**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 06 02:59:56 2010
May 06 03:15:51 <ShadowJK> kdubois, h264/mp3 works too if you tell ffmpeg to tell x264 to use the baseline profile
May 06 03:15:57 <ShadowJK> and resolution less than 800x480
May 06 03:16:33 * ShadowJK just kills mafw-gst-render (or something like that) when dsp crashes.. it seems to autospawn and fix whatever was wrong
May 06 03:35:09 <kdubois> i think its B-frames in the x264 codec that crashes it [[maybe]]
May 06 03:42:11 <kdubois> err, h.264 :P
May 06 04:05:26 <TTilus> i need guidance on usb tethering with n900 + debian lenny
May 06 04:05:58 <Stskeeps> on ubuntu it's pretty much plug and play if you select pc suite mode
May 06 04:06:38 <TTilus> oh, sounds almost too good :)
May 06 04:06:43 <TempNick> http://www.petitemarion.com/?id=1295358
May 06 04:08:36 <TTilus> who'd kick TempNick?
May 06 04:15:10 * slonopotamus just finished reading through n8x0 mbx thread. so... sounds like a community fail. we asked for drivers, we got them (though in bad shape) and... nothing happenned after that.
May 06 04:20:24 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: well, not entirely, but close
May 06 04:20:57 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: we got the drivers, they weren't actually tested on N8x0 nor did TI have any N8x0s. javispedro, me and a small band of hackers get them to a runnable state
May 06 04:21:10 <Stskeeps> but not perfect, waiting for people with more skill
May 06 04:21:36 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps: no fixes for alloc failures/memory leaks?
May 06 04:22:17 * slonopotamus doesn't have relevant skills :)
May 06 04:22:18 <Stskeeps> slonopotamus: alloc failures are mostly a problem of the kernel they're in, i think
May 06 04:22:28 <Stskeeps> well, you're more than welcome to play around them
May 06 04:22:53 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps: btw. from what i see, some have 2.6.33 running on n8x0?
May 06 04:22:58 <Stskeeps> yes
May 06 04:23:07 <Stskeeps> well, n810 to be specific
May 06 04:24:26 <slonopotamus> no charging, wifi and other funky stuff?
May 06 04:24:36 <slonopotamus> and clock, i suppose
May 06 04:26:56 <Stskeeps> why no clock?
May 06 04:27:21 <slonopotamus> dunno, just a guess. it didn't work in 2.6.27 times
May 06 04:27:34 <Stskeeps> well, that's retutime anyway :P
May 06 04:28:34 <slonopotamus> and no touchscreen?
May 06 04:28:47 <Stskeeps> tsc2005 right?
May 06 04:29:03 <Stskeeps> kernel driver was upgraded as part of n900 patches
May 06 04:29:30 <slonopotamus> right
May 06 04:34:02 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps: do you know by chance, what makes screen dim on n8x0?
May 06 04:35:23 <Termana> slonopotamus, touchscreen works fine in my kernel. As well as bluetooth and apparently with a few adjustments wifi. But there is no charging, and power management doesn't work that great. Clock works fine (?)
May 06 04:36:13 <Termana> Well actually thats a lie, it charges, BME obviously recognises it and works and it shows its charging. But I wouldn't trust it
May 06 05:27:22 <opdf2> anyone using pbxes on n900?
May 06 05:29:10 <pupnik> publix branch exchanges
May 06 05:37:09 <Bato> hello
May 06 05:41:24 <Bato> say hello
May 06 05:42:26 <pupnik> moo
May 06 05:46:28 <yanu> opdf2: i'm using plugpbx
May 06 05:46:57 <opdf2> i was talking about the sip client connected to pbxes.org
May 06 05:50:43 <misc--> hi all, I was wondering if it's possible to somehow dial a number that contains a hash at the start, for example ##002#  ?
May 06 05:51:06 <microlith> PR1.2 or you can grab the ussd-widget from extras-devel
May 06 05:53:38 <misc--> ok I did, put the widget on the desktop and it says "Click to update", which I did but then returns just "Error"
May 06 05:53:48 <misc--> ahh
May 06 05:53:53 <misc--> I see, click on the settings in it
May 06 05:55:45 <opdf2> man i wanna use ovi voice, but too bad we dont even have a proper ovi maps =(
May 06 05:56:09 <wall[e]> someone tell me to stop mypainting pls
May 06 06:00:53 <Khertan_n900> Hi !
May 06 06:01:06 <Khertan_n900> Someone know a way to calibrate accelerometers ?
May 06 06:01:46 <Khertan_n900> my 900 think is always hold on portrait orientation
May 06 06:01:53 <Khertan_n900> ~ping
May 06 06:01:55 <infobot> ~pong
May 06 06:07:04 <mece> Cheers Khertan. I saw a thread on tmo about that...
May 06 06:25:48 <RST38bis> The bill would allow a church to hire a security force or create its own by authorizing the church's board or pastor to tap parishioners who have concealed weapons permits to bring them to church.
May 06 06:26:06 <D-Iivil> X-Fade: ping?
May 06 06:26:07 <RST38bis> And good moorning to you all!
May 06 06:26:15 <D-Iivil> Oh, good morning also to everyone :)
May 06 06:27:05 <Stskeeps> morning
May 06 06:28:17 <D-Iivil> Uh.. lack of coffee and no one in the office has made some :(
May 06 06:28:32 <D-Iivil> Maybe I should sacrifice myself and do the dirty job...
May 06 06:29:41 <D-Iivil> Damn extras-testing is lagging again.. I promoted package there at 3.5.2010 and it still doesn't appear on extras-testing :/
May 06 06:35:52 <mece> hmm tmo is still flaky :/
May 06 06:37:12 <pupnik> fittingly
May 06 06:38:40 <mece> well it's flaky in a it's slow and times out 50% of the times. I was not referring to the users this time ;)
May 06 06:39:00 <mece> s/in a/in a way/
May 06 06:39:00 <infobot> mece meant: well it's flaky in a way it's slow and times out 50% of the times. I was not referring to the users this time ;)
May 06 06:39:19 <mece> s/in a way/in a way that/
May 06 06:43:49 <mece> uff
May 06 06:45:13 <cowbot> mece .. any qt programs you can point to that do it well on n900?
May 06 06:45:46 <mece> cowbot, hm.. well that weather thingamagig works pretty well.
May 06 06:46:07 <cowbot> omweather?
May 06 06:46:10 <mece> no.
May 06 06:46:12 <mece> umm
May 06 06:46:21 <mece> what was it called again..
May 06 06:46:40 <mece> Qt Weather perhaps?
May 06 06:47:14 <cowbot> qtmobiledemo-weather - Qt Mobile Demo: Weather
May 06 06:50:05 <mece> cowbot, I think there's one that's not called "demo" too.
May 06 06:50:15 <mece> qtmobile-weather
May 06 06:50:25 <mece> or I know actually :)
May 06 06:50:44 <mece> http://maemo.org/packages/view/qtmobile-weather/
May 06 06:50:53 <mece> oh yeah.. Tweego is pretty sweet too.
May 06 06:51:18 <cowbot> ty.  i wanted something that showd me how to do sound as well - trying "blubbels"
May 06 06:52:39 <mece> oh..
May 06 06:52:45 <mece> haven't used any qt apps with sound..
May 06 06:52:51 <mece> wait that's a lie. qtify has sound..
May 06 06:52:57 <mece> but it doesn't use qt for sound
May 06 06:58:44 <cowbot> "the moment you cannot put yourself through hell any more, or you don't feel like it any more, that's probably the time to call it a day."
May 06 07:07:09 <kthomas_vh> ^ reminds me of a particular company I worked at
May 06 07:08:27 <pupnik> it is about work
May 06 07:13:37 <frals> ~nuke talk.maemo.org
May 06 07:13:38 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at talk.maemo.org ... B☢☢M!
May 06 07:13:42 <Stskeeps> heh
May 06 07:17:56 <Termana> Theres a topic on tmo titled "10 ways to improve your N900 FAST"
May 06 07:18:13 <Termana> now it just needs "for a low low payment of 9.95!"
May 06 07:18:25 <Stskeeps> "10 ways to kick your TMO habit"
May 06 07:19:01 <cowbot> read the emulator threads
May 06 07:19:03 <cowbot> that'll do it
May 06 07:19:23 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 06 07:19:36 <Termana> good morning Jaffa
May 06 07:21:28 <cowbot> not a lot of IRC users in asia, apparently
May 06 07:21:49 <frals> hmm hmm
May 06 07:21:51 <X-Fade> Morning
May 06 07:21:57 <mece> craaaap. Forgot to turn on my desktop, so now I'm compiling on my old laptop-turned-server and its fn SLOW!
May 06 07:21:58 <frals> now that fmms seems stable, i wonder what i should do with my time
May 06 07:22:15 <mece> frals, you should go to disneyland
May 06 07:22:32 <frals> mece: you take care of the bill? ;)
May 06 07:22:43 <Stskeeps> frals: meego, obviously ;)
May 06 07:22:45 <mece> frals, well perhaps gröna lund :P
May 06 07:22:49 <Scelt> frals: integrate it to conversations
May 06 07:23:01 <mece> frals, yeah. mms to conversations.
May 06 07:23:13 <frals> Scelt; mece: WONTFIX :p
May 06 07:23:26 <mece> hey speaking of conversations. Is it possiblt that my conv logs are so big that it makes my n900 slow?
May 06 07:23:27 <X-Fade> frals: NOOooooo not you too ;)
May 06 07:23:42 <frals> Stskeeps: yeah, but what exactly? ;)
May 06 07:24:14 <Scelt> frals: well. you swedes skipped the world wars so why would you battle against the bad code?
May 06 07:24:24 <Termana> frals, mms support in MeeGo? :P
May 06 07:24:25 <cowbot> frals: synergy, milkytracker, chibitracker, gqview, tome, ...
May 06 07:24:47 <Stskeeps> frals: dunno, i vote for bartender
May 06 07:24:47 <Stskeeps> :P
May 06 07:25:07 <frals> Scelt: we PROFITED fromt he world wars... ;-)
May 06 07:25:13 <Scelt> mece: seems to slow down loading a specific big conversation at least
May 06 07:26:06 <Scelt> frals: I've seen the movies
May 06 07:26:10 <frals> Scelt: afaik it only loads x messages, so it shouldnt, unless you start scrolling
May 06 07:26:48 <mece> wtf. I'm compiling this game and I'm getting tons of "warning: comparison is always false due to limited range of data type"
May 06 07:26:48 <Scelt> frals: it does and not scrolling. you can type immediately but it takes few secs to load history
May 06 07:27:11 <mece> can this be caused by some differences between versions?
May 06 07:27:25 <mece> Scelt, I meant that my whole device gets slow.
May 06 07:27:43 <Scelt> mece: that's why I said "at least"
May 06 07:28:00 <mece> Scelt, righty. and there's nothing hogging the cpu. I'm thinking browser is being a dick.
May 06 07:28:09 <mece> browserd that is.
May 06 07:28:16 <frals> Stskeeps: barkeeper i can do ;D
May 06 07:28:25 <frals> s/barkeeper/bartender/
May 06 07:28:25 <infobot> frals meant: Stskeeps: bartender i can do ;D
May 06 07:29:45 <alterego> WWhat a disgrace, both my ADSL connections are down at work, so I'm having to use my phoneon a 2.5G connection to get the internet :(
May 06 07:30:28 <Scelt> frals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw3e64sosEg
May 06 07:31:34 <frals> Scelt: :D
May 06 07:32:10 <Scelt> frals: you have halfly finnish surname. carry it with honor ;D
May 06 07:33:20 <frals> downside with getting up around 08 when you have nothing to do all day is... you have nothing to do :D
May 06 07:33:41 <frals> no point even spamming for testers of fmms as i have 12/10 thumbs up
May 06 07:33:53 <frals> and if i add a new feature im just gonna hit promote again, and have to wait 10 new days :P
May 06 07:34:12 <mece> frals, ok.. well then you can tell me why my QPlainTextEdit doesn't fingerscroll by default
May 06 07:34:27 <frals> mece: because GTK is king!
May 06 07:34:28 <frals> ;D
May 06 07:34:32 <alterego> 2010-04-30 - Quim Gil: wait just few weeks for the first stable MeeGo release.
May 06 07:34:45 <alterego> The road map clearly said mid april though :P
May 06 07:34:49 <mece> frals, yeah. But I wanted to make something qt
May 06 07:35:09 <alterego> mece: which Qt version?
May 06 07:35:17 <mece> frals, because it would not make sense to name my app qlister if it was gtk now would it.
May 06 07:35:24 <alterego> mece: and I think you need to use the flickable widget, or something :P
May 06 07:35:32 <mece> alterego, community 4.6.2 through pyside2.3
May 06 07:35:33 <frals> mece: i have no clue about Qt, im meaning to get started but i need to find something fun to do while learning :)
May 06 07:35:47 <frals> mece: q/g almost looks the same anyway... ;)
May 06 07:35:57 <Wolfie> frals: you could fix the memory management for me in a java project of mine :)
May 06 07:36:02 <mece> frals, yep. I'm aiming for the future :)
May 06 07:36:07 <alterego> There's a scroll area that enables kinetic scrolling, and I think you have to stuff your widget in that.
May 06 07:36:29 <frals> Wolfie: bah, in java i let java handle memory management ;)
May 06 07:36:42 <mece> alterego, but that fucker inherits QAbstractScrollArea, so it should work out of the box imo.
May 06 07:37:01 <Wolfie> frals: that's the problem. Java either holds too tightly to my objects, or weak/soft references work too erratically :/
May 06 07:37:06 <alterego> You think an abstract scroll area has kinetics? :P
May 06 07:37:15 <alterego> mece: hang on, I'll have a little look.
May 06 07:37:19 <Scelt> frals: btw reply via sms is great! big thanks
May 06 07:37:39 <Wolfie> frals: seriously thought, gratz on fmms 1.0
May 06 07:37:40 <mece> alterego, well QListWidget scrolls kinetically automagically, and it inhertis the same stuff
May 06 07:37:46 <frals> Wolfie: ty :)
May 06 07:37:49 <Wolfie> s/thought/though/
May 06 07:37:50 <infobot> Wolfie meant: frals: seriously though, gratz on fmms 1.0
May 06 07:38:05 <alterego> mece: have you looked at the hints?
May 06 07:38:06 <frals> Scelt: yeah, ive been meaning to do it since the start but only recently learnt how to do it :)
May 06 07:38:21 <mece> alterego, no I haven't really attacked the issue yet.
May 06 07:38:28 <Wolfie> frals: oh, oh! you could help me guess when an outputstream is not going to be written to, without getting .close() or .flush() called :D
May 06 07:38:46 <mece> alterego, I just assumed it would work like QListWidget, but it didn't.
May 06 07:39:20 <alterego> mece: yeah, everything should be kinetic :)
May 06 07:39:25 <alterego> in an ideal world.
May 06 07:39:34 <frals> Wolfie: hehe, cant remember how oos works but i always flush'd when i wanted stuff written to it :p
May 06 07:40:04 <frals> Wolfie: otoh the javadocs should say that as they generally are excellent
May 06 07:40:15 <mece> frals, how does fmms recieve mms'?
May 06 07:40:25 <Wolfie> frals: yeah, you'd guess that's how it's used. But not in my case ;) makes content manipulation a bit of a hassle
May 06 07:41:09 <Wolfie> (i'm simply wrapping the OS, trying to mangle the incoming data into my liking)
May 06 07:41:34 <frals> mece: uh, its like magic! ;) it registers with wappushd to get the sms push, parses it and then goes to the content-location specified and fetches the message from there
May 06 07:41:45 <Wolfie> frals: how about API design, would that be more to your liking, then?
May 06 07:41:51 <mece> frals, so it just works?
May 06 07:42:12 <frals> mece: hopefully, yes... theres no guarantees with mms based on my experience :D
May 06 07:42:39 <frals> Wolfie: *shrug* ;)
May 06 07:43:00 <frals> i should probably finish the latest dan brown book while i still have some sparetime :)
May 06 07:43:02 <mece> ok fine, I'll install it. I tried a very early version ages ago, but couldn't get it to work then.
May 06 07:43:27 <mece> frals, dan brown? how non-cool of you!
May 06 07:43:59 <Wolfie> frals: what? prefer your own agenda over some stranger proposing weird stuff for you to do? how unconventional
May 06 07:44:04 <frals> mece: let me know if you run in to any problems... the configuration isnt that obvious unless you are on pr1.2 (judging by whats in the sdk) and your operator settings are in the database on device ;-)
May 06 07:44:11 <frals> Wolfie: :DD
May 06 07:45:00 <frals> oh god, websites who have animated favicons >_<
May 06 07:45:16 <mece> gonna disable dev and testing to get the proper consumer experience :D
May 06 07:45:57 <frals> its in testing atm, so disable that and you wont find it.. which i guess is the consumer experience atm? ;)
May 06 07:46:07 <mece> doh
May 06 07:46:14 <mece> I thought it went to extras
May 06 07:46:28 <frals> mece: nah, its stuck in quarantine for another 10 days
May 06 07:47:27 <frals> gah he9gshduio trying to find anything on tmo when ever other connection times out...
May 06 07:49:44 <Stskeeps> hmm, does packages for armel get moved into extras-devel even if the i386 part fails?
May 06 07:50:03 <asj> Stskeeps: afaik, no
May 06 07:50:09 <mece> Stskeeps, wait a few minutes and find out.
May 06 07:50:32 <alterego> vertsms is looking pretty sweet.
May 06 07:50:52 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Should not, unless there is a bug somewhere ;)
May 06 07:51:19 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: alright
May 06 07:51:28 <pupnik> X-Fade: too bad all such links got broken 'recently' svn co https://garage.maemo.org/svn/mud-builder/trunk mud-builder
May 06 07:51:40 <Stskeeps> the switch to vcs.maemo.org
May 06 07:51:41 <Stskeeps> ?
May 06 07:52:15 <pupnik> yea
May 06 07:52:38 * Stskeeps waits for bootmenu to show up in extras-devel
May 06 07:53:26 <pupnik> Stskeeps: i can has boot from microSD?
May 06 07:53:38 <Stskeeps> pupnik: possibly
May 06 07:53:45 <Stskeeps> depending on what you want to boot
May 06 07:54:01 <X-Fade> Hmm new version of ppinputmethod, but still no source.
May 06 07:57:43 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: eww
May 06 07:57:52 <timeless_mbp> i''m trying to get these two to cooperate
May 06 07:58:00 <timeless_mbp> but my 0.1-8 package wasn't proper
May 06 07:58:49 <timeless_mbp> i just pushed a new 0.1-7 which should enable me to use 0.1-8 on my 1.2 devices
May 06 07:59:02 <timeless_mbp> ideally the pair of 0.1-7 and 0.1-8 should work "properly" on 1.1.1 now
May 06 07:59:06 <timeless_mbp> (if you're using .1)
May 06 07:59:52 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: if it's really giving you the 1.2 strings instead of the 1.1.1 strings, then i'm going to need to know why
May 06 08:05:12 <alterego> So, madde can deploy to a scratchbox target?
May 06 08:05:45 <alterego> This might take a bit of tweaking t oget right mind.
May 06 08:05:55 <pupnik> n900 UK version available for 470 	
May 06 08:05:59 <pupnik> euro
May 06 08:06:06 <alterego> pupnik: where?! :)
May 06 08:06:14 <pupnik> amazon.co.uk
May 06 08:06:32 <alterego> Nice
May 06 08:06:43 <alterego> Think that's the cheapest it's been.
May 06 08:06:56 <alterego> Still, 400 quid is quite expensive.
May 06 08:07:11 <pupnik> 8 dinners in finland
May 06 08:07:19 <pupnik> :P
May 06 08:07:34 <Stskeeps> pupnik: you got hired by a finnish company or why are you suddenly in .fi btw? :P
May 06 08:08:10 <pupnik> visiting someone who happens to work at noki
May 06 08:08:14 <frals> Stskeeps: i was going to suggest he likes it there, but then i realised how stupid that sounds :D
May 06 08:09:05 <pupnik> it is a pretty pretty country.  lakes, pine trees clinging to boulders.
May 06 08:09:19 <Stskeeps> you obviously skipped winter
May 06 08:09:20 <Stskeeps> :P
May 06 08:09:34 <frals> spring and summer isnt bad when the weather is good
May 06 08:09:35 <pupnik> winter is for spending on computer anyway
May 06 08:10:27 <Gilly> winter isn't that bad either, except in the south where there is no snow (snow brightens it up)
May 06 08:11:03 <Gilly> late autumn is the worst in my opinion :)
May 06 08:13:26 <blub_> hi all. Can anyone tell me where I can find the console in scratchbox UI?
May 06 08:13:35 <MohammadAG> nice, i killed terminal
May 06 08:13:48 <MohammadAG> morning
May 06 08:14:40 <d14> o/ :)
May 06 08:17:42 <pupnik> blub_: amusing question
May 06 08:17:56 <blub_> pupnik: I don't think so
May 06 08:18:05 <Shapeshifter> I just looked into /usr/lib, is it a bad idea to move locale out of there and onto the emmc and symlink it? It's 28mb!
May 06 08:18:24 <MohammadAG> yes, a very bad idea
May 06 08:18:24 <pupnik> i usually delete locales i don't use
May 06 08:18:34 <MohammadAG> move the one from /usr/share
May 06 08:19:14 <blub_> Well when I start the GUI in scratchbox I don't see any "Terminal" icon
May 06 08:19:39 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: why? the one in /usr/share is only 13mb.
May 06 08:20:00 <MohammadAG> I wouldn't move anything out of /usr/lib
May 06 08:20:20 <MohammadAG> libraries aren't to be optified that way
May 06 08:20:52 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, microb-engine is bigger in size, but moving it borks the browser
May 06 08:21:09 <Shapeshifter> mhh.
May 06 08:21:10 <MohammadAG> don't touch /usr/lib, it's highly compressed anyways
May 06 08:30:43 <Shapeshifter> mh. I'm trying to free up space on / but I can't find an effective method of finding offenders from extras-devel. I tried find /usr/* -mtime 20 to find things older then 20 days I might have installed but theres practically nothing.
May 06 08:31:43 <MohammadAG> cd /usr/share && du -h | grep M
May 06 08:32:07 <adeus> http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space
May 06 08:33:48 <alterego> I don't get it, is an ubiimg a fiasco image?
May 06 08:34:50 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: thats just a lot of microb and maps stuff. the problem is I don't think I've got any huge things, but rather lots of small ones. how can I list package contents of packages? that way I could grep for /usr/ in its output
May 06 08:35:19 <MohammadAG> umm, nokia-maps is about 13MBs
May 06 08:36:04 <MohammadAG> alterego, it's only a rootfs image, in a FIASCO with a weird extension
May 06 08:36:40 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: 8.7 for me, yes.
May 06 08:38:07 <MohammadAG> move it then
May 06 08:38:21 <Shapeshifter> mh. any idea why find /usr/* -mtime 50 -exec du -sh '{}' \; gives an 'unrecognized' error?
May 06 08:38:31 <alterego> MohammadAG: so if I wanted to flash it on my N900, I just use the same command as the normal firmware installation?
May 06 08:38:41 <alterego> s/command/command line/
May 06 08:38:42 <infobot> alterego meant: MohammadAG: so if I wanted to flash it on my N900, I just use the same command line as the normal firmware installation?
May 06 08:38:50 <MohammadAG> alterego, yes, but it's on a bash shell
May 06 08:39:01 <MohammadAG> don't expect a UI
May 06 08:39:06 <alterego> I know :)
May 06 08:41:00 <alterego> I'm not actually going to flash it, at least, not for the moment. I plan on using the qemu nand image first.
May 06 08:41:18 <alterego> Just wanted to know for future prosperity.
May 06 08:42:10 <mece> how large are the desktop icon pictures on n900?
May 06 08:42:32 <mece> apparently bigger than 48x48
May 06 08:42:38 <frals> 64 afaik
May 06 08:42:44 <eli_> So I just reversed engineered grooveshark problem is I don't have the coding skills to implement a qt JSON system
May 06 08:42:48 <mece> ok thanks
May 06 08:43:00 <eli_> Im going to try to write a grooveshark app for the n900
May 06 08:43:17 <MohammadAG> just dump the icon in /usr/share/pixmaps and it gets resized ;)
May 06 08:57:14 <pupnik> anybody know a maemo package in extras* that does not use autotools and has a simple debian/rules?
May 06 09:04:56 <MohammadAG> pupnik, use dh_make to generate simple ones
May 06 09:05:19 <MohammadAG> #maemo seems quiet today
May 06 09:06:12 <pupnik> how aboot your quran app MohammadAG
May 06 09:06:31 <MohammadAG> use it
May 06 09:06:36 <yigal> ok I can be loquacious I'm a Jew by the way, but a quran app seems pretty cool
May 06 09:06:44 <MohammadAG> the debian/rules in it is very simple
May 06 09:06:58 <MohammadAG> :)
May 06 09:07:08 <yigal> very few dependencies?
May 06 09:08:03 <MohammadAG> python
May 06 09:08:13 <yigal> lol, cool
May 06 09:08:15 <MohammadAG> python-hildon, -osso, etc
May 06 09:08:27 <yigal> ya, good for text searching?
May 06 09:08:37 <yigal> parsing?
May 06 09:09:18 * pupnik googles maemo+scons+package
May 06 09:10:24 <yigal> 4 in a row GNOME games nothing like it
May 06 09:10:42 <amigadave> pupnik: what are you building? i would be happy to autotoolize your project, if you like
May 06 09:11:32 <pupnik> amigadave: NOTED
May 06 09:11:32 <yigal> passing a turing test, better join #philosophy
May 06 09:14:59 <Milo-> still no free doc/excel/ppt readers for n900?
May 06 09:17:16 <pupnik> i think abiword reads some .doc
May 06 09:18:30 <pupnik> amigadave: dcc
May 06 09:18:33 <asj> just port openoffice ;)
May 06 09:18:48 <alterego> Heh
May 06 09:24:56 <N900evil> openoffice is installed on rhe easyy-debian chroot
May 06 09:29:32 <Stskeeps> X-Fade: should https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/bootmenu_1.7/ have ended up in repos yet?
May 06 09:30:06 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: I see only failed builds?
May 06 09:30:10 <Stskeeps> hmm?
May 06 09:30:20 <Stskeeps> armel.build.log.OK.txt is fine
May 06 09:30:20 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-May/021146.html
May 06 09:30:22 <alterego> hungry
May 06 09:30:26 <Stskeeps> but i386 isn't
May 06 09:30:39 <X-Fade> Stskeeps: Yes, but everything has to be OK.
May 06 09:30:45 <Stskeeps> ah, fair enough - was what i asked before :)
May 06 09:31:01 <X-Fade> And that is why I said that it won't be imported ;)
May 06 09:38:27 <Khertan_> Hi all !
May 06 09:39:59 <SpeedEvil> Hi everyone except people whos nick md5sums to a sum ending in a 3.
May 06 09:40:35 <KnightStalker> lol
May 06 09:41:24 <adeus> 8
May 06 09:41:40 <DocScrutinizer51> look at that http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10019  applauncher fsckd up
May 06 09:42:21 <Khertan_> 130d281677bae49f7e71f9c4995dab05 : oh ... so Hi SpeedEvil
May 06 09:42:52 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer51: Known bug. Fixed in PR1.2 ;)
May 06 09:43:12 <DocScrutinizer51> uhuh
May 06 09:43:15 <DocScrutinizer51> lol
May 06 09:43:36 <DocScrutinizer51> reboot?
May 06 09:43:50 <X-Fade> Power button helped, I think.
May 06 09:44:08 <X-Fade> Or locking the screen.
May 06 09:44:50 <SpeedEvil> Can anyone recall if the omap5350 has a fast hashing unit of some form?
May 06 09:45:52 <DocScrutinizer51> powerbutton will help when held down 8sec :-P
May 06 09:46:41 <Khertan_> DocScrutinizer51: and not use it again
May 06 09:46:46 <SpeedEvil> 3530 even.
May 06 09:47:29 <X-Fade> SpeedEvil: sha1 or something like that?
May 06 09:47:35 * DocScrutinizer51 waves
May 06 09:47:41 <SpeedEvil> X-Fade: yes
May 06 09:48:01 <X-Fade> I seem to recall reading something about that yes.
May 06 09:48:57 <X-Fade> SpeedEvil: drivers/crypto/omap-sha1-md5.c in kernel
May 06 09:49:24 <X-Fade> SpeedEvil: At least there was a recent patch: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org/msg04318.html
May 06 09:50:05 <SpeedEvil> Thanks - I think I must have missed that
May 06 09:50:41 <X-Fade> Not sure if it is in the kernel we are using, but I guess you can find that out ;)
May 06 09:52:21 <DocScrutinizer51> blarghh. powerbutton also completely useless
May 06 09:52:34 <DocScrutinizer51> happy me has xterm
May 06 09:52:41 <Trewas> hrm, n900 has now crashed a couple of time after removing usb-cable (in mass-storage mode)... and crashed to the point that removing the battery is the only fix
May 06 09:52:47 <DocScrutinizer51> and shutdown -r now
May 06 09:57:25 <Oli```> Hi all. I fed my N900 too much extras-devel and now it won't boot (w00t! I'm an idiot!) What are my options for getting it up and running again? Is it just a full re-flash or can I go in like a ninja (somehow) and move a load of /usr/ off to opt and ln it back?
May 06 09:57:55 <pupnik> Oli```: i don't know of any ninja solutions for non-booting n900
May 06 09:57:59 <Stskeeps> well, depends on how hardcore you are with kernels and initrd
May 06 09:58:01 <Stskeeps> :P
May 06 09:59:13 <Oli```> I've been reading http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Flash but I can't find where he gets his "proprietary" flasher-3.5 binary from
May 06 09:59:18 * pupnik tries to run from Stskeeps but cannot see him
May 06 09:59:30 <viliny__> Oli```: the maemo flasher? nokia website?
May 06 10:00:07 <viliny__> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_flasher-3-5_tool_final_for_fremantle_and_diablo_released/
May 06 10:00:10 <viliny__> is that of any help?
May 06 10:00:22 <Stskeeps> tablets-dev.nokia.com
May 06 10:00:23 <Oli```> viliny__: yeah googled it and ended up here http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php
May 06 10:00:30 <viliny__> ah i see
May 06 10:00:52 <Oli```> awesome, a deb!
May 06 10:01:27 <Oli```> less awesome - only i386... let's see what a bit of --force-architecture does
May 06 10:01:38 * Oli``` bricks his PC
May 06 10:01:51 <viliny__> NOW THOSE i know how to fix ;)
May 06 10:02:43 <Oli```> awesome, that worked fine
May 06 10:07:39 <SpeedEvil> Re above crypto hash patch that x fade linked to - if anyone is mildly interested - it looks like it's very not in kernel at the moment - the patch state was - well - ripped to shreds  may be harsh - but it looks like it's not going in in that form.
May 06 10:07:55 * Oli``` wishes his phone didn't smell of elderberries
May 06 10:08:59 <SpeedEvil> better than if it was a hampster.
May 06 10:09:10 <Oli```> ;)
May 06 10:09:10 * DocScrutinizer bangs head against wall
May 06 10:09:11 <achipa> did the package importer get unborked ?
May 06 10:09:27 <DocScrutinizer> waaaaahaaaahaaahaha FFS ½³←¼²½«đjŋ߶”¶½ ŧ½
May 06 10:09:37 <DocScrutinizer> powerbutton DEAD
May 06 10:09:57 * SpeedEvil notes 'Hello - I think you may be trying to bang your head on the keyboad. Do you need any help?'
May 06 10:09:57 <DocScrutinizer> next repair
May 06 10:10:15 <SpeedEvil> oh dear.
May 06 10:10:23 <SpeedEvil> Were you maybe pressing it a bit hard?
May 06 10:10:37 <DocScrutinizer> this time defionitely NOTHING wrong I've done
May 06 10:10:48 <viliny__> how do you determine it to be dead?
May 06 10:11:04 <DocScrutinizer> press it, device doesn't come up??
May 06 10:11:07 <SpeedEvil> viliny__: It's pining for the fjords.
May 06 10:11:17 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: does it feel wierd?
May 06 10:11:19 <DocScrutinizer> or doesn't shut down, or show no menu
May 06 10:11:27 <DocScrutinizer> no, feels nice
May 06 10:11:32 <DocScrutinizer> FPC!!!
May 06 10:11:39 <SpeedEvil> battery out, wait 5 min?
May 06 10:11:41 <viliny__> SpeedEvil: going a bit python today eh?
May 06 10:11:44 <DocScrutinizer> k
May 06 10:11:57 <SpeedEvil> viliny__: There is not a day when I'm not.
May 06 10:11:59 <DocScrutinizer> done that, except the 5min part
May 06 10:12:18 * SpeedEvil walks off. (in Ministry of Silly walks style 47)
May 06 10:12:25 <DocScrutinizer> ohh SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
May 06 10:12:33 <viliny__> enough of this gay banter
May 06 10:12:42 <SpeedEvil> :/
May 06 10:12:49 <DocScrutinizer> well I can live a few weeks without powerbutton, I guess
May 06 10:12:59 <viliny__> how exactly can you live without powerbutton?
May 06 10:13:24 <SpeedEvil> viliny__: device will turn itself on if charger is plugged in IIRC.
May 06 10:13:34 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 06 10:13:38 <SpeedEvil> Oh - actually - yes it will - but only to first stage
May 06 10:13:48 <DocScrutinizer> ohnoes
May 06 10:13:49 <SpeedEvil> I don't think it will actually boot into the OS that way
May 06 10:14:08 <Stskeeps> r&d flags, force-power-key
May 06 10:14:10 <SpeedEvil> I suppose in principle you could flash a new kernel/userspace that would
May 06 10:14:11 <Oli```> yey phone boots!
May 06 10:14:20 <SpeedEvil> or that
May 06 10:14:23 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: my hero
May 06 10:14:39 <viliny__> what does that do Stskeeps ?
May 06 10:15:28 <DocScrutinizer> you think the 5 min are over?
May 06 10:15:29 <Stskeeps> viliny__: forces all boots to be like power button was held down
May 06 10:15:30 <Stskeeps> :P
May 06 10:16:40 <viliny__> Stskeeps: ah i see, my first guess was mapping power to another button :)
May 06 10:16:46 <DocScrutinizer> ohhhhh :-(((
May 06 10:17:47 <viliny__> it's been exactly 5 minutes according to my timestamps
May 06 10:18:25 <viliny__> i was going to say that you should press the powerbutton while the battery is off to discharge the phone but that would have been cruel.
May 06 10:18:40 <viliny__> And im not even sure if that works :)
May 06 10:19:42 <DocScrutinizer> og freggles. maybe it's a bad switch. It came up with much with flashy yellow charger led finally. Seems I had to press the button one side only
May 06 10:19:46 <pupnik> ok... we have perl on tablets.  so... http://www.robobunny.com/projects/asciiquarium/html/
May 06 10:20:26 <DocScrutinizer> s/much with/much short white/
May 06 10:20:26 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: og freggles. maybe it's a bad switch. It came up with much short white flashy yellow charger led finally. Seems I had to press the button one side only
May 06 10:20:53 <DocScrutinizer> Or maybe the rain?
May 06 10:22:11 <Treibholz> hmm, is there something similar to shazam on the iPhone?
May 06 10:23:57 <DocScrutinizer> definitely a wanky contact in or on switch
May 06 10:24:31 <Shapeshifter> pupnik: do you know if the Term::Animation module is packaged for maemo5?
May 06 10:25:32 <DocScrutinizer> hooray, repair shop again
May 06 10:25:41 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: :/
May 06 10:26:11 <DocScrutinizer> the bastards killed the switch while replacing the cable, it seems
May 06 10:27:54 <pupnik> Shapeshifter: i figured it isn't worth putting in my queue.  But an ascii aquarium does rule.
May 06 10:28:31 <SpeedEvil> Re above hash - it looks like it got pushed upstream for kernel acceptance 'soon' - after serious editing
May 06 10:30:08 <Shapeshifter> pupnik: mh. seems like not even ncurses for perl is packaged
May 06 10:33:07 <DocScrutinizer> good, repair shop has enough competence in house to replace the switch, rather than send the whole device to nokia for weeks another time
May 06 10:33:28 * RST38h moos moodily
May 06 10:33:43 <DocScrutinizer> they better had, otherwise I'd ask Nokia to take over their local business here
May 06 10:33:59 <DocScrutinizer> hi RST38h
May 06 10:35:36 <DocScrutinizer> I definitely should try to get a development device
May 06 10:36:20 <RST38h> HELO Doc
May 06 10:36:28 <RST38h> tmo is dead again?
May 06 10:36:56 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: ask if they have any brokenish motherboards to play with
May 06 10:36:57 <Khertan_> RST38h: not for me
May 06 10:37:09 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: do you know if the developers lend out devices are preproduction or hw is identical to the MP version?
May 06 10:37:19 <pupnik> boycott fuckin tmo unless we can ignore users
May 06 10:37:40 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: whom? repair shop?
May 06 10:37:51 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: I think it was the first production run, but I don't know for sure.
May 06 10:38:21 <achipa> X-Fade: sorry to bother, but is the package importer stuck ? abiword still hasn't shown up :)
May 06 10:38:33 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: but USB andbatcharger circuitry isn't fundamentally different on those?
May 06 10:39:09 <achipa> DocScrutinizer: it's production, but production itself has changed a few revisions since then :)
May 06 10:40:17 <Jaffa> pupnik: You mean users in general? You can ignore specific user accounts.
May 06 10:40:25 * Jaffa is coming round to the "more harsh moderation"
May 06 10:40:31 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizeryes
May 06 10:40:35 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: probably you can't help on that topic, but maybe you know somebody you could ask. See, if I try to put hostmode to work, and face issues during that due to hw is different to what the masses buy at local store, the whole enterprise is rather silly
May 06 10:41:13 <SpeedEvil> Especially if working with others with MP hw
May 06 10:41:13 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: No idea, sorry. Ask on the list?
May 06 10:41:26 <lcuk> Jaffa, public flogging?
May 06 10:41:38 <X-Fade> achipa: This one? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/abiword/2.8.1-2maemo2/
May 06 10:41:49 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: yes. Thanks for pointing me at it. Seems I need a coffee
May 06 10:42:08 <DocScrutinizer> as it should've been obvious to me
May 06 10:42:40 <achipa> X-Fade: yep. It's there on the interface, but no sign of it when I do apt-cache policy after an update
May 06 10:43:22 <X-Fade> achipa: I can download it here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/a/abiword/abiword_2.8.1-2maemo2_armel.deb
May 06 10:43:32 <achipa> X-Fade: in fact... I see a 2.8.1-2, which is supposed to be 'cleaned by repository management'. hm
May 06 10:44:52 <pupnik> Jaffa: ?  this is a new feature?  I'd /ignore whole swaths of folks.  Because i don't want to be forced to insult people online.
May 06 10:45:23 <pupnik> i might even post something useful again
May 06 10:45:45 <achipa> X-Fade: SNAFU. I'm correct, I just zgrepped packages gz from extras-devel, that package is NOT there. The cleaned up one, however, IS
May 06 10:46:14 <achipa> X-Fade: akamai magic ?
May 06 10:46:42 <X-Fade> achipa: They are both there in the repo.
May 06 10:46:52 <X-Fade> But not in the Packages file.
May 06 10:47:30 <X-Fade> Let me check what happened there. My guess is that your SNAFU with the date has something to do with it.
May 06 10:47:36 <achipa> exactly. That's what I'm saying :)
May 06 10:47:57 * achipa knew it it's going to be his fault XD
May 06 10:48:59 <achipa> though it IS the date, I'd say we need a check for it... /me ducks and heads for cover
May 06 10:49:43 <X-Fade> achipa: I wonder why apt-ftparchive doesn't add the package to Packages.
May 06 10:50:14 <Dima_Sharihin> X-Fade, it doesn't add the package in the /var/apt/archives?
May 06 10:50:33 <jacekowski> i need help
May 06 10:50:36 <X-Fade> Dima_Sharihin: huh?
May 06 10:50:49 <Dima_Sharihin> X-Fade, or what is "Packages"?
May 06 10:51:29 <jacekowski> i'm in the shop looking at earphones
May 06 10:51:33 <DocScrutinizer> anybody toss me a URL or unique search key term for google, to find the devel device lendout program page (on wiki.maemo.org?)
May 06 10:51:46 <jacekowski> and they hava skullcandy earphones with 4 pin plug
May 06 10:52:02 <jacekowski> are these compatible with N900
May 06 10:52:18 <Dima_Sharihin> jacekowski, try to plug and test =)
May 06 10:52:28 <DocScrutinizer> lol, yeah
May 06 10:52:41 <asj> jacekowski: if they are ipod compatible then I beleive the answer is no
May 06 10:52:42 <jacekowski> i would have to buy it
May 06 10:52:56 <DocScrutinizer> asj: huh? why?
May 06 10:53:23 <asj> DocScrutinizer: I've heard nokia and apple has wired the 4th connection differently
May 06 10:53:28 <asj> DocScrutinizer: never verified it
May 06 10:53:30 <Dima_Sharihin> jacekowski, you can buy 4pin-3pin adapter for nokia mobiles
May 06 10:53:32 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: try with any arbitrary MP3 player
May 06 10:54:01 <Dima_Sharihin> asj, I think, that 4pin connection isn't standart =)
May 06 10:54:13 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: the pinout is in such a way so it is compatible with standard headphones (without mic)
May 06 10:54:31 <Dima_Sharihin> DocScrutinizer, and with mic?? =)
May 06 10:54:50 <X-Fade> achipa: I'd suggest to increase the version number and not to mess up again :)
May 06 10:54:58 <DocScrutinizer> Dima_Sharihin: please try to ask more precise questions.
May 06 10:55:23 <X-Fade> achipa: I think the order of the changelog you see on the packages page is also the order packages get imported.
May 06 10:55:27 <achipa> X-Fade: :D okay
May 06 10:55:34 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: so the 4pin pinout is as standard as it gets
May 06 10:55:40 <jacekowski> didn't worked
May 06 10:55:41 <X-Fade> achipa: by the debian tools.
May 06 10:55:46 <pupnik> i really would love to make a little app to record a few tracks of audio - to jot-down song ideas
May 06 10:55:47 <asj> http://pinouts.ru/connector/4_pin_3.5mm_2.5mm_plug_connector.shtml
May 06 10:55:52 <asj> there's your answers
May 06 10:56:34 <Dima_Sharihin> If the headphone jack coincides with the 3-pin as the microphone can vary contact? (sorry, google translate)
May 06 10:57:07 <frals> how does this whole MWKN on twitter work, can i just tweet "@mwkn Apps fMMS is awesome"?
May 06 10:57:13 <jacekowski> ipod headphones get detected as tvout cable
May 06 10:57:20 * frals looks over in Jaffas general direction
May 06 10:57:34 <SpeedEvil> frals: Put that in the next fmms as a button
May 06 10:57:42 <DocScrutinizer> asj: actually the best answer is there: http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf
May 06 10:57:59 <achipa> X-Fade: you know what's super funny ? abiword_2.8.1-2_armel.deb  and abiword_2.8.1-2maemo2_i386.deb
May 06 10:58:18 <achipa> X-Fade: note how the versions are cross-linked with the arch
May 06 10:58:18 <pupnik> :D
May 06 10:58:24 <Dima_Sharihin> XD
May 06 10:59:00 <X-Fade> achipa: I know why that is, but don't feel like explaining ;)
May 06 10:59:12 <asj> DocScrutinizer: not really :|
May 06 10:59:13 <frals> achipa: im very impressed with how you seem to have broken completly, kudos!
May 06 10:59:13 <achipa> X-Fade: heh :D ok
May 06 10:59:13 <Dima_Sharihin> achipa, is there Gnumeric Spreadsheet ported on maemo?
May 06 10:59:25 <achipa> Dima_Sharihin: no idea
May 06 10:59:27 <frals> s/broken/broken stuff/
May 06 10:59:27 <infobot> frals meant: achipa: im very impressed with how you seem to have broken stuff completly, kudos!
May 06 10:59:49 <X-Fade> achipa: Next time don't mix .dsc files, mess up changelog etc ;)
May 06 10:59:52 <achipa> frals: what can I say, I'm a natural :)
May 06 11:00:01 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: N900 detects standard headsets with 3pin connector as such, afaik. That means the pinout for a headset is compatble with the pinout for a 3pin standard headphones, except the lowest additional ring is MIC/TV-CVBS-out
May 06 11:00:05 <achipa> X-Fade: pffft, but where's the fun then ? XD
May 06 11:00:25 * achipa wonders if he's a hidden QA talent
May 06 11:00:55 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: like <L|R|M|gnd***********
May 06 11:00:56 <Dima_Sharihin> DocScrutinizer, http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-Nokia/nokia_headset_pinout.shtml <- really?
May 06 11:01:33 <Dima_Sharihin> oh, sorry. This was 2.5mm connector
May 06 11:01:45 <DocScrutinizer> Dima_Sharihin: I won't go check arbitrary random websites for you
May 06 11:02:11 * achipa is off to try to break^H^H^H^H upload to extras-devel again
May 06 11:03:08 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: while <L|R|-gnd-*********** is a standard 3.5mm headset plug
May 06 11:03:15 <DocScrutinizer> err headphones
May 06 11:03:50 <DocScrutinizer> it's just missing the 3rd ring, next to base/sleeve/ground
May 06 11:05:44 <achipa> Jaffa: hey, didn't know you were against karma lately ?
May 06 11:17:34 <lcuk> lardman, \@
May 06 11:20:43 <alterego> wtf is this kernel image so fucking big ..
May 06 11:21:36 <mece> it's not the size that matters, it's how you use it!
May 06 11:22:02 <Jaffa> achipa: I'm not against karma. Why does everyone keep saying that? (Just got an email suggesting I was)
May 06 11:22:18 <achipa> Jaffa: that's what I was referring to :)
May 06 11:23:49 <Jaffa> achipa: I'm just trying to be impartial in the discussion about MeeGo karma (my requirement is that people I think should be recognised get recognised ;-))
May 06 11:23:56 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: check http://wiki.maemo.org/Fcron!
May 06 11:29:05 <mece> or http://wiki.maemo.org/Fcron
May 06 11:29:27 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: yeah I've seen it, been around for a while. good stuff.
May 06 11:29:42 <mece> yeah Jaffa, quit being against Karma!
May 06 11:29:50 * mece is joking.
May 06 11:30:47 <achipa> Jaffa: I have the feeling the baby is going to be thrown out with the bathwater here. I don't care what people want to call it, top list, karma, whatever, but agree that the goal is to make it point out relevant people without getting a buddy-o-cracy or pop-contests
May 06 11:30:52 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: there's incorrect statements about alarmed in there
May 06 11:31:10 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: yeah. I'm correcting it right now
May 06 11:31:19 <DocScrutinizer> good :-)
May 06 11:31:25 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: I don't get the part about "not able to set any time"
May 06 11:31:34 <DocScrutinizer> me neither
May 06 11:31:39 <Shapeshifter> I'll just remove it...
May 06 11:31:44 <DocScrutinizer> that's why I put it in italic
May 06 11:32:19 <DocScrutinizer> also it's not quite clear if fcron actually boots the device, via RTC alarm
May 06 11:32:34 <DocScrutinizer> which clearly is a big advantage of alarmed
May 06 11:33:28 <DocScrutinizer> well, just meant to make sure you're aware of it
May 06 11:33:47 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: I never tested if alarmed events do boot the n900, though I strongly suspect it does. Also, I think you can't even turn it off atm. I looked into in once, and iirc the pymaemo bindings are missing the bit to disable the auto-boot thing and bahaviour on missing an event.
May 06 11:34:15 <Shapeshifter> imo an advantage of alarmed is that it uses alrmd as the daemon and doesn't need another daemon running..
May 06 11:34:30 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 06 11:34:40 <Shapeshifter> I think I need to write a wiki page for Alarmed some day.
May 06 11:34:52 <DocScrutinizer> exactly. and that's why I doubt fcron actually does boot
May 06 11:35:24 <Shapeshifter> yep
May 06 11:35:48 <DocScrutinizer> I'd suggest a merge, but... up to you devels
May 06 11:36:52 <DocScrutinizer> (merge) i.e fcron adopts your alarmd managing, and your alarmed uses fcron instead of alarmd directly
May 06 11:37:53 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: I think fcron is an okay alternative to alarmed for people who don't want the python/pyside dependencies (atm even libboost but not for long) and don't need such a rich feature set.
May 06 11:37:59 <Shapeshifter> choice is good ;)
May 06 11:45:12 <th3hate> Can anyone confirm whats writen here?
May 06 11:45:18 <th3hate> http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.maemo.ch/nokia-dev-congress-zurich/1407&sl=de&tl=en
May 06 11:46:11 <TomaszD> interesting
May 06 11:46:24 <TomaszD> as with any software release though, I'll believe it when I see it
May 06 11:46:42 <th3hate> +1
May 06 11:47:01 <th3hate> just wondering if he's a real nokia dev
May 06 11:47:31 <TomaszD> I'm going to go out on a limb and say hell no
May 06 11:47:40 <TomaszD> but we'll see
May 06 11:50:01 <Khertan_> oh t.m.o update ?
May 06 11:50:55 <timeless> me sighs
May 06 11:51:14 * timeless took another excursion yo yhe nokia store
May 06 11:51:24 * timeless sighs
May 06 11:52:00 <timeless> one of the notebooks was in "flight" mode
May 06 11:52:12 <timeless> and none of the staff new how to get it out
May 06 11:53:03 <tekojo> timeless: did you?
May 06 11:53:07 <lcuk> timeless, they have nokia stores on airplanes now? :D
May 06 11:55:10 <timeless> no
May 06 11:55:10 <timeless> but i'm not paid to know :)
May 06 11:55:37 <timeless> do you know how useful the nokia laptops are at the store w/o wifi/bt?
May 06 11:55:56 <timeless> everyone i saw trying to use it tried to use IE
May 06 11:56:02 <timeless> which didn't work...
May 06 11:56:16 * timeless was trying to use BT
May 06 11:57:04 <Nitial> I'm jealous that t.m.o gets more software updates than my n900
May 06 11:57:05 <timeless> hrm, clearly touch typing w/ the n900 isn'y error free
May 06 11:57:17 * timeless keeps missing the 't' key
May 06 11:57:50 <Termana> timeless, purpose misspelling there? (on isn't)
May 06 11:57:51 <Termana> :P
May 06 11:57:58 <timeless> nope
May 06 11:58:07 <timeless> merily coincident
May 06 12:01:46 <Netrum> Hi all. whats new in the maemo universe today? :)
May 06 12:02:31 <Shapeshifter> Netrum: maemo is now called meamo
May 06 12:02:39 <Dima_Sharihin> O_o
May 06 12:02:59 <Netrum> imagine if they actually did that :P
May 06 12:04:01 <Shapeshifter> nobody would notice
May 06 12:04:12 <Netrum> yea probably :)
May 06 12:05:18 <Netrum> anyone here had any success running joikuspot on the n900 ? stability and such
May 06 12:08:08 <Jaffa> achipa: Good point - I'd thought about that "positions" comment but didn't want to appear to strengthen whatever position I'm supposed to have.
May 06 12:08:31 <Stskeeps> well, project wise it will be easy to see who's in what teams and such at least
May 06 12:08:39 <Stskeeps> as it's a meritocracy
May 06 12:08:48 <Stskeeps> (ie, in a meego context)
May 06 12:09:04 <cehteh> maego :)
May 06 12:09:45 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: I bet the vast majority of the community won't be in any specific "team"
May 06 12:09:54 * Jaffa should've brought this up on #meego
May 06 12:10:12 * Jaffa does so :)
May 06 12:11:23 * achipa thanks and braces for impact/fallout :)
May 06 12:11:45 <Dima202> netrum, I am running mobile hotspot with great success
May 06 12:16:20 <MohammadAG_> ~seen noobmonk3y
May 06 12:16:21 <infobot> noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@host86-178-50-44.range86-178.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 15h 7m 48s ago, saying: 'not allways a bad thing :P'.
May 06 12:18:26 <BCMM_> can i get a C compiler on my n900?
May 06 12:19:32 <lcuk> yes
May 06 12:19:53 <lcuk> add sdk/tools repositories and install build-essential to get your compiler goodness
May 06 12:19:58 <lcuk> includes support for make too :)
May 06 12:20:48 <Gilly> On a related note, is there haskell compiler for n900? :P
May 06 12:21:31 <adeus> I thik so
May 06 12:21:33 <adeus> +n
May 06 12:23:11 <BCMM_> is there a list of official catalogues?
May 06 12:23:23 <BCMM_> and how does one add sdk/tools?
May 06 12:25:29 <Gilly> adeus: hmm, ported ghc or something else?
May 06 12:25:47 <crashanddie> BCMM_: don't add sdk/tools to your n900
May 06 12:26:02 <crashanddie> BCMM_: sdk/tools should only be used inside the scratchbox environment
May 06 12:26:21 <Dima202> Hey I just read a threat about some guy qole reporting from an imaginary inside soruce flash 10 will not be coming to n900
May 06 12:26:27 <Dima202> thread*
May 06 12:26:33 <crashanddie> lcuk: we really should package build-essential into extras
May 06 12:26:54 <crashanddie> Dima202: qole is usually quite accurate
May 06 12:26:56 <lcuk> nahh but it needs to be optified
May 06 12:27:07 <lcuk> and find a decent mechanism to allow dpkg-buildpackage too ;)
May 06 12:27:26 <Jaffa> Dima202: How do you know the source is imaginary? And qole's not just "some guy", y'know :-)
May 06 12:27:27 <Dima202> crashanddie, but i've seen flash 10 work on fremantle it was demoed not too long ago
May 06 12:28:00 <Termana> DEMOed doesn't mean it will be RELEASED
May 06 12:28:35 <Dima202> fucking nokia, bunch of wankers
May 06 12:28:48 <MohammadAG_> grrr
May 06 12:29:16 <Termana> Dima202, I'
May 06 12:29:22 <Termana> I'll be sure to pass on the message
May 06 12:29:28 <Termana> Now, GTFO :)
May 06 12:29:41 <Termana> Please.
May 06 12:30:58 <viliny__> why wouldn't flash 10 come to the n900 anyway?
May 06 12:31:06 <viliny__> is there any reason why it wouldn't?
May 06 12:31:17 <lcuk> Dima202, theres no need to be so abusive
May 06 12:31:17 <crashanddie> Dima202: Nokia has most likely not much to do with Flash 10 not coming to it
May 06 12:32:42 <Dima202> I see Adobe did their part just fine from the demonstration. I'm guessing Nokia thinks it might hurt profits for the latest and greatest future release
May 06 12:32:58 <DocScrutinizer> (([2010-05-06 12:33:07] <DocScrutinizer> good, repair shop has enough competence in house to replace the switch, rather than send the whole device to nokia for weeks another time)) Muhahaha, as the device was sent in to Nokia last time (3weeks ago), they can't fix it themselves, they need to send in again, as Nokia has to fix their fix - OMG
May 06 12:33:08 <crashanddie> Dima202: my intuition would be that Adobe scrapped the ARM development team for a while because of the iPhone news, which also included the n900 devs
May 06 12:34:23 <DocScrutinizer> fsckng buerocrat idiots
May 06 12:34:28 <crashanddie> Dima202: I don't see in what deranged world you live to think that Flash 10 could hurt their sales performances in a significant way, quite the contrary even
May 06 12:35:02 <Jaffa> Dima202: As crashanddie says, it's difficult to imagine why Nokia wouldn't want to be getting the press that Android is getting.
May 06 12:35:25 <DocScrutinizer> alternatively I can pay for the repair myself, a minimum of 70EUR, *to resolder a pad!!*
May 06 12:35:35 <Dima202> Android is coming out with 9 or 10?
May 06 12:35:38 <Jaffa> Dima202: There's a long way from a tech demo on an N900 to a supportable release. And, as I heard it, Adobe are concentrating on the Android release first.
May 06 12:37:03 * satmd does not want flash
May 06 12:37:10 <satmd> I love n900 for allowing me to disable it
May 06 12:37:16 <aquatix> Dima202: 10
May 06 12:37:17 <Dima202> heh
May 06 12:37:25 <Dima202> I guess I over reacted, sorry
May 06 12:37:39 <shamus> flash is over rated
May 06 12:37:41 <DocScrutinizer> or I resolder myself and void my waranty
May 06 12:37:53 <satmd> flash is a risk to privacy
May 06 12:37:59 <satmd> and to security too
May 06 12:38:00 <aquatix> shamus: absolutely overrated
May 06 12:38:08 <aquatix> too bad there's still too much out there using it
May 06 12:38:14 <Termana> satmd, Steve Jobs - I didn't notice you there!
May 06 12:38:21 <shamus> and flash kills batteries faster then you can say feed me in hungry
May 06 12:38:21 <aquatix> ghehe
May 06 12:38:24 <satmd> then again, java is too
May 06 12:38:43 <lcuk> i am in 2 minds about flash
May 06 12:38:51 <aquatix> lcuk: me too
May 06 12:38:54 <lcuk> on the one hand, it lets me see playboy yoga
May 06 12:38:55 <satmd> if I were steve, I'd hate my own company - that'd be awkward
May 06 12:39:00 <aquatix> just had the discussion at work :)
May 06 12:39:08 <lcuk> on the other theres multiple flash advertisements on the same page slowing the experience
May 06 12:39:12 <crashanddie> satmd: I agree with you about flash, also agree with the fact java isn't necessarily the best for mobile devices
May 06 12:39:14 <lcuk> so i want default click to view
May 06 12:39:45 <DocScrutinizer> slowing is a polite word
May 06 12:39:52 <crashanddie> lcuk: flashblock has made my life on laptop so much more enjoyable
May 06 12:40:14 <lcuk> bah - as a flashblock guy myself (first OSS project i helped out with)
May 06 12:40:19 <lcuk> i know its limitations
May 06 12:40:26 <Dima202> hmm, what about adblock?
May 06 12:40:29 <lcuk> and think that parsing the DOM to disable already activated flash
May 06 12:40:32 <lcuk> to be the wrong way
May 06 12:40:40 <lcuk> Dima202, i dont mind ads in principle
May 06 12:40:53 <lcuk> website operators have a right to get some cash afterall
May 06 12:40:57 <crashanddie> lcuk: seriously, it's just amazing to see all the websites where there are 1px by 1px to track your time on the site, which part you look at, etc
May 06 12:41:01 <DocScrutinizer> "click to start plugin" - ftw
May 06 12:41:12 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: aye
May 06 12:41:17 <lcuk> the best way to get click to play would be a binary shim
May 06 12:41:20 <lcuk> that acted like flash
May 06 12:41:30 <lcuk> and worked natively and quickly
May 06 12:41:35 <lcuk> and just forwarded everything through
May 06 12:41:38 <lcuk> once you click
May 06 12:42:01 <DocScrutinizer> isn't it implemented like that?
May 06 12:42:07 <lcuk> no
May 06 12:42:09 <crashanddie> on safari it is
May 06 12:42:11 <lcuk> it scans the DOM after loading
May 06 12:42:15 <lcuk> and replaces the elements
May 06 12:42:17 <DocScrutinizer> OMFG
May 06 12:42:29 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: A binary shim - which meant that if flash crashed - it would just stall flash
May 06 12:42:32 <lcuk> its a js thing
May 06 12:42:43 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, flash itself is a binary plugin
May 06 12:42:50 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: I know
May 06 12:42:54 <lcuk> so when an element has <object ...> its loaded
May 06 12:43:04 <crashanddie> because safari spawns its own processes for each plugin, whether it's flash, java, or whatever
May 06 12:43:07 <lcuk> just replace that plugin with another
May 06 12:43:09 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: But if you had a shim, the flash process may run under a different process
May 06 12:43:09 <alterego> Anyone used Nokia's qemu n900 emulation? I just booted the meego nand image :)
May 06 12:43:12 <alterego> It's awesome.
May 06 12:43:20 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, potentially but i wouldnt expect that
May 06 12:43:25 <lcuk> its reengineering severly
May 06 12:43:52 <alterego> Slightly annoyed that it emulates the N900 keyboard, so I have to memorise the blue symbols and use ALT a lot :(
May 06 12:44:39 * lcuk is mentioned on the flashblock credits page (claim to fame:D) http://flashblock.mozdev.org/credits.html
May 06 12:45:03 <SpeedEvil> alterego: tippex
May 06 12:45:10 * DocScrutinizer mumbles nonprintable swearwords about Korean solder quality and wrestlers untrained for sensible work at Nokia repair shop, and heads out into the friggin rain
May 06 12:45:25 <SpeedEvil> My claim to fame is I'm mentioned on a flash patent.
May 06 12:45:26 <SpeedEvil> err
May 06 12:45:29 <SpeedEvil> flashlight patent
May 06 12:45:36 <lcuk> fleshlight?
May 06 12:45:40 <SpeedEvil> no.
May 06 12:45:50 <haltdef_> read that as fleshlight patient
May 06 12:45:52 <lcuk> cool beans
May 06 12:45:53 <SpeedEvil> Though I have read the fleshlight patent
May 06 12:45:53 * haltdef_ gets eyes checked
May 06 12:46:13 <SpeedEvil> (I wanted to know how they make stretchy rubber)
May 06 12:46:18 * lcuk grabs dinner thats binged
May 06 12:46:22 <Dima202> lol wtf
May 06 12:46:34 <viliny__> how do they make stretchy rubber?
May 06 12:47:03 <SpeedEvil> Viliny: It's a copolymer with a substansial gel component. IIRC
May 06 12:47:15 <viliny__> ah, so a wizard did it.
May 06 12:47:52 <Dima202> damn, i've been paying for the real thing, could have just gotten unlimited for $65
May 06 12:47:54 <lcuk> MohammadAG_, hows your hacking going?
May 06 12:48:24 <DocScrutinizer> hmmpf, mentioned on a patent... Same here, for GSDC's XMLMaker
May 06 12:48:48 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, just hit a brick wall :P
May 06 12:49:05 <lcuk> a shiny pulsing brickwall?
May 06 12:49:08 <DocScrutinizer> won't buy me candybars
May 06 12:49:24 <crashanddie> MohammadAG_: what you hacking?
May 06 12:49:27 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, I got it working for the arrow keys, the rest, nope
May 06 12:49:31 <MohammadAG_> crashanddie, sec
May 06 12:49:50 <lcuk> MohammadAG_, thats a shame, will manage it - need to get it working with hotkeys to be really effective
May 06 12:50:08 <lcuk> MohammadAG_, should i show him the pastebin i put up last night
May 06 12:51:56 <MohammadAG_> crashanddie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3pvdFpA1II
May 06 12:52:05 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, show him the script if he wants to do it :)
May 06 12:52:32 <crashanddie> MohammadAG_: excellent
May 06 12:52:35 <lcuk> genius :D you youtubed it
May 06 12:52:51 <crashanddie> MohammadAG_: bonus points if you can link that to a phone profile, which would do that when in silent mode
May 06 12:52:52 <MohammadAG_> lol
May 06 12:53:00 <lcuk> crashanddie, wanting to make closest led light up on keypress
May 06 12:53:02 <BCMM_> crashanddie: so is there a proper way to install GCC on an n900?
May 06 12:53:13 <lcuk> BCMM_, look at scrollback i answered you
May 06 12:53:15 <crashanddie> BCMM_: at the moment only as lcuk said
May 06 12:53:40 <MohammadAG_> <crashanddie> MohammadAG_: bonus points if you can link that to a phone profile, which would do that when in silent mode
May 06 12:53:41 <BCMM_> sorry lcuk
May 06 12:53:48 <MohammadAG_> great idea!
May 06 12:53:56 <MohammadAG_> might start on it once I finish lcuk's
May 06 12:54:12 <lcuk> crashanddie, he also considered it for a throbber when busy processes
May 06 12:54:31 <BCMM_> lcuk, crashanddie: why shouldn't i install that on an n900?
May 06 12:54:33 <crashanddie> how about using it to show the progress of an installation?
May 06 12:54:51 <crashanddie> BCMM_: install sdk/tools repository, google for it. Though please be careful, and only use apt-get to install to install build-essential and then remove the repository as to not mess up your package manager
May 06 12:54:53 <MohammadAG_> <MohammadAG_> Might be cool if apps use the knight rider thing as a loading
May 06 12:54:55 <MohammadAG_> * MohammadAG_ is thinking healthcheck :P
May 06 12:55:26 <MohammadAG_> Need to audio swap that vid, apparently mute is static lol
May 06 12:55:27 <crashanddie> MohammadAG_: yeah, but also the progress indicator... every percent increments one button
May 06 12:55:43 <MohammadAG_> hmm, might not work if mce is running
May 06 12:55:54 <crashanddie> hey, you're the dev, I'm just the ideas guy
May 06 12:55:57 <MohammadAG_> kill mce and it'll work immediately
May 06 12:55:59 <MohammadAG_> LOL
May 06 12:56:08 <crashanddie> don't tell me "might not work because of x", just do it :P
May 06 12:56:19 <BCMM_> crashanddie: what happens otherwise? conflicting dev versions of things?
May 06 12:56:36 <MohammadAG_> crashanddie, and the QA testing team? :)
May 06 12:56:55 <Arkenoi> retweet pingbacks as blog comments suck big time. why the f should i read a list of people who read the same and retweeted?
May 06 12:57:22 <alterego> tweeter feedback? :)
May 06 12:58:03 <Arkenoi> twitter sucks, too
May 06 12:58:21 <Arkenoi> but at least i am not forced to read it
May 06 13:22:05 <alterego> Anyone have an idea of how I could make a complete image of the nand flash in the N900?
May 06 13:26:52 <alterego> Don't even need to, I can generate it from a fiasco image :D
May 06 13:31:00 <DrGrov> Good day to you all!
May 06 14:13:56 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
May 06 14:13:56 <infobot> :), DocScrutinizer
May 06 14:40:58 <SmokeyD> hey everyone. Can I get a proper bash shell on my maemo device with the same versions of commandline tools (du and others) as I have on my normal ubuntu box
May 06 14:41:19 <SmokeyD> I noticed that du at least is different from others and there are no man pages either in the normal terminal
May 06 14:43:05 <BCMM_> smokey: there is a package for bash and one for coreutils
May 06 14:43:21 <SmokeyD> BCMM_: ok, I will check it out
May 06 14:43:24 <SmokeyD> thanks
May 06 14:43:27 <BCMM_> also, several for other little things like less
May 06 14:43:43 <BCMM_> there is some stuff with paths
May 06 14:44:06 <javispedro> afternoon gentleman
May 06 14:44:18 <BCMM_> coreutils does not install in the default $PATH to avoid some kind oof conflict
May 06 14:44:28 <BCMM_> after
May 06 14:44:31 <BCMM_> noon
May 06 14:54:56 <SmokeyD> BCMM_: it indeed was the PATH setting. I just added /opt/maemo/usr/bin/gnu/ to my PATH and now I get the normal commands again.
May 06 14:54:58 <SmokeyD> thanks
May 06 14:59:46 <Stskeeps> morning afb
May 06 15:00:33 <andrewfblack> Stskeeps: Morning
May 06 15:01:24 <andrewfblack> Anything interesting going on?
May 06 15:02:05 <alterego> teeheehee
May 06 15:02:13 <SmokeyD> andrewfblack: Yeah, I have a nokia N900, that is really very interesing
May 06 15:02:16 <alterego> I managed to get PR1.2L to boot in qemu :D
May 06 15:02:18 <SmokeyD> at least for me
May 06 15:02:22 <SmokeyD> :)
May 06 15:02:39 <SmokeyD> too interesting actually because I should be working instead of playing around with my phone :)
May 06 15:02:39 <BCMM_> andrewfblack: first 3-way UK election in a while...
May 06 15:02:54 <alterego> I had to rip out the boot loader from the meego nand image.
May 06 15:03:01 <BCMM_> what is PR1.2L?
May 06 15:03:34 <alterego> Vapourware
May 06 15:03:52 <|R> Leak
May 06 15:04:07 <SmokeyD> hmm, will I run into trouble installing the SDK on x86_64?
May 06 15:04:20 <alterego> SmokeyD: what SDK?
May 06 15:04:28 <SmokeyD> maemo 5.0 SDK
May 06 15:04:29 <alterego> SmokeyD: scratchbox? Or the Nokia Qt SDK?
May 06 15:04:43 <alterego> Probably, I use a 32bit VM
May 06 15:04:55 <alterego> People have done it, but I think there are some complications.
May 06 15:05:04 <alterego> I can't remember off hand if I've done it in the past.
May 06 15:05:04 <SmokeyD> ok
May 06 15:05:32 <SmokeyD> then I'll fetch another VM :)
May 06 15:05:37 <SmokeyD> thanks
May 06 15:05:59 <alterego> np
May 06 15:12:50 <ZogG> SmokeyD i can't succeeded
May 06 15:17:21 <ZogG> hey
May 06 15:17:25 <ZogG> sup folks
May 06 15:29:23 * andrewfblack hides in corner and plays with Backflip
May 06 15:30:04 <Jaffa> andrewfblack: "Backflip"?
May 06 15:30:25 <andrewfblack> Jaffa: Yeah
May 06 15:30:50 <Jaffa> andrewfblack: ...
May 06 15:31:06 <andrewfblack> Jaffa: Moto Backflip
May 06 15:31:14 <BCMM> isn't that a phone?
May 06 15:31:22 <andrewfblack> BCMM: Yes
May 06 15:31:47 * BCMM google
May 06 15:31:50 <BCMM> oh, an android one
May 06 15:32:26 <andrewfblack> BCMM: Yeah I sold out to android : )
May 06 15:34:52 <Jaffa> andrewfblack: Ah, I see.
May 06 15:36:50 * slonopotamus tried to commit a file to svn repo and suddenly discovered that it was locked by someone since feb 2008 o_O
May 06 15:37:03 <Dassu> O_o
May 06 16:03:40 <zokier> ... and thats why we dont use svn
May 06 16:03:59 <Dima_Sharihin> zokier, who dont use svn?
May 06 16:08:33 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; sent you a new e-mail with the results after the latest update
May 06 16:09:26 <BCMM> i am somewhat confused about Ovi Store - does it contain a mix of maemo and symbian apps or something? it says this is not for the n900 http://store.ovi.com/content/34132
May 06 16:12:41 <Jaffa> BCMM: If you navigate to it from an N900 you should only see N900 content. However, the multimedia stuff isn't compatible despite being sold.
May 06 16:14:12 <Mace_N900> whoa
May 06 16:14:18 <Mace_N900> hexen 2!
May 06 16:14:23 <Mace_N900> classic :)
May 06 16:16:41 <Mace_N900> i wonder if i have an old q3 cd lying around
May 06 16:18:18 <Mace_N900> openarena?
May 06 16:18:43 <Mace_N900> im running on half a battery now so i will have fun with this later on
May 06 16:18:46 <Mace_N900> thanks
May 06 16:19:53 <lbt>  so, I want a normal cheap-ish household scanner. I'd like to buy one from a mfg that 'supports' linux. Any suggestions? #sane is dead and the website tells me what's supported but it seems full of non-free drivers...
May 06 16:20:30 <Dima_Sharihin> lbt, I'm sorry, offtop?
May 06 16:20:40 <lbt> only a lot :)
May 06 16:21:06 <lbt> but since when is #maemo ever on topic ...
May 06 16:21:26 <VDVsx> ~poke lbt
May 06 16:21:27 * infobot cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind lbt, pokes lbt repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
May 06 16:21:57 <lbt> heh... anyway, we'll get meego support for it and backport it to maemo6 (which is meego)
May 06 16:22:34 <VDVsx> lbt, HP print/scanners work well on Linux, so far I don't have any complain
May 06 16:22:54 <VDVsx> but I would say that the major brands will work
May 06 16:23:18 <VDVsx> otherwise you can write the drivers :D
May 06 16:23:18 <Trizt> I have a Mustect USB scanner, been happy with it
May 06 16:23:42 <Trizt> s/Mustect/Mustech/
May 06 16:23:42 <infobot> Trizt meant: I have a Mustech USB scanner, been happy with it
May 06 16:23:58 <lbt> VDVsx: ta... do you know id that's a GPL(ish) driver or a binary?
May 06 16:24:11 <lbt> Trizt: same question :)
May 06 16:24:42 <VDVsx> lbt, not sure, but since it works out of the box in debian, should be GPL,
May 06 16:24:54 <lbt> yeah, that's good enough :)
May 06 16:25:57 <VDVsx> there's some standards for these kind of devices, but as usual nobody cares :D
May 06 16:26:06 * Dima_Sharihin have Acer ScanPrisa 340P... was made in 2000, Linux support missing =((
May 06 16:26:12 <Trizt> think all the drivers in sane are gpl, as far as I seen
May 06 16:27:17 <mikki-kun> hm... is there actually a way to put several hdds on the sata-interface of a notebook
May 06 16:27:56 <Trizt> unplug sata-dvd and plug the other hard drive there
May 06 16:28:41 <mikki-kun> tritz sata-dvd?
May 06 16:29:08 <Trizt> or if you paid a lot you may have a sata-br
May 06 16:29:09 <mikki-kun> is the dvd drive on a sata-interface?
May 06 16:29:45 <Trizt> mikki-kun; depends on the laptop you bought, crap from HP, no, something from sony maybe
May 06 16:30:06 <mikki-kun> cause i'd have a spare 3.5" 1.5TB here which i'd like to use
May 06 16:30:33 <mikki-kun> Trizt: it would be a dell d620
May 06 16:31:16 <Trizt> think it's an ide
May 06 16:31:30 <Err0r> !
May 06 16:31:36 <kokosz> 1.2 here yet?
May 06 16:31:45 <Trizt> ~pr1.2
May 06 16:31:46 <infobot> i heard pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.
May 06 16:32:01 <Dima_Sharihin> ~help
May 06 16:32:58 <kokosz> help- the colours are too dark on my N900 in xchat.,
May 06 16:33:07 <kokosz> cant see damn thing
May 06 16:33:10 <RST38h> change them then
May 06 16:33:21 <kokosz> how? it dont work
May 06 16:33:33 <ZogG> doesn't*
May 06 16:33:52 <ZogG> kokosz, doesn't work what?
May 06 16:34:00 <ZogG> are you on desctop or n900?
May 06 16:34:13 <kokosz> changing colors in xchat on N900 dont work
May 06 16:34:26 <kokosz> cant see damn thing
May 06 16:34:29 <ZogG> hahaha
May 06 16:34:47 <ZogG> kokosz it's pretty fine be default actually
May 06 16:34:54 <ZogG> where did you try to change?
May 06 16:34:58 <RST38h> changing colors works for me.
May 06 16:34:59 <ZogG> ~pr1.2
May 06 16:35:00 <infobot> i guess pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.
May 06 16:35:04 <ZogG> lol =)
May 06 16:35:07 <kokosz> no....when i write its all black
May 06 16:35:11 <d14> "D
May 06 16:35:22 <Dima_Sharihin> kokosz, open Settings->Colors
May 06 16:35:25 <kokosz> how do i change my own colors?
May 06 16:35:37 <Dima_Sharihin> In desktop version colors are configurable
May 06 16:35:43 <kokosz> i did but dont see options for own color
May 06 16:36:21 <kokosz> you peeps using xchat on n900 or sumething else?
May 06 16:36:21 <Dima_Sharihin> but don't usethese silly features
May 06 16:36:36 <sECuRE> kokosz: irssi
May 06 16:37:03 <kokosz> irssi...ok
May 06 16:37:59 <marmoute> irssi++ (in a screen on a stable server
May 06 16:38:57 <SpeedEvil> kokosz: I like xchat
May 06 16:39:04 <Shapeshifter> I use irsii on screen on a server
May 06 16:40:45 <kokosz> i like xchat too but cant change damn colors and cant see damn thing i write
May 06 16:41:05 <Dima_Sharihin> kokosz, don't see what you typing :D
May 06 16:41:33 <SpeedEvil> kokosz: You don't have a black text on white display?
May 06 16:41:39 <kokosz> no
May 06 16:41:39 <mikki-kun> hm, i would love to get the perl-extensions for irssi working ;/
May 06 16:41:53 <SpeedEvil> http://qkwv.com/xchat.png
May 06 16:41:56 <SpeedEvil> like that?
May 06 16:41:57 <tybollt> ~ask
May 06 16:41:58 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
May 06 16:42:04 <SpeedEvil> kokosz: Do you have the default theme installed?
May 06 16:42:11 <kokosz> yes
May 06 16:42:20 <kokosz> default theme
May 06 16:42:28 * SpeedEvil has no clue what's wrong.
May 06 16:42:50 <Dima_Sharihin> kokosz, did you change default colors in xchat?
May 06 16:42:56 <kokosz> im using xchat on N900 and the colors are hard to read
May 06 16:42:57 <ZogG> screenshot pls
May 06 16:43:53 <ZogG_N900> it's fine for me
May 06 16:45:21 <Dima_Sharihin> http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1705/47734165.png || mine xchat is fine too :D
May 06 16:45:28 <kokosz> so you peeps using xchat on n900 dont find the colors dark?
May 06 16:45:39 <SpeedEvil> kokosz: See above
May 06 16:46:16 <ZogG> kokosz, http://yfrog.com/jc85op
May 06 16:46:41 <kokosz> speedevil - but i'm using N900
May 06 16:46:54 <SpeedEvil> kokosz: See the above image I posted
May 06 16:46:59 <SpeedEvil> kokosz: that's from n900
May 06 16:47:01 <SpeedEvil> (resized)
May 06 16:47:47 <lcuk> kokosz, i agree some of the colorchoices are suspect
May 06 16:48:00 <Dima_Sharihin> low battery (=
May 06 16:48:08 <lcuk> infact the font has even changed on this latest update
May 06 16:48:21 <lcuk> i cant read blue on black nicknames
May 06 16:48:29 <kokosz> speedevil yes!!!!! how did you get it like that???
May 06 16:48:38 <SpeedEvil> kokosz: I forgot.
May 06 16:48:50 <SpeedEvil> kokosz: I beat the config files with a hammer, I think.
May 06 16:48:52 <SpeedEvil> hangon
May 06 16:49:01 <kokosz> man!!! that's what i need
May 06 16:49:17 <MohammadAG_> <SpeedEvil> http://qkwv.com/xchat.png
May 06 16:49:22 <MohammadAG_> that's so.... simple
May 06 16:50:04 <MohammadAG_> http://i42.tinypic.com/muesxv.jpg
May 06 16:50:11 <kokosz> when i installed xchat on my n900 the default colors are different from your screenshot
May 06 16:50:26 <MohammadAG_> from mine?
May 06 16:50:32 <MohammadAG_> I set it to randomly coloured
May 06 16:50:39 <MohammadAG_> (for nicknames)
May 06 16:50:47 <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/xchatconf.tar.gz
May 06 16:50:48 <Dima_Sharihin> It's a xchat feature
May 06 16:50:53 <SpeedEvil> for what it's worth
May 06 16:51:03 <MohammadAG_> SpeedEvil, sure your ns id isn't there?
May 06 16:51:15 <SpeedEvil> drop those in your ~.xchat2
May 06 16:51:17 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG?
May 06 16:51:28 <MohammadAG_> Nickserv password
May 06 16:51:29 <Dima_Sharihin> /Nickserv identify <password!>
May 06 16:53:05 <kokosz> SpeedEvil: how did you get the colors to be like that?
May 06 16:54:13 <MohammadAG_> SpeedEvil, /query
May 06 16:54:33 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 06 16:55:42 <Dima_Sharihin> Is software interface N900 harder desktop clones?
May 06 16:57:00 <Dima_Sharihin> /s/harder/harder than desktop clones of these apps
May 06 16:57:14 <kokosz> trying
May 06 17:00:17 <SpeedEvil> kokosz: See the above posted file - which is now there again - after I changed my password. :/
May 06 17:00:17 <Shapeshifter> well, listening to a song on youtube while multitasking aint such a great experience
May 06 17:01:31 <SpeedEvil> Do remember to edit the 'n900evil' to something else.
May 06 17:01:41 <Dima_Sharihin> =)
May 06 17:02:03 <MohammadAG_> or just ignore the whole serverlist file
May 06 17:04:33 <ZogG> kokosz http://yfrog.com/jc85op from n900
May 06 17:08:16 <th3hate_> how do you see black font on black background?
May 06 17:08:43 <Dima_Sharihin> th3hate_, font is grey =)
May 06 17:08:51 <th3hate_> Still hard to see
May 06 17:09:38 <kokosz> yes still hard to see
May 06 17:10:06 <tamas> ~pr1.2
May 06 17:10:07 <infobot> methinks pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.
May 06 17:10:35 <Tuukka> Hey! Just installed Ubuntu on my laptop and i'd need some help in installing some drivers.
May 06 17:10:49 <tamas> ~pr1.3
May 06 17:10:54 <tamas> aaaaw!
May 06 17:11:06 <th3hate_> ~pr1.1.1
May 06 17:11:17 <tamas> ~pr1.4
May 06 17:11:17 <Dima_Sharihin> Tuukka, drivers for what?
May 06 17:11:23 <achipa> ~slap tamas
May 06 17:11:24 * infobot slaps tamas, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
May 06 17:11:34 <tamas> ~vissza
May 06 17:11:57 <Tuukka> Dima_sharihin for wlan adapter
May 06 17:12:03 <timeless> trizt? ping
May 06 17:12:09 <Dima_Sharihin> Tuukka, Atheros wlan, or broadcom?
May 06 17:13:11 <Tuukka> Dima_sharihin allready downoloaded the right ones, but i need to run some scripts which i have no idea of
May 06 17:13:23 <th3hate_> Q&A About PR1.2 release date: http://maemocentral.com/2010/05/06/here-is-why-the-pr-1-2-firmware-for-the-n900-is-late/
May 06 17:13:41 <Dima_Sharihin> huh. Aren't you use NetworkManager???
May 06 17:13:47 <timeless> infobot,  ~pr1.1.1 is <reply> you are here. please wait
May 06 17:13:48 <infobot> timeless: okay
May 06 17:14:05 <timeless> ~pr1.1.1
May 06 17:14:19 <timeless> infobot,  pr1.1.1 is <reply> you are here. please wait
May 06 17:14:20 <infobot> timeless: okay
May 06 17:14:23 <timeless> ~pr1.1.1
May 06 17:14:24 <infobot> you are here. please wait
May 06 17:14:36 <timeless> infobot, forget ~pr1.1.1
May 06 17:14:36 <infobot> i forgot ~pr1.1.1, timeless
May 06 17:15:17 <th3hate_> infobot, remember ~pr1.1.1
May 06 17:15:19 <infobot> How can i forget about ~pr1.1.1 ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world !
May 06 17:15:33 <timeless> infobot,  pr1.1 is <reply> that's old, please update to 1.1.1
May 06 17:15:34 <GAN900> Love dneary's thread
May 06 17:15:34 <infobot> ...but pr1.1 is already something else...
May 06 17:15:44 <timeless> ~pr1.1
May 06 17:15:45 <infobot> hmm... pr1.1 is http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1
May 06 17:15:58 <GAN900> "Anything that has MeeGo in it is evil and I say you can't work on it!"
May 06 17:16:15 <FredrIQ> ~pr.
May 06 17:16:18 <FredrIQ> eh
May 06 17:16:22 <FredrIQ> ~pr1.2
May 06 17:16:23 <infobot> rumour has it, pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.
May 06 17:16:31 <FredrIQ> Aw
May 06 17:17:00 <Stskeeps> GAN900: mm :P
May 06 17:17:06 <timeless> infobot, pr1.1.1 is also http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1.1
May 06 17:17:08 <infobot> timeless: okay
May 06 17:17:26 <GAN900> Stskeeps, I really need to catch up
May 06 17:17:47 <timeless> gan900: yum
May 06 17:17:49 <GAN900> Apparently everybody decided to start making noise the day I went back to work.
May 06 17:18:10 <th3hate_> infobot, kick timless
May 06 17:18:11 * infobot kicks timless
May 06 17:18:19 <Stskeeps> GAN900: well, at least council is a bit more active
May 06 17:18:26 <FredrIQ> infobot, can i get a kick?
May 06 17:18:33 <GAN900> Stskeeps, hey!
May 06 17:18:33 <FredrIQ> meh
May 06 17:18:38 <Stskeeps> GAN900: be sure to thank/beat andre in his thread btw
May 06 17:18:53 <GAN900> Stskeeps, yeah, been on my list.
May 06 17:18:54 <timeless> fredrIQ: someone would have to spell your nick correctly
May 06 17:19:14 <FredrIQ> hmm
May 06 17:19:29 <FredrIQ> infobot, i'm FredrIQ, may you kick him?
May 06 17:19:38 <FredrIQ> aw
May 06 17:19:41 <Dima_Sharihin> =]
May 06 17:19:47 <kokosz> unreal
May 06 17:19:52 <th3hate_> infobot, kick FredrlQ
May 06 17:19:53 * infobot kicks FredrlQ
May 06 17:20:01 <FredrIQ> yay
May 06 17:20:02 <th3hate_> infobot, thanks
May 06 17:20:03 <infobot> gern geschehen, th3hate_
May 06 17:20:09 <GAN900> Stskeeps, yeah, been on my list.
May 06 17:20:09 <GAN900> Ah, damn
May 06 17:20:10 <Dima_Sharihin> infobot, kick me
May 06 17:20:12 * infobot kicks dima_sharihin
May 06 17:20:16 <Dima_Sharihin> lol
May 06 17:20:16 <GAN900> andre__, dun wanna half-ass it, though. :)
May 06 17:20:28 <GAN900> Up arrow is too close to the enter key
May 06 17:21:34 <kokosz> testing
May 06 17:23:29 <kokosz> nice
May 06 17:24:15 <andre__> yay, GAN900 is in? finally some real criticism :)
May 06 17:24:58 <crashanddie> GAN900: sudo find me a job
May 06 17:25:00 <GAN900> andre__, well, I wanted to avoid a "You're great!" post and give you something more useful.
May 06 17:25:05 <Chrome> qole said n900 won't get flash 10.1?
May 06 17:25:12 <GAN900> crashanddie, garbage man!
May 06 17:25:23 <Stskeeps> qole isn't an authorative source
May 06 17:25:29 <GAN900> lol
May 06 17:25:30 <andre__> GAN900, that's bad for my ego, but good for my will to explain things :-P
May 06 17:25:33 <crashanddie> GAN900: sudo find-me-a-job.sh -type NOT_CRAP
May 06 17:25:34 <GAN900> Stskeeps, lies!
May 06 17:25:46 <kokosz> lies?
May 06 17:26:23 <GAN900> crashanddie, error: unknown option "-type"
May 06 17:26:36 <crashanddie> GAN900: sudo find-me-a-job.sh -h
May 06 17:26:51 <GAN900> crashanddie, back in Europe?
May 06 17:26:54 <crashanddie> aye
May 06 17:27:12 <GAN900> crashanddie, good to be back?
May 06 17:27:20 <crashanddie> very
May 06 17:27:47 <GAN900> Why not go apply at Nokia or one of their contractors?
May 06 17:28:44 <Stskeeps> are you sure they'd dare to let him on as anything than a security guard after reading #maemo logs? ;p
May 06 17:32:23 <kokosz> hi
May 06 17:32:54 <kokosz> yes
May 06 17:34:14 <kokosz> i see
May 06 17:35:22 <kokosz> time to go
May 06 17:35:48 <kokosz> testing
May 06 17:36:24 <lcuk> kokosz, what are you testing?
May 06 17:36:59 <kokosz> different colors in xchat on my n900 to make it more readable
May 06 17:37:11 <crashanddie> GAN900: thought about it, just don't know where to get it tbh
May 06 17:37:16 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: well, that'd'work
May 06 17:37:26 <lcuk> kokosz, change the preferences
May 06 17:37:40 <kokosz> lcuk: yes
May 06 17:37:46 <crashanddie> GAN900: thing is, I'd like to be in Perpignan for a while, want to be with gf for a bit
May 06 17:37:59 <lcuk> click the menu andclick settings and click preferences
May 06 17:38:05 <lcuk> and change fonts and colors etc?
May 06 17:38:05 <arachnist> kokosz: try dark background and light text
May 06 17:38:24 <arachnist> btw, do the "preferences" in xchat still make it die?
May 06 17:38:28 <lcuk> no
May 06 17:38:40 <lcuk> i changed the font and the colors myself just a minute ago
May 06 17:38:49 <kokosz> arachnisrt: i think i prefer light background and dark text
May 06 17:38:51 <lcuk> usernames are no longer darkblue on black
May 06 17:38:59 <lcuk> and the font size is greater than 6
May 06 17:39:53 <kokosz> i also got rid of the marker line
May 06 17:41:36 * RST38h yawns
May 06 17:41:42 <RST38h> lcuk moo
May 06 17:41:52 <lcuk> hey RST38h \o
May 06 17:42:00 <lcuk> you changed the font i was squinting!
May 06 17:42:42 <RST38h> what font?
May 06 17:42:48 <lcuk> in xchat?
May 06 17:42:57 <lcuk> or have i had little fingers playing..
May 06 17:43:03 * lcuk considers the latter actually
May 06 17:43:06 <kokosz> is there a specific N900 room on irc?
May 06 17:44:18 <RST38h> lcuk: have not been changing anything, using the same mheg-whatever font
May 06 17:45:11 <lcuk> roger - its down to little fingers then
May 06 17:45:16 <lcuk> font change is on the front page of preferences
May 06 17:45:32 <timeless> kokosz: most of the time this 'channel' is focussed on the n900
May 06 17:45:53 <kokosz> timeless: yes
May 06 17:46:57 <timeless> nokia is replacing maemo w/ meego, and thus it's assumed that the n900 is the last 'maemo' device
May 06 17:46:57 <timeless> it's also reasonable to conclude that there's at least an order of magnitude more n900 devices than its predecessors
May 06 17:47:27 <timeless> well, maemo is merging into meego, however you want to look at it
May 06 17:47:51 <E0x> anybody here ever buy a beagleboard ?
May 06 17:48:05 <timeless> internally, nokians now work for meego devices whereas earlier we were in maemo devices
May 06 17:49:29 <kokosz> will meego run officially on n900? and I'm not talking about 16 year olds trying to make it work. I'm talking official release.
May 06 17:50:20 <MohammadAG_> not sure if that's an insult to 1) old devs 2) 16 year olds 3) no one, it was a question
May 06 17:50:20 <Stskeeps> a team from nokia is working on n900 hardware adaptation for meego.
May 06 17:50:58 <GAN900> crashanddie, mmm, yeah, probably not productive.
May 06 17:51:02 <E0x> MohammadAG_: my question ?
May 06 17:51:20 <MohammadAG_> no, kokosz's
May 06 17:51:20 <GAN900> crashanddie, what tech companies are in the area?
May 06 17:51:44 <E0x> ah got it
May 06 17:51:47 <crashanddie> GAN900: there's Ubisoft about 300km away
May 06 17:52:03 <nid0> bitch of a commute
May 06 17:52:24 <crashanddie> GAN900: pretty big city, loads of jobs
May 06 17:52:47 <crashanddie> GAN900: would be perfect if I could work from home most of the time, then go in for meetings or so. Bout 2 hours by train
May 06 17:55:42 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: got a resume/CV somewhere?
May 06 17:56:16 <crashanddie> well, there's my linkedin page, I need to renew my CV
May 06 17:56:27 <MohammadAG_> 2007-2010 talk.maemo.org :P
May 06 17:56:42 <MohammadAG_> should give you CEO position somewhere
May 06 17:57:04 <crashanddie> http://www.linkedin.com/profile?viewProfile=&key=30401713&trk=tab_pro
May 06 17:59:05 <timeless> kokosz: nokia hasn't formally commented on that issue
May 06 17:59:25 <timeless> and anyone affiliated with nokia is careful not to comment on it
May 06 17:59:49 <kokosz> timeless: yes
May 06 18:00:01 <timeless> in general, nokia has provided service updates for roughly two years
May 06 18:00:18 <timeless> sometimes that includes a major update
May 06 18:00:35 <timeless> as in the update for the n800
May 06 18:00:57 <timeless> and sometimes it doesn't
May 06 18:01:19 <timeless> either way, your phone should still work
May 06 18:01:54 <timeless> as long as networks support the supported bands or your basestations use the supported bands and encryption sets
May 06 18:03:48 <luke-jr> timeless: the problem is that when Nokia stops providing updates, they refuse to let anyone else continue it
May 06 18:03:57 <Stskeeps> community SSU is going on so far
May 06 18:03:57 <Stskeeps> :P
May 06 18:04:06 <Stskeeps> introduced last week
May 06 18:04:20 <nid0> sigh :( screen dying
May 06 18:06:22 <kokosz> yes
May 06 18:07:52 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: got time to discuss some hypothetical situations in private?
May 06 18:07:56 <timeless> luke-jr: i'm not listing all facts, merely those i can easily list as an employee
May 06 18:08:23 <timeless> however, i have heard rumors in this channel of community ssu
May 06 18:08:36 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: sure
May 06 18:08:59 <luke-jr> timeless: community lacks the documentation needed to maintain the devices
May 06 18:09:27 <kokosz> when you guys respond how do you get the person's nick to appear automatically?
May 06 18:09:30 * timeless shrugs
May 06 18:09:47 <timeless> kokosz: that depends on the client
May 06 18:09:47 <valdyn> kokosz: <tab>
May 06 18:09:49 <luke-jr> kokosz: tab completion. learn to love it. then complain to Nokia that you have no Tab key.
May 06 18:09:55 <timeless> i'm hand typing everything
May 06 18:10:08 <kokosz> in xchat on N900
May 06 18:10:16 <timeless> there's a tab in my x-terminal
May 06 18:10:29 <luke-jr> timeless: KEY
May 06 18:10:34 <frals> kokosz: shift+space
May 06 18:11:04 <timeless> luke-jr: it's called a soft key ;-)
May 06 18:11:14 <lcuk> :D awww frals you got a linkedin!
May 06 18:11:19 <frals> yepp!
May 06 18:11:20 <frals> :D
May 06 18:11:21 <luke-jr> timeless: most people call it a BUTTON
May 06 18:11:24 <kokosz> thanks all
May 06 18:11:29 <lcuk> now fill the thing in :p
May 06 18:11:55 <timeless> luke-jr: the hardware things are buttons too :-b
May 06 18:11:59 <frals> waiting for official mail first, just to be on the safe side ;)
May 06 18:12:04 <luke-jr> timeless: but also keys
May 06 18:12:11 <lcuk> rog
May 06 18:13:52 <BCMM_> how does one tab-complete in maemo xchat?
May 06 18:14:25 <luke-jr> BCMM_: I sell a microUSB tab key
May 06 18:14:31 <luke-jr> just plug it in and press it
May 06 18:15:43 <frals> BCMM: shift+space
May 06 18:15:52 <frals> or maybe its ctrl+space.. hmm
May 06 18:16:45 <luke-jr> (microUSB tab key is vapourware, for the record. :p)
May 06 18:17:34 <lcuk> bluetooth one?
May 06 18:17:54 <luke-jr> dunno
May 06 18:17:57 <Erod> I wouldn't be surprised if someone had designed a gadget like that.
May 06 18:22:20 <N900evil> BCMM_: I setup shift-rightarrow to complete
May 06 18:26:34 <Tuukka> why is ndiswrapper trying to acces a file in /usr/sbin/ndiswrapper-1,9 although im in /home/blah/blah?
May 06 18:27:22 <Tuukka> I'm using: sudo ndiswrapper -i sis163.inf and i'm in the folder in which sis163.inf is located
May 06 18:28:07 <BCMM_> Tuukka: tried ./sis163.inf?
May 06 18:28:53 <Tuukka> BCMM still trying to /usr/sbin/..
May 06 18:31:24 <Tuukka> It's trying to find it inside the ndiswrapper-1.9 line 219, hmmm....
May 06 18:36:03 <Tuukka> MAN, typoed the file name -.-' fail
May 06 18:36:55 <vuong> anyone knows about a bricked n900?
May 06 18:37:56 <johnsq> Hi
May 06 18:38:10 <lcuk> MohammadAG_, rag doll kung fu?
May 06 18:38:19 <vuong> i need help. i just bricked my n900 =/
May 06 18:38:19 <MohammadAG_> PS3 game
May 06 18:38:29 <lcuk> i didnt know the ps3 had games
May 06 18:38:36 <MohammadAG_> LOL
May 06 18:39:05 <MohammadAG_> PlayStation: First 50 to @reply us with *correct* answer to the following MW2 trivia Tweet wins a Modern Warfare 2 DLC code. US only. <-- watching this on twitter ;)
May 06 18:41:38 <MohammadAG_> I'm gonna lose that lol
May 06 19:01:07 <frals> bah, got email and only saw "Invitation" before the notification went off screen, thought id gotten some nice escort service spam... but it was lcuk accepting my linkedin request :(
May 06 19:01:14 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, check what's trending on twitter lol
May 06 19:01:26 <MohammadAG_> 7th one
May 06 19:01:41 <frals> lol
May 06 19:03:36 * tybollt sigh
May 06 19:04:14 <Khertan_n900> Hi !
May 06 19:04:19 <tybollt> look nokia - please release PR1.2 now... hell they even have domestic riots and are on the brink of civil war in Greece because you didn't release it...
May 06 19:05:11 * Khertan_n900 like the maemo planet news question and answer about pr1.2 ... can be resume in few words : when it s ready
May 06 19:10:05 <lcuk> MohammadAG_, not online what is it
May 06 19:10:36 <MohammadAG_> Scar-H from the PS3 CoD contest
May 06 19:10:45 <MohammadAG_> wonder if I won...
May 06 19:11:26 <lcuk> ahh
May 06 19:15:07 * noobmonk3y waves and apologises for not throwing enough touts at frals this week!
May 06 19:15:10 <noobmonk3y> trouts*
May 06 19:15:13 * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout
May 06 19:15:23 <noobmonk3y> buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusy week
May 06 19:15:29 <noobmonk3y> MohammadAG, cool script!
May 06 19:16:07 <MohammadAG_> noobmonk3y, lcuk helped :)
May 06 19:16:23 <noobmonk3y> ahhhh not sure of having it on load though
May 06 19:16:31 <noobmonk3y> as the keyboard needs to be open
May 06 19:16:40 <noobmonk3y> might just have it as a keyboard led test
May 06 19:17:04 <MohammadAG_> so?
May 06 19:17:07 <MohammadAG_> it will show if it's open/closed
May 06 19:17:17 <noobmonk3y> lol true :P will give it a go
May 06 19:21:09 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, its just for playing but uber cool
May 06 19:21:16 <lcuk> MohammadAG_, i had a thought about something
May 06 19:21:21 <lcuk> will test it and see if it works
May 06 19:21:25 <lcuk> if so will update script
May 06 19:21:39 <noobmonk3y> lol
May 06 19:21:48 * noobmonk3y is plugging it into H/c as an initial test :D
May 06 19:21:57 <noobmonk3y> was working on 1 myself - but yours is cooler!
May 06 19:22:38 * lcuk is doing something differenter
May 06 19:23:03 * frals plugs a trout in noobmonk3y
May 06 19:23:16 <lcuk> wont that hurt?
May 06 19:23:28 * noobmonk3y screams troutyness!!!!!
May 06 19:23:35 <frals> depends on where i guess, size of his mouth he wont even notice!
May 06 19:23:40 <noobmonk3y> brb 5 mins - reading the missus's sisters uni dissertation
May 06 19:23:45 <noobmonk3y> :(
May 06 19:23:51 * noobmonk3y is quite honest guv!
May 06 19:23:54 <noobmonk3y> quiet*
May 06 19:23:59 * noobmonk3y really can't type
May 06 19:24:35 <Dima_Sharihin> noobmonk3y, speak or sing what you can't type... =)
May 06 19:24:44 <noobmonk3y> :P
May 06 19:25:51 * Dima_Sharihin hates typing "unsigned long long.... unsigned long long... unsigned long long". Damn C standart =)
May 06 19:28:54 <lcuk> Dima_Sharihin, UINT64 etc are clearer to understand
May 06 19:29:15 <Dima_Sharihin> lcuk, yes, that's right
May 06 19:29:24 * noobmonk3y has just realised, tjhat is a script - not python
May 06 19:29:26 <noobmonk3y> meh
May 06 19:29:56 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, lol
May 06 19:30:00 <RST38h> Dima)Sharihin: ever heard of typedef?
May 06 19:30:06 * noobmonk3y 's brain struggles!
May 06 19:30:26 <Dima_Sharihin> RST38h, no =)
May 06 19:30:34 <RST38h> google for it
May 06 19:30:43 <Dima_Sharihin> RST38h, oooh! sorry, forgot =]
May 06 19:31:13 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, which script are you looking at?
May 06 19:31:33 <frals> noobmonk3y: some call python script as well ;)
May 06 19:32:16 <frals> gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
May 06 19:32:34 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, yours, assuming I gave him the right link
May 06 19:32:37 * frals needs Reggie to find a vBullentin plugin to *FORCE* users to read the first post before pressing reply
May 06 19:32:45 * MohammadAG_ checks
May 06 19:32:48 <lcuk> lol
May 06 19:32:51 * frals facepalms and goes for more ice cream
May 06 19:32:52 <MohammadAG_> nope, it's not a rick roll
May 06 19:33:05 <MohammadAG_> frals, there is one :P
May 06 19:34:12 <noobmonk3y> lol looking at erm, a non python led one
May 06 19:34:20 <frals> link me up!
May 06 19:34:30 * noobmonk3y *trout palms* frals
May 06 19:38:59 * noobmonk3y blinks
May 06 19:39:21 * MohammadAG_ hits noobmonk3y 
May 06 19:39:36 * noobmonk3y cries like a girly - ie frals
May 06 19:39:51 <frals> oi u wnkr!
May 06 19:40:00 <tybollt> hrrrm
May 06 19:40:15 <MohammadAG_> LOL
May 06 19:40:29 * Dima_Sharihin silently watching on the channel
May 06 19:40:54 <tybollt> getting the missus a new phone
May 06 19:41:06 <MohammadAG_> silently\ watching\ on\ the\ channel="lurking"
May 06 19:41:11 <tybollt> pondering the x10 mini pro
May 06 19:41:20 <MohammadAG_> N900 FTW!1111!!!!
May 06 19:41:23 <MohammadAG_> :P
May 06 19:41:33 <tybollt> any word if there wil be a Maemo "mini"?
May 06 19:41:55 <tybollt> as in ... "hand bag friendly" format?
May 06 19:42:49 <Dima_Sharihin> MohammadAG, If I had n900, I wouldn't  be here
May 06 19:44:56 <E0x> hmm
May 06 19:45:25 <Dima_Sharihin> ?
May 06 19:45:27 <E0x> my n900 almost in 98% of the time choose edge over 3g
May 06 19:45:53 <Dima_Sharihin> E0x, EDGE uses less power, isn't it?
May 06 19:46:24 <E0x> i think yes
May 06 19:47:02 <E0x> if i manual force use 3g and back put in in dual mode and 3g signal don't get lost stay in 3g all the time
May 06 19:47:11 <Dima_Sharihin> And n900 have small battery life =)
May 06 19:47:16 <noobmonk3y> why when running an sh file with | root after it am i getting permission denied?
May 06 19:47:25 <E0x> but when it lose 3g signal and go back to 2.5g it never come back to 3g
May 06 19:47:39 <Dima_Sharihin> noobmonk3y, you typing sudo, or su...?
May 06 19:47:48 <E0x> | is not a command
May 06 19:48:00 <SpeedEvil> tybollt: I'm not sure it would be anywhere near as good without a hwkeyb
May 06 19:48:01 <E0x> what is the entery line that are you trying ?
May 06 19:48:05 <SpeedEvil> tybollt: that may be me
May 06 19:48:42 <E0x> small battery life ?
May 06 19:48:51 <E0x> i think is averague
May 06 19:48:57 <E0x> average*
May 06 19:49:01 <Dima_Sharihin> E0x, 1 day is very small =]
May 06 19:49:08 <Dima_Sharihin> N900 is a PHONE!!!
May 06 19:49:22 <jacekowski> it's a tablet
May 06 19:49:29 <E0x> with phone
May 06 19:49:37 <daniel_sz> its a phone tablet =]
May 06 19:49:43 <jacekowski> limited phone functionality
May 06 19:49:45 <E0x> fun table ?
May 06 19:49:56 <E0x> "limited" ?
May 06 19:50:09 <E0x> that more do phone that do calls ?
May 06 19:50:12 <tybollt> SpeedEvil: eh?
May 06 19:50:30 <tybollt> SpeedEvil: LMGTFY
May 06 19:50:47 <Dima_Sharihin> E0x, send SMS, MMS, USSD-calls, Video-calls
May 06 19:50:51 <tybollt> SpeedEvil: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/02/500x_x10-mini-pro.jpg&imgrefurl=http://gizmodo.com/5471484/sony-ericsson-x10-mini-and-x10-mini-pro-are-even-less-attractive-than-the-original-x10&usg=__FyxdNrV1SEsWtfJ6mzTUzhXkKKE=&h=434&w=500&sz=126&hl=en&start=2&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=bcfdoqtc52z9VM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dx10%2Bmini%2Bpro%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26saf
May 06 19:50:57 <SpeedEvil> tybollt: I'm unsure I could live with a smaller n900
May 06 19:50:58 <tybollt> oi long url :S
May 06 19:51:10 <Dima_Sharihin> tybollt, very short url X]
May 06 19:51:11 <E0x> sms is so 1999
May 06 19:51:19 <tybollt> SpeedEvil: Dima_Sharihin :-|
May 06 19:51:27 <E0x> video-calls is not a phone feature
May 06 19:51:39 <tybollt> ehr s/SpeedEvil//
May 06 19:52:04 <Dima_Sharihin> E0x, of course. But I want to do Video-calls using Skype on N900 :)
May 06 19:52:15 <E0x> so that is a table
May 06 19:52:18 <E0x> feature
May 06 19:52:30 <E0x> table/computer feature
May 06 19:52:30 <tybollt> SpeedEvil: The mini pro _does_ have a keyboard - hence my question. I am also likely not accepting a smaller N900 - however - again - this is for missus.
May 06 19:52:31 <joga> tables are for putting things on them
May 06 19:52:36 <Dima_Sharihin> No, that is a Desktop-laptop-pda feature
May 06 19:52:52 <MohammadAG_> <Dima_Sharihin> E0x, of course. But I want to do Video-calls using Skype on N900 :) - PR1.2, Qole confirmed it
May 06 19:52:53 <SpeedEvil> tybollt: ah - sorry - I diddn't read scroll
May 06 19:53:26 <daniel_sz> hi, anyone know any app for 3g data control?
May 06 19:53:26 <Dima_Sharihin> MohammadAG, I didn't see any of PRs =)
May 06 19:53:48 <MohammadAG_> look at the topic
May 06 19:53:51 <E0x> i use have a few reason for video-calls
May 06 19:54:01 <tybollt> SpeedEvil: np. I'm shopping for something more ... "handbag sized" for missus, yet still something she can tinker w/ a lot (she steals mine to tinker w/ :-| )
May 06 19:54:14 <E0x> bah , nevermind
May 06 19:56:38 * SpeedEvil suggests a larger handbag.
May 06 19:56:48 <SpeedEvil> I suspect that may not work though.
May 06 20:04:12 <tybollt> SpeedEvil: suggesting that may render me a handbag ina head... I prefer not... ;)
May 06 20:11:28 <DrGrov> Good evening
May 06 20:12:54 <DrGrov> PR 1.2 ??=
May 06 20:12:56 <DrGrov> It is out?
May 06 20:13:08 <frals> ~pr1.2
May 06 20:13:09 <infobot> from memory, pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.
May 06 20:13:20 <frals> and evening to you too :)
May 06 20:13:34 * MohammadAG_ so wants to set that kick regex
May 06 20:15:03 <jacekowski> pr 1.2 has leaked
May 06 20:15:12 <jacekowski> but it's month old build
May 06 20:15:15 <jacekowski> that has some issues
May 06 20:15:21 <DrGrov> I will be fucked
May 06 20:15:35 <DrGrov> God damn Nokia!
May 06 20:15:41 <frals> jacekowski: its a leaked build, what evidence do you have its pr1.2? :p
May 06 20:15:44 <MohammadAG_> flashing it isn't supported, giving links out isn't allowed
May 06 20:15:49 <E0x> i dont belive in god
May 06 20:16:05 <DrGrov> Actually, more serious issues though. My boss is asking on how to obtain a license for DocsToGo so he can use Word/Powerpoint/Excel documents while working.
May 06 20:16:06 <jacekowski> frals: it has lot of features that 1.2 was supposed to have
May 06 20:16:14 * MohammadAG_ slaps noobmonk3y around with a trout
May 06 20:16:17 <jacekowski> frals: ir's more like 1.95
May 06 20:16:19 * MohammadAG_ waits for frals to thank him
May 06 20:16:25 <jacekowski> frals: 1.1.95
May 06 20:16:36 * frals trouts noobmonk3y and MohammadAG_
May 06 20:16:49 * noobmonk3y prods frals with a trout shaped lcuk 
May 06 20:16:52 * tybollt salmons frals
May 06 20:17:12 <DrGrov> Seriously hey, my boss has been asking me shitload of times about this and I couldn't tell him squat
May 06 20:17:19 * noobmonk3y frals a trout with a salmon smelling tuna looking lcuk
May 06 20:17:25 * frals watches as lcuk gets eaten by his cat
May 06 20:17:31 * noobmonk3y giggles
May 06 20:17:37 * MohammadAG_ trouts the cat
May 06 20:17:43 <DrGrov> For fucks sake guys!
May 06 20:17:46 <Jaffa> DrGrov: Yes. Nokia are purposefully witholding it to screw with you and your boss
May 06 20:17:51 <E0x> Dima_Sharihin: google it
May 06 20:17:56 * noobmonk3y looks at DrGrov 
May 06 20:18:00 <DrGrov> Jaffa: those damn idiots
May 06 20:18:07 * MohammadAG_ laughs at Jaffa's startement
May 06 20:18:08 <E0x> DrGrov: google it
May 06 20:18:11 <MohammadAG_> -r
May 06 20:18:17 <DrGrov> E0x: ah yes, google...
May 06 20:18:26 <frals> quick, someone get the tar and feathers!
May 06 20:18:27 <DrGrov> E0x: you don't think i've fucking googled it?
May 06 20:18:33 <DrGrov> E0x: lol
May 06 20:18:36 <SpeedEvil> tybollt: It's OK. They're so small, they can't hurt.
May 06 20:18:48 * MohammadAG_ gets the tar and feathers
May 06 20:18:49 <E0x> i already do a search
May 06 20:18:51 <E0x> i am find it
May 06 20:18:56 <MohammadAG_> good for you
May 06 20:18:59 <DrGrov> You do need to excuse me
May 06 20:19:07 <SpeedEvil> tar -F
May 06 20:19:08 <DrGrov> I have a withdrawal from swedish snus atm...
May 06 20:19:15 <MohammadAG_> If I were Nokia I'd sue rapidshare
May 06 20:19:17 * frals throws some tar at lcuk and noobmonk3y
May 06 20:19:17 <MohammadAG_> (for the lulz)
May 06 20:19:36 * MohammadAG_ dumps the feathers and takes pictures
May 06 20:19:49 <noobmonk3y> DrGrov, http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/maemo/faqs.html
May 06 20:20:10 <lcuk> i have been voting and taking pictures of lamps and you bleeders decide to throw trout at me
May 06 20:20:11 <lcuk> thanks
May 06 20:20:19 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y: ah thank you. my withdrawing from using snus is killing my intellect. :D lol
May 06 20:20:29 <noobmonk3y> DrGrov, http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/maemo/index.html - to be more precise
May 06 20:20:34 <noobmonk3y> lol np :P
May 06 20:20:56 <frals> lcuk: thats what you get when it takes you this long!
May 06 20:21:03 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y: or should i say i am trying to cut down usage of it...
May 06 20:21:08 <noobmonk3y> lol!
May 06 20:21:10 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y: not working though so well
May 06 20:21:12 <lcuk> twitter has picture of the lamp
May 06 20:21:23 <noobmonk3y> i havnt had snus since i last went to sweden - 5 years ago
May 06 20:21:31 <noobmonk3y> brought loads back, but ran out fast :P
May 06 20:21:32 <frals> lol lcuk
May 06 20:21:40 <tybollt> SpeedEvil: http://www.fishex.com/seafood/salmon/big-king-pic2.jpg
May 06 20:21:41 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, genie lamp?
May 06 20:21:44 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y: you like snus then?
May 06 20:21:48 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, you havent had snusnu?
May 06 20:21:48 <tybollt> 'small'
May 06 20:21:57 <noobmonk3y> apart from the initial burning my mouth apart yeah
May 06 20:22:10 <frals> ah god snus is awful
May 06 20:22:14 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y: i'm been using 15 years so withdrawing is a bit fucked up
May 06 20:22:14 <noobmonk3y> lol frals
May 06 20:22:24 <noobmonk3y> ahhhh have smoked 15 years so know the feeling
May 06 20:22:32 <frals> otoh smoking is even worse so :D
May 06 20:22:46 <DrGrov> noobmonk3y: to stop using snus is even harder than to stop smoking
May 06 20:23:00 <noobmonk3y> lol :P
May 06 20:23:43 <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWn9aDYuarc&NR=1
May 06 20:30:50 <RST38bis> wazd: here?
May 06 20:33:28 <MohammadAG_> can't believe a bot who spammed both #maemo and freenode is from opensuse...
May 06 20:33:40 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: i've pushed a newer set
May 06 20:33:46 <timeless_mbp> hopefully w/ fewer packaging failures
May 06 20:33:47 <Joonas> frals, can I ask you a question about fmms?
May 06 20:33:56 <frals> sure
May 06 20:35:06 <BCMM> any advice on watching BBC videos?
May 06 20:35:06 <Joonas> I have followed this list http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS#TDC for configuration of fMMS, but I'm getting an error when trying to send a MMS.
May 06 20:35:18 <Joonas> Sending failed
May 06 20:35:18 <Joonas> Error: 101 Network is unreachable
May 06 20:35:18 <Joonas> Please make sure your APN settings are corroect
May 06 20:35:35 <Joonas> Any hints, whats wrong?
May 06 20:36:59 <BCMM> i have seen several reviews saying that the BBC news channel streams perfectly
May 06 20:37:07 <BCMM> but it's pretty jerky, like any flash video
May 06 20:37:35 <BCMM> am i doing something wrong, or did some fail arrive in an update?
May 06 20:38:08 <frals> Joonas: probably some setting or another is wrong - if you email me the log to fmms@frals.se i can take a closer look
May 06 20:38:44 <Joonas> where can i find the log?
May 06 20:39:01 <frals> /tmp/fmms.log
May 06 20:39:15 <korhojoa> DrGrov: bara grov?
May 06 20:39:44 <BCMM> ah, http://mynokiablog.com/2010/04/02/how-to-getting-your-n900-to-play-smooth-videos-on-bbc-iplayer-despite-the-bbc-update-that-stopped-the-old-solution/ this got iplayer working for me, but not the news channel
May 06 20:39:51 <BCMM> unless that is available somewhere on iplayer
May 06 20:43:08 <Joonas> yes, just a sec
May 06 20:44:05 <DrGrov> korhojoa: bara grov?
May 06 20:48:08 <alterego> ... "If everything goes well, the release after PR 1.2 will ship with Qt 4.7.x" .. Interesting, so we can hopefully expect a PR1.3? Or are they talking about Harmatten, as the released dates for Qt4.7 and Maemo 6 are pretty damn close ..
May 06 20:48:45 <lcuk> alterego, wheres that quote from
May 06 20:50:05 <alterego> labs.trolltech.com/blogs/
May 06 20:50:16 <alterego> specifically: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2010/05/06/new-experimental-qt-47-packages-for-the-n900/
May 06 20:50:20 <alterego> that post :)
May 06 20:50:55 <tamas_> ~pr1.2
May 06 20:50:56 <infobot> i guess pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.
May 06 20:51:35 <alterego> tamas_: who's asking?
May 06 20:51:38 <lcuk> tamas_, shush for once, this was a genuine question with real considerations :)
May 06 20:52:05 * tamas_ didn't ask anything, just typed some random characters... :$
May 06 20:52:39 <alterego> Heh
May 06 20:53:00 <alterego> Well, wasn't really a question, more of a discussion opener :)
May 06 20:53:04 <lcuk> alterego read the qt 4.7 statement how you like, did you see eeros posting about pr1.2?
May 06 20:53:28 <alterego> lcuk: sorry? I don't get you
May 06 20:53:52 <alterego> eeros?
May 06 20:54:10 <kokosz> Peeps this is why 1.2 is delayed: http://maemocentral.com/2010/05/06/here-is-why-the-pr-1-2-firmware-for-the-n900-is-late/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MaemoCentral+%28Maemo+Central%29
May 06 20:54:31 <alterego> That link is far too long for what it's addressing.
May 06 20:54:32 <lcuk> http://twitter.com/mwkn/status/13496469558
May 06 20:54:45 <tamas_> I know why, mr council member kept me updated
May 06 20:54:46 <alterego> And yes, I'm sure anyone that cares picked that up from planet maemo :P
May 06 20:55:10 <lcuk> tamas_, ?
May 06 20:55:26 <tamas_> I know a council member
May 06 20:55:33 <tamas_> in person :P
May 06 20:55:36 <lcuk> and ?
May 06 20:55:40 <tamas_> nothing
May 06 20:55:45 <tamas_> never mind
May 06 20:56:36 <kokosz> http://maemocentral.m/2010/05/06/here-is-why-the-pr-1-2-firmware-for-then-n900-is-late/
May 06 20:57:03 <SpeedEvil> .m?
May 06 20:57:05 <SpeedEvil> Mars?
May 06 20:58:25 <BCMM> 'm' for 'mangled'
May 06 20:58:37 * GAN900 knows a council person in person too.
May 06 20:58:37 <BCMM> hmm
May 06 20:58:55 <BCMM> past bbc news channel shows on iplayer are fine, live is jerky
May 06 20:59:09 <Joonas> frals: Btw, i noticed some other thing with fMMS, when I installed it. fMMS made a new connection, but when I edited the connection in the fMMS (Apn), it used my 3G connection instead...
May 06 20:59:32 <BCMM> sounds is fine; but sync drifing horribly
May 06 21:00:07 <kokosz> who needs MMS ? email your pix instead
May 06 21:00:32 <lcuk> kokosz, majority of population of existing phone users dont have email on phones/configured
May 06 21:00:35 * javispedro thinks that, in typical rushed software development fashion, one would just introduce a daemon that periodically kills browserd instead of fixing its memory leaks ;P
May 06 21:01:05 <Stskeeps> i thought that was what flash plugin did
May 06 21:01:21 <javispedro> yes, well.
May 06 21:01:28 <javispedro> if adobe decided to drop that useful feature...
May 06 21:01:55 <javispedro> just hope that the adobe-periodic-crash-simulator-daemon is released under an OSS license.
May 06 21:02:05 <DocScrutinizer> ugggh
May 06 21:08:26 <kokosz> read it and weep peeps: http://maemocentral.m/2010/05/06/here-is-why-the-pr-1-2-firmware-for-then-n900-is-late/
May 06 21:08:46 <lcuk> Server not found
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May 06 21:08:57 <lcuk> Firefox can't find the server at www.maemocentral.m.
May 06 21:08:59 * lcuk weeps
May 06 21:09:22 <kokosz> ouch
May 06 21:09:54 <kokosz> http://maemocentral.com/2010/05/06/here-is-why-the-pr-1-2-firmware-for-the-n900-is-late/
May 06 21:10:15 <javispedro> or read the original eero post in the mailing lists.
May 06 21:10:31 <lcuk> i did earlier
May 06 21:10:47 <lcuk> or i could just read the commits on gitorious of course
May 06 21:11:06 <javispedro> poor eero, now his opinions are going to be understood as official Nokia PR stuff as soon as this gets on the interwebs
May 06 21:11:14 <kokosz> gitorious?
May 06 21:11:23 <lcuk> open source remember
May 06 21:11:35 <javispedro> lcuk: save for the sgx :)
May 06 21:11:52 <Trewas> sheesh, now they want to release PR1.2 without regressions, why the hell they then broke streaming avi's in PR1.1 and "fixed" it in january, yet refuse to ship that as an update :P
May 06 21:12:08 <Chiku> A. Releases are not based on calendar, but on them being ready, based on testing results. (Hm. Is Maemo showing its Debian roots?) <-- debian got calendar since last year
May 06 21:12:25 <Chiku> with 2 years release cycle
May 06 21:13:11 <kokosz> i'm praying they fix that damn email bug where the delete button is grayed out
May 06 21:13:18 <Trewas> Chiku: no they don't, there was some debate about the release schedule to co-incide with ubuntu but that did not realize
May 06 21:13:58 <javispedro> kokosz: you could know that by a) looking at the bug report b) downloading the updated version of the modest source and building it.
May 06 21:14:06 <javispedro> choose one! no need for pr1.2
May 06 21:15:28 <Chiku> this lien is funny... so HK native PR1.2 is too buggy one
May 06 21:15:50 <Chiku> HK buyers bought and buying buggy PR1.2 so ?
May 06 21:15:58 * DocScrutinizer honestly doubts the why-1.2-is-late will bring any good bit to the rotten mood of screaming whining tmo crowd
May 06 21:16:00 <kokosz> the chinese 1.2 flying around is buggy?
May 06 21:16:39 <BCMM> for anybody trying to watch the UK election: http://www.livestation.com (front page) streams BBC news better than the BCC site for me
May 06 21:16:42 <BCMM> (YMMV)
May 06 21:17:07 <kokosz> BCMM: on the N900?
May 06 21:17:10 <BCMM> yes
May 06 21:17:27 <BCMM> blockier, but full framerate and perfect AV sync
May 06 21:17:27 <DocScrutinizer> chinese people are used to use crap XP
May 06 21:17:56 <BCMM> oh, it also puts "Livestation" in the corner
May 06 21:17:59 <BCMM> but not it big letters
May 06 21:19:05 <BCMM> oh, and you need to mouseover with mouse mode to get the fullscreen button
May 06 21:19:12 <BCMM> easiest is to just click the video (pausing it)
May 06 21:19:19 * DocScrutinizer wonders how many HK users are whining about their 1.2 being such a drag compared to the nicely stable 1.1.1 all the rest of the world is allowed to use :-D
May 06 21:19:20 <BCMM> (rather than using mouse mode)
May 06 21:21:40 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
May 06 21:21:48 <Chiku> any HK users reported it?
May 06 21:21:55 <Chiku> maybe not so buggy
May 06 21:21:55 <SpeedEvil> hmm
May 06 21:22:11 <SpeedEvil> iplayer on the n900 is actually usable.
May 06 21:22:44 <Chiku> or nokia want to lose asian market
May 06 21:24:16 <Trewas> was the leaked version actually the same that ships with HK n900?
May 06 21:24:39 <DocScrutinizer> honestly - Nokia probably found the HK 1.2 being 'good enough' to start rollout at HK, but it's probably not such a leap ahead yet from 1.1.1 to justify a worldwide release. I'm appreciating that reasoning, and probably HK users do as well, and all the "where's my 1.2??!!eleven" fools should too
May 06 21:24:56 <Chiku> when hk pr released
May 06 21:25:20 <javispedro> are you even sure the HK release has anything to do at all with our releases?
May 06 21:25:20 <Joonas> what is HK?
May 06 21:25:34 <Chiku> hong kong
May 06 21:25:36 <javispedro> for all we know, their definition of "1.2" might be completely different to our definition of 1.2
May 06 21:25:52 <Chiku> you mean hk 1.2 is 1.1.2 ? :)
May 06 21:25:54 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: of course I'm not
May 06 21:26:18 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: ack
May 06 21:26:35 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: I pointed at that fact several times
May 06 21:26:47 <kokosz> that dude from Nokia ... Arsi Jaki or something is running 1.2....read his blog....you peeps know which one?
May 06 21:26:48 <javispedro> but nobody listens... I know that :)
May 06 21:27:20 <javispedro> "dude from Nokia" is head of maemo devices
May 06 21:27:51 <DocScrutinizer> and his name is Ari Jaksi afaik
May 06 21:28:05 <lcuk> meego devices *
May 06 21:28:18 <SpeedEvil> 1.2 may not be the leaked 1.2
May 06 21:28:23 <DocScrutinizer> Arsi sounds rather odd
May 06 21:28:54 <MohammadAG_> was tmo pushed off a cliff?
May 06 21:29:05 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG_: hopefully?
May 06 21:29:43 <DocScrutinizer> I guess that leaked crap has NOWHERE written 1.2 on it
May 06 21:30:14 <DocScrutinizer> there's no cliff high enough for tmo
May 06 21:31:05 <middleearthradio> greetings. anyone aware of any efforts to attempt to port kwordquiz to the Nokia n900? If not, any up front caveats I should be aware of in attempting to port it over to n900? thanks.
May 06 21:31:32 <kokosz> Arsi...Ari... whomever. .. he has the true 1.2
May 06 21:32:16 <DocScrutinizer> and I have a N980 prototype board - so what?
May 06 21:32:29 <MohammadAG_> <javispedro> "dude from Nokia" is head of maemo (s/maemo/meego) devices
May 06 21:32:41 <lbt> kokosz: did he get it from a chinese site though?
May 06 21:32:43 <kokosz> lucky him
May 06 21:33:23 <kokosz> if that Ari dude is running 1.2 it must be close to releasing no?
May 06 21:33:32 <Shapeshifter> ...
May 06 21:33:43 <Shapeshifter> kokosz: go drink some warm milk and relax
May 06 21:33:46 * DocScrutinizer really wonders what *** practics kokosz intends to undertake 'his' 1.2 once he gets hands on it
May 06 21:33:57 <javispedro> 1.2 will end world hunger!
May 06 21:34:01 <javispedro> and cure cancer!
May 06 21:34:03 <MohammadAG_> PR1.2 testing builds might have begun since january....
May 06 21:34:07 <lbt> is it out then?
May 06 21:34:14 <MohammadAG_> *facepalm*
May 06 21:34:14 <Shapeshifter> javispedro: but can it cure cancer in portrait mode?
May 06 21:34:21 <SpeedEvil1> kokosz: People were almost certainly running '1.2' release candidates a month or two after 1.1.1 came out
May 06 21:34:22 * DocScrutinizer SIGHS
May 06 21:34:26 <MohammadAG_> Shapeshifter, no, but it runs Crysis
May 06 21:34:34 <MohammadAG_> how about someone sets mode +m here :P
May 06 21:34:35 <Shapeshifter> sweet
May 06 21:34:45 <javispedro> in fact, people at nokia at this point are running 1.3~git+1.4modest
May 06 21:35:16 <GAN900> javispedro, MeeGo devices.
May 06 21:35:25 <GAN900> javispedro, also, MeeGo operations
May 06 21:35:30 <kokosz> do you peeps have the link to that dude's site? Ari or whatwever???
May 06 21:35:33 <GAN900> We've come full circle!
May 06 21:35:38 <javispedro> I've been corrected thrice! what's this meego you're speaking about!
May 06 21:35:52 <GAN900> kokosz, http://jaaksi.blogspot.com
May 06 21:35:54 <MohammadAG_> he's head of MeeGo devices :P
May 06 21:36:10 <kokosz> GAN900: thanks
May 06 21:36:14 <Trizt> is there a body?
May 06 21:36:37 <DocScrutinizer> corpse?
May 06 21:37:02 <DocScrutinizer> bah, boozetime
May 06 21:37:34 <Trewas> why I think pr1.2 matters is that that maybe some software makers could give a flying fuck about n900 after pr1.2 with qt4.6 is available, now pretty much nobody seems interested in making software to it
May 06 21:37:43 <tybollt> hmm looks to be Cameron in a hung parliament after all eh?
May 06 21:38:05 <DocScrutinizer> Trewas: orly??
May 06 21:38:05 <Shapeshifter> huh, what's this http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YaAt2fURNNU/S30jNW9SimI/AAAAAAAAALs/riyEWoXWOKQ/s1600/Screenshot-20100214-173750.png
May 06 21:38:08 <tybollt> I'll give it a year before we'll see a reelection
May 06 21:38:09 * Trizt thinks he sees new applications almost every day
May 06 21:38:17 <Shapeshifter> ah wait, I think I saw that in ovi store once
May 06 21:38:20 <Trewas> DocScrutinizer: jalry!
May 06 21:38:38 <Shapeshifter> the "i" in the lower left corner gives it away as one of the *-touch apps
May 06 21:38:40 <tybollt> Shapeshifter: doubt you're doing 801km/h
May 06 21:38:45 <tybollt> REALLY doubt it :)
May 06 21:38:47 <Shapeshifter> tybollt: that's from aris blog
May 06 21:38:51 <Shapeshifter> in a plane
May 06 21:38:58 <tybollt> oh ok :)
May 06 21:39:10 <tybollt> plane would make sense of course ;)
May 06 21:40:20 <pancake> im using sdl in n900, but every click i get some invalid MOUSEMOTION events
May 06 21:40:28 <javispedro> "invalid"?
May 06 21:40:45 <pancake> well. i get like 3 mousemotion events in different positions
May 06 21:41:05 <javispedro> that doesn't seem invalid; this is a touch screen we're talking about.
May 06 21:41:20 <pancake> but it's a click
May 06 21:41:24 <javispedro> not really
May 06 21:41:26 <javispedro> think of it
May 06 21:41:37 <javispedro> if the sequence were mousedown -> mousemotion to correct position
May 06 21:41:43 <lcuk> pancake, log the mousemotion events and press once in the centre of the screen
May 06 21:41:44 <pancake> i was testing it with the pen
May 06 21:41:48 <lcuk> and pastebin the result
May 06 21:41:51 <javispedro> every tap would read as a drag event
May 06 21:41:58 <lcuk> just once as close to 400,240 as you can
May 06 21:42:02 <pancake> i already did that test, let me ssh again
May 06 21:42:13 <lcuk> lets see how "invalid" you mean
May 06 21:42:26 <pancake> :)
May 06 21:43:01 <lcuk> pancake, it will just hep us understand
May 06 21:43:05 <lcuk> help
May 06 21:44:41 <lcuk> javispedro, have you seen what MohammadAG_ did?
May 06 21:44:45 <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3pvdFpA1II
May 06 21:45:21 <javispedro> heh
May 06 21:45:34 <pancake> yep
May 06 21:45:36 <pancake> im using sdl 1.3
May 06 21:45:38 <lcuk> neat little effect
May 06 21:46:14 <DocScrutinizer> alas conflicts a little with mce
May 06 21:46:23 <lcuk> its fun
May 06 21:46:36 <lcuk> afaik doesnt r&d mode do something similar
May 06 21:46:43 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 06 21:46:45 <lcuk> just for a practical purpose
May 06 21:47:06 <MohammadAG_> <DocScrutinizer> alas conflicts a little with mce
May 06 21:47:08 <javispedro> yep
May 06 21:47:12 <MohammadAG_> nope, bypassed it :)
May 06 21:47:26 <DocScrutinizer> I doubt
May 06 21:47:28 <MohammadAG_> old version killed mce
May 06 21:47:37 <MohammadAG_> now it just kills the engine and restores it later
May 06 21:47:53 <DocScrutinizer> probably you can spoil the pattern by pressing arbitrary key, but hey, sow what
May 06 21:48:09 <pancake> http://lolcathost.org/b/log
May 06 21:48:11 <MohammadAG_> echo disabled > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/engine3_mode and echo 0 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/leds\:lp5523\:kb*/brightness  to shut off all the LEDs
May 06 21:48:13 <pancake> 2 clicks log
May 06 21:48:25 <MohammadAG_> sliding the keyboard while it's running otoh...
May 06 21:48:47 <MohammadAG_> btw for some reason, when running mce the LEDs turn off 1 second after echoing, if mce is off, they stay on
May 06 21:48:49 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, hes gonna have it lighting nearest key
May 06 21:49:06 <lcuk> pancake, where on the screen did you actually click
May 06 21:49:16 <MohammadAG_> lcuk, when I figure out how to detect keystrokes in python I'll do that ;)
May 06 21:49:20 <DocScrutinizer> mce is restoring the engine3 whenever a kbd event or timeout event would cause kbd backlight to come up or go dim
May 06 21:49:21 <MohammadAG_> still googling around
May 06 21:49:28 <PhonicUK> hey everyoen
May 06 21:49:29 <pancake> in the place where down says
May 06 21:49:31 <pancake> (x,y)
May 06 21:49:32 <MohammadAG_> yep
May 06 21:49:40 <PhonicUK> hey MohammadAG, hows your little experiment go?
May 06 21:49:41 <lcuk> ok, so the initial tap is actually correct
May 06 21:49:46 <lcuk> it just wanders immediately?
May 06 21:49:55 <lcuk> you dont make a stroke motion?
May 06 21:49:58 <lcuk> manually
May 06 21:50:00 <pancake> no
May 06 21:50:02 <MohammadAG_> not bad, although it's not tied to a VU, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3pvdFpA1II
May 06 21:50:03 <lcuk> its a tap tap
May 06 21:50:06 <pancake> just click
May 06 21:50:35 <PhonicUK> awesome
May 06 21:50:47 <PhonicUK> that a script or app?
May 06 21:50:56 <MohammadAG_> will add this to the wiki later http://pastebin.com/k0kY0s1x
May 06 21:51:07 <MohammadAG_> script, .sh, lcuk helped, as usual :)
May 06 21:51:13 <PhonicUK> and me too ^_^
May 06 21:51:27 <MohammadAG_> lol, when I tie it to the VU I'll say that :P
May 06 21:51:31 <MohammadAG_> thanks though :P
May 06 21:51:31 <PhonicUK> :P
May 06 21:51:34 <PhonicUK> yw
May 06 21:51:59 <pancake> lcuk: any idea?
May 06 21:52:57 <lcuk> pancake, so you first clicked in bottom right of screen
May 06 21:53:04 <lcuk> then second click was top left
May 06 21:53:13 <lcuk> in the centre of the quadrant basically
May 06 21:53:22 <javispedro> the issue here is the big offset between the position reported by mousedown event and position reported by mouseup
May 06 21:53:39 <javispedro> ofc it seems weird sdl1.3 would cause such an offset.
May 06 21:53:54 <pancake> 2nd click is top right
May 06 21:54:00 <lcuk> sorry yes
May 06 21:54:09 <lcuk> does it do this normally
May 06 21:54:17 <lcuk> ie can you use your screen in sketch etc?
May 06 21:54:23 <lcuk> JUST TRY IT
May 06 21:54:25 <pancake> yes
May 06 21:54:30 <lcuk> -CAPS
May 06 21:54:52 <lcuk> because if you had an n810 i would say check for grit
May 06 21:54:56 <lcuk> around the bezel
May 06 21:55:31 <lcuk> can you draw the points it makes and save framebuffer?
May 06 21:56:01 <pancake> ye i can write this
May 06 21:56:08 <pancake> will take a while
May 06 21:56:13 <pancake> dunno if tehre's any example somewhere
May 06 21:56:15 <PhonicUK> has anyone done an edge test on the N900 touchscreen?
May 06 21:56:23 <javispedro> are you for any reason using multiple fingers?
May 06 21:56:23 <lcuk> yeah phonic
May 06 21:56:37 <PhonicUK> howd it come out?
May 06 21:56:56 <lcuk> it works
May 06 21:57:26 <PhonicUK> is there a vid somewhere?
May 06 21:59:06 <lcuk> PhonicUK, have you not got yourself a 900
May 06 21:59:10 <PhonicUK> of course :P
May 06 21:59:17 <lcuk> then make a vid :P
May 06 21:59:23 <PhonicUK> lol
May 06 22:02:01 <PhonicUK> omg warzone2100?
May 06 22:02:02 <PhonicUK> no way
May 06 22:03:12 <PhonicUK> anyone know what the package is called?
May 06 22:03:13 <PhonicUK> i cant find it
May 06 22:04:16 <MohammadAG_> <PhonicUK> anyone know what the package is called? < ?
May 06 22:04:22 <PhonicUK> for Warzone 2100
May 06 22:04:37 <MohammadAG_> oh
May 06 22:05:03 <PhonicUK> i wanna play it
May 06 22:05:43 <javispedro> arggh
May 06 22:06:47 <lcuk> oh fiddlesticks
May 06 22:06:56 <lcuk> my desktop icons have vanished on ubuntu
May 06 22:07:07 <lcuk> anyone know what console incantation i need to poke to get em back
May 06 22:07:27 <lcuk> something randomly crashes
May 06 22:07:32 <javispedro> nautilus
May 06 22:09:18 <tybollt> that's kinda linux desktop for you
May 06 22:09:33 <tybollt> "ooops something randomly crashed taking half the desktop w/ it..."
May 06 22:11:14 <kevloral> hi all
May 06 22:12:09 <SpeedEvil> hi
May 06 22:18:16 <MohammadAG_> <lcuk> my desktop icons have vanished on ubuntu
May 06 22:18:20 <MohammadAG_> nautilus crashed
May 06 22:18:41 <MohammadAG_> or you killed it
May 06 22:18:48 * MohammadAG_ switches to the other nick
May 06 22:18:50 <lcuk> w00t yeah :)D
May 06 22:18:55 <lcuk> thanks MohammadAG_
May 06 22:19:03 <lcuk> restarted it with nautilus &
May 06 22:19:09 <MohammadAG_> :)
May 06 22:19:27 <MohammadAGpingth> meh
May 06 22:26:40 <pancake> yeah
May 06 22:26:41 <pancake> fixed :D
May 06 22:27:04 <javispedro> pancake: so what was it?
May 06 22:27:10 <pancake> in touchscreens
May 06 22:27:24 <pancake> the mousedown x,y is the one from the previous movement
May 06 22:27:35 <pancake> so, you then get the new position
May 06 22:27:49 <javispedro> that might be actually a bug.
May 06 22:28:00 <pancake> yes
May 06 22:28:12 <pancake> i will add a compile-time option
May 06 22:28:22 <javispedro> as I was explaining ideally you should to motion event first THEN the down event.
May 06 22:28:27 <pancake> but maybe nice to do it at runtime..but fixing would be great
May 06 22:28:30 <javispedro> thus getting updated coordinates by the down event time.
May 06 22:29:21 <GAN900> Yo, pancake.
May 06 22:29:39 * javispedro ponders something for a moment..
May 06 22:29:47 <javispedro> uh..
May 06 22:30:07 <javispedro> nothing.
May 06 22:30:58 <markinfo> n810 - how to make "right click" ?
May 06 22:31:10 <javispedro> no universal way by default
May 06 22:31:18 <javispedro> most gtk apps -- long tap
May 06 22:32:06 <markinfo> javispedro, hm - at east skype accept that.
May 06 22:34:59 <markinfo> how to get Skype in Notification Statusbar?   "close" Button want to shutdown skype.   Pidgi works properly.
May 06 22:35:35 <PhonicUK> I wanna game like Wipeout for Maemo
May 06 22:35:51 <PhonicUK> maybe i'll learn how to use Ogre and make one
May 06 22:52:11 <markinfo> OS2008  ... /var/log   is completely empty. Where are logs? or must be activated?
May 06 22:55:59 <genewitch> anyone around today that can help me with the n800 RSS feed reader?
May 06 22:56:23 <javispedro> markinfo: must be _installed_, as by default no syslog daemon is installed.
May 06 23:00:51 <DocScrutinizer51> javispedro: which is kinda pitty
May 06 23:01:43 <C`I`A> hi
May 06 23:01:57 <markinfo> javispedro, what is the package name for syslog daemon?
May 06 23:02:23 <javispedro> http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/diablo/syslog/
May 06 23:05:57 <genewitch> The rss feed reader on the n800 stopped refreshing 8/9 of my feeds
May 06 23:06:06 <genewitch> manual or automatically.
May 06 23:10:13 <markinfo> javispedro, there is no package "sysklogd"
May 06 23:10:22 <javispedro> markinfo: you need to enable tools repository
May 06 23:10:50 <javispedro> http://maemo.org/development/tools/diablo/
May 06 23:16:02 <jd> <3
May 06 23:26:34 <javispedro> OTG state: a_idle :P
May 06 23:26:44 <javispedro>  Mode=Peripheral :(
May 06 23:32:31 <markinfo> javispedro, "Note!: To have these tools visible in the Application manager, you need to have the Red Pill Mode activated. "  link goes nowhere.
May 06 23:32:42 <javispedro> markinfo: ignore that and use apt-get
May 06 23:36:16 <N900evil> javispedro: anything more? - dsl died
May 06 23:36:37 <javispedro> nope.
May 06 23:43:31 <markinfo> javispedro, sysklog works already. Syslog is full with many messages "EAC mode:play disabled, rec disabled" every 5 seconds.
May 06 23:47:53 * GAN900 pokes javispedro.
May 06 23:48:01 <javispedro> hi
May 06 23:50:21 <kthomas_vh> way to reinstall n810 standard web browser (it seems dead)?
May 06 23:55:52 <markinfo> hm - the same Question - what is the standard browser at all? There is no name or version.
May 06 23:57:04 * SpeedEvil suffers context switching problems.
May 06 23:57:04 <SpeedEvil> markinfo: this is for n810?
May 06 23:57:12 <markinfo> yes
May 06 23:57:19 <MohammadAG> microB afaik
May 06 23:57:34 <MohammadAG> (not sure about the N8**)
May 06 23:57:46 <markinfo> I would like to have some Browser with html5 support.
May 06 23:58:44 <javispedro> Status: MHDRC, Mode=Host
May 06 23:58:47 <javispedro> inactive :(
May 06 23:58:50 <javispedro> bah
May 06 23:59:06 <javispedro> I'm not getting any interrupts whenever I plug in a self powered hub
May 06 23:59:14 <kthomas_vh> I'd like to have a browser other than FF1,  which keeps crashing :)
May 06 23:59:33 <javispedro> but as soon as I plug the n900 into the hub as a gadget, interrupt storm.
May 06 23:59:40 <javispedro> whatever the musb driver state.
May 07 00:00:31 * javispedro thinks this will require now careful reading of the isp170x datasheets
May 07 00:00:57 <markinfo> standard browser in OS2008 sends User Agent: Firefox 3.0
May 07 00:01:23 <genewitch> is there a way to reinstall stuff like the browser or the feed reader?
May 07 00:01:26 <markinfo> is there a chance for firefox 3.6?
May 07 00:01:31 <kthomas_vh> kthomas_vh:  reinstall the microbe-engine deb package using dpkg.
May 07 00:02:15 <markinfo> I heard about Fenec browser.
May 07 00:02:42 <genewitch> none of the browsers work for me except the stock one in os2008
May 07 00:02:48 <genewitch> midori and the other webkit one
May 07 00:03:25 <markinfo> Who is doing software for OS2008 at all? Or preparig packages?
May 07 00:03:32 <genewitch> no idea
May 07 00:06:38 <markinfo> are there some maintainers like in Debian?
May 07 00:08:57 <markinfo> genewitch, midori is very old version in repositories.
May 07 00:10:17 <MohammadAG> javispedro, so... host mode didn't work for you?
May 07 00:10:45 <javispedro> MohammadAG: I'm just trying to break it, nothing new.
May 07 00:13:54 <markinfo> and webkit is also very old version  from 2008 year.
May 07 00:14:32 <markinfo> is there a way how to get newer versions of programs on n810?
May 07 00:24:10 <javispedro> hey, at least, I broke charging already.
May 07 00:24:19 <markinfo> genewitch, Fennec browser on n810    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoMBp9uFf3s&feature=related
May 07 00:26:46 <lcuk> supposing i have written a simple app in python
May 07 00:27:07 <lcuk> it cleanly uses pyqt api and has class based structure
May 07 00:27:28 <lcuk> is it possible to examine the python execution model and produce a c++ representation of that code
May 07 00:27:47 <lcuk> for clean compilation and transfer to a regular fast c++ binary
May 07 00:28:12 <janneg> lcuk: there's shedskin
May 07 00:28:20 <lcuk> ?
May 07 00:28:22 <lcuk> an app?
May 07 00:28:35 <janneg> it probably can't handle pyqt
May 07 00:28:36 <lcuk> :D
May 07 00:28:44 <lcuk> well that can be examined
May 07 00:28:48 <janneg> it's an restricted python to C++ compiler
May 07 00:28:51 <lcuk> ive got code here that needs to be native
May 07 00:28:57 <lcuk> i can grep the resulting stuff and fix it
May 07 00:29:05 <lcuk> but i want the basic structure to come from it
May 07 00:29:14 <lcuk> nice, thanks for the tip jenn
May 07 00:29:18 <lcuk> janneg,
May 07 00:29:35 <janneg> http://shed-skin.blogspot.com/
May 07 00:29:59 <lcuk> yeah im on there now
May 07 00:30:16 <lcuk> thats a really good tip :) im gonna post it on the python speedups page
May 07 00:30:34 <lcuk> its not a solution for everything, but if it saves the "getting started" part of converting a slow branch
May 07 00:30:37 <lcuk> it will be worth it
May 07 00:30:59 <Myrtti> right, I'm officially calling my attempts to do HD video editing on my Dell Latitude Laptop with Linux applications vain and futile...
May 07 00:31:52 <Myrtti> sorry if I've kept people waiting for the Linux Collaboration Summit Meego Workgroup videos
May 07 00:35:05 <markinfo> what is      /pub/mozilla.org/mobile/repos/1.9.2_en-US/dists/chinook/       "chinook" like squeeze in debian?
May 07 00:37:29 <SpeedEvil> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=961876 - todays 'hacking is cool' post. Truly small fly.
May 07 00:41:55 <Myrtti> markinfo: it's like hardy/intrepid/jaunty etc in Ubuntu (the comparison to Ubuntu in this sense fits better since Maemo certainly isn't a rolling release thing)
May 07 00:46:04 <markinfo> hm - I have OS2008 - that is not "chinook" ?
May 07 00:47:04 <MohammadAG> diablo
May 07 00:47:08 <MohammadAG> iirc
May 07 00:51:09 <javispedro> OS2008 is chinook, OS2008 Feature Pack is Diablo
May 07 00:54:31 <Termana> good morning
May 07 01:17:29 <DocScrutinizer> wtf? quiet earth?
May 07 01:17:44 <MohammadAG> echo
May 07 01:30:05 <MohammadAG> i'm off
May 07 01:30:07 <MohammadAG> Night all
May 07 01:39:08 <DocScrutinizer> goodnight
May 07 01:52:02 * DocScrutinizer waves
May 07 01:52:52 <dAnIeLLL> ^^
May 07 01:55:34 <GAN900> Myrtti, it's OK, even roblimo agrees.
May 07 01:55:34 <DocScrutinizer> vv
May 07 01:56:24 <DocScrutinizer> EHLO GAN900
May 07 01:56:38 <GAN900> Howdy, DocScrutinizer.
May 07 01:56:42 <GAN900> How's kicks?
May 07 01:56:59 <DocScrutinizer> powerbutton borked - - - pissed
May 07 01:57:58 <DocScrutinizer> though I learn how to engage it even while it's messed up
May 07 02:00:09 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: pondering to get a devel device dedicated to messing around with host mode -watching your karma and thinking "screw it"
May 07 02:02:02 * DocScrutinizer wonders how tmo is contributing to friggin karma, or if karma is a worthwhile currency for anything at all
May 07 02:04:46 <DocScrutinizer> anyway swamped... cya
May 07 02:06:45 <javispedro> bah.
May 07 02:06:56 <javispedro> this is too hard
May 07 02:07:03 <GAN900> lol
May 07 02:07:28 <GAN900> javispedro, use your council powers to extort the required info from Nokia!
May 07 02:07:32 <DocScrutinizer> eh?
May 07 02:07:57 <javispedro> so I set up the isp1707 registers conveniently
May 07 02:08:06 <javispedro> disabling DM and DP pull downs,
May 07 02:08:15 <DocScrutinizer> sorry dudes, seems I'm not able to keep up with it
May 07 02:08:26 <DocScrutinizer> right now
May 07 02:08:33 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: Any change in impedence/voltage?
May 07 02:08:34 <javispedro> and after a few picoseconds the entire phy shuts off, and all I get while trying to use ulpi are timeouts
May 07 02:08:36 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: waht??
May 07 02:08:40 <SpeedEvil> hmm
May 07 02:09:08 <DocScrutinizer> friggin shit
May 07 02:09:24 <shinkamui> hmm
May 07 02:09:28 <shinkamui> things are looking great
May 07 02:09:38 <shinkamui> at this point, I think Im gonna port over to tmobile US and buy the mugen battery
May 07 02:09:41 <DocScrutinizer> shinkamui: sure
May 07 02:09:54 <DocScrutinizer> shinkamui: fine
May 07 02:09:56 <shinkamui> docscrutinizer whats wrong G?
May 07 02:10:15 <shinkamui> did I miss something interesting?
May 07 02:10:28 <DocScrutinizer> +q or reasonable contribution?
May 07 02:11:02 <shinkamui> well, Im asking, I just logged into my bnc to chatter a little and you seem to be a little sarcastic
May 07 02:11:07 <shinkamui> so Im wondering if I said something wrong
May 07 02:11:09 <DocScrutinizer> naAAAH g'nite
May 07 02:11:13 <javispedro> :)
May 07 02:11:18 <javispedro> gnite.
May 07 02:11:23 <shinkamui> lol, ok then gnight
May 07 02:11:24 <Myrtti> GAN900: agrees on what?
May 07 02:11:35 <GAN900> Myrtti, that Linux video editing sucks.
May 07 02:11:44 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: please either post to friggin tmo, or ping me tomorrow
May 07 02:11:46 <GAN900> Myrtti, what he told me at FLS, anyway.
May 07 02:11:49 <shinkamui> so... has anyone used the jawbone icon yet?
May 07 02:12:15 <shinkamui> I hate bt headsets, but I really think wiht that + my 900, I found a winning combo
May 07 02:12:31 <shinkamui> my 8month cellular turnaround might be over...
May 07 02:12:49 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: will do
May 07 02:12:55 <DocScrutinizer> thanks
May 07 02:13:32 <Myrtti> GAN900: I did honestly try to give some apps a fair shot. My laptop just had an apoplexy and decided that it didn't want to play ball
May 07 02:15:20 <DocScrutinizer> meanwhile council might consider to support my yet to come application at Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue
May 07 02:15:58 <DocScrutinizer> I'm fed up with borking hardware, and my daily phone failing when I need it
May 07 02:16:35 <shinkamui> doc: whats happening?
May 07 02:17:47 <SpeedEvil> His button fell off.
May 07 02:19:38 <shinkamui> roh noes!
May 07 02:19:48 <shinkamui> power button?
May 07 02:20:00 <shinkamui> damn
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