**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 07 02:59:56 2010 May 07 05:50:37 Morning Maemo! May 07 05:50:58 morn May 07 05:51:02 Morning =) May 07 05:52:10 :) May 07 05:58:44 hi i have a astupid question: how do you add your software to bugzilla May 07 05:59:06 asking andre usually May 07 06:00:14 sometimes i play movies on a tv from my n900. Is there a way to control the playback with a wiimote? May 07 06:00:30 Stskeeps thanks for the info May 07 06:00:49 just found a correct wiki page May 07 06:10:33 Hi May 07 06:10:50 How does one install a .deb on N900\ May 07 06:12:14 I have compiled a test application into a debian package with target armel. I have copied the debian package to my N900 from my PC May 07 06:12:22 How do I install it May 07 06:13:10 sudo dpkg -i your_package.deb? May 07 06:14:21 it asks for root password May 07 06:14:24 ? May 07 06:14:33 sudo gainroot May 07 06:14:39 after that dpkg .... May 07 06:14:50 How do I install rootsh? May 07 06:14:58 use HAM May 07 06:15:03 application manager May 07 06:16:06 I am having trouble getting updates from the App manager May 07 06:16:20 So I downloaded the rootsh.install file May 07 06:16:53 you have to use application manager I think May 07 06:16:54 I tried to click on it to install, it opens app manager May 07 06:17:03 and I get unable to find package May 07 06:17:05 error May 07 06:17:29 do you have connection to internet? May 07 06:17:36 yes wifi May 07 06:18:01 there is something wrong with your application manager then May 07 06:18:04 finally got bt keyboard working properly May 07 06:18:09 Do I need to make any connection settings in app manager ? May 07 06:18:31 there is no such settings May 07 06:18:53 Coz when I say 'update' from app manager, it throws proxy auth required ... May 07 06:19:13 theres your problem:network May 07 06:19:29 I am able to browse sites though May 07 06:19:34 do you use proxy? May 07 06:19:37 yes May 07 06:19:47 http is different than app manager May 07 06:20:09 so the problem is that ham doesnt like your connection May 07 06:20:15 I have set proxy details in internet connections May 07 06:20:17 ohh May 07 06:21:54 the proxy probably restricts the connectivity of ham May 07 06:22:35 Is there no offline way to install apps? May 07 06:25:09 anyone change the softvol of mplayer? is 400 safe? May 07 06:44:16 Manjiri, dpkg can install apps from .deb packages May 07 06:45:05 nm yes it is safe May 07 06:45:49 soo... I was thinking of mapping sftp drive to n900 media folders for wireless sync, but since the eMMC is still mounted, is that safe? May 07 06:46:18 I know, but I either need pwd or rootsh installed May 07 06:50:40 oh, you got kinda chicken-egg problem there May 07 06:51:21 I Know zokier. May 07 06:52:09 Is it true that Applcation manager on N900 has trouble with proxies? May 07 07:05:53 Depressing May 07 07:06:19 mm? May 07 07:07:13 anyone using fmms with 3(Sweden) ? May 07 07:11:03 UK Politics :) May 07 07:17:38 ...and good mourning to you all May 07 07:18:48 updated the wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Bluetooth_Keyboard_Layout#Starting_daemon_script_automaticallyhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Bluetooth_Keyboard_Layout#Starting_daemon_script_automaticall May 07 07:19:14 double paste May 07 07:19:33 pastetacular May 07 07:43:14 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=647513&postcount=761 May 07 07:43:21 scary, they're actually pulling some form of usb host off May 07 07:43:41 scary? :P May 07 07:43:52 you should read the discussions May 07 07:43:52 :P May 07 07:45:14 Yeah, I'll wait until they get it working before I start messing with the most important connector on the device :D May 07 07:46:53 Stskeeps, if it gets to a working state we need to poke Nokia :P May 07 07:47:01 about bme May 07 07:47:25 i'm more pondering if the usb host advertisement was actually a challenge to recruit people May 07 07:47:28 :P May 07 07:47:47 ah well May 07 07:47:59 Might also be an idea to check out how far the Droid people got with host mode May 07 07:48:08 iirc they were also having problems May 07 07:48:46 heya ShadowJK, Stskeeps May 07 07:48:50 Evil USB hackers May 07 07:51:27 I want usb host!!! =) May 07 07:52:02 o_O Stskeeps usb host? what what? May 07 07:53:09 is there a videocamera app for the n900? May 07 07:53:28 a what? May 07 07:55:22 sjk: I'm gussing fraggeln means the camcorder mode of the camera app :-) May 07 07:57:11 I was going to ask if he means something that does exactly the same thing as the camera app.. May 07 07:57:34 =) May 07 07:57:55 admitedly it's not very easy to "find" the camcorder mode... May 07 07:58:13 it's not super obvious May 07 08:04:48 y helo thar! May 07 08:17:58 I don't think much of the new government. My DSL fell over at 9am. May 07 08:18:24 you guys formed a govt? May 07 08:19:43 huh May 07 08:25:22 no they did not May 07 08:26:24 ShadowJK: Stskeeps: fun May 07 08:28:09 If the vusb wasn't from the 1707 - then I can't imagine it had a stable vcc May 07 08:28:14 vusb May 07 08:28:32 If the boost cap of the twl4030 isn't there - it can't provide any boost May 07 08:32:06 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=647624&postcount=762 May 07 08:32:35 DocScrutinizer: http://tinyurl.com/nnt34l , ' May 07 08:32:35 Senior Electronics Engineer, MeeGo UI HW Techologies team May 07 08:32:36 ' May 07 08:32:42 DocScrutinizer: might be of interest to you (go look at it) May 07 08:33:26 DocScrutinizer: indeed May 07 08:34:31 If this is the case, then VBUS is going to be very low - under 3V? || Can we connect +5V on VBUS directly? May 07 08:47:27 yes, easily May 07 08:47:29 externally May 07 08:51:23 How can i get screen locking disabled while charging? May 07 08:51:42 there is a 'screen stays on when charging' May 07 08:52:15 That is screen stays lit May 07 08:52:19 I want the screen lock disabled May 07 08:52:37 far as I know - no such thing May 07 08:52:53 3rd party app? May 07 08:53:13 TigerTael: Do you know of any? May 07 08:53:44 not me ;/ May 07 08:53:48 adisbladis: ah - I don't have lock on May 07 09:00:18 Also, DocScrutinizer tested and proved we can get stable +5V onto VBUS from the battery charger chip (bq24150) May 07 09:01:09 However, bme wants to have nothing of it, and kills it pretty soon. And if you halt bme, the system reboots pretty soon. May 07 09:01:24 does anyone else have issues with the N900 and wifi? it connects to the router fine, but after a while just stops working - says its still connected, but MicroB cant load pages etc. disconnecting and reconnecting the wifi works for a time and then it stops again. no other system is having this issue with the same router May 07 09:01:47 Hopefully if the USB side starts working, we can convince sts to go jab some nokia people to let us have a bme that allows us to run the battery charger in reverse :D May 07 09:01:49 RichardP: Yes, yes indeed May 07 09:02:11 ShadowJK: indeed. May 07 09:02:28 sjk: Run the battery charger in reverse? What in the name of hell are you on to? May 07 09:02:31 ShadowJK: But that's quite irrelevant for testing, as you can simply apply 5v externally May 07 09:02:40 sjk May 07 09:02:46 tybollt: the battery charger has a output voltage boost mode May 07 09:02:49 I have something similar, where if I'm in weak signal, microb will think it's offline and everything else keeps working with lag May 07 09:03:13 tybollt: where it takes the battery voltage and outputs it on USB boosted, not charges the battery May 07 09:03:28 tybollt, as it happens the battery charger chip (in N900) has a bonus feature... it can take battery voltage and output +5V :-) May 07 09:04:21 As opposed to the usual operation of taking +5V and making it into 3.2 ... 4.2V and putting it into the battery :) May 07 09:04:28 This is an inherent design of the chip, and requires no extra components May 07 09:04:29 oh May 07 09:04:45 so turbo-charging the bat? May 07 09:05:12 no May 07 09:05:27 it's simply using it to supply the external USB socket for host/otg mode May 07 09:05:33 (or designed to) May 07 09:05:38 ah olrite May 07 09:05:45 OTG of course can't work here. May 07 09:06:22 I thought (admittedly didn't research this) there were pins/wires missing for the full kahuna? May 07 09:06:28 ya May 07 09:06:31 It depends. May 07 09:06:33 full kahuna being OTG May 07 09:06:39 OTG can't work - there isn't enough pins May 07 09:06:41 but nobody gives a shit about OTH May 07 09:06:46 OTG* May 07 09:06:50 USB host mode doesn't mind May 07 09:06:58 The special cables are damn near impossible to find anyway :) May 07 09:06:58 it depends? *HEADEXPLODE* May 07 09:07:01 THERE ARE FOUR WIRES! May 07 09:07:05 (sorry) May 07 09:08:06 so ol it requires is the firmware of the chip be fixed and a magic cable and ... I can haz? May 07 09:08:17 yes May 07 09:08:29 ok, is it known whether stskeeps has a paypal account? ;) May 07 09:08:37 i don't take bribes May 07 09:08:38 :P May 07 09:08:42 ;D May 07 09:08:42 Stskeeps isn't the only one working on it. May 07 09:09:05 For $100, I'd dedicate the next week to it :) May 07 09:09:21 if there's community work showing that usb host can happen with minimal change to a closed source process, i really doubt there would be resistance to making a patch and releasing the binary. May 07 09:09:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6LjxiSzgG8&NR=1 May 07 09:10:04 Stskeeps, "minimal" is debatable :) May 07 09:10:11 serious note though... as someone (you?) wrote it... There's the USB spec thing. Nokia may get in trouble if doing this - right? May 07 09:10:36 tybollt: for user-contributed firmware not distributed on the device - clearly not May 07 09:10:51 tybollt: For example - there is already an overclock kernel in extras-devel May 07 09:11:00 there is no reason a usb-host kernel couldn't pop up May 07 09:11:06 yay, Hung Parliament May 07 09:11:14 RichardP: All of them? May 07 09:11:18 RichardP: Way to go! May 07 09:11:23 RichardP: The lords too? May 07 09:12:01 np: Sex Pistols - Anarchy in the UK. May 07 09:12:23 SpeedEvil: house of lords changed names - didn't you hear? house of corrupts now ;) May 07 09:13:17 and no I reckon as soon as clegg gets brown to step down he'll rule w/ the labour May 07 09:13:35 ehr, govern... May 07 09:13:59 Stskeeps, it depends on how bme is structured... but seeing as it likes to grope the charger chip constantly, modifying it to if(!bq24150.boostmode){ grope(); grope(); poke(); nudge(); stroke(); coo(); } else { /* Community is taking their turn, hmpfh */ } would work ;) May 07 09:14:08 tybollt: labour + libdem does not quite equal a majority May 07 09:14:30 eah it doesn't May 07 09:14:31 ShadowJK: Or of course rip BME out by the hairs. May 07 09:14:31 ouch May 07 09:15:04 tybollt: You can add the scottish and welsh nats, and get a majority - but... May 07 09:15:05 The idea of a single party having more than 50% is a frightening thought to me :P May 07 09:15:15 SpeedEvil: :) May 07 09:15:20 ShadowJK: my main reason for assuming it might work is that nokians were using usb host in the past themselves :P May 07 09:15:36 ie, as users May 07 09:15:40 Stskeeps: source? May 07 09:15:48 oh I suppose it's just the driver that's sabotaged then :) May 07 09:15:53 Stskeeps: oh - not with n900? May 07 09:15:56 SpeedEvil: not on n900 May 07 09:17:21 the other issue is, how would you deal with charging? needing a reboot or? May 07 09:17:24 anyway looking at the percentage vs the seats it is quite gross (that being said by someone in a country w/ proportional system). May 07 09:17:46 Stskeeps: insmod? May 07 09:17:48 Stskeeps: replacing BME would be one way May 07 09:17:53 tybollt: yes. May 07 09:18:01 tybollt: it's not a completely 'fair' system May 07 09:18:14 replacing bme looks a bit complicated, even fucking pulseaudio is talking to it? May 07 09:18:34 (yeah I know you'll say rip out pulseaudio..) May 07 09:18:39 Well - yes. May 07 09:18:48 that sounds a bit weird if it does May 07 09:18:48 Is there an actual good reason for that though May 07 09:18:53 well May 07 09:18:54 unless there's a power saving algo for that May 07 09:18:56 tybollt: if somebody has to form a coalition with libdems, they are almost certain to make it conditional on PR May 07 09:18:59 if pulseaudio is open - surely it is - ... May 07 09:19:05 (or to put it another way, we're working on that...) May 07 09:19:12 can't we just buy Jaaksi a boatload of KARHU and while he's busy getting drunk we go to ESPOO and implement this? May 07 09:19:42 * SpeedEvil wonders if pulseaudio is open to do charger beep or something silly May 07 09:19:45 i don't think espoo's the right place to go May 07 09:19:46 :P May 07 09:19:47 Karhu is making a 1-litre can now, 24 or so of those should do May 07 09:20:06 BCMM: which'd be the conservatives I suppose - however they are strongly opposed to it May 07 09:20:27 tybollt: they benifit from it to a lesser degree than labour does May 07 09:20:50 tybollt: (since labour has it's votes somewhat concentrated in northern inner cities) May 07 09:21:43 The "proper" way would be to move bme into kernel. Kernel has regulator device class for the boost function of bq24150, power supply and battery device classes for the rest... the USB driver could ask the charger to turn on the USB power, etc May 07 09:22:06 And theoretically all the documentation needed is available.. but I don't know of any kernel coders :) May 07 09:22:26 And Nokia is probably secretly doing this anyway (sans boost mode for usb probably) as we speak. May 07 09:23:16 ShadowJK: i wonder if there's a bme command to temporary disable bme or some other nice features May 07 09:24:05 disable everything except low battery shutdown May 07 09:24:10 that's still nice to have May 07 09:24:21 (though luke would disagree, it's his favourite issue) May 07 09:26:05 sjk: how so? May 07 09:26:37 hm? May 07 09:27:16 ShadowJK> (though luke would disagree, it's his favourite issue) May 07 09:28:13 Oh he thinks that if he can disable the low battery shutdown he'll get more batterylife May 07 09:28:40 ShadowJK: That will work once, for sure ;) May 07 09:29:04 sjk: sure but then he'll risk draining it to the point where usb-charger won't work anymore... May 07 09:29:20 X-Fade, haha. May 07 09:29:30 I remember the old WM 5 phones. May 07 09:29:31 tybollt: Even worse, the lipo itself will get damaged. May 07 09:29:32 tybollt, he'll risk draining it to the point where it catches fire if you try recharge it ;) May 07 09:29:41 ;) May 07 09:30:20 Stskeeps, so yeah, just get the relevant engineers drunk and wrestle a N810 bme without lowbattery shutdown and give it to luke, his house will catch fire and you don't have to argue with him anymore ;) May 07 09:30:40 Although N810 probably has a hardware shutdown too :( May 07 09:30:50 =))) May 07 09:31:52 sjk =) May 07 09:32:11 it has to be in firmware right? May 07 09:32:44 what is that dish like symbol that comes when i start maps..... its the gps rite, when i star maps it takes like 10 mins to establish everytime......... but when i run a program like celltowerinfo the dish symbol connects immediatly byt when i launch maps there is no data May 07 09:33:16 maybe "celltowerinfo" is only requesting rough position data without gps May 07 09:33:34 tybollt, it's either hardware or in bme, or both May 07 09:33:47 there isn't really anything like SMM on ARM.. May 07 09:33:51 has to be in hardware May 07 09:33:56 so I reckon - both May 07 09:34:32 so any idea if n900 will get new maps May 07 09:36:11 dhq: ave you tried with it outdoors in the open sky for 10 mins or so? Worst-case that should get a lock. May 07 09:36:31 i have tried May 07 09:36:44 i dont have internet on my phone May 07 09:36:55 everytime i try it takes 10 mins May 07 09:37:18 10 mins or more or sometimes doesnt even connect May 07 09:41:19 I think I pointed you to a bug last time - that's somewhat relevant May 07 09:41:20 also May 07 09:41:42 connecting the phone through wifi will also work to get a lock May 07 09:41:49 it may be more reliable after the first lock May 07 09:46:11 SpeedEvil: i dont have wifi here May 07 09:46:51 how are you talking? May 07 09:46:59 Connecting the phone over USB can be done May 07 09:47:58 man, http://www.digital-tunes.net/ is a pita to browse in microb May 07 09:48:54 on my laptop via ehternet May 07 09:49:43 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking May 07 09:50:53 hmm May 07 09:58:46 please dont kick me but is pr1.2 out tommoro May 07 09:58:55 doubtful May 07 09:59:12 its there in maemotalk May 07 09:59:55 <`0660> :P May 07 10:00:02 SpeedEvil: why do you say doubtful May 07 10:00:08 ShadowJK: Oooh. I looked at source of pulseaudio. Just reading the changelog and not looking into the sourcecode brings up two plausible reasons for it to talk to bme. May 07 10:00:24 <`0660> i trust nothing more than maemotalk :) May 07 10:00:29 ShadowJK: Turning bluetooth on and off for the audio, and the DSP May 07 10:00:44 dhq: because it hasn't come out every day for the last several months May 07 10:01:07 dint get you May 07 10:01:26 lol, dhq why you saying about pr1.2??? May 07 10:02:52 Dima_Sharihin: am i saying something wrong May 07 10:03:00 hey crashanddie May 07 10:03:05 crap dhq it was suppose to come out but since you asked they postponed it another week :( May 07 10:03:27 lol, your kidding rite May 07 10:03:46 no May 07 10:03:48 unhappy n900 users :D May 07 10:03:50 he's deadly serious May 07 10:04:07 deadly lolzzz May 07 10:04:50 then why have they moved a thread on maemo saying that "PR1.2 coming tomorrow, CONFIRMED." May 07 10:05:01 what are you laughing at? Thats the way the Ubuntu release work May 07 10:05:08 works* May 07 10:05:09 A release in the weekend, sure :) May 07 10:05:38 atleast ubuntu has a roadmap which they follow May 07 10:05:53 So does nokia. May 07 10:06:05 It's just not public May 07 10:06:15 lol thats the problem May 07 10:06:19 yes, just want to say it =) May 07 10:06:28 they can delay it as long as they want then May 07 10:06:32 I thought Eero explained it pretty well May 07 10:06:42 must be big patch if people are still doing it May 07 10:06:44 It's the fault of all those rootfs whiners! May 07 10:07:00 dhq, do you think this is unfair? May 07 10:07:02 each time you overclock a n900 they push the release one day May 07 10:07:20 hi. is ther anyway to disable showing offline contacts on n900? May 07 10:07:23 Dima_Sharihin: i really feel its unfair May 07 10:07:25 Stskeeps, haha. May 07 10:07:31 * dhq goes in a coner and cries May 07 10:07:52 iPeter-: you mean selecting "available" in contacts? May 07 10:07:54 Stskeeps, everytime you overclock an n900, DocScrutinizer loses a life May 07 10:07:54 Right now 1.1.1 is more stable than 1.2 anyway, or so they say :) May 07 10:07:58 Stskeeps, each time you overclock n900 you impending death of device on the day =) May 07 10:08:01 nokia should get PRs out more often and with smaller content May 07 10:08:14 <`0660> petteri, i agree May 07 10:08:16 (it'll still show the contacts whose "Online" status can't be known, ie. the phone contacts) May 07 10:08:28 petteri, I wouldn't like to keep reflashing my phone every 2 days. May 07 10:08:40 every time you ask about overclocking, or PR1.2, god kills an iPhone owner May 07 10:08:47 YAY May 07 10:08:53 no, wait May 07 10:08:57 TigerTael: i haven't flashed my phone ever. Why can't you update like normal people :) May 07 10:09:10 hehe May 07 10:09:24 petteri, maybe because it doesn't work for me? May 07 10:09:25 <`0660> i don't think i'll be able to make video call to my mum on sunday :/ May 07 10:09:31 <`0660> :) May 07 10:09:39 or maybe you will :) May 07 10:09:42 Let's update our phones like gentoo... every day with gcc =] May 07 10:09:45 I don't think you'll be able to make video calls with PR1.2 either ;) May 07 10:10:07 ShadowJK: the leaked version people say you can May 07 10:10:16 <`0660> i thought so too May 07 10:10:28 dhq, do they mean google talk video calls? May 07 10:10:30 or sip video calls? May 07 10:10:34 or skype video calls? May 07 10:10:46 ShadowJK: how did you find bme talking to pulse? May 07 10:10:47 <`0660> i talking about skype video calls May 07 10:10:47 google talk was bound to work May 07 10:10:54 <`0660> +'m May 07 10:10:58 considering it already works in a few instances May 07 10:11:06 SpeedEvil: libbmeipc or something like that iirc May 07 10:11:08 (n810 to n900 video calls, for example) May 07 10:11:12 or libbmerpc May 07 10:11:49 `0660: skype video calls is out of the hands of the Nokia engineers really, the Skype client needs to implement support for it, and that's about it May 07 10:12:14 oh May 07 10:12:39 ShadowJK: There are no mentions of 'bme' in http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/p/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.15-1maemo38+0m5.tar.gz - grep -ri bme shows nothing May 07 10:12:52 <`0660> crashanddie, i know, but i was under the impression that skype would be updated along with the 1.2 May 07 10:12:59 ShadowJK: I'm possibly looking in the wrong place May 07 10:13:15 ShadowJK: (for the source - I'm confident that it's not in the source) May 07 10:13:16 what bout 3g video calling May 07 10:13:19 anything bout that May 07 10:13:51 <`0660> i haven't seen any skype updates outside of major releases at least... May 07 10:13:52 hi May 07 10:14:27 # cat /proc/$(pidof pulseaudio)/maps | grep bme | head -1 May 07 10:14:28 40c98000-40c9a000 r-xp 00000000 fe:01 336123 /usr/lib/libbmeipc.so.0 May 07 10:14:45 dhq, I don't think that will EVER come :) May 07 10:14:53 check which one of the modules uses it May 07 10:15:47 ShadowJK: you are so confident .......... Dont know wht nokia released an incomplete OS May 07 10:16:16 I think it's complete as it is :) May 07 10:16:30 bike almost ready for the season http://imgur.com/OFbkV.jpg :D May 07 10:17:20 ~curse nokia May 07 10:17:42 what did they do wrong this time hrw May 07 10:17:56 ShadowJK: Complete?? you gotta be joking May 07 10:18:29 TomaszD: same as usual May 07 10:18:34 ~ping May 07 10:18:34 ~pong May 07 10:18:59 hrw, developing in a secret bunker, away from your prying eyes? ;) May 07 10:19:11 TomaszD: haha ha ;) May 07 10:19:57 TomaszD: what kind of biking do you do with that thing? May 07 10:20:21 crashanddie, it's a typical cheap MTB converted to a road bike May 07 10:20:35 so mostly bike lines, there's lots of them here May 07 10:20:44 hmm May 07 10:20:47 new tires, new seat, some misc. accessories May 07 10:20:49 why not get a road bike then? May 07 10:21:00 because I'm a cheapskate May 07 10:21:12 and tires weren't cheap anyway ;) May 07 10:22:05 well, they're only like what, 15-20 quid? May 07 10:22:13 That's quite cheap May 07 10:22:35 tires cost me 31 GBP if that's your preferred currency May 07 10:22:52 http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Schwalbe_Big_Apple_MTB_Tyre/5360007847/ :) May 07 10:23:16 I got them cheaper than that then May 07 10:23:22 they're awesome May 07 10:23:33 quiet, good grip, low rolling resistance May 07 10:23:54 TomaszD: that's 18 quid for both :P May 07 10:24:00 oh May 07 10:24:04 how do i check my front cam working May 07 10:24:10 dhq: mirror app May 07 10:24:14 dhq: download healthcheck May 07 10:24:16 crashanddie, are you sure? May 07 10:24:27 crashanddie, I don't think you're right May 07 10:24:27 TomaszD: yeah, I've bought heaps of tyres on wiggle May 07 10:24:41 it says "tyre" not "tyres" May 07 10:25:21 36 GBP would be a reasonable price for two in UK I guess May 07 10:25:56 hi. is ther anyway to disable showing offline contacts on n900? like it shows only online contacts May 07 10:26:16 in contacts press app menu and "availability" or smth? May 07 10:26:18 iPeter-, in the address book? No. But you can sort by availability May 07 10:26:31 okay damn May 07 10:26:37 TomaszD: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/tags/bike/ May 07 10:26:42 so that available, then busy, then away contact are first, then the rest May 07 10:27:48 crashanddie, what I've learned these past few days that you can sink unbelievable amounts of money into a bike May 07 10:27:54 so I'm trying to avoid that May 07 10:27:55 :) May 07 10:28:14 yeah May 07 10:28:32 I got that bike for 700 GBP May 07 10:28:49 see, that's car money May 07 10:29:35 then I changed the tyres, wheels, got a dynamo hub in the front wheel, built the light, changed the seat, shaved off around 1.8kg in total off the weight of the bike May 07 10:29:49 oh yeah, pedals as well May 07 10:29:52 got SPDs May 07 10:30:04 there's so many possibilities it's not even funny May 07 10:30:11 see you guys May 07 10:30:15 later May 07 10:30:41 I've spent >50GBP this season and probably doubled what my bike is worth May 07 10:30:55 the best spent money was on the seat though May 07 10:31:15 the previous one I had was... agonizing May 07 10:31:16 good tyres is where you see the biggest improvement May 07 10:31:25 I guess seat is important as well if you're not often out of it May 07 10:31:39 yeah, for a road bike it's important May 07 10:31:43 not so much for a MTB May 07 10:32:03 but well, I'm a mtber, so I'm out of my seat most of the time, especially considering I don't have a dampening fork yet May 07 10:32:35 crashanddie: x-county or downhill? May 07 10:32:47 I tried downhill in a ski slope May 07 10:32:50 almost killed me May 07 10:33:00 well, proper downhill is dangerous if you don't have the proper bike for it May 07 10:33:05 now a days on c-country :) May 07 10:33:08 I do a bit of it, but only on slopes that I know May 07 10:33:11 crashanddie: bingo May 07 10:33:31 or if I do downhill slops, very slow, and with a nice orange jacket so people behind me see me May 07 10:33:42 that's what happened to me... May 07 10:33:50 I had bunch iof professionals aftrer me May 07 10:33:57 I stoped at the wrong place May 07 10:34:05 had to emergency eject back into the slope May 07 10:34:17 hit a fat root May 07 10:34:24 yeah, it's seriously dangerous, you need a full face helmet, in some cases even body armour, and very good suspension May 07 10:34:37 and got ejected a few meters into a large tree May 07 10:34:38 I would definitely recommend hiring a bike and gear for the day when you really want to try out downhill May 07 10:35:00 tybollt: ever seen the seasons? May 07 10:35:07 crashanddie: no? May 07 10:35:12 hmm, this reminds me, I still don't have a helmet May 07 10:35:40 Mind I'm very much the amature and have not done any serious mtbing for the last eight years or so :) May 07 10:35:49 tybollt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKGtXyBboOc May 07 10:37:38 man, that is hardcore May 07 10:38:19 my bike would fall apart on the third bend May 07 10:39:19 yeah May 07 10:39:21 nice May 07 10:40:02 though I'm 180/82 now. Getting on a bike would kill me (and the bike ;) May 07 10:41:03 probably best mtb dvd out there May 07 10:41:12 great heli shots May 07 10:41:23 an operator without edge - never again :( May 07 10:41:34 NEVARH!111 May 07 10:41:45 Shapeshifter: so try an operator w/out gsm... :-| May 07 10:42:12 there's such a thing? May 07 10:42:43 3G only? May 07 10:42:58 crashanddie: Did you consider that shaving 1.8kg off you may be cheaper? May 07 10:43:14 heh... May 07 10:43:16 SpeedEvil: eh? May 07 10:43:19 * SpeedEvil does not know crashanddie's BMI. May 07 10:43:35 cheaper? May 07 10:43:44 http://qkwv.com/weight.gif May 07 10:43:48 nokia told that that leaked image is not final pr1.2 - ok, I am fine with it. But why it has newer packages then official PR1.2 sdk has? May 07 10:44:15 crashanddie: diet May 07 10:44:20 hrw: might be updates for sdk, to May 07 10:44:21 o May 07 10:44:28 SpeedEvil: that's 1.8kg off the weight of my bike May 07 10:44:32 or it is never than the official May 07 10:44:34 not mine May 07 10:44:43 ... why does microb always have to flash white for a second when switching to it. May 07 10:44:43 crashanddie: yes, I know. May 07 10:44:56 SpeedEvil: I don't get what you're trying to say May 07 10:45:27 crashanddie: I'm just commenting that it may be cheaper to reduce your own weight rather than spending exponentially more reducing the weight of the bike. (however - that may not be possible) May 07 10:45:42 SpeedEvil: oh, right May 07 10:46:11 petteri: anyway we do not know and will never got proper answer May 07 10:46:20 heh, well, it's more expensive to shed bike weight, but instantenous and stable :) May 07 10:46:20 SpeedEvil: well, they were improvements that really changed the handling of the bike, it's not really about speed or ease of pushing, it's just that getting the right equipment shaved off weight as well as change the bike's behaviour May 07 10:46:27 hrw: simple - it's not the official PR1.2 SDK. It is/was an early access PR1.2 SDK May 07 10:46:42 Shapeshifter, I'm suffering second order effects from that bug. I expect every app to flash white before they start working after switching to them. Then I stand and stare stupidly waiting for the flash that never come, thinking the app died. May 07 10:47:03 SpeedEvil: for example, getting much lighter tyres made the bike a lot more nimble and agile (less rotation inertia on the wheel, very important factor) May 07 10:47:05 ShadowJK: oh dear May 07 10:47:11 SDK always gets updates to align with actual firmware releases. May 07 10:47:35 except this time May 07 10:47:35 SpeedEvil: also, getting the SPD pedals allow me to have better footing, grip and pull when required, compared to the flat pedals I had before, while still shaving off 300gr per pedal May 07 10:47:41 where it exploded May 07 10:47:41 besides, how many new features will there be that would break the sdk :) May 07 10:47:42 Will happen for PR1.2 too. May 07 10:47:45 except when it doesn't ;) May 07 10:47:48 crashanddie, oh yes, I have super light tubes, which made a bit of a difference, tires are lighter than previous ones as well May 07 10:48:36 crashanddie: yes - I know - unsprung vs sprung, and it's not quite that simple. May 07 10:48:38 TomaszD: yeah, the tyres that came with the bike had these metal rings to keep them in shape, the new maxxis ones are a lot lighter, a lot thiner, and I probably lost roughly 400gr per tyre, which is really a massive difference, considering the tyres are the parts that move the fastest on a bike May 07 10:49:26 crashanddie, the big apples have kevlar sides instead of steel woven like my mtb ones, much lighter :) but still heavy tires in comparison to others May 07 10:49:27 So - will the SDK default to 1.3, when 1.2 comes out? May 07 10:49:29 im not a native english speaker, is tyres the plural for tire? May 07 10:49:36 viliny__: yes May 07 10:49:38 SpeedEvil: No May 07 10:49:45 crashanddie: btw, mtb is where your nick comes from? >:) May 07 10:49:57 tybollt: well, i'm still around, so i guess not May 07 10:50:06 aight, thanks you SpeedEvil :) May 07 10:50:13 tybollt, he's getting ready for the inevitable May 07 10:50:24 then he'll be like "I told you so!" May 07 10:50:25 crashanddie: ;) May 07 10:50:26 * Shapeshifter on a downhill bike would certainly crashanddie May 07 10:50:59 yeah, at 82 kgs on a 180 body, I would too =) May 07 11:01:46 doesn't the tire/tyre thing have a en_US/en_GB aspect, too ? May 07 11:02:04 aye May 07 11:02:24 tyre = UK, tire = US May 07 11:02:34 the debate makes me very tired... May 07 11:02:42 tyred? May 07 11:02:46 >:) May 07 11:02:57 tired = ran over by tyres May 07 11:03:34 tyred = got ran over by tyrel sprewell? May 07 11:04:14 achipa: Can you explain why this happens? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/midgard-python_10.05.0-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt May 07 11:04:51 achipa: It seems to look for setuptools for 2.3? May 07 11:07:28 Man, what was ~ham again... May 07 11:07:35 ~ham May 07 11:07:36 methinks ham is oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager May 07 11:07:57 X-Fade: but... why doesn't it simple depend on python-setuptools ? May 07 11:08:03 s/simple/simply/ May 07 11:08:05 achipa meant: X-Fade: but... why doesn't it simply depend on python-setuptools ? May 07 11:08:31 achipa: It does build-depend on it. May 07 11:08:34 cell phone radios should be able to do p2p/mesh May 07 11:08:34 seriously. lets do that May 07 11:08:55 hm... weird, should not go for pypy if it already has it there May 07 11:09:22 actually May 07 11:09:30 why are you packaging it like that May 07 11:09:57 use py2deb or pypackager May 07 11:10:25 It is a not me, and it is being packaged for a lot of distros. May 07 11:10:31 X-Fade: and anyway, why is it going for python 2.3 ? May 07 11:10:44 X-Fade: seems to be some scratchbox python version futz May 07 11:10:55 achipa: There is python 2.3 in the sdk, because some backend tool uses it. May 07 11:10:55 echo 4 >debian/compat <-- first time i see this being done tbh May 07 11:11:18 But if you check te root log, you see 2.5 being installed. May 07 11:11:57 set version in Build-Depends: May 07 11:12:48 hi May 07 11:12:56 MohammadAG: --> Piotras ;) May 07 11:13:09 He's the one making the mess. May 07 11:13:23 X-Fade: yeah, force it to 2.5, it should not deal with 2.3 even if it IS in the SDK for some reason May 07 11:13:43 achipa, how to force? May 07 11:14:27 Piotras: XS-Python-Version in the control file, at least that's it for debian... May 07 11:15:40 achipa, I have pyversions file which should be taken into account May 07 11:16:02 Piotras: yes, that too... what does your pyversions say ? May 07 11:16:09 2.4- May 07 11:16:25 achipa, are you *sure* both should exist? May 07 11:16:28 achipa, http://osdir.com/ml/debian-python/2009-09/msg00045.html May 07 11:17:10 Piotras: no, not simultaneously, too as in 'that can define python versions, too' May 07 11:18:33 achipa, so how that line should look like? May 07 11:18:34 though my pyversions in scratchbox only says python2.5... May 07 11:19:30 Still seems to me that there is a script/line there that just blindly calls 'python' and that starts the scratchbox host python, not the maemo one May 07 11:21:14 hi, is there a way to reset the datacounter from the commandline? May 07 11:22:15 I vaguely recall that you can screw with gconf May 07 11:24:22 achipa, I rules file I have: May 07 11:24:40 for python in $(PYVERS); do $$python .... May 07 11:24:55 so it's clearly pyversions issue IMO May 07 11:25:05 Piotras: but how does your pyversions file look like ? May 07 11:25:11 ah May 07 11:25:12 sry May 07 11:25:16 then version the dependencies May 07 11:25:26 Piotras: but why 2.4- ? May 07 11:26:11 (do we even have a 2.4 ?) May 07 11:26:14 achipa, I do not remember atm, I think I had read some debian-python howto and did like this May 07 11:26:39 achipa, it says ignore < 2.4 May 07 11:27:22 yes, I know, should be 2.5-, though (not that it matters in this particular case) May 07 11:28:13 Piotras: hey... May 07 11:28:25 Piotras: cd . && python setup.py clean -a May 07 11:28:48 Piotras: do you do this from rules or is this from some debhelper ? May 07 11:29:00 hmm anyway you get all nationalities and all sorts in this kind of forum... May 07 11:29:02 achipa, what exactly ? May 07 11:29:12 but I olways wondered why there were no greek folks around here... May 07 11:29:14 Piotras: cd . && python setup.py clean -a May 07 11:29:20 Guess now I know :) May 07 11:29:22 i can see this in the build log May 07 11:29:26 and that's wrong May 07 11:29:38 should be cd . && python2.5 setup.py clean -a May 07 11:29:52 (and python2.5 from there on everywhere) May 07 11:30:30 achipa, it doesn't come from rules file May 07 11:30:31 that particular line is generated by dh_clean I think, so you get broken somewhere before that May 07 11:31:08 achipa, http://friendpaste.com/3cJ3Kd9yZNmiuwF8su8Pk3 May 07 11:32:08 Piotras: can you pastebin the whole rules file ? May 07 11:34:18 achipa, http://friendpaste.com/3ytvmENMDznzAXfRiu9Sdl May 07 12:04:14 i have paired n810 with my debian desktop. But in Blueman there are no Bluetooth profiles listed. There is only "send file" How can be browsed the data local on n810? May 07 12:08:42 markinfo: hmmm May 07 12:09:42 i never work with any bluetooth things in linux but maybe May 07 12:09:46 this help May 07 12:09:47 http://blueman-project.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=80 May 07 12:10:34 look like need obex May 07 12:12:04 achipa: I think I fixed part of your version issue with abiword package removal in bug #10113 May 07 12:12:05 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10113 New ARMEL version of application is removed from the repository a few hours later May 07 12:12:28 achipa, ideas? May 07 12:13:47 Piotras: sorry, dropped out for a while due to power issues, did you paste the rules file ? May 07 12:14:24 achipa, http://friendpaste.com/3ytvmENMDznzAXfRiu9Sdl May 07 12:14:38 X-Fade: (Y) May 07 12:16:03 Problem is - there are no bluetooth services offered on n810. On my Phone are Serial ports, Obex etc. May 07 12:16:31 Is it necessary to configure it somewhere on n810? May 07 12:19:26 How to make a bluetooth connection with desktop PC? equipped with Bluetooth dongle? May 07 12:19:35 from n810 May 07 12:20:38 markinfo: check this May 07 12:20:40 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=12301 May 07 12:21:38 look like the n810 have some BT FTP server missing May 07 12:21:57 so you can't browse file on it May 07 12:22:46 markinfo: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3010 May 07 12:22:47 Bug 3010: Provide FTP Bluetooth interface (OBEX FTP server) May 07 12:22:58 Closing as FIXED in Fremantle (Maemo5), WONTFIX for Maemo4. May 07 12:23:16 Propose it for the community SSU ;) May 07 12:26:44 "WONTFIX for Maemo4" very nice .... As I do not like n900 - is too small and too expensive. May 07 12:27:05 what is "comunity SSU" ? May 07 12:27:20 markinfo: I thought it would be too small too - it surprised. May 07 12:27:29 markinfo: I can't argue with the other part. May 07 12:27:52 markinfo: updates for Diablo from the community, as Nokia is unlikely to ship updates May 07 12:31:35 Piotras: re again, shouldn't DEB_PYTHON_SYSTEM := pysupport be DEB_PYTHON_SYSTEM=pysupport ? May 07 12:33:42 other than that, no idea really, somewhere in the cdbs bowels the wrong python gets picked. You could force the proper python through envvars, but that's kind of cludgy May 07 12:35:17 is planned by Nokia something similar like n810 (mini Tablet) but with stronger CPU and maybe GSM modul? May 07 12:35:51 markinfo: what are you talking about mister? May 07 12:36:51 n900 is in classical Phone Dimensions - but something like n8xx Tabet was. May 07 12:37:45 markinfo, who do you think we would know the answer to that question? :) May 07 12:42:40 achipa, let me try this May 07 12:43:14 PR1.2? May 07 12:43:29 /kb RST38h May 07 12:43:33 Oh, damn ;) May 07 12:43:48 * satmd throws a cookie in RST38h's gaping mouth May 07 12:53:24 posted a thread about my magically awesome shopping list app: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=647980 May 07 12:55:08 mece: which lenguage ? May 07 12:55:20 mece: is it in extras yet? May 07 12:55:34 python ? May 07 12:56:04 pyside currently. moving to c++ when I get things setup. May 07 12:56:16 I guess not... could you please edit your post to make aware of the issues you might have with testing or devel stuff? May 07 12:56:40 chem|st, it's pyside so it wound get to extras before I make it using something that is actually installable I guess. May 07 12:56:42 it's in devel May 07 12:56:47 i am looking do some app and i suck in programing so maybe i will use python May 07 12:57:01 because i think c++ is too much for me May 07 12:57:01 :D May 07 12:57:20 I use python because I can do it comfortably directly on the phone May 07 12:57:30 Is t.m.o finally dead or what? May 07 12:57:40 updating post. May 07 12:57:41 t.m.o ? May 07 12:57:51 tmo is working just fine. what do you mean RST38h? May 07 12:58:03 RST38h: dead in which meaning of the word?? d.e.a.d.? May 07 12:58:43 achipa, it didn't help, but I think it's not package issue May 07 12:58:58 achipa, https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/midgard-python_10.05.0-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt May 07 12:59:14 there's : cd . && python setupy.py May 07 12:59:23 I think he means dead as in, theres more noise than signal May 07 12:59:28 which implicitly invokes python2.3 I assume May 07 13:00:13 Piotras: that's what I'm saying - the debhelpers use python 2.3, that's the problem May 07 13:02:46 chem|st, is that explanation sufficient, or should the devel part be in the title? May 07 13:16:33 You know, as phones have been capable of doing more and more over the years, more and more people have been complaining that they do less-and-less. May 07 13:16:54 I remember having a phone about 10 years ago, that didn't even have any games May 07 13:17:24 achipa, I included 2.3 egg file in package, so error is gone May 07 13:17:27 It had a two lines b/w LCD backlit display, which was about 10characters wide. May 07 13:17:40 achipa, however there's still 2.3 issue: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/midgard-python_10.05.0-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt May 07 13:18:02 no one builds python modules for fremantle? May 07 13:18:12 hi ! May 07 13:18:14 bbl May 07 13:18:25 piotras, depends on modules May 07 13:18:52 if u need a module made in python i can do it May 07 13:19:45 someone have successfull use ptunnel on maemo ? May 07 13:20:01 hmm May 07 13:20:08 what's up here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52101&page=2 May 07 13:20:26 Optimus has 1 post, which I'm looking at, but apparently has been thanked 31 times May 07 13:20:30 but not here, so where? May 07 13:20:35 or am I just going mad? May 07 13:21:15 lardman: probably a lot of moves from normal -> off topic? May 07 13:21:32 ah, in which case the thanks metrics need to be recalculated I imagine May 07 13:21:33 looks like a fault somewhere, if you look at his actual posts he has 107 May 07 13:22:01 anyway sorry for the random aside :) May 07 13:37:13 hello, is anyone here very knowledgeable of Jabber? :) I'm wondering if I could add facebook chat through jabber to my n900, without having that annoying "Jabber Call" (which doesnt even work) on every contact. May 07 13:38:22 Theres no app that allows incoming call/sms etc info to be displayed on my linux laptop is there? May 07 13:44:32 eikkka: jabber call ? May 07 13:45:35 E0x: yeah, my contacts have two jabber buttons on them now for some reason :/ May 07 13:45:53 Jabber Call and Jabber IM May 07 13:46:02 oh May 07 13:46:06 i assume the call is for VoIP May 07 13:46:08 is because jabber support voip May 07 13:46:28 yeah, but i use jabber only for facebook chat so i'd kinda want to get rid of that button, but is it possible? May 07 13:46:31 you can't remove that May 07 13:46:36 aw, too bad :/ May 07 13:46:40 that is part of jabber May 07 13:46:42 already misclicked it 3 times today May 07 13:46:55 i think you get one jabber call per jabber contact. It is stupid because if the contacs jabber client supports call it will advertise it May 07 13:47:10 eikkka: is not your fault , look like that facebook expose that feature May 07 13:47:14 and the client detect it May 07 13:47:18 right May 07 13:47:19 even if is not working May 07 13:47:27 Surely that depends on which Jabber client you use? May 07 13:47:38 i use just the default protocol that n900 has May 07 13:47:52 PerfDave: not exactly May 07 13:48:10 I mean, bitlbee doesnt' give me any Jabber Call stuff with Facebook chat :) May 07 13:48:27 PerfDave: because the client dont support it May 07 13:48:34 is because both May 07 13:48:36 client and server May 07 13:48:57 hmm, while i'm at it, i noticed another issue today (my phone contract activated so i got my 3G broadband etc), it seems that i started getting some weird network errors for my IM accounts May 07 13:49:10 the jabber facebook one and MSN (if using either Haze or Pecan) May 07 13:49:26 in wifi happen ? May 07 13:49:32 maybe is some issue of the service May 07 13:49:39 didnt happen before, no May 07 13:49:55 tried in wifi today as well and it didnt really connect to MSN with it either May 07 13:50:02 but now that i got home from work it seems to work fine with 3G May 07 13:50:08 both of them May 07 13:50:41 which one of the MSN protocols you guys prefer? May 07 13:50:42 if you need proxy look like not work May 07 13:51:21 i am no a msn user May 07 13:51:40 Hey all May 07 13:51:55 anyone tried a 32GB MicroSD card in their N900? May 07 13:55:01 PR1.2 on june 7th May 07 13:55:14 url to back that up or kick May 07 13:55:29 no got info May 07 13:55:33 on maemotalk May 07 13:55:40 dhq: hmm May 07 13:55:46 Oh, then it must be true ;) May 07 13:55:53 lol May 07 13:55:58 * X-Fade looks on the server. No, not there. May 07 13:56:54 * tybollt gives dhq a bunch of lithium pills to deal w/ the voices in his head... May 07 13:57:08 hey! May 07 13:57:26 Piotras: avoid 2.3, that won't help you, honestly, you need to find a way to force python2.5 - even if you get it to build with 2.3, it won't work on the devices May 07 13:57:35 i did some apt-get upgrading and something under/stock clocked me May 07 13:57:57 tybollt: lithium pills May 07 13:57:59 from lehtos 900 May 07 13:58:26 * GAN900 is bored of rebooting May 07 13:58:29 dhq: http://www.drugs.com/lithium.html May 07 13:58:39 you think it's the scaling file that got overwitten? May 07 13:58:47 Nokia: We turned Linux into Windows 98! May 07 13:59:06 lol May 07 13:59:13 gan don't be bitter, embrace it May 07 13:59:34 * tybollt find GAN's appearances around here utterly refreshing... May 07 13:59:42 Just a tad less faboism... May 07 13:59:45 fan* May 07 13:59:56 GAN900, have you ever seen BSOD on N900? May 07 14:01:11 PhonicUK: someone did when the device was in preproduction state and it did work May 07 14:01:25 cool May 07 14:01:30 Dima_Sharihin: ive seen the nokia logo at regular intervals so that must be like BSoD May 07 14:01:33 Dima_Sharihin: that is true... I never had me a kernel panic() May 07 14:01:35 also whats the name of the alternate OS instead of Maemo? May 07 14:01:40 the one thats mostly pure debian May 07 14:01:43 Mer May 07 14:01:44 Mer May 07 14:01:45 ty May 07 14:01:57 I wanna boot Mer off a MicroSD :) May 07 14:02:05 Dima_Sharihin, well, I've had some weird reboots. May 07 14:02:16 PhonicUK: well you dont need 32GB for that May 07 14:02:19 kernel panics on maemo? May 07 14:02:25 i know, atm I only have a little 2GB thing May 07 14:02:30 GAN900, why you have installed Win98 on this wonderful device? May 07 14:02:32 and I want extra storage too May 07 14:02:32 * timeless_mbp thought mer was almost pure ubuntu May 07 14:02:43 no Mer is almost pure Debian May 07 14:02:50 Ubuntu is just a debian based distro May 07 14:02:52 timeless_mbp, it is May 07 14:03:03 Ubuntu 9.04 to be specific May 07 14:03:22 tybollt, well, let me balance it out: Maemo is the greatest thing since sliced bread. May 07 14:03:22 with hildon-desktop slapped on top May 07 14:03:26 * timeless_mbp waits for one of PhonicUK / MohammadAG to kill the other May 07 14:03:28 It changed my life. :P May 07 14:03:29 PhonicUK: full blown desktop install from linux mint is about 1.6gb May 07 14:03:40 I know but I want additional storage too :P May 07 14:03:44 as well as somewhere to install Mer May 07 14:03:45 * MohammadAG slaps PhonicUK with a large trout May 07 14:03:49 GAN900: meh :-| May 07 14:03:57 is mint good for vudeo? May 07 14:03:58 * PhonicUK blinds MohammadAG with the flash from his N900 May 07 14:04:00 video May 07 14:04:11 * MohammadAG is immune to that May 07 14:04:12 tybollt, c'mon, this is the mobile computer revolution. May 07 14:04:13 arent we all a bit debian? May 07 14:04:21 * MohammadAG takes out a Javelin May 07 14:04:34 It may have its warts, but it's going to change how people use computers forever. May 07 14:04:35 * MohammadAG locks on PhonicUK May 07 14:04:42 * PhonicUK turns invisible May 07 14:04:45 GAN900: ja, but just because I liove maemo doesn't mean I bend over for Nokia =) May 07 14:04:55 * timeless_mbp loves to hate debian May 07 14:05:10 pupnik_: it is good for any netbook afaik, are you looking for playback or transcoding? May 07 14:05:37 Does 3G work in Mer/ May 07 14:05:56 * MohammadAG traceroutes PhonicUK's IP May 07 14:05:59 tybollt, who's bending over for Nokia? May 07 14:06:06 * PhonicUK is at work :P May 07 14:06:09 ~trout PhonicUK May 07 14:06:36 ~blame chem|st May 07 14:07:06 * MohammadAG locks on PhonicUK and fires May 07 14:07:11 attack failed May 07 14:07:28 GAN900: I'm not saying anyone does... May 07 14:07:50 ~bomb PhonicUK May 07 14:08:09 * PhonicUK is in an underground bomb shelter May 07 14:08:21 http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/dual-booting-mer-on-nokia-n900.html awesome May 07 14:08:25 MohammadAG: I thought the bot will not miss him but w/o bot there is no hit... May 07 14:08:42 * MohammadAG provokes the underground volcano May 07 14:08:53 oshit May 07 14:09:05 PhonicUK: blue or red pill? May 07 14:09:05 Underground volcano, meet above ground glacier! May 07 14:09:18 chem|st, crush them both up and snort the purple powder May 07 14:09:37 http://xkcd.com/566/ May 07 14:09:41 How to avoid screensaving in N900? it is not comfortable while studying PDf's May 07 14:09:51 in the settings May 07 14:10:24 oh, sorry, there's no 'never' option May 07 14:10:45 there's probably some workaround then May 07 14:10:45 Hope the next Maemo/MeeGo Nokia device has HDMI and USB host May 07 14:11:03 Preferably capable of 1080p ^.6 May 07 14:11:06 it will May 07 14:11:09 At least there are Nokia devices with hdmi now. May 07 14:11:22 * MohammadAG looks at the non flagship N8 May 07 14:11:32 Yeah, way ahead of the game there. I can't believe more people aren't that interested in phones with HDMI ^.^ May 07 14:11:41 Its annoying how nokia keep making basically the same phone over and over again May 07 14:11:52 same hardware and OS, just tweaks like a better camera and video out May 07 14:12:02 hardware? May 07 14:12:07 but still not enough RAM, crappy CPU and no 3D May 07 14:12:24 namus: the app for easy backlight changing has a button for always on May 07 14:12:25 PhonicUK: it's about pricing points. May 07 14:12:25 alterego: DLNA is more interesting if connected over wireless connections though ;) May 07 14:12:27 it's the first Symbian devices from Nokia that has ARM11 May 07 14:12:44 i miss my N95's home server feature May 07 14:12:53 I wish the N97 had a 3D chip like the N95 May 07 14:12:55 that would have rocked May 07 14:13:05 the N97 was a big big fail May 07 14:13:16 the only reason i still have mine is for spotify May 07 14:13:19 and a couple of really good games on it May 07 14:13:26 despotify... May 07 14:13:30 Nokia offer you a choice, they say, you can sacrifice having the best camera, if you prefer playing music, and we'll give you more storage. Or if you want a kick ass camera, and you don't want maemo ... ^.^ May 07 14:13:38 I've got an N96 .. May 07 14:13:39 MohammadAG, none of them have offline support May 07 14:13:45 must-have feature for me May 07 14:13:47 I don't think that was as much fail as the N97 May 07 14:13:51 Will PR 1.2 support more profiles or shold you just use "tweakr" ? May 07 14:13:52 oh May 07 14:13:58 tweakr May 07 14:13:58 Until the N900, the N95 8G was the best phone I've had. May 07 14:14:09 Pr1.2....oh shi-- =) May 07 14:14:13 I had a 6150 Flip before the N97 May 07 14:14:23 * Dima_Sharihin have Nokia 7610 :-P May 07 14:14:37 heh I still have an ngage qd somewhere...talk about fail May 07 14:14:43 The N96 is fucking awful, even with the latest firmware, and no apps installed :( May 07 14:14:44 * chem|st got tweakr installed and does not use the profiles stuff... May 07 14:15:01 I truely miss the N95, it had a superior camera May 07 14:15:15 My girlfriend uses it as a 3G modem, and it's constantly restarting itself. May 07 14:15:18 as well as the N86, but there was nothing new in it May 07 14:15:36 Thinking about it, maybe there's a memory leak in the connection management/tethering code in Symbian ;) May 07 14:16:17 I miss the simpleness of my phone just serving up as USB network device May 07 14:16:28 alterego: I'd like to think so yes May 07 14:16:40 alterego: I used it as 36 modem the other day May 07 14:16:42 I'm selling an N900. Is reflashing the easiest way to clear all the data? May 07 14:17:03 and even when sitting perfectly still for >30 minutes it'd restart all the bloody time May 07 14:17:09 MiXu-, yes May 07 14:17:16 tybollt: not just mine then, that's good to know :/ May 07 14:17:18 man imagine 64GB of storage in an N900... May 07 14:17:28 alterego: :-/ sorry May 07 14:17:34 PhonicUK, I'll do that in a bit May 07 14:17:39 or a year May 07 14:17:45 tybollt: it's not your fault the phone is crap :) May 07 14:17:50 Takes good pictures though ^.^ May 07 14:17:53 And the storage is good. May 07 14:17:58 PhonicUK: I got 1TB when ever I have wifi... May 07 14:18:00 alterego: computer I was using att the time has windows 7 installed - I kind of guessed the problem lied there - rather than on phone May 07 14:18:10 That said, I've not used 32GB yet May 07 14:18:11 That's the only reason why I bought it, I thought it'd be a better N95 8G. May 07 14:18:23 will do soon tho, my N900 has taken on the job of torrent box :) May 07 14:18:25 Turns out it's just hideously unreliable, and for no good reason as far as I can tell .. May 07 14:18:27 chem|st, If that's how you want to put it I have 2TBs :P May 07 14:18:36 and even with 3G I can stream music from my server... May 07 14:18:38 chem|st, doesn't beat my 4GB RAID array ;) May 07 14:18:47 eeeeh May 07 14:18:49 TB rather... May 07 14:18:54 tybollt: my girlfriend uses my ubuntu 9.10 netbook :/ May 07 14:19:03 RAID is overrated May 07 14:19:17 alterego: uhuh May 07 14:19:18 my mirror raid recently saved my ass :| May 07 14:19:25 one of the hard drives died May 07 14:19:33 revive it May 07 14:19:41 PhonicUK: how many drives? May 07 14:19:48 huh May 07 14:19:51 * MohammadAG guesses 4 May 07 14:19:56 well in case of hardware its a good idea to mirror but no help with a corrupting filesystem May 07 14:19:57 you guess correctly May 07 14:19:58 guess tweakr couldnt do the job... May 07 14:20:12 :P May 07 14:20:12 have you guys ever seen my rig? May 07 14:20:15 * tybollt <3 tweakr May 07 14:20:16 its the size of a small dishwasher May 07 14:20:16 PhonicUK: well, if you're going to buy 4 drives, you've got a higher chance of one failing :P May 07 14:20:34 http://www.flickr.com/photos/phonicuk/sets/72157604642472044/ May 07 14:20:38 PhonicUK: your "rig" is the size of a small dishwasher??? May 07 14:20:45 see link May 07 14:20:52 alterego: true May 07 14:20:53 kids and their euphemisms these days.... May 07 14:20:58 alterego, HDDs fail following a Poisson distribution :P May 07 14:20:59 thats my main machine May 07 14:21:04 -ing May 07 14:21:19 That looks, quite insane :P May 07 14:21:30 my machine? May 07 14:21:33 PhonicUK: what CPU/mem you got? May 07 14:22:00 AMD Phenom 9850BE @ 3.3GHz (Stock 2.5), 4GB OCZ SLi Edition PC6400 (CAS-3-2-3) May 07 14:22:00 That's 4 times the size of mine ... May 07 14:22:04 PhonicUK, add... more... LEDs May 07 14:22:13 MohammadAG, have done since I took the pic May 07 14:22:20 That's 4 times the size and not even that much more powerful :P May 07 14:22:24 its got 2 LED tubes which flash patterns May 07 14:22:27 PhonicUK, readapt my script for them May 07 14:22:30 lol May 07 14:22:44 * tybollt pics up the coolant fluid May 07 14:22:44 its got 2x 8800GTX OC2s :) May 07 14:22:50 and a 1000W PSU May 07 14:22:51 CHEERS BOYS - BOTTOMS UP May 07 14:22:57 I bet there's a lot of space in that case and a gerbil in a wheel identical to the one in mine :P May 07 14:23:03 I built this a couple of years ago now May 07 14:23:08 its very easy to work with May 07 14:23:15 not much free space though May 07 14:23:23 Ooo, I'd like to do some parallel processing on those graphics cards ;) May 07 14:23:24 liquid cooling takes up a fair amount of space May 07 14:23:34 alterego, are you coming onto me?! May 07 14:23:37 I've not tried CUDA or OpenCL in a machine with multiple cards. May 07 14:23:45 lol May 07 14:23:53 alterego, It's mostly for nVidia 3D vision May 07 14:23:57 works much better in SLi mode May 07 14:23:58 anyone having issues sync'ing with google cal? May 07 14:24:00 1 eye per card May 07 14:24:15 trip900: yes, I completely disagree with it, google are evil. May 07 14:24:18 all of the sudden it wont sync May 07 14:24:20 you actually get better 3D performance than having 1x twice as powerful card May 07 14:24:20 I suppose in scandinavia you'd use the Global release when flashing? May 07 14:24:47 GTA IV in 3D is... May 07 14:24:48 interesting May 07 14:24:56 the strip clubs are weird in 3D :\ May 07 14:25:03 alterego: googles fault? May 07 14:25:54 trip900: it was a joke, of which you obviously don't see :) I don't actually use google calendar sorry :) May 07 14:26:10 oh heh May 07 14:26:39 It's okay, probably wasn't that funny anyway :P May 07 14:27:07 understandable tho ;) May 07 14:28:16 * alterego thinks facebook should have just published that chat security hole as a group chat feature. May 07 14:38:25 alterego: omap3 doesn't do 1080p officially, afaik May 07 14:38:38 I know May 07 14:40:24 Hi all ! May 07 14:41:15 Hey Khertan_ May 07 14:41:29 heya alterego ! May 07 14:42:08 achipa, but ARM Cortex-A8 can show 720p video May 07 14:42:37 Dima_Sharihin: cortex-A8 != OMAP3 May 07 14:42:46 solution to sync is to create a new calendar May 07 14:42:48 Oh, sorry =] May 07 14:42:50 fyi May 07 14:43:42 Dima_Sharihin: the video decode is done by a DSP or dedicated video chip, not the core, so ARM11, A8, A9, doesn't really matter that much May 07 14:44:13 depends on the codec no? May 07 14:44:28 yes May 07 14:44:29 trip900: 1080p is de facto h264 May 07 14:44:39 thanks. Most codecs are supported by hardware May 07 14:45:06 For example, via chipsets have hardware support of h.264, mpeg-4 etc =) May 07 14:46:07 the point is, with 1080p resolutions and data rates, no core will manage a decent frame rate May 07 14:46:11 ugh May 07 14:46:14 video May 07 14:46:19 fucking scary shit May 07 14:46:38 hell, even Atoms choke on purely SW 1080p decoders May 07 14:46:46 did you guys read the piece on video and how the mpeg-la pwns us all - even the ogg(theora shitz? May 07 14:47:03 does the top command report cpu usage when? system power on? May 07 14:47:19 achipa, how you want to see 1080p on 800x480 display??? May 07 14:47:33 h264 has several levels and profiles, and hardware decoders usually support only a subset of those May 07 14:47:38 Dima_Sharihin: the orignal talk was that of a HDMI out on a successor May 07 14:48:10 achipa: ja - god knows the current v/out is a POS. :-) May 07 14:50:31 * Khertan_ would not like a hdmi only device ... i didn't want to change my tv ... which didn't support hdmi May 07 14:51:49 Khertan_: well, if the N8 is anything to go by, we'll have both May 07 14:52:07 achipa: ah ... n8 has both ? May 07 14:52:27 tybollt: yes. :/ May 07 14:52:31 Khertan_: yep, the hdmi is just in addition to the 4-pin Nokia plug May 07 14:52:43 Khertan_: of course I'd wanted HDMI May 07 14:52:50 so what? May 07 14:53:10 just because you don't have a HDMO capable TV/screen doesn't mean I should suffer :) May 07 14:53:17 HDMI May 07 14:53:20 :D May 07 14:53:23 tybollt: for dolby surround not for the video ;) May 07 14:53:38 On a related note, how do I drive the TV-Out from say, a gstreamer pipeline? May 07 14:53:44 Aren't there USB graphics cards? May 07 14:53:48 MohammadAG: yes May 07 14:53:54 tybollt: just because you bought a useless hdmi tv ... i should suffer May 07 14:53:55 MohammadAG: this would require usb host working. May 07 14:53:57 alterego: as in NOT clone mode ? May 07 14:53:59 USB host mode would help then May 07 14:54:01 MohammadAG: also slow May 07 14:54:10 slow? May 07 14:54:21 MohammadAG: 12 megabytes/second is a very slow video bus May 07 14:54:23 Was expecting HDMI... May 07 14:54:23 achipa: exactly. May 07 14:54:24 err - 48 May 07 14:54:32 well - 30 more like really May 07 14:54:45 even with a powered hub? May 07 14:54:54 Khertan_: though, there is a caveat - the N8 might have both because they come from separate sources - the composite from the ARM, and hdmi from the broadcom chip May 07 14:54:56 though i'm assuming that's required... May 07 14:55:02 MohammadAG: having a powered hub isn't going to make the USB bus faster :P May 07 14:55:20 Does anyone have issues transfering large files via USB storage emulation to their N900? May 07 14:55:35 alterego: could you define large ? May 07 14:55:38 I've had to revert to usb networking and scp because copies fail half way through. May 07 14:55:49 Khertan_: well, I can't even transfer a single ~350M file .. May 07 14:55:54 lol i know, but drawing 200mA for a GFX card wil either: 1) make it not work 2) run slowly May 07 14:56:11 alterego: ah ... i didn't have problem to put on it some vm image May 07 14:56:20 so around 1,5 Go May 07 14:56:23 so around 1,5 Gb May 07 14:56:24 ;) May 07 14:56:27 Copied a 2GB file in 30 seconds May 07 14:56:48 Hrm, I might have to look into my issue again then. May 07 14:56:48 meego-image to be more precise May 07 14:56:48 MohammadAG: yes i found it amazing fast May 07 14:56:57 Khertan_: hdmi is useless? May 07 14:57:05 * tybollt trouts Khertan_ :) May 07 14:57:28 yes, DVI FTW May 07 14:57:33 tybollt: yes ... when you live in france and you don't want to paid 25Euro by month just for seeing star academy show in hd May 07 14:57:50 * Khertan_ didn't have a hdmi projector May 07 14:57:50 technically they are similar though May 07 14:57:57 http://www.maemonokian900.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/e69492f41aPR-1.2.jpg.jpg May 07 14:58:00 * Khertan_ didn't have a hdmi tv May 07 14:58:00 Love that pic May 07 14:58:37 * Khertan_ didn't want to paid 25Euros by month for his satellite tv just for one or two movies in hd by month May 07 14:58:37 :) May 07 14:59:16 and yes large plasma tv with a good rendering software render most of the time better than a low cheap hd tv May 07 14:59:17 alterego: we need a bot that pastes that link whenever pr1.2 is mentioned May 07 14:59:19 * RST38h is ok with normal broadcastied tv May 07 14:59:28 not watching it anyway May 07 14:59:30 Khertan, use torrents ;) May 07 14:59:37 BCMM: it ll be kline in 1second May 07 14:59:41 Dima_Sharihin: :) May 07 15:00:12 Dima_Sharihin: did you have a torrent for downloading a plasma hd tv ? May 07 15:00:16 Dima_Sharihin: France is a 3-strikes country, so better now ;) May 07 15:00:17 Can someone tell me what the three framebuffer devices are on the N900? May 07 15:00:18 is it possible to have the terminal on the n900 launch in fullscreen by default? May 07 15:00:22 *not May 07 15:00:24 Presumable fb0 is the internal LCD .. May 07 15:00:28 X-Fade: 3 strikes ? May 07 15:00:37 X-Fade: i didn't understand May 07 15:00:59 Khertan_: You will be disconnected from the internet after 3 complaints of illegal downloading. May 07 15:01:10 trucker strike, agricultural strike, downloader strike... May 07 15:01:23 Khertan, there are over 9000 torrents with HD1080p videos in the I-net May 07 15:01:26 X-Fade: ah ... that ... before they must agree on some law yet ... :) May 07 15:01:34 X-Fade: it s far from beeing ready :) May 07 15:02:21 i think you mean ... france is the country of strike ... worker strike May 07 15:02:28 plus, it's bound to be more of a scare-law than a practical one. Nobody wants to lose customers... May 07 15:02:31 so 3 will be too small number :) May 07 15:02:43 Okay, got it, fb0 is built in LCD and fb1 must be TV out May 07 15:02:44 it s more 30% of 365 day by year :) May 07 15:04:00 the fun fact is that for a short while, we had a 3 strikes thing in Serbia May 07 15:04:19 achipa: And then they exiled you to Kosovo? =) May 07 15:04:40 * RST38h pings wazd fiercely May 07 15:04:41 RST38h: no, the only provider that actually tried to enforce it went nearly bankrupt May 07 15:04:50 achipa: Ahhahahaha May 07 15:04:53 huh May 07 15:05:42 achipa: You should have seen US frantically trying to shut down mp3search.ru ... May 07 15:05:52 I wonder if fb2 is the DVI port ^.^ May 07 15:06:13 alterego: Get your soldering iron and try out ;) May 07 15:06:41 alterego: and I thought fb2 is an ebook format... :D May 07 15:06:51 Heh May 07 15:07:21 achipa, how can I avoid python 2.3 if it's debhelper/builder which invokes it? :) May 07 15:07:40 RST38h, are you from russia? May 07 15:07:57 Anyways, ttg May 07 15:08:03 Piotras: debhelper gets the python interpreter from some envvar IIRC (set up by pyversion or whatever) May 07 15:08:25 Piotras: so if you change that envvar manually, you should be able to coerce it to use 2.5 May 07 15:08:27 Piotras: debhelper (>= 5.0) May 07 15:08:35 Piotras: Did you try that? May 07 15:08:37 but that is a kludge, I admit May 07 15:08:53 Piotras, python setup.py bdist_dumb then build it as a deb May 07 15:09:14 MohammadAG: *python2.5* setup.py May 07 15:09:17 * wazd pongs May 07 15:09:22 that's his problem :) May 07 15:10:14 python2.3 then May 07 15:10:22 python2.3 setup.py May 07 15:10:23 X-Fade, achipa: *the same* rules and control file worked few months ago May 07 15:10:41 Piotras: there was this SDK upgrade... XD May 07 15:11:02 upgrade? from python 2.5 to python 2.3 ? May 07 15:11:12 Do we know any other packages using python-setuptools? May 07 15:11:30 X-Fade, all debian python stuff? :) May 07 15:11:45 Piotras, X-Fade: maybe the old autobuilder had a python patch which is not there (like we lost the optify thing ?) May 07 15:11:57 noor uses setup.py if you're interested May 07 15:12:10 but I used py2deb May 07 15:12:31 I call python2.5 explicitly. Guilty as charged. But it works :) May 07 15:12:47 Heh, got my N900 to use my laptops internet connection through usb0 :) May 07 15:12:51 Much better :D May 07 15:12:59 achipa, I do call python2.5 explicitly too :) May 07 15:13:31 whats the difference between python and python2.5? May 07 15:13:45 Shapeshifter: python is python2.3 inside scratchbox May 07 15:14:17 (debian etch, etc, etc) May 07 15:16:09 I find it very interesting that while E V E R Y O N E are talking about HD content yet still to play anything usefull you need to be on windows and on windows there's still only two or three programs in existence that can play the content... fooo May 07 15:16:13 how is SIP with firewalls? May 07 15:16:26 my network doesn't give me a real IP address May 07 15:16:35 does that mean i can't receive calls on a SIP account? May 07 15:17:10 tybollt: ?? May 07 15:17:21 bluray May 07 15:17:30 how'd you go about playing bluray on linux? May 07 15:17:35 also, is there a list somewhere of SIP providers that allow you to make calls to the normal telephone system May 07 15:17:37 ? May 07 15:17:58 BCMM, use skype. It works beatiful with any types of proxy and NATs May 07 15:18:13 tybollt: people still buy media stored on hardware? May 07 15:18:18 discs suck May 07 15:18:24 badly May 07 15:18:30 Dima_Sharihin: i know, but IIRC there are some SIP providers that are cheaper, and skype is philisophically objectionable in some ways May 07 15:19:03 Shapeshifter: dun matter buddy, it's the same DRM May 07 15:19:06 ol over May 07 15:19:36 tybollt: well looking at the development with music, its getting better actually May 07 15:19:57 people start to know what drm means and complain May 07 15:20:07 still May 07 15:20:16 I see movie in store - buy it May 07 15:20:24 besides, most drmd music probably sucks May 07 15:20:37 and outside of HW bluray players there are two or tops three software on the planet capable of playing it May 07 15:20:40 sickening May 07 15:21:02 BCMM, iirc SIP is very simple protocol. Maybe better use Jabber VoIP extension? May 07 15:21:05 yeah well. blueray isnt very popular May 07 15:21:08 there are ways to call real landlines from SIP, right? May 07 15:21:13 Dima_Sharihin: does the n900 do that? May 07 15:21:29 Dima_Sharihin: and are there services that let you call landlines May 07 15:21:34 if it gets more popular and lots of people realize theyre being fucked with there'll be improvement May 07 15:21:37 BCMM, I don't know ^_^. But Google Talk is Jabber, and support video-calls =) May 07 15:21:57 Dima_Sharihin: i thought the n900 doesn't do video calls yet? May 07 15:22:12 BCMM, doesn't do _skype_ video-calls May 07 15:22:41 basically, i'm looking for a way to call landlines abroad cheaply, and the obv. answer is skype but they're kinda creepy May 07 15:22:59 i'll use skype if there is no other solution May 07 15:23:12 Was ESD used in maemo 4? May 07 15:23:18 BCMM, theres phone providers that do cheap connections afaik May 07 15:23:23 you dial a prefix, then the number May 07 15:23:27 and it is rerouted May 07 15:23:29 works from any phone May 07 15:23:36 lcuk: probably not as cheap as skype May 07 15:23:36 and you get cheaper calls to countries? May 07 15:23:42 of course May 07 15:23:52 but you sound like you ruled out skype May 07 15:24:06 Just search for sip provider on google, how hard can it be? May 07 15:25:32 BCMM: you just need to find a provider doing it (SIP) May 07 15:25:51 i'm mostly slipping up on the jargon May 07 15:26:15 only just got that a provider that will connect you to real phones is a "termination provider" May 07 15:26:29 Hi May 07 15:26:37 i presume there are also SIP providers that don't do that May 07 15:26:54 BCMM: I got rid of t-com that way! I have internet and thats it, have a 'real' geolocated landline May 07 15:26:58 chem|st: do you know how sip handles NAT? My phone network doesn't give me a global IP May 07 15:27:14 chem|st: not sure i understand May 07 15:27:28 BCMM: we tried that with both on edge and it worked... May 07 15:27:36 has anyone ever tried to run Angstrom on the N900? May 07 15:27:40 chem|st: still not entirely sure i understand May 07 15:28:10 BCMM: where are you off? May 07 15:28:26 chem|st: uh, again not sure i understand you May 07 15:28:34 BCMM: you look for a sip provider from your country with cheap rates May 07 15:28:37 chem|st: are you asking which part of the world i'm in? May 07 15:28:46 chem|st: ah, well i'm looking for two things, maybe two accounts May 07 15:28:51 no what u do not understand May 07 15:29:00 chem|st: one for making cheap calls to the UK, another for cheap calls to belguim May 07 15:29:22 BCMM: prepaid or contract? May 07 15:29:34 chem|st: sip providers work like that? May 07 15:29:37 prepaid probably May 07 15:29:48 the bit i didn't understand was "we tried that with both on edge and it worked..." May 07 15:30:07 i ll go on ... May 07 15:30:26 and will try to connect later while tcpip over icmp :) May 07 15:30:47 BCMM: both at sipgate both connected with EDGE on different providers and we were able to call and talk in both directions May 07 15:31:03 BCMM: http://www.sipgate.co.uk/user/index.php May 07 15:31:07 chem|st: but did your providers give you real IP addresses or NATted? May 07 15:31:16 NATed May 07 15:31:27 chem|st: oh, cool May 07 15:31:47 do you know of a site which would list providers in order of how much they charge per minute to call belgium? May 07 15:31:52 the phone does fine with NATed connections... May 07 15:32:00 we need system level accelometer calibration May 07 15:32:26 BCMM: no but whats wrong with 2p? May 07 15:32:35 lcuk: yes, yes we do. May 07 15:32:35 chem|st: what is 2p? May 07 15:32:48 2pence May 07 15:32:49 SpeedEvil, :) May 07 15:33:06 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Accelerometer May 07 15:33:11 chem|st: oh, as in 2p per minute? May 07 15:33:14 pennies Ps the crap little buggers nothing worth May 07 15:33:22 yep May 07 15:33:37 nothing reallyh May 07 15:33:43 lcuk: You can rotate the phone slowly several times in random patterns - and then attempt to fit the resultant elipsoid to a unit sphere. May 07 15:33:44 2p a minute is, indeed, nothing really May 07 15:34:19 lcuk: how would you do accel calibration? put the phone on the ground, and use a database of values of g in different parts of the world? May 07 15:34:24 lcuk: this gives you per-axis offset and scale. Also some info about cross-axis - but that's harder to pull out May 07 15:34:31 BCMM: There are three accellerometers. May 07 15:34:45 BCMM, SpeedEvil for most uses, calibrating faceupfacedown would do May 07 15:34:46 BCMM: the worst-case accuracy of these is +-10% per axis or so May 07 15:34:52 lcuk: True May 07 15:34:53 SpeedEvil: hmm, and there is an edge the n900 will not balence on May 07 15:35:03 because of the camera bulge May 07 15:35:07 its more noticable May 07 15:35:21 and especially how ive got a group of bubbles in a cloud on screen now May 07 15:35:27 and they are all fucking off to top left May 07 15:35:35 screen down it balances fine :) May 07 15:36:13 I have a clear plastic case May 07 15:36:22 i think gravity shifted tho May 07 15:36:24 it balances lots better on its back, as tehre is a cutout May 07 15:38:12 BCMM: for google voice testing I signed up for a sip account in us and fwd via landlin-fwd May 07 15:38:33 chem|st: does google voice call landlines? May 07 15:39:10 BCMM: I would not do that again as a robot was calling me once a day, turned it of though May 07 15:39:10 BCMM, google it :D iirc in america it is possible May 07 15:40:20 do SIP providers typically provide free calls to other SIP providers? May 07 15:40:26 BCMM: googleV is a garbage collector for phone lines, you need at least one valid landline number to get it working and the beta was/is US only May 07 15:40:28 and does anybody support SIP -> Skype calls? May 07 15:41:45 no May 07 15:41:52 BCMM: for SIP to SIP you need a provider doing actual SIP calling, at least as long as the freakin phone cant do May 07 15:42:02 chem|st: ? May 07 15:42:16 chem|st: the n900 actually does SIP... May 07 15:42:49 sipgate.co.uk does not provide a SIPaddress to be called (you@sipgate.co.uk is not callable) May 07 15:43:38 * crashanddie waves at lcuk, chem|st and SpeedEvil May 07 15:43:49 BCMM: thought there is a bug open as you can't call a $number@SIPprovider.net contact itself May 07 15:44:01 * MohammadAG waits for a wave May 07 15:44:09 * crashanddie waves at MohammadAG May 07 15:44:20 you jealous mofo :P May 07 15:44:21 * MohammadAG slaps crashanddie May 07 15:44:31 :P May 07 15:44:32 * crashanddie kicks MohammadAG May 07 15:44:41 * MohammadAG bombs crashanddie May 07 15:44:51 muhahaha May 07 15:44:54 flooders May 07 15:45:00 * chem|st thinks their is <3 in the air.... May 07 15:45:13 * MohammadAG burns the air May 07 15:45:17 I like word playing May 07 15:46:08 BCMM: sipgate.co.uk provides free sip-calls to telio and gradwell but thats about it May 07 15:48:48 hi all! I found n800_defconfig in maemo kernel 2.6.26: can i compile this kernel for N800/N810 or it is impossible? May 07 15:48:54 chem|st: you maybe like playing with words, but "their" isn't wordplay, it's just fail :P May 07 15:49:31 achipa, so what is recommended way to build python debs (especially for maemo? ) May 07 15:50:28 crashanddie: their are love in the air is just fail...2 May 07 15:50:56 chem|st: can I ask for a favour? May 07 15:51:03 or they are love May 07 15:51:08 stfu? May 07 15:51:17 :d May 07 15:51:31 chem|st: take a machine gun on all those stupid off-topic threads May 07 15:51:43 crashanddie: I wish May 07 15:52:39 ? May 07 15:52:41 linux hackers looking for a job take a look: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=105529266158916 ;) May 07 15:52:43 as long as reggie and the council folks arent on the same line with us I cant do anything, I would just empty out the whole off-topic thing May 07 15:53:26 so I'm off to grab some to eat l8er May 07 15:54:14 lol VDVsx May 07 15:54:50 hello May 07 15:55:06 frals, nice opportunity to join a cool team, eheheh May 07 15:55:10 :D May 07 15:55:38 gonna spam meego as well :P May 07 15:55:58 * VDVsx hides May 07 15:56:01 hey frals - you should signup for that thing VDVsx is spamming :p May 07 15:56:12 lcuk: ;D May 07 15:56:22 gonna prepare dinner with the missus now, laters o/ May 07 15:56:27 \o May 07 15:57:04 how would one go about testing SIP? i'd like to make sure that sip-sip calls are nice before buying any credit for calling real phones May 07 15:57:23 is there a thing that works a bit like the skype call test service? May 07 15:57:29 BCMM, sip-sip calls are free May 07 15:57:39 yes May 07 15:57:49 * GAN900 is going to waste time reading the religion thread for some reason. May 07 15:57:55 perhaps i just need to make a second account to test it May 07 16:00:09 BCMM, btw, sip has skype transopts May 07 16:00:17 chem|st, what page? May 07 16:00:56 how do I turn off quit messages in xchat on N900? May 07 16:01:10 it's annoying May 07 16:01:23 /quit May 07 16:01:31 tu turn them off May 07 16:01:36 /quit on to turn them back on May 07 16:01:48 /quit =) May 07 16:02:01 * SpeedEvil feels bad. May 07 16:02:20 SpeedEvil: Evil bastard :) May 07 16:03:12 SpeedEvil, take a medicines May 07 16:03:48 kajko: SpeedEvil was joking, he is really sorry. ;) May 07 16:03:50 SpeedEvil nice try May 07 16:03:56 /set irc_conf_mode 1 May 07 16:04:06 would seem to be one way May 07 16:04:14 http://xchat.org/faq/#q211 May 07 16:04:28 yes May 07 16:04:33 /set for a full list May 07 16:04:40 I presume you could also do it by editing the config file - the other method of 'right-clicking' on a tab does not seem helpful May 07 16:07:37 http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/07/nokia-sues-apple-again-says-the-ipad-3g-infringes-five-patents/ May 07 16:08:25 well, the lawyers have to have some work May 07 16:08:40 /join #test May 07 16:09:07 * GAN900 expects it's more Reggie than "council people" May 07 16:09:28 * microlith rages at orange business services May 07 16:09:48 hehe a friend of mine was working there (not anymore btw) May 07 16:09:58 he was raging against them quite a lot too May 07 16:12:10 GAN900: yeah, probably more reggie than council people, yet the proper way to get things changed is through the community council May 07 16:12:29 GAN900: just having everyone yell and shout everytime someone throws a tantrum isn't going to get us anywhere. use the appropriate channels. May 07 16:12:50 what's the hot topic ? :) May 07 16:12:56 maemo -> meego I guess May 07 16:13:01 VDVsx: your mom :P May 07 16:13:10 lol May 07 16:13:16 that's what she said May 07 16:13:34 * VDVsx slaps crashanddie with a katana May 07 16:13:43 :D May 07 16:14:29 now now VDVsx May 07 16:14:44 if you are gonna use that, go do it in the sandbox May 07 16:14:54 we can cover the blood easier May 07 16:15:58 who's getting killed? May 07 16:16:00 does qgil and the other Nokia dudes still come to this channel? May 07 16:16:11 rarely. May 07 16:16:15 !seen qgil May 07 16:16:19 ~seen qgil May 07 16:16:21 qgil <~qgil@a88-112-27-165.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 36d 20h 26m 55s ago, saying: 'ever'. May 07 16:16:26 Nokia dudes <-- I'm seeing this a lot May 07 16:16:40 np: Aerosmith - Dude looks like a lady. May 07 16:16:49 Nokia dudes = Nokians (I heard ;)) May 07 16:16:58 so he dont come often then May 07 16:17:22 kajko, more at #meego these days May 07 16:17:23 qgil isn't the only nokian here... May 07 16:17:47 bah wait if one would apply for that team, it means working with VDVsx? /me runs May 07 16:17:52 yup....qgil moved on to meego May 07 16:18:01 * VDVsx hides May 07 16:18:04 making assumptions based on his visits here is a bit off balance, since he hasn't really been a hardcore irc user ever May 07 16:18:20 true May 07 16:18:25 I demand OPK to hang out here :< May 07 16:18:30 oh wait May 07 16:18:31 +1 May 07 16:18:38 I demand cheesecake May 07 16:18:44 195k downloads... hopefully i hit 200k tomorrow! \o/ May 07 16:18:59 frals: where do you see the number of downloads? May 07 16:19:14 http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5&repo=extras May 07 16:19:51 ah nice May 07 16:20:15 mhh, where's the total number? May 07 16:20:23 have to add it up manually :D May 07 16:21:08 frals: huh. can you do integrals with your eyes? May 07 16:21:23 what, you cant? O_o May 07 16:21:43 nah if you check the source theres a link to the script that generates it May 07 16:21:46 that got all the values May 07 16:22:22 ah yes May 07 16:22:24 (i wrote a script to sum it up :() May 07 16:24:26 do people still use mms ? May 07 16:24:49 no. May 07 16:25:36 http://maemo.org/download-stats/fetch.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5 is easy to ue I guess. May 07 16:25:48 korhojoa: 195000 of them don't. May 07 16:28:28 SpeedEvil, whereis '\n' symbols in the script? O_o May 07 16:30:10 We don't need no steenking human-readability May 07 16:30:23 That's quite easy to parse by eye, compared to html May 07 16:30:28 SpeedEvil, Maybe better use obsfucation? May 07 16:30:43 compared to some html May 07 16:31:03 i've made a free ekiga.net account to test SIP May 07 16:31:09 and it works fine from ekiga on my desktop May 07 16:31:17 but i can't hear anything on the n900 May 07 16:31:25 have i misconfigured something? May 07 16:32:19 kajko: Go to chanopt.conf in ~/.xchat2/ - add a line text_hidejoinpart = 1 May 07 16:32:19 after the channel name May 07 16:32:28 kajko: this lets you set it per-channel May 07 16:32:49 thanks speedevil.... done May 07 16:34:02 BCMM, may... Are you sure, that config of PulseAudio for Ekiga is correct on both devices? May 07 16:34:20 Dima_Sharihin: i haven't installed ekiga on teh phone May 07 16:34:25 i'm trying to use the built-in SIP client May 07 16:34:26 you can also tap and hold the channel name and a setting window comes up where you can hide/show join/leave alerts May 07 16:34:27 =] May 07 16:37:12 yay for a bash one liner May 07 16:38:09 for i in $(curl -s 'http://maemo.org/download-stats/fetch.php?unixname=fmms&os=Maemo5' | sed -n '2p' | sed -e 's/.*var\ d\ =\[//;s/\],\[/\]\ \[/g'); do echo $i; done | awk -F "," '{print $2}' | sed -e 's/].*/+last/' | bc -l | tail -n 1 May 07 16:38:14 \o/ May 07 16:38:42 195338 May 07 16:39:31 alarmed only has 2420. which is quite a lot >.> Well. pr1.2 should come out to fix the pyside madness. Then I'll release some more features and vote for it. May 07 16:40:20 Shapeshifter, thats not a oneliner May 07 16:40:21 i'm actually surprised people still use mms May 07 16:40:39 lcuk: widen your chat client :P May 07 16:40:39 arachnist, mms reasoning was outlined at the start May 07 16:40:45 anyone can't login to tmo? May 07 16:40:55 i tried resetting passwd and didn't work May 07 16:41:04 overwhelming population of hardware out there is compatable with it, vs the number of people with phones capable and configured to use email May 07 16:42:04 with my operator it's cheaper to email pix than mms. i have unlimited data tho. May 07 16:42:17 lcuk: most of the phones released over the past 4 years or so that are capable of sending/receiving mms are also capable of sending email May 07 16:42:36 and receiving May 07 16:42:51 those phones also are NOT configured for email out of the box May 07 16:43:01 and unwashed masses dont usually know how May 07 16:43:11 same devices are however configured for mms May 07 16:44:29 arachnist, theres whole discussions on the maemo.org wiki about actually kickstarting mms on our devices and the issues May 07 16:44:47 or may be i got banned? May 07 16:44:52 just post a few nudes May 07 16:44:57 and how to solve them - we moved on from bah email is available very early May 07 16:45:01 what's wrong?? May 07 16:45:18 lcuk: the biggest issue with mms is still the 2.6.28 kernel, isn't it? May 07 16:46:12 dunno, fmms seems to be working fine May 07 16:46:55 frals has done an exceptional job at working round whatever - hes dug and discussed and coordinated and hacked and coded and we practically have a real proper MMS service on our devices :) May 07 16:48:21 imho, MMS useless May 07 16:48:52 195000 people disagree May 07 16:48:58 well installs May 07 16:49:56 On mine phone, I did not even set up this service May 07 16:50:20 no, but on a normal phone theres no configuration, if someone sends you an mms it will arrive May 07 16:50:45 The numbers look sane for me more like 10K I think than 190K alas. May 07 16:51:06 Assuming the spikes are correlating with release versions of mms May 07 16:51:30 SpeedEvil, however you want to read them, theres tremendous support from all over the ecosystem for the hard work frals is doing May 07 16:52:22 a few months ago we had no mechanism to do mms and were told there wouldnt be. now we have a viable open source option May 07 16:52:40 lcuk: agreed May 07 16:53:39 lcuk: Indeed! May 07 16:54:11 lcuk: I'm just wondering how you would best correlate teh above numbers with an installed base May 07 16:56:19 If you look at feb 21 for example - the area under that spike is 7000 or so. The one on April 29th is about 20000 May 07 17:03:01 wb ssvb May 07 17:04:29 what-what? =) May 07 17:04:36 oh =) May 07 17:05:02 Tripling every 2 months. In about 2 years, everyone on the planet will use fmms. May 07 17:05:15 hi pupnik May 07 17:05:19 lol SpeedEvil May 07 17:05:42 also lcuk, you make me blush! ;) May 07 17:06:00 SpeedEvil, Provided that you have given the whole planet N900 May 07 17:06:46 :) frals - credti where its due May 07 17:06:50 credit too May 07 17:08:01 How opaque is mms data? Do the networks just treat it as a binary? May 07 17:10:52 * GAN900 had a dream that PR1.2 was released last night. May 07 17:11:25 time for weekend then May 07 17:13:24 GAN900, sleep-sleep, you are sleeping =] May 07 17:14:27 mhmm May 07 17:15:52 * SpeedEvil had a dream that one day, little black nokias, and little white nokias, ... May 07 17:17:02 why little? May 07 17:18:48 SpeedEvil: Have you got to hump any of them? May 07 17:20:54 lardman, i have to both thank you and grrrr @ u May 07 17:21:04 Hey guys May 07 17:21:28 some update screwed over my cpu scaling file i guess... i ran lehtos kernel but now it won't scale beyond 600 - which file should i be looking for? May 07 17:21:53 this channel does not condone nor support overclocking May 07 17:22:17 really? May 07 17:22:19 Dima: http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkihaveadream.htm May 07 17:22:24 yes, really May 07 17:22:30 same goes for any leaks May 07 17:23:01 alright, so which file is responsible for the cpu scaling on the n900? May 07 17:23:21 :/ May 07 17:23:23 i dunno, never had to mess with it May 07 17:23:29 fair enough May 07 17:23:34 hint, it's in /sys May 07 17:23:38 err May 07 17:23:40 Viliny_: /vmlinuz? May 07 17:23:41 /proc* May 07 17:23:47 lol May 07 17:23:57 somewhere in / May 07 17:24:27 SpeedEvil: its a binary (over regular http) May 07 17:24:37 so why has the tone here gotten so zealous when it comes to oc? May 07 17:24:40 SpeedEvil, very nice :) May 07 17:24:47 look in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/ May 07 17:25:04 i used find -name, use it next time May 07 17:25:34 what did you use for name? May 07 17:25:46 cpufreq* May 07 17:25:53 alright, thank you sir May 07 17:26:19 is there a separate channel for tinkering such as overclocking? May 07 17:27:29 Viliny_: before I start OC with anything I change the OS setup to perform better, it makes no sense to me doing oc on a system which could be faster by tweaking May 07 17:27:44 * chem|st wants a button to turn off transitions May 07 17:28:21 chem|st: i have done the transitions thing, love the speed. but i also love the phone in it's faster state... flash, emulation... it's like how the device should have been May 07 17:28:30 its* May 07 17:29:00 Viliny_: well stop all unneeded background tasks and you get about the same May 07 17:29:21 I got no performance issues with flash... May 07 17:29:34 what exactly are we classing as unnecessary? May 07 17:30:25 Anything cpu intensive May 07 17:30:36 like turning on the phone? May 07 17:30:43 who needs home anyway? May 07 17:32:08 stuff that keeps your xserver threating the cpu May 07 17:32:21 hi all! I found n800_defconfig in maemo kernel 2.6.26: can i compile this kernel for N800/N810 or it is impossible? May 07 17:32:22 Viliny_, because the likelihood of it killing your device outright in a short period of time is very high. May 07 17:32:52 what is your source for it being very high? May 07 17:33:15 TI, TI engineers, Nokia engineers. May 07 17:33:22 is maemo 4/OS2008 support 2.6.26? May 07 17:33:35 Viliny_: you got no proper cooling system so anything above 700MHz will do no good May 07 17:33:50 chem|st, it isn't heat. May 07 17:34:10 then what is it May 07 17:34:15 GAN900: I know but how do you sell people stuff they dont understand May 07 17:34:23 there should be a wiki article about electromigration May 07 17:34:36 ^ May 07 17:34:47 Viliny_: the design of the chip is the issue May 07 17:34:52 there might be one on wikipedia May 07 17:35:30 Viliny_, you're severely reducing the life of your device running at 550 or 600MHz for long periods of time May 07 17:35:45 Anything beyond 600MHz is dangerous. May 07 17:36:56 yeah well it's not like i don't understand the risks - i went under the impression that the lifetime wouldn't be shortened enough to make a difference in this case May 07 17:37:15 im using it as a phone and it's going to get swapped in a couple of years any way May 07 17:38:27 Viliny_: we are not talking about years May 07 17:38:48 there is no need to overclock the N900... it's not like it's slow as it is May 07 17:39:28 well, for me it is May 07 17:40:48 GAN900: and well it is about heat, not like getting warm but about micro/nano spots May 07 17:41:12 chem|st, well, yeah, it's not that simple. May 07 17:41:44 But I think people having the impression that it's about overheating might give them a false sense of security. ;) May 07 17:41:50 im using it as a phone and it's going to get swapped in a couple of years any way May 07 17:41:58 500 - 10 year May 07 17:42:03 550-600 5 year May 07 17:42:05 Viliny_: you feel the need to overclock it, go ahead! make my day! I am working for a company doing nanostructural research... you save my job in some way! May 07 17:42:20 600-650 2.5 (doing some weird maths here) May 07 17:42:29 650 would make a big difference May 07 17:42:35 Viliny_, overclocking you could be talking about weeks. :) May 07 17:42:38 750, less than a year May 07 17:42:46 800, half a year May 07 17:42:54 will next n900 be n911? May 07 17:42:54 i just want the number May 07 17:42:55 1000, you're an idiot May 07 17:42:56 Stskeeps: thanks for the pointer :-) May 07 17:43:12 wall[e], nobody without an NDA knows. May 07 17:43:25 and maybe not even then. May 07 17:43:27 or a window cleaner May 07 17:43:37 so with your prophecy, we are going to see a lot of people with broken phones in a couple of months then May 07 17:44:12 will wait a couple of months before overclocking then May 07 17:44:30 i really don't get it May 07 17:44:37 600 is fast enough May 07 17:44:41 even for flash May 07 17:44:44 you might try to fix its speed to 700 and start a stopwatch (we are not talking about a long time here so a stopwatch will do) and start browsing flash pages an stuff May 07 17:44:49 OMG google updated their homepage May 07 17:44:58 may be gaming is too slow May 07 17:45:03 MohammadAG: well what do you use the phone for? May 07 17:45:15 everything but a phone May 07 17:45:41 wall[e]: thats a no on n911 May 07 17:46:05 And at no point have you sat there and thought to yourself: Man, i wish this would go a bit faster? May 07 17:46:15 but i think, speed improvement should be done more in software optimization level. May 07 17:46:31 wall: Are you a computer programmer? May 07 17:46:36 not overclocking May 07 17:46:38 out of the box this damn thing stuttered and skipped on flash videos - a little later i found a kernel for overclocking and went with 900 - smooth May 07 17:46:43 Viliny_: I did! then I figured out what was slowing it down and changed the setup May 07 17:46:45 i don't know if i want the n900 with stock speeds May 07 17:46:49 RST38h, yes. May 07 17:46:56 Viliny_, once, when I was encoding an flv, and that's not worth losing 5 years of lifetime May 07 17:47:06 * DocScrutinizer moans and turns away, to have another nap. Can't stand it anymore to explain the exponential curve of electromigration to noobs who thin OCing is the cutest thing since Kernigan invented C May 07 17:47:08 And you honestly believe that everything can be optimized? May 07 17:47:23 Who is Kernigan, Doc? May 07 17:47:27 RST38h, I didn't say that, but most of them yes. May 07 17:47:29 cutest thing since Kernigan invented C LOL May 07 17:47:31 Viliny_: I do that for battery lifetime aswell... I get my netbook to playback videos for 6hours straight May 07 17:47:33 err...someone has proof of the device's lifetime declining significantly because of overclocking? May 07 17:47:41 RST38h, the guy who invented C it seems May 07 17:47:45 joga: TI May 07 17:47:54 if a hello world is too slow May 07 17:47:58 Mohammad: He invented a letter of the alphabet? May 07 17:48:02 you can improve it in compiler level May 07 17:48:07 or io level May 07 17:48:09 RST38h: maybe it was Ritchie, or Pike May 07 17:48:13 RST38h: running 100% all the time? May 07 17:48:21 I mean, has someone's n900 broken down? May 07 17:48:34 or memory allocation level May 07 17:48:44 RST38h, yeah, amazing isn't it? May 07 17:48:50 joga: you may find some info on stress tests for omap without overclocking, some of the older ones took about a day at 400MHz if I remember right May 07 17:48:52 * RST38h yawns widely May 07 17:48:58 Mohammad: Learning something new daily... May 07 17:49:13 meh, this isn't working out that well, most of you come across as elitist shutins right now May 07 17:49:18 then some guy thought he was smart and added maths to the equation, thus making C++ May 07 17:49:19 used to be fun talking in here May 07 17:49:28 chem|st: so in principle you're saying that a runaway process on my phone could ruin it in hours? ;) May 07 17:49:59 there were a moment in history that, a few doctors came out and say hey smoking is totally safe May 07 17:50:37 joga: no, that improved alot but I would not try to run it on fixed 600 for to long though May 07 17:50:37 but for this both side needs some physical prove May 07 17:50:43 at atomic level? May 07 17:50:47 chem|st: for some reason I'm tempted to try :) May 07 17:51:01 Mohammad: You mean the one named after the dead ostrich? May 07 17:51:16 personally I would *expect* nokia to have run it for long periods of 100% cpu use, but I dunno May 07 17:51:47 joga: well ask nokia for a spare device where something else is broken anyway to show people what the n900 is up for May 07 17:51:52 (that's what I would do if I were to release a phone, anyway. put it under stress for a few months and see) May 07 17:52:11 ~wiki C_(programming_language) May 07 17:52:17 At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_(programming_language) (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox programming language | name = C | paradigm = Imperative (procedural), structured | logo = | caption = "The C Programming Language" (also known as "K&R"), the seminal book on C | year = 1972 | designer = Dennis Ritchie | developer = Dennis Ritchie & Bell Labs | latest release version = C99 | latest release date = March 2000 | turing-complete = Yes | typing = ... May 07 17:52:45 joga: yeah the device stress tests look some kind different May 07 17:53:06 K&R == Kernigan & Ritchie May 07 17:53:22 I think the design will keep up to 4 years at least May 07 17:53:42 lol, elitist shutins! May 07 17:53:52 ooh, sorry May 07 17:53:55 does someone know if the info is right that 125MHz was kept out of settings because of malfunctioning? May 07 17:53:57 Somebody should start a social club or something. May 07 17:54:02 RST38h, lolwut May 07 17:54:14 chem|st, no idea May 07 17:54:41 chem|st, might prod Igor, though. May 07 17:54:43 chem|st: It's what rumor has May 07 17:55:09 instable May 07 17:55:50 I dont find any omap3 device running at 125MHz so it might be two issues [instability; powerconsumption] May 07 17:55:58 I bet on #1 May 07 17:56:08 which causes #2 ;) May 07 17:56:29 well if you put it that way it should do yes May 07 17:56:30 device will take longer to be stable again May 07 17:56:39 look for a free group gallery with rating button May 07 17:56:48 flickr has a group one but i can't see rating May 07 17:57:15 for n900 art May 07 17:57:33 how do i setup qemu on mac os for the qt creator sdk thingy beta? May 07 17:58:23 DocScrutinizer / SpeedEvil / javispedro (and anybody else relevent), just wanted to thank you guys for all of your hacktivity. It's nice to see things happening. :) May 07 17:58:40 nice =^.^= May 07 17:59:10 ack, same here (as my contributions were actually small during last 24h of amazing progress) May 07 17:59:30 one last thing, since you seem to know so much. How is the arm in the n900 different to desktop processors - if it is? May 07 18:00:17 Viliny_: It's optimized for low power consumption. That afects virtually all aspects of the chip and its properties May 07 18:00:26 ah i see May 07 18:00:35 Viliny_: the arm itself is a different architecture May 07 18:02:07 well basicly, you get so used to overclocking in the modern age when motherboards are coming out with built in overclocking and everyone doing it - my gaming laptop has a switch to overclock it - somewhere in all of this it just started to feel like a trivial thing. I have a 7 year computer which has been running heavily overclocked since day 1 without any problems and so has my current... May 07 18:02:08 ...newer computer May 07 18:02:38 but i don't pretend i know exactly how things work under the hood May 07 18:03:06 who does May 07 18:03:40 ok finnish rail is pretty bad May 07 18:04:22 Viliny_: that overclocking is really minimal comared to what is going on with N900 right now. Also - as mentioned above - the chip is *very* different in its properties to a usual Intel x86 processor May 07 18:05:19 So with all this and the huge overclocking thread with all it's supporters is going to end with a lot of users with dead phones in less than a year? May 07 18:05:24 and ppl are ocing up to 50 pct May 07 18:05:38 Viliny_: yes May 07 18:06:01 hopefully :P May 07 18:06:30 MohammadAG: why do you hate overclockers then? :P May 07 18:06:38 i mean, it's their phone, right? May 07 18:06:46 * MohammadAG thanks DocScrutinizer for that May 07 18:07:08 Viliny_: until it becomes my phone when I buy a used one that'll fail after 4 weeks May 07 18:07:18 a fun experiment for ti. wonder if we could get a report of time spent in OC May 07 18:08:10 to know when oc'ed device will die and sell it a week before that is an art(!) May 07 18:08:49 do you guys have any sources discussing overclocking and risks on arm processors? May 07 18:08:49 of thievery May 07 18:08:49 pupnik_: don't you know several apps like HAM already have hidden cpufreq analysis and reporting, and recent downtime in maemo.org was to implement the 'call home' ? :-) May 07 18:09:00 * MohammadAG doubts that May 07 18:09:03 but with a few human experiments the time would be more precise. May 07 18:09:10 overclocking is baad.. mkay? May 07 18:09:13 if there was 1 it'd have 10 views or so May 07 18:09:34 o/ ossipena May 07 18:09:47 hi MohammadAG May 07 18:10:08 and you won't be able to sell non oc'ed device if oc devices start dying May 07 18:10:19 Viliny_: search wikipedia for 'electromigration' May 07 18:10:20 coz nobody will know if yours is oc'ed or not May 07 18:10:39 wall[e]: exactly May 07 18:11:14 what was the dev channel name? May 07 18:11:44 #maemo-dev i think May 07 18:11:57 no May 07 18:11:57 :D May 07 18:12:05 #maemo-devel May 07 18:12:05 not if you have more then 1 developer May 07 18:12:06 :P May 07 18:12:07 What if I overclock overclock for like an hour and then switch back? Thats it? warranty is voided even if device fails one year from now? May 07 18:12:25 thanks May 07 18:12:28 #maemo-development May 07 18:12:31 grr May 07 18:12:35 Joefrig You only get one year warranty May 07 18:12:39 wondered too because maemo-dev was empty May 07 18:12:40 nope May 07 18:12:41 :) May 07 18:12:50 Joefrig: yes May 07 18:12:53 no dev channel? May 07 18:13:28 how do they know tho? May 07 18:13:32 MohammadAG: devel! May 07 18:13:50 Joefrig: see wikipedia 'electromigration' May 07 18:13:55 all finger prints over O and C buttons! May 07 18:14:12 friendly welcome WARNING: Trolls will be booted on first troll May 07 18:14:13 DocScrutinizer yes i read some of that wikipage but i just wondered if there would be an article about these particular processors falling victim to this effect May 07 18:14:44 Viliny_: it's all in TI's datasheet for the processor May 07 18:14:55 im sorry, TI ? May 07 18:14:57 ossipena, #maemo-devel it is then.. May 07 18:15:01 ok, i've made myself two ekiga accounts, and set one up on the n900 May 07 18:15:02 Texas Instruments May 07 18:15:17 i can call their echo service on my pc, works fine May 07 18:15:28 i can call the phone from the pc, and hear sound from the pc May 07 18:15:31 MohammadAG: [2010-05-07 20:12:04] #maemo-devel :-P May 07 18:15:33 but no sound from phone on pc May 07 18:15:40 i can call the PC from the phone May 07 18:15:47 it connects, but no sound May 07 18:15:50 wtf? May 07 18:15:54 DocScrutinizer, lol forgot to quote you ;p May 07 18:16:10 im having a hard time finding anything with google on the subject - i guess i should stop asking about this May 07 18:16:11 mic dead? May 07 18:16:30 BCMM: there is a bug in telepathy with ekiga accounts May 07 18:16:39 who ya gonna call? GhostBusters! :P May 07 18:16:54 BCMM: I'd say your pc settings are wrong, have you tried to call another phone? May 07 18:17:00 you should use another provider or/and hope they fix ekiga in pr 1.2 if they ever will May 07 18:17:06 BCMM: try with a decent phone instead of PC May 07 18:17:14 summel: oh nice May 07 18:17:19 chem|st: yes :D May 07 18:17:26 chem|st: well, the PC is ekiga with an ekiga.net account May 07 18:17:34 chem|st: and it works fine on thier echo service May 07 18:17:35 "The ARM Cortex™-A8 processor is based on the ARMv7 architecture and has the ability to scale in speed from 600MHz to greater than 1GHz." - Is this not what the N900 is using? May 07 18:17:37 i just registered with another free sip provider :) May 07 18:17:41 Viliny_: just stop oc and go for tweaking instead May 07 18:17:45 summel: ah, thanks May 07 18:17:53 Viliny_, yes May 07 18:17:59 but i use jingle more often then sip May 07 18:18:00 summel: who would you recommend? i'm kinda overwhelmed by the number of SIP providers May 07 18:18:05 chem|st: any tips on flash performance? May 07 18:18:15 BCMM: just asecond i check what provider i used :D May 07 18:18:30 Viliny_: the series is able to yes but the version used for n900 is limited to 600 May 07 18:18:40 DocScrutinizer: Do Nokia really go through the process of checking traces of atoms to see if it's been overclocked? May 07 18:18:41 summel: ideally, one which can make calls to landlines, and is peered with other SIP networks May 07 18:18:43 www.sip2sip.info May 07 18:18:44 Viliny_: SD or build in? May 07 18:18:50 chem|st: has that limitation or is limited to? May 07 18:19:10 BCMM: afaik they also do landlines (but you have to pay for that of course) May 07 18:19:10 has that limitation May 07 18:19:25 Viliny_: that the CPU itself can scale to that frequency does not imply that the n900 can dissapate heat from the CPU when it runs at that frequency May 07 18:19:30 chem|st: SD or build in? I'm sorry i didn't understand that May 07 18:19:31 Joefrig: no, that's another point why we hate OCers. Nokia will simply say "OC - no warranty" no matter what the actual cause of failure was May 07 18:19:40 it's not heat... May 07 18:19:40 BCMM: whats wrong with sipgate? May 07 18:19:58 chem|st: uh, lemme think, i tried a few May 07 18:20:05 chem|st: i think it wouldn't make calls to ekiga May 07 18:20:20 Viliny_: for flash... and now I am the riddle king... you mean flash as in adobe May 07 18:20:34 yes i mean the flash support in microb May 07 18:20:37 summel: and sip2sip can basically make calls to other sip networks? May 07 18:20:45 DocScrutinizer: I understand, it is unfair if someone fried their device and then starts complaining to Nokia May 07 18:20:46 Joefrig: though you bet Nokia will find ways to tell the device was overclocked, even without electron microscopy May 07 18:20:58 BCMM: yes that is for free :) May 07 18:21:06 summel: thanks May 07 18:21:11 Viliny_: have you tried firefox for flash? May 07 18:21:14 though i could not successfully test video sip calls because i only have one sip contact :D May 07 18:21:20 summel: do you mind if i ask you when i get stuck working out configuration May 07 18:21:21 ? May 07 18:21:31 summel: the n900 does SIP video calls? May 07 18:21:45 chem|st: it seemed slower overall so i went with the assumption that flash would be bad as well May 07 18:21:49 sure, but i dont know if i can help... i only registered and made it work on the n900 i dont call landlines with sip :D May 07 18:22:00 Joefrig: see wikipedia JTAG, to get an idea May 07 18:22:06 summel: well, i'm pretty confused about sip in general May 07 18:22:11 BCMM: with pr1.2 it will May 07 18:22:14 BCMM: when i cal my sip contact i can see the camera button for a short time so i guess it can May 07 18:22:33 but i know the contacts client has problems with video calls May 07 18:22:35 BCMM: i dont get that :( May 07 18:22:56 DocScrutinizer: yah if the device was o/c'ed when it died they could read that info using jtag May 07 18:23:45 chem|st: so no, haven't tested it May 07 18:24:03 Joefrig: they also can spot the location of a breakage down to very few gates on a chip, and then consider how likely it is those gates failed by another reason than OC May 07 18:24:35 this can be done independantly of the kernel that's in NAND when the device breaks May 07 18:24:49 DocScrutinizer: isn't that too much work? May 07 18:24:59 * DocScrutinizer shrugs May 07 18:25:24 ...or they go the simple route and claim "OC" no matter what the actual error is May 07 18:25:36 DocScrutinizer: yeah they are looking at the hardware itself May 07 18:25:50 whatever is earning more money to Nokia May 07 18:26:08 has a single device been destroyed yet? May 07 18:26:08 Viliny_: I got only initial hickups but those I have with a dualcore just the same.... May 07 18:26:33 I bet several were destroyed, but nobody will let you know May 07 18:26:49 DocScrutinizer: I kinda doubt they wouldn't come whining on tmo. May 07 18:27:11 * DocScrutinizer shrugs again May 07 18:27:20 Shapeshifter: after the last discussion I doubt they come... May 07 18:27:21 The people who thought their device went poof came and complained so i have a hard time thinking those with the real deal wouldn't May 07 18:28:30 summel: not working :( May 07 18:28:38 nota bene the CPU won't explode in a sudden, it just starts throwing more and more errors, segfaulting processes, freezing for no apparent reason, and so on May 07 18:28:42 i can call my pc, it rings, it connects May 07 18:28:44 no sound May 07 18:28:49 i cannot call the phone from the pc May 07 18:28:53 i can IM from the phone to the PC May 07 18:28:55 and about the 500mhz idle being dangerous - well at least you *could* lock it at 412mhz. that's what the iphone uses and I haven't seen those go poof. May 07 18:28:59 but i cannot send IM from the pc May 07 18:29:25 Shapeshifter, the battery would go poof May 07 18:29:34 DocScrutinizer: my n900 is already freezing for no apparent reason and I'm not overclocking :P May 07 18:29:35 BCMM: NAT issue? May 07 18:29:43 i suspect the phone will not so much break as wear out at a greatly increased rate May 07 18:29:48 DocScrutinizer: probably... May 07 18:29:54 DocScrutinizer: but they are both on the same network May 07 18:29:56 Someone on talk mentioned that other devices using the same processor are running at 800mhz, thoughts? May 07 18:30:03 DocScrutinizer: so i don't understand the assymetry May 07 18:30:08 Shapeshifter: see? how likely is it you'll blame OC if that gets more frequent? May 07 18:30:20 Viliny_: those other devices have different power supplies and different thermal management May 07 18:30:29 DocScrutinizer: mh? I was joking anyway, because IO is so damn slow. May 07 18:30:51 / makes the device freeze May 07 18:31:03 BCMM: heat wasn't an issue, remember? May 07 18:31:08 BCMM: and probably different chip version May 07 18:31:37 DocScrutinizer, did you fix the pwr btn? May 07 18:31:38 Viliny_: why isn't heat an issue? May 07 18:31:50 BCMM: 2 SIP clients behind same NAT always is asking for trouble May 07 18:32:07 DocScrutinizer: worse than 2 sip clients behind different NATs? May 07 18:32:09 BCMM: i don't know, it's been repeated here several times now May 07 18:32:18 MohammadAG: no. For now I'm practicing how to push it the right way May 07 18:32:26 i'll give it a go on 3g May 07 18:32:28 BCMM: yes May 07 18:32:31 still, before a clear verdict has been reached, I think claims in both directions are just wild guesses. Just because some guy from nokia said not to lock it at high frequencies (which would be using the cpu outside it's specs) doesn't mean it's all evil and stuff. I haven't seen any evidence regarding a notable difference in speed anywhere, I haven't seen any evidence for cpu's being damaged (yet). May 07 18:32:48 it's all "*shrug" May 07 18:33:21 s/speed/fluidity May 07 18:33:25 BCMM: (heat) see wikipedia 'electromigration' May 07 18:33:41 we do have docs from ti May 07 18:34:22 i should point out that i wasn't arguing that your device will be damaged; i was arguing that it is plausible that it will be May 07 18:34:31 /mode +m May 07 18:34:37 in practise, there will be a safe degree to which it can be overclocked May 07 18:34:37 :-S May 07 18:34:40 that nobody knows yet May 07 18:34:46 * DocScrutinizer needs more coffee May 07 18:35:00 /mode +m <-- please? May 07 18:35:04 gonna wear out that wikipedia page doc May 07 18:35:13 noo May 07 18:35:14 lol May 07 18:35:28 on 3g, i can't even send im or connect a call May 07 18:35:42 huh? May 07 18:35:46 still, I wonder if the cache flush when clock-scaling has a notable impact on the experience. May 07 18:35:59 * pupnik_ has worn through n900 kbd May 07 18:36:17 BCMM: try to call (from) a decent landline phone to your N900 SIP client May 07 18:36:27 Alright, well i'm sorry for bringing this topic to the channel discussion. I honestly didn't know you guys despised overclocking the device so much... in fact i even thought you would like the idea - wasn't my intention to start any arguments or unpleasantries here... with that apology ill f off and stop bothering you all May 07 18:36:35 DocScrutinizer: oh, i forgot it gave me a real number May 07 18:37:03 Viliny_: you're welcome May 07 18:37:07 look, right now this discussion is moot we have official word saying just dont bother - thats been there from the start and made very clear by eero, the only people who can officially say otherwise are gonna be eero and the system sw guys after discussions with ti themselves - May 07 18:37:09 mom said i spoke too fast on OC device May 07 18:38:20 who is eero lcuk ? a nokia worker? May 07 18:38:38 lcuk: could you set up an autoresponder for that, please? :-D May 07 18:39:22 apparently i forget it didn't give me a real number :( May 07 18:40:33 Ah, cool, these guys switched to self service now: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/05/06/1617423/miami-airport-screener-beats-co.html May 07 18:40:36 BCMM: switch for a decent SIP provider then ;-P ekiga is crap anyway (for the provider side for sure). I suggest sipgate.(de|at|uk) if that applies to you May 07 18:40:39 what scientific research is there that proves that 601 mhz will severely reduce the life time of said device, when the processor (65nm LP) is marketet to handle up to 800 mhz ? May 07 18:41:01 DocScrutinizer: i'm using sip2sip ATM May 07 18:41:26 HB: nobody said 601 will kill it May 07 18:41:33 HB: nobody knows what will kill it May 07 18:41:34 HB: it might have been downclocked for other reasons than potential lifetime May 07 18:41:44 HB: like heat May 07 18:41:47 for the electromigration problems, as long as using the same voltage it should not be an issue? right? May 07 18:41:56 battery life is one of my principle things May 07 18:41:56 No. May 07 18:42:20 HB: wrong May 07 18:42:29 screw anything else - mainting a healthy phone between charges outweighs anything, and we have plenty of horsepower to run all the apps we need May 07 18:42:59 Has anyone tried porting Deluge? May 07 18:43:03 HB: omap has a special technology called SmartReflex, that decouples core from core voltage May 07 18:43:05 it is totally absurd to claim that 100% usage on 600mhz would not cause the same strain as an OCd device as long as the electrodensity is kept the same May 07 18:43:28 lcuk: Sorry to disappoint your zeal, but apparently, overclocked n900s do not eat that much more power May 07 18:43:31 HB: and it's not volage but current which causes electromigration May 07 18:43:42 RST38h, a runaway process does May 07 18:43:48 lcuk: Probably because they still spend most of their time at lower frequencies May 07 18:43:49 DocScrutinizer: HB yeah current May 07 18:43:52 yeah i know May 07 18:44:13 just as now we run at lower frequencies most of the time May 07 18:44:27 HB its like perforating an Al-foil with a needle or a shotgun May 07 18:44:35 lcuk: Besides, the overclocked kernels actually lower core voltage May 07 18:44:55 in this case a Cu-foil with electrons May 07 18:44:58 lcuk: So, that higher current argument should also be taken with a bit of caution May 07 18:45:08 Ummm, how do i update usb drivers on ubuntu? My portable hd ain't working with it (doesn't detect) May 07 18:45:12 HB: I.E electron density is a function of cpufrq and SmartReflex action, but not of core voltage May 07 18:45:25 Tuukka: have you tried #ubuntu? May 07 18:45:52 i still maintain that the research into this is pretty dim, the circumstances are what decides the outcome, will there be more idle time on a oc processor e.g. and how big the higher rate is compared to the original. May 07 18:46:02 Viliny_: ? May 07 18:46:03 Tuukka: what does dmsg say? May 07 18:46:13 HB: A lot of research into the causes of cancer is pretty dim May 07 18:46:31 Tuukka: You asked a ubuntu related question on a maemo channel - im confused about your confusion? May 07 18:46:34 HB: Will you risk it though? May 07 18:46:43 this is not talk about cancer matey, this is talks about electronics May 07 18:46:53 HB: seems TI has done pretty broad research into that, and gave us the results May 07 18:47:20 could you please link me the results, i obviously have some reading to do.. May 07 18:47:26 DocScrutinizer: have you got a link to that material so i could have a look? May 07 18:47:43 Oh and btw, i just reflashed to original - for all the haters :) May 07 18:47:49 there's some highspeed usb devices May 07 18:47:51 RST38h: precisely May 07 18:47:56 Hi May 07 18:48:03 AND i intend to tell any buyers about the oc if i ever end up selling the phone May 07 18:48:07 hi johnsq May 07 18:48:19 HB: research on this matter made it possible to reduce size, I may not call it research if a bunch of el engineers do that by try and error but you might do... May 07 18:48:53 HB: Texas Instruments rates the chips it sells to Nokia at 600MHz top May 07 18:48:54 Viliny_: that way you may pack it up as present May 07 18:48:59 Viliny_: check texas_instruments.com - they provide all the papers, you just need to find the right one. Sorry no decent pointer here atm, as their download interface is really awkward May 07 18:49:11 HB: Even on that frequency, they have got a relatively short time between failures May 07 18:49:37 mh. I want a fuel cell for my n900. :> May 07 18:49:38 HB: No, "matey", if you are willing to disprove that, it is ok to go ahead and overclock your own device May 07 18:49:45 chem|st: pack it up as present? May 07 18:50:04 HB: As long as you are aware of voiding your warranty, that is fine and dandy May 07 18:50:13 i own no n900 matey :) May 07 18:50:30 Shapeshifter, why a fuel cell? I want nuclear cells! May 07 18:50:30 HB: But would you please spare us all the necessity of listening to your endless chatter about it? May 07 18:51:01 MohammadAG: well a fuel cell might actually be feasable. I'd love it. probably... May 07 18:51:04 HB: If you do not own an n900, then I am not even sure WHY you are talking about this oc subject May 07 18:51:23 Shapeshifter, a nuclear 1 is feasable too May 07 18:51:25 im intrested in the processor in it self, as well as any device running on it May 07 18:51:26 Shouldn't you be talking about ovecrlocking your iPhone or Android instead? May 07 18:51:30 MohammadAG: the best thing about it is the recharge time of like 5 seconds. May 07 18:51:52 HB: why? it's an outdated chip anyway. May 07 18:51:57 well, nuclear batteries should have 1.5k lifetime on one charge May 07 18:52:00 You can get a 1GHz-rated OMAP3 from TI and use it. May 07 18:52:04 * DocScrutinizer away for more coffe, mumbling XXX-rated stuff May 07 18:52:05 (depending on half life) May 07 18:52:10 N900 has a 600MHz-rated OMAP3. May 07 18:52:16 if i can connect to a SIP account when on wifi, but can't when on 3g, does that mean my network is blocking SIP? May 07 18:52:18 MohammadAG, nuclear batteries should not leave me with additional testicles tho May 07 18:52:20 Any more questions? May 07 18:52:21 ah, overclocking! May 07 18:52:28 moo javispedro May 07 18:52:36 hi javispedro May 07 18:52:39 afternoon May 07 18:52:55 great deal of work done on hostmode today :-D May 07 18:52:58 RST38h, yes, why do we all moo? May 07 18:53:04 hey javispedro May 07 18:53:06 javispedro: thanks a lot May 07 18:53:08 I saw the thread about using a wiimote as a gamepad. Is there anyway to use it to control kmplayer? May 07 18:53:15 Mohammad: No idea why you moo. I moo because I am a cow. May 07 18:53:26 MohammadAG: UGT May 07 18:53:29 DocScrutinizer: at this point I am not following what egoshin is doing though May 07 18:53:45 ~ugt May 07 18:53:45 extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html May 07 18:54:05 hi May 07 18:54:13 heya hrw May 07 18:54:17 hey hrw May 07 18:54:28 how to make screenshot of maemo5 from shell? May 07 18:54:29 hrw: you did also n900 host mode work previously iirc? May 07 18:54:38 javispedro: no May 07 18:54:44 ah May 07 18:55:04 I have modest in portrait May 07 18:55:18 hrw: there's a tool, "screenshot-tool" May 07 18:55:22 should be in some repo, probably tools May 07 18:55:24 the video quality of the n900 is awesome. i'm amazed everytime. May 07 18:55:24 so far tried to use in portrait: modest, witter, conversations May 07 18:55:34 picture quality is abysmal, video quality is sweet. May 07 18:56:48 javispedro: sdk/tools? May 07 18:56:50 Shapeshifter, yeah when i used macro recording n900-n900 i was surprised May 07 18:56:55 crystal clear recording May 07 18:57:15 it's amazing. what do you mean by n900-n900? May 07 18:57:31 is underclocking safe? May 07 18:57:36 ... May 07 18:57:53 Shapeshifter: recorded video? May 07 18:58:00 hrw: think so May 07 18:58:06 Viliny_: recording using the camera, yes. May 07 18:58:29 ah yeah, really a lottery with the camera May 07 18:58:38 haven't played back any video yet May 07 18:58:46 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/screenshot-tool/ May 07 18:59:42 thx May 07 19:00:21 shift-ctrl-r shortcut roxx May 07 19:02:31 is it possible to get raw data from camera or does it produce jpegs directly on hardware? May 07 19:02:36 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/shots/modest1.png May 07 19:03:14 zokier, I don't know, but it's pretty advanced so I guess it can do both ways. but bandwidth might be an issue if you want many images. May 07 19:03:28 nice hrw! May 07 19:03:44 mh. well that is odd. I installed transitioncontrol but it doesn't show up in the more menu. I did dpkg -L transitioncontrol to see what files it owns and /usr/share/applications/hildon/transitioncontrol.desktop is there and the contents look okay. May 07 19:03:50 why's it not in the more menu? May 07 19:04:23 lcuk: no hacks - just LR1.2 + one shortcut May 07 19:04:49 http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/download/maemo/shots/vert-witter.png shows that witter needs some help May 07 19:05:02 yeah hrw :) you gonna make a writeup of eveyrthing that works well May 07 19:05:12 hey! im on that photo May 07 19:06:01 oooh, it has portrait now? May 07 19:06:32 I'd be happy if modest would enable me to select text ... May 07 19:06:38 MohammadAG: there is a debug shortcut in hildon to switch app to portrait May 07 19:06:48 oh May 07 19:06:59 DocScrutinizer: a question though, what happens if vbus is literally 0v when trying to be host of a selfpowered hub? does it depend on the hub, does the standard dictate something? May 07 19:07:07 MohammadAG: you need LR1.2 for it May 07 19:07:30 javispedro: I am using powered hubs which do not have +5v line with beagleboard May 07 19:07:39 :/ May 07 19:07:41 javispedro: depends on hub for all I know May 07 19:07:56 hrw, can't i just use the 1.2 hildon desktop? May 07 19:08:25 MohammadAG: do backup and try May 07 19:08:34 MohammadAG: prepare for reflashing anyway May 07 19:08:41 I have the suspicion that my hub might use host vbus May 07 19:08:46 for its controller May 07 19:08:46 and why's that May 07 19:08:58 I have the packages for 1.2 installed for about a week May 07 19:09:08 I have a hub here that clearly doesn't care about VBUS on upstream port, as it is simply linked to the external power receptacle via a diode aiui May 07 19:09:08 hrw: hey, you have a beagleboard? May 07 19:09:34 the one with a working otg port? May 07 19:09:35 javispedro: 3 May 07 19:09:48 interesting May 07 19:09:50 ctrl shift r you say, it works! May 07 19:10:03 javispedro: see http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/Y-Cable/ May 07 19:10:42 hrw: heh, could we ask you to do some simple tests for us? :-) May 07 19:10:48 ++ :) May 07 19:10:48 javispedro: B7 + 2xC3 - all worked May 07 19:11:03 DocScrutinizer: after UDS-M please. so 17th May May 07 19:11:16 hmm, k May 07 19:11:19 DocScrutinizer: today I do not want to play with BB and next week I am at uds-m May 07 19:11:29 whatever UDS-M might be May 07 19:11:34 ubuntu summit iirc May 07 19:11:42 eeew May 07 19:11:52 ubuntu developers summit (maverick) May 07 19:12:04 DocScrutinizer: I work for Canonical May 07 19:12:12 ;-P May 07 19:12:32 hrw: http://xkcd.com/424/ May 07 19:13:15 lol, very good May 07 19:13:25 hrw: but never mind, we all do stuff we would like to be different May 07 19:14:10 ah, the igepv2 has a tsp65950 instead of twl3040 May 07 19:14:15 probably canonical isn't the worst you can find May 07 19:14:25 hrw: can you kick the guy that decided licensing H.264? May 07 19:14:28 or girl May 07 19:14:30 but the ips is pin compatible with the 3040 iirc May 07 19:14:30 who knows May 07 19:14:34 DocScrutinizer: ;) May 07 19:14:41 javispedro: huh? May 07 19:15:06 I was once thinking of buying http://www.igep.es/images/stories/igepv2_rc_photo2.jpg May 07 19:15:15 beagleboard-alike with wi-fi May 07 19:15:57 note the usb host connected to ehci controller and otg to musb May 07 19:16:19 javispedro: no idea what's a igepv2, but on N900 we also have TSP65950 iirc, aka TWL5030/4030 May 07 19:16:57 s/ips/tsp :P May 07 19:17:14 DocScrutinizer: I think the tsp65950 is the 4030 with fixed charger detection May 07 19:18:50 echo musb_hdrc >unload; modprobe OHCI_HCD May 07 19:19:32 I wonder how we should 'disable bme' like suggested by blue_led May 07 19:20:38 javispedro: (fixed chrg_det) makes sense May 07 19:21:06 hm, they do not share pins May 07 19:21:31 javispedro: please also read http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB every now and then May 07 19:22:07 ah, interesting. May 07 19:25:52 another interesting test would be to try to boot a host mode only kernel. this probably will be more easy with a meego image or something less prone to crashing on boot. May 07 19:26:11 aiui beagleboards with those. May 07 19:26:15 *work. May 07 19:28:13 btw in case you're interesting when looking through the kernel, the n8x0 host stuff is in the n900 kernel. instead of omap2430.c they use http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/tusb6010.c May 07 19:28:14 * pupnik toasts javispedro and channel May 07 19:28:29 *interested. May 07 19:28:37 * javispedro zaps pupnik May 07 19:29:33 at least we know the n8x0 one works perfectly. May 07 19:30:22 * javispedro --> out. May 07 19:31:05 gah May 07 19:36:33 lol ... while looking at ohloh.net for the first time May 07 19:36:40 i look at ranking ... May 07 19:36:42 https://www.ohloh.net/people/rankings?show=19906 May 07 19:36:50 and just before my position i see GeneralAntilles May 07 19:36:53 :) May 07 19:36:53 hh May 07 19:38:42 SpeedEvil: search schematics for 'Vdigimic'; please tell me what you think May 07 19:40:04 Khertan: i thought you were top 3 at first :) May 07 19:40:18 and ... nope :) May 07 19:40:40 but from what i see many of my project aren't in this tracker May 07 19:42:51 about maemo on ohloh : Decreasing year-over-year development activity May 07 19:42:54 :) May 07 19:43:24 where does it pull from? May 07 19:43:27 Khertan, then get coding more May 07 19:43:55 lcuk, yep May 07 19:44:04 but as i'm learning a new framework May 07 19:44:10 i made many mistake :) May 07 19:44:15 but it s in progress : May 07 19:44:20 if generalantilles is ahead of you then that means its not noticing everything May 07 19:45:00 http://gitorious.org/khteditor < :) May 07 19:45:34 it s funny to see that highlighting syntax and kinectic scrolling are more faster in qt May 07 19:45:51 (and easier to do) May 07 19:46:34 is there really that big a difference when you are coding in python? May 07 19:46:49 hum ... the framework :) May 07 19:46:55 I have problem with apt-get -> I cant install or upgrade anything, it just says "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)". Graphical application manager installs applications without any problems. http://pastebin.org/207782 May 07 19:47:02 a framework that take for search a regex May 07 19:47:32 and one that didn't use it ... mean that you need to do it yourself May 07 19:47:43 so you pass more time in python ... so a bit slower May 07 19:47:58 but a counter example is the keyPressEvent May 07 19:48:19 i didn't understand why it s slower than the equivalent things with gtk May 07 19:48:29 and yes this make diff May 07 19:57:06 597 * REVISIT: It would be possible to add support for changing between host May 07 19:57:08 598 * and peripheral modes in non-OTG configurations by reconfiguring hardware May 07 19:57:09 599 * and then setting musb->board_mode. For now, only support OTG mode. May 07 19:57:30 from http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/tusb6010.c May 07 20:09:56 are we hunting wabbits? May 07 20:12:59 does having battery eye and battery graph contribute noticeably to the battery getting drained? May 07 20:13:06 i mean if they track the battery life constantly May 07 20:13:22 might be May 07 20:14:33 what's wabbits? May 07 20:14:59 ~dict wabbit May 07 20:15:03 Dictionary 'wabbit' (1 of 2): /wab'it/ [almost certainly from Elmer Fudd's immortal line "You wascawwy wabbit!"] 1. A legendary early hack reported on a System/360 at RPI and elsewhere around 1978; this may have descended (if only by inspiration) from hack called RABBITS reported from 1969 on a Burroughs 55000 at the University of Washington Computer Center. The program would make two copies of itself every time it was run, eventually crashing ... May 07 20:15:57 DocScrutinizer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBAZidONziI at :28 May 07 20:15:57 forkbomb? May 07 20:15:58 DocScrutinizer - if the beforementioned apps constantly wake the processor or something to that effect? May 07 20:16:13 Viliny_: yep, possibly May 07 20:17:19 is there a program for maemo like the one i had in ubuntu from ... intel or nvidia which diagnosed the laptop to determine worst cpu wake uppers? May 07 20:17:27 and then suggest steps to get better battery life? May 07 20:18:05 Viliny_, theres powertop May 07 20:18:18 but if its in ubuntu - is it a gui app? May 07 20:18:23 or just a console report? May 07 20:19:27 mh. powertop ain't packaged. May 07 20:22:24 Shapeshifter, http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ ? May 07 20:23:18 :[ May 07 20:23:29 apt-cache search powertop didn't show it >.> May 07 20:24:45 Shapeshifter: I had to download the pkg somewhere. Sorry forgot the source URL May 07 20:26:50 DocScrutinizer: mhh May 07 20:26:59 Yo May 07 20:27:10 but this is odd. if it's on the packages page, why can't I find it in extras-devel May 07 20:27:21 I appear to have confused the media player somewhat XD May 07 20:27:22 Hello, I'm not a bot, but I will be immediately going idle. May 07 20:27:25 ah wait. "building failed" May 07 20:27:38 it's broken and the packager didn't finish his job ;) May 07 20:27:56 ManoftheSea, why? May 07 20:28:29 Anyone have any clue as to how you'd nuke phantom entries in the media players library? May 07 20:29:06 Its gone from claiming 11k files to jjst over 5k, but its driving me mental. May 07 20:29:54 On a related note, dont ever copy the entire L4D2 folder to your N900 unless you want the same problem XD May 07 20:30:32 Cabletwitch: nule the tracker db May 07 20:30:51 tracker-processes -r May 07 20:31:16 Hmm. A terminal job, then? May 07 20:31:33 /home/user/.tracker/* May 07 20:31:34 Lemme guess, gonna need to go root to do that? May 07 20:31:37 yes May 07 20:31:45 well - actually - no May 07 20:32:03 for /home/user? I'd be surprised May 07 20:32:23 You may recall I'm barely above new user with these sorts of things. Be gentle :O) May 07 20:33:16 Nokia'd be better off keeping away from tracker a lightyear May 07 20:33:21 I'm the system-proof idiot that manages to stuff up idiot-proof systems. May 07 20:33:50 lcuk: because I'll be coming back eventually, and I'll be able to view the community standards. May 07 20:33:59 fun... finally the ~/ filesystem crashed and took most of the data with it on the n900 May 07 20:34:24 uuh May 07 20:34:29 Glad to know I'm not the only one breaking stuff. May 07 20:34:46 well this was just normal use May 07 20:34:52 ManoftheSea, thats reasonable - where do you normally hang out and what sort of community do you expect to see here? May 07 20:35:12 repartitioned mmc but still if the init process supported fscking every so often this wouldn't have happened May 07 20:35:48 I'll be asking questions. But I love my linux handheld. Away now May 07 20:36:16 I think I went through some 10 fscks on all mmc partitions using the handy bootmenu.sh and a fbcon capable kernel :) May 07 20:36:36 the 10 fscks were due to all the errors that kept happening May 07 20:36:59 * Cabletwitch understood about 10% of what ruskie said. May 07 20:38:10 now I'm wondering if I should reimport contacts and configure it back to par or reflash it with meego and have a play with that or reflash it with 1.1 and go from there again May 07 20:38:45 I fsck'd non-mounted /home and that nuked it :) May 07 20:38:47 Cabletwitch: listen to MohammadAG ! May 07 20:39:13 MohammadAG: tracker-processes [OPTION...] - Manage Tracker processes and data; -r, --hard-reset This will kill all Tracker processes and remove all databases May 07 20:39:26 err May 07 20:39:30 Cabletwitch: ^^^ May 07 20:39:39 it was "mounted with errors" but working fine before that.. I shouldn't have ran fsck :) May 07 20:39:53 so... tracker-processes --hard-reset? May 07 20:40:27 ShadowJK, yeah same here... though it wasn't working fine May 07 20:40:34 was losing files and so on May 07 20:40:46 I'll go give that a try. See if I cant break something else while I'm at it. May 07 20:40:58 you can't put a fs that requires maintenance every so often and skip the maintenance May 07 20:43:36 good thing I have some backup of all the stuff from january or so May 07 20:43:41 fsck fuckng instead fsckng isn't really nice, it's fsckng nasty May 07 20:43:50 No, that didnt work. looks like the entries for these files are still present in the system, even after the files were deleted. May 07 20:44:07 Cabletwitch: that's really strange May 07 20:44:23 Cabletwitch: you restarted the mediaplayer? May 07 20:44:31 Might have had something do do with it going mental while removong said files. May 07 20:44:38 tracker-processes --hard-reset May 07 20:44:43 check /home space May 07 20:44:44 Restarted everything. May 07 20:44:54 check /home space May 07 20:44:58 ~nuke tracker May 07 20:45:12 gah May 07 20:45:17 ~ping May 07 20:45:17 ~pong May 07 20:45:21 * Cabletwitch goes to check... May 07 20:45:24 wtf? May 07 20:45:30 ~nuke tracker May 07 20:45:35 tracker is protected by nokia May 07 20:45:40 ~lart tracker May 07 20:45:40 * infobot beats tracker to within 2.54cm of his life May 07 20:45:52 ~nuke infobot May 07 20:45:55 ~factinfo nuke May 07 20:45:55 nuke -- last modified at Fri Jul 7 07:31:41 2006 by mikk1!i=bofh@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com; it has been requested 15 times, last by Tuukka, 4d 8h 26m 51s ago. May 07 20:46:54 :-S May 07 20:47:20 ~nuke May 07 20:47:20 Cockroach. I win. May 07 20:47:40 o.O May 07 20:47:45 ~docscrutinizer May 07 20:47:45 [docscrutinizer] jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko May 07 20:47:59 don't get it May 07 20:48:02 ~nuke May 07 20:48:02 Cockroach. I win. May 07 20:48:09 wtf May 07 20:48:13 ~nuke x May 07 20:48:16 Ok, nothing out of the ordinary, as far as my untrained eye can see. May 07 20:48:30 home isn't 100%? May 07 20:49:03 I wonder if whatever equivilant of the FAT table didnt get updated properly when it spazzed out while deleting those files. May 07 20:49:55 MohammadAG: I'm really unfamiliar with linux and its filesystem, so all I can tell you is there are no unexpected files. May 07 20:50:09 This is me on my learning cliff. May 07 20:51:54 df, and see how much space is free May 07 20:52:05 ~df May 07 20:52:06 rumour has it, df is at the top of the shot as well, reporting I still have 1.1M available - 62% usage May 07 20:52:18 One sec... May 07 20:52:33 Cabletwitch, df shows you all the partitions/mounts in use and their free space May 07 20:52:55 we should really have decent explanations of the common maemo stuff May 07 20:53:05 and whats expected for a normal run May 07 20:53:19 Ok, so what ma May 07 20:53:21 simple help yourself steps May 07 20:53:25 ma? May 07 20:53:28 * lcuk mmms May 07 20:53:34 What am I looking for? May 07 20:53:55 MohammadAG, what does he need to check May 07 20:53:59 Done the df, need to know what to tell you. May 07 20:54:02 * lcuk came into convo half way through May 07 20:54:15 /home May 07 20:54:22 rootfs should have some space avail, tell us the use % also May 07 20:54:47 got .thumbnails and /home/user/.local/share/tracker but no .tracker May 07 20:55:09 /dev/mmcblk0p2 2064208 1561328 398024 80% /home May 07 20:55:11 that May 07 20:55:38 Ahh, one sec. May 07 20:56:59 Mine is /dev/mmcblk0p1, and its... 13% May 07 20:57:08 nope May 07 20:57:19 No, my bad. May 07 20:57:21 that's MyDocs May 07 20:57:25 Missed the right one XD May 07 20:57:39 10% May 07 20:58:03 Presumably, thats the free space? May 07 20:58:10 nope May 07 20:58:13 used space May 07 20:58:17 afaik May 07 20:58:24 Ahh, thats less worrying then. May 07 20:59:42 If nothing else, I'm learning :O) May 07 21:00:59 damn we need HealthCheck to run a batch of tests and let people compare them online May 07 21:01:15 n00bmonk3y is never around when you want to slap him wit ha trout May 07 21:01:24 why? May 07 21:01:27 what for? May 07 21:01:57 what is an sdhc card May 07 21:03:24 n00bmonk3y is never around when you want to slap him wit ha trout May 07 21:03:30 he's on a trip May 07 21:03:30 high capacity SD card. May 07 21:03:40 It's a tiny data stroage card May 07 21:04:02 hmm May 07 21:04:18 Cabletwitch, did you reboot? May 07 21:04:20 oooh MohammadAG did he say where May 07 21:04:30 camping :) May 07 21:04:32 hope hes not got north sea fishing for cod May 07 21:04:36 SpeedEvil: so its capable on n900 May 07 21:04:44 MohammadAG: Many times. May 07 21:05:23 I'll be back in 20mins, walking trackside to work :O) May 07 21:05:30 kk May 07 21:05:42 when you get back run top and see if trackerd is running May 07 21:08:56 I feel like a such a traitor, but I couldn't help it. http://flic.kr/p/7ZoSoj May 07 21:09:32 hmm, would be cool if someone made a daemon the changes the png for the calendar app each day May 07 21:10:36 there's a widget that does something like that May 07 21:10:45 not exactly though May 07 21:10:51 the calendar widget May 07 21:11:03 DocScrutinizer, OTG thread at 777 posts lol May 07 21:11:23 nope, at 778 ;-P May 07 21:11:39 grr :P May 07 21:11:45 hehehe May 07 21:11:51 777 here :P May 07 21:12:06 F5! May 07 21:12:07 N900 will not allow USB OTG! (777) May 07 21:12:14 im not sure if my xchat is 'broken' but is there supposed to be a broken image sign with xchat's bubble notifications? May 07 21:12:34 i just went to page 77, that's persumabely a refresh equivelant May 07 21:12:35 Myrtti: there is no justice May 07 21:13:03 moo---: I know. It's horrible I'm using money to tune up a Nexus One I got for free May 07 21:13:47 hi. I have ssh installed on my N900 and sshd on my computer. sshd is listening to port 9000. I want to create a secure tunnel between the two to use it for the N900 browser. How do I start the tunnel? May 07 21:14:43 ssh -L serverportnumber:localhost:localportnumber serverhostname.com May 07 21:14:53 or that's how it works normally May 07 21:14:57 Myrtti: yes - that's not so helpful for http May 07 21:14:58 hold on May 07 21:15:07 does microb understand socks? May 07 21:15:11 yes May 07 21:15:26 ssh -L serverportnumber:localhost:localportnumber serverhostname.com -p 9000 May 07 21:15:42 but yes, not too useful May 07 21:15:49 does that work with http? May 07 21:16:14 DocScrutinizer, 777! May 07 21:16:47 MohammadAG: 778! May 07 21:17:03 stop your whinging and just post in the damned thread May 07 21:17:08 [ioan-n900~] ssh -p9000 -D1080 computer May 07 21:17:14 nah, i killed him May 07 21:17:15 :P May 07 21:17:22 then configure microb to use localhost 1080 as a socks proxy May 07 21:17:38 to Nokia N900 by joerg_rw - 6 mins ago May 07 21:17:43 777! :P May 07 21:17:53 Myrtti i am dissapoint. May 07 21:18:08 gavin: I'm trying right now May 07 21:18:18 BS, killed my Konversation May 07 21:18:19 looks awesome tho May 07 21:18:26 why cant we have those skins on n900? May 07 21:18:30 by hitting alt accidentally May 07 21:18:42 lcuk: since I don't have moneys to buy a N900, I use what I get for free... May 07 21:18:43 they are adhesive May 07 21:19:15 Myrtti, meh what device you use isnt important - we will have maemo/meego on it one day :) May 07 21:19:16 MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=648665&postcount=778 May 07 21:19:29 i like the skins May 07 21:19:42 tracy has tried 2 so far May 07 21:19:46 a hard plastic one May 07 21:19:51 and she has a jelly one May 07 21:19:54 neither seem right May 07 21:19:59 stick on might work May 07 21:19:59 that.. isn't showing up here .... even after 4 refreshes May 07 21:20:08 lol May 07 21:22:56 of course I had to get https://www.gelaskins.com/skins.php?SkinID=187&DeviceID=83&s=a&CategoryID=56 too May 07 21:26:25 heh Myrtti May 07 21:27:21 aaand back. May 07 21:27:50 Right, what did I miss? May 07 21:27:59 nothing interesting :P May 07 21:28:17 Icuk talking about hard plastic and jelly skins. May 07 21:28:42 Thats a bash quote if I ever saw one. May 07 21:29:27 Right, any further thoughts about the phantom file issue? May 07 21:30:03 gavin: do I need to do anything special on the computer? I have sshd running there.. that command connects to the computer, but when I try to browse the browser says: "proxy server refused connection" May 07 21:30:21 I talk about pink girly geeky stuff. May 07 21:30:23 so nothing new May 07 21:31:11 Myrtti: I can't say I'd have it on my phone - but very good example of what it is. May 07 21:32:12 hmm, the contacts app works well in portrait mode May 07 21:32:29 I had to have something pink, and I had to have the books. They're both quite busy designs and in hindsight I might have chosen something more downtuned, but oh well. May 07 21:32:32 I'm happy May 07 21:32:39 I'll return tomorrow, need to work now. Linux + trains = bad. May 07 21:32:55 http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1273267733160.jpg hot chicks! (worksafe) May 07 21:32:57 Laters! May 07 21:33:06 awww. May 07 21:34:56 i have some problem with the autobuilder .. at least i think it's autobuilder related May 07 21:35:08 effin nickserv :) May 07 21:35:25 i uploaded a package which had apparently the wrong section and a bad bugtracker link May 07 21:35:57 after i fixed it and uploaded again maemo.org/packages still shows the wrong section and the bad bugtracker link May 07 21:36:24 another package which had the same problem showed the correct values after fixing and reupload May 07 21:36:45 any idea what i could try to fix this? May 07 21:37:25 check the control file in the source, if it's right, blame the importer May 07 21:39:10 MohammadAG: ok, just double checked .. the control file has the correct settings May 07 21:39:33 you can blame the importer then May 07 21:39:39 (and ping X-Fade) May 07 21:39:43 Has anyone else complained of issues recently after uninstalling the "Enhanced Kernel" in the package manager? At the next reboot, it no longer boots up... I tried flasher-3.5 in linux to no avail... installed NSU on my coworkers machine today and I can't get that to work either... it briefly ever so briefly said windows saw Nokia ROM and then for an instant "Flashing Parent" or something, then an error that there was a problem, hardware my not May 07 21:40:12 MohammadAG: so should i mail the debmaster? May 07 21:40:24 he's here May 07 21:40:33 probably idle for the weekend though May 07 21:40:35 X-Fade: ping May 07 21:40:35 can't find info anywhere May 07 21:41:05 MohammadAG: ic .. thanks so far May 07 21:41:15 nw May 07 21:41:34 cero_absoluto, use flasher May 07 21:41:40 ~flashing May 07 21:41:40 somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 07 21:41:43 i did, followed the guide to the letter May 07 21:41:48 i'd try to flash only the kernel May 07 21:41:53 tried it May 07 21:42:02 in linux with the cli flasher, nothing is ever detected May 07 21:42:20 which buntu version? May 07 21:42:21 never gets past Suitable USB device not found, waiting May 07 21:42:23 ubuntu* May 07 21:42:28 debian lenny May 07 21:42:32 64 May 07 21:42:36 hmm May 07 21:42:48 ubuntu's been causing me problems in flashing May 07 21:42:58 cero_absoluto, type the command and let it wait May 07 21:43:10 i can't even get it to work with NSU under windows May 07 21:43:13 then remove the battery, plug the usb cable and insert the battery May 07 21:43:43 i've done i think pretty much all variations of hold "u" or not... whether the battery goes in first or the cable goes in first May 07 21:44:21 it also may be relevant that /home/user/ was not read only... but that /home/user/MyDocs went completely read only May 07 21:44:33 right before the issue May 07 21:44:37 shouldn't really matter May 07 21:44:44 for flashing May 07 21:44:45 i thought it might be related to that kernel i just installed, which was why i uninstalled May 07 21:45:47 kernel worked for me when i was using it May 07 21:45:58 ~seen t-tan May 07 21:46:03 t-tan is currently on #maemo (1h 30m 30s) #meego (1h 30m 30s), last said: 'jacekowski: I don't know where you're living but in most developed countries copyright infringement itself is criminal'. May 07 21:46:28 how do I find out what port skype is using while connected? May 07 21:46:41 wireshark or a proxy May 07 21:47:13 kernel problems? May 07 21:47:56 haha, yeah... uninstalled the enhanced kernel yesterday or the day before... went to reboot and no worky worky... never made it past the dark nokia screen May 07 21:48:25 flashers don't seem to work, the linux flasher-3.5 under debian lenny amd64 or NSU under xp on a different machine May 07 21:48:39 how did you uninstall it? without reading the deinstallation instructions? May 07 21:49:11 pretty much May 07 21:49:18 i uninstalled it in the application manager May 07 21:49:21 the same way i installed it May 07 21:49:54 tsk tsk tsk, you should've installed kernel-flasher May 07 21:49:58 reinstalled* May 07 21:50:23 flashing the kernel should work... May 07 21:50:28 should have, but there was no message of such upon install or uninstall, so i claim at least 50% not at fault May 07 21:50:35 :) May 07 21:50:44 oh god, I can't type anymore May 07 21:50:44 I wish users would RTFM. the next version will include a big fat warning. the real problem is a flaw in Nokia's preinit... May 07 21:51:35 but actually just deinstalling kernel-power-flasher should leave the kernel intact... May 07 21:52:55 of course its always a user issue... users should know to visit some obscure url to receive instructions that they cannot uninstall a package they installed with the app manager, using the app manager without bricking May 07 21:53:06 :-P May 07 21:53:10 i'm a developer too, but cmon May 07 21:53:40 what i glean from this convo is that this issue has caused devices to brick, but it has not caused flashing issues May 07 21:53:58 power users should know how to read the pkg description :) May 07 21:54:09 t-tan, add a postinst script and make it apt-get --reinstall install kernel kernel-flasher May 07 21:54:11 so i guess i'll go over every flashing scenario again until something works or until i give up May 07 21:54:14 postrm* May 07 21:54:29 MohammadAG: doesn't work. you can't call apt-get form within a postinst script May 07 21:54:48 or any other package script May 07 21:55:19 the next version will include an icon to deinstall the kernel and to restore the original May 07 21:56:06 I can't reproduce the problems some users have with deinstalling the flasher package via HAM May 07 22:06:16 well, i guess at this point i'm pretty well fucked... not connected to the pc, pop battery in, push power button, no white light... May 07 22:06:46 run flasher with battery in... then connect usb cord... steady yellow light into the dark nokia screen, and then nothing May 07 22:07:07 run flasher with battery out, connect usb, connect battery... no response May 07 22:07:31 so i guess maybe my battery is dead now May 07 22:08:30 Use an external recharger May 07 22:09:18 oh, my bad... after the dark nokia screen goes away, it either comes back briefly once or twice... or it goes dark and back to the steady yellow light for maybe 30 seconds before the dark nokia screen again May 07 22:10:51 does not cooperate May 07 22:11:15 foooey, fudge, fuck it... May 07 22:27:03 nite all, sweet dreams May 07 22:27:26 perkele May 07 22:27:45 Myrtti: no mitäs May 07 22:32:41 hi Myrtti ! May 07 22:34:01 myrtti: this is cybette using pupnik's n900 May 07 22:35:08 pupnik: :-P May 07 22:35:21 now that explains couple of things ;) May 07 22:36:59 besides, i bought new headphones May 07 22:37:05 nokia headphones May 07 22:37:27 ( which costs half of iphone headphones, but are much better ) May 07 22:37:48 and i was really suprised by service in o2 shop where i bought it May 07 22:38:08 jacekowski: are they special? May 07 22:38:17 jacekowski: or, I mean, why did you buy *nokia* ones? May 07 22:38:31 myrtti: explain what? 0:-) May 07 22:38:42 frals: ping May 07 22:38:51 well, any 4 pin headphones that are not nokia ( manufactured by nokia ) are ussualy iphone compatible May 07 22:38:53 pupnik: traveling around Finland May 07 22:38:56 which makes them nokia incompatible May 07 22:39:17 jacekowski: 4 pin? May 07 22:39:20 we had awesome sauna at ukki's May 07 22:39:31 jacekowski: I'm sorry I know nothing about "special head phones for phones" May 07 22:39:57 Shapeshifter: 4th pin for buttons and micrphone and that kind of stuff May 07 22:41:13 jacekowski: ah I see. May 07 22:41:56 so it's a headset, sorta. with a mic. I was confused by the term "headphones" which I considered being just the speakers May 07 22:42:13 Shapeshifter: but iphone headphones have it done differently ( apple made their version later ) and it's detected as tvout cable apparently May 07 22:42:44 mh May 07 22:43:24 but you can use nokia 4 pin headset with any 3 pin socket May 07 22:43:39 and any 3 pin headphones with any phone May 07 22:44:03 but mixing 4 pin headsets is not going to happen May 07 22:44:08 4? pin? May 07 22:44:14 yes May 07 22:44:22 it's like with 3 pins May 07 22:44:25 but with 4 pins May 07 22:44:30 so there's a physical difference May 07 22:44:38 not really May 07 22:44:42 not in size May 07 22:45:28 i think it's called trrs correctly May 07 22:45:44 it's size and shape is almost same as normal 3.5mm jack May 07 22:45:48 anyways May 07 22:45:53 most of you have n900 May 07 22:46:00 just take a look at headset that came with it May 07 22:46:23 i am, but I don't have any other headsets :P May 07 22:46:57 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TRS_connector.JPG May 07 22:47:00 that's 3 pin May 07 22:49:03 has anyone seen an N900 charger with an angled USB plug for sale anywhere? May 07 22:49:26 any usb charger would do May 07 22:49:42 you can probably use iphone charger with any usb cable May 07 22:49:45 just let me check May 07 22:49:49 umm May 07 22:49:51 yeah but I want one with an angled USB port May 07 22:49:54 that's the deal with ti May 07 22:49:55 it* May 07 22:50:00 USB jack* May 07 22:50:03 the N900 doesn't charge from dumb sources May 07 22:50:54 yeah May 07 22:51:03 it will charge from iphone charger May 07 22:51:17 i'm not sure if it detects it as proper charger May 07 22:51:24 or something else May 07 22:51:27 MohammadAG: it will May 07 22:51:37 MohammadAG: but will pull limited amount of current May 07 22:51:48 not unless you solder D+ and D- May 07 22:51:59 think we're not talking about the same limitation May 07 22:52:11 MohammadAG: there are 3 limits May 07 22:52:25 so you mean, it will only pull 100mA? May 07 22:52:35 one that's very small amount of current before phone knows where is it connecte May 07 22:52:36 d May 07 22:52:58 2nd is when it detects that it's usb port and draws whatever usb host tells it to do May 07 22:53:28 and 3rd is when it detects charger and then it pulls whatever charger can give May 07 22:53:58 jacekowski, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38230 May 07 22:54:06 so worst case scenario for dumb charger is couple mA May 07 22:54:16 i'm not sure whatever exactly it is May 07 22:54:28 http://www.usbfirewire.com/Parts/rr-almcb-xxgbig.jpg looks like this is what I'd be looking for then :p May 07 22:54:57 jacekowski, suppose you buy some wall charger from ebay which is a chinese knock off May 07 22:55:00 ;____; hotel internets :-< May 07 22:55:03 it won't charge from it May 07 22:55:07 MohammadAG: it will May 07 22:55:10 same goes for the ZaggSparq May 07 22:55:13 MohammadAG: but it will only draw that 100ma May 07 22:55:14 mA May 07 22:55:32 but it won't say charging... May 07 22:55:48 mhm May 07 22:55:52 i'll have to try May 07 22:56:36 but that's tomorrow May 07 22:56:47 heh why? May 07 22:56:58 because i have most of my equipment at work May 07 22:57:15 because then i can use my own equipment and work equipent May 07 22:57:23 equipment* May 07 22:57:49 ( i own £2k scope but i don't have power supply ) May 07 22:57:58 i mean why do you want to try it... May 07 22:58:11 just because i can May 07 22:58:16 so you think the original N900 charger has a controller saying "hello I am a charger, pull whatever you want" in it? May 07 22:58:28 Funnyface: no May 07 22:58:28 i'm not sure whatever exactly it is)) 10mA May 07 22:58:34 100mA even May 07 22:58:44 he said that m8 :) May 07 22:58:45 Funnyface: just simple connection on D+ D- pins May 07 22:59:25 D being data pins? May 07 22:59:30 yes May 07 22:59:33 ah May 07 22:59:59 and i think the way how iphone charger is working makes phone think that it has short on d+ and d- pins May 07 23:00:00 100mA always, after proper enum max 500mA, with crg_det (D+/-) whatever software thinks is safe. For N900 prolly max allowed by bq24150 = 1050mA May 07 23:00:03 which it probably has May 07 23:00:31 DocScrutinizer: according to spec that currect is voltage controlled May 07 23:00:48 DocScrutinizer: so charger is allowed to drop voltage if device is pulling too much current May 07 23:01:26 jacekowski: not exactly. usb cgarger spec says charger has to lower voltage in a gentle way until phone doesn't draw more than charger can jandle May 07 23:01:35 yes exactly May 07 23:02:12 which is what would happen in case of overload anyways May 07 23:02:38 but nokia charger can do some 2A, and bq24150 is limited to 1050mA May 07 23:02:56 I wonder if all the USB powered chinese junk follows those specs :p May 07 23:03:18 most probably not May 07 23:03:25 USB vacuum, cup warmer/cooler, etc etc.. May 07 23:03:26 to some degree they woll, it's a very natural behaviour of a PSU May 07 23:03:39 will May 07 23:04:09 ahh, you're talking bout consumers, not supplies May 07 23:04:22 yes May 07 23:04:25 none of them will adhere to the specsa May 07 23:04:41 I know, they just blindly connect to the power rails and draw whatever they want May 07 23:04:43 speaking of chargers, are chinese dsktop ones safe? May 07 23:04:43 all try to draw more than 100mA May 07 23:04:50 without proper enum May 07 23:05:22 omnomnom at failsworth tandori May 07 23:05:46 otoh bq24150, in boost mode, also isn't really specs compliant. It can only deliver 200mA May 07 23:05:56 sp no mug-warmer for N900 May 07 23:06:00 so May 07 23:06:03 lol May 07 23:06:19 bbl May 07 23:06:24 breakfast May 07 23:06:29 anyway basically what I want is some car charger with an angled USB plug that will be compatible May 07 23:06:35 * lcukn900 is getting kebab May 07 23:06:51 I don't like the long plug pointing out from the side, especially when there are reports that the USB jack may come loose after a while May 07 23:06:56 MohammadAG: I have a belkin hub psu that shat itself and put out 9v usb May 07 23:06:57 funnyface look on tmo there is a n900 car cradle May 07 23:07:06 an angled one might help remove some of the force put on it May 07 23:07:10 with slide in connect May 07 23:07:19 for while device afaik May 07 23:07:45 cool May 07 23:07:50 tmo being T-mobile? May 07 23:07:58 talk.maem.org May 07 23:08:03 maemo May 07 23:08:14 hey rodarvus you want some kebab? May 07 23:11:16 * Myrtti curses again May 07 23:11:41 Nokia should have swapped the location of the USB jack and the unlock switch.. it's really awkward to unlock the phone with one hand, and it's stupid to talk in the phone with the charger plugged in at the top :p May 07 23:12:09 but I guess that's part of the plan May 07 23:12:19 agreed on the usb part May 07 23:12:28 "let people who are in hurry to pick up a call rip the USB port out of the device" May 07 23:12:40 "and let those trying to fiddle with it with one hand drop the device so we get repairs on them" May 07 23:14:05 MohammadAG: I have a belkin hub psu that shat itself and put out 9v usb May 07 23:14:32 i'll take that as a no for chinese stuff May 07 23:15:43 cheap usb car chargers have killed/fried several gta02 May 07 23:16:32 well they do such thing to keep the costs down I guess.. May 07 23:16:41 MohammadAG: belkin hub was quite expensive, and a good name May 07 23:16:46 easy to stick a plain simple 5V regulator in there and hope for the best May 07 23:17:00 One USB power supply I dissected had _no_ primary capacitor May 07 23:17:05 SpeedEvil, tbh my experience with belkin wasn't good May 07 23:17:08 this lead to somewhat poor hum. May 07 23:17:27 SpeedEvil, the desktop charger only charges the battery though May 07 23:18:22 I might rip my car USB charger up some day to see if they put any overvoltage protection in it or not May 07 23:18:30 quite funny May 07 23:19:26 (hum) May 07 23:19:40 I see tons of HK sellers on ebay selling the same charger at ultralow prices (I bought it in a local shop), which made me think that perhaps it's a knockoff device like any others from HK :P May 07 23:20:52 damn ppl look at me like I'm an idiot, just because walking down the street typing on my N900 :-P May 07 23:21:01 http://danielwould.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/20100131_008.jpg way to make something simple a lot more complex than it has to be.. lol May 07 23:21:49 looking at those components it doesn't look like that thing can do anything useful anyway.. May 07 23:22:07 ouch May 07 23:23:25 maybe ads some extremely useful pullup R May 07 23:25:43 hmm, as expected: 3G handover works nicely May 07 23:27:57 that looks like 270R from D+ to D- May 07 23:28:02 but whenever you need to roam to 2G... :-( May 07 23:28:06 why do I remmeber that number May 07 23:28:15 might be something to make it charge from a dummy source then May 07 23:28:33 SpeedEvil: no idea May 07 23:31:31 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Nokia-Micro-USB-Car-Charger-Nokia-N97-/250583293864 this one looks like what I need, unless the USB plug turns the wrong way May 07 23:32:20 which it shouldn't do May 07 23:39:09 oh well I'll go and throw together a burger I guess.. May 07 23:58:26 pizza May 08 00:01:33 pizza is good May 08 00:01:55 kalikianatoli, anatoli what the F is this nick name? May 08 00:02:03 commrades don May 08 00:02:07 don't like it May 08 00:02:10 ☭ May 08 00:02:16 ... May 08 00:02:53 kalikianatoli, you should change it ot kaleki anatolij =) May 08 00:03:02 * MohammadAG heard pizza May 08 00:03:12 luke-jr, gimme gimme gimme! May 08 00:03:17 i liked the post about pr1.2 on maemo.org May 08 00:03:24 ZogG, there's a cat race by the name 'anatoli' :-) May 08 00:03:27 nothing specific and a lot of words =) May 08 00:03:45 kalikianatoli, it's russian name as i know May 08 00:03:56 * ZogG is russian btw May 08 00:04:00 privet May 08 00:04:03 hahah May 08 00:04:10 MohammadAG, not sleeping again? May 08 00:04:15 da May 08 00:04:23 is your name mohammad for real? May 08 00:04:29 da again May 08 00:04:31 MohammadAG: NO May 08 00:04:34 MINE May 08 00:04:34 =) May 08 00:04:50 * ZogG xmms2> System Of A Down - Soldier Side ["Hypnotize (Retail)" 2005 Sony/BMG] May 08 00:04:51 ~torture luke-jr May 08 00:04:58 damn, it doesn't exist May 08 00:04:58 ~fart May 08 00:04:59 * infobot farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" May 08 00:05:00 infobot: botsnack May 08 00:05:01 aw, gee, luke-jr May 08 00:05:07 hahaha May 08 00:05:07 oooh SoAD May 08 00:05:19 i just typed it - dunno why May 08 00:05:27 infobot, botsnack May 08 00:05:27 :), MohammadAG May 08 00:05:39 infobot: botsnack May 08 00:05:40 why is it smiling May 08 00:05:40 aw, gee, ZogG May 08 00:05:42 ~botsnack May 08 00:05:46 ~kiss May 08 00:05:51 :/ May 08 00:05:53 !help May 08 00:05:56 ~hug May 08 00:05:56 * infobot hugs kalikianatoli May 08 00:06:00 ~help May 08 00:06:03 ^_^ May 08 00:06:39 ZogG is http://ZogG.rules.the.world May 08 00:06:46 where can i find ZogG May 08 00:07:01 meh May 08 00:07:05 ~karma May 08 00:07:05 zogg has neutral karma May 08 00:07:19 ~unlobotomy May 08 00:07:24 * GAN900 wonders when he got editbugs on MeeGo May 08 00:07:37 gansterN900 hey May 08 00:08:29 * ZogG xmms2> System Of A Down - Atwa ["Toxicity" 2001] May 08 00:08:40 * ZogG sticks to SoAD May 08 00:08:51 MohammadAG, why are you not sleeping again? May 08 00:08:52 * lcuk waves at GAN900 May 08 00:09:02 * MohammadAG waves at lcuk May 08 00:09:03 whats happening with your freebie gan May 08 00:09:25 * ZogG is gonna talk to MohammadAG's mom about his son misbehavior May 08 00:09:38 she knows :) May 08 00:09:45 anyone tried plan9 or haiku? May 08 00:09:55 * MohammadAG slaps lcuk for not waving back May 08 00:10:02 bad lcuk! May 08 00:10:07 no bacon for a week May 08 00:10:08 haha May 08 00:10:29 MohammadAG, are you keep kosher or what it's called for you? May 08 00:10:40 baconist May 08 00:10:40 yeah May 08 00:10:48 srs? May 08 00:10:52 but it' tasty May 08 00:10:59 never seen bacon to try it tbh May 08 00:11:10 but if you would have a chance? May 08 00:11:16 but it's not like your kosher May 08 00:11:25 i'm not - i don't care May 08 00:11:32 you don't mix too foods together afaik May 08 00:11:35 * lcuk agrees with ZogG about telling over you MohammadAG May 08 00:11:39 well, others May 08 00:11:42 taking my bacon away May 08 00:11:50 MohammadAG, i do. May 08 00:11:52 * lcuk waves @ MohammadAG May 08 00:11:54 lcuk, they know, my dad's awake right now :P May 08 00:12:07 MohammadAG, religious family? May 08 00:12:19 not a lot tbh May 08 00:12:22 moderate May 08 00:12:29 like most people these days :) May 08 00:12:33 you? May 08 00:12:42 moderate May 08 00:12:50 irc == change the topic May 08 00:13:00 meh - as far as i know your people are or too religious or not at all May 08 00:13:00 lol May 08 00:13:16 lcuk, not fighting - just interested May 08 00:13:24 * MohammadAG kind of agrees with lcuk, we went off topic May 08 00:13:31 * MohammadAG gives lcuk his bacon back May 08 00:13:33 happy? May 08 00:13:36 :D yeah May 08 00:13:40 and the topic is? May 08 00:13:48 Bacon May 08 00:13:54 how great SoAD is? May 08 00:14:06 I listen to them a lot May 08 00:14:11 call me crazy, idc :P May 08 00:14:22 * ZogG xmms2> גי'רפות - רמי מואשם באחזקת סמים קלים ["משוחח עם כיסא" 1999] May 08 00:14:25 MohammadAG, ^ May 08 00:14:41 Listening to Engadget atm, they bring up the iPhone each two minutes May 08 00:15:06 ZogG, it says 1999 May 08 00:15:06 yeah i throw em up when i swalow em too May 08 00:15:10 swallow May 08 00:15:15 MohammadAG,so? May 08 00:15:21 i learnt tho and didnt try again May 08 00:15:23 it's album year May 08 00:15:31 that's the only thing i understood :P May 08 00:15:43 you don't read henrew? May 08 00:15:47 hebrew? May 08 00:16:14 or your system is not unicode? May 08 00:16:53 i read hebrew, don't understand a word though May 08 00:17:53 lcuk, I hit another wall today May 08 00:17:56 my exams :/ May 08 00:18:27 thats ok May 08 00:18:35 not really May 08 00:18:56 MohammadAG, it's Giraffes - Rami is guilty for use of drugs May 08 00:19:02 learning python might be better than differentiating sinx*cosx May 08 00:19:03 they are really great May 08 00:19:58 "It has IM" <-- he says that like it's awesome May 08 00:20:01 MohammadAG, i study engineering programming and all we do is studing all this shit May 08 00:20:10 meh May 08 00:20:17 tell me this May 08 00:20:50 i don't understand how would i need double differentials with n varies =( May 08 00:21:06 huh lol May 08 00:22:42 not funny May 08 00:22:49 i don't understand a thing =( May 08 00:23:07 i didn't get the question May 08 00:23:54 MohammadAG what question? May 08 00:24:11 doubling differentials May 08 00:24:16 oh May 08 00:24:28 you know wht is differentials ? May 08 00:24:41 yeah May 08 00:24:59 now think of it in 3D May 08 00:25:57 there is some function z with x and y and you have some boards with other functions and you need to calculate it May 08 00:28:45 not the slightest idea May 08 00:29:15 D{(x,y) 0≥x≥y, 1≥x²+y²≥4} f(x,y)= xy May 08 00:29:30 find the differential May 08 00:29:42 classic one =) May 08 00:30:10 ZogG, its weekend, put down the equations carefully and slide them over here before taking 3 paces back May 08 00:30:18 lol May 08 00:30:41 =\ May 08 00:31:00 i'll stick to C1-4 May 08 00:31:36 is that the best friend of r2d2? May 08 00:31:43 A4-F-5 - chess mat May 08 00:32:09 i dont know but i tried to parse it and hit a syntax error at ≥ May 08 00:32:13 i'm almost drunk - it's good =) May 08 00:32:31 lcuk prob you need to use >= May 08 00:32:49 and x^2 instead of x² May 08 00:33:24 lcuk, mathworld.wolfram.com/ May 08 00:33:35 haha May 08 00:33:38 your n900 sucks May 08 00:33:42 it doesnt May 08 00:34:00 i disconnected it 276 seconds ago from 3g so i could give it a local address so i could test something May 08 00:34:38 hmmm May 08 00:34:54 that sounds perfectly plausible. and also happens to sound like a completely random excuse May 08 00:34:57 next nokia device on intel z600 May 08 00:35:31 * MohammadAG will learn from his mistakes May 08 00:35:37 hha there is video of maemo on n97 May 08 00:35:45 * MohammadAG unsubscribes from the Engadget podcast May 08 00:35:45 Nokia-N900:~# py_compilefiles liqbubbles2.py ; python liqbubbles2.pyc May 08 00:36:00 lcuk, is that the..? May 08 00:36:25 infobot: 111111111*111111111 May 08 00:36:26 12345678987654320 May 08 00:38:45 MohammadAG, ? May 08 00:38:59 the thing you told me about yesterday May 08 00:39:25 http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/13510767335 May 08 00:40:11 im just playing with ideas - just using pyqt instead May 08 00:40:56 it would help if the rendering engine was faster tho May 08 00:43:50 what is broken when apt generates such broken output: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/211394/ - symptom: apt-get upgrade always suggests the same packages for upgrade May 08 00:46:36 ( D{(x,y) 0≥x≥y, 1≥x²+y²≥4} f(x,y)= xy) that seems complete nonsense to me May 08 00:46:37 whazzzup N900 peeps? May 08 00:47:14 1≥foo≥4 ? May 08 00:47:37 => 1≥4 May 08 00:47:42 FALSE May 08 00:47:59 heh May 08 00:48:20 DocScrutinizerit's not May 08 00:48:28 DocScrutinizer, rit's not May 08 00:48:53 sorry all ≥ are ≤ May 08 00:48:57 all!!!! May 08 00:48:59 maybe in your universe May 08 00:56:24 ZogG: I doubt a simple swap of ≥ and ≤ will suffice to build up all the axioms of an inverted world like yours in a consistent manner ;-P May 08 00:58:41 Alright, Andre . . . you've got a rather large screenful of text to wake up to. May 08 00:59:20 if we got 1>4, this implies the scalar is somewhat negative. So what's an 1*4 area's size then? also negative? May 08 01:00:03 moin GAN900 May 08 01:02:39 ZogG: but while wndering how you managed to create a ≤ char so naturally, I gather you have a quite good enough understanding of mathematics so I can't tell you anything new about perverted mathematic worlds May 08 01:02:56 ROFL...... threre were 7 BPexecs on the drilling rig celebratimg the rigs saftey record when the thing blew !!! May 08 01:03:10 wrongm channel May 08 01:03:11 MUHAHAHA May 08 01:03:11 oops May 08 01:03:23 nah, completely right chan May 08 01:03:43 lol May 08 01:04:49 * DocScrutinizer wonders if there's some livestream recorded in the internets of their famous last words XP May 08 01:05:12 thy got off May 08 01:05:45 crap battery on way out May 08 01:06:55 (livestream) if not, someone has to fake it, and put it on youtube May 08 01:22:49 MohammadAG: what's your take on the hostmode development situation ? May 08 01:28:48 MohammadAG, that does make an effective busy wait indicator :D May 08 01:29:06 DocScrutinizer, egoshin's doing a good job till now, but idk, i just think he's not the one who'll fix the driver May 08 01:29:14 lcuk, lol May 08 01:30:04 MohammadAG: thanks for your opinion. Matches my own thoughts May 08 01:30:21 heh :) May 08 01:30:40 hostmode? May 08 01:30:44 yup May 08 01:31:28 what is it? May 08 01:31:35 also, hey everyone May 08 01:33:36 ManoftheSea: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=635293#post635293 May 08 01:35:20 ManoftheSea: long story short: it allows to connect mice, kbds, and other arbitrary usb devices to a N900 May 08 01:36:37 aww fixed the at&t guy ran a new phone line and plgged the modem into the filtered port on the dsl filter May 08 01:36:56 and the rents have no clue May 08 01:38:46 Night #maemo May 08 01:39:01 Hey ho, DocScrutinizer. May 08 01:39:23 EHLO GAN900 May 08 01:39:30 night MohammadAG May 08 01:41:47 DocScrutinizer: oh, to be a usb host. May 08 01:41:55 yep, exactly May 08 01:42:02 DocScrutinizer, joerg_rw is you? May 08 01:42:07 yes May 08 01:42:08 :) May 08 01:42:20 thanks for the explanation May 08 01:42:22 thought so May 08 01:42:23 ~joerg May 08 01:42:23 [joerg] a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer May 08 01:42:39 the hardware supports it, but the drivers don't? May 08 01:43:03 [Whois] DocScrutinizer ist ~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg (joerg) May 08 01:43:40 [Whois] DocScrutinizer51 ist ~Joerg_rw@openmoko/engineers/joerg (Joerg Reisenweber on N900 May 08 01:44:15 ManoftheSea: yes May 08 01:45:28 neat. May 08 01:48:49 DocScrutinizer, what games did you used to play as a kid May 08 01:49:00 puzzles and jigsaws? May 08 01:49:11 or did you just start with a screwdriver and soldering iron May 08 01:49:16 burning my fingers with the soldering iron May 08 01:49:33 * lcuk nods May 08 01:49:35 :D May 08 01:50:14 built my first decent circuit when I was 6 May 08 01:50:45 what was that? May 08 01:50:45 a 2-transistor blinking multivib May 08 01:50:58 nice May 08 01:51:07 * lcuk remembers lessons on the 555 timer May 08 01:51:10 the most basic thing you can build May 08 01:51:28 yeah its whats inside traffic lamps May 08 01:51:30 nah, no 555 when I was 6 May 08 01:51:47 there's rarely been any silizium transistors ;-P May 08 01:53:18 iirc I used 2 pcs AC127 May 08 01:53:21 DocScrutinizer, how old are you? May 08 01:53:26 :X May 08 01:53:38 :D May 08 01:54:04 so old you used germanium transistors?:) May 08 01:54:26 iirc AC prefix would mean germanium May 08 01:54:37 yep May 08 01:54:42 exactly May 08 01:55:12 A = germanium, C = low power .. or some such, its been a while May 08 01:55:16 or low freq May 08 01:55:22 low freq May 08 01:55:47 AF = high freq May 08 01:55:54 ah yeah May 08 01:55:56 AD = switch May 08 01:56:32 AA = germanium diode, BA = silicon diode May 08 01:56:39 yep May 08 02:00:21 DocScrutinizer, question, could a small solar cell theoretically power a usb peripheral enough to talk back to device May 08 02:00:31 if we get the actual data side of things working May 08 02:02:23 lcuk: sure. Depends on your notion of 'small', on the sun and clouds, and of course on the power requirements of the attached device May 08 02:02:46 well we run calculators on small cells May 08 02:03:10 im wondering how much draw one of the compasses would need May 08 02:03:33 less than the 200mA the N900 can provide May 08 02:04:25 DocScrutinizer, :D May 08 02:04:25 so no need for any solar cell May 08 02:04:53 that would make lardman a very happy bunny :) May 08 02:05:33 yeah, powered hostmode is mad useful for a couple of things May 08 02:06:24 DocScrutinizer, indeed May 08 02:07:57 waaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAH!!! May 08 02:08:28 strace -p `pidof bme_RX-51` 2>&1 |less May 08 02:08:36 rebooted the device :-S May 08 02:09:14 .oO(???) :-O May 08 02:09:28 aemo.org May 08 02:09:42 is strace supposed to stop the traced process? May 08 02:10:13 Stupid Adium May 08 02:10:17 lcuk, what about my freebie? May 08 02:10:24 * DocScrutinizer throws a 'm' at GeneralAntilles May 08 02:10:42 DocScrutinizer, tried to type talk.maemo.org into the browser, Adium stole focus halfway through. May 08 02:10:57 what's Adium? May 08 02:11:11 libpurple-based IM client for Mac. May 08 02:11:19 ugh May 08 02:11:33 ugh yourself. May 08 02:13:44 lol May 08 02:15:30 well, I got a friggin touchpad to steal the focus, and (not so) recent xorg made synclient bork, so no way to disable that shitty thing (except in bios) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 08 02:59:56 2010