**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 10 02:59:57 2010
May 10 02:59:58 <DocScrutinizer> but actually, the debate is really far off
May 10 02:59:58 <raster> GAN900: where is it? as there simply is none on my n900.
May 10 03:00:09 <wall[e]> ukeyboard?
May 10 03:00:18 <Funnyfacemob> you have to enable it in the settings
May 10 03:00:21 <GAN900> raster, settings, close the keyboard, tap a text field
May 10 03:00:38 <DocScrutinizer> raster: vkbd???
May 10 03:00:49 <raster> there is no vkbd setting
May 10 03:00:52 <wall[e]> anyway, is there a way to force vkbd to pop up when the slider is on?
May 10 03:00:53 <SpeedEvil> ...
May 10 03:00:54 <Funnyfacemob> tested it just now out of curiousity.. it covers the whole screen :S
May 10 03:00:55 <DocScrutinizer> sure, just close the slide and set focus to textfield
May 10 03:01:00 <SpeedEvil> raster: yes, there is
May 10 03:01:25 <raster> nothing
May 10 03:01:26 <raster> no vkbd
May 10 03:01:27 <DocScrutinizer> wall[e]: nope, afaik
May 10 03:01:29 <raster> press text field
May 10 03:01:30 <raster> nada
May 10 03:01:41 <asjWrk> raster: I've simply provided an alternative that requires somewhat simplistic data processing, key precess are insanely long and slow events after all
May 10 03:01:45 <Funnyfacemob> works here, must be your device then :P
May 10 03:01:47 <DocScrutinizer> raster: check you settings -> input
May 10 03:01:52 <wall[e]> DocScrutinizer, :S, just like alt-sym would be nice
May 10 03:02:20 <ljp> rasters' n900 is playing a trick on him :)
May 10 03:02:31 <wall[e]> he bought china's clone
May 10 03:02:34 <asjWrk> you have to turn on the vkb on the n900 it's odd by default
May 10 03:02:35 <raster> ooh there it is
May 10 03:02:39 <raster> under input
May 10 03:02:41 <Funnyfacemob> haha
May 10 03:02:52 <asjWrk> odd is true too, but I meant off
May 10 03:02:58 <wall[e]> check if there are 2 sim sockets and tv
May 10 03:03:05 <Funnyfacemob> I liked how fail my brother's "hiphone" was
May 10 03:03:07 <DocScrutinizer> settings -> text input -> use vkbd (check mark it)
May 10 03:03:31 <DocScrutinizer> raster: ^^^
May 10 03:03:35 <Funnyfacemob> drained the battery so fast that it came with 2 batteries in the box
May 10 03:04:33 <wall[e]> i can however, leave the slider 1/10 way and use both vkbd and hwkb at the same time, DocScrutinizer
May 10 03:04:41 <Funnyfacemob> and it could turn photos into a laggy video if you dragged a photo rapidly around
May 10 03:04:50 <wall[e]> but i don't feel so right about that
May 10 03:05:10 <raster> thats pretty inaccurate for a fullscreen kbd
May 10 03:05:18 <DocScrutinizer> and WHY the hell would you want to do that??
May 10 03:05:39 <raster> it doesnt do correction well
May 10 03:05:40 <wall[e]> DocScrutinizer, my hw kb doesn't support thai
May 10 03:05:45 * SpeedEvil wonders who might have source for a autocorrecting keyboard.
May 10 03:06:00 <wall[e]> which can't be implemented on hw kb due to it needs 4 lines
May 10 03:06:29 <wall[e]> but i am thinking of mixing use it with alt-sym short cuts
May 10 03:07:05 <wall[e]> but no character on the panel, so may be a phonetic based is making more sense..
May 10 03:07:10 <DocScrutinizer> I bet there's a way to pop up the vkbd while slider open
May 10 03:07:13 <wall[e]> must look at how ru do it.
May 10 03:07:26 <wall[e]> i don't know how :/
May 10 03:08:03 <wall[e]> but having the slider 1/10 way to open isn't that bad, just.. no light in the dark
May 10 03:08:08 <DocScrutinizer> well the switching tween vkbd and hwkbd for sure is opensource
May 10 03:08:15 <Funnyfacemob> raster: its a bit about what youre used to as well
May 10 03:08:20 <wall[e]> indeed
May 10 03:08:26 <wall[e]> him something
May 10 03:08:39 <wall[e]> hildron input method framework.
May 10 03:08:48 <wall[e]> didn't have time to dive into that yet
May 10 03:09:16 <wall[e]> i'd want alternative input style widget, like gesture text input
May 10 03:09:23 <wall[e]> i have heard someone done 80wpm
May 10 03:09:26 <wall[e]> was that a joke?
May 10 03:09:28 <raster> Funnyfacemob: i've done both rs and cs and cs by far feels better, misses many fewer hits, drags better, doesnt pocket-press.
May 10 03:10:09 <wall[e]> good you don't use for painting
May 10 03:10:32 <DocScrutinizer> or writing
May 10 03:10:46 <wall[e]> i know you are good at painting but beat me http://www.flickr.com/photos/30142075@N00/4584058583/ with a cap ts
May 10 03:10:53 <DocScrutinizer> or just with your nails
May 10 03:11:16 <raster> i dant write anymore anyway
May 10 03:11:21 <raster> my handwriting is attrocious
May 10 03:11:30 * wall[e] too
May 10 03:11:31 <DocScrutinizer> :x
May 10 03:11:33 <wall[e]> writing sucks
May 10 03:11:34 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
May 10 03:11:35 <wall[e]> who write?
May 10 03:11:39 <raster> agreed
May 10 03:11:42 <raster> only old people do
May 10 03:11:42 <wall[e]> end of the era!
May 10 03:11:43 <raster> :)
May 10 03:11:48 <wall[e]> :)
May 10 03:11:48 <DocScrutinizer> thanks
May 10 03:12:03 <raster> wall[e]: http://www.rasterman.com/drawings/draw3.jpg
May 10 03:12:10 <raster> http://www.rasterman.com/drawings/draw4.jpg
May 10 03:12:14 <raster> http://www.rasterman.com/drawings/draw5.jpg
May 10 03:12:29 <wall[e]> on cap ts?
May 10 03:12:36 <raster> no
May 10 03:12:40 <raster> with an actual pen and paper
May 10 03:12:41 <raster> :)
May 10 03:12:59 <ljp> bah! thats so old skool
May 10 03:13:01 <raster> couldnt do that on any ts
May 10 03:13:02 <wall[e]> i have seen your works since 10 years ago may be when i joined wmaker core dev :P
May 10 03:13:15 <raster> probalem is hand always touchsing screen instead of pen
May 10 03:13:20 <raster> (ie hand resting on surface)
May 10 03:13:23 <raster> cap has that prob too
May 10 03:13:49 <raster> these days tho - i do it all with mouse and on screen
May 10 03:13:50 <Funnyfacemob> well you can decrease the res sensitivity I guess :P
May 10 03:13:52 <wall[e]> i put it on the table
May 10 03:13:55 <raster> for me drawign with mosue is as natural as a pen
May 10 03:14:00 <raster> and it has fewer problems :)
May 10 03:14:02 <wall[e]> and part of hand on the floor
May 10 03:14:12 <raster> wall[e]:  i guess since its small u can do that
May 10 03:14:17 <raster> but that drawing is pretty good
May 10 03:14:18 <wall[e]> yes
May 10 03:14:23 <raster> (the girl)
May 10 03:14:28 <wall[e]> yours too!
May 10 03:14:36 <raster> that reminds me
May 10 03:14:40 <raster> i need to work on my todo list
May 10 03:14:40 * DocScrutinizer yawns
May 10 03:15:10 <wall[e]> work time!
May 10 03:15:36 <raster> ok
May 10 03:15:43 <raster> gl engine does 90 degree rotates
May 10 03:15:44 <raster> what else
May 10 03:15:46 <raster> hmm thats right
May 10 03:15:57 <raster> nested scroller works for key/wheel control
May 10 03:15:59 <raster> need that
May 10 03:16:13 <raster> then need to make sliders work in scrollers too
May 10 03:16:56 <DocScrutinizer> btw my phone has a proximity sensor which prevents unintended touch actions inside pocket much more reliable than any c-ts does by inherent properties ;-P
May 10 03:17:19 <Funnyfacemob> lol
May 10 03:18:18 <raster> DocScrutinizer: n900?
May 10 03:18:31 <DocScrutinizer> sure, what else
May 10 03:18:43 <raster> where is that sensor?
May 10 03:18:53 <raster> i dont see it
May 10 03:18:54 <wall[e]> next to speaker
May 10 03:18:57 <Funnyfacemob> next to the ear speaker
May 10 03:19:00 <DocScrutinizer> upper left corner, next to cam
May 10 03:19:27 <raster> oh between camera and speaker
May 10 03:19:30 <raster> right?
May 10 03:19:41 <wall[e]> i thought it was infrared
May 10 03:19:51 <wall[e]> when i tried qirreco
May 10 03:19:51 <DocScrutinizer> and before you ask, no it's not (yet) configurable to do that in all apps
May 10 03:20:00 <wall[e]> and i wonder why it didn't work
May 10 03:20:04 <DocScrutinizer> yes, right
May 10 03:20:38 <DocScrutinizer> wall[e]: IR apperture is next to cam button
May 10 03:20:42 <Funnyfacemob> are there any apps that make use of the front camera yet?
May 10 03:20:49 <Funnyfacemob> other than the mirror app
May 10 03:20:50 <wall[e]> DocScrutinizer, yes, found out a couple days later lol
May 10 03:20:54 <wall[e]> was an idiot
May 10 03:21:06 * DocScrutinizer waves
May 10 03:21:19 <DocScrutinizer> night #maemo
May 10 03:21:19 * wall[e] waves
May 10 03:21:30 <Termana> good night DocScrutinizer
May 10 03:21:38 <wall[e]> g'nite, thank you helping us fumbling raster
May 10 03:21:49 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 10 03:22:44 <DocScrutinizer> raster and me have more notions in common than we have different ones
May 10 03:22:50 <DocScrutinizer> muuch more
May 10 03:23:09 <wall[e]> X-D
May 10 03:23:17 <DocScrutinizer> just he has a faible for c-ts, which I don't share
May 10 03:23:24 <raster> yeah
May 10 03:23:34 <raster> we disagree on our ts tech
May 10 03:23:36 <raster> but thats fine
May 10 03:23:40 <raster> we agree on most other things
May 10 03:23:44 <wall[e]> noticed!
May 10 03:25:08 <Funnyfacemob> I agree that the n900s hardware may not be the best, but I still think it is good enough, I wouldn't have complained about 128MB RAM or a 450MHz CPU
May 10 03:25:31 <Funnyfacemob> it's fast enough for a device like this :p
May 10 03:26:08 <Termana> I wonder what all these people that favour resistive are going to do when Nokia goes over to capacitive? :P
May 10 03:26:30 <asjWrk> Termana: cut holes in the end of my gloves?
May 10 03:26:31 <wall[e]> Termana, soon cap will do pressure sensivity
May 10 03:26:42 <wall[e]> i saw a news about that
May 10 03:27:33 <asjWrk> Termana: I'm guessing they may end up with a bit of a mixes bag of phone
May 10 03:27:58 <Termana> wall[e], I think Nokia will be implementing pure capacitive on the Harmattan device
May 10 03:28:17 <wall[e]> Termana, then a bluetooth pen with pressure sensivity is my only hope
May 10 03:28:35 <Termana> Thats probably more speculation than fact though - so either of us could be wrong :P
May 10 03:29:00 <wall[e]> or i'll wait till wacom build cintiq-phone!
May 10 03:29:28 <wall[e]> i plan to use n900 for 5 years
May 10 03:29:37 <wall[e]> before that it was t68
May 10 03:29:42 <wall[e]> ericsson's)
May 10 03:30:33 <Funnyfacemob> hehe my thought when getting the n900 was also "now I probably won't have to get a new device for a few years"
May 10 03:31:08 <wall[e]> is it good for torrenting?
May 10 03:31:11 <Funnyfacemob> I initially thought the same thing when I bought a htc tytn ii, but... I was everything but happy about that device
May 10 03:31:13 <asjWrk> Funnyfacemob: when did you buy it?
May 10 03:31:21 <wall[e]> electricity consuming perspective
May 10 03:31:31 <wall[e]> is it bad to plug charger all the time for torrenting?
May 10 03:31:59 <Funnyfacemob> no idea, haven't tested it much for that
May 10 03:32:25 <wall[e]> will battery life get down if it has charger pluggged in all the time?
May 10 03:32:44 <wall[e]> will n900 works w/o battery?
May 10 03:32:46 <Funnyfacemob> but transmission has a warning saying "this app consumes lots of power" when you run it the first time :P
May 10 03:32:56 <wall[e]> hehehe
May 10 03:33:06 <Funnyfacemob> asjwrk: hmm...
May 10 03:33:12 <wall[e]> but probably better/lower than my PC right?
May 10 03:33:22 <Funnyfacemob> 2-3 months ago maybe
May 10 03:33:31 * wall[e] too
May 10 03:33:33 <asjWrk> Funnyfacemob: so maybe a year ;)
May 10 03:33:55 <wall[e]> my salary is 300 usd monthly, wouldn't afford that in a year
May 10 03:33:57 <Dassu> wall[e]: naw, I dont think so. Using no battery might help but nobdoy wants to do that
May 10 03:34:15 <wall[e]> Dassu, for torrenting while i was sleeping.
May 10 03:34:42 <wall[e]> if that use less electricity than my pc
May 10 03:34:52 <Funnyfacemob> well li ion doesn't like to be warm and charged to 100% all the time
May 10 03:34:57 <wall[e]> due to heat generation, it shouldn't
May 10 03:35:12 <Funnyfacemob> that's the worst storage condition you xan put it in
May 10 03:35:23 <Funnyfacemob> but the battery isn't that expensive
May 10 03:35:38 <wall[e]> Funnyfacemob, i guess i can get an expired one just to swap-in for that?
May 10 03:35:46 <wall[e]> if it didn't work w/o any battery?
May 10 03:36:19 <wall[e]> ok, work, need to reflash too
May 10 03:36:24 <wall[e]> good luck for me!
May 10 03:36:31 <wall[e]> first time reflashgin!
May 10 03:36:36 <Funnyfacemob> Ive heard it wont work without battery
May 10 03:36:48 <wall[e]> ah too bad
May 10 03:36:49 <wall[e]> thanks
May 10 03:37:02 <Funnyfacemob> but a bad battery should be fine :P
May 10 03:37:06 <wall[e]> yeh
May 10 03:37:34 <Funnyfacemob> however I am not sure if that heat is from the battery
May 10 03:37:41 <DocScrutinizer51> wall[e]: nope. N900 needs bat. And keeping charger connected will not wear bat
May 10 03:37:42 <Funnyfacemob> might be the radio and cpu
May 10 03:37:57 <wall[e]> DocScrutinizer51, cool! thanks!
May 10 03:38:17 <Funnyfacemob> it won't wear the batt as in "overcharging" it
May 10 03:38:44 <Funnyfacemob> but generally li ion wears out faster when its warm and fully charged
May 10 03:38:52 <Funnyfacemob> charger plugged in or not
May 10 03:39:17 <DocScrutinizer51> yes. that's why it's not fully charged most of the time
May 10 03:39:54 <wall[e]> hardware should have something to prevent that automatically?
May 10 03:39:56 <DocScrutinizer51> ~batteryfaq
May 10 03:39:56 <infobot> i guess batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers
May 10 03:40:04 <wall[e]> thanks
May 10 03:40:26 <Funnyfacemob> room temp and 60% was the best storage condition if I remember right
May 10 03:40:59 <DocScrutinizer51> nope. 10C
May 10 03:41:04 <DocScrutinizer51> better
May 10 03:44:31 <Funnyfacemob> I hope that one day we'll see batteries with a decent capacity that will charge in a few secs
May 10 03:45:01 <wall[e]> fuelcell?
May 10 03:45:24 <DocScrutinizer51> not over USB :-P
May 10 03:45:30 <Funnyfacemob> hehe
May 10 03:45:35 <wall[e]> :D
May 10 03:45:43 <Funnyfacemob> well it'll have to be a separate charger
May 10 03:45:52 <wall[e]> something stick and thrown away
May 10 03:46:54 <wall[e]> likes good old AA
May 10 03:47:30 <DocScrutinizer51> A123
May 10 03:47:32 <wall[e]> better made of good, so it's good for nature.
May 10 03:48:04 <wall[e]> looks cool.
May 10 03:48:35 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: USB4 has a liquid hydrogen line.
May 10 03:48:52 <Funnyfacemob> :D
May 10 03:48:53 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: This does mean that the cables are 8cm thick - but sacrifices have to be made.
May 10 03:49:01 <DocScrutinizer51> cool err cooling?
May 10 03:49:17 <SpeedEvil> No - fuel cell!
May 10 03:50:13 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders if ther's such thing like liquid H2
May 10 03:50:49 <Funnyfacemob> compressed
May 10 03:51:11 <Funnyfacemob> or cooled.. maybe
May 10 03:51:12 <wall[e]> and frozen
May 10 03:51:28 <SpeedEvil> liquid hydrogen exists - it's what the shuttle fuel tank has in it for example
May 10 03:51:31 <SpeedEvil> (largely)
May 10 03:53:14 <wall[e]> wp says 20K..
May 10 03:53:34 <Funnyfacemob> did you get your drivers license now, speed?
May 10 03:54:48 <wall[e]> will flasher format MyDocs?
May 10 03:55:05 <Funnyfacemob> I think so
May 10 03:55:07 * DocScrutinizer51 starts to wonder about SpeedEvil 's nick
May 10 03:55:17 <SpeedEvil> Funnyface: No - funding problems.
May 10 03:55:24 <Funnyfacemob> :(
May 10 03:55:30 <wall[e]> oh
May 10 03:55:32 <wall[e]> thanks
May 10 03:55:50 <wall[e]> should I move backup files away?
May 10 03:56:02 <wall[e]> better to it for everything
May 10 03:56:09 <DocScrutinizer51> wall[e]: sure, if you flash emmc
May 10 03:56:19 <Funnyfacemob> you should hurry up and get it done asap so you dont forget how to drive and have to start all over again like my matw
May 10 03:56:21 <wall[e]> DocScrutinizer, can I flash only the system?
May 10 03:56:22 <Funnyfacemob> mate
May 10 03:56:27 <DocScrutinizer51> sure
May 10 03:56:31 <wall[e]> without MyDocs
May 10 03:56:33 <wall[e]> ok, thanks
May 10 03:56:36 <DocScrutinizer51> different files even
May 10 03:57:01 <SpeedEvil> Funnyface: Yes, I know. It's not that simple unfortunately.
May 10 03:57:23 <wall[e]> mmm, i guess i'll just backup things
May 10 03:57:33 <wall[e]> just for sure
May 10 03:57:55 <Funnyfacemob> my device needs a reflash too.. calibration tool is broken
May 10 03:58:07 <Funnyfacemob> and the display is miscalibrated
May 10 03:58:33 <Funnyfacemob> can't find a solution in the forums other than "reflash"
May 10 03:59:14 <Funnyfacemob> SpeedEvil: ah well it will be fine one day you see :p
May 10 03:59:34 <DocScrutinizer51> Funnyfacemob: scan the chan logs for calibration
May 10 03:59:45 <wall[e]> i should have MyDocs under svn
May 10 04:00:04 <SpeedEvil> svn makes tracker a sad panda.
May 10 04:00:17 <wall[e]> lol
May 10 04:01:12 <DocScrutinizer51> tracker IS a sad *wombat*
May 10 04:06:15 <Funnyfacemob> ah finally..bochs in the repositories
May 10 04:06:54 <wall[e]> is that x86 emu?
May 10 04:07:25 <Funnyfacemob> yes
May 10 04:07:38 <wall[e]> cool with wine ie will work now
May 10 04:08:06 <wall[e]> or counter strike
May 10 04:08:10 <wall[e]> :S
May 10 04:08:26 <svanheulen> Hello
May 10 04:08:32 <wall[e]> hello
May 10 04:09:13 <wall[e]> anyone make a n900 an ubuntu boot drive?
May 10 04:09:22 <wall[e]> for x86
May 10 04:10:06 <Funnyfacemob> well bochs is way too slow for that
May 10 04:10:10 <svanheulen> can't say that i have but that sounds like fun
May 10 04:10:29 <Funnyfacemob> it equals somethimg like a 20MHz x86
May 10 04:10:37 <wall[e]> yeh was kidding, but how about simcity 2000?
May 10 04:11:03 <wall[e]> remember simcity 2000?
May 10 04:11:41 <wall[e]> does dosbox emulate x86?
May 10 04:11:45 <svanheulen> heck yes, i loved that game
May 10 04:11:47 <Funnyfacemob> yes
May 10 04:11:51 <SpeedEvil> Lemmings
May 10 04:12:12 <wall[e]> yeh love lemmings
May 10 04:12:46 <svanheulen> the first lemmings was the best! the floppy i had it on failed though and i never found another copy
May 10 04:12:52 <svanheulen> it was sad
May 10 04:13:12 <wall[e]> ever play lemmings 3d?
May 10 04:13:23 <wall[e]> i kinda like it. but only play the demo
May 10 04:13:31 <svanheulen> nope
May 10 04:13:48 <wall[e]> well, lemmings can turn left-right too, that's all
May 10 04:14:15 <wall[e]> flash!
May 10 04:26:47 <wall[e]> anyone know if i can get RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin somewhere?
May 10 04:26:51 <wall[e]> that i can wget -c
May 10 04:27:07 <wall[e]> the file is too large for the connection
May 10 04:27:32 * SpeedEvil wonders
May 10 04:27:40 <SpeedEvil> no - my dcc is broken
May 10 04:27:52 <wall[e]> :)
May 10 04:28:05 <wall[e]> may be w3m could help
May 10 04:28:35 <SpeedEvil> I would see if the file could be downloaded with lynx
May 10 04:28:47 <SpeedEvil> set the lynx cookie file to a file
May 10 04:29:12 <SpeedEvil> use the cookie file for wget
May 10 04:29:45 <wall[e]> hmm thanks
May 10 04:30:52 <SpeedEvil> or install a download manager for firefox
May 10 04:31:09 <SpeedEvil> hangon - doesn't the normal ff do completion?
May 10 04:31:17 <wall[e]> i don't think so
May 10 04:31:35 <wall[e]> just auto (2) something
May 10 04:32:05 <SpeedEvil> I know 'pause' / 'resume' downloading stops and starts
May 10 04:32:32 <wall[e]> yeh they have that
May 10 04:32:43 <wall[e]> this one i download with ff and it said it's finished
May 10 04:32:45 <wall[e]> at 100M
May 10 04:32:57 <wall[e]> no idea how to continue it
May 10 04:34:30 <wall[e]> i also expected some sha-256
May 10 04:35:20 <wall[e]> bad downloading service!
May 10 04:45:52 <kajko> it's quiet here today
May 10 04:46:08 <Stskeeps> indeed
May 10 04:46:58 <rektide> too quiet . . .
May 10 04:47:05 <kajko> yes
May 10 04:48:55 <rektide> i'm listening to the new crystal castles album on youtube
May 10 04:48:59 <rektide> thats a little less quiet
May 10 04:49:17 <svanheulen> empathy is the best song on that
May 10 04:49:30 <rektide> Stskeeps, is mer still going to exist?  or is everyone just moving to meego?
May 10 04:49:55 <Stskeeps> rektide: we're all moving to meego it seems like
May 10 04:51:43 * SpeedEvil hopes the migration goes well. http://xkcd.com/623/
May 10 05:40:48 <manjiri> I have been able to configure N900 to connect to my wi-fi network.  Proxy auth is required to connect to internet through this network. I have set proxy server address in the internet connections. When I try to get updates  from applcation manager it says 'Application list partially refreshed. Some catalogues unavailable'. In the application manager log I see : 407 proxy authentication required.
May 10 05:41:11 <manjiri> Browser asks for proxy user name pwd. App manager doent
May 10 05:41:21 <manjiri> Where can I set these values?
May 10 05:49:53 <RST38h> Mhm....GPS satellite is out of control
May 10 05:50:00 <viliny__> manjiri: http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/02/how-to-use-apt-get-behind-proxy-server-ubuntudebian.html - hope this helps you
May 10 05:57:07 <Manjiri> I have been able to configure N900 to connect to my wi-fi network.  Proxy auth is required to connect to internet through this network. I have set proxy server address in the internet connections. When I try to get updates  from applcation manager it says 'Application list partially refreshed. Some catalogues unavailable'. In the application manager log I see : 407 proxy authentication required.
May 10 05:58:06 <Manjiri> Viliny I chked out the link. Doent work for MAEMO5
May 10 06:01:49 <Corsac> hmhm, no fun, I'm stuck in the applications menu ¬¬
May 10 06:02:28 <Corsac>  1083   969 user     R    12128  4.9 97.5 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop
May 10 06:02:31 <Corsac> hhmh
May 10 06:02:51 <Corsac> at least it's not dead
May 10 06:09:21 <tekojo> Morning
May 10 06:09:29 <Stskeeps> morning tekojo
May 10 06:09:40 <tekojo> Back from coffee Stskeeps :P
May 10 06:10:08 <Stskeeps> slowly waking up, kitchen isn't far away
May 10 06:10:54 <mece> mornin
May 10 06:11:12 <Manjiri> How does one set proxy user name password for hildon application manager?
May 10 06:11:23 <Stskeeps> Manjiri: did you set it up in the internet connections?
May 10 06:11:54 <Manjiri> Stskeeps: I set the proxy server details in the internet conn
May 10 06:11:57 <MiXu-> I suppose there is no gui way of doing it.
May 10 06:12:09 <Manjiri> Command-line?
May 10 06:12:31 <Manjiri> MiXu: is there a file I can edit to set this
May 10 06:12:40 <Stskeeps> Manjiri: if HAM doesn't support it , it's a bug
May 10 06:13:26 <Manjiri> I need to install rootsh to get root access in order to install apps I am developing.
May 10 06:13:27 <MiXu-> Manjiri: I don't know
May 10 06:13:33 * tekojo goes for that coffee
May 10 06:13:45 <Manjiri> MiXu: Thanks anyway
May 10 06:14:21 <MiXu-> You can't take the device to a network that doesn't require proxy username?
May 10 06:14:45 <MiXu-> That would seem like an easy solution to me
May 10 06:15:52 <Manjiri> MiXu: You are right. I have a 24X7 free broadband access that uses the proxy. I wanted to be sure that this will not work before I pay for a connection that doesnt use proxy
May 10 06:17:42 <MiXu-> I guess proxies that require authentication are quite rare. I've never had to use a username/password for a proxy.
May 10 07:09:24 <TigerTael> One thing which kinda annoys me, is that I'm merging contacts on my N900 but whenever I was SyncEvolution to sync to my google contacts, the merged information isn't updated there. I'm aware that that's probably intentional, but I'd like an option to properly merge contacts.
May 10 07:12:23 <SafPlusPlus> Ah... the headaches of linking contact systems...
May 10 07:16:37 * RST38h asks the Tentacled One to own the Gods of Internet
May 10 07:16:56 <m0sand> Hi, I'm wondering if anyone else has issues with the media player's shuffling on the N900?  It seems it shuffles once and then follows the same pattern. At least that's what I've experienced with a small set of songs (25-50).
May 10 07:17:35 * achipa_nettop asks the gods of SNAFU (or X-Fade) to take a look at deplib stuff
May 10 07:18:20 <RST38h> Given that his symbols stuff does not even work under sb2...
May 10 07:18:44 <achipa_nettop> as in, how can http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/flashlauncher/0.1-maemo0/ depend on three different versions of Qt...
May 10 07:19:12 <petteri> m0sand: it is known bug. Should be fixed in PR1.2 :P https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7133
May 10 07:19:13 <povbot> Bug 7133: Shuffle all songs often plays a non-random sequence after the first song
May 10 07:20:26 <m0sand> Ok thanks!
May 10 07:27:09 <mece> oh my.. MyPaint just blew my mind. That is a sweet sweet application. In fact I think it's the sweetest app I have on my N900.
May 10 07:32:45 <pupnik> nice to read that, mece
May 10 07:33:06 <pupnik> any progress on ui?
May 10 07:33:20 <pupnik> i notice none of my improvements were used
May 10 07:33:47 <mece> what where those? I just installed it the first time, and it turned out to be awesome.
May 10 07:33:57 <mece> pupink, no finger scrolling in brush list.
May 10 07:39:06 <TigerTael> Okay guys, I need some sort of software that can import directories of .vcf's, some sort of auto-merge, and then re-export them to .vcf's in a folder. ;P
May 10 07:41:43 <TigerTael> I guess I could just merge all of them into one big VCF?
May 10 07:42:02 <pupnik> what is a vcf
May 10 07:42:29 <pupnik> mece... bind all useful stuff to keyboard keys
May 10 07:43:37 <pupnik> http://pupnik.de/mypaint_cmds1sm.jpg
May 10 07:43:59 <mece> have you linked that in the thread?
May 10 07:45:06 <pupnik> it is linked on a t.m.o thread
May 10 07:45:21 <mece> ok.. the Mypaint-0.7.1 for fremantle one?
May 10 07:45:27 <mece> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41807
May 10 07:45:36 <mece> I didn't read the whole thing.
May 10 07:46:04 <pupnik> will add thanks
May 10 07:48:34 * RST38h is testing a Symbian package on S60e3
May 10 07:49:04 <RST38h> So damn slow... But yes, the phone spent a *week* on and the battery gauge is down 1 (one) bar.
May 10 07:49:31 <pupnik> what model?
May 10 07:49:56 <asj> I'm guessing an n95?
May 10 07:50:13 <RST38h> E70
May 10 07:50:20 <RST38h> N95 is just an overhyped ugly brick
May 10 07:50:30 <asj> lol
May 10 07:51:17 <pupnik> e70 is sexy
May 10 07:51:39 <RST38h> yep, the best form factor Nokia ever produced
May 10 07:52:03 <RST38h> ok, creating a case for THAT has been somewhat problematic, but otherwise...
May 10 07:52:32 <pupnik> i agree now... as a phone it rules.  but i prefer a tablet / porftrait for two-thumb action
May 10 07:52:57 <jacekowski> RST38h: n95 is the best symbian phone
May 10 07:53:10 <RST38h> pupnik: not that they couldn't combine the two...
May 10 07:53:22 <RST38h> jacekowski: yea. right.
May 10 07:53:58 <asj> I think you could made the case for the E90
May 10 07:53:59 <Surfa> let's argue about subjective views :)
May 10 07:54:07 <RST38h> E90 is nice
May 10 07:54:09 <Surfa> sounds so much fun
May 10 07:54:22 <asj> what other phone can you use to protect yourself from a police night stick?
May 10 07:54:35 <RST38h> looks like a hidden gun holster when you are carrying it in your jacket, but cool otherwise
May 10 07:54:40 <Surfa> nokia 1610
May 10 07:57:08 <pupnik> i would sell body parts for an updated maemo/meego clamshell phone similar to, but smaller than E90, with n900-sized keys in 5 rows
May 10 08:03:02 <RST38h> pupnik: I heard Chinese will buy some body parts
May 10 08:15:39 <Khertan_Home> Hi !
May 10 08:18:04 <lbt> moin
May 10 08:18:15 <lbt> hi Khertan_Home....
May 10 08:18:39 <Khertan_Home> hi lbt
May 10 08:18:44 <lbt> Khertan_Home: were you unhappy with the maemo Extras QA process?
May 10 08:19:35 <Khertan_Home> lbt, yes i didn't like it
May 10 08:19:38 <Khertan_Home> why ?
May 10 08:19:44 <lbt> http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/Application_QA_Process#Individual_Homes_and_PPAs
May 10 08:20:08 <lbt> I'm working through how this will appear when we deploy an OBS for Fremantle/harmattan and meego
May 10 08:22:36 <Khertan_Home> lbt, hum ... interesting ...
May 10 08:23:17 <lbt> *nod*
May 10 08:23:29 <lbt> did you see my post on planet?
May 10 08:23:29 <X-Fade> Does not fix Khertan's issue.
May 10 08:23:35 <lbt> X-Fade: doesn't it?
May 10 08:23:38 <X-Fade> No,
May 10 08:23:45 <Khertan_Home> Why ?
May 10 08:23:50 <RST38h> Ok, whoever is interested, the Symbian version of Speccy is up
May 10 08:23:51 <X-Fade> He wanted to have his app available for everybody, but without QA.
May 10 08:24:03 <X-Fade> That is never going to happen.
May 10 08:24:14 <X-Fade> Sure, you can have your own repo, but that is what he has now.
May 10 08:24:26 <RST38h> Hey, X-Fade, could you solve my issue? :)
May 10 08:24:34 <lbt> I think it's in between X-Fade
May 10 08:24:43 <Khertan_Home> X-Fade, the problem is n't the QA ... but the actual QA ...
May 10 08:24:56 <lbt> it's on the same infra which means it's reliable insofar as it won't vanish
May 10 08:25:00 <Khertan_Home> and a PPA ...  is nice
May 10 08:25:14 <RST38h> X-Fade: Your super duper symbols package only works with Squeeze tools and Squeeze tools are not available for SB2
May 10 08:25:15 <X-Fade> lbt: He still needs to push to extras, if he wants to have the big audience.
May 10 08:25:19 <Khertan_Home> it s package builded from source
May 10 08:25:21 <lbt> fully agree
May 10 08:25:28 <Khertan_Home> X-Fade, i forgot this idea :)
May 10 08:25:30 <X-Fade> RST38h: SB2 uses host tools, rght?
May 10 08:25:37 <RST38h> X-Fade: nOpe.
May 10 08:25:44 <RST38h> It did once, but not for a long time =(
May 10 08:25:58 <X-Fade> RST38h: Well, SB2 is kind of deprecated it seems.
May 10 08:26:18 <RST38h> BTW, could someone tell me why not being in Extras means less audience?
May 10 08:26:33 <RST38h> X-Fade: Isn't SB2 what Nokia is planning to replace SB1 with?
May 10 08:26:36 <X-Fade> RST38h: End users don't add repos.
May 10 08:26:44 <X-Fade> RST38h: Doesn't look like it.
May 10 08:26:50 <lbt> Extras is at least on the device by default
May 10 08:26:54 <RST38h> X-Fade: But they do not have to, they just need to click on the Install thing on his page, righr?
May 10 08:27:01 <X-Fade> RST38h: SB is dead in MeeGo anyway.
May 10 08:27:02 <Shapeshifter> private repositories are a bother
May 10 08:27:04 <lbt> tbd
May 10 08:27:18 <RST38h> X-Fade: Well, there seems to be SB2 development going on at Nokia, people respondign to emails etc
May 10 08:27:27 <lbt> I personally don't think PPAs should be a mass-deployment thing
May 10 08:27:33 <Khertan_Home> RST38h, this is the reallity ... everyone doesn't add external repository, some reading talk didn't do it due to many warning available everywhere
May 10 08:27:34 <X-Fade> RST38h: Yes, but how would they ever find that .install ;)
May 10 08:27:39 <lbt> I would like them to support a much quicker cycle time
May 10 08:27:57 <RST38h> X-Fade: Web search? TMO announcement? Planet Maemo post?
May 10 08:28:00 <Khertan_Home> X-Fade, on maemo.org
May 10 08:28:05 <lbt> with dedicated followers of an application able to subscribe
May 10 08:28:10 <Khertan_Home> X-Fade, on maemo.org/downloads/
May 10 08:28:13 <X-Fade> RST38h: 1% of all users, will probably do that yes.
May 10 08:28:22 <RST38h> X-Fade: I mean, any of these are better than finding your package in a slow-scrolling list of 100+ packages in App Manager
May 10 08:28:36 <Khertan_Home> X-Fade, exactly ... but i ll say from my stats 2% :)
May 10 08:28:46 <lbt> Anyhow......
May 10 08:28:58 <lbt> we have the facility to offer something like that
May 10 08:29:12 <RST38h> Khertan: You should market the same way people always marketed their shareware
May 10 08:29:27 <lbt> although I'm getting to the point where I need help making the OBS chroot work
May 10 08:29:27 <X-Fade> lbt: I think the 'home' builds have more value as they are linked to the actual repo they can be added to.
May 10 08:29:44 <RST38h> Khertan: Make a web page with a huge install link. Regularly announce at t.m.o and ask bloggers say a word for you in their blogs
May 10 08:29:50 <X-Fade> lbt: And will never get out of date because they can follow updates in the 'parent' repo.
May 10 08:30:07 <lbt> yep... and someone can fork them
May 10 08:30:11 <lbt> no namespace issues
May 10 08:30:13 <RST38h> Khertan: This is no different from the way it has always been done. I am not sure where the current app store fixation is coming from
May 10 08:30:24 * lbt has json-glib building BTW
May 10 08:30:27 <lbt> almost
May 10 08:30:36 <lbt> which is the build-dep for conboy
May 10 08:30:40 <Khertan_Home> RST38h, it ll never come to fremantle ...
May 10 08:30:45 <lbt> \o/
May 10 08:30:51 <RST38h> Khertan: what will never come?
May 10 08:31:10 <X-Fade> It seems we need to fix mimetypes on the FE, downloads are being served up with weird mime.
May 10 08:31:10 <Khertan_Home> RST38h, ovi store for selling paid apps
May 10 08:31:18 <X-Fade> lbt: ^^
May 10 08:31:49 <lbt> yes... have you seen http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenSuse_Build_Service/Fremantle_Setup
May 10 08:32:29 <X-Fade> lbt: No, I saw it in the FE overview though.
May 10 08:33:21 <lbt> so right now I'm having problems making fakeroot-tcp work in chroot
May 10 08:33:31 <lbt> also mount --bind doesn't work in qemu
May 10 08:33:43 <lbt> so I'm adapting base-files to do better tests
May 10 08:33:48 <X-Fade> lbt: Latest qemu?
May 10 08:33:48 <lbt> http://gitorious.org/m-obs/base-files
May 10 08:33:59 <lbt> it's the suse-special qemu
May 10 08:34:12 <lbt> they're pretty much upstrea,
May 10 08:34:13 <lbt> m
May 10 08:34:15 <TigerTael> Where are the contacts stored on the N900? SQL/XML/?
May 10 08:35:45 <X-Fade> lbt: Ok, just though we could ask Riku perhaps.
May 10 08:35:53 <Corsac> TigerTael: sqlite
May 10 08:36:04 <lbt> X-Fade: *nod*
May 10 08:36:24 <TigerTael> Corsac, does that include IM contact details?
May 10 08:36:56 <Corsac> I think so, not sure
May 10 08:37:17 <RST38h> Khertan: Screw Ovi Store
May 10 08:37:32 <RST38h> Khertan: I have been selling through eSellerate for years, and it worked
May 10 08:37:53 <RST38h> Khertan: All this talk about Ovi Store sounds like some kind of anal fixation to me
May 10 08:38:04 <Corsac> don't you like anal fixation?
May 10 08:38:17 <Corsac> (you don't have to answer that)
May 10 08:38:17 <RST38h> Corsac: no, I find it unnatural
May 10 08:38:41 <RST38h> Khertan: People honestly think that Ovi is the *only* way for them to sell their stuff
May 10 08:39:25 <RST38h> Khertan: In spite of Ovi being rather broken, requiring high fees, corporate insurance, and allowing everyone to just steal paid content right from the repos
May 10 08:39:27 <lbt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IT_%28South_Park;_The_Entity%29.jpeg
May 10 08:39:29 <alterego> It's not at all when you're a developer like the majority here :P
May 10 08:42:01 <Khertan_Home> RST38h, it s more a Visibility Fixation
May 10 08:42:22 <Khertan_Home> RST38h, no one care test things in non-free maemo repository
May 10 08:42:39 <RST38h> Khertan: my stuff gets tested
May 10 08:42:49 <RST38h> Khertan: not without some coaxing though
May 10 08:43:06 <Khertan_Home> RST38h, i ve lost any hope
May 10 08:43:17 <RST38h> But yes, this "testing" requirement for Extras has become mostly a political hurdle
May 10 08:43:29 <achipa_nettop> ~poke X-Fade
May 10 08:43:29 <RST38h> It no longer has anything to do with actually testing apps
May 10 08:43:32 <Khertan_Home> RST38h, i 'm now doing things for myself
May 10 08:43:53 <X-Fade> achipa_nettop: here
May 10 08:44:06 <Khertan_Home> if it s usefull for other ... i said ... add my repository to your app manager ...
May 10 08:44:17 <achipa_nettop> X-Fade: is the shlibs thingie supposed to work with Qt libs ?
May 10 08:44:28 <Khertan_Home> RST38h, and if noone is happy with that ... i answer : do it yourself
May 10 08:44:50 <achipa_nettop> X-Fade: see http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/flashlauncher/0.1-maemo0/
May 10 08:44:59 <achipa_nettop> it managed to depend on 3 different versions of Qt
May 10 08:45:14 <alterego> Noice
May 10 08:45:20 <pupnik> qt libs are a mess for me too achipa_nettop
May 10 08:45:24 <Khertan_Home> RST38h, anyway i didn't care anymore of trying to made my apps available on extras ...
May 10 08:45:40 <pupnik> phototranslate wont run here
May 10 08:45:51 <X-Fade> achipa_nettop: Yes, and this is bad why?
May 10 08:45:54 <Khertan_Home> RST38h, i ve made my own repository ... source published on gitorius ... and bugtracker is on khertan.net/flyspray
May 10 08:45:57 <X-Fade> achipa_nettop: They are all >=
May 10 08:46:15 <achipa_nettop> X-Fade: plus, I’m not sure why libqt4-gui (>= 4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo6+0m5) is a missing dependency - that is the one in PR1.1
May 10 08:46:26 <Khertan_Home> RST38h, and as many claim : it s haven't destroy the maemo community
May 10 08:46:31 <X-Fade> achipa_nettop: Firmware in the interface is PR1.0
May 10 08:47:22 <timeless_mbp> 'interface'?
May 10 08:47:51 <achipa_nettop> X-Fade: it is inherently wrong to mix qt versions, especially since in Maemo we’re not binary compatible
May 10 08:47:53 <X-Fade> Packages interface views from a PR1.0 pov.
May 10 08:48:03 <X-Fade> achipa_nettop: It doesn't mix.
May 10 08:48:06 <RST38h> X-Fade: why not update it to 1.1.1?
May 10 08:48:20 <X-Fade> achipa_nettop: It just says that it needs at least that version.
May 10 08:48:40 <X-Fade> achipa_nettop: In practice this will give you only one version anyway.
May 10 08:48:53 <X-Fade> RST38h: Because not all devices can run PR1.1.1
May 10 08:49:09 <achipa_nettop> X-Fade: but it’s the wrong version. My app compiles against PR1.0 just fine.
May 10 08:49:40 <achipa_nettop> (yes, PR1.1 has cool fixes, but they should be API/API compatible)
May 10 08:49:54 <X-Fade> achipa_nettop: You must be using a symbol which is only in a newer version?
May 10 08:50:18 <jacekowski> i doubt these are compatible
May 10 08:50:21 <RST38h> X-Fade: What devices cannot run PR1.1.1?
May 10 08:50:28 <jacekowski> on linux most update break at least ABI
May 10 08:50:30 <achipa_nettop> achipa_nettop: negative. PR1.1 Qt and PR1.0 Qt are binary compatible, it’s the same API.
May 10 08:50:33 <jacekowski> and in 90% cases api
May 10 08:50:38 <X-Fade> RST38h: Onces from providers which don't offer PR1.1
May 10 08:50:44 <X-Fade> *ones
May 10 08:51:11 <RST38h> Do these actually exist? Who are they?
May 10 08:51:39 <X-Fade> RST38h: Search tmo
May 10 08:51:42 <achipa_nettop> X-Fade: also, the 4.6 dep is bogus. I compile against 4.5 on my scratchbox.
May 10 08:52:13 <X-Fade> achipa_nettop: This is all because they messed with Qt.
May 10 08:52:22 <achipa_nettop> X-Fade: I know
May 10 08:52:26 <X-Fade> achipa_nettop: I really feel this is a WONTFIX until PR1.2 is out ;)
May 10 08:52:32 <Corsac> just do it in GTK+ :p
May 10 08:52:54 <achipa_nettop> Corsac: GTK+ is a big wontfix in itself ;)
May 10 08:52:56 <RST38h> X-Fade: Will this continue even after 1.2 is release?
May 10 08:52:59 <RST38h> released
May 10 08:53:06 <Khertan_Home> achipa_nettop, but gtk+ works on maemo
May 10 08:53:10 <X-Fade> achipa_nettop: Qt is not to be used until PR1.2, that is how I feel about it.
May 10 08:53:45 <achipa_nettop> X-Fade: don’t worry, they’ll break it again, so you’ll feel the same about PR1.3 :) :(
May 10 08:53:47 <X-Fade> After PR1.2 release, we can opt to remove the Qt symbols file. So it only builds against the current sdk.
May 10 08:54:13 * RST38h feels something fishy about this whole process
May 10 08:55:19 <achipa_nettop> X-Fade: okay, so for now I’ll force 4.5 PR1.0 deps and hope for the best...
May 10 08:55:38 <X-Fade> achipa_nettop: I think that is the best solution, yes.
May 10 08:56:25 <achipa_nettop> Khertan_Home: I tried, I really did, but I never grew to like it. Plus, for some reason, it was a pain to develop simultaneously for Diablo and Fremantle
May 10 08:57:38 <Khertan_Home> achipa_nettop, just a matter of preferences, as i found it s a pain to use qt for diablo and fremantle, but i ve not problem with gtk/hildon
May 10 08:57:39 <Khertan_Home> :)
May 10 08:58:05 <Khertan_Home> but i didn't know well qt while i know better the gtk framework
May 10 08:59:14 <achipa_nettop> Khertan_Home: yes, I agree there is huge chunk of preference
May 10 09:04:23 <TomaszD> just got an e-mail back from mapmytracks, once they are done with iphone and android version they will develop an app for the n900
May 10 09:04:25 <TomaszD> :)
May 10 09:09:02 <rcg-work> X-Fade: ping
May 10 09:09:25 <X-Fade> rcg-work: pong
May 10 09:09:37 <rcg-work> ah great :)
May 10 09:10:28 <pupnik> holy cow.  drawn with default sketch app ???  http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/4575218668_a58db2867c_o.png
May 10 09:11:06 <rcg-work> X-Fade: i had some problem with importing packages using the autobuilder .. the problem is: i uploaded some packages with apparently wrong bugtracker links etc. .. then i fixed these and reuploaded .. but maemo.org/packages/ still shows the old values
May 10 09:11:31 <X-Fade> rcg-work: which package?
May 10 09:11:36 <rcg-work> X-Fade: i double checked the control file and it has the correct values
May 10 09:12:29 <rcg-work> X-Fade: icedtea6, ant, and libjline
May 10 09:16:35 <X-Fade> rcg-work: Maybe it has something to do with your description, that doesn't look sane.
May 10 09:18:03 <rcg-work> X-Fade: ah ok, any hint on how to correct this?
May 10 09:18:12 <X-Fade> rcg-work: empty line in description should be <space><dot>
May 10 09:18:54 <X-Fade> rcg-work: You seem to be using underscores.
May 10 09:18:56 <rcg-work> X-Fade: ok, thanks! i'll try this
May 10 09:19:03 <rcg-work> yes thats what i did
May 10 09:19:40 <X-Fade> rcg-work: the bugtracker line itself looks ok, I guess that the parser just bails out before reaching it.
May 10 09:24:34 <phellarv> icedtea to N900. Nice.
May 10 09:25:46 <phellarv> rcg-work: Does it include browser plugin and webstart?
May 10 09:25:49 <rcg-work> X-Fade: i just checked, ant and libjline do not have empty lines in the description
May 10 09:26:23 <X-Fade> rcg-work: only checked icedtea, let me check the other ones.
May 10 09:26:55 <rcg-work> phellarv: it has javaws .. not sure about the browser plugin
May 10 09:27:41 <wall[e]> uggggg
May 10 09:27:51 <wall[e]> firmware download keeps stop at 100m
May 10 09:28:11 <wall[e]> i don't know what to do
May 10 09:28:42 <wall[e]> f nokia
May 10 09:29:07 <MohammadAG> ...
May 10 09:29:25 <Surfa> wall[e], wait couple of hours and try again
May 10 09:29:41 <wall[e]> several times, i tried
May 10 09:29:48 <wall[e]> and it keeps stopping at 100m
May 10 09:29:55 <wall[e]> and it doesn't allow continue download
May 10 09:29:55 <Surfa> make sure you don't have any non-connectivity repositories in app manager
May 10 09:30:12 <Surfa> it may cause that kind of behavior
May 10 09:30:12 <MohammadAG> what does that have to do with it...
May 10 09:30:16 <mece> wall[e], did you wait a couple of hours several times?
May 10 09:30:16 <wall[e]> this is firmware download
May 10 09:30:24 <wall[e]> mece, yes
May 10 09:30:35 <Surfa> wall[e], it has everything to do with it, trust me
May 10 09:30:36 <mece> wall[e], which one are you trying to dl?
May 10 09:31:05 <MohammadAG> Surfa, it has nothing to do with it
May 10 09:31:29 <wall[e]> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
May 10 09:31:45 <rcg-work> phellarv: it's the version from http://camswl.com
May 10 09:31:49 <wall[e]> that one
May 10 09:31:52 <Surfa> MohammadAG, sure it does, i can produce situation like that simply by enabling one repo that doesn't answer, some applications download partly and then stop
May 10 09:32:05 <wall[e]> i download this on PC
May 10 09:32:09 <wall[e]> it has nothing to do with repo
May 10 09:32:11 <MohammadAG> Surfa, ...
May 10 09:32:17 <MohammadAG> read what he said
May 10 09:32:34 <sivang> re all
May 10 09:33:16 <Surfa> MohammadAG, quickly checking backlog didn't give me any hits on that, but now i see the point.. that you could also give and not just give arbitrary "nothing to do with" comments
May 10 09:33:22 <frals> timeless_mbp: noted!
May 10 09:33:30 <MohammadAG> ...
May 10 09:33:33 <Surfa> wall[e], weird anyhow
May 10 09:33:54 <wall[e]> did they have imie built in in each download ?
May 10 09:34:02 <MohammadAG> nope
May 10 09:34:06 <timeless_mbp> :)
May 10 09:34:07 <MohammadAG> it's only a cookie
May 10 09:35:06 <Surfa> wall[e], you sure did try download on another pc?
May 10 09:35:21 <Surfa> ..or browser..
May 10 09:35:32 <wall[e]> on another pc
May 10 09:35:46 <wall[e]> not from the n900
May 10 09:35:59 <Surfa> well, it shouldn't make any difference then
May 10 09:36:16 <Surfa> i've seen some browser related download issues like that
May 10 09:36:29 <Surfa> but don't know for sure of course
May 10 09:37:42 <wall[e]> ok
May 10 09:38:30 <Surfa> sure highly regulated network could cause that too.. but i kind of doubt it's nokia-end problem, which it may of course be :)
May 10 09:38:35 <frals> bah, so annoying browser registers taps when screen is blanked
May 10 09:38:46 <mece> can someone point me towards a 24" WQXGA monitor?
May 10 09:39:41 <dneary> Jaffa, Ping?
May 10 09:39:42 <Khertan_Home> i ve same problem downloading image from tablet-dev
May 10 09:39:46 <Corsac> mece: google?
May 10 09:39:53 <timeless_mbp> froogle?
May 10 09:39:54 <Khertan_Home> seem to be cached
May 10 09:40:03 <wall[e]> it  won't have a problem if they provide a proper downloading service
May 10 09:40:16 <wall[e]> like ftp, with one time passwd whatever
May 10 09:40:19 <Khertan_Home> as i didn't got this problem using a proxy from a other country
May 10 09:40:49 <timeless_mbp> wall[e]: what country are you in?
May 10 09:41:00 <wall[e]> timeless_mbp, thailand
May 10 09:41:01 <mece> Corsac, google is not being helpful
May 10 09:41:11 <mece> Corsac, they keep throwing 30" at me
May 10 09:41:26 <TomaszD> there are no 24'' WQXGA monitors
May 10 09:41:56 <mece> why the hell not?!?!
May 10 09:42:07 <mece> grr
May 10 09:42:13 <MohammadAG> it's a conspiracy
May 10 09:42:16 <TomaszD> there is a 27'' Dell
May 10 09:42:17 <timeless_mbp> wall[e]: i had no problem downloading it
May 10 09:42:19 <mece> it's annoying, that's what it is.
May 10 09:42:25 <timeless_mbp> it's possible thailand is not an allowed country
May 10 09:42:33 <timeless_mbp> there are countries that are blocked
May 10 09:42:36 <timeless_mbp> e.g. Iran
May 10 09:42:41 <MohammadAG> or the akaimi server's down?
May 10 09:42:42 <mece> timeless_mbp, why?
May 10 09:42:46 <Corsac> embargo
May 10 09:43:03 <mece> right. politics. *sigh*
May 10 09:43:04 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: it's up. i'm using it
May 10 09:43:06 <TomaszD> mece, look at the NEC PA271W or Dell U2711
May 10 09:43:25 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: akamai is not the kind of thing that generally goes down
May 10 09:43:26 <X-Fade> timeless_mbp: But then you get a 401 or something like that.
May 10 09:43:29 <wall[e]> timeless_mbp, it is allowed, just it keep stopping at 100mb, but that doesn't matter, they should just allow thing for something like wget -c
May 10 09:43:29 <TomaszD> there is currently nothing smaller with that res mece
May 10 09:43:50 <mece> wow, that's embarrassing.
May 10 09:43:54 <MohammadAG> you should be able to do that
May 10 09:43:55 <timeless_mbp> wall[e]: iirc you're cookied
May 10 09:44:01 <timeless_mbp> just steal the cookie and feed it to wget/curl
May 10 09:44:04 <mece> my phone and my 8 year old laptop has better resolution than the latest monitors.
May 10 09:44:07 <MohammadAG> you need the cookie downloaded using wget
May 10 09:44:16 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, beat me to it
May 10 09:44:30 <timeless_mbp> stealing cookies is trivial. javascript:document.cookie
May 10 09:44:43 <wall[e]> well.. i used to do that... let me see
May 10 09:44:58 <Corsac> mece: your phone has better resolution than latest monitors?
May 10 09:45:00 <timeless_mbp> wall[e]: i have 102mb and going
May 10 09:45:01 <dneary> Jaffa, We should probably announce date & time for this meeting tomorrow
May 10 09:45:04 <timeless_mbp> at what point do you want me to stop?
May 10 09:45:07 <timeless_mbp> 120mb...
May 10 09:45:18 <MohammadAG> lol
May 10 09:45:19 <mece> Corsac, well yeah... 3,5 inch, 800x600. translate that to 24"
May 10 09:45:24 <mece> err480 that is
May 10 09:45:29 <timeless_mbp> if it's breaking somewhere in the middle, it sounds more like a network connectivity problem on your side
May 10 09:45:39 <timeless_mbp> ok, i have the entire file
May 10 09:45:45 <wall[e]> good!
May 10 09:45:46 <timeless_mbp> what the heck would i do w/ it?
May 10 09:45:48 * timeless_mbp trashes it
May 10 09:45:50 <MohammadAG> pingtest.net for drpped packets
May 10 09:45:51 <mece> Corsac, 1600x1200 on 15"
May 10 09:45:52 <MohammadAG> LOL
May 10 09:46:11 <Corsac> mece: ha, better DPI
May 10 09:47:25 <Corsac> mece: the term resolution if often confusing since usually it's used for pixel dimensions :/
May 10 09:47:48 <timeless_mbp> wall[e]: fwiw, it isn't a onetime use token, it's more of a time limited token
May 10 09:48:04 <wall[e]> ok
May 10 09:48:09 <mece> Corsac, well dpi then.
May 10 09:48:10 <wall[e]> working on cookies method
May 10 09:48:20 <wall[e]> since i already have 100m
May 10 09:49:01 <mece> Corsac, I don't want to downgrade. My old 17" crt had better resolution than my current 20".. it's tragic.
May 10 09:49:12 <slonopotamus> ~curse autotools
May 10 09:49:17 * MohammadAG wonders where microb stores history files
May 10 09:49:27 <slonopotamus> ... infobot ?
May 10 09:49:36 <MohammadAG> ... is dead
May 10 09:49:37 <wall[e]> oh, i saw md5sum
May 10 09:49:47 <wall[e]> must be blind
May 10 09:50:05 <RST38h> OMG the Tentacled One has taken the infobot!
May 10 09:50:29 <RST38h> BTW, someone has committed MicroEmulator into the extras. Wonder how many of those J2ME games are playable now...
May 10 09:50:44 <MohammadAG> 1/4
May 10 09:50:49 <MohammadAG> :P
May 10 09:51:00 <Corsac> purple tentacle?
May 10 09:51:17 <timeless_mbp> RST38h: does it include an npapi plugin? :)
May 10 09:53:53 <ShadowJK> what's npapi?
May 10 09:54:16 <slonopotamus> ShadowJK, netscape plugin api, i thiink
May 10 09:54:26 <ShadowJK> j2me isn't useful with browsers is it?
May 10 09:54:32 <ShadowJK> don't you want j2se for that? :)
May 10 09:54:44 * RST38h does not want any java for that
May 10 09:54:54 <slonopotamus> you don't want applets at all usually :)
May 10 09:55:02 <slonopotamus> RST38h, hehe
May 10 09:55:03 <RST38h> especially given that java is pretty much out as an in-browser engine
May 10 09:55:38 <RST38h> just needs a few more kicks in the gonads to become completely gone
May 10 09:55:49 * slonopotamus has autogen.sh running for 10 minutes already... die, die autotools!
May 10 09:56:03 <RST38h> why use autotools if you hate them?
May 10 09:56:07 <wall[e]> cookie didn't help
May 10 09:56:20 <wall[e]> wget -O RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --no-proxy -c --load-cookies cookies.txt --referer=http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php "http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_3.2010.02-8_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin"
May 10 09:56:21 <slonopotamus> RST38h, that's not my project
May 10 09:56:25 <wall[e]> something wrong with my wget?
May 10 09:56:28 <RST38h> oh
May 10 09:57:21 <wall[e]> 98 97 96 ... seconds
May 10 09:57:23 <wall[e]> :-X
May 10 09:59:07 <wall[e]> urgg
May 10 09:59:20 <wall[e]> rapidshare doesn't work for my isp!
May 10 09:59:22 <wall[e]> what a day!
May 10 09:59:33 <slonopotamus> meh. it detects that it isn't building static libraries but still goes and checks if gcc/g++ -static works...
May 10 10:05:52 <Piotras> X-Fade, ping, Can I use any workaround for python build issue ?
May 10 10:06:40 <X-Fade> Piotras: You should check what other packages do, nobody else seems to have issues with this?
May 10 10:07:18 <timeless_mbp> wall[e]: where'd you get your cookies.txt from?
May 10 10:07:44 <wall[e]> javascript:document.cookie
May 10 10:07:51 <manjiri> How do I install rootsh withput internet access?
May 10 10:08:00 <MohammadAG> click the deb
May 10 10:09:26 <timeless_mbp> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/using-the-cookies-sqlite-from-firefox-3-in-wget-653227/
May 10 10:09:44 <timeless_mbp> wall[e]: did you properly format your cookies.txt file?
May 10 10:10:26 * timeless_mbp wouldn't use cookies.txt
May 10 10:10:30 <timeless_mbp> iirc wget supports commandline cookies
May 10 10:10:42 <MohammadAG> it does
May 10 10:11:16 <wall[e]> timeless, just a single line, separated with ;
May 10 10:11:16 <wall[e]> i tried 4 lines, for all cookies, doesn't work as well
May 10 10:11:17 <wall[e]> oh let me try
May 10 10:12:30 <timeless_mbp> wall[e]: that's not what cookies.txt looks like
May 10 10:13:00 <wall[e]> ah i see
May 10 10:13:21 <manjiri> MohammadAG: I clicked the deb, it in turn opens the app manager that show options to either uninstall, download or update..?
May 10 10:13:31 <wall[e]> timeless, i'm going to do sqlite one
May 10 10:14:36 <Piotras> X-Fade, how many python module packages has been built since SDK/builder update?
May 10 10:14:47 <Piotras> X-Fade, and which ones ? :)
May 10 10:15:55 <X-Fade> python-qt4 for instance, on 25th of april?
May 10 10:19:54 <wall[e]> timeless_mbp, MohammadAG working thanks!
May 10 10:19:54 <wall[e]> just use --header "Cookie: blahblah"
May 10 10:19:54 <wall[e]> with one line ; separated
May 10 10:20:40 <MohammadAG> manjiri, wait till it says install
May 10 10:25:30 <Piotras> X-Fade, https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/midgard-python_10.05.0-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt
May 10 10:25:51 <wall[e]> anything like alt-tab?
May 10 10:25:56 <manjiri> MohammadAG: I have not enabled the red-pill mode.
May 10 10:26:12 <Piotras> X-Fade, "unrecognized option `-Qy'", do you think it's something in rules file which triggers this?
May 10 10:27:07 <X-Fade> Piotras: Hmm, let me check.
May 10 10:27:44 <Piotras> X-Fade, in control file: Build-Conflicts: python2.3-dev, python2.3
May 10 10:28:21 <Piotras> X-Fade, if this is 'Build-Conflicts', why python2.3 headers include is appended to cflags?
May 10 10:30:12 <manjiri> I need to install rootsh to be able to get root access.
May 10 10:30:12 <Piotras> X-Fade, "-g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -g -O2 -g -Wall -O2"
May 10 10:30:27 <Piotras> X-Fade, O3 or O2 ? :)
May 10 10:30:52 * Piotras believes builder is broken 
May 10 10:34:57 <X-Fade> Piotras: Does it build in a clean PR1.2 sdk ?
May 10 10:37:47 * alterego wonders what the hit count is like on http://tablets-dev.nokia.con/nokia_N900.php
May 10 10:37:59 <alterego> s/con/com/ :D
May 10 10:39:03 <Piotras> X-Fade, I do not know, I just upload it using extras assistant
May 10 10:39:12 <MohammadAG_> manjiri, red pill was disabled...
May 10 10:39:20 <MohammadAG_> what FW are you on?
May 10 10:41:15 <manjiri> How do I figure that out?
May 10 10:42:23 <SpeedEvil> manjiri: settings -> about
May 10 10:42:36 <SpeedEvil> manjiri: on the device - apps menu
May 10 10:43:48 <manjiri> Got it: the verison is 2.2009.51-1. So this FW doesnt have Red pill.
May 10 10:44:21 <MohammadAG_> manjiri, and it doesn't have App Manager installs
May 10 10:44:21 <manjiri> MohammadAG_:  FW - 2.2009.51-1
May 10 10:44:42 <MohammadAG_> update to 3.2010.02-8 then click on the deb
May 10 10:45:01 <manjiri> How do I update w/o internet on the device
May 10 10:45:20 <manjiri> proxy is blocking access to internet
May 10 10:45:41 <MohammadAG_> remove the proxy then
May 10 10:45:55 <SpeedEvil> should the proxy allow http?
May 10 10:46:20 <SpeedEvil> Alternatively
May 10 10:46:22 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
May 10 10:46:22 <infobot> well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 10 10:46:25 <SpeedEvil> See that
May 10 10:46:41 <SpeedEvil> get the latest firmware file for your n900 and region, and flash it
May 10 10:47:23 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking
May 10 10:47:40 <SpeedEvil> alternatively - if you can get access to a computer with the internet.
May 10 10:49:08 * SpeedEvil wonders if anyone knows where his microSD-SD adaptor is.
May 10 10:49:13 * SpeedEvil suspects not.
May 10 10:49:53 <Wolfie> SpeedEvil: it's in the same place all those lost DVI-VGA adapters go
May 10 10:49:59 <phellarv> SpeedEvil: It ran that way --->
May 10 10:50:10 <r0gcas>  speedEvil can you help me i am novice
May 10 10:50:12 <SpeedEvil> Wolfie: I'd be surprised if I have any of those - no DVI in this house!
May 10 10:50:22 <manjiri> SpeedEvil: I have computer with internet access
May 10 10:50:26 <SpeedEvil> r0gcas: Perhaps. Do you have a problem with spreadable cheese?
May 10 10:50:45 <wall[e]> anyone know if you can separate the 3d movie channel with any player?
May 10 10:50:50 <SpeedEvil> r0gcas: Partial differentials?
May 10 10:51:01 <wall[e]> into 2 views separately
May 10 10:51:12 <wall[e]> so i can cross eyed watching
May 10 10:51:16 <manjiri> My main problem is: where do I specify proxy user and password so that app manager can access internet?
May 10 10:51:25 <r0gcas> no haha, i don't know what are you talking about but suspect you are kjoking
May 10 10:51:30 <manjiri> I have set server details in internet connections
May 10 10:51:55 <SpeedEvil> r0gcas: I am attempting to guess your question.
May 10 10:52:13 <SpeedEvil> r0gcas: It may be more efficient if you state what it is, otherwise this could go on for some time.
May 10 10:52:44 <r0gcas> my objective is to get running a gtk_helloworld app in a nokia maemo device, the n900
May 10 10:53:14 <MohammadAG_> manjiri, advanced settings?
May 10 10:53:35 <amigadave> r0gcas: you might like http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#A_concrete_example_-_hello
May 10 10:54:00 <rcg-work> X-Fade: did you have a chance to look at the other two packages?
May 10 10:54:04 <r0gcas> i have done that in scratchbox on the pc with xephire
May 10 10:54:27 <manjiri> Mohammad: advanced settings allows one to set just server IP etc, not username or pwd.
May 10 10:54:29 <X-Fade> rcg-work: No, way too fragmented at the moment. Will look at it later.
May 10 10:54:43 <r0gcas> thanks i will look at that
May 10 10:54:57 <manjiri> Mohammad: browser prompts for the account details but app manager silently fails
May 10 10:55:09 <MohammadAG_> hmm
May 10 10:55:25 <rcg-work> X-Fade: ok, thanks for your efforts anyway :) .. might ask you later on if i'm at home you don't mind ..
May 10 10:55:31 <manjiri> I can see in the app manager log : 407 proxy server auth required
May 10 10:55:35 <rcg-work> *if you don't
May 10 10:56:18 <MohammadAG_> no idea about that one
May 10 10:56:22 <manjiri> :)
May 10 10:56:42 <MohammadAG_> try apt-get dist-upgrade?
May 10 10:56:43 <MohammadAG_> oh wait
May 10 10:56:45 <MohammadAG_> no root
May 10 10:57:01 <manjiri> Mohammad: I think one can set the values in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00maemo
May 10 10:57:13 <manjiri> but as you said no root
May 10 10:57:18 <manjiri> so no permission
May 10 10:57:36 <MohammadAG_> manjiri, this might be useful, although it is very dangerous (if you tinker a lot with the bootloader) http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode
May 10 10:57:49 <MohammadAG_> sudo gainroot in the console can be used, without installing anything extra, to gain a root shell.
May 10 10:58:04 <MohammadAG_> then install rootsh and disable R&D mode
May 10 10:58:15 <MohammadAG_> you don't need to reflash, but you need flasher-3.5
May 10 10:58:32 <SpeedEvil> Is there a standard place to put n900 related stuff that does not go through the packager?
May 10 10:58:42 <SpeedEvil> For example - rescue 'disk' images.
May 10 10:59:08 <MohammadAG_> packager?
May 10 10:59:45 <SpeedEvil> err - I mean - not distributed through HAM
May 10 11:00:05 <MohammadAG_> don't put it in user/ and it shouldn't show up in HAM
May 10 11:00:42 <manjiri> Mohammad: Thanks. I will try it out. Can firmware be upgraded offline: download to PC and install on N900?
May 10 11:00:55 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: I mean packages which are not meant to be installed in the normal manner on the n900. (as they are not n900 based)
May 10 11:01:00 <SpeedEvil> man:
May 10 11:01:04 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
May 10 11:01:05 <infobot> flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 10 11:01:07 <SpeedEvil> See that
May 10 11:02:08 <timeless_mbp> manjiri: keep in mind that flashing is destructive
May 10 11:02:15 <timeless_mbp> whereas over the air isn't
May 10 11:02:28 <SpeedEvil> Yes, I should have mentioned that, sorry.
May 10 11:02:36 * timeless_mbp shrugs
May 10 11:02:43 <timeless_mbp> users getting advice from random people = stupid
May 10 11:02:51 <SpeedEvil> Flashing will wipe a few settings - though it preserves most user data for normal users.
May 10 11:02:52 <manjiri> Thanks timeless_mbp n SpeedEvil
May 10 11:02:55 <timeless_mbp> you could be giving him a virus or stealing his credit card
May 10 11:03:02 <crashanddie> timeless_mbp: wtf?
May 10 11:03:11 <crashanddie> timeless_mbp: this is IRC, the whole point is peer review and trust
May 10 11:03:14 <MohammadAG_> crashanddie, coffee shortage
May 10 11:03:15 <alterego> timeless_mbp: don't tell him the maaaaaster plan!
May 10 11:03:15 <SpeedEvil> I could? Cool!
May 10 11:03:26 <SpeedEvil> manjiri: Can you PM me your CC details too.
May 10 11:03:35 * SpeedEvil diddn't know this was allowed in the channel.
May 10 11:03:39 <crashanddie> OMFG LOL manjiri type rm -rf / in the console for pr0n lols
May 10 11:03:41 <manjiri> :)
May 10 11:03:50 <MohammadAG_> err don't do that lol
May 10 11:03:57 <alterego> Hahah
May 10 11:04:03 <alterego> No, really don't do that ..
May 10 11:04:13 <r0gcas> i have a question please: the only way to get a gtk_helloworld app running on a nokia-maemo device is through a packaging process, isn't there a more simple and straight for way to do that?
May 10 11:04:16 <MohammadAG_> rm -rf /* for better pr0n, crashanddie's method sucks
May 10 11:04:28 <MohammadAG_> <alterego> No, really don't do that .. ^ applies for that too :P
May 10 11:04:43 <crashanddie> r0gcas: copy the binaries to the device, execute
May 10 11:04:47 <alterego> I remember watching a psychology documentary about how when you tell someone not to do something, they will, inevitably do it.
May 10 11:05:10 * lcuk2 sees if it works
May 10 11:05:14 <lcuk2> don't kick alterego
May 10 11:05:18 <alterego> And even though I've known what rm -rf * does, for a long time, I have executed that command in rather annoying locations on my filesystem.
May 10 11:05:26 <r0gcas> crashhanddie i tried that but dosen't work dfor me
May 10 11:05:31 <crashanddie> alterego: yeah, don't tell your kids "Don't eat the lovely red fruits from that tree, it will burn very badly"
May 10 11:05:33 <MohammadAG_> <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: I mean packages which are not meant to be installed in the normal manner on the n900. (as they are not n900 based)
May 10 11:05:35 <MohammadAG_> not following tbh
May 10 11:05:38 <MohammadAG_> and ffs
May 10 11:05:58 <alterego> Heh
May 10 11:06:12 <MohammadAG_> I didn't see his message till now
May 10 11:06:45 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: sorry - n900 related packages that are meant to be installed on other devices. For example, 'rescue disk' mmc images.
May 10 11:06:58 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: SD images
May 10 11:07:15 <MohammadAG> define other devices
May 10 11:07:44 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: Other than the n900.
May 10 11:07:50 <alterego> Cool, new nokia phones (not N900) do encryption?
May 10 11:07:50 <SpeedEvil> nvm - I need to get this working first
May 10 11:08:08 <alterego> I wonder what the technique is, would be good to port that functionality to maemo.
May 10 11:08:25 <alterego> (encrypted SD cards that is ...)
May 10 11:08:52 <SpeedEvil> alterego: There is a n900 hw crypto driver going to the kernel now
May 10 11:09:04 <alterego> SpeedEvil: officially?
May 10 11:09:23 <crashanddie> alterego: I have hardware encryption on my N900 :)
May 10 11:09:57 <SpeedEvil> http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org/msg04318.html
May 10 11:10:00 <SpeedEvil> and related
May 10 11:11:02 <alterego> Oh, nice.
May 10 11:11:07 <alterego> Wonder if Nokia will pick that yp.
May 10 11:11:09 <alterego> ~up
May 10 11:11:10 <infobot> it has been said that up is the opposite of down
May 10 11:11:16 <alterego> O_O
May 10 11:11:16 <SpeedEvil> alterego: Look at the author
May 10 11:12:07 <alterego> Hah, neat, never heard of Dmitri before :)
May 10 11:12:09 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: OMG It's a commie!
May 10 11:12:30 <r0gcas> i think it lacks in the setting up environment guide a testting gtk_helloworld app in nokia-maemo device part
May 10 11:12:33 <crashanddie> alterego: he's head of SW engineering at Nokia
May 10 11:13:21 <achipa> The bomb, Dimitri...
May 10 11:13:51 <alterego> crashanddie: meego/maemo devices? Or actually head of S/W engineering at Nokia? ^.^
May 10 11:14:18 <crashanddie> my bad, his official title is "Principal SW Engineer"
May 10 11:14:32 <crashanddie> so team lead
May 10 11:14:34 <alterego> He's not even a senior s/w engineer then :P
May 10 11:14:45 <alterego> m'kay
May 10 11:15:13 <alterego> http://www.aijaa.com/v.php?i=6183543.png -- I like this guys home screen
May 10 11:16:19 <alterego> I still wish he wouldn't put them in extras though ...
May 10 11:16:39 <Corsac> what are the network widgets on top right?
May 10 11:16:45 <alterego> Corsac: no idea.
May 10 11:16:59 <alterego> Well, they're shortcuts, not widgets?
May 10 11:17:12 <alterego> Oh wait, they _are_ widgets.
May 10 11:17:27 <alterego> My bad
May 10 11:18:19 <r0gcas> please anyone knows a document where to find guidance on testting a gtk_helloworld app in the nokia-maemo device without entering on the packaging process stuff? thanks
May 10 11:19:03 <sECuRE> r0gcas: just copy the binary and run it?
May 10 11:20:09 <r0gcas> it doesn't work for me put line 1:syntax error "(" unepected
May 10 11:20:46 <sECuRE> if you use autotools, the binary is in .libs
May 10 11:20:46 <alterego> r0gcas: looks like you're trying to run a binary compiled for the wrong architecture.
May 10 11:21:17 <alterego> r0gcas: are you sure you've compiled it under the ARMEL target in scratchbox?
May 10 11:22:30 <r0gcas> yes first i compiled in x86 target but then i compiled the same source code in arm target with the same compiling instruction. i did well?
May 10 11:23:24 <lcuk2> make clean the build first :)
May 10 11:23:41 <lcuk2> and whatever other magic spells you do to get back to pristine source
May 10 11:23:48 <sECuRE> are you using autotools or not?
May 10 11:24:12 <r0gcas> i have to use the same source code and compiling shell instruction as under x86 target?
May 10 11:24:35 <sECuRE> sure
May 10 11:25:00 <alterego> Then copy the binary to your N900, and from a console: run-standalone.sh ./gtk_helloworld
May 10 11:25:03 <alterego> Or whatever it's called.
May 10 11:26:29 <r0gcas> no i don't use autotools i think i use 'gcc <file> -Wall ´--cflags --libs...' something like that
May 10 11:28:58 <r0gcas> sECuRe i will try it but i will suspect the same lack of success. but if not i will thank it to you
May 10 11:30:36 <RST38h> Aficionados of Facebook punch-up Mafia Wars will no longer be able to deploy pit bulls as part of their arsenal, following intervention by whale-hugging animal rights outfit PETA.
May 10 11:30:43 <RST38h> eeeek
May 10 11:30:47 <r0gcas> thanks too to alterego
May 10 11:31:07 <alterego> r0gcas: np ;)
May 10 11:31:08 <amigadave> people for the eating of tasty animals?
May 10 11:31:20 * RST38h wonders if using humans in place of pitbulls is ok
May 10 11:32:16 <lbt> heh...
May 10 11:33:11 * lbt watched CSI last night... people stabbed to death with sound effects, blood and autopsy.... all fine as long as there were no nipples on show and no animals were hurt.
May 10 11:33:29 <Corsac> alterego: seems it's “connectnow”
May 10 11:34:13 <alterego> Corsac: ?
May 10 11:35:06 <TomaszD> lbt, watch The Wire and leave that csi bs behind
May 10 11:35:09 <RST38h> A pair of nice beefy lawyers on a leash, fully suited up, muzzled to prevent poisonous saliva from sprinkling around...
May 10 11:35:57 <RST38h> lbt: It is well known that the only tv show worth watching is the DrWho: it does not pretend to reflect reality in any shape or form =)
May 10 11:36:26 <crashanddie> RST38h: except that the new dr who sucks donkey balls
May 10 11:36:31 <lbt> jej
May 10 11:36:36 <crashanddie> RST38h: he looks like a gay teen
May 10 11:36:45 <petteri> spartacus blood and sand, that one has it all :)
May 10 11:36:52 * lbt moves his keyboard a little to the right
May 10 11:37:03 <RST38h> crash: The last three DrWhos all looked gay. Maybe that is because they are gay?
May 10 11:37:11 <Corsac> alterego: the widgets :)
May 10 11:37:20 <alterego> Corsac: are, okay :) Cool
May 10 11:37:27 <RST38h> Anyway, it does not trouble me in any way.
May 10 11:37:46 <crashanddie> RST38h: chris eckelston and tenant definitely don't look gay
May 10 11:37:53 <crashanddie> well, tenant maybe a bit
May 10 11:38:02 <RST38h> crash: Why should it even matter though?
May 10 11:38:10 <crashanddie> I dunno, I don't like the new guy
May 10 11:38:26 <RST38h> crash: Ok, he is worse than the previous one and the one before him
May 10 11:38:41 <RST38h> crash: But this may just mean he requires some getting used to
May 10 11:38:44 <crashanddie> tenant was a great doctor
May 10 11:39:31 <lcuk2> +1
May 10 11:39:50 <RST38h> we will see...
May 10 11:41:45 <marmoute> I'm more concerne about the emptyness of the season 5 script at the moment.
May 10 11:42:33 <marmoute> last episodes was pretty plot was meaning less. Previous one was a shame.
May 10 11:42:55 <alterego> I think they've been okay.
May 10 11:43:11 <alterego> tbh, even though Tennant is a brilliant actor, I never realy liked his Dr.
May 10 11:43:28 <dneary> X-Fade, Do you know who has root on wiki.maemo.org?
May 10 11:43:41 <dneary> X-Fade, I need to get some docs imported from Jarmo
May 10 11:50:03 <hellu> help
May 10 11:50:09 <hellu> nm
May 10 11:50:12 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 10 11:50:19 <d14> o/
May 10 11:50:30 <Jaffa> dneary: pong. what meeting tomorrow?
May 10 11:50:31 <hellu> mornin'
May 10 11:50:55 <dneary> Jaffa, The "let's do a sprint meeting to figure out what we should be doing now" meeting
May 10 11:51:19 <dneary> Jaffa, I proposed on talk that it be Tuesday, 15h UTC (our usual time) and no-one said they had any issues with that
May 10 11:53:55 <sivang> what's the sprint gonna be about ?
May 10 11:53:57 <Jaffa> dneary: I've not seen that post yet; but the involvement of the maemo.org staff in that thread has been ridiculously light.
May 10 11:54:02 <sivang> is this about the september summit in London ?
May 10 11:54:14 <Jaffa> sivang: What September summit in London?
May 10 11:54:25 <sivang> Jaffa: There's gonna be something in september I think
May 10 11:54:27 <Jaffa> sivang: There's a conference in November in Dublin, if that's what you meant ;-)
May 10 11:54:46 <sivang> Jaffa: oh, interesting, is that the one instead of the san fran that was about to take place?
May 10 11:54:46 <Jaffa> sivang: And there's Nokia World at some point in September (that's in London, but maemo.org involvement is usually pretty light)
May 10 11:55:14 <Jaffa> dneary: It's not like "I'm busy" is a good excuse when people are wondering whether or not the bills are worth paying ;-/
May 10 11:55:39 <sivang> Jaffa: I took it there's gonna be MeeGo invovlement in the september nokia developer'
May 10 11:55:42 <sivang> Jaffa: summit
May 10 11:56:08 <dneary> Jaffa, Indeed, not much response
May 10 11:56:15 <dneary> Either on the mailing list or in the forum
May 10 11:56:19 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa: ooh Dublin? goody, i haven't been there yet
May 10 11:56:33 <dneary> So I think it's just "set up the meeting, see who's there"
May 10 11:56:46 <hellu> how many maemo developers are there?
May 10 11:56:53 <dneary> Jaffa, I thought it might be better you announcing the meeting, but I can do it
May 10 11:57:04 <dneary> Needs to be done now, really, if we want it in 27 hours
May 10 11:57:37 <RST38h> n9002?
May 10 11:57:45 <RST38h> like iso9001?
May 10 11:58:00 <SpeedEvil> ./flasher-3.5 -l -k /home/user/Downloads/zImage-arm-n900 -broot=/dev/mmcblk1p0
May 10 11:58:25 <SpeedEvil> This should load the kernel specified onto the device, and boot it with the flags mentioned?
May 10 12:00:14 <ag0ny> Whats the required package for icq integration called ?
May 10 12:01:53 <Jaffa> dneary: I'm not going to have a chance before 1900 UTC tonight.
May 10 12:02:05 <dneary> Jaffa, Are you OK with the time?
May 10 12:02:06 <Jaffa> dneary: Send it and CC me and/or council@
May 10 12:02:12 <dneary> I will.
May 10 12:02:14 <Jaffa> dneary: What was the time? 27 hours from now?
May 10 12:03:18 <MohammadAG> <SpeedEvil> This should load the kernel specified onto the device, and boot it with the flags mentioned?
May 10 12:03:31 <MohammadAG> yes
May 10 12:03:52 <MohammadAG> assuming the kernel flag is root=/dev/mmcblk1p0
May 10 12:04:01 <dneary> Jaffa, Yeah
May 10 12:04:03 <MohammadAG> (why p0 btw, the first partition is p1)
May 10 12:04:05 <dneary> 15h UTC
May 10 12:04:08 <Jaffa> dneary: ah, ta :)
May 10 12:04:22 <Jaffa> dneary: 1700 CET. Yup, fine with me.
May 10 12:04:30 * Jaffa in Stockholm today/tomorrow/Wednesday
May 10 12:04:34 <dneary> 1700 CEST
May 10 12:04:38 <dneary> 1600 CET
May 10 12:04:52 <dneary> (but since we're in CEST now, that's OK)
May 10 12:04:58 <dneary> Oh - by the way:
May 10 12:05:02 <slonopotamus_> (/me never got the joke with having partitions numbered from 1)
May 10 12:05:11 <dneary> Can everyone who has a prime minister please step forward? ;)
May 10 12:05:26 <Jaffa> dneary: I have a prime minister.
May 10 12:05:30 <Jaffa> Just not an elected one ;-)
May 10 12:05:39 <sivang> Jaffa: the dublin event is going to be a maemo developer'
May 10 12:05:44 <sivang> Jaffa: developer's summit ?
May 10 12:06:35 <timeless_mbp> dneary: what if i have no idea?
May 10 12:06:51 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: yes - I worked that out - still nothing though
May 10 12:07:01 <timeless_mbp> dneary: looks like Finland has one
May 10 12:07:17 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: thanks
May 10 12:08:53 <MohammadAG> np
May 10 12:12:24 <r0gcas> hi, i am trying to execute a gtk_helloworld app compiled under armel target into the nokia-maemo device and i can't. what i do is to sotre the binary into MyDocs in the device and exectue it from terminal. the result is a permission denied message
May 10 12:12:51 <adeus> don't put it there, MyDocs is noexec
May 10 12:12:58 <viliny__> can you get powertop for the n900?
May 10 12:13:16 <SpeedEvil> yes vil
May 10 12:13:18 <r0gcas> powertop what is it?
May 10 12:13:25 <r0gcas> ah ,sorry
May 10 12:13:41 <r0gcas> adeus, so i
May 10 12:13:53 <viliny__> SpeedEvil: is it available in some convenient location?
May 10 12:14:18 <petteri>  /sbin/powertop
May 10 12:14:41 <SpeedEvil> viliny__: I think ist's in tools repo
May 10 12:14:45 <SpeedEvil> apt-get install powertop
May 10 12:14:52 <r0gcas> adeus, do you know a way a can store the binary outside MyDocs?
May 10 12:15:07 <SpeedEvil> r0gcas: cp
May 10 12:15:21 <adeus> put it to /home/user
May 10 12:15:35 <r0gcas> SpeedEvil and adeus, thanks, i will try it
May 10 12:16:17 <adeus> ..and then give it "chmod +x myapp"
May 10 12:16:22 <adeus> if not already
May 10 12:16:28 <Termana> SpeedEvil, Captain Planet?
May 10 12:16:40 <Termana> Cheddar Cheese?
May 10 12:16:41 <viliny__> ta SpeedEvil
May 10 12:16:45 <Termana> oh shit
May 10 12:16:55 <Termana> I guess Cheese doesn't start with p :P
May 10 12:17:23 <SpeedEvil> Termana: Parmesan does.
May 10 12:19:28 <r0gcas> i copied it to ~/ (that is , i suppose /home/user) and execute it and that was the message: "/usr/bin/run-standalone.sh: line 11: /home/user/gtk_helloworld-1: Permission denied""
May 10 12:20:01 <r0gcas> Do you know what can i do?
May 10 12:20:04 <SpeedEvil> you've chmodded it?
May 10 12:20:09 <r0gcas> no
May 10 12:20:17 <r0gcas> chmod +x??
May 10 12:20:21 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 10 12:20:27 <r0gcas> and then execute?
May 10 12:20:32 <r0gcas> i will try
May 10 12:20:37 <SpeedEvil> Well - I assume so
May 10 12:20:41 <pupnik> 15:13 <+wli> Heh, "Greeks promise to repay loan with giant horse"
May 10 12:20:51 <viliny__> apt-get didn't find it SpeedEvil
May 10 12:21:04 <SpeedEvil> viliny__: you have to have tools repo enabled
May 10 12:21:36 <viliny__> yeah most likely SpeedEvil - i'll try to find the information
May 10 12:21:40 <viliny__> thanks again
May 10 12:22:00 <r0gcas> i did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
May 10 12:22:15 <r0gcas> thanks a lot guys!!!
May 10 12:22:33 <r0gcas> ::)))))
May 10 12:22:34 <viliny__> SpeedEvil: i got extra and extra devel added but can't find info about tool repo
May 10 12:23:15 <marsje> People, what is going on when someone using Firefox on Maemo cannot use the browse button for uploading files with http? Like to attach a file to a mail in webmail?
May 10 12:23:37 <SpeedEvil> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37102
May 10 12:24:21 <r0gcas> seeyouu next bug time, and many thanks :) bye bye
May 10 12:25:14 <marsje> Anyone wants to try? http://datkan.net/upload/
May 10 12:26:55 <DocScrutinizer> moooo
May 10 12:28:16 <adeus> marsje: worked just fine
May 10 12:28:29 <marsje> adeus: thanks for testing
May 10 12:28:42 <adeus> with n900/ff
May 10 12:28:54 <marsje> adeus: this person has been able to upload stuff from a N900 before, but all of a sudden it stopped working...
May 10 12:29:09 <marsje> adeus: if I understand correctly the browse button is disabled
May 10 12:29:30 <X-Fade> marsje: Check if javascript is disabled in settings.
May 10 12:29:59 <adeus> the page has no javascript
May 10 12:30:04 <marsje> X-Fade: it should not require javascript... it's a simple POST-form
May 10 12:30:28 <dneary> amigadave, ping?
May 10 12:30:34 <amigadave> dneary: pong
May 10 12:30:47 <viliny__> Thanks SpeedEvil but i can't see the repo mentioned here, just a deb file so far...
May 10 12:30:51 <dneary> amigadave, I saw you categorising pages in the flasher docs
May 10 12:31:02 <amigadave> dneary: let me guess, all about to get overwritten? :P
May 10 12:31:23 <dneary> amigadave, I will be reimporting all those docs this afternoon I hope - so I'm afraid we might lose the changes :}
May 10 12:31:30 <amigadave> heh
May 10 12:31:37 <amigadave> alright, i will hold off for now
May 10 12:31:37 <dneary> X-Fade, Do you have time to help me out this afternoon?
May 10 12:32:06 <X-Fade> dneary: Depends on what it is and how long it takes ;)
May 10 12:32:22 <dneary> I'm not too keen on writing pages live into the wiki with the docs conversion tools, but I'd like to get Jarmo's docs into wiki.maemo.org today
May 10 12:32:46 <dneary> I would like to have root run a back-up of the wiki first, and then run the script to install the docs
May 10 12:32:59 <dneary> I can set everything up, it should just be running the right command line
May 10 12:33:03 <X-Fade> dneary: import it in a local wiki install and export the pages then?
May 10 12:33:15 <X-Fade> dneary: That is how daniel does it.
May 10 12:33:20 <dneary> (or alternatively, if you know who has root on wiki.maemo.org...)
May 10 12:33:41 <lbt> dneary: can't we use some kind of git repo at the backend?
May 10 12:33:46 <X-Fade> dneary: Has nothing to do with root, it lives in a db, right?
May 10 12:33:47 <lbt> allowing merges?
May 10 12:33:49 <dneary> X-Fade, I guess you didn't pay attention to the maemo-community thread last month when Jarmo gave out to me because I did that?
May 10 12:34:05 <dneary> X-Fade, There are a collection of things - DB permissions and filesystem permissions
May 10 12:34:10 <dneary> Images need uploading too
May 10 12:34:32 <dneary> And backing up the wiki doesn't work for an underprivileged user like me
May 10 12:34:49 <X-Fade> dneary: I don't trust Jarmo's tools.
May 10 12:35:19 <dneary> Can you say so on the list then, please, because I'm stuck between a rock & a hard place with docs to import
May 10 12:35:22 <X-Fade> So we better make full backups yes.
May 10 12:35:42 <dneary> lbt, For what? The wiki?
May 10 12:36:08 <lbt> or as part of the import process
May 10 12:36:24 <dneary> X-Fade, There is a back-up script that saves just pages & history
May 10 12:36:37 <lbt> wiki-> files; new docs->files; merge files; files->wiki
May 10 12:36:46 <dneary> That's the one I'd like to do. I did a mysqldomp before, but that has a lot more (privileged) information in there too
May 10 12:37:14 <dneary> lbt, Ah, I see what youo're getting at
May 10 12:37:34 <dneary> X-Fade, So - can I take a ticket & get some of your time later?
May 10 12:37:47 <dneary> I don't want to interrupt you if you are doing something else
May 10 12:38:28 <X-Fade> dneary: Always doing multiple things, so don't wait for that ;)
May 10 12:38:52 <X-Fade> dneary: Give me an hour or so, then I will look at it with you.
May 10 12:40:18 <DocScrutinizer> ~hail X-Fade
May 10 12:40:39 <DocScrutinizer> ~ping
May 10 12:40:39 <infobot> ~pong
May 10 12:40:47 <GAN900> infobot is one ungrateful bastard
May 10 12:40:59 * DocScrutinizer fetches doctor for ibot
May 10 12:41:16 <DocScrutinizer> ~nuke busybox
May 10 12:41:31 <DocScrutinizer> ~attack GAN900
May 10 12:41:37 <DocScrutinizer> ~status
May 10 12:41:37 <infobot> Since Fri Apr 30 19:47:02 2010, there have been 66 modifications, 474 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 290 commands.  I have been awake for 9d 16h 54m 35s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids.  I'm using about 41976 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 23635.28/648.19 child 0.17/0.09
May 10 12:41:53 <DocScrutinizer> and currently reference 0 factoids.  :-O
May 10 12:42:00 <GAN900> Oops
May 10 12:42:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~factinfo joerg
May 10 12:42:14 <infobot> joerg -- created by jOERG <n=jr-N810@p5493F5D9.dip.t-dialin.net> at Thu Oct 23 12:00:02 2008 (564 days); it has been requested 23 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 11h 13m 59s ago; it has been locked by jOERG.
May 10 12:42:48 <Khertan_Home> 395313153 octets (395 MB) copi�s, 1,91903 s, 206 MB/s <<< nice usb stick
May 10 12:42:49 <marsje> Upload problem solved: turned device off/on :-)
May 10 12:42:50 <Khertan_Home> :)
May 10 12:45:02 <dneary> X-Fade, OK, see you in an hour
May 10 12:46:14 <chem|st> crashanddie: I need more rounds!
May 10 12:47:35 <Khertan_Home> how it s possible that dd 300Mb img on usbstick take less than 1 seconds
May 10 12:48:08 <X-Fade> Khertan_Home: Type 'sync'
May 10 12:48:25 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen timriker
May 10 12:48:27 <infobot> timriker <~timr@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #saygus, 2d 15h 19m 30s ago, saying: 'sorry, have to reboot. back in a bit'.
May 10 12:48:43 <DocScrutinizer> ~cough*
May 10 12:48:49 <Khertan_Home> X-Fade, oh ! thx !
May 10 12:50:05 <MohammadAG> that's one long reboot
May 10 12:50:39 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: indeed
May 10 12:52:48 <DocScrutinizer> Khertan_Home: though 300MB in <1s is incredible even for mere buffer2buffer dd
May 10 12:53:29 <Khertan_Home> yep
May 10 12:53:29 <Khertan_Home> )
May 10 12:53:46 <Khertan_Home> but ... now it s syncing since 10 min :)
May 10 12:54:00 <DocScrutinizer> that's actually a god sign
May 10 12:54:14 <DocScrutinizer> god
May 10 12:54:20 <Khertan_Home> DocScrutinizer, not so incredible ... i use an ssd and 16Gb of ddr3
May 10 12:54:21 <DocScrutinizer> gooooooood*
May 10 12:54:28 <Khertan_Home> :)
May 10 12:54:43 <DocScrutinizer> ahhh, ok
May 10 12:54:44 <Khertan_Home> but the usb stick is old usb2 1go slow stick
May 10 12:54:49 <Khertan_Home> so things seems normal
May 10 12:54:59 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 10 12:55:10 <Khertan_Home> i just thanks x-fade ... as i didn't know that was cached
May 10 12:55:52 <DocScrutinizer> that's why you *always* shalt "remove safely"
May 10 12:59:19 <DocScrutinizer> btw buffering probably does a great job to avoid random writes and instead do a nice sequential write, which should please the flash
May 10 13:00:00 <DocScrutinizer> well, dd does few randowm writes anyway I guess
May 10 13:00:34 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm, forgot the inodes
May 10 13:01:13 <DocScrutinizer> then otoh odds are this is FAT
May 10 13:01:50 <Khertan_Home> hum my meego img still not boot
May 10 13:02:27 <DocScrutinizer> Khertan_Home: just because I'm curious - what was that dd?
May 10 13:02:53 <Khertan_Home> DocScrutinizer, sudo dd if=/home/khertan/Bureau/meego-0.90-default-201005101239.usbimg bs=4096 of=/dev/sdb
May 10 13:03:00 <woodong50__> hi
May 10 13:03:08 <DocScrutinizer> aaaahyes
May 10 13:03:23 <Khertan_Home> DocScrutinizer, ?
May 10 13:03:30 <DocScrutinizer> Khertan_Home: umount /dev/sdb prior to doing that
May 10 13:03:40 <Khertan_Home> DocScrutinizer, of course :)
May 10 13:03:53 <DocScrutinizer> otherwise fs will bork your freash image
May 10 13:04:06 <woodong50__> n900 have linux ?
May 10 13:04:15 <E0x> yes
May 10 13:04:26 <DocScrutinizer> woodong50__: I like coffee?
May 10 13:04:44 <woodong50__> hehe i like beer
May 10 13:05:46 <woodong50__> i am chatting on iphone
May 10 13:06:04 <DocScrutinizer> Khertan_Home: bs=4096 ?? o.O
May 10 13:06:22 <Khertan_Home> yes
May 10 13:06:31 <Khertan_Home> what the problem ?
May 10 13:06:34 <DocScrutinizer> Khertan_Home: not that it really matters
May 10 13:06:49 <DocScrutinizer> just unnecessary slow
May 10 13:07:02 <woodong50__> if there is a chance , i wanna use n900
May 10 13:07:06 <X-Fade> bs=1M :)
May 10 13:07:07 <DocScrutinizer> for such things I usually use bs=1M
May 10 13:07:24 <Khertan_Home> yes ... but for obvious reason ... with 1M i always got errors
May 10 13:07:33 <DocScrutinizer> duh
May 10 13:07:35 <Khertan_Home> (i think this is due to my stick)
May 10 13:07:52 <DocScrutinizer> nah, you seen it's buffered anyway
May 10 13:08:09 <Khertan_Home> (and it s the cmd use by mic-creator)
May 10 13:08:30 <woodong50__> is it possible to make Web server on n900
May 10 13:08:57 <DocScrutinizer> and if it weren't buffered I'd particularly suggest a bs>64k
May 10 13:09:55 <Khertan_Home> but i think that if mic creator use speciffically 4096, i think they have a good reason
May 10 13:10:28 <DocScrutinizer> don't think so, it's just the buffer size
May 10 13:11:06 <DocScrutinizer> of the dd internal buffer
May 10 13:11:53 <DocScrutinizer> for machines low on RAM I'd understand a bs<100k
May 10 13:13:14 <DocScrutinizer> woodong50__: sure it's 'possible'
May 10 13:15:03 <DocScrutinizer> woodong50__: though a server needs two things: fast disk reads and lots of RAM. Both not exactly the strong points of N900
May 10 13:16:34 <SpeedEvil> n900 is very fast at small block reads
May 10 13:16:43 <DocScrutinizer> aah, and of course a good fat network connection would help a lot
May 10 13:16:52 <SpeedEvil> And ~10mbytes/s of read is plenty
May 10 13:16:59 <SpeedEvil> For many servers
May 10 13:17:28 <DocScrutinizer> c'mon Web(!) server on N900...
May 10 13:18:19 * DocScrutinizer muses about netto diskread while N900 starts heavy swapping
May 10 13:18:40 <ZogG> HEY
May 10 13:19:24 <alterego> What if you used the N900 to serve HTTP froma mounted NFS store accessed over 3G
May 10 13:19:35 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, who is the owner of this chan and maemo.org in the first place? and why admins and mods not here(or at least here but you never know who they are)
May 10 13:19:40 <DocScrutinizer> I'd say there are devices a tenth the price, which do a somewhat better job on webserver
May 10 13:20:07 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: sure
May 10 13:20:20 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer yeah - that i know - that's why i asked you
May 10 13:20:37 <DocScrutinizer> /msg chanserv access #maemo list
May 10 13:20:43 <ZogG> is tehre any connection between talk.maemo and irc?
May 10 13:21:18 <ZogG> thanx
May 10 13:21:35 * Khertan_Home didn't understand the question
May 10 13:21:55 <kirma> DocScrutinizer: like... sheevaplug, but this one really amazed me regarding the price: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26320 ... it's 250 MHz ARM with 32 MB of RAM and ethernet+usb
May 10 13:22:37 <DocScrutinizer> http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml  ->We strongly suggest that you avoid configuring your channel to "auto-op". Use the chanserv "op" command to obtain channel operator status only when needed. This will help to keep your channel temperature low and reduce conflicts.
May 10 13:23:31 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: ^^^
May 10 13:23:59 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: (connection IRC<->tmo) no
May 10 13:24:11 <X-Fade> ZogG: I am the Founder for this channel.
May 10 13:25:24 <frals> kirma: sheeva plug is twice the price and 1.2GHz and 512MB ram? :)
May 10 13:29:32 * crashanddie hands chem|st more rounds
May 10 13:29:43 <kirma> frals: well, maybe it's twice the price *somewhere*. it's over three times the price at least to be shipped where I live.
May 10 13:30:26 <kirma> one of those is cheap enough to be purchased on a whim, another not quite so.
May 10 13:30:29 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, thanx - that makes me happy — like this http://leprastuff.ru/data/img/20100510/25a2a2c745816d57f213df152f03e719.gif
May 10 13:31:42 <alterego> [B[B[B
May 10 13:31:48 <BCMM> ?
May 10 13:32:21 <ZogG> alterego no way, i don't believe you
May 10 13:32:29 <SpeedEvil>  --
May 10 13:32:37 <kirma> still, there are certainly radically more affordable and sensible options available for a small web server than n900. ;)
May 10 13:33:35 * frals pets his sheevaplug
May 10 13:33:46 * SpeedEvil pets his old laptop.
May 10 13:33:56 * kirma waits for his feebleplug to arrive
May 10 13:35:24 * lcuk2 sheevas pet his frals
May 10 13:36:18 <frals> :D
May 10 13:36:19 * ZogG ☭
May 10 13:36:56 <DocScrutinizer> sheeva plugs his pet
May 10 13:37:29 <BCMM> ZogG: meaningful, or just noticed that IRC does Unicode?
May 10 13:37:32 <ZogG> sheeva sounds like 7 in hebrew =)
May 10 13:37:56 <ZogG> BCMM, what you mean IRC does UTF-8?
May 10 13:38:12 <ZogG> all my system is unicode =)
May 10 13:38:25 <BCMM> ZogG: well, in my client, you just did a /me [hammer and sickle]
May 10 13:38:37 <ZogG> BCMM, yeap - that what i wrote
May 10 13:38:38 <DocScrutinizer> 両
May 10 13:38:45 <ZogG> compose key - FTW
May 10 13:39:15 <ZogG> where i check compose system wide symbols?
May 10 13:41:09 <ZogG> haha nokia again apple again
May 10 13:41:14 <ZogG> patent war =)
May 10 13:43:16 <ZogG> techcrunch.com/2010/05/07/the-legal-battle-between-apple-and-nokia-heats-up/
May 10 13:43:34 * MohammadAG is thinking about being a patent lawyer
May 10 13:44:00 <MohammadAG> the more infringements the better for me
May 10 13:44:55 <alterego> pedant lawer?
May 10 13:45:05 <pupnik> useless litigation makes us all poorer
May 10 13:45:47 <pupnik> read Stephan Kinsella to learn more about why
May 10 13:48:16 <alterego> pupnik: you think it's useless?
May 10 13:48:39 <alterego> pupnik: if all the other manufacturers have reached an understanding with Nokia's IP why can't Apple do the same?
May 10 13:48:54 <ZogG> alterego pedolaywer
May 10 13:48:59 <alterego> :)
May 10 13:49:04 <ZogG> lawyer*
May 10 13:49:43 <ZogG> alterego it's not about understanding, it;s about slowing down companies
May 10 13:49:48 <ZogG> i think patents are evil
May 10 13:49:58 <ZogG> you want to be first - try to develop the best thing
May 10 13:49:59 <SpeedEvil> Patents are not.
May 10 13:49:59 <alterego> I think patents are evil.
May 10 13:50:08 <alterego> I'm just saying what Apple are doing is illegal.
May 10 13:50:18 <SpeedEvil> Patents that are granted on a basis of rubberstamp are bad.
May 10 13:50:25 <DocScrutinizer> the way patents are used is completely perverted
May 10 13:50:39 <ZogG> SpeedEvil, depend, the point of patents to defence indi developers from big companies
May 10 13:50:44 <ZogG> but it wors other way
May 10 13:50:47 <SpeedEvil> For example - obvious problems that have obvious solutions - but that solution hasn't been applied to the problem before because the problem is new - are evil.
May 10 13:51:01 <SpeedEvil> For example you can patent painting metal
May 10 13:51:07 <jacekowski> you can?
May 10 13:51:10 <ZogG> wow
May 10 13:51:10 <jacekowski> good idea
May 10 13:51:12 <SpeedEvil> but you can then seperately patent painting ships made of metal
May 10 13:51:19 <SpeedEvil> painting cars made of metal
May 10 13:51:20 <SpeedEvil> ...
May 10 13:51:24 <ZogG> can i patent masturbation? i would be damn rich
May 10 13:51:37 <SpeedEvil> (well - the above example - of course not)
May 10 13:51:40 <Mece> zogG, but how would you enforce?
May 10 13:51:42 <ZogG> i would patent trolling
May 10 13:51:53 <DocScrutinizer> ~patent
May 10 13:51:54 <infobot> rumour has it, patent is EVIL
May 10 13:52:02 <ZogG> haha
May 10 13:52:05 <Mece> zogg, fishing?
May 10 13:52:07 <jacekowski> patent penis shaped dildos
May 10 13:52:08 <ZogG> ~ZogG
May 10 13:52:16 <ZogG> =(
May 10 13:52:23 <ZogG> ZogG is awesome guy
May 10 13:52:27 <ZogG> ~ZogG
May 10 13:52:32 <DocScrutinizer> ~ZogG is a loser
May 10 13:52:32 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer
May 10 13:52:38 <MohammadAG> lmfao
May 10 13:52:39 <ZogG> ahhhh =)))))
May 10 13:52:42 <Mece> :)
May 10 13:52:47 <MohammadAG> ~ZogG
May 10 13:52:48 <infobot> it has been said that zogg is a loser
May 10 13:52:51 <ZogG> it's unfair
May 10 13:52:52 <crashanddie> ~forget ozgg
May 10 13:52:52 <infobot> i didn't have anything called 'ozgg' to forget, crashanddie
May 10 13:52:56 <crashanddie> ~forget zogg
May 10 13:52:57 <MohammadAG> ~unforget ZogG
May 10 13:52:57 <infobot> crashanddie: i forgot zogg
May 10 13:52:58 <infobot> MohammadAG: Successfully recovered 'zogg'.  Have fun now.
May 10 13:53:00 <Mece> ~ZogG
May 10 13:53:00 <MohammadAG> :P
May 10 13:53:02 <infobot> i heard zogg is a loser
May 10 13:53:09 <Mece> haaa
May 10 13:53:15 <crashanddie> ~#maemo
May 10 13:53:16 <MohammadAG> muhahahaha
May 10 13:53:22 <MohammadAG> ~forget ZogG
May 10 13:53:23 <infobot> i forgot zogg, MohammadAG
May 10 13:53:28 <MohammadAG> ~forget ZogG
May 10 13:53:31 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: no, zogg is a awesome guy
May 10 13:53:32 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: okay
May 10 13:53:36 <Mece> poor infobot
May 10 13:53:36 <ZogG> crashanddie, i'm like all these companies we talked before - you can laught at me or say anything you want - but at least i have to be popular =))))
May 10 13:53:37 <SpeedEvil> zogg http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Awww.freepatentsonline.com+masturbation&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
May 10 13:53:38 <crashanddie> ~#maemo is a channel filled with a bunch of puerile wankers
May 10 13:53:40 <infobot> okay, crashanddie
May 10 13:53:46 <MohammadAG> ~#maemo
May 10 13:53:47 <infobot> [#maemo] a channel filled with a bunch of puerile wankers
May 10 13:54:12 <alterego> Hahah
May 10 13:54:13 <Mece> cute
May 10 13:54:14 <lcuk2> http://gadgetsteria.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/implied-facepalm.jpg
May 10 13:54:22 <frals> lol
May 10 13:54:23 <ZogG> ~access
May 10 13:54:24 <infobot> M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not really multi-user, but a database.
May 10 13:54:37 <ZogG> ~n900
May 10 13:54:38 <infobot> somebody said n900 was a wooden box with stained cans inside
May 10 13:54:43 <MohammadAG> lol
May 10 13:54:55 <ZogG> ~cartman
May 10 13:54:56 <infobot> i heard cartman is eating cheesypoofs and is *not* bigboned !, or was it fat?
May 10 13:55:04 <DocScrutinizer> ~crashanddie
May 10 13:55:05 <infobot> OMG!!!
May 10 13:55:05 <ZogG> HAHA
May 10 13:55:05 * MohammadAG downgrades lcuk2 to lcuk
May 10 13:55:13 <alterego> Heh
May 10 13:55:20 <ZogG> is lcuk2 cloning himself?
May 10 13:55:30 <MohammadAG> no, he's just an upgraded version
May 10 13:55:33 <lcuk2> i wish
May 10 13:55:38 <MohammadAG> using Qt
May 10 13:55:51 <ZogG> if i clone myself - i'll marry myself
May 10 13:56:00 <ZogG> cause i'm the best i can get =))
May 10 13:56:01 <Corsac> I don't think it's authorized
May 10 13:56:04 <lcuk2> crashanddie, best make the #maemo definition proper before you forget
May 10 13:56:16 <crashanddie> ~forget #maemo
May 10 13:56:16 <MohammadAG> downgraded
May 10 13:56:17 <infobot> i forgot #maemo, crashanddie
May 10 13:56:29 <ZogG> Corsac it is - there is some place (don't remember where) you can marry anything - even urself
May 10 13:56:45 <ZogG> ~infobot
May 10 13:56:46 <infobot> i heard infobot is the most helpful and smartest of all the bots
May 10 13:56:49 <MohammadAG> I wouldn't want to do that... it's kind of weird
May 10 13:57:14 <lcuk> some guy married a cardboard cutout of himself
May 10 13:57:23 * lcuk saw that randomly over the weekend
May 10 13:57:23 <MohammadAG> <lcuk2> http://gadgetsteria.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/implied-facepalm.jpg
May 10 13:57:32 <ZogG> MohammadAG, think of that - that you can always understand and hang out with yourself and neverr tired of yourself, you can be a wingman for yourself =)
May 10 13:57:53 <lcuk> whats worse is when your fake you gets more women than you
May 10 13:58:02 <ZogG> lcuk don't lie - we know it was you
May 10 13:58:09 <DocScrutinizer> I'm always tired of myself, even without a cardboard double
May 10 13:58:15 <Khertan_Home> Youhou !
May 10 13:58:19 <crashanddie> well, he won't be sprouting as many stupid crap as most of us here, so lcuk, it's actually quite probable
May 10 13:58:28 <Khertan_Home> i ve found my nokia agreement about loaned device
May 10 13:58:28 * lcuk folds up this chan for now anyway
May 10 13:58:32 <crashanddie> lcuk: we send more self-disqualifiers out than any other species of humans
May 10 13:58:38 <MohammadAG> lcuk, /part seems to help
May 10 13:58:39 <MohammadAG> :P
May 10 13:58:40 * Corsac folds back
May 10 13:58:50 <Khertan_Home> i didn't understand why noone answering me where was the adress to return it
May 10 13:58:57 <Khertan_Home> now i 'm a bit late !
May 10 13:59:05 <crashanddie> Khertan_Home: PM
May 10 13:59:11 <MohammadAG> keep it :P
May 10 13:59:46 <ZogG> say what?
May 10 14:00:01 <ZogG> send it to me
May 10 14:00:06 <MohammadAG> it's amazing how ppl lose such important addresses and documents
May 10 14:00:09 <ZogG> whatever it is
May 10 14:00:15 <Khertan_Home> ok ... haven't see the address
May 10 14:00:18 <MohammadAG> i still have my N900 box with those things amazon put to protect it
May 10 14:00:18 <Khertan_Home> in the url
May 10 14:00:21 <alterego> http://londonphotographers.org/2010/05/abuse-terror-laws-continues/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=social-media
May 10 14:00:28 * MohammadAG goes looking for his credit card
May 10 14:00:28 <alterego> I think his phone might have been an N900 ^.^
May 10 14:00:46 <Khertan_Home> MohammadAG, i ve the paper ... it s just that my wife do the paper classement
May 10 14:00:46 <Khertan_Home> :)
May 10 14:01:15 <MohammadAG> oh, that means it was binned long ago, even if it "wasn't her"
May 10 14:01:23 <DocScrutinizer> Khertan_Home: simply send it to me, I'll PM you my address ;-D
May 10 14:01:50 <MohammadAG> Khertan_Home, don't! He wants to torture it
May 10 14:01:59 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 10 14:02:20 <MohammadAG> Dave999's "Medea Downloads PR1.2" starring drunk Laughingstok as Chuck Norris along with gerbils (4,547) <-- bah
May 10 14:02:35 <Khertan_Home> :)
May 10 14:02:48 <MohammadAG> think of all the packages that can be uploaded with that wasted space
May 10 14:02:49 <Khertan_Home> currently mine is a bit tortured ... it 's running meego :)
May 10 14:03:05 <MohammadAG> Khertan_Home, that's SW torture, a reflash will help.
May 10 14:03:27 <DocScrutinizer> I'll tortue it on hw level
May 10 14:03:27 <MohammadAG> otoh...
May 10 14:03:40 <Khertan_Home> on what doing overclock ?
May 10 14:03:41 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, will get it, laugh diabolically and cut it open
May 10 14:03:43 <Khertan_Home> already done :)
May 10 14:03:49 <alterego> Did anyone here actually get an N810 wimax?
May 10 14:03:54 <MohammadAG> nope, he'll tear it inside out
May 10 14:04:14 <DocScrutinizer> been there, done that
May 10 14:04:21 <DocScrutinizer> need new ideas :-P
May 10 14:04:24 <MohammadAG> (he'll start with the screen *hears shredding sound*)
May 10 14:04:38 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, what's the tallest building in Germany?
May 10 14:04:50 * DocScrutinizer shrugs
May 10 14:05:00 <DocScrutinizer> N900fly is a bit silly
May 10 14:05:04 <MohammadAG> I wanted photos btw, you misunderstood
May 10 14:05:15 <nid0> 5 seconds on teh internets says its http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerzbank_Tower
May 10 14:05:30 <DocScrutinizer> FFM I guess
May 10 14:05:47 <achipa> X-Fade: Did I break something again ? :) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_i386/flashlauncher-experimental/0.1-maemo4/
May 10 14:05:56 <MohammadAG> Host mode + Javelin + building = DocScrutinizer = terrorist :P
May 10 14:06:01 <ZogG> MohammadAG have you bought it from amazon
May 10 14:06:08 <MohammadAG> yeah
May 10 14:06:11 <range> nid0: Internet fail, then. The TV tower in Berlin is taller.
May 10 14:06:39 <MohammadAG> achipa, wait it out, it takes time
May 10 14:06:53 <alterego> frals: if I ever decided to use MMS, you'd be my god ;)
May 10 14:06:56 <X-Fade> achipa: No, needs to be imported still.
May 10 14:07:10 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, is there a pattern for the importer?
May 10 14:07:12 <alterego> On the other hand, I might just install it to have the ability to read them if/when someone sends me one
May 10 14:07:12 <frals> alterego; thanks ;-)
May 10 14:07:14 <ZogG> Khertan_Home why wouldn't you just give it to one of devs (like one was given to nitroid dev)
May 10 14:07:14 <nid0> range, no.
May 10 14:07:17 <MohammadAG> (every 30 minutes or something)
May 10 14:07:28 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Runs every 30 mins yes.
May 10 14:07:37 <ZogG> MohammadAG but you prob payed all the extra money on post?
May 10 14:07:39 <MohammadAG> may I ask when those 30 minutes start?
May 10 14:07:46 <MohammadAG> ZogG, you don't wanna know
May 10 14:07:51 <frals> 38/08 is when fmms gets imported usually
May 10 14:08:03 <MohammadAG> 530 from amazon, 20 bucks shipping, 34% taxes
May 10 14:08:04 <ZogG> MohammadAG, i bought it from someone who bought it like you
May 10 14:08:13 <MohammadAG> how much?
May 10 14:08:37 <X-Fade> Starts at 5 and 35, yes.
May 10 14:08:44 <ZogG> he bought 2 - wanted to sell prob to make extra money - so i got it cheap cause it is sold in israel also after all =)
May 10 14:08:47 <MohammadAG> all in all mine was about 2700
May 10 14:09:06 <MohammadAG> not back in December it wasn't
May 10 14:09:15 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, 5:35?
May 10 14:09:20 <ZogG> MohammadAG i bought less than 3k shekels
May 10 14:09:24 <ZogG> 2900 i think
May 10 14:09:32 <ZogG> in box - new
May 10 14:09:32 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: :5 and :35
May 10 14:09:42 <MohammadAG> oh
May 10 14:09:57 <MohammadAG> meaning 4 minutes ago it imported packages
May 10 14:10:06 <MohammadAG> make that 5
May 10 14:10:13 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: No, it started then.
May 10 14:10:22 <MohammadAG> how long does it take?
May 10 14:10:25 <Gaap> hi all
May 10 14:10:35 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: 40 minutes :-P
May 10 14:10:38 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: A few minutes.
May 10 14:10:43 <MohammadAG> lol
May 10 14:11:09 <Gaap> i got Mer/maemo running on my archos tablet, wifi works but i can't manage it using NetworkManager, do you know where to add the interface name for it?
May 10 14:11:43 <MohammadAG> #mer might be of more help, but does the archos have closed wifi firmware?
May 10 14:11:53 <MohammadAG> if so copy it from /lib/firmware on the original OS, whatever that is
May 10 14:12:05 <Gaap> i can scan wifi using iwlist
May 10 14:12:08 <nid0> depends which tablet
May 10 14:12:14 <Gaap> but can't get it working on networkmanager
May 10 14:12:21 <Gaap> i can use wpa_supplicant too
May 10 14:16:09 <dneary> X-Fade, Ping?
May 10 14:20:42 <frals> ~ping
May 10 14:20:42 <infobot> ~pong
May 10 14:20:52 <X-Fade> dneary: pong
May 10 14:20:52 <ZogG> ~pong
May 10 14:20:53 <infobot> ~ping
May 10 14:20:59 <Khertan_Home> ping
May 10 14:21:01 <woodong50__> pong
May 10 14:21:31 <E0x> what is a : "community OBS" ?
May 10 14:21:44 <dneary> X-Fade, Hi :)
May 10 14:21:58 <dneary> OK - there are a few bits & pieces to do...
May 10 14:22:10 <X-Fade> dneary: Let's take this off channel
May 10 14:23:15 <dneary> X-Fade, Are you on wiki.maemo.org?
May 10 14:23:51 <dneary> I'll need a minute or two to copy the toolchain packages over...
May 10 14:24:04 <X-Fade> No
May 10 14:24:10 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: you're managing the wiki?
May 10 14:24:25 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: In a manner of speaking
May 10 14:24:46 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: the CSS is crap for me sometimes, esp for editing
May 10 14:24:58 <DocScrutinizer> s/CSS/layout
May 10 14:25:02 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: I have the means to make some changes, and I'm one of the wiki admins, but I don't have root on the machine, so changing things like CSS isn't that easy :)
May 10 14:25:16 <MohammadAG> ~seen noobmonk3y
May 10 14:25:16 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: You know MediaWiki allows you to specify custom CSS?
May 10 14:25:18 <infobot> noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@cpc2-lanc4-0-0-cust67.brig.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 18h 2m 17s ago, saying: 'lol :P'.
May 10 14:25:21 <DocScrutinizer> I thought as much
May 10 14:25:39 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: nope
May 10 14:26:03 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: for editing?
May 10 14:26:14 <dneary> DocScrutinizerYes
May 10 14:27:01 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, so you suggest I'll STFU and get a custom CSS for wiki.maemo.org to work with Konqueror and 1280*768 ? :-D
May 10 14:27:21 <SpeedEvil> It's annoying for me - also on 1024x768
May 10 14:27:39 <X-Fade> Those resolutions are so last century.
May 10 14:27:47 <DocScrutinizer> the 'index' on the right covering a third of the edit-box
May 10 14:27:52 <alterego> Urgh, this class is looking like an evil robot, can't wait until I've finished this module and refactor this horrible beast!
May 10 14:28:02 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: Not at all
May 10 14:28:08 <dneary> Just making you aware of that possibility
May 10 14:28:12 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: my laptop is of 2008 though :-P
May 10 14:28:21 <tale> can someone please help me with the partition table?
May 10 14:28:29 * SpeedEvil also has a 2007/8 laptop
May 10 14:28:32 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: Obviously, you bought a wrong one.
May 10 14:28:35 <SpeedEvil> tale: What is your problem?
May 10 14:28:46 <lcuk> yeah the onl resolution that matters is 800*480 :D
May 10 14:28:47 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: not maemo-certified?
May 10 14:28:47 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: Mine is from 2008 too, but is 1920x1280 ;)
May 10 14:28:50 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: Please open bugs for specific formatting issues in the Website product
May 10 14:29:26 <DocScrutinizer> 'website product'? please elaborate
May 10 14:29:48 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: I have revisiting the CSS as a TODO item, but as I mentioned, it's not me who will be putting it in place. I have, however, documented how a MediaWiki page gets rendered, and there are pointers to the sources for all of these files, and (you guessed it) patches are most welcome :)
May 10 14:30:24 <DocScrutinizer> bugtracker?
May 10 14:30:39 <dneary> DocScrutinizer: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=maemo.org%20Website
May 10 14:30:44 <DocScrutinizer> aaah
May 10 14:30:45 <DocScrutinizer> k
May 10 14:31:40 <DocScrutinizer> dneary: thanks
May 10 14:33:44 <johnsq> Hi
May 10 14:34:43 <pupnik> alterego: there is use for some people but i think we can show that such battles are inherently wasteful to economic prosperity
May 10 14:35:12 <alterego> pupnik: in regards to patent suits between large companies?
May 10 14:35:14 <alterego> Sure
May 10 14:35:25 <pupnik> k
May 10 14:35:34 <alterego> I'm just pro-anti-apple, anything that tarnishes their reputation is good in my books ;)
May 10 14:36:00 <pupnik> ok hey they aint all bad.  at least the os is good
May 10 14:36:05 <alterego> I want Nokia to win, so people can see that Apple are money theiving bitches :P
May 10 14:36:37 <pupnik> i have a lot of respect for the way nokia plays.  that is just increasing over time
May 10 14:37:24 <pupnik> but there is this thing called the US government.   ...   ....
May 10 14:37:28 <pupnik> trolololo
May 10 14:37:54 <alterego> Hahahah
May 10 14:39:00 <achipa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NPdVpx5CgE
May 10 14:39:51 <alterego> That's somewhat cruel ...
May 10 14:39:55 <E0x> i find that having google talk and skype account always connected in 3g drain a lot of battery
May 10 14:40:08 <E0x> anybody have this kind of behavior too ?
May 10 14:42:22 <pupnik> E0x: it will reconnect more than having them off ... havent seen data
May 10 14:42:40 <E0x> pupnik: what ?
May 10 14:42:46 <achipa> alterego: I have not decided which one causes more long term damage. What they do to the dog, or what the youtube captions of the dog do to our brains.
May 10 14:43:04 <pupnik> are you travelling from cell to cell much E0x ?
May 10 14:43:10 <alterego> E0x: continual 3G usage, even if it's just checking facebook will drain battery, might be worth forcing 2G until you need the extra throughput.
May 10 14:43:44 <E0x> pupnik: oh you mean cell tower reconection
May 10 14:43:45 <E0x> ?
May 10 14:43:47 <alterego> I found my battery life is considerably lowered when I have a constant 3G connection and I have accounts online ..
May 10 14:44:18 <TomaszD> yeah, it's no more than a few hours before the battery is flat
May 10 14:44:25 <E0x> alterego: i find a post ( looking for it again ) that is because google and skype protocol do a lot of chat
May 10 14:44:33 <TomaszD> I sure hope PR1.2 improves the situation
May 10 14:44:38 <E0x> ( a lot of traffic )
May 10 14:44:51 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: Unlikely.
May 10 14:45:02 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: Oh. Well - there are a couple of reasons.
May 10 14:45:17 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: The bit about 3G using a lot of power when active - little can be done about it.
May 10 14:45:27 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: It just does - it's not the CPU that's active.
May 10 14:45:38 <alterego> E0x: like I said, you don't get so much of a hit on 2G, if you explicitly force 2G until you need to use the service properly. That will help substantially.
May 10 14:45:46 <TomaszD> so the telepathy plugins cannot be optimized better?
May 10 14:45:47 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: Better control of external traffic may be possible
May 10 14:45:53 <alterego> TomaszD: no.
May 10 14:46:16 <alterego> Well, I'll rephrase, yes, more than likely, but the improvements would be miniscule :)
May 10 14:46:17 <felipec> tale: what exactly do you want to do?
May 10 14:46:24 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: The problem with many plugins is that - for example - if you connect to two IRC servers - they will - randomly send 'ping' requests - at - say - 30 second intervals.
May 10 14:46:34 <E0x> alterego: ok
May 10 14:46:34 <TomaszD> so the flaw is only in hardware, as in a battery hungry 3G modem and/or weak battery for purpose
May 10 14:46:35 <E0x> thx
May 10 14:46:57 <alterego> TomaszD: it's a mixture of everything, but the battery use is the 3G modem yes.
May 10 14:47:00 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: This means that you get a ping every 15 seconds on average - which will keep the modem in 'high power' mode a large fraction of the time on 3G
May 10 14:47:12 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption
May 10 14:47:46 <TomaszD> so every IM account needs to send some keep-alive packets and if we send them less often we'll get disconnected anyway, yes?
May 10 14:47:46 <alterego> This is why I force mine to only use 2G, unless I'm actively using the connection. I might write a daemon that does an auto-switch when it detects a "high" load.
May 10 14:48:04 <SpeedEvil> The device idle - apart from a 30s ping over 3g - uses the same amount of power as it does active with the screen at mid brightness.
May 10 14:48:13 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: yes. For some protocols at least.
May 10 14:48:37 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: For others, it may be possible to optimise. It also may be possible to use stuff like proxies for example.
May 10 14:49:20 <SpeedEvil> 2G - for comparison purposes - uses one third of the power with a 30s ping
May 10 14:49:25 <E0x> alterego: maybe  a switch when you open "someapps"
May 10 14:49:29 <E0x> like webbrowser
May 10 14:49:35 <TigerTael> Just give me a better battery. ;P
May 10 14:49:39 <TomaszD> so in order for this to be a really always-on-data whole day device we need to wait for better 3G modems and better battery technology
May 10 14:50:06 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: Proxies can do a lot.
May 10 14:50:12 <alterego> E0x: My issue is with apps that are always open ;) It wouldn't be to hard to monitor usage, and when it exceeds a point, for say a couple of seconds, it switches to 3G
May 10 14:50:28 <alterego> Unfortunately, that switch may affect some connections whilst in process.
May 10 14:50:41 <E0x> yes
May 10 14:50:42 <TomaszD> the thing is, I like 3G call quality :)
May 10 14:50:48 <TomaszD> I don't want a compromise
May 10 14:50:59 <alterego> TomaszD: then look at what I've been suggesting :P
May 10 14:51:24 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: For example - if in the above irc example - the proxy talks to the IRC servers, and only sends you a packet to keep your connection alive - say once every 5 min - or when something actually happens. And it might - for example - batch messages in channels that are not directed to you for 5 min.
May 10 14:51:35 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: When the screen is off
May 10 14:52:06 <TomaszD> SpeedEvil, I do understand the concept, but that won't work for skype, and you only need one rogue plugin to fuck up the party
May 10 14:52:10 <E0x> SpeedEvil: that can be done at protocol level i think
May 10 14:52:16 <SpeedEvil> E0x: Sure.
May 10 14:52:21 <E0x> so a improved in the protocol can help too
May 10 14:52:24 <SpeedEvil> E0x: If you write the protocol.
May 10 14:52:44 <SpeedEvil> E0x: Good luck trying to get a powersaving batched IRC protocol rolled out worldwide to all servers.
May 10 14:53:13 <E0x> SpeedEvil: true but my idea was more
May 10 14:53:18 <E0x> for IM protocols
May 10 14:53:29 <redeeman> i invented a general purpose IM/Chat protocol
May 10 14:53:34 <E0x> telepathy one
May 10 14:53:35 <redeeman> designed to minimize traffic as much as possible
May 10 14:53:40 <redeeman> and even invented a compression algorithm for it
May 10 14:53:44 <luke-jr> ...
May 10 14:53:49 <luke-jr> compression = more CPU use = more power
May 10 14:53:51 <fysa> :P
May 10 14:53:55 <luke-jr> packet size isn't as relevant I think
May 10 14:53:57 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: Err - wrong
May 10 14:53:58 <redeeman> luke-jr: you're mistaken, radio time is what costs
May 10 14:54:01 <alterego> Unfortunately, you'd probably need a driver for every IM protocol, in which case, why not just use one of those demultiplexing services that do all the IM chat and give you a unified interface...
May 10 14:54:05 <SpeedEvil> redeeman: nope.
May 10 14:54:13 <fysa> being awake is what costs.
May 10 14:54:24 <alterego> Also, just point your browser to the IRC log if available and hit refresh when you wanna read it :D
May 10 14:54:29 <luke-jr> alterego: there's only one worthwhile IM protocol :)
May 10 14:54:30 <SpeedEvil> redeeman: A ping - 64 bytes - over 3g - at 30s intervals - uses 136mA
May 10 14:54:47 <fysa> so use znc
May 10 14:54:48 <SpeedEvil> redeeman: A ping - 8000 bytes at 30s intervals - is not measurably different
May 10 14:54:55 <E0x> alterego: hmm that can be cool , a jabber account in some public server that have gateway
May 10 14:55:01 <E0x> for other protocolo
May 10 14:55:03 <redeeman> SpeedEvil: which seems to prove my point?
May 10 14:55:04 <alterego> This is why I use screen :D
May 10 14:55:05 <SpeedEvil> redeeman: It's within 5% certainly.
May 10 14:55:13 <alterego> SSH is very bandwidth friendly when not in use.
May 10 14:55:13 <redeeman> ah
May 10 14:55:15 <redeeman> hmm
May 10 14:55:22 <fysa> znc + bitlbee is where it's at
May 10 14:55:37 <SpeedEvil> redeeman: Over 3G - 2G is a bit better at powersaving.
May 10 14:55:40 <redeeman> SpeedEvil: the cpu can impossibly use more when awake than 3g
May 10 14:55:54 <SpeedEvil> redeeman: ?
May 10 14:56:12 <SpeedEvil> redeeman: The power usage above is with the screen and the CPU idle.
May 10 14:56:13 <alterego> The 3G modem takes more power than the CPU?
May 10 14:56:15 <redeeman> im not sure i trust your data regarding 3g battery usage
May 10 14:56:44 <Funnyface> 3g is better if you are to download a large file
May 10 14:56:48 <SpeedEvil> redeeman: Fair enough - this was polling the bq27200 battery managment chip - averaging over a period of 5 minutes the 5s interval measurements.
May 10 14:56:55 <alterego> Funnyface: that's not the point :P
May 10 14:57:00 <Funnyface> but for just IM and some small web browsing..
May 10 14:57:00 <SpeedEvil> redeeman: With the CPU idle, screen off.
May 10 14:57:03 <Funnyface> 2G is way better
May 10 14:57:04 <E0x> jabber server with gateway for google talk and MSN example just need one "still alive ping" so in theory that can help minimize the impact in the 3g not ?
May 10 14:57:24 <alterego> Web browsing for me is painful on 2G ...
May 10 14:57:27 <alterego> IM is fine.
May 10 14:57:28 <SpeedEvil> E0x: It depends on the protocol details.
May 10 14:57:41 <SpeedEvil> E0x: you actually need to look at tcpdumps
May 10 14:57:50 <E0x> i mean you only will need the jabber server still alive ping
May 10 14:57:58 <E0x> and not one for google and msn
May 10 14:58:00 <E0x> too
May 10 14:58:19 <SpeedEvil> E0x: If the jabber server is acting like a proxy - then yes
May 10 14:58:34 <E0x> yes , the jabber public server act like that
May 10 14:58:36 <SpeedEvil> redeeman: What's your argument with the above numbers?
May 10 14:58:37 <Corsac> didn't had a chance to trace IM trafic, but it's definitely not doable to have it enabled all day for me
May 10 14:59:02 <Corsac> if I enable my jabber account in the morning, the bat will die before the evening :/
May 10 14:59:03 <E0x> you create a account , and define the other account ( if the jabber server have that gateway for that protocolo )
May 10 14:59:09 <Funnyface> for an active IRC channel you can forget about it, because it keeps re enabling the radio all the time
May 10 14:59:39 <Funnyface> but for MSN where you get a message every once in a while it's all good :P
May 10 15:00:31 <Funnyface> put the phone next to a stereo so it catches the interference, then join an empty IRC channel, send one message and see how long the radio is active for just for that one message :P
May 10 15:01:48 <Funnyface> anyway, I installed some 2G/3G switcher app which can switch while the data connection is active so it doesn't drop your connection to everything
May 10 15:02:01 <Funnyface> I keep it on 2G all the time unless I am going to do something that specifically needs 3G
May 10 15:02:23 <alterego> Funnyface: that's exactly what I do, though I'm thinking of automating it to switch when the load is high for more than a few seconds.
May 10 15:02:31 <alterego> So I don't have to use the applet anymore.
May 10 15:02:35 <Funnyface> :P
May 10 15:02:58 <Funnyface> yes, another feature I miss is that it should enable 3G for internet when I receive a phone call
May 10 15:03:12 <Funnyface> because my carrier doesn't support GSM calls and data over the same radio
May 10 15:03:15 <E0x> Funnyface: what app do the switch without data drop ?
May 10 15:03:31 <Funnyface> E0x: it was called 2g/3g/dual or something
May 10 15:03:42 <Funnyface> can't remember, but if you sort by name it should be near the top
May 10 15:03:44 <E0x> i have that and do the drop of the connection
May 10 15:03:57 <E0x> when i do the switch
May 10 15:03:59 <Funnyface> it doesn't, it dies for like 6-7 secs
May 10 15:04:03 <Funnyface> but it doesn't disconnect you
May 10 15:04:10 <E0x> hmm
May 10 15:04:12 <E0x> i will try it
May 10 15:04:28 <Funnyface> when you switch, it doesn't drop you from IRC for example, things just get delayed by a few secs
May 10 15:04:57 <alterego> Funnyface: that's actually a problem with 2G, 2G only allows voice OR data, not simultaneous. Where as 3G allows both at the same time.
May 10 15:05:16 <E0x> hmm that is a problem
May 10 15:05:17 <Funnyface> alterego: as far as I know, the N900's GSM radio should allow both
May 10 15:05:18 <E0x> for me
May 10 15:05:23 <SpeedEvil> FunnyfaceThat depends on ISPs annoyingly
May 10 15:05:29 <E0x> i can't then allow have my IM connected
May 10 15:05:33 <E0x> in 2g
May 10 15:05:33 <Funnyface> yes, what speed said
May 10 15:05:41 <alterego> E0x: yes you can, it'll just stall whilst you're on the phone :P
May 10 15:05:52 <Funnyface> E0x: if it's a short phone call, it will be restored afterwards
May 10 15:05:55 <E0x> oh ok
May 10 15:06:06 <E0x> cool then
May 10 15:06:07 <Funnyface> it depends if the break is so long that your TCP connections time out or not
May 10 15:07:13 <E0x> hmm what blackberry does for keep battery consumtion fine and alway have IM connected ?
May 10 15:07:19 <Surfa> tcp connection timeouts are insanely long by default.. it's highly unlikely yhat they timeout
May 10 15:07:24 <E0x> or do something like in fly switch ?
May 10 15:08:02 <Jiri-> Hello
May 10 15:08:18 <Jiri-> CAn some help me with nokia map loader. n900 win7
May 10 15:08:27 <Surfa> talking many minutes at tcp level
May 10 15:08:40 <timeless_mbp> Jiri-: is it supported?
May 10 15:08:41 <SpeedEvil> Surfa: freenode forex timesout at 240s.
May 10 15:08:58 <Jiri-> timeless_mbp it should be
May 10 15:09:18 <Jiri-> timeless_mbp it allways says "waiting for phones"
May 10 15:09:22 <Surfa> SpeedEvil, sounds typical
May 10 15:09:38 <Surfa> Jiri-, it isnt i think
May 10 15:09:41 <SpeedEvil> It used to be 10 min.
May 10 15:09:45 * SpeedEvil preferred 10 min.
May 10 15:10:23 <Surfa> SpeedEvil, most clients will timeout sooner
May 10 15:10:38 <cehteh> bah .. spamers send spam through ovi to the git ml
May 10 15:11:04 <timeless_mbp> Jiri-: why do you think "it should be"?
May 10 15:11:15 <Jiri-> Surfa t�mm�sen l�ysin mut ei l�ytynyt http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=494373&postcount=46
May 10 15:12:30 <Jiri-> timeless_mbp surfa. is it anyother way to donwload offline maps to n900 then?
May 10 15:12:44 <frals> Jiri-: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2009/10/13/downloading_ovi_maps_without_a_network_c
May 10 15:12:54 <Surfa> n900 maps is pretty crappy :(
May 10 15:13:25 <Jiri-> well do yuo know any better navigation system for n900`
May 10 15:13:47 <Funnyface> I installed something called Sygic or whatever it was
May 10 15:13:50 <Surfa> sygic or so.. what was the name
May 10 15:13:51 <Funnyface> turn by turn navigation
May 10 15:14:01 <Funnyface> but the maps are lacking there as well
May 10 15:14:08 <Funnyface> + it's not free
May 10 15:14:37 <MiXu-> Yes?
May 10 15:14:45 <MiXu-> You need to install the maps separately for it.
May 10 15:14:58 <MiXu-> THey're in ovi store
May 10 15:15:19 <Funnyface> well, I got them from "another source"
May 10 15:15:21 <Funnyface> :p
May 10 15:15:32 <MiXu-> I'm not sure what you mean by "lacking"
May 10 15:16:12 <Funnyface> well, at my location, it doesn't contain small streets and things like that, only main roads and cities
May 10 15:16:20 <MiXu-> ah, got ya
May 10 15:16:27 <SpeedEvil> Funnyface: Openstreetmap!
May 10 15:16:29 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 10 15:16:40 <SpeedEvil> Funnyface: Where are you again, I forgot.
May 10 15:16:51 <Funnyface> SpeedEvil: OSM doesn't even have my street on the map :P
May 10 15:16:53 <Funnyface> Norway
May 10 15:17:03 <SpeedEvil> Oh no.
May 10 15:17:05 <MiXu-> That's odd
May 10 15:17:13 <SpeedEvil> Funnyface: well - fix it! :) osm2go++
May 10 15:17:31 <Funnyface> :P
May 10 15:17:37 <MiXu-> All the Finnish streets and roads that I've needed so far have been there.
May 10 15:18:06 <Funnyface> MiXu-: perhaps you have a different map pack
May 10 15:18:13 <timeless_mbp> i'd pay the 60CUR or whatever and get the other vendor's product
May 10 15:18:19 <MiXu-> I've got the Nordic map pack
May 10 15:18:23 <timeless_mbp> they probably offer real support among other things
May 10 15:18:29 <Funnyface> like, you'll have detailed maps of finland, but only main roads in the rest of europe
May 10 15:18:30 <Funnyface> ah ok
May 10 15:18:30 <Jiri-> well i just want to have some kind of map whenn going abroad...
May 10 15:18:39 <MiXu-> Bought it for 39,90e
May 10 15:18:42 <Funnyface> but well like I said, I got them from.. ahem.. "another source" :P
May 10 15:18:45 <E0x> hope google port the map app for meego a least
May 10 15:18:51 <Funnyface> so I guess those maps aren't nordic
May 10 15:18:54 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10149
May 10 15:18:55 <povbot> Bug 10149: CSS for editing renders a messed up page on 1280*768
May 10 15:19:04 <Jiri-> well poland
May 10 15:19:42 <Jiri-> i try that sygic from "another source" if it better than ovi maps
May 10 15:20:37 <lcuk> can we remove the notice about pr1.2 and instead change it to a generic block on pirated copyright materials
May 10 15:21:23 <MiXu-> imo Sygic is well worth paying for
May 10 15:22:17 <Jiri-> i test it first and then decide after that
May 10 15:22:38 <frals> lcuk: should probably highlight DocScrutinizer for that ;o
May 10 15:22:53 <DocScrutinizer> nah...
May 10 15:23:03 <lcuk> i wasnt aware they had a test version Jiri- would you show me the link to their site where its offered?
May 10 15:23:25 <Funnyface> as long as it isn't bogged down with DRM crap and locked to the device's ID etc it might be worth paying for yes
May 10 15:23:44 <MiXu-> Funnyface: There's no DRM
May 10 15:23:46 <Funnyface> and if they allow you to download a binary copy
May 10 15:24:45 <Jiri-> lcuk i think the "test" version filetype is .torrent
May 10 15:25:24 <lcuk> Jiri-, do you write your own software?
May 10 15:25:32 <Jiri-> no i don't
May 10 15:25:57 <Jiri-> i use to about 15 year ago but not anymore
May 10 15:26:07 <MiXu-> There is a test version of Sygic
May 10 15:26:12 <MiXu-> It's free for 7 days
May 10 15:26:23 <Jiri-> ok i didn't know that
May 10 15:27:11 <lcuk> MiXu-, from where?
May 10 15:28:39 <MiXu-> lcuk: ovi store
May 10 15:29:05 <Funnyface> hmm, which means you can use a tool to reset the trial every week? lol
May 10 15:29:37 <MiXu-> Doing that would be just teasing yourself.
May 10 15:30:08 <Funnyface> my mate is running an "extended trial" of norton antivirus :P
May 10 15:30:19 <MiXu-> Because that's probably not any more legal than just stealing it.
May 10 15:32:57 <DocScrutinizer> and this chan has a lot of members that earn their living by selling software. You won't gain a lot of friends by suggesting such practice
May 10 15:33:57 <hrw-uds> hi people
May 10 15:34:14 <lcuk> and since the gpl and most open source is supported by strong copyright laws, even people in the free software crowd will look down upon such practices
May 10 15:34:37 <MiXu-> I'm proud to say I haven't pirated anything on Maemo. :)
May 10 15:35:11 <hrw-uds> MiXu-: thats because there is nothing to pirate here (maybe except sygic mobile)
May 10 15:35:20 <alterego> MiXu-: good job :)
May 10 15:35:22 <MiXu-> and joikuspot (which I also bought)
May 10 15:35:59 <alterego> I don't really have a need for either.
May 10 15:36:02 <MacDrunk> hmmm
May 10 15:36:07 <MacDrunk> hey hello all
May 10 15:36:12 <alterego> I'm happy using the USB connector for my internet tethering needs.
May 10 15:36:15 <MacDrunk> im new at this
May 10 15:36:22 <MacDrunk> is hard to program on maemo
May 10 15:36:31 <MacDrunk> i like to take some programming courses
May 10 15:37:00 <MiXu-> Learn Qt
May 10 15:37:07 <MacDrunk> qt
May 10 15:37:09 <MacDrunk> ??
May 10 15:37:16 <DocScrutinizer> MacDrunk: there are better platforms to start learning programming, for sure
May 10 15:37:35 <MacDrunk> yea like ????
May 10 15:37:44 <MacDrunk> c++ or so
May 10 15:37:46 <hrw-uds> MacDrunk: write code for desktop. use Qt for it
May 10 15:37:47 <MiXu-> If you wanna code for maemo start from: http://qt.nokia.com
May 10 15:38:03 <MiXu-> Write a desktop app and then port it to Maemo.
May 10 15:38:20 <MacDrunk> ok
May 10 15:39:47 <DocScrutinizer> MacDrunk: see, the maemo development tools are not exactly easy to master even for experienced programmers
May 10 15:40:20 <ruskie> hmm is there a way to specify that a certain mime type should be opened with a diff tool? on the n900 that is naturally...
May 10 15:40:47 <DocScrutinizer> ruskie: would think so
May 10 15:41:15 <MacDrunk> well first ill take a look at the qt tutorials
May 10 15:41:33 <MacDrunk> then ill take a basic proggaming course
May 10 15:41:38 <MacDrunk> first of all
May 10 15:41:48 <MacDrunk> i havent a clue on how to program
May 10 15:42:02 <MacDrunk> so i better start form zero
May 10 15:42:14 <MiXu-> MacDrunk: Qt is a toolkit for C++. So if you can't find a Qt course, take a C++ course.
May 10 15:42:16 <DocScrutinizer> MacDrunk: then by all means avoid looking at qt for now
May 10 15:42:50 <DocScrutinizer> MacDrunk: and I'd even recommend not to start with C++ either
May 10 15:43:26 <alterego> Python+Qt/PySide :)
May 10 15:43:36 <alterego> Nice gentle introduction into programming ...
May 10 15:43:39 <DocScrutinizer> you might want to start with a 'simple' programming language, like C
May 10 15:43:47 <alterego> anyhow, I gotta get a bus, later #maemo
May 10 15:43:48 <hrw-uds> or BASIC?
May 10 15:43:55 <tripzero> simple... lols
May 10 15:43:58 <hrw-uds> DocScrutinizer: C++ is simpler then C
May 10 15:44:03 <DocScrutinizer> nooooooo, no basic
May 10 15:44:11 <DocScrutinizer> hrw-uds: LOL
May 10 15:44:11 <alterego> hrw-uds: lies
May 10 15:44:20 <hrw-uds> if you do not touch classes, inheritance but only write functions
May 10 15:44:23 <alterego> :)
May 10 15:44:26 * alterego waves
May 10 15:44:33 <MiXu-> My first programming language was Java, but now I wish I had learnt C++ first.
May 10 15:44:37 <tripzero> i think it's better to start with c++.  c++ can do c too
May 10 15:44:52 <hrw-uds> C forces few things which C++ allows
May 10 15:45:03 <tripzero> and it can be simple enough
May 10 15:45:10 <hrw-uds> like declaring variables anywhere which is C++ but not C
May 10 15:45:10 <DocScrutinizer> tbh I'd like to suggest assembler to everybody, for starting programming
May 10 15:45:15 <MiXu-> lol
May 10 15:45:24 <hrw-uds> DocScrutinizer: pic16xxx had simple asm
May 10 15:45:33 <MiXu-> DocScrutinizer: To make sure they give up? :D
May 10 15:45:37 <tripzero> lol
May 10 15:45:55 <tripzero> asm forces you to learn how it all works under the hood.  but it sure is painful...
May 10 15:45:55 <DocScrutinizer> no, to get the right approach to what programmin
May 10 15:46:00 <DocScrutinizer> g is all about
May 10 15:46:18 <DocScrutinizer> tripzero: ++
May 10 15:46:49 <MiXu-> Majority of programmers don't need to know about asm
May 10 15:47:29 <DocScrutinizer> MiXu-: that's a common error
May 10 15:48:07 <DocScrutinizer> leading to absurdities like drivers written in C++ and taking minutes to initialize
May 10 15:48:08 <tripzero> Majority of programmers also suck
May 10 15:48:16 <DocScrutinizer> tripzero: exactly
May 10 15:48:27 <MiXu-> tripzero: True
May 10 15:48:30 <tripzero> i should know, i'm one of those who suck :P
May 10 15:48:38 <MiXu-> Me too
May 10 15:49:17 <MiXu-> But that's the point. It's ok if majority sucks, as long as there are the experts that can fix things when other's don't know how.
May 10 15:49:31 * DocScrutinizer summons raster
May 10 15:49:37 <MiXu-> In a perfect world things would be different of course
May 10 15:50:03 <E0x> i am a perfect world i was a king :D
May 10 15:50:58 <tripzero> so... is pr1.2 out yet?
May 10 15:51:11 <MiXu-> But if you look at the most used programming languages: In addition to C and C++ (where it's good if you know asm) there's Java, PHP, Javascript, Python, SQL, Perl, C#... No need for asm afaik.
May 10 15:51:11 <DocScrutinizer> asking for /kick?
May 10 15:51:20 <tripzero> i just got done battling my phone with the droid over the weekend when I visited my family
May 10 15:51:49 <tripzero> my bro thought the front facing camera was cool.  too bad there's no software to use it yet :S
May 10 15:52:25 <DocScrutinizer> MiXu-: ASM isn't about using it in SQL, it's about learning concepts
May 10 15:52:46 <tripzero> ...and writing drivers and other low level stuff that you want fast
May 10 15:53:02 <hrw-uds> ~pr1.2
May 10 15:53:02 <infobot> i heard pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.
May 10 15:53:20 <MiXu-> DocScrutinizer: I suppose you can learn those concepts (good programming practices, etc.) even if you don't know about asm?
May 10 15:54:20 <MiXu-> Of course it never hurts to know what's under the hood. I'm just saying that starting from asm is quite extreme.
May 10 15:54:41 <ruskie> hmm fun... 13.7MB on /
May 10 15:54:50 <DocScrutinizer> MiXu-: you *can* but alas in E.G. C++ nothing is forcing you to learn them, and you'll end with code that's abysmal ugly wrt machine optimization and a number of other aspects
May 10 15:56:21 <DocScrutinizer> MiXu-: starting from C++ is what I call extreme. Learning about object instantiation while no idea whatsoever about the difference between call-by-ref and call-by-value
May 10 15:56:47 <lcuk> MiXu-, raw binary is a bit extreme, assembler teaches you the fundemental building blocks that ALL code is written using no matter the language
May 10 15:57:05 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: exactly! thanks mate
May 10 15:58:55 <MacDrunk> well later all
May 10 15:59:06 <MacDrunk> im off to look for a programming school
May 10 15:59:31 <MacDrunk> thanks for the advice
May 10 15:59:33 <MiXu-> I see what you guys are saying.
May 10 16:01:11 <Funnyface> I was always recommended to start directly on something like C or C++ instead of a crap language, because it'd be harder to learn C/C++ later after learning the crap one :p
May 10 16:01:21 <chem|st> tripzero: mplayer tv:// -tv device=/dev/video1
May 10 16:01:31 <DocScrutinizer> MiXu-: by all means avoid things like garbage collectors, implicit typecasts and esp implicit var declarations in the language you start with
May 10 16:01:34 <MiXu-> Funnyface: Exactly
May 10 16:01:58 <tripzero> chem|st, ehhe, true
May 10 16:02:08 <DocScrutinizer> so what? You won't tell me assembler is a crap language?
May 10 16:02:16 <DocScrutinizer> basic is a crap language
May 10 16:02:26 <Funnyface> assembly is probably the least crappy one
May 10 16:02:27 <chem|st> tripzero: many ways how to display front cam, even stream it...
May 10 16:02:32 <Funnyface> while vb is the most crappy one :p
May 10 16:02:47 <MohammadAG> vbulliten?
May 10 16:02:59 <tripzero> chem|st, but not via skype/google voice/talk :(
May 10 16:03:04 <Funnyface> MS visual basic
May 10 16:03:12 <MohammadAG> bah
May 10 16:03:12 <MohammadAG> sucks
May 10 16:03:57 <MiXu-> In my books the efficiency of a language also counts. If I write a 1KLOC app in Qt and it'd take me 1000KLOC in asm, I'd say asm is a crap language. But those numbers aren't based on anything. Just an example.
May 10 16:04:02 <tripzero> lols
May 10 16:04:10 * tripzero writes a stupid "mirror" application
May 10 16:04:12 <chem|st> tripzero: if you come from µ$ you may have a problem but being the kind of people using xserver to have multiple windows on one monitor... is exporting of /dev/video1 to somewhere else just a 30 char cmd-line
May 10 16:04:22 <omar> hey Docscrutinizer, lcuk I uninstalled the callnotifier and my hildon-status-menu's cpu usage is nearly non existent now. i'm guessing the app kept polling the device every few seconds to check for missed calls and stuff
May 10 16:04:44 <chem|st> s/windows/shells/
May 10 16:04:45 <infobot> chem|st meant: tripzero: if you come from µ$ you may have a problem but being the kind of people using xserver to have multiple shells on one monitor... is exporting of /dev/video1 to somewhere else just a 30 char cmd-line
May 10 16:05:13 <DocScrutinizer> there's three types of devels that are spoiled for life and never will get it right: the scriptkiddies, the vb idiots, and the prolog math nerds
May 10 16:06:07 <chem|st> well screen is capable of doing things like that aswell...
May 10 16:06:14 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, i spent 10 years as a vb guy
May 10 16:06:17 <DocScrutinizer> C++ is somewhere in between the later 2
May 10 16:06:30 <lcuk> but i never stopped coding like it was c :)
May 10 16:07:14 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: as long as you touched vb after you finished your programming elementary school, you're not doomed ;-P
May 10 16:07:56 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, zx spectrum got me into identifying faults, amiga sas c got me into coding
May 10 16:08:14 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: :-D
May 10 16:08:37 <lcuk> 68k is the nicest flavour of asm ive ever used
May 10 16:08:58 <lcuk> looking at x86 asm made me weep
May 10 16:09:07 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 10 16:10:43 <dneary> andre__, ping?
May 10 16:10:56 <andre__> dneary, pong
May 10 16:11:19 <MohammadAG> http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/10/canonical-shows-off-unity-desktop-ubuntu-light-for-oems/
May 10 16:11:27 <dneary> andre__, I was wondering, which questions of mine were you thinking of when we talked about a documentation product for bugzilla?
May 10 16:12:14 <andre__> dneary, hmm? you mean my email response to jarmo why I haven't created it yet?
May 10 16:12:29 <dneary> andre__, Yes, that one
May 10 16:12:55 <andre__> ah. was about the workflow. if you think everything's clear now I can create it this week
May 10 16:24:34 <dneary> The workflow? Ah - you mean when someone goes "New bug" what the title on the next screen should say?
May 10 16:24:43 <dneary> Sorry - I need to refresh my memory on this
May 10 16:26:46 <andre__> dneary, nope, refered more to technical stuff (like copying content). but that seems to be solved now
May 10 16:28:26 <crazyhorss> Is there a function for camera to take photo in 5 seconds for say a time when  i just want to set the phone on a platform and take a photo including myself
May 10 16:29:42 <crazyhorss> it's a very simple feature
May 10 16:29:45 <dneary> andre__, The last thing I can find is "proposed reorganisation of ..."
May 10 16:30:06 <andre__> dneary, I think that's the status currently, yepp
May 10 16:30:12 <dneary> crazyhorss, I don't know if a way to do it with the N900.
May 10 16:30:30 <dneary> andre__, Then if we could put that proposal into practice soon, that would be cool
May 10 16:30:38 <DocScrutinizer> crazyhorss: thought same ~12h ago
May 10 16:30:42 <andre__> dneary, ok
May 10 16:30:43 <dneary> I'd like to start using Bugzilla to track wiki gardening tasks
May 10 16:31:02 <dneary> Rather than trying to maintain a wiki page as a TODO list
May 10 16:31:07 <dneary> Which sucks badly
May 10 16:31:39 <andre__> crazyhorss, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38275 , http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/camera_timer_for_taking_timed_shots/
May 10 16:32:26 <andre__> dneary, is that the "wikify useful stuff posted in t.m.o" thread or more general?
May 10 16:32:32 <dneary> crazyhorss, so, as andre__ says, there's a way to script it, but not using the camera app
May 10 16:32:40 <dneary> slightly more general
May 10 16:35:34 <DocScrutinizer51> wow, camera pumps up cpu to 100
May 10 16:37:00 <TomaszD> hmm, bike gloves made in Pakistan
May 10 17:03:38 <andrewfblack> Hello
May 10 17:06:08 <Piotras> X-Fade, Anything new wrt python2.3 issue and unrecognized option ?
May 10 17:17:38 <DocScrutinizer51> anybody herealready had a look into it? how's camera notfied about cam_launch button press?
May 10 17:18:22 <DocScrutinizer51> dbus? sysfs? direct readout of the SoC GPIO register?
May 10 17:18:37 <SpeedEvil> I looked on dbus a while back, and diddn't see anything
May 10 17:18:55 <r0gcas> hi anybody there? i would need help with scratchbox. what i want is to enter scratchbox specifying the target for compilation before entering.
May 10 17:18:56 <SpeedEvil> I diddn't look at it very closely.
May 10 17:18:59 <DocScrutinizer51> there's a msg on dbus
May 10 17:19:07 <DocScrutinizer51> szstembus
May 10 17:19:24 <alterego> I'm pretty sure it's dbus
May 10 17:20:09 <DocScrutinizer51> reedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_cam_focus; interface=org.freedesktop.Hal.Device; member=Condition      string "ButtonPressed"
May 10 17:20:19 <MohammadAG> gpio
May 10 17:20:35 <SpeedEvil> Well - of course the lowest level is fpio
May 10 17:20:41 <MohammadAG> [ 8253.836700] cam_focus (GPIO 68) is now active
May 10 17:20:46 <SpeedEvil> what watches the GPUIO and pokes the camera though
May 10 17:20:55 <SpeedEvil> cam_focus is 'half-pressed'
May 10 17:21:14 <MohammadAG> [ 8268.757873] cam_launch (GPIO 69) is now inactive
May 10 17:21:16 <MohammadAG> yes
May 10 17:21:34 <SpeedEvil> I suppose it's logical that the camera would half-wake on cam_focus - to get ready for the likely shortly upcoming press event
May 10 17:21:36 <DocScrutinizer51> I 'just' want to fake a buttonpress event for cam_GUI ;)
May 10 17:21:42 <r0gcas> i am sorry to interrupt, but i only need to know how to enter scratchbox specifying before the compilation target
May 10 17:21:48 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: why?
May 10 17:21:50 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: I know
May 10 17:22:00 <SpeedEvil> r0gcas: /me has no clue.
May 10 17:22:08 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: timer shoot
May 10 17:22:09 <SpeedEvil> ah
May 10 17:22:54 <alterego> DocScrutinizer51: would it not be far easier to use gstreamer direcgtly?
May 10 17:23:24 <DocScrutinizer51> should scrutinize camgui's dbus methods - maybe there's shoot?
May 10 17:24:00 <DocScrutinizer51> alterego: for simply operating the cam chip yes
May 10 17:24:22 <DocScrutinizer51> but I want augmented camgui functionality
May 10 17:25:34 <alterego> DocScrutinizer51: what functionality? everything can be done through gstreamer surely?
May 10 17:25:55 <DocScrutinizer51> alterego: and I don't want to reinvent whole camera GUI
May 10 17:26:13 <SpeedEvil> alterego: As I understand it, overlay is hard
May 10 17:26:16 <alterego> oh you want a UI :)
May 10 17:26:55 <alterego> well, you could write you own source filter and put it in the camera config file inplace of v4lsrc
May 10 17:27:16 <alterego> Hrm, xevent feedback  wouldn't work though :)
May 10 17:27:35 <r0gcas> hi, i am sorry to interrupt, daes anybody happens when wants to change target in scratchbox a message like "first close other scratchbox session" appears? how do you resolve this?
May 10 17:28:17 <alterego> think you can specify the sink too though. not sure that helps.
May 10 17:29:32 <dmj726> It's nice to see tmo filled with [Announce] threads again
May 10 17:30:02 <DocScrutinizer51> alterego: nah, I want the original cam app. just make it shoot a photo
May 10 17:30:37 <alterego> Are you trying to augment the camera ui?
May 10 17:31:00 <DocScrutinizer51> but keep all the setup, storing etc options
May 10 17:31:06 <alterego> right
May 10 17:31:10 <DocScrutinizer51> alterego: exactly
May 10 17:31:12 <dmj726> If you can augment the cam ui, let me know
May 10 17:31:29 <alterego> Me too :D
May 10 17:32:33 <DocScrutinizer51> gdb goes a long way ;-P
May 10 17:32:50 <DocScrutinizer51> as does hexedit
May 10 17:33:37 <dmj726> :):-(
May 10 17:34:14 <r0gcas> topic: scratchbox. problem: how to change compilation target when a message like 'first close other scratchbox session' appears. can anyone help? please..
May 10 17:34:20 <DocScrutinizer51> is that chinese letter?
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May 10 17:35:28 <andre__> thanks.
May 10 17:35:32 <MohammadAG> welcome
May 10 17:35:35 <MohammadAG> :P
May 10 17:35:36 <DocScrutinizer> np
May 10 17:37:20 <andre__> DocScrutinizer, can you do the same in #meego with the same guy? :-P
May 10 17:37:36 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, no  +o on #meego
May 10 17:37:44 <MohammadAG> * p :0 staff members GRR
May 10 17:37:55 <dmj726> it's a smiley and a frowny
May 10 17:37:56 <MohammadAG> join #freenode and ask that it gets klined
May 10 17:39:51 <r0gcas> last try: anyone knows how to enter scratchbox specifying compilation target?
May 10 17:40:27 <MohammadAG> sb-conf select FREMANTLE_X86/ARMEL
May 10 17:40:27 <DocScrutinizer> andre__: MohammadAG: done
May 10 17:41:52 <r0gcas> thanks, but sb-conf select FREMANTLE_X86/ARMEL, you do it when you already are in scratchbox, and sometime happens that when you try this a message appears saying you must close first your actual session in scratchbox, do you know how to resolve this?
May 10 17:42:34 <MohammadAG> sb-menu and hit killall
May 10 17:42:36 <MohammadAG> last option
May 10 17:43:08 <r0gcas> yes, it is what i did and worked fine, but now it doesn't work. maybe it is a bug and have to restart
May 10 17:43:58 <MohammadAG> never happened to me tbh
May 10 17:44:04 <MohammadAG> killall always solves it here
May 10 17:44:49 * SpeedEvil sighs at the grammar of spammers.
May 10 17:44:55 <SpeedEvil> 'Real and eligable' ?
May 10 17:45:12 <r0gcas> ok, thanks for your help MohammadAG, i don't know why this doesn't work now, but i suppose it will work in the future. goodbye and have a nice day
May 10 17:45:29 <alterego> DocScrutinizer51: gst-inspect camerabin looks interesting...
May 10 17:45:55 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: heh :-D what's it showing?
May 10 17:46:08 <MohammadAG> am I going somewhere?
May 10 17:46:47 <brik> he went somewhere
May 10 17:46:49 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: lots
May 10 17:46:53 <Terje_> QSqlDatabase:�QSQLITE�driver�not�loaded
May 10 17:46:53 <Terje_> QSqlDatabase:�available�drivers:�
May 10 17:47:01 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: you can tell it to take a picture.
May 10 17:47:04 <Terje_> Not a good sign not to have any available SQL drivers.
May 10 17:47:18 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: still probably not what you need though.
May 10 17:47:31 <DocScrutinizer> naw, prolly not
May 10 17:47:41 <DocScrutinizer> interesting stuff though
May 10 17:48:19 <alterego> yeah, if you use it as a sole element, it just shows the camera, but you can use it to tke videos or images :D
May 10 17:48:45 <alterego> Maybe I should rewrite camera-ui ;)
May 10 17:49:25 <SpeedEvil> alterego: Plz!
May 10 17:49:36 <alterego> :)
May 10 17:49:37 <SpeedEvil> Also integrate 'flashlight' into it
May 10 17:50:11 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: feels like ALSA, somewhat
May 10 17:50:31 <alterego> I'd make it far more modular. I might start working on it when I finish my current project. just need a few more days on this one :)
May 10 17:51:12 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: I'd happily help on reviewing the architecture
May 10 17:53:04 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: it's  date ;)
May 10 17:54:06 <alterego> bbiab
May 10 18:00:47 <r0gcas> hi, i continue with scratchbox stuff. does anyone know how to execute killall from the command-line? i try kill -n 15 but it doesn't work
May 10 18:01:14 <lcuk> r0gcas, it only works if you have ninjas on your tail
May 10 18:01:17 <lcuk> killall ninjas
May 10 18:01:40 <r0gcas> killall ninjas? i will try
May 10 18:01:48 <lcuk> and most liekly failing for you because you arent being chased, or root or something
May 10 18:02:01 <slonopotamus_> r0gcas, sb-<smth> killall
May 10 18:02:06 <r0gcas> ninjas: no process killed
May 10 18:02:31 <slonopotamus_> hey, you can't kill ninjas
May 10 18:02:49 <lcuk> pirates can
May 10 18:03:02 <slonopotamus_> damn
May 10 18:03:04 <BCMM> grrr
May 10 18:03:10 <lcuk> *arrr
May 10 18:03:18 <E0x> lcuk: not , they cannot
May 10 18:03:20 * BCMM is adding "+44" to the start of all his contact's numbers using sed
May 10 18:03:29 <BCMM> (so they work with skype)
May 10 18:03:37 <lcuk> E0x, do you have proof that ninjas are pirate proof?
May 10 18:03:39 <slonopotamus_> i suspect r0gcas isn't a pirate
May 10 18:03:42 <r0gcas> i don't know what ninjas are. slonopotamus_ i try sb-<smth> killall and says it doesn't exist the file
May 10 18:03:50 <slonopotamus_> ...
May 10 18:03:56 <r0gcas> no, i am a novice, total
May 10 18:04:13 <slonopotamus_> :D
May 10 18:04:35 <lcuk> r0gcas, what are you trying to kill
May 10 18:04:43 <r0gcas> all processes,
May 10 18:04:50 <slonopotamus_> r0gcas, <smth> should be replaced by something, i just can't remember exact name
May 10 18:04:52 <r0gcas> because i want to change compile target
May 10 18:04:53 <omar> BCMM, your skype out works? :(
May 10 18:05:05 <lcuk> r0gcas, in "sb-menu" theres an option to kill everything
May 10 18:05:12 <r0gcas> ahh, ok, maybe like sb-menu ...
May 10 18:05:21 <r0gcas> or sb-conf
May 10 18:05:25 <BCMM> omar: apparently
May 10 18:05:26 <slonopotamus_> lcuk, it's also doable frim commandline
May 10 18:05:32 <E0x> lcuk: yes, you can't follow ninja and pirate can run with they leg of wood
May 10 18:05:35 <slonopotamus_> s/rim/rom/
May 10 18:05:36 <infobot> slonopotamus_ meant: lcuk, it's also doable from commandline
May 10 18:05:47 <BCMM> omar: only it cries at numbers without an international prefix
May 10 18:05:53 <omar> BCMM, do i have to do anything special to get it working? whenever I call someone their phone rings and can answer but we can't hear each other and it disconnects  after a sec
May 10 18:05:55 <lcuk> sure slonopotamus_ but at least i can remember the method this way
May 10 18:06:00 <omar> BCMM, yeah i know i've been using the prefix
May 10 18:06:15 <BCMM> so, export contacts, do some sed to them, import
May 10 18:06:21 <omar> BCMM, furthermore i can use skype on my PC to same # and i can hear myself fine ;/
May 10 18:06:22 <BCMM> unless somebody knows a better way
May 10 18:06:28 <BCMM> omar: well, i have no idea
May 10 18:06:34 <slonopotamus_> BCMM, storing numbers without country code is nonportable
May 10 18:06:35 <omar> figured ;/
May 10 18:06:36 <BCMM> omar: does skype-skype work?
May 10 18:06:41 <omar> skype skype works
May 10 18:06:41 <BCMM> slonopotamus_: i know
May 10 18:06:45 <omar> skype messaging works too
May 10 18:06:46 <r0gcas> look, i do sb-conf killall and ok, and then i do sb-conf select FREMANTLE_X86  and problems, says close other scratchbox session first
May 10 18:06:48 <BCMM> omar: no idea
May 10 18:06:59 <omar> i shall contact skype support then
May 10 18:07:03 <BCMM> by the way, if anybody has SIP and is happy with it, tell me what you use
May 10 18:07:09 <lcuk> r0gcas, just reboot and stop switching around?
May 10 18:07:29 <slonopotamus_> lcuk, that soo windows-way
May 10 18:07:36 <BCMM> (especially if your network NATs you and it still works)
May 10 18:07:41 <lcuk> slonopotamus_, hes a windows user
May 10 18:07:43 <lcuk> i think
May 10 18:07:45 <slonopotamus_> oh
May 10 18:08:00 <slonopotamus_> novice windows pirate, i see
May 10 18:08:35 <r0gcas> ok i will reboot. quitting... thanks and bye
May 10 18:09:12 <lcuk> something tells me he was using a virtual machine too
May 10 18:09:20 <lcuk> rebooting that wouldv had the same job lol
May 10 18:09:53 <frals> isnt there an option in sb-menu to kill all processes?
May 10 18:10:17 <lcuk> frals, i suggested this first
May 10 18:10:22 <frals> ah ok
May 10 18:10:27 <frals> didnt read the whole backlog :P
May 10 18:10:39 <lcuk> me neither but i offered the option from nice gui menu
May 10 18:10:46 <lcuk> but he carried on with command line
May 10 18:11:19 <crazyhorss> hey Doc sorry for late reply im mobile atm... have you found the solution to timed picture taking thing?
May 10 18:12:55 <crazyhorss> oh scripting it, i see. going to ask if the guy that wrote manual video focus to add this option
May 10 18:13:21 <crazyhorss> the manual focus is awesome.. use it all the time
May 10 18:13:35 <SimonLR> I wrestled a bear once
May 10 18:15:36 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: ( <BCMM> by the way, if anybody has SIP and is happy) sipgate.de
May 10 18:15:58 <DocScrutinizer> .at, co.uk
May 10 18:16:09 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: and that is cool with NAT?
May 10 18:16:09 <DocScrutinizer> afaik
May 10 18:16:18 <DocScrutinizer> works flawlessly
May 10 18:16:34 <BCMM> and does it generally peer with other SIP networks?
May 10 18:16:47 <BCMM> (not that that is likely to make a great difference to me)
May 10 18:16:52 <DocScrutinizer> a large number, yes
May 10 18:20:14 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, http://www.sipgate.co.uk/user/tarife.php?show=6 shows just 2 - once there's been like 100
May 10 18:32:31 <derf> Wow, it is ridiculously hard to change your wifi password.
May 10 18:33:13 <ruskie> ?
May 10 18:33:31 <derf> Well, typing it into the dialog didn't seem to change what was actually stored in gconf, so it would ask me again. Every time.
May 10 18:34:00 <derf> I wound up using gconftool-2 to overwrite the plaintext version stored in gconf.
May 10 18:34:24 <derf> Which, without cut and paste for the 6-bajillion digit hex id it uses for the network, was a PITA.
May 10 18:35:28 <DocScrutinizer> derf: file a bug
May 10 18:36:09 <derf> This has been broken since at least Chinook.
May 10 18:36:24 <DocScrutinizer> heh cool
May 10 18:36:39 <lcuk> derf, anything special about your network
May 10 18:36:39 <derf> (I know, because I just did it 5 minutes earlier on my N810, where at least I had gconfeditor to make it relatively painless).
May 10 18:36:47 <PhonicUK> hey all
May 10 18:36:58 <lcuk> and is there a bug number
May 10 18:37:05 <derf> lcuk: Not my network. Work. Which is why they make me change my password.
May 10 18:37:52 <DocScrutinizer> fwiw - I encountered same annoyance in Knetworkmanager
May 10 18:37:54 <lcuk> password change time is bad for more than just handhelds
May 10 18:38:11 <lcuk> my human brain has been broken with it forever
May 10 18:38:48 <DocScrutinizer> seems there's something essentially borked
May 10 18:38:49 <ds3> 8
May 10 18:38:56 <DocScrutinizer> 9
May 10 18:39:59 <DocScrutinizer> obviously your best bet always is to completely delete the network link and configure from scratch
May 10 18:40:48 <lcuk> ive got an n900 on irc here, i know its ip address but i cannot open a connection to it because its on 3g
May 10 18:41:13 * DocScrutinizer blames rendezvous
May 10 18:41:46 <lcuk> i need to *find* the device
May 10 18:41:59 <lcuk> and was gonna start media player or something over ssh
May 10 18:42:12 <lcuk> but i cant connect \@/
May 10 18:42:23 <lcuk> i dont suppose theres an xchat exploit around is there
May 10 18:42:30 <DocScrutinizer> 3G is NAT
May 10 18:42:41 <lcuk> yeah and theres an outbound connection from it
May 10 18:42:53 <DocScrutinizer> won't help
May 10 18:43:07 <DocScrutinizer> call it
May 10 18:43:10 <Terje_> Had a friend with a unix box a decade or so ago, who would let his friends telnet in. The friends returned the favour by playing rooster sound in the middle of the night.
May 10 18:43:37 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, datasim on the missing on
May 10 18:43:38 <lcuk> e
May 10 18:43:46 <DocScrutinizer> :-S
May 10 18:44:00 <ruskie> gah... why is perl so crippled on the n900 :(
May 10 18:44:06 <DocScrutinizer> highlight it on irc, if you got beep notifications
May 10 18:44:16 <Terje_> lcuk, any VoIP account configured?
May 10 18:44:48 <DocScrutinizer> Terje_: nice point
May 10 18:45:20 <DocScrutinizer> or send some mails ;-P
May 10 18:45:22 <frals> lcuk: this is why we *always* open ssh-reverse tunnels ;-)
May 10 18:45:34 <cehteh> openvpn ftw
May 10 18:45:39 <lcuk> no Terje_
May 10 18:45:53 <lcuk> i need to just go hunting
May 10 18:45:59 <Terje_> lcuk, then you just need to remember where you put the darn thing
May 10 18:46:06 <lcuk> ^^
May 10 18:46:15 <lcuk> it wasnt me :) jacob asked if he could use it
May 10 18:46:27 <lcuk> no he doesnt remember where it is
May 10 18:46:40 <lcuk> "wheres the car keys?"
May 10 18:46:44 <lcuk> "in the sand daddy."
May 10 18:46:56 * lcuk looks around a whole beach
May 10 18:47:17 <lcuk> bbl
May 10 18:47:24 <Terje_> lcuk, ok, check the toilet bowl.
May 10 18:47:33 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: wait until bat drains - it will yell
May 10 18:48:02 * lbt starts on the espresso and de-scratchboxing 'base-files'
May 10 18:49:08 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: at least you learnt to schedule a few alarms whenever you give it to him again
May 10 18:50:23 * DocScrutinizer suggests a RF-detector to lcuk - then opening a massive spamming irc session to make the modem transmit
May 10 18:51:45 <lcukn9002> no you dont.
May 10 18:53:15 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, i need something
May 10 18:53:24 <lcuk> ive found it now
May 10 18:53:27 <lcuk> but for future
May 10 18:53:48 <lcuk> i cant give him one with active cell in it because he calls people and answers calls as if its his own phone
May 10 18:53:55 <frals> hahaha
May 10 18:54:14 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: Simply implement per-user accounts.
May 10 18:54:30 <Terje_> lcuk, I give my son an old N81 with no SIM. He's happy to play with it, but then again, he's only 18 months.
May 10 18:54:46 <lcuk> well i asked this, remove the calling and messaging apps from use
May 10 18:55:04 <lcuk> Terje_, mine likes to play angry birds and mahjong
May 10 18:55:21 <lcuk> and whens hes bored of that he phones his mum and sings to her
May 10 18:55:24 <Terje_> lcuk, ok, I have a Nintendo DS for kids for playing.
May 10 18:55:30 <lcuk> awfully cute, but not when we are in the hairdressers
May 10 18:55:48 <lcuk> Terje_, nintendo ds doesnt have "call mummy" feature
May 10 18:55:51 <Terje_> lcuk, ok, enough details.
May 10 18:55:54 <dhq> any new update for n900
May 10 18:55:55 <lcuk> its the frikkin killer app for him
May 10 18:56:15 <Terje_> lcuk, it's easier to talk to her. We're usually in the house.
May 10 18:56:34 <lcuk> Terje_, you know kids, they play calling when sat next to each other
May 10 18:57:00 <lcuk> anyway i have a device with only data sim in :)
May 10 18:57:07 <lcuk> which was the start of this
May 10 18:57:57 <Terje_> lcuk, lucky my kids haven't found that game.
May 10 18:57:59 <RST38h> "A trainee accountant who posted a message on Twitter threatening to blow an airport ''sky high'' has been found guilty of sending a menacing electronic communication. "
May 10 18:58:08 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: schedule alarms for 20:00, 20:02, 20:04...
May 10 18:59:31 <lcuk> RST38h, saw that
May 10 18:59:41 <haltdef> speaking of alarms, is there something that'd slowly increase the volume from nothing?
May 10 18:59:45 <haltdef> wake up andhave a fucking heart attack atm
May 10 18:59:53 <pupnik> who do we have to blow to get qt libs fixed in repo?
May 10 19:00:07 <DocScrutinizer> haltdef: alas not
May 10 19:00:24 <lcuk> haltdef, just set it to an mp3 of your choosing
May 10 19:00:29 <lcuk> with nice polite start?
May 10 19:01:31 <haltdef> mm
May 10 19:01:33 * lcuk has James : Ring the bells
May 10 19:01:44 * DocScrutinizer wonders if there's a dbus call to adjust volume
May 10 19:01:59 <haltdef> just using my old WM phone to do it atm
May 10 19:02:06 <DocScrutinizer> dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller /com/nokia/osso_hp_ls_controller com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller.loudspeaker.force_ loudspeaker_off
May 10 19:02:10 <haltdef> most expensive alarm clock ever
May 10 19:02:13 <DocScrutinizer> not exactly what we need
May 10 19:03:42 <DocScrutinizer> honestly the whole 'brilliant' pulseaudio' maze is missing a lot of softvol controls
May 10 19:04:56 <DocScrutinizer> the alarm app on N810 is magnitudes better
May 10 19:08:44 <lcuk> hiya noobmonk3y welcome back
May 10 19:08:48 <lcuk> let me be the first to
May 10 19:08:55 <noobmonk3y> hehe thanks!
May 10 19:08:55 * lcuk slaps you with a trout
May 10 19:09:05 <noobmonk3y> allthough still a little dazed from my stupidity this morning
May 10 19:09:13 <lcuk> ? what did u do
May 10 19:09:18 <pupnik> homemade parachute?
May 10 19:09:19 <noobmonk3y> i have a comedy sized bump on my forehead
May 10 19:09:26 <lcuk> pics..
May 10 19:09:31 * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout
May 10 19:09:32 <lcuk> and story
May 10 19:09:34 <noobmonk3y> dropped my phone, bent down, smacked a fire extinguioher and knocked myself out
May 10 19:09:43 <noobmonk3y> extinguisher*
May 10 19:09:53 <hawai`i> Hahaha
May 10 19:09:58 <noobmonk3y> lol no pics, head to sore atm!
May 10 19:10:04 <lcuk> http://gadgetsteria.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/implied-facepalm.jpg
May 10 19:10:05 <noobmonk3y> and all this at work lol
May 10 19:10:19 <noobmonk3y> ooo i likie lcuk
May 10 19:10:19 <hawai`i> that is quite possibly the funniest thing I have heard in a while
May 10 19:10:29 <noobmonk3y> lol cheers hawai`i  - i aim to please :P
May 10 19:10:38 <noobmonk3y> allthough i need lots of rest lol
May 10 19:10:42 <DocScrutinizer> well, so it's an accident at work, you're covered by ensurance ;-P
May 10 19:11:00 <noobmonk3y> lol doc - yeah right
May 10 19:11:06 <noobmonk3y> i work for the health service, even funnier tbh
May 10 19:11:21 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
May 10 19:11:22 <noobmonk3y> tis only a bump :P - i'll still be as strange as i was before!
May 10 19:11:34 <DocScrutinizer> damn
May 10 19:11:38 <noobmonk3y> :D
May 10 19:12:24 <noobmonk3y> lcuk,  - liked the liq maemo pythony stuff :P
May 10 19:12:59 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, it needs to be faster
May 10 19:13:06 <noobmonk3y> lol bubbles or knightider?
May 10 19:13:17 <lcuk> bubbles
May 10 19:13:22 <noobmonk3y> mind if i use the knightrider as a keyboard light test? :D
May 10 19:13:25 <lcuk> algo is really slow with lots of bubbles
May 10 19:13:28 * RST38h moos
May 10 19:13:31 <RST38h> lcuk
May 10 19:13:32 * noobmonk3y baa's
May 10 19:13:32 <lcuk> it does
May 10 19:13:38 <lcuk> noobmonk3y, also during bubbles
May 10 19:13:42 <DocScrutinizer> damn, the hostmode thread stalled completely - WTF?
May 10 19:13:44 <lcuk> if you press keys
May 10 19:13:49 <lcuk> the light underneath is on
May 10 19:13:51 <DocScrutinizer> monday?
May 10 19:13:55 * noobmonk3y will go lookie
May 10 19:14:06 <lcuk> it also effects the bubble sizes
May 10 19:14:13 <lcuk> left hand side the bubbles grow
May 10 19:14:17 <lcuk> right they shrink
May 10 19:14:25 <noobmonk3y> lol forgot you need to be root to run it :|
May 10 19:15:10 <lcuk> yes thats a drawback to any mechanism
May 10 19:15:30 <noobmonk3y> meh, tried avoiding needing root in healthcheck :(
May 10 19:15:31 <lcuk> MohammadAG has opened a thread on tmo with the keyboard stuff
May 10 19:15:34 <lcuk> yeah
May 10 19:15:36 <noobmonk3y> :D :D
May 10 19:15:37 <lcuk> good idea
May 10 19:16:08 <frals> noobmonk3y: can add the shellscript to sudoers :P
May 10 19:16:16 <frals> noobmonk3y: tis what i do in fmms anyway ;o
May 10 19:16:30 <noobmonk3y> frals, yeah seen other peoples example - it so far has just confused me
May 10 19:16:38 <noobmonk3y> and removes the "test easily and quickly" aspect of h/c :P
May 10 19:16:55 <noobmonk3y> i suppose i just dont quite understand how it works
May 10 19:17:12 <frals> adding 1 file and 1 line to that file in installscript doesnt make hc any harder to use? :P
May 10 19:17:34 <frals> guess you have to update-sudoers in postinst/rm as well
May 10 19:18:08 <noobmonk3y> lol :P that kinda stuff just confuses me
May 10 19:18:21 <noobmonk3y> i spose cos i use khertans py2deb
May 10 19:18:25 <noobmonk3y> i have never seen those files
May 10 19:18:35 <noobmonk3y> or i assume that is why i have never seen them
May 10 19:18:47 <frals> fmms package has the sudoers file, can just rip it and change name :P
May 10 19:18:50 <noobmonk3y> ooo think i have figured out the h/c looping now too
May 10 19:19:03 <MohammadAG> oh noobmonk3y is alive
May 10 19:19:08 * noobmonk3y waves
May 10 19:19:10 <noobmonk3y> only just Mo
May 10 19:19:11 <MohammadAG> thought you farted yourself to death
May 10 19:19:17 <noobmonk3y> got a bruise the size of an apple on my forehead
May 10 19:19:18 * MohammadAG waves back
May 10 19:19:27 * DocScrutinizer wonders if you can mount /sys with acl suport
May 10 19:19:41 <DocScrutinizer> prolly not ;-P
May 10 19:19:43 <noobmonk3y> :P
May 10 19:20:58 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, iPhones do that to you too
May 10 19:21:02 <MohammadAG> wow hude lag
May 10 19:21:05 <noobmonk3y> lol MohammadAG !
May 10 19:21:08 <noobmonk3y> yupper
May 10 19:21:08 <noobmonk3y> s
May 10 19:21:14 <wall[e]> after a reflash, my flickr sharing still crash controlpanel
May 10 19:21:24 <noobmonk3y> :| flashed emmc too?
May 10 19:21:32 <wall[e]> no
May 10 19:21:35 <noobmonk3y> :D
May 10 19:21:40 <DocScrutinizer> what for?
May 10 19:22:30 <MohammadAG> did you purge the plugin?
May 10 19:22:36 * wall[e] is going to strace and delete everything open under /home/user
May 10 19:22:41 <DocScrutinizer> that's a better idea
May 10 19:22:48 <wall[e]> I did purge before I reflash
May 10 19:22:57 * noobmonk3y hmmmmmm's
May 10 19:23:20 <wall[e]> flash didn't format?
May 10 19:23:35 <noobmonk3y> frals, removing the cellular stuff and gps fixes the healthcheck memory load stuff...... :| hmmmmmmm
May 10 19:23:41 * noobmonk3y blinks
May 10 19:23:49 <DocScrutinizer> skim ~user/.* and remove suspicious stuff ($suspicious = lsof -p `pidof plugin`)
May 10 19:24:36 <DocScrutinizer> noobmonk3y: don't blink, it might hurt
May 10 19:24:43 <noobmonk3y> hehehe
May 10 19:26:28 <wall[e]> skim?
May 10 19:27:17 <MohammadAG> milk
May 10 19:28:03 <noobmonk3y> so....... did i miss Pr1.3 while i was gone ;) ? hehe
May 10 19:29:31 <frals> noobmonk3y: the problem with h/c not closing i had is because you attach to gobject.MainLoop() (http://gitorious.org/healthcheck/healthcheck/blobs/master/healthcheck.py#line746) but if i decline to let the app use gps it seems it doesnt send any of the signals you listen to, hence the loop will never quit
May 10 19:29:47 <MohammadAG> someone's spamming devel with test debs...
May 10 19:29:58 <MohammadAG> testdeb1 testdeb2 testdeb3
May 10 19:30:00 <noobmonk3y> ahaaaaaaaaaa
May 10 19:30:16 <MohammadAG> s/testdeb/debtest
May 10 19:30:29 <frals> noobmonk3y: so it needs sanity check to see if you have access to the gps or not ;-)
May 10 19:30:32 <noobmonk3y> ~ping MohammadAG
May 10 19:31:04 <noobmonk3y> frals, doesn't it just mean i'm not closing the loop?
May 10 19:31:09 <noobmonk3y> or waiting for it anyway
May 10 19:31:20 * MohammadAG pongs
May 10 19:31:21 <frals> yes you dont close the loop
May 10 19:31:27 <frals> so your program is running forever
May 10 19:31:35 * noobmonk3y needs to figure out how to close it :P
May 10 19:32:03 <noobmonk3y> checking value of loop on exit - if true - run data.quit()
May 10 19:32:06 <noobmonk3y> maybe?
May 10 19:32:34 <frals> yeah just do .quit() on the loop
May 10 19:32:44 <ruskie> hmm I have a few shortcuts that just run a cli app... don't care for the output or so... but each time I launch it it strats up a fullscreen window for a few seconds and then closes it... nothing in it
May 10 19:33:12 <frals> quick way to fix it would be to make the loop a variable in the object instead of local so you can just do loop.quit() when user is closing the app
May 10 19:33:44 * noobmonk3y will brb 2 secs - shower, then will concentrate on hc
May 10 19:33:56 * frals goes back to setting up his server
May 10 19:36:23 <wall[e]> hmmm i think controlpanel will talk to something over dbus
May 10 19:36:37 <wall[e]> so deleting any strace file woultn' work
May 10 19:37:39 <SpeedEvil> Fuskie: look at queen beecon
May 10 19:37:40 <SpeedEvil> ruskie:
May 10 19:37:49 <SpeedEvil> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/queen-beecon/0.1.4/
May 10 19:38:21 <wall[e]> ~bug 10089
May 10 19:38:22 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10089 Cannot create Flickr sharing account: "Internal error. Application 'Settings' closed."
May 10 19:38:23 <tybollt> lala?
May 10 19:38:40 <ruskie> SpeedEvil, hmm why are you suggesting that?
May 10 19:38:51 <wall[e]> nothing looks like a solution :S
May 10 19:39:51 <ruskie> SpeedEvil, hmm it is an option true... but I would prefer to just have normal shortcuts
May 10 19:40:36 <wall[e]> anyone here using qt ecma script binding?
May 10 19:41:00 * wall[e] wants to stay away from py
May 10 19:41:37 <anger_> hi
May 10 19:41:56 <anger_> i have some problems with sync with exchange
May 10 19:42:06 <anger_> I believe it's a certificate issue
May 10 19:42:29 <wall[e]> i think so many people have that problem
May 10 19:42:38 <wall[e]> sync is buggy
May 10 19:42:47 <wall[e]> any improvement in hk version?
May 10 19:43:01 <anger_> yeah, noticed from the discussions
May 10 19:43:44 <anger_> our exchange server seems to have GlobalSign Root CA which is different from the one that is shipped with n900...
May 10 19:43:46 <wall[e]> i goes with enminig something
May 10 19:43:50 <wall[e]> for calendar
May 10 19:43:55 <wall[e]> google calendar
May 10 19:44:03 <wall[e]> ok
May 10 19:45:29 <anger_> I see from the logs that curl is exiting with status 51...
May 10 19:46:08 <anger_> which is CURLE_PEER_FAILED_VERIFICATION
May 10 19:46:27 <anger_> but I suppose there isn't anything I can do for thi`s?
May 10 19:46:32 <wall[e]> oh, reread that bug  his twitpic solve it
May 10 19:46:57 <anger_> ??
May 10 19:47:16 <wall[e]> (bug 10089)
May 10 19:47:18 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10089 Cannot create Flickr sharing account: "Internal error. Application 'Settings' closed."
May 10 19:49:56 <frals> hrhr, copied the sysinfo.pl which i run on my servers to my n900 and it worked almost perfectly ;D
May 10 19:50:09 <Cabletwitch> Evening.
May 10 19:52:22 <Cabletwitch> I've been pondering this phantom file issue of mine... the fact that nothing shows up in the file manager should mean there are no rogue files, right?
May 10 19:53:22 <Cabletwitch> So the issue is with whatever list the media player keeps of various files it finds. Only even doing that hard reset doesnt seem to sorting itself out.
May 10 19:53:29 <SpeedEvil> rogue files?
May 10 19:53:43 <SpeedEvil> The media player keeps no list
May 10 19:53:49 <SpeedEvil> It's the tracker that does that
May 10 19:53:50 <Cabletwitch> The 5000-odd media files it belives are still there.
May 10 19:54:09 <SpeedEvil> delete ~/cache/tracker/* (IIRC)
May 10 19:54:25 <SpeedEvil> There is probably a 'right' way to do this
May 10 19:54:55 <Cabletwitch> Ok, then my next question... how does one delete something in the command line?
May 10 19:55:21 <Cabletwitch> Right now, the 'right' way is anything that'll work :O)
May 10 19:56:01 <ShadowJK> iiec the proper way is 'tracker-processes -r'
May 10 19:56:07 <ShadowJK> iirc*
May 10 19:56:20 <SpeedEvil> install rootsh
May 10 19:56:33 <SpeedEvil> actually - just terminal will do, as the files are owned by user
May 10 19:56:35 <ShadowJK> I did it that way, it took hours to reindex and thumbnail all the video again :)
May 10 19:56:36 <Cabletwitch> MohammedAG mentiond the --hard-reset, which I've tried.
May 10 19:56:57 <chadi> Doesn't anyone want to use skype via proxy, or can confirm that this really does not work? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10062
May 10 19:56:57 <povbot> Bug 10062: Skype doesn't use network connection proxy settings
May 10 19:57:02 <Cabletwitch> Not tried just -r though.
May 10 19:58:17 <Cabletwitch> Hmm, same results as the hard reset. Although it does mention in both cases some missing files.
May 10 19:59:21 <johnsq> Hi
May 10 19:59:24 <Cabletwitch> No good, its still listing the phantom files.
May 10 19:59:35 <noobmonk3y> brb
May 10 20:00:14 * timeless_mbp sighs
May 10 20:00:27 <timeless_mbp> MfE doesn't quite get proxy exceptions right
May 10 20:00:35 * timeless_mbp needs to file a bug
May 10 20:02:37 * Cabletwitch bangs his head gently on the desk
May 10 20:04:47 <Cabletwitch> The user space is seperte from where the filesystem is kept, right?
May 10 20:04:51 <frals> ~curse random users
May 10 20:05:08 <frals> awesome, someone voted fmms down and didnt even say why
May 10 20:05:09 <frals> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fmms/1.0.3/
May 10 20:05:12 <frals> \o/
May 10 20:05:24 <Cabletwitch> So if all else fails, I could format the damn thing and just shove what I need back on?
May 10 20:06:06 <anger_> frals: you working with fmms?
May 10 20:06:26 <frals> yes
May 10 20:06:30 <anger_> should it work when I use wlan?
May 10 20:06:30 <Cabletwitch> Or I could xray the bloody thing and laugh manicly.
May 10 20:06:51 <anger_> haven't found the right settings yet...
May 10 20:06:51 <frals> unless you use havoc mode, no
May 10 20:07:45 <lcuk> Cabletwitch, n900 xrays pictures are on talk.maemo.org
May 10 20:07:47 <anger_> have to try it again
May 10 20:08:34 <Cabletwitch> lcuk: I'm on about xraying it until its melting. Might not make the problem go away though.
May 10 20:09:35 <frals> anger_: connect manually to the MMS APN before sending and it should work, granted settings are correct
May 10 20:09:46 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: hello Mr Ian Stirling ;-)
May 10 20:10:04 <Cabletwitch> Eh, too tired to think more about this right now.
May 10 20:10:20 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: http://www.mwkn.net/2010/19/download.html
May 10 20:11:03 <SpeedEvil> Oh - right.
May 10 20:11:27 <SpeedEvil> I'd been wondering wehre the blog reference had come from - that makes sense.
May 10 20:14:27 <GAN900> lol
May 10 20:15:54 <alterego> Just two more stages to do ..
May 10 20:23:00 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: For future reference - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Polar-Bears-Ian-Stirling/dp/047208108X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273522955&sr=8-1 I did not write this.
May 10 20:23:17 <SpeedEvil> (though I did once get an offer to go on a polar exploration trip by someone who thought I did)
May 10 20:23:37 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 10 20:23:44 <DocScrutinizer> not interested?
May 10 20:24:15 <anger_> frals: will have to test it later, will ask you again if there are still problems :)
May 10 20:24:33 <SpeedEvil> Well - There was the whole not actually knowing anything about polar bears that was a bit of a problem.
May 10 20:24:34 <frals> alright :)
May 10 20:25:29 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: there seems just one thing you need to know: keep out of reach of their teeth :-P
May 10 20:26:00 <timeless_mbp> Jaffa / GeneralAntilles: we've mentioned instances of mirophones and micorophones, right?
May 10 20:26:16 <timeless_mbp> recently i encountered an instance of microhones in the wild :o
May 10 20:27:29 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Anyway - they are all vegetarians. http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41906000/jpg/_41906050_polarbear_416_ap.jpg
May 10 20:27:37 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: if only those polar bears were living near equator rather than pole XP
May 10 20:28:17 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, technology just keeps having to invent new words for all of its cool stuff, I suppose.
May 10 20:28:41 * timeless_mbp nods
May 10 20:28:43 * DocScrutinizer wonders who's editor of mwkn
May 10 20:29:23 <frals> DocScrutinizer: jaffa/gan
May 10 20:29:32 <frals> according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Weekly_News ;)
May 10 20:29:37 <DocScrutinizer> tzz
May 10 20:30:04 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
May 10 20:31:58 <tybollt> pr
May 10 20:32:07 <tybollt> \o/
May 10 20:35:28 <lcuk> question: does mplayer work in portrait using its xv driver?
May 10 20:40:53 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, you raaang? :P
May 10 20:42:05 <tybollt> dang, you rang
May 10 20:44:13 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: I did?
May 10 20:44:28 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, mwkn editors.
May 10 20:45:03 * DocScrutinizer sending the 519 groupies crowing down the pavement to GAN900
May 10 20:47:02 <DocScrutinizer> funny part I polished my tmo/garage-profile a lil bit today
May 10 20:50:17 <Macer> is it me or does a tmob smartphone plan seem to have less lag than an android plan?
May 10 20:50:34 <mikki-kun> hm, how do i actually install local .deb's if i have em?
May 10 20:50:53 <Macer> dpkg -i foo.deb
May 10 20:51:01 <mikki-kun> thanks :)
May 10 21:02:47 <DocScrutinizer> since the days when red pill vanished
May 10 21:03:00 <DocScrutinizer> a pity
May 10 21:03:20 <DocScrutinizer> geeks *love* easter eggs
May 10 21:04:23 <d14> :)
May 10 21:04:25 * DocScrutinizer starts a tmo thread "1.2 been there since February - you just need the secret code to enable it"
May 10 21:04:25 <TomaszD> DocScrutinizer, you do know red pill vanished because it would show category user/hidden packages, essentially Ovi Store content
May 10 21:04:27 <TomaszD> :)
May 10 21:05:14 <Stskeeps> stupidest 'protection' -ever-
May 10 21:05:17 <Macer> haha
May 10 21:05:32 <Macer> Stskeeps: ?
May 10 21:05:42 <Stskeeps> user/hidden
May 10 21:05:45 <Macer> cmon! red pill was great haha
May 10 21:05:53 <MohammadAG> <TomaszD> DocScrutinizer, you do know red pill vanished because it would show category user/hidden packages, essentially Ovi Store content
May 10 21:05:53 <DocScrutinizer> '''''''''''''''protection'''''''''''''''
May 10 21:06:02 <MohammadAG> do an apt-get install (ovistoreapp)
May 10 21:06:08 <TomaszD> it won't work
May 10 21:06:15 <TomaszD> apt-worker gets killed
May 10 21:06:17 <MohammadAG> until...
May 10 21:06:19 <MohammadAG> nope
May 10 21:06:25 <Macer> hahaha
May 10 21:06:29 <MohammadAG> s/until/unless
May 10 21:06:33 <hawai`i> It's a downstream apt patch
May 10 21:06:40 <MohammadAG> and....
May 10 21:06:42 <Stskeeps> TomaszD: nah, worse, .. there's a patch to disallow user/hidden in apt
May 10 21:06:46 <MohammadAG> the old source is maemo.org
May 10 21:06:50 <Macer> Stskeeps: wtf.. so does that mean no red pill in mer?!
May 10 21:06:51 <hawai`i> It's easily "reversed"
May 10 21:06:55 <MohammadAG> just build a package and downgrade with a fake number
May 10 21:07:00 <hawai`i> MohammadAG, precisely.
May 10 21:07:02 <MohammadAG> which I've done :)
May 10 21:07:08 <MohammadAG> can't bother with ovi
May 10 21:07:24 <MohammadAG> pinned apt in /etc/apt/preferences
May 10 21:07:43 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm yummy, gimme binary!
May 10 21:07:56 <TomaszD> there is no interesting content to even bother doing all this
May 10 21:07:59 <MohammadAG> seriously? sec :P
May 10 21:08:15 <MohammadAG> TomaszD, true, but I'd avoid HAM whenever i can
May 10 21:08:36 <hawai`i> TomaszD: nothing interesting, but it's not conducive to the point of Ovi Store
May 10 21:08:38 <TomaszD> the biggest bonus for me would be to avoid the atrocious ovi web interface
May 10 21:08:50 <MohammadAG> http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/apt_0.7.20.2maemo13-0m5_armel.deb
May 10 21:09:19 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, ^
May 10 21:09:26 <tybollt> Exactly
May 10 21:09:40 <tybollt> is there anything worth even a canned fart in Ovi Store?
May 10 21:09:47 <MohammadAG> you'll need to pin apt though
May 10 21:09:52 <MohammadAG> nope
May 10 21:10:02 <MohammadAG> but i restore my installs using apt-get
May 10 21:10:09 <MohammadAG> (not the backup app)
May 10 21:10:31 <hawai`i> pin apt?
May 10 21:10:47 <hawai`i> Hold it through dpkg --set-selections
May 10 21:10:48 * tybollt farts in a can and hands the can to MohammadAG 
May 10 21:10:58 <DocScrutinizer> hawai`i: that's voodoo, you know ;-P
May 10 21:11:01 <Macer> is cups in dev?
May 10 21:11:11 <Macer> i want cups! :)
May 10 21:11:16 <hawai`i> Macer: nope
May 10 21:11:25 <Macer> damn :(
May 10 21:11:33 <MohammadAG> hawai`i, can't bother to read more documentation :)
May 10 21:11:36 * DocScrutinizer pins hawai`i
May 10 21:11:40 * tybollt hands Macer 2cups1grl
May 10 21:11:52 <Macer> heh
May 10 21:11:59 <hawai`i> DocScrutinizer: it's not wrestling! it's aggresive cuddling.
May 10 21:12:18 <Macer> i want to print from easydeb's openoffice :(
May 10 21:13:10 <DocScrutinizer> I want win7 in a virtual machine
May 10 21:13:13 <Shapeshifter> Macer: print to pdf, print pdf somewhere else? thought true... the n900 needs cups
May 10 21:13:20 <Shapeshifter> I mean, printing from it isn't absurd
May 10 21:13:36 <MohammadAG> yeah...
May 10 21:13:42 <MohammadAG> now with host mode and all
May 10 21:13:53 * Shapeshifter puts it on list of packages to port
May 10 21:13:55 <MohammadAG> optified cups
May 10 21:14:30 <DocScrutinizer> please port hplip as well ;-D
May 10 21:14:33 <MohammadAG> WoL + SSH + Static IP = scratchbox OTG
May 10 21:14:38 <GAN900> TomaszD, only half the story.
May 10 21:14:43 <GAN900> TomaszD, and the latter half.
May 10 21:14:43 <Shapeshifter> DocScrutinizer: are those the hp drivers?
May 10 21:14:50 <DocScrutinizer> yep - lol
May 10 21:14:56 <tybollt> MohammadAG: host mode? o_O
May 10 21:15:00 * MohammadAG seconds the request
May 10 21:15:05 <Shapeshifter> meh. I have on my list: cups, urxvt, zsh and curl (with binary)
May 10 21:15:09 <MohammadAG> ~hostmode
May 10 21:15:11 <GAN900> TomaszD, mostly it was removed because we had a discussion and decided it caused way more problems than it was worth.
May 10 21:15:12 <Macer> Shapeshifter: for that i can just print somewhere else in openoffice ;)
May 10 21:15:17 <MohammadAG> someone needs to update factoids
May 10 21:15:18 <Macer> why print to pdf?
May 10 21:15:24 <Macer> that's redundant heh
May 10 21:15:25 <GAN900> So it was community consensus that got it killed.
May 10 21:15:36 <tybollt> MohammadAG: does it work now?
May 10 21:15:56 <DocScrutinizer> someone needs to give infobot a good kick
May 10 21:16:19 <MohammadAG> infobot, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=652330
May 10 21:16:19 <infobot> okay, MohammadAG
May 10 21:16:29 <MohammadAG> infobot, forget hostmode
May 10 21:16:29 <infobot> i forgot hostmode, MohammadAG
May 10 21:16:36 <tybollt> GAN900: for pre N900 release definitions of "community" then?
May 10 21:16:38 <Macer> haha
May 10 21:17:16 <MohammadAG> infobot, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=652330
May 10 21:17:16 <infobot> okay, MohammadAG
May 10 21:17:19 <hawai`i> Shapeshifter: cURL isn't done?!
May 10 21:18:15 <jaem> Hello, #maemo
May 10 21:18:17 <MohammadAG> breaking mp-fremantle-generic-pr is like breaking virg....
May 10 21:18:23 <MohammadAG> version numbers, yeah, that
May 10 21:18:28 <GAN900> tybollt, no.
May 10 21:18:39 <MohammadAG> hi jaem
May 10 21:18:49 <GAN900> tybollt, for about the end of 2009 definition of discussion on maemo-developers. :)
May 10 21:19:00 <hawai`i> <~ Simon BTW, MohammadAG:
May 10 21:19:08 <MohammadAG> LOL i know ;)
May 10 21:19:19 <MohammadAG> SimorLR
May 10 21:20:04 <hawai`i> Shaddap mister know it all.
May 10 21:20:35 <tybollt> GAN900: booo
May 10 21:20:38 <tybollt> ok
May 10 21:20:38 * MohammadAG cries in the corner
May 10 21:21:01 <GAN900> tybollt, boo at what?
May 10 21:21:18 * hawai`i paints MohammadAG into a corner
May 10 21:21:35 * MohammadAG flashes a corrupt NOLO and hits hawai`i with a brick
May 10 21:21:51 * MohammadAG ships the brick to DocScrutinizer 
May 10 21:21:54 <GAN900> tybollt, having an open community discussion to remove a feature of dubious usefulness that mostly serves to harm users?
May 10 21:21:59 <tybollt> Uhm are nokia indeed releasing an adaptor cable for OTG on the N8?
May 10 21:22:08 <GAN900> Clearly, you can't please anybody.
May 10 21:22:08 <MohammadAG> yes, in box
May 10 21:22:10 <hawai`i> tybollt: ships with one in the box.
May 10 21:22:19 <MohammadAG> ha! beat you to it
May 10 21:22:30 <jaem> In the Fremantle SBox shell, the SBOX_UNAME_MACHINE env variable changes depending on the target, from what I can see. What I'm wanting to do (for convenience, not general use) is to have my QMake project files use the correct architecture of libraries, which are stored in appropriately-named subdirectories.
May 10 21:22:35 <hawai`i> I'll beat you
May 10 21:22:36 <tybollt> Was the argument NOT that shipping such adaptor voids USB certification?
May 10 21:22:42 <tybollt> WHAT IN THE FUCKING FUCK NOKIA?
May 10 21:22:44 <jaem> Is there a better way to do that, either in SBox or QMake itself?
May 10 21:22:54 * MohammadAG hits hawai`i with a ton of bricks
May 10 21:23:12 * MohammadAG sees hawai`i immobilized, so he gets out his Javelin
May 10 21:23:33 <GAN900> tybollt, er?
May 10 21:23:51 <GAN900> tybollt, the argument was that Red Pill should be removed from h-a-m
May 10 21:24:11 <tybollt> GAN900: I clearly do not agree with you. But I will agree to disagree :)
May 10 21:24:24 <tybollt> GAN900: red pill was (IMHO) certainly very much usefull
May 10 21:24:39 <MohammadAG> blue pill otoh...
May 10 21:24:46 <GAN900> tybollt, the issue with USB certification had to do with port selection and hardware issues.
May 10 21:24:53 <GAN900> tybollt, then you're doing it wrong.
May 10 21:25:16 <GAN900> Red Pill was never more useful than apt-get.
May 10 21:25:30 <jaem> Out of curiousity, has anyone been working on a third-party apt (GUI) frontend?  HAM is fine, and certainly more consumer-friendly than some, but the lack of things like queueing annoys me a bit.
May 10 21:25:42 <jaem> I can use apt-get, but sometimes pointy-clicky is nicer.
May 10 21:25:48 <GAN900> and quite a bit less when you're someone who has to play "Help the user fix their Red Pill-begotten problems". :)
May 10 21:25:49 <tybollt> GAN900: is HW different on N8 then?
May 10 21:25:56 <GAN900> tybollt, clearly.
May 10 21:26:11 <dmj726> I'd like a package management gui with screenshots and such
May 10 21:26:16 <tybollt> meh
May 10 21:26:18 <tybollt> :)
May 10 21:26:22 <jaem> dmj726, there were discussions about things like that.
May 10 21:26:37 <tybollt> then why are people bringing that up?
May 10 21:26:40 <GAN900> jaem / dmb, danielwilms is working on app downloader.
May 10 21:26:43 <jaem> And there is an app in -devel that has some fanciness like that, but IIRC it doesn't have installation ability
May 10 21:26:45 <dmj726> I'd probably have more apps if I could find out more about them first
May 10 21:27:02 <GAN900> dmj726, http://downloads.maemo.org
May 10 21:27:02 <jaem> GAN900, oh right, I've heard of that.  Any idea how it's coming along?
May 10 21:27:28 <jaem> ...off the top of your head, I mean - I can go look it up later.
May 10 21:27:30 <zlimvos> sup all, in order to make my n900 ssh server to work i indeed need to create key files on my own right?
May 10 21:27:35 <dmj726> I've been there...I just often am browsing through the list on my phone.
May 10 21:28:07 <tybollt> GAN900: Again, it may be a matter of taste, dpkg and apt are there so I guess it's not critical and it doesn't lock users in, but still :)
May 10 21:28:10 <FIQ> Would N900 be able to boot in a live SD session?
May 10 21:28:19 <FIQ> w/a bootloader ofc
May 10 21:28:35 <jaem> FIQ, do you mean just normal booting from a card, as with the N8x0?
May 10 21:28:42 <GAN900> jaem, slowly
May 10 21:28:59 <FIQ> like that i guess
May 10 21:29:03 <GAN900> tybollt, well, if you don't like it, put the patch back in, package your own or create a replacement.
May 10 21:29:06 <Macer> GO KICK SOME BRITISH ASS WILLIAM WALLICE!
May 10 21:29:10 <Macer> oops
May 10 21:29:14 <GAN900> That's why it's open source.
May 10 21:29:18 <FIQ> uhm
May 10 21:29:39 <tybollt> GAN900: and that's why you will call me a lousy whiner, cause that is what I am :)
May 10 21:29:50 <jaem> Macer, heh... that reminded me of my high school days, when I thought that playing that scene's audio on my TI-83 with headphones was pretty cool.  *strokes his N900 and smiles*
May 10 21:30:06 <jaem> Sorry, 83+.  1-bit audio FTW!
May 10 21:30:16 <Macer> jaem: ?
May 10 21:30:23 <Macer> i'm watching braveheart :)
May 10 21:31:05 <jaem> Macer, yes, and someone hacked the 83+ (digital) link port to play audio.  One of the demos was the epic speech from Braveheart.
May 10 21:31:28 <jaem> You just had to plug in a 2.5mm->3.5mm phone plug adapter to the link port, and then plug in headphones
May 10 21:32:48 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, attack attack attack!
May 10 21:33:27 <DocScrutinizer> err huh?
May 10 21:33:43 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil1 joined... :p
May 10 21:34:10 <andyfrommk> exit
May 10 21:34:16 <andyfrommk> whoops
May 10 21:34:16 <MohammadAG> /
May 10 21:34:30 <andyfrommk> shoulda typed
May 10 21:34:31 <jaem> andyfrommk, there is no escape from #maemo
May 10 21:34:39 <jaem> even backslashes don't work ;)
May 10 21:34:44 <MohammadAG> there's a channel for that...
May 10 21:34:51 <Macer> jaem: haha
May 10 21:34:57 <MohammadAG> I *think* it's #itsatrap
May 10 21:34:59 <MohammadAG> I think..
May 10 21:35:04 <MohammadAG> not sure if it's freenode
May 10 21:35:09 <MohammadAG> +on
May 10 21:35:26 <DocScrutinizer> jaem: 1bit PWM?
May 10 21:35:36 <DocScrutinizer> or ADPCM
May 10 21:35:55 <jaem> DocScrutinizer, I wasn't knowledgeable enough back then to actually read the code (I think it was ASM), so I don't know.
May 10 21:36:20 <jaem> If you give me a few, I'll see if I can get you the link, but it's probably on ticalc.org's download pages somewhere.
May 10 21:36:38 <DocScrutinizer> prolly PCM
May 10 21:36:53 <MohammadAG> http://rizon.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=824
May 10 21:37:15 <MohammadAG> #DontJoinItsATrap it keep forcing you to join after partitng, not here it seems
May 10 21:37:28 <jaem> It was pretty terrible quality, but that I could recognize the voices after seeing the movie once, months before, and that's running on a 6MHz (?) Z80 caclulator. Heh.
May 10 21:39:29 <BCMM> what does one use to record audio in an n900?
May 10 21:39:40 <jaem> BCMM, the microphone?
May 10 21:40:00 <jaem> Seriously, though, do you mean as a voice recorder, or for calls/streaming/whatever?
May 10 21:40:28 <BCMM> jaem: i mean software, to record audio to disk
May 10 21:40:30 <DocScrutinizer> jaem: done this on my first selfbuilt z80 'computer'
May 10 21:40:52 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: There is 'recorder' or something like that in the repos
May 10 21:41:00 <jaem> SpeedEvil, thanks, I forgot the name.
May 10 21:41:03 <BCMM> jaem: for use as a ringtone or as a note to yourself or because you heard a weird noise and wanted to analyse its spectrum when you get home or whatever
May 10 21:41:08 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: thanks
May 10 21:41:13 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: recorder
May 10 21:41:32 <DocScrutinizer> ahh SpeedEvil beat me
May 10 21:42:54 <pupnik> how do you record and overdub a few tracks through
May 10 21:47:32 <tybollt> whom do I ask for a braindead fanboi filter on tmo?
May 10 21:48:16 <jaem> tybollt, GAN900, who then gets annoyed at tyou. :)
May 10 21:48:29 <pupnik> i was going to say, can't you delete your own account?
May 10 21:48:34 <pupnik> (joke! joke!)
May 10 21:48:58 <Xisdibik> DocScrutinizer: theres a reason Speed is in his name ;)
May 10 21:49:04 <pupnik> it would be nice to be able to ignore certain users.  -- it is so hard to not be mean and angry
May 10 21:49:13 <Xisdibik> DocScrutinizer: makes you wonder about the second half of SpeedEvil's name too ;)
May 10 21:49:56 <SpeedEvil> It initially came from a competition on a MUD - where several times, I answered a question before it had been asked.
May 10 21:50:17 <SpeedEvil> Whcih was more to do with the fact that the quizmaster was rather predictable.
May 10 21:50:30 <Xisdibik> SpeedEvil: in this mud, were you Lawful Evil, or Chaotic Evil, or Neutral Evil?
May 10 21:50:33 <tybollt> mud? oh dear...
May 10 21:50:34 <pupnik> ahh no finland beat germany in hockey tonight
May 10 21:50:44 <tybollt> so?
May 10 21:51:05 <tybollt> finland got entirely butfucked by Denmark in hockey the other night
May 10 21:51:25 <Xisdibik> tybollt: that must have been alot of "buts"
May 10 21:51:51 <tybollt> buttfucked too, yes :)
May 10 21:52:00 <Xisdibik> but are you sure? ;)
May 10 21:52:25 <tybollt> anyway it was the most misserable performance in hockey history - by Finland :)
May 10 21:52:42 <SpeedEvil> Xisdibik: IIRC it diddn't really do alignment.
May 10 21:52:43 <Xisdibik> AKA, nothing topping America probably :P
May 10 21:52:47 <SpeedEvil> It's been a while though.
May 10 21:52:52 <Xisdibik> SpeedEvil: then where is the evil part of your name from ;)
May 10 21:53:52 * SpeedEvil is really an ex-assasin.
May 10 21:54:05 <Xisdibik> assassins arnt neccessarily evil :p
May 10 21:54:20 <Xisdibik> many were doing "good" by eliminating "evil" :P
May 10 21:55:02 <jaem> Welcome to #moral-philosophy
May 10 21:55:26 <SpeedEvil> I know. Then there was the incident with the puppies, and the candy factory, and it kind of stuck.
May 10 21:56:29 <Xisdibik> haha ok
May 10 22:01:36 <omar> i'm using find . | grep jpg | xargs rm to try to recursively delete all jpgs from a certain folder but since the file names/directories have spaces it won't work. xargs -0 doesn't work either. what should i do? :)
May 10 22:02:22 <Robot101> find . -iname \*.jpg -print0 | xargs -0 rm
May 10 22:02:38 <omar> the xargs -0 switch doesn't work on the n900
May 10 22:02:50 <omar> just gives you a usage error
May 10 22:02:52 <SpeedEvil> install gnu find
May 10 22:02:55 <SpeedEvil> and the utils
May 10 22:03:12 <SpeedEvil> or rm */*jpg */*/*jpg ...
May 10 22:03:14 <DocScrutinizer> lo Robot101
May 10 22:03:34 <hawai`i> omar: are you essentially trying to keep things out of the Gallery?
May 10 22:04:19 <omar> hawai`i, no my album art is screwed up, for just about every single album i have the same stupid jpg shown
May 10 22:04:30 <omar> SpeedEvil, i have the findutils installed already
May 10 22:04:44 <hawai`i> omar: ah. Yes.
May 10 22:05:15 <omar> i tried deleting that jpg manually but it was sitll showing for some reason so i'm just going to wipe them all out ;)
May 10 22:05:47 <omar> Nokia-N900-02-8:/home/user/MyDocs/.sounds# find . -print | grep jpg | xargs -0 ls
May 10 22:05:47 <omar> xargs: invalid option -- 0
May 10 22:05:47 <omar> BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) multi-call binary
May 10 22:05:47 <omar> Usage: xargs [OPTIONS] [COMMAND] [ARGS...]
May 10 22:05:49 <jaem> hawai`i, hmm... yeah, I had forgotten about the album art issue.  Did Nokia do anything about that specifically?  (I know you can fiddle with Tracker for the same effect, but I keep forgetting to do it)
May 10 22:06:06 <jaem> That's actually kind of a silly oversight.
May 10 22:06:42 <hawai`i> jaem: I don't believe so. It's a stupid problem - I store them in the tags, but I had to re-tag my entire collection - PITA.
May 10 22:07:17 <omar> i think i prepend/append quotes if i pipe the grep to awk but i don't know the expression to do so
May 10 22:09:01 <hawai`i> `find` doesn't have -f argument either.
May 10 22:09:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~nuke busybox
May 10 22:09:23 <DocScrutinizer> ~useless
May 10 22:09:23 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :(
May 10 22:09:26 <DocScrutinizer> ~die
May 10 22:09:26 * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.
May 10 22:09:35 <SpeedEvil> IIRC busybox awk will also not handle zeros
May 10 22:09:37 <hawai`i> ~breathe damnit!
May 10 22:09:47 <SpeedEvil> with gawk you can do gawk -v RS="
May 10 22:09:52 <SpeedEvil> \000"
May 10 22:10:31 <DocScrutinizer> apt-get install coreutils
May 10 22:10:42 <DocScrutinizer> apt-get install find-utils
May 10 22:10:57 <DocScrutinizer> apt-get install less
May 10 22:11:36 <hawai`i> how about...
May 10 22:11:52 <hawai`i> append -exec rm {} \;
May 10 22:12:20 <Arkenoi> if rumors about free root fs space are true we will be able to install non-optified gcc, make and stuff  there without any fatal consequences
May 10 22:12:35 <Arkenoi> (in pr1.2)
May 10 22:12:44 <DocScrutinizer> find doesn't know that either, err CRAPPYBOX
May 10 22:12:59 <hawai`i> symlink's are perfectly fine, Arkenoi. Why bother?
May 10 22:13:14 <omar> lol
May 10 22:13:37 <tybollt> Arkenoi: rumours? what rumours?
May 10 22:13:54 <SpeedEvil> Arkenoi: that's rather irrelevant
May 10 22:14:07 <SpeedEvil> Arkenoi: cp / /home/user
May 10 22:14:13 <SpeedEvil> cd /home/user/
May 10 22:14:17 <SpeedEvil> chroot . sh
May 10 22:14:21 <DocScrutinizer> aah yes - lol
May 10 22:14:24 <SpeedEvil> and that's fine for building stuff
May 10 22:14:33 <DocScrutinizer> ~optification
May 10 22:14:34 <infobot> i heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs
May 10 22:16:14 <DocScrutinizer> If we had a decent /usr  partition (and maybe a /var) we'd not need that crap
May 10 22:17:21 * DocScrutinizer thinks there's not a single devel at Nokia who knows how nix worked ~20 years ago
May 10 22:17:42 <hawai`i> Haha
May 10 22:17:45 <DocScrutinizer> they *knew* how to handle storage contrains back in the old days
May 10 22:18:23 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Indeed. All you need is a small deck of cards, of r booting using the rear cam.
May 10 22:18:52 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
May 10 22:19:02 * DocScrutinizer waves as well
May 10 22:19:07 <DocScrutinizer> ttyl
May 10 22:20:58 <jaem> DocScrutinizer, "back in MY day, I had to walk uphill to school BOTH ways"... :P
May 10 22:21:05 <jaem> I take your point, though...
May 10 22:23:16 <Macer> oh wtf
May 10 22:23:35 <Macer> i have a goddamn scratch on my screen!
May 10 22:23:38 <Macer> and i don't know how!
May 10 22:23:43 <Macer> i am always so careful with my phone
May 10 22:23:45 <jaem> Macer, :O
May 10 22:23:52 <Macer> it's not a bad one but still
May 10 22:23:59 <Macer> hm. i need to find a replacement part
May 10 22:24:06 <jaem> It must have been $mythical_mischevious_creature
May 10 22:24:11 <Macer> yeah
May 10 22:24:16 <jaem> I hate those
May 10 22:24:24 <Macer> there is a way to like... replace the top plastic part of the screen isn't there?
May 10 22:24:29 <tybollt> Macer: ket me know when you do.. I have a scratch too
May 10 22:24:34 <jaem> especially because it takes longer to write that than whatever string that expands to :P
May 10 22:24:35 <tybollt> same thing here
May 10 22:24:46 <tybollt> I had a P1i for several years - no scartcj
May 10 22:24:49 <jaem> Macer, I think so, but I've only heard hear-say
May 10 22:24:53 <jaem> and not much of it
May 10 22:24:54 <tybollt> this thing scartches w/in a coupla months
May 10 22:24:55 <Macer> heh
May 10 22:24:57 <Macer> well... let me see
May 10 22:25:00 <SpeedEvil> Macer: Adding a screen protector will often reduce the visibility of existing scratches
May 10 22:25:01 <Macer> it looks like something easy to replace
May 10 22:25:12 <Macer> SpeedEvil: i should have added one BEFORE the scratch
May 10 22:25:14 <SpeedEvil> Macer: The top part is not especially easy to replace.
May 10 22:25:16 <Macer> but i figured i'd be real safe with it
May 10 22:25:22 <Macer> SpeedEvil: seriously? that sucks
May 10 22:25:32 <Macer> it seem slke something that is easy to replace
May 10 22:25:38 <SpeedEvil> Macer: It's $50 or so IIRC - and requires doing something during which DocScrutinizer bricked his phone
May 10 22:25:39 <Macer> do you mean just finding the piece is hard?
May 10 22:25:43 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 10 22:25:51 <Macer> oh
May 10 22:25:56 <SpeedEvil> installing it is basically a complete dissasemble
May 10 22:25:59 <jaem> Macer, "easy" is not well-defined, anyway
May 10 22:26:03 <Macer> heh
May 10 22:26:16 <Macer> wow that totally sucks
May 10 22:26:29 <jaem> Is there anything you can get that can just smooth it over?
May 10 22:26:33 <Macer> just to replace a piece of front plastic is that serious?
May 10 22:26:39 <Macer> yeah it's not a bad scratch.. but i know it's there :)
May 10 22:26:43 <SpeedEvil> Macer: It's not the front piece of plastic.
May 10 22:26:54 <SpeedEvil> Macer: It's the front half of a touchscreen panel.
May 10 22:27:03 <Macer> oh
May 10 22:27:04 <Macer> :/
May 10 22:27:16 <omar> had to use this command find . -print | grep jpg | awk '{ print "\"" $0 "\""}' | xargs rm -f
May 10 22:27:17 <SpeedEvil> Macer: this has a front and a back half, some assorted electronic connections, and stuff.
May 10 22:27:22 <omar> hopefully that fixes my album art issue :)
May 10 22:27:52 <Macer> wow :(
May 10 22:27:53 <SpeedEvil> omar: or rm */*jpg */*/*jpg */*/*/jpg
May 10 22:27:53 <Macer> that suks
May 10 22:27:59 <Macer> let me see about getting a protector
May 10 22:28:17 <omar> didn't know i could do that SpeedEvil
May 10 22:28:42 <omar> but my album art still screwed up, where does it fetch these images?
May 10 22:28:42 <Macer> http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/nokia-n900-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php?s_kwcid=TC|9984|n900%20screen%20protector||S||4917990253&gclid=COn2gubOyKECFSVI5wodlk65dg
May 10 22:28:47 <Macer> wow. that's nice
May 10 22:29:04 <Macer> i think i am going to leave my phone at home and use my G1 til i get an invisible shield for it
May 10 22:32:14 <omar> i had a screen protector on mine and removed it cause it made the touchscreen pretty damn insensitive
May 10 22:32:26 <omar> and display wasn't very crisp
May 10 22:32:30 <omar> it was kind of thick though
May 10 22:34:59 <DocScrutinizer> FAIL! *why* I decided to have a short look - seems they start to talk about that IDIOTIC id-pin over and over and over again - OMFG
May 10 22:35:22 <DocScrutinizer> >:-(/
May 10 22:37:35 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=652405&postcount=815
May 10 22:37:51 * DocScrutinizer starts to cry
May 10 22:38:09 <MohammadAG_> LOL
May 10 22:40:04 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, it's easier if you imagine them all dying by fire.
May 10 22:40:19 <MohammadAG_> that's cruel
May 10 22:40:33 * MohammadAG_ imagines them burning in a fire
May 10 22:52:54 <omar> MohammadAG are you a muslim?
May 10 23:01:19 <ioan> hi. in a script, how do I test that the internet connection is over GPRS and then start a script?
May 10 23:01:30 <ioan> start another script
May 10 23:04:59 <Mace_N900> ugh. knowing i have a small scratch on my n900 is hurting me emotionally
May 10 23:05:01 <Mace_N900> lol
May 10 23:06:04 <Mace_N900> damn
May 10 23:06:08 <Mace_N900> gftp is broken
May 10 23:06:11 <Mace_N900> too bad
May 10 23:06:17 <Mace_N900> it wont scroll righgt
May 10 23:06:52 <MohammadAG_> relaunched as 2.0 http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php
May 10 23:06:57 <MohammadAG_> I wonder if it actually works now
May 10 23:08:20 <MohammadAG> omar, yeah
May 10 23:08:45 <Mace_N900> haha
May 10 23:09:22 <omar> salam alaykam then ;)
May 10 23:10:00 * MohammadAG_ replies using a notice
May 10 23:10:16 <MohammadAG_> Switch back to english, we don't want DocScrutinizer wondering wtf we're talking about :P
May 10 23:10:44 <Ken-Young> The Doctor knows all.
May 10 23:11:42 <omar> hehe
May 10 23:11:46 <omar> i don't know arabic to be honest
May 10 23:11:50 <omar> well not that much
May 10 23:11:55 <omar> not enough to speak to you in it;)
May 10 23:12:01 <DocScrutinizer> even more that that
May 10 23:13:34 <MohammadAG_> Ken-Young, we don't wanna lose another N900, you don't want to see DocScrutinizer when he's angry
May 10 23:13:46 <MohammadAG_> actually you do, he might get host mode fully working
May 10 23:14:17 <omar> how'd we lose the first n900?
May 10 23:14:19 <Ken-Young> I thought he was always angry - knowing that somewhere, someone is overclocking.
May 10 23:14:58 * omar hides
May 10 23:15:03 <MohammadAG_> someone made him angry
May 10 23:15:46 <Mace_N900> omg the avatar is a riot
May 10 23:18:59 <b-man> he turns green when he gets angry xD
May 10 23:19:33 <dAnIeLLL> Mace_N900 what irc client u r using?
May 10 23:19:45 <Mace_N900> xchat
May 10 23:20:23 <dAnIeLLL> hmm
May 10 23:20:27 <ManoftheSea> So, I'm starting to think that some of you are actually employees of Nokia or something.
May 10 23:21:09 <derf> Some people in here are.
May 10 23:21:36 <Mace_N900> hm
May 10 23:21:44 <ManoftheSea> That'd make sense and all, I don't know why I didn't consider it before.
May 10 23:22:10 <MohammadAG_> ManoftheSea, lol who made you think that
May 10 23:22:10 <Mace_N900> avatar is great (the cartoon)
May 10 23:22:58 <ManoftheSea> MohammadAG_: just a general feel.
May 10 23:23:07 <dAnIeLLL> some1 know any app for 3g data control?
May 10 23:23:09 <ManoftheSea> I mean, who'd do this out of love for a pen-testing phone?
May 10 23:23:10 <Mace_N900> youre wrong
May 10 23:23:21 <Mace_N900> nokians dont wander amongst the mortals
May 10 23:23:49 <dAnIeLLL> haha
May 10 23:23:58 <b-man> Mace_N900: i use to watch avatar all the time :)
May 10 23:24:00 <SpeedEvil> dAnIeLLL: Control - how?
May 10 23:24:10 <SpeedEvil> dAnIeLLL: there is 2g/3g switcher in extras
May 10 23:24:24 <Mace_N900> b-man, im watching it with my son
May 10 23:24:25 <ManoftheSea> If you have 3g, why would you want 2g?
May 10 23:24:29 <ManoftheSea> Just for the power difference?
May 10 23:24:33 <dAnIeLLL> no no
May 10 23:24:35 <Mace_N900> it cracks me up
May 10 23:24:42 <dAnIeLLL> control data
May 10 23:24:57 <dAnIeLLL> transfers
May 10 23:25:16 <DocScrutinizer51> 2g also has better latency
May 10 23:25:27 <ManoftheSea> oh.  Hmm.
May 10 23:25:51 <ManoftheSea> Do we know how accurate the GPS is?
May 10 23:26:05 <ManoftheSea> I don't know how such things are measured, but I was asked that.
May 10 23:26:35 <SpeedEvil> ManoftheSea: It is within the typical accuracy of GPSs
May 10 23:26:40 <SpeedEvil> +-4m seems about right
May 10 23:26:43 <liori> ManoftheSea: up to 1 meter, depends on weather and amount of satellites visible
May 10 23:26:46 <SpeedEvil> I haven't done any detailed tests
May 10 23:26:51 <ManoftheSea> ok.
May 10 23:26:52 <SpeedEvil> I really, really doubt 1m.
May 10 23:27:06 <ManoftheSea> Yeah, I don't really know what kind of accuracy they were expecting, either.
May 10 23:27:16 <ManoftheSea> The camera puts an exact number in the exif, yeah?
May 10 23:27:19 <liori> I've seen it in my freerunner, with crystal-clear sky
May 10 23:27:41 <SpeedEvil> ManoftheSea: Yes. Too exact. :/
May 10 23:27:57 <SpeedEvil> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584
May 10 23:27:57 <povbot> Bug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places)
May 10 23:28:01 <SpeedEvil> A nice round number.
May 10 23:28:49 <ManoftheSea> ok.
May 10 23:29:18 <ManoftheSea> Hey, I accept if you don't answer these questions... but do we know anything about kismet, airsnort, or using the wireless as an AP?
May 10 23:29:27 <ManoftheSea> I was reading something about only channel 6?
May 10 23:29:46 <ManoftheSea> But is there any functionality to replicate a "MiFi" like device?
May 10 23:29:57 <ManoftheSea> Not just single computer tethering.
May 10 23:30:01 <liori> ManoftheSea: I don't know about N900, but with Freerunner it was possible only with external wifi card
May 10 23:30:04 <tripzero> there is a mobilehotspot app
May 10 23:30:08 <tripzero> but idk if it works
May 10 23:30:15 <ManoftheSea> that sounds right... extras-devel?
May 10 23:30:28 <tripzero> yeah
May 10 23:30:36 <tripzero> it hasn't worked for me
May 10 23:32:08 <ManoftheSea> What about kismet?  Have others gotten it to work?
May 10 23:32:38 <DocScrutinizer51> airodump kinda works
May 10 23:32:42 <DocScrutinizer51> on dchan6
May 10 23:32:44 <MohammadAG_> yes, mobile-hotspot works for others
May 10 23:32:54 <MohammadAG_> I use JoikuSpot, but it kills custom kernels
May 10 23:33:04 <ManoftheSea> yeah, I was reading that chan 6 only.  I don't understand the details, but that seemed weird.
May 10 23:33:13 <ManoftheSea> Any reasoning on that?
May 10 23:33:32 <tripzero> does the kernel-flasher in extra's devel install a custom kernel?
May 10 23:33:32 <MohammadAG_> killing custom kernels?
May 10 23:33:33 <DocScrutinizer51> abi issue?
May 10 23:33:37 <MohammadAG_> well you can use them, but...
May 10 23:33:38 <liori> ManoftheSea: you might be interested in http://www.neopwn.com/
May 10 23:33:43 <MohammadAG_> Joikuspot wouldn't work
May 10 23:33:53 <MohammadAG_> it imports a .ko module
May 10 23:33:59 <ManoftheSea> oh, that is cool liori
May 10 23:34:04 <MohammadAG_> which doesn't get imported on t-tan's kernel
May 10 23:35:03 <DocScrutinizer51> now THAT is evil
May 10 23:35:47 <ManoftheSea> yes, that is cool.
May 10 23:37:30 <DocScrutinizer51> can't t-tan use compatible kernel abi version and symbols??
May 10 23:40:33 <DocScrutinizer51> ~lart the GUI fool that though changing from light blue to WHITE was a great idea for taskswitcher notification icon
May 10 23:40:33 * infobot squeezes the GUI fool that though changing from light blue to WHITE was a great idea till the GUI fool that though changing from light blue to WHITE was a great idea turns blue like papa smurf for taskswitcher notification icon
May 10 23:41:49 <DocScrutinizer51> that's been brilliant
May 10 23:41:56 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
May 10 23:41:57 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51: :)
May 10 23:44:36 <ManoftheSea> ~lart sum gai
May 10 23:44:36 * infobot nabs the moon and broadsides sum gai with the sea of tranquility
May 10 23:44:48 <ManoftheSea> hunh.
May 10 23:44:57 <ManoftheSea> Anyway...
May 10 23:45:20 <ManoftheSea> Does Nokia have an engineering mode for the n900?  I don't expect that regular joe can get it
May 10 23:45:34 <ManoftheSea> But if there is one, that seems like an all in one wireless solution, no?
May 10 23:46:27 <ml-mobile> there is an R&D mode, of variable utility
May 10 23:46:37 <ManoftheSea> Yeah, with the flashing keyboard?
May 10 23:46:51 <ManoftheSea> (Disclaimer, I don't know what 'engineering mode' actually means)
May 10 23:47:07 <ManoftheSea> (I think it has to do with figuring out how the cell coverage is doing)
May 10 23:48:11 <ml-mobile> 90% of all interesting things can be done without special modes beyond root access
May 10 23:49:26 <ManoftheSea> alright.  I won't push the issue, since I know it's of dubious merit.
May 10 23:49:28 <DocScrutinizer51> ManoftheSea: no   alas no cellmo EM
May 10 23:49:45 <ManoftheSea> I don't know what cellmo EM is.  I'd just be guessing
May 10 23:50:30 <DocScrutinizer51> modem engineering mode
May 10 23:51:10 <DocScrutinizer51> R&D just for main linux szstem
May 10 23:51:33 <ManoftheSea> I guessed wrong.
May 10 23:51:37 <DocScrutinizer51> modem pretty closed
May 10 23:51:43 <ManoftheSea> Thanks.  I'm looking at openBTS now.
May 10 23:51:55 <ManoftheSea> DocScrutinizer51: doesn't surprise me, as it's where people would get into the most trouble.
May 10 23:52:14 <DocScrutinizer51> check out pnatd (cmdline)
May 10 23:52:14 <ManoftheSea> I mean...  look at how easy backtrax is.
May 10 23:52:31 <ManoftheSea> It has a legit use and all... but I can't deny it's used by skiddies either.
May 10 23:53:05 <DocScrutinizer51> whats backtrax?
May 10 23:54:32 <ManoftheSea> backtracks?
May 10 23:54:38 <ManoftheSea> The pen-testing linux distro?
May 10 23:54:48 <ManoftheSea> or... security-related?
May 10 23:54:53 <ManoftheSea> I guess it does forensics too.
May 10 23:54:58 <DocScrutinizer51> heh you're looking at openBTS? cool
May 10 23:55:35 <DocScrutinizer51> greet all of them :-))
May 10 23:55:37 <ManoftheSea> "looking at" is not understanding.
May 10 23:55:58 <ManoftheSea> anyway...  gotta go for now.  Talk to you guys later.
May 10 23:56:25 <DocScrutinizer51> yeah Harald and Dieter are far above what I know
May 10 23:58:04 <DocScrutinizer51> anyway if you talk to harald aka lafPrge then toss a EHLO for me
May 10 23:58:24 <DocScrutinizer51> laf0rge even
May 10 23:58:46 <SpeedEvil> openbts is insanely cool
May 10 23:59:23 <SpeedEvil> I would love to go to germany for it - but...
May 11 00:02:16 <DocScrutinizer51> yeah
May 11 00:03:56 <DocScrutinizer51> reminds me... kontorri promised to see what can be done for EM
May 11 00:04:41 <DocScrutinizer51> reminds me... kontorri promised to see what can be done for EM
May 11 00:06:48 <DocScrutinizer51> ~seen onenbmap
May 11 00:06:54 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51: i haven't seen 'onenbmap'
May 11 00:11:09 <DocScrutinizer51> any howto on debugging kernel?
May 11 00:13:39 * jaem just read the scrollback... for reference, "BackTrack" is singular </pedantic>
May 11 00:31:46 <Macer> hm
May 11 00:31:56 <Macer> blah
May 11 00:34:47 <dAnIeLLL> wat
May 11 00:34:48 <dAnIeLLL> :D
May 11 00:41:15 <DocScrutinizer51> ECHAN?
May 11 00:51:23 <Termana> good morning
May 11 00:54:47 <omar> good mooorning
May 11 00:55:20 <Ken-Young> good evening
May 11 01:00:50 <DocScrutinizer51> morning
May 11 01:01:26 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ugt
May 11 01:01:26 <infobot> i heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
May 11 01:02:00 <omar> i wonder if gmail mfe mail will work in pr1.2
May 11 01:03:20 <DocScrutinizer51> ask MohammadAG - he testedthe whole 1.2 on scratchbox aiui
May 11 01:03:50 <omar> i have the SDK, how can i launch the 1.2 firmware?
May 11 01:04:34 <MohammadAG_> quite complicated, and you'll have to reflash when 1.2 comes out
May 11 01:04:43 <MohammadAG_> I already lost mp-fremantle-generic-pr *sniff*
May 11 01:04:46 <MohammadAG_> oh well
May 11 01:05:03 <omar> hmm
May 11 01:05:14 <omar> so did you test if gmail mfe worked? :D
May 11 01:05:41 <MohammadAG_> don't use mfe :)
May 11 01:05:53 <MohammadAG_> it was basically just a challenge
May 11 01:06:03 <MohammadAG_> the first time I failed, and DocScrutinizer51 got a virtual IRC beer
May 11 01:06:04 <omar> is there a better to get e-mail pushed to the device?
May 11 01:06:08 <omar> lol
May 11 01:06:30 <omar> i was using nokia messaging then found intellisyncd roasting my cpu
May 11 01:06:31 <MohammadAG_> Nokia Messaging
May 11 01:06:35 <MohammadAG_> heh
May 11 01:06:37 <omar> yeah i deleted that
May 11 01:06:42 <omar> battery life went to shit
May 11 01:07:11 <MohammadAG_> I have two batteries, and I might order the zaggsparq 2.0
May 11 01:07:17 <MohammadAG_> so I don't care about that :P
May 11 01:07:49 <DocScrutinizer51> still 14 short of the 3:1
May 11 01:08:41 <MohammadAG_> Now, instead of spending time figuring out what time of day is it for every member of the channel, we spend time explaining newcomers benefits of UGT.  LOL
May 11 01:08:49 <DocScrutinizer51> wtf????? 13 line in 0.1s
May 11 01:09:25 <omar> i have no idea what you two are talking about now
May 11 01:09:45 <MohammadAG_> me neither
May 11 01:10:05 <MohammadAG_> http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggsparq.php <-- ZaggSparq 2.0
May 11 01:10:09 <omar> yah saw that
May 11 01:10:14 <MohammadAG_> <MohammadAG_> Now, instead of spending time figuring out what time of day is it for every member of the channel, we spend time explaining newcomers benefits of UGT.  LOL <--- from the link above
May 11 01:10:24 <ptl> UGT == UTC?
May 11 01:10:38 <MohammadAG_> No
May 11 01:10:43 <omar> what's ugt
May 11 01:10:44 <MohammadAG_> Universal Greeting Time
May 11 01:10:48 <ptl> UTC is the most weird acronym ever. It's inverted. Universal Coordinated Time.
May 11 01:10:50 <ptl> oh
May 11 01:11:02 <MohammadAG_> if someone joins, you say morning
May 11 01:11:04 <ptl> We could use stardates from startrek.
May 11 01:11:06 <MohammadAG_> regardless of the time
May 11 01:11:11 <omar> oh
May 11 01:11:16 <MohammadAG_> when he leaves you say night
May 11 01:11:26 <MohammadAG_> <infobot> i heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
May 11 01:11:30 <ptl> what time is it there, wherever you are, MohammadAG?
May 11 01:11:33 <omar> what if i leave and say "i'm going to class bbl"
May 11 01:11:35 <MohammadAG_> Tue May 11 04:11:35 IDT 2010
May 11 01:11:42 <MohammadAG_> you say night
May 11 01:12:05 <MohammadAG_> technically that's morning ^
May 11 01:12:10 <MohammadAG_> 4AM
May 11 01:12:25 <Termana> And even if its not morning for you when you join - you say good morning and even if its not night for you when you leave, you say good night
May 11 01:12:26 <omar> guess i dunno the idiosyncrasies of irc chat anymore
May 11 01:12:50 <ptl> Seg Mai 10 22:12:34 BRT 2010
May 11 01:12:52 <DocScrutinizer51> nah time for a decent meal anyway
May 11 01:13:01 <DocScrutinizer51> lrts call it lunch
May 11 01:13:06 <MohammadAG_> lol
May 11 01:13:10 <DocScrutinizer51> let's
May 11 01:13:19 <ptl> When I get to 4 AM the hour will be all used up and wasted.
May 11 01:13:31 <omar> weird.. my clock shows 4:52 AM
May 11 01:13:53 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ugt ftw
May 11 01:13:55 <omar> yet i go to time settings it says 5:13
May 11 01:15:05 <omar> 05:15 AM
May 11 01:15:13 <MohammadAG_> it's 5:15
May 11 01:15:17 <omar> yeah
May 11 01:15:23 <omar> my applet is locked at 4:52
May 11 01:15:33 <MohammadAG_> I'm kinda tired
May 11 01:15:34 <omar> what's the applet name?
May 11 01:15:39 <MohammadAG_> Night #maemo o/
May 11 01:15:42 <omar> night
May 11 01:15:46 <MohammadAG_> just killall hildon-status-menu
May 11 01:15:53 <omar> i mean on my desktop :)
May 11 01:15:56 <omar> not my phone
May 11 01:16:15 <MohammadAG_> Windows?
May 11 01:16:19 <omar> clock-applet
May 11 01:16:22 <omar> no ubuntu 10.04
May 11 01:16:25 <MohammadAG_> oh
May 11 01:16:40 <MohammadAG_> had an "ewww" ready
May 11 01:16:43 <omar> i just killed osmethign called clock-applet and nothing happened
May 11 01:16:44 <MohammadAG_> oh well, next time
May 11 01:16:51 <MohammadAG_> reboot X
May 11 01:16:52 <MohammadAG_> :P
May 11 01:17:41 <MohammadAG_> mh, bugzilla email
May 11 01:17:50 <MohammadAG_> sleep will have to wait
May 11 01:18:22 <omar> lol i have like 3 clcok applets runnign invisibly on my top panel
May 11 01:18:57 <DocScrutinizer51> WTF?? CTCP time????
May 11 01:19:42 <dAnIeLLL> already managed to run droid(100%) on N900?
May 11 01:20:50 * DocScrutinizer51 kicks MohammadAG_ 
May 11 01:21:37 * MohammadAG_ is still awake
May 11 01:21:41 <DocScrutinizer51> now the bd aftermath has its impact
May 11 01:21:49 <MohammadAG_> how dare you!
May 11 01:22:02 * MohammadAG_ kicks DocScrutinizer51 back
May 11 01:22:35 <MohammadAG_> I'm off now (again) :P
May 11 01:22:36 <MohammadAG_> Night
May 11 01:22:38 <DocScrutinizer51> ppl coming to my desk with bottles of swiss wodka
May 11 01:23:20 <Termana> MohammadAG, good night
May 11 01:23:31 <Termana> DocScrutinizer51, and you drink all that "wodka" obviously
May 11 01:23:37 <MohammadAG> oh didn't notice this was still on
May 11 01:24:02 <MohammadAG> hope the alarm wakes me up
May 11 01:24:12 <asjWrk> don't forget to set it
May 11 01:24:47 * DocScrutinizer51 slaps Termana with smell TV
May 11 01:24:53 <MohammadAG> if i'm not here by 12 send a fake nuke to IL, the emergency sirens might help
May 11 01:25:03 <Termana> Turn you speakers up and turn notification sounds on - I'll ping you when you want to be woken
May 11 01:25:07 <Termana> your*
May 11 01:25:10 <MohammadAG> last time they didn't though
May 11 01:25:17 <asjWrk> MohammadAG: it's 11:25am right now...
May 11 01:26:03 <MohammadAG> asjWrk, different time zones
May 11 01:26:11 <MohammadAG> the other side of the globe does exist
May 11 01:26:12 <asjWrk> MohammadAG: you didn't specify...
May 11 01:26:22 <asjWrk> MohammadAG: there's nothing but dragons and deamons
May 11 01:26:23 <MohammadAG> Tue May 11 04:26:23 IDT 2010
May 11 01:26:34 <emma> is maemo okay?
May 11 01:26:41 <emma> i heard it was merging with something else?
May 11 01:26:50 <MohammadAG> no, it's evil
May 11 01:26:54 <MohammadAG> it eats babies
May 11 01:26:58 <Termana> emma, no - its in the emergency room
May 11 01:27:13 <DocScrutinizer> 12 *what*??
May 11 01:27:15 <Termana> oh and what he said as well ^^
May 11 01:27:31 <emma> I like maemo
May 11 01:27:38 <emma> I don't want it to die
May 11 01:27:38 <MohammadAG> 9 AM UTC time
May 11 01:27:45 <ptl> maemo died. Swallowed by meego.
May 11 01:27:49 <Myrtti> you're also a bit out of time
May 11 01:28:28 <emma> Myrtti: is that the Myrtti i know?
May 11 01:28:35 <DocScrutinizer> emma: you're kidding?
May 11 01:28:47 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, i said fake nuke btw
May 11 01:28:54 <emma> DocScrutinizer: no why would I be? Do I seem to not be serious?
May 11 01:28:55 <MohammadAG> we don't want a WWIII
May 11 01:29:04 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: hehe
May 11 01:29:24 <DocScrutinizer> real ones are only a few in my arms chamber
May 11 01:29:30 <MohammadAG> o.O
May 11 01:29:39 <DocScrutinizer> too expensive just to wake you
May 11 01:29:42 <MohammadAG> you torture the N900 with em?
May 11 01:30:01 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I'll send you a brick
May 11 01:30:08 <asjWrk> MohammadAG: if it's a big enough nuke to .il...then there won't be ww3
May 11 01:30:08 <MohammadAG> N900 brick that is
May 11 01:30:49 <MohammadAG> bah
May 11 01:30:54 <MohammadAG> fanboys will help
May 11 01:30:56 <DocScrutinizer> emma: sorry, but the maemo/meego merger is so widespred knowledge...
May 11 01:31:05 <emma> i just heard abut it now. sorry.
May 11 01:31:06 <MohammadAG> just say IL is linux and the EU is mac
May 11 01:31:10 <MohammadAG> and watch
May 11 01:31:15 <emma> DocScrutinizer: will it make maemo better?
May 11 01:31:16 <Termana> The n900 is already a brick out of the box.
May 11 01:31:19 <Termana> I keed I keed :P
May 11 01:31:22 <DocScrutinizer> emma: wait a second...
May 11 01:31:28 <ml-mobile> best brick ever
May 11 01:31:36 <MohammadAG> Termana, i keek keek (kick)
May 11 01:31:41 <asjWrk> what's wrong with a brick in your front pocket?
May 11 01:31:43 <Termana> MohammadAG, lol
May 11 01:31:58 <MohammadAG> anyways, night
May 11 01:32:00 <DocScrutinizer> emma: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213
May 11 01:32:14 <emma> i wish very much i could get something like a n900 but without the phone parts since I have no use for the phone.
May 11 01:32:23 <asjWrk> emma: n800?
May 11 01:32:31 <DocScrutinizer> nah, N810
May 11 01:32:34 <DocScrutinizer> ftw
May 11 01:32:36 <asjWrk> ipad-3g?
May 11 01:32:49 <asjWrk> there are many options...
May 11 01:33:29 <DocScrutinizer> ~bomb asjWrk
May 11 01:33:30 <Termana> Why not just get the n900... and not use the phone bit?
May 11 01:33:38 <asjWrk> what makes the n900 rock though is always having the data bit on the phone
May 11 01:33:56 <asjWrk> anywhere I am, I have access to wikipedia so my wife can prove me wrong
May 11 01:34:06 <Termana> :P
May 11 01:34:12 <DocScrutinizer> ~kill timriker
May 11 01:34:14 <omar> you mean so you can prove her wrong?
May 11 01:34:23 <asjWrk> omar: it always starts that way
May 11 01:34:36 <Termana> THATS WHAT SHE SAID
May 11 01:34:40 <DocScrutinizer> or whoever asked to remove "offending" factoids
May 11 01:35:23 <asjWrk> Termana: ??? TWSS abuse
May 11 01:35:39 <emma> is n800 or n810 not phones?
May 11 01:35:58 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer, offending?
May 11 01:36:02 <DocScrutinizer> emma: nope
May 11 01:36:07 <Termana> asjWrk, I abusing it whereever I can
May 11 01:36:11 <Termana> abuse*
May 11 01:36:15 <Termana> :P
May 11 01:36:19 <emma> so they are phones?
May 11 01:36:20 <asjWrk> Termana: that's what he said =)
May 11 01:36:26 <Termana> :D
May 11 01:36:37 <Myrtti> my sarcasm generator is working so hard it's overheating, I think it's a signal to do something else than look at IRC
May 11 01:36:41 <omar> emma what do you have against phones?
May 11 01:36:52 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles:  <infobot>          profanity -- possibly offensive factoids
May 11 01:36:56 <Termana> Besides cancer inducement
May 11 01:36:58 <GeneralAntilles> Pfft
May 11 01:37:01 <DocScrutinizer> GeneralAntilles: ~help
May 11 01:37:11 <asjWrk> omar: doesn't want to the gov't sending phone seeking missles...
May 11 01:37:19 <emma> omar: nothing but i have a phone and all i want in a phone is to send and recieve calls. Nothing else.
May 11 01:37:39 <ptl> emma: N800 and N810 are internet tables, no phone functions. N900 is a tablet with phone functions.
May 11 01:37:44 <Termana> What a useless phone. Pfft send and recieve calls. Who wants to do THAT with a phone?
May 11 01:37:45 <emma> what i ould like is a portable pc for doing quick browsing and listening to media.
May 11 01:37:55 <omar> emma n900 is nice for that :)
May 11 01:37:59 <ptl> emma: N900 can do that for you nicely.
May 11 01:38:10 <asjWrk> emma: where do you plan to get your data for quick browsing?
May 11 01:38:15 <Termana> emma, full disclosure - we are all on the n900 marketing team
May 11 01:38:19 <DocScrutinizer> emma: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/   not a phone
May 11 01:38:21 <Termana> lol :P j/k
May 11 01:38:21 <emma> wireless access point?
May 11 01:38:28 <asjWrk> I need to write an app that blocks outgoing calls in the n900...
May 11 01:38:48 <emma> i think the ideal thing would be like an ipad-LIKE device with maemo running on it.
May 11 01:38:49 <asjWrk> emma: pita around here, that all want $$$, unreliable
May 11 01:39:12 <Termana> emma, joggler? I think people will be getting MeeGo onto it
May 11 01:40:24 <DocScrutinizer> emma: (portable pc for doing quick browsing and listening) get a N900 - then evetually bin your current ""phone""
May 11 01:40:29 <omar> emma you can buy the n900 and not put a sim card in it ;)
May 11 01:40:55 <Termana> omar, actually I think that a lie - I thought people were having trouble getting it to start with a SIM
May 11 01:41:00 <DocScrutinizer> omar: but then no data abroad
May 11 01:41:02 <Termana> thats a lie*
May 11 01:41:08 <Termana> without a SIM*
May 11 01:41:21 <Termana> I think i've had some of DocScrutinizer's wodka
May 11 01:41:24 <DocScrutinizer> Termana: FUD!!!
May 11 01:41:45 <emma> Termana: is this what you were referring to -- http://www.slashgear.com/o2-joggler-home-media-tablet-price-slashed-0180022/
May 11 01:41:48 <emma> ?
May 11 01:41:49 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, Not from me :P I was just saying I THOUGHT
May 11 01:41:52 <b-man> you can buy and run an N900 without a sim - you just can't use the cell functions
May 11 01:41:58 <DocScrutinizer> N900 works great without SIM - just no connectivity abroad
May 11 01:42:08 <emma> can you use the gps
May 11 01:42:13 <b-man> yes
May 11 01:42:13 <omar> yeah
May 11 01:42:20 <emma> it's tempting.
May 11 01:42:23 <omar> DO IT
May 11 01:42:24 <asjWrk> gps lock will be slow
May 11 01:42:27 <Termana> b-man, "can't use the cell functions" without a sim..... obvious statement is obvious?
May 11 01:42:30 <DocScrutinizer> emma: without SIM? No!
May 11 01:42:37 <omar> gps will be slower without agps
May 11 01:42:42 <emma> you can't use gps without sim?
May 11 01:42:45 <b-man> Termana: duh
May 11 01:42:49 <omar> emma what current phone you have that you love so much?
May 11 01:42:55 <Termana> emma, also yes, that is what I was referring to (o2 joggler)
May 11 01:43:08 <omar> emma you can but with a sim it'll lock on much faster
May 11 01:43:11 <DocScrutinizer> emma: that's a bug in the GPS driver
May 11 01:43:18 <omar> oh you can't?
May 11 01:43:28 <emma> i don't have a smart phone. I just like to call people and receive calls. In fact I just pay like 5 dollars a month for my cell phone.
May 11 01:43:33 <DocScrutinizer> but for now you don't want to use GPS without conectivity
May 11 01:43:57 <b-man> PR1.2 is suppose to fix the gps issue
May 11 01:43:58 <emma> i dont really get why people are getting smart phones instead of hand held pcs.
May 11 01:44:18 <DocScrutinizer> emma: I pay 30$ / month and that's incl 5GB of data traffic
May 11 01:44:24 <omar> wat the hell
May 11 01:44:37 <omar> Doc i pay 30$ a month just for 100 megs/month
May 11 01:44:58 <omar> my isp here is a rip off
May 11 01:45:05 <omar> err isp + carrier
May 11 01:45:09 <DocScrutinizer> obviously
May 11 01:45:17 <omar> and they like to block off large portions of the intarwebs
May 11 01:45:29 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
May 11 01:45:36 <DocScrutinizer> great arabic wall?
May 11 01:45:39 <omar> yeah
May 11 01:45:51 <Myrtti> *KRRRRUMP* oof, there, see, now my sarcasm generator is broken
May 11 01:46:03 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 11 01:46:04 <omar> i have a vpn though so that issue is kinda moot but i haven't really had the patience to see how to get pptp working on my n900
May 11 01:46:08 <b-man> Termana: i don't view the N900 as a phone first, if that's why i made that statement ;)
May 11 01:46:31 <b-man> *if that's why you were wondering why
May 11 01:46:41 <Termana> oh right fair enough :P
May 11 01:46:46 * DocScrutinizer feels like having a snack
May 11 01:46:49 <DocScrutinizer> ttyl
May 11 01:46:51 <Termana> i guess
May 11 01:47:04 <Termana> cya DocScrutinizer - bring me back something to eat as well :P
May 11 01:47:56 <emma> Termana: o2 joggler doesn't look like quite hat I want.
May 11 01:48:15 <omar> wat do you want exactly
May 11 01:48:38 <crazyhorss> Hey fellas, having a small problem when i use medial player to display video to tv it doesn't show.... just black screen
May 11 01:48:43 <emma> I think I want this, but I'm not sure if it is real or a hoax --- http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/04/12/the-wepad-gets-a-price-and-launch-date/
May 11 01:49:00 <emma> imagine if that is real and putting maemo on that baby ♥
May 11 01:49:16 <SpeedEvil> Maemo will never go on other devices.
May 11 01:49:17 <crazyhorss> irssi and anything else works just fine.. is this a known issue with the app?
May 11 01:49:26 <SpeedEvil> maemo has nokia closed components.
May 11 01:49:31 <SpeedEvil> That form a large part of the UI
May 11 01:49:41 <SpeedEvil> The open parts of course can be used
May 11 01:50:13 <Myrtti> who knows what MeeGo will bring. It is aimed at tablets too, but that's a different discussion
May 11 01:50:16 <Myrtti> move on.
May 11 01:50:30 <DocScrutinizer> crazyhorss: no, usually you should get video from your 3.5mm with the cable that came with N900
May 11 01:51:18 <Termana> Which is rather bullshit. I'm not entirely sure you can call it an open source distro, if MOST of it is not OSS - 60% non-free is the statistic I've seen, but Stskeeps has made an actual list somewhere
May 11 01:52:17 <crazyhorss> hey doc. i know but its an avi i ripped and its showing on n900  just fine but wont play on tv for some odd reason
May 11 01:52:34 <crazyhorss> doc, any ideas what might be causing this?
May 11 01:52:36 * DocScrutinizer suspects Myrtti and emma are left and right half of one brain
May 11 01:53:19 <Myrtti> DocScrutinizer: hardly
May 11 01:53:37 <crazyhorss> sib works but frame rate is horrble... constant freezing
May 11 01:53:56 <DocScrutinizer> crazyhorss: please elaborate on the symptoms
May 11 01:54:21 <emma> No Myrtti is much more intelligent than me :)
May 11 01:54:43 <DocScrutinizer> crazyhorss: usually AV and LCD should be more or less in sync
May 11 01:54:45 <emma> And I think she hates me.
May 11 01:55:18 <DocScrutinizer> sounds like classic schizophrenia, emma
May 11 01:55:28 <emma> hehe
May 11 01:55:29 <Termana> For anyone that wants to know the exact statistic for PR1.1 - 57% is non-OSS and 43% is OSS
May 11 01:55:49 <asjWrk> Termana: is that package numbers? kloc? :)
May 11 01:56:03 <crazyhorss> DocScrutinizer: i get the loading dots then tv dots dissapear while n900 still has then 2sec later video starts on n900
May 11 01:56:14 <Termana> asjWrk, http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/
May 11 01:56:40 <DocScrutinizer> crazyhorss: AV isn't granted for anything but mediaplayer
May 11 01:56:51 <b-man> Termana: Stskeeps keeps the non-OSS/OSS statistics ;P
May 11 01:57:08 <b-man> Termana: it's on a wiki somewhere
May 11 01:57:12 <DocScrutinizer> b-man: exactly
May 11 01:57:27 <Termana> b-man, have you got something in your eye?
May 11 01:57:36 <crazyhorss> DocScrutinizer: just tried another video and it is workingti
May 11 01:57:36 <DocScrutinizer> http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/
May 11 01:57:47 <Termana> b-man, you obviously just missed my last 3 sentences :P
May 11 01:57:52 <asjWrk> DocScrutinizer51: that's bloody conufing
May 11 01:57:56 <b-man> Termana: Stskeeps knows what he is talking about
May 11 01:57:59 <DocScrutinizer> crazyhorss: good news
May 11 01:58:07 <crazyhorss> i decoded in ffmpeg to .avi at 848x480 with 128kb audio
May 11 01:58:16 <b-man> oh, ok
May 11 01:59:19 <crazyhorss> I still get audio
May 11 01:59:59 <DocScrutinizer> asjWrk: check what is a link!
May 11 02:00:06 <crazyhorss> It's an exercise program i wanted to use.. maybe there is some kind of copyrigh that n900 video driver detects?t
May 11 02:00:11 <Myrtti> hate - no. distaste, yes.
May 11 02:00:13 <DocScrutinizer> you can click on almost everything
May 11 02:00:44 <DocScrutinizer> crazyhorss: strange
May 11 02:01:19 <DocScrutinizer> crazyhorss: you should file a bug ticket, if you can share the video source file
May 11 02:01:19 <omar> u wanna know what's super strange? my skype account doesn't work for skype out on the n900
May 11 02:01:45 <DocScrutinizer> hooooooo scary
May 11 02:02:02 <DocScrutinizer> skype == BS
May 11 02:02:17 <Termana> Thats right DocScrutinizer uses a tin can and a piece of string
May 11 02:02:26 <omar> olol
May 11 02:02:38 <DocScrutinizer> /mode +q Termana
May 11 02:02:41 <omar> that kind of communication won't work from UAE to USA
May 11 02:02:43 <Termana> :P
May 11 02:02:50 <crazyhorss> DocScrutinizer: alright i guess i will... thanks
May 11 02:03:02 <Myrtti> I vote for cheesecake
May 11 02:03:08 <DocScrutinizer> crazyhorss: thanks for that, mate
May 11 02:03:29 <ManoftheSea> uh, wupz.
May 11 02:03:38 <ManoftheSea> wrong window, lol
May 11 02:03:44 <ManoftheSea> good night room
May 11 02:04:03 <DocScrutinizer> ManoftheSea: beware, shit hits the fan here
May 11 02:04:11 <ManoftheSea> uh, what?
May 11 02:04:19 <ManoftheSea> I've been around the block.
May 11 02:04:30 <Termana> Thats what SHE said
May 11 02:04:47 <ManoftheSea> I want a $1000 personal GSM network.
May 11 02:04:54 <ManoftheSea> Santa, please put it in my stocking.
May 11 02:05:00 <Myrtti> cheesecake?
May 11 02:05:10 <DocScrutinizer51> blaaaaaaaaargh
May 11 02:05:10 <Termana> Myrtti, nomnomnom give me some :P
May 11 02:06:00 <crazyhorss> DocScrutinizer: so i need to post on bugtrack?
May 11 02:06:12 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
May 11 02:07:40 <DocScrutinizer> crazyhorss: https://bugs.maemo.org
May 11 02:09:00 <DocScrutinizer> have fun, kids
May 11 02:09:21 <DocScrutinizer> daddy doesn't want to get disturbed
May 11 02:10:02 <DocScrutinizer> except a 'ping' maybe - it's a lil tooooo quiet
May 11 02:10:36 <DocScrutinizer> WTF?
May 11 02:10:45 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
May 11 02:10:45 <infobot> :), DocScrutinizer
May 11 02:10:59 <DocScrutinizer51> blablablarg
May 11 02:11:47 <DocScrutinizer> boring
May 11 02:13:32 * GeneralAntilles hands DocScrutinizer a rubik's cube
May 11 02:14:01 * DocScrutinizer mnyummcrunchcrrrk
May 11 02:15:16 * Termana hands DocScrutinizer the Droid Rubik's Cube solving robot so he can do it in 24 seconds
May 11 02:15:19 <DocScrutinizer> bah, polystyrene in there :-(
May 11 02:16:02 * DocScrutinizer spits a few times, then opens the bag with bread and cheese
May 11 02:17:00 <Termana> are you making a sandwich?
May 11 02:17:46 <Termana> Better question - are you making ME a sandwich while your at it? :P
May 11 02:18:04 <DocScrutinizer> you forgot sudo
May 11 02:18:17 <Termana> lcukn900, good morning
May 11 02:18:26 <Termana> sudo make me a sandwich
May 11 02:18:27 <Termana> :P
May 11 02:19:07 <DocScrutinizer> http://xkcd.com/149/
May 11 02:20:53 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, have you seen the robot someone made, that allows you to type "sudo make me a sandwich" at a terminal and it makes a sandwich?
May 11 02:21:25 * DocScrutinizer chomps
May 11 02:22:41 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQOkMz3kiS0
May 11 02:25:34 <kajko> nice!
May 11 02:28:11 <omar> i just realized i don't have a toaster... at least i think i don't
May 11 02:31:48 <ptl> I don't also
May 11 02:31:53 <ptl> too much carbohydrates anyway
May 11 02:33:17 <DocScrutinizer> I got a laser
May 11 02:33:36 <DocScrutinizer> microwave
May 11 02:33:46 <DocScrutinizer> and a propane torch
May 11 02:35:08 * DocScrutinizer muses about his soldering station
May 11 02:36:01 <omar> Doc whatta you do for a living?
May 11 02:39:11 <DocScrutinizer> starve?
May 11 02:39:17 <DocScrutinizer> entertain you?
May 11 02:39:19 <omar> to make money
May 11 02:39:53 <DocScrutinizer> money? not seen any for quite a while
May 11 02:40:06 <omar> oho
May 11 02:42:49 <DocScrutinizer> The envelopes with Nokia's bribes seem to get lost
May 11 02:43:33 <Omar_> whatre you bribing them for
May 11 02:43:39 <asjWrk> DocScrutinizer: if there were bribes don't you think the symbian deviced wouldn't come with a little atm machine built into them?
May 11 02:44:20 <DocScrutinizer> seems you missed my point
May 11 02:44:55 <DocScrutinizer> It's not me sending bribes to Nokia - I wouldn't know what for anyway
May 11 02:45:19 <Omar_> so whatre they bribing you for
May 11 02:45:39 <DocScrutinizer> dunno - the envelopes get lost :-P
May 11 02:46:44 <DocScrutinizer> maybe to fix their hardware?
May 11 02:47:09 <dAnIeLLL> some1 here run android?
May 11 02:47:19 <DocScrutinizer> blAAAArgh
May 11 02:48:11 <dAnIeLLL> DocScrutinizer =]
May 11 02:57:23 <lcukn900> \join ##c
May 11 02:58:19 <Myrtti> dAnIeLLL: on what?
May 11 02:59:02 <dAnIeLLL> n900
May 11 02:59:29 * b-man|n900 runs fedora
May 11 02:59:54 <dAnIeLLL> if maemo/meego fails, android save us
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