**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 13 02:59:56 2010 May 13 03:24:10 I've heard Opera release for n900, any good? May 13 03:25:39 It's somewhat faster in places. May 13 03:25:49 And some interesting touches May 13 03:26:10 I'll try it then May 13 03:26:18 if it had flash - it would be an interesting alternative May 13 03:26:29 aww now flash :( May 13 03:26:38 many sites I'm on pretty much require flash May 13 03:27:30 no hack to enable it like on firefox? May 13 03:27:41 rename swc|666 swc May 13 03:27:41 save May 13 03:28:30 rename ajf_ ajf_biteme; commit May 13 03:38:53 wow opera is very attractive May 13 03:44:00 goodnight May 13 04:43:05 hmm, how come they say the front camera on the n900 isn't working? May 13 04:46:59 or they just mean it's not being used by any apps May 13 04:47:20 they mean if you take a picture of them, they will stab your N900 through the camera May 13 04:48:21 rename DocScrutinizer-8 joerg May 13 04:48:21 save May 13 04:50:03 rename ajf_ idiot May 13 04:50:04 save May 13 04:55:09 delete * May 13 04:55:12 exit May 13 04:55:15 moo wazd May 13 05:03:39 luke-jr, +1 May 13 05:03:51 idiot is right May 13 05:07:52 Germans To Get Fined For Not Securing Wi-Fi Networks May 13 05:08:58 64-bit wep ftw May 13 05:14:27 haha word swc|666 May 13 05:14:34 kwality May 13 05:17:06 lol May 13 05:18:34 anyone in chicago T-Mobile? May 13 05:36:07 omg.. steam for linux is official May 13 05:38:49 and worthless May 13 05:38:53 did valve announce it? May 13 05:39:03 "app store" May 13 05:39:13 OMG no PR 1.2 yet :) May 13 05:42:30 speaking of steam ... "Today, nosy PC gamers discovered that the version of Rockstar Games' Max Payne 2 being sold through Valve's Steam service looked an awful lot like the one released by pirate group Myth" May 13 05:43:26 lol May 13 06:33:39 * MohammadAG sighs at the inability to mark as read in Conversations May 13 06:33:51 * MohammadAG always waves and says morning May 13 06:57:19 hmm May 13 06:57:36 * rockstar_ wonders why he's running pr1.2rc May 13 07:08:15 oke, so my n900 headphones just broke. Well, they lasted for 5 months, imho that's pretty good. May 13 07:08:39 Fucking pisses me of that no manufacotrer can't produce a wire that actually witstands May 13 07:09:10 *manufacturer May 13 07:09:14 *withstands May 13 07:09:29 Dassu: I had some really nice sony headphones that broke a couple of months ago, had them for two years, used them every day :( May 13 07:09:44 I've been looking for the same model, but I can't find 'em anymore :'( May 13 07:12:22 Dassu: they can May 13 07:12:24 hi May 13 07:12:36 Nokia headphones are cheap and rubbish though IMO, May 13 07:12:38 Dassu: but do you want to carry 10mm^2 wire with you? May 13 07:12:58 Dassu: get a bluetooth set :D May 13 07:13:09 or May 13 07:13:10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_Wire_Armoured_(SWA)_Cable May 13 07:13:16 that would withstand it May 13 07:27:17 Dassu: get good bluetooth headphones May 13 07:27:30 Dassu: like the sennheiser mm100 May 13 07:31:16 May 13 07:34:43 G May 13 07:35:39 Oh not been on irc for awhile. Thing to remember how to use again :D May 13 07:36:49 gerry: the most important command is /sign May 13 07:40:15 rename b0unc3 b0unc3 May 13 07:40:15 save May 13 07:40:48 Rst38h: remind me what that does? :D May 13 07:56:18 wow May 13 07:56:23 they got usb host working on n900 May 13 07:57:51 link May 13 07:57:55 :) May 13 07:59:17 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=656408&postcount=852 May 13 07:59:28 thansk May 13 08:00:20 cool May 13 08:01:37 ooo May 13 08:07:41 Stskeeps, ya, link please May 13 08:07:48 oops May 13 08:09:36 tmo is dead again May 13 08:12:45 is there a list of software in repositories somewhere in the web? May 13 08:14:00 yes. May 13 08:16:23 RST38h, any link? May 13 08:19:32 bah May 13 08:20:02 (just trying to work out how that bot works) May 13 08:26:55 rename AD-N770 josep_torra May 13 08:26:55 save May 13 08:27:49 ajf: why do you want rename me? May 13 08:28:23 if something went wrong during flashing and the N900 was bricked. is there a way to 'restore' it back to factory condition? May 13 08:29:04 hey AD-N770 May 13 08:29:23 hi pupnik May 13 08:29:44 stranger_: Just flash it again. May 13 08:30:12 ajf_: that's a rather lame script May 13 08:31:48 * MohammadAG votes to kick ajf_, who/whatever that is May 13 08:43:06 looks like bitlbee-commands to me May 13 08:56:47 ddos May 13 09:25:22 ~curse people which use word 'bricked' when they did not bridket their devices May 13 09:25:23 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, people which use word 'bricked' when they did not bridket their devices ! May 13 09:39:46 Stskeeps: awesome May 13 09:39:50 egoshin++ May 13 09:46:29 seriously, must build a theme... May 13 09:46:47 where are moods? May 13 09:51:23 rename b0unc3 b0unc3 May 13 09:51:23 save May 13 09:52:50 ajf_, ? May 13 09:59:19 http://www.davidrevoy.com/?article25/mypaint-request << interesting - an artist's view on what needs doing for mypaint May 13 10:03:53 Is there a way to change the way the mount points are set up a bit? My / is constantly at 100%, while /dev/mmcblk0p2 is at 41%. I know how to change mount points, but I couldn't find a wiki page with a recommended setup May 13 10:04:58 / is on a seperate device May 13 10:05:31 the stock firmware will not boot if you copy the filesystem to mmc, and try to boot it May 13 10:05:40 find can be of use May 13 10:05:45 install gnu findutils May 13 10:05:56 I have find :) May 13 10:06:15 find / -mount -mtime -20 May 13 10:06:33 will find all files altered every 20 days ago May 13 10:06:50 add -size +200k - and you get a list of largish new files May 13 10:07:12 well, it isn't particulary new, I've had this for quite a while, will try the size opt May 13 10:07:37 mainly /var/lib/apt and and /var/lib/dpkg May 13 10:08:25 is it not possible to mount /var/lib/ to the other storage device? May 13 10:08:48 the cache files can be nuked May 13 10:08:57 I think lib can be moved May 13 10:10:10 moved, as in mounted to a diff folder with bind? May 13 10:10:25 yes May 13 10:10:43 Nokia-N900-02-8 lib # du -sh . May 13 10:10:43 52M . May 13 10:10:44 aha May 13 10:12:17 Thanks May 13 10:13:41 15m herr May 13 10:13:43 wow linapple is *loud* May 13 10:14:35 somewhat OT: how much should it cost to insure an N900 in the UK? May 13 10:14:44 BCMM: 50 quid/year May 13 10:16:24 buying off the nokia website gives you three months free insurance and an automatic direct debit to start paying 6 a month afterwards if you don't cancell May 13 10:16:34 be warned May 13 10:17:11 It diddn't for me May 13 10:17:11 wonder if they can be pressured into not partnering with mobile phones direct? May 13 10:17:27 SpeedEvil: well did for me... May 13 10:17:50 ordered around easter with t-mobile contract May 13 10:18:24 * Wizzup reboots phone now and hopes everything goes fine May 13 10:18:48 50/pa including theft, damage? May 13 10:19:35 BCMM: bought outright May 13 10:19:37 BCMM: yes May 13 10:19:59 SpeedEvil: what about water damage? May 13 10:20:46 http://www.cusc.co.uk/phones/faq May 13 10:20:53 also, with which company? looks like i'm ringing to cancel this one and whine about being signed up for it May 13 10:21:22 they gave very good deal with t-mobile May 13 10:21:35 google it. May 13 10:21:47 perhaps they intend to make it up in ripoff insurance May 13 10:21:52 There are a few insurers that will insure already purchased phones. May 13 10:21:53 SpeedEvil: It seems to hang on boot May 13 10:21:56 * Wizzup investigates May 13 10:22:14 t-mobile have their own insurance that will cover phones contracted to them. May 13 10:22:18 Wizzup: ? May 13 10:22:22 i think ensleigh can do it as part of house contents May 13 10:22:40 SpeedEvil: after I added a mount line to /etc/fstab to the /var/lib mount May 13 10:22:42 SpeedEvil: included in contract or extra? May 13 10:22:56 hmhm, did someone try to reduce vm.swappiness? May 13 10:23:35 SpeedEvil: i don't really understand contracts; t-mobile doesn't do n900 or know about it on website May 13 10:23:41 Wizzup: yes - it's easy to screw it up May 13 10:24:01 but mobile phones direct sells t-mobile contracts with an n900... May 13 10:24:13 BCMM: Look round t-mobiles site - see if there is an option to get insurance through them. May 13 10:24:36 Compare the rest of the market too for accidental damage/loss insurance - consder what risks you want insurance for May 13 10:24:38 SpeedEvil: easy to fix, too? ;) May 13 10:24:55 carphone warehouse sells N900 with tmbile contract May 13 10:25:01 Wizzup: Well - flash it. May 13 10:25:06 hmm hmm May 13 10:25:11 i don'think they sell it directly May 13 10:25:24 and it's sold unlocked btw May 13 10:25:28 Wizzup: flashing nukes all installed apps - but not your homedir May 13 10:25:31 eh, I'd rather not May 13 10:25:36 is there any qt widget that is like a notification but stays on tophalf of the screen until dismissed? May 13 10:25:37 * Wizzup will mess around more May 13 10:26:04 * frals steals a look at w00t_ May 13 10:26:33 i do wonder wht i actually need May 13 10:26:37 STOP THIEF! May 13 10:26:42 * w00t_ looks at frals May 13 10:26:42 i only broke a phone once May 13 10:26:55 but i never had one worth stealing before May 13 10:27:19 * frals trouts lcuk May 13 10:27:25 BCMM: Read your home insurance policy - if you ahve one. Some can - or can be upgraded to - cover some aspects of phone problems. May 13 10:27:34 hiya frals w00t_ \o May 13 10:27:36 and it has a camera and so on so will come out of pocket more May 13 10:27:38 i suspect i would have to do my own widget based on xq11embedcontainer or something May 13 10:27:50 frals: QMaemo5InformationBox? May 13 10:27:56 SpeedEvil: yeah, ensleigh can May 13 10:28:25 proabably will do expensive phones too cause they'll do laptops May 13 10:28:40 w00t_: ah, i could try with that i guess! ty May 13 10:28:46 frals: :) May 13 10:29:03 but id prefer something like androids pushnotifications or what they call it, but i suspect there is no such widget by default May 13 10:29:16 I have no idea what it does, never used android May 13 10:29:51 BCMM: I think I was looking at cusc phoneguard. May 13 10:31:04 w00t_: or rather, something like this on symbian http://dailymobile.se/2009/08/15/truecaller-free-caller-id-application-for-symbian-s60v3-s60v5-and-windows-mobile/ May 13 10:31:30 (first 5 seconds) May 13 10:31:48 Aard: /win goto #meego May 13 10:31:50 mnhknmhk May 13 10:32:22 frals: which part of it? May 13 10:32:24 :p May 13 10:32:38 the part that shows "searching for ..." and then shows information when it calls May 13 10:32:42 ie overlays on the call ui May 13 10:32:50 sorry for not being clear, just woke up! May 13 10:33:04 also lcuk stole all my bacon May 13 10:33:11 I don't think I've seen anything like that May 13 10:33:13 no i didnt May 13 10:33:31 i havent had bacon in about a fortnight now :'( May 13 10:33:39 mmmm bacon May 13 10:40:34 this is damn good bacon http://bit.ly/bXbO3o May 13 10:40:43 i'm very picky with bacon May 13 10:41:50 oscillik, http://xkcd.com/737/ May 13 10:42:03 theres another problem with it - theres only 5 rashers there :p May 13 10:44:01 lcuk: heh i remember that one :p and yeah, the bacon doesn't last long. but it's damn good May 13 10:44:20 SpeedEvil, flashing now. I just find it really weird the / is set up like this - installing a just a few apps very quickly fills it up to 100%, and after that has happened, I can't install more apps and such May 13 10:47:32 i <3 my minidisc recorder May 13 10:48:14 Wizzup: Well - All debs should really be optified. May 13 10:48:28 maemo-optify-deb May 13 10:48:47 phellarv: Right - but isn't /opt/ mounted on the small device as well? May 13 10:48:55 Wizzup: Nope May 13 10:49:02 I'll check in a bit May 13 10:49:53 Wizzup: May 13 10:49:54 Nokia-N900-02-8:/opt# df /opt May 13 10:49:54 Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on May 13 10:49:54 /dev/mmcblk0p2 2064208 1048468 910884 54% /home May 13 10:49:56 opt is on the 2g /home May 13 10:50:01 Hehe May 13 10:50:18 ok May 13 10:50:26 Wizzup: /opt is really a symlink May 13 10:50:27 And any applications installable through HAM should be optified with a few K at most on / May 13 10:50:40 HAM? May 13 10:50:51 Hildon Application Manager May 13 10:50:57 ok May 13 10:51:10 well I did use apt-get quite a lot ... :) May 13 10:51:20 Same sources May 13 10:51:33 there's no way to play mkv files is there? mplayer not working for me May 13 10:51:33 Or - Almost May 13 10:52:21 omar: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40784 May 13 10:53:03 omar: But not all mkv-files. Dunno which is supported or which is not. May 13 10:53:11 *afk* May 13 10:53:16 i see thanks phellarv May 13 10:53:24 can you zoom in/out in the default n900 photo viewer? May 13 10:53:40 I can May 13 10:53:53 pigeon, use the zoom buttons May 13 10:54:34 smoku: ah, hardware buttons, thank you May 13 10:55:04 so obvious that it's impossible to come up with ;-) May 13 10:55:23 where did usleep() go? May 13 11:00:05 CONFORMING TO May 13 11:00:06 4.3BSD, POSIX.1-2001. POSIX.1-2001 declares this function obsolete; use nanosleep(2) instead. May 13 11:00:08 POSIX.1-2008 removes the specification of usleep(). May 13 11:00:13 good to know :) May 13 11:00:34 ty ty May 13 11:01:26 the slower i get, the faster things change May 13 11:02:02 I didn't know it was deprecated either, interesting to know May 13 11:03:40 why does it want two params? :) May 13 11:04:04 read the man page, it's a pita function compared to usleep May 13 11:04:07 http://www.braingames.getput.com/nether/default.asp << for RST38h May 13 11:04:33 (well not really since it can be null, but there's more caveats) May 13 11:04:55 lol, read up on clock_nanosleep(2) May 13 11:06:32 i just want to s/usleep(100)/SOMETHING and move on... May 13 11:07:04 pupnik: nanosleep isn't that bad May 13 11:21:22 good grief this is confusing May 13 11:27:12 moo May 13 11:27:21 oom May 13 11:27:38 :) May 13 11:28:00 Stskeeps: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=656408&postcount=852 now you got the stick to poke at nokia May 13 11:28:15 yeah, i saw May 13 11:28:47 make them send me a NDA and then the BME source May 13 11:29:01 * SpeedEvil passes Stskeeps a 3m long branch of hawthorne. May 13 11:29:34 Stskeeps: and a spare N900 ;-P May 13 11:39:19 pupnik: actually, nanosleep is friendly :) May 13 11:39:42 it lets you easily handle the case that someone was annoying and woke you early May 13 11:40:13 * DocScrutinizer sighs over noticing that egoshin's results are basically not really anything beyond what is shown to work in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=635293&postcount=685 but then that's just 2 weeks ago May 13 11:41:22 hey May 13 11:42:38 and especially in http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=635357&postcount=687 May 13 11:43:08 we're still using OTG May 13 11:43:18 hmm May 13 11:43:57 I think the enumeration reports were new? May 13 11:44:00 anyone have a clue as to why the power key menu wont display anything except Phone? dont mean to intrude in the conversation or anything =/ May 13 11:44:19 Slai: sensible questions are always welcome. May 13 11:44:21 SpeedEvil: hmm, maybe May 13 11:44:27 Slai: eh? May 13 11:44:37 do you mean you really have a menu w/ only one item? May 13 11:44:45 Slai: I'm unsure. That sounds odd. May 13 11:44:45 the menu is controlled by a series of (pluggable) xml files May 13 11:44:48 yes May 13 11:44:56 each file provides a set of rules for when to show what May 13 11:45:00 Slai: my first attempt would be to reboot, and see if it fixes it. May 13 11:45:04 i edited systemui.xml to display the reboot button May 13 11:45:05 thus there are a couple of obvious reasons for things to go bad :) May 13 11:45:09 Slai: have you installed anything ... May 13 11:45:10 ah May 13 11:45:10 see! May 13 11:45:12 which worked fine May 13 11:45:12 that'll do it May 13 11:45:15 you probably broke the xml file :) May 13 11:45:17 yeah May 13 11:45:20 hehe probably May 13 11:45:25 SpeedEvil: nota bene I had no device connected to enumerate, when http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=635357&postcount=687 happened May 13 11:45:37 but it doesnt appear borked at all May 13 11:45:38 restore the file from the backup that you made. May 13 11:45:45 See if it fixes it May 13 11:45:53 i did, thats when shit hit the fan May 13 11:46:06 DocScrutinizer: yes May 13 11:46:08 so i took another guys xml file which works for him May 13 11:46:15 still nothing changed. May 13 11:46:38 did you reboot? May 13 11:46:48 because the file isn't treated as dynamic May 13 11:46:52 countless times May 13 11:46:52 it's read by an app at boot May 13 11:46:56 =) May 13 11:46:58 along w/ a bunch of other things May 13 11:47:10 * timeless_mbp changes the strings that those things use and of course that requires a reboot May 13 11:47:25 personally, if i were tech support i'd say "reflash" May 13 11:47:28 yeah, i rebooted after any change made May 13 11:47:44 what you're doing is for people who know what they're doing :) May 13 11:47:50 if you broke it, … :) May 13 11:48:04 (and yes, i've manually hand edited those files) May 13 11:48:18 yeah problem is i dont have any computer, so unless i can reflash from the device itself that wont happen =P May 13 11:48:51 find a friend ;-) May 13 11:48:53 ... May 13 11:48:55 hehe May 13 11:49:01 make friend May 13 11:49:02 I would really not screw with stuff without a computer. May 13 11:49:07 find friend May 13 11:49:28 your n900 probably doesn't have make, but it should have find ! :) May 13 11:49:32 timeless_mbp: find: `friend': No such file or directory May 13 11:49:43 hehehe May 13 11:49:48 find /a friend May 13 11:50:03 that works on emergency solaris systems where /a is a mount point :) May 13 11:50:04 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52499 <- shows the systemui.xml im using May 13 11:50:20 Slai: load the xml file in the browser May 13 11:50:23 I suppose the bootmenu would be a sort-of-solution to many causes of bricking it May 13 11:50:28 if it complains, fix it until the browser stops complaining May 13 11:50:29 well - near bricking May 13 11:51:39 EHLO maemopunks May 13 11:52:25 well aint i the sad panda May 13 11:52:32 421 Please come back in 2040 seconds. May 13 11:53:48 hm... Why does HAM see less apps than apt-cache? I'd really like git back May 13 11:53:56 but the xml file itself looks to be fine, right? May 13 11:54:06 Wizzup: ham shows apps in section: user/* May 13 11:54:14 if your app isn't in user/* then it won't be shown May 13 11:54:20 things like git typically aren't in user/* May 13 11:54:23 So just install with apt-get then? May 13 11:54:42 Slai: did you try loading your local version in the browser on your device? May 13 11:54:43 yes May 13 11:54:51 Wizzup: . May 13 11:55:07 * DocScrutinizer laughs at timeless_mbp working in graylist mode now May 13 11:55:28 lo RST38h May 13 12:00:36 OMG THEY RENAMED THE May 13 12:00:45 MAEMO MAPPER May 13 12:00:47 * SpeedEvil tries to understand rtmpdump. May 13 12:01:32 rename Jophish_n900 joe_h May 13 12:01:32 save May 13 12:02:00 RST38h: where? May 13 12:02:16 ajf_: YOU SUCK!! May 13 12:02:19 ;-P May 13 12:02:54 i vote for a +q as well by now :P May 13 12:03:13 ajf_: no matter if robot or not, fix your script or accept +q May 13 12:03:27 has been going on for quite a while May 13 12:03:47 now there are two packages named mapper? May 13 12:04:13 well, let's start gentle but noticable May 13 12:04:16 anyone here familiar w/ cairo? May 13 12:07:40 morning May 13 12:07:50 'ning May 13 12:08:02 usb stick mount in n900 YAY ! May 13 12:08:09 * pupnik keeps his things happily hidden from user/* :D May 13 12:08:11 yayaya May 13 12:08:29 yaay for DocScrutinizer May 13 12:09:24 c'mon shall I take a laptop with me, to connect the N900 to its USB while 'echo host >mode' - to enable mounting a USB stick? May 13 12:09:49 closely check egoshin's procedure May 13 12:10:24 it's basically useless, and that's because we not yet entered generic hostmode. That's still OTG May 13 12:10:25 DocScrutinizer: but they are almost close May 13 12:10:31 to a nice solution for host mode May 13 12:10:37 who's "they"? May 13 12:10:50 egoshin , jorge , etc May 13 12:10:54 well, otg is a big step :P May 13 12:11:10 where is the difference to generic hostmode? May 13 12:11:13 * Stskeeps is perfectly fine with otg May 13 12:11:13 E0x: checked my cloak? May 13 12:11:26 Stskeeps: OTG won't work May 13 12:11:28 oh May 13 12:11:31 :D May 13 12:11:34 DocScrutinizer: .. because? May 13 12:11:48 needs soldering May 13 12:11:54 in device or outside? May 13 12:11:57 as OTG needs an insane abuse of VBUS for "data transfer" May 13 12:12:07 even with powered hub? May 13 12:12:12 yep May 13 12:12:19 meh, okay :P May 13 12:12:22 it's still a plus May 13 12:12:24 * lbt recalls seeing that in a bug recently May 13 12:12:30 OTG depends on BOTH devices know how to talk it May 13 12:13:28 and they use glitches and voltage probing (for sensing capacitor size etc) on VBUS May 13 12:14:25 that's why I think OTG will never work corretly on N900, even if we ignore the incompatibility of micro-B-receptacle with OTG specs May 13 12:15:29 disclaimer: this parts of OTG specs are so complex I forgot 4/5 of it and only remember it's insane and useless May 13 12:15:56 hey, can you watch justin.tv with a n900 ? May 13 12:15:59 heh May 13 12:16:05 baseline: we DO NOT WANT OTG - we want generic hostmode May 13 12:16:16 * RST38h wants a pony May 13 12:16:24 * frals wants colorfax in his n900 May 13 12:16:27 but it's still one way to get usb sticks on your n900. May 13 12:16:33 or other things May 13 12:16:36 or only can generic hostmode May 13 12:16:42 wants a full hd beamer in his n900 May 13 12:16:47 Stskeeps: yes, with the help of a PC nearby May 13 12:16:47 i mean, we did OTG in the n810 May 13 12:16:50 * satmd waves at sts May 13 12:17:03 DocScrutinizer: why needing a pc, fwiw? May 13 12:17:14 i'd like serial port via usb May 13 12:17:22 so that i can read my dive computer May 13 12:17:28 hey, can you watch justin.tv with a n900 ? May 13 12:17:28 Stskeeps: check egoshin's detailed procedure description May 13 12:17:29 without having to bring a laptop May 13 12:18:21 Stskeeps: he connects USB to PC, then does a few 'magic incantations', then swaps USB to his device to attach May 13 12:18:48 corecode_: that would be very nice ( serial port connection via usb ) May 13 12:19:01 E0x: well, i have a serial usb data cable May 13 12:19:09 Stskeeps: AIUI he forces N900 OTG state machine into a pathologic state May 13 12:19:12 E0x: so usb would be good May 13 12:19:12 i mean in the n900 May 13 12:19:42 DocScrutinizer: yes, still cool and a step on the way May 13 12:19:42 if you can bitbang the lines of the usb or headphone out? May 13 12:19:45 hmmmm May 13 12:19:50 -Os Pure CPU MHz:9.9 -O3 +pupnikflags Pure CPU MHz:15.1 May 13 12:20:03 HMMM May 13 12:20:11 that would be interesting May 13 12:20:21 bitbang on the headphone out May 13 12:20:29 is there a technical reason that one couldn't construct a device which appears as a USB host on both sides, as it were? May 13 12:20:32 corecode_: don't worry, it will come in a few weeks May 13 12:20:39 i'm sure the driver would be pretty weird and wonderful May 13 12:20:42 DocScrutinizer: host mode? May 13 12:20:46 DocScrutinizer: or headphone bitbang May 13 12:20:50 and performance would probably not be nice May 13 12:20:55 but is there a reason it's not possible? May 13 12:21:00 yes May 13 12:21:01 (and it would need it's own power source) May 13 12:21:05 corecode_: btw bitbanging on headphone out isn't rhat weird an idea - I like it May 13 12:21:12 DocScrutinizer: i know May 13 12:21:19 corecode_: hostmode will come May 13 12:21:24 loaded the systemui.xml into browser and it yells at me May 13 12:21:28 DocScrutinizer: yea, good job everybody involved May 13 12:21:35 the headphone out can do video, no? May 13 12:21:50 or where does the video out get connected May 13 12:21:51 yep, as well May 13 12:21:53 yeah, its av out May 13 12:22:14 oh serial bitbang, now i like it even more May 13 12:22:38 huh? May 13 12:22:48 headphone bitbang May 13 12:22:54 boink boink May 13 12:23:50 xml parsing error: not well formed. - May 13 12:24:18 corecode_: the headphones amp is a D-type without decoupling capacitors or any form of DC suppression (which gave Nokia decent headache with fried speakers btw ;-P), so you actually could 'bitbang' to AV-jack via audio device May 13 12:24:34 any ideas whats up? May 13 12:25:05 heh, just audio bitbang May 13 12:25:08 even easier May 13 12:25:14 ooh wait, seems I'm mixing headset jack and nternal speakers May 13 12:25:14 and quite insane May 13 12:25:28 are there rx51 schematics around? May 13 12:25:38 sorry, coffee didn't kick in yet May 13 12:25:50 (schem) check wiki May 13 12:25:55 nm, you could also just rectify the output May 13 12:25:59 changing the name has not made maemo mapper any faster =( May 13 12:26:07 input, dunno May 13 12:26:23 god damn systemui.xml... May 13 12:26:36 hmhmh May 13 12:26:41 “cellular network not available” May 13 12:26:43 that's not good May 13 12:26:53 serial input via hold-button (short mic ring of AV to GND) should work without any problems May 13 12:27:11 RST38h: maemo mapper isn't maep, is it? May 13 12:27:21 nop May 13 12:27:32 there are maep/mapper/mappero which are 3 different apps May 13 12:27:48 the genious is that you don't need to do the timing yourself May 13 12:27:52 corecode_: yes, and of course a rectified 20KHz would suffice nicely for 300Bd May 13 12:27:59 but the audio card does it for you May 13 12:28:03 Slai, path="/" maybe? May 13 12:28:06 or even 2400 May 13 12:28:10 Corsac: what does it do that maep doesn't? May 13 12:28:28 Slai, XML disallows valueless attributes May 13 12:28:38 corecode_: (timing) yep, exactly May 13 12:29:00 smoku i have no idea what that means =P May 13 12:29:09 BCMM: maep is pretty basic May 13 12:29:17 just display map and that's all May 13 12:29:17 yeah May 13 12:29:20 and tracking, though May 13 12:29:26 Corsac: yeah, there is tracking May 13 12:29:31 mapper/mappero are more complete, with routing and stuff like that May 13 12:29:33 heavier too May 13 12:29:36 what should i put in there instead? problem is the powerkey menu only shows Phone =s May 13 12:29:38 Slai, put = in place of space :P May 13 12:29:54 Corsac: and getting to compare openstreetmap with aerial photos is pretty useful May 13 12:30:03 corecode_: btw I did similar thing several times, e.g. on ZX81 May 13 12:30:16 Corsac: is there a fairly simple map program that you can persistently or temporarily mark points on? May 13 12:30:23 Corsac: (like adding markers to google earth) May 13 12:30:33 between what, so its powerkey=path="/" ? May 13 12:30:46 May 13 12:30:53 I don't think so, but it sure would be a nice addition to maep May 13 12:30:59 thats what it says =s May 13 12:31:05 (mapper/mappero can do it afair but they're heavier too) May 13 12:31:19 [14:23:51] Slai: xml parsing error: not well formed. - May 13 12:31:24 where? :> May 13 12:31:30 ah my bad May 13 12:31:52 mistype on my end, theres an = between path and "/" May 13 12:33:02 trying to fix your device while only having your device to do so with is... a challenge. especially when you havent got the faintest idea how =P May 13 12:34:25 Slai: so was browser helpful? May 13 12:35:10 hey timeless May 13 12:35:28 xml parsing error: not well formed. - May 13 12:36:00 DocScrutinizer: so the L and R channels are connected to gnd via a capacitor May 13 12:36:02 is there actually a - before hm yeah May 13 12:36:17 in the file? May 13 12:36:27 yes =/ May 13 12:36:27 corecode_: hmm May 13 12:36:46 mk too May 13 12:36:48 timeless_mbp: do you use the ovi.com services? May 13 12:36:51 multiple May 13 12:37:00 tybollt: ovi has services? May 13 12:37:01 and are out only May 13 12:37:05 fair enough May 13 12:37:17 sigh... May 13 12:37:18 mk can be switched to be outgoing May 13 12:37:26 corecode_: please do not disturb - looking into hostmode atm. Unless you have a precise question I may answer to you May 13 12:37:28 timeless, i assume from your outrage that there shouldnt be? May 13 12:37:30 tybollt: why? May 13 12:37:41 DocScrutinizer: nevermind then, you go make hostmode work :) May 13 12:37:46 timeless_mbp: it is confusing :) May 13 12:37:51 Slai: that was a calm and polite question :) May 13 12:37:58 you'll know when i'm angry May 13 12:38:03 but yes May 13 12:38:07 timeless_mbp: you usually know things like that so I figured what the hell I'll ask :) May 13 12:38:27 tybollt: oh, ask anyway May 13 12:38:31 hehe ill remove that from all < then? May 13 12:38:40 but i prefer to believe that ovi.com doesn't exist and doesn't have any services May 13 12:39:24 Slai: err May 13 12:39:26 * timeless_mbp sighs May 13 12:39:29 * timeless_mbp wants to see a movie May 13 12:39:30 timeless_mbp: ovi calendar and then there's ovi calendar beta (the latter is free for anyone, no NDA BS). Supposedly there's a way to use the calendar from ovi calendar in ovi calendar beta, but I don't know how. May 13 12:39:38 timeless_mbp: s/see/watch/ May 13 12:39:57 \\o o// \o/ May 13 12:40:34 no clue May 13 12:40:37 ask sp3000 May 13 12:40:48 for unknown reasons he seems willing to look at ovi services May 13 12:41:53 allright, ill assume its all aboot the - May 13 12:42:15 it had them in the file i copied, ill get rid of them all and see if that helps May 13 12:42:38 Slai: you want the browser to be happy about the file May 13 12:42:45 until the browser likes it, there's no point in rebooting May 13 12:42:53 well, I document bugs in ovi services in ovi share occasionally ;) May 13 12:42:54 the browser is your friend :) May 13 12:43:12 cool, appreciate the help, you patient demigod of rainbows and kittens you May 13 12:43:12 sp3000: so, i'm going to a thing at 6pm :( May 13 12:43:23 the browser source is not timeless_mbp friend ;P May 13 12:43:46 which means i can either watch something lame early (date night / from paris with love) May 13 12:43:51 or try for something late May 13 12:43:53 (9pm?) May 13 12:43:56 :( May 13 12:44:03 timeless_mbp: hdmt.net? May 13 12:44:48 how does one get 'points'? May 13 12:44:48 ahahaha yeah now it has no problems with it May 13 12:44:59 timeless_mbp: there are free movies May 13 12:45:00 or so it seems... hm... reboot time. May 13 12:45:19 timeless_mbp: right most tab 'free videos' May 13 12:46:48 * RST38h killed Maemo Mapper. It took time. 40+ seconds of time. And the could not even get locked/unlocked during that time. May 13 12:46:56 * timeless_mbp wonders if that's bugmenot compatible May 13 12:47:07 Whatever that sucker does, cannot be healthy May 13 12:47:23 s/the/the device May 13 12:48:19 hello May 13 12:48:29 ahaha thanks for the help. May 13 12:48:32 any chance of making my n810 usable? May 13 12:48:43 (no, don't tell me "buy an n900") May 13 12:48:49 its up perfect now, it was all aboot that single - May 13 12:49:09 see, the old Diablo is crashing every now and then May 13 12:49:25 Slai: see, the browser is your friend :) May 13 12:49:29 by watchdog May 13 12:49:34 esp. on high cpu usage May 13 12:49:38 timeless is my friend May 13 12:49:51 so, any ideas? May 13 12:49:53 thanks a bunch, been bothering me for days May 13 12:50:03 switching to a better distro is of course nice May 13 12:50:06 and thanks for the browser tip May 13 12:50:11 Looks like there will be a real "production"-like image for the N900 of meego, very cool. May 13 12:50:28 I know n810 is previous gen hardware May 13 12:51:02 http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/05/12/red_sky_liability_ruling/ May 13 12:51:15 so? May 13 12:51:21 any help there? May 13 12:51:40 AstralStorm, have you tried raising watchdok kicker process priority? May 13 12:51:42 and now i feel like i should go about breaking another part of my phone by doing something silly... May 13 12:51:50 alterego: if you mean my mail, it doesn't mean a nokia 'product' May 13 12:52:30 timeless_mbp: potentially awesome - but. May 13 12:52:31 Stskeeps: agreed, but it does sound like they're working hard to make something that is end-user ready at least? May 13 12:52:48 timeless_mbp: I think the only precedent it might set is for software that is demonstrated by a salesperson. May 13 12:52:55 Stskeeps: even if it isn't an "official" upgrade path for end-users. May 13 12:53:02 a proper hardware adaptation, the UX+Core is up to rest of project May 13 12:53:08 timeless_mbp: Which is valuable - but not that relevant for most endusers May 13 12:53:56 smoku: hmmm, isn't it RT already? May 13 12:54:03 if not, then I'll try it May 13 12:54:09 where do I put that in the init script? May 13 12:54:26 the renice May 13 12:54:46 still, it'd be nicer if it didn't swap so hard that watchdog dies May 13 12:54:57 it usually crashes that way on boot May 13 12:55:00 hmmph May 13 12:55:24 well Stskeeps if the apps ontop of the core are not viable the meego project has failed. its meant to allow that sort of thing? May 13 12:55:38 lcuk: i don't know the future May 13 12:56:04 * SpeedEvil does. But he has signed a NDA from Chronos. May 13 12:56:19 me neither but when i get round to writing apps the promise of running on multiple targets would be a goal May 13 12:57:20 ok so this opera mobile now comming May 13 12:57:55 is that one of those silly things that talks to a proxy at opera etc? or is it opera made for a smaller screen? May 13 12:58:21 tybollt, its proper full opera browser, the turbo mode (proxy version) is available but thats not the same May 13 12:58:27 opera used to be on the original NITs May 13 12:58:53 olrite May 13 12:59:10 the 'mobile' part of opera mobile makes me suspicious :) May 13 12:59:36 since for all intents and purposes I use microb and firefuck as I would on a real PC on my device May 13 13:00:04 DocScrutinizer: you know what chip the stereo audio codec (N4040) is? May 13 13:00:19 can't quite read the label on http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/n900_12.jpeg May 13 13:00:42 corecode_: it's documented in the kernel May 13 13:00:46 aic320? May 13 13:00:49 * SpeedEvil forgets May 13 13:00:57 corecode_: lemme check my notes I took May 13 13:01:05 also check n4070 if possible May 13 13:01:18 you got the coords? May 13 13:01:30 W2 and R3 May 13 13:01:35 both back, sim side May 13 13:01:36 mompls May 13 13:01:39 thx May 13 13:02:20 AstralStorm, I don't know. It's just a thought. I've never touch N810 ;-) May 13 13:02:38 still, a good suggestion once it exits the watchdog reboot loop May 13 13:03:09 AstralStorm, IIRC there are also some proc/sys tweaks that controll swapping May 13 13:03:25 hmm May 13 13:03:30 shouldn't swap *at boot* May 13 13:03:33 esp. with swap disabled May 13 13:03:37 but yeah, I'll try those May 13 13:03:51 Heya AstralStorm BTW May 13 13:03:52 what I have problem with is where to put the tweaks, so they're applied on boot May 13 13:03:54 hi May 13 13:04:00 corecode_: W2: TI97A065I (with blurr mask TI97A????) May 13 13:05:04 corecode_: R3??? that's a huge chip May 13 13:05:59 so, any chance I can salvage my n810 May 13 13:06:07 maybe build a fresh distro for it May 13 13:06:08 DocScrutinizer: yea May 13 13:06:17 reinstall diablo, imho May 13 13:06:20 haha May 13 13:06:20 DocScrutinizer: that's the stereo codec May 13 13:06:31 you wish, it's not the first diablo reinstall I've done May 13 13:06:36 it tends to explode quickly May 13 13:06:43 mic in has some opamp circuit May 13 13:06:49 but i don't know opamps enough May 13 13:06:55 prolly not May 13 13:07:06 probably a single transistor amp - it's cheaper May 13 13:07:13 (and sucky) May 13 13:07:26 transistors are no longer cheaper May 13 13:07:38 still are than opamps May 13 13:07:39 if you have to place them on the board in addition to a chip with the function in May 13 13:07:42 nope May 13 13:07:48 (which are tens to hundreds of transistors) May 13 13:07:52 it's an IC May 13 13:08:01 that amp is integrated May 13 13:08:04 corecode_: from /home/jr/Documents/N900/n900/images/n900_11.jpeg N4040 is Texas Instruments TAIC341 May 13 13:08:07 so a single transistor is still cheaper May 13 13:08:12 It's not. May 13 13:08:39 For a low price IC, a large fraction of the price is in the package and pin connections. May 13 13:08:44 yup May 13 13:08:50 Adding functionality is moderately cheap. May 13 13:08:53 still cheaper to cut the opamp May 13 13:09:02 and put a cheap transistor ;p May 13 13:09:17 connection count stays the same or lower May 13 13:09:21 If an opamp costs .1mm^2, and a transistor .001mm^2 - the difference may not be functionally measurable May 13 13:09:38 the power usage might be May 13 13:10:39 gah. May 13 13:10:44 how much is n900 these days? May 13 13:10:57 in .pl? think 2000 zt or something May 13 13:11:08 corecode_: or TA1C341 May 13 13:11:15 I'd prefer the US keyboard though May 13 13:11:40 possible to get here? May 13 13:12:18 DocScrutinizer: thanks May 13 13:12:26 yw May 13 13:12:34 anytime mate May 13 13:12:35 what's that local path? May 13 13:12:43 you have some other pictures? May 13 13:12:57 reverse engineering N900, are you? May 13 13:13:04 nah just my original local copy May 13 13:13:07 also the opamp is covered by shielding May 13 13:13:12 good May 13 13:13:20 hmhm, nice, n900 BT tethering to n810 May 13 13:13:26 but i'll pester somebody else for understanding opamp circuits May 13 13:13:34 AstralStorm: i think the polish keyboard should be fairly close to us one May 13 13:14:07 except the arrows May 13 13:14:15 and the function key May 13 13:14:20 looks like a follower May 13 13:14:31 AstralStorm: hmm? really? May 13 13:15:14 putting .6v on it? May 13 13:15:16 hmm May 13 13:15:22 what's the watchdog process called like on n810 diablo? May 13 13:16:03 corecode_: (opamp) out=(in+ - in-) * 100.000 May 13 13:16:14 yea May 13 13:16:30 there is a voltage divider on in-, with 0.6V May 13 13:16:42 and a resistor from out to in+ May 13 13:16:51 that is the same as the resistor if in- to gnd May 13 13:17:05 Stskeeps, it's very close. 100% same :) May 13 13:17:09 so in idle, mic should be at 0.6V as well May 13 13:17:24 i think May 13 13:18:12 smoku: btw, i'm also warsaw based so if you're up for a beer sometime :) May 13 13:18:13 dammit quick people, I'm in a hurry May 13 13:18:34 which daemon takes care of watchdog prodding in diablo May 13 13:18:39 AstralStorm: dsme May 13 13:18:44 k May 13 13:19:00 AstralStorm: k == thanks? May 13 13:19:07 Man, MicroB REALLY wants focus on the URL bar. . . . May 13 13:19:29 phellarv: no, ok May 13 13:19:34 I'll thank if it works May 13 13:19:37 reniced it -19 May 13 13:19:38 phellarv, "k" == "ok" == "okay" May 13 13:19:48 but I don't have schedtoold there to set it realtime May 13 13:19:50 or fifo May 13 13:20:39 lcuk: Hehe - I knew that - Just thought that a simple thanks could be nice. May 13 13:21:10 he might not have wanted to thank you May 13 13:21:26 I'd thank Stskeeps May 13 13:21:31 still, have to fly May 13 13:21:33 Stskeeps, surely :D May 13 13:21:36 hope this renicing holds May 13 13:21:44 Ofc - Wasn't me he owed a thanks May 13 13:21:44 I'll thank you later ;> May 13 13:22:06 any easy way to set scheduling class on n810? May 13 13:22:11 like, schedtool package May 13 13:22:52 lcuk, more like: k == /ˈkeɪ/ == okay May 13 13:25:32 corecode which partlabel? May 13 13:25:39 N??? May 13 13:26:06 and page? May 13 13:26:32 weird May 13 13:26:38 nicing dsme helped performance May 13 13:26:41 a lot May 13 13:26:51 Stskeeps: thanks :) May 13 13:26:55 and bye May 13 13:27:23 msg me where to add that nice call May 13 13:27:36 smoku: happen to be knowing other n900/n8x0 users in warsaw? May 13 13:28:07 Stskeeps: say, myself May 13 13:28:13 corecode_: N4007 N4008? May 13 13:28:13 arachnist is there too May 13 13:28:17 ? May 13 13:28:23 Stskeeps: /me May 13 13:28:40 i guess it could be cool to organise some sort of meetup - even though i don't speak much polish :P May 13 13:28:50 heh May 13 13:29:41 we'll talk about that later May 13 13:29:47 * AstralStorm runs May 13 13:29:52 Stskeeps, there are 3 in my office :) May 13 13:30:26 one of them ported htop May 13 13:30:43 anyone know if there is a workaround for the 256mb memory limit on qemu arm (versatilepb)? May 13 13:31:08 swap May 13 13:31:10 :) May 13 13:31:44 (swap could be a devicefile on a ramdisk on the host... :)) May 13 13:31:51 corecode_: both are comparators (aka Schmidt triggers), N4007 at 2V5 * (6.8 / (22 + 6.8)) hyteresis +- 1/22 May 13 13:32:08 * DocScrutinizer moos at raster May 13 13:33:19 DocScrutinizer: what's this re: ? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10110 May 13 13:33:20 ? May 13 13:33:21 Bug 10110: Wired headset button does not trigger D-BUS event May 13 13:34:01 corecode_: for N4008 the math is 2V5 * (22 / (22 + 6.8)) hysteresis +- 0.47/22 May 13 13:34:02 DocScrutinizer: doook May 13 13:35:56 raster: ahha! May 13 13:36:00 raster: hmm, I tried swap, but I prefer more internal memory ;-) May 13 13:36:04 SpeedEvil: that's a stupid nobrainer. You need micbias to detect the holdbutton. Thought I commented on that one May 13 13:36:22 pigeon: prrrrprrrr May 13 13:36:30 corecode_: he's just showing off May 13 13:36:35 Omegamoon: you asked for a workaround :) May 13 13:37:04 Omegamoon: make hdimage in tmpfs and use swap on it? May 13 13:37:10 SpeedEvil: see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10110#c4 May 13 13:37:11 Bug 10110: Wired headset button does not trigger D-BUS event May 13 13:37:16 100% ack May 13 13:37:54 You commented in IRC at some point - I don't think... May 13 13:38:18 maybe yes May 13 13:38:28 or on tmo May 13 13:38:31 Omegamoon: versatilepb is done in such way that it cant take more ram then 256MB May 13 13:38:53 anyway, a nobrainer May 13 13:38:56 yeah May 13 13:38:58 INVALID May 13 13:40:36 how? May 13 13:41:05 Polling the hold button with MICBIAS high automagically isn't clearly the wrong thing to do May 13 13:41:56 SpeedEvil: just reading #c5 May 13 13:42:07 but perhaps not the most efficient thing May 13 13:42:18 hrw-uds: 512mb on versatiliepb should be possible according to http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com/msg02088.html May 13 13:42:19 no. May 13 13:42:29 satmd: I'm measuring the micbias current ATM May 13 13:42:34 well - if I can find my phones May 13 13:42:37 oh May 13 13:42:48 the micbias is a) only useful as long as headset is attached. b) spec says it's 2.5V source-Z 2k, do the math by yourself May 13 13:43:22 yes - but what else is alive typically when you do that normally May 13 13:43:23 * raster wonders why people who work professionally as software enigneers.. havent heard of "diff" May 13 13:43:31 and measuring this is moderately easy May 13 13:44:19 raster: or how mail administrators have the worst mailing list netiquette May 13 13:44:43 Omegamoon: lool made ugly patch to get this May 13 13:44:58 Hmm? May 13 13:45:01 are there repositories that I need to manually add to my apt sources.list after installing the SDK? I'm trying to install the OpenGL ES libraries, but it seems like they're not in the repos I have set up May 13 13:45:16 lool: did you? ;-) May 13 13:45:21 SpeedEvil: see http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf p10 LC-0070 May 13 13:45:35 lool: you here too? I will be scaried too much to open fridge... May 13 13:45:48 lool: extra 256MB ram for versatilepb qemu May 13 13:46:08 hmm, is writing to RAM possible? May 13 13:46:13 SpeedEvil: (what else...) mompls, will have a glance at schem May 13 13:46:17 or did I do the installation wrong? May 13 13:46:46 ShadowJK: thank god i dont need to deal with them often.. but i need to talkl with these engineers who dont know what diff is.... :) May 13 13:47:06 aaaaargh May 13 13:47:21 and now they fuck with text encoding too May 13 13:47:34 oh and hooray.. can't format code properly May 13 13:47:39 was thinking of something like hibernating the N900 May 13 13:47:41 (i.e. follow the existiing formatting) May 13 13:47:44 grtrrrrr May 13 13:48:04 bonus points for changing cr/lf for entire file and then comitting it along with some other minor/major changes May 13 13:48:20 Omegamoon: Yeah, so I got it working by moving to 2g/2g IIRC May 13 13:48:26 thank god they dont get to commit May 13 13:48:27 DocScrutinizer: you are on meego-dev btw? mailing list May 13 13:48:29 and moving phys offset around in qemu and in the kernel May 13 13:48:46 Stskeeps: afraid I'm not (yet) May 13 13:48:48 ShadowJK: You want bonus points, use TABs May 13 13:48:49 lool: I tried your patches, but couldn't get them to work. What qemu release did you used the patches on? May 13 13:49:04 Omegamoon: I used them against the Ubuntu package May 13 13:49:08 ShadowJK: And people with heavy, pointed bonus points will surely track you down May 13 13:49:12 Omegamoon: Which patch broke it for you? May 13 13:49:34 DocScrutinizer: think there's a good moment to start constructively to talk about how to deal with BME / open source it May 13 13:49:44 DocScrutinizer: / make open source replacement May 13 13:50:04 Stskeeps: k, you could CC me anyway May 13 13:50:06 Omegamoon: So basically, the PHYS OFFSET change need to be applied in lock step in the kernel and qemu May 13 13:50:22 Omegamoon: I suspect we'll eventually move to beagle instead May 13 13:50:27 Stskeeps: ...until I manage to register to meego-devel May 13 13:50:30 but versatile is more convenient to boot May 13 13:50:41 lool: I tried qemu-git with the tip.patch May 13 13:50:48 tip.patch? May 13 13:50:55 That doesn't sound like something I'd share May 13 13:51:00 DocScrutinizer: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-May/002218.html May 13 13:51:22 Omegamoon: What happens exactly? May 13 13:51:30 lool: it's in here http://people.canonical.com/~lool/qemu-buildd/qemu-patches/ May 13 13:51:43 I guess it's yours ;-) May 13 13:51:59 DocScrutinizer: or at least baby steps, presenting your work and such and where you see things are safe May 13 13:53:01 SpeedEvil: damn, that's a weird construction around N4022 & N4007 / N4008. Anyway there's no additional consumer that's obviously switched by micbias May 13 13:53:01 DocScrutinizer: forking the thread would probably be useful, prefix with N900 May 13 13:54:14 lool: so I should use the 0.10.x.patch on the qemu-ubuntu version then? May 13 13:55:01 DocScrutinizer: yes - I'm trying to measure it - to see what the actual existing software does - rather than what might be done May 13 13:55:05 sorry, was cleaning May 13 13:55:51 * ShadowJK wonders if maemo5 runs without bme (after disabling dsme watchdog over bme) May 13 13:55:52 SpeedEvil: anyway N4007 / N4008 are IRQ generating Schmitt triggers May 13 13:55:57 Though I'm somewhat confused why after flashing, my n900 is using 10mA more than before under idle. May 13 13:56:15 * SpeedEvil must have installed something that's woken some peripheral up. May 13 13:56:24 Stskeeps: darn, that's a unbearable pita to read those non-wrapping HTML-posts May 13 13:57:24 Stskeeps: anyway consider me on board, and feel free to fork the thread (and cc me joerg at openmoko.org) about (jr)bme May 13 13:57:41 What thread is this? May 13 13:57:46 DocScrutinizer: fwiw theres a bug about the non-wrapping at lists.meego.com so hopefully its getting fixed ;) May 13 13:57:48 oh May 13 13:57:52 Stskeeps: I'm missing the right insight in the whole nettiquette on that ML yet May 13 13:59:17 Stskeeps: ...so an answer of me directly to http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-May/002218.html would sound a little odd for sure ATM, as I'm not aware of all the context May 13 13:59:32 well, or wait until it's being looked closer into in jun :P May 13 13:59:33 e May 13 14:02:08 lool: can you give me a link to the working qemu patch then? May 13 14:03:22 so the microphone input is buffered with 33nF May 13 14:06:36 never saw that [Changing host] before May 13 14:12:03 where can I find info about dmsetool? May 13 14:12:33 man dsmetool? nvm, no manuals May 13 14:12:46 * MohammadAG_ slaps crashanddie for coming back May 13 14:12:53 the party was just about to start :( May 13 14:13:00 it's such a pain that there is no manuals on the NITs May 13 14:13:19 it's not a feature. it's a bug... May 13 14:13:35 NITs? May 13 14:13:41 Nokia Internet Tablets May 13 14:14:07 It's what we called the family of 770, n800, n810 before the arrival of the n900 May 13 14:14:44 oh, there's a man-db package *shameless advertising* May 13 14:15:12 corecode_: nevermind a 33nF May 13 14:15:26 MohammadAG: does it restore deleted manpages? May 13 14:15:55 corecode_: aah you meant "is DC-decoupled" May 13 14:16:01 yes May 13 14:16:03 my bad May 13 14:16:15 t-tan, docpurge purges /usr/share/man, I moved the dir to /opt/man May 13 14:16:16 likewise, the headphone out is 1uF decoupled May 13 14:16:19 so what was lost was lost May 13 14:16:49 t-tan, it's not a symlink btw, that would get them purged too May 13 14:16:54 a mandb package? May 13 14:16:55 yey May 13 14:17:02 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52425 May 13 14:17:04 finally May 13 14:17:08 MohammadAG_: that's what I expected May 13 14:17:27 t-tan, if only we can get all packages rebuilt to install to /opt/man :) May 13 14:17:43 t-tan, btw I've uploaded a 14MB pages deb file, it contains the basic Ubuntu man pages May 13 14:17:47 would not killing dsme lead to a reboot or is bme responsible for the watchdogs? May 13 14:18:00 MohammadAG_: ok, thanks. May 13 14:18:20 dsme reboots when bme doesn't exist/respond May 13 14:18:21 t-tan, stop bme stops it May 13 14:18:32 and no reboots should occur May 13 14:19:05 cause I want to disable dsme and not start it during boot May 13 14:20:00 oh, wait dsme source is avaiable :) May 13 14:20:12 .. why would you want to do that May 13 14:20:30 dsme is used to start everything else May 13 14:20:39 I quite like Kernel hacking .. May 13 14:20:45 remove dsme and you kill everything :) May 13 14:20:51 it reboots a kernel that has only USB host, w/o OTG May 13 14:20:53 something I missed on Symbian May 13 14:21:25 there is a dummy bme included in the sources... May 13 14:21:38 corecode_: yep, the amp inputs are decoupled by 1u. Doesn't help much unless you know amp input Z May 13 14:22:14 t-tan, i think it's outdated.. May 13 14:22:52 it's the same version as on LR1.2 May 13 14:23:14 t-tan: I think the BME bootloop is caused by upstart initscripts calling bme -r, or maybe by some side effects via hal etc May 13 14:23:31 t-tan: probably purging DSME won't help May 13 14:24:23 no: boot log says: reboot requested by dmsetool May 13 14:24:49 too bad i don't have a 3 pole connector May 13 14:24:59 or i'd look at the scope May 13 14:25:09 also too bad i don't have a digital storage scope May 13 14:25:16 and there i go buy one May 13 14:25:28 t-tan: [2010-05-13 00:41:14] PP:hald-runer PID:821 hald-addon-usb-cable: listening on /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/usb1/../mode May 13 14:25:47 why ../? May 13 14:26:00 isn't that the same as /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode May 13 14:26:04 don't ask ME May 13 14:26:15 prolly yes May 13 14:26:30 yeah lol May 13 14:26:31 Nokia-N900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/usb1/../mode May 13 14:26:31 b_idle May 13 14:26:31 Nokia-N900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode May 13 14:26:31 b_idle May 13 14:27:02 sure, you bet I did this ~2010-05-13 00:20 May 13 14:27:16 ;-D May 13 14:27:50 if you want to play with a USBhost-only kernel: http://maemory.com/N900/kernel/testing3/ May 13 14:28:02 fbcon is enabled May 13 14:28:13 YAY May 13 14:28:51 an uninstall .desktop file? May 13 14:29:04 t-tan: is it booting? May 13 14:29:12 LOL May 13 14:29:19 it boots to a certain stage. then dmse reboots May 13 14:29:35 bah May 13 14:29:51 you considered to kick the 'bme -r' lines out of the upstart scripts? May 13 14:29:52 wouldn't disabling the watchdog help? May 13 14:30:06 so I far I've tried to bme pre-script which access some usb stuff May 13 14:30:22 t-tan: ...or better, in / coment out *all* calls to bme? May 13 14:30:35 Bin / comment May 13 14:30:42 emulators would be *so* much easier if we had more buttons May 13 14:31:09 well, computer emulators May 13 14:31:15 is there any app to download backgrounds and set them ? May 13 14:31:19 for n900 ? May 13 14:31:31 for example from flickr . May 13 14:31:39 or start bme under strace, in init/upstart, and write the debug to a file May 13 14:31:40 example: backgrounds for android/ifone May 13 14:31:46 just download them and set as background May 13 14:31:48 no need for an app May 13 14:31:55 preferrably one that can be read out later ;-P May 13 14:32:32 just rebooting... May 13 14:33:06 have you guys been bombarded lately with foos who bricked their n900 trying to do illegal things? May 13 14:33:16 it continues !!! May 13 14:33:19 t-tan, is there any way of decompiling a compiled kernel? May 13 14:33:31 illegal things like what May 13 14:33:47 *points to the topic* May 13 14:33:50 I'm running a hostmode-only kernel May 13 14:34:11 putting on unofficial 1.2 May 13 14:34:50 slingr, we prefer not to talk about it :) May 13 14:35:02 I am on 1.2 packages though (not LR) May 13 14:35:08 t-tan: what coninues?? the kernel booted up to full system? May 13 14:35:18 yes. success! May 13 14:35:20 Yeah, you are a dev tho right? May 13 14:35:37 t-tan: you're MAD May 13 14:35:40 :-D May 13 14:35:40 I wonder if anyone would for this Nokia-N8:~# uname May 13 14:35:41 Linux May 13 14:35:49 slingr, nope May 13 14:35:52 meh May 13 14:35:56 I was debating loading that leaked one, but logic told me otherwise. I figure, PR1.2 isn't released yet for a reason May 13 14:36:03 Nokia-NXX:~# is where it's at May 13 14:36:04 :P May 13 14:36:05 I'm just itching to get wifi at work May 13 14:36:08 PLEASE t-tan first thing dmesg|pastebinit May 13 14:36:11 and its WPA EAP-TLS encrypted May 13 14:36:26 which 1.1 has troubles with, unless I want to run authentication through command line each time May 13 14:36:31 N8 is beautiful looking. Check the pics. May 13 14:37:07 Stskeeps, May 13 14:37:07 won't it have S^3? :-( May 13 14:37:08 Nokia-N10:~# uname May 13 14:37:08 Mac OSX May 13 14:37:10 happy? :P May 13 14:37:28 n10? May 13 14:37:31 huuuuh May 13 14:37:44 at least someone fell for that one May 13 14:37:45 XD May 13 14:38:00 * tybollt trouts mohamma May 13 14:38:00 s May 13 14:38:01 d May 13 14:38:06 wow, that N8 is pretty nice.. when is it released May 13 14:38:25 * MohammadAG_ points and laughs at tybollt May 13 14:38:44 ok, everything is under http://maemory.com/N900/kernel/hostmode/ May 13 14:39:02 dmesg, my modified bme upstart script and the kernel May 13 14:39:27 * tybollt rolls mohammad in tar and throws him to the crowd for the feathering :) May 13 14:41:27 oh, USB charing is broken May 13 14:41:42 well I guess I need a .fiasco with a working one May 13 14:42:41 MohammadAG_: USB charging is broken on the N10, eh? ;) May 13 14:43:12 tybollt, we got rid of that, now it's an N11 with Windows 8 May 13 14:43:25 neat May 13 14:43:35 will it be charging by electricity OTA? May 13 14:44:26 no, it will be powered by human energy May 13 14:44:34 uh oh May 13 14:44:36 the matrix May 13 14:44:37 so when the battery low's expecting something May 13 14:44:37 * tybollt runs May 13 14:44:38 bad May 13 14:50:09 I'm having trouble installing the OpenGL ES libraries. http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL-ES#Installation tells me to install libgles2-sgx-img-dev, but I just get "E: Couldn't find package libgles2-sgx-img-dev" May 13 14:52:46 http://www.wolfire.com/humble Humble Indie Bundle received over 1 million USD in donations, is opening-up sources to a bunch of cool games. Porters, fire up your SDKs! May 13 14:53:41 Pekuja_, sec May 13 14:53:46 think I have it in my archives May 13 14:53:54 MohammadAG_: great. thanks :-) May 13 14:56:19 MohammadAG_: I'd really rather figure out why it's not in my repos though. May 13 14:57:48 Pekuja_, no one has it, I just keep archives of stuff I downloaded May 13 14:58:02 no one has it? May 13 14:58:19 Pekuja_, not unless they have it in /var/cache/apt/archives May 13 14:58:24 but most people clear that May 13 14:58:29 I keep it after flashing May 13 14:58:45 yeah but why would no one have it? May 13 14:58:57 no idea, it's not on the repos anymore May 13 14:59:00 libgles2-sgx-img_0.20091104.30+0m5_armel.deb <-- this? May 13 14:59:08 yeah I think that's it. May 13 14:59:14 why is it gone from the repos? May 13 14:59:41 lol no idea May 13 15:00:23 http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/libgles2-sgx-img_0.20091104.30_0m5_armel.deb May 13 15:00:25 Pekuja_, I just reinstalled it without problems May 13 15:00:33 had to change the + to _ though May 13 15:00:37 are you on a correct SDK target? May 13 15:00:50 pj waot May 13 15:00:54 smoku: does it only work on ARMEL? May 13 15:00:55 pj? May 13 15:00:57 oh wait* May 13 15:01:02 you need the -dev package May 13 15:01:04 no idea about that May 13 15:01:14 don't have it, that package is for the N900 May 13 15:01:29 ok :-/ May 13 15:01:58 Pekuja_, yes. on X86 you have emulation libraries instead May 13 15:02:03 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-cache search libgles2-sgx-img-dev May 13 15:02:04 libgles2-sgx-img-dev - OpenGL ES 2.0 SGX development files May 13 15:02:04 opengles-sgx-img-common-dev - PowerVR SGX support development files May 13 15:03:27 MohammadAG_: so they are in the repos May 13 15:03:39 the -dev packages yes May 13 15:04:50 anyways, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/libgles2-sgx-img-dev_0.20091104.30_0m5_armel.deb May 13 15:05:14 MohammadAG_: what's in your sources.list? May 13 15:06:14 Pekuja_, expires in 10 minutes http://pastebin.com/yXcbY7Wy May 13 15:06:32 ok, thanks May 13 15:06:37 hmm May 13 15:06:54 if you don't have the token part go to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php / you didn't follow the SDK installation instructions if you don't have it May 13 15:07:03 I do have one May 13 15:07:19 fremantle/GETYOUROWNTOKEN! ?? May 13 15:07:22 oh ty May 13 15:07:26 Omegamoon: Ok, well these patches worked for me, but you also need to apply these http://people.canonical.com/~lool/qemu-buildd/linux-patches/ May 13 15:07:40 I think perhaps Ubuntu 10.04 just doesn't run the SDK very well May 13 15:07:49 well May 13 15:08:02 probably not the reason I'm having trouble installing the libraries May 13 15:08:25 but I'm having problems with Xephyr and installing the SDK in the first place required some fiddling May 13 15:09:43 like what? May 13 15:11:03 well Ubuntu has a different version of Xephyr May 13 15:11:12 so start_xephyr.sh doesn't work May 13 15:11:43 but ok, it seems like I can get the libraries with apt now. I was just using the FREMANTLE_X86 target May 13 15:11:45 which doesn't have that May 13 15:27:45 ALL BY MYSELF May 13 15:27:47 DON'T WANNA BE May 13 15:27:50 ALL BY MYSELFFFFFF May 13 15:28:28 <_berto_> hawai`i: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_B5UrI7nAI May 13 15:29:35 This better not be a rickroll May 13 15:30:12 L M F A O May 13 15:30:14 what is license of the meamo source code? May 13 15:31:04 hawai`i: feeling good? May 13 15:31:17 ahaaha May 13 15:32:00 smhar: I want to say, a lot of it is (L)GPL May 13 15:33:12 smhar its distributed under Microsofts EULA May 13 15:33:53 lol NPL May 13 15:33:58 Nokia Public License :) May 13 15:34:04 j/k May 13 15:35:01 smhar: the imporant parts are all proprietary, etc May 13 15:36:02 except what they're legally required to open May 13 15:36:05 like kernel modifications May 13 15:37:20 luke-jr, so what the developers are using are just the API to the system? May 13 15:37:48 The official ones, yeah. May 13 15:39:38 hawai`i, you mean official developers or official API? May 13 15:40:01 Both. May 13 15:41:08 so stuff in http://www.nokian900applications.com/ and http://my-maemo.com/software/ are using the official API? May 13 15:42:17 What is the point of these questions? May 13 15:42:35 I don't want to say, there is no real "API" for Maemo like there is for other platforms May 13 15:42:48 but there really isn't. IPC is done through dbus May 13 15:43:08 there really is, when it comes to GUI :/ May 13 15:43:30 I had hope when Maemo planned on switching to Qt May 13 15:43:32 But it's not a required necessity May 13 15:43:40 there's GTK on Hildon and QT May 13 15:43:43 but it looks like it's just going to destroy Qt by making a Maemo-specific API for it May 13 15:43:56 and you can do it through almost any language or interpretor May 13 15:44:19 hawai`i: APIs aren't necessarily language-specific May 13 15:45:49 Yes and no. May 13 15:49:26 what APIs are you guys are talking about ? What's the API to, say, Ubuntu ? May 13 15:50:05 Exactly. May 13 15:50:11 That is what I am trying to get at. May 13 15:58:03 chem|st: around? May 13 16:00:27 achipa: Ubuntu just uses standard APIs, plus GTK/GNOME May 13 16:00:33 N900: apt-cache pkgnames | sort -u | wc -l 7715 packages My debian box: 38484 Nice job #maemo community and Nokia May 13 16:00:38 Maemo has its own APIs in addition May 13 16:04:44 Anyone have experince with gtk 2.16 or newer on Maemo5? (n900) May 13 16:04:47 is it even possible.. May 13 16:06:13 Appiah, possible yes. but you can't properly install it since you can't replace system packages May 13 16:06:48 ie. you need to force it via dpkg May 13 16:07:02 hmm =/ May 13 16:08:03 trying to compile something that requires 2.16 or newer May 13 16:09:33 hey May 13 16:10:05 Appiah: should be trivial, you need to apply Hildon patches, they should go in cleanly May 13 16:10:46 oh May 13 16:10:56 I know nothing about that, can you point me in the right direction? May 13 16:13:05 grab the source package from the repository May 13 16:13:20 you should know how to get the url May 13 16:13:28 otherwise, you should ask someone instead May 13 16:13:55 AstralStorm, still it can't go into Extras May 13 16:14:08 bewhy? May 13 16:14:08 the bot would reject it May 13 16:14:15 why would it? May 13 16:14:16 because you can't replace system packages May 13 16:14:19 ah right May 13 16:14:26 because the deps are broken as usual May 13 16:14:32 nokia can't package properly May 13 16:14:47 I tried once accidentally with a package which I thought were community May 13 16:15:38 Unless you were to rename all files and linking but that's complex in the case of gtk May 13 16:19:42 terve konttori May 13 16:19:51 hi May 13 16:19:54 sup? May 13 16:19:55 what's latest? :) May 13 16:20:50 for what? pr1.2 release? Afaik, date is set, and has been told even to ovi store developers even. May 13 16:21:21 a May 13 16:21:33 but then again, I didn't participate in the finalization of that (as that took place on my daddy month), and then I was immediately dragged to harmattan / meego work May 13 16:22:52 konttori: not for anything in particular, anything and everything... :) May 13 16:23:12 AstralStorm: im sorry ,what source are you talking about? May 13 16:23:36 oh, hmm... well, I have been looking at the API story a bit and I'm pretty concerned about some issues in our vanilla qt offering in harmattan. May 13 16:23:42 konttori: hmmm so you still regard of harm and meeg as diff projects... that's very interesting in the context of things. :) May 13 16:24:03 I'm sure we can fix it still, but for some reason seems like no one has really thought things through for vanilla qt devving. May 13 16:24:21 <-- silly user reading way too much into everything konttori says ;) May 13 16:24:38 well, harmattan is based on well... harmattan lower layers, and it has debian packaging. May 13 16:25:02 whereas meego will be based on basically the moblin lower layers (+ some stuff), and rpm packaging May 13 16:25:15 so, those things alone justify calling them different beasts. May 13 16:25:17 konttori, who do we need to talk to about Fremantle stuff now? May 13 16:25:27 talk to rodarvus May 13 16:25:30 Or is that just a total dead end at this point? :) May 13 16:25:49 Hello folks May 13 16:26:04 tybollt, MeeGo Devices vs MeeGo Operations May 13 16:26:15 tybollt, it's a beautiful sort of confusing. May 13 16:26:24 GAN900: no, the development is not over, and we want to focus now still on the visible issues for end users. May 13 16:26:33 but do talk to rodarvus. May 13 16:26:42 OK May 13 16:27:17 * GAN900 wishes Modest wouldn't put signatures BEFORE the quoted text. . . May 13 16:28:15 I think that's a matter of taste May 13 16:28:23 are there any other devices that run maemo except of nokia n900? May 13 16:28:30 I personally would like it before the quoted text (I always sign there). May 13 16:28:41 Take0n: some chinese copy products May 13 16:28:42 but that's it May 13 16:29:12 GAN900: =) May 13 16:30:06 hm.. I would like to contribute to the maemo project in any way May 13 16:30:08 but doesn May 13 16:30:20 but doesn't own a nokia n900.. are there any other ways to do so without the phone? May 13 16:30:41 maybe translate applications etc? I speak English, greek and swedish May 13 16:31:21 with SDK? May 13 16:31:39 ooo shiny.. new opera looks nice. May 13 16:31:41 does anyone know if Nokia has any luck tracking down the annoying browser bug that delayed PR1.2? May 13 16:32:01 twoboxen: which bug? May 13 16:32:18 it is really nice, though it randomly slows down network traffic and doesn't have flash May 13 16:32:45 konttori: the browser memory leak that was hard to reproduce May 13 16:33:00 mentioned on a nokia blog a week or two ago May 13 16:33:28 twoboxen: well, one leak was caused by SSO for every page that didn't support SSO. Leak size was up to 128 kb per page load (although usually smaller). May 13 16:33:38 that was trivial fix though. May 13 16:33:57 but could be that the leaked 12-9 didn't have that fix (can't remember if it did or not) May 13 16:34:19 funnily enough that sso issue also leaked on every click of page. May 13 16:34:21 konttori: new opera looks nice and ... closed source. May 13 16:34:30 konttori: perhaps I misheard. yeah, there are definite bugs (i've heard, I don't run it) in that browser build, but I thought there was something else May 13 16:34:43 well, many things are great while they are closed source. May 13 16:34:45 but why should users of N900 care about open source code, right? May 13 16:34:57 tybollt: closed, yeah, but it's always nice to have choices May 13 16:35:01 I enjoy games immensely and they are all closed source. May 13 16:35:35 competition is always good. It is the engine of progress. May 13 16:35:56 so, if opera is great, perhaps the next version of fennec will strive to be even better. May 13 16:36:00 konttori: how is the meego UI dev sprint going? May 13 16:36:12 konttori: new fennec beta isn't all that bad ;P May 13 16:36:18 yeah, i ditched fennec when the weave functionality NEVER worked for me May 13 16:36:19 ~curse users May 13 16:36:21 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, users ! May 13 16:36:30 ~nuke ms exchange May 13 16:36:31 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at ms exchange ... B☢☢M! May 13 16:36:37 frals: HUGGZ!1111 to you too May 13 16:36:55 OMG May 13 16:36:57 twoboxen: what UI dev sprint (sorry, I am not yet following meego activities) May 13 16:36:59 infobot's back! May 13 16:37:04 * MohammadAG celebrates May 13 16:37:12 are we to understand users sent you viruses that pwned your ms exhange server frals? May 13 16:37:20 ;) May 13 16:37:22 no May 13 16:37:47 sorry, maybe that question shouldn't have been directed at you. I know they are pushing hard with meego dev to have a 1.0 release this month and the previous was UI-less May 13 16:37:52 virII! May 13 16:37:53 we are to understand that my exchange server has stopped receiving for some unknown reason and instead they go to my backup mx May 13 16:38:14 * RST38h puts on his grammar nazi hat May 13 16:38:21 but for some reason the smtp actually works fine on my exchange server so i have no clue why other servers are sending to the backup mx May 13 16:38:22 * MohammadAG shoots it May 13 16:38:53 twoboxen: interesting thought. To be honest, I'm not sure. Is that the handheld meego delivery? May 13 16:39:18 i am just guessing (no real insider information), but i would think so May 13 16:39:34 as if it's that, then it would be visually probably based on harmattan codebase. May 13 16:39:43 hey , I installed Flashlight applet, 3G/2G/DUAL mode selection applet , SSH status applet, brighness applet but I display all applets May 13 16:39:45 exactly May 13 16:39:57 well, "starving" tables do not work for me (i get sw_rst, not 32_wd, though). back to xlv. May 13 16:40:02 which reminds me to mention that we have now started the preparations for the alpha sdk release. May 13 16:40:17 how I can diseable applet because this is limit number applet display right? May 13 16:40:20 who is "we" May 13 16:40:30 Unfortunately, qt4.7 will not be in the alpha sdk yet. May 13 16:40:49 as you all know 4.7 isn't yet released, so... well, we could not include it there yet. May 13 16:40:55 it'll be in beta though. May 13 16:41:00 why is 4.7 necessary... what does it add to qt4.6? an expanded QtMobility? May 13 16:41:12 qt quick. May 13 16:41:16 that's what it adds May 13 16:41:23 and some perf improvements in general May 13 16:41:54 and as you all know, qt quick is the best thing to happen to linux development for a long time May 13 16:42:17 hmmm May 13 16:42:35 best thing after Java? =) May 13 16:42:37 * RST38h ducks May 13 16:43:00 java is great, but it never had good Ui development possibilities. May 13 16:43:03 what is qt quick exactly? May 13 16:43:17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NK4zeAe5-Y May 13 16:43:19 watching it now May 13 16:43:39 Qt Flash! May 13 16:43:46 http://qt.nokia.com/developer/qt-qtcreator-prerelease May 13 16:43:55 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/declarativeui.html May 13 16:44:21 Actually: http://jryannel.wordpress.com/ May 13 16:44:29 answer to WPF May 13 16:44:35 is what it seems like May 13 16:45:15 XAML vs QML May 13 16:46:05 zaheerm: Qt is a cross-platform programming language based on C++, but with standards for networking and GUI May 13 16:46:21 i know qt didn't know qt quick May 13 16:46:40 so QML will replace the .ui files? May 13 16:46:55 Qt is a programing language? Really? May 13 16:47:06 twoboxen: it will replace all code really related to UI. May 13 16:47:38 Sounds more like answer to either Flash or Android May 13 16:47:48 well, it is. May 13 16:48:01 i.e. create UI in some interpreted language, then do heavy stuff in c/c++ May 13 16:48:02 it allows designer driven development May 13 16:48:24 And that's supposed to be a good thing?-) May 13 16:48:55 yes. and very little really ever needs to be done on c++ side for a normal app (well, outside of the already existing c++ interfaces). May 13 16:49:29 RST38h: if you consider C++ a programming language, you have to consider Qt one as well May 13 16:49:43 so we're talking about programming now, is vim really worth the learning curve or should i just use eclipse? May 13 16:49:49 hahah May 13 16:49:54 omar: if it's vim vs eclipse, definitely vim May 13 16:49:57 Eclipse sucks May 13 16:50:37 so what kind of things should i do to vim to make c++ development easy? so far i've downloaded omnicppcomplete and ctags May 13 16:50:51 konttori: will qt quick only be supported on qt 4.7? May 13 16:50:59 hawai`i's here again May 13 16:51:01 * MohammadAG leaves May 13 16:51:06 yes. May 13 16:51:17 omar: no May 13 16:51:17 * ShadowJK suggests using /ignore May 13 16:51:22 omar: pico. May 13 16:51:31 * luke-jr glares at RST38h May 13 16:51:31 konttori, and will this hit maemo 5 in any supported capacity? May 13 16:51:36 pico is non-free May 13 16:51:36 the qt declarative module available as preview on 4.6 is not compatible with the final version in 4.7 May 13 16:51:40 problems? May 13 16:51:45 zaheerm: it will hit it. May 13 16:51:49 ShadowJK, what good would that do :P May 13 16:51:51 luke: nano. May 13 16:51:54 RST38h: ok May 13 16:51:58 DocScrutinizer, nope, not that I noticed May 13 16:51:59 immediately when 1.2 goes out, 4.7 hits extras-devel May 13 16:52:12 [2010-05-13 18:51:18] * ShadowJK suggests using /ignore May 13 16:52:14 and it rains frogs =) May 13 16:52:22 and we'll have the same autobuilder problems :P May 13 16:52:23 why nano? no one i see talks about nano, everyone seems to love vim May 13 16:52:36 omar: vim is for the power user. but nano is easy May 13 16:52:37 DocScrutinizer, 4 lines up, I was only jk May 13 16:52:38 normally UI languages are interpreted at compile-time May 13 16:52:43 omar: that is because nano does not require advicacy May 13 16:52:44 konttori, so wt 4.7 will come as part of an official future public release or will we have to rely on it being in extras? May 13 16:52:45 aah k May 13 16:52:46 advocacy May 13 16:52:56 DocScrutinizer: is omar a troll? May 13 16:52:57 if someone can't use nano "out of the box", then they shouldn't be using computers :P May 13 16:53:04 i'm a troll!? May 13 16:53:11 crashanddie: how can I tell? May 13 16:53:12 what makes you say that ;) May 13 16:53:14 omar: maybe. how tall are you? May 13 16:53:18 lol May 13 16:53:18 5'4'' May 13 16:53:24 maybe he's a dwarf May 13 16:53:26 well, ok, you are a small, meek troll May 13 16:53:29 HOLY CRAP. TROLL! May 13 16:53:29 wasn't in this chan for some 30min now May 13 16:53:31 ju/k May 13 16:53:34 like gorlum or something May 13 16:53:35 OH HAI MohammadAG May 13 16:53:42 i think i'm taller than gollum ;D May 13 16:53:49 OH CRAP he saw it May 13 16:53:50 gollum is a hobbit, not a troll May 13 16:53:51 are you counting the hunch? May 13 16:53:52 what May 13 16:53:56 Hahaha May 13 16:54:01 on a related note May 13 16:54:08 when is dwarf fortress gonna be available on maemo (jk) May 13 16:54:14 lol May 13 16:54:23 on a vaguely related note May 13 16:54:30 would anyone pay for a port of Armagetron to Maemo? May 13 16:54:52 nice my isp all of a sudden decided to block port 25 \o/ May 13 16:54:56 what's arma(*presses tab*) May 13 16:55:03 LOL frals May 13 16:55:08 what, you mean the game that has been free for decades at a time, and you want people to pay for it luke-jr ? May 13 16:55:21 crashanddie: yeah, that one ;) May 13 16:55:25 lol May 13 16:55:48 i would pay upwards of $0.00 May 13 16:55:49 zaheerm: afaik, it's there on the one after pr1.2 May 13 16:55:52 crashanddie: so because I develop for gratis in 2005, I have to do it for gratis in 2010? May 13 16:55:57 frals: http://xkcd.com/705/ May 13 16:56:00 konttori, great May 13 16:56:28 luke-jr: you didn't develop squat shit, it's been ported a billion times and a half, there are gazillion clones out there, I'm pretty sure there's a javascript clone somehwere May 13 16:56:48 crashanddie: clones aren't Armagetron May 13 16:56:52 luke-jr: in other words: porters should *never* ask for money May 13 16:56:53 easy fellas May 13 16:57:03 crashanddie: then maybe it won't get ported May 13 16:57:16 so be it, it sucks anyhow May 13 16:57:18 crashanddie: aren't porters the ones who carry your bags? I think it's customary to tip May 13 16:57:19 LOL May 13 16:57:20 lol @ DocScrutinizer May 13 16:57:22 porting isn't developing. May 13 16:57:34 lol twoboxen May 13 16:57:38 crashanddie: the Armagetron community begs to differ, I think May 13 16:57:46 oh, all 3 of them? May 13 16:57:51 lol May 13 16:57:59 crashanddie: try over 100 servers online at any one time May 13 16:58:05 populated? May 13 16:58:15 twoboxen: no, I think it's 20 on average that are used :) May 13 16:58:22 with tumbleweeds May 13 16:58:23 up to 32 players each May 13 16:58:36 what % of that community has n900s? May 13 16:58:42 probably not May 13 16:58:43 none* May 13 16:58:45 Well, I guess geeks need something to do between wanking sessions May 13 16:58:50 1/3? May 13 16:58:52 right... there's your business case May 13 16:58:59 porting is developing. May 13 16:59:03 they want iPhone ports ;P May 13 16:59:04 no it's not May 13 16:59:07 konttori: I missed the answer from r* (forgot the nick)? May 13 16:59:08 it's porting May 13 16:59:09 crashanddie, when's the next session? May 13 16:59:12 It may be low-level developing, but it still is. May 13 16:59:16 MohammadAG: dunno May 13 16:59:16 reverse engineering is developing May 13 16:59:22 no it's not May 13 16:59:23 MohammadAG: stopped synching the google calendar May 13 16:59:24 twoboxen: porting OpenGL SDL to OpenGL ES Qt is development May 13 16:59:25 haha May 13 16:59:28 DocScrutinizer: rodarvus is his nick. May 13 16:59:30 crashanddie, lol May 13 16:59:31 lol twoboxen :D May 13 16:59:33 rodrigo novo real name May 13 16:59:51 actually, a N900 port would probably mostly consist of optimization May 13 16:59:57 aaah, that's why my userlist didn't help me out May 13 17:00:01 Armagetron is CPU-bound on my desktop system, and averages 110 fps May 13 17:00:03 :( May 13 17:00:31 * MohammadAG gets 300fps on compiz May 13 17:00:38 roffle May 13 17:00:42 then my graphics card died May 13 17:00:46 I can't imagine Compiz is *ever* CPU bound May 13 17:00:53 konttori: (or anybody else) do you know if rodarvus answered wrt modem Engineering Mode? May 13 17:01:07 * MohammadAG misses his GPU May 13 17:01:20 running on sw emulation, windows doesn't even boot up May 13 17:01:25 Catalyst versus CUDA May 13 17:01:27 DocScrutinizer: try again tomorrow. May 13 17:01:28 someone else say something dumb so i can make fun May 13 17:01:29 is there any way to find out which carrier has the strongest signal in my area May 13 17:01:31 i'm bored at work May 13 17:01:42 twoboxen, you're fired May 13 17:01:43 twoboxen: MSPAINT is for professionals May 13 17:01:54 trumee: look at their coverage maps. May 13 17:01:58 konttori: ok, thanks. Also will leave him a /msgserv note May 13 17:02:02 without buying every carriers sim of course May 13 17:02:06 trumee: well, if you're in the US, you only really have one choice for N900 May 13 17:02:10 trumee: you can probably get 1 month trials for most providers May 13 17:02:12 * MohammadAG uses /memoserv May 13 17:02:15 luke-jr: hardly. May 13 17:02:16 ms for short May 13 17:02:39 twoboxen: get a new job May 13 17:02:40 luke-jr: in the UK May 13 17:02:40 MSPAINT is a God among men May 13 17:02:44 i am soon May 13 17:02:47 MohammadAG: yeah prolly better idea May 13 17:02:56 i was laid off a couple years ago... taking effect in 2 months May 13 17:03:12 waiting until i can collect severance to start interviewing May 13 17:03:13 twoboxen: cool May 13 17:03:18 t-mobile sim gives me "sim not recognised" crap. May 13 17:03:20 Reminds me of Office Space May 13 17:03:23 yup May 13 17:03:32 twoboxen: I quit my job about two weeks ago May 13 17:03:36 on the UK firmware May 13 17:03:44 i will be taking everything with me that isn't bolted down (or is bolted down too tightly) May 13 17:03:44 started sending out CVs and contacting old friends to get interviews May 13 17:03:57 crashanddie: what did you do? May 13 17:04:02 Take the water cooler for good conversation. May 13 17:04:10 o, i'm good... i have at least two companies waiting with offers May 13 17:04:11 security expert for banks and governments May 13 17:04:23 people always need that. you'll be good May 13 17:04:38 nha, don't want to do it anymore May 13 17:04:42 looking at other stuff May 13 17:04:48 yeah screw security. who needs it May 13 17:04:53 lol May 13 17:04:57 not me May 13 17:04:58 why sim is not recognised!!! it has been 6 months that N900 is out May 13 17:05:07 omar, we need security FROM you May 13 17:05:07 trumee: sorry? May 13 17:05:16 LOL May 13 17:05:29 trumee: sounds like a dodgy SIM, not a problem with the N900 May 13 17:05:39 are you putting it in upside down? May 13 17:05:45 that makes it tougher May 13 17:05:45 crashanddie: my PAYG t-mobile sim doesnt work. it works in N95 May 13 17:06:22 trumee: try licking the terminals May 13 17:06:31 trumee: try a friend's sim May 13 17:06:38 trumee: try another SIM May 13 17:06:45 trumee, try another n900 May 13 17:06:53 trumee: buy me a pizza May 13 17:06:57 trumee: TRY ANOTHER PLANET May 13 17:07:04 trumee: try another day May 13 17:07:08 crashanddie: yup tried two other sims of other carriers, they work May 13 17:07:09 trumee: sudo make me a sandwich May 13 17:07:10 queue :bond music May 13 17:07:32 trumee, try another channel May 13 17:07:35 trumee: seems like a SIM issue then. Seriously, just go to the local t-mobile shop, and tell them the SIM card is deffective May 13 17:07:42 trumee: did you try licking the terminals yet? May 13 17:07:46 aquatix: sudo: please enter your IRC password May 13 17:07:50 yep, t-mobile should take care of that May 13 17:07:51 luke-jr: !!!!!!!!! May 13 17:07:51 trumee, put whipped creme on b4 licking May 13 17:07:52 trumee: they just need to reinitialise a card, costs them like 10 quid May 13 17:07:54 crashanddie, that's the polite way of doing it May 13 17:08:07 DocScrutinizer: it's ohaimakemeasammich May 13 17:08:28 i had a problem with october-made n900 and old 5V sim May 13 17:08:37 crashanddie: will call them up May 13 17:08:38 the same sim works ok in modern n900's May 13 17:08:43 crashanddie: i would like to add that the most effective way to make your point is to dip the SIM in sick dog feces and fling it in their face before requesting a replacement May 13 17:09:03 trumee: don't bother calling, they'll convince you to pay for something May 13 17:09:03 /ns ghost aquatix ohaimakemeasammich May 13 17:09:03 that way they know how important it is May 13 17:09:03 twoboxen, i'd love to do that to my carrier May 13 17:09:04 * MohammadAG gets two cars and puts aquatix in between, then floors the pedals May 13 17:09:12 trumee: just go to a shop and ask them to exchange it May 13 17:09:14 you are now a sammich May 13 17:09:27 crashanddie: ok. May 13 17:09:27 mmmh sammich May 13 17:09:31 * tybollt is drooling now May 13 17:09:48 how do you do IRC status messages like ^ May 13 17:10:00 twoboxen: /me say something May 13 17:10:02 * omar dies May 13 17:10:05 * DocScrutinizer has quit (i don't like tuna) May 13 17:10:07 * twoboxen figures it out May 13 17:10:18 * twoboxen thanks crashanddie May 13 17:10:25 * Arkenoi has a SIM with two imsi/ki pairs, the problem is i can only use the first one on n900: i need to select the active pair via sim menu (which is not supported) and n900 resets sim when i insert it so that the first one is active again May 13 17:10:27 don't use it too often though May 13 17:10:40 * twoboxen is using it for the last time. promise May 13 17:10:40 if i do select second one on a different handset May 13 17:10:42 * aquatix thinks you couldn't use it too often May 13 17:11:03 * omar castrates twoboxen, just to make sure May 13 17:11:28 * twoboxen is ball-less now. and a liar since i did it again May 13 17:11:41 can N900 copy a SIM to a file for later use? May 13 17:11:42 I wonder who's *!*@62.219.120.20 May 13 17:11:49 <-- May 13 17:11:50 maybe copy multiple SIMs and use them concurrently? May 13 17:11:52 twoboxen: you should talk in the 3rd person way if you use /me ;) May 13 17:11:54 nah, I wonder how to find out May 13 17:11:55 luke-jr: i doubt it May 13 17:11:59 luke-jr: nope May 13 17:11:59 <-- May 13 17:12:04 not even simple ones? May 13 17:12:06 though some phones surely could do May 13 17:12:12 luke-jr: nope May 13 17:12:13 <-- @ DocScrutinizer May 13 17:12:15 aquatix: damn, you're right. by jov I think he's got it May 13 17:12:16 I know there's some "smart SIMs", but IIRC some aren't... May 13 17:12:18 you can get SIM readers May 13 17:12:39 luke-jr: well, maybe very simple ones, but AFAIK, all recent ones have a private sector that can't be accessed May 13 17:12:41 Your carriers switch to asplode if you do that. May 13 17:12:43 i've seen old siemens hacked firmware that did crack sim authentication on-device and it could operate without sim at all May 13 17:12:48 crashanddie: is it another proprietary-nokia-won't-let-us-do-it problem? May 13 17:12:52 emulating one in the phone itself May 13 17:13:05 luke-jr: BLASPHEMY. NOKIA ONLY USES OPEN SOURCE /s May 13 17:13:12 *cough* May 13 17:13:17 luke-jr: dunno, but even if you had access to the card, it would be the card not answering to those kind of requests May 13 17:13:17 twoboxen: nonsense, Maemo is a closed OS May 13 17:13:18 luke-jr: SIM has a crypto algo built in, you can't copy May 13 17:13:25 Yes you can May 13 17:13:26 luke-jr++ May 13 17:13:30 luke-jr: notice the "/s" May 13 17:13:31 You simply brute force the KI May 13 17:13:37 maemo certainly is May 13 17:13:38 hawai`i: nope, on new ones you can't May 13 17:13:42 crashanddie: so basically, it's not that it can't, but that there's no "simple ones" anymore? :( May 13 17:13:45 Yes you can. May 13 17:13:54 luke-jr: pretty much May 13 17:13:54 It's no longer a bruteforce attack May 13 17:13:56 DocScrutinizer, i've seen circa 2008 sims that could still be copied May 13 17:13:56 twoboxen: /s means nothing to me May 13 17:13:57 crashanddie: what w/ all the spam kiddies in here tonight? :-/ May 13 17:13:59 but you can extract the key. May 13 17:14:03 tybollt: no idea May 13 17:14:08 hawai`i: be my guest May 13 17:14:10 Arkenoi: that's news to me May 13 17:14:12 hawai`i: seriously, try May 13 17:14:14 luke-jr: me neither... i just mashed my hands on the keboard and it popped up May 13 17:14:15 You simply need the proper hardware. May 13 17:14:24 hawai`i: BOLLOCKS May 13 17:14:29 DocScrutinizer, pretty rare, though, most cannot May 13 17:14:30 Neg. May 13 17:14:45 tybollt: spam in IRC??? NEVAH! May 13 17:14:48 tybollt, shh they can hear you tooo May 13 17:14:51 * luke-jr ponders a N900 doing 100 virtual SIMs :P May 13 17:15:01 hawai`i, but it is no longer a simple usb reader, you need dirty tricks like undervoltage now, right? May 13 17:15:03 anyone in here good with kernel hacking? May 13 17:15:13 luke-jr: hspa multiplexing? May 13 17:15:19 my good random internet friend DJ_Steve is looking for some kernel expertise for the Android work May 13 17:15:21 t-tan, not here anymore though May 13 17:15:21 aquatix: nfc? May 13 17:15:34 twoboxen: does it pay well? May 13 17:15:37 twoboxen: pretty hard to hack an android phone when you don't have one available May 13 17:15:43 Arkenoi: yes. You have to do a lot of hardware switching to fake it out. May 13 17:15:51 crashanddie: dj_steve does Android on N900 IIRC May 13 17:15:52 twoboxen: if he pays me $80/hour and sends me an android phone, I'm his new bitch May 13 17:15:58 luke-jr: as well as porting Armagetron to maemo, yeah May 13 17:16:11 twoboxen: ? May 13 17:16:19 not hacking android May 13 17:16:25 putting android onto the n900 May 13 17:16:29 hawai`i: any pointers? May 13 17:16:30 see #nitdroid May 13 17:16:30 hawai`i, well, that means the cost of attack raises from $10 to $1K+, not worth trying in most cases :-( May 13 17:16:45 twoboxen: tell him to contact querty12 and stskeeps May 13 17:16:50 hawai`i, i love having my Ki backed up, but i'd not pay that much for it May 13 17:16:56 twoboxen: see, the problem is I at least enjoy Armagetron dev; if it were Android, it'd be "more boring work" and I'd charge my full rate :P May 13 17:17:27 luke-jr: btw the SIM is connected to modem chipset directly, no way to intercept and fake a SIM May 13 17:17:27 It's still very feasible, which is all I'm saying. May 13 17:17:39 DocScrutinizer: :( May 13 17:17:42 too bad. android is also a fun OS. I plan on running both. DJ_Steve has gotten it working pretty well--he's just trying to finish up a few drivers for additional hardware support May 13 17:17:48 DocScrutinizer: in that case, it IS Nokia's fault for being too closed May 13 17:17:55 let's start a riot May 13 17:17:58 demand modem source May 13 17:18:00 DocScrutinizer: hardware bus injection. May 13 17:18:02 hawai`i, could you point me to any recent papers on that? i am curious. May 13 17:18:07 lol, in a certain manner it is May 13 17:18:21 hawai`i: hw-bus? May 13 17:18:55 DocScrutinizer: pin out from SIM to hardware contacts with an interception board in between May 13 17:19:07 hawai`i: obviously we're all talking about w/o hardware mods May 13 17:19:10 hawai`i: that's easy, yes May 13 17:19:59 oh May 13 17:20:09 the cake is a lie May 13 17:20:25 crashanddie: but but but May 13 17:20:33 * DocScrutinizer muses over SAP May 13 17:20:36 Arkenoi: I'll try and find it May 13 17:20:41 i was kinda looking forward to the cake May 13 17:20:42 AT+CSIM May 13 17:20:56 and other weird stuff May 13 17:24:21 Opening the modem access will cause problems. May 13 17:24:32 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIM_Access_Profile May 13 17:25:00 sorry english wikipedia wasn't able to locate it May 13 17:25:50 DocScrutinizer: you do realise that SAP only provides "remote access" to the card May 13 17:26:00 it doesn't actually allow for the card contents to be copied or anything May 13 17:26:23 you're still asking the card to do basic crypto operations, whether it's your phone directly or another device May 13 17:26:30 yes, but there has to be a method inside the car unit that uses SAP to access the remote SIM May 13 17:27:16 the output of those operations is then used to do x, but the next time you want to do x, if card is not available, you can't just replay the same output May 13 17:27:17 so I pondered if maybe the N900 modem would support such method, to 'inject' a fake SIM from linux system May 13 17:27:50 well, it wouldn't be that hard to try May 13 17:28:25 as long as you had a container that could contain all the SIM data, and had a simulator that could reproduce all the SIM functions May 13 17:28:30 you readout KI of a SIM, emulate it in linux userland, and inject the authentication yaggediyag into the modem via SAP client method May 13 17:28:32 which wouldn't be a small amount of work either May 13 17:29:43 I wouldn't think it's easy. Just pondering about ways to implement it at all May 13 17:31:00 we already learnt it's even not that simple to readout the KI from a SIM, so the whole thing is rather academic anyway May 13 17:31:48 except if you plan to spread fake sim emulator software all over the world - in which case it might be worh the effort May 13 17:32:10 Not worth it. May 13 17:32:21 (such a software emulated SIM could easily be shared obviously) May 13 17:32:28 Huge ass amounts of work May 13 17:32:35 until it gets on the blacklists May 13 17:32:35 and I don't that you can easily inject the data May 13 17:32:44 that's why it's closed. May 13 17:34:42 yes, I'm rather sure no normal modem FW will allow SAP client mode May 13 17:35:10 it's an insane thing to implement May 13 17:35:41 so back to hw-bus injection ;-P May 13 17:35:43 lol May 13 17:36:02 Not worth it either. May 13 17:36:17 of course, just chatting May 13 17:36:34 the whole copy-sim thing isn't worth it May 13 17:37:09 if you want multi-SIM, get a sim-doubler May 13 17:37:50 or, better, get a dual-line SIM May 13 17:38:39 if you want to use your sim in different defices and don't like to swap, then get a twin-SIM May 13 17:38:48 can i install a 32gb card on my n900 May 13 17:38:55 s/defi/devi/ May 13 17:38:55 DocScrutinizer meant: if you want to use your sim in different devices and don't like to swap, then get a twin-SIM May 13 17:39:00 DocScrutinizer, most cellular operators do not allow it May 13 17:39:09 so you heed to do it yourself May 13 17:39:39 dhq: not sure if the controller supports microsdxc May 13 17:40:11 hmm so what is the maximum May 13 17:40:20 dhq: yes you can May 13 17:40:24 dhq: if you can get 32G card May 13 17:40:42 dhq: because i couldn't find any place where i could buy one May 13 17:40:52 afaik 32G isn't xc yet May 13 17:40:58 it's still hc May 13 17:41:07 though out of the specs iirc May 13 17:41:14 there is always i2c May 13 17:41:16 whats xc and hc May 13 17:41:27 high capacity and extended May 13 17:41:40 k May 13 17:53:45 I'm bored. What else needs to be worked on? May 13 17:54:15 USB host mode? May 13 17:54:28 / checkpoint app in early boot? May 13 17:54:48 Yes go on... May 13 17:54:54 wait what? May 13 17:54:59 checkpoint for what? May 13 17:55:45 A way to take images of the whole of / - and restore them May 13 17:56:01 ah May 13 17:56:43 Why not just package a mini-Mer-esque installation that dd's it off? May 13 17:56:50 that'd work May 13 17:57:17 Seems like the easiest way and less mucking around with upstart/initfs crap May 13 17:58:12 okay I'll do it May 13 18:00:20 suppose I should get an externally bootable kernel first huh May 13 18:00:40 It's moderately non-trivil May 13 18:00:43 ial May 13 18:00:55 Yes. Just have to actually, sit down and do it. May 13 18:01:10 the 'easy' way would be something like the boot-loader app - that installed prior May 13 18:01:32 the slightly less easy way is a meego or something-based image that boots from mmc and lets you do rescue stuff May 13 18:02:01 so you can just use flasher to boot the rescue kernel - which doesn't need to be installed even - and have a spare 'rescue' mmc May 13 18:11:32 Interesting. I managed to lock up the N900 without triggering the watchdog timer. May 13 18:12:38 I've done that May 13 18:13:02 It doesn't respond to input or network, and has been stuck like that for almost 5 hours (and I wasn't doing anything with it 5 hours ago, either). May 13 18:13:14 It also doesn't respond to the power button. May 13 18:13:29 :D May 13 18:13:36 long press power button? May 13 18:14:19 Yes, that is what I meant. May 13 18:14:41 Once I managed to trigger some kernel bug. IO to /home and MyDocs was blocked, everything trying to access it hung. swap IO was fine. May 13 18:14:43 It does respond to yanking the battery. May 13 18:15:10 I would be much more impressed if it diddn't. May 13 18:15:18 optified stuff and apps that read/write settings, or access any of the dbs, hung May 13 18:23:31 I love the iPhone commercials that fail to mention other requirements. May 13 18:23:46 "The iPhone can turn off your living room lights!" May 13 18:26:06 SpeedEvil: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=657224&postcount=22 May 13 18:26:20 sounds scary. if that were true, I should be afraid of anyone with an iphone walking near my house May 13 18:26:40 hawai`i, apparently copying and pasting is something I've never seen before (or that's what the ads think) May 13 18:27:04 MohammadAG_: They're stuck in 2002 May 13 18:27:16 sure it's not 10 years before that? May 13 18:27:35 Hi May 13 18:27:36 I remember copying and pasting in Win 98 May 13 18:28:01 hey johnsq May 13 18:29:19 I remember it in PPC2003 May 13 18:32:36 hawai`i, Read the MCE file, devildriven. It clearly states the last end values of the strings control the pickup speed. They are adjustable between 1-254 May 13 18:32:41 isn't it 0-255? May 13 18:33:07 Essentially the same thing. May 13 18:33:30 1 != 0 May 13 18:33:39 do you run on a SoC or something? May 13 18:35:25 RST38h, can you ship a flipped rotation arrow with the next FBReader update if I make one for you? May 13 18:36:52 GAN900: yea May 13 18:42:42 Hello, does anyone know how to recover data from the internal memory on the N900, after getting "Memory Card Corrupted"? On MyDocs partition mmcblk0p1? May 13 18:43:39 check if the partition table is still there May 13 18:43:48 you mean the vfat partition? May 13 18:44:09 yes, the vfat partition, the 20 something gb one. May 13 18:44:27 (spare 'rescue' mmc) that would be mad useful, indeed May 13 18:44:35 how can I check the partition table, I don't have fdisk on the N900, is there something else? May 13 18:45:05 MohammadAG_: mce file? what ya talkin bout? May 13 18:45:37 this'll be hard to find May 13 18:45:52 there is sfdisk installed by default May 13 18:45:52 Okaaay. May 13 18:45:54 I flashed 1.1.1 - why is there a really huge maemo update in HAM May 13 18:45:58 nvm, DocScrutinizer http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=656985&postcount=6 May 13 18:46:04 Oh May 13 18:46:09 I flashed 1.0 May 13 18:46:10 SpeedEvil: Don't do that May 13 18:46:11 1.1 May 13 18:46:14 SpeedEvil: I hate you May 13 18:46:14 that'll do it May 13 18:46:16 oh May 13 18:46:22 so it's 1.1.1 you have? May 13 18:46:23 he still hates you May 13 18:46:27 in HAM? May 13 18:46:39 MohammadAG_: sssssh you May 13 18:46:48 RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.203.2_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin May 13 18:46:51 I flashed May 13 18:46:56 which unsurprisingly ... May 13 18:47:10 1.0 lol May 13 18:47:15 meh May 13 18:47:42 you do realize I die a little inside every time you get my hopes up like that ;) May 13 18:48:46 MohammadAG_: lame topic :-/ May 13 18:48:57 He's just razzing me. May 13 18:49:26 DocScrutinizer: what else is new?! May 13 18:49:33 Speedevil: thanks, used sfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 and can see the three partitions, but not sure what to do next... May 13 18:49:58 hawai`i: new?? May 13 18:50:02 hawai`i, not really, 1-254 != 0-255 May 13 18:50:05 1.2 1.2 1.2 May 13 18:50:19 * RST38h made tybollt die thrice May 13 18:50:40 DocScrutinizer: with lame topics May 13 18:50:54 richieeee72: I would dd it off to some linux or dos box, and then run a filesystem repair tool May 13 18:50:54 MohammadAG_: hawai`i: dudes you drive me nuts, what's so difficult in reading that friggn mce.ini? May 13 18:51:19 DocScrutinizer, umm, nothing? May 13 18:51:35 Wait what? May 13 18:51:53 That's what I told the clown to do. May 13 18:51:56 it's getting weird in here *switches screens* May 13 18:52:36 # Speed from 1 to 255 May 13 18:52:52 he missed a value then :P May 13 18:53:46 * DocScrutinizer sobs over noticing he wasted 47 sec to c&p a stupid silly line from a simple stupid config file May 13 18:54:04 wazd hey May 13 18:54:37 RST38h: heya :) May 13 18:55:05 btw "pickup speed"? PICKUP? May 13 18:55:16 SpeedEvil: thanks for the idea, I'll give it a go as soon as I've got my N900 networked to my pc, cheers. May 13 18:55:39 what's pickup speed? May 13 18:56:25 ? May 13 18:56:36 oh May 13 18:56:49 MohammadAG_: and a vibrator speed of 0 doesn't make much sense, does it? May 13 18:57:39 unless you want it off May 13 18:57:45 * MohammadAG_ takes a break, brb #maemo May 13 18:57:47 IIRC a vibrator speed of 15 or so is the minimum May 13 18:57:55 DocScrutinizer: pick-up speed is how long it takes to reach full voltage May 13 18:58:02 er rotation May 13 19:00:46 hawai`i: aiui that # Speed from 1 to 255 clearly is the PWM value for vibrator when it reaches max in OnPeriod May 13 19:03:29 Wait, what are you doing with that vibrator? May 13 19:04:03 Remember - n900 is not waterproof. May 13 19:04:05 you got attack-sustain-release shape, where $AcceleratePeriod is the duration of attack, $OnPeriod is the duration it runs with $Speed, $BreakPeriod is decay, and $OffPeriod is the pause between loops May 13 19:04:17 hawai`i: MohammadAG ^^^ May 13 19:04:38 Who wrote that? May 13 19:04:48 me, this very moment May 13 19:06:56 you're free to quote me though ;-) May 13 19:07:10 You ever see soap roll down the crack of a mans ass? May 13 19:07:18 <_radz_> hey guys, I have just installed maemo5 sdk using the python GUI wizard, and I get the error: configure: error: Package requirements (hildonmm >= 0.9.6) were not met: May 13 19:07:19 <_radz_> No package 'hildonmm' found May 13 19:08:53 <_radz_> any help would be appreciated May 13 19:09:02 err, s/decay/release May 13 19:09:56 hawai`i: seems you're got another idea how to read those values? May 13 19:10:12 you've May 13 19:11:01 No, just the last one. May 13 19:13:33 hi May 13 19:13:44 anyone knows how to know phone model using python? May 13 19:14:04 hmm, I edited the Speed values for some of my vib profiles, seemed to work the way I expected May 13 19:28:09 DocScrutinizer: hey you there? May 13 19:28:27 almost not May 13 19:28:32 Sorry ran out on you yestorday May 13 19:28:54 So it worked just fine for you and for me my tv goes black May 13 19:29:08 I need ideas to fix this issue May 13 19:29:48 sorry no idea wrt that. Except maybe try with a different TV May 13 19:30:05 But TV is displaying eveyrhing else May 13 19:30:15 and mplay is displaying video (although laggy) May 13 19:30:20 mplayer* May 13 19:31:14 maybe mediaplayer is sending some control signal (like format=16:9) that your TV doesn't like May 13 19:31:17 * RST38h burns the rom image May 13 19:31:51 what a silly excuse for the sdk... May 13 19:32:16 really, either your TV is weird, or your HW is broken May 13 19:32:59 DocScrutinizer: tv or n900 May 13 19:33:02 or you're using another version of mediaplayer than I do May 13 19:33:53 Dima202: whatever, cable N900 TV. Really the reported facts are non-conclusive May 13 19:34:33 DocScrutinizer: what if I record whats happening May 13 19:34:39 on a camera May 13 19:34:51 With voice over and everything May 13 19:35:10 nad as I can't make a reasonable story out of the whole set of symptoms, I also am short of ideas how to fix the issue May 13 19:35:38 check with another TV May 13 19:35:45 DocScrutinizer: when you have your n900 connected to the tv the picture is pretty ugly no? May 13 19:35:53 DocScrutinizer: I have just the one May 13 19:35:59 yes, like always May 13 19:36:13 I'm not sure I'd call it ugly May 13 19:36:15 anyway, bbl... ->dinner May 13 19:36:29 what is the maximum resolution one may get from tv out? May 13 19:36:32 Alright DocScrutinizer good appetite May 13 19:36:43 640x480? i dunno May 13 19:37:06 x*512, 16bbp May 13 19:37:15 aka 65k colors May 13 19:37:55 for PAL, for NTSC it's probably x*480 May 13 19:38:03 and that is the maximum x? May 13 19:38:08 not sure about that May 13 19:38:18 I'd but an 'f' to the front of ugly when speaking of n900's tv-out, quality is something you'd get from a VHS... if it even was anamorphic widescreen it would be a bit better May 13 19:38:37 the widescreen seems to cut y resolution a bit May 13 19:39:30 Trewas: yeah but it's using a pretty standard connector, easy to find and just one hole for audio/video and audio is pretty decent.. It's fine for what it is really May 13 19:40:10 The newer ones will come out with hdmi so should see lots of improvement there May 13 19:40:28 the video (as in media player) actually has different path through dss to screen, as evident by UI only appearing on n900 :) May 13 19:41:01 it's probably like PC graphics cards a few years ago, where video was different hardware than the thing drawing rgb framebuffer May 13 19:41:33 hello everyone :) May 13 19:41:54 ShadowJK: so you think that path is using the dsp chip and thus my n900 dsp is broken May 13 19:41:55 it's using different framebuffers. The fb for AV seems is only 16bbp deep May 13 19:42:06 that's really bad quality May 13 19:42:24 Dima202, no if dsp was broken you'd get no video playback at all, with or without tvout May 13 19:42:25 I wanted to ask if any of you has installed the maemo sdk on a non debian distro May 13 19:42:49 I'm currently running on Archlinux May 13 19:42:51 well video is 12 bits per pixel ;D May 13 19:42:59 and I downloaded the gui installer May 13 19:43:06 OMFG May 13 19:43:07 should it run without problems? May 13 19:43:10 hey DocScrutinizer what version is your mplayer? May 13 19:43:17 dunno May 13 19:43:19 i mean media player May 13 19:43:28 1.1.1 May 13 19:43:38 how did yo ucheck? May 13 19:43:57 heh May 13 19:44:16 I got Pr1.1.1 May 13 19:44:27 and no special mediaplayer May 13 19:44:38 me to on pr 1.1.1 May 13 19:45:16 so you say your TV is black from beginning, whenever you playback a videofile >400MB? May 13 19:45:42 yeah, i see media player on tv and i choose the file it starts showing those circles May 13 19:45:57 then i see n900 circles stuck on 3rd or 4th circle and tv is black May 13 19:46:45 I'd guess you have a uSD with read errors May 13 19:47:11 HMM Was there an update for media playuer in devel or extras? May 13 19:47:22 sorry, no good idea how to check that. bbl May 13 19:47:23 cya May 13 19:47:37 later DocScrutinizer thanks May 13 19:48:15 media player is Media Box Media Center right? May 13 19:48:58 I have version 2010.05.08 of MediaBox Media Center May 13 19:50:51 no May 13 19:51:02 media player is what's included May 13 19:51:21 it's not in extras at all. May 13 19:52:13 Media Box Media Center is something else May 13 20:11:20 anybody else just get spammed by someone in this channel? May 13 20:11:27 Nope. May 13 20:12:19 just got sent a porn link May 13 20:12:24 wow cool May 13 20:12:25 share! May 13 20:12:39 tybollt: i'm not especially inclined to click it May 13 20:12:47 i mean, it may not be porn May 13 20:13:10 i won't name names in case it was a real user and meant for somebody else May 13 20:14:01 yeah, it was animooo May 13 20:14:11 got the same on cycle, so May 13 20:14:28 CTCP-VERSION was mIRC May 13 20:14:39 so yeah, probably got pwned... May 13 20:15:47 friggin idiot May 13 20:16:13 me, or animooo? May 13 20:16:24 animooo of course May 13 20:16:47 (i dunno, there are probably still mirc fans...) May 13 20:17:57 does anyone here use twitter from n900? May 13 20:19:20 ZogG: i use May 13 20:19:50 http://www.tweetgo.net is what I am using May 13 20:19:50 I wonder why ircd7 hasn't klined that moron. detecting mass /query shouldn't be hard May 13 20:20:14 petteri i mean any client May 13 20:20:18 it was fine May 13 20:20:34 but May 13 20:20:37 ? May 13 20:20:56 i used it alll the time but today in the middle of day o got - can't autificate (how do i spell that word) May 13 20:21:15 DocScrutinizer51: sounds like he was going pretty slow May 13 20:21:41 tried on meego and mauku May 13 20:21:49 but works on microb May 13 20:21:59 so somebody should join #freenet and report May 13 20:22:16 i think the errors are because twitter.com is not working, Too much users or something May 13 20:22:28 i am happy with tweetgo.net May 13 20:33:30 Sweet. May 13 20:33:35 N900 locked up. May 13 20:34:16 No wd interrupt. May 13 20:43:45 so it's probably not locked up, but terribly busy May 13 20:44:03 usually swapping May 13 20:45:15 I pulled the battery. May 13 20:45:23 take care,all your input will store up May 13 20:45:29 I can't be arsed to wait around. May 13 20:45:32 lol then not May 13 20:45:35 lol May 13 20:45:52 I did spawn about 40 different processes May 13 20:46:08 so was sort of ready for it when the phone rang. May 13 20:46:27 10sec powerbtn hold should work and is a lil more polite than pulling bat May 13 20:48:47 alas can't test it as mine is borked May 13 20:48:47 fsck and I'm over it. May 13 20:50:45 DocScrutinizer51, again? May 13 20:51:01 pwrbtn broke May 13 20:51:23 nokia fsckd it on repair :-P May 13 20:52:51 needs more feeling than a virgin to convince it May 13 20:53:54 well N900 has such a plenty of hw pushbuttons - I can bear the one May 13 20:53:58 any knows any database will all firmware codes for nokia? May 13 20:54:46 for now May 13 20:55:26 yes May 13 20:55:27 joker_89: sorry no we will not give you the leaked beta 1.2 May 13 20:55:29 DocScrutinizer51, you know in movies when people sit there cleaning guns and stripping them down timing them.. May 13 20:55:40 leacked beta 1.2? May 13 20:56:50 yeah assemble AK47 in 3.9s May 13 20:57:44 DocScrutinizer51, o_O May 13 20:57:48 * DocScrutinizer51 burrps May 13 20:57:50 well i imagine you doing same with n900 May 13 20:57:59 i studied ak-47 assembly/disassembly in school May 13 20:58:01 timed May 13 20:58:42 or was it ak-45? May 13 20:58:46 don't remember May 13 20:59:03 Arkenoi: in school? What the fucking fuck? May 13 20:59:11 * Arkenoi wonders if i still can do it May 13 20:59:31 if you study ak47 in school it's pretty fucked up a school =) May 13 21:00:08 lcuk: I'm tempted to do. They told me they need to send it in to nokia repair central services as it was them who did the prev repair May 13 21:00:11 not really bad May 13 21:00:14 tybollt: or a pretty good school (depending on your political bent) :) May 13 21:00:31 though the repair itself prolly will take 20min May 13 21:00:34 but we went to a shooting ranage just once May 13 21:00:42 tybollt, theres many countries in the world and each has its own rules regulations munitions and people May 13 21:00:43 DocScrutinizer51: mine was parently sent to germany for service. May 13 21:00:52 shells were expensive May 13 21:00:53 mtnbkr: hrr hrr May 13 21:00:56 lol DocScrutinizer51 May 13 21:01:21 so i volunteered to go to some rifle shooting, it was not mandatory May 13 21:01:40 I'm Canadian. What's a gun? :P May 13 21:01:42 lcuk: if you studfy in Iraq and Afghanistan or perhaps Gaza strip maybe you need to take the AK47 101 class - but in other countries? HELL NO May 13 21:02:09 s/ranage/range/ May 13 21:02:18 hawai`i: boo, you all hunt moose over there =) May 13 21:02:48 lcuk: (ammo) Aegypt red, Finnland black May 13 21:02:52 the school sucket otherwise, except that military part which was pretty boring most of the time as well May 13 21:03:12 lcuk: (sisterhood, Gift) May 13 21:03:20 Arkenoi: where'd you go to school? May 13 21:03:35 too little shooting too much dealing with gas mask etc May 13 21:03:43 saint petersburg May 13 21:03:47 tybollt, why so strongly against it? do you feel strongly enough to fight for the principle? May 13 21:04:17 it was called Leningrad back then May 13 21:04:41 i have never fired a real gun May 13 21:04:55 ah, and i forgot to mention all that communist propaganda and bullshit May 13 21:05:12 that killed all the fun almost completely May 13 21:06:09 st petersburg then arkenoi May 13 21:06:15 ehr wait no May 13 21:06:23 yes May 13 21:07:08 lcuk: sorry but weapons are bad. period. May 13 21:08:36 tybollt, in some places there isn't a choice. May 13 21:08:54 and telling the person pointing a gun at you they are bad isnt really going to do much May 13 21:09:06 It may make him die of laughter. May 13 21:09:10 so, learn to run very fast May 13 21:09:26 * Arkenoi still visits shooting range occasinally. a day may come to throw putin, luzhkov and other assholes down and it might be handy to know how to shoot ;-) May 13 21:09:27 or accept that some places have standard munitions training May 13 21:10:49 tybollt: basically everything s a weapon if you know hpow to use it. I admit there's tools with a purpose more clearly aimed at extermination of personell May 13 21:10:55 cheesecake! May 13 21:11:01 Some fonts are missing to visualize this page: http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/colloquial, with default n900 browser. How to fix that? May 13 21:11:57 I've searched the web, but haven't found anything so far May 13 21:12:14 * DocScrutinizer51 hands Myrtti a can with pressurized cream May 13 21:12:16 * Arkenoi used to beat annoying people with an umbrella. not special self-defence umbrella (such a thing does exist), but a regular one. the bad part is that it could be used only once, it breaks ;-) May 13 21:13:06 Myrtti, cheesecak is dangerous May 13 21:13:12 * omar thinks Arkenoi sounds like a cranky grandpa May 13 21:13:13 cheesecake May 13 21:13:30 tybollt sounds crankier May 13 21:13:38 * omar cranks up the volume May 13 21:13:49 omar: i looks almost like one, just not very old ;-) May 13 21:13:58 who remembers bow and arrows with suckers on the end :D May 13 21:14:01 cool :) May 13 21:14:29 oh meh. first I was like, -______-, then I thought let's have coffee. Then I remembered I don't have milk. now I'm .____. May 13 21:14:39 are you supposed to shoot the suckers into your moufs? May 13 21:14:49 Myrtti, black coffee ftw May 13 21:14:50 *yawn* May 13 21:14:53 ew May 13 21:14:56 eww coffee w/o milk May 13 21:14:56 ill email you some milk May 13 21:15:03 go buy some dood May 13 21:15:04 thanks. May 13 21:15:25 http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/arkanoid24.jpg May 13 21:15:44 that's you Arkenoi? May 13 21:16:21 doesn't ur neck beard itch? :P May 13 21:16:36 omar: there's some problems with your suggestions, namely a) I don't have a car b) I don't have drivers licence c) being a pedestrian right here, right now is a silent wish for suicide May 13 21:17:02 Myrtti, where do you live? and why don't you have all these necessities? May 13 21:17:04 cake.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/4604426181/ May 13 21:17:10 Myrtti, high vis jacket and ample handfuls of cheesecake May 13 21:17:26 holyhell lbt May 13 21:17:28 * thresh doesnt have a drivers license either May 13 21:17:30 just so you can look at it :) May 13 21:17:54 lbt: what's that? May 13 21:17:55 omar: I'm staying in a hotel in Silicon Valley that's situated between two highways. May 13 21:18:01 well, now i look more like that: http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/meeting.jpg May 13 21:18:03 lemon sponge pudding cake May 13 21:18:05 lbt: looks yummy >:) May 13 21:18:09 lbt: YUMMY May 13 21:18:14 Myrtti, wow sleeping must suck! May 13 21:18:15 it's kinda like lemon curd May 13 21:18:15 lbt: recipe, bitte May 13 21:18:29 it takes about 20 mins ... May 13 21:18:32 omar: did I mention I wanted coffee? May 13 21:18:48 yeah you did... maybe you should get some rest May 13 21:18:52 lbt: so, hand me :) May 13 21:18:54 you're starting to repeat yourself May 13 21:19:14 you're starting to repeat yourself May 13 21:19:15 tybollt: typing May 13 21:19:29 lbt: what the hell - just cut'n'paste ;) May 13 21:19:41 Arkenoi, now i thikn you're just finding random photos before the world was in color May 13 21:20:14 I repeat myself when I'm under stress May 13 21:20:16 I repeat myself when I'm under stress May 13 21:20:17 I repeat myself when I'm under stress May 13 21:20:29 tybollt: cut'n'paste? I'm a chef... it's in my head May 13 21:21:01 ok, medical team, prepare david for surgery, i want 0.5mm slices May 13 21:21:12 all hotel and no home make Myrtti a sad girl. May 13 21:21:15 all hotel and no home make Myrtti a sad girl. May 13 21:21:19 tracy makes a great lemon drizzle cake May 13 21:21:19 all hotel and no home make Myrtti a sad girl. May 13 21:21:34 yeah May 13 21:21:47 I spent two months in a hotel room last summer, central copenhagen May 13 21:21:53 worst summer in my life May 13 21:22:26 we have a kitchen. too bad the utensils are so shit it's next to impossible to cook anything May 13 21:23:21 concave stainless steel frying pan, steak knives for cutting... May 13 21:23:22 omar: well, this one is in color: http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/troff-bd.jpg May 13 21:24:01 i see May 13 21:24:03 anyway, I was going for a shower May 13 21:24:08 tybollt: done... May 13 21:24:13 looking stylish there May 13 21:24:15 go for starbucks instead May 13 21:24:33 lbt: ok!? May 13 21:24:49 refresh May 13 21:24:56 tybollt: starbucks is even further away than a shop selling milk. nice idea tho May 13 21:25:02 * Myrtti buggers off to shower May 13 21:25:48 Arkenoi, http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/cc05-2.jpg you damage anyone w/that umbrella? May 13 21:26:02 * DocScrutinizer51 feels with Myrtti while nippin on his latte macchiato May 13 21:27:10 omar: likely, i wasted one umbrella in saint petersburg (maybe that one) and two in moscow ;-) May 13 21:27:32 Arkenoi: With or without the ricin-ball in the tip? May 13 21:27:55 lbt: woot awesome, vielen dank Her! May 13 21:27:56 r May 13 21:27:58 Arkenoi, u should just smack people with your hand would save you money on umbrellas ;) May 13 21:28:28 omar, yes, but it makes more fun with umbrella ;-) May 13 21:28:36 enjoy... it really is pretty good ... especially if you like lemon curd / lemon cheese May 13 21:28:55 FUCK DAMIT flat out of eggs May 13 21:28:56 :( May 13 21:28:59 no cake for me May 13 21:29:06 * SpeedEvil has eggs. May 13 21:29:11 * SpeedEvil should make cake. May 13 21:29:12 * omar has chickens May 13 21:29:16 * omar that lay eggs May 13 21:29:18 grrrr May 13 21:29:21 takes about 20 mins SpeedEvil... May 13 21:29:30 lbt: I know the theory. May 13 21:29:37 lbt: I only have one lemon though. May 13 21:29:46 * omar has a lemon tree May 13 21:29:54 heh, a recipe is like advice... May 13 21:30:00 got an orange? May 13 21:30:04 omar: I'd get chickens.. May 13 21:30:12 http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/photo/my/mouse.jpg - btw i caught a live mouse in the office once ;-) May 13 21:30:13 I just have raspberries in the garden, and apples, and some spinach. May 13 21:30:16 SpeedEvil: wait I'll drop in for a piece May 13 21:30:23 there is the proof May 13 21:30:24 but my cats would probably kill the chickens :( May 13 21:30:27 (only the spinach is functional yet) May 13 21:30:41 there you go, 1 lemon and 5-8 raspberries... May 13 21:31:01 SpeedEvil: spinach stew is awesome w/ a nice deepfried halibut or such May 13 21:31:15 tybollt, we have them in a gigantic metallic cage.. but we actually have a lot of younger ones just roaming around our lawn and we have plenty of stray cats here May 13 21:31:21 i don't know how they aren't dead May 13 21:31:42 they huddle en masse though so that might help May 13 21:31:45 * lbt once saw his cat chased off by a couple of pheasants... May 13 21:32:01 I always teased him about that ;) May 13 21:34:20 omar: hmm yeah.. I dream of one day moving out to the country side... some poultry... pigs... etc... I could kill a baby pig for dinner every night May 13 21:34:38 they cooked baby pig on TV tonight, god damn that looked tasty May 13 21:34:43 * lbt thinks about the smell of a pig farm.... maybe not May 13 21:34:49 hah May 13 21:34:57 oh yeah? May 13 21:35:08 i'm gonna pass out May 13 21:35:21 think about the smell of a baby pig stuffed w/ various greens slow roasted over an open fire May 13 21:39:44 http://www.mauve.plus.com/1271538541770.jpg - I have not eaten the one on the left. (yet) May 13 21:40:52 lbt: your cat should see this: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/images/060613-cat-bear_big.jpg May 13 21:41:00 u ate a bunny wabbit?! May 13 21:41:08 nom May 13 21:41:15 i want a cat ;( May 13 21:41:26 BCMM: heh :) May 13 21:42:01 * SpeedEvil1 passes omar a nice cat, with some onions, with an orange sauce. May 13 21:42:17 bugger. May 13 21:42:32 Myrtti, u want roasted cat w/onions and orange sauce? May 13 21:42:33 yum May 13 21:43:00 wait wait.. who says bugger? is that a UK term? May 13 21:43:34 yes May 13 21:44:28 yes indeed May 13 21:44:34 i have a memory of someone saying "buggah" in a deep english voice.. that's how i guessed ;) May 13 21:44:41 do they not say it in the US? May 13 21:44:44 it might have been "oh buggah" May 13 21:44:48 nope May 13 21:46:09 Myrtti, while you're in that area try to get someone to drive you on highway 1 ;) May 13 21:46:21 and go to berkeley hills May 13 21:46:36 esp at night time May 13 21:47:08 omar: we're leaving on Saturday, and we've done plenty of sightseeing. May 13 21:47:10 BCMM, usually only ironically. ;) May 13 21:47:17 o i see May 13 21:47:21 Myrtti, see the redwoods? May 13 21:47:23 i miss that area ;( May 13 21:47:59 GAN900: nah, but we did drive from santa cruz to san jose May 13 21:48:18 Myrtti, then you haven't done enough sightseeing. :P May 13 21:48:19 Myrtti, did you eat pho yet? May 13 21:48:29 go eat pho May 13 21:48:31 NOW May 13 21:48:42 GAN900: I know, we haven't had time to do sightseeing other than on weekends May 13 21:48:51 Isn't that one of the teletubbies? May 13 21:48:54 Myrtti, too bad. May 13 21:49:06 SpeedEvil1, Vietnamese soup. May 13 21:49:10 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Pho_in_Saigon.jpg/800px-Pho_in_Saigon.jpg May 13 21:49:13 this stuff is amazing May 13 21:49:18 i used to eat it 5x a week May 13 21:51:50 it's pronounced "fuh" though so don't look stupid ;P May 13 21:55:49 nite all, sweet dreams May 13 21:58:54 * DocScrutinizer wonders if omar is doing the old nasty joke of teaching french that "fuck you asshole" means merci beaucoup May 13 22:02:36 In some tones of voice it does. May 13 22:02:47 As can 'Have a nice day' have a similar meaning. May 13 22:03:55 spy game is a good movie May 13 22:08:06 still I wonder what pho might be (other than a request to get raped) May 13 22:09:13 anyone know roughly how many machines can be sat around a single wifi router before it is saturated May 13 22:09:24 thinking irc spec data transfer only May 13 22:09:31 good question May 13 22:09:34 no heavy web/downloads May 13 22:10:41 prolly the number is *virtually* unlimited, just determined by the type of network you configure. And of course by the max number of sessions in your NAT May 13 22:10:44 lcuk: i believe some routers have an actual limit that is reachable May 13 22:11:04 lcuk: as for how many before there isn't enough bandwidth, that really really depends on what you mean by "heavy" May 13 22:11:30 for all practical purposes I'd guess a few dozen clients is the maximum May 13 22:11:32 well bcmm, as i said irc chitchat rather than than downloading divs movies May 13 22:11:48 but it would be with udp multicast May 13 22:11:59 lcuk: for just irc, it's probably close to whatever the router supports... May 13 22:12:16 yeah BCMM i thought as much, i wonder about an adhoc session May 13 22:12:18 don't forget collisions May 13 22:12:25 and whether you can actually do full meshing May 13 22:12:28 i know nothing at all about ad-hoc May 13 22:12:40 DocScrutinizer, collisions? May 13 22:12:46 ahh ip based? May 13 22:12:50 ie dhcp? May 13 22:12:53 at some point the number of retransmits will explode May 13 22:13:10 nah, just media sharing May 13 22:13:14 retransmit is tcp May 13 22:13:16 medie here is RF May 13 22:13:33 udp connectionless protocol May 13 22:13:46 do best to get through to everyone May 13 22:13:52 but those at the back might struggle to hear May 13 22:14:00 still on RF two clients may collide May 13 22:14:03 mesh would be better really May 13 22:14:08 rog May 13 22:15:11 does the n900 do mesh networking? May 13 22:15:27 BCMM, it does adhoc (very well actually) May 13 22:15:33 but alas, i dont think true mesh May 13 22:15:34 and as there's no real collision detect on WLAN (as you can't receive the true media while you send) you need ACK from AP anyway May 13 22:15:51 yeah, noticed the ad-hoc support when trying to find wifi in a station May 13 22:15:59 I thought I read the hardware would support mesh. May 13 22:16:02 BCMM, it might njust be a driver issue tho - i havent looked into how (for example) the OLPC does mesh May 13 22:16:10 802.11u, or something? May 13 22:16:22 yeah it will be protocol rather than specifics May 13 22:16:26 we have the radio to do it May 13 22:16:54 is mesh worth it, really? May 13 22:16:57 When you have 3g? May 13 22:16:57 any idea if it's capable (in hardware) of infrastructure mode? May 13 22:17:07 crashanddie, 3g isnt everywhere May 13 22:17:20 and sometimes, you want to network with people nearby May 13 22:17:21 well, when the chip knows promiscuous mode and packet inject, you can do whatever you want May 13 22:17:28 I know, a phone so you can talk to people next to you. May 13 22:17:31 and in large densely populated places you can get higher bandwidth over wifi May 13 22:17:37 DocScrutinizer: and the n900 does? May 13 22:17:39 ManoftheSea: in which case dhcpcd + ad-hoc should be sufficient May 13 22:17:42 crashanddie, sharing photos in back of mcdonalds May 13 22:17:56 by infrastructure mode, i mean acting as an access point May 13 22:18:03 moitor/promiscuous seems to work, though "only on chan 6" ;-P May 13 22:18:10 dunno about injection May 13 22:18:11 yes BCMM we have that now too afaik dont we May 13 22:18:16 no injection yet May 13 22:18:27 but i saw the chan 6 had been worked around with a kernel hack May 13 22:18:31 lcuk: haven't checked up on infra mode lately May 13 22:18:32 you mean it does do AP mode? May 13 22:18:37 lcuk: last I heard it didn't work yet May 13 22:18:55 BCMM, theres an app you can buy to do it isnt there? May 13 22:19:00 you buy it, it turns n900 into AP May 13 22:19:06 and all computers connect and use 3g May 13 22:19:10 * lcuk cant remember name May 13 22:19:25 or am i wrong May 13 22:19:25 isn't taht just money for netfilter settings? May 13 22:19:26 and fries your CPU May 13 22:19:28 :-P May 13 22:19:40 which app s it May 13 22:19:53 joghurtspot? May 13 22:19:54 BCMM, its money for a practical user friendly solution May 13 22:20:00 fair enough May 13 22:21:11 i'm not entirely clear as to the difference between infrastructure and ad-hoc May 13 22:21:26 adhoc is peer to peer May 13 22:21:34 i mean, what would the disadvantage be if one just put several machines on an ad-hoc, but the n900 was running DHCP and NAT? May 13 22:21:35 infra is with a central AP May 13 22:22:01 BCMM, it may be thats exactly whats happening May 13 22:22:03 adhoc kills the battery May 13 22:22:16 but moh is right, adhoc has no battery saving May 13 22:22:20 PSM doesn't function in adhoc... May 13 22:22:21 nvm May 13 22:22:30 * lcuk waves @ moh May 13 22:22:33 \o May 13 22:22:40 * MohammadAG_ waves back @ lcuk May 13 22:22:47 #/me remembers where tab complete it May 13 22:22:47 is May 13 22:22:56 well yoghurtspot is notorious to kill battery and melt the plastic case, no? May 13 22:23:57 DocScrutinizer, somewhere, someone was using JoikuSpot and.... http://www.ripten.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/nuke-needs-to-be-bigger.jpg May 13 22:32:38 hey all May 13 22:34:00 MohammadAG, Did you ever get the keyboard to flash against mic amplitude? May 13 22:34:15 nope, haven't even touched it lol May 13 22:34:19 :P May 13 22:34:32 I wanted to make a UI in Qt Designer, but I think coding it from scratch is easier May 13 22:34:47 or I could just rip off one of lcuk's UIs :P May 13 22:34:54 PhonicUK, thats relatively simple to implement May 13 22:34:57 Qt Designer is really easy May 13 22:35:00 I know :P May 13 22:35:05 the problem is requiring root for changing the values May 13 22:35:15 Getting a date with terminal open on your phone is easier May 13 22:35:22 Mohammad and I where talking about it in at some length the other week May 13 22:35:27 well MohammadAG thats fine :) everything i code is open May 13 22:35:34 lcuk, lol was jk :P May 13 22:35:49 but its better if others get involved May 13 22:35:52 lcuk, most of the liq* apps are C++ right? May 13 22:35:56 raw c May 13 22:36:09 * MohammadAG never really got the difference between C and C++ May 13 22:36:10 but obviously recently ive been playing with qt and python May 13 22:36:15 not my language though :P May 13 22:36:19 I wanna port a game ive written to C++/OGRE/OpenGL ES 2.0 May 13 22:36:25 massive amount of work tho :\ May 13 22:36:36 ask for help? :) May 13 22:36:42 well c++ came by wanting to make structs into classes and true objects May 13 22:36:50 so CFront came around which did that May 13 22:36:55 uhuh May 13 22:36:59 it compiled C++ files to native c May 13 22:37:12 you lost me at structs May 13 22:37:17 lol May 13 22:37:31 lcuk: so how could those become objects in c code then? May 13 22:37:47 magic, as steve jobs would say May 13 22:37:51 crashanddie, an object is just a struct May 13 22:37:51 lcuk: wrapper functions around each struct, for each object.function() call? May 13 22:37:57 with a list of methods attached May 13 22:38:05 no, steve jobs would say "We're not letting developers do that on the iPhone" May 13 22:38:10 lcuk: so that it would become function(object)? May 13 22:38:10 object.function(args); May 13 22:38:12 becomes May 13 22:38:22 class_function(object,args); May 13 22:38:33 interesting May 13 22:38:35 that actually works? May 13 22:38:36 theres nothing magic about OO programming May 13 22:38:38 PhonicUK, doesn't the iPhone use ObjectC? which is similar to C? May 13 22:38:38 sure May 13 22:38:50 you can use C, C++ or Objective C May 13 22:39:01 a class is just a collection of methods related to a block of data May 13 22:39:03 meaning steave jobs didn't disallow it :P May 13 22:39:13 MohammadAG: erhm, objective C isn't really like C, I mean, it's more related to C# than C May 13 22:39:17 an update for Chromium is out :D May 13 22:39:24 <3 C# May 13 22:39:25 I always thought C# was a typo May 13 22:39:33 * MohammadAG googles it May 13 22:39:35 it should've been May 13 22:39:39 microsoft java May 13 22:39:39 C# is an awesome language May 13 22:39:46 that would be J# :P May 13 22:39:50 which sucks May 13 22:39:52 well, it is fun May 13 22:40:08 I love the .NET framework May 13 22:40:11 but doesn't really bring anything over C++ or Java to warrant going to C# May 13 22:40:14 and how everything is organized in namespaces May 13 22:40:18 well, except if you like .NET May 13 22:40:26 tbh I started reading a C++ book in June last year May 13 22:40:26 crashanddie, wrong. objetive-c is a strict superset of C, unlike C# it is not an entirely new language May 13 22:40:27 crashanddie, regarding c++ downgrades i would love to use cfront to have object.method() syntax May 13 22:40:30 its so much cleaner May 13 22:40:36 then I reached some stuff about unsinged and signed May 13 22:40:36 kalikiana: aye, but in usage May 13 22:40:39 I got lost there May 13 22:40:55 about 50 pages into the book May 13 22:40:56 I wanna make something like PHP, but using Lua as the underlaying language May 13 22:40:58 unsigned and signed May 13 22:41:01 lcuk: indeed May 13 22:41:19 unsinged was a typo :) May 13 22:41:20 and instead of storing files in the filesystem, I would have a massive database that stored the files+documents used by the webserver May 13 22:41:22 lcuk: hey, if it works, I'm all for it May 13 22:41:23 MohammadAG, thats even easier if you know asm and binary representation of numbers May 13 22:41:24 the entire thing sandboxed May 13 22:41:35 I have a calculator :P May 13 22:41:38 lcuk: there's a moment where objects get easier to handle, quite simply May 13 22:41:46 crashanddie, it depends on how you use it, like C++. you *can* use it to do exactly the same May 13 22:41:52 assembly language, oh May 13 22:42:19 yup crashanddie May 13 22:42:29 PhonicUK: try python May 13 22:42:30 then I learned about Qt, thought it would make programming like ms paint May 13 22:42:35 so I stopped reading the book May 13 22:42:36 crashanddie, why? May 13 22:42:38 lol May 13 22:42:44 apparently I was wrong about the last part May 13 22:42:55 kalikiana, sure for your own codebase you can specify the format and grammar and scope of what you expect your teams to use May 13 22:43:05 but hitting a random c++ codebase can feel like a whole other language May 13 22:43:08 PhonicUK: it has all those cheatingly easy shortcuts that programming languages should've had for ages, and just makes programming fun again May 13 22:43:19 never got the static and void parts too May 13 22:43:28 MohammadAG: those are easy May 13 22:43:32 VB.Net is the language i use for fun stuff :P May 13 22:43:39 crashanddie, easy for you to say May 13 22:43:40 C# for serious stuff May 13 22:43:46 vb6 was my toy May 13 22:43:46 C++/C for really serious stuff May 13 22:43:51 and which is why, PhonicUK, you'll never be taken seriously on this channel :) May 13 22:43:56 (sarcasm flag raised) May 13 22:43:56 lol May 13 22:43:58 :P May 13 22:44:00 PhonicUK, vb.net and c# should be functionally equivilent? May 13 22:44:05 they are May 13 22:44:07 equivalent even May 13 22:44:09 they both compile to the same intermediate binary May 13 22:44:12 theres bits of each i prefer though May 13 22:44:19 i prefer typecasting in C# May 13 22:44:19 * lcuk likes the .net framework, i hate the IDE May 13 22:44:26 equivilent == as evil one as the other May 13 22:44:36 i prefer interface and generic type handling in VB.Net May 13 22:44:39 know what's funny. when the NFL is ok with guys who drive drunk and smash into people killing them May 13 22:44:41 (or vile, if you prefer) May 13 22:44:48 or fighting dogs until one dies for fun May 13 22:44:49 the C# syntax for both feel a bit tacked on and clunky May 13 22:44:55 http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/12/nfl-marijuana-football-league-national-football-league-420-weed-shield-logo/ May 13 22:44:59 but don't mess with their logo :) May 13 22:44:59 Macer: we don't give a flying sod about nfl May 13 22:45:02 hahaha May 13 22:45:12 what's a sod? May 13 22:45:15 list MyList = new list; May 13 22:45:18 is that euro for shit? May 13 22:45:23 dim MyList as new list(of sting) May 13 22:45:37 yeah phonic May 13 22:45:46 i prefer the 2nd syntax May 13 22:45:54 PhonicUK, use vala, then you get "dim" masked as "var" in C# style syntax ;-) May 13 22:46:16 i have a credit on my damn comcast service.. how awesome is that May 13 22:46:19 they owe ME money haha May 13 22:46:39 i hate PHP xD May 13 22:46:47 which is annoying, because its what I have to use full time at work :\ May 13 22:47:17 x86 assembler is fun, in a masochistic kind of way May 13 22:47:29 ewww May 13 22:47:31 68k ftw May 13 22:47:41 lol M68xxx's are fun May 13 22:47:49 PICs are sorta fun but annoying May 13 22:47:53 ARM assembler is a pain May 13 22:48:00 SPARC assembler makes me want to tear my eyes out May 13 22:48:10 the nokia devices feel a lot like amigas to me May 13 22:48:16 multi chipset arch May 13 22:48:24 each should be pulling weight May 13 22:48:28 lcuk, I wanna run the ARM port of AROS on my N900 :) May 13 22:48:48 aros haha May 13 22:48:59 can we set up a gitorious repo with a proper kernel tree and branches for various additional features? May 13 22:49:15 right now it seems a bit complicated to follow all quick development May 13 22:49:24 lcuk: Or alternatively, all should be off, with one doing the work of them all. (in low usage scenarios) May 13 22:50:13 anyone tried to play any of the Metal Slug games in SDLMAME? May 13 22:50:28 not me May 13 22:50:34 metal slug! May 13 22:50:37 i loved those games May 13 22:50:46 hell yeah :) metal slug X was the best May 13 22:50:50 i miss neogeo May 13 22:50:55 high five for Metal Slug May 13 22:51:08 samurai showdown iv was the best too May 13 22:51:22 gah everything looks small May 13 22:51:23 time to sleep May 13 22:51:31 does anyone else get that? May 13 22:51:45 * SpeedEvil passes PhonicUK some binoculars. May 13 22:51:45 everything looks like its really small and far away (especially peoples heads) when they are tired May 13 22:51:50 i thought openarena played very well May 13 22:52:02 i found openarena a bitch to control :| May 13 22:52:07 took me a while to realize it uses the phone as a directional pad May 13 22:52:13 the whole leaning left and right thing May 13 22:52:14 >> im outahere May 13 22:52:18 i still haven't got quake 2 to start :\ May 13 22:52:29 q2 was the horrible one May 13 22:52:30 sucks that it doesn't support OpenGL ES May 13 22:52:35 cyas later #maemo MohammadAG PhonicUK Macer DocScrutinizer etc May 13 22:52:37 \o May 13 22:52:37 the first one and q3a were great May 13 22:52:41 cya lcuk May 13 22:52:48 ioquake isn't using gl? May 13 22:52:51 for quake 3? May 13 22:52:55 for quake 3 it is May 13 22:52:58 oh May 13 22:53:02 for quake 1/2 its not May 13 22:53:03 q2 sucked anyways :) May 13 22:53:07 Q1/Q2 is fun to play on my N97 :) May 13 22:53:12 heh May 13 22:53:16 cya lcuk May 13 22:53:30 q1 is a little dated.. i love q3.. openarena is actually pretty awesome as well May 13 22:53:37 although i need to practice on the phone a bit more May 13 22:53:44 it is hard for me to control it May 13 22:53:59 i can't find my Q3 disk May 13 22:54:05 the leaning will take getting used to for a little bit but with a little practice i should be able to kick some ass May 13 22:54:07 are the controls the same as openarena? May 13 22:54:15 i haven't tried straight q3 May 13 22:54:20 only openarena May 13 22:54:33 i can't find my disc either. i haven't used it in years May 13 22:54:40 i'll just download one when i get the chance May 13 22:54:46 i find the controls in openarena very clunky May 13 22:54:51 the leaning is odd May 13 22:54:53 there is one obvious option. May 13 22:55:03 That would fix this for most games. May 13 22:55:05 i wanted to hook a mouse/kb up to it May 13 22:55:07 id prefer to use the accelerometer for free look, and the keyboard for movement May 13 22:55:10 One n900 to control, one to play May 13 22:55:12 and hook it up to the tv out May 13 22:55:20 SpeedEvil: it isnt too bad May 13 22:55:28 once you get used to the leaning around it's pretty good May 13 22:55:35 but forward/backward is rather awkward though May 13 22:55:41 maybe there should be a key to stop :) heh May 13 22:56:35 looking up and down is kind of flakey too. i want to get a bt mouse and use my bt keyboard and mouse and hook it up to the tv out and roll around kicking ass in openarena on my tv using my phone May 13 22:56:47 how awesome is that? almost as awesome as it would be if it had a cups port :) May 13 22:58:19 <3 transmission ^_^ May 13 22:58:33 does anyone else have their N900 doing torrenting duty overnight? May 13 22:58:48 PhonicUK: Mine sleeps at night. May 13 22:58:56 PhonicUK: it has transmission? May 13 22:58:59 how about rtorrent? :) May 13 22:59:00 heh May 13 22:59:10 that sounds like it would murder an n900 heh May 13 22:59:17 it works really well May 13 22:59:23 * Macer poctures torrenting over tmob 3G :) May 13 22:59:25 It's not _too_ bad - on wifi May 13 22:59:27 pictures May 13 22:59:30 it's pretty bad May 13 22:59:30 Macer, I tried that May 13 22:59:35 it works supprisingly well May 13 22:59:35 it's pretty awful on 3g May 13 22:59:35 PhonicUK: did it work? :) May 13 22:59:37 hahaha May 13 22:59:40 wow really? May 13 22:59:43 that's a shock May 13 22:59:46 45KB/s May 13 22:59:49 you'll prolly need to stick it in the fridge. May 13 22:59:51 oh May 13 22:59:52 that's not too bad May 13 22:59:57 on 3G, not 3.5G May 13 22:59:57 is there a gnutella client? May 13 23:00:07 i hardly hit 3.5G May 13 23:00:18 maybe if i am stationary in certain places in chicago but usually i'm on 3G May 13 23:00:24 ive never tried it on 3.5G, i hit my home wifi first xD May 13 23:00:31 heh May 13 23:00:45 BBC iPlayer works well though :) May 13 23:01:13 and 4oD May 13 23:01:20 iTV Player doesn't work tho :( May 13 23:01:29 * SpeedEvil wishes you could download shit properly. May 13 23:01:46 SpeedEvil, I read that the wrong way :| May 13 23:01:52 what do you mean exactly anyways? May 13 23:01:57 wtf is itv? May 13 23:01:57 TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given) grrr May 13 23:01:58 heh May 13 23:02:10 MohammadAG: just get rid of 1 argument May 13 23:02:13 ITV is a British TV station May 13 23:02:15 or put a proper } in May 13 23:02:18 PhonicUK: My network is not always available May 13 23:02:23 aah May 13 23:02:29 PhonicUK: I want to be able to download stuff to flash May 13 23:02:31 Macer, I'm not sure where that argument is May 13 23:02:31 british tv? :) May 13 23:02:41 Macer: Eddie Izard. May 13 23:02:44 yes, we have TV here in England :P May 13 23:02:50 orly? May 13 23:02:51 do they show csi london or something? May 13 23:02:51 :P May 13 23:02:53 Also, the BBC stations have no advertisments :) May 13 23:02:56 LOL May 13 23:02:56 is there a csi london? May 13 23:02:58 heh May 13 23:02:58 which is awesome May 13 23:03:00 Macer: sort-of May 13 23:03:11 * SpeedEvil forgets what it's called. May 13 23:03:15 SpeedEvil: what do they call it? sherlock holmes? May 13 23:03:16 hahaha May 13 23:03:18 has anyone tried Open Remote Play? May 13 23:03:25 i know there is a british law and order May 13 23:03:28 Johnathan Creek xD May 13 23:03:43 it would be interesting if i understood british law :) May 13 23:03:48 I can vaguely recall a sort of UK-CSI one May 13 23:03:56 I forget the name though. May 13 23:04:05 SpeedEvil: sherlock holmes! :-P May 13 23:04:07 no May 13 23:04:12 TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given) May 13 23:04:16 * MohammadAG wonders what he removed May 13 23:04:25 MohammadAG: a } May 13 23:04:27 prolly something that's actually important May 13 23:04:32 oh well, the dev can fix that May 13 23:04:37 haha May 13 23:05:10 removed another argument and it's showing the same error May 13 23:05:22 well you can't randomly remove them May 13 23:05:25 he can fix that too May 13 23:05:28 haha May 13 23:05:35 that's like winning the lottery :) May 13 23:05:41 }! May 13 23:05:51 whats everyones N900 uptime? May 13 23:05:54 ah well. going to play wii with my son. ttyl May 13 23:06:06 Macer: Oh - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midsomer_Murders May 13 23:06:07 wave May 13 23:06:09 cya Macer May 13 23:06:11 ot that May 13 23:06:13 not May 13 23:06:18 TypeError: unbound method __init__() must be called with HeAboutDialog instance as first argument (got GtkButton instance instead) <-- yep I broke something May 13 23:06:26 I should get some sleep May 13 23:06:26 later all May 13 23:06:30 night PhonicUK May 13 23:06:34 n8 May 13 23:06:41 i have 3 days May 13 23:06:46 for my uptime May 13 23:06:48 same oddly enough xD May 13 23:06:52 ok.. later ;) May 13 23:06:52 + 10 hours May 13 23:06:53 WIIIIII May 13 23:07:06 * SpeedEvil ponders a killer app. May 13 23:07:10 A wii liar. May 13 23:07:13 03:07:19.00 May 13 23:07:14 trying to SSH my N900 is painful while its torrenting May 13 23:07:19 You pair a wii remote with the n900 May 13 23:07:23 03:07:19:00 May 13 23:07:30 you pair the n900 as a wii remote with the wii May 13 23:07:40 SpeedEvil: can you do that?? May 13 23:07:42 heh May 13 23:07:47 i hacked my wii May 13 23:07:49 you set a variable 'screw' - and you hand the other wii remote to your opponent May 13 23:07:51 and shoved a ton of games on a usb hd May 13 23:07:54 :) May 13 23:07:58 In principle May 13 23:08:04 hahaha May 13 23:08:08 i can see where thats going May 13 23:08:11 hehe May 13 23:08:14 you know what would be cooler? May 13 23:08:19 the ability to record and playback movements :P May 13 23:08:23 Or of course that May 13 23:08:25 macros May 13 23:08:29 hah May 13 23:08:36 yeah but you can't connect a nunchuck to the n900 May 13 23:08:40 :/ May 13 23:08:42 but it would need to control the human May 13 23:08:44 ;) May 13 23:08:46 can you connect a Wiimote? May 13 23:08:48 duct tape May 13 23:08:54 * lcuk coughs and hides May 13 23:08:55 Ive connected one of my PS3 controllers, thats quite cool to do May 13 23:08:56 lcuk: hahaha May 13 23:09:06 nunchuk connects to the wiimote May 13 23:09:09 PhonicUK: find me nba live for n900 :-D May 13 23:09:15 i love nba live May 13 23:09:17 if only the Playstation emulator was up to scratch... May 13 23:09:33 shame because theres an emu for the OpenPandora (same OMAP3 chip) that runs full speed May 13 23:09:40 how's openpandora doing? May 13 23:09:45 PhonicUK: there is a such thing as an openpandora? May 13 23:09:48 i thought that was vaporware :) May 13 23:09:51 no idea, i used to have a pandora preorder, but I cancelled it May 13 23:09:56 hahaha May 13 23:10:10 when did you preorder? 20 years ago? May 13 23:10:13 lol May 13 23:10:17 :) May 13 23:10:21 i had a preorder for about a year May 13 23:10:30 touchbook was my lesson in pre-ordering May 13 23:10:33 NEVER.... AGAIN May 13 23:10:34 i was position ~1500 ish in a queue of 4000 people May 13 23:10:49 I pre order games, but I don't think ill be preordering hardware again May 13 23:11:06 PhonicUK: are they actually shipping them out? May 13 23:11:09 not yet May 13 23:11:13 hahaha! May 13 23:11:16 STILL?? May 13 23:11:19 they're not fully assembled yet xD May 13 23:11:28 they must be making them by hand May 13 23:11:31 http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2&lang=en May 13 23:11:32 "hand crafted!" May 13 23:11:34 heh May 13 23:11:49 hence the term pre-order. like pre-historic, it's already dead but still talked about... May 13 23:11:52 I guess they had some misfortunate delays in the manufacturing and stuff, I remember seeing photos of chips that got busted in transit or something May 13 23:12:08 its been the ultimate nightmare of a project May 13 23:12:12 i hope they pull it off eventually May 13 23:12:26 weather fine here? May 13 23:12:30 I don't think i'll be getting one though May 13 23:12:38 my N900 does anything the pandora can May 13 23:12:42 and, well, now I have a cell phone that seems versatile enough, but when pandora was a new thing I thought it was pretty cool May 13 23:12:45 all it doesn't have is the gaming controls May 13 23:12:55 so they are hand crafting them! May 13 23:12:57 now the pandoras hardware is looking a bit dated May 13 23:13:05 i thoguht it was supposed to be a gaming thing May 13 23:13:06 when it first got announced it was really like, wow May 13 23:13:10 like that was its intent :) May 13 23:13:17 it is a gaming thing May 13 23:13:22 Macer: http://xkcd.com/644/ May 13 23:13:23 i was saying my N900 doesn't ahve gaming controls May 13 23:13:27 oh May 13 23:13:31 relevant xkcd is relevant. May 13 23:13:37 PhonicUK: hook up a ps3 controller :) May 13 23:13:43 way ahead of you :P May 13 23:13:45 and tv out May 13 23:13:51 PS3 controller + TV Out + Dr Nok Nes May 13 23:13:51 PhonicUK: (pandora) yeah, raster and me even planned to base a phone on that design :-D May 13 23:13:55 haha May 13 23:13:58 dr nok nes! May 13 23:14:10 ah well. bbl. ;) take care.. going now May 13 23:14:11 or Picodrive May 13 23:14:21 I played Sonic 3 on a 60" TV not so long ago May 13 23:14:23 that was sweeeeeeeeeet May 13 23:15:04 * SpeedEvil ponders. May 13 23:15:11 sonic the pixel hog May 13 23:15:18 now with ultra big pixels May 13 23:15:30 pray tell SpeedEvil, what doth ye ponder upon? May 13 23:15:45 if only the pixels were made of something that looked like real material May 13 23:15:49 Man, I can't stand CDMA carriers May 13 23:15:56 lol May 13 23:15:56 Because with GSM, they give me a service. May 13 23:16:00 LEGO bricks xD May 13 23:16:01 CDMA sell me a phone. May 13 23:16:03 yeah :) May 13 23:16:03 I was wondering what features I would want in a phone that would make it a compelling upgrade from teh n900 and is physically possible with current technology. May 13 23:16:16 Hoolxi: LEGO PIXELS FTW May 13 23:16:19 or stereoscopic pixels at least or something, and some texture on them May 13 23:16:19 SpeedEvil, what about a A9 CPU? May 13 23:16:21 SpeedEvil: smaller, bigger screen? May 13 23:16:21 s/physically/economically/ May 13 23:16:22 SpeedEvil meant: I was wondering what features I would want in a phone that would make it a compelling upgrade from teh n900 and is economically possible with current technology. May 13 23:16:24 Dual Core @ 1.2GHz May 13 23:16:29 I'd want a crypto-engine. May 13 23:16:36 ManoftheSea: yes - at least half the size, with a 12" screen. May 13 23:16:37 maybe a higher resolution screen the same size May 13 23:16:41 ManoftheSea: tere is one May 13 23:16:45 I assume you've all seen the youtube video 8-bit trip by some swedish guys May 13 23:16:55 SpeedEvil: fullsize screen *FUUL*size May 13 23:16:57 SpeedEvil: crypto-engine in the A8? May 13 23:17:05 oh hell yes. May 13 23:17:15 http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org/msg04318.html May 13 23:17:18 et al May 13 23:17:24 DocScrutinizer: yes - that May 13 23:17:29 If I actually owned an n900, ALL my traffic would be ipsec and ssl tunneled back to my home simply because I can. May 13 23:17:32 DocScrutinizer: multitouch might be good May 13 23:17:38 no friggin bezel May 13 23:17:40 But I'm only evaluating the n900 May 13 23:17:47 frame whatever May 13 23:18:05 wait, only sha1 and md5? May 13 23:18:16 What are you trying to pull, I thought you said it supported crypto May 13 23:18:20 SpeedEvil: yeah, surface wave May 13 23:18:23 I want a screen that unfolds to be 1ft across May 13 23:18:37 and is 100000x300000 pixels in resolution May 13 23:18:39 ManoftheSea: I haven't read deeper. It may be just a hardware hasning unit May 13 23:18:40 why not 20 feet May 13 23:18:49 and a 4GHz octocore processor May 13 23:18:55 PhonicUK, bad luck if it gets stuck in the car door May 13 23:18:56 and 2 weeks continual battery life May 13 23:19:09 I like my gPC. It's a Via C-7, it's got some padlock thing... May 13 23:19:09 PhonicUK, so, you want to be an engineer then? ;) May 13 23:19:12 Which is why I said physically and economically possible. May 13 23:19:21 joga, Arguably, I'm already an engineer :P May 13 23:19:27 my job title is "Software Engineer" May 13 23:19:28 AES in hardware, two thermal RNGs May 13 23:19:42 SpeedEvil: and, depending on what you're wiling to carry around for bat weight, built-in microprojector, also usable as a desktop virtual keyboard May 13 23:19:47 its almost ironic, because guess who I work for :P May 13 23:19:49 PhonicUK, I bet a hardware engineer is needed to get the display you want May 13 23:19:52 :) May 13 23:19:56 lol May 13 23:20:07 Actually, I'd like a slightly larger battery. May 13 23:20:11 DocScrutinizer: Or alternatively, an a4 sheet of paper, with a keyboard on itand the front camera. May 13 23:20:17 12 hours under routine use, 3 under constant use. May 13 23:20:24 SpeedEvil: you want an iPad? May 13 23:20:27 heh, not bad either May 13 23:20:28 good morning May 13 23:20:41 ManoftheSea, hmm, I think it already lasts that long at least May 13 23:20:44 SpeedEvil: you already patented it? ;-D May 13 23:20:49 joga: that's what I'm seeing. May 13 23:20:51 I want more. May 13 23:21:03 I really should sleep May 13 23:21:05 later all May 13 23:21:06 my routine use without heavy load is something I can do for probably 3 days May 13 23:21:11 Course... I also wanted to buy solar panals and a LiIon pack, with a USB charger. May 13 23:21:22 Leave the panels in the sun, come back to my car and plug it in, etc. May 13 23:21:25 ManoftheSea: The ipad is too heavy. May 13 23:21:27 SpeedEvil: HDMI and a nice visor May 13 23:21:32 with eyetracking May 13 23:21:35 joga: 3 days on the same charge? May 13 23:21:36 It's 0.7Kg. May 13 23:21:37 N900 would be awesome with HDMI out May 13 23:21:56 HDMI? Isn't that some DRM? You can't have that on Linux! May 13 23:22:06 ManoftheSea, yeah, I just used it for almost 2 days while ircing and using gps and maps quite a bit, and surfing occasionally May 13 23:22:10 For 1.1Kg, I had a 8 hour battery life laptop, that had a nice keyboard, trackstick, and the same size of screen. May 13 23:22:19 SpeedEvil: not the ones they got in mission impossible ;-P May 13 23:22:19 Mg/Al case May 13 23:22:22 joga: how? I can't get it to last one day, even if I don't use it. May 13 23:22:34 is there a firmware update I might need to do? May 13 23:23:03 SpeedEvil: 3D!!! the KILLER FEATURE May 13 23:23:16 nad SOOO simple May 13 23:23:38 N900 would be awesome with HDMI out May 13 23:23:40 host mode! May 13 23:23:43 For proper 3d, they need to get with the fleshlight people. May 13 23:23:45 bah May 13 23:23:46 :P May 13 23:23:50 ManoftheSea: I dunno, the only two semi-active widgets I have are omweather and some rss ticker, and they only do it like every 4 hours, I've disabled the vibration response on the touchscreen, and not much else I guess May 13 23:23:53 MohammadAG: Indeed - I want composite in too. May 13 23:23:54 hostmode -worth nuttin! May 13 23:24:03 why :( May 13 23:24:06 lol May 13 23:24:13 SpeedEvil, yeah, composite's good for me May 13 23:24:20 I just recently disabled the vibration... Since starting the motor is the largest drain on current. May 13 23:24:21 thought you lost hope or something lol May 13 23:24:25 MohammadAG: So I can hook up really sensitive security cam to the n900 and see in IR May 13 23:24:28 I'll see how it affects it. May 13 23:24:30 ManoftheSea: also I don't stay logged in to skype unless I'm using wireless, 3G+skype seems to hog some May 13 23:24:37 SpeedEvil, tbh I want lasers May 13 23:25:01 ManoftheSea: and if I want to save it even more, I put the screen to its dimmest and just use gsm May 13 23:25:09 laser driven micro projector May 13 23:25:15 no focusing May 13 23:25:26 I'm on at&t May 13 23:25:28 DocScrutinizer, just a 200mW laser May 13 23:25:42 Like I said, I'm only borrowing it. So I took my pre-existing SIM May 13 23:25:49 lasers are not magic May 13 23:25:53 they have diffraction May 13 23:25:59 MohammadAG: three! red, green, blue May 13 23:26:11 * SpeedEvil sees four lights. May 13 23:26:36 I want front camera during skype calls. May 13 23:26:41 do not look into laser with remainging eye May 13 23:26:47 LOL May 13 23:26:52 hehe May 13 23:27:09 ManoftheSea: also, I've seen some bad behavior from hildon-home (or -desktop, can't remember), where whenever I click the lock switch and the desktop is displayed, it starts computing something for a few seconds until it becomes responsive. it's some known bug I hope will be fixed, or some problem with a certain widget because rebooting resolves it until it appears again (maybe when they're updated?) May 13 23:27:33 well most of my right eye still functioning well. Just the dark spot up there on the right border of vision May 13 23:27:46 so I keep a cpu/mem statusbar thingy there and I can see if something is using cycles a lot May 13 23:27:53 but then that was a 3W green May 13 23:28:01 not a silly 200mW May 13 23:28:19 I've had trouble with hildon freezing too. May 13 23:28:33 Usually right around 3 days uptime. May 13 23:28:50 DocScrutinizer, or all three together May 13 23:29:06 http://www.moillusions.com/2006/03/find-your-blind-spot-trick.html May 13 23:29:13 no thanks May 13 23:29:15 random eye-related May 13 23:29:17 aah for me May 13 23:29:39 I got 2 blind spots in my right eye :-D May 13 23:29:40 oh expected something with lasers lol May 13 23:30:16 if they would adapt that thing for me? May 13 23:30:34 that was disturbing x.x May 13 23:30:43 I felt 3 spots o.O May 13 23:30:50 I'd like other kinds of commo on my n900... Maybe a walky-talky feature? May 13 23:31:06 with my glasses on I always saw it May 13 23:31:10 push-talk would be a good app May 13 23:31:28 * MohammadAG donates to SpeedEvil, make one! May 13 23:32:08 http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/05/how-removing-ps3-linux-hurts-the-air-force.ars lol May 13 23:32:58 PTT is a standard app of most carriers May 13 23:33:16 just nobody needs it May 13 23:33:16 encrypted ptt might be fun May 13 23:33:22 obviously orange isn't one of those most May 13 23:33:23 yeah May 13 23:33:29 DocScrutinizer: it is handy in some cases May 13 23:33:39 DocScrutinizer: wherever you'd use a walky-talky. May 13 23:33:47 hmm, how is it better than a conference? May 13 23:33:56 no continuous call May 13 23:34:00 can be cheaper May 13 23:34:02 true May 13 23:34:14 more power saving May 13 23:34:30 I'd want walky-talky that didn't touch the cell net. May 13 23:34:44 I'd also liek a pony May 13 23:34:53 though no-TX-on-silence should do reasonably well for power conservation May 13 23:34:55 * MohammadAG throws a pony at ManoftheSea May 13 23:35:38 is it UHF radio? May 13 23:35:45 * DocScrutinizer sends B52 with 3 megatons ponies May 13 23:36:03 is WHAT a UHF? May 13 23:36:16 or "what is IT"? May 13 23:38:08 SpeedEvil: basically a GSM conference with all the power saving option in place on the phones *is* automatic/VOX PTT May 13 23:38:22 walkie-talkie, generally UHF radio May 13 23:39:06 a walkietalkie can be several things, from 27MHz CB to 886MHz digital May 13 23:39:18 or two cups with a string between them May 13 23:39:19 there are several standards May 13 23:39:29 anyone using a brodit holder with proclip addon? May 13 23:39:41 thinkin of gettin it... May 13 23:39:49 I'm using a flux capacitor May 13 23:40:06 * MohammadAG reminds DocScrutinizer to check his /queries May 13 23:41:06 DocScrutinizer: and yes - but often conf calls are expensive to setup May 13 23:41:20 DocScrutinizer: also - FM TX/RX are a walkie-talkie too. May 13 23:41:38 (just that you might as well talk normally, it has more range) May 13 23:42:30 yes May 13 23:42:55 far more May 13 23:43:43 still it might come in handy for usecases where you *want* a small range: NFC for pairing etc May 13 23:44:13 yeah May 13 23:45:11 you seen the "take two phones and shake them" for generating a shared secret? :-D May 13 23:45:22 I love that. May 13 23:45:31 that genius May 13 23:47:24 DocScrutinizer, I assume you have taken the precautionary measures and put this sign up? http://ptbuggy.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/flux-capacitor.jpeg May 13 23:59:07 frals, any idea why you got 1 thumbs down on fMMS May 14 00:00:50 Lack of a drunk-mms filter? May 14 00:01:00 LOL May 14 00:01:22 burrp May 14 00:01:44 (no beer - FAIL) May 14 00:10:38 * pupnik_ is sipping a nice cianti May 14 00:14:24 * DocScrutinizer considers a nice Ceylon first flush May 14 00:17:56 is it possible to run OpenGL ES stuff on the desktop? May 14 00:18:22 I compiled an armel binary from an example and tried to run it but it just made Xephyr crash. May 14 00:19:02 umm May 14 00:19:17 if it's an armel binary, how exactly do you want to run it? May 14 00:19:25 in qemu? May 14 00:19:29 the SDK emulator only runs on the X86 target May 14 00:19:34 ok May 14 00:19:46 so either compile it for X86, or use an N900 :) May 14 00:19:52 so basically, I can't run OpenGL ES stuff on the desktop, at least not with these libraries May 14 00:19:53 I'd go for the latter May 14 00:20:08 I can't compile for X86 May 14 00:20:12 not sure, aren't there OpenGL ES libraries for the X86 target May 14 00:20:12 the libraries aren't available May 14 00:20:13 oh May 14 00:20:21 N900 it is then May 14 00:20:26 well, maybe there are libraries available somewhere May 14 00:20:39 but most likely not in the maemo/nokia repos May 14 00:20:47 maybe PowerVR has an emulator or something? May 14 00:21:33 um MohammadAG you can run ARMel binaries in SDK May 14 00:22:01 pupnik, the emulator won't run May 14 00:22:28 pupnik, if it's OpenGL, I'm assuming he needs on screen output from an emu, not from a shell May 14 00:22:44 MohammadAG: that's what the X server is for May 14 00:22:46 your statement seemed to be more general than opengl. nevermind May 14 00:23:08 Pekuja_, the emulator won't start, it's a known "issue" May 14 00:23:11 ~MaemoSDK May 14 00:23:13 rumour has it, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation May 14 00:23:13 I'm not sure if OpenGL runs, but I'm pretty sure normal X11 software can run if console software can May 14 00:23:15 last part there ^ May 14 00:23:15 oh? May 14 00:23:46 * Armel target does not bring up the UI framework May 14 00:24:06 what does exactly mean? May 14 00:24:24 Pekuja_, the emulator won't start, it's a known "issue" May 14 00:24:37 what is "the emulator"? May 14 00:24:48 the UI May 14 00:25:08 though emulator is not the best word to describe it May 14 00:25:26 since on X86 it's not actually emulating anything May 14 00:25:57 the other day we were talking a bit about charging currents for the N900.. how about that little adapter that came with the N900? :> May 14 00:28:39 there was no little adapter with my N900 May 14 00:29:42 EU devices only afaik May 14 00:29:51 it didn't come with my US device May 14 00:30:04 tbh it's not that good, it over heats a lot May 14 00:30:49 is there some sort of adapter that has a mic so that i could plug any normal headphone to it (for the n900)? May 14 00:30:58 i see.... yeah mine is US May 14 00:31:49 pigeon, no idea if the N95 ones work May 14 00:31:51 or similar May 14 00:32:01 anything pre-N97 to be more precise May 14 00:32:14 actually the N97 had a two piece headset May 14 00:32:53 the BH-214 if you want a BT "adapter" May 14 00:33:32 oh, bluetooth only? May 14 00:33:55 the N97 ones were wired May 14 00:34:02 so were the N95 ones May 14 00:34:12 but again, no idea if they'd work May 14 00:34:17 but I assume they should May 14 00:37:19 alright, well I will just keep it in my box then I guess :> May 14 00:37:45 I guess nobody here does OpenGL development then? May 14 00:38:41 i modified an openGL app May 14 00:41:06 Plenty of people here do OpenGL development. May 14 00:41:22 At least for some definition of "here". May 14 00:47:41 derf: it just seems to be hard to get any answers to GL questions :-( May 14 01:03:29 pigeon: any cheap crap from the import/export shop next door will probably do May 14 01:04:35 pigeon: N900 has a 3pin stereo headphones 3.5mm compatible 4pin headset AV connector. That's as standard as it could possibly get May 14 01:05:50 there's a zillion mic-adapter + headphones sets, starting at 5bucks May 14 01:06:28 and all of them will work to the quality they're built May 14 01:07:26 * MohammadAG misses this from his N95 http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/81586_headset.jpg May 14 01:07:39 the smart one that is? May 14 01:07:45 with multiple buttons? May 14 01:08:22 yeah, those won't work on N900 May 14 01:08:35 at least not as expected May 14 01:09:13 dunno how they work on those phones where they do. Maybe you could hack up sth for N900 May 14 01:09:34 bu tootb maemo won't support those afaik May 14 01:10:25 DocScrutinizer, it doesn't afaik May 14 01:10:40 the N97 mini has the same headset as the N900, but with buttons May 14 01:11:03 http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IQvea8OOl_4/SxfbkCiY3hI/AAAAAAAAFf4/JZWqlPn0v-M/s1600/30112009669.jpg May 14 01:12:33 n97 mini is beautiful May 14 01:14:42 it's fugly May 14 01:16:27 you mean the keyboard? May 14 01:16:49 the sliding mechanism is sweet May 14 01:21:30 the N97 is awesome (in terms of design), the N97 mini is just ugly May 14 01:23:39 right. i have a lovely pair of coconuts. May 14 01:27:46 night lcuk :P May 14 01:27:59 my maemo sdk gui installer is failing on dpkg problems, does anyone know a solution? May 14 01:28:10 thanks DocScrutinizer May 14 01:28:21 and thanks MohammadAG too May 14 01:28:25 do you use the vmware image for the sdk kdubois May 14 01:28:30 np :) May 14 01:28:47 most probably not, it doesn't need an insatller May 14 01:28:53 no, i just downloaded the gui python installer i found on the wiki. here's the problem in the log http://pastebin.com/FrevVyGy May 14 01:28:56 kdubois, post the log on pastebin.com May 14 01:29:02 bah May 14 01:29:10 * pigeon is a new n900 owner, had it for about a week, and loving it. May 14 01:29:22 welcome aboard :) May 14 01:29:29 maemo-core-runtime depends on sudo; however: ???? May 14 01:29:38 *depends* on ubuntu? May 14 01:29:41 pupnik, Ubuntu 10.04? May 14 01:30:06 * pupnik farts May 14 01:30:22 is that... a yes? May 14 01:30:23 the host is ubuntu10.04 May 14 01:30:41 * MohammadAG needs a link May 14 01:30:44 ~MaemoSDK May 14 01:30:45 from memory, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation May 14 01:30:51 ~thanks May 14 01:30:51 gern geschehen, MohammadAG May 14 01:30:54 ~botsnack May 14 01:30:55 MohammadAG: thanks May 14 01:31:32 kdubois, read the 10.04 part here http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution May 14 01:32:07 alright, will give it a try May 14 01:32:26 worked for me May 14 02:05:06 two things May 14 02:05:21 1. I want a google wave client, wasn't someone in here in possession of the API? May 14 02:05:31 2. I need a good image viewer that supports folders in folders :) May 14 02:06:51 shinkamui: there is none AFAIK not even Chrome :) they all crumble under large waves May 14 02:07:26 yea, I can't even find a pc client for wave May 14 02:07:28 it kills me May 14 02:07:49 the media player does folders in folders May 14 02:07:58 Of course - it won't actually show you the folders May 14 02:08:01 which... May 14 02:08:03 shinkamui: I think it will rather kill wave. they made too much of a public announcement May 14 02:09:03 I just uploaded like 200 pictures into a wave May 14 02:09:09 firefox is struggling May 14 02:09:27 and this is on a quad core 3.4ghz box with 6gigs of ram May 14 02:09:54 SpeedEvil, lols, thats what sucks May 14 02:10:05 I want to keep my porn less integrated... May 14 02:10:33 ecmascript as platform is just too taxing on memory and cpu. JIT helps, but is not the silver bullet May 14 02:10:33 but seriously, I have lots and lots of photos that I want to keep sorted May 14 02:10:51 I keep them well nested by category, date, names, etc May 14 02:11:28 so its aggravating to see them all jumbled in the damn main media player. I excluded the root folder, and would like to use them individually. Mediabox works ok, the problem is mediabox handles image viewing crappily May 14 02:11:47 well, I guess beggers can't be choosers May 14 02:15:38 shinkamui: want to help make gqview a maemo app? May 14 02:15:51 it is blazing fast May 14 02:16:13 and you browse pics by directory, as it should be May 14 02:17:07 I would love to May 14 02:17:15 what needs to be done May 14 02:19:04 would that be geeqie now? May 14 02:22:29 yes sir, pigeon May 14 02:22:34 but that name sucks May 14 02:22:45 heh May 14 02:25:10 woot May 14 02:34:26 got the sdk installation working, thanks all. May 14 02:38:35 pupnik, whats your current progress May 14 02:38:46 have a project site or an svn or source tree? May 14 02:38:52 for what May 14 02:39:10 started juggling things again May 14 02:39:22 * SpeedEvil passes pupnik a flaming duck. May 14 02:39:30 gqview May 14 02:40:05 didn't do anything but figure out how to upload it May 14 02:40:14 there are some keybindings i think i can do May 14 02:40:18 right now, other project May 14 02:40:31 got ya May 14 02:40:38 so its pretty much just a straight port atm? May 14 02:40:52 I can probably pick that up, I just set up madde on my laptop to give that some love May 14 02:40:52 * kdubois thinks he made a good decision by picking the n900 over an android phone last week :P May 14 02:40:55 perfect setup May 14 02:41:25 really been meaning to put the XT2 to use more May 14 02:41:50 and I think I read that madde supports wireless remote exec on the device May 14 02:41:54 with debugging May 14 02:42:07 nice shinkamui May 14 02:43:53 gentlemen. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri May 14 02:59:56 2010