**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 16 02:59:57 2010 May 16 03:00:10 I guess /etc/init.d/rcS is where it's all kicked off May 16 03:00:28 crashanddie is gone :( May 16 03:00:33 yep. I've tried to set 'console owner' which didn't really help May 16 03:00:35 rcS? Isn't that the shutdown runlevel? May 16 03:01:03 also i heard that pr1.2 will increase the population of red ants May 16 03:01:39 can someone please give me some help to start going here ? I want to compile a bunch of libs to my n810, I got the sources, those libs depend on basic stuff like libpng etc... I managed to get them working even on windows with mingw ! please some help ! May 16 03:02:22 ManoftheSea: I don't think you can generalise. It mounts /proc and starts bootchart if it exists - so I assume it's quite early. May 16 03:02:28 is there a simple howto on setting up a compilation environment, wether on linux or windows, to make stuff work on N810 ? May 16 03:03:56 kpoman: I think there's a 10 GB virtual image for developing for fremantle. You could see if there's one for Diablo May 16 03:04:41 ManoftheSea: ok, so lets start by the beginning, what is diablo ? :) May 16 03:04:51 is it a newer kernel and libs ? May 16 03:04:52 inittab is good too May 16 03:04:52 Maemo 4, I think. May 16 03:04:57 Someone stop me if I go wrong. May 16 03:05:21 how do I check if I do have latest ? May 16 03:05:28 I believe Diablo is Maemo 4, which runs on the n800 and n810 May 16 03:05:56 diablo was the last incarnation of maemo 4, yeah (there were a bunch) May 16 03:06:00 any of you got a fremantle (n900)? I want to know if possible what was root's original pw inside /etc/passwd file May 16 03:06:16 hatake: i think its rootme May 16 03:06:35 diablo is a computer game ;) May 16 03:06:37 ManoftheSea: I got a brazilian N810 some days ago ... Is there a way to check if I have latest stuff ? May 16 03:06:49 ManoftheSea: for example my kernel seems really old May 16 03:06:57 but in here is reffered as the last version of the previouse maemo release May 16 03:07:12 I don't know, kpoman May 16 03:07:19 2.6.21-omap1 May 16 03:07:36 diablo is Spanish for 'devil' IIRC May 16 03:07:37 wirr, or preferrably the original encrypted version of the passwd, I know the length is shorter than the usual *nix type passwords May 16 03:07:37 no problem dude :) May 16 03:07:41 i dont know either May 16 03:07:42 thank you luke-jr May 16 03:07:46 kpoman: N8x0 is a dead platform May 16 03:07:58 luke-jr: well it is cheap here :) May 16 03:07:59 kpoman: Nokia hasn't maintained it in over a year, and it's too closed for the community to do so May 16 03:08:07 symbian? May 16 03:08:19 hatake: if you're lucky i've just bricked my n900 so i'll have to reflash and can lookup the original string May 16 03:08:20 luke-jr: see basically I wanna port some biometric libs to that platform to make this a mobile biometric platform May 16 03:08:25 2.6.21 is an ancient (read: no longer supported by the Linux community) version of Linux, but latest that runs on N8x0 May 16 03:08:32 those n800s are chao as the others mentioned May 16 03:08:46 kpoman: they're cheap because they're useless now May 16 03:08:50 i wonder if it can take some barebone debian on it May 16 03:08:59 luke-jr: not so much, this supports usb and linux May 16 03:09:05 it doesn't support Linux May 16 03:09:05 wirr, :o how did you manage to brick it? May 16 03:09:10 just Nokia's fork of 2.6.21 May 16 03:09:15 kpoman: biometric? Like, blood samples? May 16 03:09:19 you can't run any current Linux-based OS on it May 16 03:09:20 luke-jr: lol :p it does run May 16 03:09:26 ManoftheSea: no, fingerprint device May 16 03:09:42 kpoman: it's a resistive touchscreen. I don't think it can read fingerprints May 16 03:09:50 ManoftheSea: i do work a lot with biometric software, like AFIS systems etc.. May 16 03:10:00 The new N900 will have retina scanner May 16 03:10:03 cool. What's the reader, though? May 16 03:10:13 DaGame: lolwut? Using the camera? May 16 03:10:19 wirr: you can integrate it with your encrypted partition May 16 03:10:24 Those torches are plenty bright, it'd hurt my eyes May 16 03:10:49 the new N900 will have a flamethrower builtin too May 16 03:10:51 pretty sweet May 16 03:11:02 ManoftheSea: I have some fingerprint devices able to capture with libusb, I have some libs for matching, coding, etc.. that could be compiled for ARM, I have some libs written in python by myself that I want to port to mobile devices (wether android or maemo)... I think there is a whole future for them May 16 03:11:29 ManoftheSea: the idea is to use intesively host mode for usb devices, and all the connectivity from those devices too May 16 03:11:35 the new N900 will be shipped with external fm receiver that can be surgically placed in the users brain May 16 03:11:42 kpoman: why not just grab some $20 thing? May 16 03:11:48 kpoman: don't you need the nxxx to be a usb host? May 16 03:12:00 ManoftheSea: N8x0 has USB host May 16 03:12:02 luke-jr: 20$ thing ?? May 16 03:12:06 oh. May 16 03:12:11 ManoftheSea: n810 support host mode May 16 03:12:12 kpoman: yeah, like NSLU2 or such May 16 03:12:13 so why doesn't n900? May 16 03:12:15 thats why i bought it May 16 03:12:19 ManoftheSea: Nokia screwed up again May 16 03:12:29 eh, they seem to get some things right. May 16 03:12:34 like what? May 16 03:12:36 ManoftheSea: because it is too expensive for me in brazil (120% of taxes) May 16 03:12:41 N810 was the worst handheld I've owned May 16 03:12:47 hatake_kakashi: not yet bricked - could happen anytime - heavily messing up the upstart scripts ;-) May 16 03:12:55 Using debian, instead of a fractured "open" OS *coughAndroidcough* May 16 03:12:57 kpoman: he means USB host; N900 doesn't support it May 16 03:13:00 luke-jr: maybe however lsusb gives some devices :) May 16 03:13:00 n900 is just the next project... we are still far from complete product May 16 03:13:02 -/+ buffers/cache: 1015136 1061316 May 16 03:13:09 ManoftheSea: Maemo is more closed than Android May 16 03:13:51 if someone could help me set up a dev environment so I am able to compile my libs and just copy them to my device I would be inmensely grateful May 16 03:14:06 kpoman: just install Gentoo and build natively May 16 03:14:07 :D May 16 03:14:08 kpoman: sorry dude, can't help you. May 16 03:14:24 wirr, ahh ok, I was getting a little worried when you said about bricking it.. I know there would be lots of potential places to possibly brick the device.. and it'll be very disturbing to have it bricked within 3 days of original device purchase date May 16 03:14:27 luke-jr: I love gentoo :) but how can I use a gentoo box to compile stuff for n810 ? May 16 03:14:45 luke-jr: I was looking at some system block diagram something or other... And it seemed like the closed parts were basically the cellular parts. May 16 03:14:51 kpoman: no, no. install Gentoo *on* the N810 May 16 03:14:52 luke-jr: or even a windows box (cygwin) or whatever May 16 03:14:55 kpoman: DON'T DO IT! May 16 03:14:56 Which I can understand being closed, because FCC. May 16 03:14:59 haha May 16 03:15:01 http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 May 16 03:15:03 hehe May 16 03:15:06 use easydeb and install the dev env May 16 03:15:08 :) May 16 03:15:12 see my notebook doesnt even have a card reader May 16 03:15:16 kpoman: n810 runs maemo, you should be able to obtain the source code and compile it May 16 03:15:18 and I want to advance tonight :) May 16 03:15:21 kpoman: mine either; so? May 16 03:15:32 DaGame: Maemo isn't open source May 16 03:15:38 DaGame: ok, so basically to start going, I need to download maemo sources for n810 ? May 16 03:15:56 n810 is abandoned and obsolete May 16 03:15:57 sigh May 16 03:15:59 kpoman: install Gentoo from Maemo, then just boot it :P May 16 03:16:04 luke-jr: home come... then why all that buzz around it May 16 03:16:23 DaGame: Nokia is good (or bad, if you don't like false advertising) at marketting May 16 03:16:26 There are closed components of Maemo. There are also open components May 16 03:16:31 luke-jr: lol I dont even know how to boot this :) and also, do I have space for portage on my flash memory ? ;) May 16 03:16:37 ManoftheSea: that argument goes for OS X May 16 03:16:44 Nokia doesn't even know if they OUGHT to advert the n900. May 16 03:16:49 kpoman: no, it requires a MiniSD card May 16 03:16:56 Yes i know that there are proprietary drivers and modules as the ones for the gsm for example May 16 03:16:57 Everyone who knows why they want one already knows about it. May 16 03:17:03 but the os should be downloadable May 16 03:17:03 ManoftheSea: marketting is more than paid advertisements May 16 03:17:05 And everyone who doesn't know what it is, doesn't want it. May 16 03:17:13 luke-jr: ok, so basically is there a bios on my device to select where to boot from ? May 16 03:17:23 hatake: i have mine for about 30hrs and bricked it 3 times already... no risk no fun. it's easy to reflash with the flasher utility May 16 03:17:24 kpoman: no, you need to install bootmenu too May 16 03:17:34 kpoman: it's after the kernel loads, but before the rootfs is mounted May 16 03:17:39 i think it's time i make a real box for virtualboxing May 16 03:17:40 :) May 16 03:17:41 luke-jr: bootmenu is a port of lilo grub ? May 16 03:17:41 kpoman: see that link May 16 03:17:46 http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 May 16 03:17:50 no, LILO and GRUB are x86 only May 16 03:17:51 wirr, speaking of which I'll need to look for that as well lol May 16 03:17:56 i guess i can build a phenom for like $100 May 16 03:17:56 heh May 16 03:18:03 phenom's have vt support right? May 16 03:18:26 Macer: could always use kqemu May 16 03:18:54 heh. no thanks. i am running vboxes on a dual amd 265 May 16 03:19:07 and it runs like crap :) even if it uses opensolaris/zfs May 16 03:19:25 I'm happy with my Athlon64 3200+ (single core) May 16 03:19:29 heh May 16 03:19:41 not so happy with the mobo it needs, but oh well May 16 03:19:42 luke-jr: well. i'm running like 6 vboxes on it.. one of which runs zimbra which is a resource whore May 16 03:19:47 not going to replace it just for a new mobo May 16 03:19:54 ... May 16 03:20:04 I was going to use Zimbra until I tried it May 16 03:20:08 heh May 16 03:20:12 that crazy crap wants like GBs of RAM May 16 03:20:14 IIRC May 16 03:20:14 you noticed all the little things? May 16 03:20:26 yeah. my vbox uses 2 May 16 03:20:29 I noticed the out of memory messages May 16 03:20:30 :p May 16 03:20:31 which isn't TOO bad for it May 16 03:20:36 I had it capped at like 128 MB May 16 03:20:40 i was going to bump it up to 4 May 16 03:20:46 128MB? haha May 16 03:20:48 my PC only has 2 GB RAM May 16 03:20:55 wtf is it 1989? May 16 03:20:59 :) May 16 03:21:07 my VPS server is always tight on RAM too :p May 16 03:21:12 I think it has 8 GB May 16 03:21:21 my server has 8GB ecc May 16 03:21:25 * luke-jr smacks DaGame May 16 03:21:31 it's not too bad of a box for being older May 16 03:22:12 I want to get one of those 100-core systems :p May 16 03:22:24 put it in a DC and rent out RPS on it May 16 03:22:42 haha May 16 03:22:52 hmm, my IRC bot uses the most RAM on my VPS server May 16 03:23:04 5.1% of 8 GB May 16 03:23:16 420 MB, wtf May 16 03:23:18 resource hog May 16 03:23:21 I need a new bot May 16 03:23:31 i'll be happy with a quad core phenom with vt support May 16 03:23:46 i'm still iffy about the tri-core heh May 16 03:23:52 luke-jr: what is your bot doing? May 16 03:23:53 sorry May 16 03:23:58 why not get one of those 16 cores? :p May 16 03:24:06 DaGame: it manages a few channels May 16 03:24:13 eggdrop? May 16 03:24:15 no May 16 03:24:17 supybot May 16 03:24:19 you can do the "well.. all cpus are broken" thing but i don't care.. amd had a crap product with crappy engineering and mistakes in production that wound up breaking a huge amount of inventory May 16 03:24:29 Macer: no May 16 03:24:34 heh May 16 03:24:38 i havent used irc in more than 5 years May 16 03:24:47 Macer: there are *always* manuf defects. that's why there's different speeds May 16 03:24:48 in my time the eggdrop was THE bot May 16 03:24:57 Macer: they make a ton then test the max speed they can handle May 16 03:24:58 and those tcl you have to write for it May 16 03:25:04 luke-jr: broken cores? May 16 03:25:06 :) May 16 03:25:10 i don't buy it May 16 03:25:12 Macer: it's part of normal production May 16 03:25:14 how do one compile or port a lib or whatever to maemo n810 ? May 16 03:25:15 Intel has it too May 16 03:25:19 i still don't buy it May 16 03:25:22 haha May 16 03:25:27 i'll give you the speed testing May 16 03:25:32 Macer: with multi-core CPUs, sometimes it's better to disable 1 of 4 cores rather than clock them all lower May 16 03:25:47 if 3 rate significantly faster May 16 03:25:49 i still don't buy it ;) May 16 03:25:58 i think they had an engineering defect May 16 03:26:05 kpoman: maybe you need to install some compiler first... something like gcc May 16 03:26:07 Macer: just the normal 'defects' May 16 03:26:14 a major one May 16 03:26:16 heh May 16 03:26:27 Macer: 3 cores can handle 2.5 GHz, the other can only push 1.5 GHz May 16 03:26:30 DaGame: I do have one on a gentoo box , do I need to download an environment to chroot into ? May 16 03:26:43 should they rate it as 1.5 GHz, or drop the slower one and sell it as tri-core 2.5 GHz? May 16 03:26:48 DaGame: how does dependencies work on this ? May 16 03:27:15 kpoman: have no idea man... just talking general stuff. sorry May 16 03:27:18 6 (quad-core) vs 7.5 (tri-core) overall May 16 03:27:21 luke-jr: they should recycle them into raw materials and remake them May 16 03:27:22 :) May 16 03:27:29 Macer: nobody does that May 16 03:27:35 do someone know how to compile extra libs for a n810 ? May 16 03:27:55 Macer: it would make them insanely expensive May 16 03:28:02 well, for a CPU May 16 03:28:10 which IIRC tend to cost under a buck normally May 16 03:28:12 :p May 16 03:28:46 but still, it's better business to just sell them for what they *can* handle than to remake 75% of them May 16 03:28:53 luke-jr: when did amd come out with tri core cpus? May 16 03:28:58 shrug May 16 03:29:09 when they realized underclocking all 4 cores because of 1 was dumb? May 16 03:29:58 man my new pc has i7... this freaking thing is super fast May 16 03:30:17 * luke-jr really probably should build a new PC one of these days... May 16 03:30:30 in the past 5 years, I've focussed on handhelds and servers XD May 16 03:30:59 but I need more memory, and some of these newer SATA HDs don't like my early-adopter-SATA mobo May 16 03:31:00 http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=AMD May 16 03:31:34 you can see when amd announced the reason behind the tri-cores towards the end of 2007 :) May 16 03:32:04 * DaGame is bored May 16 03:32:31 you can see the two dips towards the end of 2007 and when the tri-core was actually released.. then the big economic collapse happens later in the hear :) poor amd May 16 03:32:38 at one point they were killing intel May 16 03:33:19 and in the rest of the points, intel was killing them ;) May 16 03:33:32 yeah heh May 16 03:33:36 Macer: that was a defect, but not related to tri-core IIRC May 16 03:33:45 it required a software workaround May 16 03:34:02 luke-jr: :) just back to back huh? May 16 03:34:31 DaGame: Intel got lazy and just wanted to make money; AMD released processors that won out by far, then Intel got serious :x May 16 03:35:25 i think amd just got big-headed and slacked off once they got on top May 16 03:35:57 luke-jr: dont take me wrong... I was a big amd fan... changed many pcs over the time... but at the end finally understand that intel is intel and thats all about it... at least for me May 16 03:35:58 put in resources into crappily engineered cpus and lost out when intel came out after awesome QC and totally murdered them after their defective phenoms May 16 03:36:00 Intel was like... man, they're doing good work. May 16 03:36:15 YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! SSJ-Intel May 16 03:36:50 then all intel had to do is simply say "ours work" May 16 03:36:50 haha May 16 03:36:58 lol May 16 03:37:00 floating point bug May 16 03:37:05 I am not getting impressed easly by a cpu... but my new i7 is really impressive work i think May 16 03:37:17 i7s are beasts May 16 03:37:25 but they cost more than the $20 phenom May 16 03:37:35 that runs "almost as fast as" May 16 03:37:39 they do? ;) May 16 03:37:46 I can get an i7 dedi for like $60/mo May 16 03:38:05 that's a $40 difference ;) May 16 03:38:19 in this dog eat dog world we go by percentage May 16 03:38:21 $20 included the mobo, disk, RAM, and connection? :p May 16 03:38:27 HAHA May 16 03:38:30 probably! May 16 03:38:57 i7 Q820... insaine May 16 03:39:21 I can only image what the desktop versions of i7 can do May 16 03:41:02 heh May 16 03:41:02 * DaGame is going to watch a movie... lets what "the loosers" can do ;) May 16 03:41:30 losers May 16 03:41:33 well. let me check out pricing on this stuff.. i need a good vbox May 16 03:41:41 ManoftheSea: he's watching a porn ;) May 16 03:41:47 oh. May 16 03:42:01 well, then... yeah, looser as opposed to tight. May 16 03:42:45 sick people you are May 16 03:42:52 * DaGame is watching The.Losers.DVDSCR.XViD-IMAGiNE May 16 03:42:59 Then spell it right. May 16 03:43:12 lose = op. of win. To misplace. May 16 03:43:13 DaGame: Macer's especially sick May 16 03:43:20 my bad sorry and take care May 16 03:43:23 see you later May 16 03:43:29 loose = not tight. or sometimes "release" May 16 03:43:38 it's a pet peeve. May 16 03:43:52 I personally mis-spell words that end in either -ent or -ant May 16 03:44:45 like... pleasant May 16 03:51:30 :) May 16 03:53:50 6 cores ftw :) May 16 03:57:36 amd cores that is May 16 05:04:21 Hi everybody i have a question how i can configure pptp vpn in maemo diablo May 16 05:07:47 rex1: if you find out let me know ;) i'd love to use pptp on my n900 May 16 05:07:56 in maemo5. i honestly haven't researched it May 16 05:08:26 rex1: i have a vpnc thing installed May 16 05:08:29 it works for me May 16 05:08:33 is your thing special? May 16 05:15:49 X-Fade, maaan May 16 05:15:51 May 16 05:16:00 X-Fade, fix your autocleaner! May 16 05:16:07 it strikes again May 16 05:17:16 and removes everything i upload May 16 05:20:11 and wtf is with http://maemo.org/packages/view/sflphone-common/ ? May 16 05:20:42 1. it shows maemo9 in changes, but maemo9 _failed_ to build May 16 05:21:15 2. 'latest version' doesn't have '-maemo8' part at all May 16 05:22:00 3. changes on http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/sflphone-common/0.9.7~ppa1~jaunty/ are totally screwed up May 16 05:30:17 Timeless_mbp: yes i had this one installed but i cant configure pptp only ipsec May 16 05:34:24 pptp is different from vpnc/openvpn/ipsec May 16 05:34:36 you'd need ppp support and pptpclient May 16 05:34:42 and maybe an ui May 16 05:41:14 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=236710 May 16 06:05:45 hey yo May 16 06:05:45 all gone? May 16 06:16:18 DaGame: certainly not all. May 16 06:16:44 Lynoure: hey buddy... whats going on? May 16 06:17:00 Ironically, I'm today too busy coding (and not even for maemo, darn) to participate much after I'm done with my breakfast May 16 06:18:21 Lynoure: what are you coding? May 16 06:18:30 Once I'm done with that, I'll have one day off from all coding, then start prepping my own app for release. May 16 06:18:48 what is your app about? May 16 06:19:08 DaGame: it's a test, a part of a job interview. My own app is a todo app with GTD focus, in Qt. May 16 06:19:50 Lynoure: good luck with all May 16 06:20:25 DaGame: thank you. I have a cold, so luck is much needed. May 16 06:23:38 But now, gotta go. May 16 06:46:42 Macer: meh, enough with the blaming me - it is irrelevant May 16 07:17:18 bug 10180 May 16 07:17:19 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10180 Some changes on autobuilder caused config.guess to determine chost wrong May 16 07:17:29 X-Fade, ^ May 16 07:30:27 ~ping May 16 07:30:28 ~pong May 16 07:30:55 So I'm looking to buy the nokia n900, I found it her for 230.00 dollars and free shipping! Does this seem like a good site though? http://bit.ly/d7TVf1\ May 16 07:31:32 no May 16 07:35:30 Pointed question, I have -devel catalog enabled and some apps are not installable because of a dependency on Qt4.6 from git repo... does anyone else notice this? (A) and have a comment about whether that is ultimately installable? (B) May 16 07:36:27 these are apps built against PR1.2 May 16 07:37:17 usually dependency is qt4.6.2, no? May 16 07:37:23 aye it is May 16 07:37:32 I am an overly-curious user here May 16 07:37:34 hmm, i need to go dig the pr1.1.1 -equivalent of the sdk somewhere :| May 16 07:37:51 seems like the nokia sdk page tries to push pr1.2 -versioned sdk on you May 16 07:38:07 see lucent above May 16 07:38:33 okay, have read and understood topic May 16 07:38:53 it's not a showstopper, I'm just looking to confirm what I've seen. Thank you ^_^ May 16 07:42:21 lucent: check http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=610524&postcount=145, it sometimes helps, also for other apps May 16 07:44:16 * lucent clicks through May 16 07:45:57 I suppose PR1.2 will bring with it a lot of new apps that have no earlier release May 16 07:46:12 don't think so May 16 07:46:32 it will also bring Qt 4.7 (to -devel), causing deja vu May 16 07:46:47 oh? I am intrigued by the music synthesis apps that depend on Qt 4.6.2 git May 16 07:46:58 i.e. built against PR1.2 sdk May 16 07:47:23 they can be built against the 4.6.2 that can be installed May 16 07:47:37 more of a dev's problem rather than an sdk one May 16 07:47:42 true. May 16 07:48:01 hi, is netcat packaged for n900/maemo5? May 16 07:48:09 "...bring with it a lot of apps that lucent is too lazy to recompile..." May 16 07:48:47 :) May 16 07:50:12 there is only socat, and I'm trying to stream /dev/video0 to my laptop May 16 07:55:54 slightly offtopic, but if someone with kernel-oops might have a look on it and tell me what you think: http://paste.debian.net/73475/ May 16 07:56:07 ethernet card borked May 16 07:57:00 sobczyk: socat can do all what netcat can May 16 07:57:31 it's just hard to figure the right syntax May 16 07:58:45 Morning, all May 16 08:01:12 Good morning! May 16 08:04:33 if I were for example to setup MyDocs partition into ext3 (as opposed to fat32) and edit the fstab file would things still work with fremantle (n900)? May 16 08:05:39 we could use an addition to the "Connected to USB Device" dialog. One that does the IFup for USB Networking May 16 08:06:02 edit the PC suite one :) May 16 08:06:31 yes there's guides for those May 16 08:12:50 scratch my offtopic request from above May 16 08:28:22 * pupnik dropkicks a few dozen rabid hampsters into the room May 16 08:33:23 ~dropkick pupnick May 16 08:33:48 * infobot sends pupnick flying like a yipping chihuahua May 16 08:34:58 moo :-) May 16 08:35:23 haha that's a great one May 16 08:46:20 That abill_uk guy on the forums. What a fuckin riot. You think hes that stupid or just acting? May 16 08:46:32 i vote for baseball bats May 16 08:47:34 what is funny May 16 08:49:01 pupnik, besides the fact that he and others are setting the bar for stupid? May 16 08:49:53 yeah but i want to read the funny post May 16 08:51:06 Oh right - this is his latest one, in which hes complaining about people installing experimental software and it in some way making OTHER peoples n900 not work May 16 08:51:08 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25452 May 16 08:51:28 err May 16 08:51:30 wrong link May 16 08:51:49 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52788 May 16 08:51:51 ty May 16 08:52:56 I especially like the fact that he "thanked" someone who rebutted him May 16 08:57:11 Termana: But isn't he a "very experienced software developer"? May 16 08:57:13 Termana, I think he's an idiot :P May 16 08:57:18 hey, you guys knows how ruby uses hildon ? i get a "no such file to load -- hildon" whenever i try to run a ruby application? May 16 08:57:33 though tbh if I was a mod I'd close the thread, -devel has enough warnings May 16 08:58:49 Jaffa, MohammadAG: lol May 16 09:00:06 Surely he doesn't think everyone is taking him seriously?! May 16 09:01:40 just read that post (no I'm not registered forum user yet) and he sounds like he's one of those people similar to the ex/current Novell CEO.. wanting to put a leash on linux May 16 09:02:52 Anyone else with a Canon G-series camera here? May 16 09:05:51 RST38h: www.dpreview.com May 16 09:07:52 Termana, lol reading that whole thread and seeing how he responded.. you should suggest to him that he should create his own version of maemo with all the restrictions and what not on it, see who will like the idea of his May 16 09:10:11 It would - IMO - be sane - to have HAM post a warning on anything that touches /etc - for example May 16 09:10:33 meh, just introduce maemo6 security framework May 16 09:11:21 and lets all go back to symbian ways? ;) May 16 09:11:28 eeew May 16 09:17:18 SpeedEvil: It doesn't help with postinst scripts which muck things up May 16 09:17:36 SpeedEvil: As Stskeeps says: Aegis & btrfs are the technical measures, probably. May 16 09:19:15 I was meaning ideally, not technically May 16 09:20:26 different warning for apps from -testing and -devel? May 16 09:22:47 Again, that woulnd't be insane. May 16 09:23:14 Plus a package manager that let you easily say 'show apps from extras-devel' May 16 09:23:15 I'd get rid of HAM all together May 16 09:23:24 rather than disabling all other repos May 16 09:25:43 MohammadAG: ...and replace with? May 16 09:26:23 Jaffa, we have apt :) May 16 09:27:46 hi all, how can I make remove a file during shutdown? May 16 09:31:52 yes hello there May 16 09:31:55 Jaffa, or the application manager from Mer, not sure if it's a modified HAM or a modified Synaptics (prolly the latter) May 16 09:32:53 I am using a script triggered by dbus-scripts to chage the openvpn connection May 16 09:33:30 in that script I create a file to mark when the device in connected. I want to remove that file, during shutdown May 16 09:33:32 how? May 16 09:34:14 cityLights, create it in /tmp? May 16 09:34:35 good idea May 16 09:34:38 thanks May 16 09:34:53 second issue is more of a network isse May 16 09:34:54 issue May 16 09:35:45 assuming I am connecting with openvpn using layer 2, so I need to run udhcpc after that to get an IP address May 16 09:35:50 works fine May 16 09:36:21 but I seek to keep the connection even when switching access points and when using 3G May 16 09:36:40 hah amazon has a downloader for debian amazonmp3.deb May 16 09:37:29 in that case should I run udhpc with the --now option - so it will quit after getting a response ? May 16 09:38:09 or should I leave udhcpc active and keep seeking dhcp traffic while the openvpn changes? May 16 09:39:10 anyone in here know Qt and can help me with a project im on.. I can't seem to get QNetworkRequests to work with phonon May 16 09:40:05 I think its a bug with the n900 May 16 09:40:15 because the desktop target has no issues May 16 09:40:48 hi all... still struggling to get upstart boot scripts to attach to the framebuffer console... there has to be a way to do this! any hints? May 16 09:43:41 how does the keyboard normally attach - maybe it's only supported under X? May 16 09:45:34 Aight, looking at this NITdroid project. It is nice and all... but it is not android apps running on N900. What has google done there. Won't that android stuff run on a regular linux kernel (like maemo) May 16 09:47:16 SpeedEvil: I would like to find out... where could i find some info? do you have any example x startup scripts using keyboard input? May 16 09:48:54 wirr: Well - read the X configs and startup scripts. May 16 09:49:43 SpeedEvil: unfortunately they're all non-interactive and i'm no coder :-( May 16 09:51:10 Nokia-N900-02-8:/etc# grep -ri keyboard .|more May 16 09:51:28 I think that keyboard.sh is the vkbd though May 16 09:54:07 no sure either. but i think it's not so much of an issue of the hardware not getting initialized than the possibility to attach & control a tty during boot May 16 09:55:06 It's possible there is no kernel driver. May 16 09:56:11 Or rahter - no console driver May 16 09:57:00 right - have to check this May 16 09:58:06 I'd approach this by setting up another user - say 'auth'. May 16 09:58:22 Then early in boot, try to start X with some trivial app May 16 09:58:38 if this works - replace the trivial app with something that takes a passphrase May 16 09:58:49 then kill X, and resume normal boot May 16 10:01:02 SpeedEvil: sounds worth a try May 16 10:02:12 This is also reusable for other approaches that might like input early in boot May 16 10:02:22 for example checkpoint type apps May 16 10:03:14 xdm ftw May 16 10:03:49 Also - obviously - fbcon won't work so well in bright sunlight May 16 10:04:56 btw what is the pin dialog using? X? May 16 10:05:05 matchbox1 May 16 10:05:07 and X May 16 10:05:39 probably this explains a lot: console=ttyMTD May 16 10:05:52 seems this is quite early in boot May 16 10:05:54 Dod we ever work out what RX71 is? May 16 10:06:01 Oh - heat! May 16 10:06:02 neat May 16 10:06:29 rumor has it it's N8 May 16 10:06:38 I doubt it though May 16 10:06:58 ok gotta run - i'll report back May 16 10:07:22 hmm May 16 10:07:27 why is my mtd2 empty May 16 10:07:58 ttymtd? May 16 10:08:03 yes May 16 10:08:09 ah, mtdoops May 16 10:08:14 It puts the tty output on mtd May 16 10:08:17 ttyMTD sounds weird May 16 10:08:21 hmm - maybe it's oops only May 16 10:08:41 mtdoops sounds familiar May 16 10:08:44 tjat might explain it eing blank May 16 10:09:26 loglevel? May 16 10:11:30 std kernel shouldn't repaort anything to console on loglevel<5 afaik May 16 10:15:48 Doc: So, N8 was supposd to have Maemo on it? May 16 10:15:58 But then the Symbian cabbal took over? May 16 10:16:04 no idea May 16 10:16:32 as mentioned I have doubts May 16 10:16:49 ttyl May 16 10:17:49 is anyone here familier with installing the SDK on a gentoo machine? May 16 10:20:21 ~MaemoSDK May 16 10:20:31 extra, extra, read all about it, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation May 16 10:20:33 thanks May 16 10:20:38 should have all the details covered, afaik Gentoo is similar to openSUSE May 16 10:20:40 not sure though May 16 10:21:01 what?? May 16 10:21:31 Package manager Portage guess not May 16 10:22:15 * DocScrutinizer stares at his openSuse, mumbling "friggin gentoo" May 16 10:23:42 rankly speaking I always thought trying to nstall the maemo SDK on any non apt based system is a mere PITA or completely in vain May 16 10:23:45 Anyone ever had troubles with Microsoft Imaging Driver under XP? May 16 10:24:04 As in "lets you browse or delete images, does not let you copy or move any of them out"? May 16 10:25:45 DocScrutinizer, it seems fairly simple on openSUSE May 16 10:26:13 hmm May 16 10:26:33 http://en.opensuse.org/Maemo5 May 16 10:26:34 starts with missing scratchbox iirc May 16 10:27:24 the script should handle that May 16 10:27:28 duh May 16 10:27:34 thanks :-) May 16 10:30:20 ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.100 port 22: Connection refused <-- grr May 16 10:30:25 DocScrutinizer, np :) May 16 10:37:59 SUCCESS!!! May 16 10:38:07 mm? May 16 10:38:13 I have a working grooveshark client May 16 10:38:22 native client May 16 10:38:24 not flash May 16 10:39:02 woo! May 16 10:39:09 What's grooveshark? May 16 10:39:20 I'm guessing an automated rail launcher for sharks. May 16 10:39:25 http://listen.grooveshark.com May 16 10:39:32 no its a online media store.. May 16 10:39:33 Does it anger them by some means first? May 16 10:39:36 except its free May 16 10:39:37 Ah. May 16 10:39:42 and lets you play any song for free May 16 10:39:48 http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/05/obs-and-fremantle-huge-success-and-help.html May 16 10:40:22 on http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ FYI :) May 16 10:41:03 dotblank: hm, that looks like a nice thing for my joggler May 16 10:41:15 Now that I got this client to work.. I'll release the source soon May 16 10:41:24 just need to refine it a little tho May 16 10:41:36 any default cli ftp client on our n900s? 'ftp' or 'ncftp' doesnt work :( May 16 10:43:10 sftp is May 16 10:44:32 isn't sysfs remounted/generated at each boot? May 16 10:44:48 http://media.share.ovi.com/m1/s/2057/30a3224467f142d2832b4954d57c2ca1.jpg <-- how did he lose his engine3_mode file May 16 10:45:32 Checked down the back of the sofa? May 16 10:46:00 that's as root? May 16 10:46:20 I'd look to see if the dir is there May 16 10:46:27 if the module isn't loaded for some reason... May 16 10:47:29 MohammadAG: Mer just uses HAM May 16 10:47:47 MohammadAG: With some various basic tweaks which were all (apart from the legalese switch) included in Fremantle. May 16 10:47:59 speedevil sftp wont run for me either, maybe i need to install it from the repos May 16 10:48:37 oops May 16 10:48:41 sftp is from openssh May 16 10:48:51 so i install openssh May 16 10:49:02 always a good idea May 16 10:49:02 openssh-client May 16 10:49:18 SpeedEvil, he can't start mce May 16 10:49:30 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=660633 May 16 10:50:49 MohammadAG: IF the module is not loaded, or does not detect the chip and unloads - the nodes will not appear May 16 10:50:55 reflash. May 16 10:51:02 (or check dmesg) May 16 10:51:15 If still broken, then the chip is screwed. May 16 10:51:21 SpeedEvil, I asked him to check his mce.ini file May 16 10:51:28 maybe he unloaded the module himself? May 16 10:56:16 When I try to call a "GSM command" phone number on N900, it refuses to dial May 16 10:56:20 is that normal? May 16 10:57:12 yes May 16 10:57:15 till PR1.2 May 16 10:57:16 lucent, it is a known bug May 16 10:57:25 a fixed one at that May 16 10:57:29 there is a widget that will fix it May 16 10:57:39 well May 16 10:57:48 sorta May 16 10:57:49 ussd-widget May 16 10:58:06 I'm hearing helpful but conflicting information ? May 16 10:58:39 not really, PR1.2 will fix it, ussd-widget is a temp fix May 16 10:58:52 oh okay I will try the widget as.. a workaround? ^_^ May 16 10:59:45 I don't use these codes often, when I called my cellular carrier's service department for help, there was a bit of confusion while I fumbled trying to poke commands May 16 10:59:50 the problems i have with lircd are insane. everything is there still lircd.log complains May 16 11:00:08 zlimvos: I've played with lircd before May 16 11:00:32 it works on N900, I had to use the lirc ordinary packages and NOT the Qt lirc May 16 11:00:40 elsewise the conf is no good May 16 11:00:50 aah ok May 16 11:00:59 thought the customized would be better May 16 11:01:03 morning all May 16 11:01:25 lol i left my n900 on overnight May 16 11:01:40 no timeouts :) May 16 11:01:44 amazed the battery lasted May 16 11:01:49 mine hasn't been off in days May 16 11:01:50 err May 16 11:01:58 you turn your n900 off during the night? May 16 11:02:05 i didn't put it on charge May 16 11:02:09 "amazed the battery lasted" you must be running with wifi disabled? May 16 11:02:18 nope its enabled May 16 11:02:27 i was in here all night May 16 11:03:08 15 straight hours of wifi on the battery May 16 11:03:22 you slept 15 hours?\ May 16 11:03:23 and its still a third full May 16 11:03:46 no, i was on irc for a few hours before sleeping May 16 11:03:51 :P May 16 11:04:07 i slept for about 11/12 May 16 11:04:33 dotblank: what is it made in? May 16 11:04:36 (the client) May 16 11:04:49 okay more than 3-4 hours with wifi running is sheer amazing May 16 11:05:26 lol, I suddenly got a portrait desktop May 16 11:05:37 Battery still half full from 9 AM May 16 11:05:39 joga: portrait bug? braek ? May 16 11:05:44 (2 PM now :) ) May 16 11:06:05 heh, braek, found that method from the SDK and posted it, then someone ripped it off on tmo May 16 11:06:06 lucent: a bug yeah, I think I turned the phone at the right time or something :) May 16 11:06:57 ok now I answered one call and it got fixed ;) May 16 11:07:06 joga, fixable by locking and unlocking with powerbtn + slider May 16 11:07:22 lucent: may i suggest using "power saving mode" on wifi, it will do wonders to your battery time :p May 16 11:07:29 * slonopotamus gets that bug from time to time May 16 11:07:42 frals: aye, what is that specifically? A system setting? May 16 11:07:58 what does "sms notification for locked screen" do? exactly where does it appear? i installed it and it seems to do nothing May 16 11:08:09 internet connections -> advanced -> wlan connection and then advanced and you can set it May 16 11:08:17 it defaults to on afaik May 16 11:08:17 send yourself an sms May 16 11:08:22 while locked of course May 16 11:09:43 frals: I appreciate the help, although I can't follow the path to find that configuration May 16 11:10:15 what is on my screen does not match the description you've provided May 16 11:11:03 you need to go all the way to the end of the connection settings May 16 11:11:14 oh okay, so it's per-connection then? May 16 11:12:24 deep in one of my WLAN connection profile settings, under advanced, I do see an "Other" tab with settings for tx power and power saving May 16 11:12:35 100mW / On (maximum) as it is May 16 11:13:42 however May 16 11:13:42 frals: do you suggest 100mW? or 10mW? May 16 11:13:51 it only really works if you have a compliant router May 16 11:13:56 lucent: it's largely irrelevant May 16 11:14:08 oh -_- May 16 11:14:11 lucent: Unless you're doing large file transfers from the device May 16 11:14:19 lucent: tx power that is May 16 11:14:25 wazzzd May 16 11:14:42 wlan - fully powersaved - with 100mW enabled even - uses around .1%/hour of battery May 16 11:15:00 when inactive, I guess? May 16 11:15:03 10 hours meaning 10 percent? May 16 11:15:48 the math says 10 hours meaning 1 percent, but that sounds unlikely it is so low May 16 11:16:04 1% May 16 11:16:14 if you don't do anything May 16 11:16:17 wifi enabled causes a noticeable hit to runtime for me May 16 11:16:33 maybe you have a silly router. tried others? May 16 11:16:43 I'm only ever connected by 2.5G cellular for data though May 16 11:17:13 so whatever wifi does, it perceiveably eats power and I'm not using it for anything May 16 11:17:14 the router needs to support power safing May 16 11:17:17 math says 1 percent = 100 hours and .1 percent = 1000 hours May 16 11:17:29 * chronim Eating at Hanabe ramen shop in Tampere. A real ramen place! *good* May 16 11:17:46 RST38h: are you sure? May 16 11:17:46 Chiku: awesome May 16 11:17:56 chronim: ^ May 16 11:17:59 lucent: Can I ask how you manage to have WiFi off (but unconnected) with 2.5G on (connected)? May 16 11:18:06 ? May 16 11:18:07 Chiku: nvm May 16 11:18:10 RST38h: there's an APP FOR THAT May 16 11:18:20 ah ok, app for that May 16 11:18:21 * lucent imitates Apple commercial May 16 11:19:25 okay here it is, I am using Wifi Switcher May 16 11:20:10 "...allows to turn off the wifi radio by kernel module unloading to reduce power consumption..." May 16 11:20:48 If I let wifi remain enabled during my day, then I cannot make a whole day on a full charge May 16 11:21:11 RST38h: not quite - .1% per hour means that you might get 150 hours without, and 130 with May 16 11:21:25 I'm not even using wifi for any part of the daily use May 16 11:23:02 Does it really draw more power just doing perceivalby nothing, than to be connected to an access point with power saving capabilities? May 16 11:23:17 ? May 16 11:23:39 Scanning for an AP uses a moderately large amount of power - I haven't measured it May 16 11:23:55 but if your search interval is not really quite long indeed - then yes. May 16 11:24:17 oh! yes my search interval is 10 minutes May 16 11:24:26 is that too short? too long? May 16 11:25:20 Scanning for an AP may take - IIRC - 30s of the radio being alive. This is 30s* - maybe - 200mA, or 100mA-min. So one scan is ballpark equivalent to having it connected to a powersaving wifi idle for 1.5 hours May 16 11:25:57 (in terms of wifi power use only, the device itself uses around 1% of battery an hour) May 16 11:27:26 what search intervals do you folks use? May 16 11:28:08 I need to set it up and measure it for wifi search power use with no signal May 16 11:28:12 do that after it's charged May 16 11:28:57 mine is 10 minutes May 16 11:29:16 mine too May 16 11:29:26 60 here May 16 11:29:26 woot mr. umbrella man and me have something in common May 16 11:29:38 more means you probably need to switch manually May 16 11:29:52 and that sucks May 16 11:29:59 I'm not that lazy May 16 11:30:18 3 clicks save a lot of battery power May 16 11:31:37 switch manually? May 16 11:31:56 i.e. bring up Internet Connection from the status area ? Or is it deeper in the menus May 16 11:36:48 set it to 'always ask' May 16 11:37:03 then whenever you start something that wants the net - it asks which AP May 16 11:37:21 'scan on unlock' would be good too May 16 11:40:07 Another topic, Firefox Mobile on N900, has a "hover" hack been devised? May 16 11:40:41 I didn't see one posted in maemo.org forums unfortunately May 16 11:42:17 you mean a slow click? May 16 11:42:28 > 500ms equals click? May 16 11:42:40 ah May 16 11:42:52 I meant for viewing "ALT" tags and such hovering over images May 16 11:43:04 or navigating hover-over menus on scripted websites May 16 11:43:42 how would you dco that May 16 11:43:56 when every tap equals click May 16 11:44:25 chronim: have you used MicroB on N900? May 16 11:44:33 maybe shift-tap to hover? May 16 11:44:47 yes but i did not see hover May 16 11:44:53 there's an action to drag from offscreen left lower corner onto the screen, and it presents an arrow May 16 11:45:11 you just move the arrow by a tap and hold, and it acts as no-click hover of the mouse May 16 11:45:32 oh! wow. i didnt know. i thought it was only select May 16 11:45:42 ah May 16 11:46:02 I can't get by without it, for daily browser use May 16 11:46:11 SpeedEvil, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=660664&postcount=8 May 16 11:46:35 If still broken, then the chip is screwed. <-- i guess that's the case? May 16 11:46:39 Return to nokia care. May 16 11:46:40 yes May 16 11:48:03 name one url where i can test hover plrease lucent May 16 11:50:06 MohammadAG: you considered mce isn't lighting up the kbd at all on bright and moderate ambient light? May 16 11:50:54 lo VDVsx May 16 11:51:06 is there a way to have both 3g and wlan connected simulatenously on the n900? May 16 11:51:27 chronim: looking for one May 16 11:51:34 DocScrutinizer51, engine 3 should be present May 16 11:51:40 chronim: there's always http://xkcd.com May 16 11:51:50 or possibly a way for switching to 3g from command line.. May 16 11:51:56 it won't show the full ALT tag, which a shame May 16 11:51:57 yep, of curse May 16 11:52:13 hey Stskeeps :) May 16 11:52:19 in his case engine3_mode is missing May 16 11:52:25 if eng3 isn't present then prolly kermel is fubar May 16 11:52:44 but he reflashed May 16 11:53:14 that's absolutely strange, as the indicator is same chip May 16 11:53:42 I doubt there could break a single engine and kernel would detect this May 16 11:53:59 chronim: http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/2818582 May 16 11:54:01 all LEDs are controlled by one chip? May 16 11:54:14 wouldn't that mean his LED wouldn't work now? May 16 11:54:23 eng3 is just a register in that chip May 16 11:54:43 kbt and indicator, yes. same chip May 16 11:55:32 replied May 16 12:00:36 is there a simple way of just turning on the IR led? May 16 12:01:00 I'd like to try if I could use the n900 as an IR source for the wiimote May 16 12:03:07 DocScrutinizer51, yep his RGB LED isn't working too May 16 12:03:16 Light swap at Nokia Care May 16 12:03:48 Posts: 666 <-- need.. to.. reply.. May 16 12:05:36 MohammadAG: yep May 16 12:05:41 it's not the lights May 16 12:05:46 it's the chip driving them May 16 12:05:57 Shapeshifter: it's a GPIO connected to a PWM May 16 12:06:06 err May 16 12:06:08 well if the LEDs are borked then yes it is the chip May 16 12:06:27 Shapeshifter: It's a LED connected to a PWM/GPIO pin that is usually set as a PWM for IR controlling. May 16 12:06:58 oh and by light swap I meant the term used in the service manual, not the actual lights May 16 12:07:35 ah - I see May 16 12:10:15 SpeedEvil: right, so full MB swap May 16 12:12:26 any mods online? May 16 12:56:36 is there a place i should go for specific n800/810 talk? May 16 12:56:53 Not as far as I'm aware. May 16 12:57:13 It would probably have been sensible in septemper to create #maemo-4 May 16 12:57:15 but... May 16 12:58:42 do they not release new versions of the software for old hardware? May 16 12:59:00 oh, i suppose the CPU requirements go up May 16 12:59:12 OMAP2 vs OMAP3 May 16 12:59:53 nokia is not exactly known for releasing updates to old hardware, or actually releasing updates at all :) May 16 13:00:21 okay well im looking for a case for the n810 May 16 13:00:41 one that covers it while its in use, not like a bag to carry it in May 16 13:01:04 ive searched, but i get a leather flip case and a metal armor May 16 13:01:25 im looking for a silicon cling on type skin to protect against scratches May 16 13:01:51 all the others it looks like they have to be taken off to use the keyboard/device May 16 13:02:22 Hah, I can't believe no-one has banned abill_uk yet. May 16 13:02:50 I like the tags on his most recent community offerings :) May 16 13:03:08 SpeedEvil, an eMMC reflash fixed it for him May 16 13:03:11 not sure why May 16 13:03:21 it could've been a coincidence imo May 16 13:03:50 Also, has anyone noticed that he always names his forum posts in a rather maemo negative manner, then posts something that is seemingly innocent. May 16 13:04:04 I swear his just trying to smear maemo. May 16 13:04:09 flashlauncher exposes very strange behavior.. it runs smoothly.. for a while. then everything just stops. for minutes. then it runs smoothly again. until next time. wtf? May 16 13:04:22 alterego, he seems to be succeeding at it May 16 13:04:37 I hope texrat doesn't actually resign May 16 13:04:48 while it "stops", all controls are non-responsive, cpu load is 100% and everything just sucks May 16 13:04:55 alterego: wasn't he the one who started the leaked pr1.2 thread? May 16 13:05:24 Trewas: he's been doing quite a bit, basically insinuating that the community is responsible for breaking users devices etc. May 16 13:05:48 Generally putting Nokia down for poor hardware design and support, software design/support. May 16 13:06:05 i.e OrangeBox the II May 16 13:06:29 where is "Open with ..." in File manager in OS2008? May 16 13:06:37 Generally very negative to the entire platform, yet he says he loves his N900, and he, personally, has never had any issues with it. And he's using PR1.2 and he's got all the apps from devel and testing installed and blah-blah-blah May 16 13:06:41 and it is not io bound, it is just cpu May 16 13:07:00 hmm haven't checked tmo in a few days, but one of his posts in the lr1.2 thread was quite funny, "of course it is ok, I am an engineer!" (paraphrased a bit) :) May 16 13:07:25 Trewas: yeah, that was quite humourous. May 16 13:07:54 Oh well, "Thread closed" :) May 16 13:08:44 Hi. May 16 13:09:20 When starting bash from the console, my .bashrc is readed. When doing it from the menu, it isn't. How can I check how the menu starts the console? May 16 13:09:34 for example, if it uses some odd switches that i don't want or so May 16 13:09:55 alterego: who're you talking about? May 16 13:09:55 xterm.desktop file May 16 13:10:01 but I wouldn't edit that May 16 13:10:04 abill_uk May 16 13:10:06 Where is that stored? May 16 13:10:09 Shapeshifter: abill_uk May 16 13:10:23 how can be opened Video file in desired player? Not the standard one? OS2008 May 16 13:10:26 Meh, it's not that i would delete it or smth, just check what it contains May 16 13:10:35 and edit it _if i know what i do_ May 16 13:10:59 Shapeshifter: doesn't seee very abill and god I hope he's not from the UK. May 16 13:11:19 aha May 16 13:12:02 mplayer foo.avi May 16 13:12:38 wonderful May 16 13:12:39 Banned | Posts: 329 | Thanked: 65 times | Joined on Feb 2010 May 16 13:12:40 May 16 13:12:40 Report This | #95 May 16 13:12:54 sorry for the three lines lol May 16 13:13:09 abill_uk? May 16 13:13:14 hahaha May 16 13:13:22 Stskeeps, yeah May 16 13:13:30 thank god May 16 13:13:32 http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=33715 May 16 13:14:13 solved 2 problems today, im going for a biggie now. can't make uae4all to run any app even the example SysInfo.adf in the package. rom loads properly .. May 16 13:14:51 wow. May 16 13:15:08 main problem is i cant find any log or debug from the uae4all when exiting/crashing May 16 13:15:38 you actually banned someone for just being stupid? May 16 13:16:14 excessively so, but i've seen him pull way too much crap May 16 13:16:22 (i didnt ban him) May 16 13:16:31 -1 for you then May 16 13:16:35 ok. well that is very funny May 16 13:16:42 :p May 16 13:17:42 cleaning up the forum is a good thing imho May 16 13:18:15 so's making email integration work May 16 13:18:34 (did I say that out loud... oops) May 16 13:23:04 I would also like map applications with proper perspective in northern lattitudes May 16 13:24:17 At least i think they are wrong May 16 13:26:20 shame on you lbt *wags finger* :P lol May 16 13:29:00 http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ May 16 13:29:44 I'm going to need some help making this work May 16 13:30:41 i have a task allocated for it at least May 16 13:30:49 :) May 16 13:31:15 Stskeeps: it certainly has a familar feel to the whole process.... May 16 13:31:27 can't think where we've done it before... May 16 13:31:42 ~hehe :P May 16 13:37:58 k May 16 13:45:07 lbt morning \o saw your posts on planet and tmo May 16 13:46:19 http://www.gameloft.com/iphone-games/bailout-wars/ May 16 13:46:53 lbt, i gather we cannot set a deb line to those newly built apps to test around with? May 16 13:47:53 sadly not yet May 16 13:49:38 * lcuk nods May 16 13:50:36 < toruvinn> anyone using opera 10.5 and missing "flashblock" - it's there! opera:config#UserPrefs|EnableOnDemandPlugin May 16 13:51:02 or if you can't type the | just go to opera:config#UserPrefs and scroll down May 16 13:51:05 pupnik: also, that doesnt work 100% for me.. so i just keep flash disabled :) May 16 13:51:13 ah? ok May 16 13:51:32 ymmv. May 16 13:53:30 argh, now to find a box that can handle lirc irrecord May 16 13:54:31 sometimes i wish maemo had just ditched X11 May 16 13:54:34 hi all May 16 13:55:50 is there a way to install ubuntut game in maemo 5 May 16 13:56:40 what's the game? May 16 13:58:51 * DocScrutinizer watches %%%%..... sbox maemo SDK install, yawns May 16 13:59:18 :) May 16 13:59:23 anyone use vim a lot? i have a question :) May 16 14:01:00 omar: ask May 16 14:01:07 DocScrutinizer: Middle-left of page 2 - TV out pins - LC network series. Page ~2118 of the datasheet (spruf98) says you should connect a R, not a LC network. Might this be a network to compensate for the extra C of the analog switch? My analog fu is weak. May 16 14:01:23 does ubuntut run perfectly in n900 May 16 14:01:24 if you type :help there's the help text then like a split pane view with a ~ on each line May 16 14:01:30 vip: no May 16 14:01:34 what is the ~ part under the text? May 16 14:01:41 SpeedEvil: mompl May 16 14:02:09 omar: the empty document that's opened by default? May 16 14:02:20 did you tried May 16 14:02:24 wow lol May 16 14:02:30 yeah it is May 16 14:02:38 well this is embarrassing :P May 16 14:02:45 omar: you can Ctrl+W W to switch focus between these windows May 16 14:02:54 ya know that part ;) May 16 14:03:42 can i use perl regular expressions with vim? May 16 14:03:55 as in s/from/to/ ? May 16 14:03:57 SpeedEvil: you might want to calculate f0 of 3u3*47p to get a good guess about what it actually does. My idea is either audio subcarrier or color foo May 16 14:04:02 speedevil did you tried May 16 14:04:32 DocScrutinizer: 4MHz May 16 14:04:35 SpeedEvil: it's a series LC so it will boost f0 May 16 14:04:37 DocScrutinizer: which seems odd. May 16 14:04:45 thp as in using lookaheads/lookarounds May 16 14:04:54 similar to grep -P May 16 14:05:00 omar: type "/" and then the regex May 16 14:05:04 nah, seem to remember 4.43MHz for some important subcarrier of CVBS May 16 14:05:08 or "?" and the regex for backwards search May 16 14:05:10 DocScrutinizer: I suppose I need to find out what impedence between those nodes does - it's not clearly specified May 16 14:05:29 DocScrutinizer: surely - but there is no LC on recommended. May 16 14:06:21 did anybody tried to convert symbin game to maemo by qt sdk May 16 14:06:36 doesn't matter. Nokia might have found the relative (dB)level of that subcarrier being too low after damping by cable parasitary capacitance etc May 16 14:07:19 so to keep color PLL nicely locked they decided to boost it with a ~4MHz bandpass May 16 14:07:25 DocScrutinizer, you really should be wearing a labcoat when saying things like that May 16 14:07:37 I do May 16 14:07:38 where's xterm.desktop stored? May 16 14:07:40 :-P May 16 14:07:41 :D May 16 14:07:41 Heh, he is wearing one :D May 16 14:07:54 omar: and you might want to look into 'incsearch' and 'hlsearch' in vim's help :) May 16 14:08:03 hey thp \o May 16 14:08:04 yah i've seen that already in the tutorial May 16 14:08:16 thp how can i get it to match an expression like this: [^.]+$ May 16 14:08:19 vip, Qt doesn't automatically allow you to "convert" games May 16 14:08:21 which matches the extension of a file May 16 14:08:35 they have to be programmed in Qt, and if the developer chooses he can port it over May 16 14:08:44 Qt just makes it easier for the dev May 16 14:08:46 it's telling me pattern not found when i have a bunch of filenames in the file May 16 14:10:32 DocScrutinizer: thanks May 16 14:10:40 yw, mate :-D May 16 14:10:47 mohammadag yes but if you build any symbin game by qt you can compile it for maemo May 16 14:12:12 so write no i dont see any software done like this concept May 16 14:12:27 vip: though that is the intention, it's not to be taken as gospel, it's very easy to tie an application to a specific platform, Qt just tries to make it easier to not rely on platform specifics, it'd doesn't stop someone actually doing it though. May 16 14:12:30 omar: I don't know about vim, but + is part of the extended regexp syntax, and vi uses the basic re. (vim might grok \+ instead of + or \{1,\}), also there is a ##vim channel May 16 14:12:52 err #vim it seems May 16 14:12:55 ah okay May 16 14:13:09 i guess i'm only familiar with what seems to be the perl regex syntax ;D May 16 14:13:15 vip, if it's open source yes May 16 14:13:31 Symbian's Qt is kind of broken atm May 16 14:13:44 lcuk: hey o/ May 16 14:13:52 using up 15MBs from C: (similar to root, but on the N97 it's about 20MBs from first boot up) May 16 14:14:02 i think nokia need more accompanies to start create software May 16 14:15:38 vip: hmm? May 16 14:15:48 pgas you're right \+ is right May 16 14:16:08 mohammadag ithink maemo is not fully open source May 16 14:16:49 ~openness May 16 14:16:50 rumour has it, openness is http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html May 16 14:17:22 not clear May 16 14:17:53 Is the maemo repository down? May 16 14:18:21 Oh no, just dodgy 3G connection May 16 14:20:14 looks clear to me http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ May 16 14:21:22 Get:137 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/non-free osso-icons-default 2.5.0+0m5 [2945kB] May 16 14:21:28 * DocScrutinizer YAWNS May 16 14:22:09 How do you know wwhat version of Qt pyside is built for? Wanna make sure this is for 4.6.2 .. May 16 14:22:19 could somebody tell me to what number this "137" will count up on sb maemo SDK install? May 16 14:23:01 ballpark figure would be great May 16 14:23:43 wow, now it's speeding May 16 14:23:44 DocScrutinizer, 697 or so May 16 14:23:46 Get:279 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free libbz2-dev 1:1.0.5-3+0m5 [42.5kB] May 16 14:23:53 kk, thanks May 16 14:24:02 and another 697 for X86 May 16 14:24:17 2461 packages May 16 14:24:36 "I have a PHD in computer science and I'm working in Electronic Design Automation domain, more precisely in Hardware Emulation to help well known companies to design their processors and other chips." ... sign. May 16 14:25:13 oooh, seems it now calculates an ETA total :-)) May 16 14:25:31 damn maemo, my isp keeps trying to send me an mms May 16 14:25:34 it fucking eats my power May 16 14:25:52 use fmms May 16 14:25:58 but i don't care about mmm's May 16 14:26:08 i just want maemo to disacknowledge it May 16 14:26:12 so i get the sms with a link May 16 14:26:29 mms's* May 16 14:26:31 DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/8LRJL8y4 May 16 14:26:50 does anybody tried to install java deben in maemo May 16 14:27:20 * DocScrutinizer *chokes* May 16 14:28:07 it's not that bad :P May 16 14:28:27 173M archives_ARMEL May 16 14:28:27 117M archives_X86 May 16 14:28:52 DocScrutinizer, I'd copy over the files in /tmp and the archives if I were you May 16 14:29:11 easier reinstallation if something bad happens May 16 14:29:23 the compiler segfauled on me once and I had to reinstall May 16 14:29:27 before: /dev/sda6 20G 14G 5.2G 72% / --- after: /dev/sda6 20G 16G 2.3G 88% / May 16 14:29:42 *COUGH* May 16 14:30:55 DocScrutinizer, did they get unpacked? May 16 14:31:20 I didn't watch every single step of that script May 16 14:31:38 I'd start freeing up stuff lol May 16 14:31:39 4.2G /scratchbox/ May 16 14:32:00 MohammadAG: is this a list of packages installed on your phone? May 16 14:32:11 no, it's a list of the SDK packages May 16 14:32:31 PR1.2 SDK to be specific May 16 14:35:27 MohammadAG, that is still small for sbox :-P May 16 14:35:53 yeah, du -h /scr* ->4.1G /scratchbox/ May 16 14:35:55 if you count around 1.5GB per compiler alone May 16 14:35:55 it's 10GBs on my laptop :) May 16 14:36:15 WUT??? May 16 14:36:24 and my laptop's linux partition is 11GBs May 16 14:36:26 got no free 10GB May 16 14:36:34 DocScrutinizer, too much junk and I can't bother to clean up May 16 14:37:59 OMFG /dev/sda6 20G 17G 1.8G 91% / May 16 14:38:25 this bloody SDK kills my system >:-(( May 16 14:38:52 you could've asked for ssh access to my scratchbox :P May 16 14:39:14 screwit May 16 14:39:26 that's insane May 16 14:39:37 i have scratchbox on my server May 16 14:39:42 and can give access to somebody May 16 14:39:53 I got an account at jebba's May 16 14:39:59 Fun story. May 16 14:40:03 4x2.83GHz xeon? May 16 14:40:12 iPad has as much Bluetooth keyboard lag as Maemo. May 16 14:40:25 but I was blinded by the idea of an easy install via http://en.opensuse.org/Maemo5 May 16 14:40:30 who's copying the other :P May 16 14:40:48 DocScrutinizer, it is easy, but the size isn't that small May 16 14:40:51 what a bummer May 16 14:42:49 who have n8*0 here? May 16 14:42:56 Shame you can't run PySide apps in the simulator .. May 16 14:42:58 ol May 16 14:43:13 n810 May 16 14:43:53 Shapeshifter, suggestion for your app, scheduled SMSs :) May 16 14:45:35 DocScrutinizer, resolved the question already talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52791 May 16 14:45:48 soda_: /27 May 16 14:45:50 whoops May 16 14:47:34 how do you access accelerometer data on n900? May 16 14:48:16 jacekowski, http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers May 16 14:49:29 hmmm... ""Installation was successful! \n ...\n Happy hacking!"" -> /dev/sda6 20G 17G 1.8G 91% / May 16 14:51:19 Hahah ,gov't conspiracies surrounding PR1.2 :D May 16 14:51:55 God, I love this community, I love it more now with the influx of non-GNU/Linux newbies and anti-FOSS campainers :) May 16 14:52:06 whom to shoot for scratchbox maemo SDK installing everything to /scratchbox instead of /home/scratchbox where it would belong May 16 14:52:09 ? May 16 14:52:13 what is this PR1.2 you are talking about? May 16 14:52:45 seems scratchbox needs optification as well X-P May 16 14:52:52 Heh May 16 14:52:55 homofication May 16 14:58:14 MohammadAG: yeah I've put that on the todo list. last time I had a look at how to send sms from the cli it was a complicated mess, though May 16 14:58:46 dbus May 16 15:02:13 bless you MohammadAG May 16 15:11:59 MohammadAG: but it needs magic May 16 15:13:11 MohammadAG: I'll look into it. seems like someone wrote some scripts by now May 16 15:13:13 http://www.paraiso.dk/pymaemosms.txt May 16 15:18:59 Stskeeps: ping May 16 15:20:12 I'm listening to a song in an album - I hit back a couple of times to get to the album list. Is there a way to find out what album the currently playing track is in? May 16 15:20:24 DocScrutinizer: pong, but not very active May 16 15:20:52 Stskeeps: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php §4.2 - will I be able to continue developing jrbme / hostmode, after accepting this EULA? May 16 15:21:52 Stskeeps: ""Licensee may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble any part of the Licensed Software..." May 16 15:22:12 In the EU - as I understand it - the reverse engineering for compatibility reasons is acceptable. May 16 15:22:16 not a lawyer, but technically no - but they are talking about the parts that are in the sdk May 16 15:22:25 except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by May 16 15:22:25 and bme isnt there May 16 15:22:25 applicable law May 16 15:22:38 aah, k May 16 15:23:00 yea May 16 15:23:03 see 1.4 for scope May 16 15:23:04 yeah, I'm REing the bme on N900, not in SDK May 16 15:24:37 thanks Stskeeps SpeedEvil May 16 15:26:10 wow. claws is horrible May 16 15:26:12 heh May 16 15:26:35 and the default email app doesnt seem to subscribe to folders correctly May 16 15:28:28 email has been one of the longest standing issues with maemo it seems, never been right for anybody May 16 15:28:45 Well, anybody that relies on email for a fair amount of their day-to-day. May 16 15:28:58 right? it is horrible May 16 15:29:04 It'd probably be alright for me, if MfE worked for me. May 16 15:29:25 well... i just want to change the default sent dir May 16 15:29:43 to keep sent msgs on the imap instead of the local dir May 16 15:29:51 I want threading, ability to search, fullscreen... May 16 15:29:56 idle imap... May 16 15:29:57 When i use Synergy, i sometimes don't get keyboard input in xterminal - cursor remains a light box May 16 15:30:05 god! there's plenty of things that the email app lacks May 16 15:30:45 i hate email enough to just use a webservice for it May 16 15:30:56 so HA HA May 16 15:31:02 pupnik: haha May 16 15:31:11 i mean it is usable May 16 15:31:12 pupnik: I happen to love email, I find it a very usefull way of comunication May 16 15:31:23 but the local sent folder is a pain May 16 15:31:43 i am trying to find out hw to move them manually now May 16 15:32:31 * RST38h grins as he watches t.m.o [l]users finally starting to whine about N900 "unresponsiveness" May 16 15:32:42 helo Macer, pupnik, alterego May 16 15:32:50 unresponsiveness? May 16 15:32:57 Hey RST38h May 16 15:33:03 i think it is pretty good for a phone May 16 15:33:10 Macer: Well, looks like any bulk MMC activity hangs the OS hard May 16 15:33:13 hey RST38h hally sunday to you May 16 15:33:15 Macer: Especially swapping May 16 15:33:36 Macer: As a lot of stuff (including swap) is at the MMC now...well you can guess May 16 15:33:36 does it? May 16 15:33:44 :) May 16 15:33:44 Macer: Run Fennec and check for yourself May 16 15:33:53 haha.. i will May 16 15:33:59 Is it obvious to anyone else that of course you click the fake 'spectrum analyser' thing to go to the currently playing tracks page in the media player? May 16 15:34:03 Macer: for example, try locking the device with the sliding switch while the goddamn Fennec is loading a page May 16 15:34:04 It diddn't seem so to me. May 16 15:34:21 Speed: Obvious to me May 16 15:34:26 me too May 16 15:34:30 haha May 16 15:34:32 me too here May 16 15:34:34 Speed: And you can click anywher eon the song name really May 16 15:34:48 and it stutters May 16 15:35:00 with the cool clacking noise May 16 15:35:01 RST38h: I mean - when you are playing a song - and have gone to some other page May 16 15:35:07 Yea May 16 15:35:08 hm May 16 15:35:20 i can manually move all the emails to the imap May 16 15:35:21 RST38h: as there is no song name then May 16 15:35:31 so why cant it put them there by default? May 16 15:35:39 maybe i missed something May 16 15:35:42 Oh you mean the icon May 16 15:35:50 in the player itself...yes, it is obvious May 16 15:35:53 * MohammadAG gives lcuk some bacon May 16 15:35:57 k May 16 15:36:19 blame Stskeeps May 16 15:36:20 ta MohammadAG :D just in time May 16 15:36:32 anytime :P May 16 15:36:34 * SpeedEvil ponders adding a enhancement stating that the little record player on the song page clearly implies you should be able to scratch with the current track. May 16 15:36:35 Macer: fuckoff May 16 15:36:40 LOL May 16 15:37:07 MicroB in PR 1.2 is based on firefox 3.6 branch, right? anyone knows if the video tag from the html5 draft is supported? May 16 15:37:45 Speed: You think too highly of the builtin media player May 16 15:38:01 Speed: It is only getting an option to delete a song from the playlist in PR1.2 May 16 15:38:16 uh oh May 16 15:38:48 Stskeeps: haha. sorry. it is an american thing. like.. blame bush May 16 15:38:53 and if nokia enabled non-free codecs? they are already paying at least for AVC and MP3 May 16 15:39:02 RST38h: Err... May 16 15:39:11 RST38h: I did that just a few moments ago May 16 15:39:19 how? May 16 15:39:19 RST38h: oh - you mean remove from playlist May 16 15:39:21 Going to be a lightweight MWKN this week. I've not got the time or energy to trawl TMO after 8.7 days at work (according to my timesheet) May 16 15:39:42 Speed: Not DELETE, mind you, just remove from playlist May 16 15:39:56 RST38h: yeah - I meant nuke May 16 15:39:59 * RST38h has no idea why Nkia people thing anyone will be deleting his/her content from the media player May 16 15:40:10 jaffa - amys choice. good bad or indifferent? May 16 15:40:32 RST38h: I was doing that - to nuke old podcasts. May 16 15:40:51 lcuk: Good. Almost great; but some reason something's niggling at me about it May 16 15:41:06 lcuk,Jaffa <-- spoilers May 16 15:41:11 * RST38h just got it, did not watch yet May 16 15:41:22 * pupnik stabs "_HILDON_ZOOM_KEY_ATOM" with a fork May 16 15:41:25 RST38h, apologies - was not discussing content May 16 15:41:31 Jaffa: You are still finding news on TMO? May 16 15:41:42 RST38h: Mostly [announce] etc. May 16 15:41:54 Jaffa: If anything, cover iStyle Black and Carbone themes then May 16 15:42:12 RST38h: Means nothing to me. URLs? May 16 15:42:18 Jaffa: Both seem like the first really usable themes (IMHO), still some tweaks needed though May 16 15:42:20 * Jaffa hasn't been on TMO in 7 days May 16 15:42:25 At least. May 16 15:42:31 haven't missed anything May 16 15:42:32 Is there some kind of control panel for sound forwarding with pulseaudio? May 16 15:42:47 a moment May 16 15:42:49 * lcuk gets pupnik a fork May 16 15:43:09 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52298 May 16 15:43:27 RST38h: ta. May 16 15:43:36 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52765 May 16 15:43:40 * RST38h out for now May 16 15:44:08 Jaffa, I'll poke at the collection. May 16 15:45:07 I thought the font colours in iStyle were a bit rubbish .. May 16 15:45:21 cheers May 16 15:45:36 I'm using iStyle Light btw, May 16 15:46:03 * Jaffa 's seen reference to a white theme, but the hostname for the blog was invalid. Anyone got a better URL? May 16 15:46:38 pffft, mediaplayer. There should have been a fullfeatured "edit playlist" from beginning, not only for current playlist but also for stored playlists. And of course a way to open a FILE (like in FQN), and add that file to the playlist you're editing May 16 15:47:16 aah, and a "stop after this song" May 16 15:47:23 DocScrutinizer: damn straight! May 16 15:47:50 show full pathname in info of any song May 16 15:48:02 Does the media player actually have play list loading? May 16 15:48:05 DocScrutinizer: what makes it so bad is nobody will fix these issues if nokia doesnt get off their ass and tell the community what theyre going to do with meego May 16 15:48:22 ack May 16 15:48:29 is you is or is you aint?! May 16 15:48:34 Macer: you mean the n900 right? May 16 15:48:48 alterego: they are hand in hand May 16 15:48:56 MeeGo doesn't really have that much to do with these issues ... May 16 15:49:07 why dev for maemo if it is getting mothballed in a year? May 16 15:49:16 and replaced with meego May 16 15:49:25 I'm not sure that's the best way tolook at things at the moment :/ May 16 15:49:29 and if it isnt May 16 15:49:47 Macer: I hope that problem is solved while using qt May 16 15:49:56 as it will be crossplatform May 16 15:49:58 then devs will be like "well. i havent developed for maemo in a year so why bother now" May 16 15:50:13 if nokia sticks with maemo May 16 15:50:19 so now it is lose lose May 16 15:50:36 LOSE.... LOSE heh May 16 15:50:41 Macer, Maemo and MeeGo are very similar. Develop for one and there's a good chance it'll work in the other. May 16 15:50:52 Terje_: maybe May 16 15:50:56 * lcuk kicks comp May 16 15:50:58 who knows for sure? May 16 15:51:31 why dev an app for 3 months to find out some obscure difference wont allow it to run May 16 15:51:49 fsck, mediaplayer isn't working (for any meaning of the word) anywhere. And nobody will fix it if Nokia won't May 16 15:51:57 i get the impression it's a bit like making sure stuff will run on multiple linux distros May 16 15:51:58 Well, that's where Qt comes in isn't it. May 16 15:52:02 Macer, because then you can use a few days to work around it. May 16 15:52:05 rather than on multiple types of OS May 16 15:52:07 nokia has to acknowledge their intentions and put out a timeline May 16 15:52:19 Terje_: maybe May 16 15:52:51 Macer, they kind of already have :P May 16 15:52:55 nobody knoiws for sure.. and uncertainty is a killer May 16 15:53:18 But timelines and large corporations usually have quite a few months latency :P May 16 15:53:26 * pupnik wants an AMOLED device now May 16 15:54:11 are there actually gstreamer-based music player alternatives for n900? May 16 15:54:29 alterego: well. they need to put something out there.. even if it is just maemo with a meego stamp on it May 16 15:54:47 I mean, mediaplayer is far from perfect, but perhaps it needs a fresh view at it to fix it.. although I wouldn't mind if they fixed a few bugs aswell ;) May 16 15:55:02 remember when sega released 3 gaming systems within a year of each other? May 16 15:56:56 a year after that they were ruined because nobody was certain if the one they came out with would be obsolete in a few months so sony, nintendo, and ms took all their shares and now sega only gets to release its scraps to those platforms May 16 15:57:14 Macer: I think, your best bet, for writing applications is targetting Qt, no matter what happens with maemo/meego, we will always have a good Qt support on the N900. May 16 15:57:33 And we can keep it up-to-date with the latest API's, so there shouldn't be any issue with application development at all. May 16 15:58:01 or option b.. hold still on n900 dev until the smoke clears May 16 15:58:28 or c. abandon it altogether and find a more stable platform May 16 15:58:45 I'd say the atmosphere is transparent enough to guarantee Qt as an application development platform on the N900 and future MeeGo devices. May 16 15:59:25 We know the next device will be Maemo 6 Harmattan, but it will be a MeeGo 1.0 instance. May 16 15:59:29 but why make the sega game that wont last as long when you can make an android app that you know will go somewhere? May 16 15:59:56 We know that the N900, until this device is produced is their "reference platform" for MeeGo, so we should hopefully have a pretty good MeeGo image for the N900 on top of this. May 16 16:00:08 i hope soon May 16 16:00:17 This is what I'm trying to tell you, write for Qt, it'll be future proof. May 16 16:00:25 the longer they wait the less people will wait May 16 16:00:25 At least for the next MeeGo device. May 16 16:00:53 anyways. taking my boy to mcdonalds ;) ttyl May 16 16:01:04 seeya :) May 16 16:01:36 do current symbian phones support qt apps? or is that only in symbian^3? May 16 16:02:00 You can get Qt on current phones May 16 16:02:19 I think the N97 and 5800 have it by default? May 16 16:03:53 nokia has been a bit slow making qt an actually viable platform May 16 16:05:06 Trewas: well, time is relative you know ;) May 16 16:05:19 Some people might think that they've actually been quite quick in developing the platform.l May 16 16:05:28 I've certainly seen a lot of work put into it. May 16 16:07:03 alterego: sure they have a lot invested, but the direct competitors (android and iphone) seem to be advancing far faster May 16 16:08:19 Trewas: I don't actually think that's the case, they may be ahead, but I wouldn't say they're advancing faster without coming up with a decent way of measuring that kind of progress. May 16 16:08:51 I've not heard of any ground-breaking things happening in the iPhone OS SDK recently, it seems to have been the same since the first version of the OS. May 16 16:09:05 OTOH, the developers aren't allowed to talk about it ;) May 16 16:09:27 And Android, well, I really don't like their platform architecture. May 16 16:09:38 ok, better to say that they just are ahead, no idea who is advancing faster :) May 16 16:10:21 Exactly, but Nokia, are certainly poised now, with a stable Qt releaase with all the Mobility API's ready, with a truely awsome development platform that will put them right up there with the iPhone & Droid OS. May 16 16:10:51 Lets see how Microsoft do with releasing an SDK for their mobile platform (which AFAIK is based on silverlight) :) May 16 16:11:52 Regardless, I'm happy with the N900, I'm happy with the current state of the OS on it, even if it is _far_ from perfect. And I'm looking forward and am extremely excited and enthused by what appears to be ahead. May 16 16:12:19 I really hope that nokia gets their shit together with smartphones and attracts app developers, as a finn that is pretty much required as they are 5% of the economy :P May 16 16:12:22 i thought MS's mobile platform was windows? May 16 16:12:27 And I'm not waiting, I've been developing using Qt, got stuff working on all the platforms it supports (Mac OS X excluded). May 16 16:12:34 (windows something) May 16 16:13:00 BCMM: (Microsoft Windows Phone 7) or whatever is not really Windows as a normal person would see it. May 16 16:13:17 And it's application development will all be C#, full .NET, and silverlight May 16 16:13:33 alterego: what was that thing they used to have on PDAs? May 16 16:13:36 I wonder if we can get Mono and Moonlight to allow apps to be moved across platforms, May 16 16:13:44 BCMM: Windows CE May 16 16:14:00 i thought that was for embedded stuff? May 16 16:14:01 both? May 16 16:14:04 They changed the name to "Windows Mobile" and now they see to have added "Phone" somewhere in the title, all very confusing :) May 16 16:14:14 Yes, a hpone is embedded ::P May 16 16:14:25 s/hpone/phone/ May 16 16:14:26 alterego meant: Yes, a phone is embedded ::P May 16 16:14:46 s/::/:/ May 16 16:14:46 alterego meant: Yes, a hpone is embedded :P May 16 16:15:07 alterego: so is windows mobile basically windows CE? May 16 16:15:20 BCMM: yeah, it's built on CE May 16 16:15:23 AFAIK May 16 16:15:34 wm7 is windows ce, but you are not allowed to run native applications May 16 16:15:36 damn MS branding is confusing May 16 16:15:36 And it's not really anything like Windows (underneath May 16 16:15:37 ) May 16 16:16:01 they really really don't like native apps on any platform now May 16 16:16:02 it is like iphone OS is OSX May 16 16:16:30 hey all May 16 16:16:34 i wonder if they're trying to be ready to make a version of ARM desktops if x86 loses May 16 16:16:38 ^for May 16 16:17:10 There's some ARM netbook like devicess. May 16 16:17:18 And the iPad is an ARM based tablet device. May 16 16:18:56 windows has been available to other processor architectures besides x86 (like alpha), probably they can port it to whatever architecture quite fast if needed May 16 16:19:18 Trewas: hah, not likely :P May 16 16:19:50 who remembers Skyroads? May 16 16:20:06 But again, time is relative, "quite fast" could be subjective :P May 16 16:20:15 port it fast? no May 16 16:20:22 there was an article stating why Microsoft wouldn't support desktop windows on the arm architecture.. although i can't remember where May 16 16:20:41 alterego: I said if needed, I would actually be willing to bet that they have interl version of windows 8 running on arm :) May 16 16:20:50 but encouraging .net development seems a pretty good insurance policy against having to change architecture May 16 16:20:52 windows 7 even May 16 16:20:54 Trewas: How much do you want to bet? May 16 16:21:10 (or does .net make assumptions about endianess and size of things and that?) May 16 16:21:10 Trewas: All the cross-platform code was ditched after NT on Alpha & PPC was canned, AIUI. May 16 16:21:11 i suspect the main reason MSFT won't make an ARM version is because so few people would understand why their x86 apps won't work any more ;) May 16 16:21:20 .Net works fine on ARM May 16 16:21:36 Trewas: None of the new video driver code for XP, Vista or 7 is anyway portable. May 16 16:22:11 PhonicUK: s/their x86 app/every Windows app on the planet/ ;-) May 16 16:22:35 not quite true, .Net apps wouldn't have a problem May 16 16:22:53 I can produce a .Net binary that will run on an ARM based Windows CE device, and an x86 desktop May 16 16:22:56 as a single image May 16 16:23:46 Jaffa: is there actually a lot of processor specific stuff needed in the driver level? I would imagine that most of the drivers are coded at level that is not *that* architecture dependent May 16 16:23:55 the only way it would work is if they called their ARM version something *other* than windows May 16 16:24:00 even if the API was identical May 16 16:24:48 Why not put an additional layer of abstraction between hardware and OS? :) May 16 16:25:22 MiXu, what do you think the HAL is for? May 16 16:25:29 Heh May 16 16:26:32 architecture included - the fact android has a VM is very sensible for them May 16 16:26:44 indeed May 16 16:26:58 you can think of .NET as microsofts answer to this though May 16 16:27:18 .NET CLR Code = Java/Davlik Bytecode May 16 16:27:20 http://www.itwriting.com/blog/2483-silverlight-and-air-for-meego-linux-coming-in-october.html May 16 16:28:27 lulz May 16 16:28:38 managed to add stuff to conversations via rtcom-el from python \o/ May 16 16:29:19 frals: congrats :) May 16 16:29:32 Robot101: nice find, that is positive :) May 16 16:29:45 sod taht, I want flash 10! May 16 16:29:50 and hardware accelerated video playback May 16 16:29:52 Heh May 16 16:29:52 alterego: is it? I doubt intel will make it available for other CPU architectures... May 16 16:31:24 I thought it was Open Source ... May 16 16:32:02 alterego, open source does not imply that cross platform would be easy to achieve May 16 16:32:10 Hrm, May 16 16:32:18 for any app May 16 16:32:20 Well, lets have a look :P May 16 16:32:27 of course May 16 16:32:44 THAT is what open source allows ;) it doesnt just mean its on a plate for you :P May 16 16:33:45 interesting how the timestamp is 2011-10-14 on the added message :\ May 16 16:34:00 lol frals, you time traveling again May 16 16:34:12 appearently, didnt even notice this time! May 16 16:34:17 i must be getting really good at this ;) May 16 16:34:25 nicely done btw, did you talk with the guys doing vertsms? or is this your own attack at it? May 16 16:34:39 ive had conversations where the date wildly screws itself up May 16 16:34:58 lcuk: i saw vertsms, someone posted a seg faulting snippet and ive fixed it :) May 16 16:35:05 cool! May 16 16:35:13 Looks like it's pecifically for Atom, so it probably wont be easy. May 16 16:35:13 it's very simple. if we can make android crap run on meego, meego wins May 16 16:35:21 otherwise google wins May 16 16:35:22 you gonna post the fixed one back to them i hope :p May 16 16:35:30 lcuk: duh ofc May 16 16:35:37 :D May 16 16:37:37 oooh - http://openbossa.indt.org/carman/ May 16 16:37:39 pupnik: well, ideally how would that be achieved? May 16 16:38:11 We'd need the Android JVM, and libraries that could interface with MeeGo May 16 16:38:43 We'd need something that made the apps place nice and look respectable, I don't know if Android has a theming engine like we do, so that would be interesting. May 16 16:42:05 pupnik: we're looking into it May 16 16:42:18 pupnik: people (Intel, Canonical) have demo'd android crap running on non-android systems May 16 16:42:25 but it's a bit tricky, IPC, graphics, et May 16 16:43:28 I'm not even sure it's that important. May 16 16:43:41 The majority of my friends, whichhave Android, don't give a shit about the apps, May 16 16:43:52 it's not necessarily about your friends May 16 16:43:59 Understandable, May 16 16:44:00 its about the manufacturers who can choose MeeGo or Android or ... May 16 16:44:12 There seems to be a fair few tiers of user groups :) May 16 16:44:18 if they make their decision based on (amongst others) app availability May 16 16:44:27 MeeGo is hardly compelling at the moment May 16 16:44:43 MeeGo doesn't exist, at the moment :PO May 16 16:44:43 it's a cyclical thing, you need good devices to have a good platform to get good apps May 16 16:45:00 yeah, but now is the time people are planning their devices for 1 year's time or whatever May 16 16:45:07 (or later) May 16 16:47:12 HAs anyone used QTranslate? May 16 16:47:31 I had an itch to write a translator which used google translate and noticed it's already there. May 16 16:50:21 seems like a pointless itch :) May 16 16:50:33 Really? Well, it's an app. May 16 16:50:36 Something that's easy May 16 16:50:45 lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=661038&postcount=177 May 16 16:50:51 And if it's polished I'm sure someone will find a use for it. May 16 16:51:19 I'm just at a lack of things to do. May 16 16:51:52 frals: hrm, if you send the SMS via Telepathy, it gets logged automatically May 16 16:52:10 excellent frals May 16 16:54:00 lack of things alterego ? crazy talk :) May 16 16:54:07 Did anyone bother making an application wish list for the N900? May 16 16:57:23 The Android dop paid for applications list looks crap May 16 16:57:39 Why are so many people evangelising it? May 16 16:58:02 i'd like gqview semi-hildonized May 16 16:58:05 Though, I suppose I'm not looking at the inbuilt functionality, which is probably better than the N900 ^.^ May 16 16:58:22 a working graphical T.O.M.E. May 16 16:59:06 gqview looks like quite a complex app to hildonise tbh May 16 16:59:21 what has to be done to hildonise something? May 16 17:00:24 does anyone know if the version of OpenTTD in the repos has the open art pack in it? May 16 17:06:58 it's pretty usable un-hildonized alterego. hooray for those incremental improvements May 16 17:08:14 Heh May 16 17:08:25 You just want a better photo view don't you :P May 16 17:10:16 random slideshow for porn May 16 17:10:30 Sweet May 16 17:10:48 any of you using synergy to speed up use of n900 while testing? it has this weird thing where it starts not taking the ENTER key anymore May 16 17:11:01 was wondering if it's just my version May 16 17:11:25 I was thinking, we could have a maemo community application stack, where we could replace maemo5-"desktop" and have "maemo.org-desktop" or something, and basically not have any of the Nokia components and just use our own ^.^ May 16 17:11:38 yep May 16 17:11:42 plz do! May 16 17:11:53 I will sponsor you to complete this task. May 16 17:12:00 alterego: yeah, and end up like me May 16 17:12:02 Your choice of either a bananna or a potato. May 16 17:12:03 good luck May 16 17:12:03 :P May 16 17:12:13 :) May 16 17:12:28 If it's _really_ nice you can have both. May 16 17:13:07 Yeah, there's no reason why you can't have both. Though, my first idea would be to replace the phone-ui, so I'd need a phone-ui-switch program for people to be able to use either-or :) May 16 17:14:02 So, looks like Androids app store is pretty crap .. May 16 17:14:21 (IMO) ;) May 16 17:21:54 hi all May 16 17:22:22 can anyone please help me with this simple sh script issue? May 16 17:23:03 http://dpaste.com/195301/ beyond lone 25 nothing works May 16 17:23:05 why? May 16 17:23:31 <_llll_> becasue of line 23 ? May 16 17:23:50 Heh May 16 17:24:09 cityLights: advice, write messages to stdout :P May 16 17:24:10 let me remove that line then May 16 17:24:55 <_llll_> cityLights: really bad idea to remove random lines "just in case", are you sure you know what you're doing here? May 16 17:25:00 guys, I dont have much expirince in scripting - obviusly May 16 17:25:05 so I am seeking any help May 16 17:25:22 <_llll_> that's fine, but random trial and error is not the way to anything but a broken system May 16 17:25:23 yes, this script is my own work May 16 17:25:25 adding -e to /bin/sh is pretty nice when debugging May 16 17:25:44 <_llll_> line 19 looks a bit odd too May 16 17:26:59 http://dpaste.com/195302/ May 16 17:27:53 line 30 doenst casue any text to appear in $LOG May 16 17:28:35 but I used the syntax in /etc/init.d/openvpn - which works fine May 16 17:28:45 what am I missing? May 16 17:28:50 how to create a function in sh? May 16 17:29:12 cityLights: well, what is your 'for' conditional actually iterating over May 16 17:29:38 And by conditional I obviously don't mean conditional :P May 16 17:29:38 I am printing out the arguments used when calling the script May 16 17:30:01 Well, that would actually be: for arg in $*; May 16 17:31:07 min pls, pastebining file May 16 17:32:16 http://dpaste.com/195303/ May 16 17:32:16 is it clear now? May 16 17:33:44 btw line 23 in the second pastebin - is not really relevent May 16 17:33:57 test -f $DAEMON || exit 0 May 16 17:35:13 anyone know a good RTS for Maemo? May 16 17:35:24 I guess the Qt 4.6.2 libraries in extras devel don't have QML support? May 16 17:35:57 _llll_: still here? May 16 17:36:10 alterego: here? May 16 17:36:32 I'm always here ... May 16 17:37:06 even... now? May 16 17:37:15 ok, so what did I wrote wrong? May 16 17:37:25 that sentence just now May 16 17:37:37 should have been "what did I write wrong" May 16 17:38:02 correct May 16 17:38:26 and how about this: http://dpaste.com/195302/ May 16 17:38:47 <_llll_> cityLights: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html is a good intro May 16 17:39:09 <_llll_> suggest you work through that a bit May 16 17:39:18 man May 16 17:39:21 I love albion May 16 17:39:27 hibernia ftw May 16 17:39:28 why doesnt the script run my case statment? May 16 17:39:59 mids > albs May 16 17:40:00 _llll_: thnaks May 16 17:40:09 hibs > albs > mids May 16 17:40:25 can anyone here see anything wrong up to the case statment? May 16 17:40:55 come on May 16 17:40:57 i dunno sh scripting syntax very well :( May 16 17:41:06 I work hard to achive that script May 16 17:41:18 what's it do? May 16 17:41:22 <_llll_> you've been given several pieces of advice May 16 17:41:26 and it workd up untill I changed from elif to case statment May 16 17:41:40 <_llll_> all sorts of things could be happening May 16 17:41:51 but some ppl here must know sh scripting - right? May 16 17:42:09 cityLights: did you try with -e so you see the output of all vars? should help with what goes wrong... May 16 17:42:28 min pls , frals May 16 17:42:29 wait... -e? so you'd type sh (scriptname) -e? May 16 17:42:46 <_llll_> i'd use -xv May 16 17:43:15 i didn't know that could be done, glad you said that ;) May 16 17:43:21 <_llll_> -e is exit as soon as a line returns non-zero May 16 17:43:29 alliance > horde May 16 17:43:33 <_llll_> -u is also quite nice (exit if a variable is unset) May 16 17:45:04 uh, -x is what i meant yeah May 16 17:45:55 _lll_ your name looks like a guy with a slit-like eyes and a comb-over in my irc font May 16 17:46:27 is that what you were going for? May 16 17:46:37 thanks _llll_ for -xv May 16 17:47:20 <_llll_> omar: no. and there are four l's, not three May 16 17:47:21 is this line leagal: elif ! grep -q $TYPE $CON_FLAG ; then May 16 17:47:21 ? May 16 17:47:42 <_llll_> depends ont he value of $TYPE $CON_FLAG May 16 17:47:55 <_llll_> if they are empty, then yes May 16 17:47:56 yeah i was too tired to hammer out that last l i'm about to pass out May 16 17:48:15 Curses, no Python OpenGL bindings :( May 16 17:48:21 i should have just hit tab but ohw ell May 16 17:48:41 plain explain: if the connection type ($TYPE) is not the one in the file($CON_FLAG) do .... May 16 17:49:57 <_llll_> walrus May 16 17:50:28 so did I write it right May 16 17:50:50 _llll_: already found two errors May 16 17:57:48 seems fine now May 16 18:09:11 _llll_: I now got this working: http://dpaste.com/195327/ May 16 18:09:19 but why do I see: May 16 18:09:38 + args May 16 18:09:38 + Count=0 May 16 18:09:58 <_llll_> line 21 shows a misunderstanding of syntax May 16 18:10:01 as if the script only ran the first line of args() ? May 16 18:10:20 you are right May 16 18:15:23 Hi May 16 18:15:40 Strange, Using the evolution python bindings I see 87 contacts, but when I look in my address book, there's over 200 contacts. May 16 18:15:48 _llll_: http://dpaste.com/195332/ still fails to issue args May 16 18:15:52 args() May 16 18:16:26 alterego: thanks for arg in $*; May 16 18:29:24 funny how I didnt run the script using the arguments to debug it until now May 16 18:29:48 oh ya, does anyone here uses the SDK on a gentoo box? May 16 18:30:23 cityLights: i do May 16 18:30:39 though i didn't use portage to install scratchbox May 16 18:31:02 just installed the sdk as given in the generic linux description May 16 18:31:09 rcg: great, paitence make perfect May 16 18:31:21 hmm May 16 18:31:34 acording to the current wiki? May 16 18:31:50 yeah May 16 18:32:19 ok, I did use portage , as I need it to update versions May 16 18:32:25 of scratchbox May 16 18:34:13 ic .. of course i did use portage for the first time to install scratchbox, though that somehow did not work out well so i got rid of that and followed the generic instructions given in the wiki May 16 18:35:45 well as some nice sideeffect i still have the init script from that ancient scratchbox installation in /etc/init.d which also works with the sb version i have installed at the moment ;) May 16 18:36:16 rcg: I am still solving this sh script May 16 18:36:35 then I will try again to make scratchbox work May 16 18:37:07 cityLights: ic .. if you are tired of messing with a non working sb just go with the instructions from the wiki ;) May 16 18:37:41 If I will get to that point I will file a bug and try to solve it May 16 18:37:50 or not May 16 18:38:04 depends on the amount of sleep , I can go without May 16 18:39:30 And... installing android May 16 18:39:39 virtual sb image its the easy way May 16 18:40:17 I am a proud owner of a pentium 4 and a amd64 May 16 18:40:27 so no virtual magic May 16 18:40:52 :) May 16 18:42:15 maybe after I write my awesome application for the N900 and sell million's of copies... May 16 18:44:12 има ли българи тука? May 16 18:45:02 waiting my N900 day -4 :D yiihiii May 16 18:45:42 Just managed to lock up the n900 May 16 18:46:51 Dad called, I tried to answer... May 16 18:47:04 call didn't meet May 16 18:47:05 Any UK folks out there? Congratulations on ICC World T20 win (#cricket) May 16 18:47:54 first thing i though about was the intel c compiler May 16 18:48:22 and phone couldn't leave the "answer or reject" dialog May 16 18:54:09 anyone here tried swype? May 16 19:04:03 opdf2, what is swype? May 16 19:05:20 text input system May 16 19:05:28 for touch screens May 16 19:05:33 bah, device isn't booting up May 16 19:05:33 http://www.swypeinc.com/ May 16 19:16:27 * lcuk passes MohammadAG the hammer May 16 19:16:38 what did you break lcuk? May 16 19:16:47 some code May 16 19:17:20 * lcuk is still hitting it atm May 16 19:17:45 it's just some code May 16 19:17:48 I can't boot up! May 16 19:18:03 nor can i May 16 19:18:26 well you have all night to fix it:P May 16 19:18:27 i love how dbus kills fmmsd if it doesnt return within x seconds May 16 19:18:33 I have 30 minutes May 16 19:18:59 i need to fix the problem so i can get on with the next thing, considering i wasnt expecting this.. May 16 19:19:22 hey all May 16 19:19:30 I just put Win 3.1 in dosbox xD May 16 19:21:37 neopwn r.i.p? even website is down May 16 19:23:43 PhonicUK: yeah, one of the first things people try with it, fun, eh? May 16 19:23:56 its funny May 16 19:24:03 i dunno why i didn't do this earlier May 16 19:24:10 Skyroads works really well :D May 16 19:52:49 lcuk, got it fixed? May 16 19:56:11 i dunno i went out May 16 19:57:26 hello May 16 19:58:13 is there any way to make n900 media player handle rtspt:// links? gstreamer can play them just fine, but rtspt:// link on webpage will be ignored May 16 20:00:19 hello there May 16 20:01:04 I've heard there was a way to stream video to n900 instead of actually copying it or using a shared drive. Can someone point me in the right direction? May 16 20:01:17 upnp ? May 16 20:01:58 you could set up coherence on your pc and then use a upnp client on your n900 May 16 20:02:09 don’t know if there are any atm however May 16 20:02:56 for more info about coherence see http://coherence-project.org/ May 16 20:03:23 or ps3mediaserver or any dlna media server May 16 20:03:41 or mediatomb May 16 20:04:31 start media server somewhere on lan and run n900 media player - you will see server's name in lower bottom corner of the screen May 16 20:05:22 oh, ok i think i am getting the idea May 16 20:06:35 you may have problems with codecs though. For example h264 works only with baseline profile, so you will probably won't be able to play most of stuff downloaded from internet May 16 20:07:16 damn, any work around? May 16 20:10:17 only recoding. baseline thing is limitation of DSP used for hw acceleration May 16 20:10:53 ffmpeg works great for that. Also some mediaservers (like ps3mediaserver) can do recoding on the fly (if the computer is fast enough) May 16 20:12:07 does n900 support seeking in rtsp streams (not live of course) ? May 16 20:15:01 <_llll_> mplayer perhaps May 16 20:15:10 does someone know if it’s possible to export the n900 calendar to some exchange format like ical ? May 16 20:15:43 _llll_: i tried using mplayer for playback of h264 video. It does not support hw acceleration so I got slideshow instead May 16 20:16:03 shikamaru: if you install SyncEvolution from Maemo Extras you can sync the in-built calendar to syncml services May 16 20:16:32 <_llll_> hmm, i rmember someone saying somethig about h264 on n900, but i forget what. maybe just that it doesnt work well for hardware reasons May 16 20:16:36 ok thanks I’ll take a look at this then :) May 16 20:17:25 _llll_: just stick to baseline profile and it works well enough. Well, until you try to use it in .ts files May 16 20:18:20 i have nice ffmpeg preset to make files playable in n900 and motorola milestone (android 2.1) May 16 20:19:34 <_llll_> what kind of files? May 16 20:20:29 h264/aac. Works well in .mp4 container. Mpeg2-ts unfortunately requires custom gstreamer filter May 16 20:21:02 it is part of my iPhone segmented streaming->n900 proxy May 16 20:28:56 any idea why n900 pretends to be Real Player when streaming from rtsp? May 16 20:29:20 because it might actually b.e. May 16 20:29:45 impossible, media backend is gstreamer May 16 20:31:35 besides realplayer works much better on rtsp (UDP) than n900 May 16 20:42:56 Stskeeps, lbt: where are the logs for extras packages 'obs build failures? May 16 20:43:49 (if they're public, ofc) May 16 20:48:41 and btw, the joggler is back at 49.99 May 16 21:09:37 javispedro: sadly they're not public - the server is by no means 'hardened' May 16 21:10:06 but I'm looking for people to volunteer to help work out the kinks :) May 16 21:10:20 lbt: ah. wanted to see why virtually none of my apps built ;P. thanks for the effort! May 16 21:10:30 heh, I imagine. May 16 21:10:56 usually due to problems in a dependency ... there are some libhildon apps that don't install yet May 16 21:11:00 what apps BTW? May 16 21:11:18 drnoksnes for ex. May 16 21:11:32 nothing provides maemo-version < 5.0 | libsdl-haa1.2-dev, nothing provides libzeemote-dev, nothing provides libzeemote-conf-dev May 16 21:12:11 ah, those are in -devel only. May 16 21:12:37 there are some oddities... I only copied "Extras" so if it uses the autobuilder's 'oh I'll take a peek in -devel' algorithm then it won't work :) May 16 21:12:54 that explains it :P May 16 21:13:07 I'm not judging (yet) ... May 16 21:13:21 note that it's very common to need -devel deps; as there's virtually no way to promote a -dev package to -testing. May 16 21:13:37 yes, I'm dubious about that May 16 21:13:46 I proposed 'Surrounds' for MeeGo May 16 21:14:15 which provides a community shared-lib type place.... but that has regression test issues May 16 21:14:45 anyhow... up at 4:45am so off to bed now... May 16 21:15:03 I'll be on/off for a few days... back at the tail end of the week May 16 21:15:14 see ya May 16 21:15:46 kinda a "can of worms" topic... May 16 21:21:56 timeless: around? :) May 16 21:22:08 javispedro: heya :) May 16 21:22:14 hey wazd May 16 21:22:15 yah May 16 21:22:30 * timeless_mbp is busy losing a couple of rounds against autoconf May 16 21:22:40 timeless_mbp: the only thing in the browser that pisses me off is "back" button :) May 16 21:23:03 timeless_mbp: I understand that eye-candy and stuff, but :) May 16 21:23:20 yeah May 16 21:23:28 timeless_mbp: is there any hack to make it work as expected? May 16 21:23:42 Oooh - a shiny animated list - is cool the first 5 times May 16 21:24:06 SpeedEvil: well, it would be useful to launch it on tap'n'hold for example May 16 21:24:31 yeah May 16 21:25:25 define expected? May 16 21:25:51 timeless_mbp: well, go back one page :) May 16 21:26:02 i think we fixed that for 1.2 May 16 21:26:05 timeless_mbp: like in all browsers in the world :) May 16 21:26:11 but there's "backisback=1" in ~/.browser May 16 21:26:14 which might do what you want May 16 21:26:21 now, all that remains is to get that 1.2 out and into our phones :) May 16 21:26:31 cancer is cured in 1.2 :D May 16 21:26:34 ah, backisback. reminds of me of old "sanemode" setting in some software May 16 21:26:53 timeless_mbp: thanks for the tip, I'll try May 16 21:30:45 timeless_mbp: sorry for stupid question, but what's the exact path to this file? :) May 16 21:31:00 ~ = /home/user May 16 21:31:09 ah May 16 21:31:17 but ~ should work in your shell... May 16 21:40:39 GAN900: ping May 16 21:41:11 what kind of stuff does autobuilder use? I mean, how does it work, roughly? May 16 21:41:34 Shapeshifter: sbmock, Scratchbox and some other glue (AFAIK) May 16 21:41:41 Jaffa: thanks May 16 21:42:03 Shapeshifter: There's been some stuff on maemo-developers about recreating the same thing yourself May 16 21:42:27 can someone tell me how to restore nokia kernel from enhanced power-user kernel ? May 16 21:43:41 reflash? :) May 16 21:44:00 One wrong way that will work is to get the stock firmware image to reflash, use the flasher to pull it apart - then flash only the kernel part May 16 21:44:21 its pr 1.2 May 16 21:44:54 GAN900: 8 left. I've delayed the publication (06:55 UTC) so I can polish any leftover; but I've got to go to bed now. May 16 21:44:54 Well - you must have a flash image somewhere for that May 16 21:45:04 Cegy: extract zImage from firmware and reflash kernel May 16 21:46:11 i did it with a command thats someone told me last time, there was list of kernel and mine was something like 2.6.28-20100903+0m5 May 16 21:50:05 How can I poke the tracker to go again? May 16 21:57:22 nite all, sweet dreams May 16 22:02:50 Jaffa, OK, on it. May 16 22:06:28 So they're using festival in the MeeGo IVI, interesting .. May 16 22:06:51 And navit .. May 16 22:12:33 lol May 16 22:13:17 Wassup GAN? May 16 22:13:46 blah May 16 22:14:05 ok. time to get gone May 16 22:16:05 is it possible to prevent the camera app starting when i open the lens cover? May 16 22:16:44 BCMM: it's somewhere in gconf. google for "gconf n900 camera prevent" and you should find it May 16 22:16:50 (since i sometimes open it to use the LED as a flashlight) May 16 22:17:22 also, does the camera app have to pause the audio? May 16 22:17:33 Shapeshifter: thanks May 16 22:17:36 ive got 4MB free on my rootfs and i dunno where its gone :/ May 16 22:17:59 now i have 29MB, wtf May 16 22:18:46 hmm May 16 22:19:17 BCMM: apparently tweakr has an option for it May 16 22:19:22 i want an app that lets me do ctrl+shift+left\right to switch tasks May 16 22:19:36 BCMM: the camera app per gov regs is required to make a noise when you take a picture May 16 22:19:46 so that your unsuspecting victims know when you're sneaking a peak May 16 22:20:11 since it needs to be able to make a noise, it locks out the audio channel while it's open May 16 22:20:14 :) May 16 22:20:17 BCMM: found it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=495516#post495516 May 16 22:20:18 timeless_mbp: which gov? May 16 22:20:20 and yes, anything is possible May 16 22:20:27 BCMM: probably euro/us May 16 22:20:28 * timeless_mbp shrugs May 16 22:21:43 timeless: and thanks, i assumed it was trying to help in case i was shooting video May 16 22:21:44 mine doesn't make any noise May 16 22:22:13 it makes a very soft "click" though it doesn't seem to come from the speakers May 16 22:22:46 Shapeshifter: i'm told it does come from the speakers May 16 22:22:52 thats the sound of the undercover policeman clicking the handcuffs on you May 16 22:22:54 you can replace the clip sound May 16 22:23:07 whether you should is um… questionable May 16 22:23:26 it's very soft May 16 22:23:26 i has a memory of such a feature in tweakr, but there is only an option about unlocking when the cover opens May 16 22:23:43 BCMM: I've sent you a link above May 16 22:23:43 of course there are legit times you dont want camera noise - at a wedding for instance May 16 22:23:57 sometimes you want more noise (kids party) May 16 22:24:22 nite all May 16 22:24:26 Shapeshifter: thanks May 16 22:24:49 i thought it was japan that had that law May 16 22:26:22 * timeless_mbp shrugs May 16 22:26:46 companies tend to make products such that they won't get in trouble w/ major governments May 16 22:27:04 and such that their customers won't complain about having their products seized at national boarders May 16 22:27:11 * timeless_mbp points to the iPad in Israel May 16 22:28:24 no bad timeless_mbp, no ipad May 16 22:28:27 no May 16 22:28:44 http://www.pocketpicks.co.uk/index.php/2009/01/27/us-considers-making-cameraphone-shutter-noise-a-legal-requirement/ May 16 22:28:59 what a joke May 16 22:29:04 BCMM: south korea too :) May 16 22:29:08 :D May 16 22:30:02 actually, how do they manage wireless spectrum stuff? in theory, it should be possible to get a japanese phone that uses banned wifi channels in the uk May 16 22:30:52 BCMM: It dpends. May 16 22:31:05 BCMM: It varies from customs actually inspecting stuff, to not. May 16 22:31:37 http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/business/israel-s-ipad-ban-sparks-media-circus-among-foreign-press-1.284472 May 16 22:33:30 i hope it isn't a legal thing May 16 22:33:56 i mean, there is still every other program that can take v4l snapshots May 16 22:34:01 which "it"? May 16 22:34:09 it's already unbanned anyway May 16 22:34:18 the noise when taking photos May 16 22:34:29 I find the israeli macbook shooting incident much more disturbing May 16 22:34:32 the noise is most certainly a legal thing May 16 22:34:54 companies don't add stupid features w/o regulatory requirements May 16 22:35:06 anyway, i don't care so much about that, i just want to listen to music while composing a photo May 16 22:35:13 http://lilysussman.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/im-sorry-but-we-blew-up-your-laptop-welcome-to-israel/ seriously May 16 22:35:17 WTFH May 16 22:35:26 would you like to be required to surrender your phone when you land in Japan? May 16 22:35:39 I mean, yay, it was a mac and deserved to be shot, but really.... May 16 22:35:41 timeless_mbp: it may just be because people expect it May 16 22:36:12 timeless_mbp: i can take silent photos with mplayer May 16 22:37:06 from what i've heard, israel makes the TSA look friendly May 16 22:39:25 timeless_mbp: camera phone noise is required in .jp right? May 16 22:39:38 and south korea May 16 22:40:03 I vaguely recall noises being made about it in the UK May 16 22:40:32 my article above was a .us proposal May 16 22:40:41 it's ridiculous May 16 22:40:53 inevitably eay to defeat May 16 22:41:05 BCMM: government regulations + ridiculous ? May 16 22:41:07 never! May 16 22:41:13 and no phone makes constant sound when shooting video May 16 22:41:14 unpossible! May 16 22:41:28 in .jp it apparently became very popular for young boys to photograph up womens skirts May 16 22:41:31 BCMM: for videos you're required to have a stupid red indicator May 16 22:41:44 bluetac May 16 22:41:53 ? May 16 22:42:15 maybe thats a uk thing - adhesive putty May 16 22:42:18 remember the dumb kids in school? May 16 22:42:23 they become lawmakers May 16 22:42:26 heh May 16 22:42:27 timeless_mbp: like you can't paint over the led or put a piece of tape? :) May 16 22:43:01 my point is that it's normal for governments to ignore the competent, but anyone can defeat photo noises May 16 22:43:04 tybollt: you can disconnect the audio path on your phone too May 16 22:43:44 thats the sort of thing you expect lawmakers not to undeerstand May 16 22:44:02 but everybody understands stickytape May 16 22:44:21 I am guessing that using tape is illegal then May 16 22:44:30 There are better things for that - http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=961876 - with a cam May 16 22:44:33 plus I'm guessing no company wants to be known as the "up skirt phone of choice" May 16 22:44:37 I mean, law makers also say killing is not allowed. yet I *can* use a knife May 16 22:44:42 does that make the law makers stupid? May 16 22:44:51 asj: I disagree. May 16 22:45:05 SpeedEvil: who does? :) May 16 22:45:20 asjWrk: If a 'Nokla' maker came up with that feature, it might be popular. May 16 22:45:27 High intensity IR flash. May 16 22:45:36 SpeedEvil: just think the marketing potential... May 16 22:46:52 "Is that a nokia up your skirt or you just happy to see me?" in scotland change that to kilt and you're all set... May 16 22:46:56 Me? I'd settle for a Working! N900 :'''( May 16 22:47:43 * SpeedEvil does not own a kilt. May 16 22:48:04 I do own a kiln. May 16 22:48:48 i May 16 22:48:57 where's that camera click sound stored May 16 22:49:18 pupnik: surely google knows? May 16 22:49:33 pupnik: you can replace it with a silent sound. May 16 22:50:51 you could probably abuse ld_preload and friends to change how camera works May 16 22:51:00 so that it doesn't lock the audio device :) May 16 22:51:02 * SpeedEvil wants to abuse the camera. May 16 22:51:08 is there a way to set a different ringtone according to who's calling? May 16 22:52:40 BCMM: not an out of the box feature May 16 22:52:48 it's all just software May 16 22:53:03 someone mentioned on friday that they planned to investigate this weekend May 16 22:54:00 ah camera sound 3 is nice and quiet. copying it over sound 1 gives a nice quiet tic May 16 22:57:20 N900 USB host mode + DisplayLink = win May 16 22:57:28 well, if only it was a bit more snappy... May 16 22:58:00 yes. May 16 22:59:07 javispedro: We're working on it over in #maemo-hostmode-discussion - need kernel peeps though. May 16 22:59:16 SpeedEvil: I'm testing it now May 16 22:59:28 javispedro: do you actually have a usb displaylink? May 16 22:59:37 I have a LG L206WU May 16 22:59:48 which also from now on acts as my self powered hub :) May 16 23:00:05 I was right; you don't need kernel patches _at all_ for self powered hubs to work May 16 23:01:19 javispedro: what is your protocol for getting it working? May 16 23:01:35 I never got that working. May 16 23:01:35 at what level? May 16 23:01:44 I mean - what are you doing May 16 23:01:48 I've tried too approaches for DL May 16 23:01:55 x11vnc + vnc2dl May 16 23:01:56 and May 16 23:02:02 tightvncserver + vnc2dl May 16 23:02:03 javispedro: Ah - sorry May 16 23:02:10 javispedro: usb host May 16 23:02:52 unmodified kernel, connect n900 to host, select pc suite (this is important for some reason, I think it's caused by g_mass_storage being an idiot), May 16 23:02:57 while plugged, May 16 23:03:04 echo host > /sys/..../musb_hdrc/mode May 16 23:03:12 echo H > /proc/../musb_hdrc May 16 23:03:17 hmm May 16 23:03:24 unplug N900, connect to display May 16 23:03:34 watch dmesg go by May 16 23:03:37 done. May 16 23:03:46 connect to display? May 16 23:03:48 oh May 16 23:03:52 s/display/hub May 16 23:04:24 the lg i'm using is both a fully self powered hub (don't cares about vbus) and both displaylink and usb mass storage composite device May 16 23:04:49 JAve you tried building displaylink stuff? May 16 23:05:02 It's working! May 16 23:05:04 I have pics May 16 23:05:21 of displaylink? May 16 23:05:24 yep May 16 23:05:33 working as a display? May 16 23:05:36 yes. May 16 23:05:44 Completely, utterly awesome. May 16 23:05:47 :) May 16 23:05:56 it's just _horribly slow_ because there's localhost vnc involved in between May 16 23:06:17 There is no inherent reason it should be more than quite slow - AIUI? May 16 23:06:47 I assume getting it to not go through vnc is going to be messy though May 16 23:06:57 yeah, there's a kernel fb driver May 16 23:07:03 ola javispedro May 16 23:07:11 but I'm using unmodified kernel, so didn't want to try May 16 23:07:16 long time no see May 16 23:07:17 hi DocScrutinizer May 16 23:09:02 http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/usb/x11vnc2dlusb.jpg May 16 23:09:19 pardon the mess :) May 16 23:10:31 that is so hardcore May 16 23:10:37 Indeed. May 16 23:10:44 a dream May 16 23:10:49 so you guys got usb host working? May 16 23:10:59 ohwhyme: sort-of. May 16 23:11:14 ohwhyme: At the moment it's unclear why it can be made to work - the drivers are not clean. May 16 23:11:24 ah okay May 16 23:11:42 ohwhyme: It basically needs some tidying of the driver infrastructure, so there is a nice clean way to switch it to USB host. May 16 23:11:49 Then it needs user-side software. May 16 23:12:07 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host May 16 23:12:12 are a coupleof the issues May 16 23:12:40 thanks May 16 23:13:38 Hi! May 16 23:14:11 someone here is the manteiner/developer of maemo.org? I got some questions about the user integration in that platform. Thanks! May 16 23:18:03 using Xvnc: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/usb/xvnc2dlusb.jpg May 16 23:18:12 (that is full screen distorted osso_notes) May 16 23:18:26 in 1280x1024 glory May 16 23:19:17 javispedro: that is using the USB OTG statemachine in creative ways right ? May 16 23:19:20 btw to run maemo-launcher in external $DISPLAY use maemo-summoner /path/to/app.launch May 16 23:19:43 *maemo-launcher apps May 16 23:19:56 Ikarus: probably May 16 23:23:04 javispedro: heh May 16 23:23:09 javispedro: it's atleast promising May 16 23:26:51 good morning May 16 23:28:28 hmm May 16 23:29:08 spammers are heartless May 16 23:29:17 "Save the orphanage.... i have cancer... send me money" May 16 23:29:18 haha May 16 23:36:19 * Arkenoi wonders why while cpu load during video playback is pretty low, GUI responsibility still sucks big time May 16 23:36:53 inefficient rendering, but I don't know the cause May 16 23:38:25 Arkenoi: main bottleneck is gpu bus May 16 23:44:06 btw, anyone checked if there is something happening like non-foreground windows having their associated processes reniced ? May 16 23:44:12 because I keep getting the feeling that happens May 16 23:45:41 javispedro, but how does it cause, say, touchscreen to be non-responsive May 16 23:45:42 ? May 16 23:48:34 someone here is the manteiner/developer of maemo.org? I got some questions about the user integration in that platform. Thanks! May 17 00:23:30 anyone else tried Opera for N900? May 17 00:24:18 nah, but i tried chromium for n900 May 17 00:24:42 yeah. opera's great May 17 00:25:57 budfive, do you know how to disable the mobile viewing? May 17 00:26:03 all sites shows me their 'mobile' version May 17 00:26:24 heh May 17 00:26:42 I still need to stick the Firefox UA in microB for that May 17 00:26:46 there's some option in the settings May 17 00:26:57 some sites give me the mobile version while they work fine at 800x480 May 17 00:27:15 budfive, "Mobile View" ? May 17 00:27:16 it's ff May 17 00:27:18 look around. there are really very few adjustment knobs in the n900 version of opera. If you can't find it, it's probably not there May 17 00:27:20 *off May 17 00:27:54 yeah. probably mobile view. does it not do what you want? May 17 00:28:13 budfive: mobile view means it tells sites it's Opera Mobile Edition May 17 00:28:27 which means you get sites optimised for 120x176 and other teensie tiny displays May 17 00:28:46 aah. many more settings if you visit opera:config May 17 00:28:50 it's turned off, and I want it off, but sites still give me their shitty mobile version May 17 00:28:56 i see May 17 00:29:04 the sites probably base it on the useragent string May 17 00:29:10 opera:config likely lets you change it May 17 00:29:11 let m e see May 17 00:30:06 is there another mail client for the n900 apart from modest and claws? May 17 00:30:41 I just run mutt on it, but I am probably more then slightly mad May 17 00:31:09 :) May 17 00:31:28 I set "spoof useragent id" to 2, and the agent string is now "Mozilla/5.0 (Linux armv7l; U; Maemo; Opera Mobi/1; en; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6 Opera 10.00" May 17 00:31:37 :) Maybe this is sufficient. oh man May 17 00:33:06 oh, 2 May 17 00:33:22 id 3 is "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Linux armv7l; Maemo; Opera Mobi/1; en) Opera 10.00" May 17 00:33:34 haha MSIE :3 May 17 00:35:53 so yeah. 1 is opera. 2 is mozilla. 3 is MSIE. And I have no idea what the sites you use look for, so these may or may not help you :) May 17 00:36:44 google.com for once May 17 00:59:37 has anyone tried the the gmail mobile java app work on the n900? May 17 00:59:47 s/work// May 17 00:59:49 pigeon meant: has anyone tried the the gmail mobile java app on the n900? May 17 01:01:01 Jaffa, trolling for articles now. May 17 01:01:05 Lot on Planet. May 17 01:03:23 * SpeedEvil wonders if it's possible to file a bug against n900 hardware. May 17 01:03:33 I suppose it's largely pointless. May 17 01:04:16 send your device back under guarantee May 17 01:06:45 naah - this is pretty trivial May 17 01:09:14 hmm, every now and then my n900 just auto reboots itself, seems to have something to do with wifi, but anyway, is there a way to find out what the reason is afterwards? log or anything? May 17 01:10:22 what's opera turbo? May 17 01:12:34 ohwhyme, that is where you open your n900 and solder on an additional OMAP3430 to the correct pins and it "turbos" your n900 May 17 01:12:40 I keed I keed :P May 17 01:12:40 lol May 17 01:13:38 ohwhyme, really, it sends your data through Opera's data compression servers, making your data smaller and effectively trying to speed up how fast you get the data. May 17 01:13:56 It works on text, images etc. But not stuff like flash May 17 01:14:11 changed the opera:config of the user agent and still cant get the normal view on pages May 17 01:16:18 how would you sync contacts to google on maemo5? May 17 01:16:22 ohwhyme, if your using Opera Turbo, its probably whatever Opera has set as their user agent server side that will get displayed to websites. Also if it uses the same protocol as their Opera Mini version, pages can be messed up. May 17 01:16:52 err... assuming they have Opera Turbo built into Opera Mobile for n900/n8x0 May 17 01:17:46 its an option, u can turn it off May 17 01:32:39 Christ, another new damn repo May 17 01:32:47 Welcome back to 2008. :/ May 17 01:46:11 Termana: actually interestingly the OMAP3640 seems mostly pin compatible May 17 01:46:12 GAN900: which dev is doing it now? May 17 01:46:44 frals: opera May 17 01:47:30 now I only know one guy who is mad enough to actually perform such surgery on a N900 May 17 01:47:33 but still, interesting May 17 01:48:12 You need to get a matching POP too May 17 01:48:15 which isn't trivial May 17 01:48:49 SpeedEvil: he works for Philips, they can get any chip and have insane enough solder monkeys to do it :) May 17 01:49:04 (well, just about any chip) May 17 01:49:09 Or just wire the POP pads to a DIMM socket May 17 01:49:13 :) May 17 01:49:24 lol May 17 01:49:37 SpeedEvil: this was the guy who was willing to get the USB PHY resoldered to hook the ID pin up May 17 01:49:58 * DocScrutinizer wonders what else besides a 6 instead a 4 the 3640 has May 17 01:50:01 * SpeedEvil almost did that to a laptop. May 17 01:50:12 Unsoldered the chipset to get at more CS pins May 17 01:50:25 DocScrutinizer: 1 Ghz CPU, lower power consumption, newer GPU May 17 01:50:52 oh, so it is quite different from our 3540 May 17 01:50:57 It would make for a really cheap n900+ May 17 01:51:02 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52857 May 17 01:51:09 XD May 17 01:52:43 n900 is the only phone that supports this os? May 17 01:53:11 yes May 17 01:53:24 * DocScrutinizer is watching his N900 charge :-) ETA for detonation, errr shutdown of charger now+30min May 17 01:53:39 evening fellows and gals May 17 01:53:43 no news of anything newer coming out in the next 6 or 8 months? May 17 01:53:50 how do i patch my kernel May 17 01:54:15 i have a patch file i would like to apply May 17 01:54:23 slopslaptop: Setup a toolchain, download the kernel source, patch it, compile. May 17 01:54:48 SpeedEvil, in my maemo vm? May 17 01:54:57 now quite sure what i am doing May 17 01:55:11 03:49 4169 96 96 102 1975 1975 1975 64 65535 32 0 May 17 01:55:13 03:49 4169 100 100 101 2050 2050 2050 0 65535 32 0 May 17 01:55:34 http://linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Kernel-HOWTO-6.html May 17 01:55:38 see that slopslaptop May 17 01:55:57 looking now May 17 01:56:30 Also - I think that means you still have rs=30 DocScrutinizer May 17 01:56:50 yup probably May 17 01:57:17 SpeedEvil, thanks i will take a look at the link May 17 01:57:53 do i need to set up any thing special on my laptop for the env other than the vm? May 17 01:58:05 I have no idea how it's setup May 17 01:58:14 I imagine not May 17 01:58:21 ok May 17 01:58:23 What are you attempting to do? May 17 01:59:07 i have a wl1251-monitor-mode.diff patch that i would like to apply to my n900 May 17 01:59:16 so that i cna get it in to monitor mode May 17 01:59:20 ah May 17 01:59:43 you could also try to convince one of the people putting out custom kernels to jam it in May 17 01:59:51 and not quite sure what i need to do it with May 17 02:00:27 its in titan's power kernel but again not sure what i need to do to get it to load May 17 02:01:25 SpeedEvil, got the information from here http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/ May 17 02:01:33 heh monitor mode 8-) May 17 02:01:40 Jaffa, I don't want to do a writeup on Android. :( May 17 02:01:46 *working* monitor mode May 17 02:01:59 DocScrutinizer, supposidly May 17 02:02:07 thats why i want to try it May 17 02:02:17 finally all 11 chan :-D May 17 02:02:33 err 13 May 17 02:02:37 12 May 17 02:02:41 bah May 17 02:02:50 http://xkcd.com/416/ May 17 02:02:59 Now all we need is the user-side software May 17 02:03:21 DocScrutinizer: I want all 14 and being able to run g on channel 14 May 17 02:03:24 fuck laws :) May 17 02:03:53 but the firmware locks that sort of stuff out May 17 02:03:58 ROTFL May 17 02:04:01 TI is a bit too careful May 17 02:04:01 so that is what i am trying to do just not sure what steps i need to do May 17 02:04:40 can anyone point me in the direction that i need to go May 17 02:05:10 slopslaptop: the above, and the sdk should get you there May 17 02:05:22 ok thanks man May 17 02:05:38 if i have any more questions ill be back May 17 02:05:53 (user side sw) and the agents May 17 02:06:53 btw, the number of ARM processors inside the N900 is just silly May 17 02:07:00 it has something like 6 of the little buggers May 17 02:07:58 Ikarus, Where are the other ARMs, apart from the main SoC? May 17 02:08:06 Ken-Young: there are _3_ in the SoC May 17 02:08:06 does anyone know of a severe weather alert application for maemo? May 17 02:08:16 Ken-Young: one in the DSP and one in the GPU aswell May 17 02:08:39 Ken-Young: and then the wifi chip, GPS chip and GSM chip contain one aswell May 17 02:08:54 or...where to get started for developers new to maemo May 17 02:09:02 some are only ARM 7, but some are quite featureful ARM 9's, like in the DSP May 17 02:11:36 Ikarus, Thanks for the info. May 17 02:11:51 Ken-Young: the only one you can access though is the DSP one May 17 02:12:06 and only that by changing the DSP bridge driver and loading a custom firmware May 17 02:12:18 the others are either with burned in firmware or DRMed ones May 17 02:12:51 and with no (sensible way to) access main ram May 17 02:13:28 the DSP actually can do that May 17 02:13:43 the GPU one aswell probably May 17 02:13:58 but you can't stuff custom code in it May 17 02:14:51 the others, the GSM one runs it's own complete OS essentially with multitasking (though cooperative) May 17 02:15:25 bt/wifi May 17 02:15:28 Did Nokia write the code for the GSM one? May 17 02:15:53 Ken-Young: from what I understood, no May 17 02:16:10 that's unclear May 17 02:16:20 probably TI May 17 02:16:29 DocScrutinizer: TI doesn't build GSM chips anymore May 17 02:16:34 ooh May 17 02:16:38 frals, zehjotkah May 17 02:16:49 The chipset for the modem is AIUI TI May 17 02:16:57 I could be confused May 17 02:17:34 yes May 17 02:17:38 but it's interesting to see how the N900 (like all smartphones actually) is a PDA glued to a GSM phone May 17 02:17:44 It's a nokia modem afaik? May 17 02:17:50 Ikarus, it's a PDA? May 17 02:17:57 GeneralAntilles: imo yes :) May 17 02:18:00 Ikarus, I'd say Internet Tablet would be far more accurate. May 17 02:18:03 no matter what marketing Nokia uses May 17 02:18:10 Quite frankly, though, it's really a COMPUTER glued to a GSM modem. May 17 02:18:22 Considering that it's damn near incapable of doing any PDA-like functions May 17 02:18:33 Describing it as a PDA seems . . . interesting. May 17 02:18:35 GeneralAntilles: that just depends on your software May 17 02:18:41 mine is pretty PDAish May 17 02:18:49 "PDA" is all about software. May 17 02:18:52 it succesfully replaced my PDA aswell :) May 17 02:18:57 Really, though, it's a term better left in the 90s. May 17 02:20:26 in my naughties it was still a quite apropriate term May 17 02:20:28 ShadowJK: RAPU YAMA is hard to tell, neven seen that fried chicken logo May 17 02:21:30 I think "rapuyama" is a .fi name for a flintstones character... and "RAPU" means crawfish/crab/lobster or something in finnish, and the logo looks a bit like that.. May 17 02:22:07 I was going off the TI GPS, which was implied in its datasheet that it connects to a TI baseband May 17 02:22:08 Fred and Barney May 17 02:22:58 lobster, yeah! actually... May 17 02:23:50 04:23 4174 100 100 49 2050 2050 2050 0 65535 32 0 May 17 02:23:52 But on meego-dev mailing list in the n900 open-kernel thread the nokia people refer to it as a nokia modem too, so ;p May 17 02:23:56 * DocScrutinizer sighs May 17 02:24:14 (and business analysts criticize nokia for developing their own modems instead of buying them) May 17 02:24:32 hehe May 17 02:24:39 ShadowJK: it's quite possibly they still bought most of the IP externally May 17 02:24:48 just finalized their own device based on it May 17 02:24:55 imo that doesn't make it a Nokia design May 17 02:25:07 http://www.forum.gsmrapid.com/showthread.php?t=4957 May 17 02:25:17 it's like calling the OMAP3430 CPU a TI device May 17 02:25:28 I wonder if Nokia CS-15 uses the same modem :) May 17 02:25:43 sure, they might have integrated it, but no, it's not even close to being from TI May 17 02:27:16 http://www.visualcv.com/fgoeusse May 17 02:27:21 is interesting wrt modem May 17 02:28:03 actually the modem has everything to build a featurephone with it May 17 02:28:32 DocScrutinizer: ofcourse May 17 02:29:37 DocScrutinizer: probably stuck in a simpeler package though May 17 02:29:48 so it's a little more compact May 17 02:29:58 but I'd assume even the die is the same May 17 02:30:54 DocScrutinizer: actually it's what differentiates the two May 17 02:31:04 Is there a getting started guide of sorts for developing for Diablo in ubuntu 64 bit? May 17 02:31:30 the featurephone has the UI and GSM stack in a single processor, the smartphone seperates the two May 17 02:32:00 I find it amuzing that the N900 got GSM certified though even though appaerently it doesn't offer the SIM secure channel system May 17 02:37:05 SIM secure channel? May 17 02:38:08 Whats that? May 17 02:45:17 it's a way for the SIM card to interact with the user (display and keypad) without the OS or any other app being able to eavesdrop May 17 02:45:32 ofcourse nearly impossible to implement on a device like the N900 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 17 02:46:33 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 17 02:48:14 2010 May 17 02:48:58 DocScrutinizer: it actually does May 17 02:49:05 DocScrutinizer: but you can't even get near it :) May 17 02:49:12 DocScrutinizer: I find it slightly annoying May 17 02:49:32 you know how crypto smartcards and SIMs actually use the same hardware ? May 17 02:49:53 you can combine both on a single card with some effort and convincing of operators May 17 02:49:58 wel maybe the modem actually has, but phonet doesn't support May 17 02:50:14 and given that I need a cryptosmartcard for some work applications :( May 17 02:50:22 now I am looking at those bluetooth cardreaders May 17 02:50:33 and hoping I can get those working on Linux May 17 02:59:16 ugh May 17 02:59:27 have to type all my contacts in by hand from google to my zimbra server May 17 02:59:28 what a pain May 17 02:59:40 someone needs to make a zimbra connector for mameo :) May 17 02:59:42 maemo **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 17 02:59:57 2010