**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 19 02:59:57 2010 May 19 03:00:01 odin_: there are HTTP headers to control caching as well May 19 03:00:08 unless it relates to DCMA (and you are in the USA) :) May 19 03:00:18 DMCA May 19 03:00:22 odin_: none of this is DMCA-related May 19 03:00:30 unless you spoof User-Agent or Referer maybe May 19 03:00:40 that could arguably be breaking a copy protection measure... May 19 03:00:41 luke-jr: no, but for copyright infringement every day 5k noobs pay k$$$ of royalties to those holding copyright of the iframed pictures May 19 03:00:42 odin_: you're talking crap, and really just trolling May 19 03:00:46 luke-jr, I understand that too, re Cache-Control/Pragma headers, yes none of this is DMCA related May 19 03:01:12 crashanddie: if your position were valid, Gentoo is illegal ;) May 19 03:01:18 luke-jr: eh? May 19 03:01:30 how so? May 19 03:01:35 crashanddie: Gentoo's Portage tree links and automatically downloads non-redistributable files May 19 03:01:37 such as nVidia's blob May 19 03:01:50 nope, it is redistributable May 19 03:01:59 is it now? May 19 03:02:03 wasn't last time I checked May 19 03:02:09 considering you need to accept the ToS when installing it May 19 03:02:14 or whatever their licence is called May 19 03:02:29 there's no legal basis for EULAs in most places including the USA :) May 19 03:02:31 luke-jr: it is freely redistributable May 19 03:02:57 luke-jr: and again, nvidia allows direct wget'ing of their tar, that's their issue, but doesn't make it a global acceptance for everyone May 19 03:02:58 IANL, and this is a really SILLY discussion May 19 03:03:22 crashanddie: in all cases we're discussing, the copyright holder allowed the copy May 19 03:03:27 what if robots auto-click EULAs (and all that) May 19 03:03:39 luke-jr: if my website says "None of this material is to be used outside this website's boundaries", then it is your duty to respect it May 19 03:04:09 crashanddie: only if I copy it May 19 03:04:13 crashanddie: even worse, that's considered default policy May 19 03:04:13 it wgets, boots up Xnest, runs installer with GUI into Xnext, clicks the OK button and exits (more grey area) May 19 03:04:24 crashanddie: Fair use in copyright law may trounce that. May 19 03:04:33 luke-jr: no, he didn't, odin_ *never* said the website accepted it. He said it had "dubious copyright/fair-use rights to view/use it" May 19 03:04:35 crashanddie: you can't force me to comply with your demands; if I don't make a copy, you have nothing to barter with May 19 03:05:25 luke-jr: in which case, he should get written approval, which in most cases will be 200 times easier to get than speculating on this without a lawyer familiar with your jurisdiction's laws and regulations May 19 03:05:33 luke-jr: bs, copyright isn't about ""COPY" May 19 03:05:34 at least in the USA, distribution online is "done" by the uploader-- in this case, YOU, the copyright holder May 19 03:06:00 yes the usage I am thinking through would by many be seen are fair use, my use of "dubious copyright/fair-use" was in relation to the copyright holders dubious claim over the material, in light of fair-usage of it (just to clarify that again, at not time was I referring to any already illegal content) May 19 03:06:08 I don't need to agree to any terms to view your website, unless you present those terms to me up front and decline to copy the site to me until I've agreed to them May 19 03:06:20 SpeedEvil: fair use, yes, but not integral copy of artwork. odin_ has been obtusely arguing about having a robot "copying copyrighted material", which doesn't seem fair use at all May 19 03:07:07 crashanddie: storing data to disk that the copyright holder's server sends you is undeniably fair use, especially if there's no header saying "don't cache this" May 19 03:07:21 well its thats true, the software-robot is downloading a potentially copyrights object from a webserver for display purposes, so yes in effect it must copy it to do that May 19 03:07:24 odin_: how about you just clearly state what the fuck you're talking about instead of remaining with such opake and unclear terms? May 19 03:07:34 ~sp opake May 19 03:07:41 ~dict opake May 19 03:07:44 Dictionary 'opake' \O*pake"\, a. See {Opaque}. [1913 Webster] May 19 03:07:49 ~thanks May 19 03:07:49 crashanddie: no problem May 19 03:08:04 but the real grey area comes into what happens if you attempt to "store it", as I think that of that as being the real breach, but then HTTP caches store it in say Firefox May 19 03:08:11 Machines cannot enter contracts. May 19 03:08:13 _ever_ May 19 03:08:22 Neither can chimps. May 19 03:08:40 Only humans can direct those machines to enter contracts or licences. May 19 03:08:41 * DocScrutinizer throws a remark into discussion about missing concept of "fair use" in Europe (at least Germany), then wanders off to ##hobby-lawyers May 19 03:08:44 SpeedEvil: neither can humans, unless given an opportunity to deliberate and back out, and in many jurisdictions, both parties need to gain something May 19 03:08:55 of course they can't and that was never the point, the "user of the software" enters the contact, not the creator of the software, this is the contract between the copyright holder and the "user of the software" May 19 03:09:09 luke-jr: yes - that's a seperate issue. May 19 03:09:19 may I suggest this discussion be taken elsewhere? May 19 03:09:25 odin_: you seem to be arguing that ... May 19 03:09:27 yes May 19 03:09:31 considering we've grossly overstepped the bounds of #maemo? May 19 03:09:32 crashanddie++ May 19 03:09:40 SpeedEvil: hotlinking never makes a copy, so there is no opportunity for the target's copyright holder to demand any terms May 19 03:09:52 the term robot is used throuhgout to emphasis the relationship between the "action" and the "control of the action" May 19 03:10:26 sure thing May 19 03:10:47 anyhow May 19 03:10:49 luke-jr: bs, copyright isn't about ""COPY" May 19 03:10:51 the reason I checked this tab... May 19 03:11:04 anyone get GPIO in 2.6.33? May 19 03:11:10 odin_: PM May 19 03:12:58 german word for copyright is Urheberrecht, which doesn't contain the notion of copy anything, instead it is about the creator of IP has the right to define what he wants to be done with the IP and what not May 19 03:16:16 and a lot of people pay lots of royalties for iframing logos or pictures they have not been granted to use May 19 03:16:47 no matter if that's "a copy" or whatelse May 19 03:18:45 it's a weaker form of a patent May 19 03:19:04 Wouldn't bypassing the EULA acceptance by directly downloading it be breaking a copy protection measure? (eg. the EULA acceptance protects copying). Maybe not in the strictest sense, but if you broaden the meanings a bit May 19 03:21:06 I doubt it would be under any such laws either May 19 03:22:00 * DocScrutinizer sighs May 19 03:22:22 do you think a cover version of a song is a 'COPY'? May 19 03:22:48 do you think you're free to do cover versions as you like? May 19 03:22:55 no? May 19 03:23:00 NO! May 19 03:23:06 you have to have the appropriate licenses May 19 03:23:19 DocScrutinizer: she ain't arguing that May 19 03:23:28 Termana = she? May 19 03:23:33 no? May 19 03:23:36 because the original songwriter holds the COPYRIGHT May 19 03:23:38 ah, my bad May 19 03:23:40 At least not last time I checked May 19 03:23:48 Termana: sounds pretty girly, apologies May 19 03:25:08 DocScrutinizer, I wasn't saying anything about the debate, I was merely saying, in the broad sense of the words copy protection measure, couldn't that include a EULA being used May 19 03:34:45 until now an EULA wasn't considered a copy protection in any trial I heard of. Would be rather silly May 19 03:36:10 as an EULA is to *grant* usage of some IP under certain conditions, not to stop a copying process May 19 03:37:17 bu I bet tomorrow some evil lawyer will try to make a point based on that notion, in some trial somewhere May 19 03:38:48 also the EULA is not re-asserted for every "session of access with the works", since part of DMCA is about "access control to copyrighted works", the holder must demonstrate they took measure to control/restrict access, but it is before the initial copy/installation process, all very grey May 19 03:39:39 and I give a shit on DMCA, as we got no such thing here in Europe, and bye May 19 03:39:45 * DocScrutinizer off for breakfast May 19 04:13:45 hello all May 19 04:14:07 I just bought a n900 it should be here tomorrow I'm pretty excited May 19 04:17:54 how can there be 511 people in a channel and no one to talk too? May 19 04:18:17 hmm? May 19 04:19:20 hey how is going? May 19 04:19:39 is it* May 19 04:20:11 yeah I'm really excited I cannot wait for my N900 to get here May 19 04:24:20 Good evening :) May 19 04:24:36 good evening May 19 04:26:17 I just bought a n900 it should come tomorrow I'm quite excited May 19 04:29:01 cool May 19 04:30:16 thunderfest, \o/ May 19 04:30:22 Join the party. :) May 19 04:30:41 I just walked into my room and found my computer speakers playing the radio. May 19 04:30:50 EM noise is fun! May 19 04:31:31 do you guys do much development? May 19 04:31:49 It had me a bit confused for a moment, though. :P May 19 04:32:11 thunderfest, I do a bit, personally. I'm currently employed at my university for the summer, coding for the N900, though. :) May 19 04:32:28 What about you? May 19 04:32:58 same also currently employed for my university for the summer May 19 04:33:13 doing multi-touch stuff though not n900 stuff May 19 04:33:23 thunderfest, Awesome - which university? May 19 04:33:41 East Carolina May 19 04:33:55 you? May 19 04:34:17 Simon Fraser (Burnaby, British Columbia) May 19 04:34:55 ECU is in north Carolina in the states May 19 04:35:24 the CS department here is not that great May 19 04:35:26 Ah. What sort of tech are you working with? May 19 04:35:26 * ljp works all day on development May 19 04:35:54 what do you mean May 19 04:36:04 ljp: heh, I guess almost everybody should know :-) May 19 04:36:16 thunderfest, is it laptops? touch-tables? mobile? May 19 04:36:26 ahh May 19 04:36:55 DocScrutinizer: I'm also developing kids in my spare time :) May 19 04:37:03 lol May 19 04:37:04 well we have a table I built a could years ago and I'm about to start build a lcd wall May 19 04:37:53 lcd wall, hmmm yummy May 19 04:38:16 handball lcd wall!! May 19 04:38:34 some 20 years ago I was involved in monitor wall development May 19 04:38:45 or skateboard lcd wall May 19 04:39:37 this is not really a LCD wall its just one big LCD screen that is multi-touch just wall mounted and not table top May 19 04:39:51 aah May 19 04:40:24 What type of multitouch are you using? May 19 04:40:37 FTIR May 19 04:40:42 Neat May 19 04:41:44 * jaem is a bit frustrated May 19 04:41:52 its ok I don't really care for doing all the hardware stuff I'm much more into building software May 19 04:42:04 * DocScrutinizer googles for FTIR May 19 04:42:15 I forgot to snapshot my SDK VM before updating it to [that thing we don't talk about] May 19 04:42:42 Luckily, my current code is not dependent on anything that makes a difference, so it still builds for the device fine right now. May 19 04:43:10 I have been developing some gesture recognition algorithms they are coming quite nicely May 19 04:43:27 I've ported some of then to my n810 May 19 04:43:44 thunderfest, is the N810 code public (or able to be published?) May 19 04:43:56 not yet May 19 04:44:45 my university will let me open the code after we finish publishing some papers May 19 04:45:06 Is the porting part of a larger project, or just for platform/reference purposes? May 19 04:45:34 just for fun really May 19 04:45:50 That's nice of them. The bulk of what we're working on won't be, and I can understand, but we have published one component already under LGPL. May 19 04:46:53 Hmm... just out of curiousity, does anyone know how Maemo exposes/stores its call log info? May 19 04:47:04 it took alot of convincing on my part I don't understand why academics are so afraid of open source sometimes May 19 04:47:38 for the n900? May 19 04:48:08 It's not actually relevant to me, given the circumstances, but I know some carriers offer plans with, say, 5 "friends" numbers as unlimited, and a friend was asking if there was a way to display call timers with calls to those numbers deducted, so you could see how much of your general airtime was left. May 19 04:48:11 thunderfest, Yes. May 19 04:48:33 I think I saw a thread about it on maemo.org but I don't have a link May 19 04:50:12 some folks were complaining about the built in call history app and some others went on to explain the the logger actuality logs alot more information then is shown May 19 04:50:14 thunderfest, Hmm, it is a bit odd, I'd agree. In my situation, they're receptive to it, but the core of the project is a bunch of fancy math that they hope to license out commercially at some point. May 19 04:50:45 In that case, I can see why, even though my penguin-hugging side wishes it wasn't so. ;) May 19 04:50:53 Yeah, I think I saw that at some point. May 19 04:51:10 As I was saying, it's kind of moot for me, as the only carrier in Canada that properly supports the N900 doesn't offer that sort of plan. May 19 04:51:28 are you a student or faculty? May 19 04:51:46 I'm an undergraduate student. May 19 04:52:18 ah I'm a masters student I have two undergrad degrees in math and comp sci May 19 04:52:31 I'm actually pretty stoked right now, because my evil dumphone contract is up at the end of the summer, and I'll be able to start using my N900 (which I get free as part of the research deal) May 19 04:52:49 thats pretty sweet May 19 04:53:04 Conveniently enough, the new carrier that supports the phone is just rolling into town around the same time. May 19 04:53:13 Take a look-see: http://shop.windmobile.ca/ProductCatalog/VoicePlans/PlanDetails.aspx?id=Always+Shout+-+EverybodyWinds+offer May 19 04:53:30 I cannot wait for my n900 to get here tomorrow May 19 04:54:01 The only catch appears to be that since the carrier is brand new, anything much outside the city areas they're building out from is actually roaming on a competitor's network. May 19 04:54:43 is roaming extra May 19 04:55:05 I have not had a GSM phone in years May 19 04:55:23 thunderfest, yes, that's the thing. When the page refers to a "WIND Zone", they mean their own network. So, if you go somewhere they don't have coverage, you'll get billed over-and-above the plan cost. May 19 04:55:36 As they expand, though, that becomes less of a problem May 19 04:55:49 I've been using sip over wifi for quite some time May 19 04:56:12 Gah! I forgot to turn off the haunted speakers, and just realized that the annoying noise I kept hearing was them. May 19 04:56:13 :) May 19 04:56:30 I really need to check into that properly... I hope that's not coming over the power lines. May 19 04:59:18 has anyone tried the clarivue mirror finish screen protector ... I've hear some good things about the ultra clear but what about the mirror? May 19 05:00:26 i haven't, but I love the Vikuiti DQC-160 I got on May 19 05:00:48 I have heard alot of good things about that one too May 19 05:01:59 but it seems to be a bit harder to get here in the states May 19 05:02:21 do you know of a reseller? May 19 05:02:57 Not in the states. I am from the states and ordered from protectionfilms24.com May 19 05:03:08 Ships from Germany I think? May 19 05:03:50 probably china May 19 05:03:51 I can't remember how long it took to ship because of the volcano ash May 19 05:03:56 shipping still free even over sees May 19 05:04:10 4 weeks from EU to AU May 19 05:04:20 on ship May 19 05:05:07 hey Arkenoi May 19 05:05:17 Yes shipping is free. May 19 05:07:07 * RST38h automatically assumed astronomical unit when he saw "AU". May 19 05:07:34 RST38h, how many attoParsecs is it between those areas? :P May 19 05:09:32 Who knows... This problem is still awaiting its scientific genius May 19 05:10:19 Somebody who has tmo moderation privileges, do take a look at the Vietnamese bozo May 19 05:10:28 RST38h, oh, what now? May 19 05:10:32 Spam, or trolling? May 19 05:10:50 Spam, selling stolen credit card data May 19 05:10:58 Lovely... May 19 05:11:18 And the f2hak guy too May 19 05:11:29 That rings a bell... context? May 19 05:12:01 Sorry, no, the name is HARDE, the title is "Buy Apple iPhone 3GS 32GB $180 Nokia N8 $250USD" May 19 05:12:14 Oh, that. May 19 05:12:34 The name you mentioned was one I recognized, that's all. Probably from previous incidents May 19 05:12:37 * RST38h amusedly notices that the trolls now started whining about N900 shortcomings in Chinese May 19 05:18:14 LOLLER May 19 05:22:43 MohammadAG: hey how are you . I bought n900 yesterday but I don't find arabic or perian language . I need it for keyboard only for search in google or sms or chat May 19 05:23:28 * DocScrutinizer thought there's arabic keyboard layout May 19 05:23:50 not in the default image ootb though May 19 05:24:30 what do you mean by image ? May 19 05:24:54 err, the firmware, the set of software packages, whatever May 19 05:25:23 DocScrutinizer: means I can append that language as a package ? May 19 05:25:33 I'd guess yes May 19 05:25:55 mintux, I heard some rumblings about arabic keyboard something-or-other recently, but I didn't read the thread(s). May 19 05:25:56 somebody built a keyborad layout for arabic iirc May 19 05:26:18 hmm May 19 05:26:44 anyway the keycap prints probably are hard to change ;-P May 19 05:27:28 not a problem if you're good at blind typing May 19 05:27:51 So, question for you all. May 19 05:28:57 I installed pygtkeditor also but it doesn't highlight source and everything was black . also auto close bracket doesn't work . what are facilities of that editor ? May 19 05:29:12 For the research we're doing, someone contacts us and asks to see a demo video. As part of this, I've been asked to put together some sort of semi-automated system that will allow us to quickly generate screenvids of our demo app simulating real-world functionality. May 19 05:29:34 The app (in the simulation mode) will run on a desktop/laptop as-is. May 19 05:29:47 However, I'm wondering if you folks have any suggestions about how best to create the video. May 19 05:30:17 I assume I'd have to be running it in SBox/Xephyr in order for it to look like a native Maemo app, right? May 19 05:30:35 Or can I fudge it in a native build on my desktop with themes and such? May 19 05:30:56 run it on N900? ;-P May 19 05:31:11 DocScrutinizer, last I checked, the screenvid applet had problems. May 19 05:31:18 yep May 19 05:31:29 dunno why May 19 05:31:43 Also, ideally we'd want to do it off-device; ideally, I'd hand a data file to a script and go grab a snack. Heh. May 19 05:31:58 That would be harder to do reliably on-device, for me. May 19 05:32:07 http://gizmodo.com/5542056/hitlers-bunker-and-apartment/gallery/9 May 19 05:32:10 Hehe May 19 05:32:16 jaem: but N900 has a CVBS video out you can record on any standard video grabber May 19 05:32:17 DocScrutinizer, there's a bug on it - I don't have the link handy. May 19 05:33:09 DocScrutinizer, True, although I don't have one. May 19 05:34:04 The CS lab has some machines with video input, but that's more messy than I'd like. May 19 05:34:37 I was just looking for suggestions/advice/opinions on the viability of recording from SBox vs doing it on a desktop build. May 19 05:34:47 I don't want to think about how messy recording xephyr might get May 19 05:35:03 DocScrutinizer, That's why I was asking - I've never tried, but I kind of had a feeling... :P May 19 05:35:29 hm. someone needs to make maemo for wii :-P May 19 05:35:31 heh May 19 05:35:34 probably nobody ever did before :-P May 19 05:35:37 Macer, it's called MeeGo? May 19 05:35:50 hahaha May 19 05:35:55 jaem: nobody knows! May 19 05:36:04 Wiigo May 19 05:36:13 :) May 19 05:36:15 RST38h, Please, no! *hides* May 19 05:36:21 hahaha May 19 05:36:35 if pr 1.2 comes out with a meego banner then i'll be satisfied :) May 19 05:36:48 Macer, *gasp* you said the forbidden word! May 19 05:36:54 Banhammer, quick! ;) May 19 05:36:56 * DocScrutinizer burrrps May 19 05:37:01 * Macer hides under a rock May 19 05:37:41 life of Brian - "he said the word!!" May 19 05:38:07 i was software modding my wii.. well.. it already was.. i was just updating it May 19 05:38:33 it's amazing the sorts of things that start to work when you put off updating for like 9 months May 19 05:38:52 Hmm... well, does Maemo 5 do any voodoo with the Qt theming, or is it something I could theoretically shoehorn onto a desktop machine? May 19 05:39:28 hmm, should work, no? May 19 05:39:56 batterygraph is qt :) May 19 05:40:30 -shrug- I've never looked into it. For that matter, is it even a native theme, or using the GTK+ themer through a wrapper, as on KDE SC, for example? May 19 05:40:32 * jaem checks May 19 05:54:43 I put deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free in source list but when I update lt's return error some index failds to download ... is it correct address ? May 19 05:55:03 mintux, where did you enter that? May 19 05:55:04 diablo? May 19 05:55:10 Or that... heh May 19 05:55:19 jaem: he said sources.list May 19 05:55:23 mintux, which device is this on? May 19 05:55:27 jacekowski, yes, but there are two. May 19 05:55:29 n900 May 19 05:55:39 mintux: it should be fremantle May 19 05:55:39 mintux, well, then diablo should be fremantle, to start. May 19 05:55:57 and you should do it via app manager btw. May 19 05:56:40 mintux, if you must do it via command line, be aware that the normal sources.list will get overwritten by the App Manager, which keeps its own. I'm not sure why they do that. May 19 05:56:46 ok May 19 05:58:43 jaem: im in app manager distribution field has fremantle and in componentes are free and non-free is that correct? May 19 05:59:11 mintux, should be. May 19 05:59:20 Do you want me to check (I'll be a second) May 19 06:00:00 ok May 19 06:01:27 incredible, my extras catalog is gone :-o May 19 06:02:25 aah, ssems that's maemo.org now May 19 06:02:47 mintux, That's correct. May 19 06:02:51 http:repository.maemo.org/extras/ May 19 06:02:58 fremantle May 19 06:03:03 free non-free May 19 06:03:07 -testing and -devel should be the same, except with the suffix on the "extras" bit May 19 06:04:01 I did update list. but I don't see any extra package in softeare lists May 19 06:04:08 **software May 19 06:04:36 mintux, Did you not have extras in the list at all before? May 19 06:05:24 mintux: btw maemo.org aka extras isn't editable/deletable here May 19 06:05:37 no May 19 06:05:43 DocScrutinizer, sorry? May 19 06:05:43 I don't have extra icon May 19 06:05:55 jaem: ^ May 19 06:06:18 mintux: extras is called 'maemo.org' here in HAM, and I neither can edit nor delete it May 19 06:06:21 mintux, yes, but I missed the beginning of all of this, I guess. Did you get the Extras repo deleted from the list originally, or something? May 19 06:07:08 mintux: so I'd guess you should have that as well May 19 06:07:26 as it seems to be 'hardcoded' to HAM May 19 06:07:41 extras in my catalog list and I did update nothing add in my list May 19 06:08:31 mintux: nobody ever cares about catalog list text file May 19 06:08:43 mintux, very roughly, how many program entries would you say you are seeing in HAM? May 19 06:08:48 so where should I looking for May 19 06:08:49 off the top of your head. May 19 06:09:08 mintux: look in application manager for "maemo.org" catalog May 19 06:09:14 ok May 19 06:09:39 mintux: menu -> catalogs May 19 06:09:44 then May 19 06:09:51 im there May 19 06:10:09 http:repository.maemo.org/extras/ May 19 06:10:13 fremantle May 19 06:10:15 free non-free May 19 06:10:29 mintux, that's Extras May 19 06:10:32 they changed the name May 19 06:10:33 hmm May 19 06:10:37 so that's extras, no? May 19 06:10:42 yes May 19 06:10:54 but suppose I would like to install unzip May 19 06:11:06 where can I find it May 19 06:11:07 it's not in my package May 19 06:11:10 list May 19 06:11:23 that's probably in extras-devel, or even tools May 19 06:11:26 mintux, oh... the actual command line "unzip" package wouldn't be May 19 06:11:38 I think it is in extras, but you'll have to install it with apt-get. May 19 06:11:49 maybe that May 19 06:11:52 The unzip file manager addon is in -testing or -devel, I think. May 19 06:11:57 I try with apt-get but it didn't find May 19 06:11:59 ...if that's what you're looking for. May 19 06:12:11 mintux, Check the maemo.org packages search? May 19 06:12:14 so should I add extras-devel? May 19 06:12:27 mintux, check -testing first. May 19 06:12:38 anyway rule of thumb is you need apt-get install for non-GUI packages May 19 06:12:53 means add -testing where? May 19 06:13:03 DocScrutinizer, You mean I need to use the console to get console apps?! Madness! May 19 06:13:18 mintux: yep, if you want to dare, then add extras-devel to application manager catalogs May 19 06:13:30 in components? May 19 06:13:37 jaem: yes, nuts, isn't it? May 19 06:13:40 mintux, sorry, copy the "maemo.org" repo info into a new cataloge, but in the URL, change "extras" to "extras-testing" or "extras-devel" May 19 06:13:46 * jaem shakes his head May 19 06:13:57 got it May 19 06:14:14 :-Dsorry May 19 06:15:10 testing is safe than devel? May 19 06:15:21 a little May 19 06:15:27 mintux, yes. -testing is the "beta" repo, and -devel is the repo that kills cute animals. May 19 06:15:36 hmm May 19 06:20:18 Morning, all May 19 06:20:31 GAN900: ping May 19 06:21:20 hmhm, nice, it seems I can make the desktop crash when pressing the top button May 19 06:21:53 Corsac, yay? May 19 06:24:45 rebooting just in case May 19 06:25:06 (and I hate when some widgets aren't restarted when desktop crashes) May 19 06:25:39 are we there yet? May 19 06:25:42 seems fixed after reboot May 19 06:26:46 dotblank, I'd say "no", because that's the stereotypical answer, however, if you elaborate, maybe I can be more helpful. :P May 19 06:29:05 something typed in my phone and send to me. what's that ?????? see http://codepad.org/l93TY05p these typed in conversation yahoo on my n900 May 19 06:29:16 it's hack or something like that ? May 19 06:29:42 someone trying to, probably May 19 06:29:59 who? how ? May 19 06:30:14 but that output is from where? :P May 19 06:31:01 what shall I do now ? May 19 06:31:24 when I installed extra plugin for converesation and add IRc this happened May 19 06:33:21 when connected to an irc chan? May 19 06:33:31 yep May 19 06:34:05 and i'v got it from extra-testing repository May 19 06:34:27 please check that if someone write a trojan or something like that May 19 06:34:56 but it send from yahoo May 19 06:35:03 1 id is enable on my phone May 19 06:35:11 and 1 id is enable on my pc May 19 06:35:34 with the id from phone that texts sent to me from yahoo messenger May 19 06:36:00 it seems windows command May 19 06:40:33 jonny.lamb@collabora.co.uk made that package May 19 06:43:08 mintux: quite a mystery :) May 19 06:43:55 what sort of client would execute that in a dos shell? (or some other execution environment?) May 19 06:46:29 eh... :P May 19 06:46:54 * mintux loves linux mint May 19 06:48:02 mintux, the package isn't malicious - you can be pretty sure of that. May 19 06:48:09 well, probably somebody on irc sent you that May 19 06:48:10 Probably just IM spam May 19 06:48:15 exactly May 19 06:48:25 that's what happens when you install packages that you don't know how to use May 19 06:48:28 or don't rtfm May 19 06:48:32 before using them May 19 06:48:38 s/or/and/ May 19 06:48:38 jacekowski meant: befande using them May 19 06:48:43 jacekowski, fail May 19 06:48:47 :) May 19 06:50:28 nooo I have 2 yahoo id => mrglinux (it log on my phone) and hesedigar is login on my pc . the window was open. I don't touch phone but from phone that texts send to me and I see the phone .it look like somebody type it in my phone in yahoo id and press send and I got it in my pc from second id May 19 06:51:07 what is the spam here? May 19 06:52:18 So you managed the get a maemo phone infected with something that spams your contact lists with potentially dangerous lins/commands ? May 19 06:53:57 viliny__: doubt that May 19 06:53:59 I just install some softwrae May 19 06:54:06 i think he doesn't know what happened May 19 06:54:17 I bought it yesterday May 19 06:54:30 * mintux thinks take photo from phone and put it here May 19 06:54:49 i hate people doing that May 19 06:54:57 there is screenshot app avaliable May 19 06:54:58 use it May 19 06:55:12 I didn't know May 19 06:55:15 I installed now May 19 06:55:19 install May 19 06:55:31 i have to go now May 19 06:56:14 what is the pacakge name ? for take screenshot? May 19 06:56:42 you don't even need app for it. ctrl+shift+p does the job May 19 06:56:48 ok May 19 06:57:02 Nitial: and 3rd hand would be usefull as well May 19 06:58:00 ~Fruity Oaty Bars, make a man out of a mouse...~ May 19 07:02:56 jacekowski: naw, three hands on the n900's keyboard? are you kidding? i'd say i have a lil smaller hands than average and with two hands the keyboard is already full ^^ May 19 07:03:09 jacekowski: screenshot of my phone http://img6.tinypic.info/files/tusc5bei1jdjw9ht2dq1.png and my computer http://img6.tinypic.info/files/p7zn7tmlixzax9lc4m2n.png I know what happened May 19 07:03:48 Nitial, screencap is built in? Really? May 19 07:05:05 yes May 19 07:05:19 it send from my pc to phone May 19 07:05:22 not phon to pc May 19 07:05:31 amazing May 19 07:05:45 morning May 19 07:05:58 morning, hrw May 19 07:06:21 but here is pidgin and there is no spam or something like that for pidgin . what does it mean May 19 07:08:59 mintux: hu? no spam in pidgin? you know it depends more on the protocol you are using not on the messenger itself whether spam arrives you or not... May 19 07:09:59 mintux, that's true. Unless you have a client that has a built-in spam filter (I don't know of any with that by default), then the client isn't going to have an effect May 19 07:10:28 hmm May 19 07:10:37 I didn't see it before May 19 07:11:29 yahoo messenger maybe be damaged with virus or hacked because on windows and ... but pidgin and linux is very hard to break May 19 07:11:38 mintux: trust me, i got at some point a hell lot of spam... don't know who sold my UIN out but i get several times a day some goddamn "friend requests" in ICQ from some russians May 19 07:11:57 hmm May 19 07:11:58 nothing against russians, just the spam is hell a lot of annoying May 19 07:12:46 when cable of power connected the display doesn't turn off? May 19 07:12:55 mintux: trust me, linux is not unbreakable... in fact every day at least there is an exploit found in damaging your system badly... most harmful case is the user himself ^^ May 19 07:13:11 ok May 19 07:13:53 BAH May 19 07:14:05 so russia pretty much owned finland in ice hockey yesterday. I swear, every time i muster the intrest to watch that crap it follows the same formula: Start off exciting and end with a brutal letdown - done with hockey for a couple more years :P May 19 07:14:12 Goddamn russians ^^ May 19 07:14:15 why does the 'downloads' page for an application reset itself randomly? May 19 07:14:43 mintux, I think mikki-kun may be exaggerating a bit, but the point is still valid. Linux is generally quite secure, but User Error is still by far the leading cause of problems on any OS. May 19 07:14:48 viliny__: but finland played really bad yesterday... what the hell were they doing? no attacks just some "here, your puck, try doing something" May 19 07:15:40 ...also, spam happens. If your computer were infected, ads/spam would probably *not* be being piped into your IM client - there are many better ways to present ads when you've already infected a computer. May 19 07:15:41 Heh. May 19 07:16:01 jaem: can just report of my first linux-experiences ^^ tried suse 4 years ago.... damn, i killed gdm and i didn't know anymore what to do :D in th aftermath something really funny ^^ May 19 07:16:16 when my phone connected to the cable of power somebody call on my phone but I didn't answer but display didn't turn off after 30 seconds . ( I unplugged cable ) but display was still light until I press lock screen and keyboard. why ? now I doesn't worl with my phone but display is on too ( cable is connected now ) May 19 07:16:18 blarrgh, modem stuck at 2.5 for 5h. Had to swith to 3G-only and back to dual to fix it May 19 07:16:31 mikki-kun: started off promising and ended with blue balls - standard procedure :P May 19 07:17:03 viliny__: but hey, at least next opponent is not canada May 19 07:17:13 that's now the winners problem :D May 19 07:17:17 mikki-kun, hehe... one of my earliest serious mess-ups was a typo that moved the contents of /usr to a subdirectory of itself. >_< May 19 07:17:50 ö.ö now that is also bad :D May 19 07:17:51 Luckily, the one app that didn't quickly bail on me was an IDE with a console embedded in it, and I was able to repair the damage without rebooting. May 19 07:19:22 but the thing could have been easily repaired with a live-usb May 19 07:19:47 Yes, but at the time, I didn't know if rebooting would have done more damage. May 19 07:20:18 Gah... I'm an idiot. I just tar'd a symlink and transferred it across machines, only to realize that I didn't have any of the files in the *actual* folder May 19 07:22:14 jaem: yeah, with compressing files i had also my share... May 19 07:22:34 it's way easier doing that via command line than with a GUI i think May 19 07:27:06 how can I play the flv movie from youtube ( I grab it form /tmp ) it doesn't play even I renamed to .flv but it doesn't play May 19 07:27:16 hello all.. how can i install qemu on n900?? do i need to add another repo? May 19 07:27:30 kPb_in, QEmu ... *on* ... the N900? May 19 07:27:33 I doubt you can. May 19 07:27:37 At least, you can't right now. May 19 07:27:40 What are you trying to do? May 19 07:27:50 mintux, the stock media player won't play FLV May 19 07:28:00 MPlayer or one of its graphical frontends will. May 19 07:28:17 Try KMplayer if aren't comfortable with the command line - I think it's available somewhere. May 19 07:28:31 jaem, bochs is available.. just wanted to play around May 19 07:28:33 :) May 19 07:28:50 kPb_in, Ah... to my knowledge, there is no QEmu port. May 19 07:29:01 jaem, ok May 19 07:29:25 jaem: i find SIB way easier to use than KMplayer... KMplayer gave me sometimes crashes... May 19 07:29:40 SIB? May 19 07:29:56 ...and yeah, I'm not a fan of KMPlayer - it's just all I could think of off the top of my head. May 19 07:30:00 yeah, it's as well a front-end to mplayer, just more touchfriendly May 19 07:30:11 Huh... is it in the repos? May 19 07:30:37 yeah, but i think in -devel May 19 07:31:12 hi everyone ... i'm having a little problem installing maemo5 sdk on the fedora core 12 May 19 07:31:52 WTF?! i getting all the time "operation failed' messages now after the remake of my n900, but the operations still complete successfully May 19 07:32:08 it says "you must manually run 'dpkg -- configure -a' May 19 07:32:12 dont know how to do that .. May 19 07:32:59 does fedora even use dpkg? May 19 07:33:25 no it doesnt. Thats what i'm thinking, maybe the py installation file of m5 needs some fix? May 19 07:33:56 I googled, and a blog mentioned installing it on fedora, but its talking about some old sdk installation file May 19 07:34:38 btw mikki-kun, the operation failed msgs, used to come in some older fw afair May 19 07:35:01 let's see if PR1.1.1 changes that May 19 07:35:26 yea it'll May 19 07:35:31 i won't "upgrade" to PR1.2 May 19 07:35:43 pr1.2 is not out yet. May 19 07:36:02 n9user1: there is the "offical leaked version" ^^ May 19 07:36:09 but that i won't touch May 19 07:36:44 wuhu "Operating system successfully updated"... reminds me of windows somehow atm where it tells you everything you don't need to know... May 19 07:36:56 yea i know about that, but we dont exactly know what level of stability it has, some says it slows down things and they experience delays at various places, for some its pretty fast. May 19 07:37:15 but u can wait, and pr1.1 is pretty nice. And wont give you the operation failed msgs. May 19 07:37:25 i will wait for the official pr1.2 May 19 07:37:30 yea May 19 07:37:53 it's smarter... who knows where the pr1.2 now available even came from May 19 07:38:08 and it eats your modem May 19 07:38:19 hu? my poor modem :( May 19 07:38:23 well its has everything that we know will be in pr1.2 :) May 19 07:38:30 n9user1, If you're getting dpkg errors on a non-debian system, that's the first sign that your install is not going to succeed without hacks. :P May 19 07:38:32 good that i didn't use it May 19 07:38:39 modem, it does, but only if you go 1.2, than come back to 1.1 May 19 07:38:51 yes May 19 07:38:54 it is not right to leak your company's stuff May 19 07:38:56 n9user1, if you're able to run the SDK in a VM, or on a Debian/*buntu box, that would be your best bet May 19 07:39:00 yes, jaem, but what are those hacks :) May 19 07:39:10 well, maybe Nokia should release the PR1.2 someday before christmas so people won't get anxious to update to leaked and unofficial version May 19 07:39:25 nokia really takes his time tbh May 19 07:39:38 n9user1, Well, you might get away with a chroot, but the only sane way to do that from scratch is to get debootstrap installed, and on Fedora... I don't know May 19 07:39:46 You could do it, but there probably isn't a package. May 19 07:39:57 don't understand why they publisheed the SDK so long ago May 19 07:40:02 it's such an epic fail we don't even want to hear about it here in this channel :-P May 19 07:40:12 in the case of maemo it might be good for them to have a -devel or -testing repo for the internal updates as well May 19 07:40:15 Arch has it, because it's Arch, but normally Debian stuff is hard to find packaged for other distros May 19 07:40:15 let us geeks help find bugs May 19 07:40:17 i am more of the "when something is available it should be released, even if there could be some bugs. but just give a goddamn warning out that it may hurt your system" May 19 07:40:38 n9user1, look up debootstrap chroot if you're interested in trying. It's not ideal, but it might work May 19 07:40:53 mikki-kun, yes, but that unfortunately doesn't fly in this sort of case. May 19 07:41:00 mikki-kun: yeah - make it require some command-line typing. keep the pointy-clicky-crowd away May 19 07:41:11 Disclaimers or no, all it takes is a few whiners on the forums, and the tech press rips you apart. May 19 07:41:35 sigh. May 19 07:41:39 jaem, i think if some developer who has python knowledge and knows linux's installer stuff, maybe be able to tweak that m5 installation py file May 19 07:41:42 the tech-press is full of idiots May 19 07:41:47 jaem: well, depends how it's presented and if the warning comes trice May 19 07:42:11 jaem is right May 19 07:42:16 pupnik, yes, I agree, but they still have some clout in that people read their idiocy, and enough believe them to make a difference May 19 07:42:18 found this May 19 07:42:20 http://www.alphatek.info/2010/02/13/install-the-nokia-n900-maemo-5-sdk-on-fedora/ May 19 07:42:43 mikki-kun, I fully agree with you in the principle of it, but as I said, it doesn't work so well for large corporations in reality May 19 07:44:55 hm.. but what about gentoo then e.g.? i mean, gentoo can't even be installed without command line (at least not maintained) and thatis definitly not "point-n-click" friendly... i'd say if the users want to really control their system they have to read books otherwise they just scratch the surface and that isn't what "customizing" is about imo May 19 07:45:06 Exactly. May 19 07:45:17 But Gentoo isn't being sold to the general public on phones. May 19 07:45:30 i bought a goddamn linux-device and not something "iphone'isch" May 19 07:45:31 If it was, then it would either die, or quickly become something very different. May 19 07:45:54 mikki-kun, yeah, and they aren't hiding all of that from you, but QA/RTFM issues aren't the same thing at all. May 19 07:45:59 i was thinking in maybe buying myself in the future another n900 and try building gentoo on it May 19 07:46:07 Whats the best performing video codec for the n900? May 19 07:46:08 mikki-kun, it's been done on the N810 May 19 07:46:31 I heard some divx/xvid plays slowly May 19 07:46:49 mp4? h264? May 19 07:46:58 divx xvid played fine on my n95 and runs great on the n900 May 19 07:47:10 but I also want max quality... May 19 07:47:20 the answer is 42 May 19 07:47:22 i think this may be the solution http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/SDK May 19 07:47:26 Almost raw... but I want it to perform smoothly May 19 07:47:46 jaem: gentoo was successfully ported to the n810? whoah, gotta see that then :) May 19 07:47:49 Like If I wanted High-bitrate but low CPU that works on the n900 May 19 07:48:25 mikki-kun, for some value of "successfully" :P Google it - it was quite a while back. May 19 07:48:31 dotblank: max quality on the n900 screen? May 19 07:48:38 yes May 19 07:48:48 will do when i try porting gentoo to the wonderful n900 ^^ May 19 07:49:16 mikki-kun, meh, scrap Gentoo - get Plan9 working on it :) May 19 07:49:39 jaem: Does it works with The Windews 7?!111 May 19 07:49:50 dotblank: those are diametrally opposed - higer-bitrate = higher CPU usage. Stick with hardware accelerated profiles and you will be OK May 19 07:49:53 dotblank: what does that even mean? You take a high quality but obviously a little less resolution video file and play it... in most cases it will look perfect because of the physical size of the screen. Even TV-out has such shitty quality that any divx compression pales there May 19 07:50:00 well, first gentoo, then after some years i'll make my own linux via LFS ^^ May 19 07:50:03 i don't get the max quality part May 19 07:50:09 tybollt_, Plan9 works great with Windows 7 - it formats it beautifully, and works without issue! May 19 07:50:22 -snerk- May 19 07:50:35 achipa, not necessarily it can be high bitrate low cpu at the cost of space May 19 07:51:02 its the compressin that costs cpu May 19 07:51:04 dotblank: you can't cross-compare across different codecs May 19 07:51:15 Um... May 19 07:51:32 "Error: An unknown error has occurred" Woo! The best kind of error! May 19 07:51:41 what im asking what are the most optimized video codecs for the n900 May 19 07:51:58 jaem: take a look at /var/log/messages ;) ^^ May 19 07:52:10 like If I play h.264 the decoder might be buggy or slow May 19 07:52:15 dotblank: those that are HW accelerated May 19 07:52:25 mikki-kun, naw, this was from makepkg - not something that gets logged May 19 07:52:36 achipa, on the n900.. Is it hardware accelerated.. if so then that would be much more ideal May 19 07:52:48 dotblank: the problem is that h264 has several profiles. If you try one that IS supported, cool. If not, it will suck. May 19 07:53:02 achipa, ah.. Which profiles? May 19 07:53:10 so 'h264' alone means little May 19 07:53:13 hm.. well, logging everything would also be a lil cpu and io heavy ^^ May 19 07:53:28 i think there is a thread on tmo where people experimented with this... May 19 07:55:02 in any case, baseline h264 with <=800x480 resolution should work May 19 07:55:44 mikki-kun, was that directed at me? May 19 07:56:28 jaem: yeah May 19 07:57:34 hm... slowly my n900 will reach again it's former strength and goes even beyond that ^^ May 19 07:57:57 *currently reinstalling every packet* May 19 07:58:09 made a blank install May 19 07:59:17 dotblank: btw the 'demo' video that comes with the N900 is over 3000kbps (mp4), so bitrate is not really an issue if the format is okay for the DSP. May 19 07:59:46 achipa, Thanks for your input May 19 08:00:03 jaem: just one thing... why is there then extras-devel available for the everyday user? i mean, some of the apps there are a lil "untouchy" May 19 08:02:04 mikki-kun, because hiding or restricting access to it would be entirely against the spirit of the project. May 19 08:02:35 but just a lil contradicting with hiding pr1.2 ;) May 19 08:02:46 my thinking at least May 19 08:02:55 Yes, it causes issues, but since everyone adds disclaimers to anything they say about -devel, and Nokia never says anything about it at all, and it's not added/enabled by default, Nokia doesn't take the fall if people are stupid. May 19 08:03:09 mikki-kun, I wish the update was developed in the Open too, but they are different issues. May 19 08:03:47 Nokia making an official release with a "yeah, we know there are bugs - deal with them", is a heck of a lot different than allowing users easy access to third-party unstable software. May 19 08:03:53 mikki-kun: there is no -devel available for everyday user May 19 08:04:07 Especially since the latter is merely a consequence of the system design, and not a purposeful action. May 19 08:04:21 DocScrutinizer51: i found the "how to add it" in less than 60 secs after powering up my browser May 19 08:04:25 you need to add the catalog by yourself May 19 08:04:37 so what?? May 19 08:04:40 anyhow, hold that though - I'll be right back after I restart the session and see how much I broke things ;) May 19 08:05:48 GAH WHY THE FUCK DOES THE /downloads/ PAGE RESET JEAOfgiwjhuiseh May 19 08:05:56 Ö.ö May 19 08:05:59 whats the point of being able to edit if its reset whenever the package importer is run May 19 08:06:24 jaem continues to be right May 19 08:06:42 mikki-kun: if you found the wiki page about extras-devel, then I assue you were able to readc the fat old warning there May 19 08:07:22 assume* and Bold May 19 08:07:31 which warning? :D somehow they always blank out in my brain ^^ May 19 08:07:47 so STFU May 19 08:08:11 naw, just kidding... i know that devel can make my sys a lil problematic but i take the risk for bleeding-edge stuff May 19 08:11:21 * Jaffa is dead. May 19 08:11:27 Completely and utterly wiped out. May 19 08:11:33 Oh, what happened? May 19 08:12:12 * tybollt_ hands frals a big cup of CHILL THE FUCK OUT :) May 19 08:12:41 well, if anyone ever woke up one morning and thought to themselves, "I wonder how well the Maemo Alpha theme would apply to Qt apps on a desktop machine?", fear not, for I have your answer! May 19 08:12:45 ~raise Jaffa May 19 08:12:46 * infobot raises Jaffa from the dead May 19 08:12:47 ..."Pretty badly" May 19 08:12:50 :) May 19 08:13:01 *sigh* Well, that was a waste of time. May 19 08:15:26 tybollt_: On day 9 of working week; working until 23:00 last night; and every night's been at least 20:00 the rest of the time. May 19 08:15:35 tybollt_: And then getting up for work at 06:00 the next day. May 19 08:16:00 Jaffa: I hear you... May 19 08:16:11 * tybollt_ been through those weeks May 19 08:16:34 spiced w/ on call callouts in the mid night May 19 08:16:43 we here call that 'workwalking' (not sure how that translates to English... as in from moonwalking) May 19 08:23:04 Morning, all May 19 08:36:13 hey all May 19 08:36:59 PR1.2 for Christmas 2010! May 19 08:37:04 * RST38h hides May 19 08:37:16 RST38h, you're very optimistic ;) May 19 08:37:38 Ok. PR1.2 for Christmas 2011! May 19 08:43:33 http://summel.de/wavemobile.png :) May 19 08:44:48 ja richtig - est intresiert NIEMAND May 19 08:44:55 ;-P May 19 08:45:50 :O May 19 08:46:59 my gprs connection doesn't list on my phone May 19 08:47:48 i can't click on anything in that url summel :( May 19 08:48:03 pupnik: its just a screenshot :o May 19 08:48:08 * pupnik laughs May 19 08:48:30 was someone making a google lattitude plugin for n900 btw? May 19 08:48:46 the latitude webapp works afaik May 19 08:48:51 havent tried it yet though May 19 08:49:08 http://xkcd.com/742/# lol May 19 08:49:46 where is gprs connection? May 19 08:49:51 setting May 19 08:50:27 summel: great alt text too ;) May 19 08:50:37 yes :D May 19 08:53:54 apn doesn't show in list of my connections .how can I ensure grps is active? May 19 08:56:07 * jhh123 new maemo user here ;p May 19 08:57:18 mintux, I'm presuming there's no APN setup for it, check under settings May 19 08:58:29 jhh123: new too! just got my phone today May 19 08:58:41 charging right now to flash it later on May 19 08:58:54 wutr: why flash it? oO May 19 08:59:06 firmware May 19 08:59:14 it comes preinstalled oO May 19 08:59:36 I know, but it's a second hand device from someone who kinda screwed it over May 19 08:59:43 ew May 19 09:00:08 but no worries, if I flash it + emmc it's brand new again ;) May 19 09:00:10 at least, I hope May 19 09:00:17 mmc? May 19 09:00:20 *emmc May 19 09:00:37 yes? May 19 09:00:44 whats emmc? May 19 09:00:57 learned that myself yesterday: embedded MMC May 19 09:01:11 it's where the device stores your data May 19 09:01:17 ah May 19 09:01:28 pretty much that big 32GB May 19 09:01:34 home directory etc. sits in there May 19 09:01:36 exactly May 19 09:01:46 wow I'm making myself useful :D May 19 09:02:50 allright, rebooting now for "unsigned driver support" @ 7 64bit May 19 09:03:07 oO May 19 09:12:38 wow, wutr was quick at messing around. May 19 09:15:24 aaaaahahaha this one made me lol: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=663866&postcount=15 May 19 09:18:44 This isn't a OC questions per-se so don't lynch me please ---> Anyone else notice the calibration tool to terminate abruptly after pressing first calibration point with the titan kernel? I can't think of anything else that has changed since i last ran it successfully. May 19 09:19:36 titan kernel does not work with calibration. May 19 09:19:41 Answer: Do not use Titan kernel May 19 09:19:49 Use the kernel your N900 has come with. May 19 09:20:28 yes, only way to calibrate is boot to stock kernel, calibrate, then if you want, go back to the titan kernel May 19 09:21:32 how long for flasher to wait before a "suitable usb device" is found on windows 7 64bit? May 19 09:21:57 (n900 is in flashing mode with the usb symbol showing) May 19 09:25:19 http://kuvaton.com/browse/14788/loan.jpg <<<< :) sfw May 19 09:25:52 pupnik, heee May 19 09:30:05 X-Fade: word on the street is you are working on something so maintainers can change package description through the packages interface, if you need a beta tester let me know ;) May 19 09:30:56 frals: That is in the works yes, needs some changes to the importer though. May 19 09:31:32 it would be good if users could see what has changed in a new version May 19 09:34:44 has anyone here flashed a N900 with win7, 64bit? May 19 09:38:08 hello! Can anybody help me with PannableArea and TextView? May 19 09:41:32 go ahead and ask your question plastun May 19 09:42:24 ok. When I trying to put TextView to PannableARea using add_with_viewport function, I just see top corner of TextView and no more May 19 09:42:59 I want create About dialog like System->About product dialog May 19 09:43:45 theres a requestSize or something similar on pannablearea May 19 09:44:00 if you set it to children_max or soemthing similar it should do the trick May 19 09:44:16 cant remember exact names, but it should be in api docs May 19 09:44:26 SIZE_REQUEST_MINIMUM The minimum size the widget could use to paint itself ? May 19 09:44:39 hildon.SizeRequestPolicy May 19 09:44:50 http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/python_hildon_manual/hildonobjects.html May 19 09:44:52 SIZE_REQUEST_CHILDREN May 19 09:44:58 ah May 19 09:45:10 ok, I'll try. thanks May 19 09:45:17 tis what i used at least :) May 19 09:48:12 haha! works!!! May 19 09:58:02 amigadave, Ping? May 19 09:58:12 dneary: pong May 19 09:58:31 Can I use any usb > microUSB cable to connect with my N900 btw? May 19 09:58:46 amigadave, Have a read of this: http://communitymgt.wikia.com/wiki/Help_Vampire May 19 09:59:10 dneary: i agree :) May 19 09:59:15 And this: http://slash7.com/2006/12/22/vampires/ May 19 09:59:28 * murrayc_ is tempted to ask what a help vampire is. May 19 09:59:33 We need to be teaching Pallavi to help himself :) May 19 09:59:57 murrayc_, A person who's first reaction on seeing any kind of error is to ask "why am I getting this?" on a mailing list May 19 09:59:58 i guess next time i will provide more links May 19 10:00:06 MOAR! May 19 10:00:09 ahem May 19 10:00:15 hmm a hilight May 19 10:00:18 dneary: I was joking. I am capable of clicking the links. May 19 10:00:31 murrayc_, Oh how droll. May 19 10:00:42 murrayc_, You should take up comedy. Everyone would go May 19 10:00:50 But only once, they'd all die laughing. May 19 10:00:58 Way to go, killing off your audience May 19 10:01:26 They would all chuckle knowingly and smugly. May 19 10:01:49 Then there would be some jazz. May 19 10:02:57 murrayc_, Nothing too accessible mind - you wouldn't want the dirty masses coming in May 19 10:09:40 good news for PR1.2 "waiters" https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9150#c27 May 19 10:09:41 ;) May 19 10:09:41 Bug 9150: Device doesn't respond via UI. syslog reports HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered, sgx_misr eating all CPU May 19 10:10:33 but that might be just another "it really should come now", which we have heard about for a good while now May 19 10:10:45 boah, goddamit, i freaking hate the file-explorer which comes with the n900 -.- *waiting for the nautilus-port* May 19 10:11:17 Wolfie, yeah but this is a fresh "it really should come now" May 19 10:11:19 ;) May 19 10:11:40 <`0660> "It should really come soon now (within weeks, not month(s)), it's been May 19 10:11:41 <`0660> post-poned too much already. May 19 10:11:43 <`0660> " May 19 10:12:09 this subtly suggest 2-3 weeks May 19 10:12:13 *suggests May 19 10:12:27 <`0660> i though that has been the estimate for a couple of months now :) May 19 10:12:41 2 weeks is the PR1.2 pandora clock offset May 19 10:12:54 yeah, but *this* time it's true May 19 10:12:55 "we have sent PR1.2 code in a binary stream to the past. Please be at the execution of some random guy around year 33 to receive it" May 19 10:12:58 ;) May 19 10:13:37 if it's not released before mid of june, then it will have to wait until august anyway as entirety of finland is on vacation after midsummer :) May 19 10:13:51 <`0660> good point May 19 10:14:06 yeah, well, I got a handful of "just around the corner"s from Nokia people yesterday on the NMDF May 19 10:14:57 * achipa wonders if he should have asked for that particular corner to be shown to him May 19 10:21:07 NMDF? May 19 10:24:22 USB F-F adapter arrived \o/ May 19 10:24:33 ayanes: it's “around the corner” by “really informed people” since way too much time to give any more credit May 19 10:24:51 it'll be released when it's released, no time indication is trustable now May 19 10:25:15 ? May 19 10:25:52 Corsac what are you talking about ? May 19 10:26:12 ayanes: I just mis-tabbed achipa :) May 19 10:26:20 Oki ;) May 19 10:29:26 Corsac: that what I was referring to in my second 'wondering' line, I might have been too subtle :) May 19 10:30:21 yeah, well, I just didn't read it :) May 19 10:30:57 Corsac: on a side note Nokia already broke their own global roadmap timeline with it, so... May 19 10:34:01 MohammadAG: f-f. Hawt. May 19 10:34:12 (if you enable PSUs on both sides) May 19 10:35:43 I really don't care. But the karma #1 is amusing right now: http://maemo.org/profile/list/ May 19 10:36:02 Due to thousands of ltt thanks. May 19 10:36:26 Probably automated. May 19 10:38:16 Thanked 1,936 Times in 1,161 Posts ? May 19 10:38:18 what is that May 19 10:38:31 hell, I have more than that :) May 19 10:38:36 umm May 19 10:38:46 Isn't there a sqrt() in there somewhere? May 19 10:39:25 That looks more like a bug May 19 10:39:29 murrayc_, do you know why? May 19 10:39:44 if not, explanation here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=661033#post661033 May 19 10:41:53 Oh, I thought it was him thanking other people. YOu mean he's _been_ thanked that many times? Wow May 19 10:42:05 I guess there was a glitch in the calculation, as ot is ok now. May 19 10:42:09 *it May 19 10:42:28 oh yeah May 19 10:43:18 500000 or so did seem unlikely. May 19 10:43:28 X-Fade, you mean the could of extra thanks rolled round the longint back into positive values ;) May 19 10:43:35 the couple May 19 10:43:43 Unthanked to <0? May 19 10:49:05 murrayc_, yeah that looks like the bug, somehow the thanks calculation was thrown off May 19 10:49:30 its the only real time you see 4,294 million ;) May 19 10:55:06 umm, suggestion for tmo May 19 10:55:24 yes? May 19 10:57:42 chinese forum :p May 19 11:02:54 Mohammad: I have a better suggestion May 19 11:03:19 Mohammad: Let us autotranslate every "N900 sucks" thread into Chinese, then delete English original May 19 11:04:30 RST38h: silly - lots of people know chinese these days... go for Thai... noone outside Thailand understands/speaks/writes thai ;P May 19 11:05:13 tybollt: Judging from some "N900 sucks" posts, I have doubts the posters even know English May 19 11:05:27 (and no, I do not mean ESL people) May 19 11:06:51 RST38h: :-D May 19 11:15:53 heh, i just took my n900 of a serial jig and the yellow led is still on (usb cable connected) May 19 11:16:25 Stskeeps: do you happen to have the pinout of this? Does it have all of the gold pads connected? May 19 11:16:47 nfi, it's a box May 19 11:17:42 I mean - how many probes does it have that stick onto the board May 19 11:19:19 pupnik: okay that answered my question about calibration pretty well - anyone know _why_ it doesn't work though? May 19 11:19:26 Out of morbid curiosity May 19 11:20:06 it is in some t.m.o thread - i am guessing the kernel module for screen calibration isnt opensourced May 19 11:20:41 entire kernel plus modules is oss May 19 11:23:30 oss? May 19 11:23:35 Plus, theres no kernel module that participates in the calibration. Theres the touchscreen driver, but calibration isn't in it - its in userspace May 19 11:23:46 viliny__, open source software May 19 11:23:56 Termana: thanks, thought that but got 1 s to maany May 19 11:26:09 hmm, so wonder what the problem is again May 19 11:34:26 is titan's 32 kernel considered stable? May 19 11:40:19 Arkenoi: I removed his kernels yesterday May 19 11:40:54 as one of latest ones killed sound May 19 11:41:25 27 was rock solid May 19 11:42:44 I would rather go for own kernels instead May 19 11:43:28 the 28 non-bme one killed my N900 May 19 11:43:34 .. non-bme? May 19 11:43:34 had to reflash the stock kernel May 19 11:45:50 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=659716&postcount=868 May 19 11:45:56 bad wording May 19 11:52:58 is there any way to unpack a zImage May 19 11:53:52 unpack in what sense? May 19 11:54:13 are you sure you don't mean "unpack initrd.img"? May 19 11:55:18 MohammadAG: run the uncompression code in the start of it ;p May 19 11:56:16 mgedmin, no, as in decompile it May 19 11:56:21 Stskeeps, lolwut May 19 11:57:01 wikipedia: Traditionally, when creating a bootable kernel image, the kernel is also compressed using the zlib algorithm, or since Linux 2.6.30[1], using LZMA or BZIP2, which requires a very small decompression stub to be included in the resulting image. The stub decompresses the kernel code, on some systems printing dots to the console to indicate progress, and then continues the boot process. May 19 12:00:36 Just got a new dataplan. Ack, 3g surfing is eating my battery alive May 19 12:02:16 in qt, if i've got a top-level QScrollArea that contains a somewhat complex layout and then a QTextBrowser inside of it, what is the correct way to make the text browser report its document's full size to the layout? May 19 12:02:30 What are the prerequisites for getting video out on. I plugged in the composite out cable, and ... ? May 19 12:03:08 SpeedEvil, it should just work May 19 12:03:25 hmm - maybe it requires a load - I was trying to hook up a scope May 19 12:04:07 SpeedEvil: ? just w/ the normal cable, nothing fancy like over usb? May 19 12:04:16 SpeedEvil: then just _plug it in_ May 19 12:04:23 what I did May 19 12:04:30 wfm May 19 12:04:36 \o_ May 19 12:04:40 yeah - I did that - no video out on any pins May 19 12:04:47 huh? May 19 12:04:56 on any connector May 19 12:05:12 I need to find my SCART->phono adaptor - it's been a while May 19 12:05:24 hrrm May 19 12:05:53 that sounds awfully much like either of cable or plug is KAPUT May 19 12:05:58 sorry :-/ May 19 12:16:01 I have media mount in /media but in file manager I don't have access to it . what should I do ? May 19 12:16:40 add yourself to correct group? May 19 12:17:56 I should do that with command line ? May 19 12:18:01 no I do nothing May 19 12:19:31 doesn't file manager only look in MyDocs? May 19 12:19:43 MyDocs and /media/mmc1 May 19 12:21:18 MohammadAG: yes I have both of them but in file manger just a icon nokia n900 and the contents of it /home/user/MyDocs May 19 12:21:20 mintux, what kind of media is it ? MMC card ? so /media/mmc1 is the mount point ? May 19 12:21:33 So, is there no way of having a scrollable widget on the desktop? May 19 12:21:38 just /media/mmc1 May 19 12:22:09 I don't understand that design decision at all. horizontal sliding changes desktops, why not allow vertical scrolling... May 19 12:22:22 that show a icon when open filemanger called nokia n900 and the contents of that is /home/user/MyDocs May 19 12:22:29 odin_: ^ May 19 12:22:41 morning May 19 12:22:42 Shapeshifter, you can vertically slide within your widget, but not the desktops May 19 12:23:05 some python ppl here ? May 19 12:24:14 mintux, I have 2 icons "Nokia N900" which is /home/user/MyDocs and "Memory card" which is /media/mmc1 May 19 12:24:27 I don't have memory card May 19 12:24:29 there May 19 12:24:39 well there you go then! May 19 12:25:06 odin_: it is possible? oh :O May 19 12:25:06 what shall I do? May 19 12:25:16 odin_: any widgets that use this? May 19 12:25:45 Shapeshifter, the RSS viewer has buttons to scroll page up and down, Ive not seen anything with "scroll bars" which is what I think you mean, but I cant see why you cant have them May 19 12:26:23 mintux, how did you mount your memory card, maybe if you start at the beggining and explain how you "customized your own N900 to mount a media not at the default location /media/mmc1" May 19 12:26:27 odin_: nah I mean a vertical kinetic scrolling May 19 12:27:01 Shapeshifter, kinetic scrolling only works for full page stuff, it is not something that works for a sub-window or sub-part of a page May 19 12:27:16 odin_: it mounted . I didn't nothing for mount . I have access with shell May 19 12:27:24 Shapeshifter, i.e. it only works like that since it would be bad design otherwise! May 19 12:27:41 /g w00t May 19 12:27:42 odin_: what do you mean by that? all the dialogs have it. any scrollable area has it, except the pdf viewer basically May 19 12:27:43 er May 19 12:27:59 mintux, so where is the mount point ? and did it mount it with the options "uid=29999" so the default user owns all the files May 19 12:28:06 /smack Stskeeps May 19 12:28:11 w8 check it May 19 12:28:15 /molest w00t_ May 19 12:28:38 Shapeshifter, what dialogs ? oh you mean the _FULL_PAGE_ modal dialogs yeah sure they do, but remember the full page part of my info above May 19 12:29:06 odin_: and why would it be a bad design? May 19 12:29:08 mintux, you can type "mount -v" to see options or "cat /proc/mounts" May 19 12:29:28 thopiekar, you around? May 19 12:29:53 Shapeshifter, well who wants part of the screen to be "kinnnetically scrolling" and how do I change focus as to what kinnetically scrolls, when I want another part/window to scroll instead, there is just no UI precedent for it May 19 12:30:35 Shapeshifter, which is why I say its a facet of gesture driven UI for full-screen UI compomenets, be it a browser or a full-page modal dialog or a full page something else May 19 12:31:03 odin_: mh? do you know the mpc client for example? mmpc May 19 12:31:20 Shapeshifter, no I don't think I do May 19 12:31:39 odin_: scroll buttons are a sane precedent May 19 12:31:51 odin_: it's output of cat /proc... http://codepad.org/tW0LG5EX also I didn't see any device mount in /media/mcc1 in fstab May 19 12:32:01 odin_: up/down on the keyboard wil scroll the currently selected window element in most cases. May 19 12:32:12 Shapeshifter, Im sure its "progrmatically possible" but does it work well within the context of use ? you are claiming that you want kinetic scrolling for one widgets on the main desktop, I'm not sure I agree thats a good idea, but happy to have a try if someone implements it May 19 12:32:34 odin_: mh. well, anyway, why shouldn't any scrollable area have kinetic scrolling? as in, imagine some buttons on the left, and a list widget on the right. why shouldn't it be possible to scroll the list widget? May 19 12:32:36 The desktop is also conceptually different to other things. May 19 12:33:32 odin_: well imo it would make perfect sense. just imagine the rss widget not have these buttons but instead a scrollable area. up/down gesture inside the widget scrolls it, left/right widget inside or outside the widget changes desktops. May 19 12:33:37 Shapeshifter, because its the desktop/home screen and it already has a superceeding kinetic action, the switch desktop function, if your widget hijacks it, how does the user flips nicely between the two (intuitively?) May 19 12:33:51 odin_: up/down, left/right May 19 12:34:09 mintux, your /media/mmc1 is not mounted, so there is your problem, what filesystem is the card? is it formatted? May 19 12:34:15 odin_: up/down isn't needed on the desktop at all as the desktops are ligned up horizontally May 19 12:34:21 Shapeshifter, up/down/left/right what ? huh... left/right is taken May 19 12:34:23 so why not use it for widget interaction May 19 12:34:29 odin_:no I didn't touch it May 19 12:34:48 odin_: left/right finger swiping. yes. it's taken to change desktops. but up/down swiping is wasted. May 19 12:35:00 Shapeshifter, what happens when my home screen has 3 of these widgets on it, how do I flip focus and then unfocus to get desktop focus to flip desktops, these are all UI issues May 19 12:35:00 odin_: how can I find out system file of that ? May 19 12:35:16 odin_: widgets scroll vertically only May 19 12:35:26 mintux, have you rebooted the phone to see if it comes back ? can you manually mount it ? "mount /media/mmc1" May 19 12:35:44 odin_: Or you have to pick an area of the desktop without a widget - like you do already in some menus to scroll tehm May 19 12:35:51 mintux: You do have the back cover on? May 19 12:36:03 odin_: you don't need to "switch" focus at all. if you swipe vertically, the desktop ignores this (i.e. the event gets passed down to the widget), if you swipe horizontally, the event gets consumed by the desktop for changing desktops. May 19 12:36:08 mintux, you do have an extra MMC card installed yet ? you opened the back, too the battery out and installed a supplemental MMC card right ? what size? May 19 12:36:42 odin_: I mean, just go to your n900 desktop right now, and swipe the finger up and down. what happens? Nothing. - well, it wobbles a bit to the left and right maybe but you see that this gesture is wasted. May 19 12:37:22 odin_: no I didn't input any card. im talking about 32 GB May 19 12:37:22 I have access with terminal in /media/mmc1 May 19 12:37:22 and I can create file on it May 19 12:37:50 Shapeshifter, I still fail to see how it can be used well with a widget, sure I can understand having 9 desktops with more on up/down (if the user wants that) but not having it relate to something else, as in left/right = desktop, up/down = widget (this is not intuative, if you ask me) May 19 12:38:04 no it said premssion denied when I want to mkdir on it May 19 12:38:11 but with shell only May 19 12:38:15 I can write on it May 19 12:38:15 why isn't it intuitive? May 19 12:38:28 mintux, LOLs! the EMMC the 32Gb is /home/user/MyDocs and that is the icon "Nokia N900" May 19 12:38:34 If I had an RSS reader, I'd want to scroll up and down to see additional items May 19 12:38:50 odin_: why on earth?? if you have an android mobile at hand, try the rss widget. same thing there. left/right changes desktops, up/down scrolls inside the rss widget. it's so obvious May 19 12:39:31 so why I can't see the contents of /media/mcc1 in filemanager? May 19 12:39:33 If anything, the up/down at the bottom are nonintuitive May 19 12:39:34 mintux, your /proc/mount already has it mounted, type "df" to see the storage space and mount points (from shell), around 28Gb is /home/user/MyDocs since /home and swapspace also exist out of the 32Gb May 19 12:39:39 up/down are next to each other. May 19 12:39:48 odin_: totally intuitive if you ask me. and what about the 9 desktops? How is this related? I'm not talking about stacking desktops vertically (as in having a 3x3 desktop or something) but vertical scrolling *inside* widgets on the desktop. May 19 12:39:54 mmc1 is the added card. May 19 12:40:19 mintux, because you don't have a /media/mmc1 (in order to have one of those, you need to buy and additionao MMC card and take the battery out and install it in the free/empty slot) for example my N900 has 32Gb+16Gb+256Mb of total storage May 19 12:40:20 mintux, you are using /media/mmc1 and you don't have a physical card inserted into the phone? May 19 12:40:25 hmm May 19 12:40:38 mmc0, maybe? May 19 12:40:55 viliny__: no just 32gb itself May 19 12:41:06 odin_: the mmc slot isn't behind the battery May 19 12:41:11 no the EMMC the 32Gb you get by default is /dev/mmcblkXpX check "df" and "df -h" (if you want pretty numbers) May 19 12:41:17 dneary, ping? May 19 12:41:27 It's inside the back, but you don't have to turn off to get access May 19 12:41:37 mintux: as far i understand it the /media/mmc1 is just a folder - when you mount a memory card then that becomes it's entry point May 19 12:41:47 at other times i guess it's just the internal memory... May 19 12:41:55 viliny__: so why it doesn't show in file manager? May 19 12:42:00 that's silly May 19 12:42:02 MyDocs May 19 12:42:06 ManoftheSea, maybe you right its been 6 months since I installed mine and might be confused with E72 May 19 12:42:15 the SIM is behind the batt May 19 12:42:26 File Manager doesn't access at / May 19 12:42:28 mintux, are you asking why a card that you didn't not insert into the phone doesn't show up in the file manager? May 19 12:42:33 it accesses at MyDocs May 19 12:42:36 GAN900, Pong May 19 12:42:38 didn't/did not May 19 12:42:43 which is /home/user/MyDocs May 19 12:42:45 viliny__, yes, that appears to be what he is asking, lols! May 19 12:42:47 GAN900, What can I do you for? May 19 12:42:56 I just video clips or documents that is /home/user/MyDocs/.documents May 19 12:43:20 mintux: where are you from? May 19 12:43:29 along the same lines, can someone tell me why PR1.3 features are not working on my N900? please help me !! no wait.... May 19 12:43:36 ~seen t-tan May 19 12:43:38 mintux is cool and doesn't afraid of anything May 19 12:43:38 t-tan <~tanner@e176238235.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19h 7m ago, saying: 'has anybody already tried this http://metalab.at/wiki/Hack-A-N900/Dump_and_Restore_rootfs_Image ?'. May 19 12:44:08 odin_: still have problems with 1.3? May 19 12:44:27 I can't understand MyDocs is 32 Gb but when I put some file's on it I can see it in file manager May 19 12:44:52 Any clues what happened to qt4-maemo5-homescreen-example from -devel? May 19 12:44:55 MyDocs isn't 32G May 19 12:44:56 it's gone. May 19 12:45:06 mintux: you can see what in file manager exactly? May 19 12:45:11 /home is ~28Gigs May 19 12:45:13 mintux, the folder /home/user/MyDocs/.documents is where the USB Mass Storage mounts isn't it ? May 19 12:45:18 and MyDocs is under it. May 19 12:45:26 mintux: why are you messing around with stuff like that without understand the basics? May 19 12:45:47 goddamnit, UNDERSTANDING - my spelling is atrocious today May 19 12:46:15 well strictly speaking /home is an EXT3 filesystem of around 2Gb, and /home/user/MyDocs is a 28.25Gb file system which is VFAT the remaining 768Mb is swap May 19 12:46:24 odin_: viliny__: every thing is in filemanger are . in /home/user/Mydocs May 19 12:46:27 this makes 32Gb as in 32GB not 32GiB May 19 12:46:39 but when I get ls from /media/mcc1 nothing there May 19 12:46:49 odin_: oh. Good to know in a pedantic sense May 19 12:47:00 mintux: that's because there is NOTHING THERE May 19 12:47:08 you said you haven't put in a mmc1 May 19 12:47:18 mintux, go to a shop and buy a 16Gb MMC card, then insert it inside the back covert, then try to use /media/mmc1 May 19 12:47:19 mintux: /media/mcc1 is the mounting point for the memory card - you don't have a card hence it is in fact EMPTY May 19 12:47:38 hold on, someone help me a sec. is it mmc1 or mcc1? May 19 12:48:01 dont do accidentally filling up /media/mmc1 since you will fill your root-fs and then you will be in trouble May 19 12:48:43 maybe linux should put a quota in place on that one! May 19 12:48:49 oh heh, it uses rootfs... yeah don't fill that May 19 12:49:32 thanks for the details of the filesystem structure odin_ , that made some stuff clearer to me May 19 12:49:57 well, that's just normal linux, right? May 19 12:50:10 It's a folder on the mount until something else mounts over it. May 19 12:50:18 mintux: so basicly, mydocs IS NOT /media/mmc1 May 19 12:50:25 and if you're trolling then bravo May 19 12:50:53 yeah, I had that thought too. May 19 12:50:55 umm, how do I use USB networking? May 19 12:51:26 GAN900, Ping? May 19 12:51:32 ManoftheSea, its /media/mmc1 which is device file /dev/mmcblk1p1 May 19 12:51:34 Not sure you've been getting my /msges May 19 12:51:40 but when I get ls from /media/mcc1 nothing there May 19 12:51:44 nvm May 19 12:52:08 odin_: ok. We've been playing a little loose with the misspellings, and I wanted to confirm. May 19 12:52:12 Thanks. May 19 12:52:27 MohammadAG, USB networking ? as in hook it upto a PC to be able to use the PC hosts internet ? May 19 12:52:45 To be able to make IP connections on a network of two May 19 12:52:52 doesn't the whole Nokia PC Suite use PPP over USB ? then IP over that ? May 19 12:53:09 I thought it was PC Suite too May 19 12:53:30 odin_, no, SSH over USB May 19 12:54:31 MohammadAG, SSH ? one stream or multiple (as in port forwarding/tunnelling) ? also why does USB need "security" ? May 19 12:54:34 can the phone piggyback on host connection via usb? May 19 12:54:42 I can't git clone on my n900. It doesn't download anything, here's the output: http://pastie.org/967514 The error is "git: 'index-pack' is not a git-command. See 'git --help'." Any clues? May 19 12:54:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking May 19 12:54:50 ssh over usb? May 19 12:54:59 That's ssh over ip over ppp over usb May 19 12:55:54 why ppp? May 19 12:55:56 ok so there is still the PPP so any IP based services can be setup to work May 19 12:56:04 to multiplex I guess May 19 12:56:21 PPP is a good basis to achieve that May 19 12:56:28 t May 19 12:56:33 thanks a bunch MohammadAG May 19 12:56:44 well, ppp is used for 3g connectivity, I suppose May 19 12:56:52 but pure USB networking between host and N900 doesn't use it May 19 12:57:09 yes a single device can have multiple PPP links up, one over USB, one over 3G, one for IPSEC, etc... May 19 12:57:24 alright, I thought it was PPP. May 19 12:57:27 LOL May 19 12:57:31 Don't base anything on me, then. May 19 12:57:35 viliny__, I pasted that for odin_ May 19 12:57:42 np anyways :P May 19 12:58:20 MohammadAG: and thanks regardless :) May 19 12:58:42 which reminds me, now that MMS is stable to re look at the issues with multiple PPPs being up, at the moment the WLAN link has to come down when the 3G is up, this is uneccessary! May 19 12:59:03 odin_: tell it to nokia May 19 12:59:33 odin_: they will reply: will be fixed in harmattan and you will have same situation as you have May 19 12:59:42 and very undesirable for doing MMS, Linux fully supports "IP policy routing" which allows the MMS channel to have a lower priority routing and private network independently of the main default route for IP May 19 12:59:43 same situation? May 19 13:00:10 ManoftheSea: yes - software will be same May 19 13:00:22 however when it comes to WLAN + 3G at the same time, the user has to pick which is their default route, I think a global option should do the trick May 19 13:00:51 default route? May 19 13:00:57 linux supports 2 default routes or 3 (WLAN/3G/USB) May 19 13:01:28 yes the default route is the network interface regarded by the system as being its link to the internet May 19 13:01:30 oh. I guess... why would you not want to use the WLAN as the default, assuming you've already chosen to connect ot it. May 19 13:01:53 maybe WLAN doesn't have internet connectivity, but does have a printer ? May 19 13:02:12 hmm, yes, I begin to see the complexity May 19 13:02:13 or file server or business application service May 19 13:02:31 or internal network May 19 13:02:41 But similarly, if you have a VPN over your WLAN, the WLAN doesn't have inet but VPN does... May 19 13:02:55 it is not acctuallty "a complex problem" nor is the solution "complex" May 19 13:02:57 then your default route has to be over the tunnel May 19 13:03:18 not terribly complex. But you're not going to try to explain to your grandma, are you? May 19 13:03:28 viliny__, if you get it to work do you mind helping out? :) May 19 13:03:33 just a couple of new global user settings and a patch to the internet daemon service and the necessary infrastrcture changes ( to the routing setup/teardown scripting) May 19 13:03:37 I can't seem to be able to ssh May 19 13:03:40 and ifup fails May 19 13:03:56 yes I can make it simple and that is the key May 19 13:04:28 MohammadAG: i don't think i'm going to tackle this right now - at work at the moment :) May 19 13:04:38 make MMC and standard (non-routable) PC Suite have lower priority route (so they always work independalty of anything else) May 19 13:04:39 oh ok :) May 19 13:05:16 then you are left with 3 choices of default route selection: WLAN/3G/PC-Suite(USB) you just set a priority order as to which you want May 19 13:05:38 hmm. I see it, that seems reasonable. May 19 13:05:42 then you make everything work independently of everything else around all that, as I say the only contention is the "default route" selection May 19 13:05:54 Then if you do the VPN, you rely on the VPN scripts. May 19 13:06:28 opps.. I said "MMC" I meant "MMS" because MMS and WAP over GPRS/3G is a special case of a "walled garden" which usually doesn't have or need a default route to work May 19 13:07:40 well VPN is another matter altogether, bus you just make them select whichever default route exists and it setup in global preferences, make sure they also don't interfere with the "system" networking (except though defined interfaces/methods) May 19 13:07:47 morn javispedro May 19 13:07:53 morning May 19 13:07:56 is it possible to show html-content in hildon.TextView widget? May 19 13:08:15 yeah, I don't see a reason you'd want to VPN default routes. May 19 13:08:22 Usually, you VPN in, rather than out. May 19 13:08:41 well I am happy that kernel 20100903 is building how long did they fix that fraico-gen dependancy ? May 19 13:08:57 fiascooooooo May 19 13:09:04 and you could build the kernel fine previously, May 19 13:09:06 unless you wlan to corp internal network which has router with vpn server and out-of-corp link is only for vpn users May 19 13:09:17 only you couldn't create the on-device flashing package May 19 13:09:35 yeah with work arounds / kludges but it was one of them things, "Hey Nokia, do your job!" May 19 13:09:55 ManoftheSea: what do you think about such combo? May 19 13:09:55 call me stupid... but how can I reset the missed calls counter? May 19 13:10:20 Stskeeps: btw, how do you think mbxdaemon gets access to dispc registers? it only mmaps stuff from /dev/mbxaccess May 19 13:10:57 ManoftheSea, I would think for a mobile device you are the Road Warrior end, connecting back to base, so you definitely need a working default route (but VPN software should be calling on other services like internet-connection-daemon to provide it) May 19 13:11:12 (also, I couldn't break into Flip :( mbxdaemon doesn't like being interrupted) May 19 13:11:45 I missed some of that. May 19 13:12:20 javispedro: mmapping them in, it says pretty directly in the functions it has May 19 13:12:23 hrw-laptop: yeah, I could imagine a case for VPN to get out. But you probably aren't on 3G at the same time, and can add the default route as part of the VPN scripts May 19 13:12:29 there's on called "mmapfbregs" May 19 13:12:31 or something May 19 13:12:56 odin_: then the default route is on your first connection, not over the VPN. You don't need to adjust the default route May 19 13:13:50 assumption is the mother of all fuck ups May 19 13:14:09 javispedro: at this point i'm pondering if we should just disassemble the libs, modify flip, reassemble May 19 13:14:13 :P May 19 13:14:27 ManoftheSea, huh? a VPN does not usually provide the default route (I really don't get why WinXP by default has an option "Use default route on remote gateway" when the majority of users don't want that!) May 19 13:14:29 sure. It's nice to not break the border cases. May 19 13:14:56 Stskeeps: I personally think that we'd be better by replacing them. That lib is doing way too much stuff, as fanoush said, we shouldn't even be touching dispc registers at all. we want a pure memory solution. May 19 13:14:59 odin_: I agree. May 19 13:15:08 Stskeeps: maybe even girish could give us a pure binary memory-only solution? May 19 13:15:15 ManoftheSea, a VPN usually provides a point-to-point or sub-net route over an existing network (usually that network is the Internet and therefore requires a "default route" to work) May 19 13:15:23 javispedro: i wonder if we can actually replace it with ease.. May 19 13:15:59 Stskeeps: well you've at least enlightened me with the fact that it's similar in structure to the kernel omaplcd May 19 13:16:20 it looks like the non-ripped out parts, yes May 19 13:16:23 and the ripped out parts May 19 13:17:23 f. May 19 13:17:52 odin_: depends on the implementation May 19 13:17:57 *hmpf. May 19 13:18:40 odin_: Juniper's implementation just needs an initial tunnel, which gives you a virtual network adapter to the endpoint network (typically a 192.168/24 network) and you can change the default routes onces it's up May 19 13:18:51 * javispedro ponders if mbxaccess ' mmap allows mmaping of any memory area May 19 13:18:58 s/onces/once/ May 19 13:18:58 crashanddie meant: odin_: Juniper's implementation just needs an initial tunnel, which gives you a virtual network adapter to the endpoint network (typically a 192.168/24 network) and you can change the default routes once it's up May 19 13:19:01 crashanddie: but when would you want to do that? May 19 13:19:18 hmm... how do you get routing to the "initial tunnel" if that is on another network ? May 19 13:19:26 javispedro: knowing imtec, it would not surprise me. May 19 13:19:29 if you're on the inside of the network, generally you don't VPN out. May 19 13:19:31 ManoftheSea: when you want to route all of your data to that VPN May 19 13:19:43 javispedro, o/ May 19 13:19:47 all VPNs work that way, they just require the IP address of the other endpoint, factors such an method, encryption type, authentication are all optional May 19 13:20:10 morning MohammadAG May 19 13:20:36 but you must have a default route (for the majority of cases where road warriors use the Internet to get to the VPN endpoint, the mother-ship) May 19 13:21:47 crashanddie: I'm not understanding the use case where all the data needs to go that way. May 19 13:21:49 very few folks hook upto a private/limited network (that has a single or handful) of accessible subnets on it, witht he VPN endpoint being within that, who then require a default route our of that environment (provided by the VPN) to use the internet May 19 13:21:51 Sure, it's possible. May 19 13:22:04 But as a 90% solution, just don't break the edge cases. May 19 13:22:07 ManoftheSea: say I'm on a big network, my ip address on that network is 10.0.0.x, but the routing table also allows to find 192.168.x. I VPN to my company which gives me a 192.168.144.x address, and my company's network is all on the 192.168.x range. If I don't change the default route, most of my request to internal networks (over the VPN), will go to the local network I'm connected to. I thus need to switch the default route May 19 13:22:35 crashanddie: if the table allows you to go from one non-routable to another... isn't that already wrong? May 19 13:23:40 eh? May 19 13:23:44 no, not at all May 19 13:24:05 not routable just means not publicly routable, how you do it behind your switches is your problem May 19 13:24:14 ok. May 19 13:24:33 but you don't want to change the default route, in your case. May 19 13:24:40 You want to create a route for 192.168.x May 19 13:24:59 no, I need to change the default route May 19 13:25:15 why the default? May 19 13:25:27 because I didn't want any of my traffic to go to the local network May 19 13:26:34 anyway, gotta run to the bank May 19 13:26:35 later May 19 13:26:37 hmmm May 19 13:26:44 ...bye? May 19 13:27:05 Ok, I guess if you're on a hostile network, and you want to go to your home net to protect your traffic... May 19 13:27:10 That sorta makes sense. May 19 13:28:10 and/or which sip header does asterisk check for callerid? May 19 13:32:00 Stskeeps, what is the state of play with bootloading ? i.e. kexec, still broken ? May 19 13:32:31 meego-dev has my latest status on that May 19 13:35:18 found a May 17 post, when youi talk of "meego" are you using some kind of meego base platform ? or is it still maemo ? May 19 13:35:53 Meego is the Nokia/Intel combined linux May 19 13:36:03 which isn't out yet on the N900 May 19 13:36:13 I want to keep eMMC as-is (maemo) but can do anything with 16Gb MMC (like put meego root on it) May 19 13:36:20 The N900 is currently Maemo and *might* have a version of meego as far as I know May 19 13:36:56 RurouniJones, yes thanks for that but not what Im asking, I'm interested to know what those working towards "meego" are currently using as environment May 19 13:36:59 pupnik: wow, impressive plot. May 19 13:37:12 odin_: may 17 is most recent status May 19 13:37:20 odin_: the MMC problem may be because of a bad sd card though May 19 13:37:44 odin_: You mean what meego is based off of/ May 19 13:37:46 * javispedro wonders why the weird interaction with cycles May 19 13:37:46 ? May 19 13:37:55 Stskeeps, so if I member correctly you have an N900 ? (just one or mode?) but no ARM prototype board (as too poor / no funding) May 19 13:38:07 heh fast u are, javispedro May 19 13:38:23 nothing weird - need explanation? May 19 13:38:33 doom is not very CPU exigent? May 19 13:38:43 exigent? May 19 13:38:52 odin_: i have a N900, a zoom2 and a bunch of arm systems May 19 13:38:58 (rephrase) doom does not really that much CPU? May 19 13:39:02 *need. May 19 13:39:19 Man, I'd have said intensive. May 19 13:39:25 On the other hand, I learned a word today May 19 13:39:40 not that I can pronounce it, so I'll look silly in conversation. May 19 13:39:57 there is a mix of fixed-time stuff that needs to be done, and variable-time stuff that needs to be done, per-frame May 19 13:40:08 that yields such a graph - i forgot my maths to explain May 19 13:40:09 odin_: you're welcome to show up at the meego-n900 meeting tomorrow and ask some questions, or hang out in #meego-arm May 19 13:40:17 you know realtiks and doom right May 19 13:40:18 woo! May 19 13:40:49 anyway now i have the batch file to compare performance between various gcc flags - javispedro when i use your debian/rules, it compiles for arm1136j - i don't think that's what we want May 19 13:40:57 higher frame rate gives faster movement speed, right? May 19 13:41:02 s/mode/more/ so those working on a meego (or with kernel and rootfs changes) are doing that how ? I have N900 but am itching to get a prototype board (there was a better one than beagle I found somewhere for ok money), my N900 is not my primary phone so can reflashable (but not brickable!) May 19 13:41:06 pupnik: yes but I was expecting a certain number of cycles upon which reducing cycles it goes progressively slower May 19 13:41:11 maybe that magic number is << 1000 May 19 13:41:22 odin_: beagle is about as close you get, or a zoom2 May 19 13:41:33 oh realtiks = frame time -- that is getting faster as the graph gets lower May 19 13:41:41 maybe i should invert it (1/realtiks) May 19 13:41:42 odin_: i work on meego with my n900 and to some extent, my n810 May 19 13:42:00 a May 19 13:42:16 (i have xfce4 and meego runing on it) May 19 13:42:41 N900 is my first device, since until they put at GSM module in it, it was never a device I wanted (waited ~4 years for them to "get it") May 19 13:42:48 Stskeeps: o_O 810 May 19 13:42:48 ? May 19 13:42:57 pupnik: it should build to armv7-a+neon if you build it under fremantle sbox with "vfp" not in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS May 19 13:43:04 odin_++ May 19 13:43:05 tybollt_: yes, i am not kidding with the n8x0 hardware adaptation thread May 19 13:43:07 a bit weird but this is true in the autobuilder May 19 13:43:16 Stskeeps: not read it, url? May 19 13:43:38 pupnik: I'd be more interesting in getting the ARM "full" (not Thumb) JIT cpu working May 19 13:43:55 pupnik: as Thumb seems to be deadly slow on the N900 seems May 19 13:44:06 ah ok May 19 13:44:12 *interested. May 19 13:44:17 javispedro: thumb is not recommended on n900 May 19 13:44:23 ie, it should be disabled May 19 13:44:26 yes, that's what I heard :) May 19 13:44:28 I just hope Nokia get the next phase which is not so much "meego" but more, lets have 3 handsets based on whatever, a budget one, a mono-block one and a flagship one May 19 13:44:35 tybollt_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48929 May 19 13:44:47 Stskeeps: Molto grazie May 19 13:44:50 well i want one such graph for different build options and cpu speeds May 19 13:44:59 hm May 19 13:44:59 but time... is up for 2day\ May 19 13:45:02 0.74 released! May 19 13:45:11 I wonder if they improved the arm jit.. May 19 13:45:19 doesn't seem to be as per changelog... May 19 13:46:45 if you want, i will run these tests with other build cflags or cpu speeds - at least a handful May 19 13:46:53 tybollt_: that said, we have to wait for 1.0 to really start the work May 19 13:47:04 mono-block? May 19 13:47:14 just PM me whatever line you want, i overrode RULES cflags on that May 19 13:47:18 as like Blackberry/E6x/E7x/E72 style May 19 13:47:35 pupnik: i've never get any tangible performance increase from most gcc cflags I've ever seen... May 19 13:47:38 a bar phone? May 19 13:48:04 maybe -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions helps with code size.. May 19 13:48:46 Stskeeps: why is that? May 19 13:49:13 tybollt_: i can build images with ARM extras cos of team membership atm and it isn't exported publically :/ May 19 13:49:19 (silly silly) May 19 13:53:08 * javispedro really worries about moving bug reports for propietary nokia components May 19 13:53:14 to where? May 19 13:53:24 qgil suggested nokia pilots May 19 13:53:35 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53002 May 19 13:53:36 well, better than /dev/null, like, brainstorm May 19 13:54:06 never used nokia pilots, so :) May 19 13:54:12 I have no clue what that is. May 19 13:54:22 texrat mentioned it at some point May 19 13:54:40 having bugs.maemo.org, bugs.meego.org, nokia's internal bugtracker, an upstream qt bugtracker, and nokia pilots makes me feel kind of.... "lost"? May 19 13:55:06 * javispedro thinks this would be much easier if we kept the maemo brand and meego acted as maemo upstream May 19 13:55:55 the harmattan rebrand is a bit of a oddity, yes May 19 13:56:28 it IS being rebranded? May 19 13:56:32 Stskeeps: do spill, sir May 19 13:56:38 it's called meego, isn't it? May 19 13:56:49 without being true meego, just a meego instance May 19 13:56:58 I thought they'd run in paralell (Or so I was told ~month ago) May 19 13:57:04 aaah olrite May 19 13:57:37 How do I get root rights inside a shell in easy-debian? May 19 13:57:45 Stskeeps: so a maemo w/ a meego sticker on it, in reality? May 19 13:59:36 nvm sudo su May 19 13:59:50 is there any way to access fm transmitter with cli? May 19 14:00:31 yes May 19 14:00:42 to what question? :) May 19 14:00:48 onefish's :) May 19 14:01:00 javispedro, care to explain how? :) May 19 14:01:31 fmtx_client May 19 14:01:44 Has someone tried a full-upgrade in easy-debian? :> May 19 14:02:03 or if you want to bypass nokia's propietary middleware, use v4l directly (but no binaries on device can do that, you'll have to build/port one) May 19 14:05:19 javispedro, thanks! May 19 14:13:16 * pupnik plays with ipod touch and is amazed how people spend money for "no buttons" May 19 14:14:12 capacitive screen -- eeek May 19 14:14:16 this reminds me of the joggler May 19 14:14:34 what's wrong with "no buttons"? May 19 14:14:38 pupnik: do s/ipod touch/ipad mini/ and you will get xtra chicks May 19 14:14:45 as long as you're only trying to do a few things... May 19 14:14:49 What are we going to do when the N900+1 comes out? :( May 19 14:15:01 N1000? May 19 14:15:03 hope for many buttons May 19 14:15:08 (ten-hundred) May 19 14:15:16 GAN900: same as usual - complain and then lot of users will switch May 19 14:16:27 hrw, that doesn't help ME, though. May 19 14:16:51 Anybody perhaps know what causes this? May 19 14:16:52 aclocal: configure.ac: 43: macro `AM_PROG_CC_C_O' not found in library May 19 14:17:26 4 versions of automake installed, but still no luck ;) May 19 14:17:34 we can not install meboo)new version of maemo) on n900? May 19 14:18:01 mintux: first they have to release something May 19 14:18:56 Hi May 19 14:19:01 Jaffa, Ping? May 19 14:19:14 mintux: meego? May 19 14:19:31 GAN900: start a black market of n900 May 19 14:20:19 man, I wish the phone/tablet were cheaper. May 19 14:21:03 GAN900: cut our fingernails May 19 14:22:37 pupnik, already done May 19 14:22:50 somehow that doesn't make me hate capacitive any less. May 19 14:24:59 *I* have a solution May 19 14:25:19 You COULD May 19 14:25:33 Build a bridge and get over it :P Just kidding May 19 14:25:57 KILL ALL CAPACITIVE SCREEN FANS! May 19 14:26:41 Shall I open the flood gates? May 19 14:27:16 surely the horrible inaccuracy of capcitive is all thats needed to mention how bad it is? May 19 14:27:27 i have trouble hitting what i want, and i have tiny fingers May 19 14:27:30 X-Fade: which automake version is being used? that macro was new in 1.8 i think May 19 14:27:39 and i also tend to try to use fingernails anyway May 19 14:27:57 auenf: you're on this channel, you saying you have tiny fingers probably means you're a massive overweight adult with fingers the size of kid's legs May 19 14:28:05 auenf, pfft I have more trouble with accuracy on resistive May 19 14:28:33 well, i'm 50kg soaking wet, your call ;) May 19 14:28:33 hi all, trying to get the ssh server started on my n900 May 19 14:28:50 what is the name of the ssh daemon? May 19 14:28:57 I suspect it's not running May 19 14:29:16 install 'openssh+server' from extras May 19 14:29:32 I installed "openssh server+client" May 19 14:29:35 the client works May 19 14:29:35 amigadave: Trying to find out. May 19 14:30:17 X-Fade: if you are using autoreconf, a --verbose should tell you, i think May 19 14:30:42 autoconf -- urgh :) May 19 14:30:43 amigadave: Is inside an OBS, so need to find out what is going on ;) May 19 14:30:58 X-Fade: ah, i see :) May 19 14:31:39 amigadave, I'm just wondering if there was any page in the wiki we could have pointed Pallavi to which he could have used to solve his problem May 19 14:31:57 also, everyone.. are you supposed to be able to ping your n900? May 19 14:32:00 amigadave, Packaging is pretty good... also the autoconf & automake tutorial you just updated May 19 14:32:09 dneary: the autotools section of the packaging article nicely covered it May 19 14:32:15 I thought so too May 19 14:32:19 but yeah, i should find a place to add those autotools tutorial links May 19 14:32:29 I would love to know where he was getting his code samples from May 19 14:33:11 well, the wiki pages for osso-abook (and the API reference) gave no indication of the pkg-config file to use, which is not great May 19 14:33:44 leino, ping from where? May 19 14:34:32 I try to ping it over internet, from my home pc May 19 14:34:46 I got the ip associated with the gprs0 device May 19 14:35:24 you might be behind a NAT thru your provider May 19 14:35:35 I can ping other stuff May 19 14:35:49 i have a full static ip with my mobile sim May 19 14:35:51 also I can ping my home pc from my n900 May 19 14:36:31 thats fine, you'd have an ip to yourself at home May 19 14:36:44 but your phone plan is most likely a shared ip with lots of other phones May 19 14:36:47 using NAT May 19 14:37:02 sorry, what? May 19 14:37:05 amigadave, I have been meaning to ask you May 19 14:37:16 you mean a bunch of other phones have the same ip at the same time? May 19 14:37:24 leino, who is your mobile provider? May 19 14:37:25 amigadave, Why did you add the superfluous []s to arguments in configure.ac? May 19 14:37:29 tongue did not work on iPod May 19 14:37:29 leino: yes May 19 14:37:34 they're called telenor May 19 14:37:35 leino: that's how NAT works May 19 14:37:47 pupnik: I use my nose quite a lot on the n900 May 19 14:37:53 dneary: m4 quoting is a black art, easiest to play it safe and quote every argument May 19 14:38:03 nose works on iPod May 19 14:38:12 plus, some people get really confused that arguments are seperated by commas and not spaces May 19 14:38:29 leino, and you have a normal mobile plan with data? May 19 14:38:37 That at least has the merit of being consistent :) May 19 14:38:39 "imma dial wif mah face" May 19 14:38:49 Anyway - gotta blog... May 19 14:38:58 auenf: I don't really know what you mean by "normal" or "with data" May 19 14:38:59 as opposed to a 'mobile broadband' plan (which is really meant to be used in a usb modem) May 19 14:39:25 pupnik: is that an app, or do you mean you actually can't work an ipod touchscreen by licking it? May 19 14:39:53 leino, http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/?tag=NAT May 19 14:40:00 auenf: the plan is called "telenor surf", and is meant for cellphones May 19 14:40:27 BCMM: it did not respond to my tongue, at least. YMMV May 19 14:40:39 the 'ip' your phone is getting, its 10. ? May 19 14:40:59 auenf: would a dynamic dns service solve this problem? May 19 14:41:13 anybody know what sort of touchscreen the ipod touch has? May 19 14:41:40 dynamic dns is meant for connections where your ip changes, eg, every time you connect May 19 14:41:59 dynamic DNS is useful May 19 14:41:59 so what is the punchline May 19 14:42:09 your problem is that you dont have an ip to yourself, it shared by other users also, and in order to forward ports thru it, like internet connection sharing May 19 14:42:18 sshing into your n900 cant be done if you have the NAT thing? May 19 14:42:18 but wouldn't help with not having a globally unique ip address May 19 14:42:26 leino, whats the start of the ip? 10. ? May 19 14:42:59 nope, 178. May 19 14:43:07 if you absolutely cannot have an "external" open port, "reverse SSH" is the answer May 19 14:43:13 oh, I just saw it changed May 19 14:43:18 from what it was before May 19 14:43:24 still starts the same tho May 19 14:43:33 i.e. SSH connection from the phone to your computer, that forwards another SSH connection that goes the other way May 19 14:43:40 auenf: (I restarted it) May 19 14:43:51 hmm, might be dynamic dns May 19 14:43:58 altho you may have lots of ports restricted also May 19 14:44:04 of course its more likely to be NAT May 19 14:44:13 178 is the ip that shows up in ifconfig? May 19 14:44:17 or whatismyip.com ? May 19 14:44:17 (using SSH's port forwarding abilities) May 19 14:44:20 auenf: yeah May 19 14:44:48 try that site also, see if its a different ip May 19 14:45:18 whatismyip.com gave the same answer May 19 14:46:58 what is the easiest way to figure out which ports are open? May 19 14:47:01 not enough results in english for me to see much about telenor surf May 19 14:47:27 auenf: that's ok, anything special I should look for? May 19 14:48:22 leino: from the point of view of a machine on the internet, or actually open on the phone? May 19 14:48:40 BCMM, he's trying to ssh to his phone over the internet May 19 14:48:49 BCMM: I want to know all three I guess May 19 14:49:00 leino: what's your IP - first May 19 14:49:04 oh May 19 14:49:18 auenf: and so far it doesn't work? May 19 14:49:34 BCMM: I can ssh to my pc over the internet, from my n900 May 19 14:49:38 but not the other way around May 19 14:49:42 I get connection timeout May 19 14:49:52 i think so, and he cant ping his phone via the ip either May 19 14:49:57 leino: have a look at sshd logs on both machines May 19 14:50:24 leino: that way, you get another source for the IP address of the phone, and you find out if the phone detected anything when you SSH'ed it May 19 14:50:45 of course, it is possible that the network gives real IP addresses, but messes with incoming connections as a braindead security measure May 19 14:51:07 my /var/log is empty May 19 14:51:31 actually, i dunno if the n900 has sshd logs May 19 14:51:36 most phone plans have restrictive access, pretty much blocking lots ;) May 19 14:52:18 leino: are you sure the ssh server is running? can you do "ssh localhost" on the phone? May 19 14:53:30 ssh localhost did indeed work! May 19 14:54:00 Imma try sshing to my own external ip (from the n900 to the n900) May 19 14:54:50 omg, works! May 19 14:54:57 Imma firin mah lasah! May 19 14:55:17 still can't do it from my home pc though May 19 14:55:39 leino: isp blocking May 19 14:55:40 leino, most likely your ISP blocks incoming connections on port 22 May 19 14:56:10 or on all ports May 19 14:56:17 but yeah, try some weird port numbers May 19 14:56:19 not isp, mobile network provider May 19 14:56:29 but then why could I do "ssh [myip]" on my n900, wouldnt that go via port 22 May 19 14:56:30 ? May 19 14:56:40 I'd say the mobile provider _is_ the ISP in this case May 19 14:56:49 true, but not through network May 19 14:56:50 leino, it doesn't go through the firewall May 19 14:56:55 leino: n900 doesn't send packets to/from itself via the network. May 19 14:57:03 leino: that didn't really go over the network May 19 14:57:05 but my mobile provider is a true ISP, not a mobile provider ;) May 19 14:57:06 network would reject them May 19 14:57:07 your n900 has that IP, all the packets are internally handled by the kernel and never even appear on the air May 19 14:57:13 i have a mobile broadband plan with voice support May 19 14:57:33 everyone: ok that explains it May 19 14:57:36 IP networks are damn clever, and it will've worked out that the quickest route is straight back to the network stack May 19 14:58:08 BCMM: also, a packet with teh same source/dest is prolly spoofed anyway. :) May 19 14:58:12 you could set up ssh port forwarding from the n900, and then tunnel back... May 19 14:58:13 that is a pretty evil quit message May 19 14:58:20 just like mail that says its from and to you.. May 19 14:58:30 so what do I do... set my sshd to listen on a different port and then try sshing in on that port number? May 19 14:58:39 or use ssh tunnel May 19 14:58:40 leino: what mgedmin said May 19 14:58:52 SSH can forward ports for you, in either direction May 19 14:59:09 ok, a little more explicitly please :) May 19 14:59:14 so ssh to the PC from the phone, and use that connection to forward a connection in the other direction May 19 14:59:19 man ssh, look at -L May 19 14:59:24 you connect ssh tunnel from n900 to home May 19 14:59:29 -R, I think, in this case May 19 14:59:42 user@n900: ssh your.home.pc -R 2222:localhost:22 May 19 14:59:47 sorry, not -L, that's for going the other way May 19 14:59:52 listen to mgedmin May 19 15:00:05 then yourusername@your.home.pc can do ssh -p 2222 localhost and end up logging into your n900 May 19 15:00:25 I'm not sure what the point of that would be May 19 15:00:28 mhh... I'm getting this problem again. I think I need to kill something, can't remember how the command went: [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > sb-conf select FREMANTLE_X86 May 19 15:00:31 sb-conf: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first May 19 15:00:37 well, you could then use scp I suppose May 19 15:00:44 or mount your n900's filesystem with sshfs May 19 15:00:48 mgedmin: that would setup a ssh connection from my n900 to my home pc, would it not? May 19 15:00:53 I want to do the reverse May 19 15:01:14 leino, two commands, one setting up n900 -> pc (with tunnel), the other one traversing that tunnel to establish pc -> n900 May 19 15:01:15 ok sorry May 19 15:01:15 if you are a KDE user, you can use the fish:// protocol in konqueror May 19 15:01:22 should have read it all :) May 19 15:01:23 (to see the files on the n900) May 19 15:01:29 ok, gonna try that May 19 15:01:43 why not do it over wifi? May 19 15:01:48 why use 3g? May 19 15:01:59 I dont have a wifi router atm May 19 15:02:02 ah May 19 15:02:05 leino: usb? May 19 15:02:15 don't tell me you don't have a usb port open May 19 15:02:17 crashanddie: of course May 19 15:02:23 you can have networking over USB May 19 15:02:25 cables suck, but having to manually establish a tunnel before you can ssh in also sucks May 19 15:02:42 works very well, faster than any wireless you'll get May 19 15:02:46 that's true May 19 15:03:02 http://www.nature.com/nphoton/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/nphoton.2010.87.html May 19 15:03:28 TomaszD: chinese, therefore not newsworthy May 19 15:03:43 TomaszD: the chinese scientists are under so much pressure they'll bollocks their way through papers May 19 15:04:00 TomaszD: unless it's reviewed and approved by a correctly funded and established university, I'm not reading it May 19 15:04:01 usb networking with the n900 is pretty good May 19 15:04:04 :/ May 19 15:04:26 can't remember what i did, but there is some config file you can edit to enable it automatically whenever you choose pc suite mode May 19 15:04:44 indeed, but that's even too much hassle May 19 15:04:55 config file? May 19 15:04:56 usually I just connect in mass storage, and then ifup usb0 May 19 15:04:58 what config file? May 19 15:05:03 crashanddie, I'm still biking, 45km today, haven't... crashed and died yet ;) May 19 15:05:07 combined with a static ip for usb0 on my desktop, and i now just plug it in, choose pc-suite mode, and run ssh/konqueror May 19 15:05:23 TomaszD: good on ya May 19 15:05:24 fish:// over USB is still quite a lot slower than mass storage May 19 15:05:38 it's addictive May 19 15:05:56 TomaszD: yeah, it is, just stay on the right path of the addiction: cycling, not buying May 19 15:06:00 TomaszD: Biking + openstreetmap May 19 15:06:00 on the plus side you get access to more and you can access it all simultaneously from both computers (pc and n900) May 19 15:06:29 usb networking with n900 = install libicd-network-usb,, plug into pc, select pc suite, click on netwrok connections, tap usb. May 19 15:06:32 SpeedEvil, yeah well I need a working SHR install first, a microsd card for offline maps and a bike holder... May 19 15:06:54 * mgedmin has a script to modprobe g_nokia, ifconfig usb0, and start a DHCP server on usb0 from the n900 -- then when I plug in a cable, Network Manager on my laptop autoconnects May 19 15:06:56 :) May 19 15:07:04 SpeedEvil: no offense, but the N900 doesn't have what it takes to be a proper biking tool yet May 19 15:07:13 what's this "libicd-network-usb" thing? May 19 15:07:18 I got gps working, but wifi doesn't want to cooperate :/ May 19 15:07:46 crashanddie: No, it's not good for navigation, if that's what you mean. It also doesn't have a spoke tensioning tool. May 19 15:08:14 you can use it as a small hammer, though May 19 15:08:16 SpeedEvil: it needs to be able to run with GPS on for 10 hours without the battery dying, and it needs an app that measures steepness, speed, tracks your movements, and then export it to something usable on a laptop (or well, something viewable on the n900 as well) May 19 15:08:46 Nokia Stylus SU-36 works with capacitive May 19 15:08:51 crashanddie, I use the gps track logger widget on the n900 for now, but I want to move to the freerunner with tangogps May 19 15:08:53 crashanddie: It can run with gps for 10 hours. And gnuplot. May 19 15:08:55 crashanddie: get one of the tracker-tags (forget the name off the top of my head) with bluetooth. May 19 15:09:07 ten hours Crash? You one of them "ironman" nutties? :) May 19 15:09:08 For some reason I cannot run the qt4-maemo5-homescreen-example in scratchbox (while I can on my n900). After installing it, I get these errors: hildon-home[6361]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Unknown Plugin Loader type: qt May 19 15:09:12 hildon-home[6361]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Error loading plugin: /usr/share/applications/hildon-home/qt-homescreen-example.desktop May 19 15:09:26 qt4-maemo5-homescreen-loader was installed successfully though. May 19 15:09:36 ok, the "user@n900: ssh your.home.pc -R 2222:localhost:22" thing gave me a password prompt for root on my home machine May 19 15:09:44 is that what you expected? May 19 15:10:02 leino, um, no May 19 15:10:08 I expected it to give you a password prompt for 'user' May 19 15:10:23 the n900 would be perfect if it had host-side USB, an infrared receiver, and a spoke tensioning tool May 19 15:10:23 you probably want 'ssh yourusername@your.home.pc -R ...' May 19 15:10:24 tybollt_: well, leave the house around 8, 1.5 hours cycling to meet up with people, then about 6 hours of cycling (on and off, breaks every hour or two) then cycling back home, 10 really is a minimum for a full day out May 19 15:10:28 I dont have a user named 'user' on my home pc May 19 15:10:39 BCMM, a digital thermometer and compass May 19 15:10:55 actually, the compass might be kinda useful May 19 15:11:12 the GPS things that work out your heading from your motion are a bit hackish May 19 15:11:13 mgedmin: Naah - thermometer is pointless. May 19 15:11:24 mgedmin: The main camera should also work as a FLIR. May 19 15:11:24 nvm an apt-get upgrade fixed it. May 19 15:11:26 and fail when you do the sensible things of *stopping* to find out where you are May 19 15:11:30 I'm often curious about the indoor temperature May 19 15:11:40 although the n900 gets hot rather often, which would throw off readings May 19 15:11:45 it would basically read teh temperature of your pocket May 19 15:12:23 BCMM: indeed, on a bike, I'd rather have something that accurately and immediately tells me where I've been, rather than guess for 20 seconds where I'm going May 19 15:12:47 crashanddie: not sure i understand May 19 15:13:08 ok I tried "user@n900: ssh leino@your.home.pc -R 2222:localhost:22", and it gave me "Warning: remote port forwarding failed for listen port 2222" May 19 15:13:18 anyway, i personally find maep is very nice for cycling May 19 15:13:29 a GPS device with opencyclemap! May 19 15:13:41 crashanddie: I'm flat out impressed. I'd croak after half an hour ;P May 19 15:13:42 (and the track is nice) May 19 15:13:46 I'm on a bike, I kinda know where I'm going, I just need to know my general location to adjust the bearing of my general direction. I don't need something to tell me "turn left now" May 19 15:13:53 crashanddie: x-country? May 19 15:13:59 digital compass for orienting the map is nice. but the real application is augmented reality May 19 15:14:03 tybollt_: mostly yeah May 19 15:14:05 crashanddie: doesn't maep basically do that? May 19 15:14:25 oh, doesn't really do direction May 19 15:14:39 besides - anyone engineered a bike mount for a N900 yet? May 19 15:14:49 tybollt_: do want. May 19 15:14:52 * mgedmin tries May 19 15:15:02 it would have to be pretty trustworthy May 19 15:15:16 should be possible to alter a current mount of some kind - no? May 19 15:15:19 tybollt_: cycling is easy. If you're on your own, you can go at the speed you want and keep going for days, even with the crappiest fitness level. If you're with other people and need to keep up with them, it's usually better if you're fit enough to have it the other way around: they need to keep up with you May 19 15:15:45 leino, Works For Me (TM) May 19 15:15:54 crashanddie: well that's the point kinda innit? To have the others trigger you to go faster? May 19 15:16:06 i've found it pretty easy to increase cycling speed and stamina - easier by far than same for running, for me May 19 15:16:12 mgedmin: ok.. well I want to try the usb thing now May 19 15:16:26 leino, is anything already listening on port 2222 on your desktop? you can try a different port if you want May 19 15:16:34 tybollt_: duct tape should be able to do the trick ;) May 19 15:16:44 just pick something over 1024 so you won't need to ssh into the root account May 19 15:16:59 nokia makes a "universal" car mount that is supposed to work with the n900 May 19 15:17:05 perhaps it can be hacked up May 19 15:17:30 mgedmin: ok.. I dont know how to find out if anything is listening on 2222 on my desktop May 19 15:17:38 netstat -tl May 19 15:17:49 i find it hard to believe it gives access to top buttons and ports though May 19 15:18:31 isnt the universal mount rebranded ducttape? May 19 15:19:25 http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/car-solutions-accessories/mobile-holders/nokia-universal-holder-cr-114 May 19 15:19:29 mgedmin: maybe I should mention that although I got that warning, I still got a ssh connection from my n900 to my home pc May 19 15:19:35 yes May 19 15:19:37 which seems to work May 19 15:19:38 makes sense May 19 15:19:41 can't tell if it would hold the longs sides of short sides May 19 15:19:43 tybollt_: not really, fast isn't really better May 19 15:19:50 also, doesn't look obviously hackable May 19 15:20:13 tybollt_: it's better to go further than faster, though if your natural speed is faster than others, you'll be a lot more comfortable a lot longer May 19 15:22:08 there's the BRODIT 511099 passive holder, with a bike mount it could work May 19 15:22:22 but I'd add some additional protection just in case... May 19 15:23:00 do they offer a bike mount? May 19 15:23:06 yes May 19 15:23:14 a universal HR mount May 19 15:23:19 HR? May 19 15:23:30 so you can have a bike mount or a car mount with the same backplate May 19 15:24:04 can't quite see in the photo - camera button is exposed, right? May 19 15:24:27 it looks as though they though this one through, you can even open the keyboard in this May 19 15:25:07 wow May 19 15:25:14 how? doesn't look possible in photos May 19 15:25:28 http://www.sanbo.de/out/1/html/0/dyn_images/z1/brodit_passiv_511099_nokia_n900_z1_z1.png May 19 15:25:44 the mount doesn't block the slider May 19 15:26:01 TomaszD: what holds it on? May 19 15:26:08 does it just sorta "click"? May 19 15:26:25 fairy dust, which is why I'd use some rubber bands on the sides May 19 15:26:36 yeah May 19 15:26:38 especially for bike use May 19 15:26:41 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15544 <- I have that one for bicycle mount, it worked quite well with my previous phone but I have not yet tested with n900 May 19 15:26:55 (i can't think of a sane use for the front camera while cycling) May 19 15:27:01 Trewas, testes, won't work May 19 15:27:14 TomaszD: damn :( what's the problem? May 19 15:27:22 if you clasp the n900 in this, it will shut down, as you push the power button with the sides :) May 19 15:27:24 BCMM, main camer? May 19 15:27:29 TomaszD: groan :) May 19 15:27:35 lcuk: ? May 19 15:27:42 front camera == main camera May 19 15:27:51 * lcuk keeps getting mixed up May 19 15:27:55 lcuk: i meant the camera facing the user May 19 15:28:09 it's crap compared to the other camera, so i consider the other camera the main camera May 19 15:28:09 check how out of breath you are May 19 15:28:13 take photos every mile May 19 15:28:15 hah May 19 15:28:19 "this is BCMM after 2 miles" May 19 15:28:38 i was envisioning very dangerous teleconferencing May 19 15:28:38 also, for your clip: http://ordable.com/img/lists/the-best-motivational-posters-of-all-time/items/2907200985797RubberBands.jpg May 19 15:29:00 not a problem, especially if its c2c May 19 15:29:05 cyclist to cyclist :D May 19 15:29:26 lcuk: i mean the looking at the screen May 19 15:29:30 people have starteddoing bike trips down bolivias death road May 19 15:29:32 hmm May 19 15:29:45 perhaps one could have a small mirror behind the main camera May 19 15:29:49 trips? someone called me? May 19 15:29:57 and have a corner of the screen show you what is ahead May 19 15:30:05 Trewas, I've tried holding it in landscape mode, but it *will* fall out, it's just not sturdy enough, on a bike it will break as the n900 is too heavy for it May 19 15:30:11 id rather just look ahead than that :P May 19 15:31:00 also there is probably more shaking and quick shocks while biking if going anywhere with damaged pavement May 19 15:31:24 just try it offroad May 19 15:31:42 if you can find a clamp that holds for MTB then a crumbling pavement will be childsplay May 19 15:32:10 so a word of warning, don't buy the bike holder from DX if you have the n900... May 19 15:32:44 it worked fine for an e51 in a rally car, during a rally though :) mounted on an internal handrail May 19 15:32:57 what would be useful would be one of the external LCD bluetooth displays May 19 15:33:01 do you know how to prevent the hildon-desktop from showing the fake empty window when launching my application? May 19 15:34:22 mmm barisione dunno, i thought it just came up by default for gtk i can dig and see where it was initiated holdon May 19 15:34:51 on gnome you have a .desktop key to say that you don't want it May 19 15:35:30 barisione, claudio will know for certain May 19 15:35:41 ok, I will ask him May 19 15:37:24 heh, so the SDK doesn't work on amd64, it failed to install and didn't even attempt to clean up May 19 15:44:01 TomaszD, use -F May 19 15:44:20 :'( May 19 16:07:57 heya May 19 16:09:34 g'day May 19 16:10:33 http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129149689842286448.jpg May 19 16:10:45 lcuk & GAN900: ^ May 19 16:14:12 ~rape scratchbox maemo SDK May 19 16:14:14 * infobot takes scratchbox maemo SDK behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams May 19 16:14:35 abandon all hope who enters here May 19 16:14:55 SCIZZZZOOOOIIIIIIID >:-((( May 19 16:14:59 mmm fruity oaty bars! http://fruity-oaty-bars.apathy.org.uk/ May 19 16:15:31 DocScrutinizer: hehe why ? May 19 16:17:46 it's an alien on my PC, none of the tools I'm used to works inside that crap chroot environment. And WHY THE F*CK do I need such scizoid mess, just to compile a hello world or a kernel? My genuine gcc should work like a charm, when given the right directives wrt wher to fetch libs and which target arch to build - well I guess that's MADDE then May 19 16:18:28 you sound almost qualified to describe a fix May 19 16:18:30 heh May 19 16:20:12 but MADDE is just a preview right now May 19 16:20:15 not ? May 19 16:20:20 DocScrutinizer, we want to keep the lusers out. :P May 19 16:20:26 I goddamn did some cross platform development in my life, that's never been as clumsy as scratchbox May 19 16:22:03 edit *on your system*, compile *on your system*, either run in an emulator environment or simply download to target. remote debug *from your system*. iterate (aka start over from beginning) May 19 16:22:07 simple as that May 19 16:22:34 i want to install software but it said you dont have enough memory what shall i do? May 19 16:23:01 ~optification May 19 16:23:02 it has been said that optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs May 19 16:23:07 DocScrutinizer: so how would you run tests that want to run a cross-compiled app? May 19 16:23:31 spturtle: please rephrase May 19 16:23:36 * spturtle hasn't even gotten scratchbox to work ): May 19 16:24:36 DocScrutinizer: many applications and libs have a "make check" target that might run the apps you just built, but that doesn't work in a cross compilation env May 19 16:25:01 hmm, I don't think I need that May 19 16:25:11 for now at least May 19 16:25:41 hey is there any way of getting a touchselector with single selection to have nothing selected initially? May 19 16:26:08 btw your question sounds like "and how would you fill gasoline into a elctro car?" May 19 16:26:57 have unselect_all(0) and set_active(0, -1) and the bastard still selects the first item. grr argh! May 19 16:28:06 spturtle: I guess those "make test" scripts had to be rewritten to use a parameter "target=emu" / "target=real_hw" and then download the sw_under_test to the selected target and run it there May 19 16:28:28 DocScrutinizer: it's way easier to do a convoluted build system that to fix every other package in existence May 19 16:28:29 what the hell should I do ? 257mb of root is full I can not get sms and install software May 19 16:28:41 **can't May 19 16:28:51 hello people :) May 19 16:28:54 mintux, disable repos from ham May 19 16:28:57 Jaffa, hopefully I can finish it at lunch in a half hour. May 19 16:29:03 Yello, wazd. May 19 16:29:12 Mece_:in file manager? May 19 16:29:25 javispedro: no, it's way easier for NOKIA to give us a matrix where we can play using the toys NOKIA is willing to give to us May 19 16:29:25 minntux, in the app manager May 19 16:29:30 ~seen vdvsx May 19 16:29:32 vdvsx <~Valerio@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 21h 44m 30s ago, saying: 'its true almost 22h and still a lot of light :D'. May 19 16:29:38 aaaaw May 19 16:30:10 mintux, in the app manager May 19 16:30:13 Mece_:after that update? May 19 16:30:22 DocScrutinizer: you can use whatever tool you want -- it's just that you'll find that it is horribly easier to build your average debian package under scratchbox than under a cross compiler. May 19 16:30:26 mintux, what update? May 19 16:30:30 list May 19 16:30:45 timeless: btw, that row that you told me douesn't work :( May 19 16:30:49 Mece_:why root partition is too low ? May 19 16:31:05 is there any way to increase that ? May 19 16:31:16 timeless: maybe I was doing something wrong cause there were no "backisback = 0" at all May 19 16:31:16 and why it depends on sms inbox ? May 19 16:31:23 mintux, then either find and remove the offending (as in not optified) software, or try some of the methods in wiki. May 19 16:31:44 javispedro: to BUILD I agree - to DEVELOP I dare to disagree completely May 19 16:32:19 SB is a mere *building* environment May 19 16:32:38 Mece_: im in linux . it's very bad I limited to install softwares (in unlimited world ) May 19 16:32:46 mintux, well the fast chip is 256Mb. it's a physical limitation. May 19 16:33:05 mintux, install them to /opt May 19 16:33:30 Mece_: where did they install? I install from app manager not handly May 19 16:33:36 oh, another stupid "free as in beer" zealot? May 19 16:34:21 mintux, well the applications in extras install to opt. the stuff in testing and devel install wherever they please, although often to opt. May 19 16:34:22 * wazd looks at "Nokia Windows Phone?!" thread May 19 16:34:29 aaah. god'ol t.m.o. May 19 16:34:32 DocScrutinizer: yes :) May 19 16:34:40 *good May 19 16:34:42 mintux: you have a room of a specific size, you can not put more things than the size will allow in that room. End of discussion. May 19 16:35:01 DocScrutinizer: note that I'm a sbox fan. :) May 19 16:35:53 crashanddie: can we create another partition and mount some dir like share or var to it ? May 19 16:36:08 ~optification May 19 16:36:09 i heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs May 19 16:36:17 ~rootfs May 19 16:36:18 i guess rootfs is mount ro, but all the nessary files that need to be writen to are created in a ramdisk that is rw May 19 16:36:22 javispedro: so augment your beloved SB with a decent interface t the host system. Shouldn,t be hard at all May 19 16:36:31 DocScrutinizer: it's called bind mounts May 19 16:36:41 yep May 19 16:36:48 I wonder who needs ZodTTD if we have javispedro May 19 16:36:49 mintux: http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem May 19 16:36:52 something along that line May 19 16:36:53 :) May 19 16:37:01 wazd: well, if he made a opengles plugin and it's not releasing it... May 19 16:37:05 and RST38h :) May 19 16:37:15 (also, I never owned any psx) May 19 16:37:22 hey could you make ~rootfs include a link to the wiki entry on freeing up space in rootfs May 19 16:37:44 javispedro: you can buy it for like 10 bucks :D May 19 16:38:16 DocScrutinizer: my personal setup is a bind mounted $HOME/Projects to $HOME/Projects/Maemo; works very well. Also I usually export that folder via NFS to N900 too. May 19 16:38:31 (one of the mount points _inside_ sbox) May 19 16:38:45 DocScrutinizer: you can do all of this from /etc/fstab and /etc/exports May 19 16:39:19 javispedro: script or it never happened May 19 16:39:26 haaa May 19 16:39:30 no script, just a line on /etc/fstab May 19 16:39:33 good one May 19 16:39:41 Jaffa: btw, I've found the sense in your weekly reviews when I got out of touch with community for a while :) thanks for your great work :) May 19 16:39:56 /mnt/Fuentes/Javier/Maemo /scratchbox/users/javier/home/javier/Projects auto bind May 19 16:41:48 wtf is going on with sticky crap in community on tmo? May 19 16:42:21 crashanddie, 100 Days: Part Deuce May 19 16:42:36 sounds like a bad film name :) May 19 16:42:39 Conclusion from the sprint meeting yesterday May 19 16:42:47 javispedro, it was a bad film name. May 19 16:42:50 GAN900: part deuce? May 19 16:42:54 I think it's nice either way. May 19 16:43:19 crashanddie, recall the 100 Days from 2008? May 19 16:43:25 I do May 19 16:44:13 just don't remember tmo becoming 5 clicks long May 19 16:44:18 hi all May 19 16:44:30 can any one here help me with a shell loop? May 19 16:45:09 * MohammadAG plays wedding music May 19 16:45:09 cityOfLights: for i in *.ext; do; echo $i; cat $i | grep $1; done; May 19 16:45:39 let's hope we get useful feedback out of the threads instead of suggestions about the n900+1 keyboard =) May 19 16:45:55 MohammadAG: congrats May 19 16:47:23 cityOfLights, not me, <crashanddie> I do May 19 16:47:44 tmo is hilarious. this one made coffee come out of my nose: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=663866&postcount=15 May 19 16:47:59 (from laughing) May 19 16:49:30 hilarious, and crazy. May 19 16:49:35 ah, abill_uk. May 19 16:49:48 'PLEASE be tactical' May 19 16:49:55 * SpeedEvil readies his tactical nukes. May 19 16:50:02 Mece_: damn, I still need a kitchen to prepare me some May 19 16:50:03 X-Fade: can I ask you a favour, bru? May 19 16:50:15 X-Fade: give weed to Reggie so he bans geneven May 19 16:50:33 geneven, abill, that other guy whose name I forgot.. May 19 16:51:10 I wonder why they disabled the sequential icon loading for the launch menu by default. it looks beautiful :> May 19 16:52:44 ok May 19 16:52:55 here is the for loop I need help with May 19 16:52:57 http://dpaste.com/196648/ May 19 16:53:24 cityOfLights: what's the problem? May 19 16:53:39 the args() function? May 19 16:53:54 crashanddie: how to have the for at line 32 use each on the strings in HOME_ID? May 19 16:54:39 Shapeshifter: I couldnt get the args function to work, but I am reffering to line 32 now May 19 16:55:02 cityOfLights: what is the format of $HOME_ID? May 19 16:55:14 line 18 May 19 16:58:25 cityOfLights: remove the quotes around $HOME_ID May 19 16:58:29 * DocScrutinizer attaches hose to Mece_'s nose May 19 16:58:52 crashanddie: ok May 19 17:00:10 line 18? May 19 17:00:17 cityOfLights: no, line 32 May 19 17:00:21 http://www.faqs.org/docs/bashman/bashref_toc.html May 19 17:01:02 hmm, my adblock isn't working anymore May 19 17:01:24 how could I have broken it? May 19 17:02:33 Is there a cli command for maemo notifications? I'm planning a small script that would look for a file from my server (using scp), then notify me if it existed. May 19 17:02:38 crashanddie: sweet. ok , now how can I have the args function work? May 19 17:02:50 line 19 May 19 17:03:04 cityOfLights: that'll be $20 by paypal May 19 17:03:16 but but May 19 17:03:30 I am realising it under GL May 19 17:03:43 releasing May 19 17:04:32 * crashanddie goes back to watching dr house May 19 17:04:52 thanks crashanddie May 19 17:05:10 cityOfLights: you might wanna ask #bash. there's an army of wizards over there. May 19 17:05:22 I am working on adding this to openvpn applet May 19 17:05:39 thanks May 19 17:07:00 crashanddie: DrHouse?? damn, yesterday there was no DrHouse here, felt pissed May 19 17:07:19 DocScrutinizer: been catching up, hadn't seen any episodes since black hole May 19 17:07:30 DocScrutinizer: watching the one where the crane fell down and all May 19 17:08:12 hmm... I guess I need to do a little p2p leeching May 19 17:08:32 no you don't May 19 17:11:51 TomaszD: (re: the dx bicycle phone holder) it was quite trivial to "mod" it to not hit the n900's power button in portrait mode (just cut out small part of the foam), but overall it feels a bit flimsy to hold n900's weight May 19 17:22:36 does cutempc work for anyone? mpc works and all, but cutempc can't connect and instead hangs and gives "connection closed" errors and then freezes May 19 17:26:21 wazd: Glad you find them helpful :-) May 19 17:26:35 VDVsx: boo :) May 19 17:26:57 wazd, hey :) May 19 17:27:38 VDVsx: how's it going? :) May 19 17:28:10 wazd, fine and you ? :D May 19 17:28:39 VDVsx: I've tested BlueMaemo recently, loaded it up, then saw "waiting for connection" dialog and then i died :D May 19 17:28:47 Trewas, I thought of that, a trivial mod, but still flimsy, yes May 19 17:29:08 wazd, thats not a good thing did the doctor give you some tablets? May 19 17:29:17 wazd, well, I requested a new design for that, your fault :P May 19 17:29:18 hihihi May 19 17:29:30 VDVsx: oh May 19 17:30:19 lcuk: Doctor said that i can't conquer the universe. Pathetic slave. :D May 19 17:30:30 wazd, not spare time these days :( but I've plans to improve the app a bit :D May 19 17:31:12 so my n900 should arrive any minute am I going to have trouble installing the maemo 5 sdk sine I already have my scratch set up for n810? May 19 17:31:13 VDVsx: it also resets connection with my PC but that's the problem of my BT dongle I guess, it's really shitty May 19 17:31:18 Hello all May 19 17:32:01 question: is it possible to set the default location for a N900 so it will automatically select the right language after a reflash? May 19 17:32:03 VDVsx: other than that it looks uber-sexy :) May 19 17:32:06 wazd, finally got a device ? or was from someone May 19 17:32:46 VDVsx: well, I will have it for a while until someone will come and take it from me to Belarus :) May 19 17:33:22 lol May 19 17:33:28 that's bad May 19 17:33:52 * VDVsx wonders what happened to the returned devices from the summit May 19 17:34:26 VDVsx: well, that won't happen very soon so I'm trying to do as much as possible :) May 19 17:36:03 VDVsx: the only complains I have bout it is its thickness and no portrait mode for media player :) Otherwise it's a really awesome device May 19 17:36:19 wazd, I've a spare one now, but can't give it :( May 19 17:36:48 VDVsx: well, andrewFBlack was asking Quim to give his DDP device to me May 19 17:37:04 wazd: You finally got an N900? May 19 17:37:06 wazd, with a data plan is the best device in the market for my needs :D May 19 17:37:10 VDVsx: but I guess the result looks like all the other attempts :D May 19 17:37:22 RST38h: well, sort of :) May 19 17:37:23 yeah, I asked the same May 19 17:37:27 wazd: I will give you my proto, if Quim approves May 19 17:37:38 wazd: Will save both of us trouble of mailing it around May 19 17:37:38 hey all May 19 17:37:51 anyone drawing mohammed tomorrow? May 19 17:38:08 RST38h: I'm "carring" it around until Vlad come and get it :) May 19 17:38:46 VDVsx: yeah, that sucks that Russia has such an awful data plans May 19 17:39:05 wazd: When he comes, let us meet somewhere May 19 17:39:16 wazd: Awful? Really? :) May 19 17:39:20 wazd <== spoiled May 19 17:39:23 VDVsx: no unlim, about $0.25/Mb May 19 17:39:40 wow, much worst in .pt May 19 17:39:47 wazd: $0.14/MB May 19 17:39:52 wazd: And there is unlim May 19 17:40:02 RST38h: for like 200 bucks? nothanks :D May 19 17:40:06 wazd: Unless you are using Megafon of course, but then you are your own enemy May 19 17:40:10 wazd: around $30 May 19 17:40:14 A moment May 19 17:40:16 RST38h: I am :( May 19 17:40:22 wazd: Then do not complain May 19 17:40:27 I think here in .fi is cheap, not sure May 19 17:40:34 in .pt is also around 30€ May 19 17:40:36 unlim May 19 17:40:36 .fi is pretty chip cell-wise May 19 17:40:45 cheap (mhm) May 19 17:41:50 VDVsx: in .fi you can have 400kb/s unlim for e15 I recall May 19 17:42:47 wazd: http://www.mts.ru/tariffs/inet/connect_2/ May 19 17:43:00 I think I've 1mb unlimited, dunno how much it costs :D May 19 17:43:04 wazd: Carefully check the options. May 19 17:43:28 VDVsx: yeah, nokia pays :D May 19 17:45:27 RST38h: I don't understand it actually May 19 17:46:17 RST38h: messages like these clearly shows to me that I'm gonna be raped May 19 17:46:57 wazd: google for it May 19 17:47:09 wazd: afaik, the catch is the speed limitation May 19 17:47:37 RST38h: and QoS May 19 17:47:57 wazd: 128kbaud May 19 17:48:19 wazd: I doubt you can talk of "QoS" applied to cellular data connections :) May 19 17:48:32 RST38h: not sure if you'll ever get even 128kb May 19 17:48:39 wazd: Same shitty QoS for everyone. But they basically limit the speed to eGPRS May 19 17:48:54 RST38h: GPRS has a QoS - it's guaranteed at no worse than 2s rtt :) May 19 17:49:01 really though does any one have both maemo 4 and 5 sdks installed on one machine without problem? May 19 17:49:07 RST38h: well, at least they can guarantee that you won't be kicked if the tower is overloaded May 19 17:49:35 RST38h: cause I usually can't get a connection from my country for hours May 19 17:49:46 wazd: Surprisingly, I am having more problems with misconfigured 3G towers than with the plain old 2.5G May 19 17:49:49 RST38h: and my country is like in 12km from moscow May 19 17:50:29 wazd: Well, it mainly depends how far you are from the nearest big road May 19 17:51:14 RST38h: I'm in 5km from Zheleznodorozhny :) May 19 17:51:51 RST38h: that's not a megapolis of course, but still :) May 19 17:52:51 RST38h: I used Beeline 3.5G connection in SPB btw and it worked pretty fast May 19 17:53:03 wazd: Do people get decent reception with Beeline/MTS there? May 19 17:53:04 what i need know ( lib, lenguage ) for do some workspace indicator ( something that popup tell you the name/number of the current workspace ) anyidea ? May 19 17:53:19 wazd: (because there is no way I am gonna trust Megafon) May 19 17:53:33 RST38h: phone works well, gprs traffic gets kicked May 19 17:53:51 hm... is easydeb a package which emulates a running debian on the n900? May 19 17:54:14 wazd: weird shit...never had that happen May 19 17:54:57 wazd: MTS worked the whole way to the .BY border, also works 100+km from MSK, in the middle of nowhere (just barely though) May 19 17:55:40 RST38h: well, I guess I'll need to switch the carreer one day May 19 17:56:24 *carrier May 19 18:00:41 it says "Unable to receive or send new messages. Device storage full. Remove data to free memory." on my n900 May 19 18:00:45 (in a popup) May 19 18:00:51 i don't know which memory it means May 19 18:01:46 BCMM, probably the root file system May 19 18:01:55 do you have conky installed? May 19 18:02:06 PhonicUK: 2.2M free, according to df -h May 19 18:02:16 PhonicUK: no, what is conky? May 19 18:02:17 yah thats too low May 19 18:02:23 PhonicUK: ah May 19 18:02:30 system monitor tool May 19 18:02:38 PhonicUK: which app causes those popups? what kind of message is it talking about? May 19 18:02:39 do you have gainroot? May 19 18:02:50 yeah May 19 18:02:59 do this as root: May 19 18:03:17 rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb May 19 18:03:32 that should gain you some more space May 19 18:03:46 apt-get clean does the same thing May 19 18:03:51 PhonicUK: what is kept there? downloaded .debs, in case of reinstall? May 19 18:03:54 and you can sudo that w/o having to gainroot May 19 18:03:56 and install conky, its really useful May 19 18:04:08 ah ok, disconnect May 19 18:04:36 i'll have a look at conky May 19 18:04:37 link? May 19 18:04:38 BCMM, the files there is stuff the package manager has downloaded May 19 18:04:40 BCMM: debs that are downloaded and currently installed - if you upgrade, the old one is deleted. if you uninstall, it gets deleted. (not live, but when autoclean runs. istr it gets run on boot and some other stuff) May 19 18:04:51 er, some other times i mean May 19 18:04:57 BCMM, conky is in the app manager May 19 18:04:58 why does it keep them around then? May 19 18:05:15 BCMM: on a desktop, .. um. i dunno. i never saw the point. i so rarely do reinstalls.. May 19 18:05:18 its a standard apt thing May 19 18:05:36 mikki-kun: sorry I space out while typing that last sentence...basically easy-deb turns executable python files into installable deb files May 19 18:06:00 26.9M now May 19 18:06:06 tada May 19 18:06:10 PhonicUK, Disconnect: thanks May 19 18:06:15 np May 19 18:06:31 im tired, ran for my bus :s May 19 18:06:31 now, any idea which application caused that error, and what sort of message is waiting for me? May 19 18:06:32 no problem ;) hm... i'll giver it a deeper look then May 19 18:06:41 i mean, it can't be a 2.5MB SMS May 19 18:06:53 it was pulling away from one stop, so i beat it to the next May 19 18:07:08 BCMM, probably a cache in some app May 19 18:07:45 theres a set of scripts somewhere that shows you how much space on the rootfs each package is using May 19 18:08:39 i feel like such a newbie May 19 18:08:51 i mean, i've used linux for years, but never really got familiar with *debian* May 19 18:08:57 lol May 19 18:09:11 i was always a gentoo man myself May 19 18:09:13 and i know that from a normal perspective, it probably makes more sense than gentoo May 19 18:09:41 /var/portage/distfiles May 19 18:09:45 but i just had to ask how to delete distfiles... May 19 18:09:49 heh May 19 18:10:01 i read your mind May 19 18:10:52 i should get more familar with debian; always seeing broken ubuntu boxen May 19 18:11:50 my root was full I remove some application but only 2.3mb released and made free. why ? how can install my software on opt ?it's automatically installed on root May 19 18:11:59 I removed themes May 19 18:12:04 python May 19 18:12:20 that it said is 27mb but only 2.3 mb released May 19 18:12:48 mintux, run the command i told BCMM to run May 19 18:13:03 rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb May 19 18:13:07 as root May 19 18:13:35 i'd actually noticed that that directory was huge, but assumed it was necessary May 19 18:13:47 also, they should really have that automatically clean itself May 19 18:14:07 BCMM: it does, old uninstalled packages are removed. live packages aren't. for reasons that, as i said, escape me.. May 19 18:14:11 thats what apt-get clean does May 19 18:14:23 PhonicUK: srsly its safe to just use apt-get clean. and no need for gainroot or anything, since user can sudo apt-get May 19 18:15:31 rather safer i mean May 19 18:15:31 PhonicUK: there is no package on that path May 19 18:17:52 disconnect I did apt-get auto remove auto-clean delete themes some softwares and cache not any change I only 2.3 mb free May 19 18:18:47 try apt-get clean. not auto-clean. May 19 18:18:59 thats why i said "apt-get clean" and didn't say "apt-get auto-clean" May 19 18:19:34 http://linux.die.net/man/8/apt-get May 19 18:19:53 "Like clean, autoclean clears out the local repository of retrieved package files. The difference is that it only removes package files that can no longer be downloaded, and are largely useless. This allows a cache to be maintained over a long period without it growing out of control." May 19 18:21:08 * pupnik worries when to buy a spare n900 just in case the world goes all to hell May 19 18:22:12 ha my wife and I were talking about that just a few hours ago May 19 18:22:45 but I still don't have a first n900 May 19 18:23:09 but it gets delivered today should be here any minute May 19 18:23:15 I'm quite excited May 19 18:23:56 congratulations! May 19 18:24:09 i've almost worn through one May 19 18:24:35 clean your fingers before using. and don't blast the speakers all day. May 19 18:24:36 thunderfest: gratz then and happy configuring :) the n900 is one hell of a monster :D May 19 18:25:05 so after an apocalypse do you think the fm transmitter would prove useful? May 19 18:25:17 thunderfest: I bought yesterday May 19 18:25:47 I've been using the n810 for a few years now May 19 18:25:58 I'm happy to finally upgrade May 19 18:26:01 thunderfest: the range is 4-5m, so probably not. May 19 18:26:04 thunderfest: are you linux user? May 19 18:26:19 minutx: of course May 19 18:26:30 * RST38h cackles while cleaning N900 with the ultimate cleaning agent May 19 18:27:26 and quite a good programmer my wife and I are hoping to crank out some games for you guys May 19 18:29:18 I can't edit the "phonenumber" labels in the contact list, right? May 19 18:31:05 Not on the N900 May 19 18:31:11 wutr: I saw some folks on talk whining about that so maybe not May 19 18:33:29 haha May 19 18:33:43 Has anyone had any luck installing both the maemo 4 and 5 SDK scratchbox setups on one development machine May 19 18:34:24 well, I just synced my e65 with the N900 and I noticed the nice label titles I made are gone, so yeah, I miss it May 19 18:34:44 but I'll figure something out :)! May 19 18:35:09 Hi May 19 18:36:03 I want to get started deving for the n900 as soon as it comes ... but I'm wondering if I might need to removed the scratchbox I have already setup for my n810 I have a feeling they are going to conflict May 19 18:36:54 I'm sorry to keep spaming this question here but no one has responded to it yet May 19 18:37:59 I guess I'll have to make a forum post and wait around for a response...or just try it and the hope that I can fix things and that they will not get to tangled May 19 18:38:36 you could try it on a virtual machine first? May 19 18:39:20 excellent suggestion! May 19 18:40:07 :D May 19 18:40:25 but that will sort of take a little while May 19 18:41:07 I was really hoping some had already tried and could just give me a heads up about where there might be issues May 19 18:41:13 but I guess not May 19 18:41:17 true, but if it's likely to get tangled it would take way longer to fix it again or to set it up all over May 19 18:41:25 haha maybe.. without noticing May 19 18:42:08 did all the n810 devs just give up on the device once they got n900s May 19 18:42:23 test 123 May 19 18:42:40 they didn't get a n900, its a step backward May 19 18:42:59 why do you say that? May 19 18:43:15 because of all the plastic? May 19 18:43:25 i see it so. i have a n810 and didn't get a n900. May 19 18:44:19 thunderfest, you say you are quite a good developer. can you maybe give me some advice on where to start? I have some basic (visual) c# skills and I decided to switch to c++ (the standard (ansi?), not visual for now) May 19 18:44:28 ukeyboard doesn't install it siad hildon-im-fkb >= 3.9.61-1 needs May 19 18:44:56 well if you don't have a n900 how can you be sure it really is a step back..perhaps it would grow on you if you had it? May 19 18:45:22 what sort of advice are you looking for? May 19 18:45:51 c++ is IMHO definitely the way to go May 19 18:46:42 the c++ programming language by bjarne stroustrup is kinda the standard reference for the language May 19 18:46:52 but it can be pretty dense at times May 19 18:47:42 wutr are you wanting to dev for the n900 or just in general? May 19 18:47:58 I figured... Well, as you might expect from someone who comes from C# and windows forms + visual studio, I'd like to create visual applications (also for N900) May 19 18:49:25 well in that case I would recommend trying your hand at python first before jumping into c++ May 19 18:50:17 allright.. why exactly? May 19 18:50:25 python is pretty nice as it lets you think about problems instead of memory management. May 19 18:50:43 gui's are pretty micky mouse to get going May 19 18:51:14 I need hildon-im-fkb (>= 3.9.61-1) does any body know how can I find it May 19 18:51:23 MohammadAG: do you now anything about ^ May 19 18:51:56 yay! I thought about that too, but I think I might have done that part already with C# May 19 18:52:01 and it runs fast enough as long as the libraries your calling are fast May 19 18:52:11 hey guys, is there any way (with dbus?) to get the current phone mode (2G,3G...) ? May 19 18:53:01 argh May 19 18:53:10 mintux, ukeyboard? PR1.2 May 19 18:53:34 MohammadAG: yes I need it May 19 18:53:42 but it said it need that package May 19 18:53:55 if you really want to start with c++ I'd suggest ignoring gtk at first and instead using something like SDL May 19 18:53:56 but the previous version installed May 19 18:55:05 wait for PR1.2 :) May 19 18:55:10 big difference in difficulty? May 19 18:55:20 MohammadAG: until when ? May 19 18:55:26 SDL make it pretty dead simple to create a window...but past that there is no widgets or anything...but you can pretty quickly the lazy foo tutorials May 19 18:55:51 MohammadAG: so after that do I have persian layout for my keyboard? May 19 18:56:13 or install http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/ukeyboard/2.2-4/ May 19 18:57:05 but widgets is kind of what modern smartphones are about in daily use May 19 18:57:21 is / are / whatever May 19 18:57:25 I suppose May 19 18:58:11 SDL is pretty game dev oriented so it's more fun to play with than GTK May 19 18:58:52 the advantage of SDL is, that is very lowlevel = fast, and cross platform. May 19 18:59:20 and it is pretty easy to use plus quite portable...say for instance you want to turn your program into an iphone app May 19 18:59:26 well I'd love to do gamedeveloping at some point, but for now that's a whole different world May 19 18:59:47 go on... May 19 18:59:59 start with a game like simon May 19 19:00:16 four buttons four sounds and thats pretty much it May 19 19:00:33 how to clean my tmp ? May 19 19:00:50 I want to download something but it said you don't have enough room May 19 19:01:23 I like that advice :) May 19 19:01:49 but, gtk or qt for widgets right? May 19 19:02:03 the best advice is just to code and then keep coding, practice its the only way to get better May 19 19:02:13 or actually some sort of window / desktop like development May 19 19:02:35 wutr: depends if you need menus and so on. if you need only something in a rectangle displayed, gtk or qt or overkill, if you need menus than sdl is a pain. May 19 19:02:48 but it's hard to continue when you keep on googling stuff that seems so simple May 19 19:03:07 ah May 19 19:03:34 yeah fro lots of gadgets gkt or qt and really you should pry pick qt since it is own by nokia May 19 19:04:41 well thats the thing just googling and reading through simple things isn't going to make you any better you just have to code yourself May 19 19:06:04 that actually makes a lot of sense May 19 19:06:59 mIRC beta... May 19 19:07:17 wow it even messed up my nickname May 19 19:09:02 thunderfest: can you repeat the last you said? May 19 19:09:17 well thats the thing just googling and reading through simple things isn't going to make you any better you just have to code yourself May 19 19:12:01 ok didn't miss that, maybe something else then.. May 19 19:18:38 hi, I have tried OBS for fremantl, but build.obs.maemo.org requires account, how can I create it? May 19 19:18:53 oh I can see the UPS man pulling down my block its time to get my n900 yeah! May 19 19:19:53 ups wagon catches fire, you loose May 19 19:20:08 awwww crap May 19 19:20:33 i got rachel stevens pregnant May 19 19:20:57 oh he passed my house I hope he's coming back! May 19 19:21:14 heh May 19 19:21:22 hah May 19 19:21:32 he's delivering it to some old lady down the street May 19 19:21:58 hahaha so she can get it to work and can flame the fourms May 19 19:22:09 can't* May 19 19:22:34 nope. she wont be home, so they leave it on the doorstep. and which the mailman will take it May 19 19:27:24 oh shit here he comes May 19 19:28:36 his GPS device just ran him into a ditch May 19 19:28:47 is it possible to display the N900 screen on computer May 19 19:28:48 all the packages smashed on the floor May 19 19:29:05 out of the corner of your eye, you see a glint of sunlight May 19 19:29:30 i dont have big TV. want to use sixaxis controller to play on computer monitor May 19 19:29:34 moving the long grass out of the way you find the n900 May 19 19:29:46 trumee, use n900 May 19 19:29:47 trumee: then n900 has tv-out May 19 19:30:10 johnsq: dont have a TV :( May 19 19:30:32 lcuk: N900 screen is a bit small May 19 19:30:57 my "computer monitor" has a composite input so it works as long as you have that ;) May 19 19:31:02 also sixaxis needs a kernel flash. does that void the warranty May 19 19:31:13 trumee, mm? May 19 19:31:18 you can plug into big screen May 19 19:31:22 or just use n900 as remote May 19 19:31:26 with odx :D May 19 19:31:28 Kegetys: i have only analog and dvi input May 19 19:31:29 odz even May 19 19:32:20 lcuk, there is nothing like video over usb? May 19 19:33:02 why not just use the computer if you have one (I assume you do if you have a monitor as well) May 19 19:33:46 its not like maemo has alot of exclusive games ;) May 19 19:33:54 trumee, no, but if you tape your n900 to glasses you get an uber VR display (and some minor headaches) May 19 19:34:57 lcuk: crazy!! May 19 19:35:21 Kegetys: thats a thought May 19 19:35:47 unboxing is so much fun! May 19 19:36:09 thunderfest: what are you unboxing? May 19 19:36:36 I just got a n900 May 19 19:36:41 what is the widget called where the dialog pops up from the bottom? May 19 19:36:52 is there any way to record drnoksnes video May 19 19:37:01 :D thunderfest May 19 19:37:16 kdubois: you mean a dialog. it's just called a dialog. e.g. a QDialog if it's Qt. May 19 19:37:25 thanks Shapeshifter May 19 19:37:38 something like recordmydesktop May 19 19:37:39 kdubois: some other things also pop up from the bottom. e.g. comboboxes May 19 19:38:00 Shapeshifter: there's a yo-momma joke in there somewhere ;) May 19 19:38:11 right, i just want the 'base' pop up from the bottom thing. i tried a selector, didnt do what i needed though May 19 19:38:55 google just opened vp8 May 19 19:39:02 Disconnect: :P May 19 19:39:12 thunderfest: cool May 19 19:42:14 is there a trick to getting the back cover off? May 19 19:42:39 thunderfest: couple drinks, maybe a movie May 19 19:42:40 brute force May 19 19:42:51 oh wait i'm still thinking of Shapeshifter's mom ;) May 19 19:42:53 ha May 19 19:43:03 just stick your thumbnail in the slot and pry. like shapeshifter's dad ;) May 19 19:43:50 xD May 19 19:50:22 http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/229391665 - sort of on-topic (NOT WORKSAFE) May 19 19:58:10 thunderfest, in case you didnt break it yet: use a credit card May 19 19:58:28 and congrats on your new n900, have fun =) May 19 19:58:50 thunderfest, easiest of all - stylus, extract from device, pop into fingernail slot and twist a tiny bit :) May 19 19:58:53 comes right off May 19 19:59:00 * lcuk has no fingernails so has never tried May 19 19:59:03 any other way May 19 19:59:25 about 2inches in :D May 19 19:59:27 * Arkenoi just upgraded to -32 kernel, no issues with "stuck at high frequency" so far May 19 19:59:38 lcuk: You lost them in a horrific bear attack? May 19 20:00:13 if bears live in helsinki then perhaps May 19 20:00:18 but no, i bite my nails May 19 20:05:35 damn lost my vkbd. May 19 20:06:33 * trumee going for a reboo May 19 20:06:46 * trumee *t May 19 20:07:48 ~ping May 19 20:07:49 ~pong May 19 20:12:03 nope rebooting didnt help, still no vkbd :( May 19 20:17:10 interesting, not much traffic on the forum about webm. May 19 20:18:16 wem? May 19 20:18:17 webm? May 19 20:18:32 Stskeeps: vp8 opensource released May 19 20:18:40 ah May 19 20:18:47 well start a thread.. May 19 20:22:11 even with ARM and TI support, without intel or nokia though May 19 20:22:28 trumee, try adding the devel-extra's repo, removing and reinstalling the vkbd extra languages package May 19 20:22:54 their library has even arm/neon optimized assembler May 19 20:23:42 trumee, also try disabling/reenabling the vkbd in settings May 19 20:23:52 i had to mess around with a bunch of stuff to get mine to work again May 19 20:24:04 otoh the decoder is slower than ffmpeg h264 decoder on x86_64 and the visiul quality is somewhere between xvid and vc1 May 19 20:25:04 somebody has the link ready for the maemo ui psd thingy? :o May 19 20:25:04 janneg, but maybe it's existance will scare h264 into being completely royalty free May 19 20:25:23 wishful thinking May 19 20:26:02 there's probably a significant number of h264 patents which applies to vp8 May 19 20:26:21 :o found it :) May 19 20:26:22 and possibly vice-versa May 19 20:26:24 tripzero: enabling/disabling vkbd didn't help. May 19 20:26:53 trumee: try installing/reinstalling the extra languages pack for the keyboard May 19 20:26:56 i forget the package name May 19 20:27:04 tripzero: ok May 19 20:27:30 tripzero: ukeyboard? May 19 20:27:47 sounds close May 19 20:28:32 javispedro: saw my comment on the thread? May 19 20:28:39 yep May 19 20:29:03 we'll see what gets out of this May 19 20:29:07 yeah.. May 19 20:31:04 Hi May 19 20:31:31 there are several mmcblk files in /dev, which one is the card? May 19 20:32:53 N900? May 19 20:33:00 /dev/mmcblk1 May 19 20:33:04 p1 for partition 1 May 19 20:33:37 oh May 19 20:33:54 and what are the others? Is there a specification for this? May 19 20:34:10 where can I set it to stop clicking everytime I touch the screen May 19 20:34:50 thunderfest_: settings -> input I think May 19 20:36:29 yep. It's the motor, isn't it? May 19 20:36:45 I only have settings -> text input ... no input May 19 20:37:01 what the latest firmware version May 19 20:37:13 the one you have May 19 20:37:14 also, May 19 20:37:17 settings -> display May 19 20:38:39 uh... May 19 20:39:45 i put my card in, mounted, /media/mmc1/ empty, i fscked it, and put the card out, and then, the fs acts like the card is in, all the files are there May 19 20:40:30 *embrassed* May 19 20:40:52 my MyDocs looks suspiciously simmiliar to my card, okay? May 19 20:41:16 alright I went to settings-> display and turned off "touch screen vibration" but I'm still hearing a small click sound I touch the screen May 19 20:42:09 thunderfest_: I think there is a seperate click setting May 19 20:42:12 now go to settings -> profile May 19 20:42:13 s May 19 20:42:42 MohammadAG: that seems to be mydocs for me May 19 20:42:50 ok I see thank javispedro May 19 20:43:09 /dev/mmcblk0p1 is MyDocs, blk1p1 is the MMC May 19 20:44:53 *sigh*, I *am* stupid. Thank you May 19 20:45:10 we know May 19 20:45:19 but at least you know as well May 19 20:45:31 MohammadAG: I could not success to install that package . each time it needs a package and some packages installed and some not . I leave it May 19 20:45:41 : May 19 20:45:43 :) May 19 20:45:54 If I want to port a gtk application but it requries a much recent version of gtk+ then thats in extra-devel. What would be the best approach? May 19 20:46:11 Someone said something about hildon patches but didnt explain May 19 20:46:13 Appiah: well, see if it compiles May 19 20:46:16 Appiah, find out what it needs and why May 19 20:46:27 mintux, disable -devel and install it, then enable -devel if you really want it May 19 20:46:28 it does not , says i require 2.16 and maemo got 2.14 May 19 20:46:28 Appiah: and if it doesn't fix it May 19 20:46:39 there is usually some hildonisation required anyway May 19 20:46:43 Appiah: well, that's 1st thing to fix May 19 20:46:50 MohammadAG: hmm so I triy again May 19 20:46:52 just change it to 14 and see if it builds May 19 20:46:53 Appiah: change requred version to 2.14 May 19 20:46:57 oh May 19 20:47:15 it *might* be using some function new to the build May 19 20:47:17 but whats with the hildonpatches? i did not get that May 19 20:47:23 but oftentimes apps dont bother May 19 20:47:29 that's not important at the moment May 19 20:47:44 javispedro: erm, those doom timedemos time-out exactly the same at 600mhz :/ -- i had to compile time command and make a test loop May 19 20:47:58 hildon is a set of functions and extra widgets that sit in better with tablet UX. just try native gtk first and get that working May 19 20:48:12 i was sure doom used system time to get the realtks May 19 20:48:15 then afterwards you can decide to change and alter it to be hildonised May 19 20:48:21 alright May 19 20:48:26 pupnik: this is dos we're talking about... May 19 20:48:26 thanks , I'll see what I can do May 19 20:48:53 well i was wrong. now i am getting real numbers, i hope. need to repeat the test a few times May 19 20:49:09 pupnik, doom time demos :D May 19 20:50:52 it took me a couple of hours just to write this script May 19 20:51:04 eep May 19 20:54:26 * javispedro ponders what are they exactly bothering zodttd for May 19 20:58:15 DocScrutinizer, do you know german? May 19 20:58:32 a little ;-D May 19 20:59:10 "A young mother died after doctors repeatedly failed to spot a six-inch long toilet brush handle embedded in her buttock" May 19 21:00:38 *blink* May 19 21:01:41 javispedro: who is bothering zodttd about what? i was kind of hoping for some progress with psx gpu accel that was communicated to me in 2008 May 19 21:01:58 well but he said he has software rasterizers only May 19 21:02:05 oh well May 19 21:02:19 right, he didn't even say *he* was doing a gpu, just this guy he knew (at least to me) May 19 21:02:44 so that dude apparently didn't get it working May 19 21:03:40 * RST38h sighs and gets PSP4All sources. May 19 21:06:41 psx4all I think you mean :) and then iirc it's already on extras-devel May 19 21:18:15 how can i chamge keyboard layout? May 19 21:18:46 there was a app for that May 19 21:19:28 in extra? May 19 21:19:45 yep May 19 21:20:50 dont know name of that? May 19 21:21:15 Dont remember May 19 21:21:48 i looking for it in desktop? May 19 21:22:19 hi! How to set button background color? I wanna set color almost like black, for example, USSD pad uses non-standard color May 19 21:28:16 afternoon, folks May 19 21:30:43 Has anyone here tried the new beta SDK on Arch Linux, by any chance? May 19 21:42:41 is here anybody using easydeb and also having an issue with keeping the sim-card online? May 19 21:43:26 data or regular cell connection? May 19 21:43:34 regular cell connection May 19 21:44:18 but could also be my sim... it behaved a lil odd the past days, but i figured it happened now twice after starting either OO.O or lxde from easydeb May 19 21:45:28 /delurk May 19 21:45:36 here's what I'm working on: http://drp.ly/1207ep + http://drp.ly/12bH60 May 19 21:45:58 I have to set up shop on Maemo still, but no reason it wouldn't run there, too. May 19 21:46:05 (it's a cross-platform base library for porting stuff around.) May 19 21:46:19 at least i can't remember having had read something about that... if that issue is somewhere already mentioned then i didn't read that May 19 21:47:21 millenomi: what does your app exactly do? can't figure it out by the two screenshots >.< May 19 21:47:29 that's just a unit test runner May 19 21:47:33 but it's running the same code underneath May 19 21:47:38 which is what it counts :) May 19 21:47:40 SpeedEvil: getting user input during boot is not so difficult after all... May 19 21:47:51 wi May 19 21:47:52 ? May 19 21:48:21 remember? you helped me last WE. May 19 21:48:38 yes - I was wondering what you'd found. May 19 21:49:29 it's just the way upstart works. as soon as you make other scripts in the process depend on a signal you send from your script the boot process won't continue as long as you didn't send the signal: May 19 21:50:03 /etc/event.d/cryptsetup: initctl emit CRYPT_OK; /etc/event.d/xomap: start on CRYPT_OK May 19 21:51:22 http://github.com/millenomi/argyle <--- code May 19 21:51:22 ah May 19 21:51:27 and back to lurking. May 19 21:52:12 tty control and keyboard seem to be fully operational during boot May 19 21:52:20 http://summel.de/stuff/maemo-theme.png *want* May 19 22:05:19 pupnik: jfyi it seems that my sim seems to be rather "broken" May 19 22:06:55 achaa May 19 22:08:34 http://conversations.nokia.com/design-by-community/ May 19 22:08:53 any 3D gurus to assist me in beating nokia designers? :) May 19 22:09:43 why? May 19 22:09:49 I can provide an original for 3d modelling, of a bit of wood with nails in. May 19 22:10:15 SpeedEvil: that will work :D May 19 22:10:28 summel: because it's fun? :) May 19 22:10:43 :D it rather beat up the developers :P May 19 22:11:11 summel: noone beats designers. that's why they are so lazy :) May 19 22:11:16 :D May 19 22:11:25 im a designer :o thats why :P May 19 22:11:31 idont work for noki athough May 19 22:12:11 it's going to be tough for nokia to decide what to focus on now May 19 22:12:21 but thats THEIR fault May 19 22:12:23 -_- May 19 22:13:06 Upgradeable imagine sensor? May 19 22:13:11 Surround sound?! May 19 22:13:14 What a sham indeed. May 19 22:13:29 GAN900: well yeah, some of the stats are plain stupid :) May 19 22:13:56 GAN900: kinetic power booster especially :D May 19 22:14:14 i want a flux capacitor :o May 19 22:16:44 summel, those are out of stock, we are going collecting some new ones last week May 19 22:16:51 :D May 19 22:16:55 GAN900: it seems any real useful stuff, like ovi free navigation - is immediately taken for granted by the phone user world May 19 22:16:57 damn I wish I could be a god in 3D modeling :( May 19 22:17:28 wazd, draw front face, draw back face, draw top and bottom May 19 22:17:35 print out and tape around a block May 19 22:18:04 forget modelling, do what you are good at :) May 19 22:18:06 lcuk: that would be a new iPhone I guess :) May 19 22:18:35 it could be any modile device from the last 20 years May 19 22:18:39 mobile May 19 22:19:00 if your drawings all look like iphone, perhaps its you that needs retraining ;) May 19 22:24:42 "Kinetic power booster"?? May 19 22:25:05 What's next, earth magnetic field inverter? May 19 22:25:11 :D May 19 22:26:49 GAN900: The image sensor is upgradable. May 19 22:27:05 GAN900: It's a simple pop out old sensor, pop in new sensor job. May 19 22:27:49 "Open source operating system with unlimited multitasking. May 19 22:27:49 The DbC OS 1 sports temperature and location sensors so your device constantly monitors your whereabouts and the local conditions." May 19 22:29:32 man the modded wii so great May 19 22:29:38 is so May 19 22:29:40 heh May 19 22:31:58 SpeedEvil, yeah, but the cost and size increase. May 19 22:32:34 GAN900: ? May 19 22:34:37 ha May 19 22:34:44 SpeedEvil: got my n900 replaced May 19 22:35:45 :) May 19 22:36:08 if I have a proxy in the connections setting for http and https, isn't the connection supposed to send all the http/s requests automatically using the proxy? May 19 22:36:15 SpeedEvil: called again and said 'accidentally it dropped to the toilet, now it doesnt switch on anymore' May 19 22:36:31 ah. May 19 22:36:43 Insurance fraud. Good fun for all the family. May 19 22:36:54 it wasnt a fraud. May 19 22:36:57 ioan: yes - but it doesn't. May 19 22:36:58 it actually did drop May 19 22:37:01 to the toilet ;d May 19 22:37:09 matthew-: Accidentally? May 19 22:37:10 SpeedEvil, thanks May 19 22:37:37 SpeedEvil: yep May 19 22:37:42 SpeedEvil: fell from my pocket May 19 22:38:14 SpeedEvil: is there a way to force this? how do I force an application to use the proxy? May 19 22:43:15 Do photos only auto-rotate from the Photos application? May 19 22:43:42 opdf2: no they also rotate from the text editor :o May 19 22:44:17 Is there anyway to enable auto-rotation when viewing photos from the File Manager? May 19 22:45:14 not sure May 19 22:49:25 ioan: As far as I know, no. May 19 22:49:50 ioan: Well - barring iptables based stuff. May 19 22:52:30 hey all May 19 22:52:55 9.5 days uptime, woo! May 19 22:53:36 crezy May 19 22:54:12 i wanna get to 14 days May 19 22:54:33 used the browser at all? May 19 22:54:43 yup May 19 22:54:47 often May 19 22:55:13 has it gotten slower? May 19 22:55:30 yup May 19 22:56:00 esp when playing video May 19 22:56:02 hope we didn't offend him May 19 22:56:58 i saw another person with an N900 today. May 19 22:57:06 first time ever May 19 22:57:32 :) May 19 22:57:54 i never see em in germany. plenty in finland. :) May 19 22:57:59 germans are lame May 19 22:58:06 Are you sure you weren't just walking past a mirror? May 19 22:58:21 :) May 19 22:58:36 it was on a bus May 19 22:58:59 eastern looking fellow May 19 22:59:04 ISA or PCI? May 19 22:59:05 I've never seen another N900 in the wild. May 19 22:59:33 ISA, it was really slow :p May 19 23:00:08 i know a guy at work who has one too but that doesn't count May 19 23:04:17 i wonder what the record for n900 uptime is. May 19 23:06:23 PhonicUK, we can find out :) start a thread about it May 19 23:06:58 indeed! May 19 23:17:47 on the n900 can you change the "You:" in those sms conversation to something else (name or icon/avatar)? May 19 23:28:51 pigeon, there's a thread pointing out how to customize it May 19 23:29:12 on talk.maemo.org? May 19 23:29:18 yeah May 19 23:29:24 ok, thanks. May 19 23:30:48 pigeon, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36618 May 19 23:42:12 hey mohammed nice work on the usb stuff :) May 19 23:43:29 o_O: maemo coding competition http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=666806#post666806 May 19 23:43:46 We really need a tame kernel hacker to step up and fix the code. May 19 23:43:51 Stuff is progressing though. May 19 23:44:52 is the repository for the nokia binaries broken? oO May 19 23:47:38 summel, it's working here May 19 23:47:54 hm i always get errors :( May 19 23:47:57 lcuk, don't do it! It has 666 in the post number, it's a trap! May 19 23:48:50 so u managed to get a usb stick working? May 19 23:49:36 with help from DocScrutinizer, javispedro and t-tan :) May 19 23:49:56 the interesting part is that they put in the icon in there May 19 23:49:59 now who sells adapters? :D May 19 23:50:02 ohwhyme: Basically at this point getting USB whatever isn't really hard. May 19 23:50:11 clearly, host mode was removed quite, quite late May 19 23:50:20 ah May 19 23:50:26 that is good to hear May 19 23:50:26 ohwhyme: The problem is that it initially requires plugging into a PC to set it up. May 19 23:50:43 Which defeats the purpose of On The Go atm May 19 23:50:44 ohwhyme: Work is ongoing on fixing the kernel to make it work 'properly' May 19 23:50:45 there is this big contest from nokia too http://www.callingallinnovators.com/ May 19 23:50:48 (even thought it's not OTG) May 19 23:50:59 ah so its possible? May 19 23:51:10 looks like a lot of progress has been made May 19 23:51:14 ohwhyme: yes. May 19 23:52:19 ohwhyme: Some of it is illusory - largely. There is little concrete progress from detecting a USB products IDs - which was doneover a week ago, to plugging in a hard disk today. May 19 23:52:36 ohwhyme: It's more understanding the limits of the current method, and working out how to get round it May 19 23:53:02 I would be surprised if it's not working before christmas though. May 19 23:53:08 by reading the thread, it seems a little too sophisticated for me hehe May 19 23:53:10 Maybe sooner. :) May 19 23:54:41 SpeedEvil, I wouldn't be surprised if someone got it working in a week :P May 19 23:55:04 Indeed. May 19 23:55:13 so how do you guys connect a usb stick to it? do u have to have a usb hub? May 19 23:55:15 * SpeedEvil has learned not to be too optimistic with deadlines. May 19 23:55:27 ohwhyme: at the moment, that's one way. May 19 23:55:46 ohwhyme: The USB port can also supplyy small amounts of power. May 19 23:56:59 i would still pay someone to make a maemo theme based on my mockup :o May 19 23:57:02 good morning May 19 23:57:22 ohwhyme: at the moment, that's one way. May 19 23:57:22 ohwhyme: If the 'a week' above is accurate - that would mean that USB devices could be plugged in and would work. But it does not mean that they would work well, or the UI would be easy to use. May 19 23:57:27 Didn't use a hub here May 19 23:57:30 all you have to do is to kill all power saving phy features from the twl3040 driver and assorted nokia patches everywhere, write a few registers via ulpi (and you even have a helper function available) upon forced switch to host, and that's about May 19 23:57:33 but I did raise the power output May 19 23:57:46 thats true would u have to copy stuff via terminal then? May 19 23:57:47 javispedro: Exactly. May 19 23:57:49 SpeedEvil: at least hildon-fm support is there, which is what surprised me from MohammadAG's est May 19 23:58:09 ohwhyme: Not quite - it seems that the filemanager supports external drives for example. May 19 23:58:12 ke-recv is oss iirc, so automounting of usb mass storage devices is reachable May 19 23:58:24 ohwhyme: It's unlikely keyboards or mice would fare quite so well. May 19 23:58:53 For example, keyboards are likely to still need shift to get to numbers - even though they have actual real numbers. May 19 23:59:00 yep May 19 23:59:01 And mice might not have visible pointers. May 19 23:59:07 also yep :) May 19 23:59:25 javispedro, I found that out by mistake tbh May 19 23:59:39 USB keyboard would be good to try though. May 19 23:59:45 both work if you open a properly configured second X server, then use displaylink to show it =) May 19 23:59:49 See if it does the same as a bluetooth May 19 23:59:51 umounted the memory card, and mounted the flash on /media/mmc1 May 19 23:59:59 and it said SANDISK May 20 00:00:05 expected it to say Memory Card May 20 00:00:25 it gets mount points via gvfs or gnomevfs May 20 00:00:28 same as older nautilus May 20 00:00:32 then I unmounted and created a dir in /media (slightly similar to nautilus) May 20 00:00:46 isn't the new nautilus the same? May 20 00:00:59 i'm still with lenny May 20 00:01:09 oh, Debian May 20 00:01:14 never got that to install May 20 00:01:25 the modules for loading my drivers aren't present for some reason May 20 00:03:26 MohammadAG: oh, thanks a lot. May 20 00:03:37 nw :) May 20 00:04:23 http://summel.de/stuff/maemo-theme.png *want want want* ;_; May 20 00:04:37 changing icons? May 20 00:04:43 did anybody do that? May 20 00:05:11 it is possible May 20 00:05:45 oh, I'm sure. May 20 00:05:54 /usr/share/icons/hicolor May 20 00:06:01 but i'm not sure if the amount of work is within a single human's reach. May 20 00:06:20 wow that looks amazing May 20 00:06:35 afaik it uses different res icons May 20 00:06:41 instead of one resizable one May 20 00:06:43 ohwhyme: thx :D i wish i knew how to actually myke it :D May 20 00:06:46 which is imo, stupid :P May 20 00:06:49 haha May 20 00:07:09 but i will look into it May 20 00:07:17 actually i have another idea for a theme May 20 00:07:31 and if i learn how to make themes i will make 2 :) May 20 00:07:59 -if + when May 20 00:08:09 MohammadAG: like most older linux distros; performance reasons May 20 00:08:15 little though has been put in icon rendering speed May 20 00:08:33 (see year old haiku benchmarks) May 20 00:09:06 hmm May 20 00:09:13 does that mean my packages use more resources? May 20 00:09:20 I use one big image in /usr/share/pixmaps May 20 00:09:28 and it resizes correctly May 20 00:10:02 you mean for application icon? May 20 00:12:58 ohwhyme: http://summel.de/stuff/screenshot.png :D May 20 00:13:18 is that adium? May 20 00:13:23 yes May 20 00:14:22 javispedro, yes May 20 00:14:36 well, it's usually rendered in 64x64 only for n900 May 20 00:14:50 it's resized well May 20 00:14:57 for the menu and the homescreen shortcuts May 20 00:16:16 summel: where'd you get that background?? DO WANT! (sidenote: I like adium for OSX :) ) May 20 00:16:39 Gizmokid2005: uhm cant remember but i will upload it in a sec May 20 00:17:05 summel: it looks like it changes per day?? May 20 00:17:27 :o no just the date time and battery info updates May 20 00:18:49 summel: ahhh, ok. Still neat. Since my mac doesn't like to keep my background for me, I just use the default. Been looking for something new...though I do like the one my desktop has May 20 00:20:05 summel: http://gizmokid2005.com/images/desktop.png (NOT <256K friendly) May 20 00:20:41 hmm neat but to... busy :D May 20 00:20:48 freenode crashed :P May 20 00:20:49 as in distracting May 20 00:20:54 which part? All the icons or the image itself? May 20 00:21:01 the image May 20 00:21:13 meh Gizmokid2005 get the central core updating live via vnc as you use the device and then we are talking ;) May 20 00:21:59 summel: ahh yeah, I don't usually see it though, I always have windows covering it...but I had a picture from a buddy of red clouds and I liked the N900 image, and I like the way the two blend. I will agree, it can be a bit busy May 20 00:22:05 Lol lcuk May 20 00:22:29 im serious. it would be simple to get it looking right and be such a cool thing May 20 00:22:36 what im app u using gizmo? May 20 00:22:41 thats a mammoth desktop you have May 20 00:22:54 summel: want to point out where u got the theme for adium :D May 20 00:23:02 * SpeedEvil uses 1024x768 laptop May 20 00:23:05 ohwhyme: on which platform? May 20 00:23:06 puhlease May 20 00:23:06 ohwhyme: adiumxtras.com xD May 20 00:23:11 (I would like 1400*1050) May 20 00:23:15 lcuk: yeah, dual 19" wides May 20 00:23:22 I'd like more vertical, but I deal. May 20 00:23:23 Gizmokid2005: summel.de/stuff/wallpaper.zip May 20 00:23:32 Gizmokid2005, i have a stack May 20 00:23:33 ohwhyme: its called gotham iirc May 20 00:23:39 ill look it up May 20 00:23:43 i dont know how i'd feel about horiz May 20 00:23:52 ah no May 20 00:23:54 ty summel May 20 00:23:57 theme is called pretty simple May 20 00:24:02 but i modified it a bit May 20 00:24:03 Gizmokid2005: Can I sign you up for my group 'I want 4:3 LCDs, and I'm getting my pitchfork and burning torch!' May 20 00:24:13 ohwhyme: I use Pidgin on Windows and adium on OSX May 20 00:24:18 ah May 20 00:24:22 status icons are called Status Extensions White May 20 00:24:26 thanks :) May 20 00:24:31 menu icon is iChat 4 May 20 00:24:38 dock icon is gotham May 20 00:24:38 :D May 20 00:25:05 message style elegant simple May 20 00:26:33 status extensions: is that WhiteSquares? May 20 00:26:47 err one sec May 20 00:27:02 "status extensions white" May 20 00:27:16 thats the AVA and AWY etc on the right May 20 00:27:50 hmm May 20 00:27:53 well wtf...why doesn't Xephyr give me a terminal... May 20 00:28:10 and how the hell do I get it to give me a "power button press" menu like I can get on my device? Maybe I'm just stupid May 20 00:28:21 Hey people! Could you help me pls? May 20 00:28:48 i wanna create a blog for maemo develop, but i don't have a name. Any suggestion??? May 20 00:29:10 tuliobaars: n900bs.com May 20 00:29:54 soory, but it is for the Fremantle platform ported to N810! May 20 00:30:13 so its for all maemo devicas, and moblin, meego, whatever! May 20 00:30:51 HandHeld develop blog. Any name suggestion??? May 20 00:30:55 I suggest qkwv.com. May 20 00:31:03 The domain is available at only $500. May 20 00:31:04 i don't have time for a site, so... May 20 00:31:07 :) May 20 00:31:22 * SpeedEvil ponders. May 20 00:31:57 I suppose you ideally want something not tied to the meego, maemo or n* May 20 00:32:39 sorry, i dunnot understand what you've said May 20 00:33:04 I mean - not n900talk, maemotalk, or ... - but more generic. May 20 00:33:23 hummm May 20 00:33:29 yeah, in that way May 20 00:33:55 i'm a terrible person to create names... May 20 00:35:26 You could always do how I picked my domain name. May 20 00:35:33 Look for ones going cheap on ebay :) May 20 00:37:01 but i'm not going to buy now, i'm going to create one free .tk , huh? Free? May 20 00:38:37 myn900kicksyourassandIhavePR12ohyeah.tk May 20 00:39:10 guaranteed 100000 visitors* when advertised on tmo May 20 00:39:18 *no guarantees about trolls ratio May 20 00:40:03 99999:1 May 20 00:40:51 javispedro May 20 00:40:57 thats not good May 20 00:41:54 i prefer a BIGGER one.... May 20 00:43:26 ihavean810andan900thatkisksyourassassholy-sponsoredbygodaddydotcom-littledomainnamesbydottk-myblog.tk May 20 00:43:29 like that one May 20 00:46:36 * DocScrutinizer burrps May 20 00:47:29 i have a shirt: I (love) SHORT DOMAINS.TK May 20 00:47:43 (help) May 20 00:49:43 * tuliobaars pucks a lot May 20 00:50:24 http://webbax.se/pics/hotgirl.jpg May 20 00:51:08 Armada64: posting links to malware? May 20 00:51:13 nope. May 20 00:51:59 Armada64: they're both very hot for different reasons ;) May 20 00:52:33 :-P true May 20 00:53:10 wtf, a plugin? May 20 00:53:28 swf xD May 20 00:53:40 screwit May 20 00:53:59 I wasn't surprised lol, it was 'loading' an image when ff stopped loading May 20 00:54:20 time for a kickban? May 20 00:54:29 could be! May 20 00:55:02 Armada64: so whom do you think we should kickban then? May 20 00:55:14 * luke-jr votes kick-only for Armada64 May 20 00:55:17 lol the theme maker java application hangs at 1% May 20 00:55:17 yay May 20 00:55:23 <3 java >_> May 20 00:55:55 if i were you i wouldn't kickban me, cause i posted something awesome :p May 20 00:56:20 ... May 20 00:56:39 that didn't exactly help your case, dude May 20 00:57:14 crap :/ May 20 00:57:14 no other votes? May 20 00:57:33 I seem to have lost the login for catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com May 20 00:57:38 bme May 20 00:58:20 and my login-generator script fails on 2.6.33 x.x May 20 01:06:52 I vote pwnage! May 20 01:06:54 What? May 20 01:08:30 hmm May 20 01:08:43 For this is the age of the portable wireless network device. May 20 01:09:00 DocScrutinizer: I change my vote May 20 01:09:06 My vote is now to kick the whole channel May 20 01:09:38 how about just kicking you, less data traffic :-P May 20 01:11:00 * DocScrutinizer kicks a random paper box next to his foot May 20 01:11:35 Smack it with the banhammer as well May 20 01:11:39 take THIS, and THAT May 20 01:12:04 /muteall May 20 01:12:51 GAN900: ok?? May 20 01:13:02 doesn't that mean we need +v? May 20 01:13:04 nvm May 20 01:13:33 MohammadAG: actually yes May 20 01:13:43 you just quieted us all May 20 01:13:50 * MohammadAG sobs May 20 01:14:00 [2010-05-20 03:12:04] /muteall May 20 01:15:14 actualy infobot has +v May 20 01:15:22 dunno why :-P May 20 01:15:40 cause she's a she? May 20 01:15:41 :P May 20 01:23:11 ~attack MohammadAG May 20 01:23:13 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing MohammadAG May 20 01:23:23 :-P May 20 01:23:27 ~nuke DocScrutinizer May 20 01:23:29 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DocScrutinizer ... B☢☢M! May 20 01:23:57 I'm a roach, you won't nuke me :-D May 20 01:23:57 ~botsnack May 20 01:23:57 MohammadAG: thanks May 20 01:24:11 * MohammadAG gets the insecticide May 20 01:24:12 :P May 20 01:25:27 ~ignore MohammadAG May 20 01:25:28 * infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, MohammadAG!" May 20 01:25:48 ever heard of rocket failure? May 20 01:25:49 now if that's not girly May 20 01:25:52 ~nuke infobot May 20 01:25:53 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at infobot ... B☢☢M! May 20 01:26:16 she killed herself, haha :p May 20 01:26:24 infobot sounds like my girlfriend :-P May 20 01:26:44 lol May 20 01:27:01 ~nuke DocScrutinizer May 20 01:27:02 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DocScrutinizer ... B☢☢M! May 20 01:27:35 ~nuke May 20 01:27:36 Cockroach. I win. May 20 01:33:16 mhm opensolaris is fun .. install, find bug .. :P May 20 01:33:41 I'm off May 20 01:33:42 Night all May 20 01:37:40 solaris was fun at times it was called sunOS May 20 01:38:24 actually it became even more fun when it moved to solaris May 20 01:39:34 GAN900: what's p with the devl-devices? May 20 01:39:46 lemme try again... May 20 01:39:55 GAN900: what's up with the devel-devices? May 20 01:41:01 GAN900: talked to javispedro, or the council in general? or to quim? May 20 01:53:59 ~ping May 20 01:54:00 ~pong May 20 01:54:17 aha, at least the bots survived May 20 02:03:48 Does anyone have a link to the carrier settings for fmms? May 20 02:25:36 frals: aaah I see what you were talking bout May 20 02:44:08 Hey When I can the time it goes back to different time zone why? May 20 02:45:29 so does the date? May 20 02:50:31 err, sorry. Fail to decode that. Please rephrase May 20 02:56:34 is there a way around the "playing invalid videos makes mediaplayer unable to play any videos" bug other then rebooting **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 20 03:00:00 2010