**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 22 02:59:57 2010
May 22 05:25:02 <angie> how big is the maemo 5 sdk to download
May 22 05:25:18 <angie> i run linux
May 22 05:25:26 <angie> and i heard its like 2gb?
May 22 05:25:29 <angie> is that correct?
May 22 05:29:22 <valdyn> angie: maybe the vm image is that big
May 22 05:34:38 <angie> does anyone run nitdroid on n900
May 22 05:40:07 <cehteh> nitdroid?
May 22 05:41:03 <cehteh> ah why does one want that?
May 22 05:42:41 <angie> for fun i guess
May 22 06:02:25 <pupnik> kbuildsycoca4(27085) KBuildServiceFactory::populateServiceTypes:  << i hope we never see crap like that
May 22 06:13:33 <luke-jr> pupnik: in other words, supress debug output
May 22 06:14:36 <RST38h> pupnik: Not until Nokia decides to switch to KDE
May 22 06:15:37 <luke-jr> RST38h: that would be awesome
May 22 06:15:48 <luke-jr> Nokia would need to drastically improve the hardware :p
May 22 06:16:01 <luke-jr> after all, MySQL requires like 200 MB disk space alone
May 22 06:16:10 <RST38h> no it won't
May 22 06:16:10 <luke-jr> and KDE requires MySQL
May 22 06:16:29 <RST38h> they will just stuff it onto n900 hardware =)
May 22 06:16:56 <luke-jr> how are you going to magically make MySQL fit?
May 22 06:17:21 <Stskeeps> morn
May 22 06:17:39 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: your 2.6.33 just barely boots as far as I can tell
May 22 06:17:44 <RST38h> luke: MMC
May 22 06:17:46 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: no wifi, not even GPIO
May 22 06:18:05 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: how come i can boot into xfce4 then?
May 22 06:18:18 <Stskeeps> that isn't "barely boots" in my book :)
May 22 06:18:34 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: what can you do useful in xfce4?
May 22 06:18:52 <luke-jr> without networking, without GPS, without basically any connection to the real world
May 22 06:18:59 <Stskeeps> USB networking works?
May 22 06:19:02 <luke-jr> ...
May 22 06:19:06 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: so, if it barely boots, what are you going to do to help that instead of complaining?
May 22 06:19:09 <Stskeeps> :)
May 22 06:19:23 * Stskeeps goes make coffee
May 22 06:19:27 <RST38h> Freeloading users vs stupid cell service provider: http://explorecomputerworld.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-get-free-internet-on-your.html
May 22 06:19:33 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: I hacked gps5300driver to theoretically work with mainline GPIO APIs
May 22 06:19:34 <RST38h> (only in the USA, of course)
May 22 06:19:40 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: it doesn't actually work, but I don't know why not
May 22 06:21:37 <luke-jr> RST38h: my guess is that it's semi-intentional
May 22 06:21:41 <luke-jr> on T-mobile's part
May 22 06:21:58 <luke-jr> (or they'll end up with a huge bill for all that usage)
May 22 06:32:00 <RST38h> luke: I even suspect there is a generic URL for some server inside TMobile which takes external URL as an argument and relays
May 22 06:32:19 <RST38h> luke: Of course these guys do not know that =)
May 22 06:33:15 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: one of my goals for meego n8x0 is to have gps with geoclue too, so we'll figure something out
May 22 06:33:54 <Stskeeps> we can rebuild binaries of the past since we have some people involved who's able to do so
May 22 07:40:47 <pupnik> Singapore has 130% mobile penetration rate, hong kong even more... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators_of_the_Asia_Pacific_region#Singapore
May 22 07:40:52 <pupnik> 139
May 22 07:46:00 <pupnik> i wonder what percentage of the population has a cell phone
May 22 07:47:33 <cehteh> less than 10%?
May 22 07:48:12 <cato`> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Penetrasjon01.PNG
May 22 07:49:09 <pexi> what is that orange country in the middle of europe.. is it somehow important
May 22 07:50:00 <cato`> lol
May 22 07:54:40 <valdyn> pexi: what is counted in that map?
May 22 08:14:25 <PhonicUK> hey all
May 22 08:14:37 <pupnik> huhu
May 22 08:14:48 <PhonicUK> anyone know an app that tells you your speed using GPS?
May 22 08:15:04 <PhonicUK> also im on a train so dodgy connection possible
May 22 08:18:42 <pupnik> PhonicUK: kismet
May 22 08:22:52 <TheGerman> good morning
May 22 08:23:01 <pupnik> muuh
May 22 08:26:27 <TheGerman> know somebody the release date from the new  The IT Crowd  season on channl4 ? =)
May 22 08:36:23 <pupnik> i hope it sucks less
May 22 08:44:12 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: still arund?
May 22 09:01:51 <pupnik> Rock-Scissors-Paper world championships # pinskia at gcc dot gnu dot org" <gcc-bugzilla at gcc dot gnu dot org>
May 22 09:01:56 <pupnik> damnit
May 22 09:02:22 <pupnik> sorry
May 22 09:02:56 <wall[e]> hi anyone know where sdk store rootstrap?
May 22 09:03:57 <wall[e]> E: Downloaded i386 rootstrap file failed integrity test.
May 22 09:04:14 <wall[e]> i need to delete previously downloaded and reload it
May 22 09:04:37 <wall[e]> nokia seems to be very stupid for everything about continue download
May 22 09:11:01 <pupnik> many sites surprisingly don't support continuation - their loss
May 22 09:12:19 <wall[e]> :S
May 22 09:12:49 <wall[e]> enter numbers like thousand times
May 22 09:24:17 <pupnik> can we suspend hildon-desktop and hildon-status-menu?
May 22 09:24:30 <pupnik> as userspace apps
May 22 09:38:55 <RST38h> HELO folks
May 22 09:39:08 <RST38h> Where do I get libgles2-dev and the SDL GLES stuff?
May 22 09:39:42 <Stskeeps> nokia-binaries repo probably
May 22 09:40:11 <RST38h> got a URL?
May 22 09:43:20 <RST38h> hmmmmmmmmmm
May 22 09:43:28 <RST38h> it is only present for the i386 hw
May 22 09:43:34 <RST38h> but not for armel
May 22 09:43:48 <RST38h> so how are you supposed to develop gles-based apps???
May 22 09:44:34 <Corsac> well, you can still develop
May 22 09:44:43 <Corsac> you just can't run them
May 22 09:44:52 <Corsac> but as you're a star developer, you *know* they work fine!
May 22 09:45:46 <pupnik> opengles-sgx-img-common-dev - PowerVR SGX support development files
May 22 09:45:46 <pupnik> libgles2-sgx-img-dev - OpenGL ES 2.0 SGX development files
May 22 09:46:07 <Stskeeps> exists for armel just fine
May 22 09:46:09 <pupnik> apt-cache search gles in sdk
May 22 09:47:31 <RST38h> found it
May 22 09:48:38 <RST38h> ho ho ho
May 22 09:48:46 <RST38h> it wanted the repo with nokia binaries
May 22 09:48:57 <RST38h> somehow that fell off some time in the past
May 22 10:01:59 <RST38h> Is there some libsdl-gles?
May 22 10:20:07 <lbt> X-Fade: pingy... any OBS plans this weekend?
May 22 10:32:07 <pupnik___> i would love more info on why 3G keeps dropping
May 22 10:32:12 <pupnik___> i would love more info on why 3G keeps dropping
May 22 10:48:35 <SpeedEvil> pupnik; I would also like more info on why your 3G keeps dropping.
May 22 10:51:57 <Corsac> pupnik_: me too
May 22 10:52:42 <Arkenoi> pupnik, moscow? because it sucks here.
May 22 11:07:49 * MohammadAG murders Shapeshifter 
May 22 11:08:04 <MohammadAG> alarmed switched profiles twice
May 22 11:08:20 <MohammadAG> oh well, at least i'll be awake till 5 now...
May 22 11:10:11 <Schorschl> is there a feature list for 1.2 firmware?
May 22 11:11:15 <MohammadAG> tmo
May 22 11:11:27 <Schorschl> ?
May 22 11:12:20 <MohammadAG> search for PR1.2 SDK
May 22 11:12:51 <MohammadAG> UGH! facebook added the N900 to mobile sites
May 22 11:13:00 <MohammadAG> need to change the useragent grr
May 22 11:13:43 <Schorschl> MohammadAG: thanks^^ and y u use facebook? :D
May 22 11:14:14 <MohammadAG> not explaining that again
May 22 11:14:30 <Schorschl> hope the bluetooth control issue in the mediaplayer will be fixed :D
May 22 11:14:30 <MohammadAG> basically my mates are too stupid to use other protocols for communication
May 22 11:15:34 <Schorschl> same with jabber :D
May 22 11:15:42 <Schorschl> everyone use icq^^
May 22 11:15:59 <MohammadAG> not here
May 22 11:16:05 <MohammadAG> err
May 22 11:16:12 <Appiah> err
May 22 11:16:13 <Appiah> what
May 22 11:16:14 <MohammadAG> microb resets the useragent?
May 22 11:16:16 <Appiah> ICQ still exists?
May 22 11:16:23 <Schorschl> y...
May 22 11:16:31 <Schorschl> its a crappy protocol^^
May 22 11:16:57 <Schorschl> and all guys in germany love the ressource eating "blingbling" client
May 22 11:17:08 <Appiah> hehe
May 22 11:17:13 <Appiah> I still remeber my UIN for some reason
May 22 11:17:47 <Schorschl> but a russian provider buied icq from aol last weeks
May 22 11:18:13 <MohammadAG> figures, it was made by AOL
May 22 11:18:26 <MohammadAG> i hate both ICQ and AIM
May 22 11:18:27 <Appiah> no ICQ was bought by AOL
May 22 11:18:34 <Appiah> long ago
May 22 11:18:36 <Schorschl> aim was from aol
May 22 11:18:44 <Schorschl> then they buid icq
May 22 11:18:58 <Appiah> "Originally developed by Israeli company Mirabilis, ICQ"
May 22 11:19:12 <Appiah> ", AOL acquired Mirabilis for more than $400 million"
May 22 11:19:20 <MohammadAG> what a coincidence
May 22 11:19:24 <Schorschl> but nobody wants to use jabber in this country
May 22 11:19:29 <MohammadAG> nothing but crap is developed here
May 22 11:19:39 <Appiah> jabber/xmpp has kind of nerd factor to it..
May 22 11:19:49 <Appiah> like IRC :D
May 22 11:20:09 <Schorschl> yes, but there are much of nice and easy to use clients
May 22 11:20:29 <Appiah> ye .. now , but MSN,ICQ,AIM has been around for quite sometime
May 22 11:20:35 <Appiah> and its been "nice" and "easy"
May 22 11:21:15 <MohammadAG> just remembered Yahoo Messenger lol
May 22 11:21:21 <Schorschl> and nobody want to use google talk^^
May 22 11:21:24 <MohammadAG> that stuff was crappy
May 22 11:21:40 <MohammadAG> google talk isn't that popular
May 22 11:21:43 <Schorschl> all guys are scared about google...
May 22 11:21:47 <MohammadAG> but people use it :)
May 22 11:21:49 <Schorschl> (in germany)
May 22 11:22:10 <MohammadAG> they don't give a damn about your personal details ;)
May 22 11:22:50 <Schorschl> yes, but the newscasts make them scared
May 22 11:23:47 <Schorschl> "google steal wlan data (streetmap)" thats not true, but everyone bleive this
May 22 11:57:00 <SpeedEvil> Is there anywhere a text list of the repository QA queue for promotion to extras, rahter than scraping it?
May 22 12:02:22 <MohammadAG> not that i know of
May 22 12:02:31 <MohammadAG> there's a list @ maemo.org/packages
May 22 12:20:27 <Schorschl> know somebody a good doc to use mysql as authentification backend for samba?
May 22 12:23:50 <Nadley> hi
May 22 12:31:44 <RST38h> rwxrwxrwx 1 fms 1000     37 2010-05-22 14:11 SDL_gles.h -> /opt/maemo/usr/include/SDL/SDL_gles.h
May 22 12:31:52 <RST38h> Purrrrfect
May 22 12:32:13 <RST38h> Who was the great light that optified a -dev package???
May 22 12:32:40 <RST38h> And how does this person expect it to work???
May 22 12:37:45 <MohammadAG> <RST38h> Who was the great light that optified a -dev package??? LOL
May 22 13:02:57 <Gh0sty> is it possible to search by number somehow?
May 22 13:03:02 <Gh0sty> in my contacts i mean
May 22 13:03:28 <MohammadAG> haven't seen that in my N900
May 22 13:03:46 <Gh0sty> or is the list searchable somehow in backups for example? :/
May 22 13:04:06 <Gh0sty> need to verify my phone bill somehow i got overcharged ... so i need to lookup all phone numbers to who it's linked
May 22 13:06:17 <opdf2> I'm not familiar with adblockers. Should I be using adflashblock-css or adblock?
May 22 13:06:30 <MohammadAG> adblock +
May 22 13:07:32 <GAN900> Restart to get data back. Fun.
May 22 13:07:52 <lmoura> whick product/component should I select to report a bug on fremantle's cdbs?
May 22 13:07:59 <lmoura> s/whick/which/
May 22 13:07:59 <infobot> lmoura meant: which product/component should I select to report a bug on fremantle's cdbs?
May 22 13:12:30 <opdf2> so instructions sed to delete everything in the extension folder for microb before install adblock +
May 22 13:12:37 <opdf2> should i just delete symlink?
May 22 13:12:46 <opdf2> or targets as well?
May 22 13:13:45 <opdf2> following this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=661441&postcount=8
May 22 13:16:16 <opdf2> nm the only extension I havbe are geolocation and OVI, so no need to delet
May 22 13:23:33 <GAN900> How do people feel about having a brainstorm day on IRC?
May 22 13:23:53 <DocScrutinizer> what's that?
May 22 13:23:58 <DocScrutinizer> moo
May 22 13:24:30 <DocScrutinizer> isn't it always brainstorm day on irc?
May 22 13:25:20 <RST38h> It is always timewasting day on irc.
May 22 13:25:26 <RST38h> So, yes, brainstorms qualify
May 22 13:25:29 <DocScrutinizer> or that
May 22 13:25:32 <GAN900> Well, yeah, but tying into the maemo.org brainstorming session we're having.
May 22 13:25:40 <GAN900> 3-6 hours just
May 22 13:25:59 <GAN900> My plan was to add a bit of bugday-esque live collaboration.
May 22 13:26:00 <RST38h> GAN: Is there any tangible result expected from the session?
May 22 13:26:25 * DocScrutinizer scratches head
May 22 13:28:20 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: I guess it will set the new corporate direction for the whole mobile phone industry.
May 22 13:29:56 <SpeedEvil> Sounds in principle not insane.
May 22 13:30:37 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: export all to vcard file and grep should do the trick. Though there ought be better ways
May 22 13:32:14 * DocScrutinizer mumbles about new corporate directions and OM and giggles
May 22 13:32:17 <GAN900> RST38h, hopefully to collect and improve ideas for the brainstorm.
May 22 13:32:21 <GAN900> (not the web app)
May 22 13:32:41 <RST38h> brainstorm to collect ideas about brainstorm?
May 22 13:32:56 <DocScrutinizer> WIKIREADER, we need a WIKIREADER
May 22 13:33:00 <DocScrutinizer> XP
May 22 13:33:43 <RST38h> reboot.
May 22 13:34:43 <SpeedEvil> A e-ink screen on the back of the n900 would be very cool.
May 22 13:37:05 <GAN900> RST38h, did you see the announcement?
May 22 13:37:08 <GAN900> Jaffa, ping?
May 22 13:37:30 <RST38h> GAN: Nope, I stopped following organizational things a while ago
May 22 13:37:55 <RST38h> Still, every now and then I get that senseless hope that one of these mettings will change things for the better or something
May 22 13:39:56 <DocScrutinizer> announcement?
May 22 13:40:04 <DocScrutinizer> probably on tmo ;-P
May 22 13:40:14 <Stskeeps> all over
May 22 13:41:14 <DocScrutinizer> hmm if it were on tp of every single post in every thread then possibly i'd have seen it
May 22 13:41:40 <Stskeeps> use /thankedposts.php as well
May 22 13:42:19 <DocScrutinizer> eeh?
May 22 13:42:25 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, lists, Talk and Planet.
May 22 13:42:41 <DocScrutinizer> planet :-o
May 22 13:42:46 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, it's all of the first page of the Community forum.
May 22 13:42:57 <GAN900> http://planet.maemo.org
May 22 13:43:03 <DocScrutinizer> eeek
May 22 13:43:12 <GAN900> Should still be on the first page.
May 22 13:44:28 <DocScrutinizer> dwouldN900 IM Style Notifications From Python Lauri VõsandiTransifex Mobile Git Repository Quim GilSame Job, New Location: Santa Clara Valley (California)
May 22 13:44:32 <DocScrutinizer> I give up
May 22 13:44:51 <SpeedEvil> 'brainstorming maemo.org 2010' ?
May 22 13:44:55 <SpeedEvil> 90% down
May 22 13:45:13 <DocScrutinizer> seems it's not very important
May 22 13:45:40 <Ken-Young> Everything pales compared to WikiReader.
May 22 13:47:30 * RST38h wonders what happens with maemo.org once the first nokia meego device comes out
May 22 13:47:48 <RST38h> Will it become community-oriented version of corporate meego.org ?
May 22 13:48:17 <luke-jr> sigh, why do I even bother with cell phone carriers?
May 22 13:48:19 <luke-jr> they're all scammers
May 22 13:48:20 <DocScrutinizer> or end up like openmoko.org
May 22 13:48:35 * SpeedEvil looks up weego.com
May 22 13:48:49 <SpeedEvil> I guess not.
May 22 13:50:01 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, posted by me.
May 22 13:50:09 <DocScrutinizer> some 5 devels struggling for ever more complex beter more broken devel versions of an OS for a device that isn't produced anymore
May 22 13:50:22 <SpeedEvil> weego.mobi is free
May 22 13:50:25 <Jaffa> Morning, all
May 22 13:50:29 <SpeedEvil> morning.
May 22 13:50:30 <Gh0sty> DocScrutinizer: found a way ... looking in backups: Root/home/user/.osso-abook-backup/db$ strings addressbook.db  | grep -B 3 <insert phone number>
May 22 13:50:52 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: that's great!
May 22 13:50:55 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
May 22 13:51:10 <Gh0sty> now looking at why my phone bill is so high :/
May 22 13:51:34 <Gh0sty> too bad n900 can't explain that one ;)
May 22 13:51:42 <DocScrutinizer> probably dataplan expired and they charged you by the bit
May 22 13:51:47 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: yeah - I have to buy another 6 months internet in a few days.
May 22 13:51:55 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: 20 quid.
May 22 13:52:05 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: Cricket's $30/mo plan is billing me $43/mo
May 22 13:52:07 <MohammadAG> Gh0sty, you can use home/user/.osso-abook-backup/db$ strings addressbook.db  | grep -B 3 <insert phone number> too :)
May 22 13:52:11 <Gh0sty> DocScrutinizer: nah i called 360 minutes according to the bill :P
May 22 13:52:11 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: ow.
May 22 13:52:19 <MohammadAG> no need to backup and check ;)
May 22 13:52:29 <MohammadAG> thanks though, it'll come handy one day
May 22 13:52:40 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: sounds quite technically impossible
May 22 13:52:51 <SpeedEvil> yeah.
May 22 13:52:52 <Gh0sty> :P
May 22 13:53:06 <SpeedEvil> Nobody can actually use their n900 to make calls.
May 22 13:53:09 <ZogG> holla
May 22 13:53:12 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: needless to say, I won't be paying it
May 22 13:53:25 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: that's N900, not FR :-P
May 22 13:53:54 <SpeedEvil> I made more calls with my neo1973 than with my n900.
May 22 13:54:10 <Gh0sty> MohammadAG: how do i access home ...
May 22 13:54:18 <Gh0sty> not through bluetooth? :/
May 22 13:54:31 <MohammadAG> terminal
May 22 13:54:34 <MohammadAG> or ssh
May 22 13:54:37 <MohammadAG> or sftp
May 22 13:54:51 <Gh0sty> hm true i installed ssh on it ... never done that over bluetooth before however :p
May 22 13:54:55 <Arkenoi> mapper just sucks. why am i forced to enter mile-long cryptic url to get traffic info and if i make a typo it just crashes dropping all my settings to the floor? if there are additional layers supported, why they are not pre-defined?
May 22 13:55:18 <MohammadAG> Gh0sty, bt? ssh uses wifi
May 22 13:55:21 <MohammadAG> or usb
May 22 13:56:53 <DocScrutinizer> maybe Gh0sty found big flaw of petrovich (and all apps using file selector) which is: MyDocs and uSD only
May 22 13:57:23 <DocScrutinizer> what a bold insult
May 22 13:58:00 <DocScrutinizer> "We are NOKIA, we *know* how to make user's life easier" -BAAHHH!! :-(((
May 22 13:58:30 <Arkenoi> ah
May 22 13:58:50 <Arkenoi> they always pretended that they make devices that are ahead of expectations
May 22 13:59:06 <Arkenoi> not far behind what people requested as they actually are
May 22 13:59:14 <RST38h> Arkenoi: I do not know why you are forced to do that: Yandex Traffic stuff comes configured by default
May 22 13:59:17 <MohammadAG> is anyone else, other than me, not exactly looking forward to MeeGo?
May 22 13:59:33 <Gh0sty> depends how old you are ? :P
May 22 13:59:45 <DocScrutinizer> mmmmh, not so excited, yes
May 22 13:59:46 <Gh0sty> looking forward to pr 1.2
May 22 13:59:53 <RST38h> Arkenoi: And if it not, there is a menu option to get all the map configurations from a special repo
May 22 13:59:57 <MohammadAG> 16
May 22 14:00:08 <Gh0sty> oh then i'm older :)
May 22 14:00:14 <Ken-Young> MohammadAG, Don't worry, they'll abandon Meego and do something else soon.
May 22 14:00:36 <Gh0sty> heard a rumor somewhere that android has been running on n900 ?:P
May 22 14:00:59 <MohammadAG> umm, rumor?
May 22 14:00:59 <ZogG> is there a way to make links from apps to be opened in microb in background?
May 22 14:01:06 <MohammadAG> it's under development
May 22 14:01:19 <MohammadAG> ZogG, not in the background
May 22 14:01:20 <Arkenoi> RST38h, ah, you are right. the web page is outdated and there is "sync" button that enables missing repositories ;-)
May 22 14:01:24 <DocScrutinizer> as MeeGo was way too late for Intel's presentation of Z600 anyway... They for sure will kill it for that soon
May 22 14:01:24 <Gh0sty> dont quite follow it ... just heard about that :)
May 22 14:01:25 <ZogG> Gh0sty yeah #nitdroid
May 22 14:01:39 <ZogG> MohammadAG is it possible to make so?
May 22 14:01:49 <MohammadAG> yeah, dbus
May 22 14:02:01 <MohammadAG> check Jebba's wiki page
May 22 14:02:23 <ZogG> MohammadAG he managed that?
May 22 14:02:28 <MohammadAG> ~dbus
May 22 14:02:29 <infobot> well, dbus is D-BUS, or http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ or #dbus, or a piece of junk, or reinvented by those who did not understood CORBA
May 22 14:02:31 <MohammadAG> bah
May 22 14:02:34 <MohammadAG> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS
May 22 14:02:48 <MohammadAG> ZogG, it's used in many apps
May 22 14:02:58 <ZogG> i know what is dbus
May 22 14:03:09 <DocScrutinizer> ~listvalues jebba
May 22 14:03:11 <MohammadAG> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS
May 22 14:03:13 <ZogG> i mean did he did the thing i want? the background thing
May 22 14:03:15 <infobot> Factoid search of 'jebba' by value returned no results.
May 22 14:03:16 <MohammadAG> command is there
May 22 14:03:24 <MohammadAG> not in the background
May 22 14:03:27 <MohammadAG> lol
May 22 14:03:40 <ZogG> so what the point =)
May 22 14:04:15 <ZogG> what is*
May 22 14:04:23 <MohammadAG> idk
May 22 14:04:26 <MohammadAG> :)
May 22 14:04:43 <MohammadAG> ZogG, apparently the BH-905 are available here, for 1100 nis
May 22 14:05:01 <DocScrutinizer> stop talking to each other's hand
May 22 14:05:06 <ZogG> too much
May 22 14:05:15 <ZogG> link?
May 22 14:05:37 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer sup? how was your weekend honey?
May 22 14:05:40 <MohammadAG> Office Depot, some guy told me
May 22 14:06:04 <DocScrutinizer> the last one or the long one ahead
May 22 14:06:08 <DocScrutinizer> ?
May 22 14:06:27 * Stskeeps yawns
May 22 14:06:40 <Stskeeps> GAN900: you should be happy, i've finally bought a good camera
May 22 14:06:41 <Stskeeps> :P
May 22 14:06:46 * DocScrutinizer joins in
May 22 14:07:26 <GAN900> Stskeeps, DSLR?
May 22 14:07:39 <GAN900> Jaffa, so, break this week or do you want me to carry it?
May 22 14:07:50 <ZogG> Stskeeps 3D? =)
May 22 14:07:51 <Stskeeps> GAN900: nikon d5000
May 22 14:08:23 <Stskeeps> my wife got pissed enough at my old camera that we bought a new one :P
May 22 14:08:42 <DocScrutinizer> ohohoh dangerous
May 22 14:09:10 <DocScrutinizer> what if she thinks she doesn't look any slimmer on the pictures of the new one? :-o
May 22 14:09:12 <GAN900> Stskeeps, cool.
May 22 14:09:28 <GAN900> Stskeeps, friend of mine is about to ge the Panasonic GH1 to do short films.
May 22 14:10:12 <Jaffa> GAN900: This week: goes ahead as normal. Next week: break.
May 22 14:11:23 <GAN900> Jaffa, ah, OK.
May 22 14:12:12 <Jaffa> GAN900: Not got time between now and being offline to set up permissions etc.
May 22 14:12:55 <Jaffa> GAN900: I suppose I *could* set it up on an empty Google Doc to auto-publish and then it's a manual job of looking at output on http://twitter.com/mwkn and building the format manually
May 22 14:13:13 <GAN900> Jaffa, I don't have a problem doing that.
May 22 14:13:21 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: sorry, of course I didn't want to say any of your contributions to planet is unimportant
May 22 14:13:55 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, was looking to clarify, wasn't offended. ;)
May 22 14:14:00 <arachnist> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/util/Log.html#wtf%28java.lang.String,%20java.lang.String%29
May 22 14:14:13 <Jaffa> GAN900: Cool; wouldn't want to miss anything interesting - time's running out on MeeGo 1.0, although history says it'll be out after we publish MWKN ;-)
May 22 14:14:13 <DocScrutinizer> just it's drowned in the random noise :-S
May 22 14:14:31 <GAN900> Of COURSE my contributions to Planet aren't important. They're generally useless biased drivel. :P
May 22 14:14:35 <GAN900> Thus, Planet
May 22 14:14:53 <GAN900> and all you chumps failed to heart it enough to boost it up on News. :P
May 22 14:14:54 * Stskeeps has difficulties figuring out where he fits in the maemo.org brainstorm still
May 22 14:15:02 <MohammadAG> don't see the use, but xchat runs well in portrait mode
May 22 14:15:31 * DocScrutinizer as well
May 22 14:15:42 <Stskeeps> well, at least regarding my role
May 22 14:15:51 <GAN900> Stskeeps, you get to compile the wiki pages. We had a vote while you were buying the camera.
May 22 14:16:03 <Stskeeps> GAN900: error line 1: not C
May 22 14:16:03 <Stskeeps> :P
May 22 14:16:22 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 22 14:16:32 <MohammadAG> dpkg --purge Stskeeps
May 22 14:17:27 <DocScrutinizer> od Stskeeps | scramble
May 22 14:18:16 <RST38h> GAN: At least you are not constantly announcing obscure Fennec features =)
May 22 14:18:17 <GAN900> Stskeeps, I don't think you really DO fit into the brainstorm.
May 22 14:21:07 <Stskeeps> well, as in what would apply for me :P
May 22 14:22:05 <GAN900> Stskeeps, not much.
May 22 14:22:13 <GAN900> MeeGo/platform focus
May 22 14:22:19 <GAN900> Both out of scope
May 22 14:22:35 <GAN900> So just contribute your usual insight where you feel compelled to. :P
May 22 14:22:40 <Stskeeps> mm
May 22 14:22:55 <Stskeeps> javispedro: oh, girish said we should just tell him what we need and what to add
May 22 14:24:13 <javispedro> ah, no chances to see the source of it
May 22 14:24:15 <javispedro> :(
May 22 14:25:19 <pupnik_> javispedro: i can make all kinds of slower builds :)
May 22 14:26:06 <Stskeeps> javispedro: anything else than a call to kernel with a ioctl?
May 22 14:26:22 <Stskeeps> on Flip()
May 22 14:27:48 <javispedro> yes, no other idea so far
May 22 14:27:57 <javispedro> an ioctl to /dev/omaplcd?
May 22 14:28:04 <Stskeeps> yeah
May 22 14:28:35 <GAN900> Stskeeps, damnit, I fell for SD69's false premise.
May 22 14:28:40 <DocScrutinizer> who's girish?
May 22 14:28:41 <Stskeeps> GAN900: hm?
May 22 14:28:45 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: TI contact
May 22 14:28:49 <DocScrutinizer> aah
May 22 14:28:51 <GAN900> Stskeeps, sorry, didn't mean to imply you had changed your mind.
May 22 14:29:04 <Stskeeps> ah, i know
May 22 14:29:07 <GAN900> Stskeeps, I find your current position perfectly consistent with your usual one.
May 22 14:29:18 <satmd> :)
May 22 14:29:25 <ZogG> <MohammadAG> dpkg --purge Stskeeps | USE="-MohammadAG" emerge maemo
May 22 14:29:28 <Stskeeps> i did change my mind regarding -maemo-, as in, why bother opening up a platform fully when they skipped ahead a couple of years
May 22 14:29:35 <Stskeeps> and made a open one by default
May 22 14:29:55 <satmd> ZogG: I don't see how this will help anyone
May 22 14:30:06 <javispedro> note that I found note that only mbxdaemon dlopens libomaplcd
May 22 14:30:09 <ZogG> it wont make worser
May 22 14:30:15 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: lol
May 22 14:30:48 <ZogG> Stskeeps pitty it's not fully open =)
May 22 14:31:05 <luke-jr> FWIW, the MBX kernel modules are in the Gentoo overlay now
May 22 14:31:13 <Stskeeps> alright
May 22 14:31:14 <crashanddie> GAN900: boost SSO you twat
May 22 14:31:14 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: as long as *somebody* bothers about backporting all the open goodies back to maemo, I won't frown
May 22 14:31:23 <pupnik_> hmm i cannot see the connections made via myhotspot
May 22 14:31:32 <crashanddie> GAN900: I'm tired of having to log in to maemo.org, the only thing I do is click on <3
May 22 14:31:54 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: as I can't see myself moving to meego next, say, 18 months
May 22 14:32:25 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: as far as i know, fremantle will still have a good long life and qt will be coming out for it
May 22 14:32:34 <Stskeeps> along with qt mobility it looks like
May 22 14:32:39 <GAN900> crashanddie, having more persistant logins would go a long way towatds fixing things.
May 22 14:32:40 <luke-jr> I can't see myself getting a phone ever unless these stupid cell providers stop trying to scam me :(
May 22 14:33:06 <crashanddie> GAN900: just tell x-fade to set the sessions work with cookies, and have the cookies run for 2 months
May 22 14:33:10 <Stskeeps> move out of the US, luke-jr
May 22 14:33:11 <Stskeeps> :P
May 22 14:33:21 <ZogG> i think i need to emerge MohammadAG back, he is not talking anymore =)
May 22 14:33:36 <DocScrutinizer> this evil mindset of forcing people to new platform by simply not supporting the old one anymore, this made me switch to KDE4 ~6months ago, and makes me swear and shout every day several times now
May 22 14:33:41 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: where can I move that won't extradict me? how will I get there?
May 22 14:33:44 <GAN900> luke-jr, why are you trying to buy subsidized?
May 22 14:33:49 <luke-jr> GAN900: I'm not.
May 22 14:33:57 <GAN900> luke-jr, what's the scam?
May 22 14:34:07 <luke-jr> GAN900: Cricket is billing me $43/mo for their $30/mo plan
May 22 14:34:15 <MohammadAG> ZogG, lurking
May 22 14:34:20 <Stskeeps> is this due to VAT or something?
May 22 14:34:21 <Stskeeps> :P
May 22 14:34:26 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: there is no VAT in the US
May 22 14:34:27 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, go back to GNOME, seriously...
May 22 14:34:31 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: sales tax, then
May 22 14:34:34 <GAN900> luke-jr, FCC fees and taxes?
May 22 14:34:36 <ZogG> moooooo
May 22 14:34:41 <DocScrutinizer> I never WAS on gnome
May 22 14:34:51 <ZogG> KDE and GNOME are evil
May 22 14:34:54 <ZogG> xfce4
May 22 14:34:55 <luke-jr> fees/taxes that go from $30 to $43?
May 22 14:35:03 <GAN900> There are federal, state and sometimes municipal taxes that apply.
May 22 14:35:06 <DocScrutinizer> tried that crap for ~1day. Too windowesque
May 22 14:35:09 <MohammadAG> s/go back/switch to/
May 22 14:35:09 <infobot> MohammadAG meant: DocScrutinizer, switch to to GNOME, seriously...
May 22 14:35:14 <GAN900> luke-jr, your bill should break it down.
May 22 14:35:22 <luke-jr> GAN900: my bill makes absolutely no sense
May 22 14:35:25 <MohammadAG> -to
May 22 14:35:31 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, too what?
May 22 14:35:33 <DocScrutinizer> and it uses gconf :-(((
May 22 14:35:36 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, KDE is windows-ish
May 22 14:35:43 <ZogG> KDE is ugly
May 22 14:35:45 <luke-jr> I see maybe $8 in fees/taxes that I didn't approve
May 22 14:35:47 <crashanddie> 'later
May 22 14:35:49 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: luxemburg, maybe
May 22 14:35:52 <ZogG> i don't understand how people liek it
May 22 14:35:55 <MohammadAG> frals, uses gconf, we should get rid of him too
May 22 14:36:05 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: ... isn't that in Germany?
May 22 14:36:21 <DocScrutinizer> I give a shit bout ugly. KDE3 was tailored to fit my needs, in a ~8 years of constant tweaking
May 22 14:36:26 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg
May 22 14:36:45 <luke-jr> between totally-insane cell service and totally-insane government, I'll stick with totally-insane cell service
May 22 14:36:54 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, at least it's not so ugly and it's more modular, you don't need to install everything to get it working, while in gnome and kde it brings so many libs
May 22 14:37:02 <GAN900> luke-jr, same thing happens with your cable bill.
May 22 14:37:08 <luke-jr> GAN900: nope
May 22 14:37:16 <luke-jr> they advertise $45/mo; I pay $45/mo
May 22 14:37:16 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: I simply don't care
May 22 14:37:17 <ZogG> GAN900 hey ganster
May 22 14:37:25 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: as I'd install everything anyway
May 22 14:37:31 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer i don't care what you care, i told you - so do it!!!!
May 22 14:37:37 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer ubuntu?
May 22 14:37:41 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: i'm going to assume you're not part of the tea party
May 22 14:37:41 <Stskeeps> :P
May 22 14:37:44 <GAN900> ZogG, howdy.
May 22 14:37:55 <ZogG> GAN900, fine you know
May 22 14:37:59 * satmd answers late
May 22 14:38:14 <ZogG> so i heard about pr1.2 this week =)
May 22 14:38:17 <ZogG> ~pr1.2
May 22 14:38:18 <infobot> pr1.2 is, like, not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING.  If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask.
May 22 14:38:19 <satmd> but it is risky to say a change would not make things worse - out of the blue
May 22 14:38:22 <Arkenoi> luke-jr, we have noth here and i guess both are worse
May 22 14:38:24 <GAN900> Stskeeps, out of interest, how is the Tea Party portrayed in the media over there?
May 22 14:38:25 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, seriously though, give gnome a go
May 22 14:38:27 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: ubuntu --> http://xkcd.com/424/
May 22 14:38:35 <DocScrutinizer> NO I WON'T
May 22 14:38:38 <Stskeeps> GAN900: i watch the daily show as an information source, so, batshit insane
May 22 14:38:48 <satmd> if we're at wms, I suggest fvwm
May 22 14:39:00 * GAN900 notes the US media was tripping all over themselves to blame the Times Square attempt on the Tea Party.
May 22 14:39:06 <DocScrutinizer> its name starts with a g, like gconftool
May 22 14:39:08 * satmd stops making bad jokes
May 22 14:39:09 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, XFCE4? :P
May 22 14:39:10 <GAN900> Stskeeps, ah, yeah, so completely irrationally.
May 22 14:39:11 <Stskeeps> GAN900: but really, we just ignore most internal US politics
May 22 14:39:16 <luke-jr> oh, Luxem *isn't* part of Germany... :p
May 22 14:39:27 <satmd> lol, no it is not, luke-jr
May 22 14:39:33 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: assuming it's sane, the bigger question is hwo to get there
May 22 14:39:36 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer yeah something liek gconf
May 22 14:39:43 <GAN900> Stskeeps, warning: Stewart is incredibly biased.
May 22 14:39:54 <Stskeeps> GAN900: i know
May 22 14:39:54 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, your name ends with G, your country starts with G, invalid argument
May 22 14:40:01 <ZogG> gconftool-2 or something like that
May 22 14:40:13 <DocScrutinizer> my country starts with D after all
May 22 14:40:21 <Stskeeps> GAN900: it's horrible when sarcastic news seem to cover more about reality than real media
May 22 14:40:22 <ZogG> if you say G in russia it stands for Sh#t
May 22 14:40:35 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer duetchland? =)
May 22 14:40:37 <MohammadAG> germany starts a D?
May 22 14:40:44 <MohammadAG> ZogG, govno
May 22 14:40:44 <ZogG> MohammadAG ^
May 22 14:40:49 <ZogG> MohammadAG, yeap =)
May 22 14:40:50 <GAN900> Stskeeps, neither are particularly good.
May 22 14:41:07 <GAN900> It's not worth trying to be informed by TV.
May 22 14:41:21 <DocScrutinizer> btw *my* country starts with U like Utopia
May 22 14:41:22 * Stskeeps usually collects news online instead
May 22 14:41:29 <ZogG> MohammadAG have you bought microsd?
May 22 14:41:31 <Stskeeps> here i'm stuck to polish news, which seems to have very little foreign material
May 22 14:41:46 <MohammadAG> ZogG, 32GB, not yet
May 22 14:41:47 <javispedro> pupnik: well, at least it is a relief to know that I didn't break the build much :)
May 22 14:42:01 <ZogG> have anyone saw wine under n900?
May 22 14:42:08 <luke-jr> ZogG: forget it
May 22 14:42:12 <Arkenoi> zogd: impossible
May 22 14:42:17 <ZogG> luke-jr, it's there already
May 22 14:42:20 <ZogG> Arkenoi, posible
May 22 14:42:23 <MohammadAG> still debating whether i'm stupid enough to pay €300 for the BH-905
May 22 14:42:24 <GAN900> Because they're all in somebody's pocket or pushing their insane agenda.
May 22 14:42:31 <ZogG> i didn't say i need it
May 22 14:42:38 <GAN900> MohammadAG, don't do it!
May 22 14:42:38 <Arkenoi> zogd: to run winCE programs, maybe
May 22 14:42:47 <ZogG> Arkenoi, zogg*
May 22 14:42:52 <Arkenoi> desktop windows is x86 only
May 22 14:42:57 <javispedro> they use qemu-user  + plus a older wine pre-nptl binary
May 22 14:43:01 <ZogG> Arkenoi, i don't need it - but i say any port and any extra is good
May 22 14:43:05 <Arkenoi> and wine runs native code, it is just api emulation, not cpu
May 22 14:43:06 <javispedro> because the nptl is awfully slow
May 22 14:43:15 <MohammadAG> GAN900, care to elaborate more? ;)
May 22 14:43:18 <javispedro> *ntpl emulation in qemu user
May 22 14:43:20 <ZogG> Arkenoi wine is NOT emulator
May 22 14:43:22 <GAN900> MohammadAG, OK, do it!
May 22 14:43:23 <luke-jr> Arkenoi: that's what qemu is for
May 22 14:43:37 <MohammadAG> GAN900, care to elaborate more?
May 22 14:44:08 <Arkenoi> if you run qemu then there is no reason to run wine
May 22 14:44:09 <ZogG> so Tomasz Sterna is porting maemo for android hardware= )
May 22 14:44:44 <GAN900> MohammadAG, I don't actually have an opinion
May 22 14:44:59 <GAN900> But that sounds like way too much money for headphones
May 22 14:45:07 <ZogG> www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcEsJc74Qs&feature=player_embedded - wine under n900
May 22 14:45:09 <MohammadAG> indeed lol
May 22 14:45:12 <javispedro> Arkenoi: well, dunno, as even with qemu-user + emulated wine some stuff is running native (instead of everything emulated as qemu-system would do)
May 22 14:45:17 <GAN900> At least from a company that doesn't specialize in them.
May 22 14:45:40 <DocScrutinizer> damn, could all of you (except luke-jr ) please change the checksum of your nicks? the show up here from turquoise (mohammad) over light blue dark blue, to royal blue ( Arkenoi ) ;-P
May 22 14:45:45 <MohammadAG> GAN900, actually I think they did with those pair
May 22 14:45:49 <GAN900> Kinda like spending $1500 on a 6.1 setup from Onkyo.
May 22 14:45:57 <MohammadAG> Active Noise Cancelation is what I want :)
May 22 14:45:59 <javispedro> so a benchmark qemu-user + wine vs qemu-system + windows is nice
May 22 14:46:10 <luke-jr> Arkenoi: qemu-user != qemu-softmmu
May 22 14:46:14 <GAN900> MohammadAG, Bose is actually one of the best for that.
May 22 14:46:35 <luke-jr> javispedro: the result is obvious
May 22 14:46:44 <MohammadAG> GAN900, aren't they the apple of headphones? (way overpriced?)
May 22 14:46:57 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer mirc? =)))))))))
May 22 14:47:03 <DocScrutinizer> Kontact
May 22 14:47:12 <luke-jr> seeing as WINE already outperforms Windows on native x86_32, adding emulation to both wouldn't change that
May 22 14:47:12 <ZogG> MohammadAG, buy iphone
May 22 14:47:15 <MohammadAG> someone told me about Sennheiser (i spelled it wrong)
May 22 14:47:33 <GAN900> But the audio is crap.
May 22 14:47:40 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, damn kde user - you suffer 'cause of yourself
May 22 14:47:43 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: you're dark blue
May 22 14:47:54 <arachnist> sennheiser? i have two pairs of sennheiser headphones
May 22 14:47:55 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer it's good i'm not pink
May 22 14:47:58 <luke-jr> what would be interesting is if someone wrote a GCC backend for Win32 binaries and could build native winelib ARM bins ;)
May 22 14:48:15 <Schorschl> MohammadAG: "Sennheiser" is correct
May 22 14:48:15 <DocScrutinizer> arachnist is kinda dark oink :-P
May 22 14:48:19 <MrPink> \o/
May 22 14:48:25 <DocScrutinizer> pink even
May 22 14:48:44 <luke-jr> should be possible as long as the app doesn't do some kind of CRC to itself
May 22 14:48:48 <javispedro> luke-jr: isn't that called winegcc? ;) winelib should already build for ARMs these days
May 22 14:48:49 <arachnist> one bluetooth (mm100) which i use with the n900 and hd595, which have quite a nice cable
May 22 14:48:59 <Schorschl> but the best wireless headphones comes from "AKG" :)
May 22 14:49:01 <DocScrutinizer> MrPink is blue though XP
May 22 14:49:01 <luke-jr> javispedro: winegcc IIRC only works with source code
May 22 14:49:16 * ZogG xmms2> System Of A Down - Lonely Day ["Hypnotize (Retail)" 2005 Sony/BMG]
May 22 14:49:20 <luke-jr> javispedro: I'm talking about treating the Win32 EXE as "source code"
May 22 14:49:29 <satmd> luke-jr: native winelibs arm?
May 22 14:49:31 <MohammadAG> MrPink is pink here
May 22 14:49:37 <satmd> what exactly do you mean?
May 22 14:49:38 <javispedro> luke-jr: ah yes, then that's my beloved long term plan too.
May 22 14:49:41 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, you're greenish blue :P
May 22 14:49:49 <luke-jr> satmd: rebuild EXE files as normal Linux binaries
May 22 14:49:51 * satmd has a gcc toolchain that build mingw32 binaries for win32
May 22 14:49:53 <MohammadAG> greenish starts with a g
May 22 14:49:54 <satmd> oh
May 22 14:49:58 <satmd> other way around
May 22 14:50:02 <luke-jr> javispedro: see, I lost interest when I realized I have no need for Win32 apps :)
May 22 14:50:04 <MohammadAG> i think gnome was made for you DocScrutinizer XP
May 22 14:50:18 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, to bash it
May 22 14:50:30 <satmd> mhm
May 22 14:50:40 <javispedro> luke-jr: but without recompilation, launching qemu right after loading the exe binary.
May 22 14:50:54 <satmd> iirc, there is a project helping at compiling windows code(!) to linux binaries using wine
May 22 14:51:04 <satmd> but it won't take just a .exe
May 22 14:51:05 <luke-jr> satmd: code, yes
May 22 14:51:13 <luke-jr> in any case, I don't care really :P
May 22 14:51:17 <javispedro> that project is "wine", btw.
May 22 14:51:23 <GAN900> MohammadAG, Bose's audio is terrible across their product line
May 22 14:51:25 <satmd> well, it would not be trivial to be honest
May 22 14:51:26 <luke-jr> anyone up for FREECIV?
May 22 14:51:33 <luke-jr> satmd: it is :p
May 22 14:51:44 <GAN900> MohammadAG, but their headphone have some of the best noise cancelling and the best comfort.
May 22 14:51:45 <MohammadAG> WINE: Windows Is Not Effecient
May 22 14:51:59 <GAN900> Even though the audio is about on par with an $80 pair.
May 22 14:52:02 <satmd> ;)
May 22 14:52:12 <MohammadAG> heh
May 22 14:52:30 <luke-jr> ...
May 22 14:52:36 <luke-jr> freeciv kills the chat ;(
May 22 14:52:38 <satmd> and btw gnome is causing a lot of pain to me :P
May 22 14:52:44 <javispedro> hmm
May 22 14:53:00 <Stskeeps> anyone with opera for maeo installed?
May 22 14:53:00 <javispedro> someone is now redistributing the non-redistributable sun embedded jre in tmo
May 22 14:53:13 <Stskeeps> 'report post'?
May 22 14:53:14 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, here
May 22 14:53:21 <javispedro> including trialware time-bomb killling instructions
May 22 14:53:27 <Stskeeps> MohammadAG: could you run 'ldd' on it's binary for me?
May 22 14:53:32 <javispedro> Stskeeps: gtk
May 22 14:53:33 <MohammadAG> hildon-status-menu crashed and it didn't start again
May 22 14:53:43 <MohammadAG> oh right, i killed the watchdog
May 22 14:53:48 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, sec
May 22 14:56:48 * merlin1991 is lost trying to find the scratchbox setup tutorial in the wiki, anyone with a link?
May 22 14:57:08 <Arkenoi> javispedro, which jre does microemulator use?
May 22 14:58:04 <angie> does anyone run meego on the n900
May 22 14:58:11 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, still opening pastebin gah
May 22 14:58:11 <MohammadAG> infobot, maemosdk
May 22 14:58:12 <infobot> maemosdk is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation
May 22 14:58:30 <javispedro> Arendtsen: dunno?
May 22 14:58:32 <javispedro> er..
May 22 14:58:36 <javispedro> Arkenoi^
May 22 15:00:21 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, http://pastebin.com/R6YMDw3B
May 22 15:00:25 <MohammadAG> had to kill dpkg
May 22 15:01:23 <Stskeeps> k, thanks
May 22 15:04:51 <merlin1991> thx MohammadAG
May 22 15:07:00 * Stskeeps generates another image of the n810 meego m0 attempt
May 22 15:08:09 <RST38h> yoooo
May 22 15:08:29 <happyblob> stskeeps: is MeeGo m0 n00b-friendly for testing? I'd like to help but i'm rubbish :P
May 22 15:08:41 <RST38h> "Researchers trying to determine the age of deceased individuals are finding success with a new method: looking in people's mouths. Nuclear bomb testing in the 1950s, it turns out, turned everyone's teeth into radioactive clocks."
May 22 15:08:56 <RST38h> happy: No, don't bother until the version with the UI is out
May 22 15:09:25 <happyblob> ok cheers thought that might be
May 22 15:09:28 <ZogG> happyblob, right after pr1.2 =) so i say next decay
May 22 15:09:32 <Stskeeps> happyblob: it will boot into xfce4 and have usb networking and you need to flash the rootfs in NAND
May 22 15:09:35 <Stskeeps> so not newbie friendly
May 22 15:09:58 <ZogG> Stskeeps xfce4 ? how is it connected?
May 22 15:10:07 <Stskeeps> ZogG: there's a xfce4 for moblin (and hence for meego)
May 22 15:10:16 <MohammadAG> how do i restart hildon-status-menu?
May 22 15:10:21 <MohammadAG> nvm, dsmetool
May 22 15:10:33 <ZogG> hence is xfce4 baed mobile DE?
May 22 15:10:39 <happyblob> ok ta. glad you got some x action up :)
May 22 15:10:41 <Stskeeps> no
May 22 15:10:44 <Stskeeps> just good old xfce4
May 22 15:10:45 <Stskeeps> :P
May 22 15:10:53 <ZogG> so what is hence?
May 22 15:11:01 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, N900 image available? :)
May 22 15:11:13 <Stskeeps> MohammadAG: no, wait for 1.0
May 22 15:11:31 <MohammadAG> thought 1.0 was released, my bad
May 22 15:12:16 <ZogG> there is image for n900
May 22 15:12:36 <Stskeeps> well, yes, codedrop
May 22 15:12:47 <ZogG> so you get image and than you isntall xfce4 yourself or there is ARM  pkg?
May 22 15:12:54 <MohammadAG> with a bash shell, I know about it
May 22 15:12:58 <Stskeeps> ZogG: arm pkg
May 22 15:13:04 <Stskeeps> ZogG: you have a n810?
May 22 15:13:05 <ZogG> ok
May 22 15:13:10 <ZogG> Stskeeps, i have n900
May 22 15:13:20 <Stskeeps> ah
May 22 15:13:33 <ZogG> one day i'll have guts to install gentoo on n900
May 22 15:13:46 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, was the Mer project stopped?
May 22 15:13:57 <Stskeeps> MohammadAG: right, no point continuing
May 22 15:14:09 <ZogG> why not?
May 22 15:14:17 <ZogG> cause of meego?
May 22 15:14:22 <Stskeeps> meego's pretty much doing what we wanted to do
May 22 15:14:22 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, may I ask who came up with that decision? :)
May 22 15:14:25 <Stskeeps> me?
May 22 15:14:35 * MohammadAG shoots Stskeeps 
May 22 15:14:36 <ZogG> i don't think there is any linux project that was made till the end
May 22 15:14:38 <happyblob> what happened to mer^2?
May 22 15:14:51 <happyblob> i thought there were some legitimate aims there
May 22 15:14:52 <javispedro> this again? :)
May 22 15:14:53 <ZogG> mer 2 point 0
May 22 15:15:03 <Stskeeps> happyblob: the general consensus seems to be that people want meego instead of recompiling fremantle
May 22 15:15:06 <ZogG> i say we make kmer
May 22 15:15:12 <ZogG> kde4 based
May 22 15:15:17 <ZogG> for n770
May 22 15:15:19 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, tbh I was more interested and excited about Mer than MeeGo
May 22 15:15:20 <ZogG> =D
May 22 15:15:27 * DocScrutinizer51 shoots MohammadAG 
May 22 15:15:37 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, what about the N810?
May 22 15:15:38 <ZogG> MohammadAG, but mer was unofficial, wasn't it?
May 22 15:15:46 <Stskeeps> MohammadAG: what about it? meego runs on there :)
May 22 15:15:52 <MohammadAG> yes, that's what was exciting about it
May 22 15:16:03 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, MeeGo runs on the N810?
May 22 15:16:31 <Stskeeps> MohammadAG: around same time N900 did, so did N810
May 22 15:16:36 <ZogG> meego runs in microwaves as intel said
May 22 15:16:56 <Stskeeps> MohammadAG: in fact, i brought meego on n810 to the first team meeting
May 22 15:16:59 <ZogG> maybe there are i7 in them but who cares it's microwave =)
May 22 15:17:18 * DocScrutinizer51 runs circles around meego
May 22 15:17:20 <ZogG> Stskeeps, there is thread in talks, i assume it';s yours
May 22 15:17:43 <ZogG> i don't care if it's meego or maemo or whatever until it works properly =)
May 22 15:17:48 <ZogG> and has the future
May 22 15:17:56 * arachnist runs his phenom on meego
May 22 15:18:11 <Stskeeps> ZogG: and i agree
May 22 15:18:17 <Stskeeps> so keep on using your current system
May 22 15:18:22 * javispedro plans to buy an i5 to skip the entire meego_x86 sse3 debacle
May 22 15:18:26 <ZogG> that's what i do
May 22 15:18:34 <ZogG> if n900 was't main phone i would expeement
May 22 15:18:42 <ZogG> but i don't have time to srew it up
May 22 15:18:51 * DocScrutinizer51 runs over #maemo
May 22 15:19:12 * javispedro kicks DocScrutinizer from #meego for being OT .... ooops.
May 22 15:19:20 <ZogG> anyway i heard rumors that Terminator is running meego and would be send from future to kill steeve Jobs before iphone is released
May 22 15:20:29 <DocScrutinizer51> javispedro: DocScrutinizer51 here. And I'm not even sure I'm on #meego :-P
May 22 15:21:04 <ZogG> you are on different client there
May 22 15:21:25 <MohammadAG> MeeGo uses RPM, and I hate that as much as DocScrutinizer51 hates gnome :)
May 22 15:21:41 <MohammadAG> 51, derived from RX-51
May 22 15:21:58 <ZogG> MohammadAG, why would you hate rpm
May 22 15:22:05 <ZogG> i don't care but you can convince me
May 22 15:22:25 <MohammadAG> why should I if you don't care? :)
May 22 15:22:41 <MohammadAG> grr brb
May 22 15:22:43 <MohammadAG> chem
May 22 15:22:46 * javispedro grabs some popcorn and and a cushy sofa
May 22 15:23:08 * MohammadAG raises javispedro's port voltage to 6V
May 22 15:23:13 * Arkenoi does not feel that either rpm or dpkg are significantly superior to other one
May 22 15:23:21 <Arkenoi> s/are/is/
May 22 15:23:54 * javispedro yawns at the idea of not having a deb vs rpm flame :'(
May 22 15:23:56 <satmd> so... it does not matter
May 22 15:24:08 <satmd> it really does not
May 22 15:25:12 * Arkenoi has rpm on desktop and development server and ubuntu on netbook and both are equally usable
May 22 15:25:26 <arachnist> both deb and rpm suck. but at least rpm spec files are easier to write
May 22 15:26:16 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ping
May 22 15:26:18 <infobot> ~pong
May 22 15:26:32 <DocScrutinizer51> o.O
May 22 15:26:51 <DocScrutinizer51> foobar
May 22 15:27:05 <DocScrutinizer51> s/bar/rar/
May 22 15:27:05 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51 meant: foorar
May 22 15:28:31 <DocScrutinizer51> ~seen Arkenoi
May 22 15:28:34 <infobot> arkenoi is currently on #maemo (2d 3h 14m 13s). Has said a total of 42 messages. Is idling for 5m 12s, last said: 'javispedro, which jre does microemulator use?'.
May 22 15:29:36 <DocScrutinizer51> cough
May 22 15:29:56 <DocScrutinizer51> aah
May 22 15:30:00 <DocScrutinizer51> action
May 22 15:30:02 * javispedro pongs DocScrutinizer with a big ball
May 22 15:30:41 * DocScrutinizer51 humbly asks for another big latte macchiato
May 22 15:30:59 <GAN900> Frufru coffee
May 22 15:31:37 * javispedro ponders
May 22 15:31:38 <javispedro> ok
May 22 15:31:49 <javispedro> so I know that garnetvm is calling cacheflush using old abi
May 22 15:32:01 <javispedro> but I've objdump -D * | grep swi to no avail
May 22 15:32:01 <DocScrutinizer51> not noticing it was an action is quite a fail
May 22 15:32:55 * DocScrutinizer51 ~ping
May 22 15:34:42 <DocScrutinizer51> infobot ignores actions completely, and doesn't remember s/x/y/ for 'last said'
May 22 15:38:20 <frals> ~seen frals
May 22 15:38:21 <infobot> frals is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 45 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen frals'.
May 22 15:38:38 <arachnist> ~seen infobot
May 22 15:38:39 <infobot> infobot is currently on #utos (4d 7h 49m 2s) #asterisk-doc (4d 7h 49m 2s) ##t42 (4d 7h 49m 2s) #maemo (4d 7h 49m 2s) #fredlug (4d 7h 49m 2s) ##ols (4d 7h 49m 2s) #flyspray (4d 7h 49m 2s) #asterisk-dev (4d 7h 49m 2s) #webos-internals (4d 7h 49m 2s) #opensimpad.org (4d 7h 49m 2s) #asterisk (4d 7h 49m 2s) #byumug (4d 7h 49m 2s) #wowprogramming (4d 7h 49m ...
May 22 15:38:59 <arachnist> ~seen arachnist
May 22 15:39:01 <infobot> arachnist is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 8 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen arachnist'.
May 22 15:39:12 <MohammadAG> you killed freenode
May 22 15:39:18 <arachnist> hah
May 22 15:40:53 <javispedro> hmm.... does anyone know what does the gnu disassembler understand for "svcpl", "svcvs" mnemonics before I have to look up the opcodes?
May 22 15:41:12 <DocScrutinizer> ~tell arachnist about query
May 22 15:43:13 * javispedro discovers svc=swi, ah well.
May 22 15:43:38 <DocScrutinizer> ferengi math?
May 22 15:44:01 <javispedro> is the marketing a star trek federation of marketers? then, yes.
May 22 15:44:09 <javispedro> er..
May 22 15:44:22 <javispedro> are the ferengi a star trek federation race of known marketers? then, yes.
May 22 15:45:12 <SpeedEvil> Has anyone seen javispedro and Yoda in the same room?
May 22 15:45:40 <DocScrutinizer> that's Lukas, not Roddenberry
May 22 15:45:57 <javispedro> SpeedEvil: you have a problem with my english? it directly from the master comes itself!
May 22 15:46:05 <javispedro> ;P
May 22 15:52:10 <DocScrutinizer> so quiet here. lemme spam some OT...
May 22 15:52:21 <DocScrutinizer> Take a pintglass (= approx 5 litres)
May 22 15:52:32 <DocScrutinizer> http://supercocktails.com/1851/Pan-Galactic-Gargle-Blaster
May 22 15:53:07 <MohammadAG> yep, DocScrutinizer's bored alright
May 22 15:57:34 * DocScrutinizer is gogling in vain for receipe of Geenon-T'Onyx
May 22 16:08:38 <Schorschl> tihihi http://www.designtagebuch.de/pixels-invasion-der-8-bit-kreaturen/
May 22 16:12:04 <DocScrutinizer> http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/dont-panic.png
May 22 16:13:03 <Schorschl> this video is pretty nice^^
May 22 16:13:19 <ZogG> video?
May 22 16:13:38 <Schorschl> the link to the blog
May 22 16:13:53 <RST38h> moo zap
May 22 16:14:02 <zap> hi :)
May 22 16:14:21 <ZogG> Schorschl image*
May 22 16:15:09 <Schorschl> oh no, i dont mean the image :D
May 22 16:15:22 <ZogG> openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/iwantyou2.png
May 22 16:20:28 <DocScrutinizer> http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/dontpanic-uboot.png even better (of course, was built to custom for me - like the other 2, but this seems the last version ;-P )
May 22 16:21:47 <DocScrutinizer> somebody said he's going to create a 'video' from it, to replace the shaking hands. Quite some months ago...
May 22 16:22:28 <PhonicUK> hey all
May 22 16:22:38 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, any idea how much the accelerometer takes?
May 22 16:22:43 <MohammadAG> hi PhonicUK
May 22 16:22:53 <DocScrutinizer> how much it *takes*?
May 22 16:23:01 <PhonicUK> whats that app that lets you use an N900 as a PS3 controller?
May 22 16:23:31 <PhonicUK> i cant find it
May 22 16:23:59 <TomaszD> something like sixaxis
May 22 16:24:06 <MohammadAG> SIXAXIS(TM) Support
May 22 16:24:31 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, err, how much mAs it uses?
May 22 16:24:58 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: Essetially nothing compared to the CPU power used in the wakeups
May 22 16:25:02 <PhonicUK> i thought that was to use the PS3 controller to control an N900
May 22 16:25:30 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, oh so turning off rotation doesn't really save power
May 22 16:25:30 * SpeedEvil wonders where his n900 is.
May 22 16:25:31 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG:  Vdd Supply voltage 2.16 2.5 3.6 V
May 22 16:25:43 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: Well - There is a seperate thing.
May 22 16:25:51 <DocScrutinizer> Idd Supply current T = 25°C, ODR=100Hz 0.3 0.4 mA
May 22 16:26:01 <MohammadAG> PhonicUK, what exactly did you ask for?
May 22 16:26:03 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: Done right, rotation is not done by polling the accel.
May 22 16:26:18 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: But by interrupts.
May 22 16:26:27 <PhonicUK> to make the N900 behave like a PS3 controller
May 22 16:26:41 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: Anyway - it's largely irrelevant - with the screen on - that tends to dwarf everything.
May 22 16:26:46 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, and is it "done right" on the N900?
May 22 16:26:49 <MohammadAG> oh
May 22 16:26:52 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: Not looked.
May 22 16:26:55 <MohammadAG> PhonicUK, BlueMaemo
May 22 16:27:11 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: So if the screen is +- one brightness step, that will have a much greater impact.
May 22 16:27:14 <PhonicUK> ty
May 22 16:27:19 <MohammadAG> developed by VDVsx
May 22 16:28:22 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, so 63 to 255 makes a difference?
May 22 16:28:29 <MohammadAG> 63 being level 4
May 22 16:28:53 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: sorry what?
May 22 16:29:02 <MohammadAG> brightness
May 22 16:29:08 <MohammadAG> display brightness
May 22 16:29:14 <DocScrutinizer> you bet it makes a diff
May 22 16:29:22 <MohammadAG> the 255 should've gave it away
May 22 16:29:26 <MohammadAG> 3 mins?
May 22 16:29:29 <MohammadAG> or so
May 22 16:29:50 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: a _huge_ difference.
May 22 16:30:12 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: IIRC - brightness at max - with CPU idle and displaying screen - uses about 3* the power as brightness at min
May 22 16:30:27 <DocScrutinizer> also please keep in mind backlight is relative to ALS as well, not only brightness setting
May 22 16:30:29 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption
May 22 16:30:32 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 22 16:30:53 <MohammadAG> ALS?
May 22 16:31:06 <SpeedEvil> Screen on - system idle - is around 80mA - backlight is anotehr 150mA - maximum.
May 22 16:31:28 <DocScrutinizer> nad also the screen and drive support adaptive backlight which means a dark screen *content* also reduces power consumption for backlight
May 22 16:31:40 <SpeedEvil> indeed.
May 22 16:32:03 <Gh0sty> hax++
May 22 16:32:07 <Gh0sty> http://ghosty.be/pics/n900/
May 22 16:32:18 <Gh0sty> this adapter used to be a UK plug :P
May 22 16:32:35 <DocScrutinizer> so absolute figures for power consumption of backlight are quite worthless unless precisely defined conditions
May 22 16:33:13 <MohammadAG> how is RAM accessed?
May 22 16:33:20 <MohammadAG> (on linux)
May 22 16:33:24 <DocScrutinizer> like "ambient light 1000lux to ALS aperture, white blank screen"
May 22 16:33:28 <MohammadAG> i.e how can it be dumped?
May 22 16:33:38 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: /proc/kcore
May 22 16:33:54 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: but that is disabled in the default kernel config.
May 22 16:33:56 <SpeedEvil> Or not enabled
May 22 16:34:15 <MohammadAG> isn't disabled = not enabled? :)
May 22 16:34:26 <SpeedEvil> no
May 22 16:34:42 <SpeedEvil> Disabled implies it was actively turned off.
May 22 16:34:51 <SpeedEvil> Not enabled implies it was not actively turned on.
May 22 16:34:58 <SpeedEvil> I don't happen to know the default state.
May 22 16:35:21 <DocScrutinizer> /dev/kmem ?
May 22 16:35:21 <MohammadAG> eitherways it's not in the default kernel
May 22 16:35:55 <SpeedEvil> kmem is - I think the virtual memory
May 22 16:35:59 <javispedro> what about /dev/mem?
May 22 16:36:00 <SpeedEvil> kcore is the physical
May 22 16:36:16 <MohammadAG> /dev/ram*
May 22 16:36:19 <MohammadAG> what's that?
May 22 16:36:26 <javispedro> nothing.
May 22 16:36:27 <SpeedEvil> ramdisk devices
May 22 16:36:51 <javispedro> (of interest, I meant :) )
May 22 16:36:53 <DocScrutinizer> anyway cat /dev/kmem | fsckd my device XP
May 22 16:37:03 <DocScrutinizer> cat /dev/kmem | less even
May 22 16:37:04 <MohammadAG> lol
May 22 16:37:16 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: read of byte 0 from it should cause page fault
May 22 16:37:19 <javispedro> so no wonder.
May 22 16:37:26 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
May 22 16:37:28 <javispedro> cat is not a tool for it, hd with skip might.
May 22 16:37:32 <MohammadAG> i was thinking of something like hibernate support
May 22 16:37:39 <javispedro> hah.
May 22 16:37:45 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: Ah - that's completely different
May 22 16:38:07 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, dump kcore and restore it?
May 22 16:38:12 <javispedro> god.
May 22 16:38:14 <SpeedEvil> no, you don't do it like that.
May 22 16:38:23 <SpeedEvil> It's a _whole_ lot more involved.
May 22 16:38:27 <DocScrutinizer> lmfao, it killed the desktop
May 22 16:38:40 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: your kernel might have oopsed.
May 22 16:38:53 <SpeedEvil> There is a whole infrastructure around how to hibernate without corruption.
May 22 16:38:55 <MohammadAG> javispedro, my apologies, that's how the PSP pulled it off ;)
May 22 16:39:09 <javispedro> MohammadAG: then it's not real hibernation.
May 22 16:39:11 <javispedro> example
May 22 16:39:18 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: prolly, but then why didn't it reboot completely?
May 22 16:39:26 <DocScrutinizer> or did it?
May 22 16:39:30 <MohammadAG> javispedro, it consumes power afaik (similar to sleep)
May 22 16:39:31 <javispedro> your disk controller is in the middle of writing a sector. you power it off. data lost.
May 22 16:39:45 <DocScrutinizer> it's over in the other room
May 22 16:39:59 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: oops is not fatal...
May 22 16:40:07 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: read usr/src/linux/Documentation/power/swsusp.txt
May 22 16:40:09 <MohammadAG> javispedro, so there's not much of a chance of hib. support on the N900?
May 22 16:40:19 <javispedro> MohammadAG: depends on wheter the drivers are up to the task.
May 22 16:40:20 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: You basically need _all_ the drivers to support hibernation.
May 22 16:40:33 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: Plus. It's of slightly questionable benefit.
May 22 16:40:36 <MohammadAG> which i doubt nokia considered
May 22 16:40:40 <javispedro> ++SpeedEvil
May 22 16:40:47 <javispedro> N900 boots in  what, seconds?
May 22 16:40:51 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: When you can have 150 hour battery life with wifi active.
May 22 16:40:55 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: quite polite say
May 22 16:40:58 <MohammadAG> well, my ip is static
May 22 16:40:59 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: That's not quite what I meant.
May 22 16:41:07 <DocScrutinizer> it's utterly useless
May 22 16:41:09 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: I would actually like suspend to 'disk'
May 22 16:41:21 <MohammadAG> so hibernate > replace batt > restore means i don't have to reconnect
May 22 16:41:35 <SpeedEvil> javispedro: Consider that you've got lots of stuff open - the whole of RAM can be dumped to disk in 20s, and restored in 20s
May 22 16:41:39 <SpeedEvil> yeah - replace bat
May 22 16:41:50 <SpeedEvil> that's one interesting app - for me.
May 22 16:42:03 <MohammadAG> i replace my battery quite often
May 22 16:42:07 <MohammadAG> 4 times a day maybe
May 22 16:42:08 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: I used suspend-to-ram on N810 iirc
May 22 16:42:22 <javispedro> there was no actual suspend-to-ram,
May 22 16:42:30 <javispedro> but fake suspend that on an omap is pretty much the same
May 22 16:42:55 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, ok
May 22 16:42:58 <javispedro> ie you disable everything that is disableable and sigstop everything -- n8x0 could be up this way for months
May 22 16:43:20 <DocScrutinizer> yeah I know
May 22 16:43:41 <MohammadAG> but technically i'd get everything back after "unsuspending" right?
May 22 16:43:48 <SpeedEvil> You can get to - I think - around 200h standby with all but the processor in the n900 turned off.
May 22 16:43:57 <GAN900> fanoush did 30 days in normal idle one time.
May 22 16:44:05 <DocScrutinizer> still dunno what 'suspend -s 1' or whatever is doing, esp what's different on a N810 campared to a 'normal' system
May 22 16:44:05 <GAN900> N810
May 22 16:44:06 <javispedro> of interest also is that libosso had support for a weird nokia-specific entirely user space hibernatio
May 22 16:44:07 <javispedro> n
May 22 16:44:27 <javispedro> which was initially designed for low power conditions
May 22 16:44:46 <javispedro> since it requires support from applications, it's pretty much useless
May 22 16:45:24 <MohammadAG> but is it doable in theory?
May 22 16:45:32 <MohammadAG> at least for battery replacement cases
May 22 16:45:52 <MohammadAG> of course it wouldn't be "real" hibernation support
May 22 16:45:59 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: depends on all the drivers playing nicely
May 22 16:46:17 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: In principle, yes, you can do it.
May 22 16:46:28 <MohammadAG> the suspend-to-ram app
May 22 16:46:40 <SpeedEvil> you really want to do it in kernel
May 22 16:46:46 <DocScrutinizer> if just one driver drops the ball on suspend, you lost the game
May 22 16:46:50 <SpeedEvil> Hmm
May 22 16:47:00 <SpeedEvil> What is echo mem >/sys/power/state doing
May 22 16:47:04 <SpeedEvil> it's doing _something_
May 22 16:47:49 <SpeedEvil> It seems to take much longer to respond to a ping - I wonder if it's actually going to sleep and then waking immediately
May 22 16:48:15 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: and I bet some closed source nokia driver, for e.g sound, or DSP, will throw sticks at your legs
May 22 16:48:37 <Stskeeps> no closed kernel drivers in n900
May 22 16:48:37 <Stskeeps> :P
May 22 16:48:44 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, right
May 22 16:48:57 <DocScrutinizer> so what's about the hw-accel?
May 22 16:49:10 <SpeedEvil> [20586.884216] PM: Entering mem sleep
May 22 16:49:10 <SpeedEvil> [20586.884246] Suspending console(s) (use no_console_suspend to debug)
May 22 16:49:10 <SpeedEvil> [20594.572631] Successfully put all powerdomains to target state
May 22 16:49:10 <SpeedEvil> [20594.954406] soc-audio soc-audio: scheduling resume work
May 22 16:49:10 <SpeedEvil> [20594.954437] soc-audio soc-audio: starting resume work
May 22 16:49:11 <SpeedEvil> [20594.977935] PM: Finishing wakeup.
May 22 16:49:12 <Stskeeps> 3d? libs
May 22 16:49:21 <SpeedEvil> echo mem >/sys/power/state
May 22 16:49:40 <SpeedEvil> Which wackily - I woke from suspend by a ping.
May 22 16:49:54 <DocScrutinizer> muhaha, that's quite refreshing such a 0.4s nap
May 22 16:50:47 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: use "sleep 1; echo foo..." otherwise you'll fall into the trap of suspending with pressed enter key
May 22 16:51:02 <SpeedEvil> yes, I know
May 22 16:51:09 <SpeedEvil> err
May 22 16:51:10 <DocScrutinizer> if you aren't working from ssh over wlan
May 22 16:51:27 <SpeedEvil> isn't that 12?
May 22 16:51:33 <SpeedEvil> 12s
May 22 16:51:58 <DocScrutinizer> err what?
May 22 16:52:21 <SpeedEvil> 594-586=1
May 22 16:52:21 <DocScrutinizer> I need <1s to press and release the return key
May 22 16:52:23 <SpeedEvil> 12
May 22 16:52:26 <pupnik> is it permissible to -sigstop other processes? if we -sigcont them?
May 22 16:52:29 <SpeedEvil> oh - right
May 22 16:52:38 <SpeedEvil> pupnik: in what context?
May 22 16:52:48 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: I was responding to the 0.5s comment
May 22 16:53:00 <MohammadAG> 3227mV, when does the N900 power down again?
May 22 16:53:09 <pupnik> i'm kidding.  i see other stuff taking up cpu sometimes and want to shut em down
May 22 16:53:11 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: 3240 IIRC with stock BME
May 22 16:53:11 <MohammadAG> 3220?
May 22 16:53:20 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: if you do 'stop bme' 2700
May 22 16:53:21 <MohammadAG> kk
May 22 16:53:24 <MohammadAG> ty
May 22 16:53:33 <DocScrutinizer> [20594.572631] Successfully put all powerdomains to target state    [20594.954406] soc-audio soc-audio: scheduling resume work
May 22 16:53:41 <DocScrutinizer> though you might be right
May 22 16:54:03 <SpeedEvil> I was assuming the domains mesasage was on the way up
May 22 16:54:22 <DocScrutinizer> the  [20594.954406] soc-audio soc-audio: scheduling resume work   actually might be printed *after* suspend period
May 22 16:54:37 <SpeedEvil> Oooh - impressive
May 22 16:54:45 <DocScrutinizer> err, the  [20594.572631] Successfully put all powerdomains to target state
May 22 16:54:46 <SpeedEvil> echo ram >power
May 22 16:55:00 * BugBlue is starting to hate it that I can't update some apps
May 22 16:55:01 <SpeedEvil> bq27200's 'SI' is 2mA after a couple of mins
May 22 16:55:18 <DocScrutinizer> wtf?
May 22 16:55:28 <BugBlue> something with qt4.6 and <TheVersionWhichShallNotBeNamed>
May 22 16:55:43 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: yeah -'domains'is onthe way up.
May 22 16:56:01 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Same with a couple of mins between suspend and resume.
May 22 16:56:12 <DocScrutinizer> 2mA might open path for a goldcap
May 22 16:56:31 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Note. That's 2mA - with the cellmoup.
May 22 16:56:41 <SpeedEvil> cellmo up
May 22 16:56:41 <DocScrutinizer> WHAT??
May 22 16:56:52 <SpeedEvil> Or I think itis.
May 22 16:56:54 * DocScrutinizer starring in disbelief
May 22 16:57:23 * DocScrutinizer doubts SpeedEvil's bq.script is correct
May 22 16:57:37 <SpeedEvil> Perhaps - it was saying 10mA before
May 22 16:57:39 <ShadowJK> SI ignores bursts/peaks
May 22 16:57:51 <jaska> think i need to recompile the terminal on n900, the colors are off like they were with diablo terminal
May 22 16:57:56 <DocScrutinizer> should average them
May 22 16:58:00 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: yeah
May 22 16:58:04 <DocScrutinizer> aah, actually not
May 22 16:58:05 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: it's notmeant for that
May 22 16:58:12 <ShadowJK> Or rather, it counts bursts/peaks as active instead of idle ;)
May 22 16:58:15 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: It's meant for 'what's the stanadby current
May 22 16:58:21 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: exactly
May 22 16:58:50 <SpeedEvil> not average standby
May 22 16:58:55 <ShadowJK> Though if you can get it to stay in STR for a few hours you'd be able to use the NAC to calculate average consumption ;p
May 22 16:59:12 <DocScrutinizer> everything >x*SI (with x=?? 2, or 4?)
May 22 16:59:15 <SpeedEvil> yes - I was ponderin that next
May 22 17:00:05 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: you're outsmarting me on my own playground ;-D
May 22 17:00:38 <SpeedEvil> yeah - cellmo active
May 22 17:00:39 * DocScrutinizer blames biorhythm
May 22 17:00:41 <SpeedEvil> wakes on ring
May 22 17:00:46 <MohammadAG> LOL
May 22 17:00:59 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: doesn't mean a thing though
May 22 17:01:06 <MohammadAG> what was my quit messgae?
May 22 17:01:14 <DocScrutinizer> modem power is highly burst driven
May 22 17:01:17 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: yes - I know - I need to look at the capacity decrement over a few hours
May 22 17:01:19 <MohammadAG> wondering how osso-powerup-shutdown closes apps?
May 22 17:01:26 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Well - it does mean a thing
May 22 17:02:02 <DocScrutinizer> though those modem bursts are 0.5..2sec
May 22 17:02:06 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: In that SI of 10 before, 2 after, clearly means you have at least ~1%/hour less drain.
May 22 17:02:17 <DocScrutinizer> so should fall into the avrg window
May 22 17:02:30 <SpeedEvil> Which makes suspend at least what ... >300h?
May 22 17:02:48 <ShadowJK> maybe put cellmo into offline mode before str?
May 22 17:03:00 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 22 17:03:37 <MohammadAG> does soft poweroff actually differ from offline mode?
May 22 17:03:45 <DocScrutinizer> probably gives you a gew k hours of "standby" :-)
May 22 17:04:19 <MohammadAG> but it doesn't do anything
May 22 17:04:21 <SpeedEvil> ok - starting suspend at 441mAh
May 22 17:04:34 <SpeedEvil> in offline mode
May 22 17:04:34 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: we await your reports around 2010-08-01 then ;-P
May 22 17:04:49 <SpeedEvil> I suppose I need to leave it at least an hour.
May 22 17:05:22 <Funnyface> hmm my mate told me he broke his N900's USB jack :\
May 22 17:05:38 <Funnyface> he got it covered by warranty, but still shows it's weak
May 22 17:05:46 * DocScrutinizer throws one of his hacked gta02 batteries at SpeedEvil
May 22 17:06:10 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: hacked how?
May 22 17:06:11 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, preferrably more considering bq27200.sh uses integer arithmetic and thus you don't get decimals :-)
May 22 17:06:14 <SpeedEvil> Internal bq?
May 22 17:06:30 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: attached a few wires, to use amp-meter ;-P
May 22 17:06:35 <MohammadAG> it's labelled "hacked"
May 22 17:06:37 <MohammadAG> :P
May 22 17:06:51 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: hmm - capacity is stored in what units?
May 22 17:07:06 <ShadowJK> 3.57 µVh iirc
May 22 17:07:06 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: Is it 5*3.7uVs's?
May 22 17:07:07 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: gta02 battery is with internal bq
May 22 17:07:52 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, there's no factor 5 in there
May 22 17:07:58 <SpeedEvil> 5s
May 22 17:08:08 <ShadowJK> NAC=$(($NAC * 3570 / $RS / 1000))
May 22 17:08:10 <DocScrutinizer> nah
May 22 17:08:21 <ShadowJK> AI=$(($AI * 3570 / $RS / 1000))
May 22 17:08:44 <SpeedEvil> hmm
May 22 17:08:45 <ShadowJK> Though AI is 8bit and NAC is 16bit
May 22 17:08:47 <ShadowJK> iirc
May 22 17:08:54 <DocScrutinizer> the 5s figure nowhere shows up
May 22 17:09:00 <ShadowJK> no sorry they're both 16bit
May 22 17:09:03 <SpeedEvil> k
May 22 17:09:13 <SpeedEvil> AI=SI?
May 22 17:09:24 <DocScrutinizer> all the same
May 22 17:09:39 <DocScrutinizer> for the formula
May 22 17:09:44 <ShadowJK> yeah
May 22 17:10:16 <DocScrutinizer> there's just a 1) and a 2) footnote
May 22 17:11:12 <DocScrutinizer> one some 3.7uVh, the other some 27 iirc
May 22 17:11:48 <DocScrutinizer> err 3.57
May 22 17:12:47 <DocScrutinizer> rip a battery and cut the gnd wire. Attach two wires for your amp-meter :-)
May 22 17:15:08 <DocScrutinizer> for sure is cheaper than fixing the solder on the battery posts of N900
May 22 17:15:36 <DocScrutinizer> if you add a 3rd wire for V+, you can even use it to feed power from a PSU
May 22 17:16:30 <DocScrutinizer> probe cell voltage and current
May 22 17:16:39 <DocScrutinizer> and do other weird things :-D
May 22 17:17:27 <merlin1991> just a general question, how long did it take you guys to set up the sdk?
May 22 17:17:41 <DocScrutinizer> errm, some hours
May 22 17:18:04 <merlin1991> I'm @ 2 hours 30 now :D
May 22 17:18:17 <merlin1991> mostly waiting for stuff to dl
May 22 17:18:17 <DocScrutinizer> mostly to download, and figure what I did wrong
May 22 17:18:33 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
May 22 17:18:47 <DocScrutinizer> obviously depends on your internet link
May 22 17:19:08 <merlin1991> should have done it when I was back in vienna, 2mb vs 400kb :D
May 22 17:19:21 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
May 22 17:20:00 <DocScrutinizer> also doing such things NOT at weekends when maemo.org is usually slow as hell might help a lot
May 22 17:20:41 <merlin1991> hehe
May 22 17:20:54 <merlin1991> I'm dl with my max speed from here, so it's ok
May 22 17:21:21 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, tmo seems quite responsive atm
May 22 17:21:27 <DocScrutinizer> unusual
May 22 17:21:37 * MohammadAG brings it down
May 22 17:21:42 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 22 17:22:13 <merlin1991> someone with a ddos network? ;)
May 22 17:22:35 <DocScrutinizer> tmo IS a ddos network ;-P
May 22 17:22:39 <MohammadAG> got 3 friends on the other server who can bring it down :)
May 22 17:26:20 * GAN900 's Windows 98
May 22 17:26:38 <GAN900> Can't copy text from GMail into WordPad apparently.
May 22 17:27:07 <MohammadAG> what's CONFIG_VIDEO_MACH?
May 22 17:28:20 <GAN900> Er, <3's 98
May 22 17:29:45 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: win98 ?? o.O
May 22 17:29:59 <GAN900> Yeah, work machines
May 22 17:30:07 <DocScrutinizer> ugh
May 22 17:30:47 <GAN900> One of the first bookstores in the US to computerize
May 22 17:30:53 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: commet out it and you'll learn
May 22 17:30:54 <GAN900> What are you gonna do? ;)
May 22 17:31:20 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, yeah
May 22 17:31:21 <johnsq> Hi
May 22 17:31:42 <opdf2> im tryin to install adblock plus from http://browser.garage.maemo.org/extensions/adblock_plus-1.1.1-fx+sm+tb+mb.xpi
May 22 17:31:48 <opdf2> It sasy not valid install package though
May 22 17:32:29 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, it's already set to =m, HA!
May 22 17:32:57 <DocScrutinizer> modprobe -r then ;-P
May 22 17:33:02 <MohammadAG> lol
May 22 17:33:07 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, CONFIG_SUSPEND=y
May 22 17:33:13 <MohammadAG> default ^
May 22 17:36:11 <DocScrutinizer> seems it's the right time of day for a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster
May 22 17:36:32 * DocScrutinizer waves
May 22 17:36:44 * MohammadAG waves
May 22 17:38:48 <MohammadAG> I'm tempted to comment this out CONFIG_WATCHDOG=y
May 22 17:42:38 <moo---_> MohammadAG: i think it is automatic restart when something crashes?
May 22 17:42:58 <MohammadAG> which is why i'm tempted to take it out
May 22 17:43:40 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, hi, is it you that is comfortable trying to find out power drain
May 22 17:43:49 <lcuk> for different components
May 22 17:44:08 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
May 22 17:44:39 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, :P
May 22 17:49:30 <Ikarus> hrm, anyone know where in the API docs I can find info on the filechoser ?
May 22 17:52:46 <peetah> ls
May 22 17:52:53 <peetah> oops sorry
May 22 17:52:59 <lcuk> SpeedEvil if you are able to run some tests MohammadAG will give details. ;)
May 22 17:53:02 * lcuk runs back to lab
May 22 17:56:14 <SpeedEvil> lcuyes
May 22 17:57:11 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: err - what was lcuk going on about?
May 22 17:57:22 <MohammadAG> /query'd it
May 22 17:58:44 <SpeedEvil> ah
May 22 18:04:06 <SpeedEvil> Hmm. After 1h - 2mAh down. Neat.
May 22 18:08:09 <Ikarus> I can't find it as part of the Hildon API
May 22 18:08:56 <Ikarus> and it doesn't seem to be quite the standard Gtk selector hmz
May 22 18:08:56 <merlin1991> uhm crazy question, but how to type a @ in scratchbox? :D
May 22 18:13:09 <Ikarus> hrm, runFileChooser
May 22 18:13:40 <Ikarus> oh, wait, that is just a wrapper
May 22 18:19:13 <shinkamui> anyone know whats new in the latest build of opera 10?
May 22 18:19:18 <shinkamui> nothing stated on their blog site
May 22 18:20:05 <SpeedEvil> shinkamui: I vaguely recall some mention of lack of errors when saving preferences.
May 22 18:20:08 <SpeedEvil> They have a 'forum'
May 22 18:20:27 <shinkamui> ha ha
May 22 18:20:51 <shinkamui> was hoping something new
May 22 18:22:40 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: 2mAh is actually nice
May 22 18:23:02 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Indeed - I'm doing better measurements now.
May 22 18:23:20 <DocScrutinizer> 1F = 1As/V
May 22 18:23:21 <SpeedEvil> 2G/3G/'airplane mode'
May 22 18:23:22 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
May 22 18:23:25 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 22 18:24:54 <DocScrutinizer> so 1mF should yield 1s at 1mA while going down from 4V to 3V
May 22 18:25:59 <Ikarus> DocScrutinizer: only if it is perfect
May 22 18:26:01 <DocScrutinizer> given we want 10s @ 2mA for 3V5-3V0
May 22 18:26:22 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Indeed i's not completely implausible.
May 22 18:26:40 <DocScrutinizer> 40.000uF if my math isn't roten
May 22 18:26:42 <SpeedEvil> But it's in the range of 'annoying' sizes.
May 22 18:27:29 <DocScrutinizer> not for a goldcap
May 22 18:28:46 <DocScrutinizer> or even one of those CR1150 LiIon bupbats
May 22 18:29:36 <SpeedEvil> No.
May 22 18:29:42 <SpeedEvil> They are annoyingly spendy though
May 22 18:31:57 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
May 22 18:32:50 * DocScrutinizer ponders about a 50mAh USB dongle, to bridge the hotswap time for main battery
May 22 18:33:50 <DocScrutinizer> given we config and manage bq24150 correctly, this should pan out quite well
May 22 18:34:27 <summel> http://www.aavamobile.com/downloads.php where can i get that maemo theme? :o
May 22 18:35:46 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Something like a li-ion AAA cell, with boost, along with a normal battery in a case'd work well.
May 22 18:36:08 <frals> fuck me vertsms code is messy
May 22 18:36:08 <DocScrutinizer> too complicated
May 22 18:36:24 <DocScrutinizer> use 3 pcs NiCad button cells
May 22 18:36:26 <frals> almost as bad as my own code!
May 22 18:36:39 <DocScrutinizer> or 4
May 22 18:37:00 <DocScrutinizer> just charge to 5V for a few 10s seconds
May 22 18:37:13 <DocScrutinizer> via VBUS boost
May 22 18:37:48 <DocScrutinizer> then switch to 2mA suspend and bq24150 'charging' mode with ultralow charge end current
May 22 18:38:08 <DocScrutinizer> should work like a charm
May 22 18:38:24 <MohammadAG> should != will
May 22 18:38:31 <MohammadAG> i've learned that with maemo
May 22 18:38:33 <MohammadAG> :)
May 22 18:38:38 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: you know me?
May 22 18:39:29 <MohammadAG> ~DocScrutinizer
May 22 18:39:30 <infobot> from memory, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
May 22 18:39:30 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: you *should* know me by now
May 22 18:39:34 <MohammadAG> ~joerg
May 22 18:39:35 <infobot> joerg is probably a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer
May 22 18:39:42 <MohammadAG> now I do
May 22 18:40:06 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, yeah, you keep looking into something till it works
May 22 18:40:19 <DocScrutinizer> who said "hostmode _should_ work" ?
May 22 18:43:20 <DocScrutinizer> stop bme, so we hope it's not tearing down the system on detecting battery removal (by whatever means it does that, or does it at all?)
May 22 18:44:33 <scr4ve> damnit. I just used Erminig which emptied my calendar - any way to get the data back?
May 22 18:45:45 <DocScrutinizer> restore backup ;-P
May 22 18:47:02 <scr4ve> DocScrutinizer: Sounds nice, but it isn't. any other ways around this?
May 22 18:47:27 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: could you try to go to 2mA suspend while actually charging, then remove the battery for a few seconds?
May 22 18:47:33 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, can't remember, was it you? :P
May 22 18:47:35 <scr4ve> debugfs says Bad magic number in super-block while opening filesystem :-/
May 22 18:49:08 <MohammadAG> ntfs support, might come in handy
May 22 18:49:18 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: maybe even stop bme before, and wait for 32s until bq24150 has reset and entered autonomous charge method
May 22 18:53:37 <ZogG_N900> boring
May 22 18:54:53 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, why isn't it resetting here!
May 22 18:55:16 <DocScrutinizer51> ehh?
May 22 18:55:24 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: yeah - will do that sometime tonight
May 22 18:55:32 <MohammadAG> 32s
May 22 18:56:12 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: it does. maybe you don't notice
May 22 18:56:30 <MohammadAG> :S
May 22 18:56:42 <hrw> morning
May 22 18:56:43 <MohammadAG> flickering is something i notice
May 22 18:57:02 <DocScrutinizer> bah
May 22 18:57:38 <DocScrutinizer> you're using some weird messed up kernel that fiddles with twl4030 broken chargepump
May 22 18:59:02 <DocScrutinizer> and who knows what hat flickering LED of your USB stick *actually* is indicating... Maybe data traffic, maybe bus resets
May 22 19:00:17 <jaska> quanta teleported
May 22 19:00:27 <Ikarus> TWL4030's charge pump is quite unnecessery
May 22 19:00:46 <MohammadAG> yeah, take it out
May 22 19:00:56 <MohammadAG> :|
May 22 19:01:49 <Ikarus> well, more that the VBus pump on the charge controller should be sufficient
May 22 19:02:16 <SpeedEvil> More likely there is some feed from a 3.3V line somehow - so it's getting ~2.8V or so into the USB stick - which puts - if it has a LDO in it - the internal voltage at - maybe 2.5V, when it should be 3.3.
May 22 19:02:39 <SpeedEvil> Which is enough to make it glow and do strange things, but not actually work
May 22 19:02:57 <merlin1991> hm any input on how I could type a @ in scratchbox? I know it's something with the keyboard layout but not what :/
May 22 19:04:12 <SpeedEvil> alt-space?
May 22 19:04:32 <merlin1991> nope
May 22 19:05:54 <SpeedEvil> Anyone looked at getting 'carman' up on n900?
May 22 19:11:32 <DocScrutinizer> never heard of, except of a Volkwagen iirc
May 22 19:11:50 <merlin1991> has there been any attempt to get a xfire conversation plugin done?
May 22 19:12:10 <DocScrutinizer> nah, that's been Karman
May 22 19:14:58 <DocScrutinizer> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_Karmann-Ghia_Typ_14
May 22 19:17:10 <MohammadAG> carman?
May 22 19:23:43 <MohammadAG> GRRR
May 22 19:23:53 <MohammadAG> why don't bt mice work with fremantle!
May 22 19:24:02 <MohammadAG> (usb mice do the same)
May 22 19:24:16 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, any suggestions on how to do the xorg.conf stuff?
May 22 19:24:48 <Ikarus> Hmz, anyone else here tried compcache to improve swap performance ?
May 22 19:25:02 <Ikarus> I am trying to figure out how I could best benchmark it
May 22 19:27:04 <GAN900> Does anybody else find the Android codenames to be stupid and silly?
May 22 19:27:38 <MohammadAG> they're actually quite yummy
May 22 19:28:04 <Stskeeps> GAN900: i'm petitioning to have MeeGo 1.0 be nicknamed 'Hope' as it's one of the most used words around MeeGo ;)
May 22 19:28:29 * MohammadAG suggest "The Titanic"
May 22 19:28:36 <Ikarus> Stskeeps: heh, I am in favor
May 22 19:28:37 <MohammadAG> suggests*
May 22 19:31:02 <Stskeeps> or, a new hope, :P
May 22 19:31:04 <Stskeeps> evening kathy
May 22 19:31:22 <RevdKathy> Evenin stskeeps ;-) Evening all
May 22 19:31:37 <frals> lo RevdKathy o/
May 22 19:32:01 <RevdKathy> Lo Frals! You sobered up after getting fMMS into extras yet?
May 22 19:32:05 <tybollt_> \o
May 22 19:32:08 <frals> hehe
May 22 19:32:13 <MohammadAG> morning RevdKathy :)
May 22 19:32:19 <tybollt_> frals sober? gimme a break ;)
May 22 19:32:55 <RevdKathy> 'Lo tybolly_ 'lo MohammadAG
May 22 19:32:58 <frals> RevdKathy: im still holding out till i get the bottle of booze lcuk promised me... ;-)
May 22 19:33:05 <frals> bah @ people having .pyo/.pyc files in git repos
May 22 19:33:21 <tybollt_> RevdKathy: cheers
May 22 19:33:29 <RevdKathy> lcuk is down to about 93 bottles of beer by now, I think
May 22 19:33:34 <frals> :D
May 22 19:33:51 <tybollt_> 93 bottles of beer, take on down pass it around 92 bottles of beer on the wall...
May 22 19:34:12 <MohammadAG> what does THAT mean!
May 22 19:34:17 <GAN900> Hey-ho, RevdKathy.
May 22 19:34:25 <RevdKathy> lcuk was trying to get them all druk so he could do more graffitti on his wall
May 22 19:34:47 <RevdKathy> Hiya GAN900 how's tricks?
May 22 19:35:30 <GAN900> RevdKathy, pretty good. Back working for the Summer. Nice to be on a real schedule again.
May 22 19:35:56 <RevdKathy> summer work away from college, or is college done now, GAN900?
May 22 19:42:08 <ml-mobile> is there any kernel facility for killing any process that consumes too many seconds of consecutive processor time?
May 22 19:47:02 <MohammadAG> ping
May 22 19:47:25 <reggna> pong
May 22 19:48:22 <MohammadAG> ty
May 22 19:48:28 <reggna> np
May 22 19:48:44 <RevdKathy> You guys playing badminton?
May 22 19:49:03 <_llll_> wiff-waff, surely
May 22 19:49:11 <Stskeeps> i kinda wish, good weather for badminton today
May 22 19:49:51 <RevdKathy> or beach volleyball
May 22 19:50:55 <GAN900> RevdKathy, away from.
May 22 19:51:07 <GAN900> RevdKathy, probably another year, then grad school.
May 22 19:51:35 <RevdKathy> You'll be well qualified by then!!!
May 22 19:58:55 * tybollt_ sighs
May 22 19:59:11 <tybollt_> nokia - give us MOAR maemo/meego phones MOAR
May 22 20:00:33 <tybollt_> maemo/meego _sooo_ needs something X10 mini/htc tatoo sized...
May 22 20:01:14 <luke-jr> ...
May 22 20:01:31 <luke-jr> as if the N900 isn't already too small
May 22 20:02:01 <Ikarus> luke-jr: it could do with being a bit flatter
May 22 20:02:02 <haltdef> htc universal sized n900 pls
May 22 20:05:20 <luke-jr> Ikarus: nonsense
May 22 20:05:32 <luke-jr> even my N810 is far thinner than it needs to be
May 22 20:05:48 <Ikarus> luke-jr: it doesn't work well in my pants pocket
May 22 20:06:05 <luke-jr> why not?
May 22 20:06:21 <luke-jr> 2 - 2.5 cm would be a good thickness
May 22 20:06:40 <luke-jr> N810 is about 1 cm
May 22 20:06:49 <Ikarus> luke-jr: no way
May 22 20:07:14 <luke-jr> ya way
May 22 20:07:24 <luke-jr> not my fault you have teeny tiny pockets :P
May 22 20:10:21 <johnsq> luke-jr: just take two n810 with you
May 22 20:10:24 <GAN900> luke-jr, just get that Dell thing.
May 22 20:10:35 <luke-jr> johnsq: haha, if only it was that simple
May 22 20:10:39 <luke-jr> GAN900: ???
May 22 20:11:37 <GAN900> luke-jr, that 5" tablet phone thing they've got. Mini 5
May 22 20:18:45 <trumee> anybody using DC-6 for charging N900?
May 22 20:18:54 <Stskeeps> a plane? kinda challenging?
May 22 20:19:03 <trumee> my dc-6 doesnt work :(
May 22 20:19:27 <trumee> wondering what else should i use.
May 22 20:21:13 <SpeedEvil> One of these? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC9
May 22 20:22:30 <luke-jr> GAN900: where's the keyboard?
May 22 20:27:50 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, ping?
May 22 20:38:13 <GAN900> luke-jr, ah, right, that.
May 22 20:38:16 <GAN900> Well, almost.
May 22 20:38:37 <Stskeeps> MohammadAG: sortof pong
May 22 20:38:53 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, huge lag :)
May 22 20:55:51 * GAN900 wonders why Stskeeps picked up thumbs.
May 22 20:55:58 <Stskeeps> hmm?
May 22 20:57:06 <Stskeeps> thumbs down?
May 22 20:57:15 <Stskeeps> the anti-stskeeps brigade, obviously
May 22 20:59:08 <GAN900> Ha
May 22 21:01:02 <GAN900> Meets every Friday night in geneven's basement?
May 22 21:01:58 <Stskeeps> my n810 is showing meego with xfce4 without watchdogs turned off, who cares about the naysayers..
May 22 21:03:18 <GAN900> VNC!
May 22 21:03:45 <Stskeeps> mm?
May 22 21:10:56 <RevdKathy> Goodnight all!
May 22 21:11:26 <MohammadAG> night RevdKathy
May 22 21:13:39 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: again, what productive use can that be? :P
May 22 21:15:17 <GAN900> Stskeeps, clearly you're just VNCing into another machine.
May 22 21:15:43 <Stskeeps> GAN900: pft
May 22 21:15:44 <Stskeeps> :P
May 22 21:16:08 <luke-jr> GAN900: that would be a step up from his xfce4
May 22 21:16:28 <GAN900> Stskeeps, so any visual "proof" you try to provide is suspect. :P
May 22 21:16:33 <luke-jr> wireless networking begins to be useful...
May 22 21:16:46 <luke-jr> no clue why p54spi doesn't seem to do anything tho
May 22 21:16:52 <Stskeeps> is it enabled in he config?
May 22 21:16:54 <luke-jr> there's not even an interface
May 22 21:16:56 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: it is in mine
May 22 21:17:00 <luke-jr> and the module is loaded
May 22 21:19:04 <luke-jr> quite frankly, I'm surprised BME works
May 22 21:19:12 <luke-jr> I guess that's that big N8x0 patch tho
May 22 21:19:24 <Stskeeps> BME works on yours?
May 22 21:19:31 <Stskeeps> odd, didn't on mine
May 22 21:20:07 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: I assume so, since it remained on overnight
May 22 21:20:21 <Stskeeps> chroot trick right?
May 22 21:20:23 <luke-jr> doesn't BME need to work to run it once the battery dies?
May 22 21:20:25 <Stskeeps> ie, in initfs
May 22 21:20:27 <luke-jr> chroot trick?
May 22 21:20:34 <luke-jr> I boot to bootmenu initfs
May 22 21:20:38 <Stskeeps> ah
May 22 21:20:39 <Stskeeps> true
May 22 21:21:00 <luke-jr> also, I *did* need to disable some watchdog
May 22 21:21:08 <luke-jr> OMAP or "lifeguard"
May 22 21:21:31 <Stskeeps> retu's the culprit
May 22 21:23:42 <tybollt_> stskeeps: will meego "fix" the optifying misstake?
May 22 21:23:53 <Stskeeps> tybollt_: i answered that already
May 22 21:24:02 <tybollt_> d'oh, sorry
May 22 21:24:45 <Stskeeps> 'yes, i bloody hope so, no 256mb nand involved'
May 22 21:25:10 <tybollt_> thanks, it had escaped my /lastlog ;-|
May 22 21:25:39 <luke-jr> basically, that 256 MB NAND is now an oversized boot partition :P
May 22 21:25:39 <tybollt_> Stskeeps: that means you're using a !N900?
May 22 21:25:51 <luke-jr> tybollt_: N810 has internal SD
May 22 21:26:02 <Stskeeps> tybollt_: i use a n810 and a n900
May 22 21:26:10 <Stskeeps> and what luke-jr said
May 22 21:26:31 <red> any good ebook reader apps on maemo?
May 22 21:26:41 * luke-jr ponders if the internal SD can be upgraded practically
May 22 21:27:41 * tybollt_ is confused now - sounds an awfull lot like they've learned from prior  misstakes but ... I wasn't aware programmers did that... :-P
May 22 21:28:01 <tybollt_> Stskeeps, luke: good news indeed.
May 22 21:28:05 <DrGrov> Hello
May 22 21:29:37 <luke-jr> tybollt_: it doesn't really fix anything
May 22 21:29:44 <luke-jr> just pretends there was never a problem more like
May 22 21:30:52 <red> mmh
May 22 21:31:05 <red> was only able to locate the gutenberg app for ebooks from app manager
May 22 21:31:11 <red> is it the only one?
May 22 21:31:16 <red> need to be able to read .lit books :)
May 22 21:31:53 <luke-jr> or just convert them to PDF
May 22 21:32:02 <red> maybe
May 22 21:39:41 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: retu is enabled
May 22 21:49:13 <GAN900> red, you wont read them natively
May 22 21:49:21 <GAN900> Somebody compiled convert lit, though
May 22 21:49:33 <GAN900> HTML works great in FBReader.
May 22 21:49:42 <GAN900> luke-jr, and sod off with your PDF ebooks.
May 22 21:49:52 <GAN900> PDF is the worst format ever for mobile reading. :P
May 22 21:50:27 <SpeedEvil> GAN900: Pretty much.
May 22 21:50:41 <SpeedEvil> Is clit in the repos?
May 22 21:51:34 <GAN900> Last time I checked, no.
May 22 21:51:49 <GAN900> Sounds like a nice thing for SpeedEvil to fix. :P
May 22 21:52:20 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: fwiw, I created a 140 MB dummy file on tmpfs without diskswap
May 22 21:52:34 <luke-jr> (it got to 140 MB before OOM killer went crazy)
May 22 21:53:16 <SpeedEvil> GAN900: ?
May 22 21:59:38 <Milhouse> clit???
May 22 21:59:41 <b-man> i _almost_ have a functional port of netbeans-6.0 for maemo :)
May 22 22:00:07 <b-man> brb
May 22 22:02:58 <jd8> Does any one know if it is possible to partition the n900 emmc and have it host a bootable linux distro? (So I cant boot linux on my laptop from the n900)
May 22 22:03:26 <GAN900> SpeedEvil, uploading clit.
May 22 22:03:35 <crashanddie> clit?
May 22 22:03:36 <GAN900> Milhouse, you highlight on that or something? :P
May 22 22:04:00 <SpeedEvil> Convert Lit.
May 22 22:04:09 <crashanddie> that is such a horrible name
May 22 22:04:09 <SpeedEvil> It is a program to convert lit files into html
May 22 22:04:20 <crashanddie> call it litc
May 22 22:04:20 <SpeedEvil> You've just got a dirty mind.
May 22 22:04:50 <crashanddie> that's like calling an [insert something] analyser and calling it "Anal"
May 22 22:04:54 <MohammadAG> i misinterpreted it too :P
May 22 22:07:02 <MohammadAG> oh god
May 22 22:07:19 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, off topic is going way off topic on tmo :)
May 22 22:07:30 <crashanddie> and you're telling me because?
May 22 22:07:37 <Macer> haha. bones is funny.. "yeah but she said it as an anthropoligist so it sounded more sciency"
May 22 22:07:40 * MohammadAG thinks it should be closed
May 22 22:07:57 <MohammadAG> you were a previous mod, that fact will haunt you for the rest of your life crashanddie
May 22 22:09:48 <Milhouse> GAN900: Clit - just a slightly rude word in English, that is all. :)
May 22 22:10:11 <GAN900> Milhouse, no, it's a beautiful word you twat. :P
May 22 22:10:19 <Milhouse> lol
May 22 22:10:30 <Milhouse> See you next Tuesday!!
May 22 22:13:22 <Macer> omg i ate a whole pizza and feel like a bloated pig
May 22 22:13:34 <Macer> thank God i don't gain weight :)
May 22 22:13:54 <Macer> i've been 6'3" and 195 lbs for like 15 years
May 22 22:15:02 <GAN900> Milhouse, what's Tuesday?
May 22 22:15:51 <Milhouse> It's an expression, not an invite - don't make me spell it out for you ;)
May 22 22:16:11 <Milhouse> C...U... etc. :)
May 22 22:16:56 <Milhouse> GAN: Apparently it may be "London slang" - fancy that. http://www.londonslang.com/riley/
May 22 22:17:22 <SpeedEvil> (10:47:14 PM) MohammadAG left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection).
May 22 22:17:24 <SpeedEvil> err
May 22 22:17:40 <SpeedEvil> http://www.urbandictionary.com/
May 22 22:17:41 <SpeedEvil> even
May 22 22:17:49 <SpeedEvil> Lots of amusing terms.
May 22 22:18:49 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, ?
May 22 22:19:13 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: accidental paste
May 22 22:19:20 <GAN900> Milhouse, mmm
May 22 22:19:20 <MohammadAG> lies
May 22 22:19:27 <MohammadAG> :P
May 22 22:24:01 <MohammadAG> swapping batteries
May 22 22:25:02 <tybollt_> hrrm android ona iPhone
May 22 22:25:12 <tybollt_> so git me android ona n900 :)
May 22 22:28:31 <crashanddie> god I'm so friggin bored
May 22 22:31:11 <frals> i was well bored so i wrote a qwerty keyboard for vertsms :(
May 22 22:31:55 * MohammadAG pushes frals's changes as V0.5 :P
May 22 22:37:03 <GAN900> tybollt_, Android sux
May 22 22:37:33 <GAN900> frals, have you pushed the PR1.2 fMMS anywhere yet?
May 22 22:37:45 <frals> GAN900: its in extras ;o
May 22 22:39:38 <GAN900> frals, how does it grab operator info?
May 22 22:39:58 <frals> /etc/operator_settings, matching with MCC and MNC and operator_display_name
May 22 22:40:00 <crashanddie> anyone know of companies that are looking for remote workers?
May 22 22:40:12 <frals> the last part being wrong, ive realised :(
May 22 22:40:12 <SpeedEvil> GAN900: http://xkcd.com/416/
May 22 22:40:51 <GAN900> crashanddie, Direct Sales, Inc.'s telemarketing department?
May 22 22:41:01 <crashanddie> yeah, maybe not that
May 22 22:41:42 <crashanddie> more like, interesting job, development, meh
May 22 22:42:45 <tybollt_> GAN900: "PR1.2 fMMS"???
May 22 22:42:57 <tybollt_> GAN900: you saying what I think you're saying there?
May 22 22:43:08 * tybollt_ holds breath - please pat my back if I turn blue
May 22 22:43:34 <MohammadAG> tybollt_, yes, PR1.2 was released
May 22 22:43:57 * MohammadAG waits
May 22 22:44:09 <SpeedEvil> Where is PR1.3?
May 22 22:44:14 <frals> :D
May 22 22:44:30 <tybollt_> seriously
May 22 22:44:44 <tybollt_> is fMMS slaited for inclusion upstream?
May 22 22:44:47 <tybollt_> slated...
May 22 22:44:57 <tybollt_> is what I was thinking
May 22 22:45:10 <frals> not that im aware
May 22 22:45:13 <tybollt_> that'd be fairly "big" news where I come from
May 22 22:45:15 <MohammadAG> N00_RX-71:~# uname
May 22 22:45:17 <MohammadAG> Mac OS X
May 22 22:45:27 * crashanddie pats tybollt_ on the back
May 22 22:45:36 <tybollt_> or did GAN just mean a fMMS that is compatible w/ 1.2?
May 22 22:45:42 <tybollt_> crashanddie: :P
May 22 22:45:48 <MohammadAG> tybollt_, there's a "New MMS" string in the locales
May 22 22:45:54 <frals> tybollt_: thats what i was thinking ;)
May 22 22:46:07 <MohammadAG> so... maybe they're keeping it as a surprise for frals
May 22 22:48:47 <cure`> :((
May 22 22:49:04 <cure`> waiting to reflash for weeks now
May 22 22:52:10 <crashanddie> GAN900: really, trying to think of other companies like canonical. Young and open-source oriented preferably. Ideas?
May 22 22:55:39 <SpeedEvil> crashanddie: Where are you again?
May 22 22:55:45 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: France now
May 22 22:55:45 * SpeedEvil forgot.
May 22 22:55:48 <SpeedEvil> Ah.
May 22 22:56:15 <SpeedEvil> If you'd asked that 2-3 years ago, I would have suggested CloudMade.
May 22 22:56:21 <SpeedEvil> But they've kind of fallen over.
May 22 22:56:56 <crashanddie> so not a very good suggestion :P
May 22 22:57:37 <SpeedEvil> No.
May 22 22:57:47 <SpeedEvil> Unless you've got a time machine.
May 22 22:58:01 <crashanddie> hmm, I had to sell mine some time ago
May 22 23:02:43 <johnsq> crashanddie: you could sell it and travel back, than you have two
May 22 23:02:57 <crashanddie> then
May 22 23:04:11 <crashanddie> than = comparison, then = time marker, or event sequencer.
May 22 23:08:31 <crashanddie> johnsq: not that bloody hard, is it?
May 22 23:09:32 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: strangely, I did a make clean and can't rebuild it (
May 22 23:09:34 <luke-jr> :(
May 22 23:09:40 <johnsq> crashanddie: no. but there are much more pitfalls.
May 22 23:09:55 <MohammadAG> oops
May 22 23:10:17 <MohammadAG> sorry (you know who you are)
May 22 23:10:18 <crashanddie> johnsq: bollocks
May 22 23:13:03 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: (xorg.conf) ME??? EE here, not system maintenance
May 22 23:13:29 <MohammadAG> when did I ask? wasn't that a day ago? :)
May 22 23:13:36 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 22 23:13:44 <DocScrutinizer> a year
May 22 23:13:51 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: it's the bad time of the month for DocScrutinizer
May 22 23:13:57 <MohammadAG> time goes by so fast
May 22 23:14:01 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: his buffer is full
May 22 23:14:03 <GAN900> lol
May 22 23:14:07 <GAN900> Sorry, tybollt_.
May 22 23:14:18 <MohammadAG> haha
May 22 23:14:39 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: buffer in french: memoire tampon (and well, we all know what tampon is).
May 22 23:14:50 <MohammadAG> XD
May 22 23:14:55 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: RTFM!
May 22 23:14:59 <FIQ> Write error: No space left on device
May 22 23:15:02 <FIQ> Sounds good
May 22 23:15:06 <FIQ> ... or not
May 22 23:15:19 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, ironic, since i ported man-db
May 22 23:15:27 <MohammadAG> FIQ, it is good
May 22 23:15:32 <DocScrutinizer> man X
May 22 23:15:43 * MohammadAG waits for the Houston we have a problem. Powering off
May 22 23:15:49 <MohammadAG> that happened to me once btw
May 22 23:17:55 <GAN900> Mmm . . . good Zinfandel.
May 22 23:17:59 <MohammadAG> what just happened
May 22 23:18:08 <MohammadAG> /ban DocScrutinizer
May 22 23:19:07 <jerkface03> hah
May 22 23:24:39 * GAN900 sighs at SD69.
May 22 23:25:13 * MohammadAG wonders what SD means in that word
May 22 23:25:39 <GAN900> Sone dude on Talk.
May 22 23:25:48 <GAN900> So who knows.
May 22 23:27:57 <MohammadAG> BS 2010 thread?
May 22 23:28:09 <MohammadAG> err, excuse the bad choice of acronyms x.x
May 22 23:29:26 <luke-jr> lol
May 22 23:31:00 <ShadowJK> GAN900, isn't that one of the community ssu dudes
May 22 23:31:11 <ShadowJK> or maybe I've just seen him in those threads alot
May 22 23:45:46 <crashanddie> would it be possible to launch a specific command after connecting to a specific wifi ESSID?
May 22 23:46:48 <GeneralAntilles> ShadowJK, yes, which is why he's also insane.
May 22 23:46:49 <MohammadAG> daemon
May 22 23:46:53 <MohammadAG> don't ask how
May 22 23:47:19 <crashanddie> for example, in France, the ISP "Free" gives people the possibility to login to public hotspots of any other customer from the same ISP
May 22 23:47:48 <javispedro> the icd2 way is a service provider API
May 22 23:47:56 <crashanddie> though, as per usual, the first webpage you call requires a username/password login, then all ports are unlocked.
May 22 23:48:12 <crashanddie> (you even get your own IP address, and everything, cool!)
May 22 23:48:23 <javispedro> also i'm pretty sure you can also use whatever debian uses (ifup script?) , but I don't know that one.
May 22 23:48:46 <crashanddie> but I was wondering if it were possible to write a small app that would automagically connect to those ESSIDs, and post the login to the webpage directly
May 22 23:48:54 <crashanddie> (using wget?)
May 22 23:50:20 <luke-jr> crashanddie: more likely curl. wget sucks
May 22 23:50:41 <crashanddie> wget pwns, especially when you want to automate a post
May 22 23:50:46 <crashanddie> but that's a detail
May 22 23:53:03 * javispedro does not really suggest http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/icd2/group__srv__provider__api.html , as it seems quite overkill, but the description of what's it for clearly matches what you're asking.
May 22 23:53:29 <javispedro> The service provider API makes it possible to run tasks after an IP address has been acquired in the network module ip layer but before the network is announced to applications as being connected. [...] In this way e.g. hotspot WLAN networks can be supported, since they need IP layer connectivity in order to reach an authentication service that usually means posting credentials on a web page.
May 22 23:54:20 <crashanddie> javispedro: excellent
May 22 23:55:26 <crashanddie> perfect, I'll look into this tomorrow
May 22 23:55:29 <javispedro> I wonder if someone (or you) could make such a plugin which falls down on .sh/.conf files
May 22 23:55:55 <javispedro> (or if it's already done... :P)
May 22 23:56:05 <SpeedEvil> You mean so it simply called a script, and did stuff on return status?
May 22 23:57:19 <javispedro> yeah
May 22 23:58:37 <SpeedEvil> xhttp://www.dealextreme.com/feedbacks/browseCustomerPhotos.dx/sku.16921~id.45781
May 22 23:58:40 <SpeedEvil> argh
May 22 23:58:43 <SpeedEvil> sorry
May 22 23:58:46 <javispedro> advantage of integrating with icd2 is that no apps get the "network up" signal before authentication
May 22 23:58:59 <SpeedEvil> yeah
May 22 23:59:03 <javispedro> so no data / SSL error messages / timeouts ...
May 22 23:59:20 <DocScrutinizer51> sounds reasonable
May 22 23:59:28 * Arkenoi tried to watch "twilight", please, make me unsee that 15 minutes i suffered
May 22 23:59:46 <javispedro> I currently have an issue where the "captive" authentication portal grabs ALL TCP connections, thus causing POP3S to _FAIL MISERABLE_ when the certificate doesn't match. I hate it because it stops checking mail.
May 22 23:59:46 <DocScrutinizer51> though I really hope it's a package to deinstall
May 22 23:59:50 <SpeedEvil> I'd also like to poke wwwoffled - a http proxy - in there.
May 23 00:00:15 <SpeedEvil> Well - actually - I'd like to poke a compressing differential proxy in there - but I haven't written it yet.
May 23 00:01:32 <DocScrutinizer51> actually we'd need separate network devices representing different classes of connectivity types
May 23 00:01:48 <javispedro> what you mean?
May 23 00:02:03 <SpeedEvil> You can do routing by various things with iptraf
May 23 00:02:15 <SpeedEvil> I've got one script that does rtmp proxying that way
May 23 00:02:24 <DocScrutinizer51> like browser using a network card that has connection only while wlan, while modest using one that aslo uses gprs
May 23 00:02:33 <javispedro> ah
May 23 00:02:41 <javispedro> also known as the "mms problem" :)
May 23 00:03:02 <SpeedEvil> That would be 'trivial' with user-based routing.
May 23 00:03:08 <SpeedEvil> fmms runs under user frals
May 23 00:03:14 <DocScrutinizer51> yep
May 23 00:03:28 <SpeedEvil> Only user frals has a route to gprs0:1 or whatever it is
May 23 00:04:07 <javispedro> but per process routing tables were not introduced until a later kernel iirc
May 23 00:04:54 <SpeedEvil> yes - per process would be good too
May 23 00:05:23 <SpeedEvil> per process network traffic info would be lovely too.
May 23 00:11:00 <DocScrutinizer51> anyway I hope to see things move that way
May 23 00:11:54 <DocScrutinizer51> hell, we could even have separate routes for 2G and 3G
May 23 00:29:58 * timeless_mbp sighs
May 23 00:41:05 * MohammadAG is off
May 23 00:43:23 <MacDrunk> heloo
May 23 00:52:22 <talonz> hey guys
May 23 00:54:20 <talonz> are there any real bad side effects with repartitioning mydocs  on the n900 to ext3 instead of vfat ?
May 23 00:54:45 <SpeedEvil> The camera app used to not work when you did that.
May 23 00:55:16 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure how the scripts will react - it tries to force unmount mydocs when you plug it into USB as a mass storage device.
May 23 00:55:24 <SpeedEvil> That may not work for a number of reasons.
May 23 00:55:42 <talonz> yeah thats enough to scare me off
May 23 00:55:49 <SpeedEvil> I left mydocs as it was - but shrunk it to 4G - made a 26G data - and mounted it under /home/user/data
May 23 00:55:51 <SpeedEvil> works for me.
May 23 00:56:34 <talonz> nice SpeedEvil  sounds like a better option
May 23 01:09:54 <pexi> SpeedEvil, did u change the partition size or made some(?) direct file mount?
May 23 01:10:03 <luke-jr> w00t
May 23 01:10:06 <luke-jr> got wifi working
May 23 01:10:08 <luke-jr> I think
May 23 01:11:07 <SpeedEvil> pexi: I changed the size of mydocs - and left it as vfat
May 23 01:12:10 <luke-jr> kismet seems to be working too... somewhat
May 23 01:13:18 <pexi> ok, some1 suggested to make virtual file to vfat partition and mount it to user but I don't know how to do it or does it even work on maemo
May 23 01:14:14 <pexi> or even rootfs
May 23 01:14:34 <luke-jr> N810 is almost useful, maybe
May 23 01:14:54 <luke-jr> p54spi is delivering PPI :D
May 23 01:15:00 <luke-jr> now if only GPS were usable
May 23 01:15:07 <luke-jr> could get much better wardriving results
May 23 01:15:49 * SpeedEvil spent too long trying to reverse engineer GPS. It's annoying.
May 23 01:16:33 * luke-jr concurs
May 23 01:16:41 <luke-jr> but what other choice do we have to make N810 usable? :P
May 23 01:16:51 <SpeedEvil> Binary blob?
May 23 01:16:59 <pexi> SpeedEvil, do u know anything that I said? I mean, it would be nice to just mount some extra space without partitioniong
May 23 01:16:59 <SpeedEvil> Or is there no good driver?
May 23 01:17:15 <SpeedEvil> pexi: you could loopback mount from the vfat, yes
May 23 01:17:39 <pexi> is it practical to use?
May 23 01:17:45 <pexi> speed/etc
May 23 01:17:56 <SpeedEvil> I've not compared speed of loopback mounting.
May 23 01:18:30 <pexi> well, have to try it
May 23 01:28:56 <rokr1> hello all
May 23 01:29:35 <rokr1> is there any successful port for android for maemo
May 23 01:29:38 <rokr1> ?
May 23 01:30:27 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: there is no usable driver currently at all
May 23 01:30:31 <LiraNuna> sadly no
May 23 01:30:39 <LiraNuna> I'd love to have 2.2 on the N900
May 23 01:30:46 <luke-jr> awesome. I got kismet working *concurrent* with client mode
May 23 01:30:48 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: You mean the hardware has never functioned? Under the stock OS?
May 23 01:31:07 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: not correctly. with stock OS you can fiddle with it and get something
May 23 01:31:09 <rokr1> sorry got disconnected
May 23 01:31:16 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: stock OS is not maintained/supported
May 23 01:31:30 <luke-jr> stock OS's kernel is not supported by any current Linux distro
May 23 01:31:34 <rokr1> i am back
May 23 01:31:36 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: I mean put the binary driver in a chroot/...
May 23 01:31:38 <luke-jr> (2.6.21 is too old for udev)
May 23 01:31:50 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: it doesn't work with any recent kernel
May 23 01:32:37 <rokr1> lol N900 has IOMMU = paravirtualization
May 23 01:32:41 <SpeedEvil> Then it gets involved.
May 23 01:33:00 <javispedro> IOMMU is not that useful for "para"virtualization
May 23 01:33:47 <rokr1> is there any port for qemu or any virtualization software for maemo 5
May 23 01:33:52 <rokr1> ..?
May 23 01:34:21 <javispedro> there's no arm virtualization software that I know of, other than vmware embedded, which is non-free
May 23 01:34:28 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: I have a 9.4 KB LD_PRELOAD lib to 'patch' the blob driver to *theoretically* work, but it isn't successful yet
May 23 01:34:34 <javispedro> there's qemu with no kqemu -- aka emulation.
May 23 01:34:35 <luke-jr> javispedro: OpenVZ should work fine
May 23 01:35:04 <javispedro> okey, there's no different OS virtualization that I know of.
May 23 01:35:20 <rokr1> okie is openvz available in maemo's repository
May 23 01:36:15 <luke-jr> rokr1: not a chance
May 23 01:36:31 <luke-jr> hmm, I seem to have literally lost my wifi router
May 23 01:36:40 <luke-jr> i want to unplug it and see what p54spi does, but I literally can't find it...
May 23 01:38:26 <rokr1> kool for KDE gool for GNOME
May 23 01:38:56 <rokr1> i have seen ntidroid
May 23 01:39:22 <rokr1> or wat ever is a port of android to maemo
May 23 01:39:36 <javispedro> a port of android to maemo?
May 23 01:39:57 <javispedro> it's a port of android to the n900, for all I know.
May 23 01:40:12 <rokr1> dono
May 23 01:40:48 <rokr1> i cant waste money on android phone
May 23 01:41:30 <rokr1> also seen backtrack port for N900
May 23 01:41:34 <javispedro> heya hostmode guys, up to something evil?
May 23 01:41:56 <LiraNuna> will PR1.2 be able to remove stuff from the application menu?
May 23 01:42:34 <rokr1> PR1.2 available...?
May 23 01:42:41 <LiraNuna> notice the word 'will'
May 23 01:43:00 <rokr1> hmmm
May 23 01:43:37 <rokr1> PR is the word in caps so eye catch that first
May 23 01:43:57 <rokr1> on my N900's small screen
May 23 01:44:59 <rokr1> my rootfs is running out of memory
May 23 01:45:23 <rokr1> 1 mb left
May 23 01:45:26 <luke-jr> ok, I'm quite pleased with p54spi now...
May 23 01:45:52 <luke-jr> it's even smart enough to timeout my client connection when it goes bye-bye, and start channel jumping in kismet
May 23 01:46:11 <luke-jr> now if only I can get the GPS piece of the wardriving equation, this will be handy
May 23 01:46:33 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: Does it have bt?
May 23 01:46:41 <mtnbkr> can anyone recommend a good bluetooth headset that works well with the N900?   my new Motorola H780  is practically unuseable with my N900 - but for some reason seems fine with my spare iPhone 3G  :(      With the N900, I hear random buzzing or other strange electronic sounds which completely vlock out the other caller's voice. :(
May 23 01:47:07 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: no idea, and tbh, don't care :p
May 23 01:47:18 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: I mean - btgps
May 23 01:47:31 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: don't have anything BT besides N810 and a headset
May 23 01:47:36 <luke-jr> I got N810 to *be* my "btgps"
May 23 01:47:42 <SpeedEvil> :/
May 23 01:47:44 <SpeedEvil> yeah
May 23 01:48:16 <luke-jr> probably my #1 complaint about it :p
May 23 01:48:27 <luke-jr> because my primary use doesn't work
May 23 01:48:43 <javispedro> this reminds me
May 23 01:48:48 <javispedro> what does the n900 use as gpsdriver?
May 23 01:49:10 <luke-jr> AFAIK, N900's 'gpsdriver' runs on the phone CPU
May 23 01:49:25 <luke-jr> so the N900 system CPU just gets a standard NMEA stream on ttySn
May 23 01:49:39 <javispedro> oh, that would be easy to check
May 23 01:49:43 <luke-jr> heh
May 23 01:50:43 <Macer> hm. i need to get a usb network adapter for my wii
May 23 01:50:54 <Macer> i wonder if this usb wifi adapter i have will work in the wii linux stuff
May 23 01:50:55 <javispedro> EIO while read() every of ttyS{0,1,2,3}
May 23 01:51:08 <luke-jr> javispedro: kill gpsd first?
May 23 01:51:17 <luke-jr> and/or check how gpsd is configured :P
May 23 01:51:26 <javispedro> would a sharing conflict cause EIO?
May 23 01:51:31 <luke-jr> no clue
May 23 01:51:39 <javispedro> I was expecting to see no output..
May 23 01:53:32 <javispedro> no gpds btw, everything is now handled by two uid=0 daemons
May 23 01:53:51 <luke-jr> wtf
May 23 01:53:57 <luke-jr> gpsd is *the* GPS protocol daemon
May 23 01:54:11 <luke-jr> N900 ignores compliance with GPS standard apps?
May 23 01:54:14 <javispedro> yes
May 23 01:54:36 <javispedro> iirc there was a project implementing a nokia's liblocation protocol -> nmea bridge
May 23 01:55:01 <luke-jr> wow, that plain sucks
May 23 01:55:15 <luke-jr> +1 more glad I didn't buy one
May 23 01:55:39 <javispedro> the pseudonice part is that I think whatever driver they use now works a bit better than it did on the n8x0
May 23 01:55:41 <javispedro> *n810
May 23 02:00:03 <rokr1> BRB
May 23 02:05:25 <SpeedEvil> The gps chipset is actually part of the mobile package.
May 23 02:06:06 <SpeedEvil> Ot
May 23 02:06:11 <SpeedEvil> It's not NMEA
May 23 02:11:30 <rokr1> i am back
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