**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 23 02:59:57 2010
May 23 03:17:55 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: identified the next GPS problem, FWIW
May 23 03:18:38 <luke-jr> 2.6.33.2 detects 3 serial ports; diablo's ttyS0 is ttyS1
May 23 03:18:49 <luke-jr> of course, the blob doesn't support any way to change the serial port it uses...
May 23 03:22:41 <javispedro> luke-jr: put that in the gpsdriver oss request bug report, ensure to mention "future meego efforts" somewhere
May 23 03:23:02 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: I assume it just opens - it doesn't open /dev/ttyS0?
May 23 03:23:13 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: it does open /dev/ttyS0
May 23 03:23:14 <SpeedEvil> because if it does - just altering the node that S0 points at
May 23 03:23:19 <SpeedEvil> that's easy then
May 23 03:23:22 <luke-jr> that's an ugly ugly hack
May 23 03:23:27 <SpeedEvil> Well - yes.
May 23 03:23:28 <javispedro> specially with udev
May 23 03:23:40 <luke-jr> to even make it half-sane, I'll need to extend my LD_PRELOAD wrapper to remap the open() syscall
May 23 03:23:42 <luke-jr> <.<
May 23 03:23:51 <SpeedEvil> Or you could just jam it in a chroot
May 23 03:23:58 <luke-jr> that would be a good idea :P
May 23 03:23:59 <SpeedEvil> with a custom - /dev
May 23 03:24:12 <luke-jr> in fact, while I'm at it, why not a fullblown OpenVZ environment?
May 23 03:24:16 <javispedro> just be happy you don't need to jam it into
May 23 03:24:17 <luke-jr> jail that sucker blob
May 23 03:24:23 <javispedro> heh, I was going to say that :)
May 23 03:24:37 <javispedro> well, leaving -- see you.
May 23 03:24:44 <luke-jr> pfft
May 23 03:25:21 <luke-jr> actually, I coudl probably minimize, maybe even get rid of, the preload wrapper with a chroot
May 23 03:41:11 <GAN900> The unlocked Nexus Ones went way up
May 23 03:41:40 <GAN900> Google is almost certainly financing some fun purchase.
May 23 03:42:25 <GAN900> Unless somebody is gonna get Maemo running on it.
May 23 03:43:34 <luke-jr> fwiw, p54spi seems to be about 1 Mbit :p
May 23 03:43:45 <luke-jr> GAN900: 'way up'??
May 23 03:44:02 <GAN900> Like, fro $300 to $450
May 23 03:44:07 <luke-jr> O.o
May 23 03:44:08 <GAN900> eBay, for used ones
May 23 03:44:12 <luke-jr> oh
May 23 03:44:19 <GAN900> New ones are about $650
May 23 03:44:29 <GAN900> Google stopped selling them, I think.
May 23 03:44:34 <luke-jr> hm
May 23 03:44:36 <luke-jr> good
May 23 03:44:42 <luke-jr> maybe that means Nexus Two is coming
May 23 03:45:01 <GAN900> I think they just decided to get out of the direct sales game.
May 23 03:56:57 <CutMeOwnThroat> you got a weird topic
May 23 03:59:28 * GAN900 facepalms
May 23 04:01:44 <luke-jr> lol
May 23 05:03:45 <RST38h> moo all
May 23 05:18:41 <ZogG_N900> nokia workshop meeting and i didn't know
May 23 05:18:44 <ZogG_N900> =(
May 23 05:18:47 <ham5> here?
May 23 05:19:50 <ZogG_N900> ham5, tel aviv
May 23 05:20:13 <RST38h> nokia worship meeting
May 23 05:20:44 <ham5> down with apple!
May 23 05:21:00 <MacDrunk> \yeea
May 23 05:21:09 <odin_> !seen Jebba
May 23 05:21:11 <MacDrunk> kill apple
May 23 05:21:15 <MacDrunk> hey
May 23 05:21:25 <MacDrunk> zogG
May 23 05:22:08 <odin_> ~seen Jebba
May 23 05:22:10 <infobot> jebba <~jebba@Ploegsma.cwx.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19d 11h 30m 43s ago, saying: 'i dont do maemo stuff for weeks, go to do something, and its down..... pfft.'.
May 23 05:23:35 <ZogG_N900> MacDrunk, hey
May 23 05:27:47 <MacDrunk> damit
May 23 05:30:17 <RST38h> http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00ze7xt5.jpg
May 23 05:30:27 <RST38h> The bull wins, epically
May 23 05:30:50 <ham5> good
May 23 05:53:36 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: what was wifi issue?
May 23 06:01:08 <AlexCeli> hi
May 23 06:01:36 * wall[e] just went back from bangkok cleaning day
May 23 06:13:18 <pupnik> amazing picture, RST38h
May 23 06:14:35 <pupnik> always be sure to brush to your way-back teeth guys.  they are a bitch to work-on.
May 23 06:24:31 <pupnik> i want the browser to translate sites automagically for next visit to .fi
May 23 06:47:50 <lauri> Hey guys
May 23 06:48:55 <lauri> Can anyone give me hints how is this view panning done in Maemo Qt4 apps?
May 23 06:49:03 <lauri> Like the media player
May 23 07:13:55 <pupnik> lauri: check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=JP&hl=ja&v=cHmH_U5-YL8   QGraphicsView
May 23 08:19:42 * RST38h yawns
May 23 08:41:27 <pupnik> RST38h: hey do you know Korbáčiky  -
May 23 08:41:40 * pupnik lurves the stuff
May 23 08:47:53 <eichi_PDA> help...seems that much thinks dont work like package manager ans calendar because there is no space left on n800. what can i do?
May 23 08:48:46 <eichi_PDA> disc usage app sais / has 4mb free
May 23 08:48:55 <tank-man> get more space
May 23 08:49:21 <eichi_PDA> i dont have files in home folder
May 23 08:49:49 <eichi_PDA> dont know, why space get more little al the time
May 23 08:49:50 <tank-man> but you have many installed programs?
May 23 08:53:18 <eichi_PDA> maybe
May 23 08:56:00 <MohammadAG> eichi_PDA> i dont have files in home follder
May 23 08:56:08 <MohammadAG> everyone has a home folder
May 23 08:56:19 <MohammadAG> everyone has files in the home folder
May 23 08:57:36 <eichi_PDA> yeah, but nothing, needs much space
May 23 08:58:30 <eichi_PDA> uh, wtf du -sh . sais 30mb
May 23 09:00:03 <eichi_PDA> removed some packages with apt-get, works bow
May 23 09:00:27 <eichi_PDA> but tthe homefolder space is crazy
May 23 09:10:41 <RST38h> Incredibly, XXX4All built...
May 23 09:15:43 <RST38h> OMG it does not crash
May 23 09:32:09 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, heeeey
May 23 09:33:48 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, =(
May 23 09:55:55 <mfar> good morning guys!
May 23 09:57:35 <kiran_viswm> meow.......
May 23 09:57:37 <mfar> I have a question, I am trying to install maemo on beagleboard following http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/alpha.html, but apt cant found packages at repository.maemo.org for maemo5.0alpha
May 23 09:58:29 <mfar> should I try with fremantle packages?
May 23 09:58:50 <zlimvos> hey all
May 23 09:59:15 <zlimvos> are those: kernel-config load ideal ; kernel-config limits 150 1000   decent settings ?
May 23 09:59:22 <zlimvos> for n900
May 23 10:01:54 * ZogG_N900 needs MohammadAG 
May 23 10:02:44 <Stskeeps> mfar: use omappedia.org instead
May 23 10:02:59 <MohammadAG> ZogG_N900, ?
May 23 10:03:07 <ZogG_N900> wheeee
May 23 10:03:13 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, \o/
May 23 10:03:34 <MohammadAG> o/
May 23 10:03:39 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, have you read about nokia developer workshop
May 23 10:03:50 <MohammadAG> err, nope
May 23 10:03:56 <MohammadAG> not that i recall
May 23 10:04:01 <MohammadAG> any events in IL?
May 23 10:04:01 <ZogG_N900> imaworld.org
May 23 10:04:05 <ZogG_N900> yes
May 23 10:04:09 <ZogG_N900> in telaviv
May 23 10:04:15 <MohammadAG> bah
May 23 10:04:23 <ZogG_N900> 25-26th may
May 23 10:04:27 <ZogG_N900> this week
May 23 10:04:29 <MohammadAG> crap
May 23 10:04:45 <ZogG_N900> i can't go i thought maybe u could
May 23 10:04:55 <MohammadAG> lol got exams
May 23 10:05:02 <MohammadAG> which is why i'm kinda pissed
May 23 10:05:16 <ZogG_N900> screw exams
May 23 10:05:25 <ZogG_N900> which day do you have
May 23 10:05:56 <MohammadAG> 25
May 23 10:06:01 <MohammadAG> 27
May 23 10:06:07 <MohammadAG> 28
May 23 10:06:17 <ZogG_N900> at 26 they gonna talk about qt creator and n900 and meego
May 23 10:06:37 <ZogG_N900> they ask to bring laptops with qt creator installed
May 23 10:07:07 <MohammadAG> got that
May 23 10:07:10 <ZogG_N900> i just read about it only today in newspaper
May 23 10:07:19 <ZogG_N900> if i knew before
May 23 10:07:36 <ZogG_N900> i have shifts
May 23 10:08:01 <MohammadAG> if only i knew in jan, i would've postponed my exam
May 23 10:08:03 <MohammadAG> oh well
May 23 10:08:08 <MohammadAG> hmm
May 23 10:08:53 <ZogG_N900> but you still can make to second day
May 23 10:09:08 <MohammadAG> hmm
May 23 10:09:14 <MohammadAG> lemme check
May 23 10:09:29 <ZogG_N900> imaworld.org has the info
May 23 10:09:41 <ZogG_N900> and schedule
May 23 10:09:48 <MohammadAG> my exam scheduele lol
May 23 10:10:00 <MohammadAG> crappy ucoz
May 23 10:10:02 <MohammadAG> they brought down my site
May 23 10:10:07 <ZogG_N900> hahah
May 23 10:10:43 <lauri> any GSoC guys here?
May 23 10:10:56 <mfar> Stskeeps, what in omappedia?
May 23 10:11:54 <ZogG_N900> i assume wikipedia about omap
May 23 10:12:02 <Stskeeps> mfar: 'maemo on omap' project
May 23 10:12:13 <Stskeeps> mfar: personally i would track the meego project instead though
May 23 10:13:13 <ZogG_N900> i would make time machine
May 23 10:14:18 <pupnik> you are a time machine
May 23 10:14:20 <wall[e]> http://www.flickr.com/photos/id34/
May 23 10:14:28 <wall[e]> bangkok today through n900
May 23 10:14:39 <pupnik> your pics wall[e] ?
May 23 10:14:47 <wall[e]> pupnik, yes
May 23 10:14:56 <pupnik> you visiting there or what?
May 23 10:15:21 <wall[e]> http://www.flickr.com/photos/id34/4630812467/
May 23 10:15:26 <ZogG_N900> wall[e], with pr1.3 ?)
May 23 10:15:32 <wall[e]> i live in bangkok
May 23 10:15:55 <wall[e]> ZogG_N900, pr1.3 is out?!?!?!
May 23 10:16:01 <ZogG_N900> wall[e], isn't there sort of revolution?
May 23 10:16:10 <wall[e]> ZogG_N900, riots
May 23 10:16:30 <ZogG_N900> wall[e], pr1.2 is not even out
May 23 10:16:44 <pupnik> beautiful weather.  don't quit your day job though
May 23 10:16:46 <wall[e]> yeh, true
May 23 10:17:13 <wall[e]> 20k of people lose their jobs because of the demonstration
May 23 10:17:25 <ZogG_N900> that was sarcasm like the japan n900 with pr1.2
May 23 10:17:32 <ZogG_N900> bazinga
May 23 10:17:32 <wall[e]> by farmers who live 800kms away
May 23 10:17:55 <pupnik> http://www.flickr.com/photos/id34/4630934047/  nice perspective
May 23 10:17:56 <MohammadAG> ZogG_N900, http://mohammadag.ucoz.com/schoolfiles/GCE_Local_Timetable-MayJune_10.xls
May 23 10:18:01 <wall[e]> not hk?
May 23 10:18:07 <MohammadAG> can't go :|
May 23 10:18:46 <wall[e]> pupnik, thanks!
May 23 10:19:01 <ZogG_N900> nice xchat have to open link in browser open link in opera and so on
May 23 10:19:32 <pupnik> anybody tried chromium?  i have it installed but dont know how to execute it
May 23 10:19:56 <MohammadAG> click the icon
May 23 10:20:17 <pupnik> oh!! hjahah
May 23 10:25:17 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, can't open file as i'm from n900
May 23 10:25:38 <SpeedEvil> install easy-debian and use openoffice.
May 23 10:25:45 <ZogG_N900> we should ask if matan can and would share any info
May 23 10:27:09 <lauri> pupnik: I was talking about switching between windows
May 23 10:28:08 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, not the fastest solution ;)
May 23 10:28:11 <ZogG_N900> SpeedEvil, don't like it
May 23 10:28:15 <MohammadAG> sheets to go works
May 23 10:28:43 <MohammadAG> anyways, 25th exam, 27th exam
May 23 10:29:05 <MohammadAG> i can go on the 26th, but that means i won't study for my exam
May 23 10:29:37 <ZogG_N900> what exam
May 23 10:29:54 <ZogG_N900> i never learn to exams
May 23 10:30:17 <ZogG_N900> look where i've got - i have my own n900
May 23 10:31:18 <lauri> Okay let me say it again - does anyone of you know how they are doing window switching (the X and back button in the right top corner)
May 23 10:31:27 <mfar> thanks Stskeeps
May 23 10:31:55 <MohammadAG> ZogG_N900, doesn't work that way ;)
May 23 10:32:42 <alterego> lauri: you want to have a back button? Or are you doing something elseand just want to know how to switch windows?
May 23 10:33:00 <ZogG_N900> lauri, what?
May 23 10:33:20 <lauri> Take the media platyer
May 23 10:33:27 <lauri> you click on music and so forth
May 23 10:33:39 <lauri> then you have the back button in the right top corner
May 23 10:33:47 <ZogG_N900> ow
May 23 10:34:08 <lauri> I suppose they are modal windows?
May 23 10:34:12 <alterego> lauri: I know what youŕe talking about, I want to know exactly what it is you want to do.
May 23 10:34:23 <alterego> lauri: no
May 23 10:34:27 <lauri> I want to do the same thing in Qt4
May 23 10:34:32 <lauri> using python
May 23 10:34:38 <lauri> what are they then?
May 23 10:34:52 <alterego> Okay, when you create a new window, set the parent to be your main window.
May 23 10:35:00 <ZogG_N900> just lurk into the code of any program that can do it
May 23 10:35:12 <lauri> ZoG_N900: any good pointers?
May 23 10:35:18 <lauri> or links
May 23 10:35:36 <alterego> window = QtWindow(parent) ..
May 23 10:36:10 <ZogG_N900> lauri, look into tweego code
May 23 10:36:38 <alterego> lauri: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-stackedwindows.html
May 23 10:36:54 <ZogG_N900> they have it as well as it's in qt
May 23 10:36:57 <lauri> thanks that I was exactly what I was looking for "stacked windows"
May 23 10:38:13 <alterego> lauri: http://www.friendpaste.com/3ShZGYNMUJQTYHf0lV9LI0
May 23 10:38:22 <alterego> That one is PySide so probably easier for you to use
May 23 10:40:18 <lauri> thanks guys it works
May 23 10:40:40 <ZogG_N900> lauri, what r u writting?
May 23 10:40:59 <lauri> http://v6sa.wordpress.com/category/maemo/
May 23 10:41:22 <lauri> Suggestions and ideas are very much welcome
May 23 10:44:25 <wall[e]> 4 days and I am still installing SDK
May 23 10:44:41 <wall[e]> entire 4 days of downloading
May 23 10:45:02 <alterego> wall[e]: what are you using for an internet connection? :P
May 23 10:45:10 <wall[e]> :P
May 23 10:45:16 <wall[e]> thai internet!
May 23 10:45:19 <alterego> A carrier pidgeon? :P
May 23 10:45:29 <alterego> Or is it a courier pidgeon ..
May 23 10:45:47 <wall[e]> but mostly the problem roots in nokia's installer is buggy
May 23 10:45:58 <ZogG_N900> true
May 23 10:46:12 <ZogG_N900> i couldn't install it on 64bit
May 23 10:46:22 <ZogG_N900> lauri, i have an idea
May 23 10:46:39 <alterego> I always VM my maemo SDK stuff.
May 23 10:46:53 <ZogG_N900> lauri, make it urbandictionary client =)
May 23 10:47:04 <alterego> Well, I actually VM all of my stuff. My host install is really just desktop apps.
May 23 10:47:23 <ZogG_N900> alterego, i kinda don't belive in VMs
May 23 10:47:34 <wall[e]> i never use windows
May 23 10:47:35 <ZogG_N900> VM is lie
May 23 10:47:37 <alterego> I can assure you they exist ;)
May 23 10:48:02 <ZogG_N900> not in my world
May 23 10:48:36 <ZogG_N900> alterego, i bet u r on win
May 23 10:48:38 <alterego> I quite like VMś even if they are a bit ḧeavy"..
May 23 10:50:07 <ZogG_N900> win vista
May 23 10:50:15 <ZogG_N900> the one you bought )
May 23 10:50:25 <ZogG_N900> actually paid money
May 23 10:55:11 <RST38bis> helo punks
May 23 11:10:32 <lauri> another Q
May 23 11:10:56 <lauri> Qt.WA_Maemo5AutoOrientation in PyQt4 gives me AttributeError
May 23 11:13:21 <Shapeshifter> lauri: I'm not sure if pyqt implements the QMaemo5 things. pyside on the other hand does.
May 23 11:13:55 <Shapeshifter> lauri: altough it seems like it should be supported from 4.6 upwards
May 23 11:13:56 <Macer> woke up to a dead n900
May 23 11:14:09 <Macer> i think it was because i had gps locating on and i was inside so it wasn't locking
May 23 11:15:01 <Shapeshifter> lauri: I'd use pyside if possible anyway. they're slightly slower but have a nicer license and an open source bindings generator.
May 23 11:17:40 <RST38bis> Macer: You murdered it!
May 23 11:19:37 <lauri> Shapeshifter: installing pyside now...
May 23 11:21:07 <Shapeshifter> lauri: they're pretty much compatible. you just do import from PySide instead of from PyQt4
May 23 11:21:49 <lauri> but
May 23 11:21:55 <lauri> I have Qt4.5 on my n900
May 23 11:22:14 <lauri> and apt wants to install PySide for 4.6 which isnt available
May 23 11:22:16 <lauri> what do :D
May 23 11:22:30 <ham5> how longs a full charge last u guys on average?
May 23 11:23:00 <SpeedEvil> ham5: A day.
May 23 11:23:13 <Shapeshifter> lauri: Well, qt is fucked up thanks to nokia. So, what you do is this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=654370&postcount=1
May 23 11:23:21 <SpeedEvil> ham5: If it's idle connected to wifi - 4 days.
May 23 11:23:38 <ham5> ok
May 23 11:23:52 <SpeedEvil> That is - a day of moderately heavy use
May 23 11:24:11 <Corsac> except that on wifi the radio has to wake up each time a frame passes, even if it's not the recipient
May 23 11:24:22 <Shapeshifter> lauri: you enable the SDK repo, install only qt 4.6, then disable it. that will give you 4.6 on your n900 and will enable you to use all the stuff built against 4.6. so far I haven't heard of a single problem this may have caused. Remember to disable the SDK repo immediately, because if you install other stuff from it you'll break everything and it wont boot etc.
May 23 11:24:34 <SpeedEvil> Corsac: I don't think that's the case with powersaving maximum.
May 23 11:24:39 <lauri> lawl
May 23 11:24:43 <SpeedEvil> Corsac: The radio is actually asleep 99% of the time
May 23 11:24:54 <lauri> is there any updated images available?
May 23 11:25:04 <lauri> with 4.6
May 23 11:25:08 <Shapeshifter> lauri: no. and don't install the leaked 1.2
May 23 11:25:16 <Shapeshifter> lauri: but the SDK solution works well.
May 23 11:25:25 <lauri> whats up with 1.2
May 23 11:25:42 <Shapeshifter> lauri: "being tested"
May 23 11:25:55 <lauri> :D
May 23 11:26:09 <lauri> any big issues why I shouldnt install it on my n900?
May 23 11:26:26 <SpeedEvil> Someones managed to get 'works on holiday in the bahamas' into the testing workflow.
May 23 11:26:30 <Shapeshifter> lauri: the leaked one? It's hopelessly outdated
May 23 11:26:34 <Shapeshifter> lauri: and there's no point.
May 23 11:26:45 <SpeedEvil> So every time there is a change, some nokia engineer has to go on holiday for 2 weeks.
May 23 11:28:11 <lauri> Thanks for the inside info'
May 23 11:28:16 <frals> so err, say i got this nice conf file in /etc/hildon-desktop/notification-groups.conf in which i want to append stuff in my postinst and remove in my prerm... is there any easy way to do it or would i have to go nuts with sed etc?
May 23 11:28:59 <Corsac> doesn't look like a good idea
May 23 11:29:44 <Corsac> not sure about maemo policy, but in debian you _don't_ touch other packages conffiles, and you don't mess up with user/admin settings
May 23 11:31:05 <frals> im all ears if you have another way of adding a custom notification group :)
May 23 11:31:28 <Corsac> I guess there's no /etc/h-d/n-g.d/ ?
May 23 11:31:33 <frals> nope
May 23 11:32:45 <Jaffa> Af'noon
May 23 11:34:58 <frals> lo Jaffa
May 23 11:53:24 * ZogG_N900 is back
May 23 11:54:04 <ZogG_N900> now faster, smarter, better
May 23 11:54:52 <ZogG_N900> =(
May 23 11:56:07 <FauxFaux> Harder.
May 23 11:56:54 <Corsac> stronger?
May 23 12:01:46 <BCMM> what do i need to have installed to get a working git?
May 23 12:02:19 <BCMM> i do git clone, but get "git: 'index-pack' is not a git-command. See 'git --help'."
May 23 12:03:05 <BCMM> (i'm trying to get the prometheus get_iplayer fork - i've tested it on my desktop, and it gets iphone videos that play in media player with no reencoding)
May 23 12:05:06 <BCMM> i know i can just copy it across, but i'd like to be able to update it without using the desktop
May 23 12:05:38 <FauxFaux> BCMM: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free git-core 1:1.6.6-1maemo1 works fine here.
May 23 12:05:51 <BCMM> git-core
May 23 12:05:52 <BCMM> thanks
May 23 12:05:57 <BCMM> i just did apt-get git
May 23 12:06:19 <BCMM> apt-get install git, rather
May 23 12:07:55 <FauxFaux> Nooo idea what that installs.
May 23 12:09:17 <BCMM> FauxFaux: well, it was some subset of git...
May 23 12:09:23 <BCMM> it's being uninstalled to install git-core
May 23 12:09:33 <BCMM> possibly it is literally just the git command
May 23 12:09:49 <FauxFaux> In debian, which I understand how to use, git is currently a transitional package for something completely different, and git-core is git.
May 23 12:09:52 <BCMM> and none of the modules (or whatever) it uses
May 23 12:10:54 <BCMM> i think it just used a whole lot of space on /
May 23 12:13:35 <FauxFaux> index-pack is pretty critically important (like, I'd be suprised if you could clone any non-trivial repository without it), iirc.
May 23 12:13:36 <BCMM> does the n900 play ogg?
May 23 12:13:47 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 23 12:13:48 <BCMM> or, in general, what format should i rip a CD to
May 23 12:13:50 <FauxFaux> mplayer plays everything.
May 23 12:13:58 <BCMM> i mean, using the media player
May 23 12:14:08 <BCMM> FauxFaux: mplayer is extremely awesome though
May 23 12:14:16 <DocScrutinizer> search appmanager for 'ogg'
May 23 12:14:31 <DocScrutinizer> there's an addon codecs package
May 23 12:14:33 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: it is possible to install extra codecs for mediaplayer?
May 23 12:14:36 <FauxFaux> (ogg codec pedantry rage)
May 23 12:14:37 <BCMM> oh, cool
May 23 12:14:47 <BCMM> FauxFaux: yeah i know ogg vorbis
May 23 12:16:04 <BCMM> and what would you say the best lossy codec, in terms of quality-per-file-size, that plays back in media player?
May 23 12:16:05 <BCMM> ogg?
May 23 12:16:14 <MohammadAG> 14:57:29 up 13:32, load average: 16.53, 17.49, 14.90
May 23 12:16:20 <FauxFaux> Vorbis is certainly the easiest to find support for, yeah.
May 23 12:16:32 <MohammadAG> lzma extraction, why it's a bad idea ^
May 23 12:16:35 <DocScrutinizer> moo btw
May 23 12:16:45 <MohammadAG> moo DocScrutinizer :)
May 23 12:17:13 <BCMM> pleased that i have an n900 - felt silly ripping things to mp3 because of my ipod
May 23 12:18:03 <MohammadAG> doesn't the iPod use MP3?
May 23 12:18:08 <MohammadAG> or AAC
May 23 12:19:58 <BCMM> MohammadAG: yeah, i meant it was silly to be storing things i mostly listened to on my desktop in mp3 format (with all it's problems) just because i sometimes wanted them on an ipod
May 23 12:20:07 <BCMM> ^its
May 23 12:20:14 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: you eventually managed to _end_ hostmode? ;-P
May 23 12:20:45 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, not really, it took three reboots and I had to sigstop bme :)
May 23 12:20:59 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 23 12:21:05 <DocScrutinizer> hard to believe
May 23 12:21:10 <MohammadAG> not really
May 23 12:21:16 <MohammadAG> i cat'd the driver file
May 23 12:21:23 <MohammadAG> and it had two extra lines
May 23 12:21:32 <MohammadAG> plus the device was in b_peripheral
May 23 12:21:44 <MohammadAG> and host mode wasn't actually working
May 23 12:22:51 <DocScrutinizer> well, didn't daddy tell you not to play with matches?
May 23 12:23:34 <MohammadAG> not that i recall :P
May 23 12:23:59 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, i'm more curious what the 2 lines were
May 23 12:24:08 <MohammadAG> but you left after kicking yourself
May 23 12:24:27 <DocScrutinizer> I needed it
May 23 12:25:15 * Stskeeps glances at news pandora is shipping
May 23 12:26:17 <SpeedEvil> Unpossible.
May 23 12:26:41 <SpeedEvil> Just don't open the box.
May 23 12:28:36 <Stskeeps> they should ship it in plastic wrap or something
May 23 12:29:35 <MohammadAG> lcuk's back!
May 23 12:30:02 <lcuk> not really i just rebooted :P
May 23 12:30:28 <MohammadAG> /kick lcuk
May 23 12:31:24 * frals slaps lcuk around a bit with a large trout
May 23 12:32:30 <lcuk> :D trout slapping
May 23 12:34:06 * lcuk how you doin today frals 
May 23 12:34:10 <lcuk> -/me
May 23 12:34:29 <frals> tis good, trying to wrestle my way around hildon-notifications
May 23 12:34:39 <lcuk> yeah i saw
May 23 12:34:46 <frals> but they are doing their best not to cooperate with me :(
May 23 12:34:48 <lcuk> but theres also python info around
May 23 12:34:56 <lcuk> or is this inqt
May 23 12:35:04 <frals> python
May 23 12:35:21 <DocScrutinizer> I wonder how much sense is in reporting bugs for xchat
May 23 12:35:46 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, quite a lot
May 23 12:35:56 <frals> problem is hildon-desktop got a custom notification SV daemon that handles doing sound/vibra
May 23 12:35:59 <SpeedEvil> What're you seeing?
May 23 12:36:12 <frals> but to use it i need to create my own category, which means messing up a .conf file thats not mine :P
May 23 12:36:20 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer
May 23 12:36:41 <DocScrutinizer> adding a channel to favourites is borked in many ways ;-P
May 23 12:36:43 <lcuk> frals, sure i can see the issue there
May 23 12:37:06 <SpeedEvil> ah - right
May 23 12:37:12 <lcuk> frals, wheres the file itself lets have a looksie
May 23 12:37:17 <SpeedEvil> I used the alternate UI.
May 23 12:37:25 <frals> /etc/hildon-desktop/notification-groups.conf
May 23 12:37:27 <SpeedEvil> vi ~/.xchat/...
May 23 12:39:32 <DocScrutinizer> on the channel list in prefs, hit 'ADD', a text field with blue highlighted '#channel:' pops up, you enter e.g. #maemo-hostmode thus deleting the "#channel:, then hit 'save' or 'close'or whatever it's called, and end with a >>#channel,#maemo,#meego...<< list
May 23 12:39:53 <lcuk> ok frals i see
May 23 12:40:16 <lcuk> so you need a whole [fmms-incoming]  and [fmms-sent] style sections
May 23 12:40:24 <frals> well
May 23 12:40:34 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: i.e. it takes the text input field preset instead of what you entered
May 23 12:40:39 <MohammadAG> <SpeedEvil> vi ~/.xchat/...
May 23 12:40:42 <MohammadAG> xchat2
May 23 12:40:46 <frals> i only need a [mms-message] containg LED-Pattern tbh
May 23 12:40:57 <frals> because rest can be set when launching the notification
May 23 12:40:58 <frals> but yeah
May 23 12:41:14 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: I could say I have a symlink. But...
May 23 12:41:18 <lcuk> ok, im thinking ahead a bit :P
May 23 12:41:38 <MohammadAG> lol
May 23 12:41:45 <frals> lcuk: if theres a 'good' way to do it a whole section with everything set would be best
May 23 12:42:01 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: editing into the textfield holding the full list does work though
May 23 12:42:01 <MohammadAG> frals, change the mce.ini file, you wouldn't be the first one who'd do it :)
May 23 12:42:29 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: but the "ADD" function is seriously borked
May 23 12:42:36 <lcuk> i dont think there is, other than a bit of script to backup, append.  removal after uninstalling would be a problem, tho it may be better to leave it
May 23 12:42:47 <lcuk> its not like the .d folders for things
May 23 12:43:00 <MohammadAG> lcuk, afaik there's a cli app for it
May 23 12:43:06 <MohammadAG> mceledpatterns or something
May 23 12:43:08 <lcuk> grep the file before you start to check [fmms isnt already in it
May 23 12:43:11 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: and as the 'add to favourites' in a chan tab context menu seems to be related, it's borked as well
May 23 12:43:21 <frals> MohammadAG: this doesnt concern mce.ini :)
May 23 12:43:23 <lcuk> MohammadAG, we arent talking about that file
May 23 12:43:36 <MohammadAG> err
May 23 12:43:43 <MohammadAG> LED notifications?
May 23 12:43:44 <frals> lcuk: yeah, thats what im thinking, add it if it isnt there and leave it after uninstalling
May 23 12:44:03 <lcuk> yeah it would be troublesome to try removing it
May 23 12:44:19 <lcuk> and you owuldnt want to just restore your backup, because all sorts could have happened
May 23 12:44:26 <frals> aye exactly
May 23 12:45:22 <lcuk> yeah kot now you show it i have seen already
May 23 12:45:24 <lcuk> shit
May 23 12:47:30 <frals> MohammadAG: hildon notifications ;)
May 23 12:48:06 <lcuk> frals, lemme ask
May 23 12:52:00 <MohammadAG> frals, dbus
May 23 12:52:36 <frals> can i define my own category with dbus? :)
May 23 12:53:00 <frals> (the goal is to not have to start the vibra/sms signal manually via dbus)
May 23 12:57:45 <crashanddie> Where are the root CA certs stored in Maemo?
May 23 12:59:13 <Appiah> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/ca-certificates/filelist this is where Debain puts the files
May 23 12:59:20 <crashanddie> hmm, /etc/certs/common-ca/
May 23 12:59:28 <Appiah> check there on your maemo device
May 23 13:01:15 <frals> hmm
May 23 13:01:29 <frals> wonder how i get hildon-desktop or whatever to reread the notification-groups.conf
May 23 13:01:39 <frals> -HUP should do it i guess
May 23 13:05:31 <frals> he, i was assuming wrong :[
May 23 13:06:16 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: primary wifi issue is p54spi calling itself 'cx3110x' and board-n800 expecting 'p54spi'
May 23 13:12:56 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: ah
May 23 13:13:31 <crashanddie> is anyone aware of an icd2 service provider example somewhere?
May 23 13:13:41 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: that makes sense
May 23 13:15:11 <frals> baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, adding my own group in notification-groups isnt enough to get the vibra to work
May 23 13:15:47 <MohammadAG> i'm missing something
May 23 13:15:54 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=671598#post671598
May 23 13:15:58 <MohammadAG> can't you just add a vibra pattern to mce.ini?
May 23 13:16:05 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: (xchat bug)
May 23 13:16:33 <frals> MohammadAG: the point os to send a hildon-notification and have it play the email sound and email vibrapattern
May 23 13:16:44 <frals> MohammadAG: without using the email-message category
May 23 13:16:54 <lcuk> laptop keyboards arent friendly to c style comments
May 23 13:17:14 <DocScrutinizer> frals: hmmm :-S
May 23 13:17:21 <MohammadAG> frals os.popen('dbuscommand')
May 23 13:17:23 <crashanddie> lcuk: //?
May 23 13:17:25 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: happen to know if there's any PSM support?
May 23 13:17:30 <MohammadAG> for the vibra
May 23 13:17:31 <frals> MohammadAG: wihtout using the dbus command...
May 23 13:17:34 <frals> MohammadAG: :P
May 23 13:17:34 <lcuk> crashanddie, sure - for single lines
May 23 13:17:42 <MohammadAG> frals, why! lol
May 23 13:17:44 <DocScrutinizer> frals: hmmm :-S
May 23 13:17:52 <lcuk> but if i want to comment out a block im used to a quick tap on numeric keypad
May 23 13:17:59 <frals> MohammadAG: because the other notification can do it
May 23 13:18:04 <frals> DocScrutinizer: hmm!
May 23 13:18:04 <lcuk> or even - the visual basic 6 ide has a comment block thingy :p
May 23 13:18:12 <lcuk> click a ui button :D
May 23 13:18:21 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: I would assume so, but I always disable that crap
May 23 13:18:38 <MohammadAG> mce is closed, so i kind of guess you can't(?) do it
May 23 13:18:56 <MohammadAG> or just kill engines 1&2 and echo brightness levels and vibration levels
May 23 13:18:59 <frals> MohammadAG: its not done in mce, its handled by hildon-desktop
May 23 13:19:06 <MohammadAG> since fmms depends on rootsh, i can't see the problem
May 23 13:19:17 <frals> and it doesnt depend on rootsh ;)
May 23 13:19:47 <lcuk> doing the notifications properly by pre configuring the files to then call and use later is the proper way
May 23 13:20:06 <MohammadAG> Depends: python2.5, python-gtk2 (>= 2.12.1-6maemo10), python-osso (>= 0.4-0maemo2), python-hildon (>= 0.9.0-1maemo15), python-dbus, gnome-python (>= 2.18.0-2maemo6), python-imaging, python-gobject, python-evolution, rootsh, sharing-fmms, python-conic
May 23 13:20:11 <MohammadAG> frals sure? ;)
May 23 13:20:16 <frals> MohammadAG: http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-home/blobs/master/src/hd-sv-notification-daemon.c
May 23 13:20:30 <frals> MohammadAG: weird, im sure i removed it
May 23 13:20:33 <lcuk> of course best would be having the file pre configured with fmms details out of the flashed image :p
May 23 13:20:48 <MohammadAG> frals, oh, i didn't check the latest version :)
May 23 13:22:17 <MohammadAG> frals, compile a custom hildon-desktop! :P
May 23 13:22:38 <MohammadAG> (while you're at it, change the blur to a dimmed background, like in the MeeGo gallery)
May 23 13:23:12 <vanadismobile> hai
May 23 13:23:14 <lcuk> MohammadAG, ?
May 23 13:23:18 <lcuk> show screenies
May 23 13:24:09 <MohammadAG> lcuk, download the gallery :)
May 23 13:24:10 <MohammadAG> sec
May 23 13:24:15 <MohammadAG> lemme dl it
May 23 13:24:18 <vanadismobile> my microb is regularly setting its encoding from utf8 to big5 I/II
May 23 13:24:30 <vanadismobile> anybody encountering the same problem?
May 23 13:25:53 <MohammadAG> lcuk, getting rid of the blur will actually increase performance
May 23 13:26:14 <lcuk> :)
May 23 13:26:31 <MohammadAG> replacing it with a dim should keep functionality
May 23 13:26:53 <MohammadAG> (i.e to show what's inactive)
May 23 13:27:29 <lcuk> yeah MohammadAG
May 23 13:29:03 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: yeah - saw that - was abou to point you to that thread
May 23 13:30:25 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: having a tmo thread for "bugtracker" is quite strange
May 23 13:30:38 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 23 13:32:33 <crashanddie> ~seen javispedro
May 23 13:32:34 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, it's against the QA afaik
May 23 13:32:36 <infobot> javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10h 7m 59s ago, saying: 'well, leaving -- see you.'.
May 23 13:32:53 <crashanddie> where is your elected representative when you need one
May 23 13:33:05 <MohammadAG> lol
May 23 13:33:10 <lcuk> theres more than one
May 23 13:33:26 <crashanddie> lcuk: yeah, but only this one pointed me to ICD2, so I'm hoping he understands the docs better than I do :P
May 23 13:33:36 <SpeedEvil> It's better than the alternative - which is an email tracker
May 23 13:33:37 <DocScrutinizer> flashing the indicator LED by any other means than a d-bus call to MCE is probably a very bad idea
May 23 13:33:47 <lcuk> +1
May 23 13:34:03 <frals> ~nuke hd-sv-notification-daemon.c
May 23 13:34:04 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at hd-sv-notification-daemon.c ... B☢☢M!
May 23 13:34:13 <crashanddie> missle silos?
May 23 13:34:23 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, how did we fix the 5V thing?
May 23 13:34:31 <DocScrutinizer> huh?
May 23 13:34:46 <MohammadAG> we killed bme
May 23 13:34:57 <MohammadAG> killing mce won't harm - much
May 23 13:35:55 <MohammadAG> http://i49.tinypic.com/mbocjn.jpg lcuk
May 23 13:36:05 <DocScrutinizer> killing bme is considered an evil botch, not for any decent application. It needs a replacement for the time bme is stopped.
May 23 13:36:26 <DocScrutinizer> I do not see how to replace mce, just to flash the indicator light
May 23 13:36:37 <SpeedEvil> Or a kernel that can do autonomous charging.
May 23 13:36:39 <lcuk> sure MohammadAG
May 23 13:36:41 <lcuk> thx
May 23 13:36:48 <MohammadAG> lcuk, it dims more with a nested dialog http://i48.tinypic.com/2vttwls.jpg
May 23 13:36:54 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure why userspace would get involved in setting normal charging policy.
May 23 13:36:54 * DocScrutinizer yawns & sighs
May 23 13:37:12 <lcuk> thats just running the same algo on the already dimmed surface
May 23 13:37:16 <SpeedEvil> Though that's a fairly low priotiy
May 23 13:37:22 <MohammadAG> http://i48.tinypic.com/308d4ir.jpg
May 23 13:37:29 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: What were you going on about earlier about current to focus.
May 23 13:37:56 <MohammadAG> lcuk, replacing the blur with a dim shouldn't be hard
May 23 13:38:00 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, im diddling with focusing and have a continuously focusing camera test
May 23 13:38:09 <spectre-> hey
May 23 13:38:23 <MohammadAG> anyways, idk C so i'm in no 'position' to say that
May 23 13:38:27 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: Ah. So it you were wondering about additional current to autofocus an already running stream?
May 23 13:38:32 <spectre-> anyone know how to get a dns server running on an n900?
May 23 13:38:35 <lcuk> and wondered how much of a drain it would have, i suppose i should try it first without continuous and then with
May 23 13:38:40 <lcuk> and get the difference
May 23 13:38:41 <lcuk> yeah
May 23 13:39:00 <lcuk> MohammadAG, the fps looks drastic
May 23 13:39:05 <spectre-> is there a port of bind?
May 23 13:39:16 <RST38h> moo lcuk
May 23 13:39:16 <MohammadAG> lcuk, it's 60 but taking a screenshot downs it
May 23 13:39:26 <MohammadAG> 60-ish, fps is never static
May 23 13:39:32 <lcuk> spectre-, mm i think you can just install it
May 23 13:39:52 <spectre-> what repo is it in?
May 23 13:39:53 <frals> bah im just gonna fire off the vibra myself with dbus
May 23 13:39:54 <MohammadAG> apparently screenshots are CPU-intense
May 23 13:40:08 <frals> need to write a fucking plugin to hildon-sv-notification-daemon to do it properly
May 23 13:40:11 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: The camera focus is dynamic, not static. It takes current to keep the lens at any non-default position.
May 23 13:40:18 <lcuk> yeah MohammadAG but the screen should already exist
May 23 13:40:24 <lcuk> so should be saving with the fps it has
May 23 13:40:32 <MohammadAG> lcuk, ?
May 23 13:40:40 <lcuk> MohammadAG, when you ask for a screenshot
May 23 13:40:46 <lcuk> it should copy the pixmap that already exist
May 23 13:40:56 <lcuk> ie the one with high fps :P
May 23 13:41:01 <MohammadAG> there's a <1s delay
May 23 13:41:05 <lcuk> still
May 23 13:41:08 <lcuk> you get the idea
May 23 13:41:08 <MohammadAG> which is annoying
May 23 13:41:13 <MohammadAG> yeah
May 23 13:41:17 <lcuk> the hard part of taking a screenshot is compressing the details
May 23 13:41:25 <lcuk> after you have the inmemory pixmap
May 23 13:41:26 <MohammadAG> lcuk, apt-get install dui-demos-widgetsgallery
May 23 13:41:42 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: I wonder if you can use any of the nice existing compression engines in the device.
May 23 13:42:10 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, sure, if it uses the jpg lib it should?
May 23 13:42:15 <SpeedEvil> dunno
May 23 13:42:20 <lcuk> but have a look at what qt uses to save screenshot
May 23 13:42:23 <spectre-> ok
May 23 13:42:36 <spectre-> anyone know what repo bind is in?
May 23 13:42:40 <DocScrutinizer> frals: dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request  com.nokia.mce.request.req_vibrator_pattern_activate string:'PatternChatAndEmail'
May 23 13:42:42 <DocScrutinizer> frals: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:PatternCommunicationIM
May 23 13:42:48 <MohammadAG> lol
May 23 13:42:52 <DocScrutinizer> frals: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_deactivate string:PatternCommunicationIM
May 23 13:43:06 <MohammadAG> He asked for the email LED!
May 23 13:43:07 <MohammadAG> :P
May 23 13:43:20 <frals> got one for playing the email tone? ;D
May 23 13:43:24 <DocScrutinizer> pfrrrrrrrrrt
May 23 13:43:27 <frals> DocScrutinizer: thanks :)
May 23 13:44:07 <lcuk> echo "<say voice='connie'>You've got mail</say>
May 23 13:44:23 <MohammadAG> wrong language
May 23 13:44:28 <MohammadAG> :P
May 23 13:45:22 <lcuk> echo "<say voice='connie'>Du har mail</say>"
May 23 13:45:49 <DocScrutinizer> frals: (play email tone) probably system("aplay /usr/share/sounds/myFavourite_email_tone.wav")
May 23 13:47:27 <DocScrutinizer> or any other more sophisticated method to playback sound of your joice
May 23 13:47:35 <DocScrutinizer> err choice
May 23 13:47:39 <DocScrutinizer> OMFG
May 23 13:47:49 <DocScrutinizer> that coffee must have been bad
May 23 13:48:22 <DocScrutinizer> or too small
May 23 13:50:00 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, forget choice
May 23 13:50:12 <lcuk> having frals actually saying "your new mms has arrived"
May 23 13:50:13 <lcuk> :D
May 23 13:50:19 <DocScrutinizer> thought you'd say forget Joice
May 23 13:50:26 <lcuk> ;)
May 23 13:51:11 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: The focus alone uses up to 60mA more at closest focus. But that is ~5cm. At 30cm, it drops to ~10mA
May 23 13:51:30 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: HEH :-)
May 23 13:51:44 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: In context - display active and streaming video from camera is 220.
May 23 13:52:07 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, cam focus is via a e-magnet driven by a rather strong powerful D/A converter
May 23 13:52:46 <spectre-> ok guys, so nobody here has any idea how to get a dns server up on an n900?
May 23 13:53:11 <spectre-> i need to combine my joikuspot w/ a dns so that i can manipulate users behind it
May 23 13:53:31 <spectre-> and redirect them to my ip when they type "school" or something
May 23 13:53:39 <DocScrutinizer> evil manipulator!
May 23 13:53:53 <RST38h> Doc: So, what does it use to focus?
May 23 13:53:59 <RST38h> Doc: Some kind of liquid optics?
May 23 13:54:04 <spectre-> well i'm hosting an open courseware repository on my n900
May 23 13:54:18 <spectre-> 30 gigs of flash math instructional videos, mit courseware, etc
May 23 13:54:19 <DocScrutinizer> nah, just a moving lens, like every cam does
May 23 13:54:29 <spectre-> so when i throw up a hotspot i enable lighttpd
May 23 13:54:32 <SpeedEvil> lcuk: The acto of autofocusing may be another 20, it's hard to tell
May 23 13:54:46 <SpeedEvil> Also - live focus ++
May 23 13:54:48 <spectre-> problem is then clients have to enter my ip to access the content
May 23 13:54:57 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: you're watching thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=671598#post671598 ?
May 23 13:55:00 <spectre-> i wanna redirect dns requests for "school" to my ip
May 23 13:55:06 <SpeedEvil> spectre-: There is a DNS on it already
May 23 13:55:08 <spectre-> need a dns server running to do that
May 23 13:55:26 <spectre-> what do you mean?
May 23 13:55:28 <SpeedEvil> Or iptables
May 23 13:55:29 <spectre-> a dns server?
May 23 13:55:32 <SpeedEvil> there is already a DNS proxy
May 23 13:55:37 <SpeedEvil> I don't recall the details
May 23 13:55:47 <spectre-> dnsmasq?
May 23 13:55:54 <SpeedEvil> I don't think it can be enableable to be reachable externally
May 23 13:55:55 <SpeedEvil> that too
May 23 13:55:56 <spectre-> i saw that in apt-cache search
May 23 13:56:13 <SpeedEvil> I mean - there is a DNS proxy by default on the device
May 23 13:56:19 <SpeedEvil> this is why /etc/resolv.conf is as it is
May 23 13:56:34 <spectre-> yeah but i need to redirect users on the wifi hotspot
May 23 13:56:37 <frals> im awesome \o/
May 23 13:56:45 <spectre-> i can specify their primary dns in dhcpd config
May 23 13:56:49 <spectre-> to point to my ip
May 23 13:56:57 <spectre-> and thus redirect requests
May 23 13:56:57 <DocScrutinizer> frals: you're special
May 23 13:57:10 <MohammadAG> xD
May 23 13:57:11 <frals> no arguing there ;)
May 23 13:57:18 * DocScrutinizer highfives lcuk
May 23 13:57:24 <frals> http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/blobs/master/wappushhandler.py#line110 \o/
May 23 13:57:26 <SpeedEvil> Does mms's have geotags?
May 23 13:57:49 <frals> not that im aware :P
May 23 13:57:59 <SpeedEvil> I mean - if they're jpegs - shouldn't they?
May 23 13:58:05 <DocScrutinizer> photos might have though
May 23 13:58:10 <frals> the pictures can surely contain them
May 23 13:58:43 <DocScrutinizer> whatever the cam writes to exif (or what it's called)
May 23 13:58:50 <SpeedEvil> it's exif
May 23 13:59:03 <DocScrutinizer> mms won't bother
May 23 13:59:11 <SpeedEvil> Modulo https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584 of course
May 23 13:59:12 <povbot`> Bug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places)
May 23 13:59:54 <MohammadAG> can exifs be edited?
May 23 14:01:29 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 23 14:03:06 <DocScrutinizer> 6584 is a real showstopper - strange shit
May 23 14:06:31 <RST38h> Doc: that is not a bug, that is a feature
May 23 14:06:47 <MohammadAG> ???
May 23 14:06:49 <RST38h> Doc: It prevents pedophiles who get hold of your kid pictures to track down kid's location
May 23 14:06:58 <MohammadAG> not saving config is a feature?
May 23 14:06:58 <MohammadAG> oh
May 23 14:07:15 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i'm not sure if you're kiding
May 23 14:07:22 <MohammadAG> thought you were talking about xchat
May 23 14:07:31 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, he hasn't had enough coffee
May 23 14:07:34 <RST38h> Stskeeps: That is how I like it.
May 23 14:07:50 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: Bullshit.
May 23 14:07:55 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Your prayers to the Tentacled One have been answered: we finally have a reasonably responsive Maemo Mapper.
May 23 14:08:03 <Stskeeps> what was the bug?
May 23 14:08:05 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: 30m resolution is not a deterrent to that.
May 23 14:08:16 <MohammadAG> bug 6548
May 23 14:08:16 <RST38h> Stskeeps: GPS coordinates attached to the photos get truncated
May 23 14:08:17 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6548 Google Talk Video Chat crash & lack of interoperability
May 23 14:08:18 <MohammadAG> i think
May 23 14:08:24 <SpeedEvil> Stskeeps: GPS geotags in pictures are truncated to integer seconds of lat/lon
May 23 14:08:29 <MohammadAG> bah
May 23 14:08:33 <MohammadAG> bug 6584
May 23 14:08:34 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584 GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places)
May 23 14:08:55 <RST38h> Well, 0 decimal places is like a whole degree
May 23 14:08:58 <RST38h> That is hardly 30m
May 23 14:09:05 <SpeedEvil> integer seconds.
May 23 14:09:09 <RST38h> ah ok
May 23 14:09:33 <SpeedEvil> It's annoying for some use-cases - and makes the geotags almost useless for some things.
May 23 14:10:08 <Stskeeps> write a new camera app?
May 23 14:10:36 <MohammadAG> yeah, gimme 5 mins and it'll be on git
May 23 14:10:36 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Man, at this rate we are gonna write a whole new Maemo.
May 23 14:10:46 <RST38h> s/gonna/gonna have to/
May 23 14:10:46 <infobot> RST38h meant: Stskeeps: Man, at this rate we are gonna have to write a whole new Maemo.
May 23 14:10:54 <Stskeeps> i think it is what nokia hoped we'd do
May 23 14:10:55 <Stskeeps> :P
May 23 14:11:34 <SpeedEvil> Stskeeps: Well - the simpler solution would be something that just snoops dbus, looks for new files appearing, and rewrites their exif.
May 23 14:11:54 <MohammadAG> the cam app is crap though ;)
May 23 14:12:55 <RST38h> hello VDVsx
May 23 14:13:08 <RST38h> Ah, fuck the cam app
May 23 14:13:19 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: (stopping/killing bme/mce) see, bme is managing battery, and if we change state of device in a way it can't do that anyway, it's not polite but somewhat justified to stop it. MCE otoh is a resource arbiter (among other things), for LED and vibra. It's not a sane thing to stop it and take over those resources exclusively, as a lot of other apps may break - and btw MCE does quite a lot of other things you don't want to miss if you
May 23 14:13:21 <DocScrutinizer> want to keep your system operational
May 23 14:13:42 * RST38h is more concerned about the whole system getting stuck (blocked, locked up, unresponsive, etc) every time some app goes to the mmc for some reason
May 23 14:13:58 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, power button and sceen lock
May 23 14:14:03 <MohammadAG> nothing important :)
May 23 14:14:06 <MohammadAG> actually
May 23 14:14:08 <Stskeeps> RST38h: i think there's a I/O scheduler problem
May 23 14:14:08 <RST38h> Cost me an important chat today
May 23 14:14:15 <VDVsx> RST38h, hey
May 23 14:14:18 <MohammadAG> i never said kill mce, i said kill engine 1 & 2
May 23 14:14:19 <RST38h> Stskeeps: That has been confirmed
May 23 14:14:31 <RST38h> Stskeeps: What has not been confirmed is how to fix it
May 23 14:14:58 <MohammadAG> comment out the line of code and compile
May 23 14:14:59 <RST38h> Stskeeps: There is even a good enough test case to debug it: run Fennec, load some reasonably complex page
May 23 14:15:42 <Stskeeps> RST38h: see if you can replicate it in meego 1.0 i guess
May 23 14:15:54 <Stskeeps> we have .33 there so
May 23 14:17:47 <RST38h> Stskeeps <-- joking, cruelly
May 23 14:18:37 * RST38h wonders if this GLES thing is gonna work...hm
May 23 14:19:44 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: ack for I/O-scheduler problem
May 23 14:20:28 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: or even swapper problem
May 23 14:21:37 <DocScrutinizer> I suspect swaper daemon always taking precedence over any I/O-scheduler action, regardless of the priority of the process causing the swap
May 23 14:22:00 <wall[e]> anyone use lucid? I have problem xephyr won't start with -kb option
May 23 14:22:07 <SpeedEvil> :)
May 23 14:22:11 <SpeedEvil> http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-social-networking-site-changing-the-way-oh-chr,17465/
May 23 14:22:15 <RST38h> Doc: Is this configurable at the /etc or /sys level?
May 23 14:22:30 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: no idea, no kernel hacker here
May 23 14:22:57 <nocturnal> in the browser, how do i select text on a web page? i've tried the double tap several times but it just scrolls. do i need to activate it in freemantle?
May 23 14:23:32 <RST38h> swap the left-bottom corner left-to-right
May 23 14:23:38 <RST38h> you will see a little pointer icon
May 23 14:23:44 <RST38h> click on it. then you can select text
May 23 14:23:48 <RST38h> unclick the pointer icon when done
May 23 14:23:51 <DocScrutinizer> swipe :-P
May 23 14:24:03 <RST38h> s/swap/swipe yea
May 23 14:24:36 <nocturnal> oh i see
May 23 14:24:37 <nocturnal> =D
May 23 14:24:39 <nocturnal> thanks
May 23 14:24:51 <nocturnal> the wiki should be updated
May 23 14:25:24 <RST38h> fucking GLES... we hatesssss it
May 23 14:25:50 <MohammadAG> fsck chemistry
May 23 14:26:03 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: I just brainstorm and the result is I feel swapper should inherit process priority of the process causing the swap
May 23 14:26:04 <_llll_> nocturnal: agree that the wiki is poorly structured, but it's definitely on there somewhere
May 23 14:26:30 <MohammadAG> fre not free :)
May 23 14:26:39 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: assign it to that particular page swap task, to be precise
May 23 14:27:17 <RST38h> Doc: Absolutely useless idea, until implemented
May 23 14:27:30 <RST38h> "Brainstorm" = "useless"
May 23 14:27:49 <DocScrutinizer> I don't care much
May 23 14:27:58 <DocScrutinizer> brainstorm is my leisure
May 23 14:28:01 <MohammadAG> Brain ash cloud, wonder if we'll have that when MeeGo arrives
May 23 14:28:03 <MohammadAG> :)
May 23 14:30:21 <DocScrutinizer> s/brainstorm/thinking and pondering/
May 23 14:30:22 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: thinking and pondering is my leisure
May 23 14:32:33 <DocScrutinizer> implementing it otoh is work, which I'm preety aware of the fact there are others out there that are better on that, and maybe it's even their leissure
May 23 14:33:25 <johnsq> Hi
May 23 14:35:17 <wall[e]> any attempt to make android app runs on maemo?
May 23 14:35:36 <wall[e]> do they use x11?
May 23 14:35:45 <johnsq> wall[e]: why? just write the apps self.
May 23 14:35:47 <RST38h> yes
May 23 14:35:47 <MohammadAG> doesn't matter
May 23 14:35:48 <RST38h> no
May 23 14:35:50 <RST38h> google
May 23 14:35:51 <MohammadAG> they don't use java
May 23 14:36:04 <wall[e]> their vm is open right?
May 23 14:36:35 <wall[e]> but i guess they have their own disaplay system running on their vm too rather a native x
May 23 14:36:36 <wall[e]> ?
May 23 14:37:20 <MohammadAG> s/don't//
May 23 14:37:20 <infobot> MohammadAG meant: they  use java
May 23 14:37:30 <DocScrutinizer> dalvik != java
May 23 14:38:02 <wall[e]> just not jvm byte code? or it's a different language?
May 23 14:38:12 <MohammadAG> wall[e], starting the UI from scratch might be easier
May 23 14:38:17 <MohammadAG> and faster
May 23 14:38:28 <DocScrutinizer> it has androidisms all over the place aiui
May 23 14:38:54 <DocScrutinizer> android != linux
May 23 14:39:04 <MohammadAG> it has cupcakes too
May 23 14:39:30 <BCMM> android is a fork of the linux kernel
May 23 14:39:43 <DocScrutinizer> ~ff
May 23 14:39:44 <infobot> well, ff is even in dutch, or fork&fsck, or or Android
May 23 14:39:49 <MohammadAG> just like maemo's usb host driver
May 23 14:39:50 <BCMM> due to making too many somewhat odd changes that upstream doesn't want to incorporate
May 23 14:40:04 <wall[e]> interesting
May 23 14:40:35 <wall[e]> so their vm won't even run on linux kernel?
May 23 14:40:54 <MohammadAG> the android port on maemo needs it own kernel so...
May 23 14:41:13 <wall[e]> or maemo could run on android kernel
May 23 14:41:21 <wall[e]> may be easier that way!
May 23 14:41:48 <DocScrutinizer> oh yeah, implement a VM in dalvik, to run maemo inside XP
May 23 14:42:00 <wall[e]> heh
May 23 14:42:46 <wall[e]> dalvik is built-in to android kernel?
May 23 14:42:57 <DocScrutinizer> on a i7 @ 3GHz it might even run
May 23 14:43:18 <BCMM> android disturbs me slightly
May 23 14:43:26 <MohammadAG> what about an i5 @ 2.80 :P
May 23 14:43:29 <BCMM> feels a little like "embrace, extend, extinguish"
May 23 14:43:48 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 23 14:43:56 <MohammadAG> reminds me of Harmattan
May 23 14:44:05 <wall[e]> like mapping dalvik instruction into text or?
May 23 14:44:16 * wall[e] wonders why they need to do such thing.
May 23 14:44:33 <DocScrutinizer> maybe they had no clue?
May 23 14:44:34 <MohammadAG> cupcakes don't come cheap
May 23 14:44:36 <wall[e]> (text vs data)
May 23 14:44:38 <MohammadAG> or that
May 23 14:44:40 <MohammadAG> xD
May 23 14:45:15 <wall[e]> doubt google engineers are lame
May 23 14:45:17 <DocScrutinizer> anyway
May 23 14:45:22 <DocScrutinizer> ~nuke Android
May 23 14:45:23 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Android ... B☢☢M!
May 23 14:45:34 <wall[e]> nice!
May 23 14:45:48 <wall[e]> the OO part is so cool
May 23 14:46:34 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, it's "nuke", not "bomb"
May 23 14:46:39 * MohammadAG connects his USB javelin
May 23 14:46:43 <DocScrutinizer> ~bomb Android
May 23 14:46:44 * infobot drops a humongous exploding nuke on Android
May 23 14:46:51 <wall[e]> may be poook with biohazard icon
May 23 14:47:00 * MohammadAG uses DocScrutinizer's IP as the coordinates
May 23 14:47:19 <wall[e]> plague command whatever
May 23 14:47:31 <DocScrutinizer> infobot, I told you NOT to escalate to nuklear weapons on every small strike!
May 23 14:47:32 <infobot> You told you NOT to escalate to nuklear weapons on every small strike!?
May 23 14:47:33 * wall[e] loooks for something actually useful to do.
May 23 14:47:50 <MohammadAG> smartass bot
May 23 14:48:18 <DocScrutinizer> girls! :-/
May 23 14:48:26 <DocScrutinizer> ~attack Android
May 23 14:48:27 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing Android
May 23 14:48:58 <MohammadAG> poor droid
May 23 14:50:13 <DocScrutinizer> wall[e]: good at C?
May 23 14:50:36 <Dima_Sharihin> Oooh... Pure C...
May 23 14:52:00 <wall[e]> DocScrutinizer, quite.
May 23 14:53:15 <wall[e]> but only code in objective-c these days
May 23 14:53:28 <wall[e]> on anything that isn't apple
May 23 14:53:33 <DocScrutinizer> wall[e]: then help to dissect http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/* and maybe prepare a overview of which function is called by which other function, in which sourcefile they live etc
May 23 14:53:46 <wall[e]> ah
May 23 14:53:57 <Dima_Sharihin> wall[e], are you an Apple IPhone adept?
May 23 14:54:14 <wall[e]> no, a gnustep core dev
May 23 14:54:32 <wall[e]> and i refuse to touch any apple hardware
May 23 14:55:41 <Dima_Sharihin> Yeah. I had touched an IPhone. It's something strangy >_<
May 23 14:56:13 <wall[e]> i can't wait to spit on its grave and yell android at its face
May 23 14:59:31 <BCMM> infobot is female?
May 23 14:59:32 * infobot confuses all the nearby males
May 23 14:59:36 <BCMM> hah
May 23 14:59:52 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
May 23 15:01:09 <ZogG_N900> hey
May 23 15:01:23 <BCMM> g'day
May 23 15:02:02 <Stskeeps> hmm
May 23 15:02:05 <ZogG_N900> it would be nice to hear some feedback on my brainstorm about repos on talks
May 23 15:02:07 <Stskeeps> there's a bb5 in the n8x0?
May 23 15:02:26 <Stskeeps> i'm quite sure n810w has one
May 23 15:02:49 <MohammadAG> w?
May 23 15:03:23 <BCMM> anybody used the knots2 server on linux?
May 23 15:04:12 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, maybe you )
May 23 15:04:26 <MohammadAG> err?
May 23 15:05:17 <ZogG_N900> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=671747
May 23 15:05:27 <BCMM> it says that VLC fails to start, which is presumably because it passes options that my version of VLC doesn't understand
May 23 15:09:22 <Rabidus> Ei kiirehditt�is ollenkaan ja oltais rauhassa avan
May 23 15:09:30 <Rabidus> kun l�mmin lumi peitt�� maan. ment�is sit� katsomaan
May 23 15:09:42 <Rabidus> oops, wrong channel :D
May 23 15:09:46 <Rabidus> sry
May 23 15:10:22 <Dima_Sharihin> Rabidus, чего ты там говорил, а???
May 23 15:10:40 <Rabidus> :p
May 23 15:10:44 <crashanddie> Rabidus & Dima_Sharihin: please keep the channel English where possible
May 23 15:10:59 <Dima_Sharihin> crashanddie, sorry. That was a little mistake =)
May 23 15:10:59 <Rabidus> my mistake
May 23 15:11:10 <ZogG_N900> Dima_Sharihin, haha. privet
May 23 15:11:31 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, i think i sent wrong link
May 23 15:11:33 <Dima_Sharihin> ZogG, #maemo is a english-language channel. =)
May 23 15:11:53 <ZogG_N900> anyway look for brainstorm mirrors for repos thread
May 23 15:11:56 <MohammadAG> bgovno
May 23 15:12:15 <ZogG_N900> Dima_Sharihin, ow, really?
May 23 15:12:28 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, say wut?
May 23 15:12:36 <ZogG_N900> govno*
May 23 15:12:41 <MohammadAG> no
May 23 15:12:44 <MohammadAG> bs
May 23 15:14:16 <ZogG_N900> bs ?
May 23 15:15:11 <Stskeeps> ZogG_N900: my first reaction to your thread is "please learn what the enter button does on your keyboard"
May 23 15:15:45 <MohammadAG> bullshit ;)
May 23 15:16:00 <MohammadAG> @ ZogG_N900
May 23 15:16:07 <Dima_Sharihin> Stskeeps, or "please see what the layout selected on your keyboard"
May 23 15:29:33 <RST38h> I am giving up...GLES just does not work =(
May 23 15:31:09 <Stskeeps> well, or you are not doing it right
May 23 15:32:11 <RST38h> Stskeeps: At this point, I have pretty much eliminated this possibility
May 23 15:32:30 <RST38h> Unless, of course, PSX4All is doing something funny between my GLES accesses
May 23 15:32:42 <Stskeeps> well, how come everything else is working on the device then? :P
May 23 15:32:46 <Stskeeps> gles1 or gles2?
May 23 15:33:39 <RST38h> gles1
May 23 15:33:44 <RST38h> I have no idea, sorry
May 23 15:37:27 <RST38h> glDrawArrays() fails
May 23 15:37:37 <RST38h> coredumps even
May 23 15:42:40 <ZogG_N900> Stskeeps, anyway
May 23 15:42:48 <ZogG_N900> how is idea itself?
May 23 15:43:06 <ZogG_N900> MohammadAG, so you say it's bullshit?
May 23 15:44:19 <MohammadAG> yes, bgovno is bshit
May 23 15:45:03 * MohammadAG wonders if he should reply http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52689&page=2
May 23 15:45:03 <ZogG_N900> i mean thread
May 23 15:45:31 <MohammadAG> no, you said this is an english only channel
May 23 15:45:37 <MohammadAG> :)
May 23 15:45:46 <ZogG_N900> i didn't
May 23 15:46:14 <MohammadAG> idk :p
May 23 15:46:23 <ZogG_N900> meh
May 23 15:49:25 <Stskeeps> ZogG: not unknown, but apt not supporting redirects is a problem
May 23 15:49:43 <b0unc3> hello
May 23 15:50:16 <b0unc3> is there any way to get my app running in fullscreen ?
May 23 15:51:42 <Gh0sty> anyone have good experience with a particular brand of bluetooth earpiece?
May 23 15:53:01 <Gh0sty> my cheap one just sucks, people say it's too silent, it disconnects regularly and stuff :(
May 23 15:53:35 <RST38h> Ahha, found it!
May 23 15:53:42 <RST38h> Looks like SDL_gles is somewhat screwed up
May 23 15:54:33 <RST38h> MohammadAK: Watch that thread removed or moved to offtopic... =)
May 23 15:55:06 <MohammadAG> AK as in AK-47?
May 23 15:56:09 <RST38h> AK as in typo
May 23 15:57:20 <MohammadAG> did you just say i'm a terrorist?
May 23 15:57:28 <MohammadAG> (:p)
May 23 15:57:34 <FredrIQ> python seems to take up a very big amount of rootfs memory, is that normal?
May 23 15:58:31 <RST38h> MohammadAG: No. I said you are a typo.
May 23 15:58:34 <RST38h> =)
May 23 15:58:55 <MohammadAG> racist! (:p)
May 23 15:59:24 <RST38h> grammar nazi!
May 23 15:59:26 <FredrIQ> locale takes 28M, python2.5 21M
May 23 15:59:34 <FredrIQ> is that normal?
May 23 15:59:45 <RST38h> python also makes mess of your mounting table
May 23 15:59:53 <RST38h> and yes, it is normal
May 23 15:59:55 <FredrIQ> yes
May 23 16:00:00 <FredrIQ> i've seen that lol
May 23 16:00:05 <FredrIQ> anyway, ok
May 23 16:00:28 <MohammadAG> RST38h, RACIST!
May 23 16:01:21 * MohammadAG sends an unarmed missile to RST38h 
May 23 16:01:24 * RST38h considers the next move: should he claim MohammadAG is a religious fanatic, a race traitor, or a member of ZOG?
May 23 16:01:41 <MohammadAG> ZOG?
May 23 16:01:53 <RST38h> google it
May 23 16:02:20 <MohammadAG> lol
May 23 16:04:32 * MohammadAG waits for RST38h's next move
May 23 16:08:23 * RST38h mines the malodorous depths of his refrigerator
May 23 16:08:51 * MohammadAG hits the detonate button
May 23 16:09:23 * RST38h finds a rotten pig head and hurls it in MohammadAG's direction
May 23 16:09:35 <RST38h> (that should hurt either way, I guess)
May 23 16:11:28 <FredrIQ> where can i find the files for the icons in "More..."?
May 23 16:11:49 <FredrIQ> so i can add own/modify them/whatever
May 23 16:12:03 <MohammadAG> sigh
May 23 16:12:28 <MohammadAG> /usr/share/applications/hildon/
May 23 16:16:37 <Dima_Sharihin> /usr/share/icons?
May 23 16:17:57 <MohammadAG> i think he was referring to the .desktop files
May 23 16:20:46 <wall[e]> what kind of modification? raster way?
May 23 16:21:00 <wall[e]> or logical way?
May 23 16:21:41 <wall[e]> or both way?
May 23 16:23:55 <DocScrutinizer> the .desktop files define the logical properties (which app to start etc) and hold a pointer to an icon image file
May 23 16:24:16 * wall[e] ponders a moment and think may be it's good to have all apps running in a single process.
May 23 16:24:32 <wall[e]> as threads
May 23 16:24:53 <PhonicUK> hey all
May 23 16:25:02 <wall[e]> i should design my next mobile os that way...
May 23 16:25:29 <SpeedEvil> wall[e]: naah
May 23 16:25:32 <DocScrutinizer> wall[e]: aiui the desktop widgets are working that way
May 23 16:25:38 <SpeedEvil> wall[e]: Just put the X server in busybox
May 23 16:25:46 <DocScrutinizer> quite nasty side effects
May 23 16:26:03 <wall[e]> need very good frameworks underneath
May 23 16:26:14 <DocScrutinizer> it's called OS :-P
May 23 16:26:27 <wall[e]> something like cocoa binding to garantee absolute encapsulation
May 23 16:26:37 <wall[e]> overflow will kill the whole thing though.
May 23 16:26:47 <wall[e]> and impossible to debug
May 23 16:26:52 <wall[e]> yeh, let's make it that way.
May 23 16:26:57 <wall[e]> XD
May 23 16:26:58 <DocScrutinizer> like desktop widgets :-P
May 23 16:27:19 <wall[e]> strange design, i'd say
May 23 16:27:55 <wall[e]> but it allow object to register services easily w/o going into networking layer like dbus etc
May 23 16:28:09 <RST38h> Ok, how do I reposition SDL_GLES window to show polygons in the 0,0-800,480 range?
May 23 16:29:14 <RST38h> !
May 23 16:29:18 <RST38h> heya javispedro
May 23 16:29:27 <javispedro> hello all
May 23 16:29:33 <RST38h> javispedro: how do I make gles1 show me 0,0-800,480 rectangle?
May 23 16:29:47 <javispedro> do you want to show a texture I guess?
May 23 16:29:52 <javispedro> use glDrawTexi
May 23 16:30:45 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, here's your elected guy
May 23 16:30:56 <MohammadAG> hey javispedro
May 23 16:31:09 <crashanddie> yo javispedro
May 23 16:31:12 <javispedro> uh. hello.
May 23 16:31:27 <crashanddie> javispedro: wrt to ICD2, have you seen a demo of the implementation somewhere?
May 23 16:31:47 <javispedro> nope
May 23 16:31:56 <crashanddie> javispedro: I've had a quick look at the ICD2 QT demo, and stuff like that, but the doc is really quite opaque
May 23 16:32:04 <javispedro> Qt demo? O.o
May 23 16:32:22 <commo> k, i hope this is the right place to ask a maemo-related question... i'm trying to set up a wpa-ttls connection on my n900 using the connection-wizard. the network requires a certificate, but the wizard doesn't allow me to select one. it does ask me for a certificate, i simply don't get to pick a file. is there a way to configure my wireless connection using a config-file? isn't there something like a wpa_supplicant.conf on maemo?
May 23 16:32:29 <Stskeeps> crashanddie: what are you talking about?
May 23 16:32:29 <Stskeeps> :P
May 23 16:32:50 <javispedro> crashanddie: I knew this was a bit overkill....
May 23 16:32:56 <RST38h> javispedro: No, I just want my view to cover the 0,0-800,480 space
May 23 16:33:10 <RST38h> javispedro: no textures, just polygons
May 23 16:33:12 <crashanddie> javispedro: it isn't overkill, it's the right way to do it
May 23 16:33:40 <crashanddie> javispedro: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Qt_for_Maemo:_ICD2_Example
May 23 16:34:11 <Stskeeps> ah
May 23 16:34:21 <Stskeeps> that just talks to it, you want a plugin/connect?
May 23 16:34:25 <javispedro> nope -- http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/icd2/group__srv__provider__api.html
May 23 16:34:31 <javispedro> Stskeeps^^
May 23 16:35:00 <javispedro> do you know of an existing implementation of that, or a non-as-complex way to do it?
May 23 16:35:21 <wall[e]> othox?
May 23 16:35:24 <wall[e]> or
May 23 16:35:30 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: Trying to implement a service provider module for ICD2, so that I can detect if a network is from a specific provider, and then set it in "limited connectivity" state until openssl/wget (or curl, to keep luke-jr happy) logs you in to the service
May 23 16:36:04 <wall[e]> or perspective?
May 23 16:36:26 <Stskeeps> no idea sorry
May 23 16:36:33 <crashanddie> wall[e]: what are you on about?
May 23 16:36:43 <wall[e]> opengl
May 23 16:37:10 <javispedro> crashanddie: that sample uses d-bus, but according to that doc you need to create a C plugin
May 23 16:37:18 <wall[e]> orthographics
May 23 16:37:26 <crashanddie> javispedro: that's why I said it doesn't make much sense to me :P
May 23 16:37:39 <javispedro> crashanddie: you might want to ask Patrik, he usually reads the mailing lists and has been posting icd2 network module samples (which a few years ago where mostly sadly lacking)
May 23 16:37:45 <crashanddie> wall[e]: please don't just shout words, try to be coherent, also prepend the nickname of the person you're talking to
May 23 16:38:01 <crashanddie> javispedro: Patrik?
May 23 16:38:04 <ZogG> <MohammadAG> ZOG? >(
May 23 16:38:07 <Stskeeps> patrik flykt
May 23 16:38:11 <crashanddie> k, thanks
May 23 16:38:15 <wall[e]> crashanddie, i was lagged
May 23 16:38:30 <wall[e]> raining and thunder
May 23 16:38:43 <javispedro> crashanddie: yep, his email is on /usr/include/icd2/*.h
May 23 16:38:49 <javispedro> er..
May 23 16:38:57 <javispedro> /usr/include/icd/<any file>.h
May 23 16:38:58 <crashanddie> javispedro: good, will look for it
May 23 16:39:02 <crashanddie> thanks for the info
May 23 16:39:07 <Stskeeps> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1890 <- excellent
May 23 16:39:34 <wall[e]> crashanddie, w/c
May 23 16:40:15 <Dima_Sharihin> Stskeeps, omg. It's dangerous for brain
May 23 16:40:42 <crashanddie> Stskeeps: hehe
May 23 16:40:59 <crashanddie> anyway, going to play taxi for the family, 'later all
May 23 16:41:06 <javispedro> cya crashanddie
May 23 16:41:34 <javispedro> RST38h: so do you want to draw a rectangle covering the entire view as per default camera, projections, etc.?
May 23 16:42:25 <javispedro> RST38h: GLES does not have QUADS, so you have to use two triangles.
May 23 16:42:53 <javispedro> RST38h: also, consider getting package nehegles from extras, as it contains some ports of desktop GL samples to GLES.
May 23 16:44:44 <javispedro> (if what you're asking instead is to configure the viewport -- the area where stuff is drawn -- sdl_gles should take care of it; unless you have resized the window interactively (for ex. fullscreen n810 button), in which case you should call SDL_GLES_SetVideoMode()).
May 23 16:45:08 * DocScrutinizer shakes head on reading http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/KIS001587_-_VoIP_Audio_Service_API:_DTMF_tones_cannot_be_played_to_telephony_uplink_in_S60_3rd_Edition,_FP2 ,  points to Out-of-band DTMF (SIP INFO) and RFC 2833 DTMF events
May 23 16:45:09 <Dima_Sharihin> http://www.ixbt.com/short/images/2010/May/HP_Labs_Farm_Waste_Power_Flow_Chart_300dpi_Final_002.jpg <-lol
May 23 16:47:41 <SpeedEvil> Do libraries from packages get auto-promoted if the main app gets promoted?
May 23 16:49:12 <wall[e]> crashanddie, how about if you don't get a clue, it isn't for you?
May 23 16:49:45 <javispedro> SpeedEvil: yes.
May 23 16:50:35 <SpeedEvil> Thanks.
May 23 16:50:37 <wall[e]> this laggged
May 23 16:50:50 * SpeedEvil ponders thumbing up all of the libraries in extras-devel that he uses. :)
May 23 16:51:18 <javispedro> if you can promote a library it's most probably a bug
May 23 16:51:27 <javispedro> libraries should be outside of the user/ category
May 23 16:51:51 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: (you have to use two triangles) lmao
May 23 16:52:25 <SpeedEvil> http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/all/fremantle_extras-testing/
May 23 16:54:52 <javispedro> SpeedEvil, ah, you clicked on "all packages" =)
May 23 16:55:04 <javispedro> you scared me for a moment :)
May 23 16:55:49 <SpeedEvil> I was - after doing some packagetesting - idly wondering about doing silly stuff.
May 23 17:01:51 <RST38h> javispedro: I do not quite understand one thing: does GLES always draw stuff in -1,-1..1,1 range?
May 23 17:02:06 <RST38h> javispedro: or can I make it draw things in some other range?
May 23 17:02:20 <javispedro> yes, same as desktop GL
May 23 17:02:35 <RST38h> but isn't it possible to make it scale?
May 23 17:02:44 <javispedro> use a linear operator
May 23 17:02:49 <RST38h> ?
May 23 17:02:56 <javispedro> glScalef(x,y,z)
May 23 17:03:00 <RST38h> ah!
May 23 17:03:01 <RST38h> thanks
May 23 17:04:28 * RST38h cackles evilly, fully expecting a Sony logo
May 23 17:04:52 * javispedro remembers the Sony logo "music"
May 23 17:04:58 <javispedro> or noise.
May 23 17:05:29 <RST38h> nope, does not work
May 23 17:06:49 <javispedro> if you're going into gles dev I really suggest trying this a bit outside of any other bigger project, as it's way too easy to mess the rendering (and get entirely black screens, etc.)
May 23 17:07:46 <RST38h> javispedro: I have got enough printf()s to print a Bible.
May 23 17:08:02 <RST38h> javispedro: So, lack of debug output is not a problem =)
May 23 17:08:19 <javispedro> you're printf() pixels also? =)
May 23 17:09:01 * javispedro once had to resort to that while debugging clutter... hmpf.
May 23 17:09:08 <Dima_Sharihin> RST38h, printing data from /dev/urandom seems to be funnier
May 23 17:11:13 <RST38h> javispedro: not pixels, but I am printing every single triangle
May 23 17:11:35 <ZogG> frals, \o/
May 23 17:11:41 <wall[e]> logically speaking you just assume bible is funny.
May 23 17:11:55 <mintux> I installed lighthttpd and create a test.php but it want to downloads . it doesn't install php itself ?
May 23 17:11:57 <ZogG> "frals : made the mms notification pretty! yey \o/"
May 23 17:12:29 <plastun> Hello! how to stop animation circle in my app title bar?
May 23 17:12:57 <javispedro> plastun: how are you showing it?
May 23 17:13:18 <javispedro> using Qt, Gtk+, an Xlib atom... ? :)
May 23 17:13:21 <plastun> using hildon.hildon_banner_show_progress
May 23 17:13:26 <javispedro> pygtk, I see
May 23 17:14:32 <javispedro> I think that you have to destroy the banner and reshow it.
May 23 17:14:51 <javispedro> http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/HildonBanner.html#hildon-banner-show-progress
May 23 17:15:00 <frals> plastun: call same function again and change the 0 to 1 or vice versa afaik
May 23 17:15:13 <plastun> ok, I'll try. Thanks
May 23 17:15:21 <RST38h> OMG I GOT IT
May 23 17:15:40 <javispedro> RST38h: a sony logo, or two full screen sized triangles? =)
May 23 17:15:56 <RST38h> PSX logo
May 23 17:16:14 <RST38h> a few more prayers to the Tentacled One, a quick sacrifice, and I am done
May 23 17:16:20 <frals> plastun: nvm, thats when using hildon.hildon_gtk_window_set_progress_indicator
May 23 17:16:46 <plastun> yes, I see
May 23 17:16:50 <javispedro> frals: actually fremantle may call the latter when using hildon_banner_show_progress, not tested that though.
May 23 17:16:55 <javispedro> (so dunno)
May 23 17:23:48 <mikki-kun> hm... which of the "kernel-powers" is the "safe one"? i heard that one specific version should be "featurefree" and the others have some random features like "ooops, sorry to interrupt you, but we're now going into a reboot-cycle"
May 23 17:24:32 <javispedro> I guess the one in extras? even though the only "safe" kernel is the nokia-blessed one.
May 23 17:24:46 <RST38h> javispedro: any idea what u/v values would mean in PSX?
May 23 17:24:59 <RST38h> javispedro: (there are polygons with points given as x,y,u,v)
May 23 17:25:03 <javispedro> RST38h: in a gl context u v are usually 2d coordinates in a texture
May 23 17:25:11 <javispedro> hum.
May 23 17:25:24 <javispedro> never used nor coded for a psx :S
May 23 17:25:38 <mikki-kun> javispedro: so i should turn off testing and devel, load the kernel and that should give me the safest 'not nokia' kernel, right?
May 23 17:26:00 <javispedro> mikki-kun: yes.......
May 23 17:26:20 <mikki-kun> ok... cause in easy-deb i need a lil more extra-power than the stock 600 can give me...
May 23 17:26:32 <javispedro> voids warranty
May 23 17:27:08 <mintux> the lighhttpd in maemo is same on pc ?? my mind is I configure it like on pc ( I need to install php module for it )
May 23 17:27:46 <Dima_Sharihin> mintux, by the default, maemo applications is cutted versions of PC ones
May 23 17:27:52 <RST38h> javispedro: ah that must be it
May 23 17:28:26 <mikki-kun> javispedro: i know... but at certain times i need a lil extra from the cpu... i'll switch it back when i know i am not heavily using the cpu to default values
May 23 17:28:58 <RST38h> ok, got colors right
May 23 17:29:06 <RST38h> now need to flip picture vertically
May 23 17:29:44 <javispedro> glScale(1, -1, 1) or sth like that
May 23 17:31:04 <RST38h> yes but I should also translate it properly
May 23 17:31:07 <RST38h> testing
May 23 17:33:43 <javispedro> RST38h: this god of yours is quite interesting and benevolent. I'm gonna convert one of those days.
May 23 17:33:47 <RST38h> Well, although I am only getting the PSX logo, it seems to run waaaay faster than the current PSX4All
May 23 17:34:13 <RST38h> javispedro: A moment, Lord Dunsany has got a relevant quote
May 23 17:38:27 * javispedro finishes reading today's inbox
May 23 17:42:12 <mintux> is there any auto complete source editor with highlight syntax for maemo ?
May 23 17:42:26 <Appiah> vim
May 23 17:42:36 <Macer> hm
May 23 17:42:45 <Macer> wonder if gftp is out of dev
May 23 17:43:21 <mikki-kun> Macer: gftp is buggy (at least it wasn't working until three days ago when i tried it... scrolling was impossible)
May 23 17:43:24 <wall[e]> why edit in maemo?
May 23 17:43:30 <wall[e]> i just wonder.
May 23 17:43:57 <RST38h> javispedro: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CBYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.horrormasters.com%2FText%2Fa1662.pdf&ei=JGn5S7-0GZaWOLjZwZUM&usg=AFQjCNEx5A32K2LExZJT-ac2By2wQ5r4nA&sig2=PfT3b4iPJvQ_3Y-V0-uEmQ
May 23 17:44:05 <RST38h> (sorry)
May 23 17:44:09 <mintux> vim is hard to work because command line
May 23 17:44:22 <wall[e]> is there qemacs ?
May 23 17:44:23 <javispedro> what, a 3 page quote? :P
May 23 17:44:25 <wall[e]> how was that?
May 23 17:45:00 <mintux> qemacs is command line too
May 23 17:45:23 <wall[e]> ah i thought it was in qt
May 23 17:45:27 <RST38h> javispedro: 2nd page
May 23 17:45:33 <wall[e]> actually it's quick
May 23 17:45:34 <RST38h> javispedro: was too long to quote
May 23 17:45:49 <RST38h> ok, I finally killed the n900
May 23 17:46:23 <mintux> and another question is what is characters of < and > on keyboard ?
May 23 17:47:40 <mintux> very important characters for programing
May 23 17:47:50 <wall[e]>  /| Sym
May 23 17:48:05 <wall[e]> alt-sym
May 23 17:48:08 <Macer> mikki-kun: yeah. i saw that with the dev ver
May 23 17:48:21 <wall[e]>  /^
May 23 17:48:25 <Macer> i havent tried it in a while. i was hoping it was fixed
May 23 17:48:27 * wall[e] tries his best.
May 23 17:49:04 <wall[e]> for <>
May 23 17:49:34 <mintux> wall[e]: doesn't work  Sym+/  ?
May 23 17:49:41 <wall[e]> no
May 23 17:49:44 <wall[e]> it's alt
May 23 17:49:52 <wall[e]> looks kinda like |/_
May 23 17:50:00 <wall[e]> but rotate 180 degree
May 23 17:50:05 <mintux> alt between ctrl and shift?
May 23 17:50:10 <wall[e]> yes
May 23 17:50:22 <wall[e]> oh, that was much better explaination
May 23 17:50:28 <wall[e]> thanks!
May 23 17:50:34 <mintux> I press alt+v but it types /
May 23 17:50:54 <wall[e]> |/_ + Sym
May 23 17:50:57 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: *sigh*
May 23 17:51:06 <timeless_mbp> i just noticed my sudoers file is out of date
May 23 17:51:26 <mintux>  |/_ + Sym+/ = <  ?
May 23 17:51:38 <wall[e]> mintux, no, it brings up table
May 23 17:51:56 <tybollt_> \o/
May 23 17:51:57 <mintux> it works every where ?
May 23 17:52:00 <wall[e]> just /|\ + Sym
May 23 17:52:02 <mintux> im in pygtkeditor
May 23 17:52:25 <mintux> got ir
May 23 17:52:27 <mintux> got
May 23 17:52:28 <mintux> it
May 23 17:52:36 <mintux> so I should press on screen
May 23 17:52:42 <wall[e]> infrared can be used to control tv
May 23 17:52:49 <wall[e]> ir = infrared
May 23 17:53:08 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; that ain't good, noticed the binary you mentioned for update the language files don't exist on my n900
May 23 17:53:11 <wall[e]> if you use xterminal
May 23 17:53:25 <wall[e]> you can have <> in tool bar
May 23 17:53:40 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: hrm, which flavor of my files do you have in /usr/sbin ?
May 23 17:53:45 <timeless_mbp> dpkg -l *en*1
May 23 17:53:47 <mintux> I think why < and > it's not in keyboard and zxc (alt ) unusable is on keyboard
May 23 17:53:53 <timeless_mbp> then dpkg -L <that> |grep /usr/sbin
May 23 17:54:01 <mintux> the first negative point for n900
May 23 17:54:20 <wall[e]> mintux, you can remap hw keyboard
May 23 17:54:34 <mintux> need special program
May 23 17:54:36 <wall[e]> replace pound and euro
May 23 17:55:10 <mintux> how can I do that ?
May 23 17:55:46 <wall[e]> should be defined in some xkb file
May 23 17:55:48 <wall[e]> hmmmm
May 23 17:55:53 <wall[e]> russian did it
May 23 17:56:09 <wall[e]> i never try
May 23 17:56:21 <mintux> ok
May 23 17:56:32 <wall[e]> their package call xkb ru something
May 23 17:56:42 <wall[e]> google should help
May 23 17:57:03 <wall[e]> i think i saw an article or two
May 23 17:57:08 <wall[e]> go dig!
May 23 17:58:16 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; don't seem to get the full package name with -l, so I can't do the -L
May 23 17:58:26 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: use |cat
May 23 17:58:31 <timeless_mbp> or shrink your font size
May 23 18:00:45 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; cat worked, shrinking fonts didn't. The only one is /usr/bin/pick-locale-engb
May 23 18:00:56 <mintux> is it possible to define socket connection proxy for browser?
May 23 18:00:58 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: /usr/sbin not /usr/bin
May 23 18:01:17 <timeless_mbp> mintux: do you mean "SOCKS"?
May 23 18:01:51 <mintux> yep
May 23 18:03:05 <timeless_mbp> for a session, http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries#Network.
May 23 18:03:13 <timeless_mbp> the socks option will do what you want
May 23 18:03:45 <mintux> connect to my server and use that connection . in my location many of site's are blocked
May 23 18:03:48 <Trizt> timeless; sorry, will check the right one.. nothing, empty
May 23 18:04:00 <timeless_mbp> however, be aware that per system "Requirements" the preference to use socks instead of the other proxy kinds will almost certainly get trashed each time you start the browser (roughly boot the n900)
May 23 18:04:17 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: surely there's *something* in /usr/sbin that's mine?!
May 23 18:04:22 * timeless_mbp frowns
May 23 18:04:31 <timeless_mbp> can you pastebin the dpkg -l output?
May 23 18:04:37 * timeless_mbp wonders which versions of things Trizt has
May 23 18:04:53 <mintux> is it possible to define different profile for firefox?
May 23 18:04:54 <Trizt> one moment
May 23 18:05:09 <RST38h> javispedro: One more stupid question: how do I clear all currently drawn polygons?
May 23 18:05:17 <javispedro> glClear
May 23 18:05:45 <RST38h> ah it is glClear(GL_COLOR_BUFFER_BIT);
May 23 18:05:46 <RST38h> thanks
May 23 18:05:47 <javispedro> glClear(GL_COLOR_BUFFER_BIT) if you're not using depth testing
May 23 18:05:50 <javispedro> yep
May 23 18:06:48 <mintux> timeless_mbp im in that page but I could not open that option when I click on it just my screen zoom and back
May 23 18:07:11 <timeless_mbp> mintux: um
May 23 18:07:15 <timeless_mbp> i'm not tech support
May 23 18:07:19 <timeless_mbp> and you aren't paying me enough
May 23 18:07:24 <timeless_mbp> the page has the info you need
May 23 18:07:29 <timeless_mbp> go learn how ot use the browser
May 23 18:07:33 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; http://pastebin.com/aCSALLjV
May 23 18:07:49 <timeless_mbp> s/ot/to/
May 23 18:07:49 <infobot> timeless_mbp meant: go learn how to use the browser
May 23 18:08:02 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; I notice there are double packages installed of some
May 23 18:08:16 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: eh? the pr11/pr12 thing is expected
May 23 18:08:25 <timeless_mbp> it's how i'm dealing w/ the pr11/pr12 disaster
May 23 18:08:44 <mintux>  timeless_mbp: I know how to use it . and I don't have to you answer me . but in the firefox in maemo click on page defined zoom . and I don't know how to select a text on this browser also
May 23 18:08:45 <wall[e]> i'd call that pms
May 23 18:08:57 <timeless_mbp> mintux: well go learn?
May 23 18:09:01 <timeless_mbp> there's an entire tutorial
May 23 18:09:08 <mintux> im trying now
May 23 18:09:08 <wall[e]> j/k
May 23 18:09:10 <timeless_mbp> which iirc is linked from the maemo screens
May 23 18:09:27 <wall[e]> ah this is so distracting
May 23 18:10:04 <javispedro> http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/05/23/154218/First-Pandora-Console-Reaches-Customer
May 23 18:10:13 <DocScrutinizer> while you're at it, please fix 687                 INFO("H: host mode\n");  ->  687                 INFO("H/h: host mode\n");
May 23 18:10:20 <DocScrutinizer> oops, sorry
May 23 18:10:40 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; okey, I thought it was an artefact from the problems
May 23 18:10:43 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: btw, what's the name of the host channel again?
May 23 18:11:04 <DocScrutinizer> maemo-hostmode-discussion
May 23 18:11:05 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: hrm, but you really don't have anything from me in /usr/sbin?
May 23 18:11:10 <MohammadAG> thanks
May 23 18:11:11 <timeless_mbp> that's kinda bad :(
May 23 18:11:15 <timeless_mbp> there should be *something* there
May 23 18:11:22 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: I read your tmo post; I already had seen that
May 23 18:11:23 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; maybe thats only fro 1.2?
May 23 18:11:29 <Trizt> or you only?
May 23 18:11:50 <timeless_mbp> Trizt: my packages are a bit of a mess, i'm reorganizing again now...
May 23 18:11:53 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: you don't think it's a step ahead?
May 23 18:12:12 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: did nothing. this was pre-egoshin method investigation though
May 23 18:12:43 <Trizt> timeless_mbp; will you drop the 1.1 support as soon as the 1,2 is public?
May 23 18:12:47 <timeless_mbp> no
May 23 18:13:02 <timeless_mbp> my goal is for it to magically work w/o requiring an update
May 23 18:13:14 <timeless_mbp> hence requiring your n900 to pull in the pr12 package even before 1.2 ships
May 23 18:13:37 <timeless_mbp> the exact definition of "magically" is still under development
May 23 18:13:50 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro:
May 23 18:13:53 <DocScrutinizer> while you're at it, please fix 687                 INFO("H: host mode\n");  ->  687                 INFO("H/h: host mode\n");
May 23 18:13:55 <Trizt> :)
May 23 18:13:58 <DocScrutinizer> oops
May 23 18:14:08 <DocScrutinizer> 1116         } else if (is_host_enabled(musb)) {
May 23 18:14:10 <DocScrutinizer> 1117                 /* assume ID pin is hard-wired to ground */
May 23 18:14:11 <DocScrutinizer> 1118                 devctl |= MUSB_DEVCTL_SESSION;
May 23 18:14:26 <MohammadAG> Oi! #maemo-hostmode-discussion !
May 23 18:14:29 <MohammadAG> :p
May 23 18:14:34 <javispedro> let's move into it if you wish
May 23 18:14:35 <DocScrutinizer> yup
May 23 18:14:53 <wall[e]> and it definitely would come shortly after pr1.2
May 23 18:15:32 <wall[e]> i seriously should go
May 23 18:21:32 <Appiah> did I hear hostmode?
May 23 18:21:48 <MohammadAG> no
May 23 18:21:51 <MohammadAG> :)
May 23 18:21:55 <Appiah> =(
May 23 18:22:14 <MohammadAG> check the OTG post on tmo
May 23 18:22:18 <mintux> I don't understand it: Swipe finger from the left of the screen (outside of screen), towards right (into the screen) . what the meaning of out of screen
May 23 18:22:51 <mintux>  I press my finger fast just zoom it and out
May 23 18:23:46 <mintux> I want to select a text
May 23 18:24:45 <Jaffa> Yay for people using the fact the URL isn't what they want, and the technology isn't what they want to actually doing some work. Instead they'll come up with "good ideas" and then moan that they're not done.
May 23 18:25:09 <mintux> I found a movie in youtube for that
May 23 18:25:28 <GeneralAntilles> mintux, the space on the left of the device where there's no screen.
May 23 18:25:59 <mintux> GeneralAntilles: but the page is open and fill screen
May 23 18:26:06 <Stskeeps> Jaffa: mentioning Mer might be a bit of a red cloth ;p
May 23 18:26:18 <GeneralAntilles> mintux, the part of the device where there is no screen.
May 23 18:26:24 <Jaffa> Stskeeps: True, but I'm still proud of the wiki hackery there :)
May 23 18:26:30 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, it's Talk. It's SD69. Keep your expectations low and you'll only be a little disappointed.
May 23 18:26:37 <GeneralAntilles> Jaffa, when's the issue going up?
May 23 18:26:52 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: About to publish the doc for editing now :-)
May 23 18:27:21 <mintux>  GeneralAntilles: if I zoom out my page there was blank screen beside the page
May 23 18:28:11 <GeneralAntilles> mintux, off screen means off of the part of the device that displays information.
May 23 18:28:21 <GeneralAntilles> So swipe from where there's no screen on the left towards the right of the device.
May 23 18:28:32 <mintux> hmm
May 23 18:29:06 <GeneralAntilles> Where did the UI people put that video that demos the browse use?
May 23 18:29:11 <GeneralAntilles> s/browse/browser/
May 23 18:29:11 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Where did the UI people put that video that demos the browser use?
May 23 18:29:39 <timeless_mbp> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32525 ?
May 23 18:29:46 <timeless_mbp> http://www.youtube.com/user/Maemo5UITeam
May 23 18:29:50 <mintux> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVMPu83f22g
May 23 18:34:12 <mintux> we don't have javac for maemo?
May 23 18:34:21 <timeless_mbp> who's  "we"?
May 23 18:38:24 <pupnik> heya..  i ran kismet on the plane and got a wlan beacon at 30000 ft over sweden
May 23 18:38:30 <pupnik> was tracking the gps too _ got a screencast of it for "proof"
May 23 18:38:41 <timeless_mbp> nice
May 23 18:38:47 <pupnik> hows that for strange :)
May 23 18:39:01 <pupnik> but flickr just refused to transcode the N900 screencast
May 23 18:39:01 <timeless_mbp> was it stationary or moving? :)
May 23 18:39:16 <pupnik> i was moving 512 mph
May 23 18:39:19 <lcuk> im guessing the wlan was stationary ;)
May 23 18:42:49 <SpeedEvil> Or a troll on the plane.
May 23 18:43:44 <lcuk> the pilot giggling with stewardesses
May 23 18:45:13 <Stskeeps> or aliens wanting to get into pupnik's brain
May 23 18:45:36 <lcuk> heh
May 23 18:46:10 <lcuk> heh Stskeeps that too
May 23 18:46:28 <lcuk> tho im thinking someone with a pringles can aiming it at the plane :D
May 23 18:46:36 <lcuk> pupnik, how long did the signal last?
May 23 18:46:55 * timeless_mbp looks for someone familiar w/ /etc/sudoers
May 23 18:47:36 <pupnik> lcuk: just a beacon - not a single packet iirc
May 23 18:48:47 <lcuk> ahh pupnik
May 23 18:49:12 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, talk and see if we can solve problem collectively?
May 23 18:50:34 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: i want to allow:
May 23 18:50:44 <timeless_mbp>  /usr/sbin/my_app foo|bar <anything>
May 23 18:50:53 <timeless_mbp> i.e. /usr/sbin/my_app foo some things
May 23 18:51:01 <timeless_mbp>  /usr/sbin/my_app bar other stuff
May 23 18:51:14 <timeless_mbp> not: /usr/sbin/my_app blah whatever
May 23 18:54:00 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, so you want to allow calling your command but with only specific sets of parameters?
May 23 18:54:10 <timeless_mbp> kinda
May 23 18:54:12 <adeus> script?
May 23 18:54:17 <timeless_mbp> think of my first thing as a verb
May 23 18:54:25 <timeless_mbp> i want to enable sudo for a limited set of verbs
May 23 18:54:30 <timeless_mbp> but an unlimited set of nouns
May 23 18:54:34 <lcuk> was thinking that adeus
May 23 18:54:39 <lcuk> a worker script
May 23 18:54:56 <timeless_mbp> i could just let it accept anything
May 23 18:55:03 <timeless_mbp> my goal isn't to encourage random sudo use
May 23 18:55:32 <lcuk> sure, i had the same issue when i was doing cpu boost on 810
May 23 18:55:58 <lcuk> i ended up just making 3 scripts (for each verb) and sudoing them
May 23 18:56:10 <lcuk> because i couldnt find a way of allowing command with arbritary params
May 23 19:03:17 <GAN900> Ah, classy
May 23 19:03:28 <GAN900> Irrelevant bullshit to put Gadsby down
May 23 19:04:21 <lcuk> there are a growing band of females willing to bare boobies in the name of pr1.2
May 23 19:04:29 <GAN900> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=672007#post672007
May 23 19:04:53 <GAN900> lcuk, those aren't "females".
May 23 19:05:08 <slonopotamus> luke-jr, i saw you created a 2.6.32-...-n8x0 branch. where you pulled it from?
May 23 19:05:24 <lcuk> GAN900, what are they then?
May 23 19:05:31 <pupnik_> there must be a way to stay on freenode when switching cell towers
May 23 19:05:39 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: 2.6.33.2 is based off some patches from Stskeeps
May 23 19:05:45 <Stskeeps> and termana
May 23 19:05:46 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: the last few commits are my own
May 23 19:05:49 <lcuk> pupnik_, screen or some other offsite server
May 23 19:05:54 <slonopotamus> Stskeeps, PVRMMapRegisterArea in mmap.c has two incompatible returns (missing &). i don't think that's good.
May 23 19:05:56 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: gah, there's a legal use for 4 dots instead of 3 dots
May 23 19:06:11 <slonopotamus> luke-jr, oh, so you took his changes as patches?
May 23 19:06:21 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: it's not meant for mainline merging
May 23 19:06:33 <luke-jr> right now I just want to make it work
May 23 19:06:48 <pupnik_> lcuk - not an option when your server goes down and nobody knows how to fix it
May 23 19:06:50 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: did I mention p54spi works so amazingly well, that I will be very upset if I can't use it because of GPS? :P
May 23 19:07:10 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, generally I use [...] for quote omissions, too.
May 23 19:07:16 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: i'll take a look at it, just not now
May 23 19:07:20 <luke-jr> :)
May 23 19:07:23 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, but silvermountain is kind of a jackass.
May 23 19:07:32 <luke-jr> p54spi lets me use client mode *and* kismet concurrently
May 23 19:07:34 <GAN900> lcuk, really fat men. :p
May 23 19:07:36 <luke-jr> and it support PPI
May 23 19:07:43 <timeless_mbp> GAN900: you have those in talk? i don't believe it!
May 23 19:07:45 <GAN900> pupnik_, proxy
May 23 19:07:47 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: i have priorities for a stable meego for n8x0 m0 before i start with more advanced hw support :P
May 23 19:07:53 <slonopotamus> luke-jr, i see. is it better than linux-omap ~2.6.29 before they broke everything?
May 23 19:07:58 <GAN900> timeless_mbp, I know, right?
May 23 19:08:02 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: it has p54spi :p
May 23 19:08:16 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: I don't have GPS or sound working
May 23 19:08:21 <luke-jr> no clue on Bluetooth
May 23 19:08:28 <Stskeeps> bluetooth works with bc4fw.bin
May 23 19:08:31 <Stskeeps> could scan without issue
May 23 19:08:34 <slonopotamus> that's low priority
May 23 19:08:39 <lcuk> ewwwww GAN900
May 23 19:08:42 <luke-jr> GPS is high priority for me
May 23 19:08:49 <luke-jr> my N810 becomes useful if I can do GPS + p54spi
May 23 19:08:50 <lcuk> theres some not very fat pictures in that thread
May 23 19:09:00 <slonopotamus> luke-jr, charger?
May 23 19:09:10 <pupnik_> maybe i need to use friends server in server farm thingy
May 23 19:09:12 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: charger doesn't work with diablo's kernel even, best I can tell
May 23 19:09:26 <GAN900> pupnik_, use your home machine?
May 23 19:09:35 <Stskeeps> pupnik_: up the gprs timeout?
May 23 19:09:37 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: btw, I have commits to push when your site is fixed
May 23 19:09:41 <slonopotamus> luke-jr, err... wut? how you charge then?
May 23 19:09:47 <slonopotamus> luke-jr, it's fixed
May 23 19:09:58 <slonopotamus> luke-jr, temporary failure
May 23 19:09:58 <pupnik_> heheh
May 23 19:10:00 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: I keep it on AC power constantly
May 23 19:10:02 <pupnik_> Stskeeps: i saw your comment on that but didnt find where to change timeout
May 23 19:10:08 <Stskeeps> luke-jr: .. that is charging
May 23 19:10:10 <luke-jr> if I boot Maemo, it seems to charge
May 23 19:10:19 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: if I unplug it, BME forces an immediate halt
May 23 19:10:23 <pupnik_> home machine is dead.. am traveling back
May 23 19:11:12 <GAN900> pupnik_, ah.
May 23 19:13:54 <Hibernica> If N810 screen isn't working, how likely is a reflash to help?
May 23 19:14:36 <MiXu-> Not likely I'd say. But there's not much to lose is there?
May 23 19:15:17 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: worn battery?
May 23 19:15:37 * timeless_mbp sighs
May 23 19:15:49 * timeless_mbp needs help w/ predepends
May 23 19:17:32 <timeless_mbp> ok, stupid drunken dev error :(
May 23 19:17:34 <MiXu-> Damn. The battery life of X6 makes me appreciate Symbian again. I charged it on tuesday and it still has 5/7 bars of battery left.
May 23 19:17:50 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: Maemo seems to charge it
May 23 19:17:52 <MiXu-> I've listened to some music and used sportstracker for about an hour.
May 23 19:17:59 <Hibernica> Well MiXu-, I can still do a few things as it is. (Daemons checking my mail and FB chat). If flashing fails because it requires touchscreen presses, I have less than now.
May 23 19:19:24 * timeless_mbp gets things installed!
May 23 19:23:26 * MiXu- likes Nokia Qt SDK Beta + N900 <3
May 23 19:24:11 <MiXu-> I write Qt code on my windows desktop pc and with one click I get it compiled and run in N900 <3
May 23 19:26:57 <Jaffa> MiXu-: Going to enter http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53112?
May 23 19:30:02 * timeless_mbp frowns
May 23 19:30:11 <timeless_mbp> how does pre-depends work exactly?
May 23 19:30:19 <timeless_mbp> if i do dpkg -i *.deb
May 23 19:30:32 <timeless_mbp> and one of my debs predepends on another, is it supposed to fail?
May 23 19:30:37 <timeless_mbp> and will 'apt' also fail?
May 23 19:37:51 * Arkenoi wonders if there will be newer DtG or Maemo version is just abandoned
May 23 19:39:01 <lcuk> huh timeless_mbp i would expect it not to start if it cannot gather all the dependencies for hte command line specified
May 23 19:39:24 <timeless_mbp> lcuk: the dependencies are available _on_ the commandline
May 23 19:42:55 <lcuk> mmm timeless_mbp
May 23 19:43:55 * lcuk removes a tonne of packages
May 23 19:45:24 <lcuk> timeless_mbp, yes
May 23 19:45:37 <lcuk> removed all liq* packages
May 23 19:45:40 <lcuk> dpkg -i liqtime.deb
May 23 19:45:41 <lcuk> fails
May 23 19:45:48 <lcuk> dpkg -i liqtime.deb libliqbase1.deb
May 23 19:45:50 <lcuk> is ok
May 23 20:01:25 <mintux> what is Gregale repository ?
May 23 20:01:39 <SpeedEvil> The repository of gregale?
May 23 20:01:53 <MohammadAG> old OS afaik
May 23 20:02:01 <MohammadAG> batt low
May 23 20:02:15 <mintux> ow
May 23 20:02:23 * MohammadAG wonders if he should kill bme
May 23 20:02:28 <SpeedEvil> http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_2-2-gregale/
May 23 20:02:32 <mintux> so for sdk just import diablo ?
May 23 20:02:46 <MohammadAG> what was maemo 1 called?
May 23 20:02:46 <mintux> I need c++ compiler
May 23 20:02:50 <MohammadAG> oh nvm
May 23 20:02:52 <MohammadAG> internet tablet os
May 23 20:03:10 <mintux> hmm extras is for maemo5 ?
May 23 20:03:14 <rdorsch> where can I configure in the N900 to go do not automatically a packet data connection, if a cell phone data network is available?
May 23 20:03:33 <mintux> oh I got it
May 23 20:03:39 <rdorsch> I think I enabled it sometime ago to do that automatically but I cannot find anymore where to disable
May 23 20:04:22 <SpeedEvil> rdorsch: Settings -> internet -> 'always ask'
May 23 20:05:26 <mintux> how can I change phyical keyboard map ? I just replaced two unusable character by < and >
May 23 20:05:26 <timeless_mbp> or wifi :)
May 23 20:05:49 <timeless_mbp> mintux: roughly the same way you would on any linux...
May 23 20:06:43 <rdorsch> SpeedEvil: I must be blind (I have a localized N900)....Can it be "Internet connections" or is that a separate entry?
May 23 20:06:57 <timeless_mbp> rdorsch: yes
May 23 20:07:05 <timeless_mbp> but no one pays attn to the nokia labels
May 23 20:07:07 <timeless_mbp> they're junk
May 23 20:07:09 <mintux> can I install gcc from diablo repository ?
May 23 20:07:09 <rdorsch> In internet connections I see only "automatically switch to WLAN if avalable"
May 23 20:07:12 <timeless_mbp> on mine it says 'Networking'
May 23 20:07:16 <timeless_mbp> or something
May 23 20:07:25 <timeless_mbp> rdorsch: there's a drop down
May 23 20:07:27 <rdorsch> I have it...
May 23 20:07:36 <rdorsch> many thanks
May 23 20:07:37 <timeless_mbp> which lets you pick WiFi, Any, or None
May 23 20:07:46 <RST38h> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1320258/  <== kinda expected this to be fun, but the word "Documentary" sounds fishy
May 23 20:07:47 <timeless_mbp> the exact strings aren't worth remembering
May 23 20:09:14 <lcuk> RST38h,  why are there no deities listed in the credits
May 23 20:09:35 <MohammadAG> small battery clip on the end of the cover broke off
May 23 20:09:51 <MohammadAG> cover doesn't squeek or anything, but i'm not impressed
May 23 20:09:56 <RST38h> lcuk: it is one of those History Channel documentaries where all events are reenacted
May 23 20:10:22 <RST38h> Mohammad: it does not look very good to begin with, so no wonder
May 23 20:10:48 <lcuk> MohammadAG, eep
May 23 20:10:48 <MohammadAG> RST38h, not the best build quality
May 23 20:11:01 <MohammadAG> but it's better than the N97's
May 23 20:11:02 <RST38h> more like a design problem
May 23 20:11:18 <RST38h> thin, long pin-like thing
May 23 20:11:22 <MohammadAG> more like a "someone needs to start thinking" problem
May 23 20:11:24 <lcuk> its never even come close to breaking for me :S
May 23 20:11:26 <RST38h> gotta break
May 23 20:11:51 * lcuk just shoves stylus into the fingernail slot and pops cover
May 23 20:12:01 <Arkenoi> RST38h, is it on piratebay?
May 23 20:12:02 <MohammadAG> lcuk, i swap batteries a lot
May 23 20:12:09 <RST38h> Arkenoi: what?
May 23 20:12:10 <frals> bah, my ctrl key is getting retardedly bright now the paint is almost gone :(
May 23 20:12:21 * SpeedEvil also has some paint missing.
May 23 20:12:24 <RST38h> frals: too much gaming?
May 23 20:12:28 <lcuk> frals, pupnik has worn through some of his
May 23 20:12:32 <SpeedEvil> blue here
May 23 20:12:33 <lcuk> he has sandpaper fingers
May 23 20:12:57 <SpeedEvil> I tend to hit blue with thumbnails I think
May 23 20:13:07 <frals> i dont even use ctrl that much!
May 23 20:13:08 <Arkenoi> RST38h, the movie
May 23 20:13:18 <lcuk> frals, we know you have no ctrl
May 23 20:13:25 * frals trouts lcuk
May 23 20:13:29 <RST38h> Arkenoi: tonight on TB3, at 2:30
May 23 20:13:32 * lcuk ucks
May 23 20:13:36 <lcuk> ducks even
May 23 20:13:42 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Not worth watching
May 23 20:13:56 <Arkenoi> RST38h, don't have TV receiver, i'd better download it
May 23 20:14:08 <lcuk> frals, had a strange afternoon
May 23 20:14:19 <lcuk> went out feeding ducks with tracy n jake
May 23 20:14:31 <RST38h> Arkenoi: better get Dr Who
May 23 20:14:37 <lcuk> and when we got back, found luke trapped in overturned car. had to be cut out!! http://liqbase.net/luke.birkett.car.crash.stuck.cut.out.20100523_015.jpg
May 23 20:14:50 <frals> ye lol lcuk saw on twitter
May 23 20:15:18 <lcuk> its flying around facebook atm too
May 23 20:15:22 <lcuk> lukes mates found the pic
May 23 20:15:28 <MohammadAG> lcuk, how many bottles are you down to :P
May 23 20:15:31 <lcuk> his phone hasnt stopped beepin
May 23 20:15:46 <MohammadAG> silent ftw
May 23 20:15:49 <MohammadAG> :)
May 23 20:15:55 <RST38h> "China based company" now peddles itself as "iPhone developer"
May 23 20:16:05 <RST38h> WTF is the reason for this spam?
May 23 20:16:51 <Proteous> don't know, but stop spaming us in there with it!
May 23 20:17:09 <lcuk> MohammadAG, a few less
May 23 20:17:24 <GAN900> Ah, love it, Docs comes up Japanese for me about 50% of the time.
May 23 20:17:36 <RST38h> it is trying to tell you something
May 23 20:17:37 <frals> lcuk: :D
May 23 20:19:02 <lcuk> frals, did you see the other tale about revdkathy stuck in a bush with her legs in the air
May 23 20:19:17 * lcuk was laughin hard
May 23 20:19:17 <frals> lcuk: yeah :D
May 23 20:21:39 <mintux> MohammadAG: do we have c++ compiler for maemo . I find this page and im doing that steps do you accept it ?  http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=352855&postcount=19
May 23 20:22:37 <lcuk> mintux, sure we have a c++ compiler
May 23 20:23:01 <RST38h> <sleep>
May 23 20:23:02 <lcuk> that will fit happily on your normal device too, but you will have most trouble fitting all the -dev libraries and headers etc
May 23 20:23:04 <frals> http://mms.frals.se/notify/Screenshot-20100523-221814.png
May 23 20:23:10 * frals is satisfied
May 23 20:23:15 <mintux>  lcuk:in that image ? or separate package in freemental
May 23 20:23:25 <lcuk> i dunno if its in that image
May 23 20:23:26 <MohammadAG> mintux, go to qole.org and download the bigger image
May 23 20:23:33 <lcuk> its on the sdk/tools repositories tho
May 23 20:23:42 * MohammadAG doesn't approve of lcuk's idea
May 23 20:23:49 <MohammadAG> it trouts your /
May 23 20:23:55 <lcuk> sure
May 23 20:24:13 <MohammadAG> lcuk, worked for you?
May 23 20:24:15 <lcuk> it will be optified at some point
May 23 20:24:17 * GAN900 wishes things on Talk could stay productive and civil for more than a handful of hours at a time.
May 23 20:24:25 <lcuk> i used to use c compiler all the time MohammadAG
May 23 20:24:40 <MohammadAG> lcuk, but you're special ;)
May 23 20:24:46 <lcuk> but nowadays i flash images too often to keep a stable on device sdk
May 23 20:25:09 <MohammadAG> now that i said that
May 23 20:25:13 <MohammadAG> i'm off for a bit
May 23 20:25:15 <mintux> MohammadAG:im in that site which one exactly ? I have easy debian image
May 23 20:25:17 <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
May 23 20:25:23 * SpeedEvil needs a spare day.
May 23 20:25:31 <mintux> and can run open office or ...
May 23 20:25:37 <MohammadAG> maemo-sdk 1_2 or sth
May 23 20:26:10 * MohammadAG gives SpeedEvil a spare day
May 23 20:26:23 * MohammadAG needs a spare battery cover
May 23 20:26:29 <SpeedEvil> The easy debian image is broken
May 23 20:26:31 * b-man is sooooo close to having a functional netbeans port for maemo... just need to fix the sun.awt.AWTAutoShutdown@19b46dc bug
May 23 20:26:39 <SpeedEvil> You can't install stuff in it.
May 23 20:26:49 <mintux> MohammadAG it's 44meg true ? http://qole.org/files/
May 23 20:26:49 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, you can in the chroot
May 23 20:26:50 <SpeedEvil> Well - much stuff - as it's got somehow broken dependancies
May 23 20:26:57 <MohammadAG> b-man, i'll ping you in 30
May 23 20:27:04 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: nope - try installing 'build-essentials'
May 23 20:27:04 <MohammadAG> mintux, 21MB LZMA file iirc
May 23 20:27:12 <b-man> MohammadAG: k :)
May 23 20:27:12 <MohammadAG> -s
May 23 20:27:24 <Jaffa> frals: Quote for MWKN, beyond "[I'm] satisfied"? :-)
May 23 20:27:36 <mintux> MohammadAG: 44meg is biger :-D
May 23 20:27:39 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: It's got a horribly confused set of versions, and it wants to remove libc. Which doesn't go well.
May 23 20:27:53 <MohammadAG> mintux, lzma compresses better, the 1.2 is bigger afaik
May 23 20:28:13 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, yeah i went over that with lcuk the other day
May 23 20:28:27 <MohammadAG> nothing that a fake package won't fix :P
May 23 20:28:37 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: yeah - I have no idea how to learn that though
May 23 20:29:03 <frals> Jaffa: credit to dwoulds blog about pynotify :)
May 23 20:29:09 <MohammadAG> unpack deb file, change control and changelog files, put a newer timestamp and repackage
May 23 20:29:12 <MohammadAG> nothing to it
May 23 20:29:57 <MohammadAG> anyways, brb
May 23 20:30:03 <mintux> ok
May 23 20:30:44 <frals> hmm, the misses is being very sarcastic about the links i post on twitter... most recent link got the comment "HEHE. thats v. funny." :(
May 23 20:34:01 <mintux> MohammadAG: previous was 1.1 Gig and it's 1 gig which one should I move to tablet
May 23 20:39:25 <mintux> but 1.2 is newer
May 23 20:39:56 <jaem> Hello, all
May 23 20:40:26 <jaem> I'm having a bit of trouble with the SDK right now, trying (and failing) to start the desktop in SBox/Xephyr
May 23 20:41:01 <jaem> I haven't used that setup since Diablo, so I'm wondering if I've done something wrong, or if something is borked with my SDK instance.
May 23 20:46:59 <b-man> hmm, that's funny... apparently you can only have 4 X Terminal windows open in maemo :P
May 23 20:47:46 <SpeedEvil> b-man: It's annoying.
May 23 20:47:53 <SpeedEvil> b-man: ssh + xterm
May 23 20:48:06 <b-man> yup
May 23 20:48:32 <jaem> b-man, really?  Huh... I never noticed that.
May 23 20:48:56 <jaem> Then again, most of my prolonged console use on the N900 is in a screen session anyway.
May 23 20:49:10 <b-man> i believe that the previous maemo versions allowed you to have more than 4 open...
May 23 20:49:43 <b-man> seems like a silly restriction :P
May 23 20:49:56 <jaem> Hmm... I wonder what the reason is?  I can't see the console (darn!  I keep wanting to spell that with a 'k') using much in the way of resources, and an artificial cap seems dumb
May 23 20:50:43 <jaem> While waiting for a new power brick for my laptop, I'm using an OLPC XO to remote a KDE session for work.  It was really not designed for this... :P
May 23 20:50:57 <b-man> hehe
May 23 20:51:31 <SpeedEvil> it's a twiddleable settable - it saves a little RAM
May 23 20:51:32 <b-man> the OpenPandora that was just released seems interesting :)
May 23 20:51:35 <SpeedEvil> a few bytes
May 23 20:52:01 <jaem> SpeedEvil, where are the twiddlies, then?
May 23 20:52:05 <jaem> er... settings
May 23 20:52:15 <SpeedEvil> it's a kernel time config
May 23 20:52:17 <SpeedEvil> IIRC
May 23 20:52:22 <jaem> b-man, What? It was released?  Madness!
May 23 20:52:33 <b-man> lol
May 23 20:52:37 <jaem> SpeedEvil, oh, it's a limit on the amount of terminals, not a limit in XTerm itself?
May 23 20:52:41 <jaem> That makes more sense.
May 23 20:52:45 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 23 20:53:32 <b-man> jaem: http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=2&Itemid=2&lang=en :)
May 23 20:53:38 <jaem> b-man, thanks.
May 23 20:54:38 <SpeedEvil> hmm
May 23 20:54:46 <SpeedEvil> Or maybe it's a udev thingy
May 23 20:55:43 <SpeedEvil> I wonder if /dev/pts only having 0 and 1 there
May 23 20:57:08 <mintux> I did these steps http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=352855&postcount=19 but no compiler or something like that what should I do now ? I want just g++ 1.cpp
May 23 20:57:31 <jaem> SpeedEvil, if you figure it out, would you mind PM'ing me?  I have to head out for a while.
May 23 20:58:42 <MohammadAG> mintux, 1.2
May 23 20:59:06 <SpeedEvil> jaem: I'm unlikely to bother
May 23 20:59:25 <MohammadAG> heh
May 23 21:00:46 <MohammadAG> b-man, /query'd
May 23 21:00:57 <hajmola> hey, when I VNC into my desktop, I can click and type, but the screen doesn't get updated
May 23 21:09:13 <hajmola> how does one quit vncviewer when in fullscreen without the toolbar??
May 23 21:09:25 <MohammadAG> ctrl backspace
May 23 21:09:59 <hajmola> thanks
May 23 21:12:57 <DocScrutinizer> b-man: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=106295#post106295
May 23 21:13:23 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: ^^^
May 23 21:13:51 <SpeedEvil> neat
May 23 21:15:03 <b-man> nice
May 23 21:30:31 <Nils^> hey. I installed the maemo sdk and its running including xephyr. I want to develop for the n900. I'm logged in in scratchbox right now and used sb-menu to switch the target to arm. I just installed every package which was named there to be sure to have all. The only thing I did not was to set up a rootstrap. Is this a problem?
May 23 21:32:04 <Nils^> I'm starting with "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -f" I hope this can be done just like that... at least its downlading
May 23 21:34:53 <mikki-kun> does anybody know whether the n900's media player will have the feature to let it show the media how it is in the folders?
May 23 21:35:19 <mikki-kun> sorting by id-tags can sometimes be a lil annoying
May 23 21:35:48 * Jaffa shuts down. G'night
May 23 21:41:11 <timeless_mbp> mikki-kun: the file manager can show files
May 23 21:48:27 <mikki-kun> timeless_mbp: well, that i figured out myself... but i am used having a very long music list, but havng that sorted regarding my folder-structure...
May 23 21:48:40 <mikki-kun> i can't choose that option on the n900
May 23 21:49:26 <SpeedEvil> What is an album? Why doesn't the tracker thingy pick up a directory with some mp3s in as an album
May 23 21:49:38 <mikki-kun> either artists (cuts off the other artists), or by albums (which makes it even narrower) or by trackname (which get's really annoying searching for a specific song from an artist which would otherwise be after that in the album)
May 23 21:50:43 <mikki-kun> or by genre (yeah, kind of lame as nowadays you can't always tell what kind of music it is - even the artists argue sometimes what music they actually create)
May 23 21:51:49 <mikki-kun> i have my music in the strcuture of "~/music/artist/album/$SONG" and that is what i'd like to have in a long list on the n900
May 23 21:52:38 <MohammadAG> ls
May 23 21:52:58 <mikki-kun> mehhh, i know that already >.< but the media player doesn't show it that way
May 23 21:53:29 <mikki-kun> i am not very happy with manually editing my 15GB music by hand to the playlist so that it shows up the way i want...
May 23 21:53:31 <SpeedEvil> The file manager is even somewhat saner.
May 23 21:53:48 <wazd> http://code.google.com/webfonts
May 23 21:54:31 <mikki-kun> you know, sometimes i wanna just switch back and forth between artists
May 23 21:55:01 <mikki-kun> but every time clicking myself through the id-tags just annoys
May 23 21:56:45 <mikki-kun> on my mpd i have my music sorted my artist's name (which is in alphabetical structure - that does the n900 as well) and then every artist has their albums and then lastly the songs... that is also the n900's way of doing it, but now comes the big difference... i can't seem to have multiple artists sorted that way....
May 23 21:57:19 <PhonicUK> hey all
May 23 21:57:40 <mikki-kun> i have artists a with song z and y in album f which i like... then i say "hm, i'd like now artist b with song x from album e... and after that i want to listen to artist d with song w from album g...
May 23 21:57:45 <mikki-kun> that makes a lot of clicks...
May 23 21:57:55 <lcuk> mikki-kun, if you plug your music into desktop linux, what do you use to play it (or other device)
May 23 21:58:08 <mikki-kun> lcuk: mpd
May 23 21:58:12 <mikki-kun> with ncmpcpp
May 23 21:58:16 <Dima202>  
May 23 21:58:28 <lcuk> specifying TLAs to me doesnt help
May 23 21:58:46 <mikki-kun> TLA?
May 23 21:58:58 <lcuk> mpd?
May 23 21:59:05 <mikki-kun> Music Player Daemon
May 23 21:59:19 <lcuk> (three letter acronym
May 23 21:59:28 <merlin1991> isn't it abbrevation?
May 23 21:59:31 <lcuk> ok, so you say you use ncmpcpp
May 23 21:59:36 <lcuk> can it be built for maemo?
May 23 22:00:02 <mikki-kun> lcuk: am not sure, but could eat battery very much...
May 23 22:00:04 <lcuk> A three-letter acronym, three-letter abbreviation, or TLA is an acronym, alphabetism or initialism or an abbreviation, consisting of three letters. These are usually the initial letters of the words of the phrase abbreviated, and are written in capital letters (upper case): three-letter abbreviations such as "etc." or "Mrs." would not be described as three-letter acronyms.
May 23 22:00:09 <mikki-kun> am not sure how it get it's music running
May 23 22:00:23 <mikki-kun> ffmpeg it uses
May 23 22:00:24 * lcuk nods
May 23 22:00:29 <mikki-kun> therefore mplayer-codecs
May 23 22:00:36 <mikki-kun> no gstreamer...
May 23 22:00:42 <lcuk> ok but you arent the first to request alternative music play order and dynamics
May 23 22:00:50 <lcuk> so im starting to take note
May 23 22:01:12 <lcuk> are the artists and albums in folders
May 23 22:01:13 <johnsq> mikki-kun: mpd uses alsa direct.
May 23 22:01:36 <mikki-kun> johnsq: uhm, (from wikipedia) Plays Ogg Vorbis, FLAC, WavPack, MP2, MP3, MP4/AAC, MOD, Musepack, wave  files and any other files supported by FFmpeg.
May 23 22:01:41 <mikki-kun> it can have multiple outputs
May 23 22:02:08 <mikki-kun> it has multiple outputs
May 23 22:03:19 <johnsq> mikki-kun: i use it with alsa output on my n810
May 23 22:03:34 <mikki-kun> lcuk: the way i want my media in a list is easily seen by "ls -lR $MUSIC_MAIN_DIR"
May 23 22:04:10 <mikki-kun> johnsq: you could also have it running on a local box and stream the music via icecast to the n810 if it can decode the stream ;)
May 23 22:05:02 <lcuk> mikki-kun, with all the odd formatted spaces etc :p
May 23 22:05:31 <mikki-kun> i bet you can imagine what i actually mean ;)
May 23 22:05:37 <lcuk> :D heh yeah
May 23 22:05:50 <PhonicUK> i need a good n900 game, any suggestions?
May 23 22:05:55 <lcuk> theres lots of people purposfully requesting media by folder rather than media by metadata
May 23 22:06:08 <PhonicUK> or a good PSX emulator
May 23 22:06:24 <lcuk> PhonicUK, theres some guys playing a really hard level
May 23 22:06:31 <lcuk> i think its like a 20 man raid or something
May 23 22:06:42 <PhonicUK> ?
May 23 22:06:52 <lcuk> trying to get usb host mode working :D
May 23 22:06:57 <PhonicUK> lol
May 23 22:07:24 <lcuk> i want to lookat/play the rollercoaster game
May 23 22:07:36 <PhonicUK> yah that looks cool
May 23 22:08:00 <PhonicUK> i wanna make some games if i can get a working toolchain set up
May 23 22:08:03 <mikki-kun> lcuk: what are they trying to do? Ö.ö
May 23 22:08:09 <lcuk> mikki-kun, ?
May 23 22:08:14 <mikki-kun> 20 man raid?
May 23 22:08:25 <lcuk> PhonicUK, pygame seems to work nicely on device
May 23 22:08:44 <lcuk> i keep meaning to run over this lot and see what will be good
May 23 22:08:44 <lcuk> http://www.pygame.org/pcr/repository.php
May 23 22:08:51 <Kegetys> does it do opengl (easily)?
May 23 22:08:52 <mikki-kun> what is that? Ö.ö i am thinking about RAID-setups atm ^^
May 23 22:08:52 <johnsq> PhonicUK: i saw people ported stratagus to maemo
May 23 22:09:04 <PhonicUK> i want to use C/C++ and SDL
May 23 22:09:22 <lcuk> lol mikki-kun im putting hardcore collaborative kernel development into a WoW context
May 23 22:09:26 <PhonicUK> with box2d and opengl es :)
May 23 22:09:27 <lcuk> PhonicUK, then do so
May 23 22:09:29 <lcuk> nothing stops you
May 23 22:09:49 <PhonicUK> except getting myself a proper toolchain lol
May 23 22:09:57 <PhonicUK> the nokia one was bollocks
May 23 22:10:00 <lcuk> do you have windows?
May 23 22:10:08 <lcuk> or linux desktop
May 23 22:10:17 <PhonicUK> dual boot win 7 and gentoo
May 23 22:10:31 <PhonicUK> 64 bit for both
May 23 22:10:58 <lcuk> ahh, scratchbox has gotten nice tooling based on ubuntu32 - as you discovered outside of that you need knowledge
May 23 22:11:02 <lcuk> could try the qt sdk
May 23 22:11:12 <PhonicUK> qt creator is cool, but the latest version requires pr 1.2
May 23 22:11:22 <PhonicUK> so its useless atm
May 23 22:11:38 <lcuk> it requires the later libraries which arent they available?
May 23 22:11:44 <lcuk> im sure i saw someone messing
May 23 22:11:49 <PhonicUK> yup
May 23 22:11:55 <lcuk> but you think your software will be ready before pr1.2
May 23 22:11:55 <lcuk> :P
May 23 22:12:09 <lcuk> ie you could go through a bit of mucking to get the qt libraries
May 23 22:12:12 <mikki-kun> whoah, ncmpcpp had a hidden feature i didn't know about Ö.ö one of the most powerful tag-editors i've ever had until now :o
May 23 22:12:13 <lcuk> and play test
May 23 22:12:37 <PhonicUK> the simulator doesn't support gles/sdl/etc
May 23 22:12:51 <PhonicUK> its only useful for pure QT apps
May 23 22:13:40 * lcuk wonders how people coped in times gone by
May 23 22:13:49 <lcuk> how on earth did we ever manage to develop anything
May 23 22:14:06 <PhonicUK> with lots of hacks
May 23 22:14:19 <PhonicUK> and unreproducable enviroments
May 23 22:14:20 <johnsq> lcuk: just got vi and started writting and not playing with toolkits.
May 23 22:14:34 <lcuk> +1 johnsq and thats almost what i did
May 23 22:14:51 <PhonicUK> id do that if i could get a toolchain just to work
May 23 22:14:54 <Kegetys> last I checked (was a while ago) documentation for using gles was a mess and largely outdated
May 23 22:15:04 <lcuk> tho i was using windows + winscp + komodo
May 23 22:15:18 <PhonicUK> its just gles 2.0, pleanty of docs for that
May 23 22:15:27 <johnsq> in the time they wrote design docs and discussed how to write it, my software was three times rewritten.
May 23 22:15:35 <george__> Do any of u no any iPhone web sites to strem films off 3g
May 23 22:15:44 <crashanddie> wow, the arab national bank, based in London UK, with an email address on yahoo in italy wants to give me money
May 23 22:15:55 <PhonicUK> roffle
May 23 22:15:58 <crashanddie> george__: no, ask again and be banned
May 23 22:16:22 <george__> Lol
May 23 22:16:39 <lcuk> whats an iphone website? i thought you bought those from app store
May 23 22:16:58 <PhonicUK> nah jobs rejects all good apps
May 23 22:16:58 <crashanddie> lcuk: he means a website for illegal streaming for mobile devices
May 23 22:17:04 <george__> No ya can get web app
May 23 22:17:10 <lcuk> he said films on 3g
May 23 22:17:15 <lcuk> why doesnt he just goto youtube
May 23 22:17:15 <PhonicUK> only apps that play fart sounds are approved
May 23 22:17:22 <lcuk> that does films over 3g
May 23 22:17:33 <PhonicUK> or hulu
May 23 22:17:36 <lcuk> george__, youtube mate
May 23 22:17:46 * lcuk forgot he was still here
May 23 22:17:50 <crashanddie> george__: I also hear dailymotion is da bomb
May 23 22:18:11 <crashanddie> george__: and bbc.co.uk/iplayer
May 23 22:18:16 <crashanddie> oh no, wait, that's flash
May 23 22:18:20 <lcuk> does iplayer work on iphone?
May 23 22:18:23 <lcuk> it works well on n900
May 23 22:18:24 <lcuk> :D
May 23 22:18:25 <PhonicUK> and lemonparty too, good streaming film site
May 23 22:18:32 <crashanddie> PhonicUK: +!
May 23 22:18:33 <crashanddie> 1
May 23 22:19:06 <lcuk> PhonicUK, we do have minors around with delicate eyes
May 23 22:19:09 <opdf2> ~frals
May 23 22:19:32 <SpeedEvil> I suspect the fraction of 12yo's that have not seen goatse/lemonparty/... is tiny.
May 23 22:19:34 <mikki-kun> whoah, my bluetooth is freaking insanely strong from my n900 Ö.ö goes through two walls and at least 4 meters
May 23 22:19:45 <PhonicUK> 0:)
May 23 22:19:48 <crashanddie> you've got walls that are 2 meters?
May 23 22:19:54 <crashanddie> damn, talk about living in a bunker
May 23 22:20:13 <SpeedEvil> I have walls 1m thick in places.
May 23 22:20:15 <mikki-kun> crashanddie: did i ever mention the walls being two meters thick?
May 23 22:20:31 <mikki-kun> just said two walls and at least 4 meters away from the device
May 23 22:20:33 <SpeedEvil> I have lost signal 8m from a wifi router.
May 23 22:20:44 <mikki-kun> Ö.ö
May 23 22:20:57 <mikki-kun> SpeedEvil: you're preparing for WW3?
May 23 22:21:05 <crashanddie> mikki-kun: it's called humour, you should buy some at wallmart :)
May 23 22:21:33 <mikki-kun> crashanddie: no wallmarts where i am :(
May 23 22:22:22 <mikki-kun> btw i know of a guy who looses his wifi in his house at around 10 meters away from the router just cause his walls are too thick...
May 23 22:23:42 <crashanddie> loses
May 23 22:23:52 <mikki-kun> mehhh, sorry
May 23 22:24:04 <mikki-kun> i always write that wrong lately >.<
May 23 22:24:26 <mikki-kun> but now i gotta go to bed...
May 23 22:25:17 <mikki-kun> see you around later...
May 23 22:25:34 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun|sleep: I live in a ~1700s house.
May 23 22:25:43 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun|sleep: Originally a flax-weavers cottage.
May 23 22:39:49 <Macer> flax-weavers?
May 23 22:39:52 <Macer> :)
May 23 22:39:58 <crashanddie> anna frank
May 23 22:40:31 <crashanddie> locking doors and windows, hiding behind the chest drawer, all that.
May 23 22:41:01 <Macer> haha
May 23 22:41:21 <Macer> do they still have the weaving spool thing?
May 23 22:41:25 <Macer> that would be awesome to have
May 23 22:41:32 <Macer> never know when you need to get down and weave flax :)
May 23 22:41:35 <crashanddie> yes, but now they use their own hair to make whool
May 23 22:41:55 <crashanddie> that's why SpeedEvil's hair is so short
May 23 22:42:32 <SpeedEvil> Actually not.
May 23 22:42:46 <crashanddie> http://www.myspace.com/speedevilclothing
May 23 22:42:49 <crashanddie> here's his picture
May 23 22:43:16 <SpeedEvil> It's really not.
May 23 22:43:18 <crashanddie> he looked better in the younger days.
May 23 22:44:12 <SpeedEvil> http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=24189 is closer
May 23 22:44:24 <SpeedEvil> Though I now have a blue t-shirt on.
May 23 22:44:24 <crashanddie> meh
May 23 22:44:34 <crashanddie> so you've stopped supporting your parents?
May 23 22:44:39 <crashanddie> How will they make money now?
May 23 22:52:41 <SpeedEvil> Both have passed on, unfortunately.
May 23 22:54:13 <trem> nite all, sweet dreams
May 23 23:29:34 <opdf2> anyone know how to add a hidden directory to tracker cfg?
May 23 23:30:50 <SpeedEvil> look at ~/.config/tracker/tracker.conf - IIRC
May 23 23:31:00 <SpeedEvil> add to 'watched roots' maybe
May 23 23:31:30 <opdf2> ty
May 23 23:44:53 <Nach0z> uh, quick question... what is maemo?
May 23 23:44:59 <bburhans> Nach0z: /topic
May 23 23:45:13 <Nach0z> ....?
May 23 23:45:16 <Nach0z> its  not showing
May 23 23:45:26 <Nach0z> oh wait, font's wrong color... whoops
May 23 23:45:26 <Nach0z> nvm
May 23 23:45:33 <Turks> any maemo power users here?
May 23 23:45:48 <Nach0z> ... i dunno what a kernel is so ill be goin now :P
May 24 00:24:56 <SpeedEvil> random - anyone happen to know of a fork of get_iplayer?
May 24 00:27:20 <midoubleko> is the nokia 770 able to run the latest versions of maemo?
May 24 00:31:16 <GAN900> No
May 24 00:31:49 <midoubleko> thought so
May 24 00:32:19 <GAN900> No GPU
May 24 00:32:44 <midoubleko> I was a late early adopter... it's been obsolete since I got it. lots of fun though
May 24 00:34:11 <SpeedEvil> You could VNC to a n900 running it I suppose :)
May 24 00:34:24 <midoubleko> lol
May 24 00:44:11 <jacekowski> does n900 support upnp?
May 24 00:49:54 <GAN900> Yes
May 24 01:15:23 <Termana> good morning
May 24 01:31:07 <njsf_> Termana: morning
May 24 01:42:27 * DocScrutinizer sighs
May 24 02:04:52 <midoubleko> christ, it is morning and I'm still up...
May 24 02:10:28 <SpeedEvil> ""
May 24 02:22:51 <SpeedEvil> Is it permissable to distribute software that - for example - screws with the statusbar widgets - say to replace the GPS indicator
May 24 02:23:34 <SpeedEvil> I mean to extras
May 24 02:32:24 <SpeedEvil> Can i start two fbreaders at once?
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