**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 25 02:59:57 2010 May 25 03:02:00 microlith: what happened? May 25 03:02:02 :) May 25 03:02:26 i didn't have any problems saving to the mydocs dir from openoffice then uploading it somewhere else May 25 03:04:44 well May 25 03:05:06 more like a mass copy (1.5GB) using PCFileMan slammed the CPU and took forever to ge 30% May 25 03:05:22 whereas the maemo file manager did it in a minute or so May 25 03:16:33 Usually it ends up saturating the emmc with /opt, $HOME and swap activity when you try to do your copy May 25 03:16:45 and emmc hates that and you get something like 300kbyte/s May 25 03:50:40 where did all the n900 ppl go? May 25 03:56:00 mee go May 25 03:56:09 just kidding May 25 03:58:38 * microlith wishes he had installed easy debian ages ago May 25 04:06:37 njsf_: is meego a bad word in here? May 25 04:08:13 :( May 25 04:08:21 my IME is killng my dictionary May 25 04:09:35 IME? May 25 04:09:48 input method editor May 25 04:13:01 undrwater: not a bad word, just a roadblock consuming resources. maybe good for future, but stopping current users from getting needed updates from nokia (my opinion) May 25 04:23:21 microlith: got it! :) like anthy May 25 04:23:42 njsf_: just reading that now... May 25 04:24:39 i hope there are some nice announcements in the next couple of months...i'm in the market for 3g now....but unhappy with the choices May 25 04:25:29 undrwater: exactly, I've got it going (when ebview doesn't crash) but I'm not getting any conversion :/ May 25 04:25:37 and it won't insert what it does type May 25 04:26:55 speaking of anthy, does anyone know if there's a mscim-anthy? May 25 04:27:18 kimitake has been working on some anthy and mscim packages May 25 04:27:29 ah, cool May 25 04:27:33 it works through a virtual keyboard, but I wasn't able to make it work May 25 04:27:39 i was wondering why there's only scim-anthy. May 25 04:29:29 does scim work differently from mscim on the n900? May 25 04:29:36 no idea May 25 04:29:42 kimitake would know more, I think May 25 04:29:48 ok, thanks. May 25 04:59:03 is gst-dsp compatible with gst-plugins-dsp? May 25 05:07:25 Hey all I'm here to find a help in development of an aplet May 25 05:08:05 Anyone arround with enough notions abt applets? May 25 05:51:39 does maemo seriously not contain less? :( May 25 05:55:53 what does PR stand for? May 25 05:55:58 product release? May 25 05:55:58 public release? May 25 05:55:59 :P May 25 05:56:01 ah May 25 05:56:03 :p May 25 05:56:21 or product release May 25 05:56:52 hmm... May 25 05:57:24 if PR1.2 is going to actually be released on wednesday, i need to clean up my root.. May 25 05:58:50 well, it is geek pride day today May 25 06:08:14 /top Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ PR1.2 Should be out today May 25 06:08:43 next up is lindsay lohan quitting alcohol May 25 06:08:46 .. oh wait May 25 06:09:09 * odin_ rubs hands May 25 06:09:12 haaa:D May 25 06:09:19 topic Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ PR1.2 Should be out today May 25 06:09:21 grr May 25 06:09:25 grr May 25 06:09:35 I'm not an op apparently :P May 25 06:09:55 anyway @PeterMeego: #PR1.2 FOR #N900 INCOMING. World's first Skype Video Call on the Go! OTA updates now started in UK. http://conversations.nokia.com/ May 25 06:11:24 hmm May 25 06:11:36 an official problems with upgrading thread will be needed... May 25 06:11:36 but PR1.2 should have been released tomorrow? May 25 06:11:47 FIQ, haa! May 25 06:11:56 hm May 25 06:12:07 nice that PR1.2 is incoming anyway May 25 06:12:09 FIQ, you heard this from where? May 25 06:12:26 planet maemo May 25 06:12:32 some sources May 25 06:12:47 remember to breath while waiting May 25 06:12:57 rootfs 227.9M 209.2M 14.5M 93% / May 25 06:13:01 >.> May 25 06:13:05 http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ May 25 06:13:13 * FIQ must get some cleanup done May 25 06:14:28 Stskeeps: Thanks for sharing. :) May 25 06:15:40 so no meego to n900, at least they managed to announce some bad news along with pr1.2 May 25 06:15:45 aw May 25 06:15:55 * FIQ doesn't live in UK May 25 06:15:55 Trewas, was it really news? May 25 06:16:31 I thought that was clear for some time ago that there won't be officially supported meego version :) May 25 06:16:50 harmattan's called meego too May 25 06:16:52 :P May 25 06:17:18 maybe I haven't been following closely enough, but I thought the official stance has been "we don't know yet" until now May 25 06:17:48 "Officially we don't know yet, but it is highly unlikely" was stated at some point May 25 06:19:47 but well, i think everyone who really want's to have it.. can do so with relatively stable community version May 25 06:21:33 but let's see how people react on pr1.2.. is it that world saving release that many people have been waiting for ;) May 25 06:24:22 Morning! May 25 06:24:27 morning tekojo May 25 06:26:04 morning! May 25 06:33:31 Towelday is a good day to release software :) May 25 06:34:26 aw for fuck's sake! the images are out for everyone apparently, but I don't have my usb cable. May 25 06:34:34 Have mine here right in my backpack :) May 25 06:34:35 grr argh! May 25 06:34:56 * mece impersonates the Mutant Enemy logo May 25 06:35:26 both towel and cable May 25 06:35:31 wait, my boss has an N900 May 25 06:35:31 so, it's not an OTA update? May 25 06:35:39 well it is, but not yet apparently May 25 06:35:40 woot woot May 25 06:35:40 http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ May 25 06:35:41 see, anyone with a towel is well equipped :) May 25 06:35:43 it's official May 25 06:35:55 Wanha May 25 06:35:59 ;) May 25 06:37:31 will the video calling work over tcp/ip also May 25 06:38:32 pupnik, only afact May 25 06:39:08 afact? May 25 06:39:15 as far as I can tell. May 25 06:39:33 yay! A friend to the rescue. He bringeth usb cable! May 25 06:50:28 * noobmonk3y prods lcuk May 25 06:50:57 * noobmonk3y wonders if the title of this room will change? :P May 25 06:53:29 * noobmonk3y blinks May 25 06:54:02 flashing May 25 06:54:09 wroooom May 25 06:54:13 damn that's fast. May 25 06:55:43 mece: showoff... I couldn't get my N900 to even start flashing lol :P May 25 06:55:48 haa May 25 06:55:53 http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing May 25 06:55:59 it's booting.. May 25 06:56:33 Yeah, I had the useful help of people here and that homepage and still no dice, somehow my computer refused to react on the flash mode or something May 25 06:57:00 so May 25 06:57:03 topic should be change May 25 06:57:04 d May 25 06:57:19 I tried. Turns out I'm not an op May 25 06:57:24 \:D/ May 25 06:57:37 uuh the hands are back.. May 25 06:57:38 * LiraNuna kicks Stskeeps to work faster - FASTER May 25 06:57:40 Stskeeps can you change topic? May 25 06:57:51 * LiraNuna ducks May 25 06:58:29 \:D/ May 25 06:59:07 lol May 25 06:59:16 flashed, but forgot to do the new emmc meh May 25 06:59:25 oh it was released now? Cool... and I wont be able to use it until I get my phone usable overall lol :P May 25 06:59:34 thanks Stskeeps :D May 25 06:59:57 lejonet, whats up with yours? May 25 07:00:01 so, is this a flash-image only, or does this get to OTA eventually? May 25 07:00:17 wolfie ota uk today May 25 07:00:19 it OTA's in increments, ie, it takes some regiions first May 25 07:00:27 and ditto above May 25 07:00:38 okay, just making sure May 25 07:00:39 but the rest can flash now :P May 25 07:00:47 just did' it works :) May 25 07:00:58 * noobmonk3y mis-read Stskeeps - thought he said religions ;) lol May 25 07:01:13 I think I'll leave out the application list and install them manually.. May 25 07:01:19 Atheists will get screwed with no update then? May 25 07:01:20 mece, same here :P May 25 07:01:23 I found PR1.2 image at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php :) May 25 07:01:34 kimitake, and? :D :D May 25 07:01:40 Wanha :P May 25 07:02:16 so.. when does PR1.3 is being released? *ducks* May 25 07:02:28 any day now May 25 07:02:28 it's november already? May 25 07:02:33 capacitive screens: good bye clean, precise fingernail taps. hello smudged screen and missed links May 25 07:02:34 LiraNuna, pr1.3 will breed ducks all on it's own i hear ;) May 25 07:02:41 leet May 25 07:03:45 pupnik: hello ui designers needing to think about the click area of buttons/links May 25 07:04:04 vesa_, what do you mean? May 25 07:04:17 look at the rss application for example on the n900 May 25 07:04:18 noobmonk3y: I have no clue really, when I got it to boot into flash mode the flasher just said "Suitable device not found, waiting" all of a sudden and the N900 goes into an bootloop, I am guessing that is standard procedure May 25 07:04:35 it's usable with a fingernail if your hand is stable and you really really concentrate May 25 07:04:40 oooooooo May 25 07:04:41 random! May 25 07:04:50 but it would be so easy to make usable with your finger May 25 07:05:11 vesa_, never had any trouble hitting those buttons May 25 07:05:12 scrollbars. that are 3mm wide. really helpful =P May 25 07:05:27 vesa_, they are not scrollbars. May 25 07:05:31 never accidentally resized the left area instead of scrolling? =) May 25 07:05:41 vesa_, they are indicators of where you are in the scrollable area. May 25 07:06:00 vesa_, or do you mean gtk scrollbars? May 25 07:06:04 umm? how do you scroll the left area if not with the scrollbar May 25 07:06:10 in the rss application for example May 25 07:07:22 vesa_, by dragging your finger on the stuff that is there. May 25 07:07:44 you mean 'kinetic' style? May 25 07:07:48 * noobmonk3y 's fat fingers work fine :P May 25 07:07:49 they don't move May 25 07:08:01 ooo has 1.2 fixed kinetic scrolling :| May 25 07:08:03 grab a feed, pull down, nothing. May 25 07:08:27 PR1.2 finally out then? :) May 25 07:08:28 * noobmonk3y feeds lcuk bacon......... May 25 07:08:28 so, uk a day ahead of the rest of us this time around eh May 25 07:08:31 MiXu-, yup May 25 07:08:40 frals, available for all if u flash May 25 07:08:43 mornin :D May 25 07:08:43 frals, just the ota. May 25 07:08:51 flashing suuuuucks May 25 07:08:53 :p May 25 07:08:56 * noobmonk3y just flashed :( May 25 07:09:01 * noobmonk3y sulks May 25 07:09:03 i rather not have to set it all up again May 25 07:09:21 noobmonk3y, why are you sulking? May 25 07:09:24 * noobmonk3y thinks it will gimme something to to today... (cough.... erm, shite meeting in 30 mins) May 25 07:09:34 * noobmonk3y can sulk if he wants too, surely? May 25 07:09:35 frals, well the backup/restore works very well May 25 07:09:42 * noobmonk3y asks permission to sulk May 25 07:09:46 well it clears /opt on reflash May 25 07:09:56 and im using that as my devfolder May 25 07:10:01 noobmonk3y, you can just ota that fcker, since you're in uk May 25 07:10:02 frals, lol! May 25 07:10:03 and i cba to back it up manually and redo it May 25 07:10:06 morning May 25 07:10:10 mece, global firmware May 25 07:10:19 noobmonk3y, doh May 25 07:10:26 actually global leaky firmware ;) May 25 07:10:40 anyway, restore is doing its thang :D May 25 07:10:43 well, such is life for the leaky installer May 25 07:10:47 hehehe May 25 07:10:53 have to admit, worked fine until last night May 25 07:10:54 karma I suppose :P May 25 07:10:59 it randomly decided to play music! May 25 07:11:19 * noobmonk3y kicks MohammadAG in the balls May 25 07:11:20 noobmonk3y, the media player widget playing music after call bug? May 25 07:11:25 LOL May 25 07:11:29 mece, yup May 25 07:11:33 umm, is facebook lying or is 1.2 out? May 25 07:11:41 MohammadAG: topic? :p May 25 07:11:41 first time i ever had a phone call over an hour - musta been that May 25 07:11:41 prolly former May 25 07:11:45 MohammadAG, truth for once :P May 25 07:11:50 * noobmonk3y has flashed May 25 07:11:56 What images do I need to flash in order to wipe everything out? I mean both MyDocs and rootfs. May 25 07:11:57 it was canceled? May 25 07:11:59 :) May 25 07:12:27 joppu: FIASCO bin and eMMC bin if I have understod it correctly :P May 25 07:12:42 Thanks! May 25 07:12:43 joppu vanilla - RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin May 25 07:12:43 let's try to ssu from my not so leaky 1.2 May 25 07:12:46 joppu, eMMC, FIASCO then firmware May 25 07:12:50 (Well that was the generic firmware) May 25 07:12:52 this'll be a ***** May 25 07:12:57 oh and wb noobmonk3y May 25 07:12:58 righty May 25 07:13:03 * noobmonk3y waves! May 25 07:13:05 ~pr1.2 May 25 07:13:06 i guess pr1.2 is not here yet. Stop asking. Read the topic Just stop asking. Read the topic. AND STOP ASKING. If you ask then release moves by another week, so do not ask. May 25 07:13:11 lies May 25 07:13:13 infobot: no, pr1.2 is here May 25 07:13:15 Stskeeps: okay May 25 07:13:15 * noobmonk3y lols May 25 07:13:21 ~pr1.2 May 25 07:13:21 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 May 25 07:13:22 [pr1.2] here May 25 07:13:24 changelog May 25 07:13:26 lol May 25 07:13:31 lol!!!! May 25 07:13:59 Infobot: PR1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... May 25 07:13:59 noobmonk3y: okay May 25 07:14:19 anyone managed to successfully register 3rd party url handler on 1.2 (bug 6263) May 25 07:14:20 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6263 libhildonmime: 3rd party applications cannot be registered as url handlers May 25 07:14:29 ~PR1.3 May 25 07:14:30 somebody said pr1.3 was a ban'able subject now..... May 25 07:14:34 wohooooooooo May 25 07:14:37 LOL May 25 07:14:49 where's the 1.3 thread? May 25 07:14:53 * noobmonk3y really should go get ready for work May 25 07:14:59 MohammadAG, its already on the forums :( May 25 07:15:07 1.4? May 25 07:15:07 mikki-kun: you here too lol? :P May 25 07:15:30 no one has posted about 1.2.1 :P May 25 07:15:30 * MohammadAG turns on TV May 25 07:15:42 * MohammadAG sees world hunger and cancer still exist May 25 07:15:44 lejonet: yeah, i should be... ^^ May 25 07:15:48 * MohammadAG files a bug report May 25 07:15:57 mikki-kun: haha :P May 25 07:16:05 they couldn't deliver what was promised! May 25 07:16:25 MohammadAG: You know what I realized, I could be using the wrong FIASCO bin or something, mine is labelled from sometime 2009 May 25 07:16:35 lejonet: did i miss something? May 25 07:16:38 Hi all ! May 25 07:16:43 mikki-kun: No idea :P May 25 07:16:54 cheers Khertan May 25 07:17:09 too bad Dio had to die for us to get PR1.2... May 25 07:17:10 no idea May 25 07:17:15 april's joke? May 25 07:17:21 fools* May 25 07:17:22 noobmonk3y: does fmms autoconfig itself like it should in pr1.2? ;D May 25 07:17:38 is pr 1.2 out or why is pr 1.3 now a banable subject? May 25 07:17:40 frals, no, it trouts you in the face May 25 07:17:45 * frals slaps MohammadAG around a bit with a large trout May 25 07:17:46 * Khertan is slowly backing is n900 data ... 28Gb so slow with usb ! May 25 07:17:52 ~pr1.3 May 25 07:17:53 pr1.3 is probably a ban'able subject now..... May 25 07:18:08 mikki-kun: Yes, 1.2 is out :P May 25 07:18:10 * MohammadAG doesn't have the SSU package, you know what that means May 25 07:18:14 ohhh Ö.ö May 25 07:18:17 right, apt-get upgrade May 25 07:18:18 ~pr1.2 May 25 07:18:18 lol? :o May 25 07:18:19 hmm... pr1.2 is here May 25 07:18:24 \o/ May 25 07:18:26 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php May 25 07:18:30 yep May 25 07:18:32 that's why i slept so good :D May 25 07:18:36 where's the FIASCO image? sorry for asking stupid stuff :/ May 25 07:18:45 there is a new RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin May 25 07:18:48 where Khertan said May 25 07:18:51 somewhere in that page May 25 07:19:00 I still wonder why it is called an FIASCO img tho :P May 25 07:19:05 does this mean that there resize the rootfs space ? May 25 07:19:16 fiasco ... in french ... a fail :) May 25 07:19:25 found that funny :) May 25 07:19:29 so first the eMMC image is the fiasco one? May 25 07:19:38 umm May 25 07:19:46 wee I can speel May 25 07:19:48 yay! Qlister installs and works right away. time to promote to extras May 25 07:19:49 the eMMC image is to flash the eMMC May 25 07:19:50 first the fiasco img ... then the vanilla emmc May 25 07:19:51 -testing May 25 07:19:57 NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! May 25 07:20:11 MohammadAG, yep ... May 25 07:20:14 Khertan: well, it is a bit odd to have the standard img called FIASCO ;) May 25 07:20:21 lejonet, clear :) May 25 07:20:28 what Khertan said is important for 1.2! May 25 07:20:33 but on the tablets-dev there's only the eMMC image and the firmware itself May 25 07:20:53 doesnt it auto boot after a flash? May 25 07:20:56 joppu, the firmware is the fiasco ;) May 25 07:21:05 joppu, RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin 262090105 eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 May 25 07:21:07 noobmonk3y, yep it s autoboot :) May 25 07:21:08 that is fiasco May 25 07:21:18 err no May 25 07:21:20 * noobmonk3y thinks that happens just to make sods law real May 25 07:21:21 sorry May 25 07:21:24 AT LAST May 25 07:21:32 D: seriously the firmware itself it called fiasco? May 25 07:21:35 Two months of waiting May 25 07:21:38 i m currently looking at the flasher optionnal argument May 25 07:21:43 * frals waits for planet to get flooded with 10 identical "PR1.2 out now" blogposts May 25 07:21:51 hee May 25 07:21:55 frals, i'll get started on one ;0 May 25 07:22:12 frals, apt-get remove rss, firefox, twitter May 25 07:22:12 lol, my n900 didn't find pr1.2 ^^ May 25 07:22:23 ^^ May 25 07:22:41 mikki-kun, ota only in the UK May 25 07:22:41 mikki-kun, did you have installed custom qt4.6 libs ? May 25 07:22:43 mikki-kun: well either you flash your phone or wait for ota :P May 25 07:22:54 ota? May 25 07:22:58 over the air May 25 07:23:00 o the air May 25 07:23:05 GRRR May 25 07:23:11 * noobmonk3y giggles May 25 07:23:12 and afaik i didn't install custom qt4.6 libs May 25 07:23:15 apt-get upgrade isn't upgrading May 25 07:23:15 MohammadAG, ARGH May 25 07:23:17 * Khertan was bursted by noobmonk3y May 25 07:23:23 ;) May 25 07:23:28 mikki-kun, unrelated. May 25 07:24:00 mece, it could be ... as sdk custom qt4.6 install remove the metapackage mrp0 used for update :) May 25 07:24:18 ptl: PR1.2 IS OUT :-D May 25 07:24:21 surely 1.2 is bigger than... 11 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. May 25 07:24:23 mece, but yep ... not here May 25 07:24:31 congratulationssss May 25 07:24:44 MohammadAG, hum ... maybe they remove everything that didn't pass tests ;) May 25 07:24:56 i'll just do it manually May 25 07:24:56 umm May 25 07:25:04 then it'd say 0 packages May 25 07:25:05 :) May 25 07:25:21 pr1.2? May 25 07:25:23 does this need reflash? May 25 07:25:25 srsly? May 25 07:25:30 jacekowski, the cake is a lie May 25 07:25:36 apparently 1.2 isn't May 25 07:25:36 MohammadAG, :) May 25 07:25:38 or apt-get disupgrade work? May 25 07:25:47 use HAM May 25 07:25:52 thanks! May 25 07:25:59 1.2 is on tablet-dev ... but not yet ota May 25 07:26:01 oe bacon ;) May 25 07:26:05 nothing on maemo.org May 25 07:26:14 Khertan, oh May 25 07:26:23 man i am so happy like a monkey reach the bank of amazon river May 25 07:26:30 at least ota only for uk for the moment May 25 07:26:44 omg? May 25 07:26:49 Latest Maemo 5 USA release for Nokia N90 May 25 07:26:51 the uk never got it first? May 25 07:26:53 !* May 25 07:26:59 :) May 25 07:27:00 frals: it could be nice if images were in descending timestamp order when adding file to mms. I mainly have to scroll to the bottom since I usually want to send the newest image which I just took May 25 07:27:07 gotta goooooooooooooooooo - ciaoooooooooooo May 25 07:27:19 * noobmonk3y slaps frals and MohammadAG with a double headed trout! May 25 07:27:26 * Khertan is still waiting the 28Gb save over usb ... so slow ... May 25 07:27:34 hmmmmmmm May 25 07:27:37 no UK version May 25 07:27:40 Khertan: hf ^^ May 25 07:27:42 Scelt: yeah, i have it somewhere on my list but not had time to wrestle with that dialog yet :) May 25 07:27:49 Scelt: thanks for reminding me :) May 25 07:28:09 frals: kewl. np. I have found that software very useful when drunk :D May 25 07:28:35 hehe :D May 25 07:28:45 finally it was faster to backup 28Gb over usb than downloading from tablets-dev.nokia.com the firmware May 25 07:29:15 well, 28G? May 25 07:29:36 emmc flashes MyDocs as well? May 25 07:29:44 i thought it's just /home May 25 07:29:47 not sure May 25 07:29:55 so backup before :) May 25 07:30:07 anyway it s still a good idea to backup May 25 07:30:16 jacekowski: if you flash the emmc then you also flash MyDocs afair May 25 07:30:18 as i didn't made any since 3 months May 25 07:30:28 well, i have copy of all my porn May 25 07:30:37 :) May 25 07:30:37 LOL May 25 07:30:38 and that's only important stuff i've got on a phone May 25 07:31:00 mikki-kun: only difference between me and you is that i admit to it May 25 07:31:11 bah, upgrading means losing 09:34:53 up 22 days, 7:56, load average: 0.62, 0.15, 0.05 :[ May 25 07:31:26 179Mb for the firmware ... there is a huge difference from previous fw May 25 07:31:29 jacekowski: well, i don't have it on my phone =p May 25 07:31:45 you just don't want to admit to it May 25 07:31:58 Khertan: well, it might be just different compression May 25 07:32:06 jacekowski, true May 25 07:32:10 the goddamn tracker-mechanism will somehow pull that out when i show something to somebody May 25 07:32:22 hh May 25 07:32:37 better be sure... May 25 07:33:04 btw. where is UK version of firmware? May 25 07:35:17 jacekowski coming up, it is always slower as it has to be accepted in the UK May 25 07:35:19 PR 1.2 is not OTA yet? May 25 07:35:40 hrw should be about now May 25 07:35:53 hrw: in the UK only May 25 07:36:03 hrw: rest of the world tomorrow, according to nokia conversations May 25 07:36:08 tekojo: mp-fremantle-generic-pr is still at 10.2010.12-9 May 25 07:36:24 hrw where? May 25 07:36:32 tekojo: on my phone May 25 07:36:58 frals: there is pr1.2 in UK over ota? May 25 07:37:00 hrw afaik that isn't an official build, so you are on your own May 25 07:37:11 http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ May 25 07:37:20 tekojo: thats LR1.2 May 25 07:37:33 hrw which means it's your problem :) May 25 07:37:41 tekojo: it's already on tablets dev May 25 07:38:09 tekojo: ;D May 25 07:38:11 yep ... but seems server are a bit overcharged :) download is slow on tablets-dev :) May 25 07:38:18 jacekowski, the uk variant? people here are faster than I think :) May 25 07:38:36 tekojo: all variants are there May 25 07:38:46 Khertan it's in Akamai, the server should not see a load May 25 07:38:58 calls for a "that's what she said" May 25 07:39:01 tekojo: no, just global May 25 07:39:10 tekojo, yep ... it s in Akamai ... this is the problem :) May 25 07:39:23 haha May 25 07:39:24 jacekowski ok, the UK variant should come in soon May 25 07:39:36 it's out OTA May 25 07:39:52 anyone tried the map application on 1.2? May 25 07:39:56 tekojo, akamai is slow with my isp ... don't know why May 25 07:39:58 Khertan depends on your physical location, better in Akamai than somewhere in Central Finland, then you would be screaming May 25 07:40:03 I'm wondering what has changed May 25 07:40:13 LiraNuna: in lr1.2 it was better then in pr1.1.1 but still not finished May 25 07:40:19 tekojo, not sure :) May 25 07:40:47 well i'm not reflashing May 25 07:41:02 so i guess it's still 1.1.1.5 for the day May 25 07:41:12 LiraLuna http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 May 25 07:41:38 * Khertan will reflash ... as i install many things from the sdk ... will be too hazardoos ... :) May 25 07:41:50 tekojo, tip: use the tab key to complete people's nicknames May 25 07:41:55 Khertan which isp, can't help right now, but these things are good to know in the future May 25 07:41:59 Khertan, not really ;) May 25 07:42:09 tekojo, orange (old france telecom) May 25 07:42:21 LiraNuna: thanks :) May 25 07:42:33 tekojo, but they are against internet neutrality ... May 25 07:42:39 * LiraNuna just hates to see his nick misspelled May 25 07:42:41 so... now that 1.2 is out May 25 07:42:47 tekojo, they already cache youtube and made it slower May 25 07:42:53 who thinks it was way too overrated/hyped May 25 07:42:57 * MohammadAG raises hand May 25 07:43:33 tekojo, but you can't do anything ... it s isp related i think May 25 07:43:43 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=583355&postcount=206 May 25 07:43:45 15 minutes until the backup is complete... May 25 07:43:45 whoa May 25 07:44:27 Khertan hmm, that's bad May 25 07:44:43 tekojo, yep May 25 07:44:52 MohammadAG: I think the "hype" was because everyone expected it a lot :) May 25 07:45:13 hey, we got skype video chats May 25 07:45:21 I don't think it was overrated May 25 07:45:22 and gtalk too? May 25 07:45:28 now 1.2 UK variant is as well available for download from tablets-dev May 25 07:45:29 which don't work with fring May 25 07:45:34 so udeless for me :) May 25 07:45:37 useless* May 25 07:45:37 Surfa, I believe it was on 1.1 as well, but the other side needs to initiate it May 25 07:45:40 video chat is a nice add May 25 07:45:41 danielwilms: thanks :) May 25 07:45:44 well, I'm more interested about fixed bugs :) May 25 07:46:16 how bout the flash version? like I personally care, but some people do May 25 07:46:29 * wall[e] tries to remember all his modification May 25 07:46:38 hi joppu i love your carbon theme very much May 25 07:46:39 yes, when **** sites upgrade we'll be left out May 25 07:46:40 :P May 25 07:47:01 thank you for it a lot May 25 07:47:41 * Khertan is interested by qt4.6 and mce fix May 25 07:47:43 * Khertan is interested by qt4.6 and mce fixes May 25 07:48:33 wall[e]: yeah, I'll fix it up and release it after my exam week (which just started today), but thanks :) May 25 07:49:14 can always wait! May 25 07:49:33 joppu, what exams? May 25 07:50:20 i'm making theme that looks like iron man (with yellow/red metal buttons etc) with blender May 25 07:51:26 rendering is fun but splitting them into so many pngs and try to understand them isn't May 25 07:51:58 appreciate your hard work! good luck with the exam. May 25 07:52:24 thanks :P May 25 07:52:34 * MohammadAG has an exam at 1:30 May 25 07:52:39 you too! May 25 07:52:41 today's a ***** :P May 25 07:52:56 and what are you still doing here? May 25 07:52:58 haha May 25 07:53:42 wall[e]: are you using MADDE, TM or manual method? May 25 07:53:45 but reminds me i was playing mud and runs to the exam and almost late. that's 15 years ago. May 25 07:53:56 joppu: manual May 25 07:54:04 noobmonkey, to flash without reboot from flasher remove the option -R May 25 07:54:21 btw, i noticed that some png got stretch, is there a way to tell rendering engine to tile them? May 25 07:54:22 noobmonk3y left afaik May 25 07:54:30 infobot, seen noobmonk3y May 25 07:54:31 noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@host86-178-53-101.range86-178.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 27m 24s ago, saying: 'gotta goooooooooooooooooo - ciaoooooooooooo'. May 25 07:54:34 through some config file? May 25 07:54:38 yep ... i see that after :) May 25 07:54:43 MohammadAG, thx May 25 07:54:45 :) May 25 07:55:11 don't thank me May 25 07:55:15 ~thanks May 25 07:55:15 MohammadAG: no worries May 25 07:55:18 :P May 25 07:55:41 MohammadAG: I had math today, still Finnish, Swedish, history, geography and English to go May 25 07:55:52 Impossible d'ajouter le message au fichier mbox: /home/khertan/.evolution/mail/local/Inbox: Fichier trop gros May 25 07:55:55 oups May 25 07:56:07 why i can't see pr1.2 in my application manager? May 25 07:56:10 oh, not gces then May 25 07:56:29 good luck anyhow :) May 25 07:56:37 wall[e], because you should change glasses May 25 07:56:51 i really cant see :S May 25 07:56:53 * wall[e] cries May 25 07:57:11 joppu: lol you have Swedish in school? I guess you live in a Finnish/Swedish part of finland? :P May 25 07:57:25 just reflash! May 25 07:57:39 hmm May 25 07:57:49 wonder if i should take backups of the mtd blocks May 25 07:58:05 good morning May 25 07:58:08 i have to repartition again oh no May 25 07:58:09 lejonet: we all have (and hate) to study it everywhere Finland :S May 25 07:58:10 lejonet: everywhere in Finland, we have two official languages May 25 07:58:39 so, i should backup the bootloader files, transitions, mce.ini, custom kernel image, and... May 25 07:58:53 oh yeah, the normal backup app stuff May 25 07:59:01 Scelt: :O that is just wrong May 25 07:59:37 scelt: in belgium we have 4 ! May 25 07:59:39 joppu: Like fine, we did own finland a couple of hundred years ago, but why should we still force you to learn our language? :P May 25 07:59:41 lejonet: that's our history and I don't have anything against it May 25 07:59:47 lejonet: Swedish is mandatory in all of Finland May 25 07:59:50 jpe: Well you guys are weird ;) May 25 08:00:15 but it's nice to have on youre CV May 25 08:00:17 jpe: do you have to study all of them at school? May 25 08:00:38 do you guys ever backup your application list? I never do that May 25 08:00:40 Lynoure: Didn't know that. Poor you :P May 25 08:00:46 i do May 25 08:00:54 scelt: yep, but not all in the same amount..., and it depends in which part of the country you live May 25 08:00:57 backup my app list May 25 08:01:04 jpe: okay May 25 08:01:10 lejonet: Could be worse :) May 25 08:01:31 I knew they will release PR 1.2 right after Lost finale :D May 25 08:01:45 Lynoure: True May 25 08:01:45 that light was PR 1.2 indeed :D May 25 08:01:47 brb May 25 08:01:47 my friend says dont watch it May 25 08:02:04 you have pr1.2 in ham? May 25 08:02:08 all of you? May 25 08:02:14 wall[e]: no May 25 08:02:26 ah ok May 25 08:02:46 wall[e]: but I'll try to update it thry nsu May 25 08:03:07 which I doubt :) May 25 08:03:38 MohammadAG: where is the transitions-file stored? May 25 08:03:55 /usr/share/hildon-desktop May 25 08:04:24 wazd :) May 25 08:04:24 thanks :) May 25 08:04:26 no luck here May 25 08:04:43 and the mce.ini was somewhere in /etc afair May 25 08:05:09 * wall[e] tries apt May 25 08:05:35 hmm. pr 1.2 eh May 25 08:07:30 oh darn May 25 08:07:34 someone shipped it? May 25 08:07:42 ...but does it have a pony? May 25 08:07:44 that means i actually have to get my package(s) fixed :( May 25 08:08:27 timeless_mbp: oh noes :D May 25 08:08:42 korhojoa_: how dare they ship it! May 25 08:08:45 it's so unfair! May 25 08:08:52 couldn't they wait another year? May 25 08:08:58 timeless_mbp: yeah! especially when it means effort for the devs! May 25 08:09:05 yeah…. May 25 08:09:20 "Polishing each application for resistive screen (as good as it is) is not trivial considering...." May 25 08:09:24 now poor users will update and things will break and they'll blame the lazy devs like me for not being ready May 25 08:09:26 I mean, they could at least have given you some warning, you know. So you'd have time to fix any broken functionality, but no. May 25 08:09:31 of all possible explanations he chose this May 25 08:09:59 meego is overrated May 25 08:10:23 it has rpm, one reason to stay away from it (from my experience with fedora) May 25 08:10:23 Peter is slowly moving onto Jobs' path :) May 25 08:10:29 korhojoa_: yeah, the 6 months i got was way too short May 25 08:10:36 i needed at least 12 months May 25 08:10:49 wazd: without all the technical rigor and overall determination May 25 08:11:26 mp-fremantle-generic-pr is already the newest version. May 25 08:11:34 may be because i am in thailand? May 25 08:12:22 wall[e], update the package list May 25 08:12:28 i quite like the debian package manager May 25 08:12:47 Probably the hundredth person to ask this morning but why won't PR1.2 update over the air? I've got 68megs free on rootfs May 25 08:13:04 is there any way to update n900 for windows? :) May 25 08:13:26 Oli```, it will tomorrow May 25 08:13:55 MohammadAG: ? They're updating the package? May 25 08:14:04 idk May 25 08:15:25 MohammadAG: I did May 25 08:15:37 apt source.list right? May 25 08:17:49 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ and https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 ./ May 25 08:17:51 right? May 25 08:17:53 yes hello May 25 08:17:59 omg I'm soo regretting not using the restore apps functions. Turns out I had a shitload of apps installed. May 25 08:18:11 ah i see May 25 08:18:17 will flash then May 25 08:18:38 who can wait for one more day? May 25 08:18:44 mece if you have the backup, you still can do it May 25 08:19:06 tekojo.. can I only choose the app list? May 25 08:19:09 hmm good idea. May 25 08:19:10 wazd windows flaseher May 25 08:19:21 wazd, http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing May 25 08:19:28 wazd, fast and easy May 25 08:19:38 I think I screwed something up. I flashed the FIASCO image without the -R switch, kept the N900 plugged it, ran the eMMC flashing command. It it says booting into flashing mode and no suitable device found. The N900 boot is stuck to the second dot May 25 08:19:44 ooooh May 25 08:19:49 mece in back-up tool yes and then in app manager there is the menu option of restore May 25 08:19:56 tekojo: mece: thanks, I'll try that :) May 25 08:20:07 X-Fade: ping May 25 08:20:31 joppu: restart it over? May 25 08:20:41 joppu try ripping out the battery and rebooting, or did you already? May 25 08:20:59 and how long is it stuck? May 25 08:20:59 The wiki pagesays it's strictly forbidden May 25 08:21:22 ""When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image first, then the eMMC. Do not boot up the device between the two! May 25 08:21:31 joppu: but you flashed both images already? May 25 08:21:40 or not? May 25 08:21:50 Nope, the eMMC doesn't flash May 25 08:22:12 The Firmware is already there May 25 08:22:16 Is it possible, to have something like a wildcard-contact? E.g. all numbers from the office start with 431515 followed by 4 digits. I want to see, if the office calls. May 25 08:22:19 is 1.2 out then? May 25 08:22:22 joppu: ahhh, then rip the battery, ready the flasher, plug in the cable and stick the battery in May 25 08:22:39 ready the flasher as in run the command, it will wait for the device a while May 25 08:22:48 Hey guys is there a port of google chrome for maemo 2008? May 25 08:22:56 do I need to press U? May 25 08:23:18 joppu: depends, on my machine never, but some people need to May 25 08:23:44 parim1, ask jacekowski, but i doubt it, the N900's hardware runs it a bislow May 25 08:23:50 parim1: I think I saw a chromium app in extras-devel or something the other day, it aint that optimized for touch screen tho May 25 08:24:08 lejonet: thanks May 25 08:24:15 md5sum verified ... FLASHING ! May 25 08:24:32 Khertan :) May 25 08:24:35 lejonet, it's for OS 2009, not 2008 afaik May 25 08:24:47 I'm going to pump out qt apps like there' May 25 08:24:49 s no tomorrow May 25 08:24:50 MohammadAG: oh :P May 25 08:25:13 (not really) May 25 08:25:16 oh May 25 08:25:19 NSU works May 25 08:25:22 awesome! May 25 08:25:28 what's NSU again? May 25 08:25:28 i m impatient to test my Qt Apps :) May 25 08:25:34 Not Safe Education? :P May 25 08:25:34 (not finished yet) May 25 08:25:35 nokia software update May 25 08:25:41 Khertan, mine installed as it should at least :) May 25 08:25:53 mine isn't packaged yet :) May 25 08:26:19 So - PR1.2 is out, and everyone is a happy kitten? May 25 08:26:30 I'm probably going to use my N900 to try and learn how to program with Qt :P May 25 08:26:51 phellarv: well, no commercially supported meego May 25 08:26:53 Gotta setup an cross-compiler on my computer tho May 25 08:26:58 oups ... i ve got a pb ... May 25 08:27:05 Khertan, uh oh May 25 08:27:07 doesn't boot May 25 08:27:07 lejonet try MADDE May 25 08:27:21 Khertan, wait... May 25 08:27:26 Khertan, mine was slooow May 25 08:27:29 first boot May 25 08:27:33 Stskeeps: That was not really a surprise. May 25 08:27:36 yep ... but reboot twice already May 25 08:27:41 Khertan. oh. damn May 25 08:27:55 grrrrr May 25 08:27:57 Khertan: wait, it's doing a lot of optification of first boot May 25 08:27:57 Stskeeps: Ain't no money in backporting, you know. May 25 08:28:01 internet will down for an hour grrrr May 25 08:28:20 wall[e]: repars? May 25 08:28:26 tekojo, yep ... i m just waiting ... maybe some internal fw upgrade like the phone chipset May 25 08:28:28 tekojo, are you still working on maemo btw? May 25 08:28:39 youhou ! it s start the third time ! May 25 08:28:58 Khertan, so it worked.. or? May 25 08:28:59 mece: Yes, but my area is maemo.org, as long as it's there I'm looking at it May 25 08:29:05 mece, yep it s working May 25 08:29:17 i was a bit afraid after two reboot May 25 08:29:19 Khertan: not chipset, that happens in flashing, but it's optifying May 25 08:29:21 tekojo, nice. That's like my favorite place on teh interwebs :D May 25 08:29:31 ok, screw the eMMC, it boots up just fine May 25 08:30:01 ~curse my slow 3g connection May 25 08:30:03 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, my slow 3g connection ! May 25 08:30:20 joppu: I don't think you *have* to flash emmc, it's just a content change May 25 08:30:20 teehee... that never gets old May 25 08:30:34 hum ... my nokia May 25 08:30:36 :) May 25 08:30:39 * tekojo is being dragged to lunch May 25 08:30:44 tekojo: yeah, I was just hoping to start up on a clean slate May 25 08:30:45 advice by sms ... will be short :) May 25 08:30:55 seriously, NSU worked like a charm May 25 08:31:08 it should be listed in wiki I suppose May 25 08:31:59 how does one change the menu layout? May 25 08:32:03 Paul and microsoft have them take a look at it May 25 08:32:50 yay PR1.2! May 25 08:33:22 tekojo, does pr1.2 use the same transitions.ini file as previous versions? May 25 08:34:43 Treibholz: the algorithm looks at the last x digits which iirc is 8 or so May 25 08:35:05 mece: I don't think that tekojo knows every single file on the N900 by heart. wait and check? May 25 08:35:09 i don't think it's particularly pluggable, but you could probably write another app which listens for some message and does something May 25 08:36:13 andre__: how dare he not memorize the entire file system for all versions of the n900! May 25 08:36:18 1.2? May 25 08:36:35 ehhh May 25 08:36:42 not enough memory in target location May 25 08:37:04 how much is enough? May 25 08:37:05 sx0n: it is in the topic... May 25 08:37:25 jacekowski: When 1 more bit is more space than needed ;) May 25 08:37:30 holy crap, the back button now actually takes you back one page May 25 08:37:52 * lejonet hides May 25 08:37:59 joppu: :O May 25 08:38:04 A= infinty sign May 25 08:38:07 jacekowski, A May 25 08:38:09 joppu: lies May 25 08:38:33 jacekowski, try disabling extras, testing and devel, perhaps that will do the trick? May 25 08:38:42 gives you 20 megs or so :) May 25 08:38:57 6.3 at the moment May 25 08:39:27 jacekowski, ouch May 25 08:39:31 still no portait input in the browser May 25 08:39:38 timeless_mbp: i think its last 7 May 25 08:40:59 i cleaned /var/cache/apt/archives and i've got 30M May 25 08:41:28 andre__, righty, sometimes people just happens to know though :) May 25 08:41:36 frals: i've spoken w/ the people who work on it May 25 08:41:47 in the USA, we have 10 digit numbers, 3, 3, 4 May 25 08:41:50 woo, normal "back" in browser! :) update already worth it :) May 25 08:42:01 30M is not enough May 25 08:42:02 a 7 digit number isn't actually useful, since it's an instant collision between any pair of area codes May 25 08:42:12 wazd: Sweetness :P May 25 08:42:17 andre__, hey btw did you get my email about the bugtrackers? May 25 08:42:31 joppu: did you find portrait input in any other application? May 25 08:42:33 jacekowski, it just hates you May 25 08:42:36 mece, yes May 25 08:42:49 MohammadAG: it doesn't want me to hate it May 25 08:43:08 timeless_mbp: alright, i only go by whats at http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libosso-abook/libosso-abook-osso-abook-util.html#osso-abook-query-phone-number which might not be used elsewhere :) May 25 08:43:09 timeless_mbp: nope, but somebody was demonstating it on the SDK by forcing it into portait May 25 08:43:12 andre__, k. Is all ok there, or do you need more info? May 25 08:43:23 timeless_mbp: yes May 25 08:43:43 joppu: try opera browser for Maemo, bloody brilliant, and added bonus: no flash! May 25 08:43:47 frals: hrm, maybe :) May 25 08:43:58 crashanddie: I'm aware of this, yes May 25 08:44:00 i distinctly remember disliking their behavior for a bunch of reasons May 25 08:44:10 hehe May 25 08:44:13 joppu: supports portrait input with a very good keyboard May 25 08:44:21 mece, looks okay from a quick view. also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products May 25 08:44:30 frals: i will note that the first sentence in that blob is bad May 25 08:44:37 cyrilic symbols in maps! May 25 08:44:41 it should be "well-defined", not "well-define" May 25 08:44:50 mmm May 25 08:44:51 crashanddie: but it sucks you battery like a whor... May 25 08:44:52 so given that they were off by one earlier, maybe they're off by one later :) May 25 08:44:53 I feel a bit randy now May 25 08:44:55 joppu: then don't say "nope", when someone asks you "did you find portrait input in any other application" May 25 08:45:10 I can't restore.. it does complain about available memory May 25 08:45:13 crashanddie: um May 25 08:45:16 Opera has their own IME May 25 08:45:19 let's switch to english May 25 08:45:23 it isn't the nokia IME May 25 08:45:31 timeless_mbp: yes, but it's still portrait input May 25 08:45:35 no May 25 08:45:36 it isn't May 25 08:45:39 timeless_mbp: you didn't qualify initially :) May 25 08:45:57 damn, I always hit "settings", the last item in the menu by reflex :D May 25 08:46:03 crashanddie: it was a context sensitive question May 25 08:46:08 the context was 'pr1.2 changes' May 25 08:46:21 pr1.2 does not, to my knowledge, offer a portrait IME May 25 08:46:22 timeless_mbp: my apologies, wasn't aware of it May 25 08:46:35 as it does not offer it, asking one of the platform apps to use a feature that doesn't exist is unfair May 25 08:46:47 and i'm in the middle of deciding how to bite someone's head off May 25 08:46:50 so please don't tempt me May 25 08:47:07 so there was an option to rearrange the menu, where it would be lacated? May 25 08:47:07 i'm trying to be incredibly polite and include a certain amount of levity May 25 08:47:10 however…. May 25 08:47:14 timeless_mbp: that being said, I believe it is worthwhile to note that the only application that offers portrait input support is a beta version of a browser. May 25 08:47:15 joppu: tap and hold May 25 08:47:36 crashanddie: you think we *didn't* want it? May 25 08:47:50 timeless_mbp: fuck off, don't pull that with me. Thanks. If you need to go for a shit, please, go ahead and go to the bathroom, no need to threathen the whole room. May 25 08:48:15 sure, we went to the IME people and said "please please please don't deliver a portrait IME, it'd give us too many features and hurt our WOW for post 1.2" May 25 08:48:29 * timeless_mbp waits for that to hit talk May 25 08:48:35 lol May 25 08:48:51 internet drama May 25 08:49:14 ctrl+shift+r doesn't work in media player? :( May 25 08:49:18 timeless_mbp: I never said or implied anything of the sorts, please don't insult my intelligence by pretending I did, you know better than that. May 25 08:50:07 crashanddie: i'm in a bad mood May 25 08:50:25 oke, an extra reboot did do the trick.. it's now restoring :-) May 25 08:50:45 that's fine, hope things get better, but there really is no need to take it out on the channel, or anyone on IRC for that matter. May 25 08:50:50 my day started by receiving what amounts to a censure from a working group May 25 08:51:02 timeless_mbp: may I recommend going to annoy the new paperboy? May 25 08:51:18 i'd probably get arrested in this country! May 25 08:51:33 I meant the Nokia paperboy, hopefully he's legal May 25 08:51:48 harassing people at nokia would get me fired May 25 08:51:52 they don't have a sense of humor May 25 08:51:56 damn May 25 08:51:57 and document every infraction May 25 08:52:08 with video cameras! May 25 08:52:09 accont setup has now "facebook"-option. it's just jabber, right? May 25 08:52:22 joppu: it's probably facebook :) May 25 08:52:36 is pr1.2 released? May 25 08:52:45 * timeless_mbp eyes crashanddie May 25 08:52:48 or did joppu install the leaked version? May 25 08:52:52 please read the topic May 25 08:52:59 timeless_mbp: I know the topic, I put it there May 25 08:53:08 but sometimes the conversations get misleading May 25 08:53:11 wellthe builtin jabber fuctioned fine with facebook, as it being XMPP May 25 08:53:18 http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/nokia-updates-n900-to-version-1-2-in-uk-closes-door-on-meego/ May 25 08:53:28 timeless_mbp: oh, no, I didn't read the topic May 25 08:53:39 ... May 25 08:53:43 joppu, I guess it's a jabber with the proper settings preinstalled May 25 08:53:59 sorry May 25 08:54:39 you deserve a kick ban, you used the f word May 25 08:54:44 :P May 25 08:54:50 what, fwanker? May 25 08:54:50 hehehe May 25 08:54:50 :P May 25 08:54:54 crashanddie: don't be to harsh on yourself May 25 08:55:07 what did I say: PR1.2 Global Release on May 26th, my birthday! May 25 08:55:07 > This comment has been down-ranked into oblivion. May 25 08:55:21 it's may 25th :P May 25 08:55:26 crashanddie: do you have a birthday every day? May 25 08:55:26 crashanddie: it's already released May 25 08:55:28 well, only UK release today, right? May 25 08:55:38 no global too. only uk on ota. May 25 08:55:41 crashanddie: everything except UK is released May 25 08:55:49 crashanddie: UK is released for ota instead May 25 08:55:56 "UK release today, and global release tomorrow Wednesday, May 26" May 25 08:56:03 yeah, so that's what I said :) May 25 08:56:04 crashanddie, for ota ... May 25 08:56:05 crashanddie: check tablet-dev May 25 08:56:14 26th May :) Nokia wanted to be polite May 25 08:56:16 I already installed global, so it's definately out. May 25 08:56:23 crashanddie: there are all firmware version except UK May 25 08:56:29 crashanddie: UK users can get update using OTA May 25 08:56:32 crashanddie, mine is restoring apps on pr1.2 :) May 25 08:56:35 and OTA fails May 25 08:56:42 jacekowski: I understand that May 25 08:56:43 because it needs god knows how much space May 25 08:56:54 is there any way to erase my now obsolete jabber addresses all all my over 100 fabebook friends? May 25 08:57:14 nice spelling May 25 08:57:29 joppu: look at the hermes app, it'll give you an idea May 25 08:57:53 is it now capable of erasing stuff too? May 25 08:58:22 dunno May 25 08:58:36 if it doesn't, send an ER May 25 08:59:13 no meego and it's last update probably. sad May 25 08:59:28 what's a UK user? not a summit device? or a dev-device? May 25 08:59:30 i wouldn't be to worried yet May 25 08:59:38 lbt: UK ips maybe May 25 09:00:02 ZogG_N900: what do you meanno meego? May 25 09:00:03 * lbt sets up a Tor May 25 09:00:17 am i supposed to be able to update to 1.2 by just apt-get update and dist-upgrade? May 25 09:00:26 pigeon: no May 25 09:00:42 joppu, for n900 officially May 25 09:00:46 (no updates available) ... in Reading, UK...... May 25 09:00:59 * lbt sobs and moves on with his destroyed life May 25 09:01:04 pr 1.2 is out? May 25 09:01:06 lbt: Only for UK devices, with UK cal data. May 25 09:01:14 :) May 25 09:01:15 lbt: You probably have global ones. May 25 09:01:15 isn't that nice though... I ranted about PR1.2 last night, I wake up and... TADA May 25 09:01:18 pigeon, you can flash for own risk May 25 09:01:18 lbt: well, reading isn't in UK then May 25 09:01:20 ZogG_N900: N900 isn't really targeted at people who only install "officail" stuff on their device May 25 09:01:24 crashanddie: I told you! May 25 09:01:30 bother, i was hoping to be online when that happened May 25 09:01:32 jacekowski: true... May 25 09:01:42 But flashing is better anyway ;) May 25 09:01:48 they got confused with pensylvania May 25 09:01:53 joppu: yes, that's exactly what it's aimed at May 25 09:02:00 have to do it using the app manager? May 25 09:02:07 joppu: please don't take your habbits as a general rule for the whole of the community May 25 09:02:09 you see, i was planning to find out before they changed the topic, and get kicked for asking about it when it was already out May 25 09:02:44 Stskeeps, timeless_mbp: fuck off :) May 25 09:02:48 joppu, i have gentoo on desktop to have sex with and look forward for gf May 25 09:02:49 X-Fade, would u advice o flash vanilla as well? May 25 09:02:55 joppu: spot on, the n900 is a computer, and therefore it is for breaking and then fixing, for fun :) May 25 09:03:25 BCMM, depends May 25 09:03:30 i just did break my phone thing and moved locale-archive to /home May 25 09:03:37 ZogG_N900: No, but after a few SSUs you might have less space free than you would with a clean flash for the firmware. May 25 09:03:47 crashanddie: do you know the Hacker Editions for the previous tablets? May 25 09:03:47 if it's an extra stuff i agree but common things. meh May 25 09:03:54 MohammadAG: we're all friends here May 25 09:03:54 * lbt looks down at his Roomba and wonders if PR1.2 will help it clean into the corners... May 25 09:04:04 timeless_mbp, stfu May 25 09:04:07 joppu: yah May 25 09:04:07 :P May 25 09:04:11 lbt: it'll give you a pony :) May 25 09:04:18 a tiny one, to stick in the corner May 25 09:04:23 timeless_mbp, I know :) May 25 09:04:24 which the roomba can play w/ May 25 09:04:27 so one has to back up everything, make a list of apps you've installed, and reflash? May 25 09:04:29 it should get in smaller gaps ... May 25 09:04:38 it can go portrait ;) May 25 09:04:59 it already does portrait May 25 09:05:10 BCMM: nah, the wheels spin May 25 09:05:21 i meant maemo already does portrait May 25 09:05:25 we don't need to flash the bloody emmc, do we? May 25 09:05:28 I meant my Roomba May 25 09:05:40 crashanddie: we do May 25 09:05:41 X-Fade, again. emmc or whta flash? May 25 09:05:55 jacekowski: seriously? May 25 09:05:57 you don't need to flash the eMMC May 25 09:06:00 crashanddie: full flash you need as far as i know May 25 09:06:02 ZogG_N900: Don't touch emmc. May 25 09:06:10 crashanddie: they moved some stuff to emmc May 25 09:06:13 am i right in thinking that pr1.2 isn't going to be an OTA update? May 25 09:06:17 ZogG_N900: As that will remove your home etc ;) May 25 09:06:20 BCMM: wrong May 25 09:06:23 BCMM: read the announcement May 25 09:06:23 BCMM: it will be tomorrow May 25 09:06:27 X-Fade, ok. that's what i mean May 25 09:06:27 I didn't flash the eMMC and it's working fabulously May 25 09:06:30 crashanddie: that's a good idea May 25 09:06:38 BCMM: and it's today for UK users May 25 09:06:45 jacekowski: as OTA? May 25 09:06:53 ( at least once UK isn't behind everybody else ) May 25 09:06:55 BCMM: yes May 25 09:07:02 * BCMM looks at his phone May 25 09:07:05 oh my, so it is May 25 09:07:08 * BCMM does a happy little dance May 25 09:07:14 X-Fade, no problem to back up May 25 09:07:15 X-Fade, jacekowski: one is saying don't flash emmc, the other is saying do. Please get in tune. We need to send a unique message, especially on IRC. May 25 09:07:17 46minutes ETA May 25 09:07:20 right, i should probably make some space on /, since it's been a bit full lately May 25 09:07:22 any ideas? May 25 09:07:33 ZogG_N900: Well if you backup on device, those will be gone then ;) May 25 09:07:36 BCMM: i moved /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive to /home May 25 09:07:50 jacekowski: as in, move and symlink? May 25 09:07:57 and that doesn't cause any problems? May 25 09:07:59 well, i didn't bother to symlink May 25 09:08:02 X-Fade, backup on desktop. lol May 25 09:08:02 and it's still working May 25 09:08:09 jacekowski: you mean nothing uses that? May 25 09:08:11 but i'll move it back as soon as update is done May 25 09:08:19 BCMM: well, programs are using it May 25 09:08:31 is it put there by the international conspiracy of memory manufacturers? May 25 09:08:38 X-Fade, can't back up on device and than format it. May 25 09:08:38 BCMM: but symlink shouldn't be a problem May 25 09:08:51 jacekowski: eta 46 mins as in download time??? May 25 09:08:57 BCMM: it contains locales for all languages May 25 09:08:59 BCMM: yes May 25 09:09:05 that is damn slow May 25 09:09:14 BCMM: over 2g? May 25 09:09:18 global one? May 25 09:09:25 in metal building May 25 09:09:30 over half G May 25 09:09:32 jacekowski: ah, i was assuming one would do taht kinda thing over wifi/USB networking May 25 09:09:34 and i have only 3 bars May 25 09:09:44 jacekowski: no wifi? May 25 09:09:52 no computer? May 25 09:09:54 BCMM: not in here May 25 09:10:08 wifi is slower for me that apn May 25 09:10:17 pretty much everywhere except electronics workshop May 25 09:10:27 gents, I'd really like to know if we need to flash emmc or not May 25 09:10:30 was somebody advising that one flashes instead of OTA'ing? May 25 09:10:39 now, my understanding is that EMMC can't be flashed OTA anyway May 25 09:10:50 anybody tested skype videocall already? :) May 25 09:10:51 crashanddie: correct May 25 09:11:03 how much root should i have available? May 25 09:11:10 i have 18.1M May 25 09:11:11 so if it is being planned (or delivered) OTA, it seems unlikely that the EMMC flash would do anything, and only the bin update is required May 25 09:11:15 BCMM: not enough May 25 09:11:27 BCMM: mount -o bind /home /var/cache/apt/archives/ May 25 09:11:31 jacekowski: yeah, i figured - not sure where it has all gone though :( May 25 09:11:35 mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial/ May 25 09:11:37 as root May 25 09:11:46 that will help a bit May 25 09:11:52 BCMM: mount -o bind /home/tmp /var/cache/apt/archives/ May 25 09:12:05 and i moved that locales file to /home May 25 09:12:12 and i'll see what happens May 25 09:12:25 but as there is no localedef on n900 May 25 09:12:27 jacekowski: that directory is empty right now May 25 09:12:34 BCMM: it will get bigger May 25 09:12:35 jacekowski: perhaps because of me doing apt-get clean? May 25 09:12:41 So, could we as a channel, recommend the following: if you can lose your EMMC, backup everything and flash both the EMMC and Fiasco image. If you don't have time, or feeling risky, only flash the fiasco image. There may be content on the EMMC that we're unaware of. May 25 09:12:51 i'll have to remove unused locales from archive May 25 09:13:01 ~emmc May 25 09:13:20 ~emmcinfo is if you can lose your EMMC, backup everything and flash both the EMMC and Fiasco image. If you don't have time, or feeling risky, only flash the fiasco image. There may be content on the EMMC that we're unaware of. May 25 09:13:21 crashanddie: okay May 25 09:13:28 jacekowski: the thing is, i still don't know where all the extra space has gone May 25 09:13:41 BCMM: well, 20M seems about right May 25 09:13:54 jacekowski: i thought you said "not enough"? May 25 09:14:07 it's about right May 25 09:14:11 but it's not enough for ota May 25 09:14:12 jacekowski, i would mount to tmp dir May 25 09:14:25 with the space i have, extras-devel sometimes won't update because of "no space left on device" May 25 09:14:39 BCMM: disable extra repositiries as well May 25 09:14:43 Probably because you have 2 Qt versions installed. May 25 09:14:48 jacekowski: while doing teh update? May 25 09:15:10 X-Fade: me? May 25 09:15:15 BCMM: yes May 25 09:15:21 jacekowski: ok May 25 09:15:31 every byte helps May 25 09:15:53 has anybody been set on fire or had their kitten eaten by 1.2 yet? May 25 09:15:54 After PR1.2 install, you should have 100M free in rootfs. May 25 09:16:10 X-Fade: it will free up space? how? May 25 09:16:11 X-Fade: command please? May 25 09:16:20 BCMM: move stuff to emmc May 25 09:16:25 BCMM: It will move a lot to /opt May 25 09:16:36 that is a very, very good thing May 25 09:16:53 Also, opt is a bind mount now, not a symlink May 25 09:17:22 X-Fade: what are the practical differences, btw? May 25 09:17:34 i mean, i know both exist, but i don't entirely understand why one would use bind May 25 09:17:48 " May 25 09:18:12 oh dear May 25 09:18:34 BCMM: bind is better May 25 09:18:36 "to update your device to this version of the operating system you must use the nokia software update application on your PC" May 25 09:18:37 rootsf Size:227.8M Used:112.0M Available:101.5M Use&:55% May 25 09:18:40 what does a linux user do? May 25 09:18:47 after FIASCO reflash May 25 09:19:03 is there not a way to just create the backup in a MyDocs file which i then copy over MSC? May 25 09:19:08 BCMM: there is nokia software update application for linux May 25 09:19:18 X-Fade: rootsf Size:227.8M Used:112.0M Available:101.5M Use&:55% May 25 09:19:28 jacekowski: where does one get it? May 25 09:19:34 how do I see space in rootfs? May 25 09:19:40 BCMM: tablet-dev May 25 09:19:42 df -h / May 25 09:20:08 all that showing off with amount of space on rootfs May 25 09:20:21 reminds me of something May 25 09:21:01 jacekowski: is that "flasher"? May 25 09:21:11 BCMM: yes May 25 09:21:25 bind is awesome May 25 09:21:47 I got 31.9M Available in rootfs, is that enough for update? May 25 09:21:52 holy shit did pr 1.2 just hit? May 25 09:22:04 YES May 25 09:22:15 woot May 25 09:22:23 PhonicUK, i hate you ))) May 25 09:22:27 lo over 1000 updates May 25 09:22:30 why? May 25 09:22:40 the MicroB font rendering is now awesome, no more kerning bugs :D May 25 09:22:49 cause u r UK May 25 09:22:58 arg !!! also external repository with PR1.2 should have the dists fremantle-1.2 May 25 09:23:05 what is rootfs used for? May 25 09:23:12 does only the UK get it atm? May 25 09:23:23 jacekowski: i'm being dense, can't find flasher for the n900 May 25 09:23:46 latest seems to be "flasher utility (Linux on Intel x86) for the Nokia 770, N800 and N810 Internet Tablets" May 25 09:23:54 hm... puh! May 25 09:24:01 hmm, no ota yet? May 25 09:24:07 forgot to back_up my data from internal eMMC Ö.ö May 25 09:24:10 Mobsan: a place where you shouldn't store application files May 25 09:24:18 jaska, uk today, row probably tomomrrow announced May 25 09:24:41 But, how do you choose where to install applications? May 25 09:24:43 oh ok, cba to reinstall and retune everything May 25 09:24:48 BCMM: flasher-3.5 works for n900 as well May 25 09:24:53 thanks May 25 09:25:04 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php May 25 09:25:06 Mobsan: you don't, the dev does May 25 09:25:26 ok, and what can we do when the rootfs is full? May 25 09:25:38 Mobsan: Flash the image? May 25 09:26:02 BCMM, fremantle mentioned also in the description field :) May 25 09:26:04 Mobsan: not much, uninstall packages May 25 09:26:40 Surfa: ? May 25 09:27:01 BCMM, link above May 25 09:27:09 for the maemo flasher May 25 09:27:10 why is it so small? 227M? May 25 09:27:15 yeh, got it now from the wiki May 25 09:27:16 thanks May 25 09:28:30 Mobsan: why is what so small? May 25 09:28:49 how do you get at backups without installing something? May 25 09:28:56 oh nm May 25 09:29:01 i must be going blind May 25 09:29:01 space of rootfs... May 25 09:30:29 Mobsan: did you find an answer yet? I've got 69.3Megs free and it's still telling me to flash it (rather than updating ota) May 25 09:33:46 does the flasher tool allow to backup first? May 25 09:33:50 or how do I do that? May 25 09:34:06 sejo: you can do that from your phone May 25 09:34:10 sejo: go to system, backup May 25 09:34:11 backup app May 25 09:34:14 Oli: Im not updating yet (Not in UK), but trying to understand what rootfs is doing and how much space it needs so I can to update tomorrow... May 25 09:34:45 i wanna update :) May 25 09:35:16 how much space is needed? May 25 09:35:34 Mobsan: I've seen people in the forums saying they've updated OTA with ~57megs free but as I say, I've got 69.3 and it's not letting me upgrade ota May 25 09:35:47 does it also backup the phonenumbers? May 25 09:36:05 sejo: the backup app will May 25 09:36:08 Oli```: use console May 25 09:36:12 great thx May 25 09:36:12 Oli```: sudo gainroot May 25 09:36:18 Oli```: apt-get update May 25 09:36:22 apt-get upgrade May 25 09:36:27 apt-get dist-upgrade May 25 09:36:41 sejo: just make sure to copy the "backup" folder out of the phone for additional safety May 25 09:36:55 And I only got 30.... i tried to uninstall a app, and now it its 100kb less space after the uninstall... May 25 09:37:02 joppu: good advice thanks May 25 09:37:07 jacekowski: I've also seen somebody in the forums say that xterm gets shut down during upgrade, killing off dpkg, leaving you with a bricked phone May 25 09:37:33 Oli```: you can always do full flash May 25 09:37:55 jacekowski: that's what I'm leaning towards right now... such a pita though May 25 09:37:55 morning \o May 25 09:38:03 but good to know May 25 09:38:05 morning lcuk May 25 09:38:08 I should take the GLOBAL one right (in Belgium) May 25 09:38:09 how about running the upgrade in screen May 25 09:38:11 i'll run my upgrade on screen May 25 09:38:12 ? May 25 09:38:15 and flash 9 still, as expected :-( May 25 09:38:16 *5* May 25 09:38:34 hmm May 25 09:38:40 i've disabled repositories May 25 09:39:10 so it decides whether to OTA or ask you to flash based on free space? May 25 09:39:18 Arkenoi: so... May 25 09:39:23 BCMM: no May 25 09:39:23 pr1.2 went to bed months ago May 25 09:39:36 we never promised a newer version of flash for 1.2 May 25 09:39:38 BCMM: it just refuses to do OTA if there isn't enough space May 25 09:39:47 jacekowski: how is that different? May 25 09:39:50 and there is no way it could possibly have arrived before 1.2 went to bed May 25 09:39:59 * Arkenoi still cannot understand exactly *what* prevented it form releasing two months ago May 25 09:40:10 BCMM: stop asking tricky questions May 25 09:40:11 Arkenoi: let's not go there :) May 25 09:40:14 timeless, why? May 25 09:40:18 Arkenoi: each time someone outside nokia said the word 'PR1.2', it got delayed a day May 25 09:40:28 is there a wayto tell what version of the phone it is? like US or global? May 25 09:40:35 timeless, it was ready half an year ago May 25 09:40:58 Arkenoi: and a lot of people said pr1.2, thus it was delayed a while :) May 25 09:41:05 Stskeeps++ May 25 09:41:23 it wasn't entirely ready 6 months ago May 25 09:41:30 does everyone see firmware update in app manager, or it depends on product code? i do not May 25 09:41:34 it was mostly ready May 25 09:41:44 upgrading, brb May 25 09:41:48 Arkenoi: there's generally a delay in the way things role out May 25 09:41:51 s/role/roll/ May 25 09:41:53 timeless_mbp meant: Arkenoi: there's generally a delay in the way things roll out May 25 09:41:59 is this the correct fw: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? May 25 09:41:59 also, apt-get dist-upgrade May 25 09:42:01 and iirc app manager doesn't check every minute May 25 09:43:16 i wonder if that's because we don't want to run up your phone bill :) May 25 09:43:36 and battery life :) May 25 09:43:42 teehee. http://yearoftheplank.com May 25 09:43:47 think the default is 24h.. it can be changed somewhere, saw it on wiki May 25 09:44:00 well, you can manually run update in HAM anyway May 25 09:44:55 tihihi, flashing completed :D May 25 09:45:53 x2x works nice, just copy-pasted phonenumber from n900 phone app to an email (which im writing on my desktop box) May 25 09:46:13 is there any way to enable ordinary mouse cursor in maemo? May 25 09:46:28 how to restore or reload default browser (it fails after moving to boot from external memory card; N810) May 25 09:46:33 its pretty odd feeling to use mouse and not see the cursor ;) May 25 09:46:35 will the backup app backup my conversations? May 25 09:47:02 chadi: afaik, yes May 25 09:47:38 what about msn-pecan and skype attributes of contacts? May 25 09:48:22 Hi. Is this the right channel to ask questions regarding desktop shortcuts/bookmarks and the MicroB browser on a N900? May 25 09:48:22 dunno about that May 25 09:48:26 oh and what about contacts themself? May 25 09:49:15 Hm, would it be disadventages more than filling liiittle more space with using bins not BusyBox-related when using ls, grep, etc? May 25 09:49:42 FIQ: no? May 25 09:49:46 what is hte difference between global and UK releases? May 25 09:49:50 DokterW: Probably, although I don't have any experience with it May 25 09:49:58 FIQ: the gnu tools are renamed where they conflict May 25 09:50:25 chadi: im additionally backing up $HOME over to desktop box May 25 09:52:58 chadi: its possible that some software cannot be installed anymore after flashing, other than that you dont lose stuff when doing backup,flash,restore May 25 09:53:04 chadi: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=425071&postcount=7 May 25 09:54:08 TTilus exactly what I wanted, thanks :) May 25 09:54:27 one last question, do I flash the FIASCO then the VANILLA? May 25 09:54:34 hum ... someone know which version of pyqt is the one to use with pr1.2 May 25 09:54:34 ? May 25 09:54:40 chadi, yep May 25 09:54:57 chadi, and do not reboot between the both flash May 25 09:55:01 so FIASCO PR1.2 then VANILLA PR1.2 May 25 09:55:12 is there any way to enable ordinary mouse cursor in maemo? (would rock when using x2x) May 25 09:55:14 Khertan: i read that, but I don't see why :D May 25 09:55:20 hm.... usb-speeds of the N900 are really top-notch i gotta admit May 25 09:55:20 chadi: or just combined, afaik May 25 09:55:27 gah, server is slow May 25 09:55:31 Thanks, wutr. I will see if anyone here can hopefully help me. :) First of all I am trying to locate where the file or configuration of the desktop shortcut for any bookmark, be it saved or just added from the browser as a shortcut. Second, I am trying to find out have to create a regular shortcut, as I prefer the smaller icon on my desktop, to open URLs. Third, well, I would like to not have the bookmark window to open first; a May 25 09:55:31 bit annoying. May 25 09:55:56 TTilus: i've seen something about that somewhere (in connection with using bluetooth mice) - might've been the wiki May 25 09:56:03 chadi: first boot after FIASCO flash will write some data to eMMC, and if you flash eMMC after that the data is lost May 25 09:56:39 BCMM: ah, bt-mouse May 25 09:56:43 wutr: I don't mind loosing data, I have a backup, and i'm backing up my /home May 25 09:56:56 chadi: No it's about some system data May 25 09:57:15 wutr: okay, thanks May 25 09:57:21 don't know exactly what though, but that's the story behind the "don't reboot between FIASCO and VANILLA" May 25 09:57:23 hang on, one needs to flash two images? May 25 09:57:24 /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 -F /Users/sejo/Downloads/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R gives me this: To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image May 25 09:57:56 is this the procedure i should follow? https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux May 25 09:58:09 as in, "sudo flasher-3.5 -F -f -R"? May 25 09:58:11 BCMM affirm May 25 09:58:19 sejo: i suppose /User isn't a true path May 25 09:58:34 eh? it is May 25 09:58:36 any idae about the difference between global and UK versions? May 25 09:58:50 Users is May 25 09:59:01 hu? i don't have anywhere on my boxes ever seen /Users in my / May 25 09:59:20 thats a windows 7 path May 25 09:59:27 Wait... 1.2 comes with a new eMMC image? May 25 09:59:30 no that is a Mac OSX path May 25 09:59:32 DokterW: wasn't there something like "shortcut.desktop" for each shortcut? May 25 09:59:35 huh. May 25 09:59:38 ahhhhhhhhhhh... but why do you use then /usr/bin? Ö.ö May 25 10:00:01 http://www.pawprintspad.co.uk/pan1.jpg delivered pandora :) May 25 10:00:05 mikki-kun: because that's where the flasher gets installed? May 25 10:00:26 i wish i didnt cancel my pandora order May 25 10:00:37 my linux is a 64 bit (no 32bit libs) May 25 10:00:41 so can't use it May 25 10:00:45 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Windows <--- that'll help i think May 25 10:00:53 pupnik: holy shit, they finally managed to build and ship them? May 25 10:00:57 ccooke: you don't *need* the new eMMC image May 25 10:01:17 timeless_mbp: what's in it, then? May 25 10:01:30 there is an update, which iirc fixes the volume icon's compatibility with certain linux platforms May 25 10:01:35 -.- ok now we got, and now we know we wont get meego May 25 10:01:44 beyond that, i don't recall many changes to it May 25 10:01:57 timeless_mbp: Excellent. May 25 10:02:01 someone could of course get the old and new images and compare them May 25 10:02:13 joppu: trickling out the door May 25 10:02:17 i don't maintain the eMMC image itself, although i'm more involved w/ it than most May 25 10:02:28 * wazd bumps the skype video call question May 25 10:02:40 anyone has had any problems with the kernel-module-cifs package? I had an error during installation, and I get errors when I try to uninstall it as well, and the package stays installed May 25 10:03:07 so a friend of mine with a uk n900 tried a skype video call to a mac May 25 10:03:16 it didn't work, whichever initiated the call May 25 10:03:32 timeless: new toolbar in the browser rocks :) May 25 10:04:02 do I loose my settings when flashing the new image or should I wait for the OTA-update? May 25 10:04:11 timeless_mbp: the new font rendering in the browser rocks too May 25 10:04:13 Treibholz, use the backup app May 25 10:04:39 Treibholz: i will let loose my wrath upon thy representation if thy dost not lose that excess 'o' when thou next attempt to write 'lose' May 25 10:04:45 Treibholz: depends May 25 10:04:45 lcuk: so I need to reinstall all packages? May 25 10:04:46 s/will/shall/ May 25 10:04:48 timeless_mbp meant: Treibholz: i shall let loose my wrath upon thy representation if thy dost not lose that excess 'o' when thou next attempt to write 'lose' May 25 10:04:48 [11:52:11] FIQ: no? May 25 10:04:58 just what i though May 25 10:05:04 timeless_mbp: I am sooooo sorry. May 25 10:05:12 hmm May 25 10:05:15 should I download both fiasco and vanilla images to reflash emmc, one on eis the subset of another? May 25 10:05:23 Treibholz: you lose settings from some 3rd party applications May 25 10:05:32 Treibholz: historically depressing anecdote : the "tetris" clone used to say "Game Over You Loose" May 25 10:05:43 which is basically a good way to call 50% of the population a slut May 25 10:05:51 bleh can't upgrade have a preproduction one May 25 10:05:52 :D May 25 10:05:54 (well, one doesn't typically call men sluts, so...) May 25 10:06:04 is PR1.2 out yet? May 25 10:06:06 ;) May 25 10:06:11 wutr: That works fine if I want to start an application, but not so well if I want to launch a specific URL as MicroB, for some odd reason, wants to launch the bookmarks window each time. May 25 10:06:12 timeless_mbp: really, I felt embarrassed, as soon, as I read what I wrote... May 25 10:06:13 baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah May 25 10:06:13 :D May 25 10:06:18 ~curse hildon-live-search May 25 10:06:35 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, hildon-live-search ! May 25 10:06:54 and javascript text entry May 25 10:07:06 Treibholz: as you can see, the bot here supports a limited 's/ooops/oops/' notation, so you can express your embarrassment by trying to correct your most recently written line :) May 25 10:07:15 but it's ok :) May 25 10:07:32 wutr: I have also had no luck in finding .desktop file for bookmark shortcuts on the desktop. I have looked in /usr/share /etc and /home/user. must be in some conf file somewhere that I have not stumbled across, yet. May 25 10:07:41 i wonder whether i should update May 25 10:07:44 DokterW: /usr/bin/browser —url whatever doesn't do what you want? May 25 10:08:16 lcuk: you should explain to me why i need to do raise TypeError("whatever") for my ctypes to start working properly May 25 10:08:17 your client turns two - into a long dash? May 25 10:08:20 * timeless_mbp kicks ham for being unbearably slow May 25 10:08:22 timeless_mbp: that works great, but it still, for some odd reason, opens the bookmark window too. :( May 25 10:08:30 jaska: either my client or my os, not quite sure which :) May 25 10:08:44 DokterW: bugs.maemo.org has a 'Browser' product May 25 10:08:48 should I download both fiasco and vanilla images to reflash emmc, or one is the subset of another? May 25 10:09:07 chadi: different parts, neither is a subset of either May 25 10:09:11 if you can't find a bug complaining about that behavior, feel free to file one, be sure to include the command line you're using, your preconditions (no open windows) and your expected results :) May 25 10:09:18 jaska: thank you May 25 10:09:19 (and actual results...) May 25 10:09:34 chadi: if you have to ask, you shouldn't use them :) May 25 10:09:41 chadi: check the wiki about the firmware update and the eMMC part @ http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware May 25 10:09:42 what's wrong w/ using SSU ? May 25 10:09:56 DoktwerW: that's where my knowledge stops :P May 25 10:10:20 i have directories that are duplicated in the file manager (and that lead to the same place), i'd like to get rid of that May 25 10:10:32 chadi: if you mean the ones w/ pretty icons May 25 10:10:35 timeless_mbp: oki. thanks. May 25 10:10:38 just ignore them May 25 10:10:46 iirc updating doesn't fix that May 25 10:11:06 timeless_mbp: is that a bug? May 25 10:11:09 After this operation, 18,4MB of additional disk space will be used. May 25 10:11:09 frals, mm? May 25 10:11:09 You are about to do something potentially harmful. May 25 10:11:09 does that means May 25 10:11:18 chadi: yes May 25 10:11:22 that i'm going to fill up root if i continue? May 25 10:11:22 :p May 25 10:11:34 timeless_mbp: oh, I thought I was the only one having this problem May 25 10:11:49 fine, then. I'll flash fiasco image only May 25 10:11:59 hm, yep May 25 10:12:00 lol May 25 10:12:11 chadi: again, why not let the system update over the air? May 25 10:12:18 flashing should be a method of last resort May 25 10:12:32 not a "ooh, i like burning down my house and starting over with a new prefab" May 25 10:12:34 seriously, people :) Can anybody help me with skype video call? May 25 10:12:44 wazd: eh? May 25 10:13:08 timeless: how can I do this from n900? I don't have any visible option :( May 25 10:13:08 * timeless_mbp grumbles May 25 10:13:21 hmm May 25 10:13:26 looks like so May 25 10:13:33 * FIQ need to clean up his rootfs May 25 10:13:37 wazd: couldn't get it to work May 25 10:13:39 timeless_mbp: I prefer that it wipes all my applications May 25 10:14:03 wazd: it only appears in landscape and sometimes needs poking from the toolbar menu May 25 10:14:05 chadi: well… if you *like* burning down your house, i guess you're free to do so May 25 10:14:13 achipa: meh :D May 25 10:14:17 timeless_mbp: heh May 25 10:14:18 since it takes me over an hour to reinstall my apps, i'm not one of those pyro's May 25 10:14:31 timeless_mbp: err, backup/flash/restore ? May 25 10:14:41 achipa: the restore step is hardly fast May 25 10:14:44 i did it last night May 25 10:14:50 it didn't finish before i finished my dinner May 25 10:14:56 well... depends on how many apps you have, I guess May 25 10:15:02 that included giving it a head start while we walked along outside in the rain May 25 10:15:05 or how fast you eat in that case :D May 25 10:15:13 Hm May 25 10:15:21 achipa: i prefer to digest my dinner May 25 10:15:33 we weren't in a hurry to finish May 25 10:15:33 Is there a way to see what applications that places itself optified and which that doesn't? May 25 10:15:46 i think we started around 7 or so May 25 10:15:50 and ended around 9 May 25 10:15:54 but my memory is bad May 25 10:15:57 FIQ: before or after pr1.2? May 25 10:15:58 maybe it was 7:30 and 9 May 25 10:16:04 valdyn: before May 25 10:16:15 i'm preparing for OTA updating tomorrow May 25 10:16:19 FIQ: before installing or after installing? May 25 10:16:25 and i've 6% of root free May 25 10:16:28 after installing May 25 10:16:29 valdyn: what changed after PR1.2 converning optifying? May 25 10:16:42 FIQ: 6% seems a bit low May 25 10:16:43 chadi: its pretty much automatic May 25 10:16:50 yes, it is May 25 10:16:56 you don't really want to see what applications are optified May 25 10:16:59 valdyn: k, thanks May 25 10:17:07 so much as which things are not optified and are taking up too much space May 25 10:17:08 morning all May 25 10:17:19 i'm sure someone wrote a script to do that May 25 10:17:21 chadi: that means that even non-optified apps should be covered and not take much in / May 25 10:17:34 valdyn: that's great May 25 10:17:54 ok, and where can i find that script? May 25 10:18:18 i need more space but i don't want to uninstall everything at random. : May 25 10:18:19 ;p* May 25 10:18:24 is there any reproducable reason for none meego on n900, else than making provit with new devices? May 25 10:18:36 timeless_mbp I used that script, and it bricked my device :) May 25 10:18:42 hm, that feeled iPhonestyle May 25 10:18:46 felt* May 25 10:19:00 "NO FEATURE FOR U, PLEASE CHANGE PHONE" May 25 10:19:02 heh May 25 10:19:03 lol May 25 10:19:34 Nice way to brick phones... May 25 10:19:39 ooh, i just got email saying pr1.2 was approved May 25 10:19:48 might be architecture problem with meego May 25 10:19:59 its developed on n900 how should this come May 25 10:20:00 http://joppu.22.fi/f/Screenshot-20100525-131447.png they removed the fake equalizer bars :D May 25 10:20:00 FIQ: http://pastebin.com/2i2VENtB May 25 10:20:17 if not i think ppl will make it available anhway May 25 10:20:25 this is free soft May 25 10:20:29 ware May 25 10:20:30 joppu, yep, I suggested that actually :> May 25 10:20:31 huh May 25 10:20:41 *foss May 25 10:20:41 there's now a play button with cicle thing rolling around May 25 10:20:41 oh lol May 25 10:20:44 I have video-calls option in contacts enabled, but still nothing May 25 10:20:45 I'm late to the party May 25 10:20:55 * Shapeshifter throws confetti May 25 10:21:04 free as in freedom i meant May 25 10:21:09 :) May 25 10:21:27 wazd: nothing as in what? no video call button in each skype contact? May 25 10:21:44 ok what is prefered flashing complete or do the i hack it do teath variant :D May 25 10:21:49 valdyn: yep May 25 10:22:07 wazd: i'm not sure 1.2 includes skype-video... May 25 10:22:23 oh May 25 10:22:26 maybe it does :) May 25 10:22:27 * timeless_mbp shrugs May 25 10:22:35 timeless_mbp: well, it has an option :) May 25 10:22:37 leaked pr1.2 had it May 25 10:22:51 timeless_mbp: and it was mentioned in press release :) May 25 10:22:54 it *says* it does, but I'm still waiting for confirmation as to what exactly is needed for it to work May 25 10:23:00 as it seems to be a hit or miss May 25 10:23:09 valdyn: just because a leaked version has a feature doesn't mean it'll ship May 25 10:23:16 timeless_mbp: yes, i know May 25 10:23:25 so where can we see qt4.6 goodness? May 25 10:23:39 qt.com? :) May 25 10:23:48 who asked about skype video? Anyway I have, in contacts with skype three options now instead of only two. Skype IM, Skype call and Skype video call May 25 10:23:57 So, today is the second coming. Does dthat mean tomorrow is the apocolypse? @) May 25 10:24:01 okej May 25 10:24:05 ppås May 25 10:24:07 oops May 25 10:24:09 hee May 25 10:24:23 mh. I can't find any info on how much space on rootfs is needed, or if it's even possible to "update" instead of reflash. May 25 10:24:37 alterego: commercial support for the apocalypse has been cancelled due to user experience on resistive screens May 25 10:24:48 Shapeshifter, a bunch and yes :) May 25 10:24:58 hmm May 25 10:25:15 it says "Command not found" when i try to run the shell script May 25 10:25:20 * Shapeshifter prepares for breakage May 25 10:25:39 FIQ: The flasher? May 25 10:25:48 /bin/sh: ./freespace.sh: not found May 25 10:25:58 lol? May 25 10:26:06 FIQ, wtf? May 25 10:26:21 tabbing to it works fine May 25 10:26:24 does it have x bit? May 25 10:26:26 but it doesn't want to run May 25 10:26:27 yes May 25 10:26:47 what about: sh -c ./freespace.sh May 25 10:26:51 -rwxr-xr-x 1 user users 692 2010-05-25 12:24 freespace.sh May 25 10:26:52 what does it say? May 25 10:27:22 sh: ./freespace.sh: not found May 25 10:27:26 hm May 25 10:27:57 FIQ, dos2unix - if you ever edited the file in windows potentially you have crlfs May 25 10:27:59 and sh freespace.sh? May 25 10:28:01 no freespace ;) May 25 10:28:01 Trizt: ping May 25 10:28:12 [12:30:26] FIQ, dos2unix - if you ever edited the file in windows potentially you have crlfs May 25 10:28:15 i took it from pastebin May 25 10:28:15 my rootfs has 0b free and i cant find where the space has gone :\ May 25 10:28:40 heh May 25 10:28:40 so are there any apps that use qt 4.6 May 25 10:28:43 http://pastebin.com/2i2VENtB - from that May 25 10:28:44 * timeless_mbp gets "(no applications") May 25 10:28:47 fiq via what means, just try it tho May 25 10:28:51 s/")/)"/ May 25 10:29:15 timeless_mbp: refresh the repos May 25 10:29:15 X-Fade, maemo.org news isnt chronological May 25 10:29:20 bleh May 25 10:29:21 FIQ: the file needs to be there obviously May 25 10:29:22 /bin/sh: dos2unix: not found May 25 10:29:24 joppu: from the task launcher :) May 25 10:29:28 valdyn: it is May 25 10:29:29 D: May 25 10:29:35 i can tab to it May 25 10:29:39 i see it in ls May 25 10:29:40 etc May 25 10:29:40 lcuk: It isn't intended to be? May 25 10:29:41 FIQ: ls ./freespace.sh May 25 10:29:53 lcuk: it is sorted by relevance? May 25 10:30:10 so, today and tomorrow there will be a new update :) May 25 10:30:28 [12:32:10] FIQ: ls ./freespace.sh May 25 10:30:28 When is PR1.2 out (in the UK)? May 25 10:30:35 outputs ./freespace.sh May 25 10:30:35 today May 25 10:30:44 http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ May 25 10:30:47 crashanddie, i ve problem installing pyqt on pr1.2 May 25 10:30:59 FIQ: then "sh ./freespace.sh" will work May 25 10:31:12 FIQ: but it will throw at least one error if you dont do this as root May 25 10:31:39 hm, then it actually tried to run it May 25 10:31:44 and, it outputted 2 May 25 10:31:44 try to runa s root May 25 10:31:50 Khertan, try installing healthcheck May 25 10:31:57 hmm May 25 10:31:59 it works on pr1.2 (i know ive had it for a while) May 25 10:32:02 wait a bit May 25 10:32:03 there was pretty cool video of roller coaster May 25 10:32:06 i'm already rppt May 25 10:32:06 FIQ: cant do anything useful when not run as root May 25 10:32:08 root* May 25 10:32:10 then check what its dependencies are May 25 10:32:12 lol May 25 10:32:17 "#" @ PS1 May 25 10:32:27 lcuk, it use only some modules of pyqt 4.6 May 25 10:32:33 Any common 'the upgrade will brick your device if you've done foo' stories? May 25 10:32:41 midas_: Ah! May 25 10:32:48 midas_: _now_ I understand the delay. May 25 10:32:50 meh, tomorrow a update, better update all my extra-devel crap :P May 25 10:32:53 : not found.sh: line 5: May 25 10:32:57 line 5 is empty May 25 10:32:59 midas_: Everyone was waiting for the UK release to be ready. May 25 10:33:20 FIQ: sounds like you have dos2unix issues ? May 25 10:33:30 FIQ: borked cut & paste May 25 10:33:33 yep, global wont be to tomorrow SpeedEvil May 25 10:33:49 hm, can anybody tell me how i can make a video-call to a contact via skype? (it is at least advertised) May 25 10:33:54 lcuk, i ve just create a new dist in my repository : fremantle-1.2 :) May 25 10:33:56 dos2unix didn't run May 25 10:34:02 "dos2unix: not found" May 25 10:34:09 * timeless_mbp cries May 25 10:34:14 mikki-kun: make a call and pick video call from the toolbar menu May 25 10:34:17 what the heck is going on here? May 25 10:34:26 FIQ: get the file straight: "http://valdyn.org/optify.sh" ( and click through the silly ssl warnings ) May 25 10:34:30 hmm, its probably easier to backup and reflash rather than try and upgrade in place May 25 10:34:33 FIQ: get the file straight: "https://valdyn.org/optify.sh" ( and click through the silly ssl warnings ) May 25 10:34:38 FIQ: first url was wrong May 25 10:34:44 does /home/ get removed when you reflash? May 25 10:34:45 whaaat May 25 10:34:56 that rollercoaster game is epic! May 25 10:34:58 PhonicUK2: no May 25 10:35:06 cool May 25 10:35:06 i think MyDocs is keeped May 25 10:35:25 ah, SpeedEvil gave a better answer May 25 10:36:01 midas_, is it on ovi already? May 25 10:36:15 whats the easiest way to reflash from windows? May 25 10:36:18 can PC suite do it? May 25 10:36:21 PhonicUK2: Only stuff in / is there May 25 10:36:29 ok May 25 10:36:31 PhonicUK2: Wait till you get the over-the-air update? May 25 10:36:34 ZogG_N900: dunno, watched the movie just yet May 25 10:36:39 I recommend just following the instructions here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing May 25 10:36:40 PhonicUK2, to install ubuntu and reflash May 25 10:36:42 Only the stuff in / is removed, rather May 25 10:36:43 the OTA update is causing hell May 25 10:36:44 and will be waiting for over the air May 25 10:36:54 because ive run out of space on root May 25 10:36:55 midas_, the movie is old May 25 10:37:08 OUCH ! KhtEditor works very well on PR1.2 ... it s fast ! May 25 10:37:16 PhonicUK2: Worked for me - with 45m free May 25 10:37:26 i started with about 32MB free May 25 10:37:28 now i have 0 May 25 10:37:46 is khtEditor like pygtkeditor but qt? May 25 10:37:52 yep :) May 25 10:37:56 nice May 25 10:37:56 but will be better May 25 10:38:00 ty May 25 10:38:02 what's your repo again? May 25 10:38:03 pluggin support May 25 10:38:14 mece, still not available yet as binary May 25 10:38:20 ok May 25 10:38:21 as many things are still missing May 25 10:38:26 PhonicUK2: Trust nokia. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s46SgIBpQ-Q May 25 10:38:37 but... if that does what i think it do, why did Nokia put it in rootfs? May 25 10:38:40 where is flash May 25 10:38:46 but you can follow dev and particip if you want on http://gitorious.org/khteditor/ May 25 10:38:47 give it to me May 25 10:38:48 I don't trust nokia, and i work for them :P May 25 10:39:02 in first place i mean May 25 10:39:43 currently there is hilighting for Python only, auto rotation is working, also indent/unindent, comment, save, open, save as, new ... what are missing is preferences May 25 10:39:51 recent files May 25 10:40:04 execute May 25 10:40:12 and hilight for other language May 25 10:40:16 PhonicUK2, work as? May 25 10:40:24 once this done i think i ll made a first 0.0.1 version May 25 10:40:27 Software engineer, but nothing to do with handsets May 25 10:40:46 after that i ll work plugin ... like a syntax checker May 25 10:40:47 ZogG_N900, http://wiki.maemo.org/Flashing May 25 10:40:54 and maybe pylint integration May 25 10:41:00 PhonicUK2, what kind of software if it's not a secret? May 25 10:41:04 Khertan: I don't bloody believe it - they just chucked out qtscript May 25 10:41:11 Khertan sounds cool. I'm pretty happy with pygtkeditor, but it gets a little slow with big files. May 25 10:41:12 http://joppu.22.fi/f/vidyacall.png May 25 10:41:25 cool. Let's rewrite shepherd one more time... GRRRR May 25 10:41:29 achipa, :) May 25 10:41:30 a piece of software we use internally for the quality control process surrounding the subscriber data management team May 25 10:41:38 * SpeedEvil ponders filing the bug 'Video call makes me look ugly'. May 25 10:41:46 Gtalk video is working quite nicely May 25 10:41:47 joppu, I couldn't get videocall to work from my N900 to friends mac. May 25 10:41:57 on skype May 25 10:41:59 achipa, anyway i install py-qt4-gui and py-qt4-core it s currently the only module i use in khteditor May 25 10:42:09 mece, say what? May 25 10:42:12 it seemed fine from my side, but the other part didn't see a picture May 25 10:42:25 how can i find out where space on / has gone? May 25 10:42:31 ZogG_N900, sorry, missunderstood May 25 10:42:44 ) May 25 10:42:51 PhonicUK2: du -x / | sort -rn >,lst May 25 10:42:54 Khertan: that's not the problem, the point is that libqt4-maemo5 HAD those modules. I mean, what next ? Will they toss out webkit on networking in PR1.3? May 25 10:42:55 PhonicUK2: unmount other filesystems - take the back off - and then find / -size +100k -mtime -2 May 25 10:43:00 Oh - stupid busybox. May 25 10:43:05 s/on/or/ May 25 10:43:05 achipa meant: Khertan: that's not the problem, the point is that libqt4-maemo5 HAD those modules. I mean, what next ? Will they toss out webkit or networking in PR1.3? May 25 10:43:37 I strongly doubt there will be a 1.3 May 25 10:43:46 achipa, is there pr1.2 May 25 10:43:59 pr1.3 May 25 10:44:03 i meant May 25 10:44:20 It would have been lovely if there was a 'So, you're contemplating using library 'x' on your software' page. Which listed libraries, and their possible already-on-device variants. May 25 10:44:30 no idea, just saying 'next PR' May 25 10:44:39 hm, skype video call is really buggy May 25 10:44:57 and no, i can't see my video being sent May 25 10:45:04 achipa, there would be no next pr May 25 10:45:36 meego not comming as well May 25 10:45:41 it's funny May 25 10:45:43 ZogG_N900: if they keep on removing packages that ARE going to be in meego it might be an advantage May 25 10:46:02 there will be no 1.3 unfortunately May 25 10:46:07 ZogG_N900: there is no spoon May 25 10:46:34 and no cake May 25 10:46:39 really wazd how do you know? May 25 10:46:40 * SpeedEvil has spoon. May 25 10:46:46 Shapeshifter: The cake is a lie anyway May 25 10:46:47 when teh meego phone is coming? May 25 10:46:49 we r doomed May 25 10:47:16 how old is nexus one? May 25 10:47:21 hmm May 25 10:47:30 performance issuces May 25 10:47:33 lcuk: well, let's say "I was told" :P May 25 10:47:35 so the "supported" software/upgrade lifecycle for N900 is 6 months ? and I thought mobile purchases were a 2 year consumable, I suppose its one way to ensure the user base buys another one, ha ha May 25 10:47:39 whatever, guess i will get rid of it soon May 25 10:47:50 nice with a lot of space in root fried. :p May 25 10:47:56 why all this speculation about no support for n900? May 25 10:48:03 indeed May 25 10:48:10 zaheerm: PR1.2 came out with 'no commercial support of meego for n900' May 25 10:48:15 [12:50:04] so the "supported" software/upgrade lifecycle for N900 is 6 months ? and I thought mobile purchases were a 2 year consumable, I suppose its one way to ensure the user base buys another one, ha ha May 25 10:48:16 because most people are whiny bitches May 25 10:48:24 because of the nokia policy May 25 10:48:25 there has been 4 upgrades for Maemo May 25 10:48:26 hm, no, video call is not working with skype... May 25 10:48:29 i know people working on maemo 5 still so there is definitely support May 25 10:48:29 well its not entirely speculation, ah Stskeeps beat me to it ^^^^ May 25 10:48:31 is anyone surprised? May 25 10:48:36 not counting the prereleases May 25 10:48:46 this sucks May 25 10:48:50 im gna have to reflash May 25 10:48:51 nice, the facebook chat account just duplicated all my contacts !? May 25 10:48:51 meh May 25 10:48:54 but lets return to the video call case :) May 25 10:49:00 just because meego is not commerically released for n900 doesn't mean we end with PR1.2 May 25 10:49:01 MeeGo is pretty much open source May 25 10:49:05 how can I install Microsoft fonts on maemo? May 25 10:49:06 joppu: you have done it as I see? May 25 10:49:07 mikki-kun: skype video is working for me May 25 10:49:12 people will hack it in, be sure with that. :) May 25 10:49:30 isn't there any script to merge contact with identical names? May 25 10:49:33 dabelhotel: hm... funny, cause i tried now 3 versions of skype May 25 10:49:39 dabelhotel: do you have dedicated option to video call along with chat and phone call? May 25 10:49:42 windows version, linux and the n900's May 25 10:49:42 * odin_ has faith in the MeeGo N900 adaptation team May 25 10:49:50 joppu, there was some article about it May 25 10:50:13 every time i start the n900's video call i can't send/receive video May 25 10:50:20 odin_, not the same May 25 10:50:23 thats weird May 25 10:50:25 wazd: i video called the n900 from windows, then the video option button appeared after accepting the call May 25 10:50:33 it's cool when device is kinda computer May 25 10:50:33 i turned off my N900 and now its got a progress bar going across the screen? May 25 10:50:35 whats it doing? May 25 10:50:36 dabelhotel, from what to what are you skype video calling? May 25 10:50:55 mece: windows 7, latest skype version May 25 10:51:06 but to have support is good feeling May 25 10:51:08 FIQ, 4 upgrades, sure you make it sound good, the number of upgrades is higher than 4 if your count every change and this is good, but putting a product that has a 1 to 2 years MINIMUM lifetime on back burner within 6 months of it FIRST going on sale, is not good May 25 10:51:11 ok, anyone got N900-mac skype video calling working? May 25 10:51:11 "Nokia updater service is unavailable" ... May 25 10:51:13 mikki-kun, u have bad karma May 25 10:51:15 facking nokia May 25 10:51:37 PhonicUK2, what are you trying to achieve? May 25 10:51:46 just trying to upgrade to pr 1.2 May 25 10:51:51 but my phone is doing a funny May 25 10:51:51 mece, it failed for my mate who has a uk phone May 25 10:52:00 mece: i'll try mac now May 25 10:52:01 Hm May 25 10:52:12 ZogG_N900, yes I understand its not the same and agree, but its the best we get and sometime one can have more faith in oneself than the current vison of the Nokia corp entity May 25 10:52:13 Why does UK get it before everyone else? May 25 10:52:17 zaheerm, same for me.. well I called friends mac, and it seemed fine from my side but he didn't see pic. May 25 10:52:19 odin_: you sould supprised? May 25 10:52:20 is there a logic behind it? May 25 10:52:25 sound even May 25 10:52:42 uhm May 25 10:52:46 odin_, if specifications and drivers would go open May 25 10:52:47 why cant we manually assist the gps lock? May 25 10:52:48 mece: n900-n900 works, n900-windows works, n900-linux doesn't (for skype) May 25 10:52:48 dabelhotel: oh May 25 10:52:51 FIQ, everyone has it. OTA doesn't go all at once, and UK got delayed last time, so it's only fair. May 25 10:52:58 havent you checked the n8xx or n7xx development? May 25 10:53:01 ah May 25 10:53:06 linux buddies are too painful to look at apparently May 25 10:53:13 dabelhotel: can't do that currently, but I thought one-way call would work as well May 25 10:53:41 well I am in the UK (with a UK/NL edition of N900) but its not on my update radar just yet May 25 10:53:45 just asked if there was a logic behind it, i'm fine with waiting 1 more day. :P May 25 10:53:53 So. I had to uninstall mp-fremantle-generic-pr to install the qt 4.6 from the SDK repo to be productive. now it seems like I can't oft update because it doesn't find the update. any hints? May 25 10:54:27 achipa, is there skypo vid on linux? (besides on N900)? May 25 10:54:35 Shapeshifter, to wait May 25 10:54:37 Shapeshifter: use the flasher? May 25 10:54:44 achipa: n900-windows does not work for me... May 25 10:54:48 mece: yes ? on 2.0+ May 25 10:54:50 mece, sure May 25 10:55:03 this http://maemo.org/packages/view/fb-migrator/ ? May 25 10:55:09 confirmed, skype video call doesn't work with mac either May 25 10:55:11 ZogG_N900: I thought I'll not be notified because I don't have mp-fremantle-generic-pr anymore anyway. May 25 10:55:17 haha May 25 10:55:19 mikki-kun: not saying it ALWAYS works, but I have 7 out of 7 fails for linux people May 25 10:55:22 midas_: the wiki talks about some flasher.exe. I'm on linux. May 25 10:55:27 achipa, so that doesn't work. and apparently not on mac either.. or? May 25 10:55:34 achipa: well, linux-n900 does also not work May 25 10:55:41 midas_: oh nevermind May 25 10:55:49 Shapeshifter, do u have app manager? May 25 10:55:52 i mean, what do we have video-calls for if it is that buggy? May 25 10:55:54 mikki-kun: the direction is irrelevant May 25 10:56:03 n900-linux or linux-n900, it's the same May 25 10:56:09 yeah... just typing linux was "faster" for me ;) May 25 10:56:18 wazd: yup, not working with a mac May 25 10:56:21 achipa: actually it's not irrelevant May 25 10:56:33 crashanddie_: care to explain ? May 25 10:56:44 mikki-kun, u want video call? buy new N and MAYBE U get it May 25 10:56:46 (I did test both) May 25 10:57:00 what should i buy new?! May 25 10:57:05 * SpeedEvil wonders what the state of N900s in the supply chain is. May 25 10:57:16 When did they start coming with pr1.1.1 May 25 10:57:27 i hate google May 25 10:57:30 i got mine with 1.1.0 May 25 10:57:34 achipa: skype supports multiple clients connected at the same time, thus each capability is advertised differently May 25 10:57:36 i love nokia devices May 25 10:57:52 but i hate nokia suppport. and i love google suppport May 25 10:58:07 ZogG_N900, Nokia support is better than Vodafone support ! May 25 10:58:13 make them merge! May 25 10:58:15 haha May 25 10:58:15 lol May 25 10:58:23 it's different things May 25 10:58:32 wazd ask your little contact person to speak to others inside nokia then (he can even speak to me there) and lets set him straight :) May 25 10:58:48 achipa: I can call a mac using the video call button (skype), it shows my video, but mac client doesn't get it/display it. Mac calls n900, and video option doesn't appear May 25 10:58:49 can I read the imei out of some file in /proc or something? May 25 10:58:55 Mobile Network Operators just want to sign you up and f**k you off for 24months, they dont care about software support May 25 10:59:02 interesting way the application manager works May 25 10:59:04 Anyone have a problem with the lens cover becaming loose? The black part is coming of the blue part. :S May 25 10:59:05 shapeshifter: settings/about product May 25 10:59:19 crashanddie_: I know. was asking about the cli though May 25 10:59:19 Shapeshifter: IMEI can be seen if you go to "settings ---> about product" May 25 10:59:20 first it updates, showing packages, then it update again... May 25 10:59:37 and these days, software support is a much more major issue to me in the buying process, since mobiles could finally do things I wanted May 25 10:59:40 mikki-kun: Or if you pop the battery, and look under it May 25 10:59:44 lcuk, anyway maybe we get small fixes May 25 10:59:52 shapeshifter: doubtful, you have to query the phone module for that stuff May 25 11:00:00 SpeedEvil: i assumed that he doesn't want to take the battery out May 25 11:00:05 lcuk: sure I will :D May 25 11:00:07 Tuukka: You can buy the cover seperately. May 25 11:00:07 crashanddie_: ohkay thanks May 25 11:00:25 Tuukka: Also - I'm not sure if that would be covered by warranty May 25 11:01:07 crashanddie: well, the linux client get no video buttons regardless if it is the caller or the callee... which is funny as there IS a cam drawn next to my N900 May 25 11:01:15 and wazd also, one of my contacts says you smell like mouldy kippers ;) should i start telling everyone that :P May 25 11:01:17 hee May 25 11:01:17 I just discovered the long-press on the keyboard! May 25 11:01:28 joppu what does that do+ May 25 11:01:29 ? May 25 11:01:33 fn-key? May 25 11:01:37 long press May 25 11:01:52 ah May 25 11:01:55 sticky fn i suppose May 25 11:01:58 oh, nice May 25 11:01:58 rhat thing May 25 11:02:02 sweet May 25 11:02:03 with t May 25 11:02:11 how did i turn it off? May 25 11:02:21 when i get PR1.2 i mean May 25 11:03:04 hmpf... it seems pr 1.2 made my apps rock-solid... ince started up i can't close em >.< May 25 11:03:07 it's all conspiracy May 25 11:03:08 *once May 25 11:03:12 lcuk: well, I knew that brits have very sophisticated sense of humor, so nothing wrong here I guess May 25 11:03:17 SpeedEvil, somehow the spring inside has gotten loose and now it's pushing the plate apart :/ May 25 11:03:22 where is escape plan? May 25 11:03:23 anyone remember the qt 4.6 videos, demoing all the nice scrolling and such? any app that leverages that? May 25 11:03:57 * lcuk raises a glass to wazd May 25 11:04:03 hows matrix stuff going May 25 11:04:04 my battery is going low May 25 11:04:09 and have you got ogl working for it yet May 25 11:04:39 crashanddie_: I Are you talking about qt4.6 or QML ? May 25 11:04:47 wazd: sophisticated humour? when beckham started dating victoria, the crowds were chanting "oy beckham, does she take it up the arse?" hardly sophisticted May 25 11:05:10 s/ticted/ticated May 25 11:05:18 crashanddie_: there are places in the world where it could count as such :S May 25 11:05:20 Seems like someone ha had similar problems with the lens cover http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48345 May 25 11:05:51 crashanddie: that sounds more irish :D May 25 11:06:02 ZogG_N900, with a stable OS updates dont need to be revolutionary, they need to support a decent stable of your apps - people dont rejoice because notepad got recompiled May 25 11:06:22 crashanddie: Do you have any proof one way or the other? May 25 11:06:44 lcuk: notepad got recompiled???? OMG that's excellent! May 25 11:06:47 :D May 25 11:06:54 you know what i mean :p May 25 11:07:06 * lcuk knows of at least 1 bug in pr1.2 o_O May 25 11:07:09 speedevil: proof? May 25 11:07:25 lcuk: which one would it be? May 25 11:07:35 lcuk, it's not a bug if you don't reveal it. May 25 11:07:39 ok May 25 11:07:46 i need a new name for chromium May 25 11:07:49 lcuk: omg, we need to release PR1.2.1 now! May 25 11:08:01 jacekowski: unobtainium May 25 11:08:04 "write failed after 0 bytes" and "usb_bulk_write: no error" when i'm trying to flash pr1.2? anyone know solution? May 25 11:08:06 Woo! My phone vibrated, and is now berooting. May 25 11:08:06 quick, before anyone detects it May 25 11:08:07 sx0n, sure May 25 11:08:25 crashanddie_: that might work May 25 11:08:29 jacekowski: Manganese May 25 11:08:46 Goldium May 25 11:08:48 or Molybdenum May 25 11:08:53 Platinium May 25 11:08:54 jacekowski: AYCABTG May 25 11:09:01 why the heck do two "cp -r" kill my device, thus render it unusable for a few minutes?! May 25 11:09:11 * SpeedEvil sees hands! May 25 11:09:12 How much space does 1.2 need for allowing OTA flashing? May 25 11:09:12 jacekowski: all your cookies are belong to google May 25 11:09:24 FIQ: shitloads May 25 11:09:33 mikki-kun; too much disk I/O ? May 25 11:09:37 FIQ: Worked for me, with 43488 blocks May 25 11:09:45 FIQ: nobody managed to have that much space on rootfs May 25 11:10:10 Hmmm, i think i'll try to fix the lens cover by myself. The spring just has gotten off of it's "hook" May 25 11:10:21 TriztFromWork: that can't be Ö.ö it's from internal eMMC to internal eMMC and and the files aren't too huge nor too small and too many May 25 11:10:22 rootfs 227.9M 166.3M 57.4M 74% / May 25 11:10:24 enough? May 25 11:10:42 Yeah, what's different about the eMMC image btw? May 25 11:11:05 i'll copy it with my notebook May 25 11:11:09 alterego: probably some logos, legal or images, nothing important May 25 11:11:15 for christ's sake.... that is bad May 25 11:11:24 ~emmcinfo May 25 11:11:28 crashanddie_: no new movie trailer then? May 25 11:11:48 emmcinfo is, like, if you can lose your EMMC, backup everything and flash both the EMMC and Fiasco image. If you don't have time, or feeling risky, only flash the fiasco image. There may be content on the EMMC that we're unaware of. May 25 11:11:49 ~usuk May 25 11:11:51 usuk is, like, you suck May 25 11:12:07 ~thanks May 25 11:12:08 sure thing, crashanddie_ May 25 11:12:20 "write failed after 0 bytes" and "usb_bulk_write: no error" when i'm trying to flash pr1.2? anyone know a solution? May 25 11:12:42 ~pr1.2 May 25 11:12:43 somebody said pr1.2 was here May 25 11:12:48 heh May 25 11:13:03 noma: version, os, etc, our balls ain't made out of crystal May 25 11:13:08 ~pr1.3 May 25 11:13:09 hmm... pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... May 25 11:13:27 ~forget pr1.3 May 25 11:13:27 i forgot pr1.3, crashanddie_ May 25 11:13:33 Umm... May 25 11:13:45 Nokia has the right to use your emails in adverts and other media? May 25 11:13:53 crashanddie_: trying to install pr1.2, now there's leakware in May 25 11:13:56 pr 1.2 is so not cool -.- crashed now my device 3 times in a row -_- May 25 11:14:24 SpeedEvil: where did you read that? Ö.ö May 25 11:15:02 'However by submitting Material to the Service (ovi) you grant nokia a worldwide non-exclusive, assignable, fully paid, royalty free, perpetual and irrevocable license to ysem, copy,m publically perform, display, distribute and modify the Material, and to prepare derivitive works thereof... May 25 11:15:08 ~forget pr1.2 May 25 11:15:08 i forgot pr1.2, crashanddie_ May 25 11:15:30 ~pr1.2 May 25 11:15:36 Noma, reboot pc try again May 25 11:15:41 but only for ovi-things, right? May 25 11:16:00 Hey - I'm gonna flash my N900 with PR1.2 - Do I need to flash eMMC too? May 25 11:16:02 lcuk: let's try May 25 11:16:19 ~pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update May 25 11:16:20 okay, crashanddie_ May 25 11:16:32 ~flashing May 25 11:16:33 its definately easier to backup & reflash :\ May 25 11:16:34 [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 25 11:16:39 the OTA update completely killed my device May 25 11:16:54 mikki-kun: As I read it that applies to mail.ovi.com too May 25 11:17:08 oh, I've found a bug! You can't enter + into "mobile phone" field for your own card May 25 11:17:21 so if i would use ovi to manage my mails i'd allow nokia to sniff in 'em? May 25 11:17:26 good that i am not using that May 25 11:18:17 mikki-kun, sure, because google, yahoo, microsoft or your IsP are so much better and trustworthy May 25 11:18:47 mikki-kun: Oh - never mind - the terms are completely invalid on their face. May 25 11:19:16 mhhhhhhhhh May 25 11:19:19 mikki-kun: At the top 'These terms.... govern your use of the application or website where you saw them.' May 25 11:19:27 I kinda never lose my stuff. but I can't find my micro usb cable. May 25 11:19:28 awesome May 25 11:19:52 Shapeshifter, same thing happened to me. I borrowed from a friend May 25 11:19:53 SpeedEvil: meh - how comforting :S May 25 11:20:01 lcuk: same errors after reboot May 25 11:20:05 hm... now anybody want to explain me why "mount" in xterm states me, that /home/user/MyDocs is rw, but if i wanna copy things it tells me it isn't? May 25 11:20:13 mece: I guess I need to wait until tomorrow when I meet a friend May 25 11:21:18 if i flash the emmc, i need to flash fiasco as well, right? May 25 11:21:30 I wonder what's going to happen to the Legendary thread now :) May 25 11:21:36 I guess PR1.3 ? May 25 11:21:45 you need to flash fiasco and then emmc without rebooting mikki-kun May 25 11:21:50 or PR1.2.1 May 25 11:21:56 so no "-R" flag for the FIASCO image May 25 11:22:00 @ alterego May 25 11:22:14 Anyone care to do a md5sum on their Global PR1.2? Just wanna make sure I don't got a faulty download. May 25 11:22:18 i was only wondering wether a broken eMMC could be flashed without killing the device... May 25 11:22:18 where can i get the FIASCO image? the page with all the images doesn't have link for that May 25 11:23:03 alterego, nothing May 25 11:23:09 yeah, goddamn nokia makes so many "security" mechanisms in there that i need to reflash my device now -_- May 25 11:23:12 561a95bced4e10b7e95d749c08d5c17d RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin May 25 11:23:15 did you see the montage shot of all pictures in first pages May 25 11:24:06 phellarv: 561a95bced4e10b7e95d749c08d5c17d May 25 11:24:43 Shapeshifter: Thanks May 25 11:24:47 can someone tell me what's the fiasco image and where can i get it? :D May 25 11:25:11 Noma: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php May 25 11:25:45 so does FIASCO mean the OS image? May 25 11:25:58 for example RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? May 25 11:26:06 Noma: Yep May 25 11:26:10 * noobmonk3y waves May 25 11:26:12 :/ May 25 11:26:17 hi noobmonk3y :) May 25 11:26:21 :D May 25 11:26:22 and that's what i'm not able to flash now May 25 11:27:10 whos not able to flash what? way to many flashers around today ;) hehehe May 25 11:27:37 * tybollt_ has nothing in HAM May 25 11:27:38 noobmonk3y: i get "wrote failed after 0 bytes" and "usb_bluk_write: no error" when i try to flash pr1.2 May 25 11:27:44 *write failed May 25 11:27:48 guess I'm being fucked by the geoip thing May 25 11:27:48 i flashed pr 1.2 no problem :) May 25 11:27:49 *usb_bulk_write May 25 11:28:04 now to reinstall all my apps :\ May 25 11:28:12 noma - interesting one - the faile message can mean an error in the comman line run though May 25 11:28:25 I also can't remove some of the built in ones that you used to be able to remove May 25 11:28:28 facebook et al May 25 11:28:37 Noma: is the md5 of the fiasco ok? May 25 11:28:59 i go check (the flashing machine is in different room) May 25 11:30:22 * noobmonk3y slaps frals with a trout May 25 11:30:31 * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout May 25 11:30:35 * noobmonk3y lols at the extra flashing machine isea May 25 11:30:42 idea even* May 25 11:30:45 no more trouting, watching 24 series finale! May 25 11:30:50 OOooOOooo May 25 11:30:55 sounds thrilling May 25 11:31:05 such trash May 25 11:31:05 noobmonk3y: my primary pc has 64-bit windows only, so i have to flash it with the 32-bit xp May 25 11:31:13 ahhhhhhhhhhh May 25 11:31:27 Noma, same here - so ive flashed it on my XP box at work xD May 25 11:31:39 hey guys my n900 has been updating for the past 2+hours, is this normal? May 25 11:31:41 * noobmonk3y needs to recover a corrupt excel 2007 file, using excel 2003 - any quick suggestions? :D May 25 11:31:42 moo May 25 11:32:06 compatability poack installed tho May 25 11:32:07 bash247: that just depends on your connection :) May 25 11:32:08 noobmonk3y, you should use visicalc format May 25 11:32:14 * noobmonk3y blinks May 25 11:32:44 Ikarus: its downloaded but its been up updating for ages May 25 11:32:59 lcuk: no chance you can insert the office 2007 comp addon to 2003? May 25 11:33:06 noobmonk3y: sorry May 25 11:33:07 ok, quite stupid mistake from me, i had -k parameter instead of -F... just copypasted the line from a .txt file i made when i flashed the overclocking kernels... May 25 11:33:11 why are you asking me? :D May 25 11:33:22 pr12 + overclocking == ? May 25 11:33:22 weong tabbing lol May 25 11:33:23 i strongly dislike the later MS offices May 25 11:33:29 * lcuk still has 2000 on his machines May 25 11:33:31 Khertan: seems qttest+qtscript will be pushed by Nokia a bit later, so not much to do on my side, when they do it, it will be installable May 25 11:33:31 Noma: told you so ;) May 25 11:33:36 noobmonk3y: yup :D May 25 11:33:39 hehehe May 25 11:33:53 thresh: i didnt tell you this - works fine May 25 11:34:05 lcuk: have to admit loving 2010 May 25 11:34:18 * Shapeshifter hates the fact that themes change the wallpapers May 25 11:34:21 :) May 25 11:34:23 how annoying is that May 25 11:34:23 2010 is a good year May 25 11:34:35 agree May 25 11:34:36 Shapeshifter, mm? make your own theme :p May 25 11:34:43 * noobmonk3y returns back to lcuk's offering - visicalc - wasn't/isn't that the oldest spreadsheet program around? May 25 11:34:46 but it isnt the year we make contact May 25 11:34:48 yet May 25 11:34:52 noobmonk3y, sure May 25 11:34:55 and its still runnable May 25 11:35:01 * noobmonk3y took a while to catch up there May 25 11:35:03 31 years old May 25 11:35:18 bearing in mind i was probably being born at the same time as visicalc May 25 11:35:22 noobmonk3y: as is suggsted use the fomrat compatibility addon in 2003 for 2007 May 25 11:35:36 i lie .... May 25 11:35:38 woah my xchat sux May 25 11:35:39 i was minus 2 years old May 25 11:35:44 if theres something microsoft used to do right, it was sorta backwards compatability May 25 11:35:48 * noobmonk3y thanks ghostcube May 25 11:36:03 * noobmonk3y doesnt know what that is but will investigatey May 25 11:36:14 lcuk: m$ do good keyboard/mouses May 25 11:36:18 noobmonk3y: its for using 2007 files in 2003 :D May 25 11:36:23 and i must restart xchat brb May 25 11:36:23 hrw: they did, you mean May 25 11:36:33 hrw sure, apart from one keyboard i got was totally broken May 25 11:36:37 ghostcube: i have the compat pack installed, but looks corrupted May 25 11:36:43 hmz, PR1.2 global release in repositories will be tomorrow May 25 11:36:44 hmmmm May 25 11:36:44 ? May 25 11:36:45 the keyboard was split in half May 25 11:36:51 my home keys were so far apart :D May 25 11:36:53 damn cant se anything anyone types brb May 25 11:36:53 hmm, does PR1.2 take less space on / than previous versions? May 25 11:36:55 noobmonk3y: I do not know do they do them still May 25 11:37:06 noobmonk3y: I have 3 m$ keyboards and one mouse May 25 11:37:20 hrw: true, but too expensive for what they are a 1.99 keyboard of ebay is just as good and functional May 25 11:37:31 but gd point the basic ones are great May 25 11:37:51 * Khertan is a bit disappointed ... he have put too much hope in mfe fix with gmail May 25 11:37:57 * lcuk hits noobmonk3y on the head with an IBM clicky May 25 11:38:07 noobmonk3y: I user ergo ones only May 25 11:38:08 real keyboards have weight May 25 11:38:19 oh lol - never got to grips with them May 25 11:38:24 * noobmonk3y giggles May 25 11:38:27 re May 25 11:38:29 noobmonk3y: RSI hurts May 25 11:38:36 Khertan: why dont you use the nokia push mail service with gmail? May 25 11:38:46 question: to use libosso-abook with Qt, must I load it with QLibrary or what? May 25 11:38:49 could we get maybe a meego device with rresistive screen? May 25 11:38:50 * SpeedEvil wonders if people will ever read their terms and conditions before DISTRIBUTING THEM TO MILLIONS OF USERS. May 25 11:38:55 that will be a weighty headache if i threw it at someone May 25 11:38:59 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 May 25 11:39:00 SpeedEvil: no ? May 25 11:39:00 Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. May 25 11:39:01 * SpeedEvil sighs May 25 11:39:06 lcuk: i have a laptop from 1983 sitting on my desk ;) May 25 11:39:24 valdyn, ? May 25 11:39:32 frals? May 25 11:39:37 valdyn, how do this works ? May 25 11:39:52 Khertan: nokia collects your mail and pushes to your phone May 25 11:40:12 valdyn, and how to configure it ? May 25 11:40:40 Khertan: email.nokia.com, set up your accounts, then add your nokia messaging account to the n900 May 25 11:40:52 SpeedEvil: quite an interesting list of EULA problems May 25 11:41:02 oh i ll take a look ... thx May 25 11:41:03 especially as I DO NOT want to accept the terms to the Ovi Store May 25 11:41:22 Ikarus: That was only the highlights - there were more May 25 11:41:29 Ikarus: It's not the ovi store May 25 11:41:33 SpeedEvil: and the private non-commercial purposes May 25 11:41:33 WTF May 25 11:41:38 ofcourse May 25 11:41:42 Khertan: im using it with one @gmail.com and one google hosted business domain and my private mail, so I know it works May 25 11:41:45 Ikarus: It's some poorly defined 'ovi services' thing May 25 11:41:51 most of the EULA is quite invalid here May 25 11:41:57 heck, EULAs are invalid here :) May 25 11:42:15 valdyn, as if i remember last time i check it wasn't compatible with n900 May 25 11:42:37 Khertan: no, it was compatible from n900 release May 25 11:43:00 (was checked with a preproduction device :) ) May 25 11:43:01 Khertan: but its confusing that you dont have to get the nokia messaging client - It's built into n900 email client May 25 11:43:12 yep May 25 11:44:07 yep ... and i'm currently looking how to create an account May 25 11:44:09 it s strange May 25 11:44:48 Khertan: yea, i think the web interface is retarded May 25 11:44:56 Khertan: but its good enough May 25 11:45:18 but they said me that the software is already on my n900 when i want to create an account May 25 11:45:31 SpeedEvil: it's always interesting though, EULA May 25 11:45:32 s May 25 11:45:50 SpeedEvil: I mean it's not like they actually give legal powers to Nokia May 25 11:46:28 valdyn, so how to create it ? May 25 11:46:36 and where to configure it on n900 May 25 11:46:41 it s far from being clear May 25 11:46:53 Khertan: yea, it changed a little probably May 25 11:47:00 Khertan: not to the better May 25 11:47:24 Khertan: i just log in on web and add/modify email accounts May 25 11:47:40 Khertan: on the n900 you create a new email account and select nokia messaging provider May 25 11:48:45 *IF* nokia messaging is available with your SIM (duh) May 25 11:49:03 why would it be bound to a sim? May 25 11:49:06 so can one upgrade to 1.2 without reflashing yet? May 25 11:49:13 in uk yes May 25 11:49:14 pigeon: UK peeps May 25 11:49:15 if you're in uk May 25 11:49:22 oh May 25 11:49:26 and if not? May 25 11:49:27 hmmmm was ovi store meant to get an improvement too? or still same old crap? May 25 11:49:30 wait for tomorrow May 25 11:49:37 noobmonk3y: 27th May 25 11:49:38 Fixed the lens cover! Hopefully the old glue will last, cause I didn't add any new. May 25 11:49:40 right, thanks. May 25 11:49:40 noobmonk3y: on thursday, iirc May 25 11:49:44 ahhhh cheers valdyn May 25 11:49:47 thanks Wolfie May 25 11:49:49 ~/lc May 25 11:49:52 FAILED May 25 11:49:58 waiting for that elusive angry birds level pack May 25 11:50:23 should we remove catorise before upgrading, btw? May 25 11:50:33 or will it cohabit with pr1.2 just fine? May 25 11:50:43 Corsac: Works fine. May 25 11:53:16 does PR 1.2 have the skype video chat? May 25 11:53:20 if so, has anyone tried it? May 25 11:54:09 well, i can see "Skype video call" on my n900 :) May 25 11:54:19 nice May 25 11:54:31 anyone wanna try device <-> device? May 25 11:54:32 Some one wrote that it works nicely, it was in "are you satisfied with pr1.2" threat i think May 25 11:54:35 valdyn, didn't see any nokia messaging in isp list May 25 11:55:09 xchat isn't exactly nice on maemo May 25 11:55:31 it works tho May 25 11:55:39 and each update it gets stable May 25 11:55:51 tweaked to be more stable May 25 11:56:00 Khertan: nokia messaging is basically a deal between nokia and your cellular provider May 25 11:56:18 if nokia hasn't made a deal w/ your provider, the option won't appear May 25 11:56:25 the default settings make it unusable May 25 11:56:47 when you try to create an account it will tell you something like "checking for messaging availability" May 25 11:57:25 PR 1.2 is a lie May 25 11:57:32 yeah May 25 11:57:36 not in England its not :P May 25 11:57:45 timeless, oh ... didn't know ... thx ... May 25 11:57:52 not everywhere if you want to flash May 25 11:57:59 i was on global and flashed to the new global version fine :D May 25 11:58:07 lol May 25 11:58:11 timeless_mbp: and if it has, then you can keep wondering why you STILL don't have it, as your provider and Nokia keep pointing fingers at each other :) May 25 11:58:12 timeless_mbp, they block pop3 and imap ... so why autorize other things :) May 25 11:58:19 whats the difference between the Global and country specific versions? May 25 11:58:23 is it just localization stuffs? May 25 11:58:34 PhonicUK: very little at the moment :P May 25 11:59:11 achipa: that's where the fun is :) May 25 11:59:25 im glad i didn't get a network gimped handset :) May 25 11:59:34 debranding ftw on other units though :P May 25 11:59:44 are there actually branded handsets now? May 25 11:59:51 yeah, Vodaphone I think May 25 12:00:04 hmmm not seen any and was in a vodafone store last week - looked generic to me May 25 12:00:15 aware they have firmware though May 25 12:00:29 looks ain't everything :) May 25 12:00:38 my N97 was a T-Mo gimped unit May 25 12:00:43 until I debranded it May 25 12:00:59 I don't think T-Mo have ever passed on a firmware upgrade in a reasonable time frame May 25 12:06:44 Hi! Why is the PR 1.2 for all regions available already, while nokia says it releases tomorrow (26 may)? (UK today, but I need the global one) May 25 12:07:18 OTA is for UK only, comes for everyone else tomorrow May 25 12:07:24 some people are never happy, wutr if the update is ready 24hours before whats the issue? May 25 12:07:25 wutr: because they haven't rolled out all the update packages for SSU yet. The firmware images are out for all regions, yes. May 25 12:07:27 the flash image is available for eveyrone May 25 12:07:40 haha not whining, just curious May 25 12:07:49 maybe they mean the OTA update May 25 12:08:09 SSU = ? May 25 12:08:09 they have DIY update for everyone May 25 12:08:11 i'm officialy surprised May 25 12:08:13 wutr: OTA May 25 12:08:26 that UK has something before rest of the world May 25 12:08:37 ~ssu May 25 12:08:38 [ssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU May 25 12:08:42 ~ota May 25 12:08:46 normally UK version was released later May 25 12:08:54 ~ota is ssu May 25 12:08:55 okay, jacekowski May 25 12:09:01 jacekowski: we had to make up for their previous disadvantaged state :) May 25 12:09:04 thank you ;) May 25 12:09:05 ~ota is ~ssu May 25 12:09:06 ...but ota is already something else... May 25 12:09:22 ~ota May 25 12:09:23 hmm May 25 12:09:23 hmm... ota is ssu May 25 12:09:29 ~ssu May 25 12:09:30 from memory, ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU May 25 12:09:54 btw. my phone is just upgrading May 25 12:09:58 s/phone/tablet/ May 25 12:09:58 jacekowski meant: btw. my tablet is just upgrading May 25 12:10:01 and the vanilla image, 10.2010.13-2, is that the one belonging to PR 1.2 as well? May 25 12:10:01 woo tmo down May 25 12:10:22 wutr: no May 25 12:10:24 oh it's back. just laggy May 25 12:10:25 ~dos May 25 12:10:27 dos is, like, (Disk Operating System) This OS is what got it all started for PCs. Denial of Service... May 25 12:10:30 jacekowski: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 May 25 12:10:30 Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. May 25 12:10:42 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin May 25 12:10:59 heey new record amount of users online. 2513 May 25 12:12:31 jacekowski: that's the firmware itself right? but I thought there would be a new vanilla eMMC image as well.. May 25 12:13:11 wutr: there is May 25 12:13:18 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin May 25 12:13:25 check :)! thanks May 25 12:13:48 radio died May 25 12:13:51 hmhm, and during that time, repo.meego.com has seen quite some moves May 25 12:18:36 aah so glad i reflashed :) May 25 12:18:44 87MB free on rootfs without any messing around May 25 12:19:06 * SpeedEvil checks his boogs. May 25 12:19:47 where is the skype video call option? May 25 12:21:13 yeah, upgrade failed May 25 12:21:18 on not enough space on / May 25 12:21:22 Jesus, 1.2 finally came out May 25 12:21:24 PhonicUK: read here earlier that it's only available in portrait mode and if still not >> options, or tap on it somewhere (?) May 25 12:22:11 TigerTael: i was more likely to believe that jesus has walked on water rather than pr1.2 will came out May 25 12:22:24 haha May 25 12:22:28 lol May 25 12:24:15 So guys, is it AWESOME? :D May 25 12:24:23 meh May 25 12:24:38 i'm reinstalling an arseload of applications May 25 12:24:40 walking on water is easy May 25 12:24:44 then i will look for awesome May 25 12:24:47 just wait for winter May 25 12:24:51 looks like the opengl es packages are broken after upgrade to 1.2 May 25 12:24:58 libgles1-sgx-img: Depends: opengles-sgx-img-common (= 0.20091104.6.1+0m5) but 0.20091104.34+0m5 is to be installed May 25 12:25:04 is there a changelog, or does that not go with nokia's secrecy? May 25 12:25:25 I keep hitting settings on the menu trying to click the old More link that doesn't exist anymore May 25 12:25:35 ~pr.1.2 May 25 12:25:37 ~pr1.2 May 25 12:25:38 from memory, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update May 25 12:25:41 BCMM: there's normally a closed buglist May 25 12:25:43 anyone else have brain party or Nehe tutorials fail to reinstall after upgrade? May 25 12:25:56 the backup application sys that my memory card is read only but it is not :O May 25 12:26:02 asj_: what about enhancements? May 25 12:26:15 BCMM: conversations.nokia.com May 25 12:26:19 thunderfest: brainparty reinstalled fine here (from extras-devel) May 25 12:26:20 thunderfest: Yes, that is a known issue. SDK team is looking at a fix. May 25 12:26:22 asj_: reading now May 25 12:26:26 what do i do nw? May 25 12:26:30 ~flashing May 25 12:26:31 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 25 12:26:32 i wonder if they fixed sync? May 25 12:26:35 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 May 25 12:27:04 no meego for the n900? May 25 12:27:24 BCMM: http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/n900/images/ May 25 12:27:34 :O May 25 12:27:35 404 May 25 12:27:38 wtf May 25 12:27:50 X-Fade: is there a page where I can check the status of the fix? May 25 12:27:56 all images are 404 May 25 12:28:01 summel: "Although Nokia N900 devices are being used for platform development and testing purposes by those involved in the MeeGo project, we don’t have plans for a full scale commercial MeeGo upgrade on the Nokia N900." May 25 12:28:02 netbook images als May 25 12:28:07 release imminent? May 25 12:28:15 BCMM: so what? May 25 12:28:25 it will not come as an update May 25 12:28:28 but thats nothing new May 25 12:28:33 PhonicUK: Maybe I meant landscape instead of portraid, don't remember what it was May 25 12:28:41 i like the removal of the "more" thing on the menu May 25 12:28:45 woho Thanked: 1,000 times \o/ May 25 12:28:52 HOW DO I MAKE AN UPDATE????? May 25 12:29:11 ~update May 25 12:29:14 dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update May 25 12:29:20 errr May 25 12:29:21 lame May 25 12:29:21 backup May 25 12:29:22 does upgrading to 1.2 require flashing my device and erasing everything that is on it? May 25 12:29:25 not update May 25 12:29:26 :P May 25 12:29:34 capslock stuck? May 25 12:29:38 loufoque: no May 25 12:29:48 summel: how do I upgrade then? May 25 12:29:51 loufoque: if you run a backup first, you can restore all the installed things after flashing May 25 12:29:57 and most of the settings May 25 12:30:03 loufoque: wait for the device to tell you that there are updates May 25 12:30:04 ~update firmware May 25 12:30:08 Oli```: backup does not work! May 25 12:30:10 (lets see if that works) May 25 12:30:15 summel: works for me May 25 12:30:16 it says my memory card is read only May 25 12:30:20 summel: it does, but it tells me I need to use some special PC software May 25 12:30:22 it worked for me before :( May 25 12:30:23 which of course I don't have May 25 12:30:34 special PC software = special windows software May 25 12:30:35 loufoque: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware May 25 12:30:36 ~flashing May 25 12:30:38 flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware May 25 12:30:41 but my backup is old May 25 12:30:47 aaah thanks Tuukka May 25 12:30:52 and i want to mak a new one but it does not work May 25 12:30:53 -_- May 25 12:30:54 wutr: that does flash and erase everything. May 25 12:31:07 why the hell did all the series finales suck this year? May 25 12:31:26 X-Fade: is there a page where I can check the status of the opengl es fix? May 25 12:32:17 thunderfest: Don't know. May 25 12:32:24 loufoque: not if you don't flash eMMC I believe, but you can wait for the SSU (I learned something too today ;)) May 25 12:33:54 community -- became the show it wanted to be so satirical of. Bones -- parody of itself; uneventful and anticlimactic season finale case + no interesting b-line story arcs, nor surprises (everyone leaves for a year, ya-fucking-hoo). House -- uneventful and anticlimactic season-finale case. Lost (hated the show, and now I have half the fanbase agreeing with me: it sucked), 24 (admittedly, those two I'm not sad to see go. Lost an May 25 12:35:04 it's like all the writers are on strike, but they asked the cleaners to finish writing the stories. Or maybe the writers are actually trying to bore us to death. May 25 12:35:18 Wacky. Front-cam is not completely shit. May 25 12:35:30 * noobmonk3y kicks frals in the shins May 25 12:35:42 crashanddie, they were on strike May 25 12:35:48 tv hasnt gained its momentum since May 25 12:35:58 some shows did May 25 12:36:08 Some shows handled the mid-season break very nicely May 25 12:36:20 debatable May 25 12:36:30 yes, that's the whole point of "some shows" May 25 12:36:42 Pffffft May 25 12:36:46 hmm no x86_64 maemo_flasher May 25 12:36:55 GAN900: yes? May 25 12:36:57 Any UK users have an OTA update yet? May 25 12:37:03 <- May 25 12:37:03 O_O May 25 12:37:05 wh00t May 25 12:37:10 SWFu64: it's past midnight in the UK, so doubtful May 25 12:37:10 updated my n900 a few hours ago May 25 12:37:25 Can't wait till Qt apps start flooding to repos =) May 25 12:37:31 It's 13.37 here now May 25 12:37:33 crashanddie: midnight? Which UK are you in. It's lunch time :P May 25 12:37:50 crashanddie, MeeGo announcement re: N900 May 25 12:37:50 SWFu64 & alterego: Well, that's still "past midnight" May 25 12:37:57 Oooh there it is. :) May 25 12:37:58 :P May 25 12:38:07 Hahah May 25 12:38:11 Seemed to take a while to appear in app manager May 25 12:38:27 GAN900: yeah well. Stskeeps will be able to keep working on Mer after all. May 25 12:38:49 damnit, mIRC crashing on me again May 25 12:39:02 've been waiting for Skype video calling for some time:) May 25 12:39:11 mIRC :-( May 25 12:39:19 thats a weird bug May 25 12:39:20 and again May 25 12:39:21 GAN900: it's like they can't even make up their minds. Once it's "No, nothing'll be supported", then they release development images, everyone assumes it means we'll get it, and now "Well, we know we have a development environment, but you can still piss off" May 25 12:39:35 GAN900: how many decision makers in Nokia? Too many methinks. May 25 12:39:35 i set my status to "Offline" and the green icon in the status menu says im still online May 25 12:39:46 seems to happen when I click the icon in the windows start bar, or whatever it's called May 25 12:39:50 taskbar? May 25 12:39:59 Just need the monitor mode patchesback and I'm sorted May 25 12:40:13 crashanddie: meh, why mer? May 25 12:40:36 Stskeeps: well, Mer being the fork/branch being that contains an installable package with drivers and shit May 25 12:40:44 .. why? May 25 12:40:46 frals: fresh install testing .... May 25 12:40:49 * noobmonk3y holds his breath May 25 12:40:51 Stskeeps: or "codename" May 25 12:40:54 meego for n900 provides them May 25 12:40:55 :P May 25 12:41:05 frals: failboat express - wooop woooop May 25 12:41:13 Stskeeps: but it won't be supported, so we'll need a "community edition", no/ May 25 12:41:14 ? May 25 12:41:30 is it correct that there is no PR 1.2 image specifically for Europe (non-UK) and that I should use the Global release called RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? May 25 12:41:30 crashanddie: support = nokia answers tech support about it May 25 12:41:54 Stskeeps: I read it more like "we will not provide any images that can be used to install on the n900" May 25 12:41:58 does anyone else not like the new virtual keyboard? May 25 12:42:00 puzzled: yes May 25 12:42:01 i prefered the old one :\ May 25 12:42:01 crashanddie: that's not the reality though May 25 12:42:06 tekojo: thanks May 25 12:42:17 I'm in the UK and I use the global release .. May 25 12:42:18 Stskeeps: I'll believe it when I see it May 25 12:42:23 PhonicUK, you'll get used to it May 25 12:42:27 crashanddie: install the flashable image from codedrop May 25 12:42:27 :P May 25 12:42:28 or... May 25 12:42:30 * noobmonk3y throws frals at MohammadAG May 25 12:42:31 closed image May 25 12:42:39 repackage the old one as a new version and pull in old libraries May 25 12:43:20 which is more open, meego or maemo May 25 12:43:25 meego May 25 12:43:30 meego, sounds of it May 25 12:43:55 then why in gods name are things like codedrop still being used May 25 12:44:05 lcuk: oh baby May 25 12:44:24 Interesting, the N900 codedrop URL isn't working .. May 25 12:44:26 you are right about a community edition crashanddie May 25 12:44:26 actually... the firmware of pr1.2 global is on the nokia site already, too - unlike the announcement in topic May 25 12:44:38 http://meego.com/downloads May 25 12:44:44 i woud love a complete maemo community UX for meego :) May 25 12:44:58 now when are we getting Flash 10 eh? May 25 12:45:05 nice suite of open source apps sat ontop of the open meego stack May 25 12:45:05 or have adobe stopped bothering :P May 25 12:45:24 In fact, none of those links are working for me. May 25 12:45:25 * tybollt_ trouts MohammadAG May 25 12:45:28 Haha, wtf, http://www.lightinthebox.com/N900-Style-Quad-Band-Dual-Card-Dual-Camera-JAVA-Qwerty-Keypad-Cell-Phone-Black--2GB-TF-Card--Original-Price--125-99_p86837.html May 25 12:45:41 frals: ? May 25 12:45:54 * MohammadAG ricochets frals at noobmonk3y May 25 12:46:26 * noobmonk3y farts May 25 12:46:53 how productive May 25 12:47:02 thats a defence mechanism May 25 12:47:10 defense even May 25 12:47:41 SWFu64: a comment on it says: no touchscreen, lmao May 25 12:47:42 since 1.2 is out May 25 12:47:50 I need to access maemo's address book - should I go for libosso-abook/libebook or is it safe already to try Qt Mobility API? May 25 12:47:51 MohammadAG, how was your exam May 25 12:48:02 i can now dd rootfs May 25 12:48:02 and see if what i told DocScrutinizer works May 25 12:48:15 How hard will it be for us to do a "Theme" application category? May 25 12:48:30 not hard at all May 25 12:48:31 like C, it shot me in the foot May 25 12:48:38 In dire need of user/Themes or something May 25 12:48:40 jk, it was python-y May 25 12:48:41 :P May 25 12:48:46 well, you would need to rebuild all packages May 25 12:48:48 noobmonk3y: you suck! May 25 12:48:51 alterego, expand discussion to the mailing list, there will be shouts, if i remember rightly it was hard work organising the current keywords May 25 12:48:51 with changed category May 25 12:49:28 frals: why thank you! May 25 12:49:33 interestingly pr12 feels faster than the warez versions I ran before May 25 12:49:43 alterego: just move themes to different repository May 25 12:49:53 alterego: extras-themes May 25 12:50:05 villemv: warez, lol! May 25 12:50:12 anyone played with Qt Mobility? May 25 12:50:14 noobmonk3y: what failed? May 25 12:50:14 well, unofficial ones May 25 12:50:15 jacekowski: that's a bit of a cop-out solution really :P May 25 12:50:23 DIIEEEE May 25 12:50:33 alterego: nobody gives fuck about themes really May 25 12:50:34 dead May 25 12:50:36 Easy to do, but still .. May 25 12:50:36 roquetto: it should be okay to use qt mobility May 25 12:50:37 :) May 25 12:50:41 frals: well, i did a fresh install - and hoped it would pick up the settings auto-magically - meh it didnt May 25 12:50:48 alterego: so if i could just make them disappear it would be much better May 25 12:50:55 whats your operator and does the settings exist in /etc/operator_settings? May 25 12:50:57 villemv, running real version always tastes sweeter :) May 25 12:51:02 I can finally upgrade to ubuntu 10.04! May 25 12:51:39 jacekowski: :) May 25 12:51:39 villemv: thanks - that sounds easier than mixing Qt code with libosso-abook API May 25 12:51:39 noobmonk3y: if they dont, file a bug! May 25 12:51:39 * noobmonk3y also wishes all themes and things would have their own category and stop cluttering up the applications lists May 25 12:51:39 * noobmonk3y eats the bug and farts May 25 12:51:39 MohammadAG: don't tell me you've been waiting for PR1.2 to do that aswell! :D ^.^ May 25 12:51:39 SWFu64, it even has an gravity sensor lol May 25 12:51:39 roquetto: and you can complain to GNUton-BNC if it breaks ;-) May 25 12:51:43 * roquetto takes notes May 25 12:51:50 villemv: thanks ;) May 25 12:51:51 * noobmonk3y throws the notes at frals May 25 12:51:52 alterego, how'd you know May 25 12:51:54 :) May 25 12:52:02 * noobmonk3y stares at MohammadAG May 25 12:52:04 MohammadAG: well, I've been doing the same :D May 25 12:52:05 ohnoes 1.2 really? :) May 25 12:52:08 lol May 25 12:52:20 cehteh: nope, all a dream, back to sleepies May 25 12:52:21 ok May 25 12:52:30 or was it a nightmare? meh May 25 12:52:32 i thought hell has frozen over May 25 12:52:32 alterego, the 1.1.1 SDK was priceless for me May 25 12:52:46 cehteh: i did see a monkey and a pig flying by this morning though May 25 12:52:57 mmmm bacon May 25 12:53:15 umm May 25 12:53:17 lcuk: i'm gonna ram a veggie sausage up your.... anyway.... nice and sunny everywhere today?! May 25 12:53:18 mmmmh bacon May 25 12:53:21 oh wait May 25 12:53:26 noobmonk3y: it helps so i know if its a bug in fmms or just missing settings in the file May 25 12:53:27 did I disconnect two hours ago? May 25 12:53:27 BLT \o/ May 25 12:53:28 bacon is not PC in here... May 25 12:53:35 * tybollt_ thinks of mohammad and the lads May 25 12:53:38 frals: most likely me, will buggify it :D May 25 12:53:43 i left the irc connected during my exam, thought lcuk would help May 25 12:53:56 MohammadAG: you werent here when i was screaming your name in vain May 25 12:53:57 you had an exam about bacon? May 25 12:54:05 otherwise i cant see how lcuk would be able to help! May 25 12:54:07 frals: pig academy? May 25 12:54:09 frals: pigology - MohammadAG 's speciality ;) May 25 12:54:11 rofl May 25 12:54:32 sits nicely along side his alocohology course May 25 12:54:44 tybollt_, bacon is perfectly acceptible meat based candy food group. May 25 12:54:46 how'd you know that? May 25 12:55:03 lcuk: Not in Israel it isn't May 25 12:55:08 and just like marmite and twiglets will cause debate around the world about whether or not they are edible May 25 12:55:11 noobmonk3y, guess what my 3rd course is May 25 12:55:15 MohammadAG: your studying english right? thats pretty much the study off fat arse bacon eaters and drunks (Just a guess, lol) May 25 12:55:37 lcuk: i love twiglets, hate marmite May 25 12:55:37 noobmonk3y, lol passing my GCEs May 25 12:55:43 lol MohammadAG ;) May 25 12:55:51 mmmh marmite May 25 12:55:53 * tybollt_ drools May 25 12:56:03 my nick should've given off what my 3rd course is May 25 12:56:07 tybollt_, i dont personally like squid or other food groups, that doesnt mean i dislike other people talking about them May 25 12:56:08 weaponary! May 25 12:56:13 :) May 25 12:56:34 DocScrutinizer, adjust the auto kick regex to 1.3 May 25 12:56:37 lcuk: Thing is bacon can get the wrong person go all SHALOM or JIHAD on your ass :)( May 25 12:56:49 ~PR1.2 May 25 12:56:54 so they prefer human bacon? May 25 12:56:55 Hah, Jews eat Bacon too. May 25 12:56:56 LOL @ tybollt_ May 25 12:56:58 * tybollt_ spent som time in Kuala Lumpur - suffice to say I had not much alcohol and bacon during... :-| May 25 12:57:00 meh infobot on holiday? May 25 12:57:10 ~pr1.2 May 25 12:57:13 ~ PR1.2 May 25 12:57:13 hmm... pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update May 25 12:57:15 she hates you May 25 12:57:15 extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update May 25 12:57:16 it has been said that pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update May 25 12:57:20 ~pr1.3 May 25 12:57:20 lcuk: Depends. I know plenty .us jews that eat it not May 25 12:57:26 spambot attack May 25 12:57:28 oh wow May 25 12:57:30 FUCKING STOP THAT FOR FUCKS SAKES May 25 12:57:36 tybollt_: sorry daddy May 25 12:57:44 tybollt_, no it means that some people are unstable anyway. talking about food should not be the cause of angst for people May 25 12:57:45 did it once, no reply, so added a space.... May 25 12:57:53 ~pr1.3 May 25 12:58:01 infobot, yoy're fired May 25 12:58:02 MohammadAG: think you need a space May 25 12:58:03 you* May 25 12:58:03 I think I should have waited until updating PR1.2 May 25 12:58:10 Some of the apps aren't installing correctly .. May 25 12:58:10 lcuk: jajaja May 25 12:58:12 infobot, pr1.3 May 25 12:58:13 alterego: why? no added bacon? May 25 12:58:21 noobmonk3y, nah, it's lagging May 25 12:58:25 lcuk: in any case I am fairly sure we agree - mmmmh bacon :-) May 25 12:58:27 it'll throw 4 messgaes now May 25 12:58:31 she* May 25 12:58:38 * noobmonk3y grins May 25 12:58:46 * MohammadAG shrugs May 25 12:58:56 Thats right May 25 12:59:05 You shouldn't be worried about the jews eating bacon May 25 12:59:06 noobmonk3y, you were missing for about a week May 25 12:59:13 bah May 25 12:59:16 i thought the x-s were the reason May 25 12:59:19 MohammadAG: sorry will also be missing for another week :( May 25 12:59:21 Termana, im not May 25 12:59:28 under a lot of pressure at the mo :( May 25 12:59:37 You should worry about them SLAYING ANIMALS TO APPEASE THEIR GOD May 25 12:59:39 <-- mo May 25 12:59:50 ^ Mo not mo May 25 13:00:00 Oh? May 25 13:00:04 Moo May 25 13:00:05 Go Away, There's nothing to see here May 25 13:00:21 Termana, some of them don't, kosher i think May 25 13:00:23 Myrtti: see where? see what? when? how! WHYYYY!!! May 25 13:00:24 Has anyone here been at a halal slaughter or a kosher slaughter? May 25 13:00:25 * lcuk wanders off and lets the chat topic change May 25 13:00:34 If you haven't well ... don't comment on it :) May 25 13:00:41 * frals lets lcuk change while the topic wonders off May 25 13:00:46 lcuk: I call chicken on you ;P May 25 13:00:50 * noobmonk3y throws the floppy disks of dos 3.0 @ lcuk May 25 13:00:55 http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/25/nokia-updates-n900-to-version-1-2-in-uk-closes-door-on-meego/ May 25 13:01:00 hehe frals May 25 13:01:09 yep they have to diss the N900 May 25 13:01:52 MohammadAG: engadget and gizmodo are sites invented to hype anything out of Apple Inc I suppose May 25 13:01:58 course they will diss a superior device :) May 25 13:02:46 tybollt_, i know May 25 13:02:49 they suck tbh May 25 13:03:04 flash - they mention stevie May 25 13:03:12 hey May 25 13:03:13 Nokia - they mention f ups May 25 13:03:17 MohammadAG, reflashed? May 25 13:03:21 not yet May 25 13:03:24 umm May 25 13:03:30 need to check this bb stuff May 25 13:03:40 going into fedora o/ May 25 13:03:46 but haeh - no meegoo? May 25 13:03:50 that was a surprise May 25 13:04:07 certainly judging from what Stskeeps have been saying May 25 13:04:08 Surprise indeed. May 25 13:04:16 GAN900: no to you- - no way May 25 13:04:21 s/no/not/ May 25 13:04:21 tybollt_ meant: GAN900: not to you- - no way May 25 13:04:25 Nokia deserves what they get. May 25 13:04:37 come now, you knew this ages ago - surely May 25 13:04:43 Nope May 25 13:04:59 I'm not particularly more informed than anybody else on corporate stuff May 25 13:05:00 hm, i can't reflash May 25 13:05:03 No NDA May 25 13:05:09 i don't remember how i managed it last time May 25 13:05:56 GAN900: the 100$ question is why did they feel the need to say it (considering the announcement policy history) May 25 13:06:24 achipa, dunno May 25 13:06:29 GAN900: you're a 24 yo bearded guy, they're scared of you. May 25 13:06:35 22 May 25 13:06:37 Engadget seems to be quite wrong though May 25 13:06:44 there seem to be significant work for it May 25 13:07:20 crashanddie: HAHAHA :) May 25 13:07:20 so perhaps no official release for the N900, but it damn well be used as the development kit for MeeGo May 25 13:07:38 i just assumed the upgrade wont be pushed out over the air (i.e. manual.. for the power users to play with) and they didnt want to get novice users' hopes up? May 25 13:07:44 that is just weird though - innit? May 25 13:08:02 "You will develop the distro on this device but you can never run the official outcome on it" May 25 13:08:09 tybollt_: not really May 25 13:08:17 theres quite a difference between making something work for developrs and supporting it for endusers... i imagine May 25 13:08:21 There is a big difference between an development platform and a commercially supported platform. May 25 13:08:23 frals: exactly May 25 13:08:54 Morning May 25 13:09:20 andrewfblack: morning May 25 13:09:38 morn andrew May 25 13:10:03 * GeneralAntilles 's currently picturing another Fremantle-for-N8x0 Mer-esque situation. May 25 13:10:09 Morning Stskeeps guess its time to dig my N900 out of drawer May 25 13:10:12 I'm really worried the reference shit just isn't going to cut it. May 25 13:10:22 reference? May 25 13:10:42 * GeneralAntilles wouldn't be surprised if Flash 10.1 works with the N900+1 and the N900 but Nokia specifically disallows its use for N900 users. May 25 13:11:04 possible, nokia is in the hardware sale business after all May 25 13:11:05 GeneralAntilles: Meego for N900 has a group of professionals working on it Mer was just community members May 25 13:11:10 frals: considering it will run on the device the only reason they won't officially support it has to be revenue May 25 13:11:16 GeneralAntilles, what are you after with that kind of assumptions? May 25 13:11:28 NOKIA BETRAYED US!!! TRAITORS! May 25 13:11:30 tybollt_: running on device != supporting it for endusers May 25 13:11:49 frals: the ever standing marketing no#1 rule - NEVER _E V E R_ support a new OS/software on an old device. May 25 13:11:51 No freaking meego on the n900 - FAIL May 25 13:11:55 sigh May 25 13:12:03 did you read the 'commercially supported' part May 25 13:12:06 * tybollt_ hones in on Stskeeps May 25 13:12:08 YES May 25 13:12:13 i dongt May 25 13:12:13 Stskeeps: presto! May 25 13:12:19 Stskeeps: we did May 25 13:12:23 andrewfblack, is that supposed to make me feel BETTER? :P May 25 13:12:41 Stskeeps: thing is - will I void warranty installing it? May 25 13:12:44 tybollt_: no May 25 13:12:47 i dont want an os put together by a bunch of pimple faced hackers. i want official release !!!! May 25 13:13:02 Stskeeps: you're fighting a losing battle ;) May 25 13:13:04 GeneralAntilles: did you ever really think Nokia would Offically support a new OS on old device, they only ever did it once with N800 because n810 was just N800 with keyboard May 25 13:13:05 wow that's a lot of exclamationpoints May 25 13:13:07 Surfa, that Nokia is clearly incapable of learning the lessons of the past 5 years, is more than happy to jettison whatever inertia they've built up behind a platform with each new hardware release and hates its customers. May 25 13:13:22 andrewfblack, and the N900+1 is, apparently, just an N900 without. May 25 13:13:23 frals: i'm pondering to go watch a movie May 25 13:13:34 Stskeeps, do that. May 25 13:13:34 frals: that is the point, indeed May 25 13:13:50 nokia give me my money back May 25 13:13:53 Stskeeps: your contempt is duly noted. ;-P May 25 13:13:53 GeneralAntilles, later on you may notice how much too hard you take this all May 25 13:14:01 tybollt_: good question, i'm not sure - there was a thread on this at some point May 25 13:14:07 Surfa, maybe maybe not. May 25 13:14:17 any info when the meego-phone is coming? May 25 13:14:18 GeneralAntilles, calm down and enjoy your great device May 25 13:14:21 Stskeeps: to be honest this is no different then any other company would've done... I'm not really outraged... May 25 13:14:23 huge huge huge fail nokia May 25 13:14:33 stfu and save cash May 25 13:14:37 :) May 25 13:14:38 Surfa, unfortunately I'm not really in that position. May 25 13:14:42 pexi: toy your nokia never May 25 13:14:44 * GeneralAntilles points to the hostmask. May 25 13:15:04 * frals points to his hostmask, mine is cooler! May 25 13:15:06 N900killa, I don't care, I want a new hardware anyway :) May 25 13:15:13 tybollt_, continual sad disappointment. May 25 13:15:23 tybollt_, that's what Nokia brings for its customers and community members. May 25 13:15:31 marvin, is that you? May 25 13:15:32 :P May 25 13:15:43 I'm freaking disappointed nokia - never again am I buying nokia May 25 13:16:00 N900killa: good for you, go complain somewhere else May 25 13:16:05 N900killa, since maemo is open source, what could you add to improve it yourself May 25 13:16:22 nobody cares N900killa, you can go now... May 25 13:16:33 stskeeps: open your fanboy blinders suckers May 25 13:16:40 kind of provoking discussion yep :) May 25 13:16:49 N900killa: first warning, watch the language.. May 25 13:16:52 GeneralAntilles: what weirds me out is that so many people pitch open source, but when it comes to it, they just want a closed system May 25 13:16:57 where the vendor does it all May 25 13:17:01 luckily some people do have got the point of this all May 25 13:17:02 open source does not mean being spoon fed everything, you have one of the most open operating systems on any device - one thats capable of supporting and utilising multiple toolkits May 25 13:17:15 Stskeeps, I want open source where the vendor doesn't do everything in its power to undermine it. ;) May 25 13:17:17 what is the official Qt libs distributed with PR 1.2? May 25 13:17:28 Andy80, qt 4.6 May 25 13:17:34 N900killa: welcome to the world of business. Name a company that has never broken something they said :p May 25 13:17:34 on flash May 25 13:17:39 I tried installin Tweego after upgrading to PR 1.2 and it wants to download 44 Mb of Qt libraries May 25 13:17:41 optified nicely :D May 25 13:17:45 * lcuk is pleased at that May 25 13:17:48 GeneralAntilles, your points somehow make me think that you're working for apple, google or samsung perhaps? :) May 25 13:17:51 lcuk: but where's the business model ? why bother with open source if you don't want to leverage it ? May 25 13:17:52 lcuk: I mean... there are two builds May 25 13:17:52 * frals is pleased lcuk is pleased May 25 13:17:52 Andy80, it shouldnt May 25 13:17:59 flashed mtf May 25 13:18:01 lcuk: no, open source means you accept help where you lack expertise or craftmanship (at least, that's what it means in my book). It's not about how many things you can run on it, it's about how you treat the people who want to help. May 25 13:18:02 achipa, so use the qt stuff? May 25 13:18:12 libqt4-gui, libqt4-maemo5-gui for example May 25 13:18:25 Well May 25 13:18:26 anyway May 25 13:18:50 what I would really like to see now is a new device, meego or maemi - doesn't matter. But I want a smaller N900, N900 min if you will May 25 13:18:53 hmpf still no comment on my merge request with vertsms :< May 25 13:19:00 after flash - what settings i can lost? May 25 13:19:29 ZogG, all, so back up using the built-in backup application. May 25 13:19:32 lcuk: considering how Qt in PR1.2 has been handled, I have my reserves May 25 13:19:33 The OTA update is not working for me, it just says to connect up and use Nokia Software Update May 25 13:19:42 crashanddie, sure thats one aspect, but openness means not being locked into one specific path - helping build the barn to improve existing things is equally valid May 25 13:19:46 achipa: do elaborate May 25 13:19:51 achipa: what's your gripe? May 25 13:19:51 lcuk: for desktop, I'll take Qt any day. For mobile, far from sure May 25 13:19:53 achipa, yeah please do May 25 13:20:02 TomaszD i did it, restoring May 25 13:20:09 hi all ... I ran into some problem related to theme chooser on my nokia n900.... I am not able to run theme selector from settings/personalization ... Does anybody know the application name for the same... which i can fire from command prompt ?? May 25 13:20:24 i mean after restore ( had to mentioned it) May 25 13:20:25 Anyone have any ideas? May 25 13:20:35 anyone know a good N900 theme? May 25 13:20:36 nokia needs fools that continue buying into their junk - fools May 25 13:20:46 I'd love something like a blue version of the Humanity theme May 25 13:20:54 what we need here is a real good troll May 25 13:21:02 no shit N900killa is already here :( May 25 13:21:23 But is it a good troll? May 25 13:21:24 tybollt_ lcuk: well, for example, we had this public community - nokians meeting with regard how Qt is going to be deployed in PR1.2, had an agreement and in the end PR1.2 comes out and it turns out to be not quite what was agreed on May 25 13:21:26 * N900Evil stabs N900killa May 25 13:21:42 lcuk: but instead of accepting defeat on specific levels, they took the corporate way, and told everyone to "wait, wait, wait". Rather than doing that, they should've opened up the stuff that was hurting people: MfE would've been fixed in days or weeks had it been open sourced. No-one could try and fix it, because it's close sourced, locked down, and what not. Some things have been fixed using very smart hacks (catorise for exa May 25 13:21:42 why is the firmware different for vodafone devices? May 25 13:21:44 achipa, whats different? May 25 13:22:03 any idea ??? May 25 13:22:05 anyone May 25 13:22:15 all I'm saying is all N900 buyers got their money stolen by nokia May 25 13:22:16 achipa: well, at some point someone decided to optify it + move it to a different directory May 25 13:22:17 crashanddie, again, agreed - but you cannot force open source on people May 25 13:22:21 talking to myself, duh May 25 13:22:23 all open source can do is route around the damage May 25 13:22:33 I think I found a really serious issue in PR1.2... May 25 13:22:35 oh god... May 25 13:22:38 yes N900killa now please go elsewhere if thats all you have to say May 25 13:22:40 lcuk: and had we known that was the plan, our suggestions would have been different May 25 13:22:57 achipa, you arent talking to yourself May 25 13:22:57 TomaszD: your device burst into flames? May 25 13:23:01 if not, not serious enough! May 25 13:23:02 crashanddie: quite alot of other stuff was easily fixed due to the opensource stuff (wrong enter being send by xterm, some issues related to mediaplayer, etc) May 25 13:23:05 i know quite a bit about the optificaiton of qt May 25 13:23:18 Stskeeps, no, but whenever I remove an app with appman it downloads and installs a random app May 25 13:23:21 what data the backup save ? May 25 13:23:22 I'm being serious May 25 13:23:29 but if apps are expecting specific folders that should have been catered for with symlinks etc? May 25 13:23:31 just sms , contacts , or save apps too ? May 25 13:23:33 achipa: oh really? Care to be a bit specific on the "not quite" part? May 25 13:23:34 lcuk: so the 'community compromise' in the end resulted in a suboptimal solution (as in, we make extra effort to break our own stuff) May 25 13:23:45 lol TomaszD, that sounds AWESOME :D May 25 13:23:51 achipa, so if i write a qt app now it wont work? May 25 13:23:52 did xterm actually get fixed in PR1.2 then? May 25 13:23:58 E0x: depends what you tell it to save May 25 13:24:01 it happened four times already May 25 13:24:02 or if i compile a desktop qt app ? May 25 13:24:06 lcuk: we could have avoided the whole libqt4-maemo5 mess May 25 13:24:10 Torne: it should have, it was documented as being fixed May 25 13:24:11 TomaszD, nah THATS A FEATURE May 25 13:24:12 TomaszD: whenever you remove an app with appman, it pays for a ovi store app?;p May 25 13:24:13 Stskeeps have you kicked me today too =) May 25 13:24:20 I had a kimi app, lockdeamon, now I have unofficial Hungarian translation May 25 13:24:22 lcuk: then don't pretend to be. Remember the nice talks that Nokia had about being surprised by how well Open Source worked for them? Remember the talk they gave about people saying "Open Source will never work" and now having people inside Nokia congratulate them because it was such a success? What kind of marketing bollocks is that. They don't even know 6 months ahead if their division will still exist. May 25 13:24:25 (as in renaming, invalidating, manually updateing dependencies, etc) May 25 13:24:33 whenever I remove the unwanted app, something else gets installed May 25 13:24:36 achipa, qt went a bit wild May 25 13:24:43 tybollt_: it was stated several times that libqt4 WILL be on NAND May 25 13:24:48 frals: ok , thx May 25 13:25:07 can anyone confirm this behaviour? May 25 13:25:08 TomaszD: the good news is that H-A-M is oss and at maemo.gitourious.org so you can track it down and fix it if you know c ;) May 25 13:25:12 do i need to turn readd all repos or i just need to turn them off after restore May 25 13:25:18 achipa: ? I thought stskeeps said NAND was just /boot now a days? May 25 13:25:18 Ikarus: it's not marked as fixed on bugzilla May 25 13:25:27 my only real gripe with Nokia is that they don't want to call the DRM mode in the next device either that or "cripple mode", but instead wanting to use a more deceptive name May 25 13:25:27 lcuk: MeeGo was announced because Maemo has been deemed a failure by Nokia management. It doesn't matter how much Ari or Quim believe in it, it's over. Maemo will be dead and gone in a year, and we'll look like idiots for having tried to improve things. May 25 13:25:31 tybollt_: that's on meego May 25 13:25:35 achipa: anyway why does it matter? Speed concerns? May 25 13:25:39 Torne: it was marked on the fix list on the wiki May 25 13:25:42 Stskeeps: d'oh sorry :) May 25 13:25:49 Ikarus: well, i'm testing it now :) May 25 13:25:51 Torne: anyway, else I have a .deb for it May 25 13:26:12 OMG May 25 13:26:14 tybollt_: it matters because we broke EVERY SINGLE Qt package on maemo.org because of that nomenclature May 25 13:26:18 my phone is now fubar May 25 13:26:34 crashanddie the king is dead ,viva la king May 25 13:26:51 i hope it would be ported to n900 anyways May 25 13:27:05 meego? May 25 13:27:06 it is! May 25 13:27:07 :P May 25 13:27:19 Stskeeps, i mean more oficial May 25 13:27:23 achipa: Eeeek :-| May 25 13:27:29 Stskeeps, what about the ux ontop tho May 25 13:27:30 ZogG: it will be official May 25 13:27:31 official than putting android on n900 May 25 13:27:39 ZogG: the question is one of support May 25 13:27:42 ZogG: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53571 May 25 13:27:44 Ikarus, the nokia said different May 25 13:27:47 Can someone point me to a good pr1.2 guide please, ota is not working for me, and Nokia oftware Updater is saying there is no update. May 25 13:28:00 SWFu64: OTA will be out tomorrow May 25 13:28:02 ZogG: it isn't support - you can't call tech support for it, but it is made professionally May 25 13:28:18 you can call tech support May 25 13:28:24 they will ask what version of maemo you areon May 25 13:28:28 Stskeeps Ikarus maemo is on n900 without support - so what? =) May 25 13:28:36 Ikarus, I can see the update, i just does not work, it tells me to connect to pc an use the software updater May 25 13:28:43 ZogG: without OFFICIAL support May 25 13:28:44 lcuk i would say 6 =) May 25 13:28:50 ZogG: ie, you can't call Nokia and bitch May 25 13:28:54 ZogG, :) May 25 13:28:57 Ikarus: you can May 25 13:29:04 Ikarus: but they will just ignore you May 25 13:29:19 i don't have n900 in my country so i don't that care of phone support - until new programs for n900 and bugfixes are coming May 25 13:29:27 and new teh not passing it May 25 13:29:45 jacekowski: exactly May 25 13:30:00 i dunno but our country wouldn't get n900 May 25 13:30:03 tybollt_, lcuk : plus, just to make it more funky just SOME qt packages are optified May 25 13:30:14 though we don't have nokia here at all May 25 13:30:24 only company representing nokia May 25 13:30:24 Stskeeps: Maybe I asked you this before but... May 25 13:30:40 achipa, apps themselves are optified based on individual app policy May 25 13:30:43 Stskeeps: are there speed concerns nand vs emmc wrt binaries etc? May 25 13:30:44 thats nothing to do with OS May 25 13:30:47 tybollt_, lcuk : so QtGui yes, QtCore/Sql/Xml no May 25 13:30:49 nokia are nazi =)))) May 25 13:31:03 achipa: why do they do that though? May 25 13:31:04 lcuk: but these are packages that depend on each other May 25 13:31:04 lol May 25 13:31:08 ZogG: be nice May 25 13:31:18 * Torne works at nokia :( May 25 13:31:22 (not on maemo) May 25 13:31:33 achipa, do you want to try and do something, get a tree showing the footprint of qt on the device May 25 13:31:40 all folders used and files dropped May 25 13:31:43 Ikarus: It's still broken in PR1.2 May 25 13:31:44 Torne, it was joke =) i'm from israel =))))) May 25 13:31:48 so we can try to arrange it? May 25 13:31:59 Ikarus: where did it say it was fixed? :) May 25 13:32:04 Torne: ah well, once I have PR1.2 and tested my new binaries I'll toss you a copy of the .deb May 25 13:32:20 Torne, can i call you and bitch about meego on n900 after it would be ported? pleeeease? May 25 13:32:29 ZogG: no May 25 13:32:30 :) May 25 13:32:31 lcuk: seems they went with a simple size filter -> gui and webkit are the biggest, so they go to opt May 25 13:32:33 damn May 25 13:32:39 ZogG: i don't work on meego either May 25 13:32:50 lcuk: never mint that qtgui is the most often used one after core... May 25 13:32:52 Torne, i just need attention =) May 25 13:33:07 ZogG: people are only allowed to ask me for support with rockbox :) May 25 13:33:28 162M used on root May 25 13:33:28 YEAH!!! May 25 13:33:35 achipa, perhaps - go into #qt-maemo and discuss with them May 25 13:33:41 jacekowski, :) May 25 13:33:45 nice isnt it May 25 13:33:50 i got ukeyboared installed on my N900 finally, waited for a loooooong loooong time May 25 13:33:54 lcuk: isn't it spilt milk ? May 25 13:34:23 Hi May 25 13:34:26 lcuk: the biggest gripe, needlessly kicking ourselves in the balls, can't be undone May 25 13:34:28 achipa, well, it couldv been spoken out about before ;) May 25 13:34:37 do I need to upgrade the eMMC? May 25 13:34:47 I see that there is a new eMMC image May 25 13:34:52 its not like there werent any opportunities May 25 13:34:54 eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 May 25 13:35:01 lcuk: yes, if that wasn't a DISCUSSED AND AGREED UPON plan, maybe it would make sense May 25 13:35:19 any upgrades to MfE? May 25 13:35:37 achipa, wheres the planning documents? May 25 13:35:51 [drizztbsd]: I didn't flash the new eMMC May 25 13:35:52 and if you have them file bugs against them May 25 13:35:56 so I guess you don't May 25 13:35:59 ok thanks May 25 13:36:04 there was an irc meeting with half a dozen nokians, let me dig up the log May 25 13:36:12 I don't know if there's any new content though May 25 13:36:24 and then there were the conclusions on maemo.org/news, official council announcement and all May 25 13:36:26 anyway do i readd all repos or restoring does that? May 25 13:36:32 achipa, an irc log isnt a spec May 25 13:36:39 jacekowski, there is bug fixes on MfE ... but still didn't sync email with my gmail account May 25 13:37:15 lcuk: so what exactly are we supposed to do ? Ask written confirmations as *official* irc meetings and nokian blogs are not relevant ? May 25 13:37:32 [Khertan]: Google doesn't support MfE officially... contacts and calendar should work though May 25 13:37:36 lcuk: this wasn't some random chitchat, it was #maemo-meeting business May 25 13:37:57 achipa, sure who agreed to take on the task? May 25 13:38:00 ToJa92, google doesn't support anythings officially ... everythings is beta ... May 25 13:38:18 and still ifnd the documents relating May 25 13:38:40 ToJa92, but be carrefull that i didn't blame nokia for MfE not working with Gmail ... their (gmail) implementation isn't standart ! May 25 13:38:48 anybody notived a huge slowdown in his n900 after pr 1.2? May 25 13:39:00 ToJa92, but be carrefull that i didn't blame nokia for MfE not working with Gmail ... their (gmail / on google side) implementation isn't standart ! May 25 13:39:02 [Khertan]: Well if you want to sync contacts + calendar you could use SyncEvolution May 25 13:39:07 mine is as slow as a vic32 running windows vista for the first time May 25 13:39:13 then you can use the mail client for mail May 25 13:39:45 ToJa92, yep this was mainly to avoid imap as imap is blocked by my phone isp ... and exchange isn't (https port) May 25 13:40:03 oh May 25 13:40:08 ToJa92, but i ll continue to use my dns tunnelling :) May 25 13:40:18 well, imap isn't blocked by my operator, so I'm happy :) May 25 13:42:03 ToJa92, full internet ... limited in speed for 69 Euros by month ... or restricted to http, https for 25 Euros by month (with 3g+ and a 1Gb limit by month) ... i do my choice really fast :) May 25 13:42:36 a restricted one with tunnel :) May 25 13:43:03 lcuk: it wasn't a task. It was a statement that the layout will be kept, and libqt4-maemo5 will have to be broken because of that. May 25 13:43:16 if anyone can pitch in by removing the tutorial applet and the "installers" (ap news, amazon, facebook) and observing weirdness, please look at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10267 May 25 13:43:17 Bug 10267: Sometimes when I remove an application a random one gets downloaded and installed automatically May 25 13:43:50 MohammadAG, here you go May 25 13:43:55 how was fedora? May 25 13:44:04 achipa: what are the official Qt, libqt4-gui or libqt4-maemo5-gui ? May 25 13:44:07 dd-y May 25 13:44:09 play button on media widget is not working for me May 25 13:44:14 Andy80, both May 25 13:44:17 I'm setting up maemo developement enviroment should i install qt 4.5 or 4.6 toolkit? May 25 13:44:17 which one I mean... May 25 13:44:23 libqt4-gui is 4.6.2 May 25 13:44:24 MohammadAG: both? May 25 13:44:28 Andy80: libqt4-gui May 25 13:44:38 libqt4-maemo5-gui should be 3.7 soon May 25 13:44:40 4.7* May 25 13:44:44 having two versions of Qt makes no sense May 25 13:44:45 libqt4-maemo5 is pending deletion May 25 13:44:51 (completely needlessly) May 25 13:45:02 MohammadAG, Thanks! May 25 13:45:06 Andy80, the one without maemo5 is the one integrated in fw May 25 13:45:20 ok... I won't install Tweego for the moment then :) May 25 13:45:31 why? May 25 13:45:37 because it requires libqt4-maemo5 May 25 13:45:46 Just blindly following guide at linuxuser.co.uk hopefully everything goes right :DD May 25 13:46:03 I don't want to stupidly waste space having two Qt on my N900 May 25 13:46:14 MohammadAG: 4.7 will be called libqt4-experimental May 25 13:46:28 achipa, so maemo5 is just a waste of space? May 25 13:46:30 or at least *I* think it will May 25 13:46:35 libqt4-maemo5* May 25 13:46:38 So where are all these commercial apps that have been waiting for PR1.2? :D May 25 13:46:45 I thought 1.2 was going to saveb the world! May 25 13:46:50 MohammadAG: it isn't, it helps creating confusion :S May 25 13:46:53 you thought wrong May 25 13:46:59 lol May 25 13:47:12 Dagnamit, but abill_uk said that 1.2 would save the human race! May 25 13:47:13 so how much free root space is needed for OTA? May 25 13:47:35 ja May 25 13:47:38 do spill May 25 13:47:38 is this display locking bug when maep or mapper is running and the display goes idle fixed in 1.2? May 25 13:48:18 achipa: also... this optifying thing... wasn't it in the SDK anyway? May 25 13:49:15 it was on git afaik May 25 13:50:00 'lo May 25 13:50:56 cehteh: is that a bug? May 25 13:51:05 tybollt_: no, that was just a cludge May 25 13:51:07 Or is it maep/mapper ? May 25 13:51:25 tybollt_: so we could have both installed on the devices May 25 13:51:46 alterego: graphics/opengl or whatever bug .. well it locks the device sometimes that you have to pull the battery out for a reset, i call that a bug May 25 13:51:54 PR1.2 is such a buggy mess May 25 13:52:07 even pressing the power button long time doesnt reboot it May 25 13:52:08 GAN900, post a rant thread May 25 13:52:31 or does tmo have one already :P May 25 13:52:38 MohammadAG, nah, I'm just gonna soapbox in mwkn. :P May 25 13:52:52 can I help? May 25 13:52:57 first start off with the menu May 25 13:52:58 cehteh: Ah, okay. Well, I don't know. Why don't you try it. I don't use either of those apps personally. May 25 13:53:03 it doesn't have the scroll effect May 25 13:53:14 then continue to rant about no MeeGo for the N900 May 25 13:53:26 alterego: i wait for tomorrow for the update May 25 13:53:30 eventually you'll reach a point where you'll ask about Maemo 7 for the RX-71 May 25 13:53:37 :) May 25 13:53:38 and i have to do a full backup later today :P May 25 13:53:38 hehehe May 25 13:53:43 which will be step 6/5 May 25 13:53:52 I just flashed mine. May 25 13:53:53 release will be 1/0 May 25 13:54:02 division by zero May 25 13:54:15 No Jaffa to cramp my style this week, either. *eg* May 25 13:54:34 i hope updating in contrast to flashing will not wipe out all my customizations May 25 13:54:37 GAN900: I was made redundant on Friday :/ May 25 13:54:41 got a dd of /dev/mtd5 May 25 13:54:47 wonder if it'll brick my N900 May 25 13:54:48 I've got too much time on my hands now, I'm so f*cking bored right now. May 25 13:54:48 so i have less pain restoring it afterwards May 25 13:54:56 alterego: contribute to meego! May 25 13:54:57 :P May 25 13:54:58 alterego, wait, again? May 25 13:55:10 hey when is 1.3 scheduled? :) May 25 13:55:15 It's a trap! May 25 13:55:19 haha May 25 13:55:23 GAN900: it was just a possibility the week before. Well, I knew it was going to happen, but it wasn't official until Friday just gone. May 25 13:55:24 cehteh, when it's ready. May 25 13:55:26 (admiral ackbar style) May 25 13:55:27 w00t May 25 13:55:29 ~1.3 May 25 13:55:32 ~1.2 May 25 13:55:38 ~meh May 25 13:55:38 alterego, that sucks. May 25 13:55:39 Stskeeps: unfortunately I need money :P May 25 13:55:47 MOAR MONNEH May 25 13:55:51 DocScrutinizer, oi! fix infobot! May 25 13:55:57 but money leads to the dark side May 25 13:55:59 :P May 25 13:56:01 meh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase May 25 13:56:06 tybollt_: "moar" would imply I actually have some :D May 25 13:56:24 * javispedro sings "dadadadadadada pr 1.2 dadadadada backslash dadadadada it didn't fix world hunger..." May 25 13:56:40 at nokia, cellphone updates you! :) May 25 13:56:44 javispedro: give it a chance, it's not even been a day yet! :D May 25 13:56:58 * javispedro patiently waits for the pitchforks May 25 13:57:03 how i can start from ZERO , i want put my n900 like out the box May 25 13:57:11 and apply the update/upgrade May 25 13:57:20 Downgrade to 42-11 May 25 13:57:23 since upgrading to PR1.2 i cant seem to get mail for exchange to work with gmail. syncing always fails May 25 13:57:25 and reflash the emmc May 25 13:57:40 then change the faceplate May 25 13:57:55 2 months old not need change the faceplate May 25 13:57:55 :P May 25 13:57:56 if you want to go to pre-out-of-the-box sell it on ebay and buy another one May 25 13:57:57 then send it to a fellow maemo.org member, which will send you back a new n900 ... May 25 13:58:03 (someday) May 25 13:58:14 javispedro: heh May 25 13:58:56 tmo is completely changed, I the threads I was following have been buried May 25 13:59:02 *all the threads May 25 14:00:52 Classic title: "Firmware PR1.2 Whats so different (20)" pahahaa May 25 14:01:02 since upgrading to PR1.2 i cant seem to get mail for exchange to work with gmail. syncing always fails May 25 14:01:04 lcuk: from Nokia/Qt side we had sandman, shaneb, kate and tekojo, and most of the marmo.org crew (X-fade, stskeep) and I was the community representative May 25 14:01:10 lcuk: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2010-04-22.log.html May 25 14:02:02 lcuk: also, recommended read: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/?p=1480 (section 'A note on PR1.1 vs PR1.2') May 25 14:02:33 marmo... I guess it shows I'm in dire need of marmelade... May 25 14:02:45 Anyone else has a problem with extras-testing and extra-dev repositories after updating to pr1.2? May 25 14:03:04 I want more levels for Bounce Evolution .. May 25 14:03:06 achipa, i cant read/digest all that in one go, if there arent clear action points specified and followups then what can people do? May 25 14:03:22 achipa: woah, I completely missed that one :( May 25 14:03:41 lcuk: the point is that the actions were DETERMINED by the information presented May 25 14:03:51 alterego: i want some mod for bounce that make it look like wipe-out May 25 14:04:07 E0x: I thought it was already in there P May 25 14:04:10 lcuk: http://achipa.blogspot.com/2010/04/operation-qt-shuffle.html May 25 14:04:24 alterego: where !!? May 25 14:04:38 is anyone having issues with gmail mail for exchange after upgading to PR1.2? May 25 14:04:40 this is the distilled action plan, but it is semi-meaningless as it is based on the wrong assumptions May 25 14:04:55 I have not been able to sync May 25 14:05:34 E0x: Oh, you want the space ships over being a ball? :) May 25 14:05:43 achipa, so follow it up with the folks in the meeting. May 25 14:05:43 anyone know how to get g++ installed on the n800 running itos08? May 25 14:06:19 is anyone being annoyed that they don't have anything to wait for now? May 25 14:06:42 alterego: yea May 25 14:06:49 free ovi maps navigation, MohammadAG. May 25 14:06:53 MohammadAG: I'm waiting for PR1.3, with Qt 4.7 so I can use QML May 25 14:07:01 MohammadAG: you're free to wait with me :) May 25 14:07:10 alterego, 4.7 is in -devel May 25 14:07:15 javispedro, go buy sygic May 25 14:07:20 alterego, ^ May 25 14:07:23 lcuk: not on devices though is it :P May 25 14:07:26 MohammadAG: meego May 25 14:07:27 so stop waiting, start writing and filing bugs and dont leave it till AFTER all the releases are made May 25 14:07:28 MohammadAG: not me, tmo! May 25 14:07:33 alterego, not the point May 25 14:07:34 Heh May 25 14:07:39 tmo go buy sygic May 25 14:07:43 lcuk: certainly will mention it. I'm certain the change wasn't malicious, but the whole council and meeting thing is there in theory so we could avoid cases *precisely* like this one May 25 14:07:59 lcuk, what about bacon 1.3? May 25 14:08:02 lcuk: I'm being silly, there's literally nothing stopping me developing with QML. I was just trying to give MohammadAG something to look forward too ;) May 25 14:08:04 well achipa most of the pr1.2 was stabilised by the time that meeting occured May 25 14:08:13 SpeedEvil, won't touch anything RPM related for some time May 25 14:08:26 alterego: what makes you think pr1.3 will contain qt 4.7 ? May 25 14:08:29 so whatever happened doesnt sound malicious its just dealing with whats feasible at the time with very busy people May 25 14:08:47 lcuk: in that case someone forgot to tell us they changed the battle plan May 25 14:08:49 achipa: that's the general consensus as far as I can tell. May 25 14:08:50 alterego, id like to see some simple qml things May 25 14:09:00 achipa, what makes you think there's a 1.3 :) May 25 14:09:03 achipa, follow up however you see fit May 25 14:09:12 lcuk: I'm still just getting my toes wet. The docs for QML are pretty thin :/ May 25 14:09:14 =( May 25 14:09:16 lcuk: I wouldn't have it any other way ;D May 25 14:09:23 achipa, :) good May 25 14:09:25 Please is anyone having issues syncing with mail for exchange (gmail) I can only get it to work it says server not responding. plese all i need is a yes or no so i know whether its a isolated issue :S May 25 14:09:31 * lcuk is pleased you are on the council May 25 14:09:42 did we get imap idle support? May 25 14:09:49 it's safe to assume that if no one said something, no one is having problems May 25 14:09:56 alterego, so simplicity May 25 14:09:58 cant* get it to work (mail for exchange) May 25 14:10:00 learning qml May 25 14:10:05 blog about it May 25 14:10:06 and post code May 25 14:10:12 * Turks is confused and trying to compile software on the n800 May 25 14:10:44 lcuk: how about I learn about it, post code, and you can blog about it .. As I do't have a blog .. :P May 25 14:10:56 smh May 25 14:11:00 Turks: you have to be confused trying to do that May 25 14:11:03 just look at lcuk ;p May 25 14:11:04 I get 404 error when trying to refresh Maemo Extras-Devel, anyone knows why? May 25 14:11:36 i googled, and in forum is 1 guy that has the same issue, but no replies to it yet May 25 14:11:42 Stskeeps, no stranger to linux, just new to maemo/armel May 25 14:11:55 mirr0r: put fremantle in the dist field of your catalog entry in AM. May 25 14:12:29 Stskeeps, trying to support maemo and fremantle makes me look confused? strange ;) May 25 14:12:38 X-Fade, any idea how long before SDK is back up May 25 14:12:50 X-Fade, awesome, thanks.. May 25 14:12:52 i want to re-test getting build-essential on a default device May 25 14:12:55 theres loads of space now May 25 14:13:00 Weird though that its not there by default May 25 14:13:02 lcuk: What kind of question is that? May 25 14:13:23 X-Fade, repos were down for update werent they? May 25 14:13:41 no? May 25 14:14:26 lcuk, mind giving me a hand at setting up a build env on diablo? =P May 25 14:14:38 still no portrait-mode list boxes May 25 14:14:58 Turks, its easy to get compiler directly on system, the -dev packages are larger May 25 14:15:00 BCMM еруку цфы ыщьу луны сщьиштфешщт ащк зщкекфше - тщ, May 25 14:15:03 ooops May 25 14:15:04 sorry May 25 14:15:06 if you are booting from mmc May 25 14:15:13 with lots of space its rly simple May 25 14:15:20 there was some keys combination for portrait mode in some programs? May 25 14:15:20 ZogG: i'm afraid i can't read cyrilic May 25 14:15:25 ZogG: ? May 25 14:15:45 ZogG: what i meant was the the browser still doesn't handle dropdowns in portrait mode May 25 14:16:08 ZogG: CTRL+SHIFT+R May 25 14:17:31 lcuk, apt says g++ conflicts, shouuld i deb-src packages to update these or is there a repo wi May 25 14:17:55 th a working g++ package? May 25 14:17:58 Turks, http://repository.maemo.org/ May 25 14:18:03 Hmmm - My conversation-innbox-widget is gone after PR1.2 - Says it's installed, and the latest version, but no luck getting it onto the desktop. May 25 14:18:05 sdk and tools repositories are available May 25 14:18:12 sorry, n800 keyboard sucks May 25 14:18:18 normally for use in scratchbox :) May 25 14:18:28 phellarv, yea mine too May 25 14:18:51 mirr0r: Hmmm - Wonder why? May 25 14:19:28 lcuk, red pill mode doesnt have to be enabled for installing the toolchains for building source does it? May 25 14:19:36 i removed it, and am reinstalling it now May 25 14:19:41 will see if that solves it May 25 14:20:13 howdy all! May 25 14:20:20 heya maddler May 25 14:20:26 Turks, installing development kits has nothing really to do with HAM red pill stuff? May 25 14:20:28 did anyone managed to start a videocall on 1.2? May 25 14:20:40 Oh, nice, now maps remembers it's view settings. That was possibly one of my biggest annoyances .. May 25 14:20:48 im new to maemo, lcuk =p May 25 14:21:22 i got my n800 stuck in a bootloop with rpm on D= May 25 14:21:37 Turks, sure go slowly and carefully, things like devkits and sdk stuff is really a console thing May 25 14:21:44 rpm? May 25 14:21:51 then surely you're using ze meeko? May 25 14:22:08 meeko! May 25 14:22:18 sounds better than meego. May 25 14:22:39 tybollt_, red pill mode, lrn2osk ;) May 25 14:23:39 Man... maemo sdk installer fails at 4/9 May 25 14:23:57 alterego, also, write a maemo blog app using qml :P May 25 14:24:17 lcuk: hahah, nice idea ;) May 25 14:25:32 crap, maemo sdk repos have to be configured in console =( May 25 14:25:37 frals, when are you going to handle vCard MMSes? May 25 14:25:46 Hi, my nokia n900 says there is a maemo update and says I should do a backup, when I try to do a backup it just sits there saying backing up and stays at 0% to get rid of it I have to use the power button and end current task... any ideas what I'm doing wrong or why this could happen? May 25 14:25:48 DocScrutinizer, May 25 14:25:59 Remember that bet we had about rootfs image flashing? May 25 14:26:01 The sdk installer can't fetch http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0//armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_10.2010.09-3_armel.tgz May 25 14:26:06 I owe you a beer :S May 25 14:26:12 Can anyone help? May 25 14:26:26 hrm May 25 14:26:28 MohammadAG: I'm curious, what was the bet about? :) May 25 14:26:36 what are the major differences between the UK and USA versions? May 25 14:26:38 Tuukka: Works for me? May 25 14:26:39 is it just language? May 25 14:26:45 dd if=/dev/mtd5 of=desitnation.img May 25 14:26:48 then flash the file May 25 14:26:51 destination* May 25 14:27:14 that can potentially corrupt the backup May 25 14:27:36 why? May 25 14:27:38 Ooo, ussd codes should work now! May 25 14:27:39 for a start because /dev/mtd5 is mounted May 25 14:27:40 * alterego tests May 25 14:27:42 X-Fade, I have tried several times, but it can't get it :/ Could it have anything to do with the installer settings? May 25 14:27:45 nope May 25 14:27:47 did it in fedora May 25 14:27:50 I used the defaul ones May 25 14:27:56 HOW? May 25 14:27:58 schweet, May 25 14:27:58 lcuk, are sdl applications usually fully supported when compiling on maemo? May 25 14:28:04 javispedro, booted fedora May 25 14:28:05 I like how they've done it too. May 25 14:28:14 MohammadAG: but then what's /dev/mtd5? May 25 14:28:15 Tuukka: Do can you download other things from the internet? May 25 14:28:15 With No copy&paste :( May 25 14:28:25 javispedro, the rootfs node May 25 14:28:38 .. May 25 14:28:41 MohammadAG: ah, you booted fedora on the n900. May 25 14:28:41 I booted fedora off the uSD May 25 14:28:43 Any one got any ideas why backup just hangs? May 25 14:28:44 sorry. May 25 14:28:45 ah, ok May 25 14:28:45 X-Fade, Yeah the sdk installer is able to dl other files May 25 14:28:45 yeah May 25 14:28:57 * MohammadAG slaps Stskeeps May 25 14:28:58 Tuukka: Strange. May 25 14:29:00 SuRfDeMoN: sometimes it takes a long time. May 25 14:29:08 hmm May 25 14:29:19 maybe I should've actually got the image before I tried this :S May 25 14:29:27 why mtd5 fwiw? May 25 14:29:28 Tuukka: Do you get a 404 error? May 25 14:29:30 and not mtdblock5 May 25 14:29:33 or wtf it's called May 25 14:29:33 :P May 25 14:29:35 alterego: oh ok, its only a few days old though, not installed that many apps either, May 25 14:29:40 yeah if i go to http://repository.maemo.org/stable/5.0//armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_10.2010.09-3_armel.tgz May 25 14:29:44 with browser May 25 14:29:54 what are the major differences between the UK and USA versions? Just wondering what version I should get being in Canada. If its just the language I'd get the UK but if it's others specific to north america.... May 25 14:30:26 Stskeeps, root's on mtd5 afaik May 25 14:30:32 cat'd /proc/mtd May 25 14:30:52 X-Fade, can you take down 4 packages? :) May 25 14:31:11 MohammadAG: Sure, but not now. May 25 14:31:16 BCMM the longpress in browser is awesome thoug =) May 25 14:31:18 :( May 25 14:31:21 though* May 25 14:31:30 ZogG: what longpress? May 25 14:31:43 X-Fade, anyways, remove all my packages from -devel, restore it to SDK only as my version broke the autobuilder http://maemo.org/packages/view/man-db/ May 25 14:32:37 MohammadAG: Ah, that is bad. Let me remove it. May 25 14:32:45 :) May 25 14:32:54 http://maemo.org/packages/view/man-db-n900/ if anyone's interested, this one works May 25 14:32:58