**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 01 02:59:57 2010 Jun 01 03:00:45 The n900 has sold 100K in the first 5 weeks reportedly. Jun 01 03:01:57 reuters would disagree, but I can't find anything else Jun 01 03:02:16 but considering nokia doesn't promote the n900 Jun 01 03:02:40 Well. fmms looks to have at least 10000 users. Jun 01 03:02:58 fmms? Jun 01 03:03:17 I think that a very large number of users are simply not installing anything, or enabling any other than the default repos. Jun 01 03:03:28 Third-party mms add-on. Jun 01 03:03:51 I would agree with the lack of knowledge about maemo.org repo Jun 01 03:04:05 otherwise we wouldn't see the "there's no n900 apps" Jun 01 03:04:19 Exactly Jun 01 03:04:31 it's not too hard to just think that ovi store must be it. Jun 01 03:04:39 And the selection there is underwhelming Jun 01 03:05:17 heh, that's an understatement Jun 01 03:07:16 vodafone have discontinued n900 in the UK :( Jun 01 03:07:27 the guy in the shop said "oh it has linux or something, its not very popular" Jun 01 03:07:37 Robot101: any other carrier deals? Jun 01 03:11:46 my media player keeps forgetting about the 100 mp3's i have. is there a replacement that's easy on the resources? n810(if you didn't notice) Jun 01 03:24:38 Tobarja_n810, Canola? Jun 01 03:24:59 Not sure how easy it is on the resources, but its great all the same Jun 01 03:32:03 'Evening all. Jun 01 03:32:40 My friend just got an N900 in Vancouver, BC, where a new carrier is about to launch. He's wondering if there's an app that gives channel/signal info, etc. for cell sites in the area. Jun 01 03:46:56 Not for nonauthenticated cells Jun 01 03:47:08 As I understand it anyway Jun 01 03:48:09 SpeedEvil, Okay, thanks. Jun 01 03:48:33 Gah, some part of either my chair or laptop stand keeps making clicking noises that sound like the N900's IM alert. :/ Jun 01 03:48:47 Given how attuned I am to those sorts of noises, it keeps distracting me. heh. Jun 01 03:49:46 On a different note, the beta SDK is telling me it can't find a header on compilation, despite the header being in the include path that it quotes in the compiler output log. Jun 01 03:50:17 It builds fine from the command line. Can I build with the MADDE framework outside of Qt Creator? Jun 01 04:06:18 hello Jun 01 04:06:24 i need help... just updated n900 to 1.2 Jun 01 04:06:35 app manager shows no catalogs Jun 01 04:06:39 and i cannot manually add any Jun 01 04:06:51 i hit new, and save, but nothing shows Jun 01 04:07:13 try reflashing the emmc? Jun 01 04:07:27 can you restate that for a non-techie? Jun 01 04:07:37 dracflamloc, When you say "nothing shows", do you mean that the one you added isn't then on the list? Jun 01 04:07:50 dracflamloc, the eMMC is your main storage, where your documents and a few other things go. Jun 01 04:07:52 correct jaem, the one i add doesnt show Jun 01 04:08:03 and none of the defaults are in there either Jun 01 04:08:20 If the appropriate (non-personal-files) parts of the eMMC don't get cleared during the upgrade, it might cause problems. Jun 01 04:08:21 i used the nokia software updater, btw Jun 01 04:09:12 asj was suggesting that you could try flashing the eMMC as well, to fully wipe/reflash the phone. I don't think there's a pointy-clicky way to do that, though, unless the NSU does it automatically. Jun 01 04:09:28 Be warned that if you do do that, it will wipe all your files and settings, so you'd want to back up. Jun 01 04:09:51 ok. i have a backup already from before 1.2 udpate Jun 01 04:09:56 dracflamloc, Do you feel comfortable checking something in the terminal if I give you the commands to type in? Jun 01 04:09:59 It might save some time. Jun 01 04:10:03 so, my question is, how do i do the emmc thing Jun 01 04:10:05 yea sure Jun 01 04:10:16 dracflamloc, okay, let me know when you have XTerm open. Jun 01 04:10:21 open Jun 01 04:11:27 ? Jun 01 04:11:31 Type the following, and (if you can), copy the result into http://pastebin.ca, and send me the link Jun 01 04:11:47 ok Jun 01 04:11:53 cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Jun 01 04:12:09 "cat" in this case just spits out the contents of the text file to the screen. Jun 01 04:13:10 dracflamloc, Paste is on the XTerm menu, FYI Jun 01 04:13:14 sorry, Copy Jun 01 04:13:25 k Jun 01 04:13:44 pastebin.ca/1875214 Jun 01 04:15:35 dracflamloc, Okay, that part looks good. Was Extras/"maemo.org" the repository you tried to manually add just now? Jun 01 04:16:03 um, i tried adding that one, and a few others that were just 'test' in every field Jun 01 04:16:12 nothing showed int he list at all Jun 01 04:16:41 Alright. Jun 01 04:16:53 Did you ever install root access with the rootsh package? Jun 01 04:17:15 probably, i had that debian thing on here Jun 01 04:17:39 Okay, that makes things a bit easier, hopefully. Jun 01 04:18:05 You'll need root access for this, so run "root" (no quotes) Jun 01 04:18:31 Also, in general, if someone tells you to do something as root, be suspicious - some people are jerks, although usually not in #maemo. Jun 01 04:18:41 Feel free to check what I'm telling you Jun 01 04:18:49 root is a command? Jun 01 04:18:51 yes. Jun 01 04:18:57 says not found Jun 01 04:19:02 Ah, okay then. Jun 01 04:19:15 it removed everything prior to the update i think Jun 01 04:19:33 Did you try refreshing the lists from within Hildon Application Manager (HAM)? Jun 01 04:19:43 e.g. from the Menu, or by hitting Update. Jun 01 04:20:05 hildon application manager? Jun 01 04:20:14 you mean what shows int he menu as 'app. manager'? Jun 01 04:20:36 Yeah. Jun 01 04:20:49 Hildon is the Maemo desktop interface, but the name isn't really used as branding. Jun 01 04:21:33 well thats where i was trying to add the new catalogs Jun 01 04:21:51 woh Jun 01 04:21:59 Yes. Sometimes if it glitches, refreshing the app lists will give it a kick in the proverbial butt. Jun 01 04:22:01 ? Jun 01 04:22:06 all the sources just showed up Jun 01 04:22:10 \o/ Jun 01 04:22:19 Heh, I should have thought of that in the first place. Jun 01 04:22:19 * dracflamloc smacks himself Jun 01 04:22:28 i swear i did that 3 times Jun 01 04:22:33 and nothing happened Jun 01 04:22:34 now poof Jun 01 04:22:40 Don't worry, it /is/ caused by a bug or similar, so it wasn't your fault. Jun 01 04:23:03 k, now to restore all those programs. fun time! Jun 01 04:23:06 thanks for the help Jun 01 04:23:10 You might want to double-check that there aren't duplicate Catalogue entries now, since it looks like there might be. Jun 01 04:23:21 You're welcome, glad to be of assistance. Jun 01 04:23:26 hm Jun 01 04:23:43 You might want to install rootsh, just in case you run into a bind in the future. Jun 01 04:23:57 ya Jun 01 04:24:38 ah there was a dupe Jun 01 04:24:40 With sufficient knowledge, one can usually fix Linux systems even if they're really trashed, but you'll generally need root access. Jun 01 04:24:44 Yep. Jun 01 04:24:59 Probably not an issue, but certainly pointless. Jun 01 04:25:03 yea. i'm okay from a shell but no wizard. especially not on n900 Jun 01 05:01:12 Stskeeps: fwiw, gpsdriver fails epic silently if disk full Jun 01 05:01:16 ah Jun 01 05:01:17 (not related to 2.6.33 issues) Jun 01 05:01:31 luke-jr, context? Jun 01 05:01:44 luke-jr: most things do Jun 01 05:02:00 jaem: I'm reverse engineering it; Stskeeps is revising it Jun 01 05:02:14 Stskeeps: true enough :p Jun 01 05:02:22 well, usually things crash and burn in my experience Jun 01 05:02:23 but whatever Jun 01 05:02:49 luke-jr, refresh my memory about what gpsdriver's role is? Jun 01 05:02:56 jaem: it is the GPS Jun 01 05:02:56 'gps' 'driver' Jun 01 05:03:02 >_< Jun 01 05:03:09 epic fail on my part, sorry Jun 01 05:03:11 Heh. Jun 01 05:03:12 lol Jun 01 05:03:22 Which layer of the stack, though? Jun 01 05:03:24 GNOME Postscript driver Jun 01 05:03:25 :p Jun 01 05:03:37 luke-jr, gah! Get it away from me! Jun 01 05:03:41 jaem: best I can tell, it does most of the GPS calculations Jun 01 05:04:11 thankfully there's already some open source code for that Jun 01 05:04:13 luke-jr, alrighty. I have to poke at GPS stuff at some point for work, but I haven't gotten there yet. Jun 01 05:04:15 Nice. Jun 01 05:04:17 I just need to build some glue Jun 01 05:04:25 or rather, document enough for someoen else to build the glue Jun 01 05:04:33 so it's clean-room Jun 01 05:05:01 will probably make my own glue in the process, but not share that Jun 01 05:13:46 luke-jr: Jun 01 05:13:49 err Jun 01 05:13:55 that was accidental Jun 01 05:14:08 ... Jun 01 05:14:09 Stskeeps: we're getting libcal? Jun 01 05:14:13 SURE it was :P Jun 01 05:14:42 slonopotamus: right, still in midst of being prepared for open sourcing but there's a 'go' on it Jun 01 05:15:26 should be coming out as part of the meego on n900 stuff hopefully Jun 01 05:15:28 okaaay Jun 01 05:15:43 next up: pigs flying Jun 01 05:16:35 why the heck are we getting libcal? Jun 01 05:16:46 luke-jr: because we can? Jun 01 05:16:49 I mean, why waste the effort when it's been replaced? Jun 01 05:16:57 it hasn't, just for read mode Jun 01 05:16:57 effort that could be put toward gpsdriver or BME or NOLO Jun 01 05:17:02 cos it's a closed source dependancy to libdsme? Jun 01 05:17:03 luke-jr, why not? How is it a problem that something is being opened? Jun 01 05:17:04 er, dsme Jun 01 05:17:08 meh Jun 01 05:17:16 Stskeeps: i already have read mode. Jun 01 05:17:16 Termana: there's much more important things Jun 01 05:17:29 slonopotamus: what i meant was, write mode is in libcal Jun 01 05:17:30 Stskeeps: so its value is smth about zero. Jun 01 05:17:38 slonopotamus: and that part is going out too Jun 01 05:17:59 Stskeeps: oh. you were not specific enough :) Jun 01 05:18:14 Stskeeps: btw, you know OMAP Tags is outright rejected from mainline? Jun 01 05:18:43 which means we need either a guarantee all N8x0 have the same tag content, or NOLO opened Jun 01 05:18:53 luke-jr, I'm not sure that this is going to take so much time that its unprioritised open sourcing of other components. Jun 01 05:19:07 Termana: needs legal to review it, etc... Jun 01 05:19:55 luke-jr: yes, i know that Jun 01 05:20:15 luke-jr: i have a userspace atags decoder at least Jun 01 05:20:34 me too Jun 01 05:20:38 it converts to XML Jun 01 05:20:51 including decomposing GPIO OMAP Tags Jun 01 05:20:52 :p; Jun 01 05:20:59 mm Jun 01 05:21:21 nolo can't be replaced anyway, it's signed by a nokia key Jun 01 05:21:48 so no good reason for it to be released Jun 01 05:22:08 ... Jun 01 05:22:22 at least on n900 Jun 01 05:23:20 (what use is open source if you can't recompile and replace it in the area it's in?) Jun 01 05:23:31 Just as a sort of related side note - I saw on tmo someone completely bricked their n800. Jun 01 05:23:39 did they dd /dev/mtd? :P Jun 01 05:23:51 Stskeeps, right, they erased the bootloader partition :P Jun 01 05:23:58 silly people Jun 01 05:24:30 * slonopotamus half-broke /dev/mtd1 on his n800 :/ Jun 01 05:24:53 *some* entries are not readable now :) Jun 01 05:25:53 well, with libcal you'll be able to debug what's wrong :P Jun 01 05:27:02 i know what's wrong, my write algorithm Jun 01 05:34:37 slonopotamus, but how could a right algorithm be wrong? Jun 01 05:34:40 * jaem ducks Jun 01 05:37:36 jaem: ... Jun 01 05:40:03 do ducks duck? Jun 01 05:49:28 Stskeeps: ping Jun 01 05:53:14 plonk Jun 01 05:53:56 what do you think of my button label? Jun 01 05:55:01 hmm, interesting Jun 01 05:55:21 since there's no auto focus, backup would be the normal choice Jun 01 05:57:02 * timeless_mbp chuckles Jun 01 05:57:06 that reminds me Jun 01 05:57:09 wwwwwwwwwwwww Jun 01 05:57:10 i need to fix the sim dialog Jun 01 05:57:19 right now it has 'skip' and 'done' Jun 01 05:57:29 but if you try calling someone and the sim dialog appears Jun 01 05:57:35 Anybody here here experienced with mediatomb or with UpNp+n900 in general? Jun 01 05:57:38 you might try clicking skip a number of times Jun 01 05:57:43 since it's the natural button Jun 01 05:59:04 Dassu, works for me if you you consider that experienced Jun 01 05:59:18 oh brother Jun 01 05:59:20 *idiots* Jun 01 05:59:29 Skip and Done seem to come from distinct domains Jun 01 05:59:39 and Done seems to be a generic domain string Jun 01 05:59:49 remind me to shoot someone Jun 01 05:59:59 ruskie: Okies. What codec are you using? Jun 01 06:00:09 Dassu, I don't transcode Jun 01 06:00:13 ruskie: are you using the default player or something else. And why? Jun 01 06:00:19 mplayer and djmount Jun 01 06:00:23 Stskeeps: so... Jun 01 06:00:24 ruskie: dude, the files still have a codec Jun 01 06:00:27 i *really* want help Jun 01 06:00:33 simply because I prefer mplayer Jun 01 06:00:36 i want to rewrite how glib's gettext works Jun 01 06:00:54 ruskie: Oh, okies. well, ... that most likely has the best codec support Jun 01 06:00:55 Dassu, various codecs Jun 01 06:01:00 Yeah Jun 01 06:01:02 i need to change it so that it can do evil things based on the name of the running app Jun 01 06:01:08 :) Jun 01 06:01:11 because these running apps are incredibly stupid Jun 01 06:01:39 Atm. I'm trying to setup MythTV+mediatomb streaming setup that would work with default player by doing on-fly-endcoding to either h264, h263 or to the mpeg4 Jun 01 06:02:02 but definately a pain in the ass. Jun 01 06:02:35 a) Huge CPU load on the server b) Huge delay c) Sometimes I manage to get some picture but it is all messed up. Jun 01 06:02:41 I used dvd quality for streaming to the ps3 and the n900 myself when I did transcoding Jun 01 06:03:05 gave up on that since had issues with mythtv playing that upnp stream Jun 01 06:04:17 yeah... Jun 01 06:05:01 One way would be to install mythfrontend on the N900. Jun 01 06:05:44 * timeless_mbp grins Jun 01 06:05:52 i finally found a team at nokia that i like Jun 01 06:06:01 too bad i don't think end users will ever meet them :( Jun 01 06:06:26 timeless_mbp, how so? Jun 01 06:06:30 Some people are lucky. Jun 01 06:08:46 ruskie: the team works on an internal product :( Jun 01 06:09:02 but the team does things that seem unbelievable to me... Jun 01 06:09:07 they respond to suggestions! Jun 01 06:09:24 Woah! Jun 01 06:09:27 :P Jun 01 06:10:47 yeah i know… unbelievable Jun 01 06:14:10 Hehehe... Jun 01 06:14:53 I love how much Intel's markety-speak for this sounds like people advertising "amazing" 10-year old computers for four times their value: http://syndication.intel.com/DistributeModule.aspx?ppc_cid=WTM_02105071701 Jun 01 06:15:47 hey Jun 01 06:15:56 playing games on i486 sucked at a certain point Jun 01 06:16:06 ...and it still does now Jun 01 06:16:06 and surfing the web w/ it instead of a pentium was depressing Jun 01 06:16:32 Yeah, I just am amused at how even Intel can't really find anything good to say about their low-end processors. Jun 01 06:16:36 the i486s at my high school library still depress me Jun 01 06:16:42 we only had a couple of pentiums Jun 01 06:16:45 They still have them? Jun 01 06:16:46 Oh. Jun 01 06:16:49 You had me worried. Jun 01 06:17:00 dunno, i haven't been back in ages Jun 01 06:17:04 i sure hope not Jun 01 06:17:28 in other news, i met an infected laptop last night Jun 01 06:17:31 they are upgraded to PIII I bet Jun 01 06:17:33 :) Jun 01 06:17:45 and i think i managed to clean it w/o reinstalling the world Jun 01 06:17:50 it was fun actually Jun 01 06:18:15 jaem: what do you think of: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/screenshots/Screenshot-20100601-024250.png Jun 01 06:18:53 timeless_mbp, looks good to me, but I forget what it originally looked like. Jun 01 06:18:54 Heh. Jun 01 06:19:06 jaem: um, hrm Jun 01 06:19:13 yeah, i suppose i need a before/after shot Jun 01 06:19:14 I only have one N900 with me right now, and I don't want to mess with it to see. :P Jun 01 06:19:18 lemme switch locales Jun 01 06:19:23 timeless_mbp, sure. Jun 01 06:20:18 timeless_mbp, you wouldn't happen to know anyone involved in the beta SDK who I could poke about something, do you? I've hung up on a weird issue, and wondering if the "Beta" label has anything to do with it. Jun 01 06:20:37 yes Jun 01 06:20:45 which beta sdk is this? Jun 01 06:20:57 the new Qt SDK, from April 27 Jun 01 06:20:58 ish Jun 01 06:21:05 hrm, no? Jun 01 06:21:16 there's a #qt-maemo right? Jun 01 06:21:24 A g++ command line that should be fine is bailing on a missing header, which is exactly where it's looking. Jun 01 06:21:27 Is there? Jun 01 06:21:38 ahah Jun 01 06:21:42 aha* Jun 01 06:22:31 I just went and explained it at length in #qt, to no reply. Jun 01 06:22:42 I'm hesitant to just paste it all over to another channel Jun 01 06:22:50 * jaem frowns Jun 01 06:23:04 I think it's an environmental issue in MADDE Jun 01 06:23:24 oil leak? Jun 01 06:24:08 timeless_mbp: and #qt-labs too Jun 01 06:24:20 Stskeeps, I'm not sure... there are a lot of variables to consider. Jun 01 06:24:31 -snerk- Jun 01 06:25:19 http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/screenshots/Screenshot-20100601-092429.png Jun 01 06:25:22 is a "before" shot Jun 01 06:25:26 Stskeeps, naw, it's just that the build works fine natively, and the headers are where they should be, but somehow when I run an (apparently) equivalent build inside Qt Creator, it can't find the header, in (apparently) the same place it could before. Jun 01 06:25:45 Hence, I'm guessing it's an environment issue, or something else to do with MADDE's voodoo Jun 01 06:26:44 timeless_mbp, yes, that looks much better than before. Jun 01 06:27:00 jaem: what amuses me is the button label Jun 01 06:27:24 The arrow on the button is a nice touch, and the text has been compressed while /gaining/ clarity, IMO Jun 01 06:27:29 timeless_mbp, is this your work? Jun 01 06:27:40 i did this if that's what you mean Jun 01 06:27:45 timeless_mbp, yes Jun 01 06:28:45 jaem: minor warning, i'm making random updates to my locale so things aren't always perfect Jun 01 06:29:00 timeless_mbp, sure Jun 01 06:30:50 are you running 1.1.1 or 1.2? Jun 01 06:31:03 * timeless_mbp has one 1.1.1- string to fix still Jun 01 06:31:07 1.2 Jun 01 06:31:13 it's my favorite string: Jun 01 06:31:14 msgstr "XXX How did you get here?" Jun 01 06:31:23 I'd be happy to help you with strings later, but I can't right now. Jun 01 06:31:25 Ha! Jun 01 06:31:32 Where's that one from? Jun 01 06:31:33 i wrote that because in 1.2 the string doesn't happen Jun 01 06:31:44 Ah... :D Jun 01 06:31:51 it took me visiting a friend w/ my strings running 1.1.1 to finally spot it Jun 01 06:32:06 if you're using 1.2, you'll never see it :) Jun 01 06:32:10 does maemo5 support 64bit yet? Jun 01 06:32:13 timeless_mbp, I think you'll appreciate this, which I found the other day. Jun 01 06:32:16 the sdk Jun 01 06:32:25 zeke: "the sdk: Jun 01 06:32:27 zeke, Yeah, my 64-bit N900... Jun 01 06:32:28 aw, darn Jun 01 06:32:32 that sounds monolithic Jun 01 06:32:33 zeke, you're too quick Jun 01 06:32:36 :P Jun 01 06:32:51 timeless_mbp, link: http://imagebin.ca/view/MQc2TA.html Jun 01 06:33:01 because I have to use a 64bit OS, and last time it bitched about me using 64bit Jun 01 06:33:13 jaem: nice Jun 01 06:33:13 zeke, the beta SDK is fine on 64-bit Linux Jun 01 06:33:18 timeless_mbp, I thought so. Jun 01 06:33:30 I discovered it while talking (in meatspace) with a Symbian guy. Jun 01 06:33:39 zeke: so, depending on how new/old your kernel is, there's sometimes something that you have to tune Jun 01 06:33:54 jaem: is it limited to the perforce tab? Jun 01 06:33:58 He agreed that I should mock it before reporting it. :P Jun 01 06:34:05 timeless_mbp, I think so, but I forgot to check. Jun 01 06:34:16 timeless_mbp: I run Gentoo Jun 01 06:34:26 zeke: i don't care =) Jun 01 06:34:28 so I always use the latest everything :) Jun 01 06:34:29 i have normal scratchbox 1 and it works fine on Jun 01 06:34:32 Linux jacekowski.org 2.6.32.2-xxxx-grs-ipv4-64 #1 SMP Tue Dec 29 14:41:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux Jun 01 06:34:51 Linux narfxeon 2.6.33-gentoo-r2 #1 SMP Fri May 14 23:55:47 Local time zone must be set--see zic x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3440 @ 2.53GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux Jun 01 06:34:59 zeke, you remind me of the guy on #kde last release, who was bragging about how Slackware had their packages out 45 min after release. Jun 01 06:35:08 I pointed out that Arch had theirs out >1hr before. :P Jun 01 06:35:13 * jaem high fives zeke Jun 01 06:35:14 hahaha Jun 01 06:35:25 * zeke high fives back and raises eyebrow Jun 01 06:35:53 * timeless_mbp frowns Jun 01 06:35:58 what the heck is in post-build-checks ? Jun 01 06:36:00 gentoo Jun 01 06:36:10 other than stuff that makes my xref EEP a lot :( Jun 01 06:36:12 such a waste of resources Jun 01 06:36:29 jacekowski: well my machine whoops yours :P Jun 01 06:36:30 XD Jun 01 06:36:44 http://pastebin.mozilla.org/730051 Jun 01 06:36:50 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3360 @ 2.83GHz Jun 01 06:36:55 4 core Jun 01 06:37:01 and 8G of ram Jun 01 06:37:03 are you sure? Jun 01 06:37:11 jacekowski: well, mine makes a nice lap warmer Jun 01 06:37:20 does yours weigh too much to fit comfortably on your lap? Jun 01 06:37:32 Sysinfo for 'narfxeon': Linux 2.6.33-gentoo-r2 running KDE Development Platform 4.4.81 (KDE 4.4.81 (KDE 4.5 >= 20100527)), CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3440 @ 2.53GHz at 2534 MHz (5371 bogomips), HD: 112/458GB, RAM: 5046/5973MB, 232 proc's, 13.21h up Jun 01 06:37:34 :) Jun 01 06:37:34 it's mounted in rack Jun 01 06:37:47 yeah, mine is better Jun 01 06:37:52 yeah, ETOOHEAVY Jun 01 06:37:52 please Jun 01 06:38:35 and ETOOWIDE Jun 01 06:38:44 definitely not a proper lap warmer Jun 01 06:39:17 jaem: fwiw, the XXX string above means: Jun 01 06:39:18 msgstr "Select Status to Edit" Jun 01 06:39:26 but that feels too long Jun 01 06:39:45 http://fichtre.net/yop.html Jun 01 06:39:48 open that Jun 01 06:39:51 and press ctrl+a Jun 01 06:40:32 timeless_mbp, did I miss something, or are you commenting on the thing from a while back? Jun 01 06:40:50 yeah Jun 01 06:41:40 timeless_mbp: besides, it warms whole room instead of just lap Jun 01 06:42:24 jacekowski: oh sure Jun 01 06:43:22 when is the maemo update for US n900's? Jun 01 06:43:26 and where can i read what the update has Jun 01 06:45:02 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 ? Jun 01 06:47:02 acidjazz: afaik it should have been available ages ago Jun 01 06:47:33 ah i see it Jun 01 06:47:41 sorry my n900 has been off for a while Jun 01 06:47:53 whats in it? Jun 01 06:49:02 acidjazz, Skype/Jabber video calling, for one thing. Jun 01 06:49:11 Skype video seems to work quite well. Jun 01 06:49:23 There's a list on the wiki. Jun 01 06:49:30 url to wiki pls Jun 01 06:49:42 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2 ? Jun 01 06:49:55 A few big things like that, a long list of bugfixes, and a fair amount of small changes and additions that you'll run into as you poke around the device. Jun 01 06:50:12 For instance, overdue Tasks in calendar are now in Red text Jun 01 06:50:15 Yeah, should be. Jun 01 06:50:37 Sigh... maybe I should take a break from this stupid problem. Jun 01 06:50:38 jaem: interesting Jun 01 06:50:43 * timeless_mbp never uses tasks Jun 01 06:50:48 It's driving me crazy. Jun 01 06:50:59 exhibit A: I just almost put toothpaste on my razor Jun 01 06:51:01 >_< Jun 01 06:51:12 great Jun 01 06:51:18 i dont have enough room for the update Jun 01 06:51:32 timeless_mbp, yeah, it's helpful, but I wish they'd taken my suggestion and added a "Postpone" button, like RememberTheMilk has Jun 01 06:51:35 acidjazz, see topic Jun 01 06:55:17 lol Jun 01 06:55:37 nic esolutions Jun 01 06:55:47 maemfail Jun 01 06:57:34 What's the most stable/safest unzip app? Jun 01 06:57:46 ?? Jun 01 06:57:53 how dangerous should an unzip be? Jun 01 06:57:53 Tuukka, unzip Jun 01 06:57:58 which is command line Jun 01 06:58:05 there is an unzip addon for the file manager, as well Jun 01 06:58:16 oh, that sounds dangerous Jun 01 06:58:17 :) Jun 01 06:58:21 Tuukka, You can generally assume that anything in Extras is safe. Jun 01 06:58:45 Of course, you can never be 100% sure of anything unless you've read every line of code and built the app yourself Jun 01 06:58:48 jaem, by unzip you mean zip? Jun 01 06:58:55 But I wouldn't worry about "safety" Jun 01 06:59:04 Tuukka, the program is called unzip, but it does both. Jun 01 06:59:27 jaem: weren't zip and unzip in distinct packages? Jun 01 06:59:36 timeless_mbp, maybe? I can't remember. Jun 01 06:59:43 I thought the unzip binary did both functions. Jun 01 07:00:09 from memory they're like the pkzip versions Jun 01 07:00:10 incestuous Jun 01 07:00:13 but distinct Jun 01 07:00:31 nothing i uninstall is freeing up room on / Jun 01 07:00:32 heh Jun 01 07:00:51 this is retarded Jun 01 07:01:41 timeless_mbp, in regards to your question about the screenshot, the label doesn't seem to exist in the other tabs, so I assume it's limited to the Perforce tab. Jun 01 07:02:22 why doesnt the maemo update just use the 32gb of room? Jun 01 07:02:25 the f Jun 01 07:03:10 acidjazz: you mean "why doesn't the maemo update eat all of my data, songs, music, videos, photos of my gf"? Jun 01 07:03:31 let me think about that! Jun 01 07:03:56 that doesnt make sense Jun 01 07:04:24 why does uninstalling apps not show more room on ? Jun 01 07:04:27 which part? Jun 01 07:04:27 ? Jun 01 07:04:30 => / Jun 01 07:04:47 reboot Jun 01 07:04:55 the file system doesn't work the way you think it works Jun 01 07:05:04 so often you need to reboot to actually get space back Jun 01 07:05:18 and this is fairly typical for file systems Jun 01 07:05:40 whats the command to run things as root again Jun 01 07:06:09 did you just tell me its fairly typpical that filesystems need to be rebooted to see current the current available room? Jun 01 07:06:27 you don't reboot file systems Jun 01 07:06:29 but basically Jun 01 07:06:34 * timeless_mbp ponders Jun 01 07:06:42 "root" Jun 01 07:06:46 @acidjazz Jun 01 07:06:52 imagine you have a spot on the beech Jun 01 07:06:55 hrm, beach Jun 01 07:07:20 you build a nice sand castle and stick some plastic around the castle to protect it from the waves Jun 01 07:07:27 you decide it's time to go home Jun 01 07:07:31 so you take your plastic with you Jun 01 07:07:42 ah gainroot Jun 01 07:07:44 the castle doesn't magically disappear just because the plastic is gone Jun 01 07:08:01 but the next kid who comes along can try to kick the castle Jun 01 07:08:06 it might work, or it might be too hard Jun 01 07:08:14 timeless_mbp, you were that kid, weren't you? Jerk. :P Jun 01 07:08:28 if you come back the next day after high tide Jun 01 07:08:33 the waves will have wiped out your castle Jun 01 07:08:40 that's kinda like the reboot step Jun 01 07:08:45 That analogy is made of win. Jun 01 07:08:58 things which are protected by plastic don't go away even when the waves come Jun 01 07:09:19 but things which aren't don't magically disappear unless waves or something else comes along Jun 01 07:09:35 FAILMO Jun 01 07:09:57 rebooted Jun 01 07:10:01 .5mb freed up Jun 01 07:10:04 anyone here still using the PalmOS VM ? Jun 01 07:10:04 29.5mb free now Jun 01 07:10:10 im gonna snap this phone in half Jun 01 07:10:19 acidjazz: are you using 1.1.1? Jun 01 07:10:31 morning Jun 01 07:10:59 1.1.1 of what Jun 01 07:11:13 maemo 5 3.2010.02-8.002 Jun 01 07:11:49 eww Jun 01 07:11:55 that's some regional variant Jun 01 07:12:04 * timeless_mbp would back up and reflash w/ global Jun 01 07:12:09 regional variants are disturbing Jun 01 07:12:18 its whatever the thing came w/ Jun 01 07:12:30 Gah... I finally figured it out. Jun 01 07:12:37 im not listening to you after your creepy sandcastle story Jun 01 07:12:41 whatd u figure out jaem Jun 01 07:12:53 hey, i wasn't the one who kicked the sand castle! Jun 01 07:12:55 that was jaem! Jun 01 07:13:01 acidjazz, the problem that was making me distracted enough to almost put toothpaste on my razor Jun 01 07:13:11 * timeless_mbp points an accusatory yellow plastic shovel Jun 01 07:13:27 timeless_mbp, I made you a scapegoat first - read the scrollback - therefore your scapegoating of me is invalid Jun 01 07:13:28 Ha Jun 01 07:13:41 http://base0.googlehosted.com/base_media?q=http://i20.ebayimg.com/04/i/001/05/6c/55cb_1.JPG%3Fset_id%3D800005007&size=18&dhm=4f4d2dcb&hl=en Jun 01 07:13:57 acidjazz, timeless_mbp, it turns out that if I stick my headers in the MADDE target rootfs prefix, it all works nicely Jun 01 07:14:01 * jaem grumbles Jun 01 07:14:14 Well, that was a lovely waste of - what? Four hours or so. Jun 01 07:14:22 Not that I was doing that the whole time, but still Jun 01 07:14:23 Gah. Jun 01 07:14:33 whta ar eu working on jaem Jun 01 07:15:01 acidjazz, currently? Trying to get a demo app for a university project to compile in the SDK. Jun 01 07:15:20 My prof needs it running on Symbian in short order, for some event he's going to Jun 01 07:16:06 what school is this Jun 01 07:16:09 how would a maemo sdk help you w/ a symbian problem? Jun 01 07:16:11 a java class? Jun 01 07:17:14 acidjazz, Simon Fraser University, BC, Canada Jun 01 07:17:20 and no, not Java (blech) Jun 01 07:17:24 It's C/C++/Qt Jun 01 07:18:10 timeless_mbp, Getting it building in the SDK at all was the first step, and the new SDK builds for both. (Well, Symbian isn't supported on a Linux host yet, but it will be in release) Jun 01 07:18:38 * timeless_mbp frowns Jun 01 07:18:42 I just thought that trying to solve an SDK-specific problem would be easier if I kept the amount of things I wasn't familiar with down to one. Jun 01 07:18:44 my gmailbox is 10% full Jun 01 07:20:11 timeless_mbp, so, it was happy finding and linking to a library in $randompath, but it couldn't find the headers for it anywhere but the cross-compiler's include prefix, despite the correct g++ -I switch. Jun 01 07:20:21 Would that count as an SDK bug, do you think? Jun 01 07:20:52 i think we fought something like that in a previous sdk Jun 01 07:20:56 we gave up Jun 01 07:21:02 and decided the sdk people were stupid Jun 01 07:21:49 is there a google maps app for maemo yet? Jun 01 07:22:00 how do i reset the whole phone Jun 01 07:22:04 acidjazz: there's maepero or something Jun 01 07:22:09 and wipe everythign on this thing Jun 01 07:22:11 just open google maps in the browser? Jun 01 07:22:12 which can use google maps Jun 01 07:22:19 or you could just use the browser Jun 01 07:22:27 in 1.2 the browser has integrated location suppor Jun 01 07:22:27 t Jun 01 07:22:38 (in 1.1.1 you had to install an extension) Jun 01 07:24:03 timeless_mbp, the app is called mappero, but the package itself hasn't transitioned, and is still called maemo-mapper Jun 01 07:24:13 timeless_mbp, Oh? Gah, how do I disable that? Jun 01 07:24:21 It would have been nice if they'd mentioned that up-front. Jun 01 07:24:48 I might end up using it at some point, but I like to *know* when those sorts of features are enabled. Jun 01 07:25:03 jaem: the browser asks permission! Jun 01 07:25:13 timeless_mbp, oh, good. Jun 01 07:25:20 it doesn't go off and give away your location... Jun 01 07:25:22 I presume that webapps can still detect the feature, though? Jun 01 07:25:26 we're not quite *that* stupid Jun 01 07:25:32 sure Jun 01 07:25:48 Heh, no, I figured there would be an "off" switch, but I wasn't sure it if was opt-in on a per-site basis. Jun 01 07:26:05 the clever people unfortunately didn't provide a good way to lie about position Jun 01 07:26:06 which sucks Jun 01 07:26:15 * timeless_mbp curses enthusiasts Jun 01 07:27:33 so Jun 01 07:27:47 did maemo gets socks proxy support yet? Jun 01 07:30:03 mc_teo: eh? Jun 01 07:30:10 the browser engine supports socks Jun 01 07:30:22 the ui unfortunately doesn't prioritize socks Jun 01 07:31:06 i think you can use a PAC file Jun 01 07:31:27 timeless: i never thought of that Jun 01 07:31:41 fwiw i didn't the last time you or someone else asked a day or two ago Jun 01 07:32:02 but a google search for iphone socks proxy suggested it Jun 01 07:32:04 i remembered there was someway to bookmark the about:config settings Jun 01 07:32:14 that unfortunately doesn't work anymore Jun 01 07:32:23 it relied on code i had written for about:config Jun 01 07:32:26 of all the strategies to free up 100mb on / for the update whats the most effective? Jun 01 07:32:33 but we replaced that w/ the standard gecko about:config :( Jun 01 07:32:46 … and well, we support PAC, so what's good for apple is good for us :) Jun 01 07:33:02 acidjazz: back up your applications and reflash :) Jun 01 07:33:03 ah, so a PAC it is then Jun 01 07:33:07 it'll save you time Jun 01 07:33:14 mc_teo: http://snipplr.com/view.php?id=16563 fwiw Jun 01 07:33:34 acidjazz: the backup can record the list of applications you've installed Jun 01 07:33:38 and it will save your settings Jun 01 07:33:53 so after you reflash you can restore your backup, and then restore your apps Jun 01 07:34:01 it's going to be faster than freeing up 100mb of space Jun 01 07:34:12 yeah, much faster Jun 01 07:34:26 as often its conflicting packages too Jun 01 07:34:40 i spent hours making rootfs smaller Jun 01 07:34:44 i'm not saying it isn't possible to do it, i've done it for a few devices Jun 01 07:34:50 but it can easily cost 4 hours Jun 01 07:34:59 and then it still wouldnt update ota Jun 01 07:35:05 heh Jun 01 07:40:55 who made RDS Notify? Jun 01 07:41:16 or ported Jun 01 07:42:48 LiraNuna, Maintainers: Fabrice Crohas Jun 01 07:42:57 maybe? Jun 01 07:43:08 http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmrdsnotify/ Jun 01 07:43:12 oooh Jun 01 07:43:33 LiraNuna, technically maintainer doesn't necessarily == author Jun 01 07:43:42 I understand Jun 01 07:43:45 Although in the Maemo world, it quite often does. Jun 01 07:44:04 If you can't find the original author, they should be able to get you in touch, though, in any case Jun 01 07:45:16 well, I'd like to offer improvements, and I don't know how to Jun 01 07:45:20 mm, does media player support flac? Jun 01 07:45:26 timeless_mbp: there a tutorial for this? Jun 01 07:45:36 cause i'd like to listen to new trent's ep Jun 01 07:46:45 acidjazz: "how to create a backup"? Jun 01 07:46:51 1. open the task launcher Jun 01 07:46:54 2. open backup Jun 01 07:46:57 3. create backup Jun 01 07:46:59 4. give it a name Jun 01 07:47:16 5. create backup (it should back up everything by default, w/o a password) Jun 01 07:47:34 6. follow the flashing instructions in the wiki to just reflash the rootfs (*not* the eMMC) Jun 01 07:47:44 7. turn on the n900 Jun 01 07:47:51 8. open the task launcher Jun 01 07:47:53 9. open backup Jun 01 07:47:56 10. restore backup Jun 01 07:48:00 11. it will reboot Jun 01 07:48:08 12. open the task launcher Jun 01 07:48:12 13. open app manager Jun 01 07:48:16 14. tap the title area Jun 01 07:48:20 15. select restore applications Jun 01 07:48:25 … it's something like that Jun 01 07:48:37 actually in theory backup should offer to run app manager for you Jun 01 07:48:41 so it's arguably simpler than that Jun 01 07:48:50 none of this is complicated Jun 01 07:48:55 it's designed for normal customers Jun 01 07:49:03 okie Jun 01 07:49:07 the labels while not perfect aren't terrible either Jun 01 07:49:10 the flasher part is def ont for normal customers Jun 01 07:49:17 nothign about this is for normal customers Jun 01 07:49:17 oddly, it is Jun 01 07:49:17 lol Jun 01 07:49:27 we ship a windows application which does flashing Jun 01 07:49:53 it might be http://betalabs.nokia.com/apps/nokia-software-updater Jun 01 07:49:56 not certain Jun 01 07:49:58 * timeless_mbp doesn't use it Jun 01 07:50:29 actually Jun 01 07:50:31 * timeless_mbp ponders Jun 01 07:50:40 betalabs.nokia.com feels like an internal site i used recently Jun 01 07:50:47 i dont even have a usb cable around right now Jun 01 07:51:30 well…. you could spend hours trying to free up space Jun 01 07:51:34 or an hour getting a cable Jun 01 07:53:21 or i could turn it off Jun 01 07:53:27 and put it back in my droor of useless gadgets Jun 01 07:56:51 SpeedEvil: ping Jun 01 08:05:42 acidjazz: flash is not mystical, it is a standard procedure Jun 01 08:06:29 flash (the kind from adobe) certainly is :P Jun 01 08:07:14 timeless_mbp: is it summer in helsinki yet? Jun 01 08:07:28 adobe flash is "Internet herpes" Jun 01 08:07:30 acidjazz: NSU is tool for normal users Jun 01 08:07:31 it's nice in Turku at least. Jun 01 08:07:34 I mean Ã…bo Jun 01 08:07:35 lucent: >:D Jun 01 08:07:39 frals: there's sun out today Jun 01 08:07:41 no Jun 01 08:07:44 and i'm wearing shorts right now Jun 01 08:07:47 Turku - please Jun 01 08:07:48 but i haven't gone outside yet Jun 01 08:07:50 not åbo Jun 01 08:07:57 it's Ã…bo. Jun 01 08:08:02 Turku Jun 01 08:08:05 Ã…bo Jun 01 08:08:11 get a room Jun 01 08:08:16 LOL Jun 01 08:08:18 :D Jun 01 08:08:30 the flasher i used before was a dos cli Jun 01 08:08:42 timeless_mbp: mkay Jun 01 08:08:42 dos? Jun 01 08:09:00 I used the Linux instructions Jun 01 08:09:09 uh, whats the language codethingy for czech? cz? Jun 01 08:09:33 cs-CZ ? Jun 01 08:10:09 yeah, cs. doh, uploaded file to transifex as cz ;( Jun 01 08:10:31 file a bug asking transifex to warn :) Jun 01 08:10:38 it's a common mistake Jun 01 08:10:43 seriously Jun 01 08:10:43 the lack of ways to remove a translation from the transifex website is disturbing Jun 01 08:10:52 file a bug for that too ;-) Jun 01 08:11:53 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cs-CZ+language Jun 01 08:11:58 cs-CZ language — Czech Jun 01 08:11:58 - FeedbackIs this accurate? Yes NoThank you for your feedback. Jun 01 08:11:59 According to file-extensions.org, nabble.com, wikipedia.org and 6 others - Jun 01 08:11:59 Show sources Jun 01 08:12:12 why does the maemo port of keepassx not see the memory card on file open dialog? Jun 01 08:12:27 Qt... Jun 01 08:19:57 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2794697160372660442# Jun 01 08:20:13 "no but i saw the movie" Jun 01 08:20:47 wat is this Jun 01 08:30:01 * timeless_mbp frowns Jun 01 08:30:08 ok, so not following symlinks would be bad Jun 01 08:30:14 * timeless_mbp needs a better solution Jun 01 08:31:53 pupnik: do you have the deb source for your warzone2100 port anywhere? Jun 01 08:31:57 anybody with beagleboard here? Jun 01 08:32:07 smoku: have you tried apt-get source? Jun 01 08:33:17 mhm, chrome.pl? Jun 01 08:33:40 unlikely Jun 01 08:34:09 i'll start with ubuntu debs then, as usuall :) Jun 01 08:34:59 jacekowski: i'm on jabber-irc transport Jun 01 08:35:52 well, i think chrome.pl admin nick was "smoku" Jun 01 08:36:04 jacekowski: cause it is Jun 01 08:36:57 Hey guys Jun 01 08:37:03 have some trouble with my phone Jun 01 08:37:19 was running titans kernel and did a apt-get upgrade earlier today Jun 01 08:37:31 lots of stuff got updated since i didn't know pr1.2 had come out Jun 01 08:37:38 viliny_: everybody warned you that oc breaks phone Jun 01 08:37:51 yeah, true Jun 01 08:38:38 but my problem right now is that my apt-get is having trouble after it updated the phone partially and seems to have lost symlink for archives that someone here suggested i do earlier to be able to do apt-get upgrade in the first place Jun 01 08:39:09 so i would need to set that up so that it works again, or failing that -> can i just reflash the device to a default state and move on forward from there? Jun 01 08:39:23 the phone works but i have a load of updates that won't go through as it is right now Jun 01 08:40:33 viliny_: PR1.2 brings new eMMC layout (lot of stuff was moved there), so if your upgrade was interrupted, I guess you're out of luck and need to reflash both the rootfs and eMMC Jun 01 08:41:07 smoku: oh alright, does that mean the phone will be cleaned completely? Jun 01 08:41:43 i wouldn't mind starting over at this point Jun 01 08:42:31 any nudge towards an up-to-date article about doing the reflash? Jun 01 08:43:08 dneary, \o Jun 01 08:43:27 just upgrading packages worked here, after freeing up much space Jun 01 08:43:35 but not recommended! Jun 01 08:43:41 pupnik: i suspect that would work for me too Jun 01 08:44:04 but my apt get archives were symbolic linked earlier and now thats not in effect anymore and theres some directory troubles Jun 01 08:45:58 hi ZogG Jun 01 08:46:32 Anyone know if there's an easy way in the graphical user interface to see how much rootfs space is left? Jun 01 08:46:37 E: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing. #when doing apt-get update Jun 01 08:46:41 df -h doesn't seem the most user friendly :) Jun 01 08:46:52 dneary: storage usage Jun 01 08:46:53 dneary: three's something in the file manager Jun 01 08:46:58 dneary, conky ) Jun 01 08:47:28 viliny_: symlinking archives was the only way to get em all pulled-in Jun 01 08:47:42 E: Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (2 no such file or archive) Jun 01 08:47:45 when upgrading Jun 01 08:47:53 viliny_: do you have root access? you may try "mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives/partial" Jun 01 08:48:03 one moment Jun 01 08:48:07 whats does p do? Jun 01 08:48:17 viliny_: parents Jun 01 08:48:19 creates the whole path Jun 01 08:48:27 with all needed subdirectories Jun 01 08:49:15 cannot create directory '/var/cache/apt/archives/' No such file or directory Jun 01 08:49:18 jacekowski, "memory for installable applications" lies though Jun 01 08:50:05 reports 1.7GB free, df -h reports 77MB in rootfs Jun 01 08:50:21 dneary, in memory in settings? Jun 01 08:50:32 viliny_: remove the dead symlink and try again :) Jun 01 08:50:45 ZogG_N900, No - in file manager->Memory usage Jun 01 08:50:47 dneary: i don't think you can get info about rootfs from Maemo's UI Jun 01 08:51:04 dneary / ZogG: that's the same widget Jun 01 08:51:07 just w/ two entrypoints Jun 01 08:51:21 heya all. i was wondering, would it be possible to install this http://www.secdev.org/projects/ipv6world/ on n900? (if someone is knowlegable enough ofc) Jun 01 08:51:22 smoku i guess it was done in the "default way" last time, how do i go about finding out where it is and what to do? Jun 01 08:51:25 dneary: you need to use X Terminal Jun 01 08:51:27 df -h / Jun 01 08:51:30 timeless_mbp, Someone created a bug saying "timeless isn't nice" Jun 01 08:51:39 dneary: that was me Jun 01 08:51:40 dneary, Lies! Jun 01 08:51:44 oh... Jun 01 08:51:48 timeless_mbp, link? Jun 01 08:51:49 timeless_mbp, I think I should close it as "WORKSFORME" Jun 01 08:51:50 the problem is the '-,' part Jun 01 08:51:51 smoku: and the symlink target probably still exists so maybe i can re-link it there if it's just dropped the link between updates? Jun 01 08:51:57 dneary: i saw your comment Jun 01 08:51:58 dneary, heh, yes. Jun 01 08:52:07 timeless_mbp, Ah, that wasn't clear to me, sorry :) Jun 01 08:52:17 dneary: if you log in, you can see the reporter... Jun 01 08:52:22 the complaint is that it doesn't let me hide my last name Jun 01 08:52:32 even though long ago i told it not to show my last name Jun 01 08:52:42 ...found it Jun 01 08:52:52 jaem: it's actually filed twice Jun 01 08:53:00 Heh... Jun 01 08:53:06 timeless_mbp, I don't suppose you'd consider setting your last name to t, and your first name to imeless - that would almost solve it Jun 01 08:53:08 because filing it the first time didn't work properly Jun 01 08:53:23 dneary: i'd rather do tim eless Jun 01 08:53:30 dneary, does file manager have details? Jun 01 08:53:31 except, i recently met a guy... Jun 01 08:53:31 timeless_mbp, I mean, it wasn't clear to me that "-," was the problem Jun 01 08:53:55 dneary: the bug itself wasn't clear? oh dear :( Jun 01 08:54:03 timeless_mbp, I did actually notice that you were the reporter Jun 01 08:54:10 timeless_mbp, what is your name, anyway? Jun 01 08:54:10 i like memorable bug summaries Jun 01 08:54:13 zlimvos_: don't see why not, presuming the source is available and it doesn't use any really odd libraries Jun 01 08:54:46 zlimvos_: you'll need a custom kernel if it needs ipv6 support, but there is one in extras-something Jun 01 08:54:54 viliny_: I guess you would need a fresh PR1.2 flashed N900 for comparison Jun 01 08:55:05 things to do next time in nokialand: find timeless office and see what name is on the door Jun 01 08:55:08 jaem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zalndXdxriI time stamp 10s Jun 01 08:55:09 zlimvos_: just try building it according to it's instructions using the SDK Jun 01 08:55:19 "that would be telling" Jun 01 08:55:56 frals: sadly the doors in our wing are unreliable Jun 01 08:55:59 BCMM: yeap, i saw about that. was hoping it would be in pr1.2 (ipv6 support) put apparently not. i hope this kernel customization is only module changes. Thanx for the info! Jun 01 08:56:08 sometimes they're missing people or have names on the wrong offices Jun 01 08:56:21 heck my mailbox's label has been wrong for months Jun 01 08:56:22 zlimvos_: nah, it's a whole new kernel - don't worry, it probably won't eat your family Jun 01 08:56:41 sp3000: is my name on the right door these days? Jun 01 08:56:51 alright well i'll just flash the device again Jun 01 08:56:51 zlimvos_: it's nothing too strange really, just a slightly newer kernel with some extra options turned on Jun 01 08:56:53 * timeless_mbp should walk to work just to check Jun 01 08:56:55 any tips? Jun 01 08:57:00 not the last time I saw it ...last week? Jun 01 08:57:09 heh Jun 01 08:57:15 frals: see? :) Jun 01 08:57:16 im about to flash the fiasco image in but do i NEED to flash the emmc aswell? Jun 01 08:57:27 no Jun 01 08:57:41 viliny_: if you want to lose all your data, you can Jun 01 08:57:50 if you don't want to lose your data, flashing the emmc would be a bad diea Jun 01 08:57:54 s/diea/idea/ Jun 01 08:57:55 timeless_mbp meant: if you don't want to lose your data, flashing the emmc would be a bad idea Jun 01 08:57:56 timeless_mbp: bah ;) Jun 01 08:58:14 frals: thank … um... Jun 01 08:58:23 sp3000: what's the name of that group? something resources? Jun 01 08:58:37 facilities? Jun 01 08:58:57 they're too busy knocking down walls to get the names on offices right Jun 01 08:59:45 timeless: im having some trouble pasting links to this virtual machine im ircing from but is the RX-51_2009SE_xxxxxx.bin the file i want to use as fiasco? Jun 01 08:59:53 says pr1.2 global Jun 01 08:59:57 hehe timeless_mbp Jun 01 09:00:11 sounds right, but ask someone else, i don't flash regularly Jun 01 09:00:18 heck, i usually get my friends to do it for me :) Jun 01 09:00:35 * timeless_mbp ponders Jun 01 09:00:38 actually, 2009? Jun 01 09:00:41 sounds bad Jun 01 09:00:54 * timeless_mbp grumbles Jun 01 09:00:54 gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Jun 01 09:01:06 so has anyone burned out their n900 by overclocking yet? :P Jun 01 09:01:13 need bugzilla to customise the "comments" field for each product Jun 01 09:01:14 which clever person made up the naming convention for those files? :( Jun 01 09:01:29 frals: you mean the template? Jun 01 09:01:33 yeah Jun 01 09:01:46 you can write your own template links Jun 01 09:02:23 whereabouts would i do that in bugs.maemo.org? Jun 01 09:02:46 eww Jun 01 09:02:53 maybe you can't in bugs.maemo.org Jun 01 09:02:58 it looks like someone botched the template? Jun 01 09:03:11 oh is the image supposed to be 180 megs? Jun 01 09:03:18 yeh, you can't Jun 01 09:03:23 awesome. Jun 01 09:03:30 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Webtools&version=0.9&component=Core&rep_platform=All&op_sys=Mer&priority=Low&bug_severity=enhancement&bug_status=NEW&alias=&bug_file_loc=http%3A%2F%2F&short_desc=[network-manager-applet]%20incorrect%20vpn%20settings%20message%20is%20in%20the%20past%20tense&comment=hi&keywords=&dependson=&blocked=&maketemplate=Remember%20values%20as%20bookmarkable%20template&form_name=enter_bug&assigned_to= Jun 01 09:03:45 * tybollt tells tim e less about bit.ly and such Jun 01 09:03:55 https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mer&version=0.9&component=Core&rep_platform=All&op_sys=Mer&priority=Low&bug_severity=enhancement&bug_status=NEW&alias=&bug_file_loc=http%3A%2F%2F&short_desc=[network-manager-applet]%20incorrect%20vpn%20settings%20message%20is%20in%20the%20past%20tense&comment=hi&keywords=&dependson=&blocked=&maketemplate=Remember%20values%20as%20bookmarkable%20template&form_name=enter_bug&assigned_to=aklapper%40 Jun 01 09:04:14 tybollt: nah, that'd defeat the point of pasting them Jun 01 09:04:22 i don't want people to click them, i want people to read them Jun 01 09:04:43 viliny_, the file I downloaded (and successfully flashed) on the 26th is called RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin Jun 01 09:05:01 stay away from the 002 junk :) Jun 01 09:05:04 That's either the US or Global one, I forget. Jun 01 09:05:08 timeless, what is 002? Jun 01 09:05:17 * timeless_mbp pondes Jun 01 09:05:23 * timeless_mbp ponders Jun 01 09:05:26 ...I didn't mean philosophically Jun 01 09:05:41 thats not the global one Jun 01 09:05:53 stick to global :) Jun 01 09:05:57 mines the global one and thats named differently Jun 01 09:06:12 timeless_mbp, any particular reason? I may anyway, but I'm curious. Jun 01 09:06:15 the 10.2010.19 bit is important Jun 01 09:06:29 jaem: they aren't what's used by the majority of testers Jun 01 09:06:37 aight it's flashing Jun 01 09:06:42 and engineers at nokia generally know very little about what's actually in them Jun 01 09:06:44 hope i won't end up with a brick later today :) Jun 01 09:06:45 or how they differ Jun 01 09:06:54 which means you have something which is just "magically different" Jun 01 09:06:59 that's never a good starting point Jun 01 09:07:00 timeless_mbp, ah, good to know. Jun 01 09:07:09 it isn't that we can't flash w/ it Jun 01 09:07:17 or that they're entirely untested Jun 01 09:07:17 Is the global firmware "generic", then, for those purposes? Jun 01 09:07:23 No, I understand. Jun 01 09:07:24 yes Jun 01 09:07:29 It makes sense, and thanks. Jun 01 09:07:48 this of course doesn't necessarily align w/ nokia's message Jun 01 09:07:52 but i'm not nokia's messenger :) Jun 01 09:08:20 Yeah, that caveat was implicit, as far as I'm concerned, but it's useful to know, from my end of things. Jun 01 09:09:22 good * all i need a hand removing a broken deb file install faild when installedwith dpkg -i kde-mmc.deb now i seem unable to remove it with dpkg -r kde-mmc.deb or with apt-get install -f Jun 01 09:10:02 vallhalla: apt-get autoclean Jun 01 09:10:06 vallhalla: apt-get autoremove Jun 01 09:10:07 ? Jun 01 09:10:36 tybollt: thank you for sugestion but i have tryed that also and to no avail Jun 01 09:11:22 aight, reflashed and phone seems to be ok Jun 01 09:12:29 thanks guys :) Jun 01 09:13:52 vallhalla: dpkg -P ... Jun 01 09:14:28 but hopefully you learned a lesson: don't randomly install debs Jun 01 09:17:30 timeless_mbp, I agree. If you want to trash your system, you should plan it out very carefully. Jun 01 09:17:32 :P Jun 01 09:17:41 jelly: the comand i ran to install was dpkg -i kde-mmc.deb and the error was cannot remove /etc/nss_mdns.conf no such file or directory dpkg error while cleaning up error exit status 1 Jun 01 09:18:12 vallhalla, what is the deb in question? Jun 01 09:19:47 he's probably trying to install wine :P Jun 01 09:19:47 jaem: it was to insall kde on the device the file is called kde-3.5.8-mmc1.deb Jun 01 09:19:59 Psi: tht would be silly Jun 01 09:20:04 exactly :P Jun 01 09:20:37 Psi, What?! You mean WINE *isn't* an emulator?! Jun 01 09:20:38 hehe Jun 01 09:20:44 hehe Jun 01 09:21:29 tho it can be done with the use of qemu i would have no use for it Jun 01 09:22:32 Yeah... Jun 01 09:22:44 I did at one point try running Windows 3.1 on my N810 Jun 01 09:23:03 Microsoft sure did a pretty poor job with their power management subsystem. Jun 01 09:23:05 there is a youtube of someone running win95 in dosbox on n900 Jun 01 09:23:17 ...either that, or it was never meant to run emulated on a phone. Jun 01 09:23:18 meh Jun 01 09:23:22 :) Jun 01 09:23:32 Psi, yes, I believe it takes about half an hour to boot. Jun 01 09:24:06 yeah Jun 01 09:24:10 it was slow++ Jun 01 09:24:58 *yawn* Goodnight, all. Jun 01 09:25:09 Thanks for the help, $helpfulpeople Jun 01 09:25:27 I'm too lazy to export that variable properly, so assume an appropriate value Jun 01 09:25:30 :) Jun 01 09:28:29 lol Jun 01 09:33:16 morning Jun 01 09:33:22 morning Jun 01 09:33:51 has s/o a link ready for how "contacts" works? Jun 01 09:34:23 like where/how are merges stored, I am looking at dbus atm Jun 01 09:35:17 smoku: around? http://download.gna.org/warzone/releases/0.2 Jun 01 09:35:32 I still have the problem that the connections between contacts -> [calendar,chat] are messed up Jun 01 09:36:15 smoku: disable opengl, install many libraries, and if you get sound, ukki and i will buy you beer Jun 01 09:36:46 i always read gna.org as gnaa.org :| Jun 01 09:38:30 hoho Jun 01 09:38:49 in video of "ew nokia research n900 has portrait mode Jun 01 09:39:03 for menu at list Jun 01 09:39:21 even with battery status and watch Jun 01 09:40:51 ping Jun 01 09:42:34 MohammadAG: There? Jun 01 09:43:07 * MohammadAG hides Jun 01 09:43:52 MohammadAG: Hehe - Did you have a non-crippled apt lying around? Jun 01 09:46:54 MohammadAG: No? Jun 01 09:47:07 * frals throws a whale at MohammadAG Jun 01 09:48:11 MohammadAG, saw today beautiful arabic girl, wanted to give her your phone ) Jun 01 09:48:36 o.O Jun 01 09:48:49 * MohammadAG throws a white whale at frals - have fun Jun 01 09:49:01 phellarv, I'm pretty sure sharing it is now illegal :) Jun 01 09:49:12 reviewing the points... Jun 01 09:49:21 1. they took down that specific source Jun 01 09:49:39 2. they made user/hidden installs fail Jun 01 09:49:52 3. ovi store apps are in user/hidden Jun 01 09:50:00 and i'm not delaying the ovi store :) Jun 01 09:50:12 MohammadAG: Aha - That's why the link I found was gone with the wind. Jun 01 09:50:25 MohammadAG, are u the one who hacked ovi? Jun 01 09:50:28 which link? Jun 01 09:50:33 On TMO Jun 01 09:50:56 ZogG_N900, i never hacked it, actually i don't 'hack' sites, never read a how to about it Jun 01 09:51:08 phellarv, link me to the link Jun 01 09:51:17 ZogG: typically people aren't languages Jun 01 09:51:19 MohammadAG: /q Jun 01 09:51:26 MohammadAG: /query Jun 01 09:51:43 Hi there Jun 01 09:52:36 Hilzu: Jun 01 09:52:42 damn Jun 01 09:52:48 wc Jun 01 09:53:14 so any idea on how to resurrect ossoAbook? Jun 01 09:53:34 its so weird Jun 01 09:53:35 is there any package providing ionice for OS2008? I installed MPD on my N800, worked great until the device rebooted unepectedly. Since then, I'm having serious performance issues (i remove metalayer-crawler) Jun 01 09:53:52 MohammadAG is haxor Jun 01 09:53:59 hellhaxor Jun 01 09:54:07 o.0 Jun 01 09:55:14 zaheerm, ping.. Jun 01 09:55:25 TomaszD, pong :) Jun 01 09:55:29 ScriptFanix: if its not in the repos I guess not Jun 01 09:57:28 what i do not understand is that MPD worked just fine until the reboot. as I purged metalayer-*, i don't understand which process(es) / daemon(s) are hogging the system (too many IOs) Jun 01 10:00:04 Any idea how one can go about building a virtual keyboard that uses harmattan UI framework? Jun 01 10:00:51 ScriptFanix: strace? Jun 01 10:03:20 SpeedEvil: i don'ts see how this would be of any use. MPD does many ios because it needs to read files from the SD card, the problem is that some other process is making too many IO for MPD to read its files fast enough Jun 01 10:04:52 hi there Jun 01 10:05:39 (I'm using MPD because media-player and canola2 are unusable with a 7400+ file collection) Jun 01 10:06:00 Amusingly netstreaming has less skips Jun 01 10:07:44 do you know some good bus planner for london? Jun 01 10:08:34 ScriptFanix: Find which processes are at all active. Jun 01 10:08:41 ScriptFanix: top - for example Jun 01 10:08:57 ScriptFanix: then strace them to find out if they are doing lots of IO Jun 01 10:09:36 especially look for fsync() calls Jun 01 10:09:47 they can block other IO for several seconds Jun 01 10:09:51 timeless: wr! Jun 01 10:09:53 and some apps do tons of them Jun 01 10:10:02 timeless: also, fish Jun 01 10:14:03 SpeedEvil: thanks, i'm gonna do that as soon as i get wifi connectivity (i don't have strace installed :/ ) Jun 01 10:21:13 Swapping can be somethign that won't show up on strace Jun 01 10:21:18 Also Jun 01 10:21:31 SD cards can drop in performance as they age Jun 01 10:21:49 Hi all ! Jun 01 10:22:19 ò_ó we don't take kindly people who "hi all!" Jun 01 10:22:30 gniagnia ! Jun 01 10:22:30 :) Jun 01 10:23:21 SpeedEvil: the SD is 1 week old Jun 01 10:23:43 Is there any news about the Maemo OBS ? Jun 01 10:24:09 k Jun 01 10:26:31 Khertan_: Still working on it, starting to look ok. Jun 01 10:27:04 It uncovered a problem we have with build-depends promotion, which I needed to fix first ;) Jun 01 10:27:05 X-Fade: thx for the information ... Jun 01 10:27:23 o/ Jun 01 10:27:39 is there an flash update somewhere for fennec 1.01? Jun 01 10:27:48 can we get a real serial console on jtag? Jun 01 10:27:57 X-Fade: did you got also any answer from people wanting to maintain the PyGTKEditor and PyPackager Package ? Jun 01 10:28:12 X-Fade: i didn't got any request about that Jun 01 10:28:34 pupnik: jtag isn't anywhere close to serial console Jun 01 10:28:58 SpeedEvil: do you have beagle board? Jun 01 10:29:05 Khertan_: For pypackager the pymaemo guys were looking into hat. Jun 01 10:29:08 *that Jun 01 10:29:28 jacekowski: I do not. Jun 01 10:29:59 jacekowski: I'm currently not having the heating on as an economy measure - the n900 was my sole extravagence in the last year Jun 01 10:30:02 well - two Jun 01 10:30:52 ghostcube: go for fennec 1.2, it's teh shit!11 Jun 01 10:30:57 worth it? Jun 01 10:31:15 so still not working with youtube :D Jun 01 10:31:24 hmmmmm Jun 01 10:31:31 who owns beagle board here? Jun 01 10:31:40 SpeedEvil: no heating? Jun 01 10:31:49 jacekowski: yes. Jun 01 10:31:53 why? Jun 01 10:32:03 jacekowski: Because it costs money. Jun 01 10:32:15 internet costs money Jun 01 10:32:24 life costs money Jun 01 10:32:31 Indeed. Jun 01 10:32:37 dunno where you need heating this time of year, on northern hemisphere (unless in greenland) Jun 01 10:32:38 SpeedEvil: OC your N900 - New heat source - Problem solved. Jun 01 10:32:41 But if it's a choice between wearing more jumpers. Jun 01 10:32:48 And no internets. Jun 01 10:32:56 Scotland. Jun 01 10:33:00 And all winter. Jun 01 10:33:04 Not just now. Jun 01 10:33:06 what about winder? Jun 01 10:33:09 winter* Jun 01 10:33:13 omfg Jun 01 10:33:15 yeah, winter is different, no heating would mean death :) (.fi) Jun 01 10:33:21 there was like -10 there Jun 01 10:33:39 It only got to 5C inside, which was managable with an electric blanket. Jun 01 10:34:10 do you know that you can squeeze some money from government if you can't afford to heat your house? Jun 01 10:34:16 wtf is it with people angle grinding themselves? Jun 01 10:34:38 X-Fade: thx Jun 01 10:34:54 jacekowski: Not if you are in my demographic. Jun 01 10:35:02 jacekowski: And I'm able. Jun 01 10:35:10 jacekowski: I just wouldn't have any internet. Jun 01 10:35:35 https://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/1.1b1/releasenotes/ Jun 01 10:35:39 anyone testet it? Jun 01 10:35:46 nope Jun 01 10:35:55 You'll be the first. Jun 01 10:36:09 april 28th Jun 01 10:36:47 nah ... If you installed Firefox 1.0 from the Ovi Store, you will not be able to upgrade to Firefox 1.1 Beta 1 (either from the N900 Application Manager or by downloading the software from Mozilla). Jun 01 10:36:52 grml Jun 01 10:37:48 Is there a nice way to go from a package name to its QA page? Jun 01 10:38:13 Or alternatively, to get the QA list on one page Jun 01 10:40:06 SpeedEvil: http://maemo.org/packages/view/packagenameyouwwanttosee/ Jun 01 10:41:42 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=meego_10_perf&num=1 meego performance vs ubuntu, moblin, fedora Jun 01 10:47:32 hmm Jun 01 10:47:42 That would explain it - it wasn't in the QA queue :) Jun 01 10:47:56 * SpeedEvil is having a 'submitting minor bugs' day. Jun 01 10:49:05 * MohammadAG marks all as duplicates Jun 01 10:49:55 I have a cunning way to avoid that. Jun 01 10:50:02 Find programs with no bugs in their trackers. Jun 01 10:50:22 haha Jun 01 10:51:03 lol Jun 01 10:52:00 'ello maemites Jun 01 10:52:10 I love how maemo bugs are moved to brainstorm Jun 01 10:52:20 hrw, say what now? Jun 01 10:53:00 bug 6931 Jun 01 10:53:01 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931 After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one Jun 01 10:53:02 hrw: maybe better than fixed in hartman :) Jun 01 10:53:28 Khertan_: 'moved to brainstorm' other way of 'wontfix' Jun 01 10:53:39 :D Jun 01 10:53:50 hmm 6931 got reopened Jun 01 10:53:50 like apple bug tracker Jun 01 10:54:04 Is there an easy way to list all applications that appear in HAM's 'delete package' list? Jun 01 10:54:26 apt-cache can tell me all apps. Jun 01 10:54:36 I want 'user-visible' ones that I can test. Jun 01 10:54:38 bug 6933 will not be fixed Jun 01 10:54:38 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6933 Alarm times are shown wrong Jun 01 10:55:15 hrw: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931#c33 << Jun 01 10:55:16 Bug 6931: After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one Jun 01 10:55:58 yep Jun 01 10:57:24 hum ... i ve still report on old version of PyGTKEditor ... should i say to user after installing my repository to open xterm and : 'sudo gainroot' then 'apt-get udpate && apt-get upgrade pygtkeditor' Jun 01 11:00:43 Speedevil you want an "installed applications" list in xterm? Jun 01 11:01:01 something like that Jun 01 11:01:10 hmm.. Jun 01 11:01:22 SpeedEvil: dpkg -l|awk '{print $2}' Jun 01 11:01:37 awk ftw Jun 01 11:01:50 No. Jun 01 11:01:51 awk sounde slike the sound some weird flightless bird makes. Jun 01 11:01:51 one day I will learn it Jun 01 11:01:59 I want a user-visible list of applications. Jun 01 11:02:09 what does user-visible list? Jun 01 11:02:09 Also - awk '$0=$2' is shorter Jun 01 11:02:18 mean Jun 01 11:02:32 I mean the list that shows up in HAM when I click 'delete' Jun 01 11:02:37 you mean the stuff that is listed in ham uninstall Jun 01 11:02:38 righty. Jun 01 11:02:39 hm Jun 01 11:03:09 SpeedEvil: so you want list of packages from 'user/*' sections Jun 01 11:03:23 which are installed Jun 01 11:03:39 for pkg in `dpkg -l | awk '$0=$2 Jun 01 11:03:47 I'm unsure - I haven't looked as to how the package manager works in detail Jun 01 11:04:30 for pkg in `dpkg -l | awk '$0=$2';do [ ! -z `apt-cache show $pkg|grep '^Section: user/'` ] && echo $pkg;done Jun 01 11:04:35 not tested Jun 01 11:05:09 s/2'/2'`/ Jun 01 11:10:27 hmm Jun 01 11:10:55 That doesn't work - I do see now how to get the info out of dpkg -l and apt-cache with a little munging Jun 01 11:10:56 thanks! Jun 01 11:11:42 autobuilder is broken again... how cute... Jun 01 11:13:22 hmm, Nokia Point and Find looks nice Jun 01 11:13:33 shame it's not for Maemo; sounds somewhat familiar Jun 01 11:13:42 "Castrated EU telecommunications regulator BEREC has now been relocated to Riga, Latvia - a mere 900 miles from everyone else." Jun 01 11:14:18 EHLO lardman, how is life treating you? Jun 01 11:14:32 hey RST38bis Jun 01 11:14:36 ok, very busy at work though Jun 01 11:15:07 just need to get through the next couple of weeks Jun 01 11:15:48 same here, except there is no end in sight =( Jun 01 11:17:27 yeah, well 2 weeks isn't the end, but at least I'll have time to breath then ;) Jun 01 11:18:33 hm Jun 01 11:18:46 nice day out. think i will go for a jog Jun 01 11:19:14 raining here Jun 01 11:19:30 it was raining bad here yesterday Jun 01 11:19:58 luckily it was a holiday otherwise driving would have been a pain Jun 01 11:20:39 i had to go through the west side too... so even more lucky that black people dont go outside when it is raining Jun 01 11:21:11 how do you turn the gps on without opening ovi maps? Jun 01 11:21:15 can't find a button Jun 01 11:21:22 Hi again ! Jun 01 11:21:29 Milo-: start something that uses it Jun 01 11:21:33 Milo-: you also have the problem that your "im location" isn't updated unless you start maps? Jun 01 11:21:49 SwedeMike 'speedometer' doesn't update the speed Jun 01 11:22:02 so I figure it requires gps Jun 01 11:22:10 SwedeMike: that's a good thing though, saves draining the battery Jun 01 11:22:13 but I don't want to start ovi maps each time I want to check my speed Jun 01 11:22:40 Milo-: speedometer need to be changed then so that it keeps the gps open Jun 01 11:22:48 Milo-: personnaly for checking speed (and radars i use roadrunner) Jun 01 11:23:01 i was expecting a ton of traffic when i drove through the west side because there are usually family reunions at a park there which makes traffic horrible Jun 01 11:23:19 so the rain was kind of a blessing Jun 01 11:24:38 lardman: well, I'd like it to at least look at the mobile network basestations etc and do a location conclusion, it doesn't have to actually start the satellite receiver. Jun 01 11:25:18 SwedeMike: that's also provided by liblocation, depending on how you call it Jun 01 11:25:20 lardman but as far as I know, speedometer has no settings Jun 01 11:25:22 SwedeMike: Location that way can be very inaccurate Jun 01 11:25:28 as in multiple kilometers off Jun 01 11:25:37 SpeedEvil: I need city level accuracy, so it's fine. Jun 01 11:26:12 basically the location it sets in google talk and Skype isn't updated well enough continously. Jun 01 11:26:43 I usually have to start the ovi map application for that to work, sometimes even that doesn't help Jun 01 11:27:48 http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/meego-moorestown-powered-tablet-hands-on/ Jun 01 11:28:05 Someone know what class / attribute should i look in the Qt Documentation to display a throbber near the QMainWindow title ? Jun 01 11:28:11 TomaszD: that does look sweet Jun 01 11:29:08 apart from viewing angles, yes Jun 01 11:29:17 it looks really nice Jun 01 11:29:30 that IPS panel apple put in the ipad is miles ahead, I hope this is just an engineering sample Jun 01 11:30:49 Sweet ! i like the panel style ! Jun 01 11:31:13 Acer plans to run MeeGo on their netbooks and tablets Jun 01 11:31:20 things are beginning to sound good Jun 01 11:31:51 wonder if MeeGo or Android will be the one to prefer on tablets like that Jun 01 11:32:39 tablets are pointless Jun 01 11:32:47 TomaszD: it s sound good ... but a bit slowly ... Jun 01 11:32:54 SwedeMike: Uhm there's going to be ChromeOS for netbooks Jun 01 11:32:55 :( Jun 01 11:33:01 Milo-, thanks for your input on this Jun 01 11:33:06 android was designed for smartphones not netbooks Jun 01 11:33:12 tybollt: good, then we have plenty of choices :) Jun 01 11:33:13 too big to be hand held, too small to do anything useful Jun 01 11:33:18 I'd love to see all the major players on netbooks on tablets Jun 01 11:33:32 that's why I am a tad confused wrt meego Jun 01 11:34:12 that sets out to work as fine ona phone as ona netbook not taking into account (obviously?) that the actual screen realestate varies ... by several orders of magnitude. Jun 01 11:43:19 re size I quite like the size of the Dell Streak Jun 01 11:43:26 Any idea how one can go about building a virtual keyboard that uses harmattan UI framework? Also what event do I need to listen to in order to replace the current virtual keyboard with on of my own? Jun 01 11:43:30 N800 replacement sort of thing Jun 01 11:43:48 mJo_: there should be docs on the wiki about this Jun 01 11:44:33 lardman: I have been looking. Found one for Hildon not harmattan. Jun 01 11:44:41 ah sorry Jun 01 11:44:55 probably in git then, but I don't know Jun 01 11:45:25 git has very little info Jun 01 11:46:02 no code? No idea then, sorry Jun 01 11:47:20 lardman: code is ofcourse there. No tutorial , or a how-to. Jun 01 11:47:39 ah well, that's something different ;) Jun 01 11:47:59 I imagine that will appear once harmattan is finalised Jun 01 11:48:18 assuming it ever appears, as aren't we all moving to Meego now anyway (with or without N900 support)# Jun 01 11:48:25 ? Jun 01 11:52:15 what is the best way to update my phone n900 on a linux system Jun 01 11:52:34 OTA without a computer needed or reflash using flasher-3.4 Jun 01 11:52:39 3.5 Jun 01 11:53:21 ok using flasher i go to a link and there is a list of files it is not to clear what on is most revent Jun 01 11:53:34 recent* Jun 01 11:55:05 is this the FIASCO image or the flasher? Jun 01 11:55:21 the image Jun 01 11:55:21 re the FIASCO image it should say something along the lines of *this is the latest one* Jun 01 11:55:57 what version numbers do you have? Sould be a 2010 one Jun 01 11:57:19 just looking for files now Jun 01 11:57:35 I am guessing harmattan UI framework will be used in Meego Jun 01 11:58:28 I've no idea, I'd guess at least some of it would be, as Meego is the underlying system iirc and needs to be skinned Jun 01 11:59:21 coz the duikeyboard is called m-keyboard for meego keyboard Jun 01 12:00:41 vallhalla: you are Valteri Halla? Jun 01 12:01:11 not likely Jun 01 12:01:15 doubt it, he only has one l Jun 01 12:01:22 roger Jun 01 12:02:45 ok found the latest Jun 01 12:03:28 next silly question what is the eMMC image used for? Jun 01 12:03:53 as I've said erarlier Jun 01 12:04:04 if you have an old device thats needing an emmc flash Jun 01 12:04:04 eMMC image is for flashing the eMMC Jun 01 12:04:11 the eMMC is where your pr0n is Jun 01 12:04:58 emmc bieng the internal storage? Jun 01 12:05:26 tybollt: no sorry Jun 01 12:05:34 not valteri Jun 01 12:06:17 hi Jun 01 12:07:22 hai Jun 01 12:08:06 on pressing ctrl+shift+r in an app we can rotate our screen but after it rotates , on clicking the area near the battery icon it dosent open Jun 01 12:08:41 it opens only in landscape mode Jun 01 12:09:06 is that a bug ? Jun 01 12:09:13 nope an feature Jun 01 12:09:13 :D Jun 01 12:09:54 ah, "My Nokia" at its finest, links to nokia.se/softwareupdate which is claiming latest fw is 2.2009.51.1 Jun 01 12:10:33 Nokia SVERRRRRRRGEEEEEE. Jun 01 12:10:58 er, right. Jun 01 12:11:00 but u didnt get wat i meant Jun 01 12:12:22 while viewing a app in potrait mode the area where the battery icon is shown becomes unclickable Jun 01 12:13:00 You are not supposed to click Ctrl+Shift+R. It is an experimental mode. Jun 01 12:13:03 frals: I never figured how to opt out of that spam shitz :( Jun 01 12:13:09 portrait mode is not supposed to work flawlessly Jun 01 12:13:15 Once you enable it, all expectations become invalid Jun 01 12:13:17 tybollt: Settings -> 'My Nokia' -> unsubscribe Jun 01 12:13:22 And hello, Myrtti Jun 01 12:13:24 oh ok its still buggy Jun 01 12:13:25 frals: Which fails. Jun 01 12:13:30 oahi. Jun 01 12:13:31 frals: And seems to cost money Jun 01 12:13:32 SpeedEvil: WORKEDFORME :) Jun 01 12:13:42 probably charges you for an sms thou Jun 01 12:14:00 frals: <ångest> måste... komma ihåg... password... till... skiten... Jun 01 12:14:10 what's this ctrl-shift-r thing? Jun 01 12:14:11 tybollt: dont need a password? O_o Jun 01 12:14:48 frals: this in your phone now? I thought you mean like www.nokia.se -> click "my Nokia" Jun 01 12:14:56 tybollt: in my phone yes ;) Jun 01 12:15:12 kollar Jun 01 12:15:26 nice :D Jun 01 12:15:29 thanks Jun 01 12:15:34 I had no idea it was there :) Jun 01 12:15:38 Is there any chance to get Flash working with Opera on Maemo 5? Jun 01 12:15:55 ag0ny: very slim to nonexistant. Jun 01 12:15:56 hmm i would be glad if flash would work with fennec on maemo :D Jun 01 12:16:32 That is sad. Opera is pretty quick Jun 01 12:16:46 isnt there an chrome build in devel? Jun 01 12:16:52 frals: AHAHAHAHAHA... "attempt to unsubscribe has failed" Jun 01 12:16:59 frals: Epic NOOKLA win! Jun 01 12:17:04 tybollt: pwnd! Jun 01 12:17:06 tybollt: so you havent been enabled :D Jun 01 12:17:10 frals: oh hell yes :D Jun 01 12:17:35 on trying to unsubscribe from nokia it sends an sms saying attempt to unsubscribe failed Jun 01 12:17:35 and it charges me for the sms too Jun 01 12:17:53 hmm i send one and i quit it succesfull Jun 01 12:18:28 Google to ban windows PCs from corporation :) Jun 01 12:18:43 woot? Jun 01 12:18:48 link or it didnt happen Jun 01 12:18:50 -.- Jun 01 12:19:07 heh Jun 01 12:20:00 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d2f3f04e-6ccf-11df-91c8-00144feab49a.html Jun 01 12:20:11 http://www.tuaw.com/2010/05/31/google-to-employees-mac-or-linux-but-no-more-windows/ Jun 01 12:20:26 No windows at google Jun 01 12:21:40 How to make a lot of people pissed when the device gets released: http://mynokiablog.com/2010/05/29/video-meego-qa-with-alberto-torres-nokia-evp-meego-computers-at-openmobile/ Jun 01 12:23:00 "MeeGo phone will be capacitive" :( Jun 01 12:23:24 Whatever it will be, the expectation of gullible people will exceed it Jun 01 12:23:44 experience beyond symbian eh Jun 01 12:24:03 There has been a change in how the gprs counter counts. Any clues? I had previously unset /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_rx_bytes but that doesn't exist anymore. Which one is the correspondent in the new value set? gprs_home_rx_bytes? Jun 01 12:24:16 nice Jun 01 12:24:44 I mean, looking at gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS the only ones counting bytes are these two gprs_home_tx_bytes and gprs_home_rx_bytes. What is the "home" about? home as in own provider? Jun 01 12:24:46 nokia have now sent me about 20 sms in the last two minutes w/ exact same message "Attempt to unsubscribe failed..." Jun 01 12:24:48 as opposed to roaming? Jun 01 12:25:20 Shapeshifter: yes Jun 01 12:25:37 Shapeshifter: personal-gprs-monitor got updated Jun 01 12:25:46 tybollt: chargeable? Jun 01 12:25:51 And yes, I would love to see how S60 bosses at Nokia react to his statement that the next flagman will NOT be running Symbian =) Jun 01 12:26:39 nokia needs to indicate change and motion to investors Jun 01 12:26:57 SpeedEvil: no I don't pay to receive texts :) Jun 01 12:27:02 pupnik: liblocation Jun 01 12:27:20 nice :) Jun 01 12:27:26 do you? Jun 01 12:27:45 ~seen smoku Jun 01 12:27:48 smoku is currently on #maemo (1h 21m 50s) #meego (1h 21m 50s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1h 16m 6s, last said: 'autobuilder is broken again... how cute...'. Jun 01 12:28:09 smoku, opendune is in devel now. Jun 01 12:28:25 smoku, thank you so much for that. I need that spice to liveeeeee!! Jun 01 12:28:26 is the engine working? Jun 01 12:28:34 which engine? Jun 01 12:29:56 is there a bot here Jun 01 12:30:45 SpeedEvil: but why's there nothing like, say "gprs_roaming_rx_bytes"? Is that because I never used roaming? Jun 01 12:30:51 RST38bis: I sense slavic influence in the use of "flagman" for "flagship" Jun 01 12:31:45 hi everybody Jun 01 12:31:55 kirma: Yea, I have come by this abomination of an interview at a Russian news site. Jun 01 12:32:21 hi dr nick Jun 01 12:32:26 oo sory hehe Jun 01 12:32:29 hello dr nick! Jun 01 12:32:30 :D Jun 01 12:32:37 I came across the term mostly on the side of a vodka bottle. :P Jun 01 12:32:45 I want to start my first application for maemo but I don't find documentation to start. The documentation I find is for the old version of maemo. Somebody can help me Jun 01 12:32:53 hmm, so N900 wont get an meego if i understood this right eh? Jun 01 12:33:26 * vallhalla hopes not for meego Jun 01 12:33:27 ghostcube: not officially, but it's kinda sure some version will run fine. Jun 01 12:33:46 ghostcube: not an OFFICIAL meego Jun 01 12:33:47 ghostcube: everything strongly points to the direction that there will be nokia-supported commercial version Jun 01 12:33:47 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] Jun 01 12:33:57 hmm, oki thx guys Jun 01 12:34:01 :) Jun 01 12:34:07 tybollt: hah, tele2.se got the N900 under "we recommend", not seen that anywhere before in .se :P Jun 01 12:34:29 ghostcube: but since in effect what the nokia meego team uses now is N900 to build meego - yes there will be SOME KIND of meego - be sure of that Jun 01 12:34:42 there may be a functional version, though. how much it lacks in comparison to the next device with meego, hard to say... but probably there are notable omissions Jun 01 12:34:58 i know the devs running N900 that was the point i didnt get it why no meego will be on N900 Jun 01 12:35:09 frals: that's pretty interesting considering the average sven svensson numbnut probably won't understand lots of things about maemo :) Jun 01 12:35:27 tybollt: even more interesting is it says "eletronic compass" under specification Jun 01 12:35:57 tybollt: but nobody has said that Meego devices would be based entirely on open source components... Nokia may and most probably is going to have central pieces of UX/applications only for their own installations Jun 01 12:36:04 that's my speculation, but still Jun 01 12:36:09 ghostcube: My guess; Nokia will officially require all Meego devices to have capacitive touch screen Jun 01 12:36:30 capacitive is bad ass ... Jun 01 12:36:32 ghostcube: and thus N900 is excluded Jun 01 12:36:49 multitouch-ness of the display is certainly something that is problematic to work around on a non-multitouch device Jun 01 12:36:50 frals: that's BS obviously :S Jun 01 12:36:58 capacitive feels inaccurate, and you need a special stylus for it :) Jun 01 12:37:16 resistive >>> capacitive Jun 01 12:37:23 heeey Jun 01 12:37:30 you can't really play freeciv sdl on capacitive. other than that it's fine. Jun 01 12:37:54 I'd like some new tech for my next device. Jun 01 12:37:58 I think there have been rumors/speculation of manufacturers, Nokia included, looking at hybrid resistive-capacitive touchscreens Jun 01 12:38:07 sensitivity of cap and accuracy and stylus use of res Jun 01 12:38:24 Hello, Does anybody know in what encoding E_CONTACT_SIP in N900? Jun 01 12:38:31 kirma, I've heard, but I don't think they are production ready any time soon. Jun 01 12:39:09 itry to get in UTF8 but? but it is wrong Jun 01 12:39:42 probably not on the timeframe Nokia optimistically would want the device on market... somehow I've noticed their wordings have changed in a way that the device, which was obviously targeted for christmas market earlier, is now spoken to be "announced" this year Jun 01 12:39:54 fearing the fate of N97... Jun 01 12:40:06 I need documentation to start developping an app for Maemo5 with Esbox Jun 01 12:40:30 heey petermaemo responded to twitter widget problems. Jun 01 12:41:04 RST38bis, well, since they're now called MeeGo Devices. . . . *eg* Jun 01 12:41:40 GeneralAntilles: Source? Jun 01 12:42:22 tybollt, um, Ari's blog or something like that. Jun 01 12:42:26 I've seen the string once or twice. Jun 01 12:43:04 tybollt, fwiw, http://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/185:jennifer-cloer/300225:qa-with-nokias-ari-jaaksi-meego-revs-up Jun 01 12:43:06 First line. Jun 01 12:45:53 tybollt: MeeGo is input agnostic. The speficic UXes might not be. Jun 01 12:48:37 i have a question about vkbrd Jun 01 12:48:57 if it separete pckg Jun 01 12:49:06 why can't we change it to portrait? Jun 01 12:55:57 what's preferrable? symlink from /usr/bin to binary in opt, or .sh file in /usr/bin? Jun 01 12:57:29 I'd go with a symlink Jun 01 12:57:48 .sh file will launch an extra process Jun 01 12:58:06 you can always exec at the end Jun 01 12:58:18 It still loads it into RAM Jun 01 12:58:27 well, bash is loaded all the time Jun 01 12:58:35 no it's not Jun 01 12:58:41 And you mean busybox shell Jun 01 12:58:51 There is a non-zero cost in launching it. Jun 01 12:58:54 It's small. Jun 01 12:59:14 But if it's an either-or choice - and there is no penalty - why? Jun 01 13:07:10 befor i updated my phone (n900) i could use the terminal to sudo apt-get update now when i try it askes for a password now i have installed rootsh is there one i am missing ?? or is there now a passwd? Jun 01 13:08:51 vallhalla: sudo gainroot Jun 01 13:08:55 then apt-get.... Jun 01 13:09:55 E0x: i never had to do that before why has this changed Jun 01 13:10:21 E0x: also if i sudo gainroot it askes for password Jun 01 13:13:44 interesting, one of my pictures has the following exif data: "Subject Distance: 2147483647 m" Jun 01 13:14:01 if you install rootsh not need asking about any password Jun 01 13:14:03 thats rather... far Jun 01 13:14:13 2 million km range, and accurate metering... w00t Jun 01 13:14:24 m Jun 01 13:14:33 no, km Jun 01 13:14:43 or it would be 2 trillion m Jun 01 13:14:46 ok Jun 01 13:14:49 trillion? Jun 01 13:14:53 in what country Jun 01 13:14:56 the NRO will be contacting you to acquire your camera soon. Jun 01 13:14:57 yankees say billion Jun 01 13:15:02 we say milliard Jun 01 13:15:07 Scelt: ah, crap Jun 01 13:15:19 or whatever govt organization does spy sats in your country :) Jun 01 13:15:22 what do brits say? billion? Jun 01 13:15:32 brits use short scale these days i think Jun 01 13:15:40 Scelt: I read the wikipedia article on this once, can't remember though Jun 01 13:15:52 crashanddie: it's very confusing Jun 01 13:16:00 it's easier to say thousand millions Jun 01 13:16:20 i use short scale in english, long scale in finnish :) Jun 01 13:16:33 Scelt: brits convert to miles ;-) Jun 01 13:16:34 Scelt: I think in short scale, I just used the wrong word there, for some reason Jun 01 13:16:43 smoku: ;D Jun 01 13:16:54 jaska: tuhat miljoonaa? Jun 01 13:17:01 scelt: miljardi Jun 01 13:17:09 isn't that the short scale? Jun 01 13:17:13 thats long scale Jun 01 13:17:20 don't get it Jun 01 13:17:28 short scale would be to say 1000 million = billion Jun 01 13:17:30 "thousand millions" is longer than "milliard" Jun 01 13:18:39 jaska: yes, which is proper reasonning :) Jun 01 13:18:57 jaska: it's the same as kilo before gram, meaning a thousand. Jun 01 13:19:06 how can i install a package in MADDE? seems like mad-admin does not have a command to install a debian-package. an application of mine is using json-glib and i want to compile it in MADDE Jun 01 13:19:22 so a kilo tonne is a thousand tonnes, not kilo * tonne. Jun 01 13:19:41 and add the subsequent result to tonne. Jun 01 13:20:05 gigatonne Jun 01 13:20:13 gigamega Jun 01 13:21:08 kulve, ping Jun 01 13:21:08 terratonne Jun 01 13:21:12 petatonne Jun 01 13:21:16 TomaszD: pong Jun 01 13:21:22 kulve, msg > Jun 01 13:21:40 tera, not terra :) Jun 01 13:21:42 übergiga Jun 01 13:21:49 (a pet peeve) Jun 01 13:22:02 terracotta? Jun 01 13:22:16 infinitytonne Jun 01 13:22:30 hmm my gps not getting fix sense the last saturday , i use all nigh for find a place Jun 01 13:22:30 does anyone notice rm from coreutils-gnu is broken with -i? Jun 01 13:22:38 now is not working :( Jun 01 13:22:53 E0x, with out connection right? Jun 01 13:23:02 ZogG: hmm ? Jun 01 13:23:12 oh look now get fix Jun 01 13:23:14 * GAN900 closes his troll-feeding reply for the bugzilla "security" thread. Jun 01 13:23:17 yooohooooo Jun 01 13:23:42 Mek, ping Jun 01 13:24:02 is Mek alive? does he ever talk? Jun 01 13:24:08 lovely Jun 01 13:24:16 what mean the blue and the red pin Jun 01 13:24:19 in mappero ? Jun 01 13:24:23 the fsf assholes are going to rewrite (?) parts of gcc in c++ Jun 01 13:24:27 better , where i can find mappero doc ? Jun 01 13:24:38 somethings i not sure how it work Jun 01 13:24:39 gcc just signed its own deathwarrant Jun 01 13:24:58 tybollt: i thought it was more like "will now allow c++ to be used, where appropriate" Jun 01 13:25:10 how can you be so sure tybollt ? Jun 01 13:26:00 hehe Jun 01 13:26:05 tybollt hey Jun 01 13:26:08 tybollt: why does the language matter? Jun 01 13:26:15 nice there :) I thought I'd get arguments from people saying c++ is nice :) Jun 01 13:26:17 but no :) Jun 01 13:26:48 tybollt: they could rewrite it in zsh, if the output is still the same, only speed is at a loss. i don't see the difference. Jun 01 13:27:10 tybollt found plasma guy Jun 01 13:27:58 ZogG: oh, neat-o Jun 01 13:28:06 ZogG: is he sharing the code or? Jun 01 13:28:12 GAN900: you fixed your ping-timeout? Jun 01 13:28:32 DocScrutinizer, think so, forgot to notice when I got to work. Jun 01 13:28:33 Shapeshifter: i suspect the implication is that it would become unpredictable in some way. Seems more likely to me that the GCC people have a pretty good idea of how languages work. Jun 01 13:28:34 Shapeshifter: ... Jun 01 13:28:41 is it good to write application in python for maemo Jun 01 13:28:50 tybollt he is not answering, he is here =) Jun 01 13:29:01 ZogG: Booo... :) Jun 01 13:29:06 tybollt, Mek Jun 01 13:29:13 It's more to do with 'languages people who might hack on compilers know'. Jun 01 13:29:17 send him email as well Jun 01 13:29:21 ^people with a clue Jun 01 13:29:48 SpeedEvil++ Jun 01 13:30:00 ZogG+++ Jun 01 13:30:01 GAN900: I tried with 90s and 120s, both earned me a spanking for repeated relogins even while not 'roaming', due to GPRS lags sometimes actually are that magnitude Jun 01 13:30:19 ZogG: ssssssssh, until there is code in my inbox - sssssh :) Jun 01 13:30:37 tybollt =( Jun 01 13:30:40 * ZogG cries Jun 01 13:30:40 GAN900: with 240s it kinda 'works' Jun 01 13:30:53 so have you seen nokia video with portrait n900 ? =) Jun 01 13:30:59 GAN900: maybe 180s is worth a try Jun 01 13:31:36 DocScrutinizer, set it to 120 Jun 01 13:31:41 Got a proxy, so. Jun 01 13:32:09 what is the command to set that? Jun 01 13:36:28 pupnik: edit ping_timeout line in xchat.cfg Jun 01 13:37:06 oh i thought this was a modem setting for gprs timeout Jun 01 13:37:16 never found that Jun 01 13:38:19 ping timeout can't be meaningfully larger than 240ms with freenode anyway Jun 01 13:38:21 240s Jun 01 13:38:59 theres a damn efnet server set at 900. Jun 01 13:41:35 Odd. Jun 01 13:41:54 * SpeedEvil just installed several updates - and now I have no applications. Jun 01 13:42:32 oh Jun 01 13:42:43 man, I really hope silvermountain is coming to the summit Jun 01 13:43:05 SpeedEvil: still it seems to me default for xchat is like 12 minutes for ping timeout Jun 01 13:43:30 yes - I mean that freenode has now gone to 240s timeout Jun 01 13:43:37 which is annoying - it used to be 10 min Jun 01 13:43:44 SpeedEvil: meaning xchat will reconnect to freenode only after 12 minutes no reply to a ping Jun 01 13:44:19 hmm Jun 01 13:44:27 odd Jun 01 13:44:31 uninstall catorise - bang Jun 01 13:44:39 reboot Jun 01 13:44:46 oh Jun 01 13:44:53 I guess it will kill hildon-desktop Jun 01 13:45:08 GAN900: The summit will be in London right? Will you be coming? If you are, I can have baseball bats, knives and a very quiet and isolated room where we can store Geneven and silvermountain's corpses after we beat them to fucking death. Jun 01 13:45:11 And I may have already done that a couple of times, so watchdog hit Jun 01 13:45:18 SpeedEvil: what you're talking about are pings from freenet to irc client, and freenet considering a client offline when these don't pong after 240s. That's exactly inverse to what the xchat ping_timeout setting is all about Jun 01 13:46:01 DocScrutinizer: I know. I was meaning that xchat having a ping_timeout set to >240 with freenode is not different from a timeout of infinity. Jun 01 13:46:07 actually - yes it is. Jun 01 13:46:09 Ignore me. Jun 01 13:46:48 anyone knows how to emulate in qt4 the behavoiur of the virtual keyboard? (focus changes when one slides the finger) similar is in the opera browser Jun 01 13:47:19 SpeedEvil: your point isn't moot. if xchat pin_timeout > freenode ping_timeout, then you don't need the /ns ghost voodoo in my loadscript Jun 01 13:47:29 DocScrutinizer: yes. Jun 01 13:48:10 DocScrutinizer: though it does affect the 'changed IP, or for some reason the connetion to the server died' timeout. Jun 01 13:48:18 If there is actually a route to the server now Jun 01 13:49:37 crashanddie: I'll back you up! Who are we beating and why? ;) (assuming these are numbnuts from TMO, yeah?) Jun 01 13:50:16 tybollt: indeed Jun 01 13:50:21 well, as GAN900 noticed so educated, xchat should use that lib, err libcolon? ;-D, to detect when connection on N900 actually changed Jun 01 13:50:40 libcolon - for real? :) Jun 01 13:50:47 ;-D Jun 01 13:50:54 tybollt: kinda provides the same functionality as libcaca Jun 01 13:50:55 ;) Jun 01 13:50:58 and libpoo Jun 01 13:51:00 crashanddie: :D Jun 01 13:51:09 and libmicrosoft Jun 01 13:51:14 boooo Jun 01 13:51:19 sorry I forgot the name Jun 01 13:51:35 I've spent hours talking to myself cause of that... Jun 01 13:52:08 MohammadAG: that saved us a lot of pain ;-P Jun 01 13:52:09 * tybollt pats MohammadAG on the head demeaningly - there sonny - wear this white shirt and we will take gooooood care of you :) Jun 01 13:52:13 MohammadAG: wb Jun 01 13:52:32 lol Jun 01 13:53:13 Does #maemo allow swear words? :) Jun 01 13:53:20 i fucking hope so Jun 01 13:53:20 :P Jun 01 13:53:41 Stskeeps, watch your fucking language Jun 01 13:53:56 who the fuck cares? :D Jun 01 13:54:08 * DocScrutinizer kicks MohammadAG for using a word starting with f Jun 01 13:54:24 fsck /dev/mtd5 Jun 01 13:54:35 (answer n if anyone tries to do that :P) Jun 01 13:54:43 y Jun 01 13:54:49 xD Jun 01 13:55:17 ~trout b-man|laptop Jun 01 13:55:18 * infobot slaps b-man|laptop around a bit with a large trout! Jun 01 13:55:32 ~attack MohammadAG Jun 01 13:55:33 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing MohammadAG Jun 01 13:55:37 will earn you that nice "...OR SOMe MORON (YOU?)..." msg at max Jun 01 13:55:39 GFX card replaced, ethernet port working again, now to fix scratchbox Jun 01 13:55:41 anyone knows how to emulate behaviour of virtual keyboard buttons with qt4 QPushButtons? (focus changes, when finger slides) Jun 01 13:55:54 I tried to be a smartass and make the Ubuntu chroot as a new target but.... Jun 01 13:55:58 let's say it didn't go well Jun 01 13:56:01 ~frals MohammadAG Jun 01 13:56:05 what Jun 01 13:56:09 there no ~frals yet? ;P Jun 01 13:58:55 * GAN900 loves download pages with no download button Jun 01 13:59:20 join #fey Jun 01 13:59:32 GAN: if you use firefox instead of lynx one will be rendered for you (/me runs and hides ;) Jun 01 14:00:09 sorry.... Jun 01 14:01:23 crashanddie, doubt they'll come Jun 01 14:01:33 crashanddie, in the US and NOT getting sponsored. Jun 01 14:01:55 hmm Jun 01 14:02:04 I guess I'll have to bring my fists to their faces then. Jun 01 14:02:04 Does anyone prefer the rubbery USB charger lead? Jun 01 14:02:06 Uhmm, a Nintendo DS emu? Jun 01 14:02:11 wonder how that'll work.. Jun 01 14:02:22 I like the USB cable one more Jun 01 14:02:40 I find it is much harder to detangle. Jun 01 14:03:15 badly, unless it can run the arm instruction somehow natively. Jun 01 14:03:37 SpeedEvil, and the charger's USB is harder to take out Jun 01 14:03:59 I actually like that the charge cable sticks there Jun 01 14:03:59 which kind of worries me, since the N900's USB isn't that good Jun 01 14:04:01 MohammadAG: not seen that Jun 01 14:04:18 MohammadAG: you can remove the two little 'prongs' on the USB plug Jun 01 14:04:28 SpeedEvil, how? Jun 01 14:04:43 With a teeny screwdriver Jun 01 14:04:44 or a file Jun 01 14:04:48 or a knife Jun 01 14:05:32 ehr Jun 01 14:05:38 ouch Jun 01 14:05:38 removing the prongs? wtf :S Jun 01 14:05:54 tybollt: It makes the insertion/removal force _much_ lower Jun 01 14:06:05 thereby easing concerns about USB connector. Jun 01 14:06:53 SpeedEvil: Mind I own a use cable that lacks prongs Jun 01 14:06:54 actually mine 'fixed itself' by careful use and quite some playing with retracting the jack 1mm and the reinserting it snugly Jun 01 14:06:56 I HATE IT Jun 01 14:07:09 the fucker literally _falls_ out on its bloody own (almost ;) Jun 01 14:07:10 tybollt: toldya Jun 01 14:07:31 don't mess with the prongs ;-) Jun 01 14:07:48 DocScrutinizer: That's how the store bought cable came Jun 01 14:07:57 DocScrutinizer: I did shit to it. :) Jun 01 14:07:59 anyway Jun 01 14:08:34 tybollt, libconic Jun 01 14:09:12 aah, libcolon is much nicer Jun 01 14:10:49 we should prod RST38bis to implement it to xchat Jun 01 14:11:09 (libcolon/libconic that is) Jun 01 14:11:28 that sounds absolutely libtastic, Doc. Jun 01 14:11:38 hehe Jun 01 14:12:11 SpeedEvil: I also hate the thick clumsy cable Jun 01 14:12:40 also the micro-USB jacl should have a much smaller molding Jun 01 14:16:51 http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/01/meego-moorestown-powered-tablet-hands-on/ Jun 01 14:17:04 why have you NOT ranted about this GAN? Jun 01 14:17:05 :) Jun 01 14:18:28 DocScrutinizer, did, he didn't want to. Jun 01 14:18:36 tybollt, what's to rant about? :P Jun 01 14:18:57 =) Jun 01 14:19:04 tybollt, I vented my spleen in this weeks mwkn.net issue, so it'll take me a fews days to work up more ire. Jun 01 14:19:06 GAN900: :-/ Jun 01 14:19:29 i demand objectivity in the journalism made by mwkn.net Jun 01 14:19:29 and, yes, I think x86-based mobile devices are retarded wastes of time, energy, and money. Jun 01 14:19:30 GAN900: :D Jun 01 14:19:31 :P Jun 01 14:19:46 DocScrutinizer, I think it's non-trivial. Jun 01 14:19:50 better video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVIKYF7MOzU Jun 01 14:20:09 GAN900: I bet you're right on that one Jun 01 14:20:10 Stskeeps, hey, I'm objectively irrate! Jun 01 14:20:38 watching hd avatar Jun 01 14:22:00 * b-man|laptop is going to scream is bison keeps erroring out with a '3 shift/reduce' notice no matter what he does to fix it Jun 01 14:22:05 *if Jun 01 14:22:15 b-man|laptop: ha-ha Jun 01 14:22:16 :P Jun 01 14:22:56 that wasn't meant to be funny :P Jun 01 14:23:18 bison ftl Jun 01 14:23:51 chippy fails at filming Jun 01 14:23:52 i hate it :P Jun 01 14:23:59 Also: that display sucks. Jun 01 14:26:38 http://www.google.com/crisisresponse/oilspill/ o.O Jun 01 14:26:57 it's really making my day the way https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7432#c36 completely fails to get any of my statements. Am I writing zuaheli, or what? Jun 01 14:26:58 Bug 7432: /opt and /home/user not cleared after firmware reflash Jun 01 14:27:14 "Qualcomm's Dual-Core Snapdragon 1.2GHz Chips?Seen In A Smartphone Near You Soon" Jun 01 14:27:16 wtf Jun 01 14:27:20 dual core ina phone? Jun 01 14:27:26 'sat REALLY necesarry? Jun 01 14:27:38 very nice Jun 01 14:28:01 ghostcube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHmhxpQEGPo Jun 01 14:28:04 GAN900: ^ Jun 01 14:28:09 tybollt, Cortex A9 Jun 01 14:28:10 tybollt: There are already dualcore phones on the market. Jun 01 14:28:16 OMAP4 Jun 01 14:28:22 N96 is dual ARM9 Jun 01 14:28:35 I repeat Jun 01 14:28:37 'sat REALLY necesarry? Jun 01 14:28:42 tybollt, you can get higher battery saving out of a dual core Jun 01 14:28:44 tybollt: n95 is a dualcore Jun 01 14:29:00 So, depending on your usage, it can be a better fit Jun 01 14:29:04 GAN900: o_O do explain sir Jun 01 14:29:08 jacekowski, only sort of. Jun 01 14:30:23 tybollt, well, assuming good parallelization and non-linear voltage scaling a dual 500MHz would net you somewhere in the vicinity of 20-40% powersaving over a single 1GHz. Jun 01 14:30:33 also: race-to-idle Jun 01 14:31:15 GAN900: aaah like that Jun 01 14:31:49 GAN900: hmm still there's the overhead of dualcore... no? Jun 01 14:32:08 vs a single core which doesn't need the locking etc Jun 01 14:34:15 yup, I bet it's not *that* simple Jun 01 14:34:36 too many unknowns in that equation Jun 01 14:35:24 tybollt, yeah, a bit, so it's not simple Jun 01 14:35:31 first of all being "assuming good parallelization" Jun 01 14:35:52 But, it does allow you to get a performance multiplier without putting your voltage through the roof. Jun 01 14:35:56 DocScrutinizer, :P Jun 01 14:36:09 tybollt, DocScrutinizer is the expert you should be talking to. Jun 01 14:36:26 The number of tasks running on a modern mobile device is going up. Jun 01 14:36:31 You can get effectively similar savings with race-idle. Jun 01 14:36:32 nah, I deny any knowledge ;-P Jun 01 14:36:45 If you can ramp up and down the clock faster Jun 01 14:37:06 Where really interesting power savings might be would be with assymetric cores. Jun 01 14:37:34 async cores! Jun 01 14:37:39 clockless cores Jun 01 14:37:46 amulet? Jun 01 14:37:54 why did i read that as clockless whores? Jun 01 14:38:06 errrm rings a bell, but can't recall which one Jun 01 14:38:09 So that if you have - say - the accelerometer interrupting at 400Hz - instead of waking the CPU - the tiny CPU jams the result into a buffer, and does some sums on it. Jun 01 14:38:11 probably the ass-ymmetric part Jun 01 14:38:14 Quite happy with my MAFW IM status updater :) Jun 01 14:38:40 maybe interrupts the CPU under specified conditions. Jun 01 14:38:54 The hardish part is making this second core binary compatible Jun 01 14:39:19 The harder part is teaching programmers to use it. Jun 01 14:39:40 SpeedEvil: actually the gmeter should do that on his own, that's why it got a small core inside, after all Jun 01 14:39:52 gmeter? Jun 01 14:39:53 oh Jun 01 14:39:55 right Jun 01 14:39:58 that was an example Jun 01 14:40:07 scuse me, does anyone have any performance comparisons between SU4100 and N450? Jun 01 14:40:13 yup, just felt like mentioning it Jun 01 14:40:14 there are out there _much_ fancier ones that do gesture recognition in the accel itself. Jun 01 14:40:18 Which is shiny Jun 01 14:40:36 darn! Jun 01 14:40:44 also - there are emerging accel+magnetometer - and magnetometer + gyro in one package Jun 01 14:40:47 Is there a command line program that updates IM status? Jun 01 14:41:02 I don't think anyones rolled all three into a cheap package yet - but a QFN IMU is not far away Jun 01 14:41:20 alterego: I guess you could do something with dbus-send Jun 01 14:41:44 SpeedEvil: I'm waiting for first integrated laser gyro Jun 01 14:41:46 zash: yeah, I'm just curious because I was planning on writing one for a project I'm working on. Jun 01 14:41:59 DocScrutinizer: MEMs gyros are not actually bad. Laser gyros have issues. Jun 01 14:42:04 SpeedEvil: that would be awesome Jun 01 14:42:07 DocScrutinizer: much better than accels. Jun 01 14:42:24 SpeedEvil: which issues? Jun 01 14:42:27 * GAN900 likes this Ubuntu Humanity theme. Jun 01 14:42:30 16:40 < popey> jacekowski: http://www.videolan.org/developers/vlc-branch/NEWS Jun 01 14:42:30 16:40 < popey> namely: * Support for HW accelerated video decoding on N900 Jun 01 14:42:59 DocScrutinizer: they are inheretly hard to make small Jun 01 14:43:11 MEMS gyros keep my helis level in the orientation I have set them, they do a good job ;) Jun 01 14:43:14 I don't see that Jun 01 14:43:17 DocScrutinizer, don't be too hard on Milhouse. :P Jun 01 14:43:23 And that is with quite a lof of vibration :) Jun 01 14:43:38 X-Fade, I still need to find the money/time for RC helos. Jun 01 14:44:08 GAN900: Yes you should ;) Jun 01 14:44:28 quatrocopter Jun 01 14:44:34 ftw Jun 01 14:45:10 Nah, my 3KW 1.3M dia heli is quite enough ;) Jun 01 14:45:14 .... for now. Jun 01 14:45:16 X-Fade, X-Plane FTW for poor college slobs, though. Jun 01 14:45:29 I do have a nice CH Products setup. Jun 01 14:45:43 GAN900: Realflight for me. But I need Windows for that :( Jun 01 14:45:43 * SpeedEvil needs to get his UAV done. Jun 01 14:45:59 500W in a 8" rotor. Jun 01 14:47:14 X-Fade, never tried Realflight Jun 01 14:49:04 are there nice 2-stroke_motor+generator e-power blocks already, for powering such drones? Jun 01 14:50:06 DocScrutinizer: Just big lipos and electro motor? Jun 01 14:50:39 nah, the energy/weight density of fuel is much higher than the one of LiPo Jun 01 14:50:45 http://bit.ly/b32xNn -> 10s 4000Ah Jun 01 14:50:56 4000mAh ;) Jun 01 14:51:47 and 'recharging' is much faster ;-) Jun 01 14:52:11 Well, I can charge them in 10 mins, but yes. Jun 01 14:52:28 sweet chopper Jun 01 14:52:48 I really want $30000 to try to prototype my hoverboard. Jun 01 14:53:09 ~50Kg of small ducted fan units, ESCs, battery. Jun 01 14:53:12 so I gather that motor+generator concept isn't yet usual in that domain? Jun 01 14:53:13 That you stand on. Jun 01 14:53:31 DocScrutinizer: no - it adds inefficiency Jun 01 14:53:38 DocScrutinizer: The weight is prohibitive, I guess. Jun 01 14:53:54 and power conversion in the several hundred watt range is not well understood by your average modelmaker Jun 01 14:54:01 that's what I'd like to have a look into Jun 01 14:54:15 * lardman hears mention of magnetometer and thinks about augmented reality... Jun 01 14:54:17 SpeedEvil: ack Jun 01 14:54:17 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=961876 - silly RC - 1/1000th (ish) the weight of the n900 Jun 01 14:55:07 lardman: hmm, what specifically? Jun 01 14:55:10 * lardman also wonders why Airbus autopilot doesn't apparently handle the failure case of no airspeed reading Jun 01 14:55:23 docscrutinizer: just in general really, would be pretty cool Jun 01 14:55:40 e.g. http://europe.nokia.com/services-and-apps/nokia-point-and-find Jun 01 14:56:11 are you the compass enthusiast missing such a capability in N900 ? Jun 01 14:56:19 indeed Jun 01 14:56:32 http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/23.24.html#subj12 Jun 01 14:56:34 Though I've not got any code written, but it would be cool Jun 01 14:56:37 lardman: USB-hostmode should save your day Jun 01 14:56:45 Miswiring a modern fly-by-wire airliner, and nearly crashing it Jun 01 14:56:59 SpeedEvil: oops! Jun 01 14:57:26 docscrutinizer: that working now then? Cool Jun 01 14:57:37 lardman: kinda Jun 01 14:57:56 * rosch wonders what the software update to flashlight is... Jun 01 14:57:56 you should start to get a compas in a micro-usb dongle Jun 01 14:58:12 s/get/find Jun 01 14:58:18 Someone mentioned X-plane earlier, if I have a spare 20min over the summer would be cool to write a MATLAB/Simulink/Stateflow autopilot to hook into the Ethernet link they provide Jun 01 14:58:19 SpeedEvil: another case of NEVER replace plugs, always replace the complete wire (which has keyed connectors) Jun 01 14:58:32 slow Slow SLOW Jun 01 14:58:47 Damn N900 has definitely become even more sluggish after the PR1.2 Jun 01 14:59:00 Ikarus: LOL Jun 01 14:59:08 RST38bis: not true Jun 01 14:59:20 RST38bis: yes, that's right Jun 01 14:59:21 Well, true here Jun 01 14:59:23 DocScrutinizer: I have seen expensive equipment killed that way Jun 01 14:59:33 Anyone tried experimenting with the swappiness controls? Jun 01 14:59:41 yes Jun 01 14:59:47 it worked in 1.1 Jun 01 14:59:48 even when I use kernel-power, it's sluggish Jun 01 14:59:50 Ikarus: You can't Jun 01 14:59:52 RST38bis: I have my N900 running compressed swap Jun 01 15:00:11 Ikarus: Does it run faster? Jun 01 15:00:14 but no objective tests Jun 01 15:00:15 Ikarus: Tearing out the whole wire along a duct running along ducts in the plane is another major operation. Jun 01 15:00:20 RST38bis: it seems about the same Jun 01 15:00:29 Ikarus: And the plugs probably won't fit through the ducts Jun 01 15:00:29 Ok, so that won't work Jun 01 15:00:31 RST38bis: perhaps a tiny bit faster Jun 01 15:00:38 RST38bis: it might work with your usage patterns Jun 01 15:00:47 Ikarus: Could you test something like this: Jun 01 15:00:54 I did some tests. Jun 01 15:01:00 Make -j4 of the kernel Jun 01 15:01:07 with swap on the same or a different FS Jun 01 15:01:09 Ikarus: 1) Run App Manager update and while it is updating try switching back to the desktop and running media player or XTerm Jun 01 15:01:31 It made no difference to the runtime. Jun 01 15:01:35 RST38bis: I know that running app manager update has less impact then it did without compressed swap Jun 01 15:01:39 Ikarus: 2) Run Fennec and try loading some pages, see if it is more sluggish or less Jun 01 15:01:50 Ikarus: Ahha, coooool Jun 01 15:02:00 but that is hardly typical usage Jun 01 15:02:01 Ikarus: Swap over nbd, and instrument it. :) Jun 01 15:02:08 SpeedEvil: heh :) Jun 01 15:02:16 SpeedEvil: I need to figure out a good test suite first Jun 01 15:02:16 Ikarus: It is a good corner case Jun 01 15:02:59 How about swapping to the second MMC card? Does it make system faster? Jun 01 15:03:15 RST38bis: no Jun 01 15:03:15 RST38bis: SLOWER Jun 01 15:03:32 RST38bis: the eMMC is hooked up to a 8 bit MMC bus, the card is on a 4 bit bus Jun 01 15:03:52 actually I need to see how much compression is done Jun 01 15:04:08 perhaps I can swap to NAND :P (not a good idea, the cycle life of the NAND is far lower then of the eMMC) Jun 01 15:04:16 sorry for the maybe silly question, but - is there a competent blog or whatever summarizing the regressions and workarounds of PR1.2 over PR1.1 ? Jun 01 15:04:57 ok Jun 01 15:05:23 Ikarus: The right way is a linear swap - I need to finish up my writeup on this. :/ Jun 01 15:06:54 DocScrutinizer: there is a thread on TMO about it Jun 01 15:07:10 Venemo: got a link please? :-) Jun 01 15:07:37 OMG! Jun 01 15:07:42 xsnow in extras-devel Jun 01 15:07:57 *cugh* Jun 01 15:07:59 DocScrutinizer: I didn't check it out because I had no issues :P Jun 01 15:08:14 Just in time for Christmas in July. Jun 01 15:08:42 DocScrutinizer, blog... competent... I didn't realise those two words went in the same sentence! :P Kidding Jun 01 15:10:15 want to see a hi-res pic from n900? (bread rolls and flour) Jun 01 15:11:04 * mgedmin hungry! Jun 01 15:11:14 Paid app in the store? Jun 01 15:12:00 OMG PAID APP Jun 01 15:12:15 i used the oven door to brace the device so there are no shakes. individual flour specks visible Jun 01 15:14:16 I wonder if no one believed me :) Jun 01 15:14:49 SpeedEvil: the right way is to solder a 1 Gbyte ram chip on the N900 :P Jun 01 15:14:55 but that would take quite the surgeon Jun 01 15:15:02 I don't think you can Jun 01 15:15:11 I'm pretty sure there are no compat chips Jun 01 15:15:28 you'd need a compatibility PCB soldered on the POP, with the RAM on top. Jun 01 15:15:29 ask Sammy to make one for you Jun 01 15:15:31 Which may be silly Jun 01 15:15:32 (Samsung) Jun 01 15:17:07 SpeedEvil: well, actually there are 256MB NAND + 1GB RAM (in 2x 512 dies) for OMAP platforms Jun 01 15:19:39 *finally* managed to get hold of the angry birds level pack \o/ Jun 01 15:20:08 lol Jun 01 15:20:09 :D Jun 01 15:20:16 angry birds is also for maemo? Jun 01 15:20:18 nidO: ^ Jun 01 15:20:32 wao: obviously yes? :) Jun 01 15:20:42 yeah, the game itself is free from ovi and included on the device by default Jun 01 15:21:04 but the paid level pack has been in and out of ovi store for months as nokia keep trying to get their thumbs out their asses and make the payment system work Jun 01 15:21:08 hehe Jun 01 15:21:09 :) Jun 01 15:21:11 and it just went back in Jun 01 15:21:20 ook. Jun 01 15:21:31 should be also for android Jun 01 15:21:32 :D Jun 01 15:23:50 \o/ http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/telepathy-ring Jun 01 15:24:21 Angry birds level pack! Jun 01 15:24:32 and morpho panorama app Jun 01 15:24:58 Robot101: \o/ Jun 01 15:25:15 I wish there were more (than 63) levels Jun 01 15:25:26 I've ***'d them all, and am reduced to beating highscores Jun 01 15:25:34 on the iPhone there are 5 level packs Jun 01 15:26:24 you mean 1*21 + 5*21? Jun 01 15:27:41 5*21 I think Jun 01 15:29:42 finally got bison working - i had to download a version from Debian SID and force depends install it - it looks like maemo's version is faulty Jun 01 15:30:09 :) Jun 01 15:30:09 you could've recompiled it so you don't break dependencies... Jun 01 15:30:25 xsnow - running on all 4 desktops - keeps the CPU at 500MHz. Jun 01 15:30:54 well, it didn't have broken dependencies but i did it just in case lol Jun 01 15:31:31 rofl Jun 01 15:31:47 now i have Google Go on my N900 xD Jun 01 15:32:13 what's google go? Jun 01 15:32:26 it's like a mashup with c and python Jun 01 15:32:47 it's easy to use :) Jun 01 15:33:08 and it compiles to native binaries Jun 01 15:33:34 (even has it's own toolchain) Jun 01 15:35:38 b-man|laptop, the chroot stuff failed when I tried to install ubuntu-desktop Jun 01 15:35:51 at one point, an app failed then the whole card went corrupt Jun 01 15:36:01 fsck moved all folders and renamed them in lost+found Jun 01 15:36:08 ouch :( Jun 01 15:36:36 how big is your card? Jun 01 15:38:54 X-Fade: could you find out about the GPIO names / SoC pin numbers / testpad names of any serial TTY boot console? Jun 01 15:39:34 DocScrutinizer: Not likely. Jun 01 15:39:45 X-Fade: whom to ask? Jun 01 15:40:12 DocScrutinizer: Good one, no idea. Jun 01 15:41:21 b-man|laptop, 16GBs Jun 01 15:41:24 6GB partition Jun 01 15:41:31 hmm Jun 01 15:41:59 did you bind mount /proc and /dev/pts? Jun 01 15:42:11 the latter no, isn't that for logs only? Jun 01 15:43:13 i believe so Jun 01 15:43:18 but Jun 01 15:43:49 it wouldn't hurt to mount it Jun 01 15:44:51 MohammadAG: what was the output when it failed? Jun 01 15:45:12 b-man|laptop, not sure right now, it's in the logs somewhere lol Jun 01 15:45:16 sec, I might find it Jun 01 15:48:02 * smoku just got latest PSX4ALL sources :D Jun 01 15:49:26 smoku, with the plugin? Jun 01 15:50:27 what plugin? PSX$ALL is not plugin based Jun 01 15:52:52 smoku, the DSP plugin :) Jun 01 15:54:04 <.< Jun 01 15:54:26 ??? PSX does not have DSP Jun 01 15:55:20 err, ZodTTD's sources Jun 01 15:56:52 smoku: is there some nice updates? Jun 01 15:58:58 Looks like when I update my IM status, maemo doesn't seem to recognise the change :/ Jun 01 16:01:19 Meaning, when I do it via dbus, it works, but if you check your availability settings it's not recognised, it's the same as the last time youc hanged it using the maemo ui Jun 01 16:01:52 * microlith notices the media player updating while in the app switcher Jun 01 16:05:44 whoa Jun 01 16:06:15 finished watching avatar and the credits for the visual teams.. it took a whole small country to make it Jun 01 16:06:36 lol Jun 01 16:07:00 a lot of blue men Jun 01 16:07:04 lol Jun 01 16:10:27 * jacekowski just bought beagleboard Jun 01 16:22:52 can't wait for when my warranty expires. I'll finally be able to optically improve the n900 Jun 01 16:23:45 is it possible to create wireless network? Jun 01 16:28:31 hmm, I wonder if the Nokia point and find barcode db and movie world image db are available for people to use...? Jun 01 16:28:41 I imagine not Jun 01 16:30:46 most probably Jun 01 16:30:50 maybe for n900 owners Jun 01 16:31:14 well it's not that important really, there are other data sources Jun 01 16:31:25 but the image recognition stuff for the movie posters is a nice idea Jun 01 16:31:43 city info would be useful, but again there are other data sources Jun 01 16:31:50 e-compass would be good though ;) Jun 01 16:32:25 is ovi store not updated for UK users? Jun 01 16:32:56 if i browse to ovi store from my N900, i dont see the new apps. Jun 01 16:33:27 probably they havent settled on the payment system for UK. Jun 01 16:34:47 they are serving different versions based on geoip? Jun 01 16:35:37 The ovi store has always been like that Jun 01 16:40:14 Setting up sudo (1.6.8p12-4osso22+0m5) ... Jun 01 16:40:14 Updating sudoers Jun 01 16:40:14 Setting up x11-xkb-utils (7.4+1-maemo2+0m5) ... Jun 01 16:40:14 FINALLY! Jun 01 16:42:45 trumee: angry birds level pack's been available from my uk connection since just after 4 at last Jun 01 16:42:51 least* Jun 01 16:50:15 nidO: yup, i see it now. in the process of buying it :) Jun 01 16:50:45 * lardman heads home Jun 01 16:50:55 trumee, do tell what 'system' it uses Jun 01 16:51:03 i.e does it use HAM Jun 01 16:51:08 (.install) Jun 01 16:51:09 MohammadAG: yes it does Jun 01 16:51:10 or a .deb Jun 01 16:51:20 MohammadAG: it opened up HAM for me. Jun 01 16:51:45 hmm Jun 01 16:51:50 time to try a normal deb Jun 01 16:58:32 does anyone know if QTouchEvent is supported in nokias qt sdk, I never receive the event Jun 01 16:59:19 trumee, it didn't ask to open/save? Jun 01 16:59:21 I mean, is it supported on the n900 ? Jun 01 16:59:38 MohammadAG: no it straight-away opened HAM Jun 01 17:02:55 my browser on PR1.2 has been acting weird. Is there any way to extract /home/user/.mozilla from emmc image and copy to N900? Jun 01 17:03:18 or can i simply delete .mozilla/microb folder to start afresh? Jun 01 17:03:58 trumee: try renaming it instead of deleting, but it should work Jun 01 17:04:23 hcm_: renaming .mozilla or .mozilla/microb? Jun 01 17:04:59 I'd start with microb.. if your problem isn't solved, you can also try .mozilla Jun 01 17:04:59 omg i love the N900 :) Jun 01 17:09:14 hmm extras-testing repo down eh Jun 01 17:09:47 get a 404 not found on http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/dists/freemantle/free/binary-armel/Packages Jun 01 17:10:42 haha my bad typo :) Jun 01 17:15:59 odd after adding the extras and extras-testing repositories i cannot seem to find Mobile HotSpot listed in the app manager Jun 01 17:20:48 hi all -- does anyone know if Fremantle logs XMPP connection attempts and errors? Jun 01 17:21:44 I'm trying to figure out why the Jabber client in PR 1.2 keeps blowing up when it attempts to connect to my server -- I suspect SSL certificate errors, but after importing the necessary certificates things are still going wrong and I have no information to work on Jun 01 17:26:04 noes. :( Jun 01 17:26:56 * FredrIQ was going to check what happened when passing 99999m in Bounce Evolution and ended up losing on 88244m because of major fail Jun 01 17:27:25 :) Jun 01 17:27:43 * SpeedEvil always falls off at 300m or so. Jun 01 17:27:44 :) Jun 01 17:28:03 so now where is a good place to start reading about maemo development? Jun 01 17:28:08 300m? Jun 01 17:28:25 The Internet. Jun 01 17:28:32 you mean at 1500m at the "fall of part for non-common player" Jun 01 17:28:33 i guess Jun 01 17:28:40 (actually, if somebody answers jcrawford, i'd be interested too) Jun 01 17:28:46 Fred: probably Jun 01 17:28:53 FredrIQ: I never played it much Jun 01 17:29:03 FredrIQ: I got distracted by 'blocks' Jun 01 17:29:09 i think i just found some training on maemo.org Jun 01 17:29:15 heh Jun 01 17:29:16 http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_getting_started_content/ Jun 01 17:31:42 test Jun 01 17:34:16 fail Jun 01 17:34:53 Test Failed. Jun 01 17:35:08 Initiating Self Destruct Sequence. Jun 01 17:35:19 Self Destruct Sequence Initiated. Jun 01 17:35:27 boom Jun 01 17:35:31 Self Destruct Will Commence in 4:49 Jun 01 17:35:43 Jun 01 17:39:25 Code zero zero zero. Jun 01 17:39:28 Destruct. Jun 01 17:39:30 Zero. Jun 01 17:39:38 Hey Jun 01 17:40:19 i cant find any package with traceroute for n900, am i missing something..? Jun 01 17:40:45 I kind of find something weird , the battery icon dosen't seem to update it self every time , after every reboot i get to see the actual results of the battery state Jun 01 17:40:53 install traceroute Jun 01 17:40:53 Reading package lists... Done Jun 01 17:40:53 Building dependency tree Jun 01 17:40:53 Reading state information... Done Jun 01 17:40:53 The following NEW packages will be installed: Jun 01 17:40:53 i started to happen now Jun 01 17:40:54 traceroute Jun 01 17:41:10 zlimvos_: you need MOAR REPOS. Jun 01 17:41:22 I think it's probably in tools Jun 01 17:42:19 repo called 'tools' right? Jun 01 17:42:25 yes - hangon Jun 01 17:42:28 fairly sure it is in tools Jun 01 17:43:04 Catalog name - fremantle tools Jun 01 17:43:14 web address: http://repository.maemo.org/ Jun 01 17:43:17 anyways , is there any way to unsubscribe from Nokia ? i tried it i got an SMS saying : Attempt to Unsubscribe Failed Jun 01 17:43:20 it's in maemo developer tools Jun 01 17:43:27 distrubition fremantle/tools Jun 01 17:43:31 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 Jun 01 17:43:32 components free/non-free Jun 01 17:43:46 in applicatoin manager - 'add repository' in settings Jun 01 17:43:59 xDaReaperx, nope once we got ya we keep ya hahaha Jun 01 17:44:03 seriously no idea :) Jun 01 17:44:07 lol Jun 01 17:44:38 cause it charges me for the SMS's they send Jun 01 17:45:16 xDaReaperx, if nothing else you could probably call your carrier and have the number blocked Jun 01 17:45:28 (not that that's the first thing to try, lol) Jun 01 17:45:51 hmmm , isn't there anyway i can block calls or SMS's ? Jun 01 17:46:37 blocking SMSs will not stop you being charged for them Jun 01 17:47:11 that sucks Jun 01 17:47:35 By the time you try to block them - they are already on your phone Jun 01 17:47:42 lol Jun 01 17:47:52 so there's nothing i can do for now Jun 01 17:47:54 SMSs are not delivered with a 'do you want this' first Jun 01 17:48:05 yeah i know that Jun 01 17:48:19 For me - the 'stop' worked - they diddn't send anymore after - though it said failed Jun 01 17:48:19 obviously this is one of those things that varies between providers, but everybody around here has unlimited incoming SMS... still, I've definitely heard that if you call your carrier in many cases they can put a block on it at that end, and prevent them being transmitted to you Jun 01 17:48:34 xDaReaperx: how you can be charged for incoming sms? Jun 01 17:49:17 berndans : i'll try to do that Jun 01 17:49:17 jacekowski, it's one of those things that varies around the world (like how incoming long distance calls don't cost anything in Europe, but do in NA) Jun 01 17:49:30 yeah you do get charged in different places Jun 01 17:49:53 hmm Jun 01 17:49:58 give me your number Jun 01 17:50:02 and i'll make you bankrupt Jun 01 17:50:23 not here. Jun 01 17:50:26 (uk) Jun 01 17:50:31 all inbound calls are free Jun 01 17:50:52 SpeedEvil: because we are civilised here Jun 01 17:50:56 any SMSs that are chargeable are refundable if the provider has not complied to the terms of conduct. Jun 01 17:51:02 once upon a time even outgoing sms were free here Jun 01 17:51:11 jacekowski : if you send me sms's it wont charge me Jun 01 17:51:14 xD Jun 01 17:51:20 then they realized they can charge people for that Jun 01 17:51:22 it's hard to explain for me Jun 01 17:51:29 yeah, it's really pretty frustrating here (Canada); incoming SMS are free, but incoming calls get charged long distance on cell networks Jun 01 17:51:36 xDaReaperx: so why sms from nokia charges you? Jun 01 17:51:58 that's why i am on this IRC ^ to know that Jun 01 17:52:03 and to stop it Jun 01 17:52:15 brendans: well, phone costs more in canada and US Jun 01 17:52:26 brendans: at least from what i heard Jun 01 17:52:26 (I mean, free incoming SMS is good - Caller ID is pretty key to avoid telemarketers though on a cell) Jun 01 17:52:35 speedevil: i added the repo but i got " http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools/free/non-free/binary-armel/packages 404 not found [ip 92.122.217.171 80] :/ Jun 01 17:52:45 brendans: here there is something called tps Jun 01 17:52:55 brendans: if you are on tps list and somebody calls you Jun 01 17:52:55 yeah i'm having that error too adding the extras repositories Jun 01 17:53:04 brendans: well, they just don't call you Jun 01 17:53:07 jacekowski: yeah, generally bad locked-in plans too. Plus getting an unlocked phone is pretty much unheard of, people think of it as borderline gray market Jun 01 17:53:28 zlimvos_ : yeah i'm having that error too adding the extras repositories , guys any solution for this ? Jun 01 17:53:38 brendans: most phones sold here are unlocked Jun 01 17:53:48 brendans: ( you have to pay your contract anyways ) Jun 01 17:53:52 jacekowski: yeah, I think there is a DNC registry in Canada now as well Jun 01 17:53:56 hey all Jun 01 17:54:13 i got a new device from warranty. now i'm trying to charge the battery for the first time but there's only a red light blinking and it doesn't apparently charge at all Jun 01 17:54:18 anyone know of a bluetooth auditing tool for maemo 5? Jun 01 17:54:24 any ideas what might be the problem? Jun 01 17:54:43 yuizy_: google Jun 01 17:54:43 how did the battery die so fast ? Jun 01 17:54:51 jacekowski: Yeah, the carriers here argue that there's no need for an unlocked phone, "Just buy our out-of-country long-distance package, and we won't charge $2/min..." Jun 01 17:55:43 brendans: well, roaming in EU is almost free Jun 01 17:56:00 brendans: and it will be completly free in 2012 or somewhere around that Jun 01 17:56:05 jacekowski: http://www.rogers.com/web/content/add-ons Jun 01 17:56:12 brendans: outside eu it costs a lot Jun 01 17:56:26 brendans: it was something like 80p/minute in US Jun 01 17:56:31 jacekowski: yeah, that would be nice... I know that even US roming on Rogers (one of Canada's networks) is $1.45/min Jun 01 17:56:49 jacekowski: without a special package, that is Jun 01 17:56:52 so why can i not find the mobile hotspot app? I added both extras and extras-testing to my repos Jun 01 17:57:25 Hi, Can any one tell what should I do to get my n900 upgraded to PR 1.2? apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade does not pick it up. Jun 01 17:57:25 i added Maemo extras Jun 01 17:57:32 but it says catalog failed to load Jun 01 17:57:40 and dosent' show up Jun 01 17:57:53 brendans: some carriers already stopped charging for roaming in EU at all Jun 01 17:58:06 [Andrukas]: I'd use NSU on a computer, unless you got ~54MB free on rootfs you can't update OTA anyway Jun 01 17:58:06 brendans: well, for calls, data still costs a lot Jun 01 17:58:57 jacekowski: about the best in Canada is a new carrier called Wind Mobile: http://www.windmobile.ca/ Jun 01 17:58:58 ToJa92, I've got about 60mb free on rootfs, how do I initiate the upgrade? Jun 01 17:59:08 i updated my N900 OTA the other day went just fine Jun 01 17:59:13 jacekowski: (well, new to us, I think they exist in the UK if I'm not mistaken) Jun 01 17:59:16 brendans: how much does n900 costs? Jun 01 17:59:24 never heard of them Jun 01 17:59:33 jacekowski: but they've only deployed in about 4 cities thus far Jun 01 17:59:35 [Andrukas]: You should see it in application manager Jun 01 17:59:37 though I used wifi and not the AT&T internet as it was tooo damn slow Jun 01 17:59:46 if you press update Jun 01 17:59:53 maybe you should try apt-get update ? Jun 01 17:59:58 ToJa92, that's the thing, I can't see it there Jun 01 18:00:30 jacekowski: N900's not actually available in Canada, so I ordered it from the US. $600 CDN + tax (12%) Jun 01 18:00:40 uuuuuuuuu Jun 01 18:00:53 1 CAD == 1USD? Jun 01 18:00:55 jacekowski: Might be $50 less now... Jun 01 18:01:04 i bought the N900 for just: 450 $ Jun 01 18:01:16 i bought my n900 for £49 Jun 01 18:01:22 locked ? Jun 01 18:01:25 no Jun 01 18:01:30 company ? Jun 01 18:01:32 [Andrukas]: Do you have the Vodafone UK version? Jun 01 18:01:34 uk carriers don't sell locked phones Jun 01 18:01:41 jacekowski: about 0.95 USD right now; but I bought it outright without a plan Jun 01 18:01:44 hmm k how so cheap ? Jun 01 18:01:50 24 months contract Jun 01 18:02:00 £25/mo Jun 01 18:02:06 wow Jun 01 18:02:08 ToJa92, not sure, I bought it from ebay. I think it is a UK version Jun 01 18:02:10 with 500 minutes, 500 texts, unlimited data Jun 01 18:02:48 so it works out at £650 over 2 years Jun 01 18:03:01 that's ridiculous... even at the best rates available, that would run easily $75-$100 /mo here Jun 01 18:03:08 oh cool Jun 01 18:03:29 [Andrukas]: Oh, well if it's from vodafone then IIRC PR1.2 isn't released Jun 01 18:03:39 so you would need to flash the global release Jun 01 18:04:04 ToJa92, is there a way a can check witch version I'm running? Jun 01 18:04:05 iphone was like £100 for phone + 35/mo over 18 months with 600 minutes 600 texts and unlimited data Jun 01 18:04:25 [Andrukas]: I don't know, really Jun 01 18:05:42 unless you got anything important on the device you should do a full flash anyway, so that you clean it up(unless you bought it new, that is) Jun 01 18:05:52 anybody who can answer me why SSH key field on maemo.org account mgmt throws out the space between the leading "ssh-dss lksduadnhjk..." and the trailing "user@machine.dom" ? Jun 01 18:05:57 jacekowski: they do sell locked phones. Blackberries for example don't work with vodaphone SIMs from other countries Jun 01 18:06:17 well, iphone and blackberry is an exception Jun 01 18:06:48 DocScrutinizer: you don't need that last part Jun 01 18:06:49 A problem here , i can't add the extras repositories from http://repository.maemo.org/ , i did a apt-get update and go this : Err http://repository.maemo.org/ fermantile/freepackages - 404 not found [IP : 92.122.208.163 80] Jun 01 18:06:58 DocScrutinizer: and from my experience dss keys don't work Jun 01 18:07:00 is the key supposed to have no user@machine.xx extension? Jun 01 18:07:02 xDaReaperx: fremantile? Jun 01 18:07:02 DocScrutinizer: it has to be rsa Jun 01 18:07:14 fsck Jun 01 18:07:22 sorry femantle Jun 01 18:07:25 thanks anyway Jun 01 18:07:30 i typed it down looking it from my N900 Jun 01 18:07:30 xDaReaperx: no, "fremantle" Jun 01 18:07:35 DocScrutinizer: so you just need ssh-rsa wqwefweirfwoierjfowejrfwoierfwejrfiwjrefiwerf Jun 01 18:07:42 yeah okay Jun 01 18:07:46 so whats the problem actually ? Jun 01 18:08:07 xDaReaperx: well, if you typed it wrong now, what says you didn't type it wrong on your n900? Jun 01 18:08:21 xDaReaperx: it's a 404 not found, so you typed something wrong Jun 01 18:08:22 who gives out @maemo cloaks to people? Jun 01 18:08:26 no i didn't type it wrong , it shows the IP Jun 01 18:08:30 jacekowski: hmmm :-S (me going to create a pubkey just for friggin garage - maybe tomorrow) Jun 01 18:08:45 xDaReaperx: that's for the hostname, not the "fremantle" and "free" part Jun 01 18:08:57 DocScrutinizer: X-Fade claims that it should work with dss key Jun 01 18:08:58 jacekowski: on IRC? Jun 01 18:09:04 ok can u tell me what to type in the add catalog menu ? Jun 01 18:09:10 DocScrutinizer: so it might be problem with scratchbox ssh or something Jun 01 18:09:22 DocScrutinizer: but i can log in with that key somewhere else Jun 01 18:09:25 crashanddie: yeah Jun 01 18:09:40 jacekowski: ask GAN, he will forward the request to X-Fade Jun 01 18:09:52 [Andrukas]: You could check if you have the repository "Nokia system software updates" in application manager, if you don't have it for some reason it wont find pr 1.2 Jun 01 18:10:07 xDaReaperx: it needs to be "free", not "freepackages" Jun 01 18:10:35 yeah its : free non-free Jun 01 18:10:43 * DocScrutinizer pokes X-Fade about garage project :-) Jun 01 18:10:46 xDaReaperx: screenshot please Jun 01 18:10:59 ok Jun 01 18:11:01 hold Jun 01 18:11:41 to take screen shot its : shft + ctrl + p ? Jun 01 18:13:12 yes Jun 01 18:14:31 okay here's the screen shot : http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/9943/screenshot2010060121110.png Jun 01 18:16:19 i save it , and it adds , but it dosent show up now Jun 01 18:18:47 wow so much silence Jun 01 18:21:16 does anyone know how to upgrade N900 to PR1.2 using apt-get? Jun 01 18:21:25 which rep should be used? Jun 01 18:21:29 fennec doesn't support flash player what shall i do? Jun 01 18:21:46 you should kill yourself over it Jun 01 18:24:48 Hi Jun 01 18:26:09 hi Jun 01 18:27:18 lol netsplit Jun 01 18:27:31 really? Jun 01 18:27:37 how did you find out? Jun 01 18:27:51 ? Jun 01 18:28:03 its obvious when it happens :/ Jun 01 18:28:12 hmm k Jun 01 18:28:45 does overclocking your N900 reduce battery life ? Jun 01 18:29:25 xDaReaperx: shouldn't Jun 01 18:29:41 any benchmarking apps ? Jun 01 18:30:42 overclocking will reduce battery life and device lifespan Jun 01 18:30:56 and void your warranty Jun 01 18:30:57 yeah thats what i thought Jun 01 18:30:58 [citation needed] Jun 01 18:31:23 it by definion needs more power Jun 01 18:31:49 since power increases with the square of the frequency Jun 01 18:32:21 hey is there a FTP client for N900 ? Jun 01 18:32:38 PhonicUK: I was more talking about the device lifespan Jun 01 18:33:30 same again, you're switching the silicon more frequently Jun 01 18:34:04 so there's no FTP client for N900 Jun 01 18:34:04 and transistors have a fixed lifespan if terms of the number of switches they can do Jun 01 18:34:23 gFTP Jun 01 18:34:33 its in the app manager :/ Jun 01 18:34:41 i cant find it Jun 01 18:34:51 searched the app manager a lot Jun 01 18:35:16 i need a browser that it support socks proxy and flash palyer together. the FCKing microb ui can not support profile or keep about:config setting and fennec doesn't support flash player Jun 01 18:35:25 i went to All and searched for FTP Jun 01 18:35:31 first result Jun 01 18:35:50 do you have the extras repo enabled? Jun 01 18:36:10 when i type : ftp nothing shows up :( Jun 01 18:36:18 yeah thats the problem , i can't add the extras repo Jun 01 18:36:26 i added it actually , but it dosent show up Jun 01 18:36:49 find it on maemo.org then Jun 01 18:36:54 using the device Jun 01 18:36:59 ok Jun 01 18:39:18 PhonicUK: "transistors have a fixed lifespan if terms of the number of switches they can do" where did you get that revelation? Jun 01 18:39:20 so weird , i went to maemo 5 downloads section , and i type FTP on the search says nothing found Jun 01 18:40:09 during my module in digital systems design at university Jun 01 18:40:32 also, see wikipedia entry for overclocking Jun 01 18:40:42 brb getting off bus Jun 01 18:41:27 or not Jun 01 18:41:39 i hate the busses here Jun 01 18:42:06 This is quite annoting, that the accounts system doesn't pick up on my presence updates :( Jun 01 18:42:11 no suggestion? Jun 01 18:42:18 s/annoting/annoying Jun 01 18:42:38 PhonicUK: overclocking damages hardware due to admixture migration because of heat Jun 01 18:43:21 but I can't see how transistor could wear by electrons flow Jun 01 18:43:48 smoku: They do. Jun 01 18:43:59 smoku: Wikipedia - electromigration Jun 01 18:45:45 SpeedEvil: that does not happen under normal conditions Jun 01 18:46:04 ok. it happens so slow, that it takes a lifetime to notice Jun 01 18:46:13 smoku: overclocking beyond spec is not "normal conditions" though is it :/ Jun 01 18:46:25 earthquake Jun 01 18:46:41 smok: yes, it does. Jun 01 18:46:53 smoku: It has actually caused failures in real chips. Jun 01 18:47:07 smoku: The nokia graphics chip failures were due to this Jun 01 18:47:10 err - nvidia Jun 01 18:47:33 these lacked proper cooling Jun 01 18:47:52 They diddn't. Jun 01 18:47:57 the n900 uses nvidia graqphics chips ? Jun 01 18:48:01 no Jun 01 18:48:03 They were adequately cooled to not fail. Jun 01 18:48:05 PowerVR SGX Jun 01 18:48:15 smoku: The N900 has no cooling :P Jun 01 18:48:22 it has Jun 01 18:48:22 The failure was due to electromigration, not overheating Jun 01 18:48:25 passive cooling Jun 01 18:48:36 Sure, but nothing active. Jun 01 18:48:45 Which was obviously what I meant. Jun 01 18:48:56 There isn't even a heatsink. Jun 01 18:49:10 I thought nvidia graphics chip failures were due to heat and not due to electrical sissues Jun 01 18:49:17 Even though the A8's should handle high clock rates, the N900 is extremely compact. Jun 01 18:49:25 ShadowJK: It was electromigration exacerbated by heat Jun 01 18:50:03 Also - the actual makers datasheet for the chipset actually says that it has a limited life when run at 600MHz Jun 01 18:51:28 so the N900 is a fail ? Jun 01 18:51:34 no Jun 01 18:51:39 well, it's 2 years on 600MHz Jun 01 18:51:50 instead of 500 years Jun 01 18:51:50 actually only 15 months Jun 01 18:51:56 that's assuming constant operation at 600MHz Jun 01 18:51:57 the rest are only service Jun 01 18:52:02 SpeedEvil: elecromigration caused by overheating ;P Jun 01 18:52:49 still, saying that transistors have a finite number of switches, is exageration at least... Jun 01 18:53:06 they do Jun 01 18:53:14 everything has finite lifetime Jun 01 18:53:40 smoku: It's not transistors. Jun 01 18:53:45 smoku: It's wires. Jun 01 18:53:59 Hi everyone. I have a little problem. I had my "mail for exchange" configured and working but I had to restore my contacts due to some mixup out of an backup from before the last big upgrade. Now my "mail for exchange" won't configure anymore, I can configure it but it will never end in a situation where it stays activated and working. Jun 01 18:54:07 smoku: The wires actually 'flow' slightly due to the electrons flowing past them. Jun 01 18:54:13 [20:34:46] and transistors have a fixed lifespan if terms of the number of switches they can do Jun 01 18:54:44 My mobile heats up on charging Jun 01 18:54:52 Much? Jun 01 18:55:00 from the charger? Jun 01 18:55:23 xDaReaperx: that's not really anything in comparison to the CPU and, it's not even in direct contact with it .. Jun 01 18:55:51 well i can feel it heating from below Jun 01 18:55:56 not much but usually its cool Jun 01 18:56:06 So, has anyone got any experience with telepathy on the N900? Jun 01 18:56:11 no Jun 01 18:56:15 whats that ? Jun 01 18:56:16 N900/maemo as I guess this is to do with the platform. Jun 01 18:56:18 i saw one app Jun 01 18:56:22 xDaReaperx: IM Jun 01 18:56:29 oh ok Jun 01 18:57:03 ooohnoes, don't get me started again on OC Jun 01 18:57:13 how can I send a project from esbox to a n900? I already have it connected via usb and configured. Jun 01 18:57:56 yes now i can see gFTP Jun 01 18:58:05 DocScrutinizer's powering up! Jun 01 18:58:15 What if I were to overclock my N900? Jun 01 18:58:21 i had to add the extras tesing and devel repository Jun 01 18:58:22 Would it run iPhone then? Jun 01 18:58:40 How about Half Life 2? Jun 01 19:00:06 SpeedEvil: smoku: actually the most usual case is the 'wires' flow *into* the 'transistors' (it's actually FETs), such ruining the P/N dotation Jun 01 19:00:29 yeah. Jun 01 19:01:00 so the transistor loses his semiconductor properties Jun 01 19:01:25 SpeedEvil: nevertheless, it's unnoticable under normal conditions - like the glass flowing in windows. and if it is noticable - it's a design mistake. Jun 01 19:01:44 anyone know if I can somehow search for a street without searching for the city in Sygic? Jun 01 19:01:50 while OC isn't exactly 'normal conditions' Jun 01 19:02:32 OC works fine though.. Jun 01 19:02:32 anyone dual booted their phones? Jun 01 19:03:12 haj: N2O for your motor also works 'fine' :-P Jun 01 19:03:19 I have been running my N900 at max 900MHz like a month.. just set it to max 1000MHz some days ago... no problems.. Jun 01 19:03:27 DocScrutinizer: ok. I was learning on discrete elements. I guess it may happen faster in todays integrated chips, when one is actually counting single atoms. Jun 01 19:03:41 smoku: exactly Jun 01 19:03:44 how do you overclock the n900 anyway ? is it easy ? Jun 01 19:04:13 DocScrutinizer: I have been overclocking CPU's since I had a 486 DX2 OC'ed to DX4... This is no different.. Jun 01 19:04:15 smoku: The maker of the chip says the chip has a limited life at 600MHz. This is designed to be completely adequate for the application it's in. Jun 01 19:04:17 smoku: you got current densities of kA or even mA / mm^2 Jun 01 19:04:28 xDaReaperx: wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking or something like that Jun 01 19:04:33 haj: stfu Jun 01 19:04:41 smoku: If you overclock, then you may get lots less life Jun 01 19:04:57 also does not appear to be true Jun 01 19:05:13 SpeedEvil: you don't have to convince me that overclocking damages hardware :) Jun 01 19:05:19 haj: you're completely ignorant if you think that a desktop computer is at all the same as a mobile embedded SoC. Jun 01 19:05:22 smoku: No, I don't. Jun 01 19:05:27 DocScrutinizer: why? It is no different. Jun 01 19:05:42 smoku: I'm pointing to a fact - the chip datasheet. Do you know the authors of this are lying? Jun 01 19:05:51 haj: apply somewhere else for basic lessons please Jun 01 19:05:55 alterego: I don't say that... But the N900 has safeguards that shuts it down if it overheats. Jun 01 19:06:04 haj: No, it doesn't. Jun 01 19:06:05 or send $$$ to my paypal Jun 01 19:06:08 haj: No, it doesn't. Jun 01 19:06:12 haj: There is no CPU temperature sensor. Jun 01 19:06:23 Uhm.. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere. Jun 01 19:06:25 haj: stop telling BS Jun 01 19:06:27 haj: At least no reliable one. There is a 'battery' temperature sensor Jun 01 19:06:27 haj: Please, if you don't know what you're talking about, shut up and listen to those that do, or do some research. Jun 01 19:06:42 (which is not very close to the battery) Jun 01 19:07:07 alterego: then I'll put it this way... How many people killed of a N900 by overclocking it? Jun 01 19:07:40 real world results are the ones that count :) Jun 01 19:07:43 haj: do you think anybody here can answer that question to you? Jun 01 19:07:50 haj: Mobile processors like those that are in our beloved N900, are extremely tightly geared to give the best possible performance with a reasonible lifetime. You mess with that, it's a gamble. Jun 01 19:08:04 haj: when they start appearing in talk, why don't you keep a count. Jun 01 19:08:10 DocScrutinizer: Did you hear about anyone frying a N900 by overclocking? Jun 01 19:08:19 haj: considering the N900 hasn't even been out a year yet .. Jun 01 19:08:34 haj: yes. so... now it's your turn Jun 01 19:09:16 DocScrutinizer: Okay, I have heard about lots and lots that didn't have problems overclocking them. Jun 01 19:09:29 SpeedEvil: so you're saying that Cortex was designed to fail after a destined lifetime? i didn't know that. much enlightening Jun 01 19:09:35 Okay, so it's not even been around for a year, and DocScrutinizer says someone has already fried theirs, and I trust his words :P Jun 01 19:09:44 smoku: Cortex is not a CPU. Jun 01 19:09:51 smoku: Cortex is an architecture. Jun 01 19:09:52 haj: I heard about lots and lots of cat surviving a drop from 10th floor. Do you want to try? Jun 01 19:09:54 smoku: they're not designed to fail, they're deisgned to last :P Jun 01 19:09:58 but hey.. We can stop discussing it, I don't really care :) Jun 01 19:10:06 smoku: but they can only make things last for so long. Jun 01 19:10:20 smoku: It is implemented by vendors taking the design, and putting it into a chip in the form of silicon. Jun 01 19:10:31 smoku: and SpeedEvil is absolutely right on that Jun 01 19:10:36 smoku: and it's a balance between performance and life expectancy. Jun 01 19:10:53 (lifetime limits) Jun 01 19:10:56 Hey is this a right benchmarking tool ? : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=604899&postcount=7 Jun 01 19:12:10 o.O fiery overclocking discussions :) (pun intended) Jun 01 19:12:33 DocScrutinizer/alterego: I'll bet you a N900 that when my N900 stops working it'll not be because it runs 1000MHz... ;) Jun 01 19:12:59 SpeedEvil: if I would write "OMAP 3430" you would say that it's not a microprocessor, rigt? Jun 01 19:13:49 smoku: OMAP is a processor manufactured by Texas Instruments using the ARM blueprints. Jun 01 19:13:51 smoku: It's SoC - a system on a chip. It contains a cortex A8 design on it - on one chip along with other stuff made by TI Jun 01 19:14:16 The actual chip may also have stuff soldered to the top of the package Jun 01 19:14:18 Well, SpeedEvil's description is much better. Jun 01 19:14:29 I just rwanted to say it first :P Jun 01 19:14:49 haj: I actually believe you're right. It will probably stop working because you threw it to the wall, annoyed by the ever increasing segfaults in each and every app Jun 01 19:15:31 DocScrutinizer: hahaha, :) Jun 01 19:15:36 haj: you quite obviously have not the slightest idea about how OC, electromigration, and modern SoC work Jun 01 19:15:52 SpeedEvil: so by "cortex" I meant the CPU core within that chip. do you have any better term? Jun 01 19:16:44 (I'm not native english speaker and I am still learning) Jun 01 19:16:46 DocScrutinizer: Not likely... Since I'm not an idiot I know that that isn't very likely to happen because of overclocking.. Thats more likely to happen if the device has a bad memory chip. Jun 01 19:17:11 haj: stfu Jun 01 19:18:14 DocScrutinizer: why don't you stfu... Jun 01 19:18:47 smoku: The term 'cpu' works Jun 01 19:18:54 haj: because *I* know what I'm talking about, which you quite evidentally don't Jun 01 19:19:15 "so you're saying that CPU was designed to fail"? weird Jun 01 19:19:24 yep Jun 01 19:19:30 haj: a lot of people in this channel are not idiots, and you're just showing your ignorance. So I would seriously back off. Jun 01 19:19:36 lol Jun 01 19:19:51 why dosen't anyone in the channel ever " lol " ? Jun 01 19:19:52 DocScrutinizer: your use of sftu in discussions dosn't really suggest that you know shit about anything... Jun 01 19:20:17 on 500MHz it'll fail after e.g 100.000h, on 600MHz it will fail after 10.000h, on 700MHz after 1000h... Jun 01 19:20:21 haj: no, it doesn't, but DocScrutinizer knowledge on semiconductor design does, something that you quite obviously lack. Jun 01 19:20:27 alterego: I'm not ignorant at all... Jun 01 19:20:37 haj: you certainly are in this field. Jun 01 19:20:50 DocScrutinizer: So, now you are saying that you have already tested the N900's CPU at 700MHz for 1000h ? ;) Jun 01 19:21:23 How often does HAM check for new updates, if you doesn't open the HAM manually? Jun 01 19:21:24 * alterego gives up Jun 01 19:21:35 * alterego gets back to coding. Jun 01 19:21:49 haj: if you refuse to carefully read my posts (here ">>e.g.<<") then you'll qualify for a kick acting this way Jun 01 19:22:40 n900-dk: once a day Jun 01 19:23:29 DocScrutinizer: people have been saying this always about clockspeeds.. The factory clock of a CPU, regardless of it being for a desktop or a mobile device will always be a compromise based on that the company that makes the device need it to be nice and stable, and with a mobile device that it can't use up too much power. Jun 01 19:23:42 smoku: Do you know the time? Jun 01 19:24:05 DocScrutinizer: I don't care about being kicked if I'm not allowed to use my freedom of speech. Jun 01 19:24:18 "freedom of speech"? Jun 01 19:24:43 freedom of spamming the chan with BS Jun 01 19:24:56 n900-dk: no. but experience shows that around midnight. Jun 01 19:25:21 DocScrutinizer: how about spamming the chan with FUD.. :) Jun 01 19:25:49 lol Jun 01 19:26:52 DocScrutinizer: you do realise you're kicking more than me these days Jun 01 19:27:03 So crontabs is not in use on the N900, or am I wrong? Jun 01 19:27:14 DocScrutinizer: if he PM's you, send him to me Jun 01 19:27:15 honest question that's peripherally related: I know the new-rev beagleboards are running at 720 MHz, and my understanding is that the 3530 core is more or less the same as the 3430 core in a different package Jun 01 19:27:23 Shit, cannot install the old libpurple0 any more Jun 01 19:27:28 does anyone know if this is a design lifetime decision, or just the fact that it has better cooling? Jun 01 19:27:31 crashanddie: must be the rainy spring causing an unforgiving mood Jun 01 19:27:34 and telepathy-haze won't work without it Jun 01 19:27:42 probably Jun 01 19:28:48 ...or me entering male's climacterium Jun 01 19:30:06 brendans: You can get different speeds Jun 01 19:30:09 a felt 17 people told haj to stop speading BS and think twice before he states he's expert for chip design Jun 01 19:30:20 brendans: And exactly what the difference between the speedgrades is is a qustion Jun 01 19:30:52 brendans: All parts may in fact go at 720 without issue. Or some of the 600MHz parts may fail irretrievably after 3 hours. Jun 01 19:30:57 You can't tell withjout more data Jun 01 19:31:01 SpeedEvil: so a question of quality bins and thermal profiles, perhaps? Jun 01 19:31:02 DocScrutinizer: not criticising your actions mate, just stating the obvious Jun 01 19:31:06 quick repository question: is there often a delay between uploads of new package (to Extras-devel) and it showing up as the active package in the package view? my upload was done 12 hours ago and still no change. Jun 01 19:31:07 And TI won't tell you, and nokia won't know. Jun 01 19:31:25 The only way to do this would be to take a few hundred chips, and overclock them, and observe the results Jun 01 19:31:47 And this may be invalid as the parameter you're testing may change partway through a batch with new product Jun 01 19:32:03 SpeedEvil: Makes sense Jun 01 19:32:51 Or have the overclock kernel come with a $1 fee - which goes to the first person to break their n900. Jun 01 19:33:21 SpeedEvil: I will say the 720 MHz on the beagleboard is nice... but it also didn't cost almost $700, so I'm less inclined to mess around with MTBF numbers on the n900 Jun 01 19:33:34 SpeedEvil: Nice; like an endowment fund? Jun 01 19:33:51 as it stands i have no idea if the package thats pushed to users is the one on the package view page or the one listed if i surf to the repository listing. Jun 01 19:34:29 just leaves to say: TI *did* that kind of OC tests to their chips, and that's what Nokia based their N900 clockspeed at Jun 01 19:34:48 crashanddie: you here? Jun 01 19:34:51 ah ha Jun 01 19:35:04 DocScrutinizer: Yeah, it goes without saying that if they could actually get stable performance at a higher clock, they'd have done it Jun 01 19:35:05 I am Jun 01 19:35:15 may i pm you? Jun 01 19:35:17 just a note -- if anyone else is having trouble with getting telepathy-gabble to do TLS, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9262 might be useful Jun 01 19:35:18 Bug 9262: Modest not able to validate server certificates Jun 01 19:35:19 Viliny__: about to leave though Jun 01 19:35:20 brendans: exactly Jun 01 19:35:24 DocScrutinizer: (consistently, at least) Jun 01 19:35:34 crashanddie: ah well then nvm Jun 01 19:35:42 Viliny__: what's it about? Jun 01 19:35:50 expression simplifying Jun 01 19:36:11 hah Jun 01 19:36:48 DocScrutinizer: More than likely they want some maximum percentage of the phones to die within e.g. a three-year contract term. Say two or three standard deviations out. Jun 01 19:36:57 Viliny__: ask DocScrutinizer Jun 01 19:38:02 sorry, also leaving Jun 01 19:38:07 cheers Jun 01 19:38:31 heading out myself; bye all Jun 01 19:42:48 hey , i downloaded the file : http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/770/n900/nbench using xterminal , where will the file be saved ? Jun 01 19:44:55 xDaReaperx: to the directory you had active at the time is my guess Jun 01 19:45:15 hmm i had no directory active Jun 01 19:45:21 i downloaded using xterminal Jun 01 19:45:30 wget? Jun 01 19:45:32 its a benchmarking app Jun 01 19:45:33 yeah Jun 01 19:45:35 wget Jun 01 19:46:10 wget downloads to the directory you have active when you type it in unless you specify otherwise, i don't think you can actually have the terminal open and NOT have a directory active Jun 01 19:46:18 my 2 cents Jun 01 19:46:20 Teeheehee, well, at least it works. My MAFW Telepathy status updater! :D Jun 01 19:47:24 I suppose I should write a little UI for it or something ... Jun 01 19:51:50 is it possible to browse the files in the root ? Jun 01 19:51:56 like the bin , home etc Jun 01 19:52:04 cd / ? Jun 01 19:52:22 Not with the default file manager, no. Jun 01 19:52:31 hmm some other way Jun 01 19:52:39 i tried gFTP , it shows the folders , but it wont open Jun 01 19:52:41 [xDaReaperx]: Install midnight commander Jun 01 19:52:53 is it available in app manager ? Jun 01 19:52:57 or if you just want to browse, open a browser and enter filer:/// as url Jun 01 19:53:04 file:/// * Jun 01 19:53:10 hmm Jun 01 19:53:14 [xDaReaperx]: I think it's in extras-devel Jun 01 19:53:18 ok Jun 01 19:54:18 wow my app manager takes forever to load Jun 01 19:55:00 well the download part of app manager takes some time Jun 01 19:55:11 if you got rootsh installed you could just apt-get install mc Jun 01 19:55:17 to install midnight commander Jun 01 19:55:35 yeah i'll do that Jun 01 19:56:03 i did apt-get install mc Jun 01 19:56:22 it says could not get lock /VAR/LIB/DGKB/LOCK Jun 01 19:56:37 /ctcp #Khertan_Migo Jun 01 19:56:39 oups Jun 01 19:56:46 found it anyways Jun 01 19:57:54 [xDaReaperx]: you must close app manager Jun 01 19:58:01 yeah i figured it out Jun 01 19:59:07 ok i openend it Jun 01 19:59:55 xDaReaperx: also from your desktop you can browse sftp://user@192.168.1.31/ quite conveniently Jun 01 20:00:31 using the browser ? Jun 01 20:00:37 probably want filezilla Jun 01 20:00:38 (of course depending on the particular browser you use) Jun 01 20:00:50 the normal one Jun 01 20:00:50 or something else that does sftp Jun 01 20:00:53 konqueror works fine Jun 01 20:01:12 the gnope one allegedly also works Jun 01 20:01:26 gnome Jun 01 20:01:45 how abt the firefox browser Jun 01 20:02:18 It doesn't know how Jun 01 20:02:28 works, but probably will not allow to just click a textfile to open it in e.g. kate/kwrite Jun 01 20:02:37 hmm Jun 01 20:02:41 hi, what will happen if i change apt source from "deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/205 ./" to "deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/203 ./ " in order to upgrade my n900 to PR.1.2 Jun 01 20:02:47 i want to know where the files get installed from wget Jun 01 20:03:01 at least here with ssh pubkey passwordless login FF works Jun 01 20:03:17 dpkg -L wget Jun 01 20:03:26 shows the files associated with wget Jun 01 20:03:29 ok Jun 01 20:05:12 when i do a cd /home/user/MyDocs/Downloads/ it says can't cd to that Jun 01 20:05:15 why ? Jun 01 20:05:23 i want the wget to download the files there Jun 01 20:06:06 does it exist? Jun 01 20:06:11 (the directory) Jun 01 20:06:17 presumably you can't go there because it doesn't exist.. Jun 01 20:06:20 thats waht i want to know Jun 01 20:06:28 thats why i want to browse the root Jun 01 20:06:41 try creating it first - mkdir /home/user/MyDocs/Downloads Jun 01 20:06:50 o_O Jun 01 20:07:38 okay fine Jun 01 20:07:39 now its fine Jun 01 20:07:45 lol Jun 01 20:07:49 still new to the device Jun 01 20:07:51 and maemo Jun 01 20:08:24 I'm not sure you want to follow any instructions involving wget and x-terminal :D Jun 01 20:08:37 i do wonder how i managed to break osso-xterm not to use the spot where the scrollbar usually is again, *shakes fist at 79 colums* Jun 01 20:09:11 well are there any instructions ? Jun 01 20:09:29 i wanted to install the nbench app Jun 01 20:11:14 is here anyone still on older version than pr1.2? Jun 01 20:11:43 nop Jun 01 20:11:47 not me Jun 01 20:13:50 does anyone have "https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/205 " in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager ? Jun 01 20:14:46 isn't 205 the vodaphone branch? Jun 01 20:15:07 can we copy paste in the x terminal ? Jun 01 20:15:14 andrius_: still on PR1.1.1 Jun 01 20:15:40 tap the arrow icon, paint text, menu->copy Jun 01 20:16:17 microlith, yea that's why I'm asking, i wondering what would happened if i change 205 vodafone to 203 uk generic Jun 01 20:16:30 would i be able to upgrade my phone to pr1.2 Jun 01 20:16:36 or would that break something Jun 01 20:16:50 nope, won't break anything afaik Jun 01 20:16:53 ok ty Jun 01 20:17:57 'Listening to "Castaway" by "Jerry Cantrell" via Nokia N900' :D Jun 01 20:17:59 andrius_: but then otoh you'd need to reflash to 203 PR1.1, so you could as well flash pr1.2 straight away Jun 01 20:18:09 although you've probably got the wrong mp-fremantle-* (or something like that) package installed for it to do anything sensible with stuff it finds in uk repo, I'd think Jun 01 20:18:58 * ShadowJK 'd also say no to variants crippled by operators :) Jun 01 20:19:11 DocScrutinizer, i'm trying to avoid flashing Jun 01 20:19:20 (and whine at vodafone and nokia care) Jun 01 20:19:32 so how would you change from 205 to 203 then? Jun 01 20:19:44 editing the apt source file Jun 01 20:19:50 finally benchmarking Jun 01 20:19:56 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager Jun 01 20:20:12 hmm, dunno if that'll pan out Jun 01 20:20:22 yea Jun 01 20:20:34 not sure how different these repositories are Jun 01 20:20:47 probably marginal Jun 01 20:21:04 theming maybe Jun 01 20:22:18 but also maybe diferent kernel version - just for the version string. But I never had a look into any of those non-global versions, so I can't even give an educated guess Jun 01 20:22:22 Oh, that's interesting, it does update the "My Availability" dialog, just not the "global" one. Jun 01 20:25:46 anyone using aircrack-ng ? on the N900 ? Jun 01 20:27:22 xDaReaperx: great way to waste battery power Jun 01 20:27:27 afaik the wireless card doens't support injection using the default kernel Jun 01 20:27:32 well so it dosent work ? Jun 01 20:27:33 doesn't* Jun 01 20:27:44 was there even a typo... Jun 01 20:27:48 not yet I think Jun 01 20:27:58 hmm then i'll remove it Jun 01 20:28:12 MohammadAG , saw ur name in that Health check app Jun 01 20:28:14 lol Jun 01 20:28:43 yeah I really need a healthcheck, I'm in a queue Jun 01 20:28:43 :P Jun 01 20:28:49 lol Jun 01 20:28:58 btw my N900 is heating up badly Jun 01 20:28:59 now Jun 01 20:29:16 its warm Jun 01 20:29:21 actually a bit above warm Jun 01 20:29:53 ... are you runnih nbench? Jun 01 20:30:00 i was Jun 01 20:30:03 now its stopped Jun 01 20:30:11 i closed x terminal Jun 01 20:30:32 well it would make it warm :) Jun 01 20:30:44 hmm okay Jun 01 20:30:50 ~'s usually warm here too Jun 01 20:33:43 hey any way to clean the screen of N900 , to leave no marks Jun 01 20:33:47 like the finger marks Jun 01 20:34:52 scrub it with a t-shirt Jun 01 20:35:04 lol it will cause a scratch Jun 01 20:35:07 i worry Jun 01 20:35:27 this 3M microfibre cloth I bought along with Vikuiti screen protector is amazing Jun 01 20:35:50 hmm the screen protector is not yet available in my country Jun 01 20:35:59 the nokia cloth mostly spreads it out, the 3M cloth needs like 2 swipes to lift it off Jun 01 20:36:17 oh Jun 01 20:36:25 I ordered it from Germany, I didn't like any of the protectors available in my country Jun 01 20:36:29 is chromium browser fast ? Jun 01 20:36:39 or opera Jun 01 20:36:43 or the normal firefox Jun 01 20:41:02 hi all, anyone noticed problems with Salut / Bonjour account unable to connect in PR 1.2? Jun 01 20:41:30 Saviq: I can't even install it properly :/ Jun 01 20:41:50 well, I couldn't wait and reflashed, so... Jun 01 20:42:01 had to use windows, mind you Jun 01 20:42:05 flasher had some problems Jun 01 20:42:53 Seems there's a problem with avahi-daemon Jun 01 20:49:27 right - the avahi daemons don't start Jun 01 20:53:00 is it quit hour? Jun 01 20:57:04 [MohammadAG]: I just installed Virtualbox, so my network connections were reset :P Jun 01 20:57:26 lame excuse Jun 01 20:58:34 * Ikarus smiles @ the hacked Motorola Milestone nearly booting Maemo already Jun 01 20:58:54 scary people Jun 01 20:59:01 Stskeeps: heh Jun 01 20:59:06 screenshot? Jun 01 20:59:09 Ikarus: too bad you can never distribute it? Jun 01 20:59:15 luke-jr: sure we can Jun 01 20:59:15 that too Jun 01 20:59:20 Ikarus: nope Jun 01 20:59:20 just not binary parts from Nokia Jun 01 20:59:28 that's what makes it Maemo Jun 01 20:59:33 luke-jr: most of Maemo is open Jun 01 20:59:37 no it's not Jun 01 20:59:39 43% Jun 01 20:59:39 most of Maemo is closed Jun 01 20:59:39 :P Jun 01 20:59:42 sufficient to make it interesting :) Jun 01 21:00:09 Maemo is "open" like Mac OS X is "open" Jun 01 21:00:13 luke-jr: more so Jun 01 21:00:24 not significantly Jun 01 21:00:50 the hack is pretty damned silly though Jun 01 21:00:58 they are using RSA checks in the TI bootloader Jun 01 21:01:04 but forgot to disable module loading Jun 01 21:01:13 use your time on porting meego instead, tbh :) Jun 01 21:01:14 so a friend of mine just hacked up a kexec for it Jun 01 21:01:27 kexec supports being a module? O.o Jun 01 21:01:50 luke-jr: with some creativity, yes :) Jun 01 21:02:01 Ikarus: should make one for Diablo ;) Jun 01 21:02:13 luke-jr: why ? Jun 01 21:02:18 * noobmonk3y grumbles Jun 01 21:02:36 Ikarus: cleaner bootmenu+kexec :p Jun 01 21:02:47 luke-jr: aah, k, well, it should be easy Jun 01 21:02:58 Can someone clever explain something to me please, why does riverbankcomputing.... do all of its example codes in C++ when they are describing PyQT? !?!?! Aghhhhhhhhhhhh! Jun 01 21:02:59 luke-jr: he tested kexec on the N900 Jun 01 21:03:03 (same platform and all that) Jun 01 21:03:08 Ikarus: Diablo is 2.6.21, before ARM kexec worked Jun 01 21:03:17 so this would be a backport+modularize Jun 01 21:03:20 hax0rs Jun 01 21:03:30 at least say hi when you enter you old grump Jun 01 21:03:34 * noobmonk3y farts Jun 01 21:03:38 (@ noobmonk3y btw) Jun 01 21:03:39 * noobmonk3y throws frals at MohammadAG Jun 01 21:03:42 lol mo Jun 01 21:03:46 evening alls! Jun 01 21:03:57 too late Jun 01 21:04:03 * noobmonk3y giggles Jun 01 21:04:06 oi noobmonk3y Jun 01 21:04:07 * noobmonk3y grumbles again Jun 01 21:04:12 hows the hols? Jun 01 21:04:18 hols was great back at work now :( Jun 01 21:04:25 ah Jun 01 21:04:33 did a 70 lap go-karting thing though, was great! Jun 01 21:04:42 body was a bit dead after that though :P Jun 01 21:04:45 should be lucky you have a work, am still bumming :D Jun 01 21:04:48 hehe, cool Jun 01 21:04:48 holes? Jun 01 21:04:49 lol! Jun 01 21:04:52 oh, hols Jun 01 21:04:57 idk what that is Jun 01 21:05:06 holiday Jun 01 21:05:14 Haze now officially dead =( Jun 01 21:05:26 * noobmonk3y is trying to figure out Qtmultimedia in python - no examples anywhere :( Jun 01 21:05:31 oh... Jun 01 21:05:42 ok, no obvious ones that work, other than c++ :( Jun 01 21:05:45 noobmonk3y, make your own examples Jun 01 21:05:50 now that's QHardCore Jun 01 21:05:50 luke-jr: well, I can't actually test it, given I lack a N8[10]0 Jun 01 21:05:50 none of the version downgrades work Jun 01 21:05:55 MohammadAG, i would if i was clever, i'm not :( Jun 01 21:05:56 luke-jr: but it should be easy Jun 01 21:05:56 c++ to python is pretty easy Jun 01 21:05:58 lol Jun 01 21:05:59 RST38h, worksforme Jun 01 21:06:04 (usually) Jun 01 21:06:05 frals, if you know c++? Jun 01 21:06:16 MohammadAG: Care to tell me package versions? Jun 01 21:06:17 i dunno much c++ but i usually manage :D Jun 01 21:06:25 he doesn't know C++ Jun 01 21:06:30 lies Jun 01 21:06:40 i know none :| and it scares me, kinda like... waking up next to MohammadAG every morning, that kinda scary Jun 01 21:06:47 MohammadAG: (and that is ICQ, right?) Jun 01 21:07:01 Haze is ICQ? Jun 01 21:07:01 wouldnt know anything bout waking up next to him lol Jun 01 21:07:06 and who uses ICQ Jun 01 21:07:21 noobmonk3y, lolwtf Jun 01 21:07:24 ok, you are not using haze then Jun 01 21:07:43 last time I woke up with someone next time was when my cat opened the door Jun 01 21:08:01 was a bit creepy Jun 01 21:08:06 RST38h, I use MSN, and that's Haze too Jun 01 21:08:09 Hey, when that rollercoaster game comes to OVI? Jun 01 21:08:12 oh Jun 01 21:08:16 ||/ Name Version Description Jun 01 21:08:16 +++-=============================================-=============================================-========================================================================================================== Jun 01 21:08:16 ii account-plugin-haze 0.8 AIM, Facebook, GaduGadu, Groupwise, ICQ, MSN, QQ, Sametime & Yahoo Jun 01 21:08:25 Soon Jun 01 21:08:31 k Jun 01 21:08:36 ok, what about telepathy-haze, libpruple0 ? Jun 01 21:08:43 :) Jun 01 21:09:14 ii libpurple0 2.6.6-1nix0 ii telepathy-haze 0.3.3-1maemo0 Jun 01 21:09:19 iPeter-, i wish i knew Jun 01 21:10:05 Mohammad: purple-extra-protocols? Jun 01 21:11:21 * noobmonk3y realises lcuk is not here, omfg...... has the world caved in and armageddon is on it's way?!?! oh he's on holiday lols Jun 01 21:12:09 ii purple-extra-protocols 2.6.6-1nix0 RST38h Jun 01 21:12:25 noobmonk3y, he ran out of bacon Jun 01 21:12:32 Mhm Jun 01 21:12:54 Ok. I have got 2.6.3 for those, icq won't work otherwise Jun 01 21:14:20 Hmm, Skype plogin is broken too now Jun 01 21:14:24 Ikarus: wanna join forces? I'm planning on doing the same once I get my Motorola Motoroi :) Jun 01 21:15:04 In a weird way too: when you send a chat message from another machine via skype, N900 will indicate reception of your message but fail to open the message log Jun 01 21:15:28 Why extras-devel doesnt work? Jun 01 21:16:37 smoku: mine is more a show of possibilities Jun 01 21:16:37 iPeter-, you need to be more specific Jun 01 21:16:47 not really a serious goal of making all of Maemo run on it Jun 01 21:17:09 Really like the Nokia Qt SDK .. Jun 01 21:17:38 noobmonk3y: I get an error in app manager when trying to refresh repos, it gives an error of extras-devel repo Jun 01 21:17:41 Ikarus: oh. are you going to share it? Jun 01 21:17:52 a'ok somehow fixed icq Jun 01 21:17:56 smoku: ofcourse Jun 01 21:21:53 iPeter-, can you message me the error - 90% of cases is a spelling mistake fremantle not Freemantle Jun 01 21:22:02 other then that - could just be in a bad mood Jun 01 21:23:39 Ikarus: could you drop me an email at tomek@xiaoka.com then? Jun 01 21:25:31 smoku: if I ever get it working yes Jun 01 21:25:47 (more then just launching Xomap on sort of Maemo) Jun 01 21:27:36 Ikarus: even that could kickstart my work :) Jun 01 21:27:52 .. xomap? Jun 01 21:27:57 diablo or fremantle Jun 01 21:28:30 Stskeeps: yeah,sorry, mixed up the two :) Jun 01 21:28:59 Stskeeps: the omap3 driver of xorg Jun 01 21:39:59 noobmonk3y: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle-1.2/free/binary-armelPackagers 404 Not Found [IP: 82.96.58.33 80] Jun 01 21:40:57 devel doesn't have a 1.2 repo Jun 01 21:41:09 ahha! new ovi updates! Jun 01 21:41:10 change the distribution from fremantle-1.2 to fremantle Jun 01 21:41:12 Ok, disabled it. Jun 01 21:41:25 ok Jun 01 21:42:07 pigeon: What are you talking bout? Jun 01 21:43:31 angrybirds paid level pack is out for instance... Jun 01 21:43:41 yay! Jun 01 21:43:45 pigeon: I cant see it on ovistore?!?! Jun 01 21:43:46 * odin_ rushes off to OviStore Jun 01 21:44:25 i haven't tried yet actually, i just read it on a few news site in my rss Jun 01 21:44:45 http://maemoarena.com/2010/06/ovi-store-updated-for-nokia-n900-angry-birds-level-pack-1-available-now/ for example Jun 01 21:45:04 or http://thenokiablog.com/2010/06/01/paid-apps-nokia-n900-ovi-store/ Jun 01 21:45:08 iPeter-, Jun 01 21:45:13 go to Games and hit new Jun 01 21:45:28 it doesn't appear in top free, for obvious reasons Jun 01 21:45:30 :) Jun 01 21:45:35 heh Jun 01 21:45:59 finally i can spend some money! :) Jun 01 21:46:00 wow (: Jun 01 21:46:05 Still waiting rollercoaster game Jun 01 21:46:12 iPeter-: ditto Jun 01 21:46:20 and that kroll game too Jun 01 21:46:53 also that 3d baseball game Jun 01 21:47:58 Icedtea6 - Is this java or what, err -.- Jun 01 21:48:14 Does it enable java on browser or what :D Jun 01 21:48:33 It doesn't enable Java in the browser, no Jun 01 21:48:37 don't think so. Jun 01 21:48:44 Fuu, okay. Jun 01 21:48:52 I wouldn't hold my breath for java in microb Jun 01 21:48:57 It enables you to run Java apps on your phone Jun 01 21:49:09 No, I wouldn't either Jun 01 21:49:23 Okay, good to know (: Jun 01 21:49:24 technically it's possible though i think Jun 01 21:49:33 (Does anyone use applets any more?) Jun 01 21:50:05 and the icedtea6 package actually has a /opt/icedtea6/jre/bin/pluginappletviewer too Jun 01 21:50:08 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/an-droid-theme/ - I was thinking how this guy got that GPRS and wifi icons on desktop? Jun 01 21:51:19 Quick general question: Any interest in seismic processing software for n900? Kind of a niche, but I was thinking of porting Seismic Unix (i.e. figuring out what it needs and compiling; no real code changes) Jun 01 21:52:14 iPeter: I think that's QuickConnect (or a similar name) Jun 01 21:52:39 djdm: Okay, trying it, thanks (: Jun 01 21:53:37 speaking of which, i saw some people having a reboot button at the popup status menu, anyone knows what it is? Jun 01 21:54:11 pigeon, it is a button that reboots your phone lol Jun 01 21:54:40 yeah... i mean where does that come from? Jun 01 21:54:52 * Arkenoi wants 1.1.1 back :-( Jun 01 21:54:55 * tybollt holds mohammads breath for him Jun 01 21:55:02 Arkenoi: You do not. Jun 01 21:55:03 its a mod :) - do a proper search in the huuuuge mod post for 'reboot' Jun 01 21:55:17 Arkenoi: how dare you! a lot of nokians worked hard to get PR1.2 up and running... Jun 01 21:55:57 tybolitt, because of compatibility issues, that's it. if i could resolve it, i really want 1.1.1 back, it is much more stable and i do not really use any new features Jun 01 21:56:25 noobmonk3y: thanks Jun 01 21:56:46 :) good luck :) - did take me a little while to find it :) Jun 01 21:57:39 it should be in the repository damn it! :) Jun 01 21:58:57 LOL Jun 01 21:59:02 Now i need help :d Jun 01 21:59:36 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVOw-rRBH3s&feature=related - On a 1minute 40sec this guy has COOL animation, where to get it? :D Jun 01 22:01:14 it's the desktop? Jun 01 22:01:35 brik: When he goes to menu Jun 01 22:01:46 icons "blops", its cool! Jun 01 22:01:59 oh, hmm Jun 01 22:03:00 That can be done with transitions control Jun 01 22:03:01 what time? Jun 01 22:03:08 oh, interesting Jun 01 22:03:21 1.43ish w00t_ Jun 01 22:04:09 yeah, transitions stuff Jun 01 22:04:16 http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=3&ved=0CCgQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.maemo.org%2FCustomizing_Maemo&ei=r4MFTLldgvzTBO2UkcwD&usg=AFQjCNHBY_4UmntcDzR94fA-ckDqfTi-dA&sig2=eJa52MtS7kobXCfPdTDBJw Jun 01 22:04:18 err Jun 01 22:04:19 no Jun 01 22:04:21 which reminds me, i should play with mine again Jun 01 22:04:29 wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo Jun 01 22:05:37 this looks like effort Jun 01 22:06:19 djdm: Cant find quickconnect Jun 01 22:06:36 there is a transitionscontrol app in extras-devel I think Jun 01 22:06:57 SpeedEvil: yeah, except it seems the packaging for that is screwed Jun 01 22:07:01 * w00t_ just tried to install it Jun 01 22:07:07 Package python2.5-xml is a virtual package provided by: Jun 01 22:07:07 python-xml 0.8.4-10.1maemo4 Jun 01 22:07:08 SpeedEvil: can you put that link as a ~ by any chance? Jun 01 22:07:10 I tried too, cant install it -.- Jun 01 22:07:13 * w00t_ wonders what the hell happened there Jun 01 22:08:01 anyone tried wormux? it just seems to crash whenever I try start a game Jun 01 22:08:45 How do i install thast Transition Control thing? got same error as w00t_ Jun 01 22:08:58 * GAN900 doesn't get the mwkn/SSU visability thread. Jun 01 22:09:11 GAN900: ML? Jun 01 22:10:02 SpeedEvil: And then i would know what app is that to show uptime etc on desktop like in that vid i linked.. Jun 01 22:10:11 iPeter-: go to a terminal, apt-get install python-xml transitioncontrol Jun 01 22:10:21 that's what i've done anyway, don't know if it works yet Jun 01 22:10:39 * w00t_ will soon find out Jun 01 22:11:14 iPeter: It's ConnectNow, not QuickConnect... blame my memory :) Jun 01 22:11:36 djdm: Okay, ill try. Thanks! (: Jun 01 22:11:50 w00t_, community forumon Talk. Jun 01 22:11:53 w00t_: Installing (: Jun 01 22:12:10 GAN900: don't make me go on there :-( Jun 01 22:14:16 i have no wget on my n900! :( Jun 01 22:14:18 w00t_: Where i can find this app? is it under settigns oor? :E Jun 01 22:14:24 no clue, yet Jun 01 22:14:27 zlimvos_: install it Jun 01 22:14:56 w00t_, you don't need to read it Jun 01 22:15:17 ah yes it was easier to install than i expected Jun 01 22:15:36 w00t_, just somehow they expect us to turn the Tableteer link that Nokia ships on OS2008 into a link to mwnk.net overnight. Jun 01 22:17:17 who's "they"? Jun 01 22:17:49 w00t_, some people on Talk. Jun 01 22:17:52 love how someone went mental on sjgadsby for not putting spaces between dots in a snip "..." Jun 01 22:18:04 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=694574 Jun 01 22:18:13 frals, silvermountain Jun 01 22:19:06 frals, he's the guy that refused to remove the "quote" from his signature the he said proved I, and thus maemo.org, hated users and wasn't interested in their input. Jun 01 22:19:24 doesnt everyone hate users? :\ Jun 01 22:19:32 Based on something I said and he grossly misinterpreted from Kathyms Bugzilla thread. Jun 01 22:19:36 Well, that. :P Jun 01 22:19:46 He's a pretty low sort of troll. Jun 01 22:20:07 a lot of the people in that thread are names that I recognise as being rather odd in the opinions they hold Jun 01 22:20:17 (and my recognising names is either a really good or a really bad thing usually) Jun 01 22:21:22 * frals slaps w00t_ back to hacking HIM plugins Jun 01 22:21:24 w00t_: Got anything? Jun 01 22:22:06 frals: I gave up and ran in terror for the time being. I have a working portrait/landscape keyboard, without T9, but the buildsystem for it and the code involved with it makes me unsure I want to go back to it Jun 01 22:22:12 iPeter-: working on it still, hold on Jun 01 22:22:29 the package has some other requirements that aren't installed automatically for some reason it seems, so working around that Jun 01 22:22:41 + noobmonk3y is bugging me :( Jun 01 22:22:50 * noobmonk3y farts Jun 01 22:22:58 throw him a frals Jun 01 22:23:00 w00t_: awesome, put the code somewhere! ;) Jun 01 22:23:03 * noobmonk3y eats frals Jun 01 22:23:17 w00t_: Okay, tell to me if you got sumthing Jun 01 22:23:24 frals: true.. it's publically available, but i'll push it to gitorious, since it did take a fair bit of effort for me to find it Jun 01 22:23:27 lol w00t_ in demand tonight? ;) Jun 01 22:23:35 woho \o/ http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fmms/c/ui/ plenty of translations already! Jun 01 22:24:00 noobmonk3y: yeah, hold a momentplease Jun 01 22:24:02 ooh nice Jun 01 22:24:09 frals, can i translate it into cockney and pirate english? lol Jun 01 22:24:09 frals, I'll throw that at someone Jun 01 22:24:13 he likes to translate Jun 01 22:24:17 LOL noobmonk3y please Jun 01 22:24:25 * noobmonk3y grins Jun 01 22:24:38 arrrg Jun 01 22:24:42 has -anyone- successfully used transitioncontrol? I seem to have everything installed now, but running it ..doesn't work Jun 01 22:24:53 w00t_, worksforme Jun 01 22:25:03 how the f do you launch it? Jun 01 22:25:18 run-standalone.sh transitioncontrol doesn't work, it's inside the gtk event loop but I see nothing Jun 01 22:25:22 transitioncontrol Jun 01 22:25:24 as root Jun 01 22:25:30 tried that too, same result Jun 01 22:25:43 well I have most python packages installed Jun 01 22:25:54 so do I, now Jun 01 22:26:00 :D Jun 01 22:26:01 python-osso python-hildon python-xml Jun 01 22:26:22 w00t_: the old him plugin compiled without problems? Jun 01 22:26:35 frals: mm. I honestly don't know its history Jun 01 22:26:36 :-) Jun 01 22:26:40 w00t_, knock yourself out http://pastebin.com/mitL0Gi6 Jun 01 22:26:44 it may have been hacked up Jun 01 22:26:55 MohammadAG: dear god Jun 01 22:26:56 ingored the un stuff, cba to remove it :) Jun 01 22:27:01 -d Jun 01 22:27:16 let me rephrase, the code anidel linked compiled and worked without problems? :) Jun 01 22:27:27 python-numpy lol Jun 01 22:27:31 frals do i just edit the pot file, save it and upload it? Jun 01 22:27:34 frals: hmm. no, it wasn't that Jun 01 22:27:52 someone else gave me a hint which lead me to some code Stskeeps pointed me to, I can't remember the "someone else" right now Jun 01 22:27:54 noobmonk3y, no Jun 01 22:27:57 hold on anyway Jun 01 22:27:57 noobmonk3y: yeah pretty much Jun 01 22:28:00 yay Jun 01 22:28:01 i'll push it to gitorious now Jun 01 22:28:01 you change it to en_PIRATE.po Jun 01 22:28:03 i listen to frals Jun 01 22:28:03 w00t_: alright Jun 01 22:28:09 lol Jun 01 22:28:09 w00t_: cheers Jun 01 22:28:20 frals: if you want to hack on this too, then maybe i'll find motivation to try. :P Jun 01 22:28:27 oh so frals compiles it a .mo Jun 01 22:28:36 *sniff* I have a filename extension named after me Jun 01 22:28:42 w00t_: im interested in it ;) Jun 01 22:29:32 frals: you got a gitorious user? Jun 01 22:30:53 alright! angrybirds new level here i come... Jun 01 22:31:08 WTF: "By breaking this seal of this software packaet, you accept the terms and conditions of the End-User License Agreement and/or the GNU General Public License included with this product." Jun 01 22:31:19 * SpeedEvil makes a squaking noide. Jun 01 22:31:23 On the CD case in the back of a Chinese for Dummies book. Jun 01 22:31:27 GAN900: methinks some lawyers have no idea what the GPL *is* Jun 01 22:31:29 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVOw-rRBH3s&feature=related - Any1 know what systeminfo widget is used on 1min 40sec? Jun 01 22:31:32 hehe Jun 01 22:31:40 * SpeedEvil takes GPL Jun 01 22:31:42 frals: don't leave me now :< Jun 01 22:32:02 iPeter-: are you still meaning the transition? Jun 01 22:32:55 SpeedEvil: No, not this time. On that desktop there is Bootcount, uptime etc stuff. Id like to know what app it is Jun 01 22:33:16 w00t_, indeed. Jun 01 22:33:32 ~botsnack Jun 01 22:33:32 DocScrutinizer51: thanks Jun 01 22:34:46 ah Jun 01 22:34:55 hmm Jun 01 22:34:55 conboy? Jun 01 22:34:57 ~rage Jun 01 22:34:58 rumour has it, rage is a warrior's infinite mana bar. Jun 01 22:35:00 err - no Jun 01 22:35:06 iPeter-: Enable all repos. Jun 01 22:35:14 Scroll down the list of desktop stuff Jun 01 22:35:31 err -.- Jun 01 22:35:34 GAN900: On my previous phone (Nokia 5310 from Rogers Canada), the bundled MP3 player application required me to "waive my right to trial by jury" before it would open. Jun 01 22:36:33 ýeah Jun 01 22:36:39 there's so much bullshit Jun 01 22:36:41 fuck Jun 01 22:36:47 that agravates me to no end Jun 01 22:37:44 I'm not even clear what situation they're imagining where I'd need a trial by jury for listening to music on my phone... presumably music piracy or something like that. But I can't quite imagine that would hold up in any court... Jun 01 22:37:59 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 Jun 01 22:38:01 Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. Jun 01 22:38:03 somewhat broken Jun 01 22:38:42 SpeedEvil: Cant find it.. :( Jun 01 22:39:06 iPeter-: sorry - can't view it at the moment - my net is going at a few K a second Jun 01 22:39:49 Okay Jun 01 22:39:50 brendans, LOL I wouldn't use that player! Jun 01 22:40:11 What is maemo-org 1.2-11 in appmanager at "desktop"? Jun 01 22:40:32 w00t_: yes, frals :) Jun 01 22:40:44 iPeter-: it's a theme Jun 01 22:40:53 Okay. Jun 01 22:41:10 frals: added to the project, full permissions, so go nuts Jun 01 22:41:10 :P Jun 01 22:41:19 oooh, ty ;) Jun 01 22:41:27 will take a look at it tomorrow i think Jun 01 22:41:30 sure Jun 01 22:41:36 hit me up when you're ready and we can have a chat about it Jun 01 22:41:38 w00t_: Still working with those cool effects? Jun 01 22:41:44 Dantonic: Yeah, I tend to agree. Jun 01 22:41:48 iPeter-: no, I gave up as I can't get transitioncontrol to agree with me Jun 01 22:41:56 hmm Jun 01 22:41:57 iPeter-: but, google for 'maemo transitions.ini' or something like that Jun 01 22:42:03 can you link me the project? :) Jun 01 22:42:04 and you should get some results to play with Jun 01 22:42:05 SpeedEvil: did you mean pipboy? :) Jun 01 22:42:10 SpeedEvil, povbot`: Thanks for the link :) Jun 01 22:42:14 ah nvm found it now Jun 01 22:42:16 frals: oh, oops: http://gitorious.org/hildon-portrait-keyboard/ Jun 01 22:42:42 * satmd recognizes w00t_ and sees everything is good Jun 01 22:42:54 morn satmd ;) Jun 01 22:42:58 hi ;) Jun 01 22:43:07 how's stuff? Jun 01 22:43:19 almost fine Jun 01 22:43:30 lot of changes in RL lately Jun 01 22:43:37 but almost everything to the better Jun 01 22:43:54 * satmd fell in love :) Jun 01 22:45:02 'bout irc things... doing the big upgrade finally... just waiting for one guy to configure the new setup, restart the daemons Jun 01 22:45:21 how about yourself? Jun 01 22:45:54 Hi all Jun 01 22:45:57 b-man|laptop, I almost found the problem in the logs, had to search for bonehead Jun 01 22:46:11 lol Jun 01 22:46:23 OR SOME BONEHEAD (YOU) IS CHECKING A MOUNTED (LIVE) FILESYSTEM.<-- this Jun 01 22:46:36 Is there some1 who is using QTCreator with N900 (PR1.2) ? Jun 01 22:46:37 O_o Jun 01 22:46:52 lol Jun 01 22:46:53 ... Jun 01 22:46:54 Stskeeps: what I said about gpsdriver and disk full... ignore it Jun 01 22:46:54 hahaha Jun 01 22:46:57 new working theory: Jun 01 22:47:03 MohammadAG: I know why I never got transitioncontrol working Jun 01 22:47:08 gpsdriver doesn't work inside a semi-tornado thunderstorm Jun 01 22:47:08 MohammadAG: I was ssh'd to brik's phone Jun 01 22:47:23 w00t_, I ran it via ssh :) Jun 01 22:47:31 MohammadAG: her phone != my phone Jun 01 22:47:38 MohammadAG: was that it?? O_o Jun 01 22:47:46 oi, stop hacking my phone Jun 01 22:47:54 w00t_, lol, my bad Jun 01 22:47:56 brik: hehe Jun 01 22:48:12 b-man|laptop, my paste expired x.x Jun 01 22:48:19 lols Jun 01 22:48:20 X_x Jun 01 22:48:24 idk why I still set a 10 minute limit on those Jun 01 22:48:27 does that mean it should work for me now? Jun 01 22:48:58 lol Jun 01 22:50:39 hmm, do you guys think this is worth porting to maemo? http://golang.org/ - it's like python, but it compiles to native linux elf binaries Jun 01 22:50:48 b-man|laptop, anyways I won't go through that again (unpacking packages on a 600MHz CPU), I'm still waiting for MohammadAG: ask me between 7.30 and 13.30 polish time monday-friday :P Jun 01 22:50:55 i've tested it on my N900 and it works :) Jun 01 22:51:19 python looks simpler than that lol Jun 01 22:51:30 well, still xD Jun 01 22:51:45 it's simpler than C/C++ xD Jun 01 22:51:53 b-man|laptop: you can compile Python to native code too IIRC Jun 01 22:51:59 * MohammadAG nods Jun 01 22:52:01 and gtk works with it Jun 01 22:52:08 b-man|laptop: DEFINITELY NOT Jun 01 22:52:08 Why if I create 3 QPushButtons in a QVBoxLayout with QTCreator I have this strange behaviour on target device (N900) while the IDE shows the three buttons correctly ? (see http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3527/screenshotrx.png) Jun 01 22:52:15 b-man|laptop: NOT IF IT ENCOURAGES GTK Jun 01 22:52:17 luke-jr: LOL Jun 01 22:52:28 which reminds me Jun 01 22:52:30 luke-jr: it supports qt too xD Jun 01 22:52:36 I found something which I wanted to compile Jun 01 22:52:39 supports or has bindings for? Jun 01 22:52:50 since that was 6 scratchbox reinstalls ago, I forgot what it was :/ Jun 01 22:52:59 for a language to support Qt, the language needs to have its own widget API and do the Qt translation behind your back Jun 01 22:53:00 luke-jr: and does this python compiler support arm systems> Jun 01 22:53:10 b-man|laptop: no clue, no care Jun 01 22:53:12 any help please? Jun 01 22:53:28 what I do care about is how I'm supposed to sanely reverse engineer a GPS *WHEN THERE'S A TORNADO OUTSIDE* Jun 01 22:53:29 -.- Jun 01 22:53:34 tornado, go away! Jun 01 22:53:40 LOL Jun 01 22:54:01 No I won't Jun 01 22:54:14 keyboard should be pressure sensitive Jun 01 22:54:15 ~nuke tornado Jun 01 22:54:16 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at tornado ... B☢☢M! Jun 01 22:54:20 hey chaps Jun 01 22:54:26 I hit the enter key harder and waited for it to post my reply Jun 01 22:54:27 w00t_: Okay, got it thanks Jun 01 22:54:39 iPeter-: cool Jun 01 22:54:58 hey guys any help? Jun 01 22:55:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVOw-rRBH3s&feature=related - Any1 know what systeminfo widget is used on 1min 40sec? Jun 01 22:55:36 ~lart korhojoa Jun 01 22:55:36 * infobot flings poo at korhojoa Jun 01 22:55:47 embedded: on Maemo, the button size must be exactly 73px, and your arrangement makes them too big Jun 01 22:55:52 embedded: add a spacer to the bottom of your UI Jun 01 22:56:01 embedded: also, consider joining #qt-maemo Jun 01 22:56:09 w00t_: don't give bad advice! Jun 01 22:56:39 is is that more of a Maemo bug? Jun 01 22:56:43 w00t_: so, it's not possible to show three boxes at full screen with Maemo? Jun 01 22:56:44 lol Jun 01 22:56:54 luke-jr: it's not, style guide says 73px Jun 01 22:57:02 w00t_: using px for anything is a bug Jun 01 22:57:25 (well, depends who you ask I guess, I'm saying it's not because was told it was not by the developers, and referred to the style guide) Jun 01 22:57:36 embedded: if by boxes you mean buttons, then yes Jun 01 22:57:50 embedded: it looks like Nokia is ruining Qt :( Jun 01 22:58:08 embedded: unless you draw the button appearance yourself, however you might want to do it Jun 01 22:58:10 it's C++, no more to be done Jun 01 22:58:31 ops, sorry...yep...it's very strange that you cannot create three buttons that cover the entire screen Jun 01 22:58:32 ;) Jun 01 22:58:46 :P Jun 01 22:59:10 embedded: you can't? Jun 01 22:59:29 * lardman hopes he can be bothered to finish his report soon Jun 01 22:59:30 alterego: you can't, because Hildon UI specifications say you can;t Jun 01 22:59:31 *can't Jun 01 22:59:41 Oh Jun 01 22:59:49 alterego: well, I was not able, so I'm asking for help here :) Jun 01 22:59:50 alterego: apparently some idiot at Nokia used a pixmap for buttons Jun 01 23:00:02 luke-jr: ah ... Jun 01 23:00:03 you *can*, it'll just look ugly (unless you draw it yourself) Jun 01 23:00:05 luke-jr: bingo Jun 01 23:00:30 That's pretty horrific, I think it's because they get the pixmap from Gtk .. Jun 01 23:00:31 luke-jr: this is also the reason that listview rows with a size that doesn't match the Hildon UI guide are slow as shit to render Jun 01 23:00:33 For styling .. Jun 01 23:00:41 w00t_: mhh...let me check just a thing... Jun 01 23:00:45 luke-jr: as they involve a scale Jun 01 23:01:06 anyhow, back to GPS Jun 01 23:01:17 cgps says the sats are visible Jun 01 23:01:19 but no fix Jun 01 23:01:35 depends on the signal quality Jun 01 23:01:46 lardman: thunderstorm + half tornado Jun 01 23:01:50 and how long you wait to get the complete almanac + ephemerides Jun 01 23:02:05 ah, perhaps not great then Jun 01 23:02:06 I get a fix every 10 mintues or so I think Jun 01 23:02:13 i wonder what MeeGo would be like if Luke-jr was in charge of that project xD Jun 01 23:02:21 the NMEA data should tell you the signal strength iirc Jun 01 23:02:22 b-man|laptop: very different Jun 01 23:02:33 b-man|laptop: probably empty, as he'd have scared everyone away :-P Jun 01 23:02:38 lardman: which line? Jun 01 23:02:46 luke-jr: no assistance data? Jun 01 23:02:49 rofl Jun 01 23:02:55 lardman: of course not Jun 01 23:03:03 luke-jr: hmm, GPGSV perhaps, can't really remember, been a long time Jun 01 23:03:06 lardman: but it should have plenty of ephemerides by now Jun 01 23:03:19 $GPGSV,4,1,13,06,38,058,21,03,49,071,20,23,37,173,27,13,61,193,33*7C Jun 01 23:03:20 $GPGSV,4,2,13,16,10,057,,07,61,319,26,19,53,120,29,25,26,057,*71 Jun 01 23:03:22 luke-jr: depends on the signal quality again Jun 01 23:03:22 $GPGSV,4,3,13,10,14,288,22,05,06,317,,08,26,299,19,28,15,245,20*75 Jun 01 23:03:23 $GPGSV,4,4,13,24,03,055,*4E Jun 01 23:03:31 hang on let me check Jun 01 23:04:27 luke-jr: are you in a good signal area? Jun 01 23:04:38 yeah GSV should do it, but the SNR value is chipset specific, so you;d have to work out what the limits are ;) Jun 01 23:04:39 SpeedEvil: other than the thunderstorm and tornado, I guess so Jun 01 23:05:09 http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm#GSV Jun 01 23:05:51 luke-jr: unfortunately i may be getting what you are getting in a few days Jun 01 23:06:01 ime you need a few >32 snr continously for a couple od minutes and it works well Jun 01 23:06:55 b-man|laptop: how? it's all getting dropped on me... Jun 01 23:08:50 luke-jr: i've had such a hot/humid week that i wouldn't be surprised if there is enough energy to have those storms re develop when they arrive in my region Jun 01 23:08:54 w00t_ : where can I find the QT (not GTK) Style Guide for Hildon? Jun 01 23:10:38 * b-man|laptop already had several tornadoes this past month Jun 01 23:14:33 heh. i thought land of the lost was going to be a serious movie but it was a comedy Jun 01 23:14:45 * Macer remembers the tv show Jun 01 23:16:15 embedded: Qt follows the same guidelines Jun 01 23:16:16 Noone cant help me to find that app? :( Jun 01 23:18:23 what app Jun 01 23:18:27 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVOw-rRBH3s&feature=related - Any1 know what systeminfo widget is used on 1min 40sec? Jun 01 23:25:13 Has anybody been in touch jonnylamb for fixing haze? Jun 01 23:27:04 w00t_: I did boot my phone and now i got transition control icon Jun 01 23:28:18 yes I also noticed that Jun 01 23:28:35 hawai`i, I'm assuming that was you (you know what I'm talking about) Jun 01 23:28:36 Still i cant launch it, crashes. Jun 01 23:28:37 bed time, night all Jun 01 23:29:01 MohammadAG, yes. It was me. Jun 01 23:31:13 damn the internet is sooo slow through JoikuSpot on the N900 Jun 01 23:31:25 it was a lot faster on my E72 with the same sim card Jun 01 23:31:27 very odd Jun 01 23:32:05 Wrong UMTS banding? Jun 01 23:32:36 no idea, but i mean like this slow: http://www.speedtest.net/result/833403558.png Jun 01 23:32:51 used to get between 1.5-2.0 on the E72 Jun 01 23:33:08 I assume you're with AT&T? Jun 01 23:33:27 yes Jun 01 23:33:52 Well that would be because the E72 most like has the 850 UMTS/HSPA frequency Jun 01 23:33:59 While the N900, does not. Jun 01 23:34:24 so the internet is much slower on a newer phone? Jun 01 23:34:30 you're on EDGE Jun 01 23:34:32 and not 3G Jun 01 23:34:37 What he said. Jun 01 23:34:37 is there any way to make it faster through hacks or something? Jun 01 23:34:41 no Jun 01 23:34:44 No. It's a hardware limitation. Jun 01 23:34:48 The radio only supports GSM on AT&T. Jun 01 23:34:53 you could switch to T-Mobile Jun 01 23:34:53 hrm why would i not be on 3G lol Jun 01 23:35:11 microlith: yea i might have my boss get me a t-mobile sim Jun 01 23:35:13 Because AT&T rus on 850/1900 3G Jun 01 23:35:16 if that would be faster Jun 01 23:35:18 and the N900 does not support it. Jun 01 23:35:19 but this is dead slow Jun 01 23:35:22 you'd actually be on 3G Jun 01 23:35:59 that so blows Jun 01 23:36:13 why would they make the N900 not support AT&T lol Jun 01 23:36:28 Because the world is bigger than whatever state you live in. Jun 01 23:36:30 I don't think there were any 5-band chips when it was designed Jun 01 23:36:42 and yeah, Nokia's presence in the US is limited Jun 01 23:36:53 i live just outside of Boston, damn them guys :)( Jun 01 23:36:59 gonna have to have a chat with my boss lol Jun 01 23:37:28 yea i'm hoping the US presence is brought up quite a bit, I know they are working on some stuff to make that happen Jun 01 23:38:05 guess I will have to use my E72 when I want to watch TV shows online, this is WAY too slow for that :) Jun 01 23:38:18 had i known i would have brought it home from work tonight Jun 01 23:41:17 time to read up on Maemo development Jun 01 23:45:51 Woo, new phone bug. Jun 01 23:46:23 GAN900: Do monkeys fly out of the earpiece? Jun 01 23:47:20 f Jun 01 23:50:23 GAN900: how long does it take for a garage project to pass by x-fade's scrutinizing eyes? (or is it even X-Fade ?) Jun 01 23:53:00 why are you using bigbrovar_? nick while there is bigbrovar nick available? Jun 01 23:53:12 hey how do i get x11vnc work on my N900? Jun 01 23:53:19 is that _-char symbolizing something? Jun 01 23:53:25 iPeter-, you run x11vnc and it works. Jun 01 23:53:29 i cant connect, im connecting from windows 7, using realvnc viewer Jun 01 23:53:37 Rabidus, it may symbolize that he is away. Jun 01 23:53:58 that was 90's ? ;) Jun 01 23:54:12 Some are still stuck there :D Jun 01 23:54:35 just wondering... Jun 01 23:54:54 if we are @ 90's we don't just leave our nick Jun 01 23:55:06 like he does.. something doesn't match Jun 01 23:55:12 Rabidus: the ways of some irc clients as mysteriously winding Jun 01 23:55:17 ;) Jun 01 23:55:37 I also have an inkling that he enjoys the company of men. Jun 01 23:55:38 yeah.. and wtf. what do i care? Jun 01 23:55:41 So who knows what else he is into. Jun 01 23:55:48 some have a primary nick, and a second and third, by adding _ Jun 01 23:55:56 it will more or less stupidly rotate them Jun 01 23:56:00 that _ char might show how long his penis is right now Jun 01 23:56:03 hawai`i: i put to terminal "x11vnc -display :0" then in realvnc im trying: :0, wont connect. Jun 01 23:56:21 ;) Jun 01 23:57:56 Rabidus: if you get disconnected and your client reconnects before the server spotted the disconnection, your nickname can be "in use" during the initial handshake Jun 01 23:59:38 crashanddie, yeah. that's true if client is too slow to take back that old nickname what he(it) had Jun 02 00:00:08 Rabidus: eh? Jun 02 00:00:13 ? Jun 02 00:00:16 Rabidus: what does client speed have to do with it? Jun 02 00:00:27 with what? :) Jun 02 00:00:35 with taking a nickname back? Jun 02 00:00:38 * GAN900 yawns Jun 02 00:01:06 GAN900: please hold your hand in front of your mouth, I can see what you ate last night. Jun 02 00:01:18 I can smell it. Jun 02 00:01:32 It's delicious. Jun 02 00:01:37 You just wish you had the curry I had. :P Jun 02 00:01:50 there's nothing "in use" @ irc. if client gets disconnected, ok. client knows that he is not connected with server, but server doesn't know that. so client connects again to server and takes alt. nick. so sometime there is two nicks @ server Jun 02 00:02:01 and when that original nick goes out Jun 02 00:02:13 there is some few seconds to take that original nick back Jun 02 00:02:19 sry, i have to go now Jun 02 00:02:19 :( Jun 02 00:02:21 ----> Jun 02 00:02:37 wanker Jun 02 00:02:49 exactly... it *could happen* to have 2 ghost if it's happening real fast Jun 02 00:03:17 yet some client rotate the list, others try them in order, I don't really care Jun 02 00:03:45 I can't believe this is actually being discussed. Jun 02 00:06:47 guys how much slower is Tmobile 3g compared to at&t 3g? Jun 02 00:07:33 I get 150kbytes/s on t-mobile on the sofa. Jun 02 00:07:35 In the UK Jun 02 00:07:41 depends a lot Jun 02 00:07:45 on where you live Jun 02 00:07:58 yes Jun 02 00:08:19 I'm 3km from my nearest tower I think Jun 02 00:09:30 hrm i was just getting 150kb/s on at&t according to Joikuspot but still seems very slow so I am guessing Joiku is not calculating properly Jun 02 00:09:55 check with something locally Jun 02 00:10:07 MohammadAG: people are asking stuff to you here ---> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53888&page=2 Jun 02 00:10:10 download a file with microb, or use speedy Jun 02 00:10:12 wow Jun 02 00:10:19 3g has higher latency than your dsl, and sgnificant "jitter" :) Jun 02 00:10:22 I didn't notice I had this stupid nick till now Jun 02 00:10:22 lol Jun 02 00:11:45 i was getting 1000kbit/s on tmobile this weekend Jun 02 00:12:33 3000ish on sprint "4g" Jun 02 00:13:21 * ShadowJK has gotten 6Mbit/s with his operator on 3g, 9km (!) from cell tower Jun 02 00:14:14 how do you get distance from tower info? Jun 02 00:14:32 ptl, thanks Jun 02 00:14:42 I walk to the fence surrounding it. turn on gps, check how far it is home Jun 02 00:16:03 lcukn900: he waits until he has the signal information on his 5110 show up as 5 exclamation points, then he knows he's "in da house" (aka, next to the tower) Jun 02 00:16:50 shadowjk theres only 1 tower near you? Jun 02 00:17:42 no there's one at about 400m too, and one at about 12-15km in the other direction, but they don't have 3g Jun 02 00:18:01 lcukn900: where I used to live we had 1 tower, about 12km north Jun 02 00:18:54 heh i should look for where towers are. i thought they send details over the air about chosem cell location Jun 02 00:19:28 lcukn900: hrm, I thought that's what supl.google|nokia.com did, was convert the cellid into lat/log Jun 02 00:19:32 oh it's lcukn900 Jun 02 00:19:37 many operators consider celltower locations secret proprietary data Jun 02 00:19:40 haven't seen you around lately :) Jun 02 00:20:48 asj: you know what google did before they had their own phones and gps? Their google maps software for phones would on phones with gps collect CellID and lat/lon data, sending it back to goole Jun 02 00:20:57 ShadowJK: In the UK, there is a web 0.2 site you can look up Jun 02 00:21:17 so google built up a rough idea of where CellIDs are located Jun 02 00:21:19 http://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk/ Jun 02 00:21:21 check that Jun 02 00:21:25 ShadowJK: makes sense really, would be very worthwhile to build maps Jun 02 00:21:27 it's _deeply_ broken Jun 02 00:21:45 does power kernel work for anyone with PR1.2? Jun 02 00:21:49 don't have that here, all there is is incomplete databases by people "wardriving" :) Jun 02 00:21:54 SpeedEvil: You dont have any clue how that "system info" could be done on that vid what i linked? Jun 02 00:21:56 at least it boots here Jun 02 00:22:17 iPeter-: You find the right desktop widget, and install it Jun 02 00:22:32 iPeter-: can you screengrab it - I can't do youtube ATM Jun 02 00:22:48 Oh sorry, didnt remember :E Jun 02 00:23:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVOw-rRBH3s&feature=related - Any1 know what systeminfo widget is used on 1min 40sec? Jun 02 00:23:27 actually its shown on 0min 0sec -> Jun 02 00:25:11 iPeter-: Comment on video asking Jun 02 00:25:20 moh its because im not around i have a week away with family :) Jun 02 00:25:30 but once again i cant sleep Jun 02 00:25:35 SpeedEvil: I did, waiting for reply.. Jun 02 00:26:27 'What "sys info" widget you got on desktop? Cant find any. ' You can't find any system info widgets? Like the ip address and data monitor ones he has? Jun 02 00:27:08 asj: I mean exactly same widget as in that video is Jun 02 00:27:22 looks like a series of widgets to me Jun 02 00:28:06 youtube really has become the myspace for 2010 Jun 02 00:28:29 asj: Well what widgets those would be? Jun 02 00:28:56 wow: We're Sorry...The advertiser you clicked on has requested not to receive any visits from users outside of their market area. Jun 02 00:29:18 isnt that like failvertisement Jun 02 00:29:25 iPeter-: i'm not sure, but if i have to guess, maybe it's that command execution widget? Jun 02 00:29:58 pigeon: I have been thinking it too, prolly it is conky or smthing? Jun 02 00:31:23 opendune is niiiiiiiiiiiice Jun 02 00:31:24 conky can't be a widget yet i think. Jun 02 00:32:02 Hmm, dunno what it is.. Jun 02 00:32:26 but you can definitely do what that video has with command execution widget. Jun 02 00:32:52 check the wiki for command execution widget, it has a huge collection of scripts i think Jun 02 00:32:57 my post-PR1.2 N900 is über-nice, I love it. Jun 02 00:35:37 human thinking/psychology sucks Jun 02 00:35:39 pigeon: It seems to be this Jun 02 00:35:42 does anyone know if there's any extra map i can get for the sygic mobile maps for regions that are not on the ovi store? Jun 02 00:35:53 ptl, you only think it's that way :) Jun 02 00:35:56 MohammadAG: human sucks in general Jun 02 00:36:08 lol Jun 02 00:37:06 MohammadAG: what I think is that way? Jun 02 00:37:16 nevermind Jun 02 00:37:23 lol, ok Jun 02 00:37:34 never get a human to do a machine's job... Jun 02 00:37:36 PR1.2 took back my will to live Jun 02 00:38:21 haha Jun 02 00:38:36 ptl: is that a good thing or a bad thing? Jun 02 00:39:06 how do you remove the MMS connection created by fMMS Jun 02 00:39:26 when I select it, "Delete" is not available Jun 02 00:39:34 walk with a dead chicken around your n900 in counter-clockwise circles Jun 02 00:39:37 heh. that's rough. LiraNuna did it even work for you? Jun 02 00:39:50 i haven't tried it yet. my sister tried to send me an mms and i couldn't get one :/ Jun 02 00:39:55 Macer: make your own judgment :P Jun 02 00:40:21 fMMS didn't work for me Jun 02 00:40:24 crashanddie: what happens if you run clockwise instead? Jun 02 00:40:36 and my N900 keeps conencting to the MMS connection instead of the one I configured Jun 02 00:40:41 ptl: remember 1939? Jun 02 00:40:55 lol Jun 02 00:41:14 ok, counter-clockwise is better Jun 02 00:42:43 it is connecting to your mms connection for internet access? :) Jun 02 00:42:49 that's just messed up Jun 02 00:42:56 there's always reflashing Jun 02 00:42:56 yes Jun 02 00:43:03 I don't feel like losing my data Jun 02 00:43:03 which sucks but i'm sure will get the job done Jun 02 00:43:28 the APN list is somewhere in /etc Jun 02 00:43:41 will just removing the file work? Jun 02 00:44:36 good morning Jun 02 00:45:00 /etc/operator_settings Jun 02 00:45:29 damn that's a long list Jun 02 00:45:51 I'm unsure if that's the right place to edit - there may be a better way Jun 02 00:46:07 but I'd start by backing it up - and nuking your ops mms Jun 02 00:46:14 meh Jun 02 00:46:24 I don't have a win machine to back up Jun 02 00:46:32 and I don't want to lose my contacts Jun 02 00:46:40 umm - what? Jun 02 00:46:53 cp operator_settings operator_settings.bak Jun 02 00:47:03 oooh Jun 02 00:47:06 backing up the FILE Jun 02 00:47:12 I thought you meant the phone Jun 02 00:47:40 phone would work too :P Jun 02 00:48:17 I don't have a win machine to back up and I don't want to lose my contacts Jun 02 00:48:34 win machine? Jun 02 00:48:43 backup won't work on Linux Jun 02 00:48:47 huh? Jun 02 00:48:55 * cehteh uses rsync :) Jun 02 00:49:05 hmm Jun 02 00:50:04 + git to version some important files Jun 02 00:50:44 * luke-jr uses git for his maildir Jun 02 01:03:53 why isn't it possible to remove 3G connections? Jun 02 01:09:38 anyone knows how to emulate behaviour of virtual keyboard buttons with qt4 QPushButtons? (focus changes, when finger slides - similar in opera mobile) Jun 02 01:13:05 LiraNuna: If you mean to force n900 to use 2G. Yes it is possible. Jun 02 01:13:19 no, I got two 3G connections Jun 02 01:13:23 one's called T-mobile Jun 02 01:13:26 other called MMS Jun 02 01:13:36 my phone tries to connect to 'MMS' automatically Jun 02 01:13:53 I don't want the MMS connection and removing fMMS didn't really work Jun 02 01:17:16 slap frals Jun 02 01:17:52 ~slap frals Jun 02 01:17:53 * infobot slaps frals, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Jun 02 01:21:53 LiraNuna, fAPN Jun 02 01:29:09 DocScrutinizer, usually 24-48 hours. Jun 02 01:29:13 and, yes, it's X-Fade. Jun 02 01:29:19 So it depends on his workload. Jun 02 01:29:26 DocScrutinizer, also, ping? Jun 02 01:30:25 ping? Jun 02 01:42:07 Huh, STMicro is gonna make an A9 SoC. Jun 02 02:09:41 ~botsnack Jun 02 02:09:41 DocScrutinizer: thanks Jun 02 02:14:24 is the debian chroot worth the extra effort? Jun 02 02:14:57 dsf, I certainly think it is. Jun 02 02:15:38 dsf, It's worth it just to have a real bash and standard utilities, rather than busybox. Jun 02 02:32:35 yes, it would appear so Jun 02 02:46:30 err, I got real bash on /maemo Jun 02 02:48:34 I also got a set of 'real' tools, just in a separate path which is quite on head of $PATH, so it won't conflict with system boot where both busybox and real tools will cause init to break and device not booting up Jun 02 02:49:18 Ken-Young: did it take >= 15 minutes for your debian-m5-v3d.img.ext2.lzma to extract Jun 02 02:49:46 it's only 300+MB, but this is on an armv7 so, hmm. Jun 02 02:51:19 btw there's even a mandb pkg now, courtesy mohammadAG :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jun 02 02:59:57 2010