**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 02 02:59:57 2010
Jun 02 04:17:11 <CutMeOwnThroat> the time is running out of sync on my N810... and I can re-set it to the correct one with ntpd, but it seems the correction is lost on shutdown
Jun 02 04:18:17 <CutMeOwnThroat> so I guess are there two different clocks like with pc hardware? If so, how does one sync the system time to the internal clock
Jun 02 05:11:27 <RST38h> зштп
Jun 02 05:11:30 <RST38h> ping
Jun 02 05:11:52 <slonopotamus> оПХБЕР
Jun 02 05:11:53 <slonopotamus> :)
Jun 02 05:12:01 <RST38h> EHLO indeed
Jun 02 05:13:28 <derf> Moo.
Jun 02 05:15:44 <slonopotamus> RST38h: http://debian-russian.org/kartinki/misc-pictures/koi8.jpg/image_view_fullscreen hehe
Jun 02 05:19:26 <pjs_> is there a better chan than #maemo to discuss sdk (scratchbox) related issues?
Jun 02 05:20:27 <slonopotamus> pjs_: unlikely
Jun 02 05:23:08 <RST38h> pjs: #maemo is the right place but only few people can help you with that
Jun 02 05:23:13 <RST38h> scratchbox is evil
Jun 02 05:23:41 <RST38h> slono: Yea, somewhat like this
Jun 02 05:23:56 <pjs_> well, this isn't really sb related, im using the sb sdk, it works fine
Jun 02 05:24:18 <pjs_> the problem is related to the state of the xephyr display
Jun 02 05:24:38 <pjs_> i assume that not all software from the 1.2 firmware is installed in the sdk version
Jun 02 05:24:54 <pjs_> but i am missing some stuff that i would expect, like the integrated fb chat
Jun 02 05:25:08 <pjs_> and am now wondering if i do in fact have 1.2 installed in sb
Jun 02 05:25:45 <RST38h> what you see in your xephyr is a simulation, it is not necessarily supposed to look the same
Jun 02 05:26:41 <pjs_> i would expect it to be mostly the same, minus wifi/cell/gps radio stuff
Jun 02 05:26:59 <pjs_> i mean, they are the same packages just built for a different arch
Jun 02 05:28:07 <petteri> if your sb is up-to-date, you should have the right packages
Jun 02 05:28:58 <pjs_> well apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade suggests i am up to date
Jun 02 05:29:16 <pjs_> i was hoping lsb_release -a would tell me that i am on pr1.2 but it does not
Jun 02 05:31:06 <pjs_> anyways, its not like i need anythign that is missing, i was just suspicious when i didn't see the fb or skype protocols in the voip and im accounts control panel
Jun 02 05:31:29 <pjs_> figured i would probe the irc people to see if i am missing something obvious
Jun 02 05:32:50 <pjs_> i have another question, unrelated to what i am working on now, but came across earlier today
Jun 02 05:33:19 <pjs_> is there any way to get the qt-mobility libs/headers into the madde environment?
Jun 02 05:33:36 <pjs_> or do we just wait for a madde that contains them?
Jun 02 05:45:30 <dsf> this debian chroot seems disturbing in some ways, useful in others.
Jun 02 05:53:37 <LiraNuna> I wish Ovi store took PayPal
Jun 02 05:53:51 <LiraNuna> I don't feel like filling all of those details on my phone
Jun 02 05:55:04 <luke-jr> lol
Jun 02 06:00:06 * Flandry_away yawns
Jun 02 06:04:42 <viliny_> wheres the jurassic rollercoaster game ? can't see it in ovi store at all
Jun 02 06:22:29 <LiraNuna> how exactly should I create an account if they tell me to cancel?
Jun 02 06:22:29 <LiraNuna> http://thenokiaguide.com/2010/05/04/n900-nokia-messaging-bug-fixed-and-how-to-properly-set-it-up/
Jun 02 06:22:52 <LiraNuna> I'm now in an infinite loop of 'cancel' and 'add email', 'register' and all over again
Jun 02 06:22:55 <LiraNuna> what am I doing wrong?
Jun 02 06:25:26 <valdyn> LiraNuna: is the nokia messaging account created already?
Jun 02 06:25:34 <LiraNuna> no!
Jun 02 06:25:54 <LiraNuna> I'm trying - I'm inputing my phone number, selecting N900 and it says 'already installed'
Jun 02 06:26:06 <LiraNuna> then I follow and press 'cancel' and it asks me to register
Jun 02 06:26:14 <LiraNuna> infinite loop time!
Jun 02 06:33:19 <Lazy^> hello, is there .docx viewer for n900
Jun 02 06:34:19 <ham5> openoffice?
Jun 02 06:34:23 <Surfa> freoffice
Jun 02 06:34:28 <Surfa> ?
Jun 02 06:34:38 <ham5> that could be
Jun 02 06:34:41 <Surfa> or doesn't the preinstalled viewer support docx too?
Jun 02 06:34:54 <Surfa> (trial only, i know)
Jun 02 06:48:07 <vallhalla> hello all
Jun 02 07:01:38 <Stskeeps> morning andre__
Jun 02 07:04:02 <andre__> heja Stskeeps!
Jun 02 07:13:27 <hrw> morning
Jun 02 07:13:46 <vallhalla> hey
Jun 02 07:14:11 * noobmonk3y waves
Jun 02 07:14:13 <noobmonk3y> mornings
Jun 02 07:24:30 <pupnik> n900 speaker fixed with hair dryer
Jun 02 07:25:13 <krutt> ohi pupnik
Jun 02 07:25:48 <pupnik> oops no, crackling out again
Jun 02 07:26:09 <pupnik> hi
Jun 02 07:26:13 <krutt> :)
Jun 02 07:35:32 * noobmonk3y prods frals
Jun 02 07:36:06 <tybollt> yeah
Jun 02 07:36:10 <tybollt> prod him
Jun 02 07:44:20 <tybollt> all this because I farted? :(
Jun 02 07:48:48 * noobmonk3y farts
Jun 02 07:50:38 <Po0ky> .w 28
Jun 02 07:52:06 * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout
Jun 02 07:52:12 * noobmonk3y w00000ps
Jun 02 07:53:54 <Khertan> Hi !
Jun 02 07:54:05 <frals> mornin Khertan
Jun 02 07:54:19 <Khertan> moo frade
Jun 02 07:54:22 <Khertan> moo frals
Jun 02 07:54:23 <Khertan> ;à)
Jun 02 07:54:30 <Khertan> it s too early :)
Jun 02 07:55:03 <noobmonk3y> morning Khertan
Jun 02 07:55:05 <noobmonk3y> :)
Jun 02 07:55:06 <noobmonk3y> shit
Jun 02 07:55:07 <noobmonk3y> work!
Jun 02 07:55:08 <noobmonk3y> aghhh
Jun 02 07:55:09 <noobmonk3y> 4 mins
Jun 02 07:55:13 <noobmonk3y> still in bed
Jun 02 07:55:27 <Khertan> hello noobmonk3y
Jun 02 07:55:52 <tybollt> sacre bonjour khertan!
Jun 02 07:56:49 <zomg> Hi, I have an N900 here which I'd like to check whether it has 1.1 or 1.2
Jun 02 07:57:10 <zomg> I found a version string from About Product but I don't know what it should say =)
Jun 02 07:57:14 <noobmonk3y> zomg,  installed healthcheck?
Jun 02 07:57:15 <Khertan> tybollt, salutations !
Jun 02 07:57:22 <jacekowski> is it possible to undelete call history?
Jun 02 07:57:32 <zomg> noobmonk3y: No but I can do that if it will show which version I have
Jun 02 07:57:36 <noobmonk3y> it will do :)
Jun 02 07:57:39 <jacekowski> i mean, couple calls has been deleted from history, is it possible to undelete them?
Jun 02 07:57:43 <zomg> Cool, thanks
Jun 02 07:57:55 <noobmonk3y> 10.2010.19-1 = 1.2 though
Jun 02 07:58:04 <noobmonk3y> 3.2010.02-8 = 1.1
Jun 02 07:58:16 <zomg> Yeah then it seems to be 1.1 :)
Jun 02 07:58:18 <noobmonk3y> (+ some variations)
Jun 02 07:58:23 <noobmonk3y> sorry 1.1.1
Jun 02 07:58:52 <noobmonk3y> 2.2009.51-1 = 1.1
Jun 02 07:59:12 * noobmonk3y has too many numbers in his head
Jun 02 07:59:26 * noobmonk3y waves bye!
Jun 02 07:59:29 <noobmonk3y> 1 min to work
Jun 02 07:59:30 <noobmonk3y> ciaooooooooo
Jun 02 07:59:41 <zomg> cya
Jun 02 07:59:53 <Khertan> does i didn't see in the last news that ovi store was updated ? it still require vat number ... :(
Jun 02 08:08:25 <frals> is it just me or does http://maemo.org/downloads/score/Maemo5/25/ seem fairly static? fAPN has been there for ages at least
Jun 02 08:12:27 <jacekowski> it's top25 downloads
Jun 02 08:12:43 <jacekowski> so it will be static
Jun 02 08:12:47 <frals> ?
Jun 02 08:13:02 <frals> top25 downloads? you mean like http://maemo.org/downloads/downloads/Maemo5/25/ ?
Jun 02 08:13:02 <jacekowski> that page is based on amount of downloads forever
Jun 02 08:13:18 <jacekowski> yes
Jun 02 08:15:24 <frals> and the difference between the 2 pages is? O_o
Jun 02 08:25:51 <ham5> make -j2
Jun 02 08:26:51 <zash> make -j $(($(grep -c ^processor /proc/cpuinfo) + 1))
Jun 02 08:32:59 <tybollt> ehr yeah
Jun 02 08:33:07 <tybollt> make -j ona smartphone
Jun 02 08:33:09 <tybollt> good grief
Jun 02 08:33:17 <Appiah> :D
Jun 02 08:40:07 <jscinoz> Hi
Jun 02 08:40:17 <pupnik> please do not update libboost to a newer version. newer is much slower
Jun 02 08:40:18 <jscinoz> I'm trying to install the SDK but I'm having issues...
Jun 02 08:40:44 <pupnik> hi jscinoz
Jun 02 08:42:20 <jscinoz> I have set up scratchbox, but if i try install the sdk, it fails to get  'maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_10.2010.09-3_armel.tgz' from the server with 404, is my installer outdated maybe? or is the file missing from the server
Jun 02 08:42:50 <jscinoz> ah sorry nevermind, i am stupid :P wget a new installer form the site and it looks for a different file now (mine was old)
Jun 02 08:42:54 <jscinoz> thanks for your time anyway
Jun 02 08:43:06 <pupnik> good news
Jun 02 08:45:38 <ham5> high
Jun 02 08:48:24 <crashanddie> low
Jun 02 08:57:09 <auenf> heh, personal data counter is couting my mms'
Jun 02 09:04:06 <smoku> another day - another autobuilder problem... :D
Jun 02 09:04:42 <pupnik> mornin smoku .. whats cooking?
Jun 02 09:08:06 <smoku> globulation 2
Jun 02 09:16:10 <TomaszD> zaheerm, ping
Jun 02 09:19:38 <smoku> pupnik: todays problem is actually quite cute ;)  https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/glob2_0.9.4.4-1maemo1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt
Jun 02 09:21:01 <pupnik> heh
Jun 02 09:26:18 <tybollt> smoku: FAIL
Jun 02 09:26:20 <tybollt> pwnt
Jun 02 09:26:21 <tybollt> etc
Jun 02 09:26:26 <tybollt> \o_
Jun 02 09:28:17 <joppu> gitorious isn't generating any tarballs for me :/
Jun 02 09:39:20 <noobmonk3y> w00t_: question in tmo for you - 2) What is the widget used to show posts which you can cilck on (similar to facebrick, witter etc). Im using qtextbrowser which is quite useless.
Jun 02 09:39:30 <noobmonk3y> nopt from me, but i'm replying to the other half of the question
Jun 02 09:39:35 <noobmonk3y> so can chuck your answer in too :P
Jun 02 09:58:46 <crashanddie> moaning
Jun 02 09:59:04 <lardman> gooood moaning
Jun 02 10:00:23 * noobmonk3y moans
Jun 02 10:00:33 <noobmonk3y> eeeek meeting - back laters
Jun 02 10:12:15 <breakd0wn> hi, does anyone have any info on what the "latest" vanilla emmc is?
Jun 02 10:12:25 <breakd0wn> what has changed in it
Jun 02 10:16:15 <mva> hey!
Jun 02 10:17:32 <mva> it is no libqt4-qt3support-4.6.2 for fremantle (and fremantle/sdk too) in repository! latest is 4.5.3.
Jun 02 10:17:53 <mva> can anybody explain, why it is no 4.6.2 version?
Jun 02 10:18:26 <Appiah> um
Jun 02 10:18:29 <Appiah> should there be?
Jun 02 10:19:17 <alterego> Does anyone else get annoyed when so called "tech" journalists write complete rubbish?
Jun 02 10:19:35 <mece> I do.
Jun 02 10:19:47 <Appiah> http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqt4-qt3support/ mva
Jun 02 10:20:43 <mva> Appiah, yep
Jun 02 10:20:51 <mva> and diff it with http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqt4-core/
Jun 02 10:21:25 <mva> it IS 4.6.2 version for "core", but it ISN'T for "qt3support"
Jun 02 10:21:54 <mva> and, i interested, why
Jun 02 10:21:57 <Appiah> it's 4.6.2 core for PR1.2
Jun 02 10:22:17 <Appiah> 4.5.3 for PR1.x
Jun 02 10:23:16 <Appiah> qt3support is just lagging behind
Jun 02 10:23:22 <Appiah> (my bet)
Jun 02 10:24:53 <mva> i know, that 4.6 in 1.2, and 4.5 in 1.x, but i want build package, that requires qt3support for 1.2, and i cant do that due to unexistance qt3support-4.6.2 for maemo ;(
Jun 02 10:29:56 <Shapeshifter> is it safe to use bash-setup to set it as the default shell? and what would I need to do to safely set zsh as the default shell?
Jun 02 10:32:18 <mva> Shapeshifter, i set zsh not exactly default shell, i just write something like this into my ~/.profile (and /root/.profile): if [[ ${TERM} == "xterm" ]]; then exec zsh; fi;
Jun 02 10:32:40 <mva> and when i starting xterm i get zsh cmd-line ;)
Jun 02 10:34:03 <Shapeshifter> mva: interesting. btw, does zsh work flawlessly for you? I can't get it to work right, e.g. it doesn't know promt and promtinit if I don't manually source the functions from /usr/share
Jun 02 10:35:46 <mva> Shapeshifter, yep, it works flawlessly (also, i was build 4.3.10 myself some time ago and using it)
Jun 02 10:36:08 <mva> and, i've my own /etc/zsh/zshrc from desktop ;)
Jun 02 10:37:51 <Shapeshifter> mva: could you please paste me that zshrc?
Jun 02 10:42:07 <MohammadAG> Not again :/ /scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: scripts/basic/fixdep: No such file or directory
Jun 02 10:45:45 <mikki-kun> MohammadAG: what dies that mean?
Jun 02 10:46:13 <mikki-kun> *does
Jun 02 10:46:37 <psycho_oreos> any of you guys built dpkg-dev?
Jun 02 10:51:08 <sivang> battery out warrning should be more before it dies
Jun 02 10:51:14 <sivang> in the middle of the conversation :)
Jun 02 10:51:23 <sivang> I wonder if there's a bug for that already?
Jun 02 10:51:40 <sivang> so I got no warning this time, and it just died on me while conversing
Jun 02 10:51:52 <mva> Shapeshifter, aaaargh! pastebinit don't want to paste on N900 ;(
Jun 02 10:52:23 <sivang> also, we need to fix the odd behavior when powering on the device
Jun 02 10:52:36 <sivang> after a battery drain out and connecting to power outlet.
Jun 02 10:53:38 <sivang> I never seem to get the sequqnce of presses to bring the device up in a predictable way :)
Jun 02 10:53:46 <MohammadAG> pastebinit is broken
Jun 02 10:53:54 <SpeedEvil> sivang: It depends.
Jun 02 10:53:59 <mva> MohammadAG, and what is alternatives?
Jun 02 10:54:13 <MohammadAG> pastebin.com
Jun 02 10:54:14 <SpeedEvil> sivang: It's actually moderately predictable.
Jun 02 10:54:20 <SpeedEvil> sivang: from a early hardware POV
Jun 02 10:54:44 <SpeedEvil> sivang: When the user presses the button, or the voltage passes n volts, it boots the kernel.
Jun 02 10:54:57 <SpeedEvil> sivang: The confusion is softwares fault
Jun 02 10:55:09 <mva> MohammadAG, you suggest to post long file by hands?
Jun 02 10:55:15 <SpeedEvil> It can be apparantly 'off' - when it's really in _act_dead_ state.
Jun 02 10:55:24 <sivang> SpeedEvil: ah
Jun 02 10:55:30 <SpeedEvil> Which is booted, and waiting in a shell-script for the battery to come to an OK state
Jun 02 10:55:33 <sivang> SpeedEvil: yes, that's what I've seen
Jun 02 10:55:44 <MohammadAG> mva, I added 400 spaces in a control file for an icon once, so... yeah, I'm that kind of person :)
Jun 02 10:55:54 <MohammadAG> manually btw
Jun 02 10:56:01 <sivang> SpeedEvil: let's add some progress indication , what do you say?
Jun 02 10:56:11 <sivang> SpeedEvil: fix that bit of user experience
Jun 02 10:56:14 <SpeedEvil> sivang: progress indication adds battery use
Jun 02 10:56:36 <sivang> SpeedEvil: but when you are plugged, it is okay no?
Jun 02 10:56:43 <SpeedEvil> I would say a flashing red/green to indicate 'very low battery, charging'
Jun 02 10:56:54 <sivang> SpeedEvil: on the small led?
Jun 02 10:56:55 <SpeedEvil> It can't boot immediately with a very low battery
Jun 02 10:56:56 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jun 02 10:57:06 <sivang> SpeedEvil: okay, I wanna do this, how to follow?
Jun 02 10:57:14 <sivang> SpeedEvil: which package to midfy ?
Jun 02 10:57:27 <SpeedEvil> you need to edit the scripts in /etc
Jun 02 10:57:38 <sivang> SpeedEvil: and they will allow me to control the led?
Jun 02 10:58:46 <sivang> SpeedEvil: well, essentially, I do need to modify the package delivering the respective /etc script
Jun 02 10:59:49 <sivang> SpeedEvil: this implies that the system always runs off the battery, even when plugged
Jun 02 10:59:57 <phellarv> Which is best - batterywize - Haze, Pecan og Butterfly?
Jun 02 10:59:57 <sivang> SpeedEvil: is this a hardware constraint/ design ?
Jun 02 11:00:11 <sivang> phellarv: what are those?
Jun 02 11:00:23 <phellarv> Telepathy plugins for MSN
Jun 02 11:00:35 <sivang> phellarv: ah
Jun 02 11:00:45 <sivang> I personall prefer Pecan nuts
Jun 02 11:00:51 <sivang> :)
Jun 02 11:00:54 <SpeedEvil> sivang: mce controlls LED
Jun 02 11:01:00 <SpeedEvil> sivang: BME does battery charging
Jun 02 11:01:05 <phellarv> Some of my friends wants to reach me by MSN, and those three are the different options I have.
Jun 02 11:01:22 <sivang> SpeedEvil: okay, once it is connected I will ssh there and check this out
Jun 02 11:01:38 <phellarv> And I remember sometime ago that there was a discussion on which was best for a phone.
Jun 02 11:01:49 <SpeedEvil> Look at /etc/event.d/bme /etc/event.d/rcS-late
Jun 02 11:01:50 <mva> Shapeshifter, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/220977/
Jun 02 11:01:54 <sivang> SpeedEvil: also, either the power button nor the show display button on the side act predictivly
Jun 02 11:02:02 <mva> Shapeshifter, ^_^
Jun 02 11:02:14 <sivang> SpeedEvil: If I come with a patch will it be shipped by Nokia?
Jun 02 11:02:20 <SpeedEvil> sivang: I don't know.
Jun 02 11:02:53 <SpeedEvil> And yes - the battery is in parallel with the charger - and the system is connected across both
Jun 02 11:02:56 <sivang> SpeedEvil: I am asking because it is unlikely people will install this withouot the official stamp
Jun 02 11:03:00 <SpeedEvil> In normal use, the charger is on.
Jun 02 11:03:22 <SpeedEvil> I know that there have been user-submitted mods to the init scripts accepted as patches
Jun 02 11:03:42 <sivang> SpeedEvil: if the system is connected through both, why can't why just consum outlet until battery is okay and then do display a progress indication or some sort of user friendly text?
Jun 02 11:03:44 <SpeedEvil> (or more accurately, the charger is turned on and off to maintain the 'charged' voltage)
Jun 02 11:03:53 <sivang> SpeedEvil: the led is already used so much in telepathy so it can gete confusing.
Jun 02 11:03:56 <SpeedEvil> In some cases, the battery has to be charged slowly
Jun 02 11:04:20 <SpeedEvil> And in others, you can only draw a small amount of power through the USB port
Jun 02 11:04:42 <sivang> SpeedEvil: I want to cater fro the case when I'm connected to the power outlest
Jun 02 11:05:01 <sivang> SpeedEvil: so given I can, provide as much info about waht's happening so the user will not bang head and curse :)
Jun 02 11:05:29 <sivang> SpeedEvil: in more then 60% of times , I think people will charge the device through the power outlet instead of USB
Jun 02 11:05:56 <SpeedEvil> In the case of a very low battery, the battery will take some time to be charged to a state where you can safely start the UI.
Jun 02 11:06:09 <SpeedEvil> The battery should not usually get to this level though.
Jun 02 11:06:11 <sivang> SpeedEvil: so if power consumption is constraind, use led, if not do some bootsplash msg
Jun 02 11:06:30 <SpeedEvil> that's what flashing yellow means
Jun 02 11:06:32 <sivang> SpeedEvil: but only if I am not connected to an outlet
Jun 02 11:06:35 <SpeedEvil> flashing yellow means charging
Jun 02 11:06:55 <sivang> SpeedEvil: yes, but it does so only after it succeded boot
Jun 02 11:06:56 <SpeedEvil> power supply is constrained by not being able to - for safety reasons - charge the battery immediately
Jun 02 11:06:57 <sivang> *after*
Jun 02 11:07:23 <sivang> SpeedEvil: and I always get to this state with my device, of so low battery
Jun 02 11:07:34 <sivang> SpeedEvil: in about 5-6 hours
Jun 02 11:07:37 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Battery_Charger
Jun 02 11:07:55 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME
Jun 02 11:08:38 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/LED_patterns
Jun 02 11:08:52 <sivang> SpeedEvil: I'm reading, very interesting.
Jun 02 11:09:27 <sivang> SpeedEvil: a normal user does ot want to enter wiki pages to understand what his phone is doing.
Jun 02 11:09:31 <sivang> SpeedEvil: just a note :)
Jun 02 11:09:45 <sivang> SpeedEvil: and he couldn't care less why/how/security percautions
Jun 02 11:09:45 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic
Jun 02 11:09:48 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jun 02 11:09:59 <SpeedEvil> but if you want to alter it, you need to know the above
Jun 02 11:10:01 <sivang> SpeedEvil: "It should just work (tm)"
Jun 02 11:10:02 <puphome> it is a computer, camera, radio, radio transmitter.  why call it a phone
Jun 02 11:10:10 <sivang> SpeedEvil: I will :-)
Jun 02 11:10:15 <sivang> thank you SpeedEvil !
Jun 02 11:10:37 <sivang> SpeedEvil: the note about the user was wrt to the flashing colors of the N900 disco machine
Jun 02 11:10:45 <crashanddie> oh for fuck's sake
Jun 02 11:10:52 <crashanddie> why the hell do people do validation against phone numbers
Jun 02 11:10:56 <matthew-> any1 here from the UK?
Jun 02 11:11:00 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking
Jun 02 11:11:03 <SpeedEvil> and the service manual
Jun 02 11:11:06 <sivang> SpeedEvil: I would like to provide a splash for the user until the system start the booting splash
Jun 02 11:11:12 <crashanddie> yes, my number begins with "09" it's a bloody VoIP number, bastards
Jun 02 11:11:20 <crashanddie> matthew-: quite a few, why do you ask?
Jun 02 11:11:26 <SpeedEvil> sivang: The user is assumed to read the manual - which is on the device - a document.
Jun 02 11:12:01 <SpeedEvil> matthew-: yes, I am from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Jun 02 11:12:03 <matthew-> crashanddie: need someone to call vodafone to call me
Jun 02 11:12:04 <matthew-> :P
Jun 02 11:12:20 <sivang> SpeedEvil: so that's probably the same with iPhone, you need to read the manual as they are probably facing the same issues with power outage.
Jun 02 11:12:25 <SpeedEvil> umm - why?
Jun 02 11:12:51 * sivang likes the UK
Jun 02 11:13:32 <SpeedEvil> matthew-: Sorry - I'm having problems with phone credit ATM. landline is down - I have stuff connected to it to attempt to diagnose DSL isue
Jun 02 11:13:53 <sivang> SpeedEvil: Whereabouts in the UK are you?
Jun 02 11:14:12 <SpeedEvil> Fife, Scotland.
Jun 02 11:14:59 <sivang> SpeedEvil: oh Scotland is so cool, Been the Glasgow and Edinburgh
Jun 02 11:15:02 <SpeedEvil> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=56.2186&lon=-3.1204&zoom=12&layers=B000FTF
Jun 02 11:15:33 <sivang> s/the/to/
Jun 02 11:15:33 <infobot> sivang meant: SpeedEvil: oh Scotland is so cool, Been to Glasgow and Edinburgh
Jun 02 11:16:07 <sivang> SpeedEvil: would have stayed much longer had I not have to go back.
Jun 02 11:21:16 <sivang> btw, all the eye candy and UI kinetics is delivered through Compiz or its version there of right? or is there some other layer that does this for N900/Maemo ?
Jun 02 11:21:22 <sivang> or compiz.fusion
Jun 02 11:23:22 <MaikB> hey guys
Jun 02 11:23:48 <MaikB> does witter work with identica for someone?
Jun 02 11:25:26 <TomaszD> zaheerm, ping
Jun 02 11:26:16 <puphome> no sivang
Jun 02 11:26:48 <puphome> the windowmanager does compositing, but isn't compiz
Jun 02 11:27:33 <sivang> puphome: cool, that's something I've been meaning to ask for a while, so what is it?
Jun 02 11:27:56 <Cy8aer> MaikB: Do you have this Error 500 problem with witter?
Jun 02 11:29:08 <MaikB> i just 'rm -rf ~/witter*´ed and reentered my identica credentials.  Now I don't get the Server error 500 anymore, but it keeps trying to get the timeline without success
Jun 02 11:29:22 <MaikB> @cybear
Jun 02 11:29:41 <MaikB> @cy8aer
Jun 02 11:29:44 <MaikB> sry
Jun 02 11:31:24 <SpeedEvil> MaikB: I'd hit it with tcpdump
Jun 02 11:32:46 <Cy8aer> MaikB: did you run it from console with run-standalone.sh python2.5 /opt/witter/witter.py? You will have some verbose stuff on the console. Looks like a missing / or so. dwould is doing some stuff with it: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35596&highlight=witter&page=45 ff. But it is not running for me either.
Jun 02 11:33:00 <Cy8aer> MaikB last "stable" version for me is 0.3.3-2
Jun 02 11:33:45 <puphome> sivang: hildon-desktop is the term, i believe
Jun 02 11:42:04 <zaheerm> TomaszD, pong
Jun 02 11:45:14 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
Jun 02 11:45:15 <infobot> somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jun 02 11:45:51 <MaikB> is there a command line binpaste tool in the repos?
Jun 02 11:46:14 <MaikB> i've got a.meaningful log
Jun 02 11:46:18 <smoku> sivang: window manager is built-in hildon-desktop - it uses clutter library to do the fancy graphics stuff
Jun 02 11:49:24 <MaikB> pastebinit...
Jun 02 11:49:45 <sivang> puphome: so hildon-desktop the composite manager?
Jun 02 11:49:48 <SpeedEvil> diddn't work for me
Jun 02 11:49:53 <SpeedEvil> sivang: yes
Jun 02 11:50:13 <sivang> SpeedEvil: interesintg. I was we were using compiz, but maybe it is not perofrmant enough for embedded
Jun 02 11:50:16 <SpeedEvil> hildon-desktop does the task switcher
Jun 02 11:53:17 <MaikB> great, pastebinit gives just http://pastebin.com as the result
Jun 02 11:53:33 <MaikB> f***
Jun 02 11:53:59 <inz> MaikB, maybe they're using magic to identify the paste!
Jun 02 11:56:19 <SpeedEvil> MaikB: more importantly, it soesn't seem to actually paste
Jun 02 11:58:54 <MaikB> http://pastebin.com/jBdsS9tu
Jun 02 11:59:08 <MaikB> here we go
Jun 02 11:59:56 <MaikB> it contains:  raise TwitterError("User must be specified if API is not authenticated.")
Jun 02 12:00:15 <zash> raise Hell
Jun 02 12:01:35 <MaikB> my guts tell me that this is an identica only issue cuz the dev is a twitter guy
Jun 02 12:02:01 <Shapeshifter> mva: thanks
Jun 02 12:02:44 <MaikB> alternatives to witter ( which are using right now and not just read about )
Jun 02 12:02:47 <MaikB> ?
Jun 02 12:03:05 <zash> witter?
Jun 02 12:03:23 <zash> client?
Jun 02 12:04:01 <MaikB> zash: whats the matter?
Jun 02 12:04:38 <MaikB> witter is a client indeed
Jun 02 12:04:44 <zash> I thougt this was another channel not related to software dev and concluded that it must have been a misspelling
Jun 02 12:05:01 <MaikB> ah, ok
Jun 02 12:05:12 <TomaszD> X-Fade, I've dished out some maintainership requests, where do these go to?
Jun 02 12:06:32 <MaikB> so let me rephrase my rquestion:
Jun 02 12:06:39 <MaikB> which identi.
Jun 02 12:06:44 <MaikB> sry
Jun 02 12:07:04 <Cy8aer> MaikB: Mauku should (?)
Jun 02 12:07:18 <MaikB> which identica clients, that actually work, are there?
Jun 02 12:07:31 <Cy8aer> MaikB: But that was more horrible than witter :-(
Jun 02 12:07:35 <MaikB> Cy8aer, are u using it right now?
Jun 02 12:08:02 <MaikB> i tried it yesterday, did do anything
Jun 02 12:08:57 <MaikB> didn,t
Jun 02 12:09:04 <MaikB> didn't
Jun 02 12:09:16 * MaikB ditches himself
Jun 02 12:09:17 <Cy8aer> I am using 0.3.3-2 because >= 0.3.3-3 I have this Error 500 bug. I have an own status.net server running, so I selected "Other". http(s)://servername/statusnet/api/ <-- the "/" is important.
Jun 02 12:09:40 <Cy8aer> So it should be http://identi.ca/api/ as an "identica"-server.
Jun 02 12:11:08 <Cy8aer> MaikB: No oAuth (that works with twitter only?) so username and password must be edited into the preferences form. And keep in mind that Python text inputs have the first letter upper case.
Jun 02 12:12:27 <MaikB> i have 0,
Jun 02 12:12:43 <MaikB> 0.3.3-9
Jun 02 12:13:27 <MaikB> so its broken
Jun 02 12:13:33 <Cy8aer> MaikB: You will have weird results if your password begins with a lower case letter - so you need to edit around the first letter. 0.3.3-9 does not work for me with a status.net server. Last 0.3.3-2. right
Jun 02 12:13:52 <MaikB> k
Jun 02 12:14:06 <MaikB> i think i just wait then
Jun 02 12:14:31 <MaikB> to bad
Jun 02 12:15:08 <Cy8aer> MaikB: 0.3.3-2 -> upper: the only difference I can see is the portrait mode (and bug fixing)
Jun 02 12:15:54 <mece> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=695690
Jun 02 12:16:26 <MaikB> a lesson i learned from using  linux on the desktop for 5+ years: if something does work leave it alone unless you want to get involved
Jun 02 12:16:45 <MaikB> I'm no friend of workarounds
Jun 02 12:17:18 <Cy8aer> MaikB: Me too but I am talking to the developer (talk thread) ;-)
Jun 02 12:18:16 <MaikB> Cy8aer, so you are getting involved. Thanks for your efforts!
Jun 02 12:18:56 <Cy8aer> MaikB: I hope this thingie is fixed in the next days.
Jun 02 12:19:37 <MaikB> yay
Jun 02 12:19:55 <MaikB> Iz looking forward to it
Jun 02 12:26:11 <mece> nice and fast action there mods :)
Jun 02 12:26:27 <tybollt> woot
Jun 02 12:28:13 <Shapeshifter> I wonder what's eating my rootfs. 3mb per day.
Jun 02 12:29:11 <MaikB> tmp dir, just a guess
Jun 02 12:30:33 <crashanddie> Shapeshifter: do you have a cat, or a rat?
Jun 02 12:30:52 <MaikB> or /var
Jun 02 12:31:15 <Shapeshifter> crashanddie: I have bugs
Jun 02 12:31:53 <alterego> http://alterego.metapath.org/images/screenshots/Screenshot-20100602-132604.png
Jun 02 12:32:07 <alterego> Thass the UI so far,
Jun 02 12:32:51 <GeneralAntilles> alterego, what theme?
Jun 02 12:32:57 <alterego> Carbon
Jun 02 12:33:23 <mece> Shapeshifter, LOL good one.
Jun 02 12:34:04 <mece> alterego, damn. Carbon looks VERY nice. Where can I get it?
Jun 02 12:34:11 <mece> also, the application, where can I get that?
Jun 02 12:37:21 <alterego> mece: when I've finished it it'll be in extras-devel :)
Jun 02 12:37:41 <alterego> mece: Carbon is in the extras-testing I believe.
Jun 02 12:39:06 <mece> alterego, what are you writing it in?
Jun 02 12:39:34 <alterego> mece: backend is python + dbus + telepathy, frontend is python + dbus + telepathy + PySide
Jun 02 12:39:50 <mece> alterego, how much is done?
Jun 02 12:40:16 <mece> uuh which category are themes under?+
Jun 02 12:40:37 <alterego> mece: 80% just need to write the configuration format and daemonize the backend, then debianize.
Jun 02 12:41:01 <alterego> Not bad for a days work I think :)
Jun 02 12:41:02 <mece> ah, desktop, duh.
Jun 02 12:41:11 <mece> alterego, wow. Sweet.
Jun 02 12:42:20 <alterego> I was suprised how well the backend actually works, updates occur on friends clients after roughly 2-5 seconds.
Jun 02 12:42:45 <MaikB> alterego, python?
Jun 02 12:42:55 <alterego> MaikB: indeed.
Jun 02 12:43:03 <MaikB> alterego, python?
Jun 02 12:43:06 <MaikB> oops
Jun 02 12:43:18 <MaikB> alterego, pyqt or gtk?
Jun 02 12:43:19 <crashanddie> good grief the bollocks you have to read these days
Jun 02 12:43:52 <alterego> MaikB: PySide (qt)
Jun 02 12:43:53 <crashanddie> "Streaming offers better quality than peer to peer, considering that peer to peer exchanges copies which are not perfect. Streaming however distributes master copies"
Jun 02 12:44:06 <alterego> crashanddie: wtf?! :D
Jun 02 12:44:08 <sivang> alterego: what version of PySide did you use? latest source stable?
Jun 02 12:44:22 <alterego> sivang: what ever is on the device under PR1.2
Jun 02 12:44:30 <crashanddie> alterego: I'm tempted to go and shoot the guy who wrote that
Jun 02 12:44:30 <MaikB> alterego, encontered any bugs you had to work around?
Jun 02 12:44:33 <mece> crashanddie, OMGWTFLOL?!?
Jun 02 12:44:40 <alterego> MaikB: not really no.
Jun 02 12:44:45 <sivang> alterego: ah I see, I didn't realize there was a PySide release there.
Jun 02 12:44:46 <MaikB> nice
Jun 02 12:45:00 <sivang> alterego: still alot is missing from the source API no?
Jun 02 12:45:02 <alterego> MaikB: as you can see though, it's not exactly a complicated UI ;)
Jun 02 12:45:25 <MaikB> is the current maemo release still based on boost?
Jun 02 12:45:37 <MaikB> alterego,  i c :)
Jun 02 12:45:38 <alterego> sivang: not sure, it's my first Python+PySide app, very simple, a line edit, some check buttons and a dialog+dialog button box.
Jun 02 12:45:57 <alterego> Oh and a scroll area
Jun 02 12:46:15 <mece> alterego, pyside is so so sweet.
Jun 02 12:46:27 <sivang> alterego: cool, I'm just looking to collect usage and code examples for PySide.
Jun 02 12:46:57 <sivang> alterego: I'll check carbon out
Jun 02 12:47:07 <alterego> Well, I designed the UI in Nokia Qt SDK, then wrote it manually in Python once I was happy with how it looked on the device.
Jun 02 12:47:37 <alterego> I'm thinking of using gconf for configuration ..
Jun 02 12:47:45 <MaikB> i use boost.python  myself and was very surpised when i figured pyside uses it, cuz gcc produced massive binaries when C++ templates are used
Jun 02 12:47:52 <sivang> alterego: may I advice against it? :)
Jun 02 12:48:06 <mece> ooooooo carbon is purrty
Jun 02 12:48:07 <alterego> sivang: you can, but I think it's going to be the easiest for me tbh :/
Jun 02 12:48:08 <sivang> MaikB: PySide trunk does not use it anymore
Jun 02 12:48:18 <sivang> MaikB: uses shiboken
Jun 02 12:48:29 <sivang> MaikB: I thik there's even a released tarballs for shiboken
Jun 02 12:48:35 <MaikB> sivang, i know, see what i wrote above
Jun 02 12:49:08 <MaikB> my question was if the current version still uses boost
Jun 02 12:49:17 <alterego> MaikB: afaik, yes.
Jun 02 12:49:19 <mece> alterego, why not just a csv?
Jun 02 12:49:33 <sivang> My guess is that pr1.2 shipped one uses it
Jun 02 12:49:40 <alterego> mece: I suppose I could use a CSV
Jun 02 12:50:04 <sivang> alterego: or use the ini file conf
Jun 02 12:50:25 <alterego> sivang: that was my original idea, ini type file.
Jun 02 12:50:26 <sivang> alterego: there's a very cool module to use such foramt
Jun 02 12:50:32 <sivang> alterego: stdlib
Jun 02 12:50:46 <MaikB> sivang, thx
Jun 02 12:50:48 <alterego> sivang: still looking at it now "ConfigParser" I actually use it in the app already to parse some telepathy config files.
Jun 02 12:51:26 <sivang> alterego: there you go, I was stupid enough to reimplement some of its functionality just to discover there's something like that already, abck in 2004
Jun 02 12:51:36 <alterego> :)
Jun 02 12:53:46 <DocScrutinizer> from a random log:
Jun 02 12:53:49 <DocScrutinizer> dpkg - warning: downgrading kernel-modules from 2.6.28-20101501+0m5 to 2.6.28-20100903+0m5.
Jun 02 12:54:33 <DocScrutinizer> the 20101501 kernel is supposed to be older than the 20100903
Jun 02 12:54:53 <DocScrutinizer> are some blockheads using a YYYYDDMM scheme here?
Jun 02 12:55:08 <thresh> 15th month yay
Jun 02 12:56:43 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: that would seem obvious from a '15' month? :D
Jun 02 12:57:39 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, but alas it's obviously not so obvious to the "is greater than" test in some install scripts, package rdepends, and whatnot
Jun 02 12:58:29 <DocScrutinizer> it's a braindamaged idea to use YYYYDDMM for a version string (or for anything, to be honest)
Jun 02 12:58:44 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: I whole-heartedly agree ..
Jun 02 12:58:52 <smoku> dpkg-buildpackage throws warnings when detecting descending version number in changelog
Jun 02 12:59:23 <smoku> so it's even more serious error
Jun 02 12:59:40 <MohammadAG> old: kernel (2.6.28-20101103) unstable; urgency=low
Jun 02 12:59:43 <MohammadAG> new: kernel (2.6.28-20101501) unstable; urgency=low
Jun 02 13:00:02 <thresh> well, maybe a typo?
Jun 02 13:00:10 <MohammadAG> in a kernel source?
Jun 02 13:01:06 <jaska> sounds more like YYYYWWRR (r = revision?)
Jun 02 13:01:22 <jaska> or YYYYWWDD ( day of week)
Jun 02 13:01:29 <DocScrutinizer> well, that doesn't pan out then
Jun 02 13:01:58 <DocScrutinizer> as the higher week-of-year is supposed to be the older kernel
Jun 02 13:02:25 <summel> ohhh i hate the bugs in the pr1.2 browser >_>
Jun 02 13:02:29 <DocScrutinizer> at least I'm told it is the older one
Jun 02 13:03:59 <MohammadAG> huge (kind of) paste
Jun 02 13:04:00 <MohammadAG> kernel (2.6.28-20101501) unstable; urgency=low
Jun 02 13:04:01 <MohammadAG>   * Fixes: NB#162856 - Camera: Support alternative SSL3250A flash controller
Jun 02 13:04:01 <MohammadAG>  -- Eugene Lyubimkin <ext-lyubimkin.eugene@nokia.com>  Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:06:17 +0300
Jun 02 13:04:01 <MohammadAG> kernel (2.6.28-20101103) unstable; urgency=low
Jun 02 13:04:15 <MohammadAG> it didn't paste the empty line breaks, cool
Jun 02 13:04:21 <Scelt> http://jupiter.kamfjord-it.no/~wheelman/Saxguy/ - funnyy
Jun 02 13:04:28 <MohammadAG> brb
Jun 02 13:05:10 <asj__> MohammadAG: it sounds like 20101501 fixes 20101103
Jun 02 13:05:29 <asj__> so I would assume week 15, rev 1 fixes week 11 rev 3.
Jun 02 13:05:30 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: that's loking quite funny, but what will it teach us?
Jun 02 13:06:20 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, just pasted it to show which one is older
Jun 02 13:06:35 <smoku> DocScrutinizer: ok. you downgraded the kernel. but what's the problem?
Jun 02 13:06:44 <DocScrutinizer> ok, but how to read that gibberish?
Jun 02 13:07:00 <DocScrutinizer> smoku: I didn't downgrade anything
Jun 02 13:07:17 <GAN900> Piece of shit
Jun 02 13:07:30 <GAN900> It's like PR1.2 was designed to break things
Jun 02 13:07:43 <crashanddie> GAN900: what now?
Jun 02 13:07:46 <DocScrutinizer> smoku: I'm rising a general issue here, that I've been told of
Jun 02 13:07:46 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, first line is the version number, lines starting with * are changes, -- is a signature-like line (with a timestamp)
Jun 02 13:07:46 <asj__> you guys whine more than a 3 year old
Jun 02 13:07:50 * asj__ goes to bed
Jun 02 13:07:54 <MohammadAG> it goes from new to old going downwards
Jun 02 13:08:03 <GAN900> crashanddie, lost my data connection again
Jun 02 13:08:06 <smoku> DocScrutinizer: and the issue is?
Jun 02 13:08:19 <MohammadAG> Version numbers shouldn't be made like that...
Jun 02 13:08:21 <MohammadAG> brb
Jun 02 13:08:23 <GAN900> Which is extra great when I have a meeting I want a log for on here.
Jun 02 13:08:24 <DocScrutinizer> asj__: you tell more shit than my granpa
Jun 02 13:08:37 <crashanddie> GAN900: I can log, give me channel
Jun 02 13:08:39 <Shapeshifter> of the two or three ways of opening doc/docx files on the n900, which one do you consider best?
Jun 02 13:08:52 <GAN900> crashanddie, I can pull up screen
Jun 02 13:09:00 <GAN900> It's just a goddamn pain in the ass.
Jun 02 13:09:19 <smoku> DocScrutinizer: as long the developers find it usefull, whats the problem with using large numbers?
Jun 02 13:09:55 <asj__> DocScrutinizer: heh, if you spent less time complaining and more time listening...ah never mind
Jun 02 13:10:02 <DocScrutinizer> smoku: dunno, tell me! wo said there's a problem in using large numbers??
Jun 02 13:10:22 <smoku> [15:07:54] <DocScrutinizer> smoku: I'm rising a general issue here, that I've been told of
Jun 02 13:10:37 <DocScrutinizer> so ... what?
Jun 02 13:10:47 <smoku> nuthin' EOT
Jun 02 13:11:34 <crashanddie> GAN900: chill, take a pill.
Jun 02 13:12:10 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: if it's "going new to old downwards" then the collation order of version strings is sane, no?
Jun 02 13:12:20 <GAN900> crashanddie, mmmm
Jun 02 13:14:28 <crashanddie> GAN900: breathe, and enjoy beautiful pictures: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1189364@N24/pool/
Jun 02 13:15:15 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: what you are telling me, is 2.6.28-20101501 is *NEWER* than 2.6.28-20101103, not older. That looks perfectly sane, no problem in this then
Jun 02 13:20:17 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: obviously 20101501 is newer than 20101103. We all know that the 15th month of the year comes after the 11th, duh.
Jun 02 13:20:55 <BCMM> *perfectly* sane
Jun 02 13:21:06 <korhojoa> of course.
Jun 02 13:21:14 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: well, I've been told differently. So I thought it's YYYYDDMM
Jun 02 13:21:25 <korhojoa> who in their right mind would put months/days the wrong way around
Jun 02 13:21:52 <korhojoa> it's either YYYYMMDD for archives or DDMMYYYY for written stuff
Jun 02 13:22:32 <crashanddie> iso standard is yyyymmdd (or yyyy-mm-dd), logical and works fine for order by name.
Jun 02 13:22:47 <DocScrutinizer> now MohammadAG pasted some changelog or whatever to proove the 201015 version actually *is* newer than the 201011 version. So my previous info was erratic, and the whole topic is moot
Jun 02 13:22:50 <crashanddie> yyyyddmm is stupid.
Jun 02 13:23:22 <korhojoa> well
Jun 02 13:23:31 <korhojoa> someone invented a month or three
Jun 02 13:23:36 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: my statement, see above
Jun 02 13:24:03 <crashanddie> december, jenember, febrember and marchember.
Jun 02 13:24:30 <janneg> korhojoa: aks the us. they use mm/dd yy
Jun 02 13:24:44 <korhojoa> i know, it's just not sane.
Jun 02 13:25:36 <crashanddie> janneg: I believe 11th september was a conspiracy to get the world to use the mmdd format. 911 (or 9/11) means something to most educated people, even though they think in terms of ddmmyy
Jun 02 13:26:33 <korhojoa> 9/11 does mean something to people. to me it means that americans still can't do dates correctly
Jun 02 13:26:46 <korhojoa> it should be 11.9
Jun 02 13:27:00 <korhojoa> which incidentally is the emergency services number in some asian countries (eg. china)
Jun 02 13:27:28 <crashanddie> 911 is the emergency service number in the US ;)
Jun 02 13:27:43 <crashanddie> 112 in Europe, 000 in Australia, etc, etc
Jun 02 13:27:51 <MohammadAG> 112 in IL
Jun 02 13:28:03 <smoku> why did you stick to the 15th month?  debian package number consists of opaque numbers separated with non number strings. every block is compared separately
Jun 02 13:28:03 <korhojoa> crashanddie: i know.
Jun 02 13:28:06 <Ikarus> crashanddie: the 11th september is called just that here
Jun 02 13:28:17 <Ikarus> 112 is the international emergency number
Jun 02 13:28:22 <crashanddie> yeah but IL is pretty much european anyway :P
Jun 02 13:28:23 <Ikarus> works everywhere these days except the USA
Jun 02 13:28:24 <smoku> so it's obvious that 20101501 > 20101103
Jun 02 13:28:36 <korhojoa> MohammadAG: IL? illinois?
Jun 02 13:28:50 <MohammadAG> Hint: whois my IP
Jun 02 13:28:51 <Ikarus> korhojoa: israel
Jun 02 13:28:57 <MohammadAG> damn you Ikarus :P
Jun 02 13:28:59 <korhojoa> how is israel il ?
Jun 02 13:29:14 <Ikarus> korhojoa: official 2 letter ISO country codes
Jun 02 13:29:16 <MohammadAG> IsraeL?
Jun 02 13:29:16 <crashanddie> korhojoa: first and last letter?
Jun 02 13:29:23 <korhojoa> i guess so
Jun 02 13:29:42 <Ikarus> 112 as universal emergency number is btw mandatory in GSM networks
Jun 02 13:29:58 <crashanddie> It gets funny when you try to email people in the ukraine. it's so easy to typo .com.ua with .com.au
Jun 02 13:30:04 <korhojoa> what's strange though is that many nokia phones also accept 08 as an emergency number
Jun 02 13:31:26 <puphome> rule 34.  linux  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27AGe1b0mnI
Jun 02 13:33:03 <crashanddie> puphome: she's fugly
Jun 02 13:33:04 <alterego> Well, finished the configuration UI, now for a shower :)
Jun 02 13:33:10 <BCMM_> how did GB end up with .uk anyway?
Jun 02 13:33:24 <crashanddie> BCMM_: united kingdom?
Jun 02 13:33:40 <puphome> rename it to NSGB
Jun 02 13:34:26 <BCMM_> crashanddie: ISO code is gb
Jun 02 13:35:05 <crashanddie> BCMM_: except that gb isn't right
Jun 02 13:35:22 <crashanddie> BCMM_: gb is just england + wales + scotland, and UK is GB + northern ireland
Jun 02 13:35:37 <BCMM_> crashanddie: does NI have it's own iso code?
Jun 02 13:35:57 <crashanddie> BCMM_: not that I'm aware of
Jun 02 13:36:05 <amigadave> http://qntm.org/uk is helpful
Jun 02 13:36:36 <BCMM_> crashanddie: ah, i misunderstood
Jun 02 13:36:47 <BCMM_> indeed, GB does not correctly refer to northern island too
Jun 02 13:37:11 <BCMM_> but it is the assigned ISO 3166 code for the lot
Jun 02 13:37:39 <crashanddie> yup
Jun 02 13:37:44 <Ikarus> .uk/GB ISO code is one of a few minor deviations
Jun 02 13:37:56 <Ikarus> no one ever said ccTLDs where identical to ISO
Jun 02 13:38:11 <Ikarus> then we couldn't have a ccTLD for the Palestine areas, Taiwan, etc
Jun 02 13:39:38 <crashanddie> Some french nuclear company tried to get a .va domain name, but vatican denied it... would've made avi.va
Jun 02 13:43:33 <crashanddie> damn... iraq only provides .com.iq
Jun 02 13:43:40 <crashanddie> I wanted to register negative.iq
Jun 02 13:44:24 <crashanddie> anyway, off, 'later
Jun 02 13:44:43 <puphome> hahah
Jun 02 13:51:09 <puphome> whoah.  progress!  http://daggerxl.wordpress.com/  May release nearing playable
Jun 02 14:02:44 <timeless_mbp> there's a .su ccTLD too fwiw
Jun 02 14:02:55 <Shapeshifter> I usually just starve
Jun 02 14:03:14 <Shapeshifter> wrong chan. was talking about nethack ^^
Jun 02 14:07:01 <alterego> Does anyone know of a settings plugin written in python?
Jun 02 14:07:09 <alterego> I can't seem to find an example anywhere.
Jun 02 14:07:18 <wazd> ~seen vdvsx
Jun 02 14:07:22 <infobot> vdvsx <~Valerio@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8d 20h 15m 18s ago, saying: 'Andy80, with support for the 770 :D'.
Jun 02 14:07:31 <wazd> :(
Jun 02 14:07:47 <frals> he was online last night wazd
Jun 02 14:08:01 <wazd> frals, oh, thanks :)
Jun 02 14:08:33 <frals> np :)
Jun 02 14:08:47 <Scelt> I put on my hat and wizard rope
Jun 02 14:11:37 <alterego> ~seen qwerty12
Jun 02 14:11:38 <infobot> qwerty12 <n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 180d 19h 47m 39s ago, saying: 'Khertan: "As of hildon 2.2, HildonDialog has been deprecated in favor of GtkDialog. "'.
Jun 02 14:11:55 <alterego> Erm ..
Jun 02 14:12:00 <Khertan> hum ... back to sleep mode
Jun 02 14:17:52 <alterego> Damnit, so there's no official python loader for settings applets :(
Jun 02 14:18:07 <alterego> Which means I'm either going to have to make this stand alone, or maybe a status area or desktop plugin :/
Jun 02 14:34:18 <GAN900> 180 days? Wow
Jun 02 14:36:47 <joppu> I updated to MADDE 0.6.72 and where is my /home/ -folder?
Jun 02 14:38:57 <hmiltn5> its not /home?
Jun 02 14:40:24 <joppu> well, it's a fresh install and I can't seem to find home folder anywhere
Jun 02 14:46:26 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, ping
Jun 02 14:46:37 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Here
Jun 02 14:46:46 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54917
Jun 02 14:47:30 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Crap, forgot to check the approval list.
Jun 02 14:47:41 <MohammadAG> :)
Jun 02 14:48:44 <joppu> maybe I just manually create those folder and it'll work?
Jun 02 14:49:54 <TomaszD> X-Fade, do you know who approves maintainership requests on maemo.org/packages?
Jun 02 14:50:05 <X-Fade> TomaszD: yes, me
Jun 02 14:50:15 <TomaszD> e.g. there is one guy on decoders-support who I don't know, approved as a maintainer
Jun 02 14:50:38 <X-Fade> TomaszD: Are you maintainer for the package?
Jun 02 14:50:44 <TomaszD> yes
Jun 02 14:51:00 <X-Fade> TomaszD: Then you should be able to remove him ;)
Jun 02 14:51:15 <X-Fade> TomaszD: Can you edit metadata on the package?
Jun 02 14:51:59 <TomaszD> X-Fade, http://maemo.org/packages/view/decoders-support/
Jun 02 14:52:03 <TomaszD> where do I click here
Jun 02 14:52:21 <X-Fade> TomaszD: In the midgard bar
Jun 02 14:52:22 <TomaszD> "marek sladek" I don't know
Jun 02 14:53:06 <TomaszD> the midgard bar does nothing for me
Jun 02 14:53:10 <TomaszD> I can log out there
Jun 02 14:53:16 <TomaszD> and look at online help
Jun 02 14:53:24 <X-Fade> TomaszD: Hmm under Page?
Jun 02 14:53:37 <TomaszD> nothing there, doesn't open
Jun 02 14:53:43 <TomaszD> folder is the same
Jun 02 14:53:58 <X-Fade> TomaszD: Hmm ok, need to work on that then ;) But anyway, *poof* ;)
Jun 02 14:54:34 <TomaszD> X-Fade, heh, ok. I also sent out a couple of requests for gstreamer packages to centralize the whole decoders-support dep mess
Jun 02 14:55:07 <TomaszD> half of those are maintained by zaheerm, the other by kulve
Jun 02 14:55:39 <TomaszD> so if you're they guy who approves these requests, please do :P
Jun 02 14:55:49 <X-Fade> TomaszD: Don't see those?
Jun 02 14:56:06 <TomaszD> e.g. http://maemo.org/packages/view/gstreamer0.10-vp8/
Jun 02 14:56:17 <TomaszD> I click request
Jun 02 14:56:24 <TomaszD> then confirm
Jun 02 14:56:32 <TomaszD> nothing happens, same page reloads
Jun 02 14:56:43 <TomaszD> nothing says "request sent" or anything
Jun 02 14:57:06 <X-Fade> I don't see your request, and you probably not either as it should be visible on the page then.
Jun 02 14:57:24 <TomaszD> so chrome is evil? let's see ff
Jun 02 14:58:34 <TomaszD> nothing happens in ff too
Jun 02 14:59:00 <TomaszD> X-Fade, something is clearly broken :)
Jun 02 14:59:39 <X-Fade> TomaszD: Yeah, need to debug.
Jun 02 15:03:14 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, shall I close the bug?
Jun 02 15:05:05 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Sure.
Jun 02 15:06:49 <auenf> welp, need more angry birds levels, beat all 21 free ones with 3 stars each
Jun 02 15:08:36 <GAN900> It's impossible to answer the phone in PR1.2
Jun 02 15:08:42 <X-Fade> auenf: Go to ovi store and by the level pack?
Jun 02 15:08:47 <X-Fade> *buy
Jun 02 15:09:04 <GAN900> Your finger gets within a quarter inch of the screen and the green button becomes the red button
Jun 02 15:09:22 <GAN900> How does QA testing not pick something like that up?
Jun 02 15:09:53 <SpeedEvil> How do I dump SMSs in a readable format with all their metadata?
Jun 02 15:10:58 <mc_teo> hey
Jun 02 15:11:18 <mc_teo> does maemo support local pacs?
Jun 02 15:11:22 <SpeedEvil> Or more acuratey.
Jun 02 15:11:32 <SpeedEvil> I have a SMS showing as the contacts name is 'NOKIA'
Jun 02 15:11:39 <SpeedEvil> How do I know what number this came from?
Jun 02 15:12:09 <mc_teo> i dont think you can
Jun 02 15:12:23 <X-Fade> SpeedEvil: It is also possible to only send a name as ident, instead of a number.
Jun 02 15:12:31 <X-Fade> SpeedEvil: If you have access to an SMSC.
Jun 02 15:12:34 <mc_teo> it was probably sent via nokia pc to sms gateway
Jun 02 15:13:18 <mc_teo> so what sort of proxies can i use?
Jun 02 15:14:02 <SpeedEvil> X-Fade: Sure - possibly.
Jun 02 15:14:13 <mc_teo> ssh tunneling + socks5 config'd in FF was the only one that ever truly worked here
Jun 02 15:14:19 <SpeedEvil> Is there a way to dump the SMS database so I can see if this is the case?
Jun 02 15:14:34 <E0x> this really work http://maemo.org/packages/view/headset-control/ ?
Jun 02 15:14:39 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: yeah, what case exactly?
Jun 02 15:15:01 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: I wrote a few python scripts to search through sms
Jun 02 15:15:01 <E0x> i read a thread about that but look like the head-set button don't get report withou the phone app
Jun 02 15:15:07 <frals> SpeedEvil: open el-v1.db in sqlitebrowser of choice?
Jun 02 15:15:12 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Jun 02 15:15:26 <SpeedEvil> I forgot about that - I just submitted a bugreport about that too.
Jun 02 15:15:28 * SpeedEvil sighs.
Jun 02 15:15:53 * SpeedEvil tries to recall how to dump dbs.
Jun 02 15:16:21 <mgedmin> .dump
Jun 02 15:16:29 <mc_teo> does maemo support local pacs?
Jun 02 15:16:32 <mgedmin> sqlite3 filename.db .dump > data.txt
Jun 02 15:16:35 <mgedmin> iirc
Jun 02 15:17:56 <SpeedEvil> aha
Jun 02 15:17:58 <SpeedEvil> thanks
Jun 02 15:18:04 <SpeedEvil> I was going through .help
Jun 02 15:18:45 <mc_teo> does maemo support local pacs?
Jun 02 15:18:48 <mc_teo> ...
Jun 02 15:18:52 <mgedmin> what are 'pacs'?
Jun 02 15:19:04 <mc_teo> proxy automatic config
Jun 02 15:19:06 <mc_teo> files
Jun 02 15:19:31 <mc_teo> im open to other suggestions
Jun 02 15:19:35 <mc_teo> ssh tunneling + socks5 config'd in FF was the only one that ever truly worked here
Jun 02 15:20:31 <mc_teo> and turning on socks proxy through about:config is a pain
Jun 02 15:21:36 <mgedmin> I suppose...
Jun 02 15:22:01 <mgedmin> on a regular Linux desktop you can configure the proxy for all GNOME apps via gconf
Jun 02 15:22:29 <mgedmin> I don't know if microB uses gconf for its proxy configuration
Jun 02 15:22:37 <mc_teo> it doesnt
Jun 02 15:22:38 <mgedmin> I've never used proxies in maemo
Jun 02 15:22:56 <mc_teo> since its gnome specific
Jun 02 15:23:29 <ZogG> µTorrent is comming for linux
Jun 02 15:23:32 <ZogG> damn
Jun 02 15:24:24 <pexi> oohh nice
Jun 02 15:24:49 <mc_teo> so anyone know about proxies in maemo?
Jun 02 15:29:42 <crashanddie> resistive support multi-touch, right?
Jun 02 15:30:04 <crashanddie> the meego tablet demos it, etc
Jun 02 15:30:12 <tybollt> http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/intel-demos-android-2-1-on-moorestown-smartphone-video/
Jun 02 15:30:21 <mc_teo> so anyone know about proxies in maemo?
Jun 02 15:30:29 <tybollt> so Intel now producing Android gadets too?
Jun 02 15:30:34 * tybollt ... _bit_ confused
Jun 02 15:32:21 <BCMM_> android runs on x86, or at least Atom, IIRC.
Jun 02 15:32:37 <ZogG> MohammadAG, have you read about Mercedes SLR exhibition in Te-Aviv?
Jun 02 15:32:50 <ZogG> only 75 cars in the world ? =)
Jun 02 15:35:32 <crashanddie> http://www.zdnetasia.com/intel-seeks-consumers-for-meego-62200421.htm?tag=mncol;txt
Jun 02 15:36:48 <mc_teo> so anyone know about proxies in maemo?
Jun 02 15:40:59 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, hopefully I can start collecting the dev info for the loans today.
Jun 02 15:41:23 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: cool
Jun 02 15:42:20 <DocScrutinizer> I already fear my time window for sending in the repair repair (pwpbutton borked by Nokia) will expire
Jun 02 15:42:54 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, isn't it 2 years?
Jun 02 15:43:44 <DocScrutinizer> actually sth like 6 months, 2 years only for problems clearly caused by production
Jun 02 15:43:53 <GAN900> Ah
Jun 02 15:43:56 <GAN900> Interesting
Jun 02 15:44:12 <DocScrutinizer> and for claiming a faulty repair things are still a little bit different
Jun 02 15:44:35 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, you mean to give n900 back?
Jun 02 15:44:50 <GAN900> He's switching to Android
Jun 02 15:44:55 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: I don't mean that
Jun 02 15:44:59 <GAN900> Because it's more hackable
Jun 02 15:45:10 <DocScrutinizer> and I haven't said such thing
Jun 02 15:45:12 <GAN900> and there's less overclocking. :P
Jun 02 15:45:25 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, flip-flopping now, eh?
Jun 02 15:46:22 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: flip-flopping?
Jun 02 15:46:30 <ZogG> nokia connecting people
Jun 02 15:46:36 <ZogG> today so girl with phone like mine
Jun 02 15:46:44 <ZogG> so started to talk
Jun 02 15:46:51 <ZogG> as there are not a lot in my country
Jun 02 15:47:13 <ZogG> gave her my number and facebook - but was stupid enuf not to tack hers =(((
Jun 02 15:47:13 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, changing your mind on switching to Android. :P
Jun 02 15:47:48 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: you make me sad, mate :-)
Jun 02 15:47:56 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, US political term used to describ a politician who reverse their stance on an issue repeatedly.
Jun 02 15:48:08 <DocScrutinizer> aah
Jun 02 15:48:35 <ZogG> damn udev not mounting N900
Jun 02 15:48:39 * ZogG misses hal
Jun 02 15:48:59 <Torne> has anyone written a script to go through the package database and work out how much space each package uses on rootfs?
Jun 02 15:49:47 <mc_teo> so anyone know about proxies in maemo?
Jun 02 15:50:02 <mc_teo> ... im really getting annoyed now
Jun 02 15:50:10 <ZogG> mc_teo i don't
Jun 02 15:50:21 <ZogG> or you want everyone to say that the don't ?
Jun 02 15:50:22 <GAN900> http://lifehacker.com/5553295/att-dropping-unlimited-wireless-plans-announces-tethering
Jun 02 15:50:26 <GAN900> Oops
Jun 02 15:50:31 <ZogG> mc_teo, what exactly you want?
Jun 02 15:51:41 <mc_teo> ZogG: just some info about proxies
Jun 02 15:51:47 <mhmh> Torne: https://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space at the bottom there is a script that claims to do that
Jun 02 15:51:58 <Torne> ooh
Jun 02 15:52:14 <mc_teo> and really is there any sight of an app or anything to switch between proxies easily
Jun 02 15:52:27 <mc_teo> like use a socks proxy when im in school
Jun 02 15:52:36 <mc_teo> and direct when at home
Jun 02 15:52:51 <Torne> mhmh: That's more or less what I was going to write, thanks ;)
Jun 02 15:53:38 <Torne> saves me doing it
Jun 02 15:54:07 <andrewfblack> anyone ever had any luck getting N900 to connect to a WPA-Enterprise server?
Jun 02 15:54:17 <arachnist> andrewfblack: yes, i had
Jun 02 15:54:44 <DocScrutinizer> mc_teo: you looked into "advanced" at end of intenet connection setup wizard?
Jun 02 15:54:59 <andrewfblack> my N900 keeps asking for WEP Key but server is suppose to be WPA-Enterprise
Jun 02 15:55:23 <arachnist> andrewfblack: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2051#c26
Jun 02 15:55:24 <povbot`> Bug 2051: Unable to connect to EAP PEAP MSCHAPV2 without certificates
Jun 02 15:55:32 <ZogG> mc_teo you probably can edit connections in settings
Jun 02 15:56:07 <mc_teo> DocScrutinizer: yes
Jun 02 15:56:14 <mc_teo> but no option for socks
Jun 02 15:56:20 <DocScrutinizer> aah
Jun 02 15:56:26 <mc_teo> so i tried using a pac
Jun 02 15:56:33 <MohammadAG> I need to overclock this PC...
Jun 02 15:56:40 <mc_teo> but doesnt support local pacs either
Jun 02 15:57:00 <MohammadAG> 10 minutes is way too much time to compile 6MBs (from 1 GB source)
Jun 02 15:57:11 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: you need to build the *right* shit, with the right patches applied ;-P
Jun 02 15:59:16 <MohammadAG> let's hope I built the right shit then
Jun 02 15:59:39 <andrewfblack> arachnist: no matter what still asks me for WEP key
Jun 02 16:00:18 <DocScrutinizer> andrewfblack: there's  a strange mess invented by microsoft that uses a wep connection and then negotiates some wpa key based on certificates, or sth like that. Maybe that's your problem?
Jun 02 16:00:24 <mhmh> anyone been using the jabber plugin for conversations for muc? Would love to get the backlog support to work. Experimented abit and can't get it functioning. Stuck to using pidgin för that atm
Jun 02 16:00:49 <zash> mhmh: define "backlog support"
Jun 02 16:01:02 <mc_teo> so when you open it
Jun 02 16:01:11 <mc_teo> previous conversations appear
Jun 02 16:01:21 <zash> default behaviour is for the server to send stuff
Jun 02 16:01:23 <mc_teo> faded out, like history
Jun 02 16:01:26 <MohammadAG> well, framebuffer didn't show up
Jun 02 16:01:29 <MohammadAG> well, framebuffer didn't show up
Jun 02 16:01:32 <mc_teo> like xchat
Jun 02 16:01:33 <andrewfblack> DocScrutinizer: Most likely in my companys guide to connect using a windows mobile phone they tell you to set it to key provided by server.
Jun 02 16:01:34 <MohammadAG> gah
Jun 02 16:01:36 <mhmh> zash: when i join a ejabberd server using pidgin it send me the stuf that's been typed in the channel when i was offline. but not when i activate it in conversations
Jun 02 16:01:58 <DocScrutinizer> andrewfblack: yes, that's it
Jun 02 16:02:09 <zash> mhmh: the problem beeing that telepathy fails on <delay/> stuffs
Jun 02 16:02:22 <andrewfblack> DocScrutinizer: Still no luck with connection to this kind of server on N900?
Jun 02 16:02:27 <MohammadAG> FSCK!
Jun 02 16:02:39 <MohammadAG> it was the right kernel, but the framebuffer console didn't show up
Jun 02 16:02:43 <MohammadAG> guess they changed that too
Jun 02 16:02:57 <zash> http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#enter-history
Jun 02 16:03:06 <DocScrutinizer> andrewfblack: no idea. I'd think there should be some software on linux to handle that, but for sure it's rather complex to set up
Jun 02 16:03:21 <zash> mhmh: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24933 is related
Jun 02 16:03:22 <povbot`> Bug 24933: was not found.
Jun 02 16:03:29 <DocScrutinizer> andrewfblack: and not included in the rather simplistic connection manager on N900
Jun 02 16:03:41 <zash> povbot`: you are bug 24933
Jun 02 16:03:41 <povbot`> zash: Error: "you" is not a valid command.
Jun 02 16:05:22 <andrewfblack> DocScrutinizer: wish I knew what kind of server it was called to help me search.  I guess N900 is going back in the draw thought I might have a use for it again if I could use it at work.
Jun 02 16:05:26 <calvaris> X-Fade: are you who manages the autobuilder or do you know anything about it?
Jun 02 16:05:42 <mhmh> zash: ok.. så know telepathy problem. saves me some time :)
Jun 02 16:06:41 <zash> mhmh: the weird thing is, if it doesn't understand that it's backlog, it should just recive and display them as plain messages
Jun 02 16:09:27 <mhmh> zash: indeed.. got nothing at all while testing it a couple days ago. But guess i can live with using pidgin for a couple of days until i can have a closer look at it all
Jun 02 16:10:20 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, is smartreflex related to framebuffer?
Jun 02 16:10:22 <mhmh> zash: it was the last thing i had left to migrate over in communications to the phone ;)
Jun 02 16:10:29 <MohammadAG> cause it's not showing up, and I'm sure it's the right kernel this time
Jun 02 16:10:39 <DocScrutinizer> andrewfblack: in your help manual from company, there should some xxxxx.exe be mentioned which needs to be installed on the winmoob phone. This is a good keyword to find the corresponding article in microsoft knowledge base, which explains about the more generic protocols used in this stuff. With these protocols you might find the right linux tools to handle that
Jun 02 16:11:08 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: not directly
Jun 02 16:11:24 <DocScrutinizer> afaik
Jun 02 16:11:36 <andrewfblack> DocScrutinizer: yeah it talks about an enroll.exe
Jun 02 16:11:42 <DocScrutinizer> that's it
Jun 02 16:12:06 <GAN900> andrewfblack, lamer
Jun 02 16:12:10 <DocScrutinizer> google for that one, and you'll find the specs on MSDN or whatever it's called
Jun 02 16:13:19 <andrewfblack> good morning GAN900 :)
Jun 02 16:13:30 <GAN900> Yo, andrewfblack.
Jun 02 16:13:44 <ZogG> is media player widget opensource?
Jun 02 16:13:49 <SpeedEvil> Anyone here in the UK, with easy access to online phone billing?
Jun 02 16:14:01 <SpeedEvil> I mean - the online bill for their n900 phone account
Jun 02 16:14:11 <SpeedEvil> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10506
Jun 02 16:14:12 <povbot`> Bug 10506: 'My nokia' unsubscribe attempt costs money. This is in breach of the UK regulations on premium rate texts.
Jun 02 16:14:25 <SpeedEvil> Am I totally misguided?
Jun 02 16:14:36 <ZogG> i can't even subscribe
Jun 02 16:15:04 <SpeedEvil> Sure - but clicking on the button certainly does not give a clear indication of pricing beforehand.
Jun 02 16:15:37 <DocScrutinizer> also I don't think unsubscribing may be billed at all
Jun 02 16:16:17 <SpeedEvil> It's not a recurring text message in the normal form I think.
Jun 02 16:16:36 <mc_teo> i think its mean sending a message without warning
Jun 02 16:17:26 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: first refuse paying it, contact your provider not to transfer the money to Nokia
Jun 02 16:17:51 <ZogG> it's like with apps in Ovi
Jun 02 16:18:03 <ZogG> when it says tax incl and it's not
Jun 02 16:18:06 <SpeedEvil> It's probably actually sybase, not nokia.
Jun 02 16:18:18 <ZogG> SpeedEvil, it's ending msg
Jun 02 16:18:25 <ZogG> sending*
Jun 02 16:18:30 <ZogG> to unsubscribe
Jun 02 16:18:38 <SpeedEvil> ZogG: As I understand it - it sends a free SMS to unsubscribe.
Jun 02 16:18:43 <ZogG> the question how much is it cost?
Jun 02 16:18:49 <SpeedEvil> this is sent to a premium rate phone provider
Jun 02 16:18:50 <ZogG> SpeedEvil, free sms?
Jun 02 16:18:58 <DocScrutinizer> there's no free SMS
Jun 02 16:18:59 <ZogG> SpeedEvil, i don't think so
Jun 02 16:19:01 <SpeedEvil> they send you back a reverse-charged premium rate SMS
Jun 02 16:19:11 <DocScrutinizer> except to your carrier's service center
Jun 02 16:19:18 <ZogG> SpeedEvil, don't think it works like that
Jun 02 16:19:24 <ZogG> SpeedEvil, depends on provider
Jun 02 16:19:27 <SpeedEvil> Perhaps.
Jun 02 16:19:35 <ZogG> i don't think we have such thing in our country at all
Jun 02 16:19:41 <SpeedEvil> However - that is an inbound message. It's shown in the UI as an inbound message.
Jun 02 16:19:46 <SpeedEvil> No outbound message is listed.
Jun 02 16:20:07 <ZogG> SpeedEvil, call ypur provider and ask him
Jun 02 16:20:22 <SpeedEvil> I've emailed them.
Jun 02 16:20:29 <ZogG> you can ask qguil and get " but nokia is great answer" =)))
Jun 02 16:20:36 <ZogG> SpeedEvil, emailing is wrong
Jun 02 16:20:44 <ZogG> email was invented to ignore people
Jun 02 16:20:47 <SpeedEvil> It's one of the manners they offer for contact.
Jun 02 16:20:48 <ZogG> call them on phone
Jun 02 16:20:55 <SpeedEvil> that would cost money.
Jun 02 16:21:02 <ZogG> weird
Jun 02 16:21:04 <SpeedEvil> Which kind of defeats the purpose of getting a refund.
Jun 02 16:21:07 <ZogG> here it works opposite
Jun 02 16:21:18 <ZogG> we prob can email but it takes years to get answer
Jun 02 16:21:23 <ZogG> easier to call
Jun 02 16:21:34 <ZogG> as well as the call is free
Jun 02 16:21:41 <ZogG> as example i have orange IL
Jun 02 16:21:51 <ZogG> and it is all numbers starting 054
Jun 02 16:22:07 <ZogG> so if i call *054 - it's company and it's free call
Jun 02 16:22:20 <ZogG> there are free services as well
Jun 02 16:22:28 <ZogG> for account info and so on
Jun 02 16:22:42 <SpeedEvil> Oh - my mistake - it is a free call from the phone
Jun 02 16:23:12 <ZogG> SpeedEvil, have your bought n900 at shop or at phone company?
Jun 02 16:23:21 <ZogG> by phone company i mean operator
Jun 02 16:23:33 <ZogG> contract to be certain
Jun 02 16:24:09 <SpeedEvil> I bought it from nokia.co.uk
Jun 02 16:24:16 <SpeedEvil> no contract
Jun 02 16:26:22 <mva> lol
Jun 02 16:28:11 <RST38h> moo all
Jun 02 16:29:42 <andrewfblack> I might be way off but it looks like to generate the WEP my company uses a radius server.  That provides the WEP for me just can't find a away to connect to it
Jun 02 16:29:50 <ZogG> SpeedEvil you wouldn't get answer =))
Jun 02 16:30:11 <ZogG> RST38h \o
Jun 02 16:30:24 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=696115&postcount=1016
Jun 02 16:30:34 <DocScrutinizer> HOSTMODE, finaly!!
Jun 02 16:31:17 <DocScrutinizer> all courtesy to sarahn, and her kernel patches
Jun 02 16:31:29 * ZogG activated 
Jun 02 16:31:46 <ZogG> Sara Connar?
Jun 02 16:31:52 <ZogG> i have to find her
Jun 02 16:31:59 <DocScrutinizer> we'll need anothe maybe week to clean up kernel, and to implement a silly little gui to enable for 'normal users'
Jun 02 16:32:11 <ZogG> do you know that robocops Os was meego?
Jun 02 16:32:50 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: time for a MWKN update, I guess ;-)
Jun 02 16:33:39 <MohammadAG> HOSTMODE FREAKING WORKS
Jun 02 16:33:43 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, beat me to it
Jun 02 16:33:48 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, oh?
Jun 02 16:33:57 * ZogG beats MohammadAG 
Jun 02 16:33:59 <MohammadAG> and thanks to DocScrutinizer for the VBUS
Jun 02 16:34:57 <DocScrutinizer> and for swinging the whip, to make you go ahead right direction ;-P
Jun 02 16:35:13 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 02 16:36:55 <ZogG> i'm gonna sleep for several hours
Jun 02 16:38:58 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, who needs attribution?
Jun 02 16:41:01 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: uh?
Jun 02 16:41:30 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, when I write up the summary, who should I note as having contributed to the success?
Jun 02 16:43:30 <DocScrutinizer> the major work been done by sarahn in her kernel patches, though a lot of people were almost there as well, e.g javispedro. We discussed the whole thing on tmo thread (see above), so it's basically a success story of the hostmode taskforce team as on tmo thread last 10 pages, and in #maemo-hostmode-discussion
Jun 02 16:44:31 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG tested sarahn's / tealbird's patches today, added his own ones inspred by me suggesting to kick a lot of useless OTG crap
Jun 02 16:44:42 <BCMM_> DocScrutinizer: as in USB host mode?
Jun 02 16:45:02 <MohammadAG> "Inspired by me" I lol'd
Jun 02 16:45:11 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM_: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=696115&postcount=1016
Jun 02 16:45:22 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, OK.
Jun 02 16:45:23 * MohammadAG gives DocScrutinizer his beer, he doesn't drink anyways
Jun 02 16:45:40 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: cheers!! :-)))
Jun 02 16:46:07 <noobmonk3y> lo alls :) :)
Jun 02 16:46:08 <BCMM_> i don't entirely understand that log
Jun 02 16:46:17 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: please sign h-e-n garage project as quick as possible :)
Jun 02 16:46:20 <BCMM_> is it actually about host mode usb on an n900?
Jun 02 16:46:28 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Jun 02 16:46:41 <BCMM_> i thought that was not possible in hardware?
Jun 02 16:46:54 <t-tan> it's another the people vs. Nokia success!
Jun 02 16:47:20 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG attached a usb memstick to his stock N900, with stock cable CA-101 and a F2F adapter, and it works
Jun 02 16:47:28 * RST38h wonders when abill_uk guy will finally buy himself a different phone
Jun 02 16:47:28 <BCMM_> wow
Jun 02 16:47:35 <noobmonk3y> MohammadAG,  - My first Morpho pic - http://www.flickr.com/photos/meepmeepiamasheep/4662773645/sizes/l/
Jun 02 16:47:40 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM_: I tell you since 6 months that's a lie
Jun 02 16:47:41 <BCMM_> if it isn't supposed to do that, why is it capable of providing power?
Jun 02 16:47:42 <DocScrutinizer> :-))
Jun 02 16:48:02 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, and you were right
Jun 02 16:48:05 * MohammadAG trouts noobmonk3y 
Jun 02 16:48:09 <BCMM_> well, that is totally cool
Jun 02 16:48:10 * noobmonk3y grins
Jun 02 16:48:19 <BCMM_> who do we thank?
Jun 02 16:48:25 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, so the world is flat!
Jun 02 16:48:26 <noobmonk3y> i need some thanking
Jun 02 16:48:27 <GAN900> RST38h, he probably uses an iPhone
Jun 02 16:48:30 <GAN900> He's a troll
Jun 02 16:48:31 <noobmonk3y> MohammadAG, it is!
Jun 02 16:48:40 <BCMM_> BCMM: wtf?
Jun 02 16:48:58 <microlith> abil_uk?
Jun 02 16:49:05 <BCMM_> guess the n900's 'net connection just bounced...
Jun 02 16:49:14 <microlith> he's the only person I have blocked on the whole site
Jun 02 16:49:54 <RST38h> GAN: I asked him: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=696143&postcount=21
Jun 02 16:49:58 * RST38h cackles evilly
Jun 02 16:50:22 <BCMM_> so does anybody know how much power the port provides? does it actually meet the USB spec on that?
Jun 02 16:50:52 <dneary> GAN900, Ping?
Jun 02 16:51:02 <dneary> Any idea when Jaffa gets back online?
Jun 02 16:54:41 * frals slaps noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout
Jun 02 16:54:44 * frals slaps MohammadAG around a bit with a large trout
Jun 02 16:54:49 <frals> oi, i do the trouting around here!
Jun 02 16:55:13 <BCMM_> hang on, i CTCP-version'ed you the first time i saw you do that, didn't i?
Jun 02 16:55:15 <BCMM_> sorry
Jun 02 16:55:43 <frals> irssiproxy
Jun 02 16:56:34 * MohammadAG wants something MS Paint-y on linux
Jun 02 16:56:44 <MohammadAG> I can't do damn mockups in GIMP, it's too complicated
Jun 02 16:57:20 <BCMM_> MohammadAG: is KDE software OK?
Jun 02 16:58:15 <BCMM_> MohammadAG: there is kolourpaint, which is a lot like a less stupid version of ms-paint
Jun 02 17:00:50 <dneary> gah
Jun 02 17:01:04 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM_: nope, N900 can provide 200mA
Jun 02 17:01:05 <frals> VDVsx, wazd was looking for you earlier
Jun 02 17:01:10 <dneary> I'm trying to /msg NickServ with my android client, and it ain't buyin' it
Jun 02 17:01:24 <BCMM_> DocScrutinizer: that is brilliant
Jun 02 17:01:38 <wazd> VDVsx: yep :)
Jun 02 17:02:43 <BCMM_> that would actually be of great practical use
Jun 02 17:03:03 <BCMM_> http://ak.buy.com/db_assets/prod_lrg_images/654/211997654.jpg would be the correct sort of adaptor, right?
Jun 02 17:03:04 <VDVsx> wazd, I'm here now :D leaving soon for dinner :D
Jun 02 17:03:13 <BCMM_> (more poketable than a cable)
Jun 02 17:03:27 <MohammadAG> lol BCMM
Jun 02 17:03:37 <wazd> VDVsx: I'm preping a list of fixes for BlueMaemo, interested? :)
Jun 02 17:03:44 <VDVsx> wazd, sure :D
Jun 02 17:03:47 <BCMM_> MohammadAG: have i said something stupid?
Jun 02 17:04:00 <wazd> VDVsx: I'll send it along with files to your gmail then :)
Jun 02 17:04:20 <VDVsx> wazd, ok thanks
Jun 02 17:04:30 <MohammadAG> BCMM_, nah (it was @ the KDE app)
Jun 02 17:05:28 <wazd> VDVsx: settings have only one setting btw? :)
Jun 02 17:05:35 <BCMM_> kolourpaint is my prefered thing for doing very quick, ugly things to images
Jun 02 17:05:38 <visz> or this one? http://www.qfonic.com/images/products/cab-2219/image01.jpg
Jun 02 17:05:54 <VDVsx> wazd, more, but removed in that version
Jun 02 17:05:58 <BCMM_> like sending somebody a schematic of a motherboard with a red circle and "This bit!" drawn on it
Jun 02 17:06:03 <wazd> VDVsx: ah, ok :)
Jun 02 17:06:07 <VDVsx> wazd, 3 IIRC
Jun 02 17:06:16 <VDVsx> but need to think a bit more about that
Jun 02 17:13:15 <RST38h> heya wazd, vdvsx
Jun 02 17:15:26 <GAN900> RST38h, you'll make him melt.
Jun 02 17:15:45 <GAN900> RST38h, he's secretly in love with is N900, but he can't admit it to himself.
Jun 02 17:16:56 <VDVsx> RST38h, hey :D
Jun 02 17:19:11 <RST38h> http://s46.radikal.ru/i114/1003/20/e37536b98fd7.jpg
Jun 02 17:19:15 * RST38h snickers
Jun 02 17:19:18 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, ping (x100)
Jun 02 17:19:39 * frals pong floods MohammadAG
Jun 02 17:19:55 <MohammadAG> damn you frals, I thought he replied
Jun 02 17:20:06 <MohammadAG> ~attack frals
Jun 02 17:20:07 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing frals
Jun 02 17:35:07 <Shapeshifter> oh
Jun 02 17:35:20 <Shapeshifter> so infobot is a fembot.
Jun 02 17:38:17 <xDaReaperx> hi
Jun 02 17:39:07 <xDaReaperx> i used health check to find out my CPU frequencies , i used to see a max freq of 1150 MHz till yesterday , but now it shows a max of only 600 MHz why ?
Jun 02 17:53:51 <wazd> RST38h: moo :)
Jun 02 17:57:06 <joppu> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/array-theme_1.0/i386.root.log.FAILED.txt
Jun 02 17:57:11 <joppu> debug, anyone?
Jun 02 17:58:40 <Mece> quiet here. what is up?
Jun 02 18:00:32 <joppu> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=696168
Jun 02 18:00:34 <joppu> oh...
Jun 02 18:02:46 <xDaReaperx> hey
Jun 02 18:02:57 <xDaReaperx> how do i delete the files in /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive
Jun 02 18:03:07 <xDaReaperx> its a 28 MB file in rootfs
Jun 02 18:03:11 <xDaReaperx> i dont need it
Jun 02 18:03:33 <zash> xDaReaperx: what does `dpkg -S /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive` say
Jun 02 18:04:35 <xDaReaperx> well nvm
Jun 02 18:06:34 <xDaReaperx> how much space do you have in rootfs left ?
Jun 02 18:07:48 <GAN900> RST38h, what does the caption read?
Jun 02 18:11:02 * mgedmin would suggest moving that file into /opt instead of just nuking it; it may turn out to be necessary for correct operation of the UI
Jun 02 18:12:24 <SpeedEvil> Also - /lib/libc-2.5.so is quite large - you should probably nike that too.
Jun 02 18:12:30 <SpeedEvil> nuke
Jun 02 18:12:45 * SpeedEvil did that shortly after getting his first linux system.
Jun 02 18:12:46 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 02 18:14:51 <xDaReaperx> how do you nuke it ?
Jun 02 18:16:04 <xDaReaperx> says no such file exiss
Jun 02 18:17:09 <SpeedEvil> rm
Jun 02 18:17:33 <SpeedEvil> This will stop your device booting
Jun 02 18:17:51 <SpeedEvil> Just because you don't know what a file does, and it's large, doesn't mean it's pointless
Jun 02 18:18:10 <xDaReaperx> well i didn't say anything like that
Jun 02 18:18:19 <xDaReaperx> the maemo's webpage says so
Jun 02 18:18:29 <SpeedEvil> 'the maemo's' ?
Jun 02 18:18:37 <SpeedEvil> I think there are several pages about maemo.
Jun 02 18:18:44 <xDaReaperx> http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space
Jun 02 18:19:03 <xDaReaperx> i know you're trying to argue , i'm not here for an argument
Jun 02 18:20:01 <SpeedEvil> I'm not trying to argue.
Jun 02 18:20:11 <SpeedEvil> How much space do you have?
Jun 02 18:20:14 <elstupidos> You can't just delete these files, this is just a list with ideas! You have to know what you are going to do with them
Jun 02 18:20:20 <elstupidos> thats what it says
Jun 02 18:20:30 <xDaReaperx> yeah i read that
Jun 02 18:20:38 <Mece> xDaReaperx, is your rootfs full?
Jun 02 18:20:43 <xDaReaperx> no
Jun 02 18:20:58 <SpeedEvil> Also - you can uninstall tutorial applet
Jun 02 18:21:03 <Mece> xDaReaperx, so what's the problem?
Jun 02 18:21:06 <SpeedEvil> Disable all repos
Jun 02 18:21:10 <SpeedEvil> (apart from nokia)
Jun 02 18:21:40 <xDaReaperx> okay
Jun 02 18:21:47 <xDaReaperx> i actually rebooted now , everything looks messed up
Jun 02 18:21:56 <elstupidos> lol
Jun 02 18:21:59 <Mece> bummer..
Jun 02 18:22:07 <Mece> what did you do?
Jun 02 18:22:20 <xDaReaperx> wait its restarting
Jun 02 18:22:21 <xDaReaperx> holdl
Jun 02 18:22:40 <xDaReaperx> ah nothings wrong
Jun 02 18:22:46 <Mece> :)
Jun 02 18:22:48 <xDaReaperx> lol
Jun 02 18:22:51 <elstupidos> good
Jun 02 18:22:51 * SpeedEvil remembers the discussion on DPI here earlier.
Jun 02 18:23:05 <SpeedEvil> he little slate's features include a 10 hour battery life, 2450 dpi  touch resolution screen, pen writing and input controls, a fast screen  refresh response time, 2MP camera, USB port, and a MicroSD slot.
Jun 02 18:23:05 <SpeedEvil> Read more: http://hothardware.com/News/Handson-with-Asus-Eee-Tablet-eReaderWriter-with-Integrated-Digicam/#ixzz0pims4ZGK
Jun 02 18:23:06 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 02 18:23:11 <xDaReaperx> actually when i rebooted from xterminal
Jun 02 18:23:17 <SpeedEvil> http://hothardware.com/News/Handson-with-Asus-Eee-Tablet-eReaderWriter-with-Integrated-Digicam/
Jun 02 18:23:20 <xDaReaperx> every thing on the screen was weird
Jun 02 18:23:32 <xDaReaperx> all messed
Jun 02 18:23:33 <Mece> so what are you trying to do xDaReaperx?
Jun 02 18:23:42 <xDaReaperx> i dunno just rebooted using xterminal
Jun 02 18:24:01 <xDaReaperx> i think it was the nokia cable problem , maybe a bug
Jun 02 18:24:04 <Mece> but what are you trying to do?
Jun 02 18:24:15 <xDaReaperx> clear some space up in rootfs
Jun 02 18:24:32 <elstupidos> how much space is left
Jun 02 18:24:38 <xDaReaperx> 50 MB
Jun 02 18:24:46 <xDaReaperx> is it enough ?
Jun 02 18:24:53 <Mece> xDaReaperx, for some particular reason or? 50 is plenty.
Jun 02 18:25:10 <xDaReaperx> Hmm well okay , i thought it was too less
Jun 02 18:25:23 <xDaReaperx> just that
Jun 02 18:25:30 <Mece> xDaReaperx, for what? in general?
Jun 02 18:26:17 <xDaReaperx> well i read through the forums i found that if there is not enough space in the rootfs you cannot update
Jun 02 18:26:19 <xDaReaperx> or so
Jun 02 18:26:34 <Mece> ooh.. for updating :D
Jun 02 18:26:38 <RST38h> GAN900: "If Jesus were hung..."
Jun 02 18:26:39 <xDaReaperx> yes
Jun 02 18:26:54 <Mece> that's true. 50 should be enough tho.
Jun 02 18:27:03 <Mece> try it.
Jun 02 18:27:06 <xDaReaperx> hmm okay so i can now update right ? okay fine
Jun 02 18:27:23 <Mece> it will tell you if you can't
Jun 02 18:28:34 <xDaReaperx> okay ty
Jun 02 18:28:43 <xDaReaperx> anyways it was really weird how the screen was
Jun 02 18:28:46 <xDaReaperx> everything was messed
Jun 02 18:28:52 <xDaReaperx> how did that happen ?
Jun 02 18:29:02 <Mece> xDaReaperx but it's ok now?
Jun 02 18:29:11 <xDaReaperx> all icons , images buttons were gone all green erros and stuff
Jun 02 18:29:20 <xDaReaperx> yeah switched off and on , its okay now
Jun 02 18:29:25 <xDaReaperx> thank God lol
Jun 02 18:29:50 <Mece> xDaReaperx, hehe. hey do a backup before you upgrade.
Jun 02 18:30:02 <xDaReaperx> yeah it told me to take a backup , i just did
Jun 02 18:30:12 * noobmonk3y waves
Jun 02 18:30:21 <elstupidos> is that whole "need 50+ space for update" just for doing OTA?
Jun 02 18:30:45 * Mece waves like the queen at noobmonk3y
Jun 02 18:30:56 <xDaReaperx> well yeah
Jun 02 18:31:00 <xDaReaperx> i was worried
Jun 02 18:31:00 <Mece> elstupidos, yes.
Jun 02 18:31:05 <xDaReaperx> in case the update goes wrong
Jun 02 18:31:20 <elstupidos> ahh
Jun 02 18:31:37 <Mece> xDaReaperx, flashing is a pretty simple procedure, so don't worry.
Jun 02 18:31:38 <frals> w00t_, im here now ;)
Jun 02 18:31:47 <xDaReaperx> did any of you try to reboot keeping the nokia cable connected ?
Jun 02 18:31:51 * noobmonk3y prods frals 
Jun 02 18:31:56 <xDaReaperx> Oh okay , kind of new to the device
Jun 02 18:31:59 <noobmonk3y> is there a #qt room?
Jun 02 18:32:00 * frals trouts noobmonk3y
Jun 02 18:32:04 <frals> yes, #qt
Jun 02 18:32:07 <frals> :P
Jun 02 18:32:19 <frals> a bunch of them actually
Jun 02 18:32:30 * noobmonk3y giggles
Jun 02 18:32:47 <Mece> lol
Jun 02 18:33:29 <Mece> noobmonk3y, are you being qt?
Jun 02 18:33:45 <w00t_> frals: lo
Jun 02 18:33:58 <w00t_> how goes? ;p
Jun 02 18:34:01 <frals> ello, just booting up my vm with sb
Jun 02 18:34:49 <noobmonk3y> Mece,  i'm failing qt
Jun 02 18:35:03 <noobmonk3y> cannot find one working example of QtMultimedia.QAudioDeviceInfo.defaultInputDevice anywhere on an n900 :(
Jun 02 18:36:18 <noobmonk3y> the demo code translated works - but looks like pyqt has a big bug - it doesnt like being in the same room as pulseaudio ... so basically... #fail
Jun 02 18:36:26 <noobmonk3y> sry qt has a big bug
Jun 02 18:36:32 <GAN900> RST38h, lol
Jun 02 18:37:51 <Lynoure> noobmonk3y: Has pulseaudio done their share for compatability?
Jun 02 18:38:11 <Mece> uff low battery. bbl.
Jun 02 18:38:40 <Lynoure> noobmonk3y: Or you, to make it work? :)
Jun 02 18:39:48 <xDaReaperx> guys is the opera 10 mobile for maemo released on the Opera website officially ?
Jun 02 18:39:50 <Lynoure> But yeah, as N900 has pulseaudio, that's a bit of a problem, though I have heard of people having Qt apps still happily play sounds.
Jun 02 18:40:08 <Lynoure> I guess they sacrificed their chickens well. :)
Jun 02 18:41:07 <petteri> xDaReaperx: no
Jun 02 18:41:47 <frals> w00t_: did you get it to show up properly in sb?
Jun 02 18:41:48 <xDaReaperx> ok
Jun 02 18:42:31 <w00t_> frals: no
Jun 02 18:42:35 <noobmonk3y> Lynoure,  lol done my part in the coding
Jun 02 18:42:38 <w00t_> frals: works on device though, so.. *shrug*
Jun 02 18:42:42 <noobmonk3y> but not detecting input devices
Jun 02 18:42:45 <frals> w00t_: lol, alright
Jun 02 18:43:01 <frals> w00t_: gonna compile and test on device as well then, min
Jun 02 18:43:28 <noobmonk3y> Lynoure, there is a bug on the qt pages relating to pulseaudio problems - so i'm just assuming though
Jun 02 18:43:38 <w00t_> frals: to get it working on device, you need to install the shared objects, then run hildon-im-recache, then:
Jun 02 18:43:54 <noobmonk3y> Lynoure, can play sounds fine just not get the mic using qt i think
Jun 02 18:43:55 <tybollt> yes frals
Jun 02 18:43:56 <w00t_> gconftool -s --type string /apps/osso/inputmethod/default-plugins/finger <pluginname>
Jun 02 18:43:57 <noobmonk3y> tis really odd
Jun 02 18:44:02 <w00t_> gconftool -s --type string /apps/osso/inputmethod/default-plugins/stylus <pluginname>
Jun 02 18:44:04 <tybollt> are are you moving fmms to qt? :)
Jun 02 18:44:06 <xDaReaperx> ah opera for N900 is available at opera labs
Jun 02 18:44:11 <w00t_> (as far as I can figure out, you need both finger and stylus set)
Jun 02 18:44:20 * tybollt qt's frals
Jun 02 18:44:21 <w00t_> also note, you may need to reboot your n900
Jun 02 18:44:29 <frals> tybollt: no, why would i? :)
Jun 02 18:44:49 <frals> w00t_: roger, building package now
Jun 02 18:45:01 <frals> (everytime i do this i realise how much i love python)
Jun 02 18:45:07 <w00t_> it's not that bad
Jun 02 18:45:11 <w00t_> compiling gives you time to think
Jun 02 18:45:13 <tybollt> frals: it
Jun 02 18:45:18 <w00t_> (and procrastinate on IRC)
Jun 02 18:45:19 <tybollt> frals: it's ze future!111
Jun 02 18:45:32 <tybollt> pyqt? :)
Jun 02 18:45:50 <w00t_> plus, C++ means that your app won't explode horribly because you passed something an integer when it wanted a string, 5 minutes into testing :-P
Jun 02 18:45:50 <MohammadAG> ze future sucks, i want to go back to inventing the wheel
Jun 02 18:45:58 <MohammadAG> at least they had trouts at lunch each day
Jun 02 18:45:59 * noobmonk3y re-invents the trout
Jun 02 18:46:02 <frals> tybollt: not for something that is working perfectly fine for the targeted os and wont be used elsewhere ;)
Jun 02 18:46:03 <MohammadAG> see
Jun 02 18:46:05 <w00t_> (I do like python though! kidding! Kidding!)
Jun 02 18:46:16 * noobmonk3y likes python and is hating qt
Jun 02 18:46:26 * noobmonk3y wants someone clever to fix qt
Jun 02 18:46:29 * noobmonk3y looks at w00t
Jun 02 18:46:33 <noobmonk3y> w00t_, even
Jun 02 18:46:37 * MohammadAG looks at infobot 
Jun 02 18:46:38 <w00t_> noobmonk3y: arggh I'm already doing two things at once atm :P
Jun 02 18:46:41 * noobmonk3y slaps infobot 
Jun 02 18:46:48 * w00t_ is working on qt-community and talking to frals about keyboards
Jun 02 18:46:48 <noobmonk3y> w00t_, not good enough lol
Jun 02 18:46:50 <MohammadAG> I wish that was our bot
Jun 02 18:46:59 * noobmonk3y grins
Jun 02 18:47:45 <frals> note to self; armel.deb is the one you want, not i386 :<
Jun 02 18:47:49 <w00t_> hahaha
Jun 02 18:47:52 <w00t_> I make that mistake all the time
Jun 02 18:48:15 <MohammadAG> I just change arch to armel only, fixes the problem
Jun 02 18:48:16 <MohammadAG> :)
Jun 02 18:48:36 <w00t_> I work on both, so not so easy :-P
Jun 02 18:48:42 <frals> interesting that it installed a lot more plugins on armel than on i386
Jun 02 18:48:53 <RST38h> hmmm, no more unlim data plans on at&t?
Jun 02 18:48:55 <w00t_> ..then again, i also manage to do things like sshing to the wrong n900..
Jun 02 18:49:04 <frals> w00t_: i know that feeling :(
Jun 02 18:49:22 * frals has renamed the saved sessions to be at top/bottom of session list
Jun 02 18:49:47 <frals> so enabling vkb seems like a good first step
Jun 02 18:49:53 <w00t_> haha, yes
Jun 02 18:49:55 <w00t_> you need to do that too
Jun 02 18:50:33 <frals> suggested app to test it in? ;o
Jun 02 18:51:06 <frals> ah ill do a python app which is in portrait
Jun 02 18:52:31 <frals> reboot.. no vkb at all atm :P
Jun 02 18:54:09 <Lynoure> noobmonk3y: ah, then it's better than last when I heard :)
Jun 02 18:54:15 <noobmonk3y> lol
Jun 02 18:54:31 * noobmonk3y is still battling with it - gotta be a fix by now :(
Jun 02 18:55:06 <Lynoure> I'm still waiting for any reaction to the patch I submitted (to a smaller problem, though)
Jun 02 18:55:09 <frals> w00t_: this seems to work pretty good
Jun 02 18:55:20 <w00t_> frals: yes indeedy.. problems, as i see it:
Jun 02 18:55:21 <noobmonk3y> for qt? :P
Jun 02 18:55:22 <w00t_> - packaging
Jun 02 18:55:24 <Lynoure> So I'm under the impression fixes don't happen fast in Qt.
Jun 02 18:55:28 <Lynoure> noobmonk3y: yup
Jun 02 18:55:29 <noobmonk3y> ahhhh
Jun 02 18:55:31 <w00t_> - some way to avoid a million presses
Jun 02 18:55:35 <noobmonk3y> big things move slowly
Jun 02 18:55:35 <w00t_> (T9, or other)
Jun 02 18:55:43 * noobmonk3y is soooo close to getting it working though
Jun 02 18:55:49 <Lynoure> noobmonk3y: But this was just a 2 line fix =)
Jun 02 18:55:50 <w00t_> frals: thoughts?
Jun 02 18:55:51 <noobmonk3y> just.....cant..........give.......up
Jun 02 18:56:11 <w00t_> Lynoure: what patch?
Jun 02 18:56:14 <noobmonk3y> if i kill pulseaudio on the n900 will that fcuk up the device?
Jun 02 18:56:15 <frals> w00t_: mhm, packaging should be solveable
Jun 02 18:56:18 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> yall gota the n900?
Jun 02 18:56:21 <xDaReaperx> hi , did anyone try out browser-switch ?
Jun 02 18:56:24 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> if so, then what provider are you using?
Jun 02 18:56:25 <Lynoure> w00t_: wait, I'll check the bug number.
Jun 02 18:56:27 <noobmonk3y> ljsdofuynsdfufuh,  yes
Jun 02 18:56:30 <xDaReaperx> yes
Jun 02 18:56:33 <w00t_> Lynoure: please =) i'll try bump the appropriate people
Jun 02 18:56:45 <w00t_> Lynoure: note though that you will be asked to submit a merge request
Jun 02 18:56:50 <frals> w00t_: t9 would be nice, but i saw someone who said he had a working t9 somewhere on talk, should be able to use his code hopefully
Jun 02 18:57:12 <frals> ok doesnt work too good in browser :\
Jun 02 18:57:16 <w00t_> Lynoure: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/pages/QtContributionGuidelines
Jun 02 18:57:17 * noobmonk3y wonders how to kill pulseaudio
Jun 02 18:57:21 <w00t_> frals: really? worked OK for me..
Jun 02 18:57:24 * w00t_ tries
Jun 02 18:57:25 <frals> oh it did
Jun 02 18:57:34 <frals> it was just thinking it was in landscape mode at first
Jun 02 18:57:39 <frals> picking the phone up sorted it
Jun 02 18:57:44 <w00t_> frals: the only oddness i've noticed was from using the hw and sw keyboard at the same time. sometimes.
Jun 02 18:58:02 <GAN900> RST38h, thank goodness they're grandfathering
Jun 02 18:58:14 <w00t_> frals: shall we give it a go, then? i'm game if you are.. :)
Jun 02 18:58:38 <frals> yeah im up for it, i got a few days of doing nothing before leaving the country ;)
Jun 02 19:00:24 <Lynoure> w00t_: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-10974
Jun 02 19:00:29 <noobmonk3y> wtf 13 dead in UK shootout
Jun 02 19:00:34 <noobmonk3y> thats fcuked up
Jun 02 19:00:57 <w00t_> Lynoure: can you pop into #qt-labs for me?
Jun 02 19:01:14 <Lynoure> w00t_: sure
Jun 02 19:02:00 <noobmonk3y> ffs x-chat died too
Jun 02 19:02:28 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> yo
Jun 02 19:02:55 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> n900 - which providers do you guys use with it?
Jun 02 19:03:04 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> it doesn't seem to be supported by mine
Jun 02 19:03:23 <noobmonk3y> uk vodafone
Jun 02 19:03:29 <SpeedEvil> UK T-mobile
Jun 02 19:03:44 <microlith> US AT&T
Jun 02 19:03:46 <frals> w00t_: basically packaging is just changing the control file to indicate new maintainer i recon, right?
Jun 02 19:03:54 <w00t_> frals: I don't think so
Jun 02 19:04:05 <microlith> ljsdofuynsdfufuh: who is your provider?
Jun 02 19:04:13 <w00t_> frals: it doesn't install the plugins afaik(?) and it also doesn't configure them through gconf and other magic
Jun 02 19:04:20 <w00t_> we'd need to figure that out
Jun 02 19:04:21 <w00t_> ..somehow
Jun 02 19:04:31 <frals> w00t_: plugins are installed in postinst
Jun 02 19:04:37 <w00t_> ah, I didn't notice
Jun 02 19:04:39 <xDaReaperx> how come the N900 dosent support some network providers ?
Jun 02 19:04:40 <w00t_> that simplifies that then
Jun 02 19:04:40 <frals> the gconf stuff needs to be done i guess
Jun 02 19:04:44 <w00t_> yeah
Jun 02 19:04:56 <w00t_> and also a phone reboot (erm.) or prompt for one (much friendlier)
Jun 02 19:05:23 <frals> hmm
Jun 02 19:05:28 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> microlith, sprint
Jun 02 19:05:32 <frals> should probably provide something to change it back to normal
Jun 02 19:06:25 <ljsdofuynsdfufuh> can you get the n900 subsidized from any providers?
Jun 02 19:07:21 <v13> Is there any way to do the "sliding" effect like the image viewer does when switching images?
Jun 02 19:07:22 <microlith> ljsdofuynsdfufuh: Sprint uses CDMA, not GSM. The N900 will not operate on their network. And no US carriers offer a subsidized N900.
Jun 02 19:07:48 <v13> (programmatically)
Jun 02 19:10:54 <w00t_> frals: could do that in uninstall target (maybe? no idea, i'm a packaging n00b)
Jun 02 19:11:18 <frals> yeah could add it in prerm
Jun 02 19:11:40 <frals> god you commited a bunch of less than useful files in initial commit :D
Jun 02 19:17:20 <thresh> meh, suse meego
Jun 02 19:18:18 <Robot101> thresh: there's no such thing - you have to use the meego.com packages to call it meego
Jun 02 19:18:39 <Robot101> thresh: ie, novell have been working on the same version intel are shipping
Jun 02 19:19:27 <thresh> so, they are a part of meego as weel?
Jun 02 19:19:28 <thresh> well
Jun 02 19:19:52 <Robot101> yes basically
Jun 02 19:23:53 * b-man|laptop is going nutz
Jun 02 19:24:15 <b-man|laptop> have you guys had any issues with zypper hanging in meego?
Jun 02 19:26:41 * thresh wants apt for rpm
Jun 02 19:26:47 <thresh> well, apt-rpm to be exact
Jun 02 19:33:38 <frals> w00t_: think ive sorted packaging now, everything cept asking for a reboot
Jun 02 19:33:58 <w00t_> :o!
Jun 02 19:34:01 <w00t_> nice
Jun 02 19:34:16 <frals> tis was like 4 lines ;D
Jun 02 19:35:44 <frals> seems to work alright, ill push the changes in a sec
Jun 02 19:36:47 <Corsac> hmmh, is there a way to NOT to-post in modest?
Jun 02 19:37:12 <frals> w00t_: lets pray i didnt commit a bunch of junk now... ;o
Jun 02 19:37:29 <frals> seems to have worked; http://gitorious.org/hildon-portrait-keyboard/hildon-portrait-keyboard/commit/60c9471c75a682f271076c459b110c38f20507c5
Jun 02 19:37:49 <savant42> greetings
Jun 02 19:37:54 <MohammadAG> ~seen lcuk
Jun 02 19:37:57 <infobot> lcuk <~user@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 19h 13m 3s ago, saying: 'gnite'.
Jun 02 19:38:11 <frals> MohammadAG: hes on vacation!
Jun 02 19:38:30 <savant42> Does it mean I seriously hosed something if I have no sound for mp3s, etc, on a fresh reflash of maemo 5 USA? I've not had this n900 for 24 hours and Ive broken it.
Jun 02 19:38:31 <MohammadAG> he didn't say that!
Jun 02 19:38:49 <frals> knew the bastard wouldnt be able to stay off irc
Jun 02 19:38:56 <w00t_> frals: let me seeee
Jun 02 19:39:08 <MohammadAG> savant42, or it could be hosed before you even got it :)
Jun 02 19:39:23 <savant42> it was NIB! :(
Jun 02 19:39:29 <savant42> I know I've heard audio out of this before
Jun 02 19:39:34 <w00t_> frals: maintainer needs changing too
Jun 02 19:39:42 <savant42> but I goofed and installed a bunch of stuff to rootfs and openssh stopped taking connections
Jun 02 19:39:43 <Cabletwitch> Yo
Jun 02 19:39:48 <MohammadAG> well, my vibration motor broke after a day
Jun 02 19:39:55 <savant42> so I reflashed it, not eMMC, and it seems more stable, but no dice on the audio
Jun 02 19:40:02 <savant42> oddly, the nokia handholding tone works on boot
Jun 02 19:40:02 <MohammadAG> and it was new in box, shipped from amazon US to IL (not the state)
Jun 02 19:40:03 <Cabletwitch> Is the bloke what does fMMS about?
Jun 02 19:40:10 <MohammadAG> er
Jun 02 19:40:18 <w00t_> Cabletwitch: you want frals, but he's mine at the moment
Jun 02 19:40:20 <MohammadAG> stupid question, but did you check volume?
Jun 02 19:40:24 <w00t_> :-P
Jun 02 19:40:26 <frals> w00t_: we should probably rename the whole package tbh
Jun 02 19:40:35 <w00t_> frals: what's the current name?
Jun 02 19:40:39 * w00t_ didn't look
Jun 02 19:40:46 <frals> w00t_: Package: hildon-input-method-plugins-example
Jun 02 19:40:49 <w00t_> hahaha.
Jun 02 19:40:49 <w00t_> yes
Jun 02 19:40:51 <w00t_> we should
Jun 02 19:40:55 <frals> Cabletwitch: that be me
Jun 02 19:40:56 <w00t_> and probably remove the other VKBs from it, too
Jun 02 19:41:03 <frals> w00t_: yes :)
Jun 02 19:41:25 <savant42> MohammadAG: yes, checked volume, checked silent mode
Jun 02 19:41:26 * w00t_ will look into finding T9 code soon, just finishing up a few Qt bits
Jun 02 19:41:41 <w00t_> (http://gitorious.org/qt-community - if you're curious)
Jun 02 19:41:50 <frals> w00t_: ill start renaming stuff and hope i dont break anything
Jun 02 19:41:53 <w00t_> ok
Jun 02 19:42:06 <Cabletwitch> Frals: Nothing major, bud. Do get the APN info for my network, or does it actually get it by itself?
Jun 02 19:42:06 <MohammadAG> well
Jun 02 19:42:12 <MohammadAG> if the startup sound works
Jun 02 19:42:18 <xDaReaperx> Whats QT ?
Jun 02 19:42:21 <MohammadAG> it's not a HW error
Jun 02 19:42:24 <frals> w00t_: id prefer if you cleaned up the git repo from old build files and stuff that gets generated at buildtime if you can :)
Jun 02 19:42:42 <MohammadAG> xDaReaperx, it's something evil, that was made to kill gtk
Jun 02 19:42:43 <frals> Cabletwitch: from settings on the phone if possible, otherwise they have to be manually configured
Jun 02 19:42:54 <w00t_> frals: egh. I'll try, but no guarentees
Jun 02 19:42:58 <w00t_> me and autotools don't get on :-D
Jun 02 19:43:03 <MohammadAG> It failed - or so I hope :)
Jun 02 19:43:11 <xDaReaperx> Oh ok
Jun 02 19:43:37 <frals> w00t_: i know that feeling.. i finally setup stuff to be done properly for fmms last week after throwing out probably 30 different packages in different ways :P
Jun 02 19:44:10 <Cabletwitch> Frals: Next easy question... where would they be on the phone? :O)
Jun 02 19:44:24 <frals> /etc/operator_settings
Jun 02 19:44:34 <savant42> so, if I wanted to go all the way back to a default state, would I have to flash: Fiasco -> eMMc -> pr1.2 ?
Jun 02 19:44:49 <frals> thats where fmms gets them from, if they dont show up in fmms i suggest looking at wiki.maemo.org/MMS ;)
Jun 02 19:44:51 <Cabletwitch> Alrighty
Jun 02 19:44:52 <xDaReaperx> oh the date picker thingy and all are running with QT ?
Jun 02 19:44:57 <mikki-kun> hm, is kernel-power from extras-testing "safe" to use it or does it crash the device badly? (i know, it's testing, but still many apps are rock-solid there...)
Jun 02 19:45:12 <thresh> works here on Pr12
Jun 02 19:46:09 <w00t_> frals: hmm.. which files? everything looks fairly ok
Jun 02 19:46:41 <frals> config.guess
Jun 02 19:46:52 <w00t_> ah, hmm.
Jun 02 19:47:05 <frals> config.* and debian/build/*
Jun 02 19:47:16 <frals> config* rather, i think
Jun 02 19:47:30 <frals> err no, configure.ac should be there most likely
Jun 02 19:47:51 <frals> #       modified:   config.guess
Jun 02 19:47:51 <frals> #       modified:   config.sub
Jun 02 19:47:51 <frals> #       modified:   configure
Jun 02 19:48:08 <thunderfest> hello all
Jun 02 19:48:26 <Cabletwitch> Ok, question from the clueless again... best way to open and read the operator settings file?
Jun 02 19:48:58 * Cabletwitch is far too used to being given a choice of program when opening unknown files in windows...
Jun 02 19:49:27 <v13> notepad
Jun 02 19:49:35 <Cabletwitch> Oh, I wish.
Jun 02 19:49:45 <thunderfest> a settings file it pry just plain text so notepad?
Jun 02 19:49:58 <v13> is builder down ?
Jun 02 19:50:36 <Cabletwitch> If you mean the notes app on the N900, then that cant navigate anything that isnt a user folder.
Jun 02 19:50:58 <v13> open terminal, type "cat /etc/operator_settings"
Jun 02 19:51:03 <v13> without the quotes
Jun 02 19:51:12 <Cabletwitch> Gotcha.
Jun 02 19:51:19 <v13> also try "more" instead of "cat"
Jun 02 19:51:26 <thunderfest> I meant notepad on windows
Jun 02 19:51:47 <thunderfest> so I'm trying to get scratchbox set up on a pc running ubuntu 10.04  but it keeps failing due to dependency errors...has anyone setup up scratchbox since pr1.2 or on ubuntu 10.04?
Jun 02 19:51:48 <w00t_> frals: pushed
Jun 02 19:52:19 <v13> thunderfest you can always use the vmware image. it works with qemu/kvm too
Jun 02 19:53:13 <thunderfest> I quite like scratchbox and have been using it for some time now
Jun 02 19:53:28 <v13> the vmware image is a linux distro (ubuntu) with scratchbox.
Jun 02 19:53:54 <noctule> thunderfest: had it running okay before I switched to Fedora last week
Jun 02 19:54:45 <noctule> Haven't got it running on Fedora properly, but that could be down to me being an idiot
Jun 02 19:55:11 <thunderfest> will the vmware image run under virtualbox?
Jun 02 19:55:17 <thunderfest> where can I find it?
Jun 02 19:56:04 <v13> http://tinyurl.com/22qtctk
Jun 02 19:56:05 <Jiri> I am having i trouble installing the latest update to my n900
Jun 02 19:56:12 <thunderfest> I've set scracthbox up on a few machine so far and it never gave me any issues before
Jun 02 19:56:38 <Jiri> all the time it says "not enought memory" even though i have delete most of my progs
Jun 02 19:57:11 <Jiri> the istallation need 113mb where i can check how much i have this free memory?
Jun 02 19:58:11 <thunderfest> v13: thanks for the link
Jun 02 19:58:31 <pupnik> Jiri: how are you invoking the update?
Jun 02 19:58:42 <v13> :P
Jun 02 19:59:15 <Cabletwitch> Eh, I can find a few references to vodafone mms, but surely fMMS should be able to pick that up from the file, no:
Jun 02 19:59:16 <Cabletwitch> ?
Jun 02 19:59:25 <noctule> Jiri: have you disabled devel and testing?
Jun 02 19:59:32 <Jiri> pupnik with wireless connection
Jun 02 19:59:42 <Jiri> noctule yes i have disable them.
Jun 02 19:59:46 <v13> thunderfest: download the desktop image. the server has no gui.
Jun 02 20:00:16 <noctule> Jiri: apologies, I always check the basics first =)
Jun 02 20:00:22 <frals> cool w00t_
Jun 02 20:00:30 <frals> (i broke something localy when renaming stuff :D)
Jun 02 20:00:33 <Jiri> don't worry
Jun 02 20:00:34 <w00t_> lol
Jun 02 20:00:43 <Jiri> i try to clean the rootfs
Jun 02 20:00:51 <pupnik> Jiri: are you using the hildon application manager and clicking the maemo5 update?
Jun 02 20:00:51 <Jiri> but without no luck
Jun 02 20:00:55 <thunderfest> v13: I know what server means thanks...and I don't need a gui I just need to get to the scratchbox terminal
Jun 02 20:01:07 <Jiri> pupnik hildon?
Jun 02 20:01:28 <pupnik> ok you are nm
Jun 02 20:01:32 <v13> i tried the server once but failed. But it was my first time and I didn't know how to use sb. Perhaps you'll have better luck with that.
Jun 02 20:02:04 <v13> thunderfest: I'm now using the desktop because of that.
Jun 02 20:02:25 <v13> nm ?
Jun 02 20:02:26 <Cabletwitch> I'll bugger about with fMMS tomorrow, I think :O)
Jun 02 20:02:36 <thunderfest> really I just want to get scratchbox up and running on this local machine. I'd rather not have to run a virtual anything
Jun 02 20:02:51 <thunderfest> v13 is windows your host os?
Jun 02 20:02:59 <v13> thunderfest: linux
Jun 02 20:03:06 <frals> Cabletwitch: why do you want to read /etc/operator_settings? ;)
Jun 02 20:03:26 <Cabletwitch> You said the MMS settings could be found there?
Jun 02 20:03:53 <frals> its used internally by fMMS, if they dont show up in fMMS they are most likely not there for your operator ;)
Jun 02 20:04:05 <frals> if you want to find settings, look at wiki.maemo.org/MMS :)
Jun 02 20:04:16 <Cabletwitch> I did find something I think was what I was after, buts presented in such a way thats it requires a degree in astrophysics to decipher.
Jun 02 20:04:34 <Cabletwitch> Vodafone UK, they're there alright.
Jun 02 20:04:50 <frals> and fmms doesnt pick them up?
Jun 02 20:05:02 <frals> (from /etc/operator_settings)
Jun 02 20:05:07 <Cabletwitch> Nothing so far.
Jun 02 20:05:19 <frals> alright will have to look at that at some point
Jun 02 20:05:28 <frals> just enter them manually in the config, they should be listed on the wiki page
Jun 02 20:06:11 <alterego> So, those USB host modders, have they found a way around BME?
Jun 02 20:06:34 <Jiri> i Managed to find out that i have rootfs 227,9 195,3 avaiable 28,4mb
Jun 02 20:06:56 <Jiri> i have allready deleted the largest programs why is that so low still
Jun 02 20:07:21 <SpeedEvil> alterego: kill it.
Jun 02 20:07:27 <SpeedEvil> alterego: Alternatively, lie to it.
Jun 02 20:07:37 <SpeedEvil> alterego: That is - a virtualisation attack.
Jun 02 20:08:04 <Jiri> i have many small programs which size is kb but still the rootfs is pretty much used
Jun 02 20:08:20 <v13> check if you have qt 4.6 installed.
Jun 02 20:08:26 <v13> webkit and others take too much space
Jun 02 20:08:27 <noctule> Jiri: Did you grab anything that isn't optified?
Jun 02 20:08:29 <thunderfest> looks like the vmware images are based off of karmic and not Lucid
Jun 02 20:08:30 <brendans> jiri: Have you installed things with apt-get? Might want to issue apt-get clean
Jun 02 20:08:59 <Jiri> optified?
Jun 02 20:09:27 <v13> gn
Jun 02 20:09:40 <Jiri> brenadas: i tried that apt-get clean but it says that the folder is locked
Jun 02 20:10:05 <noctule> Jiri: A lot of programs in devel didn't use the /opt directory for installing
Jun 02 20:10:39 <Jiri> v13 what is qt 4.6? which program?
Jun 02 20:11:32 <Cabletwitch> Well, settings are all plugged in... there should be an mms waiting for me somewhere.
Jun 02 20:12:06 <Cabletwitch> Also, there is no 'always ask' checkbox, the wiki is a bit incorrect.
Jun 02 20:12:47 <Cabletwitch> Prompt password and use proxy, I mean.
Jun 02 20:13:13 <noctule> Jiri: do a quick search through your apps to see if any of them mention Qt. It's the library that is being used by a lot of applications nowadays
Jun 02 20:13:18 <Jiri> could someone please help me trough this in private, I am little bit confused because all the people are saying diffrent things. Please pm me!
Jun 02 20:13:47 <frals> w00t_: nuking Makefile.in was bad, i think :D
Jun 02 20:13:55 <pupnik> jir
Jun 02 20:13:58 <w00t_> frals: I don't think so, I did so on good advice
Jun 02 20:13:59 <frals> w00t_: config.status: error: cannot find input file: Makefile.in
Jun 02 20:14:16 <w00t_> rerunning autogen.sh should fix that, I think
Jun 02 20:14:21 <frals> ah, alright
Jun 02 20:14:23 <pupnik> Jiri: to run apt-get clean you must be root and the application manager must be closed
Jun 02 20:14:38 <frals> bah, i probably broke something
Jun 02 20:15:01 <brendans> jiri: what pupnik said; sorry, I just noticed the response
Jun 02 20:15:07 <frals> reset --hard and verify everything works without me messing with it i think :P
Jun 02 20:15:15 * w00t_ tries also
Jun 02 20:15:42 <xDaReaperx> is there a PS1 emulator for the N900 ?
Jun 02 20:16:07 <frals> w00t_: let me know if it works for you, not working for me :p
Jun 02 20:16:20 <w00t_> let me guess: gl_FUNC_ARGZ
Jun 02 20:16:23 <frals> yeah
Jun 02 20:16:30 <w00t_> I ran into this yesterday, I never found a conclusion
Jun 02 20:16:32 <w00t_> Stskeeps: you there?
Jun 02 20:16:45 <w00t_> you know all, so you will know the solution :-P
Jun 02 20:18:08 <frals> w00t_: seems we need libtool2, link on google to discussion here back in november :P
Jun 02 20:18:17 <frals> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-11-04.log.html#t2009-11-04T01:06:35
Jun 02 20:18:33 <w00t_> gnrrh
Jun 02 20:18:43 <w00t_> let me try something
Jun 02 20:19:00 <digitalsurgeon1> .
Jun 02 20:19:42 <w00t_> yay i think that will work
Jun 02 20:20:29 <w00t_> frals: think that works, hold on.. testing
Jun 02 20:20:44 <w00t_> yup
Jun 02 20:20:46 <frals> push when you verified, need to fetch some dinner :)
Jun 02 20:20:48 <w00t_> pushed
Jun 02 20:22:06 <frals> 14 files changed, 24740 insertions(+), 20281 deletions(-) :D
Jun 02 20:24:13 <Robot101> if this file is generated, it should not be in VCS. :P
Jun 02 20:27:59 <thresh> how do I preload maps into ovi maps ?
Jun 02 20:28:05 <microlith> mmm, checking in .o files :D
Jun 02 20:32:58 <frals> w00t_: what do we want to call the package? :P
Jun 02 20:33:20 <w00t_> frals: hildon-portrait-keyboard? I'm unimaginative :-p
Jun 02 20:33:39 <frals> not sure if we should include 'hildon' in the name, dunno the policy on that
Jun 02 20:34:44 <MohammadAG> hildon(R)-portrait-keyboard :P
Jun 02 20:34:57 <MohammadAG> (sadly that will get rejected by dpkg-buildpackage)
Jun 02 20:35:22 <frals> portrait-keyboard then? ;o
Jun 02 20:36:36 <w00t_> works for me
Jun 02 20:36:42 <w00t_> (and that is grr. :P)
Jun 02 20:42:24 <alterego> Well, I'm almost ready to debianize this app :D
Jun 02 20:42:29 <thresh> yay for nookla
Jun 02 20:42:33 <red> any idea how i could modify fbreader colors?
Jun 02 20:42:38 <thresh> for providing *working* map loader for OSX
Jun 02 20:45:06 <red> n900 terminal needs find pff
Jun 02 20:45:26 <brendans> red: It's in the options for fbreader; there are a ton of tabs, you'll need to scroll right
Jun 02 20:45:39 <mikki-kun> hm, anybody an idea why i don't have /usr/sbin/kernel-load on my device although i have kernel-power installed (kernel-power is v37)
Jun 02 20:45:56 <brendans> red: e.g. I often set it with red text on a black background because it's better for night reading... doesn't kill my night vision as much
Jun 02 20:46:25 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Red text on black??
Jun 02 20:46:29 <mikki-kun> ohh, ok, seems as i forgot to execute one command...
Jun 02 20:46:30 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Never heard that one before
Jun 02 20:46:50 <brendans> I find it works. Looks a bit weird with mobi books that have images though
Jun 02 20:47:01 <red> brendans: oh lol didnt realize that
Jun 02 20:47:03 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Yellow on dark blue is where it's at
Jun 02 20:47:13 <red> i also want red on black since i read at night
Jun 02 20:47:15 <brendans> often white on black, depending on the day
Jun 02 20:47:45 <brendans> Gadgetoid_iPad: Interesting... I may have to try that
Jun 02 20:47:45 <red> red color doesnt kill dark eyesight
Jun 02 20:48:16 <Gadgetoid_iPad> brendans: It's a scientifically accurate method of achieving high contrast
Jun 02 20:48:26 <brendans> red: Yeah, I mean it only sort of works, because even at full black the screen lets a bit of the backlight through. Better than some of the other options though
Jun 02 20:48:39 <SpeedEvil> brendans: Oooh
Jun 02 20:48:48 <Gadgetoid_iPad> As yellow/blue trigger different parts of the eyes optical receptors- I believe
Jun 02 20:49:48 <brendans> Gadgetoid_iPad: lol, that's officially my favourite phrase of the day; reminds me of the XKCD shirt http://store.xkcd.com/xkcd/#Science
Jun 02 20:50:05 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Black level on the ipad is good, but the backlight wont dial down enough- gah
Jun 02 20:50:52 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Hahaha @ "science, it works bitches"
Jun 02 20:51:09 <brendans> Gadgetoid_iPad: That's entirely why I'm doing my degree in the first place, just so I can walk around and say whatever I want :D
Jun 02 20:51:20 <SpeedEvil> brendans: echo 2 >/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness
Jun 02 20:51:26 <brendans> Gadgetoid_iPad: I forget, is the iPad OLED?
Jun 02 20:51:30 <Gadgetoid_iPad> I am wholly unqualified, hurrah for me
Jun 02 20:51:40 <brendans> SpeedEvil: handy, thanks
Jun 02 20:51:41 <SpeedEvil> brendans: will set it to the dimmest mode. Which is somewhat dimmer than available through the UI
Jun 02 20:51:45 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Nope, it's an IPS lcd panel
Jun 02 20:51:55 <SpeedEvil> brendans: add that as a 'queen beecon' onto the desktop
Jun 02 20:51:59 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Very, very nice screen... But it sucks for nighttime reading
Jun 02 20:52:00 <brendans> Gadgetoid_iPad: Ah, k
Jun 02 20:52:18 <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_iPad: too bright?
Jun 02 20:52:22 <red> brendans: the bleed is to be expected, but its not that bad on lowest brightness tbh
Jun 02 20:52:25 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Fbreader is king
Jun 02 20:52:27 <brendans> SpeedEvil: Good idea
Jun 02 20:52:35 <Gadgetoid_iPad> SpeedEvil: Aye
Jun 02 20:52:39 <brendans> red: Yeah, fair enough
Jun 02 20:52:44 <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_iPad: Sunglasses. :)
Jun 02 20:52:48 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Also the whole thing is too big to fall asleep reading
Jun 02 20:52:51 <red> i also like droid sans over regular :)
Jun 02 20:52:58 <brendans> anyone know how to adjust the aggressiveness of the ambient light sensor to do the same thing automatically?
Jun 02 20:53:04 <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_iPad: yeah - fbreader works great for that.
Jun 02 20:53:18 * SpeedEvil suspects it's 'Important nokia IP'
Jun 02 20:53:21 * SpeedEvil sighs.
Jun 02 20:53:25 <SpeedEvil> ~closed
Jun 02 20:53:26 <infobot> methinks closed is http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages
Jun 02 20:53:59 <Gadgetoid_iPad> I have never found anything better than fbreader on the n810... The rocker switch is just in the right place and the stand works as a hand strap
Jun 02 20:54:23 <SpeedEvil> I find the screen works well - fingertap
Jun 02 20:54:35 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Plus the better brightness util on the n810 is excellent
Jun 02 20:55:01 <brendans> Gadgetoid_iPad: I used to use my n800 stand as a hand strap all the time... now I just took a wiimote strap and threaded it through the n900's clip
Jun 02 20:55:19 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Can't seem to get the same finesse on the n900s brightness
Jun 02 20:55:23 <luke-jr> lol
Jun 02 20:55:54 <Gadgetoid_iPad> That's a good idea there brendans
Jun 02 20:56:21 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Not like I actually use wii controllers to play wii games.... Haha a preposterous notion!
Jun 02 20:56:24 <brendans> Gadgetoid_iPad: Yeah, I don't use it on the wiimote anyway, since I don't own a wii, and the wiimote is mostly used as a gyro mouse
Jun 02 20:56:38 <brendans> hence less risk of throwing it across the room
Jun 02 20:57:19 <brendans> plus, the wiimote strap has the awesome locking clip, so I can feel moderately assured of not dropping the n900
Jun 02 20:57:29 <Gadgetoid_iPad> I think my neighbour was playing wii earlier....either that or trying to box flies
Jun 02 20:57:41 <SpeedEvil> brendans: you mean through the lanyard hole?
Jun 02 20:58:07 <brendans> SpeedEvil: Yes, exactly; I was trying to phrase it without it sounding strange
Jun 02 20:58:09 <Gadgetoid_iPad> I keep dropping my n900, it lives on
Jun 02 20:58:26 <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_iPad: I've once accidentally thrown it across the room.
Jun 02 20:58:49 <brendans> Gadgetoid_iPad: I'm in Canada with one ordered from the US, so I'm moderately paranoid about issues that may lead to warranty service
Jun 02 20:58:52 <Gadgetoid_iPad> It's a pretty tough phone, surprisingly... Not having a sheet of freaking glass probably helps
Jun 02 20:58:53 <brendans> (or lack thereof)
Jun 02 20:58:58 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, err, how?
Jun 02 20:59:04 <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_iPad: It has a sheet of glass.
Jun 02 20:59:08 <SpeedEvil> Proabbly 3 even
Jun 02 20:59:17 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: I was in bed - and flipped off the covers
Jun 02 20:59:19 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Ah Canuck eh.... I'm a quarter!
Jun 02 20:59:20 <SpeedEvil> And the n900
Jun 02 20:59:27 <Gadgetoid_iPad> It does? Whatwhatwhat
Jun 02 20:59:40 <johnsq> Hi
Jun 02 20:59:42 <MohammadAG> ouch
Jun 02 20:59:46 <Gadgetoid_iPad> The glass must be under the restive doodad then
Jun 02 20:59:58 <ShadowJK> but the sheets of glass are surrounded by plastics :)
Jun 02 21:00:04 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Less susceptible to shock
Jun 02 21:00:04 <brendans> <obligatory gorilla glass reference/>
Jun 02 21:00:07 <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_iPad: the touchpad has one 0.3mm or so layer of plastic. Then ~1.5mm of glass, then another couple of sheets on the display
Jun 02 21:01:06 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Interesting
Jun 02 21:01:16 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Curry just arrived hurrah
Jun 02 21:01:52 <Gadgetoid_iPad> As usual the complimentary salad looks like the garbage bag from a vegan restaurant
Jun 02 21:02:52 <Gadgetoid_iPad> I think some folks in here finally convinced me to start making bread
Jun 02 21:03:02 <SpeedEvil> Bread is fun.
Jun 02 21:03:14 <Gadgetoid_iPad> I just got a bread maker.... Heh
Jun 02 21:03:14 <SpeedEvil> Breadmakers make it really handy.
Jun 02 21:03:25 <SpeedEvil> Is it one with the paddle at the bottom?
Jun 02 21:03:35 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Did gingerbread today.... Deeelicious
Jun 02 21:03:47 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Aye yes... Paddle doesn't do the loaf many favours
Jun 02 21:04:08 <SpeedEvil> They die after ~100 cycles. When baking, remove the paddle, put a blob of margarine on the shaft of the paddle, and then replace
Jun 02 21:04:14 <SpeedEvil> this makes it last much longer
Jun 02 21:04:29 <SpeedEvil> as it discourages the mixture getting into the bearing
Jun 02 21:04:45 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Interesting
Jun 02 21:05:04 <SpeedEvil> Also - don't drop a spoon in, and forget about it. It does not do the non-stick coating much good.
Jun 02 21:05:12 <Gadgetoid_iPad> The paddle mechanism and tin are removable though, and presumably replaceable in the worst case
Jun 02 21:05:30 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Hahaha the mixture of my gingerbread stuck to the side and bored up my loaf
Jun 02 21:05:42 <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_iPad: In principle. However - spares are typically only available for 2 or 3 years
Jun 02 21:05:54 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Should have given it a bit of a stir beforehand... Although the mixing cycle is about a half hour long
Jun 02 21:06:38 <alterego> Well, Just got to fix a little bug in the UI code and I'm pretty much ready.
Jun 02 21:06:45 <alterego> Oh, wait, still need to make an icon and .desktop stuff.
Jun 02 21:07:17 <Gadgetoid_iPad> The whole bearing mechanism is secured with a little pin hmm
Jun 02 21:09:38 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Temptation to bake more bread rising
Jun 02 21:09:42 <E0x> http://www.callingallinnovators.com/
Jun 02 21:09:43 <pupnik> heheh
Jun 02 21:09:53 <E0x> somebody is subming something ?
Jun 02 21:09:55 <pupnik> what kind Gadgetoid_iPad
Jun 02 21:10:18 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Not sure this time, I personally want some wholemeal or seeded
Jun 02 21:10:31 <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid_iPad: I plan on recycling my neo1973 into a microwave controller, complete with webcam to measure bread rise, and kick off at peak rise, or at rise height
Jun 02 21:11:19 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Hahaha SpeedEvil, overkill much?
Jun 02 21:12:04 <pupnik> microwaved bread?
Jun 02 21:14:23 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Cooking bread with phone radiation?
Jun 02 21:14:27 <frals> w00t_: pushed packaging changes now, they seemed to work :P
Jun 02 21:15:18 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Battle for wesnoth on the iPhone/ipad is really something
Jun 02 21:16:23 <Gadgetoid_iPad>  It seems to run like ass on the n900
Jun 02 21:23:40 <Shapeshifter> Gadgetoid_iPad: iPad?
Jun 02 21:23:42 <Shapeshifter> ...
Jun 02 21:24:12 <MohammadAG> what
Jun 02 21:24:28 <MohammadAG> it's nice to see some harmony between iCrap and #maemo
Jun 02 21:24:42 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Shapeshifter: Waah?
Jun 02 21:24:43 <w00t_> frals: awesome
Jun 02 21:25:20 <MohammadAG> (pyQt) http://i48.tinypic.com/zugni8.jpg any ideas why those buttons look like that?
Jun 02 21:25:25 <Gadgetoid_iPad> The only downside i can see to the ipad is the price, which is pretty steep
Jun 02 21:25:40 <frals> MohammadAG i recognize that
Jun 02 21:25:47 <frals> from when the sizing policy is fubar in gtk
Jun 02 21:26:08 <MohammadAG> do you know of a fix for it?
Jun 02 21:26:12 <MohammadAG> they're quite annoying
Jun 02 21:26:19 <frals> dont mess around with button size... :D
Jun 02 21:26:20 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: I also noticed that when I tried hacking on a desktop widget using plain Qt. it's weird
Jun 02 21:26:24 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 02 21:26:45 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: I think genereally it has to do with the weird theming that is going on on maemo
Jun 02 21:26:46 * MohammadAG sets target milestone as PR1.3
Jun 02 21:26:58 <Gadgetoid_iPad> Hostmode what what?
Jun 02 21:29:58 <brendans> just got back from afk; for what it's worth, I'm using a Macbook Pro
Jun 02 21:30:10 <b-man|laptop> MohammadAG: i think i found something thats worse than yum -  zypper xD
Jun 02 21:30:36 <brendans> also 8 core server running centos, laptop running ubuntu, beagleboard running gentoo, n900, a few other misc things that are too old to mention
Jun 02 21:30:36 <MohammadAG> LOL that's what MeeGo uses
Jun 02 21:31:09 <brendans> don't see any reason iWhatevers and Linux can't interact
Jun 02 21:32:11 <b-man|laptop> MohammadAG: yup - all of my repo entries in meego are messed up lol
Jun 02 21:37:09 <Noma> http://yx.fi/2fq <- will this work with the host mode when it'll be stable and released?:p
Jun 02 21:38:53 <timeless_mbp> hey
Jun 02 21:39:03 <timeless_mbp> who here was using Modest in portrait mode?
Jun 02 21:39:10 <timeless_mbp> i do have a fix for you if you're using en-*
Jun 02 21:39:41 <alterego> Hrm, is it possible to write an application that just opens a dialog?
Jun 02 21:40:00 <timeless_mbp> alterego: i use zenity for that
Jun 02 21:40:00 <pigeon> timeless_mbp: i don't even know modest has portrait mode...
Jun 02 21:40:05 <alterego> When I create the .desktop and start it from the app menu, a main window is appearing ..
Jun 02 21:40:13 <timeless_mbp> pigeon: it's an easter egg in 1.2
Jun 02 21:40:13 <alterego> timeless_mbp: it's a bit more of a complicated dialog ;)
Jun 02 21:40:27 <pigeon> timeless_mbp: how to enable it?
Jun 02 21:40:32 <alterego> timeless_mbp: http://alterego.metapath.org/images/screenshots/Screenshot-20100602-132604.png
Jun 02 21:40:46 <timeless_mbp> [in modest!] ctrl-shift-r + collapse keyboard + rotate phone to portrait
Jun 02 21:40:54 <pigeon> oh
Jun 02 21:41:05 <timeless_mbp> do not skip a step, do not expect something magical when your keyboard is open or when your phone is in landscape
Jun 02 21:41:45 <frals> alterego: its trivial to write an application that just launches a dialog: import gtk; gtk.Dialog().run().destroy() should probably do the trick
Jun 02 21:41:59 <timeless_mbp> alterego: : that's indeed a bit more complicated
Jun 02 21:42:12 <timeless_mbp> alterego: we hacked zenity to have a parent window argument
Jun 02 21:42:13 <alterego> frals: the dialog is fine, it's hildon desktop launching it that's the problem.
Jun 02 21:42:25 <alterego> frals: when I launch it form the app menu.
Jun 02 21:42:31 <alterego> s/form/from/
Jun 02 21:42:33 <infobot> alterego meant: frals: when I launch it from the app menu.
Jun 02 21:42:34 <pigeon> hmm, is there a way to get n900 to mount ext2 on the micro sd card slot automatically instead of the default vfat?
Jun 02 21:43:01 <timeless_mbp> alterego: it sounds like you're being treated as a system modal dialog
Jun 02 21:43:11 <timeless_mbp> you need to give yourself a parent to avoid that problem
Jun 02 21:43:19 <alterego> timeless_mbp: I have no parents :(
Jun 02 21:43:31 <alterego> timeless_mbp: also, this is Qt/PySide ;)
Jun 02 21:43:39 <timeless_mbp> alterego: so...
Jun 02 21:43:45 <timeless_mbp> you can buy a parent
Jun 02 21:43:51 <timeless_mbp> launch settings and parent yourself to it
Jun 02 21:44:02 <timeless_mbp> please note that MfE just ends up modal
Jun 02 21:44:06 <timeless_mbp> so does Presence
Jun 02 21:44:20 <timeless_mbp> it's standard fare for the things in that menu to become system modal
Jun 02 21:44:23 <timeless_mbp> even if they aren't otherwise
Jun 02 21:44:37 <alterego> I did want my program to launch from settings originally, but it seems like it was difficult to write a plugin for it :/
Jun 02 21:44:41 <timeless_mbp> alterego: parents are just numbers
Jun 02 21:44:47 <timeless_mbp> alterego: it's trivial
Jun 02 21:44:49 <tybollt> tim e
Jun 02 21:44:56 <alterego> timeless_mbp: even from python?
Jun 02 21:45:16 <alterego> Let me guess,
Jun 02 21:45:24 <timeless_mbp> http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/cpa.c
Jun 02 21:45:29 <alterego> it's just a f*cking .desktop file under /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel ?
Jun 02 21:45:31 <timeless_mbp> alterego: that's the entire C program for it
Jun 02 21:45:37 <tybollt> anyone here running meego ona laptop
Jun 02 21:45:39 <tybollt> ?
Jun 02 21:45:51 <timeless_mbp> not sure about python
Jun 02 21:46:10 <alterego> timeless_mbp: I found an example that bootstrapped python from a c app.
Jun 02 21:46:19 <timeless_mbp> but really, considering the size, you could just give yourself a C binary
Jun 02 21:46:26 <timeless_mbp> alterego: i have a cpa package which i depend on
Jun 02 21:46:37 <timeless_mbp> and then a cross platform perl script which does the actual work
Jun 02 21:46:43 <timeless_mbp> which is in a different package
Jun 02 21:47:26 <alterego> I think I might just submit it to extras-devel as is, and then work on putting it into the contorl panel / settings later
Jun 02 21:47:44 <timeless_mbp> alterego: anyway, download the code now
Jun 02 21:48:12 <alterego> done
Jun 02 21:48:32 <alterego> "this file is too short to be copyrightable" :D
Jun 02 21:48:58 <pupnik> hahah
Jun 02 21:49:09 <mark82> umm, I'm using microb in portrait mode, but top bar is not displayed, it's the normal behaviour?
Jun 02 21:49:59 <timeless_mbp> mark82: is this 1.1.1 or 1.2?
Jun 02 21:50:06 <timeless_mbp> wait, top bar?
Jun 02 21:50:11 <timeless_mbp> correct, there isn't supposed to be a top bar
Jun 02 21:50:19 <timeless_mbp> you only get a tiny bottom bar
Jun 02 21:50:29 <mark82> timeless: 1.2 ... so to close the browser I have to turn it into landscape mode?
Jun 02 21:50:33 <timeless_mbp> the goal of portrait mode browsing is to *browser*
Jun 02 21:50:37 <timeless_mbp> mark82: well
Jun 02 21:50:41 <timeless_mbp> you can use ctrl-backspace :)
Jun 02 21:50:54 <timeless_mbp> mark82: but the desktop and task switcher don't support portrait mode
Jun 02 21:51:00 <timeless_mbp> so you'll have to go there soon enough
Jun 02 21:51:28 <mark82> timeless_mbp: you're right, but I'd like to have a small "x" to close it anyway, like witter or facebrik do :)
Jun 02 21:51:51 <timeless_mbp> mark82: i'd rather fix the back arrow to provide an X
Jun 02 21:52:00 <timeless_mbp> and i'm closer to a position to be able to get that to work
Jun 02 21:52:09 <timeless_mbp> sadly, i'm not *actually* in a position to get it to happen
Jun 02 21:52:13 <dockane> hi all. i currently working on a shell script to setup initial things for maemo (network, hostname, softkeyboard of xterm, etc). since i am not root from scratch (rootsh not installed yet) there is some sort of chicken-or-the-egg dilemma. any ideas? maybe an .install file with an uri to file:///rootsh. could that work?
Jun 02 21:53:31 <frals> btw w00t_, i changed the prerm to postrm because.. it shouldve been postrm to begin with ;D
Jun 02 21:53:40 <w00t_> lol
Jun 02 21:53:52 <alterego> Heh
Jun 02 21:54:00 <timeless_mbp> dockane: sorry, eh?
Jun 02 21:54:04 <w00t_> mark82: yeah! facebrick is just awesome isn't it
Jun 02 21:54:13 <timeless_mbp> you can have a .install file which suggests installing a package
Jun 02 21:54:15 <frals> :D
Jun 02 21:54:19 <timeless_mbp> the package can have preinst and postinst
Jun 02 21:54:27 <timeless_mbp> and it can have predepends
Jun 02 21:54:58 <dockane> timeless_mbp: sure.. just forget the .install part of my question
Jun 02 21:56:49 <mark82> w00t_: heh, are you its developer?
Jun 02 21:57:53 <w00t_> mark82: ..i might be..
Jun 02 21:57:55 <w00t_> :-)
Jun 02 21:58:23 <midas_> insert dramatic music now.
Jun 02 21:58:37 <mark82> w00t_: well done, keep up the good work :)
Jun 02 21:59:23 <w00t_> mark82: thanks - relevant might be my latest tweet: http://twitter.com/w00teh/status/15279014152 - go brik \o/
Jun 02 22:00:13 <midas_> so, whats the story on the new ovi store, was it released yet? :)
Jun 02 22:01:07 <MohammadAG> yes, kind of
Jun 02 22:01:47 <midas_> thats what i usally say to my own developers when they sort of finish their work :P
Jun 02 22:02:12 <brendans> having a dumb moment; what's the VI syntax to read a file into a buffer and paste at the cursor? :r!something?
Jun 02 22:03:33 <mikki-kun> hm, could anybody be grateful enough in uploading his .profile from the n900's root-account? i accidently replaced it, unknowing it would have been that important (i am not used in using .profile therefore i didn't knew how important it was)
Jun 02 22:04:08 <alterego> mikki-kun: when a file is hidden, it's usually hidden to stop you stupidly deleting it randomly :P
Jun 02 22:04:12 * luke-jr injects a trojan
Jun 02 22:04:15 <alterego> But it should be _that_ important ..
Jun 02 22:04:22 <luke-jr> alterego: not really
Jun 02 22:04:24 <alterego> Not to a normal N900 user
Jun 02 22:04:30 <alterego> ~shouldn't ..
Jun 02 22:04:46 <luke-jr> it's hidden because it's for software, not user
Jun 02 22:04:47 <mikki-kun> alterego: i have been using linux for quiet a while and neither arch nor gentoo utilize .profile...
Jun 02 22:05:02 <alterego> mikki-kun: I think you'll find they do,
Jun 02 22:05:12 <alterego> Even if you're not using it.
Jun 02 22:05:16 <luke-jr> alterego: I can confirm Gentoo does not
Jun 02 22:05:26 <alterego> serious;y?
Jun 02 22:05:29 <mikki-kun> i don't even have .profile here on gentoo
Jun 02 22:05:44 <alterego> lame
Jun 02 22:05:49 <alterego> :D
Jun 02 22:05:50 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: .profile is not supported by busyox sh
Jun 02 22:05:53 <luke-jr> supports != utilizes
Jun 02 22:05:54 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: AIUI
Jun 02 22:06:15 <mikki-kun> hm, cause now it tells me it can't find the paths when using root
Jun 02 22:06:33 <luke-jr> lulz
Jun 02 22:06:34 <mikki-kun> an example would be "shutdown -h now" "shutdown not found" -_-
Jun 02 22:06:54 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: Have you been screwing with stuff?
Jun 02 22:07:03 <luke-jr> lol fail
Jun 02 22:07:14 <luke-jr> mikki-kun: "halt" is much shorter
Jun 02 22:07:19 <SpeedEvil> PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11
Jun 02 22:07:19 <SpeedEvil> export PATH
Jun 02 22:07:19 <SpeedEvil> mesg n
Jun 02 22:07:20 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Jun 02 22:07:21 <mikki-kun> i just replaced .profile, thinking it wouldn't have any data
Jun 02 22:07:25 <SpeedEvil> is my .profile
Jun 02 22:07:28 <SpeedEvil> maybe I'm wrong
Jun 02 22:07:47 <mikki-kun> hm, ok, then it won't me that much to replace... thanks :=
Jun 02 22:07:49 <mikki-kun> :)
Jun 02 22:08:20 <mikki-kun> i thought it would have been full with stuff as busybox is totally new to me with how it handles stuff
Jun 02 22:09:33 <SpeedEvil> It basically doesn't - if it can avoid it
Jun 02 22:09:54 <luke-jr> mikki-kun: run "halt"
Jun 02 22:09:58 <SpeedEvil> Busybox is designed to do the absolute minimum it can - even if the omissions would annoy the interactive user
Jun 02 22:10:07 <SpeedEvil> sync thrice first!
Jun 02 22:10:19 <mikki-kun> luke-jr: i've never used halt
Jun 02 22:11:07 <mikki-kun> and i probably never will cause i stick to shutdown -h now in some way when executing that command
Jun 02 22:12:01 <microlith> oh nice
Jun 02 22:12:13 * microlith accepts a meeting cancellation by his phone
Jun 02 22:12:57 <mikki-kun> i think busybox is a lil too hardcore if it relies that much on certain files...
Jun 02 22:14:01 <SpeedEvil> umm
Jun 02 22:14:11 <SpeedEvil> So does every shell in the world typically to set hte path
Jun 02 22:14:46 <mikki-kun> when utilizing bash i never encountered a problem with "command not found"
Jun 02 22:15:01 <SpeedEvil> rm /etc/profile ~/.bashrc
Jun 02 22:15:03 <SpeedEvil> and you will
Jun 02 22:15:09 <marmoute> mikki-kun: PATH= any-nn-core-cmd
Jun 02 22:16:50 <MohammadAG> Height set to 105, still have the problem http://i49.tinypic.com/1j4ttu.jpg
Jun 02 22:17:08 <brendans> I actually think that the built in shell is fine, with some tweaks and a judicious "apt-get install coreutils-gnu"
Jun 02 22:17:25 <brendans> but that's really doing a run around on most of the busybox components
Jun 02 22:17:53 <Noma> MohammadAG: don
Jun 02 22:17:56 <SpeedEvil> For script use - busybox is just fine
Jun 02 22:18:02 <Noma> don't care what it looks like - just make it work :D
Jun 02 22:18:03 <mikki-kun> i would have liked to see something without busybox... hm, is actually meego built with busybox or not?
Jun 02 22:18:21 <MohammadAG> Noma, it works, so back to the main problem :P
Jun 02 22:18:29 <Noma> :D
Jun 02 22:18:54 <SpeedEvil> Busybox is lots faster, uses much, much less RAM.
Jun 02 22:19:05 <V13> lol... speedevil: you have 203 thanks, 150 from which come from your usb post :-))))
Jun 02 22:19:12 <SpeedEvil> There are around a dozen scripts or so run at once in early boot
Jun 02 22:19:25 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, IMMA KILL YOU
Jun 02 22:19:42 <mikki-kun> may i see some comparisons there?
Jun 02 22:19:45 <SpeedEvil> 'normal' linux utils will take perhaps 5s longer to boot
Jun 02 22:19:46 * MohammadAG throws a whale at noobmonk3y 
Jun 02 22:19:57 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: Do benchmarking.
Jun 02 22:20:12 <SpeedEvil> http://www.selenic.com/smem/
Jun 02 22:20:22 <SpeedEvil> see that - for more info on how much memory stuff is using
Jun 02 22:20:52 <brendans> SpeedEvil: Yeah, I like having the gnu utils for command-line work, but they're sourced in when I start an interactive terminal, so the only real loss is the disk space in /
Jun 02 22:21:16 <mikki-kun> hm, i was more into one device without busybox and one with
Jun 02 22:21:25 <SpeedEvil> just setup the path to /usr/bin/gnu - and you're sorted.
Jun 02 22:21:36 <noobmonk3y_> sorry xchat had a moment
Jun 02 22:21:43 <noobmonk3y_> along with my laptop re-hibernating, random
Jun 02 22:21:51 <noobmonk3y_> why are you killing me MohammadAG ?
Jun 02 22:21:55 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: hey, were you one of the people interested in portrait mail?
Jun 02 22:21:57 * timeless_mbp needs a tester
Jun 02 22:22:01 <mikki-kun> not just checking which app takes less memory...
Jun 02 22:22:02 <MohammadAG> noobmonk3y, I already killed you :)
Jun 02 22:22:12 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, afaik he was
Jun 02 22:22:15 <noobmonk3y_> lol!
Jun 02 22:22:20 <brendans> SpeedEvil: Right, I forgot it's optified
Jun 02 22:22:23 <SpeedEvil> timeless_mbp: not very, no, I haven't actually used modest at all.
Jun 02 22:22:23 * noobmonk3y_ haunts the troutyness that is frals 
Jun 02 22:22:24 <lardman|home> evening all
Jun 02 22:22:24 <MohammadAG> just add a portrait flag to the modest source :)
Jun 02 22:22:27 <noobmonk3y_> hey lard
Jun 02 22:22:42 <lardman|home> hey noobmonk3y_
Jun 02 22:22:48 <noobmonk3y_> :)
Jun 02 22:22:48 <SpeedEvil> timeless: I was indeed idly pondering removing it
Jun 02 22:22:53 * noobmonk3y_ slaps noobmonk3y 
Jun 02 22:23:20 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: *removing* it?
Jun 02 22:23:24 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jun 02 22:23:29 <SpeedEvil> It uses ~5 meg of memory
Jun 02 22:23:30 <ShadowJK> Completing a learning cycle for bq27200 after PR1.2 seems very hard
Jun 02 22:23:37 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: oh, you mean modest
Jun 02 22:23:43 <SpeedEvil> err
Jun 02 22:23:46 * lardman|home wonders why his TMO moderator powers were revoked
Jun 02 22:23:47 <SpeedEvil> oh - yes
Jun 02 22:24:15 * timeless_mbp complains about nokia's totally broken definition of 'memory'
Jun 02 22:24:23 <timeless_mbp> conflating storage w/ ram is a terrible idea :(
Jun 02 22:24:27 <SpeedEvil> Oh - I was thinking dig in the scripts for init. apt-get remove works
Jun 02 22:24:31 <SpeedEvil> timeless: yes it is.
Jun 02 22:24:36 <SpeedEvil> timeless: I mean PSS actually
Jun 02 22:25:06 <SpeedEvil> timeless: but sure - I'll test.
Jun 02 22:25:20 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: gimme a bit, my build process is kinda backwards
Jun 02 22:25:27 <timeless_mbp> hey, anyone here familiar w/ Gtk menus?
Jun 02 22:25:35 <timeless_mbp> is it possible for a menu item to include a newline?
Jun 02 22:26:10 <HtheB> o/
Jun 02 22:26:14 <HtheB> just a question
Jun 02 22:26:24 <pronto> just an answer
Jun 02 22:26:28 <HtheB> will meego work with default notebooks/laptops?
Jun 02 22:26:35 <HtheB> notebooks/pc's *
Jun 02 22:26:36 <timeless_mbp> HtheB: is this #meego?
Jun 02 22:26:39 <microlith> 1) #meego
Jun 02 22:26:40 <HtheB> meh
Jun 02 22:26:40 <HtheB> ok
Jun 02 22:26:46 <HtheB> my bad :p
Jun 02 22:27:02 <HtheB> didnt know meego exist
Jun 02 22:27:10 <HtheB> #meego*
Jun 02 22:29:04 <MohammadAG> microlith, 2)? :)
Jun 02 22:29:17 <timeless_mbp> there is no #2
Jun 02 22:29:36 <microlith> what timeless_mbp said
Jun 02 22:29:52 <HtheB> :D :D :D
Jun 02 22:29:53 <HtheB> heh
Jun 02 22:29:58 <noobmonk3y> wtf!
Jun 02 22:30:03 <noobmonk3y> damn effing x-chat
Jun 02 22:30:07 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: BME _always_ shuts down with the stock battery at a few millivolts shy of the learn threshold here.
Jun 02 22:30:09 * noobmonk3y apologises to MohammadAG 
Jun 02 22:30:29 <noobmonk3y> x-chat just just rammed me up the bum with a trout...... wasn't fun
Jun 02 22:30:36 <ShadowJK> speedevil: mine's shutting down at 3350 now
Jun 02 22:30:58 <HtheB> rofl
Jun 02 22:30:58 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: even with 1.1
Jun 02 22:31:18 <MohammadAG> <microlith> what timeless_mbp said
Jun 02 22:31:26 <MohammadAG> that would be 3(
Jun 02 22:31:28 <MohammadAG> )*
Jun 02 22:31:36 <microlith> ha
Jun 02 22:31:44 <HtheB> lols :D
Jun 02 22:31:47 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: Interestingly. Last measured discharges - 926 - 935 - 935 - 945 - 948
Jun 02 22:32:02 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: (may be out by a factor of n)
Jun 02 22:32:04 <pwnguin> what exactly is Nokia Messaging?
Jun 02 22:32:17 <pwnguin> people talk about using it for gmail push
Jun 02 22:32:22 <timeless_mbp> pwnguin: a gateway drug
Jun 02 22:32:42 * microlith enjoys his simple pop3 gmail setup
Jun 02 22:32:45 <HtheB> i hate pushmail
Jun 02 22:32:49 <HtheB> i just go to www.gmail.com
Jun 02 22:32:53 <HtheB> or even better:
Jun 02 22:32:54 <HtheB> m.gmail.com
Jun 02 22:32:58 <HtheB> works great
Jun 02 22:33:06 <pwnguin> i kinda like the client
Jun 02 22:33:08 <lardman|home> SpeedEvil: my word you've been pimping your TMO thanks karma with that usb thread ;)
Jun 02 22:33:17 <timeless_mbp> pwnguin: basically nokia messaging is a man in the middle attack on your mail servers
Jun 02 22:33:20 <pwnguin> heh
Jun 02 22:33:24 <timeless_mbp> you give nokia your credentials
Jun 02 22:33:30 <timeless_mbp> they claim to use them on your behalf
Jun 02 22:33:34 <SpeedEvil> lardman: Actually - I hadn't thought about that - I was trying to create some buzz - and get more devs interested.
Jun 02 22:33:38 <timeless_mbp> they pretend to be you when they talk to your mail servers
Jun 02 22:33:40 * ShadowJK tries restarting n900 a few times and hope voltage goes below threshold long enough
Jun 02 22:33:44 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: what is nokia messaging? :S
Jun 02 22:33:47 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: stop bme
Jun 02 22:33:51 <lardman|home> SpeedEvil: ;) oh and good stuff too!
Jun 02 22:33:53 <timeless_mbp> but it means that you in theory get better battery life
Jun 02 22:34:10 <timeless_mbp> because nokia can "optimize" the data that is sent wrt the mail you read
Jun 02 22:34:12 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: I've been doing it whenever I get it beeping at me
Jun 02 22:34:18 <MohammadAG> <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: stop bme
Jun 02 22:34:24 <MohammadAG> ^ adds about 10 minutes btw
Jun 02 22:34:27 <MohammadAG> or 15
Jun 02 22:34:34 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jun 02 22:34:37 <pwnguin> timeless_mbp: you know if this is related to carriers at all? like hosted with them or something?
Jun 02 22:34:38 <MohammadAG> or 20 with the screen locked and wifi disconnected
Jun 02 22:34:54 <pwnguin> becuase tmobile apparently Does Not Want nokia messaging
Jun 02 22:35:08 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: what is nokia messaging? :S
Jun 02 22:35:15 <timeless_mbp> tybollt:  see above
Jun 02 22:35:20 <timeless_mbp> pwnguin: nokia sometimes tries to make money by charging carriers
Jun 02 22:35:22 <pwnguin> tybollt: dude, you just read the explaination
Jun 02 22:35:23 <noobmonk3y> w00t_, is your brain fried yet?
Jun 02 22:35:33 <pwnguin> timeless_mbp: i dont even have a data plan =/
Jun 02 22:35:34 <timeless_mbp> with the expectation that they'd pass the cost along to their customers
Jun 02 22:35:42 <tybollt> o_O
Jun 02 22:35:48 <timeless_mbp> pwnguin: use MfE w/ gmail
Jun 02 22:35:52 <ShadowJK> timeless_mbp: I always thought nokia messaging was a "email through proprietary protocols so we can charge through the nose for it"-initiative requested by operators and consequently made by Nokia into MITM-attack gateway drug unfit for its original purpose :)
Jun 02 22:35:52 <tybollt> it's late, verdamtes... :)
Jun 02 22:35:53 <timeless_mbp> in 1.2 it probably works
Jun 02 22:35:55 <w00t_> noobmonk3y: i'm really having trouble keeping up
Jun 02 22:35:55 <lardman|home> one of the Nokia servers flagged up a "someone's nicked your password" warning for my wife, saying the server was in Israel trying to access her GMail account
Jun 02 22:35:58 <pwnguin> timeless_mbp: can i have more than one mfe account?
Jun 02 22:36:01 <noobmonk3y> hahaha
Jun 02 22:36:04 <pwnguin> ive got exchange at work =(
Jun 02 22:36:05 <w00t_> trying to do 4-5 things at a time is getting difficult
Jun 02 22:36:06 * noobmonk3y pats w00t_  on the head :)
Jun 02 22:36:10 <timeless_mbp> pwnguin: sadly, no
Jun 02 22:36:14 <timeless_mbp> well
Jun 02 22:36:17 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: when will there be multi mfe per device?
Jun 02 22:36:19 <timeless_mbp> that's perhaps wrong
Jun 02 22:36:25 <noobmonk3y> w00t_, i allways thought you where super human? pffffftttt even lcuk needs holidays lol
Jun 02 22:36:28 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: ignoring beeping gave me 90..120min :-)
Jun 02 22:36:31 <timeless_mbp> it's probably possible to trick mfe into giving you more than one account
Jun 02 22:36:33 <pwnguin> timeless_mbp: this is why i was hoping nokia messaging wasn't as dumb as it is
Jun 02 22:36:36 <timeless_mbp> and it might be worth doing
Jun 02 22:36:51 <timeless_mbp> mfe is controlled by some gconf settings
Jun 02 22:37:10 <timeless_mbp> w/ some trickery you should be able to stop mfe, swap in a different mfe setting set, start it, do stuff, rinse + repeat
Jun 02 22:37:17 <pwnguin> meh
Jun 02 22:37:24 <pwnguin> maybe ill just figure out why imap stopped working
Jun 02 22:37:31 <timeless_mbp> i suspect there's a large enough userbase to justify working on it
Jun 02 22:37:32 <tybollt> Awesome - it is amazin how totalitarian the US is getting
Jun 02 22:37:33 <timeless_mbp> i'd help
Jun 02 22:37:33 <tybollt> http://gizmodo.com/5553765/are-cameras-the-new-guns
Jun 02 22:37:34 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: More like 2 hours.
Jun 02 22:39:07 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: you'd still have to solve the multi database issue assuming of course it is not configurable
Jun 02 22:40:04 <wazd> http://www.therapistfinder.com/
Jun 02 22:40:13 <wazd> oh.my.god
Jun 02 22:40:42 <pwnguin> every hospital seems to have a resident rapist!
Jun 02 22:40:48 <thresh> wazd: old stuff
Jun 02 22:40:51 <thresh> aka bayan
Jun 02 22:41:02 <opdf2> is there a maximum capacity for calendar events?
Jun 02 22:41:19 <pwnguin> opdf2: probably depends on the room :P
Jun 02 22:41:20 <wazd> thresh: aw :(
Jun 02 22:42:25 <timeless_mbp> tybollt: so, they're all files
Jun 02 22:42:41 <timeless_mbp> as long as the service is stopped
Jun 02 22:42:47 <timeless_mbp> it shouldn't be a big problem
Jun 02 22:43:36 <DocScrutinizer> sorry
Jun 02 22:45:03 <wazd> any javascript/jquery demons in here maybe?
Jun 02 22:47:45 <asj> wazd: I've writen some js...what do you need?
Jun 02 22:48:20 <wazd> asj: erm, to add a tiny modification to the existing script
Jun 02 22:50:20 <tybollt> timeless_mbp: hmmm that's tempting you kno :)
Jun 02 22:50:36 <tybollt> and then you could guify it w/ pygtk or sommat
Jun 02 22:50:54 * noobmonk3y waves gnight
Jun 02 22:51:02 <HtheB> noobmonk3y,
Jun 02 22:51:02 * noobmonk3y eats frals
Jun 02 22:51:09 * noobmonk3y waves at HtheB 
Jun 02 22:51:11 * lcukn900 waves at noob
Jun 02 22:51:12 <HtheB> i want that fart app!
Jun 02 22:51:13 <HtheB> :p
Jun 02 22:51:18 * noobmonk3y waves at lcukn900 !!!
Jun 02 22:51:20 <MohammadAG> ZOMG It's lcukn900
Jun 02 22:51:21 <noobmonk3y> evening lcuky
Jun 02 22:51:23 <timeless_mbp> yep
Jun 02 22:51:32 <noobmonk3y> HtheB, when Qt fix QtMultimedia you can have it
Jun 02 22:51:41 <lcukn900> heya guys
Jun 02 22:51:42 <noobmonk3y> lcukn900, WINGE!! Qt = borked
Jun 02 22:51:51 <noobmonk3y> hows the holiday?!
Jun 02 22:51:52 <HtheB> sup woth QtMult?
Jun 02 22:51:53 * lcukn900 has been stroking prebacon today
Jun 02 22:51:56 <HtheB> with*
Jun 02 22:52:05 <noobmonk3y> HtheB, not working on the N900 - the bit i want --
Jun 02 22:52:14 <noobmonk3y> (Equalizer farts!)
Jun 02 22:52:21 <lcukn900> qt will work.  it just needs more hammering
Jun 02 22:52:23 <MohammadAG> the fart brewery
Jun 02 22:52:24 <HtheB> so, PR1.2 still isnt THE solution =(
Jun 02 22:52:32 <noobmonk3y> HtheB, it may be
Jun 02 22:52:35 <noobmonk3y> i'm a dumbass
Jun 02 22:52:42 <HtheB> ask for help? :p
Jun 02 22:52:44 <noobmonk3y> i feel qt mobility may be
Jun 02 22:52:50 <noobmonk3y> HtheB, Lcuk's on holiday ;)
Jun 02 22:52:52 <noobmonk3y> hehehe
Jun 02 22:52:55 <MohammadAG> LOL
Jun 02 22:52:55 <noobmonk3y> night alls!
Jun 02 22:52:56 <lcukn900> pr12 isnt the final solution but it a damned fine sticking plaster
Jun 02 22:53:04 <MohammadAG> Night noobmonk3y
Jun 02 22:53:12 <asj> poor wazd
Jun 02 22:53:16 <HtheB> nite noob
Jun 02 22:53:29 <HtheB> MohammadAG
Jun 02 22:53:33 <MohammadAG> at least they didn't gline him
Jun 02 22:53:36 <HtheB> did you try out Quran? :)
Jun 02 22:53:43 <MohammadAG> the app? nope
Jun 02 22:53:54 <MohammadAG> working on host mode atm :)
Jun 02 22:54:00 <HtheB> never got it to work
Jun 02 22:54:06 <HtheB> yeah I follow the thread
Jun 02 22:54:19 <HtheB> awesome job =)
Jun 02 22:54:45 <timeless_mbp> ok, so, someone volunteered to test something for me,...
Jun 02 22:54:46 <HtheB> i remember the guys telling that the N900 will never get the USB Host
Jun 02 22:54:50 <timeless_mbp> i got the package built
Jun 02 22:54:53 <HtheB> timeless_mbp,  like?
Jun 02 22:55:02 <timeless_mbp> a fix for portrait mode mail
Jun 02 22:55:05 <HtheB> if it ain't easy, it's crap
Jun 02 22:55:26 <HtheB> vitamin water
Jun 02 22:55:46 <HtheB> tell me what to do
Jun 02 22:56:00 <HtheB> need to dl something?
Jun 02 22:56:13 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, shoot
Jun 02 22:56:35 <MohammadAG> HtheB, they said OTG was impossible, not host mode :)
Jun 02 22:56:46 <MohammadAG> this doesn't follow standards
Jun 02 22:56:49 <HtheB> owh xD
Jun 02 22:57:03 <HtheB> damn...
Jun 02 22:57:08 * HtheB feels like he's a n00b
Jun 02 22:58:49 <HtheB> MohammadAG, what is on the go?
Jun 02 22:58:53 <HtheB> read the wiki
Jun 02 22:58:59 <HtheB> still didn't get it O_o
Jun 02 22:59:18 <pwnguin> i think it's a way to negotiate A/B status
Jun 02 22:59:28 <SpeedEvil> Basically
Jun 02 22:59:30 <MohammadAG> HtheB, to make it short, did you see the N8 OTG vid?
Jun 02 22:59:39 <HtheB> no
Jun 02 22:59:41 <HtheB> let me see youtube
Jun 02 22:59:54 <HtheB> watching vid now
Jun 02 23:00:10 <SpeedEvil> OTG is a complex standard that negotiates which is host and which is device. We can't do this.
Jun 02 23:00:16 <MohammadAG> HtheB, when you do, the N8 switches to OTG mode when the cable is plugged in, with the N900 you need an app, that's a hw limit
Jun 02 23:00:31 <MohammadAG> hugely simplified btw ^
Jun 02 23:00:31 <SpeedEvil> The hardware is broken - there are incompatible components in the way of getting OTG working.
Jun 02 23:00:49 <lardman|home> does it negotiate or just use the cable pull ups/downs?
Jun 02 23:00:52 <SpeedEvil> This breakage does not mean it can't be forced into host mode
Jun 02 23:01:04 <ohwhyme> so theres no way to do it?
Jun 02 23:01:12 <SpeedEvil> lardman|home: It's a horribly complex dance of wiggling vbus at prescribed speeds. And stuff.
Jun 02 23:01:32 <SpeedEvil> ohwhyme: OTG is completely impossible - assuming the schematic is correct.
Jun 02 23:01:45 <pwnguin> we need an app. do we have one yet?
Jun 02 23:01:47 <HtheB> ok... just as I assumed
Jun 02 23:01:49 <SpeedEvil> That is - OTG properly negotiating with other OTG devices in a compliant manner
Jun 02 23:01:54 <HtheB> but what is usb host mode!?
Jun 02 23:01:59 <HtheB> isn't that the same ? :p
Jun 02 23:02:02 <SpeedEvil> USB host mode is what your desktop does
Jun 02 23:02:10 <pwnguin> host mode == usb a device
Jun 02 23:02:12 <SpeedEvil> It just acts like a host that you plug peripherals into
Jun 02 23:02:17 <lardman|home> SpeedEvil: ah, I never realised there was negotiation too, I thought it just came down to which cable to you plugged in
Jun 02 23:02:24 <SpeedEvil> It can never act like a peripheral
Jun 02 23:02:31 <HtheB> but if you plug a USB stick in it
Jun 02 23:02:36 <HtheB> it should just mount it?
Jun 02 23:02:41 <HtheB> like the OTG or not?
Jun 02 23:02:41 <HtheB> O_o
Jun 02 23:03:08 <HtheB> or is it only attaching other stuff like Printers, and joysticks etc?
Jun 02 23:03:11 <SpeedEvil> HtheB: In short - you can force host mode on the n900 (eventually) that will let you plug mice and stuff into it and have it work.
Jun 02 23:03:16 <mikki-kun> hm, could we use that way a webcam then over the micro-usb port of the n900 with host mode?
Jun 02 23:03:21 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jun 02 23:03:35 <SpeedEvil> webcam, printer, keyboards, USB missile launchers.
Jun 02 23:03:39 <HtheB> :D :D :D
Jun 02 23:03:41 <MohammadAG> mugwarmers XP
Jun 02 23:03:53 <lcukn900> other n900s for flashing?
Jun 02 23:03:57 <ohwhyme> so usb sticks wont be working
Jun 02 23:03:59 <SpeedEvil> Some things won't require extra power
Jun 02 23:04:02 <ohwhyme> ?
Jun 02 23:04:07 <MohammadAG> lcukn900, I asked someone to test that :)
Jun 02 23:04:08 <SpeedEvil> ohwhyme: yes - that was not an exhaustive list.
Jun 02 23:04:15 <MohammadAG> no one replied anyways :P
Jun 02 23:04:17 <ohwhyme> ah thanks
Jun 02 23:04:18 <mikki-kun> so otg is basically afaiu a more advanced usb host mode
Jun 02 23:04:22 <SpeedEvil> ohwhyme: basically anything that does not require high power - most webcams
Jun 02 23:04:25 <lcukn900> so only limit is vbus atm?
Jun 02 23:04:25 <SpeedEvil> or stuff
Jun 02 23:04:42 <SpeedEvil> lcukn900: power is limited to 200mA - which is a bit under half the normal max
Jun 02 23:04:47 <HtheB> awesome =)
Jun 02 23:04:54 <lcukn900> speedevil give docs a hearty beer from me
Jun 02 23:05:02 <SpeedEvil> lcukn900: So most webcams, wifi cards, ... will require external power
Jun 02 23:05:02 <lcukn900> speedevil thats cool
Jun 02 23:05:10 <lcukn900> otg was 100
Jun 02 23:05:13 <Kegetys> n810 provided 300mA I think and most devices worked fine with it
Jun 02 23:05:14 <SpeedEvil> Many memory sticks, most keyboards and mice, will work just fine
Jun 02 23:05:15 <mikki-kun> hm, the 200mAh are limits set by the hardware i assume
Jun 02 23:05:22 <MohammadAG> yes
Jun 02 23:05:23 <SpeedEvil> mikk: yes
Jun 02 23:05:38 <MohammadAG> hey at least DocScrutinizer pushed voltage to 5V
Jun 02 23:05:38 <lcukn900> keyboards are normally less than 100 but some were borderline
Jun 02 23:05:38 <SpeedEvil> work just fine on internal power
Jun 02 23:06:01 <HtheB> nice work guys! :)
Jun 02 23:06:03 <lcukn900> speedevil of important test: arduino boards.  need to find their specs
Jun 02 23:06:05 <Kegetys> http://junk.kegetys.net/mobile_gaming.jpg like this stick worked just fine ;)
Jun 02 23:06:06 <MohammadAG> lcukn900, there was just a limit in the driver, but we (C) "Just comment(ed) it out"
Jun 02 23:06:09 <brendans> though iirc it should be possible to attach a powered hub and have that work, right?
Jun 02 23:06:11 <HtheB> seriously, great job to all of u
Jun 02 23:06:16 <lcukn900> lolol
Jun 02 23:06:21 <HtheB> haha
Jun 02 23:06:22 <MohammadAG> brendans, yes
Jun 02 23:06:22 <HtheB> :D
Jun 02 23:06:30 <HtheB> flight simulater? :p
Jun 02 23:06:30 <SpeedEvil> lcukn900: I'd imagine those are fltd serial chips - which will work fine.
Jun 02 23:06:39 <SpeedEvil> brendans: yes
Jun 02 23:06:39 <Kegetys> stunt island on dosbox
Jun 02 23:06:47 <MohammadAG> lol saw serial as israel
Jun 02 23:06:51 <MohammadAG> same letters xD
Jun 02 23:06:55 <HtheB> hell, why is dosbox still not 100% on N900 O_o
Jun 02 23:07:05 <HtheB> MohammadAG =(
Jun 02 23:07:06 <brendans> SpeedEvil, lcukn900: Yes, the arduino boards use an ft232
Jun 02 23:07:13 <SpeedEvil> brendans: With the cheapest sort of hubs - it should actually simply charge with just the included cable, and a F-F adaptor, and no other wierd cabling
Jun 02 23:07:14 <MohammadAG> (no I'm not dyslexic :P)
Jun 02 23:07:25 <lcukn900> brend great
Jun 02 23:07:43 <lcukn900> i have to go. starry night here and flat battery
Jun 02 23:07:51 <MohammadAG> Night lcukn900
Jun 02 23:07:54 <SpeedEvil> brendans: Charge, and you can use USB peripherals at the same time that is
Jun 02 23:08:00 <lcukn900> \o
Jun 02 23:08:03 * MohammadAG slaps lcukn900 with a binary
Jun 02 23:08:09 <brendans> SpeedEvil: sorry, can you explain that again? do you mean the n900 doesn't need to be enumerated to enable the charging circuitry?
Jun 02 23:08:16 <HtheB> nite
Jun 02 23:08:19 <Dassu> Nighties
Jun 02 23:08:25 <HtheB> he's gone already
Jun 02 23:08:28 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: you put sexy in dyslexic.
Jun 02 23:08:43 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 02 23:08:50 <mikki-kun> hm... i was up to building later on a snake-cam for the n900 (will be done in about a year or two... will take it easy and i need to get the knowledge, still a noob, but that'll pull me away from there) so we can utilize it to peek around corners or some other difficult places as maybe the car's engine-room...
Jun 02 23:08:52 <brendans> SpeedEvil: I assumed it had to be a client and enumerated by the host machine before the charging would enable, but I don't know that I've ever tested it
Jun 02 23:09:12 <SpeedEvil> brendans: That's completely irrelevant.
Jun 02 23:09:20 <SpeedEvil> brendans: The charger chip is controlled by BME
Jun 02 23:09:30 <pupnik> why dont we just add unix metadata to our vfat module?  store it in a file
Jun 02 23:09:33 <SpeedEvil> brendans: Which we probably need to reverse engineer - which is not hard
Jun 02 23:09:49 <pupnik> then we could chown/chmod/ln on vfat
Jun 02 23:09:49 <SpeedEvil> pupnik: There was back in the day a module to do that
Jun 02 23:10:16 <pupnik> ah?  maybe a nice project to revive
Jun 02 23:10:27 <brendans> SpeedEvil: So just to clarify, if one were to simply connect 5V across the microusb, would it charge without any data exchanged?
Jun 02 23:10:27 <SpeedEvil> brendans: The charger chip is actually what's providing the 5V for the USB bus.
Jun 02 23:10:35 <SpeedEvil> brendans: yes.
Jun 02 23:10:40 <brendans> SpeedEvil: Ah, good to know
Jun 02 23:10:43 <BCMM> i did wonder why no one had done metadata in a file
Jun 02 23:10:43 <SpeedEvil> brendans: though it would assume it was a PC
Jun 02 23:10:56 <SpeedEvil> and only charge at 100mA I think until it negotiates.
Jun 02 23:10:57 <brendans> SpeedEvil: yeah, makes sense
Jun 02 23:11:01 <BCMM> apart from how performance would be dreadful if it was too big to keep in memory
Jun 02 23:11:31 <Kegetys> doesnt the charging require a resistor across the data pins?
Jun 02 23:11:33 <BCMM> i have been told that you can replace negotiation with shorting d+ and d-
Jun 02 23:11:42 <brendans> SpeedEvil: I've seen a lot of other boards that use the PWREN line on something like an FTDI chip to only receive power if the client is enumerated by a host PC
Jun 02 23:12:00 <mikki-kun> hm, could we access with the n900's host mode a pc via usb?
Jun 02 23:12:35 <mikki-kun> for accessing it's data e.g.
Jun 02 23:12:36 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: What?
Jun 02 23:12:41 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: No.
Jun 02 23:12:51 <DocScrutinizer> brendans: if you short D+/- though, the charger chip ramps up to 500mA
Jun 02 23:12:53 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: PCs do not (typically) support 'device' mode.
Jun 02 23:12:53 <brendans> mikki-kun: If I'm not mistaken, that would require a PC with a client chipset on it (or an OTG chipset in client mode)
Jun 02 23:13:23 <brendans> DocScrutinizer: so is that what the nokia charger does then?
Jun 02 23:13:28 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Jun 02 23:13:40 <mikki-kun> ok... was just curious as that came up in my mind
Jun 02 23:13:44 <brendans> DocScrutinizer: good to know...
Jun 02 23:13:47 <SpeedEvil> brendans: yes - nothing like that. The USB chip detects D+ and D- shorted - and the charger chip - if the system is off - will then autonomously charge the battery fairly slowly to 3.7V max
Jun 02 23:13:47 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, the charger shorts them?
Jun 02 23:13:57 <DocScrutinizer> and the system (bme) tops that by setting it to 1050
Jun 02 23:14:01 <SpeedEvil> brendans: To charge it fully requires software - BME - to talk to it
Jun 02 23:14:05 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: yes
Jun 02 23:14:11 <brendans> SpeedEvil, DocScrutinizer: Thanks for the info, I appreciate the intro - you've probably heard these questions before
Jun 02 23:14:21 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jun 02 23:14:34 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME
Jun 02 23:14:58 <SpeedEvil> (some outdated info)
Jun 02 23:15:03 <DocScrutinizer> brendans: yw
Jun 02 23:16:08 * timeless_mbp frowns
Jun 02 23:16:25 * HtheB smiles
Jun 02 23:18:51 * jaska prods the maemo.org 770
Jun 02 23:18:56 <Gh0sty> anyone here from around NY?
Jun 02 23:19:26 <Gh0sty> cant find anywhere a store where they sell nokia stuff around here :(
Jun 02 23:19:49 <Ken-Young> Gh0sty, Did the Nokia "Flagship" store close?
Jun 02 23:20:07 <Gh0sty> seems the nokia store which existed around 5th av and 57th is closed
Jun 02 23:20:19 <mikki-kun> Ken-Young: afaik it removed everything it had for the new stuff coming soon
Jun 02 23:20:20 <HtheB> nokia is losing it... =(
Jun 02 23:20:22 <Ken-Young> Gh0sty, That's the one I meant.
Jun 02 23:20:49 <brendans> SpeedEvil, DocScrutinizer: Heading offline; thanks again for the info
Jun 02 23:20:50 <Gh0sty> yes thats what i heard from a verizon guy which was located at 57th
Jun 02 23:20:51 <brendans> cheers all
Jun 02 23:20:58 <HtheB> o/
Jun 02 23:21:11 <Ken-Young> The NY Nokia store was a pretty sad contrast to the Aplle store which was just around the corner.
Jun 02 23:21:14 <Gh0sty> any other nokia store in boston then?
Jun 02 23:21:39 <Ken-Young> Gh0sty, I've never seen a Nokia store in Boston.
Jun 02 23:22:28 <Gh0sty> hm damn cant find a 2nd battery for my n900 anywhere
Jun 02 23:22:41 <mikki-kun> Gh0sty: what about amazon?
Jun 02 23:22:50 <HtheB> www.tinyurl.com/nokiaidea
Jun 02 23:23:04 <Gh0sty> and also i dont seem to be able to work with 3G here :(
Jun 02 23:23:05 <mikki-kun> will take maybe a day or two for shipping but you'd have one then
Jun 02 23:23:27 <Gh0sty> only get 2.5G tops with at&t
Jun 02 23:23:35 <Ken-Young> Gh0sty, T-Mobile 3G doesn't work for you?
Jun 02 23:23:41 <HtheB> same over here
Jun 02 23:23:48 <HtheB> T-Mobile 3G doesn't work
Jun 02 23:23:56 <HtheB> only 2G and 3,5G :/
Jun 02 23:24:02 <HtheB> if I have 3G, I don't have connection
Jun 02 23:24:04 <Gh0sty> i got at&t cause thats the first shopl i passed by
Jun 02 23:24:05 <opdf2> where are u using tmobile usa?
Jun 02 23:24:09 <Ken-Young> It works for me, in BOston (and my few NY trips).
Jun 02 23:24:11 <HtheB> I do have connection, but it doesn't do anything at all
Jun 02 23:24:26 <Gh0sty> i got at&t cause thats the first shopl i passed by
Jun 02 23:24:27 <Ken-Young> I have no problems at all with T-Mobile.
Jun 02 23:24:35 <HtheB> T-Mobile NL
Jun 02 23:24:42 <opdf2> oh
Jun 02 23:24:45 <HtheB> they got some serious problems
Jun 02 23:24:50 <HtheB> was even in the news lately
Jun 02 23:24:52 <HtheB> damn it
Jun 02 23:24:55 <HtheB> =(
Jun 02 23:24:57 <Ken-Young> Gh0sty, I think AT&T is known to be incompatible.
Jun 02 23:25:09 <Gh0sty> great :(
Jun 02 23:25:15 <Ken-Young> Sorry
Jun 02 23:25:20 <Gh0sty> so i got screwed :(
Jun 02 23:25:36 <asj> Gh0sty: you can do edge with att
Jun 02 23:25:39 <Gh0sty> how do they make 3g incompatible ?
Jun 02 23:25:46 <opdf2> yes u need 1700/2100 for N900, which isnt AT&T
Jun 02 23:25:59 <Gh0sty> yes 2.5G is what i get
Jun 02 23:26:20 <Ken-Young> Gh0sty, Did you sign an AT&T contract?
Jun 02 23:26:36 <asj> Gh0sty: att is 850mhz and 1900mhz for 3g service, the n900 is 900/1700/2100
Jun 02 23:26:44 <Gh0sty> no prepaid pay as you go formula
Jun 02 23:26:47 <opdf2> Gh0sty:   that is all u can get because the 3g radio bands are not compatible with AT&T 3G
Jun 02 23:27:11 <asj> Gh0sty: you're just visiting the US?
Jun 02 23:27:17 <Gh0sty> yes
Jun 02 23:27:26 <Gh0sty> for 1 month
Jun 02 23:27:31 <HtheB> then stick with 2,5 :P
Jun 02 23:27:32 <asj> Gh0sty: do you need 3g? ie making voip calls?
Jun 02 23:27:35 <Ken-Young> Gh0sty, So it shouldn't be too hard to switch to T-Mobile.   In the US, it's your only choice if you want 3G on your N900.
Jun 02 23:27:48 <asj> Ken-Young: t-mobile has no prepaid data plan
Jun 02 23:27:53 <Gh0sty> now at the apple square using wifi
Jun 02 23:28:05 <opdf2> Ken-Young:  what kinda speeds & latency are u getting in Boston
Jun 02 23:28:35 <asj> Gh0sty: att 3g sucks anyways, all the ipods in NYC suck is dry, edge might be faster anyways ;)
Jun 02 23:28:49 <Ken-Young> opdf2, I haven't benchmarked it.   If you have a favorite benchmark site, I'll get you the numbers.
Jun 02 23:28:51 <thunderfest> asj: t-mobile does have  prepaid data plans
Jun 02 23:29:06 <PolarFox> Oh.. AT&T is cutting unlimited data plans.. I hope it wont be global trend.. :)
Jun 02 23:29:08 <asj> thunderfest: didn't last year, unless you had a sidekick plan which they cut off
Jun 02 23:29:23 <asj> (unless you had a sidekick)
Jun 02 23:29:28 <opdf2> Gh0sty:  you can use the prepaid Sidekick data plan. It is $1 per day.. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37887
Jun 02 23:29:53 <thunderfest> well they did last week I just signed up with my n900
Jun 02 23:29:57 <HtheB> Guys, I think I know this has been talked somewhere
Jun 02 23:30:11 <HtheB> does anyone else having some troubles with music and
Jun 02 23:30:21 <asj> thunderfest: ah ok, they change their minds more often than my wife ;)
Jun 02 23:30:21 <HtheB> pressing the power button!?
Jun 02 23:30:42 <HtheB> (this is causing some "silence")
Jun 02 23:30:47 <HtheB> happened after PR1.2
Jun 02 23:30:52 <opdf2> Ken-Young: http://www.speedtest.net/
Jun 02 23:31:01 <asj> HtheB: you mean a minor break in playback, say 0.5s?
Jun 02 23:31:06 <HtheB> yup
Jun 02 23:31:13 <HtheB> kinda annoying though
Jun 02 23:31:25 <HtheB> and when it turns from landscape into portrait
Jun 02 23:31:27 <asj> HtheB: it beats the woodpecker effect before, it's just scheduling issues
Jun 02 23:31:28 <HtheB> and vice-versa
Jun 02 23:31:44 <HtheB> is there a manual fix for this
Jun 02 23:32:04 <opdf2> PolarFox:  I don't think anyone is unlimited because of bandwidth caps. The only unlimited is T-Mobile USA, which downgrades u to EDGE when u pass 10 GB
Jun 02 23:32:43 <MohammadAG> renice it
Jun 02 23:32:59 <HtheB> renice?
Jun 02 23:33:32 <HtheB> didn't get that one ...
Jun 02 23:33:34 <asj> HtheB: renice is a command line priority control
Jun 02 23:33:52 <HtheB> i should google that one
Jun 02 23:33:57 <mikki-kun> regarding usb host mode... we can assume it will be available in around a week or two, right?
Jun 02 23:34:17 <thunderfest> anyone know where I can download the  latest vmware sdk image? following all the links just leads me to a page with the flasher tool downloads
Jun 02 23:34:42 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: you can assume it'll be ready in 23 seconds.
Jun 02 23:34:54 <asj> HtheB: if you get phone calls you might want to avoid messing with it to much, the biggest problem I had prior to 1.2 was answering calls since the system was too busy playing music or whatever
Jun 02 23:34:55 <Ken-Young> opdf2, download 0.85 Mb/s upload 0.64 Mb/s ping 140 msec.
Jun 02 23:35:00 <mikki-kun> *counting downwards*
Jun 02 23:35:00 <PolarFox> opdf2: I know that'll hit finland soon too.. we just buy bandwidth for now, and some operators even offer full speed without limits... for a bit of monetary compensation of course..
Jun 02 23:35:34 <HtheB> hmm
Jun 02 23:35:43 * SpeedEvil is happy with 1G/mo for 3.33/mo.
Jun 02 23:35:44 <HtheB> but whats the problem by pressing the power button
Jun 02 23:35:50 <PolarFox> I don't mind that much about caps.. I'm mostly on WLAN anyways ..
Jun 02 23:35:51 <HtheB> O_o
Jun 02 23:35:58 <asj> HtheB: but locking by pressing the power button here in general does not cause a "skip"
Jun 02 23:36:00 <smoku> does anyone know how do I show a message to the user from package installation script?
Jun 02 23:36:09 <opdf2> Ken-Young:  I'm in chicago, around 1 Mbit down, max 0.35 up, latency 200-300ms
Jun 02 23:36:09 <HtheB> it does over here :(
Jun 02 23:36:13 <HtheB> a big fail :(
Jun 02 23:36:15 <PolarFox> HtheB: CPU usage prob..
Jun 02 23:36:28 <HtheB> hmm
Jun 02 23:36:50 <asj> HtheB: what PolarFox said, I'm playing 256kbit/mp3
Jun 02 23:37:24 <thunderfest> anyone know how to get scratchbox working on ubuntu 10.04?
Jun 02 23:37:25 <opdf2> It'll be soo much better once T-Mobile usa finishing HSPA+ backbone
Jun 02 23:37:27 <PolarFox> showing the menu or activating unlock screen takes CPU also..
Jun 02 23:37:32 <asj> HtheB: run top and look for a runaway process, or mabe it's the audio format?
Jun 02 23:37:32 <Ken-Young> opdf2, In any event it's better than my lousy Verizon DSL.
Jun 02 23:38:19 <HtheB> asj, it's doing it even with Tracker modules
Jun 02 23:38:29 <midas_> opdf2: you're probably in .nl? :)
Jun 02 23:38:36 <midas_> oh wait
Jun 02 23:38:39 <midas_> nevermind
Jun 02 23:38:42 <asj> HtheB: huh?
Jun 02 23:38:48 <Termana> good morning
Jun 02 23:38:58 <midas_> (t-mobile netherlands has a little problem with hsdpa here :P)
Jun 02 23:39:00 <HtheB> .mod and .xm files
Jun 02 23:39:05 <HtheB> u know, tracker modules :P?
Jun 02 23:39:05 <asj> morning Termana
Jun 02 23:39:08 <HtheB> chiptunes
Jun 02 23:39:17 <opdf2> midas_:  so does usa unless you're in philadelphia
Jun 02 23:39:26 <HtheB> anyway... let me try out some other play
Jun 02 23:39:41 <asj> HtheB: midis?
Jun 02 23:39:48 <HtheB> and see if pressing power will cause problems
Jun 02 23:39:53 <midas_> here they are blaming apple for using bandwidth :p
Jun 02 23:39:54 <HtheB> some midi look a like files
Jun 02 23:39:57 <PolarFox> someone still uses tracker files? :)
Jun 02 23:40:01 <HtheB> but also on mp3's
Jun 02 23:40:09 <HtheB> PolarFox, I do! :)
Jun 02 23:40:11 <HtheB> <3
Jun 02 23:40:20 <asj> lol, people actually listen to midis?
Jun 02 23:40:26 <jacekowski> sort of
Jun 02 23:40:31 <jacekowski> asj: midi is still used
Jun 02 23:40:37 <asj> a game show I listen to has a whole section "mangled by midi"
Jun 02 23:40:39 <jacekowski> asj: all music instruments talk over midi
Jun 02 23:40:41 <HtheB> asj, midi is not mod!
Jun 02 23:40:51 <asj> jacekowski: yes yes, but I mean synthened midi through a computer
Jun 02 23:41:00 <HtheB> no
Jun 02 23:41:04 <jacekowski> well, mod is a midi + sound font in one package
Jun 02 23:41:12 <HtheB> .mod or .xm is pre installed instruments/samples
Jun 02 23:41:36 <HtheB> grrr
Jun 02 23:41:37 <asj> ok, at least you have the right sound font...but
Jun 02 23:41:37 <jacekowski> asj: well, commercial synthesisers are just a PCs now
Jun 02 23:41:43 <HtheB> it does make an error with ALL sound apps :(
Jun 02 23:41:45 <jacekowski> cheaper ones
Jun 02 23:41:58 <PolarFox> HtheB: I remember when I changed my 8bit soundblaster to a Gravis Ultrasound... :D
Jun 02 23:42:11 <asj> jacekowski: mmm, same with mixers, but the mixer still works better than the pc ;)
Jun 02 23:42:35 <HtheB> haha :D
Jun 02 23:42:43 <jacekowski> we live in digital world
Jun 02 23:42:50 <jacekowski> analogue is past unfortunatelly
Jun 02 23:44:36 <HtheB> PolarFox,
Jun 02 23:44:38 <HtheB> asj
Jun 02 23:45:04 <HtheB> so basically, pressing power EATS a lot of CPU :/
Jun 02 23:45:08 <asj> jacekowski: tell that to the guys buying $1500 tube, err sorry valve amps
Jun 02 23:45:11 <HtheB> pressing 1 time power
Jun 02 23:45:14 <HtheB> while the music is playing
Jun 02 23:45:24 <HtheB> make 1-2  secs of silence
Jun 02 23:46:13 <PolarFox> HtheB: is screen on?
Jun 02 23:46:26 <HtheB> both
Jun 02 23:46:30 <jacekowski> asj: i'm still using 30 years old amplifier
Jun 02 23:46:33 <HtheB> while it's off and on
Jun 02 23:47:02 <jacekowski> asj: rated output power 2x25 + 2x15W
Jun 02 23:47:03 <HtheB> though, pressing the power once while screen is off, will turn my screen on
Jun 02 23:47:08 <HtheB> since :p
Jun 02 23:47:14 <jacekowski> asj: supply transformer rated power is around 200W
Jun 02 23:47:22 <HtheB> -since
Jun 02 23:47:25 <PolarFox> Well.. systemui process takes 10% of CPU when I press power button..
Jun 02 23:47:41 <jacekowski> asj: total weight over 10kg
Jun 02 23:47:54 <HtheB> but just when the screen is on, pressing the POWER button will still kill the sound for 2-3 secs :S
Jun 02 23:47:59 <PolarFox> But I have overclocked N900..
Jun 02 23:47:59 <HtheB> wanna see a video?
Jun 02 23:48:00 <asj> jacekowski: but does it have the cool tube glow? ;)
Jun 02 23:48:05 <HtheB> PolarFox, same over here
Jun 02 23:48:06 <HtheB> 900 mhz
Jun 02 23:48:07 <jacekowski> asj: http://www.radmory.za.pl/5102.gif
Jun 02 23:48:12 * asj realizes 30 years is only 1980 :(
Jun 02 23:48:22 <PolarFox> HtheB: You see the menu after those 2-3 seconds?
Jun 02 23:48:26 <jacekowski> something like that
Jun 02 23:48:27 <HtheB> yes
Jun 02 23:48:36 <jacekowski> very nice modular design
Jun 02 23:48:42 <HtheB> I see the menu, and 1 sec later, the music goes on again
Jun 02 23:48:45 <asj> jacekowski: :)
Jun 02 23:48:49 <HtheB> so there will be a delay of 2-3 secs
Jun 02 23:48:53 <PolarFox> I get the menu instantly ... and the music doesn't pause..
Jun 02 23:49:02 <HtheB> :/
Jun 02 23:49:03 <jacekowski> i mean, that's how reliable and easy to fix hardware should be designed
Jun 02 23:49:14 <PolarFox> HtheB: have you tried running conky to see what's going on when you press the power button?
Jun 02 23:49:21 <HtheB> I will now
Jun 02 23:49:23 <HtheB> gimme a sec
Jun 02 23:49:28 <jacekowski> each power stage at separate PCB
Jun 02 23:49:33 <pupnik> instead of overclocking, i want to disable javascript, with a fast key/button to temporarvily activate it
Jun 02 23:49:48 <jacekowski> each part of radio reciever on separate PCB
Jun 02 23:50:11 <asj> HtheB: how many "tweaking" and fancy apps do you have installed to change phone behavior?
Jun 02 23:50:33 <pigeon> does anyone know where i can find a list or an rss feed for what packages are updated in the repo?
Jun 02 23:50:44 <HtheB> uhm...
Jun 02 23:50:54 <jacekowski> asj: http://futureishere.wordpress.com/2008/11/01/radmor-5102-te/ - take a look at photos
Jun 02 23:50:56 <asj> HtheB: or anything from extras-devel ;)
Jun 02 23:50:57 <PolarFox> pigeon: I use AppWatch for that..
Jun 02 23:50:59 <HtheB> root fs is still 70MB free
Jun 02 23:51:17 <PolarFox> HtheB: Normal situation with PR1.2 ;)
Jun 02 23:51:22 <HtheB> indeed
Jun 02 23:51:26 <asj> jacekowski: lol, damn :)
Jun 02 23:51:43 <HtheB> got a lot of apps to be honest
Jun 02 23:51:44 <asj> jacekowski: hand drawn pcbs too
Jun 02 23:51:50 <pigeon> PolarFox: yeah i have that too, but wondering if i could get that info on my desktop machine
Jun 02 23:52:02 <HtheB> but none of them gave me any troubles on 1.1.1
Jun 02 23:52:11 <SpeedEvil> connectors are bad for reliability
Jun 02 23:52:23 <asj> SpeedEvil: and expensive
Jun 02 23:52:23 <HtheB> PolarFox: DO'H!
Jun 02 23:52:24 <PolarFox> pigeon: repository is just a web server with files..
Jun 02 23:52:28 <jacekowski> asj: any problems and you had full set of spare parts to to test
Jun 02 23:52:34 <SpeedEvil> asj: also large, and ...
Jun 02 23:52:35 <HtheB> I can't see whats going on
Jun 02 23:52:37 <HtheB> on Cnky
Jun 02 23:52:41 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: it never had problems with reliability because of connectors
Jun 02 23:52:44 <HtheB> if I press the power button ...
Jun 02 23:52:47 <pigeon> PolarFox: true...
Jun 02 23:52:58 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: Miniature ones more so of course
Jun 02 23:53:02 <PolarFox> HtheB: close the menu as soon as you can.. conky updates stuff a little late ;)
Jun 02 23:53:22 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: whole thing is 50cm wide
Jun 02 23:53:24 <asj> HtheB: well...things change and one of them could be behaving badly, no one here sees it so... ;)
Jun 02 23:53:34 <HtheB> PolarFox, where should I look at ? :)
Jun 02 23:53:37 <HtheB> (which diagram)
Jun 02 23:53:56 <pigeon> i *think* i upgraded the msn butterfly plugin, now it can't send messages at all it seems.
Jun 02 23:54:03 <PolarFox> HtheB: at least at the programs in the bottom.. if something is showing up as a CPU hog
Jun 02 23:54:16 <jacekowski> and only thing that had issues were these touch sensors on front
Jun 02 23:54:19 <HtheB> weird
Jun 02 23:54:37 <HtheB> if I quickly "close" the menu that jumps when u press the power button
Jun 02 23:54:43 <HtheB> the music quickly resumes
Jun 02 23:54:45 <jacekowski> that had to be kept clean otherwise you would end up with random things happening
Jun 02 23:54:54 <HtheB> if I dont close the menu, there is a pause of 2 secs
Jun 02 23:55:00 <HtheB> so.. the menu causes the pause :/
Jun 02 23:55:17 <HtheB> it's not pausing btw... it's silencing the music
Jun 02 23:55:42 <midas_> so dont press the power button? :)
Jun 02 23:55:57 <HtheB> if it 's in my pocket
Jun 02 23:56:01 <HtheB> its SOOOOO annoying :(
Jun 02 23:56:13 <jacekowski> well, i never had that problem
Jun 02 23:56:16 <pigeon> everything i send, i get "Message sending failed"...
Jun 02 23:56:16 <midas_> never happoned to me :)
Jun 02 23:56:20 <jacekowski> have you tried it on clean system
Jun 02 23:56:30 <HtheB> hmm
Jun 02 23:56:36 <HtheB> do I have to clean the shit now again? :p
Jun 02 23:56:36 <midas_> anyway, off to bed :)
Jun 02 23:56:39 <midas_> nn all :)
Jun 02 23:56:41 <HtheB> nite
Jun 02 23:57:00 <HtheB> maybe because I use the enhanced kernel?
Jun 02 23:57:16 <asj> HtheB: 'enhanced' how exactly?
Jun 02 23:57:34 <PolarFox> I don't think so.. I've installed that one in the repository...
Jun 02 23:57:43 <jacekowski> overclock probably
Jun 02 23:57:44 <HtheB> hmm
Jun 02 23:57:54 <PolarFox> HtheB: You have shortcutd or something like that running?
Jun 02 23:58:01 <HtheB> no
Jun 02 23:58:03 <HtheB> not at all
Jun 02 23:58:04 <PolarFox> or maybe it's just the 900Mhz settings.. :)
Jun 02 23:58:05 <HtheB> w8 ill just show u
Jun 02 23:58:11 * asj shudders at the toughts at what people are doing to their phones ;)
Jun 02 23:58:19 <asj> then complaining they are broken
Jun 02 23:59:07 <PolarFox> asj: I don't complain... I'm fully aware that I'm hazardous to technology.
Jun 02 23:59:18 <asj> PolarFox: not you
Jun 02 23:59:33 <PolarFox> asj: I use up more cars in 5 years than most people use in their lifetimes ;)
Jun 02 23:59:50 <asj> PolarFox: what do you do to them?
Jun 02 23:59:59 <PolarFox> asj: I drive..
Jun 03 00:00:01 <PolarFox> and drive..
Jun 03 00:00:34 <PolarFox> I break laptops in 2 years.. always.. this home desktop is the only thing that has worked more than 4 years..
Jun 03 00:00:48 <PolarFox> Maybe it's because I put it together myself.
Jun 03 00:01:24 <asj> PolarFox: anyways that's not my point, for example if you install an "enhanced" kernel you should know how it's enhanced
Jun 03 00:02:09 <PolarFox> asj: I agree.. and even then you must be ready to buy a new phone.
Jun 03 00:02:23 <HtheB> PolarFox,
Jun 03 00:02:29 <HtheB> wanna have a lowwww quality video xD
Jun 03 00:02:47 <ZogG> \o/
Jun 03 00:03:07 <PolarFox> There is a SMS Chat on TV... Cancer of broadcast media..
Jun 03 00:03:17 <Macer> hm
Jun 03 00:03:40 <PolarFox> HtheB: shure, I like videos.. except 2 girls 1 cup was a bit too much..
Jun 03 00:04:02 <asj> PolarFox: and I had blanked that from my memory
Jun 03 00:04:15 <Macer> heh
Jun 03 00:04:33 <ZogG> damn the contacts in maemo are terrible
Jun 03 00:04:51 <PolarFox> I just wish N900 would have host mode for me.. I would like to do stuff with my Canon DSLR camera ;)
Jun 03 00:05:47 <ZogG> PolarFox like what>
Jun 03 00:06:12 <PolarFox> Like upload stuff to internet from my camera.. :)
Jun 03 00:06:25 <Kegetys> and view the viewfinder image
Jun 03 00:06:43 <ZogG> PolarFox, there is usb host support now as i understand
Jun 03 00:06:44 <Kegetys> or the live view image that is
Jun 03 00:06:44 <HtheB> accept it PolarFox
Jun 03 00:06:45 <HtheB> :p
Jun 03 00:07:02 <MohammadAG> morning ZogG
Jun 03 00:07:05 <PolarFox> HtheB: I'm using a irssi proxy.. please wait .. :)
Jun 03 00:07:09 <ZogG> MohammadAG and DocScrutinizer managed to do something toward it
Jun 03 00:07:19 <ZogG> MohammadAG, why are you not sleeping?
Jun 03 00:07:48 <MohammadAG> I don't recall having anything for tomorrow
Jun 03 00:08:00 <MohammadAG> 2. http://i49.tinypic.com/1j4ttu.jpg
Jun 03 00:08:12 <ZogG> what about nuclear attack?
Jun 03 00:08:17 <MohammadAG> 3. "Sleep is overrated" (C) DocScrutinizer
Jun 03 00:08:43 <ZogG> MohammadAG =)
Jun 03 00:09:00 <PolarFox> HtheB: Well hoorayh, it didn't work. :)
Jun 03 00:09:01 <ZogG> MohammadAG i need to start programming on qt
Jun 03 00:09:04 <HtheB> haha
Jun 03 00:09:06 <ZogG> but i'm too noob
Jun 03 00:09:07 <HtheB> trying again
Jun 03 00:09:21 <HtheB> or w8
Jun 03 00:09:22 <HtheB> ill upload it
Jun 03 00:09:28 <PolarFox> How can anyone sleep when there is the NHL finals going on.. :)
Jun 03 00:09:38 <MohammadAG> Meh
Jun 03 00:09:46 <MohammadAG> World Cup ftw
Jun 03 00:09:47 <ZogG> MohammadAG, today i saw girl with N900, so i started to talk and at the end got her number =) Nokia connecting people
Jun 03 00:09:51 <HtheB> WC <3
Jun 03 00:09:52 <Mousey> whats an NHL final? do you have to study for it?
Jun 03 00:09:57 <MohammadAG> I'm so waiting to start flaming
Jun 03 00:10:11 <lardman|home> night all
Jun 03 00:10:44 <PolarFox> N900 with good host support would make my photography "business" so much easier.. no need to drag a laptop with me for sending previews to the editor.. :)
Jun 03 00:10:52 <ZogG> MohammadAG, so how the fuck do they want us to organize all the contacts?
Jun 03 00:10:58 <HtheB> ok uploaded!
Jun 03 00:11:10 <asj> ZogG: it wasn't 21-479-7990 was it?
Jun 03 00:11:21 <HtheB> www.htheb.com/Sound_Silence_Pressing_Power.3gp
Jun 03 00:11:31 <ZogG> asj, are you girl?
Jun 03 00:11:31 <HtheB> sorry, taken with my Nokia 6230
Jun 03 00:11:49 <asj> ZogG: oops, 212-749-7990, google it :)
Jun 03 00:12:05 <HtheB> watch it Polar
Jun 03 00:12:07 <asj> ack, why can't I type it right, 479
Jun 03 00:12:38 <HtheB> www.lmgtfy.com/?q=212-479-7990
Jun 03 00:13:02 <MohammadAG> HtheB, I don
Jun 03 00:13:07 <MohammadAG> 't get that
Jun 03 00:13:16 <HtheB> did u watch the vid?
Jun 03 00:13:30 <HtheB> it's the pressing power button shizzle :p
Jun 03 00:13:31 <MohammadAG> yeah
Jun 03 00:13:39 <HtheB> if I just use my switch etc
Jun 03 00:13:42 <HtheB> no problems at all
Jun 03 00:13:53 <HtheB> but once the MENU drops down
Jun 03 00:13:54 <HtheB> when u press power
Jun 03 00:14:02 <HtheB> it will kill the sound for 2 secs
Jun 03 00:14:05 <ZogG> asj, man, you probably learned that number in a hard way
Jun 03 00:14:09 <HtheB> even if the screen is black already
Jun 03 00:14:20 <TheOne> hi guys
Jun 03 00:14:23 <asj> ZogG: I just think it's hilarious :)
Jun 03 00:14:24 <ZogG> asj, actually not that one, as she took my number first =)
Jun 03 00:14:46 <TheOne> can sameone tell me an app to view powerpoint presentations on my n900 ?
Jun 03 00:14:49 <ZogG> asj, yeah, it is =) but it's mean
Jun 03 00:15:15 <asj> ZogG: it's very passive agresive, if you don't have the balls to say "f off and die" then....oh wait..
Jun 03 00:15:17 <PolarFox> HtheB: funny.
Jun 03 00:15:37 <ZogG> asj, if girl can't say fuck of ,she is slut anyways =)
Jun 03 00:15:42 <ZogG> off*
Jun 03 00:15:45 <HtheB> weird problem idd
Jun 03 00:16:06 <ZogG> damn i alays fforget that there are kids here
Jun 03 00:16:09 <ZogG> sorry MohammadAG
Jun 03 00:16:32 <TheOne> exists such an app? ^^
Jun 03 00:17:03 <TheOne> or does i have to convert ppt files to pdf ?
Jun 03 00:17:10 <ZogG> PolarFox, so if your business is photography you would prob know
Jun 03 00:17:15 <Ken-Young> TheOne, Openoffice under Easy Debian would probably do it.
Jun 03 00:17:34 <ZogG> there is this program for n900 to edit photos
Jun 03 00:17:54 <ZogG> can it delete all the data of camera and so on, i mean from picture
Jun 03 00:18:16 <TheOne> hmm ooo would be cool but it is not touch optimized - i think it must be a pain to use it
Jun 03 00:18:24 <ZogG> Ken-Young, not the way to do it
Jun 03 00:18:26 <PolarFox> Editing photos on anything less GREAT laptop is waste of time.. :)
Jun 03 00:18:26 <TheOne> other options?
Jun 03 00:18:50 <PolarFox> But I do forget a lot of words... Maybe I really should sleep some..
Jun 03 00:18:53 <SpeedEvil> ZogG: Stripping exif data would be an obvious feature.
Jun 03 00:19:21 <ZogG> PolarFox, i don't need to edit - i want to delete all metadata of camera, just don't want anyone to track me =))
Jun 03 00:19:36 <ZogG> SpeedEvil, the question if it does that
Jun 03 00:19:54 <PolarFox> ZogG: Exiv2 ? :)
Jun 03 00:20:11 <PolarFox> Does it have an maemo port? :)
Jun 03 00:20:42 <ZogG> took photos of car today from exhibition and was told not to upload to internets =)
Jun 03 00:21:01 <ZogG> PolarFox, nope - there is photo editor program for maemo
Jun 03 00:21:02 <HtheB> this isnt the internets
Jun 03 00:21:04 <HtheB> its IRC! :p
Jun 03 00:21:23 <HtheB> ZogG, GIMP? :p
Jun 03 00:21:47 <PolarFox> Why use an photoeditor to remove metadata? :) exiv2 can do same thing from console. :)
Jun 03 00:21:51 <ZogG> HtheB for photo
Jun 03 00:22:02 <ZogG> anole or something like that
Jun 03 00:22:06 <HtheB> gims is for photo....
Jun 03 00:22:09 <HtheB> gimp*
Jun 03 00:22:15 <ZogG> HtheB gimp is for more
Jun 03 00:22:22 <HtheB> and for photo :P
Jun 03 00:22:23 <HtheB> heh
Jun 03 00:22:43 <HtheB> GNU Image manupulation P.....
Jun 03 00:22:48 <HtheB> program?
Jun 03 00:22:56 * ZogG throws crazy turtles on HtheB 
Jun 03 00:23:04 * HtheB dodges the turtles
Jun 03 00:23:38 * HtheB throws squeezes plastic bottles loaded with shit in it on ZogG 
Jun 03 00:23:43 <HtheB> -throws
Jun 03 00:23:57 <ZogG> failed
Jun 03 00:24:04 <HtheB> xD
Jun 03 00:24:11 <ZogG> )
Jun 03 00:24:18 <HtheB> PolarFox,
Jun 03 00:24:22 <HtheB> ill flash 1.2 again
Jun 03 00:24:32 <ZogG> just do it
Jun 03 00:25:06 <ZogG> i don't need to wake up in the morning
Jun 03 00:25:08 <HtheB> quick flash command pls
Jun 03 00:25:08 <ZogG> ]o/
Jun 03 00:25:17 <ZogG> ~flashing
Jun 03 00:25:18 <HtheB> -f
Jun 03 00:25:19 <infobot> it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jun 03 00:25:29 <HtheB> too lazy to check
Jun 03 00:25:30 <HtheB> sigh
Jun 03 00:25:31 <HtheB> ok
Jun 03 00:25:47 <ZogG> ~kick HtheB
Jun 03 00:25:48 * infobot kicks HtheB
Jun 03 00:25:59 <HtheB> fu
Jun 03 00:26:00 <HtheB> :P
Jun 03 00:26:02 <HtheB> heh
Jun 03 00:26:02 * ZogG is going back to sleep
Jun 03 00:26:06 <HtheB> nite ZogG
Jun 03 00:26:08 <ZogG> night
Jun 03 00:31:27 <HtheB> ok flashed :)
Jun 03 00:31:29 <HtheB> lets see now
Jun 03 00:33:13 <HtheB> PolarFox
Jun 03 00:34:18 <HtheB> wtf lol
Jun 03 00:34:30 <HtheB> theme fail
Jun 03 00:34:40 * TheOne found freeoffice, thats works perfekt - thx and bye
Jun 03 00:35:31 <HtheB> it works!
Jun 03 00:35:36 <HtheB> but my theme has been lost
Jun 03 00:35:38 <HtheB> lol!?
Jun 03 00:36:24 <ohwhyme> HtheB: What works?
Jun 03 00:36:39 <HtheB> www.htheb.com/Sound_Silence_Pressing_Power.3gp
Jun 03 00:36:44 <HtheB> i had this odd problem
Jun 03 00:36:58 <HtheB> pressing power made my sound get back to silence for 2 secs
Jun 03 00:37:08 <HtheB> while listening to music
Jun 03 00:38:07 <HtheB> my there was dissappeird
Jun 03 00:38:15 <HtheB> had some "windows 95" look a like buttons
Jun 03 00:38:21 <HtheB> :D
Jun 03 00:38:24 <HtheB> flashing again
Jun 03 00:39:59 <HtheB> damn
Jun 03 00:40:04 <HtheB> 2.40 already!
Jun 03 00:40:13 <HtheB> i shuold go to bed :/
Jun 03 00:42:33 <HtheB> \:D/
Jun 03 00:42:33 <HtheB> works
Jun 03 00:42:39 <HtheB> now lets put back the backup
Jun 03 00:42:43 <HtheB> and see if it makes the same problem
Jun 03 00:44:00 <rodald> hi everyone does anybody knows why i cant play the recorded videos  with the TV out?
Jun 03 00:44:42 <asj> rodald: wfm
Jun 03 00:45:31 <rodald> what do you mean?
Jun 03 00:45:44 <asj> rodald: works for me
Jun 03 00:45:55 <asj> rodald: do they play at all?
Jun 03 00:46:43 <rodald> oooh, yes on the device they play but it doesent show on the TV
Jun 03 00:47:01 <asj> ok, when you plug in tv-out does that work? show you the grid, etc
Jun 03 00:47:28 <rodald> everything else does shows but the recorded videos dont
Jun 03 00:47:33 <asj> no clue
Jun 03 00:48:30 <rodald> i can see all the other videos but i cant see the ones i recorded
Jun 03 00:52:10 <Macer> anybody here remember the name of the movie about the final days in the hitler bunker in berlin?
Jun 03 00:53:09 <pigeon> ok, downgraded telepathy-butterfly back to 0.5.4-1maemo0 and it works now
Jun 03 00:53:11 <rodald> does any body else has this problem? with the TV out
Jun 03 00:53:37 <asj> rodald: ah, haven't actually tried video I recorded myself, sec
Jun 03 00:54:19 <Macer> downfall
Jun 03 00:54:32 <rodald> and do you know if any body else has tried it?
Jun 03 00:57:10 <timeless_mbp> anyone here familiar w/ hildon2.2 theming?
Jun 03 00:57:50 <asj> rodald: tried it, fails.  3rd party video works, video the n900 recorded fails.
Jun 03 00:58:08 <asj> rodald: best I can suggest is filing a bug report at the maemo bugzilla
Jun 03 00:58:21 <asj> rodald: that'll mean it has a chance of getting fixed at least
Jun 03 00:58:55 <rodald> ok thank you, so it doesnt work with you either?
Jun 03 00:58:58 <Macer> asj: hm. i never tried the video out with the videos i made on the cam
Jun 03 00:59:10 <Macer> i should try it :)
Jun 03 00:59:27 <MohammadAG> wow
Jun 03 00:59:33 <MohammadAG> never seen a python app segfault
Jun 03 00:59:42 <rodald> try it maybe on yours it works
Jun 03 00:59:53 <Macer> MohammadAG: i thought python just calls other apps ;)
Jun 03 01:00:05 <Macer> rodald: hm. let me dig up the cable and give it a try.. brb
Jun 03 01:00:16 <asj> rodald: correct, I just tested it here (monitor has composite in) and it does not work.  camera application shows the picture while in camera mode looks pretty neat at 24", then switch to record video and I lose the video output.  Record video.  Try play back, black terminal.
Jun 03 01:01:24 <rodald> where can i file the bug?
Jun 03 01:01:49 <asj> rodald: https://bugs.maemo.org/index.cgi
Jun 03 01:03:46 <timeless_mbp> rodald:  did you try switching between NTSC and PAL?
Jun 03 01:04:17 <Macer> nope
Jun 03 01:04:22 <Macer> they don't :)
Jun 03 01:04:27 <MohammadAG> can anyone help with a pyQt app?
Jun 03 01:04:32 <rodald> yes but my TV its a regular one and if i change to PAL it apears with interference
Jun 03 01:04:44 <timeless_mbp> so what's the bug?
Jun 03 01:04:48 * timeless_mbp fishes for a cable
Jun 03 01:04:54 <Macer> heh
Jun 03 01:04:58 <Macer> rodald: just tried it
Jun 03 01:05:01 <Macer> avis work fine
Jun 03 01:05:15 <Macer> i don't have another h264 non n900 video to test with tho
Jun 03 01:05:16 <rodald> so it is because of the file format?
Jun 03 01:05:32 <Macer> i would guess it is because the n900 probably uses the hw decoder
Jun 03 01:05:50 <Macer> but that's just a wild guess ;)
Jun 03 01:06:13 <Macer> maybe the tv out port isn't connected to the hw decoder?
Jun 03 01:06:13 <asj> I don't buy that Macer
Jun 03 01:06:18 <Macer> :)
Jun 03 01:06:35 <Macer> well .. i get the vid on the phone but not on the tv
Jun 03 01:06:38 <asj> Macer: the view finder while taking video isn't output either, yet it is for pics
Jun 03 01:07:25 <asj> it's like an anti-drm feature ;)
Jun 03 01:07:37 <Macer> haha... i don't buy that ;)
Jun 03 01:07:43 <Macer> drm on n900 recorded video?
Jun 03 01:07:47 <asj> you can watch pirated, err legally aquired video, but not ones you record youself ;)
Jun 03 01:07:53 <Macer> hahaha
Jun 03 01:08:00 <Macer> that would be awesome :)
Jun 03 01:08:07 <Macer> anti-anti-piracy
Jun 03 01:08:46 <asj> eactly
Jun 03 01:09:19 <Macer> wtf. i have no idea where these damn scratches are coming from
Jun 03 01:09:24 <Macer> they are very small but noticable in light
Jun 03 01:09:34 <Macer> i'm starting to suspect the stylus
Jun 03 01:09:38 <Macer> i take very good care of my n900
Jun 03 01:09:54 <Macer> i think i'll get a screen protector so it won't show as badly
Jun 03 01:10:05 <asj> Macer: that'll make the screen horrible
Jun 03 01:10:07 <rodald> i have the same problem and my screen protector arrives in two weeks :(
Jun 03 01:10:16 * timeless_mbp frowns
Jun 03 01:10:18 <asj> touch wise
Jun 03 01:10:25 <rodald> and i really thake good care of it
Jun 03 01:10:27 * timeless_mbp can't find the cable
Jun 03 01:10:28 <Macer> asj: i've used a screen protector on my n810
Jun 03 01:10:30 * timeless_mbp used it recently
Jun 03 01:10:32 <Macer> it works fine
Jun 03 01:10:33 <Macer> :)
Jun 03 01:10:34 * timeless_mbp will just have to grab another
Jun 03 01:10:44 <asj> no comment ;)
Jun 03 01:10:48 <Macer> heh
Jun 03 01:10:51 * MohammadAG can't figure out how a pyQt app segfaults
Jun 03 01:10:51 <asj> I hate symbian
Jun 03 01:10:54 <Macer> i need to order a protector
Jun 03 01:11:06 <MohammadAG> class MyForm(QtGui.QMainWindow):
Jun 03 01:11:06 <MohammadAG>         def __init__(self, parent=None):
Jun 03 01:11:06 <MohammadAG>                 #build parent user interface
Jun 03 01:11:06 <MohammadAG>                 QtGui.QWidget.__init__(self, parent)
Jun 03 01:11:06 <MohammadAG>                 self.ui = Ui_MainWindow()
Jun 03 01:11:13 <MohammadAG> is that right ^?
Jun 03 01:11:32 <asj> I just flashed an n900, emmc, everything.  Startup is very nice, asks for date/time, even tells you how to use the UI
Jun 03 01:11:41 <rodald> i ordered one from Hong Kong and it takes 2 weeks to get to Guatemala
Jun 03 01:12:01 <asj> I hard reset a symbian device and it says "Date: 01/01/2009" wtf is it m/d/y y/m/d? wtf, nice startup
Jun 03 01:12:08 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 03 01:12:48 <timeless_mbp> asj: eh?
Jun 03 01:13:19 <asj> timeless_mbp: it asks for the date and you don't know the format
Jun 03 01:13:45 <timeless_mbp> asj: oh, that's a nokia hallmark
Jun 03 01:13:51 <timeless_mbp> it's designed to ensure you screw up :)
Jun 03 01:13:56 <MohammadAG> lol
Jun 03 01:14:24 <Ken-Young> It just wants a very standard Star Trek Stardate - what't the problem?
Jun 03 01:14:38 <timeless_mbp> Ken-Young: i don't think that's stardate format
Jun 03 01:14:50 <rodald> so, if i change the format to .avi will it show?
Jun 03 01:15:07 <Kegetys> proper system would ask to input unixtime
Jun 03 01:16:33 <Ken-Young> Kegetys, You could used one of those scrolling Hildon picker widgets with all possible Unix times.
Jun 03 01:17:31 <Kegetys> :)
Jun 03 01:18:44 <asj> Ken-Young: you would have to have it auto scroll to keep up
Jun 03 01:18:57 <asj> actually I think the clock hands for setting the time is cool
Jun 03 01:19:25 <MohammadAG> is strace available for maemo?
Jun 03 01:20:04 <MohammadAG> nvm
Jun 03 01:21:23 <Macer> heh
Jun 03 01:21:33 <pupnik> suggestion for nokia: 1800-2000mah and power-saving resistive for next meego device
Jun 03 01:21:39 <MohammadAG> :/
Jun 03 01:21:46 <MohammadAG> app runs on Ubuntu
Jun 03 01:21:49 <pupnik> yes MohammadAG
Jun 03 01:21:51 <MohammadAG> but segfaults on the N900
Jun 03 01:22:02 <MohammadAG> pupnik, I'm just ranting
Jun 03 01:22:58 <cehteh> MohammadAG: C/C++?
Jun 03 01:23:06 <MohammadAG> pyqt...
Jun 03 01:23:06 <pigeon> PolarFox: ah, that list i was thinking of is http://maemo.org/packages/repository/builds/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/all/ and http://maemo.org/packages/repository/latest/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/all/
Jun 03 01:23:44 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:~# python ./hostmode.py
Jun 03 01:23:44 <MohammadAG> Segmentation fault
Jun 03 01:23:53 <asj> pupnik: might as well make it water proof too  eh?
Jun 03 01:24:31 <GAN900> Man the Dell Streak is boring
Jun 03 01:24:43 <MohammadAG> stat64("/usr/local/sbin/python", 0xbef2b100) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
Jun 03 01:24:43 <MohammadAG> stat64("/usr/local/bin/python", 0xbef2b100) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
Jun 03 01:24:43 <MohammadAG> stat64("/usr/sbin/python", 0xbef2b100)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
Jun 03 01:24:45 <MohammadAG> huh
Jun 03 01:25:03 <asj> seriouly, we have a pad and a streak?
Jun 03 01:25:13 <MohammadAG> rofl
Jun 03 01:25:43 <GAN900> Snapdragon, 5" 800x480
Jun 03 01:25:46 <GAN900> Android
Jun 03 01:25:49 <GAN900> Borrrring
Jun 03 01:27:42 <timeless_mbp> hi GAN900
Jun 03 01:27:49 <timeless_mbp> have you tried portrait mail?
Jun 03 01:30:14 <MohammadAG> Shapeshifter, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54559
Jun 03 01:31:40 <pigeon> just double checking, is extras-devel or extras-testing more "experimental"?
Jun 03 01:31:52 <njsf_> extras-devel is more experimental
Jun 03 01:31:55 <MohammadAG> -devel
Jun 03 01:31:57 <pupnik> heck, i dunno if it would sell, but it might.  a bit bigger device with wider/longer batt
Jun 03 01:31:59 <pigeon> thank you.
Jun 03 01:32:08 <MohammadAG> SDK repo is suicide
Jun 03 01:32:32 <pigeon> which one is the sdk repo?
Jun 03 01:32:46 <MohammadAG> the one in the SDK :)
Jun 03 01:32:52 <MohammadAG> repository.maemo.org
Jun 03 01:33:28 <asj> pupnik: and with a waterproof verison it's a great boat anchor! ;)
Jun 03 01:33:46 <Ken-Young> What is the purpose of "Maemo Select" ? How is it supposed to differ from the Ovi Store?
Jun 03 01:35:25 <asj> Ken-Young: to configure customers, it's nokia after all ;0
Jun 03 01:35:51 <pupnik> asj: the point i am emphasizing is that larger is still pocketable but offers space for better screen, keyboard, and much more battery
Jun 03 01:35:51 <njsf_> asj: you meant confuse right ?
Jun 03 01:35:52 <timeless_mbp> Ken-Young: ovi store requires an ovi account
Jun 03 01:35:57 <timeless_mbp> maemo stuff does not
Jun 03 01:36:10 <asj> njsf_: lol, yes
Jun 03 01:36:14 <timeless_mbp> njsf_: see nokia confused asj :)
Jun 03 01:36:28 <Ken-Young> timeless, But why not just have it in Extras then?
Jun 03 01:36:41 <njsf_> Hmmm also it is  because when the n900 first arrived Ovi Store for it was not there
Jun 03 01:37:48 <njsf_> Ken-Young: I think because they wanted those apps as lure to the ovi store
Jun 03 01:37:54 <njsf_> where they can actually charge you
Jun 03 01:38:06 <njsf_> the HAM does not have any link to any account
Jun 03 01:38:12 <Ken-Young> njsf_, But there are free apps in the Ovi Store too.
Jun 03 01:38:53 <njsf_> Ken-Young: yes... those are the lure, you are the fish, the paid apps are the hook ;)
Jun 03 01:39:09 <Ken-Young> njsf_, SO why have Maemo Select too?
Jun 03 01:39:23 <njsf_> Ken-Young: because at first there was no Ovi Store
Jun 03 01:39:29 <njsf_> it was just a coming soon page
Jun 03 01:39:45 <njsf_> but some apps were ready and people wanted them
Jun 03 01:40:04 <njsf_> also on select there are links also to some apps on extras in addition to Ovi
Jun 03 01:40:10 <Ken-Young> njsf_, Isn't that what the Extras repository is for?
Jun 03 01:40:20 <njsf_> it was a way for Nokia to show _some_ apps at launch time
Jun 03 01:40:42 <timeless_mbp> Ken-Young: have which where?
Jun 03 01:40:48 <njsf_> Ken-Young: I am not the de-confuser ;)
Jun 03 01:41:18 <Ken-Young> njsf_, I was counting on you to reveal the grand design to me!
Jun 03 01:41:53 <njsf_> You assume there is one....
Jun 03 01:42:00 <timeless_mbp> Ken-Young: it *is* in extras
Jun 03 01:42:09 <timeless_mbp> select is basically extra advertising
Jun 03 01:42:19 <timeless_mbp> Ken-Young: try loading http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/applications/hermes/
Jun 03 01:42:25 <Ken-Young> timeless, So everything in "Maemo Select" is in Extras too?
Jun 03 01:42:29 <timeless_mbp> click the download link in a non maemo browser
Jun 03 01:42:34 <timeless_mbp> well
Jun 03 01:42:51 <njsf_> No some are links free ovi apps
Jun 03 01:42:56 <njsf_> like firefox
Jun 03 01:43:02 <pigeon> i wish hermes will prompt for what to sync, rather than silently syncing everything.
Jun 03 01:43:04 <timeless_mbp> http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo-select/applications/skype/
Jun 03 01:43:12 <timeless_mbp> skype is preinstalled
Jun 03 01:43:21 <Ken-Young> OK, I think I understand now.   Thanks.
Jun 03 01:43:24 <timeless_mbp> and has some totally messed up copy on the right side
Jun 03 01:44:13 <timeless_mbp> you can also get firefox from mozilla.org
Jun 03 01:44:20 <timeless_mbp> and it's probably better that way..
Jun 03 01:49:52 <asj> and to be honest, as someone who looked at trying to get an app into the Ovi Store, for a single developer at home it's almost impossible
Jun 03 01:50:45 <asj> the paperwork, gov't this, gov't that, $50 here, $200 there, wtf waste of time especially if it's oss/free or cheap anyways
Jun 03 01:51:21 <GAN900> asj, amen
Jun 03 01:51:37 <GAN900> asj, Nokia is retarded as far as shit like that goes.
Jun 03 01:51:40 <GAN900> Apple got it right
Jun 03 01:51:56 <Ken-Young> It's amazing how many things Apple got right.
Jun 03 01:52:19 <asj> Apple did, $99 once and you're golden.  Though I don't like their sole control over selection, but that's apple and price you pay to dance with the devil
Jun 03 01:52:40 <GAN900> Yeah
Jun 03 01:52:55 <GAN900> Not perfect, but liability insurance for Ovi is just INSANE.
Jun 03 01:53:43 <Ken-Young> GAN900, THey make you purchase liability insurance to sell in the Ovi store?
Jun 03 01:54:20 <GAN900> Ken-Young, last time I checked.
Jun 03 01:54:25 <asj> is that part of the ovi store registration fee? or separate?
Jun 03 01:54:37 <Ken-Young> GAN900, I had no idea.   That's nutty.
Jun 03 01:55:07 <asj> Ken-Young: I'm amazed there's anything on the ovi store
Jun 03 01:55:28 <Ken-Young> Angry BIrds.   Gotta love 'em.
Jun 03 01:55:31 <GAN900> asj, well, there's not, really.
Jun 03 01:55:40 <asj> Ken-Young: when I brought this up the answer I got is "we don't want apps from single/lone developers in a basement, it takes a dev team+UI team to make a good app"
Jun 03 01:55:42 <GAN900> asj, only from established non-indie dev houses.
Jun 03 01:55:54 <GAN900> asj, which is hilarious
Jun 03 01:55:56 <Ken-Young> GAN900, I will not listen to people bad-mouthing Little Snow Pricess videos.
Jun 03 01:56:11 <Ken-Young> s/Pricess/Princess/
Jun 03 01:56:11 <infobot> Ken-Young meant: GAN900, I will not listen to people bad-mouthing Little Snow Princess videos.
Jun 03 01:56:12 <GAN900> considering the shit Nokia and its dev partners routinely churns out
Jun 03 01:56:30 <asj> GAN900: touche ;)
Jun 03 01:56:48 <GAN900> They don't even have UI people on Fremantle anymore
Jun 03 01:58:08 * timeless_mbp sighs
Jun 03 01:58:19 <timeless_mbp> anyone here understand glade?
Jun 03 01:59:04 <timeless_mbp> asj: it takes a dev team+UI team to make a truly *bad* app
Jun 03 01:59:04 <asj> GAN900: well...freemantle is in maintenance mode <shrug> you'de hope they are on maemo6,e tc
Jun 03 01:59:43 <timeless_mbp> you need 3 ui designers to talk past each-other to ensure as much inconsistency as possible
Jun 03 02:01:43 <timeless_mbp> does anyone here understand how to control spacing in a tree using glade xml?
Jun 03 02:01:58 <asj> timeless_mbp: I don't think it's always true, but it certainly seems to work damn well
Jun 03 02:05:31 * timeless_mbp sighs
Jun 03 02:05:39 <timeless_mbp> how the heck does one change the row height in a tree? :(
Jun 03 02:10:03 <Macer> omg land of the lost just cracked me up
Jun 03 02:10:25 <Macer> the part where the t-rex throws a huge walnut at the cave wrapped up like a gift was a riot
Jun 03 02:15:30 <GeneralAntilles> timeless_mbp, no, what's the shortcut for portrait mail?
Jun 03 02:18:02 <timeless_mbp> ctrl-shift-r
Jun 03 02:18:20 <timeless_mbp> but you'll want to install my strings otherwise you get unlocalized strings :)
Jun 03 02:19:40 * timeless_mbp grumbles
Jun 03 02:20:00 <timeless_mbp> is there anything which shows a picture with labels indicating how each glade property affects an object?
Jun 03 02:20:10 <timeless_mbp> (glade)
Jun 03 02:20:22 <pigeon> does anyone know how i could add my own "folder" with catorise?
Jun 03 02:20:30 <opdf2> app manager says I got no applications installed
Jun 03 02:20:42 <LiraNuna> can anyone get kernel-power working with PR1.2?
Jun 03 02:21:12 <opdf2> error log: Problem opening /var/lib/apt/lists/download.maemo.nokia.com_frementle1.2_ovi_._Packages
Jun 03 02:21:20 <pigeon> oh, there's a list in the perl script of catorise...
Jun 03 02:21:29 <LiraNuna> I can't get wifi and 3G to work - the device simply crashes when the connection is made
Jun 03 02:21:47 <timeless_mbp> lira: which device and which os version?
Jun 03 02:22:04 <LiraNuna> N900, latest
Jun 03 02:22:26 <LiraNuna> OTA update
Jun 03 02:22:29 <timeless_mbp> sorry, could i have that in the form of a number?
Jun 03 02:22:33 <timeless_mbp> 1.1.1?
Jun 03 02:22:36 <LiraNuna> yes, hold on
Jun 03 02:22:38 <timeless_mbp> 1.1?
Jun 03 02:22:39 <LiraNuna> ah, 1.2
Jun 03 02:22:42 <timeless_mbp> ok
Jun 03 02:22:46 <LiraNuna> <LiraNuna> can anyone get kernel-power working with PR1.2?
Jun 03 02:22:52 * timeless_mbp shrugs
Jun 03 02:22:56 <timeless_mbp> i have access to a post 1.2
Jun 03 02:23:05 <LiraNuna> :O
Jun 03 02:23:06 <timeless_mbp> so when people say "latest", I think "it's all relative"
Jun 03 02:23:12 <LiraNuna> I see
Jun 03 02:23:18 <LiraNuna> latest public release :)
Jun 03 02:23:33 <timeless_mbp> sometimes that's kinda random
Jun 03 02:23:44 <LiraNuna> latest US public release?
Jun 03 02:23:45 <LiraNuna> :P
Jun 03 02:23:46 <timeless_mbp> e.g, there's a virtualbox 3.2.0
Jun 03 02:23:53 <timeless_mbp> but the update check doesn't offer it
Jun 03 02:24:01 <timeless_mbp> because it had a big memory leak
Jun 03 02:24:03 <LiraNuna> interesting
Jun 03 02:24:07 <hunt> anybody who could tell me which is the latest device of maemo? n900? or ?
Jun 03 02:24:17 <LiraNuna> N900 at this moment
Jun 03 02:24:24 <timeless_mbp> and supposedly there was a 1.2 in hong kong a long time before the real 1.2
Jun 03 02:24:26 <LiraNuna> unless Nokia is working on N910 or N1000
Jun 03 02:24:35 <timeless_mbp> i'm still not sure if that's true, or whether it was just a leak or something
Jun 03 02:24:39 <LiraNuna> timeless_mbp, yeah, I've heard about that
Jun 03 02:24:46 <timeless_mbp> but it's really a bad idea to make people guess
Jun 03 02:24:58 <LiraNuna> true. but I DID specify the version
Jun 03 02:25:24 <timeless_mbp> those two questions didn't appear related :)
Jun 03 02:25:37 <LiraNuna> anyway, anyone experiencing similar problems?
Jun 03 02:25:57 <LiraNuna> BANANA SPLIT
Jun 03 02:26:05 <timeless_mbp> cherry on top?
Jun 03 02:28:29 <pigeon> hmm, starting to like catorise now... now that i know how to create my own catergories...
Jun 03 02:29:05 * timeless_mbp likes it w/o needing to do that
Jun 03 02:36:44 <GeneralAntilles> I just wish I were better at predicting where people put packages.
Jun 03 02:42:47 <opdf2> i ended disabling and enabling repo's one by one until I found the culprit
Jun 03 02:46:37 <opdf2> turns out I had extras twice. argh
Jun 03 02:48:07 <opdf2> I enabled one by hand before I OTA 1.2, then after 1.2 has maemo.org repo enabled by default
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