**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 05 02:59:57 2010 Jun 05 03:03:38 astruasdh: Launches everything necessary for the lxde in the debian chroot Jun 05 03:05:03 Dassu ya... but /tmp was -bind in the chroot environment... so a startx will not help. do u know the trick? Jun 05 03:10:54 astruasdh: what do you mean by "bind" ? Jun 05 03:29:26 Dassu: mount --bind Jun 05 03:31:52 grrr I'll break my n900! hehe I am being defeated by lxde1 Jun 05 03:43:11 Ever since I upgraded to PR1.2, CTRL-SHIFT-I to turn on reflow mode in the browser doesn't work. Has anyone else experienced this? Jun 05 03:51:17 hoorraayyyy worked with xnest Jun 05 03:51:19 works not on all websites Jun 05 03:52:06 "If you change the Text Size in the browser options to Large it will always automatically reflow the text. Personally, I think this should be a separate option no matter what the text size. " Jun 05 03:57:21 what is the easy-debian's magic to be able to play music? Jun 05 03:58:35 mp3 Jun 05 03:59:25 type_t hmmm I'm using chroot in a custom debian image, and there is no way to play some music! Jun 05 03:59:31 moo Jun 05 03:59:35 type_t do u know what is the trick? Jun 05 03:59:48 woo zeemote in hand! Jun 05 04:00:51 astruasdh: install mplayer or some other command line player? Jun 05 04:01:04 ham5: When I press SHIFT+CTRL+I, it brings up the location bar. Though, it just toggled after the latest attempt... Weird. Jun 05 04:02:07 SwedeMike hmmm not really. I installed audacious Jun 05 04:02:45 I'm installing mplayer now Jun 05 04:02:46 astruasdh: that's what I use normally on my desktop, but it wasn't evident from your question what you were after. Jun 05 04:04:06 MohammadAG51: don't nuke anything if I'm *not* here in 6 hours :-P Jun 05 04:04:40 MohammadAG51: I know that will be hard for you, but at least try not to nuke too much Jun 05 04:05:01 ham5: I wonder if someone could write a browser plugin that changes the text font size from a keyboard shortcut or gesture. Jun 05 04:05:39 Pavel: that would be really nice, I often feel I want to change the font size but it's too much of a hassle Jun 05 04:07:37 I mean, CTRL+= and CTRL+- in Firefox and others don't zoom in or out, they just change the baseline font size. Jun 05 04:12:04 lol, wife is calling every place around trying to find an ipad in stock, women Jun 05 04:13:23 SwedeMike I think the chroot is not being able to access the audio... mplayer cried about many things... one of them was about the /dev/dsp that does not exist Jun 05 04:14:24 astruasdh: /dev/dsp has to exist in the chrooted environment, but even in that case, pulseaudio has it open and it couldn;t talk to it anyways Jun 05 04:14:25 astruasdh: sounds about right, sounds like you need to use pulse or something else that doesnt need file directly Jun 05 04:15:33 hmmm what should I do? install some pulse apps in the chrooted debian? Jun 05 04:16:23 nope totatly the wong path Jun 05 04:16:41 what do u suggest me? Jun 05 04:18:24 read up chroot Jun 05 04:18:34 * asj_ heads out Jun 05 04:19:05 everything is working fine... lxde with xnest, openoffice, xchat, iceweasel. The only trouble is the sound! Jun 05 04:22:25 heh Jun 05 04:23:46 the problem is not /dev, because this dir is -bind'ed Jun 05 04:36:24 cya Jun 05 04:36:25 ty Jun 05 05:10:27 hello im trying to install kismet on my n900 can anyone help me Jun 05 06:20:21 how can I play a music inside a debian image (easy-chrooted)? Jun 05 08:35:34 hmm, it looks like BME is using smbus to talk to whatever it is talking to Jun 05 08:37:24 Chocolate bread on the go, whee! Jun 05 08:47:00 anyone get evopedia working with a dump? I cant get the evopedia program to select the dump directory, after I extract the dump, and navigate to the folder in evopedia, it just looks inside the folder for some file it isnt finding Jun 05 08:54:26 * Gadgetoid_iMac greased the shaft of his breadmaker Jun 05 09:10:58 xim_: strace? Jun 05 09:12:17 SpeedEvil, ?? Jun 05 09:12:44 to work out the file Jun 05 09:14:15 its more like an interface problem, like when you have a "choose a directory" dialog, and you click the directory and rather than choosing it it just goes into it, and theres no explicit "select" button Jun 05 09:14:50 evopedia settings are done through a web interface Jun 05 09:16:08 not than any file is really missing, i just cant get it to select the directory rather than navigating inside it Jun 05 09:20:47 Bummer. It seems to be impossible to generate "every x " events using the python libalarm bindings. e.g. every 4 minutes. Jun 05 09:36:44 xim_: you could find out which file it wants, and put it there I meant Jun 05 09:36:50 however - you have reported a bug? Jun 05 09:42:59 xim_: the button showing the directory is the "select" button Jun 05 09:45:20 is there a "ringtone" api of any kind to set ringtones? Jun 05 09:45:43 I vaguely recall that this can be done through dbus. Jun 05 09:45:51 Or was it gconf. Jun 05 09:46:12 On reflection, please ignore me, I am quite ignorant on this aspect of the device. Jun 05 10:05:45 quite satisfying to make my own desktop background with pure blue sky and rolling hills :) Jun 05 10:07:12 is "Bus error" related to python dependency problem? Jun 05 10:07:41 is the phone app open source? Jun 05 10:07:59 opdf2, stull having problems? Jun 05 10:08:09 yeah I cant figure it out Jun 05 10:08:12 did you see the postings online about your app problem and bus error? Jun 05 10:08:31 yeah but the author hasn't replied Jun 05 10:09:04 what app is it Jun 05 10:09:22 maybe something is wrong with my python-dbus Jun 05 10:09:26 the app is erminig Jun 05 10:09:57 thats possible Jun 05 10:11:47 opdf2, file a bug https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?atid=2623&group_id=702&func=browse Jun 05 10:12:04 author does seem to respond better than reading a thread Jun 05 10:13:05 Looks like I will file a bug if I can't find anything else Jun 05 10:13:42 well its something thats been identified by more than just you, when did it start? Jun 05 10:13:54 after updating anything? (his app, pr1.2? something else)? Jun 05 10:14:49 I OTA 1.2 and erminig was working fine until today Jun 05 10:15:16 I must have updated another app Jun 05 10:15:22 which screwed with erminig Jun 05 10:15:32 so it was working after you OTA pr1.2? Jun 05 10:15:36 or its not worked since Jun 05 10:16:02 after pr1.2 sometimes after boot my n900 seems to be really slow, as it would not have enough memory. Reboot seems to fix the problem. Anyone else have this problem? Jun 05 10:17:39 lcuk:  It was working after I ota 1.2 Jun 05 10:20:23 good to hear, then i suggest you file a bug Jun 05 10:21:18 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5 timeline doesn't mention the 1.2 SDK Jun 05 10:22:39 heya lbt Jun 05 10:22:43 o/ Jun 05 10:23:00 * lbt thought I should do something with the new SDK Jun 05 10:27:10 hmm just noticed somethin. tried to sudo gainroot and it says "Enable RD mode if you want to break your device" Jun 05 10:27:19 I've never gotten this message b4 with gainroot Jun 05 10:28:26 opdf2; did you flash pr1.2? Jun 05 10:28:39 lbt, like what Jun 05 10:28:52 Jun 05 10:28:57 Trizt:  yeah OTA Jun 05 10:29:01 Trizt, he OTAd but that doesnt explain lack of gainrooting, opdf2 reinstall rootsh Jun 05 10:29:04 RST38h, haye Jun 05 10:29:17 lcuk:  okay Jun 05 10:29:43 opdf2; okey OTA shouldn't unistall anything, I second lcuk Jun 05 10:30:15 hmm I guess it was uninstalled when I OTA Jun 05 10:34:09 Is there a list of what daemons do/ Jun 05 10:34:11 What's ohmd? Jun 05 10:34:13 moo, lcuk Jun 05 10:34:22 OTA srewed up , flashing ftw Jun 05 10:34:46 The Cyrillic Keyboard Layout Switch Finally Defeated!!! Jun 05 10:34:54 Thanks to a new guy on the block, too Jun 05 10:35:11 RST38h do you use cyrillic on hw? Jun 05 10:35:22 ZogG: As of today, I do. Jun 05 10:35:28 i don't Jun 05 10:35:30 * Trizt wish there was some good menu for maemo Jun 05 10:35:37 ZogG: That is because you cannot =) Jun 05 10:35:37 only on vkrbd Jun 05 10:35:42 lcuk: well, upgrade sbox to start with ;) Jun 05 10:35:48 RST38h, why can't i? Jun 05 10:35:53 I'm on Diablo I think.... Jun 05 10:35:56 Well, try Jun 05 10:35:58 lbt seems like a reasonable thing lol Jun 05 10:36:08 tho i used diablo for ages to build Jun 05 10:36:12 You have got a device with all four arrow keys in place, right? Jun 05 10:36:18 infact i had chinook afaik Jun 05 10:36:21 welcome back lcuk o/ Jun 05 10:36:28 hiya frals, ty Jun 05 10:36:32 lcuk: Do not tell me you are no longer building on the native hw... =) Jun 05 10:36:44 RST38h, it remapps my english keyboard and i dont like it, as well as there are no place on hw keybrd it remap arrows to letters =( Jun 05 10:36:47 RST38h, that was before i started Jun 05 10:36:58 but why shouldnt i tell you :p Jun 05 10:37:06 okay looks like it has to do something with dbus, http://paste2.org/p/865382 Jun 05 10:37:08 im thinking about it more than ever now theres space on pr1.2 ;) Jun 05 10:37:17 build-essential fits nicely Jun 05 10:37:41 how much does it take? Jun 05 10:37:49 too much lol Jun 05 10:37:55 would be nice if i could package on device without having to start virtualbox Jun 05 10:37:58 Silly lcuk. Jun 05 10:38:03 i wanted to optify them but its in the sdk Jun 05 10:38:03 Put it in a chroot! Jun 05 10:38:09 im going to SpeedEvil Jun 05 10:38:24 but it has to be deployable easily Jun 05 10:38:38 also, never, ever import gtk in python if its a app/plugin that should be always on Jun 05 10:38:44 and i was hoping to use natural stuff so same install works cross platform Jun 05 10:38:47 ah Jun 05 10:39:09 right lcuk once you made it easy to deploy send me the deployment files so i can use em ;) Jun 05 10:39:10 Is there a clean and sane way to do this though. Jun 05 10:39:36 For example - any random libraries you need to install while compiling won't be optified Jun 05 10:40:15 well thats where the optify-boottime idea initially came from, i wanted include folder to be optified wholesale Jun 05 10:40:23 as well as liqbase lol Jun 05 10:41:06 someone said the footprint for build-essential was 30mb Jun 05 10:41:16 build-dep for liqbase is small and light Jun 05 10:41:30 ZogG: Basically, that has been worked around Jun 05 10:41:31 and compile time for the smallish apps people want is about 10 seconds total Jun 05 10:41:40 ~2seconds per module Jun 05 10:41:45 Even the kernel is quite managable Jun 05 10:41:51 3 hours only Jun 05 10:41:59 ZogG: Check this out: bug #2501 Jun 05 10:42:00 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501 Hardware keyboard doesn't switch Input language when pressing Ctrl+Space Jun 05 10:42:04 yeah well i dont need such heavyweight things Jun 05 10:42:12 ZogG: The workaround is given near the end Jun 05 10:42:13 lcuk: you don't use the kernel? Jun 05 10:42:20 * RST38h out Jun 05 10:42:21 lcuk: You've written liqkernel? Jun 05 10:42:23 dont need to build it on device Jun 05 10:42:26 release! Jun 05 10:42:27 :) Jun 05 10:42:33 Hrm, I need to draw an icon for my app now :( Jun 05 10:43:25 RST38h didn't know, anyway i don't have letters on keyboard (i have us versiion) and as i said it mess the setting as russian version different from usa Jun 05 10:43:25 alterego, if yo uaren't an artist just do what you can and request input during testing phase Jun 05 10:43:45 lcuk: I'm not bad, I'm just not in the mood? Jun 05 10:43:57 you tell me Jun 05 10:44:32 Oh, yeah, that wasn't a question ;) Jun 05 10:44:42 :P Jun 05 10:44:58 my shoulders and back are lobster red o_O Jun 05 10:45:09 I'm just going to make it a montage of icons that are already available on the device ^.^ Jun 05 10:45:32 whats the app Jun 05 10:46:01 Media IM status updater Jun 05 10:46:32 so shares your playlist with all your microblogs? Jun 05 10:46:36 and IM thingies? Jun 05 10:51:18 Well, it just updates your telepathy presence message for a set of configured accounts to the track you're listening to on the N900 Jun 05 10:53:00 lcuk: I thought you already saw these: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/media-im-status-updater/ Jun 05 10:53:30 what theme is that? Jun 05 10:53:38 * frals is considering changing from default Jun 05 10:53:38 Carbon Jun 05 10:54:02 Why do does every one keep asking me about that theme :P Jun 05 10:54:17 tis looks good? ;) Jun 05 10:56:32 heh Jun 05 10:56:59 anyone noticed new "Enter code to remove operator lock" in 1.2 Settings titlebar menu? Jun 05 10:57:05 http://www.ikey.com/NewProducts/?productID=158 - imagine that for a phone keyboard :) Jun 05 10:57:18 I guess that means it's possible to operatorlock n900 these days :( Jun 05 10:57:53 ShadowJK, would need to be double jointed to do capital letters ;) Jun 05 10:58:01 arachnist even Jun 05 10:58:03 sorry Jun 05 10:58:08 yeah there's something wrong with my D-Bus bindings. Is there a way to fix that Jun 05 10:58:32 opdf2, sounds like you are having a bit of a package collapse Jun 05 10:58:40 you might be better with backup reflash restore Jun 05 10:58:53 rather than playing whackamole Jun 05 10:59:15 I know what caused it, pysafe. It has some weird dependency issues Jun 05 10:59:24 That is the last update I did Jun 05 10:59:25 so its pynotsosafe Jun 05 10:59:37 exactly Jun 05 10:59:51 is it in full extras? Jun 05 11:00:18 btw, how does one change the icon order in pr1.2? Jun 05 11:00:43 (in the "menu") Jun 05 11:00:59 lcuk:  no devel Jun 05 11:01:07 just saw Jun 05 11:01:23 mmm why doesnt maemo packages interface list the changelog for apps Jun 05 11:01:37 it would be a useful addition Jun 05 11:02:01 http://maemo.org/packages/ Jun 05 11:02:11 it does? Jun 05 11:02:18 http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmms/ Jun 05 11:02:25 "Changes" Jun 05 11:05:49 lcuk have asked for that in brainstorm 2010 packages =) Jun 05 11:06:08 or are you meaning something else? Jun 05 11:06:25 arachnist just touch the screen for a long time and you get it Jun 05 11:06:52 frals, o_O indeed, i was looking here http://maemo.org/packages/view/maegirls/ Jun 05 11:06:54 frals it would be nice to have in app manager as well Jun 05 11:07:06 and no changes Jun 05 11:07:42 lcuk haha, there is nothing in maegirls changes, it's all the same once a month =))) Jun 05 11:07:57 frals i assume you have russian translation Jun 05 11:08:00 lol ZogG Jun 05 11:08:17 lcuk: probably because everything is in the .diff, should probably report a bug about it Jun 05 11:08:45 frals i don't think everyone even comment changes for themselfs Jun 05 11:08:50 ZogG: no, http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fmms/c/ui/ Jun 05 11:09:22 frals orly? and hebrew(though that one would be harder for me) Jun 05 11:09:31 ZogG, for debian, the version number which is essential to be increased is part and parcel of the change file Jun 05 11:09:38 so would should even empty change entries Jun 05 11:09:41 the ones i have is listed on the link, feel free to add missing ones Jun 05 11:09:53 well spotted frals Jun 05 11:10:19 you are on a roll today lol Jun 05 11:12:34 ZogG: thanks Jun 05 11:12:35 is there a way to run android applications on maemo? Jun 05 11:14:10 loufoque: no public way Jun 05 11:14:34 In that some people have shown it running - but they have not published howtos Jun 05 11:15:06 i wonder if their "java vm" would compile cleanly with other libc than their (android) bastardized one Jun 05 11:17:26 baaah changing theme just changed all my backgrounds as well Jun 05 11:17:38 frals: yeah that's incredibly annoying Jun 05 11:17:46 couldve atleast asked :( Jun 05 11:18:10 and the damn background picker also doesn't remember the folder you picked the last one from Jun 05 11:18:23 frals, is headers (first one is like title? ) or it's metadata of msg? Jun 05 11:18:24 back Jun 05 11:18:25 so either you put them into their image folder, or you have to browse to your folder every time Jun 05 11:18:39 ZogG: 'message headers' so yeah, metadata of message Jun 05 11:18:56 hm Shapeshifter. Have you filed a bug? Or better: Fixed the issue? Sounds easy enough to fix anyway :-) Jun 05 11:19:19 thank god for live search in the filechooser Jun 05 11:19:56 :) Jun 05 11:20:31 muelli: huh, it's nokia closed source stuff. and nah, I don't care too much so I'd file a bug. Jun 05 11:20:55 Shapeshifter: you're sure it's closed source? Jun 05 11:21:05 frals almost done, though not sure ho to translate Havoc in less than 10 symbols =-) Jun 05 11:21:06 muelli: no ^^ Jun 05 11:21:24 :) Jun 05 11:21:36 ah, backgrounds restored \o/ Jun 05 11:21:39 muelli: actually it might be open. Jun 05 11:21:49 Shapeshifter: you'd be surprised: Very little is proprietary. That was one reason for me to get the N900 in first place :-) Jun 05 11:21:57 wow I can't even backup lol Jun 05 11:22:12 muelli: all the apps are. contacts, calendar, even modest if I'm not mistaken Jun 05 11:22:22 phone Jun 05 11:22:28 image viewer! Jun 05 11:22:32 O_o Jun 05 11:22:34 which totally misses a billion features Jun 05 11:22:38 nope. All that is open. Jun 05 11:22:49 muelli: huh Jun 05 11:23:02 frals as the one word i can think about havoc in russian more than 10 letters i would say "strick" in russian Jun 05 11:23:02 ?? Jun 05 11:23:13 muelli: where's the source for image viewer? Jun 05 11:23:15 Shapeshifter, modest is very open Jun 05 11:23:41 you are right about the calendar and image viewer tho :( but thats not to say it cannot be replaced Jun 05 11:23:43 ZogG: havoc/chaos, i think if there is no good short russian word you can leave it as havoc Jun 05 11:23:52 is modest ui open? Jun 05 11:24:01 afaik yes Jun 05 11:24:12 http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ Jun 05 11:24:13 frals, i can use the straight translation but would do not that much sense Jun 05 11:24:19 lcuk: was it you that showed me that simple cp plugin? Jun 05 11:24:29 someone add a hildon request portrait mode flag in there Jun 05 11:24:49 frals i would use chaos =) Jun 05 11:25:02 MohammadAG51, make a bug against it, submit a patch and lets get it tested Jun 05 11:25:16 tho i think hrw did already potentially Jun 05 11:25:23 i saw him with a portrait mailer Jun 05 11:25:24 lcuk, idk C :) Jun 05 11:25:54 frals you and burchr doing portrait KB might be nice Jun 05 11:25:55 ;) Jun 05 11:25:56 Hehe: http://squid314.livejournal.com/269919.html Jun 05 11:25:59 for such things Jun 05 11:26:03 frals, i would use Lawlessness =))) Jun 05 11:26:07 lcuk: heh Jun 05 11:26:19 ZogG: if theres a short russian word for that, sounds good Jun 05 11:26:20 ok, time to reboot Jun 05 11:26:24 MohammadAG51, why should that stop you! Jun 05 11:26:35 lcuk: well, if it was, this is my take on it: http://pastie.org/992909 Jun 05 11:26:38 MohammadAG51: 6 months ago i didnt know python :p Jun 05 11:26:46 alterego, mmm dunno Jun 05 11:26:53 frals, err, really? Jun 05 11:26:59 frals :P some would say you still dont ;) Jun 05 11:27:07 lcuk: :D Jun 05 11:27:07 lol Jun 05 11:27:28 pennywell farm was cool Jun 05 11:27:33 mini pigs Jun 05 11:27:44 mini bacon butties Jun 05 11:27:47 wrong channel? Jun 05 11:27:55 nahh that was last night Jun 05 11:27:56 :D Jun 05 11:28:08 lcuk: hehe, bet you were drooling :P Jun 05 11:28:09 it impressed tracy and the kids greatly Jun 05 11:28:11 * MohammadAG51 gets confused http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=700905#post700905 Jun 05 11:28:13 nahh Jun 05 11:29:13 MohammadAG51: :D Jun 05 11:29:16 that is brilliant Jun 05 11:29:53 frals done it, but is it the last one, as there are things missing ( as resize to, settings, reply and so on) Jun 05 11:30:12 rest of words are already on device Jun 05 11:30:19 s/words/strings/ Jun 05 11:30:20 frals meant: rest of strings are already on device Jun 05 11:30:33 http://liqbase.net/liq.pennywell.farm.bacon.20100602_015.jpg Jun 05 11:30:39 frals MohammadAG51 ^ Jun 05 11:30:49 lol Jun 05 11:31:17 frals do you want me to email? Jun 05 11:31:26 or dcc here? Jun 05 11:31:29 ZogG: just upload it to transifex site Jun 05 11:31:33 is easiest Jun 05 11:31:39 do i need regestarion? Jun 05 11:31:42 yeah Jun 05 11:32:02 damn =) Jun 05 11:32:03 wait Jun 05 11:32:13 lol lcuk Jun 05 11:33:18 ZogG, you need registration Jun 05 11:33:19 ;) Jun 05 11:34:05 WakeOnLAN's useful, if only it worked remotely Jun 05 11:35:19 Hrm .. user/Multimedia or user/Communication ... Jun 05 11:35:28 for what? Jun 05 11:35:42 For my mafw telepathy status updater Jun 05 11:35:50 OMG Jun 05 11:35:54 frals, check it out Jun 05 11:36:07 OMG Jun 05 11:36:10 err Jun 05 11:36:23 alterego, i was coding it in python :D Jun 05 11:36:29 still it needs to be tested, maybe someone can improve it, but for now vetter than nothing =) Jun 05 11:36:33 * MohammadAG51 rm -rf's his progress Jun 05 11:36:34 MohammadAG51: mine is in python :P Jun 05 11:36:52 * MohammadAG51 fsck's the drive and rm -rf's it again Jun 05 11:36:59 :D Jun 05 11:37:07 alterego, multimedia Jun 05 11:37:09 I'm preparing it for extras now :) Jun 05 11:37:17 MohammadAG51: okay, multimedia it is then. Jun 05 11:37:23 Hrm .. Jun 05 11:37:26 i can haz a test build? Jun 05 11:37:37 I dunno, now you've said that, I'm kinda more inclined to put it in comms :P Jun 05 11:37:39 30 minutes is a bit far away Jun 05 11:37:46 Heh Jun 05 11:37:50 ZogG: cant see it on transifex yet Jun 05 11:37:50 k, user/hidden Jun 05 11:37:53 xD Jun 05 11:38:03 MohammadAG51: I'll give you my deb once I've finished :P Jun 05 11:38:05 alterego, i hope for announce on forum as well Jun 05 11:38:13 frals i sent it already Jun 05 11:38:14 ZogG: yup, planning too. Jun 05 11:38:23 when will we be able to run meego stable on our n900? Jun 05 11:38:34 libben: #meego Jun 05 11:38:34 havent checked the maemo/meego sites on a good while Jun 05 11:38:35 alterego, using a ♫ ? Jun 05 11:38:43 MohammadAG51: ? Jun 05 11:38:52 ascii icon Jun 05 11:38:53 frals maybe i did something wrong, wanna me to reup it? Jun 05 11:39:03 are you using it in the app? Jun 05 11:39:26 ZogG: seems something went wrong, try again or email it to me at fmms@frals.se Jun 05 11:39:28 my app was showing ♫ Song - Artist ♫ Jun 05 11:39:30 i would prefer to use ☭ Jun 05 11:39:41 I've just made an icon, that I'm using for the control-panel applet icon, and for the maemo debian control icon attribute. Jun 05 11:39:44 doesn't show on the N900 :) Jun 05 11:39:59 alterego, i meant for the status itself Jun 05 11:40:08 so everytime I try to backup, it says Backup error. Jun 05 11:40:10 MohammadAG51: same here: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/media-im-status-updater/ Jun 05 11:40:17 frals, should i use send or send for reviews? Jun 05 11:40:29 send Jun 05 11:41:20 frals, oh, found the problem =))) You are only allowed to upload PO files (*.po)! Jun 05 11:41:20 alterego, isn't that a bit longer than a plain ♫ Song - Artist ♫ :) Jun 05 11:41:31 ZogG: name the file ru.po Jun 05 11:41:34 MohammadAG51: sure, but it's customisable :P Jun 05 11:41:42 And it advertises how awesome the N900 is ^.^ Jun 05 11:41:51 alterego, open source? Jun 05 11:41:57 MohammadAG51: of course. Jun 05 11:42:08 You are only allowed to upload PO files (*.po)! =)) Jun 05 11:42:11 MohammadAG51: sure, but it's customisable :P that answered it :) Jun 05 11:42:35 http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/media-im-status-updater/Screenshot-20100603-000716.png Jun 05 11:42:42 That's the config UI Jun 05 11:42:44 alterego, didn't see the 2nd screenie Jun 05 11:42:48 :) Jun 05 11:42:51 ZogG: the file you are uploading should be called ru.po as well Jun 05 11:42:52 alterego, yeah just saw it :) Jun 05 11:43:02 alterego, what theme is that btw Jun 05 11:43:07 :DDD Jun 05 11:43:08 Hahah, carbon Jun 05 11:43:31 I think, in the announce on t.m.o I plan on doing, I'm going to just say "P.S. The theme I'm using is carbon" :D Jun 05 11:44:15 frals finally =))))) Jun 05 11:44:18 lol Jun 05 11:44:52 alterego, another thing, msn (haze) has been down since yesterday, any problems on your side? Jun 05 11:45:10 facebook chat shows network error too Jun 05 11:45:41 I've not been able to log into ovi, facebook or msn :/ Jun 05 11:45:51 ZogG: thanks :) Jun 05 11:45:55 And skype is screwy too .. Jun 05 11:46:25 skype, ovi and gtalk are the only ones working here Jun 05 11:46:44 msn just keeps signing in, facebook shows network error Jun 05 11:47:16 I'll reset my internet connection, sometimes if I've been logged in to long it screws the network. Jun 05 11:48:01 Actually, they've all logged in fine now O_O Jun 05 11:49:45 alterego, using haze? Jun 05 11:52:05 Yeah Jun 05 11:52:31 so is it possible to integrate swype or something liek that to N900? Jun 05 11:52:39 MohammadAG51: I had to delete the account and recreate it a couple of days ago. Jun 05 11:52:54 But that was only because it looked like the port number had got corrupted. Jun 05 11:55:00 rebooting both the N900 and the router Jun 05 11:56:56 Is there a nice simple guide to pushing a trivial app to extras-devel? For example - say it's a 500 line C app, with a .c, .h and makefile. Jun 05 11:57:16 you need a package Jun 05 11:57:35 you could upload a 10 line c file if it has the package Jun 05 11:59:31 DocScrutinizer: are you there? Jun 05 11:59:48 someone like soccer ? Jun 05 11:59:53 DocScrutinizer: so there is no full list what chip id's are used in n900? Jun 05 12:00:17 or maybe somebody knows what's under 0x55 Jun 05 12:01:41 I vaguely recall that's gaia. Jun 05 12:01:56 http://a.yfrog.com/img59/9190/celec.jpg Jun 05 12:01:56 what are you looking at? Jun 05 12:02:25 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_management Jun 05 12:02:27 BME Jun 05 12:02:29 needs fleshing out Jun 05 12:02:56 exists a new application of World Cup , for maemo Jun 05 12:03:02 BME pokes GAIA ADCs at least, and the battery charger. Jun 05 12:03:04 BME opens i2c bus 2 times once for 0x6b which is a battery charger Jun 05 12:03:18 and once for 0x55 Jun 05 12:03:33 I vaguely recall 55 being Gaia Jun 05 12:03:48 It will alert you on any goal that happens at World Cup Jun 05 12:03:56 its a Widget Jun 05 12:04:16 :) Jun 05 12:05:59 i found the video at youtube Jun 05 12:06:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-dSvvwdYSY Jun 05 12:06:12 ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libfakeroot.so.0' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. Jun 05 12:06:22 Error -8 while loading /bin/bash Jun 05 12:06:25 WTF this time? Jun 05 12:09:31 fakeroot debian/rules clean Jun 05 12:09:33 : No such file or directory Jun 05 12:09:35 '. Stop. No rule to make target ` Jun 05 12:09:37 dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules clean gave error exit status 2 Jun 05 12:10:36 nope Jun 05 12:10:45 The TWL4030 (to be precise the TWL5030B, see [1] aka TPS65950) Jun 05 12:10:48 if that's a gaia Jun 05 12:11:16 then I2C module embeds four slave hard-coded addresses (ID1 = 48h, ID2 = 49h, ID3 = 4Ah, and ID4 = Jun 05 12:11:20 4Bh). Jun 05 12:11:52 BME is talking to that using kernel driver Jun 05 12:12:08 RST38h, MS-DOS line endings in debian/rules? Jun 05 12:12:30 mgedmin: i saw that lot times Jun 05 12:12:36 mgedmin: just edited 'em all in PICO, no msdos line endings Jun 05 12:12:38 mgedmin: but it works regardless of endings Jun 05 12:13:08 the original package was built with MADDE, I am using SB2. No idea if it affects anything Jun 05 12:16:39 Does the builder have qmake by default? Or am I going to have to add it to my build deps? Jun 05 12:25:47 found it Jun 05 12:25:51 it's bq2700 Jun 05 12:25:55 27000 Jun 05 12:25:57 charge meter Jun 05 12:26:13 HILDON_PORTRAIT_MODE_SUPPORT tells the system that your application can be rotated, so it won't prevent any other application from rotating. Jun 05 12:26:19 an example would've been better... Jun 05 12:26:28 any C apps that support rotation? Jun 05 12:27:17 type that in google Jun 05 12:27:58 maep Jun 05 12:30:32 hi...should I not be able to du Skype video calls with the latest meamo version? upgraded yesterday, but when I try, it tells me that video calls are not allowed..? Jun 05 12:33:25 hmm Jun 05 12:33:34 i would suspec that you have to be connected over wifi Jun 05 12:33:50 but i never tried it myself Jun 05 12:34:24 works over 3G Jun 05 12:35:36 MohammadAG: you are after something like http://gitorious.org/hildon-portrait-keyboard/hildon-portrait-keyboard/blobs/master/src/hildon-im-onehand-fkb.c#line404 Jun 05 12:36:05 thanks frals :D Jun 05 12:36:46 anyways, how do I debug a failing dpkg-buildpackage??? Jun 05 12:36:54 frals: how do you use the phone with one hand? Jun 05 12:37:07 s/the phone/the N900/ Jun 05 12:37:08 loufoque_ meant: frals: how do you use the N900 with one hand? Jun 05 12:37:17 loufoque_: ?? Jun 05 12:37:23 MohammadAG, ok..should work? I'm on 3G. Jun 05 12:37:31 hildon-im-onehand Jun 05 12:37:33 MohammadAG: np, should probably replace 2nd argument with just HILDON_PORTRAIT_MODE_SUPPORT instead of the if Jun 05 12:37:54 loufoque: yes? Jun 05 12:38:16 frals: what is that Jun 05 12:38:26 portrait keyboard, hopefully Jun 05 12:38:57 hume, I don't see why it shouldn't :) Jun 05 12:39:33 frals: and how can you use it with one hand? Jun 05 12:39:59 loufoque: how do you normally use a portrait keyboard with one hand? Jun 05 12:40:10 -> with one hand! ;) Jun 05 12:41:04 SpeedEvil: I've figured out how to get a rough estimate of install base... depend on a dummy package, count downloads of dummy package ;o Jun 05 12:41:08 is it like the iphone's keyboard? Jun 05 12:41:27 its like a normal keypad so far Jun 05 12:41:35 feel free to submit patches etc for qwerty Jun 05 12:41:55 isn't the iPhone's screen wider than the N900's? Jun 05 12:42:58 don't know, don't have an iphone Jun 05 12:42:59 i fubared my pyqt binding, is my only option to reflash? Jun 05 12:43:23 opdf2: reinstall Jun 05 12:44:27 Should I install my icons directly into rootfs or symlink from opt :) Jun 05 12:44:29 MohammadAG: same resolution, iirc Jun 05 12:44:35 (i mean, same pixels) Jun 05 12:44:38 That was a question .. Jun 05 12:44:39 :D Jun 05 12:45:09 BCMM, nope, the iPhone's res is 480x272 afaik Jun 05 12:45:38 480-by-320-pixel resolution at 163 ppi Jun 05 12:45:44 alterego, /usr/share/pixmaps Jun 05 12:45:55 272's the PSP then :) Jun 05 12:46:05 brb Jun 05 12:46:12 MohammadAG: oh, wikipedia says 320 × 480 Jun 05 12:46:13 Im just quoting apple, they may be lying ;) Jun 05 12:46:15 MohammadAG: but that's tiny Jun 05 12:46:24 somebody got it confused with an ipod Jun 05 12:46:52 well, i have some screenshots i made on iphone Jun 05 12:47:08 and it's 320x480 Jun 05 12:47:24 wow, that's kinda low Jun 05 12:47:40 my PDA from 2003 was VGA, I lol'd so hard when the iphone came out with such a shit res :P Jun 05 12:47:42 what is the dpi setting for maemo? Jun 05 12:48:05 BCMM: well, it's like with comparing dick sizes Jun 05 12:48:21 BCMM: there are other variables as well Jun 05 12:48:31 i know Jun 05 12:48:49 i keep forgetting the n900 isn't 16:9 Jun 05 12:48:56 (sorry, not related) Jun 05 12:49:26 most people can't notice a difference between n900 resolution and iphone res Jun 05 12:49:31 actually, the n900 is insanely hi-res Jun 05 12:49:31 (in terms of dpi) Jun 05 12:49:44 yeah Jun 05 12:49:54 capacitive touch screen would be nice thing Jun 05 12:50:01 screenshots always look weird on a desktop Jun 05 12:50:08 stylus ftw Jun 05 12:50:15 capacitive touchscreen with stylus support Jun 05 12:50:28 yes! Jun 05 12:52:00 heh, i think i could fit four n900s (not just the screen) on top of an n900 screenshot on my monitor Jun 05 12:52:26 260 dpi does that Jun 05 12:55:24 i'm trying to draw what bme is really doing Jun 05 12:55:31 and well, it's doing fuck all Jun 05 12:55:39 almost Jun 05 12:57:46 Oh yesssss Jun 05 12:58:10 Building theme now! Jun 05 13:07:49 actually, the n900 is insanely hi-res Jun 05 13:08:00 and the iPhone 4G is an overkill Jun 05 13:08:06 frals: That'd seem to work, yes. Jun 05 13:08:18 is that the totally-accidentally-leaked one? Jun 05 13:08:21 frals: I think the numbers work for ~20K though Jun 05 13:08:33 frals: Also - not quite - reflash Jun 05 13:08:36 MohammadAG: uploaded .deb to: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/media-im-status-updater/ Jun 05 13:08:46 yeah, but a better estimate at least :) Jun 05 13:08:55 You need python-telepathy, python-dbus, pyside-qt4-core and pyside-qt4-gui Jun 05 13:08:57 BCMM, http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/29/iphone-4g-put-under-a-microscope-960-x-640-looks-like-a-lock/ it was confirmed afaik Jun 05 13:09:08 "Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos is seeking a patent on a system that would let people make purchases with a nod, a smile or even a raise of the eyebrow." Jun 05 13:09:23 Auctions. Jun 05 13:09:28 * SpeedEvil stabs patents. Jun 05 13:09:30 "Amazon CEO whatever is seeking a patent on everything ever" Jun 05 13:09:31 class action lawsuit waiting to happen Jun 05 13:09:34 alterego, downloaded Jun 05 13:09:44 N900 is really high-res, but not overkill. I don't know what the DPI is, but DPI of regular desktop screens are too low, would like 150-200DPI screen on desktop/laptop. Jun 05 13:09:46 alterego, I'm pretty sure I have them from some other app Jun 05 13:09:52 MohammadAG: now I've just got to find my key to upload to extras ;) Jun 05 13:09:54 SwedeMike: ~350 Jun 05 13:10:04 SwedeMike: 140dpi+ would be good Jun 05 13:10:14 you can get 140dpi on few laptops Jun 05 13:10:15 alterego, you don't need a key, just a garage account with an invite Jun 05 13:10:16 no desktops Jun 05 13:10:22 SwedeMike: probably because too many people are using programs that wouldn't scale Jun 05 13:10:31 MohammadAG: I've already got access, just forgotten how to do it. Jun 05 13:10:45 SwedeMike: i'd like a really, really hi-res desktop monitor though, KDE scales brilliantly Jun 05 13:10:46 alterego, easiest way would be https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php Jun 05 13:10:47 alterego: https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php Jun 05 13:10:49 MohammadAG: let me know how it goes, to configure it, go to Settings->general->Media IM Status Updater Jun 05 13:10:56 frals, too slow :P Jun 05 13:11:00 :D Jun 05 13:11:14 BCMM: I want to stab myself in the face every time I see people running 1024x768 on a 1366 screen. people just don't have good eyes. Jun 05 13:11:16 was stuck with focus in vm so had to click first :( Jun 05 13:11:27 BCMM: I'd like 20" 2560x1600 screen. Jun 05 13:11:37 BCMM, biggest problem with super high resolution is that graphics cards and pixel pumping wont support so many Jun 05 13:11:39 or perhaps 22" Jun 05 13:11:58 2560x1600 is well supported on higher gfx cards, so no problem there. Jun 05 13:12:08 I want 12" 1400*1050 for my laptop. Jun 05 13:12:10 SwedeMike: i know what would be nice: a moniter that is, like hte n900, about twice the DPI of a typical screen, such that one could run legacy stuff (dual boot windows) at precisely double-size Jun 05 13:12:16 with no scaling artifacts Jun 05 13:12:44 SpeedEvil: 1680x1050 on my 12.1" would be really nice. Jun 05 13:12:47 alterego, is there an album option too? (not that I'd use it, just wondering) Jun 05 13:12:55 Oh - and 4:3. Jun 05 13:12:56 :/ Jun 05 13:13:14 SpeedEvil: well, 4:3 isn't really coming back I think, people want smaller laptops it seems Jun 05 13:13:21 :/ Jun 05 13:13:21 MohammadAG: no, I was thinking of adding other options, but I think I'll just wait for feedback. Jun 05 13:13:24 SwedeMike: there you go, and 1280x800 wouldn't be at all shabby for legacy things Jun 05 13:13:35 BCMM: absolutely. Jun 05 13:13:39 SwedeMike, at what sorts of framerates and how expensive is the kit to do it Jun 05 13:13:55 but newer OS should scale well, vista/win7, newer linux etc, they all scale well. Jun 05 13:14:01 alterego, I can't hit the save button for some reason Jun 05 13:14:12 on linux, you could almost trivially have a compositing window manage scale up by 2x stuff on a list of legacy low-res things Jun 05 13:14:26 lcuk: any mid to high range gfx card will do 2560x1600, there are 30" monitors with it since a long time. Jun 05 13:14:48 MohammadAG: :( Jun 05 13:14:51 Erm ... Jun 05 13:14:51 you need dual channel dvi though, but that's standard on any nvidia 8800, gtx260 etc Jun 05 13:15:14 I just tihnk the 30" screens are way too bulky. Jun 05 13:15:19 alterego, bah, it doesn't support ASCIIs Jun 05 13:15:20 but I really like the resolution Jun 05 13:15:21 gpu: G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS] 320Mb nVidia module v256.29 -xserver v1.7.7- @ 2560 x 1024 Jun 05 13:15:25 Oh well Jun 05 13:15:26 whats gaming like at that resolution Jun 05 13:15:32 SwedeMike: KDE is pretty great for scalling; most stuff is either in SVG or is text Jun 05 13:15:34 MohammadAG: ? Jun 05 13:15:36 ^scaling Jun 05 13:15:44 alterego, as I said before, ♫ :) Jun 05 13:15:50 lcuk: plenty of people doing it already, if you want 60fps you need to get a 500USD gfx card though Jun 05 13:15:56 What do you mean by "ASCII"'s? Jun 05 13:16:01 ♫ Jun 05 13:16:06 lcuk: but there are plenty of people doing that already as of several years Jun 05 13:16:23 MohammadAG: if you've got a problem with it, just say: P Jun 05 13:18:22 * RST38h proudly notes that he has never had any 3D hardware to brag about Jun 05 13:18:33 LIAR! Jun 05 13:18:39 * SpeedEvil points at the GPU in the n900. Jun 05 13:18:48 You call *that* a GPU? Jun 05 13:18:50 Hehe. Jun 05 13:18:54 Yes :) Jun 05 13:19:21 Given that one of my main graphical tests is 'will it play nethack at 60fps'. Jun 05 13:19:26 Next, you are going to brag about your Nintendo DS... Jun 05 13:19:49 nethack at 60fps? must be quite the monster player to do 60 moves per second :) Jun 05 13:19:59 SpeedEvil, 60fps? Jun 05 13:20:04 (more realistically, 5 tops) Jun 05 13:20:12 He is probably running a bot there. Jun 05 13:20:18 The best players go _really_ slowly Jun 05 13:20:25 Marvin is insane. Jun 05 13:20:29 damn, these themes build forever... Jun 05 13:20:29 (nethack.alt.org) Jun 05 13:20:46 RST38h: we ndeed ascii robotron Jun 05 13:20:51 Best players save a lot and backup their saves Jun 05 13:20:52 NAO ftw :) Jun 05 13:20:54 I think his best streak of ascensions is 12 in a row. Jun 05 13:21:00 With no saving Jun 05 13:21:03 does the lcd do 60fps? Jun 05 13:21:04 also, nethack on the N900 is a bit of a pain Jun 05 13:21:09 pupnik: Funny, I got to work with a Robotron, model 1750 I think Jun 05 13:21:10 or even graphics hw Jun 05 13:21:18 cool Jun 05 13:21:19 lcuk: the graphics HW is capable of it Jun 05 13:21:20 or predicting prng state Jun 05 13:21:42 altho those nethack play servers have better rngs nowadays i think Jun 05 13:21:43 jaska: Nope. nethack.alt.org is a public server anyone can telnet to and play Jun 05 13:21:57 if you have workable suggestions for improving ui, please speak Jun 05 13:21:59 ah Jun 05 13:22:09 pupnik: Pravetz was actually somewhat better (Pravetz8 being a shrunk down Apple][ clone, Pravetz16 a honest copy of PC XT) Jun 05 13:22:10 pupnik_: more exploding helicopters. Jun 05 13:22:27 Improving what UI? Jun 05 13:22:32 nehack ui Jun 05 13:22:59 Ikarus, on xvideo yuv i see ~57fps Jun 05 13:23:01 i wonder what have i done wrong, still 79 columns in osso-xterm even after i disable the scroll"bar" and borders in libvte Jun 05 13:23:01 Ah that... Well, you kinda can't improve it any more =) Jun 05 13:23:03 i think it simply requires learningm as all std roguelikes Jun 05 13:23:14 but not usually 60 or more Jun 05 13:23:36 Some speedy dynamic menu system would probably help Jun 05 13:23:47 Given how cramped N900 keyboard is Jun 05 13:23:47 yeah Jun 05 13:23:48 brain-machine interface Jun 05 13:23:51 And click to travel. Jun 05 13:23:59 jaska: with neural feedback Jun 05 13:24:06 click to travel is already there Jun 05 13:24:08 I'd love a port of xnethack to the N900 Jun 05 13:24:14 (in the one I built, anyway) Jun 05 13:24:16 I can barely play it text mode Jun 05 13:24:29 RST38h: Are you talking of vultures eye? Jun 05 13:24:30 Ikarus: Vulture's Eye is in the repos Jun 05 13:24:43 SpeedEvil; Of course Jun 05 13:24:44 I found vultures eye less playable than the keyboard one Jun 05 13:24:45 RST38h: it sucks Jun 05 13:24:54 RST38h: xnethack is clean 2D tiled Jun 05 13:25:10 SpeedEvil: Well, dunno. I never really played Nethack in text mode. Only Angband and ZAngband. Jun 05 13:25:15 not an ugly sort-of 3D hack on top of the text implementation Jun 05 13:25:31 To me, Nethack kinda sucks anyway, as you cannot kill Bill Gates and the Finnish Prime Minister there Jun 05 13:25:36 vultures eye is unplayable Jun 05 13:25:49 ooh, kill finnish prime minister.. which of the sucky ones? Jun 05 13:25:49 another game that could be ported to opengl es without too much work is Secret Maryo World Jun 05 13:25:59 we've had a lot of crummy ones Jun 05 13:26:08 including the current moron Jun 05 13:26:19 smoku: i played it for a while Jun 05 13:26:24 and wasnt bill gates bull gates Jun 05 13:26:30 in some angband variant Jun 05 13:27:27 smoku: worksforme Jun 05 13:27:46 jaska: Ahtisaari I think Jun 05 13:28:00 jaska: They replaced Farmer Maggot (from original Angband) with Marti Ahtisaari Jun 05 13:28:09 martti was a president Jun 05 13:28:12 pupnik_: and had fun? for me it was a constant struggle with the interface... Jun 05 13:28:14 not a prime minister Jun 05 13:28:24 jaska: It was Bill Gates all right, don't let the "u" fool you ;) Jun 05 13:28:25 oh, i was hoping for an esko aho -monster Jun 05 13:28:49 jaska: Well, as far as killing goes, the distinction is almost irrelevant =) Jun 05 13:29:13 smoku: roguelikes in general must be learned Jun 05 13:29:27 roguelikes are an acquired taste. Jun 05 13:30:03 smoku: but there is a simple console roguelike called "powder" that builds fine Jun 05 13:30:10 pupnik_: Diablo is instant fun without learning ;P Jun 05 13:30:22 yes Jun 05 13:30:42 but not as much fun, for some, as having many commands available Jun 05 13:33:45 pupnik_: so, there are exceptions. and I have a lot of fun playing ADOM and tried Falcons Eye and it was unplayable. so I'm with Ikarus, that in this case plain 2D interface is better with coming up with isometric thingy with gui that reqyures keyboard Jun 05 13:34:50 * SpeedEvil places a small dark blue e in the channel. Jun 05 13:40:33 Diablo is not exactly a roguelike Jun 05 13:40:44 too dynamic, too fast Jun 05 13:40:55 not very dynamic, just simplified Jun 05 13:40:57 Some people like that, but not most of the traditional roguelike players Jun 05 13:41:43 the question of projecting an isometric display is orthogonal to the choice of command set or input ui generally Jun 05 13:42:03 just not relevant Jun 05 13:42:34 * RST38h played Vulture's multiple times. It is pretty playable, although maybe not as much fun as a text mode version Jun 05 13:42:40 it is relevant to "is unplayable" thread. it's one of the factors that breaks this version Jun 05 13:43:28 ok i dont understand how/why the isometric display hinders playability Jun 05 13:43:40 HydroCarbon-Theme built! Jun 05 13:44:03 there used to be a gui for nethack/slash'em that was completly top-view 2d Jun 05 13:44:20 yep for 770 Jun 05 13:44:28 not only for 770 Jun 05 13:44:37 i used to play that version on my pc Jun 05 13:44:48 pupnik_: For nethack at least - you absolutely need to be able to see projectilerange + a bit. Jun 05 13:45:11 Otherwise there are way too many 'ooops - you died' moments. Jun 05 13:45:28 (that are not related to the game mechanics) Jun 05 13:46:06 SpeedEvil: unless you play slashem and your class is a monk. then projectilerange doesn't matter as you only kick and punch, most of the time Jun 05 13:46:50 Well - yes. Jun 05 13:47:00 I was more meaning the other guy. Jun 05 13:47:09 /girl/elf/centaur Jun 05 13:47:23 good point re. view range SpeedEvil Jun 05 13:47:45 i prefer 2d tiles usually Jun 05 13:50:29 didnt gta solve 2d tiling viewrange :D Jun 05 13:53:07 Grand Theft Auto? Jun 05 13:55:54 there is a great 2d graphical interface for angband written in tk Jun 05 13:56:18 Keyword: Tk. AVOID. Jun 05 13:56:24 unfortunately it is not maintained and nearly impossible to compile due to using a build system manager written by the same guy, also no longer maintained, and written in tk too Jun 05 13:56:35 yeah crappy language, but the UI is miles better than vulture's Jun 05 13:56:38 MohammadAG, yes Jun 05 13:56:57 and yeah it uses 2d view, not iso Jun 05 13:57:45 http://www.zangband.org/common/gfx/screenshots-tk.jpg Jun 05 13:58:21 As I said: Tk. AVOID. Jun 05 13:58:52 this coming from the guy who won't use any software that doesn't compile for DOS... Jun 05 13:59:16 Will Tk compile for DOS? Jun 05 13:59:21 i doubt it Jun 05 13:59:52 being able to compile software for DOS usually means the software is crippled beyond all usability anyway Jun 05 14:00:05 That is a common mistake. Jun 05 14:00:29 OMG I broke it Jun 05 14:00:58 yes, keeping around support for 30 years old OS usually is a mistake :) Jun 05 14:01:42 any of you up for trying "powder"? Jun 05 14:02:12 maybe grab the pc version to see if it seems worth it Jun 05 14:04:21 seems worth it... nice graphics, already ported to linux, and designed for handhelds... Jun 05 14:04:26 frals, statusmenu-fmms? Jun 05 14:04:37 yes? Jun 05 14:06:14 MohammadAG: whats unclear? ;p Jun 05 14:06:50 frals, just saw in the cauldron build *heads to maemo.org/packages* Jun 05 14:06:57 s/build/list Jun 05 14:06:58 http://maemo.org/packages/view/statusmenu-fmms/ Jun 05 14:08:48 * b-man yawbns Jun 05 14:08:54 gah Jun 05 14:09:01 *yawns Jun 05 14:15:35 do you need to launch the FM boost application for it to take effect? Or is it a permanent setting? Jun 05 14:16:33 yes Jun 05 14:16:35 it resets at each reboot afaik Jun 05 14:16:49 after turning on the fm transmitter Jun 05 14:17:12 also after plugging in/plugigng out charger Jun 05 14:17:30 think its only after reboot on PR1.2 Jun 05 14:19:08 I can't see any change in audio quality after I launch it Jun 05 14:20:05 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter Jun 05 14:20:15 not the inherent limitations section Jun 05 14:29:14 MohammadAG: could you join the hostmode channel please, I have some questions.. Jun 05 14:29:36 DAMN XCHAT! Jun 05 14:35:59 gronmayer doesnt help me find alsa-utils for n810 Jun 05 14:43:53 :) Jun 05 14:49:58 n900 have ir? Jun 05 14:50:05 yes Jun 05 14:50:14 thanks Jun 05 14:50:21 CIR, I think it's called (Consumer IR, or something like that) Jun 05 14:50:24 Not IrDA complaint though Jun 05 14:50:26 it doesn't have full IrDA Jun 05 14:50:34 it can emulate a remote control Jun 05 14:50:38 no clue what that is but ok Jun 05 14:50:45 it can't receive IR Jun 05 14:50:49 but the application for it is horribly and user-hostile, so good luck with that Jun 05 14:52:29 pupnik_: http://i47.tinypic.com/5lthkg.png :) Jun 05 15:16:38 * lcuk curses qt qpainter stuff Jun 05 15:21:05 hi. short question does anybody know where the xchat is standard installed to? i cant find the thing.. wanted to put fish in the plugin dir. thx Jun 05 15:24:14 dr34m, dpkg -L xchat Jun 05 15:24:52 Yo Jun 05 15:25:37 * Cabletwitch pokes frals and checks for life Jun 05 15:26:19 I guess not Jun 05 15:26:42 * MohammadAG gets a trout out his pocket and puts it next to frals Jun 05 15:26:58 * Cabletwitch slaps frals with the trout Jun 05 15:27:07 lol Jun 05 15:28:47 Anyone else notice with auto-caps that it does exactly that regardless of wether or not you want one? Jun 05 15:29:22 Its done that when I was filling out the fmms settings, and if those are case sensitive, then thats a bugger. Jun 05 15:30:21 Also, who do I have to torture to get auto-caps working in xchat? Jun 05 15:30:33 same with witter, i realised yesterday.. took me a a fgew minutes to realise it capilized the input fields in the account settings :) Jun 05 15:30:39 Bribery and/or seduction are also possible. Jun 05 15:30:53 MohammadAG: did mc_teo come back yesterday? Jun 05 15:31:25 When I was online? no Jun 05 15:31:31 ~seen mc_teo Jun 05 15:31:33 mc_teo <~user@178.167.157.240.threembb.ie> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 16h 2s ago, saying: 'that wasnt very nice'. Jun 05 15:31:49 01:31 -!- mc_teo was kicked from #maemo by crashanddie [ban evasino] Jun 05 15:31:59 and that's last thing Jun 05 15:32:13 finish him Jun 05 15:33:28 I should probably clear all the bans Jun 05 15:33:31 new slate Jun 05 15:33:43 anyone knows if it's possible to switch the desktops through dbus (or something similar) ? Jun 05 15:33:58 crashanddie: no forgivnes Jun 05 15:34:09 crashanddie: they should rot i hell forever Jun 05 15:34:13 yeah, ban jacekowski and don't forgive him Jun 05 15:34:17 available apps that use the IR are indeed a bit confusing Jun 05 15:34:26 :P Jun 05 15:34:30 now kick! Jun 05 15:34:36 nhaaa Jun 05 15:34:43 are there not existing LIRC transmission frontends that could be ported? Jun 05 15:34:44 I'll do it myself Jun 05 15:34:56 grr, expected a +o :P Jun 05 15:35:00 also, we need a really simple app that basically behaves like a tvbegone Jun 05 15:35:17 cool smoku Jun 05 15:35:23 what do you think Jun 05 15:35:35 i havent made any changes Jun 05 15:35:43 pupnik_: nice game. http://maemo.org/packages/view/powder/ Jun 05 15:35:55 cool. new? Jun 05 15:36:08 smoku, how's that PS3 emulator going? :P Jun 05 15:36:24 oh very new Jun 05 15:36:30 I know it requires Qt14.7.2, which is part of PR1.4 Jun 05 15:36:30 nice! Jun 05 15:36:33 wooooot Jun 05 15:36:34 but I hear it's awesome Jun 05 15:37:02 lol it just got imported, nice timing smoku Jun 05 15:37:12 Damnit, when I rule the worl, there WILL be improved mobile coverage Jun 05 15:37:48 01:31 -!- mode/#maemo [+b mc_teo!*@*] by crashanddie Jun 05 15:37:52 MohammadAG: I'm working on the maemo-games-launcher plugin now Jun 05 15:37:55 ehh Jun 05 15:38:11 i'm starting to hate that right click paste Jun 05 15:38:17 jacekowski, tbh you deserved a kick with that :P Jun 05 15:38:32 MohammadAG: (poerted from my uae4all plugin ;-) Jun 05 15:38:41 yeah, i', a bad boy Jun 05 15:38:44 spank me Jun 05 15:38:56 smoku, it should launch PS3 and Xbox games right? :) Jun 05 15:39:20 (on that topic, I got a PM asking when we should expect a PS3 emulator - and the guy was serious) Jun 05 15:39:38 MohammadAG: oh. you asked about PS3 emulator Jun 05 15:39:53 smoku, yeah, the one which needs PR1.4 Jun 05 15:40:24 MohammadAG: current PCs do not have enough processing power to emulate PS3 at a decent speed Jun 05 15:40:36 * MohammadAG facepalms Jun 05 15:40:41 infobot, sarcasm Jun 05 15:40:42 Oh a sarcasm detector, that's a *really* useful invention! Jun 05 15:40:44 MohammadAG: it's hard to emulate PS2. maybe in a few years Jun 05 15:40:48 smoku, you clearly need one :P Jun 05 15:40:50 smoku: do you have mathematical proof of that? Jun 05 15:41:02 well, i could belive that PC might not have Jun 05 15:41:16 but n900 is a superior device Jun 05 15:41:59 we still dont have synched audio playback between tablets, right? Jun 05 15:42:41 MohammadAG: need one what? Jun 05 15:42:52 smoku, Oh a sarcasm detector, that's a *really* useful invention! Jun 05 15:44:04 MohammadAG: so, how are you finding it then? Jun 05 15:44:14 MohammadAG: think it's ready for a product page and announce thread? :D Jun 05 15:44:26 alterego, still experimenting with it, but you saved me a lot of work :P Jun 05 15:44:33 alterego, why not! Jun 05 15:44:33 :) Jun 05 15:44:58 I've been using it myself the past couple of days. Jun 05 15:45:03 Took me a day to write it. Jun 05 15:45:26 not a lot tbh Jun 05 15:45:43 hmm, does anyone know how to use the non-hildon GTK theme? Jun 05 15:46:24 MohammadAG: lousy joke detector could be more useful ;P Jun 05 15:46:43 lol Jun 05 15:47:26 i.e this http://i45.tinypic.com/f0au7k.jpg Jun 05 15:48:28 MohammadAG: are you doing: run-standalone.sh app ? Jun 05 15:48:59 alterego, that uses the hildon theme, which I don't want Jun 05 15:49:21 Oh, right Jun 05 15:49:27 the only way I found to use the non-hildon theme was to use sudo, and that's not the best method Jun 05 15:49:34 plus the app segfaults when run as sudo Jun 05 15:49:50 Heh Jun 05 15:52:59 MohammadAG: you may look what env is run-standalone.sh setting and change/unset these Jun 05 15:53:34 already found that :P Jun 05 15:53:35 GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/ubuntu xarchiver Jun 05 15:53:47 (or any directory that doesn't have valid rc files) Jun 05 15:57:24 Right, it's in extras-devel, I've created a tmo thread now to create a product page .. Jun 05 15:57:34 product page? Jun 05 15:59:32 Load average: 9.11 (LOL) 3.09 1.19 Jun 05 16:00:16 MohammadAG: yeah, under maemo.org/downloads Jun 05 16:01:43 Not sure how I do it though :D Jun 05 16:01:53 It's changed since the last time .. Jun 05 16:04:40 alterego, sign in and use the top bar? Jun 05 16:04:43 but it's in -devel Jun 05 16:04:51 MohammadAG: yeah, just figured that out ;) Jun 05 16:05:11 alterego, me too xD Jun 05 16:05:31 frals, there doesn't seem to be a 10 day quarantine anymore Jun 05 16:09:29 Can only seem to create one for OS2007 O_O Jun 05 16:10:17 alterego, it's in -devel Jun 05 16:10:30 Yeah Jun 05 16:10:41 Will that stop me making a product page? Jun 05 16:11:10 well Jun 05 16:11:14 red dwarf new series o_O :D Jun 05 16:11:22 Heh Jun 05 16:11:25 Again? Jun 05 16:11:27 NOTE: Please do not link to applications in Extras-devel! End-users should not be exposed to Extras-dev Jun 05 16:12:01 potentially an exam to get access to extras-devel o_O Jun 05 16:12:17 that would be amusing Jun 05 16:13:13 "if my msn would work it would be a great apbut i thin that the developers should put there energy in things that almost for most users dont work like IM " Jun 05 16:13:16 Hahah Jun 05 16:13:30 "the developers" wtf ?! Jun 05 16:14:37 LOL Jun 05 16:15:13 MSN didn't work some time ago for me Jun 05 16:15:32 I don't think if it's the PR1.2 update or enabling an extras repository that fixed it Jun 05 16:15:44 (talking about pecan there) Jun 05 16:15:47 It's been flakey for me, but if I disconnect/reconnect to the internet it starts working again. Jun 05 16:15:52 I'm using haze Jun 05 16:15:55 justified is a pretty good Jun 05 16:16:01 s/I don't think/I don't know/ Jun 05 16:16:39 butterfly is probably the best, why is it only in devel? Jun 05 16:17:50 I can't say I've actually noticed any difference between pecan and haze. Jun 05 16:17:58 oh it's in testing actually Jun 05 16:18:13 buttefly probably kills the battery like crazy though Jun 05 16:19:26 MohammadAG: BME seems to be resetting that charger timer much more often than every 28z Jun 05 16:20:03 * MohammadAG pings DocScrutinizer ^ Jun 05 16:20:21 dare! buger Jun 05 16:20:34 it looks more like 10s Jun 05 16:20:35 wazzup? Jun 05 16:20:42 BME seems to be resetting that charger timer Jun 05 16:20:43 much more often than every 28z Jun 05 16:20:49 28s* Jun 05 16:21:08 no problem, bme loves to play busy Jun 05 16:22:07 well, i did RTFM and it looks that timer might be as low as 12s Jun 05 16:22:56 the watchdog timer in bq24150 is defined as 32 seconds. Of course every reset period time <32s is ok, it's just eating more cpu cycles, more power, and more logfile space ;-P Jun 05 16:24:05 page 6 Jun 05 16:24:09 last row Jun 05 16:24:23 minimal 32s Jun 05 16:24:27 minimal 12s Jun 05 16:24:31 typical 32s Jun 05 16:35:35 hello, i'm unable to upgrade to 1.2. updatemanager says that i need to use pc-suite and apt-get dist-upgrade says that i dont have enough space @ /var/apt/cache.... Jun 05 16:35:56 clear out your cache then Jun 05 16:36:03 Lazy^: eh. yes. Maybe it's because you don't have enough space ;-) Jun 05 16:36:21 just packages youve updated in the past... dont need em.... rm them Jun 05 16:36:27 the wiki describes a method to make apt-get use a different directory as the cache for the debs. Jun 05 16:36:35 Lazy^: make enough free space to do the upgrade, or use a PC Jun 05 16:36:37 no Jun 05 16:36:46 Lazy^: there is almost certainly a version for your platform Jun 05 16:40:36 MohammadAG: how goes your USB host UI? Jun 05 16:41:05 usb port on the n900? Jun 05 16:41:34 a way to compile smth directly on the n900 ? make doesnt work Jun 05 16:41:41 does for me Jun 05 16:41:42 hmmmm Jun 05 16:41:46 that's weird Jun 05 16:41:56 0xbef1491d: 0x01 Jun 05 16:41:56 0xbef148fa: 0x004d Jun 05 16:42:05 0xbef1491d: 0x01 Jun 05 16:42:05 0xbef148fa: 0x004f Jun 05 16:42:10 0xbef148bd: 0x01 Jun 05 16:42:10 0xbef1489a: 0x004e Jun 05 16:42:10 Lazy^, morally agaisnt backup/reflash/restore? Jun 05 16:42:21 dr34m: is it a program someone else wrote? Or are you planning on writing one yourself? Jun 05 16:42:41 DocScrutinizer: take a look at that Jun 05 16:42:48 somebody else .. actually its the fish module for xchat .. the precompiled versions i have wont work ofc Jun 05 16:42:58 DocScrutinizer: that's what bme was writing to charger chip Jun 05 16:43:44 dr34m, that may be a little harder then, the size of lots of application build dependencies beomes prohibatively high Jun 05 16:44:00 install scratchbox or download one of the vmware images Jun 05 16:44:19 DocScrutinizer: so bme is enabling boost mode for very short period of time Jun 05 16:44:40 oke Jun 05 16:44:48 can i get rid of the "warning, program doesn't come from nokia!!11"? Jun 05 16:45:38 FredrIQ: you find it that annoying? Well, you could install everything from the commandline instead :) Jun 05 16:45:52 yes Jun 05 16:45:55 i often do Jun 05 16:46:06 Meh, Jun 05 16:46:07 the exception is when i got the update msg Jun 05 16:46:18 jacekowski: I don't exactly decode that gibberish, sorry Jun 05 16:46:45 0x01 - register address Jun 05 16:46:46 but well, i can use bash for that as well. :) Jun 05 16:46:55 just wondered Jun 05 16:47:02 2nd number is what BME has wrote to that address Jun 05 16:48:21 (that happened after i unplugged cable from computer) Jun 05 16:48:31 jacekowski: (p6) duh, good finding. Yes you're right Jun 05 16:48:46 dpkg: error processing mksh (--remove): Jun 05 16:48:48 subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 127 Jun 05 16:49:14 i don't really know when and why i installed mksh, but i've tried to get rid of it several times Jun 05 16:49:18 why does it fail? Jun 05 16:49:33 it looks like bme might have some code to support host mode already there Jun 05 16:50:04 so it might be just matter of talking to bme to enable power part of it Jun 05 16:51:02 BME just constantly resets the charger mode Jun 05 16:51:09 it does not ever enable hostmode Jun 05 16:51:27 Hm Jun 05 16:52:05 SpeedEvil: indeed, BME so far as I can tell functions as a battery/charge/power monitor and watchdog Jun 05 16:52:30 and because that involves the USB bus on a N900 we get into a fight with it Jun 05 16:52:58 SpeedEvil: well, i just saw it switching charger to boost mode Jun 05 16:53:02 Hm Jun 05 16:53:05 interesting Jun 05 16:53:39 Under what conditions? Jun 05 16:53:40 None of the files in the deb (checked with dpkg -L mksh) seems to exists, but mksh think it's installed Jun 05 16:53:55 SpeedEvil: i've disconnected usb cable from computer Jun 05 16:53:58 For it to be doing that is an extremely serious bug. Jun 05 16:53:59 How can i get rid of that? Jun 05 16:54:16 I've never seen it touch boost mode. Jun 05 16:54:25 SpeedEvil: and bme switched charger to low Z boost mode Jun 05 16:54:29 has anyone worked on reverse engineering bme? Jun 05 16:54:35 yes Jun 05 16:54:36 and then high Z Jun 05 16:54:45 and then back to charger mode Jun 05 16:54:57 SpeedEvil: who? Jun 05 16:55:35 SpeedEvil: if you have gdb installed on your phone i can give you gdb commands that print whatever bme is doing to charger Jun 05 16:56:19 I don't recall a high and low z boost mode. Jun 05 16:56:42 http://pastebin.com/BTUKyFaw Jun 05 16:56:52 just start that Jun 05 16:57:57 Ah - right Jun 05 16:57:59 and just after cable is unplugged it sends 0x004d then 0x004f and then 0x004e to register 0x01 Jun 05 16:58:01 SpeedEvil: there is a single boost mode on the charger chip from the docs I read and a boost on the TWL4030 lacks a capacitor to use it and it only supplies 100mA (the charger IC one provides 200mA Jun 05 16:59:05 and you have about 10-15s between attach and cont Jun 05 16:59:19 otherwise bme will go berserk and think that battery is dead Jun 05 16:59:26 and will shut down your phone Jun 05 16:59:30 SpeedEvil: jacekowski: refer to table2 Jun 05 16:59:35 if it's paused for too long Jun 05 16:59:41 p20 Jun 05 16:59:45 jacekowski: BME shuts down the machine in ALOT of conditions :) Jun 05 16:59:54 table 6 in my datasheet Jun 05 16:59:59 High impedence mode is not related to boost Jun 05 17:00:13 (in bq24150) Jun 05 17:00:32 jacekowski: when I say table2, page 20 then I mean that Jun 05 17:00:44 SpeedEvil: yes it is Jun 05 17:01:07 SpeedEvil: see table2, p20 Jun 05 17:01:43 Table 2. Operation Mode Summary Jun 05 17:02:14 High Z mode can make it ignore boost bit - mask it - but there is no 'high Z boost mode' Jun 05 17:02:16 OPA_MODE HZ_MODE OPERATION MODE Jun 05 17:02:31 no, of course there's not Jun 05 17:03:03 honestly, that's all very exciting for jrbme, but useless for h-e-n Jun 05 17:04:02 except maybe to explain non-reproducability and why it makes a diff whether you shut down bme prior to echo-foo or after Jun 05 17:06:21 DocScrutinizer: it is very important Jun 05 17:06:28 DocScrutinizer: and very useless Jun 05 17:06:42 DocScrutinizer: because it means has code to enable boost mode Jun 05 17:06:58 so what? Jun 05 17:07:15 how could we exploit that fact, or learn from it? what? Jun 05 17:07:16 well it means it might have all code required to do host mode Jun 05 17:07:23 no it doesn't Jun 05 17:07:28 jacekowski: it has some stubs Jun 05 17:07:35 Ikarus: how do you know? Jun 05 17:07:36 originally Nokia planned to include hostmode Jun 05 17:07:48 jacekowski: bme is maximum unrelated to hostmode Jun 05 17:07:58 well, it's related to power managment Jun 05 17:08:06 as in "hostmode doesn't care about bme" Jun 05 17:08:10 but the TWL4030 didn't handle charging, so they switched to a external PHY the 1701A, which doesn't handle host mode, they took some short tries at it Jun 05 17:08:23 1707 Jun 05 17:08:25 but because of USB licensing demands just slapped on a USB B plug and stopped Jun 05 17:08:58 fact is that bme has code to enable power to usb port Jun 05 17:08:59 that's exactly what I elaborated about several times :-D Jun 05 17:09:17 how could we exploit that fact, or learn from it? what? Jun 05 17:09:26 jacekowski: ^^^ Jun 05 17:09:27 jacekowski: could be from N8x0 days? Jun 05 17:09:28 so it might not be necessary to stop bme for host mode Jun 05 17:10:00 jacekowski: we actually expect that Jun 05 17:10:17 jacekowski: maybe, if you tell us the magic incantation to bme, to make it constantly enable boost Jun 05 17:10:17 yes, but nobody knows how to do it Jun 05 17:10:21 jacekowski: but that doesn't have anything to do with initially getting USB host mode to work Jun 05 17:10:31 at least not yet Jun 05 17:10:34 jacekowski: the BME is ONLY involved with power Jun 05 17:10:42 which really is a secondary issue Jun 05 17:10:49 Ikarus: exactly Jun 05 17:11:20 jacekowski: the reason people are mucking with it so far is that having power on vbus helps crashing the OTG statemachine Jun 05 17:11:22 DocScrutinizer: acctualy i think i have that magic incantation Jun 05 17:11:25 and we got a reliable way to enable VBUS for arbitrary periods of time, so a null-issue Jun 05 17:12:01 jacekowski: that would be highly convenient, for later use. Please enlighten us Jun 05 17:12:26 well, have was overstated Jun 05 17:13:17 jacekowski: see, for now we are happy with "stop bme; do_i2c_foo__enable-boost" Jun 05 17:13:31 sure Jun 05 17:13:39 but it would be nice to have bme do it Jun 05 17:14:01 and we'll continue to use that method until we sorted out ALL issues with host_mode, as that method is easy and well understood Jun 05 17:14:12 jacekowski: yes, exactly Jun 05 17:14:21 jacekowski: that's why I said Jun 05 17:14:27 jacekowski: that would be highly convenient, for later use. Please enlighten us Jun 05 17:15:51 hcm_: see above!! maybe bme interferes with what we're doing during the echo-madness, by pulsing VBUS? Jun 05 17:16:30 this could relate to the 32s timer which jacekowski found is rather unprecisely speced as "12..32s" Jun 05 17:17:41 DocScrutinizer: today I won't try any further… I hope titan will reply to my mail, then I can start to really understand what sarahs kernel does.. Jun 05 17:17:53 hcm_: some of the echo cmds might change state of 1707 chrg_det, which in turn might cause this watchdog timer kick in at random mment while echo madness continues Jun 05 17:35:05 Quick Q, does anyone have problems with osso-xterm? Jun 05 17:35:26 whenever i close x terminal Memory usage rises to 50+ Jun 05 17:35:39 lol Jun 05 17:35:48 free RAM becomes about 3MB Jun 05 17:35:57 load becomes 10.00+ Jun 05 17:36:03 Hahah Jun 05 17:36:06 and the device hangs for 5 minutes Jun 05 17:36:09 Interesting Jun 05 17:36:15 (prolly because of swapping) Jun 05 17:36:30 even mce doesn't detect the power button Jun 05 17:36:52 tried reinstall osso-xterm and busybox Jun 05 17:36:58 i'd purge busybox but... Jun 05 17:38:07 Hahah Jun 05 17:40:00 /apps/osso/xterm in gconf Jun 05 17:40:09 what's the default value for scrollback? Jun 05 17:40:35 ~mohammadag Jun 05 17:40:36 hmm... mohammadag is special Jun 05 17:40:46 * MohammadAG51 facesmacks Jun 05 17:41:15 defsult are a few 100 Jun 05 17:41:19 i raised it to 90000000 last week for hostmode :/ Jun 05 17:41:27 MUHAHAHA Jun 05 17:41:34 hehe Jun 05 17:42:03 that solved it... Jun 05 17:42:11 I bet Jun 05 17:42:50 explains why the clock was showing 10:30 when it was 13:30 Jun 05 17:42:58 anyone of you knows if compcache works in any of the community kernels . .and if, which one Jun 05 17:45:02 Hahah Jun 05 17:47:05 meh speaking of clocks, my device isnt obeying operator time like it should :< Jun 05 17:47:25 and seems to be maintaining it's time really *really* badly Jun 05 17:50:18 cool 111,111,111*111,111,111=12345678987654321 Jun 05 17:50:44 works with any length of 1's too Jun 05 17:52:09 I never knew that Jun 05 17:53:31 you're not special Jun 05 17:53:47 ~DocScrutinizer Jun 05 17:53:48 extra, extra, read all about it, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Jun 05 17:56:24 please, guys. I have a custom debian image "easy-chrooted". Everything works, but the audio, works. What is the trick to allow the audio to work inside the chroot? Do I need to install alsa, some pule library, etc ? Jun 05 17:59:07 Jun 05 18:01:54 are there alternative servers to knots2? Jun 05 18:03:18 RST38h, bored? Jun 05 18:04:15 tired rather Jun 05 18:04:27 * MohammadAG51 backspaces his request Jun 05 18:04:37 * alterego tries to think of an application to write. Jun 05 18:04:47 lasers!!! Jun 05 18:05:40 port nautilus or gparted Jun 05 18:06:08 * MohammadAG51 wonders if gparted would show /dev/mtd0 Jun 05 18:06:16 Heh Jun 05 18:07:12 hm. http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation reads that an upgrade from Maemo5-beta-SDK is not advised. How do I know whether I have the beta SDK? Jun 05 18:07:13 is it possible to edit the initramfs? I'm wondering if it is possible to encrypt the root fs Jun 05 18:10:34 I kinda wanted to port the ubuntu usb live disk creator. :) Jun 05 18:11:43 * RST38h is modifying the Carbon theme Jun 05 18:11:54 RST38h: could you point me into right direction on how to make a python script run as a xchat-N900 loaded script? Jun 05 18:12:12 DocScrutinizer, press F1 :P Jun 05 18:12:14 DocS: I think the answer is "you cannot" at the moment Jun 05 18:12:31 MohammadAG51: idi... :-P Jun 05 18:12:45 DocS: The reason being that I disabled Python support. Enabling Python support makes XChat depend on Python Jun 05 18:12:54 DocScrutinizer, RTFM Jun 05 18:13:03 MohammadAG51: stfu Jun 05 18:13:04 RST38h, err, so? Jun 05 18:13:25 DocScrutinizer, you're not supposed to teach 16 yos such words Jun 05 18:13:34 i once had the problem that some scripting language module (i think it was python) caused servered resource/cpu useage on my laptop Jun 05 18:13:38 RST38h: so I could recompile/build it with python, and everything fine? Jun 05 18:13:40 dunno if thats fixed meanwhile Jun 05 18:13:41 Mohammad: So, if I enable Python support, everyone will have to install Python just to use XChat Jun 05 18:13:48 yes DocScrutinizer :) Jun 05 18:14:00 RST38h, i can't see the problem with that :) Jun 05 18:14:06 DocS: More or less, as long as you are ok with what Python does to your mount table Jun 05 18:14:26 RST38h: It already does that Jun 05 18:14:28 :-D Jun 05 18:14:44 RST38h, I still don't see the problem :) Jun 05 18:14:47 there's more than one pkg using python Jun 05 18:14:51 most users already have python Jun 05 18:14:57 ^ Jun 05 18:15:09 you can make an extra package for xchat-python support? Jun 05 18:15:19 * cehteh didnt even install the extra locales Jun 05 18:15:24 cehteh: well I thought so. Jun 05 18:15:32 * RST38h does not have Python. Will install it once someone fixes the major fuckup that the current Python installation method is Jun 05 18:15:34 its just a .so Jun 05 18:15:43 RST38h: aiui the python interpreter is a plugin for xchat? Jun 05 18:15:58 hmm anyone know why checking settings in the backup app would causes a Backup error? If I don't enable my settings to get backed up, the backup runs fine. Jun 05 18:16:00 well, or a .so Jun 05 18:16:05 whatever Jun 05 18:16:09 DocScrutinizer: but see above, i think you dont really want it resource-wise Jun 05 18:16:17 * MohammadAG51 sshs into his scratchbox dir Jun 05 18:16:22 cehteh: Possible. I have not looked into it deeply enough Jun 05 18:16:23 that was also a reason i made native modules in C Jun 05 18:16:30 cehteh: I already *have* python Jun 05 18:16:51 DocScrutinizer: what i saied that the xchat-python integration wastes a lot resources Jun 05 18:17:08 cehteh: depends Jun 05 18:17:26 every message xchat receives/sends is routed through that module and at least there was some big overhead with that Jun 05 18:17:35 maybe its fixed i never looked at it again Jun 05 18:17:48 if the resources aka python are already there on your system, then the xchat implemeation overhead should be rather lightweight Jun 05 18:18:05 ooh Jun 05 18:18:05 it was not, i think thats a implementation problem of the module Jun 05 18:18:24 I can live with that Jun 05 18:18:39 xchat isn't excatly a cpu hog Jun 05 18:18:42 but thats long ago and i am not absolutely sure if it was python (i disabled all other scripting langauges which fixed it) Jun 05 18:18:54 and it won't become one with python plugin Jun 05 18:18:57 so.. what's easier Jun 05 18:19:02 1. add xchat support Jun 05 18:19:12 1. add python* support Jun 05 18:19:17 well on my laptop it did excessive wakeups .. not exactly cpu hog but no deeper sleep Jun 05 18:19:18 2. make someone learn C Jun 05 18:19:22 i'd say 1 Jun 05 18:19:33 MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer knows C :) Jun 05 18:19:59 but I don't want to use it for xchat "scripts" Jun 05 18:20:32 well and i opt for making the pyhton module and any other xchat plugin rather optional, this includes mine too, i just send it to RST38h because i am not packager Jun 05 18:20:43 DocScrutinizer, you want a python enabled package? :) Jun 05 18:20:46 --disable-python Jun 05 18:20:57 as those scripts I plan to implement in python are more like "config" rather than "lib" Jun 05 18:21:18 like the xchat-extra-locales package .. why not xchat-python xchat-perl xchat-foo and so on Jun 05 18:21:30 RST38h, does the spell checker cause problems? Jun 05 18:21:36 cehteh: ++ Jun 05 18:22:20 (well, that puts the work on RST38h as packager :]) Jun 05 18:22:26 so i dont care Jun 05 18:25:19 hey Jun 05 18:25:35 im running win7 x64 Jun 05 18:25:40 trying to update maemo manually Jun 05 18:25:49 installed virtual xp Jun 05 18:26:11 suitable usb device not found waiting Jun 05 18:26:40 i get wall of warnings on installing man, is this normal? Jun 05 18:26:50 about symlink problems Jun 05 18:26:59 this is annoying Jun 05 18:27:17 FIQ, man-db-n900? Jun 05 18:27:24 yep Jun 05 18:27:32 if it's dangling symlinks ignore them Jun 05 18:27:44 yeah, that Jun 05 18:27:49 too lazy to fix them, they don't cause issues though :P Jun 05 18:28:06 just wondered, as there were a LOTS of those warnings Jun 05 18:28:31 MohammadAG51, i checked on the forums and xp mode doesnt even detect the phone after installing flasher in it Jun 05 18:28:56 FIQ, i didn't have them in the older version of the pages but... oh well Jun 05 18:29:01 i'll fix them tonight Jun 05 18:29:09 ok Jun 05 18:29:15 FIQ, you shouldn't use apt-get! :P Jun 05 18:29:23 meh Jun 05 18:30:27 i don't think maemo has yum/pacman. :) Jun 05 18:30:34 it has assholes too Jun 05 18:31:26 anyone know where I file a bug report for diablo community SSU? Jun 05 18:31:54 skynets, any problems? Jun 05 18:32:07 yeah the n900 is a problem Jun 05 18:32:12 im gonna throw it to the wall Jun 05 18:32:34 sometimes "general failure" when i need the phone the most Jun 05 18:32:58 Heh Jun 05 18:33:20 i need to reflash it with win7 x64 Jun 05 18:33:25 checked out the forums Jun 05 18:33:37 not concrete solution aside from the ubuntu live cd Jun 05 18:33:53 tried installing virtual pc mode Jun 05 18:33:59 nothing Jun 05 18:34:02 i'd get a Damn Small Linux disc Jun 05 18:34:02 reinstalled drivers Jun 05 18:34:06 DSL Jun 05 18:34:13 about 30MBs Jun 05 18:34:18 really Jun 05 18:34:26 im guessing its text based Jun 05 18:34:30 nope Jun 05 18:34:32 no Jun 05 18:34:33 ok Jun 05 18:34:36 it has a GUI afaik Jun 05 18:34:52 i think it run LXDE Jun 05 18:34:58 runs* Jun 05 18:35:01 per default Jun 05 18:35:03 cool thanks ill at that Jun 05 18:35:07 oh, thought it was XFCE4 Jun 05 18:35:09 look into* Jun 05 18:35:15 hm Jun 05 18:35:19 equally as light I guess Jun 05 18:35:21 well, i'm not completly sure Jun 05 18:35:26 neither am I Jun 05 18:35:32 so no windows 7 x64 solution Jun 05 18:35:39 fluxbox ftw Jun 05 18:35:42 blame MS Jun 05 18:35:46 why cant nokia support its phones properly Jun 05 18:35:53 blame MS Jun 05 18:36:04 yeah but other phones work fine on win x64 Jun 05 18:36:04 Flasher works on ubuntu x64 Jun 05 18:36:05 does anybody know of 3D engines with OpenGL ES 2 support? Jun 05 18:36:18 skynets: what does it say on the box? Jun 05 18:36:19 awesome Jun 05 18:36:31 skynets: requirements? As I recall, it says XP or Vista 32bit Jun 05 18:36:31 tested "man ls" just to test if man worked Jun 05 18:36:32 well, other phones don't have a flasher-3.5 app Jun 05 18:36:42 the same as on win 7... Jun 05 18:36:42 suitable usb device not found waiting Jun 05 18:36:51 pager: applet not found Jun 05 18:36:52 man: kommandot avslutade med status 256: pager -s Jun 05 18:37:03 wtf Jun 05 18:37:14 btw on win 7 the driver " Nokia N900 (update device)" cant be installed Jun 05 18:37:15 Mohammad: Spell checker will coredump XChat when attaching to the text input widget Jun 05 18:37:19 If I reflash, is emmc reflash necessary? Jun 05 18:37:23 translated: "man: the command terminated with status 256: pager -s" Jun 05 18:37:24 opdf2: nope Jun 05 18:37:26 windows tries to install it everytime Jun 05 18:37:31 and always fails Jun 05 18:37:34 skynets, try the troubleshooting section Jun 05 18:37:34 Mohammad: This appears to be caused by Nokia utterly breaking the text input widget Jun 05 18:37:39 crashanddie:  ty Jun 05 18:37:40 meh Jun 05 18:37:48 RST38h, what's libtool Jun 05 18:37:49 MohammadAG51, where Jun 05 18:37:56 infobot, flasher Jun 05 18:37:57 i guess flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Jun 05 18:37:57 there Jun 05 18:38:06 i did Jun 05 18:38:11 but thaqnks anyays Jun 05 18:38:11 RST38h, /bin/sh ../../../libtool --mode=execute /usr/bin/glib-genmarshal --header --body marshallers.list > marshallers.h Jun 05 18:38:26 skynets, then get a 32 bit OS :J Jun 05 18:38:28 err Jun 05 18:38:30 :)* Jun 05 18:38:49 any thoughts? Jun 05 18:38:52 if i throw the n900 on the wall will it survive Jun 05 18:38:58 Yes Jun 05 18:39:02 if you're lucky Jun 05 18:39:02 crap Jun 05 18:39:05 Throw it extra hard Jun 05 18:39:12 it will break Jun 05 18:39:13 i need a reason to get rid of this Jun 05 18:39:22 but it's not _that_ bad quality Jun 05 18:39:48 skynets, wash it! Jun 05 18:40:15 way* Jun 05 18:40:23 yeah ill make a video Jun 05 18:40:28 skynets, dump your OS Jun 05 18:40:31 "N900 water test" Jun 05 18:40:38 ... :P Jun 05 18:40:38 N900 waterproof test Jun 05 18:40:43 put it on youtube Jun 05 18:41:06 MohammadAG51, yeah i guess Jun 05 18:41:48 alright thanks guys, btw check out Unthinkable with samuel l jackson. great movie! MohammadAG51 i'm sure ull like it too :D Jun 05 18:43:08 * MohammadAG51 wonders why you think that Jun 05 18:43:09 grr Jun 05 18:43:19 RST38h, are there any missing build-depends? Jun 05 18:43:28 Mohammad: libtool is another crappy autotool Jun 05 18:43:46 FIQ: maybe mandb pkg needs a decent less? Jun 05 18:44:03 less? it's already packaged Jun 05 18:44:07 RST38h: oh yeah Jun 05 18:44:13 -bash: less: command not found Jun 05 18:44:22 FIQ, install it Jun 05 18:44:26 apt-get install less Jun 05 18:44:27 but it seemed to come with man Jun 05 18:44:31 whatever Jun 05 18:44:31 sure Jun 05 18:44:32 really? Jun 05 18:44:49 RST38h, the build fails Jun 05 18:45:03 hmm Jun 05 18:45:10 less is installing now anyway Jun 05 18:45:10 even the clean source (from devel) fails to build Jun 05 18:45:17 should I take out sim during reflash? Jun 05 18:45:19 libtool gave me shitloads of headache Jun 05 18:45:24 but why isn't it a dependicy? Jun 05 18:45:41 opdf2, no reason to do that Jun 05 18:45:50 FIQ: maybe because messybox has a lesser less Jun 05 18:45:50 FIQ, didn't know it was needed :) Jun 05 18:45:56 MohammadAG51:  k ty Jun 05 18:45:57 that too Jun 05 18:46:09 it's the sdk man-db, just altered a bit Jun 05 18:46:18 i guess coreutils has less installed Jun 05 18:46:27 prolly not Jun 05 18:46:42 less is an separate pkg afaik Jun 05 18:46:47 Missing filename ("less --help" for help) Jun 05 18:46:54 in the sdk it's installed Jun 05 18:47:06 nokia took it out of depends... Jun 05 18:47:28 whatever, you need to set $PAGER correctly, then man will work Jun 05 18:47:46 What's wrong with "more"? Jun 05 18:48:23 can't page up back? Jun 05 18:48:25 messybox has a less linked to more, which in turn is messybox's brainfucked version of a pager Jun 05 18:48:50 man works without fixing that Jun 05 18:48:59 i guess the less package removes that link? Jun 05 18:49:03 Terje_: more as of busybox can't scroll back or search for strings or anything Jun 05 18:49:06 wall, then read well and try to remember. Jun 05 18:49:21 it's more retarded than msdos3.1's more Jun 05 18:50:26 and that's even ok, as messybox never was intended to be used as an interactive shell, and more is the mother of all interactive commands Jun 05 18:52:36 DocScrutinizer, well, if all you want to do is read a manpage, more could be enough. If you want to search a manpage, I guess it's easier to just google the man page up with N900's browser. Jun 05 18:54:44 Terje_: It's been me who provided a nice alias for 'man' to invoke microb with the proper manpage. But as manpages tend to be needed when you got *problems* with your system, I'd rather refrain from relying on a connectivity-dependent man command Jun 05 18:55:14 * FIQ changed his default shell to bash a while ago Jun 05 18:55:51 DocScrutinizer: agreed Jun 05 18:55:53 FIQ: and that's basically what makes man cmd fail for you ;-P Jun 05 18:56:03 heh Jun 05 18:56:10 but it works now. :) Jun 05 18:56:24 DocScrutinizer, didn't know of such an alias, but sounds like a good idea. :-) Jun 05 18:56:27 nice :-) Jun 05 18:56:38 brought some adventages like a better PS1, commands actually did work somewhat as they use to do on a computer and i could use sudo the normal way Jun 05 18:56:53 yep Jun 05 19:00:55 RST38h, got scratchbox installed? Jun 05 19:03:58 Well - no reason you can't cache all the mans Jun 05 19:05:46 what is real memory consumption of an idling n900 (roughly/min)? Jun 05 19:06:17 say i have a game that needs 128MB. Jun 05 19:07:20 wtf? Jun 05 19:07:24 memory isn't per-minute Jun 05 19:07:38 ... except when there is a leak somewhere O_o Jun 05 19:07:46 XD Jun 05 19:10:15 I think pupnik means absolute free memory over time :) Jun 05 19:10:20 pupnik_: or do you? :) Jun 05 19:11:32 In a chrooted debian image, I installed audacious pulse plugin and it worked. But the sound is stopping much often. Is there something to do? Jun 05 19:12:33 pupnik_, mine shows ~90MB of mem and less than 30MB swapped Jun 05 19:12:58 * ShadowJK is pretty much always at 128M swap or more Jun 05 19:13:50 Total: 1031964 375460 656504 Jun 05 19:14:18 hm. what's the most recent SDK rootstrap tarball for scratchbox? Jun 05 19:15:16 who's wiki.maemo.or tech maintainer? (admin) Jun 05 19:15:25 hm Jun 05 19:15:27 .org* Jun 05 19:15:48 dneary? Jun 05 19:16:14 hi Jun 05 19:16:19 i tend to have more than one device capable of connecting to the internet and displaying a webpage reasonably around me Jun 05 19:16:38 is the meego officially released for the n900? Jun 05 19:16:46 xDaReaperx: not yet Jun 05 19:16:55 xDaReaperx: commercial supported, never Jun 05 19:17:13 xDaReaperx: and there's #meego for those questions Jun 05 19:17:17 DocScrutinizer: X-Fade Jun 05 19:17:17 when will be released then? Jun 05 19:17:26 xDaReaperx: ask Intel and/or Nokia Jun 05 19:17:26 ok Jun 05 19:17:40 intel is working too ? awesome Jun 05 19:17:50 I think "never" for comercial release Jun 05 19:17:53 lbt: thanks. Is search in wiki known to be borked? are there plans to fix that? Jun 05 19:17:54 xDaReaperx: Meego is Maemo + Moblin Jun 05 19:18:11 hmm ok Jun 05 19:18:16 DocScrutinizer: not known to be broken AFAIK Jun 05 19:18:20 it will be free right? Jun 05 19:18:41 lbt: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?limit=50&title=Special:Contributions&contribs=user&target=speedevil&namespace=&year=&month=-1 Jun 05 19:19:18 DocScrutinizer: bug? Jun 05 19:19:19 X-Fade: why doesn't wiki search yield any hits? Jun 05 19:19:36 sure, that's why I ask for the maintainer :-) Jun 05 19:19:51 lbt: ^^^ Jun 05 19:19:52 DocScrutinizer, show me one manual contribution that should exist Jun 05 19:20:09 lcuk: err what? Jun 05 19:20:38 https://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=N900_Hardware_USB&action=history Jun 05 19:20:40 ok i found Jun 05 19:20:47 yep Jun 05 19:20:53 lcuk: I searched for lbt... Jun 05 19:21:10 lcuk: clicking there to 'contrib' -> bug Jun 05 19:21:46 lcuk: I used http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=N900_Software_BME&action=history Jun 05 19:22:13 sure DocScrutinizer - was just showing both sides of it Jun 05 19:22:25 neither speedevil nor joerg_rw 'contrib' works as supposed Jun 05 19:22:54 'contribs' actually Jun 05 19:24:57 also if you get a result list Jun 05 19:25:00 then requery Jun 05 19:25:16 I'd maybe open a ticket, if I knew where and which category Jun 05 19:25:22 the original list returns, does that indicate the page download redownloaded, or the submit was cancelled Jun 05 19:25:53 lcuk: you lost me Jun 05 19:26:16 first of all I never get a result list Jun 05 19:26:28 Hi Jun 05 19:26:30 DocScrutinizer, change the tickbox for "Show contributions of new accounts only" Jun 05 19:26:35 and get the list of results Jun 05 19:26:41 duh, now it worked Jun 05 19:26:44 then change it back to speedevil and submit again Jun 05 19:27:11 aah, no. that's been your suggestion Jun 05 19:27:45 https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=maemo.org%20Website Jun 05 19:28:03 and in the component on the resulting bug page, select wiki Jun 05 19:29:57 uhulll finally! Jun 05 19:32:25 so apparently Sprint's 4G is WiMAX Jun 05 19:32:38 is it operating on the same freq as the N810WE? Jun 05 19:34:15 which GFX backend should I choose for my port - SDL or plain GTK+ ? Jun 05 19:34:23 smoku: Qt Jun 05 19:34:44 ncurses Jun 05 19:35:22 are there any advantages of any? Jun 05 19:35:30 smoku: Qt is ideal Jun 05 19:35:36 GTK is ugly, slow, and sucks in general Jun 05 19:35:59 LiraNuna: according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N810#Nokia_N810_WiMAX_Edition it was *designed* for Sprint's WiMAX Jun 05 19:36:08 no idea if that's the same WiMAX they offer as "4G" now Jun 05 19:36:42 I know Nokia stopped supporting N810WE now, but I still have the device Jun 05 19:37:10 lcuk: maybe I lst my brain :-/ ""To file this bug, you must first choose a component. If necessary, just guess. Please press Back and try again."" -> back -> no field to select component?? Jun 05 19:37:18 obviously it won't failover to 3G if there's no 4G Jun 05 19:37:34 luke-jr, sadly Jun 05 19:37:46 LiraNuna: I'm not certain that anyone is actively working on N810WE support long-term either Jun 05 19:37:58 luke-jr, I know Jun 05 19:38:00 at least I got N900 Jun 05 19:38:02 DocScrutinizer, you mustv, because ive got a big fat combobox here Jun 05 19:38:49 lcuk: my bad. only seen the "Product" label Jun 05 19:39:13 why is the area under the battery icon become unclickable in portait mode ? Jun 05 19:39:16 LiraNuna: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38866 Jun 05 19:39:19 its a bug i think Jun 05 19:39:25 LiraNuna: supposedly he got it to work Jun 05 19:39:37 DocScrutinizer, *nod* but in general, its not easy to navigate bugtracker, in general a much more streamlined mechanism would be best Jun 05 19:39:49 oh nice Jun 05 19:40:32 bug #10573 Jun 05 19:40:33 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10573 wiki search fails to yield any hits Jun 05 19:41:44 aw crap... why am I waisting my time with you? Jun 05 19:42:21 waisting. Jun 05 19:42:52 He clearly didn't waste any time learning how to spell. Jun 05 19:42:59 HEY there is another bug i found , the email widget when enabled , the configuration icon thingy is unclickable Jun 05 19:43:02 Also, think of all that time he saves not hitting the shift key. Jun 05 19:43:30 hm. apt-get upgrade within the SDK complains about packets not being authenticated. But apt-get update worked flawlessly, i.e. it didn't complain about missing keys or anything. any hints as to how to fix that? Jun 05 19:43:40 So I pushed Qlister to testing. Jun 05 19:44:42 if you feel like testing and voting, it's here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/qlister/0.2-3/ Jun 05 19:45:01 DocScrutinizer, voted for it Jun 05 19:48:16 lcuk: on history page the user name is linked to http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=User:speedevil&action=edit Jun 05 19:48:35 action=edit seems quite insane Jun 05 19:50:19 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=User:speedevil would be more what I'd expect to get when hitting the name Jun 05 19:50:39 (without the &action=edit part) Jun 05 19:51:26 DocScrutinizer, indeed Jun 05 19:51:36 post it as an additional on the bug perhaps? Jun 05 19:51:40 or a totally new bug Jun 05 19:51:54 I really can't be bothered to open even another ticket for that ;-P Jun 05 19:52:19 addition (footnote) might be appropriate Jun 05 19:55:13 done Jun 05 19:56:44 DocScrutinizer, hopefully if theres a change required on the same page they can be dealt with together if required Jun 05 19:57:11 hmm Jun 05 19:57:47 a new ticket also should have pleased my karma, but I actually don't care Jun 05 19:58:02 haha Jun 05 19:59:16 we confirmed today that tracy is officially the better photographer Jun 05 19:59:34 we both had n900s on holiday and for some reason all mine came out blurry and hers were nice and sharp Jun 05 19:59:36 whoever that is Jun 05 19:59:49 Mrs. lcuk. Jun 05 19:59:54 aah Jun 05 20:00:23 i wanted to blame it on tech but with same hardware theres just no competition Jun 05 20:00:39 better handling of pre-shoot autofocus? Jun 05 20:00:59 Heh, Jun 05 20:01:01 http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/compiling.png :) Jun 05 20:01:11 I've been extremely happy with images I've taken :) Jun 05 20:01:18 how do i kill the damn browser Jun 05 20:01:33 Men naturaly have shaky hands - due to masturbation - thus resulting in a flawed image Jun 05 20:01:34 nvm it worked Jun 05 20:01:37 MohammadAG51: with a javelin Jun 05 20:01:51 DocScrutinizer, yeah that worked Jun 05 20:02:13 the sound stopped going to my headphone when plugged in. it happen after i enabled the fm transmitter while the headphone was connected. is there a fix for this? reboot doesn't help Jun 05 20:02:35 keesj, o_O Jun 05 20:02:37 but kernel does show events that the headphone is plugged Jun 05 20:02:41 hmm you can't FM transmit and hear to the song right ? Jun 05 20:02:55 keesj: fmtx and headphones are mutually exclusive Jun 05 20:03:09 keesj, battery pop? Jun 05 20:03:09 * SpeedEvil adds to the bug. 'I agree I should be credited with all edits on the wiki, this should do wonders for my karma'. Jun 05 20:03:39 SpeedEvil, you should be credited with nurturing a well read page anyway :) Jun 05 20:04:05 editing percentage vs views of the page :D Jun 05 20:04:25 i will try a battery pop. in only powered down Jun 05 20:04:42 DocScrutinizer, unless you use an external FMTX, in which case one is a subset of the other Jun 05 20:05:25 MohammadAG51: yes, captain obvious :-D Jun 05 20:05:31 :D Jun 05 20:06:13 [15:02:55] keesj: fmtx and headphones are mutually exclusive Jun 05 20:06:17 DocScrutinizer: WHY? Jun 05 20:07:13 luke-jr: fmtx must shut down when cable is attached, to meet max tx power regulations Jun 05 20:07:26 luke-jr, power output regulations and inteference i heard Jun 05 20:07:35 aiui the system tries to enforce this Jun 05 20:07:53 DocScrutinizer: so a headphone would "accidentally" become an antenna? Jun 05 20:07:59 yep Jun 05 20:08:02 nice Jun 05 20:08:15 open code, so I can bypass it when I form my own country? Jun 05 20:08:26 yes Jun 05 20:08:27 battery pop did not help. Jun 05 20:08:29 :D Jun 05 20:08:57 anyone use it for "pirate radio"? Jun 05 20:09:12 balls Jun 05 20:09:25 balls is a person? Jun 05 20:09:34 with a max output of maybe uW it could get hard to reach a wider audience Jun 05 20:09:46 aww Jun 05 20:09:47 no its a reaction to keesjs post Jun 05 20:10:04 so just strong enough to be illegal, and not strong enough to be useful? :/ Jun 05 20:10:08 oh well Jun 05 20:10:16 luke-jr: exactly Jun 05 20:10:27 its totally useful in the car Jun 05 20:10:29 guess that's a good defense for Nokia ;) Jun 05 20:10:42 "sure, they could remove the restriction, but *there'd be no point*" Jun 05 20:10:56 lcuk: sure, but that's legal :) Jun 05 20:11:23 can you tx and rx at same time? Jun 05 20:11:31 I did Jun 05 20:11:44 on different channels? Jun 05 20:11:49 or you received what you transmitted? Jun 05 20:11:51 though rx allegedly does NOT work WITHOUT headphones Jun 05 20:12:01 keesj, do the headphones still work? Jun 05 20:12:03 luke-jr: #2 Jun 05 20:12:13 and does it stop normal speaker volume when you plug in Jun 05 20:12:14 meh, kinda useless exercise then Jun 05 20:12:43 luke-jr: confirmed the TX is working Jun 05 20:12:52 * luke-jr wonders why software-defined radio isn't implemented more Jun 05 20:12:59 lcuk: I do get kernel messages when it's unplugged and plugged and the sound stops when it gets unplugged Jun 05 20:13:04 too power greedy Jun 05 20:13:08 Does the N900 turn off once emmc is done flashing? Jun 05 20:13:11 ah Jun 05 20:13:11 FMTX does not need to shut down when stuff is connected. Jun 05 20:13:22 opdf2, it should stay in flashing mode Jun 05 20:13:24 opdf2, depends on the setting you passed to flasher Jun 05 20:13:30 -R i have Jun 05 20:13:32 -R reboots afaik Jun 05 20:13:33 FMTX needs to reduce power when USB (host or computer) or headset/composite cable is plugged Jun 05 20:13:46 DocScrutinizer: even for the DSP? Jun 05 20:13:55 opdf2: depending on the -R parameter it either reboots or stays in flashing mode until batery empty Jun 05 20:14:00 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6792 - Jun 05 20:14:01 Bug 6792: FM radio transmitter does not play while USB cord is connected Jun 05 20:14:02 So can I unplug USB now, yellow light steady blinking Jun 05 20:14:17 What happend is that I did have the headphone connected. and i did pop a message that I first needed to remove the headphone but that's all Jun 05 20:14:18 I flashed FIASCO, no reboot, then emmc Jun 05 20:14:20 if the flasher says its done yeah Jun 05 20:14:36 okay yes it says it is done, then NOKIA white screen then it is off Jun 05 20:14:38 opdf2, where did you store your backup? Jun 05 20:14:41 so I can turn it on Jun 05 20:14:52 I copied to my hard driove Jun 05 20:14:57 :) Jun 05 20:15:03 SpeedEvil: that's basically correct, but hard to evaluate how to do it right Jun 05 20:15:14 DocScrutinizer: no, it's quite easy. Jun 05 20:15:17 hello, I'm a newbie... what's cool for hackers on the N900? Jun 05 20:15:18 and headphone still works (on a differenet pc). Jun 05 20:15:42 DocScrutinizer: Rent an emissions chamber. Quantify the maximum emissions from headset. Set limit appropriately. Jun 05 20:15:45 bernie: if you want to be really cool, buy beagle board Jun 05 20:15:52 Repeat for USB charger and computer. Jun 05 20:16:01 SpeedEvil: you can't exactly tell how high's the gain of a random attached cable Jun 05 20:16:24 DocScrutinizer: Sure. But you can reasonably say on the GUI 'Do not use other than nokia ... Jun 05 20:16:28 lcuk: also the sounds keeps playing on the speakers so it is probably more a audiopath issue. Jun 05 20:16:39 At least from a regulatory compliance POV Jun 05 20:16:45 has anyone tried installing truecrypt5+ on their n8x0? Jun 05 20:16:59 wouldn't a car charger also do the same? Jun 05 20:17:03 SpeedEvil: for sure they don't care about such kinky usecase (for headset at least) Jun 05 20:17:03 i.e boost the signal Jun 05 20:17:13 yrrol: too slow Jun 05 20:17:20 jacekowski: I've already got one :) Jun 05 20:17:27 MohammadAG: yes Jun 05 20:17:28 jacekowski, what is? Jun 05 20:17:32 truecrypt Jun 05 20:17:36 MohammadAG51: exactly Jun 05 20:17:36 MohammadAG: see my last comment on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6792 Jun 05 20:17:37 Bug 6792: FM radio transmitter does not play while USB cord is connected Jun 05 20:17:46 keesj, :S i dunno Jun 05 20:17:47 truecrypt 4.3a works pretty well Jun 05 20:17:50 MohammadAG: not dealing with all plugged in cables the same way is a bug. Jun 05 20:17:51 Oh hey, anyone looked into modifying the fmtx driver in the kernel, to support automatic findfreefrequency stuff that the chip supports? Jun 05 20:17:53 good enough Jun 05 20:18:04 I hope it's not a gconf configuuration because that's the kind of thing I will never find Jun 05 20:18:16 then he joined college and discovered girls Jun 05 20:18:20 er. Jun 05 20:18:20 ShadowJK: I vaguely recall it's in there. But it's not implemnted in the middleware Jun 05 20:18:31 SpeedEvil, iirc I didn't find it in the driver Jun 05 20:18:43 ShadowJK: what that would do? Jun 05 20:18:48 ShadowJK: K Jun 05 20:18:53 lol Stskeeps Jun 05 20:19:00 jacekowski: the FM TX can rapidly asses frequencies to see if they are free Jun 05 20:19:04 jacekowski, the chip can scan all frequencies and automatically pick the one that has least noise Jun 05 20:19:10 after 2 days I'm already bored with the stability of Maemo 5... can I track a development release? Jun 05 20:19:11 hmm Jun 05 20:19:14 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter Jun 05 20:19:15 jacekowski, thanks to the RDS, your car radio would automatically follow Jun 05 20:19:16 it would be nice thing to have Jun 05 20:19:34 as long as your radio receiver supports RDS, of course Jun 05 20:19:57 ShadowJK: you'd need to turn off the transmitter for that time of course Jun 05 20:19:59 well, it's i2c connected Jun 05 20:20:00 while scanning Jun 05 20:20:24 SpeedEvil: exactly Jun 05 20:21:00 what should happen if I plug the headphone after enabling the fm-transmitter :p Jun 05 20:21:05 SpeedEvil: so it's vastly useless feature during operation Jun 05 20:21:29 DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil haha http://i48.tinypic.com/2nh106r.jpg Jun 05 20:21:36 :D Jun 05 20:21:55 LOL Jun 05 20:22:16 oh my Jun 05 20:22:16 could messing with the libstdc++.so.6 file mess up a (n8x0) device? (linking to a newer libstdc++.so.6.0.9 for instance) Jun 05 20:22:49 I'm a smartass Jun 05 20:22:55 :) Jun 05 20:23:01 DocScrutinizer; no, it's not Jun 05 20:23:15 DocScrutinizer: user starts 'enable FM tx' application Jun 05 20:23:29 Hello hello Jun 05 20:23:31 that's not "during" Jun 05 20:23:42 What is the big news this beautiful Saturday? :) Jun 05 20:23:45 on my device the FM keeps transmitting Jun 05 20:24:15 App presents the normal freq selection dialog - with a greyed 'show free frequency' box. Jun 05 20:24:26 on mine it just works Jun 05 20:24:30 During this time it's scanning. Box ungreys when it's found free channels. Jun 05 20:24:49 SpeedEvil: perfect, implement it :-D Jun 05 20:24:59 hi MohammadAG51 Jun 05 20:25:04 hey Jun 05 20:25:19 MohammadAG51: Did you see a problem with the screen lock freezing up from time to time due to the PR 1.2 update? Jun 05 20:25:19 MohammadAG, I hope that guy electrocutes himself :D Jun 05 20:25:40 ShadowJK, what guy, that's how I charge :D Jun 05 20:25:49 MohammadAG, *facepalm* :) Jun 05 20:26:00 xD Jun 05 20:26:02 ShadowJK: that's how i use my laptop while driving Jun 05 20:26:08 ShadowJK: except i have bigger inverter Jun 05 20:26:12 ShadowJK, actually, the shock isn't all that bad Jun 05 20:26:19 DocScrutinizer: It doesn't interest me much, I would need a small amount of cash. Jun 05 20:26:21 is that 120V? Jun 05 20:26:27 i removed the charger and touched the metal part Jun 05 20:26:30 240V Jun 05 20:26:34 SpeedEvil: ack Jun 05 20:26:46 SpeedEvil, small = 1? Jun 05 20:27:14 Small = $150 or so. Jun 05 20:27:17 i would recommend finding a job Jun 05 20:27:24 and stopping to live off taxpayers money Jun 05 20:27:32 or putting up a donations button Jun 05 20:27:37 SpeedEvil: curse you, you're spoiling the devel market ;-P Jun 05 20:27:49 that still would be living off taxpayers money Jun 05 20:27:55 where can I find some example of telepathy for handling calls? Jun 05 20:28:00 there's 500+ of us here Jun 05 20:28:40 MohammadAG51: forget it Jun 05 20:28:49 anyone get evopedia working with a dump? I cant get the evopedia program to select the dump directory, after I extract the dump, and navigate to the folder in evopedia, it just looks inside the folder for some file it isnt finding Jun 05 20:28:56 DocScrutinizer, I was just stating the obvious Jun 05 20:29:01 not than any file is really missing, i just cant get it to select the directory rather than navigating inside it Jun 05 20:29:19 MohammadAG51: never worked for any project I've seen doing that Jun 05 20:29:26 Anything new cool app for the N900? Jun 05 20:29:36 jacekowski: I have perhaps an hour or two a day that I'm actually functional and productive. Jun 05 20:29:40 DocScrutinizer, doing what Jun 05 20:29:43 I was eagerly looking for the "LED pattern" or something similar program Jun 05 20:29:56 MohammadAG51: donation button Jun 05 20:30:04 jacekowski: Which makes job problematic. Jun 05 20:30:14 bernie, there isnt a dev release at present Jun 05 20:30:15 DocScrutinizer, well, if someone appreciates your work then... Jun 05 20:30:16 DrGrov: to do what? Jun 05 20:30:21 where specifically are you having problems Jun 05 20:30:24 MohammadAG51: no Jun 05 20:30:46 DocScrutinizer, I'm just saying... Jun 05 20:30:48 DocScrutinizer: to change the LED pattern on missed calls and missed SMS, charging etc. Jun 05 20:31:03 DrGrov: easy Jun 05 20:31:06 DocScrutinizer: I saw it on a Youtube video, not sure though where to find it and if it is stable Jun 05 20:31:10 just edit mce.ini Jun 05 20:31:11 DocScrutinizer: oh, it is easy? :) Jun 05 20:31:14 mce-pattern-editor Jun 05 20:31:23 Cool Jun 05 20:31:30 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mceledpattern/1.0.0/ Jun 05 20:31:33 err - not that one Jun 05 20:31:33 I hate to have the blue light blinking when I have both missed calls and SMS Jun 05 20:31:41 Prefer to have different ones Jun 05 20:31:55 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/led-pattern-editor/0.0.3-1/ Jun 05 20:31:57 that one Jun 05 20:31:59 edit mce.ini Jun 05 20:32:02 thanks SpeedEvil Jun 05 20:32:12 MohammadAG: ok, i will edit mce.ini. gotta get gainroot first Jun 05 20:32:49 The LED pattern editor is quite nice though. Jun 05 20:33:25 yeah Jun 05 20:34:41 Also - everyone! Please test stuff in extras-testing! http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ Jun 05 20:35:23 thumb it up or down if it works, does not use too much power, or doesn't have one of the blockers at http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist Jun 05 20:36:35 you get karma for testing! Jun 05 20:36:38 * MohammadAG51 hides Jun 05 20:37:26 Do you think karma even matters anymore? :P Jun 05 20:37:42 just ask DocScrutinizer Jun 05 20:37:44 * MohammadAG51 runs Jun 05 20:39:58 DocScrutinizer: oh btw, did I mention alarmed now does presets in the command execution? I wrote it a while ago and totally forgot that it's in the latest version :) Jun 05 20:40:33 DocScrutinizer: I'm also quite pleased with the way the setting/choosing of presets is done. it's very straight forward. Jun 05 20:40:52 alterego, in all seriousness, it's an effective method of showing how much you've contributed Jun 05 20:41:07 MohammadAG51: yeah, I know :P Jun 05 20:41:55 Shapeshifter: you want to tell me you adopted my suggestions and like them? Jun 05 20:42:12 DocScrutinizer: well presets are no doubt a good idea :) Jun 05 20:42:53 libsdl-mixeroggwav1.2-dev: Depends: libc6-dev but it is not installable Jun 05 20:43:03 DocScrutinizer: oh, even the CLI is supposed to support them now. Jun 05 20:43:05 (karma) no it's not really Jun 05 20:43:07 new options and all Jun 05 20:43:19 DocScrutinizer: mh? Jun 05 20:43:34 Shapeshifter: great :-) Jun 05 20:45:01 Shapeshifter: funny thing is I anticipated that maybe a week or 2 ago, when I told somebody here "use alarmed, it does all you need (execute scripts etc), it even has a cron like cli interface" Jun 05 20:45:18 ;) Jun 05 20:46:03 DocScrutinizer: I just improved the list layout. No more sideways scrolling and stuff. building the package now. Jun 05 20:47:17 DocScrutinizer, no? Jun 05 20:48:44 hallo Jun 05 20:48:58 MohammadAG51: no. There's reports of fsckng karma whore noobs thumbing down apps just for rising their karma. Also somebody adding a lot of noise to tmo shouln't get a karma reward for that Jun 05 20:49:32 i need some information and help Jun 05 20:49:40 ask Jun 05 20:49:43 DocScrutinizer, well you have to tie your accounts for that to happen, i doubt noobs do that Jun 05 20:50:21 how can i install python2.5-minimal on my n900? Jun 05 20:50:51 MohammadAG51: no idea. just saying karma is a rather fuzzy meter for any quality that matters Jun 05 20:51:42 boozetime Jun 05 20:51:45 cya Jun 05 20:51:50 prost Jun 05 20:52:26 cya DocScrutinizer Jun 05 20:53:43 anyone tried to export gps via bluetooth yet? Jun 05 20:54:00 I've not been much successful on the web Jun 05 20:55:18 satmd: check OpenMoko's wiki Jun 05 21:00:16 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth Jun 05 21:00:18 may be of use Jun 05 21:00:36 interesting Jun 05 21:01:40 much stuff won't be applicable, but itmay give you routes to check Jun 05 21:01:53 one thing is only left now Jun 05 21:01:58 where to access the nmea stream Jun 05 21:03:29 There isn't one. Jun 05 21:03:37 there's none on N900 Jun 05 21:03:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_GPS Jun 05 21:04:10 http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:N900_Hardware Jun 05 21:04:20 mhm Jun 05 21:05:09 makes it impossible without some coding Jun 05 21:08:37 would have it made useful to wardriving :p Jun 05 21:17:53 uh? you can do wardriving with N900 and a fixed wifi driver (more than just chan 6 :-P), no other harware or GPS export needed - for mere wardriving even the normal iwlist scan cmd should suffice, and no driver issues at all Jun 05 21:21:52 DocScrutinizer, cannot do packet injection tho can you? Jun 05 21:21:56 needs certain chipset Jun 05 21:22:51 yep Jun 05 21:23:11 at least that's the street talk now Jun 05 21:23:35 sure DocScrutinizer Jun 05 21:23:43 probably you'd just need a certain firmware Jun 05 21:24:22 though I dunno if we could change the FW for WiFi chip at all on N900 Jun 05 21:24:30 never looked into it in detail Jun 05 21:24:53 cya, my beer is crying from loneliness Jun 05 21:25:07 well DocScrutinizer isnt it effectively ruled out from most desktop chipsets for similar reason Jun 05 21:25:20 and theres been smart people trying to get it working for a long time Jun 05 21:25:29 and most have resorted to buying dongles who want it Jun 05 21:27:29 DocScrutinizer: I have a t500 here, too Jun 05 21:27:43 but gps reception of the included f3705g is poor Jun 05 21:28:13 satmd: Take the log produced by gps-logger-widget (or one of the many others) Jun 05 21:28:16 satmd: Correlate Jun 05 21:28:50 well, I found some snippet based on python-location Jun 05 21:29:06 it should be possible to make that loop and fake gps lines Jun 05 21:29:23 or plug in a decent wifi-dongle :-P Jun 05 21:30:36 btw what is current host mode status? Jun 05 21:31:05 wIP Jun 05 21:37:33 since 1.2 ssh seems so sluggish to me :( Jun 05 21:38:38 satmd, if you just installed it, give tracker time to update Jun 05 21:38:57 its quite a while, some people report a couple of hours Jun 05 21:39:37 tracker? Jun 05 21:42:02 satmd, media meta data scanner Jun 05 21:42:15 and the thumbnailer process too afaik Jun 05 21:42:49 btw, does anyone know what these whitespots on the screen are caused by? Jun 05 21:43:06 Shapeshifter, ? Jun 05 21:43:08 I'm not really bothered (unlike avarage tmo people) but I wonder what this is about. Jun 05 21:43:16 err, huh? Jun 05 21:43:18 lcuk: I have 4 bright spots on my screen. Jun 05 21:43:35 where? Jun 05 21:43:47 satmd: run top Jun 05 21:43:58 5% in hildon-* Jun 05 21:43:58 satmd: also - powersave induces a ping time of up to 400ms Jun 05 21:44:08 satmd: with the obvious effects on interactivity Jun 05 21:44:09 well, lag about 30s+ Jun 05 21:44:31 lcuk: there's not patterns, really. They're all in the right half of the screen, forming a trapezoid Jun 05 21:44:32 And with a rotuer that does not properly support powersave - enabling it can do that Jun 05 21:44:48 mhm Jun 05 21:46:04 satmd, that sounds odd Jun 05 21:46:15 30s lag shouldnt occur with anything, does it persist beyond a reboot? Jun 05 21:46:21 and when did you update to 1.2 Jun 05 21:46:28 and wheres the lag experienced Jun 05 21:46:30 Turn off powersave totally Jun 05 21:46:34 in wifi connections. Jun 05 21:46:37 Does this persist. Jun 05 21:46:38 dont change anytihng Jun 05 21:46:57 until sure its net related? Jun 05 21:47:57 lol Jun 05 21:47:59 http://stuff.moritzg.ch/DSC00035.JPG here's a picture. They're more obvious in real life than on this picture. Clearly noticable when the screen is white. But as I said, I'm not bothered, I just wonder why this has to be >.> Jun 05 21:49:15 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38815 people on tmo complaining about it Jun 05 21:49:19 in the usual fashion. Jun 05 21:51:00 Shapeshifter, using it in hot conditions? Jun 05 21:51:17 Shapeshifter, if i had to say i'd say it was pressure spots Jun 05 21:51:21 from a baching Jun 05 21:51:28 bashing Jun 05 21:51:47 basher... Jun 05 21:51:51 GAN900: no. cherrishing it. always by my side, almost never exposed to sunlight, in a pouch... Jun 05 21:51:53 hiya pb Jun 05 21:52:10 I never bumped it against anything. but maybe... Jun 05 21:52:12 who knows. Jun 05 21:52:16 howdy lc Jun 05 21:52:25 syre Shapeshifter Jun 05 21:52:26 Shapeshifter, could be thermal Jun 05 21:52:32 why do minor max frequency changes (say, 950->1100) affect subjective performance so much? it is just 15% and i feels like the phone becomes faster at least a third Jun 05 21:52:35 Combined with a manufacturing defect. Jun 05 21:52:57 Arkenoi, placebo? Jun 05 21:53:01 maybe Jun 05 21:53:11 but i did not believe until i tried Jun 05 21:54:07 Arkenoi: because the device doesn't usually run at the max speed all the time Jun 05 21:54:17 only when it's busy Jun 05 21:54:22 Shapeshifter - I have a single similar spot on my screen Jun 05 21:54:33 only noticeable atall when viewing a white screen though Jun 05 21:54:55 so it's now twice as fast when busy, rather than 50% faster Jun 05 21:56:59 DocScrutinizer: wardriving involves plotting APs on a map; how woudl you do that w/o GPS? Jun 05 21:57:17 how fast do this overclocked devices draw the battery? Jun 05 21:58:20 about the same, because they spend more time at the lower clock speeds because they need to spend less at the higher... Jun 05 21:58:25 My N900 keeps rebooting when I use it as a modem in Windows... is that normal? Jun 05 21:58:37 windows problem :P Jun 05 21:58:43 it apparently lowers the cpu lifespan though Jun 05 21:58:56 svanheulen: sounds like a bug to me Jun 05 21:59:06 svanheulen: what firmware version Jun 05 21:59:18 well yeah, it works fine in ubuntu, which is what i normally use Jun 05 21:59:28 just flashed 1.2 Jun 05 21:59:48 ok then it isnt what i might have suggested Jun 05 22:00:31 I'm guessing it's a Nokia PC Suite issue Jun 05 22:00:48 just wonding if anyone else has that problem Jun 05 22:03:59 grr .. busybox swapon has no priority parameter, anyone knows if thats tweakable via /sys or /proc ? Jun 05 22:06:39 need to figure out where the place to use fn keys in term is Jun 05 22:06:48 anybody know where? Jun 05 22:07:55 can not parse Jun 05 22:10:00 anyone here still OTA only from initial release? Jun 05 22:11:40 Robot101, "apparently". :P Jun 05 22:12:02 ugh Jun 05 22:12:24 i cant find the info on how to add f1-f10 to xterm Jun 05 22:13:16 find the keycodes first Jun 05 22:13:33 i.e | is bar, enter is kp_enter Jun 05 22:13:55 | is bar Jun 05 22:14:08 MohammadAG51: i am trying to find info Jun 05 22:14:25 Macer, wikipedia ftw (not maemo specific) Jun 05 22:14:30 it would be nice to add like... Fn to the bar Jun 05 22:14:42 and be able to hit 1-10 Jun 05 22:14:52 like how ctrl stays locked Jun 05 22:15:14 u wanf fn to be on my xterm key bar :) Jun 05 22:15:20 i want Jun 05 22:15:29 you can, just get the name of the key Jun 05 22:15:59 then just use gconftool (or gconf-editor for a UI) Jun 05 22:16:09 Load average: 18.01 8.50 3.9 Jun 05 22:16:10 .. grr Jun 05 22:16:17 hm Jun 05 22:16:19 MohammadAG51: ok Jun 05 22:16:29 * satmd is giving up Jun 05 22:16:34 not worth the struggle Jun 05 22:17:17 there is no gconf-editor Jun 05 22:17:25 blah. i will work on this later Jun 05 22:17:30 i just want to use mc Jun 05 22:17:46 *need-more-ram* Jun 05 22:17:55 cehteh: me too Jun 05 22:18:49 luke-jr: you played with custom kernels .. how about getting compcache in? Jun 05 22:19:27 exists for n8x0 already Jun 05 22:19:50 yeah Jun 05 22:19:59 would be awesome for the n900 Jun 05 22:20:52 lets use fm transmitter to synchronise audio playback btwn tablets lcuk_wchin_drwho Jun 05 22:22:03 pupnik, o_O Jun 05 22:22:18 pupnik_, the TX and RX can't operate at the same time Jun 05 22:22:20 afaik Jun 05 22:22:42 only one needs to tx Jun 05 22:22:53 actually they do .. the RX is used to tune the TX internally Jun 05 22:23:15 the conductor Jun 05 22:23:24 I don't wanna ssh as root, How do I create user? Jun 05 22:23:37 same way as normal linux afaik Jun 05 22:24:01 useradd, okay Jun 05 22:24:22 opdf2: just login as 'user' Jun 05 22:24:27 thats the default user name Jun 05 22:24:40 you may add your key (or setup a password) Jun 05 22:24:44 Do I need to establish pw? Jun 05 22:24:45 okay Jun 05 22:24:55 * cehteh prefers key only logins Jun 05 22:27:06 MohammadAG51: That is not a hardware limitation. Jun 05 22:27:20 cehteh: the rx of the FMTX Jun 05 22:27:21 even better Jun 05 22:27:58 To restate - if I've lost the thread - the rx of the fmtx requires the tx to be off - as I understand it. Jun 05 22:28:12 The fm reciever and the fm tx can work at the same time Jun 05 22:28:30 opdf2: Or ssh user@foo Jun 05 22:30:36 (luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: wardriving involves plotting APs on a map; how woudl you do that w/o GPS?) you always ask questions that are like 'have you stopped beating your wife meanwhile?" Jun 05 22:31:48 luke-jr: I never suggested anything like that and consequently won't be able to make any sense out of or answer you question Jun 05 22:33:34 also, DocScrutinizer51 & luke-jr: wardriving doesn't involve GPS mapping. It's a subpart of wardriving, but really, wardriving is just the act of trying to find networks from your car Jun 05 22:34:52 crashanddie: which is exactly what I was saying in that context an hour ago Jun 05 22:35:02 good Jun 05 22:35:50 a great episode of the new series :) Jun 05 22:36:14 heya seb \o hear you offered me a ciggie Jun 05 22:36:16 can we get lcuk back now? Jun 05 22:36:26 :) sure Jun 05 22:36:40 * lcuk never microblogged in 15 characters before Jun 05 22:36:45 lol Jun 05 22:37:04 lcuk: yo, yeah, offered you a ciggie, then got scared 'cuz you weren't ehre Jun 05 22:37:18 lcuk: I haven't watched any dr who's with the new doctor, is he any good? Jun 05 22:37:42 was having a nice break in south of england :) Jun 05 22:38:32 crashanddie, i knew i was watching drwho tonight :) Jun 05 22:38:51 * MohammadAG51 wonders what dr who is Jun 05 22:39:00 seen on TV, never watched it Jun 05 22:40:04 theres a bug with rotated xv Jun 05 22:40:28 and it effects mplayer too Jun 05 22:50:10 lcuk, that killed the conversation :P Jun 05 22:50:30 sorry distracted by other screen :p Jun 05 22:50:43 its bugging me Jun 05 22:51:12 * lcuk will close vnc and just hack, gnite \o Jun 05 22:51:19 * MohammadAG51 suggests the /part command Jun 05 22:51:22 :( Jun 05 22:51:28 gnite lcuk Jun 05 22:53:54 night Jun 05 22:53:57 lcuk: Jun 05 22:55:36 clean install of the SDK Jun 05 22:55:47 I open browser and select the textbox Jun 05 22:55:52 segfaults Jun 05 22:55:53 wtf Jun 05 22:56:30 sdk is accessed via browser? Jun 05 22:56:52 I opened the browser in maemo Jun 05 22:57:30 installed the nokia-binaries and nokia-apps? Jun 05 22:57:35 Yes Jun 05 22:57:44 I shouldnt have? Jun 05 22:58:20 did I say that? Jun 05 22:58:53 Just askin Jun 05 22:59:04 :) Jun 05 23:16:28 segfault not caused by nokia bins Jun 05 23:18:52 * timeless_mbp chuckles Jun 05 23:18:57 Couldn't download Fennec. Jun 05 23:18:59 Package not found. Jun 05 23:19:03 [ Yes ] [ No ] Jun 05 23:19:09 * timeless_mbp thanks HAM for the dialog Jun 05 23:19:22 it's a truly Nokia dialog! Jun 05 23:20:24 :) Jun 05 23:21:29 http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/screenshots/Screenshot-20100606-021941.png Jun 05 23:22:02 SpeedEvil: for 100 ham credits, would you like to guess what happens when i click "yes"? Jun 05 23:23:36 Your n900 catches fire. Jun 05 23:24:24 i fucked up my bme Jun 05 23:24:34 i've disconnected cable and it's still charging Jun 05 23:24:46 stop bme Jun 05 23:24:48 start bme Jun 05 23:27:15 http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=158 Jun 05 23:27:19 n900 failed Jun 05 23:28:47 the n900 has an f/2.8 lens? Jun 05 23:29:24 jacekowski: also, it's a night shot, even low end slrs will have trouble with that Jun 05 23:29:40 jacekowski: you did select 'night' mode? Jun 05 23:29:50 jacekowski: is this 1.2 w/ night mode? Jun 05 23:29:53 because before then.... Jun 05 23:29:53 timeless_mbp: yipeee Jun 05 23:29:54 yes Jun 05 23:30:03 night mode is better than nothing - but it's really a very basic mod Jun 05 23:30:07 i think it focused onto window Jun 05 23:30:15 jacekowski: lfocus Jun 05 23:30:27 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/lfocus/0.520-1/ Jun 05 23:30:29 there's a nokia development app to try to help w/ focus Jun 05 23:30:50 manual focus would be nice Jun 05 23:30:57 jacekowski: ^ Jun 05 23:31:06 it is manual focus app isn't it? Jun 05 23:31:12 ye Jun 05 23:31:13 s Jun 05 23:32:10 jacekowski: search in ham for 'focus' Jun 05 23:32:18 it inda works Jun 05 23:32:35 ham? Jun 05 23:33:19 it'sapita to enable Jun 05 23:33:35 but works when it finally does Jun 05 23:33:44 quite nicely Jun 05 23:34:25 ~ham Jun 05 23:34:34 well, ham is oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager Jun 05 23:35:11 ~ham is also Hildon application Manager Jun 05 23:35:13 okay, DocScrutinizer51 Jun 05 23:35:34 damn Jun 05 23:35:38 fail Jun 05 23:35:44 ~mohammadag Jun 05 23:35:45 i heard mohammadag is special Jun 05 23:36:01 ~ham Jun 05 23:36:02 bit often now, eh? Jun 05 23:36:02 ham is probably oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Hildon application Manager Jun 05 23:36:12 dupe! Jun 05 23:36:28 ~undo ham Jun 05 23:36:28 DocScrutinizer51: did you add that custom call to infobot? xD Jun 05 23:36:51 ooh fsck Jun 05 23:37:16 infobot: literal curse Jun 05 23:37:17 "curse" is " see swearing" Jun 05 23:37:18 sometimes I wish the screen was twice the area Jun 05 23:37:25 ~help Jun 05 23:37:26 infobot: literal insult Jun 05 23:37:36 infobot: literal insult Jun 05 23:37:39 * timeless_mbp sighs Jun 05 23:37:42 it's probably a module Jun 05 23:37:48 DocScrutinizer51: type ~help Jun 05 23:38:08 b-man|laptop: why? Jun 05 23:38:24 I guess I know it by heart Jun 05 23:38:29 DocScrutinizer51: there might be a call to undo that Jun 05 23:38:43 tell me... Jun 05 23:39:03 ~forget ham Jun 05 23:39:03 DocScrutinizer51: i forgot ham Jun 05 23:39:12 ~ham Jun 05 23:39:21 ;) Jun 05 23:39:24 Is it possible to do this in PM/ Jun 05 23:39:27 ~unforget ham Jun 05 23:39:27 DocScrutinizer51: Successfully recovered 'ham'. Have fun now. Jun 05 23:39:57 hmm Jun 05 23:40:12 infobot: literal ham Jun 05 23:40:13 "ham" is "oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Hildon application Manager" Jun 05 23:41:17 ~math 2+2 Jun 05 23:41:35 ~coffee Jun 05 23:41:36 well, coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage Jun 05 23:42:00 ~cookie Jun 05 23:42:01 ~2+2 Jun 05 23:42:02 Hey b-man|laptop, is Jun 05 23:42:02 somebody said 2+2 was 5 Jun 05 23:42:12 lol Jun 05 23:43:32 ~babelfish Jun 05 23:43:55 hmm, didn't work Jun 05 23:44:33 edit: nvm :P Jun 05 23:45:03 ~2 + 2 Jun 05 23:45:04 somebody said 2 + 2 was 5 for sufficiently large values of 2 Jun 05 23:45:08 ~lart MohammadAG Jun 05 23:45:08 * infobot crushes MohammadAG with a full height scsi disk Jun 05 23:45:23 ~useless Jun 05 23:45:24 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer51 in the darkest corner of the room. :( Jun 05 23:45:32 ~lart DocScrutinizer51 Jun 05 23:45:33 * infobot stabs DocScrutinizer51 Jun 05 23:45:37 rofl Jun 05 23:45:38 xDD\ Jun 05 23:45:53 ~111111111 * 111111111 Jun 05 23:45:54 12345678987654320 Jun 05 23:45:59 lol Jun 05 23:46:59 ~kernel Jun 05 23:47:02 Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100604, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.35-rc1-git4, mainline 2.6: 2.6.35-rc1, stable 2.6: 2.6.34 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.5 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.15 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.13 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.47 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.9 Jun 05 23:47:03 ~nuke Jun 05 23:47:04 Cockroach. I win. Jun 05 23:47:19 ~Ubuntu b-man|laptop Jun 05 23:47:20 * infobot lovingly explains to b-man|laptop in a way that causes b-man|laptop to weep with gratitude that b-man|laptop must read the fine, friendly manual Jun 05 23:47:36 it wasn't like that Jun 05 23:47:37 ~Ubuntu b-man|laptop Jun 05 23:47:38 * infobot lovingly explains to b-man|laptop in a way that causes b-man|laptop to weep with gratitude that b-man|laptop must read the fine, friendly manual Jun 05 23:47:40 lol Jun 05 23:47:45 meh, someone changed it Jun 05 23:47:47 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders how many ibot (threads) there are Jun 05 23:47:50 it was RTFM Jun 05 23:47:57 ~join #xceleo Jun 05 23:47:59 :D Jun 05 23:48:09 D: Jun 05 23:48:11 I am not allowed to join #xceleo. Jun 05 23:48:15 rofl Jun 05 23:48:38 how are the ~attack like commands defined? Jun 05 23:48:47 ~attack DocScrutinizer51 Jun 05 23:48:48 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing DocScrutinizer51 Jun 05 23:49:11 * MohammadAG takes pics Jun 05 23:49:22 all i know is that infobot is written in perl Jun 05 23:49:49 haven't really examined the source Jun 05 23:50:46 ~nickometer MohammadAG Jun 05 23:50:48 'MohammadAG' is 8.000% lame, b-man|laptop Jun 05 23:50:53 ~lart MohammadAG for taking pics Jun 05 23:50:53 * infobot DoSes MohammadAG for taking pics Jun 05 23:51:06 ~nickometer b-man|laptop Jun 05 23:51:06 ~flash DocScrutinizer51 Jun 05 23:51:07 'b-man|laptop' is 26.000% lame, b-man|laptop Jun 05 23:51:07 * infobot starts a firmware update on DocScrutinizer51, then pulls the plug halfway through Jun 05 23:51:12 noo! Jun 05 23:51:28 ~nickometer DocScrutinizer51 Jun 05 23:51:29 'DocScrutinizer51' is 30.000% lame, b-man|laptop Jun 05 23:51:46 DocScrutinizer51 is lamer than i am :D Jun 05 23:52:00 infobot: fsckya Jun 05 23:52:15 ~fsck DocScrutinizer51 Jun 05 23:52:16 e2fsck /dev/DocScrutinizer51 : warning! filesystem contains idiots! Jun 05 23:52:27 ROFL, that wasn't intended Jun 05 23:52:28 XD Jun 05 23:52:36 LOL Jun 05 23:52:49 * b-man|laptop dies laughing Jun 05 23:52:52 I didn't even know it was defined Jun 05 23:52:58 xDD Jun 05 23:53:02 * DocScrutinizer51 yawns Jun 05 23:53:36 expected something a forced fsck while mounted Jun 05 23:53:43 like a* Jun 05 23:53:58 ~ham Jun 05 23:53:59 it has been said that ham is oink oink. Hildon Application Manager. Hazardous Application Manager. Hildon application Manager Ham is also lovely with pickle. Jun 05 23:54:13 ~lart himself Jun 05 23:54:13 * infobot forces himself to use Outlook Express Jun 05 23:54:23 herself* Jun 05 23:54:23 ~factinfo Jun 05 23:54:34 I wanted to start a garage project Jun 05 23:54:46 to make all apps that work perfectly in portrait, support portrait Jun 05 23:54:57 starting with modesst, and ending with the application manager Jun 05 23:55:40 i.e adding a flag and building it Jun 05 23:55:49 * MohammadAG gulps Jun 05 23:55:56 modest needs new UI Jun 05 23:56:02 lol Jun 05 23:56:03 the current one just sucks big time Jun 05 23:56:04 LOL Jun 05 23:56:32 DocScrutinizer51: wtf? Jun 05 23:56:37 Arkenoi, share the package when you're done http://modest.garage.maemo.org/ Jun 05 23:56:54 infobot: botsnack Jun 05 23:56:55 thanks, DocScrutinizer51 Jun 05 23:57:40 crashanddie, don't worry, DocScrutinizer51 doesn't abuse his op Jun 05 23:57:41 much Jun 05 23:57:43 :P Jun 05 23:57:58 * MohammadAG runs Jun 05 23:58:07 * b-man|laptop hides MohammadA Jun 05 23:58:18 *MohammadAG Jun 05 23:58:23 * MohammadAG points at the tab button on b-man|laptop's laptop Jun 05 23:58:38 hmm, mailing lists seem to be long dead Jun 05 23:59:15 fie hard Jun 05 23:59:22 die even Jun 06 00:06:51 ~ignore MohammadAG Jun 06 00:06:53 * infobot sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, MohammadAG!" Jun 06 00:07:43 *sniff* Jun 06 00:08:20 damn Jun 06 00:08:24 cant find any wallpapers of erica cerra Jun 06 00:08:30 :/ Jun 06 00:09:00 normally i would use alicia keys but she got knocked up so she is off the list Jun 06 00:19:21 any remote for philips living colors for maemo ? Jun 06 00:19:36 any remote for philips living colors on maemo ? Jun 06 00:21:59 want to try again, didn't hear you the first two times Jun 06 00:22:11 Chiku: not possible Jun 06 00:22:23 those living colours devices use iirc zigbee Jun 06 00:22:37 or a custom protocol, sort of forgot :) Jun 06 00:23:00 friend of mine works at philips, he was busy interfacing other stuff to living colours Jun 06 00:23:26 on google with qtirreco philips living colors Jun 06 00:23:40 there is a link to maemo talk Jun 06 00:23:49 have you considered using complete sentences? Jun 06 00:23:49 but link broke Jun 06 00:24:04 QtIrreco for N900 (87). to Applications by Meelis - 7 mins ago .... Philips living color remote on n900? by: RDJEHV | Replies: 2 | Views: 170 | Forum: ... Jun 06 00:24:04 talk.maemo.org/search.php?searchid=6352808&pp=25&page=11 Jun 06 00:27:29 Ikarus, the devices supports radio frequence, and not ir Jun 06 00:31:29 3) The Gen2 uses IEEE802.15.4 (it says so in the manual) and is said to use encrypted Zigbee. Zigbee and encrypted Zigbee use IEEE802.15.4. Jun 06 00:31:33 ok Jun 06 00:36:44 Chiku: guess what Jun 06 00:36:57 the N900 supports Wifi and Bluetooth on those frequencies Jun 06 00:37:00 it can't do zigbee Jun 06 00:37:14 it lacks the hardware to generate the modulation for it Jun 06 00:37:52 I don't know what is zigbee. let's me read wikipedia Jun 06 00:39:55 Popular name for the IEEE 802.15.4 standard for an extremely low power, and low bit rate wireless PAN technology, Zigbee is designed for wireless ... Jun 06 00:40:11 ZigBee, defined in the IEEE 802.15.4, is the technology used in the low data rate Wireless Personal Area Network (WPAN) for home control, building automation industrial automation. ZigBee covers up to 330 feet (about 100 meters) in the bandwidth of 20 to 250 kbps. ... Jun 06 00:41:33 so pc with wifi or n900 could remotel zigbee devices ? Jun 06 00:48:01 I got the link http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41944 Jun 06 00:52:00 i'm chatting from GVM :) Jun 06 00:52:23 and what is GVM? Jun 06 00:52:31 GarnetVM Jun 06 00:52:36 oh. Jun 06 00:52:51 Palm emulator Jun 06 00:54:05 upIRC is nice for a palm IRC client :) Jun 06 00:58:15 damn amoebas Jun 06 00:58:33 protozoans are worse! Jun 06 00:59:39 worst are the humans accusing you for antisemitism (I'm German) because of you saying main actor of Monk the TV series is probably a jew Jun 06 01:03:53 * MohammadAG googles antisemitism Jun 06 01:03:59 damn, if even Germans are so indoctrinated they don't allow critics of Israel's foreign politics, because of holocaust. Even worse, just the mentioning of "this is probably jewish humor" is considered antisemitic. Any decent jew would probably insist in there's a thing like jewish humor, and it either is good for you or you don't like it. But that's insane - really Jun 06 01:04:26 meh Jun 06 01:04:40 ack. Jun 06 01:05:06 that's why I stopped to care about whatever "they" say in general Jun 06 01:05:29 Germans are the most dangerous blockheads on this planet, seriously Jun 06 01:05:49 including you? :) Jun 06 01:06:03 I'm happy I never felt like being German Jun 06 01:06:41 how does it feel? Jun 06 01:07:00 though living here, I have nothing in common with those idiots Jun 06 01:07:03 * cehteh humms some Wagner Overture Jun 06 01:07:53 btw will you be at froscon in august? Jun 06 01:08:09 that amoeba thought he's politically correct (PC) and didn't realize he's perpetuating the same shit over and over again Jun 06 01:09:07 the chinese govt is politically correct too .. Jun 06 01:09:22 and the north korean one of course Jun 06 01:10:27 I'm a mass killer. Jun 06 01:10:36 found a colony(?) of ants in my candy bin Jun 06 01:10:37 -.- Jun 06 01:10:37 DocScrutinizer, just let it go Jun 06 01:11:25 * MohammadAG calls animal cruelty and gives them luke-jr's coordinates Jun 06 01:11:58 ~lart animal cruelty control Jun 06 01:11:59 * infobot slams animal cruelty control against a large cement Tux Jun 06 01:12:09 MohammadAG: ants exist for me to kill Jun 06 01:12:13 at least, once they enter my home Jun 06 01:12:16 MohammadAG: finding yourself accused to be antisemit, because you say Monk is probably a Jew... That'sa hard to let go Jun 06 01:12:28 DocScrutinizer: ignore it, it's just name-calling Jun 06 01:12:42 not even accurate name-calling at that Jun 06 01:12:47 DocScrutinizer, so what Jun 06 01:12:49 you get upset every time someone calls you a retard? Jun 06 01:12:52 or idiot? Jun 06 01:12:54 it's just prolly some idiot Jun 06 01:13:05 ok, vive l'Anarchia!!!!!! Jun 06 01:13:07 luke-jr, he kicked infobot because of it Jun 06 01:13:15 ... Jun 06 01:13:24 ~fsck luke-jr Jun 06 01:13:36 e2fsck /dev/luke-jr : warning! filesystem contains dickheads! Jun 06 01:13:44 LOL Jun 06 01:13:54 DocScrutinizer, at least it didn't say that to you Jun 06 01:13:58 hehe Jun 06 01:14:01 s/it/she Jun 06 01:14:04 sorry chanel, it drove me away Jun 06 01:14:58 ~fsck MohammadAG Jun 06 01:14:59 e2fsck /dev/MohammadAG : warning! filesystem contains dumbasses! Jun 06 01:15:02 DocScrutinizer: Jackie Chan is probably asian! Jun 06 01:15:06 I seriously offered that guy to go out and fight it down Jun 06 01:15:09 aww infobot, you shouldn't have Jun 06 01:15:15 DocScrutinizer, o_O Jun 06 01:15:17 Whats the stock kernel/pr1.2 CPU utilization of hildon-desktop and xorg while idle (not standby)? Jun 06 01:16:03 that *me* who thinks all political concepts are major BS Jun 06 01:16:29 Political view: Screw them (R) My profile on facebook Jun 06 01:16:40 lol Jun 06 01:16:47 rofl Jun 06 01:16:52 amoebas (tm) JR Jun 06 01:17:46 JR, reminds me of that electronics shop :P Jun 06 01:17:50 man will never leave that solar system when fighting about such idiocies Jun 06 01:18:01 Political Views: So Conservative I fall off the edge of the political spectrum Jun 06 01:18:46 http://www.facebook.com/luke.dashjr fwiw Jun 06 01:18:48 luke-jr: we all knew that. Still I accept you :-P Jun 06 01:18:51 * MohammadAG drools http://www.jr.com/toshiba/pe/TOS_X505Q880/ Jun 06 01:19:09 can' anyone lend me some cash? I'm 1.5 $ short Jun 06 01:19:16 -', +k Jun 06 01:19:24 MohammadAG: I'm $600 short-- for rent due on the 1st Jun 06 01:19:28 * b-man|laptop digs in his pocket Jun 06 01:19:51 1.5$? Jun 06 01:20:04 * b-man|laptop pulls out some cash, gives it to MohammadAG Jun 06 01:20:06 you missed the +k part Jun 06 01:20:11 I ignored it! Jun 06 01:20:21 I'm just short of a perspective to get me my next breakfast Jun 06 01:20:44 * MohammadAG takes the money from b-man|laptop and ships the laptop to Illinois instead of Israel Jun 06 01:20:52 LOL Jun 06 01:21:02 but life still has a meaning, as people appreciate my hostmode shit Jun 06 01:21:22 * MohammadAG demands a refund!!! Intel Core i7-720QM 1.6GH Jun 06 01:21:28 The GUI is great. /pat Jun 06 01:21:34 expected 3.2 or something Jun 06 01:21:45 I appreciate your shit too DocScrutinizer Jun 06 01:21:57 shit w/ the metaphorical meaning of course >.< Jun 06 01:22:22 ~lart b-man|laptop Jun 06 01:22:22 * infobot hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at b-man|laptop Jun 06 01:22:41 rofl Jun 06 01:22:44 .. Jun 06 01:22:52 how can intestinal parasites be contagious? Jun 06 01:22:55 ~lart b-man|laptop Jun 06 01:22:55 * infobot acting on orders from an unspecified client drags b-man|laptop into court suing for $200 million Jun 06 01:23:03 luke-jr, direct contact Jun 06 01:23:17 ~lart MohammadAG Jun 06 01:23:17 * infobot beats MohammadAG over the head with a microkernel Jun 06 01:23:19 direct contact to your intestines? Jun 06 01:23:24 xDD Jun 06 01:23:43 luke-jr, well, according to answers.yahoo.com, you can poke your baby while having s... Jun 06 01:23:46 XD Jun 06 01:24:13 oh lord xD Jun 06 01:24:17 or get your baby pregnant (I seriously saw that) Jun 06 01:24:38 MohammadAG: you pervert! Jun 06 01:24:46 you don't accidentally see crap like that Jun 06 01:24:52 luke-jr, nothing new there Jun 06 01:25:15 * DocScrutinizer suggests a radical switch of topic Jun 06 01:25:29 beer? Jun 06 01:25:48 best neer in franconia Jun 06 01:25:54 beer even Jun 06 01:27:44 DocScrutinizer, tbh I was just trying to make you forget about antis... w/e it's called Jun 06 01:27:53 seems like that didn't work xD Jun 06 01:28:19 my storage is permanent Jun 06 01:28:33 mine is volatile Jun 06 01:28:44 and fatal stack errrors rage Jun 06 01:29:11 * MohammadAG should prolly start sticking to a schedule Jun 06 01:29:24 DocScrutinizer, you forgot to nuke IL today Jun 06 01:29:33 or I didn't hear the siren Jun 06 01:29:43 I tolwon't do itd ya I Jun 06 01:29:53 fsck tp Jun 06 01:30:19 * MohammadAG buys DocScrutinizer a new keyboard - you seriously need one Jun 06 01:30:21 I told ya i won't do it Jun 06 01:30:53 a laptop with switch-off/no touchpad Jun 06 01:31:12 HP it is then Jun 06 01:31:24 too expensive Jun 06 01:31:32 Alienware! Jun 06 01:31:55 oh and I find it quite ironic that some laptops have a capacitive-like button for turning off the touchpad Jun 06 01:32:12 LOL Jun 06 01:32:46 * MohammadAG needs a new laptop Jun 06 01:32:52 this one doesn't even have a drive Jun 06 01:33:04 synaptics borked. that's the problem Jun 06 01:33:18 Synaptics are cool, sometimes Jun 06 01:33:21 or X borked Jun 06 01:33:51 synclient doesn't work no more Jun 06 01:34:10 well Jun 06 01:34:13 thanks xorg Jun 06 01:34:20 changes to the linux kernel are becoming annoying Jun 06 01:34:26 1. integration of nouveau Jun 06 01:34:33 2. dumping xorg.conf Jun 06 01:35:26 lies ^ Jun 06 01:36:25 * DocScrutinizer burrps Jun 06 01:36:56 noobmokey, if you fart now, I'll kick you Jun 06 01:37:15 * MohammadAG51 sends that as a memo Jun 06 01:37:42 hay FatalSaint :) Jun 06 01:38:38 sup b-man Jun 06 01:38:41 * DocScrutinizer is going to nag neighbours with chemical brothers @ 110dB Jun 06 01:38:48 LOL Jun 06 01:39:01 rofl Jun 06 01:39:09 * SpeedEvil puts on some Prodigy. Jun 06 01:39:19 * MohammadAG51 gets the popcorn Jun 06 01:39:35 I learned a couple of months back that prodigy is really, really bad music to do manual labour to. Jun 06 01:40:00 bleh Jun 06 01:40:05 * DocScrutinizer mumbles "idiot Germans" and wanders off Jun 06 01:40:14 hmm Jun 06 01:40:20 honest question Jun 06 01:40:27 germans = nazis? Jun 06 01:40:39 Relatively few of them now. Jun 06 01:40:39 I get confused by this crap Jun 06 01:40:51 germans == idiots Jun 06 01:40:55 oh, so it's not a synonym Jun 06 01:40:57 lol Jun 06 01:41:09 The national socialist party of ~1940 is known as the Nazi party. Jun 06 01:41:13 not even a notion about what nazi means Jun 06 01:41:32 they got* Jun 06 01:41:44 During that period, being a member was pretty much required to get a good job/... Jun 06 01:41:55 sure Jun 06 01:41:55 (outside of the actual war years) Jun 06 01:42:44 nowadays you need to bash any mentioning of "jewish *" to become president Jun 06 01:43:46 any reference to jews is considered antisemitism, and it's propagated by israel Jun 06 01:43:53 i'd say obama is one of the worst presidents that we have in the united states - he even has a fake social security number and 12 aliases Jun 06 01:45:02 There is only one at a time. Jun 06 01:45:14 Thank god. Jun 06 01:45:15 "" waht ?? you don't like us to nuke civil vesels? You're antisemitic!!! "" Jun 06 01:45:19 yeah Jun 06 01:45:30 While they may all be referred to as 'president' - even when they leave the job - there is not more than one when referring to the present tense. Jun 06 01:46:06 Anyone looks good after W. Jun 06 01:46:48 http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-to-create-17-new-jobs-by-resigning-and-final,17472/ Jun 06 01:47:29 O.o Jun 06 01:47:47 * DocScrutinizer feels severe nausea, and has to check the Mk-57 in his cellar arms chamber Jun 06 01:48:00 night Jun 06 01:48:19 Night. Jun 06 01:48:43 c ya Jun 06 01:50:12 * b-man|laptop needs to leave too - c you guys tomorrow :) Jun 06 01:50:33 just as long as you don't C++ me Jun 06 01:51:16 * MohammadAG51 is off too Jun 06 01:51:21 Night peeps Jun 06 02:03:30 good morning Jun 06 02:42:23 Termana: I seem to be unable to find out about the serial console testpads :-S Jun 06 02:42:49 Termana: sorry, will take a few days longer to get an definitive answer for you Jun 06 02:43:25 DocScrutinizer, no problem :), like I said anyway - no rush Jun 06 02:49:03 Termana: http://elinux.org/N800#Status look up to date? Jun 06 02:55:28 luke-jr, Sorry for slow responses, in between doing things :P - looks mostly like thats right. Jun 06 02:55:35 But I don't know about battery charger Jun 06 02:55:45 Battery charging worked for me Jun 06 02:55:47 Termana: well, that's one of the "big 3" closed things Jun 06 02:55:56 works != merged Jun 06 02:56:10 any idea on the ???'d bits? Jun 06 02:56:39 that is, if N800 has tsl2563 and/or lp5521, and the unknown chipsets Jun 06 02:57:54 I don't own an n800 so I don't know exactly, but if you look in the code for the original kernel for n8x0 it should say (?) Jun 06 02:59:29 you're talking inuktitut? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jun 06 02:59:56 2010