**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 06 02:59:56 2010 Jun 06 02:59:57 LP5521 is the indicator LED driver chip used in N8x0 afaik Jun 06 03:00:15 nothing to do with battery charging Jun 06 03:01:26 DocScrutinizer: didn't say it did Jun 06 03:01:46 I didn't say you're talking english Jun 06 03:05:37 luke-jr, I think the LCD panel should be a Sharp LS041Y3. I don't know why whoever did it, didn't add the name, since they obviously knew it was merged :P Jun 06 03:06:05 err.. Jun 06 03:06:06 sorry Jun 06 03:06:11 It should be a Philips LPH8923 Jun 06 03:06:29 copied the wrong thing to my clipboard Jun 06 03:07:24 Unless these two lines have nothing to do with anything: Jun 06 03:07:28 +#define MIPID_VER_LPH8923 3 Jun 06 03:07:28 +#define MIPID_VER_LS041Y3 4 Jun 06 03:10:12 no no no, it is the Sharp LS041Y3 :P LPH8923 should be for 770 Jun 06 03:13:55 Termana: I did it, and the driver is generic Jun 06 03:14:31 MIPID is some kind of LCD standard Jun 06 03:17:01 luke-jr, right, the "Mobile Industry Processor Interface DBI-C/DCS specification" its in lcd_mipid.c, which says the only supported LCDs are the one in the 770 and the n8x0 one Jun 06 03:17:20 hehe Jun 06 03:19:42 hey has anyone used the utorrent client to remotely control utorrent? Jun 06 03:19:46 any good? Jun 06 03:20:56 ... Jun 06 03:21:19 I used to use Deluge but I am thinking of switching Jun 06 03:23:30 luke-jr, also, I think "Internal UART/Serial" can just be listed as OMAP-UART Controller - thats all the kernel people are calling it it seems. Its probably just something that TI have done themselves I would say. Jun 06 03:39:03 luke-jr, Also cbus' purpose can be listed as - "make life a pain in the arse" Jun 06 04:24:54 Termana: lol, it's a wiki-- edit :p Jun 06 04:26:10 hi Jun 06 04:40:22 * ZogG is away: in the army for a week Jun 06 05:50:05 so I got my replacement n900 (again) :P Jun 06 05:50:30 can get my dev environment set up now in 10.04 and actually get something done, woo Jun 06 05:50:52 woo idd Jun 06 05:50:55 anyone up? Jun 06 05:51:00 got some problems with me old n800 here Jun 06 05:52:52 if i go to gronmayer and install all the sources (without duplicating) whenever i install something now it says it cant find all these dependancies, but if i install through the console, it flatly refuses to boot. what sources are safe? Jun 06 05:53:45 only the Force is safe! Jun 06 05:53:51 wat Jun 06 05:54:30 ugh.. the Force? Jun 06 05:55:25 unfortunately "the force" isnt a repo. Jun 06 05:55:31 lol Jun 06 05:55:41 :( Jun 06 05:55:46 srsly though why is it doing this? does anyone know? Jun 06 05:55:53 the Force is everywhere! Jun 06 05:55:54 doh! Jun 06 05:55:59 i had to completely reflash it earlier so it's factory 2008 chinook or whatever Jun 06 05:56:16 is there some sort of over-the-air distupgrade i'm supposed to do? Jun 06 05:56:55 N800 hasn't been supported in over a year now Jun 06 05:57:07 ok? Jun 06 05:57:12 so what, nothing on the repo's will work? Jun 06 05:57:18 I wouldn't be surprised. Jun 06 05:57:27 that's very lame Jun 06 05:57:33 it's all very lame Jun 06 05:57:39 grab Gentoo ;) Jun 06 05:57:46 Livingroom: take what luke-jr also says with a grain of salt, he's a troll anyways Jun 06 05:57:57 oh i c Jun 06 05:58:05 Livingroom: basically, just trust Extras Jun 06 05:58:06 I'm not a troll, but I *am* speculating :) Jun 06 05:58:24 though there may be a bit of truth to that, not many people are maintaining their n800 repos still :( Jun 06 05:58:27 does anyone know what sources are safe for the N800? Jun 06 05:58:28 Trolls in WoW are imba. Jun 06 05:58:40 i know I don't... I just left ABL in a then-usable state and hope it stayed working Jun 06 05:58:46 Livingroom: basically, just trust Extras Jun 06 05:58:51 feck. Jun 06 05:59:03 don't use anything else and you'll be fine... if you need specific things, enable one repo at a time Jun 06 05:59:04 what is ABL/ Jun 06 05:59:09 Advanced Backlight Jun 06 05:59:10 Livingroom: n900 is a nice device, buy one ;) Jun 06 05:59:13 oh Jun 06 05:59:21 n900 also is $375 used Jun 06 05:59:27 yeah... Jun 06 05:59:29 and n800 works perfectly for what i need Jun 06 05:59:32 they're pretty expensive Jun 06 05:59:40 Livingroom: don't blindly buy a N900. decide what you might want it for and do research on whether it will actually fit your needs Jun 06 05:59:41 that's pretty darn good price for what it is imho Jun 06 05:59:43 tethers to my iphone through maemo-pan Jun 06 05:59:48 Livingroom: it is an unfortunate side-effect of a completely user-run distro Jun 06 06:00:06 *sigh* ok Jun 06 06:00:12 asj_: cheaper for Pandora IIRC ;) Jun 06 06:00:12 when the developers move on to a new platform (as they pretty much ALL did, to n900) their code starts to bit-rot :( Jun 06 06:00:25 Livingroom: Gentoo works, if that will do what you want Jun 06 06:00:36 what do you mean? Jun 06 06:00:48 if i wanted to haul a laptop with me i'd just use ubuntu Jun 06 06:00:49 rm_you: that's why good developers don't target specific platforms Jun 06 06:00:54 Livingroom: Gentoo on N800 Jun 06 06:01:00 somehow i doubt it will do what i want Jun 06 06:01:10 does everything Gentoo usually does Jun 06 06:01:18 luke-jr: well, we didn't have much choice with Maemo ITOS2008 Jun 06 06:01:24 rm_you: I think that's true about pretty much anything though, when a new platform comes out old support just gets dropped. mobile devices like this just have a really short cycle Jun 06 06:01:27 rm_you: granted Jun 06 06:01:29 wait, wait. didn't he just say he has an iphone? ow noes. Jun 06 06:02:02 (we can take cobol code as the example of really long life cycle systems Jun 06 06:02:03 Livingroom: what exactly *do* you want? Jun 06 06:02:05 asj_: yes but in corporate environment, they have entire departments that stick around to maintain legacy code so customers don't bitch Jun 06 06:02:21 there is no such thing in OSS Jun 06 06:02:30 rm_you: really? I don't see that in any environment Jun 06 06:02:33 because we do things for fun, not to get paid :P Jun 06 06:02:34 lol Jun 06 06:02:41 I see it at the company i work for Jun 06 06:02:50 i want what i had before i fucked it up: browser, pidgin, flipclock, duke3d, doom. i started screwing with it because i wanted a good wifi stumbler. i had one once before but it was lost in a previous crash, and when i tried to install a new one, it fucked everything all to hell. Jun 06 06:02:55 rm_you: ubuntu lts is an example of long support (too bad ubuntu is a poor server) Jun 06 06:03:10 rm_you: but support does end, look at win95/98/nt4/etc Jun 06 06:03:17 Livingroom: 3D?? Jun 06 06:03:29 luke-jr: wat? Jun 06 06:03:30 Livingroom: the KEY is not to blindly enable all of gronmayer... i did that and fscked my device up as well. just install what you need Jun 06 06:03:34 Livingroom: N800 has never done 3D Jun 06 06:03:43 luke-jr: apt-get install duke3d Jun 06 06:03:43 duke3d is Jun 06 06:03:45 err... Jun 06 06:03:48 not really 3d Jun 06 06:03:48 lol Jun 06 06:04:01 duke-nukem-3d ran on like, windows 3.1 Jun 06 06:04:08 no, it ran on DOS Jun 06 06:04:10 lol Jun 06 06:04:12 Gentoo has games-fps/duke3d Jun 06 06:04:28 there's no way i'll run gentoo on my n800. period. Jun 06 06:04:30 Livingroom: with that app list you have, you should be ok Jun 06 06:04:30 it was really dos, it was the 32 protected env that was so popular no? Jun 06 06:04:31 lol Jun 06 06:04:36 i f*cking hate desktop linux Jun 06 06:04:46 asj_: it was DOS4GW lol Jun 06 06:05:07 Livingroom: most of that is in extras, and what isn't, i doubt has much in the way of dependencies, just download and install the .deb for it Jun 06 06:05:30 Livingroom: fine, install Gentoo, qemu, and Windows XP Jun 06 06:05:38 *do not* use gronmayer unless you have to Jun 06 06:05:40 * luke-jr runs Jun 06 06:05:40 just do extras Jun 06 06:06:04 and add advanced-backlight to your app list :)\ Jun 06 06:06:09 you won't regret it! :P Jun 06 06:06:16 if linux had driver support, it would be awesome. but since there's zilch in the way of support, it sucks balls. Jun 06 06:06:27 lol is adv bl the one with the split icon? Jun 06 06:06:29 Livingroom: you're crazy Jun 06 06:06:37 Livingroom: ubuntu since like 8.xx has good driver support <_< Jun 06 06:06:38 no, i am not crazy Jun 06 06:06:41 FUCK THAT Jun 06 06:06:42 Linux supports more hardware than any other kernel to ever exist Jun 06 06:06:43 FUCKING FUCK THAT Jun 06 06:06:50 by far Jun 06 06:06:57 Livingroom: ssssh Jun 06 06:06:59 UBUNTU has SHIT support i had to spend FIVE FUCKING HOURS installing a GODDAMN SOUND DRIVER for an OFF THE FUCKING SHELF DELL Jun 06 06:07:08 and dont EVEN get me started on A2DP Jun 06 06:07:09 Ubuntu sucks. Get over it. Ubuntu != Linux Jun 06 06:07:20 a2dp can be a bitch Jun 06 06:07:26 wtf is a2dp Jun 06 06:07:32 Livingroom: bitch to dell dude Jun 06 06:07:32 bluetooth stereo sound Jun 06 06:07:41 luke-jr: a2dp is what got me into n800 dev Jun 06 06:07:52 bitch to dell MY ASS! it's frickin REALTEK Jun 06 06:07:59 bullshit realtek "HD" Jun 06 06:08:04 lol yeah Jun 06 06:08:07 Livingroom: then complain to Realtek Jun 06 06:08:09 it works fine now in 9.10+ Jun 06 06:08:15 BTW Jun 06 06:08:18 i would but they only speak thaiwanese Jun 06 06:08:18 Livingroom: no, dell decides what hardware they use, they can choose realtek or not Jun 06 06:08:29 i had the same issue Jun 06 06:08:33 asj_; i suspect it's harder than that. motherboard... Jun 06 06:08:39 though it only took me like 20 minutes to fix before 9.10 Jun 06 06:08:51 well, you probably do this often Jun 06 06:08:51 then again, i'm good with linux <_< Jun 06 06:08:52 i dont Jun 06 06:08:58 * luke-jr thinks it's ironic that Dell sells Ubuntu PCs with hardware not supported by Ubuntu. Jun 06 06:09:01 last fulltime linux i used was RH6.2 lol Jun 06 06:09:02 Livingroom: you don't think dell can tell the MB what it wants or doesn't? Jun 06 06:09:02 but yeah, 9.10+ is way better about that Jun 06 06:09:18 MB manufacturer Jun 06 06:09:21 I'd say try Arch maybe though Jun 06 06:09:26 Arch is looking like a really cool distro Jun 06 06:09:41 ubuntu afaik doesnt support any kind of realisticly usable bluetooth Jun 06 06:09:50 generally, Gentoo just gives the expectation to tweak anything and everything before it works right Jun 06 06:10:00 so tweaking is the norm, not the rare annoyance Jun 06 06:10:02 :p Jun 06 06:10:17 yeah i ran gentoo for a year and decided i wanted my life back Jun 06 06:10:25 as it took most of my freetime to make it keep working :P Jun 06 06:10:27 I'm on like year 5 Jun 06 06:10:33 i sometimes went a week without X, lol Jun 06 06:10:34 been running Gentoo almost as long as I've been married Jun 06 06:10:35 <.< Jun 06 06:10:39 year 5 of no life? Jun 06 06:10:51 though i definitely learned a lot Jun 06 06:10:56 wouldn't trade that experience away Jun 06 06:10:57 I wish gentoo would have just died when it's governance imploded Jun 06 06:11:03 i thought it DID? Jun 06 06:11:06 asj_: it did Jun 06 06:11:13 i thought gentoo was dead now Jun 06 06:11:14 but I don't have time to learn something else now Jun 06 06:11:16 :p Jun 06 06:11:21 anyway, Arch uses a portage-like system Jun 06 06:11:23 sort of Jun 06 06:11:24 Gentoo works "good enough" most of the time Jun 06 06:11:29 rm_you: oh good, it's only time that the ricers will go away then ;) Jun 06 06:11:32 i did really like portage/ebuild Jun 06 06:11:45 just not for EVERYTHING Jun 06 06:11:48 Portage/ebuild is a good start Jun 06 06:11:55 much prefer binary for 95% of my install needs Jun 06 06:11:57 I think it's time someone innovates a bit Jun 06 06:12:09 rm_you: that's what p2pcc is for Jun 06 06:12:28 yeah well, Arch is "binary based, with ebuild for good measure" or something like that Jun 06 06:12:29 somebody needs to do for linux what (fuck me for saying this) apple did for unix. Jun 06 06:12:31 (conceptual distcc + binpkg sharing cloud) Jun 06 06:12:44 i have NEVER had to compile a goddamn thing on OSX. Jun 06 06:12:44 Livingroom: ruin it? Jun 06 06:12:52 yeah OSX makes me cry inside Jun 06 06:12:53 Apple is more evil than Microsoft Jun 06 06:13:04 i'm not a fanboy, i dont own macs, only an iphone Jun 06 06:13:09 lol Jun 06 06:13:11 so i feel that i can say this: Jun 06 06:13:12 mornin ladies Jun 06 06:13:12 only fanboys own iPhones Jun 06 06:13:14 :) Jun 06 06:13:17 apple makes unix work Jun 06 06:13:24 four words i fuckin HATE to say Jun 06 06:13:26 the problem with gentoo (ubuntu has it as well), I want to go back to exactly the version I had yesterday. Let's say there's updates and I install them, somehting breaks badly I want to be able to say "put version 10.4.45 back" and voila. Of course I want a log of versions, like git reflog. Jun 06 06:13:48 asj_: that's easy Jun 06 06:14:01 FEATURES=buildpkg Jun 06 06:14:02 :) Jun 06 06:14:06 luke-jr: no it's not Jun 06 06:14:20 emerge =crap-10.4.45 -1k Jun 06 06:14:31 you can do it with apt too BTW Jun 06 06:14:35 look at your install log Jun 06 06:14:43 and do apt-cache policy to see the versions Jun 06 06:14:45 trust me, we had that problem and we tried. The problem was it wasn't the version built yesterday it was built 3mo prior and we weren't sure what was and wasn't at different versions Jun 06 06:14:46 and go back to the last one Jun 06 06:15:07 oh, you mean like how WINDOWS lets you rollback to an EARLIER STATE? Jun 06 06:15:11 rm_you: downgrading debs isn' very easy Jun 06 06:15:12 asj_: that's a problem unrelated to the one you mentioned Jun 06 06:15:13 gg linux. Jun 06 06:15:16 sure it is Jun 06 06:15:21 if you don't know what version you want, it's another matter entirely Jun 06 06:15:25 Livingroom: windows just added that, don't be too happy Jun 06 06:15:26 mainly reviewing emerge.log Jun 06 06:15:39 asj: windows XP had that Jun 06 06:15:43 oh is this a troll discussion? Jun 06 06:15:47 Livingroom: and it needed it because it fucks itself all by itself Jun 06 06:15:47 apt-get install app=versionstring Jun 06 06:16:02 Livingroom: so keep your entire filesystem in git Jun 06 06:16:02 the example from the APT howto on debian.org: Jun 06 06:16:03 :D Jun 06 06:16:03 apt-get install nautilus=2.2.4-1 Jun 06 06:16:05 rm_you: yeah, but not do that 50-60 times, it's sucky Jun 06 06:16:11 asj_: and upgrading packages that break things isnt ubuntu fucking itself? all by itself? hmmm Jun 06 06:16:13 err now Jun 06 06:16:22 Livingroom: or seriously, use btrfs or whatever the new FS with that capability is Jun 06 06:16:24 i havent had that issue since like, dapper drake Jun 06 06:16:39 rm_you: my friend has Jun 06 06:16:48 Ubuntu keeps screwing up his network stuff Jun 06 06:16:50 i really dont care, i already made it clear: i hate desktop linux. it's nowhere near viable. never has been and at this rate never will be. end of discussion. i'm not saying more; i'm simply sticking to my N800. Jun 06 06:16:52 Livingroom: no, ubuntu isn't broken, anyways Jun 06 06:17:10 Livingroom: and I already made it clear: you're crazy Jun 06 06:17:21 and I need to get to bed or I'll become crazy too Jun 06 06:17:22 rm_you: this was old unsupported software, anyways, it would be nice to downgrade nicely is basically my point Jun 06 06:17:22 night Jun 06 06:17:56 ok, hears another great exmaple of how wonderful ubuntu is: i have two monitors. guess what: NO TASKBAR for the 2nd monitor! thats right! i have to organize both monitor's windows on a single application bar! whee! nothing like wasting fucking time! Jun 06 06:18:01 s/hears/heres Jun 06 06:18:20 Livingroom: wait, how do you enable that in vista? Jun 06 06:18:24 Livingroom: complaining about mere defaults is a waste of time Jun 06 06:18:31 or am I just feeding a troll? Jun 06 06:18:33 asj_: not trying to defend ubuntu or anything at this point, just curious: is there an OS that DOES do this? for the record, pretty much 100% of the time I have used system restore in windows, it has either straight up failed, or broken things more Jun 06 06:18:41 when I had two monitors, that setup was ideal for me Jun 06 06:18:51 maybe OSX with Time Machine is closest? Jun 06 06:19:00 rm_you: that's no excuse! ;) you have a point Jun 06 06:19:02 * luke-jr goes to bed for real Jun 06 06:19:03 I have only seen that fail badly a couple times, and a few times it works Jun 06 06:19:05 time machine can fuck some things up Jun 06 06:19:31 it's like saying you don't like Toyota cars, because they don't fly... Jun 06 06:19:44 find a car that DOES fly before you start complaining :P Jun 06 06:19:54 rm_you: I don't like Toyota cars because they DO fly into other cars ;) Jun 06 06:19:59 lol Jun 06 06:20:22 (and well because my ford gets better milage than the prius) Jun 06 06:20:32 rm_you: http://www.moller.com/ - incidentally, i hate toyotas because they dont fly. Jun 06 06:20:47 rofl, moller Jun 06 06:20:52 Livingroom: do you really want to bring up Moller? Jun 06 06:20:57 lol :D Jun 06 06:21:01 because his doesn't either Jun 06 06:21:28 * Termana walks in Jun 06 06:21:32 well, one thing you have to keep in mind with any linux distro, is that it is CONSTANTLY evolving, and usually VERY QUICKLY. a distro could have a completely different usability factor after just six months, so don't try it and then say two years down the road that it sucks without trying it again... it could be WAY better. also, in some cases, much worse :P Jun 06 06:21:32 Ok, what did I miss Jun 06 06:21:33 heya Termana Jun 06 06:21:39 :D Jun 06 06:21:53 ok, we can skip moller and go back to the 50s: http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/chrisl34/2/1212332880/clare-and-sam-checking-out-the-flying-car.jpg/tpod.html Jun 06 06:22:13 Livingroom: and where is it now? Jun 06 06:22:24 (in a museum in San Mateo, CA) Jun 06 06:22:24 asj_: flying over seattle. Jun 06 06:22:31 thats one of 3 Jun 06 06:22:48 it would have made car accidents a hell of a lot me fun Jun 06 06:23:09 cars with propellers spinning is a Doing It Wrong (rm) Jun 06 06:23:14 err (tm) Jun 06 06:23:18 GAH i was in San Mateo last week and I didn't go see this!? :P Jun 06 06:23:28 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2550902895914120566# Jun 06 06:23:33 rm_you: Miller Aviation Museum Jun 06 06:24:19 Livingroom: lol! Jun 06 06:24:28 so yeah, where's your toyota now? Jun 06 06:24:32 lol Jun 06 06:24:32 it's a car with a trailer Jun 06 06:25:19 "Sec Honey, you strap the baby in and I'll bolt on the wings, won't be but a jiffy" Jun 06 06:25:24 ROFL Jun 06 06:26:00 "oh honey, be a dear and fly me to mothers house" Jun 06 06:26:12 "only if you have a parachute, bumpkin" Jun 06 06:26:13 was this bold 32 in-lbs or 32 ft-lbs, ah I'll just eyeball it Jun 06 06:26:29 lol Jun 06 06:27:40 hmm, weird, i can't find weatherbug from the ovi store on the n900. Jun 06 06:27:57 if i didnt already have an awesome phone i'd probably buy an N900 Jun 06 06:30:16 I hope you're not referring to the I.. I thingy Jun 06 06:30:23 i was indeed Jun 06 06:30:28 oh snap, die! Jun 06 06:30:34 never have i seen tighter integration of internet, and cellphone Jun 06 06:30:38 and the unlimited data helps. Jun 06 06:30:54 not to mention, oh my god, someone finally put a real goddamn browser in a phone, even if it's webkit based Jun 06 06:31:06 WHAT? Jun 06 06:31:14 they were the first, in 2007 Jun 06 06:31:35 What about umm, flash? Jun 06 06:31:57 what about it? Jun 06 06:31:59 n900 runs chrome <_< Jun 06 06:32:03 and firefox Jun 06 06:32:07 yeap Jun 06 06:32:09 and opera! Jun 06 06:32:11 hey! great! i can run a spyware laden browser on my mobile device! Jun 06 06:32:13 lol opera Jun 06 06:32:17 lolwut? Jun 06 06:32:21 spyware? :P Jun 06 06:32:23 chrome = goddamn spyware, imo Jun 06 06:32:29 oh noes Jun 06 06:32:33 googles all like "yo, this dude browsed such and such website" Jun 06 06:32:38 alright, i give up... you *must* be a troll Jun 06 06:32:42 quite frankly, they dont deserve to know that. Jun 06 06:32:46 i just dont trust them. Jun 06 06:32:51 Chrome is Open Source Jun 06 06:32:53 <_< Jun 06 06:33:03 let me guess, you have google.com 127.0.0.1 in your hosts. Jun 06 06:33:08 lolno Jun 06 06:33:11 i use google to search Jun 06 06:33:12 and that's it Jun 06 06:33:17 Livingroom: go browse the SVN and see if that code actually exists Jun 06 06:33:18 s/s/ file Jun 06 06:33:33 hint: it doesn't Jun 06 06:34:03 rm_you: opera for pc's is great. Jun 06 06:34:05 i gave you help/advice on fixing your n800, no go be a conspiracy theorist / troll somewhere else Jun 06 06:34:09 lol Jun 06 06:34:13 i took your advice too Jun 06 06:34:16 vldcnst: yeah, i use opera over firefox pretty much all the time Jun 06 06:34:16 adding once source at a time Jun 06 06:34:30 vldcnst: love speeddial / sync Jun 06 06:34:37 rm_you: I only use opera. It's not that great for maemo, but still, it's there. Jun 06 06:34:40 Opera Mobile is kinda sad now tho Jun 06 06:34:50 on n800 originally i loved it Jun 06 06:34:54 kinda, yes. but usable! Jun 06 06:34:56 but n900 browser is better now IMO Jun 06 06:35:24 Yes, imo microb is the best option atm Jun 06 06:35:31 firefox/opera/chrome = slow Jun 06 06:35:46 well not slow, but slow to use. Jun 06 06:35:50 yeah... massive props to the browser team this time around :P Jun 06 06:36:02 n800 is was kinda sad but they pulled out all the stops to make it damn nice for n900 Jun 06 06:36:51 if they made something like speed dial for it.. ugh! Jun 06 06:37:48 can sync bookmarks kinda Jun 06 06:37:53 i mean, you CAN Jun 06 06:37:57 but it isn't like speeddial Jun 06 06:38:11 i always wished i had more than a 3x3 grid tho Jun 06 06:38:35 on opera? Jun 06 06:41:11 yeah Jun 06 06:41:22 you can.. Jun 06 06:41:24 like 4x5 speeddial Jun 06 06:41:31 HOW!?!?!?!?!!111 Jun 06 06:41:43 REQUIRE Jun 06 06:41:43 right click > configure? Jun 06 06:42:13 O Jun 06 06:42:14 M Jun 06 06:42:14 F Jun 06 06:42:15 G Jun 06 06:42:27 * rm_you hugs vldcnst Jun 06 06:42:36 * vldcnst runs away. Jun 06 06:42:44 i looked and looked and looked in all the options menus Jun 06 06:42:54 who knew they hid it right in plain view like that Jun 06 06:42:59 well, besides you, obviously :P Jun 06 06:43:22 helps files are there for a reason, you know Jun 06 06:43:25 help* Jun 06 06:45:43 lol Jun 06 06:46:37 anybody tried gettin the fish module to work with irssi / xchat on the n900 ? Jun 06 06:54:14 anyone know where conboy keeps the notes? Jun 06 07:00:54 anyone tried a CP-306 stylus? http://www.uk-mobilestore.co.uk/images/97206-ebay1.gif Jun 06 07:01:01 I was thinking of getting one in blue Jun 06 07:16:07 vldcnst: they come with the 5800...work fine.... Jun 06 07:19:07 looks like a guitar plectrum Jun 06 07:19:35 !seen sneakret Jun 06 07:19:38 for what are those things? :) Jun 06 07:20:18 it's supposed to be a stylus Jun 06 07:22:03 what are the downsides of forcing a package to isntall without its dependanceis? Jun 06 07:22:57 it won't work as intented? Jun 06 07:23:10 intended* Jun 06 07:23:12 what if it calls for dependancies which ahve yet to be ported, like "perlmagick" ? Jun 06 07:24:35 I say wait until you can get that package too Jun 06 07:24:58 what if development on the package i want, which depends on the package that doesnt exsist, stopped two years ago? Jun 06 07:25:21 then start to patch it so it don't need that package Jun 06 07:25:53 how can i patch it, if i cant download it, because apt says (and i quote) "depends: perlmagick but it is not installable" Jun 06 07:26:09 RTFM? Jun 06 07:26:26 download it to your desktop fix it in the SDK and then make it a new package, put it on a repo Jun 06 07:26:48 there we go. thats what i was looking for. Jun 06 07:26:49 thank you Jun 06 07:28:39 is maemo5 what the n900 runs? Jun 06 07:29:00 yes Jun 06 07:29:10 rats Jun 06 07:29:17 anyone know of a good stumbler for n8x? Jun 06 07:31:30 i had one but accidentally lost it. sigh Jun 06 07:40:03 how do i tell if i have diablo or chinook? Jun 06 07:42:28 About product in the Control Panel? Jun 06 07:43:19 Doesn't Chinook show up as OS2007.. I think Jun 06 07:44:00 just says os2008 Jun 06 07:45:09 err... nevermind. Chinook should be OS2008 as well. 2007 was Bora Jun 06 07:45:32 Livingroom, what version number (beside OS2008) does it show Jun 06 07:45:46 mine is 5.2008.43-7 and I am on Diablo Jun 06 07:45:51 5.2008.43-7 Jun 06 07:46:04 You should be on Diablo then Jun 06 07:46:43 terrific Jun 06 08:01:04 is there anything i should backup before installing the power kernel? Jun 06 08:04:10 pigeon; if something goes wrong, you will need to flash, but you don't have to flash the emmc Jun 06 08:05:12 thanks Jun 06 08:05:51 I did it a few days after pr1.2 and it went painlessly for me Jun 06 08:06:41 cool Jun 06 08:07:38 for now the only thing i'm interested in is nat. Jun 06 08:13:31 * Trizt nods Jun 06 08:14:55 I was more looking into change the values for CPU, go down on max frequency and that it would have a lower threshold to switch to a higher frequency than default, but that didn't seem to work that well Jun 06 08:15:39 morn Jun 06 08:16:27 anyone here use kismet on the n800? Jun 06 08:19:27 o/ Jun 06 08:19:43 hi Stskeeps Jun 06 08:19:47 how goes it Jun 06 08:19:53 hey lbt Jun 06 08:20:09 hi sivang... rested now ;) Jun 06 08:20:34 lbt, in the middle of nowhere Jun 06 08:20:50 Stskeeps: good place to be.... you get the best views! Jun 06 08:21:06 note to self, never snooze an alarm when the dialog pops up before it sounds Jun 06 08:21:15 had to kill the daemon to stop it Jun 06 08:21:54 lbt: it's so bad i loose 2g connectivity regularly and the only place to get internet access is if i lean the laptop against the window on 2nd floor ;p Jun 06 08:21:57 MohammadAG51; that sounds bad, you done a bugfix? Jun 06 08:22:20 Stskeeps: life is trying to communicate with you :D Jun 06 08:23:03 lbt: shame they're speaking in a language i don't understand ;p Jun 06 08:23:14 got a sunburnt face by now though Jun 06 08:23:14 heh Jun 06 08:23:25 Trizt, in practice, someone would snooze it after the alarm sounds :) Jun 06 08:24:05 gah... nothing is working... osc lost usernames... Jun 06 08:24:23 * lbt renews kerberos credentials.... d'oh Jun 06 08:24:23 MohammadAG51; sure, but I usually wake up before the sound start, so for me it could become an issue Jun 06 08:25:30 meh Jun 06 08:25:39 RST38h, ping Jun 06 08:25:50 and alterego Jun 06 08:26:27 Morning, all Jun 06 08:26:32 hi Jaffa Jun 06 08:26:38 morning Jaffa Jun 06 08:28:07 lbt: you were exhusted? I took a long rest over the weekend Jun 06 08:28:32 actually yes, I've had a couple of restful days too Jun 06 08:28:36 lbt: I saw all the emails on my subjects but forced myself to not respond until I am less exhusted Jun 06 08:28:44 :) Jun 06 08:29:08 So hopefully, tonight I will go over all the stuff and respond and start working on the wiki page as Ville noted. Jun 06 08:29:55 yes.... I think we should be careful to split our focus though Jun 06 08:30:12 core QA, community QA and QA tools+frameworks Jun 06 08:32:52 lbt: okay, so let's decide what's mostimportant at the moment and concetrate on that? Jun 06 08:33:08 the most proximate work to do, and less requiring deep development work Jun 06 08:33:10 fro example Jun 06 08:34:20 I'm more of a "lets see what main areas we have and understand the inter-relationships a little".... then when we start to work on, eg tools, we know the scope of their eventual deployment.... Jun 06 08:34:27 Mohammad: ? Jun 06 08:35:22 RST38h, what problems did you have with ICQ? Jun 06 08:36:35 MSN Haze isn't signing in Jun 06 08:36:46 the port keeps resetting to a negative value Jun 06 08:38:00 lbt: sounds good, so for now we need to find our main areas. We'll do that. Jun 06 08:38:32 lbt: we actually already did for some parts, as on the former QWAG wiki page. Jun 06 08:38:44 *nod* Jun 06 08:39:20 actually => #meego Jun 06 08:40:40 lbt: I want to try to get approval from project BDFLs to engange community in enduser integrational testing by providing maybe devices with OS combinations on them, so before each release we'd get a non developer feedback to know of things we might overlook as developers. Jun 06 08:40:54 lbt: ubuntu laptop project was much a success following this approach. Jun 06 08:58:45 does anyone here use kismet on the n800? mine keeps trying to kill a vap and i have no idea what the hell to do Jun 06 09:08:20 MohammadAG51: telepathy-haze will not establish connection with icq servers unless your libpidgin0 is an old version Jun 06 09:08:45 MohammadAG51: The latest version of telepathy-haze will not establish icq connection at all Jun 06 09:09:13 god damn this is pissing meo ff Jun 06 09:09:18 why wont kismet work!? Jun 06 09:10:57 Livingroom: move to the bedroom. Jun 06 09:11:11 i'm actually in the bedroom right now Jun 06 09:11:15 but it keeps saying something about VAP Jun 06 09:11:22 i add a source, wlan0 and it just freaks out Jun 06 09:12:52 keeps saying failed to destroy vap operation not supported Jun 06 09:12:54 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] Jun 06 09:16:02 you can make it not create VAP Jun 06 09:16:27 i dont care what it does i just sick of this "madwifi source wlan0 failed to destroy vap wlan0::wlan0: failed to destroy vap: operation not supported Jun 06 09:16:39 what the goddamn fuck is a VAP there is NO documentation Jun 06 09:16:55 i'm entirely too tired to be messing with this Jun 06 09:17:18 RST38h, msn doesn't sign in anymore Jun 06 09:17:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vascular_adhesion_protein VAP Jun 06 09:17:52 where did you obtain that kismet from? Jun 06 09:18:02 apt-get Jun 06 09:19:39 humm, extras-devel? Jun 06 09:20:50 dont have that source installed Jun 06 09:21:20 I got my copy of kismet from extras-devel, it came preconfigured Jun 06 09:21:27 how can i check? Jun 06 09:22:06 where i got it from? Jun 06 09:22:19 I suppose under App Manager > Application cataloguse Jun 06 09:22:35 s/cataloguse/catalogues/ Jun 06 09:22:36 psycho_oreos meant: I suppose under App Manager > Application catalogues Jun 06 09:22:56 MohammadAG51: Not using MSN, but I think you are not tied to Haze with MSN, There is Butterfly. Jun 06 09:23:14 butterfly's python Jun 06 09:23:20 it crashes at each connection switch Jun 06 09:23:26 but how do i know i'm getting it from that source and not another? Jun 06 09:24:13 you can check it probably via dpkg-deb --info I suppose (under terminal) Jun 06 09:24:52 Mohammad: Then you only have one option left. Jun 06 09:27:59 fuck it i'm going to bed. Jun 06 09:32:16 RST38h, pecan? meh Jun 06 09:32:17 psycho_oreos: use the en-US spelling and you won't make that mistake ;-) Jun 06 09:32:44 fwiw, HAM will tell you where you're going to get things from Jun 06 09:32:52 it's one of the fields Jun 06 09:33:40 timeless_mbp, pfft I'm not gonna debacle over the differences :) I need to figure out how to get dpkg-repack to work properly.. hardly anyone here has given me any form of proper support Jun 06 09:33:53 RST38h, do you know which file I need, exactly? Jun 06 09:33:58 I can try to build it Jun 06 09:33:59 s/any/that/ Jun 06 09:33:59 psycho_oreos meant: timeless_mbp, pfft I'm not gonna debacle over the differences :) I need to figure out how to get dpkg-repack to work properly.. hardly thatone here has given me any form of proper support Jun 06 09:34:01 we aren't paid enough :) Jun 06 09:34:05 or find it in my archives Jun 06 09:34:10 how much are you paying us, anyway? ;-) Jun 06 09:34:11 bot fails Jun 06 09:34:16 Is it just me, or has the scrolling behavior of microB changed since PR 1.2? Jun 06 09:34:36 I'm not getting paid for my works so I don't expect to pay anything either :) I'm pretty broke otoh Jun 06 09:34:42 psycho_oreos, umm, enable sdk repo, install dpkg-repack, disable the repo Jun 06 09:35:12 MohammadAG51, its in sdk? didn't know that.. I know its available for PR1.2 but I'm not PR1.2 yet Jun 06 09:35:29 it's available for 1.2? Jun 06 09:35:29 I'm not on PR1.2 yet* Jun 06 09:35:38 that doesn't matter afaik Jun 06 09:35:52 just add the sdk repo (big flashy warning sign) Jun 06 09:35:55 well I know dpkg-dev is available for PR1.2 and few other things.. well at least in the fremantle repo Jun 06 09:36:05 ok I'll have a look for that thanks Jun 06 09:36:23 does apt have logs gdi Jun 06 09:36:43 psycho_oreos, you sure you're not looking at the sdk repo? Jun 06 09:37:09 it needs dpkg-dev, which isn't available Jun 06 09:37:15 unless you add the sdk repo Jun 06 09:37:49 MohammadAG51, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 Jun 06 09:38:02 I've added extras-devel and that main pool Jun 06 09:38:14 haven't found this sdk repo just yet Jun 06 09:38:26 psycho_oreos: did you try http://repository.maemo.org/ ? Jun 06 09:39:08 timeless_mbp, did that but dpkg-repack doesn't work right.. it needs a proper version of tar.. not the one that's symlinked to busybox Jun 06 09:39:28 oh Jun 06 09:39:29 well um Jun 06 09:39:34 "eTooBad" Jun 06 09:39:48 well afaik I got the dpkg-repack normally, but it needed all these deps which I build out of sb to get it work.. and now I'm stuck at the tar bit Jun 06 09:40:19 dpkg-repack is mainly a perl script, works across any platforms that has perl anyway :p Jun 06 09:42:43 anyone noticed a change in scrolling behavior of microB since PR 1.2? Jun 06 09:43:03 djkrikke: did you try reading bugs.maemo.org? Jun 06 09:43:50 it's not a bug actually Jun 06 09:44:27 what's the change? Jun 06 09:44:57 before 1.2, a scroll was simply a scroll, and when you stopped pushing the "down" key on the keyboard, it simply stopped Jun 06 09:45:35 Hello ! Jun 06 09:45:54 now, it keeps scrolling often half a page more after you released the key, what is annoying because on a webpage you already passed the text you'd like to read Jun 06 09:46:12 I'm looking for a graphist for making a nice icon for KhtEditor licenced under cc ... ;) Jun 06 09:46:22 and theres this weird behavior that when the page isn't fully loaded (rendered) yet, it just keeps scrolling till the end of the page, and that's really awkward Jun 06 09:47:31 why don't you think that's a bug? Jun 06 09:47:59 the last one seems to be a bug yes, the first thing doesn't seem like it Jun 06 09:48:17 but I've already looked on bugs.maemo, don't seem to find a ticket Jun 06 09:48:27 Khertan: where's the homepage? Jun 06 09:48:46 or are you using ohloh as the homepage? Jun 06 09:49:04 timeless_mbp, for khteditor ? none yet ... :) the main page is gitorious.org/khteditor :) Jun 06 09:49:20 ohloh is just a tracker which found it in gitorious :) Jun 06 09:49:23 oh about pickers? Jun 06 09:49:28 s/pickers/pictures/ Jun 06 09:49:28 timeless_mbp meant: oh about pictures? Jun 06 09:49:41 hum... let me found one Jun 06 09:49:41 s/oh about pickers/how about pictures/ Jun 06 09:49:43 timeless_mbp meant: how about pictures? Jun 06 09:50:06 timeless_mbp, http://khertan.net/screenshots/khteditor_editor.png Jun 06 09:50:37 it s look like a bit the same than PyGTKEditor ... but faster and in qt Jun 06 09:51:06 i m currently working on implementing a real time pylint checking Jun 06 09:51:11 in a plugin Jun 06 09:53:10 currently there is only syntax hilighting for python ... but i'm planning more in future Jun 06 09:53:29 MohammadAG51, ping Jun 06 09:53:59 Khertan: what dimensions? Jun 06 09:54:20 timeless_mbp, the maemo one :) Jun 06 09:54:22 64x64 Jun 06 09:58:12 once the project will be ready for maemo ... i ll work to made it working for all other supported Qt Plateforms Jun 06 09:58:47 as for the moment i use QtMaemo5 class and i cannot test it under meego as PyQt binding isn't available for meego yet ;) Jun 06 09:59:15 nor pyside Jun 06 10:00:21 Khertan: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/khteditor.png ? Jun 06 10:01:45 timeless_mbp, hum ... why not ... anyway ... let me try it on the black background of the n900 launcher Jun 06 10:02:10 Khertan: timeless@gmail.com as the commit user Jun 06 10:02:19 be nice and give credit to authors when you take their work :) Jun 06 10:02:27 (no real name) Jun 06 10:02:42 i can give you a pxm if you want it too Jun 06 10:02:54 be nice and give credit to authors when you take their work :) <<< of course ... Jun 06 10:03:03 credit in this case is git blame Jun 06 10:03:20 ohloh tracks my contributions to the world :) Jun 06 10:03:24 and my about screen will be long ... with many thanks Jun 06 10:03:50 Silly question. Linux on n8? Jun 06 10:03:52 timeless, héhé ... i 'm not a git expert, as i'm just learning on how to use it Jun 06 10:04:09 and i found the ohloh interface horrible Jun 06 10:04:15 git commit —author Jun 06 10:04:25 Khertan: the ohloh people are friendly Jun 06 10:04:33 but it did a good work at tracking project and people Jun 06 10:04:34 if you have a problem and a constructive suggestion, they'll work on it Jun 06 10:04:45 so, what's your problem w/ it? Jun 06 10:05:00 timeless_mbp, it s more a matter a preferences of the web site interface Jun 06 10:05:00 :) Jun 06 10:05:12 you could probably offer an alternate theme :) Jun 06 10:05:26 but i couldn't really help them ... look at my website : http://khertan.net/ Jun 06 10:05:27 :) Jun 06 10:05:36 i can't do better :) Jun 06 10:09:06 can you describe what you don't like? Jun 06 10:09:27 * timeless_mbp has done a bit of everything Jun 06 10:09:49 linguistics/tranlsations, ui design, graphics, theming, web dev, sql, ... Jun 06 10:09:55 timeless_mbp, :) Jun 06 10:10:46 I find it a bit too gray, lack of separation between the different sections. Jun 06 10:11:15 you mean the three columns? Jun 06 10:11:31 the three column and between the columns Jun 06 10:11:32 the header/footer seem fairly visually distinct Jun 06 10:11:48 yep the footer have a nice separations Jun 06 10:11:53 yep the footer have a nice separation Jun 06 10:12:38 i found that it s fade globaly ... lack of an identity Jun 06 10:12:55 and opposite to ohloh ... i really like the new gitorious theme : http://gitorious.org/ Jun 06 10:14:18 hrm, they use faint ruled lines Jun 06 10:14:35 and colors... Jun 06 10:14:52 it does work Jun 06 10:15:25 sadly, i don't like gitorious's colors Jun 06 10:15:36 (or maemo's for that matter!) Jun 06 10:17:06 n900 gets hot in the sun Jun 06 10:17:41 pupnik: mine hit 57C Jun 06 10:17:43 surprised it still works Jun 06 10:17:50 In the baking scottish sun. Jun 06 10:18:00 SpeedEvil: got a temp commandline? Jun 06 10:18:11 proc/smth? Jun 06 10:18:12 sort-of. Jun 06 10:18:15 timeless_mbp, it s just a matter of personnal preferences, i know :) Jun 06 10:18:23 anyway, must go on ... Jun 06 10:18:23 bye Jun 06 10:18:25 pupnik: Do you have the power kernel installed? Jun 06 10:18:29 yea Jun 06 10:18:56 pupnik: if so, modprobe bq27x00_battery - and look around /sys/class/power/battery/temperature - or something like that Jun 06 10:19:35 psycho_oreos, pong Jun 06 10:20:20 MohammadAG51, still looking for that sdk repo, do you know if dpkg-rebuild would work? Jun 06 10:20:30 not sure Jun 06 10:20:34 and also if its for armel platform Jun 06 10:20:37 timeless_mbp: hehe re the colors Jun 06 10:20:42 http://repository.maemo.org Jun 06 10:20:43 hmm damn :/ Jun 06 10:20:54 tools/sdk < components Jun 06 10:21:12 Nokia-N900-51-1:/sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0# cat temp Jun 06 10:21:12 48 Jun 06 10:21:54 That's the 'motherboard' temperature pretty much Jun 06 10:22:24 MohammadAG51: He, now you've given me the link the responders on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9089 request, e.g. a point and cliky way to have Extras-Devel enabled :) Jun 06 10:22:25 Bug 9089: Upgrading Maemo itself (nokia official recommended upgrade) failed with "no enough space" on target device. Jun 06 10:22:33 ty SpeedEvil for showing me to read n900 battery temperature with power kernel with the commandline "cat sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/temp" Jun 06 10:22:49 np Jun 06 10:22:56 SpeedEvil knows a lot about the hardware hacking :) Jun 06 10:23:07 and is a brit to add to his qualities :) Jun 06 10:23:08 Remember to thank me by clicking the 'Transfer $1000 via paypal' button next to my nick. Jun 06 10:23:12 hehe Jun 06 10:23:24 that was for google so i can find it again if i need it Jun 06 10:23:30 :) Jun 06 10:23:54 SpeedEvil: going to be in London coming September? I know I'm gonna enjoyr the royal docks area again :) Jun 06 10:23:58 nope. Jun 06 10:24:17 Well - it's vanishingly unlikley at the moment. Jun 06 10:24:40 SpeedEvil: you're not in Britian right now? Jun 06 10:24:59 sivang: I'm at my home in Scotland. Jun 06 10:25:05 sivang, devel isn't somewhere I'm allowed to point users to Jun 06 10:25:11 ~extras-devel Jun 06 10:25:15 read the warning Jun 06 10:25:21 sivang: It's maybe 500 miles away from london, and I have no working car, and no funds for transport anyway. Jun 06 10:25:21 fu infobot Jun 06 10:25:32 ~devel Jun 06 10:25:35 from memory, extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel Jun 06 10:26:04 extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel Jun 06 10:26:15 is there a reason why we can't see CPU temp SpeedEvil ? Jun 06 10:26:24 pupnik: no sensor Jun 06 10:27:22 wow Jun 06 10:29:22 there is a sensor near to the battery though Jun 06 10:32:11 Anyone ever done glEnableClientState(GL_COLOR_ARRAY)??? Jun 06 10:32:15 yes, see above discussion Jun 06 10:32:29 ? Jun 06 10:33:30 -> MohammadAG51 Jun 06 10:33:34 sorry RST38h Jun 06 10:33:47 * SpeedEvil needs to use his colon more. Jun 06 10:34:08 SpeedEvil: ...and use the right end! =) Jun 06 10:34:40 RST38h: Indeed. Jun 06 10:34:43 MohammadAG51, no luck with sdk; web address: http://repository.maemo.org - distribution: fremantle - components: tools/sdk Jun 06 10:35:10 btw I actually meant dpkg-repack not dpkg-rebuild lol, oh well.. Jun 06 10:35:38 still am in search of a proper tar not busybox's version Jun 06 10:35:53 apt-get install gnu-tar Jun 06 10:36:03 psycho_oreos, Jun 06 10:36:11 repository.maemo.org Jun 06 10:36:18 and that will tell you its installed, stuff provided would be /bin/tar linked to /bin/busybox Jun 06 10:36:20 scroll down to repositories for maemo sdks Jun 06 10:36:25 add the links there Jun 06 10:36:46 psycho_oreos, read the description, you have to call it with gtar Jun 06 10:36:49 http://maemo.org/packages/view/tar-gnu/ Jun 06 10:36:51 a "g" prefix Jun 06 10:36:55 MohammadAG51, ahh! I'm blind Jun 06 10:37:00 or /usr/bin/gnu/tar Jun 06 10:37:11 It's now in extras psycho_oreos Jun 06 10:37:24 hmm bum, well I might as well symlink that across Jun 06 10:39:32 SpeedEvil, oh, didn't see that you talked about it Jun 06 10:39:37 i use cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input Jun 06 10:39:46 stock-ish kernel Jun 06 10:41:55 MohammadAG51: That is reported to be deprecated by TI Jun 06 10:42:12 SpeedEvil: ah well, I'm going to use some of my important savings to go there , gonna need a flight for that. Jun 06 10:42:21 SpeedEvil: but Scotland is better anwyays so... ;) Jun 06 10:42:43 SpeedEvil, which means? Jun 06 10:42:51 MohammadAG51: It may not work at all Jun 06 10:42:56 It says '-40' for me Jun 06 10:43:06 sometimes it does that Jun 06 10:43:13 which is above 40 i think Jun 06 10:43:51 says 21 here Jun 06 10:44:37 It's officially 'do not use, it's broken, do not rely on it' Jun 06 10:44:54 I forgot to save the link saying this on the TI forums though Jun 06 10:45:17 no worries Jun 06 10:46:37 woot! thanks a bunch MohammadAG51 && SpeedEvil, dpkg-repack works! (though I don't know if I have contributed anything useful apart from building dpkg-dev from sb and grabbed a few other deps through the fremantle pool, if only there's a way to add the pool, it'll be nice) Jun 06 10:47:07 psycho_oreos, you have an sdk? Jun 06 10:47:20 just cat /etc/apt/sources.list and add the sdk ones Jun 06 10:47:33 don't do apt-get upgrades/dist-upgrades though Jun 06 10:48:43 MohammadAG51, I did add those sdk as you mentioned but I dunno which solved the issue of the dpkg-repack, whichever way, it sure would have saved me from trying to painfully compile gnu-tar from debian sources and to try to get that to work when I've already got gnu-tar package named as gtar (I failed that, yes I'll happily admit) Jun 06 10:49:42 though the pool stuff I meant were like in repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 free nokia-binaries non-free .. I tried addding those but of course that failed due to missing packages.gz as such Jun 06 10:49:47 MohammadAG51: right, yes, the warning is loud and clear :) Jun 06 10:50:33 psycho_oreos, you don't add repos like that :) Jun 06 10:50:44 cat /etc/apt/sources.list Jun 06 10:51:01 add the lines to the respective sources.list file on your N900 Jun 06 10:52:01 MohammadAG51, yeah that's the normal debian way :) I've done that previously but ran into other issues which made me instead put all of them into app manager as individual entries (and yes needless to say, painfully) Jun 06 10:52:15 ran into a few out of disk space and stuff Jun 06 10:52:36 oh Jun 06 10:52:54 move /var/lib/apt to /opt and symlink it Jun 06 10:52:58 I've now moved /var/cache/apt and /var/lib/apt to /home/user/MyDocs instead.. and symlinked them Jun 06 10:52:59 yeah Jun 06 10:53:15 i wouldn't do that Jun 06 10:53:19 MyDocs is VFAT Jun 06 10:53:26 didn't know where to trace the root of the problem so I used strace Jun 06 10:53:53 yeah it doesn't preserve permissions, I was thinking of putting it into /home/user directory but that only has 2GB Jun 06 10:54:13 what I do need is a nice 16GB SDHC card :) make that ext3 and its win-win for me Jun 06 10:54:49 * MohammadAG51 has that Jun 06 10:55:03 but my lists are on opt Jun 06 10:55:12 only the archives are on the mmc Jun 06 10:55:26 (easier backup restoration with apt-get instead of ham) Jun 06 10:55:26 don't make me jealous lol :) I was looking at the price for one the other day when I had to pay a few bills, really ticked me the price Jun 06 10:55:48 * MohammadAG51 wants a 32GB uSD Jun 06 10:55:55 it's a wallet-breaker though Jun 06 10:56:09 was thinking of splitting it up but that would be a pain to maintain.. the other way to look at it is to resize /home/user/MyDocs.. but I've looked at sfdisk and am not daring to mess with it, too confusing Jun 06 10:56:48 lol 32GB? :D~ Jun 06 10:56:58 sure, why not xD Jun 06 10:57:02 £100 though Jun 06 10:57:40 with that you could easily leave /home/user/MyDocs as vfat and store all music and stuff on the ext3 lol Jun 06 10:58:09 I did that. Jun 06 10:58:19 I simply tarred up mydocs Jun 06 10:58:23 onto /home Jun 06 10:58:32 I only have 2GB MMC on mine for now (I got it for free so I can't complain) Jun 06 10:58:33 then pulled the back cover - to unmount mydocs Jun 06 10:58:49 Then fdisked to resize mydocs to 4G Jun 06 10:58:57 then mkfs.vfat'd it Jun 06 10:59:03 untarred Jun 06 10:59:15 made a new ext2fs on a new partition Jun 06 10:59:19 works for me Jun 06 10:59:46 (note - this was some time ago, I may have forgotten crucial steps, if you manage to break anything, I reserve the right to point and laugh) Jun 06 10:59:53 yeah not too daring to try sfdisk, its doable I acknowledge that but just had a look at sfdisk and it momentarily turned me off when I was focused on trying to get PR1.2 to work (of course before that, backups, including stuff I got from ovi store) Jun 06 11:00:33 MohammadAG51: also. Jun 06 11:00:40 SpeedEvil, pulling the back cover only unmounts the uSD Jun 06 11:00:55 I only have my uSD as ext3 Jun 06 11:00:59 MohammadAG51: On temperature - I tried md5sum /dev/zero for 10 mins. No rise from 17 Jun 06 11:01:00 err Jun 06 11:01:14 s/back cover/plug into USB as mass storage/ Jun 06 11:01:19 :) Jun 06 11:02:12 SpeedEvil, what's /dev/zero? Jun 06 11:02:34 just outputs 0 Jun 06 11:02:37 afaik Jun 06 11:03:06 it doesn't load the CPU much Jun 06 11:03:15 kind of good for writing 0's across disks, or for speed testing Jun 06 11:03:25 Any idea where the temp sensor in on the battery? Jun 06 11:03:37 afaik it's next to it Jun 06 11:03:51 not part of the battery itself Jun 06 11:04:03 * MohammadAG51 pings SpeedEvil - he knows better Jun 06 11:04:03 Yeap, but where? :) Jun 06 11:05:26 vldcnst: It's not Jun 06 11:05:34 vldcnst: it's on the motherboard Jun 06 11:05:52 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter Jun 06 11:06:58 oh, snap. So it's not only a sensor. Jun 06 11:09:38 How can I see the usage of the MyDocs partition? It doesn't appear in df -h here Jun 06 11:10:16 rinsmaster, it should. however, df [directoryname] will do df on the device the directory is on. Jun 06 11:11:31 Hm, that's weird, it's giving me this: Jun 06 11:11:37 /dev/mmcblk0p2 2.0G 1.8G 39.9M 98% /home Jun 06 11:12:01 you ran out of space on home Jun 06 11:12:04 can somebody kick marlboro^kancil? he's sending me links to get-rich-quick schemes in /msgs Jun 06 11:12:17 marlboro^kancil: i want to get rich quick as well Jun 06 11:12:34 jacekowski, but isn't /home a different partition from /home/user/MyDocs (the 32GB one?), I did 'df -h /home/user/MyDocs/' and it gave me that ^ Jun 06 11:12:47 Rinsmaster: just do df -h Jun 06 11:12:53 without options Jun 06 11:13:07 Yes, then it doesn't list the 30GB partition Jun 06 11:13:09 anyone else had spam? Jun 06 11:13:18 Rinsmaster: fdisk -l Jun 06 11:13:24 i got it by joining the channel, as far as i can tell Jun 06 11:13:25 Rinsmaster: do you have the USB cable connected? Jun 06 11:13:30 hmm no Jun 06 11:13:47 fragment, oh, that's probably it Jun 06 11:14:09 yeah, same second exactly Jun 06 11:14:54 yeah, happens any time i join the channel Jun 06 11:15:12 any ops feel like /parting and /joining then kicking him please? Jun 06 11:16:52 which package on N900 manage cellphone to call or recieve calls? Jun 06 11:17:08 BCMM: you're not meaning chanserv are you? Jun 06 11:17:16 oh Jun 06 11:17:32 SpeedEvil: no, marlboro^kancil Jun 06 11:17:56 BCMM: had spam as well Jun 06 11:18:00 SpeedEvil: with "Clik here to get money --> [redacted] or [redacted]" Jun 06 11:18:08 * SpeedEvil wants money! Jun 06 11:18:14 How dare you redact those links! Jun 06 11:18:15 :) Jun 06 11:18:20 (there were URLs there, but i don't wanna help him spam dodgy site) Jun 06 11:18:33 s/site/sites Jun 06 11:18:49 i can't remember, who does the kicking around here? Jun 06 11:19:00 where all that money comes from.. Jun 06 11:19:12 sx0n: nigeria. Jun 06 11:19:22 they must be rich Jun 06 11:19:27 Cornerstone of the modern internet economy is nigeria. Jun 06 11:19:32 well .. the positive thing is he is spamming in an encoding i can read .. rather then cryptic cyrillic characters ;P Jun 06 11:20:37 which package on N900 manage cellphone to call or recieve calls? Jun 06 11:21:13 telepathy, asking once is enough Jun 06 11:21:17 or which daemon listen to recive calls? Jun 06 11:40:12 hi Jun 06 11:40:44 is something up with python-minimal on fremantle1.2 ? Jun 06 11:40:55 can't install anything that depends on python Jun 06 12:21:37 Random. I have an image (of bits of a n900 as it happens). I want to click on this image, and draw lines round different areas on it. I then want to export those areas as lists of points forming irregular polygons in ascii form. In order to use it to create an imagemap. Thoughts on software? Jun 06 12:22:58 <_llll_> inkscape Jun 06 12:23:03 aha Jun 06 12:23:08 kimagemapeditor also Jun 06 12:23:24 I was actually contemplating porting that last night .. Jun 06 12:23:39 inkscape? Jun 06 12:23:48 No, KImageMapEditor :) Jun 06 12:24:03 I was looking through the ubuntu software centre for ideas of apps. Jun 06 12:24:21 And for some reason, I thought about doing that one. But then scrapped the idea :P Jun 06 12:54:21 Anyone know how to get a GtkTreeView to have a blue info column, like the label on the "Profile" button? Jun 06 12:54:29 top Jun 06 12:54:39 doh Jun 06 13:05:03 Jaffa: uh, got a screen or steps so i could see what you mean? :D Jun 06 13:17:11 frals: Click status bar; look at blue text under main label of "Profile" button. Is that a named style I can use in a GtkCellRendererText? Jun 06 13:18:20 hmmm, another interesting thing is Jun 06 13:18:42 Jaffa: the regular 'value' of the button (General/Silent in this case)? Jun 06 13:18:50 that BME is reading register 0x3b from chip 0x6b ( charger ) Jun 06 13:19:02 on startup, and there is nothing about that register in datasheet Jun 06 13:19:27 but content is same as 0x03 Jun 06 13:19:37 frals: Yeah Jun 06 13:20:07 hmm, it looks like it's using only lower bytes Jun 06 13:20:11 frals: Ideally something like I could put in 'style' of http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtkcellrenderer.html#properties-gtkcellrenderer Jun 06 13:22:40 recon it should be a predef styled, im using cellrendertext and setting it markup= and using pango markup to do it though, give me a min Jun 06 13:23:18 frals: Ah cool, that'd work too :-) Jun 06 13:24:23 http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/blobs/master/controller_gtk.py#line113 and http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/blobs/master/fmms_gui.py#line319 Jun 06 13:25:06 not sure exactly which attribute to fetch but can probably find out Jun 06 13:25:41 i suspect its 'ActiveTextColor' Jun 06 13:26:00 yeah, 'ActiveTextColor' is the blueish one Jun 06 13:26:06 (on nseries theme) Jun 06 13:26:17 frals: next question then - how do I set a PannableArea to take up an optimal size, rather than just doing set_size_request(BIG NUM, BIG NUM) Jun 06 13:26:21 frals: ta Jun 06 13:27:03 Jaffa: set_size_request(gtk.CHILDREN_MAX) or something, cant remember the constant, sec :) Jun 06 13:27:54 set_size_request_policy(hildon.SIZE_REQUEST_CHILDREN) Jun 06 13:28:19 not sure if its exactly what you are after thou :) Jun 06 13:30:55 frals: thanks again Jun 06 13:31:05 np :) Jun 06 13:50:23 Hi there. My n900 does not start. It shoows nokia logo on white background at the beginning then goes dark for a little while and restarts to show nokia logo again. it does it in infinite loop and never gets to those progress bar dots. permanently broken? Jun 06 13:52:06 crs: Did you flash it? Jun 06 13:53:14 crs: I mean, once i tried flash and flashing failed at start. It just did reboot and reboot + vibrated. Jun 06 13:53:22 SpeedEvil: you are dealing with jrbme? Jun 06 13:53:31 crs: If you can, try change battery. Jun 06 13:53:34 jacekowski: I'm peripherally involved. Jun 06 13:53:49 so who's doing it? Jun 06 13:54:02 * SpeedEvil points at DocScrutinizer. Jun 06 13:54:30 https://garage.maemo.org/forum/?group_id=1667 Jun 06 13:54:49 iPeter-: I did flash it but was working for long time afterwards... so i doubt this is a cause Jun 06 13:55:25 crs: Well try to change battery. This solved my problem.. Jun 06 13:55:27 crs: Take out the battery, and unplug it for 30s. Replug into charger, plug battery in. Does it start properly? Jun 06 13:57:27 nope, still the same SpeedEvil. ;/ Jun 06 13:57:59 Do you own a multimeter? Jun 06 13:58:17 yes Jun 06 13:58:25 I'd measure the battery voltage Jun 06 13:58:43 If it's >3.7V - then flash it. Jun 06 13:58:59 If not - then it may be boot looping as it's not charged properly. Jun 06 13:59:18 I've seen that, though not fully understood the cause. Jun 06 13:59:29 Another thing to try might be to try charging from a PC. Jun 06 14:01:31 frals: working perfectly, thanks: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30863507@N02/4674953430/ Jun 06 14:01:51 Jaffa: great, np :) Jun 06 14:03:46 [timeless@ tmp2]$ tail -n1 dogenx.sh |perl -pne 's/ /\n/g'|grep -n $(ls -l /proc/32139/fd/5|perl -pne 's/.*xref.//') Jun 06 14:03:46 673:libXp-1.0.0 Jun 06 14:03:53 progress the hard way :( Jun 06 14:04:14 Jaffa: how do i add an account? Jun 06 14:06:40 which "spotify-cient" works best on n900...? qtify, yaspot ? Jun 06 14:07:33 timeless_mbp: All the accounts available will be shown, and the tick used to indicate if they're enabled or not. Jun 06 14:07:58 timeless_mbp: Since we're talking about ~6 services and it reduces the number of screens to be written Jun 06 14:08:30 Jaffa: ah Jun 06 14:08:36 i can't import/sync from two gmails? Jun 06 14:08:48 evil, who me? Jun 06 14:09:57 s/who/who,/ Jun 06 14:09:58 timeless_mbp meant: evil, who, me? Jun 06 14:14:46 timeless_mbp: No; not at the moment. Jun 06 14:15:04 timeless_mbp: ATM there's enough wholesale refactoring going on ;-) Jun 06 14:17:21 ok Jun 06 14:29:08 iPeter-: battery should be about full i think Jun 06 14:31:59 * noobmonkey blinks Jun 06 14:33:27 is the maemo sdk installer hosed? Jun 06 14:34:12 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/222556/ Jun 06 14:34:20 I made sure to run with with sudo, Jun 06 14:34:24 and all sources were available Jun 06 14:34:30 and this used to work at home. Jun 06 14:34:44 crs: Hmm odd, then i cant help but i dont think its really broken Jun 06 14:37:25 SpeedEvil: i tried to turn it on with cable pluged to the computer - no improvement. I have measured the voltage. It is 3.9V so battery is OK, right? Jun 06 14:37:54 .flash Jun 06 14:37:59 :) Jun 06 14:38:11 !reflash Jun 06 14:38:16 How wa it? Jun 06 14:39:30 ~flashing Jun 06 14:39:39 Ok - battery should be fine for booting Jun 06 14:39:42 start flasher Jun 06 14:39:50 wait for it to say 'no device found - waiting' Jun 06 14:39:53 somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jun 06 14:40:02 plug USB cable into phone, then plug battery in Jun 06 14:40:36 let me install flasher first. Jun 06 14:40:53 and I ant see 1.2 for uk on http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_UK_variant_firmware Jun 06 14:40:59 Cant* Jun 06 14:41:13 but wouldn't freeing up space on rootfs enable to do it OTA ? Jun 06 14:52:46 yaaay Jun 06 14:52:51 reflashing seems to be working :) Jun 06 14:52:54 it works! :) Jun 06 14:52:57 yaaay Jun 06 14:53:03 graz Jun 06 14:53:05 (: Jun 06 14:53:41 OK.what had happen is... i droped it :( Jun 06 14:54:28 sivang: you need more space for ota than it's possible Jun 06 14:58:27 hmm, backup app says that there is no memory ard inserted :( Jun 06 15:00:49 and I have no mount points except for /, /tmp, /var and /dev ;/ Jun 06 15:04:29 yep, I cannot see that 32G memory space in settings/memory :( Jun 06 15:05:58 frals, are you on? :) Jun 06 15:06:26 aye Jun 06 15:06:39 SpeedEvil: Thanks for hint with reflashing phone, it booted up but I cannot see internal memory now :( Jun 06 15:07:13 w000p Jun 06 15:09:35 and it doesnt go into mass storage mode :( Jun 06 15:10:18 crs: Reflash again? :D Jun 06 15:12:16 "Leaving Nokia for life if no Flash 10.1 for N900" - Seriously, I knew the forums would get bad with the N900, it just keeps suprising me at how bad :( Jun 06 15:16:29 I am currently running 3.2010.02.8, my n900 is telling me to update to 10.2010,19-1.002, so I try to do it OTA, but the app manager on the phone says you need to use the nokia software updater, so I fire up a window 7 machine and install the software and the software tells me that 3.2010.02.8 is the latest, why? Is this because I am using AT&T and they did not permit the update as per help files? Jun 06 15:16:33 crs: did you forget to remove the usb cable? Jun 06 15:16:44 if it's plugged into your computer, your 30gb of mass storage are exported to it Jun 06 15:16:50 instead of available to your n900 Jun 06 15:17:04 I know Jun 06 15:17:10 able is unpluged ;( Jun 06 15:17:14 kleetus: If you're on AT&T, EDGE will be too slow to update over your data connection Jun 06 15:17:21 try doing it over WiFi Jun 06 15:18:19 microlith: I did, but the screen about making a backup always says to use the software updater Jun 06 15:19:16 kleetus: open up the application manager and post the contents of the log up on pastebin Jun 06 15:19:28 did you happen to run any "optification" scripts or somesuch? Jun 06 15:19:53 no, i have no heard of those scripts, so i doubt it Jun 06 15:19:59 ok Jun 06 15:20:01 kleetus: so err Jun 06 15:20:16 odd Jun 06 15:20:36 kleetus: what's the url you used to get the software updater, and what version is it? Jun 06 15:21:25 not sure the url, but it was from the nokia site, but the version is 2.5.2 Jun 06 15:21:36 timeless_mbp: still cant see it, even after reboot and to having usb connected :( Jun 06 15:21:58 crs: i'd rather you boot w/o the usb cable connected... Jun 06 15:22:07 timeless_mbp: I did Jun 06 15:22:35 pastebin the output of 'mount' from X Terminal Jun 06 15:25:18 I cant use browser on the phone :( Jun 06 15:25:40 it turns on and remains white after I type an address and press enter :( Jun 06 15:26:07 getting errors about memory Jun 06 15:26:08 is softupd.log the correct log file? Jun 06 15:26:12 DocScrutinizer: http://stuff.moritzg.ch/Screenshot-20100606-172544.png toggling enabled :) Jun 06 15:26:36 like Getting started app says it wont start due to low memory Jun 06 15:29:08 ok Jun 06 15:29:28 manually list the volumes listed by 'df -h' from X Terminal Jun 06 15:30:32 Shapeshifter: i can't imagine that 'xx:xx:' is a common or useful way to write a time and a colon Jun 06 15:31:15 it's the title. hence the trailing : Jun 06 15:31:23 it's not part of the time. Jun 06 15:31:41 but you're right it looks a bit odd. Jun 06 15:31:46 timeless_mbp: I have: rootfs, ubi0:rootfs, tmpfs mounted three times Jun 06 15:32:14 cannot see that big 32G memory at all Jun 06 15:32:16 n810 just needs external hard drive to serve up audio Jun 06 15:32:31 In the email Settings, Do I need to still enable "Update automatically", if Nokia Messaging is pushing email? Jun 06 15:32:48 because it specifies a time interval Jun 06 15:33:06 timeless_mbp: and MyDocs is empty but files should be there Jun 06 15:34:27 Shapeshifter: try using a ',' instead Jun 06 15:35:03 crs: try opening file manager Jun 06 15:35:19 ideally you should be able to trigger a disk check of sorts Jun 06 15:35:26 although, i don't remember the rules Jun 06 15:35:41 need to install that pakage which will allow me to do root operations first Jun 06 15:37:15 no Jun 06 15:37:27 file manager has the ability to do a certain kind of disk repair on its own Jun 06 15:37:54 crs: rootsh ? Jun 06 15:38:24 yep Jun 06 15:38:59 it says: sh: cannot fork Jun 06 15:39:08 something is really wrong here :( Jun 06 15:39:31 closed apps and it went ok Jun 06 15:39:55 crs: what third party software do you have? Jun 06 15:40:39 nothing now Jun 06 15:40:42 flashed it Jun 06 15:40:47 ok Jun 06 15:41:00 I have no /dev/mmc* devices :( Jun 06 15:41:40 maybe you unmounted /? Jun 06 15:41:49 somehow Jun 06 15:43:07 i don't think /dev/mmc* is the actual device label Jun 06 15:43:29 MohammadAG51: mount says that rootfs is mounted on / Jun 06 15:43:37 it should be /dev/mmcblk0p1 Jun 06 15:43:50 reboot? Jun 06 15:43:51 check dmesg Jun 06 15:43:56 assuming you haven't done that Jun 06 15:44:07 MohammadAG51: i have, few times :( Jun 06 15:44:12 microlith: this is all that is in the application manager's log..."hildon-application-manager 2.2.52.2" Jun 06 15:44:40 timeless_mbp: * means everythin so I have nothing what starts with /dev/mmc... Jun 06 15:45:04 * MohammadAG51 would sync Jun 06 15:45:37 crs: so, what's in dmesg? Jun 06 15:46:18 timeless_mbp: what should I be looking for? Would you please do: dmesg|grep mmc and paste it here Jun 06 15:47:51 there should be a line that talks about /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh Jun 06 15:48:27 and there are lines about mmci and mmc1 and mmcblk0 Jun 06 15:49:12 o/ lcuk Jun 06 15:49:56 timeless_mbp: that script indeed tries to mount those filesystems, but I do not have those devices at all :( Jun 06 15:50:12 I cant see /dev/mmcblk0p1 Jun 06 15:50:24 have you dropped it or something? Jun 06 15:50:32 MohammadAG51: yep :( Jun 06 15:50:46 from less then one meter Jun 06 15:51:04 and this happened right after it? Jun 06 15:51:19 heya MohammadAG51 Jun 06 15:51:51 afterwards phone didnt boot. i have reflashed it and it boots really nicely but i cant see internal memory (32G bin one). Jun 06 15:52:30 what does reflashing the eMMC do? Jun 06 15:52:39 havent tried it too Jun 06 15:52:53 I have my backup there, and there only :( Jun 06 15:56:07 seems like osso_notes does not save your note on exiting if you edit an already existing file, it does instead save it in a temporary file and then save it in the original location if you open it again. am i the only one who finds this quite odd? Jun 06 15:59:46 does anyone know what package the "Slide to Unlock" screen is in? Jun 06 16:00:18 Any ideas how can I recover mmcblk partitions without flashing eMMC? Jun 06 16:00:27 here is the solution to my issue...this is so this channel can index it...http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-mobile-81/problems-updating-my-nokia-n900-to-maemo-5-10-2010-19-1-203-1-a-811754/ Jun 06 16:01:40 there's already a wiki entry with troubleshooting ideas Jun 06 16:01:50 crs, i'm not even sure if it can be recovered using software Jun 06 16:02:09 the solder points may be broken Jun 06 16:03:38 ;/ Jun 06 16:03:51 I am trying to reflash it again Jun 06 16:04:10 if it wont work i will reflash emmc Jun 06 16:05:27 crs if you can SEE the low lvel data area, you can potentially copy that off with dd and attempt to mount/recover using tools on desktop linux Jun 06 16:05:55 but if linux cannot even see that area theres nothing that can be done Jun 06 16:06:17 lcuk: I have no /dev/mmc* at all. Jun 06 16:06:58 yeah last time i had something corrupt (was on my 810) i had the /dev items but it wouldnt mount upto /mount/ Jun 06 16:07:20 so i could dd the entire area off and did some offline fixing Jun 06 16:07:51 lcuk: Yes, but it seems like n900 cannot see the device itself ;/ Jun 06 16:08:59 lcuk: Any ideas before I try reflashing eMMC? Jun 06 16:10:52 crs, again it could be a hardware problem Jun 06 16:11:07 flashing the eMMC might fail to start Jun 06 16:11:13 crs so you dropped device and nothing is showing on the /dev partition, moh is right and it could be physical damage Jun 06 16:11:15 frals, Think i have fixed it! Jun 06 16:11:40 hey MohammadAG51 (Lol! 1?!) - hi lcuk ! welcome back Jun 06 16:11:45 but i find sometimes just waiting :) turn off device, take battery and cables out and go have a cup of tea Jun 06 16:11:49 noobmonk3y, words can't describe how you popped into the middle of the convo Jun 06 16:11:55 then come back and retry before flashing Jun 06 16:11:58 lol! Jun 06 16:12:20 * noobmonk3y has put healthcheck on a diet! Jun 06 16:12:22 wohoooooooooo Jun 06 16:12:44 noobmonk3y, heya, saw your tweets that you are streamlining and organising healthcheck Jun 06 16:12:45 lcuk: tried that few times :( Jun 06 16:12:46 noobmonk3y, 51, as in -51, as in RX-51, you n00b! Jun 06 16:12:51 lol fairynugg Jun 06 16:12:52 One other person has come up with a failed mmc Jun 06 16:12:57 and yeah lcuk, it's getting there Jun 06 16:12:57 with the same symptoms Jun 06 16:13:07 crs then logic is pushing you towards trying reflash emmc Jun 06 16:13:15 yep Jun 06 16:13:16 bubt be aware, that might not work either .. Jun 06 16:13:18 Though it's actually going to be lots worse with 1.2 Jun 06 16:13:20 all info functions are now in a separate py file, and its starting to look a lot better and easier to manage Jun 06 16:13:21 * MohammadAG51 remembers that as well Jun 06 16:13:27 as 1.2 with a mmc will be largely broken. Jun 06 16:13:31 with no mmc Jun 06 16:13:41 yay Jun 06 16:13:47 SpeedEvil: i have 1.2 at the moment Jun 06 16:13:48 sure SpeedEvil but that was the same for pr1.0 too Jun 06 16:13:55 just more components now Jun 06 16:13:57 i can finally start learning python using proper clean examples Jun 06 16:14:01 * noobmonk3y has managed to bugger the gps location part though lol Jun 06 16:14:11 lcuk: With 1.0 it will 'sort-of' work for many things. Jun 06 16:14:14 MohammadAG51, if GIT was easy to use i'd show yo uknow Jun 06 16:14:14 * lcuk managed to parse 3 things last night Jun 06 16:14:22 but after flashing, cant remember how to get it back on lol Jun 06 16:14:26 lcuk: With 1.2 it won't really work at all. AIUI Jun 06 16:14:27 SpeedEvil: do you think I have other option then reflashinig eMMC? Jun 06 16:14:38 yeah SpeedEvil agreed Jun 06 16:14:41 noobmonk3y, man git Jun 06 16:14:43 crs: I would try sfdisk - and see what it shows Jun 06 16:14:56 crs, Nokia Care Center Jun 06 16:14:57 i am still interested in full boot from MMC for fremantle Jun 06 16:15:01 i know its possible Jun 06 16:15:14 I doubt they'll resolder it though, more likely a light swap Jun 06 16:15:26 SpeedEvil, cant really theres no /dev to hang onto to check against Jun 06 16:15:28 lcuk, i'm sure I saw a thread about it Jun 06 16:15:54 MohammadAG51, yeah you did i think - the startings of one anyway Jun 06 16:15:58 SpeedEvil: I dont see that device in /dev ;/ Jun 06 16:16:32 lcuk, wouldn't tar'ing the whole rootfs and shoving it in some mmc card work? Jun 06 16:16:44 not quite Jun 06 16:16:46 ok, lets see if I can reflash MMC Jun 06 16:17:03 because the destination would also be trying to use the /home/opt from the original Jun 06 16:17:06 it would need tweaking Jun 06 16:17:28 so a dd, then some sed magic on a couple of files Jun 06 16:17:37 lcuk, then just remove the symlink and make it use a normal /opt Jun 06 16:17:44 and bob would metaphorically be your uncle Jun 06 16:17:44 man git lols Jun 06 16:17:56 I hate how some apps use /home/opt though Jun 06 16:17:57 MohammadAG51, yeah but its not a symlink Jun 06 16:18:02 thats the bit of tweaking Jun 06 16:18:03 MohammadAG51, ? Jun 06 16:18:06 i use home//opt Jun 06 16:18:10 home/opt Jun 06 16:18:14 noobmonk3y, you use /opt Jun 06 16:18:14 was told to , so i did lol Jun 06 16:18:17 oh Jun 06 16:18:18 do i? Jun 06 16:18:18 noobmonk3y, use /opt Jun 06 16:18:24 * noobmonk3y smiles and nobs politely Jun 06 16:18:27 nobs? Jun 06 16:18:28 nods Jun 06 16:18:29 lol Jun 06 16:18:30 * noobmonk3y loves typos Jun 06 16:18:34 or rather your paths should be listed as /opt in the codebase Jun 06 16:18:42 even if by default they exist in /home/opt Jun 06 16:18:43 Anyone having problems pushing to vcs.maemo.org? Jun 06 16:20:11 jaffa not using git on maemo so dont know Jun 06 16:22:22 lcuk: It's not possible with the stock kernel as that does not support MMC without a module - you'd need an initfs Jun 06 16:22:29 Or a kernel with a module Jun 06 16:22:35 Or kexec Jun 06 16:22:56 w000p new healthcheck in extras devel - it's almost tidied up, still a bit to do, but getting there Jun 06 16:23:31 hmmm Jun 06 16:23:37 I cant reflash eMMC Jun 06 16:23:41 what i do is: Jun 06 16:23:52 sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin -f Jun 06 16:23:57 -> Hardware error Jun 06 16:24:06 err Jun 06 16:24:11 and then once it finishes i do Jun 06 16:24:12 that's.. not the eMMC Jun 06 16:24:23 sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Jun 06 16:24:28 but is says: Jun 06 16:25:39 http://wklej.org/id/346520/ Jun 06 16:26:02 and very dark five dots shows up ant nothing happens Jun 06 16:26:11 I need to replug the battery to turn it on Jun 06 16:26:27 -> Hardware error Jun 06 16:26:49 you could try reflashing it again, but I doubt it'll work Jun 06 16:27:17 already tried twice with the same result ;/ Jun 06 16:27:42 take it to a Nokia Care Center Jun 06 16:28:26 frals, new H/C should now fix the gps prob, i can't replicate it, but i couldn't before :P Jun 06 16:28:56 damn :( Jun 06 16:29:43 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MaemoCentral/~3/y474P3rt7uQ/ . as Nokia probably wouldn't make that, it wouldn't be that hard to make a custom keyboard that every app can use? Jun 06 16:30:41 OK guys, will take it tomorrow to place where I bought it. Thanks for trying! Jun 06 16:35:09 OMG http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=702422#post702422 Jun 06 16:35:15 i wonder if it mounts / Jun 06 16:37:23 This file breaks all functionality of bootmenu.sh but it's broken anyway (IMHO). Jun 06 16:37:37 I'll pass ^ Jun 06 16:43:59 fiq - work in progress from many sides that needs coordinating. hildon input method is a bit more involved than a custom english only keyboard in single apps Jun 06 16:44:13 frals and noobmonk3y and others are all doing it Jun 06 16:44:13 ok Jun 06 16:44:39 doing what? Jun 06 16:45:02 * noobmonk3y blinks Jun 06 16:45:07 shite, late for dinner! Jun 06 16:47:36 well who would have guessed. if you don't really used your n900, except for some minor coding, some ssh, and only on wlan, it will actually hold 32 hours on one battery... Jun 06 16:48:35 Shapeshifter, seems reasonable enough Jun 06 16:52:29 * MohammadAG51 hates flamers http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=702436&postcount=1043 Jun 06 16:53:58 * GeneralAntilles hates that game developers haven't caught up with the fact that a large number of their users are playing on 1080 or better. Jun 06 16:54:32 GeneralAntilles, really? Jun 06 16:54:45 hi Jun 06 16:55:09 Uncomfortably small fonts Jun 06 16:55:18 pling Jun 06 16:55:28 plong Jun 06 16:55:29 lcuk: ? Jun 06 16:55:36 plong Jun 06 16:56:11 ? frals arent you a member of the gitorious portrait keyboard project :P Jun 06 16:56:26 yeah just hadnt been bothered to scroll up Jun 06 16:56:26 :D Jun 06 16:56:45 w00t_: ping Jun 06 16:56:45 hola btw Jun 06 16:56:49 ello Jun 06 16:56:50 pong Jun 06 16:57:04 * frals just got the suitcase from the cellar, should start packing Jun 06 16:57:07 (if you've been trying to get me earlier, sorry, I've been having a "no-PC" miniholiday over the weekend) Jun 06 16:57:29 w00t_: first attempt ;-) want to have your name in the maintainer field of portrait-keyboard? ;) Jun 06 16:58:09 w00t_: was thinking about doing talkthread/submit the 'working' stuff to -devel and try to get some people involved Jun 06 16:58:20 or use multiple maintainers Jun 06 16:58:30 yeah, that's a good approach (re: pushing it up now) Jun 06 16:58:35 w00t_: as im leaving the country this week by the looks of it and probably wont have much time the coming ~weeks Jun 06 16:58:45 or just type in fr00t_ xD Jun 06 16:58:50 aww :( Jun 06 16:59:13 can do, but you'd better come back and rescue me! Jun 06 16:59:25 will do :) Jun 06 17:10:22 lcuk: whos elima? :D Jun 06 17:16:22 frals http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=elima+maemo :) Jun 06 17:16:44 heh Jun 06 17:17:31 lets just say that the person you linked on twitter does not match that :p Jun 06 17:17:48 frals yeah i realised Jun 06 17:18:08 she can still come to the meeting tho :D Jun 06 17:18:33 hello Jun 06 17:18:51 ~seen achipa Jun 06 17:18:53 achipa <~chatzilla@Maemo/community/council/achipa> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 4h 32m 59s ago, saying: 'tybollt: MeeGo is input agnostic. The speficic UXes might not be.'. Jun 06 17:29:55 how come my backlight is off? Jun 06 17:30:17 when I reboot into maemo. Jun 06 17:30:46 Sebas1, perhaps you're in a bright room? Jun 06 17:31:13 sorry? Jun 06 17:31:26 no I can see text. but there's not backlight.. Jun 06 17:31:41 it does that at very, very low battery Jun 06 17:31:53 Though it will normally not boot in that case Jun 06 17:32:02 weird. battery shows at 80T% Jun 06 17:32:21 broken ribbon? Jun 06 17:32:32 what's a ribbon (sorry) Jun 06 17:35:03 hardware "cable" which connects the screen to the motherboard Jun 06 17:35:15 even when I have charger connected. the light goes off. Jun 06 17:37:25 Sebas1, does the light come on at all Jun 06 17:37:44 Is there a media tag editor for maemo? Jun 06 17:37:48 not when im booting meegos. only in normal mode Jun 06 17:37:51 Thinking of developing one .. Jun 06 17:38:43 booting meegos? Jun 06 17:38:46 huh Sebas1 ? meegos? Jun 06 17:38:49 alterego, MussOrgsky Jun 06 17:39:00 MohammadAG51: ah, cool. Jun 06 17:39:29 wow, echo 255 > /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness makes the N900 epic bright Jun 06 17:39:43 meego* xD Jun 06 17:40:17 what MeeGo Jun 06 17:40:46 n900 open arm 1.0 Jun 06 17:40:51 anyways, the screen should be @ 255 when the power button is pressed Jun 06 17:41:48 so... Jun 06 17:42:01 Sebas1, when you press the power button, does it light up? Jun 06 17:42:28 hold on Jun 06 17:45:48 lcuk: might have something to do with bootmenu? Jun 06 18:00:19 MohammadAG51, ping Jun 06 18:00:46 pong Jun 06 18:00:52 pong Jun 06 18:01:06 hey you hack pyqt, right? Jun 06 18:01:28 I do pyside Jun 06 18:01:32 wrong guy, but ask anyways :P Jun 06 18:03:48 heh, ok. got reports of AttributeError: type object 'Qt' has no attribute 'WA_Maemo5StackedWindow' Jun 06 18:04:10 MohammadAG51: didn't make n900 brighter here Jun 06 18:04:12 ~seen noobmonk3y Jun 06 18:04:15 noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@host86-176-110-73.range86-176.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 19m 8s ago, saying: 'shite, late for dinner!'. Jun 06 18:04:42 Mece, he ^ knows Jun 06 18:04:49 w00t_, might know the answer as well Jun 06 18:04:59 I, don't Jun 06 18:05:04 ok. looks like a dependency problem. Jun 06 18:05:14 arachnist, 1. did you do it as root 2. why are you on max brightness Jun 06 18:05:47 Mece: older PyQt didn't have Maemo5 specific stuff Jun 06 18:05:52 I don't know if the current packages do Jun 06 18:05:56 I haven't checked in some months Jun 06 18:08:21 MohammadAG51: 1) yes, otherwise it would shout "permision denied", 2) dunno, it doesn't change the brightness automatically here Jun 06 18:15:00 w00t_, hmm. perhaps I need to add some version demands in the depends. Jun 06 18:15:16 need to ask attila77 I guess. Jun 06 18:15:43 possibly Jun 06 18:27:19 Mece, is there an equivelant of textbuffer in Qt? Jun 06 18:27:44 what is textbuffer? Jun 06 18:29:56 exactly... Jun 06 18:29:58 whats in a textfield in gtk Jun 06 18:29:59 QTextDocument and associated classes might be what you're after by the sounds of it, maybe Jun 06 18:29:59 Gtk.textbuffer, it's a text box that shows output Jun 06 18:30:09 er, ok, weird name for it Jun 06 18:30:14 I'd have expected textview Jun 06 18:30:25 textview is the ui object, pretty much Jun 06 18:30:40 QTextEdit / QPlainTextEdit are the two widgets that do simple views of text Jun 06 18:30:41 textbuffer is whats holding the buffer of text... err, yeah Jun 06 18:31:09 A gtk.TextBuffer is the core component of the PyGTK text editing system. A gtk.TextBuffer contains the text, pixbufs and child widget anchors that are displayed in one or more gtk.TextView widgets. A gtk.TextBuffer has an associated gtk.TextTagTable that contains the gtk.TextTag objects that can be used to set attributes on the text in the textbuffer Jun 06 18:31:50 that description doesn't mean a lot to me, but I'd still guess QTextDocument and friends: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.6/qtextdocument.html#details Jun 06 18:32:31 yeah looks right Jun 06 18:34:36 frals, hows your toewl Jun 06 18:34:38 towel Jun 06 18:34:48 tis going in the washer! Jun 06 18:35:48 w00t_: wanna do announcement thread on talk about portrait-keyboard project (if you havent already) or should i? Jun 06 18:36:16 no strong feelings, i can write one if you don't want to, basically Jun 06 18:36:34 free karma for you if you do! ;-) Jun 06 18:36:50 ok, what are you uploading it as? Jun 06 18:36:56 * w00t_ opens talk Jun 06 18:37:41 o.o:) Jun 06 18:37:47 -either simley Jun 06 18:37:51 *smiley Jun 06 18:39:15 w00t_: id give you the package name, but err gitorious isnt responding :D Jun 06 18:39:49 yeah.. saw that earlier Jun 06 18:39:51 annoying Jun 06 18:40:02 Package: portrait-keyboard Jun 06 18:41:00 cool Jun 06 18:41:16 hello Jun 06 18:41:19 * w00t_ works out how to take a screenshot Jun 06 18:41:26 ctrl shift p ;) Jun 06 18:41:38 yes, but.. opening the keyboard closes the vkb Jun 06 18:41:41 :D Jun 06 18:41:41 urm any one? Jun 06 18:41:41 :-p Jun 06 18:41:48 SoLoMaNXX: yes? Jun 06 18:41:55 w00t_: Install cpu-applet thingy Jun 06 18:41:58 w00t_: i need help with N900 please Jun 06 18:42:07 SpeedEvil: hrrm? Jun 06 18:42:15 w00t_: Then open app-menu - click the camera thingy - and then you have 20s before it takes a screenshot Jun 06 18:42:18 SoLoMaNXX: just ask, and if someone can help, they probably will Jun 06 18:42:28 I might not. Jun 06 18:42:30 SpeedEvil: hmm.. Jun 06 18:42:34 i want to open an .exe program Jun 06 18:42:35 * SpeedEvil only helps in return for cheese. Jun 06 18:42:37 on N900 Jun 06 18:42:41 dosbox? Jun 06 18:42:55 what do you mean by 'open an exe program' ? Jun 06 18:43:07 a program with an .exe extenstion Jun 06 18:43:09 The n900 does not use the same processor (probably) as your PC Jun 06 18:43:21 SoLoMaNXX, dosbox Jun 06 18:43:25 It cannot run normal PC programs, this requires an emulator. Jun 06 18:43:39 lcuk: it will work? Jun 06 18:43:39 There are several emulators that run basic PCs. dosbox is one. Jun 06 18:43:46 Is this a windows program? Jun 06 18:44:17 dosbox? Jun 06 18:44:20 SoLoMaNXX, it will run exess whether you have all the librarys required (like windows libs) is another matter and how fast it works is also something else entirely again Jun 06 18:44:33 aha Jun 06 18:44:46 hold on let me download it Jun 06 18:45:05 someone booted windows 95 afaik (in about 3 hours) Jun 06 18:45:52 installing.. Jun 06 18:46:09 It's incredibly unlikely you'd want to run anything that will work in dosbox. Ask a real question. Jun 06 18:53:51 hmm Jun 06 18:54:01 DocScrutinizer: which part of hardware has that 200mA limit? Jun 06 18:54:18 bq24150 Jun 06 18:55:13 isn't that maximum average current Jun 06 18:55:27 Iblimit is 1A Jun 06 18:55:35 Ibo is .2A Jun 06 18:56:47 The boost mode Jun 06 18:57:58 I'm unsure where the actual limit comes from - I would guess thermal dissipation in the high-side rectifier Jun 06 18:59:38 SoLoMaNXX, main public channel only and i cant answer your question anyway i just know of dosbox, others may know more Jun 06 19:00:19 well if they know they would have replied lol Jun 06 19:00:39 Well - you're not really helping - what sort of program is this. Jun 06 19:00:57 mirc.exe Jun 06 19:01:07 i dont want these chatx Jun 06 19:01:09 no, that won't run Jun 06 19:01:14 and irssi Jun 06 19:01:45 * lcuk bangs head on wall Jun 06 19:02:13 There is also pidgin Jun 06 19:02:19 for future reference: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/screenshot-tool is very useful Jun 06 19:03:03 w00t_, i just press the key vulcan grip thingy, ctrl shift p Jun 06 19:03:19 lcuk: doesn't work when you need a screenshot for a vkb Jun 06 19:03:20 I use the cpu-applet thing Jun 06 19:03:22 w00t_: yeah, what's up with the keyboard shortcut :P Jun 06 19:03:23 works fine Jun 06 19:03:23 but i suppose with keyboard rotation testing and having kb slid in Jun 06 19:03:43 Is there not a console command to do it? Jun 06 19:03:48 alterego: that's what that is for Jun 06 19:03:54 I tried xwd without luck Jun 06 19:03:57 Ah, right Jun 06 19:03:58 alterego, w00t_ just shared exactly that Jun 06 19:04:15 I thought, maybe, without installing anything :P Jun 06 19:06:19 do I need to use Global version (firmware) if live in the netherlands? Jun 06 19:08:02 I loaded the global version and it works fine here .nl Jun 06 19:10:42 hello people Jun 06 19:11:20 hey Jun 06 19:13:29 hello Jun 06 19:17:54 [2010-06-06 22:05:59] portrait-keyboard 2.0.0-2-maemo2 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository Jun 06 19:23:58 DocScrutinizer: btw. have you seen my discovery about what bme and bq2whatever is doing Jun 06 19:24:18 I gues Jun 06 19:24:20 s yes Jun 06 19:24:23 * MohammadAG51 gets the popcorn Jun 06 19:24:38 the one about bme writing to 0x3b? Jun 06 19:24:45 nope Jun 06 19:25:02 bme on startup writes to chip id 0x6b ( charger ) Jun 06 19:25:11 to register 0x3b Jun 06 19:25:11 yes Jun 06 19:25:16 4d, 4f, 4e Jun 06 19:25:27 that's one thing Jun 06 19:25:29 vm Jun 06 19:25:31 nvm* Jun 06 19:25:33 there's no register ox3b on bq24150 Jun 06 19:25:35 s/writes/reads/ Jun 06 19:25:39 DocScrutinizer: exactly Jun 06 19:25:45 DocScrutinizer: but it's reading it Jun 06 19:25:54 and what's more important it gets valid answer Jun 06 19:25:57 mirror register, I guess Jun 06 19:26:07 modulo Jun 06 19:26:13 because it looks like bq24150 is only interested in lowest 3 bits of address Jun 06 19:26:17 quite insane Jun 06 19:26:24 high 5 bits are ignored Jun 06 19:26:25 yep Jun 06 19:26:29 yep Jun 06 19:26:42 that's the usual way of I2C Jun 06 19:28:38 so basically the access is modulo 2^2 Jun 06 19:29:05 err 2^3 Jun 06 19:29:30 yes Jun 06 19:29:41 though I'm not sure your picture about lowest THREE bits is correct Jun 06 19:30:03 maybe it was 4 Jun 06 19:30:04 ooh yes, it is Jun 06 19:30:09 i'm not sure now Jun 06 19:30:15 but it was either 3 or 4 Jun 06 19:30:26 we got 5 regs, so you need 3 bits to address Jun 06 19:30:34 but reading 0x03 and 0x3b gives you same value Jun 06 19:30:42 and 0x04 with 0x3c Jun 06 19:31:25 Jaffa, ah, crap. This again? :P Jun 06 19:31:30 does anyone know where menu arrangements are stored? Jun 06 19:31:59 so 0x3b modulo 7 Jun 06 19:32:11 errrks, 8 Jun 06 19:32:47 something like that Jun 06 19:33:06 extremely insane design of BME :-S Jun 06 19:33:35 you JUST DON'T DO THAT in a clean source Jun 06 19:33:53 I mean WTF?! you got a define for each register Jun 06 19:34:07 and that define isn't exactly 0x3b Jun 06 19:34:41 we should open a ticket against bme unknown, for fucked up source Jun 06 19:35:01 function that's used to read registers from it starts at 000160A8 Jun 06 19:35:08 could be a 'clever' person trying to obscure what it's doing. Jun 06 19:35:08 and is called only by 2 functions Jun 06 19:35:20 both are exactly same Jun 06 19:35:42 what a crap! Jun 06 19:35:45 0001A33C - i never saw that one being called yet Jun 06 19:35:54 but i see xrefs to it Jun 06 19:36:15 and 00019188 that's acctualy called Jun 06 19:36:27 and that function calls real read function Jun 06 19:36:34 jacekowski: that's gibberish, we can't read that Jun 06 19:37:02 SpeedEvil, Nokia certainly has an overabundance of clever folks. . . . Jun 06 19:37:19 DocScrutinizer: open bme in disassembler Jun 06 19:37:22 please include such conclusions to the disassembly document, so everybody can look up Jun 06 19:38:00 GAN900: Yes, and a lot of wonderful ideas that clearly are a differentiator in the marketplace! Jun 06 19:38:02 well, as far as i know accorting to t&c it's illegal to disassemble it Jun 06 19:38:19 GAN900: Notice that nobody in the world has copied the media player. Jun 06 19:38:30 It must be _so_awesome!_ Jun 06 19:38:38 well, i'm using wmp Jun 06 19:38:40 disassembling isn't illegal here in Europe, but publishing is Jun 06 19:38:42 jacekowski: You're in the EU I thought? Jun 06 19:38:53 SpeedEvil: yes Jun 06 19:39:10 SpeedEvil: but according to t&c that i had to accept to get latest firmware it's illegal Jun 06 19:39:27 but i don't care Jun 06 19:39:34 it isn't Jun 06 19:40:20 Nokia can revoke your right to use the software when you disassemble, based on the agreement. But they can not sue you Jun 06 19:40:48 even the former isn't entirely clear Jun 06 19:42:05 you might *need* to disassemble to put the software to purpose on the desired usecase, in which case for servicing purposes Nokia can't forbid disassembling Jun 06 19:42:47 except if they deliver a 'fixed' version of the sw in due time :-P Jun 06 19:43:54 I note that the firmware terms and conditions seem not actually to be valid. Jun 06 19:43:55 anyway publishing a disassembly clearly is a (C) infringement Jun 06 19:44:06 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 Jun 06 19:44:07 Bug 10261: Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. Jun 06 19:44:18 As in fundamentally flawed - not subtle legal arguments. Jun 06 19:44:33 As in 'nobody actually read them'. Jun 06 19:44:47 http://pastebin.com/SLxgyENa Jun 06 19:44:48 anyway publishing a disassembly clearly is a (C) infringement, still Jun 06 19:45:17 hmm i just infringed (c) Jun 06 19:45:43 Nokia might urge you to take it down Jun 06 19:45:54 well, i can't Jun 06 19:46:30 so they need to proove economic damage, and sue you on that Jun 06 19:46:40 they'll take you down Jun 06 19:46:41 which surely is hard for them :-P Jun 06 19:47:18 frals: How to switch off the new portrait-keyboard? Do I have to uninstall it? Jun 06 19:47:34 is extras plugin for conversation working for pr1.2 ? Can't seem to get it working with msn or aim or yahoo Jun 06 19:47:53 use the one in -testing Jun 06 19:50:44 ey what's up with the python depends in extras that people are posting about on tmo? Jun 06 19:51:10 idk Jun 06 19:51:25 MohammadAG51: I've tried 0.7 and 0.8 but it doesnt work Jun 06 19:51:52 0.7 worksforme Jun 06 19:52:01 remove and readd the account Jun 06 19:52:09 also purge all related packages Jun 06 19:52:14 ie libpurple0 Jun 06 19:52:17 how do i do that Jun 06 19:52:19 account-plugin-haze Jun 06 19:52:24 avahi* Jun 06 19:53:00 i read some packages need to be put on hold? Jun 06 19:53:12 SpeedEvil: quoting like bug #10261 is much cooler :-P Jun 06 19:53:13 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 Terms and conditions of use displayed on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect. Jun 06 19:54:16 apt-get --purge autoremove avahi* pidgin-facebookchat libpurple* account-plugin-haze telepathy-haze purple-extra-protocols Jun 06 19:55:16 thanks :) Jun 06 19:55:41 RST38h, Jun 06 19:55:46 apt-get --purge autoremove avahi* pidgin-facebookchat libpurple* account-plugin-haze telepathy-haze purple-extra-protocols Jun 06 19:55:56 disable devel, install your crap, re-enable devel Jun 06 19:56:03 eh? Jun 06 19:56:11 its called pidgin right? Jun 06 19:56:16 and then what? Jun 06 19:56:42 that's the "pretty name" Jun 06 19:56:50 RST38h, sign into ICQ Jun 06 19:57:10 I can sign into ICQ Jun 06 19:57:29 But only at the costhaze of downgrading pidgin libraries and the telepathy- Jun 06 19:57:37 screw you, that's not what you said this morning :P Jun 06 19:58:33 * lcuk yawns and vanishes for the night Jun 06 19:58:44 MohammadAG51: where's my python enabled xchat? ;-D Jun 06 19:59:24 * DocScrutinizer wonders which TZ lcuk is in Jun 06 19:59:33 that's exactly what I have said Jun 06 19:59:50 hello, could pyqt4.7.3 get some votes? https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/python2.5-qt4/4.7.3-maemo5/ Jun 06 20:00:08 The uk in lcuk stands for UK. Jun 06 20:00:39 ooh, so the night starts at 21:00 for lcuk o.O Jun 06 20:00:46 derf, no it stands for unbelievably kool. Jun 06 20:01:01 I'm just about to wake up, and I'm +1 of him :-P Jun 06 20:01:05 Mece: That isn't what UK stands for? Jun 06 20:01:17 derf, haha. yeah! Jun 06 20:01:45 Well, that or "Unbelievably Kloudy". Jun 06 20:01:57 I was thinking Unicorn Knobber. Jun 06 20:02:06 it was raining here Jun 06 20:02:07 again Jun 06 20:02:19 twice Jun 06 20:02:26 At the same time? Jun 06 20:02:30 no Jun 06 20:02:30 SpeedEvil is the one who should know :-P Jun 06 20:02:32 20 minutes apart Jun 06 20:03:42 * DocScrutinizer ponders idly about football with 3 teams and 3 goals Jun 06 20:04:14 funny playground for sure Jun 06 20:05:09 GB, Scotland, Ireland -> dream game Jun 06 20:05:14 GAN900: Not many contributions this week. Jun 06 20:05:29 Scotland is part of GB Jun 06 20:05:37 eeerks Jun 06 20:05:42 UK is The united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland. Jun 06 20:06:01 The united kingdom was created from the union of the crowns of scotland, england, and wales. Jun 06 20:06:07 GAN900: I'm going to watch some telly with the missus, then blast at a few of them. Hermes refactor is going well - it's joined up with Facebook again Jun 06 20:06:28 Great britain refers to this. Jun 06 20:06:46 Yeah hopefully us in Northern Ireland get rid of the crappy UK Jun 06 20:07:18 I thought Scottish feel alike Jun 06 20:07:26 Not really. Jun 06 20:07:57 Yeah the Scottich and Irish want to get rid of crappy UK Jun 06 20:08:09 lol Jun 06 20:08:14 nah, probably Scotland just the better part of GB Jun 06 20:08:15 There is a large proportion of people in scotland that understand that for economic reasons - significantly more devolution than currently might have extreme negative effects. Jun 06 20:08:52 Well England is Chav land Jun 06 20:09:05 England is "people-obsessing-about-chavs"-land. Jun 06 20:09:40 People growing up tend to do what's expected of them. When a nation completely demonizes its youth in the way that the Daily Mail folks do, then no wonder this is happening Jun 06 20:10:28 The whole 'pedo' thing has gotten poisonous. Jun 06 20:10:49 what pedo thing Jun 06 20:10:50 * noobmonk3y waves! Jun 06 20:10:51 It's meant that well-meaning adults are generally very apprehensive with doing anything with children. Jun 06 20:11:11 yeah, whatever's wrong with a little innocent fingering now and then?! Jun 06 20:11:18 O.o Jun 06 20:11:22 toresbe, rot in hell Jun 06 20:11:25 * RST38h look"s up "chavs Jun 06 20:11:29 * toresbe giggles Jun 06 20:12:22 SpeedEvil: One Norwegian lawyer who himself was abused in his childhood made a rather good argument a while back that the people who do the greatest damage is society which attaches such gargantuan significance to it. Jun 06 20:12:32 yes. Jun 06 20:12:34 noobmonk3y, is wa_maemo5stackablewindow dependent on pyqt 4.7.3-maemo5? Jun 06 20:12:57 nope Jun 06 20:13:03 4.6 seems to work ok Jun 06 20:13:05 SpeedEvil: yet another evidence of so called western civilization going to hell Jun 06 20:13:19 The physical damage is usually limited if there is any; the extent of the physical damage is defined by how bad society defines the crime to have been supposed to be Jun 06 20:13:22 toresbe: The harm done one child is probably also outweighed lots by the lots damaged indirectly by adults not reacting properly to them Jun 06 20:13:23 well, i think so as i'm not using 4.7 Jun 06 20:13:26 noobmonk3y, there is no 4.6.. Jun 06 20:13:29 oh Jun 06 20:13:31 erm Jun 06 20:13:33 errrrrrr Jun 06 20:13:36 pyqt :) Jun 06 20:13:39 * noobmonk3y is thinking qt Jun 06 20:13:39 not qt Jun 06 20:13:43 nod Jun 06 20:13:44 lol Jun 06 20:13:48 :D Jun 06 20:13:50 * MohammadAG51 throws a banana at noobmonk3y, think! Jun 06 20:13:51 and the answer is, i dont have the foggiest! Jun 06 20:14:02 xD Jun 06 20:14:02 * noobmonk3y eats the bannana, and feels like the monkey on futurama Jun 06 20:14:07 (without the hat) Jun 06 20:14:21 * SpeedEvil saw something on deprecation of QT on planet. Jun 06 20:14:42 Qt's shit tbh :) Jun 06 20:14:50 Creating taboos that prevent normal social activities, such as kindergarten lady wiping her pupil's ass. Jun 06 20:14:56 might switch the whole h-e-n app to GTK Jun 06 20:15:01 http://maemo.org/community/council/notice_to_developers-the_old_libqt4-maemo5-prefixed_packages_have_officially_been_deprecated/ Jun 06 20:15:03 ah - that Jun 06 20:15:08 ok.. i forgets to set (>= 4.7.3-maemo5) and is thinking that some peeps have qt installed from extras and is not working. Jun 06 20:15:42 (and I have not even started on the whole "tolerance" thing yet :)) Jun 06 20:15:47 MohammadAG51: one thing that drives me nutz about qt is that it's _all_ c++ Jun 06 20:15:55 speedevil, shouldn't affect this though. Jun 06 20:16:01 * b-man|laptop prefers c Jun 06 20:16:09 b-man|laptop, yeah, pyQt segfaults Jun 06 20:16:14 lol Jun 06 20:16:30 mohammadag51, when? Jun 06 20:16:34 Mece, have to admit i struggle with understanding all the versions :| Jun 06 20:16:57 noobmonk3y, vote! https://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/python2.5-qt4/4.7.3-maemo5/ Jun 06 20:17:06 hai Jun 06 20:17:12 heya Jun 06 20:17:15 i'll get my N900 back tomorrow Jun 06 20:17:16 hey Vanadis Jun 06 20:17:17 ooo will looky Mece Jun 06 20:17:36 -> Nokia replaced the killed USB-Port for free Jun 06 20:18:02 Mece, voted and now on 10 :) Jun 06 20:18:09 nice Jun 06 20:18:11 cool Vanadis Jun 06 20:18:11 * b-man|laptop wants a Pandora Jun 06 20:18:20 * Corsac wants a pony Jun 06 20:18:27 vanadis, I got mine fixed in three hours. for free. Jun 06 20:19:42 Mece, took them one week, reactivated my n95 Jun 06 20:20:02 vanadis, I guess I was lucky :) Jun 06 20:30:13 question: when do libraries get updated? is it only if an app demands that version, or do they upgrade when installing an app that demands current but there is a newer version available? Jun 06 20:30:32 ...when using HAM Jun 06 20:36:46 heh.. Mece .. maybe after using an "over the air" update that requires wiping the flash and using a cable to do it haha Jun 06 20:37:23 err...? Jun 06 20:38:07 sorry. just taking a cheap shot at it bing called an ota update for 1.2 Jun 06 20:39:09 i suppose in quantum physics the usb cable can be considered "air" Jun 06 20:39:18 macer, ota update works perfectly fine unless you've been using unfinished software :P Jun 06 20:39:55 uhm :) Jun 06 20:40:35 all i know is that 1.2 required me using a usb cable.. i suppose i could have used flasher but meh Jun 06 20:40:51 i expected it to get updated in app manager Jun 06 20:41:21 macer, means you had some conflicting software. Jun 06 20:41:58 i updated two n900's at work from ham. no problems. flashed my own though. Jun 06 20:42:37 anyway i was referring to libraries from extras, pyqt in this particular case. Jun 06 20:48:39 1.2 ota worked better than previously Jun 06 20:50:59 anyone have any success with kismet on the N800? i cant get mine to work right Jun 06 20:51:37 Livingroom: Maemo doesn't like it Jun 06 20:51:39 works fine with Gentoo Jun 06 20:51:41 :p Jun 06 20:51:47 wat Jun 06 20:51:52 it'll run but cannot attach to wlan0 Jun 06 20:52:37 there's got to be a better answer other than maemo doesnt like it. Jun 06 20:56:18 Livingroom: I used to have a script to kill the various Maemo parts that screw it up Jun 06 20:57:19 any other wifi tools for n800? Jun 06 20:57:48 Livingroom: still at it.. Jun 06 20:57:55 yep Jun 06 20:59:27 i refuse to believe there's no wifi tools for this Jun 06 21:01:17 is there any nice guide for ubuntu netbook for dualboot? Jun 06 21:11:08 I'm out. nighty night Jun 06 21:20:38 anyone know something about chinook app? runs drupal and sqllite under scratchbox/ http://foolab.org/files/imagecache/full/images/s.png Jun 06 21:36:06 is there a standard way on the n900 to restart the window manager/desktop/X? Jun 06 21:36:25 killall hildon-desktop Jun 06 21:36:31 yes pigeon, reboot Jun 06 21:36:31 or reboot Jun 06 21:36:42 I don't think you can restart X easily Jun 06 21:36:56 I think the watchdog kicks in and reboots the device if X dies Jun 06 21:36:59 hmm Jun 06 21:37:05 oh Jun 06 21:37:14 thanks Jun 06 21:37:24 * SpeedEvil realises this would be easy to test. Jun 06 21:37:27 (simplest method anyway) Jun 06 21:37:47 yeah - looks like it's rebooting Jun 06 21:37:54 heh Jun 06 21:38:05 Of course, I would have to actually pick it up off the floor to test this. Jun 06 21:38:06 Ah Jun 06 21:38:08 nice to make reboot shortcut menu also Jun 06 21:38:09 I hear a noise! Jun 06 21:38:21 Mr Nokia Hands. Jun 06 21:38:26 So yes, it makes it reboot Jun 06 21:38:41 it's not a watchdog Jun 06 21:38:43 it's dsme Jun 06 21:38:55 watchdog resets phone if dsme dies Jun 06 21:39:09 so watchdog is only making sure that dsme is alive Jun 06 21:39:14 and dsme takes care of the rest Jun 06 21:39:17 anyone know how to make the media player app on the n900 mark the position of a played file, so if the app closes you can come back to where you left off? Jun 06 21:39:48 kleetus: not supported Jun 06 21:39:50 kleetus: you should be thankfull that it remembers last played file Jun 06 21:40:01 it's not good at playlists, either. Jun 06 21:40:03 thanks Jun 06 21:40:07 aka, setting them up. Jun 06 21:40:37 sux for podcast where the length can be 2 hours and you have to come back later to finish it up Jun 06 21:40:38 sounds like another candidate for the brainstorm page... Jun 06 21:41:00 kleetus: There is some basic audiobook player in the repos. Jun 06 21:41:09 Which is supposed to do that iirc. Jun 06 21:41:10 kleetus: panucci does that :) Jun 06 21:41:14 range: thanks! Jun 06 21:41:18 Or panucci. Jun 06 21:41:27 True, forgot about that :) Jun 06 21:41:28 SpeedEvil: there is so much suboptimal stuff on n900 Jun 06 21:41:44 I use Panucci for my audio book needs.. :) Jun 06 21:42:01 morning lcuk Jun 06 21:42:01 Ah well. At least with 1.2 the media player doesn't stumble over it's own feet when a mail or an sms arrives. Jun 06 21:42:22 heh distracted from coding Jun 06 21:42:25 Panucci could pause when call arrives... :) Jun 06 21:42:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHmTG6pbGBo Jun 06 21:42:38 no no no don't leave! Jun 06 21:42:52 * noobmonk3y waves Jun 06 21:44:02 jacekowski: It is a watchdog - something resets the phone when X dies. Exactly how that is implemented is a seperate question. Jun 06 21:44:25 PolarFox: Panucci works well, thanks! Jun 06 21:53:02 Who's Tomi? Jun 06 21:53:18 he broke OMAP video in 2.6.33 and it hasn't compiled since -.- Jun 06 21:53:24 watchdog just resets if the kernel hangs shouldent even worrie about processes .. ie x Jun 06 21:54:24 luke-jr, ? Jun 06 21:54:51 lcuk: you're Gary, not Tomi Jun 06 21:56:21 oops Jun 06 21:57:03 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16144 Jun 06 21:57:04 Bug 16144: was not found. Jun 06 21:57:07 f u povbot` Jun 06 21:57:37 luke-jr: chill Jun 06 21:57:50 hey crashanddie Jun 06 22:01:22 yo Jun 06 22:08:21 There is a chip that hw accelerates decoding right? Jun 06 22:08:31 how would I go about using it? Jun 06 22:08:40 does it work for mp3? Jun 06 22:11:52 It's not used for mp3 in maemo5 Jun 06 22:12:11 mpeg4/asp and h264 baseline are accelerated atleast Jun 06 22:12:21 if you access it through mafw or gstreamer Jun 06 22:13:07 dotblank: ls /lib/dsp Jun 06 22:15:03 ShadowJK, what's it used for (audio) then? Jun 06 22:15:33 I'll reconvert my whole library :) Jun 06 22:15:50 all audio is done on CPU Jun 06 22:16:06 well except maybe the speech codecs during calls.. Jun 06 22:16:27 oh Jun 06 22:20:36 luke-jr: Tomi is known as tomba here in #beagle channel Jun 06 22:23:24 luke-jr: but I think he even does not have the hardware to test changes in the old omapfb driver, so he has to rely on guys like you and that Sergey Lapin Jun 06 22:24:53 luke-jr: just revert that broken commit, test whether it works properly and submit a patch Jun 06 22:26:21 hmmm Jun 06 22:26:23 Tested-by: Sergey Lapin Jun 06 22:26:53 that's why i don't believe in anything developed by community Jun 06 22:27:52 why should we believe in your chromium port then :) Jun 06 22:28:07 * MohammadAG51 expects a "you shouldn't" Jun 06 22:28:27 you shouldn't Jun 06 22:28:30 MohammadAG51: "'cause I'm more aweseome" ;) Jun 06 22:28:36 i'm not going to let down your expectations Jun 06 22:28:55 asj, malformed signle quote Jun 06 22:29:30 MohammadAG51: and if you want to be picky, missing ( Jun 06 22:29:40 going back to being cool Jun 06 22:29:53 asj, nope, that's processed as a unicode smiley Jun 06 22:30:03 just import smileys Jun 06 22:30:09 i think it would be easy patch to patch bme to use kernel driver to talk to charger/fuel gauge Jun 06 22:30:15 MohammadAG51: I don't do python Jun 06 22:30:18 then just make simple driver to match it Jun 06 22:30:29 asj, what do you "do" then? Jun 06 22:30:33 and log whatever is it doing with it Jun 06 22:30:54 MohammadAG51: pretty much anything else, except ruby. Jun 06 22:45:31 ssvb: It either doesn't work, or something else is wrong Jun 06 22:48:48 luke-jr: anyway, the fact that nobody has noticed the problem for such a long time is amazing Jun 06 22:49:12 ssvb: and sad Jun 06 22:53:49 frals: ping Jun 06 22:53:56 w00t_: pong Jun 06 22:54:54 frals: added a few commits cleaning up /src/ a bit, i'm gonna try split onehand-fkb.c up into smaller files, unless you've an objection Jun 06 22:54:54 ssvb: anyhow, there's no /dev/fb0 when I try to boot it Jun 06 22:55:08 w00t_: sounds good, go for it :) Jun 06 22:55:09 but that could simply be lack of board support Jun 06 22:55:11 files that large make my head hurt Jun 06 22:55:18 w00t_: yeah, same here Jun 06 22:56:15 ssvb: in fact, it almost certainly is. sucks that it's impossible to get display working on N8x0 without CBus Jun 06 22:56:35 another sad problem: OMAP-MMC is broken in mainline too :/ Jun 06 22:59:38 luke-jr: regarding framebuffer, it may be a good idea for N8x0 to try switching to DSS2 (drivers/video/omap2) in the long run Jun 06 23:00:24 ssvb: until CBus, we have nothing.. Jun 06 23:00:26 luke-jr: http://lwn.net/Articles/349545/ Jun 06 23:01:45 luke-jr: Felipe Balbi is doing some work on CBus according to linux-omap git changelogs Jun 06 23:02:12 ssvb: linux-omap != linux-master Jun 06 23:03:32 luke-jr: the work needs to be done *somewhere* before it gets to linux-master Jun 06 23:04:05 ssvb: like a cbus-only branch tracking master Jun 06 23:04:06 luke-jr: would you like it better if nobody was touching this stuff at all? Jun 06 23:04:41 no, just hoping you might know of one Jun 06 23:04:42 :( Jun 06 23:04:55 the DSS2 driver doesn't seem to support the Epson display Jun 06 23:05:24 w00t_: pushed the control file now that gitorious is responding again Jun 06 23:07:47 frals: excellent Jun 06 23:07:47 ta Jun 06 23:17:01 MohammadAG51: u there? I tried to purge the packages and then install 0.7 and it still doesnt work Jun 06 23:17:20 readd the account Jun 06 23:22:24 when i delete the account and create a new one it just says not signed in Jun 06 23:22:30 goes directly to it Jun 06 23:23:26 sure you uninstalled telepathy-haze? Jun 06 23:25:01 I think so but I will do it again to make sure Jun 06 23:27:05 it seems to work with msn and yahoo Jun 06 23:27:07 but not aim Jun 06 23:27:16 i click on sign in and it just stays there Jun 06 23:28:40 it wont go to the next screen Jun 06 23:29:30 hmm Jun 06 23:29:41 i think it's an avahi daemon issue Jun 06 23:29:46 rebooting is the easiest solution Jun 06 23:32:25 ok gonna reboot Jun 06 23:36:47 mc_teo`: let last time be a warning. When you're banned, do not evade the ban. Jun 06 23:40:35 mc_teo`: also, if you ever post referring links ever again, I'll make sure you get lined from freenode as a whole, understood? Jun 06 23:46:16 glad we could agree on that. Jun 06 23:47:11 crashanddie: what referring links? Jun 06 23:47:34 mc_teo``: the website that harvested other people's browsing history Jun 06 23:47:46 mc_teo``: thinking about it, I shouldn't have removed the ban Jun 06 23:47:56 that site just uses a css exploit to check your history for porn sites Jun 06 23:47:56 for the lulz Jun 06 23:48:08 and sends you results Jun 06 23:48:21 yep Jun 06 23:48:29 so I'll be very clear: fuck off with those kind of things, understood? Jun 06 23:48:34 ok Jun 06 23:48:39 script kiddies ftl. Jun 06 23:48:39 ill be good Jun 06 23:48:39 cool, thanks. Jun 06 23:48:56 vldcnst: i am not a skiddie Jun 06 23:49:13 on the chain of evolution, i skipped that link Jun 06 23:49:25 and I'm not human. your point? Jun 06 23:50:03 i sense negative vibes Jun 06 23:50:03 i was simply responding, not starting a new point Jun 06 23:52:36 hello speedevil how are you Jun 06 23:52:44 MohammadAG51: The aim account still won't sign in Jun 06 23:53:26 ohwhyme: Having my network connection sort-of-work again Jun 06 23:54:53 that sounds nice hehe Jun 06 23:54:56 ohwhyme, not really sure, it worked for MSN (same protocol) Jun 06 23:55:17 ah Jun 06 23:55:27 are you the developer? Jun 06 23:55:42 nope Jun 06 23:55:52 i guess 0.8 won't increase my chances hehe Jun 06 23:56:14 lol Jun 06 23:56:21 you disbled devel right? Jun 06 23:59:22 yea Jun 06 23:59:29 on 0.7 right now Jun 07 00:03:36 is there a way to auto save all passwords on website to a prog> Jun 07 00:03:47 llike keepass there addon :) Jun 07 00:06:14 should i update to 0.8? Jun 07 00:09:38 list Jun 07 00:32:04 good morning Jun 07 00:35:45 Good evening Jun 07 00:45:18 Termana: morning Jun 07 00:46:29 Termana: good news: I *might* get the "missing page" of schematics, to know about testpad functions... eventually Jun 07 00:47:01 Oh, theres a missing page from those leaked schematics? Jun 07 00:47:21 obviously there are quite some details missing in the schematics Jun 07 00:48:01 dunno if they were deleted on purpose, or just left out as they're not relevant for 'normal' operation of device Jun 07 00:48:32 The testpad schematics aren't very interesting to servicepeople. Jun 07 00:48:43 As they arlready have the adaptors setup to plug onto them. Jun 07 00:48:50 Ah, well at least I haven't gone totally crazy. Not a great schematic reader, but I read them on the advice of someone on the meego-dev mailing list when I enquired about the serial testpads Jun 07 00:49:01 and yes, probably you could aggregate all those missing details on an additional schematics page, though I doubt such a page exists Jun 07 00:49:16 Of course, I didn't see anything about them, and obviously there was nothing TO see about them Jun 07 00:49:39 you can tell lmited stuff about them. Jun 07 00:49:51 very limited Jun 07 00:50:03 For example - if the UART1 is connected to the modem, it's not likley to be connected to testpads only Jun 07 00:50:36 uart3 seems unused as of the schematics, so it's agood candidate Jun 07 00:50:39 Well again, not a great schematic reader. It doesn't help being 16, not an EE of an sort, and never concerning myself with hardware only software :P Jun 07 00:51:07 yeah - 16 is starting late. Jun 07 00:51:40 Though to be fair - the schematic of the sinclair spectrum was slightly simpler than the n900 :) Jun 07 00:51:42 Termana: that's why we tell you - to prod you and assure you didn't fail because of own incompetence :-D Jun 07 00:51:56 :D Jun 07 00:52:40 also keep up hope for a serial console plug coming eventually Jun 07 00:53:25 if the "secret info" way fails, then I still got a plan-B Jun 07 00:53:41 but it's annoying cumbersome procedure Jun 07 00:53:42 Plan B MAWAHAHAHAHA :P Jun 07 00:55:05 DocScrutinizer, whats that - test each one until you find the right one? Jun 07 00:55:31 btw it's amazing how our 'official' contacts to Nokia fail to acquire such terribly needed info Jun 07 00:55:34 Attach oscilloscope to test pads. Jun 07 00:55:41 Termana: exactly Jun 07 00:55:49 Activate the I2C busses Jun 07 00:55:55 See if there is any traffic Jun 07 00:56:06 repeat with everything that might be brought out Jun 07 00:56:30 though some of the things you won't be able to probe easily as they will be the modem, for which we have no docs Jun 07 00:56:42 SpeedEvil: my approach vould look like 'cat /dev/rnd >/dev/uart3' Jun 07 00:56:52 yeah, that sort of thing Jun 07 00:57:22 And then start feeding in 1.8V logic signals into stuff if you're feeling brave. Jun 07 00:57:48 yeyayau Jun 07 00:57:58 that's the more funny part Jun 07 00:58:28 yeyayau <------ This is DocScrutinizer wetting his pants with excitement :P Jun 07 00:59:13 I'd more prefer to look up GPIO of uart3-tx, and wiggle that pin on primary GPIO function Jun 07 00:59:28 yes Jun 07 00:59:32 that sort of thing too Jun 07 01:00:09 feeding random signal to random testpoint is too brave even for a crazy dog like me :-P Jun 07 01:01:24 but honestly, WHY is Nokia REFUSING TO DISCLOSE such silly simple noncritical info?? >:-( Jun 07 01:03:41 damn, a sinkle line like "J2000: UART3-RX, TX, CTS, RTS // VDD, GND, GND" would be all we need. maybe a nice "Note: 1V8 LV-RS232" Jun 07 01:03:47 single even Jun 07 01:05:11 DocScrutinizer: because it's easier not too Jun 07 01:05:41 I know a little off-topic and everyones a Google/Android hater. But the Googlians had no problem in immediately disclosing that serial was available through the Nexus One USB port on certain pins (they told which pins - I can't remember off the top of my head) Jun 07 01:06:24 Termana: (usb only has 4 pins) (ok 5 pins for otg) Jun 07 01:06:47 asj: except if it's a special 10pole USB receptacle Jun 07 01:07:25 Right, I don't know exactly, its microUSB but I think they said on the V+ and V- (?) pins when there was no 5V power source, serial was available Jun 07 01:07:35 DocScrutinizer: well it's not usb then eh? usb spec defines connectors as well as signal. Jun 07 01:07:38 which is compatible to 5-pole mini/micro, but has additional 5 pins to deliver exactly such proprietary signals Jun 07 01:08:08 ah Jun 07 01:08:18 so what is the question, Termana ? Jun 07 01:08:27 asj: it *is* usb spec conformant, as every conformant plug will match Jun 07 01:08:41 DocScrutinizer: yeah, got it now Jun 07 01:09:02 pupnik, there is no question. We're trying to find out what the correct pins are for serial on the N900 Jun 07 01:09:24 Termana: (V+ / GND) quite possible Jun 07 01:09:30 Sorry, for anyone interested - its on the D+/D- Jun 07 01:09:46 even easier Jun 07 01:10:14 as USB musb core and PHY e.g support such generic UART mode ootb Jun 07 01:10:57 aiui it's even defined in USB specs, as 'car mode' or somesuch nonsense Jun 07 01:12:14 Now if only Nokia was more upfront in disclosure... :P Jun 07 01:12:16 would be easy really for USB since isn't 1.1 slow speed or what ever it's called is 1mhz to 0hz and D+/D- is 0v to 5v? Jun 07 01:12:24 NOLO could do the same, but quite probably they won't implement it - too risky to break the already cumbersome USB charging and whatnot Jun 07 01:13:29 hey people!is there any IRC channel specially to N8x0 or Maemo 4.1 or less? Jun 07 01:13:43 nope Jun 07 01:13:46 DocScrutinizer, of course they could initialise the LCD in NOLO and you could view full kernel booting messages from there (At least, I think thats the case. I think thats was the OpeniBoot people are doing for Android on iPhone) Jun 07 01:13:48 thx Jun 07 01:14:14 how can i get some missing libraries on n810? Jun 07 01:14:27 Termana: theroetically yes Jun 07 01:14:48 Termana: Well - FBCON can be enabled - which gets you 96% of boot Jun 07 01:15:04 but initializing the whole fb stuff is quite a job to do Jun 07 01:15:16 8-) Jun 07 01:15:18 yes Jun 07 01:16:01 I earlier suggested IRDA over the CIR for serial out Jun 07 01:16:04 tuliobaars: wrong time of day Jun 07 01:16:05 so, is there any howto, or nothing? Maemo Talk doesn't help me tough, so Jun 07 01:16:10 why? Jun 07 01:16:14 help for what? Jun 07 01:16:17 oh Jun 07 01:16:39 tuliobaars: ask again in 6..12h Jun 07 01:16:48 It would have been sane to fork a n800 channel in - say - august or so Jun 07 01:16:57 but it wasn't done Jun 07 01:16:57 SpeedEvil, right, but if the kernel has paniced early in the boot process, or you have a bad display driver, you want see messages for FBCON Jun 07 01:17:03 why? (just for some info) Jun 07 01:17:06 Termana: of course. Jun 07 01:17:14 Since I plan to do some kernel work with the n900 - that why I wanted serial access. Jun 07 01:17:28 it will be at 4'o clock at the mornig! Jun 07 01:17:29 tuliobaars: Because it was clear that n900 traffic would swamp any 810 or 800 discissuon Jun 07 01:17:44 Termana: what stuff? Jun 07 01:17:58 tuliobaars: it's 4'o now :-P Jun 07 01:18:03 sorry, but i didn't really know that you have time for everithing Jun 07 01:18:10 here is 22:18 Jun 07 01:18:21 Brasil! Jun 07 01:18:38 well - in about 4-6 hours ago then Jun 07 01:18:45 * SpeedEvil passes tuliobaars a time machine. Jun 07 01:18:53 Well originally I was just going to be rebasing all the code, like the kind of stuff I did in conjection with luke-jr with the n810 Jun 07 01:19:00 But most of it is heading mainline Jun 07 01:19:20 Termana: rebasing what? Jun 07 01:19:29 ah Jun 07 01:20:06 Anyway - I need to get to sleep, or I won't be up tomorrow for an exciting day of nothing. Jun 07 01:20:13 Wave. Jun 07 01:20:25 cya SpeedEvil have a good night and good day of nothing! Jun 07 01:20:27 bye SpeedEvil Jun 07 01:21:43 * DocScrutinizer follows SpeedEvil's example Jun 07 01:23:06 good night DocScrutinizer Jun 07 01:23:40 is it possible for the N900 to be infected with a rootkit,? because i saw something quite suspicious while running 'ps' in a gentoo chroot on mine today *nervous* Jun 07 01:24:58 'Unknown HZ value (69) Assume 100" Jun 07 01:25:07 and all of the tty's show ? Jun 07 01:25:50 older tools get upset by notick Jun 07 01:26:16 notick? Jun 07 01:27:50 tickless kernel Jun 07 01:27:58 seen same on OM kernel Jun 07 01:28:07 doesn't mean anything Jun 07 01:28:33 ah Jun 07 01:44:58 hey if I install the USA or UK pr1.2 images, does that means it won't pull in all those annoying locale packages for every country? any other differences? Jun 07 01:46:04 I broke the thing after trying to upgrade using apt, it was so damn slow because of all those dratted locale packages. Jun 07 01:46:30 yeah annoying that Jun 07 01:46:32 the should just put all the languages together in one package and be done with it, it's not like a little bit of text takes much storage anyway Jun 07 01:47:08 you could pin packages for languages you dont want Jun 07 01:47:20 I'm in australia, I guess the USA package would be best for me if I want to use just English / avoid those pacakges. Jun 07 01:47:57 sswam: usa emmc has a ton of videos afaik Jun 07 01:48:16 it's stuck in a reboot loop, I wish there was some way to avoid reflashing it as it was a lot of work setting it up the way I want :( Jun 07 01:48:29 what sort of videos, is that good or bad? Jun 07 01:49:00 sswam: just 1.some gigs to dl and delete Jun 07 01:49:06 like "how to use your n900" or "spam from various ISPs" Jun 07 01:50:43 I only see the one emmc image, which is about 256 Mb, and the various rootfs images which is about 180Mb, so I don't know where you get Gbs from Jun 07 01:50:58 ah nm then Jun 07 01:51:07 the USA rootfs image is only 130K bigger than the global one Jun 07 01:51:27 it should be smaller really if they don't have locale packages, so maybe there's a bit of spam in there. Jun 07 01:53:14 notice american use of hyperbole Jun 07 01:54:27 Hyperbole is a great American pastime Jun 07 01:54:32 Wait, what? Jun 07 01:55:30 :) dunno nm Jun 07 02:08:47 if I flash just the fiasco image (rootfs) it should leave my /home/ data there, right? Jun 07 02:23:45 what's it called to create a plugin button to contacts app? Jun 07 02:24:01 like the merge duplicate contacts Jun 07 02:25:12 waw Jun 07 02:25:18 so many people Jun 07 02:25:41 ^^ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 07 02:59:56 2010