**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 27 02:59:56 2010 Jun 27 03:23:43 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10781 Jun 27 03:23:43 Bug 10781: Official Bluetooth Keyboard Support Jun 27 03:23:48 seriously ? :) Jun 27 03:23:52 vague? Jun 27 03:24:35 i don't understand the need to fill out a 10 page form as well for something as simple as "add bluetooth keyboard support in control panel" Jun 27 03:24:53 no wait... Jun 27 03:24:59 i don't understand the need to fill out a 10 page form as well for something as simple as "add bluetooth keyboard support in control panel in maemo 5" Jun 27 03:25:02 haha Jun 27 03:26:47 :| Jun 27 03:27:01 tristan: did you manage to get an irssi build with perl support? Jun 27 03:27:28 i immediately forgot after i said it. Jun 27 03:27:40 i cant imagine it being an issue, though. Jun 27 03:27:44 DocScrutinizer: actually just busy with lots of real life crap Jun 27 03:27:51 i just started ssh'ing to my other session:p Jun 27 03:31:23 Submit a bug against the correct component, with an enhancement request Macer. Jun 27 03:31:40 That way it can be properly considered, and marked invalid much more efficiently. Jun 27 03:34:15 SpeedEvil: what would be the correct component for that bug? Jun 27 03:39:25 dunno Jun 27 03:39:27 input? Jun 27 03:39:29 X? Jun 27 03:41:53 hildon-setup Jun 27 03:43:51 oh - true Jun 27 04:01:21 Hi! I'm curious, is 'patch' available for Fremantle? Jun 27 04:05:36 ebzzry: diffutils-gnu should contain it, i think Jun 27 04:06:29 arachnist: let me check Jun 27 04:06:53 arachnist: it doesn't Jun 27 04:11:53 ii patch 2.5.9-2 Apply a diff file to an original Jun 27 04:12:07 it has its own package. Jun 27 04:12:28 ptl: I tried searching in -devel and -testing but I still can't find it Jun 27 04:12:51 ptl: What repo are you using for that? Jun 27 04:13:29 ptl: Anyway, I'm using jebba's freemoe repo for now Jun 27 04:13:30 [user@n900 user]% grep 'Package: patch' /var/lib/apt/lists/* Jun 27 04:13:33 grep: /var/lib/apt/lists/lock: Permission denied Jun 27 04:13:36 /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_fremantle_sdk_free_binary-armel_Packages:Package: patch Jun 27 04:13:38 /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_dists_fremantle_sdk_free_binary-armel_Packages:Package: patchutils Jun 27 04:13:41 sdk Jun 27 04:14:18 fremantle/sdk Jun 27 04:53:08 hello, is there a way to change the color schema of the xterm in fremantle? Jun 27 04:54:45 ok found it Jun 27 04:54:49 I got it to work, a daemon in python that reads the SMS aloud :D Jun 27 04:55:00 nexcell: how?? Jun 27 04:55:18 nexcell: did you manage to fix the 'grey' that appears as 'black' bug? Jun 27 04:56:19 ptl uh? Jun 27 04:56:35 i don't know this bug... Jun 27 04:56:56 nexcell, there is such a bug... there is one color in the color scheme of the N900 that appears incorrectly. Anyway, what did you find? Jun 27 04:57:45 anyway, in the change font option of the terminal there are 2 color pickers, one of them is for the font, the other is for the bg Jun 27 04:57:59 oh... this Jun 27 04:58:11 I thought you were talking about the whole color scheme of xterm indeed Jun 27 04:58:37 ptl just need a terminal whit black bg and light gray fonts Jun 27 04:58:42 :) Jun 27 04:59:00 Yep, I also use it that way. Don't forget to set "background=dark" in your ~/.vimrc ! Jun 27 05:02:02 done, thanks for the suggestion Jun 27 05:03:21 * magic_silver_box slaps nexcell around a bit with a large trout Jun 27 05:03:45 low battery... and breackfast time, bye all Jun 27 05:03:51 * magic_silver_box slaps nexcell around a bit with a large trout Jun 27 05:45:26 does anyone know if it's possible to use several bluetooth headsets with the same phone simultaneously? i.e. if several people in the same room want to be on the same phone call without having to use a *&#^*#&$ speakerphone Jun 27 06:22:39 I doubt that is currently possible. sounds feasible though if someone were to implement it, though :) Jun 27 06:29:02 I doubt that's possible, as BT has no protocol for that. I means, the audio is a twoway, so who's going to do the mixing for microphone? (let alone there's probably also ACKs etc for the outbound audio, pushbutton events to receive and dunno what) - won't work Jun 27 06:29:39 DocScrutinizer: ... Jun 27 06:29:59 just connect them all to indepedent Asterisk or FreeSWITCH channels and throw them in a conference Jun 27 06:30:48 mhm. Never heard of BT<->* Jun 27 06:32:05 luke-jr: my point is the BT-transceiver in N900 can not do this Jun 27 06:32:25 why not? Jun 27 06:32:29 as BT is a point2point by design Jun 27 06:32:35 so have many points Jun 27 06:32:42 no need for it to be p2p Jun 27 06:32:54 * DocScrutinizer YAWNS Jun 27 06:35:53 sure, connect a hub to hostmode, plug in 4 BT dongles to that hub, and probably you can connect 5 headsets to N900, if you manage to setup the drivers and managing software (PA etc) correctly Jun 27 06:36:16 and each of the dongles wil even find a free channel for his RF Jun 27 06:36:37 ... Jun 27 06:36:47 N900 can only do a single BT peer at a time? Jun 27 06:37:15 BT is a point2point protocol by design afaik. Said before Jun 27 06:38:13 you possibly can *switch* between different far end peers, but you never can concurrently talk to them Jun 27 06:38:43 so it's impossible to have a bluetooth keyboard and mouse with a single dongle? Jun 27 06:38:45 I doubt that Jun 27 06:39:28 I'd say that's exactly the point. As long as you move your mouse you'll not be able to type on the kbd Jun 27 06:40:19 the computer doesn't know when I move the mouse unless it remains connected Jun 27 06:40:22 same w/ keys pressed Jun 27 06:40:25 I even doubt if it's possible at all to pair to a bt-kbd and mouse same time Jun 27 06:40:28 therefore, the computer must be connected to both concurrently Jun 27 06:40:55 DocScrutinizer: honestly, if that is true, Bluetooth is worthless crap Jun 27 06:41:10 if each device needs its own dongle, they might as well use arbitrary proprietary protocols Jun 27 06:41:16 luke-jr: please, show me a paper or RFC or sth stating it's possible, then we continue this talk Jun 27 06:41:33 no need to continue it Jun 27 06:41:41 if it's not possible, Bluetooth is worthless Jun 27 06:41:43 nothing more to say Jun 27 06:42:22 BT probably has no collision detection OTA, nor any bandwidth management or arbitration Jun 27 06:42:37 your mosue will exclusively occupy the channel Jun 27 06:43:08 it might free the channel as soon as it doesn't move, giving opportunity for the kbd to kick in Jun 27 06:43:31 BT != WLAN Jun 27 06:43:47 also, if it were true, you'd see laptops with multiple BT channels builtin Jun 27 06:43:53 but I'm talking out my ass, no idea honestly Jun 27 06:44:24 AFAIK, BT is a low-power, short-range WLAN with protocols beyond IP Jun 27 06:45:27 well, just try it Jun 27 06:46:14 I only have two Bluetooth things total Jun 27 06:46:17 N810 and N900 Jun 27 06:46:55 Wikipedia's summary says it "can connect several devices" Jun 27 06:47:45 "A master Bluetooth device can communicate with up to seven devices in a Wireless User Group. This network group of up to eight devices is called a piconet. The devices can switch roles, by agreement, and the slave can become the master at any time." Jun 27 06:48:30 mhm, and can it do broadcast? Jun 27 06:48:43 "Simultaneous transmission from the master to multiple other devices is possible via broadcast mode, but not used much." Jun 27 06:48:52 cause broadcast is exactly what you need for concurrent headsets Jun 27 06:48:57 not really Jun 27 06:49:02 time splicing should work fine Jun 27 06:49:12 yep Jun 27 06:49:43 I doubt it's implemented for SCP though, and for sure not for A2DP Jun 27 06:50:42 it's all software Jun 27 06:50:57 yes, but in this case it's firmware Jun 27 06:51:11 the only real difference being Nokia not allowing us to modify it Jun 27 06:51:47 from all I learnt it's possible not even Nokia *has* the firmware sources Jun 27 06:52:15 perhaps, but they decided which chip to use ;) Jun 27 06:52:24 check the datasheet of the BT chip, and you'll be wiser Jun 27 06:52:28 anyhow, I need to go to bed Jun 27 06:52:33 me as well Jun 27 06:52:36 and I don't really care about Bluetooth for obvious reasons Jun 27 06:52:43 hehe Jun 27 06:52:59 night Jun 27 06:53:03 night Jun 27 07:15:55 hi Jun 27 07:48:02 any good free alternative for that mobile maps? specially for biking Jun 27 07:48:09 theres plenty of those geo things :| Jun 27 07:57:33 hello punks Jun 27 07:57:57 pff :> Jun 27 08:04:34 moo, raster Jun 27 08:05:13 raster: doing any projects on maemo or meego btw? Jun 27 08:16:17 Do I need some specific settings when using QT Designer for designing to the n900? I guess I'd need to make it 800x480, right? Jun 27 08:17:46 I can see, when choosing a new form, it has got a groupbox called "Embedded Design" and then "Device", but I can't change the device. Jun 27 08:17:52 RST38h: nope Jun 27 08:18:18 MAKE IT BIG Jun 27 08:18:18 RST38h: well other than i made usre evas's gl-es engine works - well minus gl-es driver bugs Jun 27 08:18:22 (in maemo) Jun 27 08:18:27 i lost my maemosdk Jun 27 08:18:44 i tried re-installing t and the install scripts fail on ubuntu 10.04 in vmware Jun 27 08:18:53 so i gave up for now - too much pain Jun 27 08:23:27 raster, read the ubuntu 10.04 troubleshooting notes in Jun 27 08:23:33 infobot, maemosdk Jun 27 08:23:34 i heard maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Jun 27 08:25:03 Hi! What are the key differences between flasher-3.5's '-F' and '-r' switches? Jun 27 08:25:32 raster: I have 10.4 with maemosdk+ Jun 27 08:25:36 MohammadAG51: i'm in no hurry. i'm busy enough :) Jun 27 08:25:58 raster: it installs without scripts. let me know if you need help. Jun 27 08:26:12 screew the + version :P Jun 27 08:26:30 raster, it's only two commands you lazy arse :P Jun 27 08:26:43 sdk+ is order of magnitude saner than the first version Jun 27 08:27:00 MohammadAG51: i have to boot up vmware and stop debugging something else Jun 27 08:27:02 :) Jun 27 08:27:02 scratchbox is fine for me Jun 27 08:27:12 raster, multitask :p Jun 27 08:27:40 (sb) till i deleted /scratchbox/* and /dev was binded to it somewhere Jun 27 08:30:16 ah shit, internet uplink is down Jun 27 08:30:44 * RST38h forced to use n900 for internet. With gprs. Jun 27 08:31:31 trouble, trouble... Jun 27 08:31:39 gprs ftwq Jun 27 08:31:41 -q Jun 27 08:55:44 is there anyway to stop the browser opening bookmark page at startup Jun 27 08:55:52 and instead open homepage Jun 27 08:56:18 probably a about:config change? Jun 27 09:00:38 Ahhaha! It is back! Jun 27 10:06:54 Hello Jun 27 10:07:03 I wonder what is making my phone lagging like hell? Jun 27 10:07:23 DrGrov: reboot once? Jun 27 10:07:37 It has started to happen more often now this damn lagging Jun 27 10:07:37 open apps ? possibly leaking memory Jun 27 10:07:43 No open apps Jun 27 10:07:50 DrGrov: widgets are apps too Jun 27 10:07:55 DrGrov: it lags after some days uptime Jun 27 10:08:07 DrGrov: how many might depend on usage.. Jun 27 10:08:08 the Facebook (Failbook) widget is a well known culprit Jun 27 10:08:17 valdyn: bull Jun 27 10:08:21 Ikarus: no Jun 27 10:08:22 But it started to lag today after the phone was off last night and I turned it on today Jun 27 10:08:27 valdyn: my N900 has been on for 3 weeks now Jun 27 10:08:37 Ikarus: i said "depend on usage" Jun 27 10:08:53 valdyn: no, there is NOTHING inherit in the N900 that will cause it to lag after days of uptime Jun 27 10:09:07 it's just that some widgets and other third party apps are broken and leak memory Jun 27 10:09:07 Ikarus: how would you know that? Jun 27 10:09:10 So I wonder could it be that fucking Conversations Inbox Widget that is lagging my system down to the point that it leaves a trace of the closed app on the desktop even? Jun 27 10:09:22 valdyn: because I am monitoring if anything is increasing memory usage Jun 27 10:09:22 Ikarus: its not a secret that linux kernel has memory fragmenting issues at that version Jun 27 10:09:40 DrGrov: widgets are actual running apps Jun 27 10:09:54 Ikarus: ah so it is that widget that is fucking up my phone. Jun 27 10:09:59 DrGrov: quite possibly Jun 27 10:09:59 time to remove it and reboot Jun 27 10:10:12 that is the last fucking time I install any widgets Jun 27 10:10:55 DrGrov: most aren't problematic, but some just.... Jun 27 10:11:05 ok, i will remove it now to see what happens. Jun 27 10:11:07 most commonly reported is battery drain due to the Facebook one Jun 27 10:11:17 perhaps it should become more stable directly after removing the widget? Jun 27 10:11:26 DrGrov: in theory it should Jun 27 10:12:42 Ikarus: but indeed i cannot see memory leaking either Jun 27 10:12:54 Ikarus: nothing, I need to do a reboot... Jun 27 10:13:56 DrGrov: btw, note that those little widgets in the menu you can also set online status in, wifi connection, etc, are also backed by running apps Jun 27 10:15:00 Ikarus: now the phone is working like it should Jun 27 10:15:10 So tired Jun 27 10:15:12 easy to remove the Conversations Inbox and replace it with Conversations Jun 27 10:27:19 seems like a homeless man living in garbage made android 2.2 work on the n900 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U46e_VYANWs&feature=player_embedded#! Jun 27 10:35:09 Morning, all Jun 27 10:35:27 moin Jun 27 10:35:51 TomaszD: now all we need is to get phonet and powervr working Jun 27 10:49:20 Can someone tell me how to disable flashblock in the n900's browser? Jun 27 10:49:32 There's no sign of it in the extension settins :\ Jun 27 10:49:36 g* Jun 27 10:49:38 dregin: uninstall it? :P Jun 27 10:52:41 TomaszD: Are you sure that the guy is homeless? Jun 27 10:53:11 Hrm, I was going to write a Twitter Telepathy plugin, but I've just realised I don't use Twitter at all ... Jun 27 10:53:21 I don't even have an account .. Jun 27 10:54:43 I wonder how tell a guy living as homeless is even thinking about buying a N900.... Jun 27 10:54:52 Why not put the money on finding an apartment etc.?? Jun 27 10:55:18 lol, people are really desperate to get a working ninty 64 emu. :P Jun 27 10:55:59 well, i would not complain if i got one but it's not like i "must have" it as seen from some from tmo Jun 27 10:57:00 I am pretty sure that that guy is homeless Jun 27 10:57:07 All the videos have the exact same background Jun 27 10:57:17 He explains in the first comment. :p Jun 27 10:58:32 DrGrov: Getting != buying. :) Jun 27 10:58:38 sup all Jun 27 10:58:47 And he ripped that N900 off the first geek he could find at the street Jun 27 10:58:58 lol Jun 27 10:59:10 ech0Asus: Nothing much - PR1.4 just got released, and it's based on windows 95. Jun 27 10:59:10 FauxFaux: Explains that he is homeless? Jun 27 10:59:26 what win95 based lol yea right Jun 27 10:59:34 gui look like it or somethin? Jun 27 10:59:36 I can't see that comment Jun 27 10:59:48 DrGrov: explains that what you see is one of these wierd and secretive things called a "bin" Jun 27 11:00:01 win95 based... Jun 27 11:00:04 lol Jun 27 11:00:09 Now I see the comment Jun 27 11:00:21 This guy has to be either a genius or completely insane Jun 27 11:00:42 and what will PR1.5 give, PS3 fullspeed? ;) Jun 27 11:01:25 so whats meago lookin' like for the n900? Jun 27 11:01:49 find out in 3 days Jun 27 11:01:57 cool Jun 27 11:02:44 FredrIQ: It will give you working Media Player applet Jun 27 11:02:52 If we are lucky Jun 27 11:02:54 the moblin gui is nice Jun 27 11:03:32 didn't they merge with meego or somethin? Jun 27 11:04:35 They called "Moblin" "Meego". Jun 27 11:04:44 moblin base, maemo UI Jun 27 11:04:45 IIRC Jun 27 11:04:58 Qt UI Jun 27 11:05:04 There will not be "Maemo UI" Jun 27 11:05:30 interesting so a new UI? Jun 27 11:05:52 er Jun 27 11:05:54 ofc Jun 27 11:05:58 * FredrIQ is tired Jun 27 11:05:58 i'm guessing it will be similar to the design of the moblin interface on the netbook just chopped up and down sized for the n900? Jun 27 11:06:04 Ah, beautiful! Mozilla has broken its own browser by making "safe execution environment" for Flash. Jun 27 11:06:16 Anyone knows how I can disable this misfeature? Jun 27 11:06:40 Hopefully you can't. Jun 27 11:06:56 Hopefully, I can, until they fix it Jun 27 11:07:15 Fix it by releasing 3.6.6? Jun 27 11:07:33 * RST38h does not care how Mozilla fixes its products Jun 27 11:08:26 try chrome or opera :) Jun 27 11:08:33 Thank you. Jun 27 11:08:49 i really like chromium.. Jun 27 11:09:05 i don't even use firefox except for on my desktop now Jun 27 11:09:29 freaking plugin-container... Jun 27 11:09:32 microb is great for the n900 tried the firefox on it.. it sux.. Jun 27 11:09:33 What if I delete it? Jun 27 11:09:53 Hey VDVsx, a newly appointed Nokia henchman =) Jun 27 11:11:18 hey RST38h , lol, not yet :P Jun 27 11:12:28 * RST38h killed the evil plugin-container dead Jun 27 11:13:02 Things back to normal: GMail fully works and the computer does not lock up when playing flash Jun 27 11:15:48 Moblin is looking really really freaking beautiful! Jun 27 11:15:55 I am perhaps in love with Moblin Jun 27 11:16:15 When'll you propose then? Jun 27 11:16:55 yeah moblin is nice even ubuntu is tryin to swagga jack them with some moblin remix of karmic Jun 27 11:16:57 RST38h: i am not sure yet, i need a big fat wedding ring first Jun 27 11:17:16 Drill a hole through you N900? =) Jun 27 11:17:16 I do hope the N900 will get Moblin as well Jun 27 11:17:26 it will get meego Jun 27 11:17:37 Moblin == Meego for all practicalpurposes Jun 27 11:17:49 yeah will have a dif ui right? Jun 27 11:17:49 Ah, so Moblin and Meego is literally the same thing? Jun 27 11:18:02 Meego was really beautiful as well Jun 27 11:18:06 i figured similar just chopped up and sized down for the n900 Jun 27 11:18:30 It is nice to finally have a device that can evolve during time and not be a regular device with limited possibilities Jun 27 11:18:42 I gotta get my fiancee a new phone soon as well Jun 27 11:18:51 She likes the N97 but still, always better to get a better phone Jun 27 11:19:11 the n900 isn't for everyone Jun 27 11:21:07 Has anyone seen app manager ecome confused about free space? Jun 27 11:21:22 It won't install stuff though /opt is only 95% full Jun 27 11:21:41 hmm Jun 27 11:22:30 I think she will be happy with the N97 and get perhaps a high-end Nokia later. Perhaps not the N900 but something similar, most definitely touch screen. Jun 27 11:22:34 ah - right Jun 27 11:22:37 95% limit Jun 27 11:22:38 not insane Jun 27 11:22:54 I am feeling really confident that Nokia will gain much needed market shares when N900 becomes even bigger and better and faster Jun 27 11:23:08 it wont Jun 27 11:23:12 ech0Asus: yes, you are absolutely right. the N900 is not the phone for everyone. Jun 27 11:23:21 nidO: it won't? why not? Jun 27 11:23:35 I want a 6GHz 35" n900 Jun 27 11:23:48 DrGrov: Ah you are so obviously incorrect! Jun 27 11:23:49 SpeedEvil: I would prefer my desktop computer specs on the N900 Jun 27 11:24:04 RST38h: incorrect? ah of course, perhaps just I STFU then Jun 27 11:24:07 Drgrov: Nokia has missed its chance to world domination when it has not bought Palm! Jun 27 11:24:24 RST38h: perhaps, perhaps not. time will tell what happens. Jun 27 11:24:26 the N900 isnt going to explode into popularity, the device is 8 months old, it's old hat. the vast majority of people that will ever have them already have them, and it's likely to (at best) just get a mostly-functioning port of meego Jun 27 11:24:35 Imagine that: A bigger, better, faster N900 running wonderful PalmOS! Jun 27 11:24:49 PalmOS == Confidence! Jun 27 11:25:08 nidO: no, I do not mean popularity necessarily. I mean the the current owners of the N900 will finally feel good about a Nokia phone. Jun 27 11:25:14 (and of course I mean the original PalmOS) Jun 27 11:25:31 anyone that's not happy with the n900 as it is now isnt going to get any happier Jun 27 11:25:54 nid0: mushrooms. Jun 27 11:26:10 quite the opposite in fact, when meego turns out to look amazing and fantabulous and all the things maemo isnt, theyll get even more pissed off that there'll be no official nokia release of it for the n900. Jun 27 11:26:25 nidO: not really Jun 27 11:26:27 Well there is still hope DELL will buy Nokia and use its expertise to build phones with PalmOS Jun 27 11:26:35 nidO: most people realised it was an experimental phone Jun 27 11:26:43 no, they really dont. Jun 27 11:26:45 DrGrov, I don't know, doesn't it look like a total dumpster to you in the videos? and the dirty fingernails? Jun 27 11:27:02 those of us with an ounce of intelligence do, but that doesnt describe the majority of the userbase. Jun 27 11:27:46 TomaszD: yes, I figured that out after watching a few more of his videos Jun 27 11:27:47 Is there a way to get apt-* to tell me if a package is installed? Jun 27 11:28:19 dpkg -l Jun 27 11:28:36 ah-thank Jun 27 11:28:37 s Jun 27 11:28:46 nid0: Those of us with intelligence know that the phone is not smart unless it is running PalmOS Jun 27 11:29:11 Besides, PalmOS is your ONLY chance to get a phone with the 1280x1280 display. Jun 27 11:33:13 How is LG phones working out these days? Jun 27 11:37:56 hello everyone! Jun 27 11:38:02 [13:29:09] Besides, PalmOS is your ONLY chance to get a phone with the 1280x1280 display. Jun 27 11:38:05 why's that? Jun 27 11:38:12 RST38h, PalmOS is very slow :P Jun 27 11:38:22 the device lock... where I can I change the times for the auto lock? 1 hour is to short for me Jun 27 11:38:29 RST38h, the pre takes several minutes to boot Jun 27 11:38:36 hildon-desktop can scale to higher resolutions Jun 27 11:41:39 can I do that; change the auto lock times? Jun 27 11:43:44 MohammadAG: Consider it a homework. Jun 27 11:43:46 ham5, settings/display backlight timeout Jun 27 11:44:05 VDVsx: Just means you need multiple overclocked cores to boot PalmOS fast Jun 27 11:44:21 VDVsx: And of course use the original, good PalmOS Jun 27 11:44:31 RST38h, heh, check youtube, hd already runs on a laptop Jun 27 11:44:37 * lcuk yawns and clicks kettle on Jun 27 11:44:42 morning #maemo \o Jun 27 11:44:47 mourning lcuk Jun 27 11:45:07 * MohammadAG51 leaks an episode of Dr. Who for lcuk Jun 27 11:45:14 MohammadAG51, I've tried hd in some lenove touchscreen laptop, works very well Jun 27 11:45:25 MohammadAG51, end of series - i have to wait till christmas now! Jun 27 11:45:30 think there a video of the same laptop on youtube :P Jun 27 11:45:39 lcuk, that's what they want you to think Jun 27 11:45:43 which remidns me Jun 27 11:46:02 VDVsx, lol Jun 27 11:46:11 sand still in random places \@/ Jun 27 11:47:01 brb Jun 27 11:47:06 :D Jun 27 11:47:36 I want more then an hour tho Jun 27 11:47:42 and thats the max it goes up too Jun 27 11:48:18 surly there is something in /etc Jun 27 11:48:49 for the device lock Jun 27 11:50:09 ham5, yeah i remember an extension package on n810 that did that Jun 27 11:50:15 it added extra items to the combo Jun 27 11:50:34 kinda defeats the purpose of auto lock though :P Jun 27 11:50:39 * lcuk cannot remember how or what it was tho, i aint had enough coffee yet Jun 27 11:50:45 MohammadAG51, not really Jun 27 11:51:18 my device doesn't idle for 30 minutes.. Jun 27 11:51:19 extension package :\ sounds like what I need to... n900 tho :) Jun 27 11:52:56 what's the settings app called? Jun 27 11:53:43 :) Jun 27 11:53:49 never thought about that even being an app Jun 27 11:53:49 * SpeedEvil worked out how to free space. Jun 27 11:54:08 WE HAVE FLASH 10.1 I REPEAT FLASH 10.1 Jun 27 11:54:13 A script to find packages installed that have exceeded the QA threshold in extras-testing, or I have voted on. Jun 27 11:54:48 hmm Jun 27 11:54:58 this fails on stuff that's moved off the queue page I guess. Jun 27 11:57:41 anyone one fancy testing my new version? It's in testing, had loads of issues with 0.3 but 0.4 I've been using for a day and it's been pretty good :) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.4/?net_nemein_favourites_execute=fav&net_nemein_favourites_execute_for=45f7c22481dd11dfb8efc3127326bea7bea7&net_nemein_favourites_url=/json/fav/org_maemo_packages_package_instance/45f7c22481dd1 Jun 27 11:57:51 woah, don't click that! Jun 27 11:57:54 :D Jun 27 11:58:47 It's OK - go ahead and click - then you just need to click the 'thumbs down' button after, and it's good. Jun 27 11:58:48 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.4/ Jun 27 11:58:53 thass the link :) Jun 27 12:02:05 battery must only last u 2 hours im'ing and listing to music Jun 27 12:04:44 apt-get install 20cigs Jun 27 12:06:02 apt-get --purge autoremove lcuk Jun 27 12:06:09 Hmm. Jun 27 12:06:23 The GPRS data counter does not update for tethering. Jun 27 12:06:36 MohammadAG51, ! Jun 27 12:07:03 lcuk, what, i ran it as user Jun 27 12:07:05 I understand this would be tricky to do, but it's annoying. Jun 27 12:10:06 gahhhh AV scan is still running on windows machine Jun 27 12:10:13 it started at 4am (now 1pm) Jun 27 12:10:25 LOL Jun 27 12:11:55 system log shows multiple red disk failures? ;) Jun 27 12:13:02 MohammadAG51, http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg09365.html Jun 27 12:13:43 nahh joga just immense thing and im not normally up this early to notice it still takes this long ;) Jun 27 12:15:18 lcuk: Did you still want to see the original mail to Nokia? Jun 27 12:15:31 lcuk, he asked aout autolock (with code), not autodim Jun 27 12:15:34 :) Jun 27 12:16:32 jaffa we should shouldnt we? Jun 27 12:17:24 nice! its found tracking cookies in multiple backup files taken from my devices over the years Jun 27 12:17:33 * lcuk has never paid attention to what AV scan finds Jun 27 12:18:10 MohammadAG51, but if the screen stays on the autolock does not happen Jun 27 12:18:17 lcuk: Didn't want to over-complicate the post, since it's not a tit-for-tat email exchange being published; it's an official statement for publication included as part of an email exchange. Jun 27 12:19:31 sure i know in context to this post, i was just curious when i see only one side of a posting Jun 27 12:20:28 leave it for now, but it would be something to consider in other communication perhaps? Jun 27 12:20:39 nice! its found tracking cookies in multiple backup files taken from my devices over the years Jun 27 12:20:42 lol :p Jun 27 12:21:16 fiq i guess it finds them every week Jun 27 12:21:35 hrh Jun 27 12:21:36 hopefully it doesnt try to extract them from my data Jun 27 12:21:40 heh* Jun 27 12:21:46 ..lol :P Jun 27 12:21:58 Tracking cookies! How dangerous! Jun 27 12:22:24 yeah i should add a rolleyes widget Jun 27 12:22:25 Remove immediatly or it will destroy your... private surfing at that page? Jun 27 12:22:32 oh, i have one :D Jun 27 12:23:21 book reader works nicely now i added some keys for autoscrolling and paging up/dow Jun 27 12:23:33 * lcuk read himself to sleep last night Jun 27 12:23:59 * lcuk will put front cover and select on it Jun 27 12:26:10 lcuk: Live rotation. Jun 27 12:26:24 SpeedEvil, of what? Jun 27 12:26:32 * lcuk knows all about live rotation Jun 27 12:26:42 lcuk: Rotate the text according to the accel - with reflow - at 30fps. Jun 27 12:26:43 but cant do it from everything just yet Jun 27 12:26:57 SpeedEvil, line clipping screws with your eyes Jun 27 12:27:05 as the line length changes it will destroy you Jun 27 12:27:19 and reflowing a 15000line document is not trivial Jun 27 12:27:27 Bah - boring insistance on text being at 90 degrees! Jun 27 12:27:29 (it takes ~0.1 second) Jun 27 12:27:58 SpeedEvil, you saw beyond portrait video? Jun 27 12:28:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q Jun 27 12:28:28 Unsure Jun 27 12:28:41 that is feasible technically - rotating the cells in a grid - and continuing scrolling Jun 27 12:28:59 i even have an algorithm in mind for listing them and continuing without skipping a beat Jun 27 12:29:19 :) Jun 27 12:29:21 neat Jun 27 12:30:06 but expanding that to work with images and text was a little more difficult Jun 27 12:30:20 i couldnt get motivated to make a proper rotozoom Jun 27 12:30:46 i do now have an optimised bitmap rotator for 90degrees tho :) Jun 27 12:31:04 so i can just do liqbasey stuff in portrait :) Jun 27 12:32:11 Jaffa, seen doctor who? Jun 27 12:34:40 lcuk: Yup :) Jun 27 12:34:55 o_O indeed :D Jun 27 12:35:27 the sheer dramatic opera of last weeks was most outstanding :D Jun 27 12:42:54 * Jaffa nods Jun 27 12:55:01 where should i put the apk file to install in on nitdroid? Jun 27 12:55:17 #nitdroid-help Jun 27 12:55:31 who talked to you :P Jun 27 13:08:01 holy crap Jun 27 13:08:16 someone matched the total donations for decoders support Jun 27 13:09:15 hello folks Jun 27 13:09:34 im having some "problems" with the usb connection on my N900 Jun 27 13:09:43 hope you can help me Jun 27 13:09:55 when i connect the cable to N900 Jun 27 13:10:05 and choose Mass Storage mode Jun 27 13:10:16 everything works nice Jun 27 13:10:26 i mount the partition on my Linux Box Jun 27 13:10:41 everythink work as suposed Jun 27 13:10:59 but when i want to stop Jun 27 13:11:05 mass storage mode Jun 27 13:11:18 the icon on status bar menu Jun 27 13:11:27 doesnt allow me Jun 27 13:11:37 so, the only i have to get out Jun 27 13:11:43 of Mass Storage mode Jun 27 13:11:51 is to unplug de cable Jun 27 13:12:04 any one of you have de same problem? Jun 27 13:12:16 *the same Jun 27 13:12:49 s1gk1ll, isnt that normal? Jun 27 13:12:59 s1gk1ll, you unmount the n900 from your linux box, not from the n900 Jun 27 13:13:01 i never knew of a way to disable it any other way Jun 27 13:13:03 this is normal Jun 27 13:13:24 well, some of my friends Jun 27 13:13:25 you can only mount it from the n900 if you have chosen to use chargin only Jun 27 13:13:33 can change de mode to charging only Jun 27 13:13:44 without unpluging the cable Jun 27 13:13:48 no, they can only do it the other way around Jun 27 13:14:02 and they unmount the n900 from the pc Jun 27 13:14:23 i do unmount the partition Jun 27 13:14:35 but the N900 continues in Mass Storage Jun 27 13:15:15 some people told me that it is possible to change to Charging Only Mode by clicking on the USB icon Jun 27 13:15:23 available on Status Bar menu... Jun 27 13:15:53 it's not even a button, so no, you can't do that. Jun 27 13:16:13 its not a button in the status bar Jun 27 13:16:26 but if you enter in the status bar menu Jun 27 13:16:40 its a button there related to USB Jun 27 13:16:54 once you're in mass storage it seizes to be a button, it only shows the status, look closer Jun 27 13:17:22 yes, thats the problem Jun 27 13:17:33 when you are in charging only mode Jun 27 13:17:39 s1gk1ll, how do your friends do it? Jun 27 13:17:46 * lcuk just unplugs and replugs cable Jun 27 13:18:05 my friends click on the icon inside de status bar menu Jun 27 13:18:09 and change the mode Jun 27 13:18:13 to charging only Jun 27 13:18:16 I don't know, I'm getting a feeling you got trolled and in turn we are getting trolled now s1gk1ll Jun 27 13:18:20 without unplugging Jun 27 13:18:27 lol Jun 27 13:18:36 ok thn TomaszD Jun 27 13:18:40 *ok then Jun 27 13:18:46 s1gk1ll, they are using n900s? Jun 27 13:18:54 or are we talking some other device Jun 27 13:18:57 lol, of course Jun 27 13:19:09 ok, nevermind Jun 27 13:19:27 just checking if it was only my "problem" Jun 27 13:19:28 from what I can tell, this is by design, and if you want to disable mass storage you have to re-plug the cable Jun 27 13:19:39 ok ok Jun 27 13:19:45 it could probably be hacked together (and might actually exist somewhere Jun 27 13:19:48 thats what i've been doing Jun 27 13:19:56 but thats kinda stupid Jun 27 13:20:25 I'm guessing this is because they want you to be responsible for flushing any incoming data onto the device before disabling mass storage, so that you don't end up with corrupt data Jun 27 13:20:49 hmm, i see Jun 27 13:21:03 ok tks ;) Jun 27 13:21:07 np Jun 27 13:24:59 (somehow I don't think you got what I just said ;) ) Jun 27 13:27:04 talking to me TomaszD ? Jun 27 13:27:10 yep Jun 27 13:27:15 what you mean? Jun 27 13:27:45 about how problematic it would potentially be to be able to disable mass storage from the device Jun 27 13:28:04 I never really thought about it too Jun 27 13:28:30 yes, understood it Jun 27 13:28:35 ok Jun 27 13:29:17 anyway usb is not my main transfer mode Jun 27 13:29:28 i use scp Jun 27 13:29:36 its slower i know Jun 27 13:30:01 I only hook it up via usb to pull my gpx tracks off of it, not much more Jun 27 13:30:12 I guess I could use ssh too Jun 27 13:30:18 sure Jun 27 13:31:28 alright, let's test this media im status updater, looks intriguing Jun 27 13:32:05 the only IM i use is irc Jun 27 13:32:30 I idle at jabber, gtalk, skype and ovi Jun 27 13:32:38 although I've no ide why ovi Jun 27 13:33:17 ah, this new thing with PR1.2 made me create an IM account when logging into the ovi store Jun 27 13:37:25 Woohoo, next version of Hermes is going to get ability to pull down phone numbers, addresses and birthdays from LinkedIn (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10801); and also create new contacts as well (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10802) Jun 27 13:37:27 Bug 10801: Pull down address, phone numbers and Twitter details from LinkedIn Jun 27 13:37:28 Bug 10802: Allow creation of new contacts from LinkedIn Jun 27 13:39:06 When does Apple have to comply with MicroUSB charging? Jun 27 13:39:35 GAN900: I think the EU thing was voluntary (BICBW). iPhone 4 should comply if they're going to Jun 27 13:40:30 GAN900: Apparently Apple signed up to that voluntariness: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/25149/next-iphone-charges-via-micro-usb Jun 27 13:41:31 although as implemented on N900 the microusb connector is fairly fucked up and I really really regret they standardized on something that poor. Jun 27 13:41:44 ANYTHING else would've been better Jun 27 13:42:30 tybollt: what's the issue with micro-usb? Jun 27 13:42:37 I see it progress over mini-usb :) Jun 27 13:42:42 i just want inductive charging mats Jun 27 13:42:55 moo---: Apart from it being hard to insert, and prone to breakage (on the N900)? Jun 27 13:42:56 and I want nuclear batteries Jun 27 13:43:00 last 20 years Jun 27 13:43:08 moo---, thats reasonable enough Jun 27 13:43:25 while we are at it, can I have a doomsday weapon? or two? Jun 27 13:43:37 in 2012 Jun 27 13:43:38 Jaffa: you can replace the connector when it wears out... unlike with mini-usb where you would have to replace the port >__> Jun 27 13:43:48 putting a nuclear powered cellphone in your pants pocket isnt doomsday? Jun 27 13:44:02 lcuk: I don't want to have kids anyway Jun 27 13:44:14 the world is overpopulated Jun 27 13:44:18 solve two problems once Jun 27 13:44:20 well, with a nuclear device, you would still have kids Jun 27 13:44:21 moo---: You mean otehr than having to dedicate about two minutes of your time and endless fiddling to get the fucker seated? Jun 27 13:44:32 just not sure wether they'll be human Jun 27 13:44:36 lcuk: Naah Jun 27 13:44:49 Jaffa++ Jun 27 13:44:50 lcuk: Just a minor contamination threat Jun 27 13:44:58 * lcuk has been pushing and popping usb in and out of multiple devices for ages without even a hint of a problem Jun 27 13:45:08 tybollt: it needs some skill to do it in dark... but it is not harder than putting on contact lenses! Jun 27 13:45:16 * Jaffa does like the fact that his work Blackberry and N900 share a charger; just wish it was easier to get the damned thing in Jun 27 13:45:23 moo---: IT SHOULDNT FUCKING REQUIRE SKILLS Jun 27 13:45:25 god damn Jun 27 13:45:29 hi Jun 27 13:45:35 this mynokia thing Jun 27 13:45:36 Jaffa: I see you have received the official "fuck off" about that MyNokia SMS Jun 27 13:45:42 * moo--- gives tubollt a chill pill Jun 27 13:45:44 can i get rid of it? : < Jun 27 13:45:45 jaffa someone mentioned theres a little clip on the back of the plug that can be filed down a little to make insertion easier Jun 27 13:46:04 Jaffa: Now would be a good time to petition Nokia about 2.5" (or better 3.5") power socket in the upcoming Meego devices =) Jun 27 13:46:08 clicking "MyNokia" seems to just re-register it Jun 27 13:46:15 Jaffa: You just summed up my very point. Thank you :) Jun 27 13:47:19 FIQ: You can unsubscribe (and there's no feedback if you're currently subscribed or not) or - if you've not upgraded to PR1.2 yet - you can use gcobb's "notmynokia" to prevent you having the choice of "Yes, I'd like to subscribe at this time" and "Yes, I'd very much like to subscribe at this time" Jun 27 13:48:08 and this unsubscribe is done.. how? Jun 27 13:48:52 i have PR1.2 Jun 27 13:49:43 well, on mine subscription just failed Jun 27 13:49:59 FIQ: it's in settings Jun 27 13:50:00 lucky you are Jun 27 13:50:34 ah, there Jun 27 13:50:46 I wish nokia would enable the possibility of plugging in the charger and swapping batteries while the device is still on. Jun 27 13:51:07 battery is required to smooth out the voltage Jun 27 13:51:09 should it come a SMS if the unsubscription succeed? Jun 27 13:51:26 and i don't think charger is powerfull enough to take full load that phone can make Jun 27 13:51:29 ah Jun 27 13:51:32 now it came Jun 27 13:51:36 awesome Jun 27 13:51:36 ty Jun 27 13:52:08 so you need battery Jun 27 13:52:38 but i suppose in idle it would be possible to do it like that Jun 27 13:53:27 libsdl_ttf in repositories has broken dependicies btw Jun 27 13:55:01 jacekowski: I don't care if it's severely frequency throttled during that time, I'd still like to do it Jun 27 13:55:05 er Jun 27 13:55:35 libsdl-ttf2.0-dev* Jun 27 13:57:12 SwedeMike: thing is that phone load isn't constant Jun 27 13:57:18 SwedeMike: and charger will have problem taking it Jun 27 13:57:45 Charger cannot provide enough power when the cellmo is active. Jun 27 13:58:15 I have yet to come up with an explanation why it can not power when cellmo is inactive Jun 27 13:58:21 well, I don't care if I have to put it in offline-mode first and then it'll survive it. Jun 27 13:58:34 as long as I don't have to reboot. Jun 27 13:58:56 In principle, it could suspend-disk. Jun 27 13:59:01 suspend to swap Jun 27 13:59:04 Which would be nice. Jun 27 14:00:26 yeah, that is fine as well. Jun 27 14:00:49 Having said that - suspend-swap is a non-trivial amount of work Jun 27 14:01:17 it might be better time spent to make the reboot process less impacting, like make it more intelligent when doing the thumbnaild stuff Jun 27 14:01:23 because that's my major concern when rebooting Jun 27 14:01:35 or even make thumbnaild be nicer Jun 27 14:01:58 hmm, besides isn't it bme sutting down the phone Jun 27 14:02:23 s/su/shu/ Jun 27 14:02:24 jacekowski meant: hmm, besides isn't it bme shutting down the phone Jun 27 14:02:33 jacekowski: no Jun 27 14:02:48 SwedeMike: hyou can tell thumbnailer and stuff to not do that Jun 27 14:02:54 see ~/.config/tracker/ Jun 27 14:03:15 SpeedEvil: yes, I know, but I want it to work out of the box, not just solve it for myself. Jun 27 14:03:18 thumbnaild? Jun 27 14:03:33 test please: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.4/ Jun 27 14:03:37 :) Jun 27 14:03:53 i hate people doing that Jun 27 14:04:11 jacekowski: ? Jun 27 14:04:24 i saw somebody who had time in their status Jun 27 14:04:32 ah Jun 27 14:04:53 that was annoying Jun 27 14:04:53 * SpeedEvil is now known as SpeedEvil[Farting]. Jun 27 14:05:09 I <3 IRC Jun 27 14:05:32 that's quite a long fart Jun 27 14:06:02 perhaps it disable his computer in some fashion, and he will ping out soon Jun 27 14:06:09 but that's annoying when somebody has status that changes every second Jun 27 14:06:12 s/disable/disabled Jun 27 14:06:52 somebody is avaliable - listening to; something [0:01/4:00] Jun 27 14:06:55 somebody is avaliable - listening to; something [0:02/4:00] Jun 27 14:06:59 somebody is avaliable - listening to; something [0:03/4:00] Jun 27 14:07:02 somebody is avaliable - listening to; something [0:04/4:00] Jun 27 14:07:06 somebody is avaliable - listening to; something [0:05/4:00] Jun 27 14:08:04 jacekowski: that's what you get when you aggregate IM statuses ... Jun 27 14:08:12 you forgot to use a large number of ♫s Jun 27 14:08:41 esbox supports newer Eclipse versions than 3.4? Jun 27 14:12:35 http://www.tester.ca/2010/06/26/n900-vs-nexus-one-a-comparison/ Jun 27 14:22:11 ovi store is not working for my n900 is this happening for others as well.... oh and englands defense is "absolutely criminal" Jun 27 14:22:57 an0therb0x: ovi store Jun 27 14:23:02 an0therb0x: just forget about it Jun 27 14:23:41 jacekowski: how do you mean ? Jun 27 14:23:47 what is going on with it ? Jun 27 14:23:48 it's a disaster Jun 27 14:23:53 there are no apps in there Jun 27 14:24:00 it's used and developer hostile Jun 27 14:24:09 it's not working for most of time Jun 27 14:24:28 jacekowski: i wanted to get the sygic gps app Jun 27 14:24:36 get it from sygic Jun 27 14:24:41 lol lcuk DocScrutinizer, germany 1 - 0 england Jun 27 14:24:58 not lol Jun 27 14:25:02 it's disaster Jun 27 14:25:56 final score will be GER 3 - 1 ENG Jun 27 14:25:58 indefinite articles Jun 27 14:26:47 nope, it will be england 2 germany 1 Jun 27 14:26:50 it has to be Jun 27 14:27:18 england should go home! Jun 27 14:27:26 sygic gps app says free in ovi store but 50 eur at sygic.com ??? Jun 27 14:27:37 free trial for 7 days Jun 27 14:28:06 TomaszD ... i see that now.. oh well Jun 27 14:32:33 LOL Jun 27 14:33:00 2-0 Jun 27 14:37:25 2:1 Jun 27 14:37:51 2cm from gloves lol Jun 27 14:44:54 am i the only one that cant find out how to search in the app-installera on the n900? Jun 27 14:45:13 go to a category and start typing the term Jun 27 14:45:18 the searchbutton was there but must have been removed in an update. really annoying. Jun 27 14:46:09 LoCusF_, oh ok Jun 27 14:46:22 that is really bad usability Jun 27 14:47:15 had no idea i could do that and there is no information about it in the user interface Jun 27 15:20:00 tried the ovi voice navigation on the way home - works great! - thanks nokia! Jun 27 15:22:07 L I E S Jun 27 15:22:48 pupnik: is that free now? Jun 27 15:23:20 where's the love for the n810 Jun 27 15:23:43 free -- and it knew the speed limits too - warned me of speeding Jun 27 15:24:07 3-1 xD Jun 27 15:24:08 pupnik: Which phone? Jun 27 15:24:12 E71 :P Jun 27 15:24:14 pupnik: ovi voice navigation on n900? Jun 27 15:24:18 nope Jun 27 15:24:31 I've been pretty happy with it too Jun 27 15:25:02 After Ovi on the N900, I fail to believe it can be good on *anything* Jun 27 15:25:05 Although I usually go with N900+Sygic and leave the symbian phone home :) Jun 27 15:25:18 pupnik: why are you talking about an E71 app in #maemo? Jun 27 15:25:41 It's better than idling Jun 27 15:25:43 BCMM: Better than talking about the football :( Jun 27 15:25:53 3-1 now :( Jun 27 15:26:09 4-1 :( Jun 27 15:26:11 anyway, does the n900 have free voice navigation, ovi or otherwise? Jun 27 15:26:23 LOL Jun 27 15:26:23 Not that I know of Jun 27 15:27:04 people here are getting *Way* too happy over this ball+foot thing Jun 27 15:27:08 BCMM: Mappero can use festival Jun 27 15:27:16 lol pupnik Jun 27 15:27:28 wait Jun 27 15:27:30 who's playing? Jun 27 15:27:33 omfg Jun 27 15:27:34 That last goal was ridiculous Jun 27 15:27:36 Jaffa, join us in defeat! Jun 27 15:27:36 BCMM, yes Jun 27 15:27:39 how bad is it going to get Jun 27 15:27:43 sevard: Germany-England Jun 27 15:27:53 whaaat Jun 27 15:27:57 espn3 is blank Jun 27 15:27:57 also, england living up to expectations of having an utterly nonexistant defence as usual Jun 27 15:28:01 no suprises there really Jun 27 15:28:05 hahaha, germany ftw! Jun 27 15:28:06 England are so desperate, everyone's up front and no-one's defending. Jun 27 15:28:07 nidO: do you mean the same package Jaffa mentioned? Jun 27 15:28:11 MohammadAG51: stfu Jun 27 15:28:19 jacekowski, watch it Jun 27 15:28:22 * GAN900 is just happy the Rays won last night. :P Jun 27 15:28:25 what's the world cup channel again? Jun 27 15:28:29 BCMM, yes, mappero works well Jun 27 15:28:31 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/matches/match_51 Jun 27 15:28:35 ##world-cup Jun 27 15:28:36 MohammadAG51: What country? Jun 27 15:28:40 Should've been 2-1 to england after the first half Jun 27 15:28:44 "BBC To Create Internet Protocol TV Standard" Jun 27 15:29:01 * RST38h thinks the Tentacled One should visit BBC corpses and teach 'em reason Jun 27 15:29:01 yeh, project canvas got the go-ahead Jun 27 15:29:02 at last Jun 27 15:29:15 RST38h: what's wrong with iplayer Jun 27 15:29:15 Jaffa, i'm from Jerusalem, Israel Jun 27 15:29:16 'bout time Jun 27 15:29:16 MohammadAG51: i have no idea, but the other day i was in town and everything was weird there, and when i got back someone on IRC told me that's what the world cup is Jun 27 15:29:21 lcuk: just watched the final, it is cool Jun 27 15:29:25 4:1 Jun 27 15:29:27 hahahaha. Jun 27 15:29:31 jacekowski: too cheap, probably? Jun 27 15:29:38 RST38h, time traveling again Jun 27 15:29:40 RST38h: it's working Jun 27 15:30:04 jacekowski: it is, but who is gonna pay BBC corpses their salaries? Jun 27 15:30:18 a time machine would be awesome Jun 27 15:30:24 lcuk: A bit heavy on time travel, yes Jun 27 15:30:25 imagine spoiling the world cup... Jun 27 15:30:42 BCMM <--- thinks small Jun 27 15:31:05 lol Jun 27 15:31:11 * GAN900 plays remerge AIM contacts. Jun 27 15:31:27 I reckon it'd be a laugh to win the lottery like 10 times in a row and watch the lottery commission try to figure out how the fuck you're gaming the system Jun 27 15:31:32 + evil aliens manage to watch iPlayer thingie not living in the UK. Bad, bad, tax evaders Jun 27 15:31:59 nid0: Except that when you time-travel, you skew the reality Jun 27 15:32:03 i wish i could watch the cup for free on my blackberry Jun 27 15:32:04 :p Jun 27 15:32:09 don't be hating, work gave it to me. Jun 27 15:32:13 nid0: So, absolutely no guarantee that the lottery will end up the same Jun 27 15:32:39 ah, I didnt realise you were experienced at time-travel Jun 27 15:32:43 how is it? Jun 27 15:33:10 nid0: Well, in version 1.0, you have not been there. In version 2.0 you are. Jun 27 15:33:39 nid0: Once you are there, events are supposed to start branching. And it has nothing to do with experience, just reasoning. Jun 27 15:34:41 There is of course a "can see / can't change" hypothesis (with more complicated version being "can change, given enough energy to effectively cause all the consequent branching") Jun 27 15:35:09 But according to this hyptothesis, you would not be able to play that lottery =) Jun 27 15:39:22 mappero seems to crash when i do most things Jun 27 15:39:50 such as? Only way I tend to cause it problems is if i try to pre-download any sizeable amount of map data Jun 27 15:40:00 other than that it works fine Jun 27 15:40:04 for me at least Jun 27 15:40:14 I agree with BCMM. Jun 27 15:40:29 well, anything to do with routes Jun 27 15:40:51 using 3.0+beta9 Jun 27 15:41:15 Heard GER should shoot own goal for allowing ENG to be less desparate Jun 27 15:41:24 head to the mappero thread with details then I guess, i've never had any problems with routing Jun 27 15:41:42 tbh, ger could shoot 3 own goals to force extra time Jun 27 15:42:01 with england's laughably nonexistant defence they can bang another couple in anytime they want Jun 27 15:43:36 now for 3 own goals they have to hurry now Jun 27 15:45:58 I blame the linesman. Jun 27 15:48:50 \o/ germany Jun 27 15:49:26 the unapproved goal looks very irrelevant now Jun 27 15:49:42 anyone else experimented with cross-compiling valgrind for arm? Jun 27 15:49:45 * w00t_ is toying with it atm Jun 27 15:49:55 Shadow, why? Jun 27 15:51:02 i called 3 -1 got 4 -1 .. close enough Jun 27 15:51:36 so ovi store is broken now ? Jun 27 16:17:22 " Jun 27 16:18:14 * pahartik is annoyed by "MicroB" lacking "load this image" entry in context menu of "img" -element Jun 27 16:18:32 use opera Jun 27 16:18:47 Or lynx. Jun 27 16:19:30 jacekowski: Will try... Jun 27 16:20:32 SpeedEvil: That I do most of time, but not on Maemo Jun 27 16:27:40 "evolution does not teach. it destroys" - Nassim taleb Jun 27 16:29:39 GAN900: EtherPad's a lot better than Google Docs (although lacking an update API, AFAICT) Jun 27 16:39:09 hmm, bme is writing something to cal Jun 27 16:48:50 jacekowski: umm Jun 27 16:55:29 jacekowski, interesting Jun 27 16:58:26 * timeless_mbp grumbles Jun 27 16:58:31 how many write cycles can /dev/mtd* take? Jun 27 16:58:32 * mortini too. Jun 27 16:58:33 my DVR is trying to kill my LCD Jun 27 16:58:45 stabby stabby! Jun 27 16:59:02 mortini: it's more the shocking shocking kind Jun 27 16:59:08 it's trying to electrocute it Jun 27 17:00:30 Anyone tried to use the Nokia wireless keyboard with the N900? Jun 27 17:01:43 jacekowski: definitle a finite number. BME writing to cal sounds fundamentally odd Jun 27 17:02:01 timeless_mbp: doesn't seemto have the same ring. Jun 27 17:03:10 mord: it gets a buzz :( Jun 27 17:03:24 DrGrov: I heard the N900 BT-HID doesn't work with Nokia products Jun 27 17:04:04 I think the issue is keyboard layouts Jun 27 17:05:49 hmmm Jun 27 17:06:12 it looks like it's writing to it every startup Jun 27 17:06:21 and it's writing to block named bme Jun 27 17:06:39 ( that was unexpected ) Jun 27 17:06:44 and it's writing BME-PMM-BLOCK01 Jun 27 17:06:45 and what is it that's written? Jun 27 17:07:11 block itself is 0x600 bytes long Jun 27 17:07:16 so there is more data in it Jun 27 17:08:24 jacekowski: an you paste a bin+hexdump? Does bme also *read* fron cal? what? Jun 27 17:09:04 well, it's reading it back just after the write Jun 27 17:09:17 jacekowski: btw great work! thanks Jun 27 17:10:07 bme wrapper on cal_init finish and write block is at address .text:0001EA08 Jun 27 17:10:21 and function looks like int __cdecl write_cal(const char *name, const void *data, unsigned __int32 data_len, unsigned __int32 flags) Jun 27 17:11:07 there is couple more places where it's writing something Jun 27 17:12:36 * DocScrutinizer-8 wonders about possible purpose of that write Jun 27 17:13:17 reporting for waranty purposes? Jun 27 17:14:03 let me just dump whole block Jun 27 17:14:34 yup. best do it twice and cmp Jun 27 17:14:45 DocScrutinizer-8: ok, then nothing helps. i wanted to get the keyboard when i connect the phone to my tv. Jun 27 17:15:20 DrGrov: sorry, you lost me Jun 27 17:15:41 DocScrutinizer-8: i wanted to use the Nokia wireless keyboard when I have the N900 connected to my tv. Jun 27 17:16:46 DrGrov: can you pair it? Jun 27 17:21:55 DocScrutinizer-8: i have not bought it yet since i was uncertain whether it works or not. Jun 27 17:22:19 How is YouTube working? I just registered myself with my Gmail account. Can I log in with the N900 YouTube app as well? Jun 27 17:22:22 zoutube? Jun 27 17:22:57 <_llll_> just use the browser Jun 27 17:36:00 hi, guys Jun 27 17:36:15 I'm studying http://wiki.maemo.org/SimpleGL_example Jun 27 17:36:24 does it work with Xephyr? Jun 27 17:36:48 I've got the following error: X Error of failed request: BadAtom (invalid Atom parameter) Jun 27 17:36:49 Major opcode of failed request: 18 (X_ChangeProperty) Jun 27 17:37:16 for XChangeProperty(display, window, Jun 27 17:37:16 XInternAtom(display, "_NET_WM_STATE", True), Jun 27 17:37:16 XA_ATOM, 32, PropModeReplace, (unsigned char*)&atom, 1) Jun 27 17:38:17 why it is not working? The code is exactly taken from wiki page... Jun 27 17:40:40 In fact, both XChangeProperty won't work Jun 27 17:40:50 That's really strange. Jun 27 17:41:23 oh man, if dora the explorer did not sing everywhere, she would be faster than santa Jun 27 17:41:45 err wut? Jun 27 17:42:57 DocScrutinizer, we were just watching dora and she travelled from paris to mount kilimanjaro in <30 seconds Jun 27 17:43:24 if she took over santas job, she could get round the world faster than he can Jun 27 17:43:30 but she has to sing everywhere she stops Jun 27 17:43:40 so it wouldnt work out too well Jun 27 17:44:17 I feel glad about not knowing what you talk about :-P Jun 27 17:44:35 its ok, me and mrs lcuk said similar :) Jun 27 17:45:23 seems dora the explora isn't sth I need to know Jun 27 17:47:57 I guess it's somehow related to Redmond and particularly some evil company there that 'to explore' incl all derivatives somewhat dropped off my active and maybe even passive vocabulary Jun 27 17:50:18 ok, works on device, so it should be Xephyr problem. Jun 27 17:58:05 The right side slider button is the keylock? Same as using the power button -> Lock keys ? Jun 27 17:58:16 yes Jun 27 17:58:36 SpeedEvil: So the button does not do anything else except lock the keys and screen? Jun 27 17:58:46 anyone knows how to install android apps via adb? Jun 27 17:58:55 SpeedEvil: I did not even recognize the button before I stumbled upon it during some YouTube videos Jun 27 17:59:26 SpeedEvil: I always just used the power button -> Lock keys and screen Jun 27 17:59:53 DrGrov: I think it can lock - I assume if does - I don't have my phone setup to lock the screen ever. Jun 27 17:59:59 Simply blank it with the slider. Jun 27 18:00:29 SpeedEvil: Ah, so you use just that slider? So that is the way I should go as well. I feel that the power button system is too time consuming. Jun 27 18:00:40 yeah Jun 27 18:01:01 The power button was good but took way too much time to do several times per day. Jun 27 18:01:32 iirc power button doubleclick locks too Jun 27 18:01:46 So perhaps the power button can be customized to do something else then? Yes, that power button doubleclick would be nice to assign to something else then. Jun 27 18:01:50 edit with tweakr Jun 27 18:02:04 or in mce.ini Jun 27 18:02:10 DocScrutinizer: ah ok, I will download tweakr to see what I can do with it. Thank you Jun 27 18:02:17 yw Jun 27 18:02:32 I just feel very uncomfortable with that slider lock mechanism Jun 27 18:02:50 But I will now try to get used to that one. A time saver definitely.. Jun 27 18:03:10 hmm Jun 27 18:03:15 ok after looking into it Jun 27 18:03:26 it looks like bme has it's own wrapper on cal functions Jun 27 18:03:35 that's clever enough to read before write Jun 27 18:05:16 DocScrutinizer: can you do something for me? Jun 27 18:05:28 shoot Jun 27 18:05:30 DocScrutinizer: jacekowski.org/bme - download that and send me back result Jun 27 18:05:37 it's just reading bme data from cal Jun 27 18:05:52 result will go to stdout Jun 27 18:06:09 paste me cmdline here, please Jun 27 18:06:14 ./bme Jun 27 18:06:16 to install & run Jun 27 18:06:27 wget jacekowski.org/bme Jun 27 18:06:31 ./bme > file Jun 27 18:06:49 and i think you have to be root to read cal Jun 27 18:07:09 wtf?! wget not found??? Jun 27 18:07:13 mompls Jun 27 18:07:39 apt-get install wget Jun 27 18:08:35 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Jun 27 18:08:37 mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: kernel-modules (= 2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5) but 2.6.28-20101501+0m5 is to be installed Jun 27 18:08:39 sorry Jun 27 18:08:58 lemme try this on a clean system Jun 27 18:10:05 * DocScrutinizer slaps MohammadAG51 with a large slimy trout Jun 27 18:11:10 i'm just wondering if there is going to be any difference Jun 27 18:12:54 FSCK the new search option in HAM!! "ssh" only gives me "SSH Status and Switcher" Jun 27 18:13:20 lol Jun 27 18:14:46 DocScrutinizer, shouldn't you be at some pub now? Jun 27 18:14:48 germany mopped the floor with england Jun 27 18:15:13 well, it's shame for poland as well Jun 27 18:15:21 2 polish players scored 2 goals Jun 27 18:15:23 for enemy Jun 27 18:19:31 * RST38h smirks Jun 27 18:19:37 Is there EGL_OPENGL_ES2_BIT support on maemo? Cannot get configs with this attr set. Jun 27 18:23:39 DocScrutinizer: have you managed to fix it? Jun 27 18:24:12 http://i.imgur.com/QxJvh.jpg world cup soccer geometry Jun 27 18:24:43 jacekowski: I'm about to wonder where TF I've seen the one-click catalog-enable for extras-testing and extras-devel. Seems to have vanished from wiki Jun 27 18:26:30 that referee might want to avoid england for a while Jun 27 18:27:20 he's probably german Jun 27 18:28:08 fucking nice that England is out of the WC Jun 27 18:28:10 "It has been years since the United States has had good intelligence on the whereabouts of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin laden, although he is thought to be in Pakistan, CIA director Leon Panetta said on Sunday." Jun 27 18:28:13 * DrGrov is so happy Jun 27 18:28:23 The "secret" is out =) Jun 27 18:32:59 RST38h: that has been the official line since Tora Bora Jun 27 18:34:19 DocScrutinizer, ssh wont show on normal list once you have installed it anyway Jun 27 18:34:30 otherwise typing ssh will bring it up Jun 27 18:34:34 whoah, finally a cool alarm-app... evilalarm :D hopefully it really is what i need ^^ Jun 27 18:34:59 lcuk: umm... Jun 27 18:35:28 pupnik: No, the official line has been "we will get him any day now" =) Jun 27 18:37:24 lcuk: no ssh installed ever, still doesn't show up (prolly needs extras-testing/devel repo) Jun 27 18:38:38 damn, and now I got Dropbear, but not full SSH Jun 27 18:39:36 Am I wrong or was there a normal fullsize (non Dropbear) ssh server&client metapackage on 1.1.1? Jun 27 18:40:18 it's still in 1.2 Jun 27 18:40:23 at least on my phone Jun 27 18:40:54 DocScrutinizer, http://maemo.org/packages/view/openssh/ Jun 27 18:40:58 exact name? Jun 27 18:41:00 ehhh Jun 27 18:41:21 can anybody else run that program and send me the result? Jun 27 18:42:39 jacekowski: Which program? Jun 27 18:42:51 jacekowski.org/bme Jun 27 18:42:57 ~nuke HAM-1.2 Jun 27 18:42:58 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at HAM-1.2 ... B☢☢M! Jun 27 18:43:51 lcuk: HAM doesn't find OpenSSH on search for 'ssh' >:-((( Jun 27 18:44:26 check your repositories and installed apps :P Jun 27 18:44:28 lcuk: scrolling to OpneSSH in "all" category takes about 5 minutes Jun 27 18:44:58 lcuk: It's there, HAM just doesn't FIND it!! Jun 27 18:44:58 DocScrutinizer: why not search for "openssh"? Jun 27 18:45:09 well openssh does not start with ssh Jun 27 18:45:32 RST38h: because that wouldn't reveal fsck-up-ness of HAM Jun 27 18:45:38 it comes up on installed apps when i just search for ssh,i will now remove it and check on the list Jun 27 18:46:34 well, i am currently i install mood and am installing like a jerk apps which look interessting Jun 27 18:47:14 very nice to know Jun 27 18:47:24 would be cool to see the statics of apps Jun 27 18:47:26 If I would care a little bit more, I'd file a bug against HAM-1.2: "REGRESSION: search doesn't find substrings in packet description" Jun 27 18:47:45 like "when it was updated, changelog, user comments, downloads"... Jun 27 18:47:53 it does - but you are right, theres something odd Jun 27 18:48:14 brother, successfully installed OpenSSH c&s meta, after as short as 30min Jun 27 18:48:41 and also know where the apps actually go when installed... Jun 27 18:49:00 at least "installable" in the "status" tells me not much tbh Jun 27 18:49:43 DocScrutinizer, search does include descriptions.. the openssh one does not mention ssh :p Jun 27 18:49:59 epic fail Jun 27 18:50:10 DocScrutinizer you are fail Jun 27 18:50:21 lcuk: nevertheless search should find substrings as well Jun 27 18:50:44 ZogG: you are offending Jun 27 18:50:49 mikki-kun: Almost the apps in maemo.org/downloads/ will go into /opt (if they're over a particular size). If you want more technical detail, have a look at http://maemo.org/packages/. This includes the Extras-testing QA queue of apps their authors think are ready for sign-off from people willing to test them to get into Extras. Jun 27 18:50:49 you are all fail Jun 27 18:50:51 DocScrutinizer don't cry Jun 27 18:50:53 DocScrutinizer: +1 to that Jun 27 18:50:53 we are all fail Jun 27 18:51:02 * ZogG hugs DocScrutinizer Jun 27 18:51:07 mikki-kun: There's a project to merge the backends, so that maemo.org/downloads/ can present more information Jun 27 18:51:11 * ZogG play's with DocScrutinizer's thing Jun 27 18:51:19 * ZogG is getting really nasty Jun 27 18:51:32 his n900, you mean? Jun 27 18:51:54 Jaffa hey, is Quil only one way of cantact with Nokia? Jun 27 18:52:08 contact* Jun 27 18:52:13 Quim Jun 27 18:52:21 Jaffa: wuhu \o/ that's what i will install asap then :) i know that i can look up the package online and see there more information, but that is sometimes a lil too much for a lazy person to do ^^ well, at least atm i am a lil... Jun 27 18:52:41 RST38h quit Jun 27 18:52:44 Quit Jun 27 18:53:32 Hello, when I try to uphrade an app, it says "conflicting packages" - when i type "apt-get upgrade" in xterm, it wants to upgrade a pile of apps, including xserver*. Is this correct? Jun 27 18:55:27 DocScrutinizer, =( Jun 27 18:57:20 LuciusMare: i am not sure, but i think that shouldn't be the case... Jun 27 18:57:35 are you using repos from other sources than maemo.org? Jun 27 18:57:37 DocScrutinizer: so? Jun 27 18:57:38 LuciusMare; which app and which version of maemo do you have? pr1.1.1 or? Jun 27 18:58:18 mikki-kun: i am not aware of it, i will check Jun 27 18:58:40 Trizt: pr 1.1, but just to make sure, where do I get it? Jun 27 18:58:50 jacekowski: where to? Jun 27 18:58:52 LuciusMare: settings --> about product Jun 27 18:59:04 DocScrutinizer: do you have the file? Jun 27 18:59:08 yes Jun 27 18:59:20 hmm, pastebin would mess up line endings Jun 27 18:59:33 so diff would be hard Jun 27 19:00:17 temp@jacekowski.org: Jun 27 19:00:18 Trizt: it's not exactly said here, version: 3.2010.02-8 Jun 27 19:00:21 password is temp Jun 27 19:01:17 LuciusMare: that should be pr 1.1.1 from what i know... (am not sure though) Jun 27 19:01:42 LuciusMare; it's pre 1.2 and the package you try to install depends on that you have pr1.2 installed Jun 27 19:02:01 i would recommend to install the most up to date firmware being pr 1.2 Jun 27 19:02:07 I don't remember I actually upgraded... Jun 27 19:02:21 it isn't hard, but you need a backup of your contents you don't want to loose Jun 27 19:02:26 jacekowski: https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/1667/579/bme.dump Jun 27 19:03:12 jacekowski: this is on a clean new device with 1.2 OTA upgrade Jun 27 19:03:27 jacekowski: hth Jun 27 19:03:33 jacekowski:/tmp# diff bme.dump bme_running Jun 27 19:03:33 Binary files bme.dump and bme_running differ Jun 27 19:03:38 mikki-kun: Does it have a lot of bugs? And what content will be rewritten? Jun 27 19:03:41 i've deleted that temp account Jun 27 19:05:12 jacekowski: ?? Jun 27 19:05:22 LuciusMare: from what i see it doesn't have bugs (at least i haven't experienced any or saw them as "features" ;) ) Jun 27 19:06:04 LuciusMare: i can say though, that it isn't a marvelous improvment, it just makes things a lil nicer and faster... Jun 27 19:06:17 mikki-kun: ah, those bugs! :P okay, thanks Jun 27 19:06:23 and your whole rootfs will be rewritten Jun 27 19:06:24 and, "nicer"? :) Jun 27 19:06:29 DocScrutinizer: there are some differences Jun 27 19:06:38 mikki-kun: including my /home? Jun 27 19:06:39 yeah, the camera e.g. got a nightvision mode... Jun 27 19:06:57 ohh, speaking of with... there is bug with manual iso-setting ^^ Jun 27 19:07:06 heh Jun 27 19:07:15 besides, output format of that program is a disaster Jun 27 19:07:17 LuciusMare: i think pr1.2 needs you to reflash your emmc as well Jun 27 19:07:30 :( Jun 27 19:07:50 you can copy your stuff to your microsd and then have it backed up there Jun 27 19:07:54 jacekowski: who cares Jun 27 19:08:03 I think I'll just stick with my unupgradable pre 1.2 :) Jun 27 19:08:16 jacekowski.org/bme_running Jun 27 19:08:21 that's mine Jun 27 19:08:23 When should 1.2 be released? Jun 27 19:08:39 jacekowski.org/bme_diff Jun 27 19:08:40 that's diff Jun 27 19:08:49 LuciusMare: i would go and install it.. you'll get a 'brandnew' phone ;) Jun 27 19:09:08 1st collumn is byte number, 2nd is byte as number and 3rd as char Jun 27 19:09:17 so 2nd collumn is important Jun 27 19:09:28 with "output of camera program disaster" :P Jun 27 19:09:28 548 252 | 548 2 . Jun 27 19:09:54 no, i'm talking about that program that dumps bme data from cal Jun 27 19:10:15 mikki-kun: LuciusMare : NO 1.2 DOE NOT need reflash of eMMC Jun 27 19:10:43 jacekowski: oh, you were not talking to me... But it looked just as you would :P Jun 27 19:10:51 DocScrutinizer: ok, i just read it somewhere and assumed it was right Jun 27 19:11:51 LuciusMare: 1.2 was released month ago Jun 27 19:11:59 L< Jun 27 19:12:26 Okay, I will flash it, thank you :) Jun 27 19:14:14 guys, could you please help to understand: eglChooseConfig return available configs that are equal or better to the specified one. I'm wondering how it comes I specify EGL_RENDERABLE_TYPE = EGL_OPENGL_ES2_BIT for configs to match, but in returned 4 configs noone matches EGL_OPENGL_ES2_BIT. What's wrong with it? Jun 27 19:14:17 jacekowski: output of diff surely IS a desaster Jun 27 19:14:36 DocScrutinizer: but shouldn't one flash his emmc as well, due to /opt/... i mean, there could be some dead libraries left (not killing your sys, just eating a lil bit of space away) Jun 27 19:16:44 well, one chance when it could happen eglCooseConfig returns something *better* than EGL_OPENGL_ES2_BIT, correct? Then, what is it? Jun 27 19:20:17 hmm, it looks like i've found code that's doing all battery calculations Jun 27 19:20:33 code as in ARM bytecode? Jun 27 19:21:04 yes Jun 27 19:21:07 After installing a couple of apps, they apear to miss a few (button) icons; some work, some dont. Is there a way to figure out if thats a bug in the app or some icon caching issue? Jun 27 19:21:21 well, as in i know what's calling it what is it doing Jun 27 19:21:26 and that sort of stuff Jun 27 19:27:01 OMFG, got 71 WPM on my lappy :D Jun 27 19:28:46 what are you using to test that? Jun 27 19:29:01 jacekowski, typingtest.com Jun 27 19:29:17 got 58 on my N900 when it worked, it's not working now Jun 27 19:29:22 GAN got 64 Jun 27 19:30:28 mikki-kun: you could rm -rf /opt/* prior to flashing PR1.2 rootfs Jun 27 19:31:05 DocScrutinizer: simple and easy solution... good idea ^^ Jun 27 19:31:31 MohammadAG51: what is WPM? words per minute? Jun 27 19:31:32 anyway SSU doesn't reflash eMMC, so why should flashing 1.2 rootfs need that? Jun 27 19:31:33 MohammadAG51: what did you do to break it? :p Jun 27 19:31:50 MohammadAG51 \o/ Jun 27 19:35:05 MohammadAG51: works for me... Jun 27 19:35:14 15 WPM it claims on N900 Jun 27 19:35:22 proof N900 has crappy kb :D Jun 27 19:35:39 53 with zero errors Jun 27 19:35:47 the double quotes killed me Jun 27 19:36:06 quotes are annoying on british keyboard as well Jun 27 19:36:09 I think I can easily with a bit more practice hit 35 Jun 27 19:36:11 because " is on shitf +2 Jun 27 19:36:15 * luke-jr wonders which keyboard he has Jun 27 19:36:17 But much more than that is a bit tricky. Jun 27 19:36:36 MohammadAG51: i don't belive in that 71 Jun 27 19:37:58 23 WPM on Aesop Jun 27 19:38:15 how do I know which N900 keyboard I have? Jun 27 19:39:52 Sym/Ctrl, Q, W, E, R, T, Y, U, I, O, P, [;,], Backspace -- Fn, A, S, D, F, G, H, J, K, L, [:.], Up, Enter -- Shift, Z, X, C, V, B, N, M, Space, Left, Down, Right Jun 27 19:41:22 luke-jr: if you don't have interesting letters, you have the English/Dutch layout Jun 27 19:53:31 ZogG: There are numerous people who are contactable within Nokia. qgil is the "community manager" and "open source advocate", so an ideal choice most of the time. Jun 27 19:53:46 ZogG: But many many Nokians are just as much as part of the community as anyone else. Jun 27 19:53:52 ZogG: Including many people on this channel. Jun 27 20:14:34 test plox?!?!? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/media-im-status-updater/0.4/ Jun 27 20:14:53 plox? Jun 27 20:15:00 you mean "test, please"? Jun 27 20:15:22 yes, you, do it :P Jun 27 20:15:29 Ok. I will Jun 27 20:15:40 :) Jun 27 20:16:00 Grrr my eyes are so painful right now. Jun 27 20:16:09 and itchy, damn hay fevetr Jun 27 20:16:11 Why? Lack of sleep? Jun 27 20:16:13 oh... Jun 27 20:16:29 Yeah, and lack of sleep. Jun 27 20:16:58 last week I thought I was gonna die. I was feeling very bad and couldn't sleep well. That was the first week of my Atkins (no carbohydrates) diet. Jun 27 20:17:02 But now I got better... Jun 27 20:17:04 I just wanna get this new version into extras so I can happily start working on my next project. Jun 27 20:17:27 Meh, diets are silly. Jun 27 20:17:37 your mom's a diet. Jun 27 20:17:42 not so silly if they work for you to get more chicks :) Jun 27 20:17:43 haha Jun 27 20:18:38 my internet is slow, I shouldn't have done apt-get update Jun 27 20:18:50 The atkins diet is guaranteed to get you chicks. Jun 27 20:19:01 Though not many veg. Jun 27 20:19:14 lol Jun 27 20:19:52 Simple calorie counting has worked well for me. Jun 27 20:20:18 I just got a n900 and am wondering whether it plays nicely with fuse+sshfs .. I see sshfs is only in extras-devel? is it stable enough for normal usage? Jun 27 20:20:52 you mean to access remote devices fss fromthe n900? Jun 27 20:21:03 yeah, my main fileserver Jun 27 20:21:39 Never counted calories in my life... You absorb calories from different food differently and also your body uses and stores them very differently. Low glicemy products have low potential to make your fatter, high glicemy have much bigger potential to do that. And also, most fat is not stored, but discarded, and these are very caloric food. Jun 27 20:22:16 SpeedEvil: did you get the whole channel talking about weightloss again? Jun 27 20:22:22 Gotta ask... Jun 27 20:22:23 crashanddie: Naah Jun 27 20:22:28 only me Jun 27 20:22:36 then join #dieting Jun 27 20:22:50 3 hours ago my phone had just lost about 20% of battery. Should a battery last for another 12 hours or so? Jun 27 20:23:00 I would require some kind of monitoring tool to check up on my battery Jun 27 20:23:03 I think it should be ##dieting, otherwise it would have to be an official channel for that :P Jun 27 20:23:04 ptl: All the research I have found says that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie. That is peer-reviewed stuff. Jun 27 20:23:06 It is strange how much it keeps changing Jun 27 20:23:30 DrGrov: battery eye Jun 27 20:24:00 ptl: ok, i will check it out. Jun 27 20:24:03 ptl: thanks Jun 27 20:24:07 DrGrov, just find a charger and be sure? like a car miles remaining estimate, it all depends on how you drive the vehicle Jun 27 20:24:11 i hope my battery has nothing wrong in it Jun 27 20:24:24 DrGrov: The battery meter inbuilt has enormous issues. Jun 27 20:24:39 * lcuk rarely sees it as a problem Jun 27 20:24:41 lcuk: yes, i will find myself a charger for the night to try. Jun 27 20:24:49 SpeedEvil: how big is enormous?? Jun 27 20:25:01 DrGrov: Well - quitelarge. Jun 27 20:25:14 I see little point in diets, eat healthy and exsercise. Jun 27 20:25:42 alterego: hard to lose 20kg/6 mo with excersize. And there is a difference between diet and portion control IMO. Jun 27 20:25:53 SpeedEvil: ok, perhaps then I will need to give battery eye a test run. Jun 27 20:25:55 alterego, those who diet and goto gym just make themselves more attractive to godzilla when it comes to your city and ravishes the population Jun 27 20:26:16 SpeedEvil: I am not 100% confident that this battery really has any problems at all. I am more towards that widgets are the blame. Jun 27 20:26:23 "don't eat my; i'm a couch junkie who eats cheetos" Jun 27 20:26:27 DrGrov: Get powertop Jun 27 20:26:39 DrGrov: I am unsure if apt-get install powertop will work Jun 27 20:26:39 Heh Jun 27 20:26:42 SpeedEvil: in extras-devel or testing or just good ol' extras? Jun 27 20:26:49 I'm unsure if it's in either Jun 27 20:26:58 It's so hot right now, sweating like a piggy Jun 27 20:27:17 I have seen that the Conversations Inbox widget is not very good at all to use. Jun 27 20:27:23 test my package dagnamit so I can work on my next project :P Jun 27 20:27:23 extras-devel apparantly Jun 27 20:27:25 My phone lagged like a old grandma riding a bike Jun 27 20:27:35 alterego: can you check my status messages? gtalk - patola@gmail.com ; msn - patola123@hotmail.com ; skype - powerpatola ; ovi account - patolinux Jun 27 20:27:36 DrGrov: Also - cpumem-applet is great Jun 27 20:27:42 DrGrov: and top is good too Jun 27 20:27:54 That is why the SimpleBlue theme was a PITA, not because of the theme but because of Conversations Inbox widget. Jun 27 20:27:57 (sshd into device - top or htop.) Jun 27 20:28:04 SpeedEvil: i use top on a daily basis. i prefer htop though and conky. Jun 27 20:28:10 SpeedEvil: you forgot powertop, even better to look into battery-consuming processes Jun 27 20:28:13 ptl: that would mean adding you and stuff, don't you have any friends online you can ask? Jun 27 20:28:21 (09:26:27 PM) SpeedEvil: DrGrov: Get powertop Jun 27 20:28:39 ptl: I'm currently ytying to write a better powertop. I know all about it. Jun 27 20:28:45 ptl: also, if it sholws up under your accounts from the status bar applet it's working :P Jun 27 20:28:53 alterego: I wouldn't like to engage in conversations right now, it's difficult to leave them afterwards Jun 27 20:29:00 I am becoming increasingly aware that perhaps the battery as I said is not the main problem but bad coding... Perhaps not? Or perhaps yes? Jun 27 20:29:27 DrGrov: Are you ever transferring data over 4g? Jun 27 20:29:27 ptl: check, then sign off :) Or block the person you ask :D Jun 27 20:29:32 3g Jun 27 20:29:33 3g Jun 27 20:29:37 SpeedEvil: 3g perhaps? Jun 27 20:29:41 alterego: Yes, I am watching that screen right now, but would you consider that good enough to test? Jun 27 20:29:53 Skype/gtalk/msn/irc on 3g is a battery-killer Jun 27 20:30:28 facebook widget eats battery like mad, and I've heard same thing about some twitter widget.. Jun 27 20:30:33 ptl: for me, yes. Because I've tested through different accounts and know it works. So as long as that shows up for you, I'm 99.9 percent sure it's working fine. Jun 27 20:30:48 Not much skype, gtalk, msn, irc at the moment. and no 3g never almost. just wifi at home. sometimes 3g if absolutely necessary. Jun 27 20:31:05 ShadowJK: you got a PM Jun 27 20:31:17 ShadowJK: so does IM if you're on 3G ... Jun 27 20:31:41 alterego, I think I just listed the most common IMs :) Jun 27 20:32:13 Oh damn, I need to remember to take my charger when I go to sleep... Jun 27 20:32:14 DrGrov: If your wifi does not do powersaving properly, you can use lots more power. Jun 27 20:32:23 Where did I put this actually? Jun 27 20:32:39 SpeedEvil: I actually use perhaps only 1 hour per day in average Jun 27 20:32:43 Oh okay :P Jun 27 20:32:51 dang Jun 27 20:32:53 if you lock your phone to GSM and don't use 3g then the battery drain is minimal Jun 27 20:32:55 got stuck Jun 27 20:33:05 damn msn Jun 27 20:33:08 That's what I do. Jun 27 20:33:08 I keep my phone always locked in GSM Jun 27 20:33:22 I switch with the 2G/3G applet when I need to check something Jun 27 20:33:27 yeah Jun 27 20:33:46 the operator "3" in .se doesn't have gsm at all in their network :) Jun 27 20:34:05 I keep an ssh connection going all day and with GSM the battery drain is very small, with the phone in 3g mode I'd be lucky to get through 8 hours Jun 27 20:34:06 DrGrov, what kind of battery life does this give you? Jun 27 20:34:06 it would be nice if phone could be configured to go to 2g if it's in indle Jun 27 20:34:08 idle* Jun 27 20:34:09 I do, until I want to do some browsing, or I'm at a wall outlet/anykind of power. Jun 27 20:34:23 jacekowski, i saw a script like that on tmo Jun 27 20:34:34 DrGrov: It would be nice to have inverted preference of mobile network uplink... GPRS would be preferred, switching to WCDMA whenever that is not reachable... Jun 27 20:34:40 SpeedEvil: indeed, if your calorie intake is higher than what your body consumes, fat ensues. Obviously, depending on the kind of physical activity you go through, specific foods are better/worse for you, but as a whole, a calorie is a calorie, 100% agreed with you. Jun 27 20:34:41 ShadowJK: It gives me approximately 2 days without any issues. Jun 27 20:34:55 :| Jun 27 20:35:00 pahartik: yes, that would be a lot better though the speed would become an issue. Jun 27 20:35:25 DrGrov, that sounds normal then Jun 27 20:35:29 alterego: congratulations, the new options for streaming and movie seem nice :) lemme try watching a flick, music seems ok Jun 27 20:35:45 * SpeedEvil wishes there was a nice implantable blood glucose -> electricity module. With a little inductuve clip-on charger. Jun 27 20:35:57 ShadowJK: yes, I think so too. Just the issue apparently is not so much what I do with the phone but what I run in the background. Widgets etc. Jun 27 20:36:02 This would incidentally solve the 'how do I charge my phone' problem. Jun 27 20:36:04 I try to minimize all my widgets Jun 27 20:36:04 "get thin while powering your gadgets!!" Jun 27 20:36:12 As the answer would then be 'eat a potato'. Jun 27 20:36:16 heh Jun 27 20:36:47 you can just implant a turbind in one of your bigger arteries Jun 27 20:36:53 turbine Jun 27 20:37:10 or attach some pezio generators to your heart Jun 27 20:37:11 DrGrov, the thing about widgets is that badly written ones can check stuff all the time even when screen is off.. and since they're always active this eats alot over time Jun 27 20:37:36 you notice that widgets like foreca don't ever update unless it's actually visible Jun 27 20:37:47 ptl: thanks :) Jun 27 20:37:48 One of the more amusing things I found recently. Jun 27 20:37:58 SpeedEvil: "Some scientists believe that the piezoelectric material produced nano line to stay perfect in our blood cells – then using the blood flow they could generate and supply power portable devices medical stimulators and any other inventors portable devices." Jun 27 20:38:08 'Batteryeye' (IIRC - I may have got the name wrong) wakes the CPU 60 times a second. Jun 27 20:38:13 Now I need to test that SimpleBlue theme once I got rid of that irritating widget :D Jun 27 20:38:14 Even with the screenblanked. Jun 27 20:38:52 DrGrov: Of course it should be configurable while running, just like WCDMA/dual/GPRS... Jun 27 20:40:14 ptl: don't forget to vote :P Jun 27 20:44:51 alterego: ok, all my tests worked beautifully, seems to be working alright, couldn't test streaming (I do not know a good streaming source) and got stuck into conversations (people keep trying to talk to me when I don't want it) :P Jun 27 20:45:20 Now I put it for charging, will be interesting to see how long it takes Jun 27 20:45:48 ptl, cool. Jun 27 20:46:06 I quite liked the French Qui station :) Jun 27 20:47:11 pahartik: it should not be impossible to achieve such a configuration. Jun 27 20:49:41 DrGrov: It might depend on whether such feature is available from that closed system that runs on mobile uplink side of device? Jun 27 20:51:35 pahartik: I presume it could be made up as the AutoDisconnect but instead for AutoConnection... Jun 27 20:56:26 pahartik: It would automatically choose what connection to prefer and not change it unless the user wants to use a different connection method. Jun 27 20:57:19 nite all, sweet dreams Jun 27 20:58:50 DrGrov: I don't thjink it would be hard to do at all Jun 27 20:59:11 DrGrov: Well, if one wants to have 24/7 mobile uplink... GPRS could be preferred but WCDMA not disabled Jun 27 20:59:57 DrGrov: basically turn off autoconnect, then poll periodically for the network status, and/or listen prediocally for dbus messages that might relate and switch the network as required, whihc can probably be done with dbus anyways Jun 27 21:01:29 asj_: I am not a programmer myself but I do know other things. Jun 27 21:01:52 asj_: Since the AutoDisconnect app could do disconnect why not do a AutoConnect app that does the reversed thing? Jun 27 21:02:18 pahartik: yes, WCDMA not disabled. Can be chosen but not preferred by default. Jun 27 21:02:47 DrGrov: that's effectively what I said, you can write it as a shell script, look up bash scripting, and dbus command line tools Jun 27 21:03:40 DrGrov: install dbus-scripts, it helps Jun 27 21:03:42 DrGrov: I do not know if current dual mobile uplink mode is implemented in userspace of Linux, but if it is... Preference of GPRS should be simple Jun 27 21:03:48 asj_: I could start to look into it. Would be very interesting to see whether it can be done. Jun 27 21:04:09 pahartik: yes, if it is implemented and probably it is somehow. Jun 27 21:04:29 I think I will try to find out some more information first and then try to see what can be done. Jun 27 21:04:30 DrGrov: it's trivial, imho, it's just can you do it :) Jun 27 21:05:33 asj_: I am sure I can do it. I just need to get my greasy fat fuck fingers to work ;) Jun 27 21:05:42 :) Jun 27 21:06:09 asj_: The only minor thing that I need is to get a good overview with scripting first. Especially dbus scripting. Jun 27 21:06:25 I have mainly just built build-scripts for my desktop computer which were quite easy. Jun 27 21:09:06 DrGrov: Source of "2G/3G/Dual Mode Selection Applet" could help? Jun 27 21:10:31 pahartik: yes, that will help tremendously Jun 27 21:27:10 Is it difficult to get a new bootsplash installed instead of the default Nokia with the two hands? Jun 27 21:28:33 DrGrov: if you find out let me know ;) Jun 27 21:28:50 i hate the nokia one too. used to be able to do it in maemo4 Jun 27 21:30:22 Macer: sure, i will tell you if I find out how to do it. Jun 27 21:35:51 DrGrov, Macer there's a bootsplash selection app in the repos... install it and have fun Jun 27 21:37:40 ruskie: which repos? Jun 27 21:38:07 extras or extras testing Jun 27 21:38:44 or maybe devel Jun 27 21:44:41 <_0x471> hiho! Jun 27 21:45:21 <_0x471> what would you do if you'd have an package to upload but the autobuilder complains about it beeing in the repos already. I have (and need) a newer version of it... Jun 27 21:45:47 <_0x471> ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/check_build: Package sdl-mixer1.2 provides binary package libsdl-mixer1.2 which is also available on the device or Nokia repository. Build of this package has been prevented. Jun 27 21:45:47 host it on your own repo... or just dpkg -i it yourself on the device Jun 27 21:46:08 <_0x471> i need it as an dependency for another one that I want to upload to extras-devel Jun 27 21:46:39 <_0x471> can i not update the original package_ Jun 27 21:46:39 <_0x471> ? Jun 27 21:46:50 <_0x471> err, may I... Jun 27 21:46:55 <_0x471> ? Jun 27 21:47:18 no clue Jun 27 21:47:23 <_0x471> hm k Jun 27 21:47:30 <_0x471> thanks anyway! Jun 27 21:48:21 patch the app to use old version Jun 27 21:50:54 <_0x471> MohammadAG51: It is not a dependency, but turns somewhat out to really need it. I'm building from sources, so I cannot just lower the version of the dep. Well, I could actually try if it really works with this newer version (what I expect), but if yes I will end up still needing the updated version in the repos. No chance to update the existing version? It doesn't conflict with any other app normally. Jun 27 21:51:53 <_0x471> I guess it doesn't make sense to rename my package to something like libsdl-mixer1.2.8, does it? Jun 27 21:51:55 ask X-Fade when he's on, but I doubt it's updatable Jun 27 21:52:10 <_0x471> here on IRC? Jun 27 21:52:14 you could do that Jun 27 21:52:24 yes, but he's idle on weekends Jun 27 21:52:44 he's on atm, but idle Jun 27 21:52:58 <_0x471> MohammadAG51: but that would be nasty imho. Would you recommend to rename my package even if the correct name is like the existing one? Jun 27 21:53:04 <_0x471> k let me try to pm him Jun 27 21:53:53 ah Jun 27 21:54:06 uses an h264 avi? Jun 27 21:57:06 If you rename it, then you have to ensure that the files it installs do not conflict with the files the other package installs Jun 27 21:57:52 <_0x471> ShadowJK: True, that is not an option, libs probably won't work very well being renamed Jun 27 21:58:12 <_0x471> Anyone had a similar situation? :/ Jun 27 22:05:27 woops ... Jun 27 22:05:30 [10065.578735] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now closed Jun 27 22:05:30 [10065.772552] kb_lock (GPIO 113) is now open Jun 27 22:05:43 .. just happend while the device laying on the table Jun 27 22:05:53 nothing moved there Jun 27 22:05:54 can't mv sysnodes :-/ Jun 27 22:06:05 cehteh: stop swipping magnets over it ;) Jun 27 22:06:11 no didnt Jun 27 22:06:22 err Jun 27 22:06:25 just laying on the table playing webradio Jun 27 22:06:37 EMP? Jun 27 22:06:47 solar rays Jun 27 22:06:52 whatever Jun 27 22:07:13 is that a reed or a hall-sensor? Jun 27 22:07:19 btw aren't the timetags supercool? Jun 27 22:07:44 jiffies since epoch - what a shit Jun 27 22:07:50 not that much, but useful sometimes Jun 27 22:08:14 cehteh: guess it's a hall Jun 27 22:08:33 or GMR or whatever Jun 27 22:08:41 well i mounted the device in my neoprence case today on my bike, it got some vibration Jun 27 22:09:23 but well .. some vibration should be acceptable Jun 27 22:09:52 sure Jun 27 22:10:38 meh, can't rename szsfs node, so need to hex patch mce :-( Jun 27 22:10:52 ~lart MCE Jun 27 22:10:53 * infobot cuts off MCE's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper Jun 27 22:11:36 Anyone not able to get on the ovi store with the n900? Jun 27 22:11:50 keeps telling me my device is not supported Jun 27 22:11:57 there's something on the Ovi store? Jun 27 22:12:08 I wish I never was able to ovi Jun 27 22:13:02 I just posted my longest post on TMO Jun 27 22:13:03 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=731976&postcount=31 Jun 27 22:13:16 OMFG Jun 27 22:13:53 * asj reads the first line, then skips to the end Jun 27 22:14:00 wow, crashanddie and has a gf? Jun 27 22:14:07 ;) Jun 27 22:14:47 Nokia-N900:~# swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3 Jun 27 22:14:47 Killed Jun 27 22:14:49 mhm :) Jun 27 22:15:02 lol Jun 27 22:15:19 crashanddie, not impressed. Jun 27 22:15:28 piss off Jun 27 22:17:03 I think passing on information is good, the problem with forum posts, like email, no one reads long ones Jun 27 22:17:29 I was bored as the gf was watching "Le Grand Bleu" Jun 27 22:17:53 asj: sorry, tl;dr Jun 27 22:17:59 I get bored during most french movies too ;) Jun 27 22:18:04 asj: I only read lines under 25 chars. Jun 27 22:18:32 SpeedEvil: that was ~35 chars Jun 27 22:18:52 does not parse Jun 27 22:19:06 Ah - but I don't need to read what I write. Jun 27 22:19:15 SpeedEvil: hehe Jun 27 22:19:16 Indeed, I often type with my eyes shut. Jun 27 22:19:52 evidently Jun 27 22:20:02 SpeedEvil> asj: sorry, tl;dr Jun 27 22:20:37 http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Tl;dr Jun 27 22:20:44 is there a way I can add facebook to my sharing accounts for video and images on the n900? Jun 27 22:20:53 SpeedEvil: he meant that I am the one who wrote the post, not asj Jun 27 22:21:07 Ah Jun 27 22:21:19 hmm Jun 27 22:21:29 N900 says it supports (E)GSM 1700 MHz... Jun 27 22:21:31 * SpeedEvil tends to write stuff at times that is too long. Jun 27 22:21:42 Jef91: yes...it's built in Jun 27 22:21:46 so I guess if the modem firmware was open, we could port it to CDMA 1700? ;) Jun 27 22:21:47 that link scares me Jun 27 22:22:23 Oops. Jun 27 22:22:29 I meant to link to urbandictionary. Jun 27 22:22:41 Which is generally a little more sane than encyclopediadramatica Jun 27 22:23:00 too long Jun 27 22:23:03 didn't read Jun 27 22:23:07 SpeedEvil: tl;dr ;) Jun 27 22:23:08 =tl;dr Jun 27 22:23:10 np Jun 27 22:23:11 luke-jr: ???? o.O Jun 27 22:23:14 [14720.587188] wl1251: ERROR Power save entry failed, giving up Jun 27 22:23:15 reread Jun 27 22:23:29 I love the Ayne Rand, atlas shurgged tl;dr Jun 27 22:23:30 also nice .. better dont look under the carpet ;P Jun 27 22:24:48 :) Jun 27 22:24:52 cehteh: what the hell did you do? Jun 27 22:25:04 nothing .. just rebooted Jun 27 22:25:08 DocScrutinizer51: what was unclear? Jun 27 22:25:13 well i have the power-kernel now Jun 27 22:25:23 gsm1700 Jun 27 22:25:26 and maybe my crappy AP influences that too Jun 27 22:25:42 DocScrutinizer51: the booklet says so Jun 27 22:25:57 hmm. later Jun 27 22:26:03 no booklet now Jun 27 22:26:17 just trust me then :P Jun 27 22:26:42 giving ext4 another try now Jun 27 22:26:43 point being it's the same frequency used for CDMA here Jun 27 22:26:46 cehteh: fail Jun 27 22:26:57 luke-jr: huh? Jun 27 22:27:00 I don't. I asked for reread Jun 27 22:27:00 careful reread Jun 27 22:27:02 journal on flash = trouble Jun 27 22:27:04 Is there a way to remove an incorrect thumb on a package? Jun 27 22:27:17 luke-jr: why that? Jun 27 22:27:20 I thumbed the wrong package version. Jun 27 22:27:25 SpeedEvil, cigar cutters remove thumbs Jun 27 22:27:27 cehteh: flash isn't write-in-order Jun 27 22:27:28 note that ext3 has also journal on flash Jun 27 22:27:33 cehteh: I use ext2 Jun 27 22:27:37 and ubifs maybe too Jun 27 22:27:50 luke-jr: /home is ext3 by default Jun 27 22:27:50 ubifs doesn't have a block emulation layer to go through Jun 27 22:27:51 Specifically, I have a version of a program installed from extras-devel - not testing - and I hadn't realised I was accidentally reviewing that Jun 27 22:27:55 cehteh: Nokia fail Jun 27 22:28:00 on my most recent SSD install, I did ext4 minus journal ;) Jun 27 22:28:19 last time i tried ext4 was *much* faster than ext3 ... Jun 27 22:28:42 yeah but i dont think 2.6.28 can handle no-journal ext4 already Jun 27 22:28:46 ext4-minus-journal will be faster than both Jun 27 22:28:49 crashanddie, I wish I could give you a thanks on that pot... Jun 27 22:29:01 i can try .. backing up first Jun 27 22:29:03 cehteh: Ubuntu 10.04 can Jun 27 22:29:19 just need to edit /etc/mke2fs.conf before formatting Jun 27 22:29:24 remove journal from the ext4 options Jun 27 22:29:27 yes i forgotten when this was added to the kernel, but i think later than .28 Jun 27 22:29:51 anyhow, journal is *always* bad for performance Jun 27 22:30:04 it exists to prevent data loss, but on flash-block actually increases data risk Jun 27 22:30:20 i was playing with no-journal on DVD-RAM media some time ago and i remember when i started my kernel was to old for that Jun 27 22:30:28 journal is not always bad Jun 27 22:30:36 ruskie: :) Jun 27 22:30:40 journal on flash-block is :p Jun 27 22:30:49 if you place the journal on a extra device it might improve performance Jun 27 22:30:53 ... Jun 27 22:31:11 Journaling FS canbe good for flash. Jun 27 22:31:25 SpeedEvil: that's not the same as a simple journal Jun 27 22:31:26 anyways delalloc and extents give a huge performance boost Jun 27 22:31:31 journal only works if it can be written before the actual changes are made Jun 27 22:31:45 due to the nature of block-emulation on SD cards and such, there is no such guarantee Jun 27 22:31:53 luke-jr: well i was thinking SD-cards emulate write ordering Jun 27 22:32:01 cehteh: IIRC, they don't Jun 27 22:32:10 so you dont know? :) Jun 27 22:32:13 IIRCD Jun 27 22:32:14 IIRC* Jun 27 22:32:19 :P Jun 27 22:32:37 it would be silly if they did Jun 27 22:32:46 since write ordering is more wear Jun 27 22:32:53 well i just put ext4 on it .. at worst some files written to get damaged Jun 27 22:32:57 <_0x471> ls -lah Jun 27 22:33:01 <_0x471> oh Jun 27 22:33:02 <_0x471> lol Jun 27 22:33:03 <_0x471> sry Jun 27 22:33:17 cehteh: at worst, the whole FS is destroyed :) Jun 27 22:33:26 nah Jun 27 22:33:45 extfs fsck is quite good :P Jun 27 22:33:56 good at making corruption worse1 Jun 27 22:33:58 ! Jun 27 22:34:00 :p Jun 27 22:34:24 well and MyDoc and mmc1 isnt that important for the device operation, as long i backup there is no problem Jun 27 22:34:39 this is how fiq is doing a modify of FS: Jun 27 22:34:58 * don't ever backup, it takes too much time Jun 27 22:35:02 * just do the job Jun 27 22:35:03 .................... Jun 27 22:35:13 am i doing smth wrong? :3 Jun 27 22:37:33 i've been lucky this far Jun 27 22:38:56 mhm no ionice ... ok i didnt really expect it Jun 27 22:39:49 but stuttering webradio while rsyncing sux Jun 27 22:40:09 ok, this: it's uncommon that i have something important stored on my computer Jun 27 22:40:23 the worst thing that could happen is that i lose my irclogs Jun 27 22:40:25 or smth Jun 27 22:40:32 don't really care Jun 27 22:40:41 if i _have_ smth important Jun 27 22:40:49 which has happened ONE time Jun 27 22:40:51 i backup Jun 27 22:41:07 nokia used awesomely fast eMMC chips :P Jun 27 22:41:12 *yawn* Jun 27 22:41:47 copying from µSD to mmc at 1MB/sec Jun 27 22:42:25 ouch Jun 27 22:42:48 very fast card Jun 27 22:43:06 The card itself does about 6M sequential write Jun 27 22:43:14 cehteh: nothing to do with that Jun 27 22:43:16 yes Jun 27 22:43:23 probably a buffer issue Jun 27 22:43:28 cehteh: dd will get you ~10 meg or better read and write Jun 27 22:43:37 but with 3 different things on it, it becomes random I/O, and that's friggin slow Jun 27 22:43:40 fs overhead Jun 27 22:43:59 mmc/sd is like a tape drive, it's fast as long as there are no seeks :P Jun 27 22:44:05 No. Jun 27 22:44:14 It's fast as long as there are no seeks to write. Jun 27 22:44:15 not really Jun 27 22:44:23 Seeks to read are _much_ less painful. Jun 27 22:44:25 more like that Jun 27 22:44:27 (though not free) Jun 27 22:44:37 right, random reads are fastish still :) Jun 27 22:44:56 And surprisingly, the two busses aren't that contended. Jun 27 22:45:17 Do dd if=/dev/mmc0 and dd if=/dev/mmc1 at the same time - and you get a speed of almost double. Jun 27 22:46:01 anyway, need to feed the ATM with a 10EUR note, so the withdrawal for the uUSB->mini-USB adapter won't fail :-S cya Jun 27 22:46:09 wave. Jun 27 22:52:24 on a sidenote: I remember some 30 years ago some camera frak told me he always cleans his lenses with cigarette papers, as the soft cloth of paper towels catches hard dust and scratches it over the lens surface, while hard paper pushes away every dust particles. Wonder if same applies to touchscreens, or it's a urban legend all together Jun 27 22:53:50 DocScrutinizer: if I start hijacking #Maemo for a game, will I get banned? Jun 27 22:53:50 (obviously I was just cleaning the ts with a towel) Jun 27 22:54:14 dunno, try it :-P Jun 27 22:54:45 ]y Jun 27 22:54:48 A yandere game is starting in 60 seconds! Please type "]yandere" to join. Jun 27 22:54:50 the way you feel you should ask this, it sugests the answer is yes Jun 27 22:55:14 bad logic Jun 27 22:55:25 join :P Jun 27 22:55:34 cehteh, ShadowJK, and SpeedEvil too Jun 27 22:55:35 I leave Jun 27 22:55:37 aww Jun 27 22:55:46 We don't have enough players yet. We need at least 4 players to start a game. I'll wait for another 60 seconds. Please type "]yandere" to join. Jun 27 22:56:02 The doctor *can't* leave #maemo! Jun 27 22:56:07 yandere... Jun 27 22:56:11 never heard about Jun 27 22:56:21 maybe it's just in wrong language Jun 27 22:56:35 (that i know the swe but not the eng word of it) Jun 27 22:56:46 FredrIQ: it's a Japanese word Jun 27 22:56:48 There aren't enough players to start a yandere game. Try again later. Jun 27 22:56:50 ah Jun 27 22:56:52 I don't think there's an English equivalent Jun 27 22:56:55 ok then Jun 27 22:57:07 then i've not played it ever i guess Jun 27 22:57:09 * ShadowJK forgets which is which Jun 27 22:57:11 SpeedEvil: lrn2ask nicely? Jun 27 22:57:19 FredrIQ: it's like mafia Jun 27 22:57:23 and I don't think I want to know Jun 27 22:57:44 ]part nobody interested Jun 27 22:59:12 isn't yakuza like mafia.. Jun 27 22:59:29 never heard of yakuza Jun 27 22:59:43 perm Yandere channel is #yandere FWIW Jun 27 23:00:06 I think yandere is like this word describing a stereotypical mental female Jun 27 23:00:18 but I forget in what way mental Jun 27 23:00:19 psychotic and violent, too Jun 27 23:00:36 the game starts with the yandere killing someone off Jun 27 23:00:37 :p Jun 27 23:01:15 "Japanese term for a person who is initially very loving and gentle to someone before their devotion becomes destructive in nature, often through violence." Jun 27 23:03:05 http://launchpad.net/yandere ;) Jun 27 23:03:51 * luke-jr ponders a global real-time yandere for Maemo users Jun 27 23:04:22 SpeedEvil, you're forgetting something :) Jun 27 23:04:23 eg, GPS needs to register within N km of the target's current/last GPS location to spy/etc on them Jun 27 23:04:37 MohammadAG51: I'm forgetting a lot. Jun 27 23:05:14 SpeedEvil, +o :) Jun 27 23:06:06 Oh - missed that Jun 27 23:06:46 "oh - missed that" and forgetting to put it off Jun 27 23:07:00 lol Jun 27 23:07:04 £away afk Jun 27 23:07:09 ups Jun 27 23:07:37 failing on that with the /nickserv identify would be... well, fail Jun 27 23:07:43 anyway, afk Jun 27 23:07:47 pretty common Jun 27 23:07:48 :P Jun 27 23:08:00 heh Jun 27 23:08:39 hey, anyone here use microb w/ news.google.com? Jun 27 23:08:54 i've been using http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/mmcu.tar to make my life less painful... Jun 27 23:16:05 timeless_mbp: I have on and off, grr works better most of the time imho Jun 27 23:16:26 timeless_mbp: and cursor mode helps since kb shortcuts work, mainly space etc Jun 27 23:16:56 http://i.imgur.com/Yd4xq.png Jun 27 23:17:43 asj: give that file a try Jun 27 23:17:55 extract it from ~ Jun 27 23:19:44 * SpeedEvil is unsure it's possible to deop with pidgin. Jun 27 23:21:13 how do I make the maps I download go on eMMC and not mem card? Jun 27 23:21:35 don't have a memory card? :) Jun 27 23:24:43 Classy dude right here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=731940&postcount=39 Jun 27 23:25:53 SpeedEvil, /deop already :P Jun 27 23:26:23 I can't. Jun 27 23:26:33 oh Jun 27 23:26:35 meh Jun 27 23:26:46 pidgin was being spectacularly unhelpful Jun 27 23:26:52 lol :p Jun 27 23:26:57 I'm sure I tried that before. Jun 27 23:27:02 does anyone know something about SMS message decodifying? Jun 27 23:27:19 ptl: it'you mean taking out of 'PDU' format? Jun 27 23:27:38 ptl: it's just a wierd 7 letter alphabet. (well, in the 'west') Jun 27 23:27:58 http://www.dreamfabric.com/sms/ Jun 27 23:28:07 I've got some messages that come with header data format 00000000, and that's usual 7-bits format; others that come with header 00001000 and that's 16-bit format; but I've got some that come from the web as 00000010 and it's some crazy encoding I can't figure out. Jun 27 23:28:27 :-/ Jun 27 23:28:30 SpeedEvil: yes, the program I use decodes both the 7-bit alphabet and the UTF-16 alphabet Jun 27 23:28:36 but there's something else Jun 27 23:30:16 and judgin by the array of bytes, that has a smaller length than the actual message, it must be a compressed format like 7-bits Jun 27 23:30:46 49 data bytes corresponded to 59 text characters Jun 27 23:31:16 I've read dreamfabric's description, no clue to what's happening to me Jun 27 23:33:44 What happens if you send them to a normal phone? Jun 27 23:34:09 Also - as a first cut - if this is something a reasonable user might do, and it doesn't work with n900 - submit a bug. Jun 27 23:35:10 * SpeedEvil sings "Every Bug is sacred" - to the tune of a similar name from The Meaning Of Life. Jun 27 23:35:30 every bug is good Jun 27 23:35:41 and if a bug is wasted... Jun 27 23:35:47 the protocol identifier header shows as 01110010 Jun 27 23:35:52 SpeedEvil: N900 decodes them correctly Jun 27 23:36:15 SpeedEvil: and correctly shows the string: web: (www.torpedogratis.net) Some message Patola Jun 27 23:36:34 SpeedEvil: I need to know how to do that. Jun 27 23:36:41 isn't the bit that decodes them opensource? Jun 27 23:36:48 or is that just the db they are stored in Jun 27 23:36:50 Is it? Jun 27 23:36:54 I dunno Jun 27 23:36:58 Unsure Jun 27 23:37:19 :( Jun 27 23:38:40 and I don't even know how to search for that bit Jun 27 23:38:54 some system daemon? part of hildon-something? Jun 27 23:39:05 dunno Jun 27 23:40:07 :[ Jun 27 23:40:40 http://www.google.de/search?q=site:http://nobbi.com/+pdu&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Jun 27 23:42:49 yes but I thought it couldn't be the 8-bits format since the length of the byte array was smaller than the length of the text message. Jun 27 23:43:16 pduspy? hmm, lemme see Jun 27 23:45:06 seems nice, a good tool to help me out on that. Thanks, DocScrutinizer51. Do you know if it works in Wine? Jun 27 23:45:38 sorry, no idea. What's Wine? :-P Jun 27 23:46:09 a drink created in Redmond? Jun 27 23:46:54 It works!!! Nice!! Jun 27 23:55:35 DocScrutinizer51: Found it! Thanks! Jun 27 23:56:03 "no SMSC header (according to TS 3GPP 23.040) Jun 27 23:56:10 now to understand what this means... lol Jun 27 23:59:15 anyway, PDUspy decoded it correctly. Jun 28 00:01:06 ptl: trying to implement the IPoverSMS protocol that was on /. last week? Jun 28 00:01:58 asj: I don't know what you are talking about... I don't think so, I was just trying to figure out the format of a weird SMS I got on my phone; N900 decoded it correctly but my python program didn't. Jun 28 00:03:10 ptl: some US Uni published some protocol, or study of moving largish quantities of data over SMS. Mainly targeted at poor areas with I can't remember what problems Jun 28 00:03:43 asj: definitely not that Jun 28 00:07:50 asj: insane Jun 28 00:08:14 If SMSs happen to be free there - they will _very_ rapidly stop people taking the piss like that. Jun 28 00:08:18 SpeedEvil: they were moving on the order of 16,000 smss Jun 28 00:08:28 * DocScrutinizer wonders which of the 5 cigars to smoke now Jun 28 00:08:29 yes Jun 28 00:08:42 the 6th one DocScrutinizer Jun 28 00:08:47 asj: here that would cost me 1600 pounds or so (on my current tarrif) Jun 28 00:08:59 Around $2500 Jun 28 00:09:17 SpeedEvil: that's cheap, we used to pay 0.25/message, so $4000, receiver paid too, so $8000 Jun 28 00:09:35 damn, some idiots did same shit with ISDN pre-call signalling Jun 28 00:09:42 SpeedEvil, the LEDs in torch mode are safe to run for say... 2-3 hours right? Jun 28 00:09:50 and I think even with SMS Jun 28 00:09:54 MohammadAG51: I believe so. Jun 28 00:10:06 MohammadAG51: yes Jun 28 00:10:13 MohammadAG51: I've had them on for 5 hours, wih no measured depreciation in light output with my lux meter. Jun 28 00:10:32 thanks :) Jun 28 00:10:35 SpeedEvil: fair enough Jun 28 00:10:42 I think an argument was robustness in low bw areas or something. Presumably this would need the cooperation of the telco. Jun 28 00:11:19 It's basically 'I can't think of anything sane to write a thesis on'. Jun 28 00:11:23 IMO. Jun 28 00:11:30 SpeedEvil: hehe, touche Jun 28 00:12:07 * DocScrutinizer remembers his 6210 (1999) had a setting "WAP over SMS / WAP over APN" Jun 28 00:12:45 so probably that's a rather poor choice for a thesis Jun 28 00:13:52 maybe write a thesis about ping? Jun 28 00:14:08 equally exciting Jun 28 00:14:53 http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/editors/25364/ -- ah Waterloo, and it was 80,000 messages, lol Jun 28 00:15:16 sounds familiar, yes Jun 28 00:16:52 nah, that's again the epigons Jun 28 00:17:28 been there, seen that, 10 years ago Jun 28 00:17:56 DocScrutinizer: agreed, I don't see why it's that new...other than rural china is getting cell towers now, so they get 10 year old ideas recycled Jun 28 00:18:32 yes, and they do same shit again, ruining a nice service by abusing it Jun 28 00:20:46 we had some SMS alike transfer of data with ISDN call establishing (some text shows up in your phone's display when inbound call rings) - some idiot invented an 'alternative' to dial-up daza connections supposedly free of charge. 2 weeks later the service was disabled on all ISDN networks Jun 28 00:21:27 There are valuable things to be done with SMS. Jun 28 00:21:37 the SMS-irc/or_twitter/or_whatever gateway is even some years older, and went along the same line, when SMS was for free here in Germany Jun 28 00:21:51 Gait analysis, typing analysis, and lexical analysis, with input from GPS, to prevent drunk texting. Jun 28 00:23:23 SpeedEvil: is stopping drunk texting really the most important thing people should be putting time into? People have to grow up some how Jun 28 00:23:41 and nothing like your ex-gf sending your drunk txt to all your friends for you to learn ;) Jun 28 00:29:57 luke-jr: fyi the n900 power-kernel doesnt support no-journal ext4 Jun 28 00:30:50 * DocScrutinizer wonders how the FSCK the "power kernel" has managed to get into extras Jun 28 00:31:04 DocScrutinizer: not -devel? Jun 28 00:31:14 nope, Jun 28 00:31:27 wow....that would seem a tad dangerous to unleash Jun 28 00:31:35 found it in HAM when there was NO additional repo enabled Jun 28 00:31:40 its a dependecy of mobilehotspot :) Jun 28 00:31:58 yeah, nuke mobilehotspot for that Jun 28 00:32:00 and mobilehotspot shouldn't be in extras based on my use of it last week Jun 28 00:32:02 well really i dont know, and i dont recommend that kernel to anyone Jun 28 00:32:08 but its good that its there Jun 28 00:32:21 but not in EXTRAS!! Jun 28 00:32:31 yes in extras ... Jun 28 00:33:03 ok, I'll promote my SoC-fry app to extras then Jun 28 00:33:12 awareness and discoverability outweight is drawbacks Jun 28 00:33:17 do that Jun 28 00:33:38 cehteh: that's mere BS. Jun 28 00:33:53 well for me it came with mobilehotspot but mobilehotspot didnt worked yet Jun 28 00:34:27 but while at it i tried some other things .. hey finally i overclock to 750Mhz and doing some undervolting Jun 28 00:34:39 awareness and discoverability are exactly what forbids a potetially hazardous hacker thing like power kernel in extras, which by definition is considered safe Jun 28 00:34:43 from a purely pragmatic point of view, I think the prime concern is how safe is the isntall/removal. If it bricks to many devices you don't want nokia seeing it as a failure of the community system and stomping their foot Jun 28 00:35:07 actually this gives a decent battery boost .. i was biking 5 hours today with mappero running and lost only 2 battery bars Jun 28 00:35:24 with the default kernel and gps battery was almost flat after 4 hours Jun 28 00:36:03 cehteh: sorry, you're an id.. err dangerously uninformed. Undervolting doesn't help anything except a minimal reduce in power consumption Jun 28 00:36:07 asj: yeah install/deinstall works, the power kernel people did a great job meanwhile Jun 28 00:36:25 it won't fix or minimize the damage done by overclocking Jun 28 00:36:41 cehteh: it's not about working once, or twice it's about working 100k times. a 1% failure rate mean 1000 bricked phones Jun 28 00:37:03 thats why i dont try insane overclocking most of the time my device is below 600Mhz anyways Jun 28 00:37:42 and evidence speaks against you .. i was biking 2 weeks ago with exactly the same but stock kernel and it sucked way more battery Jun 28 00:37:42 cehteh: so you just installed the power user kernel and get improved battery or was there something else you did? Jun 28 00:38:22 pyhimys: configuring this undervolting/overclocking stuff .. by default it should work like the stock kernel (but it does not!) Jun 28 00:38:27 pyther: Jun 28 00:38:44 I had it installed last week (with no tweeks, no overclocking) and it seems playing mp3s is ate more power than normal. Jun 28 00:38:58 well .. actually Maep crashes the device .. but well it did that before too, but now way more often Jun 28 00:39:25 cehteh: it doesn't automagically under/over clock does it? Jun 28 00:39:34 no it does not Jun 28 00:39:54 and by enabling a lot other stuff in the kernel i could imagine that it needs little more juice Jun 28 00:40:10 ok, then I probably will simply prefer to stick with the stock kernel Jun 28 00:40:13 but this things are really hard to measure so i am careful Jun 28 00:40:19 cehteh: that's mere handwaving Jun 28 00:40:51 DocScrutinizer: well yes, i just 'think' it works for me, actually i am pretty sure (for this specific use-case) Jun 28 00:41:04 but i dont recommend or expect that it works for anyone else Jun 28 00:41:40 i mean using 40% less battery charge is something i notice, whatever you try to tell me :) Jun 28 00:42:19 cehteh: you claim it has better power management, by doing ONE(!!!) test, you don't know anything about reduced lifetime of the SoC, and your rationale is mere guessing Jun 28 00:42:35 lemme see if i can locate the bike trip 2 weeks ago on battery graph Jun 28 00:43:00 I get 40% less battery consumption, when it's weekend and low traffic on IRC Jun 28 00:43:14 i had irc off on both occations Jun 28 00:43:23 no undervolting shit Jun 28 00:43:26 just mapper Jun 28 00:43:47 DocScrutinizer: you use your n900 for irc all the time? Jun 28 00:43:55 uhuh, and you probably also had GPRS disabled aka flightmode, yes? Jun 28 00:43:57 i often do too Jun 28 00:44:09 DocScrutinizer: nope GSM .. Jun 28 00:44:50 pyther: sounds like a challenge, how much traffic can we send to DocScrutinizer before his battery dies and he falls offline ;) Jun 28 00:44:56 even with GSM without ANY data connection you possibly can suck a battery to flat in 4h, merely by cell handover Jun 28 00:45:27 yeah .. i'll watch it some more times Jun 28 00:46:15 maybe i should bike exactly the same route again with the power kernel :P Jun 28 00:46:17 asj: haha Jun 28 00:46:42 I got about 6-7 hrs using my phone straight installing new software and playing with it Jun 28 00:46:50 of course I had a brand new battery Jun 28 00:46:55 cehteh: it's not a fair test. You need to buy a 2nd n900 and have them both side-by-side Jun 28 00:47:11 asj: i have xchat over openvpn and about 30 channels open .. at home on wlan battery lasts about 12-14 hours this way Jun 28 00:47:25 * pahartik installed "kernel-power" immediately because IPv6 is specific requirement for my "Nokia N900" Jun 28 00:47:30 and a power meter between the battery and device on both, since the bats aren't the same Jun 28 00:47:57 There is already a power meter inside the n900 Jun 28 00:48:10 yeah i now try ext4 again (did that long time ago with t-tans kernel) Jun 28 00:48:14 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter Jun 28 00:48:53 the overclocking/undervolting is just a plaything but there are a lot other useful things in the power kernel Jun 28 00:49:47 DocScrutinizer: the Cortex has no self-protection when overheating or anything like that (SM mode?) Jun 28 00:56:47 No. Jun 28 00:56:59 (and the damage is not due to overheating) Jun 28 00:58:21 well at some point its due oveheating Jun 28 00:58:37 pyther, most people technically have poorer battery the first time they start installing/playing with everything Jun 28 00:58:45 because they overload device and are always busy etc Jun 28 00:59:12 pleased you had a positive experience and hope it lasts Jun 28 00:59:26 after few weeks battery improves because you use the device less often .. and then battery degrading sets in :P Jun 28 00:59:44 i havent noticed Jun 28 00:59:54 my battery gets better and better as patches to os come in Jun 28 00:59:59 well i dont treat my battery well Jun 28 01:00:02 :) and ive got the oldest device around Jun 28 01:00:13 cehteh, i abuse my device horribly Jun 28 01:00:27 its a good job there isnt a protection society for them Jun 28 01:00:29 at home i leave it connected to usb or charger all day long Jun 28 01:00:42 i prefer to have a full battery when i leave the house Jun 28 01:00:51 do you leave screen on whilst charging Jun 28 01:00:58 no Jun 28 01:01:06 reasonable Jun 28 01:01:41 well liion dont like constantly at full charge .. mine degraded already a bit Jun 28 01:02:28 anyways i watch and see if this normal-form-factor 1700mah 3rd party batteries are at least half decent (thats more than 1320mah) Jun 28 01:02:31 cehteh, are you sure you did not just settle with a rather full working set of apps Jun 28 01:03:22 depends usually i dont have too much open Jun 28 01:04:04 webradio/mp3 almost always, and then sometimes few browser windows and whatever else i need Jun 28 01:09:39 Mornin' Jun 28 01:10:55 Evenin' Jun 28 01:11:28 Night Jun 28 01:11:32 I've found a bug that seems to be triggered in Hildon-Desktop by a specific widget. Should I file that under H-D or the widget itself? Jun 28 01:12:39 If the widget is conforming to the API - then hildon Jun 28 01:12:41 I'd file it under H-D. Jun 28 01:13:07 SpeedEvil, it's OMWeather, so I'd assume so. Jun 28 01:13:10 Well written code should be bullet proof. Jun 28 01:13:13 Thanks. Jun 28 01:14:24 * GAN900 doesn't know why we had to change the name for the MeeGo "Conference" Jun 28 01:14:54 What a depressingly corporate introduction Jun 28 01:16:00 Oh, it's no longer a Summit? Lame. Jun 28 01:16:17 Monday-Wednesday, too. Jun 28 01:16:27 How anti-community. Jun 28 01:34:54 Hi Jun 28 01:35:14 hello Jun 28 01:36:08 Incase anyone is interested, I have reverse engineered the network protocol of the FiOS TV Mobile Remote, if you have FiOS TV it is now possible to control your set top box via a Network. I have released the software here: http://github.com/oneman/FiosRemote Need testers! Jun 28 01:36:45 :) Jun 28 01:38:14 The reversing came from the android verizion fios mobile remote software, so now someone could write a special or generic remote control software for maemo and use the knowledge in that code to make it compatible with controlling FiOS TV STB's over a network Jun 28 01:38:45 Awesome! Good one! Jun 28 01:39:20 I live in the Barren Wastelands of the North, where we don't have such magical things - otherwise I'd be right on it. :P Jun 28 01:39:42 er... Canada, that is. Jun 28 01:40:38 aye Jun 28 01:41:45 oneman: do you have reference code, or just specs? Jun 28 01:42:42 Reference code mainly, I havn't fully documented the protocol, but I would talk to anyone about it who is interested Jun 28 01:44:24 Hmm... well, as I said, I can't be of much help. I'm wondering, though... wasn't there a generic remote control app for Diablo that had a network backend of some sort? Jun 28 01:44:35 Let me grab my N810 Jun 28 01:44:39 ...from my belt. Jun 28 01:44:54 I'm sick - this is an effort. :P (okay, just a cold...) Jun 28 01:44:56 hows the usb otg? Jun 28 01:45:09 ohwhyme: on the N900? Jun 28 01:45:12 yup Jun 28 01:45:25 cant really check the progress anymore since the thread is closed Jun 28 01:45:41 Oh, I missed that. Did it devolve into inanity? Jun 28 01:47:13 ohwhyme: there's another thread where any real progress will get reported Jun 28 01:47:28 ohwhyme: If it's working, it will be widely trumpeted. Jun 28 01:47:32 ah Jun 28 01:47:34 thanks :) Jun 28 01:47:46 currently progress is a bit stalled. Jun 28 01:47:52 anyone watch the england vs germany game? Jun 28 01:48:02 ohwhyme: several tens of thousands. Jun 28 01:48:22 oneman, yeah, irreco was it, as I thought. Jun 28 01:48:29 who won? Jun 28 01:48:36 Maybe take a look-see at what writing a backend for it would take. Jun 28 01:48:40 germany 4-1 Jun 28 01:48:47 although lampard should have gotten a goal Jun 28 01:49:05 ohwhyme: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52227&page=18 Jun 28 01:49:53 jaem_n900: oneman: that's lirc basically Jun 28 01:50:01 irreco based on lirc Jun 28 01:50:30 DocScrutinizer: Isn't lirc just one backend for it? Jun 28 01:50:48 I don't know much about the app, but that's how it appears to be packaged. Jun 28 01:51:28 lirc is the engine, irreco is the GUI Jun 28 01:51:36 aiui Jun 28 01:52:16 lirc has a socket afaik, probably irreco is controlling lirc that way Jun 28 01:52:28 http://irreco.garage.maemo.org/documentation.html - First bit Jun 28 02:20:33 * SpeedEvil finds a kernel bug. Jun 28 02:20:38 echo 1 >/proc/timer_stats;sleep 5;echo 0 >/proc/timer_stats ;cat /proc/timer_stats Jun 28 02:20:44 THERE IS NO AWK! Jun 28 02:20:55 (Ok, it's a really minor bug) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jun 28 02:59:57 2010