**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 01 02:59:57 2010 Jul 01 03:02:23 when people wake up their mouth stinks so no its not Jul 01 03:06:19 hmm Jul 01 04:13:11 heh. i'm still kind of ticked that my bug for bluetooth keyboard support was marked as invalid Jul 01 04:13:15 :) Jul 01 04:13:48 because i didn't fill out the 20 page form that shows what my ssn is... where i was born.. what i like to do for fun..my blood type.. what version of maemo i run.. etc Jul 01 04:14:28 and that my request for "add bluetooth keyboard support and place it in the settings app so people can use bluetooth keyboards with direct support" was "vague" Jul 01 04:14:31 hahaha Jul 01 04:14:36 awesome Jul 01 04:23:21 Macer: probably if you think about it this way, then not even providing info about preferred position for sexual intercourse of the last 10 generations in your family would help Jul 01 04:24:39 ... Jul 01 04:24:44 people have preferred positions? Jul 01 04:25:15 I'd think that would get old... Jul 01 04:25:15 luke-jr: really like who doesn't Jul 01 04:25:55 Macer: sounds like it should have been closed with "Out of Scope" Jul 01 04:26:36 which is worst? 1st or 3rd degree burns? Jul 01 04:26:56 I just got the *other* kind of burn. :( Jul 01 04:27:14 need to be more careful pouring vigourously boiling water... Jul 01 04:27:29 haha Jul 01 04:27:36 actually, it might be 2nd degree :/ Jul 01 04:27:47 DocScrutinizer: yeah. i forgot that part Jul 01 04:28:09 asj: out of scope? :) Jul 01 04:28:50 i'm sorry but i simply can not understand how m4 had perfectly good bt keyboard support but in m5 it is out of scope Jul 01 04:29:10 Macer: nah, you forgot to provide devels with a crisp terse exact description of your problem, along the lines common on tracker Jul 01 04:29:31 Macer: it has a keyboard, why would you want two ;) I'm teasing you Jul 01 04:29:53 DocScrutinizer: add bluetooth keyboard support seems pretty straightforward Jul 01 04:29:53 Macer: just yell 'regression' loud enough Jul 01 04:30:11 luke-jr: like the braveheart "freedom" screaming moment at the end? Jul 01 04:31:21 ah well. i suppose having my ghetto bt keyboard support will do for the time being.. but i would think that with things like koffice and openoffice (which already works in the chroot) that someone might think that it would be nice to be able to use an actual keyboard on this thing :) Jul 01 04:32:01 i just can't see myself typing on the phone qwerty for 10 pages :) but typing on a bt keyboard to the phone using openoffice would be nice to do Jul 01 04:32:28 mhm Jul 01 04:33:57 (DocScrutinizer: add bluetooth keyboard support seems pretty straightforward) No, even this has assumptions Jul 01 04:34:16 maybe the devel has working BT support on his device? Jul 01 04:35:20 maybe i should have put "make bluetooth keyboard support work like it did in maemo 4" Jul 01 04:35:39 yes, for a headline that's a start Jul 01 04:35:50 well. now it's hindsight Jul 01 04:36:12 then there's option b ... making the same request a million times until someone bans my acct on bugzilla Jul 01 04:36:31 every time it is marked as invalid just re-issue it :) Jul 01 04:36:51 i mean i'm sure there are probably already a ton of people doing that for portrait desktop support Jul 01 04:43:52 Macer: that's too long for a bug title and you assume the person used maemo4 Jul 01 04:44:27 (it's too long to be catchy anyways) Jul 01 05:23:16 http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2010/06/full-analysis-of-iphone-economics-its-bad-news-and-then-it-gets-worse.html Jul 01 05:23:19 Ehehehe Jul 01 05:32:23 I think his numbers are out of whack Jul 01 05:32:36 "Today if you decide to develop a free app, you pay your $35,000 development" Jul 01 05:35:28 I'm not sure simple apps really cost $35,000 to develop, that's half a man year at 70k/year for example, assuming you're paying yourself for spare time work. Either way I think that's a looney number to start Jul 01 05:39:33 asj: Also, the article doesn't take into account that not all the apps exist because they're meant to bring revenue to the developers. Jul 01 05:39:53 There are lots of apps that complement some other service. Jul 01 05:40:11 Like facebook app, youtube app, cnn surely has some app, etc. Jul 01 05:40:30 good point Jul 01 05:40:43 You need to exclude all those to get any sane numbers Jul 01 05:41:21 Although he does exclude them from the revenue calculation :) Jul 01 05:42:11 I'm quite sure iFart didnt take $35,000 to develop :) Jul 01 05:42:30 :D Jul 01 05:42:49 it's an odd article, and I'll always fall back to my uncle. develops iphone apps in his spare time, simple dumb apps he bangs out in a few weeks. Let's say an app brings in $1000. That's not bad really Jul 01 05:43:38 ljp: well...you don't know the modelling costs....it's hard to get a model to fart on demand with just the right sound, and then you get a cargo load and you have to toss the mic... Jul 01 05:45:15 hey Jul 01 05:45:31 i wanted to store username and passwords on mameo Jul 01 05:45:50 is there anything like a wallet fo maemo Jul 01 05:46:03 yes, look in the app manager Jul 01 05:46:11 there's 3 at least Jul 01 05:46:35 anything built in Jul 01 05:46:37 ? Jul 01 05:46:46 Jul 01 05:46:50 i want to use with an app i;m makein Jul 01 05:47:37 nothing built in Jul 01 05:48:13 the only thing that uses password beyond wifi is microb? Jul 01 05:48:49 waht do the inbuilt apps like the im& voip use to store the details? Jul 01 05:49:00 do they store it by themselves? Jul 01 05:50:40 kshlm: probably, single use device doesn't have such high security issues...unless you lose your phone Jul 01 05:52:42 asj: right now i'm forcing the user to login everytime, looks like in terms of security this will be better Jul 01 05:52:59 asj: but it is frustating to login everytime Jul 01 05:54:05 kshlm: depends on the security and the number of times the user has to login, but you have the option of allowing it to be stored and then having the user set a lock code if he wants it Jul 01 05:54:21 kshlm: phone lock code that is Jul 01 05:56:47 asj: security not needed much Jul 01 05:57:31 asj: think i'll just store the stuff in a configuration file Jul 01 05:59:48 kshlm: :) Jul 01 05:59:55 * luke-jr ponders hacking a MicroCell and upping the range to the max unregulated Jul 01 06:00:09 (and redirecting calls/data to my own network, of course) Jul 01 06:00:40 asj: thanks for helping me decide :) Jul 01 06:01:09 kshlm: make sure to rot13 is before storing it to keep it safe ;) Jul 01 06:01:52 two times rot13 for doubled security!!11 Jul 01 06:01:53 good evening everyone. Has anyone ever used http://keepvid.com on a desktop/workstation? you paste the url of a youtube video and it then gives you links to various formats you can download for that video, some of which are the HQ versions. Now I use this a lot on the desktop, works nicely and it does use java. However, when I try to use it on the n900, it loads and loads the java applet, but nothing after that happens. Usually on the desktop you have to like a Jul 01 06:02:27 n900 has no java, afaik Jul 01 06:02:32 any idea what I can do here to make it work off the n900? would be nice to be able to download a hq video of a youtube vid and just show it to others offline later on (sort of like mytube, but that doesn't do hq ones) Jul 01 06:02:33 thus, no applets either Jul 01 06:02:38 Wolfie: I see Jul 01 06:03:04 asj: will kepp it in mind Jul 01 06:03:33 uuh.. "evening". 9am here :) Jul 01 06:03:53 vanadismobile: I used 4x rot13 on this message, that's why you can't read it ;p Jul 01 06:04:58 pretty hardcore asj Jul 01 06:12:57 can anyone think of why an app built debug would crash calling atexit()? Jul 01 06:34:30 Good morning Jul 01 06:40:48 mornin o/ Jul 01 06:45:13 what's up here? Jul 01 06:50:58 Hi! Is there a thread on tmo comparing all the available browsers for Maemo5? Jul 01 06:52:43 a few Jul 01 06:53:29 whoa! 17 votes over night :O Jul 01 06:53:32 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/black-plastic-theme/2.000/ Jul 01 06:54:28 hi Jul 01 06:54:33 Hi Jul 01 06:55:29 D-Iivili_Work:just installed gpsd, where's the gps device file in maemo? Jul 01 06:55:43 aretrfre34, come again? Jul 01 06:55:51 ok Jul 01 06:55:52 gps device file in maemo? Jul 01 06:56:25 sorry, in n900 maemo os Jul 01 06:56:39 What do you mean by gpd device file? Jul 01 06:57:33 not gpd, GPS Jul 01 06:57:48 sorry, typo. What do you mean by GPS device file? Jul 01 06:58:40 aretrfre34, in short: what do you want to do? Jul 01 07:04:59 great anyways Jul 01 07:07:52 Morning, all Jul 01 07:08:05 Morning Jaffa Jul 01 07:08:07 morning Jaffa Jul 01 07:08:18 rotten day Jul 01 07:08:41 weather yesterday on the tram claimed itd be sunny today :| Jul 01 07:09:01 it was sunny today Jul 01 07:10:08 not in HEL :[ Jul 01 07:13:44 morning Jul 01 07:14:53 Hey guys. Jul 01 07:15:04 Anyone playing with that MeeGo drop? Jul 01 07:21:11 morning Jul 01 07:31:01 ok, i'm back - i'm the guy who chsh'd and locked himself out of his n900 - any more ideas before i reflash? Jul 01 07:31:19 Can someone tell me how to display a notification banner from command line? Jul 01 07:31:27 kerio, uhm, how far does it boot? Jul 01 07:31:38 I mean the basic "maemo" notification banner (yellow) which pops up ie. when you connect a charger Jul 01 07:31:39 johnx: it's still on Jul 01 07:31:53 i don't want to reboot because i'm really afraid it's not going to boot Jul 01 07:31:57 D-Iivili_Work: I think there's a dbus call Jul 01 07:32:01 what did you chsh to? Jul 01 07:32:09 /bin/bash Jul 01 07:32:14 and now x terminal crashes before loading Jul 01 07:32:22 and i can't change it back Jul 01 07:32:22 :/ Jul 01 07:32:24 can you ssh to it? Jul 01 07:32:26 kerio: sshd installed? Jul 01 07:32:28 nope Jul 01 07:32:36 asj: yeah, but i didn't set a password for user Jul 01 07:32:37 what happens if you try to install it? Jul 01 07:32:40 asj, thanks! Jul 01 07:32:43 asj, found it :) Jul 01 07:32:46 and it doesn't let me login as root Jul 01 07:32:51 johnx: no, it's installed Jul 01 07:32:55 aah Jul 01 07:33:04 meh, screw this, i'm reflashing Jul 01 07:33:09 alright Jul 01 07:33:14 kerio: use the app manager and reinstall it Jul 01 07:33:23 no way to run commands as root and no way to write in /etc/shells means i can't change the shell back anyway Jul 01 07:33:23 set the root password when it asks, then log in :) Jul 01 07:33:29 asj: i did Jul 01 07:33:34 it's the correct password Jul 01 07:33:36 bugger Jul 01 07:33:52 i looked at /etc/passwd and crypto'ed it on my computer and it's the same Jul 01 07:34:26 did you install the bash package? Jul 01 07:34:33 kerio: you have vim installed? Jul 01 07:35:08 guys thanks for your help, but i'm reflashing it Jul 01 07:35:17 alright. fair enough :) Jul 01 07:35:19 and yeah, it's not booting Jul 01 07:35:21 (just a last try) Jul 01 07:35:28 i wonder why though Jul 01 07:35:44 i mean, bash should be compatible with the posix sh Jul 01 07:36:02 yeah, but there are likely ash'isms here Jul 01 07:36:05 cool, in vim :! works Jul 01 07:37:23 hmm, is there any way i can avoid a complete reflash? Jul 01 07:37:42 did you just reboot it? Jul 01 07:37:47 yeah, it's not booting Jul 01 07:37:50 if yes, then probably no Jul 01 07:38:03 if you'd left it up, I was relatively confident about finding a way in Jul 01 07:38:10 especially since you could still install packages Jul 01 07:38:21 meh Jul 01 07:38:30 you could have just made a deb that removed roots password or set your shell :P Jul 01 07:38:33 i've been using it for less than a day Jul 01 07:38:38 johnx: i thought about that Jul 01 07:38:48 johnx: I'm curious if my vim :! would work :) Jul 01 07:38:50 editing the postinstall script to add chsh -s /bin/sh user && chsh -s /bin/sh root Jul 01 07:38:56 asj: vim runs as root? Jul 01 07:39:01 oh right Jul 01 07:39:05 sudo gainroot after that Jul 01 07:39:26 kerio: no, as the user, yeah. It probably runs it through system so it might need a valid shell, but Jul 01 07:39:39 can't you :! anything? Jul 01 07:40:09 ok, flashed it Jul 01 07:40:11 "yay" Jul 01 07:40:33 cheater :P Jul 01 07:40:37 johnx: yeah, but vim uses system(3) then that does /bin/sh -c command Jul 01 07:40:53 ah, so actually that probably would work just fine Jul 01 07:41:01 johnx: yeah :| Jul 01 07:41:04 for some reason I was thinking it would exec() Jul 01 07:41:10 kerio: do it again, I want to see if it would work :) Jul 01 07:41:22 lol Jul 01 07:42:48 this is weird... my desktop looks *kinda* the old one Jul 01 07:43:32 oh right installed applications Jul 01 07:44:35 hello Jul 01 07:44:48 have anyone made progress reverting to the standard PR 1.1.1 virtual keyboard? Jul 01 07:46:44 hey, if anyone finds a way to do that, do tell Jul 01 07:46:55 people in here were working on it Jul 01 07:46:59 but i havent kept up Jul 01 07:47:02 as im in the phillipines Jul 01 07:47:09 however the new one really slows down Jul 01 07:47:11 and I've been off IRC Jul 01 07:47:11 so i'd love to revert Jul 01 07:47:31 probably i talked to you about it before leaving :P Jul 01 07:47:48 nah. I haven't been on IRC since ... maybe april? Jul 01 07:47:55 i left a month ago Jul 01 07:51:46 doesnt look like theres much success Jul 01 07:51:47 damn Jul 01 07:52:01 what's wrong with the physical keyboard? Jul 01 07:52:12 numbers Jul 01 07:52:24 ooh, good point Jul 01 07:52:38 typing ip addresses is somewhat annoying Jul 01 07:52:52 and also annoying to sometimes have it open Jul 01 07:52:54 also, sometimes it's nice to be able to use a decent onscreen keyboard if you're just typing a URL or something Jul 01 07:52:57 the 1.1 onscreen keyboard was great Jul 01 07:52:59 (probably ot - is Documents To Go worth it?) Jul 01 07:53:29 (i mean, the viewer) Jul 01 07:53:29 redeeman, yeah. same one (essentially) as they shipped with maemo 3 on the N800 (or was it from earlier?) Jul 01 07:53:39 i only have n900 Jul 01 07:54:03 is it possible to set up hosts file to redirect addresses depending on which iface is being used? Jul 01 07:54:21 mirf: probably switching the hosts file on-the-fly Jul 01 07:54:39 but you'll probably have some issues with the dns caching of single programs anyway Jul 01 07:55:11 X-Fade, ping Jul 01 07:55:29 http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard/GSoC/2010_Projects/USBSniffer Jul 01 07:55:32 that's nice thing Jul 01 07:55:47 I wondered about that kerio Jul 01 07:56:00 some kind of scipt that checks Jul 01 07:56:30 it's only for one site so dns cache won't really matter Jul 01 07:56:47 hold on, a site? Jul 01 07:56:51 what kind of switch do you want? Jul 01 07:58:22 well when I'm on local network the website is on a local IP so I've pue an entry in hosts to make it work like I'm on the web Jul 01 07:58:49 really I just need a script that comments out the last line when I'm on GPRS Jul 01 07:58:57 why, can't you just use the same address and let it sort it out? Jul 01 07:59:13 can't resolve it from inside the lan Jul 01 07:59:16 why not? Jul 01 08:00:09 should i add extras-devel if i don't know what i'm doing? Jul 01 08:00:20 kerio, no Jul 01 08:00:26 aww :( Jul 01 08:00:35 extras testing if you're careful Jul 01 08:00:44 better benefit/risk ratio :) Jul 01 08:00:46 heh, it reminds me of my old debian box Jul 01 08:00:51 started as a *stable* Jul 01 08:00:58 by the end it was a sid/experimental Jul 01 08:01:05 "i don't know what i'm doing?" :D Jul 01 08:01:57 well according to the internet the web address points at my external IP which I can't connect to from inside the network, fairly standard setup as far as I know Jul 01 08:01:57 isn't there a way to "queue" applications to install with the application manager so i can install multiple applications at once? Jul 01 08:02:15 you can with apt-get Jul 01 08:02:18 mirf: huh? can you reach the internet? Jul 01 08:02:21 kerio, by apt-get install Jul 01 08:02:34 yes I can reach the internet Jul 01 08:02:42 is the website accessible from the internet? Jul 01 08:03:06 yes Jul 01 08:03:06 yes Jul 01 08:03:14 so why can't you reach that website? Jul 01 08:03:24 :/ Jul 01 08:03:26 * kerio is confused Jul 01 08:03:50 the server is on the internalt lan Jul 01 08:03:57 so I can access it by using an internal IP Jul 01 08:05:02 mirf, you need to setup a port forwarding @ your router to forward the trafic from your external IP to your internal one (the server). Jul 01 08:05:20 it already has that Jul 01 08:05:34 'Morning Jul 01 08:05:36 he *can* access the same website from his mobile connection Jul 01 08:05:44 umm.. then what's the problem? Jul 01 08:06:07 i don't know Jul 01 08:06:16 he wants to use the internal ip for some reason, when he can Jul 01 08:06:26 I mean what he want's to do and what he cannot do right now? Jul 01 08:06:33 mirf: Point hostname to localhost and use "socat" to redirect some port? Jul 01 08:06:51 or run a split-view dns server Jul 01 08:07:07 ~seen X-Fade Jul 01 08:07:09 x-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 19h 22m 40s) #meego (1d 19h 22m 40s). Has said a total of 172 messages. Is idling for 11h 33m 40s, last said: 'lbt: Otherwise we can web scrape ;)'. Jul 01 08:08:02 I noticed that the lens cover position on the N900 is sensed by an reflective optical sensor. Does that manually shut down the camera, or can you override the sense in software? Jul 01 08:08:33 heh, i love how po Jul 01 08:08:35 er Jul 01 08:08:41 My friend asked me to check, as he wants to run the camera with the lens cover closed. Jul 01 08:08:49 how most solutions to a given problem involve installing a daemon Jul 01 08:08:54 :) Jul 01 08:08:57 the web name will not resolve from inside the lan, not too hard to understand really Jul 01 08:09:08 mirf: why not? that makes no sense Jul 01 08:09:25 pahartik: what is socat? Jul 01 08:09:29 kerio, I meant on his router or whatever internal server is hosting the service in the first place Jul 01 08:09:38 t makes perfect sense Jul 01 08:09:44 jaem_n900: using mplayer, i can get a boring picture of the inside of the lens cover Jul 01 08:09:45 mirf, ofcourse you cannot access to your server from same LAN using web-address. Router goes grazy at that point. Jul 01 08:09:51 yes I know taht Jul 01 08:09:54 ok :D Jul 01 08:10:00 jaem_n900: why does he want to do that, btw? Jul 01 08:10:03 Then what the hell are we talking about here? :D Jul 01 08:10:07 D-Iivili_Work: why? :O Jul 01 08:10:17 it doesn't need to go crazy ... it could just happily route you back in Jul 01 08:10:18 this is why I want my hosts file to switch dependeing on whethere I'm on my wifi connection or mobile web Jul 01 08:10:23 BCMM, excellent, that's what we want... possibly. Jul 01 08:10:26 i can connect to my ddns address from within my lan Jul 01 08:10:28 kerio, because that's the way it works by default. Jul 01 08:10:38 :D Jul 01 08:10:44 Do you know the command off-hand? I'm not familiar with that. Jul 01 08:10:48 * D-Iivili_Work is not an expert with networking Jul 01 08:11:33 mirf: "multipurpose relay for bidirectional data transfer" Jul 01 08:11:41 wow Jul 01 08:11:42 BCMM, he wants to try using CCD noise as a random seed. Thoughts? Jul 01 08:11:57 pahartik: hardcore :P Jul 01 08:12:02 jaem_n900: doesn't the n900 have a /dev/random? Jul 01 08:12:44 BCMM, yes, he would like a /dev/morerandom ;) Jul 01 08:13:01 nine, nine, nine. Jul 01 08:13:13 /dev/doubleplusrandom Jul 01 08:13:15 I don't know how well it would work in this case, but that's the intent. Jul 01 08:13:40 jaem_n900: /dev/random is guaranteed to be cryptosafe Jul 01 08:13:43 what more do you want Jul 01 08:15:06 jaem_n900: if all you want it a seed, /dev/random should do Jul 01 08:15:23 jaem_n900: if you need large amounts of random data, it can be an issue Jul 01 08:15:39 BCMM, that too. Jul 01 08:15:47 linux should use the camera for random data anyway Jul 01 08:15:50 right? Jul 01 08:15:51 Mostly, we just wanted to see if it was possible. Jul 01 08:15:59 kerio, does it? Jul 01 08:17:02 I certainly don't know. Jul 01 08:17:36 not sure about the standard kernel, but most linux kernels do indeed use peripherals as sources of entropy Jul 01 08:18:13 * jaem_n900 nods Jul 01 08:18:18 from wikipedia "It is also possible to write to /dev/random. This allows any user to mix random data into the pool." Jul 01 08:18:32 Interesting... Jul 01 08:18:37 the camara will not be used as an entropy source when not in use Jul 01 08:18:43 since it will be powered down then Jul 01 08:18:49 well, of course Jul 01 08:18:51 :) Jul 01 08:18:59 Also on my list - a hardware bitbucket! Jul 01 08:19:02 but you could probably use it to help increase the entropy by cating it to devrandom Jul 01 08:19:05 * jaem_n900 is joking Jul 01 08:19:16 I like the idea of holding the shutter button with the lens cover closed to "give your entropy pool a turbo boost" Jul 01 08:19:37 johnx: "bashing on the keyboard like a monkey" is cooler Jul 01 08:19:43 johnx, yes, we should market it that way. Jul 01 08:19:45 for... some values of cool i guess Jul 01 08:19:45 The N900 - now with a Turbo button! Jul 01 08:19:46 if the n900 catches flack for being too geeky, it might as well live up to it Jul 01 08:19:47 mirf: I use it to redirect things between IPv6 and IPv4, for example... Jul 01 08:19:55 It makes your bits more random! Jul 01 08:20:28 johnx, I'll be sure to credit you if we do that ;) Jul 01 08:20:32 pahartik: I think it's a bit more than I need but I'll certainly check it out Jul 01 08:21:03 kerio: is it ssh-keygen that actually asks you to flail your mouse to make it work faster? Jul 01 08:21:04 I lost my Nokia USB cable on the train home last night. :( Jul 01 08:21:13 though I'm not feeling very sane about the set up anymore - I always thought it was normal for routers to do that Jul 01 08:21:14 kerio: something does Jul 01 08:21:28 BCMM: probably Jul 01 08:21:34 opera mini on every phone does Jul 01 08:21:38 Considering I have two more, and they're cheap, it's probably not worth even going to pick it up if they turn it in. Jul 01 08:21:53 BCMM, that rings a bell, but not ssh-keygen, IIRC Jul 01 08:21:58 Let me check Jul 01 08:22:32 Not in the Maemo build, at least. I've seen what you're thinking of, though. Jul 01 08:22:59 heh, you could use the accelerometer to give entropy to /dev/random Jul 01 08:23:00 jaem_n900: you're right, it isn't ssh-keygen Jul 01 08:23:04 truecrypt asks for a bit of mouse-flailing Jul 01 08:23:11 mirf, I've seen it both ways really Jul 01 08:23:13 kerio: that is actually a very fun idea Jul 01 08:23:31 "Shake your phone like a monkey to generate the key faster" Jul 01 08:23:36 jaem_n900: i want to know what it is now, so i can benchmark it while using the cam and accelerometer Jul 01 08:23:56 mirf: Another possibility, redirect port on localhost through SSH, to always use your service from inside LAN... Jul 01 08:24:37 BCMM, ha... I don't remember. Do you know for certain that the stock Fremantle kernel uses the camera? Jul 01 08:24:47 no Jul 01 08:24:52 kerio, ssh-keygen is pretty quick on-device anyway, IIRC Jul 01 08:24:54 i just bought this thing yesterday! Jul 01 08:25:06 hm, how to install my lovely ttf into maemo? Jul 01 08:25:08 jaem_n900: i know almost for certain that it does not use the camera when the camera is not on Jul 01 08:25:22 jaem_n900: i was suggest cat /dev/video0 > /dev/random Jul 01 08:25:40 rmrfchik, well, putting it in ~/.fonts should work Jul 01 08:26:12 BCMM, right... Is /dev/video0 the rear camera, then? Jul 01 08:26:30 Note to self: do not use IRC when walking across the street at 1am... :P Jul 01 08:26:31 jaem_n900: i can't remember, actually Jul 01 08:26:41 BCMM, meh, I can check Jul 01 08:26:42 oh, now i think about it, it was probably gpg Jul 01 08:27:00 I think you're right... Jul 01 08:27:36 jaem_n900: thanks. works fine. Jul 01 08:30:55 ssh-keygen asks you do do disk activity, iirc Jul 01 08:31:12 rmrfchik, out of curiousity, which font? Jul 01 08:31:12 By the way, does anyone know how the Fremantle PDF Reader handles DRM? Okular on my laptop handles it quite nicely - with a checkbox that says "obey restrictions?" :P Jul 01 08:31:31 Can I install the .install files from the cmd line? then apt-update and apt-get what I want out of it? Jul 01 08:31:50 dazo, cat /dev/zero > ~/foo Jul 01 08:32:06 jaem_n900: Monaco from MacOS Jul 01 08:32:15 heh ... more like find / > /dev/null :) Jul 01 08:32:24 wtf? i can't change user's password? Jul 01 08:32:37 Lantizia, to my knowledge, not by default Jul 01 08:32:39 jaem_n900: it installed fine but useless because of invalid i18n Jul 01 08:32:41 * dazo likes the idea of using the accelerometer for entropy collection though Jul 01 08:32:49 jaem_n900, do you know what handles the .install files? Jul 01 08:33:15 It would probably be fairly simple to write a small script that would make that possible. Jul 01 08:33:16 In fact, I'd be surprised if someone hadn't done so, but I haven't actually seen one. Jul 01 08:33:16 If you open it in a text editor, though, it should be readable and straight-forward to do manually. Jul 01 08:33:46 jaem_n900, pretty sure I've seen it already done - just can't remember how Jul 01 08:35:29 ok, i'm linking /usr/bin/vim to /bin/vi Jul 01 08:35:32 would that blow stuff up? Jul 01 08:36:28 Hmm... how to make shell script wait for two seconds before moving on to next line on the script? Jul 01 08:36:34 sleep 2 Jul 01 08:36:39 thx Jul 01 08:37:00 echo "please wait two seconds and then press enter." ; read Jul 01 08:37:28 users always get a free ride. make *them* work for a change Jul 01 08:38:02 lol Jul 01 08:38:13 johnx: you mean sleep 2; read Jul 01 08:38:32 actually, make a program that tells the user "MORON!" if he presses enter before two seconds Jul 01 08:39:00 Hmm... data connection dropped out... odd. Jul 01 08:39:33 kerio, "You pressed it too soon, formatting /home ... Done" Jul 01 08:44:04 is that /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus indicating prescence of 5V on usb port or is it something else? Jul 01 08:44:55 Hello. today after booting up my n900, I noticed the Availability icon and the option to set it are gone. What might cause this? Jul 01 08:45:23 they disappear if you have all accounts disabled Jul 01 08:45:31 you have to go to settings Jul 01 08:46:06 also if you don't have an open connection i think? Jul 01 08:46:12 they're all enabled Jul 01 08:46:33 and what is presence set to? Jul 01 08:48:46 never mind. for some unclear reason all account passwords dissappeared. Thanks for getting me in the right direction! Jul 01 08:52:39 Let's just hope it was a one time thing. Jul 01 08:55:20 hope so. hasn't happened to me except when I reflashed, started setting up accounts, then restored the backup I'd made Jul 01 08:55:31 but that was in the 1.0 timeframe, not 1.2 Jul 01 08:55:52 <_0x47> any suggestions what would be an good name for a already existing package that has to be named differently? original names: libsdl-mixer1.2, libsdl-mixer1.2-dev. best guess: libsdl-mixer1.2.8, libsdl-mixer1.2.8-dev. what do you think? Jul 01 08:57:33 err, why do they have to be named differently? Jul 01 08:57:59 <_0x47> because it's not allowed to overwrite nokia packages Jul 01 08:59:41 easy debian is slow to download :( Jul 01 08:59:45 hmmm, I'm not a nokian, but it might be good to include the thing that's fixed/changed/hacked in your own version of that package Jul 01 09:00:17 so like libsdl-mixer1.2-esd Jul 01 09:00:25 kerio: I told qole that, and offered to mirror it. He told me what his current download stats are, and I withdrew the offer. :P Jul 01 09:00:50 ahaha Jul 01 09:01:01 lol Jul 01 09:01:13 I bet he'd run through my monthly bandwidth allotment in a day Jul 01 09:02:27 huh? Mobile Maps is free for 7 days? Jul 01 09:02:45 oh, not ovi maps Jul 01 09:02:46 i see Jul 01 09:02:56 johnx, well, IIRC our server has a 200GB cap, and we can add more at a fairly cheap rate. However, with the usage he quoted, we'd still have to ask for donations to pay for it. :P Jul 01 09:03:13 It's with Linode. They're pretty cool. Jul 01 09:03:22 yup Jul 01 09:03:45 * jaem_n900_ is debating whether to go to work tomorrow... Jul 01 09:03:48 I run a lot of my work stuff with them, and my own stuff with prgmr.com who is equally cool, but a little different Jul 01 09:04:01 jaem_n900_, why wait? go to work *right now* Jul 01 09:04:21 johnx, well, it's Canada Day tomorrow (technically today)... Jul 01 09:04:44 ah Jul 01 09:04:48 happy canada day Jul 01 09:04:54 The thing is, my uni is paying me out of a fixed grant, so if I take stat pay, I just get less money the next day. ;) Jul 01 09:04:57 hi everybody Jul 01 09:05:03 * D-Iivili_Work is loosing his mind with disappearing python widgets while changing theme Jul 01 09:05:06 going to set off some fireworks? Jul 01 09:05:15 I do have some stuff I want to get done, but I'm just not sure if it's worth it. Jul 01 09:05:33 If I can figure out how to tether my laptop, I may just head to the beach and work there. Heh. Jul 01 09:05:47 sand is the enemy of all electronics Jul 01 09:05:48 johnx, thanks. :) And no, not personally. Jul 01 09:05:53 just don't Jul 01 09:06:04 johnx, I didn't mean "the beach" as in the sandy part. Jul 01 09:06:09 aaaah Jul 01 09:06:10 Just somewhere nearby Jul 01 09:06:47 I have to admit I dream of the day when I can sit with my feet in the water, a beer in my hand and not worry about my electronics dying a horrible death Jul 01 09:06:48 There are plenty of nice spots in Vancouver, and not having to have wifi available makes it a lot easier. Jul 01 09:07:21 Nadley, hello Jul 01 09:07:31 I have a little question : I want to hard reset my N900. I have to flash first the eMMC or the other files Jul 01 09:07:37 *file Jul 01 09:07:57 first the rootfs, then without letting it reboot, reflash the emmc Jul 01 09:08:14 heya, johhnx Jul 01 09:08:15 flasher-3.5 -F $path_to_rootfs -f Jul 01 09:08:19 Nadley, Yes, do exactly what it says on the wiki page, in the bottom section. Jul 01 09:08:21 hey RST38h :D Jul 01 09:08:26 long time no see Jul 01 09:08:29 then flasher-3.5 -F $path_to_emmc -f -R Jul 01 09:08:35 jaem_n900_, heh. "do as I say, not as I do" : http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnxx/2800651680/ Jul 01 09:08:43 but the wiki flash first the emmc Jul 01 09:08:51 Nadley, note the lack of "-R" in the first command. Jul 01 09:08:52 choice http://kuvaton.com/browse/15100/iphone.jpeg Jul 01 09:08:54 RST38h, yeah, been lacking in motivation lately, but my pandora finally arrived and so did meego handset ux Jul 01 09:09:01 so I figure I'll put my hacking hat back on Jul 01 09:09:09 johnx, woo! Jul 01 09:09:11 jaem_n900_: can I have a link ? Jul 01 09:09:20 Nadley, one moment... Jul 01 09:09:28 thanks a lot Jul 01 09:09:51 By the way, has anyone tried running Quassel on Maemo? Jul 01 09:10:10 I remember trying it a year or so ago on the desktop and liking it. Jul 01 09:11:13 Nadley, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 Jul 01 09:11:38 It's a bit verbose, but the commands kerio just gave are correct, and sufficient. Jul 01 09:12:02 as usual run the first, connect while pushing u, wait for the first flash then run the second Jul 01 09:13:09 anyone else find mapero 3.0+beta9 tends to crash? Jul 01 09:14:02 BCMM, no, I don't think I've updated to beta9 yet. Jul 01 09:14:06 jaem_n900_: yes it is verbose but it is my first time so I like to understand what I'm going to do. Jul 01 09:14:22 jaem_n900_: which brings me to another question... Jul 01 09:14:38 i'm a debian n00b - how can i install an older version of a package? Jul 01 09:14:39 Go on... Jul 01 09:14:54 (than the most current one in the repo) Jul 01 09:14:54 BCMM, apt-get install foo=1.3 Jul 01 09:14:59 johnx: neat Jul 01 09:15:10 where foo is the package, and 1.3 is the *exact* version string you want Jul 01 09:15:17 johnx: and what happens with updates? does installing that way mean that it never updates till i ask it to? Jul 01 09:15:22 johnx, does that work with inequality operators too? Jul 01 09:15:22 nope Jul 01 09:15:29 you need to hold it Jul 01 09:15:39 jaem_n900_, huh. I actually have no idea Jul 01 09:15:41 johnx: what does that mean? Jul 01 09:16:01 errr, look up "debian setting a package to hold" or similar Jul 01 09:16:02 BCMM, "put a hold on" the package. Jul 01 09:16:08 I forget how to do it too. :P Jul 01 09:16:18 I think it's a dpkg switch Jul 01 09:16:26 I use aptitude mostly now ... Jul 01 09:16:36 I'm not a hige fan of Debian packaging. Don't even get me started on dpkg-query... :P Jul 01 09:16:40 Nadley, ? Jul 01 09:16:49 jaem_n900_: yes ? Jul 01 09:17:25 Nadley, you said you had another question...? Jul 01 09:17:32 jaem_n900_, is there a reason to use that over apt-cache or apt-file? Jul 01 09:18:04 johnx, dpkg-query? Yes - it does something entirely different. Jul 01 09:18:22 jaem_n900_: yes my battery it is 80% full I can flash or should I have to fully charge it Jul 01 09:18:33 go ahead Jul 01 09:18:36 Nadley, I would flash Jul 01 09:18:46 That's part of the reason I dislike the system - Arch streamlines almost everything into one command with convenient switches. Jul 01 09:19:13 Debian has all manner of different things with little design continuity in the user-facing interfaces. Jul 01 09:19:25 Sure, it's more powerful, but I like KISS Jul 01 09:19:43 dpkg never faces the user Jul 01 09:19:47 at least, not *that* kind of user Jul 01 09:19:57 kerio, it faces me. Jul 01 09:20:04 you're not that kind of user then Jul 01 09:20:05 :) Jul 01 09:20:29 dpkg, apt-get, and dpkg-query are all entirely different to use. Jul 01 09:20:43 and you know the difference between each other Jul 01 09:21:11 kerio: you say I can flash or I miss understand ? Jul 01 09:21:32 Nadley: there's a window of a couple of milliseconds where something *could* go wrong if the power is cut Jul 01 09:21:40 but USB powers the phone anyway Jul 01 09:21:40 jaem_n900_, agreed. I also like programming in scheme. But Debian and PHP are a livable compromise most days :) Jul 01 09:22:40 though actually what really made me insane was trying to start learning how to make debian packages. heh! now *that* is some arcane stuff Jul 01 09:23:04 ok, mappero is working now - anyone know how to make it talk in english? Jul 01 09:23:32 johnx, pacman (In Arch) isn't terribly "inuitive" either, but the design is more usable once you learn it, IMO Jul 01 09:23:44 And yeah, packaging is a pain. Jul 01 09:23:54 jaem_n900_: +1 for pacman Jul 01 09:24:01 BCMM, check the thread about language packs. Jul 01 09:24:01 OE has the best packaging system I've ever seen, bar none Jul 01 09:24:16 for building packages at least Jul 01 09:24:19 johnx, ipkg? Or are they using something new these days? Jul 01 09:24:29 i like portage Jul 01 09:24:31 * BCMM ducks Jul 01 09:24:43 kerio: last question. I have to turn off first the n900 if I well understand Jul 01 09:24:43 BCMM, OE takes that one step further :) Jul 01 09:24:53 Nadley, yes. Jul 01 09:24:53 yeah Jul 01 09:24:55 turn off Jul 01 09:25:01 Power it completely off. Jul 01 09:25:06 jaem_n900_, well, yeah, that's their binary package manager (opkg I think, which is ipkg compatibile) Jul 01 09:25:07 start the first command Jul 01 09:25:17 keep "u" on the n900 pressed and connect the usb cable Jul 01 09:25:20 but their source package format / build system is pretty incredible Jul 01 09:25:22 If it's still plugged in (to computer or charger) it will not turn off fully Jul 01 09:25:41 anyone here use scratchbox for maemo development Jul 01 09:25:43 johnx, I used OE a few years back, with the HnD guys. Jul 01 09:25:46 so this is how it feels to spend 8000 EUR. Jul 01 09:26:01 It was interesting. Of course, I was quite inexperienced, then. Jul 01 09:26:13 ehhhh Jul 01 09:26:14 .text:0000CF34 STMIA R12, {R0-R2} Jul 01 09:26:14 .text:0000CF38 STMIA LR, {R0-R2} Jul 01 09:26:18 kshlm, I have, although I don't much anymore. Jul 01 09:26:29 D-Iivili_Work, did you just check your email on your phone while roaming? Jul 01 09:26:36 jaem_n900_: i've problem Jul 01 09:26:42 jaem_n900_: is that "Mappero voice navigation: submit your voice, in your own language!"? Jul 01 09:26:46 jaem_n900_: could you help? Jul 01 09:26:47 johnx, lol :-D Bought a car and just paid it. Jul 01 09:26:50 hahaha Jul 01 09:26:55 BCMM, yes. Jul 01 09:27:03 kshlm, sure, give me a moment Jul 01 09:27:23 jaem_n900_: i don't get internet inside the scratchbox environment Jul 01 09:27:39 ok so let's go :d Jul 01 09:27:44 eep. 2:30 and I have work tomorrow. time to sleep Jul 01 09:28:41 kshlm, can you ping an IP? Jul 01 09:28:52 Say, 4.2.2.1, off the top of my head. Jul 01 09:29:05 johnx, Ha! Me too, but... well... Jul 01 09:29:06 8.8.8.8 Jul 01 09:29:17 Have a good one Jul 01 09:29:28 thanks Jul 01 09:29:32 'night all Jul 01 09:30:47 Could someone kindly type my nick, I'm trying to get highlighting working... Jul 01 09:30:56 D-Iivili_Work: Jul 01 09:31:01 Noup.. didn't work. Jul 01 09:31:14 use privmsg for it Jul 01 09:31:45 jaem_n900_: Do I have to unplug the phone between the two flash ? Jul 01 09:31:56 Nadley, no, don't Jul 01 09:32:00 jaem_n900_: nope, get an "icmp open socket: operation not permitted" Jul 01 09:32:19 I run directly the second commande ? Jul 01 09:32:27 kshlm, what environment are you running the SDK in? Jul 01 09:32:31 Nadley, yes. Jul 01 09:32:37 jaem_n900_: X86 Jul 01 09:32:53 kshlm, native install on a physical machine? Jul 01 09:32:57 <_0x47> johnx: the only fix is the version being 1.2.8 instead of 1.2.6 :) so I guess I covered your suggestion. Thanks! Jul 01 09:33:39 jaem_n900_: didnt get you? Jul 01 09:34:01 jaem_n900_: scratchbox is installed on arch linux x64 bit Jul 01 09:34:06 kshlm, are you running it in a virtual machine, a chroot, or what? Jul 01 09:34:09 Oh, okay. Jul 01 09:34:36 My flash it is finish it is very quick. Now I can start the device after the two flash ? Jul 01 09:34:42 I never got it working on Arch properly... did you follow a guide of some sort? (If so, link please?) Jul 01 09:34:50 Nadley, it should boot automatically. Jul 01 09:35:00 jaem_n900_: just the maemo wiki Jul 01 09:35:00 If you tacked on the -R switch to the second command. Jul 01 09:35:24 kshlm... huh, okay. Did you have to install anything to make it work? Jul 01 09:35:31 jaem_n900_: yes it reboot but now there is nothing on the screen :s Jul 01 09:35:51 Nadley... wait a bit. Jul 01 09:36:07 jaem_n900_: nothing, just used force to install on x64 thats it Jul 01 09:36:37 jaem_n900_: did the samething on my desktop running ubuntu, it works there well enough Jul 01 09:36:56 huh, okay. Hmm... Well, sbox does have some oddness on 64-bit, I think, but I don't think that's the issue. Jul 01 09:37:02 jaem_n900_: ok but the screen is fully black. However on the term I had two successfull message Jul 01 09:37:03 It rings a bell, though. Jul 01 09:37:13 X-Fade, ping Jul 01 09:37:14 now the phone looks charging Jul 01 09:37:22 Nadley, you did use the -R switch on the second command, right? Jul 01 09:37:27 yes Jul 01 09:37:28 D-Iivili_Work: pong Jul 01 09:37:37 jaem_n900_: my desktop box is also 64bit Jul 01 09:37:50 Hmm, well, if it was successful, then try booting it. Jul 01 09:38:00 ok Jul 01 09:38:01 X-Fade, I've been wondering why aint my changes in package are shown here: http://maemo.org/packages/view/black-plastic-theme/ Jul 01 09:38:27 X-Fade, I've checked and doublde checked that both control and changelog -files should_be_correct Jul 01 09:38:34 +ly formatted Jul 01 09:38:50 D-Iivili_Work: Can be a bug in the changelog importer. Jul 01 09:39:09 jaem_n900_: I have the 5 white pont on the screen it is charging Jul 01 09:39:13 X-Fade, it must be something wrong with my packages since I've never seen the Changes -block with any of my packages. Jul 01 09:39:22 *point Jul 01 09:39:29 Nadley, looks good, then Jul 01 09:39:40 X-Fade, but I cannot figure out what it could be. Not that it's too important but it's annoying :D Jul 01 09:39:43 D-Iivili_Work: Compared it with a working package? Jul 01 09:39:50 X-Fade, yes Jul 01 09:40:06 X-Fade, ie here's a working sample: http://maemo.org/packages/view/gnome-nettool/ Jul 01 09:40:08 jaem_n900_: it works I have the first seetings screen Jul 01 09:40:41 Nadley, woot! Jul 01 09:41:00 jaem_n900_: woot ? what does it mean ? Jul 01 09:41:14 Nadley: means “woot!” Jul 01 09:41:26 Nadley, essentially, "yay". Check Wikipedia if you want the full history. Jul 01 09:41:27 ok :) Jul 01 09:41:34 thx Jul 01 09:41:45 D-Iivili_Work: That one is compiled for multiple archs, so that is different. Jul 01 09:42:11 can somebody help me understand how to get english announcements in mappero? Jul 01 09:42:14 it is quite easy to flash the n900 if we check everything and did it carefully Jul 01 09:42:18 my system is set to en_GB Jul 01 09:42:46 i noticed that mappero comes with an en_US directory - i've symlinked that to en_GB, but it still talks in interlingua Jul 01 09:42:48 D-Iivili_Work: also that is a source package with orig.tar.gz, which is also different. Jul 01 09:42:58 Nadley, yep. I find it much easier than using the fancy pointy-clicky app on Windows. Jul 01 09:43:06 ^^ Jul 01 09:43:07 ;) Jul 01 09:43:14 X-Fade, ok.. and this: http://maemo.org/packages/view/fastsms/ Jul 01 09:43:26 The command line is often like that - much easier and more efficient *if* you know what you're doing Jul 01 09:43:44 BCMM, I'm not sure. I can take a look if it's quick. Jul 01 09:43:52 I think I will try android or meego on my n900 in the future but in dual booting Jul 01 09:43:53 I really should go to bed at some point, though. Jul 01 09:44:09 D-Iivili_Work: Also an app, built for multiple archs. Jul 01 09:44:17 BCMM, can you link me to that thread? Jul 01 09:44:34 jaem_n900_: i just copied teh en_us over the interlingua files - i'm sure it's not the right solution, but it works Jul 01 09:44:36 X-Fade, damn :D Jul 01 09:44:45 jaem_n900_: also, the guy sounds much more like irish than en_US Jul 01 09:44:50 (which is preferable, for me) Jul 01 09:44:56 X-Fade, okay, this: http://maemo.org/packages/view/hildon-theme-marina/ Jul 01 09:45:24 BCMM, in terms of general vocal sound, or actual pronunciation? Jul 01 09:45:35 X-Fade, suddenly seems like that one also has lost changes being updated to the "box" since version 1.202 Jul 01 09:45:45 jaem_n900_: i'm not sure what you mean Jul 01 09:45:54 jaem_n900_: just sounds like an irish person Jul 01 09:45:54 jaem_n900_: is there some tricks to improve my battery life time ? Jul 01 09:46:13 D-Iivili_Work: Yes, doesn't seem to work there either. Jul 01 09:46:21 BCMM, yes, but is it "Irish English", or "English with an Irish accent"? Jul 01 09:46:27 X-Fade, but has been working before. Jul 01 09:46:36 jaem_n900_: there isn't really enough there to distinguish Jul 01 09:46:43 Nadley, yes, but come back when you've searched the forum/wiki. :P Jul 01 09:46:50 D-Iivili_Work: Yes, wazd messed up changelog there at some point. Jul 01 09:47:17 jaem_n900_: just the rythm of the speech and the way the "r"s sound Jul 01 09:47:17 jaem_n900_: ok no prob I'll check that thank you very much for the help Jul 01 09:47:25 what? where? :) Jul 01 09:47:32 I'm innocent! Jul 01 09:47:40 Heya, wazd! Jul 01 09:47:45 anybody brave enough to open that on microb Jul 01 09:47:50 jaem_n900_: hey :) Jul 01 09:47:53 http://www.opera.com/portal/geo/ Jul 01 09:48:13 opera/chrome take it without problems on PC Jul 01 09:48:16 firefox just dies Jul 01 09:48:24 wazd, out of curiosity, did anything ever come of that XChat mockup you did last year? Jul 01 09:49:11 johnx: Ah the handset UI is here already? Jul 01 09:49:12 X-Fade, seems more like he has changed the structure of control -file? Jul 01 09:49:15 * RST38h runs to tmo Jul 01 09:49:23 jaem_n900_: RST38h is too busy/lazy to dig into UI that deep :) Jul 01 09:49:32 X-Fade, well... anyways, just wanted to ask if there was some easy explanation. Jul 01 09:49:34 RST38h: o/ Jul 01 09:49:43 * jaem_n900_ pokes RST38h Jul 01 09:50:15 I just got a data plan for the first time, and it is indeed nice to use IRC on the go, among other things. Jul 01 09:50:42 jaem_n900_, I couldn't image to live without data plan :O Jul 01 09:50:47 wazd: reMoo Jul 01 09:51:05 jaem: What? Jul 01 09:51:06 ...I'm just sad that I missed being able to be one of the oh-so-smug "I'm using IRC on the way home from work" people, last November. :P Jul 01 09:51:20 anybody living in switzerland and having a recommendation for a dataplan? Jul 01 09:51:29 That said, I got to be smug with my N900 for most of a week before it came out, so... Jul 01 09:51:57 RST38h, that was a "-poke- get on it!", regarding wazd's comment. :) Jul 01 09:52:22 RST38h: let's remake xchat in Qt :D Jul 01 09:52:39 wazd, did you see my mention of Quassel? Jul 01 09:52:40 <`0660> jaem_n900_, irc on the way home has been a reality for almost a decade now :) Jul 01 09:52:49 wazd: Good luck remaking their main view widget in qt... Jul 01 09:52:50 A mobile version of that might be interesting... Jul 01 09:52:58 jaem_n900_: no, I guess not Jul 01 09:53:03 On the other hand, I have fixed that long delay bug in FBReader after PR1.2 Jul 01 09:53:09 `0660 well, yes, but not for Maemo Jul 01 09:53:15 They did a blocking gtk event loop where they should not have Jul 01 09:53:21 RST38h: or we can add Qt frontend to IRSSI :) Jul 01 09:53:32 <`0660> quite many years with maemo too Jul 01 09:53:49 <`0660> when tethering via phone Jul 01 09:54:02 wazd, it's Qt-based, and has a separate core/daemon so that you can dis/connect various clients from a server. Jul 01 09:54:19 `0660, well, yes, fair enough. My point still stands, though. Jul 01 09:54:38 wazd, As I recall from an older version, it was rather nice. Jul 01 09:56:49 jaem_n900_: maybe I can take a look :) Jul 01 09:57:04 jaem_n900_: but now I'm totally overloaded with work :) Jul 01 09:57:40 wazd, Aren't we all. If you do, let me know, please. I had thought about taking a look as well, but I'm in the same boat. Jul 01 09:58:05 if I wanted to start Hildonizing an existing GTK -app (written in C?) without any knowledge of anything, where should I start? Good tutorials etc somewhere? Jul 01 09:58:13 jaem_n900_: oh, if you're interested in actually doing it - maybe I'll find some time :) Jul 01 09:58:53 wazd, well... I might be, but I'm busy coding for the N900 for work right now. Jul 01 09:59:10 jaem_n900_: well, I'm not in a hurry either :) Jul 01 09:59:18 I'll take a look at it, though - I haven't used it in about a year - and get back to you. Jul 01 09:59:30 I potentially would be interested. Jul 01 09:59:59 Another thing I'd be interested in doing would be writing a Qt-based frontend for GIAC, a Maple-compatible CAS. Jul 01 10:00:13 I was talking to a guy here the other day about that. Jul 01 10:02:12 wazd, if I ever take *that* on, I could certainly use design advice! Jul 01 10:07:08 would have been nice if Nokia had build in a SDHC-slot instead of a MicroSDHC.. :) Jul 01 10:07:34 That complaint is sooo N810 Jul 01 10:07:36 ;) Jul 01 10:07:59 maybe.. :) Jul 01 10:08:17 haj: why? Jul 01 10:08:29 haj: oh, i see what you mean Jul 01 10:08:31 BCMM, well, SD is cheaper. Jul 01 10:08:35 That alone would have added 4 mm to the thinkness of the device:) Jul 01 10:08:43 BCMM: because the cards are cheaper... Jul 01 10:09:02 4 GB < 10 euro, do you really need it cheaper than that? :) Jul 01 10:09:26 also, accepting regular SD would make it a meaningful sort of removable media for transferring data, but microsd is really only for adding storage Jul 01 10:09:28 Use a nas + upnp/dlna and be completely wireless. Jul 01 10:09:37 how much of a price difference is there? Jul 01 10:09:45 X-Fade: Well, when I get a MicroSDHC for my N900 it will not be 4GB... Jul 01 10:09:53 X-Fade, yeah... I still do occasionally have a brief moment of awe when I realize that I'm holding an encyclopedia (Wikipedia Dump) with ~3M articles in an object the size of my fingernail Jul 01 10:10:05 haj: Did you really fill up your 32GB and still need more? Jul 01 10:10:18 jaem_n900_: I just have 3G for that. Jul 01 10:10:23 haj, I got an 8GB card for around $25CAD on sale. Jul 01 10:10:30 X-Fade, well, I do too, now. Jul 01 10:10:42 BCMM: In Denmark, it's like 55 for a 32GB SDHC and 85 for a MicroSDHC Jul 01 10:10:43 jaem_n900_: a Maple-compatible CAS is a frightening concept... Jul 01 10:10:50 i got a 16gb card Jul 01 10:10:54 with bad sectors Jul 01 10:10:56 :/ Jul 01 10:11:00 I didn't even have voice on my phone until recently, because I was locked into a contract with another carrier. Jul 01 10:11:04 BCMM, why? Jul 01 10:11:10 X-Fade: it's not actually full.. but it's getting there.. And I'd like to keep at least some gigs free for transport of data.. and stuff :) Jul 01 10:11:30 haj: Large pr0n collection huh? Jul 01 10:11:37 I have little experience with any CAS - my only thought was that using something compatible with what my uni uses would mean less of a learning curve. Jul 01 10:11:39 X-Fade: more like music... Jul 01 10:11:54 X-Fade: oh, and I like to have a big buffer of podcasts in gpodder.. ;) Jul 01 10:12:21 haj: Well I have gpodder too, but at 60MB per hour of podcast, man you must have a lot of time to listen :) Jul 01 10:12:35 haj: buy some micro sd's :) Jul 01 10:13:06 X-Fade: sure.. I'm a cyclist.. and it's 40 minutes each to/from work.. :) Jul 01 10:13:38 alterego: I guess I could just get a 16gig.. Jul 01 10:13:53 haj: Still, that is nothing 0.004% of storage used per day ;) Jul 01 10:15:04 Just saying that I always think I need a lot of storage, but if you realistically look at what your really use... Jul 01 10:15:38 X-Fade: Jul 01 10:15:39 anyone else noticed that mappero seems to be able to nearly hang up hte system without using significant CPU? Jul 01 10:15:44 i like having lots of storage :) Jul 01 10:16:00 So, today I was thinking of writing a Telepthy XBox messaging plugin. Jul 01 10:16:26 haj: buy a 3TB disk and connect with usb :) Jul 01 10:16:40 Heh Jul 01 10:16:42 haj: Only $250 :D Jul 01 10:16:55 X-Fade: actually kind of want to see an n900 with a backpack full of stuff Jul 01 10:17:00 I need to get another ext HDD Jul 01 10:17:07 X-Fade: nah.. thats annoying.. :) Jul 01 10:17:19 I could do with replacing my entire fileserver tbh :( Jul 01 10:17:27 X-Fade: you know, a monitor, USB hub, full-sized USB hard drive, mouse and keyboard Jul 01 10:17:33 BCMM: Samba server in your backpack sharing over wifi ;) Jul 01 10:17:35 I'll have to calculate the "sweet spot" I bet it's 750 to 1TB by now. Jul 01 10:17:40 an entire full tower with an array of 5 750gb drives, replaced by a single disk these days :< Jul 01 10:17:52 X-Fade: well, 3tb drives typically do not draw power from USB :( Jul 01 10:18:17 BCMM: Just put a 12V 5000mah lipo in your backpack then ;) Jul 01 10:18:23 oh well.. silly topic anyway... :) Jul 01 10:18:24 heh Jul 01 10:18:51 X-Fade: that would be an awesome mobile computer Jul 01 10:18:54 Only adds about 800 gram, should be ok ;) Jul 01 10:19:09 X-Fade: you could power the n900 and the monitor off the big battery too :) Jul 01 10:19:13 One of my friends got a mugen battery yesterday Jul 01 10:19:30 He seems pretty happy with it .. Jul 01 10:19:34 alterego: Any good? Jul 01 10:19:39 Battery I mean. Jul 01 10:20:05 X-Fade: I guess it's just quite easy to fill up the internal 32GB if having 2GB of Sygic map-data installed, and 16GB of music, and a couple of videos, and gpodder with some nice feeds (including a couple of video-podcasts) and some of the larger games... ;) Jul 01 10:20:05 Said something about there not being a camera slide on the back. Which is a shame ... Jul 01 10:20:27 alterego, sorry? Jul 01 10:20:44 the lens cover on the mugen back has no slider Jul 01 10:20:52 :( Jul 01 10:20:53 its just an open cover Jul 01 10:20:55 yeah Jul 01 10:21:11 X-Fade: It's easy on a iPhone because you are not allowed to store stuff on it.... but since the N900 works as mass storage device... ;) Jul 01 10:21:14 I was thinking of getting one as a spare battery, but that sort of put me off. Jul 01 10:21:40 tbh, getting an external battery pack seems way way preferable to a mugen Jul 01 10:21:50 haj: Amazon s3 ;) Jul 01 10:21:57 cheaper, much more powerful, and you dont have to carry it round with you when you know you arent going to need it Jul 01 10:22:30 X-Fade: not always an option. Jul 01 10:22:31 When I travel, I just have a few spare batteries. Jul 01 10:22:47 Light weight, easy to carry. Jul 01 10:23:31 * jaem_n900_ yawns Jul 01 10:23:48 03:23 here, which is IRC-time for bedtime. Jul 01 10:23:50 nidO: I agree, I was thinking of converting an old laptop battery to an external portable charger for those long journeys :) Jul 01 10:23:52 Night, all Jul 01 10:24:03 jaem_n900_: Nn Jul 01 10:25:57 X-Fade: btw we are a go with the list - I don't see any critical apps, but am saddened that it seems we have a fair amount of abandonware :( Jul 01 10:26:14 achipa: I have wiped everything already. Jul 01 10:26:38 errm Jul 01 10:26:47 are you sure ? :) Jul 01 10:27:01 yes. Jul 01 10:27:12 duh, it's the interface msg funk Jul 01 10:28:00 X-Fade: ? I'm being noseybut your statement sounds interesting? :) Jul 01 10:28:32 alterego: We removed all packages related to qt4-maemo5-* and apps depending on it. Jul 01 10:28:49 X-Fade: thought stuff got reimported... see http://maemo.org/packages/view/maesheep/ Jul 01 10:28:58 but fair enough, I don't see it in the repo Jul 01 10:29:16 Ah, not that interesting then ... :D for the experimental renaming of the devel qt packages? Jul 01 10:29:20 argh, i suddenly started getting constant "internal error. application e-mail closed" messages on my n900. reboot does not help. any ideas? Jul 01 10:29:25 alterego: yes Jul 01 10:29:48 achipa: Hmm yeah, race condition between deletion, index regeneration and importer. Jul 01 10:31:45 * achipa goes off to post a council announcement about the package removal and braces for impact Jul 01 10:33:16 No-one has yet written an application that will hildonize gtk application on the fly? :D Jul 01 10:33:25 * D-Iivili_Work is getting frustrated with this thing... Jul 01 10:33:50 D-Iivili_Work: ? what thing ? Jul 01 10:34:07 alterego, I just started on looking how to hildonize zenity. Jul 01 10:34:14 Have nothing else to do :P Jul 01 10:34:18 D-Iivili_Work: ah, right. Jul 01 10:34:31 I didn't think you were a coder? Jul 01 10:34:45 alterego, well.. only PHP Jul 01 10:34:51 It'd probably be easier to just write your own Python stuff :P Jul 01 10:35:11 zenity would be awesome hildonised, Jul 01 10:35:26 more hildonized that is ... :) Jul 01 10:35:40 alterego, there's not that_many_files included and not that_much_code in it, but don't really know where to start :D Jul 01 10:35:51 Heh Jul 01 10:36:07 Pick an ugly one you depend on, and try to find that widget :) Jul 01 10:36:07 i want to download the virtual desktop image but i can't find it anywhere, was it removed? Jul 01 10:36:18 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php <- i's not here Jul 01 10:38:42 alterego, well that's what I'm doing :P Jul 01 10:41:56 X-Fade: you edited something on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads* wrt eMMC / rootfs sequence? Jul 01 10:42:37 DocScrutinizer: no Jul 01 10:43:02 I wonder *where* the § is to be found... Jul 01 10:44:39 somebody please point me to the § in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads* where it says ""NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. [...]"" Jul 01 10:45:57 X-Fade, qknight is the second person to ask about that missing vmware image - i couldnt find anything recent about it either, do you know anything? Jul 01 10:46:05 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads <- this page does not exist for me Jul 01 10:46:32 try http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Jul 01 10:46:51 DocScrutinizer: so you mean http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php, right? Jul 01 10:47:11 lcuk: i wonder why i'm only the second persion. i've tried to find it about 4days ago Jul 01 10:47:21 should i use filesharing to download it? Jul 01 10:47:37 I mean the page where it is written """NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image!"" Jul 01 10:47:47 qknight: ^^^ Jul 01 10:47:47 qknight, not everyone who wants it shouts loudly in here Jul 01 10:48:06 i don't shout ;-) Jul 01 10:48:14 DocScrutinizer: That not on this page, that is on the n900 firmware page. Jul 01 10:48:26 DocScrutinizer: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Jul 01 10:49:36 X-Fade: I gather I need to authenticate prior to watching this secret stuff? :-D Jul 01 10:50:05 DocScrutinizer: Well, that is where you can download all the goodies. Jul 01 10:50:13 * qknight is very confused about that desktop virtual image stuff Jul 01 10:50:24 so do you guys use it native, without any virtual image? Jul 01 10:50:35 X-Fade: I know, but I wasn't aware the readme or whatver also needs an authentication Jul 01 10:51:06 DocScrutinizer: Well, it doesn't make sense without anyway. Jul 01 10:51:17 :-P Jul 01 10:51:49 this whole thing starts to become a PITA Jul 01 10:52:13 (eMMC/rootfs flash sequence) Jul 01 10:52:13 *shrug* Jul 01 10:52:15 X-Fade: one teensy q... when you say removed, do you mean totally and completely or just the binary packages (as in, we *should* keep the source, just in case) Jul 01 10:52:31 achipa: Source will never be removed. Jul 01 10:52:39 X-Fade: good, good Jul 01 10:52:40 X-Fade: wasn't exactly targeted at you Jul 01 10:52:58 DocScrutinizer: Noobs use windows flasher, which does things for you. Jul 01 10:53:12 With a nice gui. Jul 01 10:53:12 mhm Jul 01 10:56:04 * Duckboot wants a phone which is completely console based. NO ui, except curses. Jul 01 10:56:17 meego 1.0 is for you then Jul 01 10:56:40 what was the open source phone, kinda was like that Jul 01 10:57:14 openmoko? Jul 01 10:57:17 mavhc: OpenMoko? Jul 01 10:57:19 Hehe Jul 01 10:57:38 OpenMoko wasn't console-based Jul 01 10:57:51 what are "Stock Files"? Jul 01 10:58:03 eh? Jul 01 10:58:59 my openmoko has a nice gui Jul 01 10:59:14 DocScrutinizer: "Files which has a variable value"? Jul 01 10:59:15 ( OpenMoko wasn't console-based) what's the meaning of that? Jul 01 10:59:29 read up about 4 more lines Jul 01 10:59:49 aah, Jul 01 10:59:52 DocScrutinizer: I was just airing a dream of mine - The fully working console-based cellphone. Jul 01 11:00:28 emacs based OM is it then, for you Jul 01 11:00:33 reset Jul 01 11:00:36 im sure you could just remove hildon-desktop from an n900 and write an upstart script to open xterm Jul 01 11:00:53 then have all the fun you like with dbus commands by hand Jul 01 11:01:10 nidO: ack Jul 01 11:01:14 :- Jul 01 11:01:14 ~# call 555-3564-333 Jul 01 11:01:15 D Jul 01 11:01:21 Wee Jul 01 11:01:40 but I guess you're actually talking about gnuphone Jul 01 11:02:02 DocScrutinizer: Yes Jul 01 11:04:25 executing qstardict on my n900 i get this error message: "The plugin '/opt/maemo/usr/lib/qstardict/plugins/libstardict.so' uses incompatible Qt library. Expected build key "armv6 linux host-g++ full-config", got "arm linux g++-4 full-config" Jul 01 11:06:19 http://jonathancarter.co.za/2008/09/23/totally-getting-a-gnuphone/ Jul 01 11:06:54 dial voice +1-555-1212 –ntwk verizon –prot cdma2000 –ssh-version 2 -a -l -q -9 -b -k -K 14 -x Jul 01 11:07:30 http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/01/nokia-n9-n8-01-prototype-sized-up-against-iphone-4-and-evo/ Jul 01 11:07:30 and away you go! Simple and obvious!” Jul 01 11:07:41 oh my god, the most annoying voice ever Jul 01 11:20:10 DocScrutinizer: you might know Jul 01 11:20:13 10:44 < jacekowski> is that /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus indicating prescence of 5V on usb port or is it something else? Jul 01 11:21:04 jacekowski: afaik (and seen) it indicates VBUS presence Jul 01 11:21:11 pretty sure there was a console interface for openmoku Jul 01 11:21:30 DocScrutinizer: does it indicate only external vbus? Jul 01 11:21:52 jacekowski: nope, it simply reads out the twl4030 GPIO Jul 01 11:21:58 aiui Jul 01 11:22:20 so forcing charger chip to output 5V might confuse bme Jul 01 11:22:29 yes, it actually does Jul 01 11:23:20 do you know anything about /suspend in same folder? Jul 01 11:23:23 that's why VBUS boost mode is reset after <500ms, if you don't stop bme prior to starting jrbme boostmode Jul 01 11:24:09 wazd: i keep thinking, if the screen were higher res, that'd make a nice meego device Jul 01 11:24:17 jacekowski: not really, but aiui this suspend node is virtually everywhere (err, in every subsystem's sysfs folder) Jul 01 11:24:31 pupnik_: I guess n9 won't be too far from it Jul 01 11:25:28 pupnik_: since nokia now have n8'ish design concept everywhere :) Jul 01 11:25:49 mavhc: paulfertser (or originally mat shu?) actually worked on a emacs interface for GTA02 Jul 01 11:26:49 jacekowski: (suspend) so I *guess* it might deal with power mode of the particular subsystem when device goes to suspend mode Jul 01 11:27:02 raster: moin :-D Jul 01 11:27:20 DocScrutinizer: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH! Jul 01 11:27:31 raster: uh? Jul 01 11:28:09 i need to yell at something Jul 01 11:28:16 i also need tactical nukes Jul 01 11:28:23 i need to nuke people Jul 01 11:28:40 raster: infobot comes handy for that :-D Jul 01 11:28:53 ~nuke some people Jul 01 11:28:55 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at some people ... B☢☢M! Jul 01 11:29:08 yay! Jul 01 11:29:28 ~lart raster Jul 01 11:29:28 * infobot keeps mailing raster free America Online CDs until he drowns Jul 01 11:29:49 oh, something new :D Jul 01 11:30:01 wazd: I guess you're too late :-P Jul 01 11:30:07 ~burn himself Jul 01 11:30:09 * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Jul 01 11:30:12 :) Jul 01 11:30:19 ~help Jul 01 11:30:19 probably that's what raster recently oticed Jul 01 11:31:03 do free AOL CDs still exist? Jul 01 11:31:04 ~wtf is wtf Jul 01 11:31:06 usage: wtf . Jul 01 11:31:09 ~tell wazd about query Jul 01 11:31:14 huh Jul 01 11:31:18 ~tell kerio about query Jul 01 11:31:24 ~wft wft Jul 01 11:31:29 ~query Jul 01 11:31:30 talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query apt" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) Jul 01 11:31:45 ~wtf wtf Jul 01 11:31:47 WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck Jul 01 11:31:56 ~fuck Jul 01 11:31:57 * infobot looks at jacekowski and wonders if he can't find some better way to occupy his time Jul 01 11:31:57 wtf should allow for the bsdgames' wtf syntax Jul 01 11:32:16 he doesn't have teh same syntax as /usr/bin/wtf Jul 01 11:32:21 oh, kerio just said that Jul 01 11:32:22 he should Jul 01 11:32:34 wtf [is] $acronym Jul 01 11:32:47 and he's a she Jul 01 11:32:53 oh, sorry Jul 01 11:32:58 i seem to recall a website documenting somebody who built a throne entirely out of AOL trial CDs and glue Jul 01 11:33:27 BCMM: http://stupidco.com/aol_throne_intro.html Jul 01 11:33:43 or rather, documenting the chair Jul 01 11:33:58 raster: what went wrong? Jul 01 11:34:44 incompetent fools who cant even compare 2 numbers to know which is bigger Jul 01 11:34:51 and the numbers have only 2 digits Jul 01 11:34:54 IDIOTS Jul 01 11:35:16 i'm amazed they they havent died from forgetting to breathe Jul 01 11:35:22 there's no state of idiocy severe enough to excuse this Jul 01 11:35:29 incompetence can kill Jul 01 11:35:35 when it's bad enough Jul 01 11:35:49 i'm just wondering what has prevented it so far Jul 01 11:35:49 hmm Jul 01 11:35:52 to be fair, when i think about > and < i think about nethack Jul 01 11:35:56 that's called darvinism Jul 01 11:35:56 i hate microsd =( Jul 01 11:36:13 how is it possible when it's fat32 it;'s okay Jul 01 11:36:24 but when i use it as ext3 i get errors Jul 01 11:36:32 i can't even mount it Jul 01 11:37:01 ZogG: might have bad blocks Jul 01 11:37:12 i think so Jul 01 11:37:35 or it's a completely faked one - there've been uSD that claim to be 8GB, but actually mirror after 1GB Jul 01 11:37:51 i have 8gib Jul 01 11:37:59 but it's shown as 8 gibs Jul 01 11:38:06 i bought it on ebay Jul 01 11:38:08 you THINK you have 8GiB Jul 01 11:38:15 DocScrutinizer: haha that's brilliant Jul 01 11:38:24 DocScrutinizer, are you srs? Jul 01 11:38:38 well, microsds *are* computers Jul 01 11:38:44 you only *know* after writing AND checkreading >5GiB Jul 01 11:38:46 ZogG: Yes, there are lots of reported cases. Most cheap ones on ebay are fake. Jul 01 11:38:57 damn Jul 01 11:39:02 ZogG: yes, absolutely Jul 01 11:39:05 DocScrutinizer: I thought infobot finally decided to date me :( Jul 01 11:39:13 i retated that guy with 5 stars =) Jul 01 11:39:42 ZogG: Well, write large files to it and check if they are ok. Jul 01 11:39:42 ZogG: first confirm the case Jul 01 11:39:59 larger than 5 gibs or 1 gib? Jul 01 11:40:03 ZogG: see my and X-Fade 's suggestion Jul 01 11:40:15 i would try it later Jul 01 11:40:16 larger than reported-size/2 Jul 01 11:40:36 ok - i'll try Jul 01 11:41:09 X-Fade DocScrutinizer maybe you should write to maemo news about it btw Jul 01 11:41:14 wouldn't you also be able to write two different things at offset 0 and at offset 4gb and keep them different? Jul 01 11:41:17 with dd Jul 01 11:41:27 and make sure your file isn't just filled with 0x00, otherwise you won't even notice the mirroring :-P Jul 01 11:41:43 kerio: nope Jul 01 11:41:52 DocScrutinizer, wait - do i need to copy one file? Jul 01 11:42:06 as fat32 doesn't support 4gibs+ Jul 01 11:42:13 kerio: you have that controller on uSD that maps block address to phys mem Jul 01 11:42:30 ZogG: No, just fill it with files and run md5sum on them. Jul 01 11:42:47 ZogG: no, any data will do, as long as it's large enough all together Jul 01 11:42:47 local and on sd card. Jul 01 11:42:55 and compare with diff ;) Jul 01 11:43:05 ok Jul 01 11:43:06 thanx Jul 01 11:43:09 i'll try Jul 01 11:43:29 how do i disable e-mail polling? i'm suddenly getting constant "internal error. application e-mail closed" messages on my n900 and reboot does not help... Jul 01 11:43:42 or for that behalf: just copy a >4GB folder structure from your PC to uSD, then compare Jul 01 11:44:25 jpnurmi: ugh Jul 01 11:44:44 jpnurmi: first do a 'df -h' Jul 01 11:47:52 DocScrutinizer: what i should be looking for? none of the partitions is full Jul 01 11:48:30 ZogG: http://reviews.ebay.com/How-to-check-storage-capacity-of-fake-USB-flash-drive_W0QQugidZ10000000003407025 Jul 01 11:54:37 DocScrutinizer fu, i'm batman... i mean, la fufufu je suis la fantomas.. . i mean F#%^k you, i'm on linux =) Jul 01 11:54:47 but htnx anyway Jul 01 11:54:57 ZogG: ?? Jul 01 11:55:44 I should really unsubscribe fro extras-builds :D Jul 01 11:59:31 ZogG: (batman) wazzup? Jul 01 12:00:10 IS that the sound he makes when he upper cuts someone ? Jul 01 12:00:18 ZogG: because of /whois? (Petach Tikva) Jul 01 12:00:49 DocScrutinizer, i'm from TLV Jul 01 12:01:06 alterego which one? Jul 01 12:01:16 ZogG: anyway, what's that DocScrutinizer fu, i'm batman... i mean, la fufufu je suis la fantomas.. . i mean F#%^k you, i'm on linux =) Jul 01 12:01:35 ZogG: < DocScrutinizer> ZogG: (batman) wazzup? Jul 01 12:01:47 i mean the instructions probably for some windows programs Jul 01 12:01:57 aah Jul 01 12:02:02 alterego, "wazzup" ? Jul 01 12:02:17 ZogG: the info as such is generic though Jul 01 12:02:17 DocScrutinizer, i found some programs to check also - but they are for windows Jul 01 12:02:21 Yes .. I Was wondering about the (batman) before and thought , well, that :) Jul 01 12:02:41 alterego, wazzup is short for what is up? o.O Jul 01 12:02:51 ZogG: yes, I know ... Jul 01 12:02:54 Nevermind ... Jul 01 12:03:03 i think you should grow up on the streets like me to know that =) Jul 01 12:03:20 alterego, you confused me, but i like you =))))) Jul 01 12:03:29 You didn't grow up on the streets, you went to the same preppy school as GAN900 Jul 01 12:03:41 :) Jul 01 12:03:55 GANster900? Jul 01 12:04:00 * DocScrutinizer wonders how many seconds it'd need him to write a shell oneliner to grab random words out of a dict and post them to this chan Jul 01 12:04:11 alterego, he was bulling me there btw Jul 01 12:04:18 Heh Jul 01 12:04:27 Sounds believable, he is a bit of a bully :P Jul 01 12:11:49 DocScrutinizer i copied on sd on n900 - it worked i think 1.75+3 gibs are enuf for check - it worked =\ Jul 01 12:12:27 ZogG: It works means what exactly? Jul 01 12:12:40 it copied the files with no errors Jul 01 12:13:14 copying works without any errors - the fun thing is the mirroring which destroys older data Jul 01 12:13:35 hmm... where can i find telnet? Jul 01 12:13:43 that's the reason you need to *compare* Jul 01 12:14:09 kerio: in the museum of obsolete art? Jul 01 12:14:17 :-P Jul 01 12:14:21 funny Jul 01 12:14:32 DocScrutinizer ok - i'll give a try letter as mu card reader don't read that card - so i can use it only on n900 or laptop(with built in reader) Jul 01 12:14:42 kerio: honestly I think it *might* be in tools repo Jul 01 12:14:51 DocScrutinizer, i think it's enuf just to copy 2 movies in HD and try to play them both Jul 01 12:15:04 ZogG: sure Jul 01 12:15:06 if it's okay they would play Jul 01 12:15:19 if not they would skip Jul 01 12:15:25 ZogG: md5sum them. Jul 01 12:15:26 kerio: or just use socat Jul 01 12:15:27 am i right? Jul 01 12:15:49 X-Fade, don't you think they wouldn't be playable if something wrong? Jul 01 12:15:55 ZogG: If you have the time to watch 4 hours of HD, then yes ;) Jul 01 12:16:02 ZogG: yes, right. X-Fade 's suggestion is faster though Jul 01 12:16:04 ZogG: MPEG allows for data corruption. Jul 01 12:16:04 DocScrutinizer: telnet is a little more complicated than netcat Jul 01 12:16:18 ZogG: It will just skip corrupted parts. Jul 01 12:16:22 X-Fade, i can skipforward as mplayer quits if the file has "holes" in the middle Jul 01 12:16:48 ZogG: You want safety, I don't ;) Jul 01 12:16:55 X-Fade, first of all only pussies watch HD in mpeg, second of all mplayer doesn't skip =0) Jul 01 12:17:32 at least there is one thing that is good in this not skipping thing that was annoying =)) Jul 01 12:17:41 ZogG: What other non-mpeg codec do you have your HD content in then? Jul 01 12:17:43 X-Fade, but thanks anyway againg =))) Jul 01 12:17:58 X-Fade, only mkv+x264 Jul 01 12:18:11 ZogG: And that is not owned by MPEG LA? Jul 01 12:18:22 i have 2 or 3 images as well as i tried to encode them =) Jul 01 12:18:27 ZogG: just tar (without gzip) a large enough folder iincl subfolders to the card, then compare (again tar) Jul 01 12:18:48 X-Fade, does mpeg la own x264 and mkv? Jul 01 12:19:03 x264 yes, mkv is just the container? Jul 01 12:19:09 i know Jul 01 12:19:17 that mkv is container Jul 01 12:19:33 x264 is a dangerous format ;) Jul 01 12:19:38 why so? Jul 01 12:19:43 Can be licensed in about 2 years. Jul 01 12:19:44 becasue of the lisence? Jul 01 12:19:54 X-Fade, we'll leave and see Jul 01 12:20:02 mpeg la decided to give it away for free and review the case in 2012. Jul 01 12:20:05 anyway all the movies i have are pirate =) Jul 01 12:20:17 Guess what happens then :) Jul 01 12:20:19 X-Fade, they wanted to do it in 2010 as well =) Jul 01 12:20:40 X-Fade, nothing for me - untill mosad comes to my house i guess Jul 01 12:21:34 the idea is that they hope if they don't push licenses too hard, people will adopt it, and it will have such dominance in two years that whatever terms they set, will eventually have to be met Jul 01 12:22:10 achipa, the world is geting more and more evil Jul 01 12:22:11 h264 is the format, x264 is an open-source encoder for it Jul 01 12:23:16 Trewas: same thing. control the format and you control the producer/consumers of it Jul 01 12:23:31 it's not like we did not see the same story with mp3 Jul 01 12:24:39 achipa mp3 format license is over - isn't it? Jul 01 12:26:04 achipa: control the format and people will use it without caring about your patent Jul 01 12:27:11 ZogG: not really, many aspects are still patented AFAIK - it's just that they realize there is no money to be made on FOSS people, so they let them be Jul 01 12:27:22 commercial (legal) users cannot easily "not care" about the patents or licensing Jul 01 12:27:50 make the world opensource!!! Jul 01 12:27:53 lcuk: ping Jul 01 12:27:54 kerio: that is exactly the point. Nobody wants to harrass people. They want to harrass companies that make stuff for people. Jul 01 12:28:06 DocScrutinizer, \o Jul 01 12:28:13 lcuk o/ Jul 01 12:28:22 hiya ZogG Jul 01 12:28:30 sup Jul 01 12:28:40 achipa: yeah, they'll totally sue Open Source Development inc. for the money they're making selling the encoder Jul 01 12:28:50 oh wait, it's not a real company and nobody is making money with x264 Jul 01 12:28:55 lcuk: am I right we agreed upon flashing eMMC first, then rootfs is probably safer than doing other way round? Jul 01 12:29:10 yes if you are doing both Jul 01 12:29:16 when ps3 would support divx7 that supports x264, damnit Jul 01 12:29:16 kerio: are you sure nobody makes money with x264? :) Jul 01 12:29:28 lcuk: ok Jul 01 12:29:36 if they are, they probably shouldn't Jul 01 12:29:49 kerio: they are, it's economy 101 Jul 01 12:30:00 kerio it's all about money man, the world is corrupted Jul 01 12:30:38 kerio: if you kill the free encoders, only paying ones survive, and they do bring income. So for them cease & desisting free encoders makes a whole lotta sense Jul 01 12:30:55 seriously, just take a look at the history of mp3 encoders under linux Jul 01 12:31:14 i would like a mp3 reconstructor Jul 01 12:31:27 it took, what, 10-15 years to make mp3 encoding semi-legal ? Jul 01 12:31:30 identify adjacent music pieces by fuzzy match of the fft spectra of end-frames Jul 01 12:32:09 achipa pupnik_ duck the mp3 - flac FTW Jul 01 12:32:31 "n900-camera-firmware" there's firmware for the friggin' camera?! :D Jul 01 12:32:50 achipa: afaik x264 is even used by some companies making bluray disks, it just means that the company itself has to take care of licensing instead of whoever made the encoder Jul 01 12:32:51 alterego what? Jul 01 12:33:06 Trewas, that is point in license Jul 01 12:33:18 ZogG: just watching the packages scroll past whilst generating this meego image and saw that package. Jul 01 12:33:24 not for user but for the companies =) Jul 01 12:33:33 It also has openssh installed, I wonder if USB networking will work .. Jul 01 12:33:53 alterego, oh,i would liek you show some more detailed instructions Jul 01 12:33:58 * alterego thinks for a second .. No bme, erm, will host mode work under MeeGo? Jul 01 12:34:10 btw mp3 vs ogg/flac is the prime example - it doesn't matter how free or good ogg/flac are, the ubiquitous format (exactly because of initial weak enforcement) is mp3 Jul 01 12:34:34 DocScrutinizer: MeeGo + N900 + Hostmode, what do you think? :P Jul 01 12:36:34 alterego: yes, there is Jul 01 12:36:52 alterego: for example, the BlessN900 app in fact changes that firmware Jul 01 12:36:55 Venemo: yes there is usb networking support on the MeeGo build? Jul 01 12:37:05 Oh, camera firmware :P Jul 01 12:37:31 On qt libs now, shouldn't be too long Jul 01 12:37:34 alterego: I spoke about the camera firmware Jul 01 12:37:47 Yer Jul 01 12:40:25 hi everybody Jul 01 12:41:30 I think I have trouble with my wifi connection. In fact I'm connecting but when I want to install a theme from extra ( approx 6Mb) it take 30minutes or more :s Jul 01 12:43:32 * pahartik would like to know what is recommended way to play specified alert sounds on "Nokia N900" shell Jul 01 12:45:28 beep ? :) Jul 01 12:48:52 nobody to help me Jul 01 12:49:50 alterego: hostmode on meego wil suffer from borked musb_hdrc.c and relatives same way maemo does. BME is considered solved for now Jul 01 12:50:42 alterego: simply do a 'stop bme' before you start hostmode, and 'start bme' after you've quit hostmode Jul 01 12:50:49 DocScrutinizer: okay, well, is there any fix for musb_hdrc.c which will be sumbitted upstream to kernel.org? Jul 01 12:51:23 Is it broken? Or does it just not do what we _need_ it to do? Jul 01 12:51:33 alterego: that 'fix' is exactly what hostmode is all about - and no there's none yet that does anything really useful Jul 01 12:52:04 Okay, Jul 01 12:52:30 alterego: the whole musb driver zoo isn't written for hostmode on N900, not to talk about testing/debugging Jul 01 12:52:46 sx0n: I tried "gst-launch filesrc location=/home/user/MyDocs/.sounds/Good\ morning\ mummot.aac ! decodebin ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! pulsesink" but it gives silence Jul 01 12:53:20 pahartik: why not just use playbin? Jul 01 12:53:44 alterego: we have a limited flawed OTG implementation on musb driver. Alas OTG isn't handling hostmode at all, on the N900 Jul 01 12:54:14 generic plain vanilla hostmode that is Jul 01 12:54:27 DocScrutinizer: this reminds me, can I ask what is the current state of generic (non-OTG) host mode? Jul 01 12:54:41 WIP Jul 01 12:55:20 Heh Jul 01 12:55:43 though I'm not really the kernel devel dude to fix that friggin musb driver, and the kernel hackers seem on holiday lately Jul 01 12:55:47 * alterego can see the "Speculations about N900 USB host mode ..." Jul 01 12:56:12 huh? Jul 01 12:56:24 even another new tmo thread?? :-o Jul 01 12:56:35 a thread along the lines of "speculation on pr1.2", right? Jul 01 12:56:39 No, but I'm sure there will be. Jul 01 12:56:43 You know how people hate waiting. Jul 01 12:56:56 i'm trying to install easy debian, but the deb img install doesn't work Jul 01 12:56:57 * alterego considers starting it himself Jul 01 12:56:58 and we do need a new way to get people kicked for fun Jul 01 12:56:59 x terminal just crashes Jul 01 12:57:01 there is a thread already Jul 01 12:57:02 teeheehee Jul 01 12:57:18 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52227&page=18 Jul 01 12:57:28 Yeah, tmo is not a good forum for open development discussions :) Jul 01 12:58:08 i'm amazed at how many projects seem to be semi-successfully organised on a single unthreaded phpbb thread Jul 01 12:58:29 yes Jul 01 12:58:35 alterego: "ERROR: from element /GstPlayBin:playbin0/GstFileSrc:source: Internal data flow error." Jul 01 12:58:54 it works as long as there's not TOO much attention from end users Jul 01 12:59:10 then again, a quick look at sourceforge would suggest that most small projects, given a bug report system and so on, basically don't use it Jul 01 12:59:27 sure Jul 01 12:59:36 Heh, yes, what other community has as much of a rabid dog aspect to it than us Jul 01 13:00:04 alterego: Oh, it succeeds with "/usr/share/sounds/ui-wake_up_tune.wav" for example Jul 01 13:00:22 pahartik: ah, so it's a problem with aac maybe Jul 01 13:00:53 On the subject of gstreamer, does anyone know why the "alpha" element doesn't work? Jul 01 13:01:10 I wonder if this will be fixed in MeeGo .. Jul 01 13:01:22 Hopefully if the camera works I can test it in a few minutes :) Jul 01 13:01:28 alterego: Yes, even though that stream works fine on default media player... Jul 01 13:04:04 pahartik: filenames with whitespace are EVIL(tm), and you never should \escape the whitespace, rather enclose the whole path/filename in 'ticks' Jul 01 13:04:26 filenames with newlines are evil :o) Jul 01 13:04:49 yeah, those are really evil Jul 01 13:05:00 and in old unix days you could embed control sequences in filenames .. was rather funny with a clear-screen escape sequence Jul 01 13:05:00 cehteh: i spent a while banging my head against one of those Jul 01 13:05:05 ls *bang* Jul 01 13:05:17 cehteh: apparently certain X11 file managers make it easy to create one Jul 01 13:05:24 cehteh: yeah! or have colored filenames Jul 01 13:05:34 and until you think of it, you wonder what the hell the terminal is doing Jul 01 13:05:42 or embedded BELL Jul 01 13:05:55 DocScrutinizer: and forget to reset the color or the highlight :) Jul 01 13:06:01 or bold Jul 01 13:06:11 SI/SO Jul 01 13:06:23 but still my favorite was xxxxxxESCc Jul 01 13:06:40 there's a FSCKNG LOT of funny things you can do with odd filenames Jul 01 13:06:46 mornin' all Jul 01 13:07:14 backticks are nice :-P Jul 01 13:07:33 well gnu tools handle them half-way sane .. at least much more sane than old original unix tools Jul 01 13:08:12 mkdir \* ... rm -rf * :) Jul 01 13:08:16 another day another chunk of the gulf destroyed.. yay.. thank god for the combustion engine what would we ever do without.. Jul 01 13:08:22 cheat the noobs Jul 01 13:08:27 DocScrutinizer: Acknowledged Jul 01 13:08:28 ~/.myData/MyRoge`rm -rf \*`File.bad Jul 01 13:09:06 oops, poor infobot Jul 01 13:09:14 creating a file called -rf is potentially amusing Jul 01 13:09:24 lol Jul 01 13:09:40 Hahs Jul 01 13:09:53 -rf bp... Jul 01 13:11:36 touch $'-rw-rw-r-- 1 ct ct 211 Nov 23 2009 test\n' Jul 01 13:12:05 should still be worth a lol Jul 01 13:12:26 depending on the tool (shell) you're using Jul 01 13:12:47 there is nothing this company can do to make up for what it's done.. they're entire company needs to be shut down and this should honestly be treated as an act of war against the us and all other countries effected.. stupid people and their cars 90% of all business could be done over the internet we destroy this planet for our vanity.. Jul 01 13:13:58 ech0Asus: ack Jul 01 13:14:55 ech0Asus: I fI were Obama I already had seized their complete activa Jul 01 13:16:28 obama is getting paid off this shit.. theres no way he aint.. he should of taken control and stopped this shit already he's not doing shit.. worthless as a president.. the last one would of done better and he was a freakin' murderer.. Jul 01 13:16:30 thrown a few hundered managers and chief engineers in prison, until proper trial Jul 01 13:17:47 This is sort of Ironic coming from the most oil dependant country on the planet. Jul 01 13:17:50 i want bill clinton back Jul 01 13:17:52 wtf this is crap Jul 01 13:18:09 stupid laws why can't the one man with big enough balls to get his dick sucked take the lead.. Jul 01 13:18:31 everyone else been pussies in my opinion since then.. Jul 01 13:18:38 what can i say? stylin :) http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/n98.jpg?w=468&h=254&h=254 Jul 01 13:18:47 just a proof of the concept we're no longer governed by politicians but by economy zones managed by global players - like in blade runner, or a dozen other movies Jul 01 13:19:06 Yes, Jul 01 13:19:20 yeah shits run by people with cash and we just get to watch the show they put on... Jul 01 13:21:00 oh pupnik that is gorgeous Jul 01 13:21:53 meh, 4-row kbd Jul 01 13:24:07 is there another media player similar to xbmc for linux? Jul 01 13:24:26 xbmc has a few bugs, random crashes when loading my media libraries Jul 01 13:24:41 mythtv/boxee Jul 01 13:24:47 cool i'll google those Jul 01 13:24:48 thx Jul 01 13:24:49 boxee is xmbc based tho Jul 01 13:25:03 I think there's a few more out there, but they're in varying levels of support Jul 01 13:25:08 a lot depends on what you want to do, too Jul 01 13:26:06 movie management and music Jul 01 13:26:19 Heh, just got a "You've exceeded 500M" I've downloaded about 2G this month and they realise this now? Jul 01 13:26:23 XBMC FTW Jul 01 13:27:04 XBMC crashes when i go into certain directories and i'm not sure why.. i think maybe it's just too much in it.. Jul 01 13:27:04 pupnik: what's the writing lower leftmost corner of screen on that device? Jul 01 13:27:33 goin to try this boxee looks like it'll be perfect Jul 01 13:28:00 mythtv is more meant for recording tv, and that's what i use it for as well as othermedia management Jul 01 13:28:27 pupnik: left of "Options" Jul 01 13:28:47 no idea DocScrutinizer Jul 01 13:29:19 pupnik: "Nĸ¼" ? Jul 01 13:29:29 so that's a knockoff device? Jul 01 13:29:44 "MOO"? Jul 01 13:29:44 yeah i have no input card Jul 01 13:30:05 so i just need media management mostly Jul 01 13:30:19 i'm excited bout this boxee looks cool thx for the tip Jul 01 13:31:48 i wonder if there is a myth tv or boxee remote for the n900... so u could watch your tv shows or whatever from your n900 via wifi when out and about.. Jul 01 13:32:46 i remember something like that for the n810 for mythtv.. Jul 01 13:33:14 there's BlueMaemo which can make the n900 pretend to be a keyboard/mouse/remote control Jul 01 13:33:30 I didn't have much luck with it (connection drops etc.); dunno if the fault is on the n900 side or my laptop side Jul 01 13:34:01 mgedmin: same here, never got it to work .. Jul 01 13:39:31 does anyone use the microemulator in here? Jul 01 13:42:55 hm, are there other alternatives in getting skype back runing besides making a new account? tried moving the shared.xml but it doesn't kinda spawn a new one which works properly Jul 01 13:44:29 Anyone using Nitdroid who could clear one thing out? NitDroid is updated fairly often how easy is it to update it? Reflash? Jul 01 13:50:38 Tuukka: from what i've read now in a short while it needs reflashing at least the first time you do it... i assume that after that it should work "normal" with updating... Jul 01 13:51:54 mikki-kun what exactly means "normal"? ota updates :O that be sweet Jul 01 13:52:19 i think they could work as the internal mmc will get partitioned into three smaller partitions Jul 01 13:52:34 one vfat, and another one ext3 Jul 01 13:52:45 and the ext3 seems to be the android root fs Jul 01 13:53:27 just the guide is kinda like "make three partitons" but in the next step only sda1 and sda3 will get attention Jul 01 13:53:33 sda2 is totally lost Jul 01 13:53:43 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25736 Jul 01 13:53:57 So you just replace the old files with new ones in your memory card/internal memory. Thanks! Jul 01 13:54:08 i am not sure though Jul 01 13:54:21 i've never tried android on any nit so far Jul 01 13:54:47 why would yo want to? Jul 01 13:55:06 mirf: to also see the other side of the market ;) Jul 01 13:55:15 I guess Jul 01 13:55:18 allo allo Jul 01 13:55:27 when you get in an argument with what's the best you gotta know how it behaves Jul 01 13:55:31 hahaha Jul 01 13:55:45 someone beter port iphone os over then ;) Jul 01 13:56:01 Tuukka: http://guug.org/nit/nitdroid/ <-- this site also has some info, just it seems outdated Jul 01 13:56:09 mirf: ok, that's an exception Jul 01 13:56:14 :P Jul 01 13:56:16 you just know it sucks for us ^^ Jul 01 13:56:25 it's like a magazine Jul 01 13:56:37 I'm loving maemo so far Jul 01 13:56:39 once finished you can't do anything with it anymore besides reading it again Jul 01 13:56:48 mikki-kun thanks, but those are for N700- N800 :/ Jul 01 13:57:23 Tuukka: hm, sadly the newer site is down ;/ but i think it hasn't changed that much Jul 01 13:57:50 mirf: i kinda feel overpowered with my n900... Jul 01 13:58:09 sure, it needs skill to master it and exploit it to it's limits Jul 01 13:58:24 yes true Jul 01 13:58:27 but once you get there the n900 is at least a year ahead of the competition Jul 01 13:58:34 I'd like to lowere the resolution on mine Jul 01 13:58:37 *lower Jul 01 13:58:46 so it strains the eyes less Jul 01 13:58:47 Tuukka: nitdroid.com is sadly down, would have otherwise looked there ;/ Jul 01 13:59:37 I'll try to cope with the old info Jul 01 13:59:58 mirf: hm, i am not so sure it would be that smart... some apps are maybe hardcoded to certain resolutions... Jul 01 14:00:10 Tuukka: maybe you can fetch from some youtube-links info Jul 01 14:00:28 i mean "youtube-vids" Jul 01 14:00:35 yeah already found a youtube tutorial Jul 01 14:00:40 mikki-kun: damn Jul 01 14:00:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7YPDufJc88 Jul 01 14:01:16 hi Jul 01 14:01:38 mirf: but it could maybe work, by tweaking xorg's resolution though... Jul 01 14:02:00 hmm Jul 01 14:02:22 as long as I have ssh access shouldn't be too dangerous Jul 01 14:02:26 Tuukka: hm, that's cool :) i like youtube for the people making tutorials there :) Jul 01 14:02:48 mirf: reflashing should also work then ^^ Jul 01 14:03:13 mikki-kun, Now all I need is a memory card :D ... Jul 01 14:03:29 Tuukka: memory card for froyo? Jul 01 14:03:42 i heard froyo doesn't recognize the sd-cardslot :/ Jul 01 14:04:29 YEEEEHA!!! I *love* that dog! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqv4Vviod0c&feature=player_embedded Jul 01 14:04:32 hehe yeah I haven't backed up yet so that would be poop Jul 01 14:04:34 but if it can boot from it then it's cool :D Jul 01 14:04:57 I've had it a week so I don't want to go that far yet :P Jul 01 14:05:19 mirf: some people flashed it the first day XD Jul 01 14:05:32 hmmm... well i read some where that installing NitDroid might bust the internal memory so it is safer to use a memcard. Just to be safe :D Maybe i'll need to use a older android version Jul 01 14:05:32 haha nice Jul 01 14:05:38 Tuukka: i'd recommend for booting a fast micro-SD Jul 01 14:05:48 so one of the class 6's... Jul 01 14:06:17 i thought about buying an 8gig class 6 for it Jul 01 14:06:58 Yeah, i'll be soon ordering 2 16gb ones, 32gb is too expensive :P Jul 01 14:07:14 DocScrutinizer: muhaha, the dog shows how annoying the vuvuzuela is :D Jul 01 14:08:43 Tuukka: they are writing around 2MB/sec... that's then like 7450secs or roughly 2:09 hours until that's full... Jul 01 14:09:06 that's a huge pita imho Jul 01 14:09:12 Lol... awfully slow :D Jul 01 14:09:42 class 6? Jul 01 14:10:38 If I install usbcontrol and get one of these... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/230493262010 Jul 01 14:10:48 Basically a Female USB to Male MicroUSB Jul 01 14:11:00 I'm all set for using mice, keyboards, usb pens etc right? Jul 01 14:11:29 anyone know what are the performance odf dbus on maemo please ? if it's a standard dbus or pacthed one ? what kind of optimisations is done on it Jul 01 14:11:37 Tuukka: class 6 means it writes around 6MB/sec Jul 01 14:12:01 at some point i read it's the slowest, at another, more recent one it was stated it's the max speed... Jul 01 14:12:09 Lantizia: yoh man, only will need hostmode working then Jul 01 14:12:11 Propably getting two of those then Jul 01 14:12:28 DocScrutinizer, I thought thats what the usbcontrol package did? Jul 01 14:12:33 i made my 16Gig class 2 for permanent storage like my music which isn't changing every day Jul 01 14:12:39 Lantizia: or are you talking bout N810? Jul 01 14:12:45 N900 :) Jul 01 14:12:55 that is awesome Lantizia Jul 01 14:13:01 This has made me think about it again... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39173 Jul 01 14:13:22 But it's not clear at the end of that thread if people have changed their minds and do think it's possible Jul 01 14:14:36 hostmode.... oh, forgot we have this as well... does it work now? Jul 01 14:14:47 What's the difference between micro SD and micro SDHC? Jul 01 14:14:58 HC = high capacity Jul 01 14:14:58 Tuukka: just storage-wise Jul 01 14:15:25 Lantizia: seen sarahn's post at the end? Jul 01 14:15:38 k, so they both fit Jul 01 14:16:30 USBcontrol is N810heritage and doesn't work on N900, as N900 has a kernel that doesn't support hostmode, and not long ago common sense was it's not possible at all on N900 Jul 01 14:17:14 DocScrutinizer: so usb-hostmode is still under development for the n900? Jul 01 14:17:36 yes, basically. Though development is rather slow lately Jul 01 14:18:09 I asked X Fade to take the usbcontrol package down Jul 01 14:18:14 which iirc he did Jul 01 14:18:18 would love to support it, but as i can't code i would me more of a burden then ;/ Jul 01 14:18:38 MohammadAG: would be a sane thing to take it down Jul 01 14:18:45 Hi, I made a panoramatic wallpaper, got the .desktop file, but what should i do with it now? Jul 01 14:19:12 How long can I expect to wait while the phone is unresponsive during the install of easy debian? Jul 01 14:19:26 10 minutes or 20 Jul 01 14:19:29 I suppose Jul 01 14:19:33 whats easy debian? Jul 01 14:19:44 extracting a heavily compressed image takes time on a 600MHz CPU Jul 01 14:20:07 MohammadAG: A little longer, mine installation took a bit more than a half a hour? Jul 01 14:20:16 not sure Jul 01 14:20:23 300 MB to about 1.2GB, do the maths :P Jul 01 14:20:29 DocScrutinizer, he reuploaded it x.x Jul 01 14:20:37 WHO? Jul 01 14:20:37 X-Fade, mind taking it down again? Jul 01 14:20:48 MohammadAG: mine took about an hour ;/ ^^ Jul 01 14:20:52 Sure, let's see. Jul 01 14:20:52 Urho Konttori <-- it seems Jul 01 14:20:58 LOL Jul 01 14:20:58 300 MB to 1.2 GB -> Be patient :) Jul 01 14:21:33 Ok, guess I'm about half way then... not much reaction at all, unlocking takes probably 4-5 minutes now :) Jul 01 14:21:37 he'd better upload some kernel patches Jul 01 14:22:01 $&5ð€²4@@!!#**@ Jul 01 14:22:02 DocScrutinizer, I think he selects fremantle, and diablo when he uploads it Jul 01 14:22:06 for some reason Jul 01 14:22:23 Hi, I made a panoramatic wallpaper, got the .desktop file, but what should i do with it now? When i click "add" at the wallpaper menu, the .desktop file doesn't show Jul 01 14:23:04 LuciusMare: is the .desktop file in /home/user/MyDocs/.images? ? Jul 01 14:23:41 Tuukka: SD <= 2GB, SDHC <= 32GB Jul 01 14:23:42 OK, idle N900 with clean PR1.2, no services installed (except sshd), sitting idle on WLAN for >4 days now - bat ~50% Jul 01 14:23:48 Anyone knows where can i get maemo's dbus source code please ? Jul 01 14:23:51 No GSM Jul 01 14:23:51 b-man: no, the wiki page just said "In the same directory as your pictures" Jul 01 14:23:54 I'll try Jul 01 14:24:57 DocScrutinizer: I had it 6 hours on 0% with wifi on and logged in to various accounts... Jul 01 14:25:35 b-man: thank you, it works now :) Jul 01 14:25:48 DocScrutinizer: your wlan seems to support pretty good power management Jul 01 14:26:32 it supports PSM=max, yes Jul 01 14:26:34 LuciusMare: np :) Jul 01 14:27:04 though I see lags of ~30..60s sometimes Jul 01 14:27:17 DbusKilledMe: an appropriate nick wouldn't hurt, either Jul 01 14:27:28 so maybe it doesn't really support it that well Jul 01 14:28:10 hm, i heard something about backtrack linux for the n900... will that be then in form of an image which get's chrooted like the one from easy-debian? Jul 01 14:28:35 DocScrutinizer: hm, you're pinging it every 2 mins? Jul 01 14:28:49 mikki-kun: no, why should I? Jul 01 14:29:05 hm, jus thought as you mentioned the lags Jul 01 14:29:24 I'm doing plain nothing on it, except it checks for sw-updates once a day Jul 01 14:29:44 the lags are from ssh sessions Jul 01 14:30:01 which I haven't active for the last 4 days Jul 01 14:30:11 crashanddie: its killing me for real ! and its not fun Jul 01 14:30:19 DbusKilledMe: http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_sdk_free_source/dbus/1.2.12-0maemo6+0m5/ Jul 01 14:30:27 DbusKilledMe: doesn't matter Jul 01 14:30:30 also from IRC ocasionally (though on 1.1.1 there) Jul 01 14:30:57 you have two n900s? :o Jul 01 14:30:58 crashanddie: i dont care about your comments also ! good day ! Jul 01 14:31:00 mikki-kun: backtrack mobile for N900? Should be out soon, no word on the image format Jul 01 14:31:05 chem|st: thank you Jul 01 14:31:26 crashanddie: hopefully it'll work as good as the normal backtrack then... Jul 01 14:32:18 mikki-kun: well, they're promising full packet injection support Jul 01 14:32:28 mikki-kun: which really is what most people are hoping for Jul 01 14:33:56 crashanddie: more of the kiddies who think hacking is cool when done randomly Jul 01 14:34:01 crashanddie: with WL1251? or will they use some weird hardware hack? Jul 01 14:34:24 WL1251 iirc Jul 01 14:34:27 yup, with wl1251 Jul 01 14:34:39 using backtrack and doing package injection is one thing, understanding what is done a whole other story Jul 01 14:34:43 crashanddie, how soon is soon? Jul 01 14:34:46 o.O :-D Jul 01 14:34:56 before BH and DC Jul 01 14:35:06 so in the next few days, less than two weeks Jul 01 14:35:19 :) Jul 01 14:35:19 what means "BH and DC"? Jul 01 14:35:26 AC/DC Jul 01 14:35:29 AC/DC wannabe Jul 01 14:35:30 XD Jul 01 14:35:54 ok, i am now totally confused *running wildly through the channel with my arms in the air screaming* Jul 01 14:35:58 good day all Jul 01 14:36:03 lol Jul 01 14:36:04 mikki-kun: blackhat and defcon security conferences Jul 01 14:36:13 lol Jul 01 14:36:18 *calms down* Jul 01 14:36:22 thanks ^^ Jul 01 14:36:38 *returns to normal state after playing the song of healing* Jul 01 14:37:03 hmm BH :-)) Jul 01 14:37:24 mikki-kun: this song of healing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 Jul 01 14:37:28 ohhh, blackhats... aren't those the bad guys in hacking? :o Jul 01 14:37:45 I'd not be surprised to find it rolled out *at* BH Jul 01 14:37:57 alterego: you failed due to my slow internet :D Jul 01 14:38:01 ab: ping Jul 01 14:38:02 Heh Jul 01 14:38:39 mikki-kun: hardly http://www.blackhat.com/ Jul 01 14:39:19 crashanddie: http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Ablackhat&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t <--- third definition Jul 01 14:39:35 basically he's right on meaning of 'blackhat' Jul 01 14:40:07 yes, but we're not talking about "bad guys" when talking about the Black Hat Security Conference Jul 01 14:40:20 just people who happen to break the law in order to expose security issues Jul 01 14:40:29 rofl Jul 01 14:40:54 right, these are the good bad guys Jul 01 14:40:58 someone recently did something like that to AT``&T Jul 01 14:40:59 crashanddie: those are then whitehats ;) Jul 01 14:41:05 *AT&T Jul 01 14:41:12 mikki-kun: no, they're not Jul 01 14:41:19 b-man: you mean that ipad issue? Jul 01 14:41:21 compare http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=define:whitehat&btnG=Search Jul 01 14:41:23 http://gizmodo.com/5577316/steve-jobs-to-angry-iphone-4-user-relax-its-just-a-phone *hides* Jul 01 14:42:02 mikki-kun: white hats are usually employed by security companies, and have permission. There is a contract around their work. Jul 01 14:42:33 mikki-kun>: it may be; he was mostly exposing security holes throughout their cell service Jul 01 14:42:40 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=define:greyhat&btnG=Search Jul 01 14:43:23 mikki-kun: but instead of fixing the holes, at&t just had the guy arrested and moved on :P Jul 01 14:45:03 hmm when I take a picture with the n900 I cannot see it in the gallery? Jul 01 14:45:15 sejo: maybe you are recording a movie Jul 01 14:45:26 crashanddie: thanks for correcting me, i had "script kiddies" in mind when thinking about gray hats ^^' Jul 01 14:45:39 sejo: do you have something looking like a camera on the right side Jul 01 14:45:41 sejo: tracker process running? Jul 01 14:45:52 jacekowski: no the files are written in a DCIM folder Jul 01 14:45:54 sejo: secon icon from the top Jul 01 14:45:58 tracker? Jul 01 14:46:15 geotagging is done Jul 01 14:46:56 eh Jul 01 14:47:01 DCIM includes movies too iirc Jul 01 14:47:14 yeah but movies aren't .jpeg? Jul 01 14:47:16 jpg Jul 01 14:47:47 first, is your n900 intentionally broken in some interesting way? Jul 01 14:47:56 second, is your n900 attached to a usb cable? Jul 01 14:48:02 timeless: it's a new phone Jul 01 14:48:09 MohammadAG: funny thing is, the more Steve Jobs tralks about the issue, the more the fanbois are getting angry, then you look at us, Nokia don't say much, and we're all kind of "Meh" .. Jul 01 14:48:12 just got it last week (replaced my developer phone) Jul 01 14:48:16 third, what version of the firmware are you using? Jul 01 14:48:21 trackerd is running Jul 01 14:48:26 there are ~5 versions floating around Jul 01 14:48:34 * timeless isn't interested in supporting <1.2 Jul 01 14:48:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Ubuntu Jul 01 14:48:42 10.2010.19-1 Jul 01 14:49:09 but in short, the image viewer lists things which tracker has found Jul 01 14:49:23 alterego, meh Jul 01 14:49:33 so if tracker hasn't found the file, then it's reasonable that image viewer wouldn't show it Jul 01 14:49:43 you should be able to open the file w/ file manager Jul 01 14:50:15 trying Jul 01 14:50:31 yes I can open it Jul 01 14:50:42 perhaps I need to reboot it first? Jul 01 14:50:55 you could try patience Jul 01 14:51:10 or reset tracker Jul 01 14:53:21 who the f is 86.141.252.250 Jul 01 14:53:38 not me at least... Jul 01 14:54:01 Anyone using Hifi quality headphones on the N900? Is 3.5mm audio out jack good enough? Jul 01 14:54:10 they posted f ewffrea on my wiki talk page Jul 01 14:54:21 MohammadAG: it's some scottish guy, no worries Jul 01 14:54:50 sejo: "tracker-processes -r && /usr/lib/tracker/trackerd &" <--- could help Jul 01 14:55:24 will reset the tracker and start it again Jul 01 14:55:32 umm Jul 01 14:55:39 just start the media player to restart tracker Jul 01 14:55:45 you don't have to keep terminal open Jul 01 14:56:13 MohammadAG: hm, another way, just that one is a c&p way ;) Jul 01 14:57:26 Hah: quote: fahadj2003: "good = not free" Jul 01 14:59:05 DocScrutinizer, sorry was on the phone Jul 01 14:59:16 i've seen that post but still confused Jul 01 15:04:21 hm, steve jobs is pretty relaxed about his phone... seems he has the iphone 5 already... Jul 01 15:04:51 Heh Jul 01 15:05:06 mikki-kun, I don't think he is going to be too happy about the class action law suit Jul 01 15:05:17 sup everyone.. Jul 01 15:05:37 hm, let's see who has more money for the "better" lawyer... Jul 01 15:06:01 that's what'S most probably reality ;/ Jul 01 15:06:02 nobody cares about class action lawsuits Jul 01 15:06:15 lol im at ross my chick is shopping.. this is so borin at least i got my n900 lol... Jul 01 15:06:55 Termana: everyone involved in it will get a $20 free gift card for itunes, and then they'll say "Hey look, firmware update, all fixed" Jul 01 15:07:40 ech0Nokia: don't leave the house without your n900 ;) Jul 01 15:08:21 for sure.. love this thing.. Jul 01 15:08:25 anyone who calls his "girlfriend" his "chick", probably has neither. Jul 01 15:08:40 and my 10 unlimited 3g lol Jul 01 15:08:41 more than your 'chick'? ;) Jul 01 15:08:56 mikki-kun: want a picture? Jul 01 15:09:06 10$* nah not more then my chick... Jul 01 15:09:22 mikki-kun: old joke my teachers used to crack as soon as a student got a new girlfriend Jul 01 15:09:31 mikki-kun: Do you have naked pictures of your girlfriend? Jul 01 15:09:33 i dont buy my nokia clothes lol Jul 01 15:09:37 usual answers is "No" Jul 01 15:09:43 then they ask "Do you want some?" Jul 01 15:10:02 crashanddie: i know that, but in german... from "german-bash.org" Jul 01 15:10:08 i got video Jul 01 15:11:05 i am really watching too much LoZ laterly Jul 01 15:11:07 *lately Jul 01 15:11:41 xchat works really good on here Jul 01 15:12:08 over tmo 3g Jul 01 15:12:25 youtube is all choppy though... Jul 01 15:13:21 umm Jul 01 15:13:25 so anything new came out for the n900 lately? Jul 01 15:13:30 does anyone have a connection error problem when calling? Jul 01 15:13:42 a friend is bi***ing about it Jul 01 15:13:47 i occasionally do Jul 01 15:13:50 MohammadAG: SIM authentication issue. Jul 01 15:14:15 MohammadAG: I had it with a prepaid card in Australia Jul 01 15:14:38 anyway Jul 01 15:15:00 i wish this place sold pretzils Jul 01 15:15:32 anybody else using BlessN900? Jul 01 15:15:52 whats blessn900 a theme? Jul 01 15:16:02 camera app Jul 01 15:16:08 I tried it Jul 01 15:16:12 but I prefer the inbuilt cam Jul 01 15:16:15 app Jul 01 15:16:39 my pics are kinda funny ^^ Jul 01 15:18:12 that file just has 'user=timeless' ... Jul 01 15:18:16 oops, wrong window Jul 01 15:18:26 np ;) Jul 01 15:19:01 hello, I installed the kernel from here: http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/ I then put the original kernel back. I now want to re-install the mobile hotspot kernel. How do I do that? I installed the two .deb packages but it appears that it's still not running the *other* kernel Jul 01 15:19:49 why not just install it from the repos? Jul 01 15:19:52 ur doin too much bro.. Jul 01 15:20:11 oh is it easier to install it these days? Jul 01 15:20:17 yeah Jul 01 15:20:29 ah ok.. so I'll just put it back to how it was then Jul 01 15:23:28 when I try to start it, in the terminal I get: DEBUG: Command output: insmod: can't read /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/nf_conntrack.ko: No such file or directory Jul 01 15:23:50 misc--: did you restart it? Jul 01 15:24:04 yeah Jul 01 15:24:27 I reinstalled the original kernel (apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher) then rebooted Jul 01 15:24:55 I don't need to reinstall iptables or anything do I? Or the mobile hotspot app itself? Jul 01 15:25:08 no, you're just missing the modules for it Jul 01 15:26:26 yeah. The modules are there, but just in a different directory. They're in /lib/modules/2.6.28-hotspot but my running kernel is 2.6.28-omap1 Jul 01 15:27:46 then cp them over, assuming they're compatible Jul 01 15:27:50 or flash the hotspot one Jul 01 15:28:46 ah, how do I go about flashing the hotspot one? Jul 01 15:29:13 whoah :o i think i got the best pic ever with blessn900 :o gotta check it out Jul 01 15:30:00 mehh... but it dies often >.< Jul 01 15:32:53 so maybe I could do: flasher -F /boot/zImage-hotspot-2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5.fiasco Jul 01 15:35:44 damn... so close :/ oh well Jul 01 15:37:38 i have this bug with the built-in IM client on my N810 -- all of my contacts are duplicated 2-6 times! is there any way to fix this? Jul 01 15:42:27 hi does anyone know where the freerunner port is at ? Jul 01 15:42:31 i can't find a working download :/ Jul 01 15:43:02 misc--, umm Jul 01 15:43:09 mirf: did you get problems saving your images while using blessn900? Jul 01 15:43:14 nope Jul 01 15:43:20 fiasco-image-update /boot/zImage-hotspot-2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5.fiasco Jul 01 15:43:24 if you have it there Jul 01 15:43:49 hm, mine are not correctly overlapping :( Jul 01 15:45:08 hm, i'll reinstall it... Jul 01 15:45:20 evening everyone. Jul 01 15:45:47 evening :) Jul 01 15:48:39 MohammadAG: thank you very much :) appreciate it Jul 01 15:48:44 so no one knows/ Jul 01 15:49:03 can finally go to sleep now Jul 01 15:49:40 shopping... makes.... me... wanna... kill.... myself.... Jul 01 15:50:09 (but luckily I have my N900 with me and I managed to escape back to car) Jul 01 15:50:10 d1b: freerunner port? Jul 01 15:50:47 D-Iivil: what happened? Jul 01 15:51:33 Venemo, nothing special. My wife just wanted to go buy some woman stuff etc and dragged me with her. Jul 01 15:52:13 did you need some woman stuff too? Jul 01 15:52:34 Corsac, LOL :D Noup but she needed a ride. Jul 01 15:52:41 hem Jul 01 15:52:55 is it just me or does it sounds a bit... Jul 01 15:53:03 XD Jul 01 15:53:30 D-Iivil: ah, I can understand you :) Jul 01 15:53:32 I mean... ride... by Jul 01 15:53:36 :D Jul 01 15:53:59 muhahaha arkward moment ^^ Jul 01 15:54:03 DocScrutinizer: yes Jul 01 15:54:22 Haha :D Jul 01 15:56:55 mikki-kun: you most certainly have a very good sense of humour! :P Jul 01 15:57:19 d1b: no idea what you're talking about Jul 01 15:58:23 d1b: maybe mer on Neo Freerunner? Jul 01 15:58:34 Venemo: that's what i am usually told ;) Jul 01 16:02:22 mikki-kun konichua mikki kun Jul 01 16:02:30 MohammadAG ho Jul 01 16:04:40 ZogG: hm, my japanese is not even a stage 1 yet ;) need to load the sources and bootstrap it ^^ Jul 01 16:05:20 mikki-kun i don't it at all =) Jul 01 16:05:25 just one movie Jul 01 16:05:31 and i think it's french one Jul 01 16:06:38 lol ^^ Jul 01 16:07:00 mikki-kun Taxi 2 Jul 01 16:07:14 as we speak i don't know french as well Jul 01 16:07:57 MohammadAG, ping Jul 01 16:08:05 yo terrorist Jul 01 16:08:57 Ö.ö Jul 01 16:11:14 lol ZogG, hey Jul 01 16:13:04 MohammadAG, don't you love me anymore? Jul 01 16:13:40 >.< Jul 01 16:14:03 MohammadAG51, have you got ears? Jul 01 16:17:38 ZogG: yes, there is japanese in the french movie taxi 2 Jul 01 16:17:45 DocScrutinizer: yes Jul 01 16:19:09 crashanddie, i know Jul 01 16:19:46 It didn't piss me off so much not having AT&T 3G when Nokia was going to do a subsidy through T-Mobile Jul 01 16:19:51 But that never panned out Jul 01 16:20:17 So all of their customers using AT&T (the vast majority of US people) get screwed Jul 01 16:20:30 hey GAN900 Jul 01 16:21:29 farm5.static.flickr.com/4115/4751167579_34d793b964.jpg the most cool gadget for ipad - i want one on n900 as well Jul 01 16:21:59 crashanddie i have some noob linux question =_) Jul 01 16:22:12 why would you be asking me particularly? Jul 01 16:22:15 Ask the channel :) Jul 01 16:23:11 crashanddie cause i have the feelings for you Jul 01 16:23:32 well, don't feel forced Jul 01 16:25:19 never mind =) Jul 01 16:25:57 i'm trying to find the laziest way to find out that my microSD is a fake one Jul 01 16:26:48 and i was given an advice to try out dd if=/dev/flash of=~/allsize Jul 01 16:26:52 ZogG: how can a microSD be a fake one? Jul 01 16:27:14 my question indeed :) Jul 01 16:29:01 d1b: /join #mer Jul 01 16:30:34 hm, a FLOP exception isn't good, right? Jul 01 16:31:24 Venemo: Unreliable Jul 01 16:31:34 Oo. New firefox for N900. Jul 01 16:31:38 SpeedEvil: ah, okay. Jul 01 16:31:41 ZogG: I've never seen out-and-out fake microSDs Jul 01 16:32:07 See http://www.nickscipio.com/pod/2010/02/05/bunny-stocking/ zog Jul 01 16:32:08 err Jul 01 16:32:11 not that Jul 01 16:32:14 not worksave Jul 01 16:32:35 http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918 Jul 01 16:32:42 worksafe, and interesting on fake microSDs Jul 01 16:32:56 old iirc Jul 01 16:33:05 SpeedEvil: WTF are you looking at?! Ö.ö Jul 01 16:33:09 moderately old, yes, but interesting Jul 01 16:33:25 but yeah, well worth a read Jul 01 16:34:13 * SpeedEvil wishes SDs supported a 'get out of my way' mode of error correction. Jul 01 16:35:07 Or at least TRIM Jul 01 16:35:29 anyone knows whether meego on N900 is usable? Jul 01 16:35:45 #meego Jul 01 16:35:48 i think you want #meego Jul 01 16:36:15 isn't SD just direct access to the flash blocks? or does that depend on the controller Jul 01 16:36:35 Venemo, i have fake one i need a proof Jul 01 16:36:56 it's rarely direct access Jul 01 16:36:56 ZogG: okay, I was just asking Jul 01 16:37:22 loufoque: not, it isn't really. it is a development version. Jul 01 16:37:28 Venemo reviews.ebay.com/How-to-check-storage-capacity-of-fake-USB-flash-drive_W0QQugidZ10000000003407025 Jul 01 16:37:40 ZogG: thanks! Jul 01 16:37:58 timeless: no I do not Jul 01 16:38:09 meego simply threatens maemo Jul 01 16:38:13 loufoque: you cannot even assume about pre-alpha software that it will be even remotely usable? Jul 01 16:38:47 the future of maemo looks bleak if that is meego Jul 01 16:38:59 loufoque: what do you mean? Jul 01 16:39:20 err. if you're going to talk about meego, please use #meego Jul 01 16:39:38 and please keep in mind that access to prealpha does not give much in the way of hints as to what a final product might look like Jul 01 16:39:47 it's just an invitation to devs to do stuff Jul 01 16:39:48 timeless: agreed :) Jul 01 16:40:07 and if there's no gui, then the invited devs would obviously be lower-level devs Jul 01 16:42:04 I'm writing something using pygame for maemo5. Generally, what do I have to do to make an app request to be shown fullscreen without the status area? Jul 01 16:46:23 damn maemo and damn meego and damn my fake microsd, i'm listening to music =) Jul 01 16:46:26 * ZogG xmms2> Gorillaz - Stylo (feat. Bobby Womack and Mos Def) ["Plastic Beach" 2010] Jul 01 16:47:26 xmms4> Sir Mix A Lot - Baby got n900. Jul 01 16:48:18 SpeedEvil can you make xxms4 debs? Jul 01 16:48:23 xmms4* Jul 01 16:48:54 * SpeedEvil doesn't really have xmms4. Jul 01 16:49:04 =( Jul 01 16:49:07 so... is there a GUI for kismet/aircrack yet? Jul 01 16:49:12 I'm using cuteftp Jul 01 16:49:14 err Jul 01 16:49:20 cuteexplorer + media player Jul 01 16:49:27 cuteftp on n900 or at all? Jul 01 16:49:40 SpeedEvil, media player? which one? Jul 01 16:49:46 ZogG: the inbuilt Jul 01 16:49:48 possibly with a status bar toggle that reads "Auto pwning lololol" Jul 01 16:49:55 As in pick a file in cutexplorer, and click on it Jul 01 16:49:57 why wouldn't you set xmms2 or mpd on server and listen from ity Jul 01 16:50:13 ZogG: Because I have no fucking energy at all. Jul 01 16:50:30 * ZogG hugs SpeedEvil Jul 01 16:50:45 ZogG: Getting out of bed is hard at the moment. I tend to stick with stuff that basically works, rather than spending hours sorting stuff out. Jul 01 16:50:45 come on man, come to here and grab a beer Jul 01 16:51:09 SpeedEvil, what country are you from btw? Jul 01 16:51:14 Scotland. Jul 01 16:51:38 SpeedEvil, WOW, i like your accent =))) Jul 01 16:51:46 anyway i'm going back to drink Jul 01 16:52:57 should i add sources through the gui or can i just edit /etc/apt/sources.list? Jul 01 16:52:58 * SpeedEvil passes ZogG some lime flavoured paintthinner. Jul 01 16:54:00 also, why isn't "y" working at the apt-get prompt? Jul 01 17:14:01 Heh Jul 01 17:14:09 rcadden is some seriously pissed off kind of guy Jul 01 17:14:20 "Symbian-Guru shuts down, says Nokia is 'losing hard'" Jul 01 17:19:43 lol Jul 01 17:19:48 He cracks me up Jul 01 17:26:07 The Reg article on the MyNokia thing is surreal. Jul 01 17:26:18 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/01/nokia_n900_update/ Jul 01 17:31:34 GAN900: AKA commentators on crack. Jul 01 17:31:42 Aye Jul 01 17:32:06 Whatever happened to at least pretending objectivity in journalism Jul 01 17:32:18 Even the newspapers are all editorials now. Jul 01 17:32:48 anyone here knows if screen is available for N900? I can't find it... Jul 01 17:35:41 nevermind found it Jul 01 17:36:38 wtf?! why doesn't chmod change my mods for the file?! Jul 01 17:36:56 is the file on a FAT volume? Jul 01 17:37:00 Objective journalism is boring and does not pay. Jul 01 17:37:11 because FAT doesn't have the same permissions model, it's mostly ALL or NOTHING Jul 01 17:37:23 i thought FAT had some permissions Jul 01 17:37:28 that everyone implemented in his own way Jul 01 17:37:29 READONLY Jul 01 17:37:34 or WRITABLE Jul 01 17:37:37 that's your choice Jul 01 17:37:45 what about hidden and system? Jul 01 17:37:46 :P Jul 01 17:37:48 and it's global, either everyone can write to it, or no one can write to it Jul 01 17:37:52 kerio: not expressed by chmod Jul 01 17:37:56 timeless: yeah, internal emmc of the n900 Jul 01 17:38:05 hm... man >.< Jul 01 17:38:49 hm, fun thing is i can't execute a sample script... Jul 01 17:39:06 would be just to test the kb lights of the n900 Jul 01 17:39:29 sh ./script Jul 01 17:39:36 timeless: IIRC there's some way to access hidden/system/archive in Linux... Jul 01 17:39:40 maybe chattr Jul 01 17:39:54 luke-jr: good to know Jul 01 17:40:00 technically speaking, read-only should be exposed as the 'immutable' attribute too ;) Jul 01 17:40:00 because it'd make other things i do easier Jul 01 17:40:05 i started it via /bin/bash script... Jul 01 17:40:23 funny though... busyboxes behaviour i suppose... Jul 01 17:46:59 hm... anybody an idea how i can tell blessn900 i have gstreamer-plugins installed? Jul 01 17:47:21 Have you done the dance? Jul 01 17:47:46 you can dance if you want to Jul 01 17:47:49 you can leave your friends behind Jul 01 17:48:01 cuz your friends don't dance and if they don't dance they're no friends of mine Jul 01 17:48:40 kerio wtf man Jul 01 17:51:43 evenin' Jul 01 17:53:47 http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/01/symbian-guru-shuts-down-says-nokia-is-losing-hard/ omg Jul 01 17:54:54 meh Jul 01 17:55:24 drama Jul 01 17:55:58 i've just tried to compile qstardict for my n900. my own program compiles and runs on the n900. but compiling qstardict for maemo fr 1.2 results in this error: :: error: Packaging Error: Could not copy '/home/joachim/NokiaQtSDK/qstardict-build-maemo/qstardict' to '/home/joachim/NokiaQtSDK/qstardict-0.13.1/debian/qstardict//usr/local/bin/qstardict'. Jul 01 17:56:04 any idea what i can do about it? Jul 01 17:56:07 was it that guy, Ricky Kaden or something? Jul 01 17:56:37 probably because /home/joachim/NokiaQtSDK/qstardict-build-maemo/qstardict <- does not exist at all Jul 01 17:56:41 wrong target? Jul 01 17:56:41 qknight: how much of that ... yeah Jul 01 17:57:24 waxd, who? Jul 01 17:57:24 is spin from the same peeps that made zen bound? Jul 01 17:57:52 timeless: sorry, what did you mean? Jul 01 17:58:28 i was going to write a question Jul 01 17:58:40 but you discovered the error matching my question Jul 01 17:58:47 i see Jul 01 17:58:56 do you have any idea where to fix that? must be somewhere in the installation step Jul 01 17:58:59 roughly, "cp" (copy) takes something from one extant place and puts it in another extant place Jul 01 17:59:05 qstardict.pri Jul 01 17:59:20 in this case, it tried to copy a file and put it 100ft past the edge of a cliff Jul 01 17:59:20 -p Jul 01 17:59:22 that doesn't work Jul 01 17:59:25 so it errors :) Jul 01 17:59:38 Though I don't know if busybox cp does that Jul 01 18:01:47 hello Jul 01 18:02:06 how hard would it to make an app that would allow me to share via serivce to my own server via ftp or scp? Jul 01 18:02:24 yeah it does Jul 01 18:02:27 http://paste.debian.net/79308/ does someone has any idea? Jul 01 18:02:31 (I'm on amd64 but still...) Jul 01 18:03:51 Corsac, amd64 should run x86 code, provided there are x86 libraries in the system Jul 01 18:04:41 ha, missing libc-i386, that's why Jul 01 18:10:22 Good evening everyone Jul 01 18:14:08 DrGrov: good evening for you, too Jul 01 18:14:59 it seems like having a really long sms history slows down the conversations program a lot - true? Jul 01 18:15:11 also, how much memory is your n900 taking right after a boot? Jul 01 18:15:34 mine was about 150 afair Jul 01 18:15:37 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: on your first question: I haven't experienced it, but it depends on what you consider "rally long" Jul 01 18:15:45 really long* Jul 01 18:16:01 ljsdofuynsdfufuh, sure its possible to overload things in this device as any other Jul 01 18:16:26 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: for your second question: do you mean RAM, or what? Jul 01 18:16:27 well when should it be cleared? Jul 01 18:16:39 I'd like to have the messages for reference, but i wouldn't like to slow it down as much Jul 01 18:16:49 Why the cock has tracker decided to index all of my icons >:( Jul 01 18:17:01 Venemo,yeah RAM - how much conky is showing Jul 01 18:17:24 alterego, I too wish I could tone down tracker's desire to index Jul 01 18:17:26 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: if you notice slowness, clear it - although I doubt it would slow it down Jul 01 18:18:07 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: afaik, Linux uses all the available RAM all the time - at least this is what I have been told for the same question Jul 01 18:18:43 ljsdofuynsdfufuh, how would software know which messages you want to keep? Jul 01 18:18:54 the n900 is good, but its not a mind reader Jul 01 18:18:59 hello I need help making alsa work on n900. Jul 01 18:19:19 lcuk, i would save them all somewhere (like "archive" in gmail) and then have a clear message box Jul 01 18:19:53 ljsdofuynsdfufuh, which other phones have archive like you discuss? im not saying its impossible to achieve - for sure an app could be written to do as you suggest Jul 01 18:20:23 its actually a good idea and something desktop apps use to get over overflowing databases Jul 01 18:20:58 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: I say you don't worry about it! Jul 01 18:21:35 hi Venemo Jul 01 18:21:35 Venemo, some people end up with overflowing sms boxes and i can understand it would cause it to not run optimally Jul 01 18:21:46 im worried about it needing to use swap Jul 01 18:21:54 because when i check conky it shows 4% Jul 01 18:22:01 that means it had to use it at some point Jul 01 18:22:07 on my old phones in the past i think they have limits of a few hundred messages - my n900 has thousands :D Jul 01 18:22:14 huh, how's it possible? people actually call with the n900? Jul 01 18:22:28 ljsdofuynsdfufuh, thats your problem then Jul 01 18:22:30 but currently it is using 152megs of memory Jul 01 18:22:56 lcuk that I'm using swap? Jul 01 18:23:00 Corsac: x86 libs basically means your OS doubles in size Jul 01 18:23:11 ljsdofuynsdfufuh, usage patterns vary and so what if you are in a bit of swap? Jul 01 18:23:28 Corsac: this is one reason why you shouldn't tolerate proprietary software :) Jul 01 18:23:37 Corsac: FWIW, Flasher 3.0 supported amd64 Jul 01 18:23:40 again, i'd rather have swp than run out of memory and have phone stop dead as normally happens on other models Jul 01 18:23:42 well if I'm trying to optimize I guess finding out why I'm in swap would be the first order of business Jul 01 18:23:46 but I can't legally share that with you thanks to Nokia et al Jul 01 18:23:47 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: after some time my swap is used around 100MB... don't worry about that Jul 01 18:23:52 yes ls Jul 01 18:24:35 * ZogG is little bit drunk \o/ Jul 01 18:24:48 ZogG: what's drinkcounter saying? Jul 01 18:24:51 :D Jul 01 18:24:54 you can reduce the swappiness i guess Jul 01 18:24:58 but using the swap is *good* Jul 01 18:25:00 i'm not sure Jul 01 18:25:06 it means the system has ram to use for the disk cache Jul 01 18:25:09 we need proper alcohol sensors on n900! Jul 01 18:25:11 The best way is to clear Conversations each and every day. Nothing more. Jul 01 18:25:18 you haven't installed that app before starting to drink? :o Jul 01 18:25:22 i wonder if qtmobility will support reading breathilizers Jul 01 18:25:24 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: don't worry about swapping. Jul 01 18:25:24 how dare you? Jul 01 18:25:26 instead of keeping it for unused programs Jul 01 18:25:36 it was the martini for desert and braeiger for the good life Jul 01 18:25:38 DrGrov, every day! Jul 01 18:25:44 who is Cassolini again? Jul 01 18:25:44 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: the OS knows when it needs swap. It may use swap regardless of your messages Jul 01 18:26:01 DrGrov, i have conversations that go back to last year Jul 01 18:26:13 how abou adding fibre-optic torsional sensors so you can twist the device Jul 01 18:26:15 I didn't think it was the messages, but possibly a lot of the apps Ive installed Jul 01 18:26:37 pupnik, that could only work if you move the accupuncture module Jul 01 18:26:54 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: btw, i used swap in the distant past and even though i had enough free ram it wrote some things to swap (was around 4KB) dunno why, maybe to have it occupied Jul 01 18:26:54 ljsdofuynsdfufuh, then you know what to do Jul 01 18:26:55 say more pupnik! Jul 01 18:27:05 lcuk: yes, i clear it every day. Jul 01 18:27:30 if you really want the system to only use swap when really out of physical RAM, you can set the swappiness to 0' Jul 01 18:27:53 but that's not advised Jul 01 18:27:54 i will fill the root with just themes Jul 01 18:27:55 at least it isn't HDD swap Jul 01 18:27:56 damn Jul 01 18:27:57 using swap is good Jul 01 18:28:56 any upcoming themes from testing repos? Jul 01 18:29:13 ljsdofuynsdfufuh, go investigating then Jul 01 18:29:14 I'm using that lame ass matrix theme Jul 01 18:29:15 i like it Jul 01 18:29:35 run top or some other things and break down whats happening Jul 01 18:30:28 carbon theme ftw. Jul 01 18:30:48 is carbon even in testing? Jul 01 18:31:19 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: you can always set swappinedd to a lower value - some people actually think that it improves battery life Jul 01 18:31:52 uhm, wtf?! busybox removed from cp the -v option?! Jul 01 18:31:58 that is so not cool -.- Jul 01 18:32:00 busybox sucks Jul 01 18:32:28 i mean, saving space is gorgeous, but at some point it just isn't the usual linux-experience any more Jul 01 18:32:55 i thought -v was in posix Jul 01 18:33:45 mikki-kun, is it possible it didnt remove it - it merely did not implement it Jul 01 18:33:46 and how much space are you going to save eliminating -v from cp? Jul 01 18:34:56 kerio: what is -v doing anyways? Jul 01 18:35:04 not sure Jul 01 18:35:14 verbose output Jul 01 18:35:23 mikki-kun: which means... what? Jul 01 18:35:24 you see what cp copies and where it is currently Jul 01 18:35:25 -v Cause cp to be verbose, showing files as they are copied. Jul 01 18:35:35 man cp from a bsd system Jul 01 18:37:36 kerio: ah, thanks, I didn't know Jul 01 18:40:50 I don't have a .asoundrc file by default on n900. Does anyone know more about this? Jul 01 18:43:46 Is there any mapping app that can search the maps when in offline mode? Jul 01 18:45:56 evening chaps Jul 01 18:46:31 * RST38h yawns Jul 01 18:46:34 lardman: evening to you, too Jul 01 18:46:40 hi Venemo Jul 01 18:46:54 RST38h: I'm offended I have that affect on you :p Jul 01 18:47:01 so... why did i buy a n900 with an italian keyboard again? :/ Jul 01 18:47:06 s/affect/effect Jul 01 18:47:08 doh! Jul 01 18:47:20 because you put in dvorak mode and type blind anyway? Jul 01 18:47:26 BugBlue: nope Jul 01 18:47:39 and there's a dvorak mode for the n900? Jul 01 18:47:41 :o Jul 01 18:47:44 my maemo email client is soooooo slow. Jul 01 18:47:57 This is the one reason I'd go back to a blackberry. Jul 01 18:48:06 It's email done right. Jul 01 18:48:27 Is there any way to improve performance on the Exchange and Gmail client? Jul 01 18:48:27 kerio, i dont think there is by default, but the keymat can be customised easily Jul 01 18:48:35 i see Jul 01 18:48:42 i really like having up and down as real keys Jul 01 18:49:20 blizzow: yeah, modest blows as an email client if you ahve any mail in your inbox. and even beyond that. Jul 01 18:50:30 * kerio uses a webmail :/ Jul 01 18:51:11 keiro: you are better off with webmail, believe me Jul 01 18:51:32 gmail? on microB? Jul 01 18:51:37 oooff. Webmail doesn't push. :( Jul 01 18:52:00 blizzow: i have 50MB/day anyway Jul 01 18:52:21 it has to *ask* me when it wants to use the mobile data Jul 01 18:53:32 * RST38h moos at lardman trying to persuade that the yawn has been merely a coincidence Jul 01 18:54:27 * lardman moos back in acceptance :) Jul 01 18:55:52 Does anyone out there use mplayer on n900? Jul 01 18:55:53 wtf? there's no way to move an email? Jul 01 18:56:39 * RST38h wonders if N900 can be coerced into doing 3D Jul 01 18:56:58 Are there BT-controlled shutter glasses? =) Jul 01 18:57:05 heh. Jul 01 18:57:18 RST38h: just put a mirror behind it Jul 01 18:57:27 shutter glasses work with IR Jul 01 19:00:09 radiochickenwax, I don't use it but I know a bit about it? Jul 01 19:01:19 Hi, since a few weeks, the ICQ support of my n900 has been broken. It doesn't even connect. Is there a known fix for that? Jul 01 19:01:55 ShadowJK, thanks. I was starting to think nobody could see what I was writing. Jul 01 19:02:26 I can't make any sound from the n900 commandline. aplay, sox, or mplayer; none of them make any sound. Jul 01 19:02:55 Do you have silent profile or generic profile active? Jul 01 19:04:13 aplay? Jul 01 19:04:16 hmm Jul 01 19:04:26 tried with both silent and generic Jul 01 19:04:48 * DocScrutinizer throws some random shit at PA general direction Jul 01 19:04:50 what about if you plug in headphones Jul 01 19:07:02 how do i change the volume from within microB? Jul 01 19:07:28 change the settings from zoom to volume? Jul 01 19:07:29 Flyser: You should downgrade pidgin stuff to 0.6.1 Jul 01 19:07:38 kerio, theres a configuration option to allow zooming or volume Jul 01 19:07:41 kerio: An annoyance. The easiest way I've found is to use camkeyd to pop out to the desktop/task switcher, then do it there Jul 01 19:07:46 ok. changing profile to general gives me sound from aplay. sorry. Still can't run mplayer at all though. Video works in easy-debian, but no sound. Jul 01 19:07:57 or just tap out of microb to do volume then back in Jul 01 19:08:00 Weird, no excitement about meego release... Jul 01 19:08:10 the amount of times i changed zoom until that feature arrived Jul 01 19:08:12 RST38h: How am I supposed to do that? sorry, but I never really used debian before Jul 01 19:08:17 omg youtube is slow Jul 01 19:08:24 And what about MPlayer outside of easy-debian? Jul 01 19:08:55 oh, it works fine in fullscreen Jul 01 19:09:04 kerio, depends on the vide and what else is happening around your device at the time Jul 01 19:09:10 and the volume key actually works Jul 01 19:09:13 but i take youtube over 3g as win Jul 01 19:09:14 aplay .local/share/sounds/daf-der_mussolini.mp3.wav WFM - though... not really, need a stetoskope Jul 01 19:09:32 der_mussolini.mp3? Jul 01 19:09:32 mplayer outside of easy-debian says "crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM" Jul 01 19:10:30 kerio: custom ringtone cache Jul 01 19:10:36 :/ Jul 01 19:13:08 I got a weird experience with n900. In the middle of using, device vibrated and turned off. Couldn't turn it back on. After a while, I was able to turn it on when connected to charger. Even after a full night's charge, the n900 reported "nearly empty". I changed to a secondary battery. Now, after 2 days rest with that batter, it reports full. Jul 01 19:13:27 that's the original battery that came with the n900. I originally suspected the battery died, but now I guess it's a software bug? Jul 01 19:14:19 omg, robot unicorn attack works Jul 01 19:14:28 crap, i have my final in less than a week Jul 01 19:14:35 RST38h: no real crowd of devels on meego (possibly caused by general hostile mood to community in meEgo), so I'm not much interested in it. So - if others feel alike -there won't be devels in numbers on the next future, so no way to overcome the "we'll finish next release, then you - the devels - can jump the train" attitude any time soon Jul 01 19:15:43 * RST38h isn't hostile toward Meggo, why be hostile to it? Jul 01 19:15:59 kaie: maybe you reporting about charger used would help a lot - don't you think so? Jul 01 19:16:06 RST38h, what would make you excited? Jul 01 19:16:22 lcuk: An actual device running Meego and widely available Jul 01 19:17:07 BTW, anyone knows if Maemo5 Gtk+ generates events for double- and triple-clicks? Jul 01 19:17:24 * RST38h is trying to finally fix FBReader's tap-to-turn Jul 01 19:17:26 RST38h: lost in translation? I claimed meEgo has a hostile mood towards developers, not me having a hostile mood towards meego Jul 01 19:17:36 Doc: Ah! Jul 01 19:17:43 Doc: I do not see that either Jul 01 19:18:06 RST38h, how well does your stuff run on the x86 netbook or on the aava stuff Jul 01 19:18:13 (you are @ intel, cant you get yourself an aava Jul 01 19:18:16 lcuk: I have no aava hw Jul 01 19:18:24 lcuk: And no, I cannot Jul 01 19:18:26 RST38h: What's weong with it? Jul 01 19:18:26 The meego handset ux release is only "exciting" in that it allows more N900 hardware adaptation in the open Jul 01 19:18:30 RST38h: maybe that's because you never tried to paricipate in real system development Jul 01 19:18:33 DocScrutinizer, you propose I should file a bug against the charger component? Jul 01 19:18:37 lcuk: Netbooks run my stuff just fine Jul 01 19:18:45 which should benefit harmattan on N900 Jul 01 19:18:47 cool Jul 01 19:18:49 kaie: did I??? Jul 01 19:18:55 lcuk: Although I have no idea why anyone would 1) buy a netbook and 2) run Meego on it Jul 01 19:19:09 Doc: I didn't? =) Jul 01 19:19:12 DocScrutinizer, I didn't understand your proposal, and that was my guess. I'd appreciate if you could clarify your proposal. Jul 01 19:19:17 has anyone tried building the meego apps for fremantle? Jul 01 19:19:20 netbooks are the only way you can play nethack on the go Jul 01 19:19:40 kerio: I can play nethack on N900 Jul 01 19:19:44 and yes, it is in Extras Jul 01 19:19:47 my proposal was you mention the exact type and build of charger you used Jul 01 19:19:50 ...no you can't Jul 01 19:19:55 you need two hands and a fullsize keyboard Jul 01 19:20:01 kaie: it matters which type of charger you used Jul 01 19:20:03 not really Jul 01 19:20:03 otherwise it's just not worth it :( Jul 01 19:20:18 RST38h: (testing or devel?) Jul 01 19:20:26 kerio: I forgot Jul 01 19:20:37 there is one in extras Jul 01 19:20:46 that's vulture's eye Jul 01 19:20:53 aw, it's probably in devel Jul 01 19:20:58 if it's not vulture, i mean Jul 01 19:21:35 flailingmonkey: doesn't help - probably has been an offense to ask that Jul 01 19:22:05 DocScrutinizer, flailingmonkey I see, thanks for clarifying. I used the adapter that came with the device. It was either original Nokia AC-3E or original Nokia AC-4E, I don't know which one it was Jul 01 19:22:24 that's exact enough Jul 01 19:22:44 speaking of charging... :P Jul 01 19:22:47 kaie: did it have the moving bat icon indicating it's charging? Jul 01 19:22:51 yes Jul 01 19:23:14 :( i don't have a 80x24 terminal Jul 01 19:23:16 I've charged using those older charges multiple times before Jul 01 19:23:18 DocScrutinizer: what are your goals for first/next stage of jrbme? Jul 01 19:23:46 I use the AC-10E that came with the device at my work desk, and the older ones in the bedroom for overnight charging Jul 01 19:23:51 kaie: you had some special software running? like wifihotspot, joghurtsport mencoder or something Jul 01 19:23:53 ? Jul 01 19:24:25 DocScrutinizer, no, don't use any of those. witter, FeedingIt, browser, email Jul 01 19:24:52 hmm Jul 01 19:24:58 DocScrutinizer, when it happened, I tried to click on the amazon-installer icon for the first time, it started installing, then it turned off Jul 01 19:24:58 is there a way to have a fullscreen terminal with x terminal? Jul 01 19:24:59 feedingit I don't know. Were you connected via 3G? Jul 01 19:25:15 DocScrutinizer, wifi at home. feedingit is a RSS feed reader Jul 01 19:25:43 kaie: you made sure it's not accidentally using your 3G all the time? Jul 01 19:25:48 but yes, I was using a SIM and the sime was booked in to wifi Jul 01 19:26:03 DocScrutinizer, yes I'm sure, because my device is configured to ask me which connection I want Jul 01 19:26:39 err, I meant, yes, the sim was connected to the 3g network (but not online via 3g, was online via wifi) Jul 01 19:26:47 ok, then I'm actually out of easy options - I suggest you try charging via PC-USB Jul 01 19:27:09 and see if that works better. If yes, then probably your charger is broken Jul 01 19:27:21 DocScrutinizer, the battery is now full again. the mysterious is that the battery recovered from "being empty" to "being charged" without charging, after 2 days idle period Jul 01 19:27:49 withhout charging?? o.O Jul 01 19:27:50 I've charged with AC-10E now, to make sure it's full. I will have a look. I can report if it happens again. Jul 01 19:27:53 right Jul 01 19:28:08 hmm, i need a bigger screen to play nethack Jul 01 19:28:09 really Jul 01 19:28:11 So, gentlemen, double-click and triple-click in Maemo5 GTK+? Anyone knows if these are implemented? Jul 01 19:28:11 DocScrutinizer, should I stay away from that battery? :) maybe it's really broken Jul 01 19:28:24 now bme (the pile of shit sw estimating battery capacity) is doing weird things, but *that*... Jul 01 19:29:16 you said you got a spare battery? Jul 01 19:29:21 DocScrutinizer, I've even running that battery meter application. (BatteryGraph). It dropped to competely zero 2 days ago. And even while charging the capacity remained at zero Jul 01 19:29:30 DocScrutinizer, yes, I was using the spare battery during the previous 2 days Jul 01 19:30:34 kaie: bat meter and bat eye are notorious to eat up batery power by issueing display refresh IRQ at a rate of 60/s Jul 01 19:30:37 :-P Jul 01 19:31:00 though you don't run the UI usually Jul 01 19:31:04 that might explain why it drains quicker, but should not explain that behavior Jul 01 19:31:23 the daemon sits waiting for dbus messages from bme Jul 01 19:31:26 kaie: there's a known problem of N900 frequently needs a second plugging round for charger to be detected Jul 01 19:31:34 kaie: have an eye on that Jul 01 19:31:48 DocScrutinizer, ok thanks, I'll make sure I'll always verify it's really charging Jul 01 19:32:21 DocScrutinizer, question: If the n900 notices the charge is getting low, shouldn't it notify me? I didn't get any notifications whatsoever Jul 01 19:32:55 kaie: also you should install mem cpu load applet, and watch for excessive cpu load. And you should close browser windows in time, esp when there's any plugins, namely flash Jul 01 19:33:09 yes, I do all of that Jul 01 19:33:45 (notification) yes, that's the tale Jul 01 19:33:59 I'd not rely on that Jul 01 19:34:22 kaie: It bings Jul 01 19:34:26 kaie: At least for me Jul 01 19:34:37 I probably was in silent mode. No visual feedback? Jul 01 19:34:39 also this notifier comes up once at best, then ever after it will happily drain your bat until shutdown Jul 01 19:34:48 ok Jul 01 19:34:53 then I might have missed it Jul 01 19:35:09 sometimes for me it comes up every 5 secs Jul 01 19:35:33 but really, I really think I would have noticed that the indicator showed low level. I really believe it was actively charging when it dropped out. Jul 01 19:35:42 hmm, I heard different reports. I myself never seen it at all, but then I also never had that problem Jul 01 19:36:04 ..of *low* charge. I just get *no* charge 1 out of 2 Jul 01 19:36:13 should Nokia AC-3E work fine, even if it's a lower power charger? Jul 01 19:37:27 kaie: when the charger current is less than what device consumes, then you discharge battery over time, and you get bat charging indicator, and a onetime notifier "warning, charge current low" OWTTE Jul 01 19:37:49 that's true, maybe that's what happened Jul 01 19:38:21 is there some way to see drain ? I should look for a /proc/acpi/battery Jul 01 19:38:22 * DocScrutinizer mumbles 27B/6 27B/6 27B/6 27B/6 27B/6 27B/6 27B/6 Jul 01 19:38:27 er AC-3E Jul 01 19:38:36 kaie: not directly with the stock firmware - no Jul 01 19:38:38 robot unicorn attack is too slow :( Jul 01 19:38:44 kaie: Do you know what elf is? Jul 01 19:38:47 AC-10E here Jul 01 19:38:56 SpeedEvil, you mean the binary object format? Jul 01 19:39:25 no, the monster manual entry Jul 01 19:39:37 SpeedEvil: ??? Jul 01 19:39:58 is there a vmlinux image handy for oprofile on the n900 anywhere? Jul 01 19:40:00 1d8 HD, 15 AC Jul 01 19:40:01 kaie: http://www.mauve.plus.com/bat.tar.gz - is a simple script from ShadowJK that polls the charge meter chip Jul 01 19:40:02 bq27200.sh is the cookie for kaie Jul 01 19:40:29 kaie: It is not fully baked, but it works well - especially run from ssh. Jul 01 19:40:53 SpeedEvil, great thanks, will try it Jul 01 19:41:01 try -r Jul 01 19:41:05 It gives - the 'mA' column - with -r option - battery discharge rates every 5s Jul 01 19:41:11 maybe -r 30 Jul 01 19:41:35 Practically, I've seen surprisingly little difference wiht lower poll rates Jul 01 19:41:53 but it's simply annoying Jul 01 19:42:03 I'd suggest -r 300 Jul 01 19:42:35 ther's just so much that can change on battery state in 5 min Jul 01 19:43:14 SpeedEvil: is i2ctools included in that tgz now? Jul 01 19:43:26 aah yes Jul 01 19:43:28 it is Jul 01 19:43:31 iirc Jul 01 19:43:46 DocScrutinizer, wonderful thanks. Jul 01 19:44:15 yes Jul 01 19:44:53 ok, I'll uses these scripts to see what's happening when I run into the same state again Jul 01 19:46:00 no -r Jul 01 19:46:02 just a number Jul 01 19:46:07 kaie: as I always get confused with sign of mA current: there's TTF and TTE, that's time to full/empty, and if it's charging, the TTE shows a bogus number, on discharge TTF does Jul 01 19:46:16 ShadowJK: aah Jul 01 19:46:18 yep Jul 01 19:47:20 kaie: you should 'install' and use it before you run in trouble again, so you got it ready and are familiar with it Jul 01 19:48:46 I even had it autostarted on boot and redirected output to a logfile in ~user/ Jul 01 19:49:21 comes in handy when you want to know what happened the *last* 30h Jul 01 19:49:40 what way do you propose to install? /etc/init.d script? divert to logfile? Jul 01 19:49:46 ok Jul 01 19:50:42 'install' = tar -xf ; autostart I did via xsessions's autostart drawer iirc Jul 01 19:51:07 there's also tracker and whatnot in it - looks like a natural place for such things Jul 01 19:51:39 what file is the contacts and etc kept in on the n900? Jul 01 19:51:55 hmm yes Jul 01 19:51:56 it looks like mine may need to be exchanged, I'm hoping to back it up Jul 01 19:52:03 is it in the user's home directory? Jul 01 19:52:03 while we're at it, here's my story about the spare battery. it was labeled as "original nokia", but bought on amazon. While it looks original, I guess it isn't. With that battery, I get the following behavior: "n900 shows battery completely full for all day, then it suddenly drops to nearly empty". that behavior is an additional mechanism for me to distinguish the came-with-device-battery and fake-original-bought-on-amazon Jul 01 19:52:13 backup app does that for you Jul 01 19:52:20 paroneayea: ^^^ Jul 01 19:52:36 this is extremely awesome: http://talk.maemo.org/showtherad.php?p=737714&postcount=1944 - if this works there may no longer be a need for R&D mode to keep the watchdogs hardware happy :)))))))))))) Jul 01 19:52:41 paroneayea: use backup app, as they are stored in a db Jul 01 19:52:56 *hardware watchdogs Jul 01 19:52:56 DocScrutinizer: flailingmonkey: ok... Jul 01 19:53:03 b-man: what's unhappy with watchdogs?? Jul 01 19:53:17 b-man, your link has a typo, => showthread Jul 01 19:53:38 /home/user/.osso-abook Jul 01 19:54:00 MohammadAG51: yeah, but nobody wants do mess with that :-P Jul 01 19:54:06 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=737714&postcount=1944 Jul 01 19:54:11 (sorry) Jul 01 19:54:34 kaie, sounds like signature fake-battery behaviour :) Jul 01 19:54:34 kaie: what was price difference from that amazon one and direct from nokia Jul 01 19:54:36 DocScrutinizer: with that fixed i hay have a chance at ubuntu-n9x0 Jul 01 19:54:40 MohammadAG51: do a good deed and check what's that watchdog nonsense -your nerves are young :-D Jul 01 19:54:42 *may Jul 01 19:54:51 flailingmonkey, 20 euro Jul 01 19:55:03 which clearly explains I should have expected a fake Jul 01 19:55:28 DocScrutinizer, hmm, I just shot it in the head, my device doesn't reboot now :) Jul 01 19:55:43 lol Jul 01 19:56:17 DocScrutinizer: its about having twl4030 module reset watchdogs on module load Jul 01 19:56:29 for nitdroid Jul 01 19:56:38 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Jul 01 19:56:47 flailingmonkey, he knows what a watchdog is Jul 01 19:57:04 probably the most useless effort in sw development I ever heard of Jul 01 19:57:15 DocScrutinizer isn't a n00b Jul 01 19:57:19 he's a power user Jul 01 19:57:21 * MohammadAG51 hides Jul 01 19:57:26 damn there are really nice cheap android phones Jul 01 19:57:49 nah seriously, he's an engineer who argues about software too Jul 01 19:58:29 he just didn't want to load tmo :P Jul 01 19:58:38 exactly Jul 01 19:58:45 my nerves... Jul 01 19:58:52 who _wants_ to load tmo? Jul 01 19:59:08 the word nitdroid was just about enough for them Jul 01 20:00:27 blasphemy to run android on a maemo device :-S Jul 01 20:00:58 but honestly that's no rocket science to never start the watchdogs Jul 01 20:01:09 or feed them correctly Jul 01 20:03:01 nomnomnom Jul 01 20:03:49 DocScrutinizer, yeah, kill it Jul 01 20:03:53 DocScrutinizer: you missed my earlier question, or I missed your response Jul 01 20:04:03 come here lil puppy, get me the slippers! - Arfarf arf - ourchh -SICK Jul 01 20:04:12 they don't want to use R&D apparently Jul 01 20:04:37 I don't talk about R&D Jul 01 20:05:01 DocScrutinizer, more like come here lil pupply, arf arf *gun fire* Jul 01 20:06:38 tomorrow is THE day Jul 01 20:06:51 *(Here Fido, Fido, mpt, mpt, mpt, come here little puppy Jul 01 20:06:53 Bring the slippers Jul 01 20:06:54 Arf, arf, arf Jul 01 20:06:56 (C-R-A-S-H) Jul 01 20:06:57 Huhm, HAH, HAH, HAH...hmhmhm)* Jul 01 20:06:59 STINK! Jul 01 20:07:01 indeed. my question was what are your goals for the first/next step of jrbme Jul 01 20:07:27 *(Well then Fido got up off the floor, and he rolled over Jul 01 20:07:29 and he looked me straight in the eye Jul 01 20:07:30 And you know what he said? Jul 01 20:08:21 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] Jul 01 20:08:41 that ^? Jul 01 20:08:51 ??? Jul 01 20:09:15 nvm Jul 01 20:09:42 can i speak my language? :) Jul 01 20:09:56 if it's english Jul 01 20:09:58 then yes Jul 01 20:09:59 or eng only? Jul 01 20:10:16 yay, i successfully remapped the keyboard Jul 01 20:10:16 huh lol Jul 01 20:10:26 no it's russian :) Jul 01 20:10:39 although now i don't have a "à" key anymore :( Jul 01 20:10:40 MohammadAG51: he said "the crux of the bisquit is the apostrophe" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9FBQ1O5F8k Jul 01 20:12:04 what is maemo? Jul 01 20:12:27 nothing you need to know about if you don't already it Jul 01 20:12:44 :( Jul 01 20:12:46 MohammadAG51: i accidentally the whole maemo Jul 01 20:13:05 nitnatsnok: it's the linux distribution that handles nokia tablets Jul 01 20:13:18 i use iPhone and i'm happy Jul 01 20:13:30 good for you Jul 01 20:13:36 also i think to by device with maemo or android Jul 01 20:13:38 fine for you - but wrong channel Jul 01 20:13:39 don't buy an N900 then Jul 01 20:13:54 hmm Jul 01 20:14:01 why? Jul 01 20:14:04 if you're an iPhone user i'd say android Jul 01 20:14:25 nitnatsnok: i'm reading the freedesktop documentation to remap some keys in the keyboard Jul 01 20:14:31 and i bought this thing *yesterday* Jul 01 20:14:36 hmm Jul 01 20:14:44 it's a phone for nerds Jul 01 20:14:52 kerio, check wiki.maemo.org Jul 01 20:14:56 MohammadAG51: i know Jul 01 20:15:01 it's somewhat working now Jul 01 20:15:08 but i'm not exactly happy with the result Jul 01 20:15:09 nice :) Jul 01 20:15:30 i mean, for ò and à i need to fn+key to get the dead accent and then push the letter Jul 01 20:15:53 can you advice me a best device with android on this moment? Jul 01 20:15:54 change your language Jul 01 20:15:55 kerio: now THAT'S the way to go for kbd mapping Jul 01 20:16:12 MohammadAG51: i'm italian, it's not my fault :( Jul 01 20:16:21 nitnatsnok, i'd say a Nexus One, or a Droid X Jul 01 20:16:33 never had any of those Jul 01 20:16:47 MohammadAG51: 7min ban! :-P Jul 01 20:16:51 i guess i could merge two keys here Jul 01 20:16:52 uf... Jul 01 20:16:55 or an HTC desire. how about #android if it's there Jul 01 20:17:01 gaah i don't know Jul 01 20:17:12 DocScrutinizer, I dare you Jul 01 20:17:30 I have never seen these in Russia... Jul 01 20:17:32 kerio, it is, change nationality Jul 01 20:17:40 MohammadAG51: that's not a sentence my english teacher tought me Jul 01 20:17:42 heh Jul 01 20:18:09 MohammadAG51: kerio 's way is *much* smarter Jul 01 20:18:28 DocScrutinizer, ever heard of sarcasm? :P Jul 01 20:18:36 is there another italian here? Jul 01 20:18:57 DocScrutinizer, and it's taught, not tought, fire your english teacher Jul 01 20:19:09 :p Jul 01 20:19:53 I guess he's been fired already, when he got fire funeral Jul 01 20:20:14 are pgup/pgdwn/home/end that useful? Jul 01 20:20:19 because i could remap the accents there Jul 01 20:20:37 terminal? Jul 01 20:20:42 hmm, depends Jul 01 20:20:58 or i could lose the capitalised È Jul 01 20:21:03 and that'd get me another key Jul 01 20:21:56 what do i use more, i wonder Jul 01 20:21:58 ò or à? Jul 01 20:22:04 i need a frequency table Jul 01 20:22:11 can someone tell me the advantages of ramzez or compcash Jul 01 20:22:19 e Jul 01 20:22:23 what Jul 01 20:22:23 kerio: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard Jul 01 20:22:28 DocScrutinizer: i know Jul 01 20:22:31 i already remapped it Jul 01 20:22:39 but i'm not completely happy with the results Jul 01 20:22:46 its a swap file in ram Jul 01 20:22:50 ~keyremap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard Jul 01 20:22:51 MohammadAG51: okay Jul 01 20:23:02 where is keyremap? Jul 01 20:23:07 hm Jul 01 20:23:10 ~where is keyremap? Jul 01 20:23:12 rumour has it, keyremap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard Jul 01 20:23:15 nice Jul 01 20:23:16 err, i just defined it for infobot Jul 01 20:23:21 i know Jul 01 20:23:22 doesnt linux swap page to ram untill ram is full Jul 01 20:23:23 i was trying it Jul 01 20:23:24 oh Jul 01 20:23:31 ~keyremap Jul 01 20:23:32 i guess keyremap is http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard Jul 01 20:24:16 and especially http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard#Example_for_keyboard_with_only_two_arrow_keys Jul 01 20:26:11 smackpotato: I guess the hack there is compression Jul 01 20:27:02 ok, now i have a single combination for the grave-accented letters Jul 01 20:27:25 i should read first Jul 01 20:27:46 it compresse befor swaping to ram Jul 01 20:27:46 do you guys think this is worth writing in the wiki? Jul 01 20:30:54 kerio: if it's something new, then it's always appreciated if clearly documented and correct Jul 01 20:31:43 kerio: virtually everybody prefers c&p to editing keymaps on his own Jul 01 20:31:54 yeah Jul 01 20:31:56 i would've liked it too Jul 01 20:31:57 :) Jul 01 20:39:35 this is odd - application manager is complaining that i have no more space for installing applications yet i have 77.3mb on / and 362.0mb on /opt :P Jul 01 20:40:08 have any of you had this problem? Jul 01 20:40:40 b-man, well technically what are you trying to install Jul 01 20:40:54 autocomplete editor Jul 01 20:42:14 b-man, use apt-get you noob Jul 01 20:42:31 b-man, i've seen it on tmo though, what do the logs say? Jul 01 20:42:35 i do - but i'm being lazy atm xD Jul 01 20:42:42 MohammadAG51, that option has a RED LIGHT i repeat a RED LIGHT. heis not 1337 enough Jul 01 20:42:44 use fapman Jul 01 20:42:46 1 sec Jul 01 20:42:59 lcuk, he has 3 lights, does it matter? Jul 01 20:43:47 b-man, in all seriousness, just try in console because i wanna know how much space apt thinks it needs Jul 01 20:45:53 apt-worker is saying i don't have enough freespace in /home, but i still have 22GB free on my Emmc Jul 01 20:46:05 permissions issue? Jul 01 20:46:15 * b-man checks Jul 01 20:47:58 /home/.apt-archive-cache/ has root permissions Jul 01 20:48:11 alrightl done Jul 01 20:49:23 b-man, chown it to user:users? Jul 01 20:49:33 hi Jul 01 20:49:59 MohammadAG51: that's what i'm trying - 1 secv Jul 01 20:50:37 * MohammadAG51 wants a microb plugin which reroutes FLVs to the mediaplayer Jul 01 20:51:22 the mediaplayer reads .flvs? Jul 01 20:51:23 :o Jul 01 20:51:59 yes Jul 01 20:53:23 MohammadAG5: didn't make any difference Jul 01 20:53:49 apt-get works fine though Jul 01 20:54:14 * b-man stabs apt-worker Jul 01 20:55:36 but it has super cow powers! Jul 01 20:55:43 :D Jul 01 20:56:06 ~moo Jul 01 20:56:07 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Jul 01 20:56:12 apt-get moo! Jul 01 20:56:14 kerio: since I flash my device I can find bounce to install it in the default catalog Jul 01 20:56:25 well, without the! Jul 01 20:56:39 mortini: i know lol Jul 01 20:57:11 >.> Jul 01 20:57:22 apt: moo Jul 01 20:57:23 * apt mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Jul 01 20:57:35 lol Jul 01 20:57:39 Nadley: it's in the ovi store i think Jul 01 20:58:08 kerio of course you're right I totaly forgot :s Jul 01 20:58:10 thanks Jul 01 20:58:23 yay, i'm helpful Jul 01 20:58:32 lmao Jul 01 20:58:41 DocScrutinizer, ? Jul 01 20:58:46 aww, you kicked the sexy one. Jul 01 20:59:39 lcuk: * b-man stabs apt-worker but it has super cow powers! ~moo apt-get moo! Jul 01 21:00:31 apt-worker doesn't have super cow powers ;D Jul 01 21:01:12 DocScrutinizer, so why did you kick it Jul 01 21:02:15 lcuk: Tim configured ibot for nick infobot on #maemo. having 2 instances of ibot concurrently on same chan is begging for chaos Jul 01 21:03:07 heh. Jul 01 21:03:21 it's amusing to have bots talk to each other, but after awhile it gets really annoying Jul 01 21:03:42 ahh makes sense DocScrutinizer Jul 01 21:03:52 had 2 rbots that'd talk to each other and fill up their markov chains with babble Jul 01 21:04:28 ohhhh!!!! i think i nailed the problem with apt-worker - the actual /home directory is user:users ;P Jul 01 21:04:41 is there a widget to have information about battery ? Jul 01 21:05:12 yes Jul 01 21:05:36 but it's also eating quite a bit of battery while enabled X-P Jul 01 21:06:01 called battery eye and/or battery graph Jul 01 21:06:22 ok and how can I have information about my battery without them Jul 01 21:06:30 and there's [2010-07-01 21:40:00] kaie: http://www.mauve.plus.com/bat.tar.gz - is a simple script from ShadowJK that polls the charge meter chip Jul 01 21:06:46 It's not a widget Jul 01 21:06:50 ggrraahh!! didn't work xP Jul 01 21:06:59 And atleast battery-eye eats less power than my script ;p Jul 01 21:07:04 (with the battery-eye UI closed) Jul 01 21:07:14 ShadowJK: obviously, but you could use queen beecon Jul 01 21:07:19 ok I'll try all those things Jul 01 21:08:01 Nadley: what exactly do you need to know about battery? Jul 01 21:08:32 approx the % charge and why not the estimated time remaining Jul 01 21:09:01 Nadley: see, you could also use queen beecon with a cmdline like "lshal|grep percent" Jul 01 21:09:45 ""why not the estimated time remaining"" seems impossuble to answer by any software fitting on a N900 Jul 01 21:10:03 yes I found this cmdline but I can't find the pipe on the keyboard Jul 01 21:10:17 DocScrutinizer: only if it has to be right :P Jul 01 21:10:24 fn+ctrl to open up the symbols virtual keyboard Jul 01 21:10:25 you should build a better bigger cmputer to find the question for this answer Jul 01 21:10:57 btw, i think that other widget is better for this Jul 01 21:11:03 the one that shows the result of a command Jul 01 21:11:53 there's queen beecon and desktop cmd line execution widget (or similar) Jul 01 21:12:13 both do almost same afaik Jul 01 21:12:18 kerio: thanks Jul 01 21:12:24 I never tried queen Jul 01 21:12:43 queen beacon has colors Jul 01 21:12:50 And hexagons Jul 01 21:12:52 for stuff that returns a specific exit code Jul 01 21:12:55 eeew Jul 01 21:13:00 heh Jul 01 21:13:03 TEXT FTW Jul 01 21:13:12 hmm ok Jul 01 21:13:27 queen bacon is yummy Jul 01 21:13:35 ansii esc would be nice Jul 01 21:14:33 AD 0xC0FFE, DEADBEEF Jul 01 21:16:08 * Nadley really like the n900 but he have to learn how to use it :d Jul 01 21:16:31 Nadley: that actually takes a while Jul 01 21:16:40 DocScrutinizer: DECEA5ED? Jul 01 21:17:15 like it does with any powerful complex tool Jul 01 21:17:20 I know DocScrutinizer Jul 01 21:17:23 meh, it's easy Jul 01 21:18:11 remember to try out the multi-phasic scanner array Jul 01 21:19:06 kerio: I still fail on holding the device - while typing - in a way it doesn't bork the wonky 3G Jul 01 21:19:11 ad0be befe11 0dd abba EA5E b100ded f100d Jul 01 21:19:28 move to a place where's there's actual coverage Jul 01 21:19:40 hmm, best site to check my connection speed? Jul 01 21:19:46 kerio: yes, you are awesome. now go sell that ego on ebay and move on. Jul 01 21:20:13 crashanddie: i think it's against ebay policies Jul 01 21:21:44 true, harmful substances are banned Jul 01 21:22:12 hmm, my netbeans-6.0 maemo port generates a /home/user/.netbeans config cache directory of over 10mb :S Jul 01 21:23:44 kerio: maybe http://s2.testmy.net/tools/test/u_load.php?ni=1&tt=1&s=97&st=st&ta=&top=&align=center& Jul 01 21:36:27 kerio: what apps are the most usefull for n900 I know it depends of each user but there is more use than other Jul 01 21:36:39 Nadley: i got this yesterday Jul 01 21:37:08 kerio: you got what Jul 01 21:37:14 my n900 Jul 01 21:37:23 oh like me :d Jul 01 21:37:30 i think you're better off asking someone who's been using it for more than a day Jul 01 21:37:55 ok but you as new user what do you use Jul 01 21:38:35 install adblock plus (not from application manager, there's a guide somewhere with a version that works) Jul 01 21:38:41 then... extended chat protocols Jul 01 21:38:49 then... dunno Jul 01 21:38:56 just look at the list on application manager Jul 01 21:39:09 dunno ? Jul 01 21:39:19 don't know Jul 01 21:39:42 ok Jul 01 21:40:08 you tried pidgin ? Jul 01 21:40:28 so far the builtin one is working fine Jul 01 21:40:46 ok Jul 01 21:41:03 download the contact merger Jul 01 21:41:07 tweakr, sketch, notes, evince, alarmed, anglemeter, fahrplan, foreca, HP calculator, htop, irreco, location test, midnight commander, mirror, numpty physics, petrovich, recorder, tuner, wifiInfo, xchat Jul 01 21:41:08 otherwise it's a pain Jul 01 21:41:26 Nadley: ^^^ Jul 01 21:41:28 DocScrutinizer: i have qtirreco, is the gtk version better? Jul 01 21:41:34 dunno Jul 01 21:41:49 probably they are quite identical Jul 01 21:41:50 DocScrutinizer which the best between cmdline widget and beacon ? Jul 01 21:41:53 Nadley: gcc, rsync, ssh Jul 01 21:42:18 Nadley: dunno, never used queenbee Jul 01 21:42:38 ok Jul 01 21:42:43 More seriously - cuteexplorer Jul 01 21:42:53 tweakr is for what ? Jul 01 21:43:10 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 01 21:43:14 it's for tweaking lots of stuff, plus profiles Jul 01 21:43:18 * SpeedEvil proposes the death penalty for anyone pointlessly using random 'q's in places they wouldn't normally go, or cute, or qt in package names. Jul 01 21:44:07 or i*, or liq Jul 01 21:44:35 ot touch!!! Jul 01 21:44:46 or* Jul 01 21:45:28 SpeedEvil++ Jul 01 21:46:23 SpeedEvil: can cutexplorer actually *do* something? Jul 01 21:47:28 yes Jul 01 21:47:56 explore the fs, delete/move files, and play media files on click Jul 01 21:48:46 SpeedEvil: BT? Jul 01 21:48:54 ? Jul 01 21:48:59 bt-obex? Jul 01 21:49:02 oh - no - I don't think that Jul 01 21:49:12 I've not got another bt-obex capable device. Jul 01 21:49:28 (well - I think technically, I could beat my laptop into doing it - but meh.) Jul 01 21:49:44 (or indeed my neo1973) Jul 01 21:50:47 cuteExplorer: "... Send files via bluetooth" Jul 01 21:51:03 oh Jul 01 21:51:09 I've never seen that Jul 01 21:51:24 (from HAM descr) Jul 01 21:51:47 well, now it's intalled Jul 01 21:53:57 you can Jul 01 21:54:00 "send file" Jul 01 21:54:30 Nadley: Load Applet(!! mandatory); simple brightness applet, torch Jul 01 21:57:11 DocScrutinizer load applet ? what is his purpose ? I install the apps to categorise the menu but I don't know how to configure it you know it Jul 01 21:57:48 its useless - you can not config Jul 01 21:58:47 loadapplet makes you aware of hidden cpu hogs Jul 01 21:59:36 ok Jul 01 21:59:58 flashlight Jul 01 22:00:21 yes I have it Jul 01 22:00:34 radio Jul 01 22:02:01 recaller, recorder Jul 01 22:02:39 DocScrutinizer so there is no way to organise the apps menu because it is a very big mess Jul 01 22:03:08 Nadley, Jul 01 22:03:14 longtap on an icon Jul 01 22:03:19 the editor will open Jul 01 22:03:23 there are projects and efforts. Heard somebody is about to write a config manager for catorize Jul 01 22:03:25 you can rearrange all you want Jul 01 22:03:31 ok Jul 01 22:03:59 damn, recaller 6.8MB :-o Jul 01 22:05:32 lcuk_afk: that's nice for tossing around icons, but doesn't give folders/categories Jul 01 22:06:42 DocScrutinizer, before there was nothing, now there is something. it might not be to everyones taste, but it works :P Jul 01 22:07:07 sure Jul 01 22:08:04 damn, what's the name of FM-radio? Jul 01 22:08:10 app Jul 01 22:08:15 pkg Jul 01 22:10:02 Nadley: cellular modem control buttons Jul 01 22:10:29 to do what Jul 01 22:10:49 switch off GSM while WLAN still active Jul 01 22:11:13 wow Jul 01 22:11:22 why are the LEDs not restricted in Ubuntu? Jul 01 22:11:39 uh? Jul 01 22:11:39 there is not applet for that ? Jul 01 22:11:40 I can get it to display a much brighter LED when echoing the standard 250 Jul 01 22:12:10 MohammadAG: there's also such a thing like current Jul 01 22:12:41 MohammadAG: alas we don't really know what's the specs of the indicator RGB-LED Jul 01 22:13:03 MohammadAG: btw 'standard' is 255 maybe Jul 01 22:13:12 root@Nokia-N900:/sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator# echo 150 > brightness <-- LOL this didn't go well Jul 01 22:13:25 why? Jul 01 22:13:33 it sounded wrong Jul 01 22:13:43 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Jul 01 22:14:09 should've done it when the vibra was broken Jul 01 22:15:34 PLEASE could anybody tell me exact name of FM-receiver app? I fear my firmware is for a region with legal issues -> can't find FM-radio Jul 01 22:16:07 MohammadAG: yeah, you should listen to me more often Jul 01 22:16:57 <_0x471> DocScrutinizer, do you mean in the app manager? or from apt-get? Jul 01 22:16:57 'fmradio Jul 01 22:17:02 <_0x471> well, yeah Jul 01 22:17:04 <_0x471> :P Jul 01 22:17:14 ii fmradio 2010.03.20 Turn the N900 into a FM radio Jul 01 22:17:18 says dpkg -l Jul 01 22:17:45 Also - I don't think any regions have an issue with the reciever. Jul 01 22:17:53 DocScrutinizer, it's not part of maemo Jul 01 22:17:58 I could be wrong of course. Jul 01 22:18:02 hmm Jul 01 22:18:04 It's happened before. Jul 01 22:18:07 installed hal-addon-bme Jul 01 22:18:10 1984 I think it was. Jul 01 22:18:11 no fmradio :-/ Jul 01 22:18:14 hald-addon-bme* Jul 01 22:18:22 it reports the battery as 0 on ubuntu Jul 01 22:19:11 bme is the actual part that reads the battery I think Jul 01 22:19:18 <_0x471> DocScrutinizer: get it here http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmradio/ Jul 01 22:19:20 yup Jul 01 22:19:21 when you kill bme - the battery indicator goes red Jul 01 22:19:29 <_0x471> wget it Jul 01 22:19:32 <_0x471> nn Jul 01 22:20:01 SpeedEvil: huh? Jul 01 22:20:09 SpeedEvil, so I need bme installed? Jul 01 22:20:16 yes Jul 01 22:20:18 it's not a dependency Jul 01 22:20:24 _0x471: thanks Jul 01 22:20:25 ugh, who packages this shit Jul 01 22:20:26 hmm Jul 01 22:20:33 they need a kick in the arse Jul 01 22:20:33 <_0x471> np Jul 01 22:21:05 MohammadAG: As far as I understand it - hald-addon-bme does nothing without bme - it's a stub that interprets bme for hal. I may be wrong. Jul 01 22:21:25 SpeedEvil, I guess you're right, but it's stupid to see that it doesn't depend on it Jul 01 22:21:28 MohammadAG: I may be being confused though - you're talking of a non maemo platform? Jul 01 22:21:32 SpeedEvil, bme handles charging too right? Jul 01 22:21:33 * b-man wonders why bme is not a dependency :/ Jul 01 22:21:39 yes Jul 01 22:21:40 MohammadAG: yes Jul 01 22:22:33 MohammadAG: you've been living under a stone? Jul 01 22:22:52 DocScrutinizer, no, just checking Jul 01 22:23:02 * b-man is kinda shocked xD Jul 01 22:23:27 DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Ubuntu Jul 01 22:24:59 * DocScrutinizer sighs on taxes and royalties madness Jul 01 22:26:01 Nokia doesn't ship fm-radio,not even in any repo, because if they did they had to pay insane taxes for the "radio" in several countries Jul 01 22:26:31 DocScrutinizer, running the binary of bme is enough right? Jul 01 22:26:41 ah Jul 01 22:26:41 what else? Jul 01 22:26:56 * MohammadAG unpacks the deb for bme Jul 01 22:27:14 I'm fairly sure I just installed fmradio from extras Jul 01 22:27:21 DocScrutinizer: my N900 had the radio on it... Jul 01 22:27:30 or I installed it, not sure which Jul 01 22:27:34 MohammadAG: duh! if you're putting right Q then get good A: there's a lib I guess Jul 01 22:27:37 but in either case, Nokia distributed it to me :) Jul 01 22:27:56 DocScrutinizer, it's in extras http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmradio/ Jul 01 22:28:06 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/fmradio/2010.03.20/ Jul 01 22:28:12 MohammadAG: you may not even have to do that - you can just re-download the closed packages from within maemo with "apt-get -d install -reinstall bme-RX51" Jul 01 22:28:18 so why doesn't it show up for me here in HAM? Jul 01 22:28:27 b-man, I already downloaded it lol Jul 01 22:28:34 b-man, how else did I get hald-addon-bme Jul 01 22:28:35 ohhh lol Jul 01 22:29:04 installing ubuntu-desktop Jul 01 22:29:10 DocScrutinizer: you've got extras enabled? Jul 01 22:29:12 :) Jul 01 22:29:29 good night bye Jul 01 22:29:46 b-man, oh and I'm using x11vnc to go around the UI till I get the ts fixed Jul 01 22:30:01 b-man, ts_calibrate should work, but it says ts_open: no such file or directory Jul 01 22:30:09 hmm Jul 01 22:30:23 does ts_open exist? Jul 01 22:30:26 no Jul 01 22:30:27 lol Jul 01 22:30:27 maemo.org; http://repository.maemo.org/extras/; fremantle-1.2; free non-free Jul 01 22:30:47 SpeedEvil: ^^^ Jul 01 22:30:48 MohammadAG: you may need to rebuild the package providing it :S Jul 01 22:31:04 ? Jul 01 22:31:09 oh Jul 01 22:31:45 MohammadAG: ^^^ extras Jul 01 22:32:02 maybe you typo'd fmradio? :p Jul 01 22:32:10 haha Jul 01 22:32:20 MohammadAG: just do a "package internals" search on packages.ubuntu.com Jul 01 22:32:33 I scrolled thru "All" like a fool Jul 01 22:33:09 DocScrutinizer, use apt-get you noob Jul 01 22:33:14 LOL Jul 01 22:33:29 ~trout MohammadAG Jul 01 22:33:30 * infobot slaps MohammadAG around a bit with a large trout! Jul 01 22:33:40 ~stab infobot Jul 01 22:33:41 * infobot runs at infobot with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. Jul 01 22:33:42 MohammadAG: ironically a couple of hours ago you said he's a pro xD Jul 01 22:33:56 * luke-jr slams a 10lb box of (printed) UNIX man pages on MohammadAG's head. Jul 01 22:33:56 b-man, n00bs can be pros at being noobs Jul 01 22:34:01 LOOL Jul 01 22:34:22 MohammadAG: you gangsta, you ruined apt! Jul 01 22:34:24 luke-jr: xDD Jul 01 22:34:36 so HAM doesn't show fmradio now Jul 01 22:34:36 * MohammadAG throws an ACME anvil at luke-jr Jul 01 22:34:38 DocScrutinizer: I think he's dead. Jul 01 22:34:46 MohammadAG: pfft, as if ACME can outdo UNIX Jul 01 22:35:03 * b-man drops a 1000 megaton bomb on the channel Jul 01 22:35:14 ... boom Jul 01 22:35:43 * MohammadAG lols at someone calling python pythom Jul 01 22:35:47 could be a typo though Jul 01 22:35:54 damn, could somebody proofread my extras settings above, please Jul 01 22:36:10 maemo.org; http://repository.maemo.org/extras/; fremantle-1.2; free non-free Jul 01 22:36:11 pithon Jul 01 22:36:12 typo, meh Jul 01 22:36:26 * luke-jr glares at DocScrutinizer Jul 01 22:36:35 DocScrutinizer, looks k to me Jul 01 22:37:00 Nokia-N900-02-8:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# grep ext * Jul 01 22:37:00 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.2 free non-free Jul 01 22:37:03 freakin fsckng HAM Jul 01 22:37:29 b-man is a ham Jul 01 22:37:34 DocScrutinizer, type FM Jul 01 22:37:41 I think it uses a pretty name Jul 01 22:37:51 or should I say "pretty" name Jul 01 22:38:00 MohammadAG: I'm NOT a NOOB Jul 01 22:38:23 LOL Jul 01 22:38:30 * [DocScrutinizer] (~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg): joerg Jul 01 22:38:35 http://b-man.xceleo.org/SANY1481.JPG random picture Jul 01 22:39:00 I know DocScrutinizer, it says engineer right there ^ Jul 01 22:39:25 * SpeedEvil is constantly in a zen state of n00bness. Jul 01 22:39:29 b-man, do you always pose next to traffic lights? Jul 01 22:39:40 LOLOL Jul 01 22:39:47 fMMS, fMSX, FMTX faker, mediabox-fmradio, simple FMTX..., sleeper, webradio... Jul 01 22:40:06 maybe you have it installed? Jul 01 22:40:17 and you accidentally corrupted the .desktop file Jul 01 22:40:19 lol Jul 01 22:40:23 MohammadAG: you called that a captain shot earlier lol Jul 01 22:40:31 ok guys how exactly can I package a lib? I was following the 'packaging' tutorial at maemo wiki but it is creating the deb files without the lib... oO' Jul 01 22:40:51 nope, not installed Jul 01 22:41:13 ohh, .desktop. mompls Jul 01 22:41:17 during the process it creates a tmp folder that probably contains the useful things but I'm not sure if I can just copy the files and paste on the device at the right paths. Jul 01 22:41:57 nope, no fm radio in HAM deinstall either Jul 01 22:42:26 is deinstall the new uninstall? Jul 01 22:42:46 I have a cloudy idea of my CAL settings forbidding FM radio for me Jul 01 22:43:03 FM radio isn't banned in any countries afaik Jul 01 22:43:08 on the N900 at least Jul 01 22:43:10 FMTX, yes Jul 01 22:43:41 afaik there was FM radio in HAM Jul 01 22:43:53 anyone knows why ovi store doesn't let me download my zen bound? i've payed it and all Jul 01 22:43:54 and naged with an update twice a week Jul 01 22:44:10 it just does nothing with the download link Jul 01 22:44:26 click the title bar and select Downloads Jul 01 22:44:27 so other better explanations please, why I can't install FM radio via HAM Jul 01 22:44:48 no idea, but debs can't precheck for stuff in cal Jul 01 22:45:08 DocScrutinizer, dpkg -i this http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle/free/f/fmradio/fmradio_2010.03.20_armel.deb and apt-get -f install to fetch dependencies Jul 01 22:47:28 wtf Jul 01 22:47:37 the radio app does some kind of text interpreting? Jul 01 22:47:40 will do now, as this is a fernengi shit I'm not really interested in for now (why HAM goes nuts here) Jul 01 22:48:02 luke-jr: huh? Jul 01 22:48:07 luke-jr: the rds thing Jul 01 22:48:10 luke-jr: yeah Jul 01 22:48:17 never knew it was in the air Jul 01 22:48:18 luke-jr: htough not alternate frequencies Jul 01 22:48:23 sure it deals with staion names via RDS and whatnot Jul 01 22:48:24 both the FMTX and RX handle RDS Jul 01 22:49:05 if only the TX was a bit stronger, I could get in a taxi and freak out the driver by sending "DIE" textx Jul 01 22:49:08 texts* Jul 01 22:49:37 lol Jul 01 22:50:01 does xchat have any dcc problems? Jul 01 22:50:08 works well for me Jul 01 22:50:11 inbound that is Jul 01 22:50:13 see fmtx_client to see how to use it Jul 01 22:50:15 DCC is crap :p Jul 01 22:50:16 mines crashed twice Jul 01 22:50:19 outbound, you need to punch a hole in your NAT Jul 01 22:50:31 And it's never going to work on cellphone Jul 01 22:50:39 yeah im trying to recieve something Jul 01 22:50:40 (HAM, on opening the FMradio.deb, when clicking it in microb): missing program pkgs: n900-fmrx-enabler (>=1.5) Jul 01 22:51:07 use dpkg! Jul 01 22:51:20 yeah, I'll do that, MohammadAG Jul 01 22:51:23 :) Jul 01 22:51:31 I'll do that... later Jul 01 22:51:37 hmm Jul 01 22:51:47 n900-fmrx-enabler is in Repository: Jul 01 22:51:47 Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel Jul 01 22:51:54 do you have that enabled? Jul 01 22:52:05 LOL, never heard of Jul 01 22:52:37 http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/ Jul 01 22:52:52 SpeedEvil: so i need to setup any settings? like ips or anything to recieve Jul 01 22:52:56 maybe Jul 01 22:53:31 mc_teo: No. Inbound DCC is sumple Jul 01 22:53:45 mc_teo: You get a note from the server that you need to connect to IP on port XX Jul 01 22:53:50 SpeedEvil, the sender has to "punch a hole" though Jul 01 22:53:52 And then you just connect out Jul 01 22:53:54 yes Jul 01 22:54:10 MohammadAG: why could this repo need a manual config and enabling for me? Jul 01 22:54:22 DocScrutinizer, it shouldn't, I thought you disabled it Jul 01 22:54:28 DocScrutinizer, it comes preenabled Jul 01 22:55:46 SpeedEvil: i think it crashed because i tried saving the default location, which was / for me Jul 01 22:56:10 maybe Jul 01 22:56:17 don't use dcc Jul 01 22:56:22 just use http://dl.free.fr Jul 01 22:56:25 I've reieved a couple of hundred megs of stuff with dcc Jul 01 22:56:27 works well Jul 01 22:56:33 I got Nokia Apps (https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ) and software updates ( .../ssu/mr0 ) Jul 01 22:56:55 then you should have no problems installing it :x Jul 01 22:57:01 DocScrutinizer, did you fix apt? Jul 01 22:57:08 no Jul 01 22:57:13 apt-get -f install Jul 01 22:57:18 having broken deps is wrong :p Jul 01 22:57:20 this is a *clean* fresh system Jul 01 22:57:30 oh Jul 01 22:57:44 that's why I really feel pissed FM radio isn't there Jul 01 22:58:13 I added 3(?) repos, that's all Jul 01 22:58:46 what does apt-get install fmradio show? Jul 01 23:01:37 damn my N900 is hot Jul 01 23:01:57 Mine too. Jul 01 23:02:02 Video streaming makes it warm. Jul 01 23:02:06 Installing 224 packages here Jul 01 23:03:58 hello everyone. need some help, please. I got an N900 device. I've changed one system file (/sbin/mce) and now the device continues to reboot. I was able to make "flasher-3.5 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset", so my phone now tries to boot, but freezes on 5 points. So i have found a way to boot Meego kernel and initrd via flasher-3.5. But there's an issue - I have not time to do anything - it just reboots itself in about a minute or less. How can I ma Jul 01 23:03:58 k e it work longer? Pls, it's really important for me, because today I have very interesting information earned and written it into calendar. No sync was since then. Pls-plz Jul 01 23:05:18 mc-scrat: this is 1.2? Jul 01 23:05:28 yes Jul 01 23:05:50 As I understand it, flashing only the root filesystem should work and not touch the data at all. Jul 01 23:06:02 mce is on / Jul 01 23:06:07 hm. btw I forgot it!! Jul 01 23:06:17 thx for idea! Jul 01 23:06:39 but the question is still actual =) Jul 01 23:06:48 Also - 'backup' before doing stuff Jul 01 23:07:21 and have some emergency fix (ssh at boot up, other OS to fix the file etc...) Jul 01 23:07:56 actually i've done it twice before - but in instruction is written "stop mce, then replace file, then start mce". I've forgotten to firstly stop it =) Jul 01 23:09:07 it's rly a cool thing, but i had no time to install another os, to be honest. but I will of cource! Jul 01 23:09:08 * DocScrutinizer shakes head on messing with /sbin/mce Jul 01 23:09:08 shouldn't actually matter Jul 01 23:11:10 hm. I think so, but that's the sequence: replaced (from /home/user/MyDocs folder (maybe wrong permissions is the reason??)), stopped, started, rebooted, rebooted,rebooted... Jul 01 23:11:45 Why are you replacing mce at all? Jul 01 23:12:14 WHAT did you replace? for what reason? /etc/mce/mce.cfg or /sbin/mce ?? Jul 01 23:12:39 s/cfg/ini Jul 01 23:12:42 where are these instrucitons/ Jul 01 23:13:11 MohammadAG: 3 times edited it, then thought WTF whocares Jul 01 23:13:36 <-- apparently he does Jul 01 23:13:57 hmm, you bviously knew what I meant Jul 01 23:14:15 could have put it like /etc/mce/mce* Jul 01 23:14:34 as there's just one file in there Jul 01 23:15:19 why maemo's kernel loads an ethernet module? Jul 01 23:15:23 hmm, mc-scrat seems has managed to detonate his LiIon cell Jul 01 23:15:45 e-yes: fo rWLAN? Jul 01 23:16:00 or PC suite mode? Jul 01 23:16:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57042 - the tread about in. In /etc/mce.conf there's no way to disable lock-switch. So it's the hack to replace 1 letter in a binary mce to make lock-switch unusable. Nad: there's a copy of an original mce in /sbin/mce~ of cource! Jul 01 23:17:30 I'm sure you can redefine the HAL keys Jul 01 23:17:39 you can do it for the camera so it doesn't launch Jul 01 23:19:13 hm. I didn't thougth about it - searching the forum gave me solution. But there's the result =)) Jul 01 23:19:28 ... Jul 01 23:19:38 hi... I'm trying to connect my N900 to a protected wifi network, but the device tries to do a setup process. Why am I not just asked for the password? Is there a way to solve this? I do not have access to the router, so I cannot press any buttons on that, as the N900 asks me to do... Jul 01 23:19:45 why doesnt media player support .avi? Jul 01 23:20:00 mc_teo: AVI is not a file format Jul 01 23:20:05 mc_teo: it's a container Jul 01 23:20:20 for? Jul 01 23:20:31 mc_teo: There can be one of any of several dozen codecs inside it - some of which are supported, som eof which aren't Jul 01 23:20:42 and how can i open this container Jul 01 23:20:49 or convert it Jul 01 23:21:09 There are conversion FAQs on the wiki - I have not investigated this area Jul 01 23:21:13 mc_teo, you might need to convert using for instance the Media Conveter for the N770 / N800 Jul 01 23:21:31 or iriverter Jul 01 23:22:53 and afaik its .mpg within Jul 01 23:24:37 anyone knows about protected wifi and the N900? Jul 01 23:25:19 cant you press cancel or something to drop to passphrase prompt Jul 01 23:25:40 no cancel that I can find....sorry Jul 01 23:26:16 and if the router is configged to make you setup, then it shouldnt be able to bypass it Jul 01 23:26:59 DocScrutinizer, smc91 (and mii) Jul 01 23:27:06 the whole point of it is to make sure the user has physical access to the router Jul 01 23:27:18 and isnt wardriving Jul 01 23:27:48 mc_teo, well... feels a bit strange that my laptop connects without any problems, without physical accesss... Jul 01 23:28:31 hi, i want to access my shared folders in windows to copy them to the phone Jul 01 23:28:38 by wifi Jul 01 23:29:35 hume: well it probably has it saved Jul 01 23:29:36 whats the simplest way? Jul 01 23:29:55 no, first time ever on this network yesterday Jul 01 23:32:27 MUHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA Jul 01 23:32:35 UKW-Radio Jul 01 23:33:42 isn't localization a mega brilliant thing :-S Jul 01 23:35:21 my problem is that I would need to download maps to mappero over the wifi - since I do not have any 3G network where I am. Is there a way to do that via my laptop, that can access the wifi network? Any suggestions? Jul 01 23:35:37 now that rocks... @³½§$##*&%!! Jul 01 23:37:37 DocScrutinizer: ukw-radio? Jul 01 23:37:56 YES! nice, isn't it? Jul 01 23:38:14 ? Jul 01 23:38:16 where's LANG=C for HAM? Jul 01 23:38:53 How hard woudl it be to make an app/plug to add something to share photo via service , directly to my ftp/scp server? Jul 01 23:39:42 pronto: I think I've seen config files for such things long time ago Jul 01 23:40:18 really? i've looked around, never came across anything , right now i'm using pixelpipe as a middle-man of sorts Jul 01 23:40:36 picasa also Jul 01 23:40:36 if it's really that simple, then you only need to grep for a typical string (http://share.facebook.foo ?) and copy&edit Jul 01 23:41:01 pronto: Well - there is the alterantive. Jul 01 23:41:07 grsync? Jul 01 23:41:09 pronto: It's just a cloudy memory Jul 01 23:41:21 maybe I'm wrong Jul 01 23:41:54 i just want something so i can select multiple photos(as i do now) and share via serivce, so i can edit the title feild, then upload them Jul 01 23:42:58 I think I know what you want Jul 01 23:44:19 * SpeedEvil wonders why his 2g/3g switcher sometimes dissapears Jul 01 23:44:39 oh Jul 01 23:44:58 hehe funny, was just about to install it Jul 01 23:45:21 If there are >8, it won't show Jul 01 23:46:26 * SpeedEvil wonders if there is a way to set which show. Jul 01 23:46:34 now that's BAD(tm) Jul 01 23:47:00 portrait mode ;-P Jul 01 23:47:12 no - the screen is not full Jul 01 23:47:19 broken as designed? Jul 01 23:49:14 * SpeedEvil wonders why his 2g/3g switcher sometimes dissapears Jul 01 23:49:31 apmefo o.O Jul 01 23:49:36 hildon-status-menu crashes for some reason, when it does that many times, it loads the stock widget Jul 01 23:49:39 (s) Jul 01 23:49:47 MohammadAG: no Jul 01 23:49:51 MohammadAG: it's not that Jul 01 23:50:13 MohammadAG: If I plug USB in phone mode. Jul 01 23:50:23 MohammadAG: then I get that, and one dissapears Jul 01 23:51:02 DocScrutinizer: any idea where those config files would be? Jul 01 23:51:05 automate the process of creating folders in app menu Jul 01 23:51:18 pronto: not at all, sorry Jul 01 23:52:34 I was wondering about doing that with apmefo to jam top 50 qa queue into a 'testing' folder Jul 01 23:54:50 I hope someone could give me some info about Negri Electronics Jul 01 23:55:07 I wonder how the fuck they did get a hold of the presumable Nokia N9? Jul 01 23:55:41 .config/menus/submenus/ .local/share/applications/hildon/ Jul 01 23:55:41 - where the submenus are Jul 01 23:57:01 But luckily it is nothing close to the capability of the N900 :) Jul 02 00:00:52 holy crap Jul 02 00:01:33 It's OK, you're on the cool side. Jul 02 00:02:21 how do we know they aern't the cool side? Jul 02 00:02:43 after all they just luke-jr... Jul 02 00:02:47 got Jul 02 00:03:38 Guys Jul 02 00:03:43 I am here, that makes us the cool side Jul 02 00:04:51 Well, sleepy time Jul 02 00:04:54 Talk to you guys later Jul 02 00:05:20 lol SpeedEvil Jul 02 00:08:45 oh, world war III started? Jul 02 00:09:14 yeah. Jul 02 00:09:24 China launched a preemptive strike on the vatican. Jul 02 00:09:51 how do I find out what my ts is in /dev // /sys Jul 02 00:10:10 root@Nokia-N900:/sys/class/input# TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/sys/class/input/input3 TSLIB_CONFFILE=/etc/ts.conf ts_calibrate Jul 02 00:10:10 xres = 800, yres = 480 Jul 02 00:10:10 selected device is not a touchscreen I understand Jul 02 00:12:03 WELCOME BACK Jul 02 00:20:15 pronto: sorry? Jul 02 00:20:25 huh? Jul 02 00:22:11 pronto: please don't shout useless material in the channel, thanks Jul 02 00:22:42 FMRadio is a CPU hog Jul 02 00:22:49 crashanddie: want to see one of the recent gimp bug reports? It is relevant int Jul 02 00:22:53 o_o no need to be such a stuck up person :| Jul 02 00:22:54 in this context. Jul 02 00:22:55 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=623264 Jul 02 00:22:57 Bug 623264: was not found. Jul 02 00:23:39 nomis: not really, but whatever floats your boat I guess Jul 02 00:23:57 Err... Jul 02 00:24:01 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/speedo/0.1-13/ Jul 02 00:24:15 luke-jr: yes - if it sticks to the API, it has to Jul 02 00:24:30 Err - the above - how come someone thumbed it twice Jul 02 00:35:42 Stskeeps, ping? Jul 02 00:39:13 is the meego usx out Jul 02 00:39:16 ux* Jul 02 00:39:34 #MeeGo Jul 02 00:39:43 meego for handsets, yes, we were toying with it last night Jul 02 00:50:16 skynets, ripped off of iOS and webOS. Jul 02 00:50:30 With none of the UI paradigms from Maemo 5. Jul 02 00:50:37 nitdroid looks promising Jul 02 00:50:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U46e_VYANWs Jul 02 00:51:10 maemo is dead :P Jul 02 00:51:34 of course, no one says we have to stick with the default UX Jul 02 00:51:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwOnQxIQKQk Jul 02 00:51:57 wow Jul 02 00:57:54 I wonder how ubuntu would show gparted on the N900 Jul 02 01:03:30 heh, it doesn't start Jul 02 01:03:52 microlith, that sounds painful. Jul 02 01:04:52 do I have access through fakeroot to move files from other folders to folders like /usr/lib on n810? Jul 02 01:06:54 GAN900: possibly. Jul 02 01:12:25 ~ping MohammadAG Jul 02 01:12:26 pong MohammadAG Jul 02 01:13:07 hi all Jul 02 01:13:43 hey yall, what sip providers do you use? Jul 02 01:13:51 could someone please explain me this error when I run: "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S" inside my sources directory ---> dpkg-source: error: control file must have at least one binary package part ? Jul 02 01:14:43 No Package: line Jul 02 01:14:59 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: voip.ms and callcentric Jul 02 01:16:04 MohammadAG: are you repling to me? Jul 02 01:18:13 Andy80, yes Jul 02 01:18:43 MohammadAG: then I didn't understand your reply :P could it help you if I paste somewhere my control file? Jul 02 01:18:49 sure Jul 02 01:18:51 pastebin.com Jul 02 01:19:42 MohammadAG: http://pastebin.com/9Bz3LbqN Jul 02 01:20:10 MohammadAG: please note that I'm trying to take example from this project structure: http://github.com/rburchell/rotatedaemon Jul 02 01:20:39 MohammadAG: it's a Maemo project written in C++/Qt4 (I can generate the source deb using this, without problem) Jul 02 01:20:45 hmm Jul 02 01:21:11 add a break (empty line) after line 6 Standards-Version: 3.7.3 Jul 02 01:21:21 hmm wouldn't normally there's a blank line before Package:? Jul 02 01:21:31 yes Jul 02 01:21:51 MohammadAG: no errors now O_o wtf of syntax is :D ? Jul 02 01:22:00 you beat me :) Jul 02 01:22:22 Source lines, line break, Package lines :) Jul 02 01:22:59 ok, let's continue :) Jul 02 01:41:07 MohammadAG: I've another kind of problem now... not related to packaging. I can compile my project in Nokia SDK without errors, but I get error trying to compile it under Scratchbox. I get these error: http://pastebin.com/Fkp8aRKg Jul 02 01:41:52 Andy80, do you have the required deps installed? Jul 02 01:41:59 deps = dependencies Jul 02 01:42:27 MohammadAG: I suppose they're libqtm-dev and libqtm-multimedia Jul 02 01:42:34 MohammadAG: but... how can I know? Jul 02 01:42:37 libt4-dev Jul 02 01:42:42 umm Jul 02 01:42:43 dpkg -l Jul 02 01:42:54 yello Jul 02 01:47:08 MohammadAG: dpkg -l shows me all packages... I need to know the dependencies of my application Jul 02 01:47:35 as a dev, you'll need to know what you used I guess... Jul 02 01:52:08 MohammadAG: but.... it compiles under NokiaSDK :\ uff Jul 02 01:52:28 okok... I'm tired -.- Jul 02 01:52:36 cannot understand anything now Jul 02 01:53:35 not sure how the Nokia SDK works Jul 02 01:53:43 try libqt4-dev and libqtm-dev Jul 02 01:55:27 MohammadAG: both installed :P the funny thing is the on Autobuilder server it compiles https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/msoma_0.1.2/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt (even if it FAILS, but for other reasons) Jul 02 01:57:45 Andy80, it's trying to use libqt4-maemo5- packages, check the makefile Jul 02 02:01:02 MohammadAG: libqt4-maemo5-* are obsolete now, right? Jul 02 02:01:40 yes Jul 02 02:02:20 MohammadAG: the problem is that, even running apt-get update, scratchbox still doesn't have new packages... Jul 02 02:02:41 what new packages? Jul 02 02:02:50 libqt4- is what you should use Jul 02 02:02:57 libqt4-maemo5- were taken down Jul 02 02:03:35 MohammadAG: my Scratchbox repositories don't contain any libqt4-* they ONLY contain libqt4-maemo5-* understand now? Jul 02 02:04:23 how are you checking? Jul 02 02:05:13 MohammadAG: apt-cache search libqt* Jul 02 02:05:24 that shows installed packages too Jul 02 02:05:47 OMG! I can't belive... --> [fremantle]: msoma 0.1.2 OK ^__^ Jul 02 02:05:52 lol Jul 02 02:06:28 http://maemo.org/packages/view/msoma/ Jul 02 02:06:35 so... Autobuilder can build it Jul 02 02:06:39 Scratchbox not O_o Jul 02 02:06:46 ok... I'm enough satisfied :) Jul 02 02:06:54 I'll fix Scratchbox tomorrow ;) Jul 02 02:08:48 p.s: if you want to test this application you have to manually run: run-standalone.sh /usr/local/bin/msoma Jul 02 02:08:53 I'll fix this too ofc Jul 02 02:08:56 good night :) Jul 02 02:09:12 night Andy80 Jul 02 02:10:06 and thanks :) Jul 02 02:17:09 so does anyone know why the dpkg-buildpackage creates useless packages? :p Jul 02 02:41:51 * GAN900 will retire when he hits 5,000 Thanks. Jul 02 02:44:39 SpeedEvil: why? it's hogging so much CPU that it's choppy Jul 02 02:44:51 if I do anything other than radio, anyway Jul 02 02:44:58 (like turning on the display...) Jul 02 02:45:26 luke-jr: It reads and writes the audio stream Jul 02 02:45:38 that shouldn't use practically any CPU time Jul 02 02:45:41 That is as I understand it, the approved way to do it with the API Jul 02 02:46:03 It also imposes a 10ms latency requirement I think Jul 02 02:46:25 I have 1/2 of a proof of concept direct radio app that uses 'no' CPU Jul 02 02:46:59 not to mention it sometimes falls over. Jul 02 02:47:03 I've been using it lots Jul 02 02:47:20 define approved Jul 02 02:47:26 who's going to complain about a better way? Jul 02 02:47:45 The documented manner that is used without screwing with the mixers not through the API Jul 02 02:48:03 I only had a brief glance at the API though Jul 02 02:48:13 And you can only do this through the phones Jul 02 02:48:26 the speakers 'require' the eq **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 02 02:59:57 2010