**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 02 02:59:58 2010 Jul 02 03:58:44 mornin' Jul 02 04:00:21 Hi Jul 02 04:00:30 Is microb the default web browser? Jul 02 04:00:34 hi pyther Jul 02 04:00:45 and yes, it is Jul 02 04:00:54 you're asking about the N900 I assume? Jul 02 04:01:02 yes Jul 02 04:04:48 yawn. Jul 02 04:05:02 moorning johnx Jul 02 04:05:12 hey RST38h Jul 02 04:05:17 how's the weather? Jul 02 04:07:28 cloudless, hot, smells of smoke Jul 02 04:07:45 yippy firefox mobile actually displays my webmail correctly! Jul 02 04:08:10 what kind of smoke? Jul 02 04:08:16 pyther: what's wrong with your webmail? Jul 02 04:08:32 delicious bbq smoke? campfire smoke? illegal drugs smoke? Jul 02 04:08:53 luke-jr, the problem appears to be that it displays correctly in firefox mobile ... Jul 02 04:09:10 johnx: anything that requires a specific browser is broken Jul 02 04:09:33 johnx: don't get him started Jul 02 04:09:39 luke-jr: well in microb it won't show the message I have a dual layout deal (messages in the top, and a specific email in the bottom) Jul 02 04:09:58 pyther: SquirrelMail tends to be sane IIRC Jul 02 04:10:07 johnx: Who knows... Probably a fire somewhere in the downtown Jul 02 04:10:14 luke-jr: it works fine in opera, firefox, webkit, etc... Jul 02 04:10:25 err, pyther: don't get him started Jul 02 04:10:25 oh, blame timeless then Jul 02 04:10:40 luke-jr, wake me up when squirrelmail comes with a caldav client Jul 02 04:11:08 johnx: or the peat bogs burning somewhere Jul 02 04:11:33 asj, it's possible that your webmail system is trying to do something 'clever' with the user-agent string microb passes it Jul 02 04:12:04 * luke-jr hands timeless the right to pass the blame back if he discovers that to be the case Jul 02 04:12:05 RST38h, fun times. I don't even know what peat smells like when it burns Jul 02 04:12:19 not well Jul 02 04:12:37 * johnx adds this information to his compendium of smells Jul 02 04:13:20 burning garbage dump minus the garbage smell will be the closest match Jul 02 04:13:46 wake me up when squirrelmail doesnt suck, it's not 1998 anymore Jul 02 04:14:00 * RST38h fires up PINE Jul 02 04:14:17 RST38h: you can't use mh? ;) Jul 02 04:14:19 he said 98, not 89 Jul 02 04:14:44 asj: wake me up when people stop trying to turn webpages into applications Jul 02 04:15:23 luke-jr: webpages are applications, you've lost Jul 02 04:15:30 asj: wrong Jul 02 04:15:58 * RST38h fires up LYNX Jul 02 04:16:26 luke-jr: sorry man, I don't have all day like you to waste arguing it, but gmail, google reader, google maps, etc are all examples. Time to move into this decade. Jul 02 04:16:40 asj: examples of idiocy Jul 02 04:16:55 and bad code Jul 02 04:18:00 asj, luke-jr is happy in the 90's and by gum he'll stay there if he wants. Now get off his lawn! :D Jul 02 04:18:15 johnx: you misunderstand Jul 02 04:18:19 I have no interest in the 90s Jul 02 04:18:27 I'm quite happy here in the middle ages Jul 02 04:18:38 Does anyone use Fuelpad? Any have any idea what price/gal. represents? Jul 02 04:19:03 ~3USD? Jul 02 04:19:10 luke-jr <--- against open source Jul 02 04:19:20 RST38h: liar Jul 02 04:19:41 johnx: uh, the cost per gallon of fuel? Jul 02 04:19:45 pyther* Jul 02 04:19:49 johnx: it shows "0.29" and "0.31" for my two different entries Jul 02 04:19:55 web apps, written in javascript, always come with the source code Jul 02 04:20:06 if you are against web apps, you are against open source Jul 02 04:20:16 RST38h: few webapps are purely javascript Jul 02 04:20:23 I was led to believe the middle ages weren't all that fun. Also, I heard that ISPs were kind of crap, too Jul 02 04:20:29 oh I get it Jul 02 04:20:36 I'm suppose to enter the total cost of gas Jul 02 04:20:37 RST38h: the whole point of webapps is to deny me not only the code, but also the binary Jul 02 04:20:41 * RST38h cackles evilly Jul 02 04:20:54 like $30 instead of $2.75/gallon Jul 02 04:20:56 why do you need the closed, evil binaries? Jul 02 04:21:11 pyther: your clock is set 2 years to the future Jul 02 04:21:27 actually, with html5 local db, pure js web apps might be kind of workable Jul 02 04:21:27 RST38h: I don't. But at least "closed source" usually allows the freedom to execute. Jul 02 04:21:38 webapps, you're not even free to execute, just use remotely Jul 02 04:22:00 you are free to execute web apps, remotely Jul 02 04:22:19 you probably won't want to execute them locally anyway, with huge servers required and all Jul 02 04:22:34 and if they're written in PHP with crappy input checking, you can execute whatever else you want too :) Jul 02 04:22:35 also, crap that most webapps are (especially Google's), are usually not standards compliant Jul 02 04:22:52 RST38h: huge servers wouldn't be required if they were sane, normal apps Jul 02 04:23:14 I mean, just look at GMail Jul 02 04:23:23 it has different code for every browser Google supports Jul 02 04:23:54 and generally just doesn't work if Google has no interest in your browser Jul 02 04:24:58 so, it's closed and it's too bloated and it doesn't support your platform of choice? I'd suggest not using it Jul 02 04:25:03 basically it's like forcing you to use a VNC thinclient Jul 02 04:25:15 yeah. google sure did force me to use gmail Jul 02 04:25:16 johnx: I don't use it. Jul 02 04:25:32 interesting argument, but not one has access to gmail source that's not minified, so basically, how do you know luke-jr? :) Jul 02 04:25:42 they were like, "Use our free email service or we'll keep giving you more storage over time!" Jul 02 04:25:48 asj: :) Jul 02 04:26:04 johnx: I wouldn't trust Google with my email even if it was sane Jul 02 04:26:11 ok Jul 02 04:26:28 I wouldn't use gentoo if someone paid me Jul 02 04:26:32 so I guess we're both happy Jul 02 04:26:34 nobody will Jul 02 04:26:36 :) Jul 02 04:26:53 luke-jr: if you do not use it, do not whine Jul 02 04:27:15 RST38h: this is the internet... Jul 02 04:27:15 RST38h: I whine for the common good! Jul 02 04:27:38 liar. Jul 02 04:27:48 prove it. Jul 02 04:27:56 RST38h, it's an interesting argument, though. I like the principle of arguing against something that doesn't affect you and that you have no interest in. Like goat cheese ... I don't like the taste and it doesn't come from cows. So you shouldn't eat it Jul 02 04:28:20 luke: What common good has come of your whining for the last 2-3 years? Jul 02 04:28:36 johnx: coming from cows is a good things? you know how much poop they get on their tails/legs/etc? Jul 02 04:28:45 RST38h: try 1.5 years Jul 02 04:28:54 RST38h: more awareness, hopefully Jul 02 04:28:55 RST38h, we do have someone we can hang the 'zealot' sign on Jul 02 04:29:06 johnx: Ah, not only can I argue for/against something I have no experience with, but I also do not care whether to argue pro- or con- =) Jul 02 04:29:13 * luke-jr polishes his 'zealot' sign Jul 02 04:29:52 johnx: It is transdickification of the opponent that matters, not the truth =) Jul 02 04:30:09 RST38h: I don't even know who the opponent is usually Jul 02 04:30:34 luke-jr, hate to break it to you (not really), but for the most part, the awareness you've raised is that 'open source zealots are annoying and impractical' Jul 02 04:30:45 IIRC, the nick arguing against me has change at least once in this topic, but I'm not counting or paying attention to who it is Jul 02 04:30:57 but you always know when he turns into a dick though Jul 02 04:31:14 johnx: prove open source is impractical Jul 02 04:31:24 johnx: The original description has been "enthusiastic but dull" =) Jul 02 04:33:34 I have a more fun idea Jul 02 04:33:45 rather than trying to push webapps on me, how about you come to #yandere for some fun game Jul 02 04:34:09 no chance. Jul 02 04:34:49 * RST38h heads to work Jul 02 04:35:18 fyi Jul 02 04:35:23 Yandere (ヤンデレ?) - is a Japanese term for a person who is initially very loving and gentle to someone before their devotion becomes destructive in nature, often through violence. The term is derived from the words Yan (ヤン?) meaning a mental or emotional illness and Dere (デレ?) meaning to show affection. Yandere characters are mentally unstable, often using extreme violence as an outlet for their emotions. The usage of the character type has led Jul 02 04:35:23 to criticism over the amount of violence in works such as School Days and When They Cry. Although the character type has been used in anime and manga since Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam in 1985, conscious use of the term only began to be around the turn of the millennium. A variant of the term, Yangire (ヤンギレ?) originated in Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS and is used to describe a character who is mentally ill and snaps instantly without showing Jul 02 04:35:23 affection for the victim of their outbursts.[1] Jul 02 04:35:58 lol, no way luke-jr Jul 02 04:36:07 come play Jul 02 04:39:21 the thought makes me ill Jul 02 04:43:31 luke-jr, you're twisting my words Jul 02 04:43:33 keep trying Jul 02 04:43:54 johnx: I'm following the logical conclusion of them Jul 02 04:44:36 no, you're setting up a straw man to argue against Jul 02 04:44:48 you gave it to me Jul 02 04:44:50 :p Jul 02 04:46:25 heh Jul 02 04:46:53 that's why arguing against you is so fun. it's like a game of 'spot the logical fallacy' set to easy :D Jul 02 04:46:59 SpeedEvil: re:status menu - the status menu can scroll, you know that, right? Jul 02 04:47:58 except that you made the strawman. I only set him up. Jul 02 04:50:08 uh huh Jul 02 04:50:54 hm, how can I run a c compiled program on my n810? just tried ./file and it says I don't have what it takes. Jul 02 04:50:57 Guys Jul 02 04:51:04 The psychiatric ward is thata way Jul 02 04:51:06 :P Jul 02 04:51:09 rafaelbrandao: if you compile it for your N810, yes Jul 02 04:51:38 "I don't have what it takes" Jul 02 04:51:47 it says I don't permission :P Jul 02 04:51:49 lol, I'm not sure that the exact wording the error would have used Jul 02 04:51:59 rafaelbrandao: FAT doesn't support permissions Jul 02 04:51:59 that's* Jul 02 04:52:03 chmod +x file Jul 02 04:52:34 rafaelbrandao: and yes, I am calling you(r device) fat... Jul 02 04:52:43 no he is not fat. :P Jul 02 04:55:46 ok I'm lost. how can I run that? Jul 02 04:56:10 first of all, is the file on a memory card formatted as fat16 or fat32? Jul 02 04:56:27 if not, run chmod +x file in the terminal, then try ./file again Jul 02 04:58:24 if so, move it somewhere else and do what johnx said Jul 02 04:58:35 (where 'somewhere else' is NOT fat) Jul 02 04:58:55 oh no it is fat. Jul 02 05:02:38 phat Jul 02 05:05:35 yay it worked... but what I've tried to do not. Jul 02 05:06:08 hm, so if I do that to a configure file it means I'll be able to install my lib through ./configure, make and make install? Jul 02 05:06:19 I've been trying to package it, but it is just not working. Jul 02 05:09:34 errr, are you compiling with the maemo sdk? Jul 02 05:10:01 yes ._. Jul 02 05:10:24 alright, and your trying to install a lib or a binary? Jul 02 05:11:02 s/binary/executable/ Jul 02 05:11:03 johnx meant: alright, and your trying to install a lib or a executable? Jul 02 05:11:31 a lib I suppose. Jul 02 05:11:44 ok. what are you trying to install? Jul 02 05:12:41 libfprint: http://sourceforge.net/projects/fprint/files/libfprint/v0.0.6/libfprint-0.0.6.tar.bz2 Jul 02 05:13:22 but it also requires libusb-1.0 and imagemagick :( Jul 02 05:13:40 then you need to satisfy those dependencies first Jul 02 05:13:46 I think libusb might already be there Jul 02 05:13:53 imagemagick probably isn't Jul 02 05:14:47 honestly, you'd probably be best starting with a debian source package. then when you get it built you can just install it directly on the n900 Jul 02 05:16:59 actually I think I would be cool if there was a way to install through ./configure Jul 02 05:17:20 I've got it working on scratchbox, and now I'm trying test it on the n810 Jul 02 05:17:59 alright, so what does it say now when you try to run it? Jul 02 05:18:00 i've been also trying to get the packages through this (http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging) but all I've got so far was a few useless .deb files. Jul 02 05:18:00 DocScrutinizer, ping Jul 02 05:18:12 'useless' .deb files? Jul 02 05:18:28 yup, it is not getting the libs on them. Jul 02 05:18:40 Termana: bong Jul 02 05:18:47 yeah, you'd need to track down the libs on your own Jul 02 05:18:50 DocScrutinizer, quick pm? Jul 02 05:19:00 but when I try to create it, I get a temporary folder with the libs Jul 02 05:19:24 try to create what? Jul 02 05:19:39 the packages Jul 02 05:19:44 I'm not trying to be a pedant, but you need to give a couple more details about what you're doing or no one will be able to help you Jul 02 05:19:51 ok, I'll try. :P Jul 02 05:20:07 when I do this: dpkg-buildpackage -sa -rfakeroot -k Jul 02 05:20:24 I get the useless .deb files, but a tmp folder with the useful files Jul 02 05:20:49 the deb files have the libs in them ... Jul 02 05:21:13 well, they generally do Jul 02 05:21:16 that's the whole point Jul 02 05:21:43 err, not in this case. for example, imagemagick is like more than 20mb, and the two deb files I get are less than 10kb Jul 02 05:22:10 usually that's a sign that something din't build correctly Jul 02 05:23:21 what I've just tried to do was to get all those files from the tmp folders Jul 02 05:23:40 you could probably get away with that Jul 02 05:23:41 and then manually put them on the right places in the device Jul 02 05:23:48 should i install the power kernel? Jul 02 05:26:35 when I tried to run the c compiled program, some of its errors shows it's trying to access scratchbox tools :( Jul 02 05:26:46 and of course, gcc not found. Jul 02 05:27:18 ok, tell us the exact thing you typed and the exact output Jul 02 05:27:46 I've typed: ./enroll Jul 02 05:28:10 line 136: /scratchbox/tools/bin/sed: not found Jul 02 05:28:13 (a few more times) Jul 02 05:28:23 are you sure that's a compiled c program? Jul 02 05:29:13 yes. but it doesn't seen to. Jul 02 05:30:00 would you do me a favor? from inside scratchbox, would you run: Jul 02 05:30:02 file enroll Jul 02 05:30:06 ok Jul 02 05:30:45 enroll: Bourne shell script text executable Jul 02 05:30:52 ok, so not a c program Jul 02 05:31:25 one mystery down :) Jul 02 05:31:35 wheeeeeeeeeeee PR 1.2 with almost no dataloss Jul 02 05:32:05 :P Jul 02 05:32:32 unfortunately, it didn't fix all the bugs Jul 02 05:36:44 should i overclock the n900? Jul 02 05:36:54 kerio, if you have to ask, the answer is no Jul 02 05:37:11 kerio: undervoltage instead, to save on battery Jul 02 05:37:26 SwedeMike, how about, leave it as it is Jul 02 05:37:43 well, the "ideal" does try to keep the voltage low as much as it can, doesn't it? Jul 02 05:37:44 Termana: that's what I have done, I have installed the power-settings kernel but haven't tweaked anything yet :P Jul 02 05:37:58 kerio: not according to the article I read Jul 02 05:38:18 SwedeMike, interested in that article :) Jul 02 05:39:52 http://www.meegosweden.com/alla-bloggar/sandman-bloggar/153-oeverklocka-din-n900-och-fa-baettre-batteri-pa-koepet but it's in swedish, there might be some references and you might be able to google some on the commands in there to find the original one Jul 02 05:40:34 http://maemocentral.com/2010/04/04/how-to-overclock-the-nokia-n900/ Jul 02 05:40:55 hey johnx, do you think my approach to manually put the lib files on the right folders on the device would be enough to get things working? Jul 02 05:41:04 rafaelbrandao: sure Jul 02 05:41:18 johnx - you have your trolling cap on? Jul 02 05:42:16 i put on my robe and trolling hat! Jul 02 05:42:46 btw, do we believe Nokia will release any major update after PR1.2, or is it all Meego now? Jul 02 05:42:59 they said they're not going to release a stable meego for the n900 Jul 02 05:43:05 so... who knows Jul 02 05:43:12 kerio, where did you get that? Jul 02 05:43:25 i read about it somewhere, don't remember when Jul 02 05:43:26 there will be more updates Jul 02 05:43:30 they could've changed their mind though Jul 02 05:43:32 kerio: yes, I've read that as well, so question is if development for Maemo is pretty much stopped now and only bugfixes will be released. Jul 02 05:43:35 Given the state of the meego UX ATM - it seems highly unlikely it's going to be stable and polished in the next - say - 4 months Jul 02 05:43:36 kerio, there is a stable release coming for the n900. Jul 02 05:44:10 ok, power kernel installed Jul 02 05:44:55 *cringe* Every time someone tries to overclock, the GNU gods kill a kitten. Jul 02 05:45:04 i'm not overclocking! Jul 02 05:45:07 yet Jul 02 05:45:16 Think about the kittens before you do Jul 02 05:45:18 and it's not my fault that robot unicorn attack is laggy Jul 02 05:45:21 stupid flash Jul 02 05:46:35 and hey, they're called "ideal" settings! Jul 02 05:48:40 rafaelbrandao, not without also manually modifying that (and other) scripts Jul 02 05:49:16 Termana, not really. probably just my sarcasm hat Jul 02 05:49:17 hm, I'm trying to figure out how to get the c compiled program from that. Jul 02 05:49:37 bash script doesn't change into C :) Jul 02 05:50:04 hm, oh my. x_x Jul 02 05:50:46 so I suggest you start with the debian source package, but even that might not be enough if that script relies on bash or GNU sed Jul 02 05:51:14 I guess, the real question is: How much more effort would you be willing to put into this? and, how much are you up for learning? Jul 02 05:52:56 hmm, microB is not feeling any faster Jul 02 05:53:03 * kerio goes back to the standard voltage Jul 02 05:53:55 huh, actually what would be cool for an overclock would be to tie it to the camera button Jul 02 05:54:15 I just used http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=595582&postcount=774 with "ideal" and allowed it to go down to 125MHz Jul 02 05:54:20 bring back the turbo button :D Jul 02 05:54:25 we'll see if I get better battery usage Jul 02 05:56:20 "The enroll program cannot be directly executed until all the libtool libraries that it depends on are installed." Jul 02 05:56:48 ah, good start then Jul 02 05:56:53 you'll need to run make install Jul 02 05:56:54 that's what the enroll file says. and there's a enroll.c on the same folder. so I hope there's a way to get it without the script. Jul 02 05:58:38 SwedeMike: i tried that Jul 02 05:58:45 doesnt work ;) Jul 02 05:58:58 Macer: it doesn't improve anything? Jul 02 05:59:10 not really Jul 02 05:59:18 i tried all types of settings Jul 02 05:59:25 ondemand has the best trade off Jul 02 05:59:51 what's ondemand? Jul 02 05:59:53 conservative settings saves almost nothing and just slows you down Jul 02 06:00:51 cpu setting Jul 02 06:01:13 goes straight to max speed and steps down as required Jul 02 06:01:27 conservative starts slow and goes faster as needed Jul 02 06:01:52 i tried conservative and sert the stepping lower SwedeMike Jul 02 06:01:54 johnx, I've did it to install this lib, imagemagick and libusb-1.0 (on scratchbox) Jul 02 06:02:02 it was no help tbh Jul 02 06:02:30 well, I'm running ideal with 125/250MHz enabled now, we'll see. Jul 02 06:02:35 seemed to take forever to get going on it again so you lose too much speed and wind up spending that extra "saved" power Jul 02 06:02:40 rafaelbrandao, so find out where enroll got installed to and take that copy Jul 02 06:02:50 and when I've run the bash script, it 'worked', unless a few ioctl errors but I've been told I should try on the real device because scratchbox can't simulate it Jul 02 06:02:53 waiting for it to do something Jul 02 06:02:57 when you run file on that copy of enroll it should call it an ELF executable Jul 02 06:03:02 my problem isn't really speed, it's that I want longer battery life. Jul 02 06:03:18 SwedeMike: buy a bigger battery ;) Jul 02 06:03:44 Macer: well, I have 4 batteries now... :P 2 is really enough, but since they're so cheap I bought 2 more. Jul 02 06:03:53 haha Jul 02 06:03:59 SwedeMike, but the speed may become a problem if you put the freq down Jul 02 06:04:07 dont they have some outrageously oversized one? Jul 02 06:04:52 i know someone was talking about it earlier Jul 02 06:04:58 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22691 <- USD3.67 with free shipping for battery. Jul 02 06:05:33 so I didn't bother with some expensive larger one, that made the phone even thicker Jul 02 06:12:33 they also have a nice table charger for charging the batteries after replacement, so I don't have to reboot because I want to charge Jul 02 06:14:27 and it might not even set your house on fire. woo! Jul 02 06:37:58 125MHz is instable. And it doesn't save you any battery, as speed-to-idle still seems to be best energy saving strategy Jul 02 06:38:39 thw whole undervolting thing is largely nonsense on SmartReflex Jul 02 06:39:43 Assuming that smartreflex is optimally tuned for the chip Jul 02 06:39:49 also - isn't it disabled? Jul 02 06:39:58 at least in it's N900-flavour. SmartReflex enabled is about dynamic adjustment of optimum regulator voltages, but on N900 it's again what? guess! right - it's instable Jul 02 06:40:53 s/SmartReflex/This part of smartreflex bunch of functions Jul 02 06:41:13 I've got to go now, but I want to thank for all the help today. have a great evening! Jul 02 06:42:43 there's also SR-hardware in CPU, which does a voltage regulation on very fine granularity/small function blocks. So twiddling with the main regulators *might* safe you some energy but nothing beyond that, and only if it worked with SmartReflex enabled Jul 02 06:44:10 Goor morning vietnam! Jul 02 06:44:16 -r +d Jul 02 06:44:34 as it does *not* work, you bet TI&Nokia put in some effort to find the best setting guaranteeing a stable operation on minimum possible power consumption - ergo nothing to augment or fix or do/know better than Nokia there Jul 02 06:45:01 I concur Jul 02 06:46:31 Fuck fuck fuckedi fuck. Why does killing hildon-home makes all python widgets disappear? And what does the OS exactly do when you change theme from the menu where you select themes? Jul 02 06:46:50 Well, they won't disappear every time, just like 6/10 times. Jul 02 06:48:46 DocScrutinizer: Assuming there is no part-part variability that is not exploited Jul 02 06:50:55 for sure there is. There's always some headroom you could exploit, but it'sincredibly hard for an individual to make the limits of this safe headroom visible, and usually this headroom also isn't worth all the effort you'd need to put in rsp all the risk of segfaulting programs you need to take Jul 02 06:51:04 yeah Jul 02 06:51:29 as e.g all the SmartReflex probably will save you some 5% of battery life Jul 02 06:51:38 or silent data corruption Jul 02 06:52:28 I prefer 47.5h of stable operation to 50h of gambling Jul 02 06:52:49 125 may also save power in some usecases. Jul 02 06:52:56 mp3 or gps for example Jul 02 06:53:01 Or babyphone Jul 02 06:53:13 yeah, but it's very well known to crash Jul 02 06:53:52 So i'm thinking about redesigning the ui for Groove Jul 02 06:54:13 like all of it Jul 02 06:54:16 and all the 'tests' done so far by users were resulting in *increased* power consumption *at best* Jul 02 06:56:41 hell, if those 'specialists' invested same amount of effort in just optimizing a single one of their frequently used _apps_ wrt code efficiency and low IRQ freq, they had earned a magnitude better results on conserving power, than with all that underclocking/undervolting/enable_SmartReflex messing around Jul 02 06:57:08 cya, bbl Jul 02 06:58:13 yeah Jul 02 06:58:34 The core powersaving is damn awesome. Jul 02 07:00:34 when Nokia said the N900 has "up to 172h of standby" I wonder if they killed off all applications and put the CPU in idle 99.9% of the time and "never" polled the phone part. Jul 02 07:02:12 SwedeMike, or they have taken out the battery ;) Jul 02 07:02:30 And after 172h the battery has discharged itself :P Jul 02 07:02:40 most max idle time is derived from unrealistic usage cases, especially for smartphones Jul 02 07:04:00 SwedeMike: 172h is around right, for wifi off, and everything just right, with it in an excellent signal area, and not roaming. Jul 02 07:04:24 I've hit ~120 or so. Jul 02 07:05:13 yeah 5d with it completly idle with sim card in is no problem for me Jul 02 07:05:36 or rather, it wasnt back in sweden where we have decent gsm infra ;D Jul 02 07:05:39 but then, that's no fun, either Jul 02 07:05:46 SpeedEvil: I've never even seen close to 48 hours, even if it's doing nothing Jul 02 07:06:08 then one of your apps is probably mishaving Jul 02 07:06:14 SwedeMike: Someting is differing between your usecase, and my tests then. Jul 02 07:06:39 powertop is a good plan. Jul 02 07:06:58 It should really be in C4 state for most of the time, with an average residency in that state of around a second Jul 02 07:08:43 C# | Ratio | Avg/dura | Frequency | Ratio Jul 02 07:08:43 --------+--------+----------+-----------+--------+ Jul 02 07:08:43 C0 | 0.2% | | 600 MHz | 0.0% | Jul 02 07:08:43 C1 | 0.0% | 0.2ms | 550 MHz | 0.0% | Jul 02 07:08:43 C2 | 0.5% | 6.3ms | 500 MHz | 0.0% | Jul 02 07:08:43 C3 | 3.0% | 182.4ms | 250 MHz | 100.0% | Jul 02 07:08:44 C4 | 96.2% | 1804.9ms | Jul 02 07:08:45 for example Jul 02 07:09:22 spending around 2s each time in the deepest sleep state, and only atually running at 250MHz for 0.2% of the time Jul 02 07:13:02 SpeedEvil: what command did you use for that output? Jul 02 07:13:14 oh, powertop Jul 02 07:13:44 http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ Jul 02 07:14:00 I already had it installed it seems Jul 02 07:14:07 Interesting. Jul 02 07:15:18 stop BME, and kill hald-addon-bme - and it drops from 12.7 wakeups/s to 6 Jul 02 07:15:43 mine spent most of the time in C3 Jul 02 07:15:46 62.3% Jul 02 07:16:09 Ok - that's bad - somethings keeping it awake Jul 02 07:16:40 going to try it again, but lock the screen before it starts Jul 02 07:16:43 pastebin the first dozen lines of PID# | Activity | Name | Function Entry (Expire) Jul 02 07:16:44 ah Jul 02 07:16:48 yes - that's required Jul 02 07:19:14 now it spent 75% in C4, 16.2 in C3, 7.6% in C2 and 1.3% in C0 Jul 02 07:20:05 That is still a bit high. Jul 02 07:20:06 the top three are the tick_nohz_restart with 155 activities, cpufreq_govenor at 53 and hildon at 30 Jul 02 07:20:46 1331 wakeups Jul 02 07:20:54 I need to properly write up a 'So - my application/n900 is using too much power' page. Jul 02 07:21:06 SpeedEvil: that would be extremely helpful. Jul 02 07:21:24 Ok - the first 2 are largely bogus as I understand it. Jul 02 07:21:32 Those only happen when other stuff is going on. Jul 02 07:21:48 hildon-desktop? Jul 02 07:25:40 hmm. Jul 02 07:25:58 pythonstuff on the desktop might do bad stuff Jul 02 07:26:02 stop dsme doens't on reflection - unsurprisingly - work so well. Jul 02 07:27:25 tip #1, while(1); is a good way to save power ;) Jul 02 07:27:46 :) Jul 02 07:28:24 I also need to properly measure how expensive a wakeup from C4 to C0 and back is. Jul 02 07:29:24 X-Fade, PING Jul 02 07:29:52 Or someone else who knows something about repos Jul 02 07:31:02 o/ Jul 02 07:31:06 morning everybody Jul 02 07:31:51 . . . Jul 02 07:32:19 SpeedEvil: yes, hildon-desktopp schedulehrtimeout_range Jul 02 07:32:22 Morning Jul 02 07:32:27 whats up Jul 02 07:32:35 Nothing, just chilling Jul 02 07:32:42 nice Jul 02 07:32:47 wish i could chill too Jul 02 07:32:53 :( Jul 02 07:32:58 I have an exam Jul 02 07:32:59 And trying to survive the massive headache I'm having. Jul 02 07:33:04 after 50minutes Jul 02 07:33:18 did u take an aspirine yet? Jul 02 07:33:19 HtheB, just relax. It won't go any better if you stress out... you know. Jul 02 07:33:47 HtheB, sure. Couple of painkillers, but they won't do the trick. I always have a HUGE headache if I haven't slept enough. Jul 02 07:33:49 D-ivil, yeah.... Jul 02 07:33:58 ah Jul 02 07:33:58 SwedeMike: I am unsure - it doesn't normally do that. Jul 02 07:34:01 I get Jul 02 07:34:11 but my exam is about Vectors Jul 02 07:34:21 man I'm totally noob about this Jul 02 07:34:33 Dunno if it's migrane or something, but it feels like there's an army of blacksmiths in my head doing their job :D Jul 02 07:34:33 SwedeMike: I have occasionally seen it do that - recently I straced it - and found it reading /proc/loadavg every second - which confused - as it shouldn't do that Jul 02 07:34:40 And indeed doesn't usually Jul 02 07:35:27 does anyone knows some stuff about vectors and matrixes? Jul 02 07:35:45 Could someone explain what Jul 02 07:35:48 up Jul 02 07:35:49 s Jul 02 07:35:53 Oh, Powertop is back? Jul 02 07:35:54 * D-Iivili_Work is typoing Jul 02 07:36:42 Could someone please explain me WHY ON EARTH does browsing packages @ maemo-extras (http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/) show package description from package that's on extras-devel? Jul 02 07:36:47 What's the logic behind that? Jul 02 07:37:16 for noobs Jul 02 07:37:17 :p Jul 02 07:37:29 I've made huge changes to package that's currently @ extras-devel and it's description is shown at the maemo downloads page which currently has older version which does not have half of the features compared to devel one. Jul 02 07:37:48 lol Jul 02 07:37:57 And ofcourse I have written stuff about those features in package description. Didn't know that the new description is automaticly imported to extras-version also... Jul 02 07:38:03 because package description != changelog/featurelist? :) Jul 02 07:38:43 frals, but shouldn't that be taken from the current_version_of_the_package? Jul 02 07:39:18 I mean if there's a version 1.0 at the extras and version 6.0 at devel then the description @ extras should be from version 1.0 and so on... Jul 02 07:40:25 Umm, I installed powertop 1.2 right, but when I run from the console it says 1.13. Is this right? Jul 02 07:40:30 yes Jul 02 07:40:34 yeah, and the edit function shouldnt be overwritten ever 30min by package importer on /downloads/, but afaiu x-fade is working on the manual edit at least :) Jul 02 07:40:37 powertop segfaults for me. Jul 02 07:40:50 D-Iivili_Work, yeah I had that too. Jul 02 07:41:03 sh: status: not found Jul 02 07:41:04 frals, oh, that's why my manual edits keeps disappearing constantly :D Jul 02 07:41:43 There might be few people who are confused when the package description @ extras says that package includes this and that and when they install the package they cannot find those features :D Jul 02 07:41:51 yeah, was doing my head in until someone explained its being overwritten by the importer Jul 02 07:42:14 Oh shit... Jul 02 07:42:51 Well, luckily new version @ extras-testing has already enough votes and it should be promotable in few days. Jul 02 07:43:37 hi, is there a maemo bluetooth chat program? (spp profile) Jul 02 07:43:49 or serial terminal Jul 02 07:43:57 offtopic: probably the best heavy metal music video ever made in the history of heavy metal videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL9mlqbG5CU Jul 02 07:44:03 man I'm pwned :( Jul 02 07:44:37 how so? Jul 02 07:45:18 :'( Jul 02 07:45:20 lol Jul 02 07:46:24 man I'm pwned.... Jul 02 07:46:30 again? Jul 02 07:46:42 seems like your network connection was pwned :P Jul 02 07:47:21 hahaha Jul 02 07:47:25 yeah Jul 02 07:47:33 stupid T-Mobile Jul 02 07:48:00 those vector stuff is going to kill me Jul 02 07:48:10 >.< Jul 02 07:48:40 I suggest you get yourself drunk HtheB so it won't stress you and the exam will go just fine :) You'll be more creative you know ;) Jul 02 07:48:54 hhahaha Jul 02 07:48:54 well Jul 02 07:49:01 wanna see what the exam is about? Jul 02 07:49:02 xD Jul 02 07:49:38 HtheB, you already told it was about vectors and stuff, so it's completely out of my range already. Don't have to see it in more details :P Jul 02 07:49:49 do some cocaine Jul 02 07:49:56 ahaha Jul 02 07:50:01 * D-Iivili_Work always skipped math lessons in highschool Jul 02 07:50:06 :D Jul 02 07:50:25 but somehow I survived the exams with the basic knowledge I had :P :D Jul 02 07:51:33 hehhee Jul 02 07:51:33 well Jul 02 07:51:44 ugh. math. ugh Jul 02 07:51:56 got 30 minutes left Jul 02 07:52:07 HtheB, still plenty of time to get drunk Jul 02 08:00:17 anyone got any suggestion on a good pair of in-ear headphones Jul 02 08:00:56 i know theres probably not one with an inline mic but if there is a pair that supports the n900 would be awesome :D Jul 02 08:02:27 ahaaha. someone gave me a pair of their barely used ipod headphones and I've just been using those when I don't have my big BT headphones on Jul 02 08:03:47 talonz, I have used Shure's SLC5 in-ears since they came out. Very happy with those. Jul 02 08:04:10 Ofcrouse with custom fittings made for my ears. Jul 02 08:04:30 D-Iivili_Work: tell him the price as well ;) Jul 02 08:04:33 Works fine on and off the stage. Jul 02 08:04:33 cheers D-Iivili_Work i been looking at shure just now Jul 02 08:04:50 i got a 300 dollar budget so anything over that is out my league :S Jul 02 08:05:01 mikki-kun starting from like ~350 dollars Jul 02 08:05:04 so not that bad Jul 02 08:05:31 yeah i think ill get shot if i go over my budget ;p Jul 02 08:05:49 talonz, then look at SCL3 or SCL4 Jul 02 08:06:17 spam fail: Jul 02 08:06:19 My late Client has deposit of Eighteen Million Dollars ( US$19 Million Dollars) left behind. Jul 02 08:06:42 But if you're huge bass fan then they are not for you I think. They are very neutral sounding. Jul 02 08:07:31 are you a huge bass fan D-Iivili_Work ? Jul 02 08:07:34 Macer: muhaha, somebody can't either read or count :D Jul 02 08:07:44 do you like fishsticks? Jul 02 08:07:54 pupnik, noup. I prefer neutral sound and capability to produce clear sound with high volumes. Jul 02 08:08:02 good answer Jul 02 08:08:45 My fittings are only -15db since I like to hear what's happening around me and on-stage I need lot's of volume :P Jul 02 08:08:45 D-Iivili_Work: did you have some "over the ear" type headphones as well which you think sound good? Jul 02 08:09:04 mikki-kun, never owned any of those. Jul 02 08:09:59 talonz, you should also look at Shure's SE-serie. They are more like for "basic users" and multimedia type in-ears. Jul 02 08:10:03 ohhh, ok... cause i was looking for some which i'd monitor and then maybe buy this years christmas for myself... then i am done with the first semester :D Jul 02 08:16:03 Ontopic: someone please tell me how to disable automatic application manager update checking? Jul 02 08:16:19 I don't want it to automaticly scann for updated frequently. I prefer doing that manually when I want ot. Jul 02 08:16:24 ot => to Jul 02 08:16:53 dont think there is a setting Jul 02 08:17:17 thanks for the help with the headphones btw D-Iivili_Work Jul 02 08:17:18 talonz, no, there's not setting for it, but there must be way to manually disable it somewhere? Jul 02 08:17:43 talonz, np. But ofcrouse those kind of things such headphones are always matter of personal taste on some level. Jul 02 08:18:14 talonz, and when talking about in-ears it might that even if the sound is great they might not be suitable for your ears physichally... Jul 02 08:19:17 im not a big fan of overly loud bass either D-Iivili_Work i prefer crystal clear studio quality Jul 02 08:19:52 talenz, then forget the Shure's SE-serie. I've tested the SE310 and they vere like made for disco-kings :P Jul 02 08:20:28 But there might be good alternatives from other manufacturers also. I have endorsment deal with Shure so I haven't tried others lately :-P Jul 02 08:20:45 i'm disko king Jul 02 08:21:20 D-Iivili_Work, u could possibly find the options for updates under /etc Jul 02 08:23:21 talonz: fail Jul 02 08:23:54 D-Iivili_Work: its gconf setting default is something of 24h, time interval is set in minutes Jul 02 08:24:29 chem|st, can it be changed? If it could be set to like 300 days then it would do the trick :P Jul 02 08:24:44 D-Iivili_Work: sure like any gconf entry Jul 02 08:24:46 Coz it seems like there's even no way to cancel the update process. Jul 02 08:25:14 And I'm currently on low speed connection and that update checking is basically killing the whole internet when it's doing it's job. Jul 02 08:25:35 a friend recognized it to download +5MB each morning while he is on dataplan Jul 02 08:25:41 chem|st, can I see list of gconf's somehow? Jul 02 08:25:56 one second Jul 02 08:26:05 I look it up Jul 02 08:26:09 thx Jul 02 08:40:13 gconf-editor? Jul 02 08:40:23 morning #maemo Jul 02 08:41:46 Morning MohammadAG51 Jul 02 08:44:21 o/ D-Iivili_Work Jul 02 08:44:43 coffee + smoke => Jul 02 08:45:07 new theme name? Jul 02 08:45:08 :p Jul 02 08:45:36 coffee + smoke = burning coffee? Jul 02 08:45:49 where there's smoke there's ... coffee? Jul 02 08:47:28 coffee without smoke... means coffee's cold? Jul 02 08:47:38 burning coffee sounds good, bright and dark brown with a creamy look Jul 02 08:48:11 Corsac: nice try... it means you forgot your lighter! Jul 02 08:48:12 I just upgraded Maemo and installed dropbear server and client package (since I couldnt find OpenSSH in the repos any more) and now I'm missing the client ssh command Jul 02 08:48:16 morning MohammadAG51 :) Jul 02 08:48:17 How do I use dropbear?? Jul 02 08:48:32 The only command i have is dropbearkey Jul 02 08:49:46 Nor does it use the ssh keys to auth me Jul 02 08:49:53 Can I get OpenSSH back please? :) Jul 02 08:50:29 Coke: hm, did you doublecheck OpenSSH isn't there anymore? from what i see it got installed a few moments ago (flashed my device prior to that) Jul 02 08:50:44 mikki-kun: there's no SSH command Jul 02 08:50:52 Coke, http://maemo.org/packages/view/openssh/ Jul 02 08:51:02 Coke: an SSH command? Jul 02 08:51:09 Oh Jul 02 08:51:14 It's case sensitive in the search? Jul 02 08:51:18 Coke: that's only if you've installed the SSH client, not server Jul 02 08:51:18 Yep Jul 02 08:51:21 Searching for "ssh" only yields dropbear Jul 02 08:51:35 Coke, and only searches with the package name, not the "fancy name" defined in control -file Jul 02 08:51:36 Coke: the new search is kinda buggy Jul 02 08:51:40 well then, screw that dropbear crap, I found OpenSSH by searching for capital "SSH" Jul 02 08:51:43 mikki-kun: no shit Jul 02 08:51:46 if you don't find it with searching try looking manually Jul 02 08:51:52 WHy is it buggy? Jul 02 08:51:56 hi everybody Jul 02 08:52:00 morning mikki-kun Jul 02 08:52:34 mikki-kun: how and why is it buggy? Jul 02 08:53:04 Coke: because the devs are working on meego Jul 02 08:53:09 :) Jul 02 08:53:28 Coke: don't know how it came to this, but most probably nokia thought the implemented search is way cooler... but they forgot editing the search-function to case insensitive and also searching for substrings what i experienced and read until now Jul 02 08:53:44 Macer: saw the demo of meego... didn't like it Jul 02 08:53:48 How can a search algorithm there be cool or not? Jul 02 08:53:57 It's implemented in the underlying apt, is it not? Jul 02 08:54:20 Coke: before pr 1.2 you had to search manually via "topbar --> search" Jul 02 08:54:25 Also, this type of search has been available since 1972 or so when someone wrote the first infant version of grep Jul 02 08:54:34 Why make it fancy? Jul 02 08:54:37 now you can search while inside of the subcategories by just typing Jul 02 08:54:43 mikki-kun: allright Jul 02 08:54:47 Well, i got ssh up and running anyway Jul 02 08:54:52 wiooooooooooot Jul 02 08:54:57 that's the important part ^^ Jul 02 08:55:05 mikki-kun: well. i doubt meego will work on an n900 Jul 02 08:55:07 now you can install apps at work and nobody will know Jul 02 08:55:10 The update looks really nice, but I think I might go MeeGo soon Jul 02 08:55:15 nokia wants to be intel whores Jul 02 08:55:22 Macer: nah Jul 02 08:55:24 Macer: meego was demonstrated running on the n900 ;) Jul 02 08:55:27 right, going to experiment more with ubuntu on the N900 Jul 02 08:55:29 brb Jul 02 08:55:31 lies! Jul 02 08:55:32 Macer: it's perfect, nokia does the arm port of meego Jul 02 08:55:33 ubuntu! Jul 02 08:55:35 haha Jul 02 08:55:37 wtf Jul 02 08:55:58 ubuntu? i'll rather use debian... Jul 02 08:56:02 Coke: really? that was unexpected Jul 02 08:56:03 me too Jul 02 08:56:06 but I was thinking why?! Jul 02 08:56:13 would love to get gentoo running on the n900 though :o Jul 02 08:56:13 I guess it might be OK using TV out Jul 02 08:56:17 but on that tiny screen Jul 02 08:56:18 D-Iivili_Work: gconftool -s --type=int /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval 500000 Jul 02 08:56:19 owch Jul 02 08:56:20 does it do portrait? Jul 02 08:56:25 :) Jul 02 08:56:29 * Macer hides Jul 02 08:56:35 I guess you can configure x11 however you want Jul 02 08:56:44 D-Iivili_Work: took me a while to remember that it was just the notifier Jul 02 08:56:45 yeah I wish n900 did portrait nicely Jul 02 08:56:59 chem|st, cool! Is the value given at the end in minutes or sencods? Jul 02 08:57:00 mirf: 640K is enough Jul 02 08:57:06 :) Jul 02 08:57:16 devs sticking to the past Jul 02 08:57:22 lol XD Jul 02 08:57:25 2 handed use sucks when you just want to grab your phone and check your text or whatever Jul 02 08:57:29 640k? Jul 02 08:57:34 trying to pretend the n900 isnt a phone Jul 02 08:57:37 :) Jul 02 08:57:50 D-Iivili_Work: thats line is exactly for you! its minutes and 500k minutes is about a 300 days Jul 02 08:57:54 the phone aspect was an after thought Jul 02 08:58:03 chem|st, thanks in million times! Jul 02 08:58:10 mirf: maybe. but it is what it is Jul 02 08:58:18 D-Iivili_Work: just don't forget to run that every time you flash ;) Jul 02 08:58:20 D-Iivili_Work: now get me the smoking coffee theme pls ;) Jul 02 08:58:26 it is a phone... need to deal with reality Jul 02 08:58:31 chem|st, working on it already :P Jul 02 08:58:39 chem|st: btw, thanks for that as well :) i'll use that one as well :) Jul 02 08:58:52 im sure someone will have android running on it... i love maemo tho Jul 02 08:58:56 (not really, this headache is killing me still, can't focus on anything creative :P) Jul 02 08:58:58 i put it in my wiki... Jul 02 08:59:08 i just wish some things acted more like a phone Jul 02 08:59:17 omgosh remote X is slow Jul 02 08:59:20 Macer: froyo could have a big chance on getting propely ported to the n900 Jul 02 08:59:52 Coke: xforwarding seemed to work pretty good for me Jul 02 08:59:57 android does run already Jul 02 09:00:00 Macer: it's taking for ever Jul 02 09:00:03 not too bad at least Jul 02 09:00:12 over 3G it does Jul 02 09:00:24 clicking drop downs doesnt work Jul 02 09:00:31 but you cant expect to run ff over 3G Jul 02 09:00:31 mirf: it kinda does, but i'd rate it a beta ;) many things are not working properly therefore "ported properly" ;) Jul 02 09:00:41 Oh, I have to hold down for a while Jul 02 09:00:50 Hm. Might be Im not used to working with a touch interface Jul 02 09:01:02 it has high latency over ssh Jul 02 09:01:16 good night :) Jul 02 09:01:18 mikki-kun: I see Jul 02 09:02:02 randomly flash crashed the device Jul 02 09:02:06 i mean the browser Jul 02 09:02:26 D-Iivili_Work: another idea is animal style, fur and leather Jul 02 09:02:40 and calling wasn't working, gps, charging the phone (jup, charging didn't seem to work ^^) and few other stuff... Jul 02 09:02:51 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] Jul 02 09:03:08 chem|st, I already have like +5 requests on the to-do-list :D Jul 02 09:03:26 chem|st, but I think I'm taking a little vacation on those. Or at least I try to :D Jul 02 09:03:35 mikki-kun: D-Iivili_Work I dont know if that starts a counter or so but setting it to 30000 should be fine Jul 02 09:03:56 chem|st: i would have set that to a week Jul 02 09:03:57 thats 20 days Jul 02 09:04:58 I dot get why there is no true/false switch for the notifier Jul 02 09:06:06 hm, how come, that by copying stuff from the microSD to emmc and vice versa the cpu is stressed like a gazillion times more than it can handle? Jul 02 09:06:13 chem|st, you . know? Jul 02 09:06:18 :P Jul 02 09:06:45 Termana: don't start on me pls Jul 02 09:07:12 I missed two keys or my kbd is broken again Jul 02 09:07:23 but yes I . know Jul 02 09:07:28 10Q Jul 02 09:08:56 mikki-kun: there is no direct write Jul 02 09:09:15 hu? how do you mean? Jul 02 09:09:45 direct write meaning it doesn't change it's physical source? Jul 02 09:10:18 mikki-kun, hmm, debian eh? should start on that :p Jul 02 09:10:34 morning pals Jul 02 09:10:35 MohammadAG: isn't there already easydebian for the n900? Jul 02 09:10:46 MohammadAG, hey Jul 02 09:10:47 ZogG: morning... how's your head? Jul 02 09:10:51 mikki-kun, it's a chroot, which is, imo, quite slow Jul 02 09:10:58 yopu didn't answer if you got ears Jul 02 09:11:04 headphones Jul 02 09:11:24 MohammadAG: you want to make a running port of debian? Jul 02 09:11:29 I have a question : is it possible to use skype on maemo but whitout loading all my skype contact on cellphone contact because it is a big mess Jul 02 09:11:39 mikki-kun, might start on it once I finish this one Jul 02 09:11:44 mikki-kun, see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Ubuntu Jul 02 09:12:08 MohammadAG: hm, if porting gentoo isn't too hard maybe i could try starting doing that Jul 02 09:12:14 mikki-kun: everything is using the cpu as there is no path around it (direct way) Jul 02 09:12:23 mikki-kun, it was awesome - except my stupid roomate that started to wake me up hour earlier(we had to go see the apartment) cause some p*ss should came to him later and he wanted to do it so f***ing early =( Jul 02 09:12:44 mikki-kun, gentoo would f*** the CPU of the N900 at each installation, not really worth it Jul 02 09:12:47 copying stuff to the device makes it freeze Jul 02 09:12:49 * ZogG is downloading new futurama with eyephone Jul 02 09:12:54 ZogG: ouch >.< that is dumb Jul 02 09:13:11 mikki-kun, he was trying to wake me for an hour but i was strong Jul 02 09:13:11 MohammadAG: you can use precompiled binaries on gentoo as well ;) just not sure if arm has them Jul 02 09:13:30 mikki-kun, i hate guys that run after p*ssies Jul 02 09:13:50 ZogG: hey I like me cat! Jul 02 09:13:58 i have two... Jul 02 09:14:05 lol Jul 02 09:14:28 mahhh, freaking mosquito >.< Jul 02 09:15:00 my boss asked me to learn delphi and resurect a 70k lines codebase... Jul 02 09:16:04 MohammadAG: and by utilizing a few N900's (round 1000 ^^) and doing a distcc stuff should be compiling pretty fast and the binaries which are produced can be uploaded and then installed Jul 02 09:16:13 chem|st, anything in your contract that says you're not responsible for consequences of resurrecting zombie code bases? Jul 02 09:16:45 mikki-kun, actually, what you probably want to do is distcc onto a cross gcc that runs on your desktop Jul 02 09:16:51 chem|st: give it to me... i'll give it a fatal error after another *memories coming up* ^^ Jul 02 09:16:51 actualy there is one sentence keeping me off charger for anything like that! Jul 02 09:16:54 delphi is easy to learn Jul 02 09:17:01 fun to use Jul 02 09:17:03 mikki-kun, wouldn't a qemu be faster lol Jul 02 09:17:18 anyone got php on maemo yet? Jul 02 09:17:25 timeless: 70k lines!!! Jul 02 09:17:29 delphi is not fun to use Jul 02 09:17:31 take th at back Jul 02 09:18:01 MohammadAG: don't know.. haven't tried and won't ^^ Jul 02 09:18:02 hello maemonians Jul 02 09:18:13 * johnx sleeps Jul 02 09:18:24 but uhm, can you have ubuntu and maemo running at the same time on your n900? Jul 02 09:18:30 mece: you are forcing it Jul 02 09:18:49 mikki-kun, you can "have them running at the same time", with a chroot Jul 02 09:18:53 chem|st, yeah, but in a friendly manner Jul 02 09:19:09 mikki-kun: just like any other linux 32bit arm based os Jul 02 09:19:23 mece: ;) want some of my code? Jul 02 09:19:53 I like to share closed source *cough* Jul 02 09:19:59 chem|st, code, huh? Jul 02 09:20:19 have anyone made progress reverting to the standard PR 1.1.1 virtual keyboard? Jul 02 09:20:26 70k lines of delphi hit me last week's thursday Jul 02 09:20:45 redeeman, I think no one even tried that Jul 02 09:20:59 some did Jul 02 09:21:03 MohammadAG, data connection work when directly booting Ubuntu? Jul 02 09:21:05 chem|st, ugh.. I feel for you. Jul 02 09:21:13 Termana, obviously not :) Jul 02 09:21:19 mece: ty Jul 02 09:21:29 chem|st, what should you be doing with said 70k lines? Jul 02 09:21:38 Termana, idk any apps that would even allow phone calls Jul 02 09:21:47 I wonder if telepathy-ring would run on ubuntu Jul 02 09:22:01 MohammadAG, not interested in phone calls. More interested in purely the data connection Jul 02 09:22:59 mece: resurrecting in 3 month, corporate identitying in 6, extend in 12 Jul 02 09:23:16 What is the reason again for the modem not working on anything but Maemo yet? Jul 02 09:23:26 chem|st i have a turtle Jul 02 09:23:29 Termana: driver Jul 02 09:23:40 ZogG: I am a turtle Jul 02 09:23:48 chem|st, and i hate it =) Jul 02 09:23:54 chem|st, wouldn't that be easily rip-able from maemo? Jul 02 09:23:59 * ZogG mp> futurama.s06e03.hdtv.xvid-fqm.avi [624x352 XVID 23.976fps] Jul 02 09:24:07 especially on OSs like debian based ones Jul 02 09:24:13 chem|st, isn't there an oFono userspace driver? Jul 02 09:24:36 I thought the meego 1.1 got it?! Jul 02 09:24:39 I'm not sure weather oFono handles the data connection or not though Jul 02 09:25:47 chem|st, I think the meego-arm n900 team said they were still working on the modem Jul 02 09:26:08 what's the driver used in maemo anyways? Jul 02 09:26:11 Termana: ah, thought they be ready within the week Jul 02 09:26:54 MohammadAG: isi, nokia's own binary cellular modem protocol Jul 02 09:27:02 Robot101, where is it stored? Jul 02 09:27:05 MohammadAG, I think its a closed source userspace driver, with a closed source telephony component. Jul 02 09:27:15 MohammadAG, other than that, theres the kernel phonet driver Jul 02 09:27:35 so what? closed drivers can run on ubuntu Jul 02 09:27:58 Termana, same kernel, so I guess it's already there Jul 02 09:28:02 MohammadAG: on N900, the closed csd daemon talks over the kernel phonet interface to the modem chip over a high speed serial link Jul 02 09:28:28 MohammadAG: ripping the driver requires the same kernel, and same dependencies (libc, mainly), which kinda limits a whole lot of things Jul 02 09:28:32 phonet is open source and upstream - what's missing is csd, but that has it's own dbus interface, not ofono's Jul 02 09:28:42 crashanddie, I'm already using the same kernel for ubuntu Jul 02 09:28:45 MohammadAG: also, using the binary in other software is illegal, as far as I can tell Jul 02 09:28:58 so you can put csd there and nothing will run on top of it... Jul 02 09:29:03 crashanddie, who cares? users can copy it over after installation Jul 02 09:29:20 well, some people still care about legality and such Jul 02 09:29:20 crashanddie, same with /lib/firmware files Jul 02 09:29:31 crashanddie, it would be legal Jul 02 09:29:52 MohammadAG: its useless thnough, nothing else on the system would know how to talk to it Jul 02 09:29:55 Robot101, so basically a new kernel driver has to be written to work with ofono? Jul 02 09:29:56 I doubt so, but it's up for debate Jul 02 09:30:15 Termana: not kernel, an isi driver for ofono - which is being written Jul 02 09:30:39 MohammadAG: its useless thnough, nothing else on the system would know how to talk to it Jul 02 09:30:49 can't see any reason why if the same packages from ubuntu are installed Jul 02 09:30:53 s/ubuntu/maemo Jul 02 09:31:16 which packages?! Jul 02 09:31:26 well, if you're going to run the same software, kernel and drivers, why bother installing another OS? Jul 02 09:31:29 telepathy-ring which should be able to talk to it Jul 02 09:31:42 crashanddie, cause I can? Jul 02 09:31:51 conic, hildon desktop, call ui, telepathy ring, the connectivity ui and control panel and oh god why not just run maemo?! :P Jul 02 09:31:59 you have way too much time on your hands, mo ;) Jul 02 09:32:14 crashanddie, couldn't have said it better myself :p Jul 02 09:32:22 Robot101, hildon-desktop? nah, too slow Jul 02 09:32:24 MohammadAG: also, your hormones are bubbling, no need to be aggressive Jul 02 09:32:38 LOL i'm not aggressive Jul 02 09:32:40 MohammadAG: you need it to run the call ui and such... Jul 02 09:32:43 yeah seriously, usefulness fail. the open source tp-ring doesn't have the csd code any more Jul 02 09:32:46 is there good tools to sync contact with funambol google or other to make backup ? Jul 02 09:32:59 Nadley: install syncevolution Jul 02 09:33:01 anyway, need to bring the car to the garage Jul 02 09:33:03 'later Jul 02 09:33:10 MohammadAG: I can put it better Jul 02 09:33:10 Robot101, the call UI can start up without hildon-desktop :) Jul 02 09:33:28 and have no menus? Jul 02 09:33:38 Robot101: ok but I need evolution ? Jul 02 09:33:40 MohammadAG: your cognitive surplus is nearing the treshold of featured skilledmanship. Jul 02 09:33:49 Nadley: no its just confusingly namea Jul 02 09:33:56 MohammadAG, why not do this - start up the data connection in Maemo, chroot to Ubuntu rootfs, start GNOME up, kill hildon-desktop Jul 02 09:33:59 Nadley: *named Jul 02 09:34:05 Nadley: its just a syncml client Jul 02 09:34:12 Termana, deps too fuc**d up Jul 02 09:34:12 MohammadAG, ??? Jul 02 09:34:15 Nadley: so you can sync your N900 to funambol Jul 02 09:34:15 ok where can I find it ? Jul 02 09:34:19 MohammadAG, Profit! Jul 02 09:34:25 lol Jul 02 09:34:30 Nadley: maemo extras Jul 02 09:35:27 ok I'll look for it. Jul 02 09:36:22 MohammadAG, dependencies? Hmm - expand on exactly what you mean. I see no problem arising from doing that Jul 02 09:36:45 you could even leave hildon-desktop going Jul 02 09:36:56 Termana, nevermind, thought you wanted a desktop replacement Jul 02 09:37:08 Termana, qole already did the chroot stuff, why do it again? Jul 02 09:37:26 MohammadAG, yeah but isn't qoles Debian? :P Jul 02 09:37:32 qole's* Jul 02 09:37:32 MohammadAG: cause you can? ^^ Jul 02 09:37:42 mikki-kun, zing! Jul 02 09:37:46 lol! Jul 02 09:37:50 turned it right back at him there didn't you :P Jul 02 09:38:34 Termana: just couldn't resist ;) Jul 02 09:39:16 hahaha Jul 02 09:39:34 tbh I wanted ubuntu as a backup shell, so if I f up maemo I could fix it without reflashing Jul 02 09:39:47 then I kinda went into installing crap on it, which runs quite well Jul 02 09:40:27 MohammadAG: hm, wouldn't something smaller be enough reparing it? ;) Jul 02 09:40:37 Robot101: in extra-testing ? Jul 02 09:40:59 mikki-kun, yes, as I said I started installing stuff on it to make a full distro on the N900 Jul 02 09:41:08 is there a way to disable the status bar on x terminal? Jul 02 09:41:31 Nadley: I dunno I turned all three on, I kinda ignored the distinction Jul 02 09:41:39 MohammadAG, I guess you just have to wait for the meego-arm n900 guys to finish getting oFono stuff right for the data connection then Jul 02 09:41:44 :P Jul 02 09:41:46 MohammadAG: hm, did you install mobile or desktop-versions of those apps? (when both available) Jul 02 09:41:47 ok ok Robot101 Jul 02 09:42:03 mikki-kun, I installed ubuntu-desktop and the netbook launcher Jul 02 09:42:11 you can swap between both at login Jul 02 09:42:12 brb Jul 02 09:42:13 kerio: status bar? the one on the top? Jul 02 09:42:19 the one on the bottom Jul 02 09:42:23 not the "status" bar Jul 02 09:42:27 the... shortcut bar? i guess Jul 02 09:42:38 kerio: there was a command *searching* Jul 02 09:43:46 kerio: this one should hide it "gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false" Jul 02 09:43:59 hmm... then i wouldn't have access to escape though Jul 02 09:44:07 and this one should show it again gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "true" Jul 02 09:44:43 kerio: found here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=703632&postcount=63 ;) Jul 02 09:46:52 lol... tabbing becomes a serious issue when you think you can tab everything with it XD Jul 02 09:47:01 even words which are on your mind Jul 02 09:48:25 huh, apparently it's smart enough (or dumb enough) to make me see almost perfectly a 120x36 nethack game Jul 02 09:48:37 even though i'm probably missing some columns Jul 02 09:48:46 and i'm definetely missing some rows Jul 02 09:49:15 does busybox run a .profile file of some sorts? Jul 02 09:51:01 kerio: it has one Jul 02 09:51:15 ~/.profile <--- location Jul 02 09:51:22 i see Jul 02 09:59:11 WOW I REALLY like the shape and size of that leaked nokia phone.. Jul 02 09:59:24 chem|st, coffee theme almost ready :P Jul 02 10:02:07 mece: which one? :D Jul 02 10:02:19 what was the path for the gnu-coreutils again? Jul 02 10:03:27 /usr/bin/gnu Jul 02 10:07:54 MohammadAG: thanks :) Jul 02 10:10:02 so... i mapped tab and escape to the backspace key Jul 02 10:10:10 are there any controindications in doing that? Jul 02 10:10:53 ctrl backspace brings the dashboard Jul 02 10:11:04 the taskswitcher Jul 02 10:11:20 nah, i'm using shift/fn/shift+fn Jul 02 10:11:26 fn+backspace = tab Jul 02 10:11:30 shift+fn+backspace = esc Jul 02 10:11:35 not sure if esc works Jul 02 10:11:49 but having tab as a "key" is useful Jul 02 10:12:02 ok, that shouldn't be a problem then with preexisting keycombos ;) Jul 02 10:13:37 hold on, ctrl+bksp brings up the dashboard? Jul 02 10:13:41 why do i need camkeyd then? Jul 02 10:14:53 kerio: dunno ;) when your keyboard is closed i assume Jul 02 10:14:56 cause some users don't want to slide open a keyboard Jul 02 10:14:59 i found that out as well after some time Jul 02 10:15:06 i love ctrl+backspace Jul 02 10:15:08 huh, that's the only way i use it, so far Jul 02 10:15:21 makes multitasking way easier than searching for the camkey Jul 02 10:15:32 the keyboard gives you an extra grip Jul 02 10:18:39 i have the keyboard only closed when i am lying sideways on my bed and reading my RSS feeds before going to sleep Jul 02 10:33:43 morning Jul 02 10:37:17 hi all Jul 02 10:37:50 hi Andy80 Jul 02 10:38:11 hi Andy80 Jul 02 10:38:26 hey Jaffa, how's things? Jul 02 10:38:27 If I'm packagin an application which version is (for example) 0.1.2, how can I add a build number like 0.1.2-1 ? I tried putting "Version: 0.1.2-1" in debian/control but it didn't help... any idea? Jul 02 10:38:34 hey Jaffa :) Jul 02 10:40:16 I'm having this problem because I cannot upload further "0.1.2" versions of my package in extras-devel, Autobuilder rejects them. Jul 02 10:40:56 stick it in the changelog Jul 02 10:41:05 that's where the version number is pulled from Jul 02 10:42:21 lardman: oh thanks you :) I try Jul 02 10:49:23 lardman: yes, it worked, thank you :) Jul 02 10:49:46 good good :) Jul 02 10:50:06 pff... updating packages list on N900 takes me more than creating package, uploading to Autobuilder and waiting for it to be ready :\ Jul 02 10:50:26 yes, that's true ;) Jul 02 10:50:29 use apt-get or fapman Jul 02 10:50:33 Andy80: read some houra ago that the package list is something like 5MB Jul 02 10:50:39 *hours Jul 02 10:52:04 Anyone tried FF 1.1? Jul 02 10:52:12 is it quicker than 1.0? Jul 02 10:53:33 fapman ftw! Jul 02 10:54:46 I'm using apt-get from terminal now, but my upgraded package is still not available... is there any delay between the email: "[fremantle]: msoma 0.1.2-1 OK" and its availability on extras-devel repository? Jul 02 10:55:11 imports are done @ :05 and :35 Jul 02 10:55:24 wait 10 minutes before updating the repo lists Jul 02 10:55:24 please help! pairing two N900, I *always* get the 'old' one (PR1.1.1) on the 'new' one (PR1.2) as "type:PC) - while the new one pairs to the old one as "type:Phone" Jul 02 10:55:30 I'd like to dual boot meego (whatever that newish june 30 version is). Is that done already? Jul 02 10:55:34 okok, now now it's available :) Jul 02 10:55:42 How would I possibly change type of device? Jul 02 10:56:03 Update bluetooth firmware I suppose Jul 02 10:56:08 DocScrutinizer: BT? Jul 02 10:56:12 yep Jul 02 10:56:20 BT - sorry forgot to mention Jul 02 10:56:20 depends what the cap flags are Jul 02 10:56:25 DocScrutinizer, sounds like the device itself is confused over weather its a phone or a mobile computer (PC). Jul 02 10:56:49 which means you'll probably need to dig into the compiled code Jul 02 10:57:09 lardman: I got a new firefox yesterday (think it's 1.1) but I haven't really noticed any difference Jul 02 10:57:19 Termana: they are rather sure about their roles. The one insists in being a PC, while the other one insists in being a phone Jul 02 10:57:24 SwedeMike: any good? Or stick with the built-in? Jul 02 10:57:42 lardman: hm, now that you say so, I got it mixed up. Let me try it. Jul 02 10:57:44 DocScrutinizer, could've been changed in PR1.2 Jul 02 10:57:56 lardman: I actually only tested the built in one after the upgrade Jul 02 10:57:57 DocScrutinizer, I remember my PC detecting the N900 as a PC, now it doesn't Jul 02 10:58:31 the annoying background: I ca't synchronize or transmit/receive contacts/calendar etc Jul 02 10:58:34 SwedeMike: the old version of FF was slow and large, so just wondering Jul 02 10:59:09 lardman: so far the new ff is slow and large as well, give me a minute. Jul 02 10:59:13 new ff seems somehow more responsive Jul 02 10:59:18 mmm... it looks like my compiled binary is not included in .deb :( if I let you see the Autobuilder building logs, do you think you can give me some hints? Jul 02 10:59:23 not at all slow as previous one Jul 02 10:59:44 ..not to say that it's very fast either :) Jul 02 11:01:06 SwedeMike: :) Jul 02 11:01:08 Finally... the painkillers are starting to work :D Jul 02 11:02:16 I shut down firefox and tried to start it again, now it's at 100% for a minute and still no window Jul 02 11:02:35 has anybody ever succeeded in either transmitting or receiving/syncing contacts over BT, on either PR1.2 or 1.1.1? To whatever peer (PC, other BT phone, even other N900) - if yes: how? Jul 02 11:02:46 DocScrutinizer, yes Jul 02 11:02:58 Surfa: any details? Jul 02 11:03:01 DocScrutinizer, from e71 the importing worked like a charm Jul 02 11:03:09 to 1.2? Jul 02 11:03:12 DocScrutinizer: yes, I do it all the time to nokia pc suite over BT Jul 02 11:03:14 to 1.1.1 Jul 02 11:03:23 DocScrutinizer: in both 1.2 and 1.1.1 Jul 02 11:03:24 Surfa: mhm Jul 02 11:03:25 DocScrutinizer, didn't have to do that for 1.2 as they are already there Jul 02 11:03:38 DocScrutinizer: With the proper lubrcation it's doable. Jul 02 11:04:23 DocScrutinizer: once from my 6120c, and i sync regularly with my computer Jul 02 11:04:25 PR1.2 Jul 02 11:04:28 DocScrutinizer, on the contraty from the 6500 classic id didn't work Jul 02 11:04:39 Duckboot: aah yes (me heads out to fridge, to get hop lubry) Jul 02 11:05:27 DocScrutinizer: you need to install the bluetooth dun Jul 02 11:05:55 kerio: that's based on your experience? Jul 02 11:06:07 yeah Jul 02 11:06:16 for sync to PC? Jul 02 11:06:22 yup Jul 02 11:06:29 lardman: my verdict is that FF is unusable, at least for any reasonable complicated web page Jul 02 11:06:39 reasonably Jul 02 11:06:56 hm, what would you say about opera? Jul 02 11:07:08 just curious Jul 02 11:07:10 SwedeMike: thanks Jul 02 11:07:10 opera turbo is *god* when you're on a slow connection Jul 02 11:07:21 SwedeMike: does microB work on the same complicated web page? Jul 02 11:07:31 kerio: yes, much better. Jul 02 11:07:41 hmm. The weird thing is the PR1.2 device claims to be a "Phone". So from all you tell me the 1.2-"phone" isn't compatible in its behaviour to an old 6120c Jul 02 11:07:54 or e71 Jul 02 11:07:58 could be the fact that microb doesn't start all the flash that makes the difference ,but just starting FF and interacting with it is slow Jul 02 11:08:05 kerio: hm, so you have opera mobile or which opera installed? *confused* Jul 02 11:08:15 DocScrutinizer: starting a sync from the n900 to another phone is possible Jul 02 11:08:16 I mean, just typing in the FF url field is slow, even without any page loaded Jul 02 11:08:24 starting a sync from the n900 to a pc or viceversa isn't Jul 02 11:08:38 you need to enable it on the pc, and i don't know how to do it, or you need to enable it on the n900 Jul 02 11:08:38 kerio: on PR1.2 - but not on 1.1.1? Jul 02 11:08:41 installing the bluetooth DUN Jul 02 11:09:02 DocScrutinizer: i got my n900 two days ago, never tried 1.1.1 Jul 02 11:09:58 hmm, ok. So the PR1.2 *should* be OK then, but the 1.1.1-"PC" isn't really working correctly Jul 02 11:10:32 ever since I got my N900 in december I've been able to properly sync calendar and contacts using nokia pc suite Jul 02 11:10:36 via bluetooth Jul 02 11:10:50 I gather I need BT-dun on PR1.2 to sync to old PC-style 1.1.1 N900, and/or to my alptop Jul 02 11:11:27 DocScrutinizer: try it Jul 02 11:11:27 SwedeMike: no PC suite here. Missing that giant virus to run that software on it Jul 02 11:11:38 are you on os x? Jul 02 11:11:49 you also need an isync plugin Jul 02 11:11:50 kerio: Linux, what else? Jul 02 11:11:52 oh Jul 02 11:11:56 then i don't know Jul 02 11:11:59 i guess "nokia generic" works Jul 02 11:12:34 I was originally interested in syncing two N900 Jul 02 11:12:48 hmm, you need bluetooth DUN installed on one of those Jul 02 11:12:50 without using a moderator PC Jul 02 11:12:59 the other one should be fine without it Jul 02 11:13:07 but you need to start the sync from the one without it Jul 02 11:13:19 kerio: as the 1.1.1 pretends to be a PC, I gather I need dun on PR1.2 Jul 02 11:13:21 chem|st, how's this looking: http://www.firenote.com/D-Iivil/plastic/Screenshot-20100702-140958.png :-P Jul 02 11:13:35 PR1.2 pretends to be a pc too Jul 02 11:13:40 kerio: thanks Jul 02 11:14:02 (so you need bluetooth DUN to make it act like a normal phone - it's probably there for 1.1.1 too, btw) Jul 02 11:14:19 kerio: on my PR1.1.1 the paired PR1.2 alsways is 'type:Phone' Jul 02 11:14:36 bbl Jul 02 11:14:49 I pretend girls are PC's, but they seem to have an incompatible API.... Jul 02 11:14:57 re-pair it Jul 02 11:15:06 tdfhyuj Jul 02 11:15:23 kerio: LOL - I re-paired and tried to repair Jul 02 11:16:57 I'm trying to compile an application under Scratchbox and I get this building error: http://pastebin.com/RQQmXQDb - please note that the application compiles without any error under Nokia SDK. What package/s I'm missing? I installed both libqt4-dev and libqtm-dev but it's not enough.. Jul 02 11:17:05 kerio: As I thought it might be related which of the devices initiated the pairing, and by which function (mere BT pairing, or send/rcv/sync contacts). So I went thru all 8 permutations, but result always the same Jul 02 11:17:26 hmm - does the geotag also include gps data? Jul 02 11:18:01 there's exactly one function where I can create a conduit which then throws "Error" Jul 02 11:19:28 it's really exhausting and took me almost one hour now, incl reboots etc to make sure there are no services that freaked out Jul 02 11:19:43 hm, can somebody tell me how i can unlock frequencies which are "locked"? Jul 02 11:19:49 kerio, it has for me Jul 02 11:20:01 mikki-kun: huh? Jul 02 11:20:22 for which service? Jul 02 11:20:25 am using titan's kernel (ideal settings, but would love having there 250 to 600 as limits, 250 is blocked though) Jul 02 11:20:34 aah :-S Jul 02 11:20:49 mikki-kun, check the kernel power wiki-page. Jul 02 11:21:00 mikki-kun, it's explained there how you can allow some frequencies. Jul 02 11:21:28 250..600 seems should be sane defaults though Jul 02 11:21:37 kernel-power is not just for overclocking you know Jul 02 11:21:46 and if you want 250-600 you can just put the default settings back Jul 02 11:21:47 kerio: No. Jul 02 11:22:03 I've been running 500 - 1000 since the titan's kernel came out. No problems so far :P Jul 02 11:22:06 kerio: exactly Jul 02 11:22:08 kerio: there is lot of other improvements in kernel-power too Jul 02 11:22:17 Duckboot: i know Jul 02 11:22:26 D-Iivili_Work: we are NOT interested in "so far" Jul 02 11:22:33 lack of reading skills huh? :P Jul 02 11:22:34 D-Iivili_Work: take that elsewhere! Jul 02 11:23:22 kerio: IPv6 is nice. Jul 02 11:23:49 hmm, iphoto is not importing the tags Jul 02 11:24:00 D-Iivili_Work: "I use salad oil instead of decent lubrificant in my motor - no problems so far" - we are NOT interested! Jul 02 11:24:17 DocScrutinizer, chill out dude. Jul 02 11:24:17 D-Iivili_Work: i can't seem to find that ;/ you wanna point it out? Jul 02 11:24:36 mikki-kun, http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power Jul 02 11:24:42 DocScrutinizer: Ofc we're interested - Anything out of the ordinary is interesting. Jul 02 11:24:49 i am at the page already ;) Jul 02 11:25:22 mikki-kun, http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Temporary_change_of_the_frequency_limits ? Jul 02 11:25:41 D-Iivili_Work: seems manual stuff i always need to do :( Jul 02 11:25:58 Duckboot: so another noob claiming "no problems SO FAR" - that's *highly* ordinary Jul 02 11:26:20 DocScrutinizer: Well - If you put it that way ;-P Jul 02 11:27:17 DocScrutinizer: Kinda like BP - "No problems so far.... Oh shit...." Jul 02 11:28:04 lol, yep exactly Jul 02 11:28:25 DocScrutinizer, what's your problem? AFAIK I haven't called you names and you just start to throw words like "noob" at me out of nowhere? Jul 02 11:28:57 * Duckboot grabs for the pocorn, and breaks open a coke. Jul 02 11:29:07 did I mention your name same sentence like the classification 'noob'? Jul 02 11:29:08 pass some of those popcorns! Jul 02 11:29:36 kerio: Here - Help yourself. Jul 02 11:29:43 DocScrutinizer, well.. you said "so another noob claiming "no problems SO FAR"" after I said no problems so far. How should I understand that? Jul 02 11:29:52 *nom nom nom* Jul 02 11:30:00 /dcc send kerion popcorn Jul 02 11:30:23 D-Iivili_Work: you'll have to live with sharing this classification to the other 50 noobs who did exactly the same - coming here with "no problems SO FAR on overclocking" Jul 02 11:30:54 DocScrutinizer, and again. Share "WITH OTHER noobs". Jul 02 11:31:39 * Duckboot turns on "eye of the tiger" to get into the mood. Jul 02 11:31:41 X-Fade: re you there? Jul 02 11:31:45 D-Iivili_Work: well, the statement SO FAR on any OC topic either classifies you as a noob or a troll, your call to pick one Jul 02 11:32:09 * D-Iivili_Work realizes that he's pretty noob on many areas thouch Jul 02 11:32:21 (damn, typo) Jul 02 11:32:51 DocScrutinizer, now I don't really follow you... Jul 02 11:33:03 "i turned on overclocking for 10 seconds this morning and nothing happened - overclocking is perfectly safe!" Jul 02 11:33:44 kerio, didn't really mean to put my words like that when just said I haven't have problems so far with the current setup... Jul 02 11:33:52 how big is "so far"? Jul 02 11:34:05 When was the titans kernel relesed? Jul 02 11:34:14 two months ago? Jul 02 11:34:34 the very basic implication of OC is it destroys your hardware, and it does so by gradual wear to the point where problems become more and more obvious. So a "so far no problems" is either cynical trolling, or clearly indicating you haven't any idea of that Jul 02 11:34:36 "I turned my clock off - Still it became night" Jul 02 11:35:32 kerio: "so far" is like the length of a short string. Jul 02 11:35:46 DocScrutinizer, sure I realize the downsides. This isn't really the first time I'm running things out of their default values. Still don't understand why so angry attitude against me. Jul 02 11:36:07 D-Iivili_Work: welcome to the internets Jul 02 11:36:23 kerio, thanks. Jul 02 11:36:40 still, overclocking is a bad idea Jul 02 11:36:53 DocScrutinizer: uhm, overclocking destroys your hardware? then you shouldn't clock your kernel more than what is the equivalent of the 550MhZ limit of the stock kernel Jul 02 11:36:54 D-Iivili_Work, it's not personal, I assure you :p Jul 02 11:37:08 D-Iivili_Work: basically because statements like "no problems SO FAR" make others think OC 'is safe' while indicating to the ones that really understand about the issue that you obviously don't Jul 02 11:37:36 mikki-kun: exactly Jul 02 11:37:51 DocScrutinizer: so nokia has by default your device overclocked Jul 02 11:37:56 isn't 600MHz the stock limit? Jul 02 11:38:07 600MHz is overdrive Jul 02 11:38:12 mikki-kun: but that's all been discussed ad nauseum on tmo and here and in wiki. So nothing really new Jul 02 11:38:22 MohammadAG: it is, but from what is stated at the overclocking wiki, nokia themselves say everything beyond 500 mhz is oc'ing Jul 02 11:38:23 500MHz is the normal max frequency Jul 02 11:38:23 "overclocking is bad" really depends on POV. Jul 02 11:38:35 DocScrutinizer, well.. I just said how mine has been working. I DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY WORDS LIKE: your should work also, it's safe to overclock or anything on that matter. Jul 02 11:38:58 D-Iivili_Work, what will you do if it breaks down next month? :) Jul 02 11:39:06 ShadowJK, buy a new one. Jul 02 11:39:25 D-Iivili_Work: I won't go into psychology now to explain to you what's the effect of your words to others Jul 02 11:39:44 Duckboot: got any more of those popcorns? Jul 02 11:39:53 The freaking coating on my e/3 key is wearing off. ;/ Jul 02 11:40:19 kerio: Here - I have microwaved a new bowl. Jul 02 11:40:22 ShadowJK: wanna explain what you mean with "overdrive" regarding the 600 mhz? Jul 02 11:40:44 *nom nom nom* Jul 02 11:41:24 mikki-kun, it's overclock Jul 02 11:41:29 DocScrutinizer, you seem to be a kind of person who owns the _one_and_only_right_opinion_ Jul 02 11:41:42 DocScrutinizer, pleaso go. I'd like to read some more. Jul 02 11:41:48 pleaso => please Jul 02 11:41:49 * Duckboot has atleast tried to OC every piece of hardware I laid my hands on - Not one of them has failed me before I end-of-lifed them. Jul 02 11:41:50 iirc, the lifetime of the processor is reduced by a factor 100 or something at 600 vs 500 Jul 02 11:41:52 but then i fail to see the logic with "overclocking is bad" when even nokia has it oc'ed by default Jul 02 11:42:04 D-Iivili_Work: no, I don't own it, I share it with majority of users in this channel Jul 02 11:42:11 re Jul 02 11:42:12 Though at 600, the lifetime is still slightly beyond the point at which the device is obsolete Jul 02 11:42:35 DocScrutinizer, based on what? I mean the "majority". Can you show me some sort of statistic? Jul 02 11:42:53 can we just drop the damn subject? It's getting personal now Jul 02 11:43:01 But the main question here is - Does underclocking prolong your device lifespan then? Jul 02 11:43:04 ;-P Jul 02 11:43:10 MohammadAG: not until the first "your mom" joke Jul 02 11:43:12 D-Iivili_Work: and I won't give a solo to you now. You can playback in IRC log, as well as on wiki page about OC, and in tmo as well Jul 02 11:43:17 "look i've oc-ed my cpu and it runs fine" Jul 02 11:43:20 ... Jul 02 11:43:31 Duckboot, noup. The main question on my side was: why on earth does DocScrutinizer started to call me names Jul 02 11:43:58 D-Iivili_Work: noob isn't a name! Jul 02 11:44:00 did start to call me.. fuck my english is really bad today. Jul 02 11:44:01 * Duckboot goes for some more napalm to throw at the flames \o/ Jul 02 11:44:16 *nom nom nom* Jul 02 11:44:26 DocScrutinizer: depends on how you use it... Jul 02 11:44:32 mikki-kun, word. Jul 02 11:44:42 mikki-kun: sure :-D Jul 02 11:44:48 Hi All ! Jul 02 11:44:50 if anybody is interested Jul 02 11:44:50 http://jacekowski.org/node/1 Jul 02 11:44:53 DocScrutinizer, and soon after the word "noob" came other words like "troll" etc. Jul 02 11:45:03 chromium to download Jul 02 11:45:08 And completely out of nowhere. Jul 02 11:45:10 Oh ... a first alpha of meego for n900 Jul 02 11:45:18 ouch i miss some news :) Jul 02 11:45:26 D-Iivili_Work, he said noob/troll, not both :D Jul 02 11:45:29 yeah, and here come another few: paederast, idiot, bill gates Jul 02 11:45:40 LOL Jul 02 11:45:43 MohammadAG, true. And I even had a freedom to choose one of those. Jul 02 11:45:46 if you apply any of those to you - your problem Jul 02 11:45:52 D-Iivili_Work, you chose to argue :P Jul 02 11:46:28 jacekowski: Thanks. Jul 02 11:46:38 DocScrutinizer, are you seriously now saying you didn't mean to point that to me? Jul 02 11:46:40 is it me, or is firefox 4 just a UI change Jul 02 11:46:59 jacekowski: do you also have a repo? Jul 02 11:47:09 http://xkcd.com/386/ Jul 02 11:47:17 MohammadAG: as long as xulrunner changes with FF it won't be only an UI change... Jul 02 11:47:25 D-Iivili_Work: you seem to have a serios problem with written english. I gave you the option to select one of the two Jul 02 11:47:26 MohammadAG: with worse performance Jul 02 11:47:56 hm, that get's a lil personal now really Jul 02 11:48:08 DocScrutinizer, yeah. One of the two barkins. Jul 02 11:48:12 kerio: Did you finish that popcorn? Jul 02 11:48:28 no, have at you Jul 02 11:48:35 /dcc send Duckboot popcorn Jul 02 11:48:36 DocScrutinizer, did I accidently killed your dog or something else I don't know? Really don't know what you have against me :D Jul 02 11:48:37 Thanks Jul 02 11:48:41 DocScrutinizer: tbh, your attitude towards him shows more of a negative meaning with the word noob... Jul 02 11:48:57 D-Iivili_Work: and while troll isn't always a polite callname, I really think you got even worse problems than with written english, if you consider noob to be embarrasing Jul 02 11:49:31 snapdragon is using same powervr core as omap? Jul 02 11:49:37 http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/07/02/020229/Qualcomm-Makes-Open-Source-3D-Snapdragon-Driver Jul 02 11:49:51 No they don't use powervr Jul 02 11:49:58 DocScrutinizer, well, you don't even know my experience with electronic devices, so I suggest you to find that out first before saying someone is a noob in some specific area. Jul 02 11:50:06 The snapdragon gpu is allegedly much weaker than powervr cores Jul 02 11:50:09 guys Jul 02 11:50:18 Stop bickering. Jul 02 11:50:34 * MohammadAG would ask crashanddie to quiet both DocScrutinizer and D-Iivili_Work for a minute, but... meh :p Jul 02 11:50:42 Mommy mommy, people on the internet called me a noob! Jul 02 11:51:49 D-Iivili_Work: I explained to you the concatenation of "no problems SO FAR" together with overclocking is a sufficient qualification for title noob. But if you feel any better: that was meant to the other 127 noobs coming here and saying exactly same words -not to you though, as you are clearly an expert Jul 02 11:52:50 * ENTERANICK [W2I=000:u:0:000:] Jul 02 11:53:27 I love overclocking... Jul 02 11:53:31 My desktop system. Jul 02 11:53:53 TigerTael: with adequate cooling Jul 02 11:54:00 DocScrutinizer: that is kind of a paradox you wrote there somehow Ö.ö Jul 02 11:54:02 Of course. Jul 02 11:54:25 mikki-kun: osrsly? Jul 02 11:56:00 you first say "everybody using the words 'no problems so far' with overclocking are noobs" but then you say "but for you D-Iivili_Work it's ok to say that as you are an expert"... Jul 02 11:57:15 kerio: TigerTael: I guess I don't need to elaborate to you about electromigration and the relative non-relation between electrocuting OMAP by OC, and any thermal issues found on a desktop classical processor Jul 02 11:57:42 Not at all. Jul 02 11:57:52 DocScrutinizer: don't know about that but i don't really care either, so... Jul 02 11:57:58 mikki-kun: impoooosible - what an ooopsie :-P Jul 02 11:58:04 I am well aware of the risks and have no problem putting a desktop processor under such conditions. ;] Jul 02 11:58:21 * D-Iivili_Work wonders what kind of people gets OP rights nowadays Jul 02 11:59:03 same kind as always... Jul 02 11:59:13 People who are usually on and have sound logic... ideally. Jul 02 11:59:24 D-Iivili_Work: the ones who own the channel and are either good friends with the channel-owner or a co-founder or have really showed skill in irc'ing Jul 02 11:59:26 And that line wasn't pointed to DocScrutinizer Jul 02 11:59:38 Hi, maemo on n900 really can't set network call forward? Jul 02 11:59:55 isn't there a setting in Settings -> Phone ? Jul 02 11:59:58 for call forwarding? Jul 02 12:00:06 * ShadowJK vaguely recalls an app too in extras Jul 02 12:00:22 DocScrutinizer, D-Iivili_Work and mikki-kun: I say it nicely to all of you: Please shut the hell up. Jul 02 12:00:29 after 20 seconds there's usually nothing to forward :) Jul 02 12:01:00 coffee + smoke => Jul 02 12:03:15 crashanddie, +1 Jul 02 12:03:17 s/1/q/ Jul 02 12:03:17 MohammadAG meant: crashanddie, +q Jul 02 12:03:18 :P Jul 02 12:07:06 SpeedEvil, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=737311&postcount=42 Jul 02 12:12:49 Aaaahh. Coffee. Jul 02 12:14:58 MohammadAG: YESSSS Jul 02 12:15:13 MohammadAG: Angry Birds Level Pack 2 and 3 Jul 02 12:15:41 Duckboot, but it still needs to go through QA -process which can take like six months when it's down to Nokia & OVI... Jul 02 12:15:55 D-Iivili_Work: Fact? Jul 02 12:16:25 Duckboot, well just based on the experience with Sygic :D Jul 02 12:17:14 (allthough I really don't know what happened behind the scenes. Was it Nokia or was it Sygic.) Jul 02 12:17:38 Hi, was wondering if anyone would mind helping with a dependency error I've got installing python-setuptools on the N900 please? Jul 02 12:17:49 D-Iivili_Work: I blame it on El Niño Jul 02 12:17:58 Duckboot, so just consider that centence as a bad joke or bad sarcasm attempt. Jul 02 12:18:17 D-Iivili_Work: ;-P Jul 02 12:19:52 would it be legal for nokia and maemo.org people to link to my page that links to "illegal" files? Jul 02 12:20:12 jacekowski, if it was illegal then I think google would be sued many times... Jul 02 12:23:48 :) Jul 02 12:27:46 "if it were" Jul 02 12:27:52 D-Iivili_Work: they were Jul 02 12:28:06 D-Iivili_Work: they recieved dmca notices lot of times Jul 02 12:29:03 jacekowski, really? In finland police said that "google is a browser, not a web-page" when there was case with a site that offered links to illegal content while the same pages could be found with google. Jul 02 12:31:04 D-Iivili_Work: problem is that nokia has to comply with stupid US law Jul 02 12:31:07 jacekowski: i'm missing a lib Jul 02 12:31:11 does it need extras-devel? Jul 02 12:31:16 kerio: yes Jul 02 12:31:20 jacekowski, yeah. That's understandable Jul 02 12:31:27 kerio: read what it says on that page Jul 02 12:32:30 USA seems to always cause problems Jul 02 12:32:39 i was hoping to go to defcon this year Jul 02 12:32:41 and no Jul 02 12:32:52 bitch at us consulate told me that i can't get a visa Jul 02 12:33:41 why? Jul 02 12:33:47 i don't know Jul 02 12:33:56 they don't have to tell you Jul 02 12:34:04 where are you from if you need a visa? Jul 02 12:34:07 poland Jul 02 12:34:16 i got a visa 2 years ago without any questions Jul 02 12:34:22 for a year Jul 02 12:34:30 jacekowski: you don't need a visa Jul 02 12:34:32 i do Jul 02 12:34:37 no, you don't Jul 02 12:34:39 why would you need visa from eu country? Jul 02 12:34:51 you just need the electronic waiver Jul 02 12:34:58 nope Jul 02 12:35:06 poland isn't covered under VWP Jul 02 12:35:19 http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/without/without_1990.html Jul 02 12:35:22 Which countries participate in the Visa Waiver Program (VWP)? Jul 02 12:35:52 i'll have british citizenship soon Jul 02 12:36:01 oh ok, it's easy for a finn to travel anywhere.. so didn't quite know the details Jul 02 12:36:27 - and that's quite funny - it's easier to get british citizenship than US visa Jul 02 12:36:52 because all you need to do is spend 5 years in the UK to get citizenship Jul 02 12:37:03 while visa is completly random thing Jul 02 12:37:34 have you applied for a correct type of visa then? Jul 02 12:37:38 yes Jul 02 12:37:40 B1/B2 Jul 02 12:37:50 business/travel Jul 02 12:37:55 same as i had before Jul 02 12:38:00 ok, weird things happen when having us in the loop Jul 02 12:38:01 jacekowski: that's bollocks Jul 02 12:38:08 hmm, bash-setup is not working Jul 02 12:38:19 jacekowski: what's the point of having the european union if this kind of shit isn't simplified Jul 02 12:38:44 crashanddie: eu can do fuck all to change us immigration laws Jul 02 12:39:21 pretty amazing to blame eu about us laws :) Jul 02 12:39:32 well, it is stupid Jul 02 12:39:52 at least i told the bitch what i think about it Jul 02 12:40:19 bbl Jul 02 12:40:26 i have to get something to eat Jul 02 12:42:03 hello Jul 02 12:44:27 i am trying do usb networking between my n900 and my pc , when i connect my n900 to the pc i seleted pc suite mode , then i get in my pc a usb0 device ( linux ) in my n900 i get too a usb0 device , in the n900 side i run ifup usb0 and it get configure with the ip 192.168.2.15 ( like the wiki say ) in my pc side then i configure the usb0 interface with 192.168.2.16 from the n900 i can ping the .16 address but i can not ping from the pc to the n90 Jul 02 12:44:33 any idea ? Jul 02 12:45:17 not done. Jul 02 12:45:31 Sure you've not screwed up routing, and from the n900, you're pinging the n900 Jul 02 12:45:36 tcpdump the other end Jul 02 12:46:41 maybe i am missing some route in my pc side ? Jul 02 12:47:01 if ping is returning, it must be ok Jul 02 12:47:14 in the n900 to pc is ok Jul 02 12:47:15 ping can't return without the reverse route being there Jul 02 12:47:16 pc to n900 not Jul 02 12:47:34 Sure you've not screwed up routing, and from the n900, you're pinging the n900 Jul 02 12:47:35 so the routing in the n900 side i think is OK Jul 02 12:47:43 false logic Jul 02 12:47:52 if ping works, then both routings are correct Jul 02 12:48:03 ok Jul 02 12:48:05 other stuff can be screwed up Jul 02 12:48:13 pinging by IP? Jul 02 12:48:20 yes Jul 02 12:48:36 i saw in the n900 i get a route pointing to 192.168.2.14 like default gw Jul 02 12:48:39 i delete it Jul 02 12:48:41 please note, I've just woken up, so should be ignored. Jul 02 12:48:43 but still not ping Jul 02 12:48:49 SpeedEvil: not problem Jul 02 12:49:02 hmm Jul 02 12:49:04 route add default usb0 - or whatever/ Jul 02 12:49:06 E0x: ubuntu?@ Jul 02 12:49:08 SpeedEvil: why can i install both bash and bash3? don't they conflict or something? Jul 02 12:49:15 SpeedEvil: if he can ping routing is ok Jul 02 12:49:16 jacekowski: debian Jul 02 12:49:19 E0x: iptables? Jul 02 12:49:28 jacekowski: which side ? Jul 02 12:49:28 kerio: Because a duck cannot echo. Jul 02 12:49:32 E0x: debian side Jul 02 12:49:35 na Jul 02 12:49:41 SpeedEvil: everything is perfectly clear now Jul 02 12:49:42 are you sure? Jul 02 12:49:43 fresh netinstall Jul 02 12:49:57 check it Jul 02 12:50:01 * SpeedEvil explodes in a shower of picturesqueness. Jul 02 12:50:24 hey all Jul 02 12:50:31 jacekowski: wait , let me turn it on Jul 02 12:50:34 is a netbook Jul 02 12:51:26 ups , iptables is install Jul 02 12:51:30 but none ruls Jul 02 12:51:41 routing should be ok Jul 02 12:51:45 it has to work Jul 02 12:51:52 tcpdump the other side Jul 02 12:52:04 see if you're actually pinging over the device Jul 02 12:52:12 btw in the n900 i have stock kernel of pr1.2 Jul 02 12:52:18 hey PhonicUK Jul 02 12:52:19 that's ok Jul 02 12:52:27 hey Mohammad, how's it going? Jul 02 12:52:28 show your /proc/drivers/musb_hdrc Jul 02 12:52:36 SpeedEvil: i still can't understand the duck thing Jul 02 12:52:36 jacekowski: pc side ? Jul 02 12:52:43 E0x: phone side Jul 02 12:52:57 E0x: do you have correct gadget driver loaded? Jul 02 12:53:01 E0x: g_ether? Jul 02 12:53:17 pc side g_ether Jul 02 12:53:32 or phone ? Jul 02 12:53:33 kerio: I know very little of package managment. My laptop still runs slackware - which only sort-of does it. Jul 02 12:53:39 http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/06/28/how-do-you-hold-your-nokia/ Jul 02 12:54:21 jacekowski: what i check in the msub_hdrc ? Jul 02 12:54:26 what's the teardrop? Jul 02 12:54:48 jacekowski: in the musb_hdrc i get Gadget driver = g_nokia Jul 02 12:54:55 oh, nokia 7600 Jul 02 12:54:57 woah that's ugly Jul 02 12:55:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0B_UZNtEk4 - jacekowski Jul 02 12:55:30 E0x: rmmod g_nokia Jul 02 12:55:34 E0x: modprobe g_ether Jul 02 12:55:42 E0x: or install mad developer Jul 02 12:55:46 E0x: there is nice gui for that Jul 02 12:56:44 g_nokia is in use Jul 02 12:56:57 by ssi_mcsaab_imp Jul 02 12:57:04 err Jul 02 12:57:06 by phone Jul 02 12:58:04 jacekowski: g_ether is not in my phone Jul 02 12:58:51 modprobe -l | grep g_ , none g_ether Jul 02 12:59:29 SpeedEvil: what are you saying me about the route ? Jul 02 12:59:36 o nevermind , let me scroll up Jul 02 12:59:54 E0x: install mad developer Jul 02 13:00:12 jacekowski: devel ? Jul 02 13:00:26 google Jul 02 13:00:33 i mean devel repositories ? Jul 02 13:00:39 extras-devel Jul 02 13:00:45 i don't remember Jul 02 13:00:47 ok Jul 02 13:00:50 i think so Jul 02 13:00:57 but the wiki don't say anything about mad_developer Jul 02 13:01:25 well in fac the wiki say a lot of stuff but is not like a guide Jul 02 13:01:29 of what you need do Jul 02 13:04:21 SpeedEvil: route in the n900 : 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 usb0 Jul 02 13:04:24 and another one Jul 02 13:04:36 E0x: get mad developer Jul 02 13:04:42 E0x: there is gui for everything Jul 02 13:04:44 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.14 the same... Jul 02 13:04:51 E0x: and it's not going to work without g_ether Jul 02 13:04:59 hmm Jul 02 13:05:33 now work Jul 02 13:05:44 i think the problem was the all time i have connected Jul 02 13:05:47 with the 2g Jul 02 13:06:01 now i try without connected to the 2g in the n900 Jul 02 13:06:12 i can ping from the pc to the n900 Jul 02 13:07:53 confirm Jul 02 13:08:12 i get connected with the internet in the n900 ( 2g ) Jul 02 13:08:16 and not ping Jul 02 13:08:21 from the pc Jul 02 13:18:51 jacekowski: i can't find libxss Jul 02 13:22:43 libxss-1 Jul 02 13:22:51 it's not in HAM Jul 02 13:22:56 you have to install it using apt-get Jul 02 13:24:16 shouldn't click the link to the deb suffice... Jul 02 13:25:34 jacekowski: libxss1 Jul 02 13:29:35 ok, with chromium it's 6 browsers i install Jul 02 13:29:39 in two days Jul 02 13:30:15 by the end of the year i'll have 1101 browsers Jul 02 13:32:11 ~botsnack Jul 02 13:32:11 vldcnst: :) Jul 02 13:32:27 ~nuke vldcnst Jul 02 13:32:29 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at vldcnst ... B☢☢M! Jul 02 13:32:38 Oops. My bad Jul 02 13:32:40 :P Jul 02 13:34:59 he'd never bite the hand that feeds him Jul 02 13:35:21 ~botsnack Jul 02 13:35:21 :), kerio Jul 02 13:35:31 cute Jul 02 13:39:23 what mean Host USB Network Jul 02 13:39:23 ? Jul 02 13:43:44 connecting the n900 to a pc to get network connectivity over the USB cable, i believe Jul 02 13:44:15 ok Jul 02 13:46:50 uff Jul 02 13:46:56 'ello Jul 02 13:47:13 hi. Jul 02 13:47:51 E0x, no it means you can connect stuff to th usb port Jul 02 13:48:09 oh wait Jul 02 13:52:49 afternoon all Jul 02 13:53:18 noone told me about this O_o http://elektranox.org/website/debian_on_n900.html Jul 02 13:53:19 hi, guys, my n900 won't turn on after auto-switched off on low battery. It's plugged into charger, but can't be turned on, only periodically vibrates and goes off again and again. WTF is this?! OS is fremantle. Jul 02 13:54:18 seriously, that iPhone4 reception drama is totally out of any borders of sanity :) Jul 02 13:55:47 Mostly looks like to turn on charging mechanism, N900 needs to boot into some service program on battery power! Looks pretty stupid. Is there a workaround? Jul 02 13:56:27 keep it connected to the power Jul 02 13:56:30 eventually it'll start i guess Jul 02 13:59:07 mmarc__: I did that last night too XD Jul 02 14:00:01 it finally started Jul 02 14:00:10 now it says "Not charging; Insufficient power" "battery low" Jul 02 14:00:12 -.- Jul 02 14:01:36 use the wall charger Jul 02 14:01:45 luke-jr, kerio: it is connected for... hm, more than 4 hours aleady Jul 02 14:02:10 kerio: wall charger? Jul 02 14:02:19 the one you plug in Jul 02 14:02:23 in the power outlet Jul 02 14:02:30 not the usb cable, i mean Jul 02 14:03:00 kerio: yeah, exactly what I'm using for almost 5 hours already, it soes not seem to make some change... Jul 02 14:05:02 kerio: I only have a normal USB cable, so... Jul 02 14:05:35 mmarc__: maybe try USB then XD Jul 02 14:05:42 Currently, in my rating I'd give crazest stuidness award to this situation. Nokia should stop manufacturing anything more complex than screws and pins. Jul 02 14:06:13 mmarc__: it makes sense, except that it doesn't boot off AC alone Jul 02 14:06:26 N810 will boot w/o a battery ;) Jul 02 14:12:18 luke-jr: same with the usb charger Jul 02 14:14:53 I really hope nokia does not deliver anything to medcine or rocketry. People are always dying for others' stupidness. Jul 02 14:20:41 Evenig everyone. Jul 02 14:43:29 ~ping Jul 02 14:43:30 ~pong Jul 02 14:47:41 has anybody here got meego on their N900? Jul 02 14:49:19 Maemofan, #meego Jul 02 14:50:01 ok Jul 02 14:50:52 one more question: has the plug in for sharing pics on facebook disappeared? Jul 02 14:51:09 cant find it in the repos any more Jul 02 14:51:12 nope Jul 02 14:51:39 http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/ Jul 02 14:51:48 thank you Jul 02 14:53:10 I've noticed a problem with my new package: even if my application has is present in N900 menu after installation from Application Manager, its icon is not displayed until I reboot the device. Wasn't this bug already fixed? Jul 02 14:53:51 (remove "has" from what I said before :P ) Jul 02 14:59:52 http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-party-to-run-tpb-from-parliament-010702/ Jul 02 15:07:40 how come that facebook plug in is not in my repos in app manager? Jul 02 15:08:37 por que no vale el sonido en una hp dv4 x64 Jul 02 15:13:41 last night, I dreamt I installed Facebook for Nokia, then deleted the "XMPP" account for it. only then did I realize it was going to force me to sign up for MyNokia or whatever, and got annoyed that it didn't tell me that *before* I removed the XMPP variant Jul 02 15:13:43 <.< Jul 02 15:17:13 lol Jul 02 15:20:11 eyy fellaz... if anyones interested just uploaded a guide for getting N64 emulator working Jul 02 15:20:12 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57647 Jul 02 15:21:40 seriously? Jul 02 15:21:43 N64 on a handheld? Jul 02 15:21:48 mmm Jul 02 15:21:57 none of the work is mine Jul 02 15:22:00 is it actually playable/ Jul 02 15:22:02 yep Jul 02 15:22:17 interesting Jul 02 15:22:18 fully playable for games like Mario Kart and Lylat Wars Jul 02 15:22:30 how about PS2? Jul 02 15:22:34 I actually have a PS2 game Jul 02 15:23:15 isn't ps2 a little heavier than N64? Jul 02 15:23:57 quite a bit Jul 02 15:23:57 lol probably a good 10 times harder Jul 02 15:24:02 oh :( Jul 02 15:24:15 Izzeh, I'm not really into N64 stuff, but the guide deserve a thanks either way. :) Jul 02 15:24:25 would be nice to find a way to play my PS2 game someday Jul 02 15:24:37 lol Jul 02 15:24:44 emulate it on your desktop pc Jul 02 15:24:54 pupnik_: haven't found a working emulator :/ Jul 02 15:24:58 PS2 will come one day Jul 02 15:25:03 probably not for N900.. but it will :P Jul 02 15:25:23 main thing I'm enjoying about N64 on N900 is that my PS3 sixaxis works perfectly with it Jul 02 15:25:45 are there any N64 rpgs that aren't real-time combat? Jul 02 15:26:02 soo.. do you guys have any idea where to even begin debugging my wesnoth dilemma? Jul 02 15:26:21 The dilemma being that autobuilder makes a segfaulting one while scratchbox makes a fully working one. Jul 02 15:26:45 nice Jul 02 15:27:00 I'd find out the compiler versions first Jul 02 15:27:07 then look at default build flags Jul 02 15:27:30 and see if you can force the autobuilder to not build a segfaulting version Jul 02 15:28:10 omfg Jul 02 15:28:14 my comcast goes down Jul 02 15:28:18 i call them Jul 02 15:28:24 and their system is down Jul 02 15:28:30 china is attacking! Jul 02 15:28:31 LOL Jul 02 15:28:46 Macer: nah, that's just me trying to keep you offline Jul 02 15:28:47 <.< Jul 02 15:28:56 haha Jul 02 15:29:01 ok Jul 02 15:29:04 :) Jul 02 15:29:47 so i was like Jul 02 15:29:53 lardman: so the versions of g++ or whatever it uses? Jul 02 15:29:57 can you at lest see if there is an outage Jul 02 15:30:02 mece: just gcc would be fine Jul 02 15:30:08 no... that is part of the same system Jul 02 15:30:16 so party at comcasrt i suppose Jul 02 15:30:17 mece: should/may be in the build logs actually Jul 02 15:30:32 lardman, ok will check. Jul 02 15:30:35 mece: along with the flags for that matter Jul 02 15:30:35 everybody is getting drunk because the world is ending Jul 02 15:31:49 lardman, https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/wesnoth_1.6.5-maemo7/ Jul 02 15:31:59 oooo. i think it kicked in Jul 02 15:32:16 crap Jul 02 15:33:47 cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 Jul 02 15:34:52 thanks Jul 02 15:34:55 could also be a different lib version of course, have you worked out where the segfault happens? Jul 02 15:36:10 lardman, not really, no. Jul 02 15:36:25 gdb/strace Jul 02 15:36:25 lardman, this one has the outpput Jul 02 15:36:31 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=730685&postcount=82 Jul 02 15:36:37 what does that mean? Jul 02 15:36:50 those file not found bits are irrelevant though. Jul 02 15:37:06 try using gdb and or strace on the file Jul 02 15:37:53 the xterm output ties it down a little, but I don;t know the source so can't help there Jul 02 15:40:57 hmm. libsdl is a different build... Jul 02 15:42:16 I've seen segfaults from sdl Jul 02 15:42:26 never tracked them down, just lots of parachutes Jul 02 15:42:28 ;) Jul 02 15:42:31 bbiab Jul 02 15:42:41 lardman, :) Jul 02 15:51:33 soooo, Symbian lobby is back, right? Jul 02 15:51:47 OMG Brazil out! Jul 02 15:52:00 RST38h: a who? Jul 02 15:52:16 Just noticed ya's are talking about SDL Jul 02 15:52:29 Izzeh: tees? Jul 02 15:52:35 mupen64plus input plugin requires it... is it an installable package? Jul 02 15:52:38 s/tees/yees/ Jul 02 15:52:38 mece meant: Izzeh: yees? Jul 02 15:52:47 mece: Nokia's new top mobile solutions corpse said that N-series indeed won't be using symbian^3, they will be using symbian^4 Jul 02 15:52:54 I've got in my guide to simply install Ren'Py as it installs all the correct packages Jul 02 15:53:21 RST38h: I read today smewhere that they will be using MeeGo Jul 02 15:53:40 meego "is also being considered" Jul 02 15:53:43 Izzeh: sdl is installablem, yes. Jul 02 15:53:48 RST38h: meh. Jul 02 15:54:06 Izzeh: apt-get install libsdl1.2 Jul 02 15:54:17 ah hah! thx Jul 02 15:54:38 Izzeh: usually it requires some specific sdl components too. do you have a list? Jul 02 15:55:23 none at all Jul 02 15:55:38 I'm rather hopeless.. just the middle man delivering the stuff to the noobs :P Jul 02 15:55:58 whatever is in Ren'Py appears to make it work perfectly Jul 02 15:56:55 actually now you mention it.. derp... Jul 02 15:57:05 ren'py appears to install libsdl-ttf2.0-0 Jul 02 15:57:11 does that sound like all that would be required? Jul 02 15:59:36 Izzeh: possibly. Jul 02 16:00:01 Izzeh: I usually go trial and error on these. Jul 02 16:00:34 yeah I am now.. its taking a very, very long time to uninstall Jul 02 16:05:11 awesome works fine Jul 02 16:05:18 is the contacts merger dev here? Jul 02 16:05:23 No more installing 60 mb file to get 3 mb emu working Jul 02 16:10:04 "There has also been some confusion about Symbian and Nseries. The Nokia N8 will be our only Nseries device on Symbian^3. Of course, we never comment on future products, but a Symbian^4 Nseries device is a strong possibility. A very strong possibility" Jul 02 16:10:54 mass panic will follow Jul 02 16:11:16 RST38h: my comment: "nokia, ............ and ...... and thank you for cooperation" Jul 02 16:13:11 hrw: They do not care Jul 02 16:13:29 I know Jul 02 16:13:42 they stopped caring few years ago Jul 02 16:13:48 if did even then Jul 02 16:14:01 "As Symbian gears up to compete with the likes of iPhone and Android, MeeGo is taking clear aim at the computing space." Jul 02 16:14:12 too bad for them that they forgot to look at market Jul 02 16:14:20 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jul 02 16:14:52 RST38h: in 2012 maybe meego will have some part of market. or will be forgotten like maemo looks Jul 02 16:14:53 Corpses live in their own world. Jul 02 16:15:18 It is a miracle they do manage to make a successful decision every now and then Jul 02 16:15:48 as long as S40 phones sell nokia will not die Jul 02 16:16:13 and I think that this is their best line of systems for phones. Jul 02 16:17:04 s40 is sweet. Jul 02 16:17:25 either way, did any of you try the latest meego release already? Jul 02 16:18:11 not worth it Jul 02 16:18:17 but some people did Jul 02 16:19:27 if I make a simple qt app for fremantle, that thing should run on the latest meego too? Jul 02 16:20:18 if you will rebuild it then in theory should Jul 02 16:20:30 assuming it doesn't use hw related stuff Jul 02 16:21:09 healthcheck for example might only load the ui Jul 02 16:21:44 mece: current meego has no connectivity Jul 02 16:21:54 mece: so you won't be able to get your app there Jul 02 16:22:20 RST38h: can't it mount the emmc? Jul 02 16:22:54 healthcheck is pyqt though. don't think there's pyqt for meego yet. Jul 02 16:23:38 bye Jul 02 16:23:41 not what i meant Jul 02 16:26:20 i tried couple of Qt examples today on the latest meego release, atleast they worked Jul 02 16:32:55 lardman, ping? Jul 02 16:33:04 pong Jul 02 16:34:08 lardman: ok so the difference when compiling is that autobuilder uses the flags -g -O2 and scratchbox omits those in the arm-linux-gnueabi-g++ commands. Jul 02 16:34:34 if you add those in for the sb compilation do you also end up with a segfault? Jul 02 16:34:49 gonna try that now.. Jul 02 16:35:20 optimisations can and do go wrong... Jul 02 16:38:23 i can't connect to msn Jul 02 16:38:30 is this a server problem? Jul 02 16:38:50 mece: am off home now, should be on later, otherwise I imagine there are other people around who can point you in the right direction Jul 02 16:38:51 i'm using the "additional protocols for communications" plugin Jul 02 16:39:08 in any case good luck, segfaults are a pita to track down sometimes ;) Jul 02 16:39:15 bye all Jul 02 16:46:09 * SpeedEvil got really excited for a moment. Jul 02 16:46:27 I'd installed about 30 apps from extras-testing without paying too much attention to their names. Jul 02 16:46:47 good for you... ;) Jul 02 16:46:50 Then on coming back - I saw an image of a running app on my desktop! Jul 02 16:47:04 gah how do I force a CFLAG when building with debian/rules? Jul 02 16:47:07 I'd been wanting this as a means of switching for a while. Jul 02 16:47:21 then I realised it was a screenshot and a desktop photo app. Jul 02 16:47:24 * RST38h got desperate about FBreader tap paging and decided to turn pages with a finger drag rather than a finger tap Jul 02 16:47:32 RST38h: err - why Jul 02 16:47:36 RST38h: it just works Jul 02 16:47:37 Seems to be the only semireliable way to do it on N900 Jul 02 16:47:42 it does not Jul 02 16:47:46 RST38h: That is - if you set the thresholds right Jul 02 16:47:48 wfm Jul 02 16:47:57 It would, if N900 could make a difference between finger and nail Jul 02 16:48:00 but it does not Jul 02 16:48:17 and no thresholds are unreliable Jul 02 16:48:27 I just set it so any tap at all makes it change page Jul 02 16:49:35 Ehehehehe Jul 02 16:49:44 SpeedEvil: this breaks book selection from a list Jul 02 16:50:11 webreading.ru <-- check out the roman letters =) Jul 02 16:50:58 I like to use the volume keys w/ fbreader Jul 02 16:51:13 makes one-handed reading easier Jul 02 16:51:33 Depends how you hold it Jul 02 16:51:42 in some orientations, volume keys are annoying Jul 02 16:51:45 SpeedEvil: Mr Jobs is that you? Jul 02 16:51:54 I wish. Jul 02 16:52:03 yeah but fbreader can't do portrait, right? Jul 02 16:52:11 If I was, apple would be taking a _radically_ new approach. Jul 02 16:52:14 greenfly: yes, it can Jul 02 16:52:18 oooo Jul 02 16:52:32 * greenfly tries Jul 02 16:52:33 Or - rather - the content can Jul 02 16:52:38 there is a rotate button Jul 02 16:52:48 SpeedEvil: a radically new approach off the edge of a cliff I hope ;) Jul 02 16:53:01 Of course, two orientations are somewhat broken by the pop-out-button Jul 02 16:53:12 alterego: As in open source the OS Jul 02 16:53:33 * alterego has a sudden day dream of Steve Jobs as Willie Wonka inviting his potential successors into the wonderful Apple factory. Jul 02 16:53:36 and push APIs for better multitasking Jul 02 16:53:41 Apple opensources its OS Jul 02 16:53:47 short little fat guys fanbois as umpalumpas Jul 02 16:53:49 Darwin is open source Jul 02 16:54:00 yes Jul 02 16:54:02 i know Jul 02 16:54:04 NetBSD is open source :) Jul 02 16:54:48 RST38h: personally, I would be quite happy for click anywhere but on a link to move the page, and click on the link to activate it Jul 02 16:55:00 swiping would be annoyinh Jul 02 16:55:01 Admit it, you all just envy Steve Jobs for his great success in revolutionizing mobile computing! Jul 02 16:55:16 * RST38h quickly finds a large tree and climbs it Jul 02 16:55:37 SpeedEvil: it is more complicated than that =( Jul 02 16:55:41 He clearly has Jul 02 16:56:47 Much as Mao revolutionised the book format. Jul 02 16:58:52 RST38h: actually, I want to be Steve Jobs so I can go down in history for inventing Video calling, really cool engineering antennas and inventing the Phone. Jul 02 17:00:40 I'm actually thinking of emailling Mr Jobs for some reason. Jul 02 17:01:30 Dear Mr. Jobs, Jul 02 17:01:33 O hai Jul 02 17:01:36 regards, Jul 02 17:01:39 alterego Jul 02 17:01:45 You know those "Setup compliant" wifi routers, god damn they're a pain in the ass :) Jul 02 17:02:02 yeah lol, i have two Jul 02 17:02:22 Dear Mr Jobs, O hai. Vote for my app plix!?!? Yours, AppleManEgo Jul 02 17:03:55 Also, did you read the latest on iFail 4's signal issue ... Apparently their algorithm for calculating signal is wrong and adds bars when in low signal areas ... Jul 02 17:04:47 Expect a patch that will be out in a couple of weeks which will make everyones iFail 4's have 0 signal 100% of the time :) Jul 02 17:05:41 God damnit I'm hungry .. Jul 02 17:07:25 have you seen the screen of the ip4 irl? Jul 02 17:07:49 pexi: no, I would like to see one tbh. Jul 02 17:08:21 yeah, me too Jul 02 17:08:53 htc desire screen was pretty nice (w/o sunlight) Jul 02 17:09:03 I want to compare it to the N900's screen. Jul 02 17:09:32 and n900 screen looked pretty lame... until you got out of the building :) Jul 02 17:09:46 I used Android on a desire yesterday, slow, buggy .. It crashed twice in my hands and I had to pull the battery to restart it. Jul 02 17:10:07 Not impressed tbh. Jul 02 17:10:31 Maybe it's some kind of charge the N900 gives me that breaks others' handsets :) Jul 02 17:10:32 I liked it though it tried to kill me when some acc based actions activated during driving Jul 02 17:10:40 Hahah Jul 02 17:10:51 do you guys know if there's a way to order the single details in a contact? Jul 02 17:11:02 They're also really sensitive, I magaed to mute it by just holding the frame .. Jul 02 17:11:05 ofc writing was impossible with the touch screen Jul 02 17:11:08 alterego, it's jaw dropping. Jul 02 17:11:20 GAN900: iPhone screen? Jul 02 17:11:26 Although the font choice on the browser looks weird at high DPI Jul 02 17:11:31 Yeah Jul 02 17:11:39 I need one of those on the N9 Jul 02 17:11:45 It's seriously unreal. Jul 02 17:11:46 Cool, I might get one as a picture frame then. :) Jul 02 17:12:12 If only it was open ... Jul 02 17:12:14 :D Jul 02 17:12:24 it "kinda" is Jul 02 17:12:54 GAN900: did you have a look at the camera? is it as good as Nokia's Carl Zeiss? Jul 02 17:13:17 Dunno, haven't bothered snapping any shots yet. Jul 02 17:13:27 phone cameras are the same Jul 02 17:13:28 they all suck Jul 02 17:13:29 Oh, you actually have one? Jul 02 17:13:30 The software is so goddamn boring Jul 02 17:13:36 Hahah Jul 02 17:13:43 alterego, my mother pre-ordered one for herself Jul 02 17:13:50 Oh, ... Jul 02 17:13:54 kerio, but each one sucks to a different degree Jul 02 17:13:55 the problem is not the sensor Jul 02 17:13:59 it's the optics Jul 02 17:14:00 * alterego shudders, Jul 02 17:14:10 you need *space* for a good camera Jul 02 17:14:17 So no matter how cool the hardware is, it's just as tiresome as a featue phone after a couple days. Jul 02 17:14:25 kerio: I'm sure we're all very aware of the short falls of micro photography :P Jul 02 17:14:38 alterego: good point Jul 02 17:14:40 Same with the iPad Jul 02 17:14:42 GAN900: so what it looks pretty! Jul 02 17:14:45 GAN900: but it has a lot of cool apps Jul 02 17:14:47 ;) Jul 02 17:14:50 N8 camera is pretty good Jul 02 17:15:17 for instance, the iphone has a native port of robot unicorn attack, which is unplayable on the n900 Jul 02 17:15:18 :( Jul 02 17:15:31 The N96 camera, was better slightly than the N95 8G, N900 not as good but useable. Jul 02 17:16:20 Ooo, will the iFail 4 blend?!? Jul 02 17:16:27 alterego: they already did that Jul 02 17:16:29 i think Jul 02 17:16:38 yup Jul 02 17:16:41 i remember that some pocket camera had vertical zoom optics inside the camera and it was pretty compact Jul 02 17:16:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLreo24WYeQ Jul 02 17:17:01 that kind of solution could be possible.. maybe Jul 02 17:17:02 alterego, imo the N95-1 had the best 5MP camera Jul 02 17:17:11 N86 8MP Jul 02 17:17:25 12MP, never owned one in a phone Jul 02 17:18:09 alterego: you know, the iphone 4 *is* pretty sturdy Jul 02 17:18:57 at holding signals, yes, it's just epic Jul 02 17:18:59 and magical Jul 02 17:19:38 I didn't quite believe in n8 camera.. but to be honest, it's pretty great camera for to be a phone Jul 02 17:20:07 megapixels can be lies. Jul 02 17:20:11 not to say that n900 is bad, it's also very sufficient for most people Jul 02 17:20:20 yes - there are that number of optical pixels in the camera. Jul 02 17:20:22 SpeedEvil, who cares, photos are great anyway :) Jul 02 17:20:23 the cool thing about cameraphones is geotagging Jul 02 17:20:25 No, they cannot be resolved Jul 02 17:20:40 that's something you don't get in low-end cameras Jul 02 17:20:49 (even if they make *much* better photos than cameraphones) Jul 02 17:20:49 kerio, agreed Jul 02 17:21:01 Wow, it did put up a fight .. Jul 02 17:21:03 ooh there's abiword in extras-devel Jul 02 17:21:18 It's great for this sort of pic http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4711980083/ Jul 02 17:21:28 Plenty of light, not challenging conditions. Jul 02 17:21:42 Though it's actually got surprisingly better in 1.2 firmware in low light Jul 02 17:22:09 guys look at my awesome garden, yours'll never be better Jul 02 17:22:49 and that's sad because it's true :'( Jul 02 17:23:31 alterego, fight, where? Jul 02 17:23:52 kerio: This is 99.5% my mums work. Jul 02 17:24:10 I have _no_clue_ what most of the flowers are. I'm up to about 20 weeds though. Jul 02 17:24:25 well, to be fair my father's garden is way cooler as it isn't a garden Jul 02 17:24:30 it has a lot of trees Jul 02 17:24:37 kerio, well, the thruth is that most people take random pics with random quality with any camera just to upload them to facebook *hooray* Jul 02 17:24:54 yeah Jul 02 17:24:55 Surfa: and the n900 works great for that Jul 02 17:24:56 so basically the camera is not an issue for most photographers :) Jul 02 17:25:05 It can be frustrating when you'd actually like a nice cam. Jul 02 17:25:20 i still haven't found a way to sync tags and geotags to iphoto btw :( Jul 02 17:26:13 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/3618667767/ - for example - I'd have loved a better dynamic range on that shot Jul 02 17:27:08 One of the occasions HDR would have been useful Jul 02 17:29:59 I wonder what the MeeGo Conference is going to look like. Jul 02 17:30:11 Lot of corporate TLAs in all of the material so far. Jul 02 17:30:48 SpeedEvil: have you tried the blessn900 app? Jul 02 17:31:03 It's supposed to do HDR "in camera" Jul 02 17:31:36 which doesn't work due to "low memory" Jul 02 17:31:36 hey guys. Jul 02 17:32:07 blizzow: it sounds amazing on paper Jul 02 17:32:12 MohammadAG51: I've gotten a couple of updates for blessn900 and I don't get that message anymore. Jul 02 17:32:14 i'll try it Jul 02 17:32:26 GAN900: That is obviously the sign of Meego's maturity and serious business relevance! Jul 02 17:32:44 clearly Jul 02 17:32:46 * RST38h checks that he is still sitting on a really high tree Jul 02 17:32:49 Just in case Jul 02 17:32:57 isn't the N8 guaranteed to not be maemo-powered? Jul 02 17:32:58 blizzow, oh, i just uninstalled it as it plays with the cam driver Jul 02 17:33:12 kerio, symbian^3 Jul 02 17:33:12 kerio: one word: HAMSTERS. Jul 02 17:33:42 has anyone here tried to connect through an http proxy to one of the messenger services on the n900? i set the systemwide proxy (which is working) but icq and skype both connect if the proxy is down, which leads me to believe they are not using the proxy at all. Jul 02 17:34:06 GAN900: :) yeah it'll be all corporate and then the occasional brown nose money sucking hacker... ;) Jul 02 17:34:24 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=718 <---this bug here talks only about jabber Jul 02 17:34:25 Bug 718: Supporting Jabber through proxy Jul 02 17:35:11 oh well, so all protocols are affected, not only jabber? Jul 02 17:35:49 wait a minute, povbot is a damn bot, isn't he? Jul 02 17:36:28 yes Jul 02 17:36:58 i was just about to talk to him Jul 02 17:38:57 hillbicks: /msg povbot asl? Care to meet me for a beer ina pub later on tonight! Jul 02 17:39:11 :P Jul 02 17:39:58 *g* Jul 02 17:41:11 hm, i kinda regret having all these contacts on my phone that only have IM data Jul 02 17:41:15 how's pidgin? Jul 02 17:41:23 ? Jul 02 17:41:27 why pidgin Jul 02 17:41:32 go for msn pecan Jul 02 17:41:35 kerio: if you access the phone, it only shows callable people... Jul 02 17:41:44 also Jul 02 17:41:54 do merge phone contacts w/ msn contacts Jul 02 17:41:57 and it has a nicer contact chooser for one-handed calling operation Jul 02 17:42:03 and yeah, get the contact merger too Jul 02 17:42:12 on handed operation... >:) Jul 02 17:42:14 i have the contact merger Jul 02 17:42:27 it's just that i have a lot of people i only have IM data for Jul 02 17:42:37 and i'm not using pecan, i'm using butterfly as of now Jul 02 17:43:01 fuck yeah Jul 02 17:43:13 with a *crapload* of other protocols from libpurple Jul 02 17:43:16 including msn haze Jul 02 17:43:28 i connected to on of our servers by rdesktop on n900 Jul 02 17:43:58 connected from there to an other server Jul 02 17:44:07 modal windows suck btw Jul 02 17:44:18 then sshd to our main server and rebooted it! Jul 02 17:45:00 I just took these - Regular Image with the N900: http://imgur.com/zFSCD.jpg HDR with blessn900 - http://imgur.com/stM3X.jpg Jul 02 17:45:03 GAN900: So, what do you think about flipping pages with a finger drag in FBReader? Jul 02 17:45:18 RST38h, meh Jul 02 17:45:20 blizzow: the first one looks... better Jul 02 17:45:23 GAN900: So far, it is the only solution I can offer Jul 02 17:45:26 the only reliable one Jul 02 17:45:29 Probably iPhone users will like it Jul 02 17:45:41 ah screw the iphone users Jul 02 17:45:51 Solving a real problem here Jul 02 17:45:52 I like the volume rocker myself, though Jul 02 17:46:04 N900 is unable to tell difference between finger ans stylus Jul 02 17:46:12 so tap-on-finger-only does not work and will no Jul 02 17:46:28 Maemo5 gtk+ does not appear to report double-click and triple-click Jul 02 17:46:32 so, no luck there Jul 02 17:46:41 the only idea I have left is dragging your finger Jul 02 17:46:49 as if turning a page with it Jul 02 17:47:10 adding it as an option as we speak Jul 02 17:47:11 RST38h, n900 does have pressure data and could be calibrated to detect a smudged stroke instead of more accurate tap Jul 02 17:47:19 lcuk: I tried. Jul 02 17:47:24 the n800 had the code, perhaps you could dig out the function Jul 02 17:47:25 lcuk: it does not work reliably. Jul 02 17:47:34 yeah it didnt on 810 either Jul 02 17:47:43 * lcuk mentioned this a long time ago Jul 02 17:47:44 lcuk: if it does not work reliably, you cannot use it Jul 02 17:47:51 i know Jul 02 17:47:58 lcuk: turning pages with unreliable functionality like that is going to drive you mad Jul 02 17:48:06 * RST38h needs a bullet proof method Jul 02 17:48:52 blizzow: is it just me? Jul 02 17:48:58 the first photo looks better than the second Jul 02 17:49:02 RST38h, not me Jul 02 17:49:06 i have book reader that works Jul 02 17:49:21 liquibase? =) Jul 02 17:49:23 pages by hardware key, autoscrolling and pretty kinetics Jul 02 17:49:40 oh, and tearfree portrait :) Jul 02 17:49:54 * RST38h is pretty sure lcuk's reader won't do .fb2 Jul 02 17:50:11 maybe not yet, but it will when someone adds support for it Jul 02 17:50:28 aha, never Jul 02 17:51:13 meh, doesnt bother me i read now and worry about other formats later Jul 02 17:51:16 ie: wfm Jul 02 17:51:35 how long is garage down for Jul 02 17:51:44 is there a way to mass-remove nicknames from the contact list? Jul 02 17:51:50 RST38h, http://liqbase.net/20100626_003.mp4 Jul 02 17:53:45 Fun, fun: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/7866823/MI5-investigates-KGB-father-of-Russian-spy.html Jul 02 17:53:57 Telegraph delivers, again Jul 02 18:00:48 RST38h, doh Jul 02 18:00:58 can anyone share ramzez for the n810 with me Jul 02 18:03:28 wtf is that Jul 02 18:04:01 its a compressed swap file in ram Jul 02 18:04:16 garage is down Jul 02 18:05:41 smackpotato: you mean ramzswap? Jul 02 18:06:43 yess i think it might be called that i thing there are three downloads altogether Jul 02 18:07:09 thing=think Jul 02 18:07:14 smackpotato: you need to give up numerous functions of the hardware to get ramzswap Jul 02 18:07:17 such as GPS Jul 02 18:07:47 so there are disadvantages? Jul 02 18:08:31 i could do without gps Jul 02 18:08:51 I *think* GPS is the only major loss Jul 02 18:08:57 no idea if Maemo works with it Jul 02 18:09:31 ok ill read some more Jul 02 18:09:39 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55508 Jul 02 18:24:00 why does ./configure ignore CFLAGS="something" ? Jul 02 18:24:37 Mece: why wouldn't it? Jul 02 18:24:47 maybe you mean to do CFLAGS="something" ./configure Jul 02 18:25:32 luke-jr, well.. perhaps. Jul 02 18:25:43 luke-jr, I'll check Jul 02 18:27:48 well... there are CFLAGS defined in rules, but they are never used, and they are required to make this work. Jul 02 18:34:52 http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/02/the-fightback-starts-now/ this is why we can't have nice things Jul 02 18:35:02 "Symbian is our platform of choice for Nokia smartphones." Jul 02 18:36:42 :( Jul 02 18:36:51 WHAT ABOUT MAEMO YOU ASSHOLES Jul 02 18:37:14 that wasn't my point, but nod Jul 02 18:37:20 he's tossing meego under the bus Jul 02 18:38:09 kerio: Maemo was killed quite some time ago Jul 02 18:38:31 luke-jr: then... hmm... WHAT ABOUT MEEGO YOU ASSHOLES Jul 02 18:38:37 there Jul 02 18:38:37 MeeGo always sucked Jul 02 18:38:37 :) Jul 02 18:39:03 so... why did i buy a n900 then? :/ Jul 02 18:39:55 because it is AWESOME? Jul 02 18:40:07 oh right Jul 02 18:40:09 ;) Jul 02 18:40:11 kerio: no idea ;) Jul 02 18:40:22 kerio: perhaps you want to run KDE and Gentoo Jul 02 18:40:58 nah, easy debian is enough Jul 02 18:41:28 konfoo: this is their marketing thing, their N series aren't smartphones, they're mobile computers Jul 02 18:41:30 btw, the script i edited because i was running the extras version can be edited back to the default now that i'm running the extras-devel version? Jul 02 18:42:14 robot: a great way to confuse themselves and the marketplace Jul 02 18:44:09 n900 - how can i see the dBm of the mobile signal? Jul 02 18:44:23 hello Jul 02 18:44:36 hello Jul 02 18:44:56 do you know manycam for windows? is there anything like that for n900 Jul 02 18:45:29 that can play videos as webcam? Jul 02 18:52:58 x-fade, ping? Jul 02 18:53:07 somebody have this too? Jul 02 18:53:08 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10851 Jul 02 18:53:09 Bug 10851: Alway Portrait Mode Phone app not work Jul 02 18:53:45 and they still haven't said what OS they'll use on the Communicators Jul 02 18:53:50 or if there'll even be another Communicator :) Jul 02 18:55:34 E0x: yup Jul 02 18:57:07 kerio: that make lost a few call Jul 02 18:58:17 people actually make phone calls? :O Jul 02 18:58:55 can i uninstall the kernel-power-flasher? Jul 02 18:59:10 the "uninstall kernel" icon is annoying Jul 02 19:06:21 r Jul 02 19:06:44 is there any way to make directories in the menu? Jul 02 19:06:49 Anyone got a screenshot of that Blue Sky Theme that just came today to the extra repos? The theme has custom transitions and custom icons. Would love to see a screenshot. Jul 02 19:06:54 kerio, any luck with charging? Jul 02 19:06:59 mmarc__: ? Jul 02 19:07:13 well, i just charged it Jul 02 19:07:16 like, right now Jul 02 19:07:17 :D Jul 02 19:07:56 how long it took you to? Jul 02 19:08:21 dunno... couple of hours? Jul 02 19:08:24 kerio: and was it vibrating all time when charging? Jul 02 19:08:26 no Jul 02 19:08:40 i think you're mistaking me for someone else Jul 02 19:09:08 oops, yeah, luke-jr! Jul 02 19:09:21 sorry Jul 02 19:10:10 luke-jr: have you succeeded with charging? Jul 02 19:10:40 DrGrov: Why not just install it? Jul 02 19:14:57 SpeedEvil: what settings do you use for xchat? Jul 02 19:15:16 umm... Jul 02 19:15:18 Lots Jul 02 19:15:24 mmarc__: I had when we spoke earlier Jul 02 19:15:41 http://qkwv.com/xchat.png it looks like Jul 02 19:16:03 font? Jul 02 19:17:21 nokia sans semibold 14 Jul 02 19:19:15 yay n900 Jul 02 19:19:30 this setup looks fine Jul 02 19:20:59 should i install the system tray? Jul 02 19:26:07 hi, how can I see the version on software of my nokia 3120C? Jul 02 19:26:24 *#0000# Jul 02 19:27:08 same as every nokia device Jul 02 19:28:14 thanks a lot Jul 02 19:28:18 hehe, the usual *#RST0# doesn't work on the n900 Jul 02 19:32:46 kerio, can I get the same in numbers? Jul 02 19:36:29 the usual reset combinations for nokia phones are *#7780# as for *#RST0# and *#7370# for *#RES0# Jul 02 19:36:52 what do they reset? Jul 02 19:37:00 soft reset/hard reset Jul 02 19:37:13 is there a code to find out your own number? Jul 02 19:37:29 there's no way to reset from the n900 itself Jul 02 19:37:31 you need to reflash Jul 02 19:41:16 ds3: I don't think it's possible for phone to know its own number normally Jul 02 19:41:42 * Mece is drivin his boat.. Jul 02 19:41:45 Besides, my sim card has multiple numbers Jul 02 19:41:48 ShadowJK: sure it is.... the smaller Nokia phones have a magic number figure it out; the Palm Treo's show it in About phone Jul 02 19:41:50 primary DN Jul 02 19:42:06 ds3: I suspect that's a STK thing? Jul 02 19:42:15 STK? Jul 02 19:42:20 Sim ToolKit Jul 02 19:42:41 oh, might be... not sure how it works; I thought it might be USSD but *shrug* Jul 02 19:42:43 the sim can contain software for the phone to execute, N900 doesn't do it Jul 02 19:43:02 Well what's the magic number anyway? Jul 02 19:43:10 I have some older nokia too Jul 02 19:43:19 I donno, the dealer won't tell me Jul 02 19:43:35 I know it is there because I pay my bill in person and donno my own number Jul 02 19:46:01 is it safe to update hildon-initscripts? it wants to remove the package "mp-fremantle-generic-pr" in the process which doesn't sound very safe... Jul 02 19:46:17 you can't SSU Jul 02 19:47:13 every time I do "apt-get upgrade" it says install of hildon-initscripts is hold back Jul 02 19:47:27 and I wanted to update it so that I don't see that message every time :) Jul 02 19:47:54 apt-get upgrade hildon-initscripts ? Jul 02 19:48:03 what would it tell you Jul 02 19:48:26 doh, x terminal has a 79x25 size apparently :/ Jul 02 19:49:10 Surfa: "The following packages have been kept back: hildon-initscripts" Jul 02 19:49:14 what fond should i use to get a 80x24-ish size? Jul 02 19:49:17 font Jul 02 19:51:58 kerio: there is some info in the roguelike game discussions on talk.maermo.org Jul 02 19:52:38 link pls? Jul 02 19:53:32 ToJa92, hmm, with debian it could have been dist-upgrade that upgraded those packages.. but I'm not really sure what it does on maemo Jul 02 19:53:37 i'd just have to search talk.maemo.org for angband, zangband terminal size Jul 02 19:55:17 Surfa: Guess I'll just ignore it Jul 02 19:55:29 better than trying to resolve it myself Jul 02 19:55:35 it'll probably end bad Jul 02 19:57:27 what terminal is this? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=503482&postcount=2 Jul 02 20:01:37 is there a way to start a connection with the terminal? Jul 02 20:03:00 to where? Jul 02 20:03:07 what connection? Jul 02 20:03:20 well, the autoconnection Jul 02 20:03:33 someone should port xnethack to Maemo :) Jul 02 20:03:35 I need my tiles Jul 02 20:03:43 Ikarus: DIE IN HELL BLASPHEMER Jul 02 20:03:47 kerio: :P Jul 02 20:03:48 ;) Jul 02 20:04:08 i meant the same menu i get by tapping the status area and choosing "Internet connection" Jul 02 20:05:00 kerio: yes there is Jul 02 20:05:03 it's a DBus message Jul 02 20:05:09 that triggers that thing Jul 02 20:05:19 (browser and the like use it aswell Jul 02 20:05:43 (what font is Monospace? a separate font, newcourier or nimbus mono?) Jul 02 20:06:11 Ikarus: what message? how can i trigger it? Jul 02 20:06:52 kerio: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Maemo_Connectivity#Connectivity_UI Jul 02 20:07:06 show_conn_dlg Jul 02 20:08:06 hmm... what about the specified autoconnection? Jul 02 20:08:33 i mean, microB doesn't ask me if i can reach my wifi network Jul 02 20:09:41 kerio: I have no idea, perhaps the dialog doesn't show in that case, or it uses some of the earlier stuff to see if it has a connection already Jul 02 20:11:17 aw, there's no preinstalled font that gives me a 80x24 terminal :( Jul 02 20:12:53 i can't believe this... 79x25 Jul 02 20:12:56 :/ Jul 02 20:13:44 lol Jul 02 20:14:46 i guess i could run a 80x24 screen from my server and use that Jul 02 20:15:00 i'd lose one character though :( Jul 02 20:18:46 http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/1633/70.817/ bahaha Jul 02 20:24:11 kerio: You want to install the Droid Fonts anyway - much nicer monospace font Jul 02 20:31:23 yawn Jul 02 20:31:28 want my Console font? Jul 02 20:31:36 based on the one by the same name included in KDE 3 :p Jul 02 20:33:29 how do you install fonts, anyway? Jul 02 20:35:04 is there a way to make the terminal be white text on black background instead of black text on white background on maemo 5 Jul 02 20:35:17 OK so I've read that USB host mode is coming in a kernel now being developed... so I'm gonna get one of those micro USB to female USB adapters ready for when the kernel module is released Jul 02 20:35:27 Don't suppose anyone here has it working and knows how well it works? Jul 02 20:35:39 (at least so far) Jul 02 20:35:46 Lantizia, do those adapters cost a lot? Jul 02 20:35:55 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/230493262010 Jul 02 20:36:06 jd, £3.40 <-- so no :) Jul 02 20:36:11 not bad Jul 02 20:36:13 i'm going to order one Jul 02 20:36:28 the new kernel module isn't ready yet however Jul 02 20:36:33 Lantizia: don't assume they'll work Jul 02 20:36:42 luke-jr, I know about the power constraints Jul 02 20:36:50 luke-jr, or are you getting at something else? Jul 02 20:37:01 Lantizia: I'm thinking the OTG wiring requirements and such Jul 02 20:37:24 luke-jr, I haven't seen anything about that, just read there is a modified kernel in testing that does it all Jul 02 20:37:31 all in software Jul 02 20:37:45 dunno, I'd want something hardware Jul 02 20:37:54 so I can continue charging while using it Jul 02 20:37:54 why? Jul 02 20:38:07 a hub that proxies host mode to the N900 or such Jul 02 20:38:30 that is, puts N900 in device-mode so it charges, yet provides a USB hub to it also Jul 02 20:38:38 http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://maemos.ru/2010/06/07/usb-host-usb-otg/&sl=auto&tl=en Jul 02 20:40:00 for ages the categorical answer was... NO WAY Jul 02 20:40:07 now there is at least some how Jul 02 20:40:09 *hope Jul 02 20:40:14 so it's either a low-power device or a powered hub Jul 02 20:40:20 yup Jul 02 20:40:59 lame in both cases :( Jul 02 20:41:32 it'd be fine if someone hands you a USB pen out'n'about that you need a few files from - you can give it them straight back Jul 02 20:42:13 I wonder if a small optical mouse would run off it - good for games Jul 02 20:42:59 like the kind you buy for laptops Jul 02 20:43:16 hmm, i bet they require too much power Jul 02 20:45:53 do i need to reboot after installing the droid fonts? Jul 02 20:47:33 I wonder if a small optical mouse would run off it - good for games <-- yes Jul 02 20:47:47 no need for a powered hub for that Jul 02 20:47:50 o/ crashanddie Jul 02 20:47:58 MohammadAG, cool - have you got the host mode working? Jul 02 20:48:16 on my device yes, on others' devices, no Jul 02 20:48:26 MohammadAG, and by your device you mean an N900 ? Jul 02 20:48:39 Lantizia, yes, my device only, for some unknown reason Jul 02 20:48:57 MohammadAG, can you confirm what is needed is only software changes not hardware? Jul 02 20:49:02 I copied a 2GB file for a friend before my exam started at the british council Jul 02 20:49:12 software, I wouldn't know how to do hardware changes :p Jul 02 20:49:34 ok cool, know where I can go to try it out? or should I wait for it to land in extras-devel? Jul 02 20:50:20 wait, as I said only I can do it for some reason Jul 02 20:50:24 \o MohammadAG Jul 02 20:50:26 huh Jul 02 20:50:32 what do you mean? Jul 02 20:50:36 just replicate the steps on another device Jul 02 20:50:40 he has magic fingers Jul 02 20:50:50 I've been completely stiched by the french banking system Jul 02 20:50:50 kerio, yes, it doesn't work on other devices Jul 02 20:51:02 kerio, same steps/files Jul 02 20:51:07 Jul 02 20:51:17 MohammadAG, hardware revision slightly different? different factory? Jul 02 20:51:34 US device, can't see anything special about it Jul 02 20:51:48 mysterious Jul 02 20:52:00 are the steps published anyway in case someone gets lucky? Jul 02 20:52:08 like that russian guy has it working Jul 02 20:53:35 that doesn't seem logical Jul 02 20:53:38 at all Jul 02 20:53:53 aaaarrrhhhhh!! just spent 5 hours setting up ubuntu on my N900.. then it suddenly acts funny, have to reboot, and now the filesystem on the mmc is #$%!* up so i vane to start all over :P Jul 02 20:54:16 *have Jul 02 20:54:20 Yes Tuvok Jul 02 20:54:44 b-man, have a guide for that? Jul 02 20:55:06 Lantizia: it's a work in progress - no guide yet Jul 02 20:55:17 b-man: a proper ubuntu system or a chroot? Jul 02 20:55:25 a proper system Jul 02 20:55:27 b-man, cool... I take it it's the latest one they did for arm 9.04 ? Jul 02 20:55:36 wait, as a selfbooting OS? Jul 02 20:55:39 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=697172&postcount=1032 Jul 02 20:55:50 Lantizia: i did that one ;) Jul 02 20:55:55 Mohammadag, why are these CFLAGS in rules ignored? Jul 02 20:56:03 b-man, you did what? Jul 02 20:56:21 b-man, haha, told ya, same happened to me Jul 02 20:56:22 ported Ubuntu 9.04 to the N800/N810 Jul 02 20:56:39 b-man, no I'm on about Ubuntu Mobile stopped at 9.04 anyway Jul 02 20:56:42 kerio: yup Jul 02 20:56:46 MohammadAG: so where are we on the usb host mode front? Jul 02 20:56:55 MohammadAG: cuz that post is telling me didly squat Jul 02 20:57:05 Lantizia: ohh Jul 02 20:57:10 b-man: just because you can or because there's an advantage over maemo? Jul 02 20:57:12 crashanddie, err? Jul 02 20:57:27 MohammadAG: when will it be working, bitch? Jul 02 20:57:39 201x Jul 02 20:57:42 how is ubuntu on the n8xx? Jul 02 20:58:19 MohammadAG: cool! Jul 02 20:58:22 crashanddie, buy my device, selling it for 2k Jul 02 20:58:23 201x? Jul 02 20:58:24 kerio: it has some advantages, and i can Jul 02 20:58:24 b-man, so your porting 9.04 to the N900? Jul 02 20:58:26 xD Jul 02 20:58:28 worst case scenario it's 9 years Jul 02 20:58:30 MohammadAG: wait, wut? Jul 02 20:58:33 no, 9.10 Jul 02 20:58:43 (Karmic) Jul 02 20:58:44 Lantizia, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Ubuntu Jul 02 20:58:47 b-man, do Canonical provide an arm repo for 9.10? Jul 02 20:58:49 how about 10.04? Jul 02 20:58:57 doesn't work Jul 02 20:59:03 Lantizia: yup - ports.ubuntu.com Jul 02 20:59:26 wow Jul 02 20:59:32 kerio: the N900 has broken thumb support so it can't run lucid Jul 02 20:59:45 lucid requires thumb support Jul 02 20:59:53 thumb? Jul 02 21:00:01 usb? Jul 02 21:00:07 it's a special instruction set Jul 02 21:00:09 X-Fade: just FYI ... doing a pvmove.... Jul 02 21:00:11 oh Jul 02 21:00:16 that does what? Jul 02 21:00:19 maybe it can be emulated Jul 02 21:00:24 crashanddie, hostmode worksforme, not for everyone else Jul 02 21:00:54 I'm gonna buy a female adapter anyway Jul 02 21:00:59 One day someone will figure it out :) Jul 02 21:01:01 MohammadAG: is it possible to make a full dump of flash and emmc? Jul 02 21:01:13 kerio: it's basically macros at a machine level that are burned into the chip Jul 02 21:01:39 oh Jul 02 21:01:46 kerio: and emulating it would be slow and impractical Jul 02 21:01:51 can't you just recompile lucid in a way that it doesn't use them? Jul 02 21:02:08 lucid has tens of thousands of packages Jul 02 21:02:15 not possible Jul 02 21:02:18 so better start now :P Jul 02 21:02:20 Is that thumb2ee because even N8x0 has thumb? Jul 02 21:02:22 LOL Jul 02 21:02:31 start a BOINC project Jul 02 21:02:37 lucid@home Jul 02 21:02:40 lol lcuk see ##world-cup Jul 02 21:02:59 LOL Jul 02 21:03:08 @MohammadAG Jul 02 21:03:22 b-man, you missed it Jul 02 21:03:36 b-man, like, maybe 100 messages in 20 secs or sth Jul 02 21:04:01 LOL Jul 02 21:05:59 ShadowJK: yup, i believe it's thumb2 Jul 02 21:10:00 jeeez, i think everyone on ##world-cup is on a sugar high xD Jul 02 21:13:11 b-man, nah, it's just football Jul 02 21:13:24 LOL Jul 02 21:17:33 hi! Jul 02 21:22:51 is it possible to somehow filter the "Active Topics" section in the sidebar on TMO? Jul 02 21:24:45 Venemo, i normally use: http://talk.maemo.org/vaispy.php Jul 02 21:25:00 its got a filter for subscripbed threads Jul 02 21:25:21 lcuk: oh, I didn't know about this stuff Jul 02 21:25:50 lcuk: thank you! Jul 02 21:26:25 * lcuk nods Jul 02 21:26:38 lcuk: still, somehow hiding the threads would be the best solution Jul 02 21:26:49 lcuk: the trolling threads of today simply pissed me off Jul 02 21:27:14 Venemo, unsure havent been watching anything today Jul 02 21:27:22 * lcuk has been down with a headache Jul 02 21:27:37 * Venemo had a headache too, but had some sleep and the headache is gone now Jul 02 21:27:55 yeah i tried that 3 times Jul 02 21:28:09 * lcuk still feels fuzzy Jul 02 21:28:31 even watching football was tiring Jul 02 21:28:57 lcuk: for me, it helps to drink more water when I have a headache Jul 02 21:29:14 if i already have the headache its too late to do anything Jul 02 21:29:28 cos extra water will just give ammo for my body to retaliate Jul 02 21:30:27 lcuk: however, these threads just brought back my headache: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=739017#post739017 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=739021#post739021 Jul 02 21:33:17 "It has USB host mode capability" Jul 02 21:33:17 huh Jul 02 21:33:25 (from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=738638&postcount=12 ) Jul 02 21:33:27 kerio: ? Jul 02 21:34:28 kerio, it does, even if it's broken (at the moment), it does Jul 02 21:34:51 MohammadAG: what is the current state of it? Jul 02 21:35:12 Venemo, same as before, sadly Jul 02 21:35:27 Venemo, only worked for 2 out of the rest of the 'team' Jul 02 21:35:27 MohammadAG: last time I checked (about a month ago), there was some experimental stuff that was working for some people but wasn't released Jul 02 21:35:37 yes, it works for me Jul 02 21:35:57 MohammadAG: huh, interesting. is it a software or a hardware issue? Jul 02 21:36:27 Venemo, software Jul 02 21:36:54 MohammadAG: and how come that it works for some people but not the others? Jul 02 21:37:06 Venemo, no idea Jul 02 21:37:15 anyone know how one can set the autobuilders optimization flags? Jul 02 21:37:26 MohammadAG, and i suppose DocScrutinizer - usb host mode: what specifically would be required to allow a long time installation to be powered from usb but also connect to a usb device (arduino) Jul 02 21:37:28 MohammadAG: what kind of hardware are they attempting to connect? Jul 02 21:37:49 MohammadAG: I mean, what can be different between their devices and yours? Jul 02 21:37:51 Mece, autobuilder doesnt have optimisation flags Jul 02 21:38:06 but your make file can direct your gcc etc to be optimized Jul 02 21:38:07 Venemo: his is awesome, just like the owner Jul 02 21:38:37 MohammadAG: if the firmware is the same and the USB Host stuff is the same, then it is only the hardware that can be different. or this is what would seem logical Jul 02 21:38:50 lcuk, ok.. but it does a "dpkg-buildpackage: set CXXFLAGS to default value: -g -O2" that I believe is the root of my problem.. Jul 02 21:39:00 crashanddie: if that is the only requirement, it will most certainly work for me, too! :P Jul 02 21:39:05 Mece, nope Jul 02 21:39:13 no, you're not awesome Venemo Jul 02 21:39:16 lcuk, nope what? Jul 02 21:39:22 Mece: nope you Jul 02 21:39:24 your problem is execting autobuilder to know what to do for each package Jul 02 21:39:29 your makefile knows that Jul 02 21:39:35 crashanddie: what makes you think that? Jul 02 21:39:46 Venemo: for I am the one true seeer Jul 02 21:39:53 or change your debian/rules to set them yourself Jul 02 21:39:55 crashanddie: lol. Jul 02 21:39:55 Venemo: I do not think, I know Jul 02 21:40:05 lcuk, I have no idea what you just said Jul 02 21:40:20 mece autobuilder knows nothing about the source inside it - if you want optimisation flags, set them yourself Jul 02 21:40:34 ("I do not think, I know" can probably be applied to most pub argument-participants) Jul 02 21:40:49 crashanddie, same HW as i am (theoretically) Jul 02 21:40:50 hey crashanddie \o Jul 02 21:40:52 lcuk, but it defaults to -S2 if none is set? Jul 02 21:40:57 lcuk: why are you talking to Mece? Jul 02 21:41:02 lcuk: why are you talking to Mece? Jul 02 21:41:05 Mece, i dunno? do autobuilders do that? Jul 02 21:41:07 woops Jul 02 21:41:07 lcuk, nope, some russian guy Jul 02 21:41:20 crashanddie, is he not allowed? Jul 02 21:41:21 damn I'm confused, what the heck is happening Jul 02 21:41:49 Venemo, or the speed they're trying to reproduce it at, the steps need some tricky timing Jul 02 21:42:04 MohammadAG: ah, so it is prone to human error? Jul 02 21:42:04 Venemo, it was hit/miss for me, but I got used to timing it right lately Jul 02 21:42:06 MohammadAG: so what are you using? Jul 02 21:42:11 lcuk, well I don't get that when I do buildpackage locally. Jul 02 21:42:22 crashanddie, SanDisk Cruzer Contour 8GB flash drive Jul 02 21:42:25 crashanddie, w00t_ has been hacking on liqbase and its now being built with g++ Jul 02 21:42:25 Mece: 'course he is, I misread, apologies Jul 02 21:42:32 (to change the subject) Jul 02 21:42:35 lcuk: nice Jul 02 21:42:39 congrats w00t_ Jul 02 21:42:50 w00t_: enjoyed the codebase? Jul 02 21:43:18 lcuk: any word on the young kid who did his GSoC on liqbase? What happened to him? Jul 02 21:43:19 Mece, hmm dunno then Jul 02 21:43:30 yeah z4chh is still in chan Jul 02 21:43:32 lcuk, can I find out what the exact command autobuilder uses? Jul 02 21:43:38 he went to military school Jul 02 21:43:41 wtf Jul 02 21:43:44 military school? Jul 02 21:43:50 heh Jul 02 21:43:54 was starting just after gsoc Jul 02 21:43:57 yeah Jul 02 21:43:59 damn Jul 02 21:44:01 hardcore Jul 02 21:44:07 Mece, i dunno Jul 02 21:44:12 who wants to be a military these days? Jul 02 21:44:21 crashanddie, moncell is still working :) Jul 02 21:44:23 maybe he failed history.. Jul 02 21:44:25 yeah, seriously, terrorism ftw Jul 02 21:44:38 oh... crap, channel's logged Jul 02 21:44:40 * MohammadAG runs Jul 02 21:44:46 anyway - you asked where he went Jul 02 21:44:47 :p Jul 02 21:44:51 MohammadAG: so you can mount a 8GB USB stick? Jul 02 21:45:02 fuck me Jul 02 21:45:07 jacekowski: no thank you Jul 02 21:45:08 dsme protocol is a disaster Jul 02 21:45:10 jacekowski, i'd rather not Jul 02 21:45:33 completly not future proof Jul 02 21:45:35 last time I was fucked by a pole, it cost me a rear bumper Jul 02 21:45:44 LOL Jul 02 21:46:06 crashanddie, ive started reading books again Jul 02 21:46:17 lcuk: that must've felt weird, what you started with? Jul 02 21:46:19 evening Jul 02 21:46:21 crashanddie, sec Jul 02 21:46:26 and i tell you - this portrait patch is niceeeeeee Jul 02 21:46:31 crashanddie, not at all Jul 02 21:46:34 LOL Jul 02 21:46:44 its good feeling Jul 02 21:46:53 crashanddie, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=666802&postcount=899 Jul 02 21:46:54 the one problem with original liqbase was that everything was in one app Jul 02 21:47:06 now things are nicely in standalone apps Jul 02 21:47:07 :) Jul 02 21:48:16 crashanddie, even though that was an exploit that requires a PC, the same happens to me when I don't use a PC Jul 02 21:48:33 you just needed the PC for power though, right? Jul 02 21:48:41 but i mean seriously, if you think bme is a disaster Jul 02 21:48:54 the i don't think there is are words to describe dsme Jul 02 21:48:58 then* Jul 02 21:49:02 lcuk: so liqbase will because lib-based? Jul 02 21:49:10 s/is\ are/are/ Jul 02 21:49:11 s/because/become/ Jul 02 21:49:11 crashanddie meant: lcuk: so liqbase will become lib-based? Jul 02 21:49:12 jacekowski: what is dsme? Jul 02 21:49:17 crashanddie, no, it was used to put the device into host mode, completely defeating the purpose Jul 02 21:49:22 device state managment entity Jul 02 21:49:27 crashanddie, thats what the new framework was all about anyway Jul 02 21:49:33 jacekowski: and what's wrong about it? Jul 02 21:49:33 lcuk: good Jul 02 21:49:38 just couldnt get everything aligned carefully :) Jul 02 21:49:41 MohammadAG: hmm Jul 02 21:49:42 Venemo: it's broken by design Jul 02 21:49:50 lcuk: or you didn't want to Jul 02 21:49:52 jacekowski: how so? Jul 02 21:50:02 lcuk, you who are wise in the ways of dpkg, configure is generated from configure.ac, right? Jul 02 21:50:05 lcuk: sorry, I meant "or you had better/more urgent/more important things to do before that" Jul 02 21:50:08 crashanddie, everything has been a plugin from day1 Jul 02 21:51:01 MohammadAG: so what are we stuck on now then? Jul 02 21:51:13 lcuk, and when exactly is configure generated? I can't seem to get it un-generated with clean and such. Jul 02 21:51:25 MohammadAG: note carefully how I went from asking you questions, to using the pronoun "we". Jul 02 21:51:50 Mece: clean doesn't remove ./configure Jul 02 21:52:00 mece, me and autotools dont really get on - if i have to unautogen i normally reset git Jul 02 21:52:10 crashanddie, also see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=696115&postcount=1016 Jul 02 21:52:31 mece but theres plenty of documentation about it all Jul 02 21:52:34 crashanddie, what we're stuck on? we need proper kernel patches that make the device kick into hostmode properly Jul 02 21:53:33 crashanddie, this too, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=697172&postcount=1032 Jul 02 21:53:37 crashanddie, writing "class blah{...};" inside the library was a bit awesome, if i can use c++ sprinkled around it might help some things, but im keeping the C api because then its more sharable with other languages Jul 02 21:53:39 t-tan was unable to reproduce it Jul 02 21:55:18 MohammadAG, so the specs and changed have been identified now, you just need a kernel hacker to actually implement them cleanly? Jul 02 21:55:25 specs and changes Jul 02 21:55:38 MohammadAG: and what is it that is missing from your kernel? Jul 02 21:55:54 Venemo, it's not _my_ kernel, it's sarahn's Jul 02 21:56:00 I take no credit for that Jul 02 21:56:01 MohammadAG: at the end (I forgoto to say it) you can view our application in extras-devel :) the name is msoma (under Multimedia) please give us feedback if you want :) Jul 02 21:56:38 lcuk, you already know where hostmode is being discussed :P Jul 02 21:56:47 MohammadAG: i meant the word 'your' in a plural sense :) Jul 02 21:56:57 of course MohammadAG im just reiterating what you are looking for Jul 02 21:57:00 MohammadAG: dude, if you're the first one to get it working, and manage to document it, everything's yours Jul 02 21:57:10 crashanddie, not really Jul 02 21:57:13 because most of the kernel hackers around dont know about the chan Jul 02 21:57:20 MohammadAG: I think everyone knows where it's being discussed Jul 02 21:57:22 crashanddie, it could be a borked device :P Jul 02 21:57:37 MohammadAG: anyway, thanks for keeping us posted Jul 02 21:57:40 MohammadAG: borked in a good way? Jul 02 21:57:50 MohammadAG: "if it's stupid, but it works, it ain't stupid" Jul 02 21:57:50 MohammadAG: was there anyone else who could reproduce it? Jul 02 21:58:13 blue_led I think Jul 02 21:58:19 Venemo: I think we're again stuck in the position where everyone goes "oooh awesome", but nobody wants to dish out for a bloody female-female USB cable Jul 02 21:58:29 and a russian guy, but according to someone's translation, he used a PC first Jul 02 21:58:44 russians can't be trusted Jul 02 21:58:49 i made my own in the past using the extender ports from my desktop Jul 02 21:59:00 usb host mode is useful for arduino hackers Jul 02 21:59:08 lcuk: it very much is Jul 02 21:59:09 so far they have needed bluetooth modules and extra faff Jul 02 21:59:14 crashanddie: well, sine they say that it is unsafe, I'm a little afraid of it Jul 02 21:59:24 lcuk, i want to flash another N900 using host mode :P Jul 02 21:59:28 Venemo: what's the worst that could happen? Jul 02 21:59:31 crashanddie: while I'm a software developer, I'm not into the ins and outs of USB Jul 02 21:59:44 crashanddie: honestly, I dunno :) Jul 02 22:00:22 awesome MohammadAG Jul 02 22:00:38 crashanddie, end of the world? Jul 02 22:00:57 Venemo: worst case scenario, the device starts sending out cancer-prone radiation, you get shot by the FCC agents and after 3 weeks of being man hunted by the whole planet for being an international terrorist, your family sets you up and you get hung with the same rope as Sadam Hussein, and end up in his grave, too. Jul 02 22:01:29 so, i'd say it's definitely worth the risk. Jul 02 22:01:34 crashanddie, or that :P Jul 02 22:01:36 crashanddie: well yes Jul 02 22:01:36 /whois crashanddie: username: Michael Bay Jul 02 22:01:37 We're trying to get USB WORKING HERE Jul 02 22:01:47 D-Iivil, doubtful, see http://bit.ly/2FulAY Jul 02 22:02:21 lcuk: lol :) Jul 02 22:02:44 crashanddie: if I can't screw up the device by trying to get USB host work, I'm sold Jul 02 22:02:47 lcuk: he's a director, not a writer Jul 02 22:02:50 MohammadAG, wtf? :D Jul 02 22:03:15 lolololol Jul 02 22:03:21 D-Iivil: check the source code of the page Jul 02 22:03:23 see also: http://computerpowertest.com/ Jul 02 22:04:07 lcuk: btw, did you get to the end of that comics site yesterday? :P Jul 02 22:04:22 o_O it was probably that that gave me a migraine Jul 02 22:04:25 crashanddie, how do you get the source with microB? Jul 02 22:04:33 lcuk: I'm sorry. Jul 02 22:04:44 D-Iivil, wget the page and cat it in terminal :P Jul 02 22:05:03 D-Iivil: just look at the title of that page Jul 02 22:05:09 MohammadAG, well sure :D Jul 02 22:05:38 Venemo, not shown completely in the MicroB (won't fit in) Jul 02 22:05:49 MohammadAG: that'd be a pain for urls using cookies Jul 02 22:05:59 D-Iivil: ah, sorry. Jul 02 22:06:44 Venemo, the source code has some funny crap in it :P Jul 02 22:06:52 it's not just an echo "Nope." Jul 02 22:07:01 MohammadAG: okay, will check it out :) Jul 02 22:07:07 oh shit... it's one am already. Jul 02 22:07:08 lcuk: did you see the talk at TED that completely talks about Open Source, without ever using the word "Open Source"? Jul 02 22:07:43 no, im watching taxi2 atm Jul 02 22:07:50 lcuk: bookmark it Jul 02 22:07:59 MohammadAG: LOOOLLL... Jul 02 22:08:02 works a lot better when I give the link, I guess Jul 02 22:08:04 http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/clay_shirky_how_cognitive_surplus_will_change_the_world.html Jul 02 22:08:37 Venemo, check the if part :p Jul 02 22:08:47 I think I'll hit the bed now. Cya guys. Jul 02 22:08:53 MohammadAG: i saw... Jul 02 22:08:55 Venemo: I can only imagine the astronauts in the ISS seeing the black hole appear over switzerland going "Oh quick, we need to twitter this" Jul 02 22:09:10 Got my N95 back, twitter here I come :D Jul 02 22:09:22 ok so I'm pretty sure that the issue I'm having is that CFLAG -S0 set in rules is ignored, and autobuilder sets default which is -S2 Jul 02 22:09:25 MohammadAG: I can't believe I showed you that link, and now you're reaping all the fame of it :( Jul 02 22:09:47 crashanddie, I'm such an ass :) Jul 02 22:10:04 MohammadAG: okay. in return: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png Jul 02 22:10:17 Venemo, seen that before XD Jul 02 22:10:35 MohammadAG: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/84556/whats-your-favorite-programmer-cartoon Jul 02 22:11:00 brb :p Jul 02 22:11:12 MohammadAG: well, Mr. Abu-Garbeyyeh, it looks like we will meet again! Mwhuwhahahahahahahahha Jul 02 22:12:28 * crashanddie goes to open to the person knocking on the front door. "No Mr. Officer, I'm not trying to get an underage boy to agree to meet me." Jul 02 22:12:48 LOL Jul 02 22:13:44 MohammadAG: is there any chance you could get your name reorganised? Jul 02 22:13:53 MohammadAG: like, put the mohammad in the middle? Jul 02 22:14:02 MohammadAG: having the initials "AMG" would just be cool :) Jul 02 22:15:30 that's almost as classic as reading about a cambodian python that is called "C", and has learnt to click a mouse on a computer Jul 02 22:15:44 crashanddie, I'd rather use a trademarked name Jul 02 22:15:47 The joke writes itself right? "Combodian kid uses C and python to send spam" Jul 02 22:15:57 MAG = Massive Action Game (PS3), or that monitors company Jul 02 22:16:04 evening all Jul 02 22:16:14 evening to you, too Jul 02 22:16:35 MohammadAG51: my initials, in dutch, simply spell out "salad" Jul 02 22:16:54 well, that's my trinome Jul 02 22:17:51 have you succeeded to share images through the standard (1.2) facebook option? Jul 02 22:18:13 pexi: who are you talking to? Jul 02 22:18:35 anyone interested enough Jul 02 22:19:05 * b-man 's initials spell out bam :) Jul 02 22:19:15 pexi: it's usually good form to formulate the question in a way that it indicates who is targeted. "you" is quite vague in a 500+ people channel ;) Jul 02 22:19:48 some better free&unlimited easy image sharing suggestions are welcome Jul 02 22:20:16 flickr free account is really limited with the transfer rate Jul 02 22:20:31 doesn't it have like 100MB per month on it? Jul 02 22:20:35 yep Jul 02 22:20:36 That's why I took the pro account Jul 02 22:20:45 And the new interface is awesome Jul 02 22:20:49 pexi: what is the problem? Jul 02 22:20:51 yeah, flickr works greatly Jul 02 22:21:09 but the facebook account linking fails Jul 02 22:21:21 I really managed to fuck things up lol Jul 02 22:21:37 facebook is evil, idk why i signed up Jul 02 22:21:42 had some issues with the facebook chat linking too Jul 02 22:21:49 lcuk: I'm quite proud as to how graphic and explicit this channel has become Jul 02 22:22:02 crashanddie: you are fond of the swearing? Jul 02 22:22:03 MohammadAG51: you were hypnotized >;) Jul 02 22:22:15 you can't be serious Jul 02 22:22:15 well, I'm not interested about ethics discussion now :) Jul 02 22:22:31 three ambiguous 'you's in a row! Jul 02 22:22:50 "So, lcuk created liqbase, texrat has been a long time council member, jaffa united the community, what did you bring to the community, crashanddie?" "Profanity" Jul 02 22:22:57 b-man, says the guy who steals traffic lights Jul 02 22:23:09 i didn't steal it LOL Jul 02 22:23:26 profanity is a necessary must in order to keep everyone happy Jul 02 22:23:29 it followed you home? Jul 02 22:23:41 no, it's a long story Jul 02 22:23:49 i actually have made research into the use of profanity and how it affects persons Jul 02 22:23:49 i've had nights like that Jul 02 22:23:50 ofc facebook works like a charm through web interface but when you want to upload lots of photos ad hoc... Jul 02 22:23:50 i'll start Jul 02 22:23:53 pupnik_: he woke up, and there was, snug in his arms Jul 02 22:23:54 he shot a portal under it Jul 02 22:24:04 anybody here run opensolaris? Jul 02 22:24:06 *there she was* Jul 02 22:24:09 me and my dad belong to a sculpture club Jul 02 22:24:11 Macer: I used to, why? Jul 02 22:24:23 b-man: I heard that one, awesome joke. Jul 02 22:24:24 i need an auth daemon Jul 02 22:24:26 b-man, crashanddie's version of the story is more exciting Jul 02 22:24:27 or an identd Jul 02 22:24:44 you know where i can find information on that? Jul 02 22:24:53 my dad's friend who is the head of the club, knows a guy who works at a recycling center Jul 02 22:25:01 only thing i could find was some bug from 2005 Jul 02 22:25:07 yeah, and crashes when you try to check new services for sharing :) Jul 02 22:25:13 Macer: /etc/intd.conf Jul 02 22:25:18 one day some city workers dumped dsome old lights off Jul 02 22:25:47 and the guy in charge told my dad's friend about it Jul 02 22:25:48 well, I did use WinMe for a while so this shouldn't be such a big deal Jul 02 22:26:16 so he got interesten because he thought he could salvage it for scrap Jul 02 22:26:23 indetd has a built in auth? Jul 02 22:26:30 inetd Jul 02 22:26:57 but he realized that they were made of pot metal (he thought it was aluminum) Jul 02 22:27:14 so they were useless for scrap Jul 02 22:27:39 so he put them behind his studio hoping to give them away Jul 02 22:27:45 b-man, short story: you stole it Jul 02 22:27:50 Macer: well, specific unices have Jul 02 22:27:50 xDDD Jul 02 22:27:50 hm Jul 02 22:27:58 Macer: not necessarily solaris Jul 02 22:28:05 and one night when me and my dad were there Jul 02 22:28:07 Macer: I know solaris on SPARC had it till version 6 Jul 02 22:28:09 crashanddie: Nice. URL? Jul 02 22:28:16 Jaffa: sorry? Jul 02 22:28:22 i saw them and asked him if i could have one, he said yes Jul 02 22:28:28 dent "%Z%%M% %I% %E% SMI" Jul 02 22:28:36 crashanddie: Your quote; or is it self-generated? Jul 02 22:28:44 /ignore MohammadAG51 xD Jul 02 22:28:45 Jaffa: yeah, sadly. Jul 02 22:28:47 er.. that is in the ident.conf Jul 02 22:29:02 so i took it home and refurbished it Jul 02 22:29:17 Jaffa: sorry, I won't highlight you anymore in the future Jul 02 22:29:40 crashanddie, I'm sorry, but qwerty12 kicks your ass there. Jul 02 22:30:04 GAN900: stfu, or I'll show the channel how useless you are with IRC by kicking yours :P Jul 02 22:30:56 GAN900: plus, qwerty12 sadly was only a big talker on IRC, and I could profanitise him to oblivion any day of the week. I just chose not to. "With great power comes great responsi-fucking-bility" Jul 02 22:30:58 crashanddie, he still kicks your ass though :p Jul 02 22:31:00 and here's the end result 8D xD http://b-man.xceleo.org/SANY1481.JPG Jul 02 22:31:17 i have certain difficulties to understand you attitude crashanddie Jul 02 22:31:36 +r Jul 02 22:31:43 b-man: that's an epic picture Jul 02 22:32:10 b-man: you do realise that's going to end up on some there I fixed it blog-kinda website, very, very soon Jul 02 22:32:13 Surfa: eh? Jul 02 22:32:21 Surfa: whatever mate, can't be bothered tonight :) Jul 02 22:32:56 better watermark that picture, b-man. Jul 02 22:33:01 crashanddie: ok xD Jul 02 22:33:11 alright xD Jul 02 22:33:37 crashanddie: really? qwerty12 used to be on IRC? Jul 02 22:33:44 Venemo: oh yeah Jul 02 22:33:48 crashanddie: I haven't seen him Jul 02 22:33:57 Venemo: he used to be here all the time. The guy was excellent Jul 02 22:33:59 crashanddie: what happened? Jul 02 22:34:06 I don't know, he burnt out Jul 02 22:34:18 crashanddie: really? Jul 02 22:34:22 he doesn't like the channel anymore Jul 02 22:34:23 Last I asked him to swing by, he just sideways said it wasn't the right medium for him Jul 02 22:34:30 crashanddie: how so? Jul 02 22:34:39 Ask him? Jul 02 22:35:29 crashanddie: perhaps I will Jul 02 22:35:52 ok... building again. I hope this one segfaults. Then I might have a solution Jul 02 22:35:56 crashanddie, college: girls, class, booze Jul 02 22:36:03 (we hope) Jul 02 22:36:47 reboot is required.. Jul 02 22:37:09 (11:34:35 PM) SpeedEvil: pexi: flickr Jul 02 22:37:09 (11:34:46 PM) SpeedEvil: pexi: err - flickr has a _200_ picture limit on free mode Jul 02 22:37:09 (11:34:52 PM) SpeedEvil: pexi: picasa is a gigabyte Jul 02 22:37:09 (11:35:16 PM) SpeedEvil: Also - htere is no way to download your original pics in free mode Jul 02 22:37:39 how about share on ovi? Jul 02 22:37:39 yeah Jul 02 22:37:48 no limits there Jul 02 22:38:19 donno about it Jul 02 22:38:32 possibility to download original pics also Jul 02 22:38:45 i'm just a fraid of any nokia software Jul 02 22:38:53 why so? Jul 02 22:39:03 freenode *needs* a netsplit filter Jul 02 22:39:47 because pc-suite Jul 02 22:40:16 but gotta check ovi cause they have pressure to make it global brand Jul 02 22:40:17 pexi, well, share on ovi is kind of different stuff Jul 02 22:40:34 pexi: pc suite's incompatibility with the N900 shouldn't bother you that much Jul 02 22:40:47 yep Jul 02 22:41:53 just had hard times to get in touch with ovi account managers for developer access Jul 02 22:42:09 it's possible Jul 02 22:42:24 but right now, inviduals should be able to register too Jul 02 22:42:36 crashanddie: Nah, please keep on using my name. Even in profuckery. Makes me feel popular. Jul 02 22:42:44 Despite sliding down the karma league table. Jul 02 22:42:47 I tried to get ovi maps beta dev account Jul 02 22:42:56 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 02 22:42:56 Jaffa: cheer up big boy Jul 02 22:43:04 * SpeedEvil eats a jaffa cake. Jul 02 22:43:06 but haven't got any response even though we work with nokia Jul 02 22:43:31 crashanddie: Yeah, I have. Just had an epiphany for an enormous memory leak bug (one reference was the kicker, but we needed one of its root objects for performance) Jul 02 22:43:38 * Jaffa beds. Jul 02 22:43:41 pexi, as long as you're having personal contacts it's possible that emails get ignored Jul 02 22:43:43 night. Jul 02 22:43:53 that's personal experience Jul 02 22:44:05 Surfa, that's the problem because its a very big corporation Jul 02 22:44:12 Surfa: I think the approved method is to drive a tank through the gates of the HQ? Jul 02 22:44:28 Surfa, and actually I have contacts at high level but diff department.. so Jul 02 22:44:43 high level ignore much more emails Jul 02 22:44:57 lower level contacts you have, better you are off with them Jul 02 22:45:43 well.. he said that he can be used for getting the contacts but Jul 02 22:45:55 and my friends work for the phones Jul 02 22:46:12 so it is sometimes frustrating Jul 02 22:47:10 Ah - my new favourite command. Jul 02 22:47:15 killall plugin-container Jul 02 22:47:29 because low level ppl ignore you if they don't have direct orders or direct gain Jul 02 22:47:53 high level.. well, hard to get in touch Jul 02 22:50:15 pig Jul 02 22:50:18 ping Jul 02 22:50:20 argh Jul 02 22:50:26 is it possible to create a bluetooth PAN between the N900 and a PC? Jul 02 22:50:37 nevertheless, ovi seems pretty nice service for image sharing Jul 02 22:50:42 pexi, depends on culture Jul 02 22:51:04 Venemo: there's instructions on the wiki as I recall. Jul 02 22:51:15 lcuk: what was the name of the event you demoed the N900 in london again? Jul 02 22:51:24 pexi, finns are especially good when talking to other developers.. they are very willing to keep their supervisors off the loop Jul 02 22:51:36 SpeedEvil: thanks! found this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN Jul 02 22:51:58 Surfa, yeah, when you know someone, that is true Jul 02 22:52:12 :) Jul 02 22:54:49 crashanddie, onedotzero Jul 02 22:55:01 ta Jul 02 22:56:21 crashanddie: i guess i need to build an identd for it huh? Jul 02 22:56:25 :) Jul 02 22:56:46 Macer: yeah, nothing too hard, just find the source and compile it, then activate it in /etc/inetd.conf Jul 02 22:56:53 Macer: but why do you want inetd? Jul 02 22:56:59 err, identd? Jul 02 22:57:00 making a shell box Jul 02 22:57:12 using opensolaris Jul 02 22:57:15 well... shell and dns Jul 02 22:57:27 low level stuff on my 1GHz artigo Jul 02 22:57:31 SpeedEvil: huh! it seems that there is no "maemo-pan" package in the app manager. Jul 02 22:57:34 it is a little beast Jul 02 22:58:23 identd ;) Jul 02 22:58:26 heh Jul 02 22:58:42 some irc servers are still identd whores Jul 02 22:58:47 SpeedEvil: nor Extras, nor -testing, nor -devel, and not from the terminal, either Jul 02 22:58:52 Venemo: That's stupid. Jul 02 22:58:56 Venemo: However. Jul 02 22:59:01 trying to figure out SIP on the n900 Jul 02 22:59:17 when I try to sign in, why might it take only a few seconds and then say not signed in? Jul 02 22:59:17 Venemo: Just install mobilehotspot, and do bittorrent, and you can cook in 20 minutes on the screen. Jul 02 22:59:58 SpeedEvil: I truly would like only networking, and not tethering :) Jul 02 23:00:12 ljsdofuynsdfufuh: nickname Jul 02 23:00:18 yeah Jul 02 23:00:23 boo Jul 02 23:00:23 * SpeedEvil stabs icd. Jul 02 23:00:27 shorter: thanks Jul 02 23:01:16 Macer: boycott identd Jul 02 23:01:30 Macer: not only is it useless, it's a security risk (when badly implemented Jul 02 23:02:00 how should i troubleshoot this? Jul 02 23:02:40 shorter: does you have the same issues on wifi and 3g? Jul 02 23:03:00 * crashanddie smokes another joint, and hopes his english skills come back Jul 02 23:03:00 crashanddie++ Jul 02 23:03:06 will im trying on wifi of course first Jul 02 23:03:17 I just bought a DID from a sip provider Jul 02 23:03:18 SpeedEvil: it seems that it is not required to install anything Jul 02 23:03:32 trying to connect Jul 02 23:03:34 crashanddie: how so? Jul 02 23:03:47 just identing is a security risk? :) Jul 02 23:03:50 SpeedEvil: after pairing, I can right-click on the N900's icon in Windows and start a PAN from there Jul 02 23:04:03 Macer: "hey, here's an idea, let's give away our usernames to anyone who asks for it" Jul 02 23:04:25 Macer: "whooohooo, here's my username, take it, you can have it, woohooo" Jul 02 23:04:34 haha Jul 02 23:04:35 Macer: "oh crap, now they only need to hack our password, crap" Jul 02 23:04:59 well... i only allow keys ;) Jul 02 23:05:12 on FTP too? Jul 02 23:05:20 BAM Jul 02 23:05:21 got it Jul 02 23:05:24 no ftp Jul 02 23:05:24 weirdness Jul 02 23:05:28 only sftp allowed Jul 02 23:05:41 Macer: anyway, i doubt you require identd Jul 02 23:05:58 Macer: any sane network I've seen just will make you wait 10 seconds for the identd, and then die Jul 02 23:06:23 SpeedEvil: it seems that OpenTTD's multiplayer feature works this way! :) Jul 02 23:06:25 Macer: in this age of routers everywhere on the planet, it would've been the death of IRC to enforce identd, and ask people to ALL open their identd port. Jul 02 23:06:28 i know i dont require it but i would like to have it still.. but i will just try to build one a"d try it out after i get osol installed Jul 02 23:06:53 but thank you for the help ;) Jul 02 23:07:16 identd only made sense in the age when nobody could afford computers Jul 02 23:07:19 crashanddie: pft. identd should be openly truested for auth! Jul 02 23:07:26 trusted. Jul 02 23:07:47 actually, with the r* stuff, it made a lot of sense, when things were more trustworthy Jul 02 23:08:09 ShadowJK: and in a world where MITM was nearly unheard of, nor spoofing. Jul 02 23:08:33 if systema trusts my auth, systemb should, too Jul 02 23:08:51 What are the standard wallet-photo sizes in the metric world? Jul 02 23:09:02 no, you're missing a massive link there mortini Jul 02 23:09:22 system-b should only trust you if it trusts system-a, and system-a can vouch for you Jul 02 23:09:26 haha Jul 02 23:09:36 well.. identd is still around Jul 02 23:09:47 identd serves no viable purpose anymore Jul 02 23:09:48 you run into irc servers that still enforce it Jul 02 23:10:21 * mortini sets up a finger server. Jul 02 23:10:28 finger me baaaybee! Jul 02 23:10:54 hahahaha Jul 02 23:10:58 luke-jr: same as the US? 2 by 3"? Jul 02 23:11:16 crashanddie: inches aren't metric Jul 02 23:11:27 luke-jr: orly? noway Jul 02 23:11:28 I'm under the impression that Europe is strictly metric-only now... Jul 02 23:11:29 damn. Jul 02 23:11:31 no? Jul 02 23:11:34 luke-jr: 5 by 7.5? Jul 02 23:12:06 I don't know if I'm more insulted that a European can't even multiple 3 by 2.5 Jul 02 23:12:38 gnah, my enligh fails tonight Jul 02 23:12:45 * crashanddie weeps Jul 02 23:13:01 as if the conversion is that simple :) Jul 02 23:13:36 Google says 3in = 7.62cm Jul 02 23:13:49 somehow I expect people have something more metric-like for sizes? Jul 02 23:15:15 luke-jr: so I was 1mm off? Yeah, that'll make a difference. Jul 02 23:15:22 sorry, 1.2mm :P Jul 02 23:15:40 I thought we were talking about pictures, not nanoscale engineering :D Jul 02 23:15:53 XD Jul 02 23:16:07 but seriously? Europe uses inches for photos? Jul 02 23:16:44 well, we use dots per inch for resolution Jul 02 23:18:37 luke-jr: but no, print sizes are calculated in cm Jul 02 23:19:22 10*15 cm Jul 02 23:19:30 hello guys Jul 02 23:19:41 hi Jul 02 23:19:41 ShadowJK: how about wallet-size? Jul 02 23:19:48 nfi Jul 02 23:19:50 Is there any user named florian here ? Jul 02 23:20:01 anisfarhana: there's 500+ people in here Jul 02 23:20:12 crashanddie: oh sorry , just try my luck here :/ Jul 02 23:21:12 luke-jr: you do realise you can get about any size, right? Jul 02 23:25:07 okay I bought a DID, now how do I make calls out? Jul 02 23:25:49 connect, dial, press big green button. Jul 02 23:26:00 crashanddie: 2.93292" x 1.46646"? Jul 02 23:26:15 ? Jul 02 23:26:21 luke-jr: for example, how about you explain what you're trying to do? Jul 02 23:26:25 well it stands for direct inward dialing? Jul 02 23:26:36 crashanddie: I want wallet-size photos measured in tonal meters Jul 02 23:26:38 does DID allow for outbound calls? Jul 02 23:26:47 shorter: depends on your service Jul 02 23:26:54 I just bought some from voip.ms Jul 02 23:26:57 a DID by itself neither allows inbound nor outbound Jul 02 23:27:06 usually you get a DID in addition to at least inbound service Jul 02 23:27:15 luke-jr: take wallet, measure, get result? Jul 02 23:27:16 I would like to be able to call people on the same number they use to call me Jul 02 23:28:53 crashanddie: 2.93292" x 1.46646" is exactly 1/2 tonal meter by 1/4 tonal meter Jul 02 23:29:23 shorter: you don't call people on numbers, you call them on channels and send them some arbitrary caller ID Jul 02 23:29:49 luke-jr: wtf is a tonal meter? Jul 02 23:29:52 shorter: it sounds to me like you want a simple end-user VoIP service Jul 02 23:30:15 well I just spent 25 on this one Jul 02 23:30:22 can you explain a bit more? Jul 02 23:30:35 you just got fucked Jul 02 23:30:50 well they only allow that much as a downpayment Jul 02 23:31:06 anyway, what is this methodology of calling them? Jul 02 23:31:17 crashanddie: see page 30 of http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/tonal-system/10991090 Jul 02 23:31:20 for* Jul 02 23:31:27 luke-jr Jul 02 23:31:35 shorter: why don't you link the service you bought? Jul 02 23:31:45 voip.ms Jul 02 23:31:50 got a local DID Jul 02 23:31:59 which is the only thing on there I saw could be bought Jul 02 23:36:00 luke-jr, any ideas? Jul 02 23:36:03 luke-jr: you lost me mate Jul 02 23:38:14 shorter: so you got the "Unlimited channels DID number"? Jul 02 23:38:31 yeah, I think that's the default Jul 02 23:38:36 the per minute one Jul 02 23:38:58 you can probably just register it on your N900 and use it like a phone Jul 02 23:38:59 got a local one and tested by receiving an incoming call from a cell Jul 02 23:39:03 I did Jul 02 23:39:09 but how do I make outbound calls? Jul 02 23:39:14 ... Jul 02 23:39:15 there is no ring or anything Jul 02 23:39:15 you dial Jul 02 23:39:28 oh, well it doesn't ring and it says no answer Jul 02 23:39:45 so DIDs aren't just for incoming calls? Jul 02 23:39:49 you selected SIP where it defaults to Cellular? Jul 02 23:39:50 they're for outgoing too? Jul 02 23:39:53 DIDs are just a number Jul 02 23:40:03 so how do I know if this offers outbound Jul 02 23:40:08 voip.ms is offering you minutes in both directions, at a per minute rate Jul 02 23:40:31 " USA 48 @ 1.05¢ per minute ($0.0105)" Jul 02 23:40:36 hm Jul 02 23:40:36 wtf Jul 02 23:40:40 okay i setup something wrong then though Jul 02 23:41:00 it doesn't ring or anything and says no answer after a bit Jul 02 23:42:04 crashanddie: you read page 30? Jul 02 23:42:18 no, have a headache now, because of you Jul 02 23:42:28 ... Jul 02 23:44:14 tmob has me about to choke someone out Jul 02 23:45:09 indeed Jul 02 23:45:20 wha'd they do to you? Jul 02 23:48:12 "Do you accept predictive dialer call center traffic? (Dialer/Telemarketing) We do not accept dialer traffic at this time. " Jul 02 23:48:26 that was in their FAQ luke-jr Jul 02 23:48:39 does that mean no outbound? Jul 02 23:49:11 this ovi sharing seems to be pretty nice Jul 02 23:49:14 that means no setting up a computer that dials random numbers Jul 02 23:49:23 shorter: no, it means you can't use automated dialing Jul 02 23:49:25 and transfers them to humans when someone answers Jul 02 23:49:44 private unlimited free albums with downloan library option Jul 02 23:49:52 *download Jul 02 23:50:08 hmm, I wonder why it doesn't ring or work on outbound Jul 02 23:50:20 you probably put the wrong password or something Jul 02 23:50:33 well i get in bound Jul 02 23:50:35 tested that Jul 02 23:51:42 shorter: install a softphone to troubleshoot Jul 02 23:51:46 (on your desktop) Jul 02 23:51:50 hmm Jul 02 23:51:53 okay Jul 03 00:00:41 good evening, everyone Jul 03 00:00:47 I'm going to sleep now Jul 03 00:01:42 wasn't expecting that... twas the router Jul 03 00:01:53 neighbor's connection works for outbound [-_o] Jul 03 00:15:11 so my first question "does it work the same on wifi and 3g" would have solved your problem right away. Jul 03 00:16:50 >>• Programmable digital audio effects processing for playback (3-D, bass, treble, midrange, EQ, de-emphasis)<< from http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlv320aic34.pdf Jul 03 00:17:42 "Programmable" Jul 03 00:17:43 this is a hardware property of N900 audio codec chip - I wonder why nobody created a decent equalizer for N900 yet Jul 03 00:18:00 I wonder if there's a catch :-) Jul 03 00:18:06 Like with video codecs on dsp Jul 03 00:18:11 hmm Jul 03 00:18:18 ticket? Jul 03 00:18:28 eh? Jul 03 00:18:37 or just nag Nokians the 'short way'? Jul 03 00:19:42 first of all I guess we should find out about which of the audio driver things are OS, and why is responsible author Jul 03 00:20:17 amixer doesn't have any link to any form of bass/treble or whatever EQ Jul 03 00:20:59 ShadowJK: I just wonder where to start the bitching ;-D Jul 03 00:21:18 as I *hate* tmo Jul 03 00:21:28 lol Jul 03 00:21:46 I'm just skeptical about TI's promises :-) Jul 03 00:21:54 hmm Jul 03 00:22:15 lemme scrutinize the ds a lil bit longer Jul 03 00:22:28 Like take the DSP for example. It's not really possible to create new video codecs on it Jul 03 00:22:28 ttyl, ~10min Jul 03 00:22:55 Because the actual building blocks for video codecs are undocumented :-) Jul 03 00:23:06 ShadowJK: yeah, as the DSP isn't really well documented, or what are you thinking of? Jul 03 00:23:13 ack Jul 03 00:24:24 Consider VP8, ffmpeg needed only 1400 lines of code to implement it (I heard it was 100k lines in vp8 reference implementation?), thanks to every codec sharing basic building blocks which ffmpeg already had Jul 03 00:25:02 ShadowJK: http://www.schleef.org/blog/2009/11/11/theora-on-ti-c64x-dsp-and-omap3/ Jul 03 00:25:17 Even though the step from h264 to vp8 is a small one, it'd be like a total rewrite for the dsp.. Jul 03 00:25:19 ShadowJK: what's your point? (and what's VP8?) Jul 03 00:25:29 DocScrutinizer, oh, google's new "patent free" video codec Jul 03 00:25:43 ShadowJK: although it doesn't use a lot of the building blocks... :/ Jul 03 00:25:50 Robot101, well they can't :-) Jul 03 00:25:56 it's not patent free, it's a zero-fee zero-revenue patent pool Jul 03 00:26:02 DocScrutinizer, point is TI says you can do 720p video, in practice you can't :P Jul 03 00:26:14 as in, you have to check your video codec IP revenue at the door to use VP8 Jul 03 00:26:21 that's not the same as patent free :) Jul 03 00:26:27 ok, but that isn't an axiom for aic34 Jul 03 00:26:33 as the MPEG-LA and Apple are keen to point out :) Jul 03 00:27:08 Robot101, I'm sure mpeg-la would want to argue that vp8 is mostly a modified h264 anyway Jul 03 00:27:28 And aren't they gathering a patent pool for vp8 already? :) Jul 03 00:27:59 yup, and I look forward to Google seeing them in court Jul 03 00:28:00 It happened to VC-1, didn't it? And VC-1 is much bigger deviation from h264 than the 1400 line vp8 ;p Jul 03 00:28:19 yeah but Google aren't trying to extract any video patent IP revenue Jul 03 00:28:25 they are trying to make it 0 cost Jul 03 00:28:30 microsoft was Jul 03 00:28:36 (trying to license VC-1) Jul 03 00:28:59 its like selling a house with somebody who's living in it, you get two ppl inside who are really confused and angry Jul 03 00:29:06 google just want to demolish the house Jul 03 00:29:07 :) Jul 03 00:29:32 but, they have acquired video codec IP with On2 Jul 03 00:29:35 so they have counter-claims Jul 03 00:29:43 so it'll be fun Jul 03 00:29:45 stand *well* back Jul 03 00:29:58 :) Jul 03 00:30:18 is there a way to autofocus the camera while taking a video Jul 03 00:30:27 page 38: Jul 03 00:30:31 is there an auto focus app Jul 03 00:30:32 >> Jul 03 00:30:34 DIGITAL AUDIO PROCESSING FOR PLAYBACK Jul 03 00:30:35 The DAC channel consists of optional filters for de-emphasis and bass, treble, midrange level adjustment, Jul 03 00:30:36 for the video camera Jul 03 00:30:37 speaker equalization, and 3-D effects processing. The de-emphasis function is implemented by a programmable Jul 03 00:30:38 Not that I know of, there's a manual focus app though Jul 03 00:30:38 digital filter block with fully programmable coefficients (see page 1, registers 21–26 for left channel, page 1, Jul 03 00:30:40 << Jul 03 00:30:52 huh? Jul 03 00:31:11 It makes the volume buttons focus instead of zoom Jul 03 00:31:12 iirc Jul 03 00:31:21 the UI was dreadful and unpredictable, I hated it Jul 03 00:31:56 yeah, but it kinda worked Jul 03 00:32:08 But I guess it's pretty damn impossible to make a tolerable UI ontop of another program Jul 03 00:32:14 also enables video light Jul 03 00:32:29 and can disable privacy light Jul 03 00:32:34 that's the issue, at least with camera-UI Jul 03 00:33:15 I don't know if there's anything preventing a camera-ui replacement from sending autofocus request to v4l.. Jul 03 00:33:25 that's be cool Jul 03 00:33:57 I'm not sure the v4l layer does that. Jul 03 00:34:13 hmm Jul 03 00:34:15 * SpeedEvil wonders Jul 03 00:34:44 I assumed it did, since I was under the impression that the hw could do autofocus Jul 03 00:34:51 The coefficients for this filter implement a variety of sound effects, with bass boost or treble boost being the most Jul 03 00:34:51 so you wouldn't have to do it in software Jul 03 00:34:53 commonly used in portable audio applications. The default N and D coefficients in the part are given in Table 5 Jul 03 00:34:54 and implement a shelving filter with 0-dB gain from dc to approximately 150 Hz, at which point it rolls off to a Jul 03 00:34:56 3-dB attenuation for higher-frequency signals, thus giving a 3-dB boost to signals below 150 Hz. The N and D Jul 03 00:34:57 coefficients are represented by 16-bit, 2s-complement numbers with values ranging from –32,768 to 32,767. Jul 03 00:35:17 ShadowJK: I'm not sure what part in the chain autofocus is pulled out. It could be several places. Jul 03 00:35:43 so if anybody feels temped to have a closer look into that - it's on page38 of above linked document Jul 03 00:35:48 ShadowJK: as I understand it, the camera can't - it's too dumb. The image processor block - IVA? I forget the name - in the SoC can do it. Jul 03 00:36:05 ShadowJK: But I don't know if it is smart enough to directly control the autofocus over I2C Jul 03 00:36:27 Well elements of IVA would be useful for determining the sharpness of the image atleast Jul 03 00:37:08 ShadowJK: Or if it requires something on the kernel side to read current sharpness - or sharpness over an area - and poke the focus Jul 03 00:37:45 SpeedEvil: I'd guess last one Jul 03 00:38:05 as you would want to define AF hotspot etc Jul 03 00:38:06 SpeedEvil, the kernel people will murder you if you suggest calculating brightness inside the kernel :) Jul 03 00:38:06 Or it could be just camera-ui looks at the image, and frobs the focus directly Jul 03 00:38:24 and also Focus is a DAC driven over I2C Jul 03 00:38:30 ShadowJK: Indeed - and sometimes the kernel people need to be poked with a sharp stick. Jul 03 00:38:37 DocScrutinizer: yeah - the ad* part Jul 03 00:38:49 nah, heavy calculations don't belong in kernel Jul 03 00:38:49 mhm, the 250mA ADC Jul 03 00:39:04 ShadowJK: I wasn't meaning sharpness Jul 03 00:39:49 ShadowJK: however - there's an argument for the kernel driver for the IVA bit knowing how to poke the sharpness into the focus control automagicall Jul 03 00:39:50 y Jul 03 00:39:58 as that is latency critical for optimal focus. Jul 03 00:40:07 I bet there's building blocks in SoC cam interface/buffer hardware, but you need a driver to set registers to define focus window, read out result and send to ADC, etc Jul 03 00:40:09 And you really actually do care about 10ms latency in that case. Jul 03 00:40:43 It'd also make the kernel a client of dspbridge for accessing iva.. Jul 03 00:40:56 I bet it'd be quite messy :-) Jul 03 00:41:25 yeah. In practice, accepting the slower focus may be the easier way Jul 03 00:41:50 You're limited by framerate anyway.. Jul 03 00:42:14 see, we already got a blob for video/still pict processing, as e.g. the frontcam needed quite some love from this driver to put it into semi-usable state Jul 03 00:42:49 ShadowJK: sure. Jul 03 00:43:02 It's not that. Jul 03 00:43:24 The SNR spec for the frontcam was _NOWHERE_ near close to being met with the previous firmware Jul 03 00:43:31 So something was wrong in setup Jul 03 00:43:36 and I bet this driver has knowledhe how to talk to some probably small DSP inside vam interface of SoC, to get such info like white bal, focus, brightness etc Jul 03 00:43:42 I wasn't talking about the front cam at any point whatsoever :-) Jul 03 00:43:54 The front cam and the back cam are identical processing Jul 03 00:44:00 they're even hooked to the same bus Jul 03 00:44:23 ShadowJK: for that topic there's no diff tween front & main cam Jul 03 00:44:23 sorry Jul 03 00:44:29 they go over a muxer Jul 03 00:44:47 The blob AIUI is a seperate DSP blocks program. Jul 03 00:45:01 The iPhone's display is really unbelievable. Jul 03 00:45:04 Which sets up stuff like pincushion and vignetting correction, as well as timing Jul 03 00:45:23 no idea about it. Anyway I bet we got better cards than that, for audio EQ Jul 03 00:45:24 I really need one in the N9 Jul 03 00:45:51 GAN900, the new one? Jul 03 00:46:04 hm wait, you want capacitive now? ;p Jul 03 00:46:06 n9? Jul 03 00:46:17 what can be so unbelievable? Jul 03 00:46:18 * SpeedEvil ponders a n900 with a .35" screen, and 3 keys. Jul 03 00:47:28 ShadowJK, nah, just 960x640 IPS Jul 03 00:47:40 (I do actually want a keyfob linux box) Jul 03 00:47:44 DocScrutinizer, 320 someodd ppi and IPS Jul 03 00:48:21 GAN900, hey if the choice was between the current 3.5" 800x480, 3.5" 960x640 and say 5" 800x480, what would you pick? :-) Jul 03 00:48:26 GAN900: hmm Jul 03 00:48:43 ShadowJK, 3.5" Jul 03 00:48:47 5" obviously Jul 03 00:48:48 5" 800x480, ofcourse Jul 03 00:48:53 ShadowJK, my answer is almost always PPI Jul 03 00:49:08 illegible ppi Jul 03 00:49:15 I never thought I'd see it, but N900 PPI is at the limit of my seeing :-) Jul 03 00:49:23 <_Elbachaco> spake spanish? Jul 03 00:49:34 <_Elbachaco> Be kept silent stupids go to the shit foreign homosexuals take his mothers Jul 03 00:49:35 no comprendo Jul 03 00:49:53 konfoo, yeah . . . resolution independence :rolleyes: Jul 03 00:50:06 gan900: haha yes the holy grail eh Jul 03 00:50:12 ShadowJK, iPhone 4 manages to actually be that for me Jul 03 00:50:13 <_Elbachaco> [konfoo] eres latino? Jul 03 00:50:15 is the iphone res full complete res or like android oled with half res gb? Jul 03 00:50:20 konfoo, I read a lot of ebooks. Jul 03 00:50:25 lcuk, IPS Jul 03 00:50:28 Complete Jul 03 00:50:36 nice Jul 03 00:50:37 gan900: so do i, but not on a mobile phone.. Jul 03 00:50:38 It's very rare that I see actual pixels on N900.. on N8x0 they were clearly visible for me though Jul 03 00:50:46 Maybe I need to get glasses now :/ Jul 03 00:50:49 GAN900, i made a slight breakthrough Jul 03 00:50:51 <_Elbachaco> You speak Spanish Jul 03 00:50:52 konfoo, I've read dozens of books on my N900 Jul 03 00:51:05 Hundreds between my 770 and N80p Jul 03 00:51:09 _Elbachaco: nope, this is an English channel Jul 03 00:51:10 GAN900, http://liqbase.net/20100626_005.mp4 Jul 03 00:51:14 Me too GAN900. Jul 03 00:51:19 * SpeedEvil hugs RST38h. Jul 03 00:51:21 damn Jul 03 00:51:28 GAN900, http://liqbase.net/20100626_003.mp4 even Jul 03 00:51:28 <_Elbachaco> Be kept silent stupids go to the shit foreign homosexuals take his mothers Jul 03 00:51:28 <3 FBReader Jul 03 00:51:37 hm, is N900 screen IPS or what Jul 03 00:51:46 elbachaco: yo quiero? Jul 03 00:51:47 and, thanks, RST38h for stepping up and making it usable. :) Jul 03 00:52:00 ShadowJK, dunno Jul 03 00:52:11 <_Elbachaco> [killefiz]  Jul 03 00:52:13 <_Elbachaco> [killefiz]  Jul 03 00:52:14 <_Elbachaco> [killefiz]  Jul 03 00:52:15 <_Elbachaco> [killefiz]  Jul 03 00:52:15 <_Elbachaco> [killefiz]  Jul 03 00:52:17 <_Elbachaco> [killefiz]  Jul 03 00:52:19 * konfoo rolls eyes Jul 03 00:52:34 "IPS has since been superseded by S-IPS (Super-IPS, Hitachi Ltd. in 1998)" Jul 03 00:52:34 A kinetic book reader would look much cooler. Jul 03 00:52:42 I'm not sure it would actually be better though Jul 03 00:52:50 killefiz, is that some newfangled script that's supposed to own us all Jul 03 00:52:53 SpeedEvil, see that vid i just pasted :P Jul 03 00:53:09 lcuk: I can't watch video ATM. Jul 03 00:53:20 :D Jul 03 00:53:35 * SpeedEvil is making flapjacks. Jul 03 00:53:55 ShadowJK, yeah, nobody actually uses IPS anymore Jul 03 00:54:08 So generally "IPS" means "S-IPS" Jul 03 00:54:42 api? s-ips? Jul 03 01:06:49 is there youtube tabs on TMO? Jul 03 01:06:52 tags* Jul 03 01:07:10 tags? Jul 03 01:07:34 as in link to make youtube vid in post Jul 03 01:07:37 ah Jul 03 01:07:59 * SpeedEvil ponders moving all of TMO over to youtube comment systems. Jul 03 01:08:31 ShadowJK: page38, and page90,91,92 - seems it's time for I2Ctools once again. Anybody good in mathematical definition of filters? Jul 03 01:09:54 ShadowJK: there seems to be no catch so far Jul 03 01:10:37 nice Jul 03 01:10:40 of what? Jul 03 01:10:43 DocScrutinizer Jul 03 01:11:18 except of course if Nokia decided just another time to occupy user resources for system purposes, leaving the user with the need to implement a replacement Jul 03 01:11:31 if I could immediately say what these mathematical definitions of filters were I'd try to make a bass-reduce one :) Jul 03 01:11:36 SpeedEvil: EQ in aic34 audio codec Jul 03 01:11:40 ah Jul 03 01:12:11 What is it - a FIR filter? Jul 03 01:12:15 we got a pretty usable set of freely programmable filters there Jul 03 01:12:26 err, yes AIUI Jul 03 01:12:31 ... Jul 03 01:12:46 So there is absolutely no point in the expensive battery consuming filter in the speaker line? Jul 03 01:13:09 * SpeedEvil sighs at sw people with no hw clue. Jul 03 01:16:04 and the generic compress filter or whatever "Music enhancement" is Jul 03 01:16:51 SpeedEvil: tell that to Nokia, so they might understand they miss an opportunity by not sending a dozen headhunters after me Jul 03 01:17:48 ShadowJK: It makes everything sound like WHAM. Jul 03 01:18:00 It's the task where I perform best - telling sw guys about hw properties and how to put them to purpose Jul 03 01:18:01 Wake me up, before you go go? Jul 03 01:18:12 haha Jul 03 01:18:39 wake me up before I get hungry Jul 03 01:18:44 cya Jul 03 01:19:08 I'm guessing they just have list of specs to make Jul 03 01:19:08 http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/licensing/instaloadoverview.mspx <- a bit ridiculus now that i see it. Jul 03 01:19:25 and get shot down if someone even suggests making an extra feature Jul 03 01:19:33 be it any kind of equalizer Jul 03 01:19:38 ShadowJK: yeah Jul 03 01:19:55 ShadowJK: 'how cheaply can we implement this list of features' Jul 03 01:19:55 ShadowJK: yep, and those lists probably done by the dudes with no clue about either particular hw nor decent sw architecture Jul 03 01:20:40 * DocScrutinizer mumbles "yeah - >>our next device needs an OLED<<" Jul 03 01:20:51 LOL Jul 03 01:21:10 I saw OLED lighting panels for sale. Jul 03 01:21:55 20lm/W though - and stupidly expensive - and 10000 hours to 50% brightness Jul 03 01:22:26 why would you use oled lighting panels... Jul 03 01:22:34 that seems... silly Jul 03 01:22:41 when I asked, there was no clue about whether this OLED is an idicator LED, an array (which size) to display enriched info during suspend, a OLED screen, or whatever. BUT it MUST BE OLED Jul 03 01:23:30 ShadowJK: In principle, it's not a stupid idea - it has benefits over LED - it's an inherently flat diffused panel Jul 03 01:23:59 ShadowJK: But extremely expensive ATM. And stupid life. Jul 03 01:25:30 yeah, but you *should* have an idea about what it will become in the end, at least a fuzzy little idea of it. Just saying "we need OLED (that looks nice as a buzzword on product spec)" - that's utterly stupid alas I've seen exactly that in a company we both know Jul 03 01:26:15 I'm not sure diffused is an inherent property :) Jul 03 01:26:29 ShadowJK: It is. Jul 03 01:26:37 ShadowJK: Well - for lighting OLEDs. Jul 03 01:26:54 * ShadowJK has an mp3 player with oled display, appart from the brightness and contrast it looks about the same as normal LCD/TFT, with big black borders around each pixel :-) Jul 03 01:28:02 * DocScrutinizer is away. If someone wants to mess around with filter coefficients N0..N5,D0..D5 then ping me Jul 03 01:28:42 ShadowJK: In that the individual OLED elements emit evenly over the area they are in. You can't make a 1m*1m 1 'pixel' conventional LED. Jul 03 01:28:55 ah Jul 03 01:29:20 SpeedEvil: http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlv320aic34.pdf page 38, page 90..92 Jul 03 01:29:21 ShadowJK: For conventional LEDs, you need lots of LEDs, and it's a compromise between optical complexity, thickness, and number of LEDs. Jul 03 01:29:41 or one powerled.. Jul 03 01:30:16 ShadowJK: Sure. Jul 03 01:30:20 ShadowJK: with diffusor Jul 03 01:30:42 ShadowJK: now show me an optical design that illuminates a 1m*1m panel evenly from a point light source and is 1cm thick. Jul 03 01:30:58 lol Jul 03 01:31:12 It's easy if you can accept a 4m thick panel. :) Jul 03 01:31:24 SOrry, I thought the objective was to get light :) Jul 03 01:32:47 * SpeedEvil wishes he had a nice lab. Jul 03 01:32:55 I want to try to make a 3D virtual sky. Jul 03 01:40:00 is it still necessary to run gpsjinni along other apps (like maps) to improve satellite reception? Jul 03 01:43:09 souldn't be Jul 03 01:43:12 Allegedly not, but I haven't tried it Jul 03 01:43:44 Actually I haven't started maps at all after installing 1.2 :/ Jul 03 01:45:24 yello Jul 03 01:46:32 well I'm using gps without 3g for a few more days Jul 03 01:49:37 howdy, I see the image download link of meego for the n900 - anyone know if you can dual boot it with maemo? Jul 03 01:53:16 Jef91, if you're not a developer i really can't see why you need to install it Jul 03 01:53:21 and please, #meego :) Jul 03 01:53:57 oh good point, I wanna try that Jul 03 01:54:05 :D Jul 03 01:56:04 I just want to play with it Jul 03 01:56:16 and if I can do it without wiping out maemo I'd do it Jul 03 01:56:35 yeah, me too Jul 03 01:57:51 Jef91, the way i hear it, the image is 500MB+, so don't expect it to be on the ubifs partition Jul 03 01:58:38 ubifs? Jul 03 01:59:53 When I was without internet connectivity I used to run gpsjinni alot so that I had a fix ready for when I used the camera or navigation Jul 03 02:01:18 ShadowJK, does the reason for doing that still stand if one is without service? Jul 03 02:01:36 oh, you meana you kept gpsjinni running all of the time just in case Jul 03 02:01:43 that's smart Jul 03 02:01:45 yeah Jul 03 02:02:13 Normally I have xchat running all the time, online on IRC. battery would last about a day Jul 03 02:02:30 when offline the gpsjinni power consumption was only slightly higher.. so it worked out for me Jul 03 02:02:30 what do you think of pidgin vs that? Jul 03 02:02:37 or can't the maemo pidgin run irc Jul 03 02:02:50 dunno Jul 03 02:02:58 how can you see battery consumption for just one app? Jul 03 02:03:09 You can't Jul 03 02:03:35 You add or remove apps and compare Jul 03 02:03:36 okay, that's what I thought Jul 03 02:03:54 how do you manage battery consumption in general then? Jul 03 02:04:07 from my subjective evidence, installing apps takes way more battery than anything else Jul 03 02:06:13 Power consumption during downloading over 3g can be somewhere around 600-1000mA, during installation this drops to 300-500mA. So in total you can spend, I guess, 2 hours looking at the progress bars. Jul 03 02:06:17 (before battery runs out) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 03 02:59:56 2010