**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 05 02:59:58 2010 Jul 05 03:00:23 GAN900: I'm still awake, why aren't you? Jul 05 03:01:07 are the buttons on the N800 not on the schematics? I've looked everywhere for at least 20 minutes, and STILL can't find them. Am I overlooking them or are they just not there? Jul 05 03:02:58 crashanddie, because I'm employed. *g* Jul 05 03:03:04 sob Jul 05 03:03:10 WormFood, no idea, sorry. Jul 05 03:03:27 WormFood: not there (at least, on the n810 schems) Jul 05 03:03:38 figures :( Jul 05 03:07:40 GAN900: sorry I'm sleeping Jul 05 03:09:46 GAN900: c-base is a cool location. I wonder why they don't offer the page in English Jul 05 03:20:41 Aye, the first Summit was there. Jul 05 03:24:18 I'd love to seem OpenMoko try a round two using MeeGo. Jul 05 03:26:48 uh? Jul 05 03:28:11 Random brain-to-channel dump warning. :P Jul 05 03:30:09 lol, idiot spamming #freenode. Chosen the right channel :-P Jul 05 03:37:19 GAN900: OM the Inc. won't do anything - at least with phones and MeeGo Jul 05 03:37:39 GAN900: AIUI OM is zombie or completely dead Jul 05 03:37:54 Wiki readers for everyone! Jul 05 03:37:59 there's OM the community of course Jul 05 03:38:16 yeah, I just checked it...and my N800 is the newest firmware --> Version of 'sw-release': RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_MR0 ---- The device is in production mode Jul 05 03:38:30 * WormFood sighs Jul 05 03:38:33 GAN900: even WR I've seen with different brand label recently - dunno what's going on there Jul 05 03:38:42 But it'd be nice to see a hardware platform that has features that aren't driven my Nokia's marketing and market research temas Jul 05 03:38:44 I know updating the firmware won't help, but I'll try it anyways. Jul 05 03:40:00 But sans the naivety of OpenPandora Jul 05 03:40:00 there won't be any OM hw platform that comes any way near what N900 is right now Jul 05 03:41:51 and tbh OpenPandora isn't really that much more naive than my company was, at least to me it seems so Jul 05 03:42:47 Likely Jul 05 03:43:16 I'm just tired of Nokia making these things less and less appealing to me with each generation. Jul 05 03:43:24 GAN900: you might want to follow on what qi-hardware is doing Jul 05 03:44:17 If only everything else weren't A. Crap or B. Proprietary crap. Jul 05 03:44:32 GAN900: http://en.qi-hardware.com http://www.nanonote.cc Jul 05 03:45:23 anyone have a pandora? Jul 05 03:46:26 DocScrutinizer: Ben is A. Crap Jul 05 03:46:31 yep, just as I expected....reflashing it does not help :( Jul 05 03:46:32 yo Jul 05 03:50:32 WormFood: you got URL to schem? Maybe erratic behaviour is due to flat backup battery? Jul 05 03:51:16 hold on a sec DocScrutinizer, and I'll see if I can find them again. I don't think there is a backup battery in it. Jul 05 03:51:18 WormFood: (I never owned a N800, so no schematics here fot that device) Jul 05 03:51:40 WormFood: It doesn't have a RTC?? o.O Jul 05 03:52:07 yeah, but I don't think it has a backup battery Jul 05 03:52:24 WormFood: usually you got a bupbat to keep RTC running, and also to make states of PMU statemachine persistent Jul 05 03:52:44 222.2 mb for wesnoth is insane Jul 05 03:52:52 http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/schematics/ Jul 05 03:53:04 N770, N800 and N810 schematics there Jul 05 03:53:16 and service manuals for N800 and N810 Jul 05 03:53:19 WormFood: If butbat is flat, then PMU statemachine will enter reset state oninserting main battery Jul 05 03:54:13 if it uses anything, it is probably a supercap Jul 05 03:54:59 interestingly, now it seems to power off with the power button, but not power on Jul 05 03:56:29 There is a backup battery. Jul 05 03:56:40 where it is GAN900? Jul 05 03:56:54 if there is one, then it is not user accessible Jul 05 03:56:59 Dunno Jul 05 03:57:10 You'll have to take it apart, I believe. Jul 05 03:57:24 Which isn't too hard on the N800. Jul 05 03:57:32 I did take it apart. If there is a battery, it is not a normal formfactor Jul 05 03:59:02 WormFood: Vback, page2, directly under xtal and (5) Jul 05 04:00:27 then it is a supercap Jul 05 04:00:35 oh, no Jul 05 04:00:36 you're right Jul 05 04:00:41 I see it on the schematics now Jul 05 04:01:13 at first glance it looked like a cap, but I see it is a single cell battery Jul 05 04:03:26 but where it is physically? Jul 05 04:05:41 easy to spot, it's always a silver button Jul 05 04:05:49 rather large Jul 05 04:06:06 look at the picture on page 8 Jul 05 04:06:07 usually at a PCB edge Jul 05 04:06:11 ok Jul 05 04:06:29 yeah, I know what it usually looks like, and where it usually is....but I don't see it. Jul 05 04:06:42 next to USB Jul 05 04:07:09 left side Jul 05 04:08:06 hmm, <30s to spot it. Not bad :-P Jul 05 04:09:47 :p Jul 05 04:11:52 AA-5/6 Jul 05 04:11:57 you're right, that does look like the battery Jul 05 04:12:14 the tab on it threw me off....I was looking for something round :P Jul 05 04:12:37 and it does appear to be corroded too....I wonder where I can find a replacement for it Jul 05 04:13:12 I have to go to 华强北 (hua qiang bei) tomorrow...I'm 99.9% sure I can find one there with enough leg work Jul 05 04:14:01 now I need to buy a decent temp control solder iron, or pay someone a few bucks to replace it for me....it is so close to the sd card slot, I'd rather do it myself. Jul 05 04:14:06 G1401 Jul 05 04:14:32 is that the part number of the battery, or the nokia N800 part number? Jul 05 04:14:42 Nokia part # Jul 05 04:14:51 :-/ Jul 05 04:15:08 that is what I figured....but I need the normal part number to find a replacement. Jul 05 04:15:21 I hate to bring my N800 with me, but it shouldn't be too hard to do Jul 05 04:15:51 I wonder why the schematics shows it as a single cell (looking like a cap), when it must be at least a double cell (because of the voltage) Jul 05 04:16:08 as usual, Nokia doesn't see any need for real partnames in their schematics >:-( it's named '2.8/3.3V' Jul 05 04:17:07 it's a LiIon cell, and that's a single cell special backup chemistry Jul 05 04:17:29 so -> 2.8/3.3V Jul 05 04:17:39 it's quite standard Jul 05 04:18:10 looks like 2.6/3.3 to me, but those schematics are not clear Jul 05 04:18:21 ok, 2.6 maybe Jul 05 04:18:32 I was thinking even the button cells (3v) are double cell Jul 05 04:18:39 that's such a blurry crap, my tired eyeballs fail to see Jul 05 04:18:55 yeah, it is tiring on my eyeballs too Jul 05 04:19:02 and page 5 really fucks with me. Jul 05 04:19:35 I'm 1/2 tempted to go to 华强北 today, and find it, but I need to pick up a laptop tomorrow to get a new motherboard for too Jul 05 04:19:37 yeah, that's real crap Jul 05 04:19:46 very frustrating Jul 05 04:20:24 I scanned in the schematics for one of my ham radios (very old, like late 1970s model), and I went out of my way to make sure I got the best scan I could, so I could share it with others Jul 05 04:20:29 just use a CR1505 or whatever, and solder a spring so you can clip it in Jul 05 04:20:48 there isn't enough room Jul 05 04:21:03 I know, it looks like there is, but the case (which they don't show) does not have enough space in that area Jul 05 04:21:19 hmm, I got a 5 dozen bupbat here, but presumably all are dead meanwhile Jul 05 04:21:33 for OM GTA01 Jul 05 04:21:42 looks identical Jul 05 04:21:47 maybe it does have enough space...kinda hard to see Jul 05 04:21:57 ever heard of "hua qiang bei"? Jul 05 04:22:01 it is a location Jul 05 04:22:07 where? Jul 05 04:22:11 shenzhen, china Jul 05 04:22:21 never been in Shenzen Jul 05 04:22:35 I've been living here for almost 2 1/2 years....you'd love it Jul 05 04:22:39 I can't imagine I would tolerate going to China for any reason Jul 05 04:22:50 that area is jam packed with computers and electronics Jul 05 04:22:58 been in Taipei. There's also a nice district for electronics Jul 05 04:23:38 the place I will go is 3 or 4 buildings, called 华强电子世界 (hua qiang electronics world)....they literally have everything Jul 05 04:24:03 WormFood: gears? Jul 05 04:24:28 sure, for electronics type stuff...like CD players and VCRs Jul 05 04:24:36 gears are gears Jul 05 04:24:37 <.< Jul 05 04:24:40 :P Jul 05 04:24:47 how about for pendulums? Jul 05 04:24:50 pendulums are cool Jul 05 04:24:52 now I need to learn the word in mandarin for "battery" Jul 05 04:25:18 WormFood: 'hoike' Jul 05 04:25:21 * RST38h moos Jul 05 04:25:25 not sure the written character Jul 05 04:25:25 yay. Thank God in TPE everybody knows English Jul 05 04:25:43 why thank god for that? :P Jul 05 04:25:43 Large, sharpened pendulums, yesss Jul 05 04:25:49 no luke-jr, that is not mandarin Jul 05 04:25:59 WormFood: aww, you figured me out too easily! Jul 05 04:26:00 it should start with 电 Jul 05 04:26:11 I admit, I made it up on the spot Jul 05 04:26:18 it looks like it Jul 05 04:26:27 if you said "dian____" I'd probably believe you Jul 05 04:26:28 WormFood: as otherwise I still would try to find the things I had to buy there, or find my way out of the district Jul 05 04:26:49 I usually don't have too much problem, even tho my mandarin skills are minimal Jul 05 04:27:04 I can ask for the price, and I understand numbers, and I can ask for a receipt Jul 05 04:27:41 but do you understand TONAL numbers??? Jul 05 04:28:04 luke: The ones produced by a phone? =) Jul 05 04:28:06 I got a WRT54GS V1 router here, with 8m flash, and 32m ram....and the ram went bad....I was able to buy new RAM chips for 8 RMB (about $1.15 USD) each....then paid someone 20 RMB (about $3 USD) to replace them for me..... Jul 05 04:28:08 ... no Jul 05 04:28:17 those are dual tonal number Jul 05 04:28:26 DTMF = Dual Tone Multi-Frequency ;) Jul 05 04:28:28 you both fail Jul 05 04:28:38 luke-jr, what are you talking about Jul 05 04:28:39 tonal as in the number ton Jul 05 04:28:57 as oppposed to decimal Jul 05 04:29:02 no that's tonage Jul 05 04:29:04 DocScrutinizer, thanks a lot for your help finding that battery. I was looking for the wrong think...you have sharp, experienced eyes Jul 05 04:29:17 wrong thing* Jul 05 04:29:18 indeed Jul 05 04:29:24 you're welcome Jul 05 04:29:26 http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/tonal-system/10991090 Jul 05 04:29:50 This is a little outside of my area of expertise. I don't have to deal with these types of batteries too much....I was expecting something bigger, and more rounded Jul 05 04:30:10 I used to repair 2-way radios years ago....I was very good with that stuff. Jul 05 04:30:53 luke-jr, nobody uses that in the real world Jul 05 04:31:03 WormFood: I do! Jul 05 04:31:12 for dealing with what? Jul 05 04:31:18 everything! Jul 05 04:31:45 luke-jr is an open source fanatic, WormFood, he uses weird things Jul 05 04:31:55 RST38h: free software, not open source! Jul 05 04:32:00 <.< Jul 05 04:32:01 probably uses Linux too Jul 05 04:32:11 tanal system Jul 05 04:32:13 mix of total and... Jul 05 04:32:16 invented by somebody who *really* got bored Jul 05 04:32:18 after he had finished learnng inuktitut and cherokee Jul 05 04:32:27 John Nystrom was a famous engineer! Jul 05 04:32:38 * ShadowJK would have assumed teh backup battery is a Lithium battery without the -Ion Jul 05 04:36:09 Battery is 电池 Diànchí Jul 05 04:37:09 weird....the 2nd character means "pond"....literally "electric pond" (sorta makes sense in a chinese way) Jul 05 04:38:55 makes sense in an English way too IMO Jul 05 04:39:08 Hah, cool Jul 05 04:39:16 pool of electricity Jul 05 04:40:25 I wonder if resevoir might be a better translation? Jul 05 04:42:04 ShadowJK: maybe - I'm not familiar with the exact type of cell chemistry they use for those exotic critters Jul 05 04:42:54 actually, google translate says "pond, reservoir, stall"...my dictionary also says "pool" Jul 05 04:43:23 but many times a reservoir is a pond/pool....so asj, you're right I thinks Jul 05 04:43:49 if you say the tones wrong, it could come out as "electric eats/food" Jul 05 04:46:53 anyone here got PS3 controller working and know how to connect it without keymaps? Jul 05 04:52:11 yummy, need to get my 5kWh electric breakfast :-P Jul 05 04:55:08 ShadowJK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_battery - the PC backup battery is shown on top Jul 05 04:56:04 Works pretty much the same as a standard watch battery, but produces twice the voltage Jul 05 04:56:13 these are primary cells Jul 05 05:00:04 "Unused lithium batteries provide a convenient source of lithium metal for use as a reducing agent in methamphetamine labs. Some jurisdictions have passed laws to restrict lithium battery sales..." Jul 05 05:00:16 Mhm Jul 05 05:01:23 *facepalm* Jul 05 05:01:30 heh Jul 05 05:02:16 anyone care to test my new tech demo? http://liranuna.com/junk/n900-google-maps Jul 05 05:02:26 need internet connection and it will create a directory called 'cache' Jul 05 05:02:52 if anyone can tell me why the touch screen is so slow (drawing speeds are awesome) will be much appriciated Jul 05 05:03:42 doing a lot of data exchange with the mmc? Jul 05 05:03:43 if any of you are concerned about malicious code, n900-google-maps Jul 05 05:03:44 er Jul 05 05:03:47 http://github.com/LiraNuna/n900-google-maps Jul 05 05:04:06 RST38h, nope, just drawing and reading touchscreen Jul 05 05:04:19 data is in GPU Jul 05 05:05:23 drawing speed seems fast, I believe the touchscreen is having hard time catching up Jul 05 05:06:22 where is the cache/ ? Jul 05 05:07:39 it'll create it in the same dir it's on Jul 05 05:07:45 ah Jul 05 05:07:51 assuming you have write access Jul 05 05:11:01 "The rankings in the books category of the US iTunes store features 40 out of 50 apps by the same app developer, Thuat Nguyen. What's more concerning is that it seems individuals' iTunes accounts have been hacked to make mass purchases of that one developer's apps." Jul 05 05:11:04 Lovely, lovely Jul 05 05:11:42 RST38h, any clue on the touchscreen issue? Jul 05 05:11:51 * RST38h bets the "developer" has "borrowed" his books from the Gutenberg project Jul 05 05:12:04 LiraNuna: my guess is that you are running it off mmc Jul 05 05:12:22 it doesn't do any file system I/O Jul 05 05:12:24 LiraNuna: or it is allocating huge blocks of memory causing swapping to the mmc Jul 05 05:12:43 ok, can I see your event loop? Jul 05 05:12:51 handled by Qt Jul 05 05:13:15 Could you show the even loop at your side? Jul 05 05:13:20 event Jul 05 05:13:51 http://pastie.org/private/oom8drmhdf78ov5zspxqgw Jul 05 05:13:52 http://github.com/LiraNuna/n900-google-maps/blob/master/source/googlemapwidget.cpp ::paintGL() ? Jul 05 05:13:54 not mcuh to it Jul 05 05:14:32 LiraNuna: measure time your paintGL() takes Jul 05 05:14:47 on it Jul 05 05:14:49 by inserting gettimeofday() Jul 05 05:15:36 or by using qtestlib and place all of the code inside "QBENCHMARK { }" -block Jul 05 05:20:29 libQtTest is not available on the N900? Jul 05 05:20:36 oh yeah Jul 05 05:20:37 true Jul 05 05:20:39 probably Jul 05 05:22:00 it's probably just not packaged by default Jul 05 05:22:37 /home/user/n900-google-maps: error while loading shared libraries: libQtTest.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jul 05 05:23:29 LiraNuna: gettimeofday(). Jul 05 05:23:34 gettimeofday gives better performance anyways Jul 05 05:23:36 LiraNuna: Forget the funny Qt crap. Jul 05 05:24:03 k Jul 05 05:24:04 using qtestlib is just the cute way of doing it Jul 05 05:26:39 How is facebook info stored in the addr-book? Jul 05 05:29:58 the speed veries Jul 05 05:30:47 http://pastie.org/private/aa6b6ev5x184tfuaptaoq Jul 05 05:30:51 am I doing it right? Jul 05 05:31:32 is there a way to tell your SIP phone number from the client? Jul 05 05:32:03 not that I can't look it up with the provider, but I'd be surprised if it can't be seen Jul 05 05:33:00 oh: there is no inherent correlation between dialed extensions and SIP accounts Jul 05 05:33:17 so your "phone number" could be different for every call Jul 05 05:33:33 therefore, it is impossible for N900 to tell you that information Jul 05 05:33:36 liranuna: no Jul 05 05:33:46 liranuna: you have to account the usec difference as well Jul 05 05:34:07 I never used gettimeofday for benchmark Jul 05 05:34:25 liranuna: and you probably also want to print the time that passes between paintGL() calls, to see how long painting takes relative to the rest Jul 05 05:34:38 gettimeofday is not a benchmark, it simply reads system clock Jul 05 05:34:44 luke-jr: calling via xmpp at 3am is a bad habit Jul 05 05:34:45 I understand Jul 05 05:35:19 All right, time to go to work Jul 05 05:35:20 (leaving sound enabled too) Jul 05 06:01:34 http://pastie.org/private/eya99ikzepzwn9ukdaexla Jul 05 06:01:40 this confirms what I thought Jul 05 06:01:55 touchscreen polling is slow Jul 05 06:03:04 do you really have to poll the screen? Jul 05 06:03:19 or if you have to, can you push it off into a thread Jul 05 06:10:41 asj, where's the 'development' forums? Jul 05 06:10:54 oh nv Jul 05 06:39:15 baaah neeed coffeeeeee Jul 05 06:40:53 frals: do make -C kitchen coffee Jul 05 06:41:32 watch out if you use optimizations Jul 05 06:46:27 Good morning! Jul 05 06:46:32 mornin Jul 05 07:22:22 Great... boss is on vacation and he left a "small" to-do list on my desk. First task: rip and convert these 32 DVDs to proper format. Deadline: today Jul 05 07:23:08 ask him for a raise when he comes back ;) Jul 05 07:23:28 I wish I had more than seven hours to complete the task... or if the material were already at least in any_other_format than DVD. Takes ages to rip that pile :D Jul 05 07:23:52 * D-Iivil_Work gets some coffee before doing anything Jul 05 07:23:56 not if you have those automated robotic arms that would automate the tasks more Jul 05 07:24:29 psycho_oreos, luckily I have three _powerfull_ machines to do this job with, but still. Jul 05 07:24:44 ones that push the drive door so that it opens, and an arm to grab the disc, put it onto a spindle and grab another one from the other spindle, put it into the drive and make the door close Jul 05 07:24:56 Heh :P Jul 05 07:24:59 lol you need those robotic arms, they ease off the work very easily Jul 05 07:25:27 I don't know what they're called, but they're part of the professional copy/remastering tools Jul 05 07:25:42 psycho_oreos: don't you have 32 drives? Jul 05 07:26:00 rip them on one machine and farm off the work on the other machines so it'll convert in no time Jul 05 07:26:03 * D-Iivil_Work writes note to himself: NEVER EVER ACCEPT STUFF FROM CLIENTS IN ANY OTHER MEDIA THAN HDD Jul 05 07:26:08 kerio, 32 virtual drives, yes :) Jul 05 07:26:16 those are the best kind of drives! Jul 05 07:26:20 not sure if they'll help you though Jul 05 07:26:53 they won't help D-Iivil_Work's case :) but like I said, one of those robotic thingys.. I'll google for it Jul 05 07:27:36 Oh great. Just great. The contents of the DVD's are in one goddamn mpeg2 -file. That means I have to manually split the contents into separate files also. Fuck fuck fuck. Jul 05 07:27:52 I should change my name from 'oh' Jul 05 07:28:00 at least you don't have to rip them Jul 05 07:28:01 do you? Jul 05 07:28:05 kerio, sure I do. Jul 05 07:28:52 D-Iivil_Work: oh, an unsplit video dvd? Jul 05 07:28:55 The case is: I have a pile of music videos delivered on 32 DVDs. Each DVD has ~20 videos or more. And at least three first discs are authorized in the way that every video is bounced into same goddamn file. Jul 05 07:29:01 that... makes no sense Jul 05 07:29:11 wtf Jul 05 07:29:50 kerio, well.. never ever underestimate the stupidity of a client who wants his material distributed and has no knowledge on computers or anything. Jul 05 07:30:03 tell your boss you couldn't do it Jul 05 07:30:08 because of... Jul 05 07:30:15 incompatible bit-registration operators Jul 05 07:30:18 kerio, the client made a "custom" dvd's where he delivers the stuff. Jul 05 07:30:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfraqofgHTY Jul 05 07:30:35 timeless_mbp: ping Jul 05 07:30:56 psycho_oreos: that's awesome Jul 05 07:30:58 Well, the deadline is impossible :D Jul 05 07:31:19 So I might just take a first break right now and think this through... Jul 05 07:32:18 pong Jul 05 07:32:29 timeless_mbp: did you setup mxr for meego? Jul 05 07:32:39 part way Jul 05 07:32:42 mxr.moego.org/ Jul 05 07:32:50 the index is still not glued together Jul 05 07:32:53 * timeless_mbp should glue it Jul 05 07:33:04 (and it isn't cron'd to update) Jul 05 07:33:10 alright, cheers Jul 05 07:35:55 -rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless timeless 1.6G Feb 20 20:46 repo.moblin.org/xref Jul 05 07:35:58 scary, isn't it? Jul 05 07:36:27 what's that? Jul 05 07:36:53 the database behind a cross reference Jul 05 07:37:33 i have video files bigger than that Jul 05 07:37:38 -rw-rw-r--+ 1 timeless pg922508 1.1G 2009-11-20 02:25 fremantle-20091116/xref Jul 05 07:37:48 yeah, but video files are supposed to be big Jul 05 07:37:56 cross references are usually not very big Jul 05 07:38:12 well, it depends on what they're cross-referencing Jul 05 07:38:17 -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless timeless 66M Jul 5 03:48 /data/mxr-data/mozilla-central/xref Jul 05 07:38:24 that's a typical cross reference database Jul 05 07:38:49 the fremantle/moblin databases are … a tad bigger Jul 05 07:39:14 * timeless_mbp tries to remember where the pieces for the meego db live Jul 05 07:40:03 2.4G total Jul 05 07:40:09 is my estimated size for the meego db Jul 05 07:40:43 (that's assuming one can sum databases to get a useful result) Jul 05 07:41:34 just the corresponding filedatabase for meego is bigger than mozilla-central's identifier database :o Jul 05 07:54:27 X-Fade, ping Jul 05 07:56:41 ~seen X-Fade Jul 05 07:56:43 x-fade is currently on #maemo #meego, last said: 'Sure, let's see.'. Jul 05 08:03:18 Since X-Fade is somewhere away from keyboard, is there someone else who knows about repos? Jul 05 08:03:46 depends what you ned to know about em? Jul 05 08:04:07 Well, two guestions: why I can't see promote to extras link here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/black-plastic-theme/2.000/ Jul 05 08:04:23 Package has 25 + votes and the three days quarantee has passed a while ago. Jul 05 08:04:33 quarantine is 10 days Jul 05 08:04:39 unless that's been altered recently Jul 05 08:04:54 And secondly, why is the package description being overwritten by devel-version of the package (???) Jul 05 08:05:07 nidO, ok. That explains it. I recalled it was three days. Jul 05 08:06:19 The description is overwritten also for the extras-version of the package (it shows the description of the devel-version when browsin maemo.org/downloads Jul 05 08:06:48 probably a package interface bug, that one will have to be taken up with x-fade Jul 05 08:07:30 have you checked whether the description's also wrong when you view the package in ham? Jul 05 08:07:48 nidO, pretty annoying bug since the extras version shows now completely wrong information on the description and is confusing the users (I'm gettin email from users that are asking where the hell is the features that are mentioned in the description) :-D Jul 05 08:08:11 nidO, will check that. Have to uninstall the package and disable devel first... plaah :D Jul 05 08:24:03 good morning Jul 05 08:24:40 mornin' Jul 05 09:10:41 the TMO hamster is having a hard time with all the reporting, apparentluy Jul 05 09:15:31 (Pass 4) identifier 2763600 [kernel-2.6.33] of 419 / 963 files... Jul 05 09:15:45 * timeless_mbp should change 'files' to 'databases' Jul 05 09:18:40 is there anyone here who is affiliated with the Hildon Extras project? Jul 05 09:26:08 Jaffa: Reginald Stadlbauer != Founder of ITT ;) reggie's profile is at http://maemo.org/profile/view/rsuplido/ Jul 05 09:27:50 Jaffa: maybe you or someone else can change this link + name on the current mwkn.net issue Jul 05 09:34:56 chem|st: you could've at least waited until i got a few thanks for the mobile internet thread :( Jul 05 09:35:20 chem|st: err, VoIP/mobile calls thread... Why did you move it back to OT? Jul 05 09:44:47 X-Fade, ping :/ Jul 05 10:08:09 MohammadAG, _o/ Jul 05 10:08:17 o hai Jul 05 10:08:18 :p Jul 05 10:10:41 hi Jul 05 10:10:56 my battery has started to say it's low when it's not Jul 05 10:11:19 i take off the back, and it doesn't sit in the battery-area at all Jul 05 10:11:36 (it goes off almost just when holding it upside-down Jul 05 10:11:38 ) Jul 05 10:12:51 So I saw the thread about using your own voice for a navigation app Jul 05 10:13:03 then I couldn't help but think what if morgan freeman did this Jul 05 10:13:15 so on a whim I did a google search Jul 05 10:13:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsaki6RfTno Jul 05 10:14:04 dotblank: with what? ovi maps? Jul 05 10:14:23 i thought it didn't support voice instructions Jul 05 10:14:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53845 Jul 05 10:18:19 I actually flashed my n900 yesterday and now it is not detecting the Sim Card Jul 05 10:18:25 what might be the problem? Jul 05 10:18:27 any idea? Jul 05 10:18:33 or is it harware related? Jul 05 10:18:41 did you flash to an older firmware? Jul 05 10:18:54 I tried all Jul 05 10:19:00 I flashed it into the latest one Jul 05 10:19:04 as well as the older one Jul 05 10:19:19 but it doesn't seem to recognize the sim card Jul 05 10:19:19 kakashi_: maybe the sim-contacts are a lil oxidised or something... you tried putting it in several times? Jul 05 10:19:46 mikki-kun, yes, I did try putting it lots of times Jul 05 10:20:10 what should I use to clean the surface of the sim-contacts? Jul 05 10:20:32 dotblank: awesome youtube link :) Jul 05 10:20:55 hm... maybe trying the sim in another phone and another sim in the n900 could be 'helpful' in determining where the problem could be Jul 05 10:21:10 kakashi_: did you try a different phone? Jul 05 10:21:29 yes, the sim works on the other phone Jul 05 10:21:41 and it used to work till yesterday on n900 Jul 05 10:21:45 ok.. Jul 05 10:21:54 e71 is more readable in sunlight for some reasonn .. Transflective contrast seems higher than n900 Jul 05 10:21:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnBh94l-kwg Jul 05 10:24:11 any ideas ? is it a firmware error? Jul 05 10:24:43 i'd assume it's the contacts... Jul 05 10:24:57 what is the right way of flashing ? eMMC and then rootfs or rootfs and eMMC, I am not rebooting in the middle, so I thought both are the same Jul 05 10:25:25 same if you don't reboot in between Jul 05 10:25:35 preferably eMMC then rootfs Jul 05 10:26:22 hmm... anyways, is there something that I can use to clean the contacts myself? Jul 05 10:26:33 the n900 comes w/ a user guide Jul 05 10:26:39 I used the tissue paper till now Jul 05 10:26:43 you could check to see if this is covered... Jul 05 10:27:23 it does? Jul 05 10:27:36 I mean I got the n900 w/o user guide Jul 05 10:28:03 Is there a "softer" way to reload hildon-home than just doing "killall hildon-home"? Jul 05 10:28:24 Because the default theme selector does that but I cannot figure out how it does it. Jul 05 10:28:50 (killing hildon-home causes python widgets to disappear and they have to be manually re-added) Jul 05 10:29:41 kakashi_: it's electronic Jul 05 10:29:46 open file manager Jul 05 10:29:56 it should be in documents > user guide or something Jul 05 10:30:00 aha! Jul 05 10:30:01 okay Jul 05 10:30:08 D-Iivil_Work: probably some dbus message? Jul 05 10:30:17 there's also a tiny pamphlet that comes w/ the n900 Jul 05 10:30:20 not sure what's in it Jul 05 10:30:37 but since you own your n900, you should consider checking them before you attack it :) Jul 05 10:30:37 kerio, I was thinking that too. Is there a way to monitor the dbus and find out what the theme selector does when changing theme? Jul 05 10:30:48 I am right now on linux, I tried using PC-Suit on windows 7 and it was not able to detect n900 through PC Mode Jul 05 10:30:54 D-Iivil_Work: dbus-monitor is easy... Jul 05 10:30:56 user guides? meh :) Jul 05 10:31:02 PFFFFFFFFFF USER GUIDE Jul 05 10:31:11 just ask here your dumb questions Jul 05 10:31:14 eventually, someone will answer Jul 05 10:31:14 timeless_mbp, guidance would be highly appreciated ;) Jul 05 10:31:23 D-Iivil_Work: lmgtfy.com Jul 05 10:31:47 most user guides don't answer dumb questions anyway Jul 05 10:31:48 timeless_mbp, yeah. Jul 05 10:31:52 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dbus+monitor Jul 05 10:32:01 D-Iivil_Work: dbus-monitor > log Jul 05 10:32:04 then just do it Jul 05 10:32:12 then open the log and see what's the message Jul 05 10:32:18 technically there are two main buses, the system one and the user one Jul 05 10:32:30 but i'd hope you only care about the default bus Jul 05 10:32:44 timeless_mbp: worst case scenario, he can just run it as root and catch everything Jul 05 10:32:50 (that does catch everything, doesn't it? Jul 05 10:32:55 i don't think so Jul 05 10:32:59 gaah mismatched parenthesis) Jul 05 10:33:08 i think the buses are distinct by name, not by owner Jul 05 10:33:16 well, they might be distinct by user too, but... Jul 05 10:33:37 * timeless_mbp ponders Jul 05 10:33:38 * timeless_mbp shrugs Jul 05 10:33:46 maybe you have to be root to monitor the system bus Jul 05 10:33:52 but yeah, sudo su isn't that hard :) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 05 18:54:15 2010 Jul 05 18:54:54 Actually I prefer 12 years of education over a few more available notebook models. You are right. That is enough ;) Jul 05 18:56:04 education would teach one to learn, not just force memorization of proposed "facts" Jul 05 18:56:29 That is what I did at school :) Jul 05 18:56:32 well, there are some reforms that HAVE to be done but nobody will do it Jul 05 18:56:58 school should be public in a way that everybody have a chance regardless of background Jul 05 18:57:11 but if somebody is just stupid then GTFO Jul 05 18:57:11 guys, ##politics Jul 05 18:57:29 lol Jul 05 18:57:37 at the moment people that are not interested at all are mixed with everybody else Jul 05 18:58:01 and we pretend that everybody should get education Jul 05 18:58:14 jacekowski: stfu, please Jul 05 18:58:18 it's a duty of parents to educate their children. ##education for more :) Jul 05 18:58:26 luke-jr: thanks Jul 05 18:58:29 #pepsi, ask for more Jul 05 18:58:46 luke-jr: does that channel actually exist? Jul 05 18:58:47 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ask_for_More Jul 05 18:58:53 crashanddie: it does now Jul 05 18:59:06 <|R> great phone started rebooting in loop... Jul 05 18:59:13 crashanddie: soemone else has it registered, but it's otherwise empty Jul 05 19:05:46 Done. Jul 05 19:07:26 hey Jul 05 19:07:37 hi Jul 05 19:07:43 could someone in .fi please help explain what the SubTV Starwars trooper ads are about? Jul 05 19:09:02 is there any way to make full screen easydebian applications ? I mean to hide the time / status / title bar ... Jul 05 19:09:14 the what ads? Jul 05 19:12:42 Kegetys: advertisments Jul 05 19:13:28 I know what an ad is Jul 05 19:23:18 there are ads w/ storm troopers Jul 05 19:23:32 they sometimes look like your average "will work for food" homeless people Jul 05 19:23:46 but the text is in finnish, and they're wearing storm trooper uniforms Jul 05 19:24:01 timeless_mbp: ep1 played last weekend Jul 05 19:24:06 yesterday, actually, iirc Jul 05 19:24:26 perhaps they show 1-6 during the following weekends? Jul 05 19:24:51 <.< Jul 05 19:25:07 well, ep2 will air next sunday, too... i see a pattern Jul 05 19:25:27 yes it did Jul 05 19:25:34 but is that what the ads were for? Jul 05 19:25:38 it seems like overkill Jul 05 19:25:51 there's a different set of ads that lists the schedule for the ep1/ep2s Jul 05 19:25:54 i've seen those too Jul 05 19:26:57 timeless_mbp: hardly overkill if they aim to sell plenty of expensive ad time Jul 05 19:27:03 during the films, that is Jul 05 19:27:17 heh Jul 05 19:28:22 w00t_: fwiw, you can just use 'timeless' if you want to credit me :) Jul 05 19:28:44 tab completion: making my life easier since before I remember Jul 05 19:28:45 :-P Jul 05 19:28:51 heh Jul 05 19:29:42 hi Jul 05 19:30:10 some time ago, i managed to broke the bash icon somehow. Could someone point me to the xterm.desktop file? Jul 05 19:30:13 * timeless_mbp spots a normal SWep2 ad Jul 05 19:31:53 the bash icon? Jul 05 19:32:08 the xterm one Jul 05 19:34:35 Good evening everyone Jul 05 19:35:01 i still can't swap my shell btw :( Jul 05 19:35:26 kerio, was it you stuck with the wrong one and not able to reboot incase? Jul 05 19:35:32 yup Jul 05 19:35:32 did you reboot since if so? Jul 05 19:35:37 yeah, i did Jul 05 19:35:40 then i reflashed :3 Jul 05 19:36:21 isn't it just editing /etc/passwd? Jul 05 19:36:29 yeah, but you shouldn't do that Jul 05 19:36:41 * FIQ did it and uses bash as default shell for a long time Jul 05 19:36:43 meh Jul 05 19:36:50 what could go wrong? Jul 05 19:36:52 i also changed root's shell Jul 05 19:36:56 so... yeah Jul 05 19:36:57 *10 mins later* Jul 05 19:37:05 try rebooting! Jul 05 19:37:05 "omg, i need reflash!" Jul 05 19:37:10 lol Jul 05 19:37:13 and post your /etc/shells if you have it Jul 05 19:37:17 i've rebooted several times Jul 05 19:37:27 it was months ago Jul 05 19:37:28 :P Jul 05 19:38:06 cat: can't open '/etc/shells': No such file or directory Jul 05 19:38:11 guess not Jul 05 19:38:18 hmm Jul 05 19:38:27 root's shell is still /bin/sh though, right? Jul 05 19:39:05 yep Jul 05 19:39:07 user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/bash Jul 05 19:39:12 only edited that one Jul 05 19:45:49 if i need to reflash i'm going to be *so* pissed Jul 05 19:46:02 Evening. Jul 05 19:47:46 what checks does gainroot do? Jul 05 19:48:32 can i just tell sudo to give user all commands with no password? Jul 05 19:50:00 Ev'ning Jul 05 19:50:50 * D-Iivil is enjoying the insomnia :] Jul 05 19:54:47 damn i hope some more work goes into mobilehotspot Jul 05 19:54:58 :) it works but damn is it flakey Jul 05 19:56:41 yawn Jul 05 19:59:58 hi Jul 05 20:04:00 * timeless_mbp sighs Jul 05 20:04:16 you'd think the guys working on Symbian advertising Qt would know how to spell Qt Jul 05 20:04:21 Just noticed an interesting bug Jul 05 20:04:49 * timeless_mbp sighs Jul 05 20:04:49 alterego: Does it involve the complete conversion of the n900 to energy, and an approximately 10 megaton resultant blast? Jul 05 20:04:52 * timeless_mbp kicks oreilly Jul 05 20:05:03 SpeedEvil: no Jul 05 20:05:12 boring then. Jul 05 20:05:57 When you've got a full screen app, and you go to the dashboard/task-switcher, the top of the application isn't viewable, because it incorrectly replaces the status bar that isn't there with the window title. Jul 05 20:06:26 even worse is that xchat doesn't understand clicks on *that* part of the screen when in fullscreen mode Jul 05 20:20:51 Quick question; is there a way to have popup menus appear to the left of the stylus? I find the default behaviour on my N900 quite irritating, since I'm right-handed, and menus consistently appear underneath my finger, where I obviously can not read them. Jul 05 20:21:29 oKtosiTe++ Jul 05 20:23:44 password change time Jul 05 20:24:19 almost :) Jul 05 20:27:29 which keys did you have to press to take a screenshot of the current screen? timeless_mbp ? Jul 05 20:27:36 lol Jul 05 20:27:39 nice load test Jul 05 20:27:52 ctrl-shift-p Jul 05 20:28:03 aMSN was coming up with the idea of opening like 100 windows about contact adding Jul 05 20:28:12 dunno why Jul 05 20:28:20 was forced to "killall amsn" Jul 05 20:28:28 suprised that the phone survived Jul 05 20:29:51 found it Jul 05 20:31:12 moo. Jul 05 20:31:34 upstart: PreDepends: sysvinit-utils (>= 2.86.ds1-23) or busybox (>= 3:1.6.1.legal-1osso8) but it is not going to be installed Jul 05 20:31:34 ~moo Jul 05 20:31:35 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Jul 05 20:31:40 am i the only one having that ? Jul 05 20:35:08 I just spoke to a friend who said the popup menus already appear under his finger on the N810. I would think something this elementary would have been fixed ages ago... Jul 05 20:36:07 i'm a bit cinfused about whether MeeGo will be made available as a supported platform for N900 users Jul 05 20:36:10 *confused Jul 05 20:36:39 supported? no. reference platform for developers, most likely. Jul 05 20:36:51 i'm reading conflicting reports. some so Nokia is relegating N900 users to continued use of Maemo, others say the N900 is a reference platform for MeeGo. Jul 05 20:37:05 there is no relegation, Maemo is what the N900 was sold with Jul 05 20:37:38 well, i got my N900 last week, and while it's a great phone, it has some major issues. Jul 05 20:38:03 mneptok, like? Jul 05 20:38:32 things that it seems the average user would want to work seamlessly, and do not. e.g. syncing mail, contacts and claendars from Google. Jul 05 20:39:13 you can use nuevasync to sync with google Jul 05 20:39:22 MfE will only sync my calendar. otherwise the process just times out. an initial contact sync worked, now it utterly fails. Jul 05 20:39:35 or syncevo, if google offers syncml? Jul 05 20:39:46 the MfE stuff is only very marginally compatible with google Jul 05 20:40:03 NuevaSync is a commercial, pay-for product, no? Jul 05 20:40:19 yeah Jul 05 20:40:44 an Android phone will do this without me having to shell out extra money above and beyond the handset cost Jul 05 20:40:51 Hi, where are the file (picture) thumbnails stored? Jul 05 20:40:51 cool Jul 05 20:40:59 take your N900 back and enjoy life then :) Jul 05 20:41:13 maemo is not unsupported Jul 05 20:41:23 we have quite a lot of people working on it with nokia still Jul 05 20:41:25 i think that's hardly the answer Nokia would want to give customers. Jul 05 20:42:01 well, I'm not Nokia - if I was I wouldn't have wasted the past 18+ months rewriting huge chunks of the platform with subtly different technology while the market moved on around me :P Jul 05 20:43:15 anyway I believe you can make google sync work using syncml for contacts Jul 05 20:43:17 which is free Jul 05 20:44:20 Robot101: yeah Jul 05 20:44:24 that's what MfE does Jul 05 20:44:41 no it's not, MfE is Microsoft's proprietary ActiveSync protocol Jul 05 20:44:59 oh right Jul 05 20:45:12 Google and MfE's implementations are pretty untested against each other and compatibility is quite marginal/unreliable Jul 05 20:45:20 you need a syncml-through-http client though Jul 05 20:45:24 there's one in the repos Jul 05 20:45:26 Google's SyncML instructions only reference Symbian for N-series phones. Jul 05 20:45:29 you can install SyncEvolution on the N900 and use SyncML very reliably Jul 05 20:45:38 yeah, that one Jul 05 20:45:40 mneptok: SyncEvo is 3rd-party Jul 05 20:45:45 but I use it, it works really wekk Jul 05 20:45:48 *well Jul 05 20:46:35 so is Nokia actually selling a hpne that will use MeeGo in any supported sense? Jul 05 20:47:14 *phone Jul 05 20:47:21 (damn these mitts) Jul 05 20:47:24 Robot101: does it sync IM informations? Jul 05 20:47:24 not at the moment Jul 05 20:47:28 and do they work afterwards? Jul 05 20:47:46 kerio: no, it demerges contacts, because the contacts team didn't listen to me... :P Jul 05 20:47:46 but they will release meego device soon Jul 05 20:47:48 Robot101, thanks for the heads up, will give that a go myself. Jul 05 20:48:13 Robot101: wtf Jul 05 20:48:17 it's unusable then Jul 05 20:48:18 :/ Jul 05 20:48:24 kerio: only if they change Jul 05 20:48:31 kerio: and I have a contacts merger button Jul 05 20:48:36 i have too Jul 05 20:48:42 so a month after the first release of MeeGo is made public i buy Nokia's flagship smartphone, but it won't actually ever run MeeGo Jul 05 20:48:44 I'm trying to convince one of our guys to fix the sync stuff Jul 05 20:48:53 mneptok: yup Jul 05 20:48:53 that's incredibly poor form, IMO Jul 05 20:48:57 Robot101: wait, you work for nokia? Jul 05 20:49:08 kerio: Collabora, subcontractor Jul 05 20:49:25 kerio: the guy who sits behind me wrote the contact merger Jul 05 20:49:33 (barisione) Jul 05 20:49:51 tell the contact team they made a crappy job Jul 05 20:50:00 and tell barisione i want to suck his dick Jul 05 20:50:06 oi, behave Jul 05 20:50:07 (you know, metaphorically) Jul 05 20:50:08 Robot101: to get SyncEvo do i have to enable a new repo, or .... ? Jul 05 20:50:27 kerio: well, barisione was on the contacts team too, but it wasn't all us, so we can take the credit for the good parts and blame others for the faults :D Jul 05 20:51:44 nm, found the wiki page Jul 05 20:51:52 but in this case, i specifically told them only to make backreferences from the master contacts to the IM contacts as an optimisation/cache, and not to rely on them Jul 05 20:52:02 and someone who joined the team later changed it Jul 05 20:52:07 :( Jul 05 20:52:41 * lcuk likes the merger and all the hard optimisations barisione and the guys have been doing Jul 05 20:52:51 yeah the merger is <3 Jul 05 20:52:54 its a shame the ops in here arent as attentive Jul 05 20:53:05 you know, syncing contacts, calendars and mail from Google is like *basic* functionality for a smartphone in 2010. the fact that it is labyrinthine to the point of being impossible on Nokia's best smartphone offering is indefensible. Jul 05 20:53:09 The lack of information on the Navilinik GPS in the N900 is outstanding .. Jul 05 20:53:18 I just want to know how many channels it has :( Jul 05 20:53:20 alterego: it sits behind the cellmo Jul 05 20:53:40 Yeah, I know that (which is f*cking strange) Jul 05 20:53:42 mneptok: look, seriously. our job is not to defend Nokia's decisions. this is a community working with what there is, and you have that. so if you don't like it, find another group of people to bitch about Nokia with. Jul 05 20:53:51 Though I imagine it means that Nokia can control our GPS' without us knowing :P Jul 05 20:54:08 mneptok: people here will help you but not if you're just consistently hostile and have nothing more productive to say other than, Nokia should know better. Jul 05 20:54:31 yes, maybe they should, but nobody here can do more about it than they already are, nor speak for Nokia with any more authority than you. Jul 05 20:54:33 Robot101: well, to be fair, Nokia *should* know better Jul 05 20:54:35 ;) Jul 05 20:54:51 Robot101: i'm not being hostile. i'm giving my feedback as an average user (not a mobile dev). Jul 05 20:55:31 MeeGo might well work on the N900, but if you made 10s of products a year, would /you/ commit to supporting all new platforms on all old devices? the next Nokia MeeGo device is not going to be 100% MeeGo either, so how many do you want them to port and test and certify MeeGo with exactly? Jul 05 20:55:49 note, it costs /at least/ hundreds of thousands to test and certify a handset with its software stack Jul 05 20:56:08 it could easily be more money than they made selling N900s yet Jul 05 20:56:08 Robot101: well, releasing a full source code would certainly help the community Jul 05 20:56:16 kerio: and is also very very expensive Jul 05 20:56:21 100 developers < 100000 developers Jul 05 20:56:25 Robot101: i would expect that Nokia would choose to support MeeGo on the flagship device they are shipping at the time of the 1.0 release. Jul 05 20:56:40 mneptok: handsets take longer than that to develop Jul 05 20:56:44 Robot101: about certification.. i wonder if meego could do something like a certification on 1.1, which people can base their own certifications off Jul 05 20:56:48 Robot101: not sure how it works Jul 05 20:56:55 the next platform is "MeeGo-Harmattan" which is closer to Maemo 6 than MeeGo Jul 05 20:57:15 MeeGo announcements so far are about an open source (ish) project Jul 05 20:57:19 not a commercial phone platform Jul 05 20:57:24 wait for the device announcements if you want that Jul 05 20:58:42 and, sorry for snapping at you, but I'm getting a bit fed up with people giving such unmitigated shit to Nokia Jul 05 20:58:48 (not just you) Jul 05 20:59:09 well, IMO this is mitigated sh*t ;) Jul 05 20:59:13 I run a company dealing with a lot of the commercial realities of open source, lawyers, contracts, etc etc Jul 05 20:59:21 kerio: full source is not going to help a lot Jul 05 20:59:27 and I have /some/ appreciation of the forces that Nokia is underh ere Jul 05 20:59:44 kerio: only 1% of total users will ever bother to write a line of code Jul 05 20:59:52 but there is a group of people that would rant and moan at Nokia for not open sourcing and announcing their platform early enough etc Jul 05 21:00:00 kerio: and then maybe 30% of that would ever look into OS code Jul 05 21:00:05 and apparently, a different one who will complain at them for announcing it too early Jul 05 21:00:14 "The desktop wallpapers that ship with the device are ugly!!!!!! PLZFIXKTHXBAI!!!!1!!!" is idiotic. "Wait, this device van't sync with a major provider like Google without third party apps?" is, IMO, fairly justifiable criticism. Jul 05 21:00:41 mneptok: it's linux Jul 05 21:00:44 mneptok: question is - is device supposed to be just a basic platform to install 3rd party apps Jul 05 21:00:49 technically everything is a third-party app Jul 05 21:00:54 and why are we calling them apps? Jul 05 21:00:57 they're called programs Jul 05 21:00:59 or applications Jul 05 21:01:03 mneptok: or something with all dancing singing stuff Jul 05 21:01:04 apps are for the iphone Jul 05 21:01:17 it's a truth, yes, they could've done better. but they didn't and they're not going to because they're making products to sell to more people than they marketed the N900 to. if you notice, it didn't have a lot of marketing budget and launch momentum behind it. Jul 05 21:01:28 it has ctrl+alt+X and an xterm Jul 05 21:01:30 Robot101: does syncevolution only sync contacts? Jul 05 21:01:48 and should i use mfe for the calendar (which appears to work?) Jul 05 21:01:59 kerio: http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Syncevolution_gui_account_detail_settings.png Jul 05 21:02:02 the fact you've got an IRC channel at all *and you've joined it* means you should expect it to be a little shaky here and there Jul 05 21:02:14 and it's not the flagship, the N8 is. for the moment. ;) Jul 05 21:03:01 Robot101: symbian^3? Jul 05 21:03:03 please Jul 05 21:03:17 anyone has experience with irreco and lirc remotes? Jul 05 21:03:18 Robot101: shakiness i can handle. "quit moaning and deal with it," when expressing some dismay with shaky bits is not something i expect. but you apologized for snapping, so i'll go have a nice hot cup of STFU. :) Jul 05 21:03:33 mneptok: i think the common reaction is "patches welcome" Jul 05 21:03:50 kerio: feel free to add 4 extra hours to my workday. Jul 05 21:04:05 kerio: no, that's not right. there are some things where all we can do is just say, oh well, that's what nokia decided to do. but, the point is *that's all we can do*. Jul 05 21:04:24 Robot101: no it's not! we can bitch about it on #maemo! Jul 05 21:04:28 :P Jul 05 21:04:47 it might be that nokia expect that we will build OS for them Jul 05 21:05:07 heh... they're spending a bit much for that to be true :P Jul 05 21:05:08 heh, what if community had actually baited on that properly initially? Jul 05 21:05:09 :P Jul 05 21:05:18 like, back in os2005 Jul 05 21:05:19 kerio: if you consider bug reports and feature requests to be "bitching," you might have a future as an iPhone Product Manager Jul 05 21:05:20 Robot101: tasks synchronization? Jul 05 21:05:33 oh, always in the calendar? Jul 05 21:05:34 .. they did, kinda, i mean, the whole subcontractor network underneath maemo Jul 05 21:05:37 SyncEvo does the calendar and stuff Jul 05 21:05:44 and notes Jul 05 21:05:57 doesnt do tasks ? Jul 05 21:06:08 dunno Jul 05 21:06:13 i didn't know google had notes Jul 05 21:06:14 :o Jul 05 21:06:21 cool Jul 05 21:06:28 kerio: I don't know if google does, I'm talking about SyncML Jul 05 21:07:03 but maybe you should join #google and have a massive rant at them about how absurd it is for such a large organisation to have anything other than a fully-completed standards-compliant SyncML server in this day and age ;) Jul 05 21:07:08 * Robot101 is out... Jul 05 21:07:30 Robot101: I seem to be able to sync between evo and my n900 with syncevo Jul 05 21:07:51 oh yeah, you can do that way too. sync everything to your desktop and have that use google for you. Jul 05 21:08:49 heh. google will own your souls some day Jul 05 21:08:58 apparently syncing notes with google doesn't work Jul 05 21:09:27 Macer, i had to google to find out what a soul was Jul 05 21:09:57 Robot101: hey, you lie Jul 05 21:10:06 syncml on google only works for contacts Jul 05 21:10:13 hahaha Jul 05 21:10:16 I was only ever talking about SyncML Jul 05 21:10:23 I don't use Google for contacts or calendaring Jul 05 21:10:24 redirect to wikipedia? Jul 05 21:10:37 and ads with jerry curl gels? Jul 05 21:11:03 macer, it says a soul is a kind of fish Jul 05 21:11:08 why would i sell my fish? Jul 05 21:12:20 lcuk: maybe if you were in the fish business xD Jul 05 21:12:30 b-man, how would google know that? Jul 05 21:13:07 google knows more than you think xD Jul 05 21:13:33 Any news lately about voicecontrol in Ovi Maps? Jul 05 21:14:11 hrm, ise from /. ? Jul 05 21:14:11 b-man, o_O perhaps i will have to sell my fish to it Jul 05 21:14:57 LOL Jul 05 21:16:03 ok, so now i have a three-way synchronization Jul 05 21:16:43 syncevolution for contacts and mfe for the calendar google<->n900, isync for contacts and calendar between google<->mac and isync for contacts and calendar for n900<->mac Jul 05 21:16:46 i better drop one of the three Jul 05 21:21:42 evening all Jul 05 21:22:05 evening lardman \o Jul 05 21:22:24 hiclu Jul 05 21:22:27 oops Jul 05 21:22:30 hi lcuk Jul 05 21:22:41 dyslexic typing stops tab completion Jul 05 21:23:16 "hic" was a good start Jul 05 21:23:24 gather the wine is nice tonight dude ;) Jul 05 21:23:35 followed by "cup" ;) Jul 05 21:24:29 so is this N9 thing with a kb real? Jul 05 21:24:37 url? Jul 05 21:24:42 (sorry to drop the tone) Jul 05 21:24:48 raising it! Jul 05 21:24:58 dunno, think it was on maemo.org news, being killed remotely Jul 05 21:25:01 rumours over kerio whining anyway Jul 05 21:25:04 ;) Jul 05 21:25:05 I'll have a look-see Jul 05 21:25:42 im gonna finish my book soon Jul 05 21:25:58 writing or reading? Jul 05 21:26:01 you know, being a Claws user installing anything with the name "Evolution" in it makes my skin crawl :) Jul 05 21:26:11 hahaha lardman Jul 05 21:26:17 reading :) on portrait liqbase :P Jul 05 21:26:37 i'm 21 today Jul 05 21:26:48 happy birthday \o/ Jul 05 21:26:56 mneptok: damn creationist! :P Jul 05 21:27:17 jacekowski: well, happy birthday Jul 05 21:27:20 jacekowski: are you that young? I thought you were like 40 Jul 05 21:27:35 no Jul 05 21:27:49 i'm really 21 Jul 05 21:27:56 jacekowski: happy birthday Jul 05 21:28:00 jacekowski: happy birthday as well from thailand :) wish you a great day to celebrate and a joyful time till 22 ;) Jul 05 21:28:07 happy b-day jacekowski :) Jul 05 21:28:15 mneptok: SYLPHEED IS THE TRUE WAY Jul 05 21:28:16 Stskeeps: no clue of the url, could have sworn I found it on a kosher website this morning though Jul 05 21:28:24 REPENT OR SPEND ETERNITY IN HELL YOU SINNER Jul 05 21:28:36 no, MUTT because text-only is nerdier Jul 05 21:28:52 telnet because front ends are for cowards Jul 05 21:28:58 lcuk: netcat Jul 05 21:29:14 haha, from sylpheed's requirement list: 128MB or higher RAM (256MB or higher is recommended, 512MB for Windows XP, 2GB for Windows Vista) Jul 05 21:29:55 evening MohammadAG Jul 05 21:30:01 hi MohammadAG Jul 05 21:30:23 kerio: i prefer Claws, as you're able to use it with off Jul 05 21:30:32 mneptok: lol Jul 05 21:30:59 ptl: why you were thinking i'm 40? Jul 05 21:31:03 shift-shift in the case of the N900 Jul 05 21:31:19 evening lcuk Jul 05 21:31:21 hey ptl :) Jul 05 21:31:50 jacekowski: I dunno, your last name inspires me of older people, it's like all -owski are born with 38+ Jul 05 21:32:17 it's not my last name Jul 05 21:32:20 booiiing: are you bouncing? Jul 05 21:32:22 jacekowski: first??? Jul 05 21:32:47 well, jacek is my 1st name Jul 05 21:33:01 and owski is just there Jul 05 21:33:42 oh Jul 05 21:33:50 OK, so i have MfE syncing my calendar, SyncEvo doing contacts, and the plain-Jane IMAP client handling e-mail tasks. it's like growing an extra hand for each key on the keyboard. ;) Jul 05 21:34:23 ok, so I want external plugins to provide some match and don't match strings/regex - should I combine them (presuming that's possible with regex)? Jul 05 21:36:07 ok, so I can do alternatives I now learn with a bar, presumably I can also say whether matches should be case sensitive, etc Jul 05 21:36:39 lardman, performing 10 regexes once you have identified a code is simple? Jul 05 21:36:46 you do not have to merge them immediately? Jul 05 21:36:55 well I was thinking just one, if everything could be passed in one Jul 05 21:36:57 ie dont add to complexity Jul 05 21:37:17 these barcodes are short strings arent they anyway Jul 05 21:37:26 yeah, the problem is how to order the plugin file to pass them in, and added code complexity in evaluating them all Jul 05 21:37:29 its not like you have to process a bible worth of text every time it beeps Jul 05 21:37:42 can be quite long, e.g. vCard, sms:, etc Jul 05 21:37:56 no of course not Jul 05 21:38:06 heh Jul 05 21:38:33 but this is for external app registration files, they say their name, what type of barcodes they want (e.g. QR codes) and give a regex to eliminate/keep in whatever payloads they wish to receive Jul 05 21:38:35 do you anticipate multiple plugins to detect same code Jul 05 21:38:48 e.g. maemo-mapper will only want things containing geo: Jul 05 21:38:52 yes Jul 05 21:39:01 scanning a book could go into your library, but it could also be wanted to go into your google search Jul 05 21:39:02 well not detect, but multiple will want to handle same code Jul 05 21:39:08 indeed Jul 05 21:39:38 I also don;t want to have to start up external apps for no reason - i.e. if they don't care about a youtube:// payload Jul 05 21:40:01 or rather s/i.e./e.g. Jul 05 21:40:03 why dont you start simply Jul 05 21:40:12 with a group of common ones opening apps on your machine Jul 05 21:40:14 that you know Jul 05 21:40:14 no point, may as well do the hard work now Jul 05 21:40:21 to see how the operation will feel Jul 05 21:40:26 i know Jul 05 21:40:54 but this is just a quick test of whether you want multiple listeners and how you may want to handle the ux for it? Jul 05 21:40:59 because I won't be writing the registration files, the authors of these external apps will be, so I want to make sure it's all nice and efficient and they only get called when necessary Jul 05 21:41:12 sure Jul 05 21:41:13 no, this is the end implementation Jul 05 21:41:32 * lcuk nods Jul 05 21:43:20 anyway looks like with a bit of up-front effort on the part of the registration file writer, a single regex can be used to match anything Jul 05 21:43:40 cool Jul 05 21:46:14 hrm Jul 05 21:46:22 anyone here wanna help me w/ apt-get? Jul 05 21:46:29 (requires someone willing to hack apt-get sources) Jul 05 21:46:44 hi timeless_mbp, not me I'm afraid, but hello nevertheless Jul 05 21:46:51 hi Jul 05 21:47:00 hack apt-get sources? Jul 05 21:47:10 is this about E: Handler Silently Failed? Jul 05 21:47:23 no Jul 05 21:47:33 it's about how apt-get (and co) don't honor -c fast enough Jul 05 21:47:37 and stat files from / Jul 05 21:47:44 oh, nvm then Jul 05 21:59:20 ah crud Jul 05 21:59:26 c++ ? Jul 05 21:59:30 youi gotta be kiddin me Jul 05 21:59:46 makes sense though Jul 05 22:01:22 mirf: you were going to look at it? Jul 05 22:01:25 brave soul Jul 05 22:02:33 well I really want to do some apps on this little ggeezer Jul 05 22:03:01 and python is a bit bulky for what I wanna do Jul 05 22:03:17 hard work is c++ though Jul 05 22:03:45 yoda couldnt have said it better himself. Jul 05 22:03:55 :P Jul 05 22:04:26 it's all just an excuse to get debian installed on this PC though heh Jul 05 22:04:37 anyone here overclock the n900? Jul 05 22:04:40 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 05 22:04:45 nite trem Jul 05 22:04:49 nn Jul 05 22:04:52 mirf, what are you wanting to hack Jul 05 22:05:45 sort've advanced mp3 player I guess Jul 05 22:06:26 could probably get away with python as long as there are some nice c libs I can use for the audio processing Jul 05 22:06:31 which I guess there are Jul 05 22:08:22 mirf, cool Jul 05 22:09:06 yeah it shoudl be Jul 05 22:09:22 I don't want to say too much cos if it works it's a pretty nify idea :P Jul 05 22:11:01 anywoj Jul 05 22:11:03 outta here Jul 05 22:11:41 wtf? I got kicked for excess flood? Jul 05 22:13:42 (11:10:46 PM) lbt left the room (quit: Excess Flood). Jul 05 22:13:49 Did you paste something? Jul 05 22:13:55 no Jul 05 22:24:34 anybody here use fbsd8? Jul 05 22:34:30 do you guy sknow of a tutorial for QT desktop widgets on the N900? Jul 05 22:35:28 oh brother Jul 05 22:35:30 * timeless_mbp cries Jul 05 22:36:03 ptl: Jul 05 22:36:06 bah Jul 05 22:36:15 ptl: http://blog.exys.org/entries/2010/Maemo5_Lastfm_Widget_With_Qt.html Jul 05 22:36:51 not really a tutorial, but if you have a look at his code, it's not that hard :) Jul 05 22:38:57 "Proudly powered by a damn shell script. No fugly cms. " Jul 05 22:39:33 pupnik: heh, it shows Jul 05 22:41:01 yeah i noticed the instant loading time and complete lack of distracting fluff Jul 05 22:42:05 brik: thanks Jul 05 22:49:04 brik: in fact, that was exactly what I was looking for Jul 05 22:52:44 ah, I feel my classes are complete Jul 05 22:52:59 but can't be arsed to test them now for fear that I find a problem and then will have to fix it Jul 05 22:54:56 Hey, lardman. Jul 05 22:55:08 hey GAN900, how's things? Jul 05 22:55:30 lardman, well enough. How's kicks your side of the pond? Jul 05 22:55:47 not too bad, nearly off to be your side as a matter of fact Jul 05 22:56:01 week yesterday in fact Jul 05 22:57:47 Stskeeps: Hi there, like what you wrote on talk.maemo.org. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45213 Jul 05 22:58:41 DrGrov: mm, thanks Jul 05 22:59:07 Stskeeps: you are welcome. Jul 05 22:59:43 DrGrov: 1) and 2) is coming, if we are noting meego (real meego), but 3) remains to be seen Jul 05 22:59:54 GAN900: any clues on shooting in Vegas? Jul 05 23:00:08 other than down the range ;) Jul 05 23:00:13 Stskeeps: you have any ideas what 3) could be? Jul 05 23:00:27 DrGrov: 3) being the third question Jul 05 23:00:38 there's no applications we'd want yet from maemo6 as we haven't seen it. Jul 05 23:01:06 Stskeeps: completely agree with you on that one. difficult to say anything when nothing is visible. Jul 05 23:04:11 Stskeeps: I was mainly worried for the N900 to be forgotten once Nokia considers MeeGo their primary market Jul 05 23:08:56 ok Jul 05 23:08:57 bed time I think, night all Jul 05 23:09:02 * timeless_mbp needs some help w/ apt.conf Jul 05 23:20:06 ptl: :) Jul 05 23:27:11 how do I tell what my current apn/... is? Jul 05 23:28:02 Status menu -> internet connection? Jul 05 23:29:05 ok Jul 05 23:29:13 so, apt 0.6 sucks much less than apt 0.5 :) Jul 05 23:29:28 heh Jul 05 23:29:35 hmm Jul 05 23:33:43 what I don't get is why Maemo was using apt at all Jul 05 23:33:47 it's been obsolete on Debian for years Jul 05 23:33:55 uhuh Jul 05 23:33:58 I use apt Jul 05 23:34:19 MohammadAG: you can use ifconfig and route too Jul 05 23:34:23 they're still obsolete Jul 05 23:44:21 bluetooth keyboards Jul 05 23:44:34 did someone tell me that the apple one wont work on my n900 or was i mishearing Jul 05 23:44:45 so um Jul 05 23:44:56 lcuk, it's just HID Jul 05 23:44:59 anyone here understand how apt-* -c foo -c bar works? Jul 05 23:45:00 if it uses HID... nvm Jul 05 23:45:04 is it cumulative? Jul 05 23:45:16 I think the thing is Maemo 5 doesn't have good support OOB Jul 05 23:45:34 GAN900, MohammadAG ok ill get some batteries and test tomorrow Jul 05 23:45:40 timeless_mbp, not tried - what is -c Jul 05 23:45:49 conf file Jul 05 23:46:19 is it normally needed? Jul 05 23:46:41 no Jul 05 23:46:46 meep Jul 05 23:46:50 see man apt-config(8) Jul 05 23:46:55 I think it's man8 lol Jul 05 23:47:01 heya raster \o Jul 05 23:47:04 5* Jul 05 23:47:08 luke-jr: yay! Jul 05 23:47:40 MohammadAG, i wasnt asking so i could go rtfm right now, i was asking timeless why its coming up now Jul 05 23:47:59 :P Jul 05 23:48:09 lcuk: i'm hosting apt on centos to index fremantle1.2 Jul 05 23:48:10 why does libspleen have to be so slow Jul 05 23:48:15 * raster bah's Jul 05 23:48:16 my previous indexer ran on nexenta Jul 05 23:48:22 but my nexenta box is facing retirement Jul 05 23:48:26 rog Jul 05 23:48:40 to do this, i needed to magically host apt-* Jul 05 23:48:43 and what would the conf file do Jul 05 23:48:47 ok Jul 05 23:48:58 i do this by using /data/apt-etch/<> as a root directory for apt Jul 05 23:49:08 i.e. it has usr/bin, etc, usr/lib, ... Jul 05 23:49:21 and your new host does not have access? :D Jul 05 23:49:28 access? Jul 05 23:49:30 no, i'm not root Jul 05 23:49:34 i'm very very very rarely root Jul 05 23:49:41 * lcuk nods Jul 05 23:49:42 the nexenta box was a solaris zone :) Jul 05 23:49:47 and it too used -c Jul 05 23:49:51 but it didn't need two layers Jul 05 23:49:57 because nexenta is an apt based system Jul 05 23:50:17 i don't really absolutely need two layers of -c Jul 05 23:50:18 perhaps then its time to dig into man page MohammadAG discovered Jul 05 23:50:20 but it makes things cleaner Jul 05 23:50:35 the help there isn't very helpful Jul 05 23:50:39 never is Jul 05 23:50:39 apt.conf(5), I didn't discover it :p Jul 05 23:50:43 it says that it reads something and then the specified one Jul 05 23:50:47 and fwiw, i've read those pages Jul 05 23:50:55 i read them 3-4 years ago when i first set this stuff up Jul 05 23:50:56 lcuk, hasn't :) Jul 05 23:51:01 ;) Jul 05 23:51:02 which is why i knew -c existed in the first place :) Jul 05 23:51:24 ive been reading a book on my 900 tyvm MohammadAG Jul 05 23:51:37 * timeless_mbp installed 'dorian' Jul 05 23:51:39 lcuk, I never realized man pages were made into books :P Jul 05 23:51:40 * timeless_mbp couldn't find any ebooks Jul 05 23:51:54 man mplayer should be Jul 05 23:51:58 timeless_mbp, i read plaintext :) Jul 05 23:52:11 * lcuk likes simplicity Jul 05 23:53:12 i agree luke-jr Jul 05 23:53:13 lcuk: Jul 05 23:53:14 sorry Jul 05 23:53:46 "look my new ebook!" Jul 05 23:53:56 "no, your old, expensively repackaged string of text" Jul 06 00:19:48 hey, if ebooks get people reading again, I'm all for it Jul 06 00:22:57 I'd like people to be inspired by Billy's Blues, as if a muse of Langston Hughes, I want John Keats to display his poetic feats, so that people are attracted to the greats of W. B. Yeats. Just get a fix of Emily Dickenson and inject yourself some litterary genius of W. E. B., maybe even get lost within the lines of Robert Frost. Maybe you need to feel Emerson, Tennyson, Stevenson, cuz in the end, it's only about what you read, Jul 06 00:29:52 Hooray ebooks Jul 06 00:30:22 Reads thousands of them on Maemo Jul 06 00:30:23 Ironic since I make a living selling real books. :P Jul 06 00:31:37 ebooks are real! Jul 06 00:31:47 In some ways I prefer ebooks to 'real' ones. Jul 06 00:31:59 I can grep them, and hotlinks works. Jul 06 00:32:02 work Jul 06 00:32:31 also - of course - I can't easily fit a million books in my pocket any other way. Jul 06 00:36:12 i prefer paper as such Jul 06 00:36:17 Yeah, I prefer it for disposable stuff Jul 06 00:36:26 i mean physical piece of paper that i can make notes on Jul 06 00:36:29 and that sort of things Jul 06 00:36:36 i always print all my datasheets Jul 06 00:36:36 But I like real books when they've value beyond the printed text. Jul 06 00:36:51 i have notes, bookmarks, some highlighed things Jul 06 00:37:04 and i can have couple pages open at the same time Jul 06 00:37:12 I can't begin to fathom highlighting or margin writing. Jul 06 00:37:38 well, in my case it's ussualy separate piece of paper with notes Jul 06 00:38:08 and every single page of notes is scanned Jul 06 00:38:13 so i can always recover it Jul 06 00:38:55 bah Jul 06 00:39:02 jacekowski: yeah - that's usefufl - being able to doodle is a good idea Jul 06 00:39:04 need to stick the magnet on the battery cover back to it Jul 06 00:39:53 i was thinking about buying that pen that automaticaly scans whatever you write Jul 06 00:40:24 I am using n900 more and more for that sort of stuff Jul 06 00:40:37 i need piece of paper Jul 06 00:40:39 It'd be so nice if there was an easy way to categorise photos Jul 06 00:40:49 I mean bit of paper + pen + pic Jul 06 00:41:13 A teeny whiteboard like thing would be awesome. Jul 06 00:41:47 especially if you could automagically 'print' it from the phone. Jul 06 00:41:58 partialy that's reason why i really like IDA Jul 06 00:42:12 because it's really easy to add some notes to it Jul 06 00:42:37 and with my set of scripts i can automaticaly pull out notes that are attached to specific routine Jul 06 00:43:15 only problem is searching trough that sort of notes Jul 06 00:43:19 ugh Jul 06 00:43:26 damn comcast is down AGAIN Jul 06 00:43:28 because my handwriting is so bad that i have problems reading it Jul 06 00:43:54 the place i moved to.. they seem to have 2hr+ outages once a week Jul 06 00:44:45 karma? Jul 06 00:44:50 maybe Jul 06 00:45:05 but it is starting to drive me nuts Jul 06 00:45:17 what am i supposed to say Jul 06 00:45:20 i have BT Jul 06 00:45:34 and the worst part is i call tech support and they are still with the old address Jul 06 00:45:38 fuck! Jul 06 00:45:43 and they have "fair usage policy" Jul 06 00:45:58 not on business class lines Jul 06 00:46:01 you lease them Jul 06 00:46:06 that says if i download more than 100G in last 30 days my speed is limited from 17:00 to 23:00 Jul 06 00:46:06 unlimited Jul 06 00:46:30 i don't have £300/month to spend on leased line Jul 06 00:46:44 its actually around 150 Jul 06 00:46:54 but for that much money Jul 06 00:47:05 i should never go down Jul 06 00:47:19 well, when you buy leased line from BT Jul 06 00:47:29 it has 100% SLA Jul 06 00:47:53 and if it fails you get whole month for free Jul 06 00:49:41 well Jul 06 00:49:52 i will call comcast and ask them if that is the case Jul 06 00:50:02 this is the 3rd time in like a month Jul 06 00:50:15 still down Jul 06 00:50:19 and i am not home Jul 06 00:50:32 which makes it worse because it could be a power outage Jul 06 00:50:54 FUCK Jul 06 00:50:55 do you want to buy a generator? Jul 06 00:52:26 anyways Jul 06 00:52:29 time to sleep Jul 06 00:56:28 argh for fuck's sake Jul 06 00:56:48 I need glue to stick the N900's magnet Jul 06 00:57:19 * SpeedEvil boils up a hedgehog to make glue. Jul 06 00:58:40 LMFAO Jul 06 00:59:52 * MohammadAG calls animal cruelty Jul 06 01:02:39 * b-man hides the bucket of hedgehog glue from animal cruelty Jul 06 01:03:28 * b-man gives it to Macer Jul 06 01:23:41 god damn it! I STILL can't get my N800 working right, after charging it all night. :( Jul 06 01:24:49 WormFood: get a replacement bat? Jul 06 01:24:58 yeah Jul 06 01:25:07 internal backup battery Jul 06 01:25:07 ah well, time to buy an n900 ;)_ Jul 06 01:25:12 main battery is still good Jul 06 01:25:34 fuck no! There is no god damn way I will EVER buy another Nokia product, after they fucked me on my N85 phone! Jul 06 01:25:59 huh, I liked my n85 Jul 06 01:26:27 I liked mine too, until it quit working, and they wouldn't repair it under warranty (and it broke under warranty) Jul 06 01:26:39 they want about 10% of the price of the phone to repair it. Jul 06 01:26:46 ah well, time to find another device then Jul 06 01:27:00 or find the repair manuals and a swedish parts supplier Jul 06 01:27:07 I mean seriously this isn't that complicated :P Jul 06 01:27:30 swedish? I've had good luck with chinese ones Jul 06 01:27:35 I can get the parts here. I live in Shenzhen China...you can get just about anything here Jul 06 01:27:47 my N85 came from HK...it isn't the same as the Chinese model Jul 06 01:28:10 ah, intl warranty service Jul 06 01:28:15 the Chinese N85 does not have a front mounted camera, 3G or wifi....and the HK model does Jul 06 01:28:40 NOW it is out of warranty....but the fact is, they refused to repair it under warranty....because of that, I will never buy another nokia product, Jul 06 01:29:05 AND, every nokia product I own, has one problem or another Jul 06 01:29:07 WormFood: very few companies do good intl warranty service (yes ok HK is barely intl, but ayays) Jul 06 01:29:29 I tried to get it repaired in Shenzhen, and HK....I got fucked both times Jul 06 01:29:46 that clearly tells me they don't want my business. Jul 06 01:29:50 what's wrong with it? Jul 06 01:30:35 problems with the screen Jul 06 01:30:48 at first, it just went to solid white, and got hot after a while. Jul 06 01:31:00 and don't tell me, they want about $30/40 to fix it right? Jul 06 01:31:15 now it is in various colors...and can't see clearly Jul 06 01:31:21 they want closer to about $45 to fix it Jul 06 01:31:50 well, in the local currency, it is closer to about $250.....but in USD it is between $40 and $45 Jul 06 01:31:58 I can see why you're annoyed. that's about the price of the screen and no labour Jul 06 01:32:15 it isn't the screen that is bad (at least, I don't think it is) Jul 06 01:33:50 changing the screen is the easiest and cheapest place to start, even it's the cable Jul 06 01:34:08 they claimed the cable went bad Jul 06 01:35:45 I don't give a fuck what is bad....the fact is, I should not have to pay to repair a piece of equipment that is under warranty, and broke due to quality and workmanship (not because I fucked up) Jul 06 01:39:46 mmm, I would have thought HK service would have fixed it Jul 06 01:39:57 they didn't Jul 06 01:40:27 WormFood: International warranty service is variable. Jul 06 01:40:27 such is life, life's too short, time to move on :) Jul 06 01:40:46 Many companies will not service under warranty models bought overseas Jul 06 01:40:59 I consider it a lesson learned....never buy nokia again. Jul 06 01:41:25 SpeedEvil, it has warranty support in all of china, hk and macau....that is where I bought it....I didn't buy it in usa, then take it to china. Jul 06 01:42:05 the only 2 brands I've ever had do intl warranty service is ibm and Shure, and that's one of ibm's selling points of course. Jul 06 01:42:52 (assuming you buy a product that had intl warranty service, not all did) Jul 06 01:43:26 well, this has a 1 year warranty in ALL of China, and they didn't honor the warranty, when it broke due to no fault of my own. Jul 06 01:43:48 WormFood: and you bought it through an authorized retailer? Jul 06 01:43:52 therefore, FUCK NOKIA! They clearly don't want my business every again. Jul 06 01:44:08 good evening Jul 06 01:44:14 does it matter where I bought it? it is nokia. I'm pretty sure I bought it through an authorized reseller, but not 100% sure. Jul 06 01:44:24 WormFood: it maters very much Jul 06 01:44:26 WormFood: SO what are you doing here? Jul 06 01:44:43 SpeedEvil: his n800 died Jul 06 01:44:46 what's going on? Jul 06 01:44:47 what do you mean SpeedEvil? Jul 06 01:44:50 ah Jul 06 01:45:03 my N800 does not work right. Jul 06 01:45:21 I read a non-maemo model Jul 06 01:45:25 try to use it the other day, and it has problems. I replaced the internal battery, and still has the same problems. Jul 06 01:47:14 probably not the battery ;) Jul 06 01:48:34 the old battery was corroded, so I strongly suspect it is. It was working fine before, and last time I go to use it, it gives me problems. Jul 06 01:49:52 I'm trying to run a compiled c program generated by a shell script on my n810 but it says this: "error while loading shared libraries: libfprint.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" Jul 06 01:50:37 and I can't get the shell script, it's most unreadable, and that error doesn't help me to find where that file should have been. :( Jul 06 01:50:44 fprint - finger print? Jul 06 01:51:31 yep Jul 06 01:53:26 where is a good place to upload my gpg pub key so maemo will accept my package? Jul 06 01:53:41 good morning Jul 06 01:54:59 tripzero, just use the web interface? Jul 06 01:55:24 GeneralAntilles, not ssh key, pgp key Jul 06 01:55:51 the web interface still tries to validate your package's signature Jul 06 01:56:05 well, the web interface doesn't, but whatever comes next Jul 06 01:56:13 i suppose I don't sign my packages? Jul 06 01:57:44 or are you saying i can upload my pgp key through a web interface? Jul 06 02:00:56 I was saying not bother signing Jul 06 02:01:06 Because I think it may require intervention by an admin to add it at this point. Jul 06 02:01:10 But I'm not sure Jul 06 02:01:15 and probably the wrong person to be answering. Jul 06 02:04:29 * tripzero tries not signing Jul 06 02:11:50 qmake-qt4 not found Jul 06 02:11:51 lame Jul 06 02:11:53 haha Jul 06 02:15:18 hmm.. forgot to pull in libqt4-dev Jul 06 02:18:11 yay, success Jul 06 02:23:17 ok, I just reflashed my N800, but I notice a lot of the programs I had installed before are not available in the online package list. I remember installing from another repository. Can anyone point me to this other repository? Jul 06 02:50:28 hrm, does gpsd work on the n900? Jul 06 02:51:14 no Jul 06 02:51:24 Well - not in that it has any nmea device to read. Jul 06 02:51:33 boo Jul 06 02:51:34 The standard device does not have a NMEA interface Jul 06 02:52:05 They invented something else - rathe than what would be arguably saner - teach gpsd about agps Jul 06 02:52:33 heh Jul 06 02:52:59 i bet the gps chip in the n900 has some proprietary agps command set that cannot be opened Jul 06 02:53:07 and nokia probably doesn't care enough to make them open it Jul 06 02:55:35 we have a similar problem for meego Jul 06 02:56:25 can someone tell me if milestone overclock is portable to the n810 Jul 06 02:56:43 there's no standard way to feed agps data to the gps device Jul 06 02:56:47 has anyone looked it Jul 06 02:58:07 is there any online compilers Jul 06 02:59:17 anyone know if qt-mobility is in maemo? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 06 02:59:58 2010