**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jul 07 02:59:56 2010 Jul 07 04:09:03 Morning. Jul 07 04:32:35 Afternoon :) Jul 07 04:37:44 Anyone here ride a bicycle and use the n900 with external speakers as a stereo? Jul 07 04:45:33 yigal: there's no way I could beleive they would be loud enough Jul 07 04:47:33 SpeedEvil: wait, what's the problem with usb host? Jul 07 04:47:41 isn't it *better* than usb otg? Jul 07 04:48:17 or, well, the same? Jul 07 04:57:41 kerio: no Jul 07 04:57:46 kerio: OTG = auto-detect Jul 07 04:58:06 host = you have to configure it Jul 07 05:12:01 is OTG working reliably now? Jul 07 05:17:30 OTG on N900 is impossible Jul 07 05:17:48 s/OTG/host mode/, sorry Jul 07 05:27:38 someone needs to learn how to make cars run off of coca cola Jul 07 05:28:44 OTG on N900 is impossible Jul 07 05:28:47 lacking HW? Jul 07 05:30:36 yep Jul 07 05:30:42 not wired up Jul 07 05:31:00 ah Jul 07 05:31:02 host mode could be possible though Jul 07 05:31:22 is host mode really that important? Jul 07 05:31:46 i suppose an n900 docking station would be nice Jul 07 05:31:59 with a built in 10" screen and keyboard :) Jul 07 05:32:16 Well lots of people want to interface with digital cameras, car engine control systems, robots, and other cool stuff Jul 07 05:32:29 robots! haha Jul 07 05:32:41 or just occasionally connect a usb flash drive Jul 07 05:32:45 can't all this be done via bt? Jul 07 05:33:05 This can all be done by smoke signals Jul 07 05:33:43 but as with bt it requires effort and pain to convert existing interfaces to something else Jul 07 05:34:00 and bt is as fast as smoke signals or carrier pigeons, so.. Jul 07 05:34:32 haha Jul 07 05:35:05 not true Jul 07 05:35:26 you can attach multiple microSDs to a carrier pidgeon Jul 07 05:35:48 You know, on the topic of using BT or wlan instead of USB, someone suggested the easiest way would be to carry an N810 with custom software to serve as bluetooth/wifi to usb adapter.. Jul 07 05:35:59 a 1tb pidgeon is way faster than bluetooth Jul 07 05:36:27 So obviously if host mode can be made to work, you'd need a phone-sized device less ;-) Jul 07 05:36:30 well.. bluetooth is 24mbit .. :) Jul 07 05:36:48 3 Jul 07 05:36:50 i guess that is a little on the slow side Jul 07 05:37:09 wlan is about 24Mbit payload data Jul 07 05:37:09 which spec is the n900 using? Jul 07 05:37:19 bt2.1 Jul 07 05:37:26 802.11g Jul 07 05:37:43 never underestimate the bandwidth of a truck full of hard drives Jul 07 05:38:47 newer bluetooth highspeed is basically becoming "negotiatio encryption keys for wlan" anyway Jul 07 05:39:39 would you see full usb speed from the port in host mode? Jul 07 05:40:07 sure, why not Jul 07 05:40:29 Dunno, N810 had more or less full speed with usb flash disks Jul 07 05:40:33 don't know. just asking. nobody has done it yet for all the world knows it might only go 1mbit Jul 07 05:41:06 * h0n3st is away: I'm busy Jul 07 05:41:45 Um, well, plug you N900 into your PC and select mass-storage mode Jul 07 05:41:56 test transfer speed Jul 07 05:42:01 that gives you idea Jul 07 05:42:11 though obviously limited by emmc speed Jul 07 05:42:53 Macer: are you Jack Bauer? Jul 07 05:43:31 "IF THOSE 12 EPISODES OF 'FMAILY GUY' ARE NOT ON YOUR CELL PHONE IN THE NEXT 37 SECONDS, WE'RE ALL *DEAD*!" Jul 07 05:44:52 * LiraNuna dies Jul 07 05:45:12 USB host mode is very handy for lots of things... it'd would make the N900 as a good laptop replacement Jul 07 06:15:24 ShadowJK: how fast is /dev/null? Jul 07 06:32:54 X-Fade, ping Jul 07 06:36:00 moo all Jul 07 06:36:00 Ah, nice, good old Toxoplasma Godii found meddling with Worldcup results Jul 07 06:36:20 * RST38bis wonders what the endgame is: do worldcup champions keep more cats as pets? Jul 07 06:40:24 ~seen X-Fade Jul 07 06:40:25 x-fade is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 43 messages. Is idling for 15h 21m 57s, last said: 'DawnFoster: I'm sorry if you feel offended, this is again a 'Can't see the face' issue.'. Jul 07 06:45:23 Does someone know can I specify the amount that system notificatino is shown when it's launched via dbus-command? Jul 07 06:45:32 notificatino => notification Jul 07 06:49:59 afaik you cannot Jul 07 06:50:17 RST38bis, yeah.. though so because there's no documentation about it anywhere. Jul 07 06:50:18 but I may be wrong Jul 07 07:36:50 Hi, How can I know the version of firefox installed in n900? Jul 07 07:37:46 I'm thikin some kind of a script to check my irssi away.log when internet connection is established. I know how to do notifications trough cli, but is it possible to have sms like notification? Like fMMS notifies user with a notification that first pop up, then if user does not click/tap on it, the message goes to background and can be seen as yellow window at the list of open windows. Jul 07 07:38:46 Zucca: jabber_notify.pl Jul 07 07:38:49 is the latest version of firefox already pushed to ovi store? Jul 07 07:41:15 jacekowski: Thanks. :) Jul 07 07:45:00 bleh, should have got proporta usb turbocharger lol, spent me money on dc-11 to find out it's equipped with puny 1500mAh Jul 07 07:46:09 Morning, all Jul 07 07:46:37 Morning Jaffa Jul 07 07:46:39 MohammadAG51: Hmm. Can you run "/opt/hermes/bin/hermes >log 2>&1" and send me the output? I didn't have a problem yesterday Jul 07 07:46:56 Shapeshifter, ping Jul 07 07:56:48 lets stuff the deepsea horizons gusher ... with ipad owners. Jul 07 08:00:33 hey guys Jul 07 08:01:53 theis ryan abel around Jul 07 08:03:23 he's probably sleeping. it's 4am in his time zone. Jul 07 08:03:29 morning all. Jul 07 08:03:59 oh ok Jul 07 08:04:03 morning ian_r Jul 07 08:04:13 we recieved mails for the loan n9001 Jul 07 08:04:21 but i missed it Jul 07 08:04:27 so i replied last week Jul 07 08:04:38 i finally uploaded the okuda theme to extras-devel Jul 07 08:04:59 ian_r, http://picasaweb.google.de/lh/photo/lKuSNbySprKjXWvzYmzfmw?feat=directlink Jul 07 08:08:13 sorry, i don't actually know what that is seif_ Jul 07 08:08:22 ian_r, its ok Jul 07 08:08:29 ian_r, its zeitgeist running on maemo Jul 07 08:08:51 indeed Jul 07 08:08:51 we r working on having maemo to be bale to answer "most used contacts per location and time period" Jul 07 08:09:15 so when u are at work ur quick list changes according to who u call most at work Jul 07 08:09:25 nice Jul 07 08:14:36 seif_: based on time or gps? Jul 07 08:14:50 jacekowski, both Jul 07 08:15:10 do you have estimates of power consumption increase? Jul 07 08:15:21 jacekowski, not yet Jul 07 08:15:30 only one of us has an n900 Jul 07 08:15:35 i am waiting for mine Jul 07 08:15:41 but it uses python Jul 07 08:20:12 so this theme i just uploaded to extras-devel took forever, because it includes around 400 icons. Jul 07 08:20:18 psycho_oreos: hello? Jul 07 08:20:41 if any other theme authors want to add icons to their themes, consider starting with the okuda theme source, because it includes an icon template which gets sliced during the build process just like the theme template. Jul 07 08:20:51 obviously you could also make your own template layout if the icons i themed aren't the ones you want. Jul 07 08:22:05 ian_r, what theme you're talking about? Jul 07 08:22:19 Okuda Jul 07 08:22:26 just uploaded to extras-devel Jul 07 08:22:50 ian_r, will check it out now :) Jul 07 08:22:51 hildon-theme-okuda Jul 07 08:23:28 ian_r, version 0.1? Jul 07 08:23:37 ian_r: Screenshot? Jul 07 08:23:45 ian_r: The name suggests something Trekky :) Jul 07 08:23:48 heh i didn't change the version from stskeeps example theme yet Jul 07 08:24:01 ian_r, no no, just wanted to make sure it's the correct one :) Jul 07 08:24:17 yep that's it Jul 07 08:24:19 ian_r, the package filesize is confusing small if it really includes that much icons :P Jul 07 08:24:35 Jaffa, seen my ping earlier? Jul 07 08:24:42 Jaffa, i haven't even taken any screenshots of the released version yet Jul 07 08:24:51 will do shortly Jul 07 08:24:54 ian_r, looks very nice :) Jul 07 08:25:06 better after a reboot :) Jul 07 08:25:33 ian_r, though it's not really my cup of tea in the matter of "genre", but it's really nicely done. Jul 07 08:25:45 MohammadAG51: Yeah, seen my response? Jul 07 08:25:50 MohammadAG51: Hmm. Can you run "/opt/hermes/bin/hermes >log 2>&1" and send me the output? I didn't have a problem yesterday Jul 07 08:27:33 ian_r, custom icons are not shown in scratchbox.. maybe I'll have to test it @ N900 :) Jul 07 08:28:15 heh yeah the icons help Jul 07 08:28:28 Jaffa, the error doesn't show in the log that way :) Jul 07 08:29:37 ian_r, btw, you don't have to use the maemo-optify -function anymore with PR1.2 since the whole "themes" folder is now symlinked to /opt Jul 07 08:30:15 ian_r, and same goes to icons Jul 07 08:30:28 thanks, D-livil_Work. i may release some other color schemes at some point. all the graphics are svg so changing colors is quick. and it's open source so hopefully other people will make some variants. Jul 07 08:31:01 ian_r, I find it suprising that people really haven't made variations of themes that already exists. Jul 07 08:31:50 ian_r, well there's one that's made of joppu's carbon... but joppu was upset when the guy how did the modified -version. Jul 07 08:32:15 ian_r, whoa, there's really "few" icons included indeed :D Can't image the amount of work it took... Jul 07 08:32:25 D-Iivil_Work there were actually a couple forks of my old maemo 4 themes. heh i was pleased. Jul 07 08:32:37 yeah it took a while Jul 07 08:32:54 lol that's kind of an understatement Jul 07 08:34:30 ian_r, nice work with that icon template! Will definitely use that in the future! Jul 07 08:35:32 * timeless smiles Jul 07 08:35:49 * timeless finally found a hero who can poke people on the other side of the nokia world Jul 07 08:36:01 timeless, ? Jul 07 08:36:14 poke them in the eye Jul 07 08:36:27 oh, i've been trying to get something @ovi.com fixed for ages Jul 07 08:36:35 but i can't find the people or get them to move Jul 07 08:36:50 i ran into a guy who has actual influence at a party recently Jul 07 08:37:02 and he seems to be able to light a fire under their remote pants Jul 07 08:39:10 MohammadAG51: Update to v0.8.4; that was fixed within an hour of releasing 0.8.3 :-) Jul 07 08:39:43 D-Iivil_Work, great, i look forward to seeing more themes w/ icons! i generated the layout/template with a script my brother wrote back when we were making maemo 4 themes, (and then added and removed various icons manually because i was too lazy to rearrange my whole svg for minor additions). Jul 07 08:40:20 ian_r, well then thank your brother for me ;) Jul 07 08:42:05 timeless: you have to make them wear pants first, THEN you can utilize the remote-light-fire-under-pants power Jul 07 08:43:12 Shapeshifter, you there? hi, just need some help with your program if you don't mind :) Jul 07 08:43:19 psycho_oreos: yes? Jul 07 08:44:11 i can't even find the people Jul 07 08:44:29 ian_r, what file in the source package modifies the generated gtkrc -file to use icon theme? Jul 07 08:44:31 so it's kinda hard for me to get them to do anything let alone trigger the remote powers Jul 07 08:44:40 Shapeshifter, my alarmed isn't work, I think its missing a python type pacakge Jul 07 08:44:48 lol, I really wanted a portrait vkb so I made my own for use in my app Jul 07 08:44:49 s/pacakge/package/g Jul 07 08:44:50 psycho_oreos meant: Shapeshifter, my alarmed isn't work, I think its missing a python type package Jul 07 08:45:09 psycho_oreos: what happens if you run it from the command line as /opt/alarmed/alarmed.py ? Jul 07 08:45:28 Shapeshifter, it dumps a weird error message, please hang on a tick whilst I pastebin it Jul 07 08:45:41 ian_r, nevermind, already found that and seems like you have hard-coded the "okuda" to be the gtk-icon-theme-name? Jul 07 08:45:58 yeah that's probably not the best way to do it... Jul 07 08:46:21 ian_r, that's how I have done it also with Black Plastic. Jul 07 08:50:27 Jaffa, oh, ty, didn't notice there was an update :) Jul 07 08:50:27 D-Iivil_Work, btw if you'd like to cover a different set of icons than the ones in my template, you can generate your own layout with the script at the bottom of this old blog post: http://faceted.wordpress.com/2008/09/21/preview-of-our-new-maemo-theme/ Jul 07 08:51:44 ian_r, bookmarked :) Jul 07 08:53:23 In n900, how can I make the bookmarks, which are shown on the workspace/desktop, to open in firefox instead of the default browser? Jul 07 08:54:23 * D-Iivil_Work wonders what should I do to get Nokia to properly hildonize all of the built-in programs @ N900... Jul 07 08:54:28 akshey: not sure but maybe you want to use browsers switchboard to set ff as your default browser Jul 07 08:54:45 I'm guessing that might work although I never tried desktop bookmarks Jul 07 08:55:01 akshey: so... Jul 07 08:55:11 Shapeshifter: thanks. I will try that Jul 07 08:55:16 please keep in mind that trying to change the "default browser" generally *breaks* the default browser Jul 07 08:55:45 timeless: it does? How so? I've set the default browser to opera and microb is still working just fine if I launch it. Jul 07 08:55:48 i don't think it's the fault of the default browser, merely the hacker who is changing it Jul 07 08:55:58 shapeshifter: please search bugs.maemo.org Jul 07 08:56:05 timeless: If I change it back, will it work? Jul 07 08:56:20 I mean will it still stay broken? Jul 07 08:56:22 akshey: afaik, if you uninstall the thing which breaks it, yes Jul 07 08:56:33 ok Jul 07 08:56:36 but i don't know if "switching back" fixes it Jul 07 08:56:40 ok Jul 07 08:56:46 i have no idea what the thing does, and don't want to know Jul 07 08:56:50 how is opera? Jul 07 08:56:50 I don't see how it is broken. Jul 07 08:56:52 but i do not support people who try to break it Jul 07 08:56:55 because it isn't broken for me. Jul 07 08:58:58 * h0n3st is away: I'm busy Jul 07 08:59:16 Shapeshifter, got it: http://pastebin.com/M8Pj81L1 Jul 07 08:59:48 shapeshifter: bug 10708? Jul 07 08:59:49 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10708 browser keeps opening in full screen mode because of browser switchboard Jul 07 09:00:21 Shapeshifter: How well does opera work on n900? Jul 07 09:00:36 opera works... Jul 07 09:00:38 * timeless shrugs Jul 07 09:00:40 chromium works too Jul 07 09:00:43 psycho_oreos: mhh, let me have a look what that might be. Jul 07 09:00:49 psycho_oreos: one minute Jul 07 09:01:26 Shapeshifter, forgot to add, I'm running pr1.2, I've checked your talk link but I didn't find anything relevant, or I just gave up after scanning a few pages Jul 07 09:01:35 timeless: awesome! Is it faster than Firefox mobile? Jul 07 09:02:02 * timeless shrugs Jul 07 09:02:03 psycho_oreos: yeah I've never seen that problem before Jul 07 09:02:11 chromium is totally unhildonised and a bit clunky, but works Jul 07 09:02:14 akshey, faster? maybe.. usable? no Jul 07 09:02:19 Shapeshifter, bum :/ Jul 07 09:02:33 it is but it doesn't behave well Jul 07 09:02:33 akshey: ask the wrong question, expect to get a misleading answer Jul 07 09:02:40 psycho_oreos: can you please run python from the command line and then type in: from PySide import QtCore Jul 07 09:02:48 timeless: :) Jul 07 09:03:01 timeless: thanks for the answer anyways Jul 07 09:03:12 Shapeshifter, got invalid syntax Jul 07 09:03:40 under the letter `t' of import Jul 07 09:04:03 psycho_oreos: ehh, you sure you typed that in right? Jul 07 09:04:42 Shapeshifter, ahh I didn't copy the full line :) forgot the from part.. doh! Jul 07 09:05:04 so did that work or throw an error? Jul 07 09:05:19 http://pastebin.com/uHMMi5hK Jul 07 09:05:22 yeah it did Jul 07 09:05:46 I wonder if I should try reinstalling Qt somehow Jul 07 09:06:03 okay, so it's not a problem specific to alarmed. Let me link that paste in #python. Jul 07 09:06:12 o.O ok Jul 07 09:06:28 Is there anyway to have tab support in MicroB ? Jul 07 09:08:43 lol typical busy bunch Shapeshifter :) Jul 07 09:09:53 psycho_oreos: well i asked in #pyside as well. You might want to hang out over there and maybe re-ask the question. You could also try reinstalling pyside and or qt. Jul 07 09:10:00 well i doubt Qt itself is the problem. Jul 07 09:10:34 Shapeshifter, hmm ok I'll give those a try Jul 07 09:10:37 Whats modest? Jul 07 09:10:38 thanks :) Jul 07 09:11:48 psycho_oreos: yeah I'm guessing it's a broken install. Works fine here and I'm all up-to-date. Jul 07 09:12:57 psycho_oreos: are you gasper_k on the forum? Jul 07 09:13:21 Shapeshifter, nope :/ Jul 07 09:13:39 X-Fade, ping ping Jul 07 09:13:48 psycho_oreos: mhh so someone else has the same problem like you. so it's probably not a broken install, maybe... Jul 07 09:14:01 D-Iivil_Work: Wow, double pong ;) Jul 07 09:14:22 X-Fade, :D Jul 07 09:14:38 X-Fade, you didn't reply earlier to my single ping so I though I'd make it double this time! =D Jul 07 09:14:56 X-Fade, could you do me a favor and remove black-plastic-theme -package from extras -repo? Jul 07 09:15:22 X-Fade, it differs so much from the testing & devel -version and I'm soon about to promote the testing version to extras anyways. Jul 07 09:15:51 D-Iivil_Work: That is not that easy. Jul 07 09:15:51 Shapeshifter, I'm trying apt-get upgrade now, it was trying to install a new hildon-home but I put it on hold for now because I have hacked hildon-home :) Jul 07 09:15:59 X-Fade, it isn't? Jul 07 09:16:04 X-Fade, then forget it :D Jul 07 09:16:12 D-Iivil_Work: No, as it is also in downloads. Jul 07 09:16:33 X-Fade, I though downloads is dynamically generated from the repo... Jul 07 09:16:38 +t Jul 07 09:16:59 I can hide it in Downloads and remove it from extras. But then you need to not forget to ping me to unhide it when it is back in Extras. Jul 07 09:17:29 X-Fade, okay, then do not remove it :) Jul 07 09:17:55 X-Fade, I'm anyways only three days from quarantee to end for promoting the testing-version. Jul 07 09:18:05 ummm Jul 07 09:18:14 D-Iivil_Work: Ah ok, so that is not that long anymore. Jul 07 09:18:23 does the internal flash go bad Jul 07 09:18:26 Shapeshifter, weird, cannot download pyside, I think that's in devels right? Jul 07 09:18:35 or does it randomly reboot with a welcome screen Jul 07 09:19:14 X-Fade, yeah and then another ten days when I promote the current devel-version to testing... frustrading :D Jul 07 09:19:42 X-Fade: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/ Jul 07 09:19:59 D-Iivil_Work: Well at least it will make you think twice before uploading half-assed versions :) Jul 07 09:20:16 X-Fade, yeah. That's true. Jul 07 09:20:44 wow n810 discussions still have adults Jul 07 09:21:15 crashanddie: Cool :) Led on your device? Jul 07 09:21:15 psycho_oreos: I think it is, yes Jul 07 09:21:35 X-Fade: LED in contact key Jul 07 09:21:49 Ah ;) Jul 07 09:22:13 Pretty awesome. Jul 07 09:23:17 crashanddie: Next time use the multicolored led on your N900 :) Jul 07 09:23:30 yeah, didn't have it with me Jul 07 09:23:33 but it's an idea Jul 07 09:24:31 Pretty cool that you can see the glow of your led on the bike too. Jul 07 09:29:07 When I reboot my n900 it allows shows the welcome screen Jul 07 09:29:07 X-Fade: I actually shone the light on the bike so it would stand out Jul 07 09:29:19 it was way too dark, so if I didn't paint the bike, you could barely see it Jul 07 09:29:45 I painted the bike for 10-15 seconds, drew for 10-15 seconds, then left another 20-30 seconds for capturing the stars and decor Jul 07 09:30:12 let's make a LED/camera p2p networking device Jul 07 09:30:21 blink, blinkblinkblink, blink... Jul 07 09:31:17 ok so how does the system decide on the focal point pupnik_ - or are you taking it to occur only on dark nights where led will be the brightest? Jul 07 09:31:48 worst idea ever :) Jul 07 09:32:25 i would blink the led in a temporal pattern, and scan for that in successive frames of video Jul 07 09:32:39 This can't be happening... the DAMN MICRO-USB felt off second time >:( Jul 07 09:33:31 Ouch Jul 07 09:33:32 can someone test a build of my app to see if the virtual keyboard pops up for you Jul 07 09:34:11 it used to work but not anymore Jul 07 09:34:39 Jaffa, et al, here are some screenshots of the okuda theme http://people.ucsc.edu/~iryge/okuda/screenshots/ Jul 07 09:34:59 ian_r: cool Jul 07 09:35:06 dotblank, sure, no problem Jul 07 09:35:11 ian_r, very nice Jul 07 09:35:15 D-Iivil_Work, :( Jul 07 09:35:50 D-Iivil_Work, that's terrible :( Jul 07 09:36:00 thanks lcuk Jul 07 09:36:13 it's in -devel if you want it Jul 07 09:36:46 MohammadAG, do you want to compile the source or for me to just send you the binary Jul 07 09:37:02 dotblank, send the source Jul 07 09:37:24 smart move :-) Jul 07 09:38:11 * D-Iivil_Work calls back to Nokia Care... Jul 07 09:38:32 This time the damn port last like week or so. Jul 07 09:38:58 D-Iivil_Work: Did they repair or swap the board? Jul 07 09:38:58 MohammadAG, let me upload chanegs to git Jul 07 09:39:02 D-Iivil_Work, no abuse to the device? Jul 07 09:39:12 X-Fade, have no idea. All I know it was fast. Jul 07 09:39:25 MohammadAG, disconnected the USB-cable as usual. Jul 07 09:39:40 D-Iivil_Work, how old's the device? Jul 07 09:39:51 D-Iivil_Work: probably swapped the board then. Jul 07 09:39:59 MohammadAG, bought it when it was released in finland. Jul 07 09:40:15 :/ Jul 07 09:40:28 It is not an uncommon problem unfortunately. Jul 07 09:41:10 X-Fade, commond problem? I think it is when reading the thread @ tmo... Jul 07 09:41:18 aaa.. uncommond :d Jul 07 09:41:23 I missread your post :P Jul 07 09:41:27 D-Iivil_Work: Double negative ;) Jul 07 09:42:23 But yeah, the old charge port was so much better :( Jul 07 09:44:06 umm Jul 07 09:44:16 the CPU in the n900 sleeps at 0MHz? Jul 07 09:45:37 guten morgen sebastian Jul 07 09:45:48 MohammadAG, git clone https://vcs.maemo.org/git/groove Jul 07 09:46:27 if your using the sbox sdk you going to need libqjson-dev Jul 07 09:46:41 your* Jul 07 09:47:01 k, going to reboot, mount points weren't set properly Jul 07 09:47:23 WTF. The woman on the other end of the phone (Nokia Care) is telling me that this time my phone needs to be sent to goddamn "central" repair center abroad and it would take several weeks to get it back. Jul 07 09:47:29 Now I'm really getting pissed off... Jul 07 09:49:47 * D-Iivil_Work thinks about buying another N900... Jul 07 09:50:15 D-Iivil_Work: Maybe a store can do a better job? Jul 07 09:50:22 dotblank, error: error setting certificate verify locations: Jul 07 09:50:23 CAfile: /usr/share/curl/curl-ca-bundle.crt Jul 07 09:50:23 CApath: none Jul 07 09:50:33 X-Fade, yeah. I'm going to call directly to the place where they "fixed" it last time. Jul 07 09:51:33 MohammadAG, that only happens inside sbox Jul 07 09:51:52 everywhere else its fine.. its an issue with git in sbox Jul 07 09:52:36 its because garage.maemo.org usses https for git Jul 07 09:52:41 uses* Jul 07 09:53:06 dotblank: You can also use git+ssh. Jul 07 09:53:35 well for devs I believe Jul 07 09:53:46 Ah yes, no anonymous. Jul 07 09:54:24 apt-get install coffee Jul 07 09:54:44 E: Package coffee has no installation candidate Jul 07 09:55:24 dotblank, no debian folder? tsk tsk :P Jul 07 09:55:35 E: Could not open lock file /xfade's/coffee - open (13 Permission denied) Jul 07 09:56:10 MohammadAG, oh there is.. just not in git repo yet Jul 07 09:56:45 trying to keep them separated because it can build for desktop platforms Jul 07 09:57:19 although the recent revisions break portability.. but that code will get cleaned up Jul 07 09:58:41 dotblank: X-Fade: The decision to use a self-signed/invalid cert for https://garage.maemo.org is particularly annoying. Jul 07 09:58:46 X-Fade: Can't we get a valid cert? Jul 07 09:59:03 The cert is valid? Jul 07 09:59:14 It is a verisign cert? Jul 07 09:59:16 X-Fade: No, it's not. You have to turn SSL cert verification off. Jul 07 09:59:52 Jaffa: We don't use self signed certs, really. Jul 07 10:01:02 MohammadAG, also note that most of the buttons on the bottom do not work yet Jul 07 10:01:14 Jaffa, seems to be valid cert for me o_O Jul 07 10:01:35 Jaffa, cert is from VeriSign Jul 07 10:01:38 Jaffa, check your clock Jul 07 10:01:43 X-Fade: D-Iivil_Work: so why do I need to do the GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY, as desccribed here? https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=1071 Jul 07 10:01:46 maybe sbox has bad CAs Jul 07 10:01:46 Jaffa: If you see a self signed cert, then you get a man in the middle attack. Jul 07 10:02:21 Jaffa: Because curl is not compiled with ssl suport by default. Jul 07 10:02:26 I had the same isssue as Jaffa Jul 07 10:02:27 Jaffa: Not in all distros. Jul 07 10:02:27 dotblank, what deps do I need on my N900? Jul 07 10:02:35 libqjson Jul 07 10:02:46 Jaffa: So you need to recompile curl or use that env var. Jul 07 10:02:55 libqt >= 4.6.2 Jul 07 10:03:06 X-Fade: Bah. Including curl on fremantle :-( Jul 07 10:03:07 oh, for some reason I thought it was libqjason Jul 07 10:03:08 fail Jul 07 10:03:18 Jaffa: Including the one in all debian versions :) Jul 07 10:03:26 X-Fade, wasnt that an issue with ondevice builds of curl and effected git and other things too Jul 07 10:04:30 Jaffa: We spend many hundereds of euros on ssl certs per year, we really wouldn't go for self signed ones ;) Jul 07 10:05:30 X-Fade: are the super testers supposed to appear automagically or is that a cron based copy-over, too ? Jul 07 10:05:46 dotblank, virtual keyboard worksforme Jul 07 10:05:47 Is it possible to launch the in-built backup from command line? I want to get my N900 to make automaticly backups every night. Jul 07 10:05:48 achipa: runs twice per hour or so. Jul 07 10:06:05 achipa: or maybe once per hour. anyway. Jul 07 10:06:07 I remember there was a thread @ tmo about this, but lost it. Jul 07 10:06:11 X-Fade: ah, ok (added some people and was puzzled by not seeing them) Jul 07 10:06:18 how does it work in porttrait mode? Jul 07 10:06:26 dotblank, but it says package gstreamer0.10-plugins-good is not installed Jul 07 10:06:32 achipa: And then there is page cache, so check pages you haven't visited yet ;) Jul 07 10:06:35 well vkbd must be broken on my n900 then Jul 07 10:06:44 MohammadAG, yea ignore that.. Jul 07 10:06:53 dotblank, it is installed though :p Jul 07 10:09:07 dotblank, suggestion, make the list only scroll up/down Jul 07 10:09:27 MohammadAG, yea Ive been trying to get it to set the size properly... Jul 07 10:09:43 Qt seems to ignore my max size requests Jul 07 10:12:06 dotblank, umm, grooveshark's free? Jul 07 10:12:11 how is that legal? Jul 07 10:12:22 I wonder myself Jul 07 10:12:41 lol Jul 07 10:15:52 is it possible to right-click in openttd? Jul 07 10:39:17 ~botsnack Jul 07 10:39:17 :), DocScrutinizer51 Jul 07 10:40:31 http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/media.php?id=72258 WTF? Jul 07 10:41:43 Omweather takes more space than opera browser Jul 07 11:21:36 This is relevant to my intrests: http://danielwould.wordpress.com/2010/05/22/n900-im-style-notifications-from-python/ But I'm looking for command line command that works. Or a pre-made python script that makes it possible to launch these notification easily from cli. Any suggestions? Jul 07 11:22:08 Hi, I'm having trouble implementing Mobile IP because the Youtube plugin on the N900 browser keeps reseting the connection whenever I do handovers, although the interface the socket is attached to is never rest (we use a virtual interface for that), so the only suspect here is the N900 browser being listenet to the ICd2 D-Bus connection status interface so it can reset the Youtube session whenever it receives a Disconnect message t Jul 07 11:22:15 I'd just prefer the workin cli command. Jul 07 11:22:40 hmm Jul 07 11:22:51 so I thought the UI in N900 was cool or something... Jul 07 11:23:10 then I tried the SE Xperia X10... heh N900 is a sorry slow and pathetic UI =) Jul 07 11:23:44 I know (ba)sh fairly well, but I'm going to learn python sometime. Jul 07 11:23:45 fabinader: your post got cutoff after "Disconnect message" Jul 07 11:24:16 pupnik: through D-Bus... Does it makes sense? Jul 07 11:24:37 pupnik: this is the rest of the original message... Jul 07 11:24:57 tybollt: xperia is gay Jul 07 11:25:00 timeless: you know the answer to that? Jul 07 11:26:12 pupnik: The reason I'm asking this is because I would like to filter out this message being passed to the N900 browser so the Youtube session wouldn't be reset when we are actually doing a handover without changing the device's IPv4 address.... Jul 07 11:26:38 pupnik: Or something which would produce the same result :) Jul 07 11:27:12 fabinader: as far as i know interface is taken down during handover Jul 07 11:28:38 jacekowski: yeap it is, but if you are doing something like Mobile IP, your socket is attached to a "virtual interface" which your Home IPv4 Address, which is never taken down.... Jul 07 11:29:20 jacekowski: So in the occurence of a handover the interfaces are indeed taken down and up again, but the packets at the virtual interface can keep being sent as they are jsut queued... Jul 07 11:29:40 why are you doing something like that? Jul 07 11:30:11 jacekowski: we are perceiving that specifically the Youtube plugin resets the video session, while the Internet radio keeps doing fine... Jul 07 11:30:20 jacekowski: You mean, Mobile IP? Jul 07 11:30:40 fabinader: yes Jul 07 11:30:50 fabinader: what's the point in something like that? Jul 07 11:32:07 not having to restart the youtube Jul 07 11:32:25 smoother wifi roaming perhaps? Jul 07 11:32:51 jacekowski: well, there are multiple answers, but one very important is to just enable roaming between networks (and network technologies) trying to provide the so-called "seamless connectivity", without interruptions, without IP address changes... And in our case we're doing Dual-Stack Mobile IPv6, so we provide dual-stack connectivity (IPv4 and IPv6) for the N900 no matter whether it is connected to an IPv4, IPv6 or dual-stack ne Jul 07 11:33:34 jacekowski: by assuming the Youtube session needing to be reset when you perceive a disconnection simply inhibits things like that being implemented... Jul 07 11:33:47 * alterego is getting a second N900 in 7 days :D Jul 07 11:34:05 jacekowski: may be OK for the common "today" case, but for the future "seamless connectivity Jul 07 11:34:17 With two, I can cluster them and get multitouch functionality! woo!!! Jul 07 11:34:19 jacekowski: case it will not work Jul 07 11:34:33 alterego, bugger off, you only need 1 device to do multitouch Jul 07 11:35:00 fabinader: where can one find more about your work? Jul 07 11:35:26 http://www.nokian900applications.com/fapman-for-nokia-n900/ - what a name Jul 07 11:35:44 fabinader, how would the connection transfer work for things like ssl connections? Jul 07 11:35:48 do i assume it wouldnt be a problem Jul 07 11:35:53 lcuk: sure, when USB host mode comes out and I can plug in two mice :P Jul 07 11:36:16 lcuk: seriously though, I want another one so I can keep my personal one stable and have another one for dev. Jul 07 11:36:23 :) Jul 07 11:36:26 wise Jul 07 11:36:29 lcuk: Mobile IP works at a lower layer, shouldn't be noticed by the app Jul 07 11:36:32 akomals: At first you can look at RFC 5555, which specifies the Dual-Stack Mobile IPv6 protocol... And we intend to publish our implementation in the future, but at the moment the misbehavior of the N900 browser is delaying us... Jul 07 11:37:17 fabinader: thanks :) Jul 07 11:37:26 akoma1s, ta - just curiosity - heard about the ipv6 stack being investigated a while ago (at fosdem) so nice to see it beyond speaking Jul 07 11:37:50 fabinader: well, any vpn would do it Jul 07 11:37:55 fabinader, does this problem appear to be specific to the youtube stream or is just where you noticed it Jul 07 11:38:09 lcuk: Well, it is working with SSL connections because (here is my guessing) the N900 browser itself does not reset the socket connection, but in the Youtube case I believe the Youtube plugin (not the browser itself) is listening to the ICd2 D-Bus messages... Otherwise we would perceive a reset in SSL connections too... Jul 07 11:38:42 too smart for its own good I guess Jul 07 11:38:42 lcuk: in our tests it occurred specifically with Youtube video... Jul 07 11:38:49 lcuk: internet radio was OK... Jul 07 11:39:27 perhaps there is some way to filter what messages it's able to receive Jul 07 11:39:29 fabinader, in that case, it might be worth filing a bug against the youtube app Jul 07 11:39:48 isn't that closed source? Jul 07 11:39:53 lcuk: Regarding Web sessions it is also OK because the way web sessions are implemented today they can handle smoothly IPv4 address chanegs and connectivity disruptions so they don't count... Jul 07 11:39:59 doesnt stop you filing a bug Jul 07 11:40:22 lcuk: Well, I can do that but then I couldn't prepare my demo in less than two weeks :p Jul 07 11:40:39 fabinader: sorry - what are you trying to do? Jul 07 11:40:53 akomals: I don't know :( Jul 07 11:40:56 fabinader, sure - get yourself organised and if its a specific issue file asap Jul 07 11:41:31 SpeedEvil: I'm trying to avoid the Youtube plugin on the N900 browser to reset the Youtube session when I do a handover between Wi-Fi networks or between Wi-Fi and GPRS... Jul 07 11:41:52 don't use the browser? Jul 07 11:42:02 youtube-dl works Jul 07 11:42:16 DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is your friend, intercept there Jul 07 11:42:18 and resumes, iirc Jul 07 11:42:19 lcuk: for now if I could just filter out the ICd2 messages to the Youtube plugin I would be OK... Jul 07 11:42:21 does the author of fapman application lie in here? Jul 07 11:42:30 SpeedEvil, watching cat movies whilst seamlessly transitioning between connectivity methods is a high priority real world use case for testing things! Jul 07 11:42:37 the spice must flow Jul 07 11:42:39 :) Jul 07 11:42:57 SpeedEvil: Well, I can do that, but then I couldn't demonstrate the exact purpose of DSMIPv6 :( Jul 07 11:43:02 http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/05/spice_must_flow.jpg Jul 07 11:43:32 I meant - use another browser Jul 07 11:43:51 X-Fade: The safest way to get around the self-signed certificates error would be using the perspectives plugin: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~perspectives/ Jul 07 11:44:17 akomals: Do I, as a D-Bus message sender, have any power to filter out the receivers of that message? Or at least do the filtering at the console? Jul 07 11:44:22 fabinader: this is the equivalent of an IPV4 VPN that reconnects over changes/ Jul 07 11:44:30 tobis87: We don't have any self-signed certs. Jul 07 11:44:38 Yeap, it is a similar problem... Jul 07 11:44:59 SpeedEvil: Yeap, it is a similar problem... Jul 07 11:45:05 k Jul 07 11:45:21 SpeedEvil: do you know of any fixes VPN guys have for this issue? Jul 07 11:45:27 nope, sorry. Jul 07 11:45:33 I just wish icd2 was open Jul 07 11:45:44 it's getting in the way a lot. Jul 07 11:45:44 SpeedEvil: me too :( Jul 07 11:45:59 icd2 is closed, youtube thing closed too Jul 07 11:46:09 intercepting seems to be the only way to me Jul 07 11:46:21 akomals: What do you mean by DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS? Do I, as a D-Bus message sender, have any power to filter out the receivers of that message? Or at least do the filtering at the console? Jul 07 11:46:38 It annoys frals, for fmms, and many people that want to fix wifi authentication for their platform, and people that want to tether over wifi, and ... Jul 07 11:46:47 X-Fade: ok, but the plugin is still helpfull for all these website, which do use self-signed certificates Jul 07 11:46:50 SpeedEvil: ConnMan in the next device is open, so there we may have power to change something :) Jul 07 11:47:08 DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is an environment variable telling the application where to find the session's dbus daemon Jul 07 11:47:15 so, Jul 07 11:48:11 first try running the browser with this variable unset Jul 07 11:48:19 if that fails Jul 07 11:49:25 you'll have to run a 2nd, hacked, copy of dbus-daemon that strips the icd2 messages and redirect the browser to this one Jul 07 11:50:07 jacekowski: xperia has a cool UI. Jul 07 11:50:07 akomals: once I know the PID of the D-Bus daemon, do you know of any interface on this daemon where I can filter out messages? I mean, I'm worried that once I do such thing the ICd2 UI components stop working also, as in my perception they rely on the ICd2 messages through D-Bus to update the connectivity status indication on the UI... Jul 07 11:50:08 you'll of course have to write an app that relays the messages from the normal session dbus daemon to your hacked dbus daemon Jul 07 11:50:13 akomals: hum... Jul 07 11:50:28 fabinader: sorry, Jul 07 11:51:00 what I meant, is run the browser (which hosts the youtube plugin I guess) with $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS unset Jul 07 11:51:06 and see how it goes Jul 07 11:52:11 if that fails, run a 2nd dbus-daemon by hand and point the browser (through $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS) to that one Jul 07 11:52:27 the rest of the system should be unaffected by this Jul 07 11:52:36 akomals: Oh, OK... I see your point... Jul 07 11:53:09 you'll definitely have to read up a bit on dbus-daemon if the first method fails Jul 07 11:54:03 akkomals: the dbis-daemon used by the N900 is open-sourced, right? Jul 07 11:54:13 sbus- Jul 07 11:54:15 dbus-* Jul 07 11:55:10 if it isn't, they're violating the license Jul 07 11:55:41 jacekowski: sorry, your message came truncated.... Jul 07 11:55:43 disclaimer here: unfortunately I don't own a N900 so I can't check it myself Jul 07 11:56:06 it didn't Jul 07 11:56:12 i was just correcting your spelling Jul 07 11:56:31 jacekowski: oh, thanks :) s is near to d :p Jul 07 11:57:11 akomals: thanks for the hint, I'll try those approaches... Jul 07 11:57:27 please report back if it works :) Jul 07 11:57:51 akoma1s: repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 Jul 07 11:58:07 Stskeeps: thanks :) Jul 07 12:00:54 akomals: I have first to discover the process name (or processes' names) of the native browser, but at least 'ps' may eb my friend :) Jul 07 12:01:32 I was about to ask what is the executable of it in fact :) Jul 07 12:01:50 I think it's called Micro-P or something like that Jul 07 12:05:31 just checked, it's called MicroB Jul 07 12:06:58 and there's a "tablet-browser-daemon" involved, which complicates things a bit Jul 07 12:07:44 akomals: Thatś right... But there isn't a process named MicroB or something related when the browser is running just /usr/bin/browser and /usr/sbin/browserd Jul 07 12:07:59 akomals: and they fit on the descriptionyou just made :) Jul 07 12:08:34 nice :) Jul 07 12:09:01 browserd is the 'microb' framework. Jul 07 12:09:15 btw, please write my nick with a one(1), so I'm notified of your messages Jul 07 12:09:29 This implements the 'bookmarks' app, the conversations app, and the browser. Jul 07 12:09:47 The browser is confusingly also known as microb Jul 07 12:10:02 SpeedEvil: so the browserd process would be the one to look, right? Jul 07 12:10:24 sorry - I've just woken up - what are you trying to do again Jul 07 12:10:28 oh - dbus lies Jul 07 12:10:51 yes - you're probably looking in /etc/X11/X11.post - for where browserd is started Jul 07 12:10:57 and wrap it - possibly Jul 07 12:11:26 I am unsure what elements of the browser are open source Jul 07 12:12:17 SpeedEvil: thanks also... Jul 07 12:13:00 akomals: sorry, I'm an IRC newbie... isn't just necessary to write : ? Jul 07 12:13:28 Yes it is, but the l is an 1 ;) Jul 07 12:13:30 I meant you're misspelling my nick :) Jul 07 12:13:40 that is, the lowercase L is a one Jul 07 12:13:43 * SpeedEvil sighs at annoying people with strange chars in their nicks. Jul 07 12:13:55 Sometimes you can't use a client with easy completion. Jul 07 12:14:02 sorry about that, it makes perfect sense in my language :) Jul 07 12:16:13 akoma1s: sorry :p Jul 07 12:16:29 hmm Jul 07 12:16:39 np, at first I thought my client had bugged :) Jul 07 12:16:41 is there a usable meego image yet? Jul 07 12:16:51 as in not the initial only-xterm thing Jul 07 12:16:52 akoma1s: just realized that... I'm using the web interface, and the font selection of Iceweasel doesn help much.... Jul 07 12:17:10 I see :/ Jul 07 12:18:31 iceweasel? Jul 07 12:18:47 the "really free" version of firefox Jul 07 12:20:59 fabinader, though I'm pretty sure it should default to monospace, and every modern browser ought to have a monospace font :\ Jul 07 12:21:16 does N900 have ring signals customizable per contact? Jul 07 12:22:48 tybollt, i dont think so Jul 07 12:25:53 I'm using DejaVu Mono here, and 1 and l are not that distinguisable either Jul 07 12:30:43 tybollt: i think there is some app adding that now Jul 07 12:31:27 fabinader: if you edit a script to do it, assuming it was calling "browser", change the line to "DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS= browser". Note the space between "=" and "browser"! Jul 07 12:35:42 apple releases iPhone 4.1! http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/4764273405_396564c798_b.jpg Jul 07 12:36:46 frals: which one :D Jul 07 12:37:24 lol pupnik Jul 07 12:41:18 tybollt: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=729777#post729777 Jul 07 12:41:22 tybollt: dunno status on it though Jul 07 12:41:26 pupnik: that don't look bad Jul 07 12:41:28 :D Jul 07 12:43:17 * SpeedEvil giggles. Jul 07 12:43:59 Is it inappropriate to say 'If all your friends use spiral distorted faces, you might want to reconsider who you know.' Jul 07 12:46:44 7" Cortex-A8 tablet (android) $200-250 http://shanzai.com/index.php/bandit-gadgets/tablets/1360-first-look-a81-sub-usd-200-mountable-tablet-sports-removable-battery-android-21-cortex-8-processor-and-features-galore Jul 07 12:54:23 frals: hrrrm I forget the name of .se company that makes car mounts for various handhelds and cell phone, you remember? Jul 07 12:55:22 no idea Jul 07 12:55:53 never even been looking at getting one :) Jul 07 12:56:52 So he's revieing a tablet and talks about the carrying case being able to hold paper and pens. pahahah Jul 07 12:57:08 Also, "I'm going to do an unboxing, but we've actually already unboxed it." Jul 07 12:57:19 I hate unboxing videos, they're the most retarded freakin' thing ... Jul 07 12:57:54 alterego, its become a part of the experience Jul 07 12:58:01 It's horrible .. Jul 07 12:58:13 It makes me want to scratch my eyes out .. Jul 07 12:58:33 n900 hackerbox was awesome :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=324t0R9NSZk Jul 07 12:58:49 Don't get me wrong, I love unboxing gadgets, I just don't understand why the blogosphere and youtube nation think it's a good idea to do retard unboxcing vids. Jul 07 12:59:33 i have to agree, when all they do is removing it from the friggin standard box... its not something i need to see Jul 07 12:59:41 :) Jul 07 12:59:43 alterego, just because you do not see the sense in something does not make it retarded Jul 07 12:59:50 but if its like the hacker case something a tad special i can see the point Jul 07 13:00:23 but unboxing the regular n900 is something you can take 2 pictures off and be done with really :D Jul 07 13:00:27 I don't see the point :P Jul 07 13:00:31 frals, prove it Jul 07 13:00:50 1) Picture of box. 2) Picture of box, open with all contents on table. Jul 07 13:00:53 That's all I need! Jul 07 13:00:58 go on then Jul 07 13:01:05 ok 3 pictures, complete box, first part lifted, and then all package.. imo :) Jul 07 13:01:23 lcuk: ill do it when i get home, i happen to have a pristine box there! Jul 07 13:01:31 :D Jul 07 13:01:34 Heh Jul 07 13:01:43 please be adding troutyness to it Jul 07 13:02:00 ah, that reminds me, need to do some shopping on my way home Jul 07 13:02:06 :D Jul 07 13:02:08 finally got a working freezer in my apartment Jul 07 13:02:12 +100 Jul 07 13:02:20 did you post unboxing video of freezer? Jul 07 13:02:22 not being able to have ice cream at home _sucks_ Jul 07 13:02:32 tis wasnt a new one :( Jul 07 13:02:38 and super installed it while i was at work :D Jul 07 13:02:52 ok, unboxing your shopping should be feasible to make up Jul 07 13:03:18 finns and communicating... i only toldim my old freezer was broken.. and a few days later when i got home they had put a new one in Jul 07 13:03:33 :) Jul 07 13:03:46 and the next day i get an email saying "yeah we left your old fridge since you were using it, let us know if we should pick it up since this unit got both fridge+freezer" Jul 07 13:04:20 frals: who's super? Jul 07 13:04:40 teh super! hyresvärden! Jul 07 13:04:50 * alterego is lost .. Jul 07 13:04:56 oh sorry Jul 07 13:05:01 * alterego tries to remember what he's doing .. Jul 07 13:05:13 the err manager of the apartment building Jul 07 13:05:16 Oh, that's right. NMEA output Jul 07 13:05:19 Sweet, Jul 07 13:05:54 how does the hackbox work? Jul 07 13:05:59 did someone hack it? Jul 07 13:06:10 alterego: you mean you're faking NMEA? Jul 07 13:06:13 kerio, did you read/watch Jul 07 13:06:41 i watched the video Jul 07 13:06:43 alterego: Or reading from some external source Jul 07 13:06:46 no, i was wondering if someone actually hacked it Jul 07 13:06:57 is that just a simple chip connected to the opening circuit? Jul 07 13:06:59 how does it power? Jul 07 13:07:32 SpeedEvil: faking it. Jul 07 13:07:41 ah Jul 07 13:07:44 kerio, usb supplies power.. Jul 07 13:07:55 i see Jul 07 13:07:59 * frals tries to remember what he was doing before checking irc Jul 07 13:08:04 I'm implementing Bluetooth serial, USB serial and UDP/TCP connection NMEA streaming from my app. Jul 07 13:08:06 alterego: Have you worked out where the GPS actually comed from in the lowest instance? Jul 07 13:08:16 alterego: Or are you just doing location-lib Jul 07 13:08:19 liblocation Jul 07 13:08:29 liblocation, but there is gpsd I thought? Jul 07 13:08:32 alterego: you missed gpsd Jul 07 13:08:41 umm - I'm unsure - I thought not Jul 07 13:08:56 Oh, no, there isn't. Jul 07 13:09:04 I thought that there was gpsd compiled and in the repos, but it doesn't work - as it was assuming there was a source for NMEA - and there isn't one Jul 07 13:09:10 timeless_mbp: ping Jul 07 13:09:26 Yeah, would be pretty useless. Jul 07 13:09:33 Looks like liblocation is the only way to go then. Jul 07 13:09:56 pong Jul 07 13:09:59 Not that I mind, makes my application more portable .. Jul 07 13:10:07 Jaffa: DUI==MTF Jul 07 13:10:42 Driving Under the Influence is a terrible abbr to attempt to coopt :) Jul 07 13:10:57 besides, microsoft already had a dui :) Jul 07 13:12:19 bbiam Jul 07 13:14:07 Dumbass acronym collisions. Jul 07 13:14:19 Serious, which idiot in marketing thought up that one? Jul 07 13:15:33 iirc there were two such idiots :) Jul 07 13:15:37 Restarting to change themes. . . . Jul 07 13:15:39 one in maemo and one in symbian :) Jul 07 13:15:51 Talk about half-assed theme engines. Jul 07 13:15:58 Heh Jul 07 13:16:00 GAN900: which platform is that? Jul 07 13:16:38 Hrm, how do I read the light sensor, I want to use it to auto-switch between day/night mode in my app :) Jul 07 13:16:52 alterego: very slowly Jul 07 13:16:57 otherwise you'll piss me off :) Jul 07 13:17:06 Yes :P Jul 07 13:17:08 often a user will brush up against the screen or something Jul 07 13:17:26 There will probably be a 10 second grace period. Jul 07 13:17:35 and it's a configurable option :P Jul 07 13:17:37 i use left hand and am always covering up sensor Jul 07 13:17:47 Yeah, me too. Jul 07 13:18:05 Maemo--the most Windows 98-like Linux you've ever used! Jul 07 13:18:08 Do you know how I read it? sysfs? Jul 07 13:18:13 I keep my N900 in the N810's pouch... Jul 07 13:18:20 GAN900, which theme Jul 07 13:18:20 Silly right handed people. Now you realise why left handers exist. Jul 07 13:18:32 lcuk, any themel Jul 07 13:18:37 luke-jr: does it fit? I'm gonna try that. I've been keeping mine in the 770 pouch :D Jul 07 13:18:47 lcuk, because the theme engine is shit and half the OS is unthemable. Jul 07 13:18:56 alterego: it fits very loosely Jul 07 13:18:58 Termana: to piss apple off it seems :P Jul 07 13:19:04 Or requires labour-intensive workarounds. Jul 07 13:19:22 Though isn't Mr Jobs a lefty ... Jul 07 13:19:26 what I don't get is why N900 didn't include a case as well Jul 07 13:19:35 or maybe it did, and I just didn't get one...? Jul 07 13:19:44 what case? Jul 07 13:19:49 I didn't get any case :) Jul 07 13:19:59 Jartza: N810 came w/ a case Jul 07 13:20:02 GAN900, please be specific and tell me which part of changing theme tells you/forces you to reboot and is it specific themes or something you have installed Jul 07 13:20:06 it also came with half a car mount Jul 07 13:20:11 luke-jr: it didn't they really cut corners, no extra stylus or case. Jul 07 13:20:27 and a wall charger Jul 07 13:20:31 770 had both, as did N800 and N810 Jul 07 13:20:44 my N810 didn't have an extra stylus Jul 07 13:20:54 luke-jr: mine did :P Jul 07 13:20:57 My n810 came with an extra Jul 07 13:21:17 luke-jr, you got ripped off! shamed! :P Jul 07 13:21:28 I don't have n810 Jul 07 13:21:33 I only have n800 and n900 Jul 07 13:21:42 Termana: the stylus was the least of the ripoffness Jul 07 13:21:50 I've got all the tablets :/ Jul 07 13:22:14 alterego, the n900 is a phone not a tablet *giggles and hides* Jul 07 13:22:27 Probably skip the next device unless I get it cheap. Don't think they'll do DDP for the next one though :( Jul 07 13:22:33 curiously, I can see myself using N810 rather than N900 when we finish the mainline Linux port Jul 07 13:23:06 mostly because of the keyboard Jul 07 13:23:31 luke-jr, because you can be tracked with GSM? Will you also be doing your web surfing by wget and email? Jul 07 13:23:36 :P Jul 07 13:23:51 Termana: you can be tracked with GSM? even in Nebraska where there's no GSM service? Jul 07 13:24:08 luke-jr: yes Jul 07 13:24:16 luke-jr, no GSM service at all? :P Jul 07 13:24:23 Heh Jul 07 13:24:24 Termana: meh, except AT&T Jul 07 13:24:45 I can't afford AT&T's *talk* plans, let alone data -.-;; Jul 07 13:25:13 luke-jr, I have a solution for that. Jul 07 13:25:14 :D Jul 07 13:25:22 Termana: no, you don't. Jul 07 13:25:38 :P Jul 07 13:26:25 Termana: unless you have a way to get me passports and leave Nebraska without authorization Jul 07 13:27:20 did you apply for one? :P Jul 07 13:27:36 luke-jr: Unfortunately, the fleet of maemo black helicopters is down due to a regression in PR1.2. Waiting for 1.3 Jul 07 13:27:37 luke-jr, ever wanted to be an Australian citizen? Jul 07 13:27:37 :P Jul 07 13:27:53 frals: brodit.se Jul 07 13:28:18 Anyone here good at trig? Jul 07 13:28:35 luke-jr: you can't get a passport? Jul 07 13:28:44 Termana: possibly, but I suspect they're more than willing to export me back if Nebraska so demands; I also will not agree to their immigration terms Jul 07 13:29:10 luke-jr: why you can't leave nebraska Jul 07 13:29:13 Stskeeps: applying for one would get me punished, and the application denied probably Jul 07 13:29:28 luke-jr: are you a criminal or something? Jul 07 13:29:30 jacekowski: Nebraska is a tyrannical State Jul 07 13:29:31 Stskeeps: Wasn't there a period when Symbian's was called DirectUI as well? Jul 07 13:29:47 luke-jr: seriously? Jul 07 13:29:51 jacekowski: seriously. Jul 07 13:29:57 oO Jul 07 13:30:01 lol. Yes, luke-jr is the masked serial murderer. And they have given him internet access in jail Jul 07 13:30:16 Jaffa: probably yes Jul 07 13:30:17 in poland if you are willing to pay 2x as much as normal people pay you can get passport in 48h Jul 07 13:30:25 Jaffa: there's MTF and Orbit Jul 07 13:30:50 jacekowski: my wife has a mental disorder; as a result, the State claims custody of our children until we get a legal separation; the State also has laws requring court permission to leave if one is separated with children Jul 07 13:31:28 well, i can just take my passport and go everywhere Jul 07 13:31:47 and if it expires i just pay i think it's 140pln or 280pln if i want it done in 48h Jul 07 13:31:54 and get new one Jul 07 13:32:01 and i can go everywhere except us Jul 07 13:32:06 US* Jul 07 13:32:19 jacekowski, visa waiver laws? Jul 07 13:32:26 lcuk, font colors. Jul 07 13:32:34 lcuk, most of the icons. Jul 07 13:32:46 lcuk, some other system colors here and there. Jul 07 13:32:47 jacekowski, or you still need to apply for a visa? Jul 07 13:33:26 lcuk, ian_r may file some bugs, although the fact that the likelihood of them being fixed is quickly approaching zero is high. Jul 07 13:33:41 lcuk, and a lot of them have been around since the 770. Jul 07 13:34:07 lcuk, and it aint the theme. Jul 07 13:34:18 GAN900, you cynic you Jul 07 13:34:22 lcuk, it's Maemo's incredibly broken theming engine. :) Jul 07 13:35:16 Termana: well, my visa app got denied Jul 07 13:35:31 Termana: so i told bitch at the embassy what i'm thinking about her Jul 07 13:35:38 GAN900, well that told me. but you havent mentioned specifics nor why you didnt file these as bugs in the 770 days Jul 07 13:35:53 jacekowski, for the US, i know. But do you need to do visa applications for other countries or are they all included under visa waiver laws? Jul 07 13:36:06 Termana: it's only US that requires travel visa Jul 07 13:36:21 Termana: at least from me Jul 07 13:36:41 Termana: all other countries i either can get visa at the border or travel without visa Jul 07 13:36:55 lcuk, they have been filed. :) Jul 07 13:37:16 lcuk, unfortunately they've been ignored, "fixed", or regressed. Jul 07 13:37:18 hmmm, russia requires visa Jul 07 13:37:31 but to get russian visa all you have to do is pay Jul 07 13:37:36 lcuk, I really don't have time this morning to go dig up bug numbers for you. Jul 07 13:37:45 jacekowski, in soviet russian, visa requires you! Jul 07 13:37:59 Japan? Jul 07 13:38:02 nope Jul 07 13:38:04 New Zealand? Jul 07 13:38:07 nope Jul 07 13:38:18 japan requires return ticket Jul 07 13:38:35 and passport valid for at least 6 more months Jul 07 13:39:08 lcuk, do you use any third party themes? Jul 07 13:39:38 i would need visa for egypt but you get that on the airport after you pay i think $50 Jul 07 13:40:04 yes Jul 07 13:40:13 I was in egypt couple of months ago Jul 07 13:40:17 that's how it works Jul 07 13:40:52 GAN900, when i remember they are there Jul 07 13:41:18 jacekowski: so what's someone to do if they can't get a passport? ;) Jul 07 13:41:37 luke-jr: well, as long as you can pay you can get a passport Jul 07 13:41:48 unless you are underage Jul 07 13:41:52 I mean a real one Jul 07 13:41:53 then it's PITA Jul 07 13:42:00 luke-jr: it's real one Jul 07 13:42:06 yahoooo, I just got my N900 :-) Jul 07 13:42:20 jacekowski: government here won't give me one Jul 07 13:42:21 jacekowski, I think luke-jr is trying to get a passport inside the US, in an unofficial manner ;) Jul 07 13:42:41 lcuk, don't tell me you've never noticed how broken theming is, then. Jul 07 13:43:01 us passport have all these fingerprints and all stuff in them Jul 07 13:43:05 I want to start adding contacts and applications but I am holding myself because I think the first thing to do should be upgrading it to 1.2 Jul 07 13:43:26 smhar, do the update first... Jul 07 13:43:28 smhar: yep, do full flash Jul 07 13:43:55 any quick link on this? Jul 07 13:44:07 ~flashing Jul 07 13:44:08 i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 07 13:44:20 full fiasco image flash + eMMC Jul 07 13:45:32 Apparently short drops to carpet cause shutdown now. Jul 07 13:46:04 yeah Jul 07 13:46:13 i think that's because of battery contacts Jul 07 13:46:20 Firstly, its probably not a good idea to be dropping it in the first place Jul 07 13:46:33 carpet or not Jul 07 13:46:55 Termana, color me clumsy Jul 07 13:47:18 lcuk, if you have the power to fix the theme engine, then do so. Jul 07 13:47:21 GAN900, more like "The hell, you need to shut down to change themes? I'll show you!" Jul 07 13:47:27 jacekowski: I'm not sure I'd be willing to get fingerprinted, in any case Jul 07 13:47:34 :P Jul 07 13:47:45 lcuk, if not, well, don't play "Pass the blame to the user because he can't feed me bug numbers". Jul 07 13:47:48 having fingerprints taken is for criminals Jul 07 13:48:40 GAN900, to be knowledgable about the problems it helps to see the specific reports so i can then engage in the right kind of discussion with the right people Jul 07 13:48:56 luke-jr: write to your MP Jul 07 13:49:04 wtf is a MP Jul 07 13:49:04 lcuk, then talk to ian_r. Jul 07 13:49:08 if the issue is related to custom themes and the way they are doing it differently, then it should be addresses Jul 07 13:49:29 luke-jr, actually, writing to a senator isn't a bad idea. Jul 07 13:49:33 member of parliament Jul 07 13:49:42 or whatever you've got in there Jul 07 13:49:47 well no GAN900 if you, ian_r or anyone else has a technical issue then bring it up properly Jul 07 13:50:00 lcuk, the issueS are related to generally terrible theme handling. Jul 07 13:50:05 lcuk, synthesize.us. Jul 07 13:50:13 lcuk, LCARS guy. Jul 07 13:50:39 as if they'd care Jul 07 13:51:04 I downloaded maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb . this is the correct flasher for debian, right? Jul 07 13:51:08 luke-jr, can't hurt. Jul 07 13:51:15 GAN900: actually, can Jul 07 13:51:45 lcuk, unfortunately Nokia and its developers have done an unbelievably excellent job of disincentivizing that. Jul 07 13:52:59 Hello! Does GTK from Maemo contain the GtkFileChooserDialog class? I'm getting errors from Glade when trying to load my .glade file Jul 07 13:53:08 what is the eMMC? Jul 07 13:53:19 smhar: internal flash drive Jul 07 13:55:24 lcuk, when long standing contributors say "I found a lot of bugs, but it's not worth my time to file them." we've got a problem. Jul 07 13:56:37 GAN900, when long standing contributors have a hissy fit in the channel instead of giving me something concrete i can discuss with people, yes i agree we have a problem. Jul 07 13:56:49 Yeah. . . . Jul 07 13:56:51 GAN900: why? cause maemo is essentially a dead end, or? Jul 07 13:56:51 GAN900: who said that? Jul 07 13:57:20 lcuk: where else should people throw their hissy fits? :P Jul 07 13:57:24 jacekowski, but there is no memory card included? Jul 07 13:57:37 smhar: there is flash inside Jul 07 13:57:38 zap, afaik, yes it does Jul 07 13:57:55 smhar: there is NAND which is flashed from fiasco image Jul 07 13:58:07 smhar: and eMMC which is flashed with eMMC image Jul 07 13:58:13 ~curse scratchbox Jul 07 13:58:14 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, scratchbox ! Jul 07 13:58:18 smhar: and NAND is a lot faster but it's smaller Jul 07 13:58:24 ~trout frals Jul 07 13:58:25 * infobot slaps frals around a bit with a large trout! Jul 07 13:58:36 * jacekowski slaps MohammadAG Jul 07 13:58:37 oi thats my line! Jul 07 13:58:46 ~frals Jul 07 13:58:47 from memory, frals is a large smelly trout, or the developer of fMMS Jul 07 13:58:53 :D Jul 07 13:58:56 ! Jul 07 13:59:04 ~MohammadAG Jul 07 13:59:05 it has been said that mohammadag is special Jul 07 13:59:14 :P Jul 07 13:59:19 ~lcuk Jul 07 13:59:20 you are probably a mighty good developer, best known for his work on liqbase and helping Nokia with the Identity project during the onedotzero event in London. Jul 07 13:59:21 mohammadawg Jul 07 13:59:34 sage Jul 07 13:59:44 ~jacekowski Jul 07 13:59:55 ~jacekowksi Jul 07 13:59:56 hmmmmmm Jul 07 13:59:57 * MohammadAG would define that as a swear word but.. Jul 07 14:00:05 ~kerio Jul 07 14:00:06 ehhhh Jul 07 14:00:11 jacekowski, so since I only have the internal flash now, I should use the fiasco image? Jul 07 14:00:15 well whenever i see jacekowski i think of cat from red dwarf Jul 07 14:00:27 smhar: no Jul 07 14:00:27 HAHAHA =) Jul 07 14:00:36 ~jacekowski is a cat from red dwarf Jul 07 14:00:37 smhar: there are 2 types of memory builtin Jul 07 14:00:37 MohammadAG: okay Jul 07 14:00:41 lcuk, happy? Jul 07 14:00:43 smhar: NAND flash and eMMC Jul 07 14:00:46 he once said the word jacekowski is the sound you make when reading a book in the nude and you close it on your genitals Jul 07 14:00:49 smhar: + you can add uSD card Jul 07 14:00:57 smhar: you have to flash fiasco + eMMC Jul 07 14:01:16 now you can try ~jacekowski :P Jul 07 14:01:20 Payam Samii [xxxxx.xxxxx@ Jul 07 14:01:27 I can't find this file anywhere. Jul 07 14:01:27 can you send it to me or tell me where i can download it from. Jul 07 14:01:27 Thanks. Jul 07 14:01:29 jacekowski, got it Jul 07 14:01:36 ehh Jul 07 14:01:42 some people are just stupid Jul 07 14:03:54 jacekowski, apologies i spelt it wrong, but i think of this line every time i see your name :$ Jul 07 14:04:17 What word does Cat want to use while playing Scrabble? Jul 07 14:04:18 Jozxyqk. He claims that it's a cat word for the noise you make when you gets your genitals trapped in a heavy object. http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Television/Red-Dwarf--Series-3-11349.html Jul 07 14:05:15 * lcuk found video of it o_O http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2u_DVkK1Rc Jul 07 14:06:13 tybollt, because half the time they're marked INVALID or WONTFIX, and the other half they're ignored. Jul 07 14:06:33 tybollt, the third half are only fixed on a version you can't upgrade to. Jul 07 14:06:51 i'm still wondering how people will deal with open roadmapping, as in, you can actually understand why a feature won't go in tomorrow's image Jul 07 14:07:28 err - what? We have that Jul 07 14:07:29 err Jul 07 14:07:31 nevermind Jul 07 14:07:34 I'm not awake Jul 07 14:07:39 I thought I was in #openstreetmap Jul 07 14:08:03 Stskeeps: Combined with the ability to force upgrades, I'd have no issues. Jul 07 14:08:12 I am however not a typical user. Jul 07 14:09:16 it seems I need to first fully charge the device before, so flashing is postponed Jul 07 14:16:25 GAN900: 'third half'... I like that ;) Jul 07 14:16:41 LOL Jul 07 14:16:43 tybollt, lol Jul 07 14:17:16 GAN900: yeah... that is kind of INCREDIBLY annoying... that the fixes are made to $RELEASETHATMAYORMAYNOTAPPEARINTHEFTURE Jul 07 14:18:20 Maybe I've gone crazy, but I found this in my twitter stream - "Canonical: Please remove your Thumb2 requirement for ARM Ubuntu Lucid and newer! We can't run that on our OMAP A8 N900!" Jul 07 14:18:32 lol what? OMAP3430 supports Thumb2 Jul 07 14:18:35 Termana: OMAP thumb is buggy Jul 07 14:18:46 how buggy? Jul 07 14:19:09 non-present workarounds required - or fundamentally irretrievably broken Jul 07 14:19:13 MohammadAG: I get this: GLIB WARNING ** libglade - unknown widget class 'GtkFileChooserDialog' Jul 07 14:19:29 ubuntu on the n900 Jul 07 14:19:32 I say... :) Jul 07 14:20:47 Stskeeps, buggy as in it doesn't work at all, buggy as in it crashes when thumb2 code is used? what? Jul 07 14:21:14 latter and it's disabled in kernel Jul 07 14:21:20 to my knowledge Jul 07 14:23:37 pain Jul 07 14:23:44 can probably enable it in kernel but it will be slow or something Jul 07 14:25:26 hmm, HildonFileChooserDialog is not even documented in maemo4 docs... Jul 07 14:25:36 Its lucky Debian doesn't do that thankfully. Don't know about other distros. Jul 07 14:31:03 hmm, wish my N900 had thermometer to measure the current room temperature Jul 07 14:31:30 tybollt, if only it actually weren't so depressing. Jul 07 14:31:30 Milo-: Heh, then you are in luck as it has one. Jul 07 14:31:37 lol Jul 07 14:31:41 as did the N810 Jul 07 14:32:07 X-Fade it does? Jul 07 14:32:26 Sure, multiple probably even. Jul 07 14:34:59 X-Fade, I don't think the thermometers that measure board temperature etc. is exactly what he's looking for ;) Jul 07 14:35:44 Termana: Well if the device is idle, it is probably close enough. Jul 07 14:35:58 Termana: And the touchscreen temperature one is quite ok. Jul 07 14:36:40 GAN900: agree Jul 07 14:36:41 d Jul 07 14:37:38 Milo- is there battery or cpu temprature ? but ok , it isn't room temprature .. use arduino + bluetooth for that ;) Jul 07 14:39:52 while waiting for the battery charge to complete to start upgrading to 1.2, wile in wifi zone, I am checking N900, and I found an option in update to download and update to Maemo 5 10.2010.19-1.003, which is 113.6 MB . what is this? should I go fo it? Jul 07 14:40:41 sure Jul 07 14:40:48 wait, what Jul 07 14:40:51 isn't that the same thing? Jul 07 14:42:42 that is 1.2 Jul 07 14:43:14 kerio, so I can just download 1.2 using N900 and upgrade it without connecting to the computer? Jul 07 14:43:20 yup Jul 07 14:43:24 it's awesome like that Jul 07 14:43:56 and no need to download and install the flasher?\ Jul 07 14:44:20 Unless you've done wierd stuff, and installed wierd stuff, for example. Jul 07 14:44:23 Then it won't update Jul 07 14:44:29 otherwise - it just updates over the air Jul 07 14:44:30 SpeedEvil: like what? Jul 07 14:44:48 for exmaple - some packages from extras-devel have broken upgrades Jul 07 14:44:53 SpeedEvil, it is a brand new one Jul 07 14:45:11 ah - then it should proceed with no problems Jul 07 14:48:32 well Jul 07 14:48:38 if it's brand new you might as well use the flasher Jul 07 14:49:09 OTA is nice if you have done, you know, things with it Jul 07 14:49:25 so you don't lose data Jul 07 14:51:31 where is '|' in the keyboard?!! Jul 07 14:51:57 depends Jul 07 14:51:58 smhar: it's symbols Jul 07 14:52:01 typically in the onscreen keyboard Jul 07 14:52:16 for me because of some quirk it's on Blue-EUR (Sym, C) Jul 07 14:52:19 smhar: remap the keyboard! Jul 07 14:52:28 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10354 Jul 07 14:52:28 Bug 10354: Symbol virtual keyboard inconsistent to access from hardware keyboard. Jul 07 14:52:46 i think installing the hebrew keymap breaks things such that i get PIPE instead of EUR from the HWK Jul 07 14:53:02 but that's a good thing for me, since i have no use for EUR (or GBP for that matter..) Jul 07 14:53:33 how to show the onsceen keyboard? Jul 07 14:53:38 fn+ctrl Jul 07 14:53:44 it's not the onscreen keyboard Jul 07 14:53:46 that one is different Jul 07 14:53:47 and crappy Jul 07 14:54:15 See the above description in the bug Jul 07 14:54:44 basically - you have to press blue, hold blue, press sym, release sym, release blue Jul 07 14:55:01 all four possible presses should work - but they don't Jul 07 14:55:34 SpeedEvil: hmm Jul 07 14:56:06 +fn -fn +sym -sym and +fn +sym -(fn and sym in no particular order) works Jul 07 14:56:37 +sym +blue -blue -sym does not work for me Jul 07 14:56:46 neither for me Jul 07 14:56:51 i thought that was voluntary Jul 07 14:57:03 so you could do ctrl+a "blue" key Jul 07 14:57:18 Most importantly - mashing the keys at the same time does not bring up the symbol keyb consistently Jul 07 14:57:23 as it's a race condition Jul 07 15:20:31 is there a maemo developer channel? Jul 07 15:21:15 all kinds of talk goes on in here Jul 07 15:21:25 #maemo-devel Jul 07 15:21:33 #maemo-ui Jul 07 15:21:40 oh wow :) Jul 07 15:22:45 kerio: seriously? *face palm* Jul 07 15:22:54 yes Jul 07 15:24:58 Heh Jul 07 15:25:06 well that was easy enough. now to get some answers Jul 07 15:43:29 anyone around here running aava? Jul 07 15:43:37 image Jul 07 16:10:15 has anyone been able to make an ftp push to their n900? Jul 07 16:25:07 X-Fade, ping? Jul 07 16:30:53 http://u.meelo.org/Powerball.jpg dang, managed to get a nice and clear picture with n900's camera \o/ Jul 07 16:32:43 Milo-: Oooh! Jul 07 16:32:48 Milo-: Another killer app! Jul 07 16:32:52 Virtual powerball Jul 07 16:32:54 :D Jul 07 16:32:56 hah! Jul 07 16:33:02 what a nice idea Jul 07 16:33:03 what is powerball? Ö.ö Jul 07 16:33:22 It's like a gyroscope with a self-winding mechanism Jul 07 16:33:28 SpeedEvil apple has announced that their future device will have a gyrometer Jul 07 16:33:40 so you can spin the living heck out of their iPhones Jul 07 16:34:00 mikki-kun powerball has a gyroscope inside it Jul 07 16:34:20 very powerful one indeed, when you spin it, it tries to stay 'up' Jul 07 16:34:30 i still don't get what you do with a powerball which has an inbuilt gyroscope built in Jul 07 16:34:32 and spinning it harder and faster makes it try even harder Jul 07 16:34:49 you spin it very quickly Jul 07 16:35:03 and it gets 'heavier' and heavier as the spinning speed builds up Jul 07 16:35:10 ahhh, i seem t get it Jul 07 16:35:14 i had once one of those Jul 07 16:35:23 mikki-kun: If you twist it, you can make it spin up Jul 07 16:35:24 didn't knew they were called powerball Jul 07 16:35:26 sort of Jul 07 16:35:58 and the faster it moves, the harder it gets to make it spin any faster :P Jul 07 16:36:08 and it becomes very difficult to hold on to Jul 07 16:36:14 has anyone been able to obex push something to their n900? Jul 07 16:47:59 http://img685.imageshack.us/i/20100707002w.jpg/ Jul 07 16:48:47 jacekowski: that's one hell of a car... i am sure it runs well after all those years Jul 07 16:49:44 well, it's there because gearbox have failed Jul 07 16:49:46 You can do a hell of a lot at home. Jul 07 16:49:59 Recasting a white-metal bushing is quite possible Jul 07 16:50:07 Making new ballraces - really not Jul 07 16:51:44 and apparently it's only one still existing Jul 07 16:51:47 in that configuration Jul 07 16:51:49 with that engine Jul 07 16:53:21 whoah... a relict from the time of dinosaurs then :o Jul 07 17:17:22 jacekowski: what car is that? Jul 07 17:17:27 ford t? Jul 07 17:17:30 nah Jul 07 17:17:32 that's british Jul 07 17:17:59 wolseley Jul 07 17:18:10 cheap knockoff brand Jul 07 17:18:15 of ford... Jul 07 17:18:16 :P Jul 07 17:18:26 year? Jul 07 17:18:34 1906 Jul 07 17:18:45 trip0: bullshit Jul 07 17:18:56 :P Jul 07 17:19:42 and registration mark on it is B2000 Jul 07 17:22:23 o/ Jul 07 17:22:31 "A French company is offering people the chance to get away from it all and be bound and gagged for a day. The company will abduct you without warning, and hold you prisoner for up to 10 hours. " Jul 07 17:22:57 * RST38h wonders if he can order this as a present for a few people Jul 07 17:22:58 rape included? Jul 07 17:23:06 they do not say Jul 07 17:23:47 RST38h: probably, ever heard of 'identity theft' Jul 07 17:49:05 is the autodisconnect app that everyone loves obsolete now? Jul 07 17:50:08 why? Jul 07 17:50:24 because when i try to installl it i get package incomatibilities Jul 07 17:50:39 i was wondering if some official maemo update came along and took its place Jul 07 17:50:49 or if my phone is screwey Jul 07 17:51:05 remove additional repositories and try again Jul 07 17:53:16 no dice, i removed extras development. still says conflict with application packages Jul 07 17:53:26 libqt4 stuff and Maemo 5 Jul 07 17:53:48 libqt4- opengl sql-sqlite sql svg network phonon Jul 07 17:55:14 my application catalogs are "nokia applications" "nokia system software updates" "ovi" and "maemo.org" Jul 07 17:55:38 wait maemo.org is an extra also Jul 07 17:55:49 i dont get why having extra repositories would cause packages to conflict Jul 07 17:55:57 Hi, does anybody knows hot to make a running dbus-daemon instance to re-read the policies and re-apply them, without requiring to restart the daemon Jul 07 17:56:16 ? Jul 07 17:56:47 heeey Jul 07 18:01:30 hm Jul 07 18:02:15 is there any free app available that will allow me to use the n900 as a wifi hotspot Jul 07 18:02:22 an0therb0x: mobilehotspot Jul 07 18:03:41 kerio, does it work? Jul 07 18:03:47 dunno Jul 07 18:03:48 never tried it Jul 07 18:03:49 last time i tried it didnt :( Jul 07 18:04:02 did you install kernel-power? Jul 07 18:04:18 i thought i did at the time... Jul 07 18:04:21 but i'm not sure Jul 07 18:04:29 now that i'm sure i have kernel-power, i should try again Jul 07 18:05:32 kerio: thanks i will try that out Jul 07 18:08:32 Hi, does anybody knows hot to make a running dbus-daemon instance to re-read the policies and re-apply them, without requiring to restart the daemon? Jul 07 18:08:57 what happens if you send it a HUP? Jul 07 18:09:57 HUP is the semi-standard signal, yes. Jul 07 18:16:17 GAN900, ;) its coming to something when even i cant open/file bugs Jul 07 18:20:07 netmon fails under 2g Jul 07 18:25:41 Germany for world cup! ##world-cup, DocScrutinizer you're free to join :P Jul 07 19:18:59 ok, I got last 10 minutes of a video file corrupted, is there any way to delete that last part and redowload it using wget -c ? Jul 07 19:19:55 if the server supports it... Jul 07 19:20:06 joppu: dd Jul 07 19:20:40 bleeter: it does, it's my own one Jul 07 19:21:21 deleting part of the file is the main issue Jul 07 19:22:05 I'm just ret reading dd manpage Jul 07 19:26:14 can someone actually find stuff by executing tracker-search on n900? Jul 07 19:26:25 what's tracker-search? Jul 07 19:26:38 it's a command line tool to search in local tracker database Jul 07 19:27:07 tracker-stats shows that yeah, tracker has tons of stuff indexed. and I can get e.g. id3 tags from tracker-info Jul 07 19:27:13 but tracker-search finds nothing Jul 07 19:30:27 whoa Jul 07 19:30:35 mediabox does portrait now? Jul 07 19:30:41 FINALLY Jul 07 19:30:51 haha. a portrait media player Jul 07 19:30:56 wooooooo! Jul 07 19:31:09 lol it had portrait for ages!! Jul 07 19:31:18 Macer, ukmp has had portrait for donkeys years Jul 07 19:31:28 i think konttori wrote it in kindergarden Jul 07 19:31:47 oh Jul 07 19:31:58 well. guess i was just out the loop Jul 07 19:32:15 spraining my wrist to control the built in one Jul 07 19:32:49 talking on the n900 while it is charging is awkward Jul 07 19:33:05 i think i might have to install an outlet in the ceiling Jul 07 19:34:18 Macer: use headset? Jul 07 19:35:16 or stand upside down? Jul 07 19:38:57 pwuh Jul 07 19:45:18 villev: no Jul 07 19:48:03 greetings maemo'ers, a quick questionnaire: Why has etc/bluetooth/main.conf disabled network, input, hal by default? could this be the reason why sixaxis controller won't connect? Jul 07 19:48:46 me1ne, did you try enabling it and finding out Jul 07 19:52:16 wait, so all that the bluetooth DUN package is doing is enabling "network"? Jul 07 19:52:22 i feel cheated ._. Jul 07 19:52:56 kerio, who said that? i just asked a sensible question based on what he had discovered Jul 07 19:53:39 lcuk: yeah but i have a strong feeling that it's just what it's doing Jul 07 19:54:58 wait, that's false Jul 07 19:54:59 yay Jul 07 19:55:09 lcuk, hmm? Jul 07 19:55:20 GAN900, tis ok, just MohammadAG51 being special ;) Jul 07 19:56:08 what's SHLVL? Jul 07 19:56:17 wnt to get the pad, gonna try and comment out that line Jul 07 19:56:44 lcuk, hmm? Jul 07 19:57:44 ooh MohammadAG|GER it now shows my name :P fancy that Jul 07 19:58:12 lcuk, I'm still against the wording of the bug :P Jul 07 19:58:26 then reword it! :p Jul 07 19:58:38 you reported it! Jul 07 19:58:41 omfg Jul 07 19:58:45 this double rainbow guy Jul 07 19:58:46 and you reproduced it Jul 07 19:59:01 NOOOO!!! Jul 07 19:59:05 http://www.nerdist.com/2010/07/biggest-rainbow-fan-on-earth/ Jul 07 19:59:07 lol you said so yourself! Jul 07 19:59:10 :) Jul 07 19:59:16 seriously. some people are just disturbed Jul 07 19:59:16 Goal for spain! Jul 07 19:59:23 don't talk to me for an hour Jul 07 20:01:13 * cehteh hopes for a silent night Jul 07 20:01:41 US still has 5 points Jul 07 20:01:42 ! Jul 07 20:01:46 GO USA! Jul 07 20:02:07 * MohammadAG|GER gets over it Jul 07 20:03:13 where were we? Jul 07 20:03:36 interesting to see packet injection from the N900 Jul 07 20:03:38 how do you give an app a screenshot on maemo downloads? Jul 07 20:03:39 lcuk, yeah, I reproduced it, but it's not an official rotation method, so it should be, imho, a feature request Jul 07 20:03:48 crashanddie, who what where how? Jul 07 20:03:53 crashanddie: "This title was licensed in Malaysia." Jul 07 20:04:03 luke-jr: sorry? Jul 07 20:04:36 MohammadAG|GER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXfGGOa-skA Jul 07 20:04:48 MohammadAG|GER: and a mac address changer too Jul 07 20:05:36 dd is going through this file byte by byte... Jul 07 20:06:03 this is taking forever even at 850Mhz Jul 07 20:06:13 crashanddie, any ideas on release dates? Jul 07 20:06:24 dd = IO, IO is slow even on 1200MHz Jul 07 20:06:24 crashanddie: Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 Jul 07 20:06:25 MohammadAG|GER: couple days, maybe a week and a few days Jul 07 20:06:36 luke-jr: wtf are you talking about? Jul 07 20:06:38 oh, I think that was for timeless_mbp Jul 07 20:06:40 XD Jul 07 20:06:57 crashanddie, suggestion, +q for luke-jr :P Jul 07 20:06:58 MohammadAG|GER: the beta will be released before BH Jul 07 20:07:03 BH? Jul 07 20:07:08 blackhat conference Jul 07 20:07:10 +q for MohammadAG|GER sounds better Jul 07 20:07:31 I think both would sound nice... silence. Jul 07 20:07:37 pfft Jul 07 20:07:39 just +m then Jul 07 20:07:41 luke-jr: what about tokyo magnitude 8.0? D: Jul 07 20:07:41 short and simple Jul 07 20:07:41 crashanddie, /part Jul 07 20:07:49 * timeless_mbp looks up Jul 07 20:07:49 :p Jul 07 20:07:59 joppu: we were investigating legit sources for it :p Jul 07 20:08:00 MohammadAG|GER: I can help you part if you're failing the IRC skills :) Jul 07 20:08:19 luke-jr: tokyo toshokan? Jul 07 20:08:19 crashanddie, demonstrate it on yourself first Jul 07 20:08:25 joppu: I said legit Jul 07 20:08:35 AFAIK TM8 hasn't been BSD/GPL/etc licensed Jul 07 20:09:27 joppu: anyhow, a few companies are selling a DVD with all of it for ~$20 Jul 07 20:09:49 so I emailed asking if it was actually a licensed copy-- which it appears to be Jul 07 20:10:17 well, if it hasn't been licensed, you probably won't weel that bad for torrenting it Jul 07 20:10:25 DVD with subs? Jul 07 20:10:28 it's not about feeling Jul 07 20:10:36 joppu: yeah, no idea on the sub quality though Jul 07 20:10:43 but for my purposes, I don't actually need subs ;) Jul 07 20:11:10 my purpose is two-fold: educating 3-5 year olds on Earthquakes and Japanese :) Jul 07 20:11:12 you comprehend moonspeak? Jul 07 20:11:24 oh Jul 07 20:12:13 and maybe death and hallucinations? dunno... Jul 07 20:12:17 that might be over their heads XD Jul 07 20:12:33 :D Jul 07 20:15:36 lcuk: n900 asks me to allow connection over and over. I have read about this issue on the boards, will do research there Jul 07 20:17:16 if i manage to find the page in that thread again, that is. Jul 07 20:20:11 :( Jul 07 20:21:41 luke-jr: did you see that disney is going to teach English to chinese children Jul 07 20:21:41 crashanddie, op please? Jul 07 20:21:53 MohammadAG: whatfor? Jul 07 20:21:55 their goal is to enable them to be better customers of classic disney products :) Jul 07 20:22:02 crashanddie, nothing kick-related Jul 07 20:22:29 then why? Jul 07 20:22:39 topic :( Jul 07 20:22:52 what? Jul 07 20:23:01 take out the last part, germany's out Jul 07 20:23:14 for crying out loud mate, this ain't #world-cup Jul 07 20:23:23 lol Jul 07 20:23:37 did the octopus get it right, though? Jul 07 20:23:41 it did Jul 07 20:23:45 crashanddie, it did Jul 07 20:24:01 the octopus said germany was going to lose against the south americans? Jul 07 20:24:11 it said spain will win Jul 07 20:24:19 the octopus has eaten hypnotoad Jul 07 20:24:34 We'll meet again spain!! Jul 07 20:24:39 * MohammadAG waits for 2014 Jul 07 20:24:46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX8lmn1tk4c Jul 07 20:26:36 HAHAHAH germany pwned Jul 07 20:26:42 -pure satisfaction- Jul 07 20:27:24 * MohammadAG traces tybollt's IP Jul 07 20:27:43 * MohammadAG books a ticket Jul 07 20:27:51 lcuk i have tried it, it keeps asking me to allow conn over and over Jul 07 20:28:07 hmm when postman arrives w/ package sent from "HAMAS" perhaps I should not receive it ;) Jul 07 20:28:18 MohammadAG: :D Jul 07 20:28:29 i think somebody on the forums had the sma problem Jul 07 20:28:44 tybollt, who sends a package from "HAMAS" Jul 07 20:29:12 tybollt ger played not like they did the last games Jul 07 20:30:45 MohammadAG: well ... :) Jul 07 20:31:01 tybollt, I'll send it as Nokia or something Jul 07 20:31:08 heh damn Jul 07 20:33:11 poor Germans :( Jul 07 20:33:27 no Jul 07 20:33:32 tybollt: yep :) Jul 07 20:33:35 tybollt: :D Jul 07 20:33:38 germans were getting awfully cocky Jul 07 20:33:42 bastards the lot of them Jul 07 20:34:01 and now when it came down to it... they were scared little kids Jul 07 20:34:06 tybollt: well, after 2 matches 4:x - you bet you'll get cocky :D Jul 07 20:34:37 zthey knew ver well who they were.facing Jul 07 20:34:51 and ger is still a young team Jul 07 20:35:30 spain otoh played great football Jul 07 20:35:51 could very well have ended 4:0 Jul 07 20:36:00 * MohammadAG agrees with crashanddie, off topic :P Jul 07 20:36:23 * tybollt agrees w/ MohammadAG - blow up tybollt Jul 07 20:47:40 hi Jul 07 20:48:16 is there anyone that can help me? Jul 07 20:51:44 my crystall ball is in repair, soory Jul 07 20:52:32 damn octopus stole it Jul 07 20:53:31 lmfao Jul 07 20:55:04 hi!! Jul 07 20:55:38 hi george_ Jul 07 20:55:53 are you here? XD Jul 07 20:56:35 no Jul 07 20:57:12 is there anyone that can help me? Jul 07 20:58:00 there maybe one Jul 07 20:58:14 ~ask Jul 07 20:58:15 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Jul 07 20:58:21 you? Jul 07 20:58:51 i have a problem with the conversation, with sms. Accidentally i have deleted a file (img.ext2), but i don't know what is, and i need of one hand.. i reflashed the device, but the problem still there is... have you got any knowledge to resolve? Jul 07 20:59:09 sorry for the bad english Jul 07 20:59:58 sorry i can't help you Jul 07 21:00:03 img.ext2 is probably the easy-debian image Jul 07 21:00:05 :( Jul 07 21:00:12 yes Jul 07 21:00:19 but i have 2 image Jul 07 21:00:36 the easy debian image it was delete Jul 07 21:01:01 and then i have this second image Jul 07 21:01:31 so what's the problem? Jul 07 21:01:33 what's happened? Jul 07 21:01:44 the problem is Jul 07 21:01:53 that when i open the conversation Jul 07 21:02:05 there isn't nothing Jul 07 21:02:12 but i have 2500 message Jul 07 21:02:20 and i can't see my message Jul 07 21:02:58 george_, sounds like you have a collection of things happened. Jul 07 21:03:05 img.ext2 is not a full filename Jul 07 21:03:17 and conversations has nothing to do with that Jul 07 21:03:24 i have reflashed the device Jul 07 21:03:25 you tell us how it lal happened Jul 07 21:03:34 now Jul 07 21:03:39 how did you delete stuff Jul 07 21:03:50 what is stuff? Jul 07 21:04:01 the stuff you are missing! Jul 07 21:04:42 lcuk, maybe it's a corrupted /home? Jul 07 21:05:00 and what can i do? Jul 07 21:05:01 no idea how to fsck that on maemo though Jul 07 21:05:17 george_, does everything else work Jul 07 21:05:23 do you have contacts left still Jul 07 21:06:17 what? Jul 07 21:06:48 george_, you say your conversations messages are missing. Jul 07 21:07:00 yes Jul 07 21:07:01 are there still contacts on your device Jul 07 21:07:06 yes Jul 07 21:07:14 there are all contacts Jul 07 21:07:39 and do all the other applications still work Jul 07 21:07:48 i have only this problem Jul 07 21:08:16 yes Jul 07 21:08:21 george_, i am merely trying to confirm what MohammadAG said about a corrupted home, it sounds like you have merely deleted files yourself potentially Jul 07 21:08:47 or browserd's crashing Jul 07 21:08:49 either way, the easiest way to restore your messages after a reflash would be to restore from a backup that you took prior to flashing Jul 07 21:09:12 (happens to me sometimes but can't reproduce it) Jul 07 21:09:12 thats possible too MohammadAG Jul 07 21:09:16 hmm Jul 07 21:09:27 not Jul 07 21:09:37 i reflash the device Jul 07 21:09:55 and i have made a backup Jul 07 21:10:14 did all the sms messages exist when you made the backup Jul 07 21:10:18 when i see the widget of conversation Jul 07 21:10:28 i see the number of messages Jul 07 21:10:33 hey, another easydebian update? Jul 07 21:10:34 what about the app of conversations Jul 07 21:10:41 it always rewrites my lxde configs :( Jul 07 21:12:24 advice? Jul 07 21:13:03 water flowers and give them plenty of sun Jul 07 21:13:30 what? Jul 07 21:14:34 i gave you some advice as you asked! all seriousness, restore from backup. you reflashed your system since it would be the most reasonable and confirmable way to get things back Jul 07 21:15:00 and to try fixing whatever borkened itself Jul 07 21:15:40 for the second time? Jul 07 21:16:46 george_, you never said you had restored the first time. when you restored the messages after flashing did the work at all Jul 07 21:17:02 or have they not worked since you reflashed Jul 07 21:17:11 * lcuk is getting hungry Jul 07 21:17:12 i have flashed and restored the messages Jul 07 21:17:50 i m sorry.... i can't speak very good english Jul 07 21:18:08 george_, ahh - after you restored them did they work at all Jul 07 21:18:57 and did you reflash your device because the messages were broken or because of the img.ext2 problem Jul 07 21:19:06 yes Jul 07 21:19:27 when i restored the messages the problem is still here Jul 07 21:21:10 george_, how did you delete the img.ext2 file? Jul 07 21:21:13 :( Jul 07 21:21:24 i don't know Jul 07 21:21:32 but is a system file? Jul 07 21:21:41 or a system file of easy debian? Jul 07 21:22:31 afaik its a debian file but i dont think its full name is img.ext2 Jul 07 21:22:58 can you look your device? Jul 07 21:23:05 if you find it? Jul 07 21:23:58 george_, where should it be Jul 07 21:24:20 what's the translation project of maemo called? Jul 07 21:24:28 i think in MyDocs Jul 07 21:24:37 but i don't sure Jul 07 21:25:08 crashanddie, the one on transifex? Jul 07 21:25:22 lcuk: I think it's like l19n Jul 07 21:25:22 george_, it would not be a system file in mydocs Jul 07 21:25:38 mmm Jul 07 21:25:43 l10n is the shorterened version of internationalisation Jul 07 21:25:51 ie generic Jul 07 21:25:52 i don't remember Jul 07 21:26:13 lcuk: ah Jul 07 21:26:13 or localisation or whatever it is Jul 07 21:26:16 * lcuk is drifting Jul 07 21:26:34 lcuk: ta Jul 07 21:26:55 lcuk, I don't quite get the forum... do I need to flash another kernel to enable sixaxis? Jul 07 21:26:55 can you look if you find it Jul 07 21:28:13 george_, i wont have it on my machine Jul 07 21:28:23 me1ne, it was just a suggestion based on what you said Jul 07 21:28:25 anyway, im off Jul 07 21:28:50 my brains are oozing out, gnite \o Jul 07 21:28:52 lcuk: i18n and l10n are two different things Jul 07 21:29:05 Wolfie, o_O Jul 07 21:29:11 see previous comment Jul 07 21:29:33 right Jul 07 21:29:53 but l10n isn't the shortened version internationalization, still Jul 07 21:30:26 but are you programmer? Jul 07 21:30:29 l10n is localisation and i18n is internationalisation? Jul 07 21:30:38 george_: me? Jul 07 21:30:51 lcuk: correct. and those two things aren't the same thing Jul 07 21:31:01 you or lcuk Jul 07 21:31:04 roger Wolfie ta for clarification Jul 07 21:31:37 crashanddie, ^^ Jul 07 21:31:48 i18n is the act of making a program support several languages. l10n is the act of actually translating the strings, making sure number conventions are used correctly, right monetary units are used, etc Jul 07 21:31:59 george_: i write code for a living, yeah Jul 07 21:32:14 yes? and can you help me? Jul 07 21:32:31 to put it concisely, i18n is putting placeholders in place, and l10n is filling the gaps Jul 07 21:32:50 i have a problem with the device Jul 07 21:32:52 george_: sorry, i don't know Maemo at all Jul 07 21:33:00 can someone teach infobot that please Jul 07 21:33:08 thats a nice way of describing it Jul 07 21:33:09 :( Jul 07 21:33:22 i guess wikipedia can explain this with more words Jul 07 21:33:31 (i mean the difference between i18n and l10n Jul 07 21:33:33 ) Jul 07 21:33:55 ~i18n is i18n is the act of making a program support several languages. l10n is the act of actually translating the strings, making sure number conventions are used correctly, right monetary units are used. To put it concisely, i18n is putting placeholders in place, and l10n is filling the gaps. Jul 07 21:33:56 crashanddie: what are you talking about? Jul 07 21:34:14 ~i18n is i18n is the act of making a program support several languages. l10n is the act of actually translating the strings, making sure number conventions are used correctly, right monetary units are used. To put it concisely, i18n is putting placeholders in place, and l10n is filling the gaps. Jul 07 21:34:15 crashanddie: what are you talking about? Jul 07 21:34:19 wtf Jul 07 21:34:21 infobot: status Jul 07 21:34:21 Since Sat Jul 3 09:18:43 2010, there have been 12 modifications, 420 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 135 commands. I have been awake for 4d 12h 15m 38s this session, and currently reference 117126 factoids. I'm using about 21184 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 11158.82/455.31 child 0.18/0.04 Jul 07 21:34:32 ~i18n Jul 07 21:34:33 from memory, i18n is an abbreviation for internationalisation, which is a really long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "I, then 18 more letters, then N", get it? Jul 07 21:34:45 :D Jul 07 21:34:52 " Internationalization is the process of designing a software application so that it can be adapted to various languages and regions without engineering changes. Localization is the process of adapting internationalized software for a specific region or language by adding locale-specific components and translating text." says wikipedia Jul 07 21:34:53 ~l10n Jul 07 21:34:54 it has been said that l10n is an abbreviation for localisation, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "L, then 10 more letters, then N", get it? Jul 07 21:35:07 bye bye Jul 07 21:35:19 lcuk: seems those facts are locked Jul 07 21:44:51 aw guys, easy debian doesn't follow my custom keymap :( Jul 07 21:48:47 wtf? Jul 07 21:49:08 Someone 'complained about my app : "Shopper does not support handwriting" Jul 07 21:49:10 heh Jul 07 21:49:59 lbt :) Jul 07 21:50:53 * lbt just gapes in disbelief Jul 07 21:51:14 there's also another comment: "Portrait mode would be also very usefull" Jul 07 21:51:18 lbt graffiti input modes on palms Jul 07 21:51:26 right under the portrait screenshot... Jul 07 21:51:33 hongkong n900 has HWR Jul 07 21:51:37 cellwriter is available Jul 07 21:51:41 :D Jul 07 21:53:25 hwr? Jul 07 21:54:41 lcuk: It made it to stable... http://maemo.org/downloads/product/38abbb6c895211dfa8654f5f9cb215ce15ce/ Jul 07 21:55:37 wah00t Jul 07 21:55:42 congrats lbt Jul 07 21:55:52 :) Jul 07 21:55:56 :D kickass lbt Jul 07 21:55:58 nice Jul 07 21:56:10 no handwriting though! Jul 07 21:56:12 the comments are umm Jul 07 21:56:20 to be fair, you do mention scribbling Jul 07 21:56:25 and no auto-save if you yank the battery or stamp on your phone! Jul 07 21:56:33 WHY NOT! Jul 07 21:57:03 * lbt sobs Jul 07 21:57:06 I tried Jul 07 21:57:08 so harfd Jul 07 21:57:09 hi, what is the kernel i should be using now that has the iptables modules says power-kernel is going to be removed? Jul 07 21:57:28 * lcuk navigates to the wine and chees list Jul 07 21:57:31 cheese Jul 07 22:00:03 right... time to go Jul 07 22:00:07 'night all Jul 07 22:01:00 does debian have some sort of user monitoring tool? Jul 07 22:01:08 like something ncurses that shows who is online and any other information? Jul 07 22:01:11 other than w and who? Jul 07 22:02:35 I don't know, but w and who only shows people who register through wtmp. If you look at your n900, "who" doesn't show you :/ Jul 07 22:02:39 so they're not ideal tools anyway Jul 07 22:04:12 there's a 'whowatch' on the repositories Jul 07 22:22:09 lcuk: d'you see ma new bike? Jul 07 22:22:48 125 with bazzin led long exposures? Jul 07 22:22:58 lcuk: aye Jul 07 22:23:11 indeedy - is cool! Jul 07 22:24:10 hey guys what is the best way to find services that are running in the background and not needed? Jul 07 22:24:23 ps Jul 07 22:24:24 top Jul 07 22:24:26 powertop Jul 07 22:24:29 rm Jul 07 22:24:34 Hi everyone Jul 07 22:24:40 What is new in the Maemo community today? Jul 07 22:27:45 nothing, I'm afraid Jul 07 22:28:20 what? there's a custom ringtone daemon we just released Jul 07 22:28:28 that's pretty cool Jul 07 22:28:30 well, except for packet injection and mac address changing for the N900 Jul 07 22:28:40 yeah but also.... Jul 07 22:28:42 custom ringtones! Jul 07 22:28:51 Oh, custom ringtones daemon Jul 07 22:28:59 Hopefully already in the extras repositories? Jul 07 22:29:18 oh wait... he didn't release it yet Jul 07 22:29:30 it's neeeearly ready :D Jul 07 22:29:36 Ok, I hope to see it soon. Jul 07 22:29:59 I hope now when I check into the maemo.org and see what is new I hope to see something newer than the OMWeather Russian thingie that has been there for 2 days now Jul 07 22:30:14 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 07 22:30:23 nite trem Jul 07 22:30:26 watch http://planet.collabora.co.uk/ :) Jul 07 22:39:21 what is a sweet dream? i only get sweat dreems Jul 07 22:40:45 lol Jul 07 22:40:48 and ew Jul 07 22:58:23 Gotta ask one quick question Jul 07 22:58:45 Once I enter the PIN code when the device is booting up I can not enter a wrong PIN code, correct? Jul 07 22:59:03 What happens when I press the "Skip over" and do not enter the PIN code? Jul 07 22:59:40 Is it the correct PIN code that eventually gives the signal strength and 2G/3G sign? Jul 07 23:00:47 I've never used the pin functionality Jul 07 23:01:51 Proteous: you have it automatically to start up without asking PIN? Jul 07 23:02:15 yes Jul 07 23:02:47 DrGrov: turn off the sim pin if you don't want it Jul 07 23:02:55 asj: ok Jul 07 23:03:33 No, I was just wondering. I entered the PIN and it displayed that PIN entered correct but I still wonder if I do enter the PIN code wrong or skip the PIN code enter then I will not have any signal strength? Jul 07 23:03:51 hi, I have a n810 that I'd like to reflash to the latest diablo image. Is there a good way to also flash /home ? Jul 07 23:03:55 DrGrov: try it 3 times and let us know :) Jul 07 23:04:11 Yes you will not have signal with wrong or skipped pin Jul 07 23:05:17 ShadowJK: thanks for clearing that up for me. i know that i need to enter pin to get signal but i was curious to know whether it is possible to afterwards upon boot to re-enter the pin code if done the skipped part at boot up. Jul 07 23:05:47 I've managed to do that Jul 07 23:05:51 you have? Jul 07 23:05:52 do tell Jul 07 23:05:55 but I don't remember how Jul 07 23:06:13 I am merely wondering if I really forget to enter the pin but eventually need phone capability later on then it would be great to have it. Jul 07 23:06:46 I know that the "Offline" mode is switching off all signal activity and thus loosing phone capability but that does require the PIN code to be entered upon boot. Jul 07 23:06:55 I probably gpoked around in /sys to manually power up the modem in reset state and then release the reset, and maemo just popped up the pin dialog Jul 07 23:07:15 But there might be pin code entry in ssettings-phone perhaps Jul 07 23:07:45 That would be good to have as default eventually thus making a boot unnecessary. Jul 07 23:08:04 merp Jul 07 23:09:32 Or perhaps that is plain unnecessary :D Jul 07 23:09:48 I do not know, it is just an idea I've developed the last few days. Jul 07 23:12:26 there's a cellular modem control widget/whatever in extras Jul 07 23:12:57 anyone got any ideas on the best way to wipe /home upon a reflash of a n810? Jul 07 23:20:46 ShadowJK: ok, will check that out. Jul 07 23:22:32 hhoffman, I'd think a reflash wipes /home on n810? Jul 07 23:23:43 hmm, ok. maybe the docs are just wrong. I haven't actually done it yet so I'm not sure but here's what the wiki says: "So basically flashing a rootfs fiasco image will keep your /home/user and MyDocs data (first boot will wipe /home/opt though)." Jul 07 23:24:16 which seems kinda backward to me, since I'd think with a re-flash you'd want a default install Jul 07 23:24:21 This is true for maemo5 and N900 Jul 07 23:24:48 which is true? wipe of home or no wipe? Jul 07 23:25:09 on N810, /home is on rootfs Jul 07 23:25:13 eff it, I guess I'm gonna just try Jul 07 23:25:15 ah! ok Jul 07 23:25:19 that I didn't realize Jul 07 23:25:26 so the wiki is updated for the n900 Jul 07 23:25:30 thx! :-D Jul 07 23:26:46 another question... the development vmware image seems to list diablo/freemantle but I thought maemo 4.x (diablo) wasn't compatible with maemo 5.x (freemantle)? Jul 07 23:35:51 sweet, it reflashed everything. thanks again! time for a reboot Jul 07 23:49:56 * trip0 cries in anger at the apparent lack of support to send files via bluetooth to the n900 Jul 07 23:50:16 hey, we just got sending files with bluetooth in an update ;) Jul 07 23:50:21 as in, from n900 Jul 07 23:50:33 yeah Jul 07 23:50:52 but not the other way around :( Jul 07 23:51:48 hmm Jul 07 23:51:52 Speedevil? Jul 07 23:52:14 trip0: yeah, I noticed that recently Jul 07 23:52:31 trip0: ? Jul 07 23:53:08 n900evil, just noticed that you aren't your normal nick... Jul 07 23:53:09 even 1.0 can receive, iirc Jul 07 23:53:12 hmm, what custom ringtone daemon? Jul 07 23:53:19 ah Jul 07 23:53:47 my dsl is broken Jul 07 23:54:38 ShadowJK: hmm? Jul 07 23:54:46 * n900evil wishes he had the energy to try to gekt fixed, or to work out why 3g tether has stopped working Jul 07 23:54:46 ShadowJK: how? Jul 07 23:54:50 ShadowJK, it's failing for me here Jul 07 23:55:06 google shows that there are lots who've tried and failed as well Jul 07 23:55:48 there's even a thread where a user reports the problem, and sombody responds with the suggestion to use scp Jul 07 23:56:40 scp? Jul 07 23:56:46 most phones don't support scp Jul 07 23:57:28 n900 does Jul 07 23:57:32 but that doesn't help Jul 07 23:57:35 nope Jul 07 23:57:42 *both* ends need to support scp to make it useful Jul 07 23:58:19 i'm trying to test my meego bluetooth app Jul 07 23:58:30 i think my lappy also has bt... Jul 07 23:58:31 i'll try that Jul 08 00:18:56 I've been trying to run libfprint on my n810, but it can't start the device as it displays the following error: "[dev_init] interface claim failed". Searching about this issue, I've got this: "The one problem I ran into when using fprint was that I could not run fprint_demo without sudo." So my question is: if I get sudo through ssh, would that be enough? I'm trying it but it's not working. Jul 08 00:20:54 Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but iirc it "just worked" for me ... Jul 08 00:21:28 (re bluetooth receive) Jul 08 00:22:20 rafaelbrandao, install rootsh from Maemo.org Extras, sudo gainroot, then try Jul 08 00:24:13 ShadowJK, just tried it... but got the same error. :\ Jul 08 00:25:48 no idea then :) Jul 08 00:26:47 yup, that's me. but thanks :) Jul 08 00:28:04 is anyone running syncevolution on the n810? It keeps segfaulting for me. And is there a repo for syncevolution > 1.x Jul 08 00:29:16 so long gents and gentles, i was a virgin, but you were just rough enough Jul 08 00:29:32 wtf Jul 08 00:30:00 lol Jul 08 01:00:37 RST38h, it only took a couple of years, but you finally got me hooked on The SCP Foundation Jul 08 01:01:48 I was able to compile the NeHe SDL examples in scratchbox, but when I try to run ./lesson06 on my device I get: Permission Denied. sudo gainroot and chmod 755 didn't help Jul 08 01:33:31 I've just made the same test on ubuntu with libfprint and when I'm not sudo, the same error happens when I try to execute it as sudo on my n810. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 08 02:59:57 2010