**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 08 02:59:57 2010 Jul 08 03:38:30 hey all Jul 08 03:39:13 i have this 248kb maemo 5 update showing in the ota update Jul 08 03:39:22 its very small system update Jul 08 03:39:37 cudnt find anything about it on the net Jul 08 03:42:34 well...what is it called? Jul 08 04:01:44 is there a tutorial on using mappero to plot a cycle route? Jul 08 04:03:19 got it, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=720996&postcount=4, never mind Jul 08 04:05:58 oh this isn't quite it? Jul 08 04:07:24 I want to use google cycling Jul 08 04:14:33 so it's this http://www.elsewhere.org/journal/gmaptogpx/ Jul 08 04:14:52 fair enough Jul 08 04:23:00 hi Jul 08 04:23:02 hi, Jul 08 04:23:45 i have installed maemo 5 on 10.04 using the python script Jul 08 04:24:31 hm, is is possible to create one-click .install files that work together with personal repositories ? Jul 08 04:24:35 but when i try opening it appears in the task barbut does not open Jul 08 04:25:53 i get the loading icon ...but does not open....What may be the cause?? Jul 08 04:31:53 actually I got my answer : yes, and another hint : in .install files, catalogues are separated by ";", not spaces Jul 08 05:22:22 Macer, you double agent you! Jul 08 05:22:49 :P Jul 08 05:23:22 ebay: "100% NEW San Disk 32GB 32G microSD micro SD SDHC" --- US $20.88 --- is it fake/counterfeit? Jul 08 05:23:43 get it! Jul 08 05:24:32 pronto, you obviously take the "jump right in" rather than cautious approach :P Jul 08 05:24:46 :D Jul 08 05:24:48 Isn't jumping from a cliff danger - "Jump right off!" Jul 08 05:24:53 dangerous* Jul 08 05:25:24 do it! Jul 08 05:30:24 fake Jul 08 05:30:29 (too cheap) Jul 08 05:33:24 Moo ShadowJK Jul 08 05:33:49 hello Jul 08 05:33:57 moo Jul 08 05:34:26 Hello cows Jul 08 05:34:33 koo koo Jul 08 05:40:32 pronto, Termana ShadowJK thanks Jul 08 05:40:39 :D Jul 08 05:42:06 huh? Jul 08 05:42:23 Termana: i have a friend who had his G1 break Jul 08 05:42:33 i had mine lying around from the before time when i didn't have an n900 ;) Jul 08 05:42:52 figured i'd update cyanogen on it since i took out the SD and it is screwed now haha Jul 08 05:43:47 hopefully this works right now. plus it woud be interesting to see what the hell the G1 can do as far as an android 2.x install can do Jul 08 05:43:58 i was still running 1.6 :) Jul 08 05:44:40 you have to love how it takes a billion years to restart after wiping the cache and factory wiping it Jul 08 05:47:39 have anyone made progress reverting to the standard PR 1.1.1 virtual keyboard? Jul 08 06:42:50 Good morning :) Jul 08 06:43:25 morning Jul 08 06:43:43 okay, it's not monday. Good morning :) Jul 08 06:58:56 sandst1, only mondays includes good mornings? :D Jul 08 06:59:07 sandst1, and other days the mornings just sucks? :D Jul 08 07:00:24 D-Iivil_Work: No, the other way around ^^ Jul 08 07:00:47 sandst1, makes more sense that way :P Jul 08 07:01:06 yup :) Jul 08 07:05:12 anybody here using an ssl freenode server? Jul 08 07:23:52 Macer: i do, sometimes Jul 08 07:24:39 just curious Jul 08 07:24:46 i just set up the whole irssi automatic thing Jul 08 07:25:04 with ssl servers .. for those days i need to send cc information and my ssn over irc Jul 08 07:25:07 and what not :) Jul 08 07:25:15 i was just curious if s2s was encrypted Jul 08 07:25:22 if not.. what is the point? Jul 08 07:25:49 well. i suppose i could see you not wanting your workplace admin seeing what you are talking about in #findunderagegirls Jul 08 07:28:19 Macer: it's not Jul 08 07:28:21 Macer: use fish Jul 08 07:28:33 Macer: something like that Jul 08 07:28:49 +OK r0wPR.dPZoe1fDCYl1rmsA6. Jul 08 07:29:12 +OK xuSp9.9XLc90ktqG20fQlgy0tGPk2/Urpi61 Jul 08 07:29:31 +OK FcjSw18I8IY.yoGnj/EUGqM/l.l810XheZn/KuJo91Bdffx0iYsco/IansC126GxY1xJj721jRyip/fw6521ZKv1X1u.4tj/ Jul 08 07:31:42 did any one try synergy on n900 ? Jul 08 07:31:57 * timeless_mbp is sure someone did Jul 08 07:32:46 yeah i found some topics in forum Jul 08 07:33:09 but they say that is not stable... maybe something changed Jul 08 07:36:11 and maybe there is some soft to control amarok via n900 ? Jul 08 07:36:26 i mean amarok runing in other box Jul 08 07:39:05 +OK lao2F0M1Po6.E5WKr0q93ai0hVRqA.5voFT/ Jul 08 07:39:24 +OK McHi9./5UV9.X2fgM1rBVqQ. Jul 08 07:39:30 +OK 6O51W/fguHd0pXtTi/BpTCs/raJiI/YiJ.m.3BTP81bAW0x.kzz9j11HjyI0 Jul 08 07:39:35 +OK 8fhb0.frKGe.SzEM5.EjHzb/sOq0d0C1N6x.KNqQT1CKyMW1 Jul 08 07:39:42 +OK pxRbW0vZNPP0FRyVb.8yqeU0knVrm.WrGXF0jV/uE/ZThyn.0Kisa/uof0X1 Jul 08 07:39:48 sntop it homie use pastebin lk Jul 08 07:39:51 <_0x47> Anyone knows why ESbox wouldn't use the -D flags in my Makefile? Example: -DDATA_DIR=\"$(pkgdatadir)\" gives me ../../global.h #error DATA_DIR undefined. I'm wondering if I'd have to define it another way as this was used for dpkg-buildpackage before. Jul 08 07:42:11 jacekowski: heh Jul 08 07:42:25 was just more so curious if s2s connections were encrypted Jul 08 07:48:47 jacekowski: please use pastebin services like everyone els Jul 08 07:48:48 e Jul 08 07:49:04 +OK SkIDW1bu.hV.gCN.H1Ry0GA1x3UtW0MYIgX/ Jul 08 07:53:31 woot i just got my hidden host set :) Jul 08 07:53:46 PhonicUK: good, now we can ban you without any problem then. Jul 08 07:53:51 :P Jul 08 07:53:51 lol Jul 08 07:54:24 pdpc supporter :) Jul 08 07:54:49 ey guys.. anyone have a good list of debug steps to figure out why my N900 battery is draining after 3-4 hours of late? Jul 08 07:55:19 Izzeh, get Conky and see if anything is eating CPU time Jul 08 07:55:28 its not :( Jul 08 07:55:31 and BatteryGraph Jul 08 07:55:36 and if it is... its too small to make the top list Jul 08 07:55:48 Macer: well, that was irc encryption Jul 08 07:55:53 Battery Graph just has a very steep decline... with vertical sections at points x.x Jul 08 07:55:59 Macer: it was supposed to be one line but it worked out sort of more Jul 08 07:56:06 weird Jul 08 07:56:19 no correlation to CPU usage either Jul 08 07:56:20 maybe it needs a deep charge Jul 08 07:56:23 which is whats really screwing me over Jul 08 07:56:42 well I found on a reboot I did earlier today.. it wenty from 40% to 5% Jul 08 07:56:50 that screams battery issues if anything I think Jul 08 07:57:06 also after full nights charge, 20 mins usage saw it at 55% Jul 08 07:57:09 are you using R&D mode? Jul 08 07:57:33 was at one point.. not now though Jul 08 07:57:51 and does conky show the cpu speed dropping when idle? Jul 08 07:58:01 yeah it idles at 500 as expected Jul 08 07:58:10 idle is 250 Jul 08 07:58:17 not with my OC Jul 08 07:58:21 ah Jul 08 07:58:34 disable the OC? :p Jul 08 07:58:38 and that hasn't changed in the last week... and I'd get 18 hours then Jul 08 07:58:52 hmm Jul 08 07:59:05 got a spare battery? Jul 08 07:59:08 nope Jul 08 07:59:09 lol Jul 08 07:59:33 id do a drain until it dies and a 48hr charge Jul 08 07:59:42 kk will do Jul 08 07:59:52 it went flat driving home from work.. and hasn't come off charge since Jul 08 07:59:58 what OC you running at? Jul 08 08:00:00 so I won't move it for a day or so Jul 08 08:00:05 500-800 Jul 08 08:00:10 righto Jul 08 08:00:11 ULV Jul 08 08:00:17 k Jul 08 08:00:23 worth it? Jul 08 08:00:36 yep Jul 08 08:00:58 specially given the N64 emu and having almost beat Super Mario 64 :P Jul 08 08:00:59 i wish we had a decent PSX emu Jul 08 08:01:11 its looking more and more possible... Jul 08 08:01:12 ooooh what n64 emu? Jul 08 08:01:16 I recommend purchasing some of these http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22691 , I keep one in my pocket at all times. Jul 08 08:01:16 ari64? Jul 08 08:01:29 linky? Jul 08 08:01:32 Pandora almost has an opengl ES working version of PSX Jul 08 08:01:41 yah ive seen Jul 08 08:01:50 brb getting off bus Jul 08 08:01:52 lol my guide for it has been on the top of TMO games section for 2 weeks :P Jul 08 08:02:16 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57647 Jul 08 08:02:24 I'd get something like portable usb charger, like dc-11.. but dc-11 hsa got puny battery.. there's this other third party one which will roughly give you almost 3 times worth of recharge in one hit, 2 and a bit on maemo Jul 08 08:02:36 i had a pandora preorder, cancelled not long after getting my n900 Jul 08 08:02:57 brb Jul 08 08:03:14 I might consider a spare battery later.. but it doesnt exactly resolve the issue of it draining in 3-4 hours all of a sudden Jul 08 08:03:28 what else could kill battery power other than CPU? Jul 08 08:04:15 morn achipa Jul 08 08:04:38 o/ morn Stskeeps Jul 08 08:04:46 my idea wasn't exactly a spare battery :) I've taken out and reinserted my n900 a few times and have noticed that with only a few seconds worth of no battery, n900 wants you to reconfirm locale settings Jul 08 08:05:29 psycho_oreos: i am pissed there's a huge closed source time framework for synchronising time and so on in maemo.. Jul 08 08:05:35 and it asks for the time on bootup Jul 08 08:05:35 ! Jul 08 08:07:39 Stskeeps, that's probably the joy of having spare battery.. I was at one point very serious of considering of buying one but saw on nokia website they had dc-11 which keeps your n900 alive and charging. I bought it but found out on another site there's this third party one which offers 3x charge, was pissed off but oh well Jul 08 08:08:13 izzeh, constant io access can drain power without raising cpu usage Jul 08 08:08:26 spare battery is a must if you're a road warrior and use the cellular radio... Jul 08 08:09:04 or a car charger Jul 08 08:09:21 though spare battery requires you to swap the batteries :) dc-11 or this Proporta USB TurboCharger 3400 won't require those un-necessary steps Jul 08 08:09:28 yeah, that too. Not that common on buses, trains or airplanes, tho :) Jul 08 08:09:55 yeah I got a car charger but its for old n95, bought an adapter for it so I can use it with n900 Jul 08 08:10:27 i should get a proper usb car charger, the adaptor i use is the pin to usb.. and it gets rather hot Jul 08 08:10:46 is that the one by nokia? and the charger? Jul 08 08:10:47 Stskeeps: my gripe with the car charger concept is that the usb port is on the LEFT so no matter where I put it it has to either pull on the port or the N900 be upside down Jul 08 08:11:14 yeah Jul 08 08:11:16 (if you're the driver, that is) Jul 08 08:11:25 i like sygic being able to rotate in that case :P Jul 08 08:12:11 lucky for me lol, my car is right hand drive, so I can have the charger plugged in and have cable running straight to my phone without having to loop around something like steering column for example Jul 08 08:12:30 err steering wheel Jul 08 08:12:53 achipa: well, not if you're in the UK :) Jul 08 08:12:57 achipa: or on a bike :) Jul 08 08:13:07 whatever that thing is that sits between the steering wheel and the centre console Jul 08 08:13:22 psycho_oreos: dashboard? Jul 08 08:13:57 on a bike you don't have a charger unless you have some weird hack of the faster you pedal, the more power is then generated to power whatever devices tickles you fancy in which this case is n900 Jul 08 08:14:18 crashanddie: and india and japan and aus and 1/3 of the world in total, yes, but that's no consolation for having to swap batteries every ~6 hours :) Jul 08 08:14:37 crashanddie, no, its kinda like a riser and has those levers for various functions like windshield wipers, lights, cruise control, etc Jul 08 08:14:38 achipa: and south africa, and japan Jul 08 08:14:58 psycho_oreos: oh, wiper control? Jul 08 08:15:06 psycho_oreos: one of the sticks that comes out, anyway Jul 08 08:15:20 crashanddie: I did say japan and I'll just shove .za into the 1/3 of the world :) Jul 08 08:15:42 psycho_oreos: actually, you don't need to go very fast Jul 08 08:15:43 http://gdgt.com/discuss/maemo-vs-android-what-makes-3nu/ Jul 08 08:15:48 wow. what a load of crap. Jul 08 08:15:49 :) Jul 08 08:16:00 crashanddie, no, its like the hub in which those levers and steering wheel sticks out of.. for left hand drive cars, you guys probably have to loop the cable of the car charger around that little riser thing so that you can plug it on the left I suppose lol Jul 08 08:16:02 crashanddie: it's all Napoleon's fault anyway :) Jul 08 08:16:02 psycho_oreos: and I was more talking of a motorbike :) Jul 08 08:16:20 crashanddie, well that's different :) I dunno about motorbikes, never owned one :D Jul 08 08:16:57 psycho_oreos: and if you're into push bikes, definitely look into hub-mounted dynamos Jul 08 08:17:25 crashanddie, stuff that :D I'm on a transport with 4 wheels and a roof to boot ;) Jul 08 08:17:53 psycho_oreos: I built my own light with 2 quad core LEDs + one high-beam LED, connected to the front wheel in-hub dynamo, and I have cars signalling me to go into low-beam Jul 08 08:18:00 (which I can, with a small click) Jul 08 08:18:41 lol Jul 08 08:19:11 crashanddie, I've got one of those small six SMD LED as parkers, normal headlights on my car Jul 08 08:19:26 audi? Jul 08 08:19:58 no.. those small six SMD LED lights are aftermarket, almost custom made.. I think its a T10 wedge off my memory Jul 08 08:20:33 http://www.allproducts.com/manufacture100/ledinside/product3.jpg Jul 08 08:20:40 that's not a LED, that's a fucking HAND GRENADE Jul 08 08:20:41 not very bright but looks nice, that's about it Jul 08 08:21:46 haha, I have something similar to that for my rear lights, they lit up real well, I'm sure those drivers behind me seeing them light up when I either signal, brake or reverse will clearly see it :D Jul 08 08:22:03 I need to lower the high-beam on my (motor) bike a bit though, if I have a passenger and accelerate, the beam disappears from the ground, and I can barely see anything Jul 08 08:22:04 but they're not what I'm talking about.. *finds that link* Jul 08 08:22:29 psycho_oreos: watch out, there's a max luminary output your car is allowed to have Jul 08 08:22:53 crashanddie, you mean by law or for safety purposes? Jul 08 08:23:04 well, both Jul 08 08:23:09 or actually that's kinda redundant lol, what I said Jul 08 08:23:11 by law for safety :P Jul 08 08:23:12 Sorry Phonic I was grabbing some food, so any way I can actually test to see if something is draining power and not using CPU? Jul 08 08:23:12 ahh yeah figures lol Jul 08 08:23:23 you mean to not blind other drivers? :D Jul 08 08:23:28 psycho_oreos: exactly Jul 08 08:23:33 psycho_oreos: it's like the mist lamp Jul 08 08:23:42 you can use the front ones, but not the rear ones Jul 08 08:23:51 mist lamp? sounds like fog lights Jul 08 08:24:01 ahh yeah same diff Jul 08 08:24:08 psycho_oreos: oh right, sorry, getting confused between languages Jul 08 08:24:13 by law here, that's forbidden I think on normal rules Jul 08 08:24:17 mist lamp is dutch, lol Jul 08 08:24:23 crashanddie, its funny but meh same thing I suppose :) Jul 08 08:24:39 err normal roads, not normal rules Jul 08 08:25:15 well, the english do use the word mist, and also the world lamp, I figured it'd be OK :P Jul 08 08:25:17 * psycho_oreos hasn't been pulled over for max luminosity with rear lights.. or yet .. -_- Jul 08 08:25:34 well its close enough, fog is basically another word for mist lol Jul 08 08:25:37 I think they just flash you a couple of times until you take it off, and then be done with it Jul 08 08:25:57 They've got better things to do that stop people who are "a bit bright" Jul 08 08:26:00 haven't had that happening either Jul 08 08:26:07 lol Jul 08 08:26:11 well, I guess they wouldn't be stopping a lot of people in Scotland :P Jul 08 08:26:33 quite the contrary... "GOOOOO GET OFF, JUST FUCKEN GOOOOO" Jul 08 08:26:37 lots of cops here will book you for anything Jul 08 08:27:14 psycho_oreos: I got done (in France) for riding a pushbike in a bus lane, 90 euros. Jul 08 08:27:16 it just depends on how lucky you are, with a really sh*tty one that had a bad day will pull almost anyone over Jul 08 08:27:25 ouch Jul 08 08:27:31 at 11PM, when there are no more busses running. Jul 08 08:27:52 try radar guns pointed at push bike users Jul 08 08:28:03 yeah, heard about that in Bristol or something Jul 08 08:28:04 book you for speeding on a bicycle Jul 08 08:28:16 where you had the cops hiding behind a shed on the beachside Jul 08 08:28:22 its more of a reality here in Australia Jul 08 08:28:28 psycho_oreos: you in Oz? Jul 08 08:28:31 yup Jul 08 08:28:32 whereabouts? Jul 08 08:28:37 Brisvegas Jul 08 08:28:37 I was in Brissie for a few months Jul 08 08:28:41 lol Jul 08 08:28:49 left about 2 months ago Jul 08 08:28:54 I'm on the slightly more south side of brissy Jul 08 08:29:08 ah ok, I was just on the northern edge of the CBD Jul 08 08:29:17 yeah I wouldn't have had my maemo then :) it only came to brissy few weeks ago Jul 08 08:29:17 Spring Hill, all that Jul 08 08:29:24 ahh Jul 08 08:29:32 I saw a couple of guys with an N900 in the streets Jul 08 08:29:48 yeah they would have either purchased it from somewhere or off ebay Jul 08 08:29:53 crashanddie: probably qt guys :P Jul 08 08:29:57 I got mine on contract with a provider that provided it Jul 08 08:29:58 Stskeeps: that too Jul 08 08:30:01 or that probably Jul 08 08:30:12 well, one of the guys I talked to didn't work at Qt Jul 08 08:30:31 he worked for... psycho_oreos what's that dodgy company that uses the Irish guy for their ads? Jul 08 08:30:42 or is he scottish? Can't remember Jul 08 08:30:45 Irish guy? hmm Jul 08 08:30:45 crashanddie, insurance company? Jul 08 08:30:52 no, bank I think Jul 08 08:31:10 oh wait that sounds a little vaguely familiar Jul 08 08:31:14 ING Direct? Jul 08 08:31:18 psycho_oreos: "They want me to peeeeee (pay) for them keeping my money? OUTRAGEOUS" Jul 08 08:31:28 psycho_oreos, I think you hit the nail Jul 08 08:31:34 that old guy with long hairs, almost like einstein? :) Jul 08 08:31:37 yeah Jul 08 08:31:49 ahh Jul 08 08:31:54 Also known as Billy Connolly :) Jul 08 08:31:58 Termana, lol it just somehow came to my mind Jul 08 08:32:28 I dunno who his to be frank, I wasn't easily moved by ads like every other people :) unless I get desperate :D Jul 08 08:32:39 psycho_oreos: you didn't win a nobel prize mate, you just remembered an ad, which means you watch waaaay too much television :P Jul 08 08:33:15 crashanddie, that's ok, I've sorta killed off that tv addiction :) thanks to the advent of internet which will soon be filtered thanks to conroy connection :) Jul 08 08:33:19 unless you saw that ad during TBYG, in which case you're excused. Jul 08 08:33:26 TBYG? Jul 08 08:33:33 Talking 'Bout your Generation Jul 08 08:33:39 nah don't watch that Jul 08 08:33:53 psycho_oreos: ever heard of SSH? Jul 08 08:34:00 I only watch stuff on tv that interests me.. or otherwise its to kill time (rare) or whilst eating :) Jul 08 08:34:10 crashanddie, secure shell? Jul 08 08:34:12 :D Jul 08 08:34:43 psycho_oreos: about $20 a month will buy you a dedicated server in France with a Linux distro, and you can route whatever you want through it :) Jul 08 08:34:55 unlimited bandwidth, unthrottled Jul 08 08:35:40 crashanddie, yeah stuff like vps and proxies are handy but its still lame that there's this puppet who's advocating it like it is a must have as in to set an example for the rest of the western countries Jul 08 08:36:01 he doesn't understand the issue Jul 08 08:36:10 that's why I said he's a puppet Jul 08 08:36:20 he's a political pawn pushed by companies who will make massive amounts of monies from it Jul 08 08:36:45 he listened and thought that was a good thing and so he made it a big deal without using his brain like most pollies do anyway Jul 08 08:36:56 the truth is, the pedophiles and whatnot are already using VPNs and their own encrypted networks in order to avoid any problems Jul 08 08:37:35 or in another analogy, to make child pronography and other banned sites more appealing Jul 08 08:37:46 anyway its getting OT lol Jul 08 08:37:55 doesn't matter, no one is talking Jul 08 08:38:02 >< ok Jul 08 08:38:47 I just hate it when governments scream "Think of the Children" and try to push a law down the citizen's throat for no good reason, other than to show that they are the active political party and are still alive Jul 08 08:38:50 sooner or later that filter will be broken down, already there's rebels against it, and plenty Jul 08 08:38:54 And Australia is absolutely full of that Jul 08 08:39:16 not really, they're just idiots who think what the minority agrees to Jul 08 08:39:30 then vote them out Jul 08 08:39:53 already decided that but its pointless when next election is still far off Jul 08 08:40:04 then rebell Jul 08 08:40:07 GO MILITIA Jul 08 08:40:13 its already happening :) Jul 08 08:40:20 vote sex party in my opinion Jul 08 08:40:33 OZZIE FREEDOM PARTY, UNTIE! Jul 08 08:40:44 s/TIE/ITE/ Jul 08 08:40:44 crashanddie meant: OZZIE FREEDOM PARTY, UNITE! Jul 08 08:41:01 lol Jul 08 08:41:16 anyway, time to wake up the gf Jul 08 08:41:17 'later Jul 08 08:41:22 sex party is quite small, not trying to undermine them but then again Jul 08 08:41:28 lol cya Jul 08 08:42:59 dc-11 is only big enough for one extra charge and a bit for n900 lol Jul 08 08:43:52 probably a good thing will soon be that I'll get that proporta turbousb charger, and hopefully I can daisychain the chargers and n900 Jul 08 08:44:41 that'll solve the issue with puny battery issue with n900, but won't solve the laggy-ness issue with leaving phone on for 4 days Jul 08 08:47:44 damnit solve my issue of the 4 hour battery life on idle x.x Jul 08 08:47:57 how can I tell what might be read/writing to drain it? lol Jul 08 08:48:42 don't want to buy an extra battery :P Jul 08 08:48:51 or battery charger Jul 08 08:48:58 my pockets are full as it is lol Jul 08 08:51:30 oh that can't be good Jul 08 08:51:43 uninstalled kernel-power and phone stuck in reboot loop Jul 08 08:52:14 flash it while you still can Jul 08 08:52:58 good plan Jul 08 08:52:58 lol Jul 08 08:53:34 does charging work while in err 'flasher' mode? Jul 08 08:53:51 no Jul 08 08:53:54 it's pita to flash after battery is discharged Jul 08 08:54:16 that's why you have to flash before battery goes belov i think 30% Jul 08 08:54:19 below* Jul 08 08:54:24 its probably below that now Jul 08 08:54:25 lol Jul 08 08:54:47 you can try to put it into r&d mode Jul 08 08:54:51 and it might boot Jul 08 08:54:59 I couldn't care.. need an excuse to reflash anyway.. Jul 08 08:55:08 well, you can't flash it now Jul 08 08:55:09 last week the battery has been draining after 3-4 hours Jul 08 08:57:19 err, why can you only flash if the battery level is less than 30%? I've flashed my n900 with almost full charge without issues before Jul 08 08:58:10 he said before 30%... implying it has to be above that Jul 08 08:58:32 ah my bad Jul 08 08:59:11 * psycho_oreos thinks his coffee mug is calling for a cup of coffee now Jul 08 08:59:57 alright flashed Jul 08 09:00:05 and occurs to me now I could have done a kernel flash only Jul 08 09:00:06 <.< Jul 08 09:00:20 sigh.. redownloading 500 mb of apps Jul 08 09:00:44 I sorta have a hack of doing that, making life a little more easier Jul 08 09:00:51 lol Jul 08 09:01:04 also occurs to me I may not have a backup Jul 08 09:01:06 dpkg-repack :) and a script :) Jul 08 09:01:15 manual reinstall: FTW Jul 08 09:01:40 all this could have been saved by a what? --flash-only=kernel Jul 08 09:01:41 ? Jul 08 09:01:53 :'( Jul 08 09:02:07 I think you could have removed power kernel I suppose Jul 08 09:02:18 and it will put back original kernel Jul 08 09:02:40 lol Jul 08 09:02:50 wish titan would fix the bloody uninstall for it Jul 08 09:03:05 last time I tried the icon it screwed things up as well Jul 08 09:03:37 o.O Jul 08 09:03:40 Izzeh: might happen with flash kernel only, for the backup: only the program installation is helped through everything else stays Jul 08 09:06:01 well. nice little experiment on this g1 to see if a factory/data wipe means "put my google information back in" Jul 08 09:06:04 :) Jul 08 09:09:24 19 day old backup.. this isn't going to end pretty for me :P Jul 08 09:17:55 Izzeh, learn to backup more often :) Jul 08 09:50:50 hmm what is reading /proc/bootreason Jul 08 09:51:21 getbootstate Jul 08 09:52:37 is that all? Jul 08 09:53:04 think so, maybe some init scripts Jul 08 09:59:22 mhm Jul 08 09:59:23 OH NO Jul 08 09:59:25 NOT ME! Jul 08 09:59:30 We never lost control! Jul 08 09:59:59 it looks like dsme is not using bootreason Jul 08 10:00:02 just bootstate Jul 08 10:16:04 hi all Jul 08 10:16:09 llaih Jul 08 10:16:53 is the maemo.org karma system broken again? It's about 10 days that my karma is not updated (I published a product, sent some emails in mailing list, blogged, ecc....) Jul 08 10:17:08 ask mister mister... Jul 08 10:17:21 mister X-Fade Jul 08 10:17:34 X-Fade [~xfade@Maemo/community/webmaster/X-Fade] Jul 08 10:17:48 X-Fade: ping :) Jul 08 10:18:04 and he's been idling for not more than 3 minutes so he should around Jul 08 10:18:11 maybe trying to avoid your bug report Jul 08 10:21:55 Apple iProduct: http://i.imgur.com/PdBHq.jpg Jul 08 10:26:00 Termana: so unbelievably old Jul 08 10:26:06 Termana: but yeah, good, but still... :P Jul 08 10:38:17 I'm guessing instinctiv doesn't use mafw? Jul 08 10:40:28 Shit, voda discontinued N900, which means I probably can't get another one ... Even though it's still on their website. Jul 08 10:41:19 alterego: yeah they told me in the shop a few weeks ago, pretty sad :( Jul 08 10:41:33 the guy was like "oh, it runs linux or something, so it's not sold very well..." Jul 08 10:41:45 heh Jul 08 10:41:52 so I threw myself off a nearby building Jul 08 10:41:55 Damnit, I'm up for an upgrade next week and I wanted a second one :( Jul 08 10:42:01 Robot101: hahah Jul 08 11:08:32 Hey guys :D Jul 08 11:09:42 hello Jul 08 11:12:48 can we inject packets? Jul 08 11:13:02 i thought kernel-power allowed that, but apparently no Jul 08 11:14:14 kerio: yes, you can Jul 08 11:14:32 with aireplay-ng? Jul 08 11:30:27 Stskeeps: nice info, thx a lot :) Jul 08 11:30:55 Stskeeps: a bit "oh hell, from the bottom once again" but I'll figure it out :D Jul 08 11:31:18 at least you know css? Jul 08 11:36:26 Stskeeps: yep :) Jul 08 11:36:39 Stskeeps: and Illustrator :) Jul 08 11:36:43 hehe Jul 08 11:37:07 Stskeeps: not that "ICanMakeAnything" like photoshop but :) Jul 08 11:37:18 I didn't realize Nokia maps is a mozilla based app ... Jul 08 11:37:28 wazd, what are you guys talking about? Jul 08 11:37:42 file:///usr/share/nokia-maps/html/index.html Jul 08 11:37:57 That actually, loads the app ... Jul 08 11:38:18 Though it doesn't exactly work. It loads all the UI .. Jul 08 11:38:31 that explains why there is no turn by turn navigation then Jul 08 11:38:53 should sure as shit load alot faster id think Jul 08 11:38:57 technomike: erm, no it doesn't Jul 08 11:39:20 Why is it not a native app? Jul 08 11:39:36 technomike: it is a native app. Jul 08 11:40:03 A native app that uses html/css & javascript for it's UI logic ... Jul 08 11:40:20 The core is probably written in C++ Jul 08 11:40:34 ah my confusion. sorry :) Jul 08 11:41:18 On the subject of ovi maps, any news on turn by turn navigation yet? Jul 08 11:41:37 technomike, maybe next decade. Jul 08 11:41:42 That's my guess. Jul 08 11:41:48 hahaha Jul 08 11:42:05 :D Jul 08 11:42:13 And Sygic's Mobile Maps 10 update will come out in next 50 years. They're double faster than Nokia. Jul 08 11:42:22 tried the turn by turn on Mappero? Jul 08 11:42:28 By turn-by-turn I'm guessing you mean voice guided navigation? Jul 08 11:42:35 Yep alterego Jul 08 11:42:44 Appiah - Nope Jul 08 11:42:55 Meh, I couldn't really care less. :) Jul 08 11:43:03 Actually the Nokia Maps @ Maemo would be somehow usable if it had even the goddamn auto-re-calculate-route -function. Jul 08 11:43:09 Route planning is about as much as I'd ever want tbh. Jul 08 11:43:26 D-Iivil_Work: yeah, that is anoying ... Jul 08 11:43:36 I'm okay wathcing the route as drawn line @ map, but re-calculation is a MUST. Jul 08 11:43:45 D-Iivil_Work: +1 Jul 08 11:43:47 Agreed. Jul 08 11:43:49 Agreed D-Iivil_Work Jul 08 11:43:50 That's why I went with Sygic. Jul 08 11:43:55 really? Jul 08 11:44:01 I upgraded to n900 from n97, and n97 ovi maps is alot better tbh. Jul 08 11:44:02 seams so expensive Jul 08 11:44:09 Appiah, it's only money ;) Jul 08 11:44:16 I'd rather buy a GPS unit Jul 08 11:44:24 D-Iivil_Work bling bling! Jul 08 11:44:28 otoh, I think we might get full Ovi maps in the near future. Jul 08 11:44:38 SpeedEvil, ping? Jul 08 11:44:40 But one thing that's bothers me with Sygic (and mostly the only one) is that I cannot search street name before I know which city the street is in. Jul 08 11:44:46 alterego - Yeah hopefully anyway Jul 08 11:44:54 Mainly because they must be almost done porting it all to Qt, so it should be XP Jul 08 11:44:55 And most of the times I don't know the city for sure. Jul 08 11:45:10 technomike: tried mappero yet? Jul 08 11:45:21 Nope, going to check it out now :D Jul 08 11:45:38 has voice guiding too (not the best but it works Jul 08 11:45:50 So in worst scenario I first have to open the Nokia Maps, search the street to know which city it's located and then open the Sygic... Jul 08 11:46:20 mappero is too laggy for my taste and it shows too little information on what's coming ahead you (the maps is centered). Jul 08 11:46:21 haha Jul 08 11:46:34 D-Iivil_Work: hahah, at least we have multitasking :P Jul 08 11:46:38 my dad was lost in nowhere and was handing over the map as he wasn't sure where to go, I popped up mappero and lead the way up to the house he was looking for Jul 08 11:46:56 I suggested that mappero would be changed in the way that your position is always on bottom of the screen so you could see as much information as possible on what's coming ahead of your position. Jul 08 11:47:01 technomike: chav? Jul 08 11:47:47 D-Iivil_Work - Seen the ad for Sygic N900 maps on youtube, and the GUI looks nice. Especially for speed cameras and speed alerts. Jul 08 11:47:55 Rambo - eh? Jul 08 11:47:57 D-Iivil_Work: what for? I dont need to know the turns after the next... Jul 08 11:48:04 technomike: do you know evilseph? Jul 08 11:48:17 chem|st, well you need to zoom out very much to see the intersection early enough when driving on highway. Jul 08 11:48:18 :S no Jul 08 11:48:32 chem|st, and constant zooming in and out while driving is not something I want to do. Jul 08 11:48:34 I'm working on my own "navigation" app at the moment. Jul 08 11:49:03 Though mapping and routing is not really on the agenda at all. Jul 08 11:49:07 D-Iivil_Work: changing the pre-announce to related to driving speed is much more useful Jul 08 11:49:08 technomike, Sygic works very well, I'd give it 9/10 points. That one points is left off because that search function. Jul 08 11:49:21 Yeah Jul 08 11:49:24 chem|st, will it do the zooming automaticly or what? Jul 08 11:49:31 Sounds disappointing Jul 08 11:49:42 that you have to go into ovi maps to find out Jul 08 11:49:46 but oh well Jul 08 11:50:25 technomike, yeah. I'd like to be able search just with the street name and it would return all the streets in all cities that have that street and I could just pick the one I want to. Jul 08 11:50:29 Do you guys know any media players that have an equalizer function to improve the bass? Jul 08 11:50:41 technomike, symphony Jul 08 11:50:49 just need an equalizer function not a new player Jul 08 11:50:58 Or was it symfonie. Jul 08 11:51:03 Can't remember the name. Jul 08 11:51:07 technomike: you must be a different tm Jul 08 11:51:08 ham5 - Ideally yeah if its possible Jul 08 11:52:24 technomike, there's eq-plugin for default player. Can't remember the name though. Jul 08 11:52:43 Oh :o that would be brilliant Jul 08 11:52:52 Will have a search around. Thanks :) Jul 08 11:53:02 technomike: do you have twitter? Jul 08 11:53:09 It takes a bit of battery and AFAIK it affects to all sounds on your system. Jul 08 11:53:44 John123 - I don't Jul 08 11:53:45 technomike, here it is: http://www.my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=MAFW_Equalizer&fldAuto=1475&faq=34 Jul 08 11:54:00 many thanks Jul 08 11:54:29 technomike, here's a link for more recent release: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mafweqrenderer Jul 08 11:58:06 D-Iivil_Work: the function is not implemented Jul 08 11:58:28 chem|st, ? Jul 08 11:58:43 D-Iivil_Work: zooming automatically Jul 08 11:59:02 chem|st, aa that. Still would prefer the positioning differently than zooming in and out. Jul 08 11:59:19 chem|st, just like it's done with every other satnav. Jul 08 11:59:35 chem|st, except Nokia Maps Maemo -version :P Jul 08 11:59:52 i just got mupen installed Jul 08 11:59:56 and all i have to say is Jul 08 11:59:58 WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT Jul 08 12:00:05 PhonicUK: pfff Jul 08 12:00:21 its supprisngly fast :| Jul 08 12:00:34 technomike: im sure i know you Jul 08 12:00:41 not many people use "technomike" Jul 08 12:00:48 D-Iivil_Work: the position should depend on your speed and/or zoom the pos of the next WP for better view Jul 08 12:00:54 John123, sounds creepy :P Jul 08 12:01:01 D-Iivil_Work: not really Jul 08 12:01:06 ive seen that nick before Jul 08 12:01:08 PhonicUK: mupen? Jul 08 12:01:10 Thanks, what release is the best to use out of the two. MTR and MGR. I am not sure what it means. Jul 08 12:01:11 wait, on the n900? Jul 08 12:01:15 D-Iivil_Work ^ Jul 08 12:01:16 chem|st, I think your position should be static and always at the "bottom" of the screen (in case that map autorotates) Jul 08 12:01:18 chem|st, N64 emulator Jul 08 12:01:20 it works really well Jul 08 12:01:23 technomike: I KNOW YOU! Jul 08 12:01:33 did you live in greece? Jul 08 12:01:33 Eh? Jul 08 12:01:40 Mario 64 without sound is full speed without overclock Jul 08 12:01:43 1 frame skip Jul 08 12:01:49 John123 - No lol I live in UK Jul 08 12:02:07 technomike, I think you need to install them both. Not sure, never used it myself. Google that plugin and it will lead to you thread @ tmo. Maybe there's more info Jul 08 12:02:16 gaah nokia multimedia transfer SUCKS BAWLS Jul 08 12:02:29 D-Iivil_Work: in town this is sometime not realy useful while you are looking for a way around the block cause the road is blocked Jul 08 12:02:31 technomike: you used to live in greece Jul 08 12:02:36 and you moved back here Jul 08 12:02:50 PhonicUK: ok so nothing special... Jul 08 12:02:57 chem|st, hmm... but you still don't have to see what's behind you, don't you ;) Jul 08 12:03:13 chem|st, why do you say that? this is pretty significant for the N900 Jul 08 12:03:25 chem|st, or at least I'm not intrested in what's behind me when I'm driving. I'm more into what's coming ahead. Jul 08 12:03:46 I had that case as the route calculated was behind me Jul 08 12:04:47 PhonicUK: yes its significant that linux runs all kinds of emulators pretty fast if they are old... N64 is from the 90's Jul 08 12:05:08 its significant that a handheld device can do it fast enough to be playable Jul 08 12:05:23 even my 300MHz desktop ran an N64 emulator without framedrops Jul 08 12:05:35 :o Jul 08 12:06:02 well, my N64 ran N64 games without framedrops Jul 08 12:06:05 lol Jul 08 12:06:09 "N64 is from the 90's Jul 08 12:06:10 " Jul 08 12:06:12 I feel old Jul 08 12:06:26 I had a 350MHz K6-2 that could just about play Mario 64 at full speed Jul 08 12:06:30 PhonicUK: I don't want to tell you off mate! Jul 08 12:06:31 technomike: ham5: there's hardware EQ in AIC34 Audio Codec chip. Just no interface in ALSA :-/( Jul 08 12:06:32 Appiah: i finished super mario 64 with 120 stars last weekend Jul 08 12:06:38 in 1 particular emulator, i cant remember what it was called Jul 08 12:06:41 kerio: :) Jul 08 12:06:44 it only played a small number of games well Jul 08 12:07:16 Corn :D Jul 08 12:07:17 that was it Jul 08 12:07:38 PhonicUK: it's just that emulators +10 years ago don't make me wank but play some games I used to play on the real hardware back in the days Jul 08 12:08:03 MohammadAG51: Jul 08 12:08:10 I wanna make a wireless N64 controller Jul 08 12:08:10 SpeedEvil: Jul 08 12:08:39 SpeedEvil, any ideas if the vibra motor breaks if run at 255 for too long? Jul 08 12:09:04 for short times should not Jul 08 12:09:19 it has a limited life - few hours? Jul 08 12:09:22 MohammadAG51, what are you doing :D A dildo out of N900? Jul 08 12:09:37 don't ask questions you don't really want the answer Jul 08 12:09:37 D-Iivil_Work, lmao, no Jul 08 12:09:52 MohammadAG51: short time means less than 10 seconds, should not hurt Jul 08 12:09:59 SpeedEvil, so it can't run for say, 12h? Jul 08 12:10:06 ham5: technomike: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-07-03.log.html#t2010-07-03T03:16:50 Jul 08 12:10:10 MohammadAG51, haha Jul 08 12:10:12 12 hours Jul 08 12:10:20 MohammadAG51, didlo widget? :D Comes with condom to put on before use? Jul 08 12:10:26 someone's motor's broken, it was just a suggestion Jul 08 12:10:35 this channel's full of pervs lol Jul 08 12:10:38 MohammadAG51: you can run it for a few minutes I guess Jul 08 12:10:41 MohammadAG51: I would expect it to - however - maybe not many days of that Jul 08 12:11:10 SpeedEvil: the motor will get hot pretty fast Jul 08 12:11:46 they are not designed to run constantly for a long time Jul 08 12:11:46 I really think a good hardware mod would be vibra motor that really vibrates Jul 08 12:12:04 chem|st: it's not actually dissipating that much power Jul 08 12:12:05 SpeedEvil, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=744805&postcount=10 Jul 08 12:12:11 and it's physically of a moderate size Jul 08 12:12:17 hey, I followed some direction on the maemo forum for an out of space message I was getting saying I couldnt store incoming text messages Jul 08 12:12:33 hey, I followed some direction on the maemo forum for an out of space message I was getting saying I couldnt store incoming text messages Jul 08 12:12:38 MohammadAG51: the motor isn't designed for 100.000s of hours lifetime, but it shurely should survive a few 100h. Given it's not operating at >100% on 255 Jul 08 12:12:48 SpeedEvil: true... isnt the speed in this case the cut? Jul 08 12:12:48 now none of the messages I get show up in the conversations app Jul 08 12:13:12 speed? Jul 08 12:13:46 MohammadAG51: anyway I never seen datasheets of vibrator units (you usually buy the whole unit incl excenter mass from a components manuf) Jul 08 12:14:11 if you let it spin for longer than 1 second it gets on top speed Jul 08 12:14:59 Guest13526: no idea Jul 08 12:16:36 i uninstalled some stuff and removed some stuff Jul 08 12:16:38 DocScrutinizer: after a few hundred hours I wonder if the phone wold survive. With that soft of constant vibration is may start to either wiggle cables loose or who knows what damage. The n900 isnt designed for a vibration environment Jul 08 12:16:39 chem|st: the motor of vib obviously has to withstand a continuous 100% operation of some minutes, as that's what you'd expect as a normal usecase for signalling. It won't heat up after 2min I'd guess, as the system is sufficiently small to find a equilibrum after 1..2min Jul 08 12:17:15 but conky still shows /home as full - why? Jul 08 12:18:11 <_0x47> where should I put libraries in? is /usr/lib/ fine? (talking about packaging) Jul 08 12:19:23 asj_: cables mustn't come loose after prolonged periods of vibrations, as that would create a building up effect that could hit the device after 1/2 a year with many inbound calls. Also there are rather harsh specs for amount (both in amplitude and duration) of vibration the device has to survive in PV tests Jul 08 12:20:26 <_0x47> please anyone, I have no time left :/ Jul 08 12:20:41 sure, go ahead Jul 08 12:20:53 <_0x47> k thanks, just thought I might have to save space Jul 08 12:20:57 <_0x47> like using /opt Jul 08 12:21:02 <_0x47> kk but thanks! Jul 08 12:21:15 _0x47: generally you should optify your usr/lib stuff Jul 08 12:21:18 and have symlinks Jul 08 12:21:27 that should be dealt with by optification creating symlinks from /usr/lib to /opt/whatever Jul 08 12:21:50 DocScrutinizer: mmm, ok...still pretty far outside the norm Jul 08 12:21:51 <_0x47> is there a tool? or would I have to create the symlinks myself? Jul 08 12:22:23 _0x47: there's some optification tool, but I don't know it Jul 08 12:22:48 _0x47: aiui it does pretty much all for you Jul 08 12:23:03 <_0x47> aiui is the name? Jul 08 12:23:05 <_0x47> lol Jul 08 12:23:11 ~wtf aiui Jul 08 12:23:13 AIUI: as I understand it Jul 08 12:23:19 <_0x47> oh lol Jul 08 12:23:46 DocScrutinizer, you're talking about using the maemo-optify -function in rules file? Jul 08 12:23:59 <_0x47> D-Iivil_Work: tell more Jul 08 12:24:18 _0x47, hold on a sec. Jul 08 12:24:21 <_0x47> k Jul 08 12:24:42 _0x47, put this onto your rules -file: maemo-optify $(PKGNAME) Jul 08 12:24:58 _0x47, under binary-indep Jul 08 12:25:05 <_0x47> let me try Jul 08 12:25:05 D-Iivil_Work: thanks! yes that's what I had in mind Jul 08 12:25:29 _0x47, can't remember if there was something else to do also. Jul 08 12:25:48 _0x47, then the autobuilder will "optify" the package. Jul 08 12:25:51 DocScrutinizer: I mean hot in terms of warm not melting, like the gps when powering up Jul 08 12:26:41 chem|st: that's a complex topc. But first very simple take is: nothing must break by keeping it active Jul 08 12:27:07 D-Iivil_Work, he needs maemo-optify in build deps and the $(PKGNAME) isn't really needed :) Jul 08 12:27:13 DocScrutinizer: sure it doesn't, but those beasts are known to brake Jul 08 12:27:27 chem|st: otherwise (if it were) then kernel driver had to assure the constraints are kept Jul 08 12:27:29 also, echo "auto" > debian/rules _should_ optify packages Jul 08 12:27:34 MohammadAG51, might very well be true since I don't really know anything about packaging :D Jul 08 12:27:37 (didn't work for mc though) Jul 08 12:27:43 well the last I know not the motor broke but the controller Jul 08 12:27:45 MohammadAG51: NOOO Jul 08 12:27:50 just trying a potshot: is there a way to convert a 64-char WPA2 hex key into a usable max-63-char passphrase? Jul 08 12:27:58 oh hey X-Fade Jul 08 12:28:00 MohammadAG51: debian/optify, not debian/rules :) Jul 08 12:28:08 typo Jul 08 12:28:10 my bad Jul 08 12:28:11 lol Jul 08 12:28:20 Otherwise you break your package badly. Jul 08 12:28:26 i know xD Jul 08 12:28:40 i just typed that w/o thinking about it though Jul 08 12:28:54 MohammadAG51: :-P Jul 08 12:28:58 X-Fade, blacklist guy back from holidays? :P Jul 08 12:28:59 X-Fade, from what moment is the "ten days quarantee" calculated with packages @ extras-testing? Jul 08 12:29:17 i think when it gets into testing Jul 08 12:29:23 MohammadAG51: Girl and no, I think monday she's back. Jul 08 12:29:41 D-Iivil_Work: from the moment it gets imported into testing. Jul 08 12:29:44 MohammadAG51, so it's not from when the tenth plus vote came or? Jul 08 12:29:54 what he said ^ Jul 08 12:29:58 X-Fade, well.. why can't I promote this: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/black-plastic-theme/2.000/ Jul 08 12:30:13 because everybody hates themes Jul 08 12:30:22 xP Jul 08 12:30:33 X-Fade, oh.. my bad. It's been on testing since 30.6. Jul 08 12:30:34 haters Jul 08 12:30:41 kerio, yeah, the do. Jul 08 12:30:44 +y Jul 08 12:31:15 D-Iivil_Work: You will automatically receive an email once it is unlocked. Jul 08 12:31:24 i don't hate themes, I hate UIs :P Jul 08 12:31:41 X-Fade, yeah, that I know :) I just didn't remember the date I promoted it to testing correctly. Jul 08 12:32:05 X-Fade, should have checked it before asking stupid questions :D Jul 08 12:32:42 D-Iivil_Work: Most of the time, computers can count quite well and should not be doubted ;) Jul 08 12:32:51 X-Fade, lol :P Jul 08 12:32:54 * MohammadAG51 cues X-Fade's "PEBCAK" Jul 08 12:33:08 Indeed, indeed. Jul 08 12:34:53 Hmm.. got "new" N900 today, battery is definitely lasting better with this one than the one that's being repaired atm. Jul 08 12:36:12 hola guys, can I flash the n900 without a USB cable/PC? Jul 08 12:37:13 kernel, yes, anything else, no Jul 08 12:37:35 well, you could use another N900 when host mode works Jul 08 12:37:57 so that would not revert any changes made by a program i installed earlier? Jul 08 12:38:14 chem|st, still there? Jul 08 12:39:50 the thing is I have been trying to get sixaxis to work and got as far as it asking for connection over and over, putting "input" out and into the disabled modules in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf didn't do anything for me Jul 08 12:40:55 people on the boards had the same problem which would be solved by either this "input" line or a reflash. Jul 08 12:42:13 stop bluetoothd; sleep 1; start bluetoothd Jul 08 12:44:22 I am newbie at maemo. recently installed maemo 5 on ubuntu 10.04. Successfully installled GTK hello world application. But right now I am facing problems with scratchbox login. Jul 08 12:44:30 it says Scratchbox is not properly set up! Jul 08 12:45:06 tried rebooting? Jul 08 12:45:19 Yep.. Jul 08 12:45:20 MohammadAG51 : same old thing, asks over and over without effect on tapping "yes" - yeah I reboot all the time ^^ Jul 08 12:46:24 me1ne, reinstall the joydev kernel module Jul 08 12:46:40 roger Jul 08 13:01:13 <_0x47> D-Iivil_Work, MohammadAG51: I tried, and it didn't really work. Guess this might be related to my weird debian/rules file. http://pastebin.com/JdiwUnXa Any idea? (I added maemo-optify to build-depends tho) Jul 08 13:01:57 <_0x47> The binary-indep section was missing before, i copied it from a working package of mine Jul 08 13:02:10 <_0x47> this one is just ported, so i dunno why it looks so weird Jul 08 13:02:51 debhelper7? Jul 08 13:02:55 <_0x47> yes Jul 08 13:03:11 not sure if that uses the same syntax Jul 08 13:03:28 <_0x47> i tried using v 5, but that failed Jul 08 13:04:45 <_0x47> so you can't help me out? or are you investigating? Jul 08 13:06:18 try to use the debian/optify method Jul 08 13:07:21 <_0x47> i didn't quite understand how to do so, was reading the wiki and the readme. but it's really confusing :/ would I just have to echo 'auto' > debian/optify, and make it a build-dependency? Jul 08 13:07:32 <_0x47> or run maemo-optify-deb on the .deb? Jul 08 13:10:04 <_0x47> MohammadAG51? Jul 08 13:12:44 _0x47, just make a file named optify in debian/ and add auto to it Jul 08 13:14:01 i ask this in forum but not reply asking here again: can i test other program that are no write in QT in the QT simulator ? like python program ? Jul 08 13:14:17 or i need to go for the scratchbox ? Jul 08 13:14:21 <_0x47> MohammadAG51: ok thanks! One last question about Debian packaging. If I change the debian/rules, but did not change the .dsc .changes and .original.tar.gz myself, will the autobilder know about it. Better: Will dpkg-buildpackage automatically add these changes to the described files? Jul 08 13:14:56 <_0x47> Just wondering, because until now I always manually gzipped the changes back to the sources file :/ Jul 08 13:16:05 huh? Jul 08 13:16:45 hey Mohammad :) Jul 08 13:16:51 hey PhonicUK Jul 08 13:16:58 _0x47: you have to modify changelog Jul 08 13:17:06 _0x47: and dpkg-buildpackage will do everything Jul 08 13:18:09 <_0x47> MohammadAG51: Err, I i did "echo 'auto' > debian/optify" right? now I'd run dpkg-buildpackage again. This creates the .changes .dsc files and stuff. But I'm unsure if the new "optfiy" file is added automatically to the sources, which I will upload to the autobuilder, know what I mean? Jul 08 13:18:28 <_0x47> Changelog was modified once Jul 08 13:18:34 <_0x47> To point out that it was ported. Jul 08 13:18:56 <_0x47> but I did build it after that and again modify the sources, leaving the changelog unmodified tho Jul 08 13:19:01 <_0x47> wuold that be enough? Jul 08 13:19:35 <_0x47> I can't modify the changelog on every tiny change I did :/ Jul 08 13:19:41 yes you can Jul 08 13:19:52 well, on every repackage Jul 08 13:20:37 <_0x47> kerio: The question is: Would I have to change the changelog if I didn't upload it? I mean, if I change some parts, I do a dpkg-buildpackage just to see if it works. I do that quite often, so that would really mess it up Jul 08 13:21:10 <_0x47> I would just bump the version to infinty :D Jul 08 13:21:21 MohammadAG51: I'm not too familiar with all this, here's what I have found out. Jul 08 13:21:21 modprobe -l shows "joydev.ko" but in /proc/modules there is nothing with a similar name... does that mean it's just not loaded? Jul 08 13:22:04 Hi. If I find an interesting package in http://maemo.org/packages/ (which only shows which versions were submitted when to fremantle extras-devel or whatever), how do I get more information of the type found in "http://maemo.org/downloads/product/"? (For example, CallerIDwidget --I want to know if it controls whether MY number is displayed to other callers, or whether incoming callers' numbers are displayed on my n900) Jul 08 13:23:29 _0x47, you only need to modify the changelog file when you upload it Jul 08 13:23:58 the optify file is added to the tar.gz, unless you're using a diff file to apply changes then it will be added by patch Jul 08 13:24:16 <_0x47> that's the answer i like to hear :) thanks Jul 08 13:27:26 me1ne: to check for loaded modules, use lsmod Jul 08 13:28:15 DocScrutinizer: AFAIK lsmod just parses that file I mentioned Jul 08 13:28:27 the openoffice splash screen looks weird Jul 08 13:28:32 why is that? Jul 08 13:29:06 cause it's stretched to fit the whole screen Jul 08 13:29:18 not within lxde Jul 08 13:29:50 thought you were using debbie Jul 08 13:30:30 even when OCing, openoffice is slooooooooow Jul 08 13:31:00 feel free to optimize it for ARM kerio :) Jul 08 13:31:12 me1ne: heh Jul 08 13:31:31 gaah why the stupid easy debian always resets my settings Jul 08 13:33:00 does RAM and rootfs sit on same NAND chip? Jul 08 13:33:24 If I enabled extras-devel just to install an app known to be stable (mc = Midnight Commander) and then disabled extras-devel again, then when I restore a backup, will AppManager re-enable extras-devel to restore "mc"? Does this mean it will try to update all the other apps and libraries from extras-devel (risking installing buggy packages)? Jul 08 13:33:44 kwtm: it'll just fail to reinstall mc i think Jul 08 13:33:58 kerio: Thanks. I hope that's what it does. Jul 08 13:34:05 mc is in testing Jul 08 13:34:09 we had this conversation before Jul 08 13:34:38 FIQ: one wouldn't stick RAM into a NAND ... Jul 08 13:34:54 ah Jul 08 13:34:58 * FIQ fail then Jul 08 13:35:05 the RAM is hopefully somewhere near the cpu Jul 08 13:35:16 MohammadAG: Actually, we didn't, since this is my first time restoring after installing mc. However, you are right in that I have previously mentioned the character string "mc", yes. Jul 08 13:35:19 and access to RAM should be much faster than access to NAND Jul 08 13:35:38 kwtm, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mc/4.6.2-pre1-1maemo10/ Jul 08 13:35:47 it's in -testing, not -devel Jul 08 13:36:01 test and vote for it and it should be in extras :) Jul 08 13:36:06 kwtm: packages are only offered if they can be found in your enabled repositories Jul 08 13:36:16 backup doesn't enable repositories automatically for you Jul 08 13:36:28 MohammadAG: Congratulations on the promotion to -testing; however, when I installed it, I installed from extras-devel. I have never used extras-testing before. Jul 08 13:37:06 Does that mean that my n900 won't be able to find it if I just enable extras-devel? Jul 08 13:37:40 kwtm: packages generally don't *disappear* from a given repository Jul 08 13:37:50 they can *appear* (suddenly) in additional repositories Jul 08 13:37:57 but repositories generally only accumulate junk Jul 08 13:38:08 timeless_mbp: Thanks. That's what I suspected, but I wanted to see if the Backup app would remember which repositories I got the packages from, and to see if it would automatically enable the repository. Jul 08 13:38:18 nah Jul 08 13:38:25 backup doesn't care which repository provided a package Jul 08 13:38:35 the application list is like a shopping list Jul 08 13:38:37 "eggs Jul 08 13:38:39 butter Jul 08 13:38:40 milk Jul 08 13:38:42 juice Jul 08 13:38:45 bread" Jul 08 13:38:55 application manager goes shopping and picks the best of each Jul 08 13:38:59 it doesn't care who's selling Jul 08 13:39:26 Well, that was nice and easy. Jul 08 13:39:26 or more importantly Jul 08 13:39:29 MohammadAG: I would love to test and vote for it. Is there any web page where I can vote? I see that maemo.org/packages only provides bare-bones information. Jul 08 13:39:38 when you go home and put the eggs, butter, milk, juice and bread away Jul 08 13:39:43 (Implementing the toggle fullscreen button when in fullscreen) :) Jul 08 13:39:46 no one can look at your home and *know* where you got them from Jul 08 13:39:56 MohammadAG: hme got promoted? Jul 08 13:40:01 so when they make the list of things to get later, they can't make a list that says "oh, i need to get milk from " Jul 08 13:40:12 because the milk they see doesn't indicate where it came from Jul 08 13:40:18 any milk will do Jul 08 13:40:21 newer milk would be better Jul 08 13:40:56 timeless_mbp: Good analogy; but I wanted to know whether the Backup App would be able to fully restore a copy of the backup. If the backup says I had smoked salmon in my home, and my home by default does not come with a neighbourhood gourmet store, will the Backup App know that I had gotten it from the specialty gourmet store across town? Jul 08 13:41:20 nope Jul 08 13:41:29 well, not exactly Jul 08 13:41:39 the backup can record a list of repositories too Jul 08 13:41:48 think of it this way Jul 08 13:41:48 and will Jul 08 13:41:54 timeless_mbp: And, to follow the "newer milk" analogy, will the Backup App say, "Hey, there's newer milk from Dodgy-FlyByNight-Grocery! I'll get it from there!" when Dodgy-FlyByNight is not in the default store list? Jul 08 13:41:59 if i buy a cheese cake from the cheese cake factory Jul 08 13:42:01 and bring it to you Jul 08 13:42:10 and stick it into your refrigerator Jul 08 13:42:17 and someone comes to your house and catalogs your items Jul 08 13:42:27 there's no way for the cataloger to know where you got it from Jul 08 13:42:28 otoh Jul 08 13:42:37 if you have contracts to take deliveries from the milk man Jul 08 13:42:54 then the guy who records your inventory can also take down the list of providers Jul 08 13:43:07 the backup iirc also can record the list of repositories you have Jul 08 13:43:13 but it's a current list Jul 08 13:43:19 it isn't related to the goods you have in stock Jul 08 13:43:30 if you stopped doing business with that milk man Jul 08 13:43:33 timeless_mbp: Understood. So one of these following must be true: either "1. Backup App does not restore the apps fully", or "2. Backup App automatically re-enables repositories I have disabled". Jul 08 13:43:34 and still had milk Jul 08 13:44:15 if you installed mc from -devel, disabled devel, backed up, then restored, it will restore only the repos you had enabled when you backed up -> no -devel restored Jul 08 13:44:28 Okay, I see that it is the former: "mc" was not reinstalled. (No big deal, but I just have to know.) Jul 08 13:44:40 if you have -testing enabled it will install mc Jul 08 13:44:40 timeless_mbp: also of disabled repos? or should I rather enable all catalogs prior to backup-ing? Jul 08 13:44:54 kwtm: cat ~/.hildon-application-manager/packages.backup Jul 08 13:45:03 MohammadAG: Oh! Interesting! So if I enabled the -devel repository at backup, then it will re-enable the -devel repository. I see! Jul 08 13:45:06 it restores disabled repos as disabled iirc Jul 08 13:45:10 yes Jul 08 13:45:48 Hmm, I wonder, if I re-enable -devel, whether it would be able to know that "mc" is still waiting to be restored? Jul 08 13:46:07 is mc an example in this case? Jul 08 13:46:37 the same version in -devel is in -testing Jul 08 13:46:40 hhm, so the practice to enable extras-devel temporarily for installing a particular app and disabling it immediately - this seems to be begging for trouble on retore then Jul 08 13:46:44 you don't need -devel to install mc Jul 08 13:47:05 DocScrutinizer, it only grays out packages that aren't available in the repos Jul 08 13:47:13 timeless_mbp: If you say that packages don't disappear from -devel, but can appear in -testing or "^extras$", then I could just stick with the -devel repository but only install packages known to be in -testing (say) to stay safe, right? Or would the version in -devel be buggier than -testing? Jul 08 13:48:00 MohammadAG: Well, I don't mind installing from -devel. I just wanted to know if Backup App would re-enable -devel automatically (which puts the rest of my updates at risk). So that question's been answered. Jul 08 13:48:03 buggier, that's questionable. But newer of course Jul 08 13:48:19 or it could be the same version Jul 08 13:48:44 So I really should enable -testing, and not just snag from -devel, then. Jul 08 13:48:56 MohammadAG: Anyway, I really appreciate your packaging "mc". Where do I go to vote? Jul 08 13:49:14 heh it's not my package/port/app, I only optified it, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mc/4.6.2-pre1-1maemo10/ Jul 08 13:49:19 * MohammadAG pokes alterego ^ Jul 08 13:49:27 MohammadAG: duh - so what's new in mc? Jul 08 13:49:40 aah Jul 08 13:50:59 yessir? Jul 08 13:51:17 read up Jul 08 13:51:18 :P Jul 08 13:51:26 You want me to test something? Jul 08 13:52:13 doh Jul 08 13:52:14 :P Jul 08 13:52:28 Hmm.. I can't seem to log in to maemo.org/packages to vote. Is it a separate login from talk.maemo.org? Jul 08 13:52:34 yeah Jul 08 13:55:00 home sweet home. Jul 08 13:59:27 <_0x47> MohammadAG: It worked the debian/optify way Jul 08 13:59:29 <_0x47> :) Jul 08 13:59:34 Hi D-Iivil. Welcome home. You must be D-Iivil_Work's brother. Jul 08 14:00:42 this sixaxis stuff is driving me mad Jul 08 14:01:13 Extras has not only "rsync" but "grsync"?? I am in heaven!! Jul 08 14:02:53 ?? MohammadAG, I don't see mc in extras-testing, and my n900 just updated the repositories. Jul 08 14:03:29 don't you already have it installed? Jul 08 14:04:38 me1ne, having problems with a PS3 controller? Jul 08 14:04:40 No, I just reflashed my n900. (Had to test the flasher from Windows since I can't always carry my Ubuntu laptop to reflash if my phone fails.) Jul 08 14:04:51 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mc/4.6.2-pre1-1maemo10/ <-- well it is in testing Jul 08 14:05:24 So, for those who actually remember conversations with me from a few days ago: I have since reflashed my device, and then used Backup App to restore the device (hence my questions). Jul 08 14:05:53 PhonicUK : very much so :) It keeps asking for connection over and over, that's how far I got. I assume I got the "write BT MAC to Pad" part right Jul 08 14:06:11 MohammadAG: I believe you --I even tried to vote. But how come mc is not listed as an app I can install, even though I've enabled Extras-testing? Will it show an error if I typed the repository URL wrong? (I think I got it right, though.) Jul 08 14:06:26 me1ne, just to check - have you tried to use any other BT HIDs before now? Jul 08 14:06:42 Trying to uninstall "mc" from App Manager confirms that I actually do NOT have "mc" already installed. Jul 08 14:06:58 PhonicUK: yes, a keyboard, couldn't get it to work either Jul 08 14:07:17 ok, did you have to change your bluetooth daemon settings? Jul 08 14:07:31 I changed nothing manually Jul 08 14:07:35 okay Jul 08 14:07:50 and obviously you've got the sixaxis package installed and have rebooted the device? Jul 08 14:07:50 all I did was install the sixaxis-support and sixad packages from extras Jul 08 14:08:21 lots of reboots, yep^^ Jul 08 14:08:45 ok so the problem is probaly in the pairing itself Jul 08 14:09:38 meh, maybe due to no genuine controller then :( Jul 08 14:09:47 aaah Jul 08 14:09:53 From talk: "Our screens dont have retina or amoled technologies" Jul 08 14:09:55 it is a "premium" controller Jul 08 14:10:02 is it sony made? Jul 08 14:10:10 works flawlessly on PC, no, it's not a Sony. Jul 08 14:10:11 seriously, where are they all living... Jul 08 14:10:26 did you use sixpair on a linux box? Jul 08 14:10:35 nope, the windows method Jul 08 14:10:36 wazd that whole post/thread is just a /facepalm Jul 08 14:10:44 try the linux method Jul 08 14:10:51 it worked fine for me by using a virtual machine Jul 08 14:11:03 this is the guide i followed: Jul 08 14:11:03 http://tomasz.sterna.tv/2010/02/play-games-on-nokia-n900-with-ps3-sixaxis-controller/ Jul 08 14:11:21 hmkay, gonna give it a try, thanks so far Jul 08 14:11:25 no worries Jul 08 14:11:29 it won't work on a non genuine controller Jul 08 14:11:40 i suspected so Jul 08 14:12:08 I get as far as it asking - a problem identical to those experienced by genuine controller users.. that's why I'm keeping my hope up Jul 08 14:12:40 the most common problems are configuration issues from having previously used other bluetooth HID setups, or not getting it to pair correctly Jul 08 14:12:41 and it was 7 new shipping included ;) Jul 08 14:12:55 get a 1st party controller from ebay :P Jul 08 14:12:57 wazd: o.O Jul 08 14:13:07 I have a PS3 so i just took my 2nd controller and used that Jul 08 14:13:12 nidO: I wish people discussed some real problems that hard Jul 08 14:13:27 yeah will eventually, but before I'll try everything else^^ Jul 08 14:13:34 lol k Jul 08 14:13:38 afternoon all Jul 08 14:13:42 X-Fade: ping Jul 08 14:13:43 afternoon Jul 08 14:13:48 hi PhonicUK Jul 08 14:13:49 lardman: o/ Jul 08 14:13:51 wazd: ""I want an app to scan my fingerprint by placing finger on touchscreen"" ?? Jul 08 14:13:53 hey wazd Jul 08 14:13:59 lardman: hi Jul 08 14:14:07 hi X-Fade, how's things? Jul 08 14:14:13 lol! Jul 08 14:14:18 DocScrutinizer: I want retina technology in my screen :D Jul 08 14:14:26 X-Fade: Is it allowed to create a wiki page about a specific app - i.e. mBarcode? Jul 08 14:14:27 LOL Jul 08 14:14:30 on maemo, how to identify the debian packages uniquely? is there any similar concept of unique ids as in Symbian? Jul 08 14:14:33 DocScrutinizer: and my fridge :) Jul 08 14:14:36 lardman: Why not? Jul 08 14:14:41 I want my screen in my retna Jul 08 14:14:41 and swimmng pool Jul 08 14:14:45 galatage, package names are unique Jul 08 14:14:49 no two may share the same name Jul 08 14:14:51 X-Fade: just thought I'd check ;) Jul 08 14:15:08 X-Fade: wouldn't want my avatar to vanish completely after all :D Jul 08 14:15:16 nah ;) Jul 08 14:15:30 any particular section in that case? Jul 08 14:16:02 PhonicUK, so as names may clash, is there anything which might be unique ? Jul 08 14:16:13 galatage, names cannot clash Jul 08 14:17:09 PhonicUK, also can these package names be localized to specific locale ? Jul 08 14:17:26 no, the package names are constant across all locales Jul 08 14:17:28 as a debian package name, no, as a name in the app manager, yes Jul 08 14:17:44 ^ that Jul 08 14:18:19 PhonicUK: hahaha Jul 08 14:18:25 :P Jul 08 14:18:31 XB-Maemo-Display-Name-en_GB: Jul 08 14:18:45 replace the en_GB with the language you want, and the name will be localized in app manager Jul 08 14:18:48 btw, maybe someone can help me with this: am I able to use built in maemo icons in my software? Jul 08 14:19:01 PhonicUK: gave a shit of a hard time till I managed to find "UKW Radio" instead if FM-radio in HAM Jul 08 14:19:05 for toolbar or something Jul 08 14:19:28 Is it possible to replace my N900s kernel without completely reflashing? Jul 08 14:19:32 I wanna try overclocking it Jul 08 14:19:47 PhonicUK: searching for FM not even gave me a hit for FM-radio :-S Jul 08 14:19:50 flasher-3.5 -k zImage -f -R Jul 08 14:19:54 :s Jul 08 14:20:03 it's only flashing /dev/mtd3 Jul 08 14:20:06 on the device itself? Jul 08 14:20:43 if you want to flash on device either use a fiasco image with a zImage and fiasco-image-update or use softupd -v --local then flasher -k zImage -f -R Jul 08 14:20:47 well Jul 08 14:20:49 MohammadAG: so but if i use dpkg -l to check what all the packages are installed using console, then I should get the standard engineering english names for these packages isn't it ? Jul 08 14:20:52 you don't need -R, just reboot Jul 08 14:20:58 galatage, yes Jul 08 14:21:14 or maemo-list-user-packages to get the packages in user/ sections Jul 08 14:21:28 is there a recent guide to overclocking post PR 1.2? Jul 08 14:21:49 blah, still no reliable way to get non-hid bluetooth keyboards hooked up :( Jul 08 14:22:03 non-HID keyboards need to die Jul 08 14:22:04 * DocScrutinizer starts to hate the whole apt&repo&usersection&HAM mess Jul 08 14:22:18 but I lub mine :( Jul 08 14:22:40 I wanna try out that bluetooth laser keyboard that I see now and then Jul 08 14:22:47 PhonicUK: there is: just _don't do it_ Jul 08 14:22:58 PhonicUK: apt-get install kernel-power-flasher Jul 08 14:23:00 kernel-load ideal Jul 08 14:23:01 PhonicUK: thats the keyboard i have Jul 08 14:23:05 there Jul 08 14:23:07 why not? I'm not exactly a novice to overclocking :P Jul 08 14:23:07 the one by celluon Jul 08 14:23:17 but its a serial connection Jul 08 14:23:20 PhonicUK: even worse for you Jul 08 14:23:27 why? Jul 08 14:23:46 dangerous false knowledge Jul 08 14:24:03 I know about the particular SoC being used and its different power states Jul 08 14:24:27 hmm Jul 08 14:25:11 and the different voltage levels it has available at different frequencies Jul 08 14:25:30 as long as you are aware it *WILL* damage your hardware (though not necessarily _break_)... Jul 08 14:25:46 I understand that increasing the voltage reduces the lifespan of the transistors Jul 08 14:26:14 PhonicUK: that's where half knowledge starts. Check SmartReflex(R) Jul 08 14:26:23 X-Fade: done, thanks Jul 08 14:26:25 bbl Jul 08 14:27:57 PhonicUK: it's not the voltage but the current that reduces the transistors' lifespan. And you can't adjust the current directly by adjusting e.g. core voltage, as there's SmartReflex interfering with your Vcore settings Jul 08 14:28:06 I se Jul 08 14:28:10 8see Jul 08 14:28:11 **see Jul 08 14:29:03 also the switching frequency does have an impact Jul 08 14:29:03 more state changes: more migration Jul 08 14:29:14 yep Jul 08 14:29:44 Im in a shell Jul 08 14:29:51 done sudo gainroot Jul 08 14:30:04 cd MyDocs Jul 08 14:30:04 and SR will ramp up voltage/current for singe function blocks, no matter what you do to global Vcore Jul 08 14:30:10 I like the idea of having a lower frequency for being idle Jul 08 14:30:13 125 instead of 250 Jul 08 14:30:16 can't cd to mydocs Jul 08 14:30:22 Any idea why not? Jul 08 14:30:37 cd /home/user/MyDocs Jul 08 14:30:38 technomike: because it is case sensitive. Jul 08 14:30:38 you need the full path Jul 08 14:30:39 PhonicUK: Idle means 0Hz, not 250MHz Jul 08 14:30:56 does the SoC actually support the idle state? Jul 08 14:30:57 X-Fade - thanks alot man. my mistake. Jul 08 14:30:58 and 125MHz is known to be instable Jul 08 14:31:01 worked X-Fade Jul 08 14:31:02 :) Jul 08 14:32:54 PhonicUK: the kernel-power has a lot of extra useful things Jul 08 14:33:00 including a way to load power settings Jul 08 14:33:00 such as? Jul 08 14:33:16 is there anything that I need to do other than install kernel-power? Jul 08 14:33:24 install kernel-power-flasher Jul 08 14:33:33 (it has kernel-power has a dependancy) Jul 08 14:33:53 then reboot Jul 08 14:33:57 D-Iivil_Work: for mappero, have you noticed the "lead" option? Jul 08 14:34:06 then you can use kernel-config load $name to load the settings Jul 08 14:34:23 "ideal" is popular Jul 08 14:34:30 but you may want to make your own Jul 08 14:34:40 no he won't Jul 08 14:35:33 SpeedEvil, did you see wifi-signal-applet? Jul 08 14:35:37 just noticed it in the repos Jul 08 14:35:43 as the default is clearly the best setting, except you did _really_ in-depth research about how your usecase is significantly different to the average Jul 08 14:35:52 DocScrutinizer: why this hatred against overclockers? Jul 08 14:36:03 kerio: ??? Jul 08 14:36:07 assuming they are correctly warned of the risks and won't come back whining to you when everything goes boom Jul 08 14:36:11 what hatred? Jul 08 14:36:40 nothing, nothing Jul 08 14:36:43 you do seem a little agressive on the subject, DocScrutinizer. I'm sure its not intentional but it comes of that way just a little Jul 08 14:36:45 that's just how people who think they know all (even better) percept reasonable comment Jul 08 14:38:58 !?? mc is not in extras-devel either. Now I recall that I had installed in via command-line. Hmm... Jul 08 14:39:10 MohammadAG, how to use this maemo-list-user-packages? is it a command or package ? Jul 08 14:39:14 MohammadAG:P yes Jul 08 14:39:26 IIRC it caused me to lose internets Jul 08 14:39:40 galatage, just type it in terminal Jul 08 14:39:54 kwtm, not sure what your problem is, I just saw it in app manager Jul 08 14:40:46 MohammadAG: I'm not sure either. I enabled extras-devel and extras-testing (one at a time), and after each change it said "checking for updates". New apps appeared but not mc. Jul 08 14:41:07 MohammadAG, is it applicable for harmattan as well ? Jul 08 14:41:40 <_0x47> what to do if a package that is normally provided by gcc-4.4 is not on extras-devel? libgfortran3 is in gcc-4.4 on debian, but not on Maemo. :/ I I repackage it, I will not be able to add the new package to the repos, as the original gcc-4.4 is already there. Jul 08 14:41:41 MohammadAG: I'm not supposed to actually click on the "update" icon (as in: "Uninstall/Download/Update") right? Because then that might update some other stable system libraries to extras-devel? Jul 08 14:42:58 click update to refresh the repos Jul 08 14:43:18 kwtm, mc is in testing, it should appear regardless Jul 08 14:43:40 galatage, err, what does this have to do with haramattan? Jul 08 14:44:29 MohammadAG: Yeah, I don't know what happened. I remember now that the same thing happened last time. Is perhaps the search function in AppManager the issue? I searched for "mc" and got "mceled" and "mclock". Is the package called "the-new-mc" or something where it does not start with mc? Jul 08 14:44:46 Midnight Commander Jul 08 14:44:48 <_0x47> MohammadAG: you left me out. :) Jul 08 14:45:10 900MHz is pretty cool with mupen64 :) Jul 08 14:45:13 Ohhh!!! It's called Midnight Commander. No wonder. Jul 08 14:45:23 Okay, I see it now. Jul 08 14:47:05 ;yeah - as FM-radio is called "UKW Radio" in German device's HAM :-P Jul 08 14:47:49 Oh god Jul 08 14:47:51 searching for FM made me think it's not there Jul 08 14:47:56 lockdaemon's source contains binaries Jul 08 14:48:02 I'd love it if I could use the touch screen as buttons Jul 08 14:48:07 LOL Jul 08 14:48:42 sure, they need to 'keep the secrets' Jul 08 14:48:54 ubuntu vm says it can't find sixpair command... I navigated to the download directory where I unpacked it and entered "sudo ./sixpair [my bt address]" Jul 08 14:49:40 ls Jul 08 14:49:43 me1ne, do ./sixpair Jul 08 14:49:51 ah nm i failed to read Jul 08 14:51:05 what's the preferred method of playing back a simple sound file (one of those that came with the n900 as system sounds) from the CLI on the n900? Jul 08 14:51:32 playsound? Jul 08 14:51:46 DocScrutinizer51: thanks! Jul 08 14:51:52 dunno if it's the preferred method Jul 08 14:52:05 it has flaws Jul 08 14:52:12 like no volume control Jul 08 14:52:38 mhh Jul 08 14:56:39 ./sixpair => permission denied Jul 08 14:56:49 sudo ./sixpair => command not found Jul 08 14:57:13 file sixpair? Jul 08 14:57:51 32bit executable, DLLs, Linux, not stripped Jul 08 14:58:13 My N900 is really retarded about which orientations should be portrait. . . . Jul 08 14:59:12 me1ne: and you're on 32bit linux? Jul 08 14:59:31 32bit ubuntu live cd in sun virtualbox Jul 08 14:59:56 on a 32bit host, if that matters Jul 08 15:00:11 Shapeshifter: if you find a better way, please let me know Jul 08 15:01:05 GAN900: does it move the screen to the small side of device? :-P Jul 08 15:02:11 GAN900: Sorry but the orientation code is basically FUBAR. it is really really FUCKED. Ugh. Jul 08 15:02:17 DocScrutinizer: hi there, sorry have not sent the Nokia adapter to you yet :/ Jul 08 15:02:29 tybollt, you're not kidding. Jul 08 15:02:30 DrGrov: no worries :-D Jul 08 15:02:33 DocScrutinizer: I keep forgetting about it :D Jul 08 15:02:45 start firefox, put it in background, all of a sudden phone GUI stops aligning w/ orientation Jul 08 15:02:48 yeah Jul 08 15:02:52 GOOD GOING THAT Jul 08 15:02:55 THAR* Jul 08 15:03:26 lockdaemon has the most fucked up source I've EVER seen Jul 08 15:03:35 hehehehe Jul 08 15:03:53 sure, that's called security by obscurity Jul 08 15:04:08 nd we all know how well that works Jul 08 15:04:11 1. it has binaries Jul 08 15:04:11 agree with n900 alignment problem. I turned off "autodetect orientation" in phone because all it would do is flip back and forth between portrait and landscape, and never actually let me press any buttons. Jul 08 15:04:15 MohammadAG: pointer? Jul 08 15:04:16 * tybollt rolls eyes on Doc Jul 08 15:04:19 2. it has sources for those binaries Jul 08 15:04:30 3. the sources build the binaries with a different name Jul 08 15:04:43 4. the build deps are missing something Jul 08 15:04:55 mehehehehe Jul 08 15:05:25 unless these can be ignored http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JZbbuHWV Jul 08 15:05:29 jacekowski: THAT would be a nice target for your unexploited RE skills :-D Jul 08 15:05:59 Your opinions, please, people, on the Midori web browser package for n900: stable enough to install? I'm looking for a fast web browser to render locally stored mostly-text web pages (huge batch of reference texts in HTML format). Jul 08 15:06:31 ick Jul 08 15:06:42 How about themes? Can the wallpapers from themes be somehow separated? Jul 08 15:07:00 Would love to have the 4 theme wallpapers separated instead Jul 08 15:07:03 Qt 4.7 in -devel, yay Jul 08 15:07:16 so that's why lockdaemon got taken down Jul 08 15:07:28 I thought they just removed it cause it used old PR1.1.1 deps Jul 08 15:07:39 uh? Jul 08 15:08:07 WTF lockdaemon? Jul 08 15:08:21 MohammadAG: pointer?? Jul 08 15:08:45 it's a daemon which vibrates the device when opening/closing the keyboard and locking/unlocking the screen Jul 08 15:08:51 name is a bit misleading Jul 08 15:08:56 oooh Jul 08 15:09:00 OMFG Jul 08 15:09:01 http://maemo.org/packages/view/lockdaemon/ Jul 08 15:09:18 Thought it's the lock-screen-password magic Jul 08 15:09:26 lol Jul 08 15:10:18 which I wouldn't be surprised to have blobs in it Jul 08 15:10:42 I'd be surprised though to see any open source related to it :-P Jul 08 15:11:32 lol Jul 08 15:11:49 sigh Jul 08 15:11:56 reflash and my phone is still dead after 4 hours Jul 08 15:12:05 err? Jul 08 15:12:20 battery playing silly bugger lately Jul 08 15:12:29 OMG Jul 08 15:12:30 and phone going flat idling after 4-5 hours Jul 08 15:12:52 idling ob 3G busy Jul 08 15:12:58 I suspect Jul 08 15:13:34 its connected via wifi and 3G Jul 08 15:13:42 but the issue is that its been doing that for months Jul 08 15:14:00 only recently have I been seeing this ridiculously low battery life Jul 08 15:14:29 yeah, and when your carrier decides to expose your IP to the internets and there's inbound traffic a lot, there's simply nothing you can do to stop 3G from draining your battery Jul 08 15:14:33 anyone else find microb forgets settings? Jul 08 15:14:39 lol Jul 08 15:14:44 or the settings get corrupt Jul 08 15:14:57 but I'm on wifi and its just as bad? Jul 08 15:15:07 i keep telling it not to open fullscreen, and it obeys for a bit then reverts to defaults Jul 08 15:15:07 so they get moved to prefs-1.js and a new one is made Jul 08 15:15:13 perhaps at reboot Jul 08 15:15:32 Izzeh: then use powertop to investigate it Jul 08 15:16:08 also, how long is it supposed to hold url history? it seems to forget that pretty quick too Jul 08 15:16:10 powertop? Jul 08 15:16:32 Battery Graph reports next to 0 cpu usage and conky shows it idles fine Jul 08 15:16:42 bah Jul 08 15:16:53 I don't trust both of those tbh Jul 08 15:17:24 Izzeh: how would you even try to stop 3G? Jul 08 15:17:58 you've lost me completely :s Jul 08 15:18:06 just having a association to a AP doesn't mean inbound traffic on 3G is implicitly impossible Jul 08 15:18:37 so a trial in offline mode is in order then? Jul 08 15:18:41 Izzeh: still your provider my flood you with inbound packages on 3G Jul 08 15:18:48 even if I diagnose such a thing though.. how do I solve it? Jul 08 15:18:50 lzyou bet it is Jul 08 15:18:56 Izzeh: ^^ Jul 08 15:19:14 Izzeh: kick your provider's ass Jul 08 15:19:17 lol Jul 08 15:20:05 so I just go without a phone and I'll be sweet on battery? :S Jul 08 15:20:32 Izzeh: see, quite a number of providers have so called "mobile DSL" now: a ethernet/wlan router with connection to internet over 3G Jul 08 15:20:34 cant get that switcher to switch to 2g? Jul 08 15:20:50 Izzeh: for those devices you probably want them exposed to internet Jul 08 15:21:04 Izzeh: for modbile devices short on battery you don't Jul 08 15:21:17 but my main point is this has only started occuring recently Jul 08 15:21:38 Izzeh: if your provider thinks your N900 is a wireless DSL AP, then you need to make him change your config Jul 08 15:21:40 also does ham5 have a point? would 2G mode be a viable test as well? Jul 08 15:21:58 how significant is the powersaving from disabling 3G and sticking with GPRS? Jul 08 15:22:16 I'm hoping 12 hours Jul 08 15:22:25 cause thats what I'm currently losing from my previous usage Jul 08 15:22:33 My old N97 gets several days of battery life since i took out the SIM card Jul 08 15:23:11 The N97 has an epic battery Jul 08 15:23:12 I'm sticking with 3G only atm, but I only enable data when I need it Jul 08 15:23:44 Izzeh: check your provider's websites. Often you can specify type of device there. If there's no N900, then chose N97 or iPhone or sth similar Jul 08 15:23:46 and I usually don't enable IM because that's the greatest battery sucker Jul 08 15:23:59 the N97 battery is slightly bigger than the N900 one isn't it? Jul 08 15:24:07 PhonicUK: the difference is huge, provided that you're constantly using the connection. E.g. I'm always online on several jabber accounts. With 3G enabled, it barely lasts half a day, with it disabled, I easily get through a day. However I noticed that if I'm not online, and the only connection that is made regularly is checking mail, than 3G isn't such a power drainer. Apparently it doesn't use much power if not in use. Jul 08 15:24:08 can't recall ever seeing anything like that Jul 08 15:24:28 PhonicUK, 1500/1320 N97/N900 Jul 08 15:24:35 aye Jul 08 15:24:35 mAh Jul 08 15:24:38 but I don't see why it would have changed in the last couple of weeks Jul 08 15:24:41 Izzeh: then call your hotline and ask, how you'd set the type of device you are using with their data service Jul 08 15:24:53 only problem I have with GPRS is I can't use data while in a voice call Jul 08 15:24:57 * MohammadAG has his device set as a Nokia 6680 Jul 08 15:25:04 why? Jul 08 15:25:16 cba to call my operator and change it Jul 08 15:25:16 http://i31.tinypic.com/a0ieed.png Jul 08 15:25:21 my battery graph by the way Jul 08 15:25:29 note the most recent cycle.. I left it doing nothing Jul 08 15:25:39 do they block different model phones if you dont notify them? Jul 08 15:25:45 PhonicUK: depends on your provider aiui. N900 supports GPRS + GSM-call concurrence Jul 08 15:25:54 I'm on TMO UK Jul 08 15:26:18 TMO conflicts with t.m.o Jul 08 15:26:27 T-Mobile Jul 08 15:26:29 I know Jul 08 15:26:30 xD Jul 08 15:26:38 its always called TMO here xD Jul 08 15:26:50 T-MO Jul 08 15:26:57 I hear TMO so many times each week its silly Jul 08 15:27:03 yah thats how it gets said Jul 08 15:27:14 vs tmo Jul 08 15:27:19 or t.m.o Jul 08 15:27:27 Tee-Moe Jul 08 15:27:47 lbt: how much do you know of the n8x0 qt? Jul 08 15:28:17 What's the easiest way to do a screen cast on the N900? Jul 08 15:28:20 hiii Jul 08 15:28:22 <_0x47> anyone help me, this really drives me nuts! i need to just get libboost1.42 to extras-devel. I have a build dependency to libopenmpi-dev. this one has so many inherited dependencies that I just can't follow them all. any suggestion how I can sort this out? I'm willing to add non-free (binary) packages if that helps me out. but even the dependencies of the .deb files (not build-deps) are too much... Jul 08 15:28:23 * DocScrutinizer yawns and curses weather and whatnot Jul 08 15:28:37 lbt: i am wondering if there are optimizations re ARMv6+VFP that isn't included in upstream Jul 08 15:28:52 Hmm Jul 08 15:28:53 alterego: there's an app for that. Alas is borked for me as long as I know of it Jul 08 15:28:55 * BCMM curses Boost Jul 08 15:29:07 Hrm Jul 08 15:29:10 I doubt it Jul 08 15:29:17 ok its on 2G and I'll leave it run a few hours (after I get it up from 5%)... but I'm not hopeful this is a solution at all Jul 08 15:29:24 BCMM: I concur Jul 08 15:29:34 DocScrutinizer: thanks, I'll see what I can come up with with gstreamer... Jul 08 15:29:40 as I've had SIP and MSN connected constantly for the last 8 months.. I see no reason anything changed in the last 2 weeks Jul 08 15:29:42 Stskeeps: most of the patches were pretty functional/cosmetic Jul 08 15:29:56 quick question i have pr1.2 and would like to know if it okay to use the old devels repository.. Jul 08 15:29:57 there were some to integrate with gtk Jul 08 15:30:58 DocScrutinizer: i don't really understand Boost, apart from as a source of dependancy hell - is there a reason many smaller libs couldn't do the same things? Jul 08 15:31:14 got sixpair to work (permissions) friggin same problem as before, keeps asking me :( Jul 08 15:31:36 hmmm ok lol i feel soo alone Jul 08 15:31:56 BCMM: don't ask me. I'm just happy with deep dislike and not further caring about - as far as possible Jul 08 15:32:26 DocScrutinizer: I suspect gstreamer is somewhat castrated on maemo as of late ... Jul 08 15:32:40 Half the elements are available but don't work :/ Jul 08 15:33:03 twinkle included libboost-regex just for a silly simple regex to filter some chars out of a string. Drove me nuts Jul 08 15:33:07 okay ima leave Jul 08 15:34:03 BCMM: then I had to learn building libboost pkg needs GB of storage and hours of time, just to get that idiotic regex lib Jul 08 15:34:13 alterego, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/mc/4.6.2-pre1-1maemo10/ NAO Jul 08 15:34:14 heh Jul 08 15:34:32 Okay, okay. Jul 08 15:34:46 MohammadAG: is it executable from the app menu? Jul 08 15:34:46 DocScrutinizer: i'd sooner call a perl instance each time ;-) Jul 08 15:34:57 alterego, yeah Jul 08 15:34:58 MohammadAG: or console only? Jul 08 15:35:03 MohammadAG: okay .. Jul 08 15:35:04 it opens xterm Jul 08 15:35:08 Good good Jul 08 15:35:21 MohammadAG: you're using your email for the bug tracker :P Jul 08 15:35:22 BCMM: lemme put it that way: the time my 300MHz lappy took to build libboost, I easily had coded and debugged the regex function by myself Jul 08 15:35:41 alterego, cba to request a bugtracker, but that's better than a tmo thread Jul 08 15:35:43 DocScrutinizer: that? Jul 08 15:35:45 Shit, I've got to get ready to go out :) Jul 08 15:35:50 DocScrutinizer: you mean that? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JZbbuHWV Jul 08 15:35:56 Okay, voted for you :) Jul 08 15:36:01 lol Jul 08 15:36:03 test then vote Jul 08 15:36:04 MohammadAG: you not going to vote yourself? ;) Jul 08 15:36:07 DocScrutinizer: heh Jul 08 15:36:10 jacekowski: nope Jul 08 15:36:13 no, I'm not that desperate alterego Jul 08 15:36:15 DocScrutinizer: what then? Jul 08 15:36:16 :P Jul 08 15:36:17 Hahah Jul 08 15:36:20 bitch Jul 08 15:36:31 I'll test it on the go, gotta head out now. Take care folks. Jul 08 15:36:38 cya alterego Jul 08 15:36:42 jacekowski: I meant the lockscreen with password shit, where nobody knows how to access/reset the password Jul 08 15:36:54 link? Jul 08 15:36:56 DocScrutinizer: the thing i don't understand is it being one huge package (on every system i've seen) Jul 08 15:37:04 even qt is modular Jul 08 15:37:24 or you mean the built in lock screen? Jul 08 15:37:31 jacekowski: yes Jul 08 15:37:39 it's stored in cal as far as i remember Jul 08 15:37:53 that's the legend Jul 08 15:38:06 do you know name of binary? Jul 08 15:38:12 nope Jul 08 15:38:36 hildon-desktop or similr? Jul 08 15:39:15 Hm Jul 08 15:39:19 check who's addressee of dbus cmds to lock device Jul 08 15:39:37 I think it's mce Jul 08 15:39:43 possible Jul 08 15:39:54 restarting mce locks the device Jul 08 15:40:00 Hypothetically, would it be a bad idea to have the bootfs on the eMMC, and use the NAND for a (smaller) swap partition? Jul 08 15:40:02 wut? Jul 08 15:40:05 Or perhaps it's impossible? Jul 08 15:40:08 (on the N900, that is) Jul 08 15:40:20 restarting mce here -> Device locked Jul 08 15:40:50 FireFly: I think theoretically it's possible. Meego is configured similarly iirc Jul 08 15:41:10 MohammadAG: that's because you enabled device locking I guess Jul 08 15:41:17 Because I can't seem to find anyone who has tried it with Maemo when googling Jul 08 15:41:24 hmm lock_code Jul 08 15:41:26 stored in cal Jul 08 15:41:37 i think it would be simple to reset it Jul 08 15:41:41 yes Jul 08 15:41:46 that's the point Jul 08 15:41:55 so you just want something to reset it Jul 08 15:42:57 DocScrutinizer, es Jul 08 15:43:00 yes* Jul 08 15:44:46 <_0x47> it's so retarded to have packages in extras that have unmet build dependencies (gcc-4.2). ffs Jul 08 15:45:35 <_0x47> lol forget it Jul 08 15:46:17 _0x47: it's maemo Jul 08 15:54:30 problem Jul 08 15:54:33 my phone doesn't lock Jul 08 15:54:47 Hm, my charger keeps refusing to charge my phone (i got the message "Charging" on insert - after around 30secs, a new message states "Not charging") Jul 08 15:58:57 BME FTW Jul 08 15:59:20 FIQ: seems your battery is full Jul 08 15:59:49 ehhhh Jul 08 15:59:59 please don't feed your battery anymore :( Jul 08 16:00:10 it can't handle moar bacon now Jul 08 16:00:33 FIQ: lshal|grep battery.voltage.current Jul 08 16:01:17 FIQ: >4100 means your battery is quite completely charged Jul 08 16:03:51 actually it's a flaw in UI design, not to show when battery is full but *would* charge if it were empty (aka "charger connected") Jul 08 16:05:02 is there a setting in simple brightness which matches the default n900 behaviour? Jul 08 16:05:18 not afaik Jul 08 16:05:45 simple brightness is a botch, a nice one but still Jul 08 16:06:42 BCMM: most 'neutral' setting is 4-bars Jul 08 16:07:07 yeah, was kind of hoping that acted like the default Jul 08 16:07:17 simple brightness would be nice to get it to 0 Jul 08 16:07:20 I mean Jul 08 16:07:29 5-bars actually breaks ALS (recently?) Jul 08 16:07:36 It would be nice if you could set it to the absolute minimum hardware brightness Jul 08 16:07:47 i dunno what the default is like - i hadn't noticed brightness adjustment before i installed it Jul 08 16:07:57 DocScrutinizer: ALS? Jul 08 16:08:05 ambient light sensor Jul 08 16:08:26 Actually - I'd like the minimum hardware brightness to be 1/4 or so of the current Jul 08 16:09:30 SpeedEvil: I have no problem with minimum brightness, but it seems the coefficient for ALS needs some tweaking Jul 08 16:09:45 I like to read comparatively large print text. Jul 08 16:10:00 a decent user brighness applet would allow to adjust min, max, and ALS gamma Jul 08 16:10:01 at the minimum easy to read brightness in a pitch black room Jul 08 16:12:55 i jus uninstalled simple brightness, and it looks like th minimum allowed brightness is pretty high Jul 08 16:13:33 explains why i saw someone who didn't have it installed blind himself in a dark music venue Jul 08 16:13:57 probably even 4 'dials': XY for min and max brightness, where X is ALS and Y is screen brightness Jul 08 16:14:13 Nokia-N900-02-8:~# cat /usr/local/bin/dim Jul 08 16:14:13 #!/bin/sh Jul 08 16:14:13 echo 2 >/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness Jul 08 16:14:27 And then sudo dim in a queen beecon Jul 08 16:14:41 is the minimum hardware brightness - onmine at least Jul 08 16:17:03 hmm, screen on zero looks pretty much the same as in bright sunlight Jul 08 16:17:13 yeah Jul 08 16:17:22 the screen is 'ok' at 0 brightness Jul 08 16:17:40 can it turn backlight off at extreme ambient light? Jul 08 16:17:49 (to save power) Jul 08 16:17:54 however - minimum brightness on the simple brightness thingy uses no appreciably more power Jul 08 16:18:02 as I understand it - no - it cranks it to max Jul 08 16:19:50 Interesting turn in the Eldar Murtazin vs. Nokia case... Jul 08 16:20:24 i wouldn't be surprise me if the end of the scale was such that a cloudy and sunny day aren't distinguishable Jul 08 16:20:26 The ninjas? Jul 08 16:20:35 how does one read the ALS? Jul 08 16:21:04 /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/actual_brightness Jul 08 16:21:17 is the actual brightness which is influenced by ALS Jul 08 16:21:33 brightness of the screen? Jul 08 16:22:26 so no way to read the ambient light directly? Jul 08 16:23:34 oh - yeah - there is Jul 08 16:23:46 BCMM: luxmeter Jul 08 16:24:03 or similarly named app Jul 08 16:24:17 DocScrutinizer: does it read a sysfs file or what? Jul 08 16:24:28 which is just reading a szsnode Jul 08 16:24:33 yes Jul 08 16:25:42 /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0029/lux Jul 08 16:26:01 I gues Jul 08 16:26:02 s Jul 08 16:27:46 Nokia Legal + Eldar Jul 08 16:27:48 I love it. Jul 08 16:29:40 I suppose he got one, and breached the NDA/terms? Jul 08 16:30:08 who? Jul 08 16:30:18 On the topic of video game emulators. (not very worksafe) http://www.seekvideogames.com/News/Play-Condoms.html Jul 08 16:30:19 Eldaer Jul 08 16:30:23 elmar? Jul 08 16:30:27 who? Jul 08 16:30:39 http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/07/08/1337208/Nokia-Chases-Blogger-To-Recover-N8-Prototype Jul 08 16:30:56 eldar kartuzin Jul 08 16:30:58 or something Jul 08 16:31:08 its more like it was stolen, nokia arent going to be handing out that early prototypes to bloggers. Jul 08 16:31:14 a russian blogger that olways has the latest phones prior to official launch Jul 08 16:31:28 yeah Jul 08 16:31:40 oh dear, apple-style leaking? Jul 08 16:31:45 and they did ask him for it back like a couple days after he "reviewed" it Jul 08 16:31:46 but AFAIK noone proved eldar stole these phones Jul 08 16:32:09 tybollt: well, keeping stolen property isn't legal either here, at least Jul 08 16:33:40 DocScrutinizer51: reset would be easey Jul 08 16:33:41 easy* Jul 08 16:33:57 eh? Jul 08 16:34:01 of the code Jul 08 16:34:06 that can be done easily Jul 08 16:34:13 ooh Jul 08 16:34:19 i'm thinking about pulling it out of the cal Jul 08 16:34:35 just can you verify something for me Jul 08 16:34:39 jacekowski.org/read_code Jul 08 16:34:46 change code to 12345 Jul 08 16:34:57 and tell me what does it return after you run it Jul 08 16:36:00 anyone there? Jul 08 16:36:03 nah Jul 08 16:36:07 everybody went home Jul 08 16:36:21 i'm asleep Jul 08 16:36:22 i wanna have some fun Jul 08 16:36:32 nooooooo Jul 08 16:36:35 have you tried fire? Jul 08 16:36:37 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh Jul 08 16:36:48 hmmmmmmmmm Jul 08 16:36:54 woila Jul 08 16:47:42 DocScrutinizer51: ? Jul 08 16:47:45 D-Iivil_Work - are you still here? Jul 08 16:48:04 jacekowski: hm? Jul 08 16:48:29 18:34 < jacekowski> just can you verify something for me Jul 08 16:48:29 18:34 < jacekowski> jacekowski.org/read_code Jul 08 16:48:29 18:34 < jacekowski> change code to 12345 Jul 08 16:48:29 18:34 < jacekowski> and tell me what does it return after you run it Jul 08 16:48:51 not now, sorry Jul 08 16:49:26 all these dropped people did that? ;) Jul 08 16:55:06 why? Jul 08 16:56:05 i'm going home Jul 08 16:56:07 /bin/devlocktool Jul 08 16:57:08 are there any apps that provide useful ways to skip track in mediaplayer? Jul 08 16:57:22 (without task switching) Jul 08 16:57:46 hi, is anyone using diablo with syncevolution-0.8.x and the dates application? I'm trying to get it to sync with a funambol v8.5 but it's failing Jul 08 16:57:47 i'm reading a PDF fullscreen while listening to music Jul 08 16:59:55 BCMM, shake2control Jul 08 16:59:55 BCMM Jul 08 17:00:13 There is an app to use the earphone button to operate the media player Jul 08 17:02:12 i'm using the builtin speakers; i'll look at shake2control Jul 08 17:02:16 hmm Jul 08 17:02:49 the ideal thing would be something like double-press volume up button Jul 08 17:09:19 lcuk: i've installed shake2control, snd hsve no idea what to do next Jul 08 17:10:18 Greetings. Anyone in US successful with getting fMMS to work? Jul 08 17:13:20 hey all Jul 08 17:14:07 when using the power user kernel, do i need to change anything to allow overclocking with cpufrequi? Jul 08 17:14:25 conky says 900MHz but nothings faster Jul 08 17:14:44 you really want to brick your precious N900? Jul 08 17:15:00 have you read the manuals for overclocking? Jul 08 17:15:33 yes Jul 08 17:15:44 im no novice to overclocking Jul 08 17:16:40 I am not sure if overclocking will brick it so soon Jul 08 17:19:50 beware of voltage max Jul 08 17:23:04 PhonicUK, overclocking a mobile device is not like overclocking a desktop. :) Jul 08 17:23:20 damn, GPS seems still broken in PR1.2 Jul 08 17:23:23 technomike, at 900MHz? Potentially weeks or months. Jul 08 17:23:28 DocScrutinizer, ? Jul 08 17:23:33 broken? Jul 08 17:23:57 needs a GSM SIM otherwise takes ages to get a fix, if any Jul 08 17:24:17 nota bene both devices were connected to internet via WLAN Jul 08 17:24:18 oh, heh. yeah Jul 08 17:24:35 interesting Jul 08 17:24:51 i thought i've been able to get a fix with just wifi Jul 08 17:25:03 iirc, it uses userplane agps Jul 08 17:25:14 which doesn't require anything carrier/gsm specific Jul 08 17:25:19 the one with PR1.1.1 and active SIM took 15s for 1. fix, while the one with PR1.2 and not booked in SIM got no fix after 10 min Jul 08 17:26:56 interestingly enough both devices had correct coords to 2nd digit after dot, so it can not be related to the one without SIM wasn't able to determine which data to get from internet to assist GPS Jul 08 17:27:05 DocScrutinizer: what is stupid is the missing capability for a user-assisted gps Jul 08 17:27:24 diablo had that Jul 08 17:27:37 user-assisted? Jul 08 17:27:49 though see above, it won't cure the bug that's obviously in there Jul 08 17:28:55 trip0: give a first rough guess about where you are, so GPS chip knows for which sats to look Jul 08 17:29:09 meaning you, the user? Jul 08 17:29:17 trip0: user enters 'i am here' Jul 08 17:29:22 heh Jul 08 17:29:33 trip0: N900 GPS is supposed to use GSM cell info to get such rough data Jul 08 17:29:40 GAN900 - :o seriously? Jul 08 17:29:47 that's what i thought you mean. it seems kinda silly to have to do that though Jul 08 17:29:53 technomike, yes, seriously. Jul 08 17:30:10 technomike, that's why you see everybody saying overclocking is a terrible idea. :) Jul 08 17:30:15 nooooo, not again ... :-O Jul 08 17:30:16 GAN900 - Really am shocked. No way I am going near overclocking with my N900 then Jul 08 17:30:33 GAN900 - Yeah haha, I realise now why Jul 08 17:30:44 who asked why I always sound so rude when OC topic ? Jul 08 17:31:09 Thanks for mentioning it though because I was always interested in overclocking my n900 Jul 08 17:31:24 overclocking makes my flash run smoother Jul 08 17:31:50 trip0: sure. But it eats your CPU, chunk by chunk Jul 08 17:32:13 hmm... is that way widgetsgallery keeps on crashing? Jul 08 17:32:15 :P Jul 08 17:32:22 s/way/why* Jul 08 17:32:44 I only got my N900 recently :) Absolutly loving it in everyway! Jul 08 17:34:17 the omap 3430 runs on many devices at 720MHz stock. wonder why the n900's is only clocked at 600 Jul 08 17:34:43 trip0: there are different bins of chips. Jul 08 17:34:47 oh, i take that back Jul 08 17:34:50 DocScrutinizer, yeah, your right Jul 08 17:35:05 it's the 3530 i'm thinking of Jul 08 17:35:17 the one on N900 is rated at 500 continuous Jul 08 17:36:04 Is there a safe overclock speed or is it best not to touch overclocking at all? Jul 08 17:36:19 it's probably not safe at all Jul 08 17:36:27 trip0: just like you can get every 'normal' processor with different speedsteppings Jul 08 17:36:30 Ok then Jul 08 17:37:00 technomike: safe is 600, the way Nokia is already using it. So your best bet is not to touch it Jul 08 17:37:42 Yep ok :) Jul 08 17:37:52 LOVE THIS TUNE Jul 08 17:37:54 see, Nokia already does OC. It runs the chip @600 Jul 08 17:38:00 erm Jul 08 17:38:01 lol Jul 08 17:38:04 I never typed that Jul 08 17:38:52 and Nokia came to conclusion it's not very wise to strech it even more Jul 08 17:39:12 Nokia also came to the conclusion that the gps was okay asis Jul 08 17:39:27 Oh no, its a comedy script I have for another channel. Its all some user says, so I have it as a macro lol. Jul 08 17:39:33 My mistake Jul 08 17:39:49 DocScrutinizer - Ah Jul 08 17:40:02 bottom line is, you run a risk by OC'ing Jul 08 17:40:03 trip0: well, do it better - provide proof why it's better - and you probably can maje a point Jul 08 17:40:30 make Jul 08 17:40:32 DocScrutinizer, I bluetooth pair with my car's gps when i'm driving. that works better ;) Jul 08 17:40:47 trip0 - Wow, that sounds good Jul 08 17:40:48 * DocScrutinizer shrugs. Jul 08 17:41:19 I am just using the internal gps with the assisted gps from the cell network Jul 08 17:41:35 I am going to get Sygic maps Jul 08 17:41:44 trip0: for me this is highly uninspiring comment, as well as for Nokia EE I'd say Jul 08 17:41:59 because the Ovi Maps doesn't have the turn by turn voice navigation Jul 08 17:42:04 my car always has a fix, and it's 5Hz, so it's much better for me to pair up than to wait around for the n900's internal gps Jul 08 17:42:38 I upgraded from N97 to N900, and am shocked about the Ovi Maps but oh well Jul 08 17:42:51 trip0: isn't that what is explained in the user manual booklet that came with N900? Jul 08 17:42:53 n97 has ovi navigation? Jul 08 17:43:06 Yeah Jul 08 17:43:10 oh, bummer Jul 08 17:43:13 that sucks Jul 08 17:43:39 DocScrutinizer, user manual? you mean that thing that I use to start my grill? Jul 08 17:43:44 N97 has better Ovi Maps than N900 by far. Also has a digital compass :D Jul 08 17:43:59 Ovi Maps is the only thing that is better obviously though ;) Jul 08 17:44:08 digital compass would be nice Jul 08 17:44:20 Agreed Jul 08 17:44:55 let's connect a usb compass Jul 08 17:44:59 we just need usb host Jul 08 17:45:06 heh Jul 08 17:45:10 yeah, i wish usb host worked Jul 08 17:45:13 kerio: yawn Jul 08 17:45:21 trip0: me too Jul 08 17:47:03 Me too Jul 08 17:47:27 i never saw a conclusion on that... was it actually a hardware issue that makes that not work? Jul 08 17:47:30 isn't there an app that is allowing the usbhost support now though? Jul 08 17:47:31 or a buggy driver? Jul 08 17:47:50 technomike, i didn't think that actually worked though? Jul 08 17:48:03 Not sure at all Jul 08 17:48:11 Just seen it on the net Jul 08 17:48:41 * DocScrutinizer cackles sarcastically Jul 08 17:48:52 DocScrutinizer: heh Jul 08 17:52:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host Jul 08 17:53:05 * GAN900 chuckles at http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=744240&postcount=28 Jul 08 17:53:16 Actually, yes, that was a factor. . . . Jul 08 17:55:26 hmm? Jul 08 17:56:06 DocScrutinizer: hmmhmm Jul 08 17:56:14 we had quite a lot of problems - building _free_ hardware never been one of them Jul 08 17:56:31 DocScrutinizer: free hardware would be cool Jul 08 17:57:00 it's a shame that matter can't be created Jul 08 17:57:37 * DocScrutinizer drowns kerio in free beer Jul 08 17:58:09 noooo! i'm a non-drinker! glugluglu Jul 08 17:59:58 * D-Iivil feels himself as a man, a real man. He's been fixing the car for last couple of hours. Jul 08 18:00:00 GAN900: actually marketing and the closed parts of SW development were the big problem, quite similar to what I see at Nokia now Jul 08 18:00:19 * D-Iivil is really not a car fixer dude normally Jul 08 18:00:47 and of course management Jul 08 18:00:55 it's always the management :-P Jul 08 18:01:49 is anyone using the dates app on diablo with syncevolution? Jul 08 18:02:19 moo konttori Jul 08 18:09:51 bah, i hate these buttons on the headset >_< Jul 08 18:25:26 sar3th - What headset are you using? Jul 08 18:25:44 DocScrutinizer: Do you know if Nokis is going to enable MMS on N900 ever? Jul 08 18:26:19 technomike: i got a Nokia WH-701 Stereo Headset Jul 08 18:26:26 DocScrutinizer, and the fact that the hardware was AT LEAST a generation out of date from the start to be open didn't play a part? :P Jul 08 18:26:41 but it's not working with maemo's music player (yet) Jul 08 18:28:05 adna: search in HAM for fMMS Jul 08 18:28:21 adna: or ask frals Jul 08 18:28:45 GAN900: not really Jul 08 18:28:51 technomike: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B002OM7VP4/ref=oss_product Jul 08 18:28:55 GAN900: IMO - managment was the much, much larger issue. Jul 08 18:29:00 DocScrutinizer: Thanks. I have fMMS, but can't get it to work. Hoping there's another app... Jul 08 18:29:18 adna: ask frals Jul 08 18:29:25 GAN900: I've argued several times that xmas 2007 - you could have had a bugfixed neo1073 for sale with a stack that worked for phonecalls and texts. Jul 08 18:29:47 GAN900: But they started chasing shiny stuff that were some way off in the future. Jul 08 18:29:58 And turned out eventually to not actually be that shiny. Jul 08 18:30:26 and did all that in a anti-community closed way Jul 08 18:30:32 just like Nokia Jul 08 18:30:46 In some ways, yes. Jul 08 18:32:25 well, the missing 3G did it's part, but then we had a pricetag, and 3G you pay royalties for each sold device Jul 08 18:33:47 and that's a hefty xx% of the devices sales price - so we even considered to sell the device without modem, and sell a separate modem kit to plug in Jul 08 18:34:57 armv4t didn't play a role? :P Jul 08 18:35:04 damn, s/it's/its/ Jul 08 18:35:15 neither Jul 08 18:35:26 Speaking as a person who considered the device, the absolutely useless oldness of it at the time turned me off. Jul 08 18:35:38 what's wrong with armv4? Jul 08 18:35:54 Especially since I had something leaps and bounds ahead of it in the 770 and N800 Jul 08 18:36:00 It was old and slow. Jul 08 18:36:08 in the end it's not the hardware but the user experience you buy Jul 08 18:36:23 And the hardware plays a role in that Jul 08 18:36:41 in some point maybe Jul 08 18:37:22 not in the case of GTA02 though, as far as armv4 is involved. Glamo was a fatal misshap Jul 08 18:37:32 "A telescopic implant that fits directly into the eye to treat certain kinds of blindness has finally received FDA approval for use in the US" Jul 08 18:37:38 Hardware dictates a large part of what you can deliver. Jul 08 18:37:40 GTA01 has still faster gfx than gta02 Jul 08 18:37:44 (but is it gonna have a huge red LED?) Jul 08 18:39:36 GAN900: for the original proposition of OM failed due to building open hardware: NO! definitely not, not even partially Jul 08 18:40:41 GAN900: nota bene the hardwate wasn't even "open" until I managed to finally convince them so I may publish the schematics Jul 08 18:42:20 so quite until several months after GTA02 rollout OM wasn't building 'open' hardware. It just built a device with open *software* (aka linux) and I don't think there's so much difference in gta01 openmoko and late maemo Jul 08 18:42:49 Someone mentioned an N64 emulator running smooth on N900. If this is the case, how come PSX emulator doesn't run so smooth yet? Jul 08 18:43:35 hmm...n64 emu smooth? Jul 08 18:44:06 sounds nice :) Jul 08 18:44:54 Yea, really, why doesn't it run smooth? Jul 08 18:45:03 I'd just think you would need some proper gamepad too.. Jul 08 18:45:03 I mean, the guy who wrote it must be lame, right? Jul 08 18:45:07 DocScrutinizer: have you tried it? Jul 08 18:50:01 DocScrutinizer: nevermind, leave it Jul 08 18:55:42 huh, I just noticed the n900 has weird grey levels. I have a plain area that increases and increases/decreases rgb by 1 every 1/30 seconds from 40 to 160 (glowing animation) and I see shades of dark-greyish-purple and dark-greyish-green alternating Jul 08 18:55:59 you wouldn't notice if it wasn't animated Jul 08 18:56:10 have anybody checked what is the maximum lenght of lock code? Jul 08 18:57:37 jacekowski: too short :/ Jul 08 18:58:05 jacekowski: want me to quickly check? Jul 08 18:58:34 sure Jul 08 18:58:50 10 digits Jul 08 18:59:46 so it's 10^10 Jul 08 19:02:21 frals: Do you know where I can find settings for fMMS for N. America T-Mobile? (v. 1.1.9) Jul 08 19:03:38 adna - Do you really use MMS to send photos and stuff often? Jul 08 19:04:11 of course he does not - wouldn't ask about the settings if it worked for him Jul 08 19:04:21 wait... mms doens't work? Jul 08 19:04:25 Hahaha, good point :P Jul 08 19:04:39 But just curious. Jul 08 19:05:18 technomike: I used to all the time but can't now because N900 came with no MMS Jul 08 19:05:35 I hadn't noticed but that kinda sucks Jul 08 19:05:45 some people use fMMS for that Jul 08 19:06:11 adna - Damn, its a real puzzlement why N900 doesn't have it natively supported Jul 08 19:06:29 fMMS apparently works for some, but I can't get it to work in N. America w/ T-Mobile. Jul 08 19:07:03 technomike: I know, right? Does anybody know if Nokia plans a native MMS app? Jul 08 19:08:20 DocScrutinizer, I think the technology impact of relying on open hardware had an effect, though. Jul 08 19:11:01 I get the error: http://nitapps.com/dists/diablo/user/binary-armel/Packages.gz 301 Moved Permanently Jul 08 19:11:08 anyone know where it moved to? Jul 08 19:11:23 (btw, that's an apt-get update error) Jul 08 19:12:47 unixSnob, I get 200 OK there Jul 08 19:12:54 try again? Jul 08 19:13:29 mgedmin: thanks for testing.. I'll try again Jul 08 19:13:37 GAN900: Your prayers have been answered. I flipped the arrow in FBReader. Jul 08 19:14:23 mgedmin: i still get that error Jul 08 19:15:14 mgedmin: also, if I point my browser to the parent folder, it's not there.. so it's a surprize that it works for you Jul 08 19:16:16 Good afternoon. Jul 08 19:16:25 unixSnob, *shrug*, http://pastie.org/1036433 Jul 08 19:16:35 I'm stupid Jul 08 19:16:45 didn't notice the first request that did result in 301 Jul 08 19:16:53 (terminal window wasn't high enough) Jul 08 19:17:16 I was wondering if is there a place where com.nokia.mafw is documented? I'm looking for a notification/signal that allows me to known if the player has stopped. :-) Jul 08 19:17:35 MMS sucks Jul 08 19:19:24 i don't get how someone could *miss* that Jul 08 19:20:07 mgedmin: so you have the same problem? Jul 08 19:20:25 yes, and the new URL was buried in the middle of that paste I gave you Jul 08 19:20:36 change nitapps.com to nitstuff.appspot.com Jul 08 19:20:36 ah, sorry Jul 08 19:22:51 strange.. my /etc/apt/sources.list file is empty Jul 08 19:23:26 nvm Jul 08 19:23:40 it's in the app manager gui as a "catalog" Jul 08 19:23:53 RST38h, thank you. Jul 08 19:24:07 GAN900: + I have found a reasonably bulletproof way to flip pages with a finger Jul 08 19:24:11 RST38h, I tap it expecting it to go the other way every day. Jul 08 19:24:37 GAN900: I added an option to only flip pages when you drag a finger up or down the page Jul 08 19:25:01 Works like a charm, way better than that hideously unreliable click check Jul 08 19:25:46 i want to use the CCD to snap photos... any apps for that? my search came up empty Jul 08 19:26:05 huh... there's a builtin one Jul 08 19:26:20 hi Jul 08 19:26:41 removing xchat prefs helps in useing :) Jul 08 19:27:23 if you have got an old set of prefs it does Jul 08 19:27:33 RST38h, I still find it hilarious that you became accidental maintainer of a Fremantle Stars project. Jul 08 19:27:38 the latest xchat is configured to autogenerate a sane config Jul 08 19:27:44 RST38h, seen any of the mythical Nokia support? ;) Jul 08 19:27:53 thats why I killed it Jul 08 19:28:02 GAN900: I have never asked for Nokia support and never done this for publicity reasons Jul 08 19:28:05 mine was insane and borked Jul 08 19:28:14 GAN900: Just want to have a working bookreader that I can use Jul 08 19:31:38 kerio: I don't see how. the "internet call" app doesn't show anything that would seem to save the image to a file Jul 08 19:32:03 oh, the front camera? Jul 08 19:32:35 kerio: i have an n800.. it only has one camera Jul 08 19:32:56 oh Jul 08 19:33:07 the... camera application? Jul 08 19:33:21 it sounds weird that it doesn't have one Jul 08 19:34:02 kerio: i wouldn't call it a camera app.. it's a VOIP app that has a camera feature Jul 08 19:34:23 kerio: "internet call" is the app that launches by default when I eject the CCD Jul 08 19:35:50 What does CCD mean? Jul 08 19:36:52 charge coupled device Jul 08 19:37:38 Ah thanks Jul 08 19:39:09 "internet call", gizmo5, and mbarcode all support the CCD, but none of them seem to offer the simple capability of saving the image to a file. Jul 08 19:47:39 gstreamer can Jul 08 19:47:41 unixSnob: Jul 08 19:48:59 /usr/bin/gst-launch v4l2camsrc device=/dev/video0 num-buffers=1 \! video/x-raw-yuv,width=2592,height=1968 \! ffmpegcolorspace \! jpegenc\! filesink location=/home/user/MyDocs/capture/test.jpg Jul 08 19:55:30 SpeedEvil: thanks.. when I searched w/ apt-cache for gstreamer, knips appeared.. looks like that's what i need Jul 08 19:57:09 never again will I be in a bar, trying a new wine or beer, too drunk or lazy to scribble the name down Jul 08 19:57:31 just need to be functional enough to snap a pic of the label Jul 08 19:59:31 can anyone help me with nokia f-bus? Jul 08 19:59:31 what's wrong with the camera app? Jul 08 19:59:46 open the slider, press button, close slider Jul 08 19:59:52 how do i start syslog, i dont have /etc/init.d/sysklogd ? Jul 08 19:59:55 SpeedEvil: hey Jul 08 20:00:06 apt-get install syslog Jul 08 20:00:09 or syslogd Jul 08 20:00:10 i do have susklogd installed though. How does syslog daemon start? Jul 08 20:00:21 SpeedEvil: is the nokia f-bus 3.3V ? Jul 08 20:00:47 SpeedEvil: i do have syslogd installed but dont have /etc/init.d/sysklogd? Jul 08 20:00:47 SpeedEvil: apparently the n800/maemo 2008 doesn't have a camera app Jul 08 20:01:11 SpeedEvil: and it looks like knips doesn't work Jul 08 20:01:16 oh - sorry - n900 people seem to be a majority here recently Jul 08 20:01:19 doesn't find the camera Jul 08 20:01:27 SpeedEvil: syslog is indeed writing to /var/log/syslog but there is no init script, how is it starting? Jul 08 20:01:52 SpeedEvil: i'm holding off until a multisim version emerges Jul 08 20:02:12 everytime i need a fresh syslog, i have to rm /var/log/syslog and then reboot :( Jul 08 20:03:43 can somebody with PR1.2 and sysklogd confirm that they have /etc/init.d/syslogd? Jul 08 20:04:05 how do i check files provided by sysklogd package using apt? Jul 08 20:04:18 s/check/list Jul 08 20:06:51 crap, gentoo's equery is so much better Jul 08 20:07:03 anybody expert on apt here? Jul 08 20:08:46 "expert" ? Jul 08 20:08:49 trumee: if you have the .deb still, dpkg -c file.deb will list the contents and their location Jul 08 20:09:14 ml-mobile: i have sysklogd install. i want to print the list of files provided by sysklogd Jul 08 20:09:30 i dont have the deb file. Jul 08 20:09:31 dpkg -s Jul 08 20:09:43 dpkg -S Jul 08 20:09:53 Or cat the .list file in /var/lib/dpkg/info Jul 08 20:10:03 or that :) Jul 08 20:10:41 Appiah: thanks. that did it. Jul 08 20:10:44 np Jul 08 20:11:13 Ok, sysklogd doesnt provide /etc/init.d/sysklog instead it provides cron entries Jul 08 20:11:50 grep "/etc/init.d/sysklog" /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list Jul 08 20:14:08 hmm. start sysklogd works. all good Jul 08 20:23:42 a dual-sim n900? Jul 08 20:24:23 kerio: ? Jul 08 20:24:33 Appiah: unixSnob said something about that Jul 08 20:24:39 kerio - Its the fake china replica. But there is a dual-sim adapter for N900 Jul 08 20:24:43 Oh Jul 08 20:24:56 he may have been talking about something else then Jul 08 20:30:10 i said I'm /waiting/ for a multi-sim NIT to emerge.. AFAIK, they don't exist Jul 08 20:30:44 all single sim phones can take an adapter, generally, but only one sim can be active at a time Jul 08 20:31:06 I've not yet seen a double SIM 3G phone Jul 08 20:31:25 china has some triple standby phones (that is, 3 sims active at once).. but the chinese phones are hard to trust Jul 08 20:31:29 SpeedEvil: i thought the nokia C2 was 3g Jul 08 20:32:02 Samsung makes some dual-sim phones, but the OS isn't maemo or android, so I'm going to pass on that too Jul 08 20:32:06 hmm, maybe not Jul 08 20:33:28 turns out there is a generic camera app out there for the n800.. can't believe I missed it. I simply had to run "apt-get install camera" Jul 08 20:33:40 and the camera app works (knips does not) Jul 08 20:35:50 DocScrutinizer: well, if you use my program - jacekowski.org/read_code it will return code stored in cal - that code is generated with crypt("number","hq") Jul 08 20:36:15 DocScrutinizer: i'm generating tables for that at the moment so i'll be able to crack these codes Jul 08 20:37:18 hey people! Jul 08 20:37:34 I need some help in development for Maemo devices Jul 08 20:38:34 i've made a MaemoTurbo.sh, but I really don't know how to convert to a .deb package. I'm a newbie in linux development, but i'm an advanced development in Windows Jul 08 20:38:38 thanks in advance Jul 08 20:39:13 you want to package a script? Jul 08 20:39:23 what does the script do? Jul 08 20:39:30 ooooh! Jul 08 20:39:33 Hey I got VLC installed... it works ok -- but I'm just wondering is there anyway to overclock an N900 - or squeeze any extra performance out of the hardware some how? (just to know what the options are - not sure if I'll actually do it) Jul 08 20:39:38 Has anyone packaged john the ripper? Jul 08 20:39:45 Lantizia: it's possible Jul 08 20:39:50 SpeedEvil, yeah, i did Jul 08 20:39:58 DocScrutinizer: my file is little to big now Jul 08 20:39:59 but unfortunately it fell down a well Jul 08 20:40:01 joga, what are the options? Jul 08 20:41:10 oh, sorry, i went to bwc Jul 08 20:41:18 Lantizia, overclocking is definitely possible, but not necessarily recommended Jul 08 20:41:32 it performs an optimization of maemo kernel (fremantle and diablo) Jul 08 20:41:32 joga, ok how is it possible - some kind of app? Jul 08 20:41:50 Lantizia: see the maemo wiki for details about that Jul 08 20:41:59 a script to optimize the kernel and make an new and different kind of swap Jul 08 20:42:01 basically you'll boot another kernel Jul 08 20:42:14 tuliobaars, umm, I can help but not sure how that can be done without using a different kernel Jul 08 20:42:16 no, just make the original kernel better Jul 08 20:42:28 tuliobaars, he's talking to a different guy Jul 08 20:42:55 hum? Jul 08 20:43:03 ahh, sorry Jul 08 20:43:33 ok, mohammad Jul 08 20:43:43 lemme switch to my lappy Jul 08 20:44:18 here i have a DiabloTurbo in portuguese, to N8x0 devices... i wanna make a deb package Jul 08 20:44:23 could you help me? Jul 08 20:44:39 private? Jul 08 20:44:50 sec Jul 08 20:44:58 tuliobaars, joga: This "Enhanced Linux kernel for power users" ? Jul 08 20:45:23 tuliobaars, if I was trying to do this, I'd start here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing#Creating_Debian_Packages and then I'd download the source for fmboost, because I know that's basically just a .sh script too Jul 08 20:45:27 Lantizia, I guess so. there were a few options I think Jul 08 20:45:53 Lantizia, but I do hope you read all the "why not overclock" sides of the story too :) Jul 08 20:46:15 ShadowJK: n8x0 devices, not maemo 5 Jul 08 20:46:23 ShadowJK, i wanna start with n8x0 devices Jul 08 20:46:32 until I buy a N900 Jul 08 20:47:16 I suspect the same thing is also found under maemo.org -> developmnet -> maemo4 platform guide ? Jul 08 20:47:37 i've read all documentation, and translated to portuguese Jul 08 20:47:59 its avaible on my maemo blog: http://ttablet.blogspot.com Jul 08 20:51:27 DocScrutinizer: correction - salt is random Jul 08 20:54:28 ShadowJK Jul 08 20:54:44 fmboost, I don't see how it works :S Jul 08 20:54:48 tcpdump and wireshark kill the network on my N900 Jul 08 20:55:21 i am trying to diagnose sip connection with power saving "off". But tcpdump/wireshark kill my connection after a few seconds :( Jul 08 20:55:39 i dont know how to debug now. Jul 08 20:55:50 no radio I have ever used recieves frequencies above 108mhz Jul 08 20:56:14 could this be a router problem (wrt54gl running tomato)? With power saving on tcpdump works fine Jul 08 20:56:23 yet the fmboost claims to boost transmission above 108, but how is any radio supposed to pick the signal up Jul 08 20:56:33 Or am I missing something? :S Jul 08 20:56:59 technomike: 108 is a power setting in arbitrary units. Jul 08 20:57:04 It is not a frequency Jul 08 20:57:48 N900 is the crappiest phone for sip calls. I curse the day when i bought it Jul 08 20:58:06 N95 rocks for sip calls. but N900 is shit. Jul 08 20:58:35 SpeedEvil - Ahhhhhh! Jul 08 20:58:46 don't say this about a Maemo device! Jul 08 20:58:52 SpeedEvil - So the fmboost script improves the fm transmitter power? Jul 08 20:58:57 i thought N900 was supposed to be good fro voip. But now i have to carry an N95 just to make sip calls Jul 08 20:59:03 i think we have troll in the building Jul 08 20:59:06 trumee: lol Jul 08 20:59:12 tuliobaars: criticism is allowed Jul 08 20:59:18 In what way is it shit? Jul 08 20:59:31 i dont what is wrong here, is sofia-sip crap or is wifi implementation bad Jul 08 20:59:35 sorry? i didn't understand you Jul 08 20:59:53 SpeedEvil: The voice get minced after 5 seconds of sip call on wifi Jul 08 20:59:55 technomike: yes Jul 08 21:00:06 never done SIP Jul 08 21:00:14 you've tried turning wifi powersave off? Jul 08 21:00:27 I've had nothing but success with sip over wifi or 3g Jul 08 21:00:29 SpeedEvil: i am using tomato firmware on linksys wrt54gl. yes i have tried disabling power saving Jul 08 21:00:37 guys, do me a favour Jul 08 21:00:40 ~. Jul 08 21:00:41 . Jul 08 21:00:49 ~botsnack Jul 08 21:00:49 kerio: thanks Jul 08 21:01:01 Man, not my day ... Jul 08 21:01:04 asj_: what router do you use? Jul 08 21:01:05 if the AP doesn't implement power-savings poll correctly it'll destroy the data stream Jul 08 21:01:25 some random belkin thing Jul 08 21:01:45 I use a shitty dynamode ADSL+wifi router Jul 08 21:01:48 i am happy to change my router. i have tried dd-wrt and tomato on linksys wrt54gl. you cant go better than this Jul 08 21:02:08 WEll - ... Jul 08 21:02:19 who are you talking to? Jul 08 21:02:25 maybe it's a problem on their end Jul 08 21:02:27 The powersaving implementation on the router is typically not in the opensourced but Jul 08 21:02:35 it's in the wifi firmware Jul 08 21:02:58 you mean i should stick with stock linksys firmware? Jul 08 21:03:41 no Jul 08 21:03:54 I mean that the tomato or whatever firmware is quite irrelevant Jul 08 21:04:08 ah, i see what you mean. Jul 08 21:04:12 as the important bit WRT wifi-powersave is not typically in the kernel at all - but in the wifi driver Jul 08 21:04:33 SpeedEvil: that's potentially a lot of data for the radio to hold...would make sense to have OS help, but I know the drivers I worked on 8 years ago sure didn't do anything OS side. Jul 08 21:05:48 SpeedEvil, asj_: i have setup pjsip in auto-pickup mode. could either of you call a sip number to test how it works for you? Jul 08 21:05:53 it typically doesn't buffer significant amounts. Jul 08 21:06:03 Don't have sip setup ATM Jul 08 21:06:13 and my internet is iffy Jul 08 21:06:15 it is actually a ebook Jul 08 21:06:30 hey, could somebody just say how to compile a script to an .deb package? Jul 08 21:06:31 SpeedEvil: no problem Jul 08 21:07:04 and mine sip provider only goes outbound, I can't do blah@domain Jul 08 21:07:38 i was hoping to make tcpdump of the call. But when i use tcpdump or wireshark the network on N900 craps out Jul 08 21:07:46 asj_: no worries Jul 08 21:08:04 trumee: that's odd, I've used it for exactly that an dI thought it worked Jul 08 21:08:28 though...it may have been before pr1.2 Jul 08 21:08:36 ooh, trumee you have pr1.2 right Jul 08 21:08:39 tuliobaars: you need a simple tutorial on deb packaging Jul 08 21:08:53 asj_: this is with power saving disabled. if i turn power saving 'on' tcpdump works fine Jul 08 21:09:00 aah Jul 08 21:09:10 yeah, i guess Jul 08 21:09:22 trumee: oh, are you using a bt headset Jul 08 21:09:24 could this be a problem of the router rather than N900 Jul 08 21:09:24 * lbt wonders if the ease of use of debhelper7 wins over the "how do I install it for maemo" Jul 08 21:09:30 asj_: no bt is off Jul 08 21:09:50 trumee: do you have 3g? try a sip call over that Jul 08 21:10:03 asj_: 3g call works fine. no problem there Jul 08 21:10:12 do a 3g sip call Jul 08 21:10:24 asj_: sorry i meant 3g sip call works fine Jul 08 21:10:49 asj_: it is only wifi sip calls which dont work well Jul 08 21:11:12 trumee: ah ok, and how many close neighbors do you have? the 50 aps you see when you scan might not help ;) Jul 08 21:11:34 asj_: i am setting next to the router. Jul 08 21:11:42 asj_: i have a hunch though. Jul 08 21:12:05 trumee: start aircrack Jul 08 21:12:10 disable every other wifi router in the area Jul 08 21:12:12 trumee: doesn't matter, if it's really congested (or if the microwave is going all the time) it'll squash everything Jul 08 21:13:04 asj_: ok i just did a scan. i am the only one on 2.472Ghz frequency. Jul 08 21:13:23 Tjat onlu picks up wifi Jul 08 21:13:35 what does dispersion on ping yourrouter look like? Jul 08 21:13:50 The sip device is quite far away. could that be a problem? Jul 08 21:14:03 dunno Jul 08 21:14:45 Because there is no problem with N95 or linksys SPA3102 i have. But N900 produces lot of jitter and then audio stops Jul 08 21:15:22 trumee: I have the opposite problem, n97 has trouble, n900 is fine :| Jul 08 21:15:29 trumee: linksys and n900 are no go Jul 08 21:15:50 jacekowski: what do you mean? Jul 08 21:15:59 hmm Jul 08 21:16:04 linksys wifi Jul 08 21:16:07 my linksys works fine Jul 08 21:16:23 jacekowski: is there any other router which i should use for sip calls? Jul 08 21:16:24 mine doesn't Jul 08 21:16:37 trumee: make gsm calls Jul 08 21:16:46 lol Jul 08 21:17:05 jacekowski: i dont have any problem with internet. it is only that sip calls dont work Jul 08 21:17:51 SpeedEvil: ping to router is min/avg/max= 2.258/3.357/21.363 ms Jul 08 21:18:05 that doesn't ook too terrible Jul 08 21:18:37 ah shit Jul 08 21:18:39 well 20ms jitter Jul 08 21:18:41 just to 1st hop Jul 08 21:18:44 battery went from 1/4 to 0 Jul 08 21:18:44 that' bad Jul 08 21:18:46 that's Jul 08 21:18:50 jacekowski: do you have problems with sip calls as well? Jul 08 21:19:11 jacekowski: on linksys router i mean? Jul 08 21:19:16 jacekowski: with powersaving on that's not bad Jul 08 21:19:30 That sounds unlikely with powersave Jul 08 21:19:32 well, i don't do sip Jul 08 21:19:34 asj_: powersaving is off Jul 08 21:19:42 but i had packet loss Jul 08 21:19:45 and that sort of shit Jul 08 21:19:57 no nstx port? Jul 08 21:19:57 WRT330N here, stock firmware, SIP works fine Jul 08 21:20:12 MohammadAG: sip on wifi? Jul 08 21:20:17 trumee: ah, huh. I would turn it back on, it'll kill the bat in ~2 hours otherwise Jul 08 21:20:20 yes Jul 08 21:20:24 mostly skype Jul 08 21:20:26 (so it's useless either way) Jul 08 21:21:01 MohammadAG: do you have sip connection on atm. would you mind calling a sip number, it will play back an ebook to you :) Jul 08 21:21:37 DocScrutinizer: code-reset in repo Jul 08 21:22:09 asj_: sip implementation between N95 and N900 is very different. N95 works very well with sip calls on the linksys router Jul 08 21:22:22 trumee, right now no Jul 08 21:22:27 I'm offline on all networks Jul 08 21:24:46 i need to be sure if this is a router problem. i will happily change the router. But dont want to buy another router which doesnt work Jul 08 21:25:53 trumee: can you borrow one from someone? or you can do usb networking? Jul 08 21:26:28 asj_: usb networking. that is a nice thought. i could try sip calls on usb networking? Jul 08 21:27:00 I can't see why it wouldn't work, might need a bit of futzing with the routing table...but easy Jul 08 21:28:10 Or PAN Jul 08 21:28:43 SpeedEvil: PAN is bluetooth? Jul 08 21:28:51 yes Jul 08 21:28:57 I forgot what you were trying to do Jul 08 21:29:18 SpeedEvil: make sip calls on something else than wifi Jul 08 21:30:17 asj_: do i have to do anything on the host computer as well for usb networking? Jul 08 21:31:34 trumee: yes, at very least it has to forward packets (you'll have to configure usb0, and /proc/sys/net/ipv4_forward) and probably have to turn on nat Jul 08 21:32:13 or bridge Jul 08 21:32:32 assuming it's not doing wifi Jul 08 21:32:49 thanks i am going to check this out then. Jul 08 21:33:23 although i would still like to create logs for nokia devs with tcpdump. Jul 08 21:33:54 i will flash to dd-wrt on wrt54gl as a start. Jul 08 21:35:05 who here wants an OBS account? Ideally you'd know what osc is and can prove to me you're trustworthy. Then we can see about getting them beta test accounts if they want to help fix issues Jul 08 21:35:09 ~openness Jul 08 21:35:10 it has been said that openness is http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html Jul 08 21:35:11 ~thanks Jul 08 21:35:11 pas de quoi, MohammadAG Jul 08 21:35:33 http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder Jul 08 21:36:11 Openness is a little known member of the family portrayed in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxjqMZd-BVE Jul 08 21:37:55 SpeedEvil: disturbing Jul 08 21:38:21 (nb the OBS will replace the autobuilder for maemo - it'd be nice to get some help making it work) Jul 08 21:41:15 hi Jul 08 21:43:15 lbt: (on trust) http://xkcd.com/364/ (alas - I know nothing about OSC) Jul 08 21:43:38 heh ... indeed Jul 08 21:44:53 SpeedEvil: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building now you do... Jul 08 21:49:01 hello Jul 08 21:51:05 Uhm Jul 08 21:51:19 I have a problem whit apt-get dist-upgrade on my n900 Jul 08 21:51:32 does someone know how to use pypacker? I installed it but it's nowhere. And I'm totally clueless, it doesn't say anything in the wiki that makes any sense Jul 08 21:51:57 The Output is: python2.5-minimal: Depends: pymaemo-optify but it is not going to be installed Jul 08 21:52:20 Can someone give my a tip? Jul 08 21:55:30 lbt, does the meego sdk sit alongside scratchbox or are there any issues Jul 08 21:55:59 sits alongside Jul 08 21:56:18 you can't arm in them simultaneously though Jul 08 21:56:33 s/arm/run arm binaries/ Jul 08 21:56:34 lbt meant: you can't run arm binaries in them simultaneously though Jul 08 21:57:05 i dont need to run in the sdk, just have requirements to maintain scratchbox Jul 08 21:57:22 not a problem... Jul 08 21:57:28 does the sdk contain its own little OBS? Jul 08 21:57:43 or does all this obs stuff occur on a big stage Jul 08 21:57:58 * lcuk likes to learn new games quietly Jul 08 21:58:10 it downloads all the packages you need to compile Jul 08 21:58:16 then it all happens locally Jul 08 21:58:22 actually Jul 08 21:58:30 when you send a job to the OBS Jul 08 21:58:40 it goes to a worker machine Jul 08 21:58:48 which "downloads all the packages you need to compile" Jul 08 21:59:00 and then runs the compile 'locally' on the worker machine Jul 08 21:59:15 so they're the same Jul 08 21:59:36 so that would allow someone to instantly be trying to build a meego spec file for (for instance) mplayer Jul 08 21:59:43 yes Jul 08 21:59:48 :) Jul 08 21:59:51 yes Jul 08 22:00:00 the meego sdk should be OBS IMHO Jul 08 22:00:16 s/IMHO/IMNSHO/ Jul 08 22:00:16 lbt meant: the meego sdk should be OBS IMNSHO Jul 08 22:01:00 well we know building locally out of sight appeals to cathederal developers who might be initially put off by the notion of OBS Jul 08 22:01:14 OBS? Jul 08 22:01:18 its like maemo autobuilder, we dont have people developing apps directly and using autobuilder as compiler Jul 08 22:01:22 oh, wait - we have 1 Jul 08 22:01:36 some guy who doesnt have an sdk or linux Jul 08 22:01:45 and is building his app using autobuilder as main compiler Jul 08 22:02:08 taking punch card wheelbarrows to the extreme! Jul 08 22:02:26 yeah... but the OBS is more like giving everyone a copy of the autobuilder script Jul 08 22:02:47 scratchbox is like a distro Jul 08 22:02:53 it has *everything* in it Jul 08 22:02:56 * lcuk nods Jul 08 22:03:10 OBS only gets what you build-depend on Jul 08 22:03:24 the problem developers have is time from pressing "Go" button (visual basic history) to seeing app running in place Jul 08 22:03:27 (which is a bugger if you build-depend on Qt .... to be fair) Jul 08 22:03:45 does it have caching? Jul 08 22:03:50 yes Jul 08 22:03:55 thats not so bad then Jul 08 22:04:02 yeah... a lot of this could/should be solved by appropriate cleaning Jul 08 22:04:19 not really, i know why a clean system is built each time Jul 08 22:04:39 tho i had some discussions a few weeks ago about that Jul 08 22:04:50 yes. but for each compile/test cycle it's a bit much Jul 08 22:05:16 I'm guilty of using gcc as a syntax checker ;) Jul 08 22:05:16 it would be nice to have a layered filesystem for that :) Jul 08 22:05:24 like the CD rom systems that live cds use Jul 08 22:05:34 the core system is on the read only layer Jul 08 22:05:37 there's a few approaches that will work Jul 08 22:05:43 and only the modifications are written for your build Jul 08 22:06:13 point same bottom layer at a clean top layer to start a new build Jul 08 22:06:39 yeah - or snapshots... Jul 08 22:06:55 just thinking amount of data that has to be moved Jul 08 22:07:11 but its just beer time discussions :P Jul 08 22:07:38 nah - there are 2/3 different solutions to that in it already Jul 08 22:08:16 cool! Jul 08 22:08:26 how long does it take for a normal app to come through all built? Jul 08 22:08:50 heh....http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/Application_Building Jul 08 22:08:51 considering for all but the most stubborn user apps its <5mins Jul 08 22:09:48 It's not blazing... Jul 08 22:10:04 especially when it makes the first chroot Jul 08 22:13:29 lbt, but what it will do is give .debs and .rpms out for all configured systems? Jul 08 22:13:38 yes Jul 08 22:13:51 hello * Jul 08 22:13:53 so if your app is to be usable on maemo5, meego handset and meego netbook it should all be good? Jul 08 22:14:00 even if your local machine is debian... yo can make fedora rpms Jul 08 22:14:07 yes Jul 08 22:14:30 lbt: Where is sybian in this? Jul 08 22:14:30 anybody know much about QR codes> Jul 08 22:14:31 ? Jul 08 22:14:37 symbian Jul 08 22:14:44 so the time lost at the start is gained back later by not having to dive into each and test Jul 08 22:14:52 SpeedEvil, thats a good point! Jul 08 22:14:57 SpeedEvil: it'll build symbian too... they just need to submit a patch Jul 08 22:15:00 a damn good point actually! Jul 08 22:15:06 ubuntu on nexus one Jul 08 22:15:14 they're beating us Jul 08 22:15:16 damn Jul 08 22:16:16 kerio, beating who? Jul 08 22:16:25 a generic "us" Jul 08 22:16:55 well just wait until android gets ported to the ubuntu portable device. oh wait Jul 08 22:19:32 anyone know about a barcode reader then? Jul 08 22:19:40 mbarcode Jul 08 22:20:14 lcuk: i'm waiting for maemo on the nexus one Jul 08 22:21:33 lcuk: is it stable? Jul 08 22:21:43 its in extras-devel Jul 08 22:23:50 mc_teo`, under development by lardman|gone Jul 08 22:30:07 DocScrutinizer: don't read the code of it - at the moment that code is a copyright violation Jul 08 22:30:28 DocScrutinizer: i'll publish whitepaper or something so somebody can make it legal Jul 08 22:30:44 the code of what? Jul 08 22:32:25 what is phisical size of the touchscreen in n900? is it equal lcd size? Jul 08 22:32:37 no Jul 08 22:32:43 It's sligltly larger Jul 08 22:32:56 maybe 10? pixels on the right Jul 08 22:35:19 * e-yes has idea about "soft" buttons Jul 08 22:35:45 SpeedEvil: of program that resets n900 lock code Jul 08 22:36:53 ah - right. Jul 08 22:36:55 Is this cal? Jul 08 22:37:10 e-yes: unfortunately - it's a tiny, tiny border. Jul 08 22:37:48 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 08 22:37:55 It would completely rock if the area outside of the screen was a seperate button area - but not Jul 08 22:37:57 night **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 08 22:47:23 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 09 00:18:14 2010 Jul 09 00:31:07 hey Jul 09 00:31:15 someone can help me? Jul 09 00:31:32 can someone compile my script? Jul 09 00:31:43 its a light one! Jul 09 00:31:56 fast and great! Jul 09 00:32:01 please! Jul 09 00:35:42 oO Jul 09 00:35:47 how to change time on n900 Jul 09 00:35:58 heyhey! Jul 09 00:36:06 Control panel, negga Jul 09 00:36:39 think before ask Jul 09 00:40:03 Okok, i think all of you are sleeping Jul 09 00:40:21 sure, a good thing to do...when we have nothing to DO! Jul 09 00:40:55 GO SLEEP IN ANOTHERPLACE!!! THIS IS AN IRC CHANNEL, NOT A MOTEL! Jul 09 00:41:46 tuliobaars, Can you tone it down a bit? Jul 09 00:43:23 yes yes, just found it strange you guys so quiet, you're usually more participatory. Jul 09 00:44:52 Well, I'm actually at work and don't have time to check my N900 #maemo all the time :) Jul 09 00:45:12 I'm at home, which is my workplace, and I don't want IRC to eat my life. :P Jul 09 00:45:39 Btw, I missed it earlier, what does your .sh do exactly? Jul 09 00:46:18 * ShadowJK still uses his N8x0 too :-) Jul 09 00:46:24 ahh, ok Jul 09 00:46:35 sure, it optimize the kernel; Jul 09 00:46:49 add some stuff to MicroB confs Jul 09 00:47:05 "optimize the kernel" sounds dubious :-) Jul 09 00:47:06 tune the metacrawler Jul 09 00:47:39 my own "optimizations" consist of increasing swappiness and shortening the dislk queue length for mmcs Jul 09 00:48:31 * tuliobaars use only my N810, cause don't have a N900 yet =D Jul 09 00:48:54 just relax and enjoy the improved device Jul 09 00:49:06 so, are you interessed? Jul 09 00:49:20 i had opened a project in garage Jul 09 00:49:20 Hey guys, did anyone has problems with PR1.2 performance? Jul 09 00:49:38 no, i guess Jul 09 00:49:47 overclock it Jul 09 00:50:30 * tuliobaars don't know anything about N900 Jul 09 00:50:42 before PR1.2 it was very fast but now my N900 is slow Jul 09 00:50:43 ptmn: Unhandled exception: different tenses mixed in one sentence: #maemo @ 02:49:20 CEST Jul 09 00:50:53 * ShadowJK has no problems with performance, default clocks Jul 09 00:50:53 ptmn: not here Jul 09 00:50:54 ptmn: you broke my english language parser! Jul 09 00:50:56 ;) Jul 09 00:51:25 arachnist: Russia cannot into spa^W english :( Jul 09 00:52:09 tuliobaars, I'm more interested in knowing what it actually does :) Jul 09 00:57:45 Does Fremantle use libnotify for notificataions? Jul 09 00:58:25 yup Jul 09 00:58:51 http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_sdk_free_source/libnotify/0.4.4-2recomp1+0m5/ Jul 09 00:59:56 b-man, Thanks Jul 09 01:32:40 I suspect the backup battery for my N800 is NFG (No Fuckin' Good)....I just bought a VOM and measured the voltage...0.6 volts....I plug in the main battery, and get about 2.5 volts on the battery (so that tells me the battery is getting the voltage it needs to charge) Jul 09 01:48:18 WormFood, is it a Nokia battery, or third-party? Jul 09 01:48:30 3rd party of course Jul 09 01:48:51 jaem, I know what you're thinking....this is not the main battery....this is the internal backup battery Jul 09 01:49:38 I didn't realize it had two. Jul 09 01:49:54 me neither, until I had problems. Jul 09 01:49:55 Or is this just a coin cell or something mounted on the board? Jul 09 01:50:05 yes....tiny little fucker Jul 09 01:50:29 I don't mean "small"....this damn thing is minute! Jul 09 01:51:11 Do you know the battery model number? Jul 09 01:51:18 no Jul 09 01:51:45 I have the original, but I'd need a magnifying glass to read any numbers off it (and I have good eyesight, and can usually read things others can't) Jul 09 01:51:55 measure the diameter and height Jul 09 01:52:05 Does it have solder pins? Jul 09 01:52:12 tabs Jul 09 01:52:31 Ay, one of those. Jul 09 01:52:31 it appears to have no markings that I can see...if they're there, then they're probably under the tabs Jul 09 01:52:48 yeah Jul 09 01:53:23 and I don't want to spend the time to go back to 华强北 to get another one....it is about an hour bus ride there and back. (and I've been there the last 2 days) Jul 09 01:54:45 WormFood, Any idea what the battery is for? Jul 09 01:54:54 to make it work right :P Jul 09 01:54:54 I assume it's backing volatile memory on some chip...? Jul 09 01:54:58 of course Jul 09 01:55:00 Heh, well, yes. Jul 09 01:55:08 I'll tell you what it does when it does not work.... Jul 09 01:55:55 the power button does not work....I insert the battery, and it comes on....there is no way to unlock it, when it locks....and when I boot with an "external" memory card, it says it is corrupt or unformatted, but if I reinsert it, it is good Jul 09 02:00:09 I wished I could get scim working with it. Last time I tried, I couldn't type anything on the "keyboard" Jul 09 02:02:33 I like the way the maemo flasher uses 100% cpu power, while looking for the device.....too bad they didn't make that multi-threaded, to take advantage of my quad core cpu, so it can find the device faster ;) Jul 09 02:02:48 scim? which language? Jul 09 02:03:19 中文 ;) Jul 09 02:03:29 chinese Jul 09 02:03:45 WormFood, haha... sure. Jul 09 02:04:36 now I gotta stay on top of the n800, so it does not lock the screen, or I'll never get it unlocked (until I reboot), because I'm installing packages Jul 09 02:05:19 I bought a new digital VOM yesterday....cost less than $5 USD....I did some searching on the web, and everyone else is paying about $15 for it ;-) Jul 09 02:06:10 now I need to get a decent temp controlled solder iron (that will probably cost me about $20....there are advantages to living in China when it comes to this type of stuff) Jul 09 02:06:44 WormFood, If you install Advanced Backlight, I think it allow you to disable dimming/lock. Jul 09 02:07:36 WormFood, Also, on the topic of electronics equipment, have you seen these? http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9625 Jul 09 02:10:45 jaem, for the N800? Jul 09 02:11:19 WormFood, yes, it should be available. Jul 09 02:11:30 Let me just double-check that it does in fact have that feature, first Jul 09 02:11:35 I'll be be right back Jul 09 02:12:08 that is ok Jul 09 02:12:20 after you said that, I thought to look in the settings...I just turned it off Jul 09 02:13:12 when people see my N800, they automatically assume it is a phone, because it says "Nokia" on it....so I have to tell them it isn't a phone Jul 09 02:13:35 which confuses them, because they think Nokia only makes phones. Jul 09 02:14:43 WormFood, never mind, I was mistaken Jul 09 02:15:11 The Fremantle equivalent has that feature, but Advanced Backlight doesn't. Jul 09 02:15:30 Hrm... I thought there was something that did, though. -shrug- It's been a while since I used my N810 regularly. Jul 09 02:16:16 it probably does not have it, because it is a feature that already exists in the stock firmware Jul 09 02:16:39 Oh... well then. Jul 09 02:16:45 * jaem is embarrassed. Jul 09 02:17:01 embarrassed about what? Jul 09 02:17:21 I'm embarrassed that I didn't think to check the settings :-P Jul 09 02:18:04 * jaem is no longer embarrassed. Jul 09 02:18:09 * jaem laughs at WormFood **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 09 02:59:57 2010