**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 10 02:59:56 2010 Jul 10 05:14:26 ( why does holding shift+fn and click z/x or j/k giving both of them's fn-char) that's because of Nokia EE fsckd it up with building a decent hw matrix for kbd, with dedicated "wires" for all qualifier keys. So keeping pressed shift+Fn shorts the matrix in a way you can't distinguish between z/x or j/k, so the driver thinks both are pressed while in fact you just press j OR k Jul 10 05:15:13 Interesting... Jul 10 05:15:35 Did you determine that by deduction, or otherwise? Jul 10 05:15:41 I mean, it makes sense, but I'm curious. Jul 10 05:15:43 same problem with ctrl+shift, or ctrl+Fn, just other keypairs that get shorted Jul 10 05:15:57 I looked on the schematics Jul 10 05:16:16 DocScrutinizer, Oh, in that service manual that's floating around? Jul 10 05:16:24 * jaem meant to look through that Jul 10 05:17:12 the worst thing: Nokia had a couple of unused matrix inputs unused, which they could have assigned exclusively to the qualifier keys, at no additional cost Jul 10 05:17:56 *facepalm* Jul 10 05:18:00 oops, -1*unused Jul 10 05:18:03 hinet.net needs to die Jul 10 05:18:03 need coffee Jul 10 05:18:09 do actual people use hinet.net? Jul 10 05:18:16 or is it just a cesspool of asian spam ? Jul 10 05:19:07 jaem: the chip has 8*8 matrix. Go figure Jul 10 05:20:07 jaem: and they couldn't manage to give a separate row or col line to those 3 qualifier keys Jul 10 05:20:42 Macer: hinet.net has no A record Jul 10 05:20:49 would have left them with 5*8 for the remaining, err 30? Jul 10 05:20:57 Macer: nor CNAME for that matter Jul 10 05:22:24 arachnist: go figure Jul 10 05:22:31 heh... they have like a ton of subnets Jul 10 05:22:49 i don't think they have the A record because people would block the entire domain so they probably found a way around it Jul 10 05:26:49 luke-jr: use DNS tunnelling Jul 10 05:27:07 kerio: less efficient :) Jul 10 05:27:16 kerio: but I plan to, for regular IP Jul 10 05:27:38 nstx doesn't work though Jul 10 05:27:45 T-Mobile blocks TXT replies Jul 10 05:27:54 oh Jul 10 05:27:55 :( Jul 10 05:28:02 well, you need to encode IP addresses then Jul 10 05:28:05 yeah Jul 10 05:28:11 which has very limited bandwidth Jul 10 05:28:14 heh Jul 10 05:28:15 depending on how many A records I can return Jul 10 05:28:32 wait, what's tmob's ipv6 support? Jul 10 05:28:37 I mean I'm not talking about spending 0.20$ for some 35 diodes to get real N-key rollover. Just a simple different layout and circuit. an additional trace on the PCB. Delta-BOM == 0.00$ Jul 10 05:28:54 kerio: no idea, I'm building this with the assumption that I don't have data service Jul 10 05:29:15 (still plan to get data service, but doing this first is more fun) Jul 10 05:29:33 hmm Jul 10 05:29:45 iff I can return 256 A records per query, that gives me 768 MTU Jul 10 05:31:37 if only 16 A records per reply, 56 bytes :/ Jul 10 05:31:44 which complicates things since that's mostly header Jul 10 05:32:19 use CNAME records Jul 10 05:32:26 kerio: ah, right Jul 10 05:32:32 that was my plan, I forgot it XD Jul 10 05:32:35 moo hax0rs ;-P Jul 10 05:32:40 µ Jul 10 05:32:57 assume T-Mobile doesn't try to resolve the CNAME and return the A it resolves to Jul 10 05:33:04 but I'll find out soon enough Jul 10 05:33:10 installing Gentoo in a chroot so I can use dig Jul 10 05:33:12 :) Jul 10 05:34:06 you're aware jebba had created a rather complete debian build repo for native maemo? Jul 10 05:34:19 but I want Gentoo, not Debian Jul 10 05:34:21 :) Jul 10 05:34:26 isn't there dig in easy debian? Jul 10 05:34:37 who cares about debian? ;P Jul 10 05:34:40 Debian isn't optimized for a handheld Jul 10 05:34:52 aah so gentoo is? Jul 10 05:35:13 luke-jr: sicko... but i do have an arm device running gentoo (though it's not the N900) Jul 10 05:35:20 tbh I give a shit for a handheld-optimized dig executable Jul 10 05:35:28 DocScrutinizer: Gentoo is a meta-distribution; it is optimized for whatever you want Jul 10 05:35:34 arachnist: my N810 is Gentoo-only Jul 10 05:35:45 nice Jul 10 05:36:10 DocScrutinizer: obviously it's not *just* for dig Jul 10 05:36:10 luke-jr: aren't you oversimplifying? just a itsy tiny lil bit? Jul 10 05:36:24 DocScrutinizer, grab the van. We're going in to arrest these Gentoo punks Jul 10 05:36:33 lol Jul 10 05:36:43 * arachnist recompiles Termana on his openrd-client Jul 10 05:36:46 kerio, i have dig compiled and packaged as "dig" Jul 10 05:36:56 ~gentoo luke-jr Jul 10 05:36:56 luke-jr, are you trying to tunnel traffic through dns on your own, or use existing tools? Jul 10 05:36:57 for maemo Jul 10 05:36:58 * infobot recompiles luke-jr again Jul 10 05:37:07 ~botsnack Jul 10 05:37:07 kerio: thanks Jul 10 05:37:17 WormFood: the existing tools are blocked Jul 10 05:37:31 you tried iodine? Jul 10 05:37:39 MohammadAG51: honestly, I didn't look for dig :) Jul 10 05:37:50 you'd expect iputils Jul 10 05:37:52 it was tcpdump and a few others that made me give up on standard *nix tools in Maemo Jul 10 05:37:56 yeah, iproute2 Jul 10 05:38:07 ~botsnack Jul 10 05:38:07 :), kerio Jul 10 05:38:07 but busybox is too fucked up to allow iputils to install Jul 10 05:38:18 MohammadAG51: iputils is distinct from iproute2? Jul 10 05:38:29 my router (with Busybox) has iproute2... Jul 10 05:38:43 not sure what iproute2 is, but iputils* has all net binaries in ubuntu Jul 10 05:38:49 so i packaged that Jul 10 05:38:51 iproute2 is the 'ip' command Jul 10 05:39:01 oh, then yeah, it's not the same Jul 10 05:39:45 I installed my N800 OS to my flash (sd) card, and I didn't have to make any partitions, like all the instructions tell you to do....but, i'm not able to activate a swap file through the GUI (should be able to it on the command line) Jul 10 05:40:05 Oh hai, WormFood Jul 10 05:40:18 hi jaem Jul 10 05:40:22 I don't get why Maemo 5 still uses all the obsolete *nix tools Jul 10 05:40:28 ifconfig, route, apt, etc Jul 10 05:40:28 Doesn't the GUI make a swapfile, rather than a partition? Jul 10 05:40:34 hey, it's maemo! Jul 10 05:40:39 lol Jul 10 05:40:41 it does not make a partition, it uses a swap file Jul 10 05:40:45 apt isn't obsolete Jul 10 05:40:58 but either way, it won't do it with the way I installed it. Jul 10 05:41:08 MohammadAG51: has been in Debian for years at least Jul 10 05:41:13 MohammadAG51: aptitude has replaced it Jul 10 05:41:21 luke-jr, i compiled aptitude Jul 10 05:41:25 WormFood, that's what I was asking. I'm not sure about the N800, but IIRC the N810 stores the swap file on one of the cards (internal) Jul 10 05:41:33 but it's kinda borked (libcwidget is actually) Jul 10 05:41:41 Could it be that your setup is just confusing it? -shrug- Jul 10 05:41:42 jaem: N810 doesn't have swap by default at all Jul 10 05:41:53 luke-jr, I know, but you can create one automagically Jul 10 05:42:05 in the settings dialog that WormFood was talking about. Jul 10 05:42:13 o rly? Jul 10 05:42:31 oh well Jul 10 05:42:37 I just finished moving my N900 swap to MicroSD Jul 10 05:42:38 luke-jr, imho, aptitude isn't all that great Jul 10 05:42:44 it's a bit confusing tbh Jul 10 05:42:45 which is faster, and replacable Jul 10 05:43:02 MohammadAG51: aptitude uses all the same commands as apt, except you don't have to guess at which apt-* prefix to use Jul 10 05:43:21 luke-jr, oh, only tried the UI part of it Jul 10 05:43:35 oh top of that, aptitude tracks dependencies correctly Jul 10 05:43:40 when removing packages Jul 10 05:44:04 on top* Jul 10 05:44:09 luke-jr, then install it :) Jul 10 05:44:17 it works, the UI is what's broken Jul 10 05:44:23 package name is aptitude Jul 10 05:45:00 luke-jr, which class is your card? Jul 10 05:45:14 And are there specs for the eMMC posted somewhere? Jul 10 05:45:17 jaem: dunno Jul 10 05:45:22 I used sync; dd; sync to test them Jul 10 05:45:28 Heh, that works, I guess. Jul 10 05:45:54 Class 6 8GB cards were expensive when I bought mine, and I wasn't sure how a Class 4 card would compare. Jul 10 05:46:26 well, N900 only has 2 GB card Jul 10 05:46:36 I put 1 GB to swap, and 1 GB to /var/tmp/portage Jul 10 05:46:51 I figure those are the most often changing parts Jul 10 05:50:50 MohammadAG51: Package aptitude is not available, but is referred to by another package. Jul 10 05:51:06 luke-jr, devel enabled? Jul 10 05:51:10 wtf? :) Jul 10 05:51:41 LOL what?! Reinstallation of aptitude is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Jul 10 05:51:51 fail Jul 10 05:52:00 not really Jul 10 05:52:05 someone took it down Jul 10 05:52:11 someone complained it didn't work, so removed it? Jul 10 05:52:13 :p Jul 10 05:52:30 -devel doesn't work that way Jul 10 05:52:55 luke-jr, lol http://maemo.org/packages/view/aptitude/ Jul 10 05:53:00 ? Jul 10 05:53:05 too lazy to open browser Jul 10 05:53:25 it's there Jul 10 05:53:31 o Jul 10 05:53:55 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/a/aptitude/aptitude_0.4.11.11-1maemo3_armel.deb Jul 10 05:54:05 need to ping X-Fade about this Jul 10 05:55:44 MohammadAG51: any way to actually install from a .deb with apt? Jul 10 05:55:55 not that I know of Jul 10 05:55:58 dpkg -i it Jul 10 05:56:05 then apt-get -f install Jul 10 06:06:06 luke-jr: putting gentoo on the n900? :) Jul 10 06:06:11 let me know how that works out Jul 10 06:06:12 heh Jul 10 06:06:29 MohammadAG51: wtf? Jul 10 06:06:45 luke-jr, what? Jul 10 06:06:56 dpkg -i obviously says deps not met Jul 10 06:07:10 apt-get -f install after it Jul 10 06:07:16 ... Jul 10 06:07:22 apt newbie Jul 10 06:07:26 dpkg -i obviously says deps not met Jul 10 06:07:31 ok, so? Jul 10 06:07:36 apt-get -f install Jul 10 06:07:37 so why run it at all Jul 10 06:07:43 to solve deps... Jul 10 06:07:45 duh Jul 10 06:07:46 ... Jul 10 06:07:47 o Jul 10 06:07:53 dpkg installs even after saying no deps? Jul 10 06:07:56 luke-jr, n00b!!! Jul 10 06:07:58 yes Jul 10 06:08:10 i c Jul 10 06:08:11 it stops installation @ postinst file Jul 10 06:08:23 unpacking is actually done Jul 10 06:08:39 so you have aptitude now, but it might not work Jul 10 06:08:40 aptitude: Depends: libcwidget3 but it is not installable Jul 10 06:09:02 sec... Jul 10 06:09:54 wtf http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/c/cwidget/libcwidget3_0.5.13-1maemo1_armel.deb Jul 10 06:10:52 why is it broken like this Jul 10 06:11:00 cuz I don't have extras-devel Jul 10 06:11:40 *facepalm* Jul 10 06:18:05 oh tower bloxx is on the store Jul 10 06:19:19 hm i think my battery died. phone wont charge nor start. orange lamp is only lit when i connect the charger.. anybody had that before ? Jul 10 06:21:09 dr34m: wait until the led stops being orange Jul 10 06:21:13 it's the failsafe charging mode Jul 10 06:26:34 heh. Jul 10 06:26:40 so has android gotten on the n900 yet? Jul 10 06:26:51 yes, no. buckets and lollipops. Jul 10 06:28:00 http://maemoarena.com/2010/05/nokia-n900-running-android-2-1/ Jul 10 06:28:23 2.1? meh Jul 10 06:28:26 it runs 2.2 Jul 10 06:28:32 #nitdroid Jul 10 06:28:40 awesome thanks Jul 10 06:28:57 but phonet still isn't supported, right? Jul 10 06:29:21 nope, they got data (3G) for 30 minutes Jul 10 06:34:49 what is trackerd? Jul 10 06:35:04 It indexes your files Jul 10 06:35:07 lame Jul 10 06:35:11 thumbnails your pictures Jul 10 06:36:23 so just how bad is this "one network connection" limitation? Jul 10 06:36:33 can I do 3G + USBnet? Jul 10 06:39:21 one network connection limitation? Jul 10 06:39:28 i just stopped wifi tethering Jul 10 06:39:36 Macer: I asked earlier about doing wifi + 3G at the same time... Jul 10 06:39:50 isnt that more than 1 networ? Jul 10 06:39:52 arachnist, not totally yet Jul 10 06:39:58 Macer: I was told it isn't possible Jul 10 06:40:08 it's possible , just not by the gui's in maemo Jul 10 06:40:16 GAN900 said it was a kernel limitation Jul 10 06:40:18 (thats one I been told) Jul 10 06:40:33 arachnist, getting signal indications. No Data/Calls yet though. Jul 10 06:40:33 luke-jr: then install a new kernel Jul 10 06:40:37 :) Jul 10 06:40:42 -.- Jul 10 06:40:47 isnt there an advanced kernel on the repos? Jul 10 06:40:54 yeah Jul 10 06:41:04 and I've heard rumours of kernels that automatically overclock Jul 10 06:41:07 Macer, its more to do with the kernel version rather than Nokia's specific build - AFAIK Jul 10 06:41:07 which I dont' want to risk doing Jul 10 06:41:14 oc your n900 to 1GHz Jul 10 06:41:27 Kill your n900, slowly Jul 10 06:41:27 haha Jul 10 06:41:37 the one on the repo doesnt automatically do it Jul 10 06:42:00 you have to do it manually and save it if you want to keep running it like that Jul 10 06:42:13 Termana: it will be obsolete in a year or so anyways Jul 10 06:42:48 Are you kidding? Its probably "obsolete" now Jul 10 06:43:29 There's nothing to replace it :( Jul 10 06:43:50 (that doesn't require months of hacking) Jul 10 06:45:49 ShadowJK, you can not like cars and roam the streets on horses, but that doesn't mean that form of transportation isn't obsolete. Jul 10 06:46:26 yeah. nitdroid isnt worth it Jul 10 06:47:37 termana: sure but I can stick with my present car that has round wheels and a steering wheel Jul 10 06:48:01 as everything else has hexagonal wheels and and a big lever instead of steering wheel :( Jul 10 06:48:24 ShadowJK, isn't the round wheel patented, though? :P Jul 10 06:48:29 whats wrong with a hexagonal steering wheel? Jul 10 06:49:28 no the wheels Jul 10 06:49:34 the n900 has a lot of kick to it left Jul 10 06:49:46 i just got rid og my g1 today Jul 10 06:49:47 I hate to break it to everyone, but the general consumer market has obsoleted most things the n900 has. QWERTY keyboards are mostly gone, resistive screens are the past, capacitive is "in". Hell, even Nokia is going this direction. Jul 10 06:49:49 of Jul 10 06:50:09 Termana: the qwerty is a matter of choice Jul 10 06:50:09 Termana, changed direction != obseleted. Jul 10 06:50:20 i will never get a phone without one Jul 10 06:50:24 Termana, the touch panel is also a matter of choice Jul 10 06:50:32 i HATE on screen kbs Jul 10 06:50:45 jaem, what major manufacture is still producing phones with resistive touch? Jul 10 06:50:52 Nokia is the only one I can think of ATM Jul 10 06:50:55 Termana, that wasn't my point. Jul 10 06:50:56 portrait n900 needs vkb Jul 10 06:51:09 My point was that it isn't an inferior technology merely because few products use it. Jul 10 06:51:14 n900 needs portrait first :-P Jul 10 06:51:15 At least, not necessarily. Jul 10 06:51:17 any new device would absolutely have to have qwerty, and if it was capacitive it would have to quadruple hw specs before I considered giving up resistive :) Jul 10 06:51:19 even with real one there are usecases for not having one as well Jul 10 06:51:30 jaem, if there is no choice, then it isn't a matter of choice is it - because you have none Jul 10 06:51:36 opera has a nice vkb on the n900 Jul 10 06:51:44 * jaem glares at Termana Jul 10 06:51:50 My sister bought a samsung with resistive touchscreen last month btw Jul 10 06:51:52 yeah macer Jul 10 06:52:05 not that it makes a difference on that particular phone :) Jul 10 06:52:34 haha Jul 10 06:52:37 c-ts is the solution for poorly designed r-ts Jul 10 06:52:41 Termana, They both have strengths and weaknesses. I prefer one over the other - therefore if I can't get a phone with the one I like, I'm disappointed. That's really all there is to it. I'm not trying to pick a fight. Jul 10 06:52:55 all that i know is that i will never own a phone without a hw qwerty ever again Jul 10 06:53:08 * lcukn900 likes sliding on baconfat - on capacitive touch liqbase is niiiiice but i cant write notes Jul 10 06:53:10 in fact c-ts is inferior to r-ts in almost all aspects Jul 10 06:53:14 EVER Jul 10 06:53:18 lcukn900, good point. Jul 10 06:53:20 jaem, who said anything about fighting? I'm just having a mutual discussion. And I think your assuming *I* like capacitive over resistive. Jul 10 06:53:22 Macer: QWERTY is useless for phones Jul 10 06:53:34 luke-jr: works fine for me :) Jul 10 06:53:39 but phones are not just phones anymore Jul 10 06:53:45 Termana, sorry, you just came across a bit forceful. No offense meant. ;) Jul 10 06:53:54 Macer: there is no need to ever type letters on a phone Jul 10 06:54:03 I wouldn't feel much of a loss if N900 didn't do voice calls ;) Jul 10 06:54:04 txtmsg Jul 10 06:54:10 is this sarcasm? ;) Jul 10 06:54:11 luke-jr, How do you recompile your kernel without letters? Jul 10 06:54:11 lcukn900: then it's not a phone :) Jul 10 06:54:13 jaem, sorry don't mean to seem forceful :) Jul 10 06:54:15 no typing! Jul 10 06:54:15 luke-jr: xterm + ssh + irssi on my N900 happen to disagree Jul 10 06:54:17 :> Jul 10 06:54:22 arachnist: N900 isn't a phone Jul 10 06:54:37 luke-jr, it "has a" phone... Jul 10 06:54:38 luke-jr stop being a git. telephones should have wires and circle dialer Jul 10 06:54:46 hahahaha Jul 10 06:54:54 lcukn900: agreed Jul 10 06:54:56 phone feature can be made very simple: you just need one button, "Hang up". Saves your time, too :) Jul 10 06:55:06 jaem: sure, but I don't see QWERTY in the phone app :D Jul 10 06:55:13 lcukn900, what you're looking for is this, then: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=286 Jul 10 06:55:24 ShadowJK: seriously, I recently saw a phone with nothing but digits and maybe a hangup button Jul 10 06:55:37 and I think a LED display for caller id Jul 10 06:55:42 and yes, it was a cell phone Jul 10 06:55:46 not even volume controls tho Jul 10 06:55:46 jaem i am in the middle of nowhere with analog 1g phone reception Jul 10 06:55:59 1G supports data? Jul 10 06:56:01 luke-jr: there are letters on the numbers Jul 10 06:56:02 :) Jul 10 06:56:03 i aint opening weblinks Jul 10 06:56:06 lol Jul 10 06:56:13 its almost smoke signals Jul 10 06:56:23 lag is measured in days Jul 10 06:56:24 anyone dig into using cell writer on n900? Jul 10 06:56:26 what was pre-1G called? :P Jul 10 06:56:28 besides "analog" Jul 10 06:56:30 except that smoke signals are more reliable Jul 10 06:56:30 yes yigal Jul 10 06:56:38 how is it going? Jul 10 06:56:41 luke-jr, it wasn't standardized Jul 10 06:56:46 lcukn900, Ah. The link was to a hobbyist electronics company that sells real classic glossy red/black rotary telephones, retrofitted with battery+cell. Jul 10 06:56:46 yigal search Jul 10 06:56:54 They still use the original dialer and ringer. :P Jul 10 06:56:55 lolcool Jul 10 06:56:55 but .fi has ARP and then NMT Jul 10 06:56:55 ShadowJK: neither were 2G or 3G Jul 10 06:57:01 had* Jul 10 06:57:05 lcukn900: I have, I've looked at several youtube videos with it in action Jul 10 06:57:17 then install it and see Jul 10 06:57:21 for yourself Jul 10 06:57:31 I feel that Jul 10 06:57:36 :D Jul 10 06:58:09 i have a grand total of 4 batteries with me Jul 10 06:58:17 jeez Jul 10 06:58:26 no power anywhere Jul 10 06:58:28 I should get at least another one Jul 10 06:58:32 3 here Jul 10 06:58:37 really Jul 10 06:58:39 wow Jul 10 06:58:41 i have 2 n900s tho Jul 10 06:58:45 1 Jul 10 06:58:46 wow! Jul 10 06:58:47 xD Jul 10 06:58:54 what else is using omap? Jul 10 06:58:56 lcukn900, lol. Yeah, I was doing that for a while too. Jul 10 06:58:57 * luke-jr was surprised to find his mother-in-law's laptop couldn't charge his N900 when he visited... Jul 10 06:58:58 * ShadowJK has the original battery, and 2400mAh mugen battery :D Jul 10 06:59:09 "aw snap, my battery's dead. Oh well... pull out the other one." Jul 10 06:59:10 luckily I had my netbook in the car, which charges it fine... Jul 10 06:59:12 jaem doing what? Jul 10 06:59:13 Ffs Jul 10 06:59:16 FFS* Jul 10 06:59:22 lcukn900, carrying backup N900s Jul 10 06:59:42 ShadowJK: did you buy a usb dongle to do the hotswap? Jul 10 06:59:50 luke-jr, windows usb drivers are a bit fucked, they often decline request for power for no reason Jul 10 06:59:57 Sadly I have less to play with these days. I do have a 5800XM, but I haven't had time to work with it much. Jul 10 06:59:59 kerio, no Jul 10 07:00:00 lol jaem they arent backups like that Jul 10 07:00:01 jaem: you never know when you need to use 2 death rays Jul 10 07:00:04 ShadowJK: I didn't install any drivers. Jul 10 07:00:08 kerio, and where can you buy that Jul 10 07:00:13 Macer, O_o Jul 10 07:00:13 im testing adhoc stuff later Jul 10 07:00:13 ShadowJK: USB doesn't provide power otherwise? Jul 10 07:00:18 we are going in caves Jul 10 07:00:19 Macer, is that in -devel? Jul 10 07:00:20 things get hairy at debconf Jul 10 07:00:24 no cloud Jul 10 07:00:36 lcukn900, whereabouts are you? Jul 10 07:00:37 jaem: no. easter egg Jul 10 07:00:53 luke-jr, the N900 requests 500mA from the windows usb stack, windows usb stack says NO Jul 10 07:00:53 Macer, Aren't there liability concerns? Jul 10 07:00:54 jaem: no. easter egg Jul 10 07:00:59 go to pkg manager and add death ray as a repo then cancel Jul 10 07:01:13 jaem: they added a disclaimer Jul 10 07:01:14 feel that Jul 10 07:01:18 Macer: or just apt-get lasercow Jul 10 07:01:32 Linux USB stack has more of a "Yeah fine, whatever" to power management :) Jul 10 07:01:35 apt-get install starwars Jul 10 07:01:35 jaem lake district. north england Jul 10 07:01:40 kerio: sure. take the easy apt route Jul 10 07:02:09 apt-get install hbomb Jul 10 07:02:32 yigal: i'm thinking about a way to do that Jul 10 07:02:32 yigal: they took that off the repos Jul 10 07:02:51 said phones that have it are Nphones of concern" Jul 10 07:02:53 I thought it was in devel Jul 10 07:02:56 so far it's overpower the battery, overclock the cpu, start flashing the led and put loud white noise on the speakers Jul 10 07:03:08 morning all Jul 10 07:03:20 kerio: that would be awesome Jul 10 07:03:20 no explosions though :( Jul 10 07:03:22 Morning, all Jul 10 07:03:42 owell, at least I don't need to reflash the n900 Jul 10 07:03:44 Jaffa, Happy Weekend! Jul 10 07:03:58 jaem: You too! Jul 10 07:04:25 kerio: ever break into a friends car and turn the radio on full blast and the blinkers and the window wipers then turn it off and wait for the fun? Jul 10 07:05:21 Macer: oh god are you watching me Jul 10 07:05:30 :) Jul 10 07:05:31 GET OUT OF MY HEAD Jul 10 07:05:50 the app to do that remotely is on devel too Jul 10 07:06:05 just stay away from the exploding gas tank option Jul 10 07:07:11 ough "Who Am I" by "Snoop Dogg" on "The Very Best Of Deathrow (Explicit)" Jul 10 07:07:14 n900@works when wet. screen is watery rained on Jul 10 07:07:21 well. i guess i have to wait for tomorrows zimbra daily report to see if my constructive iptables rules have managed to block all of hinet.net Jul 10 07:07:49 lcukn900: yeah.. but does it work submerged? Jul 10 07:07:56 i think not Jul 10 07:07:56 no! Jul 10 07:08:19 damn compressing shit takes time Jul 10 07:08:26 real phones work underwater Jul 10 07:08:45 what's an imx51? Jul 10 07:08:50 no they dont old ones have paper speakers etc Jul 10 07:08:56 beagleboard? Jul 10 07:09:12 Mooo, punks Jul 10 07:09:22 yo rst Jul 10 07:09:35 lcuk: How is suffering this weekend? =) Jul 10 07:10:06 --exclude in tar is borked lol Jul 10 07:10:06 suffering what Jul 10 07:10:22 life! Jul 10 07:10:54 im sat in cold damp rain cos my tent leaked and its dryer in the rain sat up than laywn Jul 10 07:11:22 Shit, that is not suffering Jul 10 07:11:48 It is +30oC here with no rain and nowhere to run Jul 10 07:12:04 ahhh bad Jul 10 07:12:11 swap? Jul 10 07:12:16 Yea, any time Jul 10 07:12:27 heh Jul 10 07:12:32 (at least as long as you have got cold rain there) Jul 10 07:12:38 you have extreme winters Jul 10 07:12:52 Not really Jul 10 07:13:01 2 weeks a -30 is not extreme Jul 10 07:13:23 And it is -5..-15 for the rest of the winter Jul 10 07:13:44 sure its the 49 weeks at -29 that get ya. summer is one week of +30 Jul 10 07:13:55 pffft .... 30C is not hot. and define "no rain." Jul 10 07:14:04 lcukn900, i saw your conversation with GA about maemo theming bugs in the logs the other day, and you were asking why bugs weren't filed long ago. in fact they were. check out maemo bug 3659, for example. Jul 10 07:14:05 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3659 Changing icon theme requires reboot to be applied correctly Jul 10 07:14:12 mneptok, #define NO_RAIN Jul 10 07:14:25 mneptok, happy? Jul 10 07:14:28 lcuk: Summers are pretty regular here Jul 10 07:14:35 ian_r thanks for digging. i cannot see web stuff now Jul 10 07:14:42 jaem: no, what's that underscore? escape the space like i asked. ;) Jul 10 07:14:54 mneptok, -grin- Jul 10 07:15:01 but can you mail link to liquid@gmail please Jul 10 07:15:07 moo, slonopotamus Jul 10 07:15:16 ill check when i get back Jul 10 07:16:18 heh np lcukn900. i didn't actually have to dig for it cause i just had it reopened yesterday :/ Jul 10 07:16:21 Is Remote Debugging from QtCreator to the N900 borked, or am I just Doing it Wrong? Jul 10 07:16:37 RST38h: relgular summer every year? ;-P Jul 10 07:17:03 Doc: yeah more or less Jul 10 07:17:09 RST38h: morn Jul 10 07:17:15 ian_r good for you, thanks i think Jul 10 07:17:24 jaem: Jul 10 07:17:34 if its a problem it needs sorting :p Jul 10 07:17:47 RST38h, Is there any sane way to debug programs, then, short of GDB on-device in the terminal? Jul 10 07:18:05 gdb on device is fine Jul 10 07:18:06 jaem: printf()s to the ssh session Jul 10 07:18:19 RST38h, yes, but I meant interactive debugging. Jul 10 07:18:20 lcuk is right, gdb on device is ok, if you can stand gdb Jul 10 07:18:22 * lcukn900 has many many printfs Jul 10 07:18:25 jaem: No. Jul 10 07:18:31 anybody ever used kgdb? Jul 10 07:18:39 * RST38h tried, still sucks Jul 10 07:18:45 DocScrutinizer51, I read that as kgb... Jul 10 07:19:05 Doc: There is also Nemiver Jul 10 07:19:12 lcukn900, RST38h, The problem is that I need interactive debugging, and I need the controls/log on a separate screen. Jul 10 07:19:18 Doc: I used it a few times, seems to be the most comfortable of gdb shells Jul 10 07:19:24 err kdbg? Jul 10 07:19:29 jaem ssh Jul 10 07:19:34 ? Jul 10 07:19:41 lcukn900, yeah, I was hoping to avoid that... Jul 10 07:19:45 jaem: I also need a few things. Does not mean I am gonna get them. Jul 10 07:19:48 ok Jul 10 07:19:52 RST38h, exactly Jul 10 07:20:00 jaem: gdb on device, displayed on a 26" monitor attached to your pc, using ssh Jul 10 07:20:01 RST38h, I wasn't complaining, just clarifying Jul 10 07:20:19 :D"Harlem Streets" by "Immortal Technique" on "Revolutionary Vol.2 (Explicit)" Jul 10 07:20:32 ShadowJK, Yes, I will probably have to, but I was hoping to not have to deal with GDB in the command line. Jul 10 07:20:34 Ah well Jul 10 07:20:36 RST38h: how to debug kernel on arm? Jul 10 07:20:37 jaem: Try Nemiver Jul 10 07:20:50 jaem: It appears to allow connections to remote targets Jul 10 07:20:52 i want a cig. i can see them but i cant get em Jul 10 07:20:52 lots of printf Jul 10 07:20:54 Sorry, though, are you all saying that debugging in Creator /is/ broken, or just suggesting alternatives? Jul 10 07:21:01 Doc: kprintf()? :) Jul 10 07:21:07 * lcukn900 goes grabbing keys Jul 10 07:21:10 ShadowJK: yeah. hate that Jul 10 07:21:14 printf? Jul 10 07:21:21 jaem: We are all saying that debugging with gdb is pain Jul 10 07:21:23 jaem wasnt thinking qt Jul 10 07:21:29 Yeah, I got that, thanks. -_- Jul 10 07:21:32 jaem: And there is no other debugging for n900 Jul 10 07:21:41 Alrighty, then. Jul 10 07:21:50 jaem: So, if you can find a decent gdb shell for your desktop and connect it to the n900, you should be ok Jul 10 07:21:55 mm Jul 10 07:21:56 Okay, great. Jul 10 07:22:03 jaem: So far, Nemiver looks like the least painful gdb shell Jul 10 07:22:11 But your mileage may vary Jul 10 07:22:14 what does qt sdk use for debugging Jul 10 07:22:32 lcukn900, it has options to remotely debug using gdb on the phone, I believe. Jul 10 07:22:37 err, segv? Jul 10 07:22:40 lcuk: Same gdb, just with some crap on top Jul 10 07:22:41 In some fashion... I'm not familiar with GDB much yet. Jul 10 07:23:23 ok cool Jul 10 07:23:34 lcukn900, problem is, it doesn't seem to work for me. I've heard rumblings from a while back that it doesn't work at all, but I don't know if that is/was true, or if I am just missing something. Jul 10 07:23:40 Hence my original question. Jul 10 07:24:00 remote debugging is difficult to set up Jul 10 07:24:12 so, for people who couldn't do it, it does not work. Jul 10 07:24:19 at all, yes :) Jul 10 07:24:26 strangely windows mobile had it Jul 10 07:24:28 but cool when it works Jul 10 07:24:44 does iphone or android do it Jul 10 07:24:47 lcuk: WinMo has special facilities in the Visual Studio Jul 10 07:25:10 yes Jul 10 07:25:16 lcuk: Microsoft took care that debugging WinMo apps feels about the same in Visual Studio Jul 10 07:25:30 Sigh... sorry, but at this time of night, I'm just getting confused. Could one person answer my original question with no cynicism or veiled humour, please? >_< Jul 10 07:25:42 (y/n): Jul 10 07:25:59 * DocScrutinizer51 muses about a userland kernel to debug that one friggin driver Jul 10 07:26:02 NO. Go sleep now. Jul 10 07:26:24 RST38h, okay, thanks. Don't mind me - I've just had a long day. :) Jul 10 07:27:09 DocScrutinizer, which driver? Jul 10 07:27:28 ShadowJK: guess! ;-) Jul 10 07:29:28 I can't think of anything sensible you'd be doing in kernel :) Jul 10 07:29:34 ShadowJK: starts with M like mentorgrafix Jul 10 07:29:35 oh, usb Jul 10 07:30:00 * ShadowJK had entirely forgotten usb host :-) Jul 10 07:30:17 usb can be done in userland, can't it? Jul 10 07:30:43 not this Jul 10 07:31:44 The usb stack has interface for userland to talk with usb devices, but that of course depends on functioning kernelside drivers Jul 10 07:32:30 And re hostmode, talking to usb devices isn't the issue, talking to the usb controller and convincing it to do things Jul 10 07:32:31 anyone know how to fix TV out not working? Jul 10 07:32:49 had it going 3 days ago... and just getting black screen with sound on 4 different TVs and 2 different cables Jul 10 07:33:28 rtfm Jul 10 07:33:32 :( tv out Jul 10 07:33:54 maybe it broke Jul 10 07:33:57 2 devices and both failed. bah Jul 10 07:34:15 then they work on all different times Jul 10 07:34:47 works like a charm here Jul 10 07:35:03 does for me now Jul 10 07:35:39 bbl Jul 10 07:35:45 bah many others have posted same issue.. but only response that some have given was "hit it" x.x Jul 10 07:36:20 just audio is WAY too low Jul 10 07:37:19 Izzeh: there are some notes about sequence how to connect it, in maual. That's why I said RTFM Jul 10 07:37:46 it's a diff if you first plug to TV or first to N900 Jul 10 07:38:44 tried both ways.. on 4 different TVs Jul 10 07:38:56 one I bought a week a go and a 23 year old 100kg job Jul 10 07:38:59 =/ Jul 10 07:38:59 I guess when you got a crapy TV you first need to plug cable to N900 Jul 10 07:40:52 of course you need correct PAL/NTSC setting on N900. And correct input selection for TV Jul 10 07:42:16 got that Jul 10 07:42:26 and you need to use correct plugs on TV ;-) Jul 10 07:42:29 it was working 3 days ago, not to mention I've been doing it for 6 months now Jul 10 07:43:00 so it brole all of a sudden from a known good setup? Jul 10 07:43:05 broke Jul 10 07:43:11 yep Jul 10 07:43:15 I reflashed since then Jul 10 07:43:17 lol =/ Jul 10 07:43:19 hw-defect Jul 10 07:43:32 yeah I'm not so quick to jump at that Jul 10 07:43:40 given several others that have experienced it have had it work later Jul 10 07:44:11 check headset microphone and button work ok Jul 10 07:44:22 same contacts on AV Jul 10 07:45:23 AV receptacle is known to have contact issues occasionally Jul 10 07:45:31 recognizes headset Jul 10 07:45:46 I can't recall.. does it have an icon in status bar with tv out? (even the headphone one?) Jul 10 07:45:48 mic operation? Jul 10 07:45:49 kerio: still there? i waited now for about an hour or smth and the orange light went off.. phone wont start still tho damnit looks like dead :( Jul 10 07:46:00 none Jul 10 07:46:19 Anyone else noticed that the green device-charged light overrides whatever email/im notifications you have got? Jul 10 07:46:40 so, when the device is plugged into the charger, you cannot see notifications? Jul 10 07:47:33 RST38h: check prio of patterns in mce.ini Jul 10 07:48:11 alright yeah.. mic is working Jul 10 07:48:27 got no notification so can't check now.and I usually keep device on when on charger Jul 10 07:48:32 I actually have it in my head that this has happened before.. and solved itself.. but I can't be certain Jul 10 07:50:29 Izzeh: double check you plugged the yellow RCA jack to video in on TV Jul 10 07:52:01 lol I did.. several times Jul 10 07:52:11 Izzeh: reboot. some fb daemon or video hw might've gone apeshit Jul 10 07:52:13 all 4 TVs detect it.. but it only shows black screen Jul 10 07:52:18 done it :'( Jul 10 07:52:23 and pulled battery for 5 mins Jul 10 07:52:28 and blew in the hole Jul 10 07:52:30 and hit it Jul 10 07:52:31 =x Jul 10 07:52:33 hw-defect Jul 10 07:54:05 I know there's some kinky problems with the FPC connector that runs to screen (yes!) so TV out breaks Jul 10 07:54:52 had that. though mine had both screen AND TV out broken / garbled / gray Jul 10 07:55:30 somehow LVD-output to LCD is connected to TV out Jul 10 07:55:58 Izzeh: try opening/closing slider Jul 10 08:02:58 alright she ain't working Jul 10 08:03:07 I'll leave it a few days and hope it fixes itself Jul 10 08:03:07 :P Jul 10 08:06:43 umm Jul 10 08:06:54 why is my rootfs read only o_O Jul 10 08:07:17 brb, i hope Jul 10 08:07:43 MohammadAG51: i'd look in dmesg | tail first Jul 10 08:12:49 mhm, MohammadAG51 still alive :-D Jul 10 08:16:53 Doc: Ok Jul 10 08:18:15 RST38h: ok what? Jul 10 08:19:40 DocScrutinizer51, still alive, still alive, still alive, *runs portal* Jul 10 08:19:57 lol Jul 10 08:20:26 DocScrutinizer51, sup? Jul 10 08:20:31 mount -o remount,rw ? Jul 10 08:21:02 oh, lol, rebooted and checked kernel messages, it fsck'd / Jul 10 08:21:28 fskd'd up? :) Jul 10 08:22:17 Doc: The pattern priorities Jul 10 08:22:29 ~fsck Jul 10 08:22:31 No devices specified to be checked! Jul 10 08:22:36 o.o Jul 10 08:22:38 ~fsck RST38h Jul 10 08:22:39 ~fsck /dev/thor/root Jul 10 08:22:39 Doc: I am checking mce.ini here. It clearly says that chargin/charged patterns have lower priority than messaging stuff Jul 10 08:22:40 e2fsck /dev/RST38h : warning! filesystem contains dickheads! Jul 10 08:22:40 e2fsck /dev//dev/thor/root : warning! filesystem contains idiots! Jul 10 08:22:47 lol Jul 10 08:22:52 :D Jul 10 08:23:02 [39721.299407] EXT3-fs warning (device mmcblk1p2): ext3_clear_journal_err: Filesystem error recorded from previous mount: IO failure Jul 10 08:23:05 ~fsck /dev/sda Jul 10 08:23:07 e2fsck /dev//dev/sda : warning! filesystem contains helpdesk workers! Jul 10 08:23:08 Doc: Yet, they appear to override messaging patterns Jul 10 08:23:22 ~fsck sda1 Jul 10 08:23:23 e2fsck /dev/sda1 : warning! filesystem contains dumbasses! Jul 10 08:27:24 haha Jul 10 08:29:21 ~fsck Macer Jul 10 08:29:22 e2fsck /dev/Macer : warning! filesystem contains idiots! Jul 10 08:29:33 infobot: you looped Jul 10 08:30:48 So, does the charging/charged LED status overrides messaging notifications for any of you? Jul 10 08:33:58 got no msg. will check as soon as there's some Jul 10 08:34:26 Doc: Good test would be to leave the device plugged in for the night and check what light you have got in the morning Jul 10 08:34:48 Doc: If you have gotten an email or an IM, you should see the blinking blue light Jul 10 08:34:57 I always see the green light though Jul 10 08:35:18 I always see the screen :-D Jul 10 08:35:32 oh you have it always on when charging? Jul 10 08:38:11 fbreader + rotatedaemon -> instant reboot Jul 10 08:38:23 Arkenoi: Blame rotatedaemon. Jul 10 08:38:33 doesn't fbreader have rotation support? Jul 10 08:38:39 Yes, internally Jul 10 08:38:44 Had it since N800 Jul 10 08:38:56 then it will obviously fsck it up :P Jul 10 08:38:59 rst38h: actually i'd prefer it to use accelerometer Jul 10 08:39:01 first it = rd Jul 10 08:39:08 rotatedaemon Jul 10 08:39:39 RST38h, works fine with ctrl-shift-R Jul 10 08:39:44 Arkenoi: Well, I would also like quite a few things... Jul 10 08:40:45 Arkenoi, rotatedaemon doesn't use ctrl shift R Jul 10 08:40:54 it uses forced rotation (xrandr?) Jul 10 08:41:22 ok RST38h Jul 10 08:41:45 I'll check on 1.2 with dbus pattern cmd Jul 10 08:47:23 RST38h: patternIM overrides green charging indicator here Jul 10 08:47:54 RST38h: dunno for how long Jul 10 08:48:05 might time out Jul 10 08:49:21 whoop Jul 10 08:51:42 poohf Jul 10 08:52:11 Doc: Weird, weird stuff Jul 10 08:52:38 RST38h: lemme check mce.ini Jul 10 08:57:51 RST38h: yep,PatternCommunicationIM=30;1;0 should have higer prio (30) than PatternBatteryFull=40;4;0 , and both are infinite duration (0) Jul 10 08:58:35 RST38h: maybe for some weird reason mce is restarted? Jul 10 08:58:47 hmm..I dunno Jul 10 09:00:48 RST38h: you could rule out by simply changing PatternBatteryFull, e.g by changing g to r - *without* restarting mce. If it happens to get restarted it will read in new pattern def for PatternBatteryFull and show red light instead of green Jul 10 09:04:05 RST38h: also make sure whatever app is enabling the blue flashing pattern doesn't intentionally set it back to off after some 30 min or a few hours. dbus-monitor|grep pattern should help to determine Jul 10 09:07:05 RST38h: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:PatternCommunicationIM still blinking blue nicely here Jul 10 09:07:16 Doc: thanks =) Jul 10 09:07:21 * RST38h makes notes Jul 10 09:08:00 Doc: I suspect that the phone may repeatedly set BatteryFull pattern when connected to the charger Jul 10 09:08:40 shouldn't matter, but would explain why green is still on after a suspected mce restart Jul 10 09:10:47 RST38h: PatternCommunicationIM=30 should overirde arbitrary number of PatternBatteryFull=40 activations Jul 10 09:11:46 RST38h: as mentioned above: dbus-monitor --system is your friend Jul 10 09:12:34 also there's a log of dsme somewhere, to check if mce seen a restart, iirc Jul 10 09:13:57 but also I seem to remember reading something like "deactivate IM LED notification after 60min - msg is no news anymore" - - or maybe I just dreamed that Jul 10 09:16:30 RST38h: you got xchat running? or pidgeon? They all share same priority for indicator patterns. So I donno if mce keeps old pattern of same prio on stack and re-establishes it after new pattern with same prio got deactivated Jul 10 09:18:40 Doc: so maybe modest and im do deactivate it... Jul 10 09:18:52 although that rule sounds somewhat stupid Jul 10 09:18:52 yes, maybe Jul 10 09:19:07 if I have not see the message, then it is news Jul 10 09:19:12 not modest - but im Jul 10 09:19:54 xchat I know has no way to reset the LED on ... yeah what? get_focus? Jul 10 09:20:17 so it did deactivation after some fixed time Jul 10 09:20:40 at least that plugin of cehteh(?) worked that way Jul 10 09:21:03 * RST38h tries to remember if he still has cehteh's plugin enabled for the led stuff Jul 10 09:21:22 The bubbles themselves now popup using XChat's standard facilities (they just had to be enabled) Jul 10 09:30:27 Off topic, but does anyone know if irssi can tell me what the last person said when they used my nick? Jul 10 09:31:11 if you haven't talked much since then, /lastlog alterego would work Jul 10 09:31:45 would be a nice feature for xchat. I planned to implement such function, but alas xchat has no python support ootb ( RST38h *hint* *hint* ) Jul 10 09:31:51 Sweet, that worked thansk :) Jul 10 09:31:56 alterego: /last ? Jul 10 09:32:32 Doc: See my previous comment about python support (cannot be made optional, once added requires python, current python install for Maemo5 is a clusterfuck) Jul 10 09:32:47 :/ Jul 10 09:33:07 Doesn't it just need linPyton? Jul 10 09:33:16 erm, libPython ... Jul 10 09:34:35 interesting: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10583227.stm Jul 10 09:36:10 Who the hell are NTP Jul 10 09:44:00 hi everyone! Jul 10 09:44:50 NTP is just some random patent troll Jul 10 09:45:32 Shows one more time how screwed up current patent laws are Jul 10 09:46:17 probably cheaper to lobby the patent office to invalidate their patents Jul 10 09:48:49 300m though .. Jul 10 09:48:51 That's insane. Jul 10 09:54:02 That's a nice leaving message. Jul 10 09:57:08 lol Jul 10 10:01:44 who here wants an OBS account? Ideally you'd know what osc is and can prove to me you're trustworthy. Then we can see about getting them beta test accounts if they want to help fix issues (there are plenty) Jul 10 10:02:48 MeeGo builder? Jul 10 10:03:08 blargh Jul 10 10:05:30 hmm remeber a nice taiwanese fastfood near location of those OBS servers (or the office managing them)... Good idea :-) Jul 10 10:05:54 lol Jul 10 10:06:27 MohammadAG51: both MeeGo and Maemo Jul 10 10:11:30 damn. this thing is still connected over 3G Jul 10 10:11:45 amazing. usually it would have disconnected by now Jul 10 10:31:48 Hey guys, wanting to reflash my N900 with the latest image. I'm on the download page, do I want "OS 2009 version 1.2009.42-11" or "PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1". I'm in Australia, so assuming that means Global is for me. Jul 10 10:34:48 Anyone? Jul 10 10:35:52 malcolmci: PR1.2 Jul 10 10:36:07 Thanks tuxer Jul 10 10:55:03 jacekowski, D-Iivil_Work, Nokia have told me that I cn only have it repaired in the US because the Warranty is US based :( Jul 10 10:55:21 "send the device to a US contact with the proof of purchase and then have him/her contact our nokia care line for us to proceed with the repair process." Jul 10 10:57:38 downside of 'buying it cheap in US' Jul 10 10:57:57 Stskeeps, I didn't :( Jul 10 10:58:01 I got it from expansys Jul 10 10:58:06 a UK seller :/ Jul 10 10:58:17 mm Jul 10 11:05:23 wazzzd Jul 10 11:08:26 Hola! Jul 10 11:13:08 jophish: go there again Jul 10 11:13:54 jacekowski, I'd really like to just send it of. it takes me about an hour to get to the store Jul 10 11:13:57 hmmm Jul 10 11:14:02 nevermind Jul 10 11:14:12 you don't get international warranty in US Jul 10 11:14:21 jophish, send it back to expansys and let them deal with it, theyure responsible for getting it sorted for you Jul 10 11:14:29 you would get international warranty if you've bought it in the EU Jul 10 11:14:35 if they have to send it to nokia usa because they sold you an import, thats their problem Jul 10 11:14:41 or at least EU Jul 10 11:14:54 The stupid thing is that I did buy it in the EU :) Jul 10 11:15:12 was it .co.uk or .com? Jul 10 11:15:33 jophish: but your reseller didn't Jul 10 11:15:36 expansys have lots of stores, their .com site is the uk Jul 10 11:15:49 expansys.com = uk, expansys-usa.com = usa Jul 10 11:16:04 expansys.co.uk redirects to .com, however it is based in the UK Jul 10 11:16:27 should be able to get it fixed then. Jul 10 11:16:35 Hey guys, running Ubuntu Lucid AMD64. Neither the maemo-flasher-3.5 .deb or .tar.gz can execute on my system, what are my options? Jul 10 11:16:42 install ia32-libs Jul 10 11:16:50 as I said, send it back to expansys, theyre required to sort it for you regardless of whether it's an import Jul 10 11:18:26 might also want to ask them why theyre selling you imported stuff, unless it was specifically labelled as such when you bought it Jul 10 11:18:37 as the n900's theyre currently selling are clearly marked as being uk models Jul 10 11:18:58 http://www.nokiausa.com/get-support-and-software/repair-and-recycle/repair-warranty/warranty-verification Jul 10 11:19:05 http://www.nokia.co.uk/support/repair/repair/warranty Jul 10 11:19:07 use that one Jul 10 11:19:37 nidO, I don't remember it being marked as such Jul 10 11:20:38 check the links jacekowski gave and make sure it actually is a us model, if it is i'd accompany the return of the phone with a complaint Jul 10 11:21:16 The European Limited Warranty offers 24-month coverage for new Nokia phones purchased on or after April 1, 2005 within the European Union, Iceland, Norway, Switzerland, and Turkey. Jul 10 11:21:17 Yup, it is within the period on the US site, and doesn't show up on the UK site. Jul 10 11:22:10 well either way expansys are required to get it sorted for you, you dont have to send it off to nokia, but personally i'd take it back to them and ask them to outright replace it with the uk model they were supposed to give you Jul 10 11:22:16 Thanks Corsac, that worked. I love my N900 and all, but you wouldn't think it would be too hard to supply a 64-bit compilation. Welcome to 2010, where a lot of people have >=4 GBs of RAM! Jul 10 11:22:54 huh? Jul 10 11:23:01 your n900 har >4GB ram Jul 10 11:23:07 I am really impressed now Jul 10 11:23:17 has Jul 10 11:23:32 are there any 64-bit ARM platforms? Jul 10 11:24:00 read what he originally asked, guys Jul 10 11:24:10 we're just being silly Jul 10 11:25:02 malcolmci: you don't need 64bit to use more than 4G of ram Jul 10 11:25:33 (but it helps) Jul 10 11:25:42 well, you can use PAE Jul 10 11:26:30 but then, whats the point of explicitly using a 32bit system then bodge a dodgy method of accessing more memory, when you can just use a perfectly good x64 system Jul 10 11:26:56 Hey guys :D yesterday morning my phone had fallen into a small pond of water , and within a day i could get it up and working again :D thanks to the amazing staff here who helped me Jul 10 11:27:12 i didn't have to wait for another 3 days to let it dry Jul 10 11:28:27 jacekowsi: as what nid0 said. that + personally, I don't need the company I paid for my phone telling me, and a large number of the N900 user base, what to run on my computers Jul 10 11:51:09 Does OC help increase battery life ? Jul 10 11:51:47 in the bad way Jul 10 11:52:15 Bad way like ?> Jul 10 11:52:46 like, it'll help decrease battery life Jul 10 11:53:20 so you've not overclocked your device ? Jul 10 11:53:52 and incase anything goes wrong you just have to reflash the device right ? and everything returns to normal Jul 10 11:54:37 depends on your definition of "goes wrong" Jul 10 11:54:50 xDaReaperx: you're playing with your hardware here Jul 10 11:55:00 so if something goes wrong, software might not be enough Jul 10 11:55:11 I finally got my N900, and because I had an aging and fault mobile before, I had to manually enter more than 340 contacts manually.. Now, what is the best way to back up them in my computer. where is the contacts database file located? Jul 10 11:55:31 smhar: run the backup tool Jul 10 11:55:41 you could just use the backup tool Jul 10 11:55:51 smhar: use mfe and sync them to google every few hours Jul 10 11:56:24 Yeah i know we are increasing the volts and stuff , this can mess with the hardware Jul 10 11:56:36 because we love having our contact list in hand of third party Jul 10 11:56:54 I do not use google contacts, what is mfe? I just want to cp them to a local computer. Jul 10 11:57:11 smhar: mail for exchange Jul 10 11:57:58 no no. no exchange please. just a normal copy of files. where is the contacts database file located? Jul 10 11:58:18 smhar: do what the others said for christ sakes Jul 10 12:00:04 There is a tool given by Maemo itself called the backup tool , you get to backup your contacts , calendar , bookmarks .. and other stuff Jul 10 12:00:35 and you can also restore it , if you connect your phone using mass storage you can download the backup file via computer Jul 10 12:01:03 ok. backing up, then copying the file to my computer. thanks xDaReaperx Jul 10 12:01:13 Yeah no problem Jul 10 12:01:52 how can I tell the version of N900 firmware? Jul 10 12:02:21 settings > about product Jul 10 12:02:59 Corsac: do you use facebook? Jul 10 12:03:04 Corsac: or linkedin? Jul 10 12:03:21 es Jul 10 12:03:22 yes Jul 10 12:03:31 the latter only, though I do have an account on the former Jul 10 12:03:38 so, why do you moan at the idea of sharing your contacts with a third party? Jul 10 12:04:01 crashanddie: I don't mean the contact list I mean the contact details Jul 10 12:04:37 crashanddie: sharing my contact list (if I want to) is ok, but sharing details of my contacts without their consent is not Jul 10 12:04:41 imho Jul 10 12:05:03 yes Jul 10 12:05:03 you're not sharing those details Jul 10 12:05:09 you're just storing them Jul 10 12:05:10 you are Jul 10 12:05:21 quite frankly, I don't think Google gives a flying fuck about your contact's phone number Jul 10 12:05:31 if they tried to sell it, they'd get sued to obliviion Jul 10 12:05:36 on facebook at least Jul 10 12:05:43 well, facebook Jul 10 12:05:49 but I'm against it, completely Jul 10 12:05:57 facebook can't do mfe, thank god ;) Jul 10 12:06:24 crashanddie: I said “third party“, not google Jul 10 12:06:40 I'm not especially targetting google Jul 10 12:07:01 (though the quantity of data they have scares me a little) Jul 10 12:08:27 Corsac: no friend of 8.8.8.8 for DNS? ;-P Jul 10 12:12:19 not really :) Jul 10 12:12:39 but I run my own dns for my domain anyway, so he's a cache/resolver too Jul 10 12:17:32 heh, european cheerleading championships in helsinki today Jul 10 12:19:46 hey do your n900's say "Tessar 2.8/5.2" ... "AF 5MP" on the back Jul 10 12:20:02 yes Jul 10 12:20:06 just got a replacement backcover and im sure my old one didnt say that Jul 10 12:20:13 mine does Jul 10 12:20:21 so its not a foreign one or something? Jul 10 12:20:29 nop Jul 10 12:21:13 im in the uk Jul 10 12:21:14 the bastards charged me £10 claiming the battery cover isnt in the warranty Jul 10 12:21:23 it was the INSIDE of the cover that fell aprt... grrrr Jul 10 12:22:37 i really hate the way you put it on and off... feels dodgy like its breakable :S Jul 10 12:41:34 hey guys, I cant get /usr/share/applications/hildon/blah.desktop work properly Jul 10 12:41:45 The icon appears in the menu Jul 10 12:41:51 but it wont start the app Jul 10 12:42:03 altought when I run the Exec line manually, it works Jul 10 12:42:08 what could I do? Jul 10 12:46:46 Doc: Do you by any chance have any details on how exactly XChat DCC fails? I am going to fix it but too lazy to test for exact symptoms Jul 10 12:49:49 xchat DCC fails? Jul 10 12:50:22 RST38h: no idea about that Jul 10 12:53:24 Doc: It succeeds but uploads stuff to some fixed, weird location Jul 10 12:53:27 lauri: check terminal and stdin/out settings, environment Jul 10 12:53:49 RST38h: ooh, DCC file transfer? Jul 10 12:53:52 Doc: While I am at it, should we quickly test it? Jul 10 12:54:00 never tried to use that Jul 10 12:54:01 what the MMS connection under my internet connections ? in the N900 .. I no longer have the fmms app installed.. it is a pain constantly switching to mms and i have to manual switch out to use the internet Jul 10 12:54:19 how can i completely remove the MMS internet connection ? Jul 10 12:54:29 RST38h: I always get problems with DCC FT as here I got a NAT Jul 10 12:54:34 oh Jul 10 12:55:34 an0therb0x1: there's 'an app for it' :-D Jul 10 12:55:49 don't ask me for the name Jul 10 12:56:16 .dcc send RST38bis pullman.zip Jul 10 12:56:22 cool Jul 10 12:57:46 ? Jul 10 12:58:23 RST38h, s/./// :P Jul 10 12:58:33 an0therb0x1: flash your device that should get rid of the MMS app Jul 10 12:58:34 ////// Jul 10 12:59:29 hmmm Jul 10 12:59:31 does not work Jul 10 12:59:40 Mohammad: Could you dcc send something to RST38bis? Jul 10 13:00:11 duh, I can try, but see what happens Jul 10 13:01:34 Hello. Quick question: Jul 10 13:02:19 Send to RST38bis not RST38h Jul 10 13:02:33 Are any of you able to charge your n900 from a USB charger which is NOT also a computer? (e.g. Wall outlet or car outlet adapter in the shape of a USB socket, but no actual computer to connect to the n900?) Jul 10 13:03:30 Mhm, looks like my NAT is no better than your NAT, Doc Jul 10 13:04:11 yep. 192.169.0.108 looks like no valid addr to reach you Jul 10 13:04:15 Mine refuses to charge via USB cable unless it's connected to a "real" computer, so I can't charge it in my car (bummer!) Jul 10 13:04:37 168 of course Jul 10 13:04:53 kwtm: short D+/D- Jul 10 13:05:00 kwtm: then it'll work Jul 10 13:05:02 Oh, you guys trying to send a file to each other? You can try Skype to send files if you're both behind natted walls. Jul 10 13:05:30 DocScrutinizer: Oh, so I should make sure the adapter connects the D+ connection to the D- connect? Hmm... probably doable with a soldering gun... Jul 10 13:05:44 s/natted walls/NAT'd firewalls/ Jul 10 13:05:51 kwtm: we have zillions of ways to send files. But RST38h wants to check some IRC DCC related issue Jul 10 13:06:04 DocScrutinizer: Ah. I'll just shut up here, then. :P Jul 10 13:06:34 kwtm: exactly. Did this (soldering) on my no brand usb charger Jul 10 13:07:04 DocScrutinizer: You wouldn't happen to know which ones are the D+/D-? (Are they the middle two?) Will Google to verify but would love to have real-world confirmation from a live person. Jul 10 13:07:18 they are the middle two Jul 10 13:08:49 in cable usuall white/green iirc Jul 10 13:09:03 Okay. Will try this on a el-cheapo adapter first. Crummy that I will have to do this for a whole bunch of adapters. :P Or maybe I'll have a USB charging cable that I can short, to be used with any adapter. Jul 10 13:09:40 DocScrutinizer51: I don't suppose this is something changeable by software? In case I'm stuck somewhere without a charger and have to borrow/buy a USB cable while I'm travelling? Jul 10 13:11:11 kwtm: check this post of mine, edit the 0x90 in the while condition to whatever it is for you (probably 0x10) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=658278#post658278 Jul 10 13:12:55 kwtm: status byte bit7 means D+/- short detected, but it doesn't work even when you use the original charger. So 0x10 is probably ok for you Jul 10 13:13:47 DocScrutinizer: Thanks for the tip. Not sure I understand it but will research on my own. It looks like Maemo code (or is that a shell script?) and it will be incorporated later into Maemo? Jul 10 13:13:57 DocScrutinizer: So that's what you look like! I love the sunglasses. :) Jul 10 13:14:27 kwtm: notice that this little script, just like bme, isn't able to detect end of charging correctly when screen backlight is on. Also keep in mind you have to "stop bme" prior to starting the script, and "start bme" after finishing charge Jul 10 13:14:56 it's a shell script Jul 10 13:16:02 DocScrutinizer: Thanks. Will keep it handy. Jul 10 13:16:55 kwtm: do not use this script for unattended charging please. It's not completely tested and a first rather rudimentary draft that doesn't check for many special situations Jul 10 13:18:03 it's reasonably safe for attended charging that will be killed/stopped by user after max 6h Jul 10 13:19:01 don't use it with PC usb hosts or weak chargers, as it doesn't care about overloading etc Jul 10 13:19:37 any hints how to install curl? Jul 10 13:19:49 apt-get doesn't find a package :( Jul 10 13:19:58 DocScrutinizer: Understood. Only for desperate situations. I was recently overseas and did not have a charger for my Treo650, and must have gone to a dozen local stores hunting for a charger/adapter/battery for the non-standard socket. I was so gratified to see that the N900 used a standard micro-USB. Jul 10 13:20:52 Bluewind: I don't see a package when I search under http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=curl Jul 10 13:21:04 Bluewind: But there's wget, though. Do you need curl specifically? Jul 10 13:21:09 yeah Jul 10 13:22:07 DocScrutinizer: Any recommendations on soldering? Did you just use a solder trail or actually attach a piece of metal to short D+ to D-? Did you solder the socket end (ie. computer end) like I plan to do, or did you solder the plug end (cable end)? Jul 10 13:22:52 Bluewind: I see libcurl and pycurl... I don't suppose you'd want to write your own Python version or something. I wonder if wget is included in some GNU utils package? Jul 10 13:23:18 kwtm: My charger is a wallwart with A-F receptacle. I soldered a blob over the two pins/solderpads of the receptacle Jul 10 13:23:41 kwtm: I.E. computer end Jul 10 13:24:07 DocScrutinizer: And the act of plugging in the plug did not scrape off the solder? Ok. Jul 10 13:24:09 I use standard CA-101 cable with that Jul 10 13:24:37 kwtm: the solder pads are inside the charger, on the PCB Jul 10 13:26:03 DocScrutinizer: Right... at first I thought the metal of the plug would scrape it off, but come to think of it now, that's just the ground housing, and the contacts themselves are embedded in the plastic tongue that floats inside the housing. Great; will try on cheap plug and then work on my car chargers if that's successful. Jul 10 13:26:36 Bluewind: Compile from source? I see a Maemo 3.2 binary but not Maemo 5.0. I assume you're talking about a n900? Jul 10 13:26:44 yes Jul 10 13:27:21 well I've nerver compiled any dpkg packages and know near to nothing about their buildsystem Jul 10 13:28:17 Me either. Sorry I can't help you more; maybe the veterans here can help. Jul 10 13:28:25 thx anyway Jul 10 13:28:33 Anyway, gonna get some sleep. TTYL all. Thanks Doc for the soldering advice. Jul 10 13:31:52 kwtm: I never soldered any USB *plug*. Solder the end of the cable where wires are soldered to PCB, or where the receptacle is soldered to PCB Jul 10 13:32:17 DocScrutinizer: he's gone Jul 10 13:32:30 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Jul 10 13:33:16 nobody has broke in the nokia HQ yet? Jul 10 13:33:45 kerio: to do what? Jul 10 13:33:51 enter, copy the bme's source, exit Jul 10 13:34:21 because it is of such state your eyes will bleed if you try to read it Jul 10 13:34:24 ;) Jul 10 13:35:41 ack XP Jul 10 13:36:01 many tried, nobody came back Jul 10 13:39:50 DocScrutinizer: did they get caught, or did they die looking at the source? Jul 10 13:40:09 btw I said before: we don't even want to know what bme does. We are able to figure what it *should* do, and we found several bugs in bme already Jul 10 13:40:26 kerio: probably #2 Jul 10 13:41:10 DocScrutinizer51: yes we do Jul 10 13:41:17 so we can write a replacement Jul 10 13:41:22 and by "we" i mean you developers Jul 10 13:42:28 exactly. we write a better replacement from scratch if we never had a look at original bme crap Jul 10 13:42:52 bme is just wrong and buggy Jul 10 13:43:31 all we need is Nokia's specs for BL-5J battery care Jul 10 13:43:51 and that is quite evidentally not to be found in bme Jul 10 13:46:59 DocScrutinizer51: what about OS integration? Jul 10 13:47:29 Stskeeps did that already, for mer Jul 10 13:48:04 hum? Jul 10 13:48:29 oh, right - hald-addon-bme replacement Jul 10 13:48:46 and what else we'd need (beyond hald-addon-bme) is not in bme anyway - like D+/- short charger detection which is in musb_core Jul 10 13:50:36 or ENUM. guess where you find that Jul 10 13:50:58 what else left for 'OS integration'? Jul 10 13:52:14 maybe the watchdog in dsme? not really a big thing. we can live without - it's largely nonsense Jul 10 13:52:56 DocScrutinizer51: we need a way to help noobs charge back the battery if it gets too low Jul 10 13:53:07 i mean, that's kernel level Jul 10 13:53:09 but still Jul 10 13:53:21 no that's hw level Jul 10 13:53:34 and nothing to be done Jul 10 13:54:17 just works - integrated in usb charge chip bq24150 Jul 10 13:54:58 the failsafe charging... Jul 10 13:55:08 i really wonder *why* isn't charging fully hw anyway Jul 10 13:56:20 simply because bq24150 is missing an EPROM to configure for a particular battery Jul 10 13:57:33 so it reverts to absolutely safe power on presets which will charge just every cell in a safe way but only to some 10% Jul 10 14:00:26 DocScrutinizer: reasoning behind this? Jul 10 14:00:35 it's not like you can use a different battery in a n900 anyway Jul 10 14:00:57 well it's not nokia who built that chip Jul 10 14:01:05 sure you can :P Jul 10 14:01:27 and yes. there's mugen and whatnot Jul 10 14:02:40 and for ENUM you'll end with needing a software anyway. So why integrate functions to hw that are moe cheap to do in sw Jul 10 14:03:11 because you're going to make crappy sw that people on IRC are going to whine about? Jul 10 14:03:14 like configuring the chip for 4.2V instead of 3.7V Jul 10 14:03:40 not me :-P Jul 10 14:03:51 maybe Nokia subcontractors Jul 10 14:06:48 and see my 'script' (it's almost not worth the name, but still does the job). How easy is that, and how hard would it be to fix if charger hw would be similarly borked as bme is Jul 10 14:08:05 nah 'let's do it in hw just becuase we got poor sw engineers' is never a good strategy Jul 10 14:09:37 DocScrutinizer: hardware is tested a lot more Jul 10 14:09:45 rom-basic was a deadend Jul 10 14:10:03 kerio: hahahahaha Jul 10 14:10:05 ha Jul 10 14:10:07 haha Jul 10 14:10:10 HA Jul 10 14:10:14 stop crushing all my hopes Jul 10 14:10:16 :( Jul 10 14:11:33 ty for the info on bq24150 DocScrutinizer51 Jul 10 14:12:56 (still gasping) you're welcome. Which pericularly? Jul 10 14:14:42 Good day Jul 10 14:18:36 is it possible that moving swap to MicroSD will hurt battery life? :/ Jul 10 14:19:29 k Jul 10 14:21:49 DocScrutinizer51: there is that BSI Jul 10 14:21:56 DocScrutinizer51: which seems to be battery specifig Jul 10 14:21:59 specific* Jul 10 14:22:06 jacekowski: yep Jul 10 14:22:25 jacekowski: BL-5J == 100k Jul 10 14:23:17 unclear if it holds a thermofuse as well. like open circuit above 70C Jul 10 14:23:47 that's why we need Nokia bl5j specs Jul 10 14:23:59 have we asked nokia? Jul 10 14:24:40 not yet. Stskeeps says no use in that for next 3 weeks Jul 10 14:25:55 and there is one more thing Jul 10 14:25:58 I'm not going to buy 10 bl-5j and kill them in test + R3 Jul 10 14:26:05 RE Jul 10 14:26:13 why is bsi connected to gazoo Jul 10 14:26:16 DocScrutinizer: aw :( Jul 10 14:26:54 jacekowski: good question Jul 10 14:27:44 maybe because one nice day in the past somebody thought it's not a fixed R but a NTC like on old Nokia batteries Jul 10 14:29:13 or to shut down GSM TX *immediately* so even when you remove battery there's still enough time for bme to gracefully shut down system? Jul 10 14:29:48 which wouldn't work if GSM is drawing 2A and you remove battery Jul 10 14:30:25 but then there's no use in this when not hooked up to charger to backup power Jul 10 14:30:54 jacekowski: we should meet and have 4 beer each while discussing that Jul 10 14:32:08 any way to reanimate a dead battery without a 2nd phone there ? when i connect the charger just the orange light is lit but wont boot or anything :| Jul 10 14:33:00 dr34m, have you tried keeping it that way for a while? Jul 10 14:33:25 the light goes off than but it wont boot still nor anything jup Jul 10 14:33:28 jacekowski: cargo cult EE probably Jul 10 14:34:18 kinda annoying they should supply some desktop charger or a 2nd phone with the n900 package =p Jul 10 14:35:31 dr34m, when I last had an empty battery, charging it for a while (remove battery, insert battery, use original charger for dr34m: yellow steady light=leave it. light off= replug charger. blinking yellow= you should be able to boot now Jul 10 14:36:01 dr34m: always use original wallcharger Jul 10 14:36:32 DocScrutinizer51: is there a car charger that works with the n900? Jul 10 14:36:44 crashanddie: dunno Jul 10 14:37:03 you'd think Nokia should sell those :-) Jul 10 14:37:08 DocScrutinizer51: what's the charge voltage? How complicated would the circuit be? Does it need to have this usb-power-negotiation thingy? Jul 10 14:37:12 I got no car Jul 10 14:37:22 crashanddie, not complicated at all, in principle Jul 10 14:37:35 crashanddie, it needs to provide 5V and possibly 700mA Jul 10 14:37:52 nope. just 5.0V @ 1A. And D+/- short Jul 10 14:37:55 thanks for the reply DocScrutinizer51 and flux ill try that.. only using original wall charger anyways Jul 10 14:37:56 crashanddie, of course, given it's in a car, it must guard atleast for the overvoltage situation Jul 10 14:38:18 (you're going to get when you start the car) Jul 10 14:38:36 s/car/bike/ Jul 10 14:38:37 http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6584/photo016.jpg Jul 10 14:38:49 I guess the same applies Jul 10 14:38:53 dr34m: yellow steady is limited to 32 minutes. replug every half hour Jul 10 14:38:59 not sure, though Jul 10 14:39:06 wouldn't hurt atleast :) Jul 10 14:39:33 that a construction failure / bug on nokia side ? Jul 10 14:39:42 wtf Jul 10 14:39:46 N900 won't stop vibrating Jul 10 14:39:54 give it to your gf Jul 10 14:39:58 sorry :x Jul 10 14:40:29 dr34m: not really Jul 10 14:40:58 dr34m: usually you shouldn't be able to drain your bat that much Jul 10 14:41:32 oke Jul 10 14:41:50 if it happens nevertheless, then there's 32min steady yellow emergency recover mode for charging Jul 10 14:42:20 should give you a bat at 25% after 30 min Jul 10 14:42:34 maybe at 10 Jul 10 14:42:53 ok when the light goes off i replug the charger and repeat that till its working ? Jul 10 14:43:00 anyway should suffice to boot and charge as usual after that Jul 10 14:43:08 yep Jul 10 14:43:16 i ordered a spare battery and a desktop charger anyways now Jul 10 14:43:21 specially in the weekend damnit Jul 10 14:46:23 dr34m: maybe it's wise to also remove the battery for some minutes. Especially if device doesn't show any yellow indicator light immediately on charger plugin Jul 10 14:47:05 ~ping MohammadAG51 Jul 10 14:47:06 pong MohammadAG51 Jul 10 14:47:22 flux: I'll probrably get this: http://www.equipmoto.fr/accessoire-moto-prise-allume-cigare-de-courant-moto.html Jul 10 14:49:08 crashanddie: skooter, motorbike? Jul 10 14:49:15 motorbike Jul 10 14:49:23 DocScrutinizer51: link I posted before Jul 10 14:50:03 be carefull, I've seen at least 3 fried devices (Freerunner) due to crappy USB car chargers plugged in while starting motor Jul 10 14:50:21 will do Jul 10 14:50:25 ouch Jul 10 14:50:33 * luke-jr sticks to an inverter... Jul 10 14:51:04 so no comments on whether swap-on-microSD will harm battery life? Jul 10 14:51:09 well, N900 is way more robust on VBUS OV Jul 10 14:51:18 but still.... Jul 10 14:51:41 DocScrutinizer51: I can connect an SSR to the headlamps cable so that the power is cut immediately as soon as the engine is off (the headlamps come up when the engine is started) Jul 10 14:51:48 luke-jr: sure, might keep uSD powered all the time Jul 10 14:52:12 or rather an EMR, rather than SSR Jul 10 14:52:12 crashanddie: sounds reasonable Jul 10 14:52:39 DocScrutinizer51: would also prevent people from plugging in something into the plug and draining my battery while it is parked Jul 10 14:52:57 good plan Jul 10 14:54:23 I wonder if I could use a transistor rather than a relay... 5v at 700mA, so roughly 3.5W, that should be findable Jul 10 14:55:18 DocScrutinizer51: though, why were they fried? Because it went over 12V? Jul 10 14:55:43 unclear Jul 10 14:55:56 probably high voltage bursts Jul 10 14:55:58 well, most likely, it's not like it could sudden pump amps through Jul 10 14:56:13 well, there is a jumper on that circuit Jul 10 14:57:20 maybe even transients of inverted polarity Jul 10 14:57:39 hey guys Jul 10 14:57:55 is there anyone here who could help me with a little bit of a gtk stuff? Jul 10 14:58:07 DocScrutinizer51: scary Jul 10 14:58:10 GTK ftl Jul 10 14:58:13 we checked one of the chargers, but couldn't find clear problems Jul 10 14:59:01 Rather boring question, but what would people call the widget in the top left: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100709-124603.png Jul 10 14:59:22 I'm trying to come up with a better name than "CompassWidget" something more succinct about the actual widget style .. Jul 10 14:59:30 compass Jul 10 14:59:45 Sure, but the widget below is also a compass .. Jul 10 15:00:39 I was thinking maybe: SlideCompass Jul 10 15:00:48 alterego, sounds plausible. Jul 10 15:01:38 Or maybe: TapeCompass, or RuleCompass, or CompassRule :) Jul 10 15:01:42 alterego: side compass Jul 10 15:01:59 Ah, maybe HCompass :) Jul 10 15:02:04 Or HorizontalCompass Jul 10 15:02:16 That's a pretty goodf idea. Jul 10 15:03:55 periscope? Jul 10 15:04:02 GAN900: -.-; Jul 10 15:04:07 head up display compass? Jul 10 15:04:18 GAN900: 3GData + WiFi works fine concurrently with stock 1.2 Jul 10 15:04:26 I was thinking, going along with Qt widget names: SlideCompass and DialCompass Jul 10 15:04:53 oh fucking hell. 'we have to stop the train cos we need to look at a technical problem' Jul 10 15:05:05 alterego: Bearing Jul 10 15:05:12 scale compass Jul 10 15:05:18 bearing Jul 10 15:05:22 that's it Jul 10 15:05:23 Heh Jul 10 15:05:27 so um Jul 10 15:05:40 think T-Mobile is any more likely to let me subscribe now that I have a SIM? Jul 10 15:05:54 Stskeeps: too hot :-P Jul 10 15:05:57 SlideBearing .. Jul 10 15:06:03 And DialBearing? :) Jul 10 15:06:48 GeoBearingSlide, and GeoBearingDial are my favourites so far :P Jul 10 15:06:55 DocScrutinizer51: got a plane to catch so they better fix it Jul 10 15:07:10 alterego: why make it compass-specific? :P Jul 10 15:07:17 luke-jr: I'm not, Jul 10 15:07:36 O.o Jul 10 15:07:47 that was a joke. I can't think of a viable non-compass use Jul 10 15:08:09 luke-jr: Well, I'm making generic base classes Jul 10 15:08:26 The Compass/Bearing usage is obviously a specialization of the base classes. Jul 10 15:08:32 BearingScale Jul 10 15:08:56 alterego: has it ruler-markers? :P Jul 10 15:09:35 luke-jr: did you look at the picture? :P Jul 10 15:09:38 no Jul 10 15:09:44 Oh, well, yes it does :) Jul 10 15:09:59 * luke-jr clicks Jul 10 15:10:23 woo, driving again Jul 10 15:10:46 alterego: base 6??? Jul 10 15:10:47 DocScrutinizer51: does the Freerunner have phone capability? Jul 10 15:10:58 define capability Jul 10 15:11:00 ;) Jul 10 15:11:06 luke-jr: ? Jul 10 15:11:12 DrGrov: allegedly yes XP Jul 10 15:11:27 alterego: your ruler markings are oddly base 6 Jul 10 15:11:30 I can make regular GSM phone calls? Jul 10 15:11:41 alterego: compass rose, compass scale Jul 10 15:11:57 luke-jr: are they? Jul 10 15:12:09 I don't see it ... Jul 10 15:12:22 DrGrov: sometimes Jul 10 15:12:33 usually Jul 10 15:12:40 alterego: well, a mixed combination Jul 10 15:12:49 Well, the base class is obviously a "SlideRule" class :) Jul 10 15:12:58 you have 9 divisions between directions, then 6 divisions within those Jul 10 15:13:07 luke-jr: Well, it's got 1, 5, 45 and 90 degree markings. Jul 10 15:13:12 I don't use degrees. Jul 10 15:13:26 DocScrutinizer: usually? so it has some issues? Jul 10 15:13:43 luke-jr: what do you use for your bearings? Radians? :) Jul 10 15:13:49 alterego: Tims Jul 10 15:13:57 Never heard of 'em Jul 10 15:13:58 and timtons as necessary Jul 10 15:14:04 DrGrov: well yes. it's not extremly reliable Jul 10 15:14:19 DocScrutinizer51: ok, perhaps better to stick with the N900 then :) Jul 10 15:14:22 DrGrov: mostly due to userland sw Jul 10 15:14:31 oh, i see. Jul 10 15:15:13 alterego: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/tonal-system/10991090 Jul 10 15:15:35 luke-jr: yeah, you showed me that before I believe :P Jul 10 15:15:56 I do plan on implementing custom "conversions" unit systems. Jul 10 15:17:00 alterego: divide each direction in half, repeat, rinse Jul 10 15:17:14 eg, see bottom half of http://www.k12math.com/math-concepts/measurement/ruler-cm.jpg Jul 10 15:18:15 Yeah, I get it Jul 10 15:18:54 or for a better example... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Hexadecimal_compass_by_Nystrom.jpg/350px-Hexadecimal_compass_by_Nystrom.jpg Jul 10 15:19:35 Still doesn't sound too common to me :P Jul 10 15:19:54 alterego: not common at all, just logical and easy :) Jul 10 15:20:02 why make things hard? Jul 10 15:20:21 Well, it's not about difficulty, it's about standards isn't it :P Jul 10 15:20:38 Tonal is a better standard Jul 10 15:20:51 It's not standard though Jul 10 15:22:50 it's a standard. Jul 10 15:22:51 :) Jul 10 15:23:30 I'd say it's a format, it's not a standard until more than one person use it and in some industry :P Jul 10 15:25:54 luke-jr: you won't change the world :-P Jul 10 15:26:22 alterego: hmm, so I need to convince one other person... :D Jul 10 15:26:43 Hahah# Jul 10 15:26:52 And use it in the such for some oil maybe :P Jul 10 15:26:59 s/such/search/ ... Jul 10 15:27:16 we'll rather see the British use Euro or the USA go SI units, than becoming tonal any form of standard Jul 10 15:27:32 Heh Jul 10 15:28:12 SI sucks Jul 10 15:28:19 luke-jr, forget us ever using the Euro Jul 10 15:28:21 DocScrutinizer51: I am extremely impressed by the Freerunner. I might need to get one. The problem is my fiancee saying that I will get brutally murdered if I buy one. Jul 10 15:28:24 lol Jul 10 15:28:37 DrGrov: impressed how? Jul 10 15:28:39 hehehe Jul 10 15:28:43 DrGrov: does it work now? Jul 10 15:28:44 I'm not sure Europe would have us with the current state of our economy :) Jul 10 15:29:41 luke-jr: It seems to be interesting since I like Linux on my phones Jul 10 15:30:25 DrGrov: yeah, the theory is awesome Jul 10 15:30:27 DrGrov: SHR seems most usable distro for now Jul 10 15:30:30 but AFAIK it's never actually worked Jul 10 15:30:48 DocScrutinizer51: yes, I read that SHR is most used. Jul 10 15:31:03 luke-jr: uh? I used it for daily phone until I got N900 Jul 10 15:31:14 someone using a bluetooth ear with the n900? Jul 10 15:31:18 DocScrutinizer51: really? O.o Jul 10 15:31:20 The phone is not expensive so I might want to give it a go Jul 10 15:31:21 here it sounds all distorted Jul 10 15:31:23 sejo: yes, i use Jul 10 15:31:36 but not when using the BT device with other phones Jul 10 15:31:45 sejo: if you mean bluetooth hands free Jul 10 15:31:48 DrGrov: good sound? Jul 10 15:31:50 yes Jul 10 15:31:56 sejo: yes, the sound is really good. Jul 10 15:32:10 sejo: are you using a default Nokia BT HF? Jul 10 15:32:17 on my previous cor it was ok, but with such an earbud it's not Jul 10 15:32:46 sejo: which bluetooth HF are you currently using? Jul 10 15:32:54 DrGrov: no an LG HBM-215 Jul 10 15:33:07 sejo: there you go. that is the problem... Jul 10 15:33:40 sejo: always try to use a default Bluetooth HF with Nokia. That seems to be always working out the best. Jul 10 15:33:50 any idea how to say 3G in Japanese? XD Jul 10 15:33:54 Sony HBH-DS220 ... WFM Jul 10 15:34:28 sejo: I currently use the Nokia 2xx series BT on my N900 without any problems Jul 10 15:34:35 DrGrov: not buying another Jul 10 15:34:47 bleh Jul 10 15:34:50 sucks Jul 10 15:35:14 sejo: you could easily get a Nokia 2xx series BT for approximately 40 euros Jul 10 15:35:32 DocScrutinizer51: That is a quality BT :) Jul 10 15:37:43 i got really interested in this Bluetooth HF Jul 10 15:38:58 sejo: it is a Nokia BH-216 I got as a headset. http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/headsets/bluetooth-headsets/nokia-bluetooth-headset-bh-216 Jul 10 15:39:28 it is the BH-904 I got really interested about... http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/headsets/bluetooth-headsets/nokia-bluetooth-headset-bh-904 Jul 10 15:39:35 The price though is a huge minor problem Jul 10 15:40:44 I tested it in Helsinki at the Nokia Flagship Store and it was impressive. There was some loud music playing and I was staying in the middle of the sound and I hear clearly everything the guy said. Jul 10 15:43:04 Guys, which one of these 2 would you recommend? the Nokia BH-904 or the Nokia BH-804, http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/headsets/bluetooth-headsets/nokia-bluetooth-headset-bh-804? Jul 10 15:43:08 http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/headsets/bluetooth-headsets/nokia-bluetooth-headset-bh-804 Jul 10 15:43:15 Sorry for double posting links... Jul 10 15:52:17 brb Jul 10 15:54:17 * Arkenoi wonders if subscribing to city area wifi helps me to save battery or switching hotspots while walking would kill it even faster Jul 10 16:09:45 where to find exact PR 1.2 kernel sources? :) Jul 10 16:19:59 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle ?? Jul 10 16:20:48 Arkenoi: switching hotspots isn't so expensive Jul 10 16:21:14 Arkenoi: depends on what you compare it to... Jul 10 16:22:39 Arkenoi: on a correctly configured wide area WLAN with multiple APs, there should basically be no such thing like switching hotspots Jul 10 16:22:51 luke-jr, r.m.o? Jul 10 16:22:59 is there a website for the Maemo Game Openlands? Jul 10 16:23:04 keyword: exact Jul 10 16:23:07 I didn't find one over google Jul 10 16:23:42 luke-jr: hmm, ask Stskeeps maybe Jul 10 16:24:14 luke-jr: who knows how 'exact' the published sources are? Jul 10 16:24:52 luke-jr, whatever the one in there whose version matches. Jul 10 16:25:32 DocScrutinizer, comparing to poor quality mixed edge/3g network Jul 10 16:26:10 will try, subscription costs about $17 Jul 10 16:27:14 monthly Jul 10 16:35:00 wh Jul 10 16:35:40 there is a vibration and sound whenever I click on almost anything in N900, how to disable that? Jul 10 16:37:39 Under settings > display, smhar Jul 10 16:37:54 or similar; running swedish version Jul 10 16:38:55 found, thanks FireFly|n900, I hope this will save a little more battery Jul 10 16:40:10 I don't think that drains the battery very much, though reducing the backlight Ã¥robably does Jul 10 16:40:15 probably* Jul 10 16:40:33 just guessing, though Jul 10 16:43:42 Arkenoi: WLAN will win every time GSM competes Jul 10 16:51:46 6 Jul 10 16:52:14 7 Jul 10 16:55:46 hey all Jul 10 16:58:40 F-Zero X at 30 FPS? Hell yeah Jul 10 17:03:22 Hey all Jul 10 17:04:27 is appinstaller worth installing? Jul 10 17:04:38 what are the advantages? Jul 10 17:14:27 PhonicUK: is that snes? Jul 10 17:14:36 no the N64 version Jul 10 17:15:44 using Mupen64 Jul 10 17:28:10 my phone is warm Jul 10 17:28:15 running at 1GHz though xD Jul 10 17:28:20 its really stable :\ Jul 10 17:28:33 its been looping the F-Zero X intro for nearly an hour now Jul 10 17:39:37 PhonicUK: what's your overclock configuration? Jul 10 17:39:56 standard voltages, 900MHz Jul 10 17:41:02 brb Jul 10 17:42:11 Quick question about the Black Plastic Theme Pack that came to the extras-repositories today. Do I need to uninstall the regular Black Plastic theme first before I put in the Theme Pack version? Jul 10 17:45:54 So to enable the theme I need to go into Settings first and choose what I want and then enable it? Jul 10 17:48:06 hum Jul 10 17:48:17 I just wrote a DNS tunnel client in 100 lines of Perl :D Jul 10 17:48:29 most of which is decoding the AAAA replies into binary dat Jul 10 17:48:30 a Jul 10 17:59:17 vnc is so slow over EDGE Jul 10 17:59:31 i need to find a new case for this xbox360 Jul 10 17:59:37 i want to l33t it out with the clear case and red lights Jul 10 17:59:49 red lights? overheat it Jul 10 17:59:54 * SpeedEvil passes Macer some brass sheet and mahogany. Jul 10 18:00:00 haha Jul 10 18:00:13 oh yeah. let me put some wood grain on the xbox360 Jul 10 18:03:15 http://aleptu.com/xbox-360-mods-0519202.html Jul 10 18:03:27 the one at the top with the 2 halo characters.. that's taking it too far :) Jul 10 18:03:33 especially since halo is a total shit game Jul 10 18:05:28 is there any money management program for N900 already Jul 10 18:06:14 yes Jul 10 18:06:17 there are a couple Jul 10 18:06:20 maemoney/ Jul 10 18:06:54 err Jul 10 18:06:55 not that Jul 10 18:07:41 not online stocks stuff, but personal budget management Jul 10 18:08:08 It did not have an obvious name Jul 10 18:08:23 just a question in regards to installation of .deb's from www in microb Jul 10 18:08:27 when you click on deb Jul 10 18:08:37 ah Jul 10 18:08:38 it should automaticaly install dependencies as well? Jul 10 18:08:51 http://maemo.org/packages/view/siggy/ Jul 10 18:09:20 There was another one, but I don't recall the name Jul 10 18:09:52 jacekowski: i think there's a way to add a repo and download&install a program (with dependencies) Jul 10 18:10:17 luke-jr what version of perl is that. are you using IO::Socket::SSL ??. Jul 10 18:10:36 type_t_: 5.8.8, no Jul 10 18:10:39 DNS doesn't need SSL Jul 10 18:14:28 oh...not in extra yet! Jul 10 18:15:50 I managed that Black Plastic Theme Pack to get working without any problems Jul 10 18:15:54 Really great theme Jul 10 18:16:33 MohammadAG51: Hi there, did you do the custom transitions for Black Plastic Theme Pack? If so they are absolutely fantastic :) Jul 10 18:16:54 DrGrov, sorry to disappointed, but nope :P Jul 10 18:17:12 Macer: why didn't you buy the cool Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Xbox 360 when it was released? :) Jul 10 18:17:50 hah Jul 10 18:17:56 i don't get game related cases Jul 10 18:18:16 i just wanta clear case so i can get it all lit up Jul 10 18:18:40 i want to remove the drive top too and put one in with a window Jul 10 18:18:56 i think i am going to need a power booster for the LEDs tho :( Jul 10 18:19:02 is amrothos from youtube here? Jul 10 18:19:15 he is controling a arduino w/ his N800 Jul 10 18:19:45 I'm interested in the kernel drivers for the usb to serial chip on the arduino.. Jul 10 18:23:18 MohammadAG51: how did them then? No disappointment Jul 10 18:23:33 D-Iivil_Work, i suppose Jul 10 18:23:56 MohammadAG51: ah yes, he himself made them I presume. But you did some scripting? Jul 10 18:24:15 no, why do you think I'm involved? Jul 10 18:24:28 i only slightly helped with the script Jul 10 18:24:44 Macer: how do you order this cases? Jul 10 18:24:56 MohammadAG51: you are in the credits ... Jul 10 18:25:26 heh Jul 10 18:25:28 if I added extra-testing to my N900 repos, will I be able to see if the app is from extra or extra-testing? and will it show its karma level? or do I need to check the web for every application? Jul 10 18:25:31 didn't know that :P Jul 10 18:28:29 smhar: it will show the catalog if you tap the "Description" button Jul 10 18:28:43 DrGrov: by clicking "buy" ? Jul 10 18:28:45 haha Jul 10 18:32:02 Macer: lol Jul 10 18:33:20 but yeah. i think that is the case i will get. the clear one Jul 10 18:33:33 i figure like $200 should be enough to make the old xbox look good as new heh Jul 10 18:33:40 most likely less than that Jul 10 18:40:11 200... Jul 10 18:40:57 WTF should you need to pay about 200... Should be cheaper on the cases I've seen. Surely not the same as the one you're thinking about but you don't think that it is a bit much? Jul 10 18:45:21 http://maemos.ru/heya wazd Jul 10 18:45:27 heya wazd Jul 10 18:47:27 Anyone has got the apple bt keyboard driver compiled for the PR1.2 kernel? Jul 10 18:49:04 RST38h: you don't need any special driver Jul 10 18:49:19 RST38h: it's just working as soon as you enable correct bt profile Jul 10 18:50:11 it does not. Jul 10 18:50:22 needs a special driver. Jul 10 18:55:37 rst38h: will see if reducing swappiness will help with ui reposnsibility degradation i get after a week of uptime or so Jul 10 18:56:22 Arkenoi: I am waiting to see that as well. 1 day uptime right now. Jul 10 18:56:51 Arkenoi: does it feel better so far though? Jul 10 18:57:41 RST38h, seems so Jul 10 18:57:48 RST38h: you odn't need a driver Jul 10 18:58:32 RST38h: you just have to enable HID profile and that's all Jul 10 18:58:43 * RST38h sighs at jacekowski Jul 10 18:58:55 The guy just doesn't do his fact checking =( Jul 10 18:59:02 i hat apple keyboard Jul 10 18:59:07 have* Jul 10 18:59:31 A'ok. Let us conduct an experiment. Maybe PR1.2 magically fixed that. Jul 10 18:59:41 Module Size Used by Jul 10 18:59:42 hidp 12544 1 Jul 10 18:59:42 hid 31876 1 hidp Jul 10 18:59:58 anybody want to play a game of 'hunt' sometime, for old-times sake? Jul 10 19:01:43 RST38h: i never had any driver for pr1.1 Jul 10 19:01:54 RST38h: as well as i never had any driver for pr1.2 Jul 10 19:02:01 RST38h: and it was working just fine Jul 10 19:02:06 <_0x471> how can I check if my application is still building in the autobuilder. it's 4 hours ago, wtf? Jul 10 19:02:27 _0x471: what was the name? Jul 10 19:02:41 <_0x471> libboost1.42 Jul 10 19:02:52 that will take a lot to build Jul 10 19:02:55 freemantle? Jul 10 19:02:55 <_0x471> failed once, but the second try should be ok Jul 10 19:02:58 <_0x471> yes Jul 10 19:03:08 <_0x471> how fast is the autobuilders cpu? Jul 10 19:03:10 hmm it has finished Jul 10 19:03:20 <_0x471> it took an hour on my 2x3ghz vm Jul 10 19:03:30 i would guess something around 4x2.6GHz Jul 10 19:03:32 <_0x471> huh? Jul 10 19:03:43 as it's little bit slower than mine 2.83GHz Jul 10 19:03:52 _0x471: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libboost_1.37.0-3/armel.build.log.OK.txt Jul 10 19:03:58 Naah, same shit. Jul 10 19:04:07 hmmm Jul 10 19:04:11 <_0x471> jacekowski: 1.42 :) Jul 10 19:04:15 Sorry, jacekowski, but it needs a kernel driver. Jul 10 19:04:15 RST38h: well, what's the problem? Jul 10 19:04:19 RST38h: bullshit Jul 10 19:04:25 jacekowski: google for it, will'ya? Jul 10 19:04:34 RST38h: well, i trust my eyes Jul 10 19:04:37 <_0x471> jacekowski: failed here https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-July/024962.html Jul 10 19:04:48 <_0x471> but the second one still didn't update the status Jul 10 19:05:00 RST38h: i have it working without any drivers Jul 10 19:05:15 RST38h: /etc/bluetooth/main.conf Jul 10 19:05:28 <_0x471> jacekowski: what happens if I add it one more time, but the first one happens to compile ok? Jul 10 19:05:34 RST38h: line DisablePlugins? Jul 10 19:05:39 RST38h: what do you have there? Jul 10 19:05:41 <_0x471> will it crash the first build? Jul 10 19:05:46 _0x471: no Jul 10 19:05:56 _0x471: it will just reject one of them Jul 10 19:06:10 <_0x471> ok, then i'll just add it again to ensure it's actually there. Jul 10 19:06:12 <_0x471> thanks Jul 10 19:06:12 the latter one Jul 10 19:07:41 RST38h: Nokia-N900-02-8:/# hcitool con Jul 10 19:07:41 Connections: > ACL 7C:6D:62:41:B0:AD handle 11 state 1 lm MASTER AUTH ENCRYPT Jul 10 19:08:12 RST38h: so unless in some automagical way i have that driver Jul 10 19:08:19 RST38h: it's working without it Jul 10 19:09:14 fmms - any one having problem sending mms's says it's gone but never gets delivered? Jul 10 19:09:30 FireStorm|: it's network problem then Jul 10 19:10:05 :( Jul 10 19:10:19 but i take sim out n900 put in G1 send pictures all day long Jul 10 19:10:53 oO Jul 10 19:10:59 bme sends signals over dbus somehow Jul 10 19:11:08 but there is no dbus code in bme itself Jul 10 19:11:44 hmm, nvm Jul 10 19:11:58 i know frals is on here i'll pick his brains when he back Jul 10 19:12:01 just seemed strange Jul 10 19:17:09 RST38h: moo :) Jul 10 19:17:53 hi Jul 10 19:21:10 <_0x471> jacekowski: if the autobuilder site states my application as being in the build queue, is it already building? Jul 10 19:21:27 _0x471: no Jul 10 19:21:30 it's in a queue Jul 10 19:21:43 <_0x471> wtf? it's been added 4 hours ago? Jul 10 19:22:52 <_0x471> i don't get it, lets see what happens Jul 10 19:25:43 i'm just wondering if nokia would take down a patcher for fmtxd modyfing it to ignore usb cable and headphones state Jul 10 19:28:41 is it possible to include more fields in the contacts? like prefix ? Jul 10 19:30:11 jacekowski: probably not. I mean they even accept powerkernel Jul 10 19:31:10 I wouldn't hope for inclusion to harmatan though Jul 10 19:31:29 hmm, My N900 was in an infinite reboot loop, I enabled R&D mode and disabled the lifeguard reset, it boots now, but how can I find the root issue which caused it? Jul 10 19:32:38 xnt14: /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets and /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_restarts Jul 10 19:32:44 jacekowski: ok Jul 10 19:32:48 hmm Jul 10 19:35:09 jacekowski: http://xceleo.pastebin.com/A5bQYbja Jul 10 19:37:05 hmm, i think somebody had same problem Jul 10 19:37:08 not so long ago Jul 10 19:37:31 just flash it Jul 10 19:37:45 hmm Jul 10 19:37:54 so copy my data out, and reflash? Jul 10 19:38:15 is it safe to reflash while in R&D Mode? (just want to be safe) Jul 10 19:42:57 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.17790 Interesting. (though somewhat irrelevant) SATA drive replacement using striped SDs Jul 10 19:46:26 hmmm Jul 10 19:46:33 how do you check if headphones are plugged it? Jul 10 19:46:36 plugged in* Jul 10 19:50:38 http://maemo.org/packages/view/headphoned/ Jul 10 19:52:11 btw, how does n900 behave if you have two bluetooth headsets? Jul 10 19:54:00 i don't think n900 can handle 2 bluetooth connections Jul 10 19:56:26 really? Jul 10 19:59:03 dunno Jul 10 20:03:52 I could see it wouldn't suport a master- and a slave-connection simultaneously Jul 10 20:04:18 but iirc you can have 7 bluetooth slave-connections in one master Jul 10 20:11:17 There is what the hardware can in principle do. Jul 10 20:11:25 Then there is what the chipset in question can do. Jul 10 20:11:34 then there is what teh firmware in the chipset actually does Jul 10 20:11:58 and if the drivers and OS and application side actually support all the features the firmware enables Jul 10 20:21:14 oh. my. god Jul 10 20:21:18 poor Forlan Jul 10 20:21:27 that's super fail Jul 10 20:25:07 mm? Jul 10 20:34:23 anyone know where I can find the installer files for nokia maps for n900? Jul 10 20:35:36 maybe /var/cache/apt/archives Jul 10 20:42:23 grrr dbus Jul 10 20:42:29 how do i send dbus message to enable fmtx Jul 10 21:15:02 hi all. Jul 10 21:16:26 hi Jul 10 21:17:05 is anyone getting sigsegv when trying to run 'aptitude' (on root, no arguments, just aptitude) too ? Jul 10 21:17:59 reducing the swappiness to increase UI responsivity is dumb Jul 10 21:25:16 kerio: why? Jul 10 21:25:33 because the swappiness is there for a reason Jul 10 21:25:50 you're trading ui responsivity for i/o caching Jul 10 21:26:16 i mean Jul 10 21:26:20 the opposite Jul 10 21:26:24 well, but as long as phone runs more smoothly we do not really care, right? Jul 10 21:26:52 ...yes we do? Jul 10 21:26:54 at least, i do Jul 10 21:27:01 why? Jul 10 21:27:20 what's wrong with this tradeoff? Jul 10 21:27:47 3 seconds to open a menu after two hours is an acceptable tradeoff for 30 seconds less when compiling a kernel Jul 10 21:28:14 you notice the first, but you don't notice the second Jul 10 21:28:53 What content I backup when I use the default backup tool Jul 10 21:30:40 nadley, /etc/osso-backup has a list of sorts Jul 10 21:31:11 flux: I don't understand what you say Jul 10 21:31:34 nadley, /etc/osos-backup/applications contains the lists that control what the backup backs up Jul 10 21:31:48 ok Jul 10 21:32:34 kerio, it's ok for me, then ;-) Jul 10 21:32:59 i do not recompile kernel on-device every day Jul 10 21:33:06 heh Jul 10 21:33:24 flux: you can not have 2 similar bluetooth devices connected at the same time. that means you can't have 2 BT handsfrees. Jul 10 21:33:49 drgrov, what happens when you try to connect? Jul 10 21:34:47 flux: i do not need to connect in order to know that. have not even tried it since i know it will fail. Jul 10 21:35:21 I've been thinking of hooking one bt-hf permanently to my car for music playback and wondering how it would work, if I have a carry-on bt-hf as well Jul 10 21:35:41 I suppose most of the time only one would be turned on Jul 10 21:36:28 but possibly the vehicle one would be turned on all the time, leading into having two bt-hfs in the phone's vicinity Jul 10 21:39:03 flux: i am pretty sure you can have one bt-hf for music playback and one for talk-bt-hf. not really too sure but should work out. Jul 10 21:39:36 but on the other hand, you can have two bluetooths paired to your device but you could easily switch between bluetooths. Jul 10 21:40:22 my ears! the bluetooths do nothing Jul 10 21:40:39 automatic connecting is nice. but if it's possibly to switch in a programmatic fashion it would be nice as well. Jul 10 21:44:16 flux: you could easily do that. or i consider it to be quite straight forward without too much clicking and fiddling around. Jul 10 21:44:29 kerio: perhaps a bad bluetooth? Jul 10 21:44:37 once you get a quality BT there is no issues. Jul 10 21:46:09 hm Jul 10 21:46:28 i go to a gas station that takes like a week to process its cc payments Jul 10 21:46:41 my average roundtrip time to the router (PSM) is 40ms, is that bad? Jul 10 21:46:53 with pings Jul 10 21:47:07 i have never seen a place that takes so long Jul 10 21:47:33 trumee: psm will naturally add a little bit of latency Jul 10 21:47:48 cos of queueing, etc Jul 10 21:48:12 is there any good router which works well with PSM? Jul 10 21:48:30 I get ~400ms rtt Jul 10 21:48:59 http://www.ciao.co.uk/Dynamode_R_ADSL_C4W_EG__6559753 Jul 10 21:49:01 one of these. Jul 10 21:49:04 I do not recommend it Jul 10 21:49:18 (not for the hardware, for the ignorance of GPL) Jul 10 21:50:07 that is pretty crap Jul 10 21:50:28 i need an alternative to linksys Jul 10 21:50:56 It works - I get about 30m range through 3 very thick stone walls Jul 10 21:50:59 linksys doesnt handle sip very well Jul 10 21:51:07 And great powersaving Jul 10 21:51:45 hm . after my son leaves i think i'll put his wii into a new case Jul 10 21:51:46 SpeedEvil, i guess you dont do sip calls. Jul 10 21:52:12 nope Jul 10 21:52:17 I don't do any calls Jul 10 21:52:22 Macer: actually I have. Takes about 1 week where I usually also did put fuel in the car. Jul 10 21:52:24 can n900 tether internet from other phones and computer just like the N800/ Jul 10 21:52:25 ? Jul 10 21:52:47 DrGrov: heh. yeah welll. :) they are taking forever Jul 10 21:52:54 and i don't like money floating around out there like that Jul 10 21:52:59 Macer: yeah, a bit too long. Jul 10 21:53:00 i need a router which handles sip calls with PSM. Jul 10 21:53:13 trumee: then find one ;) Jul 10 21:53:22 Macer: well, today it merely matters though. internet banking is so easy so it literally does not matter, at least to me. Jul 10 21:53:27 tgalal: yes, it can - sometimes the connection manager gets in te way a bit Jul 10 21:53:39 Nokia devs should let us know what routers they test N900 against. Jul 10 21:54:02 DrGrov: yeah well.. still. everywhere else takes like 5 secs to hit the acct Jul 10 21:54:06 I use against my trusted Elisa Kotiboksi shit and it works out well Jul 10 21:54:11 do they mail in the cc slips or something? Jul 10 21:54:21 Macer: yes, they mail them. pretty sure about that. Jul 10 21:54:35 they still use like some old ass modem based cc machine Jul 10 21:54:49 you can hear the old school modem noises Jul 10 21:54:53 yes but they do not get the cc receipts sent then. the cashier system they use is too old. Jul 10 21:55:37 SpeedEvil: N800 supported that smoothly Jul 10 21:55:57 tgalal: n900 is designed as a user device. Jul 10 21:56:10 and N800 ? Jul 10 21:56:13 tgalal: And the users are assumed to not have enough clue to do clever things. Jul 10 21:56:22 Often Jul 10 21:56:56 So bugs filed against broken stuff sometimes get 'conforms to spec' resolutions. Jul 10 22:19:11 with fmtx Jul 10 22:19:20 does power level 120 have any special meaning? Jul 10 22:21:29 It's clearly not over 9000. Jul 10 22:27:10 lol Jul 10 22:39:58 http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD Jul 10 22:40:04 if anybody is interested Jul 10 22:40:16 modified fmtxd binary that will ignore headphones Jul 10 22:47:53 terse Jul 10 22:49:26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpwAtnywTk&feature=related Jul 10 22:49:28 rotfl Jul 10 23:18:35 Hmm - my n900 won't play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0m1XmvBey8&feature=PlayList&p=5BF9E09ECEC8F88F&playnext_from=PL&index=0 at the higher res. Jul 10 23:42:54 rotfl Jul 10 23:43:01 i got banned on ubuntu-uk Jul 10 23:43:15 Okaay. Jul 10 23:43:27 jacekowski, not surprised tbh :P Jul 10 23:43:35 Hello, my device does not prompt me for password, how to set it? Jul 10 23:43:45 at startup Jul 10 23:43:47 MohammadAG51: i got banned for posting link to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYpwAtnywTk&feature=related Jul 10 23:43:52 The n900 has an internal masquerading DNS of some form Jul 10 23:44:09 how do I get this to serve up DNS to the USB network? Jul 10 23:44:21 jacekowski, still not surprised :P Jul 10 23:52:29 hm. so. Jul 10 23:52:40 $150 for all my xbox 360 mods Jul 11 00:05:39 SpeedEvil: that would be dnsmasq? play with /etc/dnsmasq.conf maybe. Jul 11 00:05:43 SpeedEvil: you need the other dnsmasq package iirc Jul 11 00:06:41 hmm Jul 11 00:06:44 i know mobilehotspot just start another dnsmasq instance to serve dns over wifi Jul 11 00:06:45 yeah Jul 11 00:06:47 I guess Jul 11 00:07:06 hmm Jul 11 00:07:28 I still need to tinker with userland NAT Jul 11 00:07:39 got a sample one somewhere Jul 11 00:07:44 * SpeedEvil wonders if he's logged in through the phone proxy still. Jul 11 00:07:46 but it's not quite complete Jul 11 00:08:30 hmm - guess so. Jul 11 00:08:53 Wonder why firefox doesn't understand far-end DNS for socks Jul 11 00:08:53 meh Jul 11 00:09:13 SpeedEvil: far-end DNS ? Jul 11 00:09:16 there's an about:config for it i think Jul 11 00:09:18 it's just an option for it Jul 11 00:09:31 but i use foxyproxy, which is much more convenient Jul 11 00:09:42 (an addon) Jul 11 00:09:52 network.proxy.socks_remote_dns Jul 11 00:10:04 ah Jul 11 00:11:17 yeah - I don't see any easy options Jul 11 00:11:24 I suppose I should reinstall foxyproxy Jul 11 00:11:36 hmm Jul 11 00:17:39 hmm, installed ringtoned, but i don't get the "set custom ringtone" button Jul 11 00:28:10 I have found tcpick - which is nice. This reassembles tcp streams into files. This is 99% of what I want - you get client and server files per connection. Jul 11 00:28:36 I'm looking for something similar to debug issues - that ideally would be like a datestamped hexdump -C of each file Jul 11 00:31:15 hm Jul 11 00:49:42 DocScrutinizer51: with that BSI thing Jul 11 00:49:49 DocScrutinizer51: BME seems to read it couple times Jul 11 00:49:57 DocScrutinizer51: 5 to be more precise Jul 11 00:50:39 DocScrutinizer51: then sorts it and then i'm not sure yet Jul 11 01:32:04 good morning Jul 11 02:32:19 I'm between E72 and N900, my needs are mainly VOIP(sip client)+PPTP-VPN and SSH , anybody can advice which of them can be the best for these mentioned needs ??? Jul 11 02:37:21 anybody there ? Jul 11 02:38:18 nope Jul 11 02:47:40 SpectralNewt, cool .. so what's your opinion ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 11 02:59:57 2010