**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 16 02:59:56 2010 Jul 16 03:52:18 my dropbox client http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3589544/DropN900/dropn900-16-7-2010.png Jul 16 03:52:21 o/ Jul 16 03:53:03 i still have to learn py dep packaging to get these into extras-devel Jul 16 04:06:10 Pforce: looks cool Jul 16 04:35:59 asj: yeh thanks Jul 16 04:36:14 posted more to the maemo.org forums Jul 16 04:36:16 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=753509#post753509 Jul 16 04:54:03 http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0715/doctor-cheney-pulse-heart-operation/ Jul 16 04:54:09 * RST38h moos approvingly Jul 16 04:55:41 moo Jul 16 04:55:57 he might be a Dick, but I feel sorry for him Jul 16 04:56:50 Why, they are simply making his construction complete. Jul 16 04:56:56 Heya Stskeeps, wazd Jul 16 04:58:03 Stskeeps: quick, compile fb_text2screen! Jul 16 04:59:37 RST38h: cyborg cheney Jul 16 05:00:40 ~ping Jul 16 05:00:41 ~pong Jul 16 05:01:00 slonopotamus: 7am, not working yet Jul 16 05:01:00 :P Jul 16 05:01:29 meh Jul 16 05:48:52 yay its come. i am officially a sheep Jul 16 05:49:38 * warg gets the trimmers Jul 16 05:49:43 TermanaN900: congrats! Jul 16 05:51:13 luke-jr: ping Jul 16 05:51:15 a sheep? Jul 16 05:51:21 Stskeeps: pong Jul 16 05:51:28 Stskeeps: thanks! certainly smaller than i thought especially the keyboard Jul 16 05:51:39 luke-jr: we don't have cpu frequency scaling in 2.6.35 and such do we Jul 16 05:51:46 in n8x0 Jul 16 05:52:12 dunno :x Jul 16 05:52:23 my N810 is booted to diablo right now Jul 16 05:52:29 and I'm kinda setup fro N900 kernel stuff atm Jul 16 05:52:37 luke-jr: because i just figured the other day that we might actually be running at lowest cpufreq - at least my kernel has a empty cpufreq directory Jul 16 05:52:45 lol Jul 16 05:53:13 luke-jr: and i think there's no DVFS, which doesn't help matters.. Jul 16 05:53:28 Stskeeps: what are the current problems w/ kexec btw? Jul 16 05:54:00 luke-jr: on n900? there's some weird interaction with panel driver that causes dss2 to go amok with dmesg output Jul 16 05:54:08 :o Jul 16 05:55:13 in case of reinitialization Jul 16 05:56:19 any idea if it's safe to install my new kernel via dd to /dev/mtd3 (with offset 0x800) Jul 16 05:58:13 * luke-jr peers at N900's included flasher app... Jul 16 05:58:19 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Jul 16 06:00:01 Stskeeps: was just pondering the idea of a specialized kernel with bootmenu rootfs, that's all :p Jul 16 06:00:22 you are aware we have initrd on n900? Jul 16 06:00:25 self-contained etc Jul 16 06:00:33 I'm aware a partition exists. I'm not aware of it being used... Jul 16 06:00:41 it works, we have a rescue initrd thing Jul 16 06:00:56 O.o Jul 16 06:01:16 *now* someone tells me, after I fought with recovery the other day... XD Jul 16 06:01:19 morning folks :-) Jul 16 06:01:25 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Jul 16 06:01:29 ended up getting a kernel to boot Gentoo (for the first time) from where I fixed Maemo Jul 16 06:01:49 Stskeeps: can it rescue a broken /sbin/preinit? :p Jul 16 06:02:17 possibly, but more functionality needed :P Jul 16 06:02:37 Stskeeps: why not just make a single kernel image with the rootfs embedded? Jul 16 06:03:08 initrd's easier Jul 16 06:03:09 :P Jul 16 06:03:14 I disagree :P Jul 16 06:04:38 installing apps is a lot faster on the n900 than the n810 Jul 16 06:05:12 i should probably stop because i will need to flash to pr 1.2 Jul 16 06:05:13 ... Jul 16 06:05:28 I find N900 app manager rather slow Jul 16 06:05:30 but whatever Jul 16 06:05:36 compared to gentoo compiles? Jul 16 06:05:37 I flashed my kernel Jul 16 06:05:38 :P Jul 16 06:05:42 Stskeeps: no :p Jul 16 06:05:48 but yeah Jul 16 06:05:58 potentially interesting fact: I flashed a custom kernel to N900 before N810 Jul 16 06:06:00 <.< Jul 16 06:06:00 compared to rpm and what i've seen zypper do, app manager/apt is dead slow Jul 16 06:06:01 :P Jul 16 06:06:09 apt isn't slow... Jul 16 06:06:11 just app manager Jul 16 06:06:46 Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1-gcc44 #1 PREEMPT Thu Jul 15 16:28:33 CDT 2010 armv7l unknown Jul 16 06:08:22 * luke-jr gets to writing a shell script to setup his socksify-http stuff Jul 16 06:15:05 heh Jul 16 06:15:34 luke-jr: my n810 sits there for at least 10 minutes saying its updating and doing nothing Jul 16 06:15:38 i think it is slow too Jul 16 06:15:45 the n900 goes straight in for me Jul 16 06:16:53 on the n900, if i have the gps enabled in the settings, but no apps is using the gps, is the gps powered off? Jul 16 06:17:10 pigeon: if the GPS isn't in the status area, it's off Jul 16 06:17:20 cool, thanks. Jul 16 06:17:32 the gps seems a little meh Jul 16 06:17:54 like geotagging photos for me doesnt seem to work that well Jul 16 06:18:10 geotagging is kinda shit Jul 16 06:18:50 it also seems to take forever for a lock Jul 16 06:19:03 and ovi maps is kind of horrible Jul 16 06:19:10 i bought sygic, fairly happy with it Jul 16 06:19:34 believe it or not. google nav was awesome on my g1 Jul 16 06:19:37 :) Jul 16 06:19:44 it did a great job Jul 16 06:20:10 there Jul 16 06:20:30 16 line shell script to force all outbound connections on port 80, 443, or 6667 over GPRS into a SOCKS proxy Jul 16 06:20:36 (also spawns ssh with -D) Jul 16 06:21:40 unfortunately, I am learning why T-Mobile claims they don't have service here Jul 16 06:21:44 coverage kinda sucks Jul 16 06:22:04 and today when I had 3.5G, it didn't work well enough for SIP :( Jul 16 06:22:21 no. it is because what you are doing doesnt work Jul 16 06:22:36 skype works pretty good over 3G Jul 16 06:22:42 Macer: it works fine at home Jul 16 06:22:49 liar! Jul 16 06:22:53 just not with T-Mobile's not so great coverage out and about Jul 16 06:22:54 :) Jul 16 06:23:36 going to install meego next week and see where it is Jul 16 06:24:09 i suppose all that matters is that nokia provides the hardware support and ditches maemo altogether Jul 16 06:24:14 :) Jul 16 06:24:44 skype works pretty good over 3G Jul 16 06:24:45 <3 Jul 16 06:24:50 after the n900 they probably will only use qt based symbian for all their stuff Jul 16 06:25:22 LiraNuna: yeah. it is great Jul 16 06:25:38 SF bay area is flooded with 3.5G, but all I get is ~100kbps Jul 16 06:25:40 i used like 10 mins of actual phone minutes last month :) Jul 16 06:25:51 Macer, yeah, same Jul 16 06:26:06 i am wondering how long that will last Jul 16 06:26:09 I love the skype integration Jul 16 06:26:20 Macer, you just took the words out of my mouth Jul 16 06:26:20 im sure tmob will screw everybody over soon enough Jul 16 06:26:37 heh Jul 16 06:26:47 i was happy it grabbed all my skype contacts Jul 16 06:26:47 I was thinking more of Meego Jul 16 06:26:55 Macer: actually they are ditching symbian on anything N-series for meego Jul 16 06:26:56 that was a surprise Jul 16 06:27:11 Stskeeps: so they say :) Jul 16 06:27:23 * Macer looks at the N8 Jul 16 06:27:35 N8 is last to use Symbian Jul 16 06:27:50 i will believe it when i see it :) Jul 16 06:28:18 symbian looks nice tho Jul 16 06:28:23 the n8 symbian does Jul 16 06:28:38 they changed it quite a bit Jul 16 06:29:42 Skype sucks Jul 16 06:30:04 luke-jr: to each their own. i love it Jul 16 06:30:26 $2/month for phone service suits me Jul 16 06:30:47 i mean. it is voice :) as long as i can talk i am happy Jul 16 06:31:14 i even got the house cordless handsets a couple of years ago Jul 16 06:31:15 then get a dumb phone Jul 16 06:31:37 when vonage is making people pay $25+ for what skype offers Jul 16 06:31:45 what a racket Jul 16 06:31:56 Vonage is just a leech Jul 16 06:32:04 so is skype Jul 16 06:32:06 hahaha Jul 16 06:32:09 yes, Skype leeches from YOU Jul 16 06:32:17 but i dont care. i pay $2/month Jul 16 06:32:23 Vonage leeches from you too, but a bit more obviously Jul 16 06:32:28 haha Jul 16 06:32:34 Macer: $2/mo + giving skype control of your computer Jul 16 06:32:38 er Jul 16 06:32:43 of my n900? Jul 16 06:32:45 yes Jul 16 06:32:47 Skype is a virus Jul 16 06:32:49 and cordless phones? Jul 16 06:32:52 lol Jul 16 06:32:54 ok Jul 16 06:33:19 the phones have a base that connects right into my switch Jul 16 06:33:25 though I presume N900 version is minus the virus part Jul 16 06:33:35 Macer: packet sniff it Jul 16 06:33:40 :) i can deal with the base being infected Jul 16 06:33:47 haha Jul 16 06:33:49 normal Skype at least will hijack your connection Jul 16 06:34:02 and do what? Jul 16 06:34:07 send spam? :) Jul 16 06:34:08 and use your paid for bandwidth Jul 16 06:34:12 for other people's calls Jul 16 06:34:24 and who knows what else Jul 16 06:34:30 nobody since Skype encrypts it all Jul 16 06:34:30 lol Jul 16 06:34:41 mmmmmkay Jul 16 06:35:08 well. i am not noticing any extra pkts Jul 16 06:35:22 and i watched my ddwrt charts.. traffic is normal Jul 16 06:35:29 * luke-jr ponders stuffing telepathy-spirit into a VE Jul 16 06:35:45 Macer: like I said, telepathy-spirit is presumably not vulnerable Jul 16 06:35:58 and for $2/month.. they can take a measley 64kbit of bandwidth Jul 16 06:35:59 lol Jul 16 06:36:00 Nokia's not dumb enough to let Skype hijack 3G connections IMO Jul 16 06:36:14 64kbit is quite a bit when your ISP caps you at 5 GB Jul 16 06:36:32 even 56kbit dialup can do over 5 GB Jul 16 06:37:17 it would be quite crazy if mobile skype would do that Jul 16 06:38:26 my guess: Skype collects royalties from Nokia for a virus-free integrated version Jul 16 07:12:55 Stskeeps, ping Jul 16 07:14:11 morning Jul 16 07:14:39 DocScrutinizer: are you there? Jul 16 07:14:45 DocScrutinizer: where is the spec? Jul 16 07:15:34 morning Jul 16 07:28:35 RST38h: o/ Jul 16 07:29:23 Heh, maybe its just me - but is there a reason why the N900 sometimes won't charge with the power cable but will with the usb cable? Jul 16 07:30:03 buggered power cable? Jul 16 07:30:45 doc|home, only got it today, so I hope not Jul 16 07:31:08 Termana: what colour is the led when you plug it in? Jul 16 07:31:25 doc|home, no led colour Jul 16 07:31:33 Termana: Original charger? Jul 16 07:31:38 looks like it's the charger then Jul 16 07:31:44 X-Fade, yep Jul 16 07:32:21 Could it not be getting enough power if its on a power board? (6 plug power board) Jul 16 07:33:26 Termana: So sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't? Jul 16 07:33:39 X-Fade: possily Jul 16 07:34:04 bah, I'm not following this well enough. night Jul 16 07:34:43 X-Fade, hmm, I think I know what the problem is Jul 16 07:35:04 Termana: USB connector EOL :) Jul 16 07:35:11 X-Fade, overseas model, so I'm using a travel charger. It seems to be loose Jul 16 07:36:01 X-Fade, ha ha, please do not curse me with the USB connector curse :P Jul 16 07:50:47 @x-fade because the n900 uses microusb some 'dumb' charges wont negotiate a voltage so it wont charge Jul 16 07:51:19 exomondo: That's because they don't follow the USB charging spec. You've got to short the middle two pins. Jul 16 07:51:52 exomondo: I've bought an external portable charger (tried a few) and have to do that. Wish I could buy a stubby USB A male/female adapter cable which did that shorting. Jul 16 07:53:49 ah right Jul 16 07:56:36 moorning. Jul 16 08:07:50 Jaffa: would be cool, but in theory chargers that won't negotiate or short D+ to D- are claiming to be low-current, and presumably a few actually will destroy themselves Jul 16 08:08:26 it seems improbable, but i suppose you could have a very poorly designed one that could provide exactly as much current as the device it came with can draw Jul 16 08:10:28 Somebody help me please: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=753613#post753613 Jul 16 08:10:29 :) Jul 16 08:11:09 D-Iivil_Work: You should see some changelog show up for your packages soon ;) Jul 16 08:11:21 X-Fade, let me see :) Just uploaded a new package :) Jul 16 08:11:44 BCMM: Presumably as long as you checked the output current for the charger (or its claimed output current, anyway); it should be fine... Jul 16 08:11:46 X-Fade, cool! Jul 16 08:11:47 D-Iivil_Work: I'm currently running an import round against everything in extas-devel. Jul 16 08:11:54 Jaffa: of course Jul 16 08:13:28 X-Fade, thanks for fixing that :) Jul 16 08:14:07 X-Fade, seems like still the latest upload didn't update the changes: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/black-plastic-theme/2.107/ Jul 16 08:18:44 D-Iivil_Work: No, live update still has issues. The import will fix this later. Jul 16 08:21:49 X-Fade, okay. Cool. Jul 16 08:24:10 how do you disable automatic updates again? Jul 16 08:45:24 gconftool -s -t int /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval -NUMBERINMINUTES- Jul 16 08:45:35 set the minutes to check to like 90000000000 ;) Jul 16 08:47:26 it over 90000000000 Jul 16 08:52:55 jacekowski: moo, sorry fell asleep Jul 16 09:22:53 * alterego wonders why ubuntu/gnome don't have decent bluetooth gsm modem support. Jul 16 09:26:45 Hi is it just me or does the last version of maemo make N900 slower? Jul 16 09:28:12 It's just you.. Jul 16 09:28:13 RZ just you I think :P Jul 16 09:28:35 I found it noticably snappier, did you to OTA update of reflash? Jul 16 09:29:19 * alterego has just woken up, excuse the poor typing/spelling etc :D Jul 16 09:33:28 MohammadAG51: ping? Jul 16 09:33:33 I wonder what the results of Apples crash meeting yesterday were. Jul 16 09:35:59 feel asleep with my n900 woke up and it was froze I couldent get the screen on... pluged it into the charger and the charge led came on... I ended up having to remove the battery and boot it back up Jul 16 09:36:27 could I have done something else to reboot or find out what caused it? Jul 16 09:36:58 you could've held down the power button Jul 16 09:37:07 dindt do anything Jul 16 09:37:08 that would turn it off (or on if it was already off) Jul 16 09:37:27 Sometimes that doesn't work, I've had mine lock a couple of times. Jul 16 09:37:38 there was once a wlan bug that caused very heavy swapping, so much that turning it off took like 3 minutes Jul 16 09:37:43 but it's been fixed Jul 16 09:37:57 I've ssh on my n900 Jul 16 09:38:04 if it's not responsive, I try to ssh in and see what's happening Jul 16 09:38:07 sit there and hold the power button for 3min ? Jul 16 09:38:09 top, dmesg, vmstat Jul 16 09:38:24 thats a good idea Jul 16 09:38:24 no, I think I held the power button for the required 5 secs Jul 16 09:38:31 and then waited 3 minutes for it to shut down Jul 16 09:38:36 This is more like a crash of some kind. It's especially cool when it happens in the middle of a transition :) Jul 16 09:38:39 holding in power button for over 10s should work Jul 16 09:39:14 I think 10s requires some of the watchdogs to have failed - 5s is still software Jul 16 09:39:21 not completely sure though Jul 16 09:39:26 ssh in is good Jul 16 09:39:42 Oh, okay, I'll try to be more investigatory next time :D Jul 16 09:40:01 when the crap shouldent of happened in the first place tho ;) Jul 16 09:40:14 yeah Jul 16 09:40:28 whats a good maemo uptime? ;) Jul 16 09:40:47 I typically go a week or two Jul 16 09:41:08 I sometimes get it into a state where it won't login to my wireless network for some reason or other Jul 16 09:41:11 so reboot Jul 16 09:41:29 I should in principle debug it - but ICD being in the way makes that almost impractical Jul 16 09:42:08 implantable cardioverter-defibrillator? Jul 16 09:42:18 I usually reboot every two days or so Jul 16 09:42:19 Internet Connection Daemon Jul 16 09:42:25 Just to keep it quick :) Jul 16 09:42:35 It's the bit of closed-source stuff that handles connections Jul 16 09:49:56 ohai Jul 16 09:50:17 Hello. (I didn't google yet anything) I did apt-get dist-upgrade to my N900 and now it keeps rebooting. Is there something I can do to recover from this? Jul 16 09:50:34 reflash Jul 16 09:50:34 Flash it. Jul 16 09:50:43 Do I need windows to do it? Jul 16 09:50:47 nope Jul 16 09:50:50 ~flashing Jul 16 09:50:51 somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 16 09:50:51 Awesome. Jul 16 09:50:54 Thanks. Jul 16 09:50:57 np Jul 16 09:51:08 Dist-upgrade is usually bad AIUI Jul 16 09:51:19 It sometimes has worked in the past Jul 16 09:51:47 But the boot scripts are not designed to be robust in the face of changing versions forex Jul 16 09:52:14 oh Jul 16 09:55:14 #alterego It was updated for me in factory in Finland :) Jul 16 10:00:50 MohammadAG51: ping Jul 16 10:02:27 It says here that I first need to flash FIASCO and then eMMC. Where can I get the FIASCO image? Jul 16 10:03:16 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Jul 16 10:03:20 for the n900 Jul 16 10:04:01 ham5, I can only see eMMC images there, should the FIASCO image be there too? Jul 16 10:04:12 yes Jul 16 10:04:26 "cC#cC Jul 16 10:04:28 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin Jul 16 10:04:31 that's fiasco image Jul 16 10:04:38 aha Jul 16 10:05:19 does sticking n900 into an x-ray voids a warranty? Jul 16 10:05:25 jacekowski: airports.. Jul 16 10:05:33 high powered x-ray? Jul 16 10:05:39 they don't have to know that Jul 16 10:05:40 :P Jul 16 10:05:40 Almost got my scratchbox VM setup ... Jul 16 10:05:58 btw. i had question for you Jul 16 10:06:03 00:15 < jacekowski> Stskeeps: do you have mj-174? Jul 16 10:06:12 a what? Jul 16 10:06:31 no, i don't believe it's called that Jul 16 10:06:31 l3_l4 manual Jul 16 10:06:34 page Jul 16 10:06:43 let me check Jul 16 10:06:51 what is it supposed to do? Jul 16 10:07:09 p29 Jul 16 10:07:45 MJ-174 can be used for flashing as well as for RF, battery and system testing Jul 16 10:07:46 wiki's down and i dont have it at hand Jul 16 10:07:55 nm Jul 16 10:08:44 They really are late with the harmattan SDK this year. Jul 16 10:08:53 Must be doing a lot of work on it .. Jul 16 10:10:14 rewriting over half of everything? :P Jul 16 10:10:18 Stskeeps: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/docs/N900_RX-51_SM_L3_4.pdf Jul 16 10:16:13 will there be a meago device this year? Jul 16 10:16:44 No. Jul 16 10:17:01 There won't be any 'meago' devices ever. Jul 16 10:17:13 lol Jul 16 10:17:13 MeeGo ones, well that is more probable :) Jul 16 10:17:16 what??????????/ Jul 16 10:17:18 Hah Jul 16 10:17:19 jacekowski, pong Jul 16 10:17:51 MohammadAG51: perl-modules landed in SSU repo ;) Jul 16 10:17:59 yay :D Jul 16 10:18:07 I removed it from non-free. Jul 16 10:18:10 X-Fade, thanks a mil :) Jul 16 10:18:24 ok Jul 16 10:18:39 Will index the repos later today, so the interface shows it properly too, Jul 16 10:18:48 But first.. lunch :) Jul 16 10:18:49 MohammadAG51: 23:39 < DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: o.O (bq24150 module included in image) http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Ubuntu Jul 16 10:19:00 MohammadAG51: bq24150 module included in image? Jul 16 10:19:01 hi all Jul 16 10:19:08 MohammadAG51: where did it came from and etc? Jul 16 10:19:11 'ello Jul 16 10:19:25 how come this is such a busy chanel? isn;t maemo legacy? Jul 16 10:19:35 jacekowski, matan Jul 16 10:19:47 :-o Jul 16 10:19:52 * kthomas_vh neglects to feed the troll Jul 16 10:19:57 IcanCU: maemo is present. Meego is future. Jul 16 10:20:19 true... Jul 16 10:20:28 but that doesn't explain it all Jul 16 10:20:41 IcanCU: Buy a MeeGo phone now then? Jul 16 10:20:50 lcuk: 42 Jul 16 10:21:00 42 what? Jul 16 10:21:09 IcanCU: 42 Jul 16 10:21:11 bottles of beer on the wall? Jul 16 10:21:20 lcuk: sorry etab Jul 16 10:22:16 * lcuk inserts a small frals in DocScrutinizer's ear Jul 16 10:23:12 jacekowski: so are we going to care about matan? Jul 16 10:23:40 or do we say 'screwit, google couldn't find it' Jul 16 10:23:59 MohammadAG51: is gnome usable on the n900? Jul 16 10:24:27 I have this problem where half the time I end up rejecting calls because the screen flips and I accidently push the wrong button, wich appears where the answer button normally sits. can anybody relate? Jul 16 10:24:52 SyncA: i don't receive calls Jul 16 10:24:52 lol, me too Jul 16 10:24:58 SyncA: there is/was an open bug on that. Jul 16 10:25:01 kerio, yes, when the mouse pointer works properly Jul 16 10:25:03 kerio lol Jul 16 10:25:25 But for me the existing solution works exactly 100% of the time. Jul 16 10:25:42 For all 1 of my inbound calls. Jul 16 10:25:52 I sometimes reach for the red button Jul 16 10:25:53 speedevil, ok thanks, can/should I contribute to that? Jul 16 10:25:54 SpeedEvil: as you receive exactly 0 calls Jul 16 10:26:01 oh 1 Jul 16 10:26:27 and that existing solution is? Jul 16 10:26:37 SyncA: patience Jul 16 10:26:50 matan? Jul 16 10:26:53 what'a matan? Jul 16 10:26:58 SyncA: anticipate the pending transition, and wait until it finished Jul 16 10:27:06 i backported the new hildon-desktop Jul 16 10:27:11 jacekowski: exactly :-P Jul 16 10:27:34 it fixes some call rotation crap Jul 16 10:27:44 or set the telephone to "landscape only" Jul 16 10:27:56 what if you're using portrait :P Jul 16 10:28:07 set it to portrait only Jul 16 10:28:17 what if you're using landscape :P Jul 16 10:28:32 docs indeed, I try to, doesn't work all the time;) Jul 16 10:29:22 what if you want it to switch? ;) Jul 16 10:29:30 SyncA: so let's go UX-guys-bashing Jul 16 10:29:41 http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/770/n900/bq27x00_battery.c Jul 16 10:29:51 i could mod that and use that for fuel gauge Jul 16 10:29:53 yes, there should've been send/end buttons Jul 16 10:30:09 I'm not the bashing type of guy Jul 16 10:30:27 jacekowski: err wut? Jul 16 10:30:38 caveat with that code is that the battery instastantaenous current is reported in units of 3.57/20mA Jul 16 10:30:41 jacekowski: Jul 16 10:30:58 and it only breaks out raw percentage, not more useful figures Jul 16 10:30:59 OMG Jul 16 10:31:03 how odd Jul 16 10:31:05 you want at least capacity Jul 16 10:31:21 What happened to the game Under the steel sky? Jul 16 10:31:28 well, i still need charger chip driver Jul 16 10:31:33 so i'll do that Jul 16 10:31:39 and then bother about fuel gauge Jul 16 10:31:39 RZ: it sucks Jul 16 10:31:44 wtf, go openmoko sourcetree and fetch the bq27000 driver there Jul 16 10:31:45 It was in the repos and now it is missing. Jul 16 10:31:56 I quite liked it. Jul 16 10:32:01 "Under a steel sky" I realy liked it. Jul 16 10:32:03 hmm, i've enabled comments on my "blog" Jul 16 10:32:06 and now i regret it Jul 16 10:32:07 Would prefer flashback though tbh .. Jul 16 10:32:08 and it's not under Jul 16 10:32:10 it's beneath Jul 16 10:32:20 beneath a steel sky Jul 16 10:32:23 Oh yeah, "Beneath a steel sky" :) Jul 16 10:32:25 i want to test. Jul 16 10:32:25 i want to test. Jul 16 10:32:32 i need chrome Jul 16 10:32:32 i need chrome Jul 16 10:32:39 I want to quote your post in my blog. It can? Jul 16 10:32:40 And you et an account on Twitter? Jul 16 10:32:57 Still prefered flashback Jul 16 10:32:57 jacekowski: you'd think there should be a bq24150.c driver in http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/ Jul 16 10:33:44 DocScrutinizer: nothing there Jul 16 10:33:51 :-( Jul 16 10:34:00 i'll make my own Jul 16 10:34:02 what is a matan? anyway Jul 16 10:34:10 Yeah sorry. It has been a a while since I last played it. I finished it but now it is missing from the repos. Together with some other programs. Jul 16 10:34:18 i think it's who Jul 16 10:34:28 ok, gonna leave it in landscape, (it was set in portrait only mode, so that's not the solution) Jul 16 10:34:35 jacekowski: yup! wait a little. Sorry for me being late like always. you'll get the specs in a short while Jul 16 10:34:53 thanks guys, gonna leave you to it Jul 16 10:34:58 bye Jul 16 10:35:10 jacekowski: (who) no, what. on purpose Jul 16 10:35:21 jacekowski: oh, you have a repo now Jul 16 10:35:22 cool Jul 16 10:36:22 hmm Jul 16 10:36:38 can i just apt-get remove hildon-update-notifier or something? Jul 16 10:38:00 no Jul 16 10:38:04 it's just a notifier Jul 16 10:39:04 * MohammadAG51 votes to burn mp-fremantle-generic-pr Jul 16 10:40:28 setting a huge autoupdate interval is a ugly hack Jul 16 10:41:55 kerio, purge the app manager :P Jul 16 10:43:09 hmm Jul 16 10:43:21 apt-get remove apt* dpkg* Jul 16 10:43:28 GEE I WONDER WHAT COULD GO WRONG Jul 16 10:44:07 isn't that update called from alarmd Jul 16 10:46:10 kerio, nothing, you'd have to go gentoo-ish though Jul 16 11:06:44 is the update-notifier/check_interval relative to the boot time? Jul 16 11:07:08 or the last update time? Jul 16 11:07:30 because if so, i can reliably set it to a couple of years - i'll definetely check for updates more often than that Jul 16 11:11:21 Does anyone here have a suggestion for a good case for the N900? Jul 16 11:12:26 hmm Jul 16 11:13:28 I just got a good screen protector for mine Jul 16 11:14:01 I got a bad one from ebay - case Jul 16 11:14:09 but it was 5 pounds for 3 Jul 16 11:14:12 so it works for me Jul 16 11:14:19 i bought it used, it has one, but i removed it Jul 16 11:14:35 a screen protector? Jul 16 11:14:52 yeah Jul 16 11:15:04 I'd recommend using one personally Jul 16 11:15:07 they are very cheap Jul 16 11:15:08 screen protectors suck Jul 16 11:15:08 :( Jul 16 11:15:12 Sure Jul 16 11:15:18 the screen is, however plastic Jul 16 11:15:18 heard the n900 scratches easy Jul 16 11:15:33 though it may be somewhat scratch resistant, accidents happen Jul 16 11:15:42 the screen yes, the device, not really Jul 16 11:16:04 i like to refer to that as shitŪ happens Jul 16 11:16:04 For example, I went gardening, and put the seccateurs in the wrong pocket and bent down and up a couple of hundred times Jul 16 11:16:08 ham5: once it's too ruined to use reliably, buy another cover Jul 16 11:16:30 Replacing the cover is _not_ risk free Jul 16 11:16:33 SpeedEvil: did the screen scratch? Jul 16 11:16:46 I had a screen protector. Jul 16 11:16:58 It was nearly opaque over 1/4 of the surface Jul 16 11:17:07 :( Jul 16 11:17:11 screen was pristine though. Jul 16 11:17:13 why? Jul 16 11:17:27 becase a couple of hundred deep scratches will do that Jul 16 11:18:07 i have a couple of scratches on the screen as of now Jul 16 11:18:13 only one was made by me thoughh Jul 16 11:19:10 It depends on how you se the device - if you are not in a gritty environment, and don't ever have it outside of a pocket where you never, ever put anything else, and use it with fingers only - maybe. Jul 16 11:19:17 scratchbox installed ... Jul 16 11:20:41 a screen protector is one of those extra pieces of plastic that you tape over the screen, right? Jul 16 11:20:46 SpeedEvil: i'm going to the beach daily :3 Jul 16 11:20:58 tape isn't a good word Jul 16 11:20:58 TMM: you don't tape them .... Jul 16 11:21:02 TMM: yup Jul 16 11:21:11 well, sticks, whatever Jul 16 11:21:16 I don't like those much Jul 16 11:21:17 doesn't stick Jul 16 11:21:31 SpeedEvil: can't i just change the cover when it's too damaged instead of putting another one over this one? Jul 16 11:21:39 i've scrubbed (yes, scrubbed) mine on the "sticky" part many times Jul 16 11:21:52 what are the risks? Jul 16 11:22:12 changing the whole faceplate? Jul 16 11:22:22 MohammadAG51: Is there a nice way to quit fronzen bubble btw? Jul 16 11:22:25 MohammadAG51: sure, why not Jul 16 11:22:56 X-Fade, comma button, sadly no esc on the N900 Jul 16 11:22:56 kerio, heh, ask DocScrutinizer Jul 16 11:23:06 DocScrutinizer: question Jul 16 11:23:07 kerio: DocScrutinizer managed to brick his device doing this Jul 16 11:23:14 wait, what Jul 16 11:23:17 kerio: the connector is quite fragile Jul 16 11:23:21 MohammadAG51: How about adding it to 'q' or backspace? ;) Jul 16 11:23:24 :( Jul 16 11:23:41 i'll send it to nokia then Jul 16 11:24:00 I'll just get the official nokia n900 pouch thingy then Jul 16 11:24:09 I'll cut a hole in it for the jack Jul 16 11:24:10 X-Fade, backspace and q are needed for typing the name in highscores :( Jul 16 11:24:31 i hate cases Jul 16 11:24:57 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARD-CRYSTAL-CLEAR-CASE-COVER-SKIN-SHELL-NOKIA-N900-/140424671640?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item20b1f67198 I have Jul 16 11:25:07 MohammadAG51: Overlay a big X in the corner? :) Where there is nothing anyway? Jul 16 11:25:17 For me - cases arealmost mandaroty Jul 16 11:25:27 they add some protection when dropped Jul 16 11:25:44 why would you drop it Jul 16 11:25:47 :| Jul 16 11:25:48 X-Fade, hmm, good point Jul 16 11:25:51 kerio, shit happens Jul 16 11:28:04 let's add extra cases to everything! Jul 16 11:28:14 i need to buy a case for my tv, in case it drops Jul 16 11:28:59 well, for a phone I think it's a bit more reasonable than a TV :P Jul 16 11:29:11 TMM: well, the n900 is not a phone Jul 16 11:29:13 XD Jul 16 11:29:14 I don't accidentally put my keys in the same pocket as my tv Jul 16 11:29:36 TMM, you put your TV in a pocket? :P Jul 16 11:29:56 MohammadAG51, no, that's kind of the point of my little sarcastic remark ;) Jul 16 11:30:09 TMM, you missed the sarcasm :P Jul 16 11:30:26 anyway, I got that nokia n900 pouch, at least it LOOKS nice :P Jul 16 11:30:44 ok, 10 years between each autoupdate Jul 16 11:30:53 yay, found a 37" screen protector Jul 16 11:30:56 it still feels like a ugly hack though Jul 16 11:31:22 kerio, now overclock your device so it dies in less than a year Jul 16 11:31:30 awesome Jul 16 11:31:38 -> no autoupdate Jul 16 11:31:39 you can overclock the n900? Jul 16 11:31:40 i solve both the autoupdate *and* the scratching problem this way Jul 16 11:31:50 why would you want to do that? it seems plenty fast to me Jul 16 11:31:53 TMM: yup Jul 16 11:32:00 1g plenty faster tho ;) Jul 16 11:32:05 kerio: I have accidentally thrown my n900 across the room once, and dropped it 3 or 4 times now. Jul 16 11:32:17 SpeedEvil: hahaha you *threw* your n900 Jul 16 11:32:22 SpeedEvil, accidentally thrown? Jul 16 11:32:25 yes Jul 16 11:32:26 how can you accidentally throw something Jul 16 11:32:26 TMM, if you're a (Nokia) murderer I don't see why you wouldn't do it Jul 16 11:32:27 playing n900fly? Jul 16 11:32:37 yeah, the battery life is already SO great why NOT overclock? ;) Jul 16 11:32:51 You put it down on the blanket in your bed, and forget about it, and then flip the blanket off, to get up Jul 16 11:33:09 SpeedEvil, I've launched many a remote that way :P Jul 16 11:33:15 was n900fly running? Jul 16 11:33:19 no Jul 16 11:33:21 TMM, sarcasm gets you nowhere, the battery life is impressive and gotten better and better with each update Jul 16 11:33:29 SpeedEvil: well, my mother's 8310 survived a... 20mt drop Jul 16 11:33:31 lol SpeedEvil Jul 16 11:33:50 SpeedEvil, tracy once almost knocked me out by "nudging" a chocolate bar on the bed Jul 16 11:34:00 she nudged it so hard it flew in similar manner Jul 16 11:34:10 and by survived i mean it worked flawlessy afterwards Jul 16 11:34:13 without a single scratch Jul 16 11:34:22 lcuk, although battery life is better, it doesn't last a day Jul 16 11:34:34 i want a 8310-sized n900 with the same battery duration :( Jul 16 11:34:37 first bar gone Jul 16 11:34:57 MohammadAG51, hmm? Jul 16 11:34:58 kerio: 3? - certainly 2 - people here have come with complaints that their emmc has failed after a drop Jul 16 11:34:59 works for me Jul 16 11:35:15 * lcuk looks at 3 n900s and wonders which will drain battery first Jul 16 11:35:18 20m onto what? Jul 16 11:35:23 concrete Jul 16 11:35:52 funky. Jul 16 11:35:54 20m is enough to reach terminal velocity Jul 16 11:35:55 damn middle east, can't find a BH-214 :/ Jul 16 11:35:58 It's not Jul 16 11:36:02 oh Jul 16 11:36:09 not for something relatively dense like a phone Jul 16 11:36:23 good point Jul 16 11:36:26 it was also incredibly small Jul 16 11:36:31 (it was light though) Jul 16 11:36:36 * MohammadAG51 hands kerio a physics book Jul 16 11:36:45 it may be somewhat slowed down though Jul 16 11:39:58 the battery life on my phone is insaine Jul 16 11:40:12 I just forget to charge it now.... Jul 16 11:40:20 I used to always charge it Jul 16 11:44:24 dotblank, still not sussed it :P Jul 16 11:55:21 lcuk, I'd call the battery life 'pretty good' considering the features of the device. But 'good' when it comes to mobile phones, not really. Jul 16 11:57:16 It depends. Jul 16 11:57:46 Leave it idle, wifi off, waiting for calls and not doing anything more, and it can get close to a week Jul 16 11:57:55 tmm compare like for like, sure we have not yet got to the heady days of battery life measured in weeks (as the n810 has!) Jul 16 11:58:08 lol SpeedEvil Jul 16 11:59:01 It should be able to get over a week, with the right settings - but the default setup does not support suspend properly, and wakes the device Jul 16 12:06:29 SpeedEvil: over a weeek is what a dumbphone gets in full usage Jul 16 12:06:51 indeed Jul 16 12:07:08 Their screens tend to be _lots_ lower power though Jul 16 12:07:13 kerio, then get a dumbphone Jul 16 12:07:21 * lcuk likes having power to make magic Jul 16 12:07:33 SpeedEvil: my laptop lasts longer Jul 16 12:07:55 ? Jul 16 12:07:57 kerio, your laptop also has a bigger battery Jul 16 12:09:14 lcuk: but a way bigger screen, and the cpu takes more power Jul 16 12:09:59 kerio, get a mugen battery Jul 16 12:10:26 just get extra power :) it keeps your device charging without having to swap out batteries Jul 16 12:10:43 I was thinking, with a mugen battery, you could just use the normal battery but use their custom back plate to allow for more space to stick something like, a digital compass or some other hardware :) Jul 16 12:11:04 sure alterego if its held in place Jul 16 12:11:14 Something that attaches to the serial port maybe .. Jul 16 12:11:20 i noticed inside n900 thers a strange almost appendixish blanking plate Jul 16 12:11:42 (see teardown vids) Jul 16 12:12:32 Right, installing a 32bit ubuntu 10.04 for Nokia Qt SDK so I can use that Qt 4.7 prerelease :) Jul 16 12:12:42 I want to work on a Maemo 5 media player that uses Qt Quick ... Jul 16 12:12:47 hmm I need to go check to see if there's hirose u.fl on the n900 :D Jul 16 12:12:47 To make it slick .. Jul 16 12:13:14 Maybe even have it ready in time for PR1.3 ... Jul 16 12:14:22 oh god it's... bulky Jul 16 12:20:10 alterego, if you start working on it /query me, got an idea Jul 16 12:21:36 MohammadAG51: well, I'm going to start working on a mafw front end for music only to begin with. Jul 16 12:23:07 I think having Music/Video seperate is a good idea. Jul 16 12:23:33 I'll probably implement internet radio as well if it starts to work out nicely. Jul 16 12:24:51 start on music, video works great already imo Jul 16 12:25:14 Indeed Jul 16 12:25:31 Is MeeGo going to use MAFW? Jul 16 12:30:37 hi everyone! Jul 16 12:33:15 Hi people Jul 16 12:34:34 I'm trying to pair my N900 with a Fedora laptop using Kbluetooth Wizard. The Wizard sees my N900 but tells me it doesn't support Input Service Jul 16 12:35:48 Do cellular phones ping multiple base stations simultaneously? Or is it just the one they're currently using? Jul 16 12:37:37 basically the one they're using, but they listen for others Jul 16 12:37:50 and may transmit in some circumstances IIRC Jul 16 12:40:14 Okay, juswondering. I'll have a look into the spec. Jul 16 12:40:44 I've been in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf to remove Input from DisablePlugins statement Jul 16 12:41:12 Don't know if I can find someone here, or if I have to move to another chan .. Jul 16 12:43:57 alterego: they can connect to multiple ones at a time, but they're using the one which has the best signal strength afaik Jul 16 12:56:38 hey ppl i install the scratchbox in my netbook Jul 16 12:56:50 but i very slow ( the gui of course ) Jul 16 12:56:50 god that'll be slow Jul 16 12:56:53 any tips ? Jul 16 12:56:58 hahaha Jul 16 12:56:59 yes, sell the netbook Jul 16 12:57:21 well then i will need figure out how install in at my archlinux install at desktop pc Jul 16 12:57:24 my notebook is netbook-y, I removed the GUI Jul 16 12:57:24 at home Jul 16 12:57:52 MohammadAG: but the scratchbox emulate a ARM procesor ? Jul 16 12:57:57 using quemu ? Jul 16 12:57:58 not the GUI one Jul 16 12:58:10 the GUI runs from the FREMANTLE_X86 target Jul 16 12:58:27 so it runs natively on your laptop, without hardware acceleration Jul 16 12:58:31 hmm but if is not emulate a arm why so slow Jul 16 12:58:33 ? Jul 16 12:58:43 CPU is slow Jul 16 12:58:50 it's a netbook Jul 16 12:58:54 1.6ghz is not that slow Jul 16 12:58:57 aren't those like, 1.6? Jul 16 12:59:01 slow Jul 16 12:59:05 :S Jul 16 12:59:30 well at home will not run that fast i only have 2.6 Jul 16 12:59:35 E0x, how fast does it build thing Jul 16 13:00:04 lcuk: just doing python coding for now so i not test yet the building Jul 16 13:00:14 eerrr Jul 16 13:00:15 the compile Jul 16 13:00:19 why not just bypass scratchbox totally and dev on device? Jul 16 13:00:33 lcuk: i will do some Qt dev too Jul 16 13:00:34 if its python at least for most things its capable Jul 16 13:00:47 pyqt works just the same Jul 16 13:00:49 :) Jul 16 13:01:10 lcuk: i want learn C++ a bit Jul 16 13:01:21 i try if i can do somethings Jul 16 13:01:25 E0x: then you should be using Nokia Qt SDK really :P Jul 16 13:01:35 E0x, sure then alterego is right Jul 16 13:01:51 * lcuk likes vnc over 3.5g Jul 16 13:02:14 yes but in the simulator i can't test python things so i want a thing that i can test both Jul 16 13:02:44 your n900! Jul 16 13:02:55 i havent fired up xepyhr since ummm almost never Jul 16 13:03:10 hmm maybe i will try that Jul 16 13:03:16 Yeah, if I'm developing Python I actually usually do it on the device using sftp support in gnome to view the files and edit in geit. Jul 16 13:03:19 ~gedit Jul 16 13:03:20 GTK+ based text editor. URL: http://gedit.pn.org/ Jul 16 13:03:39 with some sshfs for easy/fast file upload Jul 16 13:03:54 No, I just edit them _on_ the device. Jul 16 13:04:05 gedit will save direcctly to the N900 using sftp Jul 16 13:04:10 alterego, is gedit in repos? Jul 16 13:04:18 alterego: oh hmm Jul 16 13:04:19 lcuk: no, this is on my laptop :P Jul 16 13:04:23 not sure about that Jul 16 13:04:30 I would like a nice gedit port to maemo though :D Jul 16 13:04:33 alterego, then thats exactly same mechanism E0x just mentioned Jul 16 13:04:42 yes Jul 16 13:05:11 Probably, he made it sound different with "file upload" .. Jul 16 13:05:14 but was thinking in copy from pc to n900 and keep a copy of the code at pc Jul 16 13:05:20 I suppose it's because I just see it as saving straight to the device. Jul 16 13:05:29 Which I guess technically is "uploading" :) Jul 16 13:05:39 alterego, sure i did the same for ages direct from windows Jul 16 13:05:41 winscp ftw Jul 16 13:05:48 hehe Jul 16 13:06:25 Does winscp allow you to edit files directly on the device I.E. Just pressing "Save" and then it's saved via sftp to the device Jul 16 13:06:28 Ready to run ... Jul 16 13:06:47 alterego, it does the copying transparently, so effectively yes Jul 16 13:06:53 Cool Jul 16 13:07:02 clicking save in notepad or whatever editor Jul 16 13:07:18 kicks winscp back off to transfer file Jul 16 13:08:21 brb Jul 16 13:09:10 hmm, I think it's time for a reflash Jul 16 13:09:36 WTF Jul 16 13:09:41 landscape: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100715-145415.png Jul 16 13:09:49 portrait: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100715-235011.png Jul 16 13:10:12 alterego, any betas? Jul 16 13:10:14 or alphas? Jul 16 13:10:17 or brickers? Jul 16 13:10:21 Heh, Jul 16 13:10:29 No not yet, still very experimental Jul 16 13:10:29 back to where I was, WTF Jul 16 13:10:41 my N900 booted ubuntu without sliding open the keyvoard Jul 16 13:10:44 keyboard Jul 16 13:10:55 MohammadAG: uh-oh :P Jul 16 13:11:06 alterego, is that the gps thingamabob Jul 16 13:11:23 * lcuk cannot right click over vnc Jul 16 13:11:36 use a proper client :P Jul 16 13:11:44 vnc Jul 16 13:11:52 xtightvnc Jul 16 13:11:59 lcuk: yeah Jul 16 13:12:26 did you see the positioning video i did Jul 16 13:13:59 Nope, got a link? Jul 16 13:14:10 This is a rather failed attempt at theming. :D http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100712-194609.png Jul 16 13:14:13 err not on me - MohammadAG do you have a link to vid Jul 16 13:15:14 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM alterego lcuk Jul 16 13:15:27 Spank you Jul 16 13:17:11 lcuk: how are you doing movement? Camera? Jul 16 13:17:23 you tell me Jul 16 13:17:30 alterego, you noob Jul 16 13:17:33 it's using magic Jul 16 13:17:38 Heh Jul 16 13:18:16 Well, not the accelerometer Jul 16 13:18:52 If it was the camera then the text would need to be where the camera is. Though I was thinking something similar to how optical mice work. Jul 16 13:19:21 lcuk, front camera? Jul 16 13:19:37 move the discussion to yt comments or twitter or something :PO Jul 16 13:19:48 and when you know how its done let me know :P Jul 16 13:20:12 Well, you're the only one that "knows" how it's done. Jul 16 13:20:16 I'm just guessing. Jul 16 13:20:54 it's obviously timed and he's moving it at fixed intervals Jul 16 13:20:56 jk Jul 16 13:20:56 xD Jul 16 13:21:12 Heh Jul 16 13:23:29 I guess it wouldn't work just putting it down on an arbitrary rectangle. Jul 16 13:24:09 alterego, it works with or without the paper Jul 16 13:24:20 That's not what I mean. Jul 16 13:24:41 hmm, my n900 has two slightly brighter spots Jul 16 13:24:47 If you have a surface, and the N900 is in your hand, and you put it down on the surface in say the top right corner, it wont show the top right corner display. Jul 16 13:25:01 kerio: Mine has one, and it doesn't really bother me. Jul 16 13:25:18 Only noticable when it's showing complete white .. Jul 16 13:25:24 he's using the speakers' holes and mic to measure wind speed when moving the N900, that's why he's moving it too fast Jul 16 13:25:25 :P Jul 16 13:25:26 same here Jul 16 13:26:03 moh that was a real viable option, i considered echo location Jul 16 13:26:18 Hahah Jul 16 13:26:46 I still think you're using the camera and doing something similar to an optical mouse. Jul 16 13:26:51 the Nokia N900: it's what bats have become Jul 16 13:26:53 Though, maybe not. Jul 16 13:27:19 Why are you so hesitant about giving away how you've done it? :P Jul 16 13:27:30 lcuk, hmm, ever considered using the back magnet? Jul 16 13:27:33 i am not - i explained it in great detail a few days ago Jul 16 13:27:41 Oh Jul 16 13:27:45 people just started asking if it was magic so i went along wit hit Jul 16 13:27:49 LOL Jul 16 13:27:55 Well, how do you do it then? :P Jul 16 13:28:09 alterego, you wouldn't know if it hit you right in the face Jul 16 13:28:27 * MohammadAG slaps alterego around with a large trout Jul 16 13:28:28 No, probably not :P Jul 16 13:28:37 that's how, trouts Jul 16 13:28:42 That's why I'm asking :) Jul 16 13:37:44 lcuk: how does it work? Jul 16 13:38:15 it's using magic Jul 16 13:38:29 told ya Jul 16 13:38:56 does anyone know where the screen tap sound is? Jul 16 13:39:16 Heh Jul 16 13:39:44 lcuk: :( Jul 16 13:39:49 i missed the explanation! Jul 16 13:39:59 x-maemo-touchscreen-pressed.wav found it Jul 16 13:42:57 lcuk: is it on some repo yet? Jul 16 13:45:14 kerio, github.com/lcuk Jul 16 13:45:25 w00t_: ping Jul 16 13:45:59 hi all Jul 16 13:47:12 I'm having problems building an application with Extras Autobuilder. If you can give a look here: http://pastebin.com/FMRgTt2E line 85, it bothers about: /usr/bin/rcc: File does not exist '../lastgo.qrc' but it exist... how can I fix it? Jul 16 13:48:03 Andy80: could you give us a link to your debian/control file? Jul 16 13:48:21 Venemo: yes... one moment... Jul 16 13:49:06 Andy80: Notice the case change. Jul 16 13:49:35 Venemo: here is the control http://pastebin.com/w077J8C7 and here is the rules http://pastebin.com/wY92FLAz Jul 16 13:49:46 Andy80: As you seem to use uppercase in the .pro file? Jul 16 13:49:48 X-Fade: no no... the filename is really lastgo.qrc Jul 16 13:49:53 Ok. Jul 16 13:50:52 X-Fade: my idea: I create a builddir and call qmake from there... so the path should be ../lastgo.qrc like is ../LastGo.pro for the project... Jul 16 13:51:32 I had packaged another qt/c++ app before, but it didn't use a qrc file Jul 16 13:54:30 are there any tweaks to adjust the window manager on n900? such as to turn off fancy compiz/beryl like effects? Jul 16 13:54:49 Venemo: any idea? Jul 16 13:55:30 jacekowski: can't find chromium in your repo Jul 16 13:56:28 oh nvm Jul 16 13:56:35 typoed fremantle :/ Jul 16 13:58:22 So my angry birds just updated telling me there are two more level packs for purchase - but these level packs aren't listed on ovi yet? Jul 16 13:58:33 jacekowski: the package chromium can't be authenticated Jul 16 13:58:38 I mean somehow I'm not surprised - but any idea when they are going to show up? Jul 16 13:58:44 Jef91, they are, under level 1 pack Jul 16 13:58:49 do i just force the install? Jul 16 13:59:01 ... I own level 1 pack psycho_oreos Jul 16 13:59:21 Jef91, has the package been installed? check via dpkg Jul 16 14:00:01 Jef91: they'll be up by the end of the day I imagine. Jul 16 14:00:02 fyi those two levels did show up as level 1 packs on ovi, they should still be there under paid apps or something Jul 16 14:00:13 The same thing happened with the game update yesterday Jul 16 14:00:45 kerio: packages in my repo are not signed Jul 16 14:01:32 so sign them! Jul 16 14:01:45 :) Jul 16 14:02:20 i don't have keys Jul 16 14:02:26 i would have to generate them Jul 16 14:03:39 Jef91, ahh yeah I see what you mean, its listed but you can get to the purchase page Jul 16 14:03:46 jacekowski Unsigned packages are the devil's playground :P Jul 16 14:03:49 s/can/can't/ Jul 16 14:03:51 X-Fade: you know where I can find a qt application that uses a .qrc so I can see how is it packaged? Jul 16 14:03:57 s/can/can't/g Jul 16 14:03:58 psycho_oreos yep :( Jul 16 14:04:03 I hope they release soon. Jul 16 14:04:17 New angry birds levels would be my girlfriend entertained for a good while Jul 16 14:04:32 the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 262 more bytes) Jul 16 14:04:35 Jef91, still don't know why does that matter to you unless you are missing those two levels after reflashing or something Jul 16 14:04:36 that will take ages Jul 16 14:07:26 Play angry birds. Jul 16 14:07:57 psycho_oreos: there are more levels being released that have not previously beenavailale on the n900 Jul 16 14:08:12 the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 72 more bytes) Jul 16 14:09:37 jacekowski: bash on your keyboard like a monkey! Jul 16 14:10:18 SpeedEvil, afaik there's only 3 levels for angrybirds 1.1, on iphone there's like 5 or so levels with latter versions Jul 16 14:10:43 exactly Jul 16 14:11:23 you're telling me that you can get 5 levels from iphone's .payload to n900? ;) Jul 16 14:12:11 umm, aren't the two level packs ready? Jul 16 14:12:18 so it gets up to 5 Jul 16 14:12:25 but as always, ovi's delaying release Jul 16 14:12:48 afaik there's level pack 1 which provides level 2 and 3 on 1.1 angrybirds Jul 16 14:12:59 angrybirds on iphone was something like 1.5 Jul 16 14:15:16 alas I don't game much on n900 :) I only game alot is only to show off to iphail fans that n900 can also game ;) Jul 16 14:15:48 iPhone fanboy: "But... does it fart?: Jul 16 14:15:50 "* Jul 16 14:16:23 what's angrybirds? Jul 16 14:16:28 a game Jul 16 14:16:52 MohammadAG, heh :) Microsoft(r)'s Kin1(tm) and Kin2(tm) - It never really happened (tm)... Apple(tm) - Avoid holding your iPhone(tm) 4 that way... Jul 16 14:17:05 kerio: it's remote server Jul 16 14:17:12 kerio: but it's signing now Jul 16 14:17:15 kerio: happy? Jul 16 14:18:54 jacekowski: does that mean that i have to redownload it? Jul 16 14:18:55 D: Jul 16 14:19:12 i'm on a crappy connection :( Jul 16 14:20:41 "Any anitvirus for the N900?" Heh .. Jul 16 14:21:09 Angrybirds is great. Jul 16 14:21:22 I wish that bounce had a few more levels. Jul 16 14:21:28 that would showcase it well Jul 16 14:21:31 but... Jul 16 14:21:43 I think the potential for commerical devs to flock to the n900 has past. Jul 16 14:21:55 bounce is the one thing I can sorta boast :) unique to only n900 Jul 16 14:22:15 not only that I think n900 just came in at the wrong time.. along with ovi woes Jul 16 14:23:09 bounce sucks Jul 16 14:23:20 I think the ovi store _totally_ screwed up any lingering hopes. Jul 16 14:23:22 I see lots and lots of users complaining constantly day in day out with ovi having issues Jul 16 14:23:32 bounce doesn't suck Jul 16 14:23:40 Extras 'just works' - mostly Jul 16 14:23:49 Ovi - just has problems. Jul 16 14:24:08 ovi - the problem is itself Jul 16 14:24:55 they can't get it out of their head that they like symbian too much, ovi maps lacked half the feature it had on other nokia platforms Jul 16 14:25:01 psycho_oreos: horrible framerate, horrible controls Jul 16 14:25:44 kerio: chromium isn't signed Jul 16 14:25:47 kerio, decent framerate, yes maybe poor accelerometers but so what? ever trying playing games using purely on accelerometers? Jul 16 14:25:52 kerio: new packages will be Jul 16 14:26:20 jacekowski: i see Jul 16 14:26:31 do i need to add the key somehow? Jul 16 14:26:39 s/trying/tried/g Jul 16 14:26:40 psycho_oreos meant: kerio, decent framerate, yes maybe poor accelerometers but so what? ever tried playing games using purely on accelerometers? Jul 16 14:26:46 and will you release updates to chromium? Jul 16 14:27:09 psycho_oreos: yes, but that's not exactly the point here Jul 16 14:27:15 the one that comes to mind is warioware smooth moves Jul 16 14:27:36 but, you know, dedicated hw Jul 16 14:28:11 kerio, that's more like asking for a lopsided comparison, n900 is a phone, not a giant dedicated accelerometer :) Jul 16 14:28:40 i played lots of iphone games Jul 16 14:28:54 well, not lots, but at least some Jul 16 14:28:56 it (n900) has lots of features its not great at but at least it includes them and has linux base Jul 16 14:29:34 psycho_oreos: yeah - it doesn't make it a good idea to use them primarily for a "first-party" game with some history like bounce Jul 16 14:30:51 kerio, its more like an open demonstration to show what were the potential of n900's hardware... I think that was the original intention of developing bounce evolution in the first place.. it was purely a demo :) Jul 16 14:31:23 a techdemo *this* bad? no wonder there are no commercial games on the n900... Jul 16 14:31:24 :P Jul 16 14:31:48 there's lots of tech demos worse than that on n900 Jul 16 14:32:09 i just want a 3310 emulator for snake Jul 16 14:32:23 or a 3330 emulator for snake 2 Jul 16 14:32:27 alas the devs put it up and asked for nothing, so why complain when you got your stab at free lunch? Jul 16 14:34:30 I want the N-Gage snake Jul 16 14:49:51 MohammadAG51: so neopwn.com is still down... Cool eh? Jul 16 14:51:20 why ask about neopwn? you have om freerunner? Jul 16 14:51:46 s/ask/talk/g Jul 16 14:51:47 psycho_oreos meant: why talk about neopwn? you have om freerunner? Jul 16 14:52:02 psycho_oreos: they're going to release packet injection for the n900 Jul 16 14:52:18 crashanddie, that has already happened :) Jul 16 14:52:31 its under a new project for n900 anyway Jul 16 14:52:53 infobot: why aren't you voiced? Is your connection shaky again? Jul 16 14:52:55 why not? Jul 16 14:53:06 because Jul 16 14:53:22 infobot: please don't answer to questions by another question Jul 16 14:54:02 psycho_oreos: they are allegedly going to provide a "backtrack equivalent for the n900" Jul 16 14:54:11 psycho_oreos: which is the only reason I'm interested Jul 16 14:54:21 crashanddie, yeah and that is already happening :) Jul 16 14:54:34 dude, I don't give a fuck if it's happening or not Jul 16 14:54:37 they have it working. Jul 16 14:54:43 (allegedly) Jul 16 14:55:02 (#1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXfGGOa-skA, or (#2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht4WDho1UWY, or (#3) http://videos.aircrack-ng.org/N900_injection.mp4 Jul 16 14:55:18 backtrack equivalent, maybe Jul 16 14:55:47 psycho_oreos: note that both youtube videos are uploaded by the "neopwn" account Jul 16 14:56:30 so please stfu, considering you're attempting to correct me using the stuff I was talking about in the first place. Jul 16 14:56:55 I think it's just very, very interesting that days before the supposed release, their website goes down Jul 16 15:00:27 crashanddie, yeah, still 'down' for me Jul 16 15:00:56 * lcuk has a numb eye Jul 16 15:04:09 lcuk: told you to stop poking it Jul 16 15:04:45 crashanddie, dentist - ive just never had her push so far into me Jul 16 15:05:03 ok ok, let's keep this a family channel Jul 16 15:05:08 I don't care about your sexual activities Jul 16 15:05:18 lol Jul 16 15:05:18 LOL Jul 16 15:05:49 so i shant tell you it was a double penetration o_O she did 2 fillings at the same time Jul 16 15:07:06 oh hai Jul 16 15:07:45 lcuk: On that topic (not worksafe) http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12146#p12146 (no, it's not quite that - it's an example of how far people will go to make money on the internet) Jul 16 15:08:16 The above occurred on the 4th of july, so the person linking me to said. Jul 16 15:08:45 O_o Jul 16 15:09:54 SpeedEvil, i was talking about the dentist you crude git Jul 16 15:10:02 Hi all Jul 16 15:10:54 lol lcuk he knows Jul 16 15:15:46 Stskeeps: ping Jul 16 15:46:12 Dentists in the UK? Jul 16 15:46:39 Stskeeps: tried fb_text2screen master on meego? Jul 16 15:46:53 slonopotamus: no, didn't have time today Jul 16 15:47:05 k Jul 16 15:47:45 btw, fremantle text2screen still has broken colors :) Jul 16 15:53:01 GAN900, lol yes we do have them Jul 16 15:53:32 most people avoid them as i have done for too long :) thankfully im having everything cured Jul 16 15:53:56 Is there a way to open the phone app with a number to dial from an app? Jul 16 15:56:04 Lateralus: Try opening the the xterm and doing `xdg-open tel:123` Jul 16 15:56:18 That would be the *nix/fd-ish way Jul 16 15:56:22 imoho Jul 16 15:58:26 zash: there ain't xdg-open (whatever it is) in maemo Jul 16 15:58:33 meh Jul 16 15:59:26 slonopotamus: a freedesktop tool to launch urls/files in the application registerd to handle them Jul 16 15:59:29 I was figuring there would be some dbus message for it Jul 16 16:48:55 lcuk: Forgot to say... cool stuff :) Jul 16 16:49:06 haha X-Fade :) Jul 16 16:49:09 thx Jul 16 16:51:14 ok, it's likely something to do with com.nokia.csd.Call Jul 16 16:51:25 is that documented anywhere? com.nokia.csd.Call.Instance? Jul 16 16:52:09 lcuk: Connect that to some of the UX proto ideas we saw last year :) Jul 16 16:54:59 X-Fade, you mean http://n900blog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/091009-maemo-01.jpg?w=497&h=300 ;) Jul 16 16:55:25 the cells can be anything - i just prototyped it with broken ones - ive got some more shiney things pending Jul 16 16:55:33 will there indeed be maemi 6? Jul 16 16:55:35 lcuk: Yeah ;) Jul 16 16:56:02 X-Fade, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnTCh7exB0E take a glance at this - portrait mode image select Jul 16 16:56:03 lcuk: But? mpeg movement vectors using frontcam? Jul 16 16:56:47 X-Fade, mmm no, much simpler Jul 16 16:56:52 explained in the thread now totally Jul 16 16:57:06 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=754042&postcount=11 Jul 16 16:57:25 *blink* an update for flashlight Jul 16 16:57:51 (also is there a way to disable camera app startup on cover open ?) Jul 16 17:00:19 lcuk: Ah, yes real info in a talk thread, who would have thought that :) Jul 16 17:00:31 haha its our maemo :P Jul 16 17:00:38 we should fill it with good stuff Jul 16 17:06:03 hm, what happened to the sharing plugin for gallery2 Jul 16 17:11:10 X-Fade, makes me nastolgic. Jul 16 17:16:56 GAN900: What? Jul 16 17:25:07 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58565 Jul 16 17:31:28 re Jul 16 17:34:35 i will get a free case from apple if i buy an iphone 4 till end of september Jul 16 17:34:40 hehe Jul 16 17:37:21 Wow! Jul 16 17:37:24 The bargain! Jul 16 17:37:59 you mean you get a free iphone when you buy a case? :D Jul 16 17:38:13 lcuk: that would be cool Jul 16 17:38:13 hahaha Jul 16 17:39:01 honestly, it costs them about 1$ x 6 mio= 6 mio Jul 16 17:39:09 thats a joke Jul 16 17:39:18 gah this new qt creator is grinding my gears Jul 16 17:39:28 I can't seem to delete the package creation step Jul 16 17:39:47 dotblank, did you see the thread where i explained inverse augmented reality stuff Jul 16 17:40:00 lcuk, not yet Jul 16 17:40:14 lcuk: hey, you are the guy with the liqbase stuff, right? Jul 16 17:40:33 lcuk: really impressive speed Jul 16 17:40:34 I'm about to take a plane so Im trying to setup my laptop's sdk Jul 16 17:40:54 and grr I can't delete the package creation step.. from the build process... Jul 16 17:41:03 dotblank, air crew frown upon you doing compilation and "technical" stuff whilst airside Jul 16 17:41:11 BluesLee, indeedy, the very same :) Jul 16 17:41:16 8 hour plane Jul 16 17:41:29 no internet.. Jul 16 17:41:30 enjoy your time in plastic cufs then Jul 16 17:41:38 on qt docs and my laptop and n900 Jul 16 17:41:45 only* Jul 16 17:42:22 dotblank, well if you have time to read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=753976#post753976 ;) Jul 16 17:42:27 full how did i do it thread :P Jul 16 17:44:08 ah Jul 16 17:44:12 lcuk: can you speed up the maemo ui in the same way?;-) Jul 16 17:44:13 lcuk: just a joke, the ui is fast enough, but your stuff is cool Jul 16 17:44:55 heh Jul 16 17:48:26 * Jaffa 'd had hopes that libmeegotouch, MeeGo et al would've been designed from the ground up with speed, fluidity and reducing overhead as the primary drivers. Jul 16 17:49:30 lcuk: epic Jul 16 17:49:54 The Maemo 5 stack and the N900 just feel slow now, especially compared with the competition - but absolute tasks too :( Jul 16 17:50:19 jaffa, i actually think it is to some extent Jul 16 17:51:17 (and no, that isnt a fanboy statement) Jul 16 17:52:53 Jaffa: A new stack - reduce overhead? Jul 16 17:53:01 Are you _MAD_? Jul 16 17:53:40 Abstraction piled on abstraction is the way! Jul 16 17:53:41 its not unheard of :) Jul 16 17:54:13 i perceive of it as a lean and mean stack, personally Jul 16 17:54:22 Use a 20 meg library that nothing else on the plarform uses to 'reuse code' - instead of writing a 12 line function that might require you to think for half an hour. Jul 16 17:54:33 Stskeeps: Goodo. More shouting about that from architects etc, please :) Jul 16 17:54:56 SpeedEvil: but then you have to support that code! Jul 16 17:54:57 :D Jul 16 17:55:28 Stskeeps: Blog posts like the stuff Moblin put out about fastboot. How do you make a full featured, cross-platform, API act speedilyetc. Jul 16 17:55:46 Jaffa, i really would like core to talk more Jul 16 17:55:58 but alas, its july, nothing will happen Jul 16 17:56:07 Stskeeps: True. Jul 16 17:56:43 i do appreciate meego-commits list which states wtf actually goes on Jul 16 17:56:50 and open qa Jul 16 17:57:52 and so on.. things are going in the right direction Jul 16 17:58:31 Anyone want to write a meego traffic? :) Jul 16 17:59:18 i am already overwhelmed with commits to trunk and testing, there is really a lot of development strength going into it Jul 16 18:04:50 Stskeeps: cool Jul 16 18:06:32 Stskeeps, but is it getting anywhere or treading water? Jul 16 18:08:35 lcuk, gtiting somewhere Jul 16 18:08:58 \o/ Jul 16 18:51:01 nice. I just got qt quick photoviewer demo application running on my osx to be able to directly load the images from my n900 using the web server I built yesterday DocScrutinizer. Image version is replicating flickr API, so it was basically one liner change on the photoviewer code side. (different address of the server) Jul 16 18:57:14 konttori, impressive! i hope it sends over the thumbnails first for quick instant browsing of the grid before sending large images only on request ;) Jul 16 18:57:32 lcuk: it uses the thumbnails on .thumbnails/cropped Jul 16 18:57:45 * lcuk nods :) Jul 16 18:57:49 and then the full image is only sent when you are in fullscreen view of the image. Jul 16 18:58:02 cool Jul 16 18:58:08 konttori: Nokia Personal Webserver (for Symbian) did somethign similar Jul 16 18:58:26 it then loads the full image async and then fades the preview away Jul 16 18:58:36 konttori: It basically replaced PCSuite functionality with a web server running on the device and accessible via any web browser Jul 16 18:58:47 RST38h: pretty nifty idea. Jul 16 18:58:54 and should be pretty easy to do as well Jul 16 18:59:13 for me, adding the image support has now taken like about 4 hours so far. Jul 16 18:59:17 perhas 5. Jul 16 18:59:45 (part of that doing the mandatory hello world web server first) Jul 16 19:01:04 konttori: it may also let you access settings, call log, message log, check device's location and temperature, etc Jul 16 19:01:09 konttori, did you see the inverted augmented reality video? Jul 16 19:01:22 lcuk: no, lemme see Jul 16 19:01:59 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM Jul 16 19:07:52 did you click konttori Jul 16 19:09:08 looking now Jul 16 19:09:28 lcuk: ah, that one. Yeah, saw it yesterda. Rocks Jul 16 19:11:47 konttori, so this web server deffo looks interesting - i might have to look closer to linkup some of the bits i need Jul 16 19:12:25 I'll work a bit more and share the code for you. wanna get snapshot now? Jul 16 19:13:18 will it happily install/run on fremantle? Jul 16 19:13:49 I'm running it on n900 now. (you were accessing it from my n900) Jul 16 19:14:11 Just store anywhere and run: python webserver.py Jul 16 19:14:16 :D bonus Jul 16 19:14:41 heh python powered! is it python server or tying into qt 4.6/4.7 methods? Jul 16 19:22:45 hye, is there any man pages available for n900 ? Jul 16 19:23:36 dragonlinux, hmm lots of packages come from upstream, but since man pages arent included on device itself generally packages targetting maemo have missed them Jul 16 19:24:17 i see. thanks for that Jul 16 19:29:30 lcuk: it's python server only. and serves ATOM feeds that currently I'm using on qml application. Jul 16 19:29:49 Just installing libqt4-experimental-declarative on n900 to try it out on the device. Jul 16 19:30:02 :D cool Jul 16 19:30:56 lcuk: how did you do the slides/transitions for that AR thing? just a huge picture which you moved? or were those real apps? Jul 16 19:31:20 DocScrutinizer, those are real liq* cells just like the other apps i run Jul 16 19:31:38 incredible Jul 16 19:31:48 i just loaded up a bunch of inactive ones to prove concept, i have alternative cleaned up things :) Jul 16 19:33:01 DocScrutinizer, the rendering engine for liqbase is geared up for it and always has been :) Jul 16 19:33:39 yeah, just adequate for liqtorch :-P Jul 16 19:33:46 indeed :) Jul 16 19:33:51 liqtorch is more hello world ;) Jul 16 19:34:01 is less hello world Jul 16 19:34:01 i couldnt think of anything better or simpler to get started with :P Jul 16 19:34:26 at least now those xxMB make some sense to me Jul 16 19:34:29 konttori, i got some patches recently - libliqbase is now built using g++ and technically c++ capable Jul 16 19:34:37 lol its never been a mb Jul 16 19:34:53 Are you talking about a videod demonstration? Link? :) Jul 16 19:34:57 * lcuk thanks w00t_ Jul 16 19:35:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM ShadowJK Jul 16 19:35:25 and no, its a proof of concept :P Jul 16 19:35:50 just have shown it off to a friend in the pub (of course on N900) - impressed the shit out of him Jul 16 19:36:39 well DocScrutinizer i've never seen any phone do that before :) Jul 16 19:36:49 * lcuk has wanted this for agessssssssssss Jul 16 19:37:27 it should also work: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_double_tiny.JPG ;) (original inspiration image) Jul 16 19:37:34 * DocScrutinizer glues 3 LED to a sombrero and sends that hat to lcuk Jul 16 19:38:02 a cap will be fine ty :P Jul 16 19:38:40 heh, I never did that obscene position to my N810s Jul 16 19:39:05 haha! i do it to all my devices ;) http://liqbase.net/liqbase_dualstack.JPG Jul 16 19:39:54 i even made them have a threesome :P http://liqbase.net/liq.liqbase.multi.sketch.S6003750.JPG Jul 16 19:41:31 on a sidenote: Jul 16 19:41:37 MohammadAG51: ping Jul 16 19:41:55 * MohammadAG51 hits DocScrutinizer with a pingpong ball Jul 16 19:42:34 how long were you powering those active speakers via N900 USB host, when power outage in Jordan Jul 16 19:42:35 ? Jul 16 19:43:26 half an hour maybe Jul 16 19:43:47 just about as geeky as those double stack of lcuk (modulo the cute sw on those) Jul 16 19:43:57 hmm Jul 16 19:44:18 the whole power thingy was on a stock kernel btw Jul 16 19:44:34 N900: the most expensive, most weak, most geeky USB power pack Jul 16 19:44:38 but the speakers didn't touch data or anything, they only need power Jul 16 19:44:51 i.e no enumeration shit Jul 16 19:44:57 yepyep Jul 16 19:45:08 could as well power a mug warmer Jul 16 19:45:18 or better a fan these days :-D Jul 16 19:45:25 LOL Jul 16 19:45:31 btw, volume wasn't low Jul 16 19:45:44 and the LED was as bright as when it was on my PC Jul 16 19:45:46 1W of sound is quite loud really Jul 16 19:45:58 I bet, otherwise it wouldn't eat your bat SUCH fast Jul 16 19:46:33 (LED) as long as boost mode stays, it will provide 4V95 Jul 16 19:46:38 well, it only needed half a bat or so Jul 16 19:46:50 i could do tests if you want Jul 16 19:47:11 that sound about right: half a bat are ~1.5Wh Jul 16 19:47:33 what format is the contacts db actually in the n900? Jul 16 19:47:36 sqlite? Jul 16 19:47:46 sqlite 3 afaik Jul 16 19:48:36 200mA*5V=1W output on USB + 1W for full active N900 Jul 16 19:49:04 also others claimed it's berkleyDB Jul 16 19:49:11 whatever that is Jul 16 19:50:02 I've yet to see the sql cmd to read out those crap files.db Jul 16 19:50:06 Gh0sty: it's berkley db. Jul 16 19:50:43 DocScrutinizer, well contacts app can read it Jul 16 19:50:51 * DocScrutinizer ponders to google berkley db Jul 16 19:50:52 and it renders it nicely afaik :P Jul 16 19:50:55 thats what i am looking for Jul 16 19:50:59 gah Jul 16 19:51:12 * luke-jr is divided on whether to keep T-Mobile Jul 16 19:51:13 to actually do something useful with those contacts on a regular pc :) Jul 16 19:51:19 fsck contacts - it's closed Jul 16 19:51:20 on one hand, it's convenient when it does work Jul 16 19:51:26 but on the other hand, it doesn't work all too often Jul 16 19:51:28 sigh Jul 16 19:52:29 DocScrutinizer: it's really low level db. Mosly a hash table really Jul 16 19:52:39 totally wrong choice if you ask me. Jul 16 19:52:48 sqlite would have been the right choice. Jul 16 19:52:52 or tracker. Jul 16 19:52:59 but not berkley db Jul 16 19:53:00 I don't really care, just gimme a tool to read it Jul 16 19:53:06 a cmdline tool! Jul 16 19:57:04 meh, no cmdline interface (by definition)... ? o.O Jul 16 19:57:23 please wait, rescanning contacts Jul 16 19:57:23 sqlite for sure've been the better choice then Jul 16 19:57:32 nah Jul 16 19:57:35 just make a directory Jul 16 19:57:38 lcuk, are you revealing yet how it's done? Jul 16 19:57:39 and make 1 file per contact Jul 16 19:57:41 :D Jul 16 19:58:09 luke-jr: vcard Jul 16 19:58:16 DocScrutinizer: yep Jul 16 19:58:20 that's how I do it myself Jul 16 19:58:21 full ack Jul 16 19:58:31 it worked pretty well until KDE screwed up KAddressBook :/ Jul 16 19:58:46 ShadowJK, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=753976#post753976 whole thread on inverse augmented reality and how its done :P Jul 16 19:59:17 I mean, up to a reasonably usable managable limit of contocts (some hundered) what for do I need a db? Jul 16 19:59:19 heh, my eyes deceived me Jul 16 19:59:30 full ack -> fu** all Jul 16 19:59:35 luke-jr: =-( Jul 16 19:59:48 DocScrutinizer: even then, VCards in IMAP... IMAP can search :D Jul 16 20:00:02 but KDE never supported that properly :( Jul 16 20:00:03 luke-jr: no more vcard resources in Kontact?? Jul 16 20:00:16 probably is Jul 16 20:00:21 but Kontact is broken since 4.4 Jul 16 20:00:41 hooray, so it matches other KDE4 crap now Jul 16 20:00:56 what exactly? Jul 16 20:01:11 KAddressBook doesn't work at all as far as I can tell Jul 16 20:01:36 kaddrbook is obsolete with kde4 I heard Jul 16 20:02:03 but then Kontact doesn't use KAddrBook anymore I heard same source Jul 16 20:02:05 just renamed AFAIK Jul 16 20:02:27 binary is still kaddressbook Jul 16 20:02:32 but name is "Contact Manager" Jul 16 20:02:42 hmm, my contacts are all still there Jul 16 20:02:43 lcuk, Jul 16 20:02:47 the problem is this new Akonadi framework Jul 16 20:02:53 it's horribly misdesigned and broken Jul 16 20:02:56 get some USB leds and do all what you did via the N900's port Jul 16 20:02:56 MohammadAG51, Jul 16 20:02:57 akonadi, yeah Jul 16 20:03:03 heard that as well Jul 16 20:03:10 MohammadAG51, sure but with wires its a bit less fun Jul 16 20:03:17 i thought of that when you said about powered speakers Jul 16 20:03:29 i would prefer having the usb used for arduino Jul 16 20:03:50 what's the purpose of liqbase anyways? Jul 16 20:03:53 arduino? Jul 16 20:03:54 the Nokia 770 and N800 dogs should work Jul 16 20:04:01 I would prefer having hostmode working Jul 16 20:04:17 me too, but that's kinda dead isn't it :) Jul 16 20:04:30 limbo state Jul 16 20:05:02 k, zombie state :P Jul 16 20:05:04 jacekowski, for me? its an ideas playground, and those ideas are all growing up and breaking off into their little apps :) Jul 16 20:05:07 I got no new arguments to push, and the old efforts seem to be discontinued Jul 16 20:05:51 lcuk: and with that cluster thingy Jul 16 20:05:56 lcuk: opencv Jul 16 20:06:17 lcuk: and transmitting image from camera via bluetooth from one device to other Jul 16 20:06:19 and then comparing Jul 16 20:06:30 what's the best way to implement simple blit() with RGB565? Jul 16 20:06:32 so it could detect position based on that without any reference Jul 16 20:06:37 on N900 :) Jul 16 20:06:37 huh? i want something in realtime not waiting a fortnight Jul 16 20:06:48 opencv is realtime Jul 16 20:06:54 hmm, bluetooth isn't Jul 16 20:06:56 Summeli: /dev/fb0 Jul 16 20:06:59 but you can process Jul 16 20:07:02 transfering image data over at 25fps isnt Jul 16 20:07:11 especially over bt/wifi Jul 16 20:07:13 or get some initial reference Jul 16 20:07:29 and then send just info where is it moving Jul 16 20:07:39 jacekowski, why dont you try it Jul 16 20:07:48 i'm playing with low level stuff Jul 16 20:07:49 you know opencv Jul 16 20:07:52 RST38h: Can I have some ways to avoid tearing with that? Jul 16 20:08:02 after i'm done with bme stuff Jul 16 20:08:16 jacekowski: 2/3 done with specs. Sorry was busy the afternoon Jul 16 20:08:17 but opencv + accelerometer Jul 16 20:08:35 I was thinking about the opengl es, which should provide the double buffering to avoid tearing Jul 16 20:08:35 sure jacekowski im not in a rush, btw, you have seen the sort of stuff i use accelerometer for havent you? Jul 16 20:08:41 Summeli: not on n900 afaik Jul 16 20:08:47 lcuk: no Jul 16 20:08:49 jacekowski, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q Jul 16 20:08:59 lcuk: ah, that Jul 16 20:09:07 that's nice Jul 16 20:09:28 same thing happens with this inv.ar stuff Jul 16 20:09:41 and it scales and rotates based on camera Jul 16 20:09:55 and does what the accelerometer cant (rotation along flat plane) Jul 16 20:12:02 yeah, compass would be nice Jul 16 20:12:29 yeah but you work with what you have Jul 16 20:12:30 DocScrutinizer, can I have a look at it too? Jul 16 20:12:41 ShadowJK: sure, np Jul 16 20:12:56 jacekowski, if i still had n810 as primary i would be doing same with that Jul 16 20:13:07 much appreciated Jul 16 20:13:09 i think the code should just work, though i havent fired it up yet Jul 16 20:13:23 i probably broke many things in last few months Jul 16 20:13:54 well, anyways, charging is pretty much close to be finished Jul 16 20:14:01 location has to be reversed Jul 16 20:14:12 powervr would be nice Jul 16 20:14:41 DocScrutinizer: send me whatever you have Jul 16 20:16:15 jacekowski: sure, another ~60..90min, ok? Jul 16 21:04:58 everyone has died? Jul 16 21:05:12 i need couple brave volunteers Jul 16 21:05:20 for? Jul 16 21:06:23 potentialy having to flash phone Jul 16 21:06:47 would be better to explain :P i can always re-create my flash image, so Jul 16 21:07:38 hmm, nvm Jul 16 21:07:42 it's not compiling anyways Jul 16 21:08:00 i was hoping to do very ugly hack to have self contained i2c module in one file Jul 16 21:45:54 kernel panic Jul 16 21:51:10 i'm unable to find erminig-ng in extras-devel.... Jul 16 21:51:13 anyone? Jul 16 21:55:49 is Erminig-NG = Erminig? Jul 16 21:56:15 most probably Jul 16 21:58:50 meat probably Jul 16 22:01:18 chicken is likely Jul 16 22:07:02 when I plug in the usb the usb0 interface isent gettin setup automaticlly what do I need to do? Jul 16 22:07:20 I have iface static in /etc/network/interfaces... Jul 16 22:08:29 ham5: click "PC Suite Mode"? Jul 16 22:09:41 I can do it... I just need to 'ifconfig usb0 192.168.200.2 up' everytime I plug in the usb Jul 16 22:09:46 ham5: pc-side? Jul 16 22:09:47 huh Jul 16 22:09:57 edit /etc/network/interfaces Jul 16 22:10:04 and add ifup usb0 to... hmm Jul 16 22:10:15 there's some script that's executed every time you enter pc suite mode Jul 16 22:10:16 hold on Jul 16 22:10:29 ham5: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking Jul 16 22:12:04 ham5: you have ifplugd? Jul 16 22:12:15 thats a long ass line to set/resetthe connection manager Jul 16 22:12:31 no luke Jul 16 22:12:43 ham5: that's to make maemo think that's connected Jul 16 22:29:34 emergency recover charge mode does NOT work with 550mA fast charge, as bq24150 power on defaults to not enabling the OTG pin :-((( Jul 16 22:30:42 this means the whole 1707 autonomous fastcharger detection fu is completely worthless and N900 will recover_charge with 100mA, no matter what charger Jul 16 22:31:00 er Jul 16 22:31:14 how long do you need to recover charge for? Jul 16 22:31:18 :) Jul 16 22:31:53 well, recover charging is timer limited to 32 minutes anyway Jul 16 22:32:55 now that pretty much explains why users have problems to resurrect a deep discharged battery. Jul 16 22:33:01 DocScrutinizer: that would explain the 'my phone won't charge' reports we get. Jul 16 22:33:07 yep Jul 16 22:33:26 Hmm Jul 16 22:33:53 poor nokia, they obviously also didn't check for this silicon bug in bq24150 Jul 16 22:34:21 or maybe it's just a bug in datasheet? :-D Jul 16 22:34:30 Does it do the right thing on boot? Jul 16 22:34:54 As it seems to not be rapidly switching on 500mA detection, and in several cases power-looping Jul 16 22:35:15 (bq24150.pdf p28, table 7 - for those who want to check) Jul 16 22:35:57 SpeedEvil: please rephrase Jul 16 22:36:01 This may be a clear bug - in that it's a difference from the L1/L2 manual Jul 16 22:36:34 I mean - many users have reported that it will loop - start to boot, crash out due to low voltage, and repeat Jul 16 22:36:51 hmm, how's that related? Jul 16 22:37:31 well, thing is that nolo doesn't shutdown on low voltage Jul 16 22:37:49 and bme doesn't shutdown on low voltage as well Jul 16 22:37:52 dsme shuts down the device afaik Jul 16 22:37:57 it requests shutdown from dsme Jul 16 22:38:01 but that's on timer Jul 16 22:38:06 so it would start to charge Jul 16 22:38:09 and cancel the timer Jul 16 22:38:09 you can see it in framebuffer anyways Jul 16 22:38:20 well, on a battery with a certain impedance, the device will cause bat voltage to drop under hard shutdown threshold defined in GAIA Jul 16 22:38:32 when starting to draw current Jul 16 22:39:49 yesyes, all very nice and interesting, but applies to fully booted system, not to emergency recover charging Jul 16 22:40:09 i have had my battery completely die and be ok Jul 16 22:40:46 Macer: uhum. What's the precise meaning of that? Jul 16 22:41:25 you made it sound like the battery being completely drained will be difficult to recharge Jul 16 22:42:14 DocScrutinizer: well, you get to emergency charging Jul 16 22:42:17 DocScrutinizer: 32 minutes Jul 16 22:42:23 DocScrutinizer: system boots Jul 16 22:42:28 yes, but only with 100mA Jul 16 22:42:53 so 50mAh might be really small charge to revive a drained cell Jul 16 22:42:56 well, let me check Jul 16 22:43:10 30 mins @ 100mA isnt enough huh? Jul 16 22:43:36 The other issue is that when it hits the charge threhod - will it always come up cleanly Jul 16 22:44:08 Macer: largely depends. you may draw a >100mAh from a cell from say 3V5 to 3V0 Jul 16 22:44:20 hmm, nolo is charging as well Jul 16 22:44:58 DocScrutinizer: i see. figured it would be enough to start fast charging Jul 16 22:45:04 jacekowski: for charging it's irrelevant if the CPU is running NOLO or linux. from a hw POV running NOLO means system has booted Jul 16 22:45:06 by booting Jul 16 22:45:24 at what point does the fast charging take over during the boot? Jul 16 22:45:41 probably in NOLO, see jacekowski ^^ Jul 16 22:45:47 yeah, but nolo starts charging like after 0.1 after cpu starts Jul 16 22:46:13 still it needs to crank up the whole system to do that Jul 16 22:46:22 nah, CMT is dead Jul 16 22:46:27 display is dead Jul 16 22:46:28 so 0.1s is a loooong time for a weak cell Jul 16 22:46:37 haha Jul 16 22:47:13 needs to start fast charging 1 planck after poweron Jul 16 22:47:20 :) Jul 16 22:47:23 and if cell is below system Vlow threshold, no linux nor NOLO will get loaded, the whole system will refuse to start Jul 16 22:47:48 Macer: It's pretty hard to get a "completely drained" battery in normal situations Jul 16 22:47:57 not even for a plank duration Jul 16 22:48:24 ok, explain that to me... why doesn't the n900 have pure hardware charging, again? Jul 16 22:48:27 DocScrutinizer: there is always option b. get a nokia external battery charger Jul 16 22:48:38 The furthest I've managed has only required about 20 seconds of emergency charge before gaia booted the device Jul 16 22:48:42 and dont completely drain your battery Jul 16 22:48:55 ShadowJK: it actually is not as hard as you'd guess. There are several subsystems directly powered from Vbat, which might stay on and consuming when main system goes down ungracefully Jul 16 22:49:18 DocScrutinizer: and it will stay in emergency charge mode Jul 16 22:49:46 kerio, because typically you don't want hardware messing with the usb behind your back Jul 16 22:50:27 ShadowJK: pure charging from the original nokia charger, the one with the shorted pins, at least Jul 16 22:50:27 When the system is down, it's supposed to emergency charge entirely without software though, but as DocScrutinizer just discovered in the datasheet, the defaults are slooow :) Jul 16 22:50:54 kerio: it's charging at 100mA Jul 16 22:51:19 it could be charging at... 1100? Jul 16 22:51:23 maybe they should have kept the old charging style Jul 16 22:51:27 :) Jul 16 22:51:29 kerio: I just found it doesn't matter if original fastcharger or anything else Jul 16 22:51:36 Macer: they couldn't Jul 16 22:51:44 jacekowski: why? Jul 16 22:51:44 if that's really a bug in hw and not in datasheet Jul 16 22:51:46 kerio, when you discharge the battery that low, it's not a good idea to try cram that much down it anyway.. Jul 16 22:51:48 DocScrutinizer: well, in recovery mode Jul 16 22:51:53 Macer: microusb charging Jul 16 22:52:12 Macer: all manufacturers agreed that they will use microusb for charging Jul 16 22:52:25 jacekowski: they could have used both ;) Jul 16 22:52:32 ekhm Jul 16 22:52:41 Nokia E75 has both :) Jul 16 22:52:49 ShadowJK: ;) Jul 16 22:52:52 jacekowski: let's add two microusb ports Jul 16 22:52:55 And it has different hw for the microusb charging and for the 2mm charging.. Jul 16 22:53:04 jacekowski: well, agreed is not exactly the word :-P Jul 16 22:53:09 Totally different behaviour.. Jul 16 22:53:23 costs and space Jul 16 22:53:26 mostly space Jul 16 22:53:44 jacekowski: i would say mostly cost ;) Jul 16 22:54:02 say whatever you want Jul 16 22:54:11 i'm not listening anyways Jul 16 22:54:17 haha Jul 16 22:54:51 business is business .. money talks Jul 16 22:55:28 SmartQ has pretty awesome circuit for charging.. but it also comes with a gigantic psu (current-wise) :P Jul 16 22:55:30 well, who's got a lab PSU to probe VBUS current, and would be willing to discharge his battery to <3V, then check how much N900 draws in recovery charging mode? Jul 16 22:55:43 DocScrutinizer: i can Jul 16 22:55:50 DocScrutinizer: not today though Jul 16 22:55:53 why would the recovery charge only draw 100mA from usb but 500 from the fastcharger? Jul 16 22:55:53 monday Jul 16 22:55:54 np Jul 16 22:55:57 maybe tomorrow Jul 16 22:56:02 jacekowski: awesome Jul 16 22:56:38 but amount of current n900 sucked from power supply was quite amazing Jul 16 22:56:44 i had to set current limiter to 1A Jul 16 22:56:54 won't suffice Jul 16 22:57:00 well, it was enough Jul 16 22:57:04 you'll see burst of >2A Jul 16 22:57:12 worst case that is Jul 16 22:57:19 well, 1A was enough to boot it Jul 16 22:57:23 SmartQ has a chip that disconnects battery and switches system to run directly form PSU, and connects battery to charger chip and charger chip is connected to PSU.. so the PSU is powering the system directly, without battery for load balancing.. The charger chip can run entirely autonomously, because it's effectively only connected to the battery and in full control of what happens :) Jul 16 22:57:23 from battery Jul 16 22:57:51 smartq? Jul 16 22:57:59 chinese tablets Jul 16 22:58:31 and hmm, that the thing Jul 16 22:58:36 system booted Jul 16 22:58:43 from power supply Jul 16 22:58:47 with bsi disconnected Jul 16 22:58:47 is it a phone? if yes, how does it buffer above mentioned bursts? Jul 16 22:58:51 duh Jul 16 22:59:22 DocScrutinizer, it's not a phone, but it sometimes gets bundled with usb 2g/3g dongles Jul 16 22:59:25 jacekowski: err, please rephrase Jul 16 22:59:33 i had phone connected to power supply Jul 16 22:59:40 just positive and negative battery terminals Jul 16 22:59:44 and BSI left N/C Jul 16 22:59:48 does N900 support GSM Jul 16 22:59:56 luke-jr, yes Jul 16 22:59:56 luke-jr: it's a tablet Jul 16 22:59:58 err.. the audio codec I mean... Jul 16 23:00:01 luke-jr: for data? Jul 16 23:00:09 for SIP Jul 16 23:00:15 oh Jul 16 23:00:24 good q, no idea Jul 16 23:00:28 XR Jul 16 23:00:29 XD* Jul 16 23:00:29 dunno vOv Jul 16 23:00:36 * ShadowJK tests whether he can hibernate, change bios settings, thaw Jul 16 23:00:42 going back to bsi Jul 16 23:00:48 I was having very very poor call quality the other day Jul 16 23:00:53 with 3/3.5 G Jul 16 23:00:53 i had bsi disconnected and working system Jul 16 23:01:08 hmm Jul 16 23:01:12 strange Jul 16 23:01:13 so bme detects that battery is gone in some other way Jul 16 23:01:17 bme stopped? Jul 16 23:01:23 or Jul 16 23:01:25 hmm, Jul 16 23:01:31 maybe it compares bsi value Jul 16 23:01:41 from startup to current one Jul 16 23:01:44 My N810 boots without bsi too, but makes angry bing through speakers and pops up a dialog saying Not Charging :) Jul 16 23:01:44 probably it detects bat gone only while charging Jul 16 23:02:15 as it'd be rather pointless when running from battery anyway :-P Jul 16 23:03:16 but that indicates BSI is no temperature sensor or anything (except if it shorts to 0R on overtemp) Jul 16 23:03:37 * ShadowJK wonders if bq24150 retains settings down to 2.5V Jul 16 23:03:54 maybe only battery removal kills fastcharge then Jul 16 23:03:57 jacekowski, you have a beagle don't you? Jul 16 23:04:02 ShadowJK: I'd say yes, but lemme check Jul 16 23:04:26 i have giant schnauzer Jul 16 23:05:17 beagleboard lol Jul 16 23:05:38 ShadowJK: my idea of that is: you can not set anything in bq24150 registers that will survive a main system down, as watchdog is started on any I2C activity and expiring makes the chip do full reset Jul 16 23:06:43 bme has a habbit of putting it in charger disable, high z mode Jul 16 23:07:22 I wish the battery log thing worked better Jul 16 23:07:29 * luke-jr blames Python Jul 16 23:07:32 bme have some other nasty habits as well Jul 16 23:09:10 MohammadAG: yeah, i have a beagleboardf Jul 16 23:09:31 jacekowski, is it worth it, need to dump scratchbox for native ARM compilation Jul 16 23:09:35 luke-jr, batterygraph? Jul 16 23:09:41 it seems to be the only option Jul 16 23:09:44 luke-jr, battery-eye? Jul 16 23:09:46 plus it has a few neat extras Jul 16 23:09:56 it's slow Jul 16 23:10:01 too slow for compilation Jul 16 23:10:12 even the mX? Jul 16 23:10:15 ShadowJK: -eye Jul 16 23:10:16 chromium compilation would take ages Jul 16 23:10:32 ShadowJK: it only updates visibly when the charge/discharge rate changes Jul 16 23:10:42 i suppose qemu on fast computer would be faster Jul 16 23:10:55 jacekowski: just distcc Jul 16 23:11:08 luke-jr, I didn't know it calculated rates :) Jul 16 23:11:29 nvidia tegra Jul 16 23:13:06 But generally, when display is off system isn't updating the charge meter very often. Perhaps once every two hours. Only reliable way of getting a vaguely recent value is to have battery icon out of view, and then switch to desktop or something so that it becomes visible on the status area/systray again Jul 16 23:13:28 this applies to the maemo charge meter only, of course Jul 16 23:14:06 netmon gives pretty good realtime battery stats Jul 16 23:14:56 ShadowJK: it moves the right side, but doesn't draw a line until I turn off charge or turn on charge Jul 16 23:15:23 Oh I guess plugging and unplugging charge also updates :) Jul 16 23:16:03 (and if you accidentally trigger updates after charging, you can sometimes see the meter climbing several minutes after end of charge) Jul 16 23:16:15 ham5: netmon? eh Jul 16 23:16:19 damn net outage Jul 16 23:17:29 ShadowJK: netmon, great cmt diagnose tool Jul 16 23:17:33 we can and know how to access the hw fuel gauge chip anyway, which updates most of its ~two dozen registers every 5 secs or better Jul 16 23:17:45 maybe really reads bat voltage from modem Jul 16 23:17:52 + Jul 16 23:18:04 I didn't know we had netmon on n900 Jul 16 23:18:27 since a week or two Jul 16 23:18:49 even hildonized Jul 16 23:18:55 leaked or nokia? Jul 16 23:19:06 no real netmon Jul 16 23:19:20 just the standard thing Jul 16 23:19:25 via cellmo Jul 16 23:19:31 standard thing? Jul 16 23:19:40 cellid, dBm Jul 16 23:19:51 MNC Jul 16 23:19:56 such things Jul 16 23:19:59 no neughbour cells? Jul 16 23:20:06 nope :-( Jul 16 23:20:25 it fails on GSM for me :( Jul 16 23:21:01 wfm Jul 16 23:21:38 that's why i said "for me" Jul 16 23:22:08 So except for battery readings from cellmo side, there's no new info? Jul 16 23:22:21 No 3g timers? Jul 16 23:22:26 nope Jul 16 23:22:35 luke-jr: it support g729 Jul 16 23:22:45 trumee: nothing else does Jul 16 23:23:00 no T3212, no C1/C2, no neighbours Jul 16 23:23:02 luke-jr: hmm. my asterisk does. i have bought a license :) Jul 16 23:23:18 trumee: I don't use proprietary software. Jul 16 23:23:57 luke-jr: there is a free implementation of g729. not sure whether it will be legal in your country Jul 16 23:24:11 k, back to bq24150 sysfs driver specs... Jul 16 23:24:38 luke-jr: although g729 does eat up more cpu compared to pcmu/pcma on N900 Jul 16 23:26:17 luke-jr: http://groups.google.com/group/asterisk-g729 Jul 16 23:39:19 any of you ever tried hacking one of those Nokia headsets you get with their phones?. They have a mic as well as an earphone and a small remote to play/skip tracks?..I want to know what happens when I press a button to play/skip track..what signal pases into the 3.5mm jack Jul 16 23:40:32 i think it's standard Jul 16 23:42:38 http://pastebin.ca/1902110 peter40 Jul 16 23:44:47 hi everyone Jul 17 00:09:34 do freenode's servers run on iPhone 4s? Jul 17 00:09:38 sorry, couldn't resist Jul 17 00:13:47 good morning Jul 17 00:14:24 iphone4 freenode servers, now with free case! ;) Jul 17 00:14:58 MohammadAG: i guess someone death-gripped them Jul 17 00:15:11 xD Jul 17 00:23:36 (recover fast charge) same datasheet though tells explicitly >>(LOWV) the bq24150 resets all I2C registers with default values control through IC interface is lost (32 minute mode), the bq24150 resets all IC registers with default values and enable the charger with an input current limit dictated by the OTG pin voltage level until the host programs the I2C registers. During this period, the input current limit is 100 mA when the voltage Jul 17 00:23:38 level of OTG pin is low; while the input current limit is 500 mA when the voltage level of OTG pin is high.<< Default value for OTG_ENable is to ignore OTG pin nevertheless. The datasheet is faulty and probably the OTG_EN bit is just incorrect Jul 17 00:27:36 I'm confused. Jul 17 00:27:53 Are we saying that the datasheet is wrong, and nokia is right Jul 17 00:28:04 Or that the datasheet is wrong, and poor nokia was mislead. Jul 17 00:28:07 And hello raster! Jul 17 00:28:18 MOOO! Jul 17 00:28:22 MUHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Jul 17 00:28:26 i have internet! Jul 17 00:28:52 oooh poobum Jul 17 00:28:57 er Jul 17 00:28:58 i suspect my router is hitting its limits Jul 17 00:29:05 i hate it when that happens Jul 17 00:29:07 you have internet? Jul 17 00:29:10 i do Jul 17 00:29:13 :) Jul 17 00:29:14 finally Jul 17 00:29:22 just moved into home Jul 17 00:29:26 well neew apartment Jul 17 00:29:26 were you in the middle of a jungle Jul 17 00:29:28 SpeedEvil: I'm saying that datasheet is ambiguous and has both diametral different statements Jul 17 00:29:30 ah. ok Jul 17 00:29:38 Macer: almost. i was moving between countries Jul 17 00:29:40 :) Jul 17 00:29:48 ouch Jul 17 00:29:53 well Jul 17 00:29:55 ah Jul 17 00:29:59 at least internet is decent Jul 17 00:30:02 does the eu allow free flow of people? Jul 17 00:30:05 Macer: yes Jul 17 00:30:08 tho not as good as it should be Jul 17 00:30:08 Macer: largely Jul 17 00:30:27 Macer: any citezen of the EU can live and work in any EU country - generally - with few exceptions. Jul 17 00:30:29 ah ok. so a german can move to another eu country Jul 17 00:30:32 yes Jul 17 00:30:34 ah ok Jul 17 00:30:38 was curious Jul 17 00:30:41 89vs70m Jul 17 00:30:53 * raster ponders why upstream is slower Jul 17 00:31:20 Macer: if you are a memebr of the original eu nations - u have full freedom of movement Jul 17 00:31:24 as new members join Jul 17 00:31:29 SpeedEvil: I'd just claim a switched 1 vs 0 is a typo, while inserting the above quoted explanation by mistake is highly unlikely Jul 17 00:31:30 they "gain rights" over time Jul 17 00:31:46 so thier citizens at the start cant just move to any eu nation Jul 17 00:31:52 oh ok. :) Jul 17 00:31:56 but older eu nations can freely move there Jul 17 00:32:01 sounds fair Jul 17 00:32:04 eventually this "period" ends Jul 17 00:32:09 and they have full freedom of movement Jul 17 00:32:15 its to stop things Jul 17 00:32:22 like romania joining Jul 17 00:32:27 hahahaha Jul 17 00:32:32 And all the romanians decamping to france. Jul 17 00:32:34 no gypsies huh? Jul 17 00:32:36 then all the romanians running off to .de/.fr/.uk etc. to get better paying jobs Jul 17 00:32:39 and leaving romania empty Jul 17 00:32:43 ease the country in Jul 17 00:33:02 bring up their wages, standard of living closer to the eu average Jul 17 00:33:23 that is part of the idea behind allowing the "original members" free flow into the new states Jul 17 00:33:34 for them to bring their money, businesses etc. to help the new members Jul 17 00:33:35 etc. Jul 17 00:33:46 damn. is romania that bad? :) Jul 17 00:33:55 heh Jul 17 00:34:13 it's an example Jul 17 00:34:16 dont take it all literally Jul 17 00:34:17 :) Jul 17 00:34:35 sure sure ;) Jul 17 00:35:04 the development and wealth creation has worked very well for some new members :) Jul 17 00:35:15 im sure it has Jul 17 00:35:33 considering that new members are probably dirt poor ;) Jul 17 00:36:19 does england still use gbp or are they going to convert to euroes? Jul 17 00:36:33 GBP Jul 17 00:36:42 Euro is looking a bit shaky ATM Jul 17 00:36:52 isnt the gbp too? ;) Jul 17 00:36:56 There are no plans to switch to euro inthis parliament Jul 17 00:37:08 heh Jul 17 00:37:08 Macer: perhaps - but we don't have greece. Jul 17 00:37:14 heheheheh Jul 17 00:37:15 hahahaha Jul 17 00:37:20 cold blooded Jul 17 00:37:34 The current 'government' is dead against euro. Jul 17 00:37:39 what was the greek labor logo? Jul 17 00:37:54 rather die standing than die working? Jul 17 00:38:32 ah yes. the home of alexander the great. Jul 17 00:38:44 if only he could see what he helped to create Jul 17 00:38:58 The 'west' is going to be screwed in large ways if we don't _rapidly_ reduce our imports. Jul 17 00:39:04 Of both fuel and materials. Jul 17 00:39:09 living off fat Jul 17 00:39:11 gee SpeedEvil Jul 17 00:39:12 As well as purchased goods. Jul 17 00:39:15 just noticed? Jul 17 00:39:18 :) Jul 17 00:39:21 Naah Jul 17 00:39:24 SpeedEvil: if it wasnt for the germans... europe would be in deep poo Jul 17 00:39:27 been going on about this for a decade Jul 17 00:39:30 rethink infinite growth paradigm Jul 17 00:39:42 DocScrutinizer: hahahaha Jul 17 00:39:46 it's perverted Jul 17 00:39:54 China and india and ... are _rapidly_ going to upskill, and go upmarket Jul 17 00:40:06 It'd be interesting if Germany & co break away to make "northern euro" currency along with other exporting euro countries Jul 17 00:40:12 SpeedEvil: because they have cheap labor Jul 17 00:40:20 If we're competing for them for nescessities at that time - heat and iron - we're screwed. Jul 17 00:40:59 there is always the unforseen variable Jul 17 00:41:14 such as a scientific breakthrough ;) Jul 17 00:41:33 Why I've advocated the UK needs to build more nuclear plants - grow the electricity sector some 20*, and put _all_ oil into road transport, with all of the fixed loads on nuclear. Jul 17 00:41:45 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23301604@N07/4764273405/ Jul 17 00:42:03 And massive energy efficiency programs. Jul 17 00:42:13 SpeedEvil: i'd say that's sensible Jul 17 00:42:22 I have doubleglazing! Jul 17 00:42:27 It was installed in 1870 :/ Jul 17 00:42:27 places like china, india and so on have massive govt projects to build infra. Jul 17 00:42:31 or thereabouts Jul 17 00:42:32 If you give people 'free' 10 grand energy efficiency upgrades of their houses - it pays - as a country - in relatively short amounts of time. Jul 17 00:42:33 the west is just wallowing along Jul 17 00:42:39 patching up shit that stops working Jul 17 00:42:44 thats about it Jul 17 00:43:07 As you need to import less fuel/oil - and your economy needs to work less hard to export stuff to pay for that oil Jul 17 00:43:13 that sort of stuff Jul 17 00:43:16 if all of europe went nuclear - it'd end up a big win in 30 years Jul 17 00:43:33 yeah Jul 17 00:43:34 the west has lived mostly off marginal efficiency gains Jul 17 00:43:44 And outsourcing Jul 17 00:43:52 if all of europe went nuclear.... we'd have a huge sheet of glass :D Jul 17 00:43:53 china/india etc. can grow massive amounts as their current baseline is so low Jul 17 00:44:05 wventually they will face the same problem as the "developed world" Jul 17 00:44:19 but... they will have 10x the people Jul 17 00:44:21 And at that point - the global economy gets 'level' Jul 17 00:44:28 I think natural resources will run out before that point :P Jul 17 00:44:40 ShadowJK: Well... I'd call bullshit on that. Jul 17 00:44:40 SpeedEvil: south america, africa. Jul 17 00:44:43 dont forget them Jul 17 00:44:43 :) Jul 17 00:44:58 africa will be the last to get their arse into gear Jul 17 00:45:08 south america has big possibilities Jul 17 00:45:15 especially brazil Jul 17 00:45:21 ShadowJK: You can't generalise from now past technology step-changes. Jul 17 00:46:06 ShadowJK: For example - with not _too_ much sacrifice - I can have all my entertainment and computing needs met by something costing say 300 quid, and using 40W of power. Jul 17 00:46:38 ShadowJK: If you were to try to predict how much energy that would consume based on its capabilities in 1940 - you just can't do it. Jul 17 00:47:25 Well, if only filling the needs was sufficient, but everyone is trying to keep up with the jones's, or however the expression goes :P Jul 17 00:47:33 Sure. Jul 17 00:47:48 But at some point stuff gets good enough that people don't care. Jul 17 00:48:07 And that's the point you need to hit as a society to not have percieved depravation. Jul 17 00:48:20 priv Jul 17 00:49:44 There is also disruptive technology that does not use more power or materials to do something - but just does it differently. Jul 17 00:49:49 http://biteonit.com/2010/02/17/keeping-your-scouring-sponge-last-longer/ Jul 17 00:49:51 err Jul 17 00:50:00 http://www.skytran.net/phpsite/home/Home%20Intro.php Jul 17 00:50:06 the former isn't very disruptive Jul 17 00:50:47 But the latter idea is basically ultralight 1 person monorail cars, running packet switched networks of people at high non-stop speeds. Jul 17 00:51:01 With a dense network on lightpole-like structures Jul 17 00:51:05 the first link is though. its disruptive to the scouring sponge industry Jul 17 00:51:14 Well - yes. Jul 17 00:51:24 shame on you Jul 17 00:51:28 Though my habit of simply throwing them in the washing machine is too. Jul 17 00:51:31 :p Jul 17 00:51:34 Which works well for me. Jul 17 00:58:06 On anotehr topic. Jul 17 00:58:11 http://gadgetcrave.com/bullet-headphones-are-pretty-creepy/7529/ Jul 17 01:05:14 haha Jul 17 01:05:29 gold plated? Jul 17 01:07:42 they could make them solid gold for that price Jul 17 01:08:32 I have considered making a pair of headphones with a gold lead Jul 17 01:09:02 .05mm or so gold wire isn't that expensive and has the benefit that it does not undergo work-hardening and fracturing Jul 17 01:15:55 hello Jul 17 01:16:09 is there a way to get a full version of perl in meamo? Jul 17 01:25:27 rdesfo, apt-get install perl Jul 17 01:27:01 * peb is gone. Gone since Thu Jul 15 08:27:00 2010 Jul 17 01:42:24 SpeedEvil, disruptive tech alright - those damn sponges are evil Jul 17 01:42:59 :) Jul 17 01:44:32 Hi. How come nokia-maps doesn't open a new window if I manually call it with the san Jul 17 01:44:46 same parameters as specified in its desktop file* Jul 17 01:44:50 ? Jul 17 01:46:37 FireFly|n900, not sure, what command line is it expecting Jul 17 01:47:00 Exec=/usr/bin/nokia-maps /usr/share/nokia-maps/html/index.html Jul 17 01:47:32 Actually, it seems to be fully made in JavaScript Jul 17 01:47:44 Which is what I find interesting Jul 17 01:49:50 huh, cute FireFly|n900 - it thinks its running Jul 17 01:50:09 Hm? Jul 17 01:50:20 Hm Jul 17 01:50:39 FireFly|n900, try starting it with osso dbus doofer perhaps Jul 17 01:50:50 dont ask me how, its late i have toothache Jul 17 01:51:27 All right :) Jul 17 01:51:40 I should probably sleep anyway Jul 17 01:52:36 Nighty Jul 17 02:01:28 Hi Jul 17 02:09:10 Does sygic maps obtained through Ovi Shop have a package name? I want to remove it, but there's nothing I can apt-get remove. Jul 17 02:10:06 mobile-maps9 I think Jul 17 02:10:08 or similar Jul 17 02:10:37 MohammadAG: of course, "mobile" should have searched, ty Jul 17 02:11:26 apt-cache search sygic Jul 17 02:11:28 worked pretty good too Jul 17 02:11:31 it's mobile-maps Jul 17 02:12:09 ShadowJK: you're right, I fail :(, thanks for humouring me Jul 17 02:12:38 sudo apt-get remove `apt-cache sygic`, so good Jul 17 02:26:30 oops, to be a bit more precise sudo apt-get remove: `apt-cache sygic | sed 's/ - *//g'` Jul 17 02:26:42 - the : **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 17 02:59:56 2010