**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 17 02:59:56 2010 Jul 17 05:29:19 'Evening Jul 17 05:37:20 'Morning :) Jul 17 05:39:05 * jaem is planning to get one of these: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/images/8/89/EZ430-Chronos.png Jul 17 05:39:18 it's a devkit in a watch, with wireless, and all manner of fun! Jul 17 05:40:29 * nextime is fighting with a custom pic based circuit with a won't working triac Jul 17 05:45:42 :( Jul 17 05:45:47 What sort of PIC? Jul 17 05:47:04 Word of Warning - I just received a notice on my N900 that there was an update available for Angry Birds. I foolishly installed it, and now I can't play the levels I purchased a few weeks ago. Only the free levels can be played after the update. Jul 17 05:48:33 Woohoo Jul 17 05:48:36 :/ Jul 17 05:50:06 jaem: pic18f67j60 Jul 17 05:51:00 anyway, i'm starting to think that it is a broken triac Jul 17 05:52:04 nextime, Is that the one with Ethernet capabilities, or am I misremembering? Jul 17 05:52:08 It's been a while... Jul 17 05:52:14 jaem : yep Jul 17 05:52:50 jaem : i'm developing a series of boards pic based with relays, triacs, rfid, and many other things Jul 17 05:53:00 for an home automation system Jul 17 05:53:12 and i don't use the common serial bus system Jul 17 05:53:17 but all is ethernet based Jul 17 05:54:11 ( ethernet or wifi ) Jul 17 05:55:45 now i'm working on the first "dimmer" prototype, with a triac to modulate the AC power, but the triac won't start Jul 17 05:56:11 and i'm starting to think that i'm so unlucky today to have a boken (new) triac on the prototype Jul 17 05:56:48 as the circuit seems to be correct at the oscilloscope, but i can't get any power in output on the high power line Jul 17 05:57:29 anyway, i'm a bit OT here :) Jul 17 06:01:21 nextime, meh... when it's dead on the channel, people usually do get OT. If nobody cares, feel free. :) Jul 17 06:03:36 * RST38h moos evilly Jul 17 06:04:43 * jaem tips RST38h over Jul 17 06:27:18 new ubkeyboard seems doesnt support persian Jul 17 06:27:43 how to install older version? Jul 17 06:28:14 nextime: isn't it expensive to build an ethernet interface into each board? Jul 17 06:32:33 *ukeyboard Jul 17 06:32:49 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/u/ukeyboard/ Jul 17 06:33:16 what version supports persian/arabic? Jul 17 06:39:26 GCC 4.4 takes forever to build on 330 MHz ARM (OMAP2, N810) Jul 17 06:41:06 so... symbian 4 Jul 17 06:41:10 wtf, nokia Jul 17 06:47:05 Symbian cannot be allowed to fail. Jul 17 06:47:17 Too many people are getting their salaries by working on it =) Jul 17 06:48:24 those people should really move to meego Jul 17 06:48:27 ;) Jul 17 06:48:45 kerio: MeeGo isn't a phone platform Jul 17 06:48:53 Symbian is Nokia's phone platform Jul 17 06:49:02 oh right, tablet Jul 17 06:49:02 nvm then Jul 17 06:49:02 :D Jul 17 06:49:51 Meego is a mobile computer platform, hehehehe Jul 17 06:50:01 symbian4 looks quite tablet-y to me though Jul 17 06:50:42 Well, they are trying to copy whatever Maemo/Meego is doing, to show that they are no worse Jul 17 06:52:06 hey, wikipedia says that meego 1.1 will support aava and n900 with the handset ux Jul 17 06:52:06 nice Jul 17 06:52:28 If wikipedia says so, it must be true... Jul 17 06:52:33 * RST38h cackles Jul 17 06:52:59 hey now, don't destroy all my hopes Jul 17 07:15:26 ~flashing Jul 17 07:15:27 somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jul 17 07:34:29 COMBINED flashing images don't contain the MMC image do they? Jul 17 07:34:39 http://wstaw.org/m/2010/07/17/20100717_001.jpg <| need some ice? Jul 17 07:47:29 where are the packet data counters in n900? Jul 17 07:49:45 I'm roaming and I received a note about having used 10MB in the network Jul 17 07:50:00 but can't find the counter Jul 17 07:50:22 MiXu-: you need to install one, don't you? Jul 17 07:50:39 oh, ok Jul 17 07:50:47 1 Jul 17 07:50:51 will do, thanks :) Jul 17 07:52:09 there is always /proc/net/dev , but these counters reset only on reboot Jul 17 07:56:54 for crying out loud, the American media landscape is so bloody lame Jul 17 08:00:22 RST38h : no, it isn't expensive as common used home automation systems needs a mcu in every device, i add ethernet, yes, but i have 1 board every 12+12 devices :) Jul 17 08:02:19 RST38h: at the end i can build an home automation system with a lot of more features that the ones you can find today on the market at about 1/3 of the price Jul 17 08:03:01 the only bad side is that i need to have a structured data network cabling ( or to use wifi ) Jul 17 08:03:31 nextime: what's the point, though? Jul 17 08:04:08 crashanddie : sorry it was an answer to a question RST38h ask me about 2 hours ago Jul 17 08:04:10 :) Jul 17 08:04:36 nextime: if I understand it correctly, you're talking about domotics appliances (controlling your house with your computers) Jul 17 08:04:53 crashanddie : something like this, yes Jul 17 08:05:17 crashanddie : i'm working in developing some microchip PIC based boards for a domotic system Jul 17 08:05:33 I mean, marketing has told me all about the green advantage, how it allows you to save power, have effective modeling of your house, and understand where you are losing power, and a friend of mine showed me how he played tetris with an old building, by lighting up rooms. But what's in between those, where's the benefit for me? Jul 17 08:09:30 crashanddie : there are a lot of other things to be considered, like, just for few examples, you can control your home from remote ( have you closed the methane before to exit? there are lighting in the sky, have you close all the windows? ), alarm integrated system, you can answer to the citophone from remote, you can auto-dimm some things if you are close to the power limit consumption, and also safety things for old people, or videosurveillance/cit Jul 17 08:10:21 well, I can see how that can be interesting for a company, but hardly for consumers. Jul 17 08:10:23 crashanddie : also, you can have a button for a light do more than one function ( double click, long click ), and move button function from one to another button when you want if you need to Jul 17 08:11:04 crashanddie : also, you can use your n900 amazin phone to open control all the functions of your home just from the web browser... Jul 17 08:11:05 :D Jul 17 08:11:28 i was able to ssh into my n900 from my machine running ubuntu lucid earlier,but now im unable to ping 192.168.2.15 Jul 17 08:11:40 i have done rootsh ifup usb0 on my device Jul 17 08:11:54 and also sudo ifup usb0 on my pc Jul 17 08:11:59 I mean, unless we start thinking differently about power consumption, even the best of devices won't make us more economical. And if you live in a rough neighbourhood, slapping gadgets to doors and windows isn't going to change anything; if anything, it's just jailbait. Jul 17 08:12:09 any way to fix this ? Jul 17 08:12:23 crashanddie : in my personal opinion, the "green" part is the less interesting Jul 17 08:12:44 as the way to be green isn't to reduce consume Jul 17 08:12:52 but to get energy in a better way Jul 17 08:12:58 of course this is my personal opinion Jul 17 08:13:09 nextime: and with regards to forgetting the gas (by the way, no-one uses methane for heating/cooking), well, that's not a very interesting argument. I've lived in at least 5 houses where we used gas, and we always invested in devices that didn't need to be turned off for risk of leakage rather than having to look after it constantlu Jul 17 08:13:16 timrw: i was never able to ping my n900 over usb0 or obtain/serve dhcp over that link, but normal tcp connections were fine Jul 17 08:13:33 crashanddie : here everyone use methane for heating/cooking Jul 17 08:14:15 nextime: oh, indeed, my bad Jul 17 08:14:42 crashanddie : and even if you have good and safe gas device Jul 17 08:15:11 it is better to close the primary gas switch if you go out for days, as there are conducture that can have lose of gas Jul 17 08:15:20 yes nextime, invent a reactor that can suck CO2 and Water and make combustible hydro-carbons Jul 17 08:15:33 odin_ : it isn't needed Jul 17 08:15:39 nextime: I remain unconvinced, but appreciate your enthusiasm Jul 17 08:15:41 odin_ : my house is 0 emission Jul 17 08:15:47 but i consume a LOT of energy Jul 17 08:16:07 so you've got solar pannels and windmills all over the place? Jul 17 08:16:16 nextime, well I suppose it depends what you classify as an emission! Jul 17 08:16:25 odin_: he never farts :D Jul 17 08:16:29 odin_ : i have ~ 9KW of power with solar panels on the roof, and geothermic system for hot water Jul 17 08:16:36 nextime, loud music and strange smells might count, ha ha Jul 17 08:16:45 so, all the energy i use at home is "green" Jul 17 08:17:04 nextime: why not use endothermic panels for water heating, too? Jul 17 08:17:22 crashanddie : i don't know what endothermic panels are Jul 17 08:17:36 crashanddie : they are solar thermic panels? Jul 17 08:17:41 yes Jul 17 08:17:46 nextime, green means that your net chemical change is zero sum, if its not then you are consuming and producing something, even if those somethings are better than what everyone else is doing, but good luck to your "green living" Jul 17 08:17:55 crashanddie : cause i don't have more space on the roof Jul 17 08:17:56 :) Jul 17 08:17:59 shame Jul 17 08:18:09 and cause geothermic work even on the night / in winter Jul 17 08:18:19 nextime: endothermic panels have a much better yield than anything photovoltaic at the moment Jul 17 08:18:20 so, it is more efficace Jul 17 08:18:48 crashanddie : yes, but for elecrticity i don't have an alternative to photovoltaic, for hot water i can use geothermic Jul 17 08:18:57 where do you live? Jul 17 08:19:02 crashanddie : north italy Jul 17 08:19:21 nextime, how much snow do you get in north italy ? are in you in the alps ? Jul 17 08:19:36 odin_ : close to the alps, about 40cm every winter Jul 17 08:20:13 -4/-8 degrees in winter, +32 in summer Jul 17 08:20:26 nextime: how many square meters of panels do you have on your house? Jul 17 08:20:32 crashanddie : 120mq Jul 17 08:20:45 how much did you invest? Jul 17 08:20:55 pics? Jul 17 08:21:07 crashanddie : about 60000euro for photovoltaic, about 34000 euro for geothermic Jul 17 08:21:24 lmao Jul 17 08:21:29 100 grand of power production? Jul 17 08:21:29 crashanddie : not yet online, but i will put a lot of photos soon Jul 17 08:21:38 I call BS Jul 17 08:21:57 You have to be an idiot to put that much money into 1 house. Jul 17 08:22:17 crashanddie : we have economic convenience, i've invested 60000 euro for photovoltaic, but the governament assure me to pay about 120000 euros in 20 years cause i have those things Jul 17 08:22:34 (especially considering that 100 grand of power is an outragous amount of power). So you won't have a positive carbon footprint for the next 300 years. Jul 17 08:22:45 crashanddie : cause of incenptive for kioto agreement Jul 17 08:23:46 anyway, 'later Jul 17 08:24:06 crashanddie : for the thrut, i don't pay anything, a bank give me all the money and i pay the bank with the first 10 years of incemptive, the latest 10 years i get money for me from the state Jul 17 08:24:07 :D Jul 17 08:24:25 ok, time to go out, i need to wash my car Jul 17 08:24:25 bye Jul 17 08:24:56 well I wish such green energy worked higher up in the alps just above 1500m nr Gyron Swisserland Jul 17 08:26:43 well, a lot can change and government can decide to don't give you anything Jul 17 08:26:57 and you will be left with a credit Jul 17 08:27:17 yeah I see that risk too Jul 17 08:34:01 using N909, I am connected to my home network using wifi, but I can not ssh to any computer Jul 17 08:34:37 what's the make and model of your router? Jul 17 08:36:06 it is a tilgin. Jul 17 08:38:44 smhar try pinging your router and while it does the ping requests try ssh .. works for me because the connection is idle otherwise Jul 17 08:39:29 i have modified /etc/fstab on my N900, but every time it boots up, my changes on fstab will be discard!! Jul 17 08:39:58 it seems that it is autogenerated when booting Jul 17 08:40:25 but not too smarty! Jul 17 08:41:32 it does not detect format for internal memory and assumes vfat Jul 17 09:12:19 im unable to ping 192.168.2.15 from my machine running ubuntu lucid Jul 17 09:12:35 i can ping 192.168.2.14 from an x-term on my phone Jul 17 09:12:55 any way to resolve this ? Jul 17 09:13:18 i was able to ping my phone earlier Jul 17 09:13:27 for some reason its not working now Jul 17 09:13:36 what could be the problem ? Jul 17 09:16:13 so is the problem on the Maemo side or host side? Jul 17 09:16:33 althought this is not a host or ubuntu support channel, maybe if you could explain what is on what IP Jul 17 09:16:48 and what pings work and what pings dont Jul 17 09:16:50 192.168.2.15 is the phone and 192.168.2.14 is the pc Jul 17 09:17:03 im able to ping 192.168.2.14 from my phone Jul 17 09:17:16 but not the other way round Jul 17 09:17:40 and there is only a switch between them ? or a wlan or a router ? does the router firewall the wlan in anyway ? Jul 17 09:17:55 they are connected by a usb cable Jul 17 09:18:04 i have done rootsh ifup usb0 on the phone Jul 17 09:18:12 and sudo ifup usb0 on my pc Jul 17 09:18:37 odin_: it's usbnet, no routing Jul 17 09:18:40 for example commercial routers such as cisco would assign wlan a lower security status, which means you can't by default originate packets from a lower security interface (ie. the WLAN) to send to the higher security interface (the LAN) without a firewall rule to allow it Jul 17 09:18:44 timrw: just reboot the phone Jul 17 09:18:52 timrw: then do a ifup usb0 again Jul 17 09:18:54 crashanddie: k,ill try that Jul 17 09:20:38 does your Ubuntu connect directly to the internet and provide NAT for a LAN ? Jul 17 09:22:21 i rebooted, and did rootsh ifup usb0 again, but still unable to ping 192.168.2.15 from my pc Jul 17 09:22:40 if i do ifconfig on the phone,it shows usb0 as the interface Jul 17 09:22:56 do you have any firewall rules on PC host in place ? "iptables -L -nv" and "iptables -t nat -L -nv" will list Jul 17 09:24:04 maybe you need a generic "-i usb+" and/or "-o usb+" rule to pass data Jul 17 09:24:34 odin_: there is no firewall, as it was all working earlier, i was able to ping and also ssh into my phone Jul 17 09:24:47 my /etc/network/interfaces file : http://pastie.org/1048381 Jul 17 09:24:58 that is on my pc Jul 17 09:25:16 thats a ubuntu config, no idea what it should look like myself Jul 17 09:25:27 crashanddie, any news on neopwn? Jul 17 09:25:39 i had followed the steps given on http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/QuickStartGuide#Enabling_USB_networking Jul 17 09:25:45 to enable usb networking Jul 17 09:26:02 ~usbnetworking Jul 17 09:26:09 infobot, screw you Jul 17 09:26:09 and it was working..but today morning i checked, i was unable to ping the phone Jul 17 09:26:10 * infobot asks you to bend over Jul 17 09:26:15 o_O Jul 17 09:26:25 MohammadAG51: nope Jul 17 09:27:04 crashanddie, hmm, vaporware? Jul 17 09:27:11 starting to look like it Jul 17 09:27:39 timrw, http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_networking Jul 17 09:27:40 though sometimes I do have headers coming back from the website Jul 17 09:27:50 i get the title too Jul 17 09:28:00 so I dunno Jul 17 09:28:02 MohammadAG51: i had followed those steps earlier and it was working Jul 17 09:29:13 MohammadAG51: i had configured my /etc/network/interfaces file as given on that page Jul 17 09:29:19 anything else that can be done ? Jul 17 09:29:58 not sure, ISP using 192.168.2.15 so i can't test Jul 17 09:30:42 192.168.2.15 is the ip of the usb interface on my phone Jul 17 09:32:12 yeah, that's why it'd conflict Jul 17 09:33:57 DocScrutinizer: I made a blog after creating a successful demo of the python web server + qt quick app case. http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2010/07/qml-photoviewer-demo-on-n900-with-data.html Jul 17 09:34:33 isn't a web server in python piss easy? Jul 17 09:34:36 MohammadAG51: ifconfig on my pc : http://pastie.org/1048385 Jul 17 09:34:41 re:100k is too much for a house - er... why? Jul 17 09:35:19 crashanddie: python -c "import SimpleHTTPServer as s; s.test()" Jul 17 09:35:35 MohammadAG51: any conflict ? Jul 17 09:36:12 kerio: investing 100k worth of energy in a house? You can power said house for 300 years. And I doubt the equipment will last that long Jul 17 09:36:51 yeah, but where that energy comes from? Jul 17 09:36:58 who cares? Jul 17 09:37:14 apparently, some people *do* Jul 17 09:37:41 I'm sorry, but the carbon footprint of building 100 grand worth of energy equipment is a lot worse than using the infrastructure that's already there Jul 17 09:37:50 and especially italy, where nuclear power isn't unknown Jul 17 09:38:09 (and even more so northern italy, that has direct pipes coming from france) Jul 17 09:39:23 hey everyone! Jul 17 09:39:37 D-Iivil_Work: are you here? Jul 17 09:40:55 kerio: in other words: all the fake green idiots can kiss my white hairy ass. If you're going to be green, at least be logical about it. But allegedly blasting 100k worth of equipment for one single house is just plain stupid, obnoxious and ridiculous -- and against everything green, if I might add. Jul 17 09:41:02 crashanddie: yeah, it's piss easy. Which is why I did it. Binding it to tracker is also piss easy. Putting it to create atom feed from tracker contents is also easy. I don't have time for difficult problems. Jul 17 09:41:34 konttori: sure Jul 17 09:42:13 kerio: the guy was talking about domotics, then said he didn't care about the green benefits, and then started gloating about his green house Jul 17 09:42:40 first he says he wants to create the cheapest alternative around, but then says he blasted 100k on it? Wait, what? Jul 17 09:42:59 If you blast 100k on solar panels, you don't really care about buying 10 $80 adapters, or paying $40 for them. Jul 17 09:43:20 it's... his house Jul 17 09:43:28 100k is not that much Jul 17 09:43:37 no it's not, he's a liar and a twat Jul 17 09:44:06 and the state will pay for it, for the most part Jul 17 09:44:19 yeah, so the other people are Jul 17 09:44:22 so I say fuck that Jul 17 09:44:41 anyway, I'm done with this discussion Jul 17 09:45:20 kerio: France is going to vote its budget reform where they are pulling out of all the eco-friendly green funds and grants. Jul 17 09:45:52 which effectively means the trippling of the cost of a solar panel Jul 17 09:46:21 it won't be tax deductible anymore, it'll be like buying anything else Jul 17 09:46:28 too bad for them? Jul 17 09:46:36 well, I live there ;) Jul 17 09:46:55 it also means that the solar industry will die pretty rapidly over here Jul 17 09:47:21 it just goes to show how important the government thinks it is Jul 17 09:48:05 well, the government is always right, isn't it Jul 17 09:48:30 far from it, but this is one of the few sane decisions they've made in the past 20 years Jul 17 09:49:53 anyway, going to the beach Jul 17 09:49:54 'later Jul 17 10:01:38 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/8515/nuvofre_1.10_all.deb new versio of nuvofre in case somebody is interested. Jul 17 10:02:08 nuvofre? Jul 17 10:03:56 theme Jul 17 10:04:23 blog post with screenshots now here http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2010/07/nuvofre-110.html Jul 17 10:05:12 after switching to the theme, you need to restart device to get font colors right Jul 17 10:05:56 that's a nice theme Jul 17 10:11:38 * MohammadAG wonders how TV-out works Jul 17 10:13:55 kerio: thanks Jul 17 10:15:30 is there a way to disable the opening of the camera when you open the... camera? Jul 17 10:19:47 kerio, yeah, break it Jul 17 10:19:51 worksforme Jul 17 10:32:30 kerio: thats my question too! Jul 17 10:33:24 kerio: for example when opening the camera cover to user flashlight (not to user camera!) Jul 17 10:33:32 *to use Jul 17 10:34:48 use the not user :P Jul 17 10:35:13 nevermind, i was too slow Jul 17 10:37:56 or, when opening the camera for using with some other application than the builtin camera app.. Jul 17 10:40:23 Hi. Does there exists any program/app for Meamo5/N900 to preload maps? Looks like there is a some sort of cache in ~/.maps. So any nice way to manage that cache? Jul 17 10:46:40 Zucca: yes you can preload maps Jul 17 10:46:46 ilius: I think it should be like, you should be able to apply flashlight from menu, then if you open the camera lens cover it wouldn't laung camera app but flashlight app instead. Jul 17 10:46:59 *launch Jul 17 10:47:28 asj_: How? Except just browsing maps with map app... Jul 17 10:47:53 Zucca: google it, shoujld pop up right at the top Jul 17 10:48:33 Zucca: i cant find flashlight in the app list Jul 17 10:49:18 Zucca: and when the cover is close, the flashlight option does not exist in battery/clock menu Jul 17 10:50:22 ilius: Hm then you have the different app than what I have. But anyways: What I meant is that it should work that way but it does not at he moment. I hope someone will update flashlight app to work that way. :) Jul 17 10:50:43 Ah. So you have the same app. Jul 17 10:51:35 Basically there shoud be a button in the menu that would change the app that will be launched on cover open. Jul 17 10:52:03 Change from camera app to flashlight app in this case. Jul 17 10:52:22 cool http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58631 Jul 17 10:52:23 Zucca: i installed package "flashlight" from application manager, but did not added to the "More" in applications Jul 17 10:52:47 ilius, it goes into the status bar, open camera lens, close cam app, open status bar and you'll find it Jul 17 10:54:05 MohammadAG: yes i do the same, but there should be an option that not to open camera when i open lens Jul 17 10:54:12 MohammadAG: That's the way i work now. What we would like to see is the flashlight button apper in menu even if the cover is closed. Then if you have already pressed the flashlight button it would lauch flashlight app instead of camera app. Jul 17 10:54:26 *it works Jul 17 10:54:36 well my camera doesn't start so I'm not too bothered about it :P Jul 17 10:54:54 test Jul 17 10:55:15 MohammadAG: :D Jul 17 10:55:21 MohammadAG: but how? is there an option? Jul 17 10:55:33 MohammadAG: :-D Jul 17 10:55:37 no, it says audio in use by another application if I try to start it Jul 17 10:55:54 a reflash would fix it, but... cba Jul 17 10:55:55 MohammadAG: lol Jul 17 10:56:07 too many mods to / to do it Jul 17 10:56:28 MohammadAG: tow problems fix together Jul 17 10:56:49 *two Jul 17 10:57:21 well, I'd have to restore mce, transitions (or what I left of those), boot menu entries for ubuntu, kernels, /root files, and worst of all, apps Jul 17 10:57:43 bbl Jul 17 10:59:23 x0WvRmc That's nice. Although ctrl backspace does the same but it's not possible when keyboard is slided in. Jul 17 10:59:32 Oh man. Paste fail. Jul 17 10:59:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuL-x0WvRmc There you go. Jul 17 11:02:40 hi guys. FYI it looks like the security certificate of bugs.maemo.org expired today. Jul 17 11:07:06 Do you guys know what's the voltage range that N900 can accept when charging? Jul 17 11:07:39 x-fade, ^^ Jul 17 11:09:04 I had a though one day to build a battery pack containing six AA batteries (two in parallel, three in series) that would produce 4,5 as output voltage... Jul 17 11:09:59 *thought Jul 17 11:10:08 Damn typos. Jul 17 11:11:46 Zucca: do you want the pack so that you cancharge the original battery? Jul 17 11:12:58 kpel: Yes. Because changing N900 is pita and you'd have to turn off the device while changing it. Jul 17 11:13:10 +battery Jul 17 11:14:17 Zucca: will the battery pack have enough capacity to fill the N900 battery? Jul 17 11:14:44 kpel: Easily. Jul 17 11:14:58 At least 4000mAh. Jul 17 11:15:23 But minus the energy consumed on charging process. Jul 17 11:16:17 I just need to know what the voltage rande N900 accept the charging input. Jul 17 11:17:00 interesting. i don't know about the voltage though. Perhaps you could try with 4V first? Jul 17 11:18:03 impossible. Jul 17 11:18:17 AA batteries have 1,5 voltage Jul 17 11:18:30 Combining those cannot archieve 4 volts. Jul 17 11:18:58 I've read that USB voltage is 4,5 to 5. Jul 17 11:19:40 By the standard I mean. But I wonder if N900 has larger voltage range to accept. Jul 17 11:22:14 no idea. i only noticed that it takes much more time to charge the N900 from a USB port than from a charger connected to the mains Jul 17 11:22:46 the current is probably higher in the mains case, i don't know about the voltage. Jul 17 11:22:57 Chager can give 1.2A while standard USB can give 0.5A. Jul 17 11:24:26 I've actually got alerts few times that USB port cannot give enough power for my N900 while I was doing someting with it (heavy apps running). Jul 17 11:31:10 How does one change language in Pdgin? Jul 17 11:31:37 *Pidgin Jul 17 11:32:06 Naturally on maemo platform. Jul 17 11:42:07 i installed a thing that fits in a floppy disk slot and provides a usb port (and some card readers), and that port won't charge the n900 Jul 17 11:42:37 (which is stupid, because it really should just pass half of the USB header it connects to straight through to the port) Jul 17 11:45:43 anybody used a car charger that doesn't constantly work itself loose? Jul 17 11:45:52 Zucca: the voltage should be the USB one, but you need to short a couple of pins for the phone to accept the 1.1A, like the wallcharger Jul 17 11:46:12 i'm not sure if you should do that, a pack of AA batteries being what it is, but still Jul 17 12:00:16 Zucca: Vbus as of bq24150 charger chip: 4.0V..? other components ?..5.5V Jul 17 12:01:13 Zucca: but Vbus needs to be >Vbat, so you'll need >4.3V to completely charge battery Jul 17 12:03:02 So it might so that when the batteries are about 50% full their voltage isn't enough anymore... :| Jul 17 12:03:16 Zucca: but what means >>Because changing N900 is pita and you'd have to turn off the device while changing it.< To change the internal battery... Jul 17 12:04:03 ??? Jul 17 12:04:27 I explained it wrong :) Jul 17 12:05:05 To change the N900 bateery you have to turn it off. Abd it's hard to open the back cover. Jul 17 12:05:55 you mean to charge the BL-5J in external charger you have to remove it from device? that's self evident Jul 17 12:06:46 you don't need to turn it off actually :)a Jul 17 12:06:48 er Jul 17 12:06:49 :) Jul 17 12:06:54 you might be interested in my posting: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=740422#post740422 Jul 17 12:07:12 hit thanks button if you really are :-D Jul 17 12:11:16 DocScrutinizer: huh... i didn't switch off the cellmo Jul 17 12:11:18 when i tried Jul 17 12:11:21 with no battery Jul 17 12:12:46 kerio: modem does conume ~4..7mA while in standby, and an occasional up to >2A when cell handover, or T3212-timeout and re-registration happens Jul 17 12:13:04 so entirely up to your luck if it works or not Jul 17 12:13:08 i see Jul 17 12:14:23 see prev posting of mine in same thread Jul 17 12:15:49 kerio: of course also data transfer over GPRS will massively ramp up power consumption of modem Jul 17 12:16:07 DocScrutinizer: hmm... if you shut down the modem, can you suspend to ram and just use the backup battery? Jul 17 12:16:24 simply spoken you don't want modem to start transmit while no battery Jul 17 12:16:53 kerio: backup battery is for RTC only, it can't be used for ram keep alive Jul 17 12:16:58 aw Jul 17 12:16:58 :( Jul 17 12:18:02 (is there a way to properly turn off wifi? or you can just ignore it as long as there's no autoconnect?) Jul 17 12:18:09 http://www.observer.com/2010/wall-street/new-doom Jul 17 12:19:08 but by method described in above linked thread you basically can power device over USB up to a consumed current of ~1200mA. That should even suffice for ~80% of modem TX events Jul 17 12:19:15 * RST38h guesses those "Jump, motherfuckers!" posters at Wall Street are starting to make some effect Jul 17 12:21:10 kerio: though I also seen device 'die hard' on one of my experiments, really dramatic fade away of screen content and all :-P Jul 17 12:29:40 morning #maemo \o Jul 17 12:30:41 g mrn'n lcuk Jul 17 12:30:44 moo to you too Jul 17 12:31:12 heya RST38h \o Rabidus \o Jul 17 12:37:20 RST38h, anything interesting today? Jul 17 12:37:30 is the weather still sweltering Jul 17 12:38:29 lcuk: same hellish weather Jul 17 12:38:52 lcuk: just going through some news Jul 17 12:39:43 Yea, I know that one can't believe anything FOX says but sometimes it does deliver: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/12/data-shows-pakistan-googling-pornographic-material/ Jul 17 12:45:40 how to copy part of the text in the x terminal Jul 17 12:45:43 ? Jul 17 12:45:55 select it? Jul 17 12:46:14 (first press the arrow thingy) Jul 17 12:46:46 unless you're inside screen or such, that doesn't scroll with touch Jul 17 12:47:01 in N900 you can mimic a mouse, by holding pen down off left side of screen, the while off screen, pen down, and drag onto screen and hold, a pointer will appear Jul 17 12:47:40 hmm, now that I tried it, I suppose the arrow appears only when the buffer is longer than one screenful, didn't notice that before Jul 17 12:47:52 otherwise it just starts selecting Jul 17 12:47:56 (which is nice) Jul 17 12:49:05 joga: oh thanks Jul 17 12:50:40 joga: is there also a shortcut for copy? Jul 17 12:50:52 joga: Ctrl+C = cancel Jul 17 12:51:08 doubtful Jul 17 12:51:21 you could try ctrl shift c, but afaik that's for gnome-terminal Jul 17 12:51:28 nah doesn't work Jul 17 12:51:29 tried it Jul 17 12:51:38 I guess there isn't by default Jul 17 12:51:55 there is a maemo wiki entry somewhere for shortcuts Jul 17 12:52:09 hmm...is there a way to simulate a middle mouse click? ;) Jul 17 12:52:13 does select+middle click work? Jul 17 12:52:24 how do you middle click? Jul 17 12:52:51 zash: connect a usb mouse?? Jul 17 12:52:56 right your left hand touch your nose and hold that touch, with the right hand click on the screen of the N900 Jul 17 12:53:02 zash: :-D Jul 17 12:53:03 s/^right/with/ Jul 17 12:53:30 if you are left handed, be sure to setup your 3 button mouse preferences into left handed mode, so the middle button works correctly Jul 17 12:53:52 Heh Jul 17 12:54:39 ilius: bluetooth! Jul 17 12:55:13 in update PR1.4.20200401 we hope to have mouse button 4 support, this require the assistance of another person to activate the gesture Jul 17 12:55:34 heh, how about this http://www.semicomplete.com/projects/xdotool/xdotool#mouse_commands Jul 17 12:55:38 or something similar Jul 17 12:55:44 odin_: does not work! or i dont understand! Jul 17 12:55:57 maybe you need to also hold your breath Jul 17 12:56:33 joga: :-D Jul 17 12:56:59 Are there any better dialers than wvdial? Jul 17 12:57:41 on a more serious note... alterego what context do you use/need a failer with N900 (other than GSM/PPP support) ? Jul 17 12:57:51 hey guys Jul 17 12:57:57 s/failer/dialer/ Jul 17 12:57:57 odin_ meant: on a more serious note... alterego what context do you use/need a dialer with N900 (other than GSM/PPP support) ? Jul 17 12:58:12 odin_: I'm trying to tehter my ubuntu laptop via bluetooth Jul 17 12:58:21 Ideally, I'd like it to integrate with network manager. Jul 17 12:58:33 is it just me, or the bugs.maemo.org site throws a certificate error for everyone? Jul 17 12:58:35 But I don't know how to get rfcomm devices to show up as mobile broadband connections .. Jul 17 12:58:46 ^^^ freud slip up ? Jul 17 12:59:28 you want your phone to provide internet to your laptop ? Jul 17 12:59:40 Yes, but via bluetooth Jul 17 12:59:55 I've got DUN on the N900 and I've got the appropriate rfcomm device setup. Jul 17 12:59:57 install Bluetooth DUN Jul 17 12:59:58 oh Jul 17 13:00:00 ok Jul 17 13:00:01 heh Jul 17 13:00:02 I just need a dialer. Jul 17 13:00:06 This is all laptop side :P Jul 17 13:00:14 wait, you don't have to dial Jul 17 13:00:16 I always read DUN as DUH :) Jul 17 13:00:21 you need to enable data Jul 17 13:00:27 Oh Jul 17 13:00:36 :/ Jul 17 13:00:50 Have you successfully done this then? Jul 17 13:00:56 no Jul 17 13:01:00 i'd just use mobile hotspot Jul 17 13:01:05 wifi > bluetooth, speed-wise Jul 17 13:01:12 Because I've always had to use a dialer like wvdial in the past with DUN ... Jul 17 13:01:18 I know Jul 17 13:01:38 what sort of power / battery performance difference does BT/WLAN make ? Jul 17 13:02:09 This is actually a test for me to setup something similar on my girlfriends laptop, and her N96 wont do wifi > internet Jul 17 13:02:10 alterego: you can also use usb host networking Jul 17 13:02:20 I know, that's how I'm talking to you now kerio :P Jul 17 13:02:41 This is a specific requirement. Jul 17 13:03:14 I'm not asking how to get on the internet with my phone, I'm asking how to get on the internet with my phone via bluetooth in the nicest (most ubuntu) friendly way. Jul 17 13:03:41 I just want to know if it's possible to integrate rfcomm DUN into network manager ... Jul 17 13:05:16 Think I might have found a solution ... Jul 17 13:10:54 RST38h: have you figured how to disable that annoying blue-ind-LED activation in xchat? Jul 17 13:13:15 RST38h: I installed new on PR1.2 device, copied over all the cnfig from .xchat2 from old device where xchat behaves, and I tried to switch off all faintly related sounding options in setup - no success :-( still fsckng blue indicator light on every highlight Jul 17 13:13:36 silly question here, how the hell do I type a pipe char on the n900? Jul 17 13:14:27 SwedeMike: shift and function key? Jul 17 13:14:37 you will see a tble of characters popping up Jul 17 13:14:39 SWFu: press the meta key and the sym key and it's in the vkb popup for extra characters Jul 17 13:15:05 (meta == blue arrow) + (key above it with 'sym' written in blue) Jul 17 13:15:10 sym for symbols :) Jul 17 13:15:11 Ah ha! many thanks! Jul 17 13:17:02 does anyone know how big the inductive charging plates are Jul 17 13:17:07 hey guys whats the eaiest way to connect a apple wireless keyboard to a n900, i am a maemo 5 newbie and is having trouble doing it Jul 17 13:17:42 parim, lucky you asked, im just putting batteries in mine now :p Jul 17 13:17:48 i havent tried since my n810 Jul 17 13:18:52 ah Jul 17 13:18:56 i may have a problem Jul 17 13:21:48 bollocks the battery holder coin twist opening is not opening o_O Jul 17 13:21:58 i just bent a coin trying :S Jul 17 13:24:19 * lcuk may have to plod back to apple store Jul 17 13:24:53 you bent the coin? LOL Jul 17 13:25:19 yeah b-man :S Jul 17 13:25:33 the coinslot is well and truly stuck Jul 17 13:25:46 hmm Jul 17 13:25:48 use a bigass screwdriver Jul 17 13:25:58 i dont have a big ass Jul 17 13:26:14 i used a coin and pair of pliers Jul 17 13:26:32 and the coin gaveway before the slot Jul 17 13:26:38 i think batteries corroded :( Jul 17 13:28:00 lcuk that is really sad Jul 17 13:28:56 * SpeedEvil is thankfull he doesn't need an ass-screwdriver yet. Jul 17 13:29:12 * lcuk is too Jul 17 13:29:30 that really screws up my day i needed it for something too Jul 17 13:29:45 * lcuk gets wd40 and toolbox down Jul 17 13:30:07 lcuk, there is no option called wireless keyboard on the n900, this its the closest thing that i found that would make it work http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41845 Jul 17 13:30:32 Is this a metal keyb? Jul 17 13:31:25 SpeedEvil: metal ??? Jul 17 13:32:58 I know apple make some metal keyboards Jul 17 13:33:14 I was surprised that lcuk bent his wookie. Jul 17 13:33:15 SpeedEvil, alu yeah Jul 17 13:33:58 Make damn sure you're trying to open it in the right way Jul 17 13:34:03 I'd get the manual personally Jul 17 13:34:09 BTDT Jul 17 13:34:13 i did the normal route first Jul 17 13:34:20 ie non power tool Jul 17 13:34:52 lcuk: you need to turn it anticlock wise Jul 17 13:34:57 to open Jul 17 13:35:04 SpeedEvil, theres compression dints on the foot, i think it has been squashed Jul 17 13:35:15 parim, lefty loosy i know Jul 17 13:35:58 SpeedEvil: you mean even the keys are metal? Jul 17 13:36:26 parim: dunno - I know the base is. Jul 17 13:37:15 lcuk, I suggest you get an electric drill and drill that mofu open. Better than going to the Apple store at least Jul 17 13:37:22 its alu frame with a metal of some sort screw cap on the battery case Jul 17 13:37:41 Termana, i might get a bumper for my keyboard tho Jul 17 13:37:43 lcuk: When faced with this sort of problem, I reach for hotmelt Jul 17 13:37:49 lcuk, :P Jul 17 13:38:15 lcuk: glue on a nice bit of metal that you can get a good grip on with mole-grips Jul 17 13:38:42 ill just pack it back up in its box and forget about it for today Jul 17 13:38:45 A very thin film of hotmelt is actually reasonably strong in shear Jul 17 13:38:48 fair enough Jul 17 13:38:53 and when i next goto trafford centre ill take it with me Jul 17 13:38:56 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jul 17 13:39:11 I need to similarly open a container to get out a battery. Jul 17 13:39:20 Though in this case, it's a Renault Laguna. Jul 17 13:39:25 We were hoping you would rip the shit out of that thing and stick a video on youtube Jul 17 13:39:27 No fun Jul 17 13:39:40 (That's sat idle for a year, and the battery has died, and the bonnet release does not now work) Jul 17 13:39:47 :P my videos show creating new things not destroying old stuff Jul 17 13:40:32 i still now have problem of getting keyboard input into n900 in portrait mode Jul 17 13:40:56 lcuk: you can pull the bottom half of the n900 off, and duct-tape it on in portrait mode. Jul 17 13:41:13 Would be cool if that actually worked. Jul 17 13:41:15 and its for a code editor so i dont want to eat half the screen with a vkb Jul 17 13:41:29 transparent keyb? Jul 17 13:41:44 could do but its not the intent Jul 17 13:41:46 xstroke/ Jul 17 13:41:48 i like having a big window Jul 17 13:42:00 I mean a transparent keyb overlaid over the code Jul 17 13:42:12 i know but that doesnt let me do what i want Jul 17 13:42:23 i cant kinetic and pan if theres keyboard buttons there Jul 17 13:42:28 ah Jul 17 13:42:44 and stroke recognising keyboards would be similar fail Jul 17 13:43:05 http://liqbase.net/20100626_003.mp4 the book reader effect i want to see code inside Jul 17 13:43:23 Dasher would be I think the most thematically compatible for you. Jul 17 13:43:52 Front-cam + eye-gaze recognition for 'user is looking at dasher area' Jul 17 13:43:56 not really, i used to use my n810 over vnc in portrait mode with keyboard Jul 17 13:44:37 so i know the orientation works, and now i can render fullscreen portraity stuff i wanted to do a bit more on the code editor side Jul 17 13:44:39 I suppose you could get used to one thumb in portrait Jul 17 13:44:55 actually I knew a guy who was doing research in interfaces that use eye-tracking. very interesting stuff. Jul 17 13:44:59 though you need L/R mode Jul 17 13:45:15 people keep offering me hats with leds on Jul 17 13:45:24 lcuk: That's silly. Jul 17 13:45:28 ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM ) Jul 17 13:45:32 * SpeedEvil hands lcuk a hat with three tea-lights on. Jul 17 13:45:35 not really SpeedEvil based on that ^ Jul 17 13:45:51 tealights would pose a health and safety risk i believe :P Jul 17 13:46:32 lcuk: yeah - the above is one app for centimetric accurate GPS Jul 17 13:47:17 SpeedEvil, i keep pondering better than cm accurate: http://liqbase.net/20100715_005.mp4 Jul 17 13:47:43 and it should really use the n900 that has gps and is shining light as base orientation for all other devices Jul 17 13:47:48 so yeah it would work :p Jul 17 13:48:08 Needs better sensors. Jul 17 13:48:14 yeah Jul 17 13:49:35 The N900 never ceases to amaze me. Jul 17 13:50:05 alterego, indeed Jul 17 13:50:51 alterego, ehehe. Jul 17 13:51:09 Nor me, but perhaps said with a different tone. *eg* Jul 17 14:03:22 SpeedEvil, that liqmouse video is now uploaded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdVqdfFdL3Q Jul 17 14:04:01 Damn. Jul 17 14:04:14 I should have taken a pic of the rat I caught the other dya Jul 17 14:04:30 o_O Jul 17 14:04:35 Caught in a bowl, and humanely released. Jul 17 14:04:38 (with a brick) Jul 17 14:05:38 SpeedEvil, http://www.armory.com/~moke/mouse.html Jul 17 14:05:54 older than most people on the internet but i was laughing my head off at it Jul 17 14:06:43 :) Jul 17 14:07:07 http://www.instructables.com/id/Mouse-Mouse!/ Jul 17 14:07:10 Seen that/ Jul 17 14:07:40 * GAN900 wishes MicroB wouldn't pretend it saw you click the link. Jul 17 14:08:00 lol Jul 17 14:22:13 Well, I just had my N900 tethered via USB and bluetooth to another machine. Jul 17 14:22:14 :D Jul 17 14:22:23 And the N900 had it's own connection still working. Jul 17 14:22:23 kinky Jul 17 14:22:59 I find that quite amazing, especially in this day and age when you have to pay more money for the ability to do something similar with an iPhone Jul 17 14:23:18 i dont Jul 17 14:23:46 non-informed customers, great advertising, extremely controlling company Jul 17 14:24:52 timeless_mbp: I had to tracker-processes --reset-hard yesterday :\ Jul 17 14:25:50 well, or, iow, "semi-blindly run a random command found on the intarwebs" Jul 17 14:26:25 an external card's contents weren't getting indexed, except for new stuff Jul 17 14:26:52 which is slightly suboptimal Jul 17 14:27:57 pronto Well, obviously that's Apple, but other companies don't have to adhere to their shit ... Jul 17 14:28:38 For instance, I know AT&T are Apple's butt buddies, but why in gods name do Operators in my country (the UK) where they all have iPhones put up with that bs .. Jul 17 14:28:55 but most customers dont know the differnce and will bbuy into that , hance more money for the company Jul 17 14:29:36 Yeah, still, I don't like how providers are becoming Apple's b*tches Jul 17 14:31:26 hi, Jul 17 14:31:30 is there a way to always let image-viewer sort by name? i tried to change /apps/osso/image-viewer/sort_type from 1 to 0 and 2, but that doesn't make a difference. Jul 17 14:36:37 * slonopotamus doesn't get that "tethering" word. where you got it from? Jul 17 14:41:45 ~dict tethering Jul 17 14:41:49 Dictionary 'tethering' n. {Tethering}.] To confine, as an animal, with a long rope or chain, as for feeding within certain limits. [1913 Webster] And by a slender cord was tethered to a stone. --Wordsworth. [1913 Webster] Jul 17 14:42:49 LOL Jul 17 14:45:47 ~more Jul 17 14:45:48 it has been said that more is Displays the contents of the named files, one screenful at a time. Syntax: more (file1) (file2) ...(fileN). Where file1 through fileN are the files to display. Example: more papers/history-final displays the file papers/history-final. Jul 17 14:45:51 ... Jul 17 14:47:30 ~less Jul 17 14:47:31 . URL: http://www.flash.net/~marknu/less/ or more Jul 17 14:47:55 404 ... Jul 17 14:48:05 ~404 Jul 17 14:48:07 ERROR: 404 answer not found Jul 17 14:48:11 lol Jul 17 14:48:43 lots of duplicate or someone deathgripped the freenode server Jul 17 14:48:49 see the signal bars dropping? Jul 17 14:52:02 \o crashanddie Jul 17 14:52:31 how do i make the camera-ui stfu on camera lid open Jul 17 14:52:41 greetings Jul 17 14:52:47 i use more the flashlight than the camers Jul 17 14:52:49 camera Jul 17 14:52:53 Heh Jul 17 14:52:54 anyone tried gnumeric in N900 yet? Jul 17 14:53:35 and... would the flashlight eventually destroy the flash? Jul 17 14:54:07 kerio, make a daemon that would symlink the flashlight app to camera-ui when you open the lens Jul 17 14:54:12 and no, ask SpeedEvil Jul 17 14:54:30 SpeedEvil: *poke* Jul 17 14:54:49 X-Fade, ping http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=755028#post755028 Jul 17 14:56:17 kerio, no. Jul 17 14:56:39 kerio, unless your flashlight application ignores the warnings. Jul 17 14:56:42 so the only danger would be to drain the battery? Jul 17 14:56:44 oh Jul 17 14:56:49 i use... hmm... Jul 17 14:56:52 No - the flashlight LEDs ar enot at the flash intensity Jul 17 14:56:58 It has a couple different settings Jul 17 14:57:00 they are at 1/7th of peak current Jul 17 14:57:06 which is specced as safe Jul 17 14:57:13 I've also run them for 4 hours on battery Jul 17 14:57:17 and there is also overheat protections too afaik Jul 17 14:57:17 The flashlight plugin I know of runs at the torch setting. Jul 17 14:57:29 flashlight-applet Jul 17 14:57:33 and observed no decrease in light output over 4 hours measured by a light meter Jul 17 14:57:38 SpeedEvil: nice Jul 17 14:58:42 what if i want to blind a predator though? is there a way to set them to maximum? Jul 17 14:59:25 Heh Jul 17 14:59:35 The driver will only allow flash bursts of full intensity Jul 17 14:59:45 * RST38h will keep that in mind for the next time when he is alone in the forest at night Jul 17 15:00:09 I think the flashlight brightness is more than enough to scare the shit out of a peado though :P Jul 17 15:00:45 I wonder if it can strobe... Jul 17 15:00:55 And rotate! Jul 17 15:01:06 not that kind of predator Jul 17 15:01:06 Probably, though more likely to reduce life expectancy. Jul 17 15:01:06 and you need chris hansen to do that Jul 17 15:01:50 maybe that an app idea. "Pedobear Catcher" Jul 17 15:01:55 that's* Jul 17 15:02:10 alterego, Symbian devices can do it Jul 17 15:02:22 it's fun if you want to annoy someone Jul 17 15:02:22 kerio, a pistol would be more effective. :P Jul 17 15:02:26 MohammadAG: apt-get install party-hard-applet Jul 17 15:02:27 you know, return the favor Jul 17 15:02:59 Too bad they aren't red and blue Jul 17 15:03:01 . . . or maybe you could carry around a WinMob device to scare them away Jul 17 15:03:21 Portable police light Jul 17 15:03:45 you can always attach little colored overlays... Jul 17 15:03:50 blue sweetie wrapper Jul 17 15:03:54 Gels Jul 17 15:04:04 MohammadAG: annoy someone and cause them to hgave a seisure if they're epileptic Jul 17 15:04:13 I could set it on my dash and yell "nee naw nee naw" out my window Jul 17 15:04:22 :P Jul 17 15:04:26 alterego: That "if" makes the whole idea somewhat unreliable Jul 17 15:04:39 Termana, you can just play mp3 sound, transmit over radio to your car stereo Jul 17 15:05:00 That "if" also makes "The Game" more fun. Jul 17 15:05:18 lcuk, even better, transmit it to THEIR radio. "This is the police, we've taken over your radio" Jul 17 15:05:19 oh you git Jul 17 15:05:26 i just lost the game \@/ Jul 17 15:05:37 Termana: yeah, that will work Jul 17 15:05:40 :) Jul 17 15:05:46 Termana, o_O Jul 17 15:05:52 although, if you install jacekowski's fmtxd... Jul 17 15:06:05 alterego: however - you can flash for 0.5s every 0.6s - this will burn out the LEDs Jul 17 15:06:35 Yeah, I was saying it would probably kill the flash eventually. Jul 17 15:06:35 SpeedEvil: some safe driver Jul 17 15:06:37 :/ Jul 17 15:07:00 Semi-safe driver then :P Jul 17 15:07:03 you can probably use the LEDs to transfer messages or software, wirelessly Jul 17 15:07:13 That would be neat :) Jul 17 15:07:28 I'm suprised no one has made a morse encoder/decoder app with the flash :D Jul 17 15:07:35 RST38h, sure but focusing on them from the other end would be more difficult Jul 17 15:07:53 unless you were using 2 completely fixed channels Jul 17 15:08:04 i still can't believe that the IR port has no receiver :( Jul 17 15:08:04 lcuk: let us say you have got a dark room full of N900 users and you are shooting them with the camera Jul 17 15:08:04 in which case you would be better with a pair of woks and wifi Jul 17 15:08:19 RST38h, yeah sure i understand the concept Jul 17 15:08:36 RST38h: shoot cameras at them Jul 17 15:08:44 its the detection i do with inverted ar :P Jul 17 15:08:53 find bright spots and work with them Jul 17 15:09:14 problem is framerate Jul 17 15:09:29 25 bits of info per second max per pixel Jul 17 15:10:56 26 Jul 17 15:11:05 err Jul 17 15:11:06 50 Jul 17 15:11:16 The white and red LEDs canbe flashed independantly Jul 17 15:11:28 we have a red LED? Jul 17 15:11:32 :o Jul 17 15:11:32 doh Jul 17 15:11:44 how often do you take videos? Jul 17 15:11:45 lol Jul 17 15:11:55 I'm not sure when Nokia were building the n900 they had any of THIS in mind :P Jul 17 15:12:18 Termana, community always comes up with more ideas than originally intended Jul 17 15:12:18 * RST38h has never taken a video with his n900 Jul 17 15:12:19 kerio: calling it a "port" is a bit generous :) It's a hefty IR led you can turn on and off very fast :D Jul 17 15:12:20 SpeedEvil, hmm, on symbian you can flash it every 0.2s Jul 17 15:12:30 should be taken down from the ovi store Jul 17 15:12:31 ie: if god meant for linux controlled toasters he would have added a keyboard Jul 17 15:12:32 imp Jul 17 15:12:35 imo even Jul 17 15:12:55 What's the command to show those desktop notifications on gnome? Jul 17 15:13:01 damn, lost the thread Jul 17 15:13:18 what thread? Jul 17 15:13:29 DocScrutinizer: you mean you lost the game Jul 17 15:13:57 flashing white LED? sounds fun Jul 17 15:14:10 reading backscroll :-S Jul 17 15:14:18 i never saw this red led btw Jul 17 15:14:32 [2010-07-17 17:11:44] how often do you take videos? Jul 17 15:14:53 kerio: Take a video Jul 17 15:15:05 ShadowJK: and that's perfectly fine for qtirreco :D Jul 17 15:15:10 the range sucks though Jul 17 15:16:04 Well if qtirreco could adjust modulation up/down a bit to hit the right frequency the range would probably improve Jul 17 15:16:10 kerio: check lirc driver frequency settings. Odds are the carrier freq doesn't match your appliance's RX module Jul 17 15:16:33 SpeedEvil: i just did Jul 17 15:17:10 so you seen the red LED on the device the guy in the mirror was holding? Jul 17 15:17:43 DocScrutinizer: nope Jul 17 15:17:51 btw there's even a second red LED Jul 17 15:17:59 kerio, you have installed the applet doofer that stops it Jul 17 15:18:20 kerio: dude, your 'privacy' LED is broken :-o Jul 17 15:18:33 ever since that app pops up when you touch the proximity sensor it's been very annoying Jul 17 15:19:00 whut? Jul 17 15:19:12 lfocus Jul 17 15:20:25 lcuk: flashlight-applet blocks the red led? what? why? Jul 17 15:21:03 kerio, i never said the flashlight-applet, i cant remember the name, but theres something to stop red light also Jul 17 15:21:13 oh Jul 17 15:21:27 i hope it's not broken... :/ Jul 17 15:23:08 hey raster \o Jul 17 15:23:24 seems that qtirreco and irreco work with lirc backend quite different way Jul 17 15:23:29 lcuk: \(..)/ Jul 17 15:23:37 and what annyoys me most is lack of diagnostics Jul 17 15:23:51 sometimes one does work and another does not and vice versa Jul 17 15:24:03 and it is completely silent all the time Jul 17 15:24:39 how fast does the IR pulse ? Jul 17 15:24:57 38MHz iirc? Jul 17 15:25:01 100 lcuk's/s Jul 17 15:25:14 * Termana is not helpful :P Jul 17 15:25:44 ok so even being able to see IR over the camera wouldnt help Jul 17 15:25:46 I could be (very) wrong though Jul 17 15:26:06 well, I'm sure it pulses faster than the cam can record Jul 17 15:26:28 Not quite. Jul 17 15:26:38 The camera uses a technique called rolling shutter. Jul 17 15:27:03 If you want 1/100th of the nominal sensitivity, you reset a line 1/100th of a frame before you read it out Jul 17 15:27:37 This means that a pulsing lightsource makes a 'zebra' pattern at 100*the framerate temporal resolution Jul 17 15:36:15 lcuk: 32..46kHz Jul 17 15:36:26 usually 36 or 38 Jul 17 15:37:25 DocScrutinizer, mmm Jul 17 15:37:45 Arkenoi, use another camera to confirm whether the device is pulsing correctly out of its IR Jul 17 15:38:46 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_IR#Technical_information Jul 17 15:38:50 lcuk: ^^^ Jul 17 15:38:59 lcuk: or a mirror Jul 17 15:39:43 SpeedEvil, ? would a mirror show visible ir? Jul 17 15:39:59 well, why not? Jul 17 15:40:17 cos i cant see IR normally Jul 17 15:40:21 No. Jul 17 15:40:28 But thenormal camera can see IR Jul 17 15:40:41 SpeedEvil: no IR filters on the n900? laaaaame Jul 17 15:40:45 zing! Jul 17 15:40:45 and a conventional mirror will reflect near-IR quite well Jul 17 15:40:49 and the light comes on Jul 17 15:40:58 * lcuk actually forgot about multitasking for a moment! Jul 17 15:41:03 kerio: there may be filters - but to get all of the light is practically impossible Jul 17 15:42:35 455 kHz carrier :-O Jul 17 15:43:59 SpeedEvil: the directed radiation of IR-LED isn't in axis of the main cam though :-/ Jul 17 15:44:37 its enough to see if its on Jul 17 15:44:38 i blame the fact that the IR led of the n900 is not powerful enough Jul 17 15:44:41 mirror Jul 17 15:44:43 and probably it's hard to make camera-ui continue recording, while you click on a button in qtirreco Jul 17 15:44:53 we need MORE POWER! Jul 17 15:45:05 let's overclock the IR led! Jul 17 15:45:06 :D Jul 17 15:45:07 SpeedEvil: not in axis means you need at least 2 mirrors Jul 17 15:45:14 * lcuk calls tim the toolman taylor Jul 17 15:45:23 DocScrutinizer: you need one bendy mirror Jul 17 15:45:34 Or a powerful gravitational point-source. Jul 17 15:45:37 DocScrutinizer, you can do it with one to view enough Jul 17 15:45:45 yeah just fire the ir around the sun Jul 17 15:45:54 lcuk: see, we need more power Jul 17 15:46:01 or a handy black hole Jul 17 15:50:53 odds are the IR wavelength of the LED is wrong. If only we could get BOM from Nokia, so we knew what LED they actually used :-(( Jul 17 15:52:38 with a prisma and a decent IR sensitive camera you could compare wavelength of N900 to that of your genuine remo Jul 17 15:53:37 Or a CD Jul 17 15:54:22 at least I can confirm it's not very near IR, as frequently found on e.g camera invisible lightup. I actually *see* these, while on N900 I don't see anything (though I *think* my left eyeball hurts a little now :-P ) Jul 17 15:55:53 SpeedEvil: CD? just to tell "it ruined the cyano"? Jul 17 15:56:00 DocScrutinizer, DO NOT LOOK INTO LASER WITH REMAINING EYE Jul 17 15:56:06 or what do you want to do with CD? Jul 17 15:56:19 damn, actually I did Jul 17 15:56:32 the laser hole is in my right eyeball Jul 17 15:57:02 s/hole/blind spot Jul 17 15:57:04 DocScrutinizer, :( Jul 17 15:57:29 how powerful was it and how much do you regret that decision Jul 17 15:57:38 CD is a diffraction grating Jul 17 15:57:48 reminds me to visit doctor evetually. Seems to start becomming a nuissance lately Jul 17 15:57:56 after ~20 years Jul 17 15:58:01 30? Jul 17 15:58:22 SpeedEvil: I see Jul 17 15:58:37 SpeedEvil: actually a very good one Jul 17 15:58:53 you just shouldn't use a CD-ROM them Jul 17 15:58:57 good one what? i lost some messages Jul 17 15:59:12 Take a CD - arrange it so you're in a dark roomwith one CD-sized shaft of sunlight Jul 17 15:59:21 reflect the sun off the CD Jul 17 15:59:27 pretty radial rainbows. Jul 17 15:59:29 nice prisma Jul 17 16:01:11 you would probably want to use a prisma nevertheless, as it is conveniently placed behind a paper with a slot, while CD is reflecting and thus a bit more complicated to set up the test bed on IR Jul 17 16:04:48 hmpf, not exactly simple to find a good prisma Jul 17 16:04:52 heh SpeedEvil, you said shaft Jul 17 16:04:57 in my kitchen :-P Jul 17 16:05:31 lcuk: is that XXX and triggers autokick? Jul 17 16:08:17 there's autokick on profanity? Jul 17 16:08:29 /kick kerio Jul 17 16:08:40 nope, on stupid questions :-P Jul 17 16:09:03 kerio: there's no autokick, just kidding Jul 17 16:09:14 hmm Jul 17 16:09:16 i don't believe you Jul 17 16:09:21 COCK Jul 17 16:09:32 /kick kerio Jul 17 16:09:39 i said *auto*kick Jul 17 16:09:42 what's the fucking deal Jul 17 16:09:42 :P Jul 17 16:09:54 hold on, this channel is logged right? Jul 17 16:10:03 /topic Jul 17 16:10:18 so all my messages are stored... Jul 17 16:10:19 :/ Jul 17 16:10:27 :-P Jul 17 16:10:49 you'll have to hide in a cave till end of times Jul 17 16:10:53 the autokick is for words like "overclock" etc Jul 17 16:11:05 /kick luke-jr Jul 17 16:11:25 /stab DocScrutinizer Jul 17 16:12:03 I actually have an autokick set up, but that's just for one guy Jul 17 16:12:28 i just received my new battery and the 900 works again Jul 17 16:12:30 and I'm HAPPY he's ending it Jul 17 16:12:38 \o/ thought already the phone is dead Jul 17 16:12:59 dr34m: what phone? Jul 17 16:13:06 dr34m, you couldn't just do emergency charging? Jul 17 16:13:12 the original n900 battery died Jul 17 16:13:18 nope i tried couldnt revive it Jul 17 16:13:52 no idea what happened one morning the thing was dead. with new battery its good now .. i got a cheap one tho for testing Jul 17 16:13:59 some 1900ma thingi Jul 17 16:14:03 I actually have an autokick set up, but that's just for one guy Jul 17 16:14:04 aww Jul 17 16:14:08 you shouldn't have Jul 17 16:14:12 :P Jul 17 16:14:32 MohammadAG: :-D Jul 17 16:14:44 DocScrutinizer, whos it setup for Jul 17 16:15:20 I won't tell you as otherwise it bites me :-P Jul 17 16:15:49 read backscroll - you'll be able to figure Jul 17 16:17:30 nope Jul 17 16:17:38 * Termana slaps ChanServ Jul 17 16:17:38 i have no backscroll Jul 17 16:17:48 akick #maemo list Jul 17 16:17:49 then check for most uttered phrase by HtheB Jul 17 16:17:49 -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. Jul 17 16:17:57 :P Jul 17 16:18:13 lcuk: for this particular backscroll the screen suffices Jul 17 16:18:21 [2010-07-17 18:12:30] and I'm HAPPY he's ending it Jul 17 16:18:44 hmm Jul 17 16:18:50 nick starts with H ends with B? Jul 17 16:19:27 the nick is HtheB Jul 17 16:19:42 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=happy+ending Jul 17 16:19:59 :-P Jul 17 16:20:31 yeah Jul 17 16:20:32 I know Jul 17 16:20:33 xD Jul 17 16:21:23 happy ending! Jul 17 16:21:23 /kick SER Jul 17 16:21:26 :P Jul 17 16:21:52 hmm, seems broken XP Jul 17 16:28:40 hey DocScrutinizer Jul 17 16:28:59 dr34m: could you do me a favour and *try* recover charging with original battery? Jul 17 16:30:34 dr34m: use original Nokia wallwart fastcharger. Insert battery. Do NOT try to power up device. Plug in to charger. Amber steady should show up. charge for 30min and observe. if after 30min amber vanishes, replug charger and do another charge cycle Jul 17 16:30:49 i will iam still charging the new one ;) Jul 17 16:30:59 good plan :-D Jul 17 16:31:46 i tried that before tho Jul 17 16:33:33 dr34m: if recovery charging doesn't revive original battery for you, after some 3..5 cycles, then you could try hotswapping fron good to dead cell like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734, and that when succeeding for sure should start normal charging of Nokia battery, after 'start bme' Jul 17 16:34:10 how open is the front camera? Jul 17 16:34:10 but please try several recover charge cycles in series prior to that Jul 17 16:34:19 could I be saving PNGs instead of JPGs? Jul 17 16:34:25 front? no idea Jul 17 16:34:43 well, it's V4L2, no? Jul 17 16:35:24 for main camera openness refer to blessn900 Jul 17 16:35:38 seems they did some really wicked stuff Jul 17 16:36:03 dunno :) Jul 17 16:36:11 I mean the 5MP one Jul 17 16:36:21 ooh, that's rear aiui Jul 17 16:36:27 or main Jul 17 16:36:27 hehe Jul 17 16:36:50 I was just noting Wikipedia's long detailed article on Jpeg2000, and wondering why nobody actually uses it Jul 17 16:37:00 then went to wondering why I'm not saving PNGs from N900 Jul 17 16:37:01 XD Jul 17 16:37:19 luke-jr: ping SpeedEvil Jul 17 16:37:29 DocScrutinizer, blessn900 is closed source afaik? Jul 17 16:37:34 * lcuk might be wrong Jul 17 16:37:44 he seems to know a damn lot about cam and video/still Jul 17 16:38:31 lcuk: blessn900 *is* closed, but obviously they managed to get data about the cam module, to an extent where they were able to modify firmware drivers Jul 17 16:38:53 "we found no other platform open enough to do this" Jul 17 16:39:24 blessn900.com Jul 17 16:39:43 we liek open source but we wont open our own stuff Jul 17 16:40:04 yeah. can't blame them though. Claer case of IP Jul 17 16:40:10 ... Jul 17 16:40:46 "BlessN900 implements unique SuperZoom technology, providing digital zoom quality close to one a generic optical zoom would provide" Jul 17 16:40:50 riight :P Jul 17 16:41:21 they share the app for free, at least. :-) And tbh it performs 10^4 times inferior to genuine pr1.2 cam nightmode, on low light Jul 17 16:42:17 perhaps thats a translation problem, you just said it performs worse Jul 17 16:42:29 yes, extremely worse Jul 17 16:42:40 was a mere joke Jul 17 16:42:55 just red and blue spots all over Jul 17 16:43:17 100% saturated pixels in red and blue, ~5% Jul 17 16:43:32 first pictures i ever took on n900 were at night in a dark club place Jul 17 16:43:35 on black background :-P Jul 17 16:43:41 * lcuk still looks at them and smiles Jul 17 16:45:59 lcuk: wait ~4h till it gets dark here and I'll upload some shots to compare Jul 17 16:46:09 if you're really interested Jul 17 16:49:37 DocScrutinizer, http://team.pld-linux.org/~wolf/bless/ Jul 17 16:49:43 1 - normal, 2 - night mode, 3 - bless Jul 17 16:52:32 thanks wolf^ Jul 17 16:52:41 my, the n900 default camera software is nice :) Jul 17 16:53:35 wolf^: is that the blessn900 camera app? Jul 17 16:53:49 yes Jul 17 16:53:59 that thing takes odd photos xD Jul 17 16:54:10 hmm Jul 17 16:54:16 the LEDs look sexy in ubuntu Jul 17 16:54:23 uploading vid Jul 17 16:54:26 http://pronto185.com/n900/camera/Fire.8.07_16_2010.jpg << with blessn900 set to HDR lol Jul 17 16:54:35 someone else remarked on the camera stuff the other day, complimented on : http://liqbase.net/lads_we/20100710_023.jpg Jul 17 16:55:28 That bless photo looks like ImageMagick's -equalize or -normalize ... Jul 17 16:56:15 uh, pronto you tried to hdr a fire? Jul 17 16:56:19 lol i have a few fire pictures too! Jul 17 16:56:21 yeah Jul 17 16:56:24 that doesn't really work Jul 17 16:56:25 taken from normal cam: http://liqbase.net/lads_we/20100710_029.jpg Jul 17 16:56:28 http://pronto185.com/n900/camera/?MD << pretty much all those are taken with the n900 Jul 17 16:56:32 multicore marshmallow roasting! Jul 17 16:57:02 http://pronto185.com/n900/camera/Fire.6.07_16_2010.jpg the camera makes purplefire! Jul 17 16:57:05 pronto: you need a *static* object to photograph for one-camera HDR Jul 17 16:57:21 kerio: i was just playing around with it lol Jul 17 16:57:24 kerie with fire it doesnt much matter Jul 17 16:57:57 wolf^: yep thanks Jul 17 16:58:11 http://share.ovi.com/album/joerg900.public Jul 17 16:58:18 I have awesome fire video somewhere.. perfect ignition of a fire in my fireplace :) Jul 17 16:58:26 I have a rainbow picture.. Jul 17 16:59:28 i have a picture of the most refined act of British snobbery ever! Jul 17 16:59:33 a goblet..of tea. Jul 17 16:59:49 http://liqbase.net/lads_we/20100710_018.jpg Jul 17 17:01:14 :O Jul 17 17:01:31 notice the 3 blue spots which are blurred by jpeg I guess, but were bright 100% b pixels on blessn900 original shot. on even lower light shots I had 100s of them, in red and blue Jul 17 17:05:19 DocScrutinizer, your n810 resembles pupniks quite a bit Jul 17 17:05:38 http://liqbase.net/liq.fosdem.pupnik.n810.20100207_007.jpg Jul 17 17:05:46 * luke-jr is currently rebuilding everything on his N810 with GCC 4.4 Jul 17 17:06:55 nice luke-jr - full gentoo rebuild? or just the bits you use? Jul 17 17:07:23 full Jul 17 17:07:31 GCC 4.4 is not ABI compatible with 4.3 Jul 17 17:07:44 how long is it estimated to take? Jul 17 17:08:13 lcuk: forever Jul 17 17:08:15 XD Jul 17 17:08:19 Gentoo doesn't do estimates Jul 17 17:08:20 lcuk: (pupnik) mhm Jul 17 17:08:57 lcuk: first I need to rebuild the base system, then rebuild the entire system (including the base again) Jul 17 17:09:12 ~gentoo luke-jr Jul 17 17:09:13 * infobot recompiles luke-jr again Jul 17 17:09:32 it's almost done w/ the base Jul 17 17:09:34 after 48 hours I think Jul 17 17:09:42 lol Jul 17 17:10:01 haven't decided how I'm going to address qt-webkit Jul 17 17:10:02 GRRRR xchat blue LED PITA Jul 17 17:10:08 it requires like 500 MB memory just to link Jul 17 17:10:09 <.< Jul 17 17:10:27 RST38h: what's wrong with that shit? how to stop it? Jul 17 17:11:29 I really HATE this silly blue LED flashing for every highlight xchat sees Jul 17 17:11:56 I mean it's flashing blue 23:30 per day, for me Jul 17 17:12:43 luke-jr, o_O Jul 17 17:12:51 /notify_mode Jul 17 17:12:59 @ DocScrutinizer Jul 17 17:13:06 lcuk: want to make a liqbase WM? :P Jul 17 17:13:20 ShadowJK: hmm Jul 17 17:13:21 lcuk: maybe even take on Qt as a whole? Jul 17 17:13:55 i just see 500mb as massive Jul 17 17:16:03 ShadowJK: FSCK how's the syntax? Jul 17 17:16:06 lcuk: massive enough to watchdog-kill it Jul 17 17:16:35 yeah thats a bit bad Jul 17 17:17:06 191502 Notification Modes: LED:ON Vibrator:OFF Banner:OFF Dialog:OFF Channel:ON Private:ON Jul 17 17:20:15 nvm, figuerd it Jul 17 17:22:34 nevertheless >:-(( on these presets and `UI', and thanks ShadowJK :-) Jul 17 17:23:47 RST38h: that's not acceptable there's no GUI interface to those notification settings Jul 17 17:26:58 DocScrutinizer iam starting the cycles now with the old dead battery Jul 17 17:27:04 charged the new one to max first Jul 17 17:27:08 lets see Jul 17 17:27:16 dr34m: thanks :) Jul 17 17:27:33 3-5 cycles shoudl do it usually ? Jul 17 17:27:39 you don't by any chance have a voltmeter? Jul 17 17:27:43 each cycle is like 30 min.. wil take a while Jul 17 17:27:50 at work yea but not here and iam on vacation :| Jul 17 17:27:59 nevermind Jul 17 17:28:03 jup Jul 17 17:28:14 usually one cycle *should* suffice Jul 17 17:28:41 but for sure 5 cycles should give not better result than 4 Jul 17 17:29:19 in other words cell should be charged as much as possible by recover charge, after maybe 3..4 cycles Jul 17 17:29:45 we'll see i'll let ya know what happens Jul 17 17:29:54 charge voltage is 3.54V on recover charge Jul 17 17:30:13 this will charge cell to maybe 20% *at max* Jul 17 17:30:37 but for 100% should be enough to boot the device properly Jul 17 17:30:53 yep Jul 17 17:30:57 that's the idea Jul 17 17:31:03 iam glad anyways the phone is ok Jul 17 17:31:10 :-) Jul 17 17:31:13 ;) Jul 17 17:31:26 the original battery sucks anyways Jul 17 17:31:33 couldnt even make a day through work with it Jul 17 17:34:57 data over GPRS/3G pretty easily can drain your battery in less than 2h Jul 17 17:35:41 and that's not exactly Nokia's or N900's fault Jul 17 17:35:51 nor the battery's Jul 17 17:36:29 DocScrutinizer: just data? Jul 17 17:36:52 it's simply related to the fact a RF transmitter has to send data to next base station, and that inevitably eats hge amounts of power Jul 17 17:37:20 dr34m: all the batteries are the same. Jul 17 17:37:44 yeah but some are more same than others Jul 17 17:41:41 DocScrutinizer: so it's a problem with voice too? :P Jul 17 17:42:27 sure. if you're talking then the transmitter also has to send data to basestation Jul 17 17:42:38 on a call Jul 17 17:43:02 I wonder which is better for battery life: voice calls or SIP data calls Jul 17 17:43:17 no diff Jul 17 17:43:40 if you use a low bandwidth codec Jul 17 17:44:09 with high bandwidth codec I'd say SIP is worse Jul 17 18:00:21 this is probably hideously off-topic, but how do I make dosbox actually have a sane input mode? Jul 17 18:00:32 as in, properly use fn combos on n810? Jul 17 18:01:08 ppman: I doubt you can Jul 17 18:01:36 so how do people use dosbox? Jul 17 18:01:48 it's impossible to type /, numbers, and a bunch of other useful stuff Jul 17 18:02:01 dosbox /path/to/game ? Jul 17 18:02:16 I guess... Jul 17 18:02:27 still hard to do certain games sans numbers, but it'll work Jul 17 18:10:39 heh, I lent my N900 to my dad so he could use maesynth to tune this instrument he made :P Jul 17 18:12:52 and not the tuning program? Jul 17 18:13:49 would it be possible to create a metronome app which used vibe module at its tick phase and accelomerometer to detect things Jul 17 18:14:02 to sync a pair of them up slowly like they would in real life Jul 17 18:15:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1TMZASCR-I Jul 17 18:18:14 Hey guys, after removing mafw-gst-eq-renderer I have no media player on my N900!! :o I had to remove the equaliser renderer because of many bugs with it, causing distorted sound etc Jul 17 18:18:18 http://blogs.igalia.com/jasuarez/tag/mafw-gst-eq-renderer/ Jul 17 18:19:35 lol Jul 17 18:20:26 oooh here is something using the rotational zoom gesture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzmkS7ZS4ko Jul 17 18:20:29 from 2008 Jul 17 18:22:29 I guess I have removed the media player package :S Jul 17 18:22:41 technomike: Maemo isn't Gentoo Jul 17 18:23:05 you can't remove a dependency without removing the packages that depend on it Jul 17 18:23:24 Ah Jul 17 18:24:01 I have no idea why the media player has disappeared Jul 17 18:25:19 yaaawn Jul 17 18:27:29 can we video conference from iphone to n900? Jul 17 18:32:38 ech0Asus: no n900 user would ever speak to Jul 17 18:32:38 er Jul 17 18:32:38 to an apple fanboy Jul 17 18:32:47 I guess I am going to have to restore and start my whole N900 again! :( Jul 17 18:33:13 noooooooo ._. Jul 17 18:33:51 well i don't think a n900 is right for my girlfriend but i'd like to be able to video conference with her on another device such as an iphone.. Jul 17 18:34:09 ech0Asus: I suspect Skype might work Jul 17 18:34:26 ech0Asus: Android > iPhone Jul 17 18:34:34 lcuk: sure. just need to reduce period a itsy bit each time you sense an accel event in 96..100% period Jul 17 18:37:28 ech0Asus: There's a thread about FaceTime on tmo; theoretically it might be possible, but there's routing via Apple's servers to decode. Jul 17 18:37:48 luke-jr: No mobile device apart from N900 does Skype video AIUI Jul 17 18:38:13 Jaffa: not even N900 then Jul 17 18:38:18 or period*=0.99 on event in 2nd half of period, *=1.01 on first half Jul 17 18:38:36 Jaffa: o/ :) Jul 17 18:39:18 FaceTime, what a pathetic thing Jul 17 18:39:19 DocScrutinizer51, :D Jul 17 18:39:38 what good is "Skype video" if it doesn't work with any other Skype? Jul 17 18:39:44 Jaffa: actually, the android 2.2 does now. Jul 17 18:40:00 ech0Asus - I have just had an idea, you will be able to video conference with skype, with your girlfriend on iphone and you on n900 Jul 17 18:40:08 eg, the motorola droid does skype video Jul 17 18:40:11 because iphone has skype Jul 17 18:40:21 but I am not sure if it has video support yet Jul 17 18:40:22 technomike: Skype does not imply video Jul 17 18:40:30 does iPhone have a front-facing cam? Jul 17 18:40:36 ah ok so any device with skype will work? Jul 17 18:40:36 iPhone4 does Jul 17 18:40:39 the new iphone does Jul 17 18:40:42 ech0Asus: no Jul 17 18:40:51 for example, I know at least Skype for OS X does not work with N900 Jul 17 18:40:59 nor Skype for Windows Jul 17 18:40:59 damn.. that sux Jul 17 18:41:03 Guys, any ideas how to install the default media player again? Jul 17 18:41:09 how to reinstall I mean Jul 17 18:41:32 Would really appreciate it, have no idea why it has been removed :S Jul 17 18:42:40 I suspect the second part of this command is to blame but its INSTALLING so not sure, but it has mp - maybe mp for media player? - apt-get install mafw-gst-renderer mp-fremantle-generic-pr Jul 17 18:42:56 technomike: I already told you why Jul 17 18:42:59 agh, my head is in a spin over this Jul 17 18:43:11 [13:22:41] technomike: Maemo isn't Gentoo Jul 17 18:43:12 [13:23:05] you can't remove a dependency without removing the packages that depend on it Jul 17 18:43:14  Jul 17 18:43:40 I have not removed anything though ;) Jul 17 18:44:02 sheepbat, there's a tuning program? Jul 17 18:44:36 ye Jul 17 18:44:37 s Jul 17 18:44:41 "[13:18:14] Hey guys, after removing mafw-gst-eq-renderer ..." Jul 17 18:44:50 it's called "tuner" Jul 17 18:45:06 luke-jr - Seperate renderer though Jul 17 18:45:19 it has a little keyboard, and a pitch sensor Jul 17 18:45:20 technomike: probably a dependency of the media player Jul 17 18:45:40 Ah Jul 17 18:45:43 Damn :( Jul 17 18:45:44 technomike, mp-fremantle-* is a metapackage that depends on most things Jul 17 18:45:50 if you install it you get most things installed Jul 17 18:45:58 Oh :P My mistake then Jul 17 18:46:00 thanks Jul 17 18:46:20 I just followed the uninstall procedure on this page: http://blogs.igalia.com/jasuarez/2010/02/19/mafw-gst-eq-renderer-0-1-2009-47-1-1-released/ Jul 17 18:46:34 and if you remove it you dont get updates again Jul 17 18:46:34 So basically, unless you know what you're doing, use the app manager and not apt Jul 17 18:46:51 Is there any way to reinstall the media player? Jul 17 18:47:11 ShadowJK - Thanks for the advice ;) Know for future now Jul 17 18:47:18 try install that mp-fremantle-generic-pr thing Jul 17 18:48:20 the package isn't available but is referred to by another package Jul 17 18:48:41 no install candidate Jul 17 18:49:07 Damn :( I didn't expect things would go this bad Jul 17 18:50:13 is there a way to open the media player when A2DP connection's "play" occurs and MP is not open? Jul 17 18:50:40 Good question Jul 17 18:50:54 I don't think so because I have had similar problem Jul 17 18:51:38 and many others, I have seen on the net Jul 17 18:52:06 DocScrutinizer51: have you forgoten about something? Jul 17 18:52:40 not really. you got the interim thing? Jul 17 18:53:10 no Jul 17 18:53:32 oh Jul 17 18:53:37 you mean that link Jul 17 18:53:38 30..29.. Jul 17 18:53:59 28 27 Jul 17 18:55:27 hope you poll POP every 30s :-P Jul 17 18:55:37 no Jul 17 18:55:46 i use zimbra Jul 17 18:55:47 it's push Jul 17 18:56:10 hmm, can you send it as an attachment Jul 17 18:56:11 so should push you by now Jul 17 18:56:21 can do, sure Jul 17 18:56:24 mompl Jul 17 18:57:08 and you don't have to sign it Jul 17 18:59:08 sorry, all signed Jul 17 18:59:45 u got mail Jul 17 18:59:51 Nope Jul 17 19:00:17 How can I restore maemo, and everything. Maybe that will reinstall the media player :S Jul 17 19:00:37 reflash Jul 17 19:00:49 Damn :( Jul 17 19:01:11 maybe apt-get upgrade will do for this paticular case Jul 17 19:01:30 or apt-get -f install Jul 17 19:01:35 or sth like that Jul 17 19:02:04 [2010-07-17 20:47:18] try install that mp-fremantle-generic-pr thing Jul 17 19:03:33 Thanks I will try that right now. I did apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr, but the package couldn't be found or something Jul 17 19:05:46 that tuner app is more like $random Jul 17 19:07:10 why does Busybox less suck so badly? Jul 17 19:07:27 ShadowJK: test the other analysis algo, I found it's much better Jul 17 19:07:52 luke-jr: just because there's no such thing like messybox-less Jul 17 19:08:00 Yeah im using harmonic product thing Jul 17 19:08:13 DocScrutinizer: wtf? Jul 17 19:08:19 I like GNU less Jul 17 19:08:23 and its PCRE support Jul 17 19:08:24 :D Jul 17 19:08:34 I *HATE* BUSSYBOX Jul 17 19:08:43 me too. mainly because of less. Jul 17 19:08:57 I copy Maemo files to Gentoo just to look at them Jul 17 19:08:57 ~busybox Jul 17 19:08:58 extra, extra, read all about it, busybox is the swiss army knife of embedded linux. It combines tiny versions of many common UNIX utilities into a single small executable. It provides replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU fileutils, shellutils, etc. See http://www.busybox.net/. Jul 17 19:08:59 <.< Jul 17 19:09:07 fuck Jul 17 19:09:13 ~messybox Jul 17 19:09:27 ~crapybox Jul 17 19:09:40 ~worthless Jul 17 19:09:41 i guess worthless is the neatest, most spiffiest example of coolness ever!!! Jul 17 19:09:46 LOL Jul 17 19:09:54 technomike: should be in the system updates whatever catalog that's on by default, afaict ...although that might depend on what version you're at Jul 17 19:10:09 ~you are useless Jul 17 19:10:10 DocScrutinizer: what are you talking about? Jul 17 19:10:18 ~useless Jul 17 19:10:19 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( Jul 17 19:10:20 !! Jul 17 19:10:24 isn't there a package that installs some nicer gnutils? Jul 17 19:10:30 * sp3000 hasn't bothered though Jul 17 19:10:33 *sigh* No luck :( I guess I have to reflash Jul 17 19:10:37 Oh Jul 17 19:11:35 now afaiui the updates repos only contain updates, but if any packages you're missing have been updated, you might be in luck Jul 17 19:15:32 have tried apt-get upgrade etc but nothing Jul 17 19:16:44 sp3000 - Is a reflash the only way to fix this now? Jul 17 19:19:08 if you can't get at the missing package otherwise, backup and reflash would be it Jul 17 19:19:42 Damn, is reflash the only way then :( Jul 17 19:19:50 Is it easy? Jul 17 19:20:40 theremin has some nasty crackles in sound Jul 17 19:20:42 I don't have to backup the mass storage do I? (the 32gb partition) Jul 17 19:20:49 for a reflash I mean Jul 17 19:21:06 nope you don't Jul 17 19:21:14 Phew, would take a while Jul 17 19:21:24 just reflash rootfs (*COMBINED*) Jul 17 19:21:57 then restore Jul 17 19:22:06 the backup Jul 17 19:22:11 technomike: there is no 32 GB partition... Jul 17 19:22:24 yeah it's 28 Jul 17 19:22:37 and an 2GB home Jul 17 19:22:42 anyway Jul 17 19:22:44 27 I thought Jul 17 19:22:48 +2 GB home + .7 GB swap Jul 17 19:22:49 whatever Jul 17 19:23:19 * DocScrutinizer refuses to argue with luke-jr about tonal->decimal conversions :-P Jul 17 19:23:42 luke-jr - Haha my mistake, but I just mean the mass storage Jul 17 19:23:45 DocScrutinizer: I'm thinking about using an arduino to make a tachymetre for my bike. I want to use the spark plug or ignition wire to get a frequency off the engine Jul 17 19:24:07 DocScrutinizer: thoughts? Jul 17 19:24:13 pondering Jul 17 19:25:47 stay away from spark plug&cable. use breaker impulse (one cyl?), and FILTER FILTER FILTER and clamp Jul 17 19:26:20 then filter once more Jul 17 19:26:27 DocScrutinizer: single cylinder, four stroke. Jul 17 19:26:32 k Jul 17 19:26:47 breaker impulse? Jul 17 19:26:50 so 1 pulse = 2 rotations Jul 17 19:27:04 the contact that triggers spark Jul 17 19:27:15 ah, k Jul 17 19:27:17 usually engaged by an excenter Jul 17 19:27:38 I was thinking about induction to capture the frequency Jul 17 19:28:13 so wrapping a bunch of times around the wire, so I don't need to open up the wire Jul 17 19:28:13 Can I disable packet data internet access and tell the N900 not always to ask if it is allowed to connect (but only connect if I ask for a connection)? Jul 17 19:28:13 could do, but for sure much more hassle to filter Jul 17 19:28:47 rd: that's the default Jul 17 19:28:52 DocScrutinizer: I'm going to get a digital osciloscope from school and see what signal I'm getting Jul 17 19:29:19 happy bashing when bringing back the somked up scope ;-P Jul 17 19:29:33 you think it'll die? Jul 17 19:29:44 prepare for kV spikes Jul 17 19:29:52 that's why I said Jul 17 19:29:56 hmm Jul 17 19:30:11 FILTER FILTER FILTER and clamp Jul 17 19:30:20 well, I can get an industrial analogue one if required :P Jul 17 19:30:50 won't make any diff, scopes usually are up to 25V input or somesuch Jul 17 19:31:16 FILTER FILTER FILTER and clamp Jul 17 19:31:25 you'd at very least need a high volt probe, preferrably 500:1 Jul 17 19:31:39 that sounds like a dodgy dance routine Jul 17 19:31:51 I know we used that scope to measure things upwards of 8kV Jul 17 19:32:03 crashanddie, take photographs of your face, get estimate of speed by processing and how far your cheeks are flapping Jul 17 19:32:06 though the precision is pretty crap Jul 17 19:32:08 k, so you're safe if use correctly Jul 17 19:32:21 lcuk: speed is fine, it's RPM and MPG I want. Jul 17 19:32:45 do bikes have the same kind of interface cars have? Jul 17 19:33:04 lcuk, lmao @ both comments Jul 17 19:33:17 crashanddie: can't you attach a wire to one end of ignition coil? Jul 17 19:33:26 DocScrutinizer: could do Jul 17 19:33:33 NOT the spark end! Jul 17 19:33:36 wouldnt he be better using the data on the console Jul 17 19:33:46 ie doesnt it have a rev meter and speedo Jul 17 19:34:01 it does have rev counter on the data, but no idea how to access it Jul 17 19:34:09 I've been googling but no-one reverse-engineered it Jul 17 19:34:14 seems no, otherwise he wouldn't try to build his own? Jul 17 19:34:14 hmm, my n900 is turning itself on 0_o Jul 17 19:34:18 apparently it's just a read-only eprom. Jul 17 19:34:20 b-man: ofc Jul 17 19:34:22 kinky Jul 17 19:34:36 b-man: just like all Maemo devices, it needs to be on to charge battery Jul 17 19:34:47 lcuk: though, I don't know how often it's updated Jul 17 19:34:53 it's not on the charger Jul 17 19:35:11 crashanddie: on cnsole RPM meter there are 3 wires, one of them has a pretty nice RPM signal Jul 17 19:35:23 I strongly advice to use that one Jul 17 19:35:30 hmm Jul 17 19:35:41 then I just need to figure out some math to calculate the mileage. Jul 17 19:35:59 b-man, aliens Jul 17 19:36:08 OK, I need to get some testing equipment and see what kind of signals I'm getting Jul 17 19:36:08 lol Jul 17 19:37:33 crashanddie, still, you could place a moisture sensor in your seat - once you reach lightspeed you will start to wet your pants Jul 17 19:37:33 Hello, I juste plug to the sector My N900 which shut down because of low battery 5 day ago (and have not been reloaded since) Jul 17 19:37:59 lcuk: I'm wetting myself (and worse) more than once a day on it :P I'm such a noob rider :D Jul 17 19:38:06 A static yellow diode is on. but the phone refuse to boot. should I worry ? Jul 17 19:38:22 marmoute, just give it some time to charge a bit Jul 17 19:38:45 marmoute: static means it's in "pre-charge" mode. It will last for 32 minutes, then re-plug the charger. Keep doing that until the yellow diode blinks. Jul 17 19:39:02 lcuk: I'm lucky to have a top case, clean undies every red light :P Jul 17 19:39:18 crashanddie, i bet, motorbikes are awesome but scary Jul 17 19:40:16 lcuk: actually, girlfriend and I are planning to get our licence and then go all the way to India :) Jul 17 19:40:33 is that because you are too scared to press the brake? Jul 17 19:40:34 crashanddie: Ok so I keep it plugged and un-plug re-plug from time to time until it blink Jul 17 19:41:11 lcuk: nha, just that drivers in France are crazy. Red lights and stop signs are optional, it woudl seem Jul 17 19:41:14 Stskeeps: ping Jul 17 19:41:31 lcuk: when driving a car, I wasn't too afraid to force my right-of-way, but on a bike it's a whole different story. Jul 17 19:41:31 crashanddie, thats the same wherever Jul 17 19:41:38 but yeah france is worsersererererere Jul 17 19:41:41 * marmoute is hapy as his N900 is alreaddy blinking and bootinh Jul 17 19:42:37 Good evening everyone Jul 17 19:42:45 Has anyone tested NuvoFre 1.10 yet? Jul 17 19:42:53 never heard ofi t Jul 17 19:43:17 luke-jr doesn't read maemo.org news Jul 17 19:43:28 ah okay, it was todays maemo.org news Jul 17 19:43:40 nope Jul 17 19:43:48 maemo.org news is usally worthless IMO Jul 17 19:44:03 i might need to give a test but would be nice to know first if anyone has tried it Jul 17 19:45:15 luke-jr, if the news does not suit you, then make/find/submit news that does suit Jul 17 19:45:26 like slashdot, its all based on submissions from users Jul 17 19:46:19 well said, lcuk Jul 17 19:46:34 Why when i want to select a specific word the maemo select all text anyone knows Jul 17 19:46:54 dr34m: [2010-07-17 21:41:41] * marmoute is hapy as his N900 is alreaddy blinking and bootinh Jul 17 19:47:02 lcuk: ... or I can just not read it. much faster. Jul 17 19:47:51 unknown2030, in which mode you are trying to select text ? Jul 17 19:47:57 luke-jr, sure you could, but it would be nice to not hear you moan that its crap when you dont actively do anything to help it Jul 17 19:48:05 With the pencil Jul 17 19:48:18 Im using n810 Jul 17 19:48:34 unknown2030, on which application Jul 17 19:48:43 afaik, text selection (using the stylus) used to work Jul 17 19:48:51 yea, that was what im supposed to ask Jul 17 19:48:51 I at least love the maemo.org news. Always a pleasure to read every day to see what is new :) Jul 17 19:48:53 lol Jul 17 19:49:08 lcuk: the news I would submit would be no doubt boring to regular readers Jul 17 19:49:22 I mean, how many N900 owners care that I have a GCC 4.4 built kernel for N900? Jul 17 19:49:25 without submitting it you will never know Jul 17 19:49:29 i do Jul 17 19:49:35 on gentoo Jul 17 19:49:37 i think your gentoo stuff is cool Jul 17 19:49:43 DocScrutinizer: it boots Maemo Jul 17 19:49:51 brb Jul 17 19:49:56 Pidgin, terminal, notes Jul 17 19:50:25 unknown2030: odd Jul 17 19:50:35 lcuk: I suspect people who care are a minority; I posted a N810 kernel to talk once and nobody seemed to care but like 2 people Jul 17 19:51:16 its strange Jul 17 19:51:16 which is fine. I'm not complaining. Jul 17 19:51:17 unknown2030: works like charm here Jul 17 19:51:29 in xterm Jul 17 19:51:40 just not interested in spending time telling people who don't care to hear about it. :p Jul 17 19:51:59 luke-jr: I see :-P Jul 17 19:52:07 luke-jr, then do it for yourself in 12 months time Jul 17 19:52:11 Charm ;;; Jul 17 19:52:17 heh Jul 17 19:57:49 DocScrutinizer: are you on gentoo? Jul 17 19:58:00 me? nah Jul 17 19:58:08 I'm afk Jul 17 19:58:17 I hate my n810 i need to reboot it Jul 17 19:58:30 lol Jul 17 19:58:32 How i can backup all Jul 17 19:58:36 ... Jul 17 19:58:45 you mean flash it? Jul 17 19:58:53 Yes i Jul 17 19:59:45 luke-jr: The SNR on Talk means getting the intellectual elite of the Maemo community to see something is a little tricky Jul 17 19:59:58 unknown2030: try drawing app to make sure touchscreen calib is ok Jul 17 20:01:05 The touchscreen it works Jul 17 20:03:24 When you are in notes and want to select a word and highlight only press the stylus or finger one time and select it in my case select all the text area Jul 17 20:03:25 so your problem description is lil fuzzy Jul 17 20:03:52 mhm Jul 17 20:04:31 when I set stylus to e.g xterm it does nothing until I start to drag Jul 17 20:04:36 jaffa, bullpoo - thats just an excuse not to post there by putting yourself above it! you participate in threads as highlighted and with more eyes you should hear more. Jul 17 20:04:58 i dont think any one person can monitor everything though you are right Jul 17 20:06:09 jaffa, any large forum is similar and its only going to get *worse* not better in meego when you have people discussing the same thing on different UXes Jul 17 20:09:55 Or when you press ctrl + a select all text happen the seme when i try to select a word Jul 17 20:12:55 maybe you should get n900 :D Jul 17 20:13:05 Hehehehe Jul 17 20:13:17 How i can do a / backup Jul 17 20:15:23 what does the sharing-service-ftp package do? Jul 17 20:17:22 BCMM, at a guess it allows you to share with a configurable ftp server... Jul 17 20:31:03 luke-jr: you have ebuilds for freeswitch on gentoo? Jul 17 20:55:11 If I attempt to update using NSU, will I be able to reflash maemo and not lose anything, and keep everything intact. Its only to fix the media player :( Jul 17 20:56:47 what are the right Qt libraries to use: libqt4-* or libqt4-maemo5-* ??? Because in Scratchbox both packages are available but if I remember well one is deprecated... Jul 17 21:04:03 zzztrumee: old versions Jul 17 21:04:51 NSU is pretty evil I've heard Jul 17 21:06:49 ShadowJK :( It just seems a shame having to completely reflash just to get the media player back. Surely there is a simpler way. Jul 17 21:07:03 I have just got my N900 setup just the way I want it Jul 17 21:08:01 Did you try install mp-fremantle-generic-pr? Jul 17 21:08:09 luke-jr: ok, i am going to compile from source then. Jul 17 21:08:37 ShadowJK - Yeah, it said the package isn't available or something like that Jul 17 21:09:47 :/ Jul 17 21:10:01 Did you spell it freemantle instead of fremantle? Jul 17 21:10:12 =nope Jul 17 21:10:20 apt-cache search mp-fremantle Jul 17 21:11:11 it returned a result Jul 17 21:11:26 First word of the result? :) Jul 17 21:11:32 mp-fremantle-203-pr Jul 17 21:11:52 203.... is that vodafone? Jul 17 21:12:18 Hm, well my phone is generic Jul 17 21:12:29 *N900 Jul 17 21:12:35 Well try install mp-fremantle-203-pr :P Jul 17 21:13:12 aha! Jul 17 21:13:28 :D !!!!!!!!! Jul 17 21:14:01 Its grabbing lots of stuff, and mediaplayer is one of the things! Jul 17 21:14:56 lcuk: I don't think the MeeGo community will look anything like the Maemo one. The fragmentation which afflicts the Android and iPhone "communities" (i.e. there's no cohesive, central mass around which everything gravitates) has already started. Jul 17 21:15:37 lcuk: This is either a side effect of being a mass-market proposition or subconsciously emulating the market leaders in the vague hopes that cargo culting them will lead to the same success :-/ Jul 17 21:16:27 It worked !!!!!!! Jul 17 21:16:43 Many many thanks ShadowJK - You have saved my N900 haha ;D Jul 17 21:18:06 Just out of curiousity, does that mean my N900 is from Vodafone? I got it from eBay Jul 17 21:19:07 technomike, I don't really remember, but I think 202 is UK and 203 is vodafone Jul 17 21:19:27 X-Fade: ping Jul 17 21:22:02 Ah, I see someone's already raised bug 10951 Jul 17 21:22:03 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10951 SSL certificate for bugs.maemo.org expired Jul 17 21:25:05 trumee: FreeSWITCH is a total mess Jul 17 21:25:15 luke-jr: you mean on gentoo? Jul 17 21:25:19 I mean in general. Jul 17 21:25:28 unfortunately, it's the FreeSWITCH project's policy to be so Jul 17 21:25:41 so they refused to merge my fixes Jul 17 21:26:31 luke-jr:no idea. i have been with asterisk until now. and N900 behaves quite badly with it. I want to try whether N900 behaves better with freeSWITCH. Jul 17 21:26:44 trumee: N900 works with Asterisk for me...? Jul 17 21:27:24 luke-jr: it doesnt work very well for unfortunately. The voice gets minced after few minutes into the call Jul 17 21:27:37 I only got that in one location I tried Jul 17 21:27:46 makes me think bandwidth or something Jul 17 21:27:51 luke-jr: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Jul 17 21:27:52 Bug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? Jul 17 21:28:04 ah, it works 100% fine over WLAN for me Jul 17 21:28:10 choppy audio was over 3G Jul 17 21:28:33 luke-jr: on the contrary i have good quality on 3g but choppy with WLAN :( Jul 17 21:29:07 lol Jul 17 21:29:15 what's with calling your VoIP peer an opponent? XD Jul 17 21:29:23 luke-jr: i dont know whose at fault, asterisk/N900/WLAN Jul 17 21:29:53 luke-jr: i trust WLAN, because it is running dd-wrt firmware. Jul 17 21:30:03 lol Jul 17 21:30:10 as if DD-Wrt is trustworthy ;) Jul 17 21:30:28 trumee: try disallow=all allow=ulaw Jul 17 21:30:32 luke-jr: hmm. i have tried tomato firmware as well. Jul 17 21:30:52 luke-jr: i dont want to use ulaw. i have licenses for g729. cant use g729 on 3g Jul 17 21:30:56 trumee: if your hardware is unsupported by Linux, no firmware will help Jul 17 21:31:22 luke-jr: what do you mean by "unsupported by Linux" Jul 17 21:31:43 trumee: I mean if you can't take code from kernel.org, build it, and run it on the router, it's irrelevant Jul 17 21:31:47 luke-jr: my WLAN is Linksys WRT54GL. Most linux hackers swear by it! Jul 17 21:31:59 hacks like DD-Wrt tend to use some proprietary Broadcom fork of Linux Jul 17 21:32:08 WRT54GL is not supported by Linux Jul 17 21:32:24 luke-jr: so what router is supported by linux? Jul 17 21:32:30 my La Fonera is, I think Jul 17 21:32:35 but I'm not sure they make that model anymore Jul 17 21:32:39 no idea on the newer ones Jul 17 21:33:03 RouterBoard probably is, but I've heard rumours to the contrary Jul 17 21:33:39 luke-jr: ok so there is hardly anything on the market which is supported then Jul 17 21:33:55 trumee: depends what market Jul 17 21:34:05 trumee: RouterBoard is certainly on the global market Jul 17 21:34:23 IIRC the company that sponsors DD-Wrt might be supported, but no idea really Jul 17 21:37:13 ShadowJK - Huge thanks again for that, really appreciated :) Jul 17 21:37:38 technomike, I'm glad I could help :) Jul 17 21:37:53 http://mynokiablog.com/2010/07/17/how-to-hold-your-nokia-n900-and-make-it-drop-calls/ Jul 17 21:40:03 Noma: well, then they should explain to me why can't i hold the n900 with my right hand when on 3g Jul 17 21:40:08 :| Jul 17 21:40:24 Haha Noma - Never had that problem tbh but see how it could happen Jul 17 21:44:22 who asked what's the use of video skype when no other device can be far end? Dude, ask Steve if you may join in on facetime, maybe he has shares on Nokia and thinks it's a good idea Jul 17 21:45:07 no, i'm serious, how do you hold the n900 with both hands without having the signal drop to crap?? Jul 17 21:46:33 sp3000: cool Jul 17 21:47:24 kerio, don't really have that problem here. just tried Jul 17 21:47:41 neither do i Jul 17 21:49:44 Noma: that doesn't work in Maemo I think Jul 17 21:49:52 just pressing the off button just pops up a menu on mine Jul 17 21:50:03 signal drop on righthand is real Jul 17 21:50:04 you just have to press it longer Jul 17 21:50:12 have that all the time Jul 17 21:50:13 DocScrutinizer51: if I want to make a N900-to-N900 video call, I can use XMPP :) Jul 17 21:50:29 DocScrutinizer51: you're holding it wrong Jul 17 21:50:37 fsck Jul 17 21:50:49 portrait mode is wrong Jul 17 21:51:05 only landscape mode should be supported! :P Jul 17 21:51:13 knew I should lay it on desk and type with my nose Jul 17 21:51:29 heh Jul 17 21:51:35 speaking of which, the N900 stand SUCKS Jul 17 21:51:55 if you try to type, it flops over Jul 17 21:51:59 it's not a stand, it's a hook-hanger :D Jul 17 21:52:03 what was wrong with N810's? Jul 17 21:52:06 just my nose hates it Jul 17 21:52:23 I mean, besides the ports being blocks Jul 17 21:52:26 blocked Jul 17 21:52:53 of course, if they used the superior clamshell (see C760) design, they wouldn't *need* a stand... Jul 17 21:54:14 should I bother to view that youtube to learn how to hold it the wrong why even better?? Jul 17 21:55:36 Guys, any ideas how to get an equaliser on the N900 - and not MAFW Equaliser, because thats what caused those problems I had before haha Jul 17 21:55:50 Just asking incase you know of anything :) Jul 17 21:56:52 hmm, MAFW equalizer? Jul 17 21:57:06 never heard of it, is it new? Jul 17 21:58:24 kerio: Hold it in right hand, with thumb and index finger at top edge. Don't hold the hand low, covering all of the lover edge (keep hand out of mounth, don't talk into the hand) Jul 17 21:58:51 hno: ok Jul 17 21:59:02 now explain to me how do i hold the n900 with my right hand in a way that i can *use* it Jul 17 21:59:16 you know, with my right thumb Jul 17 21:59:19 i like my right thumb Jul 17 21:59:20 kerio, if I'm at home, 3g signal drops if I hold device on landscape with both hands tightly. I am, however, 9 kilometres from the 3g tower, and I'm not supposed to get 3g at all :) Jul 17 22:00:15 When I'm town, there's pretty much no way I can make it lose signal :/ Jul 17 22:00:47 i can Jul 17 22:01:23 MohammadAG - It actually works well when its working ok, but it has high CPU usage, and has lots of bugs and makes multitasking impossible, and often causes sound distortions Jul 17 22:01:26 kerio: It's hard to use the navigate the screen with one hand without signal drop. Pretty much the same for left & right hand even if somewhat worse for right hand. Jul 17 22:01:27 if i hold it tightly with my hands then i can make it switch to 2g Jul 17 22:01:47 The 3g network here is much more sparse than the 2g :/ Jul 17 22:01:55 MUhahaha ""Nokia invested 1000s of manhours in studying how people hold their phone on calls hering music blabla"" typing texts bothanded into xchat??? obviously no!! fsckng hell Jul 17 22:02:06 MohammadAG - Did you see what I just typed? Jul 17 22:02:09 3g has like half the range of 2g, and the 3g transmitters are twice as sparse too :/ Jul 17 22:02:09 In reply Jul 17 22:02:23 * MohammadAG_ Jul 17 22:02:25 no, my router is being retarded Jul 17 22:02:30 MohammadAG - It actually works well when its working ok, but it has high CPU usage, and has lots of bugs and makes multitasking impossible, and often causes sound distortions Jul 17 22:02:32 kerio: Same problem in landscape mode if holding the phone with both hands naturally covering both short edges fully. Jul 17 22:02:44 meh, not for me then Jul 17 22:02:57 MohammadAG_ - http://www.my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=MAFW_Equalizer&fldAuto=1475&faq=34 Jul 17 22:03:32 well, 3g is a problem Jul 17 22:03:55 and here they use 900MHz 3g.. the problem is twice as big with 2100MHz 3g :-) Jul 17 22:04:34 so, we all switch to 2g Jul 17 22:04:39 as a protest Jul 17 22:04:41 as I say: holding N900 bothhanded frequently drops my 3G Jul 17 22:05:12 uhmm Jul 17 22:05:17 Like, even if the operator swaps out all their 900 MHz 2g-only towers to dualmode 2g/3g 900MHz towers, it'll still not be enough to create 3g coverage as good as 2g :/ Jul 17 22:05:25 DocScrutinizer: it happens here too :( Jul 17 22:05:27 And 2g coverage here is like full bars all the time Jul 17 22:05:27 DocScrutinizer51, hold it with your right hand Jul 17 22:05:32 Can't believe 4G is finally released! Well, not fully. But apparently its in a few major cities in the USA which is also a shock that its released in USA so soon Jul 17 22:05:38 never happens in the city btw Jul 17 22:05:39 never noted any drop of connection speed holding bothhanded my n900 Jul 17 22:05:44 in IL I can't get it to drop, in JO, it happens in low signal areas Jul 17 22:05:48 4g? Jul 17 22:05:49 * ShadowJK is actually ircing on "4g" Jul 17 22:05:49 wimax? Jul 17 22:05:52 DocScrutinizer51: Not uncommon. Jul 17 22:05:53 yeah Jul 17 22:06:01 jacekowski, yes Jul 17 22:06:04 well, wimax is like 10 years old technology Jul 17 22:06:04 MohammadAG_: fool! it's the right hand that detunes the antenna Jul 17 22:06:04 Got WiMax here too, quite crappy Jul 17 22:06:09 Oh? Jul 17 22:06:16 over 10 years old Jul 17 22:06:22 Is it really fast? Jul 17 22:06:23 i think wimax is older than 3g Jul 17 22:06:25 Well, wimax is nicer than wifi and hsdpa :-) Jul 17 22:06:27 no Jul 17 22:06:30 Heh, I live in an odd place where 3G coverage is much better than 2G currently. Can barely use 2G at home, but 3G coverage is perfect. Jul 17 22:06:39 It has lower latency than hsdpa, and it is fairer than wifi Jul 17 22:06:43 my line in IL is faster Jul 17 22:06:45 wimax has certain advantages Jul 17 22:06:48 same speed though Jul 17 22:06:57 err, same plan etc Jul 17 22:06:58 Oh Jul 17 22:07:18 ShadowJK : anyway hsdpa latence isn't so bad Jul 17 22:07:23 ShadowJK: but unlike 2G, 3G is designed so you can run a home tower ;) Jul 17 22:07:31 I think 4G LTE is the thing we need to be waiting for Jul 17 22:07:36 technomike, does the equalizer always run? Jul 17 22:07:41 luke-jr - You can? Jul 17 22:07:44 LTE here too Jul 17 22:07:51 here 4g will never be developed i think Jul 17 22:07:51 I have fixed wimax. There's a satellite-dish shaped antenna mounted in a tower in my backyard (Yes, I my own personal antenna tower in my backyard), signal is great :-) Jul 17 22:07:59 s/4g/wimax Jul 17 22:08:09 MohammadAG_ - Yeah :( Jul 17 22:08:14 You cannot disable it Jul 17 22:08:14 if nokai had *really* such high competence in usability and RF design, they had built the 3G antenna to upper half of device, aka screen half Jul 17 22:08:20 ShadowJK : wimax or hyperlan? Jul 17 22:08:26 nextime, wimax Jul 17 22:08:31 technomike: technically. not legally most places Jul 17 22:08:37 DocScrutinizer51, hey, at least it works :P Jul 17 22:08:40 ShadowJK: where are you? Jul 17 22:08:48 luke-jr - Still cool though Jul 17 22:08:49 nextime, it's an alvarion receiver Jul 17 22:08:50 nope it doesnt Jul 17 22:08:54 nextime, .fi Jul 17 22:08:59 someone on IRC had his nick turn into a nick_____ because the iPhone kept dropping the connection Jul 17 22:09:08 ShadowJK : i have an alvarion too, but it is hyperlan :) Jul 17 22:09:31 buuuuuu Jul 17 22:09:34 i only have a fiber Jul 17 22:09:37 DocScrutinizer51: The antenna is optimized for using as a phone at your ear. Having it in the upper half do not work well in that use case. Jul 17 22:09:55 jacekowski : sadly no fiber to my home, i live too far away from the city Jul 17 22:09:56 i don't have any of that posh wireless stuff Jul 17 22:10:05 Not being a fanboy here, but I really don't get what all the hype and buzz is around the iPhone, it cannot do most smartphone features and can hardly cope with Bluetooth Jul 17 22:10:07 * MohammadAG_ suggests changing GSM specs to get rid of antennas Jul 17 22:10:13 Steve Jobs approves ^ Jul 17 22:10:14 Also having it there exposes you to more radiation Jul 17 22:10:21 anyway, i have an SHDSL and an hyperlan, so, i'm quite happy Jul 17 22:10:31 hno: obviousy. and still fools keep claiming 'it's no phone! itt's NO PHONE!!" Jul 17 22:10:40 technomike: it was a good phone Jul 17 22:10:48 technomike: and it has a great marketing Jul 17 22:10:56 THE N900 IS NOT A PHONE Jul 17 22:10:56 technomike: which in turn created great app store Jul 17 22:11:05 it's a traaaaaaaaaaaaaap Jul 17 22:11:06 heh Jul 17 22:11:23 i can install a cellular modem with voice support in my laptop, it doesn't make it a phone Jul 17 22:11:26 The N900 can also be used as a phone if you insist on it. Jul 17 22:11:33 kerio: it does Jul 17 22:11:35 tracker rapes my CPU :( Jul 17 22:11:44 kerio - Heh, well it has phone capability and I use it as a phone aswell as a mini-tablet-like-computer Jul 17 22:11:50 MohammadAG: at least it's not raping you Jul 17 22:12:09 jacekowski, hmm, so it rapes you? Jul 17 22:12:15 * MohammadAG purges tracker Jul 17 22:12:20 hno: I just heard it's even optimized for phone usage Jul 17 22:12:37 DocScrutinizer51: seriously? Jul 17 22:12:47 mumble, 00:12 and i have not yet finished my work. I go to write code, bye all. Jul 17 22:13:07 nextime, this is my internet connection: http://enivax.net/jk/wimax1.jpg Jul 17 22:13:08 hno: jacekowski obviously it's not optimized for NIT usage Jul 17 22:13:17 I only had to climb halfway up to get a perfect signal ;-) Jul 17 22:13:29 I guess that's rooftop height Jul 17 22:13:46 wimax ideally requires optical visibility Jul 17 22:13:47 (and yes, that's 20m "spare" cat5 I didn't feel like trimming) Jul 17 22:14:00 ShadowJK: ekhm Jul 17 22:14:09 ShadowJK: isn't that little bit like an overkill? Jul 17 22:14:29 The operator supplied 50m cable Jul 17 22:14:29 ShadowJK - Wow, does it work well, what speeds do you get? Jul 17 22:14:41 technomike: wimax is slow Jul 17 22:14:45 Oh :o Jul 17 22:14:58 So it doesn't live to all the hype ! Jul 17 22:15:02 well, depends on definition of slow Jul 17 22:15:10 it's not as fast as cable Jul 17 22:15:13 Well, I'm only subscribing to the 1M service Jul 17 22:15:28 but plain old 100Mbit/s ethernet is a lot faster Jul 17 22:15:38 but for a wireless Jul 17 22:15:43 well, it's not too bad Jul 17 22:15:51 DocScrutinizer51: Not for NIT usage by lefthanded people, or righthanded people liking to hold it with both hands.. Jul 17 22:16:03 geez Jul 17 22:16:05 But it's pretty damn solid. I get more bandwidth on HSDPA+, but HSDPA sometimes has 5 second latencies, sometimes 1 second, sometimes stalls, sometimes needs a reconnect, etc.. Jul 17 22:16:09 i'm going to sleep Jul 17 22:16:12 i'm getting old Jul 17 22:16:15 wimax is atleast pretty consistent in what it delivers Jul 17 22:16:16 I think in the future, mobile networks will just become ISPs, and we will use VoIP services or things like Skype to communicate Jul 17 22:16:22 What do you think? Jul 17 22:16:24 in other words, wimax feels very bug-free :-) Jul 17 22:16:47 technomike: future? Jul 17 22:16:49 it will change when you will get more users Jul 17 22:17:14 hno: I really wonder how YOU use the hw kbd Jul 17 22:17:29 technomike, you know, my landline telephone already runs over this wimax link. Company A supplies wimax. Company B used to supply telephone over copper wire with telephone number X. Company C now supplies VoIP over Company A's wimax to me, keeping my old telephone number X. :-) Jul 17 22:17:50 the N900 hw kbd is terrible Jul 17 22:17:53 worse than N810 even Jul 17 22:17:53 holding with left and typing with right middle finger?? Jul 17 22:18:22 DocScrutinizer51: Mostly on wlan when using the keyboard. Jul 17 22:18:23 luke-jr, it's nicer for some things, worse for other things Jul 17 22:18:37 * FauxFaux likes it. /o\ Jul 17 22:18:39 like, I love that I have $()\/ on hw keyboard, didn't have that on my N810 Jul 17 22:18:42 or probably in portait and typing with left thumb Jul 17 22:18:47 otoh, I no longer have <> :/ Jul 17 22:18:52 ShadowJK: I had them on N810 :p Jul 17 22:18:59 I didn't Jul 17 22:19:03 ShadowJK - Wow thats epic. Just shows how everything is going wireless too! Jul 17 22:19:12 but it's rather difficult to press keys Jul 17 22:19:14 The keyboard can be remapped if you like. Jul 17 22:19:15 on N900 Jul 17 22:19:32 technomike, it's only wireless because I'm too far to establish even a 128kbit adsl connection over copper wire Jul 17 22:19:45 :o Jul 17 22:19:49 Also, N810 had an Alt key Jul 17 22:19:55 the n900 is missing a ethernet-plug really Jul 17 22:19:56 :D Jul 17 22:19:57 and two Shifts Jul 17 22:20:20 The tower with the wimax basestation itself has no wired connectivity either. It has a microwave uplink to a master-tower 25km away from it :-) Jul 17 22:20:25 ShadowJK - In a remote-like area then or something? Jul 17 22:20:26 steinex: USB networking works fine for me. Jul 17 22:20:34 ShadowJK - Wow! Jul 17 22:21:13 fsck micrwave, IR laser ftw Jul 17 22:21:25 haha Jul 17 22:21:31 steinex: But sure, it's a little tricky to make the N900 available to the whole LAN that way, but definitely doable. Jul 17 22:21:42 technomike, it's not "remote" by finnish standards :) Jul 17 22:21:53 Ah :P Jul 17 22:22:16 technomike, you know finnish cellphone operators have basestations in areas where they can't even get power :-) Jul 17 22:22:38 :o Wow Jul 17 22:22:42 wtf Jul 17 22:22:45 solar power? Jul 17 22:22:48 Solar and wind Jul 17 22:22:52 Thats epic Jul 17 22:23:09 that's europe Jul 17 22:23:13 Finland, well it is home of Nokia afterall ;) Jul 17 22:23:22 solar power? in finland? Jul 17 22:23:29 hah Jul 17 22:23:32 in USA they never heard abot such things :-P Jul 17 22:23:38 i guess that makes up for all the sun we're wasting in italy :( Jul 17 22:23:53 They developed a "vertical" wind turbine for it, that can be mast mounted Jul 17 22:24:04 it doesn't have "wings" like normal wind powerplants Jul 17 22:24:38 looks more like an elongated screw Jul 17 22:24:43 a rotor Jul 17 22:24:51 yep Jul 17 22:24:55 looks like a drill :P Jul 17 22:25:04 saronius rotor or somesuch Jul 17 22:25:25 Also, when you take the ship and travel the sea over to sweden, you almost never lose reception Jul 17 22:25:30 DocScrutinizer51, Satorius ..was the name Jul 17 22:25:44 If there's a tiny rock out there, an operator will have built a basestation on it Jul 17 22:25:50 knew I was close :D Jul 17 22:27:32 heh RTL sent from a ship for years. Still something on a drill platform out there Jul 17 22:27:40 what happens if there's no wind for days? Jul 17 22:28:03 then earth refuses to keep rotating Jul 17 22:28:54 If the sun stops shining and the wind stops blowing, you lose coverage at sea and unsettled inland areas Jul 17 22:29:04 once the battery banks run out Jul 17 22:29:38 and then no more towawy service can be called for your sail ship Jul 17 22:29:57 muhaha Jul 17 22:30:33 hey everyone, can I manually copy maps from osm to maemo mapper/mappero on my N900? Where should I put them? Jul 17 22:30:38 DocScrutinizer51: the Earth doesn't rotate! Jul 17 22:30:38 DocScrutinizer: radio Jul 17 22:30:42 the Sun orbits Jul 17 22:30:45 those batteries usually are designed for 3 days worst case Jul 17 22:30:56 luke-jr: well, both Jul 17 22:31:28 and even dim daylight will recharge Jul 17 22:31:51 The land stations with grid power are supposed to have 4 hour battery backup here, I believe Jul 17 22:32:05 but I have no clue about the offgrid ones :) Jul 17 22:32:13 days Jul 17 22:33:05 one night is minimum for them to be of *any* use Jul 17 22:33:13 now take that * 10 Jul 17 22:33:14 They better not let me visit one of those places Jul 17 22:33:58 I already drooled when I saw the battery bank providing 24 hour backup for cellphone tower and 3000 landline exchange :P~ Jul 17 22:34:08 so let that be 3000W( Jul 17 22:34:14 WH Jul 17 22:34:20 The building had a big friggin charge port on the outside :D Jul 17 22:34:23 Fsck Wh Jul 17 22:35:37 maybe 10000 Jul 17 22:35:43 they have a semitruck with fuel tanks and a big generator to fastcharge their sites with during multiday outages :) Jul 17 22:35:47 one thing i like about all the ridiculous "green" obsession is it makes my batteries last longer 8) Jul 17 22:36:29 ShadowJK: primarily for first boot Jul 17 22:36:35 Although multiday outage scenario has become exponentially more unlikely after legislation made power companies economically liable for outages >1h Jul 17 22:37:10 ShadowJK: forced SLA? wtf? XD Jul 17 22:37:33 if people really needed that, they'd have paid for it upfront, rather than being forced to eat the costs Jul 17 22:37:46 luke-jr: green obsession?? Jul 17 22:38:39 luke-jr, well I for one hope it means my outlets will one day stop spewing fire and death during thunderstorms :D Jul 17 22:40:17 thinking about it even 60.000Wh are nothing special. Easily mounted in 1..2m^3 in a rural basestation Jul 17 22:40:20 lightning doesn't even have to hit the powerline, they turn out to be pretty awesome antenna to pick up the electromagnetical power of thunderstorms :) Jul 17 22:40:48 iirc the place I was at ate 50Amps at 48V Jul 17 22:41:02 so 2.4kW Jul 17 22:41:19 damn that's not a small basestation, was it? Jul 17 22:41:36 well.. mid 90s.. Jul 17 22:41:40 a normal BTS is more like 500...1000 max Jul 17 22:41:52 ABS MAX Jul 17 22:41:53 it did landlines too Jul 17 22:42:15 and maybe also NMT (1g) too Jul 17 22:42:20 yeah, and wasn't designed to run off green power (thanks for the term luke-jr ) Jul 17 22:42:31 DocScrutinizer: in the US, at least, every nutcase is worried about "global warming" and nonsense like that Jul 17 22:42:45 UHUH Jul 17 22:43:07 yeah, how can we speed up warming, so we can show off better our AC Jul 17 22:43:21 in our Hummer Jul 17 22:43:49 I have my first car with AC this summer Jul 17 22:44:00 According to fuelpad Jul 17 22:44:12 or do you mean they are worried about the rest of the world speaking about global warming? Jul 17 22:44:14 AC uses about as much extra power as winter tyres in snow :-) Jul 17 22:44:26 iow 10-20% or so :/ Jul 17 22:45:02 DocScrutinizer: I'm not sure the nutcasery is limited to the US Jul 17 22:46:06 nah, now I got what you're talking bout. "damn, they must be wrong with their global warming. where's the catch???" Jul 17 22:46:23 "those canadians are evil!" Jul 17 22:46:34 and those Europeans Jul 17 22:47:10 "so let's shake hands with China, and drill another hole in sea ground of mexican gulf" Jul 17 22:47:48 I always kew it. USA is pole position in green energy. Sure Jul 17 22:48:47 that's the reason you buy the fuel by the gallon for a dime. Nobody wants that shit anymore in USA, they have to make it cheap to sell it Jul 17 22:49:42 lol I wish Jul 17 22:49:48 like $3/gal here Jul 17 22:49:55 OMFG Jul 17 22:50:05 ~ping Jul 17 22:50:06 we are about same price for a L now Jul 17 22:50:06 ~pong Jul 17 22:50:14 however much a L is Jul 17 22:50:42 crazy Europeans and their backward decimal system :P Jul 17 22:50:55 two pints, for the dudes without any clue Jul 17 22:51:16 so a quart?\ Jul 17 22:51:30 why not just say a quart then? :) Jul 17 22:52:15 you may cnvert it to flOz if you like, I really don't care about explaining a litre Jul 17 22:52:33 you picked the wrong units to battle with Jul 17 22:52:48 pints, quarts, pottles, gallons, etc are far superior to litre nonsense Jul 17 22:53:01 sure Jul 17 22:53:10 but only if counted in tonal Jul 17 22:53:26 You have: 1 litre Jul 17 22:53:26 You want: gallons * 0.26417205 / 3.7854118 Jul 17 22:53:26 You have: Jul 17 22:53:28 or binary Jul 17 22:53:37 so approx 4x Jul 17 22:53:58 units is your friend Jul 17 22:54:14 ShadowJK: depends on who's gallon, imp or US? Jul 17 22:54:15 any one here tested gnumeric on N900? Jul 17 22:55:41 toggles_w: so what is that in galls? :p Jul 17 22:55:58 1t of water = 1m^3 = 1000L = 1000kg Jul 17 22:56:02 luke-jr: Unknown unit 'galls' Jul 17 22:56:17 dammit.. Jul 17 22:56:17 now please to that in gal, oz, feet, and inch, and pound Jul 17 22:56:45 then tell me US got any sane units Jul 17 22:57:07 DocScrutinizer: the yanks will bust your balls all day about how there system is better, in/oz/gal etc, but ask them what their country runs on... Jul 17 22:57:15 duel anyone? Jul 17 22:57:35 they will say $, the fact it's metric is proof it's better ;-) Jul 17 22:57:36 nobody has tips on where I can put the tiles of maemo mapper on my n900? The docs all say you can specify the cache location, but the option isn't there on the n900, so I wonder where it is by default so I can put the tiles in there myself Jul 17 22:57:52 #card Legendary Knight Hermos Jul 17 22:57:59 I don't want to use the maemo mapper builtin download thingy Jul 17 22:58:10 toggles_w: I don't even dare to ask them where's north in their hometown Jul 17 22:58:37 or of the earth is a ball Jul 17 22:58:40 if Jul 17 22:59:19 DocScrutinizer: they're not that scary, spent 10 years living there, most of them are good people as they say Jul 17 23:00:43 well maybe 50% of them. obviously at least 50% must have voted for bush though, TWO TIMES! Jul 17 23:00:47 toggles_w: 1 US gallon = ~1.1448 galls Jul 17 23:01:14 toggles_w: $ isn't metric Jul 17 23:01:15 luke-jr: thanks, can you put in a patch for units? ;-) Jul 17 23:01:25 luke-jr: ok, base 10 Jul 17 23:01:25 toggles_w: nfc what units is Jul 17 23:01:32 toggles_w: and that's why $ sucks Jul 17 23:01:40 luke-jr: apt-get units Jul 17 23:01:46 I don't want to :P Jul 17 23:01:53 ;-) Jul 17 23:01:55 need src to patch Jul 17 23:02:22 luke-jr: apt-get source units Jul 17 23:02:29 I use Gentoo Jul 17 23:02:39 luke-jr: emerge units Jul 17 23:02:42 with tonal extensions Jul 17 23:03:01 -.- Jul 17 23:03:12 ;-) Jul 17 23:03:42 night guys, bed time, i'm going to fling myself off the alps tomorrow.. Jul 17 23:04:21 cool - enjoy! beware of the thunderstorms and their devil thermics Jul 17 23:04:35 will do Jul 17 23:05:04 otherwise you'll land in my garden, not any time aerlier than that Jul 17 23:05:45 toggles_w: can't find source repo, so no :P Jul 17 23:08:16 toggles_w: well, maybe on 30.000ft it's more confortable than down at ground level, so make the best of it ;-D Jul 17 23:13:31 my N900 keeps forgetting time at reboots :S Jul 17 23:14:26 MohammadAG: on reboots or on removing battery? Jul 17 23:16:05 hmm, removing batteries Jul 17 23:17:09 that seems normal. Obviously Nokia is using same crappy hitachi backup LiIon cell we did on Openmoko. Break after 6 months from manuf date, for 90% of devices Jul 17 23:17:36 so no way to survive bat removal of >xx seconds Jul 17 23:18:23 also I found swapping SIM actually causes N900 to discard any RTC and ask for date/time/lang/locale Jul 17 23:18:26 DocScrutinizer, can it be replaced? Jul 17 23:18:34 yeah, I know about the SIM part Jul 17 23:18:45 sure, if you find anything better, and a dude to solder it Jul 17 23:19:00 nah, I can solder it myself, I'm 7331 Jul 17 23:19:16 ~mohammadag Jul 17 23:19:17 mohammadag is probably special Jul 17 23:21:02 I can't recommend it. It's rather nasty to replace that cell, and you get same crap again, so 6 months later you got same shit. Probably faster, depending on your soldering skills, as the cells seem not to stand the high temperatures despite they are built to do Jul 17 23:21:39 or.. i could blame ubuntu Jul 17 23:21:55 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Jul 17 23:22:03 maaaaybe Jul 17 23:22:16 it might be crapping around with the RTC Jul 17 23:22:22 yup Jul 17 23:23:40 but then buntkuh has no maens to detect battery removal Jul 17 23:23:56 so you could easily tell apart Jul 17 23:24:29 [2010-07-18 01:14:26] MohammadAG: on reboots or on removing battery? Jul 17 23:25:27 well, I removed the battery, the N900 booted ubuntu instead of maemo Jul 17 23:25:38 multiboot does that for some reason Jul 17 23:25:59 My N900 often asks for date/time/lang/locale, but the values presented are always correct Jul 17 23:26:06 if it's bupbat, my recommendation is to use a primary cell like AG13 or somesuch, preferrably Litium 3V Jul 17 23:26:14 the values here are always wrong Jul 17 23:26:22 1 Jan 2009 Jul 17 23:26:27 or was it jun Jul 17 23:26:42 charging primary lithium is ultrabad idea :-) Jul 17 23:26:56 it won't charge Jul 17 23:27:01 charging AG13 is fine, you just get acid splatter :D Jul 17 23:27:06 charge voltage is 2.5V Jul 17 23:27:29 also charging current is ~100uA Jul 17 23:27:38 can Nokia change this under warranty? :) Jul 17 23:27:46 should Jul 17 23:28:11 hmm, I don't want a broken power button, nvm Jul 17 23:28:18 LOL Jul 17 23:28:32 it's 7331 Jul 17 23:29:07 yeah, at least good ol' stevy won't be able to shut it down from the side and say "hey, if you death grip it it drops the whole OS" Jul 17 23:29:11 nobody but you knows how to power up the device :-P Jul 17 23:29:18 that too Jul 17 23:29:18 xD Jul 17 23:29:46 though tbh I haven't powered off in some time Jul 17 23:29:54 R&D mode seems to cause conflicts Jul 17 23:30:00 the device always powers on if I shut it down Jul 17 23:30:07 LOL Jul 17 23:30:24 it's a *feature* Jul 17 23:30:32 yeah, an annoying one Jul 17 23:31:09 k, gonna nail a router in the head, brb Jul 17 23:31:18 mohammadAG, is gnumeric optified yet? Jul 17 23:31:38 flasher --set-rd-options="force-poweron=0" Jul 17 23:32:24 you'll work out the right syntax Jul 17 23:33:32 flasher --clear-rd-flags Jul 17 23:33:52 cuse Jul 17 23:34:22 mohammadAG, because I think you are the one who ported it, right? Jul 17 23:35:00 mohammadAG, oops, seems not.. sorry Jul 17 23:35:22 does anyone know with the n900 how to splice a micro-usb connector to the travel chrager..it seems that just doing the red/black does not provide enough for it to charge? Jul 17 23:35:50 You probably need to short out those other things that I can't remember. Jul 17 23:36:58 so i'm ssh'd into my friend's N900 who had just flashed pr1.2, and when running apt-get dist-upgrade i get this... Jul 17 23:36:59 http://pastie.org/1048904 Jul 17 23:37:08 you mean the green/white Jul 17 23:37:10 any ideas how that is possible? 0o Jul 17 23:38:03 swc|666: lol, awesome Jul 17 23:38:15 ColdFyre: short the white and green Jul 17 23:38:21 swc|666: I think he has something installed that conflicts ;) Jul 17 23:38:26 ok, here goes nothing... Jul 17 23:38:42 Yeah use app manager :) Jul 17 23:38:54 luke-jr, yeah its pretty much a fresh install, just rootsh and titan's power kernel Jul 17 23:39:27 ColdFyre: what the hell are you doing? Jul 17 23:40:10 travel charger? Jul 17 23:40:24 THE travel charger? Jul 17 23:40:34 PCOW Jul 17 23:40:45 you are aware you need a stabilized 5.0V for that ? Jul 17 23:41:08 travel charger=wall charger Jul 17 23:41:16 swc|666: flashing PR1.2 doesn't uninstall 3rd party apps IIRC Jul 17 23:41:25 it *has* a micro-usb afaik :-P Jul 17 23:41:26 ColdFyre, which wall charger? Jul 17 23:41:40 the usb connector broke Jul 17 23:41:45 ooops Jul 17 23:41:48 the charger that outputs 5dvdc Jul 17 23:42:10 just connect all 4 wires to the ones comming from Nokia wallcharger Jul 17 23:42:13 ColdFyre, did the port on N900 break, or did the connector on the cable of the charger, that came with N900, break? Jul 17 23:42:28 just the cable Jul 17 23:42:48 the cable was flexed too much Jul 17 23:42:53 Well in that case do what DocScrutinizer says Jul 17 23:42:59 i did, it works :) Jul 17 23:43:10 :-D Jul 17 23:43:26 Just making sure you're not trying to connect the charger directly to the battery, becuase that would be Very Bad(TM) Jul 17 23:43:44 ohhh no... Jul 17 23:43:52 not really Jul 17 23:44:06 you can even survive it Jul 17 23:44:12 lo Jul 17 23:44:13 lol Jul 17 23:44:33 Well, yeah it's survivable.. Jul 17 23:44:34 i try not to break/burn stuff Jul 17 23:44:40 But it's not pleasant Jul 17 23:45:03 really bad would be to connect micro-usb to an old style barrel connector type charger Jul 17 23:45:38 Oh? Wouldn't bq24150 raise fault for input overvolt? :) Jul 17 23:46:00 though, as I know Nokia devices, N900 should just yell and display "wrong charger Overvoltage!!" Jul 17 23:46:24 in the process of this splicing, i did make the new charger cable about 20 feet in length Jul 17 23:46:46 DocScrutinizer, "Not Charging" :P Jul 17 23:46:52 handy for extended N900fly sessions Jul 17 23:47:36 it is almost as long as the cord for my vacuum cleaner Jul 17 23:47:50 well, my old y2k 6210 said "Wrong Charger!" when connected to 12V :-P Jul 17 23:48:08 is that in english locale or german locale? :P Jul 17 23:48:18 english :-D Jul 17 23:48:23 iirc Jul 17 23:48:44 in German it'd be too long Jul 17 23:48:59 It's kinda amusing how you can gain more details from Nokia devices by re-running tests in as many languages as you know :) Jul 17 23:49:02 "falsches Ladegeraet!" Jul 17 23:50:29 LANG=C means Finnish for Nokia. en_US is just a 3rd class language to them, sparsely supported :-P Jul 17 23:52:02 * DocScrutinizer mumbles "recharge BLS-2N" Jul 17 23:52:05 hah Jul 17 23:53:34 meh, recovery charge. 6210 won't boot Jul 17 23:53:43 not even on 9V :-P Jul 17 23:54:00 see? problem isn't that new Jul 17 23:54:03 step it to 240 Jul 17 23:54:48 I'll wait another hour, till daily thunderstorm. Then place it on roof Jul 17 23:55:10 lol Jul 17 23:55:11 hook it to the lhc Jul 17 23:55:17 thunderstorms suck :/ Jul 17 23:55:27 FUN!! Jul 17 23:55:35 I *love* lighning Jul 17 23:55:39 I adore it Jul 17 23:56:07 until is strikes your pet frogs :( Jul 17 23:56:34 still trying to find out about correctness of the info that lighning bolts emit neutrons, due to fusion reactions Jul 17 23:56:46 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxzklQDQb-E lightning when contained is fun :) Jul 17 23:58:20 on 10 mio °C one or two hydrogen atoms may actually consider joining their lives Jul 17 23:59:35 So like, um.. good luck detecting these neutrons? Jul 17 23:59:43 but 30.000°C seem a lil low for Hydrogen fusion Jul 18 00:00:19 only a few hundred metres of humid air between supposed miniscule fusion and you with detector? :P Jul 18 00:05:07 ShadowJK, I want that tesla thing running via USB on the N900 Jul 18 00:05:10 kthxbye Jul 18 00:05:15 ShadowJK: sure. I'll not try to detect the neutrons by myself. Just trying to learn more Jul 18 00:05:25 MohammadAG, yeah Jul 18 00:05:46 MohammadAG, I wonder how much those guys want to perform? :) Jul 18 00:06:13 lol probably not much :P Jul 18 00:06:45 ShadowJK, you can do it yourself, if you have the coil :P Jul 18 00:06:55 we need something like this Jul 18 00:06:55 http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/graffiti-for-android-scribbles-palm-os-memories-all-over-google/ Jul 18 00:07:22 * DocScrutinizer burps Jul 18 00:08:26 MohammadAG, I'm not an artist Jul 18 00:08:54 huh strange since earlier today i have a weird led blink pattern sometimes (i didnt edited mce.init) Jul 18 00:09:04 ShadowJK, no one is born an artist :P Jul 18 00:09:26 sawtooth full white dimming a bit going full white again Jul 18 00:10:19 MohammadAG, OK, let's put it this way: I think the cost of one performance from these guys is less than the cost of building my own tesla coils complete with aparatus for modulation and midi control Jul 18 00:10:21 no idea whats causing it Jul 18 00:11:32 cehteh: strange Jul 18 00:13:46 never seen that Jul 18 00:13:56 guess i just reboot Jul 18 00:14:10 i have no such pattern in mce.ini Jul 18 00:14:37 * DocScrutinizer suggests testing all available patterns that claim to be white (rgb), via dbus-send Jul 18 00:14:46 i know my patterns Jul 18 00:14:48 ooh Jul 18 00:15:25 so somebody hacked your LP5523? :-P Jul 18 00:15:45 is it smbus? Jul 18 00:15:52 I2C Jul 18 00:16:17 * cehteh rather suspects a mce hickup Jul 18 00:16:29 mce IS a hickup Jul 18 00:16:31 i2c...smbus.. Jul 18 00:16:42 yea Jul 18 00:18:14 ok rebooted, lets see if that happens again Jul 18 00:18:22 and btw there might be leftovers from e.g NOLO inside LP5523, if mce 'forgets' to init it again Jul 18 00:18:50 or some race when it pushes a new pattern Jul 18 00:18:57 could easily be a repeated powerup scheme Jul 18 00:20:11 how do you test a pattern with dbus-send? Jul 18 00:20:15 or my device starts to become self aware and wants to send me a message :) Jul 18 00:20:28 * DocScrutinizer curses lp5523 driver for not reading out progarm area of the chip Jul 18 00:20:29 you can test them in xchat too :P Jul 18 00:20:39 with my plugin one can test all patterns :) Jul 18 00:21:37 * DocScrutinizer curses cehteh for xchat LED abuse and missing GUI for doing /notify_mode -L Jul 18 00:22:00 hehe Jul 18 00:22:10 send patches Jul 18 00:22:30 pissed me off for days now, until ShadowJK told me the 'trick' - WTF! Jul 18 00:22:53 heh Jul 18 00:22:54 patch on patch: s/+/-/ Jul 18 00:23:15 it has a config file and buildin help Jul 18 00:23:36 pff buildin help - I see, I see Jul 18 00:24:06 and last i added configureable defaults for a packager Jul 18 00:24:28 guess youll never be happy Jul 18 00:24:54 fact is: I copied over *ALL* .xchat2/* to new machine, after installing xchat, and it acted up on me Jul 18 00:25:03 >:-( Jul 18 00:26:16 I simply do not want new options enabled by default, on a app update. Esp if there's no obvious simple way to deal with them Jul 18 00:26:44 :P Jul 18 00:28:10 really got angry on that flashing blue all day long, and even more after going thru all possible config option in setup, just to learn I wasted an hour of my time for nuttin Jul 18 00:29:13 base^('I knew it' factor) Jul 18 00:31:21 you just didnt rtfm Jul 18 00:31:40 ftfm Jul 18 00:33:01 couldn't be bothered to rtfm for an "update" I was *forced* to install, after I knew for month I don't like it and refused it until there was no other option. Hell I *know* TFM Jul 18 00:34:30 and still nobody cares to make a xchat+pythonplugin available, though that would be really an alternatve worth to get a second package, while that LED 'shit' just needed a correct default setup Jul 18 00:35:45 Imean, I don't care if you ship a xchat.cfg with that version that has LED enabled. But WTF I used my old nice config and it gave me LED. that's WRONG Jul 18 00:36:29 absolutely wrong Jul 18 00:39:23 best joke on that topic: even RST38h got issues with blue blinking LED lately Jul 18 00:39:54 which he couldn't figure where they come from Jul 18 00:41:15 the settings are not in the fm. Jul 18 00:41:27 fm? Jul 18 00:41:33 fine manual Jul 18 00:41:41 LOL!! Jul 18 00:42:01 You would only know it had you followed the xchat on N900 thread on tmo. :) Jul 18 00:42:06 * DocScrutinizer feeds a megaton of RTFM to cehteh Jul 18 00:43:02 It's a wonderful feature, but I got so pissed off at it never doing what I wanted, so many times, that the command for controlling it was ethced into my brain Jul 18 00:43:07 learning through pain Jul 18 00:43:38 great! xchat masochist edition Jul 18 00:45:02 honestly, no new feature must ever default to on, when config is missing in configfile Jul 18 00:45:31 except *explicit* bugfixes maybe Jul 18 00:45:45 and even then it's questionable Jul 18 00:46:01 as you might have installed your own fix that collides Jul 18 00:46:23 :) Jul 18 00:46:24 On the other hand, xchat plugins are pretty masochist to begin with Jul 18 00:46:24 in the not-first version, the popup maemo dialog and stuff was disabled by default, iirc :) Jul 18 00:48:10 just install irssi Jul 18 00:48:27 well I wonder why we got such crap like "flash icon in systray" in preferences GUI (which afaikt is completely null function), and otoh the LED which I'd consider a valid replacement isn't controllable at all via prefs GUI Jul 18 00:48:38 Macer: eat your irssi Jul 18 00:48:52 DocScrutinizer: :) Jul 18 00:49:13 the systray thing worked on N810 and might work on N900 if one installs that notification area thingy :/ Jul 18 00:49:40 haha Jul 18 00:49:51 DocScrutinizer: sorry. just grew fond of irssi Jul 18 00:49:53 aah, fait enough. Wasn't aware there's such thingy Jul 18 00:50:12 once everything is set up correctly it works greater than anything else i've ever tried Jul 18 00:50:15 fair* Jul 18 00:50:19 just don't get all the pointy clicky stuff Jul 18 00:50:54 I use xchat as an interface to irssi's proxy module Jul 18 00:51:05 well I never will accidentally answer in wrong channel anyway, when using xchat Jul 18 00:51:19 anyway Jul 18 00:51:38 Not sure how to do that in irssi either :-) Jul 18 00:52:07 it just seems to do sensible things on itself, like creating a new window for each new channel Jul 18 00:52:39 heh Jul 18 00:52:49 But then again my expectations are probably somewhat low. I got introduced to CLI IRC clients with ircII-epic :-( Jul 18 00:52:49 I never gave irssi a try, as on terminal I do terminal stuff, not chat. In reverse conclusion I don't need a terminal in my irc client :-P Jul 18 00:53:28 DocScrutinizer: well. i'm a big fan of running it on my shell box at home and running screen and sshing to it Jul 18 00:53:42 i guess it is just one of those things that just stuck ;) Jul 18 00:54:05 it's as clumsy as can get. I'm using a bouncer as that's the right way to deal with that Jul 18 00:54:24 heh Jul 18 00:54:34 well.. the bouncer is still dependent on you being connected to it Jul 18 00:54:36 irssi is my bouncer :) Jul 18 00:54:42 ShadowJK: haha Jul 18 00:54:51 DocScrutinizer: no wai, Quassel! Jul 18 00:54:54 Macer: ooh so screen isn't? Jul 18 00:55:19 DocScrutinizer: i just meant that if you are not connected to the bouncer you will be disconnected from irc ;) Jul 18 00:55:31 nope I won't Jul 18 00:55:38 that's the point of a bouncer Jul 18 00:55:41 Macer: fail Jul 18 00:55:54 i thought bouncers did just that Jul 18 00:56:00 well, except buffer playback of course Jul 18 00:56:03 bounced you off another box to the ircd Jul 18 00:56:06 I remember trying to collaborate with someone at university, the computer halls were so full he only found a free computer in another room. It was pretty painful to use chat (I think that was it?) :( Jul 18 00:56:07 DocScrutinizer: er Jul 18 00:56:23 that is what i meant Jul 18 00:56:36 what? Jul 18 00:56:42 nm Jul 18 00:56:44 :) Jul 18 00:56:48 happy bouncing Jul 18 00:56:54 Quassel wins. Jul 18 00:57:07 luke-jr: client or bouncer? Jul 18 00:57:17 DocScrutinizer: the line is blurry Jul 18 00:57:19 :D Jul 18 00:57:40 Quassel is a client, but it has 2 processes Jul 18 00:57:44 which don't need to be on the same system Jul 18 00:57:58 mhm Jul 18 00:58:09 sounds interesting Jul 18 00:58:17 basically a proprietary bouncer + proprietary-protocol client Jul 18 00:58:23 yep Jul 18 00:58:26 but it does much more than a bouncer Jul 18 00:58:30 got that Jul 18 00:58:35 sane scrollback, and such Jul 18 00:58:47 sounds nice Jul 18 01:01:56 please elaborate "sane scrollback" Jul 18 01:02:17 ShadowJK: it looks just like any other GUI client if you never disconnected Jul 18 01:02:32 sure Jul 18 01:02:45 including timestamps, etc Jul 18 01:02:49 oh, and IIRC the scrollback is infinite Jul 18 01:02:55 even if you restart the bouncer-part Jul 18 01:03:29 should, if the bouncer keeps proper logs Jul 18 01:03:44 it doesn't Jul 18 01:03:46 it has a db Jul 18 01:04:03 luke-jr, worst thing about scrollback which is visible after reconnecting.. Jul 18 01:04:09 nice standard timestamps are a real advantage though Jul 18 01:04:13 on my 900 xchat shows historical Jul 18 01:04:24 and i sometimes ponder answering some things Jul 18 01:04:46 buffer playback over standard irc prot from bouncer to client always has the issue with two timestamps Jul 18 01:05:16 I've never seen anyone/client/bouncer/server actually USE the standard IRC port Jul 18 01:05:52 protocol, not port Jul 18 01:06:00 oops Jul 18 01:06:13 gotta wonder why FreeNode doesn't support the standard port tho :) Jul 18 01:06:15 you know, 194 Jul 18 01:06:21 lol? Jul 18 01:06:30 the client doesn't know it's playback and prepends current time Jul 18 01:06:50 * ShadowJK wonders briefly if ports are mentioned in RFC1459 Jul 18 01:07:28 Worryingly, this is the only rfc I remember the number of :) Jul 18 01:07:39 konqueror has "rfc:1459" shortcut by default Jul 18 01:07:43 Though if someone started waving the ircnet rfc around I'd probably recognize the number Jul 18 01:08:05 or was that me implementing it some decades ago? :-P Jul 18 01:08:10 http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers Jul 18 01:08:42 6667 is the standard irc port, iana can go fuck themselve Jul 18 01:08:59 lanana (or whatever) too :P Jul 18 01:10:01 RFC1459 uses 6667 Jul 18 01:10:10 but onyl as examples Jul 18 01:10:49 There was actually, if I don't remember entirely wrong, a short period of time when people tried to promote the use of the iana assigned ssl-irc port.. Jul 18 01:10:52 But <1024 was unpromotable really. Jul 18 01:12:26 seems there are more abstract ways to specify the port Jul 18 01:12:46 for a particular irc server Jul 18 01:12:53 (DNS ?) Jul 18 01:13:19 Nah. afaik, every network ended up with their own port number Jul 18 01:14:04 dig SRV _irc._tcp.irc.freenode.net Jul 18 01:14:06 And various ferocious attempts to promote alternate ports to defeat various bots hammering the "standard" 6667,etc Jul 18 01:14:10 * luke-jr glares at FreeNode Jul 18 01:15:19 FreeNode as an irc server operator community member is about as upstanding as an AOL user was on the wider internet back in the days. Jul 18 01:15:26 nah, I was wrong Jul 18 01:15:29 So don't expect too much. Jul 18 01:17:05 luke-jr: yep, that's what I thought of Jul 18 01:17:22 seems it's missing the port though? Jul 18 01:18:36 * ShadowJK gets empty Jul 18 01:33:12 DocScrutinizer: it doesn't exist Jul 18 01:33:52 umm the url resolves Jul 18 01:33:56 ... Jul 18 01:34:01 I didn't give a URl Jul 18 01:34:34 and _irc._tcp.irc.freenode.net doesn't resolve to anything Jul 18 01:34:54 it returns a NXDOMAIN (no such domain) result with SOA/authority Jul 18 01:35:08 mhm Jul 18 01:38:08 how'd you query SIP for sipgate.de? Jul 18 01:38:26 dig SRV _sip._udp.sipgate.de ? Jul 18 01:38:49 hmm, thought so, but returns same empty Jul 18 01:39:10 and I thought sipgate supports that SRV query Jul 18 01:39:16 I think only XMPP actually uses SRV Jul 18 01:39:33 dig SRV _xmpp-server._tcp.gmail.com Jul 18 02:01:49 vjoin ##linux Jul 18 02:18:54 does anyone here use Facebook? Jul 18 02:21:38 I was gonna make fun of u if u did **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 18 02:59:56 2010