**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 18 02:59:56 2010 Jul 18 03:16:18 hmm Jul 18 03:16:44 C760 = 1G handheld; N810 = 2G handheld; N900 = 3G handheld Jul 18 03:17:13 (NanoNote = wtf is this thing good for? :P) Jul 18 03:18:24 N1 = 4G ? Jul 18 03:18:30 if N1 is 4G, I want 5G :P Jul 18 03:42:27 I have maemo-pan installed, Jul 18 03:42:34 I've paired to my phone, Jul 18 03:42:50 it's running internet sharing and is waiting for the pan connection Jul 18 03:42:58 I can't figure out how do make a pan connection Jul 18 04:20:28 this is frustrating Jul 18 04:20:35 I had a dummy connection before Jul 18 04:20:47 but I deleted it, thinking it was from the previous owner Jul 18 04:21:01 so now I'm lost - how do I get it back? Jul 18 04:35:50 yello Jul 18 04:36:15 hiya Jul 18 04:45:35 nobody can help me with maemo-pan? Jul 18 04:50:51 wow man that's cool you're old school with n8x0 Jul 18 04:51:03 I just bought it Jul 18 04:51:09 good to hear Jul 18 04:51:41 n900 is small, plus it's not 3g compatible with AT&T Jul 18 04:51:44 so it's not an option Jul 18 04:51:45 the right size screen, just a tad under powered Jul 18 04:51:55 n8x0 for you Jul 18 04:52:30 I purchased the n900 after waiting 6 months for something better Jul 18 04:52:33 I can do wifi sharing through my phone, but that wastes power like crazy Jul 18 04:52:45 ya, bluetooth is the only way Jul 18 04:52:49 so if PAN support works, it'll be a great device for me Jul 18 04:52:59 ppman: it depends on your phone Jul 18 04:53:05 touch pro Jul 18 04:53:06 what is it? Jul 18 04:53:07 winmo Jul 18 04:53:10 right Jul 18 04:53:40 have there been any cases of tpro working with a nit? Jul 18 04:53:53 is the n810 supposed to list PAN in the supported profiles? Jul 18 04:54:21 touch pro is the same software-wise as every other winmo phone, really.. Jul 18 04:54:29 same exact stack on very similar hardware Jul 18 04:55:00 I even had the "DUMMY" connection - it irks me that I killed it Jul 18 04:55:23 just started to read http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=24801 Jul 18 04:56:20 I don't think the DUN hack still works for wm6.5 Jul 18 04:56:26 ah Jul 18 04:56:27 ok Jul 18 04:56:28 and that's sub-optimal anyway Jul 18 04:56:52 does the n810 need to see that the device supports PAN? Jul 18 04:57:28 ppman: ya, I don't know the internals I'm afraid Jul 18 04:58:55 ppman: this seems like a leed http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411520 Jul 18 05:00:28 nmp Jul 18 05:00:33 they pair just fine Jul 18 05:00:45 I've paried about 50 times today, trying to get this to work Jul 18 05:01:10 ya good luck, I'm sorry I can't help you more Jul 18 05:08:48 ppman: which other WinMo phones work with n810? Jul 18 05:08:57 many? Jul 18 05:09:06 I see a lot of refence to the dash, at least Jul 18 05:09:15 might have been some luck with kaiser.. Jul 18 05:09:26 I think most people with success don't talk about it ;) Jul 18 05:09:56 so according to this link, maemo-pan should make a new type of connection? Jul 18 05:09:57 not so Jul 18 05:12:43 does it matter which maemo version I have? Jul 18 05:12:54 I may be dumb, but I think I have maemo 5 on here.. Jul 18 05:14:32 you have Diablo, 4 Jul 18 05:14:34 okay, so I don't.. Jul 18 05:14:40 but I have a confusing version string Jul 18 05:15:25 version 5.2008.43-7 Jul 18 05:15:46 ppman: what is the advantage of DUN over PAN? Jul 18 05:16:00 nothing Jul 18 05:16:23 just that tp or at&t doesn't support DUN Jul 18 05:16:23 apparently, you might be able to make calls over it, but for networking, PAN is infinitely better Jul 18 05:16:40 winmo dropped DUN support Jul 18 05:16:55 officially, they haven't and "it's the supplier's fault", but really Jul 18 05:17:01 winmo -> no dun. Jul 18 05:17:35 and ICS over usb has worked for a long time. Jul 18 05:17:56 I don't have much bluetooth hardware, so never really tried PAN. Jul 18 05:19:53 sorry that bt isn't working well for you it can really be nice Jul 18 05:23:27 ppman: it's a weird naming convention, [4-5].2008.xy-z the wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo, shows yours as a part, the last official release, of Diablo Jul 18 05:24:00 so I'm at latest? good. Jul 18 05:24:03 for instance the n900's latest OS is 10.2010.19-1 Jul 18 05:25:25 ppman: there is work being done to use Freemantle work on the n8x0 I'm not sure what's become of this work. Have you installed telescope? Jul 18 05:25:38 telescope? Jul 18 05:25:43 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50689 Jul 18 05:25:47 and I don't want fremantle apparently, Jul 18 05:26:02 and people have trouble with maemo-pan and diablo anyway.. Jul 18 05:26:11 no, but it is the current Maemo OS Jul 18 05:26:16 Freemantle that is Jul 18 05:26:42 so you're sure it isn't your carrier doing something nasty Jul 18 05:26:49 people were saying a while ago that n810 hardware is missing things fremantle needs Jul 18 05:26:58 absolutely sure Jul 18 05:27:08 I've got a new rom on the device Jul 18 05:27:22 so, they're doing nothing in software, Jul 18 05:27:29 and I've used ICS before over usb, Jul 18 05:27:37 so no network limitations either Jul 18 05:28:08 perhaps attempt to use a friends phone that should work Jul 18 05:28:38 I'm sure DUN will work... Jul 18 05:28:48 I just can't figure out how to make a PAN connection Jul 18 05:28:54 the n810 is really a beautiful looking device Jul 18 05:28:57 so any PAN phone will give me troublew Jul 18 05:30:12 ppman: so you've tethered your tp with a bt enabled laptop/desktop? Jul 18 05:30:41 no, not yet - I will try when I get a hold of one, Jul 18 05:30:53 it uses the same software to do usb, though Jul 18 05:31:01 and I can't get a pan connection Jul 18 05:32:37 also, what happened to a maemo version starting with E? Jul 18 05:38:28 oh wow, think I got it Jul 18 05:38:57 bottom of bug 3306 tells how to make the dummy connection again if you've lost it Jul 18 05:38:57 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3306 DUMMY connections not visible in Select connection dialog Jul 18 05:39:11 and that seems to have connected Jul 18 05:39:41 luke-jr: http://packages.gentoo.org/package/sci-calculators/units ebuild: http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo-x86/sci-calculators/units/units-1.88.ebuild Jul 18 05:39:54 toggles_w: neither are source repositories Jul 18 05:40:11 the ebuild points you to ftp.gnu.org Jul 18 05:40:27 aw, well it thinks it has connected.. Jul 18 05:40:36 http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/units/ Jul 18 05:40:55 it got a 169. address, and can't connect to anything, Jul 18 05:41:03 but at least it thinks it made a pan connection Jul 18 05:42:16 toggles_w: FTP != source repository Jul 18 05:45:51 fair enough, figured you'd patch it for gentoo then email the maintainer... but you could try this http://savannah.gnu.org/cvs/?group=units Jul 18 05:46:27 bah, getting far too late - I will bother with this tomorrow. Jul 18 05:46:39 toggles_w: wtf? who uses CVS anymore Jul 18 05:48:14 lol, if it's too hard just say so Jul 18 05:49:07 it is Jul 18 05:49:16 Unicode doesn't even define the symbols required Jul 18 05:53:52 hi all Jul 18 05:54:46 just promoted the okuda theme to extras-testing, so please test and vote if you have time. Jul 18 05:55:05 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=755472 Jul 18 07:02:30 how to find my mac address in N900? Jul 18 07:02:49 there is no command ifconfig Jul 18 07:04:05 it's /sbin/ifconfig Jul 18 07:04:14 oh yes Jul 18 07:04:15 ok Jul 18 07:04:26 sbin is not in the $PATH /me thinks Jul 18 07:04:38 it probably is for superuser Jul 18 07:05:30 yeah... you are right. Jul 18 07:20:00 the System/Settings/About application shows the MAC too Jul 18 08:26:26 finally! Jul 18 08:26:30 DROP all -- anywhere anywhere Source countries: CN,TW Jul 18 08:26:33 :) Jul 18 08:26:36 die china die Jul 18 08:27:14 'Morning Jul 18 08:27:21 morn Jul 18 08:28:04 Ville Vainio of Forum Nokia is haunting my computer. Jul 18 08:28:42 I started playing a video demo of something by him, and killing Firefox won't stop his voice. O_o Jul 18 08:28:42 excellent Jul 18 08:28:45 Macer, now drop AFRNIC and your golden ;) Jul 18 08:28:46 Stupid Flash Jul 18 08:29:19 Seriously, what the heck? Jul 18 08:29:43 Gah... stupid nspluginwrapper. Jul 18 08:29:48 * jaem shakes his fist at Adobe Jul 18 08:37:34 haha Jul 18 08:37:43 afrnic? Jul 18 08:37:45 jaem: err Jul 18 08:37:55 don't blame flash for a stupid app Jul 18 08:38:06 that's a bug in nspluginwrapper Jul 18 08:38:11 which is a third party pos Jul 18 08:38:21 why are you using nspluginwrapper btw? Jul 18 08:38:39 (what version of firefox, 64bit? which version of flash? 64bit?) Jul 18 08:39:00 timeless_mbp: I know that. I was blaming Adobe for dropping 64-bit Linux Flash support instead of patching the security bug like they did for all the other platforms. Jul 18 08:39:23 I either use 32-bit via nspluginwrapper, or I use the last released 64-bit build, which is insecure. Jul 18 08:39:43 timeless_mbp: any other options? I'd try them gladly. Jul 18 08:39:46 if you use 32bit ff4beta + 32bit flash Jul 18 08:39:50 you don't need pluginwrapper Jul 18 08:39:55 and you get out of process flash Jul 18 08:40:00 Hmm... that's a thought, actually. Jul 18 08:40:04 * jaem will try that. Jul 18 08:40:25 make sure you aren't using nspluginwrapper when you do it Jul 18 08:40:46 Heh, no, definitely not. Jul 18 08:43:39 On the other hand, this looks shiny Jul 18 08:44:04 * jaem was seduced away from non-broken Flash by the beckoning glow of the FF4b-pgo build Jul 18 08:45:45 heh Jul 18 08:47:26 DROP all -- anywhere anywhere Source countries: AF,CN,HK,KP,KR,PK,VN,TW Jul 18 08:47:30 weeeee! Jul 18 08:48:40 Stskeeps: I think I asked this on here before, but if I wanted to get an install running on the N810 without X, and with working networking and reasonable power management, could I do that without lots of pain? Jul 18 08:49:19 will answer after breakfast Jul 18 08:49:43 Stskeeps: Fair enough. :) Jul 18 08:49:51 jaem: talk to luke-jr .. he has gentoo Jul 18 08:49:53 :) Jul 18 08:50:15 Macer: right, yeah... I might have to go with that. Jul 18 08:50:36 not sure how well he has the power thing working out but i know he had gentoo running fairly well on it Jul 18 08:50:43 maybe a few glitches but worked well enough Jul 18 08:51:27 I want to look into connecting the N810 to a wristwatch, but I don't need anything fancy... like X. Jul 18 08:51:52 jaem: just strip off stuff X stuff from maemo? Jul 18 08:55:34 slonopotamus: That was my first thought. I would be fine with a basic console. What I wasn't sure about was how easy it was to fiddle with wifi from the command line on Diablo. Jul 18 08:57:28 jaem: well, you can try that _before_ killing X :) Jul 18 08:57:42 slonopotamus: yes indeed. Jul 18 08:57:47 But where's the fun in that? ;) Jul 18 08:58:45 jaem: if you want fun, try gentoo :) i use wpa_supplicant in it for wifi Jul 18 08:59:32 slonopotamus: I think that would be best. I've never used Gentoo on the desktop, so I wasn't sure about diving in on the N810. I probably will, when I have time. Jul 18 08:59:34 Thanks. Jul 18 09:00:03 The watch won't ship for a while anyway. Jul 18 09:00:54 jaem: well, building packages on n810 isn't very fast :) Jul 18 09:02:17 jaem: afaik, there's also ubuntu for n8x0 so you can use it without X too (and i'm sure it has sane commandline wifi tools) Jul 18 09:02:41 Right, I assume you're talking about b-man's build? Jul 18 09:02:42 jaem: and it should be easier for you to use than gentoo. Jul 18 09:02:54 maybe :) Jul 18 09:04:13 jaem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=27735 yep, b-man Jul 18 09:04:24 * RST38h yawns Jul 18 09:04:24 thanks for the link Jul 18 09:04:28 Gentoo? What Gentoo? Jul 18 09:04:35 RST38h: it went that way -> Jul 18 09:05:16 err, wut? b-man claims he doesn't have sound working Jul 18 09:05:33 slonopotamus: He didn't, at one point. I thought he fixed it, though Jul 18 09:06:46 jaem: maybe that post is outdated. though google doesn't give me anything newer Jul 18 09:07:07 I'm not sure - I haven't looked at it in quite a while Jul 18 09:07:53 jaem: how are you goint to use n810 with a watch? (just curious) Jul 18 09:08:23 slonopotamus: It's currently hypothetical, as I don't have my hands on the hardware. I'm hoping it will work... Jul 18 09:08:40 slonopotamus: It's this watch: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/EZ430-Chronos Jul 18 09:12:02 slonopotamus: what do you think? Jul 18 09:16:04 jaem: i don't know what is your usecase Jul 18 09:16:11 jaem: for minimal usage, either gentoo or meego Jul 18 09:17:48 Stskeeps: Alrighty. Jul 18 09:18:03 we don't have wifi in meego yet. Jul 18 09:18:06 slonopotamus_: Just experimenting with it to being with. Jul 18 09:19:07 Stskeeps: Meh... I should install it anyway, to follow development. I've been out of the loop because I didn't have a device with MeeGo installed. That will motivate me. :) Jul 18 09:19:29 jaem: what are you going to do with that watch? Jul 18 09:20:10 build meego for it? :) Jul 18 09:20:13 heh. that would be neet Jul 18 09:20:19 Macer: Sadly, no. It's only 16-bit Jul 18 09:20:36 Not to mention the 32KB Flash/4KB RAM. Jul 18 09:20:44 ouch Jul 18 09:20:53 It still looks quite interesting, though, and I am a gadget-lover. Jul 18 09:21:02 there isn't a stronger watch? Jul 18 09:21:14 Macer: Probably, but this one is cheap and hackable. Jul 18 09:21:29 :) well. i meant a cheap hackable watch that is stronger Jul 18 09:21:32 There was a watch from someone (Fossil?) that ran PalmOS, IIRC, but it was expensive. Jul 18 09:21:36 Macer: Stronger==? Jul 18 09:21:49 More powerful? No, probably not. Jul 18 09:22:16 This one is $50, and there is an Open Source firmware project for it, apart from the ability to make your own full-custom FW. Jul 18 09:22:52 http://www.freeos.com/articles/3800 Jul 18 09:22:59 PalmOS only requires 68020 Jul 18 09:23:08 Macer: yep, that never got out of the lab, unfortunately. Jul 18 09:23:19 that sucks :) Jul 18 09:23:23 You want a proper ARM watch, the one using MTK chipset Jul 18 09:23:25 that thing looks awesome Jul 18 09:23:47 Of course, good luck finding any info on programming that chipset Jul 18 09:24:03 RST38h: which watch are you thinking of, out of curiousity? Jul 18 09:24:21 jaem: Any of so called "Chinese cell phoen watches" Jul 18 09:25:04 Oh, those. Yeah, well, I wouldn't trust most of those. Jul 18 09:25:16 Gah, I neeed to go to bed. Jul 18 09:25:18 G'night, all. Jul 18 09:25:40 ...oh, that's why it's abnormally warm - I'm compiling Jul 18 09:25:41 Huh Jul 18 09:28:38 http://www.amazon.com/Fossil-Wrist-PDA-Palm-OS/dp/B00009QR9X Jul 18 09:28:44 unavailable Jul 18 09:28:50 but you can get the palm sdk :) heh Jul 18 09:30:48 http://www.gumstix.com/ Jul 18 09:30:50 hm Jul 18 09:34:15 Macer: it is literally a fossil now Jul 18 09:35:04 yeah i guess you're right Jul 18 09:35:05 ;) Jul 18 09:35:14 but maybe someone can get something going on it heh Jul 18 09:35:18 maybe doubtful Jul 18 09:35:22 but it's a watch Jul 18 09:35:31 what can you expect. although you would think this day and age... Jul 18 09:35:53 a cell phone watch / mp3 player / video player / email reader / etc would be a viable thing Jul 18 09:36:15 i suppose someone can throw the time of the day in there somewhere too ;) Jul 18 09:39:31 Get yourself a Chinese watch Jul 18 09:39:36 Ask Arkenoi how. Jul 18 10:03:03 hmm... does flashlight-applet block the red recording led somehow? Jul 18 10:03:19 kerio: werent you talking about this yesterday? :P Jul 18 10:03:31 yeah Jul 18 10:03:36 then i went to sleep Jul 18 10:03:45 for like 10 hours Jul 18 10:03:47 kerio: I think the flashlight applet stops the red led and gstreamer from using the camera. Jul 18 10:03:53 god i love vacation Jul 18 10:03:58 Hence why the camui crashes .. Jul 18 10:04:11 alterego: no, even without the applet enabled Jul 18 10:04:30 Oh Jul 18 10:04:32 I'll check. Jul 18 10:05:13 Still works for me. Jul 18 10:05:28 :/ Jul 18 10:05:28 (recording video) I just blinded my self with the flash trying to take a photograph Jul 18 10:05:49 Have you tried uninstalling it? :) Jul 18 10:06:10 But tbh, when it's not actually "on" it shouldn't have any adverse effect on the lights/camui Jul 18 10:06:39 then... wtf Jul 18 10:06:51 my red led is broken D: Jul 18 10:07:52 Have you tried uninstalling it? Jul 18 10:08:01 How have you been testing the red led? Jul 18 10:08:14 alterego: record a video Jul 18 10:08:20 Hrm, yeah. Jul 18 10:08:31 alterego, yesterday he said he never noticed it ever :P Jul 18 10:09:03 does the kernel-power disable it? Jul 18 10:09:13 that's the other possible explanation Jul 18 10:10:02 i want to see a documentary about the nazis that isn't biased Jul 18 10:12:24 maemo Jul 18 10:12:37 maemo? Jul 18 10:12:39 What's "kernel-power"? Jul 18 10:12:41 # Jul 18 10:12:57 kerio: I think you should flash your phone and check to see if your LED works under normal circumstances. Jul 18 10:13:25 alterego: the epic kernel in the repos Jul 18 10:13:32 maemo Jul 18 10:13:44 Galdor2: maemo! Jul 18 10:13:54 yes. but why? Jul 18 10:14:07 "why" what? Jul 18 10:14:16 kerio: Oh, the "Power Users Kernel"? Jul 18 10:14:18 :P Jul 18 10:14:45 kerio: why maemo? Jul 18 10:14:45 alterego: i refuse to call packages by their display name Jul 18 10:14:46 I suppose it's possible that would interfere, I'm suprised no one else has not noticed it if that's the case. Have you asked someone else that uses that kernel? Jul 18 10:15:07 it's a kernel that also allows overclocking Jul 18 10:15:10 mooo Jul 18 10:15:19 DocScrutinizer will kick me Jul 18 10:15:22 kerio: maemo Jul 18 10:15:23 :D Jul 18 10:15:55 hello DocScrutinizer Jul 18 10:15:56 Galdor2: ask nokia Jul 18 10:15:57 do you concur? Jul 18 10:19:07 i concur Jul 18 10:19:16 why Jul 18 10:19:19 kernel-power doesn't talk about red leds Jul 18 10:19:23 Macer: hard. Maybe watch films not at all about NS, like "Lord of theFlies" or "The Experiment" Jul 18 10:19:48 Macer: inglorious basterds Jul 18 10:19:57 maemo Jul 18 10:20:16 kerio: lol, not biased? Jul 18 10:20:24 why not Jul 18 10:20:41 kerio: doesn't mean it wont break it :P Jul 18 10:20:48 DocScrutinizer: it overwraps the biasedness Jul 18 10:22:07 yeah, like watching Mel Brooks Lord Helmet and his troops, for telling the future Jul 18 10:25:53 ~trout kerio Jul 18 10:25:54 * infobot slaps kerio around a bit with a large trout! Jul 18 10:26:43 The power kernel should constantly show the red led just so you know you're living dangerously :P Jul 18 10:27:26 hehehe Jul 18 10:27:29 *nod* Jul 18 10:28:35 kerio: could I talk you into running lfocus python (the few relevant lines) and see what's happening to the red led? Jul 18 10:29:55 or wait, just install the app lfocus (however useless it may be) and just try to switch on and off white LED and red LED Jul 18 10:32:40 will do Jul 18 10:36:16 doesn't work :( Jul 18 10:37:15 you checked http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46427 ? Jul 18 10:40:14 kerio: doesn't work means what? lfocus doesn't install? or you feel like it doesn't do anything like advertised? or it actually can switch e.g. white video light on, just your red LED is like broken? Jul 18 10:40:35 the white led flashes, the red one soesn't Jul 18 10:40:38 doesn't Jul 18 10:40:58 MohammadAG51: neopwn.com is back up Jul 18 10:42:07 white LED : should turn on like torch-flashlight, when you're recording video and do the q-w on-off hwkbd switching Jul 18 10:42:48 I first had to enable hw-kbd in systray menu iirc Jul 18 10:43:13 lo crashanddie Jul 18 10:43:30 the white one works fine Jul 18 10:43:44 and really, i don't care about the red one Jul 18 10:43:51 yeah, but does lfocus work with the white LED? Jul 18 10:44:27 i see it flashing when i tap the button in the lfocus menu Jul 18 10:45:01 kerio: see, I also don't care about *your* red led. But it's all about learning here, to find out what's up with that bugger Jul 18 10:45:28 Morning, all Jul 18 10:45:41 morning Jaffa - long time no see Jul 18 10:45:57 DocScrutinizer: Busy days :-( Jul 18 10:46:41 beter than boring days Jul 18 10:48:41 it works properly with the white led Jul 18 10:48:56 and not at all with the red one? Jul 18 10:49:07 kerio: that's not a documentary ;) Jul 18 10:49:31 i didn't watch much of it when i did see it. i only got to the part where ze german killed the family under the floorboards Jul 18 10:49:38 i'm watching consipracy now Jul 18 10:50:01 it is amazing how ... easily they made this decision Jul 18 10:50:06 i'm reading hte minutes now :) Jul 18 10:51:40 DocScrutinizer: nope Jul 18 10:51:45 -vOv- Jul 18 10:52:13 kerio: so odds are your hw is actually broken. hmm Jul 18 10:52:31 :( Jul 18 10:52:36 should i care? Jul 18 10:52:41 dunno Jul 18 10:52:48 i mean, what's the red light used for? Jul 18 10:53:10 if you like a lightswap for a new motherboard, then this would be an opportunity Jul 18 10:53:28 kerio: nothing inportant really Jul 18 10:54:42 a swap for what? Jul 18 10:54:51 wow, i fire up xchat and users net split Jul 18 10:54:51 DocScrutinizer, ping Jul 18 10:55:35 MohammadAG51: it's all your fault! Jul 18 10:56:00 MohammadAG51: my keyboard splits as soons as you log in!! Jul 18 10:56:13 DocScrutinizer, it respects me Jul 18 10:56:20 kerio, I know :( Jul 18 10:57:35 DocScrutinizer: i guess i can reflash it to test it properly... Jul 18 10:57:52 is there a way to make a complete dump i can restore with the flasher? Jul 18 10:58:17 there's a bootmenu entry someone made Jul 18 11:00:46 MohammadAG51: to make a 1:1 backup? Jul 18 11:02:43 kerio: most wanted feature (complete image) that seems nobody has achieved yet Jul 18 11:02:45 DocScrutinizer: i've tried to x-ray that phone Jul 18 11:02:55 DocScrutinizer: with proper inspection x-ray Jul 18 11:03:24 I bet it was both fun and useless Jul 18 11:03:32 and bloke that was doing it for me said that it would work with higher energy Jul 18 11:03:38 kerio, afaik it uses dd Jul 18 11:03:42 so yes Jul 18 11:03:48 but at energy required to get usefull results it would wipe flash as well Jul 18 11:04:00 :-P Jul 18 11:04:41 MohammadAG51: where's my beer you owe me? Jul 18 11:05:19 iirc you failed epically on flashing an image created with dd Jul 18 11:05:31 yeah, dd failed to create a proper dd Jul 18 11:05:48 you can't dd live filesystem Jul 18 11:05:52 err wut? Jul 18 11:06:00 you can dd a dead filesystem Jul 18 11:06:05 yes Jul 18 11:06:13 but how do you plan to dd dead filesystem? Jul 18 11:06:21 mount -o remount,ro / Jul 18 11:06:25 yeah that's all pretty nice and true and whatnot, but can you *flash* it? Jul 18 11:06:30 i have ubuntu, fedora and nitdroid running Jul 18 11:06:41 no Jul 18 11:06:42 k, last one might be useless Jul 18 11:06:47 you need headers Jul 18 11:06:52 otherwise nolo will refuse to flash it Jul 18 11:06:56 yep Jul 18 11:07:04 for sure Jul 18 11:07:17 hmm? Jul 18 11:07:28 nolo failed Jul 18 11:07:32 when i flashed it Jul 18 11:08:45 and checksums as well Jul 18 11:09:20 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=754937 Jul 18 11:09:24 so you have header, header version, and crc32 Jul 18 11:09:41 + i think every block in fiasco is checksummed as well Jul 18 11:11:48 so how does that app supposedly work? Jul 18 11:12:05 it's not flashing fiasco Jul 18 11:12:10 oh? Jul 18 11:12:11 anyway it sounds *cute* Jul 18 11:12:25 hmm let me check something Jul 18 11:13:42 hmmm, he says flash 1.2 fiasco first then flash the image made with dd Jul 18 11:14:03 is nolo _that_ stupid? Jul 18 11:15:02 you can't flash that Jul 18 11:15:09 unless you are doing it without nolo Jul 18 11:15:22 or flasher is building fiasco image Jul 18 11:15:26 he's using flasher-3.5 Jul 18 11:15:40 idk, not gonna test this Jul 18 11:15:50 too many custom changes Jul 18 11:15:50 it could be flasher that's building fiasco image for nolo Jul 18 11:16:14 fiasco-gen makes fiasco images, not flasher Jul 18 11:16:44 btw. do you know that nolo has limits on fiasco image size Jul 18 11:16:47 and it's up to mem size Jul 18 11:16:54 because it's recieving data Jul 18 11:17:04 and then it's flashing after that Jul 18 11:17:07 yes i know Jul 18 11:19:07 iirc Jul 18 11:19:13 when flashing failed here Jul 18 11:19:18 it said unexpected EOF Jul 18 11:19:26 so i'm guessing dd failed Jul 18 11:20:03 * lcuk wakes up and is infuriated Jul 18 11:20:48 * MohammadAG51 sends lcuk back to his bed Jul 18 11:21:00 :D awww thanks Jul 18 11:21:56 hmm... while building application for "Maemo" targer in Nokia Qt SDK, I go "Packaging failed" Jul 18 11:22:02 No more error messages Jul 18 11:26:57 Two Iron Cross First Class recipients were women, one of whom was test pilot Hanna Reitsch. One of the Muslim SS members to receive the award was SS Obersturmführer Imam Halim Malkoć Jul 18 11:27:07 wow. a muslim nazi? Jul 18 11:27:26 why not? Jul 18 11:27:29 rmrfchik: if you're not already, maybe try it in the maemo sdk scratchbox Jul 18 11:27:51 rmrfchik: i thought nazis were anti-non-christians Jul 18 11:29:05 nazi is about nationalizm. That is, about caring about your origin. Jul 18 11:34:23 then how could judaism be considered origin? Jul 18 11:34:37 as a religion it is possible that people could be converts Jul 18 11:44:24 Macer: nazis were not positive about christian church either Jul 18 11:45:55 if anything they were involved with Wotan and/or crude satanism/other_BS Jul 18 11:46:39 so far off topic i think its on another planet :S Jul 18 11:46:48 anyway I seem to remember politics is strictly off topic generally Jul 18 11:47:24 lcuk: ack Jul 18 11:51:29 * DocScrutinizer stabs lcuk to test if he's (been) asleep again Jul 18 11:51:51 nope, ive had breakfast and had a good laugh at youtubers Jul 18 11:52:52 * lcuk quotes: Jul 18 11:52:54 If this was on iPhone, I would have guessed it's "magic". But since it is not, I would have to guess it has something to do with the camera focusing sensor (not the camera it self) and line crossing. Jul 18 11:53:01 breakfast... sounds like something familiar - long ago. Should probably try to remember about what it was Jul 18 11:53:35 lol Jul 18 11:53:44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM (for those who dont know where) Jul 18 11:53:59 so i should just get an iphone shell around my n900 Jul 18 11:54:04 and then it would be magic? Jul 18 11:54:33 * lcuk might get iphone sdk and try it Jul 18 11:54:49 lcuk: naaw Jul 18 11:55:08 ehh Jul 18 11:55:22 i really think that search feature in iphone was one of the best things about that phone Jul 18 11:55:25 does iphone code run fast enough? Jul 18 11:55:36 * lcuk ponders Jul 18 11:55:51 i mean, seriously, it takes ages to find any e-mail Jul 18 11:55:54 lcuk: do you run fast enough to escape from iphone? Jul 18 11:55:57 partialy because modest is a disaster Jul 18 11:56:09 lcuk: should do, it's mostly objective C Jul 18 11:56:31 jacekowski, mm? grab modest code and see if a better search can be implemented Jul 18 11:56:49 search? in modest?? Jul 18 11:56:54 all new to me Jul 18 11:56:55 alterego, is obj C fully compiled Jul 18 11:57:00 * lcuk does not know Jul 18 11:57:04 Yes Jul 18 11:57:16 sure it is Jul 18 11:57:18 i thought it was like c# and java etc Jul 18 11:57:26 It's just C with a bit of crappy OOP tacked on to make it look quite ugly. Jul 18 11:57:27 nah Jul 18 11:57:31 No Jul 18 11:57:44 Objective-C probably predates the idea of bytecode VM's tbh :) Jul 18 11:57:46 cool, so its more like CFront (C with objects) Jul 18 11:57:48 alterego: that's a bit too negative Jul 18 11:57:49 lcuk: thing is that iphone had phonewide search Jul 18 11:58:07 DocScrutinizer: I don't like it :) Jul 18 11:58:14 objc is not that bad afaik Jul 18 11:58:16 C++ is better imo .. Jul 18 11:58:23 lcuk: and it was working quite fast Jul 18 11:58:28 jacekowski, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CtynM36kxY see that Jul 18 11:58:31 C++ + Qt :D Jul 18 11:58:32 objective C is actually quite nice to me (the few 1000 lines of code I did) Jul 18 11:58:39 lcuk: i mean it takes less to search something on iphone than to start modest on n900 Jul 18 11:59:28 jacekowski: put tracker to correct decent purpose finally, and you're done Jul 18 11:59:30 * lcuk can search globally too Jul 18 11:59:30 hmmmm Jul 18 11:59:37 lcuk: oO Jul 18 11:59:47 lcuk: so i could write e-mail widget for liqbase? Jul 18 11:59:54 lcuk: and contacts widget Jul 18 12:00:02 :) Jul 18 12:00:13 so if i would just make a backend code Jul 18 12:00:20 would you be able to deal with frontend Jul 18 12:00:32 i mean, pictures and stuff Jul 18 12:00:43 so it wouldn't look like it was drawn by 3 years old Jul 18 12:00:50 well that was the idea i got sidetracked with things Jul 18 12:01:03 heh my stuff looks likes its drawn by a young kid :P Jul 18 12:01:14 mostly because it is, me and jake sit and draw stuff Jul 18 12:01:22 lol Jul 18 12:01:29 Heh Jul 18 12:01:50 that's how meego is doing things on UI gfx Jul 18 12:02:13 * lcuk tries to make stuff that jake understands Jul 18 12:02:20 obviously that's trendy nowadays Jul 18 12:02:31 i'm just not sure how to do search for e-mails Jul 18 12:02:38 use imap search functionality Jul 18 12:02:40 I dunno, I think they might be dumbing it down far too far. Jul 18 12:02:45 but then not everyone has imap Jul 18 12:02:46 Even farther than Apple ... Jul 18 12:03:02 full text search over a large database is tough in any system and needs keyword/hash/lookup database of its own Jul 18 12:03:03 or have local index Jul 18 12:03:11 alterego: yeah :-( Jul 18 12:03:26 lcuk: i know that Jul 18 12:03:28 TRACKER Jul 18 12:03:30 i used to do searches over a ~2million record db Jul 18 12:03:34 lcuk: i'm just exploring the options Jul 18 12:03:40 sure Jul 18 12:03:47 well, i had 20 million record db Jul 18 12:04:01 leaked phone book from polish telecom Jul 18 12:04:01 lots of spam :p Jul 18 12:04:15 and that imported into mysql Jul 18 12:04:22 and after adding some indexes Jul 18 12:04:29 i could search everything in under a second Jul 18 12:04:35 does mysql have fulltext search overlay nowadays? Jul 18 12:04:39 hmm, normal Jul 18 12:04:41 1 second is slow Jul 18 12:04:42 it does Jul 18 12:04:47 for long long time Jul 18 12:04:55 i twas p233 MMX Jul 18 12:05:02 with old 40G HDD Jul 18 12:05:13 heh Jul 18 12:05:24 it took whole day for it to create indexes Jul 18 12:05:25 MohammadAG51: ping Jul 18 12:05:35 jacekowski: muhaha Jul 18 12:05:43 * lcuk laughs at old vb.net workkmates who would download entire table and filter using local cursors Jul 18 12:05:56 and wondered when it got near production that it was slow Jul 18 12:06:08 muhaha again Jul 18 12:06:16 because that phonebook was originaly a text file Jul 18 12:06:44 but mysql had fulltext search for a long long long time Jul 18 12:08:46 jacekowski, you dont just mean field like '*blah*' do you :p Jul 18 12:09:56 fffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu tracy Jul 18 12:10:00 WHERE field LIKE "*bla*" ? Why not? Jul 18 12:10:07 RT: @teebee76 Jul 18 12:10:07 @lcuk There's an app for that hahaaaa!!!! Is this where I point out it's slow lol!! love you really :) Jul 18 12:10:17 shes a cheeky cow Jul 18 12:12:04 lcuk: (LIKE) will take 'ages' but should work, for all I understand about SQL and maybe MySQL Jul 18 12:12:09 DocScrutinizer, because the prefix wildcard means that it has to work on the data rather than index only Jul 18 12:12:32 ie slow Jul 18 12:12:41 sure, no index optimization possible n that. DB has to use rough matches Jul 18 12:12:58 will take 'ages'... Jul 18 12:13:38 except if you create an index for each col of the string field Jul 18 12:13:52 yeah thats the fulltext overlay Jul 18 12:14:12 char[1]("A".."z"), char[2]("A".."z")... Jul 18 12:14:21 but it bloats db size horribly and is impractical to rescan entire datasets Jul 18 12:14:36 ack Jul 18 12:14:43 as noted by the number of forums who cannot offer timely search capabilities Jul 18 12:15:00 i keep wanting a google operator on sql Jul 18 12:15:12 lol Jul 18 12:15:15 select fields from table where google 'stuff' Jul 18 12:15:18 thought there is Jul 18 12:15:44 well not really but smething similarly screwed Jul 18 12:17:02 damn, decades ago... completely forgot about that shit Jul 18 12:17:19 dict? Jul 18 12:17:43 yeah potentially but it has to hold info about data on all fields Jul 18 12:18:26 * lcuk goes coding Jul 18 12:18:30 \o ttyl Jul 18 12:18:36 have fun :-) Jul 18 12:23:20 is there a good wardriving app for n900? Jul 18 12:23:31 and is packet injection working? Jul 18 12:23:44 (the two are, unsurprisingly, related) Jul 18 12:26:23 lcuk: i know Jul 18 12:26:34 lcuk: mysql had fulltext search for 5 years at least Jul 18 12:26:46 http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/fulltext-search.html Jul 18 12:27:48 nice jacekowski :) Jul 18 12:28:20 kerio: they are not exactly related. and wardriving *should* work, while packet injection afaik doesn't with the wlan chipset Jul 18 12:28:52 i saw a guide that suggested the use of aireplay Jul 18 12:28:56 :\ Jul 18 12:28:58 oh well Jul 18 12:29:17 hmm, all it would have to create is database with all words Jul 18 12:29:18 is there a gui for wardriving? Jul 18 12:29:39 and then search with like word% Jul 18 12:29:53 it wouldn't be the fastest Jul 18 12:30:03 but i think it would be fast enough for search as you type Jul 18 12:31:23 >>The search string must be a literal string, not a variable or a column name.<< ouch! Jul 18 12:32:00 it can be a subquery and that kind of shit Jul 18 12:32:04 there are workarounds Jul 18 12:32:30 where does modest store e-mails? Jul 18 12:33:08 hmm .modes Jul 18 12:33:11 .modest* Jul 18 12:36:32 can anyone help me get maemo-pan working on my n810? Jul 18 12:36:58 I think I had everything, but then I deleted the dummy connection by mistake, but I managed to make it again Jul 18 12:37:21 now it's trying to connect to the pan, but it's acting really rather strange. Jul 18 12:37:51 it's getting a 169.x.x.x address, and everything seems to route to another 169.x.x.x address Jul 18 12:45:25 169 addreses are apipa Jul 18 12:45:44 and if you get address like that then something is wrong Jul 18 12:45:44 that's why I'm skeptical that it's *really* working... Jul 18 12:46:08 I usually get a 192.168.x.x address from ICS on windows mobile, Jul 18 12:46:14 at least when used over usb. Jul 18 12:46:34 As soon as I can get a hand on a laptop with bt, I'm going to try that connected to the phone.. Jul 18 12:47:22 or, in this case Jul 18 12:47:25 I think I got it... Jul 18 12:47:36 wtf? Jul 18 12:48:28 It means it's not configured to get addresses properly, whether manually assigned or using dhcp Jul 18 12:50:05 it's working, mostly, just ifconfig says I still have the 169. address Jul 18 12:50:12 maybe it's supposed to be? Jul 18 12:50:27 No, not supposed to be. Jul 18 12:50:28 I noticed that it seems to want this address over dhcp, Jul 18 12:50:38 That's because dhcp isn't working correctly. Jul 18 12:50:50 it's not like it fails to get it, then falls back on this.. Jul 18 12:50:56 maybe. Jul 18 12:51:48 Well, that's what it is doing. Jul 18 12:51:51 but a lot of these pings are going through.. Jul 18 12:52:03 Sure Jul 18 12:52:08 well, it's not consistent Jul 18 12:58:05 When "Charging is Complete." Is the charging connection giving any power to the N900? Jul 18 12:58:41 opdf2: afaik, it goes between discharging and charging just a tiny bit Jul 18 12:59:19 alterego: so, out of a ping of 10 packets, Jul 18 12:59:23 5 dropped, Jul 18 12:59:35 2 came back from a 169. address somewhere else, Jul 18 12:59:41 and 3 came back from google as I asked Jul 18 13:13:08 it comes as no surprise that i made n900 go rather slow by running 16 youtube videos Jul 18 13:15:02 lcuk, isn't that an overkill? Jul 18 13:15:22 lcuk: my laptop becomes slow with *three* youtube videos Jul 18 13:15:49 loading 16 youtube videos at the same time isn't normal... Jul 18 13:15:56 but on the n900 it is Jul 18 13:16:01 :D lol Jul 18 13:16:02 n900 - not even once Jul 18 13:16:22 o_O it crashed Jul 18 13:16:38 oh hang on no, battery flat Jul 18 13:17:12 * lcuk plugs in and tries again Jul 18 13:26:27 Hahah Jul 18 13:26:54 * lcuk slaps alterego 16 times Jul 18 13:27:02 its running again now whilst charging Jul 18 13:31:26 :) Jul 18 13:31:30 lcuk: won't work Jul 18 13:31:54 1.1A is probably not enough, with that kind of load Jul 18 13:32:03 wow Jul 18 13:32:05 my ps3 said out of memory Jul 18 13:32:13 buy a wii Jul 18 13:32:23 i'm 16, not 1 Jul 18 13:32:24 too many youtube videos? Jul 18 13:32:33 can anyone tell me how i can let trackerd reindex all my stuff? Jul 18 13:32:33 LOL Jul 18 13:32:39 i tried trackerd -r but it did nothing Jul 18 13:33:00 ppman, no just empty battery Jul 18 13:33:03 its working fine now Jul 18 13:33:34 infobot, maemosdk Jul 18 13:33:35 hmm... maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Jul 18 13:33:38 acting as a nice hand warmer :) Jul 18 13:33:41 ~botsnack Jul 18 13:33:41 MohammadAG51: aw, gee Jul 18 13:33:56 MohammadAG51: yeah, yeah, "nintendo is for kids" Jul 18 13:33:59 i forgot Jul 18 13:34:37 our wii is used for many tihngs Jul 18 13:34:43 aww crap, i'm turning 17 next month Jul 18 13:34:46 tracy does her yoga with it Jul 18 13:35:07 me and jake play cars o_O Jul 18 13:35:16 lcuk: i feel that there's a double entendre somewhere there, but i can't find it Jul 18 13:35:17 lcuk, some people use it to smash flat screens Jul 18 13:35:29 s/some people/idiots/ Jul 18 13:35:32 kerio, hmm? no Jul 18 13:35:45 it must be me then - nvm Jul 18 13:36:00 lcuk, the PS3 has wii-ish stuff :P Jul 18 13:36:35 not really the same MohammadAG51 Jul 18 13:36:42 lcuk, better? Jul 18 13:36:46 nintendo: "motion controls! woo" ms/sony: "pff, lame" Jul 18 13:37:02 ms/sony: "motion controls! woo" nintendo: "THREE DIMENSIONS BITCH" Jul 18 13:37:02 the ps move is interesting tbh Jul 18 13:37:07 and the wii has momentum here, we have guitars and drumkit and mics and steering wheels and a boatload of games Jul 18 13:37:23 i want a guitar and drum kit :( Jul 18 13:37:28 for rock band 2 Jul 18 13:37:42 yeah luke and tracy have a growing collection Jul 18 13:37:51 MohammadAG51: wait for rock band 3, the "pro" instruments are awesome Jul 18 13:37:59 and they're actually musical instruments Jul 18 13:38:02 the rockband type games are more like "Now thats what i call music.." tapes from days gone by Jul 18 13:38:21 heh, it's mostly old songs Jul 18 13:38:29 pre2k Jul 18 13:38:36 doesnt matter, just collections of music Jul 18 13:38:55 yeah, but without a guitar/drumkit, you have to play vocals :P Jul 18 13:39:04 both the pro guitar and the pro keytar are actually midi instruments Jul 18 13:39:31 anyone can help me with trackerd please? Jul 18 13:39:42 MohammadAG51, replacing singing into hairbrush with real vocals lol Jul 18 13:39:46 steinex: killall trackerd Jul 18 13:39:46 yes, purge it Jul 18 13:39:48 steinex, whats up Jul 18 13:40:02 i hate that thing deeply Jul 18 13:40:19 kerio, lcuk: i want that trackerd reindexes all my stuff Jul 18 13:40:26 it sees my battery life down to 10% and decides to reindex Jul 18 13:40:29 i tried trackerd -r but it did nothing Jul 18 13:40:33 MohammadAG51: it does it on purpose Jul 18 13:40:43 steinex, tracker-processes --hard-reset Jul 18 13:40:49 as user, not root Jul 18 13:40:53 MohammadAG51: will try Jul 18 13:40:53 daemons are like dogs Jul 18 13:41:00 they know you're not confortable with them Jul 18 13:41:04 and they act consequently Jul 18 13:41:06 then restart the media player/photos app Jul 18 13:41:21 lol kerio Jul 18 13:41:34 Heh Jul 18 13:41:40 steinex, how long have you given the "trackerd -r" process to run? Jul 18 13:42:02 and did you reboot before doing this (sometimes helps makes sure you are only running normal processes etc) Jul 18 13:42:04 lcuk, it should be tracker-processes, not trackerd Jul 18 13:42:30 ^^ then try that Jul 18 13:42:36 MohammadAG51: cool it worked Jul 18 13:42:41 MohammadAG51: thanks Jul 18 13:42:56 np, i think i defined it in infobot some time ago Jul 18 13:43:03 infobot, trackerreset Jul 18 13:43:04 methinks trackerreset is "tracker-processes --hard-reset" in Terminal Jul 18 13:43:27 tracker sucks a bit... i have added album art to one album but trackerd never realized it... thus the hard reset Jul 18 13:43:41 i would like to get rid of tracker at all :/ Jul 18 13:44:14 tracker serves a purpose Jul 18 13:44:17 i know Jul 18 13:44:23 what purpose? Jul 18 13:44:25 it sucks Jul 18 13:44:41 sucking power is a very important purpose :) Jul 18 13:44:47 something has to do it Jul 18 13:44:54 tracker indexes all your icons and images you don't want to see. Jul 18 13:45:00 better that people complain about the tracker than the browser :) Jul 18 13:45:12 well would the music player be usable without trackerd? not really, or? Jul 18 13:45:25 if it would, then i could get rid of it Jul 18 13:45:32 steinex, nope, it NEEDS tracker Jul 18 13:45:33 kerio metadata indexing is important in some situations. agreed its implementation isnt perfect but i dont think there is a perfect mechanism Jul 18 13:45:42 it'd be 99.99% unusable w/o tracker Jul 18 13:45:54 lcuk: manual indexing when you tell him to Jul 18 13:46:01 I think tracker is a brilliant idea. Jul 18 13:46:04 or just a damn file browser Jul 18 13:46:10 timeless_mbp, what happened to the 00.01? Jul 18 13:46:20 It just relies on too many variables and our system (I.E. The Media Player) is seriously flawed. Jul 18 13:46:25 MohammadAG51, you get a nice front screen Jul 18 13:46:29 can i see the progress of tracker-indexer? Jul 18 13:46:31 lol Jul 18 13:46:31 MohammadAG51: you can in theory ask the media player top play a file from a commandline Jul 18 13:46:44 Using dbus :) Jul 18 13:46:50 You can use the file manager too. Jul 18 13:47:06 timeless_mbp: or from the file browser! Jul 18 13:47:08 alterego: presumably that uses the commandline Jul 18 13:47:15 timeless_mbp: more likely dbus Jul 18 13:47:32 cutexplorer uses dbus Jul 18 13:47:35 But I Don't know for sure. Jul 18 13:47:47 It'd make sense using the mime database and dbus services. Jul 18 13:49:31 Definitely dbus Jul 18 14:09:37 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/r0bertz/~3/E27SwK9x_0w/type-special-characters-in-xterm-in.html screenshot :) Jul 18 14:12:35 slonopotamus, gentoo user yay! Jul 18 14:39:49 LOL Jul 18 14:40:48 mm? Jul 18 14:41:50 err Jul 18 14:42:28 i still wonder about that red led btw Jul 18 14:42:38 what red led? Jul 18 14:42:46 the cam one? Jul 18 14:42:52 MohammadAG51: that's my problem Jul 18 14:43:02 no red led :/ Jul 18 14:43:18 prolly fried Jul 18 14:43:59 what could cause it to break but not the two surrounding white lights? Jul 18 14:44:20 general generic failure Jul 18 14:45:56 english: bad luck Jul 18 14:59:33 Good evening good evening Jul 18 14:59:40 What is happening? Jul 18 15:00:21 DocScrutinizer: Hi there Doc, I am terribly sorry. I have yet again deceived my brain to trick me into not sending you the N900 adapter. Jul 18 15:00:54 np Jul 18 15:02:53 DocScrutinizer: I might have to look into my brain a bit harder :) Jul 18 15:07:21 hi Jul 18 15:13:47 Jaffa, the youtube video is better sourced Jul 18 15:13:48 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM Jul 18 15:14:02 it can handle more bandwidth than my server and its streaming :P Jul 18 15:15:15 lcuk: Is there a tmo thread now? Jul 18 15:15:26 hi all Jul 18 15:16:02 jaffa, that as well http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58589 Jul 18 15:16:03 hi all Jul 18 15:16:11 any one wanna chat Jul 18 15:16:14 i do like that irc snippet though :) Jul 18 15:16:32 its good to see the actual reaction as people discuss it :) Jul 18 15:17:03 lcuk: Indeed :-) Jul 18 15:17:36 in my application's page I've a warning: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/lastgo/0.2.0/ is it for this reason that "Promote to extras-testing" is not available? Jul 18 15:18:26 Andy80: has it been in testing for 10 days? Jul 18 15:18:42 Oh wait, you're promoting _to_ testing :) Jul 18 15:18:48 Andy80: No. Are you logged in? ;-) Jul 18 15:18:48 Are you logged in? :D Jul 18 15:18:54 smart, don't PM people you do not know, its bad etiquette, if you want to chat start a conversation Jul 18 15:18:54 Heh Jul 18 15:19:31 let me check.. Jul 18 15:19:39 i am new on this server Jul 18 15:19:44 yes, I'm logged Jul 18 15:19:58 pls tel me about this lcuk Jul 18 15:20:58 Andy80: Then you should see "Promote package" on that page. Screenshot? Jul 18 15:21:12 hello jaffa Jul 18 15:21:46 What's the IRC newbie channel? The one where people go when they want to play around with IRC? :) Jul 18 15:21:51 Jaffa: just discovered it's mandatory that field: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist#Lack_of_bug_reporting_database Jul 18 15:22:00 Oh yeah Jul 18 15:22:00 I'll upload a new version.. Jul 18 15:24:12 Andy80: Yeah, but I thought it let you get to testing with it missing; obviously not. Jul 18 15:24:16 (any more) Jul 18 15:25:04 Jaffa: I requested an entry on bugzilla too... but I'll use my email address until it's not available Jul 18 15:25:07 Jaffa, how is your qt playing going, are you comfortable with the apis yet? Jul 18 15:25:52 since the open souring of maps for n810 Jul 18 15:25:57 sourcing Jul 18 15:26:09 does this mean we can port/use on n900? Jul 18 15:27:02 "State of the art test facility", "17 anechoic chambers", "$100 million investment", "18 PhD scientists & engineers" "Advanced antenna design" -- And they still fucked up Jul 18 15:28:17 what was not mentioned was WHEN this investment occured ;) Jul 18 15:28:25 Heh Jul 18 15:28:27 wasnt there news of antenna engineers wanted VERY recently Jul 18 15:28:27 Good point Jul 18 15:28:32 Hahah Jul 18 15:29:01 So I agree holding your handset may affect signal on all phones. It does not however cause your phone to completely loose signal ... Jul 18 15:29:17 lcuk: Not had much chance to do further Qt playing yet Jul 18 15:29:33 lcuk: I was thinking the same thing about Wayfinder. Getting it on my N900 would be good. Jul 18 15:29:59 yeah :) vodafone seem to be applying best practice as far as possible with dead projects Jul 18 15:30:05 * Andy80 still wants Google Maps on N900... the best available around Jul 18 15:30:11 dead closed projects * Jul 18 15:30:23 Andy80, google maps isnt perfect Jul 18 15:30:27 and requires net access Jul 18 15:30:39 try using it out in the middle of nowhere - when you NEED maps Jul 18 15:30:52 ok... it's not perfect but it was very very fast even on my N73... imagine on a N900 Jul 18 15:31:09 when I see people using it on Android or on iPhone I say £"%£$%"%$"!!!! Jul 18 15:31:11 Was 3GS more successful than the N95? Jul 18 15:31:13 * lcuk still uses a photograph of local map Jul 18 15:31:21 much more reliable Jul 18 15:31:29 can be upgraded to include indoor maps Jul 18 15:31:36 v good for conf Jul 18 15:31:44 lcuk: It's depressing that when abroad/at work the fastest way of getting a view of a map from someone's Google Maps web browser is to take a photo of their screen with your N900. Jul 18 15:31:55 * Jaffa feels like there should be something whizzy, quick & Bluetoothy Jul 18 15:32:02 "1.7% iPhone 4 return rate" this is because they're waiting for you to fix the issue. Jul 18 15:32:12 jaffa i photograph maps as soon as i get off a train or something Jul 18 15:32:20 The fact the fix is a rubber band asided .. Jul 18 15:32:23 new places and local knowledge always trumps the internet Jul 18 15:32:57 tho having search and routing is amazing Jul 18 15:33:11 tracy misses Todd from her n810 Jul 18 15:33:45 hi guys..im trying to play around with maemo before i buy a n900. ive dl a image with ubuntu and the sdk..is that the best way to go? Jul 18 15:34:01 and if so how does one install maemo apps on the sdk? Jul 18 15:34:47 "Additional calls dropped per 100 calls compared to iPhone 3GS" Jul 18 15:34:57 additional call per 100 calls wtf? Jul 18 15:35:12 lcuk: Only reason I've still got my N810 is for car mount and Wayfinder. Jul 18 15:35:56 yeah jaffa, hopefully we can get wayfinder license support sorted at very least for other n810 owners Jul 18 15:36:23 even without a port to n900 it would make many people smile :) Jul 18 15:36:31 how long is your license? Jul 18 15:36:36 ie when does it expire Jul 18 15:37:19 lcuk: Hmm, some time next year I think Jul 18 15:37:47 we only ever used to get monthly ones, tracy has been :( since we could not renew Jul 18 15:46:25 Jaffa: now "Promote" link is available, but I wanna wait... i forgot to optify at least the executable (even if it's 250kb) Jul 18 15:48:29 * lcuk ponders optifying /usr/bin Jul 18 15:48:59 * MohammadAG51 ponders optifying / and using mtd5 as swap Jul 18 15:49:04 lcuk: to be really smart, the best thing to do would be to work out a way to detect which things were most frequently accessed, and put them on the NAND flash :P Jul 18 15:49:30 MohammadAG51: that wouldn't quite do it - because the buffer cache is never swapped Jul 18 15:49:38 hmm? Jul 18 15:49:44 Robot101, for sure, and it should be completely transparent to the apps Jul 18 15:49:49 MohammadAG51: so if there's memory pressure *every* damn executable code page will go to MMC... slooooooooooooow Jul 18 15:50:02 i dont like optifying single items tho Jul 18 15:50:05 its more wasteful Jul 18 15:50:10 Robot101, the emmc isn't that slow Jul 18 15:50:18 MohammadAG51: yeah, it really is compared to the flash Jul 18 15:50:23 moving whole folders in one go is somehow cleaner Jul 18 15:50:28 PR1.2 was godawful before a few things were moved back Jul 18 15:50:32 lcuk: investigate overlay filesystems? Jul 18 15:50:42 lcuk: but, cleanliness be damned, we gotta make it fast Jul 18 15:50:49 lcuk: if you have a nice tool/framework for tracking wtf is going on Jul 18 15:50:50 yeah Robot101 i agree Jul 18 15:50:57 lcuk: there's no limit to how we arrange things Jul 18 15:50:58 strace Jul 18 15:51:16 that doesn't give you page accesses Jul 18 15:51:18 putting optification in the filesystem would be nice Jul 18 15:51:18 hmm, i wonder how much space the next device will have Jul 18 15:51:23 +512MBs surely Jul 18 15:51:26 thats actually REALLY nice in principle Jul 18 15:51:39 you need something in kernel to track page accesses for you Jul 18 15:51:57 you want the most commonly executed 256MB of code to be on the MMC Jul 18 15:52:01 er, NAND Jul 18 15:52:13 damn you Robot101 :p its sunday i shouldnt be pondering this today :p Jul 18 15:52:32 lcuk: if you can play with onedotzero at work, you can play with optification on weekends... you love it really :D Jul 18 15:52:47 * lcuk nods sagely Jul 18 15:52:51 hey guys Jul 18 15:52:52 there are overlay filesystems which mush two filesystems together Jul 18 15:52:53 actually.. Jul 18 15:52:56 and offers roast chicken Jul 18 15:52:56 Heh Jul 18 15:52:57 that's quite interesting Jul 18 15:52:59 hmm Jul 18 15:53:01 because - if you have an overlay Jul 18 15:53:05 Ello Venemo Jul 18 15:53:11 then /everything/ is in opt Jul 18 15:53:16 I'm testing XChat on the N900 at the moment Jul 18 15:53:18 lcuk, mind if I ask some questions? Jul 18 15:53:23 so it's totally consistent, you just copy whatever you want on the flash over to the overlaied fs Jul 18 15:53:35 it is not very well hildonized... :( Jul 18 15:53:35 MohammadAG51, ill close ##physics chan then Jul 18 15:53:36 you can tune it at runtime even... :D Jul 18 15:53:42 yeah Robot101 Jul 18 15:53:44 let's just substitute the 256mb of ram with 16gb Jul 18 15:53:45 it would be good Jul 18 15:53:50 lcuk, why was /var/lib/dpkg optified, instead of microb-engine and locales? Jul 18 15:53:56 kerio: and some much bigger batteries... :D Jul 18 15:54:06 MohammadAG51: putting browser on MMC made it hella slow Jul 18 15:54:07 Robot101: well, we're increasing the space it needs, so... Jul 18 15:54:19 also (your) locale gets hit really really often Jul 18 15:54:27 so if you optify it, kiss your UI performance goodbye Jul 18 15:54:32 and the others? meh Jul 18 15:54:34 but, a good point, optify all the /others/ :) Jul 18 15:54:43 when changing languages, swap Jul 18 15:54:47 yeah Jul 18 15:55:09 sth bothers me Jul 18 15:55:35 why the f does Qt use a different locale for numbers Jul 18 15:56:00 fapman for example uses arabic numbers, and I never set anything to arabic except timezone Jul 18 15:56:01 Because there are less numerical formats than languages .. Jul 18 15:56:26 * lcuk still giggles at name fapman Jul 18 15:56:43 fapman is awesome Jul 18 15:56:44 :) Jul 18 15:56:46 way better than HAM Jul 18 15:56:53 Not used it. Jul 18 15:56:59 Might look into it .. Jul 18 15:57:10 Does it have screenshots? Jul 18 15:57:18 no, it has long app lists Jul 18 15:57:23 :P Jul 18 15:57:24 the -devel version looks better Jul 18 15:57:26 fapman is not a complete replacement and does not support everything required, but its damned quick Jul 18 15:57:31 or the -testing version at least Jul 18 15:57:44 lcuk, hmm, what does it not support? Jul 18 15:58:04 does it do software updates? does it handle app restore? Jul 18 15:58:05 so anyone? is there a way to "tst-drive" 900 on a virtual machine or emulator? Jul 18 15:58:17 meh Jul 18 15:58:38 i so wanna make a hildon-application-manager which has 0 shit in it Jul 18 15:58:52 should shut up mp-fremantle-generic-pr and get rid of HAM Jul 18 15:58:59 you cannot have an in production app with 0 shit in it Jul 18 15:59:04 and no ssu Jul 18 15:59:09 but you can divide by 0 Jul 18 15:59:21 you can, because you are special Jul 18 15:59:23 Stskeeps, tbh, SSU also made more problems for me Jul 18 15:59:29 -also Jul 18 15:59:36 i always reflash Jul 18 15:59:41 I don't understand the need for separate app managers Jul 18 15:59:47 and seriously, who's expecting a PR1.3 :P Jul 18 15:59:53 why not just improve HAM? Jul 18 16:00:04 Venemo :) Jul 18 16:00:10 agreed Jul 18 16:00:16 I'm expecting PR1.3, just not any modifications to HAM :P Jul 18 16:00:25 * lcuk is expecting a pr1.3 as wlel Jul 18 16:00:37 MohammadAG51: the engineers working on it expect something to be shipped after 1.2 Jul 18 16:00:41 I expect PR1.3 shortly after the release of Qt 4.7 Jul 18 16:00:41 Venemo: "improving" ham would mean rewriting it in a sane way Jul 18 16:00:47 as for expecting it to have a given name... Jul 18 16:00:49 I actually thinik they're waiting on 4.7 Jul 18 16:01:04 but yeah, at the very least, we're committed to shipping a which has Qt4.7 Jul 18 16:01:08 I want the new pulseaudio package Jul 18 16:01:15 i want a pony Jul 18 16:01:16 because our goal is for people to be able to use the n900 to build apps for Jul 18 16:01:20 i want no pulseaudio Jul 18 16:01:22 kerio: are you familiar with its code or just saying it? Jul 18 16:01:24 * MohammadAG51 gives lcuk a pony Jul 18 16:01:27 Venemo: just saying Jul 18 16:01:40 kerio: you can replace the entire platform w/ something else Jul 18 16:01:44 i actually don't know how to program in compiled languages :/ Jul 18 16:01:48 you aren't required to use tracker, or image-viewer Jul 18 16:01:51 or the media player Jul 18 16:01:53 or pulse Jul 18 16:01:59 timeless_mbp: or the n900! Jul 18 16:02:01 :D Jul 18 16:02:03 well, if you want to replace pulse, you need to replace the phone stack Jul 18 16:02:14 but the others are optional Jul 18 16:02:15 Heh Jul 18 16:02:16 is it me, or is the meego gallery a black window Jul 18 16:02:25 * kerio goes to buy an iPhone 4 with a bumper that matches his shoes Jul 18 16:02:28 MohammadAG51: didn't work for me either .. Jul 18 16:02:33 heh Jul 18 16:02:56 kerio: lol Jul 18 16:03:16 Stil can't get the 4.7 madde toolchain to work :( Jul 18 16:03:27 go scratchbox! Jul 18 16:03:34 pfft Jul 18 16:03:42 Scratchbox is a pain in the ass Jul 18 16:04:13 madde is a wannabe Jul 18 16:04:35 madde allows building/linking with other non qt libs doesnt it? Jul 18 16:04:38 madde is not bad, just unfinished Jul 18 16:04:51 lcuk: yes it does Jul 18 16:04:59 I like madde Jul 18 16:05:00 does it allow building of non qt apps Jul 18 16:05:07 timeless_mbp: Jul 18 16:05:08 er Jul 18 16:05:12 lcuk: yes Jul 18 16:05:13 lcuk: sure Jul 18 16:05:19 lcuk: it wasn't developed for Qt at all. Jul 18 16:05:51 timeless_mbp: i know i whine a lot - it's just that i see an incredible potential in the n900 Jul 18 16:05:55 althought it is a bit problematic to install 3rd party libs to madde, it is possible, too Jul 18 16:06:14 does anyone have a tent I could borrow tonight? Jul 18 16:06:32 I'm working on a module at the moment that uses the accelerometer to decide whether the GPS data you're receiving is worth using to update the screen. Jul 18 16:06:54 huh alterego ? Jul 18 16:06:59 alterego: cute Jul 18 16:07:18 alterego: still the ovi store app? Jul 18 16:07:22 Well, if you've not accelerated 50m/s then you're unlikely to have moved as much as the GPS thinks you do sometimes. Jul 18 16:08:20 I'm also adding in an adaptive algorithm that uses H/V DOP to decide how likely it is that you're bolting around like a nutter. Jul 18 16:08:22 hm. XChat would really need some polishing on its UI Jul 18 16:08:22 crashanddie: i have one here... Jul 18 16:08:31 untested, but.. Jul 18 16:08:32 And it has averaging to make the data "smoother". Jul 18 16:08:35 it is not finger friendly at all Jul 18 16:08:52 Use irssi :P Jul 18 16:08:56 Venemo: use the keyboard Jul 18 16:09:31 kerio: i use the keyboard Jul 18 16:09:31 yes Venemo RST38h looked extensively at modifying the text list but found issues with other parts of the system that would require a more invasive patch Jul 18 16:09:52 shift+pgup/shift+pgdwn to change channel, shift+up/down to go up and down in the text Jul 18 16:10:04 ctrl+enter to go fullscreen Jul 18 16:10:15 lcuk: is RST38h the developer of the Maemo port of XChat? Jul 18 16:11:14 yes, do you need an angry mob? Jul 18 16:11:24 Venemo, RST38h is a system hacker whos looked at many apps on the platform and yes i think hes marked as current maintainer, but i am not sure its his primary focus Jul 18 16:11:48 lcuk: ah, okay. Jul 18 16:11:56 ie, if you want to have a go at patching it, i am sure he and everyone else will be happy to assist in any way possible :P Jul 18 16:12:20 lcuk: well, I would help with the UI Jul 18 16:12:40 there are ui overviews already, its coding them up thats tough Jul 18 16:12:50 Grrr ... Jul 18 16:12:52 and making sure they dont break the system Jul 18 16:12:53 WTF doesn't madde work. Jul 18 16:13:01 are you getting madde? Jul 18 16:13:13 I use madde Jul 18 16:14:35 Heh Jul 18 16:14:38 I'm more than madde :P Jul 18 16:14:58 I use madde successfully, but now I want to use Qt 4.7 but I can't get the madde 4.7 toolchain to work .. Jul 18 16:15:46 I also found a bug in QtDeclarative :) Jul 18 16:17:03 there is an IRC plugin for conversations and contacts Jul 18 16:17:20 I just use irssi Jul 18 16:17:20 however, it can't seem to join channels Jul 18 16:18:04 lol what use is it then? Jul 18 16:18:21 I dunno... Jul 18 16:18:32 It is possible that I couldn't figure it out Jul 18 16:18:44 I could send PMs with it Jul 18 16:18:52 but /join didn't work Jul 18 16:19:23 lol what if it added all users in the userlist to your contacts Jul 18 16:19:47 I could send a PM to any of them Jul 18 16:20:08 :D Jul 18 16:20:17 499 contacts in the contacts app? wouldn't want that Jul 18 16:20:19 did you add # before the channel? Jul 18 16:20:21 498* Jul 18 16:20:26 yes. Jul 18 16:21:03 DrGrov: check -devel for starhash-enabler. Should appear there in a few minutes Jul 18 16:21:05 * lcuk speaks to many people who do not join channels on irc networks Jul 18 16:21:47 lcuk: I too like to speak with vldcnst. Jul 18 16:22:00 haha! Jul 18 16:23:19 I couldn't even get it to work on 32bit ubuntu .. Jul 18 16:23:20 hm Jul 18 16:23:38 HAM is starting to annoy me Jul 18 16:29:07 it refreshes its catalogs every time I go back from a category to the main place Jul 18 16:29:27 and... it is unusable while refreshing. Jul 18 16:29:33 yep Jul 18 16:29:37 Venemo: use fapman! Jul 18 16:29:38 i want to reflash my system now, do i have to flash this fiasco thingy? i read about that. normally i just would flash the emmc and the pr. Jul 18 16:29:54 kahless_weg: "this fiasco thingy" is the pr Jul 18 16:30:01 why couldn't they make it refresh on a separate thread? Jul 18 16:30:02 well, pr+kernel Jul 18 16:30:02 COMBINED Jul 18 16:30:14 that's why it's called* Jul 18 16:30:26 i have "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" Jul 18 16:30:34 and I would *not* flash eMMC Jul 18 16:31:12 as that'd wipe all my data and config Jul 18 16:31:23 hmm, i would like to clean everything and start from "scratch". im following a nokia howto Jul 18 16:31:31 that may be good in some cases Jul 18 16:31:44 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Jul 18 16:31:53 if you really wanna wipe everything, flash the eMMC, too Jul 18 16:31:54 if that is what you want to do Jul 18 16:32:03 yeah :) Jul 18 16:32:15 i think i have everything backupped Jul 18 16:32:16 don't boot in between flashes! Jul 18 16:32:34 DocScrutinizer: nope i dont :) Jul 18 16:33:21 anyone here familiar with Modest's development? Jul 18 16:33:40 then i reflash now, wish me luck Jul 18 16:34:05 are the bug fixes from the TMO guy applied to the main branch, too Jul 18 16:34:34 * DocScrutinizer taps table, waiting for his very first uebercool "app" appearing in repo - even extremely optimized for short codelength ;-P Jul 18 16:35:33 DocScrutinizer: what app is that? Jul 18 16:35:42 starhash-enabler Jul 18 16:36:23 a lil fancy to grow N900 to a real phone Jul 18 16:37:06 * Venemo wonders, what is starhash? Jul 18 16:37:16 *# Jul 18 16:37:19 so simple Jul 18 16:37:40 i'm sorry? Jul 18 16:38:12 enables star (*) nn hash (#) codes in dialer Jul 18 16:38:25 all codes? Jul 18 16:38:30 yo Jul 18 16:38:34 afaikt Jul 18 16:38:58 *#67# Jul 18 16:39:24 **61*911*21*30# Jul 18 16:40:43 WHAT!? http://thedailywh.at/post/819817745/invalid-argument-of-the-day-i-have-no-idea-what Jul 18 16:40:52 evaluation is still going on, about completeness of codes supported regarding TS22.030 Jul 18 16:44:32 poor ibex Jul 18 16:45:31 DocScrutinizer: ah, I undestand Jul 18 16:46:56 http://maemo.org/packages/view/starhash-enabler/ Jul 18 16:48:41 lcuk: you could maybe use/abuse readahead-collector to monitor how often files are accessed Jul 18 16:49:24 reflash works *happy* Jul 18 16:52:16 Robot101, it would be tricky to get something right but certainly we can investigate - tricky part is sliding any replacement method ontop Jul 18 16:52:53 i did write the notes for dynamic optify/unoptify tho so would need to expand on that aspect Jul 18 16:53:33 * lcuk sends a mail to look more cos tea is ready and im already on my 3rd beer o_O Jul 18 16:54:07 :D Jul 18 16:55:53 DocScrutinizer: what is that thing doing? Jul 18 16:56:09 jacekowski: nuttin :-P Jul 18 16:56:28 echo "foobarshit" >>somefile Jul 18 16:56:42 oOOOOO Jul 18 16:56:43 oO Jul 18 16:56:49 is that all Jul 18 16:56:54 yep :-D Jul 18 16:56:59 so why it was broken in 1st place Jul 18 16:57:01 basically Jul 18 16:57:08 10.04 is rather nice Jul 18 16:57:14 echo -e "[supplementary]\nssc=1" >> /home/user/.osso/call-ui.ini Jul 18 16:57:16 hmm Jul 18 16:58:53 0 bytes prog text, 50 bytes config, 5MB build and wrapper and chrome and foo Jul 18 16:59:24 to make HAM happy Jul 18 16:59:41 so you can clickyclicky Jul 18 17:00:59 what about video calls? Jul 18 17:01:10 unrelated? Jul 18 17:01:17 kind of Jul 18 17:01:25 i've just noticed an export from call-ui Jul 18 17:01:29 EXPORT cui_video_call_view_new Jul 18 17:01:50 * DocScrutinizer suggests `strings call-ui` Jul 18 17:02:08 hmmm Jul 18 17:02:13 who knows what else is burried there Jul 18 17:02:25 it's not phone app itself Jul 18 17:02:30 that's doing that stuff Jul 18 17:02:34 it's one of the libs Jul 18 17:02:42 mhm Jul 18 17:02:49 * DocScrutinizer afk Jul 18 17:10:37 hmm, there are other things Jul 18 17:10:38 like Jul 18 17:10:57 orientation in section rotation Jul 18 17:13:45 loads of interesting stuff in librtcom-call-ui.so.0 Jul 18 17:14:27 jacekowski: reversing? Jul 18 17:15:08 maybe Jul 18 17:16:03 jacekowski: do me (and all maemo community) a favor and reverse + document libcal write algo :) Jul 18 17:16:32 i already reversed it Jul 18 17:16:44 i just have to write a paper Jul 18 17:16:49 o_O Jul 18 17:17:23 well, i know how to create a valid block Jul 18 17:17:33 i don't know how libcal alocates blocks Jul 18 17:17:38 but that's simple Jul 18 17:17:39 i know too :) i don't know where to put it. Jul 18 17:18:05 /dev/mtd1 Jul 18 17:18:18 at any not allocated position Jul 18 17:18:22 * slonopotamus wonders if he really looks that dumb Jul 18 17:18:25 bye guys, I'm leaving now Jul 18 17:18:42 jacekowski: /dev/mtd1 is a file-like device. Jul 18 17:19:16 yep Jul 18 17:19:18 jacekowski: that's what i have currently: http://git.slonopotamus.org/?p=opendsme;a=blob;f=src/libopencal.c;h=fcb51c82e9de2ac53ee468606b98ac602111d01d;hb=HEAD#l437 Jul 18 17:19:54 jacekowski: read func is above. Jul 18 17:20:04 lbt, around? Jul 18 17:22:30 jacekowski: but it doesn't know where to write if it is the first block with given name and can't erase blocks Jul 18 17:24:54 lbt, ping me when around :) Jul 18 17:28:45 ok Jul 18 17:41:07 jacekowski: what did that "ok" mean? Jul 18 17:44:16 i'll add that to a paper Jul 18 17:44:25 and these flags Jul 18 17:44:30 it seems like these flags Jul 18 17:45:00 thse are flags that are the last parameter for cal_write_block Jul 18 17:45:05 jacekowski: you can see what i have and (hopefully) can reverse what i'm missing Jul 18 17:46:25 ConF, 0x02, 1b ver, 1b flags Jul 18 17:46:31 these flags Jul 18 17:47:46 helllooo Jul 18 17:49:58 jacekowski: you're talking about on-disk header format? i have it. Jul 18 17:52:08 is it possible to use an n900 as a bluetooth keyboard with a mac or pc? Jul 18 17:53:27 IcanCU: in linux, you can do everything. either via using appropriate app or via writing it yourself Jul 18 17:53:49 Apparently it is, but I never got it working Jul 18 17:53:50 ok let me rephrase: did somebody already make such an app? Jul 18 17:54:16 ah ok Jul 18 17:56:12 IcanCU, bluemaemo Jul 18 17:57:07 awesome... Jul 18 17:57:23 thx lcuk ! Jul 18 17:57:30 * luke-jr is going to have to switch 100% to Gentoo just to get something reliable :/ Jul 18 17:57:43 stupid Maemo keeps disconnecting me from 3G and not reconnecting -.- Jul 18 17:58:15 just increase gprs timeout Jul 18 17:58:36 hmm Jul 18 17:59:03 Stskeeps: I was out of range for at least 15 minutes... Jul 18 17:59:07 any good ideas for towers game clone? cant find something decent (only a flash crappy one) Jul 18 17:59:12 the problem is it never reconnects on its own Jul 18 17:59:17 I have to go into settings and put it in Manual Jul 18 17:59:21 then wait 5 minutes for it to scan Jul 18 17:59:22 etc Jul 18 18:00:51 luke-jr: hmm, mine survives 15 mins at times Jul 18 18:01:04 check gprs-timeout somewhere in gprs Jul 18 18:01:08 ... Jul 18 18:01:13 #G is a problem on the N900? Jul 18 18:01:16 it's not just GPRS Jul 18 18:01:17 3G Jul 18 18:01:21 it's the whole 2G/3G uplink Jul 18 18:01:36 IcanCU: if you live in Nebraska where 3G is almost unheard of Jul 18 18:02:06 gprs_timeout covers any data conn Jul 18 18:02:08 in gconf Jul 18 18:02:17 Stskeeps: I'm not talking about just data Jul 18 18:02:24 ahh i live in holland.. good 3G here Jul 18 18:03:06 on another note... my N810 is rebuilding everything with GCC 4.4 >>> Installing (17 of 547) sys-devel/automake-wrapper-4 Jul 18 18:03:10 luke-jr: yeah i know Jul 18 18:06:48 can i delete ext3 partiton and make the mmc fat32 using n900? Jul 18 18:07:22 probably not Jul 18 18:07:26 why on earth would you want to? Jul 18 18:07:29 fat sucks Jul 18 18:07:48 n900 can't read ext3 Jul 18 18:08:13 so ext3 mmc is of no use Jul 18 18:10:09 th3hate: eh? Jul 18 18:10:47 yes? Jul 18 18:11:15 i want to reformat my MMC to fat32 using my n900 Jul 18 18:11:22 its ext3 atm Jul 18 18:13:52 th3hate: n900 CAN read ext3 - evidently, as /home is ext3. It just doesn't automount ext3 partitions on uSD Jul 18 18:14:20 th3hate: N900's internal MMC *defaults* to ext3 Jul 18 18:14:37 mount /dev/mmc1p1 /mnt/myExt3 and your're done Jul 18 18:14:41 th3hate: in any case, flash-blocks should be ext2, not ext3 Jul 18 18:14:53 here's the problem: Jul 18 18:14:57 mmc was all fat32 Jul 18 18:14:58 do note that Maemo for some reason requires you to explicitly specify -t ext2 to mount it Jul 18 18:15:07 i made part of it ext3 using this code: Jul 18 18:15:08 sfdisk -uM /dev/mmcblk1 << EOF Jul 18 18:15:08 ,100,C Jul 18 18:15:09 ,,L Jul 18 18:15:09 ,, Jul 18 18:15:10 ,, Jul 18 18:15:12 EOF Jul 18 18:15:15 DocScrutinizer: Maemo mount fails autodetect Jul 18 18:15:16 now i want to make it all fat32 back Jul 18 18:16:08 luke-jr: nope it doesn't. I've done exactly this (except the actual names) some 5 days ago Jul 18 18:16:28 DocScrutinizer: I know from experience. Jul 18 18:16:40 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Jul 18 18:17:14 /dev/mmcblk1p2 on /mnt type ext3 (0) Jul 18 18:17:32 maybe ext3 autodetect works better than ext2 Jul 18 18:17:35 but ext3 on MMC is bad Jul 18 18:17:37 maybe I remember wrong and really gave -t ext3 Jul 18 18:19:29 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# mount /dev/mmcblk1p2 /mnt Jul 18 18:19:31 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# mount | grep /dev/mmcblk1p2 Jul 18 18:19:32 /dev/mmcblk1p2 on /mnt type ext3 (0) Jul 18 18:20:57 th3hate: anyway, go to hildon file manager, clickhold card, select 'format' Jul 18 18:21:49 th3hate: if no card in HFM, then just format it on your desktop PC - probably much simpler than doing it in N900 Jul 18 18:22:21 nonsense Jul 18 18:22:27 mkfs.vfat /dev/whatever Jul 18 18:22:32 trivial Jul 18 18:22:38 wut? Jul 18 18:22:40 N900 can't read it, windows can't read ext3 as well Jul 18 18:22:48 so i can only format it using linux i guess Jul 18 18:22:49 and what's about partiton table type?? Jul 18 18:23:02 DocScrutinizer: didn't he already do that? Jul 18 18:23:59 th3hate: you do not need to read a card's filesystem to switch to another filesystem by partitioning&formatting Jul 18 18:24:41 luke-jr: distcc can be quite helpful for large rebuilds.. allows you to send all actual compilation to some faster CPUs with the main one just doing precompilation. Requires a compatible crosscompiler on your other computers and some reasonable networking. Jul 18 18:25:47 th3hate: and - as I elaborated above - N900 CAN read ext3. Just if you missed to format the card to ext3 like luke-jr suggested 3 lines above after you did that sfdisk stuff, then nobody can read it as it's not existing Jul 18 18:26:21 sfdisk just changes the partition table and type therein, the filesysten itself needs a formatting to work Jul 18 18:28:05 th3hate: and of course N900 *can* format a ext3 partition on a uSD Jul 18 18:28:33 th3hate: mkfs.ext3 /dev/mmcblk1p1 Jul 18 18:29:09 or p2 or whatever partition you designated to be the ext3 one Jul 18 18:31:24 hno: still takes forever Jul 18 18:31:41 th3hate: but again, do ext2, not ext3 Jul 18 18:32:05 I'd quite like to help with h-e-n Jul 18 18:32:11 I've got a little kernel hacking experience. Jul 18 18:32:28 hno: happily, I run Gentoo on basically everything, so it's a trivial "crossdev arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi" command to get one Jul 18 18:32:35 alterego: wtf is h-e-n Jul 18 18:32:47 N900 USB host mode support Jul 18 18:33:15 o Jul 18 18:33:23 PR1.2 has that enabled by default AFAIK Jul 18 18:33:36 Erm, what? Jul 18 18:33:54 I think you're confused :P Jul 18 18:33:54 USB host mode Jul 18 18:34:02 speaking of gentoo, i ought to update my router, which hasn't been updated at least since april Jul 18 18:34:02 no, I'm just talking from the .config Jul 18 18:34:35 Well, it's pretty obvious it's not working ... Jul 18 18:34:41 Otherwise we'd all be doing it. Jul 18 18:34:42 (armv5tejl 1.2GHz + 512MB of ram + 512MB of internal flash + 2.5" 750GB sata drive) Jul 18 18:34:45 alterego: did you switch to it? Jul 18 18:34:53 Switch to what? Jul 18 18:34:59 alterego: host mode Jul 18 18:35:08 arachnist: OpenRD? Jul 18 18:35:13 alterego: it's Host mode, not OTG Jul 18 18:35:17 luke-jr: yup, openrd-client Jul 18 18:35:25 Yes luke-jr I do know the distinction Jul 18 18:35:40 I don't realy want to kill bme Jul 18 18:35:44 (what IS the distinction?) Jul 18 18:35:51 Though I might play with it at some point Jul 18 18:35:59 flux: OTG auto-detects based on the cable Jul 18 18:36:00 They need a better solution though Jul 18 18:36:27 It's not really even true host mode. Jul 18 18:36:33 But that's neither here nor there .. Jul 18 18:38:04 one stupid question: if on the device I want to test the application without a connection available, I simply don't connect to the wifi and test, but what if I want to do the same on my PC? I'd like to start the application with some parameter that doesn't let it to connect... without having to disconnect my pc from network :P is it possible? Jul 18 18:38:47 Andy80: kind of hard to tell you if we don't know what environment your running in Jul 18 18:39:27 alterego: right.... I'm on Linux (ubuntu) and have to test a Qt application Jul 18 18:39:50 Are you using the Nokia Qt SDK or Scratchbox? Jul 18 18:40:32 hostmode is NOT available in PR1.2 Jul 18 18:40:41 Actually, the simulator has stuff for network control I thought .. Jul 18 18:40:50 DocScrutinizer: kernel has it enabled :P Jul 18 18:40:54 alterego: Nokia SDK Jul 18 18:41:00 luke-jr: gnagnagna Jul 18 18:41:18 yeah... simulator could be fine, but audio doesn't work :\ Jul 18 18:41:43 I copy you the error I het Jul 18 18:42:15 defaultServiceProvider::requestService(): no service found for - "com.nokia.qt.mediaplayer" Jul 18 18:42:40 You're probably better of asking in #qt-maemo Jul 18 18:42:46 luke-jr: there's roundabout everything missing for real hostmode, and defconfig just enables the host part of OTG, and hostmode does nothing really Jul 18 18:44:25 How do i download maps for my N900. Tried using ovi suite but it says my phone doesn't support maps... Jul 18 18:45:12 ok, I'll do it Jul 18 18:45:50 alterego: join h-e-n, /join maemo-hostmode-discussion, read/check/understand the hostmode thread on tmo (at least from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=583165#post583165 to last) Jul 18 18:46:15 Tuukka: Maps is included on your N900 Jul 18 18:46:34 but it kinda sucks Jul 18 18:46:43 kerio: so it sucks. what else is new? Jul 18 18:46:54 no voice instructions, no searching without data Jul 18 18:47:08 kerio: so hire someone to write better navigation software Jul 18 18:47:17 although it's nice that you can point somewhere and ask for the route Jul 18 18:47:28 I know but you should be able to use map loader.... Jul 18 18:47:33 luke-jr: maybe it was me who hired Sygic Jul 18 18:47:37 :P Jul 18 18:47:38 wtf is Sygic? Jul 18 18:47:40 Tuukka: you are Jul 18 18:47:43 I don't want to use 3g to load the maps Jul 18 18:47:59 download a newer version Jul 18 18:48:18 luke-jr: you seem to be in a rather foul mood today Jul 18 18:48:22 i have italy here, downloaded with the map loader Jul 18 18:48:42 DocScrutinizer: where'd you get that idea? Jul 18 18:48:43 newest ovi suite? Jul 18 18:48:44 DocScrutinizer: tbh i *am* whiny Jul 18 18:48:55 luke-jr, sygic mobile maps 9 for maemo has offline routing and turn-by-turn voice assisted navigation Jul 18 18:48:56 Tuukka: try searching for updates Jul 18 18:49:01 (on your computer) Jul 18 18:49:10 ShadowJK: oh. but it's proprietary. :( Jul 18 18:49:12 ShadowJK: ovi maps has offline routing Jul 18 18:49:24 it doesn't have offline search Jul 18 18:53:29 Tuukka: wifi works fine for loading maps, but you need to browse around the areas you have interest in before disconnecting or it will try downloading them later... Jul 18 18:54:22 DocScrutinizer: ah yes, I will do that. Thanks Jul 18 18:54:43 DocScrutinizer: Unfortunately I do not use the -devel repos but I will install it manually with just the link to the .deb Jul 18 18:54:55 np Jul 18 18:57:13 DocScrutinizer: How good is that devel version of starhash? Buggy? :D Jul 18 18:57:32 just works Jul 18 19:00:08 DocScrutinizer: is it optified? :P Jul 18 19:00:18 lol Jul 18 19:01:16 btw, why does N900 only report 239 MB RAM? Jul 18 19:01:23 where'd the other 17 MB go? Jul 18 19:02:00 kernel memory? Jul 18 19:02:01 * ShadowJK bets the dsp codecs eat it Jul 18 19:02:37 it had a rough night out at the pub and will report in later Jul 18 19:35:38 luke-jr: Mine says 245348 Jul 18 19:36:05 which is 239, right... Jul 18 19:36:12 luke-jr: check memory map Jul 18 19:36:13 hmmm Jul 18 19:36:31 i'm wondering how do you get a memory map out of it Jul 18 19:37:26 otoh my amd64 is "missing" 40MB.. Jul 18 19:42:20 i think you need to look at the kernel sources to figure out where it goes :) Jul 18 21:03:24 interesting Jul 18 21:03:35 sub has now run sw eps1..3 and next week it's running 4 Jul 18 21:16:23 600㎒ :P Jul 18 21:17:32 there's a MHz character? Jul 18 21:17:33 :o Jul 18 21:19:13 GHz too Jul 18 21:19:19 IIRC also KHz Jul 18 21:19:39 and ofc ㎐ Jul 18 21:19:49 ㎑ Jul 18 21:20:00 ㎓ Jul 18 21:20:07 go figure why these are classified as CJK Jul 18 21:21:29 hya guys.. can anyone help me out with the sdk from http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/ Jul 18 21:21:40 mwahaha Jul 18 21:21:45 I used xrandr to flip my N900 screen XD Jul 18 21:22:05 o.o Jul 18 21:22:09 i cant seem to get internet going either on the virtual machine or in maemo on xephr Jul 18 21:22:48 luke-jr: with maemo? Jul 18 21:22:50 :o Jul 18 21:22:55 kerio: with Gentoo Jul 18 21:22:57 well Jul 18 21:23:01 oh Jul 18 21:23:02 Maemo is running X Jul 18 21:23:04 you're cheating Jul 18 21:23:05 Gentoo has xrandr binary Jul 18 21:23:08 you big cheater Jul 18 21:23:28 just build xrandr for Maemo and it will work :P Jul 18 21:24:19 surprisingly GLES accel seems to continue working too Jul 18 21:24:39 but I suppose it was all designed to Jul 18 21:24:53 anyone? Jul 18 21:24:53 orientation returns to normal after the phone app changes to portait and back Jul 18 21:27:01 luke-jr: so it's not just a kludge? Jul 18 21:27:03 nice Jul 18 21:27:14 right, the phone app seems to use it Jul 18 21:28:00 hmm, a build kernel source is 1 GB... maybe I *do* want to cross-compile... XD Jul 18 22:14:48 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 18 22:16:50 lcukn900: it might help if there was an obvious way *to* submit to Maemo news Jul 18 22:18:18 luke-jr start by going onto planet and talk about your posts and stuff Jul 18 22:23:05 Ok - I'm sure I've asked this question before, but I have suffered a parity error. Jul 18 22:23:13 Was there a FTP sharing plugin? Jul 18 22:23:18 For photos and stuff Jul 18 22:23:38 there should be Jul 18 22:23:41 ovi Jul 18 22:23:51 not ovi Jul 18 22:24:01 I meant it's on the ovi store Jul 18 22:24:25 i believe there is Jul 18 22:24:27 sharing-service-ftp - FTP photo, video, audio and file Uploader Jul 18 22:24:27 ah - right Jul 18 22:24:28 sharing-service-ftp - FTP photo, video, audio and file Uploader Jul 18 22:24:31 LOL Jul 18 22:24:36 slow as Jul 18 22:24:37 s Jul 18 22:25:14 There we go. Jul 18 22:25:20 your fault, /var is on /opt :P Jul 18 22:25:24 moh, you need to get faster Jul 18 22:25:32 mine is there too Jul 18 22:25:35 my eMMC needs to get faster Jul 18 22:25:41 meh Jul 18 22:26:03 lcukn900, maemo-list-user-packages | wc -l Jul 18 22:26:04 now Jul 18 22:26:05 :P Jul 18 22:26:34 lcukn900: ... Jul 18 22:26:41 how in gods name do i do that Jul 18 22:26:47 * lcukn900 cannot pipe Jul 18 22:27:13 lol why Jul 18 22:27:45 also, I noticed a post about some FaceBrick GSoC... just wondering: what's the point, when N900 already has a FaceBook client? Jul 18 22:28:23 what client Jul 18 22:28:25 Native farmville support? Jul 18 22:28:53 MohammadAG: FaceBook for N900? Jul 18 22:29:16 that's a stupid broken by design widget that doesn't show shit Jul 18 22:30:00 SpeedEvil: I'm a proud member of "I dont care about your farm, or your fish, or your park, or your mafia!!!" Jul 18 22:30:06 MohammadAG: works for me Jul 18 22:31:11 Ok - that's broken Jul 18 22:31:13 luke-jr you care enough to join. you are like someone who doesnt have a tv :p Jul 18 22:31:26 Account setup FTP - then it goes on about pixelpipe Jul 18 22:31:37 I want to set it up to go to my ISPs webspace Jul 18 22:33:24 pixelpipe forwards crap Jul 18 22:33:30 ~ping Jul 18 22:33:31 ~pong Jul 18 22:33:40 cool, went into standby and I''m still connected Jul 18 22:48:29 luke-jr: the webui isn't great on low bw, and the widget is cute but not a client Jul 18 22:48:42 luke-jr: a nice little app that posts and does basic things is great on the road Jul 18 22:49:39 I still want a good twitter client though... Jul 18 22:52:19 lcukn900: huh? Jul 18 22:58:47 luke-jr you said you joined a group to say you didnt care about something. you care more than me lol Jul 18 23:05:09 lcukn900: I care in a negative sense Jul 18 23:05:19 it gets annoying to click Ignore every few days Jul 18 23:05:20 :p Jul 18 23:15:02 has anyone tried getting go (the language) in n810? I don't know if it has support :? Jul 18 23:15:53 Isn't it a JVM language? Jul 18 23:21:51 FauxFaux: no, not at all Jul 18 23:22:17 FauxFaux: one of go's big deals is the speed of the compiler and linker Jul 18 23:23:12 C isn't inherently slow Jul 18 23:23:16 http://bellard.org/tcc/tccboot.html Jul 18 23:24:09 b was much faster Jul 18 23:24:41 Copyright (c) 2004 Fabrice Bellard -- I see that project caught on Jul 18 23:25:01 speedevil its not arm compat afaik :( Jul 18 23:25:06 It was clearly just a demo - he's done an _insane_ amount of stuff though. Jul 18 23:25:13 lcukn900: Fix that then! :) Jul 18 23:25:14 asj fabrice has done many projects Jul 18 23:25:30 I remember lzexe from back in the day. Jul 18 23:26:07 qemu, tinygl, ffmpeg... Jul 18 23:26:23 the guy knows what hes talking about Jul 18 23:26:23 lcukn900: I wasn't insulting the guy ;) Jul 18 23:26:43 * lcukn900 nods Jul 18 23:27:08 asj im betting it helped him in many ways Jul 18 23:27:23 SpeedEvil: outright freaky, thanks for the link! Jul 18 23:27:45 lcukn900: mmm, yes. it got /.ed and out of the swarm of idiots there are good people Jul 18 23:27:46 I haven't compiled a kernel in ages, though Jul 18 23:27:55 I don't know how long gcc takes to compile the kernel these days Jul 18 23:28:09 last time I tried it, it was ~1 hour, I think Jul 18 23:28:30 heh, in 100kb I wonder what tcc error messages are like: "Error line: 145 file.c", "You're fucked" Jul 18 23:28:40 luke-jr how long does it take in gentoo? Jul 18 23:28:41 "Error in file" Jul 18 23:28:49 angasule: Took 3 hours last time. Jul 18 23:28:54 (thoug htat was on the phone) Jul 18 23:29:14 SpeedEvil: heh I meant on a regular computer, with something like an i5 Jul 18 23:30:37 * lcukn900 beds Jul 18 23:35:16 * DocScrutinizer waves at lcukn900 Jul 18 23:36:55 heh. my son cracks me up with this lego batman Jul 18 23:54:41 lcukn900: ? Jul 19 00:02:07 Hi, is there any way to tell modest to notify me when there are new mails in a folder? Jul 19 00:02:38 where is the data usage stored? Jul 19 00:02:50 i think i messed it up a bit and now i have 276 B upped that persist after reset Jul 19 00:04:23 gconf Jul 19 00:04:26 err Jul 19 00:04:35 I forget how to access it Jul 19 00:04:43 gconf-tool or omething can do it Jul 19 00:06:30 gconftool Jul 19 00:06:42 oh crap i didn't mess it up, i upped 276 bytes of data in roaming Jul 19 00:06:45 how did i do that? Jul 19 00:06:51 it's configured to ask me to enable roaming data D: Jul 19 00:06:58 odd Jul 19 00:07:05 276 bytes... Jul 19 00:07:12 only upped? Jul 19 00:07:19 yup Jul 19 00:07:37 nothing springs to mind Jul 19 00:07:42 meh Jul 19 00:07:47 i hope i don't get charged for that Jul 19 00:25:55 gah Jul 19 00:26:07 gobject-introspection really hates scratchbox :P Jul 19 00:26:08 * lcukn900 rollseyes @ #liqbase lesbian screen discussion Jul 19 00:27:57 I've just started following http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK, but it appears that they are using an obsolete Xephyr switch, "-kb", does anyone know what this did, or what I can use instead to make a proper window for Maemo development? Jul 19 00:29:43 or perhaps the switch doesn't really matter, at all Jul 19 00:30:21 use real phone Jul 19 00:30:34 ARMEL target doesn't work with X Jul 19 00:31:05 yigal just try with and without? Jul 19 00:31:20 this fails however, af-sb-init.sh start Jul 19 00:31:49 lcukn900: can't really try 'with it' the switch has been removed from Xephyr Jul 19 00:32:10 Hrm Jul 19 00:32:24 then dont worry Jul 19 00:33:10 thanks? if it doesn't work then don't worry, that's an awesome philosophy Jul 19 00:33:19 Is it possible to fetch metadata about current song playing via dbus from the Nokia media player? Jul 19 00:33:36 Apparently one can play/pause and similar, at least Jul 19 00:33:53 saves time and energy Jul 19 00:34:03 yigal is there a problem with it being missed i thought you were just pondering Jul 19 00:35:00 firefly "mafw" is what you should be talking to. yes it can be used to get that info Jul 19 00:35:23 mmm not sure how much metadata though you will have to look Jul 19 00:35:34 Hmm, all right, I'll take a look Jul 19 00:35:36 Thanks for the hint Jul 19 00:35:44 lcukn900: no, I want to learn to cross compile - initially routino, http://www.routino.org/software/, just a cli program and then later more complicated apps. so right now I can't Jul 19 00:36:04 but scratchbox works? Jul 19 00:36:21 yigal, I sat up the Maemo SDK a few days ago, annd running without -kb should work all right Jul 19 00:36:39 this fails however, af-sb-init.sh start Jul 19 00:36:41 Try "restart" Jul 19 00:36:50 FireFly: ok Jul 19 00:37:05 Worked for me (probably because I had tried "start" tonnes of times before and it hadn't cleaned up stuff) Jul 19 00:37:28 owell segfault this time Jul 19 00:37:42 will try again, sign off, sign in and see if I'm lucky Jul 19 00:37:53 Good luck Jul 19 00:38:22 thank you, I really wish I didn't need it, but thank you Jul 19 00:43:31 FireFly: yay, got it Jul 19 00:44:00 FireFly: did it right, and magically it worked Jul 19 00:44:07 Awesome :) Jul 19 00:46:40 n82 Jul 19 00:47:21 DocScrutinizer: after looking little bit deeper into librtcomsomething Jul 19 00:47:58 DocScrutinizer: it looks like there is nothing special really with these codes Jul 19 00:48:48 DocScrutinizer: and unless there is something with cellmo that has been changed (they would use different firmware in different phones?) then i don't understand why it was disabled Jul 19 00:49:24 someone pressed ctrl d in gedit while editing the default config Jul 19 00:49:29 so the line was removed :P Jul 19 00:49:47 but i found another interesting option Jul 19 00:49:52 modifying rotation Jul 19 00:50:02 i had no time to try it yet Jul 19 00:50:27 speaking of rotation Jul 19 00:50:37 why do some apps handle rotation properly, while others don't Jul 19 00:50:51 some are hardcoded for specific resolution Jul 19 00:50:59 web for example, it doesn't go into landscape when the phone is flipped -90 after going into portrait Jul 19 00:51:10 or violate Xprotocol Jul 19 00:51:13 the CTRL+Shift+R thingy goes into landscape Jul 19 00:51:23 both should use the same flag Jul 19 00:52:10 well, for phone to rotate you need data from accelerometer, xrandr xrandrproto Jul 19 00:52:21 and something that would join it all Jul 19 00:52:31 hildon-desktop and mce Jul 19 00:52:47 then if you take a look Jul 19 00:53:04 just let me find it Jul 19 00:53:37 hmm, i can't now Jul 19 00:54:02 but using one of hildon functions you have to notify it that app support rotation Jul 19 00:55:22 hildon_gtk_window_set_portrait_flags Jul 19 00:55:25 yes I know, but when using that and putting the phone on a flat surface, it goes back into landscape Jul 19 00:55:39 yet with the browser, it doesn't Jul 19 00:55:47 hmmm Jul 19 00:55:54 something if broken then Jul 19 00:56:02 i don't do landscape anyways Jul 19 00:56:18 and hildon-desktop doesn't seem to handle stacked windows properly Jul 19 00:56:20 only app that rotates on my phone is phone app Jul 19 00:56:22 and it's annoying Jul 19 00:56:55 sometimes it flips back into landscape, but HD thinks it's in portrait mode (Status menu inaccessible, X and dashboard buttons thinner) Jul 19 00:57:25 that's because hildon SM is getting fubar Jul 19 00:57:31 SM? Jul 19 00:57:35 state machine Jul 19 00:58:05 you would have to rotate it back manualy using xrandr Jul 19 00:58:20 worse is when you can't reproduce it Jul 19 00:58:25 -> can't file a bug Jul 19 00:58:30 i think i can Jul 19 00:58:51 just rotate and then kill app that rotated it Jul 19 00:58:55 kill -9 Jul 19 00:59:26 meh Jul 19 00:59:29 hd doesn't rotate Jul 19 01:00:28 anyone use maemo mapper with google maps? Jul 19 01:00:43 it's failing to download the maps for me Jul 19 01:01:07 jacekowski: seems they had missed to implement SC in their cellmo firmware. That's why PR1.2 came with new one Jul 19 01:01:31 meh, just tsarted my first tmo thread Jul 19 01:01:46 well, why would they use different firmwares for different phones? Jul 19 01:02:09 ppman: google sometimes puts limitations on rough apps, its all just a hack Jul 19 01:03:31 plus wouldn't maemo mapper violate google maps tos? Jul 19 01:04:17 jacekowski: dunno Jul 19 01:04:32 hmmm, that's strange Jul 19 01:04:51 because i think i saw asic version detection in latest CMT firmware Jul 19 01:05:00 or in something i was reversing recently Jul 19 01:05:18 well, they use even different firmware in same phone :-P Jul 19 01:06:06 as we all know cellmo1.2 doesn't work with fremantle1.1.1 Jul 19 01:06:46 that's the reason why it's been a itsy bitsy nasty to downgrade from leaked 1.2 back to 1.1.1 Jul 19 01:07:13 hmmm Jul 19 01:07:19 where downgrade == flash here Jul 19 01:07:27 can PR1.2 work with an open oFono stack? Jul 19 01:07:47 would be fun to disassemble cellmo firmware Jul 19 01:07:52 can openofono stack work with cellmo1.2? Jul 19 01:07:56 but without full spec it's not going to happen Jul 19 01:08:12 too many gaps to fill Jul 19 01:08:15 DocScrutinizer: last I heard Jul 19 01:08:42 jacekowski: would be interesting to get phone firmware that supports CDMA ;) Jul 19 01:09:01 luke-jr: FEM can't do CDMA Jul 19 01:09:03 fuggetit Jul 19 01:09:11 FEM? Jul 19 01:09:12 is there smoething like for x in y except z do foo bar? Jul 19 01:09:13 different chipset Jul 19 01:09:27 luke-jr: Front End Module Jul 19 01:09:31 why not? Jul 19 01:09:34 same frequencies :P Jul 19 01:09:42 feck it, I'll tar and remove all locales Jul 19 01:09:48 this is no SDR Jul 19 01:09:57 cdma is wideband Jul 19 01:10:02 and cdma is shit Jul 19 01:10:26 * peb__ is gone. Gone since Thu Jul 15 08:27:00 2010 Jul 19 01:10:44 cdma should die Jul 19 01:10:55 alas 3G = wcdma Jul 19 01:10:55 it's bad by design for users Jul 19 01:11:09 jacekowski: CDMA is pretty much all I have here Jul 19 01:11:15 as it allows easy overprovisioning Jul 19 01:11:25 nothing wrong with that Jul 19 01:11:34 well, dropped calls? Jul 19 01:11:35 overselling is necessary these days Jul 19 01:11:43 quality going down the drain? Jul 19 01:11:50 you can't compete without overselling Jul 19 01:12:00 with gsm you have minimum quality level Jul 19 01:12:00 lol Jul 19 01:12:06 luke-jr: you can Jul 19 01:12:33 jacekowski: oh really? Jul 19 01:12:38 yes Jul 19 01:12:47 non-overselling is T1s-- hundreds, if not more, for a few mbit Jul 19 01:12:56 overselling is DSL/Cable -- $40/mo for 12 mbit Jul 19 01:13:19 entirely different markets Jul 19 01:13:25 besides, i'm not talking about that sort of overselling Jul 19 01:13:32 the average person being on oversold service Jul 19 01:13:39 but you know that in area you have 100% utilisation Jul 19 01:13:49 and you sell service to more users Jul 19 01:13:56 hmm Jul 19 01:13:57 by degrading quality for everybody Jul 19 01:14:00 i c Jul 19 01:14:00 is moving /root a bad idea? :P Jul 19 01:14:06 MohammadAG: probably not Jul 19 01:14:07 that's something you can't to with gsm Jul 19 01:14:12 but you can do easily with cdma Jul 19 01:14:31 jacekowski: so GSM doesn't force constant bandwidth per customer, even if unused? ;) Jul 19 01:14:49 k Jul 19 01:14:52 luke-jr: no Jul 19 01:14:53 I think I get it Jul 19 01:14:58 luke-jr: you have timeslots Jul 19 01:15:13 luke-jr: and every call has 1 timeslot Jul 19 01:15:20 in any case, degraded-under-high-use service is better than degraded-constantly service Jul 19 01:15:40 all services are oversold, that's how telcos work... Jul 19 01:16:00 luke-jr: and if transmitter has all frequencies used all the time Jul 19 01:16:07 luke-jr: with all timeslots used all the time Jul 19 01:16:19 luke-jr: then they have hard number that you can't go above Jul 19 01:16:28 luke-jr: with cdma it's all - fuzzy Jul 19 01:18:04 and CDMA is a lot more complicated Jul 19 01:20:37 basicaly, if you need reliable and maybe slow service Jul 19 01:20:42 i would go for gsm Jul 19 01:20:48 cdma is less reliable Jul 19 01:20:51 but it can be faster Jul 19 01:22:13 a friend of mine always used HSCSD instead of GPRS each time he needed to reboot a server in the farm Jul 19 01:22:38 lower latency he claimed, GPRS gave him lags of up to 1s Jul 19 01:22:48 unbearable with ssh Jul 19 01:23:17 it's not technology Jul 19 01:23:22 now I thenk he's on 3G Jul 19 01:23:49 i had RTT of under 0.3s on gprs Jul 19 01:24:04 little bit better with edge Jul 19 01:24:44 how's your jig project going? Jul 19 01:27:31 and btw. i think rs232 port on my n900 is gone Jul 19 01:29:58 i'm just looking at it Jul 19 01:30:04 and N900 FEM can take CDMA Jul 19 01:31:57 just question if RF chip can take it Jul 19 01:32:28 Saying the front-end can take CDMA is pretty much like saying your cars fuel tank can take yak urine. Jul 19 01:32:42 It's technically true - but the rest of the system can't cope. Jul 19 01:32:51 well, Jul 19 01:33:01 RF chip would probably do it as well Jul 19 01:33:19 so it's just a question how programmable rapuyama is Jul 19 01:33:23 At the moment an enormous amount of stuff on RF chips is done by hardcoded modules. Jul 19 01:33:29 This is _NOT_ SDR Jul 19 01:33:38 Ubuntu idiota Jul 19 01:33:58 ? Jul 19 01:34:02 St. Petersburg, FL is not a substation of Tampa, FL. Jul 19 01:34:51 saint petersburg isn't that in russia? Jul 19 01:34:57 lol Jul 19 01:35:02 jacekowski: it's a suburb of tampa ;) Jul 19 01:35:30 i'm pretty much sure that's city in russia Jul 19 01:35:35 it used to be called leningrad Jul 19 01:35:36 jacekowski: Only the very highest levels of modulation are software controllable. The packet forming, and the bit framing, and maybe some ECC. Jul 19 01:35:52 There are about 6 in the US. Jul 19 01:36:07 it used to be capital of russian empire Jul 19 01:36:24 jacekowski: All of the rest is done pretty much in blocks that cannot be reconfigured easily. This is as a less flexible block that just does what it's required to uses maye a percent or less of the power a more general solution might. Jul 19 01:36:40 Toledo, ohio, Toledo, spain Jul 19 01:36:47 (yak urine) ROTFL Jul 19 01:36:59 that just shows how much USA tries to be like europe Jul 19 01:37:05 xD Jul 19 01:37:10 jacekowski: I wouldn't be surprised if a SDR CDMA 3G modem used 500W. Jul 19 01:37:23 [2010-07-19 03:09:48] this is no SDR Jul 19 01:37:48 jacekowski, it mostly shows that a lot of immigrants named places in the US. :) Jul 19 01:38:00 well, york Jul 19 01:38:19 there would be no US if not colonists from EU Jul 19 01:38:27 Well, there would be Jul 19 01:38:34 No, there wouldn't. Jul 19 01:38:36 It just wouldn't be the US. Jul 19 01:38:40 It wouldn't be the US. Jul 19 01:38:41 lol Jul 19 01:38:58 SpeedEvil: there are loads of code that rapuyama runs Jul 19 01:39:01 Also. Jul 19 01:39:07 SpeedEvil: it's 5M binary blob Jul 19 01:39:12 There were no colonists from the EU to US. Jul 19 01:39:17 SpeedEvil: it's doing a lot in software Jul 19 01:39:19 jacekowski: yes - and that's quite irrelevant. Jul 19 01:39:30 jacekowski: This is all the highest protocol levels. Jul 19 01:39:55 there were quite a few cultures in the US when the european white man came here and murdered all of them :) Jul 19 01:40:11 jacekowski: To put it in a media player framework - it's doing the mpeg decoding in software - but all of the low-level reading from the media is in hardware. Jul 19 01:41:12 well, you don't know that Jul 19 01:41:15 neither do it Jul 19 01:41:17 do i* Jul 19 01:41:30 jacekowski: You can implement - typically - radio protocols that have the exact same modulation, are on the same frequency bands (or ones that can be tuned to closeby). Jul 19 01:41:30 well, at least not yet Jul 19 01:41:54 so let's stop all speculcations at least untill we know something Jul 19 01:41:58 but I know, for calypso, and I'm pretty sure it's roundabout identical figure for rapuyama Jul 19 01:42:06 jacekowski: Basically, I do. At the moment - generic SDR uses _way_ more power than doing it the normal way. Jul 19 01:42:26 well, n900 uses a lot power Jul 19 01:42:31 jacekowski: It does not. Jul 19 01:43:06 jacekowski: A FPGA based 3G stack from the lowest levels up would take perhaps 100W or so. Jul 19 01:43:15 maybe nokia found a way around that Jul 19 01:43:28 and that's one of their secrets they don't want to say Jul 19 01:43:30 share* Jul 19 01:43:34 and we're running with some 25mW on standby here Jul 19 01:44:01 hahaha Jul 19 01:44:19 jacekowski: If nokia had found a way round that problem - they would coincidentally have invented a reconfigurable hardware platform that would blow nvidia, intel, AMD out of the water. Jul 19 01:44:29 nokia, the big inventor of braking edge new chip technology Jul 19 01:44:32 jacekowski: As they would have several hundred times the performance natively. Jul 19 01:44:32 i'm just saying that unless we get official response from nokia or i or somebody else will reverse rapuyama firmware Jul 19 01:44:53 SpeedEvil: well, GAL Jul 19 01:44:53 Nokia would shortly basically own computing. Jul 19 01:45:22 GAL/FPGA are many times less efficient than custom chips that perform the same function. Jul 19 01:45:36 thing is that for that sort of processing you could use a lot of specialised blocks Jul 19 01:45:44 reconfigurable specialised blocks Jul 19 01:45:47 with firmware glue Jul 19 01:46:36 jacekowski: you can not reconfigure e.g a highly optimized ring modulator into a correlator Jul 19 01:47:07 jacekowski: you're underestimating the scope of the problem. Or the scope of a solution to it. Jul 19 01:47:45 you're overestimating Jul 19 01:47:58 * DocScrutinizer yawns Jul 19 01:48:31 i will make n900 run on yak urine Jul 19 01:48:35 just for sake of doing that Jul 19 01:48:36 * DocScrutinizer trowns 120Mb of calypso docs at jacekowski Jul 19 01:48:49 DocScrutinizer: you know my mail Jul 19 01:48:52 throws even Jul 19 01:48:57 DocScrutinizer: i'm happy to read them Jul 19 01:49:10 DocScrutinizer: please dont yawn :P Jul 19 01:49:12 no, you are not - believe me Jul 19 01:49:20 let me decide Jul 19 01:49:40 I will pay jacekowski $10 for a working GSM stack based on the calypso docs. Jul 19 01:49:56 :) Jul 19 01:50:02 lol Jul 19 01:50:39 i've built more complicated protocols from nothing Jul 19 01:50:54 ROTFLMAO Jul 19 01:51:16 like what? GPS? Jul 19 01:51:21 well, i had an physical interface Jul 19 01:51:31 Christ filing bugs for Ubuntu couldn't possibly be more difficult. Jul 19 01:51:34 so i could see what's happening on the line Jul 19 01:51:46 anyways Jul 19 01:51:46 GAN900: WONTFIX Jul 19 01:51:48 time to sleep Jul 19 01:51:51 What's further important to note: The protocol stack is very deep. If you look at the GPRS related output on an ip.access nanoBTS while your mobile phone makes a HTTP request, the stack is something like HTTP-TCP-IP-PPP-SNDCP-LLC-BSSGP-NS-UDP-IP-Ethernet, Jul 19 01:51:52 "Yes there's a way to actually use the web interface, no we wont tell you." Jul 19 01:51:52 GAN900: WORKS FOR ME Jul 19 01:52:01 GAN900: what's the bug exactly? Jul 19 01:52:02 http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/10/27/#20091027-implementing_gprs - quoting Jul 19 01:52:07 GAN900: filing bugs for buntkuh is nonsense. Buntkuh *is* the bug Jul 19 01:52:26 GAN900: is this the St Petersburb isn't related to Tampa somehow? Jul 19 01:52:32 asj, it lists St. Petersburg, FL as a weather substation for Tampa, FL. Jul 19 01:52:36 SpeedEvil: you forgot to add vpn over dns tunnel Jul 19 01:52:38 Which is clearly not the case. Jul 19 01:52:54 DocScrutinizer, probably, but at least it wont be my problem anymore. Jul 19 01:52:57 time to sleep Jul 19 01:53:18 GAN900: are you sure it's not? presumably the data come straight from the NWS, which may list it as such Jul 19 01:53:39 asj, I live here. Jul 19 01:53:46 asj, nobody else lists it like that. Jul 19 01:53:48 GAN900: and? :) Jul 19 01:53:54 This is a bug in Ubuntu's data. Jul 19 01:53:58 asj, and don't troll. Jul 19 01:54:23 GAN900: lol, id10t error eh? Jul 19 01:54:25 asj, some how every other weather provider gets it right. Jul 19 01:54:47 asj, first warning. Not in the mood. :) Jul 19 01:55:18 * DocScrutinizer mumbles "doppler in car is an issue for 3G protocol" Jul 19 01:56:14 GAN900: yes master, you know all, how dare I suggest they get the data from someone else in a generic way Jul 19 01:56:44 asj, whether they do or not, Ubuntu's users see it as a bug in their system Jul 19 01:57:16 I imagine most services get the data from the same place, yet Ubuntu is the only one that shows this bug. Jul 19 01:57:19 asj, how dare you even think it. thought police incoming. :P kidding Jul 19 01:59:31 * DocScrutinizer dissolves in a yellow cloud of sulfur *swoooosh* Jul 19 02:02:00 Hello people Jul 19 02:02:13 anyone interessed in MaemoTurbo: Jul 19 02:02:16 ? Jul 19 02:03:04 anyone knows how i can install in other file directory using apt-get or application manager from n810 Jul 19 02:03:26 App Manager > Install from file Jul 19 02:03:33 what is it and how do i track down who made it before trying it? (maemoturbo) Jul 19 02:04:01 Oh, Termana. See some details here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58716 Jul 19 02:04:51 but how i can install it in other folder in mmc an not in the main folder Jul 19 02:06:26 just browse for MMC Jul 19 02:06:46 * DocScrutinizer notices "Diablo" (which makes him more relaxed) and even no word about OC, and moves away with his yellow cloud Jul 19 02:06:48 This is DiabloTurbo: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/diabloturbo/ Jul 19 02:07:10 * tuliobaars Burps! Jul 19 02:07:21 for example when you want to install a file using dpgk -i file.deb --root=/mmc/opt/ Jul 19 02:07:59 just browse in App Manager > Install from file Jul 19 02:08:07 so find your target folder Jul 19 02:08:12 and double-click Jul 19 02:08:18 but how i can install it in other folder Jul 19 02:08:45 ooh, no i got your point Jul 19 02:08:45 for example i saw a game which use 40 MB in main memory but i want to install it in memory card Jul 19 02:08:56 wich? Jul 19 02:09:34 wich one? Jul 19 02:09:42 quake Jul 19 02:09:46 tuliobaars, sounds like a good idea. got a link to the n810 tuning thread? Jul 19 02:10:00 yeah, based in Tuning thread! Jul 19 02:10:06 the DiabloTurbo! Jul 19 02:10:50 rookie2010, try to clone your OS to SD card Jul 19 02:10:59 tuliobaars, yeah but do you have a link to that thread, havent seen it Jul 19 02:11:32 so i have to put a link to this thread in my topic? Jul 19 02:11:54 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=17666 Jul 19 02:12:00 tuliobaars, no. i just wanted you to give me the link here :P Jul 19 02:12:37 but it might be a good idea to put a link in your OP so people can have a look Jul 19 02:12:57 sure Jul 19 02:13:08 ... why does a phone call use 50% CPU? -.- Jul 19 02:13:11 sorry, but what's OP? Jul 19 02:13:56 'cause it is a magical thing...you'll understand some day... Jul 19 02:15:42 tuliobaars, opening post, the first post in your thread Jul 19 02:18:27 luke-jr: because pusaudio has to move all of the audi from one end of the phone to the other in under 5ms Jul 19 02:18:32 audio Jul 19 02:23:34 SpeedEvil: as if CPU time has anything to do with latency Jul 19 02:24:01 It's pulseaudio. Jul 19 02:25:01 = crap -.- Jul 19 02:28:47 Night Jul 19 02:31:52 hmm i didn't think that would work Jul 19 02:32:23 what? Jul 19 02:32:44 switched to 2G using the applet and stayed connected to IRC. I thought it cut off the data connection Jul 19 02:33:42 Depends on your provider Jul 19 02:33:46 sometimes the IP changes Jul 19 02:34:09 Can I try Maemo on VirtualBox? Jul 19 02:35:12 ... Jul 19 02:35:30 No Crash210. Jul 19 02:35:40 Actually Jul 19 02:35:42 I dunno Jul 19 02:35:53 are tehre x86 workalikes? Jul 19 02:35:57 of the nokia bits? Jul 19 02:36:14 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58716 Jul 19 02:36:32 I was split between the n900 and Droid. Ended up getting the Droid. Want to see what I'm missing. Maybe dual-booting on the Droid? Jul 19 02:39:40 Crash210: also impossible. too much of the hardware differs Jul 19 02:40:14 Android seems to have better support overall. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 19 02:59:56 2010