**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 19 02:59:56 2010 Jul 19 03:02:09 Crash210: Android is a phone platform Jul 19 03:02:14 Crash210: Maemo is a tablet platform Jul 19 03:02:19 you're comparing apples and oranges Jul 19 03:02:33 in theory, Maemo doesn't *need* support Jul 19 03:02:40 Maemo can run any random app Jul 19 03:02:41 No, you're comparing advertising buzzwords. Jul 19 03:02:56 Android only runs Android apps; Maemo runs any apps Jul 19 03:03:09 Crash210: there's real meaning behind these "buzzwords" Jul 19 03:03:31 Crash210: 75% of Maemo devices don't even support phone calls Jul 19 03:03:47 How many maemo devices are there? Jul 19 03:03:57 4 Jul 19 03:04:04 :) Jul 19 03:04:21 well, we have like 5 devices here running android, only one of them is a phone ;) Jul 19 03:04:36 pigeon: crazy Jul 19 03:04:46 .. who uses his n900 regulary as phone? Jul 19 03:04:48 but Android was actually designed to be a phone platform Jul 19 03:04:55 phone is just one of the apps really. Jul 19 03:05:11 luke-jr, i think your going to confuse him including past generation devices that dont run maemo 5 Jul 19 03:05:14 :P Jul 19 03:05:33 TermanaN900: good. Jul 19 03:06:17 Also let us not forget the chinese tablets that have their own weird hacked version of maemo 4 Jul 19 03:06:35 TermanaN900: that's like calling Mer "Maemo" Jul 19 03:07:21 luke-jr, maybe, but why not just add to the confusion? :P Jul 19 03:07:56 Both platforms are capable of functioning as whatever they want. Jul 19 03:07:59 omg Jul 19 03:08:11 i just saw a pic of the girl from top gun and made with heaven.. kelly mcgillis Jul 19 03:08:14 EEEEK Jul 19 03:08:22 i used to fantasize about her :) Jul 19 03:08:24 Android can be installed on lots of things, can Meego? Jul 19 03:08:36 Crash210: that's the rumor Jul 19 03:08:47 meego is supposed to be cross platformed Jul 19 03:08:58 but that would all depend on how good the company supports its hardware Jul 19 03:09:07 and how open the hardware is Jul 19 03:09:07 Well, I'd like to run it on Virtualbox, on my netbook and maybe on my phone. Jul 19 03:09:11 Crash210, yes it can. like i said to you in the other channel, if you put some effort ifn you can run it on your droid Jul 19 03:09:12 Like I have Android. Jul 19 03:09:21 Crash210: MeeGo is a better Android Jul 19 03:09:26 s/ifn/in Jul 19 03:09:37 Crash210: Android requires non-Linux kernel features, and can't run normal X11 apps Jul 19 03:09:41 luke-jr: not yet it isn't ;) Jul 19 03:10:01 MeeGo can almost certainly run on VirtualBox Jul 19 03:10:10 but you asked about Maemo ;) Jul 19 03:10:12 I couldn't run it. Jul 19 03:10:50 meego is just a portable linux distro .. well.. not positive about that but if it is as close to maemo as they say it will be then it should be Jul 19 03:10:51 well, qemu at least Jul 19 03:10:54 :) Jul 19 03:10:57 VirtualBox is just a lame qemu repackaging Jul 19 03:11:12 luke-jr: :-P i like virtualbox Jul 19 03:11:24 i use it on my opensolaris box .. works great Jul 19 03:11:32 then again. opensolaris has zfs ftw Jul 19 03:11:37 :) Jul 19 03:12:01 Macer, opensolaris... Jul 19 03:12:11 FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Jul 19 03:12:13 I haven't used vritual machines since I tried running windows on a powerPC imac. It was slow as balls. When I tried virtual box it was amazing. Jul 19 03:12:18 :P Jul 19 03:12:36 Crash210: VirtualBox is a virtual machine Jul 19 03:12:57 That's what I said. Jul 19 03:13:22 didn't sound like it Jul 19 03:13:34 maybe you meant "hadn't" Jul 19 03:14:09 I hadn't used? Jul 19 03:14:17 anyhow, x86 on PPC is complete emulation Jul 19 03:14:24 luke-jr, i think so. hes mixed two tenses Jul 19 03:14:24 of course it's going to be slower than virtualization Jul 19 03:14:55 Crash210: also, don't forget that MeeGo is currently still in development Jul 19 03:15:02 that is, there's no actual working product yet Jul 19 03:16:55 Exactly. Jul 19 03:17:38 I was slow as balls trying to run Windows 98. The contrast now being able to run a whole operating system in a window on your desktop was amazing to me at first. Jul 19 03:18:43 ugh, curse the absence of vblank from the PVR drivers! Jul 19 03:19:49 heh Jul 19 03:20:10 is that meant to be fixed in the "next" version of "something"? Jul 19 03:20:20 TermanaN900: heh Jul 19 03:21:01 TermanaN900: opensolaris is the greatest .. well. for a fileserver at least ;) Jul 19 03:21:12 and a virtualization server too i suppose Jul 19 03:21:21 but just because it makes for an awesome fileserver heh Jul 19 03:23:07 pigeon, I think they mean "next" as in "maemo-harmattan" Jul 19 03:23:45 yeah, that name rings a bell, though i actually don't know what exactly that is... Jul 19 03:24:44 i don't think virtualization is bad at all anymore Jul 19 03:24:55 especially for unix style OSes Jul 19 03:24:58 pigeon, it's meego, but not meego Jul 19 03:25:04 fbsd runs like a champ :) Jul 19 03:27:34 containers > virtualization Jul 19 03:27:49 is there a difference between xterm reboot and physical Off/On? Jul 19 03:29:54 Probably. Jul 19 03:29:55 god damn screen tearing Jul 19 03:30:24 in MY app! Jul 19 03:30:38 * mortini gasps! Jul 19 03:30:43 the horror! Jul 19 03:30:58 :( Jul 19 03:31:37 that's why it's called tearing... when it tears, you get tears... Jul 19 03:31:39 opdf2, shouldn't Jul 19 03:38:45 hello Jul 19 03:39:00 something strange is going on with my n900, it gets hot all the time now, and uses battery in about 6 hours Jul 19 03:39:22 i've tried disabling wifi and stuff Jul 19 03:39:31 but it makes no sense given its the same AP as has been for ages Jul 19 03:39:42 "there's something strange... with the n900... we will call..." Jul 19 03:40:38 loadavg high all the time redeeman, checked out what processes are taking up the most time? Jul 19 03:40:44 have you tried top/htop or powertop? Jul 19 03:41:14 not powertop, but top shows nothing consuming cpu Jul 19 03:48:18 redeeman: have you got anything that polls - 3g or whatever? Jul 19 03:48:30 well i am not on any connection Jul 19 03:48:36 and well.. configuration has not changed in more than a month Jul 19 03:48:37 git hangs at "Initialized empty Git repository in ..." when i try to check out https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=877 via anonymous access. any ideas? Jul 19 03:49:07 when i run 'git clone https://vcs.maemo.org/git/qemu' that is Jul 19 03:49:07 what i do however realize has happened is that i lost connection to the AP while i was on SIP Jul 19 03:49:11 but i turned off sip again now Jul 19 03:49:13 well yesterday Jul 19 03:49:22 redeeman: I would try putting it in offline mode, and seeing if it happens Jul 19 03:49:32 also Jul 19 03:49:52 i also tried turning on/off multiple times, i just now tried pulling battery Jul 19 03:49:55 we will see then Jul 19 03:49:56 i've tried setting GIT_SSL_NO_VERIFY and filling out .netrc as suggested Jul 19 03:49:57 might your wifi environment changed? Jul 19 03:50:10 SpeedEvil, nope, im 100% certain nothing of that changed Jul 19 03:50:15 but it is a really shitty AP with bad connection Jul 19 03:50:33 but its been like that for nearly 2 months Jul 19 03:51:20 redeeman: O mean - for example - if your neigbour gpt wiwifi, and is just now interfering with you Jul 19 03:51:29 hmm Jul 19 03:51:39 does it do it when it's in offline mode? Jul 19 03:51:40 my neighbor does not Jul 19 03:51:43 im in the phillipines Jul 19 03:51:44 powertop is a good idea Jul 19 03:51:45 ah Jul 19 03:51:51 yeah will check offline mode next Jul 19 03:51:56 I thin powertop is now in repo Jul 19 03:53:42 powertop on N900? SWEET Jul 19 03:55:20 mhm there is cups for the n900 .. but i wonder how much sense that makes since most apps are not printing aware Jul 19 03:55:56 possibly just eats ram .. better ssh to some other machine for printing.. Jul 19 03:56:13 (loud thinking) Jul 19 04:07:58 Is there anyway to remove Phone from top button menu? I don't see it in systemui.xml Jul 19 04:19:26 Powertop is not the intel one - it's for n900 Jul 19 04:27:17 I was adding a reboot button to power menu and I read a warning about >50 boot counts Jul 19 04:29:29 SpeedEvil: N900 one isn't derived? Jul 19 04:30:13 hmm maybe that was fixed in 1.1 Jul 19 04:31:13 powertop is for everyone Jul 19 04:31:50 and my Ubuntu/Archlinux/Windows 7 laptop Jul 19 04:37:23 man I love my n900, using as bt dun using it to listen to pyradio client Pithos on my laptop, such an awesome creation pianobar, just perfect Jul 19 04:44:51 luke-jr: It looks like a cleansheet to me Jul 19 04:45:08 luke-jr: It shares pretty much nothing in principle. Jul 19 06:33:56 irssi for the n900 does not have perl Jul 19 06:33:57 D: Jul 19 06:40:12 really? Jul 19 06:40:36 weird that the package has all the perl scripts with it then... Jul 19 06:44:37 O_o Jul 19 06:44:39 really? Jul 19 06:44:49 pigeon: it looks like i didn thave perl installed Jul 19 06:53:18 hmm, well, i have perl installed, but no /script in irssi Jul 19 06:53:44 feels like it hasn't got perl support built Jul 19 06:54:13 it doesn't depend on perl/libperl, so yeah. Jul 19 06:56:00 probably intentional Jul 19 06:58:58 x.x that's annoying Jul 19 07:01:45 can you say BLOAT? Jul 19 07:01:51 IRC clients have no business with Perl scripting Jul 19 07:02:48 umm? Jul 19 07:02:58 irssi uses perl Jul 19 07:03:29 yes, but doesn't have to. Jul 19 07:04:10 _all_ the decent scripts for irssi are in perl, and the python docs for irssi scripting are horrible Jul 19 07:07:52 nokia N 800 OS 2008 - 5.2008.43-7 Power OFF button previously had lost one item in device mode menu. Now It hasn't got line with "offline mode". Is it a bug or a new feature? Jul 19 07:08:24 I'm not able to go into OFFLINE mode Jul 19 07:12:23 K0JIbKA: you may have installed something that messes it up. Jul 19 07:13:48 Venemo: Do you mean that any application can change the system view? Jul 19 07:17:01 pronto: my point is that IRC clients should NOT have ANY scripting at all Jul 19 07:17:06 pronto: it is bloat Jul 19 07:17:09 K0JIbKA: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4018 Jul 19 07:17:35 luke-jr: well i disagree with you there Jul 19 07:17:55 IRC clients are for chatting Jul 19 07:18:04 if you want a program interacting, get a bot Jul 19 07:18:12 my main irssi client i run on my server has many scripts :\ Jul 19 07:18:26 around 15 or so Jul 19 07:18:36 andre__:Thanks - that is exactly my case Jul 19 07:18:53 K0JIbKA, but no clear solution / workaround :-/ Jul 19 07:19:16 non of which are bot like Jul 19 07:19:41 andre__:reflashing the whole device? Jul 19 07:19:46 i think the reason for irssi n900 not to be built with perl is... perl is like 20+mb Jul 19 07:20:23 K0JIbKA, see the bug report. Jul 19 07:20:30 is there a way i can build it myself Jul 19 07:54:48 hi folks, anyone aware of a widget that displays the missed calls better/more prominently than the default "Gespräche"-Widget ("Talks"-Widget (?)). Jul 19 07:55:11 I forgot .. on the N900 Jul 19 08:07:23 peb: the n900 shows missed calls in the task switcher Jul 19 08:07:29 which i consider to be fairly good Jul 19 08:07:36 in contrast to the way most things work Jul 19 08:31:25 damn, this n900 saves my bacon all the time.. Jul 19 08:31:34 mmmm bacon Jul 19 08:37:44 hey lcuk: did you get the apple wireless keyboard to work? Jul 19 08:38:20 no parim :( i couldnt get in the battery comparment Jul 19 09:42:20 lcuk: wd40 + drill? Jul 19 09:42:36 no Jul 19 09:42:43 im not drilling anything Jul 19 09:43:01 boring Jul 19 09:44:03 X-Fade, ping Jul 19 09:44:15 lcuk: pong Jul 19 09:44:40 lcuk: what's your problem with that keyboard? Jul 19 09:44:43 hiya, i guess you already know about the cert on bmo Jul 19 09:45:18 jacekowski, battery compartment stuck Jul 19 09:45:25 get a screwdriver Jul 19 09:46:02 jacekowski: he bent a coin Jul 19 09:46:09 trying to open it Jul 19 09:46:22 coint != screwdriver Jul 19 09:46:36 s/coint/coin/ Jul 19 09:46:36 jacekowski meant: coin != screwdriver Jul 19 09:46:41 coin + pliars Jul 19 09:46:44 coin is made from soft metal Jul 19 09:47:03 jacekowski: yeah but you need a coin-shaped screwdriver Jul 19 09:47:05 lcuk: pliers* Jul 19 09:47:10 nah Jul 19 09:47:14 just big flathead Jul 19 09:47:38 and you open it counterclockwise Jul 19 09:48:27 ok hivemind time Jul 19 09:48:35 someone was in channel recently Jul 19 09:48:40 talking about a theming problem Jul 19 09:48:44 with buttons not looking right Jul 19 09:48:49 when? Jul 19 09:48:50 roughly Jul 19 09:48:50 and im trying to think who/what Jul 19 09:48:55 last week or so Jul 19 09:48:57 and i'll grep my logs Jul 19 09:49:03 any keywords? Jul 19 09:49:20 no just saw picture after clicking - i was oing other stuff at the time Jul 19 09:50:25 so he pasted a link ? Jul 19 09:50:32 yes and was discussing it Jul 19 09:51:57 grep the logs Jul 19 09:54:42 jacekowski.org/log.txt Jul 19 09:56:47 found it :) Jul 19 09:57:06 thanks i got from marius' logs http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-07-15.log.html#t2010-07-15T16:57:52 Jul 19 09:58:05 Morning, all Jul 19 09:58:55 \o jaffa Jul 19 10:05:08 jaffa krik Jul 19 10:15:41 * SpeedEvil stabs n900power in the genitals. 04:48 Jul 19 10:15:43 * SpeedEvil has difficulties, and gets out an electron microscope. 04:49 Jul 19 10:15:56 lol, that's what you get for trolling I guess ;-) Jul 19 10:16:34 i should remap more keys to have all the parentheses Jul 19 10:20:32 do you guys remap your keys? Jul 19 10:20:54 lol Jaffa you say also it uses the paper to do its detection! :p misconceptions rule Jul 19 10:21:01 its not using the paper at all :D Jul 19 10:21:26 kerio: nope Jul 19 10:22:12 kerio: yes, that's how I can type all of the characters in my native language Jul 19 10:27:02 * noobmonk3y prods MohammadAG51 then goes back to work Jul 19 10:27:21 * noobmonk3y slaps frals around a bit with a slimey trout Jul 19 10:27:26 oi Jul 19 10:27:33 lol :P Jul 19 10:27:45 Morrrrrnin (or probably afternoon over there) Jul 19 10:27:46 * lcuk throws frals onto MohammadAG51 who bounces off and bodyslams noobmonk3y Jul 19 10:27:52 * noobmonk3y giggles Jul 19 10:27:57 mornin lcuk Jul 19 10:28:12 heya noobster Jul 19 10:28:29 afternoon here aye Jul 19 10:28:39 been up since 0400 swedish time today Jul 19 10:28:42 frals: you only work mornings now? ;) Jul 19 10:28:50 this passing time zones is very confusing Jul 19 10:28:51 frals: why, why on earth would you do that! Jul 19 10:29:02 took the morning flight back to helsinki Jul 19 10:29:05 ahhhhhhhh Jul 19 10:29:37 frals: "0400 swedish time" isn't conform to the ISO Jul 19 10:29:41 i need to get a job like lcuk, working from home sounds a lot better Jul 19 10:29:53 hehe Jul 19 10:30:04 (ie i have no kids - so less distractions, and work feels like a school playground at times) Jul 19 10:30:04 i need to get a job like noobmonk3y, working from hospital sounds a lot better Jul 19 10:30:33 lcuk: lol!!! - off to the secure unit this afternoon - some genius workman decided to leave a chainsaw loose on the grounds!! Jul 19 10:30:39 i have jake and luke (less so), and for the next 7 weeks its tough Jul 19 10:31:12 * lcuk is reading about overlay filesystems Jul 19 10:31:26 Not so much a problwem for the secure unit - ie, it is seure... but for the low building next door that allows patients to walk round the grouns, chainsaws is not a great idea! Jul 19 10:31:49 at least the doctors will be kept busy Jul 19 10:32:01 imagine all the practice! Jul 19 10:32:06 haha - wrong type of doctors, they play with your mind here, not your limbs ;) Jul 19 10:32:13 or lack off as it may be Jul 19 10:35:47 In thinking about Apple's really cool engineering advanced antenna design .. Do you think they'll continue using it in their next device? ::)) Jul 19 10:36:24 it's a software bug Jul 19 10:36:54 they just invested some huge amount of money on antenna engineers and stuff :P you think its going to remain the same Jul 19 10:37:04 hail jobs! :P Jul 19 10:37:47 Yes, Jul 19 10:38:10 noobmonk3y, incase you missed twitter, i broke laws of physics again :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM Jul 19 10:38:13 "State of the art test facility", "17 anechoic chambers", "$100 million investment", "18 PhD scientists & engineers" "Advanced antenna design" -- And they still fucked up Jul 19 10:38:43 Though, I think it was lcuk that said, they probably spent all that money and did the research post iPhone 4 development :) Jul 19 10:39:17 no, i said very recently they were advertising for antenna engineers (after this started to surface) Jul 19 10:40:01 Oh yeah, that was it :) Jul 19 10:40:08 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/30/apple_hiring_engineers/ Jul 19 10:40:33 I suppose coating the antenna with anything non-conductive would have solved the issue Jul 19 10:40:58 And I find it extremely strange that the problem got into production in the first place. Jul 19 10:41:06 MiXu-: actually not entirely, it'd have to be quite a thick amount of non-conductive coating to completely solve the issue Jul 19 10:41:20 Do the engineers not use the phones during R&D :P Jul 19 10:41:34 MiXu-: they have to be in a case so they don't get seen with them :) Jul 19 10:41:37 MiXu-: i don't... i would be surprised if any of the real-world beta testers would've used the phone without a disguising case Jul 19 10:41:51 the problem with engineers suing phones is that they subconsciously avoid such issues :) Jul 19 10:41:55 thus, the beta testers never actually used the phone as it would be used Jul 19 10:42:02 using, even :-) Jul 19 10:42:02 (darn lag) Jul 19 10:42:13 Wolfie: But even at the office? :) Jul 19 10:42:36 MiXu-: why remove the phone from the case, just because you're at some arbitrary location? Jul 19 10:43:34 besides, testing the iphone is most probably under NDA also inside the company itself Jul 19 10:43:38 True. I do see the point. Jul 19 10:44:01 so that the cleaning lady, or something, doesn't spill the beans Jul 19 10:44:25 That just means that the cleaning lady has to sign an NDA as well. Jul 19 10:46:34 Anyone know how I can watch one of these on ubuntu? http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/100716iab73asc/event/index.html Jul 19 10:46:44 I tried doing it with VLC but didn't seem to want to. Jul 19 10:46:48 Oh well. I bet from now on the iPhones will be tested without the fake covers as well ;) Jul 19 10:51:53 lo0l lcuk cant seeit at the mo - work and youtube dont get on too well! Jul 19 10:58:33 lcuk, looks like you have a guessing game in the comments. anyone guessed it? Jul 19 10:58:47 MiXu-: (coating antenna) BS that's RF Jul 19 10:59:24 MiXu-: the coating has to be a few mm thick to have any effect Jul 19 10:59:40 Like the rubber band =) Jul 19 10:59:46 i can telll you what would help the iphone 4 antenna. Leaving it inside the phone Jul 19 10:59:54 tell* Jul 19 11:00:03 Yup Jul 19 11:00:03 TermanaN900, almost but everyone still thinks its related to the paper underneath ;) Jul 19 11:00:20 lcuk, gps? Jul 19 11:00:29 maybe they just didn't make the bars tall enough ;) Jul 19 11:01:21 I couldn't reproduce the signal loss issue with N900 unless I hold it very close to my body or with two hands. Jul 19 11:01:22 TermanaN900: hehe, I was god at guessing Jul 19 11:01:26 god Jul 19 11:01:30 goooooood Jul 19 11:01:47 TermanaN900, indoors, read the thread its easier, i actually explain it fully there http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58589 Jul 19 11:01:51 * DocScrutinizer curses the 'o' key Jul 19 11:02:05 * lcuk bangs head on filesystems Jul 19 11:02:13 im closing irc for a bit, bbl Jul 19 11:02:24 o.O Jul 19 11:03:02 ooooohnoooooes dooooont goooooo Jul 19 11:05:03 I also like how Apple use youtube for their research. Jul 19 11:05:21 eh? Jul 19 11:05:42 Several times steve says: "We found on youtube" .. "blah blah blah" Jul 19 11:05:52 Every smart phone has antennagate issue Jul 19 11:05:56 hehehehe Jul 19 11:07:30 blah, idiots. I fsteveboy and his team were that smart they'd have built a gsm-mimo to iPhone Jul 19 11:08:02 It's just every point of his press release is so well engineered for talking to the "dumb" public. Jul 19 11:08:33 He's inviting people to search youtube to see people with handsets that seemingly have signal issues. Jul 19 11:08:44 ghostwriters are cheap Jul 19 11:08:56 Also, where does he get this fact that people are testing the iPhone's antenna issue in "low signal areas" that's suck bullshit Jul 19 11:09:20 Consumer Reports did a throrough RF test, and they don't have a clue where there users are ffs. Jul 19 11:10:09 ~wtf ffs Jul 19 11:10:11 Gee... I don't know what ffs means... Jul 19 11:10:20 :) Jul 19 11:11:13 blaerrrgh, coffee or die Jul 19 11:15:37 DocScrutinizer, ffs = for fsck's sake Jul 19 11:16:15 hey the n900 has no external antenna jack .. nokia forgot some geek plaything Jul 19 11:16:24 ~ffs is for fuck sake Jul 19 11:16:25 jacekowski: please, watch your language. Jul 19 11:16:53 LOL Jul 19 11:17:25 muhahaha Jul 19 11:17:30 ~botsnack Jul 19 11:17:31 :), DocScrutinizer Jul 19 11:17:34 wtf? Jul 19 11:18:22 freaky fsckng shit Jul 19 11:18:38 how cow bell Jul 19 11:18:39 ffs Jul 19 11:20:44 /nick fuck Jul 19 11:21:31 DocScrutinizer, I have a feeling it's taken Jul 19 11:21:40 i second the need for an external antenna Jul 19 11:22:07 mimo mimo mimo mimo Jul 19 11:22:18 obviously a 4chan mimo Jul 19 11:22:57 incl auto tuning of antenna pi-balun Jul 19 11:22:58 http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/30/apple-genius-says-30-iphone-call-drop-rate-is-average-in-new-yo/ Jul 19 11:23:14 * peb is gone. Gone since Thu Jul 15 08:27:00 2010 Jul 19 11:23:27 That's funny, so that must mean that out of 100 calls, the iPhone 3g drops 30 calls (on avg) and the iPhone 4 drops 31 calls per 100 Jul 19 11:23:36 That's quite a large drop rate. Jul 19 11:23:42 we need a fm antenna, a cellmo antenna and a wifi antenna Jul 19 11:23:48 and a bluetooth antenna Jul 19 11:24:12 are bad sectors... bad? Jul 19 11:24:23 bad sectors are awesome ^_^ Jul 19 11:24:29 sometimes my image viewer fail to detect image list and swiching next/prev image does not work with touch Jul 19 11:25:27 two times until now, and i remove my configuration files (in home) every time Jul 19 11:25:44 Filesystem check failed! Totally 1090 cluster accounting mismatches. Jul 19 11:25:49 crap? Jul 19 11:25:54 and then the problem soved Jul 19 11:25:58 hmm Jul 19 11:25:58 MohammadAG: bad sectors are like the seeds in grapes Jul 19 11:26:02 swap HDD or laptop Jul 19 11:26:25 * ilius N900 Jul 19 11:26:28 DocScrutinizer, the way you put it doesn't sound too bad Jul 19 11:26:51 WARNING: Bad sectors can cause reliability problems and massive data loss!!! <-- meh Jul 19 11:27:32 WARNING: bad sectors can be dangerous to your health! Jul 19 11:27:39 nah that was smoking Jul 19 11:27:47 lol Jul 19 11:27:52 MohammadAG: run a fsck Jul 19 11:28:06 I've ran a fsck a lot of times on that thing Jul 19 11:28:09 a month or two ago Jul 19 11:28:17 hmm... Jul 19 11:28:17 * MohammadAG laughs diabolically Jul 19 11:28:20 do I need windows? Jul 19 11:28:30 what's the media?? Jul 19 11:28:33 flash? Jul 19 11:28:36 HDD Jul 19 11:28:37 HDD? Jul 19 11:28:39 IDE Jul 19 11:28:40 MohammadAG: i think fsck on unix can run a surface scan Jul 19 11:28:42 bah Jul 19 11:28:44 marking the bad sectors Jul 19 11:28:49 it's ntfs Jul 19 11:28:53 check man fsck Jul 19 11:29:12 ntfs???? what's THAT ffs Jul 19 11:29:15 * MohammadAG ponders dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 Jul 19 11:29:32 NTFS (New Technology File System) is the standard file system of Windows NT Jul 19 11:29:32 MohammadAG: meh Jul 19 11:29:55 MohammadAG: you made up that this very moment, no? Jul 19 11:29:57 if you're getting bad sectors, you're past the point where the drive has used his own spare sectors Jul 19 11:30:07 DocScrutinizer, yeah Jul 19 11:30:17 seriously though, http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FNTFS&ei=EzdETJ2CDsSL4Qakqo3KDg&usg=AFQjCNGdHXTuYSg4LdioOONrjkEa_KYfwQ&sig2=KZuXeybe9I5hj3xFT-LMNw Jul 19 11:30:18 oops Jul 19 11:30:42 keep it Jul 19 11:30:46 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS Jul 19 11:30:47 j/k Jul 19 11:31:26 modern HDD never should expose bad sectors to user, see what kerio said Jul 19 11:31:47 well I was going to resize Jul 19 11:32:17 MohammadAG: make filesystem, run surface scan Jul 19 11:32:50 run smart diagnostics on the drive Jul 19 11:33:05 backing up and getting rid of windows Jul 19 11:33:18 _o/ Jul 19 11:33:40 man smartctl Jul 19 11:37:51 Hitachi tauft sein Tool Drive Fitness Test, Seagate nennt es Seatools Desktop, Maxtor Powermax, Western Digital Data Lifeguard Diagnostic, Samsung Hutil, Fujitsu schlicht Drive Test und Excelstor ESTest. Jul 19 11:38:39 Jul 19 11:38:46 > Jul 19 11:40:44 Stskeeps, are kernel modules redistributable? Jul 19 11:40:49 yes Jul 19 11:40:51 all gpl Jul 19 11:40:56 that was fast, ty Jul 19 11:42:08 any idea if you can configure the n900 to always use mass storage mode? my car radio doesn't like when it has to wait for the device to appear Jul 19 11:42:32 cipes Jul 19 11:42:36 ~cripes .. Jul 19 11:42:41 could be doable Jul 19 11:42:43 MohammadAG: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/Soft-Werkzeuge-289924.html&sl=de&tl=en Jul 19 11:42:48 replace hildon-usb-status-menu Jul 19 11:42:55 might produce ugly results Jul 19 11:43:05 Heh Jul 19 11:43:26 MohammadAG: that's been slow for an autoresponder :-P Jul 19 11:44:14 lol Jul 19 11:51:22 MohammadAG: which manuf? which model? Jul 19 11:51:58 DocScrutinizer, manuf? Jul 19 11:52:07 brand Jul 19 11:52:20 Western Digital IIRC Jul 19 11:52:21 sec Jul 19 11:52:37 SATA? Jul 19 11:52:56 no, laptop doesn't have SATA, it's more than 5 years old Jul 19 11:53:08 so PATA Jul 19 11:53:26 WDC WD1200VE Jul 19 11:55:14 http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=701&lang=en Jul 19 11:56:39 HTH Jul 19 11:57:12 bah Jul 19 11:57:15 X crashed Jul 19 11:57:19 hey guys Jul 19 11:57:39 could you please tell me where can I find some documentation on the theme API of the N900? Jul 19 11:57:54 MohammadAG: ntfs on linux?? why really? Jul 19 11:58:04 What do you mean by "Theme API"? Jul 19 11:58:11 ilius, windows Jul 19 11:58:19 linux is on a 20GB partition Jul 19 11:58:28 I would like to get the path to the current theme's folder Jul 19 11:58:29 * DocScrutinizer burns MohammadAG on the stake Jul 19 11:58:32 that usually is enough, till you get scratchbox Jul 19 11:59:12 MohammadAG: writing on ntfs in linux may cause problems in long-term Jul 19 11:59:34 ilius, I use ext4 for linux... Jul 19 11:59:41 MohammadAG: if you want to share data from linux to windows, vfat is better Jul 19 12:00:02 bah, I don't care tbh, I'm getting rid of the whole partition Jul 19 12:00:07 I don't need windows, at all Jul 19 12:00:27 what is the default password for root in N900? Jul 19 12:00:37 MohammadAG: CHECK YOUR DRIVE!!! Jul 19 12:00:40 there isn't one Jul 19 12:00:46 you've seen the link above? Jul 19 12:00:53 DocScrutinizer, shouldn't a format clean all errors? Jul 19 12:00:57 no Jul 19 12:00:58 how to ssh to it then? Jul 19 12:00:59 no Jul 19 12:00:59 NOPE Jul 19 12:01:01 smhar_: there is no! install rootsh to became root without password Jul 19 12:01:03 bad blocks are bad blocks Jul 19 12:01:16 smhar_, install openssh-server Jul 19 12:01:26 ilius, both are installed Jul 19 12:01:27 ilius, there is nothing like no password Jul 19 12:01:38 smhar_: the type: rootsh sh Jul 19 12:01:41 *then Jul 19 12:01:42 MohammadAG: http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=701&lang=en Jul 19 12:01:44 all users have a pass, no one knows the default one Jul 19 12:01:51 ilius, rootsh is now deprecated Jul 19 12:02:03 rootsh is deprecated? how so? Jul 19 12:02:15 sec Jul 19 12:02:17 MohammadAG: hmm, thanks Jul 19 12:02:35 okia-N900:~# rootsh Jul 19 12:02:36 rootsh is now deprecated for it poses too much of a security risk. However, you can still obtain a root shell by running the commands 'root' or 'sudo gainroot'. Jul 19 12:02:36 Nokia-N900:~# Jul 19 12:02:46 MohammadAG: huh Jul 19 12:02:47 they have no password Jul 19 12:02:47 really Jul 19 12:02:50 I normally su to root, but it is not available in N900 Jul 19 12:03:13 MohammadAG: so "sudo gainroot" now works without rootsh? Jul 19 12:03:29 err, you misunderstood Jul 19 12:03:35 rootsh had a command "rootsh" Jul 19 12:03:45 on diablo or chinook, idk, but it had one apparently Jul 19 12:03:49 you need pkg rootsh, the cmd is "root" Jul 19 12:03:57 it was rootsh apparently Jul 19 12:04:11 MohammadAG: ah, I didn't know about it. I have the package "rootsh", but I use the command "sudo gainroot" -> is that okay? Jul 19 12:04:19 yeah Jul 19 12:04:20 sudo gainroot is obsolete and lame Jul 19 12:04:24 indeed Jul 19 12:04:29 sudo su ftw Jul 19 12:04:29 obsolete? Jul 19 12:04:37 ~ $ sudo su Jul 19 12:04:37 BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso30+0m5) built-in shell (ash) Jul 19 12:04:37 Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. Jul 19 12:04:37 /home/user # Jul 19 12:04:39 root Jul 19 12:04:57 DocScrutinizer: I thought "sudo gainroot" is equal to "root" Jul 19 12:05:09 MohammadAG: then the package rootsh is not deprecated. the command does. yes? Jul 19 12:05:09 mohammadAG, sudo su = root (command) ? Jul 19 12:05:19 err Jul 19 12:05:24 strange I always read that as ""1osso30+0m5) bullshit shell (ash)"" Jul 19 12:05:25 sudo su doesn't need rootsh Jul 19 12:05:45 DocScrutinizer, hmm, might edit the source for busybox, that sounds better Jul 19 12:05:57 su = switch user Jul 19 12:06:07 doesn't work on all N900s, except mine for some reason :P Jul 19 12:06:08 superuser Jul 19 12:06:12 no Jul 19 12:06:25 USE `root` NOOBS! Jul 19 12:06:26 su = switch user, not superuser Jul 19 12:06:40 DocScrutinizer, I have an alias for it, R Jul 19 12:06:53 less letters to type Jul 19 12:06:54 whats wrong with the four letters r o o t Jul 19 12:06:55 ? Jul 19 12:07:05 R is shorter Jul 19 12:07:12 bah Jul 19 12:07:24 ~mohammadag Jul 19 12:07:25 i guess mohammadag is special Jul 19 12:07:46 is there a 'less' command? Jul 19 12:07:50 * DocScrutinizer redefines MohammadAG' Jul 19 12:07:52 apt-get install less Jul 19 12:07:56 s R to rm -rf Jul 19 12:08:23 alias rm -rf = echo "haha, deprecated" Jul 19 12:08:46 mohammadAG, is it in extras? Jul 19 12:08:51 not sure Jul 19 12:09:07 I'm sure there's a pager in the default install. Jul 19 12:09:11 smhar_: prolly -devel or even tools Jul 19 12:09:28 FauxFaux: yeah, messybox more :-(( Jul 19 12:09:31 nah, not tools Jul 19 12:09:37 docscrutinizer, what is tools? Jul 19 12:09:42 http://maemo.org/packages/view/less/ Jul 19 12:09:43 devel Jul 19 12:09:47 smhar_, SDK repos Jul 19 12:11:50 smhar_: that's not tools (though the URL looks alike) - but maybe you like it nevertheless: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jul 19 12:12:08 I want to ssh to my N900, do I need to first establish a usb network? Jul 19 12:12:23 smhar_: I always use WLAN Jul 19 12:12:51 smhar_: it works on any network Jul 19 12:12:59 10^4 time more convenient Jul 19 12:13:15 usb networking isn't worth it imo Jul 19 12:13:34 DocScrutinizer: what Jul 19 12:14:01 kerio: tahw¿ Jul 19 12:14:29 I want to establish 'connection' between my notebook and N900, I do not have a wifi router here. Jul 19 12:14:32 how can it be 10000 times more convenient? Jul 19 12:14:35 smhar_: hmm Jul 19 12:14:54 usb networking is probably the best idea, yes Jul 19 12:15:13 mass storage is ok for copying files but not issuing commands Jul 19 12:15:26 kerio: that's the magic of WLAN that makes it more convenient .- compared to USB networking Jul 19 12:15:34 oh, i see Jul 19 12:15:35 smhar_: you can also use PuTTY Jul 19 12:16:11 Venemo, I run linux, and I need to give N900 an IP somehow first Jul 19 12:16:32 smhar_: you can also use WLAN to establish a connection Jul 19 12:16:39 smhar_: or USB networking of course Jul 19 12:16:53 smhar_: the "Mad Developer" app can help you with USB networking Jul 19 12:16:59 * DocScrutinizer mumbles ad-hoc Jul 19 12:17:20 ad-hoc networks suck Jul 19 12:17:24 hostap ftw Jul 19 12:17:41 fsck!! buy a cheap accespoint Jul 19 12:17:41 wait Jul 19 12:17:57 adhoc is the one without an AP, right? Jul 19 12:18:19 kerio: right, dude Jul 19 12:19:04 usb networking could be better Jul 19 12:19:05 kerio, have you managed to turn the n900 into an AP? Jul 19 12:19:20 hasn't everyone? Jul 19 12:19:35 just create a new access point in Settings and set it to ad-hoc, then connect to it Jul 19 12:19:41 to start broadcasting Jul 19 12:19:42 oh, right, the joikuspot app Jul 19 12:19:43 mgedmin: hmm Jul 19 12:19:47 mirf: atually it *could* be much better, if only they'd specified a decent protocol to set it up Jul 19 12:19:48 you don't joikuspot Jul 19 12:19:49 mobilehotspot! Jul 19 12:19:50 MohammadAG: ad-hoc kinda sucks... Jul 19 12:19:57 kerio, or mobilehotspot Jul 19 12:20:01 you don't need either Jul 19 12:20:11 joghurt sport??? ;-P Jul 19 12:20:29 MohammadAG: setting up routing and forwarding is a pita Jul 19 12:20:41 * mgedmin hadn't known about mobilehotspot Jul 19 12:20:53 ad-hoc doesn't necessarily mean sharing a connection Jul 19 12:21:04 I use it to ssh when I'm away from an AP Jul 19 12:21:32 custom kernel? kinda sucks ... Jul 19 12:21:33 * DocScrutinizer mumbles "nobody listens to my mumbling" Jul 19 12:21:46 someone say somethin? Jul 19 12:21:48 does joikuspot also require a custom kernel? Jul 19 12:22:11 no, but liquid nitrogen cooling Jul 19 12:22:15 yes Jul 19 12:22:21 the kernel-power Jul 19 12:22:29 err Jul 19 12:22:29 no Jul 19 12:22:38 joikuspot loads a module Jul 19 12:22:43 oh Jul 19 12:22:48 mohammadAG, if not joikuspot and not mobilehotspot then how? Jul 19 12:22:51 lame Jul 19 12:22:52 custom module? Jul 19 12:22:52 e/w 32 Jul 19 12:22:58 or bog standard iptables? Jul 19 12:24:01 not sure, but it's open source Jul 19 12:24:02 sec Jul 19 12:24:06 see, joghurt needs slightly higher temperature to ripe Jul 19 12:24:15 http://www.joikusoft.com/GPL/ Jul 19 12:24:39 that's why joghurt sport has special temperature control to ensure it's riping on N900 Jul 19 12:25:25 joikuspot sucks Jul 19 12:25:33 mobilehotspot ftw Jul 19 12:25:39 hmm is the limitation of only having a single instance of the cli sharing plugin a feature of the sharing api or the plugin? Also naming different instances would certainly help Jul 19 12:28:25 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33568 Jul 19 12:28:35 ftw Jul 19 12:28:45 joghurt sport for the losers Jul 19 12:32:10 hm, that thing would be cheaper without the adsl Jul 19 12:32:42 sure, didn't find any (figure!) in the time given Jul 19 12:34:32 ruskie: talking gibberish Jul 19 12:34:56 ruskie: cli sharing plugin??? Jul 19 12:40:39 damn, looks like joghurt sport is meant to run on laptops tethered to a 3G mobile. Not exactly what we got on N900 Jul 19 12:41:34 has anyone got outlook notes to sync with n900? Jul 19 12:41:46 blargh Jul 19 12:43:36 http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync Jul 19 12:43:36 wow Jul 19 12:43:41 vfat doesn't support symlinks Jul 19 12:43:41 grr Jul 19 12:43:51 hehehe Jul 19 12:44:13 virtually some words I uttered some days ago Jul 19 12:44:30 same Jul 19 12:44:40 hmm Jul 19 12:44:46 though some fits nicely here as well Jul 19 12:44:47 since when does windows use symlinks Jul 19 12:45:21 ntfs does Jul 19 12:45:27 vfat doesn't Jul 19 12:45:50 wnt=vms++ Jul 19 12:46:04 but I thought windows used .lnk files Jul 19 12:46:06 not symlinks Jul 19 12:46:42 ntfs can have symlinks Jul 19 12:46:44 nice link DocScrutinizer Jul 19 12:46:48 hmm, not sure about symlinks linux flavour, maybe they get translated by the ntfs driver Jul 19 12:47:16 funambol seems to be the answer Jul 19 12:47:24 mirf: don't expect more, still puking from that o* word Jul 19 12:48:04 DocScrutinizer: http://ipggi.wordpress.com/2009/09/07/windows-file-junctions-symbolic-links-and-hard-links/ Jul 19 12:50:07 Venemo: thanks, but thanks no. Though I still have some ntfs patitions on my laptop, for historical reasons, I nevertheless couln'd care less I guess and have to confess Jul 19 12:50:47 couldn't* Jul 19 12:52:57 I basically know (V)FAT structure by heart, at least I know enough to hate it. And NTFS isn't my cup of tea Jul 19 12:53:57 even though it's really versatile Jul 19 12:54:41 lcukn900: Does it say that? Jul 19 12:54:54 well, there has to be some good things all the VMS programmers bought out by big-evil brought to WNT Jul 19 12:55:15 I've got an abcess the size of a bowling ball on my face. Jul 19 12:55:20 * alterego books a dentist appointment. Jul 19 12:55:41 I look like the elephant man Jul 19 12:55:55 PR1.3 would have fixed this .. Jul 19 12:56:44 lcukn900: The headline says "using paper" because "using light" a) doesn't let people know if they've seen it and b) the user is navigating via the paper, even if the device is not ;-p Jul 19 12:56:48 * DocScrutinizer joins alterego on his way to dentist :-S Jul 19 12:57:11 DocScrutinizer: you got a dental prob too? Jul 19 12:57:24 I don't mind check ups, I just hate it when I know they're going to have to do sommething big Jul 19 12:57:24 hi, Jul 19 12:57:26 yeah, prolly killing me next time Jul 19 12:58:19 anyone know why I got these errors with the i386 target (worked for armel) ? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/lugdulov_0.1.0-1/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt Jul 19 12:58:21 really big surgery waiting Jul 19 12:58:36 DocScrutinizer: :/ I hope it turns out all good for you Jul 19 12:59:07 I hope I move my arse before they have to call the ambulance to get me there Jul 19 12:59:32 iksaif: looks like the i386 target is having some kind of issue with Qt Mobility APIs Jul 19 12:59:50 DocScrutinizer: what's wrong if you don't mind me asking? Jul 19 13:00:22 3 jackets rotten underneath. Radix surgery, or extraction pending Jul 19 13:00:34 Eek Jul 19 13:01:09 maybe jawbone infected, dunno Jul 19 13:01:13 I think I'm going to need three extractions and a root canal Jul 19 13:01:19 :/ and current Qt Mobility (at least Location) is bugged and can't use network... Jul 19 13:01:37 Which means I'll need a denture for my back molar. Jul 19 13:01:43 but this is fixed in current git tree :) Jul 19 13:01:46 I suppose it sounds worse than it is .. Jul 19 13:01:54 alterego: what can I do for the autobuilder ? wait ? ping someone ? Jul 19 13:02:06 iksaif: not sure, still looking into it :) Jul 19 13:02:50 Oh, this is interesting .. Jul 19 13:03:58 Actually, it looks like libraries that Qt depends on are not being bought into the build process. Jul 19 13:04:10 So the issue is actually Qt libs not being able to link against libs they rely on. Jul 19 13:04:25 funny Jul 19 13:04:39 iksaif: maybe ping X-Fade Jul 19 13:04:59 Though I don't know if it's something wrong with what you're doing, from the log though it seems like it might be an issue with builder. Jul 19 13:05:08 * alterego wonders if X-Fade isn't on holiday though .. Jul 19 13:05:27 ~seen X-Fade Jul 19 13:05:30 x-fade is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 3h 21m 14s, last said: 'lcuk: pong'. Jul 19 13:05:41 I guess not :) Jul 19 13:05:53 alterego: I use cmake, and it works on my gentoo, and on my scratchbox (i386 and armel) Jul 19 13:06:01 and it works with the armel autobuilder Jul 19 13:06:32 so .. porbably a i386 autobuilder issue ... Jul 19 13:06:34 iksaif: that's because you have all the deps installed :P Jul 19 13:06:37 Yeah Jul 19 13:07:35 I can probably put a fake build-depend to install required dependencies :-* Jul 19 13:07:43 Yes, probably. Jul 19 13:09:21 hum .. liblocation is reported missing .. but is installed Jul 19 13:09:45 let's try with a make VERBOSE=1 to get the cflags ... Jul 19 13:10:11 Are you running qmake before make? Jul 19 13:14:01 alterego: I'm using cmake, not qmake :) Jul 19 13:20:00 the log are now more verbose ... same url Jul 19 13:28:46 DocScrutinizer, there's a cli sharing plugin on tmo and garage Jul 19 13:29:17 hmm, sounds odd. what is it supposed to do? Jul 19 13:29:44 allow to execute an arbitrary command to share Jul 19 13:29:59 I have it configured for scp upload atm Jul 19 13:30:12 but I'd like to add others Jul 19 13:30:16 ooh share *VIA* cli, not share _the_ cli Jul 19 13:30:36 :) Jul 19 13:34:15 * DocScrutinizer notices the extreme non-inuitivity of "check for new services" in setting-sharingAccounts Jul 19 13:35:22 LOL!! minutes later HAM pops up, with a list of sharing plugins and lots of unrelated crap :-P Jul 19 13:36:33 Ha Jul 19 13:36:45 Section: user/sharing-plugins Jul 19 13:37:27 * DocScrutinizer wonders how liqtactoe got in there Jul 19 13:39:06 also petrovich probably isn't exactly a plugin Jul 19 13:39:11 but meh Jul 19 13:41:45 Meh indeed Jul 19 13:42:04 I mean, you could file a bug, but where would it get you? :P Jul 19 13:44:44 did anybody managed to run pulseaudio in scratchbox? Jul 19 13:46:38 did anybody managed to run pulseaudio? Jul 19 13:46:57 Nokia? Jul 19 13:47:03 did anybody managed pulseaudio? Jul 19 13:47:16 Nokia? Jul 19 13:47:52 * DocScrutinizer ponders adding "PA must die" to his signature Jul 19 13:48:10 Penny Arcade? :( Jul 19 13:48:33 DocScrutinizer, I'm gonna process the last round of device requests this week. Jul 19 13:48:41 Pennsylvania? Jul 19 13:48:49 k, I'm out :-) Jul 19 13:50:01 I know I can establish a usb networking to allow N900 to get internet from a computer, but does it work the other way too? making N900 the host and allowing the other computer to get to the net through N900 using usb? Jul 19 13:50:49 yes smhar thats the "normal" way of doing it Jul 19 13:50:51 yes Jul 19 13:51:05 my ubuntu laptop detects it naturally without any extra drivers Jul 19 13:51:06 pc suite mode and let the magic begin! Jul 19 13:51:22 great Jul 19 13:51:43 any filesystem guys knocking around? Jul 19 13:51:53 im pondering things about unionfs Jul 19 13:52:00 Stskeeps: fb_text2screen! Jul 19 13:56:32 smhar: in pc suite mode you can use you phone like a modem Jul 19 13:57:09 debian sid detect it just fine ( debian sid + gnome, network manager Jul 19 13:57:11 ) Jul 19 13:57:27 E0x, any idea about squeeze? Jul 19 14:01:45 smhar: not sure but i think will work Jul 19 14:02:26 i think just need have installed network-manager for "easy" setup all Jul 19 14:02:46 but you can use wvdial too Jul 19 14:03:08 wow what a load od balls this sync business is Jul 19 14:07:46 what editor are available in terminal? Jul 19 14:08:03 vi Jul 19 14:08:13 and? Jul 19 14:08:32 Why would you want anything else? Jul 19 14:08:35 mcedit Jul 19 14:08:46 emacs Jul 19 14:08:50 sed Jul 19 14:09:56 nano Jul 19 14:10:54 none in in extras yet Jul 19 14:11:19 err, nokia siemens just bought motorola's phone division? Jul 19 14:11:30 Nokia-N900-02-8:~# ls -l `which editor` Jul 19 14:11:31 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Apr 23 20:02 /usr/bin/editor -> /etc/alternatives/editor Jul 19 14:11:33 Nokia-N900-02-8:~# ls -l /etc/alternatives/editor Jul 19 14:11:34 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Apr 25 19:32 /etc/alternatives/editor -> /usr/bin/mcedit-debian Jul 19 14:11:48 ieatlint: networks, not phones Jul 19 14:12:02 ah, i misunderstood Jul 19 14:13:16 ed! Jul 19 14:13:39 ok, that made me do a real double-take, that makes a lot more sense now Jul 19 14:14:05 How can I make a call from my custom maemo5 application ? Is there an API ? Jul 19 14:17:55 DrIDK: I believe it's telepathy Jul 19 14:20:43 hello Jul 19 14:20:53 ehlo Jul 19 14:21:26 been using my n900 for like 2 weeks now Jul 19 14:21:32 i love it Jul 19 14:21:37 okay Jul 19 14:21:53 u jealous? Jul 19 14:22:03 why? Jul 19 14:22:17 why what Jul 19 14:22:29 why would i be jealous? Jul 19 14:22:46 why wouldnt u be? Jul 19 14:22:52 Dongle: been using my n800 for 2.5 years and my n900 since nov. you jealous? Jul 19 14:23:10 (oh, and i love them) Jul 19 14:23:34 * slonopotamus fails to get the point of this conversation but whatever Jul 19 14:23:44 * mortini nods. Jul 19 14:24:00 there really wasnt one Jul 19 14:24:09 just making convo Jul 19 14:24:15 Dongle: oh(2), and nokia granted me n900 for free. Jul 19 14:24:36 why? Jul 19 14:24:37 1:0? :) Jul 19 14:24:51 slonopotamus, you dont wanna start a pissing competition in here ;) Jul 19 14:25:00 Dongle: because "i'm an expert in this area" as they said Jul 19 14:25:19 lcuk: c'mon, it's just funny :) Jul 19 14:25:40 I can't piss very well but my penis is HUGE Jul 19 14:25:41 an expert? a phone expert? Jul 19 14:25:52 nice Jul 19 14:26:07 Dongle: i didn't say i am. Jul 19 14:26:14 Dongle, what have you been doing with your n900 then Jul 19 14:26:16 unfortunately it won't sync with ovi Jul 19 14:26:25 are u a blogger? i know some of those guys got free ones Jul 19 14:26:47 mirf, if it was so big, you would risk trapping it in the ovi Jul 19 14:26:48 i got an openmoko freerunner for free... does that make me special? Jul 19 14:26:55 ive been loading it with games, organizing my work stuff, adding contacts Jul 19 14:27:15 Dongle, cool, are you a linux user yourself, or is this your first linux device? Jul 19 14:27:19 lcuk: I was coaxed in, I figured I could leave whenver I wanted Jul 19 14:27:20 @ieatlint yes it does Jul 19 14:27:32 my first linux device. Jul 19 14:27:34 in a hilarious and depressing way.. Jul 19 14:27:44 cool, what did you have before it Jul 19 14:27:46 im on it right now at work hehe Jul 19 14:27:58 iphone 3g Jul 19 14:28:09 totally feel like a free bird Jul 19 14:28:18 :) Jul 19 14:28:32 ieatlint: that may make Dongle jealous Jul 19 14:29:02 haha Jul 19 14:29:17 slonopotamus: best phone ever! Jul 19 14:29:21 i probable should change my font color Jul 19 14:29:57 testing Jul 19 14:30:05 ...didnt work Jul 19 14:30:23 Dongle: irc doesn't work that way. you can't force your colors on others Jul 19 14:30:54 Only because the channel is +Cu^Hcnt. Jul 19 14:30:56 he meant his own - im guessing hte grey of his own text is too light (it is for me at times) Jul 19 14:31:00 well i was trying to do local but still didnt work Jul 19 14:31:15 yea exact.y lcuk Jul 19 14:32:00 testing Jul 19 14:32:15 seems to work there buddy Jul 19 14:33:07 not working for me! Jul 19 14:33:17 maybe i have to restart irc Jul 19 14:38:06 Zagg invisibelshield users around here? Jul 19 14:38:21 tybollt: yes Jul 19 14:38:58 "microbubbles and imperfections will work themselves out in a day or two" <-- this true to the word or should I spoent the extra time to really REALLY get them all out of there? :) Jul 19 14:39:43 tybollt: it's true Jul 19 14:39:44 if they're "microbubbles", then ignore them.. if they're 1mm or so, work them out Jul 19 14:39:51 tybollt: unless bubbles are too big Jul 19 14:39:55 jacekowski: good stuff Jul 19 14:40:10 ieatlint: faire nough Jul 19 14:40:12 tybollt: sorry, didn't notice any after I put mine on, Jul 19 14:40:13 well, microbubless will go Jul 19 14:40:16 bubbles no Jul 19 14:41:34 mine has started to lift on various parts, lost the edges at about ~ 6 months, now the back is starting to go, but to be fair, it was washed, and has spent 6 months unproteced in my pocket Jul 19 14:42:39 yeah, the screen is the real one to worry about Jul 19 14:43:15 where can u buy these? Jul 19 14:43:37 invisibleshields Dongle? Jul 19 14:43:46 yes Jul 19 14:43:56 I would suspect invisibleshield.com Jul 19 14:44:17 yeah, i don't think i'll buy anything but the screen when my meego device arrives Jul 19 14:44:29 i dunno...sounds too exact Jul 19 14:45:13 does the screen get scratched easily? mine hasnt so far. knock on wood Jul 19 14:45:42 I have bought: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NOKIA-N900-PROTECTIVE-CRYSTAL-CASE-SCREEN-PROTECTOR-/220548226786?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item3359b2dee2 and http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/6-PACK-LCD-SCREEN-GUARD-PROTECTORS-NOKIA-N900-/320523762503?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Mobiles_Accessories_RL&hash=item4aa0b47b47 Jul 19 14:45:51 which work well for me Jul 19 14:45:55 Dongle: It depends. Jul 19 14:46:21 Dongle: If you keep it in a pocket with little or nothing else, do not live in a gritty environment, and rarely if ever use the pointer - maybe not. Jul 19 14:46:39 what's a meego device? :o Jul 19 14:46:48 But one oops with something sharp can otherwise cause major scraching. As can a teeny bit of grit on the edge of the pointer Jul 19 14:46:59 pointer? u mean stylus? i use it often Jul 19 14:47:15 yes Jul 19 14:47:27 oh really. i keep the pointer inside away from the grits! Jul 19 14:47:47 i lick the pointer before using it Jul 19 14:47:50 :3 Jul 19 14:48:03 im gonna check out those protectors. do they make the sensitivity of the screen decrease? Jul 19 14:48:11 Dongle: yes Jul 19 14:48:14 Personally, the above protectors work fine for me. And not that I noticed. Jul 19 14:48:15 but not that much Jul 19 14:48:29 screen protectors suck Jul 19 14:48:48 i see. well it would be a good investment anyways for such a valuable device Jul 19 14:48:49 kerio: i'll let you know when mine arrives Jul 19 14:49:13 you can just buy another full cover when it gets unusable Jul 19 14:49:54 Removing the cover is not risk free Jul 19 14:50:06 DocScrutinizer bricked his phone that way. Jul 19 14:50:06 just put a condom over the phone, it's effective and also makes it water resistant Jul 19 14:50:19 ieatlint: ribbed? Jul 19 14:50:40 SpeedEvil: what if i go to a nokia point? Jul 19 14:50:42 for your finger's pleasure Jul 19 14:50:59 kerio: they will not - as I understand it - replace the case free. Jul 19 14:51:06 bricked it from a protector? Jul 19 14:51:08 It's quite an intricate operation. Jul 19 14:51:11 afk Jul 19 14:51:19 Dongle: bricked it by removing the innards from the case Jul 19 14:51:31 - which you'd need to do to replace a damaged case Jul 19 14:51:32 why would he do that? Jul 19 14:51:40 because he's like that. Jul 19 14:51:44 ohh i see Jul 19 14:51:48 hello, is it a bad idea to run N900 overclocked at all times? If no, how do do that? I have latest power kernel installed, ideal settings work well, but i'd like to go a little faster still Jul 19 14:51:53 To take pictures of the insides, for debugging purposes. Jul 19 14:52:26 bennypr0fane: Overclocking isn't as well tollerated by the CPU. It's only rated at 10000 hours at 600Mhz anyway. Jul 19 14:52:38 i would only open up the screen to blow out dust that gets trapped. if that happends Jul 19 14:52:53 a little *faster* than 1ghz? Jul 19 14:52:53 the fuck Jul 19 14:52:57 bennypr0fane: According to spec. goin faster may dramatically reduce this life, and permenantly damage things. Jul 19 14:52:59 lol Jul 19 14:53:07 overclocking is a bad, bad, bad idea Jul 19 14:53:21 itll be a good hand warmer for the winter too Jul 19 14:53:25 i only sert it to 850 Jul 19 14:53:59 SpeedEvil, technically where the hours rating coming from? Jul 19 14:54:15 i'd just rather we didnt talk about n900 OC whilst we still have lovely warranties Jul 19 14:54:18 bennypr0fane: might cause system failure unrecoverable, in several months Jul 19 14:54:38 some people on talk.maemo.org say it can't be told yet how what the risks are exactly Jul 19 14:55:04 it is really going to slow for me Jul 19 14:55:34 what r u using it for? Jul 19 14:55:41 everything Jul 19 14:55:48 then find other ways to improve performance Jul 19 14:55:53 whaaat? Jul 19 14:55:57 bennypr0fane: do you really need to? Jul 19 14:55:58 bennypr0fane: they are idiots that can't read or believe TI specs Jul 19 14:56:04 like what, for example? Jul 19 14:56:04 i remember for years having to close EVERYTHING to get reasonable gaming performance Jul 19 14:56:18 we can now do so much more without being so drastic Jul 19 14:56:26 infact, i remember havign to do same just to play an mp3! Jul 19 14:56:27 mines stock and is fastest mobile device ive ever touched Jul 19 14:56:33 bennypr0fane: so if they claim 'it' can't be told, they mean they themselves do not understand Jul 19 14:56:44 Dongle, the n900 kicks ass! Jul 19 14:56:44 :-D Jul 19 14:57:04 that is so true lcuk Jul 19 14:57:06 what bugs me the most is phone reacting so slowly Jul 19 14:57:16 the Phone application? Jul 19 14:57:22 yes Jul 19 14:57:29 the rotation delay won't get better with a faster cpu Jul 19 14:57:37 yes it does Jul 19 14:57:40 and it's a ram problem, not a cpu problem Jul 19 14:57:42 i tried it Jul 19 14:57:47 i mean....just cope Jul 19 14:57:55 no its not, its a set thing, you can tweak rotation times Jul 19 14:58:05 transitions can be effectively removed Jul 19 14:58:10 or disable it right? Jul 19 14:58:13 I want an options in the phone app to just bring up the dial pad when opened Jul 19 14:58:19 dunno about flat out disable Jul 19 14:58:20 do you really need more than 10Hz to dial a number? Jul 19 14:58:27 :/ Jul 19 14:58:27 see? ask 2 people, get 2 opinions, ask 10 people, get 10..... Jul 19 14:58:36 but rotation can occur literally in the blink of an eye, it just doesnt look as good and is more jolting Jul 19 14:58:41 ask 515 get 515? Jul 19 14:58:53 bennypr0fane: we're all pretty consistant on "overclocking is stupid" Jul 19 14:58:54 no ham, 516 Jul 19 14:59:12 i agree the rotation can be annoying Jul 19 14:59:13 is that true everyone? Jul 19 14:59:31 bennypr0fane: it's up to you to estimate the conpetence of the opinion givers Jul 19 14:59:33 "all pretty consistant", i mean? Jul 19 14:59:38 i wouldnt go 1000 Jul 19 14:59:53 ~tell bennypr0fane about joerg Jul 19 14:59:53 but 850 should be ok.... Jul 19 15:00:11 bennypr0fane, if 850 was ok, it would have that as top speed when you bought it Jul 19 15:00:17 "should" Jul 19 15:00:31 i mean if you get even better battery life....? Jul 19 15:00:33 well they want good battery life Jul 19 15:00:53 what about JrG? Jul 19 15:01:16 * DocScrutinizer starts to get into OC-kick-them-bastards rage and fury again :-( Jul 19 15:01:47 DocScrutinizer: nooooo Jul 19 15:01:59 just let them overclock Jul 19 15:02:14 they'll disconnect after their n900 blows up Jul 19 15:02:16 blargh Jul 19 15:02:23 * DocScrutinizer waves Jul 19 15:02:34 hopefully causing permanent damage Jul 19 15:02:54 however battery life is not that much of an issue for me, but between using the n900 for other things (browsing,...) you really have to wait a lot for a lot of rotations to make a phone call Jul 19 15:02:56 haha Jul 19 15:03:01 kerio: n900 WILL NOT BLOW UP! it just will act up, by throwing SEGV every 5 minutes Jul 19 15:03:15 right :) bennypr0fane its off the dicussion board, one more word about it.. Jul 19 15:03:18 bennypr0fane: and how overclock will help with rotation? Jul 19 15:03:21 any nice frontend for overclocking yet? Jul 19 15:03:26 rhen they go sobbing "eeew those apps are so crappy" Jul 19 15:03:30 it is faster Jul 19 15:03:32 bennypr0fane: unless you overclock RTC it's not going to help at all Jul 19 15:03:38 bennypr0fane no it isnt. Jul 19 15:03:42 but it does Jul 19 15:03:49 BS Jul 19 15:03:51 just call in landscape Jul 19 15:03:54 used to have a nice clock app on my old htc that would speed up only when needed Jul 19 15:03:57 nah, rotation is using timer that's calibrated to RTC Jul 19 15:04:02 he wants dial pad Jul 19 15:04:13 rotations are specifically controlled by time delays in transitions.ini. upping the cpu speed doesnt change the plain fact that those specifically-set delays are still there Jul 19 15:04:29 also, fast access to contacts is only there in portrait Jul 19 15:04:30 and it's designed to wait a while to make sure that you really turned your phone Jul 19 15:04:31 you or whoever told you overclocking would change rotation times is talking out their ass Jul 19 15:04:35 setm delay to 0 Jul 19 15:04:39 jacekowski: and transitions probably done by gles and GFX accel hw anyway Jul 19 15:04:52 but well, you could overclock RTC Jul 19 15:04:56 damn where was the kick msg Jul 19 15:04:57 that would make rotation faster Jul 19 15:05:04 jacekowski, you as well :P Jul 19 15:05:16 lcuk: overclocking rtc would make rotation faster Jul 19 15:05:21 isnt that what u want? fast rotation? Jul 19 15:05:23 lcuk: but clock would be faster as well Jul 19 15:05:43 jacekowski: the n900 is so fast that even the clock does 48 hours a day Jul 19 15:05:51 jacekowski, drop the subject Jul 19 15:06:02 hmm, that would be evil Jul 19 15:06:02 huh... Jul 19 15:06:08 lol Jul 19 15:06:12 no joking allowed here? Jul 19 15:06:12 app that would mess with RTC clock Jul 19 15:06:22 and some marketing BS Jul 19 15:06:34 that slowing it down improves battery life Jul 19 15:06:38 thanks DocScrutinizer :D Jul 19 15:06:55 does anyone use a case for their n900? Jul 19 15:07:00 i'm wondering how many people would buy it Jul 19 15:07:17 i would do it just for sake of screwing with people Jul 19 15:07:32 Dongle, ive got a little bag/pouch Jul 19 15:07:42 i've got a pocket Jul 19 15:07:55 when u get a call, how do u whip it out in time? Jul 19 15:08:21 when a problem comes along Jul 19 15:08:26 you must whip it Jul 19 15:08:29 i bought a leather clip case but the n900 is heavy and wobbles on my belt Jul 19 15:08:46 feels annoying Jul 19 15:09:30 Dongle: nobody calls me Jul 19 15:09:36 lol Jul 19 15:09:38 Dongle: besides, i have huge pockets Jul 19 15:09:47 so it's easy for me to take phone out of it Jul 19 15:09:54 i have my phone in left pocket Jul 19 15:09:57 and my wallet in right Jul 19 15:10:01 any car keys in right Jul 19 15:10:03 Dongle: when someone calls me, I take my phone out, not my tablet Jul 19 15:10:04 and house keys in left Jul 19 15:10:05 well im worried about dust getting under the phone Jul 19 15:10:17 screen that is Jul 19 15:10:23 jacekowski: house keys don't scratch it up? Jul 19 15:10:42 not so far Jul 19 15:10:51 i've got more scratches from dropping it Jul 19 15:10:52 protector on it? Jul 19 15:10:55 no Jul 19 15:10:57 insurance Jul 19 15:11:10 how much was it? from nokia? Jul 19 15:11:11 yeah, I stopped putting it in my shirt pocket because it'd just fall out -.-;; Jul 19 15:11:15 no Jul 19 15:11:25 from my bank Jul 19 15:11:29 lol it would look like a square boob Jul 19 15:11:35 I keep wallet + both keys in my right pocket Jul 19 15:11:36 speaking of scratches... does anyone else have issues with the stylus causing 'fine' scratches? Jul 19 15:11:38 i pay £9/month for travel insurance + phone + AA cover Jul 19 15:11:42 and N900, phone, and rosary in my left Jul 19 15:11:45 + gold card Jul 19 15:11:47 bank phone insurance eh? Jul 19 15:11:53 Would you say the 810 is is a good ebook reader? I was thinking it might be because of the pretty hires screen that's kinda bigger than cellphones and transflective, as well as decent battery life Jul 19 15:12:00 Dongle: one of "freebies" with my account Jul 19 15:12:09 TiredWolf: i like it as a ebook reader as i can read it in the sun Jul 19 15:12:30 Dongle: so when phone goes wrong/lost/something i just have to pay £30 excess Jul 19 15:12:40 Dongle: which is cheaper than screen protector Jul 19 15:12:44 wow Jul 19 15:12:52 hi, does anyone knows if theres a way to use the n900 as a web cam? Jul 19 15:12:53 if you want something to read in the sun, use GameBoy Colour for ebooks Jul 19 15:12:55 <.< Jul 19 15:12:58 i need to ask my bank for that haha Jul 19 15:13:03 Dongle: where do you live? Jul 19 15:13:05 is it big enough? I know the specs in theory but i've never actually seen one Jul 19 15:13:09 us Jul 19 15:13:26 that might be a problem Jul 19 15:13:32 yea ive seen an app for streaming camera rodald Jul 19 15:13:34 TiredWolf: no handheld is big enough for most PDFs, IMO Jul 19 15:13:43 i use bank of america Jul 19 15:13:44 i doubt any bank sells something like that there Jul 19 15:13:58 i'm using lloydstsb Jul 19 15:13:59 where and whats the name? Jul 19 15:14:10 i use bank of america Jul 19 15:14:14 whoops Jul 19 15:14:23 you're repeating yourself Jul 19 15:14:29 i use bank of america Jul 19 15:14:37 i know i hit the down arrow lol Jul 19 15:14:39 Hmm. Although the actual ebook readers, while bigger, are often similar resolution Jul 19 15:14:49 no the up arrow Jul 19 15:14:59 TiredWolf: resolution is about quality, not size Jul 19 15:15:12 its so close to the enter key on the n900 Jul 19 15:15:36 TiredWolf: you could scale PDFs to fit on N810's display, but you wouldn't be able to read it because the print would be so small Jul 19 15:15:46 or at least, you'd be straining if you could Jul 19 15:16:11 luke-jr: well but if you have hi res you can fit more stuff without reaching unreadable quality Jul 19 15:16:14 rodald try google Jul 19 15:16:23 TiredWolf: size matters Jul 19 15:16:23 i see Jul 19 15:16:47 u could use the tv out and read pdfs on a tv Jul 19 15:16:55 heh Jul 19 15:17:01 there is no TV out Jul 19 15:17:08 also, that'd be far worse Jul 19 15:17:11 on the n900 yesss Jul 19 15:17:24 worse how? small print gets bigge Jul 19 15:17:26 Dongle: but he's talking about N810 Jul 19 15:17:32 Dongle: TV resolution is utter crap Jul 19 15:17:32 ohh my bad Jul 19 15:17:35 and interlaced Jul 19 15:17:56 so effectively 720x240 Jul 19 15:17:58 when i tried it watching something it seemed fine Jul 19 15:18:05 whats interlaced mean Jul 19 15:18:08 watching video is not reading Jul 19 15:18:19 it means half the height, alternating lines Jul 19 15:18:51 flickering Jul 19 15:18:53 oh by the way. can the n900 tv out videos u record on it? i tried but i dont get video, just audio Jul 19 15:18:58 * lcuk remembers highresolution amiga Jul 19 15:19:06 oh i see Jul 19 15:19:09 14" tv and flicker Jul 19 15:19:13 its no wonder i have glasses Jul 19 15:19:17 lol Jul 19 15:19:18 lol Jul 19 15:19:25 mgedmin: ping Jul 19 15:19:30 meow Jul 19 15:19:37 lcuk: I think my Amiga supported a non-interlaced mode... Jul 19 15:19:40 mgedmin: what kind of web interface does your logs run on? Jul 19 15:19:47 doesn't actually mean half height exactly Jul 19 15:20:01 Stskeeps, static files served by apache Jul 19 15:20:01 interlacing means half the veritcal resolution per update Jul 19 15:20:01 luke-jr, you were posh and had an RGB monitor with deinterlacer Jul 19 15:20:21 ntsc 60hz, so you still get the same full picture with 480 vertical lines Jul 19 15:20:26 mgedmin: ok, so supybot spits out html directly? Jul 19 15:20:26 just only 240 at a time Jul 19 15:20:37 Stskeeps, cron Jul 19 15:21:01 ok Jul 19 15:21:13 any specific tool to export it like that? Jul 19 15:21:24 and the interlacing is essentially required by the composite format it uses Jul 19 15:21:28 Stskeeps, http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/ Jul 19 15:21:32 thanks Jul 19 15:21:39 incidentally, ever page has a link to the tool in the footer ;) Jul 19 15:21:53 i never read stories to the end ;) Jul 19 15:21:59 playback self recorded video? WFM, like any other video does Jul 19 15:22:15 the tool badly needs love and attention (e.g. documentation) Jul 19 15:24:12 ~seen X-Fade Jul 19 15:24:16 x-fade is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 5h 40m 1s, last said: 'lcuk: pong'. Jul 19 15:25:14 which method do you guys use for syncing your calendar? Jul 19 15:25:36 mgedmin: if we were centralising logging for #meego* things, would it be possible to get a tarball of your #meego logs so we have them in one place? Jul 19 15:25:45 Stskeeps, sure! Jul 19 15:26:06 k Jul 19 15:26:19 I can help with supybot config and the cron scripts too Jul 19 15:27:01 :nod: will note it in the page, we're working on proposal for IRC setup when servers are set up at OSUOSL Jul 19 15:29:36 how many people use maemo-mapper/mappero under maemo5? Jul 19 15:29:47 not me Jul 19 15:29:58 i use maep or sygic Jul 19 15:30:02 anyone in here overclocking? Jul 19 15:30:17 ~overclocking Jul 19 15:30:18 "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" Jul 19 15:30:38 I managed to get usb networking working. I can ping both ends and I can ssh to n900 :-) Jul 19 15:30:47 Stskeeps: is maep stable? Jul 19 15:30:50 smhar, nice! Jul 19 15:30:57 smhar, yay Jul 19 15:30:57 what's sygic? Jul 19 15:31:01 Hi mirf, be careful i got kicked out 10 mins ago fro asking about oc Jul 19 15:31:08 hrw: works for me for simple things Jul 19 15:31:09 really? Jul 19 15:31:10 I've a shell script that runs dnsmasq configured as a DHCP server on the n900 side Jul 19 15:31:18 yes, really Jul 19 15:31:19 I run it, plug in the USB cable, and my laptop autoconfigures Jul 19 15:31:31 combine this with avahi-daemon, and you can ssh your-n900.local without any extra setup Jul 19 15:31:45 nano installed :-) Jul 19 15:31:47 (only cables suck, so I use wifi anyway, usually) Jul 19 15:31:48 mgedmin: static IPs do that too Jul 19 15:31:48 Stskeeps: I need a tool for Prague sightseeing - old maemo-mapper like tool with google maps data Jul 19 15:32:17 kerio, static IPs would require me to do static config on my lappy Jul 19 15:32:22 hrw: i pre-cache in maep quite often Jul 19 15:32:55 mgedmin: yeah Jul 19 15:32:56 so? Jul 19 15:33:10 mgedmin: why do you need avahi? Jul 19 15:33:12 * mgedmin <-- lazy, hates manual work Jul 19 15:33:27 luke-jr, so I can access my n900 without knowing its IP address in any network whatsoever Jul 19 15:33:32 ... Jul 19 15:33:39 didn't you just say dnsmasq? Jul 19 15:34:20 maybe it is time to symlink some directories from rootfs outside to free more space :-) Jul 19 15:34:23 luke-jr, eh? that's for when there's no WiFi nearby and I have to use usb/adhoc wifi and need my n900 to become the DHCP server Jul 19 15:34:51 mgedmin: dnsmasq is a DNS server Jul 19 15:35:04 luke-jr, it has a DHCP server too Jul 19 15:35:10 mgedmin: I'm aware. Jul 19 15:35:24 it also adds systems that use DHCP to its DNS records Jul 19 15:35:34 right, and your point is? Jul 19 15:35:44 my point is that you don't need avahi Jul 19 15:35:55 since dnsmasq will just resolve whatever for you Jul 19 15:35:56 I need it when I'm not using my own dnsmasq Jul 19 15:36:13 if there's an existing WiFi network, I connect both my laptop and my n900 to it, then avahi lets them find each other Jul 19 15:36:31 if there's no existing WiFi network, only then I need my custom scripts and stuff Jul 19 15:36:39 i c Jul 19 15:36:51 because I am have only 53mn left now :-) Jul 19 15:36:58 I sometimes wonder how much avahi-daemon costs in terms of battery life Jul 19 15:37:06 did anybody ever do any tests? Jul 19 15:38:10 I do have serious problems with battery life. It only lasts for around 4 hours Jul 19 15:38:34 ouch Jul 19 15:38:44 I'm unhappy because mine lasts maybe 10 hours Jul 19 15:38:48 I am not sure if it is because of some programs running in the background Jul 19 15:39:09 screen brightness Jul 19 15:39:36 smhar: using 3g data? Jul 19 15:39:40 when the battery is full after charging and I unplug the charger, the battery level immediately drops 2% Jul 19 15:39:53 whoa Jul 19 15:40:26 is bluetooth and gsm data on? Jul 19 15:40:34 is the transmitter on? Jul 19 15:40:51 bloetooth is off but gsm is on Jul 19 15:41:06 the fm transmitter? it is off Jul 19 15:41:11 using the light sabre attachment? Jul 19 15:41:20 what app are u using to view battery life? Jul 19 15:41:20 no Jul 19 15:42:28 desktop command execution widget Jul 19 15:42:50 hmm. try getting batterygraph and see if they match up Jul 19 15:43:16 one might say Jul 19 15:43:49 its lower than it actually is. is ur device oc? Jul 19 15:44:02 what is oc? Jul 19 15:44:08 oh, no Jul 19 15:44:10 overclocked Jul 19 15:44:15 strange Jul 19 15:44:23 broken battery Jul 19 15:44:27 not that I did anyway? Jul 19 15:44:34 smhar, 4 hours of idle or 4 hours of busy use? Jul 19 15:44:37 The maemo battery meter is somewhat inaccurate. Either it over-estimates charge level (and shows 100% forever) or underestimates it (and shows something less than 100% after you disconnect charger) Jul 19 15:44:40 yea could be a dying batteey Jul 19 15:45:11 4 hours of heavy use on and off -with idle gaps- Jul 19 15:45:21 Battey Graph. Jul 19 15:45:36 it is a one month old N900 Jul 19 15:45:48 ive noticed it sort of overestimates for me. if i do a restart, it becomes accurate Jul 19 15:47:22 Hello, last try: can anyone recommend tools for syncing the Meamo 5 calendar OTA? I've tried syncevolution with google, but it doesn't work for me... Jul 19 15:48:07 sorry i got nothin Jul 19 15:48:30 thanks Dongle Jul 19 15:48:47 On two different antibiotics and I can't drink on one of them .. :( Jul 19 15:49:12 bennypr0fane: I think google calendars can be sync'ed with mail for exchange Jul 19 15:49:23 though I don't use either so I can't help Jul 19 15:49:31 (but syncevolution worked fine for me) Jul 19 15:50:02 bennypr0fane: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync may have some help too Jul 19 15:50:10 smhar, so how do you get usb-host working? Jul 19 15:50:33 jrocha: I'm having a hard time building and packaging pygoocanvas. Jul 19 15:51:05 hi dmj726_devel Jul 19 15:51:08 why is that? Jul 19 15:51:39 how Jul 19 15:51:50 I get errors like this when I ty to make a debian package: http://pastebin.org/405233 Jul 19 15:51:56 anyone know how to use python-scapy? Jul 19 15:52:19 Stskeeps: maep require user to zoom/pan to cache maps? no option to download ares? Jul 19 15:52:20 smhar: I just killed my device from 80% with a OTA upgrade of easydebian in 2 hours Jul 19 15:52:28 s/ares/areas Jul 19 15:52:46 my N900 is building WebKit -.- Jul 19 15:52:53 Corsac thanks, but I don't even have Mail for Exchange Jul 19 15:52:57 luke-jr: see you in 3 days Jul 19 15:52:58 285 MB memory use linking, and it's come to a stand-still Jul 19 15:53:10 Stskeeps: that how long it takes? Jul 19 15:53:20 bennypr0fane: thats build in... Jul 19 15:53:24 luke-jr: hahaha nice Jul 19 15:53:48 bennypr0fane: look in settings Jul 19 15:54:01 i mean on my desktop Jul 19 15:54:12 seriously, all it's doing is swapping Jul 19 15:54:19 I hope it doesn't destroy the eMMC :| Jul 19 15:54:26 luke-jr: ^c Jul 19 15:54:31 jrocha: I know you got pygoocanvas built, so I was wondering what you did. Jul 19 15:54:32 bennypr0fane: thats a client-server thing and you don't need anything on your desktop for it Jul 19 15:54:32 in fact, screw that... Jul 19 15:54:39 * luke-jr activates external SD swap Jul 19 15:54:56 does it make sense to use MfE for syncing from the N900 if i don't use it anywhere else? Jul 19 15:54:59 luke-jr, beware, swap on vfat hangs Jul 19 15:55:04 ShadowJK: it's not on vfat Jul 19 15:55:11 ShadowJK: but it has crashed in the past Jul 19 15:55:30 bennypr0fane: why shouldn't it? Jul 19 15:55:32 I had biweekly I/O hang/stall with swapfile on ext3 Jul 19 15:55:49 seems to have gone away either with PR1.2 or with moving to using a swap partition on microsd Jul 19 15:55:54 dmj726_devel, it might have to do with the attempt to use Python 2.3 Jul 19 15:55:57 bennypr0fane: sync with whatever you like Jul 19 15:56:03 ShadowJK: better to hang than to destroy eMMC :\ Jul 19 15:56:13 plus, this way I get the added benefit of faster swap :P Jul 19 15:56:19 dmj726_devel, I didn't package pygoocanvas Jul 19 15:56:22 chem|st looks like i'm not understanding this right. so i can get MfE to sync with my google account? Jul 19 15:56:32 I only compiled it by the time I ported OCRFeeder to Maemo Jul 19 15:56:35 bennypr0fane: for n900 yes Jul 19 15:56:45 wow Jul 19 15:56:55 oh, so you didn't put it on the device with a deb? Jul 19 15:56:59 what tool you use for your desktop is another thing Jul 19 15:57:07 i thotught i'd need a corporate e-amil server tot do that Jul 19 15:57:20 hrm... Jul 19 15:57:45 I got it to compile. Jul 19 15:57:59 but the build process fails. Jul 19 15:58:14 I mean building the package Jul 19 15:58:15 bennypr0fane: we use communigate so also no MS-Exchange server Jul 19 15:58:46 aha Jul 19 15:58:58 * luke-jr should have set ionice on it Jul 19 15:59:25 is mfE supposed to be pre-installed? Jul 19 15:59:50 bennypr0fane: http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync#Synchronising_with_Google Jul 19 16:03:59 thank you chem|st, this has been very helpful! Jul 19 16:04:37 dmj726_devel, yes, I think it has to do with the Python 2.3 being used Jul 19 16:05:08 dmj726_devel, maybe lizardo might help you Jul 19 16:05:18 ok Jul 19 16:05:43 ping jacekowski: Jul 19 16:06:53 jacekowski: how did solve this issue make: *** [out/Release/obj.target/geni/snapshot.cc] Error 126 Jul 19 16:08:28 what are you trying to achieve? Jul 19 16:08:36 and it's all published Jul 19 16:08:38 building chrome Jul 19 16:09:08 on maemo Jul 19 16:09:23 there is already one build done Jul 19 16:09:31 why are you doing it again Jul 19 16:09:45 instead of just porting my patches to new version Jul 19 16:09:47 or something Jul 19 16:09:47 i need support for pepper plugin Jul 19 16:10:03 where r the patches Jul 19 16:10:50 it's not going to work anyways Jul 19 16:11:00 why? Jul 19 16:11:04 it depends on features that had some problems on ARM Jul 19 16:11:08 and i just disabled them Jul 19 16:11:18 wat were they.. Jul 19 16:11:26 most of JITs are gone Jul 19 16:11:34 did u have documented it Jul 19 16:11:42 it's all in my svn repo Jul 19 16:11:49 link? Jul 19 16:11:58 google.co.uk Jul 19 16:12:19 is that the svn link> Jul 19 16:12:22 ;) Jul 19 16:13:02 got it Jul 19 16:13:48 jacekowski: didnt see any patches around Jul 19 16:15:43 that's because it's svn repository Jul 19 16:15:50 you have to ask it to give you patches Jul 19 16:20:22 madhav: besides, what sort of machine do you have? Jul 19 16:20:48 jacekowski: n900 and build machine is ubuntu Jul 19 16:20:56 i mean CPU Jul 19 16:21:07 cortexa8 Jul 19 16:21:11 on ubuntu Jul 19 16:21:17 intel Jul 19 16:21:21 speed Jul 19 16:21:23 make and model Jul 19 16:21:28 numbers Jul 19 16:21:42 intel quad core 2ghz Jul 19 16:22:00 yeah, that might build it in under 2h Jul 19 16:22:13 it builds within 45min Jul 19 16:22:22 im using gold linked Jul 19 16:22:28 its pretty fast Jul 19 16:22:42 well, my machine builds it in under 20 minutes Jul 19 16:23:06 jacekowski: ;) looks to be a super server Jul 19 16:23:16 my n900 builds it in 10mins Jul 19 16:23:26 model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3360 @ 2.83GHz Jul 19 16:23:27 jacekowski's mom builds it in 5 Jul 19 16:23:30 4 cores Jul 19 16:23:46 and 8 gigs of ram Jul 19 16:23:46 thats a good syste, Jul 19 16:52:57 should i buy 3 or 4 mugen batteries? Jul 19 16:53:55 8! Jul 19 16:54:18 none. Jul 19 17:00:51 oh man, I had forgotten how nice the N810 speakers sound Jul 19 17:07:17 ~seen X-Fade Jul 19 17:07:20 x-fade is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 35 messages. Is idling for 7h 23m 5s, last said: 'lcuk: pong'. Jul 19 17:12:47 Why would I receive W: GPG error: http:/blabla/bla blabla/bla Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' when I run apt-get update? Jul 19 17:13:48 wtf? xchat switches tab on volup/voldwn? Jul 19 17:13:51 since when? Jul 19 17:16:45 Does anyone know what package contains the contacts application? Jul 19 17:18:45 kerio, last year or so. Jul 19 17:19:02 how do i enable volume keys on xchat? Jul 19 17:19:02 i mean, for the *volume* Jul 19 17:21:48 kerio, dunno how it's implemented (plugin or app) Jul 19 17:22:01 Camkeyd or something then use the volume keys? Jul 19 17:22:15 yeah, like the browser... Jul 19 17:22:36 but i actually have ctrl+pgup/down working here, so i don't exactly need it Jul 19 17:23:46 does unbinding 'f7/f8' in the uI do anything/ Jul 19 17:24:21 i did, nothing Jul 19 17:24:32 hold on i'll restart xchat Jul 19 17:24:53 I wonder if unbinding in the UI not releasing the keys is a bug Jul 19 17:25:07 nope, still doesn't work Jul 19 17:25:19 i bet it's related to that maemo plugin Jul 19 17:26:06 how do i disable a plugin? Jul 19 17:26:28 dunn Jul 19 17:26:30 o Jul 19 17:34:18 is there a better/replacement program for the built in messages application Jul 19 17:34:25 kerio: xchat - settings - key bindings. think it's F7/8 or somesuch. Just unbind them I guess Jul 19 17:35:00 ooh, sorry for lag Jul 19 17:36:33 SpeedEvil: wasn't that you who did research with (shift-)F7/8? Jul 19 17:37:14 I guess xchat still segfaults on shift-F7, don't like to test now Jul 19 17:37:22 Is there a way to turn off sim card/phone functionaly other than just offline mode? Jul 19 17:37:49 Sometime I'd like to have phone functionality turned off while still use WLAN. Jul 19 17:38:05 unplug sim? switch off phone? what is it you want to do? Jul 19 17:38:19 zucca turn on phone and don't put in pin Jul 19 17:38:38 there's tablet mode button app for that Jul 19 17:41:06 DocScrutinizer51: It allows me to do that what I can archieve by not entering pin at startup without rebooting? Jul 19 17:42:05 so my N900 is hanging with the LED green solid... any ideas? :| Jul 19 17:42:20 its fully charged? Jul 19 17:42:26 :/ Jul 19 17:42:35 yes Jul 19 17:43:11 luke-jr: maybe it's acting_dead? Jul 19 17:43:17 ? Jul 19 17:43:29 it was about 600 MB swapped Jul 19 17:43:38 luke-jr: Tried to reboot already? Jul 19 17:43:44 Zucca: just pulled the battery Jul 19 17:44:13 luke-jr: it didn't react to power button? Jul 19 17:44:20 DocScrutinizer51: tbh, I didn't try Jul 19 17:44:29 tzzz Jul 19 17:44:29 luke-jr: Ah. So you meant that nothing else was happening but led was lit green? Jul 19 17:44:31 ps uax hung though Jul 19 17:44:37 Zucca: yes Jul 19 17:44:48 actually, my active sshd did echo Jul 19 17:44:49 but nothing else Jul 19 17:44:59 a new ssh got a TCP connect, but no data Jul 19 17:45:07 (I gave it hours) Jul 19 17:45:13 luke-jr: insert battery, plug in charger ->same thing: grenn and doesn't do anything Jul 19 17:45:29 ooh Jul 19 17:45:32 DocScrutinizer51: it was running last I checked :) Jul 19 17:45:47 ssh of course won't work on acting_dead Jul 19 17:47:19 kernel oops Jul 19 17:48:12 check mtd with dmesg/oops-dump Jul 19 17:48:19 whatever it's called Jul 19 17:50:21 can't find anything liket hat Jul 19 18:00:08 DocScrutinizer51: Thanks for the tip btw. Celcullar Modem Control Buttons package was just exactly what I was looking for. :) Jul 19 18:02:47 yw Jul 19 18:07:33 luke-jr: mompls Jul 19 18:08:38 luke-jr: Nokia-N900-02-8:~# cat /proc/mtd mtd2: 00040000 00020000 "log" Jul 19 18:08:46 docs; no Jul 19 18:09:40 Nokia-N900-02-8:~# less -f /dev/mtd2 Jul 19 18:09:52 SpeedEvil: no? Jul 19 18:10:43 SpeedEvil: if it's been a kernel oops/panic, then it should show up there, no? Jul 19 18:11:06 Sorry Jul 19 18:11:09 contextfail Jul 19 18:11:18 I was meaning I have done nothing about f7/f8 Jul 19 18:11:29 i did do some playing with xchat maps - but that is solely userside Jul 19 18:14:36 k, I'll give shift-F8 a try now :-P Jul 19 18:14:52 and booom Jul 19 18:18:06 I fail to believe it's anything beyond just keybinding in xchat settings Jul 19 18:20:54 well, xchat has to set a window property to tell the system not to intercept the volume keys Jul 19 18:22:53 yes, and changng kbd shorcuts F7/8 for page up/down from plain F7/8 to ctrl-F7/8 in xchat-settings-advanced-keybordShortcuts, then restarting xchat -> et voila: volume works during xchat. So what, gnetlemen? Jul 19 18:23:59 now how hard was it to check out THIS? o.O Jul 19 18:26:41 mganyway thanks for explaining clearly why it needs an xchat restart to make volume keys work, after changing xchat settings Jul 19 18:27:59 nevertheless you ewant to restart xchat anyway, after doing such config change, as xchat saves config files on gracefull shutdown only. If you forget this, your changes will be lost after forced shutdown of either xchat or whole engine Jul 19 18:30:29 kerio: ^^^ see above for xchat & volume keys Jul 19 18:34:29 LOL!! ctrl-VolUp is bound to show/hide userlist now, on my xchat Jul 19 18:34:44 ctrl-volDown works like expected Jul 19 18:35:32 mhm, menu is pretty clear about it: "User List Ctrl-F7" Jul 19 18:36:09 hi everyone any one knows how i can install some libraries which i need to install other package Jul 19 18:36:49 how about `apt-get install ` ? Jul 19 18:38:19 maybe do a `apt-cache search ` prior to that, to find correct name Jul 19 18:39:38 DocScrutinizer: hmm... volume keys here still don't work, i deleted the keybindings Jul 19 18:39:43 but usually you shouldn't need to deal with dependecies by yourself. Acorrect package should draw all depends aiui Jul 19 18:39:48 hi lizardo Jul 19 18:40:14 kerio: too bad. I just ticked the 'ctrl' modofier Jul 19 18:40:38 maybe deleting them doesn't really work as expected? Jul 19 18:40:47 now i can't even add it back because f7/f8 doesn't work Jul 19 18:40:52 dunno lol Jul 19 18:41:57 dmj726_devel: hi Jul 19 18:42:24 lizardo: I've been trying to port pygoocanvas and running into problems making the package for it. Jul 19 18:42:41 dmj726_devel: which kind of problems? Jul 19 18:42:41 jrocha suggested you might be able to help Jul 19 18:43:10 dmj726_devel: can we move the discussion to #pymaemo ? Jul 19 18:44:07 kerio: http://paste.debian.net/80923/ HTH Jul 19 18:44:32 lizardo: sure, just sent you something on #pymaemo Jul 19 18:45:29 ~wtf hth Jul 19 18:45:30 HTH: hope this helps Jul 19 18:45:37 it probably does Jul 19 18:45:41 DocScrutinizer: ty Jul 19 18:45:47 yw Jul 19 18:46:02 ~wtf wtf Jul 19 18:46:03 WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck Jul 19 18:46:04 checkout the 'C' first line of F7/8 Jul 19 18:46:51 ~lick kerio Jul 19 18:46:52 * infobot licks kerio *SHLUUURRRRPPP* Jul 19 18:48:09 -.- Jul 19 18:50:44 darn Jul 19 18:50:48 None Jul 19 18:50:49 F9 Jul 19 18:50:51 Run Command Jul 19 18:50:52 D1:/GUI MENU TOGGLE Jul 19 18:50:54 D2! Jul 19 18:50:59 gives me ideas Jul 19 18:51:12 loooots of ideas Jul 19 18:51:34 /notify_mode being just one of them Jul 19 18:51:48 ShadowJK: ^^ Jul 19 18:52:01 hey can someone explain how the rootfs works? Jul 19 18:52:16 it roots and it systems Jul 19 18:52:32 oh ok thanks Jul 19 18:52:38 yw Jul 19 18:52:44 .... Jul 19 18:52:46 why I can't see an icon in this page: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/lastgo/0.2.1-3/ ? Application icon is correctly shown in Application Manager and N900 menu.... Jul 19 18:53:17 the quality of the answer rarely is higher than the quality of the related question Jul 19 18:53:39 or simply Jul 19 18:53:42 ~question Jul 19 18:53:44 it has been said that question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Jul 19 18:54:39 how about u guys not be a holes... is there an article for that? Jul 19 18:54:57 DocScrutinizer: funny Jul 19 18:54:58 i meant - is there a physical button that maps to F9 on the n900? Jul 19 18:55:18 kerio: nope Jul 19 18:55:37 but we learnt there's buttons like ctrl-F8 ;-) Jul 19 18:56:27 or even a simple ctrl-N Jul 19 18:56:50 like "NoNoNoNotificationBlieBlinking!" Jul 19 18:57:18 DocScrutinizer: are you sure your volume keys work after changing the keybindings? Jul 19 18:57:31 yes Jul 19 18:57:40 they only work the first time here Jul 19 18:57:55 at least the notifier bar thingie made me *believe* Jul 19 18:58:07 Dongle: quick search for "rootfs maemo" yields: http://wiki.maemo.org/Rootfs Jul 19 18:58:38 mmmk, don't work now here as well Jul 19 18:59:00 now that's kinda funny Jul 19 18:59:22 I still hear keyclicks, and they do nothing in xchat Jul 19 18:59:55 DocScrutinizer: you lied to me! Jul 19 19:00:02 you didn't have a workaround! Jul 19 19:00:06 no, I didn't Jul 19 19:00:07 * kerio cries Jul 19 19:00:15 Heh Jul 19 19:00:23 I just said I seen them work Jul 19 19:00:38 I didn't say I've seen them work multiple times Jul 19 19:01:42 weird!!! now they don't work at all, after xchat restart Jul 19 19:02:13 i might as well just use them Jul 19 19:02:28 hey all Jul 19 19:02:33 damn I've seen those buggers work Jul 19 19:02:38 FSCK Jul 19 19:02:44 is anyone here familiar with the sixad package? Jul 19 19:03:05 * DocScrutinizer wonders who's latching up brokenness of volume sliders in xchat :-o Jul 19 19:03:08 Not me, What is it? Jul 19 19:03:28 * DocScrutinizer reboots Jul 19 19:03:40 hno: it's a daemon for connecting ps3 controllers :) Jul 19 19:04:02 Ah, that. Sorry, have no ps3 controllers here.. Jul 19 19:04:38 I'm actually an android guy, and was wanting to learn more about that daemon for a possible port, cuz it's the last step for me having a ps3 controller on android Jul 19 19:05:21 itmustbejj__: blasphemer! Jul 19 19:05:29 Not sure you can do it on Android Jul 19 19:05:40 why not? :o Jul 19 19:05:43 well android supports udev, so that's a start Jul 19 19:05:56 Hmm.. what was the scratchbox start command again? Jul 19 19:06:04 I thought PS3 controllers were bluetooth Jul 19 19:06:13 they are, alterego Jul 19 19:06:14 found.. Jul 19 19:06:28 I'm running a rom with full bluetooth hid support Jul 19 19:06:41 wtf is a rom Jul 19 19:06:43 so it should be possible Jul 19 19:06:51 lol Jul 19 19:06:53 they require being plugged in to pair though Jul 19 19:07:16 itmustbejj_If you can port the sixaxis handling stuff to a c library (may already be of that f form) you can probably build it for android, then you'll need to write an app in java to start/stop the daemon I'm guessing Jul 19 19:07:39 itmustbejj__: It's not a HID device iirc. Jul 19 19:07:47 kerio: now THAT *IS* a bug. It works exactly one keyclick either vol-up or down, after reboot Jul 19 19:07:48 well it is and it isn't Jul 19 19:08:01 hno: it doesn't support traditional bluetooth pairing Jul 19 19:08:03 how can i manually focus the camera? Jul 19 19:08:22 (on the n900) Jul 19 19:08:23 after reboot? Jul 19 19:08:27 of xchat? Jul 19 19:08:30 BCMM: lfocus Jul 19 19:08:33 BCMM: lfocus Jul 19 19:08:40 DocScrutinizer: zing Jul 19 19:08:46 kerio: reboot of maemo Jul 19 19:08:48 on any other platform: linux desktop, maemo, winmo that have implementations you have to hook it up to a desktop/laptop and set it to the bluetooth mac addy of the phone Jul 19 19:08:59 DocScrutinizer: zing Jul 19 19:09:03 er Jul 19 19:09:09 DocScrutinizer: huh Jul 19 19:09:19 they work after a restart of xchat here Jul 19 19:09:20 once Jul 19 19:09:21 yeah, HUH?! Jul 19 19:09:31 alterego: maemo.org says sixad is triggered by udev Jul 19 19:09:36 and they still work on other applications Jul 19 19:10:19 kerio: you're right. But wasn't like this before I rebooted Jul 19 19:10:30 what does shift+space do? Jul 19 19:10:38 just space? Jul 19 19:10:43 here it expands nicks Jul 19 19:10:50 oh Jul 19 19:10:51 cool Jul 19 19:10:53 in xchat Jul 19 19:11:13 another thing that's completely replaced by my kbd remap Jul 19 19:11:14 also, what is the closest you can focus the camera? Jul 19 19:11:25 i have tab on fn+bksp Jul 19 19:11:39 BCMM: ~10cm iirc Jul 19 19:12:23 if you listen to the youtube comments it can focus at 2mm Jul 19 19:12:29 itmustbejj__: well, grab the sourcec and have a look :P Jul 19 19:12:29 kerio: sounds lovely Jul 19 19:12:44 lcukn900: muhaha Jul 19 19:12:51 it's epic Jul 19 19:13:02 esc is on shift+fn+bksp Jul 19 19:13:05 no it does that with the proximity sensor in reverse gear Jul 19 19:13:25 although i guess that reversed tab is important Jul 19 19:13:26 alterego: do you know where I might look to find it? All I've found so far are .installer packages Jul 19 19:13:27 anybody had success using the ir for a remote? Jul 19 19:13:43 i could put esc on... shift+space? Jul 19 19:14:19 I'd love to have esc on sym-bs aka ctrl-ctrl-bs Jul 19 19:14:40 you can map sym? Jul 19 19:14:45 it's such a waste to have no special hw key meanings/mapping in sym mode Jul 19 19:14:53 alas you can't Jul 19 19:15:36 at least I wouldn't know of a way to do, without massive driver tweaks Jul 19 19:15:52 alterego: nm found it Jul 19 19:16:21 how does russian do, with 8 chars on each button? Jul 19 19:16:32 no idea Jul 19 19:16:42 they drink vodka Jul 19 19:16:43 ask the Russioans here in this chan Jul 19 19:16:51 i was thinking of *more* remaps Jul 19 19:17:02 RST38h: ^^^^? Jul 19 19:17:43 iirc Russian is the only double keymap switchable with ctrl-space that actually works Jul 19 19:17:47 hmm... i bet fn+return isn't mapped Jul 19 19:17:55 ooh Jul 19 19:18:01 two keymaps Jul 19 19:18:03 awesome Jul 19 19:18:12 i could use that Jul 19 19:18:33 screw this, i'm using an external keyboard Jul 19 19:18:38 kerio: then FIX IT! :-P Jul 19 19:18:53 i bet it's related to the dumn UI Jul 19 19:18:56 dumb Jul 19 19:19:15 nah, i'd just move my keymaps to russian Jul 19 19:19:23 there are a lot of people who'd like to have two arbitrary maybe even proprietary keymaps, switchable by ctrl-space Jul 19 19:19:34 itmustbejj__: git://github.com/smokku/sixaxis-support.git Jul 19 19:19:55 DocScrutinizer: move everything to russian, set russian kbd Jul 19 19:20:25 kerio: I don't care if I have to set that stinky settings-gui-setting to "Russian kbd" as long as it in reality does what *I* want Jul 19 19:20:35 kerio: :D hehe Jul 19 19:20:57 see how slow my typing, I started before your last line Jul 19 19:21:14 it's not hard Jul 19 19:21:14 i'll probably do it Jul 19 19:21:14 although... Jul 19 19:21:30 fn+return for escape, add some more symbols... Jul 19 19:21:42 i think i can get away with just one Jul 19 19:21:42 BS HELL goddamn die fsck! xchat crap!! Jul 19 19:21:58 why do u need to remap? Jul 19 19:21:58 lol Jul 19 19:22:09 uh, so ctrl+enter is actually the thing that enables 2-charset-thing... Jul 19 19:22:10 Dongle: more symbols Jul 19 19:22:13 /nitify_mode -L seems isn't persistent Jul 19 19:22:18 that was useful information Jul 19 19:22:23 what do u need symbols for? Jul 19 19:22:39 Dongle: write symbols Jul 19 19:23:01 it's a device for unix nerds with no | button Jul 19 19:23:02 crtl-enter afaik is the thing that switches to fullscreen in xterm, xchat... Jul 19 19:23:11 i see Jul 19 19:23:23 :| Jul 19 19:23:31 plus, the sym vk sucks Jul 19 19:23:41 donkey balls Jul 19 19:23:51 how do u target ppl to talk to them directly in xchat? Jul 19 19:24:06 first few letters then tab Jul 19 19:24:24 ok thanks Jul 19 19:24:46 i dont have a tab Jul 19 19:24:49 Dongle: exactly Jul 19 19:24:53 so you see Jul 19 19:25:06 whats tab on the n900 Jul 19 19:25:32 uhm Jul 19 19:25:38 shift+space works in xchat Jul 19 19:25:48 ctrl i Jul 19 19:25:58 but, tab doesn't exists in the layout per default Jul 19 19:26:14 hno: thanks Jul 19 19:26:29 ctrrl-i is just an xterm keymapping Jul 19 19:27:36 xchat won't take ctrl-i as tab Jul 19 19:28:20 my awesome remapping 1 - nokia 0 Jul 19 19:30:23 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders where's the xmodmap-GUI. There should be such thing, really Jul 19 19:35:52 * FredrIQ remapped Q to tab once before Jul 19 19:36:19 (q isn't used at all in my locale) Jul 19 19:36:35 lol Jul 19 19:37:01 except in some names Jul 19 19:37:05 what a weird locale is that, and do you never ask @estions on IRC? Jul 19 19:37:12 i do Jul 19 19:37:19 fn+c->q Jul 19 19:37:22 :) Jul 19 19:37:29 k Jul 19 19:37:33 fair enough Jul 19 19:37:34 Q exists, but only in the alphabet Jul 19 19:37:37 swe Jul 19 19:37:43 I c Jul 19 19:37:50 I remapped to tab Jul 19 19:38:25 I dreamt of a keymap-WYSIWYG editor Jul 19 19:38:39 do one! Jul 19 19:38:43 DocScrutinizer: Feature req? :P Jul 19 19:39:01 so everybody would just *shrug* on statements like these, and point you to the editor Jul 19 19:39:10 heh Jul 19 19:39:22 btw, doesn't tilde work? Jul 19 19:39:33 or is it just fn+smth that make tilde fail? Jul 19 19:39:47 i use asciitilde atm, but dead tilde would be awesome Jul 19 19:39:55 `` <-- wfm FredrIQ Jul 19 19:39:56 just like "I made my alive notifier LED blink blue-red, twice a second" Jul 19 19:40:09 so what, use notification LED editor app Jul 19 19:40:15 ~ = Fn+z Jul 19 19:42:43 then we could resort to more exciting topics here, like creating a rainbow indicator, or mapping ctrl-ctrl-bs to esc Jul 19 19:42:56 DocScrutinizer: write one Jul 19 19:43:26 why me??? I'm the system architect and consultant and hw EE duse. Not the coder monkey ;-P Jul 19 19:44:03 still consider doing a lil python fancy. kbd mapper ditor looks simple enough to get it right in one day Jul 19 19:44:06 * FredrIQ cannot code in any not-fail language except PHP - that would not really help now Jul 19 19:44:29 * sp3000 giggles a not-fail vs php Jul 19 19:44:32 at, too Jul 19 19:45:15 meh, PHP is still waay better than mIRC-scripting Jul 19 19:45:24 konttori: Ping Jul 19 19:45:30 pong Jul 19 19:45:33 DocScrutinizer: you have 37 keys to map Jul 19 19:45:33 go Jul 19 19:45:34 just for sentimental old times when I actually was the coder monkey as well Jul 19 19:45:34 heh Jul 19 19:45:44 I'll admit I haven't experienced the latter Jul 19 19:46:02 kerio: I actually give a shit how many keys. I have to code exactly one class Jul 19 19:46:06 konttori: Any idea when Theme Maker will be updated to 1.2? Havn't seen a release yet and was thinking of releasing some themes on Ovi Jul 19 19:46:22 maybe two, a second one for the qualifier keys Jul 19 19:46:48 hmm... I could do it now. What was your email? I could send it to you for pre-test. Jul 19 19:46:48 DocScrutinizer: i know Jul 19 19:46:48 i was just saying Jul 19 19:47:06 37... Jul 19 19:47:09 konttori: How about NuvoFre? Will it become finished some day? :) Jul 19 19:47:21 DrGrov: I updated a version just yesterday Jul 19 19:47:31 it is 38 Jul 19 19:47:39 41 Jul 19 19:47:40 minus volkeys, pwr, camera Jul 19 19:47:41 :-P Jul 19 19:47:47 DrGrov: did you have issues with it, or why did you ask? Jul 19 19:47:50 or even 42 Jul 19 19:47:58 what a coincidence Jul 19 19:48:03 can't remap pwr or camkey Jul 19 19:48:04 konttori: I just waited to see whether it will be a finished theme or will it continue to develop?' Jul 19 19:48:25 kerio: that's what I meant Jul 19 19:48:42 ok, 40 then Jul 19 19:48:48 lock slider Jul 19 19:48:51 hm, does the slider count as a buttom? Jul 19 19:48:51 is a key Jul 19 19:48:55 ah Jul 19 19:48:58 konttori: andrewfblack@gmail.com Jul 19 19:49:35 plus I think even slide and lens cover are keys :-P So 44 Jul 19 19:49:46 err 43 Jul 19 19:50:04 "slide" Jul 19 19:50:10 what slide Jul 19 19:50:15 kbd slide Jul 19 19:50:20 ah Jul 19 19:50:21 lol Jul 19 19:50:33 let's remap it Jul 19 19:50:41 nokia programs will be happy Jul 19 19:50:45 let's make it Q Jul 19 19:50:49 and you can't even remap shift/fn/ctrl Jul 19 19:50:50 at least, i think Jul 19 19:50:50 DocScrutinizer: you can't remap those Jul 19 19:50:50 and the camkey is *two* keys Jul 19 19:50:50 let's remap the whole touchscreen Jul 19 19:51:10 make a shuffler! Jul 19 19:51:19 that remaps the touchscreen to randomly Jul 19 19:51:33 very useful indeed Jul 19 19:51:46 kerio: I can't remap sh/Fn/ctrl but nevertheless I have to deal with them Jul 19 19:52:14 hm Jul 19 19:52:28 having 2 keysets available Jul 19 19:53:17 DocScrutinizer: you don't Jul 19 19:53:17 you deal with up to 4 levels for each key Jul 19 19:53:36 up to 8! Jul 19 19:53:41 : < Jul 19 19:53:51 er Jul 19 19:53:57 yeah, fac 8 of course Jul 19 19:54:29 well, for the russian layout Jul 19 19:54:37 well Jul 19 19:54:42 it's just a setting Jul 19 19:54:44 it seem Jul 19 19:54:54 couldn't be that hard to make for other layouts Jul 19 19:55:06 the ui is dumb though Jul 19 19:55:09 kerio: in WYSIWYG editor I deal with 35 normal keys plus three qualifier keys that can be checked/unchecked Jul 19 19:55:55 plus maybe two layers, one for orininal and one for alternate keymap Jul 19 19:55:59 with other layouts, you switch dictionaries Jul 19 19:56:03 (aka ctrl-space) Jul 19 19:56:25 yes, dicts and keymaps are synced Jul 19 19:56:25 DocScrutinizer: *two* qualifiers Jul 19 19:56:34 ctrl is not a qualifier Jul 19 19:56:36 why not 3 ?? Jul 19 19:56:39 it's a mute Jul 19 19:56:41 sure it is Jul 19 19:56:47 errr Jul 19 19:57:00 kerio, it's just a line that differs russian from other, except the chars Jul 19 19:57:04 ctrl+n is not a character Jul 19 19:57:14 that turn on 2x-charset Jul 19 19:57:36 as long as you accept ctrl as the original qualifier meaning Jul 19 19:58:16 what? Jul 19 19:58:38 dunno how keymaps work exactly, had to look into them. But in theory you can assign "hello world!" to ctrl-shift-enter Jul 19 19:59:10 so ctrl clearly is a qualifier Jul 19 19:59:26 huh Jul 19 19:59:32 see ctrl-shift-P for printscreen Jul 19 19:59:43 you can't set that in a keymap Jul 19 20:00:06 maybe not in a keymap, that's why [2010-07-19 21:58:38] dunno how keymaps work exactly, had to look into them. Jul 19 20:02:20 a generic keymapper utility would work with raw key-down/up codes and allow arbitrary 2-key mappings and (due to hw limitations) a selected number of 3-key mappings Jul 19 20:04:30 and the best of those mapper utilities I've seen or built myself in the past, had even things like shift-altGR-scrollLock=start/stop macro recording, where on end of macro recording you'd assig the macro to next key-combo you press Jul 19 20:05:35 lame and boring Jul 19 20:05:39 now for N900 we obviously should select better keys than scrollLock or altGr Jul 19 20:06:12 DocScrutinizer: that's xmodmap Jul 19 20:06:47 or whatever Jul 19 20:06:47 but it's an external program Jul 19 20:10:34 kerio: man xmodmap didn't tell me how to record macros Jul 19 20:11:14 that's where you kick in Jul 19 20:11:29 now for N900 we obviously should select better keys than scrollLock or altGr Jul 19 20:11:35 Fn actually is alt+gr Jul 19 20:12:02 yep, seems you got a point there Jul 19 20:13:05 that's where you kick in Jul 19 20:13:38 gaah Jul 19 20:13:38 stupid n900 Jul 19 20:13:38 you could also ignore the issue Jul 19 20:13:38 nobody needs macros Jul 19 20:13:40 on a totally unrelated sidenode, CA-146C dongle can be used to charge N900 with input voltages as low as 3V Jul 19 20:14:02 what dongle? Jul 19 20:14:25 kerio: exactly, but everybody wants a nice WYSIWYG editor for keymaps Jul 19 20:14:40 not with macros! Jul 19 20:14:52 you want to edit the keymap file Jul 19 20:14:53 lol, mentioning CA-146C made DrGrov go offline?? Jul 19 20:15:31 kerio: I didn't say the m-word in conjunction with WYSIWYG editor Jul 19 20:16:24 though afaik you actually can assign multi-'char' sequences to keys, in keymaps Jul 19 20:17:09 kerio: in fact Fx keys are multi-char Jul 19 20:17:24 something like ~[4 Jul 19 20:17:58 but wait, that's probably xmodmap again Jul 19 20:18:31 so, cooked key input, not raw keycodes Jul 19 20:18:45 damn that keybord stuff is confusing Jul 19 20:19:08 Hi everyone, on diable, how can I get a way to run a command as root, easily (without xterm) like with an icon. personal launcher says "rootsh is a security risk blabla.." Jul 19 20:19:48 sudo Jul 19 20:20:18 and adapt /etc/sudoers so the command is allowed without password query Jul 19 20:21:01 ah so that works. and in personal launcher I call "sudo cmd" ? ok I thought sudo did not work. Jul 19 20:21:09 DocScrutinizer: thanks Jul 19 20:21:14 yw Jul 19 20:21:41 hope it actually works Jul 19 20:21:43 :-) Jul 19 20:22:59 is there a meego room? Jul 19 20:23:02 I'm leaving for a business trip for a month and my girlfriend has no clue about xterm. the n800 is used as a samba client to play the music which is hosted on a PC Jul 19 20:23:06 sudo should work, as sudo gainroot is supposed to work Jul 19 20:23:45 parim: #meego Jul 19 20:23:58 how do you install whois? Jul 19 20:24:03 and in fact installing rootsh does simply add a line to /etc/sudoers Jul 19 20:24:40 afaik Jul 19 20:25:28 user_: apt-get install whois? Jul 19 20:25:48 doesnt find it Jul 19 20:25:58 then probably it's not there Jul 19 20:26:02 didnt root replace rootsh Jul 19 20:26:32 what would be fookin cool is xcalib on maemo Jul 19 20:26:34 root is the command supposed to replace the rotsh command coming with package rootsh Jul 19 20:26:38 hum nice I already have a line "user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" I wonder how this arrived here Jul 19 20:26:51 lol Jul 19 20:26:53 how can i get rid of OOo in the debian img? what files to remove? Jul 19 20:27:27 (as it isn't installed as a package that can just be removed) Jul 19 20:27:32 but who cares about the security of a device like this. I'm sure it's full of security holes Jul 19 20:27:38 frikinz: don't forget to check / update your SElinux settings ;-P Jul 19 20:28:07 frikinz: actually it shouldn't Jul 19 20:28:27 but yeah, this is a bit.. err, odd Jul 19 20:28:44 so no whois on maemo? Jul 19 20:29:14 if you really care, you install ssh server/client metapkg and remove rootsh :-) Jul 19 20:29:39 maemo is full of security holes Jul 19 20:29:50 to me DocScrutinizer? Jul 19 20:29:54 The following NEW packages will be installed: Jul 19 20:29:55 libidn11 whois Jul 19 20:30:02 whois seems to exists yea Jul 19 20:30:07 jacekowski: no, OpenEmbedded is realy full of security holes Jul 19 20:30:08 playing with fragrouter against the n800 was quite funny. after 10 seconds, the tcp/ip stack was _dead_ Jul 19 20:30:14 not sure what ssh has to do with whois Jul 19 20:30:23 DocScrutinizer: well, remote code execution is bad enough Jul 19 20:30:27 DocScrutinizer: on maemo Jul 19 20:30:32 Managed to compile and flash a kernel. That's phase one ... Jul 19 20:31:06 FredrIQ: how do i install it? Jul 19 20:31:24 what is the max total capacity of an EDGE base station when multiple users use it? Jul 19 20:31:28 sudo apt-get install whois Jul 19 20:31:29 Are there any reasons to not use my "custom" kernel over the one in the fiasco? Jul 19 20:31:35 Funnyface: depends Jul 19 20:31:38 I know that it's 230kbit or so per user, but what's the total capacity Jul 19 20:31:45 Funnyface: 8 users on one frequency Jul 19 20:31:47 Or should they operate identically with rx51 defconfig? Jul 19 20:31:53 says no suck pkg FredrIQ Jul 19 20:32:01 such* Jul 19 20:32:05 hmm Jul 19 20:32:10 maybe it's in devel Jul 19 20:32:25 Funnyface: no simple answer Jul 19 20:32:25 Funnyface: but one basestation operates on multiple frequencies Jul 19 20:32:27 ohhh Jul 19 20:32:38 Funnyface: but number of frequencies is undefined Jul 19 20:32:39 hmm oki, because I notice that I get a stable 22k/s on EDGE when I am in any area with good UMTS/HSDPA coverage, but as soon as I get into rural areas where only EDGE is available, it gets really bad Jul 19 20:32:50 how to quickly enable/disable devel from cmdline? Jul 19 20:32:54 as in even patient people like me get impatient :P Jul 19 20:33:08 alterego: you need matching modules Jul 19 20:33:20 dunno, always have it activated (NO, don't complain, i know what i risk, and i know what i must do if something fail) Jul 19 20:33:29 Funnyface: these transmitters ussualy have only radio uplink Jul 19 20:33:43 hmm Jul 19 20:33:54 DocScrutinizer: oh, but everything seems to be working? Jul 19 20:34:08 Funnyface: 3g requires little bit more than just slow radio uplink Jul 19 20:34:12 alterego: lucky you Jul 19 20:34:42 lol never used irssi on here before Jul 19 20:34:45 pretty leet Jul 19 20:34:46 Heh, I would have thought same kernel source? and gcc version would be good enough ... Jul 19 20:34:48 yeah I know, it's just a little annoying that EDGE works fine where it is not needed, and doesn't work any well at all where it is needed the most Jul 19 20:34:52 irssi is nice Jul 19 20:34:59 alterego: try a modprobe to some arbitrary shit that usually should succeed Jul 19 20:35:01 Cool it works. Thanks DocScrutinizer for reminding me sudo and for secretly changing my sudoers file Jul 19 20:35:07 :) Jul 19 20:35:15 Prefer xchat, it's nice to have an UI, but i like irssi Jul 19 20:35:16 lol Jul 19 20:35:38 alterego: kernel does a lot of sanity checks before loading module Jul 19 20:35:44 frikinz: we do everything to keep you happy Jul 19 20:35:47 alterego: and you probably ended up with tainted kernel now Jul 19 20:36:00 for example, in this village I was in 2 weeks ago, I got an unstable ~7k/s, where it kept randomly cutting off all transmissions for 30 secs or so, with 3 signal strength bars :P Jul 19 20:36:24 voice has priority over data Jul 19 20:36:36 are there some people still using xmms on n800 or 770? Jul 19 20:36:57 Funnyface: that's related Jul 19 20:37:08 xmms!? Jul 19 20:37:09 cool Jul 19 20:37:21 indeed, I just wish it would allow less slots instead of dropping me completely Jul 19 20:37:35 you always get one slot Jul 19 20:37:39 I mean, instead of having 7k/s on and off half of the time, I'd rather have a stable 3.5k/s :P Jul 19 20:37:43 DocScrutinizer, jacekowski managed to load and unload usbtest. The kernel config is untouched, I'm using rx51_defconfig .. Jul 19 20:38:01 Funnyface: it's uplink that was too slow probably Jul 19 20:38:37 alterego: probably as long as you don't change kernel version, the version magic will be happy Jul 19 20:38:56 That's what I was thinking ... Jul 19 20:38:57 alterego: and ABI shouln't change Jul 19 20:39:09 there are things that change it Jul 19 20:39:19 oh well I think I will sign up with this 450MHz CDMA provider Jul 19 20:39:26 just too bad the SIM card won't work in our N900s Jul 19 20:39:32 Probably bad form if I plan on modifying usb sources... Jul 19 20:39:34 but they offer wifi modems :P Jul 19 20:39:51 the SIM card will, just the N900 modem won't work on 450MHz Jul 19 20:39:54 alterego: what are you trying to break? Jul 19 20:40:09 jacekowski: I fancied poking with host mode. Jul 19 20:40:20 well, it's working now Jul 19 20:40:23 I've got a little kernel dev experience. Jul 19 20:40:24 alterego: musb_core is monolitic Jul 19 20:40:25 so what are you breaking? Jul 19 20:40:29 the gps seems to be the most lacking Jul 19 20:40:32 compiled in Jul 19 20:40:39 on the N900 Jul 19 20:40:51 DocScrutinizer: good point Jul 19 20:40:53 DocScrutinizer: you can always force driver to release device Jul 19 20:40:55 it lags behind everyone elses it seems Jul 19 20:41:03 I can carry this box around in my pocket, along with my N900.. :P http://images.gfx.no/699/699114/ice-251x216.jpg Jul 19 20:41:08 jacekowski: even compiled-in ones? Jul 19 20:41:11 yes Jul 19 20:41:14 DocScrutinizer: I just don't want to f*ck my device ;) Jul 19 20:41:32 alterego: you will, nevertheless Jul 19 20:41:37 eventually you will Jul 19 20:41:49 these driver still have everything required to support module loading/unloading Jul 19 20:41:57 prapre for reflashing, anytime Jul 19 20:42:02 jacekowski: that's not what I heard, I thought there were only a select fews that managed to get it working. Jul 19 20:42:03 so you can trigger module unload function in it Jul 19 20:42:18 which would cause it to release device Jul 19 20:42:28 and your new driver could tak over from there Jul 19 20:42:43 or you could end up with kernel panic Jul 19 20:42:44 heard "echo moofoo >/sys/moofoo/unload" Jul 19 20:42:47 DocScrutinizer: well, as long as I don't use my user data I don't mind reflashing. I also backup weekly so :) Jul 19 20:42:56 how close are we to usb host mode Jul 19 20:43:07 * DocScrutinizer idly starts a backup Jul 19 20:43:07 i wana use an ultra usb-gps doggle Jul 19 20:43:21 frommyphone: that's not going to work Jul 19 20:43:33 frommyphone: it requires a lot more power than n900 can deliver Jul 19 20:43:43 jacekowski: sure?? Jul 19 20:43:47 gps? Jul 19 20:43:54 that always requires loads of power Jul 19 20:43:59 uhuh Jul 19 20:44:05 not really Jul 19 20:44:11 anyway, then use a Y-cable :-P Jul 19 20:44:16 I get 18 hous of logging with GPS Jul 19 20:44:28 in n95 you can easily feel it warm up keyboard Jul 19 20:44:29 on N900 Jul 19 20:44:37 as it's under 0 key Jul 19 20:44:52 that would be evidently <100mA then Jul 19 20:45:02 and these sticks are probably not the most efficient ones Jul 19 20:45:02 @4V Jul 19 20:45:04 yeah but n900 gps isnt great Jul 19 20:45:15 takes so long to update Jul 19 20:45:21 frommyphone: not really Jul 19 20:45:32 like when im riding the bus and want to get off on the right stop Jul 19 20:45:34 frommyphone: it does like 4 samples per second Jul 19 20:45:44 ~seen t-tan Jul 19 20:45:45 I've never seen it do >1 Jul 19 20:45:47 t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 38d 1h 4m 48s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'. Jul 19 20:45:57 wtf? Jul 19 20:45:59 Oh no! Jul 19 20:46:02 he caught fire! Jul 19 20:46:16 famous last words Jul 19 20:47:14 frommyphone: once it has a fix, N900 GPS isn't bad Jul 19 20:47:56 frommyphone: the crux is it might take ages TTFF, without 3G data Jul 19 20:48:20 well, with 3g data while moving 70mph Jul 19 20:48:26 that's not going to happe Jul 19 20:48:27 n Jul 19 20:48:37 with 3G data (or 2G) it's a matter of ~15s Jul 19 20:48:50 try doing same thing while on a train Jul 19 20:48:56 jacekowski: sure? Jul 19 20:48:57 that's doing 70mph or more Jul 19 20:49:30 even at 35mph if you are in a spotty area, it takes forever to get a lock (even with 2G or 3G) Jul 19 20:49:36 yeah, maybe GPS has real problems getting FF while moving fast Jul 19 20:50:15 well, there are some things that don't help Jul 19 20:50:38 70mph+ and steel roof Jul 19 20:50:49 ds3: I don't have that issue, travelling 70mph get a lock in usually under 30s Jul 19 20:51:23 that's somewhat natural, as GPS is listening to several channels to spot a predicted signal, if it does then the sat is found and locked. But if you're moving fast the signal will be quite different to the pattern it's looking for Jul 19 20:52:24 the A part of GPS is basically to reduce the set of signal patterns to look for Jul 19 20:52:39 I think that's only really true for sats in front and behind. Though I don't know much about GPS signals. Jul 19 20:53:13 It's true for all really Jul 19 20:53:30 due to various factos - such as multipath Jul 19 20:53:41 I can't see velocity adversely affecting signal from sats to your sides. Jul 19 20:53:53 in a clear sky - no Jul 19 20:54:09 alterego: doppler effect Jul 19 20:54:11 It however affects reflections of rapidly appearing and dissapearing objects Jul 19 20:54:17 I actually really like the GPS on the N900 performance wise Jul 19 20:54:36 well, even then. Isn't that code diversity signalling on one frequency? Jul 19 20:54:38 Okay, yeah get that. clouds trees and such Jul 19 20:54:46 alterego: gps is based on doppler effect and any fast movement will mess it up Jul 19 20:55:06 I guess I'm lucky living in a boring flat sparsely populated area :) Jul 19 20:55:11 GPS is jsut fine - when locked - at up to several kilometers a second Jul 19 20:55:37 It's during certain types of lock it reauires an un-corrupt signal from the satellites to lock to in some cases. Jul 19 20:55:54 Especially when it's not doing the AGPS thing Jul 19 20:56:01 cause when it is, a sat in front would somewhat mangle the signals from sats aside of you as well Jul 19 20:56:42 Interesting Jul 19 20:56:58 DocScrutinizer: yes - ut's a 1024 point spreading code. With different psuedorandom signals for eachsat. Jul 19 20:57:07 I should look into the workings of GPS I find it all very interesting :) Jul 19 20:57:12 repeating at 1.024KHz Jul 19 20:57:14 MHz Jul 19 20:57:23 the chip rate that is. Jul 19 20:57:32 mhm Jul 19 20:57:39 I also need to work a bit more on my "navigation tool" Jul 19 20:57:56 so one completely 'off' signal would ruin the whole pot, no? Jul 19 20:58:32 no - all the signals go into a kalman filter or similar, and out pops a position/velocity solution Jul 19 20:58:52 lemme put it this way: you can spoil GPS with just one jamming transmitter Jul 19 20:59:31 http://www.phrack.org/issues.html?issue=60&id=13 Jul 19 20:59:32 you don't need to jam each sat in vicinity separately Jul 19 21:00:08 and Jul 19 21:00:11 oops Jul 19 21:00:28 http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/gps_f.html Jul 19 21:00:35 GPS overview - quite good Jul 19 21:00:45 does the softqare matter so much on the n900 for gps performance? Jul 19 21:02:10 bsg fansite? Jul 19 21:02:15 * alterego chuckles Jul 19 21:02:53 ? Jul 19 21:03:25 f*cking vodafone content control. Jul 19 21:03:39 SpeedEvil: phrack.org, heh Jul 19 21:04:39 ah Jul 19 21:05:00 BS!!! N900 shut down with bells and whistles on bat low, without ANY prior warning, and even while connected to charger (which incidentally wasn't detected and I didn't notice) Jul 19 21:05:03 alterego: you can turn that off Jul 19 21:05:09 GRRRRR Jul 19 21:05:49 anyone else found their n900 flat for no reason? Jul 19 21:06:12 mine dies a lot Jul 19 21:06:14 it goes "bong" on batlow shutdown, unless the bong is swapped out :) Jul 19 21:06:26 mine was charged last night and running fine, went to bed and this morning it was dead. tried to turn it on, it booted up but then made a rather strange death sound and died again Jul 19 21:06:28 always there's a reason. Just you're not knowing it Jul 19 21:06:35 checked battery, 3.4V, so now its on charged Jul 19 21:06:46 no idea how nexus gets updated to get so much better bat life Jul 19 21:06:46 SpeedEvil: I'd rather not, reminds me to use a proxy when I'm looking at dodgy stuff ;) Jul 19 21:07:34 well, DocScrutinizer, at least you can still do things in like 5s Jul 19 21:07:38 I think you should have a look at what's running on you phone ... Jul 19 21:07:55 me? Jul 19 21:08:00 My N900 runs for a couple of days with my "normal" usage. Jul 19 21:08:04 perfectly for noticing common chat channel that you're out. :D Jul 19 21:08:09 you mean the idle stuff? Jul 19 21:08:10 alterego: yeah, same Jul 19 21:08:32 from yeah Jul 19 21:09:00 mine does a day or two with occasional gps and 1-2 hours of camera use (tourist use, I guess) Jul 19 21:09:06 dunno why it ran flat during the night, something must have crashed and used 100%cpu Jul 19 21:09:08 ShadowJK: mine did a "pioouuuu goblegoble", no "bong" Jul 19 21:09:34 i wonder if it was my smbmount Jul 19 21:09:46 the pc that was mounted was turned off before i went to bed Jul 19 21:09:54 but the n900 still had it mounted Jul 19 21:10:13 The noise it makes is wierd on battery off. Jul 19 21:10:15 iirc that does crazy things Jul 19 21:10:19 Sort of explosion in a bell factory Jul 19 21:10:27 haha yeah, thats what it sounded like Jul 19 21:10:58 do you know if that sound is just a wav in the folder or hardcoded in somewhere? Jul 19 21:11:01 id like to hear it again Jul 19 21:11:10 Psi: USB mounts lock CPU @ 500 I heard Jul 19 21:11:21 na, this was mounted over wifi Jul 19 21:11:30 aah Jul 19 21:11:40 Psi: I suspect it may be several sounds all playing at once Jul 19 21:11:45 ah, speaking about battery, i guess i should buy a new charger Jul 19 21:11:47 its normally fine, but then the pc that the mount points too is normally on 24/7 Jul 19 21:11:53 it doesn't like my N900 anymore Jul 19 21:12:02 it _works_, but not good Jul 19 21:12:13 Psi: is your router energy friendly? Jul 19 21:12:23 yes, it has the 802.11e or whatever it is Jul 19 21:12:40 so the phone can sleep and wake up to check for any packets Jul 19 21:12:55 Do you often leave it on wifi and it's fine? Jul 19 21:13:03 yes, i have wifi on all the time Jul 19 21:13:26 I think samba and netbios do a fair amount of polling. Jul 19 21:13:36 Well, publishing Jul 19 21:14:15 Though I don't know for sure. Jul 19 21:14:18 it could have been scanning the folder looking for files and kept hitting the dead samba mount Jul 19 21:14:20 even on desktop the client machine goes bananas if the server goes away Jul 19 21:14:52 indeed Jul 19 21:14:58 its fine if the mount is good tho, cos is been like that for months without issue Jul 19 21:14:59 just leave it on charger overnight anyway Jul 19 21:15:27 ShadowJK: yeah, i should by a 2nd charger for near the bed Jul 19 21:16:18 I've got loads, of non usb nokia chargers, that and it's mostly always plugged into my laptop Jul 19 21:16:49 yeah, i also have a pile of the old 3.7V nokia packs Jul 19 21:21:03 meh, prefer swapping batteries to leaving my phone at home. Now the second one is highly welcome Jul 19 21:21:13 * DocScrutinizer waves and heads off for a beer Jul 19 21:22:25 * DocScrutinizer mumbles swearwords as the other battery in other device is down to 65% due to standby test Jul 19 21:24:09 mmpf, shutdown -h now did exactly nothing Jul 19 21:26:11 dsmetool somemthing.. Jul 19 21:26:21 init 0 :-P Jul 19 21:27:07 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 19 21:29:11 DocScrutinizer: so are you writing an UI to write a custom keymap? Jul 19 21:29:33 s/an/a/ Jul 19 21:29:33 kerio meant: DocScrutinizer: so are you writing a UI to write a custom keymap? Jul 19 21:36:55 on diablo, how can I do video conference? I've just installed skype but I guess video is still not done or? what do you advice me? Jul 19 21:38:42 <_rd> frikinz, googletalk (?) Jul 19 21:44:27 SpeedEvil: very good desription of GPS that link, thanks :) Jul 19 21:52:28 ok I'll try googletalk. I'm not that up to date with these things :) Jul 19 21:56:20 mmhh only to other tablets.. well no.. I need from PC to n800. So the webcam is quite useless in fact. Jul 19 22:24:11 Anyone knows if it possible to retrieve the theme dir for the current theme in xterm? Jul 19 22:30:24 pwd Jul 19 22:34:41 [pronto]: Can you elaborate? In case you replied to me that is. Jul 19 23:07:06 anybody here have any info on gsm sim cloning? Jul 19 23:07:18 what of it? Jul 19 23:07:21 i want to be able to just turn off a phone. turn the other one on ... and go Jul 19 23:07:29 The SIM is supposed to stop you doing that. Jul 19 23:07:37 i hate having to manually swap out the sim all the time Jul 19 23:07:40 Unless you buy the SIMs pre-loaded to be the same. Jul 19 23:07:52 and unless you're AT&T, I doubt you can. Jul 19 23:08:03 t-mob Jul 19 23:08:18 well, unless you're T-Mobile, I doubt you can. Jul 19 23:08:24 heh Jul 19 23:08:37 well. there seems to be ways to do it as far as i can tell but i've never tried it Jul 19 23:08:42 there are apps that crack the ki Jul 19 23:08:49 so you can do a full clone Jul 19 23:09:07 and i really want to do this so i'm not stuck having to keep swapping out the sim Jul 19 23:09:07 Ah, you hacker you. Jul 19 23:09:08 SIM cloning is illegal in most if not all countries Jul 19 23:09:26 clone the K_i, sure. But to load it in a different phone? Jul 19 23:09:28 ToJa92: that's not fair :-P even to your own sim where you just want to swap phones? Jul 19 23:09:37 yeah, like tech laws are reasonable. Jul 19 23:09:43 haha Jul 19 23:09:50 [Macer]: Yup, pretty sure it's illegal Jul 19 23:09:55 lame Jul 19 23:09:56 not said its impossible though :P Jul 19 23:10:00 heh Jul 19 23:10:04 get a service provider that provides multi-sim cards Jul 19 23:10:05 well.. i was looking at this thing... Jul 19 23:10:09 (I dont know any ways though) Jul 19 23:10:12 http://cgi.ebay.com/SIM-Card-Reader-Writer-Adapter-Phone-Backup-Copy-Clone-/190398682498?cmd=ViewItem&pt=SIM_Cards&hash=item2c54a55582#ht_2038wt_1023 Jul 19 23:10:17 ToJa92: i don't either :-P Jul 19 23:10:23 i called tmob and they said they wouldn't do it Jul 19 23:10:31 so i figured i would do it myself Jul 19 23:10:33 heck, they probably can't. Jul 19 23:10:44 haha Jul 19 23:10:44 change to one that does Jul 19 23:10:47 didn't think about that Jul 19 23:10:50 They store the numbers, but don't add them to SIMs themself. Jul 19 23:10:53 Kegetys: i don't know of any here that do Jul 19 23:11:00 i'm in chicago but maybe i'll look around Jul 19 23:11:01 but Jul 19 23:11:05 hmm okay Jul 19 23:11:07 i don't want to lose my 3G on my n900 ;) Jul 19 23:11:15 and swapping providers would cause that Jul 19 23:11:20 my service provider does it for free with a 3G package Jul 19 23:11:28 I have three sim cards now :P Jul 19 23:11:33 blah Jul 19 23:11:41 tmobile just sucks like that i suppose Jul 19 23:11:46 http://cgi.ebay.com/SIM-Card-Reader-Writer-Adapter-Phone-Backup-Copy-Clone-/190398682498?cmd=ViewItem&pt=SIM_Cards&hash=item2c54a55582#ht_2038wt_1023 Jul 19 23:11:50 i was looking at that to read the sim Jul 19 23:11:55 i'm sure i can find some software to crack the ki Jul 19 23:12:02 and then get a blank one to write the img to Jul 19 23:12:26 not sure if that would actually add all necesary operator stuff etc Jul 19 23:12:41 I'm pretty sure that only copies the user readable part of the memory Jul 19 23:12:55 yeah Jul 19 23:12:59 thats what it seems like too :( Jul 19 23:13:03 uh, what version sim to get the k_i? Jul 19 23:13:08 Only version 1? Jul 19 23:13:11 i need to find something that can read all of it Jul 19 23:13:21 ManoftheSea: not sure what type of sim yet Jul 19 23:13:32 i'm looking for the hardware that allows me to do it first Jul 19 23:13:38 a sim reader/writer Jul 19 23:14:36 heres an article about how it's pretty much impossible to do :P http://www.lazybit.com/index.php/2009/10/05/how-to-clone-a-sim-card-not?blog=2 (not sure about the accuracy though) Jul 19 23:15:04 anway gonna reboot now Jul 19 23:22:44 hello all Jul 19 23:23:31 hm Jul 19 23:23:42 you would think that you could copy the encrypted data from the sim over to some sort of image file Jul 19 23:23:46 and brute force it that way Jul 19 23:23:47 :) Jul 19 23:24:03 by simply making a complete image of the sim Jul 19 23:24:07 how? Jul 19 23:24:15 the only access you have is the "os" Jul 19 23:24:19 hello all Jul 19 23:24:27 anybody know why the n900 is so bad at playing youtube videos? Jul 19 23:26:52 flash has the same performance of a drunk hippopotamus in a shopping cart Jul 19 23:28:15 theres no way to watch youtube vids easily on the n900? Jul 19 23:30:30 Dongle: zoutube Jul 19 23:37:54 hm, is there a way to boost the audio in the headphones? alsactl didnt' seem to help much Jul 19 23:40:13 I assume you've tried turning the volume up? Jul 19 23:40:32 From all apps? Jul 19 23:40:35 O just one? Jul 19 23:42:33 what do you mean from all apps? Jul 19 23:55:08 DocScrutinizer51: that doesn't tell me *when* the panic recorded there is from Jul 20 00:04:08 wow Jul 20 00:04:13 my n900 just kidn of froze up on me Jul 20 00:04:17 i had to yank the battery out Jul 20 00:04:31 i hope nit-droid or meego get going already so i can swap over :) Jul 20 00:21:02 good morning Jul 20 00:36:30 luke-jr: right Jul 20 00:37:10 luke-jr: report a bug, open a ticket Jul 20 00:37:34 I'll vote for it Jul 20 00:38:26 kerio: nope, I've not started to do that Jul 20 00:38:41 *night peeps* Jul 20 00:53:54 hi all Jul 20 00:53:59 new here Jul 20 00:54:30 hi Jul 20 00:54:58 yoyoh Jul 20 00:54:59 can some one help me with resources or list of documents to start in maemo based mobile application development Jul 20 00:55:58 You've looked at the wiki, I suppose? Jul 20 00:56:05 What's your usual language? Jul 20 00:56:12 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation Jul 20 00:56:17 c/c++ Jul 20 00:57:27 i was looking into the development area...my bad Jul 20 00:57:51 thanks man Jul 20 01:27:16 what it do Jul 20 01:56:50 * b-man yawns Jul 20 01:59:36 oot snway :reziniturcScoD Jul 20 02:00:02 uhhuh. Jul 20 02:02:00 ¿smelborp :initrom Jul 20 02:03:53 ‫or just: initrom: problem‬s? Jul 20 02:05:47 err, ‏mortini Jul 20 02:06:27 uhhuh. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 20 02:59:56 2010