**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 22 02:59:56 2010 Jul 22 03:36:28 sigh Jul 22 03:36:36 getting phonet usable seems to be impossible -.- Jul 22 03:43:24 why? Jul 22 03:49:50 luke-jr: no kidding :-P Jul 22 03:53:56 SpeedEvil: I can't figure out any way to make it usable... no decent documentation, I guess is the real problem Jul 22 03:54:13 short of booting Maemo and just letting it do magic Jul 22 03:55:29 and ofono just pretends there's no modem, without giving me any errors or such Jul 22 04:18:40 ah Jul 22 04:20:09 morning Jul 22 04:24:22 should I get an expensive speaker, foxl v2 = 200$, to listen at home and on a bicycle to music - I'll be commuting 50 miles roundtrip? Any thoughts welcome. Jul 22 04:40:33 Stskeeps: poke Jul 22 04:40:42 morn Jul 22 04:40:56 did you mention ofono working on N900? Jul 22 04:41:32 yes, though some patches are getting put into it i believe Jul 22 04:41:44 so git ofono doesn't work yet? Jul 22 04:41:52 any idea how to get phonet0 up? Jul 22 04:42:10 it's not my area of work sadly, so i don't know - and the guys working on it is at vacation :P Jul 22 04:42:17 it's all ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): phonet0: link is not ready Jul 22 04:42:19 and check jebba's tutorials Jul 22 04:42:34 I saw a few pages of Jebbas... not too useful :/ Jul 22 04:42:57 one had a command followed by ifconfig phonet0 up, but that didn't work either Jul 22 04:44:04 dunno Jul 22 04:44:07 phonet -a 0x6C -i phonet0 Jul 22 04:44:16 yeah, it would turn on the modem i believe Jul 22 04:44:28 on a sidenote, N8x0 DVFS doesn't look that difficult to patch Jul 22 04:44:54 DVFS? Jul 22 04:45:29 cpufreq Jul 22 04:45:32 o Jul 22 04:45:52 as i kinda suspect any newer kernel on n8x0 runs on low freq Jul 22 04:45:56 on a sidenote, I wrote a program that starts and prints GPS info, talking direct to cellmo Jul 22 04:46:03 but only works if I get phonet0 up :p Jul 22 04:46:03 cool Jul 22 04:46:15 well. looks like bulgaria has made the racist routing list Jul 22 04:46:51 Stskeeps: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps Jul 22 04:46:54 Stskeeps: wanna try it? Jul 22 04:47:12 no AGPS, so it might take a while if your GPS doesn't have the schedule thing already Jul 22 04:47:25 luke-jr: source, not binaries, please :P Jul 22 04:47:31 Stskeeps: append .c to the URI then Jul 22 04:47:42 Stskeeps: but be warned, at least someone here had a bad phonet header :P Jul 22 04:47:57 :nod: Jul 22 04:48:01 (or maybe the SDK GCC can't compile it...) Jul 22 04:48:02 good job Jul 22 04:48:34 Stskeeps: any idea what unit the altitude is btw? :P Jul 22 04:48:40 I couldn't quite identify that Jul 22 04:50:20 Stskeeps: also, any clues on getting the wifi working outside Maemo? Jul 22 04:50:28 Bulgaria borders five other countries: Romania to the north (mostly along the River Danube), Serbia and the Republic of Macedonia to the west, and Greece and Turkey to the south. Jul 22 04:50:32 oh yeah. a total shit geopolitical neighborhood Jul 22 04:50:38 it apparently needs more than firmware, but the -cal app is too complex to simply run or chroot Jul 22 05:01:32 Macer Greece is an area of politival shit right now? sorry for instigating Jul 22 05:04:53 yawn, I just ran my battery down to 0 :( Jul 22 05:06:47 yigal: haha Jul 22 05:06:55 Military spending in 2009 cost $1.19 billion. Jul 22 05:06:57 :) Jul 22 05:07:06 bulgaria military spending 1.19billion Jul 22 05:07:08 awesome Jul 22 05:07:36 How about Bologna? Jul 22 05:08:09 don't know but the US is around 685 billion :) Jul 22 05:08:49 Macer: ... idiot :) Jul 22 05:09:00 Bologna is a meat Jul 22 05:09:17 oh. figured it was just another unknown euro shithole like bulgaria Jul 22 05:09:20 :) Jul 22 05:09:21 hehe Jul 22 05:09:36 with all the other "programs" for defense.. the US actually spends over 1trillion Jul 22 05:09:43 Macer: pop quiz Jul 22 05:09:49 bulgaria... 1.9 billion ... us... 1.2 trillion Jul 22 05:09:50 is Beef a meat or country? Jul 22 05:09:51 hahah Jul 22 05:10:21 Macer: time's up! the answer is MEAT Jul 22 05:10:25 Macer: next: is Turkey a meat or country? Jul 22 05:10:34 hey ;) turkey is both Jul 22 05:10:35 hahahaha Jul 22 05:11:16 luke-jr: firmware should be enough Jul 22 05:11:20 Stskeeps: :/ Jul 22 05:11:40 luke-jr: :) Jul 22 05:11:43 an no offense Jul 22 05:11:47 but historically Jul 22 05:11:50 luke-jr: in meego we don't have wl1251-cal either Jul 22 05:11:56 bologna was actually an ancient republic in italy Jul 22 05:12:04 Stskeeps: how do you set the MAC? Jul 22 05:12:31 so tthe bolognese republic ;) Jul 22 05:12:35 curiously, my CAL reading app couldn't find any of the wlan data :/ Jul 22 05:12:37 hehe Jul 22 05:12:54 luke-jr: it gets set randomly within some area but a valid mac.. we need to port wl1251-cal too Jul 22 05:13:50 * luke-jr ponders if he can tell Maemo that 2G/3G is useless except for data Jul 22 05:14:08 (in other words, don't bother unless it's the only data available) Jul 22 05:17:01 :) Jul 22 05:17:03 luke-jr: Jul 22 05:17:07 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolognese_Republic Jul 22 05:17:09 HAHAHA Jul 22 05:17:15 wikipedia has an article for everything :) Jul 22 05:17:18 Macer: stfu already Jul 22 05:17:20 remind me to give them a donation Jul 22 05:17:23 don't Jul 22 05:18:09 honestly i am surprised but there isn't a republic or country or state named beef :) Jul 22 05:18:28 i'm sure there is probably a city or town tho Jul 22 05:18:37 Macer: Bologna is *still* a city Jul 22 05:18:52 yeah but it started off as a republic Jul 22 05:19:04 :) but i can't think of a place named beef Jul 22 05:19:08 there has to be one tho Jul 22 05:19:22 you just mentioned a Wikipedia article that says the city was first Jul 22 05:21:58 well. rome was a republic too :) so would you consider it just the city of rome ? or almost all of the known conquered world at the time? Jul 22 05:22:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RomanEmpire_large.jpg Jul 22 06:04:00 * asj looks up hot swapping n900 batteries Jul 22 06:06:12 asj: doesn't work. Jul 22 06:07:26 worked like a charm :) Jul 22 06:11:14 hey everyone. I resized the MyDocs paritition and created an extra ext3 partition. I want it automounted on a specific folder, but I read somewhere that /etc/fstab is generated on startup. So where should I then specify where it is automounted on boot? Jul 22 06:11:36 fstab is not generated, it's static. Jul 22 06:11:54 so yes, it's the correct place to put stuff in that you want mounted on boot Jul 22 06:12:35 SwedeMike: ok, cool Jul 22 06:12:54 SwedeMike: is there also a way to make the extra partition available in usb mass storage mode? Jul 22 06:13:48 SwedeMike: uh, yes it is generated Jul 22 06:14:00 oh sorry, I didn't see that this was #maemo Jul 22 06:14:14 I thought it was one of the bunch of ubuntu channels I was on. Jul 22 06:16:14 luke-jr: ok, so where is it generated and how then would I make sure it includes the partition I justs created? Jul 22 06:19:15 ohai Jul 22 06:38:09 SmokeyD: nfc Jul 22 07:21:56 Hmm - Anyone knows wether it,s possible to get the internal mailclient to show only subscribed imap-folders? Jul 22 07:22:37 phellarv: I guess that's the default behaviour. Jul 22 07:24:59 sezuan: Nope - it shows _all_ folders. Jul 22 07:46:57 Interesting. I see my subscribed folders only. Jul 22 07:49:20 the mail client should (does) obey server-side folder subscriptions. if it's showing you all folders then server-side you're probably subscribed to them all, and just have local subscriptions set in whatever other mail client(s) you use that only see some of them Jul 22 08:15:14 yello Jul 22 08:25:50 hey everyone, I want to reflash my N900 since it won't startup anymore. It starts with the Nokia screen, then goes to the five dots schreen which move back and forth like it is starting up, but there it stays. I might have messed up the /etc/event.d/rcS-late script. Should I flash my N900 (European version) with RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin? Or do I also need an eMMC content image? Jul 22 08:26:05 just go for that image Jul 22 08:27:05 Stskeeps: ok, so just flash that image and it will reset the config files, installed apps, etc? I do have a backup of my mmc drive, and on the mmc drive there are also backups I made with the backup tool of the phone Jul 22 08:27:12 right Jul 22 08:27:13 So I can restore the rest from there right? Jul 22 08:27:31 hopefully Jul 22 08:28:26 * Stskeeps tries to rewrite image Jul 22 08:28:58 :D Jul 22 08:29:05 Well, I am flashing now Jul 22 08:29:09 keep my fingers crossed Jul 22 08:29:18 won't be easy to type Jul 22 08:29:37 Corsac: what won't be easy to type? With my fingers crossed? Jul 22 08:29:38 :) Jul 22 08:30:42 "CMT flashed successfully" Jul 22 08:30:50 it ios booting again Jul 22 08:31:53 tididididu! Jul 22 08:32:08 I never new I could be so happy to hear that all familiar sound Jul 22 08:32:12 new=knew Jul 22 08:45:43 morning Jul 22 08:53:30 folks, quick help needed. I got my father the N900 and got OOo etc. running by simply installing the Debian Img App (under MyDocs). He is facing the problem of not being able to transfer files between ubuntu & n900, which rebooting the phone solved. so, is there a better non-CLI fix for this issue ? Jul 22 08:53:51 ...and except rebooting the phone. Jul 22 08:56:21 ...and we live in different cities, so that doesn't help. Jul 22 09:00:47 DocScrutinizer: :( Jul 22 09:00:58 i'm sure your script is better! Jul 22 09:01:32 alcy: it's not ubuntu, it's debian Jul 22 09:01:47 kerio: eerm, Ubuntu on pc. Jul 22 09:02:35 where should i place shell scripts to run them directly from terminal Jul 22 09:02:38 in opt? Jul 22 09:03:36 and the home directory is the same Jul 22 09:03:36 ooh, i see... Jul 22 09:03:36 hmm Jul 22 09:03:37 put the things in MyDocs, connect the usb cable in storage mode, wait for ubuntu to do his automounting rituals? Jul 22 09:03:39 alcy: how does he transfer files? usb mass storage? Jul 22 09:04:05 villager: yup Jul 22 09:04:41 villager: so the problem is, either he had an app in use which was probably accessing MyDocs, or something similar to that effect Jul 22 09:04:56 alcy: well I guess he needs to unmount the debian image before he can put it into mass storage... I think these days there's an app for that in the menu Jul 22 09:05:26 villager: ah alright, will search for the app and let him know. cheers. Jul 22 09:05:55 kerio: no, pancake's script is better, he changed 9 to 1 while copying mine, and usually that works better Jul 22 09:06:33 the pity is he copied everything else incl typos, and claims he had written it Jul 22 09:08:32 though I thought running OOo via a debian img on a n900 would be too uber-slow to be useful Jul 22 09:09:20 and not have a very good gui either Jul 22 09:10:29 well, maybe I wasn't patient enough Jul 22 09:12:49 villager: well, its not my phone, for a few hours it was with me, I needed to have OOo for dad, that's it. yup, it was painfully slow. and its probably a matter of time, when dad will call me for more fixes. Jul 22 09:13:10 and them probably, I'll flash it. Jul 22 09:13:21 or provide instructions Jul 22 09:14:21 alcy: if you're using the Easy Debian package, it looks like the menu item is called "Close Debian" Jul 22 09:14:43 villager: yup, just told him. found it in the wiki/help Jul 22 09:15:18 village: anything that my dad's gonna miss if I flash it with Debian ? Jul 22 09:16:04 alcy: what do you mean flash it with debian? Jul 22 09:17:37 villager: getting rid of the Easy deb package, and flashing with Debian instead (what ? did I miss somehitng ?) Jul 22 09:18:34 alcy: so, overwrite Maemo? well, as far as I know, there *is* no debian-for-n900 Jul 22 09:19:08 perhaps that other free maemo-replacement project, can't recall its name right now, but it's not debian as such Jul 22 09:21:16 villager: I must have misread somewhere really then ! I thought easy deb was for people who wanted a quick fix, as opposed to say people who could afford to go take some other route. guess I was just making a presumption. Jul 22 09:24:19 what was the name of that free-OS-project for nokia internet tablets? Jul 22 09:25:09 mer Jul 22 09:26:15 oh yeah, that was it Jul 22 09:27:49 alcy: well, that Mer project would be for those hacker-type people who could afford to take some other route... but you'd probably miss a lot Jul 22 09:28:49 villager: yup. and my dad is far from being those hacker-people. :) Jul 22 09:28:51 well, meego's the way Jul 22 09:28:51 :P Jul 22 09:28:57 mer's dead Jul 22 09:29:06 sob Jul 22 09:33:01 DocScrutinizer, dont cry for Mer argentina... i dont know the rest of the lyrics for that song. (thankfully) Jul 22 09:38:26 TermanaN900: I'll tell to werner almesberger :-) lives in BUE Jul 22 09:39:11 GAN900: ping Jul 22 09:40:03 much too early Jul 22 09:46:33 DocScrutinizer: what are you doing then? Jul 22 09:48:06 too early for tampa bay Jul 22 09:48:13 (gan900) Jul 22 09:50:59 lbt, the joggler is on its way to you Jul 22 09:51:09 cool Jul 22 09:51:18 * lbt watches driveway for van Jul 22 09:51:30 should be any minute now Jul 22 09:52:06 13.7GBP this cost me Jul 22 09:56:37 TomaszD, and a piece of your soul Jul 22 09:56:40 :P Jul 22 09:57:51 that's exactly what happens when waiting in a queue at the post office around here, how did you know TermanaN900 ? Jul 22 09:57:54 yes, it is Jul 22 09:58:03 polska poczta = fucking evil Jul 22 09:58:32 actually no, the post office ladies around here are nice and helpful Jul 22 09:58:49 but I can imagine why Stskeeps would run into problems Jul 22 09:58:56 :) Jul 22 09:59:12 TomaszD: the queues are bizarre here in warsaw Jul 22 09:59:40 as far as I know you have to call the president to get into one Jul 22 09:59:42 :P Jul 22 09:59:56 people are weird, true Jul 22 09:59:56 TomaszD, i knew from my secret mediumistic abilities Jul 22 10:00:18 :P Jul 22 10:02:01 jacekowski: ping Jul 22 10:04:00 pong Jul 22 10:04:01 DocScrutinizer: Jul 22 10:04:06 ~wifi-psm Jul 22 10:04:07 extra, extra, read all about it, wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) Jul 22 10:04:18 what i can do you for? Jul 22 10:04:29 what can i do you for? Jul 22 10:05:06 just saying hello Jul 22 10:05:11 while sorting my head Jul 22 10:05:28 so you just highlighted me for fun Jul 22 10:05:35 bq24150 kernel driver, status? Jul 22 10:05:49 crashie around by any chance? Jul 22 10:05:52 it will require new kernel Jul 22 10:05:59 i can't make it self contained Jul 22 10:06:00 any results on serial console bidir? Jul 22 10:06:00 helloooo crash? Jul 22 10:06:04 because of i2c subsystem Jul 22 10:06:15 and devices have to be defined in i2c bus driver Jul 22 10:06:20 k Jul 22 10:06:36 otherwise i could make a workaround that it would force itself to register Jul 22 10:06:39 when loaded Jul 22 10:06:45 but it will panic on unload Jul 22 10:06:50 hmm Jul 22 10:07:03 we prolly don't want it that way Jul 22 10:07:23 talk to titan Jul 22 10:07:44 our god of nasty wicked kernels Jul 22 10:07:53 what's his nick here? Jul 22 10:07:56 or jabber Jul 22 10:07:58 t-tan Jul 22 10:07:59 or anything Jul 22 10:08:09 ~seen t-tan Jul 22 10:08:09 DocScrutinizer, conspiring with overclockers!? well i never :P Jul 22 10:08:11 t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 40d 14h 27m 11s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'. Jul 22 10:08:27 i think he might be dead Jul 22 10:08:54 hmm, prolly killed by a lynchmob Jul 22 10:09:39 btw. i bought a breadboard Jul 22 10:09:45 jacekowski: join h-e-n! Jul 22 10:09:58 12:09 -!- Irssi: #h-e-n: Total of 1 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 0 normal] Jul 22 10:10:10 your kernel patches more than welcome in hostmode kernel Jul 22 10:10:14 that #h-e-n? Jul 22 10:10:27 h-e-n.garage.maemo.org Jul 22 10:10:31 ah Jul 22 10:10:35 that h-e-n Jul 22 10:11:22 alterego is about to find his way thru our chaos, building patched kernel etc, talk to him Jul 22 10:11:35 also to hcm Jul 22 10:11:58 what's wrong with the Linux Kernel For Power Users? Jul 22 10:12:11 i'm still using stock kernel Jul 22 10:12:23 i'm about to break my phone Jul 22 10:13:04 unmanaged as maintainer had been killed by lynchmob Jul 22 10:13:10 see backscroll Jul 22 10:13:18 kerio: ^^^ Jul 22 10:13:32 i see Jul 22 10:13:51 fuck yeah Jul 22 10:13:52 dead Jul 22 10:14:06 now i have tablet without a phone Jul 22 10:14:20 duh wut? Jul 22 10:14:31 Image authentication failed from cellmo Jul 22 10:14:46 you can probably reflash cellmo Jul 22 10:14:57 you SHALT NOT mess with cellmo firmware Jul 22 10:15:12 you SHALT mess with cellmo firmware, for we are bored and easily amused Jul 22 10:15:21 also, pwnd Jul 22 10:15:26 well, as long as he doesn't start blaming nokia Jul 22 10:15:27 :P Jul 22 10:16:22 odds are you need coldflash though, if cellmo solidly fscked up Jul 22 10:16:31 ->RMA Jul 22 10:17:04 or figure how coldflash works, which brings us back to my 2nd question Jul 22 10:17:14 any results on serial console bidir? Jul 22 10:18:27 wouldn't like to build an extremely expensive unique prototype jig/fixture for TermanaN900 and just to find I had the wrong pins Jul 22 10:18:28 i bought breadboard Jul 22 10:19:17 and played with multimeter little bit Jul 22 10:19:19 Stskeeps: could you describe what's the exact process you are following when accessing bootconsole? Jul 22 10:19:30 enable r&d mode, serial console Jul 22 10:19:34 incl which tools you use for that? Jul 22 10:19:39 Stskeeps: and you press button on keyboard Jul 22 10:19:40 hw tools Jul 22 10:19:43 Stskeeps: which one Jul 22 10:19:45 DocScrutinizer: nothing Jul 22 10:19:47 no, i don't Jul 22 10:19:50 DocScrutinizer: flasher Jul 22 10:20:08 Stskeeps: you don't press any buttons on keyboard? Jul 22 10:20:11 no Jul 22 10:20:22 Stskeeps: and you jig has 3 pins? Jul 22 10:20:23 well, getting into nolo prompt i've never tried Jul 22 10:20:27 ahh Jul 22 10:20:29 hw tools!! Jul 22 10:20:52 hmm, ok Jul 22 10:20:54 flashed it back Jul 22 10:21:26 Stskeeps: you are using FT-94? (or whatever it's called) Jul 22 10:21:36 DocScrutinizer: msg Jul 22 10:22:14 msg me as well Jul 22 10:22:26 I installed scratchbox and when I write: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list it says: bash: sudo: command not found Jul 22 10:22:44 sudo apt-get install sudo Jul 22 10:22:44 Hi ! Jul 22 10:22:45 no.. wait Jul 22 10:23:52 * khertan_n900 just see from his stats of his repository that around 3500 users ask for update daily on his repository Jul 22 10:24:03 ooooooo Jul 22 10:24:15 it looks like cellmo firmware has asic version detection Jul 22 10:24:26 so it looks like it's same firmware across all phones/vrsions Jul 22 10:24:46 visz: ok Jul 22 10:25:20 hum .... there is also everyday 150 which are still requesting update on the fremantle repository instead of fremantle-1.2 Jul 22 10:25:20 visz: I follwed this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution Jul 22 10:25:26 does Pearl mean anything to anybodyu Jul 22 10:25:27 X-Fade: i got a "promotion unlocked" mail for webradio-superfly, but it's not ready yet (only 4 votes) - is this a bug or just a one-time error? Jul 22 10:25:50 abc_, try su -c apt-get install sudo Jul 22 10:26:08 thp: 3 testers said it was ok then. Jul 22 10:26:35 visz: bash: su: command not found Jul 22 10:26:44 uh oh Jul 22 10:26:44 khertan_n900: what repo? Jul 22 10:27:13 mine Jul 22 10:27:27 i didn't ask whose repo Jul 22 10:27:29 i asked what repo Jul 22 10:27:31 http://khertan.net/khertan_repository Jul 22 10:27:35 i see Jul 22 10:27:53 :) Jul 22 10:27:54 abc_, seems like you're on a floating device over a lake of organic matter without a method of propulsion Jul 22 10:28:02 visz: after follwing the above link, when I /scratchbox/login then only sbox-> appeared, (unusual), so I did this: sb-conf st FREMANTLE_X86 -c cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 -d perl:debian-etch:doctools:svn:git -t none Jul 22 10:28:44 visz: ? Jul 22 10:28:49 hum ... 88 People have installed VectorMine 1.1.0 Jul 22 10:30:01 visz: you mean I need to follow all the steps of manual installation also ? Jul 22 10:30:55 jacekowski: you ever sent any data to that 3rd pin of FT-94? Jul 22 10:32:00 visz: so better I uninstall and install again Jul 22 10:32:35 visz: manually Jul 22 10:33:13 why does the cellmo needs a sign? :/ Jul 22 10:35:50 Hm Jul 22 10:40:30 DocScrutinizer: not yet Jul 22 10:40:34 DocScrutinizer: i'm about to do so Jul 22 10:40:53 DocScrutinizer: when i'll finish building my very very very very safe level shifter on my breadboard Jul 22 10:40:58 FT-94 is most most most likely correct about pins Jul 22 10:41:08 hehe Jul 22 10:41:39 make sure it's *really* safe, you don't want to fry OMAP Jul 22 10:41:42 hmm, it looks like rapuyama is omapbased Jul 22 10:41:51 well, i might have already fried serial port Jul 22 10:42:04 because i probably connected it to 12V Jul 22 10:42:04 OUCH! Jul 22 10:42:17 you bet it's dead then Jul 22 10:42:21 condolences Jul 22 10:42:28 well, omap survived Jul 22 10:42:35 mhm Jul 22 10:42:38 so it might be something else that died Jul 22 10:42:43 but i had no time to test it Jul 22 10:42:46 it won't explode in one big cloud Jul 22 10:43:35 well, AVR ADC pin survived 24V Jul 22 10:43:44 Hrm Jul 22 10:43:45 trough 100 ohms resistor Jul 22 10:43:58 fstab is autogenerated on bootup? Jul 22 10:44:02 FireFly: yep Jul 22 10:44:13 So how would I do if I wanted to change something? Jul 22 10:44:13 so clamping diode on io pin had load of work to do Jul 22 10:44:18 FireFly: you don't Jul 22 10:44:23 :< Jul 22 10:44:32 if only those BS ½@#ŋ”æ&%$ schematics were a LITTLE bit more verbose on what is going on with testpads. Also regarding tranzorbs for ESD etc Jul 22 10:44:39 What is it generated by? Jul 22 10:46:27 well, these pins are connected to serial on omap Jul 22 10:46:42 and omap will fallback to serial boot in case of wiped bootloader Jul 22 10:46:55 so i possibly could wipe it with x-rays Jul 22 10:46:59 and maybe see these tracks Jul 22 10:48:01 hi, does anybody already tested the mobilehotspot application? Jul 22 10:48:54 defragger, use kernel-power kernel first and disable all connections before you start that application Jul 22 10:48:57 cya guys Jul 22 10:54:28 tbh, rapuyama looks like generic arm + dsp Jul 22 10:56:43 jacekowski: it is Jul 22 10:59:22 This is weird. I have resize my MyDocs partition (/dev/mmcblk0p5) to make it 5GB and created an extra ext3 partition. If I manually mount that partition in /home/user/MyDocs/.maps/ then the partition has 22GB available space, as shown by df -h. But when I put the mount command ni /etc/event.d/rcS-late, so the partition is automounted at boot, df -h only shows 5GB available, instead of the proper 23GB. If I then unmount it again and mount it again, the Jul 22 11:00:11 The MyDocs partition is of course /dev/mmcblk0p1 not /dev/mmcblk0p5 (that is the device of the new ext3 partition) Jul 22 11:01:41 DocScrutinizer: hmm you might have problem with jrbme Jul 22 11:01:53 DocScrutinizer: it's reading some data from bme cal Jul 22 11:02:33 we knew that before Jul 22 11:02:58 it's even writing there iirc Jul 22 11:03:07 you found that weeks ago Jul 22 11:03:09 hi, do you get BADSIG when updating from repositories? Jul 22 11:03:18 I'm not concerned about it Jul 22 11:03:50 it's messing with rapuyama power managment Jul 22 11:04:23 FSCK! http://www.forum.gsmrapid.com/showthread.php?t=4957 is down/gone. Was a nice page about rapuyama for you jacekowski Jul 22 11:05:50 can someone please explain to me the gibberish on http://www.forum.gsmrapid.com/ Jul 22 11:06:21 Apache/2.2.11 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 Server at www.forum.gsmrapid.com Port 80 Jul 22 11:06:39 its just an apache default page Jul 22 11:07:00 means theres no content in the webserver folder that domain directs to, and apache has indexing enabled Jul 22 11:07:05 * DocScrutinizer hates internet :-P Jul 22 11:07:47 nid0: thnx :) Jul 22 11:08:19 SpeedEvil: ^^^ Jul 22 11:09:34 SpeedEvil: you got another link to that BBcellmo overview? Jul 22 11:09:48 DocScrutinizer: for what it's worth Jul 22 11:09:57 all theyve done is move the forum out of the forum. subdomaibn Jul 22 11:10:03 im guessing the thread you're looking for is Jul 22 11:10:05 http://gsmrapid.com/showthread.php?t=4957 Jul 22 11:10:54 nid0: \o/ Jul 22 11:11:23 crashie? Jul 22 11:11:29 ?crashanddie Jul 22 11:11:37 jacekowski: (rapuyama == arm + dsp) ^^^ Jul 22 11:11:38 ping crashanddie Jul 22 11:13:31 * DocScrutinizer wonders what YAMA might be Jul 22 11:13:35 ~wtf yama Jul 22 11:13:37 Gee... I don't know what yama means... Jul 22 11:13:44 thought as much Jul 22 11:13:49 ~botsnack Jul 22 11:13:49 thanks, DocScrutinizer Jul 22 11:14:07 ~botsnack Jul 22 11:14:08 aw, gee, kerio Jul 22 11:14:48 ~yousuck Jul 22 11:15:14 ~wtf crashanddie Jul 22 11:15:16 Gee... I don't know what crashanddie means... Jul 22 11:16:41 fun Jul 22 11:17:00 rapuyama has same pieces of code i saw in BME Jul 22 11:17:10 same battery calculations Jul 22 11:18:49 Bleh Jul 22 11:37:45 hmm, it looks like all agps stuff is handled by rapuyama itself Jul 22 11:38:24 duh Jul 22 11:39:02 Is there any docs on rapuyama, I@don't actually know what you're on about :P Jul 22 11:39:05 jacekowski: maybe you find some interesting details there: post dated 12-04-2009, 14:16 in http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/archive/t-871875.html Jul 22 11:39:19 cellmo? Jul 22 11:39:28 alterego: http://gsmrapid.com/showthread.php?t=4957 Jul 22 11:39:46 mornin Jul 22 11:39:55 alterego: (I@don't actually know what you're on about) just hacking :-P Jul 22 11:40:04 Some one should try a fix via wifi and see what happens. The agps data has to be injected somehow ... Jul 22 11:40:05 MohammadAG51: moinmoin Jul 22 11:40:21 Ello MohammadAG51 Jul 22 11:40:25 jacekowski: rapuyama this is not the name of a recipe for stew? Jul 22 11:40:53 alterego: see my latest post to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830 Jul 22 11:40:54 Bug 8830: Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 Jul 22 11:41:03 err Jul 22 11:41:10 sorry not that one Jul 22 11:41:22 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7026 Jul 22 11:41:23 Bug 7026: Can't get a GPS lock with several satellites at view Jul 22 11:42:19 khertan_n900: rapuyama is word for lobster in Finnish afaik Jul 22 11:42:49 haha a stew of lobster :) Jul 22 11:42:51 * Corsac mumbles something about ocsp servers not configured Jul 22 11:44:06 does there is a estimation of number of sold n900 in the world Jul 22 11:44:06 ? Jul 22 11:44:25 i 'm a bit surprize by the number of request i got on my repository ... Jul 22 11:44:58 i was thinking that dev tool should interest 1% or less of the n900 user Jul 22 11:44:59 khertan_n900: seem to remember some rumble about 500k sold in first (3?) month(s) Jul 22 11:45:00 i was thinking that dev tool should interest 1% or less of the n900 users Jul 22 11:46:00 but if i extrapole 3500 * 100 = 3 500 000 n900 sold ? Jul 22 11:46:05 a bit huge :) Jul 22 11:46:07 maybe I'm wrong though Jul 22 11:46:23 khertan_n900: n900 has 3500 friends on facebook ;-) Jul 22 11:46:28 Doesn't seem like an utterl!yridiculous number. Jul 22 11:46:34 nah, may be in ballpark Jul 22 11:46:38 and 1% is a bit large imho Jul 22 11:46:57 3500 is the number of daily update request i got on my repository Jul 22 11:47:10 3500 is the rounded number of daily update request i got on my repository Jul 22 11:49:02 hmmm Jul 22 11:49:18 does anybody have any idea about glpals.com Jul 22 11:49:33 sure, just find him Jul 22 11:49:48 aaah Jul 22 11:49:54 it's assisted gps server Jul 22 11:49:58 with ephemerides and stuff Jul 22 11:49:59 aah Jul 22 11:50:07 because i found piece of code communicating with it Jul 22 11:50:10 in rapuyama Jul 22 11:50:23 piece of code dealing with gps is HUGE Jul 22 11:50:33 incredible Jul 22 11:50:59 you're sure it's used in normal operation mode of GPS on N900? Jul 22 11:51:12 yep Jul 22 11:51:19 well, knowing where you are based on rotating lightbulbs in orbit isn't simple Jul 22 11:51:47 that'd petty much explain my findings why AGPS doesn't work without registered GSM Jul 22 11:52:11 h-slp.mnc%03u.mcc%03u.pub.3gppnetwork.org Jul 22 11:52:42 WTF? Jul 22 11:52:43 kerio: NL5350 is designed to have low demand for CPU calculating power Jul 22 11:52:47 in code again Jul 22 11:52:55 port it for the main cpu Jul 22 11:55:20 SOA ns1.gsmmou.org Jul 22 11:55:35 server doesn't ping Jul 22 11:56:42 that's in gps related code Jul 22 11:57:16 http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Assisted_GPS_on_N95 Jul 22 11:57:18 some info here Jul 22 11:57:28 do I have to use Ovi Suite to tether the n900 with my computer, or can I use it with the generic dial-up dialogue, offered by Windows? Jul 22 11:57:30 yeah, it's agps server Jul 22 11:57:31 I wonder if rapuyama has alot of cruft in it... Jul 22 11:57:46 the *99# connection string seemed to just hang Jul 22 11:57:48 cruft? Jul 22 11:57:52 Wolfie: i'd just use mobilehotspot Jul 22 11:57:53 Hmm, interesting. Anyone care to explain why killing Xorg reboots Maemo? :P Jul 22 11:58:04 kerio: i'm not comfortable with a custom kernel Jul 22 11:58:06 Termana: it's critical app Jul 22 11:58:15 Wolfie, I've used generic dial up dialogue for tethering over bluetooth with windows xp.. I think the key thing is that a serial port appears that you can talk to Jul 22 11:58:16 watchdog Jul 22 11:58:18 Termana: you have to ask maemo nicely to stop it Jul 22 11:58:21 no Jul 22 11:58:26 jacekowski: h-slp.mnc002.mcc240.pub.3gppnetwork.org doesn't resolve either Jul 22 11:58:27 xorg doesn't have watchdog Jul 22 11:58:37 ShadowJK: the windows 7 does recognize the phone, probably a driver installed by ovi suite... Jul 22 11:58:43 hm Jul 22 11:58:55 ShadowJK: what's a cruft? Jul 22 11:58:56 jacekowski: i tried AT&T mnc/mcc and won't resolve Jul 22 11:59:03 ShadowJK: or, it offers it as a connections method, alongside all the wifi hotspots Jul 22 11:59:10 ah nvm Jul 22 11:59:12 i've googled Jul 22 11:59:15 jacekowski, unused code Jul 22 11:59:37 jacekowski, nicely!? Does Maemo not realise who I am!! :P Jul 22 11:59:40 jacekowski: might be worth trying to resolve on 3g Jul 22 11:59:46 ShadowJK: and you bet there's a butload of it Jul 22 12:00:15 ShadowJK: 5M binary Jul 22 12:01:00 i'm just wondering how much spyware code is in there Jul 22 12:01:04 * ShadowJK wonders how similar it'd look to CS-15 firmware :-) Jul 22 12:01:15 cs-15? Jul 22 12:01:48 can we get our own imsi somehow? Jul 22 12:02:05 eeh? Jul 22 12:02:17 http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/internet-stick-cs-15-support/software it's "just a modem" Jul 22 12:02:26 I mean, is there a way to access it Jul 22 12:03:03 N900 was pretty much first nokia modem with 10M/2M support (or whatever it is), and CS-15 followed only weeks after, with similar modem specs, which made me suspect it's the same chip :P Jul 22 12:03:06 bah, it just complains that PPP failed Jul 22 12:03:25 oh, mnc/mcc are reported by celltowerinfo anyway Jul 22 12:03:34 jacekowski, So how do I ask Maemo to "nicely" kill Xorg? Jul 22 12:03:58 Termana: power button? :P Jul 22 12:04:01 DocScrutinizer: you pinged me? Jul 22 12:04:16 SpeedEvil: nvm Jul 22 12:04:22 Termana: type in 'iloveapple' Jul 22 12:04:26 and iphone os boots up Jul 22 12:04:26 ! Jul 22 12:04:31 alterego, Stskeeps, :P Jul 22 12:04:43 Thank you very much for your help guys *rolls eyes* Jul 22 12:04:49 :P Jul 22 12:04:56 look at upstart commands Jul 22 12:04:57 :P Jul 22 12:04:57 Well, whny do you want to stop it? Jul 22 12:05:15 k Jul 22 12:05:19 alterego, doing some testing and fiddling. Jul 22 12:05:20 jacekowski: you're dissasembling the modem fw? Jul 22 12:05:30 jacekowski: Or just the bit that talks to rapuyama Jul 22 12:05:47 i'd be impressed if you dumped the modem's fw Jul 22 12:05:53 http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/gps_f.html Jul 22 12:06:07 Is joikuspot only available through ovi store now? Jul 22 12:06:09 my favourite GPS tutorial that goes into quite a lot of depth Jul 22 12:06:19 are/is hmm Jul 22 12:06:22 (enough to make your own GPS from duct tape) Jul 22 12:06:31 Heh Jul 22 12:07:56 woot! duct tape! Jul 22 12:12:05 SpeedEvil: rapuyama fw Jul 22 12:12:27 Termana: stop X or something like that Jul 22 12:12:32 Termana: ls /etc/init.d Jul 22 12:12:40 Termana: one of this scripts there Jul 22 12:13:50 jacekowski: neat! Jul 22 12:14:01 i wouldn't call it neat Jul 22 12:14:06 jacekowski: A table of GSM commands supported would also be awesome. Jul 22 12:14:30 jacekowski: I would expect from random stuff that the rapuyama basically implements a 'soft modem' for GPS. Jul 22 12:14:55 SpeedEvil: it's doing a lot more Jul 22 12:15:08 SpeedEvil: rapuyama can pull data from these servers and send it to gps chip Jul 22 12:15:16 jacekowski: There are several levels. A) The frontend chip is simply a RF stage that outputs a bitstream representing Jul 22 12:15:18 ah Jul 22 12:15:40 has anyone followed http://n900-ipv6.garage.maemo.org/ and gotten it to work? I find the docs a bit contradicting when it comes to what APN should be entered where, and what APN I should connect to (v4 and v6 will be attached automatically), or the other way around. Using v6 one in connection manager gives connection error, using v4 one yields to gprs1 Jul 22 12:15:41 ok - if it's sending anything more than 'change frequency' or skew commands to the GPS chip, this can't be correct. Jul 22 12:15:53 well, i'm not sure what is it doing yet Jul 22 12:16:02 i found code pulling data from these servers Jul 22 12:16:10 supl.. Jul 22 12:17:39 can anyone tell me what the MMS internet connection is ? ...it keeps getting in the way of getting online Jul 22 12:17:40 jacekowski: To recap - there are several possible levels the GPS chip might be doing. A) Simply decoding the RF, and running an A/D over the whole stream. The output is something like a 1 bit or 2 bit A/D output at 18Mbaud. This means that rapuyama needs to do all of the 'tuning' in software - everything is virtual, and the GPS chip cannot be meaningfully tuned per satellite. Jul 22 12:18:17 alterego: luke-jr jacekowski: GPS Time is kept as Weeks and Seconds (from Jan. 5 midnight/Jan. 6 morning of 1980.) Jul 22 12:18:36 well, judging from amount of code that's dealing with gps Jul 22 12:18:40 it could be that option A Jul 22 12:18:42 jacekowski: B) The GPS chip can have onboard filters and correlators that lock to satellites, but just export this to the DSP. This offloads all of the ultra-hard-realtime from the DSP, but all of the nasty maths is in the DSP - it has to compute all the orbits. Jul 22 12:19:02 * RST38h moos evilly Jul 22 12:19:26 Sooo, gentlemen, are there changes coming to the Nokia corpseland? Jul 22 12:19:27 well, we can ask TI Jul 22 12:19:38 what's in that chip Jul 22 12:20:53 MTC? Jul 22 12:21:21 DocScrutinizer: not in the stanza I decoded yesterday it isn't :P Jul 22 12:21:39 http://www.colorado.edu/geography/gcraft/notes/gps/clkcor.html Jul 22 12:21:43 DocScrutinizer: though, internally in the cellmo it's probably being converted. Jul 22 12:21:51 yep Jul 22 12:21:54 possible Jul 22 12:22:02 btw. that battery related code i've found Jul 22 12:22:05 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hammerhead/Integrators - jacekowski - this is an example of some reverse engineering and overview of case B. Jul 22 12:22:11 even inside NL5350 Jul 22 12:22:22 it might explain why cellmo dies when bme is stopped Jul 22 12:22:43 uh? Jul 22 12:22:51 it lives for me Jul 22 12:22:56 Does it? Jul 22 12:23:14 jacekowski: http://www.maxim-ic.com/datasheet/index.mvp/id/5241/t/al is an example of class A) Jul 22 12:23:21 cellmo dies on bme stop??? Jul 22 12:23:22 ShadowJK: BTW, I have run iostat for 8+ days now. Jul 22 12:23:29 ShadowJK: it dies on under 3vish Jul 22 12:23:36 i'm not too worried about gps now Jul 22 12:23:42 ShadowJK: Look at the logs does not show any apparent causes for the slowdown Jul 22 12:23:53 RST38h, what kind of params? Jul 22 12:24:05 ShadowJK: But if you (or DocScrutinizer) want the log, I can give it to you for analysis Jul 22 12:24:15 ShadowJK: dumping log every 5 minutes Jul 22 12:24:29 oh that's not very useful or interesting really Jul 22 12:24:40 ShadowJK: What would you like to see instead? Jul 22 12:24:55 swap statistics? Jul 22 12:25:06 Considering the slowdown as rarely more than 2 seconds long, iostat every second is more useful Jul 22 12:25:20 ShadowJK: Won't be able to do that for 8 days :) Jul 22 12:25:32 because then you'd see the peaks where utilization was at 100%, and a snapshot of stats from that particular traffic Jul 22 12:25:39 Sigh Jul 22 12:25:42 I'd expect avg-rq-sz goes down Jul 22 12:25:47 I need to get working on my energy profiler Jul 22 12:25:50 SpeedEvil: what's up? Jul 22 12:25:53 which does the above Jul 22 12:26:00 mhm Jul 22 12:26:02 Too little energy, too many projects. Jul 22 12:26:09 Well you wouldn't have to run it 8 days, you just need a "not slow" and a "jerky" snapshot :P Jul 22 12:27:04 ShadowJK: There is one very strange observation though Jul 22 12:27:30 ShadowJK: For the swap partition, blks_wrtn is way way higher than blks_read, on the average Jul 22 12:27:50 ShadowJK: Looks like it is writing swap madly but reading it rarely Jul 22 12:28:04 that's not surprising Jul 22 12:28:04 That is with swappiness set to 30 Jul 22 12:28:15 stuff gets swapped out that is rarely used Jul 22 12:28:28 there is a large subset of code/data that is never reused. Jul 22 12:28:39 Well it's kind of surprising in that you'd expect with swap caching effects stuff would be read more often than written Jul 22 12:28:41 Yes, but you would expect it to swap it once and keep there, no? Jul 22 12:28:55 ShadowJK: Exactly Jul 22 12:29:17 RST38h: as I understad, it pushes to disk, but may retain it swap-cached. Jul 22 12:29:27 RST38h, what about kilobytes read/written? Jul 22 12:29:34 this means that it's only read if it's required, and if the page has been evicted from swap-cache Jul 22 12:29:47 ShadowJK: That is blocks read/written, multiply by 4k and you get kb Jul 22 12:30:15 RST38h, iostat -m Jul 22 12:31:00 rapuyama talks AT as well Jul 22 12:31:48 proper at Jul 22 12:31:58 well, we know that Jul 22 12:32:04 mine after a day: Blk_read 1317712 Blk_wrtn 576456, MB_read 643, MB_wrtn 281 Jul 22 12:34:02 jacekowski: dump a list!!! Jul 22 12:37:24 ShadowJK: Mine shows 645/475 Jul 22 12:37:50 strange :) Jul 22 12:37:55 oh wait Jul 22 12:37:57 read/written? Jul 22 12:38:16 jacekowski: accepted :-) Jul 22 12:39:25 Hello everyone. Jul 22 12:40:36 ehhh Jul 22 12:40:36 fuck Jul 22 12:40:40 my offsets are wrong again Jul 22 12:43:11 X-Fade, ping Jul 22 12:49:12 God I' starting to hate tmo again. Jul 22 12:49:49 It got better for a while, but now after seeing that "exciting" news thread and such I'm feeling rather depressed again. Jul 22 12:50:08 alterego, example? :D Jul 22 12:50:26 alterego, oops, ment URL :) Jul 22 12:51:03 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=759628#post759628 Jul 22 12:52:25 not that post in particular, i don't even know what it says :) Jul 22 12:52:33 :-D Jul 22 12:53:28 Hmm... received "promotion for extras unlocked" e-mails for 10 of my packages, but none of those is really promotable, server error is only that's been offered when hitting the "promote" -button :-P Jul 22 12:54:05 DocScrutinizer, pong? Jul 22 12:54:47 GAN900: moinmoin Jul 22 12:56:47 Hey GAN900 Jul 22 12:58:47 Okay, I'm going to pick the coosest luser and attack ... Jul 22 12:58:55 closest ... Jul 22 13:00:02 D-Iivil_Work: ping X-Fade Jul 22 13:00:08 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/22/nokia_manifesto_risku/ <-- hmm Jul 22 13:00:27 I found a bug in the super-tester algo last night, so there might be a fix needed for the fix Jul 22 13:01:29 How does one apply to become a super-tester? Jul 22 13:01:51 wtf *is* a super-tester? XD Jul 22 13:01:52 I was planning on going through 20-30 apps today, doing the basic functionality/powertop/... thing. Jul 22 13:01:59 ruskie, plenty of innovation around maemo Jul 22 13:02:11 DocScrutinizer: It's a QA tester, that has been given the power of flight by nokia. Jul 22 13:02:29 yikes Jul 22 13:02:45 * SpeedEvil needs to get his hoverboard built. Jul 22 13:03:05 SpeedEvil: please don't. We still need you Jul 22 13:03:13 :) Jul 22 13:03:20 I lack the $60000 anyway. Jul 22 13:03:35 The N900 is pretty much the reference platform for any R&D projects. Jul 22 13:03:46 Because it's so easy to hack and mod .. Jul 22 13:03:46 lcuk, the article and I guess the book are a good read imho Jul 22 13:03:53 fcam for instance :) Jul 22 13:04:02 lcuk, I have no issues with lack of innovation with the n900 ;) Jul 22 13:04:15 In some ways the docs are the most dissapointing part. Jul 22 13:04:17 lcuk, the absence of symbian makes that rather obvious ;) Jul 22 13:04:37 Pointing out missing stuff that the community could do would be awesome Jul 22 13:04:41 would have been Jul 22 13:05:07 isn't it always the crappy docs? Jul 22 13:05:19 ruskie, there is plenty of innovation tho Jul 22 13:05:36 * DocScrutinizer mumbles dbus Jul 22 13:05:38 I am waiting to be able to install LiqOS on my n900. Jul 22 13:05:46 That will be so cool! Jul 22 13:06:20 * ruskie considers dbus udev and other stuff a step backwards... but that's just me Jul 22 13:06:38 anyway I'm off Jul 22 13:06:39 o_O Jul 22 13:07:04 SpeedEvil, LiqOS hmmm Jul 22 13:07:18 I'm unsure why dbus isn't in the kernel personally Jul 22 13:07:48 Or at least core functionality like 'star' sockets Jul 22 13:08:16 dbus is desktop .. Jul 22 13:08:46 DocScrutinizer: To more sanely anseer the question. Jul 22 13:09:02 I'm not saying it wouldn't be useful in the core OS, but it is meant for desktop. I can't think of any server software that uses dbus. (enterprise server software) Jul 22 13:09:03 Supertesters are worth three times what a normal tester is. Jul 22 13:09:26 They are assumed to have clue. Jul 22 13:14:57 Speed: you mean if I kill 4 supertesters I get 12 points rasther than 4? Jul 22 13:15:16 Speed: are they hard to kill? Will BFG-9000 work? Jul 22 13:15:34 ;-) Jul 22 13:16:00 RST38h, supertesters only become visible on level 2 and above Jul 22 13:16:14 and once you get through them, you reach the end of level boss ( andre__ ) Jul 22 13:16:14 lcuk: that is ok Jul 22 13:16:25 andre is tough indeed Jul 22 13:16:41 FBReader 0.10.7.-13 promoted to Extras Jul 22 13:17:20 where are these download graphs on maemo.org? Jul 22 13:17:55 ~RST38h++ Jul 22 13:18:23 RST38h, any idea why Russia would be so gaa gaa over the latest inverse AR video of mine Jul 22 13:18:39 youtube is showing russia as a strikingly different color to other countries Jul 22 13:19:14 lcuk: That's easy Jul 22 13:19:30 lcuk: A link has been posted to maemos.ru and probably to habrahabr.ru Jul 22 13:19:49 lcuk: Second one is like a Russian version of Slashdot so no wonder Jul 22 13:20:02 ahh and just because theres no real links elsewhere yet Jul 22 13:20:31 its just so different, click on the view count and see the breakdown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM Jul 22 13:20:55 RST38h, thanks though, i didnt know what the sites were cos I couldnt read the language Jul 22 13:21:15 lcuk: http://maemos.ru/2010/07/17/liqbase/ Jul 22 13:22:55 cool thanks Jul 22 13:23:38 lcuk: 4chan isn't real? Jul 22 13:24:04 lol yeah ok Jul 22 13:24:18 SpeedEvil, that thread was really amusing Jul 22 13:24:26 they even came up with a new word! Jul 22 13:24:47 >>The Magic must use magnets. How how do they work????? Jul 22 13:24:47 ITT Maemodynamics Jul 22 13:28:00 Heh Jul 22 13:28:09 magnets, modern magick Jul 22 13:29:36 http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=chromium&os=Maemo5&repo=extras Jul 22 13:29:38 hmm Jul 22 13:31:14 why does it still have some downloads? Jul 22 13:31:56 chromium is removed iirc Jul 22 13:38:33 drizztbsd, why? Jul 22 13:38:46 odd jae Jul 22 13:42:42 jacekowski: last download at like 6th of june? Jul 22 13:44:53 dl statistics as odd as it can get Jul 22 13:48:33 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/22/nokia_manifesto_risku/ Jul 22 13:50:13 Were all versions pulled? Jul 22 13:50:21 Or can you still download old versions? Jul 22 13:51:08 "he was head of Symbian user experience design" Jul 22 13:51:12 oh no Jul 22 13:52:18 :S Jul 22 13:52:40 ?The last job I had at Nokia was head of innovation and ?concepting? ? how to get ideas from concept into real products. Jul 22 13:52:50 (what's wrong with user interfaces btw? why are they experiences?) Jul 22 13:53:55 12 years with nokia communicators and every single one failed to become "real product". all were semi-usable "concepts" (though there was alost no competition so you stuck with it anyways) Jul 22 13:54:37 user experience differs from user interface in that it brings in externalities IMO. Jul 22 13:55:07 For example - if you have a nice shiny beautiful UI, that sucks from a UX POV - as it doesn't work just like the iphone. Jul 22 13:58:47 ?We went to the US with the E-series. Mary McDowell worked with that, but nothing happened, and it ramped down. So there is no Enterprise Solutions anymore. Nothing is managed. McDowell is so high level she doesn't know about the content and the substance.? Jul 22 13:59:06 So Nokia gave up the enterprise? What a shame. It sucks. Jul 22 14:00:31 thats shockingly :( there are so many potential commercial applications and markets for devices \@/ Jul 22 14:04:09 if nokia had reasonable enterprise strategy they could easily beat shit out of RIM Jul 22 14:04:27 everywhere except maybe US and Canada Jul 22 14:04:36 well, the US sucks Jul 22 14:06:21 Arkenoi, everywhere no exceptions Jul 22 14:06:40 kerio, first hand experience there, I guess? :) Jul 22 14:07:01 GAN900: O:) Jul 22 14:09:17 i talked to many people about enterprise email solutions. they always tell me "there is Blackberry, it is easy to deploy". "Do you guys know that Nokia has enterprise email solutions and device provisioning as well? - Huh? Well, never heard of it, everyone just uses BB". Jul 22 14:13:08 Nokia doesn't cater to the US market Jul 22 14:13:22 Nokia support in the US market sucks Jul 22 14:13:32 There's no advertising Jul 22 14:13:48 Updates for US devices come 6 months after the rest of the planet. Jul 22 14:13:49 Who decided to make the internet available to every idiot on the planet :( Jul 22 14:13:58 * alterego blames GAN900 Jul 22 14:14:19 Nokia doesn't poorly in the US because they're either too incompetent/lazy/misguided to do well. Jul 22 14:14:51 they ran a number of n95-3 ads here back when that came out Jul 22 14:14:59 They just don't like the US :P Jul 22 14:15:02 but yeah, that's about it :P Jul 22 14:15:23 Why do you need the US when you've got Europe? Jul 22 14:16:51 not too easy to move a third of the way around the world and try to get a work visa Jul 22 14:17:05 Termana, because we've got money too? Jul 22 14:17:33 And doing poorly in the US affects your perceptions--and, thus, stock prices--everywhere. Jul 22 14:17:39 I said NEED, not WANT. Nokia might WANT more money from the US but they don't NEED it. Jul 22 14:17:58 Yes, well the US sucks. The US tries to export culture Jul 22 14:18:03 If their current performance is any measure, I'd say you're wrong. Jul 22 14:18:10 nah, nokia made a huge blunder in the US Jul 22 14:18:10 OK then. Jul 22 14:18:19 ieatlint, just one? Jul 22 14:18:52 i was on an nokia n80 phone back in 2006.. when the iphone hit in 2007, i had people showing me what "cool new features" their phone supported that mine had been doing for over a year Jul 22 14:18:54 Arkenoi: The guy is talking some sense in the interview though Jul 22 14:19:06 Arkenoi: Symbian or not, he makes sense Jul 22 14:19:06 Termana, the US doesn't TRY to export culture, it's just that it's successful and success tends to bleed over. Jul 22 14:19:15 their advertising was a MAJOR fail, and they lost huge amounts of market share and money for it Jul 22 14:19:35 GAN900: ...and there are no other guys trying to export culture =) Jul 22 14:19:46 and yeah, the US does export culture... want proof? look for a mcdonalds near you, or tell me what the last movie you saw was Jul 22 14:19:54 Although Japanese are starting to do very well lately ;) Jul 22 14:20:21 ieatlint: Mine was Russian. So? Jul 22 14:20:27 * RST38h cackles sadistically Jul 22 14:20:32 Besides, exporting culture spreads peace and prosperity around. Jul 22 14:20:44 RST38h: that's just sad Jul 22 14:21:03 GAN: Not necessarily, I am afraid Jul 22 14:21:08 Bay Watch and McDonalds do more for spreading democracy than any UN stupidity. ;) Jul 22 14:21:12 GAN900: tell that to afghanistan Jul 22 14:21:18 RST38h, in the long wrong. Jul 22 14:21:23 alterego, tell them what? Jul 22 14:21:32 mornin' Jul 22 14:21:39 alterego, military isn't culture. Jul 22 14:21:46 That spreading US culture spreads peace and prosperity ... Jul 22 14:21:56 GAN: You know, for example, where Russian teenagers learned the word "nigger" from? Take a wild guess ;) Jul 22 14:21:57 what? Jul 22 14:22:00 lol Jul 22 14:22:03 * ieatlint makes no such claim and quietly backs out of this conversation Jul 22 14:23:04 GAN: and of course there is a lot more examples like that, I have just given you the most blatant one Jul 22 14:23:32 i think we shouldn't try and spread our ideals on others.. as long as they aren't trying to kill me i have no issue with them. Jul 22 14:23:57 but if they kill us fuck it blow up their whole country and just be done with it Jul 22 14:24:49 i think this whole playing nice thing is weak.. we should of just blow up all of the middle east and been done with it long ago.. no one would of cared. Jul 22 14:24:55 ech0Asus: you'd punish a whole country mass murdering potentially millionsm because a couple of people want to hurt you? That's pathetic ... Jul 22 14:25:20 ech0Asus: I think a lot of people would have cared. Jul 22 14:25:21 they want us or them so give it to them Jul 22 14:25:23 i think ech0Asus is right, let's take those texas fuckers out Jul 22 14:25:34 Anyway, no politics in #maemo please ... Jul 22 14:25:50 You know the rules :P Jul 22 14:26:04 our country is ran by pussies.. we should of blown them all up Jul 22 14:26:10 bah, i'm an american, rules are for the rest of you Jul 22 14:26:19 Heh Jul 22 14:26:27 RST38h, yes, because nobody was rascist before 1776? ;) Jul 22 14:26:29 ech0Asus: seriously stfu Jul 22 14:26:54 ech0Asus, entangling foreign engagements. Jul 22 14:27:01 ech0Asus, we don't need them. Jul 22 14:27:23 e/w 18 Jul 22 14:27:39 Anyway, point is, there's nobody to blame for Nokia doing poorly in the US but Nokia. Jul 22 14:28:05 lets blow up nokia, that seems to solve everything Jul 22 14:29:45 Kegetys, GTFO theres no need for such talk, joking or not Jul 22 14:31:20 lcuk: nokia is more valuable than the whole middle east? Jul 22 14:31:37 If my application requires som external libraries for execution, are they required to be installed specifically in scratchbox even if they are already installed on my system ? Jul 22 14:31:44 Kegetys, it may depend on whether we get upper management in the blast or not. . . . :rolleyes: Jul 22 14:32:03 Kegetys, who's blowing up the whole middle east? Jul 22 14:32:05 akssps011, scratchbox is a computer within a computer Jul 22 14:32:10 akssps011: yes, if you're compiling against them they need to be linked. Jul 22 14:32:13 i'd much rather prefer the quicker route then the long drown out route we've taken.. stick and move.. don't occupy.. Jul 22 14:32:21 yes, if dependencies are required inside, what you have outside is not taken into account Jul 22 14:32:22 akssps011: unless you're using dlopen :) Jul 22 14:32:32 ech0Asus seems to think it would be a good solution Jul 22 14:33:11 ech0Asus: is an idiot racist. Jul 22 14:33:25 alterego, interesting conclusion. Jul 22 14:33:42 * GAN900 didn't realize "Middle Eastern" was a race. Jul 22 14:33:55 i'm not racist i just prefer quick direct action such as blowing up a good chunk of the middle east all together rather then this long drawn out bullshit were stuck in.. Jul 22 14:33:56 This is why we don't talk about politics here. Jul 22 14:34:06 GAN900: you're trolling :P Jul 22 14:34:14 alterego: lcuk: my app requires qt libraries and gpsd,(they are already on my system). So I need to install them in scratchbox also ? Jul 22 14:34:28 akssps011: yes Jul 22 14:34:39 alterego, not, I just favor rationality in rejection of viewpoints one disagrees with. Jul 22 14:34:51 * lcuk wonders whether anyone ever listens ;) Jul 22 14:34:55 alterego: ah ok....so much work still to do then :) Jul 22 14:35:16 Okay, he sounds like a racist :) because he sounds like a nazi nationalist. Jul 22 14:35:20 Or a texan ... Jul 22 14:35:35 im texan Jul 22 14:35:45 I'm not a racist - I hate everyone equally :) Jul 22 14:35:50 Well, there's my answer I guess. Jul 22 14:35:59 tybollt: my sentiments Jul 22 14:36:15 haha, texan... Jul 22 14:36:19 ^.^ Jul 22 14:36:20 called that correctly Jul 22 14:36:24 fuck yeah Jul 22 14:36:26 alterego, yeah, don't reveal your own bias so quickly. :) Jul 22 14:36:32 Image authentication OK Jul 22 14:36:54 they assume we wont just blow them all up one day... they keep this shit up one of us texans will get back in power and we wont pussyfoot around like bush.. Jul 22 14:37:22 GAN900: I thought it was popular knowledge the avg Texan is a racist homophobic nationalist. Jul 22 14:37:43 alterego, and everybody from the UK is gay and has bad teeth? Jul 22 14:37:51 say what you want were just the ones with the balls to do what you aint man enough to do. Jul 22 14:37:59 sigh... Jul 22 14:38:01 no, they're not all gay, but they do have terrible food Jul 22 14:38:06 GAN900: well, probably. Jul 22 14:38:08 And everyone from Australia says G'day Mate Jul 22 14:38:18 we got an express lane to our death penalty we don't care here Jul 22 14:38:22 alterego, :P Jul 22 14:38:22 Wait hold on that doesn't work... thats true! :P Jul 22 14:38:41 ech0Asus: if go and do it then. Show the world your ballz. Jul 22 14:38:47 I just read an article about Juggalos...I wonder why I recalled that right now Jul 22 14:38:48 alterego, anyway, my point is that broad-brush stereotype painting doesn't tend to serve anybody well. :P Jul 22 14:39:01 joga: haha Jul 22 14:39:05 how do magnets work, anyway.. Jul 22 14:39:12 bush was weak Jul 22 14:39:22 why didnt you blow him up Jul 22 14:39:30 would have solved it! Jul 22 14:39:30 the reptilians don't need to rush things Jul 22 14:39:39 GAN900, well once you start with the broad brush dissing everyone at nokia for not caring - then what are people to do Jul 22 14:39:43 GAN900: I agree. But ech0Asus is a stereotype :P Jul 22 14:39:47 joga, have you checked your chakras today? Jul 22 14:39:51 Don't we have something better to talk about than politics and blowing people up? Jul 22 14:40:00 GAN900, I borrowed them to a friend Jul 22 14:40:07 should of attacked harder and been done with it Jul 22 14:40:18 was a weak compaign and has taken too long Jul 22 14:40:49 ech0Asus: you went in as hard as you thought you needed too, it was the arrogance that meant you lost. Jul 22 14:41:08 i for one and truly thankful that i was not born in texas Jul 22 14:41:08 ech0Asus: sign up then. Show people your balls. Jul 22 14:41:19 bleh, am truly Jul 22 14:41:24 Hah, agreed. Jul 22 14:41:30 you can't change anything if you sign up then your just a tool Jul 22 14:41:31 lcuk, I dissed Nokia as a company. Jul 22 14:41:37 oh, here's the article if anyone else wants to read it http://www.viceland.com/int/v14n10/htdocs/land_of_juggalos.php Jul 22 14:41:41 lcuk, not every individual in said company. Jul 22 14:41:48 you want to change something you have to be a politician Jul 22 14:41:50 lcuk, revisionism serves noone well. Jul 22 14:42:50 i have respect for people who sign up. i have family there.. they can't change anything they are just a forced to be there.. Jul 22 14:43:19 ech0Asus: that's exactly what they want you to think. Who's the pussy, you or the olitician. Beacause it sounds like you're being a bit of a hipocrite ... Jul 22 14:43:24 GAN900, then stop broad brushing a whole company - it upsets those that are trying hard to make a difference Jul 22 14:43:33 they have to change it themselves.. we should of been gone until we leave they can't rebuild Jul 22 14:43:56 ech0Asus: you shouldn't have gone in to begin with. Jul 22 14:43:56 but that's not the agenda is it Jul 22 14:44:02 if they rebuild and come at us againt hen we blow them the fuck up again.. Jul 22 14:44:08 WE Jul 22 14:44:11 i'm starting to think he's really just trolling Jul 22 14:44:16 Heh, Jul 22 14:44:16 if not ... well, that's just sad Jul 22 14:44:27 internet is often sad and full of dumb Jul 22 14:44:40 alterego: lcuk: When I run sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list, I get error: sudo: must be setuid root Jul 22 14:44:53 911 was @tragedy, but the US is culpable for being so complacent about it. Jul 22 14:45:16 ech0Asus: you've got a nigger president Jul 22 14:45:17 no we shouldn't of went to iraq.. but afghanistan we should of and we should of blown the shit out of it and then been gone Jul 22 14:45:25 alterego: lcuk: I run it in [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] Jul 22 14:45:26 ech0Asus: you're not allowed to say anything Jul 22 14:45:36 btw, why do people say "should of" instead of "should have" Jul 22 14:45:47 i didn't vote for him Jul 22 14:45:58 isn't that what started it, making a mess of afghanistan during the cold war Jul 22 14:45:59 joga: that's not proper english Jul 22 14:46:02 joga: palin education Jul 22 14:46:10 ech0Asus: why do you think you should have gone to afghanistan? Jul 22 14:46:24 Kegetys: exactly ... Jul 22 14:46:26 akssps011, try fakeroot instead of sudo, scratchbox is not just a regular chroot, and you should be reading the dev guide Jul 22 14:46:37 or even better Jul 22 14:46:41 ech0Asus: do you know that only thing americans were able to prove to saddam was that his army killed 50 civilians Jul 22 14:46:42 edit your source as user Jul 22 14:46:44 The US general public don't even realise it's their own fault .. Jul 22 14:46:48 lcuk, the COMPANY clearly doesn't care. Jul 22 14:46:54 Well, their leaders fault. Jul 22 14:47:04 i said we shouldn't go to iraq jace.. Jul 22 14:47:06 lcuk, I'm sorry you're working for a company that doesn't, but that's not really my problem. Jul 22 14:47:09 ech0Asus: do you know that american army killed 10000x more civilians Jul 22 14:47:14 bin laden was in afghanistan Jul 22 14:47:24 lcuk, you should know I don't lump everybody in the same basket. Jul 22 14:47:26 and who gave bin laden his power? Jul 22 14:47:27 we let him escape Jul 22 14:47:35 ech0Asus: Bin Laden is a cartoon character. Jul 22 14:47:43 jacekowski, the terrorist's have clearly succeeded, then. Jul 22 14:48:05 He's a fictitious leader your gov't used as a label to make you think that an organisation called Al Queda exists Jul 22 14:48:25 you deny the existance of it? Jul 22 14:48:29 lol aight Jul 22 14:48:33 lcuk: ok, fakeroot worked :) Jul 22 14:48:38 thats very open minded Jul 22 14:48:45 alterego, denialism? Jul 22 14:48:51 Hah, whatever .. Jul 22 14:48:53 i bet you deny the holocaust too huh Jul 22 14:48:58 ech0Asus, Kegetys alterego ---------------------------------------- Jul 22 14:49:00 Hahah Jul 22 14:49:01 subject change Jul 22 14:49:29 I'm going to make a sandwich ... Jul 22 14:49:42 remember to use fakeroot Jul 22 14:49:52 alterego, sudo make me a sandwich Jul 22 14:49:53 fakeroot make sandwich Jul 22 14:51:06 lcuk, who's the guy who always jumps in to tell people not to blame Maemo Devices for the idiocy up top? Jul 22 14:51:32 GAN900: not really Jul 22 14:51:41 GAN900: terrorists only want to kill americans Jul 22 14:51:48 jacekowski, is that a fact? Jul 22 14:52:00 GAN900: well, i don't have anythign against that Jul 22 14:52:04 jacekowski, I might ask France for their opinion on that one. Jul 22 14:52:24 have them pick between an american and a hatchet or 10 pounds of food and we'll see Jul 22 14:52:56 With a hatchet, you can always get 100 pounds of food from someone. Jul 22 14:53:10 ok, the hatchet will break after one use ;) Jul 22 14:53:23 SpeedEvil, yeah, but top predators are full of heavy metals. Jul 22 14:53:26 (and the american will take it back unless you take it) Jul 22 14:53:34 s/take it/chop the american/ Jul 22 14:53:35 joga meant: (and the american will chop the american back unless you take it) Jul 22 14:53:40 heh Jul 22 14:53:45 GAN900: Especially lead, if you don't use a hatchet. Jul 22 14:56:26 Nice antiamerican flame you have got here. Jul 22 14:56:32 * RST38h goes for more popcorn Jul 22 14:58:16 and they are stupid cunts Jul 22 14:58:25 The "Nokia has exciting news" thread has me on the edge of my seat Jul 22 14:58:29 jacekowski, classy. Jul 22 14:58:40 What? News not exciting enough? Jul 22 14:58:45 jacekowski, shall I classify that as a personal attack? Jul 22 14:58:56 A bit too late, like 6 months too late? =) Jul 22 14:58:57 RST38h: that's fuinny comming from a ruskie :P Jul 22 14:59:17 tybollt: I am well beyond national affiliations Jul 22 14:59:18 GAN900: what exciting news? Care to link me? :) Jul 22 14:59:32 But can always appreciate a good flame Jul 22 14:59:44 Agreed. Jul 22 15:00:11 RST38h, it's bound to end in disappointment. Jul 22 15:00:22 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58884 Jul 22 15:00:25 GAN900: 1st meego device Jul 22 15:00:52 fcam? Jul 22 15:00:53 Ahaha Jul 22 15:00:59 I love Nokia's marketing Jul 22 15:01:06 They're so clueless. Jul 22 15:01:06 GAN: True Jul 22 15:01:15 But they have to market SOMETHING, right? Jul 22 15:01:32 did i told everyone about my journey to US embassy Jul 22 15:01:42 GAN900: ta Jul 22 15:02:01 And by now, they have got some really psyched customers Jul 22 15:02:16 jacekowski: Were you shot at by the Marines? Jul 22 15:02:32 jacekowski: Have you got strip searched? Jul 22 15:02:56 jacekowski: May we hope for an anal cavity search, maybe? =) Jul 22 15:03:27 hi guys! Jul 22 15:03:44 no, bitch there, without asking question, just decided that i'm not going to get a visa Jul 22 15:04:11 who is behind the facebrick app? Jul 22 15:04:16 I wouldn't give you a visa, either. Jul 22 15:04:47 you must be american then Jul 22 15:04:59 jacekowski: Some weird Pole, probably seeking to immigrate Jul 22 15:05:16 jacekowski: No visa for you. What if you marry an American? Jul 22 15:05:28 hell no Jul 22 15:05:29 too fat Jul 22 15:05:32 Shit, what if you GIVE BIRTH to an American? Noo, you are not getting a visa. Jul 22 15:05:54 i would rather jump off the bridge than give birth to american Jul 22 15:06:37 ~seen w00t_ Jul 22 15:06:38 w00t_ is currently on #maemo (5d 3m 45s) #meego (5d 3m 45s). Has said a total of 27 messages. Is idling for 19h 3m 1s, last said: 'ShadowJK: never mind, phones under £500 don't exist'. Jul 22 15:06:45 That good American gal who refused you a visa probably got promoted to a DHS supervisor just for filtering you out Jul 22 15:08:14 * DocScrutinizer considers popcorn as well Jul 22 15:09:12 She didn't need to ask you questions. Jul 22 15:09:20 The CIA already knows everything about you. Jul 22 15:09:47 they just idle here and log Jul 22 15:10:03 What's the relationship between fcam and BlessN900? Since the latter seems to predate the former by a good few weeks but does everything I read in the "exciting" press release Jul 22 15:10:03 Of course, it being America, one wonders how anyone at the INS ever found out. Jul 22 15:10:08 *how Jul 22 15:10:24 Jaffa: No relationship Jul 22 15:10:46 Jaffa: Two different projects, one is a tool for making photos, another is a photo framework + a few sample tools Jul 22 15:11:01 INS is no more Jul 22 15:11:10 It is BSCIS, part of DHC now Jul 22 15:11:20 DHS, sorry. Jul 22 15:11:29 RST38h: That's what I suspected. Which makes the "exciting" even less exciting when someone did it themselves, without said framework, weeks ago. Jul 22 15:11:35 You mean USCIS? Jul 22 15:11:56 Yea, shit, I am forgetting those names Jul 22 15:12:09 Well, "BS" is probably appropriate. Jul 22 15:12:23 For simplicity, let us just call them VROE Jul 22 15:12:27 GAN900: uhm wtf is that? Ok that seems like a fairly nice app - so what? What is the "exciting news"? Jul 22 15:12:44 WROE -> welfare recipient opportunity employer Jul 22 15:15:14 Jaffa: FCam is actually a more abitious project Jul 22 15:15:37 Jaffa: With the right UI and all features under one app, it will make a killer camera app Jul 22 15:17:01 RST38h: especially with plugin support and good UX with a polished look & feel. Jul 22 15:17:48 tybollt, Nokia's marketing building up people up for no reason. Jul 22 15:18:39 alterego: I would prefer UI to plugins Jul 22 15:18:53 alterego: there is still a limited set of things you can or need to do with photos Jul 22 15:19:45 Yeah, if I was a more learned hptographer I'd probably have a go at that app myself. Jul 22 15:21:17 alterego: What prevents you? Writing an app has nothing to do with photography Jul 22 15:21:42 well, it does Jul 22 15:21:46 alterego: You know what settings are available there, and what algorithms. Present them to the user in the best way, and you have got a killer app Jul 22 15:22:12 I was sort of thinking that myself. Jul 22 15:22:19 Jaffa: I found both blessn900 (0.29 and 0.31) and fcam being inferior to PR1.2 genuine cam Jul 22 15:22:45 And I do have a little knowldge in optics I wolrked in CCTV for Tyco for over two years :) Jul 22 15:23:28 lcuk talked me into doing a more comprehensive test on all three, eventually. preliminary results on ovi/joerg900 Jul 22 15:24:49 Jaffa, RST38h DocScrutinizer - whatever the technical results, one thing is clear: innovation and new principles are coming through. Jul 22 15:25:06 yep, no doubt Jul 22 15:25:09 the fcam project is the nicest imho, because it is open source Jul 22 15:25:25 lcuk: You are starting to talk like Texrat :) Jul 22 15:25:31 blessn900 is a closed source port of another cam project elsewhere Jul 22 15:25:39 RST38h, GTFO Jul 22 15:26:34 * RST38h feeds lcuk bacon Jul 22 15:26:46 hah Jul 22 15:27:21 lcuk: Indeed. Jul 22 15:27:39 mmm bacon Jul 22 15:28:33 GAN900: Like "zOMG Apple is getting so much BUZZ out there - we need to do something - quick!"? :) Jul 22 15:29:35 Apple's buzz/noise is no new thing. It just all souunds like boring static to me. Jul 22 15:29:57 I don't actually understand how their marketting works. But I'm not a meerkattier. Jul 22 15:30:12 tybollt: Rather "well, these are first guys i a while who do somethign new with n900, let us present them as a surprise" Jul 22 15:30:43 RST38h: one of them is Nokia R&D Jul 22 15:30:59 The project is pushed by Nokiia too. Jul 22 15:31:12 They supplied hardware etc. Jul 22 15:31:19 Maybe even funding. Jul 22 15:31:40 alterego: Nokia R&D is how they found out about the project, of course :) Jul 22 15:32:12 alterego: If *you* did something like that, it would not be marketed by Nokia Jul 22 15:32:16 Indeedly Jul 22 15:32:44 oh god, this conversation is still going on? Jul 22 15:33:02 RST38h: hehehe :) Jul 22 15:33:33 * slonopotamus doesn't understand what's going on Jul 22 15:35:00 my n900 just died Jul 22 15:35:02 >:( Jul 22 15:35:13 or rather, cant get it too charge/boot up after charging Jul 22 15:35:25 only tried via USB though.. Jul 22 15:35:30 anyone had similar problems? Jul 22 15:36:11 Did you leave it connected to pc? Jul 22 15:36:26 flashn: use the wall socket charger Jul 22 15:36:37 flashn: let it charge for ATLEAST two hours Jul 22 15:36:44 then try to turn it on Jul 22 15:36:50 yeah, gonna try that Jul 22 15:37:01 ShadowJK, nope Jul 22 15:37:14 more like Im always out of battery so its probably just way-way drained Jul 22 15:37:17 >:D Jul 22 15:38:03 as i recall, the phone can't boot without enough battery power to sustain the boot process... so definitely don't bother trying to turn it on Jul 22 15:38:58 give it power for 30 minutes or so then try booting again Jul 22 15:39:33 that didnt help, I have had it connected to my laptop for 1-2 hours now Jul 22 15:39:57 is the charging led flashing? Jul 22 15:40:02 connected it to the wall Jul 22 15:40:05 yes, but irregulary Jul 22 15:40:09 s/connected/connect Jul 22 15:40:20 thanks, gtg Jul 22 15:41:13 irregulary? any short flashes of the led? short, possibly dim blinks Jul 22 15:42:57 sjk: there ought to be a led blink decipher diagram some place Jul 22 15:43:13 or is it praps regular morse code? ;-P Jul 22 15:44:22 it's just the the charger has direct connection to the LED through its stat pin, and will announce fault with a 200microsecond pulse, which can be seen on the led if you look for it Jul 22 15:45:01 can be seen when you unplug charger Jul 22 15:45:21 that'd be the "input undervoltage fault" blink ;p Jul 22 15:52:30 word Jul 22 15:52:33 hello Jul 22 15:54:01 20 goto 10 Jul 22 16:04:22 flashn: forget USB. Use Nokia original wallcharger! charge for 30min, do NOT try to boot, after 30 min amber steady LED will go out -> replug charger to N900 and do another cycle (though usually should boot before first cycle finished) Jul 22 16:05:55 flashn: irregular flashing of amber indicator most probably means your PC host got issues with charging the N900. It won't work anyway on flat battery, so use genuine charger! Jul 22 16:06:55 n900 is not designed to recover from deep discharge on arbitraty power source Jul 22 16:07:19 DocScrutinizer: hmmm Jul 22 16:07:29 DocScrutinizer: i found charging code in rapuyama Jul 22 16:07:41 needs a decent usb dedicated charger compliant with most recent USB chaging supplement Jul 22 16:08:41 jacekowski: no wonder, rapuyama is designed for standalone systems, without any application processor or PMU/chargerchip Jul 22 16:08:58 you'll probably even find videodrivers Jul 22 16:11:25 DocScrutinizer: and code is direct copy&paste from bme Jul 22 16:11:33 DocScrutinizer: or other way round Jul 22 16:11:39 MUHAHAHA lol Jul 22 16:12:04 that's why rapuyama needs BSI Jul 22 16:12:16 the most funny case of c&P coding and cargocult implicit I heard of for years Jul 22 16:13:03 I'd bet it's cellmo=father bme=son Jul 22 16:13:27 toldya I heard bme is like 10 years old Jul 22 16:13:34 full of cruft Jul 22 16:13:34 btw. strings on that code will reveal some other shit as well Jul 22 16:13:47 and generally nobody knows what's going on in it Jul 22 16:13:47 like names of all networks Jul 22 16:14:25 networks like in...? Jul 22 16:14:30 t-mobile Jul 22 16:14:31 o2 Jul 22 16:14:34 that sort of Jul 22 16:14:37 duh, that's lame Jul 22 16:15:12 I knew there are like 3 or 4 sources of network name, modem firmware just one of them Jul 22 16:15:31 there are couple more things Jul 22 16:16:10 then you usually got a table in userspace as well, and network itself sends 2 versions every once in a while: shortname and fullname Jul 22 16:16:47 old technology... tsk tsk Jul 22 16:17:09 kerio: gsm is like >20 years old Jul 22 16:17:18 yeah Jul 22 16:17:36 and thus needs a whole subsystem of crust Jul 22 16:17:44 *ft Jul 22 16:17:54 you bet it does Jul 22 16:17:57 oh yeah Jul 22 16:17:58 bt stac Jul 22 16:18:04 bt stack** Jul 22 16:18:07 toldya Jul 22 16:18:22 you'll also find USB stack and drivers Jul 22 16:18:48 let's run everything on it Jul 22 16:18:49 yeah, but that's used Jul 22 16:18:55 disable the main cpu Jul 22 16:19:02 awesome powersaving Jul 22 16:19:13 btw those are *probably* even in use, as I guess some of the testpoints are LV-USB to rapuyama Jul 22 16:19:14 that wouldn't be bad idea Jul 22 16:19:28 i mean like mosixlike thing Jul 22 16:19:49 so when there is no requirement for loads of processing power everything is moved to rapuyama Jul 22 16:19:58 and main cpu powered down Jul 22 16:20:04 and back when more power is requried Jul 22 16:20:09 we thought about that on FR Jul 22 16:20:15 Jaffa: bless is closed, fcam is FOSS Jul 22 16:20:30 alas the ARM cores are incompatible, and so is the OS Jul 22 16:20:54 DocScrutinizer: virtualisation Jul 22 16:20:59 and rapuyama is omap based Jul 22 16:21:04 * DocScrutinizer cackles Jul 22 16:21:08 so it has to be compatible Jul 22 16:21:22 i found smartreflex drivers Jul 22 16:21:25 not too sure about that Jul 22 16:21:47 unless rapuyama controlls other omap chip Jul 22 16:21:57 because omap chips are only chips with smartreflex Jul 22 16:22:17 I'd expect it to be a much smaller CPU ARM core, with 'older' instruction set Jul 22 16:22:49 explain smartreflex drivers then Jul 22 16:23:21 OMAP doesn't mean cortex-A8 Jul 22 16:23:35 https://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=14223 Jul 22 16:23:35 well, it's compatible enough Jul 22 16:23:35 Bug 14223: was not found. Jul 22 16:23:36 * timeless_mbp sighs Jul 22 16:23:37 garage.... Jul 22 16:23:51 didn't they buy new servers like last year? Jul 22 16:23:58 timeless_mbp: what's wrong with solaris? Jul 22 16:24:06 it shouldn't take 15 seconds to log in and display the news page Jul 22 16:24:10 the sad thing is, that a 1 character change change took 6 months Jul 22 16:24:11 ok, now it's time to pray Jul 22 16:24:19 which is still 3x faster than the time it'd take here @nokia Jul 22 16:24:26 and that's if it gets fixed at all Jul 22 16:24:49 * DocScrutinizer shouts for a virgin to sacrifice Jul 22 16:26:06 time to hack some serial Jul 22 16:26:08 timeless_mbp: heh, starhash got 'official' Nokia ITSFIXEDNOW approval, so what do you complain about XP Jul 22 16:26:25 what's starhash? Jul 22 16:26:33 ussd Jul 22 16:26:55 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=756257#post756257 Jul 22 16:27:41 bug #8830 Jul 22 16:27:41 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8830 Dialer does not accept MMI codes (*#) from 3GPP TS 22.030 Jul 22 16:27:44 I tried apt-get install libgps-dev in scratchbox, but it says couldn't find package.. the same works fine outside scratchbox. How can I resolve this ? Jul 22 16:28:43 btw could "someone" please fix that friggin cert on bugs.maemo.org. I mean you know it'll expire one day, didn't you? Jul 22 16:28:54 X-Fade: ^^^ Jul 22 16:29:03 good day again Jul 22 16:29:30 DocScrutinizer, like I said yesterday. It's a not-so-subtle hint that it's not worth your time to file bugs. :P Jul 22 16:29:52 mhm Jul 22 16:30:42 nevertheless I found it funny Naba Kumar (Nokia) announced starhash on ticket 8830, not me Jul 22 16:31:01 so maybe not completely worthless Jul 22 16:32:25 So, do I need to add any repo to sources.list (I am using kubuntu 10.04) for scratchbox given the face that the package I am trying to install is in repository Jul 22 16:32:38 Can anyone advise on that ? Jul 22 16:33:48 GAN900: the simple fact that anyone would let a certificate expire is quite scary though Jul 22 16:33:55 Oh my that was horrible Jul 22 16:33:59 GAN900: don't Nokia do stuff like security and stuff? Jul 22 16:34:02 crashanddie, mmm Jul 22 16:34:04 Just had my abscess "lanced" .. Jul 22 16:34:11 I feel about 2 pounds lighter Jul 22 16:34:31 alterego, why the hell are you keep an abcess? Jul 22 16:34:35 There was blood, puss, guts, screaming. I thought people were dying Jul 22 16:34:52 GAN900: I'll be pissing myself when the repo certs expire :P Jul 22 16:34:52 I've only had it a few days. Jul 22 16:35:14 But the antibiotics weren't bringing it down enough. So I went in today to get it drained. Jul 22 16:35:25 Ouch Jul 22 16:35:29 As I can't really operate feeling like I've got a golf ball in my mouth Jul 22 16:35:37 alterego, well, hopefully you feel better soon. Jul 22 16:35:41 why do you need "to get it drained"? Jul 22 16:35:42 Yeah Jul 22 16:35:47 just stick in a needle in and push Jul 22 16:35:56 Hehe Jul 22 16:36:01 I literally walked out the dentist five minutes ago, still got the guass in my mouth Jul 22 16:36:05 GAN900: can I make you jealous about my ISP, just a tiny bit more? Jul 22 16:36:20 crashanddie_, dunno, I got 40/5 at home. Jul 22 16:36:33 GAN900: I have a static IP at home, which kinda sucks when watching things on megavideo and stuff Jul 22 16:37:15 GAN900: but, they launched a "sharing service" where I can log in to other networks using a personal identifier (so, if I'm somewhere in the city, and need to connect, I can) Jul 22 16:37:20 now, here's the beauty Jul 22 16:37:37 I can connect to my own access point, using those codes... And everytime I do, I get a brand new IP address, session-based :D Jul 22 16:39:00 but that's not all. I can watch 300 TV channels, as soon as I'm connected to the access points. And as soon as I have wifi, I call for free :) Jul 22 16:39:49 Heck, I can rip buffy the vampire slayer in russian with polish subtitles using my n900! Jul 22 16:39:51 but: does it blend?? Jul 22 16:40:43 DocScrutinizer: $5k+ thanks to the bidding wars between the three companies. Fourth company coming into play too. Jul 22 16:41:32 you're in a mood to make everybody hate you today? Jul 22 16:41:42 oh yes :) Jul 22 16:42:00 It's my clarkson-face. Jul 22 16:42:01 Hi Again ! Jul 22 16:43:43 does it s me ? or there isn t any good todo apps for n900 ? Jul 22 16:46:06 I ve the feeling there is less and less dev talk on mailing list, forum, irc ... Jul 22 16:50:42 crashanddie_: congrats anyway Jul 22 16:50:45 khertan_n900: Lynoure was making one Jul 22 16:51:22 hi Khertan, why not SSH to your (home) server and using the todo.sh script from lifehacker/Gina there? That's what I'm doing .. Jul 22 16:51:29 hum ? did you have a name ? Jul 22 16:54:08 huh? Jul 22 16:59:16 * mgedmin is using Conboy for his todos Jul 22 16:59:23 or not using it, more often Jul 22 17:11:51 DocScrutinizer: how goes BME replacement? Jul 22 17:12:03 getting bme_RX-51 running in Gentoo seems not easily done Jul 22 17:12:20 you bet it's not Jul 22 17:13:20 hal-addon-bme (for bat chrge state etc) not even planned. For charging you found a script written by pancake that should do for now Jul 22 17:13:25 same goes for ubuntu Jul 22 17:13:50 indeed, it only needs a led indicator and a USB detection part Jul 22 17:14:04 first part was taken care of, i'll youtube it later Jul 22 17:14:18 I'm idly about to throw together some bits respeting that Jul 22 17:14:20 basically, 0-255-0 for all LEDS Jul 22 17:14:27 DocScrutinizer: I thought you wrote it? Jul 22 17:14:41 orly? Jul 22 17:15:00 ... Jul 22 17:15:02 lol Jul 22 17:15:09 didn't you? Jul 22 17:15:34 sarcasm doesn't perform well on IRC Jul 22 17:15:45 it's ok Jul 22 17:15:54 if my battery explodes, I'll flatten the pancake instead of you Jul 22 17:15:57 :) Jul 22 17:16:12 luke-jr: no worries, won't happen Jul 22 17:16:43 DocScrutinizer: any idea on getting Ofono working too? Jul 22 17:16:57 no (not yet?) Jul 22 17:17:19 probably will support FSO instead :-P Jul 22 17:18:14 the middleware framework which ofono refused to pick up / join / collaborate as they claimed "it's just a stupid way to talk AT to modem" OWTTE Jul 22 17:19:42 FSO? Jul 22 17:19:47 (now it seems like trophy for limited functionality / scope is clearly awarded not to fso) Jul 22 17:20:07 freesmartphone.org Jul 22 17:24:14 when I asked in #meego-meeting about evaluation and decision oFono vs FSO, I was told "we'll stick with oFono for first release, you're free to contribute with patches later, to improve architecture". So meh Jul 22 17:25:10 NIH screwit Jul 22 17:29:05 What's FSO? Jul 22 17:30:36 alterego: http://freesmartphone.org/ Jul 22 17:30:36 http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/354124/new_kraken_gsm-cracking_software_released/ Jul 22 17:30:41 On GSM. Jul 22 17:30:58 alterego: aka "better oFono which was already there before oFono" :P Jul 22 17:31:11 Heh Jul 22 17:31:51 btw, i can't find any proper documentation to oFono's dbus API Jul 22 17:32:09 only txt files in git repo, which suck in readability Jul 22 17:32:50 DocScrutinizer: well, if FSO's git worked, it sounds like they have data working, which is all I need... Jul 22 17:33:09 Isn't ofono telepathy? Jul 22 17:33:14 no Jul 22 17:33:22 telepathy is middleware Jul 22 17:34:04 I wish someone had a good telepathy client Jul 22 17:34:12 at the current rate, I'm going to have to write one :P Jul 22 17:34:29 Heh Jul 22 17:34:37 It's too fluid to nail down :/ Jul 22 17:35:30 Telepathy-Qt4 includes an example apparently capable of video calls Jul 22 17:35:34 so it might not be too hard Jul 22 17:35:49 Heh, so ofono.org's idea of docs is a system overview diagram? :D Jul 22 17:36:11 is the wiki running really slow? Jul 22 17:36:32 alterego: what do you mean fluid? Jul 22 17:36:49 harden the fsck up - most telepathy changes for the past 3-4 /years/ have been additive Jul 22 17:36:55 alterego: that's what I said :p Jul 22 17:36:55 Robot101: moving about like a fidgitty kid Jul 22 17:36:58 if anything we're /too/ stable Jul 22 17:37:07 alterego: their git code *does* have some minimal docs tho Jul 22 17:37:10 we need to deprecate a bunch of stuff Jul 22 17:37:16 At least that's what I see telepathy, the interesting parts are changing Jul 22 17:37:19 the spec is not minimal, it's too long :P Jul 22 17:37:35 Most of the examples don't work because things have changed and no one bothered to update the examples. Jul 22 17:37:44 So the example code and docs aren't always in sync Jul 22 17:37:44 Robot101: the thing that annoys me about Telepathy is the glib dependencies >:O Jul 22 17:38:03 I don't *want* glib *installed* Jul 22 17:38:12 luke-jr: why not? glib is cool :P Jul 22 17:38:20 ofono uses glib, you need to, er, get over it. sorry. :P Jul 22 17:38:26 luke-jr, i am surprised you even use a computer Jul 22 17:38:31 alterego: glib is garbage Jul 22 17:38:34 Symbian has glib :) Jul 22 17:38:37 Robot101: FSO? Jul 22 17:38:40 luke-jr: how is it garbage? Jul 22 17:38:48 alterego: it's part of the GTK/GNOME stack Jul 22 17:38:54 you do realise python can't even use d-bus without glib? Jul 22 17:38:57 luke-jr: it's the base of the stack Jul 22 17:39:02 Robot101: Python is crap too Jul 22 17:39:07 FSO is Python Jul 22 17:39:09 luke-jr: don't bring desktop wars into this Jul 22 17:39:11 alterego: it's got a slow select loop Jul 22 17:39:19 * Robot101 might take felipec's approach to this conversation actually Jul 22 17:39:22 luke-jr: then use select .. Jul 22 17:39:24 alterego: and it hijacks C Jul 22 17:39:26 luke-jr is a known and effective g* troll Jul 22 17:39:38 :/ Jul 22 17:39:40 FSO is Python??? wtf? :( Jul 22 17:39:44 Bit stupid if you ask me. Jul 22 17:39:48 telepathy is primarily a d-bus API - if you want to not use glib please write new backends in Qt Jul 22 17:39:51 we're happy to help Jul 22 17:39:56 I like gnome, and I don't like KDE, but I don't mind Qt. Jul 22 17:40:04 And Qt is much larger than glib. Jul 22 17:40:08 Robot101: D-Bus originated with Qt/KDE Jul 22 17:40:20 meanwhile, we have about 30 man years' worth of investment which is might be actually more useful to use than talk unmitigated bullshit on IRC Jul 22 17:40:22 Qt is much saner than glib Jul 22 17:40:30 D-Bus originated with RedHat Jul 22 17:40:34 Robot101: yes, that's why I'm putting up with glib :/ Jul 22 17:40:34 luke-jr: that's bullshit Jul 22 17:40:41 * slonopotamus thinks luke-jr messes up glib with gobject Jul 22 17:40:44 anyway, I'm out of this conversation, luke-jr has tricked me before Jul 22 17:40:46 Robot101: D-Bus has its roots in KDE's DCOP Jul 22 17:40:48 have fun kids Jul 22 17:40:53 have a good evening, Robot101 Jul 22 17:40:53 slonopotamus: gobject is part of glib Jul 22 17:40:58 gobject is crap :) Jul 22 17:41:01 glib is tiny, does small abstractions, Qt Core contains stuff that should be in Qt Gui .. Jul 22 17:41:05 Bad abstraction .. Jul 22 17:41:24 luke-jr: it's separate shared object. so you can use glib and not use gobject Jul 22 17:41:27 But I still like it .. Jul 22 17:41:31 alterego: let's all move to liqbase Jul 22 17:41:33 we all have an appendix, even nature cannot get abstractions right Jul 22 17:41:38 :) Jul 22 17:41:43 slonopotamus: I can't mask gobject without masking glib Jul 22 17:41:52 alterego: tiny??? its equal to glibc in size Jul 22 17:41:53 luke-jr, patches welcome! :D Jul 22 17:42:00 blah blah blah, we make do with what we've got. Jul 22 17:42:17 If you don't like it, then do something else that's better, and boy, it better be better or you'll just be wasting your time. Jul 22 17:42:30 alterego: I would, if I had time. :) Jul 22 17:42:39 but I don't have time, so glib is a battle I lose Jul 22 17:42:51 I can accept that, though I won't be happy about it Jul 22 17:42:57 Anyhow, they're not exactly comparable, glib caters for C, Qt caters for C++ Jul 22 17:43:26 glib was designed to allow the easy binding of other languages to gobjects OOP model. Jul 22 17:43:31 Qt wasn't. Jul 22 17:43:43 So, I guess there are issues with forces too. Jul 22 17:43:46 Qt is a language of its own Jul 22 17:44:00 I do like what it does to C++ Jul 22 17:44:45 luke-jr: to be honest, C++ is crap. Jul 22 17:45:25 All languages are crap, when used out of context. Jul 22 17:45:51 slonopotamus: sure Jul 22 17:45:57 I like C and Qt, but not the intermediate C++ Jul 22 17:45:58 :) Jul 22 17:46:09 lcuk: The appendix is actually useful. Jul 22 17:46:29 and so is glib :P Jul 22 17:47:42 bwaaaaa Jul 22 17:47:55 i dropped my N900 yesterday and now the slider has a small gap Jul 22 17:48:56 MohammadAG51: :( Jul 22 17:49:01 Do you have insurance? Jul 22 17:49:15 nope, it's not bad, till i f with it Jul 22 17:49:18 MohammadAG51, :( Jul 22 17:49:22 I've had my n900 go through at least for 4x4 racing events, it had dirt in it, a couple of dents and scratches, but works fine still :) Jul 22 17:49:27 *four Jul 22 17:49:28 :) Jul 22 17:49:31 you mean its off its rail Jul 22 17:49:37 does it slide correctly? Jul 22 17:49:43 mine? yeah Jul 22 17:49:45 it's normal Jul 22 17:49:52 but it moves 1mm or so Jul 22 17:50:01 oh, mine does that Jul 22 17:50:09 the screen does not actually align properly anymore Jul 22 17:50:14 i dropped it playing n900fly Jul 22 17:50:29 lcuk: how unexpected! Jul 22 17:50:29 hiya igagis \o ltns Jul 22 17:50:39 Robot101: FSO is not python, it's vala Jul 22 17:50:42 slonopotamus, i started wrapping it in a sleeping bag after that Jul 22 17:50:53 i think i got about 3.5 metres or something Jul 22 17:51:12 lcuk: omfg you played that? Jul 22 17:51:32 I thought that was the most retarded idea for an app I've ever heard .. Jul 22 17:51:34 lcuk hi Jul 22 17:52:06 lcuk: it needs public website with top throwers listed, i think Jul 22 17:52:07 lcuk what is "\o ltns"? :) Jul 22 17:52:30 "\o" == me waving hello Jul 22 17:52:35 ltns == long time no see Jul 22 17:52:35 waving hand, and "long long time no see"? Jul 22 17:53:04 \o ??? oh my, head is empty :/ Jul 22 17:53:21 lcuk ah, yeah Jul 22 17:54:20 DocScrutinizer: wtf is vala Jul 22 17:54:48 FSO is written in Vala, a modern object oriented programming language that compiles to C – thus giving you the maximum performance. Jul 22 17:54:51 luke-jr: vala is just another crap, don't worry Jul 22 17:55:09 luke-jr: it is based on gobject Jul 22 17:55:30 ... Jul 22 17:55:37 I'll stick to Ofono I guess Jul 22 17:56:42 lcuk: so Jul 22 17:56:44 mhm, because C is worse than glib? Jul 22 17:56:51 http://dsmip6-tls.nokia.net/ — don't try this at home if you don't have an official n900 :( Jul 22 17:57:00 * timeless_mbp got a boot loop Jul 22 17:57:04 DocScrutinizer: gobject is glib Jul 22 17:57:25 luke-jr: btw. don't you use kde? it has hard dep on glib Jul 22 17:57:33 who said gobject? Jul 22 17:57:52 timeless_mbp: there are unofficial n900s? Jul 22 17:57:58 I thought you could do glib without gobject .. Jul 22 17:58:00 timeless_mbp, you havent got an official n900? Jul 22 17:58:09 That is, you don't need gobject to do glib .. Jul 22 17:58:18 slonopotamus: no, it doesn't. Jul 22 17:58:34 lcuk: it's allocated to a real person Jul 22 17:59:11 you are not real? Jul 22 17:59:27 no, i'm a cog working for an employer Jul 22 17:59:28 luke-jr: willikins says kscreensaver and system-settings do. Jul 22 17:59:34 who doesn't believe i have real feelings or anything Jul 22 17:59:39 s/m-s/ms Jul 22 17:59:47 ok, timeless_mbp onto the real thing Jul 22 17:59:50 ipv6 !!! Jul 22 17:59:58 LOL @ DSMIPv6 Jul 22 18:00:17 there were hushed rumours and desires about wanting complete stack at fosdem Jul 22 18:00:40 slonopotamus: KDE is bloat too Jul 22 18:00:53 DocScrutinizer: ? Jul 22 18:01:54 timeless_mbp: Jul 22 18:01:58 * alterego raises hand ( :P ) Jul 22 18:02:30 ? Jul 22 18:02:45 the ipv6 trial is available to anyone w/ an n900 afaict Jul 22 18:02:46 (believes you don't have real feelings) Jul 22 18:02:49 I think you're a robot. Jul 22 18:02:54 i sent an email from timeless@gmail Jul 22 18:02:57 and got an account Jul 22 18:02:57 ipv6 trial? Jul 22 18:03:07 http://dsmip6-tls.nokia.net/ Jul 22 18:03:15 it's an ipv6 stack for the n900 Jul 22 18:03:24 timeless_mbp: modprobe ipv6 Jul 22 18:03:26 which has an interesting PoP in ca.us Jul 22 18:03:28 wfm Jul 22 18:03:54 luke-jr: w/o an interesting PoP, there's no real way for me to figure out if it's doing something useful Jul 22 18:04:03 ... Jul 22 18:04:19 64 bytes from 2001:41c8:0:854::16: icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=305 ms Jul 22 18:04:21 happy? Jul 22 18:04:31 nah Jul 22 18:04:36 useful = using browser ;) Jul 22 18:04:51 well if the browser doesn't use it, that's *your* fault :P Jul 22 18:05:16 actually Jul 22 18:05:24 according to their page it should work Jul 22 18:05:34 and from memory we didn't disable ipv6 Jul 22 18:06:00 too much effort, no gain Jul 22 18:06:25 unless you count complaints from people who enable ipv6 that the browser doesn't work as a gain Jul 22 18:06:29 * timeless_mbp most certainly does not Jul 22 18:06:57 * timeless_mbp heads out Jul 22 18:07:37 IPv6 should always be enabled Jul 22 18:09:06 I'll use a PoP in USA the day when hell freezes Jul 22 18:10:08 particularly 'mobile' is the interesting bit of the previous url, no? Jul 22 18:10:37 I thought mobile ip was buried these days, haven't heard of it for a while Jul 22 18:11:08 So they don't have it for Symbian? :D Jul 22 18:11:27 but it would be nice to have. I have similar capabilities by using vpn, but of course that's not as optimal as working mobile ip would be. Jul 22 18:17:03 What can you do with this client installed Jul 22 18:17:05 ... Jul 22 18:17:06 4. You can browse US only web sites like hulu.com since the MN is acnhored via an HA located in the US Jul 22 18:17:08 99. You can have lots of fun with US legislation an civil jurisdiction, like e.g DMCA, homeland security, younameit Jul 22 18:17:15 they don't appear to provide home agent Jul 22 18:17:36 so I'm not sure how real mobile ip are we talking about, if you don't have multiple home agents Jul 22 18:18:48 so it's basically the same as a vpn-based solution.. Jul 22 18:19:46 * RST38h moos evilly Jul 22 18:20:29 * DocScrutinizer waits for Nokia and Google comparing on first onion server Jul 22 18:21:10 s/first/who's got first one Jul 22 18:21:27 lemme try again Jul 22 18:21:57 * DocScrutinizer waits for Nokia and Google competing on who's first to get his onion server up and running Jul 22 18:22:13 what is an onion server? Jul 22 18:22:39 I guess they refer to something like tor Jul 22 18:22:44 * alterego puts on his hat ... Jul 22 18:22:57 I've got an idea. A BUNION SERVER! Jul 22 18:22:59 Arkenoi Jul 22 18:24:02 http://www.google.de/search?q=tor+onion Jul 22 18:24:15 is there packet injection on some custom kernel or not yet? Jul 22 18:25:53 seems doesn't work with chipset Jul 22 18:26:09 afaik Jul 22 18:26:48 * alterego wonders if this month Vodafone will start charging him .. Jul 22 18:27:04 Last month I used up 10.759G of data ... Jul 22 18:27:07 alterego: why? Jul 22 18:27:30 i actually wonder the same -.- Jul 22 18:27:33 Well, I'm on unlimited data contract, but they're removing that. Jul 22 18:27:40 alterego: they got some fair use policy, no? Jul 22 18:27:42 i se Jul 22 18:27:46 see* Jul 22 18:27:46 So I've been expecting them to change things soon. Jul 22 18:27:58 DocScrutinizer: yeah, My monthly average is probably 10-15G Jul 22 18:28:07 Had this contract for about 15 months Jul 22 18:28:10 too high I guess Jul 22 18:28:43 wonder how you manage to eat 15G Jul 22 18:28:51 DocScrutinizer: well, they've not complained to me yet. I've just heard a lot of people getting phone calls about being moved onto a 1G contact Jul 22 18:28:54 ~contract Jul 22 18:29:02 1G capped, they're removing FUP apparently. Jul 22 18:29:44 FUP is something like "don't use >5G for >2 consecutive months" Jul 22 18:29:47 iirc Jul 22 18:29:59 Heh Jul 22 18:30:04 Well, I've easily exceeded that ;) Jul 22 18:30:14 The thing is this is my home internet connection. Jul 22 18:30:27 over 3G? o.O Jul 22 18:30:32 Yup Jul 22 18:30:51 I get about 2 sometimes 2.5 megabit Jul 22 18:31:01 3G router? or mobile internet dataplan? Jul 22 18:31:31 It's just part of my mobile contract, 600 minutes, unlimited texts, unlimited internet. Jul 22 18:31:54 So my N900 is my mobile and my modem :) Jul 22 18:34:06 heya :) finally i buyed n900 Jul 22 18:34:16 so they will eventually ask how you manage to blast 15G thru that SoC and do reasonable things with it Jul 22 18:34:18 hey h4xordood Jul 22 18:34:26 do you like it? Jul 22 18:34:38 yeah :) Jul 22 18:35:02 i am thinking why i waited Jul 22 18:35:13 prepare for this to change :-) Jul 22 18:35:22 heh. yeah. Jul 22 18:35:25 :p Jul 22 18:35:30 either you LOVE it in 4 weeks or you are disappointed Jul 22 18:36:28 hey i am trying running java app Jul 22 18:36:44 install icedtea6 Jul 22 18:37:03 for me N900 is best thing since sliced bread, and I built similar devices before I got the N900 Jul 22 18:37:31 DocScrutinizer: the contract was actually for an N96 ;) Jul 22 18:37:35 DocScrutinizer: eh, i'm kind of in between, some thing i like (that i have a commandline to do stuff) and some things i hate (the mail client blows) Jul 22 18:37:39 its just awsome Jul 22 18:37:45 :) Jul 22 18:37:48 I took out another contract for the N900, which my girlfriend uses, I just swapped sims (internet obviously) Jul 22 18:37:58 just using telnet and raw imap commands would be better than modest. Jul 22 18:37:59 h4xordood: glad you like it :) Jul 22 18:38:15 mortini: well do that then. Jul 22 18:38:29 mortini: :-P Jul 22 18:38:39 mortini: at least you're free to do that Jul 22 18:38:44 sorting email is so 1990's Jul 22 18:38:51 i actually started writing my own :P Jul 22 18:38:59 even i want to learn development on this Jul 22 18:39:29 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation Jul 22 18:39:51 h4xordood: see Nokia Qt SDK Jul 22 18:40:11 vennemo altergo :)hey Jul 22 18:40:29 DocScrutinizer: neopwn have a fully working packet injection, they patched the wlan drivers on their kernel Jul 22 18:40:48 chadi: damn, so they did it? Jul 22 18:41:18 i am trying to run agent from mail.ru Jul 22 18:41:27 DocScrutinizer: they have a "teasing" video on their website Jul 22 18:41:42 need to tlk with friends in russia Jul 22 18:42:04 but after install icedtea6 Jul 22 18:42:19 what is icedtea6? Jul 22 18:42:20 hi Jul 22 18:42:25 hi Jul 22 18:42:31 i did java -jar file.jar Jul 22 18:42:34 Venemo_: Java Jul 22 18:42:43 icedtea6 is java Jul 22 18:42:47 java runtime for the N900? Jul 22 18:42:48 open jdk Jul 22 18:42:53 I am not able to install anything in scratchbox using apt-get install. How do I resolve this ? Jul 22 18:42:54 sounds good Jul 22 18:43:07 does it run java applets in the browser, too? Jul 22 18:43:28 akssps011: resolv.conf I think Jul 22 18:43:58 akssps011: is there any error message? Jul 22 18:44:24 DocScrutinizer: dannym: it only says: Reading package lists... Done Jul 22 18:44:24 Building dependency tree... Done Jul 22 18:44:24 E: Couldn't find package libgps-dev Jul 22 18:44:25 i havent tried yet :) ve Jul 22 18:44:41 akssps011: try adding more repositories Jul 22 18:44:51 akssps011: (for example in the graphical package manager) Jul 22 18:44:56 *swooooosh* Jul 22 18:44:57 * DocScrutinizer dissolves into his beloved cloud of sulfur Jul 22 18:45:11 dannym: how ? Jul 22 18:45:34 akssps011: edit /etc/apt/sources.list to be like this: Jul 22 18:46:21 akssps011: (like on the page at ) Jul 22 18:46:55 dannym: ah, no ubuntu repo in it. that's the problem. thanks :) Jul 22 18:51:31 :) Jul 22 18:52:49 hmm, can someone try to compile in scratchbox (with gcc -c)? For me, that makes ld.so use up 100% cpu and 1GB ram and it never finishes O_o - but works fine outside of scratchbox Jul 22 18:53:29 C++ is a fine language, ain't it? Jul 22 18:53:38 they must be laughing there in hell Jul 22 18:54:56 :-P Jul 22 18:56:15 heard one of the c++ gurus "there's probably 3..5 really competent c++ coders in this world" Jul 22 18:56:36 ld.so using 100% CPU you f*ing what:? Jul 22 18:57:05 alterego: well, it does. Don't ask me what it needs the linker for when I do "gcc -c", but hey... Jul 22 18:57:13 DocScrutinizer: heh :) Jul 22 18:59:02 alterego: at least it is correlated. When I start "gcc -c", shortly afterwards, "ld.so" appears in "top". When I Ctrl-C it (works), then "ld.so" disappears from "top" Jul 22 18:59:15 probably one of these weird backdoor-in-the-compiler thingies :-> Jul 22 19:00:19 Oh, you mean 'ld' .. Jul 22 19:00:34 ld is the linker Jul 22 19:00:39 I know :) Jul 22 19:00:51 so what is it doing linking when I tell it to compile (and explicitly, too) Jul 22 19:01:09 why* Jul 22 19:01:22 Doc: C++ gurus ought to be exterminated with extreme prejudice Jul 22 19:01:40 Doc: Personally, I would like to start with the guy who came up with STL. Jul 22 19:01:44 * DocScrutinizer wonders idly whether to aim promotion to extras for *#-ena Jul 22 19:02:08 http://www.nickscipio.com/pod/2010/07/18/the-holy-trinity/ - not worksafe site - mostly worksafe page. Sort-of-ontopic. Jul 22 19:02:27 lo SpeedEvil Jul 22 19:02:44 Speed: nasty Jul 22 19:02:55 why have they taken the apple from Jobs' hand? Jul 22 19:04:23 I particularly like Steve's halo Jul 22 19:04:56 Bill's is better Jul 22 19:05:09 looks like it can be used for targe practice Jul 22 19:21:39 "...want to take an apple and smash this window" - neat Jul 22 19:23:08 sticky mod keys are annoyingly inconsistant Jul 22 19:23:52 ~ Jul 22 19:24:01 Jul 22 19:24:09 i have è, mute grave accent, à and mute acute accent on the same key Jul 22 19:24:13 Damnit. Jul 22 19:24:25 as key, shift+key, fn+key and fn+shift+key Jul 22 19:24:50 but pushing shift and then pushing è gives me È Jul 22 19:25:16 Their latest creation, called The End of History, is a 110 proof beer that comes packaged in a variety of small stuffed animals. Jul 22 19:28:10 can it be, that the wiki is down? Jul 22 19:28:49 sure Jul 22 19:28:54 kerio: for me, Fn+Enter = Ú Jul 22 19:29:08 kerio: and the Sym key is not sticky for the enter key Jul 22 19:30:22 I dunno, whenever when I need it the wiki is down, same goes for the freakin debian page Jul 22 19:33:35 man, a new battery makes a world of difference Jul 22 19:35:10 there, got a strace for sscd to GPS+gprs Jul 22 19:48:25 Oh Jul 22 19:53:25 Does maemo have an audio recording with vox? (voice operated switch) Jul 22 19:53:32 So it only records when the sound is above a certain level Jul 22 19:54:44 as what would my micro sd card usually show up? Jul 22 19:54:53 and how do i find out what's wrong with it? Jul 22 19:57:48 X-Fade: is the wiki dead? Jul 22 20:00:36 yep it is Jul 22 20:00:47 couple hours now Jul 22 20:00:58 but it looks like it's some sort of overload Jul 22 20:01:32 hi Jul 22 20:01:39 when i run ssh Jul 22 20:01:44 and type some command Jul 22 20:02:02 a "+ (command)" is displayed before any output Jul 22 20:02:25 prompt? Jul 22 20:02:28 and this is also shown when it runs autorun-scripts (/etc/profile, etc) Jul 22 20:02:38 it's probably pront Jul 22 20:02:43 prompt Jul 22 20:02:50 [~]$ hejsan Jul 22 20:02:51 but make a screenshot Jul 22 20:02:52 + hejsan Jul 22 20:02:59 hmm, that's not prompt Jul 22 20:03:27 strange prompt Jul 22 20:03:28 hm, ok Jul 22 20:03:39 $PS4 seems to have this Jul 22 20:04:00 hm, yea, changing it results in another displayed Jul 22 20:04:10 but why is this displayed at all? Jul 22 20:07:40 hi there Jul 22 20:09:51 which is the bus name for the system events? Jul 22 20:10:03 FredrIQ: set +vx Jul 22 20:10:47 thanks Jul 22 20:11:36 (actually i'm looking for the key eb Jul 22 20:12:05 events), sorry Jul 22 20:43:04 Hohoho, I have finally got to the tracker.cfg and made the damn thing shut up Jul 22 20:43:13 whoohooo Jul 22 20:43:28 Miraculously, I can use the camera now. Jul 22 20:46:51 wtf Jul 22 20:48:42 evening tigert \o Jul 22 20:48:51 have you tried fcam yet? Jul 22 20:49:02 lcuk: well, low memory mode was set to false, and activity level to highest Jul 22 20:49:26 RST38bis, thats a bit odd Jul 22 20:49:36 i was actually wtfing at making my phone appear to be off Jul 22 20:49:48 lcuk: not odd, overly optimistic Jul 22 20:49:51 ah ok Jul 22 20:49:51 btdtgtwdr Jul 22 20:50:21 scratch that, totally dead :S Jul 22 20:51:07 * lcuk curses mucking with x11 Jul 22 20:53:15 A way to have another X session on composite would be awesome Jul 22 20:53:50 SpeedEvil, hmm? Jul 22 20:54:18 you mean another local instance ? Jul 22 20:54:22 a completely independant X Jul 22 20:54:27 umm Jul 22 20:54:27 or at least desktop Jul 22 20:54:31 two servers can run Jul 22 20:54:37 X servers Jul 22 20:54:51 yes - I don't think they can access the hardware at the same time though. Jul 22 20:54:54 For obvious reasons. Jul 22 20:55:11 hmm, well, my PC can, but that's a shitty measure to see what can/'t be done Jul 22 20:55:44 separate framebuffers Jul 22 20:55:52 for LCD and AV Jul 22 20:55:55 The graphics hw - on my brief skims - would need X to know about the other X when setting up. Jul 22 20:56:01 There are seperate buffers Jul 22 20:56:03 or can be Jul 22 20:56:19 yeah, +There are Jul 22 20:56:43 raster found that I seem to remember Jul 22 20:56:51 with a standalone X11, it would also allow standalone inpuy wouldnt it Jul 22 20:56:54 input Jul 22 20:57:04 ie, one person using n900 keyboard + n900 lcd Jul 22 20:57:04 yup Jul 22 20:57:09 another using the tvout+bt keyboard Jul 22 20:57:18 should work, sure Jul 22 20:57:27 if cfgd correctly Jul 22 20:57:59 you'd need to tell primary to keep fingers off BT Jul 22 20:58:17 yeah Jul 22 20:58:18 rsp the kbd driven via BT Jul 22 20:59:03 * lcuk is still confused why Russia N90 users are going gaga for my video Jul 22 20:59:08 N900 even :P Jul 22 20:59:24 ooh only Russians? Jul 22 21:00:22 no, but the colorchart of countries has been showing russian all day, rst said it was some sort of russian slashdot Jul 22 21:00:54 hm Jul 22 21:00:58 theres such a difference though in the hits from there vs other countries, click view counts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM Jul 22 21:01:10 lcuk: do you have referer? Jul 22 21:01:45 jacekowski, its on the youtube page, full stats are available Jul 22 21:05:22 lcuk: there's no such info like countrymap for me... BUT: I see while watching again you even have a decent clue, well a whole set of clues hidden in this video. The reflection and the little sibling, the green dots showing actual calculation Jul 22 21:07:13 DocScrutinizer, yeah the widgets are just overlaying the live camera view with markers Jul 22 21:07:30 if you click on the little number of plays counter below video Jul 22 21:07:34 it shows: http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=t&chs=350x175&chco=f5f5f5,edf0d4,c9dba3,a6c27d,6c9642,365e24,13390a&chls=1,4,0&chxt=x&chxl=0:|world&chf=bg,s,EAF7FE&chd=s:GCBDABBABAADBABBBAAACBBBD9HAABABABDBABABLANACBBAAAAGCCCACBBCABAADBAABAABLADABCCA&chld=AZAMATSEVEBEESUYQARSTWNLGEPHAUMTCYKRTTARBGAEBNNGLVRUFIEGINNZMKCAPKFRDEGRIDSGROCHGBJPBYDKILSICZHKSKBAPTKGMDMVTRMENOLKZAEECLPLKWSAUSJOTHBRMUECIEMYUAHRKZMXBSITLTHU Jul 22 21:07:59 on wchich video? Jul 22 21:07:59 wtf? Jul 22 21:08:08 which* Jul 22 21:08:23 jacekowski, 5 posts up. and omg @ size of the link Jul 22 21:09:27 what would it do if you would move it to position between boxes? Jul 22 21:10:05 jacekowski, show 2 halves of 2 boxes Jul 22 21:11:09 how is that mouse thingy working? Jul 22 21:11:14 same way as that AR Jul 22 21:11:36 or it's not working yet? Jul 22 21:11:59 jacekowski, the working part is knowing where abouts on the mat i am Jul 22 21:12:11 whats not working is transmitting those coordinates to the main computer Jul 22 21:12:22 how is it done? Jul 22 21:12:28 with front camera? Jul 22 21:12:56 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58589 Jul 22 21:12:58 because using that normal camera + LEDs Jul 22 21:13:00 face camera Jul 22 21:13:17 that would be nice because it will work anywhere on any surface Jul 22 21:13:19 almost Jul 22 21:13:21 or accelerometer Jul 22 21:13:38 well this technically allows 3d motion :) Jul 22 21:14:10 accelerometer would be cool Jul 22 21:14:18 i think logitech is making accelerometer based mouse Jul 22 21:14:45 mm no, they have a pointer stick presentaiton device i think Jul 22 21:14:59 jacekowski, accelerometer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z51-vCa0_Q Jul 22 21:16:00 but i hve stufs to be packing up, I am heading to cambridge for Collabora 5th Birthday party tomorrow Jul 22 21:16:01 http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/mice-pointers/mice/devices/3443 Jul 22 21:16:02 You really would need a full INS ideally for a mouse. Jul 22 21:16:11 But accels have been used Jul 22 21:16:27 lcuk: where do you live? Jul 22 21:16:39 Manchester Jul 22 21:16:53 that's not too bad Jul 22 21:17:07 i have to get to edinburgh sometime soon Jul 22 21:17:13 probably next week Jul 22 21:17:14 where are you? Jul 22 21:17:18 colchester Jul 22 21:17:25 * lcuk always thought you were on the continent Jul 22 21:17:32 cool Jul 22 21:17:39 england is on a continent Jul 22 21:17:50 i hate driving so far though Jul 22 21:17:57 with a bit of a puddle Jul 22 21:18:33 i'm thinking about going there by plane Jul 22 21:18:34 or train Jul 22 21:18:50 8h by car is little bit too much Jul 22 21:20:35 * lcuk likes the train Jul 22 21:20:48 well, plane is cheaper Jul 22 21:21:00 sure, for that kind of distance Jul 22 21:21:03 £150 with return ticket Jul 22 21:21:05 plus, its international :p Jul 22 21:21:24 where? Jul 22 21:21:38 it's still UK Jul 22 21:21:46 unless something changed in last couple hours Jul 22 21:21:52 and scotland isn't in the UK anymore Jul 22 21:21:56 its Scotland! Jul 22 21:22:09 anyway >>> Jul 22 21:23:37 have fun on your way to cambridge Jul 22 21:24:07 i'm thinking about going to sleep early Jul 22 21:46:15 btw. n900 can safely survive 5V vbat Jul 22 21:46:28 heh Jul 22 21:47:13 jacekowski: sure it can Jul 22 21:47:36 though not exactly recommended Jul 22 21:47:49 well, i've read that 5V vbat isn't safe Jul 22 21:47:51 quite some alerts will go off Jul 22 21:48:24 heh, the battery will die so hard Jul 22 21:48:44 I suppose no battery involved Jul 22 21:49:07 yeah, power supply Jul 22 21:49:12 i messed up supply rails on my breadboard Jul 22 21:49:35 jacekowski: you're quite messy EE Jul 22 21:50:25 ooops I shorted the 400V/5kA rail :P Jul 22 21:51:05 well, i did that Jul 22 21:51:12 with a spanner Jul 22 21:51:20 bet it was fun Jul 22 21:51:22 dropped onto live busbars Jul 22 21:51:30 and that was last time i saw that spanner Jul 22 21:51:40 lol I bet Jul 22 21:51:50 it was just gone Jul 22 21:52:00 as was your ears Jul 22 21:52:03 vaporized Jul 22 21:52:17 well, i had ear defenders Jul 22 21:52:31 you're lucky Jul 22 21:53:03 bbl Jul 22 21:53:05 well, i heard stories about people that did worse things Jul 22 21:57:11 hello anyone know if I can get /usr/bin/rtcom-messaging-ui.launch from PR1.1 some how? Jul 22 21:57:53 some how... Jul 22 21:58:37 the binary. Jul 22 22:05:40 or can I mount the firmware image on gnu/linux? Jul 22 22:05:57 not easily Jul 22 22:06:04 you can, but it's an utter pain Jul 22 22:06:22 you need a mtd emulation layer Jul 22 22:06:32 seems like a lot of works Jul 22 22:10:02 yes Jul 22 22:10:16 just need a single file :S Jul 22 22:10:21 Or backup apps, flash 1.1, copy, flash, restore Jul 22 22:10:31 better not :S Jul 22 22:10:33 I meant to copy my pr1.1 image, but I forgot Jul 22 22:10:46 wonder if apt-get downgrade something could help Jul 22 22:11:10 or apt-get the deb of rtcom-messaging-ui package Jul 22 22:12:13 * wall[3] waits for an installation to finish. Jul 22 22:12:39 DocScrutinizer: http://www.wintesla2003.com/smf/index.php?topic=127120.0 Jul 22 22:12:39 nite all, sweet dreams Jul 22 22:12:39 according to these picture there Jul 22 22:12:44 rapuyama really is completly standalone processor Jul 22 22:12:51 that can run whole phone without any help Jul 22 22:19:43 give up Jul 22 22:20:44 whats so good about the 1.1? Jul 22 22:23:47 jacekowski, doesn't sound impossible :) Jul 22 22:28:52 tzzz now he's gone. Had a 1.1.1 here Jul 22 22:29:17 snooze you lose Jul 22 22:29:56 jacekowski: I know. Absolutely no news Jul 22 22:30:56 did you even read any of the links I posted for you? Jul 22 22:31:33 anyway, o/ Jul 22 22:32:39 HAIL DOCSCRUTINIZER o/ Jul 22 22:36:30 no thanks. Jul 22 23:47:14 hey guys Jul 22 23:48:02 wtf qt... qdate reads the year "04" as 1904 Jul 22 23:48:18 :D Jul 22 23:54:07 +100 Jul 23 00:00:08 what's wrong with 1904??? My granpa is born 1904 Jul 23 00:01:28 * peb_ is gone. Gone since Wed Jul 21 19:58:59 2010 Jul 23 00:01:39 qtmindreader is still wip Jul 23 00:04:29 Khertan: Yup, made one, I think it's pretty usable. But the dependencies are wrong for new PR1.2 installs, and I should repackage, but I'm on a trip now, without all that much network access (ref. todo app) Jul 23 00:04:43 mortini: yeah, i had to do if( date.year() < 1950 ) date = date.addYears( 100 ); Jul 23 00:05:27 and my grandpa was born in the 1870s, 1904 is too recent Jul 23 00:10:19 ok, so if you're around 45 now= it's time to get a child like your pa and grandpa did when they were 45 Jul 23 00:10:58 i a few years shy of 45 Jul 23 00:12:20 If you like my Sticky Notes app, vote for it here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=760304 Jul 23 00:14:44 DocScrutinizer51: 45 is grandfather age Jul 23 00:14:57 if you don't have a child yet, you're too late Jul 23 00:14:58 :p Jul 23 00:17:47 when ieatlint's grandpa became grandpa with 40, then ieatlint is at least 80 Jul 23 00:20:24 yeah, someone born in 1870 should have great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren by now Jul 23 00:21:41 yeah, well, my family is weird.. Jul 23 00:21:47 i' Jul 23 00:21:50 m under 30 Jul 23 00:22:01 so almost out of time :p Jul 23 00:22:08 oh, under Jul 23 00:22:53 given a 1 child policy Jul 23 00:23:21 is absolutely evil Jul 23 00:24:59 hmm this 2G setting doesn't work too well in poor reception areas Jul 23 00:25:11 * luke-jr wonders how patient to be with his GPS app Jul 23 00:25:21 prolly missed a few bits Jul 23 00:25:28 I wrote another simple script to theoretically setup phonet0 Jul 23 00:26:25 anyway heading home... Jul 23 00:26:36 DocScrutinizer51: did my GPS app ever work for you? Jul 23 00:28:13 i'm still bummed that i can only get about 4 hours of usage with 3g data Jul 23 00:28:24 in a zone with poor reception Jul 23 00:28:33 ._. Jul 23 00:28:57 kerio: oh, is that why my battery life sucks? Jul 23 00:29:18 poor reception kills the battery Jul 23 00:29:21 afaik Jul 23 00:29:36 i mean, really poor Jul 23 00:30:31 either that or it's yet another battery-draining bug Jul 23 00:31:52 luke-jr: never heard of Jul 23 00:32:22 plus a few reposts... Jul 23 00:32:57 DocScrutinizer: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps Jul 23 00:33:01 ok, so if you're around 45 now= it's time to get a child like your pa and grandpa did when they were 45 Jul 23 00:33:02 but wait... around 1915 it wasn't usual to get childs when you're 47, so meke the 55 wrt your age. Still possible Jul 23 00:33:28 at least I hope so, for you Jul 23 00:34:31 eeeew, ***elf**********@@@@@@@@@@ Jul 23 00:35:25 well I'll try `exec http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps` in bash :-P Jul 23 00:35:28 DocScrutinizer: append .c if you want to try building it Jul 23 00:36:52 man: can't chdir to http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code: No such file or directory Jul 23 00:37:53 lrn2wget Jul 23 00:38:06 :-P Jul 23 00:38:16 lrn2laugh Jul 23 00:39:57 * DocScrutinizer ponders idly to `chdir /usr/local/bin && wget http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/gps` Jul 23 00:40:37 Nokia-N900-02-8:~# wget --help Jul 23 00:40:38 -sh: wget: not found Jul 23 00:40:40 blah Jul 23 00:41:02 curl -O ? Jul 23 00:41:55 hmm Jul 23 00:42:04 22 minutes, should I give up waiting for a fix? Jul 23 00:42:09 what's the max GPS fix time again? Jul 23 00:42:18 12.5 min or so Jul 23 00:42:18 12.5 Jul 23 00:42:24 maybe 13 Jul 23 00:42:25 :/ Jul 23 00:42:47 or 25 if you missed last packet Jul 23 00:44:02 * DocScrutinizer yaaaaaaaaaawns Jul 23 00:44:22 * SpeedEvil eats pasta salad. Jul 23 00:44:34 yummy Jul 23 00:45:24 ohmy that yawning... Jul 23 01:18:52 yay Jul 23 01:19:03 I got GPS readings without booting Maemo first Jul 23 01:21:20 hi, how do I play some audio while calling? Jul 23 01:22:33 like a prerecord that make it like i am in a meeting or something. Jul 23 01:24:41 or piano background shopping musics Jul 23 01:25:21 something to do with pulseaudio? Jul 23 01:29:47 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43852 Jul 23 01:29:50 found the thread Jul 23 01:38:02 * peb__ is gone. Gone since Wed Jul 21 19:58:59 2010 Jul 23 02:17:15 so anyone want to try my cellmo boot thing? Jul 23 02:17:28 comments probably include private SIM crap, so binary-only for now.. Jul 23 02:17:50 you'll need a non-Maemo OS that doesn't touch phonet to test Jul 23 02:18:16 combined with my (open source) gps app, it can dump GPS info Jul 23 02:18:23 at least for me... Jul 23 02:21:13 cellmmo boot thing? Jul 23 02:21:41 Would it work without Jul 23 02:21:46 err Jul 23 02:21:55 work withotu SIM Jul 23 02:26:06 SpeedEvil: good question :) Jul 23 02:26:10 want to try it? Jul 23 02:26:35 do note that even with a SIM, I haven't managed to get either data or voice ;) Jul 23 02:26:36 Would not going to offline mode, and killine phonet work? Jul 23 02:26:54 no, I don't think there's any way to stop phonet completely without a reboot Jul 23 02:26:59 you might be able to by removing the module Jul 23 02:27:14 ssi_mcsaab_imp Jul 23 02:27:42 note you'd be killing sscd Jul 23 02:27:53 not sure if there's any other long-running processes in Maemo Jul 23 02:28:08 removing that module worked Jul 23 02:28:14 phonet module stil there Jul 23 02:28:57 stop sscd seems to work Jul 23 02:29:17 Would phonet need to be removed? Jul 23 02:30:24 dunno Jul 23 02:30:36 impossible w/o killing USB net, so I couldn't try Jul 23 02:32:47 killall sscd I get 'telephony error... ' banner Jul 23 02:33:03 on wlan Jul 23 02:33:25 doh Jul 23 02:33:39 offline mode doesn't help so much logged in on wlan Jul 23 02:34:12 XD Jul 23 02:34:51 is phonet the backend module, that talks to users, or is it the core module that talks to hardware? Jul 23 02:35:23 it's the network layer that communicates with the phone CPU Jul 23 02:37:07 ah - rmmod -f phonet works Jul 23 02:37:14 ... Jul 23 02:37:20 ... ? Jul 23 02:37:26 until it crashes Jul 23 02:37:57 ah Jul 23 02:37:59 :) Jul 23 02:38:09 rmmod -f is usually always a bad idea Jul 23 02:38:47 true Jul 23 02:38:55 but it was working till the dog bit. Jul 23 02:41:17 anyway - what's the app/where Jul 23 02:45:41 pig Jul 23 02:45:43 sigh Jul 23 02:45:47 /ping even Jul 23 02:52:21 SpeedEvil: sorryt Jul 23 02:53:00 http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/initcellmo Jul 23 02:54:07 this does what? Basically pokes the cellmo with an init packet? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jul 23 02:59:56 2010