**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 02:59:57 2010 Jul 24 03:46:22 SpeedEvil: failure to start charging? (though I never seen it happen on USB hosts) Jul 24 03:46:57 SpeedEvil: anyway that's exactly what happened to me a few hours ago, see backscroll Jul 24 03:47:13 on wallcharger Jul 24 03:48:09 * DocScrutinizer considers to set up autokick on 'tonal', with fixed user t kick, no matter who posted the matchstring Jul 24 03:50:23 or, more clearly: This a tonal-free zone, including all units, numbers, and other concepts based on tonal. This applies particularly to user luke-jr Jul 24 03:51:19 no kidding Jul 24 03:51:36 what have i missed? Jul 24 03:51:42 * TermanaN900 grabs popcorn Jul 24 03:52:22 nah, eat your popcorn while watching TV. Here's nothing happening, move on Jul 24 03:52:41 DocScrutinizer: discrimination! Jul 24 03:54:35 nope, enforcing of a minimum of common sense. Tonal indoctrination isn't appreciated, as is trolling about Qt being a lib, a preprocessor extension, or a programming language in it's own right Jul 24 03:55:35 I get my daily WTF elsewhere **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 03:55:38 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 05:02:15 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 05:02:42 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 05:48:15 2010 Jul 24 06:17:08 ~ping Jul 24 06:17:09 ~pong Jul 24 06:43:42 hello guys... please, sometimes my n900 shows that there is no sim card. I related it to the lack of signal, but sometimes it happens in a place with a really strong sinal. is it possible to workaround this? Jul 24 06:48:13 okay, ppl. autotools are just crap. Jul 24 06:49:06 astruasdh: it's the lack of contact between phone and simcard Jul 24 06:49:31 slonopotamus, what can I do? buy another sim card? Jul 24 06:49:46 astruasdh: put something thick (folded piece of paper, for example) between simcard and battery. Jul 24 06:49:57 astruasdh: that helped 2 n900s here :) Jul 24 06:50:57 astruasdh: bad simcard holder, doesn't produce enough pressure Jul 24 06:51:54 tyvm!!! Jul 24 06:58:33 astruasdh: it helped? :) Jul 24 06:59:39 slonopotamus, a lot! Jul 24 07:00:32 slonopotamus, you saved my cellphone (it almost has been thrown to the wall) and my cellphone company (I almost put a bomb there) Jul 24 07:00:40 hehe Jul 24 07:01:10 * slonopotamus considers opening a paper-pressure-thingie-for-your-n900 shop Jul 24 07:05:57 ~curse autobuilder Jul 24 07:05:59 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, autobuilder ! Jul 24 07:08:32 ~curse autobuilder Jul 24 07:08:32 ~curse autobuilder Jul 24 07:08:33 ~curse autobuilder Jul 24 07:08:34 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, autobuilder ! Jul 24 07:08:43 :( Jul 24 07:10:55 what autotools thing creates config.guess/config.sub? Jul 24 07:20:13 okay, found Jul 24 07:21:47 Writing NEWS, README, AUTHORS, and ChangeLog Jul 24 07:21:57 These files are required by automake. More correctly, these files must exist in order for automake to run successfully. The contents of these files are not really relevant to automake. You can just put placeholders, or you can put the correct contents into each (the names are pretty self-explanatory). Jul 24 07:22:02 MADNESS Jul 24 07:22:13 Heya guys, any "big" and exciting news the last 2 weeks? I've been hiking in greenland, and not much network there. Jul 24 07:22:22 For the n900 mostly Jul 24 07:22:43 marcus: nope Jul 24 07:22:57 slonopotamus: Not even any exciting new apps? Jul 24 07:23:09 marcus: fcamera Jul 24 07:24:00 slonopotamus: fcam that is? Jul 24 07:24:57 marcus: package name is fcamera Jul 24 07:24:58 Ahh, nvm. Jul 24 07:25:07 Yeah, just googled a tad deeper (: Jul 24 07:25:23 brb Jul 24 07:28:40 hmm Jul 24 07:28:55 it really knocks off osso-camera-ui Jul 24 07:29:09 s/off/down or smth/ Jul 24 07:29:09 slonopotamus meant: it really knocks down or smth osso-camera-ui Jul 24 07:29:20 built in camera app seems to produce better pictures though Jul 24 07:29:36 fcamera shows vignetting and noise Jul 24 07:29:54 and clearly shows that it measures focus distance wrong :) Jul 24 07:30:07 yep, noticed that today too Jul 24 07:30:44 always more than needed Jul 24 07:31:02 opposite here Jul 24 07:31:15 tends to put it at 1-2m when shooting at infinity Jul 24 07:31:26 ~2 times more for me Jul 24 07:32:37 RST38h: well, your infinity isn't so infinite as you think then :) Jul 24 07:38:57 okay Jul 24 07:41:37 my package builds in sdk but doesn't on builder. thoughts? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/sflphone-common_0.9.7~ppa1~jaunty-maemo9/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt Jul 24 07:42:24 nvm Jul 24 07:57:00 * slonopotamus forces everyone to abandon autotools Jul 24 08:25:06 Some wanker started dril!lng at half eight in the morning .. Jul 24 08:25:16 wtf, on a saturday?!? Jul 24 08:31:22 hhaha Jul 24 08:31:43 could somebody help me with usb networking Jul 24 08:32:19 I run a gentoo box. What should i do at the host side? Jul 24 08:32:49 i have usb0 and usbpn0 on my host box. Jul 24 08:33:28 do i need to specify an ip address to usb0 before i connect N900? Jul 24 08:34:36 hello all Jul 24 08:35:14 anybody know if theres a program that will announce calls by "speaking them" per name like on other Nokia devices ? (for the n900) Jul 24 08:35:23 trumee: yes, the IP address should be on the 192.168.2.0/24 network Jul 24 08:35:41 trumee: the N900 expects .14 for gateway for some reason though that is un important. Jul 24 08:35:43 alterego: my lan runs on 172.16.1.0/24 Jul 24 08:35:57 trumee: So? this is a different "LAN" Jul 24 08:36:11 alterego: ok Jul 24 08:37:30 anybody? Jul 24 08:38:04 cylent: there is, search talk.maemo.org Jul 24 08:38:11 It uses eSpeak I believe Jul 24 08:38:25 i honestly am searching but dont know what to search for LOL Jul 24 08:39:27 alterego, I'm sorry, but what does lng mean? Jul 24 08:42:00 holy crap. looks like i won autotools. Jul 24 08:48:39 fuuuuck! now arm target builds and i386 cannot link because libgcrypt.so is broken on builder Jul 24 08:50:11 cylent: espeakcaller or smth Jul 24 08:53:48 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/sflphone-common_0.9.7~ppa1~jaunty-maemo9/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt Jul 24 08:53:52 thoughts? Jul 24 08:54:00 (arm built successfully) Jul 24 08:54:38 arch: armel in control file ;D Jul 24 08:58:42 hmm. i added extras-testing and extras-devel but its not in there. Jul 24 08:59:34 frals: cheater Jul 24 08:59:50 frals: and i386 builds in sdk loclly Jul 24 09:01:24 nm Jul 24 09:01:38 i was typing freemantile instead of fremantle Jul 24 09:01:42 :-P Jul 24 09:06:44 DocScrutinizer: itunes? Jul 24 09:06:57 * MohammadAG51 pukes Jul 24 09:16:44 fnord Jul 24 09:16:50 good fnord morning Jul 24 09:17:11 allah akbar Jul 24 09:17:40 O_o Jul 24 09:17:50 skol Jul 24 09:18:10 alterego: I can remove him Jul 24 09:18:17 crashanddie: please Jul 24 09:18:34 i Sverige det är mycket sent mörk Jul 24 09:18:55 He's obviously dogging me for some reason. Jul 24 09:19:10 i got my nick since 2003 Jul 24 09:19:33 lolwtf Jul 24 09:19:56 I had to watch out for nick autocompletion there :P Jul 24 09:19:59 It's juxst dodgy coming from china :D Jul 24 09:20:10 crashanddie, nah, you could've banned both Jul 24 09:20:41 alterego: no, that's switzerland Jul 24 09:21:18 .ch is switzerland? Jul 24 09:21:26 yes Jul 24 09:21:29 duh Jul 24 09:21:42 .cn china Jul 24 09:21:44 Anyhow, thank you crashanddie he's been a bit of a nuisance over the past week .. Jul 24 09:21:46 also, he registered alteregoa on Apr 29 10:32:30 2008 (2 years, 12 weeks, 1 day, 22:48:41 ago) Jul 24 09:21:48 Ah, right. Jul 24 09:21:55 Heh Jul 24 09:22:07 I was wondering if he had actually _registered_ it :) Jul 24 09:22:25 I wonder how long I've had mine for .. Jul 24 09:24:07 MohammadAG51: :D Jul 24 09:24:31 -NickServ- Registered : Dec 13 21:57:02 2003 (6 years, 32 weeks, 0 days, 11:27:18 ago) Jul 24 09:24:45 (alterego) Jul 24 09:25:19 I'm removing the ban, the guy apologised in PM Jul 24 09:25:34 woops Jul 24 09:26:29 kerio: thanks :) wow, thass a long time. Jul 24 09:26:49 you know, /ns help is free Jul 24 09:27:00 crashanddie: the point is, he doesn't even know what the channel is for, he's here for me only. Jul 24 09:27:07 (or /msg nickserv help if your client sucks) Jul 24 09:27:29 kerio: he wondered, didn't ask you to look it up Jul 24 09:27:41 cyberstalkr Jul 24 09:27:43 crashanddie: sorry for being helpful Jul 24 09:27:48 Heh Jul 24 09:28:05 alterego: this channel is supposed to be open, spread the word, all that Jul 24 09:28:15 crashanddie: fair enough. Jul 24 09:28:25 Maybe it's about time I got a new Nick anyway Jul 24 09:28:33 he shouldn't bother you again, if he does, without disrupting the channel: /ignore. If he disrupts the channel, we'll remove him anyway. Jul 24 09:28:34 spread the word that the hw keyboard is pure crap on 3-key combos Jul 24 09:28:48 Heh Jul 24 09:28:53 http://www.gtspirit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/oops_clamped_supercar_duo_in_london.jpg Jul 24 09:29:04 so Jul 24 09:29:06 I don't know what's more epic, the clamp, or the colour of those cars Jul 24 09:29:09 although i did manage to get all the unix keys here Jul 24 09:29:09 who broke libgcrypt? Jul 24 09:29:17 good morning Jul 24 09:29:23 Myrtti: you? Jul 24 09:29:32 i also got the gbp symbol there, not sure why Jul 24 09:30:32 or, who updated libgpg-error? Jul 24 09:34:46 who is Bjoern Ricks? Jul 24 10:01:27 what do you guys use to sync the time? Jul 24 10:01:33 openntpd? Jul 24 10:02:47 I do Jul 24 10:03:07 Contemplating using GPS time though Jul 24 10:03:22 I forgot my N900's lock code, anything i can to get it back? Jul 24 10:03:25 but not flashing.. Jul 24 10:03:36 th3hate: even flashing wont change the code. Jul 24 10:03:46 oops Jul 24 10:04:00 Did you set the code yourself? Jul 24 10:04:08 12345? Jul 24 10:04:15 no i changed it some time ago Jul 24 10:04:17 but i forgot it now Jul 24 10:04:23 nokia could probably change it Jul 24 10:04:34 *if* you provide enough proof you're the owner Jul 24 10:04:40 Yeah, if you take it into a care centre you might be able to get it fixed. Jul 24 10:04:59 well, sadly no close nokia care point around here.. Jul 24 10:05:04 i have to drive like 6 hours.. Jul 24 10:05:14 There's always mail :P Jul 24 10:05:19 Phone them up and ask. Jul 24 10:05:37 i heard there is a way to get it back via terminal Jul 24 10:05:39 wasn't there some bug that allowed logging in without entering security code? Jul 24 10:05:40 I'd try to use memorable numbers, maybe you used a normal PIN with a 0 on the end or something like that. Jul 24 10:05:45 th3hate: nope. Jul 24 10:06:17 so nokia care point is the only way? Jul 24 10:06:39 th3hate: well, it's the closest thing we have to an answer., Jul 24 10:06:42 Not even flash rootfs and eMMC? Jul 24 10:06:58 No, lock code is on a secure area of the phone. Jul 24 10:07:12 does it store password in CAL? Jul 24 10:07:13 It wouldn't be very secure if you could just flash it and remove the security :P Jul 24 10:07:26 alterego: it isn't secure Jul 24 10:07:50 slonopotamus: how do you get around it then? Jul 24 10:07:56 alterego: you can happily replace kernel/loader/whatever Jul 24 10:08:20 Fair point .. Jul 24 10:08:34 check this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMJyUJsKkUU Jul 24 10:08:36 will it work? Jul 24 10:08:54 recovering lost security lock code on Linux CLI Jul 24 10:09:16 If the risks are low, try it .. Jul 24 10:09:25 th3hate: do you have sshd installed there? Jul 24 10:09:32 yes Jul 24 10:10:01 th3hate: and is your n900 locked currently? Jul 24 10:10:07 yep Jul 24 10:10:40 Oh, heh Jul 24 10:10:42 th3hate: but... can you login via ssh? Jul 24 10:10:52 Yeah, is it currently connected to a network? Jul 24 10:11:09 no i restarted it and lock screen appeared Jul 24 10:11:14 so its not connected to anything Jul 24 10:11:20 Hrm .. Jul 24 10:11:34 th3hate: won't it autoconnect to your wifi AP? Jul 24 10:11:48 and 12345 doesnt work? Jul 24 10:11:52 no it's not set on auto connect Jul 24 10:11:54 only manual Jul 24 10:12:02 meh Jul 24 10:12:05 Oh dear. Jul 24 10:12:24 that was your mistake No2 :) Jul 24 10:12:43 Stskeeps: is lock code stored in CAL? Jul 24 10:13:07 yes Jul 24 10:13:25 its however a hash i believe Jul 24 10:13:48 well, it is set to smth when it is _unset_ Jul 24 10:15:23 so, plan: 1. boot meego/android/whatever. 2. build my libopencal 3. set lock code to smth that means "no lock code" 4. reboot 5. profit :D. it can accidentally destroy CAL data, but you were going to nokia care anyway :D Jul 24 10:16:03 Well driving six hours seems easier than what you said Jul 24 10:16:04 xD Jul 24 10:16:12 okay :) Jul 24 10:16:27 but wait i think i have multiboot installed Jul 24 10:17:08 i can boot android Jul 24 10:17:35 how to: . 2. build my libopencal 3. set lock code to smth that means "no lock code" 4. Jul 24 10:17:35 so, #1 is done :D Jul 24 10:17:52 th3hate: maybe you just use android? :) Jul 24 10:18:28 It has no phone function Jul 24 10:18:41 you gotta be kidding me.. Jul 24 10:20:45 Is there anything i can do or im just wasting time? Jul 24 10:21:35 afaik NITdroid was very much WIP :) Jul 24 10:21:36 if you can wait a week we have a rescue initrd of sorts in meego.. Jul 24 10:26:38 meh, got disconnected Jul 24 10:44:57 I am thinking of using my N900 as the mail 'email system'. I currently use thundrebird in my notebook and my home pc. I have several email accounts. when away from my computers I use web email interface. what suggestions do you have for me? Jul 24 10:50:39 moo Jul 24 10:51:20 ? Jul 24 10:51:56 slonopotamus: there's no such thing like 'no lockcode' afaik Jul 24 10:56:10 [2010-07-24 06:22:28] * DocScrutinizer wonders if meanwhile we got a clear howto_reset_devicecode Jul 24 10:57:31 th3hate: code-reset in repository Jul 24 10:57:41 Stskeeps: initrd? how's it going to boot? Jul 24 10:57:43 DocScrutinizer: hmm. okay Jul 24 10:57:46 th3hate: it will reset the code to 12345 Jul 24 10:57:57 Welcome all! Jul 24 10:58:02 that's been about time Jul 24 10:58:06 jacekowski: does it run from android? :) Jul 24 10:58:18 was about to say "where's jacekowski when you need him?" Jul 24 10:58:54 no Jul 24 10:59:26 jacekowski: well... then what's use in it? Jul 24 10:59:36 give me a sec Jul 24 10:59:41 okay, you can mount maemo fs from android. Jul 24 11:00:24 i could make a generic unlocker that unlock phone via usb Jul 24 11:00:57 crashanddie: was "itunes" the reply to [2010-07-24 00:14:18] * DocScrutinizer wonders what becamo of allofmp3 ?? Jul 24 11:01:57 thing is that generic unlocker could be abused Jul 24 11:03:18 Well - you can flash a kernel, and ask it to boot, and that kernel can load a FS over USB, and read out everything from the phone, in under a minute. Jul 24 11:03:48 that requires little bit of skill Jul 24 11:04:50 i was thinking of something that would require you to use some sort of id Jul 24 11:05:04 like pay £1 via credit card and you get imei locked version Jul 24 11:05:33 £1 is a good id, yep Jul 24 11:05:40 credit card is Jul 24 11:05:53 unless it's stolen Jul 24 11:06:18 but that eliminates all low level thiefs Jul 24 11:06:48 * slonopotamus hates autotools Jul 24 11:16:14 hmm Jul 24 11:16:18 can't ssh to the N900 Jul 24 11:16:42 MohammadAG: Did you make its hostname mordor? Jul 24 11:17:20 lol Jul 24 11:20:48 I am thinking of using my N900 as the mail 'email system'. I currently use thundrebird in my notebook and my home pc. I have several email accounts. when away from my computers I use web email interface. what suggestions do you have for me? Jul 24 11:21:43 buy an iphone Jul 24 11:22:23 use imap Jul 24 11:22:49 jacekowski, not funny Jul 24 11:23:10 or, better, read mail through mutt/pine on remote host through ssh :) Jul 24 11:23:26 that's so 1990 Jul 24 11:30:19 I was thinking about using some dedicated email client like thunderbird or Claws Mail or Sylpheed Jul 24 11:32:28 jacekowski: imei-locked costomer-specific was what we had as plan B on OM, if ever our flashing of modem firmware would cause fatalities like erased config (==CAL) areas **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 19:28:14 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 19:31:03 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 24 19:32:16 2010 Jul 24 20:09:40 im thinkin about getting an N900 here when i go into the military. i was wondering if anyone can give me any advice or suggestions Jul 24 20:10:40 Guido-5: why do you want it? Jul 24 20:10:52 Guido-5: get a zahh Jul 24 20:10:54 zagg Jul 24 20:11:22 for SHTF thingymabob and tool Jul 24 20:11:40 SHTF??? Jul 24 20:11:44 i wanna get a solar charger and maybe and extra battery Jul 24 20:11:52 shit hits the fan Jul 24 20:12:07 * luke-jr doesn't get it Jul 24 20:12:24 earth quakes Jul 24 20:12:26 world ending Jul 24 20:12:28 Guido-5: you a programmer? Jul 24 20:12:33 tornado Jul 24 20:12:42 hurricanes Jul 24 20:12:49 udntnome: no Jul 24 20:13:00 if you're in an earthquake or tornado, put the N900 away :P Jul 24 20:13:16 why would i do that Jul 24 20:13:25 N900 is a bit rugged Jul 24 20:13:29 ive dropped it many times Jul 24 20:13:39 at least until you get safe Jul 24 20:13:43 yeah it looks pretty beefy Jul 24 20:13:49 maybe use the N900 as a flashlight if you need light :P Jul 24 20:13:52 use it as a bulletproof vest Jul 24 20:14:04 well im sure it hasa calculator Jul 24 20:14:06 LOL Jul 24 20:14:16 it can store informatin on what to do and how to prepare things Jul 24 20:14:45 i can put videos on there of how to fix things Jul 24 20:15:20 i believe you can get a n900 for like 350 some places Jul 24 20:15:22 it wont just be for me. but also the people that are with me might need to know how to do things or repair things Jul 24 20:15:24 its a good deal Jul 24 20:15:24 Guido-5, what good does an N900 do for you then? Jul 24 20:15:32 Buy ammo or provisions instead. :P Jul 24 20:16:10 GAN900: i might not be near home when SHTF Jul 24 20:16:21 so if i have that it would help out alot Jul 24 20:16:30 and it has GPS Jul 24 20:16:58 where will you be taking this phone? Jul 24 20:17:26 it will be with me most of the time but when im out ona tour i wont have it with me Jul 24 20:17:40 what's the AVRCP version on the N900 is? Jul 24 20:17:43 but on my off time i will Jul 24 20:18:19 it doesn't seem to send song meta-data to my AVRCP 1.3 car stereo Jul 24 20:18:26 im just wondering if there is anything to watch out for in the unit Jul 24 20:18:35 like prone to hot weather Jul 24 20:18:39 or soemthing Jul 24 20:18:55 or something that is super sensative Jul 24 20:19:30 Guido-5: i believe its like every other phone, but it does get hot doing lots of task and espically if you overclock it Jul 24 20:19:55 k Jul 24 20:20:09 my N900 gets fairly hot when Gentoo is compiling stuff Jul 24 20:20:35 whats gentoo? Jul 24 20:21:00 crap linux distro Jul 24 20:21:09 heh Jul 24 20:21:33 uh oh is pavlov done with his experiment? Jul 24 20:22:04 how would you compare the N900 to a droid? Jul 24 20:22:16 Guido-5: build-your-own-OS toolkit basically :P Jul 24 20:22:22 it compiles everything from scratch Jul 24 20:22:52 what on earth would i be compiling? Jul 24 20:22:56 supports Linux, BSD, maybe Mac still, but obviously in context of N900 just Linux-based stuff Jul 24 20:22:56 Guido-5: Driod and Maemo to different OS's Jul 24 20:23:04 you wouldn't if you're just using stock stuff Jul 24 20:23:41 where can I see a list of supported profiles of the N900? Jul 24 20:24:03 so you can put any OS you want on a N900? Jul 24 20:25:50 In principle, yes guido5. Jul 24 20:26:05 Guido-5: not just any OS, but to an extent Jul 24 20:26:06 In practice, you'd need to convince someone to port VMS to it. Jul 24 20:26:25 SpeedEvil: and you'd need to reverse engineer all the closed stuff... Jul 24 20:26:29 no clue what VMS is Jul 24 20:26:30 Guido-5: you'll want to watch out for very weak USB connector. No good idea to drop the phone with cable plugged in Jul 24 20:27:24 Guido-5: also probably want silicon jacket and screen protector, and one or 2 spare batteries with desktop charger Jul 24 20:27:44 yeah thats what i was thinkin Jul 24 20:27:51 Guido-5: N900 is tended for programmer/hacking crawd who like to full around with the phone etc Jul 24 20:28:04 lot of the new phones have gps and play videos etc Jul 24 20:28:05 Guido-5: also the N900 is basically 'open', so even rain might be too much for it Jul 24 20:28:31 DocScrutinizer: seriously? Jul 24 20:28:39 oh...im gonna geta a sealable case for it Jul 24 20:28:41 seriously Jul 24 20:28:49 mine has survived rain Jul 24 20:28:56 wow Jul 24 20:29:30 when water starts running down between screen and keyborad, you fet a watercooled CPU XP Jul 24 20:29:38 not a lot of rain tho, have to take care of my baby <3 Jul 24 20:29:38 <.< Jul 24 20:29:42 get* Jul 24 20:30:37 Guido-5, Otterbox has a product. Jul 24 20:30:44 When closed, it is perhaps 'splashproof' Jul 24 20:37:36 hi Jul 24 20:37:59 is there a way to start x terminal directly with bash Jul 24 20:38:05 (on N900) Jul 24 20:38:55 Yoann512, set it as user's shell Jul 24 20:39:43 Setting bas hs users shell bootlops the phone I believe Jul 24 20:40:05 you mean, in /etc/passwd ? Jul 24 20:40:08 i already did that Jul 24 20:40:14 it start bash Jul 24 20:40:21 but dont load my ~/.bashrc Jul 24 20:40:48 i need to retype "/bin/bash" and then its ok Jul 24 20:41:12 Setting bas hs users shell bootlops the phone I believe Jul 24 20:41:15 why? Jul 24 20:41:31 or rather, how? Jul 24 20:43:43 Simply as the X startup scripts - run as user - must have some ashisms Jul 24 20:43:50 which don't work on bash Jul 24 20:44:07 "must have some ashisms" Jul 24 20:44:13 At least people have reported that it bootloops the device. Jul 24 20:44:33 as in "it probably has ashisms" or "it MUST have ashisms to function properly" Jul 24 20:44:50 Have syntax that is specific to the ash shell in busybox that don't work on bash Jul 24 20:45:18 so, it's potentially fixable, correct? Jul 24 20:48:05 ok, just to stir up the beehive a bit, meamo is a lot more like a purpose built linux distro, rather than a locked in firmware kind of thing like windows mobile/iOS Jul 24 20:48:14 or am i dead wrong? Jul 24 20:48:49 fixable, yes. Jul 24 20:48:55 famicom: yes Jul 24 20:49:26 eh, did you answer the first or the second question :P Jul 24 20:49:55 yes Jul 24 20:50:07 Err Jul 24 20:50:31 yes to liranimas - it's potentially fixable, yes to your question about it being a distro Jul 24 20:52:03 if you're not bootlooping on user's shell set to bash in passwd, then that's just because it doesn't suffice, you also need bash in /etc/shells to allow it for user's defualt shell - then happy reflashing Jul 24 20:52:29 famicom: it's not locked in firmware, but it's not completely open either Jul 24 20:52:55 and rather than "purpose built", I would suggest "usage built" Jul 24 20:53:13 it's designed for finger-touch use, but not so much a specific purpose Jul 24 20:53:17 also you don't have to worry about nokia removing installed software on your phone without you knowing it :P Jul 24 20:53:27 udntnome: no? can't be sure Jul 24 20:53:33 udntnome: quite possible some blob gives them root Jul 24 20:53:54 is it possible to run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade through ssh :P Jul 24 20:53:59 they just SMS you a magic code and their proprietary phone stack sends them control ;) Jul 24 20:54:05 famicom: yes Jul 24 20:54:48 If i do rm -RF /* what will happen Jul 24 20:55:23 you win the internets Jul 24 20:55:44 ghehehe Jul 24 20:55:47 but in all seriousness Jul 24 20:56:49 i gotta renew my cellphone plan in a few days, and i'm looking for a new phone. Up untill now i've used Windows Mobile, which is just plain godawful Jul 24 20:57:34 in all seriousness I doubt RF are the options you meant, and /* will shellexpand to a list of dirs and files that get removed as the builtin last resort catch to stop you from rm -rf / will not help on a list of objects, I guess Jul 24 20:58:11 yeah, you're right Jul 24 20:58:35 how can I see what profiles my N900 supports from a Linux computer? Jul 24 20:58:48 yeah, but more in the sense of, am i deal with ROM or an actual read/write FS Jul 24 20:58:53 hcitool info lists capabilities of the HW, not software stack Jul 24 20:59:00 I'm not eager to verify-test it here for your convenience Jul 24 20:59:52 anyway, i've had crap like pushmail on my phone, but it only works with exchange, which is a pisspoor excuse of an MTA Jul 24 21:00:19 or crap like activesync, etc etc etc Jul 24 21:00:39 LiraNuna: you might want to study http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles Jul 24 21:00:40 i wnat something that will play nice with my linux netbooks and linux based servers Jul 24 21:00:50 DocScrutinizer, already was there Jul 24 21:01:03 DocScrutinizer, I want to see a version of an already "supported" profile Jul 24 21:01:05 even if it means having to do some serious bash-fu Jul 24 21:01:25 LiraNuna: sorry, no idea Jul 24 21:01:31 no problem Jul 24 21:01:55 DocScrutinizer, what version of AVRCP N900 has? Jul 24 21:02:07 ?? Jul 24 21:02:46 wasn't aware it has at all Jul 24 21:03:14 as a part of A2DP Jul 24 21:03:35 A2DP relies on it Jul 24 21:04:44 there we go, sdptool browse Jul 24 21:05:35 Service Name: AVRCP TG Jul 24 21:13:09 LiraNuna, sdptool browse Jul 24 21:13:21 oh Jul 24 21:13:23 :P Jul 24 21:13:24 you discovered Jul 24 21:13:36 well, it doesn't tell me version, just what profil Jul 24 21:13:51 I'm guessing 1.0 as my car stereo can't get the currently playing song name Jul 24 21:17:22 that could be player app fault though, no? Jul 24 21:18:12 on what side? car stereo or N900's Media Player Jul 24 21:19:02 errr, would you use A"DP to scp media to your car audio's player? Jul 24 21:20:00 aiui your car audio is a giant headset in this scenario Jul 24 21:20:52 so no player involved on car side Jul 24 21:21:57 Well A2DP+AVRCP is on the same level of complexity as a media player :-) Jul 24 21:26:50 it would be splendid to get 1.3 working, 1.0 is working great Jul 24 21:26:58 and even pressing play starts the media player Jul 24 21:48:15 yep, Jul 24 21:48:21 Profile Descriptor List: "AV Remote" (0x110e) Version: 0x0100 Jul 24 21:48:25 version 1.0 :( Jul 24 21:49:12 * microlith stares at his N900 with suspicion Jul 24 22:40:03 Does someone here understand how to repartition? I got stuck on the PR1.2 way of repartitioning.. the old way from the wiki doesn't work. Jul 24 22:46:00 I want to increase the /home partiton. I got the partition table finished.. I am just little unsure of the procedure. Jul 24 22:52:31 mhm how can one run out of space on /home ? install all possible apps? Jul 24 22:54:43 When i made my backup it was 4 gig Jul 24 22:56:35 default is 2gig Jul 24 22:56:54 I know.. thus i want to repartition again Jul 24 22:57:50 Don't need vfat so much.. just for camera Jul 24 22:58:09 i only changed mydocs and mmc1 .. home should be doable but i didnt read the wiki page just be creative :) .. the problem is that you have to shutdown anythnig which has files open there to be able to repartition Jul 24 22:58:25 i have ext4 .. for camera too Jul 24 22:58:39 ohhh :) Jul 24 22:58:47 is that possible? Jul 24 22:58:53 hi Jul 24 22:58:56 would love ext4 Jul 24 22:59:02 yes .. but well .. if you dont know how then better dont try Jul 24 22:59:47 and you dont need to repartition or change /home .. the MyDocs is mounted inside there Jul 24 23:00:37 the UI only let's me to format my SD card to VFAT, i would prefer having it as ext3. Trying to umount it success, but mkfs.ext3 still think it's mounted. Checking in file manager actually shows the card, but the size info doesn't make sense. What am I doing wrong? Jul 24 23:01:08 i know Jul 24 23:01:12 the worse you cant just reformat you have to change a lot stuff Jul 24 23:01:35 damn.. it was so easy last time :( Jul 24 23:01:41 does nokia allow the nit-droid guys access to the same blobs that meego is getting? Jul 24 23:01:44 because the nokia scripts mount the first found ext3 as /home and the first found vfat as MyDocs Jul 24 23:02:06 meaning. can they use the linux hal of android and just kind of plug the blobs into it to get the hardware working? or does nokia discourage that? Jul 24 23:02:13 you have to deal with this scripts .. fixing them, or just disabling them and write your own mount stuff Jul 24 23:02:15 (the file info shows that the card size is 227MB, 177MB used, 50MB free while "ls -l" in /media shows a "mmc1" that's 160B) Jul 24 23:02:32 while the card actually is 16GB Jul 24 23:02:44 Macer: the n900 kernel is untainted ... anyone who has a n900 has the license to use this blobs Jul 24 23:03:07 The problem goes away if i remount it, but why this behaviour? Jul 24 23:04:44 that is how i got the table setup.. first vfat then ext3 and last swap. But when i rebooted i got into a reboot loop Jul 24 23:05:02 yes you have to fix the scripts Jul 24 23:05:17 its not the usual mount -a mounting anything from fstab Jul 24 23:05:31 if i flash the PR1.1 would i get the PR1.2 OTA? Jul 24 23:05:32 this sux a bit you have to figure that stuff out Jul 24 23:05:43 why dont you flash 1.2? Jul 24 23:05:48 famicom: the system is fully read-write, no ROMs here Jul 24 23:06:07 expect a sometimes quirky and inconsistant UI, pretty much like linux on desktop Jul 24 23:06:10 i have.. but last time i partitioned i had PR1.1.. Jul 24 23:06:12 apart from that, it's great Jul 24 23:06:16 kerio thanks Jul 24 23:06:40 huh .. flashed the wrong image? Jul 24 23:06:41 and it can't be any worse than windows mobile Jul 24 23:06:41 Now with PR1.2 the reboot loop comes with the same precedure Jul 24 23:07:04 AlMehdi: as far as repartitioning, I just changed sizes and positions, and left the partition table numbered the same Jul 24 23:07:22 you need to flash emmc too when you fucked up the partitioning of the emmc of ocurse Jul 24 23:07:36 and you loose all your date .. if you dont have already :P Jul 24 23:08:13 luke-jr: if the nokia scripts wouldnt be that stupid only Jul 24 23:08:50 cehteh: ? Jul 24 23:08:53 cehteh: it worked fine for me Jul 24 23:09:13 when you change the filesystem type its fucked up Jul 24 23:09:21 just repartitioning may work ... Jul 24 23:09:24 I didn't :p Jul 24 23:09:28 :) Jul 24 23:09:39 I left the existing partition table alone, except for sizes and positions Jul 24 23:09:53 after I changed those, I just tacked on my own at the end :P Jul 24 23:11:53 luke-jr: i have tested with centos and freeswitch, the results were similar to gentoo. crap sip performance. Jul 24 23:12:07 told you XD Jul 24 23:12:11 luke-jr: so you just "sfdisk -d /dev/mmcblk0 > table", edited the table and then "sfdisk --no-reread /dev/mmcblk0 < table" Jul 24 23:12:15 luke-jr: also, i was wrong about 3g, i get poor performance with 3g too Jul 24 23:12:43 AlMehdi: basically Jul 24 23:12:47 luke-jr: so i think it might be that N900 is at fault Jul 24 23:12:51 trumee: oh, that changes everything Jul 24 23:13:00 trumee: no, N900 works fine for me Jul 24 23:13:06 hmm.. that is what i do. But when i reboot it gets into a loop Jul 24 23:13:15 famicom: i mean, you can install and boot fremantle (maemo 5) from a microsd Jul 24 23:13:16 trumee: this new development with 3G means it's your Asterisk/FreeSWITCH config or system Jul 24 23:13:18 or meego Jul 24 23:13:20 or android Jul 24 23:13:50 luke-jr: i have virgin install of centos and freeswitch Jul 24 23:14:12 luke-jr: it works flawless with Linksys ATA. Jul 24 23:14:45 luke-jr: i will wander on the street where i have a better 3g signal to test again Jul 24 23:15:21 i want to do a tcpdump over usb0 but it gives an error Jul 24 23:17:02 luke-jr: do you use your own pbx? Jul 24 23:17:54 trumee: yes Jul 24 23:23:20 SIP isn't easy to debug THAT way. Maybe ATA using G711a codec while N900 for sure using something much more complex and lower bandwidth Jul 24 23:23:51 DocScrutinizer: i made sure both ATA and N900 use PCMU codec Jul 24 23:26:15 so why don't you simply dissect and analyze network traffic on your PBX freeswitch (whatever that is), using e.g wireshark? (strongly recommend) Jul 24 23:26:34 then you'll see whatever the diffs are between ATA and N900 Jul 24 23:27:21 no matter if it's packet loss, jitter, or diferent session negotiation, wireshark will show you Jul 24 23:28:21 once you know where the diffs are, you probably got a decent clue about how to tackle it Jul 24 23:32:58 luke-jr: i have the same shitty experience over usb. Jul 24 23:33:28 I want to learn to develop in qt for N900, and maybe python too, which one should I install and use: qt sdk or maemo sdk? Jul 24 23:33:32 luke-jr: i want to capture a trace and update bug report #10388. Jul 24 23:33:36 fine! so what now? Jul 24 23:34:09 DocScrutinizer: sorry missed you posts Jul 24 23:34:27 smhar: qt sdk is easier to install at least Jul 24 23:34:42 DocScrutinizer: i should run wireshark on PBX rather than N900? Jul 24 23:34:54 sure, why not? Jul 24 23:35:11 that is a good thought. Jul 24 23:35:15 I mean, only there you can compare ATA to N900, no? Jul 24 23:35:25 I have debian so I think thing the other will be too difficult? what other difference other than ease of installation? Jul 24 23:35:34 also you say on N900 you can't even get tcpdump to work Jul 24 23:36:29 i cannot use tcpdump for usb0, it works fine for wlan0 Jul 24 23:37:15 I am googling this but can not seem to find a comparison between the two SDKs Jul 24 23:37:55 smhar: Maemo SDK probably has cross-compiler etc Jul 24 23:38:13 smhar: none of both is suitable for python aiui Jul 24 23:38:59 smhar: maemo sdk utilises scratchbox and is more complete maemo-distribution, but requires more components to be installed Jul 24 23:39:36 smhar: and qt sdk provides a simulator which just simulated maemo look'n'feel Jul 24 23:39:49 of course I'm just simplifying Jul 24 23:39:52 still is not the right environment for pyQt Jul 24 23:40:07 none of both Jul 24 23:40:33 DocScrutinizer: tcpdump on PBX will reflect jitter on N900? Jul 24 23:40:47 smhar: check out this fine tutorial: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/eventsandsignals/ Jul 24 23:41:00 ooops http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4 Jul 24 23:41:50 trumee: if your PBX gets jittery signal from UA then you'll see when tracing traffic with wireshark Jul 24 23:42:20 trumee: if the signal arriving at PBX has no jitter, then where's the problem? Jul 24 23:42:45 aiui your issues are 'upstream', means far end has bad sound Jul 24 23:43:14 DocScrutinizer: No i am simply calling to the voicemail of the PBX. Jul 24 23:43:24 if N900 has bad sound, then probably tracing traffic on sender side PBX won't reveal jitter problems of the line to N900 Jul 24 23:43:39 docscrutinizer, thanks Jul 24 23:43:45 DocScrutinizer: he's tried multiple lines Jul 24 23:44:02 including USBnet directly N900 to PBX Jul 24 23:44:04 Jartza, so If I use the maemo sdk I will get no simulator? Jul 24 23:44:12 and also including my known-good N900 over the internet Jul 24 23:44:39 luke-jr: mhm, and what was the jitter on each of them, what was the packet loss, whicg details had SDP? Jul 24 23:45:04 DocScrutinizer: pretty sure no packet loss from here Jul 24 23:45:14 at least none MTR is picking up Jul 24 23:45:21 well, go on swapping random parts and jumping clockwise or counter.. on one feet until you think you spotted the problem Jul 24 23:45:31 smhar: using maemo sdk you're using real X server (xephyr for instance) and real application framework Jul 24 23:45:45 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Jul 24 23:46:00 smhar: that's also kind of simulator, but "more real" :) Jul 24 23:46:18 and real C Jul 24 23:46:23 and no pyQt Jul 24 23:46:33 Jartza, sound like the maemo sdk wins Jul 24 23:46:52 well you *could* Jul 24 23:46:52 docscrutinizer, c or qt which is c++? Jul 24 23:47:19 docscrutinizer, well I think for python I will use something else Jul 24 23:47:32 I personally like maemo sdk more, but it's just that I'm more of a command-line-guy :) Jul 24 23:48:05 Jartza, so maemo sdk is more command-line and qt sdk is more gui? Jul 24 23:48:25 maemo sdk doesn't include an ide Jul 24 23:48:47 docscrutinizer, can you suggest a pyqt platform? Jul 24 23:49:03 you can use ide if you wish, but you have to install it separately Jul 24 23:49:05 pyqt runs in any shell Jul 24 23:49:27 just start the "sorce"-file, like bash script Jul 24 23:49:31 at least eclipse is possible Jul 24 23:49:37 Jartza, so how do you develop? use qt designer and qt creator ? Jul 24 23:49:58 I use gedit and command-line :) Jul 24 23:50:06 won't work with python, but meh Jul 24 23:50:35 and sometimes designer too to create at least a base to work on Jul 24 23:50:42 qt designer is creating pseudo c++ code sniplets Jul 24 23:51:02 really hard to integrate with python Jul 24 23:51:04 docscrutinizer, I already installed pygtkeditor in N900, and I have drpython on my debian Jul 24 23:51:04 designer creates xml Jul 24 23:52:15 Jartza: ok, maybe it's qmake then Jul 24 23:52:23 that transforms them to c++ Jul 24 23:52:53 I'm not aware of a way to transform to python though Jul 24 23:52:53 nope Jul 24 23:52:58 it's uic Jul 24 23:53:07 right Jul 24 23:53:16 now I remember Jul 24 23:53:21 and for python you have pyuic4 Jul 24 23:53:28 duh! Jul 24 23:53:36 neat Jul 24 23:53:39 :-) Jul 24 23:53:49 I don,t think it's any harder than with C++ :) Jul 24 23:54:09 Jartza: thanks for educating me :-) Jul 24 23:54:11 hey totally off topic question :) if someone was to use the phrase "9 root 2" they're basically saying the square root of 9 right? Jul 24 23:54:31 leave python for now and let us see how to do the qt part. so with maemo sdk, I need to rely on other 'command-line' tools to create the actual code then simulate on the host computer then compile and transfer. is this correct? what about the qt sdk? Jul 24 23:54:54 http://diotavelli.net/PyQtWiki/Creating_GUI_Applications_with_PyQt_and_Qt_Designer Jul 24 23:55:56 smhar: with maemo sdk you create usually 2 "targets" for sscratchbox Jul 24 23:56:00 smhar: Qt isn't creating programs, it's just to create objects (mostly gfx obj) for you, and you need a *real* prog language to use them. This can be either Python or C++ Jul 24 23:56:11 one for x86 and one for arm Jul 24 23:56:53 when you run the apps on your pc you compile and run and debug them in x86 target Jul 24 23:57:23 and when you finally want to compile the app to n900 you switch to arm target (and cross-compiler) Jul 24 23:57:26 moot for python Jul 24 23:57:55 as python isn't exactly compiled Jul 24 23:57:59 docscrutinizer, Jartza, I only have experience with Visual Basic, Delphi -Object Pascal- and little php, so forgive my ignorance and newbieism Jul 24 23:58:07 (leave alone JIT-compiler) Jul 24 23:59:17 http://wiki.answers.com/Q/9_root_2_add_5_root_3 Jul 24 23:59:19 smhar: that's ok :) Jul 24 23:59:34 well, with VB you have a good example. Qt is the windows designer in VB, and you still need some real language you write the code in and that can be Python or C++ (or a lot of others) for Qt, and for VB it's VB sourcecode Jul 25 00:00:27 smhar: but I do suggest learning at least C++ basics before jumping into Qt as it's the "native" lang for Qt Jul 25 00:00:49 http://maemo.org/development/training/ Jul 25 00:01:09 delphi is better as an example Jul 25 00:01:14 luke-jr: i am going back to gentoo, centos wasnt very useful! Jul 25 00:01:20 there's some documents I wrote for Nokia with my colleague Jul 25 00:01:29 qt's designer is like a designer Jul 25 00:01:37 but qt is like vcl Jul 25 00:01:39 trumee: told you Jul 25 00:01:59 although they are mostly for GTK+ but it also covers basic knowledge about maemo and installing the SDK Jul 25 00:02:06 which you could use w/ delphi or c++builder or kylix Jul 25 00:02:11 timeless, and I loved delphi way better than VB anyway :-) Jul 25 00:02:19 luke-jr: if only the Nokia dev could respond. He has stopped communicating. Jul 25 00:03:08 trumee? Jul 25 00:03:20 timeless: yes Jul 25 00:03:24 smhar: check at least the getting started and maybe technology overview from the link Jul 25 00:03:36 what issue/area/dev? Jul 25 00:04:12 timeless: bug 10388, sip, Mikhail Zabaluev Jul 25 00:04:14 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? Jul 25 00:04:15 we spent a lot of time creating those documents. I'm not sure if anyone ever read those :) Jul 25 00:04:17 seems I have a lot of reading to do even before I instal an sdk , petty , I wanted to get a feel :-) Jul 25 00:04:50 * timeless clicks Jul 25 00:05:01 smhar: read those docs, install the maemo sdk. it's a nice way to learn. Jul 25 00:05:23 for easy way, just instgall the qt sdk and start with some qt tutorial :) Jul 25 00:05:24 Jartza, there should be a page with development information as wiki linked from the main maemo.org Jul 25 00:05:52 that was the original plan Jul 25 00:06:25 actually first to have those self/course training materials with their own wiki page with community add-ons Jul 25 00:07:22 but when Qt came, forum nokia took over the process of providing the training materials... and... well... they sucked at it :( Jul 25 00:08:07 now the information is scattered here and there Jul 25 00:08:40 it sometimes pisses me off as we really spent months writing that training material :) Jul 25 00:10:24 I'd love to create same kind of training material for maemo/meego with qt but unfortunately I can't afford to use my time for that now :( Jul 25 00:10:29 there should be an effort to gather those information to help push the development for N900. I have several ideas for different application for N900 that I want to start ranging from games to utilities but I am spending too much time and effort gathering the information from here and google just to start starting Jul 25 00:10:35 ...or maybe even better Jul 25 00:11:43 please note that nokianstend to take the month of july off.. Jul 25 00:12:02 and I also love teaching Jul 25 00:12:38 I've actually trained over 200 nokians to Qt programming basics :) Jul 25 00:14:01 'It reads the manual, or it gets the hose again'. Jul 25 00:14:09 Jartza, can you add another one? I can wait tell end of july :-) Jul 25 00:14:46 hehe Jul 25 00:14:51 a whole week? wow, how patient of you Jul 25 00:14:59 ask nokia? :) Jul 25 00:15:25 they're paying for it. that's how I make my living... Jul 25 00:16:13 * timeless is glad to hear jartza is being paid for his efforts Jul 25 00:16:35 me too Jul 25 00:16:38 :) Jul 25 00:16:53 Jartza, so how to apply? Jul 25 00:17:35 mostly nokians apply through learning center Jul 25 00:18:07 and learning center buys the course from someone. not necessarily from me. Jul 25 00:18:44 although I also sell courses to other companies than nokia too. Jul 25 00:19:38 personal training I haven't tried yet, usually there's at least 3 attendants :) Jul 25 00:20:13 I tend to be much cheaper than the bigger training-houses :) Jul 25 00:21:37 also some universities in finland have also bought me to train maemo-qt Jul 25 00:22:29 so does it cost me anything to apply through Nokia's learning center? Jul 25 00:22:49 no if you work for nokia? :) Jul 25 00:23:00 It's only for nokians Jul 25 00:23:05 * timeless chuckle Jul 25 00:23:07 * timeless chuckles Jul 25 00:23:20 it's billed to our cost centers Jul 25 00:23:27 yes Jul 25 00:23:44 but the cost is living here in finland Jul 25 00:23:55 it*s raining right now.. Jul 25 00:24:05 I travel too :) Jul 25 00:24:16 (and i don"t have a jacket) Jul 25 00:24:33 I've trained people in boston, vancouver and bangalore too :) Jul 25 00:24:40 oh sure, you could live in olou Jul 25 00:24:47 or tampere Jul 25 00:24:54 that's much better Jul 25 00:25:00 I live in nummi-pusula :) Jul 25 00:25:02 :-( Jul 25 00:25:21 oh wait, tyat's still finland but w/ less nightlife Jul 25 00:25:34 the food shops probably close @10p Jul 25 00:25:37 it is hot here, night time now, but it reaches more than 45 degrees noon time in a good day Jul 25 00:25:42 it's countryside. peace and quiet. Jul 25 00:25:51 * timeless just grabbed dinner shortly after 3a Jul 25 00:26:03 3:30am Jul 25 00:26:06 the nearest store is 10km away :) Jul 25 00:26:19 timeless, i hope i get a response after july then Jul 25 00:26:36 trumee: so.. Jul 25 00:26:55 afaict most of our code is in gst upstream git Jul 25 00:27:01 smhar: so, mostly the company buys me to come to train from 3 up to 15 persons at a time Jul 25 00:27:24 and we organize 3 to 5 days course Jul 25 00:27:33 timeless: you work for Nokia? Jul 25 00:27:39 in theory you could probably generate your own Jul 25 00:27:52 unlucky me :-( so my only training is reading, forums and irc channels :-) Jul 25 00:27:55 timeless: in theory :) Jul 25 00:27:59 trumee: either that or i pretend to talk like a nokian for fun Jul 25 00:28:26 I used to work for nokia, but now I'm just an private entrepreneur Jul 25 00:28:41 timeless: isnt Nokia lucky to have community buy their devices and do testing for them :p Jul 25 00:29:24 ... Jul 25 00:29:37 luckier than apple who skips testing altogether? Jul 25 00:29:51 smhar: well if you don't have any company to pay your course, then I would suggest irc, tutorials and books :/ Jul 25 00:29:58 but look at it this way.. Jul 25 00:29:58 trumee: even reverse engineering :-P Jul 25 00:30:03 the source is open Jul 25 00:30:21 so you're actually testing and contributing to open source Jul 25 00:30:33 while you keep a mostly working product Jul 25 00:30:42 smhar: or ask some local universities if they're organizing an open course Jul 25 00:31:02 like they did in finland, in jyväskylä Jul 25 00:31:03 and nokia takes the money you paid to employ people who work on that open source software Jul 25 00:31:40 the course participants only had to pay like 40 euros for the 4 day course Jul 25 00:31:43 timeless: dont get me started on that. I bought N900 mainly for its sip capabilities, and still after 3 months of buying it i have not been able to make one decent call. Jul 25 00:32:01 anyway.. Jul 25 00:32:12 timeless: if i knew this i would have NEVER bought a N900. My N95 rocks with sip calls. Jul 25 00:32:18 * DocScrutinizer yawns Jul 25 00:32:25 it looks like the 'plan' is to add some QoS markers to the packets Jul 25 00:32:49 timeless: now you are talking :) Jul 25 00:33:02 i've had fairly good sip experience w/ my n900 since december or so Jul 25 00:33:09 until this month Jul 25 00:33:13 timeless: netfilters Jul 25 00:33:28 i suspect my sip carrier (nokia) did something stupid :( Jul 25 00:33:31 but still. would be nice to do some online-training too but unfortunately I can't afford that :( Jul 25 00:34:22 not for free. as training is buying my bread atm. Jul 25 00:34:36 timeless: so is there work being carried out for that bug (10388)? Jul 25 00:34:39 trumee: is your sip inbound a phone number or an address? Jul 25 00:34:50 timeless: an address. Jul 25 00:34:53 thanks every body.. need to sleep now, tomorrow I have lots of reading to do :-) Jul 25 00:35:11 there was vaguely useful chatter through june Jul 25 00:35:12 timeless: i am happy to setup an extension for your if you want to try. Jul 25 00:35:26 yeah, i'd like to try Jul 25 00:35:32 timeless: i have tried both asterisk and freeswitch, with the same result Jul 25 00:35:36 in theory i have an ekiga account here Jul 25 00:35:38 hmm. should I sleep too. Jul 25 00:35:39 timeless: how does that make any diff? Jul 25 00:35:50 but i haven't managed to use it Jul 25 00:35:57 docs: which? Jul 25 00:36:06 addr vs number Jul 25 00:36:07 i'm offering "one good call" Jul 25 00:36:28 oh, if it's a number, i'd just call it w/ my nokia sip Jul 25 00:36:48 if it's an address, i'm not sure nokia sip has an interface for that Jul 25 00:36:55 which means trying ekiga Jul 25 00:37:15 yeah, n900 sip client too stupid to call direct sip addresses Jul 25 00:37:58 sorry, by nokia sip, i mean that's my carrier Jul 25 00:38:01 like ekiga Jul 25 00:38:02 ekiga, pff Jul 25 00:38:08 twinkle ftw Jul 25 00:38:19 not nokia sip like the stack/software Jul 25 00:38:20 lol Jul 25 00:40:22 oh well. g'nite everyone Jul 25 00:41:12 anyway QoA can easily be handled outside UA Jul 25 00:41:26 QoS Jul 25 00:42:02 please keep in mind that i'm a browser guy Jul 25 00:42:05 and it's mostly useless nowadays anyway Jul 25 00:42:15 i only use sip and laugh @QoS Jul 25 00:42:25 timeless: so I should rant about MicroB needing SOCKS support? ;) Jul 25 00:42:29 carriers do their own homegrown priorizing Jul 25 00:43:03 luke: gecko supports socks Jul 25 00:43:09 try pac? Jul 25 00:43:14 timeless: pac? wtf? Jul 25 00:43:28 proxy auto config Jul 25 00:45:08 ... Jul 25 00:45:20 it's too late anyway Jul 25 00:45:25 I used iptables to socksify it Jul 25 00:47:06 trumee: second playback was ok Jul 25 00:47:21 but there's some loss from the automated lady Jul 25 00:47:22 timeless: did you have any breaks/gaps? Jul 25 00:47:31 gaps i guess Jul 25 00:47:35 timeless: yes, that is the issue Jul 25 00:47:48 interesting Jul 25 00:47:56 i'm using 3.5g fwiw Jul 25 00:48:01 timeless: with N95 or a Linksys ATA the voice is smooth like butter Jul 25 00:48:24 timeless: you dont have access to wifi? Jul 25 00:48:43 brb Jul 25 00:49:25 kinda hard to use wifi while walking home from food.. Jul 25 00:49:46 besides, your bug blamed powersaving Jul 25 00:49:53 which afaiu is a wifi thing Jul 25 00:50:07 yes, but i have tested with usbnet and i have the same issues Jul 25 00:50:20 that bug is incorrect. it is not a PSM issue Jul 25 00:50:29 you didn't mention that in the bug Jul 25 00:50:34 atleast the bug i have here is not related to psm Jul 25 00:50:43 silly reporter, withholding valuable info Jul 25 00:50:53 :) Jul 25 00:50:59 i checked with usbnet today Jul 25 00:51:33 but if you read the last comment i did mention that PSM is not an issue. i did some tcpdump traces and sent it to Mikhail. Jul 25 00:51:56 yeah the internal Jul 25 00:52:05 unfortunately, tcpdump doesnt work with usbnet. so i cant get the traces for that Jul 25 00:52:06 had some hint it might not be psm Jul 25 00:52:13 but the summary still says psm Jul 25 00:52:16 trumee: tcpdump the other side Jul 25 00:52:16 wait.. Jul 25 00:52:20 timeless: good to know that Jul 25 00:52:24 SpeedEvil: both sides are usbnet :) Jul 25 00:52:29 does this lady actually list numbers? Jul 25 00:52:52 i hear her say "to listen to new messages press (nothing)" Jul 25 00:53:01 i hear her say "to listen to saved messages press (nothing)" Jul 25 00:53:07 ... Jul 25 00:53:22 packets are dropping for you. Jul 25 00:53:26 ok Jul 25 00:53:40 The audio should be continous. Jul 25 00:53:40 it's odd that they're always *those* packets Jul 25 00:54:35 timeless: it's not always those; I listened to it loop a few times and other parts dropped out Jul 25 00:54:43 my guess is that it's at the start of a new recording Jul 25 00:54:47 since this is easy for you to trigger w/ her, is there any reason you couldn't leave an account for testing? Jul 25 00:55:01 luke: yeah it seems to be when samples change Jul 25 00:55:15 hm! Jul 25 00:55:18 maybe it's the recording files Jul 25 00:55:24 and the N900 not liking something in the data Jul 25 00:55:30 btw, my mbp is in for repairs so all i have is this n900 Jul 25 00:55:34 and my other n900 Jul 25 00:55:40 trumee: have you tested with an actual call? Jul 25 00:55:45 well, and my g5 Jul 25 00:55:56 * timeless was hoping to test w/ a live call Jul 25 00:56:13 speaking or listening to voicemail isn't really appealing Jul 25 00:56:27 i mean.. her voice wasn't bad or anything, but.. Jul 25 00:56:30 lol Jul 25 00:56:37 timeless: what's your extension? :p Jul 25 00:56:44 timeless: unfortunately, my partner will shoot me if the phone rings at 2 am :) Jul 25 00:56:52 heh Jul 25 00:57:02 trumee: timeless and I can chat then Jul 25 00:57:08 poke me in +16 or so? Jul 25 00:57:19 timeless: are you 3001? Jul 25 00:57:26 but yeah if you can setup a bridge.. Jul 25 00:57:38 s/setup/set up/ Jul 25 00:57:38 timeless meant: but yeah if you can set up a bridge.. Jul 25 00:57:42 ... Jul 25 00:57:44 ok, let me setup a extension for timeless Jul 25 00:57:49 3001? Jul 25 00:58:10 yup, will do that. just a sec Jul 25 00:58:15 timeless: I'm extension 3000, so I figured you'd be 3001 Jul 25 00:58:17 :p Jul 25 00:58:40 hacking his service already? Jul 25 00:59:24 * timeless is pleasantly surprised that the call was established at all Jul 25 00:59:33 no, I tested earlier Jul 25 00:59:53 timeless: yeah, I had NAT issues when I setup my own SIP... Jul 25 01:00:08 then DNS issues... :p Jul 25 01:00:32 luke-jr: i dont see you registered Jul 25 01:00:37 trumee: ... Jul 25 01:00:43 ok, someone gets to talk me through setting up sip :) Jul 25 01:00:47 my N900 is being very slow Jul 25 01:01:05 luke-jr: i have setup 3001 for timeless Jul 25 01:01:24 the last sip i set up was new year's eve (literally) Jul 25 01:01:34 "Internet connection required" Jul 25 01:01:37 F U N900 >:O Jul 25 01:01:58 trumee: "Authentication failed" Jul 25 01:02:01 luke: i've been meaning to fix that error Jul 25 01:02:11 luke-jr: hmm. let me check that Jul 25 01:02:17 it should say "account is not connected" Jul 25 01:02:22 timeless: yes Jul 25 01:02:29 timeless: or attempt regardless Jul 25 01:02:39 SIP can work w/o an active registration Jul 25 01:02:48 luke-jr: no your username and password are same as before Jul 25 01:03:25 i can see timeless has now registered Jul 25 01:03:59 seriously, my N900 is lagging like crazy Jul 25 01:05:10 we keep getting disconnected O.o Jul 25 01:05:14 7s of audio isn't much Jul 25 01:05:33 timeless: I'm not hanging up Jul 25 01:05:33 are you able to hear each other? Jul 25 01:05:41 trumee: until we get disconnected Jul 25 01:05:49 i can hear the little one respond to me Jul 25 01:05:59 with a question Jul 25 01:06:04 very cute btw Jul 25 01:06:23 no idea why you are getting disconnected Jul 25 01:06:35 trumee: that's what asterisk -vvvvvvvvvr is for Jul 25 01:06:41 heh Jul 25 01:06:58 ok, got a network error for your sip Jul 25 01:07:15 nothing in the log of freeswitch Jul 25 01:07:57 give me a sec and i will setup extensions in asterisk Jul 25 01:09:09 Jul 25 04:06:17 Nokia-N900 maemo-launcher[2234]: opening of /usr/bin/rtcom-accounts-ui.launch took 9583 usec Jul 25 01:09:09 Jul 25 04:06:17 Nokia-N900 rtcom-accounts-ui[2234]: GLIB WARNING ** mc-client - Unrecognized presence `online' Jul 25 01:09:09 Jul 25 04:06:18 Nokia-N900 rtcom-accounts-ui[2234]: GLIB WARNING ** rtcom-accounts-ui - VALUE NOT FOUND Jul 25 01:09:09 Jul 25 04:06:18 Nokia-N900 rtcom-accounts-ui[2234]: GLIB WARNING ** rtcom-accounts-ui - VALUE NOT FOUND Jul 25 01:09:33 wtf? Jul 25 01:09:45 * timeless admires that second line Jul 25 01:12:07 trumee: meh, lemme test w/ FS again Jul 25 01:12:42 Jul 25 04:04:44 Nokia-N900 telepathy-stream-engine[2211]: GLIB WARNING ** default - bus_async_handler: got warning: Internal GStreamer error: clock problem. Please file a bug at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=GStreamer. (gstbin.c(2308): gst_bin_do_latency_func (): /GstPipeline:pipeline0/FsRtpConference:fsrtpconference0/GstBin:bin1: Failed to configure latency of 0:00:00.000000000) Jul 25 01:12:43 luke-jr: you sure, i have rebooted into asterisk now? Jul 25 01:13:01 trumee: I don't care which, just let me talk to timeless :p Jul 25 01:13:05 did you guys ever actually file a bug in bgo? Jul 25 01:13:46 yeah, lemme talk to his lil' one :) Jul 25 01:13:55 :p Jul 25 01:14:03 you might actually get to talk to the little one this time Jul 25 01:14:05 jr jr? Jul 25 01:14:09 last time was the 2 year old Jul 25 01:14:40 sorry for both of you password is now abcd123 Jul 25 01:14:59 limitation of my freepbx/* needs stronger passwords Jul 25 01:15:15 i have setup extensions for you with the above password in asterisk Jul 25 01:15:19 good to go. Jul 25 01:15:23 * luke-jr wonders how long until cracklib starts indexing IRC logs and banning words found Jul 25 01:16:33 3001 isnt registered yet Jul 25 01:16:41 timeless: slowpoke Jul 25 01:16:47 sorry, was in another window Jul 25 01:16:47 ok, both up now Jul 25 01:17:15 gell over? Jul 25 01:17:20 s/g/f/ Jul 25 01:17:20 timeless meant: fell over? Jul 25 01:17:42 again? Jul 25 01:18:11 Jul 25 04:17:00 Nokia-N900 e-addressbook-factory[1173]: GLIB WARNING ** eds/tp - avatar_updated_cb at e-book-backend-tp-cl.c:1122: got AvatarUpdated for contact we don't know about (handle: 1) Jul 25 01:18:17 it doesn't work Jul 25 01:18:19 brb Jul 25 01:18:29 that's a cute error Jul 25 01:18:53 . Jul 25 01:19:07 oh yeah, this n900 seems to be running pr1.2 fwiw Jul 25 01:19:22 timeless: you phone is registering and unregistering again and again Jul 25 01:19:35 what should i do? Jul 25 01:19:50 it's too cute to kick Jul 25 01:20:00 http://www.pastebin.org/416387 Jul 25 01:20:08 and i'm running out of personal computers :( Jul 25 01:20:45 your 3g connection is flaky i guess Jul 25 01:21:43 this is wifi Jul 25 01:21:46 Jul 25 04:20:58 Nokia-N900 osso-addressbook[1703]: GLIB WARNING ** libosso-abook - (osso-abook-avatar-cache.c:158):prune_n_items: runtime check failed: (queue_length != g_hash_table_size (priv->cached_images)) Jul 25 01:21:54 i switched after i said "brb" Jul 25 01:22:16 timeless: unregistered again Jul 25 01:22:50 * timeless wonders why osso-addressbook is complaining Jul 25 01:22:52 timeless: i guess you need to set your keep alive period low Jul 25 01:23:06 as a user, i don't have an address book window open.. Jul 25 01:23:19 trumee: pretend i'm an end user Jul 25 01:23:29 where do i go to change whatever? Jul 25 01:23:58 timeless: in sip settings, Advanced. Keep alive period, set it to 30sec Jul 25 01:24:41 oh, 30s, not 1m Jul 25 01:24:59 timeless: i guess lower will be better. Jul 25 01:25:26 well guys, I have to go give my older 3 a bath Jul 25 01:25:31 * timeless selects 30s Jul 25 01:25:35 so... back in 30 mins maybe? Jul 25 01:25:46 it's 4:30am here Jul 25 01:25:50 XD Jul 25 01:25:51 i might be asleep Jul 25 01:26:01 but that's doutful, tv to watch.. Jul 25 01:26:07 heh Jul 25 01:26:08 so poke me Jul 25 01:26:10 timeless, luke-jr: i will have the extensions for you Jul 25 01:26:27 but i might be asleep. but you dont need me. Jul 25 01:26:56 trumee: connection still seems unhappy? Jul 25 01:27:13 timeless: it is currently unregistered. Jul 25 01:28:04 * timeless kicks it Jul 25 01:28:05 timeless: can you go offline on availability and online again. Jul 25 01:28:10 trumee: does your PBX have a local firewall? Jul 25 01:28:20 timeless: ok, it is registered now Jul 25 01:28:27 luke-jr: no firewall here Jul 25 01:28:40 not even modules loaded? Jul 25 01:28:43 Jul 25 04:27:57 Nokia-N900 osso-addressbook[1703]: GLIB WARNING ** libosso-abook - (osso-abook-avatar-cache.c:158):prune_n_items: runtime check failed: (queue_length != g_hash_table_size (priv->cached_images)) Jul 25 01:28:43 Jul 25 04:28:02 Nokia-N900 last message repeated 117 times Jul 25 01:28:50 oh well, bbiab Jul 25 01:28:56 timeless: gone offline again Jul 25 01:29:12 yeah, i see the green (!) Jul 25 01:29:16 timeless: luke-jr connection alright though Jul 25 01:29:44 this is the fp instead of asterisk? Jul 25 01:29:56 no this is * Jul 25 01:30:11 why did it work before? Jul 25 01:30:11 is your auto-dectect stun enabled? Jul 25 01:30:32 yes Jul 25 01:30:38 should it be? Jul 25 01:30:45 yes, it should be Jul 25 01:30:58 the only change i made was timeout=30s Jul 25 01:31:12 previously (when you had a 7s call) it was in freeswitch Jul 25 01:31:29 brb Jul 25 01:32:11 3.5g, no fw Jul 25 01:32:16 hmm. it has registered now Jul 25 01:32:47 you could try calling 904, it is an echo service Jul 25 01:33:01 the wifi router i have here is fairly standard nokia issue to employees Jul 25 01:33:03 sure Jul 25 01:33:06 or *43 Jul 25 01:33:39 timeless: no wonder N900 is buggy :p Jul 25 01:34:01 904 seems fine Jul 25 01:34:29 timeless: yes, it is alright some times. Jul 25 01:35:28 timeless: when the call craps out the solution is to put the call on hold and then it works fine for a few seconds Jul 25 01:35:37 * timeless nods Jul 25 01:35:46 i did read the bug report ;p Jul 25 01:36:43 timeless: so have the devs identified a solution? Jul 25 01:36:59 trumee: i'll get the wifi router specs some other time Jul 25 01:37:15 they only suggested adding qos markers Jul 25 01:37:35 i guess they hoped that'd avoid the problem Jul 25 01:37:37 timeless: also wondering whether mikhail updated the internal bug report with the second trace i sent him Jul 25 01:38:03 * peb_ is gone. Gone since Wed Jul 21 19:58:59 2010 Jul 25 01:38:17 give me a rough "after date"? Jul 25 01:38:26 timeless: unfortunately, i did not get acknowledgement from him, although u update the bug report Jul 25 01:38:37 timeless: 2010-07-03 Jul 25 01:38:58 nope Jul 25 01:39:12 he might be on vacation Jul 25 01:39:57 * timeless doesn't feel like asking outlook to schedule a meeting to verify this Jul 25 01:40:06 timeless: :) Jul 25 01:40:34 i know his facebook handle :) Jul 25 01:41:02 so... Jul 25 01:41:13 * timeless doesn't have fb Jul 25 01:41:21 * lcuk makes note not to drive 200 miles at end of a long day Jul 25 01:42:04 kinda like trying to cycle from santa cruz back to santa clara after 7pm? Jul 25 01:42:06 Are there people outside nokia working on sip as well? There was somebody from collabora commenting on that bug report as well Jul 25 01:42:11 doesn't work well Jul 25 01:42:19 timeless, 200 miles starting at 11pm Jul 25 01:42:20 they work w/ us Jul 25 01:42:24 not good Jul 25 01:42:55 how far is the santa cruz route Jul 25 01:43:22 olivier crete or such? Jul 25 01:43:42 timeless: your sip connection on 3g has been farely stable now Jul 25 01:43:48 timeless: yes Jul 25 01:43:49 the other way is 3:30 Jul 25 01:44:09 i've never successfully returned from santa cruz Jul 25 01:44:11 iirc Jul 25 01:44:22 going down from santa clara is easy Jul 25 01:44:42 * lcuk just left olivier i think Jul 25 01:45:03 (since we were at collabora 5th birthday bash Jul 25 01:45:40 gmaps says 4h 21m Jul 25 01:46:09 34.4mi Jul 25 01:46:15 cool, i just somehow managed to be home under the gmaps estimate :$ Jul 25 01:46:28 (for my journey) Jul 25 01:47:29 the path seems familiar Jul 25 01:47:59 anyway, cycling is best done in the morning Jul 25 01:48:03 or downhill Jul 25 01:48:17 not stuffed and tired uphill Jul 25 01:48:22 i had a mad cycle dash across cambridge and back last night Jul 25 01:48:36 I solved my partition problem. I reflashed to PR1.1 and then i partitioned like before. When i was done i just upgraded to PR1.2 OTA. Jul 25 01:48:39 * timeless misses cycling Jul 25 01:49:05 * timeless misses cali Jul 25 01:49:14 how long till you are back there? Jul 25 01:49:28 or is it at your descretion? Jul 25 01:49:28 indeterminate Jul 25 01:49:32 yep Jul 25 01:49:37 :) Jul 25 01:49:37 well Jul 25 01:49:46 more like winds/wings of fate Jul 25 01:49:55 i'd need a job Jul 25 01:50:25 cali isn't a great place to be w/o income.. Jul 25 01:50:49 otoh, qgil managed to get there (using nok!) Jul 25 01:51:25 * lcuk nods Jul 25 01:53:35 wow, google st view requires flash10 Jul 25 01:54:17 so, gmaps overshot my place by perhaps 5mins on the destination :) Jul 25 01:54:33 and maybe 10mins on the origin Jul 25 01:54:42 but otherwise the path was correct Jul 25 01:55:24 oh, but my starting point to go down to sc tended to be 30mins south of sc which probably accounts for the rest Jul 25 01:55:55 timeless: i need to get some sleep now. i have update the bug report to reflect my findings on usbnet and your/luke-jr tests. Thanks for your help. Jul 25 01:56:10 ... Jul 25 01:56:32 trumee, which bug btw Jul 25 01:56:44 lcuk: #10388 Jul 25 01:57:21 bug #10388 Jul 25 01:57:23 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? Jul 25 01:57:25 oh, i tohught it was an nb# Jul 25 01:57:32 heya crashanddie \o Jul 25 01:57:36 yo lcuk Jul 25 01:58:04 * lcuk finds the nb Jul 25 02:05:39 the audio seems fine Jul 25 02:05:40 i should have setup extensions using g729. Jul 25 02:05:50 no video Jul 25 02:05:57 because i mostly use that Jul 25 02:07:32 timeless: i have updated the codecs allowed. you will have video this time using h263 Jul 25 02:07:45 timeless: also, i have set g729 as the first codec Jul 25 02:08:05 so with audio only, you will use g729. With video you will use h263 Jul 25 02:09:51 timeless: audio is very unpredictable, it works for about 10 minutes and then voice screws up. Jul 25 02:10:34 timeless: one-off testing doesnt give the right picture. Jul 25 02:12:38 ok, he's going to read a book Jul 25 02:12:48 and i'll charge my phone Jul 25 02:13:03 timeless: was this audio again this time? Jul 25 02:13:27 video seems to kill audio for this uplink Jul 25 02:13:47 in theory it's a video call but w/ cameras off on both sides Jul 25 02:14:09 @4mins now Jul 25 02:14:14 hmm. i have never tested video call at length Jul 25 02:14:37 the packets traces i sent to mikhail were shorter than these. Jul 25 02:14:39 well it isn't carrying video right now Jul 25 02:14:56 yes, but the codec will be h263 rather than g729 Jul 25 02:14:59 i think Jul 25 02:15:05 hrm Jul 25 02:15:36 Jul 25 05:15:09 Nokia-N900 telepathy-stream-engine[2547]: dsph263enc0: failed waiting for events Jul 25 02:15:36 Jul 25 05:15:11 Nokia-N900 last message repeated 2 times Jul 25 02:16:28 Jul 25 05:15:11 Nokia-N900 telepathy-stream-engine[2547]: GLIB WARNING ** default - bus_async_handler: got warning: Compensating for audio synchronisation problems (gstbaseaudiosink.c(1515): gst_base_audio_sink_render (): /GstPipeline:pipeline0/GstPulseSink:pulsesink0: Unexpected discontinuity in audio timestamps of more than half a second (0:00:00.600750000), resyncing) Jul 25 02:16:55 setting up the voice mail extension for mikhail will be good. Unfortunately, that is with freeswitch which sits on the other partiton. i need to reboot to get into that Jul 25 02:17:13 hmm, i notice the n900 keep losing the automatic/manual network selection settings. Jul 25 02:17:13 timeless: are these in your syslog? Jul 25 02:17:17 yep Jul 25 02:17:34 i can probably provide the logs Jul 25 02:17:48 after i verify they don't have anything confi Jul 25 02:18:11 maybe you can attach to that bug or the nokia internal buglog Jul 25 02:18:36 confi can mean personal :) Jul 25 02:18:56 we had a bug about calendar not showing my birthday on a colleague's n900 Jul 25 02:19:17 he wasn't willing to share his contacts database Jul 25 02:19:36 luke-jr: is this curious george? Jul 25 02:20:07 indeed, it is Jul 25 02:20:09 timeless: Hopefuly mikhail will come back to after the vacation. I could then setup the test number for him. it would be best if he could come on irc. But mixing work with hobby isnt for everybody :) Jul 25 02:20:41 infobot seen mikhail Jul 25 02:20:42 mikhail <~mikhail@c-98-225-30-108.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 48d 22h 21m 59s ago, saying: 'hello'. Jul 25 02:21:02 hrm, not necessarily the right mikhail Jul 25 02:21:10 timeless: :) Jul 25 02:21:24 we're @11min Jul 25 02:21:30 audio is still fine Jul 25 02:21:40 there's coughing but that's genuine Jul 25 02:22:28 hey, that is good. Jul 25 02:22:46 maybe the pbx works better at night Jul 25 02:23:00 can you use h323 as your audio stack? Jul 25 02:23:34 hrm, it might have cut out Jul 25 02:23:44 but i suspect he moved away from the mic Jul 25 02:23:59 not sure, i could stick it in the codecs field and hope it works Jul 25 02:25:03 i'm pretty sure he's further from the mic right now Jul 25 02:25:24 right. Jul 25 02:26:34 * timeless wishes for a bandwidth monitor Jul 25 02:26:49 ms has had one since win 4 Jul 25 02:27:38 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-us-canada-10753021 Jul 25 02:27:40 i have removed h263 from the codec list. So the only codecs allower are g729, ulaw and alaw Jul 25 02:28:55 ok Jul 25 02:29:20 ok, i am going off to bed now. goodnight all. Jul 25 02:31:03 it's a little choppy now Jul 25 02:32:30 CPU: 55.1% usr 15.9% sys 0.0% nice 27.1% idle 0.0% io 0.0% irq 1.7% softirq Jul 25 02:45:43 timeless: say what? :p Jul 25 02:46:51 .. Jul 25 02:47:09 there was some water garbling near the end Jul 25 02:47:17 but that's the wrong problem Jul 25 02:47:54 so .. codec could be immune Jul 25 02:48:01 or we could have missed Jul 25 02:48:20 we can try again in +12h or so w/ non h323 Jul 25 02:48:39 I poured Pepsi... Jul 25 02:48:57 whilest, I heard a lot of loud noise I thought on your end Jul 25 02:50:13 timeless: apparently my IPv4 flaked out at some point while we were on the call BTW Jul 25 02:52:38 thp, technically, yes, but effectively no.. github.com/lcuk has latest live library (pushed after video) and also within liqbase-playground is a sub project called invar - which does the full inverse ar stuff Jul 25 02:52:54 the mouse is just a thought expiriment ontop of that data Jul 25 02:53:45 lcuk: what's that? liqbase-based video calling? Jul 25 02:54:15 no, the inverse ar stuff I showed - realworld n900 positioning Jul 25 02:54:36 the code and projects I used are there :) i cleaned it up a bit more and made the example usable Jul 25 02:54:38 o Jul 25 02:54:53 its an image viewer where the image is actually a tile of 9 n900s in size Jul 25 02:59:51 yeah, I got that **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 25 02:59:57 2010