**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 30 02:59:58 2010
Jul 30 03:03:31 <SirSpam> EdLin: I'm running Windows 7 as my host system. Then VirtualBox is hosting the Maemo SDK, then the Maemo SDK is hosting the ESbox for the actual maemo install..
Jul 30 03:03:54 <SirSpam> So I can't compare the files, but the ip addresses are correct
Jul 30 03:05:57 <SirSpam> the Maemo SDK (Ubuntu Image) can browse the internet. It's just the ESbox thing can't.
Jul 30 03:08:16 <luke-jr> is it possible to reset trackerd?
Jul 30 03:08:30 <luke-jr> mine must be corrupt or something, since it never finishes and never knows about my media
Jul 30 03:09:11 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: no such thing? I have an external Bluetooth charger, why wouldn't the same principles apply to antenna?
Jul 30 03:16:10 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jul 30 03:16:19 <SpeedEvil> rm -rf /
Jul 30 03:16:21 <SpeedEvil> err
Jul 30 03:16:32 <SpeedEvil>  /home/user/.tracker/cache or something
Jul 30 03:17:12 <SpeedEvil>  /home/user/.cache/tracker/
Jul 30 03:23:11 <luke-jr> on the other hand, why the heck does trackerd *only* run when I'm using it⁈?
Jul 30 03:25:00 <SpeedEvil> read the config file
Jul 30 03:25:07 <SpeedEvil> I've managed to tame it for me.
Jul 30 03:36:52 <DocScrutinizer> could we file a bug ticket against that braindamaged concept?
Jul 30 03:39:46 <asj> DocScrutinizer: if we filed a big against every brain damaged concept we would never get any work done
Jul 30 03:41:11 <mortini> haha
Jul 30 03:41:30 <DocScrutinizer> let's figure it, you take three snapshots of your child biking, then want to show it to Mom, and have to pick them out between all the pr0n showing up in the unified pictures view
Jul 30 03:41:44 <GAN900> An attitude that's clearly led to an efficient, stable and pleasant-to-use platform. . . .
Jul 30 03:43:35 <DocScrutinizer> that's so incredibly daft, there's no words for that
Jul 30 03:44:02 <DocScrutinizer> what for we actually got a hirachical filesystem?
Jul 30 03:45:49 <DocScrutinizer> we could as well use flat filesystem without any folders, like we got on cpm
Jul 30 03:46:19 <EdLin> DocScrutinizer, CP/M 2.x had "user", a way to hide files and show them.
Jul 30 03:46:29 <DocScrutinizer> yep, 16 afaik
Jul 30 03:46:37 <DocScrutinizer> all media goes to user 9
Jul 30 03:47:41 <EdLin> DocScrutinizer, you're making my brain hurt, I haven't read a CP/M manual in over 20 years.
Jul 30 03:48:39 <EdLin> most of the whippersnappers on the channel are younger than my CP/M manuals.
Jul 30 03:49:30 <DocScrutinizer> tracker concept & mediaplayer/photos viewer makes *my* brain hurt
Jul 30 03:50:04 <EdLin> DocScrutinizer, does canola use that stuff?
Jul 30 03:50:29 <DocScrutinizer> nope but it has other massive bugs afaik
Jul 30 03:51:04 <EdLin> DocScrutinizer, when I used my n810 half the time as a glorified iPod, I prefered canola to the default media player.
Jul 30 03:54:35 <EdLin> DocScrutinizer, I don't know what the situation's like on the n900, has the default media player gotten better, or maybe canola got worse? ;-)
Jul 30 03:55:23 <DocScrutinizer> canola for example has no hw acceleration
Jul 30 03:55:41 <EdLin> DocScrutinizer, the n810 has no hw acceleration for anything. ;-)
Jul 30 03:55:53 <CasTTeLLo> hello
Jul 30 03:55:55 * dunz0r is quite satisified with the default player in his N900
Jul 30 03:56:16 <EdLin> it's a case then of "canola got worse".
Jul 30 03:56:31 <EdLin> or the n900 got better, rather.
Jul 30 03:56:42 <CasTTeLLo> hi guys
Jul 30 03:56:47 <EdLin> hello
Jul 30 03:56:50 <dunz0r> Hi CasTTeLLo
Jul 30 03:57:01 <CasTTeLLo> hi dunz0r
Jul 30 03:57:07 <DocScrutinizer> also iirc I found the concept in canola on N900 not exactly superior to the braindead tracker idiocy in mediaplayer. At least was so bad I forgot about details
Jul 30 03:57:31 <CasTTeLLo> so wat is the topic of the day??
Jul 30 03:57:32 <CasTTeLLo> heeee
Jul 30 03:57:45 * CasTTeLLo :)
Jul 30 03:57:54 <EdLin> CasTTeLLo, tracker idiocy in the default media player and CP/M.
Jul 30 03:58:20 <CasTTeLLo> thanks EdLin
Jul 30 03:58:23 <CasTTeLLo> gtg
Jul 30 03:58:25 <EdLin> any time
Jul 30 03:58:30 <CasTTeLLo> brb
Jul 30 03:58:47 <DocScrutinizer> CP/M beats tracker - runs circles around it
Jul 30 03:58:53 <CasTTeLLo> N900 rock!
Jul 30 03:58:56 <EdLin> I see the topic excites you so much that you're staying around for more.
Jul 30 03:59:00 <CasTTeLLo> adios
Jul 30 03:59:47 <EdLin> DocScrutinizer, yeah, CP/M can really play those MP3s good too.
Jul 30 04:00:08 <DocScrutinizer> no reason why not
Jul 30 04:00:15 <EdLin> DocScrutinizer, those Z-80s have terrific math crunching.
Jul 30 04:00:22 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Jul 30 04:01:00 <DocScrutinizer> I bet a OPAM @ 600MHz can emulate a 250MHz Z80
Jul 30 04:01:04 <EdLin> DocScrutinizer, not to mention H264 acceleration, and maybe even some Vorbis acceleration, my memory fails me.
Jul 30 04:01:26 <DocScrutinizer> s/OPAM/OMAP
Jul 30 04:01:51 <EdLin> DocScrutinizer, I bet it'd beat a typical Z-80 system of the day, in emulation, without a problem.
Jul 30 04:02:13 <EdLin> what did the Z80s stop at, 12Mhz?
Jul 30 04:02:27 <DocScrutinizer> yep something like that
Jul 30 04:02:28 <EdLin> and even then, they had awful clock cycle efficiency.
Jul 30 04:02:52 <EdLin> like anything intel or intel-based before the 80286.
Jul 30 04:03:09 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, 16 cycles for a MUL
Jul 30 04:03:17 <DocScrutinizer> or 32
Jul 30 04:03:18 <EdLin> Z-80 had MUL?
Jul 30 04:03:32 <DocScrutinizer> sure, 16bit MUL
Jul 30 04:03:37 <EdLin> hah.
Jul 30 04:03:50 <DocScrutinizer> no?
Jul 30 04:04:08 <EdLin> of course, a 6502 could do some multiplication faster than an 8088 which had a hardware MUL instruction, because it was so bad at it.
Jul 30 04:04:23 <DocScrutinizer> I just remeber CD was call subroutine and C9 was rreturn. Even that might be wrong
Jul 30 04:04:37 <EdLin> you're right about CD.
Jul 30 04:04:44 <DocScrutinizer> 0xCD and 0xC9
Jul 30 04:04:47 <EdLin> I remember 6502 a bit better than Z-80.
Jul 30 04:05:42 <EdLin> 6502 had a good RISC instruction set, as much as one could talk about an 8 bit being RISC.
Jul 30 04:05:59 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Jul 30 04:06:18 <EdLin> it also had more addressing modes than the 8080.
Jul 30 04:06:26 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Jul 30 04:07:01 <EdLin> I still don't know if I can keep straight indexed indirect and indirect indexed. ;-)
Jul 30 04:07:34 <DocScrutinizer> but then Z-80 had 2 register banks. Invaluable for ultrafast IRQ service routines
Jul 30 04:07:59 <EdLin> DocScrutinizer, what's an IRQ? Something that's better than memory mapped soft switches?
Jul 30 04:08:40 <EdLin> ;-)
Jul 30 04:09:38 <EdLin> the Z-80 was a great controller chip, but a mediocre CPU. The 8088 and it's offspring have been just more and more roccoco on the 8080 foundation.
Jul 30 04:09:53 <DocScrutinizer> IRQ is a electrically triggered indexed jump to an address that's defined in a table at pos <index> which table start addr offset is in IRQ pointer register
Jul 30 04:10:24 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
Jul 30 04:10:29 <EdLin> DocScrutinizer, you sound like an intel manual.
Jul 30 04:10:54 <EdLin> or wikipedia
Jul 30 04:12:11 <EdLin> memory mapped hardware addressing seemed to me to be more elegant, regardless of the value of doing it another way in the embedded sphere at the time.
Jul 30 04:12:21 <DocScrutinizer> I forgot to add: ... out of arbitrary program text, while current content of PC is pushed on stack before addr from IRQ table is stored to PC
Jul 30 04:12:38 <EdLin> DocScrutinizer, you're a stack.
Jul 30 04:21:45 <DocScrutinizer> or was it like that: the IRQ controller chip supplied an 8 bit IRQ subroutine addr to databus during assertion of IRQ line?
Jul 30 04:22:38 * DocScrutinizer shrugs
Jul 30 04:23:04 <DocScrutinizer> prolly no Z-80 out ther anymore nowadays
Jul 30 04:31:09 <Macer> haha
Jul 30 04:31:57 <Macer> anybody here running morphos?
Jul 30 04:32:03 <Macer> looks good
Jul 30 04:33:08 <RST38h> moo all
Jul 30 05:01:35 <Macer> hm
Jul 30 05:01:47 <Macer> http://code.google.com/p/pyrit/
Jul 30 05:02:12 <Macer> wonder what kind of numbers a 600MHz omap can crunch out :)
Jul 30 05:11:50 <slonopotamus> Macer: ~ twice less than at 1.1GHz :P
Jul 30 05:12:46 <slonopotamus> btw, looks like kernel from extras did smth to powersavings. my n900 now works longer
Jul 30 05:13:32 <slonopotamus> Macer: and, crunching numbers with python is some evil joke.
Jul 30 05:13:57 <Macer> haha
Jul 30 05:14:24 <Macer> slonopotamus: maybe you can use gentoo to do it with something else.
Jul 30 05:14:58 <Macer> although i think it does some sort of dist type deal but i don't know. i haven't tried it
Jul 30 05:15:18 <slonopotamus> i observed python being 100-1000 times slower than C on heavy calculations tasks
Jul 30 05:15:22 <Macer> it would be nice to send pkts from the n900 to some retarded sized cluster
Jul 30 05:15:36 <Macer> hey. it has cuda and stream support
Jul 30 05:15:59 <Macer> you can just install 4 outrageously overpriced nvidia cards and get massive calculation throughput
Jul 30 05:16:08 <Macer> :)
Jul 30 05:16:09 <slonopotamus> Macer: you got cuda on n900? :)
Jul 30 05:16:25 <Macer> yeah. just waiting on the blob :-P
Jul 30 05:17:15 <Macer> there probably is some deactivated nvidia chip in it that can calculate the position of all matter of the universe by taking a picture of one section of the night sky
Jul 30 05:17:37 <slonopotamus> :)
Jul 30 05:18:08 <Macer> v2 will do dark matter
Jul 30 05:19:09 <Macer> maybe do some string theory calculations in order to determine the shape of the mass within an event horizon ... so much potential the n900 has
Jul 30 05:22:43 <Macer> i bet meego can do it
Jul 30 05:22:45 * Macer hides
Jul 30 05:23:29 <Macer> wow. just realized chrome has tab completion for wikipedia searching :) i can't stand google but love chrome
Jul 30 05:23:32 <Macer> best browser ever made
Jul 30 05:28:52 <MiXu-> Macer: Tab completion? Doesn't work for me. Which version do you have?
Jul 30 05:29:15 <Macer> in the address bar.. type wiki and hit tab ;)
Jul 30 05:29:39 <Macer> 5.0.375.125
Jul 30 05:29:56 <Macer> i did it by accident
Jul 30 05:30:11 <Macer> it was like opening a dictionary to the page with the word you were looking for
Jul 30 05:31:08 <slonopotamus> Macer: i think it was autocomplete from things you searched.
Jul 30 05:31:14 <MiXu-> for me wiki + hitting tab just goes to wiki.maemo.org :)
Jul 30 05:31:35 <Macer> slonopotamus: nope. it just does this....
Jul 30 05:31:47 <MiXu-> Oo, there's 6.0.447.0 Beta
Jul 30 05:31:48 * timeless_mbp finally gets around to rsyncing fremantle1.2 to mxr.meego.org
Jul 30 05:31:56 <Macer> Search Wikipedia (en):
Jul 30 05:32:00 <Jucato_> slonopotamus: thanks for the pointer last night (a few hours ago?) about the arch problems. seems like there's a bug (or some issue) with libqt4-gui,-webkit, and -xmlpatterns
Jul 30 05:32:04 <Macer> and you type the thing in that you are looking for
Jul 30 05:32:07 <Macer> and it goes to the article :)
Jul 30 05:32:35 <Macer> MiXu-: try http://www.wikipedi(tab)
Jul 30 05:32:37 <Macer> heh
Jul 30 05:32:38 <slonopotamus> Jucato_: for me, it was yesterday, yep :) np
Jul 30 05:32:49 <Macer> i dunno. mine does it when i just type wikipe(tab)
Jul 30 05:33:40 <Jucato_> slonopotamus: what is this autobuilder you spoke of? I couldn't find a direct reference in the wiki. anything that saves me from a lot of .deb packaging work is very much welcome :)
Jul 30 05:33:40 <MiXu-> Macer: That doesn't autocomplete at all since I haven't visited that particular url
Jul 30 05:34:10 <Macer> oh well.. idk ;) works for me... thought it was cool
Jul 30 05:35:26 <slonopotamus> Jucato_: autobuilder is just a thingie that you upload your package to and it then builds it and (if successful) puts in extras-devel repo
Jul 30 05:36:02 <Jucato_> ah
Jul 30 05:36:34 <Jucato_> I'm not at that level of skill to confidently get my app immediately to extras-devel :)
Jul 30 05:41:21 <slonopotamus> Jucato_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete (some stuff may not be applicable to maemo, but in general it should give right hints).
Jul 30 05:42:29 * Jucato_ wonders how much their doc has changed since he tried packaging when he was still with Kubuntu 3 years ago :)
Jul 30 05:45:19 <slonopotamus> Jucato_: well, if you are a masochist, you can read debian policy manual.
Jul 30 05:45:47 <timeless_mbp> anyone here have lsof 4.84?
Jul 30 05:46:14 * timeless_mbp wants to know if there's any hint of a fix for rsync "can't identify protocol" in lsof between 4.74 and 4.84
Jul 30 05:47:15 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: 4.82 here
Jul 30 05:47:37 <timeless_mbp> can you try using rsync and seeing if lsof gives you can't identify protocol?
Jul 30 05:47:44 <timeless_mbp> i'm doing it from one computer to another
Jul 30 05:48:28 <timeless_mbp> 4.84 is a couple of days old :)
Jul 30 05:48:39 <slonopotamus> err... rsync and run lsof on it while rsync is running?
Jul 30 05:48:47 <timeless_mbp> yep
Jul 30 05:48:56 <timeless_mbp> if necessary, suspend rsync ;-)
Jul 30 05:49:09 <timeless_mbp> i'm sending a couple of gb from ec2 to dh
Jul 30 05:49:19 <timeless_mbp> so i don't have to worry about the command going away anytime soon :)
Jul 30 05:51:11 <timeless_mbp> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/757228 <- see the last line
Jul 30 05:54:53 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: works ok here
Jul 30 05:55:00 <timeless_mbp> hrm
Jul 30 05:55:15 <timeless_mbp> is that over an ip (ssh) link?
Jul 30 05:55:27 <slonopotamus> over rsync :)
Jul 30 05:55:44 <timeless_mbp> but is it doing rsync locally?
Jul 30 05:55:55 <slonopotamus> no, remote rsync
Jul 30 05:55:58 <timeless_mbp> ok
Jul 30 05:56:06 <timeless_mbp> what does it list?
Jul 30 05:57:21 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: http://dpaste.org/hxP6/
Jul 30 05:58:50 <timeless_mbp> hrm
Jul 30 05:58:57 <timeless_mbp> you don't have any sock's
Jul 30 05:59:05 <timeless_mbp> but you have an unix
Jul 30 05:59:23 <slonopotamus> uh? TCP, one before last
Jul 30 05:59:40 <timeless_mbp> yeah, but compare mine
Jul 30 05:59:52 <timeless_mbp> for me, i'm labeled sock instead of ipv4
Jul 30 05:59:52 <slonopotamus> well, two before last
Jul 30 06:00:34 <timeless_mbp> is this doing rsync direct to an rsync?
Jul 30 06:00:38 <timeless_mbp> i'm using rsync over ssh
Jul 30 06:00:58 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: that was plain rsync, yep
Jul 30 06:01:57 <timeless_mbp> can you try over ssh?
Jul 30 06:03:44 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: gimme yor ssh public key
Jul 30 06:03:53 <timeless_mbp> heh, sorry
Jul 30 06:04:10 <slonopotamus> ?
Jul 30 06:04:11 <timeless_mbp> you should be able to use rsync ssh to yourself
Jul 30 06:04:17 <timeless_mbp> oh!
Jul 30 06:04:19 * timeless_mbp = stupid
Jul 30 06:04:50 <timeless_mbp> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/757234
Jul 30 06:11:16 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: ssh timeless@slonopotamus.org (i don't have second box with ssh reachable currently) in order not to pollute hd, you can start rsyncing and ctrl+z it.
Jul 30 06:13:00 <timeless_mbp> ok, i think i did that?
Jul 30 06:13:16 <timeless_mbp> nope
Jul 30 06:13:18 * timeless_mbp = stupid
Jul 30 06:13:57 <slonopotamus> Jul 30 10:13:32 seldon sshd[14201]: Accepted publickey for timeless from 184.73.240.82 port 56496 ssh2
Jul 30 06:14:01 <timeless_mbp> ok, i think i did that
Jul 30 06:14:13 <timeless_mbp> is it running enough to have stuff?
Jul 30 06:15:31 <slonopotamus> Hul 30 10:13:32 seldon sshd[14201]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user timeless by (uid=0)
Jul 30 06:15:33 <slonopotamus> oh noes, now i know your ip :)
Jul 30 06:15:47 <timeless_mbp> for a public computer?
Jul 30 06:15:50 <timeless_mbp> that's mxr.moego.org
Jul 30 06:16:08 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: 1.6GB free there.
Jul 30 06:16:23 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: not sure i understand you
Jul 30 06:16:41 <timeless_mbp> the ip origin for this session isn't where timeless_mbp is
Jul 30 06:16:55 <timeless_mbp> it's a cloud box which is publicly reachable as mxr.moego.org :)
Jul 30 06:16:57 * slonopotamus is in a crappy subway, bad coverage
Jul 30 06:17:00 <timeless_mbp> so the ip isn't a secret :)
Jul 30 06:17:07 <slonopotamus> oh :)
Jul 30 06:17:25 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: so ssh and make your experiments with lsof
Jul 30 06:17:31 <timeless_mbp> oh!
Jul 30 06:17:35 <timeless_mbp> duh!
Jul 30 06:17:49 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: gcc and stuff is there too, so you can compile other than 4.82 versions
Jul 30 06:18:19 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: for ex, run rsync-over-ssh from there to your box
Jul 30 06:18:35 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: and check what lsof says on both sides
Jul 30 06:18:43 <timeless_mbp> hrm
Jul 30 06:18:47 <timeless_mbp> good point
Jul 30 06:18:59 * timeless_mbp is getting slow
Jul 30 06:19:46 <slonopotamus> okay, you were assigned pts/2. use it with care.
Jul 30 06:20:09 <slonopotamus> :P
Jul 30 06:20:11 <timeless_mbp> heh
Jul 30 06:20:23 <timeless_mbp> sorry, slightly distracted
Jul 30 06:20:30 * timeless_mbp is trying to update sources somewhere
Jul 30 06:20:48 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: why you need lsof anyway? :)
Jul 30 06:21:03 <timeless_mbp> i just use it to see what's going on
Jul 30 06:21:18 <timeless_mbp> it takes less effort than ps + ls /proc/.../fd (oops missing -l, ...)
Jul 30 06:21:19 <slonopotamus> timeless_mbp: and something's wrong with rsync?
Jul 30 06:21:35 <timeless_mbp> well, i never remember to give arguments -v to rsync
Jul 30 06:21:55 <timeless_mbp> so i don't know what it's doing on the remote side and want to know if it's doing something useful or stupid
Jul 30 06:22:02 <timeless_mbp> yes, i could use dry-run
Jul 30 06:22:05 <timeless_mbp> but i don't
Jul 30 06:23:06 <slonopotamus> well, rsync (when given wrong arguments) tends to destroy stuff on target side :)
Jul 30 06:23:14 <timeless_mbp> yeah...
Jul 30 06:23:38 <timeless_mbp> in this case i used rsync -a directory-without-slash host:path/to/parent-of-where-i-wanted-it
Jul 30 06:24:04 <timeless_mbp> scanning [                                                                                                         <=>          ] 3470 THIS REPOSITORY IS NO LONGER IN USE, PLEASE USE
Jul 30 06:24:08 <timeless_mbp> oh, that's great
Jul 30 06:24:34 <timeless_mbp> someone doesn't understand how DVCS works
Jul 30 06:25:03 <slonopotamus> what's that? :)
Jul 30 06:25:15 <timeless_mbp> probably a  maemo6 repo
Jul 30 06:25:26 <timeless_mbp> i have a git clone followed by hg convert
Jul 30 06:25:38 <timeless_mbp> the 3470 indicates how many changesets from where it is to tip of the repo
Jul 30 06:25:52 <timeless_mbp> and the text is the first line of the commit message for that changeset
Jul 30 06:26:21 <timeless_mbp> i.e. after someone committed that, they made 3470 commits *somewhere* to a repo which included that commit
Jul 30 06:28:12 <slonopotamus_> timeless_mbp: so your goal is to rsync smth or find out when/how lsof broke?
Jul 30 06:28:27 <slonopotamus_> (still in subway, meh)
Jul 30 06:28:33 <timeless_mbp> more or less, i think
Jul 30 06:28:37 * timeless_mbp is still at home
Jul 30 06:28:49 <timeless_mbp> actually, i think it's to figure out if it's "fixed"
Jul 30 06:28:52 <timeless_mbp> or a feature of dh
Jul 30 06:29:40 <slonopotamus_> timeless_mbp: you can't answer that way
Jul 30 06:29:40 <slonopotamus_> timeless_mbp: drink some coffee :P
Jul 30 06:29:57 <timeless_mbp> ok, the rsync from your computer to dh gives the same message
Jul 30 06:30:04 <timeless_mbp> as rsync from mxr to dh
Jul 30 06:30:32 <timeless_mbp> i guess i need to build lsof on dh and figure out if it's broken
Jul 30 06:30:41 <slonopotamus_> okay
Jul 30 06:30:53 <timeless_mbp> ls: reading directory /proc/net/: Invalid argument
Jul 30 06:31:03 <timeless_mbp> i think dh is "special", as it gives ^^
Jul 30 06:31:11 <slonopotamus_> err
Jul 30 06:31:26 <slonopotamus_>  /proc mounted at all?
Jul 30 06:31:38 <timeless_mbp> [sanjay]$ mount|grep proc
Jul 30 06:31:39 <timeless_mbp> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
Jul 30 06:31:39 <timeless_mbp> none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw)
Jul 30 06:31:44 <slonopotamus_> some weird kind of vm?
Jul 30 06:32:05 <timeless_mbp> i think the design is to prevent one user from snooping on another and stuff
Jul 30 06:32:11 <timeless_mbp> not sure if it's based on selinux or what
Jul 30 06:32:56 <timeless_mbp> [sanjay]$ mount|grep nfs|wc -l
Jul 30 06:32:56 <timeless_mbp> 112
Jul 30 06:33:05 <timeless_mbp> those are basically users
Jul 30 06:34:11 <slonopotamus_> oh my.
Jul 30 06:35:17 <slonopotamus_> timeless_mbp: as for -v, create shell alias rsync -> rsync -v/-p?
Jul 30 06:35:30 <slonopotamus_> or what option it had for progressbar...
Jul 30 06:35:39 * RST38h yawns
Jul 30 06:35:48 <RST38h> EHLO slonopotamus_
Jul 30 06:36:32 <slonopotamus_> RST38h: ohai
Jul 30 06:36:44 <timeless_mbp> http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Charlie_Root
Jul 30 06:38:57 <Stskeeps> hm, anyone good with linux run-time linker behaviour?
Jul 30 06:39:10 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps: what about it?
Jul 30 06:39:17 * timeless_mbp is always good for quirks
Jul 30 06:39:55 <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: i have a package providing /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so.2 and my binary is linked towards /usr/lib/libGLESv2.so
Jul 30 06:40:01 <Stskeeps> will it find the so.2?
Jul 30 06:40:21 <timeless_mbp> you'll probably be unhappy
Jul 30 06:40:35 <timeless_mbp> generally .so<unversioned> is provided by a -dev package
Jul 30 06:40:50 <timeless_mbp> so if you install the -dev package, you'll probably be able to use your binary
Jul 30 06:41:26 <timeless_mbp> (obviously locally "fixable" by a symlink)
Jul 30 06:41:28 <Stskeeps> the funny part is that .so (unversioned) is mandated by a specification
Jul 30 06:42:44 <timeless_mbp> if it's mandated and not provided, then surely some package or distro is buggy?
Jul 30 06:43:03 <Stskeeps> mm
Jul 30 06:43:15 <Stskeeps> that's what i'm going with atm
Jul 30 06:43:21 <timeless_mbp> wfm
Jul 30 06:49:05 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Usually you need a symbolic link for that
Jul 30 07:46:24 <defragger> is it possible to use | in xterm on maemo?
Jul 30 07:46:43 <defragger> weird trick, linux phone without |
Jul 30 07:47:18 <sulliwan> Sym button
Jul 30 07:47:30 <Duckboot> ^ what he said
Jul 30 07:47:42 <defragger> Sym what?
Jul 30 07:47:58 <sulliwan> top left corner of the keyboard :P
Jul 30 07:48:12 <defragger> yeah i know where it is located
Jul 30 07:48:20 <sulliwan> blue arrow -> sym
Jul 30 07:48:20 <defragger> but that wont print pipe
Jul 30 07:48:25 <frals> fn ctrl to get the popup
Jul 30 07:48:26 <sulliwan> you get an onscreen keyboard with symbols
Jul 30 07:48:50 <defragger> ahh i see
Jul 30 07:50:04 <defragger> hmm doesnt do anything
Jul 30 07:50:24 <MohammadAG51> click it twice
Jul 30 07:50:44 <MohammadAG51> |
Jul 30 07:51:10 <timeless_mbp> defragger:  if you install the right keymap you can use blue-EUR to get PIPE
Jul 30 07:51:33 <timeless_mbp> for me the hebrew keylayout breaks the hkb like that, very handy :)
Jul 30 07:51:41 <defragger> hehe
Jul 30 07:52:09 <defragger> sym does nothing for me, do i have to enable something before i can use Sym?
Jul 30 07:52:20 <stonda> press the blue arrow
Jul 30 07:52:33 <timeless_mbp> sym isn't a button on its own
Jul 30 07:52:33 <stonda> then try pressing the sym button
Jul 30 07:52:43 <timeless_mbp> you need to trigger blue first
Jul 30 07:52:47 <defragger> yeah, i know how to reach the blue items on keyboard
Jul 30 07:52:56 <timeless_mbp> try blue-EUR
Jul 30 07:53:07 <timeless_mbp> it's possible your keyboard is broken as mine is :)
Jul 30 07:53:28 <defragger> hehe nope it prints the euro symbol
Jul 30 07:54:21 <harnir> is there a way to set snooze time for less than 5 minutes?
Jul 30 07:55:07 <timeless_mbp> set a new alarm?
Jul 30 08:19:29 <defragger> is there any additional application needet for that Sym key?
Jul 30 08:30:12 <Duckboot> Mmmmm - the joy of a QA-check-friday - On SysAdmin-day...
Jul 30 08:50:09 <defragger> which application is needet for the virtual keyboard?
Jul 30 08:51:13 <jacekowski> none
Jul 30 08:51:17 <jacekowski> it's in settings
Jul 30 08:51:48 <defragger> and it should be shown when i press sym in xterm right?
Jul 30 08:52:00 <Duckboot> defragger: Yep
Jul 30 08:52:34 <Duckboot> defragger: But remember - Sym ain't a 1 button press
Jul 30 08:52:48 <defragger> yeah blue arrow and sym key
Jul 30 09:05:54 <D-Iivil_Work> _o/
Jul 30 09:11:43 <D-Iivil_Work> Does someone know how changing backgrounds is handled in fremantle?
Jul 30 09:12:11 <D-Iivil_Work> I mean what is the application that does the changing and can it be launched from terminal?
Jul 30 09:12:43 <D-Iivil_Work> Just wondering since changing active theme is done by giving commands to /usr/bin/personalisation
Jul 30 09:14:32 <chem|st> nothing in the wiki?
Jul 30 09:15:23 <chem|st> something has to trigger a reload so I guess its another /usr/bin/personalisation command (but only guessing)
Jul 30 09:15:41 <D-Iivil_Work> chem|st, couldn't find anything. Maybe I don't know the right keywords to search for.
Jul 30 09:15:49 <psycho_oreos> gconftool I believe
Jul 30 09:16:00 <D-Iivil_Work> chem|st, and personalisation seems only to affect on theme, not backgrounds.
Jul 30 09:16:38 <psycho_oreos> there was a hack to allow up to 9 homescreens on n900 and the author who made the hack had a detailed description of various things including the changing of the background
Jul 30 09:16:51 <chem|st> psycho_oreos: gconf is a config storage system nothing triggering
Jul 30 09:17:25 <chem|st> setting up the right folders and files in gconf is no magic
Jul 30 09:17:51 <chem|st> the path to the 4 bg are stored where?
Jul 30 09:17:59 <chem|st> to lazy atm
Jul 30 09:18:00 <D-Iivil_Work> Right now I'm doing the background changing by overwriting images under ~/.backgrounds -folder, but that's not the right way to do it.
Jul 30 09:18:26 <jacekowski> as far as i remember
Jul 30 09:18:33 <jacekowski> you can watch for gconf changes
Jul 30 09:18:35 <psycho_oreos> /home/user/.backgrounds
Jul 30 09:18:41 <D-Iivil_Work> The in-built background changer does something else than just copies images to that folder.
Jul 30 09:18:50 <jacekowski> D-Iivil_Work: built-in
Jul 30 09:19:08 <jacekowski> read the source code
Jul 30 09:19:11 <jacekowski> it's all there
Jul 30 09:19:20 <D-Iivil_Work> jacekowski, source code of what?
Jul 30 09:21:12 <psycho_oreos> gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/5/bg-image -t string /home/user/MyDocs/.images/image.jpg
Jul 30 09:21:16 <jacekowski> hildon-desktop
Jul 30 09:22:44 <D-Iivil_Work> psycho_oreos, thanks. Where did you took that?
Jul 30 09:22:55 <D-Iivil_Work> jacekowski, didn't know hildon-desktop is open source
Jul 30 09:23:36 <psycho_oreos> D-Iivil_Work, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=724809&postcount=183 <--- same info off the guy who hacked up for 9 homescreens on n900, dunno if that will work on normal n900 :)
Jul 30 09:24:28 * crashanddie salutes the crowd
Jul 30 09:24:37 <crashanddie> Howzit going, furballs?
Jul 30 09:31:58 <chem|st> crashanddie: how do you know that name!?!?!??%$§"!
Jul 30 09:32:10 <chem|st> ;)
Jul 30 09:32:16 <chem|st> gut und dir?
Jul 30 09:34:22 <crashanddie> sehr gut, danke
Jul 30 09:34:51 <defragger> when you install scim you will break your virtual keyboard :D
Jul 30 09:40:20 <crashanddie> chem|st: wo wohnst du?
Jul 30 09:40:42 <chem|st> kaiserslautern
Jul 30 09:43:25 <crashanddie> chem|st: wo ist das?
Jul 30 09:43:57 <chem|st> mannheim links
Jul 30 09:44:00 <crashanddie> in Deutschland erwarte ich.
Jul 30 09:44:08 <chem|st> ja
Jul 30 09:44:30 <chem|st> ganz im westen kurz vor saarland
Jul 30 09:45:06 <crashanddie> ok
Jul 30 09:46:07 <crashanddie> Entschuldigung fur mein schlechtes Deutsch... Ich habe kein Deutsch gesprochen in eine sehr lange Zeit.
Jul 30 09:46:32 <chem|st> kein thema
Jul 30 09:46:51 <chem|st> und der hannesw kommt aus tirol
Jul 30 09:47:29 <hannesw> chem|st kennen wir uns?
Jul 30 09:47:33 <chem|st> where are you from crashanddie
Jul 30 09:47:36 <chem|st> hannesw: nope
Jul 30 09:47:44 <crashanddie> Aber lardman hat ein sehr gutes Niveau! Haben sie jemals mit ihm gesprochen?
Jul 30 09:47:55 <chem|st> aber nen landsmann riech ich auf 1000km gegen den wind...
Jul 30 09:48:01 <hannesw> komme genauer gesagt aus südtirol
Jul 30 09:48:07 <crashanddie> chem|st: you bastard!
Jul 30 09:48:16 <crashanddie> Don't say that about lardy :P
Jul 30 09:48:35 <chem|st> crashanddie: landsmann means citizen
Jul 30 09:48:51 <crashanddie> oh, crap. I misread that for lardman :P
Jul 30 09:48:58 <chem|st> no it doesnt but thats the word that came to my mind wierd
Jul 30 09:48:58 <MohammadAG51> LOL
Jul 30 09:49:23 <crashanddie> I live in France at the moment... Spent some time in London and Australia, chem|st
Jul 30 09:49:31 <chem|st> fellow countryman
Jul 30 09:49:45 <chem|st> where in france?
Jul 30 09:49:57 <crashanddie> I read that as "I can smell lardman from a thousand miles, even if the wind blows in the other direction"
Jul 30 09:50:07 <crashanddie> Which was mildly insulting.
Jul 30 09:50:16 <chem|st> hehe
Jul 30 09:50:35 <crashanddie> south of France
Jul 30 09:51:57 <chem|st> provence or the other side?
Jul 30 09:53:27 <crashanddie> more south than the provence
Jul 30 09:53:40 <crashanddie> about 50km from Spain, 15km from the mediteranean
Jul 30 09:54:52 <crashanddie> Jo no soc catala, pero Quim Gil es sens dubte!
Jul 30 09:55:46 <crashanddie> Pero ell ve des de l'altre costat de la frontera.
Jul 30 09:56:36 <MohammadAG51> This is an english only channel, english or i'll rape your ass
Jul 30 09:58:03 <crashanddie> Go ahead :)
Jul 30 09:58:22 <crashanddie> PM in 3... 2... 1...
Jul 30 09:59:15 <sig^> >_>
Jul 30 09:59:38 <Duckboot> o.O
Jul 30 10:01:20 <timeless_mbp> crashanddie:  hey, looks like i get to officially work on smart cards next week
Jul 30 10:01:21 <timeless_mbp> :)
Jul 30 10:03:42 <crashanddie> timeless_mbp: sweet :)
Jul 30 10:04:10 <timeless_mbp> i could start today, but i think i need to spend the day getting everything set up
Jul 30 10:04:42 * timeless_mbp pokes qt
Jul 30 10:12:51 <MohammadAG51> <crashanddie> PM in 3... 2... 1...
Jul 30 10:12:57 <MohammadAG51> you didn't get one, haha :P
Jul 30 10:15:54 <crashanddie> Did too
Jul 30 10:16:05 <crashanddie> <MohammadAG51> you bastard!
Jul 30 10:17:34 <Duckboot> crashanddie: Screenshot or it didn't happen ;-P
Jul 30 10:18:02 <crashanddie> I'm using screen, no screenshot available
Jul 30 10:20:44 <crashanddie> but no, indeed, I didn't get a PM
Jul 30 10:21:01 <crashanddie> probably because MohammadAG51 was jerking off as he was the center of attention again :P
Jul 30 10:21:54 <Duckboot> Hehe
Jul 30 10:24:01 <crashanddie> damn, rendering a 100mpix image wasn't such a good idea, after all
Jul 30 10:24:45 <MohammadAG51> 100mpix porn?
Jul 30 10:25:50 <crashanddie> if you're into castles, it can be porn
Jul 30 10:26:10 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, you're gonna print out a 1:1 sized image of castle?
Jul 30 10:26:21 <D-Iivil_Work> with 180dpi resolution? :D
Jul 30 10:26:28 <rmrfchik> zoomed one
Jul 30 10:26:33 <crashanddie> I said rendering, not printing.
Jul 30 10:26:55 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, first you render the image, then send it out for printing.
Jul 30 10:27:05 <crashanddie> Nha
Jul 30 10:27:09 <rmrfchik> then burned
Jul 30 10:27:22 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, that's the only situation where I think you would need a 100mpix bitmap image :P
Jul 30 10:27:45 <crashanddie> well, yesterday I took over a 100 pics of a castle
Jul 30 10:27:49 <crashanddie> I'm now building a composite
Jul 30 10:27:59 <crashanddie> Just want to get a nice level of detail
Jul 30 10:28:29 <crashanddie> though the barrel distortion is quite bad
Jul 30 10:28:43 <nomis> crashanddie: hugin to the rescue!
Jul 30 10:28:54 <crashanddie> nha, autostitch ftw
Jul 30 10:29:26 <crashanddie> (that being said, I'm not actually rendering it on the N900 :P thank god)
Jul 30 10:32:55 * crashanddie sings a song to his mbp "Swap baby swap, you know you liiiike it... Swap it baby swap!"
Jul 30 10:33:44 <timeless_mbp> heh
Jul 30 10:33:51 <timeless_mbp> my mac is trying to tell me to get more ram
Jul 30 10:34:10 <timeless_mbp> and to get the guys who "fixed" the display to fix the connection to the display :(
Jul 30 10:34:10 <crashanddie> if only safari could use less than 700MB of ram
Jul 30 10:34:24 <timeless_mbp> adium is using 600mb here
Jul 30 10:34:43 <timeless_mbp> safari with all of 2 windows (no extra tabs) is using 250mb
Jul 30 10:34:55 <timeless_mbp> quicksilver is using 165mb
Jul 30 10:35:15 * rmrfchik is looking for good email reader for maemo.
Jul 30 10:35:16 <timeless_mbp> note that i normally try to avoid safari, it's slow, painful, and does a good job of not doing what i want ™
Jul 30 10:35:25 <timeless_mbp> rmrfchik: gmail in the browser
Jul 30 10:35:36 <crashanddie> gmail in opera
Jul 30 10:35:40 <timeless_mbp> crashanddie:  did you install the latest os update?
Jul 30 10:35:47 <crashanddie> timeless_mbp: nope
Jul 30 10:35:48 <timeless_mbp> ok, "gmail in any browser"
Jul 30 10:35:55 <rmrfchik> timeless_mbp: I have accounts not in google
Jul 30 10:36:05 <rmrfchik> timeless_mbp: work account is one of them
Jul 30 10:36:06 <timeless_mbp> rmrfchik: google can fix that :)
Jul 30 10:36:14 <timeless_mbp> for work, MfE is pretty good
Jul 30 10:36:19 <timeless_mbp> in 1.2 it includes calendaring
Jul 30 10:36:26 <timeless_mbp> not perfect, but not bad for a simple mail client
Jul 30 10:36:27 <rmrfchik> no expose work mail to internetz
Jul 30 10:36:38 <timeless_mbp> yeah yeah
Jul 30 10:36:44 <timeless_mbp> stupid corporate policies, we all die by them
Jul 30 10:36:47 * rmrfchik want to save email text or select it somehow
Jul 30 10:37:00 <timeless_mbp> hold shift?
Jul 30 10:37:27 <timeless_mbp> yep, just hold shift and start dragging
Jul 30 10:37:32 <timeless_mbp> that'll let you select text
Jul 30 10:37:34 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer51: what'd'you do to infobot again?
Jul 30 10:38:00 <timeless_mbp> heh, you can't safe email messages
Jul 30 10:38:03 <rmrfchik> timeless_mbp: thanks. good tip
Jul 30 10:38:08 <timeless_mbp> rmrfchik: please file a bug in bugs.maemo.org about that
Jul 30 10:38:16 <timeless_mbp> it's obviously not something people thought about
Jul 30 10:38:19 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51 & DocScrutinizer51: are your nicknames so because you both come from the same area?
Jul 30 10:38:25 <rmrfchik> at least I can ctr-c that
Jul 30 10:38:26 <timeless_mbp> but if you put it on their radar as a customer, they might think abotu it
Jul 30 10:38:39 <timeless_mbp> s/tu/ut/
Jul 30 10:38:50 <rmrfchik> timeless_mbp: well. I'm too sceptic about fixing bugs in maemo :(
Jul 30 10:39:00 <timeless_mbp> err
Jul 30 10:39:02 <rmrfchik> but sure I will fire
Jul 30 10:39:04 <rmrfchik> but sure I will file
Jul 30 10:39:08 <timeless_mbp> please understand. filing bugs is for the future
Jul 30 10:39:14 <crashanddie> "fire at will on bugs"
Jul 30 10:39:15 <rmrfchik> MeeGo?
Jul 30 10:39:19 <timeless_mbp> the odds of something being fixed for maemo5 are of course terrible
Jul 30 10:39:21 <rmrfchik> crashanddie: ;)
Jul 30 10:39:24 <timeless_mbp> but they could be fixed in .next
Jul 30 10:39:36 <timeless_mbp> Modest is open source though
Jul 30 10:39:43 <jacekowski> oh, really?
Jul 30 10:39:44 <rmrfchik> Ahh.. no, I don't care in Nokia products anymore. N900 is last
Jul 30 10:39:50 <timeless_mbp> so if you want it in Maemo, you can just check out the source, write the code, submit the patch
Jul 30 10:39:53 <timeless_mbp> jacekowski:  really
Jul 30 10:39:56 <jacekowski> i was thinking that modest was closed
Jul 30 10:40:01 <crashanddie> of course not
Jul 30 10:40:08 <jacekowski> that's nice
Jul 30 10:40:31 <timeless_mbp> http://mxr.moego.org/fremantle12/source/modest/
Jul 30 10:40:33 <rmrfchik> http://modest.garage.maemo.org/
Jul 30 10:40:34 <rmrfchik> heh
Jul 30 10:40:51 <timeless_mbp> that is in the middle of moving to mxr.maemo.org, but rsync isn't fast for gb's of data :)
Jul 30 10:41:42 <timeless_mbp> kinda sucks that i can't just snap my fingers and move 10gb of data in 1s :(
Jul 30 10:46:22 <lcuk> timeless, usb key can fit between finger and thumb and can potentially fly quite far
Jul 30 10:47:30 <kerio> the question is: move *where*?
Jul 30 10:47:42 <Duckboot> Don't ever underestimate the bandwidth of a Taxi loaded with USB-sticks.
Jul 30 10:47:51 <kerio> because throwing a 1tb hd is not that hard, but it won't fly a long distance
Jul 30 10:48:04 <Duckboot> kerio: Plate by plate then?
Jul 30 10:48:15 <kerio> heh
Jul 30 10:48:33 <Duckboot> Spin'em up - Send'em off
Jul 30 10:50:09 <kerio> you spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round round round
Jul 30 10:51:55 <Duckboot> Now - off to a weekend filled with Lego Universe. Got my Beta Key the other day.
Jul 30 10:52:27 <korhojoa> :D
Jul 30 10:52:31 <korhojoa> awesome
Jul 30 10:52:32 <crashanddie> timeless: the day you'll be able to do that, you'll be saying "kinda sucks that I can't just snap my fingers and move 10tb of data in 1s :("
Jul 30 10:54:11 <Duckboot> korhojoa: I'm really looking forward to it - Lego MMO should be pretty awesome.
Jul 30 10:54:29 <korhojoa> i mean, who doesn't think that
Jul 30 10:54:59 <korhojoa> "damn, i'm all out of yellow 4x1... /msg #trade WTB Y4X1!
Jul 30 10:55:29 <Duckboot> Hehe
Jul 30 11:04:41 <toggles_w> @s
Jul 30 11:07:01 <markinfo> is it possible to show hidden files in filemanager?
Jul 30 11:45:42 <SpeedEvil> markinfo: don't think so. Look at 'cuteexplorer' from extras
Jul 30 12:01:33 <BCMM> can one install fcam and wirelesshotspot on the same n900?
Jul 30 12:02:15 <kerio> probably
Jul 30 12:02:23 <kerio> recompile the libraries for the kernel-power
Jul 30 12:03:15 <crashanddie> GAN900: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4842918435/
Jul 30 12:06:28 <BCMM> mobilehotspot, rather
Jul 30 12:15:11 <daerni> hello.  i run mobile hotspot wothout encrypt on n900 but the linux laptop gets no dhcp
Jul 30 12:15:59 <daerni> i installed the suggested mobilehotspot kernel also.  does anyone here have a suggestion
Jul 30 12:17:34 <BCMM> i am having difficulting installing kernel-power
Jul 30 12:18:01 <BCMM> i;m running the uninstall app that comes with it, but it says "Rrror during deinstallation: Could not install Nokia kernel.
Jul 30 12:18:06 <BCMM> ^Error, rather
Jul 30 12:22:38 <crashanddie> daerni: DHCP is a bonus, you should get it work by correctly configuring the laptop
Jul 30 12:23:06 <crashanddie> daerni: if you don't (even when configuring the network correctly, there is no connection), then there is a forwarding issue
Jul 30 12:27:27 <daerni> thank you.  should i be aple to ping n900 wlan0 10.49.76.1 from a client?
Jul 30 12:28:06 <BCMM> http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Deinstallation doesn't seem to be workign right either
Jul 30 12:28:20 <daerni> oops
Jul 30 12:30:11 <daerni> ok it works from cellphone
Jul 30 12:34:01 <daerni> now why is standard linux unable to find hotspot.. probably problem with adhoc mode
Jul 30 12:49:05 <daerni> is this channel really this quiet?
Jul 30 12:49:20 <MohammadAG51> recently yes
Jul 30 12:49:33 * MohammadAG51 starts a discussion
Jul 30 12:49:35 <E0x> no more pr1.2 ask
Jul 30 12:49:42 <E0x> that is why
Jul 30 12:49:45 <MohammadAG51> can i install windows 8 on my N900?
Jul 30 12:49:49 <timeless> it gets louder when some of us are around
Jul 30 12:49:56 <E0x> MohammadAG51: only bill gate can
Jul 30 12:50:07 <timeless> we don't read tea leaves, stop asking!
Jul 30 12:50:08 <MohammadAG51> E0x, so bill gates is chuck norris?
Jul 30 12:50:18 <timeless> no, but he can buy him :)
Jul 30 12:50:24 <daerni> the amount of apps now is impressive
Jul 30 12:50:28 <SwedeMike> do we know if they're going to be any major update after 1.2 +
Jul 30 12:50:46 <timeless> swedemike: define major
Jul 30 12:50:49 <E0x> MohammadAG51: maybe , or a ninja
Jul 30 12:51:04 <timeless> there's an update which people in this channel have been working on
Jul 30 12:51:12 <daerni> do any of you have a script to connect to mobile hotspot?
Jul 30 12:51:15 <timeless> i have no idea what the schedule is, but it should include a newer ver of Qt
Jul 30 12:51:26 <SwedeMike> timeless: well, with new features like integrated msn (like skype is), 1.1 -> 1.2 had quite a lot of new features, I consider that "major"
Jul 30 12:51:48 <timeless> 1.2 included a new ver of Qt
Jul 30 12:52:03 <timeless> if you think of that as sufficient requirements, then the next update will probably also be major
Jul 30 12:52:10 <E0x> talking about bug , what do you guys think about this: the 2 button in the phone app ( select contact and Dialling pad ) will not better if they stay fixed when you scroll down the call history ?
Jul 30 12:52:13 <timeless> if you don't think that's sufficient, i suspect you'll be disappointed
Jul 30 12:52:17 <kerio> integrated msn?
Jul 30 12:52:22 <drizztbsd> why nokia does not allow to install an ovi app with apt-get?
Jul 30 12:52:48 <timeless> drizztbsd: to prevent people from giving away the repository?
Jul 30 12:53:09 <timeless> in debian, there's nothing wrong w/ mirroring a repository
Jul 30 12:53:14 <timeless> in a store, that's bad for business
Jul 30 12:53:31 <drizztbsd> btw I had to install aptitude to do it :)
Jul 30 12:53:41 <kerio> and that's why ovi fails
Jul 30 12:53:43 <jacekowski> MohammadAG51: you can with qemu
Jul 30 12:53:44 <timeless> thief?
Jul 30 12:53:48 <drizztbsd> since the .install files does not want to work
Jul 30 12:53:51 <jacekowski> MohammadAG51: but it will be slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
Jul 30 12:54:43 <SwedeMike> hm, the pecan-plugin seems to integrate things nicely though, showed up a lot of "no name" people in my contact list though :P
Jul 30 12:55:25 <kerio> qemu rulz
Jul 30 12:56:49 <markinfo> is there some CPU usage graph app? (for diablo)
Jul 30 12:59:31 <mobile_telephone> can maps find everything that google maps can?
Jul 30 13:00:18 <mobile_telephone> or does the maemo program get addresses etc from another source?
Jul 30 13:00:34 <MohammadAG51> another source
Jul 30 13:01:05 <mirf> google maps is better
Jul 30 13:01:13 <SpeedEvil> google is not most accurate in all areas.
Jul 30 13:01:24 <mirf> no but it has more information
Jul 30 13:01:43 <mirf> rather depends what you need it for
Jul 30 13:02:00 <mirf> general navigating nokia maps is better
Jul 30 13:02:07 <timeless> always drive carefully and pay attention to the local signage
Jul 30 13:02:13 <mirf> but for finding out what is around you , can't beat google
Jul 30 13:02:27 <mirf> google even has bus stops on it :)
Jul 30 13:02:32 <timeless> don't assume that just because the computer tells you there's a bridge , that there's a bridge you're allowed to taked
Jul 30 13:02:34 <SpeedEvil> timeless: Don't be silly. Get with the new technology.
Jul 30 13:02:40 <timeless> s/d$//
Jul 30 13:02:41 <mobile_telephone> so basically use the browser and go to google maps
Jul 30 13:02:41 * SpeedEvil drives confidently over a cliff.
Jul 30 13:02:59 <timeless> mobile: get Maep
Jul 30 13:03:06 <mobile_telephone> got it
Jul 30 13:03:06 <mirf> there is a plugin calle maemo geo locatino or something
Jul 30 13:03:10 <timeless> or Mappero
Jul 30 13:03:16 <mirf> that will allow google maps to interface with gps
Jul 30 13:03:19 <timeless> mirf: that's integrated in 1.2
Jul 30 13:03:20 <mobile_telephone> i need directiona
Jul 30 13:03:22 <mirf> is it :D
Jul 30 13:03:24 <mirf> nice
Jul 30 13:03:39 <timeless> sadly i liked the extension version better, but oh well
Jul 30 13:03:57 <mobile_telephone> and it seems like google maps is the only one where you could, for example, enter the name of a popular store and it shows you the closest ones
Jul 30 13:04:05 <mirf> yeah
Jul 30 13:04:26 <mobile_telephone> so do you guys just use the browser for that?
Jul 30 13:04:27 <jacekowski> btw. is search in maps working?
Jul 30 13:04:33 <jacekowski> because i never saw it work
Jul 30 13:04:42 <jacekowski> and i'm not sure if it's me or it's just broken
Jul 30 13:04:46 <Toxaris_on_mobil> hello. question, anyone know why I cant open MMS in FMMS? strange
Jul 30 13:04:50 <timeless> mobile: yeah, i use maps.google.com/maps/m/
Jul 30 13:04:50 <daerni> mirf, we should get some google maps client
Jul 30 13:04:52 <mobile_telephone> maps feels so slow,, esp to update location
Jul 30 13:04:55 <mirf> yes!
Jul 30 13:04:55 <jacekowski> i mean, it's not working at all and all i get is message that search is unavaliable
Jul 30 13:04:59 <mirf> I wholly agree
Jul 30 13:05:12 <mirf> or a plugin for maemo maps..
Jul 30 13:05:19 <mirf> but i dunno how viable that is
Jul 30 13:05:22 <E0x> jacekowski: ovi map ?
Jul 30 13:05:24 <jacekowski> yes
Jul 30 13:05:27 <mobile_telephone> check out viking
Jul 30 13:05:30 <daerni> or make ovi maps cheat and use google features
Jul 30 13:05:31 <timeless> jacekowski: what country?
Jul 30 13:05:34 <jacekowski> UK
Jul 30 13:05:41 <mobile_telephone> that is the only OSS app that had it working i think
Jul 30 13:05:42 <E0x> jacekowski: i use mappero only
Jul 30 13:05:49 <mobile_telephone> google told them to stop
Jul 30 13:05:54 <E0x> ovi map don't have my contry data
Jul 30 13:06:20 <E0x> mobile_telephone: to who ?
Jul 30 13:06:23 <E0x> mappero ?
Jul 30 13:07:57 <BCMM> mappero can use google
Jul 30 13:07:58 <mobile_telephone> no viking
Jul 30 13:08:03 <mobile_telephone> read above
Jul 30 13:08:13 <Toxaris_on_mobil> hello. question, anyone know why I cant open MMS in FMMS? strange
Jul 30 13:08:16 <mobile_telephone> mappero can find everything google maps can?
Jul 30 13:08:17 <timeless> so...
Jul 30 13:08:17 <E0x> ah
Jul 30 13:08:30 <timeless> i just zoomed my n900 over london
Jul 30 13:08:41 <timeless> and searched for 'Big Ben"
Jul 30 13:08:48 <timeless> it took me to "Houses Of Parliament"
Jul 30 13:08:51 <timeless> which i'm told is correct
Jul 30 13:08:53 <E0x> i not sure how mappero work ( i was looking the doc but never find it )
Jul 30 13:09:01 <timeless> this is w/ Ovi Maps (the integrated app)
Jul 30 13:09:01 <E0x> but the search only get cordenates
Jul 30 13:09:36 <SpeedEvil> timeless: yes - big ben is the bell, not the cock tower. It's the bell in the clock tower in the houses of parliament.
Jul 30 13:10:13 <timeless> speedevil: i sure hope parliament wouldn't have a Cock tower =b
Jul 30 13:10:32 <timeless> but, my point is that "Search works"
Jul 30 13:10:51 <SpeedEvil> timeless: Ooops. :)
Jul 30 13:13:31 <daerni> mirf, share your music
Jul 30 13:13:55 <mirf> msuic?
Jul 30 13:14:00 <mirf> how you knwo I'm lsitening?
Jul 30 13:14:10 <mirf> *listening
Jul 30 13:15:58 <SpeedEvil> np: Florence And the Machine - My Boy Builds Coffins
Jul 30 13:17:52 <sig^> what's libhildonwidgets? It seems many other people in the nets have problems with it but no one knows where to get it from...
Jul 30 13:18:09 <timeless> try the sdk?
Jul 30 13:18:14 <sig^> I'm trying to get cgoban for N900
Jul 30 13:18:37 <albanc> it would be good to play go on the network
Jul 30 13:18:57 <BCMM> sig^: that would rock
Jul 30 13:19:18 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Jul 30 13:19:46 <SpeedEvil> 'Not enough space in application install memory' - this is /home/opt isn't it?
Jul 30 13:21:41 <timeless> i think libhildonwidgets is maemo3 or older
Jul 30 13:21:57 <SpeedEvil> ah - maybe it's that it'd take it below 95%
Jul 30 13:22:03 <timeless> http://lists.evolvis.org/pipermail/jalimo-commits/2008-January/000257.html
Jul 30 13:22:19 <timeless> make hildon variant compatible with maemo4 ( libhildon instead of libhildonwidgets )
Jul 30 13:23:39 <timeless> /home/opt isn't something that HAM knows about
Jul 30 13:23:47 <timeless> so when it reports errors, it's almost certainly talking about /
Jul 30 13:24:28 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Jul 30 13:40:48 <mirf> daerni: what you on abuot?
Jul 30 13:40:59 <mirf> oops, pm
Jul 30 13:47:44 <SpeedEvil> Odd.
Jul 30 13:47:59 <SpeedEvil> Powertop shows lots of interrupts, CPU at 600MHz 50% of the time, and nothing on top
Jul 30 13:48:08 <lmoura> X-Fade: hi neils, could you promote python-all (-maemo4) to extras?
Jul 30 13:48:14 <lmoura> "python" from the same source package was promoted automatically and broke python-all, as it depends on the exact version of python
Jul 30 13:54:38 <SpeedEvil> IRQ#    | Activity   | Type           | Name
Jul 30 13:54:38 <SpeedEvil> --------+------------+----------------+---------------------------
Jul 30 13:54:38 <SpeedEvil>      37 |        639 |           INTC | gp
Jul 30 13:54:46 <SpeedEvil> anyone any idea wat this IRQ is?
Jul 30 13:55:22 <mortini> lspci -vv
Jul 30 13:55:36 <Stskeeps> SpeedEvil: accelerometer? gpio?
Jul 30 13:56:02 <SpeedEvil> Sigh.
Jul 30 13:56:17 <SpeedEvil> I should complete the hw docs with the interrupts.
Jul 30 13:56:49 * SpeedEvil tries a reboot
Jul 30 13:58:02 <alterego> I'd guess gpio ..
Jul 30 13:59:20 <SpeedEvil> yeah - but why is it interrupting
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Jul 30 14:00:40 <SpeedEvil> Okaaay - it's still doing it after a reboot.
Jul 30 14:00:49 <SpeedEvil> So it must be one of the 800 packages I've installed.
Jul 30 14:01:02 <jacekowski> what's wrong with interrupting interrupts
Jul 30 14:01:09 <jacekowski> interrupts are supposed to interrupt
Jul 30 14:01:12 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Jul 30 14:01:19 <DocScrutinizer> idiot sh-helbo trying to use nick infobot, and locks the nick for 60min, after 30s of failing to register
Jul 30 14:01:35 <SpeedEvil> But not enough to keep the CPU at C0 for 14% of the time
Jul 30 14:01:42 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: you can release lock
Jul 30 14:01:48 <jacekowski>  /msg nickserv release nick password
Jul 30 14:01:50 <DocScrutinizer> I can't
Jul 30 14:02:08 <DocScrutinizer> I don't know the <password> as it's not my account
Jul 30 14:02:17 <jacekowski> ah
Jul 30 14:02:40 <DocScrutinizer> /ns info infobot
Jul 30 14:03:38 <jacekowski> then we're in shit
Jul 30 14:04:33 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Jul 30 14:04:51 <DocScrutinizer> /whowas infobot
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Jul 30 14:06:15 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
Jul 30 14:06:54 <Khertan_> Hi !
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Jul 30 14:07:20 <Khertan_> Can i ask to someone with maemo extra upload to push py2deb to extras ?
Jul 30 14:07:33 <jacekowski> no
Jul 30 14:07:36 <Khertan_> ok
Jul 30 14:07:39 <jacekowski> package has to be promoted there
Jul 30 14:07:49 <Khertan_> yes i mean extras-devel :)
Jul 30 14:07:54 <jacekowski> ahh
Jul 30 14:08:37 <Khertan_> I see some things in maemo wiki that let me think user didn't bother to use my repository
Jul 30 14:08:37 <Khertan_> v
Jul 30 14:08:37 <jacekowski> i could but i don't like python
Jul 30 14:08:38 <Khertan_> 1 march 2010 Py2deb is broken.  It creates an incorrect bug tracker link for your package in extras.   You can solve the bugtracker issue easily by editing /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/py2deb.py line 382 changing it from: bugtrackerstr = "XSBC-Bugtracker: %s" % ( self.xsbc_bugtracker ) into bugtrackerstr = self.xsbc_bugtracker
Jul 30 14:09:15 <Khertan_> it s just false .. it s just that new version isn't in maemo extras-*
Jul 30 14:09:25 <chem|st> Khertan_: that is fine so no python-blurb gets promoted to extras
Jul 30 14:09:35 <Khertan_> chem|st: haha
Jul 30 14:09:52 <Khertan_> chem|st: haha
Jul 30 14:10:03 <Khertan_> chem|st: remove python and you can remove all extras repository too
Jul 30 14:10:09 <Khertan_> chem|st: most app are done in py
Jul 30 14:10:09 <Khertan_> :)
Jul 30 14:10:26 <jacekowski> how do you boot phone with flasher with non stock kernel
Jul 30 14:10:28 <jacekowski> withouf lashing
Jul 30 14:10:30 <jacekowski> flashing*
Jul 30 14:11:18 <Khertan_> in python : import flasher_without_flashing
Jul 30 14:11:21 <Khertan_> :)
Jul 30 14:11:27 <chem|st> Khertan_: ? I try to not install stuff I want to use frequently to be python
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Jul 30 14:11:46 <Khertan_> chem|st: oh so you are just using xterm ?
Jul 30 14:12:04 <Khertan_> :)
Jul 30 14:12:19 <chem|st> Khertan_: yes
Jul 30 14:12:36 <Khertan_> it s can be done with python too :)
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Jul 30 14:12:49 <chem|st> and irssi and mutt and screen and mocp and top and htop
Jul 30 14:12:52 <DocScrutinizer> >:-(
Jul 30 14:13:35 <chem|st> Khertan_: just because I am able to do anything with css people do with jscript doesn't mean it is good to do so!
Jul 30 14:13:56 <Khertan_> chem|st: exactly
Jul 30 14:14:46 <chem|st> nowadays you could do it that way as it doesn't matter if a website is several MB but go 8 years back in time...
Jul 30 14:16:54 <SpeedEvil> method call sender=:1.581 -> dest=org.freedesktop.DBus serial=1 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=Hello
Jul 30 14:16:54 <SpeedEvil> signal sender=org.freedesktop.DBus -> dest=(null destination) serial=660 path=/org/freedesktop/DBus; interface=org.freedesktop.DBus; member=NameOwnerChanged
Jul 30 14:17:01 <SpeedEvil> ny thoughts hat this might be?
Jul 30 14:17:02 <SpeedEvil> any
Jul 30 14:17:04 <crashanddie> X-Fade: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4842918435/
Jul 30 14:17:13 <SpeedEvil> something is calling it once a second
Jul 30 14:17:37 <SpeedEvil> the sender varies - indeed increments.
Jul 30 14:17:45 <SpeedEvil> how can I tell what process is doing this?
Jul 30 14:24:03 <Dieterbe> i notice when i upload pictures to FB using the built-in image sharing service on the n900, the image is rotated in the wrong way. it looks as if FB strips the exif tags (they are gone when i view the image in the browser), but does not apply the rotation.  is this a problem with FB or is the maemo uploader supposed to rotate the images before submitting?
Jul 30 14:24:09 <DocScrutinizer> which - on a sidenote - has been exactly what I asked some 20..40h ago: how to find process from sender?
Jul 30 14:25:16 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: It's quite annoying.
Jul 30 14:25:23 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Jul 30 14:25:32 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: system or session?
Jul 30 14:25:42 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: _everything_ wakes up to listen to this message and work out 'it's not for me'
Jul 30 14:25:50 <DocScrutinizer> not that I could tell anything from it
Jul 30 14:26:19 <rlinfati>  Hi, someone upload a libsdl-mixer1.2 to extras-devel, and it's in conflict with the nokia version... http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsdl-mixer1.2/
Jul 30 14:27:06 <SpeedEvil> I get a different message once a second on system and session
Jul 30 14:28:11 <Dieterbe> hmm. got a bug for my issue https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9511
Jul 30 14:28:12 <povbot> Bug 9511: Images taken with N900, after rotated, can't be uploaded in the correct orientation using Facebook sharing service
Jul 30 14:28:30 <chem|st> oh as I hear mixer... how do I set the earpiece volume control to use a higher maximum?
Jul 30 14:29:54 <chem|st> Dieterbe: seems like fb uploads everything in landscape even if rotated from the camera while captured
Jul 30 14:30:13 <chem|st> think that is an exif problem of FB
Jul 30 14:30:19 <zeltak> morning guys :) are there alternatives to the default terminal?
Jul 30 14:30:40 <chem|st> zeltak: you mean something else than busybox?
Jul 30 14:30:54 <chem|st> or the shell?
Jul 30 14:31:42 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: lsfsor
Jul 30 14:31:59 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: ?
Jul 30 14:32:02 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: ...should know how to get process from sender
Jul 30 14:32:18 <DocScrutinizer> FSO
Jul 30 14:32:18 <SpeedEvil> not found
Jul 30 14:32:25 <SpeedEvil> ah
Jul 30 14:32:33 <DocScrutinizer> it's python iirc
Jul 30 14:35:37 <n900-space> hi guys
Jul 30 14:35:40 <n900-space> quick question
Jul 30 14:35:45 <SpeedEvil> 43
Jul 30 14:35:57 <DocScrutinizer> 42
Jul 30 14:36:11 <mortini> 41
Jul 30 14:36:13 <n900-space> need to completely wash anything on n900, and flash it with pr1.2.
Jul 30 14:36:33 <DocScrutinizer> use mild detergent
Jul 30 14:36:36 <ToJa92> [n900-space]: Well to wash it put it in a washing machine ;)
Jul 30 14:36:45 <SpeedEvil> Take the battery out first though.
Jul 30 14:36:51 <SpeedEvil> And put it on boil wash.
Jul 30 14:37:06 <SpeedEvil> Remember to use colour-safe powder, or you risk fading the screen.
Jul 30 14:37:16 <SpeedEvil> I forgot, and now everything is pastel.
Jul 30 14:38:08 <zeltak> chem|st: i meant the actuall terminal :) was wondering if there were alternatives
Jul 30 14:39:48 <jacekowski> wash it and flash it
Jul 30 14:40:08 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: pid = dbusi.GetConnectionUnixProcessID(s)
Jul 30 14:40:19 <SpeedEvil> sigh
Jul 30 14:40:22 <DocScrutinizer> google for lsfsor
Jul 30 14:40:25 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Jul 30 14:41:40 <n900-space_> hi again
Jul 30 14:41:42 <n900-space_> got dc
Jul 30 14:41:44 <n900-space_> as i was saying
Jul 30 14:41:50 <n900-space_> wash everything from n900 :)
Jul 30 14:41:56 <SpeedEvil> why?
Jul 30 14:41:57 <markinfo> I have installed opera browser. But all link from Emails are still through original Browser opened. How to change it?
Jul 30 14:42:21 <n900-space_> becuz there are lots of things not working on my n900 since i installed pr1.2
Jul 30 14:42:24 <zeltak> also i stuipdly transferd my .bashrc from my nix machine over to /home/usr and overan the default one...sice then i cant get my aliases to work (using bash of course) do you guy use aliases without a problem?
Jul 30 14:42:28 <jacekowski> n900-space_: use colour safe bleach
Jul 30 14:42:32 <n900-space_> for example, the photos are not listed in the photos
Jul 30 14:42:42 <n900-space_> plus songs and videos are not listed
Jul 30 14:42:50 <jacekowski> flash it
Jul 30 14:43:01 <n900-space_> the "browserd" starts running randomly takes all the processing and drains battery
Jul 30 14:43:04 <jacekowski> fiasco + emmc flash
Jul 30 14:43:13 <n900-space_> i have to 'kill' it from console
Jul 30 14:43:15 <n900-space_> etc
Jul 30 14:43:15 <jacekowski> browserd is supposed to run all the time
Jul 30 14:43:26 <n900-space_> i want to complete remove/format everything
Jul 30 14:43:29 <n900-space_> start from scratch
Jul 30 14:43:31 <jacekowski> ~flashing
Jul 30 14:43:33 * DocScrutinizer sighs... no infobot
Jul 30 14:43:39 <infobot_> i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Jul 30 14:43:45 <DocScrutinizer> duh
Jul 30 14:43:49 <n900-space_> yea it is supposed to but its not supposed to take 99% of the processing when no browser window is open
Jul 30 14:44:50 <DocScrutinizer> ~status
Jul 30 14:44:50 <infobot_> Since Fri Jul 30 13:05:31 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands.  I have been awake for 1h 39m 19s this session, and currently reference 117188 factoids.  I'm using about 15728 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 23.12/2.15 child 0/0.01
Jul 30 14:46:04 <DocScrutinizer> \o/
Jul 30 14:46:08 <kerio> browserd also does maps and conversations
Jul 30 14:46:10 <kerio> so yeah
Jul 30 14:46:11 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
Jul 30 14:46:11 <infobot_> thanks, DocScrutinizer
Jul 30 14:46:20 <kerio> ~botsnack
Jul 30 14:46:21 <kerio> ~docsnack
Jul 30 14:46:39 <jacekowski> ~slap DocScrutinizer
Jul 30 14:46:40 * infobot_ slaps DocScrutinizer, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
Jul 30 14:48:00 <n900-space_> jacekowski: its says if i have a production unit, i shud not format emmc, and contact nokia
Jul 30 14:48:08 <n900-space_> what do you suggest jacekowski
Jul 30 14:48:17 <jacekowski> format != flash
Jul 30 14:48:59 <chem|st> zeltak: nope afaik
Jul 30 14:49:17 <n900-space_> sorry i meant flash jacekowski , used the wrong word
Jul 30 14:49:28 <n900-space_> jacekowski: check: "Flasing the eMMC resets the MyDocs folder contents to factory settings. N900 users don't need to reflash the eMMC of their device. If you are reading this it's probably because you got a pre-production device e.g. in the Maemo Summit. If you have a sales unit and you have problems with your eMMC you should contact Nokia Care."
Jul 30 14:49:58 <jacekowski> n900-space_: just flash it
Jul 30 14:50:00 <zeltak> thx chem|st
Jul 30 14:50:11 <jacekowski> n900-space_: if you want to wipe it completly
Jul 30 14:50:26 <n900-space_> yes wipe it completely
Jul 30 14:50:29 <jacekowski> n900-space_: emmc and fiasco at the sime time
Jul 30 14:50:34 <jacekowski> n900-space_: don't reboot in between
Jul 30 14:50:34 <n900-space_> flash with the fiascogen
Jul 30 14:50:36 <kerio> without rebooting
Jul 30 14:50:36 <n900-space_> ok
Jul 30 14:50:43 <jacekowski> no
Jul 30 14:50:44 <n900-space_> yea , as the wiki says
Jul 30 14:50:45 <jacekowski> without fiascogen
Jul 30 14:50:57 <jacekowski> just with normal maemo flasher from tablet-dev website
Jul 30 14:51:04 <jacekowski> with latest fiasco and emmc images
Jul 30 14:52:19 <DocScrutinizer> infobot_: botsnack
Jul 30 14:52:23 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Jul 30 14:52:48 <n900-space_> hmm
Jul 30 14:52:58 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: botsnack
Jul 30 14:52:58 <kerio> !botsnack
Jul 30 14:52:58 <infobot_> DocScrutinizer: thanks
Jul 30 14:53:03 <kerio> :(
Jul 30 14:53:37 <DocScrutinizer> apt: botsnack
Jul 30 14:54:10 <crashanddie> ~botsnack
Jul 30 14:54:11 <infobot_> thanks, crashanddie
Jul 30 14:54:14 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: botsnack
Jul 30 14:56:05 <pigeon> does anyone know the name of the foursquare n900 client which is not BarrioSquare?
Jul 30 15:00:39 <DocScrutinizer> cotchin?
Jul 30 15:00:43 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=foursquare+n900+-barriosquare&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
Jul 30 15:01:53 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, no idea at all what foursquare really is
Jul 30 15:02:39 <DocScrutinizer> just testing a theory that your question can be translated 1:1 to a google query
Jul 30 15:02:56 <pigeon> hehe
Jul 30 15:03:03 <pigeon> i forgot about the - syntax
Jul 30 15:03:04 <pigeon> thanks
Jul 30 15:18:56 <Dieterbe> chem|st: yeah i think FB just plainly ignores the exif tags
Jul 30 15:22:02 <smhar> how to copy text or link to clipboard in Firefox in N900?
Jul 30 15:24:16 <frals> uhm whats the version string of pr1.2?
Jul 30 15:25:51 <ToJa92> [frals]: I'd check it for you but for some reason the about dialog shows <unknown> version.
Jul 30 15:27:51 <GAN900> 10.2010.19-frals_sucks
Jul 30 15:28:44 <frals> thanks
Jul 30 15:28:47 <frals> :)
Jul 30 15:31:43 <Stskeeps> frals: i'm not retarded but he deserves a second chance.. some people only understand violence
Jul 30 15:31:57 <frals> yeah, i just noticed the ip myself :p
Jul 30 15:32:09 * frals goes back to fiddling
Jul 30 15:34:37 <Stskeeps> frals: and mind-numbing conversation / smalltalk is horrible to trolls who think they're hiding
Jul 30 15:34:49 <frals> ^^
Jul 30 15:35:08 <GAN900> Ha
Jul 30 15:35:54 <Stskeeps> i mean, we tamed luke-jr eventually :p
Jul 30 15:40:09 <smhar> I want to download Nokia Qt SDK for debian, but is it really 557mb download?!
Jul 30 15:40:26 <Stskeeps> how big is visual studio again?
Jul 30 15:40:37 <mortini> 4mb
Jul 30 15:40:52 <achipa> smhar: if you don't need all components, go for the online version, it will download only what you select
Jul 30 15:42:05 <joga> hmm... what's this now... I received an sms with a timestamp of 18:17, and then replied immediately, but my response is timestamped 18:08
Jul 30 15:42:36 <frals> phone time vs smsc time
Jul 30 15:43:05 <joga> could smsc be so off?
Jul 30 15:43:06 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, let's see if in ~30 min infobot reclaims her primary nick
Jul 30 15:44:08 <kerio> ~botsnack
Jul 30 15:44:09 <infobot_> thanks, kerio
Jul 30 15:44:35 <slonopotamus> joga: incoming time is not your phone time.
Jul 30 15:45:15 <joga> slonopotamus, ok. to me it would seem more reasonable to show the time the phone received it but I guess it wouldn't be good in all cases
Jul 30 15:45:28 <kerio> it would make sense
Jul 30 15:45:30 <kerio> that's why it's not done that way
Jul 30 15:45:36 <slonopotamus> joga: there is a bugreport about that
Jul 30 15:45:40 <joga> ok
Jul 30 15:45:43 <joga> I'm off to sauna now :)
Jul 30 15:45:56 <slonopotamus> actually sometimes you want to know both send and receive times.
Jul 30 15:49:19 <toggles_w> user/FOO !
Jul 30 15:51:30 <jacekowski> Stskeeps: vs expres is about 150M
Jul 30 15:51:44 <jacekowski> Stskeeps: full visual studio is about 300
Jul 30 16:10:32 <timeless> fwiw, mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12/ will be live sometime sunday
Jul 30 16:10:44 <timeless> the sources copied over today, but the index is still moving
Jul 30 16:11:20 <timeless> (it's currently available from http://mxr.moego.org/fremantle12/ if people are in a hurry)
Jul 30 16:20:06 <DrIDK> hello! WHERE do I need to copy my icon to use it for my hildon application? I m calling icon from my desktop file. But I do not know where to copy it
Jul 30 16:23:43 <fragment> DrIDK: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon/
Jul 30 16:24:43 <kerio> why do i sometimes get applications with no icon, especially the freshly installed ones?
Jul 30 16:24:55 <kerio> is there a way to force a reload of the icons without rebooting?
Jul 30 16:25:03 <kerio> ~docsnack
Jul 30 16:25:04 <DrIDK> fragment: so it must be an svg icon ??
Jul 30 16:25:12 <fragment> DrIDK: png
Jul 30 16:25:33 <fragment> kerio: dunno. originally there was some kind of icon cache but it was removed and the icons still act like there was a cache..
Jul 30 16:25:59 <DrIDK> fragment: witch size ?
Jul 30 16:26:30 <fragment> DrIDK: the desktop icon is 64x64. app manager icon is 48x48
Jul 30 16:26:50 <DrIDK> fragment: but there is one folder...
Jul 30 16:27:41 <fragment> DrIDK: huh?:)
Jul 30 16:28:47 <DrIDK> fragment: I have an icon 64x64.  called : vlc-remote.png..        You said me to copy in : /scalable/hildon...      Is it for desktop icon or app manager icon ?
Jul 30 16:28:57 <fragment> DrIDK: desktop icon.
Jul 30 16:29:06 <fragment> DrIDK: the app manager icon is put into the .deb control file
Jul 30 16:30:40 <fragment> DrIDK: but if you are not making an installer package, then you don't have to worry about the app manager icon
Jul 30 16:31:01 <DrIDK> fragment: I m making a package using qtcreator2
Jul 30 16:31:47 <DrIDK> fragment: so, I m going to wait the community help! Let's go to upload my first version
Jul 30 16:42:11 <tripzero> :S
Jul 30 16:42:45 <Stskeeps> infobot=docscrutinizer? i knew it!
Jul 30 16:43:06 <DocScrutinizer> idiotic joke of some ibot sysop
Jul 30 16:43:27 <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: please kickban on #meego
Jul 30 16:43:41 <Stskeeps> kickban the infobot? :P
Jul 30 16:43:55 <DocScrutinizer> kickban DocScrutinizer_
Jul 30 16:47:10 <alterego> Anyone come across a good way to do a screencast
Jul 30 16:47:25 <alterego> ximagesrc doesn't seem to like me ..
Jul 30 16:47:49 <alterego> And x11vnc is way too laggy
Jul 30 16:48:20 <MohammadAG51> get a 800x480 camcorder, solder it onto something and make it record the N900's screen
Jul 30 16:48:28 <alterego> fff
Jul 30 16:48:36 <alterego> Not good enough.
Jul 30 16:48:54 <MohammadAG51> tv out
Jul 30 16:48:55 * alterego looks for prices of video digitizer dongles.
Jul 30 16:48:58 <ShadowJK> or get something with composite input ;-D
Jul 30 16:49:03 <alterego> Yeah, I Was jus thinking that.
Jul 30 16:49:14 <MohammadAG51> on a related note
Jul 30 16:49:19 <alterego> Still, it'd be nice if ximagesrc would work nice ..
Jul 30 16:49:22 <MohammadAG51> why does vnc suck more than closed logmein crap
Jul 30 16:49:28 <Stskeeps> alterego: didn't load applet have a screencast thing?
Jul 30 16:49:29 <ShadowJK> I haven't found any screencast software that works with decent fps on my quad core PC, so I'm not that hopeful for something that'd work on 600MHz ARM..
Jul 30 16:49:36 <MohammadAG51> Stskeeps, too slow tbh
Jul 30 16:49:57 <alterego> There's some really annoying aspects to gstreamer on the N900
Jul 30 16:50:02 <alterego> like the alpha plugin doesn't work.
Jul 30 16:50:54 <alterego> I just wannt show case my app base code.
Jul 30 16:50:56 <alterego> :(
Jul 30 16:51:27 <MohammadAG51> record the N900?
Jul 30 16:51:30 <FIQ> i set my computer to 800x600 just to test and it ran pretty fine then
Jul 30 16:51:51 <FIQ> runned*
Jul 30 16:52:17 <alterego> I've used recordmydesktop for recording specific windows fine ...
Jul 30 16:56:43 <DrIDK> do Someone want to package my application :http://vcs.maemo.org/git/vlc-remote/?p=vlc-remote;a=summary  ?
Jul 30 16:57:13 <DocScrutinizer> ~ping
Jul 30 16:57:14 <apt> ~pong
Jul 30 17:04:09 <alterego> Hrm, maybe an SVG would be good for rendering my track log ..
Jul 30 17:04:18 <alterego> Nice for saaving too ..
Jul 30 17:05:53 <johnsq> Hi
Jul 30 17:05:53 <Arkenoi> what is recommended jabber conferences client for maemo?
Jul 30 17:12:53 <LuciusMare> Hello, I installed fmms, but it didn't work for me, so i removed it again, but the internet connection called "mms" still stays there, and it can't be removed - how to remove it.
Jul 30 17:12:55 <LuciusMare> ?
Jul 30 17:14:57 <tripzero> LuciusMare, if you ignore it, it's as good as gone ;)
Jul 30 17:15:15 <tripzero> j/k, i'm really not sure how to remove it
Jul 30 17:15:20 <LuciusMare> I ignore it, but my autoconnection doesn't :/
Jul 30 17:15:25 <ShadowJK> can you delete it in internet connections?
Jul 30 17:15:43 <tripzero> you can also make it not autoconnect in the same settings
Jul 30 17:15:50 <LuciusMare> nope, it can't be removed this way, it's button is gray
Jul 30 17:16:30 <TomaszD> Stskeeps, ordered a used 1920x1200 15,4 inch screen :)
Jul 30 17:17:06 <LuciusMare> tripzero: oh, can I? I can't find it
Jul 30 17:19:03 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: but I was never a troll ☺
Jul 30 17:19:58 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: trolls don't have a point to make
Jul 30 17:22:12 <LuciusMare> Hm, maybe I could delete it manually... Does the connections app store it's configuration in a file somewhere?
Jul 30 17:22:28 <Stskeeps> TomaszD: to plug into the joggler? ;p
Jul 30 17:22:38 <TomaszD> nah
Jul 30 17:22:40 <Stskeeps> luke-jr:  ;p
Jul 30 17:22:48 <TomaszD> replace my laptop screen
Jul 30 17:24:03 <luke-jr> Stskeeps: also, I'm not exactly happy with the N810 situation any more now than I was then :P
Jul 30 17:24:51 <luke-jr> the only key changes to me recently IMO are 1) Nokia sent me a N900, and I can't whine about what I never paid for; 2) I see the N900 has significant value to others who might not want the same thing I do :p
Jul 30 17:25:04 <luke-jr> point 2 is why I've actually been able to suggest it to people I know
Jul 30 17:38:39 <h4xordood> heya :)
Jul 30 17:39:14 <h4xordood> from past 2 days i am trying repair corrupted 16gb micro sd
Jul 30 17:39:27 <h4xordood> computer doesnt reads it
Jul 30 17:39:58 <h4xordood> when i connect n900 with this card inserted it says its 30.6 mb
Jul 30 17:40:01 <h4xordood> o_O
Jul 30 17:40:18 <h4xordood> try to format it says cannot format
Jul 30 17:40:30 <h4xordood> should i through this card now ?
Jul 30 17:40:35 <h4xordood> :(
Jul 30 17:41:30 <LuciusMare> Does the connections app store it's configuration in a file somewhere?
Jul 30 17:42:27 <LuciusMare> h4xordood: are you using linux or windows?
Jul 30 17:42:45 <crashanddie> h4xordood: fdisk it, trash the partition, create new one, format
Jul 30 17:42:45 <h4xordood> i have both :)
Jul 30 17:43:05 <h4xordood> computer doesnt read that card
Jul 30 17:43:13 <h4xordood> only n900 can read it
Jul 30 17:43:22 <h4xordood> but not read its contents
Jul 30 17:43:34 <h4xordood> n900 shows me /dev/mmcblk1
Jul 30 17:43:40 <h4xordood> only this device
Jul 30 17:43:53 <h4xordood> so i can use sfdisk only
Jul 30 17:43:55 <h4xordood> :(
Jul 30 17:44:14 <LuciusMare> what does "dmesg|tail" say after connecting it to your linux?
Jul 30 17:44:34 <h4xordood> though this card is 16gb but its says its 30.6 mb
Jul 30 17:44:44 <h4xordood> LuciusMare, okay wait i reboot to linux
Jul 30 17:48:52 <h4xordood> LuciusMare: dmesg | tail
Jul 30 17:48:53 <h4xordood> mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
Jul 30 17:49:33 <tbaars> just dmesg should work
Jul 30 17:49:45 <tbaars> or mount
Jul 30 17:50:40 <h4xordood> how ?
Jul 30 17:50:56 <h4xordood> mount /dev/mmc /mnt
Jul 30 17:50:57 <h4xordood> ?
Jul 30 17:51:49 <tbaars> fuser -k
Jul 30 17:52:01 <tbaars> or umount -l
Jul 30 17:52:12 <tbaars> after, the dmesg or mount
Jul 30 17:52:16 <tbaars> ur choice
Jul 30 17:53:46 <LuciusMare> h4xordood: no messages regarding "/dev"ices?
Jul 30 17:54:30 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Jul 30 17:54:36 <DocScrutinizer_> hehehe
Jul 30 17:54:43 <DocScrutinizer__> hehehehe
Jul 30 17:54:48 * tbaars Burps
Jul 30 17:54:58 <Lucius> he
Jul 30 17:55:04 <LuciusMare> hehe
Jul 30 17:55:16 <Hehe> Hehe
Jul 30 17:55:17 <h4xordood> mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
Jul 30 17:55:18 <LuciusMare> tbaars!
Jul 30 17:55:23 <Hehe> What?!
Jul 30 17:55:34 <h4xordood> how can i mount corrupted sd card
Jul 30 17:55:43 <LuciusMare> h4xordood: with a hammer
Jul 30 17:55:50 <h4xordood> ha :D
Jul 30 17:55:52 <Me> stop!
Jul 30 17:55:55 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, but did you ever get THAT: [2010-07-30 18:59:50] [Whois] DocScrutinizer_ ist ~infobot@rikers.org (TimRiker's infobot)
Jul 30 17:55:59 <crashanddie> h4xordood: what did I tell you?
Jul 30 17:56:00 <Me> help the guy!
Jul 30 17:56:21 * You are an idiot.
Jul 30 17:56:35 * Guest75591 I'm not!
Jul 30 17:56:43 <tbaars> why?
Jul 30 17:57:03 <crashanddie> please stop it
Jul 30 17:57:08 <crashanddie> or you'll be banned
Jul 30 17:57:16 <tbaars> OK, sorry
Jul 30 17:57:32 <LuciusMare> that was so gentle
Jul 30 17:57:59 <LuciusMare> h4xordood: okay, I think that the card might be lost
Jul 30 17:58:11 <LuciusMare> but again, no messages in dmesg regarding /dev?
Jul 30 17:58:16 <h4xordood> so i should through away now ?
Jul 30 17:58:23 <crashanddie> "throw"
Jul 30 17:58:29 <crashanddie> h4xordood: I told you what to do
Jul 30 17:58:36 <h4xordood> mmcblk0: mmc0:d555 SD032 30.6 MiB
Jul 30 17:58:38 <h4xordood>  mmcblk0: unknown partition table
Jul 30 17:58:39 <h4xordood> mmc0: card d555 removed
Jul 30 17:58:47 <crashanddie> h4xordood: fdisk it, remove the partition, create a new one, format that new partition
Jul 30 17:58:48 <h4xordood> mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card
Jul 30 17:58:58 <tbaars> umount -l /dev/mmcblk0
Jul 30 17:59:05 <h4xordood> crashanddie: but system is not recongnising
Jul 30 17:59:11 <tbaars> mount /dev/mmcblk0
Jul 30 17:59:17 <crashanddie> h4xordood: sure it does
Jul 30 17:59:20 <h4xordood> it doesnt show me device
Jul 30 17:59:29 <crashanddie> h4xordood: ls /dev/mmc*
Jul 30 17:59:40 <h4xordood> mount: can't find /dev/mmcblk0 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
Jul 30 17:59:46 <DocScrutinizer> h4xordood: dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mmcblkX bs=1M count=18000
Jul 30 18:00:12 <DocScrutinizer> h4xordood: this will completely erase the card
Jul 30 18:00:25 <LuciusMare> :O
Jul 30 18:00:30 <LuciusMare> erm
Jul 30 18:00:34 <LuciusMare> It will not
Jul 30 18:00:38 <DocScrutinizer> then try to fdisk patition and mkfs format it
Jul 30 18:00:51 <LuciusMare> /dev/null gives afaik no usable output
Jul 30 18:00:55 <h4xordood> okay i try from phone
Jul 30 18:00:56 <LuciusMare> unlike /dev/zero
Jul 30 18:01:04 <DocScrutinizer> sorry /dev/zero
Jul 30 18:01:22 <JackBeSlow> Is there any work on skype video chat working on the n900?
Jul 30 18:01:40 <h4xordood> because in phones terminal i see /dev/mmcblk1
Jul 30 18:01:40 <frals> so hmm
Jul 30 18:01:50 <LuciusMare> JackBeSlow: I have the button right now, but I haven't tried it yet
Jul 30 18:01:51 <frals> is anything going to break horribly if i only flash the emmc?
Jul 30 18:01:52 <JackBeSlow> Last I heard it didn't but I was hoping that would be resolved by now. Google searching brings up only old forum posts.
Jul 30 18:02:04 <DocScrutinizer> h4xordood: good
Jul 30 18:02:07 <DocScrutinizer> h4xordood: do it
Jul 30 18:02:45 <DocScrutinizer> h4xordood: if you get IO errors prior to finishing writing to end of card, then card is broken
Jul 30 18:02:57 <JackBeSlow> LuciusMare: Would you mind testing it? It's the main thing holding me back from blowing a pay check on an n900.
Jul 30 18:03:31 <cehteh> http://singularityhub.com/2010/07/29/exclusive-i-used-blindtype-virtual-keyboard-of-the-future/  seen that? nice ..
Jul 30 18:03:49 <LuciusMare> JackBeSlow: I am now on gprs, I highly doubt it would work
Jul 30 18:03:58 <JackBeSlow> ah, bummer.
Jul 30 18:04:04 <crashanddie> brb
Jul 30 18:04:05 <JackBeSlow> Thanks anyway.
Jul 30 18:05:04 <cehteh> patent pending .. not so nice
Jul 30 18:06:28 <ShadowJK> frals, yep.
Jul 30 18:07:11 <frals> doh
Jul 30 18:07:27 <JackBeSlow> Well found an article that says it was added in PR 1.2 so as well as a youtube video of it working. So I am excited.
Jul 30 18:07:38 <ShadowJK> frals, on first boot, stuff is moved from rootfs to emmc. If you wipe emmc, that stuff is no longer there
Jul 30 18:08:06 <LuciusMare> JackBeSlow: well, I have 1.2, so I can confirm it is at least implemented
Jul 30 18:08:13 <ShadowJK> It'll still start, but the lack of fonts and themes is the first thing you'll notice, and then it starts crashing :)
Jul 30 18:08:26 <frals> bah
Jul 30 18:08:47 <frals> oh well, noticed flasher still doesnt work on my win7 x64 machine so ill just flash it all at work on monday :P
Jul 30 18:11:06 <h4xordood_> i have 16 GB msd but it shows total capacity 30.6 mb
Jul 30 18:11:09 <h4xordood_> :\
Jul 30 18:11:43 <h4xordood_> i did dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1M count=18000
Jul 30 18:11:53 <h4xordood_> but still it shows 30 mb
Jul 30 18:12:27 <johnsq> time to get a new one
Jul 30 18:18:02 <h4xordood_> i bought this 2 days back :(
Jul 30 18:18:16 <crashand1ie_> then use warranty
Jul 30 18:18:18 <crashand1ie_> numbnuts
Jul 30 18:18:31 <Ljrn900> (insert rant about BME here)
Jul 30 18:18:32 <h4xordood_> without waranty
Jul 30 18:18:38 <crashand1ie_> of course you have warranty
Jul 30 18:18:57 <Ljrn900> do I, I wonder?
Jul 30 18:19:39 <Ljrn900> anyhow, back to my rant....
Jul 30 18:20:08 <Ljrn900> apparently BME decided to stop charging my battery a few hours ago
Jul 30 18:20:34 <Ljrn900> so now it's like 20%
Jul 30 18:20:47 <Ljrn900> :(
Jul 30 18:21:06 <ShadowJK> It only does a few retries on failing input source
Jul 30 18:24:27 <h4xordood_> okay i get some info
Jul 30 18:24:44 <h4xordood_> connected n900 on linux it shows on /dev/sdc
Jul 30 18:25:01 <crashanddie> h4xordood_: then fdisk /dev/sdc
Jul 30 18:26:13 <h4xordood_>  invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite)
Jul 30 18:27:28 <crashanddie> then write it
Jul 30 18:27:41 <crashanddie> h4xordood_: do a p first
Jul 30 18:27:49 <crashanddie> h4xordood_: and see what kind of table you have
Jul 30 18:28:21 <JackBeSlow> Any word on whether Nokia will update the flash player? I'm not asking when, just if it's ever going to happen or if 9.4 is the end.
Jul 30 18:28:43 <crashanddie> JackBeSlow: when we know about it, you'll know about it
Jul 30 18:28:49 <JackBeSlow> ha, ok.
Jul 30 18:28:57 <JackBeSlow> Just checking.
Jul 30 18:29:54 <h4xordood_> Disk /dev/sdc: 32 MB, 32096256 bytes
Jul 30 18:29:55 <h4xordood_> 1 heads, 62 sectors/track, 1011 cylinders
Jul 30 18:29:57 <h4xordood_> Units = cylinders of 62 * 512 = 31744 bytes
Jul 30 18:29:58 <h4xordood_> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Jul 30 18:30:00 <h4xordood_> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Jul 30 18:30:01 <h4xordood_> Disk identifier: 0x415ffa70
Jul 30 18:30:08 <crashanddie> h4xordood_: don't paste in here please
Jul 30 18:30:16 <h4xordood_> if 16 gb then cyliner should be 1936
Jul 30 18:30:21 <h4xordood_> crashanddie: sorry
Jul 30 18:30:27 <h4xordood_> next time i wont
Jul 30 18:30:35 <crashanddie> 32MB
Jul 30 18:30:38 <crashanddie> the partition is correct
Jul 30 18:30:50 <crashanddie> are you just you didn't get conned?
Jul 30 18:30:53 <h4xordood_> but its 16gb micro sd
Jul 30 18:30:53 <crashanddie> Where did you buy it?
Jul 30 18:39:02 <h4xordood_> FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors
Jul 30 18:39:12 <h4xordood_> now dmesg | tail shows this
Jul 30 18:41:24 <Ljrn900> shadowjk it wasn't failing
Jul 30 18:46:31 <DrIDK> I was following this tuto : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=457064&postcount=28   But  I have always this error : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=457064&postcount=28
Jul 30 18:46:42 <DrIDK> rgis error : Currently there is no top level Makefile
Jul 30 18:46:51 <DrIDK> this error ( sorry) : "Currently there is no top level Makefile"
Jul 30 18:47:04 <DocScrutinizer> Ljrn900: bme usually doesn't decide to "stop charging". It's more likely it decided to stop working at all
Jul 30 18:47:25 <ShadowJK> he left :P
Jul 30 18:47:26 <DocScrutinizer> Ljrn900: try `root; stop bme; start bme`
Jul 30 18:47:30 <DocScrutinizer> oops
Jul 30 18:47:39 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Jul 30 18:47:44 * DocScrutinizer too
Jul 30 18:59:46 * DrIDK is wondering why it's harder to packaging than developping....
Jul 30 19:07:49 <gyerot> I can't ping .local domain on my n900; avahi works, I can access my phone using n900.local address, anybody knows how to enable this on the phone?
Jul 30 19:10:03 <psycho_oreos> maybe dns issue
Jul 30 19:10:38 <gyerot> I've added mdns4_minimal and mdns4 to /etc/nsswitch.conf, but nothing changed
Jul 30 19:17:02 <mgedmin> gyerot, do you have libnss-mdns installed?
Jul 30 19:17:30 <mgedmin> I don't think it even exists for maemo5
Jul 30 19:17:48 <gyerot> no, it's not in the repos
Jul 30 19:18:49 <gyerot> http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=236885 - I think this should solve this...
Jul 30 19:19:53 <DrIDK> and what does it mean : gpg: skipped  secret key not available ?
Jul 30 19:20:28 <gyerot> and it works! mgedmin, thanks for pointing in the right direction :)
Jul 30 19:20:39 <mgedmin> whoa, whoa, whoa!
Jul 30 19:20:44 <mgedmin> tell me where you found libnss-mdns!
Jul 30 19:20:47 <mgedmin> apt-cache policy
Jul 30 19:20:55 <gyerot> http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=236885
Jul 30 19:21:00 <gyerot> you can get it on this page
Jul 30 19:21:05 <gyerot> it's from Debian Armel
Jul 30 19:28:07 <mgedmin> it's not in any repository?
Jul 30 19:28:09 <mgedmin> damn :(
Jul 30 19:28:28 <gyerot> I guess it's in Diablo... someone could put it in extras for fremantle
Jul 30 19:29:06 <gyerot> it installed cleanly in my PR1.2 and works as intended
Jul 30 19:30:53 * mgedmin bookmarks for latter investigation
Jul 30 19:33:11 <DrIDK> !! please help.....! :( :( ! https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/vlcremote_0.1-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt
Jul 30 19:35:10 <steinex> i just added extras-testing and extras-devel to my sources and enabled apt-pinning so i don't upgrade to unstable versions
Jul 30 19:35:16 <steinex> after weeeeeks
Jul 30 19:35:21 <steinex> so much apps :D
Jul 30 19:36:55 <SpeedEvil> ssh root@phone
Jul 30 19:36:56 <SpeedEvil> powertop
Jul 30 19:37:05 <SpeedEvil> bugger
Jul 30 19:37:11 <SpeedEvil> I should open my eyes more often.
Jul 30 20:00:30 <luke-jr> ShadowJK: nm, it was
Jul 30 20:01:02 <luke-jr> I forgot I took it off charger then on this morning to see battery level -.-
Jul 30 20:01:10 <luke-jr> anyhow, N900 survived over an hour with 0% :p
Jul 30 20:01:17 <luke-jr> (Offline Mode + killall trackerd)
Jul 30 20:01:49 <gyerot> anybody knows some nice folder icons for apmefo?
Jul 30 20:07:04 <SpeedEvil> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/07/30/1855203/Tribalism-Is-the-Enemy-Within-Says-Shuttleworth ++
Jul 30 20:10:50 <DocScrutinizer> ~ping
Jul 30 20:10:51 <infobot> ~pong
Jul 30 20:10:57 <DocScrutinizer> \o/
Jul 30 20:11:27 <technomike> I am trying to unrar a rar file on my n900. I have installed both Xarchiver and File Roller, each to no success. They say unsupported archive. Any ideas? I have just gone to try 7zip which I am sure I seen the other day in the app manager but its not there now.
Jul 30 20:11:59 <SpeedEvil> 7zips are not rars
Jul 30 20:12:03 <SpeedEvil> have you tried unrar?
Jul 30 20:12:18 <technomike> 7zip supports rars
Jul 30 20:12:25 <SpeedEvil> a
Jul 30 20:12:36 <SpeedEvil> I'd just install unrar, which works for me
Jul 30 20:12:55 <technomike> Nope not yet. Good idea haha *smacks head* - The obvious option, I totally forgot to try! :-P
Jul 30 20:13:30 <technomike> Ah so you have actually had luck unraring on your n900 with the unrar app?
Jul 30 20:14:36 <SpeedEvil> yes - it works fine - unrared several ebooks
Jul 30 20:14:50 <technomike> brilliant
Jul 30 20:14:58 <technomike> thanks alot :)
Jul 30 20:14:59 <DrIDK> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/jpg-0-plasma-desktoppa8290   ( Left : this is me : vlcremotte )     Right ( another qt application..)  All is same expect the last line
Jul 30 20:19:08 <alterego> DrIDK: I don't think you've submitted a clean root
Jul 30 20:19:12 <alterego> for your application
Jul 30 20:31:59 <nox-> moin
Jul 30 20:34:54 <DrIDK> alterego: can you show me a "control" file example from debian rep ?
Jul 30 20:35:26 <alterego> The problem is your rules file not your control file.
Jul 30 20:37:10 <nox-> which repo is it that has things like less, traceroute, script, p7zip(?), (un)zip?
Jul 30 20:37:51 <SpeedEvil> tools I think
Jul 30 20:38:11 <SpeedEvil> http://maemo.org/packages/view/traceroute/
Jul 30 20:42:22 <E0x> http://blog.ksplice.com/2010/07/learning-by-doing-writing-your-own-traceroute-in-8-easy-steps/
Jul 30 20:43:28 <nox-> thx SpeedEvil ill try
Jul 30 20:43:45 <johnsq> iih python
Jul 30 20:51:48 <DocScrutinizer> another kind request for some 5 testers to please give http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/  a review and thumb vote :-)
Jul 30 20:52:33 <nox-> hm do you have a deb line for tools SpeedEvil?
Jul 30 20:56:22 <DocScrutinizer> barisione: could I be right that custom-ringtones breaks vibrator?
Jul 30 20:57:52 <jacekowski> have you seen latest topgear episode with cameron diaz?
Jul 30 20:59:04 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jul 30 20:59:08 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: yes
Jul 30 20:59:11 <SpeedEvil> nox-: yes
Jul 30 21:00:16 <SpeedEvil> http://www.mauve.plus.com/ham - my repositories
Jul 30 21:01:23 <nox-> i have your last line and apt-get update complains about a 404 :(
Jul 30 21:01:46 <DrIDK> so, good night..( french).... I m going to sleep! ( I hate packaging!!) So,Thank you for supporting
Jul 30 21:02:29 <SpeedEvil> Sometimes repos are down
Jul 30 21:03:22 <nox-> ah ok
Jul 30 21:03:43 <nox-> akamai troubles then?
Jul 30 21:10:21 <tripzero> ok... releasing a 2.0 version of an IDE that depends on a library that's still in beta screams "we don't want you to actually, yanno, *use* this"
Jul 30 21:10:32 <tripzero> :(
Jul 30 21:10:44 <mortini> welcome to the new world order.
Jul 30 21:10:48 <mortini> use gmail?
Jul 30 21:10:50 <mortini> :D
Jul 30 21:14:03 <luke-jr> tripzero: so true
Jul 30 21:14:25 <luke-jr> mortini: GMail has got to be the most popular crap software ever
Jul 30 21:14:51 <tripzero> i mean... i want to use qtcreator 2.0, but I'd rather not screw over my desktop by installing qt 4.7...
Jul 30 21:15:10 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: eeeew, 203
Jul 30 21:15:26 <jacekowski> luke-jr: what is your problem with gmail?
Jul 30 21:15:38 <luke-jr> jacekowski: you obviously haven't looked at the source
Jul 30 21:15:46 <tripzero> has anyone?
Jul 30 21:15:57 <luke-jr> tripzero: you can derive some idea of it from the pages it serves you
Jul 30 21:15:59 <jacekowski> have they published it?
Jul 30 21:16:07 <jacekowski> or we are talking about different gmail
Jul 30 21:16:09 * tripzero can't imagine anything complex written in javascript to be "pretty"
Jul 30 21:16:19 <luke-jr> specifically, GMail serves different HTML/JS for each browser it supports
Jul 30 21:16:25 <luke-jr> on IE, it uses ActiveX
Jul 30 21:16:27 <luke-jr> etc
Jul 30 21:16:31 <jacekowski> gmail is using that gwt
Jul 30 21:16:38 <jacekowski> so javascript is generated automaticaly
Jul 30 21:18:32 <luke-jr> the point is it outputs browser-dependent "code"
Jul 30 21:18:36 <luke-jr> which is broken by design
Jul 30 21:18:45 <luke-jr> since it doesn't work in a generic undefined standards-compliant browser
Jul 30 21:31:19 <crashanddie> sure it does
Jul 30 21:31:31 <crashanddie> they have a standard output, but "optimised" output for different browsers
Jul 30 21:31:38 <crashanddie> any browser I know of can display the basic HTML interface
Jul 30 21:32:11 <crashanddie> And that's rule #1 of intelligent web design. Don't ask people to change their browser, tell them there is a better way, but give them access nonetheless
Jul 30 21:32:33 <ds3> thou shalt not use javascript
Jul 30 21:32:36 <crashanddie> It's a whole lot better than all those fuckwads who decided to use flash as a means of browsing a website
Jul 30 21:32:37 <ds3> or flash or ...
Jul 30 21:32:53 <crashanddie> javascript is fine, and it's an open standard.
Jul 30 21:33:37 <_llll_> i would tink a lot of phones struggle with javascript (luckily not maemo ones)
Jul 30 21:33:54 <crashanddie> take a good toolkit such as jquery, on a good cdn (so that it's already cached in the browser), and full on -- hardly any website load, and you can get very nice effects for the browsers who can (and want to) display it, but also falls back gracefully if it doesn't
Jul 30 21:39:38 <crashanddie> man, nobody giving me a good argument these days
Jul 30 21:39:57 <crashanddie> nobody replying to my semi-trolling on the neopwn thread, and nobody challenging my views here in #maemo, WHAT'S UP PEOPLE???
Jul 30 21:49:27 <GAN900> crashanddie, ssh.
Jul 30 21:49:38 <crashanddie> where the fuck you been, dog?
Jul 30 21:52:50 * SpeedEvil pours treacle on crashanddie and releases the puppies.
Jul 30 21:55:46 <technomike> got xarchiver working. i know this sounds absolutly stupid but i did not realise you have to install unrar AND xarchiver
Jul 30 21:56:13 <technomike> well xarchiver and unrar
Jul 30 21:56:36 <technomike> for xarchiver to work with rars
Jul 30 22:04:12 <NeverMore> Can anyone help me with cross compiling a kernel?
Jul 30 22:08:20 <Osama> im trying  to Build package in madde and i get thies error in pic
Jul 30 22:08:23 <Osama> http://a.imageshack.us/img197/8884/34137641.jpg
Jul 30 22:09:06 <Osama> any idea ?
Jul 30 22:18:04 <ds3> javascript is a bad idea...
Jul 30 22:18:17 <ds3> javascript, flash, java, etc are a very brown technology and should be abolished
Jul 30 22:38:51 <NeverMore> "Module.symvers: No such file or directory"   Any ideas? Anyone? Pretty please?
Jul 30 22:39:16 <mudd> hey does anybody know how to uninstall NITdroid?
Jul 30 22:39:44 <mortini> luke-jr: you mean other than Windows?
Jul 30 22:39:49 <NeverMore> Reflash?
Jul 30 22:42:13 <crashanddie> GAN900: around?
Jul 30 22:43:35 <crashanddie> ds3: you're the bad idea
Jul 30 22:45:08 <tripzero> NeverMore, do you have your kernel modules installed?
Jul 30 22:45:51 <NeverMore> I believe I do, but do I need them installed to compile the kernel?
Jul 30 22:46:40 <tripzero> NeverMore, you are trying to compile a kernel?
Jul 30 22:46:48 <NeverMore> tripzero: yes
Jul 30 22:47:33 <NeverMore> tripzero: shouldn't make create Module.symvers?
Jul 30 22:47:59 <tripzero> did you make {oldconfig,menuconfig,foo}?
Jul 30 22:48:30 <NeverMore> oldconfig,  n770_defconfig
Jul 30 22:53:14 <jacekowski> hmm, omap version in n900 has hardware cryptography
Jul 30 22:53:24 <GAN900> crashanddie, just about to get off work.
Jul 30 22:53:48 <jacekowski> and it would be nice if it could be used to have encrypted filesystem without performance impact
Jul 30 23:00:42 <NeverMore> tripzero: think I got it. put 'undef CONFIG_MODVERSIONS' in modversions.h
Jul 30 23:23:23 <magick777> what's the proper way to go about raising a feature request on an extras package, specifically telepathy-idle?
Jul 30 23:23:54 <magick777> does that belong on bugzilla with severity 'enhancement', or where does it go?
Jul 30 23:24:41 <magick777> want it to support NickServ GHOST command
Jul 30 23:29:05 <DocScrutinizer> talk to Robot101
Jul 30 23:29:56 * DocScrutinizer wonders whom to /kick, to celebrate sysadmin day
Jul 30 23:30:59 <DangerMaus> hey Fuzzydabear
Jul 30 23:31:09 <DangerMaus> errr... sheepbat
Jul 30 23:31:28 <DangerMaus> wait wrong channel
Jul 30 23:32:01 <DocScrutinizer> while the real sysadmins sitting in pub nearby, trying to empty the vodka bottles, I sit here and cure my stomach. Seems I'm a wannabe-sysadmin :-P
Jul 30 23:32:53 <ShadowJK> I had something like that earlier
Jul 30 23:32:55 <DangerMaus> head to the pub
Jul 30 23:33:05 <DangerMaus> your just a slave
Jul 30 23:33:22 <DangerMaus> well paid slave
Jul 30 23:33:27 <ShadowJK> then I drank 2 litres of water and some ibu and I felt worse for a while, and then beer was fine again
Jul 30 23:33:41 <ShadowJK> oh wow, that sounds like an alcoholic
Jul 30 23:34:23 <ShadowJK> dehydration :x
Jul 30 23:34:34 <DocScrutinizer> DangerMaus: neither is true - paid is zero, slave is not DocScrutinizer
Jul 30 23:35:30 <sheepbat> hello DangerMaus
Jul 30 23:35:35 <DangerMaus> hmmm just for fun
Jul 30 23:35:41 <DangerMaus> best way
Jul 30 23:36:17 <DocScrutinizer> and for the "head to the pub" bit: I'm just back home from over there, as I couldn't stand the 2 litres of tap water I had to swallow to keep the 2 vodka I was invited for
Jul 30 23:37:55 <DangerMaus> lol
Jul 30 23:38:04 <ShadowJK> my tap water is pumped out of the ground next door to a place that pumps bottled water for all the major brands :>
Jul 30 23:38:21 <DangerMaus> my tummy is on the fritz too this wekel
Jul 30 23:38:27 <DangerMaus> week
Jul 30 23:38:44 <jacekowski> i'm too old for that stuff
Jul 30 23:39:09 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: here we probably got the best tap water of the world, still I hated it when I was in that pup
Jul 30 23:39:20 <jacekowski> not so long ago i could drink over 1l of vodka just like that and have no hangover the following day
Jul 30 23:39:25 <DocScrutinizer> pub even
Jul 30 23:39:37 <jacekowski> proper 40% polish vodka
Jul 30 23:39:47 <jacekowski> not the stuff that freezes in freezer
Jul 30 23:39:54 <SpeedEvil> The way to avoid getting a hangover is simple.
Jul 30 23:40:05 <jacekowski> it's stupid way
Jul 30 23:40:08 <SpeedEvil> You get someone to wake you up every hour, and administer a small glass.
Jul 30 23:40:09 <jacekowski> you have to drink
Jul 30 23:40:12 <ShadowJK> I've only once done 1l vodka, that was to celebrate becoming civilian again :>
Jul 30 23:40:15 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: yeah with proper stolichnaya or absolut or sth like that, some 5 years ago no problem
Jul 30 23:40:32 <DangerMaus> i likethe spring water fromthe new england areaa
Jul 30 23:41:01 <SpeedEvil> Fortunate to have really nice water here in Scotland.
Jul 30 23:41:13 <jacekowski> does it glow at night?
Jul 30 23:41:26 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: in taipei (openmoko apartment) I had decent Absolut frozen from fridge :-D
Jul 30 23:41:29 <DocScrutinizer> was FINE
Jul 30 23:41:37 <SpeedEvil> If exposed to light during the day.
Jul 30 23:41:49 <ShadowJK> Absolut :)
Jul 30 23:42:11 <SpeedEvil> (Water in sunlight gets a slight seperation of OH and H ions, these recombine at night.
Jul 30 23:42:55 <jacekowski> i've heard that stuff is scotland is so radioactive that it's getting overy any norms
Jul 30 23:42:59 <jacekowski> over*
Jul 30 23:43:00 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: you know fairy tales :-D
Jul 30 23:43:45 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: Blame russia! Chernobyl did noticably increase the radiation.
Jul 30 23:43:57 * DocScrutinizer still wonders whom to /kick
Jul 30 23:44:01 <ShadowJK> I think scandinavia got more fallout, not sure :)
Jul 30 23:44:19 <ShadowJK> The radiation safety authority still publishes reports on the radiation levels of mushrooms
Jul 30 23:44:45 <DangerMaus> they all died
Jul 30 23:44:45 <jacekowski> so you're not denying the fact that stuff in scotland is glowing at night?
Jul 30 23:45:07 <DocScrutinizer> ha, that's been fun!
Jul 30 23:45:19 <ShadowJK> Nah you need some serious levels of radiation before you can see glow
Jul 30 23:45:26 <SpeedEvil> It only glows when I drop my fissionlight in it.
Jul 30 23:45:34 <jacekowski> ShadowJK: it's not that high
Jul 30 23:45:50 <jacekowski> ShadowJK: you can see glow of whatever is used in smoke detectors
Jul 30 23:45:58 <ShadowJK> hm
Jul 30 23:46:04 <ShadowJK> never seen any in mine :(
Jul 30 23:46:09 <jacekowski> just drop it into water
Jul 30 23:46:16 <jacekowski> i mean just that radioactive bit
Jul 30 23:46:27 <jacekowski> and you will see it glow in blueish colour
Jul 30 23:46:48 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: there are several kinds of smmoke detectors
Jul 30 23:46:49 <jacekowski> because of cherenkov radiation
Jul 30 23:47:49 <DocScrutinizer> cherenkov is photon cone of over-lighspeed particles :-) just like >1mach bang
Jul 30 23:47:59 <SpeedEvil> Also - the eye has a very non-zero background noise.
Jul 30 23:48:27 <jacekowski> but when i saw that 1st time live i was quite surprised how bright is it
Jul 30 23:48:33 <SpeedEvil> So even though the water might emit a photon, unless it's very statistically significant, you're not going to see it
Jul 30 23:48:42 <jacekowski> and i saw it trough like a 1m thick lead glass
Jul 30 23:48:54 <DangerMaus> ohwell off to the pub
Jul 30 23:48:56 <DocScrutinizer> eye is capable od detecing something like 10 photons to each of 10 receptors - amazingly low
Jul 30 23:49:12 <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene
Jul 30 23:49:40 <SpeedEvil> Depends also significantly on training interestingly.
Jul 30 23:50:10 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Jul 30 23:50:11 <jacekowski> well, i'm not sure about specific design
Jul 30 23:50:38 <jacekowski> but as far as i know it's core in lead and then in water
Jul 30 23:50:46 <DocScrutinizer> look into a 100Ws electon flash tube and you'll probably not see the sun for 20 min
Jul 30 23:50:50 <jacekowski> with glass around it
Jul 30 23:51:12 <jacekowski> and you could see core glow
Jul 30 23:51:29 <ShadowJK> If I'm in the dark, and I'm trying to like detect movement nearby, i mostly see the noise, and the brain tries to make it into something
Jul 30 23:51:33 <ShadowJK> :/
Jul 30 23:51:36 <luke-jr> mortini: ?
Jul 30 23:52:30 <DocScrutinizer> http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:TrigaReactorCore.jpeg&filetimestamp=20050823070124
Jul 30 23:52:50 <DocScrutinizer> http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Advanced_Test_Reactor.jpg&filetimestamp=20090926032300
Jul 30 23:53:46 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: i think camera was inside outer shield
Jul 30 23:54:34 <jacekowski> because the one i saw was little bit less bright partialy because it was trough quite thick lead glass
Jul 30 23:55:39 <mortini> luke-jr: < luke-jr> mortini: GMail has got to be the most popular crap software ever
Jul 30 23:55:48 <mortini> ^^ you mean more than windows?
Jul 30 23:55:58 <luke-jr> mortini: actually, in some ways, yes
Jul 30 23:56:06 <SpeedEvil> The eye is really quite sensitive. A microwatt light source is quite enough to not bump into large things if you walk slowly.
Jul 30 23:57:10 <SpeedEvil> most of the stars in the sky light the earth with around 1 billionth of a watt per square metre.
Jul 30 23:57:13 <jacekowski> btw. cherenkov radiation is the thing that's used for neutrinos research
Jul 30 23:57:32 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: as long as it's in the right spectral range, 10nW is enough to make out objects
Jul 30 23:57:36 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Jul 30 23:58:07 <SpeedEvil> I _think_ the lightsource I was testing is about 200nW - and that was quite fine
Jul 30 23:58:34 <DocScrutinizer> that one is friggin scary http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Cerenkov_Effect.jpg&filetimestamp=20081114142408
Jul 30 23:59:01 <crashanddie> if you have the luxury to have a completely black room (which is rare), you'll know how it feels to really see utterly nothing (you'll actually start having "flashes" of light, caused by the pressure of your blood and the lack of information coming from your eyes)
Jul 30 23:59:10 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Jul 30 23:59:16 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: why is it scary?
Jul 30 23:59:21 <SpeedEvil> brain winds up the gain till you see hte noise
Jul 31 00:00:51 <ShadowJK> I've been in completely dark hole before, with the only illumination being the stars, obscued by trees :-)
Jul 31 00:01:01 <ShadowJK> ears were more useful
Jul 31 00:01:45 <SpeedEvil> You can - under the right conditions - see the shadow cast by venus
Jul 31 00:02:06 <crashanddie> a lot of people have been able to see the direction of vegas from over 300 miles away, during overcast nights -- the light bounces off the clouds and off the ground. Another neat trick is to use long exposure during clear nights. Exposure of 30s at around f2 will allow you to spot most cities because of the light they emit towards the sky (the camera actually picks up the light being catching on the humidity in the air, causing
Jul 31 00:02:13 <jacekowski> what was the name of that pair of two stars
Jul 31 00:02:27 <SpeedEvil> The Olsen twins?
Jul 31 00:02:34 <jacekowski> blue and orange one
Jul 31 00:02:38 <crashanddie> he said stars
Jul 31 00:02:39 <Ken-Young> Alberio
Jul 31 00:02:51 <Ken-Young> Beta Cygni
Jul 31 00:02:55 <crashanddie> ever heard of a pair of three?
Jul 31 00:02:59 <SpeedEvil> I guess he has that on highlight. :)
Jul 31 00:03:27 <SpeedEvil> Oh - that reminds me.
Jul 31 00:03:33 <crashanddie> boobies?
Jul 31 00:03:44 <SpeedEvil> I need to try astrophotography with PR1.2
Jul 31 00:03:52 <crashanddie> lmao
Jul 31 00:03:57 <SpeedEvil> I tried it with 1.1, stacking frames, but it diddn't work
Jul 31 00:04:05 <SpeedEvil> And yes, it's very, very silly - but meh.
Jul 31 00:04:09 <crashanddie> well, you need good 1s exposures really
Jul 31 00:04:15 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Jul 31 00:04:25 <crashanddie> well, depends on your focal length really
Jul 31 00:04:25 <DangerMaus> so doc i used the internal gps today forgot to brimgthe external reciever wow it usd the battery up
Jul 31 00:04:29 <SpeedEvil> And a sensor that is not hopelessly noisy.
Jul 31 00:04:45 <crashanddie> what is the n900's focal length? Something like 30mm?
Jul 31 00:04:57 <SpeedEvil> more like 3
Jul 31 00:05:06 <crashanddie> well, I'm talking in 35mm equiv
Jul 31 00:05:08 <SpeedEvil> I think you mean F number
Jul 31 00:05:13 <ShadowJK> Can you filter some of the "static"/"invariable" noise away by taking multiple exposures with the sensor blocked as reference?
Jul 31 00:05:13 <crashanddie> no, I don't
Jul 31 00:05:26 <crashanddie> ShadowJK: yup
Jul 31 00:05:39 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: In principle yes. In practice, there was _way_ too much noise
Jul 31 00:05:43 <ShadowJK> I never quite figured out a ImageMagick recipie for doing that :-)
Jul 31 00:05:52 <jacekowski> it's called stacking
Jul 31 00:06:02 <crashanddie> jacekowski: erhm, no it's not
Jul 31 00:06:03 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: 1000 photos only reduce the noise by 30 times.
Jul 31 00:06:08 <jacekowski> i used to do it with old panasonic or philips camera
Jul 31 00:06:16 <jacekowski> to make some night photos of sky
Jul 31 00:06:18 <ShadowJK> But like, there are some pixels that are /always/ brighter than other pixels
Jul 31 00:06:35 <crashanddie> ShadowJK: yeah, when the sensor is being used, the power that runs through it makes it heat up
Jul 31 00:06:36 <ShadowJK> And when you stack, you see nothing except those brighter ones
Jul 31 00:06:56 <crashanddie> ShadowJK: so the longer the exposure, the higher the temp (the actual outside temperature is taken into account too)
Jul 31 00:06:56 <jacekowski> depends on definition of brighter
Jul 31 00:06:57 <SpeedEvil> You stack frames with the sensor covered, then stack them with it uncovered.
Jul 31 00:07:03 <SpeedEvil> you subtract the averages
Jul 31 00:07:04 * ShadowJK got some usable thunderstorm video with PR1.2 in night mode anyway
Jul 31 00:07:08 <Ken-Young> ShadowJK, That's why you take a "flat frame" of a blank white object.
Jul 31 00:07:20 <SpeedEvil> And yeah - that
Jul 31 00:07:35 <jacekowski> btw. i have question about one of buttons in that button thingy in top menu
Jul 31 00:07:36 <crashanddie> I don't like stacking
Jul 31 00:07:42 <SpeedEvil> a 'bright' frame (well - very dim) to work out sensitivity at very low brightnesses.
Jul 31 00:07:43 <crashanddie> I don't mind long exposures though
Jul 31 00:07:46 <jacekowski> it looks like a keyboard
Jul 31 00:07:49 <ShadowJK> Well a "flat frame" or a calibration frame or whatever.. to take into account the constant difference between subpixels
Jul 31 00:07:54 <jacekowski> with red/green circle in bottom right corner
Jul 31 00:07:57 <jacekowski> wtf is it?
Jul 31 00:08:01 <jacekowski> and what installed it?
Jul 31 00:08:28 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: ever tried multiple exposures?
Jul 31 00:08:33 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Jul 31 00:08:38 <ShadowJK> jacekowski, do you have lfocus?
Jul 31 00:08:39 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: I had an epiphany today, hang on, lemme link
Jul 31 00:08:40 <ShadowJK> live focus?
Jul 31 00:08:44 <ShadowJK> it sounds familiar
Jul 31 00:08:45 <jacekowski> yes
Jul 31 00:08:50 <SpeedEvil> I tried stacking 1000 dark, and 1000 live images
Jul 31 00:08:57 <SpeedEvil> it did nothing.
Jul 31 00:09:02 <Ken-Young> We need to experiment with cooling the N900 for astrophotography.
Jul 31 00:09:02 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: not stacking, multi-exposure: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4842918435/
Jul 31 00:09:23 <luke-jr> how do you do video with N900 anyhow?
Jul 31 00:09:31 <crashanddie> luke-jr: settings, video
Jul 31 00:09:36 <luke-jr> O.o
Jul 31 00:09:44 <crashanddie> luke-jr: I mean, in the camera app
Jul 31 00:09:56 <crashanddie> luke-jr: there's a menu where you can select iso sensitivity, and WB
Jul 31 00:10:00 <ShadowJK> luke-jr, what do you mean?
Jul 31 00:10:40 <achipa> SpeedEvil: what did you use for stacking ?
Jul 31 00:10:50 <DocScrutinizer> It actually took me some time to figure as well
Jul 31 00:11:02 <luke-jr> ShadowJK: making video files
Jul 31 00:11:12 <SpeedEvil> achipa: pnmarith, and pnmtools generally
Jul 31 00:11:14 <DocScrutinizer> click on wrench, select automatic-video
Jul 31 00:11:27 <luke-jr> I see no Video in settings
Jul 31 00:11:39 <achipa> hm, have not tried them for astrostuff... that's mostly registax land
Jul 31 00:11:40 <DocScrutinizer> not in SETTINGS, in CAMERA
Jul 31 00:11:48 <luke-jr> yeah, in Camera Settings
Jul 31 00:11:58 <luke-jr> I see White balance, ISO sensitivity, Exposure, and Resolution
Jul 31 00:12:05 <DocScrutinizer> damn, the botton two
Jul 31 00:12:18 <DocScrutinizer> in PR1.2 genuine cam
Jul 31 00:12:30 <ShadowJK> luke-jr, camera app. Icons on right: X (close camera app), MODE (Tap to select camera modes), Microphone (TAP to enable/disable mic), Settings Wrench (yada yada), Playback (launch media player)
Jul 31 00:12:33 <luke-jr> that's what I have…
Jul 31 00:12:36 <crashanddie> luke-jr: sorry, not wrench anymore, on "A"
Jul 31 00:12:37 <DocScrutinizer> err, sorry, not the wrench
Jul 31 00:12:38 <crashanddie> luke-jr: the top one
Jul 31 00:12:47 <DocScrutinizer> the 2nd from top icon on the right
Jul 31 00:12:48 <achipa> SpeedEvil: did you stack full size images or from a video ?
Jul 31 00:12:55 <SpeedEvil> achipa: fullsize images
Jul 31 00:12:56 <ShadowJK> icons on bottom left: time/exposures remaining, General Settings, Quality, EV
Jul 31 00:13:18 <ShadowJK> MODE is like  "A" by default
Jul 31 00:13:21 <ShadowJK> automatic photo
Jul 31 00:13:27 <achipa> SpeedEvil: asking since I wanted to experiment with that but did not have a clear sky ever since fcamera was released...
Jul 31 00:13:49 <crashanddie> guys, get a decent camera, good lens, sturdy tripod
Jul 31 00:13:58 <crashanddie> really, a lot more fun than with the n900
Jul 31 00:14:25 <achipa> crashanddie: erwhat ? for astrophotos ?
Jul 31 00:14:30 <SpeedEvil> It's not in the expectation of results.
Jul 31 00:14:42 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: N900 still more fun than nuttin at all
Jul 31 00:14:47 <SpeedEvil> You don't teach a pig to sing expecting it'll be a good singer.
Jul 31 00:14:48 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: true
Jul 31 00:15:03 <SpeedEvil> Just that with autotune, it'll go double-platinum.
Jul 31 00:15:19 <zeltak> hya guys..i have a question since i still very new. lets say i want to install a cli program that i use alot on my nix machine but its not on the repo..how does one do that..it has an ubuntu deb but i assume that wont work right?
Jul 31 00:15:28 <Ken-Young> crashanddie, THink of the satisfaction we'll have when we detect transiting planets around nearby stars with our N900s!
Jul 31 00:15:41 <jacekowski> you teach pig to sing, add autotune and you get singer that everybody likes
Jul 31 00:15:44 <crashanddie> sandbags to make the tripod hold well, remote control for the camera (admittedly, the n900 can help for that, for specific cameras), loads of coffee, lock-up the mirror and go for it
Jul 31 00:16:02 <SpeedEvil> zeltak: Is the deb for arm?
Jul 31 00:16:26 <zeltak> its deb. lets say i want to use ncdu
Jul 31 00:16:39 <achipa> crashanddie: with a large cam it's actually more difficult to do the stacking stuff... there is a reason why shooting planets with USB cams was a revolution a few years back
Jul 31 00:16:55 <zeltak> there are lots of cool cli apps i use daily that have debs..but i understand they wont work on maemo with a simple dpkg right?
Jul 31 00:17:07 <ShadowJK> zeltak, So there are different processor architechtures. There's x86, x86-64, PPC, ARM, Sparch, what have you....
Jul 31 00:17:07 <crashanddie> achipa: no the only reason is that USB cams don't die after 150k shutter actuations
Jul 31 00:17:16 <ShadowJK> Sparc*
Jul 31 00:17:35 <crashanddie> zeltak: the deb format can contain loads of different things (it's like a zip file, with a decent structure). It can contain binaries for anything ShadowJK cited.
Jul 31 00:17:55 <ShadowJK> Stuff compiled for Sparc wont work on PPC, stuff for x86 or x86-64 (your 32bit or 64bit PC) wont work on ARM
Jul 31 00:18:11 <luke-jr> *
Jul 31 00:18:34 <luke-jr> stuff for ARM works on my x86-64. the same principles could be applied in reverse
Jul 31 00:18:38 <ShadowJK> This is the biggest issue. Beyond that, there's the issue whether it's compatible with the other software present on the phone
Jul 31 00:18:41 <luke-jr> just need to setup qemu-user right
Jul 31 00:18:46 <crashanddie> luke-jr: please don't confuse people
Jul 31 00:18:48 <ShadowJK> sure, but it's a pain, and it's slow
Jul 31 00:19:10 <ShadowJK> and by slow I mean "wait half a day for it to respond"
Jul 31 00:19:11 <jacekowski> apple rosetta
Jul 31 00:19:12 <luke-jr> ShadowJK: for CLI apps?
Jul 31 00:19:14 <luke-jr> uh no
Jul 31 00:19:16 <zeltak> i think an vm for a curses progra mis an over kill isnt it :)?
Jul 31 00:19:20 <luke-jr> user-mode emulation isn't that slow
Jul 31 00:19:29 <jacekowski> luke-jr: cpu has to be emulated
Jul 31 00:19:34 <luke-jr> zeltak: qemu-user only emulates the CPU, not the whole machine
Jul 31 00:19:35 <jacekowski> JIT would be nice
Jul 31 00:19:36 <achipa> crashanddie: err.. no ? You can record a bazillion frames in video mode on a DSLR today, and still, the usb cams do better
Jul 31 00:19:40 <luke-jr> jacekowski: qemu is JIT
Jul 31 00:19:43 <ShadowJK> qemu does jit
Jul 31 00:19:47 <jacekowski> oO
Jul 31 00:19:49 <jacekowski> since when?
Jul 31 00:19:54 <ShadowJK> since forever?
Jul 31 00:20:07 <jacekowski> that's new for me
Jul 31 00:20:23 <achipa> crashanddie: you need video with SMALL pixels, as weird as it sounds
Jul 31 00:20:23 <luke-jr> that's the *point* of qemu
Jul 31 00:20:24 <crashanddie> achipa: i'd like to see that :)
Jul 31 00:20:33 <zeltak> so how difficult for a neewb would it be to set up then (is qemu the only option then for cli stuff?)
Jul 31 00:20:45 <luke-jr> zeltak: to my knowledge, nobody has actually setup qemu-user on N900
Jul 31 00:20:58 <zeltak> i see lol...so thats def not for me :)
Jul 31 00:21:10 <jacekowski> let me just build it
Jul 31 00:21:13 <jacekowski> and see how it works
Jul 31 00:21:25 <zeltak> a bit disappointing..i thought that at least terminal/ncurses apps would be easy to run on the terminal
Jul 31 00:21:30 <zeltak> jacekowski: cool thx
Jul 31 00:21:31 <ShadowJK> zeltak, the best option would be to recompile the app for N900
Jul 31 00:21:32 <crashanddie> achipa: my main point is that you can't put decent glass on a usb cam. You can on an SLR. As you said, recording the images isn't an issue, and diminishing sensor resolution isn't a problem either.
Jul 31 00:22:00 <ShadowJK> if it's open source it should be "trivial" to do in the SDK
Jul 31 00:22:07 <ShadowJK> Though getting the SDK installed is non-trivial :)
Jul 31 00:22:26 <zeltak> ShadowJK: i have done some recompiling under nix (not alot granted) is it similar? to you config, make, make install?
Jul 31 00:22:41 <achipa> crashanddie: glass on usb ? what glass ? :) anyway, I already mated my N900 with my Skywatcher ED and let me tell you, it does a very decent job
Jul 31 00:22:50 <ShadowJK> Well, once the SDK is installed and you figure out how to actually "go into" the SDK...
Jul 31 00:23:13 <ShadowJK> Mind quoting the full filename of the .deb you'd try install?
Jul 31 00:23:39 <DocScrutinizer> http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10035 to http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10046, all genuine PR1.2 with nightmode and several different whitebalance and exposure settings. Shot them the dumbass way, with one hand, standing (as worse as it gets)
Jul 31 00:23:44 <zeltak> hmmm sure i havent tried to install it yet but one sec
Jul 31 00:24:25 <achipa> crashanddie: though I'm not sure I understand the decent glass part - you're supposed to stick it to a telescope/eyepiece, and that part does the 'real work'
Jul 31 00:24:51 <crashanddie> achipa: not stacking, but a different kind of photography I'm quite into
Jul 31 00:24:54 <crashanddie> achipa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LsSPynV4dY&hd=1
Jul 31 00:25:04 <DocScrutinizer> moon always got a red phatom spot
Jul 31 00:25:35 <zeltak> ShadowJK: for example "ncdu" in the ubuntu repo is that what you mean in quoting?
Jul 31 00:25:56 <nox-> wow seems the n900's cam is not that bad... :)
Jul 31 00:25:57 <achipa> crashanddie: heh, timelapse, always fun
Jul 31 00:26:17 <crashanddie> achipa: that's one of the best TL videos around
Jul 31 00:26:23 <luke-jr> N900 strikes me as a "Jack of all trades" tool
Jul 31 00:26:25 <ShadowJK> zeltak, nope
Jul 31 00:26:50 <ShadowJK> zeltak, but if you've added repos, any repo with "x86", "i386", "x86-64", "amd64" in their name wont work
Jul 31 00:26:50 <luke-jr> low-end digital camera, low-end GPS, low-end FM radio, low-end phone, usable for light computing
Jul 31 00:27:07 <zeltak> another really cool program (that i reccomend to all of you is task warrir):http://taskwarrior.org/wiki/taskwarrior/Download
Jul 31 00:27:10 <luke-jr> great budget combination device
Jul 31 00:27:20 <zeltak> ShadowJK: nah i havnt added the repos of course..im not that new ..lol
Jul 31 00:27:33 <luke-jr> I would prefer a "Polymath" equivalent (excelling in all areas), but nobody makes that ☺
Jul 31 00:27:45 <ShadowJK> zeltak, have you checked out easy-debian?
Jul 31 00:27:54 <achipa> crashanddie: it's cool all right, no complaints here :)
Jul 31 00:27:55 <ShadowJK> It's a more user friendly way to run whatever is in debian
Jul 31 00:27:56 <zeltak> luke-jr: i find the camera spectaculr compared to ALL of my prev phones
Jul 31 00:28:24 <zeltak> easy debian seemed intimidating :)
Jul 31 00:29:13 <luke-jr> zeltak: N900 isn't a phone
Jul 31 00:29:16 <nox-> `ubuntu done right'? :)
Jul 31 00:29:27 <luke-jr> zeltak: I'm comparing it to *digital cameras* in that area ;)
Jul 31 00:29:35 <luke-jr> zeltak: there are plenty of 8 MP and 12 MP digicams
Jul 31 00:29:37 <luke-jr> and probably better
Jul 31 00:30:51 <zeltak> i see well compared to a dig.camera then maybe but u had a n97,htc 3gtouch etc..and they all sucked compared to the m900 camera
Jul 31 00:31:01 <luke-jr> so a Polymath device would have at least 12 MP back-camera, better phone (MMS, conference calls, etc), better GPS (offline routing, audible driving directions, locate food on the route, etc), and fully usable as a handheld computer (keyboard you can write code with)
Jul 31 00:31:05 <ShadowJK> megapixels doesn't make something better :-)
Jul 31 00:31:22 <ShadowJK> 12 megapixel cellphone sensor is about as good as a 2 megapixel DSLR sensor
Jul 31 00:31:23 <luke-jr> ShadowJK: I'm assuming the accompanying camera hw is on par w/ MP
Jul 31 00:31:32 <luke-jr> zeltak: N97, etc are phones
Jul 31 00:31:32 <achipa> crashanddie: the reason small-sensor cams are good for planet-style objects is that you're (as funny as it sounds) in effect shooting macro - and the N900 does pretty well in that department
Jul 31 00:31:35 <luke-jr> zeltak: N900 is not a phone
Jul 31 00:31:52 <Ken-Young> Yes it is.
Jul 31 00:32:13 <zeltak> isnt it..i could have sworn i purchsed a phone when i got it on ebay ;-)
Jul 31 00:32:26 <luke-jr> zeltak: eBay isn't strict on such marketting terms
Jul 31 00:32:36 <zeltak> but i see what u mean luke-jr it really is much more powerfull then a phone :)
Jul 31 00:32:42 <achipa> it's a medieval religion. you either die fighting for it or defending it, eh ? ;)
Jul 31 00:32:42 <Ken-Young> Enven Nokia calls it a phone in some contexts.
Jul 31 00:32:44 <luke-jr> especially since it doubles as a low-end phone as one of its funcitons
Jul 31 00:32:56 <zeltak> even steve jobs'es "SUPA-PHONES" ..lol
Jul 31 00:33:11 <achipa> HSUPA !
Jul 31 00:33:13 <luke-jr> N900 is as much a GPS as it is a phone ☺
Jul 31 00:33:35 <DocScrutinizer> afaik N95 and N900 share same 5MP camera module
Jul 31 00:33:36 <luke-jr> and digital camera, etc
Jul 31 00:33:40 <Ken-Young> Objects can belong to more than one class.
Jul 31 00:33:51 <DocScrutinizer> and pict quality is comparable
Jul 31 00:34:11 <jacekowski> hmm, it's building
Jul 31 00:34:18 <luke-jr> Ken-Young: nobody calls iBooks cameras, even though they have that function
Jul 31 00:34:20 <zeltak> jacekowski: cool :)
Jul 31 00:34:23 <luke-jr> er
Jul 31 00:34:25 <luke-jr> MacBook Pros
Jul 31 00:34:41 <jacekowski> hmm, static build is a no go
Jul 31 00:35:02 <achipa> DocScrutinizer: wha ? what do you mean same module ?
Jul 31 00:35:12 <SpeedEvil> The n900 camera is not 5 'real' megapixels - that is - it cannot resolve 5 actual megapixels.
Jul 31 00:35:17 <SpeedEvil> achipa: the plug-in camera
Jul 31 00:35:27 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: even if you change the camera mode to 5 MP?
Jul 31 00:35:30 <SpeedEvil> It has 5 million pixels.
Jul 31 00:35:50 <achipa> you mean the connector/layout surely, not the sensor ?
Jul 31 00:35:52 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: There are 5 million light sensors. The lens is too small physically to allow it to resolve 5MP
Jul 31 00:35:55 <DocScrutinizer> acidjazz: how many different interpretations of my sttaement do you have in mind?
Jul 31 00:36:16 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: lenses are optical. optics doesn't have a limit to resolution
Jul 31 00:36:23 <jacekowski> it does
Jul 31 00:36:31 <jacekowski> at that size everything get's fuzzy
Jul 31 00:36:52 <jacekowski> and you can't let enough light in
Jul 31 00:37:16 * achipa feels he got confused with acidjazz :)
Jul 31 00:37:25 <luke-jr> oh well
Jul 31 00:37:30 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: sure optics has limits, why do you think they use ultra hard UV for exposing the 35nm masks of chips?
Jul 31 00:37:32 <luke-jr> my 8 MP digital camera sits unused now
Jul 31 00:37:41 <luke-jr> becuase it doesn't apply GPS info to pictures
Jul 31 00:37:48 <luke-jr> and upload them to Facebook in a click
Jul 31 00:38:04 <DocScrutinizer> acidjazz: sorry, meant for achipa
Jul 31 00:38:40 <luke-jr> this jack-of-all-trades device excels in two things: diversity and integration ☺
Jul 31 00:38:40 <achipa> DocScrutinizer: it sounded like you wanted to say they share the same module, as in same sensor and all
Jul 31 00:38:52 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Jul 31 00:39:10 <DocScrutinizer> that's what I seem to remember
Jul 31 00:39:20 <SpeedEvil> achipa: there is a spare part list somewhere that lists a crossreference to a couple of phones.
Jul 31 00:39:32 <achipa> DocScrutinizer: the N900 has this et8k dynastron, and I'm pretty sure the N95 has a micron cmos sensor...
Jul 31 00:39:36 <SpeedEvil> achipa: As in the same exact part number fits different ponoes
Jul 31 00:39:52 <SpeedEvil> I don't think it was the n95 thogh
Jul 31 00:40:00 <DocScrutinizer> achipa: maybe I'm totally wrong, then nvm
Jul 31 00:40:31 <achipa> DocScrutinizer: google says Micron MT9P001 for N95 and AFAIK the dynastron is quite a bit newer
Jul 31 00:40:44 <achipa> (not that it matters)
Jul 31 00:41:00 <achipa> (as the pictures *are* comparable)
Jul 31 00:41:13 <jacekowski> at the moment we reached point where it's optic that's limiting phone cameras capabilities
Jul 31 00:41:16 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Camera_Sensor
Jul 31 00:41:37 <SpeedEvil> The camera is a 5MP imager, with a Dual LED flash. It is compatible with the N96, N85, N79 and N900
Jul 31 00:42:01 <SpeedEvil> Ah - though the ref I linked to for that is now down
Jul 31 00:42:33 <achipa> jacekowski: I though the biggest limit was the human factor, wanting to take photos in the worst possible conditions and applying the worst photography techniques
Jul 31 00:43:02 * DocScrutinizer mumbles N95, N96 all the same cr....
Jul 31 00:43:20 <achipa> let's see what the N8 can do :)
Jul 31 00:43:33 <DocScrutinizer> fsck N8
Jul 31 00:43:43 <achipa> (too bad we won't see hacks like the fcamera for it)
Jul 31 00:44:00 <DocScrutinizer> fsck N8's OS, to be specific
Jul 31 00:45:08 <DocScrutinizer> achipa: seen my links above? seems tha applies to all of them
Jul 31 00:45:30 <zeltak> so i think ill give up on installing cli apps myself..what curses/cli u guys are using and can recommend?
Jul 31 00:45:47 <DocScrutinizer> still I think it's *amazing* for a crappy little sensor in a phone
Jul 31 00:45:51 <luke-jr> zeltak: … you need to tell us what kind of app you want
Jul 31 00:46:20 <DocScrutinizer> that friggin thing has almost better nightview than my good eyes have
Jul 31 00:46:21 <achipa> DocScrutinizer: yeah, don't know about N96 and all, just did play a bit with the N95 and don't recall it be the same family...
Jul 31 00:46:47 <achipa> DocScrutinizer: almost ? it sure does better than MY eyes :)
Jul 31 00:47:04 <SpeedEvil> achipa: the n95 is not the same sensor - see the above list
Jul 31 00:47:13 <DocScrutinizer> well, I got exceptionally good eye vision
Jul 31 00:47:16 <SpeedEvil> Unfortunately I forgot to save a copy of the page
Jul 31 00:47:17 <achipa> SpeedEvil: yes, yes, we established that :)
Jul 31 00:47:21 <zeltak> well i would love a  good todo lsit (task warrior) that i could sync between the n900 and th pc?
Jul 31 00:47:27 <SpeedEvil> Ah - ok - sorry - I'm mostly asleep
Jul 31 00:47:45 <zeltak> thats a killer cli app
Jul 31 00:47:53 <achipa> DocScrutinizer: I have an exceptionally good vision, too, at least up to about 25cm from my face... :D :(
Jul 31 00:48:04 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Jul 31 00:48:18 <luke-jr> zeltak: sync what? with what program?
Jul 31 00:48:38 <DocScrutinizer> I need to hold N900 xchat at least at 60cm distance to read fuently, on a 11PT NOKIA font
Jul 31 00:49:01 <zeltak> luke-jr: a todo list (see http://taskwarrior.org/projects/show/taskwarrior/)
Jul 31 00:49:12 <achipa> SpeedEvil: I'm sleepy too, too much beer, and a will have to wait for 10 more minutes for IT crowd to start... prolly will fall asleep watching :)
Jul 31 00:49:22 <luke-jr> zeltak: oh, that's easy
Jul 31 00:49:25 <luke-jr> I just use nano :D
Jul 31 00:49:30 <luke-jr> and scp
Jul 31 00:49:45 <luke-jr> actually, I really use fish kioslave on my desktop
Jul 31 00:50:01 <zeltak> i see
Jul 31 00:50:33 <DocScrutinizer> anybody capable of playback http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10034 on desktop linux? how?
Jul 31 00:50:39 <zeltak> if one was to try to "compile" app for the cli is that difficult or pretty straightforward?
Jul 31 00:51:05 <achipa> DocScrutinizer: plays back for me...
Jul 31 00:51:16 <achipa> DocScrutinizer: flash 10 ?
Jul 31 00:51:18 <DocScrutinizer> browser? flash version?
Jul 31 00:51:40 <SpeedEvil> achipa: iplayer
Jul 31 00:51:59 <SpeedEvil> achipa: Oh
Jul 31 00:52:14 <SpeedEvil> achipa: I guess you're not actually in the UK on reflection of the current time.
Jul 31 00:52:30 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, when I try to "update to newest flash player" on FF, it tells me some rap about "already installed, but key doesn't match" or somesuch
Jul 31 00:52:49 <luke-jr> "Videos are unable to play. Either you have an older version of Adobe's Flash player, or javascript is turned off. Update to the latest Flash player."
Jul 31 00:52:50 <achipa> DocScrutinizer: ffox 3.6, flash 10.1
Jul 31 00:53:17 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: exactly
Jul 31 00:53:19 <achipa> DocScrutinizer: ubuntu 9.10...
Jul 31 00:53:22 <DocScrutinizer> update fails
Jul 31 00:53:47 <nox-> plays fine here on freebsd even
Jul 31 00:53:55 <achipa> I stocked up on 64bit flash 10.1 before they pulled it
Jul 31 00:54:17 <achipa> you do know that adobe pulled 64 flash 10.1 for linux ?
Jul 31 00:54:21 <DocScrutinizer> FF3.5.4
Jul 31 00:54:23 <nox-> you like security holes? :)
Jul 31 00:54:39 <luke-jr> stocked up? O.o
Jul 31 00:54:59 <nox-> (not that flash ever is/was secure...)
Jul 31 00:55:11 * luke-jr refuses to install Flash
Jul 31 00:55:33 <DocScrutinizer> adobe flash player yeah noversion-great-suckers
Jul 31 00:55:45 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: exactly
Jul 31 00:56:29 * nox- wouldnt use it without something like noscript either
Jul 31 00:57:44 * luke-jr doesn't use it period
Jul 31 00:57:48 <DocScrutinizer> http://get.adobe.com/de/flashplayer/thankyou/?installer=Flash_Player_10.1_for_Linux_%28.rpm%29  ->  barfs and fails
Jul 31 00:58:02 <achipa> luke-jr: installed/updated it and put aside a cache of .debs .rpms for case of reinstalls
Jul 31 00:58:20 <achipa> but they should be kicked in the nuts for their modus operandi
Jul 31 00:58:36 <nox-> i agree tho ovi.com should adopt <video> tags :)
Jul 31 00:58:47 <nox-> at least for the browsers that support it...
Jul 31 00:58:52 <luke-jr> wtf
Jul 31 00:58:57 <luke-jr> my N900 just made some laserbeam sound
Jul 31 00:59:02 <luke-jr> no visual clue wtf it means
Jul 31 00:59:13 <achipa> luke-jr: swapping while messaging, are we ? :)
Jul 31 00:59:15 <nox-> plugged charger in?
Jul 31 00:59:21 <luke-jr> nox-: like 30 mins ago
Jul 31 00:59:31 <luke-jr> achipa: N900 is always swapping ☹
Jul 31 01:00:33 <achipa> okay folks, showtime... 99
Jul 31 01:01:08 <DocScrutinizer> header V3 DSA signature: NOKEY f6777c67 package adobe-release-i386-1.0.1.noarch is already installed
Jul 31 01:01:33 <ShadowJK> laserbeam sound, "Charging" sound?
Jul 31 01:01:39 <luke-jr> maybe
Jul 31 01:01:39 <DocScrutinizer> thanks for the info
Jul 31 01:02:10 <ShadowJK> Though that typically activates screen in PR1.2, after displaying the banner first, before activating screen, of course
Jul 31 01:02:25 <ShadowJK> or activating,dimming screen, then displaying banner on dimmed screen
Jul 31 01:03:12 <luke-jr> mine remained off
Jul 31 01:03:15 <luke-jr> until I touched it
Jul 31 01:40:20 <JackBeSlow> So with the ovi store now open does that mean there are two separate stores with separate approval processes?
Jul 31 01:44:42 <joga> JackBeSlow, can you elaborate?
Jul 31 01:45:13 <JackBeSlow> Basically just wondering how people get apps into the ovi store.
Jul 31 01:45:14 <joga> what do you mean, "ovi store now open"?
Jul 31 01:45:19 <joga> ah.
Jul 31 01:45:25 <joga> sorry, I don't know about that
Jul 31 01:45:27 <JackBeSlow> I know the process for the normal repos.
Jul 31 01:45:51 <JackBeSlow> Also just wondering why anyone would chose to post a free app in ovi store over the normal repo.
Jul 31 01:46:18 <JackBeSlow> And by "now open" I mean for a while it couldn't be accessed on the n900 and there were no apps.
Jul 31 01:46:30 <joga> oh :)
Jul 31 01:56:45 <zeltak> wierd im issuing : apt-get install gcc g++ make binutils dpkg-dev less build-essential
Jul 31 01:57:03 <zeltak> but it says its not in the repos..
Jul 31 01:57:53 <SpeedEvil> you need the sdk repos installed for many of those
Jul 31 01:58:07 <zeltak> i see SpeedEvil
Jul 31 01:58:40 <zeltak> im trying to compile ncdu myslef as a test case..i hope im not jumping waaayy over my head :)
Jul 31 01:58:50 <SpeedEvil> what's ncdu
Jul 31 01:59:06 <zeltak> http://dev.yorhel.nl/ncdu
Jul 31 01:59:14 <zeltak> i small cool cli tool i like
Jul 31 01:59:59 <SpeedEvil> ah
Jul 31 02:00:02 <zeltak> where can i find info on the sdk repo?
Jul 31 02:00:21 <jacekowski> zeltak: read the manual
Jul 31 02:00:29 <jacekowski> zeltak: it's the same repo
Jul 31 02:00:30 <jacekowski> almost
Jul 31 02:00:40 <jacekowski> you need tools repo as well
Jul 31 02:00:42 <zeltak> ha? which manual?
Jul 31 02:00:51 <jacekowski> and sdk repo
Jul 31 02:00:53 <jacekowski> on wiki
Jul 31 02:01:08 <zeltak> oh ok there is an entry on the sdk repo
Jul 31 02:01:14 <jacekowski> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation
Jul 31 02:01:35 <zeltak> thx jacekowski
Jul 31 02:01:39 <SpeedEvil> deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk free non-free
Jul 31 02:01:54 <jacekowski> and you have to remember to disable vdso
Jul 31 02:02:03 <jacekowski> or you will have lot of random shit happen
Jul 31 02:02:08 <zeltak> yuyks
Jul 31 02:02:20 <SpeedEvil> I recommend copying / to /home/user/chroot or something - then doing build there
Jul 31 02:02:21 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: I managed to install that friggin flashplayer plugin 10.1, even works with sound now :-)
Jul 31 02:02:31 <jacekowski> oO
Jul 31 02:02:33 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: you mean the faked one
Jul 31 02:02:35 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: proper flash 10.1?
Jul 31 02:02:37 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: prolly you don't give a shit
Jul 31 02:02:39 <zeltak> whats vdso...do you think im way over my head (im a neewb at compiling etc..)
Jul 31 02:02:39 <jacekowski> for maemo?
Jul 31 02:02:53 <DocScrutinizer> on laptop!
Jul 31 02:02:56 <jacekowski> zeltak: that's virtual library provided by kernel
Jul 31 02:03:00 <zeltak> i never used chroot before
Jul 31 02:03:15 <DocScrutinizer> sorry for being fuzzy
Jul 31 02:03:48 <jacekowski> zeltak: that's selecting the best way of calling kernel functions
Jul 31 02:03:56 <jacekowski> zeltak: either using int 80 or sysenter/sysexit
Jul 31 02:04:34 <jacekowski> because transition between ring 0 and ring 3 are quite expensive operation if done using int 80
Jul 31 02:04:36 <DocScrutinizer> but actually it didn't come even with FF3.6.8 and wasn't installable via the bold "update flash NOW!" button in FF either
Jul 31 02:05:04 <zeltak> i see i think ill just leave compiling for right now sounds to complex at this stage of early maemo for me :) thx anyway guys
Jul 31 02:05:04 <jacekowski> and it's little bit better with sysenter/sysexit but not all cpu's support it
Jul 31 02:05:51 <jacekowski> because interrupts invalidate all cache lines and pretty much wipes all branch predictions
Jul 31 02:06:36 <jacekowski> which is quite amazing how much shit can one interrupt cause
Jul 31 02:06:48 <DocScrutinizer> (maemo) the funny thing is those .mp4 play as awful ugly quality on N900 microb as they are on desktop linux, but at least they play, while on desktop I had to update to flash10.1 to get playback
Jul 31 02:07:37 <DocScrutinizer> which was quite a PITA
Jul 31 02:09:27 <jacekowski> i'm not sure why, but flash 10 on android uses thumb and flash 9 on maemo uses ARM
Jul 31 02:11:44 <SpeedEvil> Wow - recent ncurses is huge
Jul 31 02:16:07 <SpeedEvil> oops - plug phone in before compiling
Jul 31 02:24:59 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: you ordered such a f-bus "cable" with acrylic clamp?
Jul 31 02:25:17 <jacekowski> no
Jul 31 02:25:20 <jacekowski> not yet
Jul 31 02:26:40 <DocScrutinizer> I'm really unsure about that resistor voodoo, but otherwise it looks rather decent
Jul 31 02:27:06 <jacekowski> i'm thinking about making similiar kind of cable/connector myself
Jul 31 02:27:23 <DocScrutinizer> wouldn't ponder to compete on that price tag
Jul 31 02:29:00 <DocScrutinizer> even building the clamp is worth >20 bucks, even if built from wood instead of acrylic
Jul 31 02:29:10 <DocScrutinizer> not to mention the pogopins
Jul 31 02:29:30 <SpeedEvil> pogopins are fairly cheap
Jul 31 02:29:39 <ZogG> damn noone on nitdroid chanel
Jul 31 02:29:43 <SpeedEvil> but, yes
Jul 31 02:29:43 <DocScrutinizer> well on the thousand yeah
Jul 31 02:29:48 <ZogG> is anyone here who tried it with multiboot?
Jul 31 02:29:56 <jacekowski> you keep forgotting one thing
Jul 31 02:30:08 <ZogG> cause i can't boot maemo there is only nitdroid in menu =))
Jul 31 02:30:13 <DocScrutinizer> as we say here: "you can't build it DIY for that price tag"
Jul 31 02:30:14 <jacekowski> i work in company where most of things i would need is just on shelf
Jul 31 02:30:22 <jacekowski> so i have it for free
Jul 31 02:30:36 <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/5-off-P50-Serrated-Head-80g-Spring-Test-Pin-Probe-/250273113542?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item3a4570a5c6
Jul 31 02:30:38 <jacekowski> it's only how i want to build it is a question
Jul 31 02:31:38 <jacekowski> because i'm thinking about something closer to connector that fits into that place
Jul 31 02:31:45 <jacekowski> and phone can be moved and used when it's connected
Jul 31 02:33:15 <DocScrutinizer> 5 items/lot = GBP 6.65 plus shipping. Mhm
Jul 31 02:33:45 <jacekowski> i would just need thick blank PCB
Jul 31 02:34:30 <DocScrutinizer> that's what? ~1.50 EUR per pin?
Jul 31 02:34:33 <jacekowski> something like 2-3 layers of typical FR-4 stacked together
Jul 31 02:34:40 <jacekowski> and then just pads
Jul 31 02:34:46 <jacekowski> with solder on them
Jul 31 02:34:51 <jacekowski> solder is soft enough
Jul 31 02:35:01 <DocScrutinizer> won't work
Jul 31 02:35:03 <jacekowski> so with bit of pressure it should connect on all pads
Jul 31 02:35:11 <DocScrutinizer> nope, won't
Jul 31 02:35:45 <SpeedEvil> Annoyingly,  when I was 13, I had around 200.
Jul 31 02:35:59 <SpeedEvil> They got misused though
Jul 31 02:36:53 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: you get away with non spring loaded single contacts to a max of 3 on one mount
Jul 31 02:37:26 <DocScrutinizer> for 4+ you need separate springs to level the distance diffs
Jul 31 02:37:51 <jacekowski> i could use plain lead solder
Jul 31 02:38:00 <jacekowski> and lead is really soft
Jul 31 02:38:06 <DocScrutinizer> won't work
Jul 31 02:38:13 <DocScrutinizer> no elasticity
Jul 31 02:39:01 <jacekowski> have you tried working on it
Jul 31 02:39:11 <DocScrutinizer> and lead is far less soft than you seem to think
Jul 31 02:39:15 <jacekowski> there are some pills for that kind of pessimistic mood
Jul 31 02:40:11 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: I tied such botch maybe 500 times in my life, gave me a good frustration and a realistic view on why they use pogopins and not anything else
Jul 31 02:40:24 <DocScrutinizer> tried*
Jul 31 02:40:41 <jacekowski> i could go to nokia care centre
Jul 31 02:40:49 <jacekowski> and ask them to sell me the jig
Jul 31 02:41:01 <DocScrutinizer> I did, they mustn't
Jul 31 02:41:16 <jacekowski> but you went to german centre
Jul 31 02:41:22 <jacekowski> they are all nazi there
Jul 31 02:41:22 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Jul 31 02:41:33 <DocScrutinizer> haha
Jul 31 02:41:43 <jacekowski> brits are much more helpful
Jul 31 02:41:55 <jacekowski> esspecialy if you use some papers with queen on them
Jul 31 02:42:03 <DocScrutinizer> maybe. Try your luck, then report back
Jul 31 02:42:34 <DocScrutinizer> maybe they sell FT-94 to you, for just 198GBP
Jul 31 02:43:38 <DocScrutinizer> regarding what hey ask for spare parts, I don't think tools are much cheaper
Jul 31 02:45:08 <DocScrutinizer> BL-5J was 50EUR in a regular shop selling Nokia
Jul 31 02:45:17 <DocScrutinizer> incredible
Jul 31 02:45:59 <jacekowski> tools may be cheap
Jul 31 02:46:15 <jacekowski> because they are supposed only to be sold to authorised shops and stuff
Jul 31 02:46:40 <DocScrutinizer> hmm. When you find out, tell us
Jul 31 02:52:38 <SpeedEvil> zeltak:
Jul 31 02:52:50 <SpeedEvil> zeltak: http://www.mauve.plus.com/ncdu
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