**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 31 02:59:57 2010 Jul 31 03:00:44 Just the binary Jul 31 03:07:15 DocScrutinizer: tell me when Flash supports Tonal… Jul 31 03:08:10 look at the specs of the formats. It does since flash6 Jul 31 03:08:17 wtf? srsly? Jul 31 03:09:48 flickr officially fails its advertisers… Jul 31 03:10:00 I was actually interested in clicking a link, but the idiots reloaded the ad Jul 31 03:10:38 (to a different ad) Jul 31 03:14:06 fail #2-- no transparency support Jul 31 04:34:50 when I alt+ number I go right to the phone dial pad... how can I do that with a shortcut on the desktop? Jul 31 05:35:31 anyone know a way of grabbing the url (.pls or otherwise) of streaming media so I can circumvent it opening in default player? Jul 31 06:23:51 hmm...Eldar continues leaking some amusing info Jul 31 06:24:04 Like always, it is not clear what part of it he has made up of course Jul 31 06:26:00 what did he leak now? Jul 31 06:31:08 Apparently, Nokia is placing its bets on S40 phones with touch screens Jul 31 06:33:27 + the usual crap about corpses firmly believing that their Ovi services are popular Jul 31 06:35:50 The guy has been shitting all over Nokia lately, so I am not sure what to believe though Jul 31 06:39:06 They do appear to prepare for a big announcement in September Jul 31 06:39:24 Whether it is Harmattan or just another Symbian phone is not said Jul 31 06:44:48 RST38h: sounds like he made it all up Jul 31 06:44:55 make up enough crap and you're bound to get something spot on Jul 31 06:45:01 not necessarily Jul 31 06:45:23 well, as long as your made-up stuff is based on informed guessing Jul 31 06:59:02 Hello all! Jul 31 07:00:36 RST38h: only popular service is ovi maps, anywhere but n900 Jul 31 07:00:37 :P Jul 31 07:12:00 Stskeeps: Exactly Jul 31 07:12:18 Stskeeps: But the corpses either ain't aware of this or refuse to believe it Jul 31 07:13:08 Stskeeps: So, their line is "we will sell a shitload of cheap, mediocre touch phones and make a fortune on Ovi services delivered through these phones" Jul 31 07:13:50 that part of Eldar's claim sounds true enough, at least. Jul 31 08:03:32 Is the ofono compiled for maemo suppose to be a bitch? Jul 31 08:09:41 luke-jr & RST38h: Eldar is a dickwad, an asswipe. The guy should've been sued to hell and back, it's amazing he's still allowed to cover them. Jul 31 08:32:39 crashanddie: calling someone a dickwad isn't exactly useful Jul 31 08:33:05 neither is what eldar has been doing for the past few years Jul 31 08:34:03 Well, it is useful for me, in terms of the entertainment value at least Jul 31 08:34:32 on n900 i'm trying to execute the microb browser from terminal Jul 31 08:34:38 # browser Jul 31 08:35:16 error: invalid string constant "osso-combobox-entry-arrow", expected valid string constant Jul 31 08:35:41 am i trying to execute it wrong? Jul 31 08:37:22 marginalMan: look in the .desktop file how it's started there Jul 31 08:37:40 same way... -it just says browser Jul 31 08:37:54 /usr/bin/browser Jul 31 08:40:05 google points to a dbus relative aproach... Jul 31 08:41:55 hmmm... strange, # browser --url=www.google.com seems to work Jul 31 08:43:23 try "browser --url=" Jul 31 08:43:30 without anything as url Jul 31 08:43:38 ok Jul 31 08:43:49 what does not work though is tsocks browser Jul 31 08:43:56 tsocks fennec works fine... Jul 31 08:45:04 because real browser process is called browserd Jul 31 08:45:12 and it's running all the time waiting in background Jul 31 08:45:18 untill it's called Jul 31 08:45:47 i see Jul 31 08:46:03 any suggestions on how to get it to work with tsocks whn needed? Jul 31 08:47:20 marginalMan: you may want to be a tad more specific Jul 31 08:47:43 he probably wants it to go trough TOR Jul 31 08:47:50 because he want's to watch CP Jul 31 08:47:50 no... not tor Jul 31 08:47:56 works fine through tor Jul 31 08:47:56 wants* Jul 31 08:48:18 so why do you want it to go trough tsocks? Jul 31 08:48:19 trying to get it to browse through an ssh conn Jul 31 08:48:34 tsocks? Jul 31 08:48:37 for ssh? Jul 31 08:49:01 yes... ssh -D then tsocks in another terminal Jul 31 08:49:07 do you know that all you have to do it add socks_proxy=...... Jul 31 08:49:15 in script starting browserd Jul 31 08:49:46 jacekowski, CP isnt the only thing on Tor you know :\ Jul 31 08:49:59 i was hosting TOR exit node for a quite a while Jul 31 08:50:03 and it is the only thing Jul 31 08:50:04 why do i want it to go through tsocks... -im new to linux, -trying to make sense of it Jul 31 08:50:15 CP? Jul 31 08:50:26 child pornography Jul 31 08:50:32 hahaHA Jul 31 08:50:32 Hahahahaha Jul 31 08:50:48 I can't believe that was the first thing I saw Jul 31 08:51:01 Why would children want pornography? Jul 31 08:51:07 Gadgetoid_iPad: it'll only get worse Jul 31 08:51:15 Gadgetoid_iPad: they're not the audience, they're the subject. Jul 31 08:51:22 jacekowski: Probably! Jul 31 08:51:40 crashanddie: You mean stickam? Jul 31 08:51:48 no Jul 31 08:51:48 basicaly there are no legitimate uses of tor at the moment Jul 31 08:51:56 it's either cp, trolling, general abuse Jul 31 08:52:02 Unfortunately spending enough time on /b/ you get exposed to everything Jul 31 08:52:09 Gadgetoid_iPad: imagine between 6 and 12 year olds getting raped? THat's CP. Jul 31 08:52:21 lot of traffic was people trying to circumwent limits on rapidshare and similiar sites Jul 31 08:52:51 crashanddie: That sounds like a typical night out in Norwich... Jul 31 08:53:39 jacekowski, have you visited the hidden wiki? Last i saw there was all different things. Like IRC servers, general websites. Jul 31 08:53:43 nope, there it's brothers and sisters... "Your sister is your mother, your father is your brother, we all fuck one another, the Norwich Family" (on the tune of the Adam's family) Jul 31 08:53:57 Add a bit of phone booth vandalising and vomiting on the sidewalk... National past-time Jul 31 08:54:35 TermanaN900: i've hosted exit node Jul 31 08:54:57 jacekowski, i know, i can read :P Jul 31 08:55:58 Hmm...iPad crashtastic! Jul 31 08:57:06 Aha, arrived at destination! Got a bloody wedding to attend... Ugh... Church ceremonies are tragic Jul 31 08:57:13 All this talk of CP has made the FBI interfer with Gadgetoid_iPad's connection! Jul 31 08:57:30 Good luck to them! I am on the move Jul 31 08:57:43 Gadgetoid_iPad, wait, are you actually ON an ipad? Jul 31 08:58:02 he probably just ran another app Jul 31 08:58:03 TermanaN900: Yup Jul 31 08:58:06 so he head to close irc Jul 31 08:58:07 TRAITOR! Jul 31 08:58:18 No, it actually crashed! Jul 31 08:58:19 because there is no multitasking on ipad Jul 31 08:58:21 jacekowski, lmao Jul 31 08:58:36 I sold my n900 and bought the Iphone 4 :D Jul 31 08:59:10 Gadgetoid_iPad, I dont even... Jul 31 08:59:34 sir, i have to ask you to leave the internet, you are just too stupid Jul 31 08:59:37 Muwahaha...hahaha mwagaha Jul 31 09:00:03 and take your FAIL with you Jul 31 09:00:07 I figured my pandora might turn up sometime this year, rendering my n900 obsolete Jul 31 09:00:45 Looking like next year now, ugh Jul 31 09:01:42 Riighht unloading the car Jul 31 09:03:13 Gadgetoid_iPad, do you have some sort of dorky Stephen Hawking type thimg that attaches to you and holds your ipad in front of you? Jul 31 09:03:29 Can you also control it by twitching your lip? Jul 31 09:04:07 ok... back Jul 31 09:04:20 socks_proxy= Jul 31 09:04:20 Too bad it has no front facing camera. Im sure we could do that with the n900 Jul 31 09:04:29 probably does.. as a typical iproblematic lover Jul 31 09:04:35 i dont know about this Jul 31 09:04:54 can u point me to a link or give me some info on how i could set this up jacekowski Jul 31 09:05:16 don't worry he'll be holding his breath and be the first in queue for the next ipad2.0.. he can't get enough of his sickening dosage and ranting about it in here :) Jul 31 09:08:46 Ohai Jul 31 09:09:15 TermanaN900: No, I levitate it using the force Jul 31 09:10:55 [6~~ Jul 31 09:11:29 using Apple's patented marketing vapors, no doubt Jul 31 09:13:27 iPad my bra Jul 31 09:13:46 Starcraft II time! Jul 31 09:17:32 starcraft on ipad would make me go and *buy* one right now Jul 31 09:21:29 marginalMan: http://www.google.com Jul 31 09:22:25 on it...trying it... socks_proxy= ... ... ... lotta pages bout nothing Jul 31 09:23:05 hmm, 1st result on my google Jul 31 09:24:31 does not tell me how it applies to browserd Jul 31 09:24:46 jacekowski, ever started on the flash lib? Jul 31 09:24:53 it's to different Jul 31 09:25:21 I wonder how the frash team got it working on the iPad Jul 31 09:25:25 android flash uses thumb while maemo flash uses ARM Jul 31 09:25:30 wrapper Jul 31 09:25:45 but android is closer to iOS in that matter Jul 31 09:25:50 i could get it working same way Jul 31 09:26:05 but? Jul 31 09:26:08 but it would be probably faster to run emulated x86 version Jul 31 09:26:40 Hahah Jul 31 09:26:42 and if you use a kernel with thumb enabled? Jul 31 09:26:45 * marginalMan tries about:config Jul 31 09:26:55 it's about switching between modes as well Jul 31 09:27:21 about:config is the awesome. Jul 31 09:27:36 but transplanting pieces of thumb code into ARM code Jul 31 09:27:38 Setup an ssh socks 5 proxy with it :) Jul 31 09:28:16 MeeGo will use ARM right? Jul 31 09:28:30 If only I could write some kind of easy to use extension to do it automatically. Jul 31 09:28:46 it's about amount of work and results i would get Jul 31 09:28:56 Just need to twiddle one field. Can you access mozilla config from the command line? Jul 31 09:29:24 prefs.js is where the configs are stored afaik Jul 31 09:29:30 that's in ~/.mozilla Jul 31 09:29:34 Cool Jul 31 09:29:39 ~/.mozilla/firefox Jul 31 09:29:40 just edit prefs.js in the profile Jul 31 09:29:41 I don't think Meego will be using arm, the initial testing phase will be done on armel but it will probably feature intel embedded cpu Jul 31 09:29:42 or microb Jul 31 09:30:00 I could use Qt's js parser for that I think :) Jul 31 09:31:04 if both an http_proxy and a socks_proxy are specified... -how do i tell the browser to use the socks? Jul 31 09:31:05 Though would be nice to be able to do it at run time :/ Jul 31 09:31:25 marginalMan: there's a value that selects between them. Jul 31 09:31:26 i want to nest proxies! Jul 31 09:31:29 i see that the tor app on the n900 has predefined ssl_proxy http_proxy settings Jul 31 09:31:52 the value... network.proxy.type? Jul 31 09:31:55 network.proxy.type = 1 is socks Jul 31 09:31:59 yea Jul 31 09:32:06 ok... lets see Jul 31 09:32:10 don't know about the rest, test in firefox. Jul 31 09:32:58 trying in the native n900 browser, -but based on ff, so should work... Jul 31 09:33:33 Yeah, that's how I did it all Jul 31 09:33:57 MohammadAG: i was thinking about porting frash to maemo just as PoC but it's not going to be amazing Jul 31 09:34:43 jacekowski, do it Jul 31 09:35:47 everything starts with a PoC anyways Jul 31 09:35:53 I wonder if I can write a javascript-let to do the edit .. Jul 31 09:35:56 hmmm... claims tht its refusing connections Jul 31 09:36:02 but ssh is up... Jul 31 09:36:40 ssh confuses me sometimes Jul 31 09:37:00 alterego... -u sure that 1 is for socks? Jul 31 09:37:04 I can't ssh into my laptop, but openssh-server is always installed and 22 is open Jul 31 09:37:10 port 22* Jul 31 09:37:15 marginalMan: I'll check hang on Jul 31 09:38:17 hatake_kakashi: ARM is a first-class architecture in meego. Jul 31 09:39:00 Stskeeps, interesting, so Meego will still play a part in n900's upgrades? aka Maemo6? Jul 31 09:39:06 marginalMan: yup, certain, I'll post my config hangon Jul 31 09:40:47 definitely sure my ssh is up and accepting, going the tsocks fennec route works fine... Jul 31 09:41:04 just does not seem to work for the default browser Jul 31 09:41:57 marginalMan: http://alterego.metapath.org/Screenshot-20100731-103931.png Jul 31 09:43:08 alterego: protip: toggle socks_remote_dns Jul 31 09:43:10 My ssh: ssh -t -D 8080 user@host screen -D -RR Jul 31 09:43:18 zash: I know :P Jul 31 09:43:24 :) Jul 31 09:43:30 zash: but privacy isn't why I'm using it Jul 31 09:43:54 I've done it anyway. Jul 31 09:44:02 yup... got it set up the same Jul 31 09:44:03 As sometime it might be :) Jul 31 09:44:18 i see u dont hav anything specified for http_proxy Jul 31 09:44:22 Interesting Jul 31 09:44:28 i do... -tht is the only difference Jul 31 09:44:45 anyone know how to see how many times a package has been downloaded from extras-devel repo? Jul 31 09:45:05 http://maemo.org/packages/view/dropn900/ Jul 31 09:45:11 cant see it here at least Jul 31 09:45:17 Oh, I've got an idea, a local http server that can work as the proxy auto config url. Jul 31 09:45:40 Pforce: not from devel, no, or testing for that matter. Jul 31 09:45:42 the way its refusing con i'm thinking that a setting of 1 is trying to get through on http... Jul 31 09:45:56 alterego: extras then? Jul 31 09:46:10 when i get my app a bit more complete i will put it to testing Jul 31 09:46:18 Pforce: in extras it's on you packages download page on maemo.org Jul 31 09:46:43 Pforce: but that page only gets created when you app reaches extras Jul 31 09:47:24 alterego... -just blankd out the http_proxy and ssl_proxy addy... -now it works Jul 31 09:47:34 ahaa alterego thanks Jul 31 09:47:55 anyone know how to see how many times a package has been downloaded from extras-devel repo? <<< no one know Jul 31 09:48:05 but create your own repository : Jul 31 09:48:06 :) Jul 31 09:48:10 :D Jul 31 09:48:20 marginalMan: probably .type needs to be 3 or something like that, did you test the setup on you desktop with an identical setup? Jul 31 09:48:44 im just qurious how many have gotten my app... but where is Khertan nick familiar Jul 31 09:48:52 umm py2dep? :) Jul 31 09:48:56 :) Jul 31 09:49:07 py2deb ... or pypackager Jul 31 09:49:14 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58882 Jul 31 09:49:25 packaged all my python deps and the program itself with your thing :) Jul 31 09:49:34 or the guy which didn't like maemo fremantle extras repository and there qa testing rule Jul 31 09:49:48 great ... so i'm not the only one to use it :) Jul 31 09:50:12 very useful, as I didnt know anything about debian packaging before Jul 31 09:50:13 hum ... dropbox client ... i ve tried it yesterday :) Jul 31 09:50:21 heh, thats me yeh Jul 31 09:50:27 Pforce, i didn't know anything before creating too :) Jul 31 09:50:31 hatake_kakashi: maemo6 isn't 'real meego' Jul 31 09:51:12 Pforce, i just see that the suggest field in last version of pypackager isn't working as it should Jul 31 09:51:54 Khertan: btw question: have you seen this with py2deb: when i have used it and now open up terminal there is a py2deb "screenshot" on the loading phase Jul 31 09:51:57 its weird Jul 31 09:52:11 like there was something left into some init draw buffer Jul 31 09:52:32 its a "shot" of one of the automatically opened new terminal windows Jul 31 09:52:43 cosmetic thing i dont mind :D Jul 31 09:53:13 Khertan: i use py2deb presently, does pypackager now make things so they can be uploaded with the web interface? Jul 31 09:53:31 i tried pypackager and the web uploading refused the changes file Jul 31 09:53:41 how really ? Jul 31 09:54:09 then i read from wiki that i have to use py2deb to upload to extras-* Jul 31 09:54:27 wiki isn't up to date Jul 31 09:54:54 and after fighting hour to recover my login / pass from maemo wiki Jul 31 09:55:02 i decide to not update the wiki Jul 31 09:55:03 :) Jul 31 09:55:23 alright Jul 31 09:55:30 Pforce, http://khertan.net/pypackager_howto Jul 31 09:55:31 :) Jul 31 09:55:49 have you seen this with py2deb: when i have used it and now open up terminal there is a py2deb "screenshot" on the loading phas <<< Jul 31 09:56:01 nope but i see something similar with an other things and xterm Jul 31 09:56:11 xterm doesn't load really fast Jul 31 09:56:19 right Jul 31 09:56:23 in fact the first time you run it Jul 31 09:56:35 it take an screenshot Jul 31 09:56:46 just after the init Jul 31 09:56:57 and use this screenshot everytime you load it Jul 31 09:57:25 so if the first time you run it , xterm is called with argument :) Jul 31 09:57:40 it s just didn't work as it should Jul 31 09:58:21 lol Jul 31 09:58:48 i guess screeshot is better than window that seems it hanged Jul 31 09:59:47 i was suprised that even reboot did not reset that Jul 31 10:00:43 Even bettwer when you run the indication hint on thw window :P Jul 31 10:00:54 Khertan: how can i get stuff to show in the app managers details tab, is it possible with py2deb? Jul 31 10:01:13 i use the changelog and it works, but that text does not go there Jul 31 10:02:10 good question ... Jul 31 10:02:52 i must go on right now ... but can you send me an email about ... i ll try to look why later today or tomorrow Jul 31 10:03:05 oh its not that important :) Jul 31 10:03:05 khertan @ khertan.net Jul 31 10:03:06 :) Jul 31 10:03:18 works well like this! Jul 31 10:03:22 :) Jul 31 10:03:25 bye all :) Jul 31 10:03:48 to be honest i never use HAM ... i prefer using xterm and apt :) Jul 31 10:04:27 yeah, would be nice when i push updates for people to see changelog directly when they update via app manager Jul 31 10:04:37 now they have to go to forums :) Jul 31 10:04:58 cool, qwerty12 found a way to disable the cam from opening with the shutter Jul 31 10:08:47 bonus point for having a daemon not running Jul 31 10:08:58 * RST38h wonders if qwerty12 is going to return to irc Jul 31 10:09:28 * MohammadAG hopes so Jul 31 10:09:32 I kinda doubt it though Jul 31 10:15:40 Yeah, I miss qwerty Jul 31 10:15:55 Though I have no idea why he left .. Jul 31 10:15:59 No, he won't come back Jul 31 10:16:10 They always come back. Jul 31 10:16:26 too busy with college and getting to know girls Jul 31 10:16:32 Heh Jul 31 10:16:38 once he's educated and married, he'll be back Jul 31 10:16:39 :P Jul 31 10:16:50 lmao, qwerty and girls :D Jul 31 10:16:54 Stskeeps: have you mate q? Jul 31 10:17:02 er, have you met qwerty? Jul 31 10:18:05 no, havent had the pleausre Jul 31 10:18:20 Any news about the Dublin summit? Jul 31 10:18:40 anybody from greece here? Jul 31 10:19:12 is it viable place to go on holiday now? Jul 31 10:19:56 jacekowski: you're polish, any place on earth is a viable holiday for you. Jul 31 10:20:24 Heh Jul 31 10:20:38 * RST38h whispers: Albania. Jul 31 10:21:04 but i'm talking about recent events in greece Jul 31 10:21:20 alterego, when's that? Jul 31 10:21:27 jacekowski: Nothing to worry about, get a baseball bat with you Jul 31 10:21:54 i'm not going to accept any info from somebody who doesn't live there Jul 31 10:22:02 15-17th of November apparently, thought it was closer. Jul 31 10:22:08 and got his information from interwebs or tv Jul 31 10:22:28 Your query is likely to return an empty set then. Jul 31 10:22:41 MohammadAG: in Dublin Jul 31 10:23:10 alterego, when = time, where = place Jul 31 10:23:20 I asked when the summit was :P Jul 31 10:23:40 < alterego> 15-17th of November apparently, thought it was closer. Jul 31 10:23:43 MohammadAG: I said, just didn't address you directly, 15th-17th Nov Jul 31 10:23:47 MohammadAG: you idiot :P Jul 31 10:24:12 alterego: why is it in Dublin? Jul 31 10:24:16 crashanddie, I tend to ignore anything that's not in red :P Jul 31 10:24:18 alterego: I wanted London :( Jul 31 10:24:25 I wanted Israel Jul 31 10:24:33 MohammadAG: we want to live Jul 31 10:24:34 X-Fade/anyone else: is there a "get me some info on everyone" machine-readable variant of http://maemo.org/profile/list Jul 31 10:24:35 crashanddie: there's the Nokia developer summit in London, I might head to that. Jul 31 10:24:46 crashanddie, oh you'll live alright XD Jul 31 10:24:50 MohammadAG: though, throwing n900s at tanks might be a new idea Jul 31 10:24:55 alterego: Pricey Jul 31 10:25:07 Jaffa: how much is it? If it's too much I wont go :) Jul 31 10:25:15 Or I might try and gatecrash, muahaha Jul 31 10:25:18 crashanddie, I'd try that, lemme pm you my addy so you could send me your N900 Jul 31 10:25:22 Or get Nokia to pay .. Jul 31 10:25:38 gatecrashing works nice Jul 31 10:26:00 just show up with a clipboard, walky talky, and look annoyed at anyone who stops you Jul 31 10:26:00 alterego: There was 150eur *discount* until recently. So I think it's about 6/700EUR Jul 31 10:26:15 Jaffa: wow, I probably wont pay for that then ... :D Jul 31 10:26:22 * alterego sends an email to nokia Jul 31 10:26:23 how much is the summit? Jul 31 10:26:27 free Jul 31 10:26:40 * Jaffa got an email for a limited number of free places, but it went in the spam folder :( Jul 31 10:26:54 MohammadAG: free, except for flights and accomodation, the event is free though I believe. Jul 31 10:27:00 Jaffa: :( Jul 31 10:27:13 Jaffa: any chance of you getting them to send me one? ;) Jul 31 10:27:25 crashanddie: MohammadAG: there's talk of a nominal charge to discourage ppl just turning up for a freebie, or registering and not turning up. Jul 31 10:27:27 alterego: I assume the offer expired Jul 31 10:27:39 Jaffa: fair enough Jul 31 10:27:41 alterego: By the time I checked it, offer was used up. Jul 31 10:27:41 I doubt there'd be many Maemo-ers there though Jul 31 10:27:43 Jaffa, that's understandable Jul 31 10:27:48 Jaffa: oh :( Jul 31 10:27:51 i want freebies! Jul 31 10:27:57 Jaffa: how much? 50 quid? Jul 31 10:28:01 so the summit's turning non-free? Jul 31 10:28:02 I just want a reason to go some where :D Jul 31 10:28:02 :P Jul 31 10:28:16 Jaffa: slapcat Jul 31 10:28:25 MohammadAG: frankly, with all the parties, drinks and food that is provided, any fee is cheap Jul 31 10:28:34 I just want crashanddie to meet me, and my axe Jul 31 10:28:42 Anyone have any experience with YUV decoding in a fragment shader of a GL program? Jul 31 10:28:45 crashanddie: That was the upper bound of the amount suggested on meego-community, IIRC. Not sure there was a conclusion Jul 31 10:29:00 Jaffa: oh, this is happening on meego-community? Jul 31 10:29:03 lbt: the slightly less poular Thundercat? Jul 31 10:29:03 I've got texture uploading and displaying on a GL polygon, but my image is kind of screwy. Jul 31 10:29:06 I unsubscribed of everything meego Jul 31 10:29:16 crashanddie: A few mails a few weeks ago. Jul 31 10:29:19 no maemo events? Jul 31 10:29:39 crashanddie: There is no Maemo event being paid for by Nokia this ar. Jul 31 10:29:48 s/ar/year/ Jul 31 10:29:49 Jaffa meant: crashanddie: There is no Maemo event being paid for by Nokia this year. Jul 31 10:29:58 Anyhow, I need a shower, bbiab Jul 31 10:30:09 kvm usertools blow Jul 31 10:30:18 Jaffa: figured as much, if it was being discussed on meego-c Jul 31 10:30:18 There is no Maemo any more, either Jul 31 10:30:37 Jaffa: so who's funding it? Nokia and Intel? Jul 31 10:30:45 that's kinda sad tbh Jul 31 10:30:51 I expected one more maemo event :( Jul 31 10:30:55 crashanddie: Correct Jul 31 10:31:02 crashanddie: AIUI Jul 31 10:31:04 well, I wouldn't have minded a "goodbye maemo" event Jul 31 10:31:10 :/ Jul 31 10:31:25 Well you will get your shot in the shape of Meego Jul 31 10:31:32 nha, not what I mean Jul 31 10:32:08 Jaffa: you don't fancy setting up a london (or somewhere else in the UK, near an airport) event for the "old crew"? Jul 31 10:32:19 meh... it's like saying goodbye to marathon and hello snickers Jul 31 10:32:23 Maybe I am missing something important, but so far Nokia is the only company trying to do Meego on a non-Intel hardware Jul 31 10:32:40 crashanddie: Was tempted Jul 31 10:33:09 So, the result will be Maemo rather than Meego ;) Jul 31 10:33:10 lbt: More like "goodbye fruit & nut, hello dairy milk" ;-) Jul 31 10:33:32 having seen some of the characters I may be tempted to invert that ;) Jul 31 10:33:57 has anyone run that meego with the simple ui in your n900? Jul 31 10:33:59 Jaffa: do you want me to make you an easily interpreted list for the maemo users? Jul 31 10:34:19 lbt: true :) Jul 31 10:34:29 crashanddie: ? Jul 31 10:34:44 Jaffa: the maemo user list, you want something machine readable Jul 31 10:35:37 crashanddie: Oh, please. Saves me a job: something that's repeatable, parseable and contains nick, realname, avatar URL and associated websites Jul 31 10:35:52 crashanddie: Then I can write a maemo.org plugin for Herme Jul 31 10:35:56 +s Jul 31 10:36:19 Jaffa == creator of hermes? Jul 31 10:36:27 Jaffa: will do Jul 31 10:36:32 going to play with the parrot for a bit Jul 31 10:36:33 bbl Jul 31 10:36:36 Pforce: correct Jul 31 10:36:58 Jaffa: wonderful app, love it :) Jul 31 10:37:29 linked in was a nice addition Jul 31 10:37:44 Pforce: thanks :) Jul 31 10:39:07 any plans to add some kind of nick to name list Jul 31 10:39:51 i mean if my contacts have "dad" and i want it to searched from the web with the name "John Doe" Jul 31 10:40:05 i know there is nick field in the contacts for those things Jul 31 10:40:23 Pforce: It uses the name and nicknames fields from the contacts. Jul 31 10:40:58 right, so if i define name as "Dad" and nickname as "John Doe" would that work? :) Jul 31 10:41:25 i mean if i set real name to first/last and nick to nickname, contacts still just shows me first/last Jul 31 10:41:31 Pforce: Should do, and same other way round. Jul 31 10:41:35 setting the nick thing in the settings didnt help much either Jul 31 10:41:46 Jaffa: nice Jul 31 10:41:50 have to try that Jul 31 10:42:01 Pforce: Yeah, contacts only shows fir+t/last namevariations Jul 31 10:42:23 i just dont get my sisters pics etc as they just have nick names in name field :P Jul 31 10:42:44 but thats a good workaround to put real name to nickname :D kind of scwered up Jul 31 10:49:02 when a shell doesn't spawn over ssh, what would the reason be? Jul 31 10:53:06 ah fuck it Jul 31 10:53:35 MohammadAG, you have to shoot it Jul 31 10:53:39 then it spawns Jul 31 10:53:47 TermanaN900, stop wasting my CPU cycles Jul 31 10:53:49 :P Jul 31 10:53:53 :P Jul 31 10:54:48 MohammadAG: here? Jul 31 10:54:56 yea Jul 31 10:55:11 is it you who fixed hildon-desktop? Jul 31 10:55:15 i mean glitches Jul 31 10:55:31 no, I only backported the fix Jul 31 10:55:39 Ah.. Jul 31 10:55:48 seems like don't work for me :( Jul 31 10:56:00 hmm? Jul 31 10:56:14 Just saw "interface rebulding" Jul 31 10:57:04 hmm, sec Jul 31 10:57:06 bug 173240 Jul 31 10:57:07 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=173240 was not found. Jul 31 10:57:11 bah Jul 31 10:57:31 see http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/commits/for_2.2.140 Jul 31 10:58:48 also see bug 10613 Jul 31 10:58:49 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10613 screen glitches on incoming call Jul 31 10:59:36 MohammadAG: yes, i saw bug and get .deb from it Jul 31 11:00:35 sure you installed it? Jul 31 11:00:48 I'd reopen the bug, but my backport isn't an official fix Jul 31 11:03:38 hmmm... Jul 31 11:04:24 network.proxy.type... Jul 31 11:04:27 * marginalMan shakes his head Jul 31 11:04:33 hmm. I rebooted. seems like gone Jul 31 11:06:54 alterego... http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.proxy.type Jul 31 11:07:41 looks like [1] is all there is and its order of precidence has http_proxy set above socks Jul 31 11:08:26 Is there a packaging team ? Jul 31 11:08:52 ? Jul 31 11:10:21 MohammadAG: I m searching guys who want to package my app Jul 31 11:11:13 so... either gonna clear out http/ssl proxy settings fo it to use socks, -or use tsocks with default browser Jul 31 11:12:07 using n900s default browser with socks... -anybody got any ideas? Jul 31 11:12:47 Jaffa: XML ok, or CSV? Jul 31 11:13:02 marginalMan: look into generating your own .pac files and using auto configuration url Jul 31 11:13:24 I just use socks, so it works fine for me .. Jul 31 11:13:47 If I wanted to do something more dynamic, I think generating a pac dynamically from a python http server running on the device would be quite neat. Jul 31 11:14:03 hmmm... Jul 31 11:14:10 will look into it Jul 31 11:15:31 looking to get browser/browserd to run through tsocks i think is the simplest aproach Jul 31 11:15:39 cant find anything on getting this done though Jul 31 11:16:26 DrIDK, which app? Jul 31 11:17:02 crashanddie: either fine. Jul 31 11:17:10 MohammadAG: vlc remote Jul 31 11:17:37 MohammadAG: I just want to upload on extra devel... Jul 31 11:18:09 MohammadAG: after many test... I always get a FAILURE message... :( Jul 31 11:18:37 MohammadAG: this application works pretty nice, that's why I want to share with you Jul 31 11:18:48 marginalMan: well, the .pac files doesn't have to be from a http server, it can just be a file:/// uri on your filesystem. Jul 31 11:20:06 heh, -i'm real fresh at this... -still looking pac files up Jul 31 11:21:12 hm, why usb0 is not automatically up? Jul 31 11:21:41 marginalMan: well, basically they're just javascript files. Jul 31 11:21:47 hola! Jul 31 11:22:01 That return strings describing the proxy configuration per URL or network or whatever. Jul 31 11:22:03 i search for jre for maemo (1.2), n900 Jul 31 11:22:05 Pretty cool really. Jul 31 11:22:14 but i cant find this. Jul 31 11:22:22 can anyone help me? please Jul 31 11:22:45 ThoMe: have you searched the forums, someone was working on a build at some point. Jul 31 11:22:55 Otherwise, download scratchbox and build it yourself? :) Jul 31 11:22:59 ThoMe: Icedtea is packaged Jul 31 11:23:15 in extras-devel Jul 31 11:23:16 rmrfchik: from sun? Jul 31 11:23:30 Nokia-N900:~# apt-cache search Icedtea Jul 31 11:23:31 icedtea6 - The icedtea6 version of the OpenJDK(TM) Jul 31 11:23:31 Nokia-N900:~# Jul 31 11:23:32 this? Jul 31 11:23:34 ThoMe: you mean Cisco, and it's based on the Cisco Java source tree yes. Jul 31 11:23:36 yes Jul 31 11:24:06 alterego: merci! Jul 31 11:24:10 rmrfchik: thanx! :-) Jul 31 11:25:20 and a next and last question: Jul 31 11:25:30 is it posible to use ipsec with maemo? Jul 31 11:25:35 strongswan or ...? Jul 31 11:25:57 openvpn yes, but ipsec? Jul 31 11:26:15 I thought openvpn did ipsec? Jul 31 11:26:22 nope Jul 31 11:27:25 Oh well Jul 31 11:28:27 openvpn only does openvpn Jul 31 11:30:09 I bet that live wallpaper is a battery suck. . Jul 31 11:32:45 no doubt Jul 31 11:33:54 Looks neat though Jul 31 11:34:33 useless gimmick, I am afraid Jul 31 11:34:56 the most useful thing for n900 that I have found lately is the Grilo MAFW plugin Jul 31 11:35:08 Finally lets you browse the file system in the media player Jul 31 11:35:15 Cool Jul 31 11:36:52 huh Jul 31 11:38:34 apt-get install grilo-0.1-plugins> Jul 31 11:38:37 apt-get install grilo-0.1-plugins? Jul 31 11:39:25 hehe Jul 31 11:39:27 a moment Jul 31 11:40:08 rmrfchik: yes, that should work Jul 31 11:40:57 thanks Jul 31 11:43:39 hmm... can't find folders in Media Player Jul 31 11:48:35 rmrfchik: clic in menu, then “plugins” Jul 31 11:48:39 s/clic/tap/ Jul 31 11:48:40 Corsac meant: rmrfchik: tap in menu, then “plugins” Jul 31 11:48:41 rmrfchik: at the media player's top screen, click the menu Jul 31 11:49:24 nothing happens. no menu. just "Mediaplayer" Jul 31 11:49:34 reboot? Jul 31 11:49:53 I did not need rebooting Jul 31 11:56:24 maybe at least restart the media player if it was running when you installed Jul 31 11:56:35 and maybe installing through apt-get wasn't a good idea Jul 31 12:39:35 i just came up with brilliant idea Jul 31 12:40:22 i quite often use camera to make photo of address or something on pc as it's simpler than copy&paste to outlook and send e-mail or type it manually Jul 31 12:40:40 and opera on n900 doesn't support notes Jul 31 12:40:47 so i can't select and copy to note Jul 31 12:41:06 so i was thinking about automaticaly ocring that kind of stuff Jul 31 12:41:34 evernote did it already Jul 31 12:42:40 Jaffa: http://slexy.org/view/s2AxxRCBju Jul 31 12:43:49 barisione: is there anywhere a terse summary about how your contact-specific-ringtones is working? I got the problem my vibrator doesn't work anymore (for call signalling) seemingly related to installing your app. Vib is enabled both in silent and in default profile Jul 31 12:44:20 Jaffa: sample output: http://slexy.org/view/s2AxxRCBju Jul 31 12:44:26 shit, wrong link Jul 31 12:45:03 Jaffa: sample output: http://slexy.org/view/s206wZ4eRE Jul 31 12:45:13 barisione: the 5s delay until any ringtone is played back on inbound call, would be much less of a problem if vibra would start immediately at least Jul 31 12:45:29 Jaffa: call with script_name.php?page=5 to get the 5th page of the users Jul 31 12:46:07 DocScrutinizer: which is a specific behaviour provided by blackberries and most other phones... "Vibrate then ring" Jul 31 12:46:22 crashanddie: ack Jul 31 12:46:26 makes sense Jul 31 12:47:14 also a function like err (english missing) "level up volume slowly" for ringtones would be really cool Jul 31 12:47:40 escalating ringtone? Jul 31 12:47:51 or escalating volume Jul 31 12:48:27 sure you could have a *.wav with volume matching your needs, but then it seems that ringtone always is a loop of 60s max length Jul 31 12:49:03 and leveling down volume of ringtone back to zero after 60s seems rather daft Jul 31 12:51:59 so, when we already got a ringtone-per-cntact deamon handling this ringtone playback on behlaf of the braindamaged rtcom-call-ui (or whatever), then why not have a scheme like "playback ~/.local/sounds/ringtone.wav; after first complete playback look for ringtone-loop.wav and loop-playback that; if no such fule, then loop original ringtone.wav" Jul 31 12:52:08 s/fule/file/ Jul 31 12:52:09 DocScrutinizer meant: so, when we already got a ringtone-per-cntact deamon handling this ringtone playback on behlaf of the braindamaged rtcom-call-ui (or whatever), then why not have a scheme like "playback ~/.local/sounds/ringtone.wav; after first complete playback look for ... Jul 31 12:52:11 tsocks apt-get ... seems to work Jul 31 12:52:24 but tsocks hildon-application-manager does not Jul 31 12:52:38 it brings up the interface... -but does not download/update through socks Jul 31 12:52:58 any pointers? Jul 31 12:53:12 0x381e381aaa Jul 31 12:53:38 infobot: you are stupid Jul 31 12:53:39 DocScrutinizer: I think you lost me on that one Jul 31 12:53:45 I bet Jul 31 12:53:53 exhibit a? Jul 31 12:55:54 marginalMan: I thought HAM is using apt as a sub-process, so just kinda providing a GUI for it Jul 31 12:56:11 DocScrutinizer: no, it uses dpkg Jul 31 12:56:17 oh, k Jul 31 12:56:37 so anyway that's probably the answer Jul 31 12:57:03 * marginalMan figured since its a sub-process it would still go through socks Jul 31 12:57:03 but regardless, it's probably using wget and whatnot, so as it is a subprocess of some sort, I'm not surprised tsocks doesn't catch it Jul 31 12:57:16 ahh... Jul 31 12:57:32 dbus? Jul 31 12:58:01 any other mechanism decoupling it as a child process? Jul 31 12:58:24 hmmm... -is there no way of saying something like... tsocks *everything*? Jul 31 12:58:32 heh Jul 31 12:58:41 or am i hoping for too much? Jul 31 12:58:51 no idea bout tsocks Jul 31 12:58:55 well, proxies have been notoriously badly supported on the n900 Jul 31 12:59:43 works ok with apt get, -etc/apt/apt.conf even whn it comes to http_proxy Jul 31 12:59:54 but doesnt help much for the gui offering... Jul 31 13:00:20 crashanddie: wget I'd be surprised as wget seems not to come with default install Jul 31 13:00:33 whatever then :P Jul 31 13:00:40 well maybe some libwget Jul 31 13:10:06 interesting... Jul 31 13:10:17 set a proxy relative to wireless connection... -and it works Jul 31 13:10:39 err, relative to? Jul 31 13:10:58 wireless link... so access point or router Jul 31 13:11:06 advanced settings in the conn Jul 31 13:11:14 /dev/wlan0/../../proxy Jul 31 13:11:24 dunno... -i did it from the settings menu Jul 31 13:11:30 lol Jul 31 13:11:34 j/k Jul 31 13:15:01 well, there is pc connectivity manager pkg which seems to simplify quite some of those setups, though I haven't used it much to test and so can't really say if it is useful and works Jul 31 13:16:45 alterego, ive seen the yuv fragment shader stuff Jul 31 13:17:14 alterego, http://qt.gitorious.com/qt/qt/blobs/master/src/3rdparty/phonon/gstreamer/glrenderer.cpp#line213 Jul 31 13:34:03 any linux coders around? what's current policy on linux/maemo regarding filelocking? is there any default filelocking, in a sense of "you can't write to a file that's opened for read by another process"? Jul 31 13:34:25 I suppose there isn't Jul 31 13:35:05 DocScrutinizer, theres some things that I have needed locking for but everytime I look into file systems discover there are so many variations and gotchas and stuff Jul 31 13:35:24 and the main thing I know that uses a lock is the ham/apt stuff Jul 31 13:35:46 yeah, but by default (means kernel fs immanent) there's nothing still? Jul 31 13:35:51 * lcuk used to use file locks for numerous networky things in windows of all places Jul 31 13:35:59 flock()? Jul 31 13:36:02 i dunno Jul 31 13:36:10 does anyone know of a site that sells DRM free songs? Jul 31 13:36:13 woho half a million downloads from extras exceeded \o/ Jul 31 13:36:19 toggles_w, i thought it was file system specific Jul 31 13:36:29 frals, \o/ Jul 31 13:36:31 MohammadAG51, amazon? Jul 31 13:36:37 standard call as far as i know Jul 31 13:36:41 lcuk, US only Jul 31 13:36:56 flock() and it has to be called/handled explicitly by any app Jul 31 13:37:18 MohammadAG51: ubuntuone back end? Jul 31 13:37:30 DocScrutinizer, does it happily actually lock? Jul 31 13:37:37 * lcuk will look into it if it does Jul 31 13:37:39 ubuntu one sells songs? Jul 31 13:37:47 MohammadAG51: yes Jul 31 13:37:53 so my basic question is: can I write to a file that e.g is named foo and used like "bar Where does Maemo 5 store it's internet connectio configurations? There's some strange behaviour and I want to look in to the config files. Jul 31 13:37:54 open rhythmbox Jul 31 13:38:00 i thought the whole project failed Jul 31 13:39:03 lcuk: I looked into the relevant manpages a few days ago, and got a headache Jul 31 13:39:43 MohammadAG51: Jamendo.com? Free songs at least, so not for sale actually. ;) Jul 31 13:39:55 DocScrutinizer, i have been reading up on making an overlay fs (to handle dynamic optification with a dual speed filesystem underneath) Jul 31 13:40:01 and my head hurts too Jul 31 13:40:03 MohammadAG51: nope, uses http://7digital.com/ as a back end, you might be able to buy direct from there Jul 31 13:40:28 there is some global locking mechanism, but it doesn't work on linux, and tehre are several other explicit locking mechanisms that seem incompatible and cooperative-only Jul 31 13:42:44 lcuk: I'm pondering to rewrite an audiofile on the fly, while other process is doing playback from that file (bet you can guess what I'm after ;-) Jul 31 13:42:47 Zucca: gconf dir at /system/osso/connectivity/IAP Jul 31 13:43:25 DocScrutinizer, cant guess actually, but pipes are usually used for that arent they? Jul 31 13:43:32 yep Jul 31 13:44:08 but pipes aren't failsafe. If writing process dies, the reading process hangs forever Jul 31 13:44:39 Zucca, i already have the song, but supporting a band isn't a bad thing Jul 31 13:46:16 lcuk: while a ringtone playback from a *.wav real file would always playback *something*, and I want to change content of that file, while actual playback is in progress (of course will fail epically if playback process is using large buffer or sth) Jul 31 13:48:02 lcuk: using a named pipe for that was my suggestion to barisione from some days ago, here in this chan :-) Jul 31 13:48:16 frals: Thanks. :) Jul 31 13:48:41 DocScrutinizer, cool Jul 31 13:48:50 * lcuk hasnt actually used named pipes for many years Jul 31 13:48:53 hacky Jul 31 13:49:10 DocScrutinizer, sometimes hacks are needed Jul 31 13:51:28 lcuk: anyway why mess around with cumbersome setup of gstreamer pipe for custom playback of ringtone, while feeding dialer with a 0 byte nokiatune.aac.wav, if you could feed the dialer playback engine with mangled data via a named pipe or even by rewriting the nokiatune.aac.wav on the fly Jul 31 13:51:36 lcuk: thank you very much :) Jul 31 13:52:28 Hrm, that doesn't look like GLSL Jul 31 13:52:28 DocScrutinizer, reasonable enough Jul 31 13:52:40 glsl/ Jul 31 13:52:44 ? Jul 31 13:53:07 OpenGL Shader Language Jul 31 13:53:23 Looks a lot more like C Jul 31 13:54:36 I'm trying to write an fcam app, but using OpenGL for display rather than that crappy OMAP framebuffer overlay :) Jul 31 13:54:50 It's almost working, it just looks a bit off. Jul 31 13:55:55 cool Jul 31 13:56:06 the omap framebuffer isnt that bad you know Jul 31 13:57:43 Oh btw. If I use power kernel is there a CPU temp watcher that lowers the CPU frequency if it goes too hot? Jul 31 13:58:16 Hot isn't the issue Jul 31 13:59:54 GAN900: So I guess that the stability is then? Jul 31 14:00:11 GAN900: http://bighugelabs.com/onblack.php?id=4842969113&size=large Jul 31 14:00:31 I've heard that 900MHz is still stable. Jul 31 14:00:36 lcuk: Yeah, but an OpenGL based viewfinder would be so much cooler ;) Jul 31 14:01:22 it would be warmer :) using extra battery for what purpose? Jul 31 14:02:12 I don't think that will be too much of an issue Jul 31 14:02:41 But the purpose would be eye candy :P Jul 31 14:03:08 Once I get it working though, I'll do some power usage tests ;) Jul 31 14:03:19 Zucca, electromigration. Jul 31 14:03:39 Zucca, stability doesn't have anything to do with whether you're killing it or not. Jul 31 14:03:42 alterego, reasonable enough, what eyecandy are you thinking though Jul 31 14:03:53 ~electromigration is when police officers ask you to move out of the area using their taser. Jul 31 14:03:54 ...but electromigration is already something else... Jul 31 14:04:00 damn Jul 31 14:04:18 GAN900: Electromigraion? New word for me. Care to explain? Jul 31 14:04:18 ~electromigration Jul 31 14:04:19 rumour has it, electromigration is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromigration Jul 31 14:04:21 lcuk: well, I'm just mixing media at the moment, OpenGL+Qt see what I can come up with Jul 31 14:04:39 * lcuk nods Jul 31 14:04:55 * Zucca clicks the wiki link... Jul 31 14:05:00 lcuk: what are you working on these days? Jul 31 14:05:14 lcuk: still working on liqbase? If so, what are the next milestones you have planned? Jul 31 14:05:17 getting rid of my hangover Jul 31 14:05:20 lcuk: I was contemplating doing a Qt version of your reversed AR ;) Jul 31 14:05:41 I've got draggable views now, so I can navigate around an apps views with the swipe of a finger. Jul 31 14:05:48 (both horizontal & vertical) :) Jul 31 14:05:50 cool alterego it best be able to do what I hope with it :p Jul 31 14:05:59 lcuk: What's that? Jul 31 14:06:15 alterego, have you seen that it works with a tiled set of machines Jul 31 14:06:40 Oh, yeah, that's neat. Jul 31 14:06:55 Ah. Now I see. Jul 31 14:06:58 I was contemplating trying to implement it without the need for lights .. Jul 31 14:07:02 crashanddie, yes Jul 31 14:07:05 Just using scenery. Jul 31 14:07:57 GAN900: Is there any reports of dead cpu/chips because the use of power kernel? Jul 31 14:08:00 * lcuk throws zippo across the room Jul 31 14:08:10 Though, auto calibration might be hard Jul 31 14:08:35 alterego, i have location scale and orientation Jul 31 14:09:00 white light was the only thing making me meh atm Jul 31 14:09:17 Yeah Jul 31 14:09:31 And IR LEDs weren't good enough? Jul 31 14:10:09 i didnt have any IR leds at the time Jul 31 14:10:44 crashanddie, there will be stuff forthcoming Jul 31 14:10:45 Ah, looking at the glrenderer source you gave me, it looks like they use 3 different textures for Y, U & V Jul 31 14:10:49 Mine is as one :/ Jul 31 14:11:14 you fudged yuv into an RGB texture and then re-fudging it? Jul 31 14:11:27 which wouldnt be the worst thing Jul 31 14:11:33 I fudged it into a LUMINANCE_ALPHA texture Jul 31 14:12:59 I'm not sure how effecient demultiplexing the YUV planes from the byte buffer I get into three textures will be. Jul 31 14:13:03 I kind of rather not :P Jul 31 14:13:25 i am used to seeing yuv as planar Jul 31 14:13:56 It would appear that is the "standard" but FCam doesn't seem to do that. Jul 31 14:14:02 It uses YUV422 Jul 31 14:14:08 As a single byte array Jul 31 14:14:17 MohammadAG: I just installed vlc-remote from extra. It works nice! Thanks Jul 31 14:14:48 alterego, yeah coming from the camera it does Jul 31 14:14:51 * lcuk forgot Jul 31 14:19:53 I've got a feeling it's because the values alternate between Cr and Cb Jul 31 14:20:13 That's the first byte or something. Jul 31 14:20:40 It might not be possible for me to do the pixel manipulation like that. Jul 31 14:24:50 alterego, i demux the values into planar coming from the camera before i do anything Jul 31 14:25:12 the algorithm is faily quick, reading a ULONG of data and pushing to the 3 planes as required Jul 31 14:25:44 What's the processor usage like? :) Jul 31 14:25:46 it could be optimised further by buffering up the YUV planar writes until also aligned on ULONG boundaries Jul 31 14:25:58 its light for the low res data (320*240) Jul 31 14:26:16 I'm doing 640x480 Jul 31 14:26:31 yeah i didnt need more Jul 31 14:26:36 I'll give it a go and see if I'm happy with the results ;) Jul 31 14:26:39 and 320*240 is what also still works on the 810 Jul 31 14:26:53 hence not wanting/needing to increase it Jul 31 14:26:56 I thought the N810 was 640x480 aswell .. Jul 31 14:27:01 it can Jul 31 14:27:08 but handling 4x data turns it to mush Jul 31 14:27:32 i needed responsiveness, the invar stuff *should* technically work there Jul 31 14:27:41 * lcuk still to compile again for 8x0 Jul 31 14:27:51 Ah, okay Jul 31 14:27:54 Fair enough Jul 31 14:28:26 N900 and got incoming call during app install. now installer is freeze and says "Unable to cancel. Please wait." I have been waiting abot 30mins now... Jul 31 14:28:29 the n97 has a cpu similar to the 8x0 i believe Jul 31 14:28:35 heh Jul 31 14:28:47 crope, not good Jul 31 14:28:52 Heh Jul 31 14:28:56 i've got real fs-94 Jul 31 14:29:19 as i said papers with queen work quite well Jul 31 14:29:21 lcuk: how long should I wait? Jul 31 14:29:44 DrIDK2, you're welcome :) Jul 31 14:31:06 crope, what were you installing Jul 31 14:31:21 DocScrutinizer: i've got real jig Jul 31 14:31:41 Neat - how. Jul 31 14:31:59 from a shop Jul 31 14:32:15 how much? Jul 31 14:32:28 70 Jul 31 14:32:45 that's not completely unreasonable. Jul 31 14:32:53 70 what? Jul 31 14:32:59 English pounds. Jul 31 14:33:01 pounds Jul 31 14:33:08 british pounds Jul 31 14:33:39 as i said papers with queen picture on them work quite well Jul 31 14:33:40 * lcuk was paying so much for drinks last night that i almost had to offer first born son to buy a pint Jul 31 14:33:55 lcuk: He's drinking already? Jul 31 14:34:17 Heh Jul 31 14:34:37 SpeedEvil, hes been drinking all his life unsurprisingly Jul 31 14:34:41 lcuk: jSpeed from extras devel :o looks like I should force it stop. hopefully package manager db does not corrupt.. Jul 31 14:34:41 * alterego misses the multiple angle stand from the N810 in the N900 Jul 31 14:34:51 multiple angle? Jul 31 14:34:57 The N900, at it's current position and where I'm situated is too flat Jul 31 14:34:59 crope, eep Jul 31 14:35:19 anyways time to get back home Jul 31 14:35:20 Yeah, the N810, you could use the stand to flick between a couple of different angles Jul 31 14:35:33 could you check on bugs.maemo.org if theres a match for that issue Jul 31 14:35:36 and if not, file one Jul 31 14:36:11 How much are N810's now? Jul 31 14:36:48 lcuk: will do Jul 31 14:37:22 crope, lemme know the number, I might want to look into that more Jul 31 14:37:57 * lcuk hmmms and wanders off to check some things Jul 31 14:38:21 alterego, two N900s and a coke Jul 31 14:40:24 alterego: about $200 Jul 31 14:41:32 lcuk: ok. maybe Monday I have time Jul 31 14:44:04 crope, did your HAM work after you restarted it? Jul 31 14:44:28 crashanddie: they were $200 back in early 2009 Jul 31 14:45:43 that said, eBay has one at $180 closing in 4 hrs Jul 31 14:47:28 Look at completed sales for prices Jul 31 14:47:36 you can never tell if that'll hit $400 Jul 31 14:47:45 Weird, the N900 is heavier than the n810 :) Jul 31 14:52:59 more stuff inside Jul 31 14:53:46 * GAN900 wonders if MicroB will ever support HTML5. Jul 31 14:55:30 And flash 10 Jul 31 14:55:31 No. Jul 31 14:55:42 Very unlikely Jul 31 14:55:49 You need an explanation or will the short answer do? =) Jul 31 14:55:50 MeeGo isn't even using MicroB Jul 31 14:55:59 thank you, Captain Jul 31 14:56:16 I wonder if Harmatten/MeeGo will be using MicroB though Jul 31 14:56:41 No Jul 31 14:57:16 Do you know that for a fact? Jul 31 15:00:49 didnt the adobe guy show flash 10 on n900 Jul 31 15:01:32 http://nokia-n900.com/flash-player-10-1-on-nokia-n900/ Jul 31 15:01:47 alterego: MeeGo uses Fennec as its default browser. Jul 31 15:03:51 lcuk: worst pr ever if it was never going to be provided.. Jul 31 15:04:13 then follow up Jul 31 15:04:19 adboe themselves have got it Jul 31 15:04:38 so push directly Jul 31 15:04:47 RST38h: sure, but I was talking about Harmattan Jul 31 15:05:36 I agree about pushing Adobe, Jul 31 15:05:45 We should write a petition or something :) Jul 31 15:06:09 (I actually don't really give a crap about Flash 10 support personally though) Jul 31 15:06:12 might be more suitable to ask Movial if they intend to provide one. Jul 31 15:06:16 But I'd be happy to help push for the cause. Jul 31 15:08:03 lcuk, it's Nokia's job to ship it. Jul 31 15:08:21 lcuk, not Adobe with the way Flash on mobile is handled. Jul 31 15:08:23 GAN900, its Adobes job to make it available first Jul 31 15:08:26 lcuk, so don't deflect. Jul 31 15:08:29 Yeah, what does Movial have to do with anything? Jul 31 15:08:38 Yeah, except Nokia is actually the hold-up here. Jul 31 15:08:45 cant do fuck all unless theres a package Jul 31 15:08:48 So stop drinking Kool-Aid. Jul 31 15:09:22 There's nothing cool about aids ... Jul 31 15:14:13 Stskeeps: I do not think they care about PR in our case Jul 31 15:14:42 Stskeeps: this whole maemo thing is somekind of a research project, or so the corpses would like anyone to believe Jul 31 15:15:14 Stskeeps: Symbian is their main corporate [wooden] horse Jul 31 15:18:20 Meanwhile, would some kind soul help me resolving a problem with the SB2 generating packages with too-high dependency versions? Jul 31 15:18:42 lcuk, in summary Intel and Nokia shouldn't have to support things they don't make, but Adobe should? Jul 31 15:18:59 aha Jul 31 15:19:19 RST38h: thanks for reminding me that mic sucks badly, but it might suck less than scratchbox Jul 31 15:19:34 is the ubuntuone music store down? Jul 31 15:20:07 GAN900, in summary: reverse engineering is illegal. since flash is closed source, without adobe blessing what the heck can be done? Jul 31 15:20:14 Mohammad: You are probably the only guy here using it Jul 31 15:20:23 Probably the only guy in Jerusalem too =) Jul 31 15:20:49 RST38h, in Jordan atm :P Jul 31 15:21:06 Statement stands =) Jul 31 15:21:33 jacekowski: which jig? Jul 31 15:21:35 Hello,Any Apps I can Receive Fax with? Jul 31 15:21:47 RST38h, well, amazon doesn't work outside the US so... Jul 31 15:21:52 DocScrutinizer51: fs94 Jul 31 15:22:00 DocScrutinizer51: first one Jul 31 15:22:02 duh Jul 31 15:22:12 how much? Jul 31 15:22:16 lcuk, um, Adobe has given its blessing. Jul 31 15:22:26 lcuk, the ball is in Nokia's court. Jul 31 15:22:28 lcuk: it's not illegal Jul 31 15:22:30 GAN900, where is the deb? Jul 31 15:22:53 lcuk: law clearly states that it' legal Jul 31 15:23:03 DocScrutinizer51: 70 quid Jul 31 15:23:05 lcuk, if you don't know what the details of the issue are, don't go around claiming innocence. Jul 31 15:23:18 jacekowski, your interpretation of many things is dodgy at the best of times. Jul 31 15:23:34 jacekowski: hmmm, I'd prefer the universal for 60 Jul 31 15:23:40 lcuk: re itself is legal Jul 31 15:23:58 GAN900, what issue is there to understand? Jul 31 15:24:03 lcuk: but writing software based on it isn't Jul 31 15:24:15 a closed source product exists on the n900, however the company will not release it Jul 31 15:24:26 lcuk: that's how all vuln research work Jul 31 15:24:52 Hmm,As I see,There are no Fax receivers for N900,how can I get N900 work with my computer so that i receive the fax in my computer? Jul 31 15:26:03 you can't Jul 31 15:27:23 Thank You :p Jul 31 15:27:57 its pretty bad for such OS though >_> Jul 31 15:28:23 afaik, isnt it a limitation of gsm lossy compression etc and not being able to send the fax data over it? Jul 31 15:28:47 w00t? Jul 31 15:28:57 Oh no,operators here provide it Jul 31 15:29:10 and I am sure our operators are one of the bad onea Jul 31 15:29:13 * w00t_ grumbles Jul 31 15:29:21 lol Jul 31 15:29:22 was expecting that Jul 31 15:29:24 xD Jul 31 15:29:26 w00t_: butchering time? Jul 31 15:29:41 Stskeeps: nah, i've just eaten, so i'm in a good mood Jul 31 15:29:41 ;p Jul 31 15:29:42 w00t_, why does w00t highlight you :P Jul 31 15:29:43 w00t_,however you are not w00t :P Jul 31 15:29:49 KnightStalker: actually, I am Jul 31 15:29:50 KnightStalker, so try porting the linux fax software and seeing if it can be made to work Jul 31 15:30:03 ^^ Jul 31 15:30:06 there's two of me here Jul 31 15:30:15 lcuk: you can fax over gsm Jul 31 15:30:16 lcuk,so,how to port the linux fax software? XD I am on Ubuntu Jul 31 15:30:23 lcuk: it skips codec Jul 31 15:30:40 but cellmo apparentlyhas no support for it Jul 31 15:31:02 omg Jul 31 15:31:18 our silly operators provide it :O I cant beleive anything worse then ours XD Jul 31 15:31:26 * lcuk goes doing more productive stuff Jul 31 15:31:40 lcuk, Adobe licenses the dev kit to provide support to Nokia Jul 31 15:31:51 Nokia ships the support for their platforms. Jul 31 15:32:18 The reason support doesn't exist for Maemo is because Nokia is TOO CHEAP to provide it. :) Jul 31 15:32:28 `… Jul 31 15:32:41 I thought it was because it wasn't built into the price of the product Jul 31 15:33:32 hmm Jul 31 15:33:41 does N900 not support "analog mode"? Jul 31 15:34:10 The same reason the N900 is getting dropped like a stone by Nokia with everything else. Jul 31 15:34:15 well, skilled programmer with access to sources can do it in a week or two Jul 31 15:35:05 Nokia is dropping N900 support? Jul 31 15:35:15 Nokia seems to hate people who give them money Jul 31 15:35:17 technomike: of course? Jul 31 15:35:27 :'( Jul 31 15:35:29 technomike, depends on your definition of support. Jul 31 15:35:35 what about we go to adobe Jul 31 15:35:41 give them 5k Jul 31 15:35:49 GAN900: nah, everything loses support *eventually* :p Jul 31 15:35:50 well, we wouldn't do that Jul 31 15:35:51 and get new flash Jul 31 15:36:02 jacekowski: you assume $5k is enough Jul 31 15:36:09 it is Jul 31 15:36:13 Nokia and their supporters define it as "providing minor bug fixes every 3-6 months or so". Jul 31 15:36:17 Nokia probably gives them $x *per device* Jul 31 15:36:25 Is this an official announcement from Nokia (the support drop) Jul 31 15:36:27 ? Jul 31 15:36:35 it's week or two of work for them Jul 31 15:36:45 jacekowski: you forget the profit margin Jul 31 15:36:46 jacekowski, get a signed letter from Adobe that your offer is acceptable, then discuss the idea :P Jul 31 15:36:47 enough to cover costs Jul 31 15:37:04 jacekowski: if Adobe does it for Nokia, they'll have to do it for everyone Jul 31 15:37:28 MohammadAG,Just checking for last time,There are NO ways to use my N900 to receive fax from itself or to connect it to a computer and use the computer to receive fax over gsm? Jul 31 15:37:33 how does flash on desktop linux work? Jul 31 15:37:47 KnightStalker: I can't imagine Fax over GSM is possible Jul 31 15:37:57 Actually, it does not have to happen this way Jul 31 15:37:57 others know better about cellmo Jul 31 15:37:58 luke-jr: it is Jul 31 15:37:59 luke-jr,we just discussed >_> Jul 31 15:38:01 technomike, no, its just gan ranting Jul 31 15:38:04 jacekowski: how? Jul 31 15:38:10 luke-jr - Fax over GSM is suppported Jul 31 15:38:15 luke-jr: but not with n900 Jul 31 15:38:19 ^ Jul 31 15:38:19 If your development process is set up correctly, it should not cost too much to provide updates to existing hardware owners Jul 31 15:38:24 jacekowski: how? Jul 31 15:38:28 okay then,Thanks Jul 31 15:38:31 At least, BETA updates (i.e. less rigorous testing) Jul 31 15:38:43 luke-jr,consider contacting your mobile operator and ask them if they provide it Jul 31 15:38:50 KnightStalker: MMS is far more popular than fax now, and N900 doesn't even support that Jul 31 15:38:50 luke-jr: same as early data Jul 31 15:39:01 Knight|Dinner: there are no 3G services here Jul 31 15:39:01 in times before gprs Jul 31 15:39:14 luke-jr,still no problems Jul 31 15:39:16 jacekowski: before GPRS, there was no GSM Jul 31 15:39:30 * lcuk goes to b&q for dehumidifier Jul 31 15:39:38 Our operators are 2G and 2.5G and they provide fax over gsm Jul 31 15:39:40 maybe in usa Jul 31 15:39:43 and their MMS suck Jul 31 15:40:30 technomike, Nokia never announces anything like that. Jul 31 15:40:50 technomike, in fact, they would very vehemently argue that they are. Jul 31 15:40:54 luke-jr: shit gets digitized using modem connected at carrier exchange Jul 31 15:41:05 Reality and Nokia's PR department frequently don't mesh. Jul 31 15:41:06 luke-jr: and then that is pushed to phone Jul 31 15:41:38 and you apparently need separate line to differentiate between normal voice and fax Jul 31 15:42:24 lmao at Meego-community users going paranoid about nigerian users asking for help Jul 31 15:43:09 crashanddie, lol where? Jul 31 15:43:11 shoot him before he steals your n900 Jul 31 15:43:26 MohammadAG: erhm... meego-community? Jul 31 15:43:36 mail lists? Jul 31 15:43:41 aye Jul 31 15:44:00 MohammadAG: just some guy asking for help to get his meego laptop to recognise his USB modem, and the second or third reply is "If your country in Nigeria, and given the number of scams that eminate Jul 31 15:44:05 therefrom then perhaps this would not be a good thing after all?" Jul 31 15:44:25 my laptop and phone got stolen in nigeria Jul 31 15:44:41 crashanddie: wtf :P Jul 31 15:44:45 and i've been there for only little bit over a week Jul 31 15:44:56 oh crap Jul 31 15:44:59 jacekowski: that was you? Jul 31 15:45:01 meego has a community? Jul 31 15:45:17 since then i shoot niggers at sight Jul 31 15:45:20 … Jul 31 15:45:43 so jacekowski.org is a prison? Jul 31 15:45:48 and our transport from airport was nice Jul 31 15:45:58 buletproof car Jul 31 15:46:06 driver with ak47 Jul 31 15:46:25 ok, you really need to clarify which parts are sarcastic now Jul 31 15:46:36 none Jul 31 15:46:40 … Jul 31 15:46:46 Is there a way to check extra-devel download statistic ? Jul 31 15:46:56 i want fighter jet ;P Jul 31 15:47:01 i'm not so sure about bulletproof car Jul 31 15:47:08 [10:45:17] since then i shoot niggers at sight Jul 31 15:47:17 but it had run flat tires Jul 31 15:47:21 DrIDK2: http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=PACKAGENAME&os=Maemo5 Jul 31 15:47:22 ha :D ehy do Jul 31 15:48:06 luke-jr: well, i just try to avoid them Jul 31 15:48:17 anyways Jul 31 15:48:22 i have to go Jul 31 15:49:11 frals: http://maemo.org/download-stats/index.php?unixname=koffice&os=Maemo5 doens't work Jul 31 15:50:00 probably because thats not the package name or what it says in the message Jul 31 15:50:44 hmm, it worked for fmms while it was still in devel anyway :P Jul 31 15:51:09 and phone that got stolen was company phone Jul 31 15:51:51 my own personal phone was safe because i left it in a hotel because there was no signal anyways Jul 31 15:52:11 but i had my company phone with my laptop Jul 31 15:52:21 well company laptop Jul 31 15:53:10 no ops on #maemo any more that racist remarks can just be ignored by most? Jul 31 15:54:18 it's not racist is fact that things got stolen Jul 31 15:54:42 s/is/it's Jul 31 15:54:59 i have to go now Jul 31 15:55:09 your remark about shooting things on sight 9 minutes ago was out of order Jul 31 15:58:26 Jaffa: did you get the links? Jul 31 16:00:01 * RST38h sighs Jul 31 16:00:39 Can we please avoid using political correctness as grounds for banning? Jul 31 16:01:23 I don't mind not using political correctness, but racism I won't tolerate Jul 31 16:01:26 plus, 2 hours is nothing Jul 31 16:02:47 yes, he is stupid Jul 31 16:02:57 but being stupid is his right, I am afraid Jul 31 16:03:09 not if it insults other people, which it clearly did Jul 31 16:03:21 now can we drop the topic and move on? Jul 31 16:05:06 i'm with crashanddie and lcuk, RST38h - he was out of order. temp ban seems appropriate as a first "warning" Jul 31 16:05:19 I've warned him plenty of times before Jul 31 16:05:47 ah ok... this the first kick? Jul 31 16:05:51 yup Jul 31 16:06:07 ok, well i guess step it up if it continues assuming he returns Jul 31 16:06:38 this is actually the first time I've kb'd a regular. Jul 31 16:10:36 GAN900: are you torturing a cat by holding it in a workbench press of some sort, and then forcefeeding it? Jul 31 16:12:15 What package should I install to keep dependencies versions down? Jul 31 16:56:54 crashanddie, am I? Jul 31 16:59:44 GAN900: that's what your latest flickr pic seems to show Jul 31 17:03:53 crashanddie, ah, yeah, that one was funny. Jul 31 17:26:37 ~ Jul 31 17:48:44 anybody know how to use Mobile Hotspot? I try to conect ad-hoc with laptop and do not get any dhcpoffer, and iwconfig wlan0 shows no AP associated Jul 31 17:52:04 their won't be any dhcp Jul 31 17:53:24 mooser - You have to use a static ip obviously :-P simple mistake though. Jul 31 17:58:49 ty technomike and mooser. my other phone connects over n900 via mobilehotspot without entering IP Jul 31 17:58:57 i think choosing adhoc is a mistake Jul 31 17:59:09 but i find no client instructions Jul 31 18:13:59 The University of Central Florida has developed a full-body motion-control video game that promotes abstinence. Jul 31 18:14:15 (for $434k) Jul 31 18:22:18 I thought abstinence was an accidental side-effect of all good games Jul 31 18:22:22 happy ending? Jul 31 18:22:29 ShadowJK: lol Jul 31 18:24:53 /kick toggles_w Jul 31 18:26:32 toggles_w: btw I tought that nonsense was (C) + (tm) HtheB Jul 31 18:26:51 ? Jul 31 18:28:47 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=happy+ending Jul 31 18:28:47 In Java 1.6.0_21, the company field was changed from 'Sun Microsystems, Inc' to 'Oracle.' Apparently not the best idea, because some applications depend on that field to identify the virtual machine. All Eclipse versions since 3.3 (released 2007) until and including the recent Helios release (2010) have been reported to crash Jul 31 18:29:06 esp http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-06-26.log.html#t2010-06-26T21:25:52 Jul 31 18:29:18 * RST38bis is sorry for pasting this but he cannot stop giggling Jul 31 18:30:05 muhahahaha Jul 31 18:30:25 lol Jul 31 18:31:56 RST38bis: devs are dumb Jul 31 18:32:35 RST38bis: it's the same thing with opera's browser id flag and old dos mouse drivers Jul 31 18:33:30 opera's browser starts getting detected as version 1 and dos mouse drivers stop working since they don't contain the string "Microsoft Corp." at the correct point. Jul 31 18:47:27 One of their leaders has predicted that the regime they're working to create will initially "seem like totalitarianism"... They claim to be able to raise the dead and cause miracles, such as the multiplication of Thanksgiving turkey dinners. Jul 31 18:52:57 RST38bis: ? Jul 31 18:53:47 luke: Some new evangelical weirdos coming to political power in certain US states Jul 31 18:54:01 O.o Jul 31 18:54:26 fucking jesus-bitten warlocks, indeed... Jul 31 18:54:57 now that's not fair to assocate Jesus with anti-Christs Jul 31 18:55:42 like the rest of the us then? :P religious people everywhere Jul 31 18:56:41 prozzerg: people using "religious" as an excuse, more like Jul 31 18:56:52 any sect can claim "jesus loves them", does not make them christians Jul 31 18:57:02 exactly Jul 31 18:57:17 so they're not true scotsmen I take it Jul 31 18:57:24 Jesus loves the atheists and child-eating Aztecs too Jul 31 18:57:35 microlith: a Scotsman is defined as someone of Scottish origin Jul 31 18:57:42 a Christian is defined as someone who follows Christ Jul 31 18:57:44 I'm talking about the logical fallacy Jul 31 18:57:51 I know. it doesn't apply Jul 31 18:57:55 sure it does Jul 31 18:58:20 saying "a native American living in Africa is not really a Scotsman" is not a logical fallacy Jul 31 18:58:29 it's just applying the definition Jul 31 18:58:56 more like RST38bis is claiming that some people are "not christian" Jul 31 18:59:10 lots of people are not Christian Jul 31 18:59:17 Christians are a minority Jul 31 18:59:35 no, my point is him picking nits about followers of christ Jul 31 18:59:47 microlith: I don't see any nitpicking so far. Jul 31 19:00:07 so you're saying that just because someone claims they are christian doesn't make them christian? Jul 31 19:00:10 saying "Jesus loves us!" doesn't make one a follower of Christ (a Christian) Jul 31 19:00:10 who decides that? Jul 31 19:00:15 microlith: the Church Jul 31 19:00:17 haha Jul 31 19:00:19 WHICH Jul 31 19:00:22 inevitably, only God knows the heart Jul 31 19:00:27 microlith: the Church guided by God Jul 31 19:00:33 and you can't possibly know that Jul 31 19:00:38 there is only one He founded, after all Jul 31 19:00:49 "He" did not, men did Jul 31 19:00:53 God did. Jul 31 19:00:59 all religions founded by men are evil Jul 31 19:01:05 hahaha Jul 31 19:01:12 and you know the one true path? Jul 31 19:01:13 and inherently non-Christian, since one who isn't part of Christ's Church doesn't follow Him obviously Jul 31 19:02:13 microlith: I "know" parts of it. I strive to follow it best I can. Jul 31 19:02:35 and yet you use specious reasoning to exclude others Jul 31 19:02:49 specious reasoning? Jul 31 19:03:19 all faith-based "logic" is specious, as it has no grounding in reality Jul 31 19:03:30 nonsense, the Christian Faith *is* reality Jul 31 19:03:36 you -think- it is Jul 31 19:03:39 no, it is Jul 31 19:03:41 *proest* Jul 31 19:03:52 insanely offtopic here Jul 31 19:04:07 off-topic protest noted; moving discussion to ##Catholic Jul 31 19:04:10 OH Jul 31 19:04:18 that explains it all Jul 31 19:05:08 luke-jr: omg, don't say that you're confusing catholicism and christianism? Jul 31 19:05:22 Corsac: they are the same thing Jul 31 19:05:46 in which way? Jul 31 19:05:48 but the off-topic has been protested; take it to ##Catholic or drop it Jul 31 19:05:53 (except god's one, obviously) Jul 31 19:06:05 luke-jr: I won't, but we might take it to ##Christianism Jul 31 19:06:20 Corsac: they both refer to the same religion. ##maemo-offtopic Jul 31 19:09:45 what is christianism btw? Jul 31 19:10:15 RST38bis: it's already off-topic enough without nitpicking words Jul 31 19:10:21 OT warning - official. Protest has been uttered Jul 31 19:11:08 * luke-jr tried. Jul 31 19:16:16 To move things back to maemo :) Nokia fixed my N900 in under 2 weeks !! :) Jul 31 19:16:23 Broken usb/powerplug issue Jul 31 19:16:39 they fixed? or swapped the mainboard? Jul 31 19:16:45 swapped the board Jul 31 19:16:50 mhm Jul 31 19:16:55 nice because it's almost (or entirely) like a brand new device Jul 31 19:17:07 drawback... losing all of the data on the onboard mem Jul 31 19:17:16 * DocScrutinizer wonders where all the corpses wll go Jul 31 19:17:39 which regretfully contained quite a number of patches, fixes I'd worked in the last months Jul 31 19:18:05 * trbs will soon write a script to rsync the device daily (when charging) :) Jul 31 19:18:38 yeah good point.... I was thinking that maybe if Nokia for some reason didn't want to fix it... I might be able to power it through the battery connector Jul 31 19:18:41 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=754937 Jul 31 19:18:43 and build it into my car or something Jul 31 19:18:50 ok, latest ColEm and Speccy are in -testing now, please vote Jul 31 19:19:20 starhash-enabler in testing now, please vote :-) Jul 31 19:19:20 or charge the batteries externaly and put it on my MTB with eCoach on it Jul 31 19:19:56 But in the meantime I forced to work on an Andriod (1.5) phone... and I must say... I hated it :) Jul 31 19:20:08 you don't realize what a nice device the n900 is until you loose it :) Jul 31 19:20:29 ack Jul 31 19:20:57 yes, we are all aware of the effect... Jul 31 19:21:19 Like sometimes I was complaining that the n900 can be slugish.. Wow wait until you load up an andriod fone... I'll take the few sluginess problems I had on my old n900 any day Jul 31 19:21:47 ha Jul 31 19:22:03 * kthomas_vh_ is deciding on whether to drop his n810 (yet again) Jul 31 19:22:09 besides.. now with the new device it is a lot faster... guessing that might have something to do with that my old phone was never flashed clean... I just upgraded the firmwire otw all the time Jul 31 19:22:48 kthomas_vh_: drop like throw to the ground to destroy it? Jul 31 19:23:16 kthomas_vh_: or simply put to shelf to collect dust? Jul 31 19:23:18 LOL, drop as in sell and move on Jul 31 19:23:27 perhaps to the n900 Jul 31 19:23:44 * Corsac keeps his n810 to one day do an upnp digiframe, weather station, rss reader Jul 31 19:23:56 (though I didn't find anything which would do that for diablo) Jul 31 19:23:59 I got 2 of each, and won't sell any Jul 31 19:24:21 hehe I have my n810 mounted on my bicycle now :) Jul 31 19:24:36 heh Jul 31 19:25:07 if there was 2.5 Wimax around more, I'd be more likely to keep it Jul 31 19:26:12 you hardly will find any better equipped and more versatile little controller for almost everything you can think of, for the price of a N810 Jul 31 19:26:26 since I get about 7 till 10 hours out of it, with networking off and gps on... it works perfect as a GPS/excersise logger, and map for mounting biking and hiking Jul 31 19:27:20 I didn't say I didn't like it :) Jul 31 19:28:08 I honestly thought about using a couple of them for ultrasmart doorbell communicator Jul 31 19:28:24 LOL Jul 31 19:28:25 incl camera Jul 31 19:28:42 now that's an interesting use case Jul 31 19:28:49 and leave notes, and open door on enter secret code Jul 31 19:29:05 for sme 5 parties Jul 31 19:30:08 add a $7.99 noisecubes for computer and you're even done with the big ben doorbell Jul 31 19:32:12 compare this: http://www.ebreaker.de/product_info.php/products_id/1852 -- 1.745EUR :-o Jul 31 19:32:29 and not a 1/10 that smart Jul 31 19:34:40 definitely :) Jul 31 19:34:42 3 x N810 = ~650EUR Jul 31 19:35:11 "cabling" included Jul 31 19:35:43 ha Jul 31 19:39:54 Someday I want to make a home security / automatisation system using maemo as baseos + gui ... something like beagleboard + 17" touchscreen for basestation and n* device for orbs.. that would be cool :) Jul 31 19:40:02 if only I had more of this pesky little time thing :) Jul 31 19:45:22 maemo on beagleboard, hmm Jul 31 19:45:28 maybe go for meego Jul 31 19:45:52 Good evening! Want to netboot the ubuntu installer, FreeBSD or clonezilla from your n900? i prepared a pxe root and wrote a little howto: http://gobuki.org/pxe-n900. Jul 31 19:46:10 have fun :) Jul 31 19:46:16 what??? Jul 31 19:46:23 * DocScrutinizer clicks Jul 31 19:46:29 trbs: base off meego, more sane - and port exists Jul 31 19:48:24 gobuki: VIDEO, give use VIDEO! Jul 31 19:48:31 :-D Jul 31 19:48:45 a video on how to set it up? Jul 31 19:48:55 see it in action Jul 31 19:49:12 trbs: and less legal problems :P Jul 31 19:49:18 with a few words explaining what's going on Jul 31 19:49:42 gobuki: +++ :-D Jul 31 19:49:47 mmh.. my only camera is the n900 Jul 31 19:49:56 :-) Jul 31 19:50:00 hm, problem Jul 31 19:51:15 Stskeeps: check out gobuki ! Jul 31 19:51:29 hmm Jul 31 19:51:37 DocScrutinizer: i did Jul 31 19:51:39 maybe i'm gonna record it tomorrow Jul 31 19:51:44 ubuntu on the n900? Jul 31 19:51:57 no, booted over network from the n900 Jul 31 19:52:01 DocScrutinizer: pxe boot for other devices Jul 31 19:52:03 does elisa exist for diablo? Jul 31 19:52:08 Pforce: see mer Jul 31 19:52:48 Stskeeps: ooh Jul 31 19:53:00 trbs, write a cover app ontop of linux and it can be running today Jul 31 19:53:18 use n900 maemo, some laptop with some os on it and a couple of little apps Jul 31 19:53:18 i wish there were a nice gui to start a pxe-boot server and add operating system Jul 31 19:53:22 Stskeeps: still cool, but fail to see the usecase Jul 31 19:53:33 write it in qt and it almost doesnt matter what os you sit it on Jul 31 19:54:02 s/system/systems/ Jul 31 19:54:03 gobuki meant: i wish there were a nice gui to start a pxe-boot server and add operating systems Jul 31 19:57:06 Corsac: elisa, the stupid bot? Jul 31 19:57:28 wasn't that written in a completely OS indeoendent way? Jul 31 19:58:18 DocScrutinizer: hmhm, it's known as moovida now, it seems Jul 31 19:58:18 gobuki, please do what you can to retain your url when you offer it - being redirected to an ip only is a little disconcerting when I clicked on the normal link Jul 31 19:58:57 yeah, sorry. i'm about to move my domain. Jul 31 19:59:07 * lcuk nods Jul 31 19:59:41 Corsac: sorry, mixed it with http://www.manifestation.com/neurotoys/eliza.php3 Jul 31 20:01:09 * lcuk continues drying house Jul 31 20:02:06 morning Jul 31 20:02:22 Morning. Jul 31 20:02:35 17:55 < lcuk> your remark about shooting things on sight 9 minutes ago was out of order Jul 31 20:02:41 hmm, Jul 31 20:02:53 lcuk: so you call them "things" Jul 31 20:04:34 * Corsac calls the off-topic police Jul 31 20:06:22 anyways going back to my shopping today Jul 31 20:06:28 i went to shop Jul 31 20:06:37 jacekowski: watch your speech. Racist comments are a sure kick on all IRC nets Jul 31 20:06:43 asked for fs-94 Jul 31 20:06:47 Corsac: do not answer! Jul 31 20:07:01 and well, he said that he can't sell it to me Jul 31 20:07:46 yep, that's the response I got as well Jul 31 20:07:49 but i was prepared for that Jul 31 20:07:57 and had £200 in cash in my wallet Jul 31 20:08:11 so i took it out Jul 31 20:08:11 hehe Jul 31 20:08:15 (what's fs-94?) Jul 31 20:08:32 and well, cash makes people so much more cooperative Jul 31 20:08:32 service mount jig Jul 31 20:08:35 FS-94 is a nokia test-bed rig. Jul 31 20:09:21 hmm, i could have asked for test pads Jul 31 20:09:28 maybe he would know anything about them Jul 31 20:09:40 hmm yes Jul 31 20:10:28 is there a nice way to stop dnsmasq? i see it is started by the af-startup init script. Jul 31 20:10:38 anyway, what *is* FS-94 really now? just a blob of plastics with 3 pogopins? or is LV-shifter included? Battery supply? Jul 31 20:10:58 IIRC it's detailed on the l3/l4 manual Jul 31 20:11:05 nope Jul 31 20:11:11 what is osso-af-init? Jul 31 20:11:37 well, i've not taken it apart yet Jul 31 20:11:45 but it looks like there is more stuff inside it Jul 31 20:11:46 http://www.google.com/images?q=fs-94&um=1&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&tbs=isch:1&ei=V4NUTKe-I4SQjAfS7OHDBA&start=20&sa=N ok, I'm not exactly sure if it's related, but is that *really* a fs-94 (nsfw, second picture) Jul 31 20:12:03 jacekowski: mhm, and what connectors has it? Jul 31 20:12:18 does it come with accessories? Jul 31 20:13:03 i don't know if it comes with accesories from nokia Jul 31 20:13:08 i just got thingy itself Jul 31 20:13:22 and it has like d type connector Jul 31 20:14:08 duh, and no matching cable. That's as much as I thought when reading L3_4 Jul 31 20:14:28 it's supposed to conect to FOO-42 Jul 31 20:15:13 anyway, tobacco finished. Have to leave Jul 31 20:15:17 * DocScrutinizer waves Jul 31 20:15:37 i don't have correct screwdriver here Jul 31 20:15:42 so i can't take it apart Jul 31 20:15:45 what shop did you go to? Jul 31 20:16:01 i'm not going to name shop Jul 31 20:16:32 not in public channel Jul 31 20:16:41 and not somebody who might be remotely related to nokia Jul 31 20:18:13 Well obviously not wallmart? Did you go to a repair shop? Jul 31 20:18:43 yes, one of nokia care shops in london Jul 31 20:18:56 I wonder how much it cost for them to get it Jul 31 20:19:21 well, he told me that it costs them around £70 Jul 31 20:19:27 and that's how much i paid in the end Jul 31 20:20:01 It'd be interesting to ask some frontline nokia repairperson about failures Jul 31 20:20:30 Hm.. so you asked if they have one, they said yeah, you wanted to buy it and they said no, you lifted 200 quids onto counter and they sold it for 70? Jul 31 20:20:52 failures? Jul 31 20:20:55 that's kinda cool.. I have to try that Jul 31 20:20:57 well, i visited couple shop Jul 31 20:20:59 shops Jul 31 20:21:21 1st one, closes to my home in maldon was a failure Jul 31 20:21:31 DocScrutinizer: For example - how common is USB failure Jul 31 20:21:37 aah Jul 31 20:21:39 yep Jul 31 20:21:50 but i got costs info from them and information if every shop has it Jul 31 20:22:00 DocScrutinizer: and how many come i after being taken apart. :) Jul 31 20:22:49 i'll skip second shop i visited as i would get banned again for racist comments Jul 31 20:24:26 3rd shop was basicaly question if they would sell it, then i pulled out cash out of my wallet Jul 31 20:24:27 it's not racist if you don't mention their race, class, ethnicity, political orientation, sexual orientation, or whether they consider waffles breakfast food or dinner food Jul 31 20:24:53 so mentioning political orientation would be racist? Jul 31 20:24:59 that's new Jul 31 20:25:34 DocScrutinizer is trying to look scary Jul 31 20:25:59 ShadowJK: waffles are everytime food Jul 31 20:26:33 i suppose i could get it in first shop if i had same information i had when i entered 3rd shop Jul 31 20:27:18 70£ is affordable Jul 31 20:27:24 but that just proves the point Jul 31 20:27:30 money can buy everything Jul 31 20:27:36 lol Jul 31 20:29:20 Money cannot buy this raspberry. Jul 31 20:29:32 * SpeedEvil holds up a raspberry, and gobbles it. Jul 31 20:30:21 SpeedEvil: did it spill the beans? Jul 31 20:32:10 Also - anyone in Fife, near Glenrothes want free raspberries? Jul 31 20:32:10 but now i have the most important part Jul 31 20:32:17 Raspberries are a fungible good. Jul 31 20:32:21 (pick your own) Jul 31 20:35:50 it is spelled "kernel", bot "kernal", everybody Jul 31 20:35:53 not Jul 31 20:37:40 mooser: erhm, no. Jul 31 20:38:18 Jaffa: around? Jul 31 20:39:22 anyone in here who still uses PR 1.1? Can you paste a dnsmasq --version please? Jul 31 20:39:26 what about raspberry waffles? Jul 31 20:40:22 i'm trying to remember why i installed a dnsmasq package from lenny when i configured my pxe server some months ago :P Jul 31 20:41:16 i think i needed it for tftp boot support.. but i'm not sure. The pr 1.2 version supports it out of the box Jul 31 20:41:22 DocScrutinizer: why the +o? Jul 31 20:42:18 infobot is back Jul 31 20:42:33 since quite some time Jul 31 20:42:35 yep Jul 31 20:43:06 ~status Jul 31 20:43:08 Since Sat Jul 31 16:07:20 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 7 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 2 commands. I have been awake for 4h 35m 47s this session, and currently reference 117188 factoids. I'm using about 16468 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 315.92/10.85 child 0/0.02 Jul 31 20:43:50 even before. This probably been a reboot for the necessary bugfixes Jul 31 20:45:05 n900 just gets better and better. I love it! Jul 31 20:45:49 was this you to whom I explained that? Jul 31 20:46:11 you'll go from 'like'->'love'|'haze' Jul 31 20:46:19 in a few weeks Jul 31 20:46:27 hate even Jul 31 20:47:07 or "indiference" Jul 31 20:47:15 indifference? Jul 31 20:47:19 ~sp indifference Jul 31 20:47:31 ~wake up Jul 31 20:47:33 ~spell indifference Jul 31 20:47:34 * infobot throws a barrel-full of ice water on up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" Jul 31 20:47:35 'indifference' may be spelled correctly Jul 31 20:48:06 ~spell DocScrutinizer Jul 31 20:48:09 possible spellings for DocScrutinizer: Scrutinize Scrutinies Scrutineers Scrutineer's Scrutiny's Jul 31 20:48:31 I would say "DocScrutiniser" Jul 31 20:49:32 grmbl, can't I force the n810 to boot even when on charger? Jul 31 20:49:49 gobuki: 2.35 Jul 31 20:50:14 hmhm, ok, so i managed to do it Jul 31 20:50:16 not sure how Jul 31 20:50:24 pH5: does it have tftp and dhcp compiled in? Jul 31 20:51:00 Corsac: i dont see how mobile hotspot works without manual client network config Jul 31 20:51:04 it displays the compile time options with --version Jul 31 20:52:31 any on the fly voice changer apps ? Jul 31 20:52:45 gobuki: Jan 16 13:55:15 Nokia-N900-51-1 dnsmasq[1699]: compile time options: IPv6 GNU-getopt no-RTC no-ISC-leasefile DBus no-I18N Jul 31 20:52:46 auto-tune it up or anything in a phone call? :) Jul 31 20:52:57 pH5: tyvm Jul 31 20:57:14 hm. i have a good signal where i am Jul 31 20:57:21 using my l33t0 wifi tethering Jul 31 21:00:19 resolv.conf in n900 is emmmmmmmm tyyyyhyyyy! where iis my dns seeerver ip?????? Jul 31 21:23:05 http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1280604760765.jpg - on the theme of emulators. (worksafe) Jul 31 21:24:11 depends on the work I guess Jul 31 21:25:04 Aahhahahahahaha SpeedEvil Jul 31 21:25:16 Good one :P Jul 31 21:26:54 nice Jul 31 21:28:23 ok ceni script is broken for as-hoc in sidux Jul 31 21:28:27 ad Jul 31 21:28:58 but with manual config, client connects to n900 hotspot Jul 31 21:29:22 just no NAT happinness Jul 31 21:30:31 echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is done Jul 31 21:31:41 siema gejuchy Jul 31 22:35:21 well still no NAT workin Jul 31 22:36:19 10.49.76.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 Jul 31 22:36:19 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 gprs1 Jul 31 22:36:53 is that a correct routing table for the n900 running mobile hotspot? Jul 31 22:57:31 guys Jul 31 22:57:59 What is the benefit/use of Asterisk on the N900/Maemo Jul 31 22:58:07 hey all Jul 31 22:58:51 mobile VoIP? *shrugs* Jul 31 23:47:18 lol this manual install method of packages that I've previously setup n900 with and now using dpkg method is painstakingly slow Jul 31 23:47:55 psycho_oreos, hmm? Jul 31 23:49:55 lcuk, what I've done was repacked all my deb files from my previous n900 setup. My intention was to start from scratch again because I was pissed off how various things weren't working right (long story). Now as I refuse to go through apt-get method and/or ham (because my internet connection is already shaped plus I'm using it to download other things which will only cause installation to lag when downloading) I'm pretty much stuck with dpkg me Jul 31 23:49:55 thod Jul 31 23:51:44 as you know dpkg doesn't handles deps properly, much like rpm.. they're just backends that deal with issues apart from deps and for everytime there's a dependency unmet it just means I have to go back and remove that package if I can't install the deps, etc Jul 31 23:59:46 ahhh psycho_oreos so you just made life more difficult! Aug 01 00:00:09 for similar, i would try something like maintaining bacup of the apt cache folder thingy Aug 01 00:00:19 for all the debs it gets and uses Aug 01 00:00:29 and then do a dpkg -i *.deb Aug 01 00:00:57 but its just easier to restore from backup Aug 01 00:01:10 and let ham do what it needs with the installed apps list Aug 01 00:03:03 lcuk, hmm interesting, never actually bothered with that sort of method but its kinda like a habit routine that you have to get into Aug 01 00:05:25 *sigh* for now I'll just have to bear with it :) bear and grin Aug 01 00:05:56 there should be another way to counteract it, I suppose using diff and then extracting out the user installed packages Aug 01 00:06:36 but you need the deps too, so the cache would be simplest for that Aug 01 00:06:40 anyway, gnite \o Aug 01 00:06:50 heh, nite Aug 01 00:07:01 * psycho_oreos facepalms self Aug 01 00:16:59 http://www.thesistersofmercy.com/misc/deardok.htm Aug 01 01:01:18 julian assange Aug 01 01:01:23 god? bless tis man ...he is a modern day hero Aug 01 02:14:44 wow Aug 01 02:14:57 picking up my N810 after ~2 weeks, I really miss its size Aug 01 02:15:21 :/ Aug 01 02:15:24 yeah Aug 01 02:15:38 there are times I'd like a 20% larger thingy. Aug 01 02:15:59 But then, when I realise how I can easily fit it in small cases, it's not so bad. Aug 01 02:16:05 and keyboard Aug 01 02:16:16 SpeedEvil: I use my N810's case for N900 Aug 01 02:16:49 I would really like a case that would enable access to the headphone jack Aug 01 02:17:09 lost my CP-321 recently so I'm looking for a new one Aug 01 02:17:10 I have one, but it's not a great case. Aug 01 02:17:20 pekuja: Bluetooth? Aug 01 02:17:31 luke-jr: no, it's a case Aug 01 02:17:37 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HARD-CRYSTAL-CLEAR-CASE-COVER-SKIN-SHELL-NOKIA-N900-/130412870026?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhonesCasesPouches&hash=item1e5d36798a Aug 01 02:17:43 http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/carrying-and-styling/carrying-cases/nokia-carrying-case-cp-321-for-nokia-n900 Aug 01 02:17:49 the official one Aug 01 02:17:52 pretty lame, I must say Aug 01 02:18:02 SpeedEvil: ah, that kind of case Aug 01 02:19:49 pekuja: Bluetooth headphones don't need a special case Aug 01 02:20:09 luke-jr: eh, I'm talking about the N900 Aug 01 02:20:21 me too Aug 01 02:20:39 luke-jr: ah, right, sorry Aug 01 02:20:42 luke-jr: it's late Aug 01 02:20:45 … Aug 01 02:21:03 luke-jr: didn't quite understand what you were saying... Aug 01 02:21:08 anyways, that's not a bad suggestion Aug 01 02:21:24 if you love your wires, you could always drill a hole too Aug 01 02:21:26 <.< Aug 01 02:21:29 although I imagine the audio quality isn't too good for music and such Aug 01 02:21:55 uh? Aug 01 02:22:06 digital Bluetooth quality is going to be better than an analog wire Aug 01 02:25:49 I wouldn't be so sure about that Aug 01 02:26:08 the other problem though is that BT headphones are expensive and require batteries Aug 01 02:26:21 I think I got mine for like $10 Aug 01 02:26:25 including a simple charger Aug 01 02:26:41 decent bluetooth headphones are not $10. Aug 01 02:26:53 luke-jr: and you think they sound better than regular wired headphones? I doubt that. Aug 01 02:27:05 pekuja: honestly, I don't use either Aug 01 02:27:10 I doubt I could tell the difference Aug 01 02:40:06 pekuja, bluetooth is digital - and compressed, which means that it sounds *worse* than those horrible analog wires. ;-) Aug 01 02:40:47 yeah, basically that's what I understand is that there's so little bandwidth in BT that the sound quality isn't too good Aug 01 02:41:12 pekuja, they compress it a lot, much more than a typical MP3 or something. Aug 01 02:43:40 EdLin: they do? Aug 01 02:48:23 anyone know why my n900 time is always around 1min fast? Aug 01 02:48:40 does it get the time from gsm or network timeserver? Aug 01 02:49:40 I wondered that about my sms messages the senders time is always 8minutes fast Aug 01 02:50:02 Psi, T-Mobile US changed DST several hours wrong recently and all of their phones showed the wrong time and had calendar malfunctions. Aug 01 02:50:05 for me its always 1min fast, i can set it correct but its back 1 min fast when i look at it later Aug 01 02:50:06 my time is updated from my phone carrier Aug 01 02:50:06 Psi: I would think GPS Aug 01 02:50:13 Psi: GSM Aug 01 02:50:17 luke-jr: not GPS Aug 01 02:50:26 SpeedEvil: why trust GSM over GPS? Aug 01 02:50:35 should be the same anyway no? Aug 01 02:50:42 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10163 Aug 01 02:50:42 Bug 10163: GPS does not automatically set time of device. Aug 01 02:50:43 ham5: obviously not in this case Aug 01 02:50:45 Who knows Aug 01 02:50:50 and what of people w/o GSM? Aug 01 02:51:05 luke-jr, use wifi to use NTP I guess. Aug 01 02:51:18 luke-jr: doesn't set it here either with GSM - UK Aug 01 02:51:25 EdLin: meh, ntpd doesn't require netwrok Aug 01 02:51:36 ntpd can pair up with gpsd ☺ Aug 01 02:51:42 :) Aug 01 02:52:26 has anyone managed to compile a more recent g++ version (i need 4.5) and fiddle it into the MADDE cross compilation environment? Aug 01 02:53:03 i wonder if the MADDE source code you can get from gitorious is supposed to build a working g++ which can be copied into the fremantle 1.2 MADDE Aug 01 02:53:29 sECuRE: GCC 4.5 is totally broken on ARM from what I hear Aug 01 02:53:36 no, it’s not Aug 01 02:53:44 i can build it outside the tree and compile my stuff just fine Aug 01 02:53:48 sECuRE: furthermore, GCC 4.4+ output is not binary compatible with <4.4 Aug 01 02:53:50 but i want to have it inside MADDE Aug 01 02:54:02 sECuRE: I wonder how much testing you've done Aug 01 02:54:14 i compiled an application using qt 4.6 and it successfully runs on my n900 Aug 01 02:54:32 luck, I guess Aug 01 02:54:45 I've had good luck with some apps too Aug 01 02:54:48 like strace Aug 01 02:54:53 other apps, not so much luck ☹ Aug 01 02:55:00 hum, ok Aug 01 02:55:13 still, i want to try replacing the g++ inside my MADDE Aug 01 02:55:35 (just copying over the files from the built g++ from toolchain-from-scratch.sh brings errors: Aug 01 02:56:05 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-g++: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory Aug 01 02:57:02 ah, hang on Aug 01 02:59:23 ah, needed to copy ~/cross-build/arm-long/tools/libexec/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.3.3/ since the gcc in the released MADDE is 4.2.1, but the one used in the meego source is newer Aug 01 02:59:29 now lets fix the next error **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 01 02:59:57 2010