**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 01 02:59:57 2010 Aug 01 03:01:49 assume you need to copy everything, obviously Aug 01 03:03:37 yeah Aug 01 03:08:52 alright, works now :) Aug 01 03:09:04 lets compile 4.5.0 with the same options and see if i can drop it in, too Aug 01 03:10:34 EdLin: Psi: If you enable "automatic time settings" in date/time in settings, then time is set from GSM. You can install several NTP tools though, to get time from nternet, and I guess you can setup ntpd to sync with GPS time as well Aug 01 03:11:17 DocScrutinizer: set through GSM if your provider supports this. It diddn't work for me Aug 01 03:11:41 SpeedEvil: obviously that' a prerequisite - yes Aug 01 03:12:56 I wonder when maemo is setting RTC Aug 01 03:15:32 nice, my clocks (sys and RTC) are pretty in sync - and >60s off. And automatic setting is disabled Aug 01 03:15:49 so I can check what's going on when enabling it Aug 01 03:16:45 wooosh, both on the second accurate Aug 01 03:20:38 * DocScrutinizer pondering about NOT nstalling ntpd, instead prefers a script to check for actual network traffic >0 like every hour or so, and only then use ntpdate to get a sync sneaked in to already active data transmissions Aug 01 03:22:08 alternatively start that ntpdate sync on wlan connection up, and stop it on down Aug 01 03:23:47 ntpd uses almost nothinganyway Aug 01 03:24:11 yep, but that nothing happens too often and to mindlessly Aug 01 03:24:46 ntpd not built for machines with temporary internet connection Aug 01 03:25:16 yeah Aug 01 03:25:22 and for sure not for machines that crank up power hungry 3G on ntpd's packets Aug 01 03:26:59 I 'never' have 3G active when I care about battery life, so I don't mind about that. Aug 01 03:27:22 mhm Aug 01 03:28:19 anyway doing a ntpdate max once every hour, and only when there's actually some other traffic active, seems a sensible approach Aug 01 03:29:21 starting ntpd in ifup, and stopping it in ifdown the cheap way Aug 01 03:29:51 hi, does anyone know if the N810 can support 16GB SDHC cards? the official specs say only up to 8GB but I think I've seen someone say (forgot where) that he/she uses a 16GB card Aug 01 03:30:19 hmm, probably does Aug 01 03:30:36 probably even supports 32G Aug 01 03:31:00 heh ok. I don't think I've seen 32G around here though, so I guess 16GB would be ok. thanks :) Aug 01 03:31:27 they are like 120$ Aug 01 03:31:36 I'm not in the US Aug 01 03:31:38 last time I cheked Aug 01 03:33:54 now if only connecting to computers through USB was reliable and has fast transfer speeds, I can forego needing a separate USB stick for portable stuff ... anyway thanks :) Aug 01 03:56:32 Jucato: I'm pretty sure USB networking is faster than SD :p Aug 01 03:58:12 luke-jr: I meant that transferring files to/from the SDHC card in the N810 to/from a computer connected through the USB cable isn't as fast as transferring using a USB stick. there's also times (often on a Linux computer) when N810 will use the external memory (SDHC) while connected so the desktop will only "see" the Internal 2G memory Aug 01 03:58:38 sometimes it's in reverse, sometimes both memories are seen. on Windows it almost always works fine though Aug 01 03:58:55 … Aug 01 03:59:07 or just use scp Aug 01 04:01:46 yes, that's what I usually do when I'm at home with my own network. but not when I'm outside. unfortunately, my nokia 5230 is a more reliable "USB stick" :( Aug 01 06:43:51 morning andre__ Aug 01 07:18:14 heja Stskeeps Aug 01 07:30:45 nice way to start the night! just got served a summons for small claims court! luckily its not for me :P Aug 01 07:46:17 how can a webpage be launched from the commandline? I tried "browser http://www.wolframalpha.com" and it ignores the argument Aug 01 07:46:45 use browser --url Aug 01 07:46:57 thanks Aug 01 07:47:04 unixSnob, You can also do it with a dbus command. Aug 01 07:47:47 i tried dbus-monitor to see if I could see how to do it that way, and I didn't see any urls going through Aug 01 07:48:02 like this: dbus-send --type=method_call --dest com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr /com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr.LaunchApplication string:browser Aug 01 07:48:16 unixSnob, I use it in one of my programs - give me a minute, and I'll dig it out. Aug 01 07:48:57 gobuki: i don't see an URL in there Aug 01 07:49:22 s/an/a/ Aug 01 07:49:51 hamilton5: your english is wrong Aug 01 07:50:04 unixSnob: look here http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-call it's listed under dbus-send-google Aug 01 07:50:17 k snob Aug 01 07:50:27 lol Aug 01 07:50:34 :-D Aug 01 07:51:37 s/dbus-send-call/dbus-send-google/ Aug 01 07:51:38 gobuki meant: unixSnob: look here http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-google it's listed under dbus-send-google Aug 01 07:52:11 thanks gobuki Aug 01 07:52:15 unixSnob, /usr/bin/dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=\"com.nokia.osso_browser\" /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:\"www.cnn.com\" Aug 01 07:52:51 good to know.. know I can see youtube and flash things when sitting at my desktop Aug 01 07:53:00 gnash pretty much sucks Aug 01 07:53:07 s/know/now/ Aug 01 08:22:07 morning, Maemo Aug 01 08:23:28 who has done USB passthrough with ubuntu 9.04? I'm having can't have dual gateways and for some reason, making default route go to wireless internet fails Aug 01 08:23:49 I'm having issues such as dual gateways* Aug 01 08:25:01 dual gate ways huh Aug 01 08:25:18 as long as u have the usb networkin enabled for your kernel Aug 01 08:25:23 its pretty stright forward Aug 01 08:25:27 networking setup Aug 01 08:26:08 it is but everytime I ifup usb0 it will drop internet connection from ppp0, because default gw points to usb0 instead of ppp0 Aug 01 08:26:09 as root ifconfig -a see if you see a usb0 on both Aug 01 08:26:33 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking <-- actually I'm loosely following that guide Aug 01 08:27:00 so bring up usb0 before ppp0 ? Aug 01 08:27:14 or make new route after usb0 Aug 01 08:27:30 yeah but the default gw should only remain as ppp0 not changed to usb0, maybe I can just add extra up lines Aug 01 08:27:52 hmm there's another issue with that I'm using network-manager to handle with ppp0 Aug 01 08:28:05 I suppose I could give it a try Aug 01 08:28:36 word up 4:20 give it a try Aug 01 08:29:30 heh its 18:28 here (6:28pm) Aug 01 08:31:40 talking of networking, does the n900 support any kind of tethering out-of-the-box? Aug 01 08:31:57 what is that Aug 01 08:32:07 hi everyone! Aug 01 08:32:09 i have mobile hotspot semi-working Aug 01 08:32:12 if you can set it up command line Aug 01 08:32:29 (i have no idea what the "PC Suite" does on Windows, but i'm surprised there is no NAT in the default kernel, given that tethering is quite a popular feature) Aug 01 08:32:32 few apps to use your gsm internet Aug 01 08:33:04 i mean, are there any that work with the default kernel, and in general why on earth doesn't the default kernel do NAT? Aug 01 08:33:04 hosts are going to start blocking it if it gets to out of control Aug 01 08:33:12 i mean, do iptables in general Aug 01 08:33:28 iptables for just a client... why Aug 01 08:33:36 BCMM: default unit is a very new phone OS and priority is features. but unlike iphone our community let you do anything with device Aug 01 08:33:49 oh, i know Aug 01 08:33:50 priority is NOT features Aug 01 08:34:20 it just surprises me that iptables isn't in the default kernel for a communications device Aug 01 08:34:40 it started to bother me when i discovered that fcam doesn't like kernel-power Aug 01 08:35:15 Morning, all Aug 01 08:35:19 crashanddie: yup, got the links Aug 01 08:35:22 crashanddie: Thanks Aug 01 08:35:34 np, glad I could help Aug 01 08:37:00 Jaffa: if there's anything else you need Aug 01 08:39:33 BCMM: maybe only few consumers need nat or iptables? Aug 01 08:42:45 few consumers need nat yes, but filtering I disagree Aug 01 08:42:56 (though they shouldn't have to use iptables scripts) Aug 01 08:43:37 why u would need filtering? Aug 01 08:44:12 do not run servers is simpler solution Aug 01 08:47:00 and there is really not other daemons than ssh and http listening openly Aug 01 08:47:48 and those u have to install yourself, and if u have those u probably want to get to device from outside Aug 01 08:47:52 yes, but my point is not about known servers, rather than potentially untrusted applications Aug 01 08:48:11 (and filtering is not only inbound) Aug 01 08:49:20 if you install untrusted application, those can remove any preset rules so what would be thepoint? Aug 01 08:50:13 they could do that at install time, not runtime Aug 01 08:50:41 they could add daemons, startup scriipts .. what ever Aug 01 08:50:43 anyway, you think filtering is useless, I disagree, that's all Aug 01 08:51:23 only if you can guard the filering@which you can not.. and then you need to guard the guard ..etc. Aug 01 08:51:37 crashanddie: I raised bug 11040 too Aug 01 08:51:38 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11040 Profile list pages get slower and slower to render Aug 01 08:52:07 Jaffa: yeah, I'm assuming it queries the whole list, rather than using intelligent pagination Aug 01 08:52:15 crashanddie: Indeed Aug 01 08:54:02 hmm Aug 01 08:54:14 is it just me.. or is thsi bug empty? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11042 Aug 01 08:54:15 Bug 11042: MMS Aug 01 08:55:19 Jaffa: also, I noticed that around 200, the pages stops loading alltogether Aug 01 08:55:28 Jaffa: which your graph seems to display as well Aug 01 08:55:34 crashanddie: Yup Aug 01 08:56:13 Jaffa: is that code open source? Aug 01 08:56:20 crashanddie: Should be Aug 01 08:59:04 can't seem to find it in http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/maemo2midgard/ Aug 01 09:01:29 I love X-Fade's comments on the SVN commits... "Little bastard gave me grief." Aug 01 09:02:29 crashanddie: Maybe it's coming from upstream midgard? Aug 01 09:03:19 hamilton5, thanks :) you solved half the puzzle, the other half was solved by me, which still needs manual override of default gw Aug 01 09:04:00 Jaffa: nope, it's here all right. Found the display page: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/midgard-data/style/maemo2009/profile/show-list-item.php?root=maemo2midgard&view=markup Aug 01 09:04:13 crashanddie: http://www.google.com/search?q=org_openpsa_qbpager+-inurl%3Amaemo.org%2Fprofile+-inurl%3Agreywolves.org&btnG=Search&hl=en&sa=2 is helpful too Aug 01 09:04:33 crashanddie: http://trac.midgard-project.org/browser/trunk/midgardmvc/org_openpsa_qbpager Aug 01 09:08:04 Jaffa: yeah, but from what I can tell that's just the pager module Aug 01 09:08:11 Jaffa: doesn't actually do any user-querying Aug 01 09:10:55 X-Fade: why the hell aren't you working on sundays, eh? Aug 01 09:12:21 cos he works enough during the week? :P Aug 01 09:20:13 \ Aug 01 09:21:29 / Aug 01 09:22:06 your sheild is no match for me Aug 01 09:22:10 pew pew pew Aug 01 09:22:13 :P Aug 01 09:23:10 | Aug 01 09:23:23 (look mom! no virtual kbd!) Aug 01 09:23:25 − Aug 01 09:24:14 ##/{ Aug 01 09:24:19 m[ Aug 01 09:24:23 hah Aug 01 09:24:34 catches shots and sends them back Aug 01 09:24:44 (that m is a spring) Aug 01 09:30:22 kerio, looks more like perl Aug 01 09:30:26 :D Aug 01 09:57:22 Does the iPhone web browser support multiple windows or tabs? Aug 01 09:59:21 alterego: this is probably a bad place to ask :P Aug 01 10:00:29 there's always ##apple Aug 01 10:00:30 Well, I don't want to go into #iphone as I'd probably get caught in the Steve Jobs distortion field. Aug 01 10:00:39 alterego, yes. tabs-kind of thing Aug 01 10:01:05 okay, that's cool Aug 01 10:01:37 alterego, think, webOS cards or MeeGo (handset) windows Aug 01 10:01:48 but it looks like it reloads them when you switch Aug 01 10:01:59 so you have 2 or 3 tabs open Aug 01 10:02:11 i think it's just 2 Aug 01 10:02:17 and then next tabs are fake tabs Aug 01 10:02:34 jacekowski, indication it is still a POS :) :P Aug 01 10:02:34 Interesting, presumably lack of resources. Aug 01 10:03:51 I wonder if that's the same on the iPad Aug 01 10:04:35 think ipad has less RAM available Aug 01 10:04:50 err less RAM available compared to iphone 4 Aug 01 10:05:35 Well, the iPad is a 3GS generation device. Aug 01 10:06:00 I'm sure the iPad (4) will be amazing, with it's cool sleek external antenna design :) Aug 01 10:06:03 more like enlarged *snickers* Aug 01 10:06:22 And un-ergonomic styling. Aug 01 10:08:35 and steve jobs will be up there again making stories up.. or the media will put words in his mouth.. no two stories agree with each other as we all know what jobs is like anyway Aug 01 10:08:51 he'll remain frail but continuing to maintain power from his death bed *ducks* Aug 01 10:10:28 psycho_oreos, jobs is supposed to be god, not the godfather or something :P Aug 01 10:11:17 TermanaN900, hardly any different to me.. he probably plays multiple roles Aug 01 10:12:37 psycho_oreos, including The Leacher Aug 01 10:15:03 TermanaN900, leacher? Aug 01 10:16:35 psycho_oreos, well i mean, they take a lot of open source and either a) license major changes differently or b) change and keep propriatary (if the license allows) Aug 01 10:17:04 so, i think its fair to say Jobs and Co. are leachers off of open source Aug 01 10:17:19 TermanaN900, I define that as code thief :) but that's no different to gates/ballmer Aug 01 10:18:05 Jaffa: wasn't able to find anything interesting for the user list, will have to ask someone who worked on the code previously Aug 01 10:18:10 psycho_oreos, does it look like im defending them either? :P Aug 01 10:18:44 makes me think back to that documentary, pirates of the silicon valley.."Good artists copy, great artists steal" - picasso Aug 01 10:18:57 TermanaN900: you're always playing the devil's advocate, so, "Yes" is my answer. Aug 01 10:19:26 psycho_oreos: I'm not exactly sure Picasso was thinking about source code though Aug 01 10:19:28 psycho_oreos: why do you quote a documentary that quotes a painter rather than quoting the painter directly? Aug 01 10:19:28 TermanaN900, nope but that's good :) mac fans don't mix well with linux fans Aug 01 10:19:38 psycho_oreos: wtf? Aug 01 10:19:51 psycho_oreos: I'm a mac fan, also a thorough linux fan Aug 01 10:20:17 ... hello, and I am a PC =) Aug 01 10:20:26 Corsac, no but you can treat it as an analogy rather than a direct comparison Aug 01 10:20:27 crashanddie: no you're not, you _have_ to choose! Aug 01 10:20:46 Dmitrys, :P Aug 01 10:20:47 crashanddie, because the quote doesn't belong to me :) Aug 01 10:20:48 Corsac: NOOOOOOOOOOOO Aug 01 10:20:49 psycho_oreos: I was kinda ironic, too Aug 01 10:21:01 gentlemen, wtf you're talking about again and again? =) Aug 01 10:21:07 Corsac, well I fell through :P Aug 01 10:21:27 Dmitrys: as usual, some idiot is talking about copyright, and somehow managed to include Apple in the discussion. Aug 01 10:21:30 crashanddie, there are parts where I'm sure you will come to terms in dispute :) Aug 01 10:22:01 omg... it's escalading again =( Aug 01 10:22:29 and the person who refers to the other person as an idiot missed what was said :p Aug 01 10:22:31 c'mon people... just stop it... useless =) Aug 01 10:22:34 psycho_oreos: ok, I'll bite. "Linux is nice when you're a student and have no money and all, but OSX is just when you're an adult, and can't be bothered to recompile your kernel ever two weeks" Aug 01 10:22:52 Aug 01 10:23:09 crashanddie that's right =) Aug 01 10:23:15 crashanddie, I can't see how maemo was designed to make the user/owner compile their kernels? elaborate? Aug 01 10:23:33 did I say Maemo? Aug 01 10:23:42 did I hear Mac? Aug 01 10:24:03 MohammadAG51 what about particular Mac? Aug 01 10:24:13 mac fans Aug 01 10:24:15 and yes maybe apple's products are nice but I'd hate to be controlled.. the lack of freedom on iphone for example is apparent Aug 01 10:24:16 MohammadAG51: Seth MacFarlane? Aug 01 10:24:16 ppl are talking about differences Aug 01 10:24:24 crashanddie, that's the one, ty Aug 01 10:24:31 no you didn't say a maemo but you're trying to stereotype no? Aug 01 10:24:38 betweeen god sake mac and linux Aug 01 10:24:55 they both pwn windows, EOF Aug 01 10:25:00 )))))))) Aug 01 10:25:29 psycho_oreos: yes, "tongue in cheek" should've warned you about the sarcasm in my comment ;) Aug 01 10:25:46 psycho_oreos: now get off your high horses and go troll somewhere else Aug 01 10:25:46 os x is a really nice desktop OS Aug 01 10:25:53 * psycho_oreos sighs Aug 01 10:25:55 probably better than foobuntu Aug 01 10:26:05 heeey! maemo is not ubuntu... it's not a DESKTOPPY linukz =) Aug 01 10:26:09 crashanddie, since when was I trolling? Aug 01 10:26:16 for servers or embedded systems... linux ftfw Aug 01 10:26:20 since the globe went flat Aug 01 10:26:23 kerio: if only the updates could be less than 5Gigs :P Aug 01 10:26:57 kerio: the software update app is yelling at me for the past couple weeks because I don't have enough space on the HD so it can update the system :P Aug 01 10:27:01 crashanddie: yeah :( i'm on a crappy connection atm, cba to download stuff for 6 hours Aug 01 10:27:42 I use my phobe get about 2.5Mb Aug 01 10:27:49 kinda reminds of maemo in a way :P "Not enough free space available to update" :P Aug 01 10:27:52 allright! what about meego? what is the current stage of adaptation for n900? Aug 01 10:28:01 15 minutes for an average software update on ubuntu Aug 01 10:28:04 #meego Aug 01 10:28:05 Dmitrys: "not much" Aug 01 10:28:12 alterego: regular updates, sure Aug 01 10:28:14 still useless? Aug 01 10:28:17 #meego Aug 01 10:28:20 alterego: well, again, depends of the network Aug 01 10:28:31 the Enterprise solution is to release bigass updates in a pack Aug 01 10:28:35 nice, I'll keep my eye in that channel Aug 01 10:28:41 MohammadAG51 thank you mr. Mohammad - I am already there... Aug 01 10:28:42 kerio: I did a clean install and update yesterday, 20 minutes using my N900 Aug 01 10:28:56 Dmitrys, then ask there :) Aug 01 10:29:02 alterego: I can give you the address of a luxury hotel in Brisbane where updating a fresh install of ubuntu (one of my vm images) took over 2 weeks :D Aug 01 10:29:05 and we all know that's the Only True Way Aug 01 10:29:06 I'm quite lucky, I've got good 3G connection here. Aug 01 10:29:20 MohammadAG51 no diff btw meego and maemo at the moment Aug 01 10:29:23 crashanddie: you were there for two weeks? :) Aug 01 10:29:25 crashanddie, OS X is lovely. I was stuck on 10.5.6 on an install, too old to get Safari 4. But it let me update iTunes. But I then couldn't access the store AT ALL - I needed to update Safari for that Aug 01 10:29:27 Catch 22 Aug 01 10:29:30 Dmitrys: wait, what? Aug 01 10:29:31 MohammadAG51 this is the way it lives Aug 01 10:29:37 uhuh Aug 01 10:29:50 Termana: ouch Aug 01 10:30:11 crashanddie i see no difference excluding UI Aug 01 10:30:21 LOL Aug 01 10:30:24 Dmitrys, lol what? Aug 01 10:30:25 =) Aug 01 10:30:41 Dmitrys: you do realise that maemo is based off debian, and meego is well... not? Aug 01 10:30:46 Someone tell me he is kidding Aug 01 10:30:50 He is kidding right? Aug 01 10:30:53 Termana, he isn't Aug 01 10:31:01 * Termana dies Aug 01 10:31:02 trolling Aug 01 10:31:04 sry ppl! I meant purpose! Aug 01 10:31:04 blind Aug 01 10:31:10 * MohammadAG51 kill -9s Termana Aug 01 10:31:26 MohammadAG51: oh noes, you killed 9 seconds off Termana's life! Aug 01 10:31:28 You bastard! Aug 01 10:31:31 meego personal setup: Aug 01 10:31:34 c'mon! =) Aug 01 10:31:37 1) yum install apt4rpm Aug 01 10:31:41 crashanddie, no, I used kill -9 :P Aug 01 10:31:43 2) apt-get remove yum Aug 01 10:31:50 MohammadAG51: no, you used -9s Aug 01 10:31:57 MohammadAG51, shouldn't -9 kill my parent processes as well. What did they ever do to you!? :P Aug 01 10:32:03 crashanddie, it was used as a verb :P Aug 01 10:32:22 MohammadAG51: you're going to be used as a verb in the past tense if you keep going like this :P Aug 01 10:32:26 I could really do with removing long keypress in favour key repeat ... Aug 01 10:32:31 crashanddie, cool Aug 01 10:32:38 Backspace is a pain-in-the-ass Aug 01 10:32:38 alterego: you can Aug 01 10:32:47 gconf Aug 01 10:32:49 kerio: I presumed so :P Aug 01 10:32:51 there's a gconf setting Aug 01 10:32:54 alterego: a space in the back? Aug 01 10:33:01 Oh great, you got the path? Aug 01 10:33:06 i'd also like to remove sticky mod keys Aug 01 10:33:11 "So, what happened to that troll in #maemo the other day?" "He was MohammadAG'd" "Oh, ouch, that's gotta hurt". Aug 01 10:33:32 lol Aug 01 10:33:45 Heh Aug 01 10:33:45 Damn I'm bored Aug 01 10:33:51 Noticed that Aug 01 10:34:02 get off your arse and sudo make me a driver Aug 01 10:34:12 nha, can't really dev Aug 01 10:34:20 I used sudo :( Aug 01 10:34:27 I hurt my back the other day, I have to sit in the couch Aug 01 10:34:49 and dev'ing with only one 13" screen is a pita Aug 01 10:35:03 MohammadAG51, try sudo gainroot ; sudo make me a driver Aug 01 10:35:08 :P Aug 01 10:35:12 err Aug 01 10:35:18 without the second sudo Aug 01 10:35:21 sudo sudo sudo make me a driver Aug 01 10:35:22 Termana: you're sudo'ing from root? :P Aug 01 10:35:25 Termana, no tty, I can't use the spawned shell Aug 01 10:35:58 MohammadAG51: can you spawn hell? Aug 01 10:36:08 crashanddie, just making absolutely sure I'm executing as root!!!111!! Aug 01 10:36:13 crashanddie, no, but I can have you spawned in it :P Aug 01 10:36:25 Termana, rm -rf /usr Aug 01 10:36:32 I'm already spawned. I though re-spawning was impossible? Aug 01 10:36:35 +t Aug 01 10:36:48 crashanddie, impossible is nothing Aug 01 10:37:27 hi all, is there a way I can make an application start automatically as soon as the wireless connection goes down? Aug 01 10:37:56 Most probably, using a daemon Aug 01 10:38:00 create a daemon that listens on dbus? Aug 01 10:38:21 /etc/network/ifdown.d Aug 01 10:38:21 ah right, it's all controlled through there is it Aug 01 10:38:27 ahh Aug 01 10:38:30 Or whereever it is Aug 01 10:39:01 yes, that could be the go... thanks for that, I'll check it out Aug 01 10:39:02 misc--: there's also the ICD2 framework (or whatever it's called) Aug 01 10:39:43 misc--: which can give you hooks on specific actions (specific wifi connection with specific BSSID is connected, goes down), 3g switches to wifi, etc Aug 01 10:39:46 oh ok, I haven't heard of that but thanks =) I'll take a look if the if-down.d doesn't work Aug 01 10:39:57 ohhhh that sounds exactly what I'm after Aug 01 10:40:57 actually, I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but sometimes when on 3g, it just does not connect to wireless automatically, even though I've set it up in the settings. Most times it works, but about 30% of the time it does not connect to wireless automatically Aug 01 10:41:10 (using titan's kernel, if that's relevant) Aug 01 10:41:58 crashanddie, 3G to wifi? Aug 01 10:42:06 crashanddie, why don't most apps use that Aug 01 10:42:15 meh, why am I asking you Aug 01 10:43:39 misc--: I think it has to do with how many apps are actually attempting to use new connections Aug 01 10:43:54 misc--: if an app attempts to create new connections, it might search periodically for wifi in vicinity Aug 01 10:44:15 misc--: if however, the apps use the same tube, so the internet connection daemon doesn't get called, no search. Aug 01 10:44:36 at least, that's how I'd have coded it :P Aug 01 10:45:03 crashanddie, even though that sound kind of flawed, you still admit thats how you would have coded it? :P Aug 01 10:45:06 ahhh, so current connections means that wifi searcher doesn't get called because there are still active connections, where as new connections would force a wifi search to be done, or something? Aug 01 10:45:45 Termana: it's not flawed. It's the next best option to save battery life (as compared to searching for wifi every 10 minutes) Aug 01 10:46:13 Termana: and yeah, I usually tend to code what I'm asked, even though I'm rarely the one who decides what it should do :) Aug 01 10:46:41 battery life? Who needs that Aug 01 10:46:44 misc--: that's how I'd explain the lack of "wifi detection" on a regular basis Aug 01 10:46:48 :D Aug 01 10:47:11 Seriously though, is it just me or do the FM daemons suck the life out of your battery? Aug 01 10:47:44 fm usually does Aug 01 10:47:45 I installed one of the FM players and noticed my battery life went down. It greatly improved when i uninstalled it Aug 01 10:47:54 crashanddie: ok that's interesting. I don't care that there are existing connections on 3g, I would just prefer it to switch right away (or at least whenever the 5 minute search happens). Oh well Aug 01 10:49:03 MohammadAG51: did you see the light painting warfare video? Aug 01 10:49:13 MohammadAG51: you have access to youtube, and all that, yeah? Aug 01 10:49:15 :P Aug 01 10:49:35 :P Aug 01 10:49:50 YouTube is owned by the big bad Google, so MohammadAG51 doesn't go there Aug 01 10:50:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SWfPoITlP8 Aug 01 10:50:46 excellent video Aug 01 10:50:56 Hrm, can't find the gconf key. Aug 01 10:51:10 Or at leaset the one I toggled didn't seem to do it. Aug 01 10:52:45 lcuk: ping Aug 01 10:53:07 hey alterego Aug 01 10:53:21 crashanddie, thats like the light games you played around your bike Aug 01 10:53:30 lcuk: yup Aug 01 10:53:33 I was just thinking, you said you split up your YUV into a planar representation Aug 01 10:53:42 lcuk: except I did maybe 10 pictures worth of it, they did 500 pictures, with a story :P Aug 01 10:53:55 yeah crashanddie that looks awesome Aug 01 10:54:18 Don't you just need the intensity? You shouldn't have needed colour for your inverse AR stjff :) Aug 01 10:54:24 I wouldn't have thought. Aug 01 10:54:53 alterego, i grabbed the one I wrote for the n810 and I still have to use the planar to render the live camera image Aug 01 10:55:02 so the conversion is full color Aug 01 10:55:12 Ah, fair nuff Aug 01 10:55:32 (and on the n810 even included a color muting routine which reduced intensity of the UV planes by half to remove most of the grainyness Aug 01 10:56:00 I was just wondering, as it'd make things a lot quicker if you didn't use UV :) Aug 01 10:56:10 yeah but now I am glad I did Aug 01 10:56:22 Heh Aug 01 10:56:27 because the point sourcesidentified can now be checked for hue Aug 01 10:56:36 and I can make sure I only pick out certain bright spots Aug 01 10:56:36 Right Aug 01 10:56:43 ie if I want red lights or something Aug 01 10:59:34 lcuk: another one from the same guy which is pretty cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=031Dshcnso4 Aug 01 11:01:57 oh cool crashanddie Aug 01 11:02:27 my mum would love that, she would sit in bedrom shooting into the garden just to fill it with flowers Aug 01 11:02:55 Any YouTube Client for N900 that still works? Aug 01 11:02:59 I can fap to this Aug 01 11:03:01 :P Kidding Aug 01 11:03:09 Dassu: microb? Aug 01 11:03:19 Dassu, zutube (or w/e) doesn't work? Aug 01 11:03:20 Dassu, native browser works for me Aug 01 11:03:26 zoutube* Aug 01 11:07:45 Termana: Zoutube doesn't work and hasn't worked for few months. The fix was posted but it was never implemented Aug 01 11:08:00 Imho microb is way too slow. Aug 01 11:08:14 You know what to do! Aug 01 11:08:17 OVERCLOCK! Aug 01 11:08:18 * Termana runs Aug 01 11:08:23 .... Aug 01 11:08:24 :P lol Aug 01 11:08:26 Dassu: too slow for what? Aug 01 11:08:35 It plays you tube videos finel Aug 01 11:08:36 Dassu, its a joke Aug 01 11:08:38 Too slow for that type of lash Aug 01 11:08:39 *flash Aug 01 11:08:44 As long as you buffer them first Aug 01 11:09:19 alterego: yes, but it takes time to load and meanwhile the whole device seems to be running at 100% Aug 01 11:10:09 I even use minitube on my Linux laptop because of the flash Aug 01 11:10:39 flash sucks tbh Aug 01 11:11:01 it 100%s my 1.7GHz (signle core) laptop Aug 01 11:11:13 barely touches my i5 Aug 01 11:13:06 It locks up my poor EEE PC :P Aug 01 11:13:20 hello... if I started writing an app for maemo now, should I choose gtk or qt? Aug 01 11:13:26 qt Aug 01 11:13:27 Flash is somewhat of a resource hog. Aug 01 11:13:28 liori, qt Aug 01 11:13:46 Any browser with HTML5 video support on the N900 atm? Aug 01 11:13:48 But what are the current alternatives. We're a slave to idiot web designers aswell :) Aug 01 11:13:49 alterego, somewhat? Aug 01 11:14:06 I guess the nightly Chrome builds could be used with HTML5 video on the n900? Aug 01 11:14:15 ...which leads to another question: is there a pleasant language which works on maemo and has good bindings to qt? Aug 01 11:14:24 Termana, wouldn't flash be faster? Aug 01 11:14:25 current alternatives == silverlight Aug 01 11:14:33 chrome is kind of a proof of concept Aug 01 11:14:39 (c++ is not pleasant, python lacks static typing) Aug 01 11:14:39 Termana: MicroB but only for OGG theora Aug 01 11:15:06 liori, well what language would suit you Aug 01 11:15:22 PyC Aug 01 11:15:23 anything high-level with static typing Aug 01 11:15:25 :p Aug 01 11:15:27 because I don't now of many things that interop with C++ nicely Aug 01 11:15:43 * lcuk sometimes missed ActiveX Aug 01 11:15:50 o_O Aug 01 11:16:00 isn't that shit well.. shit? Aug 01 11:16:21 something like c# would be good enough for me... except that it doesn't like qt and mono is not ported to maemo Aug 01 11:16:28 no, technically ActiveX allowed interop from many places Aug 01 11:16:53 liori, there are mono builds available Aug 01 11:17:02 but to use them you need to add new devkits into scratchbox Aug 01 11:17:24 Gah these disconnects aren't even funny anymore Aug 01 11:30:05 * lcuk ponders going back to bed Aug 01 11:33:05 * crashanddie is bored Aug 01 11:34:39 same Aug 01 11:35:21 I have a mission for everyone bored, if you choose to accept it Aug 01 11:35:46 * lcuk plays with gestures Aug 01 11:35:55 Your mission: Find a brick, and take a photo of you putting it (lightly) against your N900, deliver the picture to me. Aug 01 11:36:12 This message will self destruct... when the logs are purged Aug 01 11:36:17 hmm, I have a better challenge Aug 01 11:36:31 Termana, thats crap and would need a second device to take photo with Aug 01 11:36:39 get a dozen of bricks, then tape yourself throwing them at Termana Aug 01 11:37:06 fuuu what should i do next for DropN900 : Aug 01 11:37:08 :P Aug 01 11:37:11 upload sync i suppose Aug 01 11:37:29 MohammadAG51 seems intent on doing malicious damage to me tonight :P Aug 01 11:37:30 a code merge with flyN900 Aug 01 11:37:52 Termana, I don't do *** an*l :P Aug 01 11:37:53 :) Aug 01 11:38:06 * MohammadAG51 wonders why he censored that Aug 01 11:38:09 MohammadAG51, I didn't mean to participate in NITdroid honestly! Please dont hurt me Aug 01 11:38:10 ThrowBox Aug 01 11:38:19 :P Aug 01 11:39:12 LMAO .... watching the F1... and they're playing "Fernando" over the Massa/Ferrari section...."If I had to do the same again, I would my firend" :D Aug 01 11:39:19 Termana, http://liqbase.net/liq.20100801_001.termana.jpg Aug 01 11:40:15 lcuk, do you 'shop that with MS Paint? Aug 01 11:40:16 yes, I am THAT bored Aug 01 11:40:19 did* Aug 01 11:40:22 no Aug 01 11:40:23 :P Aug 01 11:40:52 * lcuk has been playing with gestures and using liqcalc as the test unit Aug 01 11:40:53 lcuk, thanks, now I can tell the trolls on tmo that say their device is bricked, that NO it isn't. THIS N900 is bricked Aug 01 11:41:20 its not though, its on Aug 01 11:41:46 lcuk, would you rather me get you to smash a brick into your n900? :P Aug 01 11:42:12 nahh i need them to play with Aug 01 11:42:17 No? Then you will say NOTHING of the sort again! Aug 01 11:42:18 :P Aug 01 11:42:26 Termana, http://github.com/lcuk/liqcalc/raw/master/liqcalc.screenshot.png Aug 01 11:42:40 which part of that needs documentation Aug 01 11:42:55 lcuk, none of it. Aug 01 11:43:00 SOLAR CELL dims the screen Aug 01 11:43:08 :D Aug 01 11:43:13 indeed it does! Aug 01 11:43:30 lcuk, sorry - I was here when you described it before :P Aug 01 11:43:32 lol Aug 01 11:43:34 its the first thing I think that NEEDS capacitive Aug 01 11:43:50 so I can proportionally dim it based on how much its covered Aug 01 11:44:04 at the moment its just on press Aug 01 11:44:07 lcuk, I don't... think... capacitive can do that? Aug 01 11:44:11 Can it? Aug 01 11:44:12 :P Aug 01 11:44:24 yeah sure, you get a splodge Aug 01 11:44:31 and can work out size of the splodge Aug 01 11:45:11 Oh I'm sorry "how much its covered", I thought you said "how hard its covered", as in how hard its pressed :P Aug 01 11:45:27 Termana, you only have to block out the incoming light Aug 01 11:45:28 :P Aug 01 11:45:35 not press it into the ground Aug 01 11:45:43 lcuk, :P Aug 01 11:46:18 lcuk, it would be more life like that way - any calculator I've used that has one you need to press down a bit before it does anything Aug 01 11:46:41 lcuk, or maybe I was using liqcalc... Aug 01 11:46:42 well thats fine, it does that now Aug 01 11:46:43 :D Aug 01 11:47:20 * lcuk puts optification into libliqbase and re merges the portrait branch Aug 01 11:48:37 oh cripes - last night i started some minor mods and just left the editor open :( Aug 01 11:48:43 * lcuk should revert and code again Aug 01 11:50:11 * lcuk dislikes multiple desktops on ubuntu for this reason Aug 01 11:50:16 you "lose" windows too easily Aug 01 11:50:29 My laptop got a bit of water damage last night. Now it wont turn on. Aug 01 11:50:32 scht ... Aug 01 11:50:52 alterego: Disconnect battery and any AC. Ideally at the moment it happens. Aug 01 11:50:58 alterego: Is it a lot of water? Aug 01 11:51:01 alterego, DocScrutinizer thinks you should put it in rice Aug 01 11:51:03 :D Aug 01 11:51:07 Not too much Aug 01 11:51:16 alterego: how clean water? Aug 01 11:51:24 I've taken panels off and am leaving it some time to dry Aug 01 11:51:33 It was clean water yeah Aug 01 11:52:08 Remove hard drive, place in oven at 60C to dry for a day. Aug 01 11:52:25 Might download the maintanance manual and see about taking it apart properly and drying it manually Aug 01 11:52:26 If you're sure it was clean water. Aug 01 11:52:33 Then leaving it a bit longer Aug 01 11:52:34 lcuk, liqbase-playground makes my n900 use more power than the usb charger is providing Aug 01 11:52:39 yeah - that's another good idea. Aug 01 11:52:42 lcuk, stop draining my battery :P Aug 01 11:52:48 Yeah, I only drink water really ;) Aug 01 11:52:52 Termana: fuck I never said that Aug 01 11:52:53 Termana, what are you running on the playground? Aug 01 11:53:12 since using more power is something anything can do, but most of the cells are idle unless used Aug 01 11:53:31 DocScrutinizer51, specifically why I said it old chap - in fact you said it makes no difference Aug 01 11:54:01 lcuk, I used the torch when the notification came up, so thats probably what it was Aug 01 11:54:30 damn! yeah the torch using so much stuff :| not it sits totally idle with a blank screen Aug 01 11:54:43 so whatever is draining power is not that Aug 01 11:55:02 whats top saying Aug 01 11:55:18 lcuk, also, liqbase-playground installed something called onedotzero - it crashed before starting Aug 01 11:55:39 yes the packages are a bit stale in -devel Aug 01 11:55:45 * lcuk has not pushed recently Aug 01 11:55:56 but i replaced one of the odz dependencies there Aug 01 11:56:18 * lcuk will try to update today Aug 01 11:56:41 lcuk, doesn't seem to be doing too much in top - though the notification didn't come up again either Aug 01 11:57:31 the version in -devel still has lots of green flashes around doesnt it Aug 01 11:57:41 lcuk, yep Aug 01 11:58:10 * lcuk is pleased to have removed those Aug 01 11:58:45 lcuk, also, the postcard app, when I click to draw, it comes up with a credits screen, but when it goes back to the selection screen, it shows that I have been able to draw on the postcard, hidden under the credits screen obviously Aug 01 12:01:21 Termana, yeah, fixed Aug 01 12:01:37 are you working from source? i didnt think I had pushed that to -devel yet Aug 01 12:01:56 what's the front-facing camera for? :/ Aug 01 12:02:02 (thats actually bug #1!) http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/issues/issue/1 Aug 01 12:02:03 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it Aug 01 12:02:12 lol Aug 01 12:02:15 lcuk, no, working from -devel Aug 01 12:02:30 lcuk, there you go, the bot thinks you should ignore it :P Aug 01 12:02:32 hmm i didnt think the cover screen had gotten there, ahh well Aug 01 12:02:50 thats fine it has been dealt with and moved past quickly :P Aug 01 12:03:05 http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/commit/d3920198103d6e35f3c020f8901ea4c28d4d5200 Aug 01 12:03:34 heh, dneary has made slashdot :D Aug 01 12:04:14 I think chrome is having a heart attack on me, keeps force closing pages for no reason Aug 01 12:04:19 crashanddie, link? Aug 01 12:04:38 http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/08/01/0326208/First-GNOME-Census-Results?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher Aug 01 12:05:01 the first two links first words are "Reposted from Neary Consulting" and "Dave Neary..." respectively. Aug 01 12:07:18 Canonical... I'm a disappoint. Aug 01 12:07:22 * Termana uninstalls Ubuntu Aug 01 12:07:24 :P Aug 01 12:08:17 morning wazd \o Aug 01 12:10:11 Hi! Is it currently possible to send SMS via command line in Maemo 5? Aug 01 12:10:25 Ebzzry, you should be able to do it with dbus Aug 01 12:10:31 sec, I'll find the exact command Aug 01 12:10:48 Termana: :) Aug 01 12:11:54 Ebzzry, eh maybe not dbus if you don't want to use python, but if you use pnatd and send the correct AT commands you can send an SMS Aug 01 12:12:49 Termana: Do you happen to have a link to the docs? Aug 01 12:12:56 Although SMS could be done over dbus, I can't figure out the listed script quickly enough to tell you the exact command Aug 01 12:13:04 Ebzzry, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS Aug 01 12:13:21 There might be something outside that, I don't know Aug 01 12:14:09 Termana: I'll go and check it out now. Aug 01 12:21:26 Termana: Thanks Aug 01 12:21:51 * lcuk just send a posthumous SMS message to mrs lcuk Aug 01 12:23:47 lcuk: eh? Aug 01 12:23:53 lcuk: tracy passed? Aug 01 12:23:59 no Aug 01 12:24:13 hi Aug 01 12:24:15 she said "i am just getting some dinner in the shopping centre cafe before i die of starvation" Aug 01 12:24:28 so i texted back saying i had already died Aug 01 12:24:34 can the Maemo SDK be installed on 64-bit Linux? Aug 01 12:24:57 the installer says "not supported, but you can install it anyways" Aug 01 12:24:57 Venemo, yes but with more gotchas than in 32bit, i believe the documentaiton on maemo.org goes through it Aug 01 12:25:05 will it actually work? Aug 01 12:25:20 It works just fine for me. Aug 01 12:26:09 will it work on Fedora? Aug 01 12:26:22 Gekk if I know. Aug 01 12:26:38 Venemo: I hear Meego works well on Fedora Aug 01 12:27:24 crashanddie: perhaps, but I'm interested in the current N900 SDK Aug 01 12:27:45 s/Fedora/Fedora :P/ Aug 01 12:27:45 crashanddie meant: Venemo: I hear Meego works well on Fedora :P Aug 01 12:27:45 he wants an sdk - Venemo what apps are you trying to develop - ie qt only or general gtk/misc apps? Aug 01 12:28:53 I'd love to be able to dev natively on OSX for the N900 Aug 01 12:29:20 lcuk: I want to be able to compile and run all the apps that people develop with Scratchbox Aug 01 12:29:29 lcuk: I already have Nokia Qt SDK up and running :) Aug 01 12:29:46 Venemo, then if your linux foo is strong yo ushould get it on, but as it says its not supported Aug 01 12:30:43 lcuk: well, I don't really care if it is supported or not, it is enough if it works Aug 01 12:30:48 hm, E: Scratchbox cannot be used under Security Enchanced Linux (SELinux). Aug 01 12:30:59 it seems that I have to disable SELinux Aug 01 12:43:01 hi! my n900 recently shutdown because of low battery while i was installing a package and was stuck in a reboot loop afterwards and it didnt charge Aug 01 12:43:47 someone proposed to put the device into r&d mode, which i did now. it is connected to usb right now and the orange light is on, but it isn't flashing. is the device charging now? Aug 01 12:44:49 it isnt rebooting now, it just shows the nokia logo with the maintainence logo Aug 01 12:46:00 GNU\caust1c: will it not charge if you leave it on the charger? Aug 01 12:46:29 it is constantly rebooting on the charger Aug 01 12:46:39 flash the entire thing. Aug 01 12:46:48 i need to charge the battery first Aug 01 12:47:24 Hello,I don't know why my fring doesn't have skype add-on anymore,I am sure I was using it some time ago but it doesn't do skype anymore,any reasons? Aug 01 12:47:33 GNU\caust1c: yep, I second the reflash opinion Aug 01 12:47:49 i hope its charging right now, but i don't know it, thats why i'm asking Aug 01 12:48:11 knightstalker: noone knows, but it seems that fring no longer supports Skype Aug 01 12:48:41 Venemo,Ahhh,Thats bad,so there are now no standalone skype client? Aug 01 12:49:06 knightstalker: I dunno. What's wrong with the built-in one? Aug 01 12:49:40 Venemo,Well,Can I make video calls with it?Or probably use the chat system of it? Aug 01 12:50:07 knightstalker: yes, both. Aug 01 12:50:11 I know I can make voice calls to a phone(I think),but can I make voice calls to a user? Aug 01 12:50:29 well then,it seems to be fine :p Aug 01 12:54:00 eh,Venemo,How can I access Skype's page in built-in system which I can tell it to make video calls or do text(for voice call I know that I just need to go to phone) Aug 01 12:55:39 lcuk: o/ Aug 01 12:57:30 do chat* Aug 01 12:59:59 http://www.fring.com/newsroom/skypeblocksfring.asp Aug 01 13:00:03 Silly skype knightstalker: Read the Skype response to that. Silly fring. Aug 01 13:01:46 hi wazd Aug 01 13:02:02 FauxFaux,k :p Aug 01 13:03:16 FauxFaux,so can you also answer me? XD Aug 01 13:05:25 "In this case, however, there is no truth to Frings claims that Skype has blocked it. Fring made the decision to remove Skype functionality on its own." XDDDD Aug 01 13:07:41 but I also beleive skype doesn't work so good in their clients,for an example,its linux client which suck terribly :p Aug 01 13:07:50 eh? Aug 01 13:07:54 Jup :p Aug 01 13:08:04 Have you seen Skype on the N900 mate? Works fine Aug 01 13:08:10 Sure I did Aug 01 13:08:10 Have you seen Skype on OSX? Works fine. Aug 01 13:08:16 I didn't :p Aug 01 13:08:17 XD Aug 01 13:08:32 Well,They work fine Aug 01 13:08:40 I've been using Skype for the past what, 8 years? Never had issues -- maybe sometimes some weird funky routing problems but that's about it Aug 01 13:08:45 but have you ever seen the linux version?Windows version is way better Aug 01 13:08:52 And linux version compared to the windows one is crap Aug 01 13:09:19 I don't think so, but meh, you have your opinion and don't wish to change it Aug 01 13:09:24 your first statement made that very clear. Aug 01 13:09:29 It did :p Aug 01 13:09:57 you use smileys a bit too often mate. This isn't /b/ Aug 01 13:10:56 I don't think using smiley does harm users eyes though and I like them Aug 01 13:11:15 linux version isn't crap Aug 01 13:11:29 it just lags a bit after all other version Aug 01 13:11:36 video calls were added little bit later Aug 01 13:11:47 alsa support was added couple years too late Aug 01 13:12:06 but it is same as windows skype was 5 years ago Aug 01 13:12:09 Generally,They update it ages after they do the windows skype Aug 01 13:12:21 because nobody cares about linux Aug 01 13:12:53 jacekowski,and what you are saying is fail Aug 01 13:13:30 I know that windows users are more,but that doesn't mean to ignore linux completely Aug 01 13:13:31 how about you stfu? Aug 01 13:13:39 to be honest " :p " hurts my eyes Aug 01 13:13:49 k then Aug 01 13:13:51 I stfu Aug 01 13:13:55 they don't ignore it completly Aug 01 13:14:03 they just leave it little bit behind Aug 01 13:15:02 they have a bloody official client, which does nearly everything the other clients do Aug 01 13:15:19 crashanddie,sorry but,didn't you just end the topic? Aug 01 13:15:34 now I did Aug 01 13:16:15 veto Aug 01 13:16:26 yeah, me too, that's unacceptable crashanddie Aug 01 13:16:40 crashanddie: little bit waspy today? Aug 01 13:16:44 quite Aug 01 13:16:51 I'm just too f'in bored Aug 01 13:17:24 nothing to do, weather isn't really nice, nobody available to go see Aug 01 13:17:56 * DocScrutinizer hands crashanddie a lolly Aug 01 13:18:02 weeeeeeeeeeeeee Aug 01 13:20:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYmEICNgOQ Aug 01 13:20:24 * DocScrutinizer stares at cryptic weird -ChanServ- 1 to -ChanServ- 6 Aug 01 13:20:43 oO Aug 01 13:21:10 X-Fade: clean access list up a bit? Aug 01 13:22:07 *!i=coffee@mug.ipv6.c0ffee.org WTF?! Aug 01 13:24:06 OMG, You can write coffe in hex! omfg Aug 01 13:24:23 12648430 \o/ Aug 01 13:28:20 DocScrutinizer: keep in mind the access list is at least 5 years old.. Aug 01 13:34:42 mmmm fake cheese on toast is poor but nutricious substitute for putting the grill on a for a while Aug 01 13:41:03 FAKE cheese?? :-o°°|) Aug 01 13:41:41 freenode_#sane.log:[Friday 02 October 2009] [06:51:46 pm] Join c0ffee has joined this channel (n=coffee@mug.ipv6.c0ffee.org). Aug 01 13:41:42 fwiw Aug 01 13:42:10 yeeeha Aug 01 13:42:50 -NickServ- Last seen : Dec 27 01:32:46 2009 (31 weeks, 0 days, 12:09:43 ago) Aug 01 13:43:28 DocScrutinizer, grated cheese put on regular toast and zapped in the microwave for a bit Aug 01 13:43:42 vs real toasted cheese under the grill Aug 01 13:43:54 mhm Aug 01 13:44:25 one takes a few seconds, the other needs warming up the oven for a while Aug 01 13:44:34 Somehow I opened up 2 xchat windows Aug 01 13:44:35 :P Aug 01 13:44:50 thought you're talking about those indigestible mockup products like analog cheese, preferably from a can sprayed on the toast Aug 01 13:45:03 Termana,what do you mean? Aug 01 13:45:03 lol nope not quite that bad Aug 01 13:45:33 knightstalker, I opened up two xchat windows. Pretty much means exactly that :P Aug 01 13:45:35 jake helped me put black pepper on it Aug 01 13:45:49 i think we will be finding random bits of pepper around the kitchen for the next few months Aug 01 13:45:52 Termana: so what? Aug 01 13:46:01 Termana,Then,I don't feel thats weird? Aug 01 13:46:19 Sounds like someone hasn't had their milk yet Aug 01 13:46:49 Termana, at least with opening 2 instances you can be sure of getting an answer if you ask something Aug 01 13:46:57 unless your clone doesnt like the sound of you either :P Aug 01 13:47:04 lcuk, :P Aug 01 13:47:31 Termana: don't make me angry, you already managed to wake me up by highlighting me with incorrect quotes :-S Aug 01 13:48:39 ^wow,The sound you use for HighLight must be horrible XD Aug 01 13:48:44 DocScrutinizer, I'm sorry for waking you. Though I fail to see how you awoke quite a bit after I highlighted you. Do you make it beep at you every 5 minutes when your highlighted or something? Aug 01 13:48:47 which managed to wake you up Aug 01 13:49:10 * lcuk has bacon as a highlight Aug 01 13:49:21 mmm bacon Aug 01 13:49:40 Termana: what detail makes you think I woke up *after* you highlighted me? Aug 01 13:50:36 DocScrutinizer, Let me propose this to you. If you don't want to be woken up when people say your name, turn off your speakers. Aug 01 13:50:47 Termana: of course I woke up the very moment you posted alterego, DocScrutinizer thinks you should put it in rice Aug 01 13:51:02 DocScrutinizer, not because I highlighted you though Aug 01 13:51:20 I say,highlighting someone isn Aug 01 13:51:29 Because I said "thinks you should put it in rice", the highlight didn't wake you Aug 01 13:51:31 isn't a good reason to fight and discuss it for some time XD Aug 01 13:51:37 Termana: even worse, you spread lies about me *without* highlighting me :-P Aug 01 13:52:42 guys, got a problem, i've cracked my screen so can't use the phone, is there anyway to get contacts off it, unforuntly they are not saved to sim :( Aug 01 13:53:23 FireStorm|: use AV-cale and TV Aug 01 13:53:28 cable even Aug 01 13:53:41 do i need to do anything as i got password on it Aug 01 13:54:01 you can use keyboard cant you? Aug 01 13:54:05 so can't use the screen Aug 01 13:54:25 You just connect it to TV and use the keyboard to input the password Aug 01 13:54:31 or can u use the keyboard to enter in password Aug 01 13:54:32 ^^^ :p Aug 01 13:54:50 ur a legend Aug 01 13:55:04 hmm Aug 01 13:55:18 wish i knew that last night Aug 01 13:55:23 phone got into a fight and lost Aug 01 13:55:23 :( Aug 01 13:55:30 omg Aug 01 13:55:37 you use such phone for a fight XD Aug 01 13:55:49 no Aug 01 13:55:49 such a big risk Aug 01 13:55:52 we got into a fight Aug 01 13:55:56 and it was in pocket Aug 01 13:56:01 and we beat matey up Aug 01 13:56:02 aha Aug 01 13:56:08 but the phone suffered a cracked screen ;9 Aug 01 13:56:15 that might been the coppers man handlign me to the floor Aug 01 13:56:20 but you shouldv seen the state of the other guys' phone Aug 01 13:56:21 will cost you ~80 bucks Aug 01 13:56:37 DocScrutinizer,hmm,do ssh in N900 auto runs when the mobile starts up? Aug 01 13:56:54 Knight|HW: If you have installed the daemon. Aug 01 13:56:57 if you installed ssh server then yes Aug 01 13:57:05 oooo Aug 01 13:57:07 i wonder Aug 01 13:57:09 openssh client/server Aug 01 13:57:11 Okay,Thanks,and yeah I meant the ssh server XD Aug 01 13:57:25 lcuk dunno about the other bloke he went off in a ambulance... Aug 01 13:58:10 FireStorm| if you possibly had ssh you could use it to install vnc and then using vnc you could made a visual connection to the phone Aug 01 13:58:11 DocScrutinizer it's insured, spoke to shop n they wann send it off for 2 -4 weeks Aug 01 13:58:19 yer vnc is installed Aug 01 13:58:21 I am pretty sure by then you could enter the password Aug 01 13:58:23 ssh is running Aug 01 13:58:25 but Aug 01 13:58:30 Knight|HW: there are weido hacks to stop/start sshd on click of a button/icon/widget Aug 01 13:58:39 i would need to connect it via cable? Aug 01 13:58:43 or over local wireless Aug 01 13:58:46 but you'd know if you got one of those Aug 01 13:59:23 FireStorm|: yep Aug 01 13:59:25 FireStorm| I don't know the cable way,maybe ask others but yeah,for wireless,yeah,just connect it to wireless find its local IP via the router and connect to it <3 Aug 01 13:59:27 lcuk i couldn't help it that his mega gorgeous bird grabbed my fake cock and stuck it in her mouth :d Aug 01 13:59:32 FireStorm|: why don't you use TV?? Aug 01 13:59:34 And omg,I have HomeWork Aug 01 13:59:43 yer i am going to go via t.v be easier Aug 01 13:59:54 DocScrutinizer,He wonders if he can put pass via keyboard I beleive Aug 01 14:00:05 yer Aug 01 14:00:06 you can Aug 01 14:00:08 FireStorm|, wtf :S not the sort of info that comes out of this discussion Aug 01 14:00:08 I think we can right Aug 01 14:00:08 ? Aug 01 14:00:09 Oh jees. How brought t.m.o here? Aug 01 14:00:12 Who* Aug 01 14:00:12 Right XD Aug 01 14:00:18 lol was on a stag do :D Aug 01 14:00:26 and he got jealous and got beat up and i broke phone :( Aug 01 14:00:27 Termana: you! Aug 01 14:00:47 but the g1 in other pocket is perfect :( Aug 01 14:00:55 cheap nokia crap? Aug 01 14:01:00 DocScrutinizer, yes, just like I woke you - all lies I tells ya! Aug 01 14:01:11 Something else,Do someone knows why N900 hates "|" ?I couldn't manage to find it on keyboard OR use vnc to use that character Aug 01 14:01:47 Termana: so finally you know what to get for your serial fixture? Aug 01 14:02:02 Knight|HW, its not on the keyboard, which explains why you cant find it. Aug 01 14:02:07 On searching the net, I have just found out about R&D mode :o Aug 01 14:02:23 DocScrutinizer, no? Am I suppose to know? Aug 01 14:02:28 Termana,I am not blind ofc...did you just read the main question? .-. Aug 01 14:02:29 yep Aug 01 14:02:29 supposed* Aug 01 14:03:05 Termana: http://www.fonefunshop.co.uk/Unlocking/servicecableuniversal1.htm Aug 01 14:03:15 Knight|HW, the N900 is an inanimate object and doesn't have feelings, therefore I concluded that it doesn't hate it Aug 01 14:03:29 okay thanks for the answer... Aug 01 14:03:35 Guys, what is the benefit/use of ASTERISK PBX on n900/maemo ?? Aug 01 14:03:36 plus some minor rework by soldering wires to correct pogopins, maybe Aug 01 14:03:56 Knight|HW: because Nokia is too stupid to design a decent keyboard :/ Aug 01 14:03:59 its a VOIP server right? :S why would you need that on a phone. running a pbx server from phone... Aug 01 14:04:04 what :S Aug 01 14:04:27 DocScrutinizer, wouldnt that cause problems with pressing the touchscreen and or real keys? Aug 01 14:04:29 technomike: maybe someone wants voicemail on their phone? Aug 01 14:04:32 tchan: it's nonsense basically, for those too daft to set up their VoIP clients correctly :-P Aug 01 14:04:35 Knight|HW, I don't think your very appreciative of my answer Aug 01 14:04:36 technomike: For example, you might want to not answer calls directly, but have them go to an answerphone on your phone. Aug 01 14:04:41 Are you disrespecting me? Aug 01 14:04:42 :P Aug 01 14:04:43 technomike: maybe a hack for IAX2 support Aug 01 14:04:44 technomike: ^^^ Aug 01 14:04:49 sorry tchan Aug 01 14:04:56 Ahhhhhhhhhh ! Thanks. Understand now. :D Aug 01 14:05:07 technomike: Or have that happen for only annoying people in your contacts list. Aug 01 14:05:17 Might try that out then Aug 01 14:05:21 DocScrutinizer, hmm, that seems cheaper than anything you said :P Aug 01 14:05:30 lcuk: for ts I'd say *IF* it does then just lock screen :-D Aug 01 14:05:39 Asterisk includes a sound clip of monkeys. Maybe it's useful for ringtones. Aug 01 14:05:44 for kbd I don't think it's a real problem Aug 01 14:07:09 DocScrutinizer, theres many instances where holding keyboard and getting extra characters causes problems Aug 01 14:07:31 ^ the | thingy?Yeah its not a real problem,but,Its sometime a pain while doing some commands on terminal and Debian,like using grep and... Aug 01 14:07:42 lcuk: keys won't get pressed by the fixture Aug 01 14:08:04 hello, are there many difference, if i write an QT App c++ for linux x86 or maemo 4 or maemo 5 or meego etc? Aug 01 14:08:23 lcuk: also you can support the phone on the key-free zones at right and left end Aug 01 14:08:25 because i want to write one, which works on all of them Aug 01 14:08:41 lcuk: ...which btw you can do for ts as well Aug 01 14:08:53 DocScrutinizer, sure, if it works great, just looks like it would need to press Aug 01 14:09:10 eichi, *technically* qt should work everywhere if you stick to simple baseline things Aug 01 14:09:21 however once you go beyond that you may have compatability issues Aug 01 14:09:45 and each place you need it may still need specific defines and stuff - just like any cross platformy bits Aug 01 14:10:12 Termana: I can get such fixture for you and do the needed reworks Aug 01 14:10:43 DocScrutinizer, as long as I don't highlight you when your sleeping again, at least. :P Aug 01 14:10:51 okay, but its nothing i have to on the very first of beginning to write. means i can make this things later like Aug 01 14:10:53 nvm Aug 01 14:10:57 j/k Aug 01 14:11:09 more like "porting to mobile devices" then Aug 01 14:11:42 eichi: yep Aug 01 14:11:53 DocScrutinizer, quick pm? Aug 01 14:12:00 go ahead Aug 01 14:12:40 eichi, it depends on what qt features you think you need Aug 01 14:13:02 eichi: lcuk: for a hello world it doesn't matter Aug 01 14:13:23 for special hildonization it does Aug 01 14:14:00 eichi: Maemo 4… is very dead now Aug 01 14:14:15 DocScrutinizer i need kalender widget style sql and a mapwidget Aug 01 14:14:40 luke-jr, but it has qt on it and lots of devices exist and other apps work on it Aug 01 14:14:48 luke-jr: yeah, but the only thing works on my n800 usable Aug 01 14:14:51 lcuk: it does? Aug 01 14:14:58 and my 810 would have even more use if the damn mapping license server would let me BUY a license Aug 01 14:14:59 eichi: I run Gentoo Aug 01 14:15:15 luke-jr: which desktop? Aug 01 14:15:15 luke-jr, sure, the device is alive Aug 01 14:15:28 you'll see what it needs for special care on N900 as soon as you try it on the device. The base shouldn't hold any completely wrong bits though, just missing a few Aug 01 14:15:29 eichi: KDE Aug 01 14:15:51 but really usually CLI Aug 01 14:16:02 just KDE for web and such Aug 01 14:16:26 i dont like gentoo, but maybe i try archlinux on n800 Aug 01 14:16:30 would be an idea Aug 01 14:16:35 didn't know they had a port Aug 01 14:17:06 gentoo has? Aug 01 14:17:29 http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 Aug 01 14:17:34 hmm, qt on maemo4 aka diablo? /me wonders... Aug 01 14:17:37 of course, porting Gentoo is trivial Aug 01 14:17:42 yes DocScrutinizer Aug 01 14:17:45 Qt 4.5 Aug 01 14:17:51 k Aug 01 14:18:27 perfectly feasible to allow apps to be written and used Aug 01 14:18:43 so prolly you had to do a considerable effort to backport qt4.6|7 programs Aug 01 14:20:29 yes but when writing for compatability, you work with minimal working set to get effect required Aug 01 14:21:06 hello Aug 01 14:21:28 hello CasTTeLLo \o Aug 01 14:22:01 :) Aug 01 14:22:06 germany 1:0 Nigeria womans U20 world cup final Aug 01 14:22:15 65 minutes played :) Aug 01 14:32:22 do they all look like rooney? Aug 01 14:33:52 Well, it's done. Aug 01 14:33:59 I've managed to take my laptop apart Aug 01 14:34:36 Putting it back together will be exciting. And I've got a blister from undoing all the absurdly tight screws :( Aug 01 14:35:39 oh for ur records u need to use the screen to enter in pass code on boot up via av cable Aug 01 14:35:41 oh for ur records u need to use the screen to enter in pass code on boot up via av cable Aug 01 14:35:42 crashanddie, no its quite reasonable Aug 01 14:35:53 Please don't repeat yourself for no reason Aug 01 14:36:09 i didn't mean to as i disconnected :p Aug 01 14:36:17 sent oen before n one on connect Aug 01 14:36:18 so :p Aug 01 14:36:31 but it's not bad as u can guess where buttons are based on what u can see on the screen Aug 01 14:37:04 lcuk: somehow, I can't help but think of the nigerian players trying to convince the german players that they're the daughter of rich army generals. Aug 01 14:37:18 Strange, I wonder why my n900 just timed out, but I didn't (since I'm connected through it) :P Aug 01 14:37:39 its a football game crashanddie Aug 01 14:39:06 anyone tried to get silverlight streaming to work? Aug 01 14:41:03 FireStorm|: if lock password isn't possible to enter via hw kbd then that's definitely a bug. On a helping sidenote you probably can see from screen which key you pressed on touch sensor, as the key should highlight, and it is actually entered on releasing the touch, so you should be able to touch on arbitrary position, then slide your finger to highlight the correct key before release Aug 01 14:41:37 s/from screen/from TV Aug 01 14:44:50 FireStorm|: do a decent backup (via backup utility) to the SD card. For the contacts you might want to export as vcards (or csv), also to the sd card Aug 01 14:44:54 DocScrutinizer yer i done it that way Aug 01 14:45:15 but just saying u can't use the keyboard on the pass code has to eb touch screen Aug 01 14:45:24 and yes i worked out where buttons where and tapped it in Aug 01 14:45:31 but if touch screen fails then ur in trouble Aug 01 14:45:45 yes, and that's definitley a bug Aug 01 14:46:18 I never noticed as I don't use lock password Aug 01 14:46:29 i do as i can't trust people at work Aug 01 14:46:55 :) Aug 01 14:47:01 who do i report bugs to then? Aug 01 14:48:28 bugs.maemo.org ? Aug 01 14:50:54 is anyone around maintaining mplayer, or anything using FFmpeg? Aug 01 14:52:44 I wonder what is happening to my servers internet connection to cause these reconnects .... Aug 01 14:55:34 Germany just won U20 womans World Cup 2:0 against Nigeria Aug 01 14:55:35 times out Aug 01 14:55:40 so drops connection Aug 01 14:55:51 google the error i'm sure there is a router change to fix it Aug 01 14:57:00 No, the connection issue is in a datacentre in the US Aug 01 14:57:21 Nothing to do with my internet connection. It's the connection of the server I remotely log into which I keep IRSSI running in a screen session Aug 01 14:59:34 oh lol Aug 01 15:10:02 Think I'll spend this afternoon writing a little toy app Aug 01 15:12:14 anybody know which package provides the telepathy sofia sip libraries on N900? Aug 01 15:12:29 I saw an app similar on Android, thought it'd be a neat toy :) Aug 01 15:12:49 This page is only for maemo4 http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ Aug 01 15:13:29 trumee: dpkg -l is your friend? Aug 01 15:13:43 the packages are part of the platform... Aug 01 15:14:18 dpkg -S also works... Aug 01 15:14:31 timeless_mbp: i am still struggling with poor sip performance on N900 :( Aug 01 15:15:08 i'm struggling w/ having to do some technical writing Aug 01 15:48:51 ouch, texrat had his USB port separate a second time.. Aug 01 15:50:50 he should stop swinging it by its lead then Aug 01 15:52:03 Yeah, I've still had no issue with my USB port. Aug 01 15:52:33 Makes me wonder how these people are treating theirs, I plug-unplug mine probably at the very least 10 times a day, and anything up to 30 I would have thought Aug 01 15:52:43 the only time i got concerned really was when i wanted to disable alarm and pulled whilst plugged in to take it back to bed Aug 01 15:53:01 alterego, i have 1 usb lead and 3 devices on regular cycle between it Aug 01 15:53:18 Heh Aug 01 15:53:30 3 devices, you're so greedy :P Aug 01 15:54:01 alterego, not really i have uses for them Aug 01 15:54:07 * lcuk could do with more really Aug 01 15:54:11 Heh Aug 01 15:54:19 but this works for testing Aug 01 15:54:22 I could do with more (more than one) Aug 01 15:54:36 Unfortunately I have to make do with what I have :P Aug 01 15:54:41 And backup lots .. Aug 01 15:54:58 yeah Aug 01 15:55:21 cant do too much on the others apart from cycle through test builds and comparative stuff Aug 01 15:56:14 I'm working on a toy app at the moment, I saw on an Android phone the other day. It's a programmable scrolling LED display toy app Aug 01 15:56:17 i would really like to see inductive charging plates Aug 01 15:56:28 You configure a message and it shows on the screen a LED style display with the message. Aug 01 15:56:37 Kind of pointless, but I kind of felt an itch to write it :D Aug 01 15:58:29 someone had one designed using liqbase as the editor Aug 01 15:58:32 * lcuk digs through memory Aug 01 15:59:07 Well, the next step, with USB host mode or RS232 would be to actually program a real one. Aug 01 15:59:17 yeah its practical Aug 01 15:59:24 But as a toy app in the style of andoid and iphone's I thought it was quite fun. Aug 01 15:59:28 i think the one they wanted would attach onto bike spokes Aug 01 15:59:35 Heh Aug 01 15:59:42 Oh, yeah, those are cool. Aug 01 16:00:03 I wonder if I could use the accel for doing something similar .. Aug 01 16:00:27 luke-jr: what about installing software with gentoo on n800? i used gentoo 3 years and i never liked the time i have to wait on compiling. that was a intel x86 with nearly 3ghz. i start crying if i thing about the time i have to wait in a 400mhz arm. how long did you install kde? 2 weeks? Aug 01 16:01:16 alterego, hmm messages are easy Aug 01 16:01:21 i have a nametag doofer here Aug 01 16:02:08 I know it's easy .. Aug 01 16:02:45 http://liqbase.net/liq.pendant.20091225_001.jpg Aug 01 16:03:07 hung round neck on a lanyard it always stays upright Aug 01 16:03:22 I don't think you quite understand what I mean. Aug 01 16:03:42 Using the accel to test for motion to display a 2D led pattern. Aug 01 16:03:47 Sorry, 1D led patter. Aug 01 16:03:59 That creates a 2D led pattern as you move it from left to right. Aug 01 16:04:11 ahh i know what you mean then Aug 01 16:04:15 you would have lotsa lag Aug 01 16:04:21 i keep spinning n900 round on my desk Aug 01 16:04:39 that requires a constant spin Aug 01 16:05:00 And what I'm doing now, is basically dividing the N900 display into a grid of circles, each circle is a LED either on or off. Aug 01 16:05:29 Then I'm writing a LED driver for character data that displays letters on the grid, then I make those letters scroll across the grid, like a scrolling LED display :) Aug 01 16:05:39 It's just a pointless amusement/tiy. Aug 01 16:05:41 ~toy Aug 01 16:05:41 +1 Aug 01 16:05:41 i guess toy is usually made of plastic Aug 01 16:05:46 * lcuk nods Aug 01 16:06:55 alterego, would you dare to attach n900 itself to the wheel of your bike though? Aug 01 16:07:06 lcuk: hah, no :) Aug 01 16:07:10 it would be better using a stripe of christmas tree lights along a spoke Aug 01 16:07:11 I was thinking more hand-held ;) Aug 01 16:07:36 lcuk: yeah, I saw a clock that operated similar, was basically like a metronome with leds on it. Aug 01 16:07:42 yeah Aug 01 16:07:44 Showed the time as it moved. Aug 01 16:10:23 So you don't think the accel data would be good enough to detect your motion as you wave it back and forth? Aug 01 16:10:31 Im suppose you could just make it based on time. Aug 01 16:11:02 alterego, it would be feasible but absolutel location like that is a difficult problem ;) Aug 01 16:11:09 -l Aug 01 16:12:35 Hrm, yeah Aug 01 16:13:18 Not sure that matters so much as displaying your updated images as you progress from stop, speed up, slow down, stop and then backward repeat. Aug 01 16:13:57 alterego, try it Aug 01 16:14:04 it should be feasible Aug 01 16:14:06 I might just do that. Aug 01 16:14:12 and if you are good and get a rythm going Aug 01 16:14:14 When I've finished this project :P Aug 01 16:14:16 you could lock on more Aug 01 16:16:01 Well, my LED display widget is done. Aug 01 16:16:08 Gonna make it nice and customizable. Aug 01 16:16:24 Then I'll work on the character generator. Aug 01 16:16:31 After I've had a shower, bbiab :) Aug 01 16:18:33 does anyone know if PyQt4 for maemo is intended to be so that the qmainloop is not running when nothing is being done in the ui Aug 01 16:18:48 ? Aug 01 16:18:53 you need an eventloop Aug 01 16:18:55 this feels crazy, but my qtimer is calling its timeout function only when i move the mouse on scratchbox Aug 01 16:18:59 w/o one, your app is supposed to die Aug 01 16:19:28 well qapp is the has a event loop, thats why we use the framework Aug 01 16:19:38 but my qtimers are not working as on other platforms Aug 01 16:19:56 i was wondering if this is some kind of battery saving shit Aug 01 16:20:05 heh Aug 01 16:20:23 timer behavior has been special in our experience Aug 01 16:20:32 even in gtk Aug 01 16:20:50 and to be spesific, im on pyqt4 in py 2.5 Aug 01 16:21:05 i was wondering why my file writing threads were taking so long Aug 01 16:21:22 im polling Thread.join() with in the qtimer timeout function Aug 01 16:21:25 for all my threads Aug 01 16:21:34 and start the next worker thread when the other is completed Aug 01 16:21:59 even the threads seem to have issues running without me moving my mouse like a maniac Aug 01 16:23:11 man, this is a big setback Aug 01 16:23:32 i need my app.exec_() but i also need constant main loop Aug 01 16:23:59 i subclassed QApplication.event() and there comes events very rarely Aug 01 16:24:03 which is odd Aug 01 16:24:17 ill try installing a event filder Aug 01 16:24:21 filter Aug 01 16:25:26 yay, my n900 works again :) Aug 01 16:34:57 Really need to get a DVI to HDMI converter Aug 01 16:35:04 And a new SATA cable .. Aug 01 16:49:25 ok got it Aug 01 16:49:33 g mainloop was the one hanging Aug 01 16:49:38 not qtimers or the main loop Aug 01 16:49:46 hehe Aug 01 16:50:05 it wont budge before you move mouse or something happens in the ui Aug 01 16:50:08 weird Aug 01 16:50:26 Sounds like you're running it in some silly UI event listener. Aug 01 16:50:29 hmm i wonder if i need that q mainloop at all Aug 01 16:50:36 no its not Aug 01 16:50:47 i thought i need it for dbus and conic stuff Aug 01 16:50:56 mainloop in a mainloop? Aug 01 16:51:06 well, i do iterations to the gmainloop Aug 01 16:51:25 but i suppose i dont need it at all, now that i think of it Aug 01 16:51:33 * alterego sighs Aug 01 16:52:00 * DocScrutinizer ponders idly why it's called MAINloop :-P Aug 01 16:52:24 Hah Aug 01 16:52:33 heh Aug 01 16:52:50 good thing i looked into this :D Aug 01 16:53:51 this is your MAIN mainloop, though shalt not have other loops besides mainloop Aug 01 16:54:50 I could of sworn I remember reading something similar in the programming 10 commandments or something Aug 01 16:55:03 thou* Aug 01 16:55:41 Pforce: yeah, the gmainloop sucks : Aug 01 16:55:42 :) Aug 01 16:56:05 that's what was breaking gecko at times Aug 01 16:56:07 loads of fun Aug 01 16:56:36 right, i just thought i need it on the side with context iterations http://pastebin.com/y7z0GXsv Aug 01 16:56:49 as it was in the examples, but it was there just to make the example run :> Aug 01 16:56:51 * DocScrutinizer mubles "will it learn assembler?! prior to messing with OO! will it now?!" Aug 01 16:57:14 ill still have to test on the device if it runs without, i cant see dbus stuff on the scratchbox emu Aug 01 16:57:49 DocScrutinizer: you can have multiple mainloops :P sometimes its needed Aug 01 16:58:05 you can have one wait though Aug 01 16:58:09 like in our work project we run qt in the client and gmainloop in a qthread Aug 01 16:58:11 ONLY one wait Aug 01 16:58:28 for gstreamer Aug 01 16:59:23 it's the central wait that listens to ALL signals causing the process(es) to resume from dispatcher sleep state Aug 01 16:59:57 if you manage two mainloops will share that central wait() then you're fine Aug 01 17:01:10 yes yes, event driven programming isn't for kids :-D Aug 01 17:14:55 mmm my SYM key doesn't seem to work anymore, is there any obvious reason for this to happen that I may not be aware of ? Aug 01 17:15:31 (physical key seems to be ok as ctrl is working fine) Aug 01 17:15:47 but on screen keyboard doesn't appeapr anymore Aug 01 17:25:05 define doesn't work Aug 01 17:25:12 if you mean 'doesn't bring on the osk overlay' Aug 01 17:25:15 did you install hebrew? Aug 01 17:25:25 or, does blue-EUR give you PIPE? Aug 01 17:32:54 Now I need to come up with a clever way of converting characters into my LED patterns .. Aug 01 17:35:16 I suggest a diode ROM Aug 01 17:38:42 Even though I'm quite distraught my laptop is in bits because I spilled water over it. I kind of like hacking on the big screen of my workstation :) Aug 01 17:45:43 ugh, this sh script I wrote on the commandline on a single line Aug 01 17:46:01 makes absolutely no sense now that I a week later try to split it into multiple lines and add indentation Aug 01 17:46:05 :) Aug 01 17:46:14 Heh Aug 01 17:46:22 eichi: no patience? a complete rebuild (required to upgrade GCC 4.3 to 4.4) has taken me about 2 weeks, with a lot of idle "waiting on user because something broke" time Aug 01 17:47:02 It's like 30 lines when I try to indent it sanely, and it stops making sense Aug 01 17:47:10 * ShadowJK wrote this on N900 line-editing Aug 01 17:47:36 Niiiiice ... Aug 01 17:49:26 http://pastebin.com/sqkmiGPi this is a small part, anyone wanna split it and indent? Aug 01 17:49:30 :) Aug 01 17:49:52 * ShadowJK has lots so many masterpieces of similar quality when system has unexpectedly rebooted and ~/.history no longer had it Aug 01 17:50:22 Wow that looks awful :P Aug 01 17:50:34 :D Aug 01 17:51:35 http://pastebin.com/wcAL4deh hm, I could obviously do with a function here.. how do they work again.. Aug 01 17:52:10 functionname() { .... } Aug 01 17:52:48 This is part of a powersave script on my server where my IRC client is, I block IRC to my N900 and N810 for 60 seconds with iptables, then I unblock it and wait until all queued up data has been transmitted, and then block again Aug 01 17:52:59 where my irc client / bouncer is.. Aug 01 17:53:13 I just use screen ... Aug 01 17:53:41 lol Aug 01 17:53:44 ShadowJK: Oooh - neat - more or less what I suggested. Aug 01 17:53:57 ShadowJK: does it queue the packets, or simply block? Aug 01 17:55:13 dunno how to queue Aug 01 17:55:20 I just iptables -J DROP Aug 01 17:55:23 -j* Aug 01 17:55:52 inefficent TCP queuing :p Aug 01 17:56:10 So it gets queued by the TCP stack, which eventually retries it after I unblock.. that pastebin is the loop that looks at netstat -to output and counts how many bytes have still not been transmitted successfully Aug 01 17:58:00 * ShadowJK finds he gets more actually done in sh because he doesn't know how to do anything properly and just writes out crap until it works Aug 01 17:58:04 consider a suspendable screen ;) Aug 01 17:58:12 * ShadowJK has xchat on N900 :P Aug 01 17:58:22 and screen with irssi and irssi-proxy on server Aug 01 17:58:45 I mean have the N900 automatically close your connections when idle Aug 01 17:58:53 and reconnect to the screen when you activate it Aug 01 17:59:23 a kind of network-screen Aug 01 17:59:24 bah humbug :P Aug 01 17:59:51 add a smart X11 proxy for X11 suspending too ;) Aug 01 18:00:12 Maybe with another proxy that would buffer chat hwen disconnect and then transmit it all when I connect Aug 01 18:00:31 … Aug 01 18:00:32 I tried that ages ago on desktop, and xchat was too friggin slow to render the burst of chat on connect :) Aug 01 18:00:44 that's the "screen" part of it Aug 01 18:00:53 I suppose you could do the same w/ Quassel-protocol Aug 01 18:03:18 put your ssh sessions in a loop and kill them on suspend Aug 01 18:06:39 Oh sweet, this should work F*cking nicely :D Aug 01 18:10:04 * SpeedEvil needs to get to writing http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:WebProxy Aug 01 18:11:37 Hi Aug 01 18:13:07 lo till Aug 01 18:13:38 Hi ! Aug 01 18:13:42 i am still struggling with x11vnc Aug 01 18:14:00 lbt, hello is it something normal on community obs : dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown information field 'Maemo-Display-Name' in input data in package's section of control info file Aug 01 18:14:01 ? Aug 01 18:14:03 anyone ever managed to get past the clock setup screen on the n900 with this? Aug 01 18:14:42 i spilled my n900 with latte macchiato (lots of sugar), the display cable was stuck and broke Aug 01 18:15:05 harbaum: did you get a display showing? Aug 01 18:15:05 so now i have a keyboard compartment that still sort of works and i can ssh into it Aug 01 18:15:14 (in x11vnc) Aug 01 18:15:16 just knowing how far you are Aug 01 18:15:36 Stskeeps: vnc gives me a screen that's 800 pixels wide and ~10 pixels high ... very odd Aug 01 18:15:50 harbaum: hmm :P Aug 01 18:16:05 now i am trying to get some screen on tv out, but that also doesn't seem to work Aug 01 18:16:19 Okay, I thought this would be easy .. Aug 01 18:16:27 I can draw shapes, but I can't seem to draw text ... Aug 01 18:16:55 harbaum: rsync -aHx / and your mmc and such to a microsd, best way to backup and eventually restore.. Aug 01 18:17:43 Stskeeps: i already tar'ed /home/user. So the "real" backup is not that necessary Aug 01 18:20:09 hey, guys, maybe some of you tried to compile a foreign toolchain for scratchbox using scratchbox's i486 toolchain? In toolchaincompiled this way I've got a SIGSEGV in /lib/ld-linux.so.2, and that's surpricing. Are there any common reasons for that, do you know? Aug 01 18:22:41 hmm, just a blank screen on tvout. also the screen lock switch was so stuck i could barely move it ... sugar ... Aug 01 18:25:10 harbaum: I'd recommend dissasembling and reassembling Aug 01 18:25:28 harbaum: you will - absolutely certainly - be doing further damage by having it powered on. Aug 01 18:25:42 SpeedEvil: The screen cable is broken, so there's no reason to be careful Aug 01 18:26:07 well - if you want it to work as it is doing now. Aug 01 18:26:57 SpeedEvil: I am doing this to get a backup. Aug 01 18:27:24 It should be dry by now, so i don't thing any more harm will be done Aug 01 18:28:02 The major question is: Get a new n900 or wait for a meego handset Aug 01 18:28:38 ah Aug 01 18:28:40 harbaum: depends on whether you trust in an N900-compatible MeeGo release or not Aug 01 18:28:47 harbaum: it never dries. Aug 01 18:29:12 harbaum: that is - sugary substances never dry enough in most climates to not be corrosive. Aug 01 18:29:32 It will always stay slightly damp. Aug 01 18:29:54 harbaum: do you have ssh enabled? Aug 01 18:30:01 SpeedEvil: The device has been soaked. There's not much further damage to be done. And buying a replacement screen won't even guarantee me a working device Aug 01 18:30:13 SpeedEvil: Sure, i already tar and copied the data Aug 01 18:32:21 ah. Aug 01 18:33:00 I'd still dissasemble and wash, if it was mine. Aug 01 18:33:18 Are you sure the cable has sheared? Aug 01 18:36:31 @sk021 Aug 01 18:39:52 i'd soak it in pure h2o Aug 01 18:40:29 i mean, H₂O Aug 01 18:41:00 (unicode ♡) Aug 01 18:41:28 Sweet, my LED display widget, is now driven by a character driver which handles scrolling and can use any font available :D Aug 01 18:43:01 SpeedEvil: Yes, the display cable is broken, halfway through Aug 01 18:43:19 Oh, this works very nicely indeed :D Aug 01 18:43:27 Now to write the configuration controls. Aug 01 18:45:37 ls Aug 01 18:45:43 lsls Aug 01 18:46:53 alterego, you made a kernel module to turn on/off the led? Aug 01 18:56:04 No, it's an on screen emulation Aug 01 18:56:10 Just a toy app Aug 01 19:05:13 * DocScrutinizer wonders why users always leave channel befor somebody can answer to their story Aug 01 19:06:33 anyway, seems harbaum's device needs display flex cable assembly swap, just like mine did. Should be feasible for maybe 100 bucks Aug 01 19:07:59 Though on mine I'm sure it was this unequaled stupid design of connector on flex cable on juper piggyback flex cable that broke. I even wonder how it can work at all Aug 01 19:08:15 jumper Aug 01 19:09:21 no matter what, if display flex cable is broken, TV out is dead too. Seems SoC video circuitry somehow needs signals *from' LCD, to work correctly Aug 01 19:09:50 DocScrutinizer: Ah, ok, that explains why i don't see anything Aug 01 19:10:14 bah, my operator has removed my area from the generic "fubar" area, but I still don't get 3g like before the storms :/ Aug 01 19:10:47 ShadowJK: wtf? Aug 01 19:11:20 They have a live map with known current faults on their network Aug 01 19:11:48 but after the storms there was so many places without power or wrecked that they just added a big generic "lots of fubar in this area" instead Aug 01 19:12:16 DocScrutinizer: In fact tv-out generates a valid signal. Just without contents Aug 01 19:13:01 harbaum: I recommend to disassemble the device according to RX51_SM_L1_2.pdf, and rinse the housing, and if due also the main PCB with demineralized water. Then dry thoroughly Aug 01 19:13:32 for at least 7 days, on maybe 50..60°C Aug 01 19:15:17 then reassemble, and get repair (display FPC swap) on a Nokia service center Aug 01 19:15:50 ask for the broken FPC! :-) Aug 01 19:16:05 looking through a guide on overclocking the n900, ideal settings are set to a min of 500, max of 850 Aug 01 19:16:21 *might* come handy, if ever you ruin front cam, ALS, or indicator LED Aug 01 19:16:39 when setting it to the lv profile it suggests 250 850 Aug 01 19:16:53 marginalMan: NO! Aug 01 19:16:59 no? Aug 01 19:17:06 that's all maximum bullshit Aug 01 19:17:13 marginalMan: the right settings are 250 600 Aug 01 19:17:13 LIKE NOKIA SAYS Aug 01 19:17:19 spread by noobs that don't have any clue Aug 01 19:17:29 min of 500? the FUCK Aug 01 19:17:44 no! don't listen to nokia! there is a conspiracy to make your devices run in a needlessly slow and not-on-fire way! Aug 01 19:17:52 lv profile is completely nonsense Aug 01 19:18:06 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=595582&postcount=774 Aug 01 19:18:25 easy guys... Aug 01 19:18:25 and any clock >600MHz will wear out your CPU at a rate of maybe 10% per week, maybe faster Aug 01 19:18:41 wow Aug 01 19:19:07 ok... so wht ure saying is stay away from oc Aug 01 19:19:29 marginalMan: do you *need* oc? Aug 01 19:19:38 I.E run your device on CPU locked to 800 and odds are it starts segfaulting like mad, after several weeks Aug 01 19:19:52 the "stutter" "jitter" many people experience isn't improved by OC anyway ;) Aug 01 19:20:02 yes, stay away from OC if you don't EXACTLY understand what it's all about Aug 01 19:20:40 Truth is, most people don't need the OC, and just do it for the e-peen, and the psychological effect "oooh it's soooooooo much faster" Aug 01 19:20:43 tried the 850 setting... -it does make it way smoother, more responsive, but if its gonna wear it out... -am sure i can do without it Aug 01 19:21:16 hey, if you have enough spare cash to buy a new n900 or maybe another phone when yours fucks up, do it Aug 01 19:21:30 heh, -i'll pass, thanks Aug 01 19:21:41 we're just insisting on the fact that it's not safe Aug 01 19:21:43 it can never be safe Aug 01 19:22:06 marginalMan: It's like messing with RPM limiter in engine of your car, so you can go to 8000 or 10000RPM to drive a little faster Aug 01 19:22:08 apart from that, do whatever you like, i guess Aug 01 19:22:15 motor will explode after a while Aug 01 19:22:33 ~nuke engine Aug 01 19:22:34 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at engine ... B☢☢M! Aug 01 19:22:37 DocScrutinizer: except that on an engine, you can change parts yourself relatively easily Aug 01 19:22:57 you mean i can't upgrade the CPU on my n900? Aug 01 19:23:01 not if they fuse togheter Aug 01 19:23:03 even if you go down to sane limits after a while, motor has taken damage on your running it at high RPM Aug 01 19:23:21 kerio: I've pushed quite a few engines to the max, never seen that happen. Aug 01 19:23:29 figured as much, -but if tht explosion happens after 3 years... -i'd hav said ok, -10% a week is a lil too steep Aug 01 19:23:42 do ARMs cook the same way as x86 and ppc cores i've cooked? Aug 01 19:23:51 marginalMan: "-10%/week" is a number straight from DocScrutinizer's ass, afaik Aug 01 19:23:52 i.e. just start getting the maths wrong after a bit Aug 01 19:23:56 such that everything crashes? Aug 01 19:24:05 kerio: sure it is Aug 01 19:24:13 haHA Aug 01 19:24:16 but my ass has GOOD numbers Aug 01 19:24:27 and those OC fanboys have NO numbers Aug 01 19:24:35 various people's ideas of safe/ideal overclock speeds are similarly pulled from various asses Aug 01 19:24:39 ~joerg Aug 01 19:24:40 somebody said joerg was a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer Aug 01 19:25:04 ok... -i loaded up enhanced linux kernel for power users to get this going... -havnt changed the default -which it reverts to on reboot... Aug 01 19:25:20 is this default the nokia default? Aug 01 19:25:25 or should i uninstall? Aug 01 19:26:30 I think you're ok with power kernel's boot default Aug 01 19:26:59 though power kernel is notorious to cause other little nasty inconveniences every now and then Aug 01 19:27:36 # kernel-config show: min-125 max-600 avoid-125 Aug 01 19:27:50 125 is unstable Aug 01 19:28:06 600 already is "official OC" Aug 01 19:28:08 thts^ wht the default shows... Aug 01 19:29:25 cant find no flaw at all with the device... -hardware/os -it is awesome Aug 01 19:29:37 but could do with a lil more processing power Aug 01 19:30:52 DocScrutinizer: wait, Nokia advertises an OC value? Aug 01 19:30:54 BCMM: I'd always prefer to trust in numbers from my ass, than in numbers or WFM cheers from OC fanboys that have so totally no clue at all they even think OC can be made safe by cooling the device or reducing core voltage Aug 01 19:32:06 luke-jr: sure, 600 is OC for the OMAP35xx we got in N900. As in "expected lifetime for 600: 1000h" Aug 01 19:32:26 the chip is rated for a continuous max clock of 500 Aug 01 19:32:39 45 days? Aug 01 19:32:47 41 days :| Aug 01 19:33:07 maybe 5000 Aug 01 19:33:16 208 days? Aug 01 19:33:20 still under a year Aug 01 19:33:21 had to check back with the specs-nonavailable Aug 01 19:33:46 damn' i'm going to go through a few n900's waiting for meego then Aug 01 19:34:11 that means I'm going to have to plan an upgrade before 2012 ☹ Aug 01 19:34:27 luke-jr: yep, So you don't want to lock your CPU clock to 600 for any extended period of days/weeks for no good reason. Except if you planned to discard the device after finishing that important task Aug 01 19:34:41 DocScrutinizer: *ahem* Gentoo Aug 01 19:35:38 -funrollloops needs 600 for weeks at a time Aug 01 19:35:48 DocScrutinizer: by the way what causes OC to harm the device even if voltage is lowered and cooling improved? looking at the electromigration wikipedia page (which of course could be wrong...) it appears that the main factor is current density which if I understand correctly should increase linearly with overclocking and decrease with lower voltage Aug 01 19:36:21 and nota bene that's always time the cpu is *actually clocked* at 600, not the time it's enabled to 1000 and in fact idling @ 250 or zeroclock Aug 01 19:38:02 Trewas: SmartReflex(R) implements a micro regulator in CPU for virtually every gate. So lowering Vcore just reduces the power dissipated by those micro regulators, but doesn't change anything for the actual gate voltage Aug 01 19:39:50 check TI doc download pages for whitepapers about SmartReflex technology Aug 01 19:39:54 DocScrutinizer: ok, but should increasing the current density by few tens of percents decrease the lifetime of the so drastically? or is the some heavily non-linear factor in play Aug 01 19:40:49 DocScrutinizer: does the 5000 hour counter reset after it idles? :P Aug 01 19:40:51 there's a non-linearity factor like on gas discharge lamps or Zeners, above a certain threshold it goes thru the roof Aug 01 19:42:06 I'd go set my N900 to max 500 MHz, but it's already laggy enough at 600 :/ Aug 01 19:42:11 Trewas: you need a certain minimum energy of electrons to strike a metal atom out of crystal Aug 01 19:42:15 and that's just with Maemo Aug 01 19:42:28 once you cross that limit it goes zooom Aug 01 19:42:35 why did Nokia use these slow procs rather than the 1.5 GHz Snapdragons? Aug 01 19:43:06 dev time? Aug 01 19:43:46 I didn't think snapdragons came in 1.5GHz back then? :) Aug 01 19:43:47 the n900 was developed most of a year ago Aug 01 19:43:59 2 years I'd say Aug 01 19:44:02 DocScrutinizer: makes sense, still somewhat surprising to me if the designs are made so close to the limit Aug 01 19:44:05 possibly, yes. Aug 01 19:44:13 ShadowJK: I was drooling over them back then… Aug 01 19:44:30 Trewas: That's the point - you don't know if they are. Aug 01 19:44:47 but TI knows Aug 01 19:44:51 Trewas: There are many possibilities. From 100% of CPUs will fail after 10-15000 hours at 850MHz. Aug 01 19:45:11 Trewas: think of it as TI shipping them OC'd :P Aug 01 19:45:15 Trewas: To all CPUs will work fine 'forever' - say 100000 hours - at whatever speed they can stably overclock to. Aug 01 19:45:50 I still haven't seen any benchmarks of snapdragon vs A8 :( Aug 01 19:45:51 * luke-jr notes good old i386 CPUs still work today Aug 01 19:45:58 I think OMAP35xx has 100.000 @ 500 Aug 01 19:46:03 TI may know that the 650MHz part is in fact stable to 800MHz, or they may not simply throw rejects + untested into the 650MHz bin Aug 01 19:47:31 luke-jr: oc'd to 600? Aug 01 19:47:50 toggles_w: or whatever Aug 01 19:48:04 ;-) Aug 01 19:48:20 TI doesn't clock the OMAP35xx, OEMs do. TI just recommends/suggests Aug 01 19:48:56 DocScrutinizer: except when TI is selling by speed?\ Aug 01 19:50:37 and of course TI has two interests: selling chips with brilliant numbers (like clock=1GHz) but also not to pay billions of dollars for device swap programs their customers have to do, because TI promised a certain lifespan @ clockspeed they couldn't deliver Aug 01 19:52:01 so TI does decent tests on what their chips can do for which timespan, before a certain percentage fails, and that's what their deals with Nokia are based on Aug 01 19:52:43 its the same proc tht is in the last gen iphone? Aug 01 19:53:33 now a few blockhead OC nitwits come and say "hey but when I do this or that, my device runs stable @ foo ExaHz" - pfrrrrrrrt Aug 01 19:53:51 whoa Exahz Aug 01 19:53:59 I'll risk my device for that Aug 01 19:54:01 :P Aug 01 19:55:38 TI says "100.000h@500, 5000h@600, 500h@750" or somesuch. Why should anybody know better how to get the best of performance out of TI SoC than TI does? Aug 01 19:56:28 ok, topic finished Aug 01 19:57:05 * DocScrutinizer shouting for nurse to get his valium IV injection Aug 01 19:57:33 breathe buddy... breathe... Aug 01 19:59:38 wait a second Aug 01 19:59:42 was s3c6410 always 800 MHz⁇ Aug 01 20:01:13 DocScrutinizer: the datasheet of course is not a performance optimising tool. It's part of marketing. Aug 01 20:03:11 sure Aug 01 20:03:28 So it may be that all parts can do forever @600 Aug 01 20:03:59 on a certain percentage of chips yes Aug 01 20:04:09 Or even all of them Aug 01 20:04:28 unlikely, as TI would have rated it 600 then Aug 01 20:04:57 it may be that the lucky N900 can do forever @ 600 Aug 01 20:05:41 you bet they got the dudes that know their math, to add a few 0/00 on top of the results of their tests, for error Aug 01 20:06:24 and they got the procedures to get decent test results giving a error margin of 0/00 only Aug 01 20:06:55 TI didn't start chip business last year Aug 01 20:07:12 DocScrutinizer: they would have rated it at 600, if they did not think that they can sell the 850MHz parts at a markup. Aug 01 20:07:20 Theoretically. Aug 01 20:08:15 THEORETICALLY possible. See what Kingston does with SanDisk flash chips Aug 01 20:08:44 SanDisk sells 32GB uSD class2, Kingston sells class4 Aug 01 20:08:59 though Kingston gets their chips from SanDisk Aug 01 20:09:24 now you know why I don't buy Kingston :-P Aug 01 20:10:31 ~omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! Aug 01 20:10:32 DocScrutinizer: okay Aug 01 20:10:34 just because *some* chips work at Class4/850MHz fine doesn't mean they *all* do Aug 01 20:10:52 if they do testing to sort them, they sell the better ones at a premium Aug 01 20:12:19 do you think SanDisk is too stupid to do decent tests on their own chips, while some reseller knows how to? OR SanDisk would sell premium to a lowcost reseller while using second grade on own brand Aug 01 20:14:39 it's just SanDisk IO error - WTF??? Kingston IO error - meh, what had I expected, get another one Aug 01 20:19:00 nite all, sweet dreams Aug 01 20:19:45 of course Kingston is using another flash controller chip in their SD than SanDisk does - well maybe maybe not. But then how would Kingston know how to build a controller that gets performance out of SanDisk NAND that SanDisk themselves doesn't know how to achieve? Aug 01 20:21:34 moin Aug 01 20:21:40 moinmoin Aug 01 20:21:50 moin DocScrutinizer Aug 01 20:22:46 are any bugs known wrt sending textmessages? i wanted to send someone my new number and only the 4th or so textmessage went thru... Aug 01 20:23:37 hi everyone Aug 01 20:23:50 SpeedEvil: so it's perfectly possible TI is selling very same chip from very same waver to another OEM rated @600, just telling them "Don't advertise it's a TI chip, and don't expect your device to live longer than 1 year" Aug 01 20:23:53 is this article still valid: http://www.alphatek.info/2010/02/13/install-the-nokia-n900-maemo-5-sdk-on-fedora/ ? Aug 01 20:24:12 it suggests some modifications to the .py installer of the Maemo SDK, but it is quite dated Aug 01 20:24:54 nox-: nope, nothing known Aug 01 20:25:17 hm Aug 01 20:26:42 nox-: go to menu of conversations, enable "receive delivery reports" Aug 01 20:26:53 ah good idea Aug 01 20:28:20 SMS is neither realtime nor guaranteed to deliver at all Aug 01 20:28:44 ocasional delays or even fails are rather common Aug 01 20:28:58 hm where exactly is that entry? Aug 01 20:29:14 conversations, menu, settings Aug 01 20:29:59 ah, found it, thx Aug 01 20:30:01 settings being 5th of 5. "delivery reports" 1st of 2 Aug 01 20:30:29 yep Aug 01 20:31:57 dunno how maemo rtcom / telepathy(?) handles a stack of SMS that weren't able to send due to conectivity loss Aug 01 20:32:15 might pile up and get sent an hour later, or whatever Aug 01 20:32:48 well at least my 3g link seems to be pretty good according to the little display at the top... Aug 01 20:33:33 * SpeedEvil has been streaming video for an hour or so a night over 3G. Aug 01 20:33:34 (its funny btw, just the day i got the sim i read in the local paper we now finally got 3g coverage too :) Aug 01 20:33:35 mhm, then it's probably the SMSCC that just dropped them, also the most usual case Aug 01 20:33:37 Works OK. Aug 01 20:34:03 nox-: \o/ Aug 01 20:42:17 this n900 hotspot isn working with any computer or cellfone i use Aug 01 20:43:22 Khertan: hey... back now Aug 01 20:43:46 did you get sorted? Aug 01 20:49:01 i wanna buy a batch of old, cheap PIIIs and overclock them into oblivion Aug 01 20:49:11 8GHz or something Aug 01 20:49:27 one cpu/month is not that much if that cpu costs 10€ Aug 01 20:54:57 kerio: who said it would last a month? Aug 01 20:55:08 in case you didn't notice, it scales more logarithmic than linear Aug 01 20:55:46 does N900 MWI for voicebox? Aug 01 20:56:03 kerio: also, in the meantime, it will miscalculate/malfunction ☺ Aug 01 20:56:27 kerio: why not get 8x 1 GHz P3s and leave them at normal speed? :P Aug 01 20:56:44 (of GSM, or - while thinking about it - maybe also for SIP) Aug 01 21:00:30 luke-jr: or using 3 badly overclocked PIIIs, and checking the answer Aug 01 21:00:47 at the same time, like a single cpu with redundancy Aug 01 21:03:02 lol Aug 01 21:03:20 P3s rule Aug 01 21:17:39 ok Aug 01 21:17:47 this wifi bug is really killing me Aug 01 21:17:50 D; Aug 01 21:17:52 god darn Aug 01 21:18:29 Nookla needs to get the *** out of their *** and fix that... sigh... not a new maemo release just give us a bug fix to non working wifi and all is well Aug 01 21:19:32 what wifi bug? Aug 01 21:20:20 wifi WFM Aug 01 21:20:24 sjk: After connected to wifi it just magically stops working Aug 01 21:20:36 for no good reason Aug 01 21:20:50 never happened here Aug 01 21:20:54 connect to 3G and connect back to the wifi - works again Aug 01 21:21:03 Jaffa: ping Aug 01 21:21:29 now I have measured and I know that every inch of my apt is very well covered signal wise so it can't be that. Aug 01 21:21:38 who edits mwn as well as Jaffa ? Aug 01 21:21:40 Hi ! Aug 01 21:21:49 tybollt: sounds like losing DHCP lease, or even credentials for WEP/WPA Aug 01 21:22:02 lol Aug 01 21:22:24 I take it that "connect to wifi" means that his connection drops, and can't reconnect Aug 01 21:22:28 not that it silently stops working Aug 01 21:22:44 what does "can't reconnect" mean? Aug 01 21:22:47 Though disconnecting entirely like when going to 3g has the side effect of unloading the driver I think :) Aug 01 21:22:48 why can't it reconnect? Aug 01 21:23:41 anyway I heard GAN report something very similar to this so thought it was a known issue Aug 01 21:23:53 how the hell shall *we* now? Aug 01 21:24:00 *know Aug 01 21:24:31 nothing in syslog? Aug 01 21:24:42 DocScrutinizer51: dhcp lease... doubt it very much :) Aug 01 21:24:52 what's your router/AP saying? Aug 01 21:24:55 but the losing wpa credentials - how'd that work? Aug 01 21:25:26 the AP is dumb so doesn't say anything really Aug 01 21:25:33 I think that the bug where wifi is left consuming huge amounts of power despite phone using cellular data is a known WONTFIX bug ;p Aug 01 21:25:45 but fair enough I'll go ahead and debug that then :) Aug 01 21:25:49 much similar to dhcp. you got a wpa lease for a certain duration and you need to renew afaik Aug 01 21:26:33 DocScrutinizer51: funny I don't see that on my laptop on the same network, ehr... on my laptop*s* :) Aug 01 21:26:41 yeah you can set the ap to rekey after some time... Aug 01 21:27:12 olrite that may be a clue then, will see about that Aug 01 21:28:21 But like, when he tries to connect it'd get a new WPA lease wouldn't it? Aug 01 21:29:14 sjk: The point is... if I read you correctly... the reloading of the driver (basically glorified insmod/modloads) is what reestablishes the connectiong? Aug 01 21:29:20 -g Aug 01 21:29:33 should, but when things go nuts because of e.g PSM Aug 01 21:30:08 Hi all, sorry for jumping in like this ;) (I know it can be annoying) I'm looking for an old forum thread but cant find it, what I need to know is where to place an icon that should be recognised by a .desktop file Aug 01 21:30:21 and sorry for the long post ;) thanks in advance.. Aug 01 21:30:23 tybollt, that's my guess Aug 01 21:30:33 tybollt, but I still don't know whether your issue is that N900 thinks it's connected when it's not Aug 01 21:30:54 or that it's disconnected and thinks it's disconnected and can't either find AP or connect to AP when you try Aug 01 21:31:35 it doies think it is connected, the connection one is the one hilighted in the data-connection selection display Aug 01 21:32:06 so connection stalls Aug 01 21:32:22 much like it does when PSM goes apeshit Aug 01 21:32:34 PSwhatnow? Aug 01 21:33:17 AP kicking device out of ARP table due to not answering ARP request. Or failing lease renewal, for whatever, there are several possible causes for that Aug 01 21:33:27 power saving mode Aug 01 21:34:07 hmm Aug 01 21:34:24 the thing where AP and device agree on sleeping for 5s now, and during that AP is buffering packets addressed for device Aug 01 21:34:26 that wifi-using-power wontfix bug, is that bc it tries to reconnect to wifi to save 3g bw? Aug 01 21:35:13 ok if it thinks it's connected, but no data flows, then I'd try with medium powersaving instead of the high powersaving Aug 01 21:35:45 nox-, dunno, it's left always scanning or always listening or something when it's supposed to just activate once every 5 minutes for a quick scan... or something like that Aug 01 21:35:55 oh hm Aug 01 21:35:58 dunno, I just ifconfig wlan0 down when it happens :) Aug 01 21:36:01 sounds broken Aug 01 21:36:04 heh Aug 01 21:37:00 might be related to a connection config in N900 having "hidden" property Aug 01 21:37:21 ah Aug 01 21:37:36 DocScrutinizer51: you mean if the network is set to not broadcast SSID? Aug 01 21:37:51 for AP with hidden SSID the device needs to actively ping them to query if they are one of the known AP with hidden SSID Aug 01 21:38:05 hmmm Aug 01 21:38:07 ok Aug 01 21:38:32 so that's likely my problem Aug 01 21:38:42 and really s/hidden/non advertised/ Aug 01 21:38:54 so if you got both a network connection with hidden SSID configured on your device, and an AP with hidden SSID in vicinity, there might start doom Aug 01 21:39:15 fair enough Aug 01 21:39:29 now to figure out why only N900 and not ERANGE other wifi consumers does this :) Aug 01 21:40:03 maybe they do? Aug 01 21:40:18 might have fonund it, tnx anyway ;) Aug 01 21:41:28 it could still only ping the `hidden' ap(s) every 5min like it does check the other wifi notworks Aug 01 21:42:00 yep, sure Aug 01 21:43:05 but probably there are ways to easily introduce a bug there, like not asigning a tag "ignore" to AP MAC that didn't respond nicely to a query Aug 01 21:43:20 yeah Aug 01 21:44:08 figure the list has primary key ESSID Aug 01 21:44:36 instead of MAC Aug 01 21:45:54 I noticed my laptop going stale/confused on multiple AP with identical SSID as well. Couldn't associate by MAC Aug 01 21:46:24 maybe a bug in WPA-supplicant or whatever Aug 01 21:47:15 multiple AP with hidden SSID will create same issue, just one magnitude of escalation worse :-P Aug 01 21:50:31 well in the end you get what you deserve, hidden SSID are *strongly* deprecated :-P Aug 01 21:50:56 huh what? Aug 01 21:51:01 why is hidden ssid wrong? Aug 01 21:51:19 or non broadcasted/advertised ssid Aug 01 21:51:24 introduces a number of vulnerabilities Aug 01 21:52:07 while not adding a single bit of useful additinal security or whatever Aug 01 21:52:56 DocScrutinizer: this is a surprise for me Aug 01 21:54:45 anyone using this? :S http://www.lcdskydd.se/popup_image.php?pID=81 Aug 01 21:55:04 what are those "buttons" for? Aug 01 21:55:08 and where's the space for the led Aug 01 21:55:15 and how are you going to open the camera lid Aug 01 21:55:24 and wtf, how do you open the kbd Aug 01 21:55:31 I was hoping someone'd tell me :D Aug 01 21:55:58 A brand new Protective Skin Case for your Nokia N900. Protects the phone that you love and adds a soft touch to your great gadget. The Skin Cases come with an Organic Anti-Dust (OAD) coating which is a special layer of Organic Anti-dust Material that is sprayed on the surface of the silicone case. This can avoid dust sticking to them. The case can be cleaned easily due to the anti-dust material. Great protection from light drops, scratches Aug 01 21:56:02 generic picture is generic? Aug 01 21:56:15 nid0: could be Aug 01 21:57:52 wrong picture or wrong brain Aug 01 21:58:21 oops sory I picked my dog's brain this morning, left mine at home Aug 01 21:59:53 mybe s/dog/canary bird/ Aug 01 22:01:48 my self build case is the best anyways :P Aug 01 22:05:45 greetings Aug 01 22:06:21 how to copy select and copy text from a webpage in Firefox in N900? Aug 01 22:09:40 so anyone tried a black silicone based cover for N900? Aug 01 22:15:04 smhar: does ctrl-a work? Aug 01 22:15:33 I noticed my laptop going stale/confused on multiple AP with identical SSID as well. Couldn't associate by MAC - how does n900 cope with that? Aug 01 22:17:45 nox-: never tried, there's no more AP with hidden SSID around here, and I don't need to use the AP of my neighbours anymore Aug 01 22:18:02 heh ok Aug 01 22:18:51 i guess if it goes by signal strength maybe thats even `good enough'... Aug 01 22:18:58 So I didn't even try to associate to an open AP with non-unique name Aug 01 22:20:39 but, in the end, for all AP with identical SSID they are supposed to form a network with same credentials and WPA/DHCP lease handover. So how would that be different on APs with shared SSID Aug 01 22:21:27 It can not work Aug 01 22:24:13 Unable to install Extra protocol support for Conversations and Contacts (MSN) Aug 01 22:24:18 I wonder why though :S Aug 01 22:24:35 lmao, in CSI, some powerdrill killed its owner because the power cable had been reversed, and it hence was "reversed polarity"... On a 110, alternative current power cable xD Aug 01 22:24:47 LOL Aug 01 22:24:54 muhahaha Aug 01 22:25:03 rofl Aug 01 22:25:10 don't laugh... it could happen.... Aug 01 22:25:10 hahahahaa really am lmao here Aug 01 22:25:39 lbt, i thought only on three-phase power? Aug 01 22:25:47 CSI, so close to reality the police gets nervous about gangsters gathering too much knowledge - YEAH Aug 01 22:25:54 hehe yeah Aug 01 22:26:26 nox-: you can't reverse three phase, silly... there's an odd number of wired Aug 01 22:26:52 no but if you connect the phases wrong a motor might run reverse Aug 01 22:27:06 hello Aug 01 22:27:18 nox-: absolutely Aug 01 22:27:40 in german it's called phase direction Aug 01 22:28:02 or rotation direction (sic!) Aug 01 22:28:24 i have n900!i deleted rare mp3 from my n900!how to i want recover it? Aug 01 22:28:40 oh noes Aug 01 22:29:02 timeless_mbp, I want a small selected text only not the whole page Aug 01 22:29:12 mkargar: riight click the tashbin and choose undelte... ... oh wait... Aug 01 22:29:13 DocScrutinizer: it gets even more fun when you move the phase by 60 degrees on two phases, but not the third one... Mechanical fireworks Aug 01 22:29:17 nox-: there's even 3-phase plugs that have a switch for that :-P Aug 01 22:29:19 mkargar: was it stored on the SD? Aug 01 22:29:43 that's FAT32 and you may have some luck using an undelete tool... Aug 01 22:30:22 if it was on the 32G partition or sdhc card those should be vfat so possibly recoverable by something like photorec or what it was called Aug 01 22:30:48 lbt:no! Aug 01 22:30:58 it's gone then Aug 01 22:31:23 seem to remember some killer swapped phase and PE on the plug of a drilling machine. Was that also CSI? Aug 01 22:31:29 tybollt:tashbin?! Aug 01 22:32:21 hmm lots of gems at tmo :) Aug 01 22:32:45 did jacek try flash 10 btw? Aug 01 22:32:47 DocScrutinizer: yeah, on top of a in-construction prison Aug 01 22:32:49 what happened? Aug 01 22:32:53 DocScrutinizer: I'm watching it now Aug 01 22:32:56 please help me? Aug 01 22:33:01 mkargar, not even the MyDocs partition? Aug 01 22:33:06 lbt: eMMC also FAT32 Aug 01 22:33:56 anyway, low battery, I should turn my laptop off before Hollywood predicts my death through electromagnetic induction of my testicles. Later Aug 01 22:33:59 wtf... i can't access MyDocs through storage mode :| Aug 01 22:34:37 it's correctly unmounted on the n900 Aug 01 22:34:43 nox-:yes!I have mydoc partition! Aug 01 22:35:04 mkargar, if the mp3 was on there try something like `photorec' Aug 01 22:35:17 no guarantee but it `might' work... Aug 01 22:35:27 photorec? Aug 01 22:35:35 for mp3? Aug 01 22:35:54 well there may be others too Aug 01 22:36:16 photorec has a group of recognition plugins afaik Aug 01 22:36:48 mc has unearse for ext2/ext3 :-/ Aug 01 22:36:50 nox-:photorec is recovery tool? Aug 01 22:37:01 yeah for fat at least afaik Aug 01 22:37:02 yes, and mp3 is on the list Aug 01 22:37:13 http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/File_Formats_Recovered_By_PhotoRec Aug 01 22:37:50 probably best is to plug into a windows PC and use native windows tools for unerasing files on vfat Aug 01 22:37:58 * lcuk nods Aug 01 22:38:08 why has this one file only got one home if its rare? Aug 01 22:38:58 yeah just what i was thinking... `data thats not backed up isnt important by definition' Aug 01 22:39:11 :) Aug 01 22:39:22 fucking automount fail Aug 01 22:39:23 :| Aug 01 22:39:44 i can understand if it was created on the device Aug 01 22:39:54 and not had a chance to be gotten off yet Aug 01 22:40:00 true Aug 01 22:41:07 lcuk: they claim to reover files with known headers, and then said *.txt files :) Aug 01 22:42:21 asj, sure, its scanning for filenames - windows is clever like that :P Aug 01 22:42:50 lcuk: are you claiming there's a better way to distinguish a file's type than a TLA? Aug 01 22:43:04 A WITCH I SAY, IT'S WITCHCRAFT Aug 01 22:43:06 nox-:ok!in fact,my problem not rare mp3!i recorded audio file by ''recorder'' program and saved it with ''file'' name!since of 5 min,i recorded another audio by ''recorder;; app!in proccessing save file,i choose same name(file) and it rewriten on the first audio file!but,i have firs recorded audio!!how to recover it? Aug 01 22:43:10 * lcuk still gets confused by the linux mechanism of no extension requirement and shebangs (tho very very powerful) Aug 01 22:43:37 mkargar, oooh so you wrote over the same file :( Aug 01 22:43:42 kerio, in windows at least i can know at a glance that an apple is an apple Aug 01 22:44:01 mkargar, as fat doesnt to cow like say zfs, id say the data is gone Aug 01 22:44:08 mkargar, you messed up now Aug 01 22:44:13 thats not the same as deletion Aug 01 22:44:16 nox-:*iwant first recorded audio! Aug 01 22:44:18 indeed Aug 01 22:44:28 mkargar: tough luck Aug 01 22:44:37 next time, be more careful and make copies Aug 01 22:44:44 deletion invalidates just the link entry Aug 01 22:45:00 writing stuff over it may infact vape the data Aug 01 22:45:02 if the first recording was longer maybe the end is still readable if find its `clusters'... Aug 01 22:45:06 and no1 will know what Aug 01 22:45:06 if you Aug 01 22:45:34 can the default mediaplayer open apple lossless files? Aug 01 22:45:36 heh. listen to the whole device as audio Aug 01 22:45:48 and see whether your ears explode first Aug 01 22:45:50 lcuk: hahaha Aug 01 22:45:53 or you encounter the fragment Aug 01 22:46:03 but its mp3 Aug 01 22:46:13 so you are looking for frames (you said it was mp3?) Aug 01 22:46:18 which would be even worse Aug 01 22:46:27 mp123 /dev/mmcblk0 Aug 01 22:46:39 eventually you'll hit it! :D Aug 01 22:46:45 ASKJHSHSKJDHSSHJSDKHSAHJSHKDJSHASKJDHSKJSDHSAKHDKJSADHSAKDHSADHKDHSSHJSKHHKJ Aug 01 22:47:15 nox-:please help me?is it imposible recover it? Aug 01 22:47:58 can the deault media player read apple lossless or m4a/aac? Aug 01 22:48:03 mkargar, do not write anything else to the disk Aug 01 22:48:13 mkargar, if the first recording was longer than the second then the end of the first one may still be on the flash Aug 01 22:48:14 contact a data recovery specialist Aug 01 22:49:04 or at least dd the fs to an image on a pc and use that for recovery Aug 01 22:49:16 copies of that... Aug 01 22:49:20 nox-:yes!first file was 88 min!second file is 6sec! Aug 01 22:51:26 nox-:? Aug 01 22:51:28 kerio, aac i think it can Aug 01 22:51:39 apple lossless? :3 Aug 01 22:51:48 dunno Aug 01 22:51:53 if not maybe try mplayer? Aug 01 22:52:06 nox-: that would be cheating Aug 01 22:52:12 heh Aug 01 22:52:19 also vlc > mplayer Aug 01 22:52:22 PROVE ME WRONG Aug 01 22:52:33 does vlc run on n900 too? Aug 01 22:52:39 sure Aug 01 22:52:44 oh heh Aug 01 22:52:45 no frontend Aug 01 22:52:47 cvlc Aug 01 22:52:48 mkargar, try the suggestions here, take a backup and run the photorec tool. see if it does anything and magically brings it back Aug 01 22:52:49 ah Aug 01 22:52:56 but stop bloody writing to that disk Aug 01 22:53:11 and in this case backup == image Aug 01 22:53:26 yes dd it Aug 01 22:53:29 yes Aug 01 22:53:56 * lcuk vanishes to bed time coding ponderment Aug 01 22:54:01 I love my N900, I use it for practically everything. If I could, I would use it to cook my meals, etc. There is probably a way to get it to cook, I mean, it does everything else... Aug 01 22:54:31 lcuk:ok!i install photorec! Aug 01 22:54:35 there is at least one cooking recipe app Aug 01 22:54:52 hildonised and optimised afaik :) Aug 01 22:55:12 pyrecipe Aug 01 22:55:36 the touchscreen may not like dirty hands tho :) Aug 01 22:55:48 mm voice control? Aug 01 22:55:52 heh Aug 01 22:56:12 "computer, make me bacon" Aug 01 22:56:23 technomike: well, duh Aug 01 22:56:28 ARGHGGHGHGHGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH i said make me bacon, not make me into bacon Aug 01 22:56:43 read the linux-coffee howto and port bacon on it Aug 01 22:56:52 hahahaha Aug 01 22:57:26 we had bacon butties as the food at the wedding rececption this weekend. was the most awesome wedding reception i have ever been to Aug 01 22:57:28 speech recog lib -where? when? why not yet? Aug 01 22:58:11 DocScrutinizer, because only future computers have viable speech recog, but we need proper star trek communicator phone app once all the stuff gets open source Aug 01 22:58:43 including needing to flip it open using an accelometer gesture Aug 01 22:58:47 not just land/port Aug 01 22:58:53 hmm, voice dialing and cmd seems to work pretty nice on N95 Aug 01 22:59:31 "computer phone see dive" Aug 01 22:59:35 "formatting c drive now" Aug 01 22:59:49 some 10 years ago I had a linux app that was able to learn 16 words, and sometimes even recognize them correctly Aug 01 23:00:00 vanished into oblivion :-( Aug 01 23:00:01 hehe Aug 01 23:01:12 the n900 has no voice dialing ._. Aug 01 23:01:14 DocScrutinizer, perhaps the problem is not trying to recognise things and fit input into boxes in a usual manner, its about adding context to the things it hears Aug 01 23:01:42 kerio, temporary problem, i bet its feasible :P Aug 01 23:02:22 I'd be more than happy with nato alphabet plus alternate, control, escape, enter, backspace Aug 01 23:03:08 maybe plus 0..9 Aug 01 23:03:38 some special chars, like + - $ * # / Aug 01 23:03:48 no context, PLEASE! Aug 01 23:04:18 having to spell out everything sounds slow tho Aug 01 23:05:01 heh my gps thingy for the car has an amazing voice discovery Aug 01 23:05:12 basically never fails Aug 01 23:06:24 voice discovery? Aug 01 23:07:12 eh it's too late for me :) voice recognition/voice input system... Aug 01 23:08:05 I don't mind a "alternate" >alternate on<, "delta" >dial command on, tell first char<, "whiskey" >double-u, 16 contacts<, "echo" >double-u eh, 1 contact<, "enter" >dialing contact 'Werner', number: 1, 3, 2, 2...< Aug 01 23:08:11 DocScrutinizer, i mean context as in your input, you specify what an utterance means Aug 01 23:09:15 obviously alternate-D means dial, in example above Aug 01 23:12:05 tybollt: ah ok Aug 01 23:12:23 tybollt: my car isn't bad either Aug 01 23:12:30 lcuk: you got the context problem all the time, no matter which MMI you use Aug 01 23:14:41 "N900, kill Flanders" Aug 01 23:15:24 hell, even my 10 years old 6210 knows how to dial one of 10 contacts that have spoken name trained. And it does that rather reliably (in silent environment) Aug 01 23:16:18 somewhere i seen a pocket-sphinx port for the n900 .. without any useable apps around :/ Aug 01 23:16:39 N95 recognizes contact names without any training, neither for correct pronounciation of contact names nor for speaker Aug 01 23:21:41 so given the facts there's absolutely zero OS specific code in such a speech recognition function - except interfacing to audio for recording, and that's quite simple enough - why doesn'r Nokia bother to port that symbian speech recog to N900, I mean there's other closed source apps you need to install as a blob, so it can't be copyright issues or anything Aug 01 23:22:28 Licensing issues, probably. Aug 01 23:22:36 I doubt they own all the code. Aug 01 23:22:54 blah, the LICENCE IT, NOKIA! you got the money Aug 01 23:22:54 I doubt they wrote any of it :P Aug 01 23:23:02 then* Aug 01 23:23:23 I bet they didn't Aug 01 23:23:37 as they didn't write a sngle line of code for bme Aug 01 23:24:11 * DocScrutinizer stabs Robot101 Aug 01 23:25:33 I wonder if it's a service that wasn't used very much Aug 01 23:25:55 I know I tried it on my Symbian phones, then found the user interface to the voice recognition useless and never used it again Aug 01 23:26:43 asj: the point is on N900 the users are in cntrol over the user interface, if only Nokia would provide the lib Aug 01 23:28:00 so probably the chance to put this tho proper use and usability first time ever Aug 01 23:28:22 DocScrutinizer: are there no oss options? Aug 01 23:29:12 never found any. There are ultraheavy universitary projects for full text recognition but nothing simple and lightweight Aug 01 23:30:02 as mentioned above, 10 years ago there was an app that could learn like 16 words Aug 01 23:30:15 more like a PoC Aug 01 23:30:40 hmm http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/ Aug 01 23:31:05 looks like this is opensource? Aug 01 23:32:13 DocScrutinizer: i remember seeing something about even the commercial speech recognition stuff has stalled since the early 2k's Aug 01 23:33:13 nox-: seems like that's one of the 2 much-too-heavy univeritary projects Aug 01 23:33:37 heh Aug 01 23:33:47 maybe the algos are just complex... Aug 01 23:34:18 yep, as it's true speech-to-text, not a simple recognition of a limited set of words Aug 01 23:34:26 aah ok Aug 01 23:35:01 S2T never worked THAT great Aug 01 23:35:16 still theres something called `pocketsphinx' so it might run on n900... Aug 01 23:35:22 probably not a lot of comercial good in it, either, since the delta between what's possible and what it'd take to be profitable is probably pretty large. Aug 01 23:35:28 as you always run into the context problem changing meaning and thus spelling of similarly sounding words Aug 01 23:36:24 yeah tho i guess context is also used to improve recognition rates Aug 01 23:37:15 on "dial number - - Werner - - OK" there's just as much context Aug 01 23:37:30 true Aug 01 23:37:43 or "start application -- xchat - - OK" Aug 01 23:38:47 "set alarm - - one, two, oh, oh -- OK" Aug 01 23:40:12 rsync to sync music through usb is fucking awesome Aug 01 23:41:56 i'm scared of unplugging my usb cable now Aug 01 23:41:59 tracker :( Aug 01 23:42:18 hehe Aug 01 23:42:46 is there a way to stop it and force it to start from the absolute scratch? Aug 01 23:43:05 sure Aug 01 23:43:16 just forgot how Aug 01 23:43:22 rsync? yes but why? Aug 01 23:43:28 BugBlue: what else? Aug 01 23:44:53 just start it again and rsync will make sure what needs to be transfered Aug 01 23:47:26 not the transfer Aug 01 23:47:28 the stupid tracker Aug 01 23:47:30 ._. Aug 01 23:47:41 i know rsync is smart enough to figure all things by himself Aug 01 23:48:12 (except that vfat is stupid so it needs a bigger time window and that os x is stupid so it needs to exclude .DS_Store) Aug 01 23:48:34 DocScrutinizer: I HAVE THE URGE TO OVERCLOCK TO MAKE IT GO FASTER Aug 01 23:48:41 WHAT CAN I DO Aug 01 23:51:50 tell people to optimise their apps so they dont waste cpu or battery Aug 01 23:52:24 lcuk: *hahahahahaha* Aug 01 23:52:29 hehe Aug 01 23:52:32 -sigh- Aug 01 23:52:33 :( Aug 01 23:52:44 kerio: rsync -P for once .. Aug 01 23:52:55 and use another filesystem than fat :P Aug 01 23:53:22 (well there is some parameter for rsync to support some timestamp fuzz) Aug 01 23:53:23 yeah, i'll just reformat MyDocs to use ext2 Aug 01 23:53:39 and -P just tells him to continue where he left off Aug 01 23:53:46 which is *useless* since it's a local transfer Aug 01 23:53:48 urgs .. why not ext3 or ext4? :P Aug 01 23:54:47 is ext3 really better for flash? Aug 01 23:55:11 ubifs is good for flash Aug 01 23:55:15 its better optimized meanwhile .. and the writes to the log are neglectible Aug 01 23:55:16 or so i heard Aug 01 23:55:32 ubifs is for raw flash, not mmc/sd Aug 01 23:56:14 the root filesystem is ubifs but you cant use that on blockdevices Aug 01 23:57:04 ext4 will only work with an extended kernel, just for the record (anyways, i use it) Aug 01 23:58:40 nox-: >>...and is successfully used on IPhone, Nokia Maemon devices and on Windows Mobile.<< (pocketsphinx) Aug 01 23:58:59 heh Aug 01 23:59:56 looks like the text itself was dictated using sphinx :-P the "typos" are phonetic, like "ariphmetics" Aug 01 23:59:59 :-D Aug 02 00:00:16 hi Aug 02 00:00:19 couple of questions Aug 02 00:00:21 #1 Aug 02 00:00:25 good app manager alternative Aug 02 00:00:36 fapman Aug 02 00:00:40 Skynets: fapman Aug 02 00:00:52 srsly guys Aug 02 00:01:04 oh Aug 02 00:01:06 what now? Aug 02 00:01:08 its called fapman Aug 02 00:01:09 lol Aug 02 00:01:14 DocScrutinizer: yestereday while biking i could have used a sphinx input method for xchat Aug 02 00:01:33 im in "all" Aug 02 00:01:49 cant see fapan Aug 02 00:01:49 Skynets: "faster application manager" Aug 02 00:01:50 Faster Application Manager Aug 02 00:02:19 * DocScrutinizer sighs Aug 02 00:02:22 thanks Aug 02 00:02:28 awesome program, awesomer name Aug 02 00:02:39 * kerio is easily amused Aug 02 00:03:34 cant find it.... Aug 02 00:03:38 nox-: last time I checked there was only sphinx3 & 4, no pocketsphinx :-D Aug 02 00:03:44 MAEMO EXTRAS DEVEL = failed to refresh Aug 02 00:04:01 retry in 2 hours Aug 02 00:04:07 ah same issue i have with the tools repo Aug 02 00:04:15 :( Aug 02 00:04:41 is there any other repos i should add Aug 02 00:04:42 akamei is out for getting new beer Aug 02 00:04:46 that are not for maemo Aug 02 00:04:49 like ones with roms Aug 02 00:04:54 and ports Aug 02 00:05:01 and apps that arent in the maemo repos Aug 02 00:05:23 had to manually grab traceroute tcpdump less using the pc and scp them to the phone Aug 02 00:05:27 DocScrutinizer: pocketsphinx was somewhere mentioned on t.m.o iirc not packaged for an official repo but available on some webpage Aug 02 00:05:29 and dpkg -i... :/ Aug 02 00:05:47 (official including community repos) Aug 02 00:11:08 my otrher question is.... how can i access a windows shared folder from the n900 Aug 02 00:12:22 hmmm, integrating pocketsphinx into keyboard driver, appstarter, etc might make a nice project, indeed Aug 02 00:12:49 s/etc/dialer, contacts, etc/ Aug 02 00:12:49 DocScrutinizer meant: hmmm, integrating pocketsphinx into keyboard driver, appstarter, dialer, contacts, etc might make a nice project, indeed Aug 02 00:13:40 mediaplayer \o/ Aug 02 00:13:54 "skip to next song" Aug 02 00:14:31 "playback album vision thing" Aug 02 00:15:25 btw re mediaplayer... can you tell it to play an albin in track order instead of alphabetically? Aug 02 00:15:29 album even Aug 02 00:15:49 lol, good question Aug 02 00:18:57 01 - Jihad, 02 - Colors, 03 - Giving Ground, 04 - Finland Red, Egypt White, 05 - Rain From Heaven Aug 02 00:19:05 WFM :-P Aug 02 00:20:06 yeah but that requires retagging then right? (not just renaming) Aug 02 00:22:22 is there an alternative to the media player? Aug 02 00:22:29 with an equalizer Aug 02 00:23:06 symfonie has one Aug 02 00:23:11 audio only though Aug 02 00:25:28 is possible to use gps in offline mode? Aug 02 00:26:06 i think you can get a fix, but not use the mapping app Aug 02 00:27:09 exelero: yes, takes long to get a fix and dont move the device until you have a fix (thats faster than) Aug 02 00:27:13 and dont use ovi maps :P Aug 02 00:27:44 and is possible to view output of gps in xterminal? Aug 02 00:27:44 mappero works fine some weeks ago i biked through france entirely offline (preloaded maps) Aug 02 00:28:37 there are some apps for that, dunno about direct gps from console but there is a gps loggger and a minigpsd Aug 02 00:28:42 ok Aug 02 00:28:44 and a handful other apps Aug 02 00:28:52 how do i initiate a skype video call? Aug 02 00:28:59 it doesnt seem to want to do it Aug 02 00:29:09 if someone calls me and does it... it works Aug 02 00:29:16 Macer: if you partner has video capabiliity it shows that Aug 02 00:29:29 they do Aug 02 00:29:33 in the contacts app 'make video call' Aug 02 00:29:37 they just called me and it popped up Aug 02 00:29:50 but my n900 isnt picking up on their vid stuff Aug 02 00:29:51 works for me Aug 02 00:29:56 :( Aug 02 00:29:58 damnit Aug 02 00:30:13 let me see again Aug 02 00:31:21 isnt luke-jr doing some console gps dump thing? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 02 00:31:44 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 02 00:36:15 2010 Aug 02 00:48:29 wpa2 works for me Aug 02 00:48:49 Anyone familiar with the problem that the latest Pidgin for Diablo has broken status bar icons? Aug 02 00:49:11 Skynets, my speed on wireles lan , 500kb/s(upload) and 1700kb/s(download) with winscp Aug 02 00:49:24 0,5MB up , 1,7MB down Aug 02 00:49:25 :-) Aug 02 00:50:06 that's what she said? Aug 02 00:51:09 Macer: hahahaha Aug 02 00:51:30 lcuk: cehteh: low-level GPS dump to stdout working 100% now; NMEA output for gpsd working ~90% Aug 02 00:52:54 huh? Aug 02 00:53:14 what is funny? Aug 02 00:53:20 it worked great Aug 02 00:53:22 :) Aug 02 00:53:49 i was vid chatting with my son who is at my parents house now Aug 02 00:54:24 hopefully skype didnt hijack my 3G sppeds :-P Aug 02 00:54:36 speed Aug 02 00:54:37 * DocScrutinizer wonders how to access GPS when rapuyama is off (which it is supposed to be in offline mode) Aug 02 00:54:52 maybe AT+CFUN=0 Aug 02 00:55:43 DocScrutinizer: NFC what rapuyama is Aug 02 00:55:53 nor any of that AT nonsense Aug 02 00:55:53 modem Aug 02 00:56:03 probably can't then Aug 02 00:56:12 GPS connected to modem connected to AP Aug 02 00:56:28 modem off -> no access to GPS Aug 02 00:56:34 rapuyama is the 3g modem? Aug 02 00:56:38 AP = Access Point Aug 02 00:56:39 yep Aug 02 00:56:48 Application Processor Aug 02 00:56:52 *cough* Aug 02 00:56:54 don't make conflicting acronyms Aug 02 00:56:59 A Prick Aug 02 00:57:00 heh Aug 02 00:57:01 SoC or OMAP works fine Aug 02 00:57:15 k Aug 02 00:57:56 at+cfun=? sets modem fnctions to several power down modes Aug 02 00:57:57 I wrote a blob to low-level initialize rapuyama Aug 02 00:58:08 DocScrutinizer: nothing I have seen uses AT commands… Aug 02 00:58:50 at least, it works for me Aug 02 00:58:50 ok, 0x34FF2A001D2FAC002A then Aug 02 00:58:56 no idea if anyone else tested it Aug 02 00:58:59 wtf is that Aug 02 00:59:12 :-P Aug 02 00:59:22 Is DataViz just distributing a .deb for docs to go? Aug 02 00:59:49 well, for you it doesn't mean anything more than any AT nonsense Aug 02 00:59:50 DocScrutinizer: it's a blob because I just took strace output and ported it to C Aug 02 00:59:54 whats with the phone not showing videos recorded by the cam on the tv out? Aug 02 01:00:22 for others AT nonsense is more legible than any hexdump of rapuyama mmap interface Aug 02 01:00:47 DocScrutinizer: irrelevant when N900 doesn't use AT nonsense Aug 02 01:01:09 is this rapuyama protocol documented anywhere btw? Aug 02 01:01:24 * DocScrutinizer frowns Aug 02 01:03:59 luke-jr: I'm just to lazy to use an epic length explanation of the concepts of soft-off in modems, when I can say AT+CFUN instead, which is a tag to summarize all the concepts that are behind that, no matter if communicated to modem in hex, binary, AT, or tonal Aug 02 01:04:52 or by pulling strings Aug 02 01:05:40 of course I'm well aware the only thing that talks AT is the braindamaged pnatd Aug 02 01:06:40 whatever Aug 02 01:09:57 and I'd really like it to have AT commands for engineering mode (%EM) and also for talking to GPS (whatever those might be in the sane world) Aug 02 01:10:17 in pnatd Aug 02 01:10:45 wtf is pnatd? ☺ Aug 02 01:10:58 AT nonsense Aug 02 01:11:35 /usr/bin/pnatd Aug 02 01:13:38 * nox- is somehow reminded of `winmodems'... Aug 02 01:13:59 yup Aug 02 01:19:33 winmodem == telephony card Aug 02 01:19:56 it's really not Windows' fault that Linux still has no software modem stack Aug 02 01:19:56 how can I profile on the N900? Aug 02 01:20:04 gprof? Aug 02 01:20:25 so I need debug versions on dependent libraries? Aug 02 01:20:56 do* Aug 02 01:24:38 does the n900 repo work now Aug 02 01:25:01 to get that fap app Aug 02 01:25:27 ? Aug 02 01:27:29 extras devel repo or something like that was down Aug 02 01:27:36 couldnt get fapman Aug 02 01:27:38 or fapapp Aug 02 01:27:42 or wtv its called Aug 02 01:28:21 … Aug 02 01:28:27 sicko Aug 02 01:28:40 the repos haven't been down in a while, iirc Aug 02 01:28:59 oh, faster application manager Aug 02 01:30:04 nitdroid couldnt come at a better time Aug 02 01:30:06 GO DJSTEVE Aug 02 01:30:21 microlith, apt-get update so far only got 404 on the tools repo at least Aug 02 01:30:30 huh Aug 02 01:30:38 * microlith doesn't have tools on his device Aug 02 01:30:45 microlith, manual downloading of debs worked so i guess its some akamai issue... Aug 02 01:35:23 Skynets: as if NITdroid works Aug 02 01:35:35 what do u mean Aug 02 02:14:25 hi all Aug 02 02:14:44 hi Aug 02 02:16:09 when we take the backup and select "communication and calendar", all the conversations r backed up right? Aug 02 02:16:16 SpeedEvil: Heyo Aug 02 02:16:19 You're good? Aug 02 02:16:31 Long time no speak Aug 02 02:40:43 matthew-: Not especially good no. But mostly OK. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 02 02:59:57 2010