**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 02 02:59:57 2010 Aug 02 03:19:37 hello Aug 02 03:19:48 Hi Aug 02 03:20:13 hi Ken-Young Aug 02 03:20:54 * CasTTeLLo q[^_^]p Aug 02 03:22:54 looking for Malaysia users.. Aug 02 03:24:00 so silent Aug 02 03:24:20 Europe is asleep. Aug 02 03:24:43 yeah u r rite Aug 02 03:25:08 so u r from?? Aug 02 03:25:27 Cambridge, MA, USA. Aug 02 03:25:42 Are you in Malaysia? Aug 02 03:44:18 yello Aug 02 03:48:01 blue Aug 02 03:49:54 orange Aug 02 04:22:07 chmoki svem v etom chatike Aug 02 04:58:48 anyone mind answering a maemo 4.x question regarding usb host mode? Aug 02 05:50:04 lbt: GeneralAntilles Aug 02 05:50:42 morn jaffa Aug 02 05:50:49 Morning Aug 02 06:24:19 back at work. Bleh :/ Aug 02 06:24:53 * Stskeeps offers strong work coffee Aug 02 06:26:58 Thanks Stskeeps. 6 weeks of sunny weather in the archipelago does not do well for motivation apparently. Aug 02 06:29:12 oops Aug 02 06:50:35 LiraNuna> how can I profile on the N900? Aug 02 06:50:35 gprof? Aug 02 06:50:40 heh, MWKN link in RSS looks like http://www.mwkn.net/2010/31/ Aug 02 06:50:45 where can I find that ON the N900? Aug 02 06:50:45 which gives directory listing Aug 02 06:50:55 LiraNuna: emerge gprof Aug 02 06:51:04 luke-jr, ahha Aug 02 06:52:39 not all are running gentoo on our N900s Aug 02 06:53:01 your loss Aug 02 06:53:03 :D Aug 02 06:53:10 Morning Aug 02 06:53:23 luke-jr, I'd like to use my N900 as a functional phone Aug 02 06:53:31 you know, you make calls Aug 02 06:53:33 to* Aug 02 06:53:48 haven't found an OS for it that does that yet Aug 02 06:54:02 LiraNuna: end user! Aug 02 06:54:12 * timeless_mbp looks for an end-user-begone Aug 02 06:54:35 luke-jr, maemo does it pretty well Aug 02 06:54:51 LiraNuna: nah, Maemo takes 5-10 seconds from when it starts ringing until you can answer the call Aug 02 06:54:53 yeah there aer problems Aug 02 06:55:44 my spelling is shit today Aug 02 06:58:41 Free Heroes 2 passed extas QA, but the demodata package is still missing votes. So I think I'll wait for that. What do you think? Aug 02 07:02:32 [A Aug 02 07:02:34 morning Aug 02 07:02:44 morning .. Aug 02 07:02:53 good morning Aug 02 07:12:37 hey everyone Aug 02 07:12:41 need to confirm one thing Aug 02 07:12:46 for the emmc flash Aug 02 07:13:04 i have downloaded the latest vanilla version of emmc Aug 02 07:13:11 and now downloading the latest pr 1.2 Aug 02 07:13:48 so following the instructions here https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Updating_.26_Flashing_your_device Aug 02 07:14:08 i'm supposed to update the flash the device with the latest pr1.2 first Aug 02 07:14:13 without the R switch Aug 02 07:14:17 and then flash the emmc ? Aug 02 07:14:21 and thats it right ? Aug 02 07:14:26 hi is there a way to recover IM passwords on n900? Aug 02 07:14:28 without rebooting in between Aug 02 07:14:35 as long as you flash both w/o rebooting between Aug 02 07:14:46 specifically viop password Aug 02 07:14:47 sobczyk: most stuff is in gconf Aug 02 07:17:28 ~/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg Aug 02 07:17:34 your password is there Aug 02 07:19:21 timeless_mbp: already checked that, there is all except passwords in that file Aug 02 07:20:08 well, i have 3 passwords in that file Aug 02 07:20:14 2 gtalks and a skype Aug 02 07:20:47 * timeless_mbp goes fishing Aug 02 07:21:14 anyone has experience with arm/neon ? Aug 02 07:21:25 i learned to dislike both Aug 02 07:21:30 do i get points for that? :) Aug 02 07:23:14 morning Aug 02 07:26:34 timeless_mbp: I can't find any passwords there :( Aug 02 07:27:33 my passwords might be from 1.0 Aug 02 07:31:11 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41164 should indicate where they are Aug 02 07:31:26 but it's a long thread and i don't believe tmo exists Aug 02 07:31:39 browsing that one Aug 02 07:33:03 haha ... i wanted to vote for free heroes ... Aug 02 07:33:13 but login / pass didn't work Aug 02 07:33:14 If you just created your account in garage.maemo.org, try again in a few minutes.Thank you. Aug 02 07:33:22 Khertan, doh Aug 02 07:33:25 hh normal i didn't have garage account Aug 02 07:33:50 Khertan, this one needs votes.. Aug 02 07:33:53 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fheroes2-demodata/1.0-maemo-3/ Aug 02 07:34:02 yep but i can't :) Aug 02 07:34:06 doh Aug 02 07:34:17 and will not create a garage account just for voting :) Aug 02 07:34:22 heh Aug 02 07:34:32 any super testers on here? Aug 02 07:34:46 sorry i delete mine to protest again maemo extra repository Aug 02 07:34:52 and their qa :) Aug 02 07:34:59 Already got 2 supertester votes on the demodata package. Aug 02 07:35:35 Khertan, The supertester bit is a big help. Aug 02 07:36:27 supertester ? Aug 02 07:36:33 what s ? Aug 02 07:37:22 people whose votes count for more. you need only 3 supertester votes to pass qa Aug 02 07:38:11 how many people have this supertester bits ? Aug 02 07:38:20 4 I think Aug 02 07:38:20 and how there are choosen ? Aug 02 07:38:30 4 only ... haha Aug 02 07:38:43 I could be wrong you know :) Aug 02 07:38:49 yes :) Aug 02 07:39:00 * MohammadAG continues his search for an online kernel source Aug 02 07:39:28 MohammadAG, you're wrong : http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fheroes2/0.5-maemo-14/ Aug 02 07:39:34 * Khertan will try his obs compiled package on n900 Aug 02 07:40:07 Khertan, whats OBS? Aug 02 07:40:15 mece, hmm, only 3 there Aug 02 07:40:24 lol and torpedo48 as supertester Aug 02 07:40:37 the guys which report many false error on many package Aug 02 07:40:38 lol Aug 02 07:40:44 epicfail again Aug 02 07:41:03 mece, Aug 02 07:41:04 mece, https://build.obs.maemo.org/ Aug 02 07:41:06 :) Aug 02 07:41:21 open build service Aug 02 07:41:26 MohammadAG, and it has passed, so only 3 needed. Aug 02 07:41:49 Khertan, interesting :) Aug 02 07:42:00 :) in testing ... few people have access Aug 02 07:42:30 but you can ask for i think Aug 02 07:43:10 compiz crashed grr Aug 02 07:43:45 hmm vdvsx is a supertester.. need to go poke him to vote for fmms :P Aug 02 07:44:31 MohammadAG, how'd you manage that? Aug 02 07:45:37 hi Aug 02 07:45:41 mece: does the 4 "supertester" votes bypass the 10d quarantine? Aug 02 07:46:15 is there any way to disable in opera that mobile thing, i hate when i go to google and it turns to mobile google Aug 02 07:46:25 hrm, they must be hidden by mission control Aug 02 07:47:38 frals, I doubt that. But I hope it does. Aug 02 07:47:54 frals, and it's 3 super testers, not 4 :) Aug 02 07:53:08 mece: alright, please let me know if you find out :) Aug 02 07:53:19 yeps. Aug 02 07:59:17 achipa, very well put: http://achipa.blogspot.com/2010/08/flash-versioning-gone-wrong-or-should.html Aug 02 07:59:27 achipa_zzz, that is :D Aug 02 08:12:14 is any one else reading "achipizza" for some reason? Aug 02 08:16:50 hi Aug 02 08:17:35 'ello Aug 02 08:20:37 morning #maemo \o Aug 02 08:20:39 alterego, ping Aug 02 08:20:43 morning lcuk Aug 02 08:21:12 lcuk o/ Aug 02 08:21:19 Hiho Aug 02 08:21:26 i would like use java on my phone Aug 02 08:22:05 i have icedtea6 installe Aug 02 08:22:06 don't Aug 02 08:22:15 but i can't use java in my browser :-( Aug 02 08:22:21 yep Aug 02 08:22:26 there is no plugin for that Aug 02 08:22:36 jacekowski: and for a another java-version? Aug 02 08:22:37 there is not enough memory for java shit Aug 02 08:27:57 jacekowski: don't tell that to my SE z710i with 1Mb RAM ;) Aug 02 08:28:05 It even has 3d in java. Aug 02 08:28:11 That's ME, of course Aug 02 08:29:04 mornin lcuk o/ Aug 02 08:29:46 rmrfchik: java != java ME Aug 02 08:29:53 that's so much different Aug 02 08:34:28 ~seen noobmonk3y Aug 02 08:34:30 noobmonk3y was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 9d 22h 47m 13s ago, saying: 'akshey: joiku has improved alot - manaed to use it for a weekend a few weeks ago and dloaded 2.8gb in the weekend with over 8 people connected :)'. Aug 02 08:34:37 jacekowski: that's a demagogism i think. technically you can get java se on N900 hardware with reasonable speed. Not with maemo/icedtea btw Aug 02 08:35:06 you would need jazelle support Aug 02 08:44:22 mece: thx Aug 02 08:45:31 Any news about Flash 10 on N900? Aug 02 08:45:36 no. Aug 02 08:46:03 I guess that's the next thing that will go as the channel topic Aug 02 08:46:12 Adobe is gay. :( Aug 02 08:46:14 although I'm running "flash 10" on mine. Thanks to achipa :) Aug 02 08:46:21 I hope flash will die. Aug 02 08:46:38 MiXu-: they are working on it ;) Aug 02 08:46:46 how do iphones watch videos online? Aug 02 08:46:59 mece: with apps Aug 02 08:47:10 yeah, but how do the apps do it? Aug 02 08:47:12 which videos ? mostly with streaming apps, quicktime, whatever Aug 02 08:47:33 you know, like mplayer rtsp://this.that.com/video Aug 02 08:47:37 well there are a lot of sites that support ipad for example, I guess facebook does too.. Aug 02 08:47:55 the site detects and sends a different video I think. Aug 02 08:48:06 so why couldn't we utilize the same? Aug 02 08:48:38 ouff, got to get some foods. bbl. Aug 02 08:54:37 mece: because they are not open source and so it's iffy to extract the URLs Aug 02 08:55:07 achipa: but you're correct that technically we could play them back just fine Aug 02 08:55:16 talking to myself... time for coffee Aug 02 08:56:11 I am so glad n00bs don't even know what IRC is... Aug 02 08:56:26 what's IRC? Aug 02 08:56:27 :p Aug 02 08:56:47 MohammadAG51: I love you too! Aug 02 08:57:51 aww Aug 02 08:59:21 just read a post from someone new to N900 and he was asking if some of the devs could make the screen behave more like a capacitive screen.. Aug 02 09:00:08 why would i make my N900 worse, and... wtf? Aug 02 09:04:55 exactly... seems to have problems with responsiveness as he is used to iProne Aug 02 09:06:03 tbh capactive sensitivity annoys me Aug 02 09:06:24 it would be nice to get pressure sensitivity Aug 02 09:07:36 jacekowski: what do you mean? that you push harder to drag icons instead of turning desktop? Aug 02 09:07:58 i would go with harder to click Aug 02 09:08:05 and light touch to drag Aug 02 09:08:23 but that would be good idea as well Aug 02 09:08:56 ok makes sense in some way Aug 02 09:09:02 hildon-home is open source afaik Aug 02 09:09:28 yes just copy the mypaint part over and set the limits yourself Aug 02 09:09:52 not a C enthusiast Aug 02 09:09:57 * MohammadAG51 pokes lcuk :p Aug 02 09:10:38 C has enthusiasts? Aug 02 09:10:55 heh Aug 02 09:11:07 i just hate C :P Aug 02 09:11:09 id've thought it was a bit like assembler - whether you like it or not, it's there, and you use it constantly, directly or not Aug 02 09:11:17 i'm not sure people get opinions... Aug 02 09:11:23 ;) Aug 02 09:11:24 hey! c rocks Aug 02 09:11:36 true, but programming in it sucks Aug 02 09:11:37 also, C is indeed kinda nice Aug 02 09:11:50 well, for a C newbie anyways Aug 02 09:13:02 as a C newbie, i'm going to claim that there is a class of fairly simple but not totally trivial programs that are easier to write in C than in certain higher-level languages (that would be perfectly capable of the task) Aug 02 09:22:03 hmm, where is rcS-late? Aug 02 09:22:50 nvm Aug 02 09:23:09 eerrrmm... Aug 02 09:24:24 I got a piss easy question for you guys, do any of you know what was that widget tool that allows you to view how much wireless internet usage you have used? Aug 02 09:24:39 what was the name of that tool rather Aug 02 09:30:10 nevermind, found it Aug 02 09:45:09 wow, that was easy... Aug 02 09:45:17 oh? Aug 02 09:46:19 not so when you had a brain fart at that moment Aug 02 09:46:33 http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=49100c98359a56ea4e8c9a76e3d625cdb25f25f5 Aug 02 09:47:23 yes? :P Aug 02 09:47:31 nothing, just interesting Aug 02 09:47:43 we do have kernel developers working to make meego n900 happen :) Aug 02 09:47:44 lbt, no truck on the horizon I assume? Aug 02 09:48:13 yeah, but are you going to have a separate kernel tree for n900 drivers or will those go upstream StippenG Aug 02 09:48:19 Stskeeps, Aug 02 09:48:24 upstream Aug 02 09:48:26 (autocomplete failure) Aug 02 09:50:02 very cool Aug 02 09:50:08 TomaszD: we have a parcel! Aug 02 09:50:21 now just add bme and graphics... Aug 02 09:50:26 lbt, new toys! Aug 02 09:52:06 * lcuk wonders what the world would be like without closed source graphics Aug 02 09:52:30 better Aug 02 09:52:32 lbt, woo! Aug 02 09:53:03 lbt, crossing fingers it's from me Aug 02 09:53:33 toggles_w, indeed Aug 02 09:55:41 it is... but I am swamped at the moment... don't want to rush it Aug 02 09:56:48 lbt, alright, no problem :) take your time. It took 11 days to arrive Aug 02 09:56:57 * ShadowJK wonders if the bme <-> kernel interface is going to stay the same for N900 MeeGo :) Aug 02 09:59:03 jacekowski: seems like N900's CPU has jazelle Aug 02 09:59:13 according to http://www.arm.com/products/processors/cortex-a/cortex-a8.php Aug 02 09:59:25 Jazelle-RCT Aug 02 09:59:26 Technology Aug 02 09:59:42 I was under the impression that it's essentially no-op on A8? :) Aug 02 10:01:20 ShadowJK: fairly similar, i believe Aug 02 10:01:56 Would be kinda annoying if everything I've discovered about running N900 bme-less had changed :D Aug 02 10:02:20 i wish you people'd just package a free-bme up and start testing it with our images Aug 02 10:02:24 :P Aug 02 10:03:07 I need to get a compiler installed on my N900 so I can rewrite it in C and add some more, uh, program control flow logic than busybox /bin/sh allows :P Aug 02 10:03:24 Stskeeps: same as n810? Aug 02 10:03:26 ShadowJK, isnt /bin/sh turing complete? Aug 02 10:03:32 sure Aug 02 10:03:42 ShadowJK, add sdk and tools repo, apt-get install build-essential :P Aug 02 10:04:15 I wrote a 40-line script in sh for IRC powersave, on a single line on N900, and it made no fucking sense when I copy/pasted it into a real editor and started breaking it up and indenting it... Aug 02 10:04:27 lcuk, they're not optified! Aug 02 10:05:57 ShadowJK, so optify them, file a bug and make sure I see it Aug 02 10:06:08 and I will do my best to get them into the sdk Aug 02 10:06:53 When thunderstorm season ends I can keep my PC powered and run the sdk vm in it I guess Aug 02 10:06:59 and log into that with n900 whenever I find spare time Aug 02 10:07:10 failing that, the folders could potentially be added to http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/blobs/master/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf but I am certain the reason wont be enough to allow integration of the new config (else I would have done it before) Aug 02 10:07:34 * lcuk initially had /usr/share/include there :) Aug 02 10:10:14 newer mdbus2 on a way to extras-devel Aug 02 10:21:13 hrw, \o/ Aug 02 10:34:30 only armel version - x86 one segfaulted Aug 02 10:36:04 hrw, better than no update - was the older version also segfaulting? Aug 02 10:36:39 bäääck Aug 02 10:37:21 hrw, what's mdbus2? Aug 02 10:39:03 hrw: got a trace of that segfault? It works for me on x86_64 Aug 02 10:39:17 mece: mdbus2 is a dbus introspection commandline tool Aug 02 10:41:13 hrw: or maybe just tell me which call segfaulted, so I can try to reproduce it ... Aug 02 10:43:53 hrw build here says x86 was ok? https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/mdbus2_2.0.2-1/i386.build.log.OK.txt Aug 02 10:44:30 it builds - just segfaulted in my maemovm Aug 02 10:44:51 ahh ok Aug 02 10:50:05 grr argh. anyone feel like throwing some votes towards fheroes2 demodata? I don't want to promote fheroes2 without the demodata there too.. Aug 02 10:51:13 mece, let that be a lesson to you. next time don't put the demo data in the user category and just make fheroes2 depend on it Aug 02 10:51:16 :) Aug 02 10:51:56 TomaszD, well you don't really need the demodata if you have the proper data, so it doesn't really need to depend on it. Aug 02 10:52:30 yeah, explain that to consumers who install fheroes2 and expect a playable game Aug 02 10:53:09 Anyway here's the package. It's already approved by 2 super testers. http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/fheroes2-demodata/1.0-maemo-3/ Aug 02 10:53:27 TomaszD, well I actually do explain it in the description: "You will need the map and data files from the original game to play. You can also download the Free Heroes 2 demodata pacakge to try it" Aug 02 10:53:36 I know Aug 02 10:53:42 I'm sure everybody looks there Aug 02 10:53:46 :) Aug 02 10:53:48 hahaha Aug 02 10:53:48 :D Aug 02 10:54:12 mites nyt silleen? Aug 02 10:54:25 och. channel-lotto :) Aug 02 10:54:29 no win Aug 02 10:55:35 if the data is <5mb, just stick it into non 'user' and be done w/ it Aug 02 10:55:48 voted Aug 02 10:55:53 you can make a ui tool which lets people delete it Aug 02 10:55:58 actuallly Aug 02 10:56:09 do it properly and user 'provides' and have your package depend on the virtual thing Aug 02 10:56:39 you know what grinds my gears in the app manager? The multitude of exactly the same themes with different colours Aug 02 10:56:52 the black plastic theme guy got it right with a control panel applet Aug 02 10:57:36 one package, one config applet to choose the colour. Or you could go the easier route and just have one package install all available colours Aug 02 10:57:51 timeless_mbp, that sounds nice, but also like a lot of work... Aug 02 10:58:09 timeless_mbp, it's more like 50Mb anyway so it should definately be optional. Aug 02 10:58:56 mece, if you put the data in a consumer-visible place like /home/MyDocs/fheroes-demodata then nobody would complain Aug 02 10:59:01 TomaszD, sure, but its difficult Aug 02 10:59:13 that is more than a theme and involves dev work Aug 02 10:59:20 hmm, I mean /home/user/MyDocs (?) Aug 02 10:59:24 perhaps themes based on plastic will follow this example Aug 02 10:59:37 lcuk, isn't black plastic open source? :) Aug 02 10:59:41 just take the code Aug 02 11:00:26 otherwise we'll have theme X bright pink, theme X a little brighter pink, etc.. Aug 02 11:00:27 TomaszD, well having the data in MyDocs severely affects the performance. Aug 02 11:00:39 TomaszD, not me silly, read what i posted Aug 02 11:00:51 "themes based on" Aug 02 11:01:06 TomaszD, oh thanks, I didn't know you were a supertester :D ok promoting now Aug 02 11:01:17 ...supertester? Aug 02 11:01:23 I am? Aug 02 11:01:40 oh Aug 02 11:02:11 so this gives me +3 instead of +1 Aug 02 11:02:19 I didn't even notice Aug 02 11:02:37 TomaszD, apparently yes :D Aug 02 11:05:04 rmrfchik: it has jazzele but no software to support it Aug 02 11:07:54 mece, please vote for http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/gps-data-logger/0.5-3/ then Aug 02 11:08:02 not my package but thoroughly tested Aug 02 11:08:09 not sure why people aren't voting it up Aug 02 11:08:43 hey ppl, having a strange issue in conversations - the scrollbar is not hildonized anymore and clicking anywhere selects text instead of scrolling. anyone got any ideas how to fix it? Aug 02 11:08:57 it occurs in all chat windows Aug 02 11:09:35 TomaszD, ok, I'll install it first, since I actually wanted something like that just two days ago :D Aug 02 11:10:52 mece, try "GPS Recorder" too, also worth voting up, but this is a standalone app instead of a widget Aug 02 11:11:03 Khertan, did the obs build work on the N900? Aug 02 11:11:30 TomaszD, I might actually want the standalone app instead. I have all my desktops maxxed out with stuff already :) Aug 02 11:11:49 whatever works for you, vote though Aug 02 11:22:07 DocScrutinizer: "* DocScrutinizer stabs Robot101" -> thanks! :) Aug 02 11:23:54 hi Aug 02 11:24:10 how to change bg color of terminal on n900 Aug 02 11:27:44 lol i fail nvm Aug 02 11:28:27 Robot101: yw :-) Aug 02 11:29:36 barisione around? Aug 02 11:29:39 anyone with any pointers as to why the conversations are no longer hildonized?? Aug 02 11:29:48 DocScrutinizer: yeah he got back from GUADEC over the weekend Aug 02 11:29:51 but we're going for lunch Aug 02 11:29:53 ttyl Aug 02 11:30:01 enjoy! Aug 02 11:30:40 mece: bah, no change with 3 supertesters votes :P Aug 02 11:32:35 * DocScrutinizer wonders what you need to bribe supertestsers to test a package :-/ Aug 02 11:35:14 wow, should have checked first. http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/starhash-enabler/0.2/ is even up to 7 now :-) Aug 02 11:36:21 I need to test some more apps, and then I'll be at 100, so my vote will count as 3 Aug 02 11:38:34 SpeedEvil, I think you need to be appointed a supertester. Aug 02 11:39:24 frals, well that's annoying. I hope they remove the delay for updates ASAP. First time apps could have the quarantine, but upgrades should not, IMO. Aug 02 11:39:32 s/need/ought have been Aug 02 11:39:47 * realitygaps cant figure out why the damn scrollbar appears in conversations unhildonized Aug 02 11:41:08 realitygaps: in regular conversations. Have you customized it? Aug 02 11:41:10 mece: that's a really difficult topic, as an update can introduce massive rewrites and of course regressions or intentional rogue bits Aug 02 11:41:26 DocScrutinizer, I guess so.. Aug 02 11:41:31 (quarantine for updates) Aug 02 11:42:06 DocScrutinizer, then again it's very frustrating when there's a small bug that takes 3 seconds to fix and 10 days to promote.. Aug 02 11:42:58 hello Aug 02 11:43:02 maybe we'd need some special procedure for power testers approving the patch diffs, so an update could go without quarantine if considered minor change and safe Aug 02 11:43:05 das2k: 'ello Aug 02 11:43:24 DocScrutinizer, something like that would be nice.. Aug 02 11:43:30 how can I add the N900 Device libraries into Gcc Aug 02 11:44:19 mece: nope didnt customize it, it happens in every chat window (get an old style scrollbar down the side) Aug 02 11:44:28 mece: was thinking maybe i can customize it back Aug 02 11:44:33 I have just started developing on N900 Aug 02 11:44:41 can any body give me some help Aug 02 11:44:49 regarding installing N900 Libraries Aug 02 11:44:51 in gcc Aug 02 11:44:57 I am using Ubuntu 10.4 Aug 02 11:45:02 10.04 Aug 02 11:45:02 das2k, install the SDK, see the developer documentation on maemo.org Aug 02 11:45:15 Yes I have installed Aug 02 11:45:19 Hmm, I've got a little problem: A few days ago I tried catagorize (or what it's called), and after removing it, the menu is now kinda ruined. I have 2x icons of some applications. How do I reset that? Aug 02 11:45:24 SDK Aug 02 11:45:30 @ lcuk Aug 02 11:45:34 I have intalled SDK Aug 02 11:45:54 then whats missing? Aug 02 11:45:58 specifically Aug 02 11:46:31 maybe the blobs, under targer_x86? Aug 02 11:47:07 I am using Netbeans IDE for coding in C Aug 02 11:47:27 I don't get list of function as soon as I type header file name Aug 02 11:48:24 dunno das2k i dont use that ide so dont know how to import symbols into it Aug 02 11:49:53 probably you have to add the path to maemo specific *.h somewhere to the ide config Aug 02 11:51:26 das2k: anyway when you figure how to put it to work, don't forget to report about your findings, preferably on wiki Aug 02 11:53:35 * DocScrutinizer is shouting swearwords and curses inferior quality cheap switches for left mousebutton in his expensive-as-gold Logitec MX mouse Aug 02 11:54:03 unsolicited doubleclick really can drive you nuts Aug 02 11:55:40 is it ok to link to a talk thread from a package description under "downloads" ? Aug 02 11:55:55 sure, why not? Aug 02 11:55:59 was thinking like this: "Help and instructions can be found here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=624831" Aug 02 11:56:29 DocScrutinizer: hmm.. they really use different switches? Aug 02 11:56:41 * Weiss ponders opening his trackballs and swapping the switches round (left-handed..) Aug 02 11:57:08 they use OMRON for LMB & RMB Aug 02 11:57:21 SMT type switches for the rest Aug 02 11:57:32 obviously OMRON is crap Aug 02 11:57:54 should have chosen CHERRY Aug 02 11:58:56 ah, ok Aug 02 11:59:32 usually this type of microswitches should be good for >100k rounds Aug 02 12:00:02 don't think I exceeded that during 2 years of normal usage Aug 02 12:00:11 hey, would it be possible to make software to record video with very high framerates with the N900, to get slow motion stuff? Aug 02 12:00:33 mece: nice Aug 02 12:00:45 DocScrutinizer, what is? Aug 02 12:00:51 mece: prolly you need to study gstreamer parameters Aug 02 12:00:54 DocScrutinizer: obviously, OMRON is just a very elaborate inside joke from the techies in a company, trying to get their sales people to insult the CEO of some other company with "MORON" Aug 02 12:01:24 DocScrutinizer, yeah. A friend of mine had a digicam that recorded 240fps, low quality. still, a lot of fun with that one. Aug 02 12:01:40 DocScrutinizer, I wouldn't even know where to begin.. Aug 02 12:01:52 mece: man gstreamer? Aug 02 12:02:11 DocScrutinizer: "So can you explain what OMRON is?" "Certainly. MORON is YOU. It is simple, easy to do, and extremely shallow, so it can adapt to nearly any situation" Aug 02 12:02:20 man V4L2? Aug 02 12:03:09 crashanddie: hehe Aug 02 12:05:32 DocScrutinizer, if the shutter speed is enough, I guess this could be done pretty easily even... I wonder. Aug 02 12:06:40 mece: You would need to begin with the really low-level stuff. It's hardcoded to 60fps min AIUI Aug 02 12:06:45 max Aug 02 12:07:05 I think this starts out at the binary blob to configure the camera. Aug 02 12:07:31 Well - the configuration data for the sensor/image processor. Aug 02 12:07:33 SpeedEvil: so you can never go higher than 60fps, or ..? Aug 02 12:07:40 which is a binary blob - it's not executable code Aug 02 12:08:02 It depends on if the sensor for which we have no data can do it. Aug 02 12:08:03 we're actually doing a lot of stuff related to camera in meego too, upstreaming code and so on Aug 02 12:08:08 :P Aug 02 12:08:28 It is not inconcievable that it might be able to do 240*120@120 say Aug 02 12:09:49 SpeedEvil: But I would need to do some really low level hacking for that..? I was hoping for 320x200@120 or something like that. Aug 02 12:10:21 * SpeedEvil takes the nuclear option to working out which package is causing the dbus 'Hello' once a second. Aug 02 12:10:24 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 71 to remove and 40 not upgraded. Aug 02 12:10:25 After this operation, 314MB disk space will be freed. Aug 02 12:10:25 Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y Aug 02 12:10:49 heh Aug 02 12:10:58 afternoon chaps Aug 02 12:11:16 SpeedEvil: uh. sounds bad... Aug 02 12:11:21 http://cgi.ebay.com/2X-OMRON-Micro-Switch-Microswitch-D2FC-F-7N-Mouse-/260557001598 GRRRRRR! Aug 02 12:11:28 mece: that is my impression. However, I have only read the chip datasheet on the camera driver chip in passing. Aug 02 12:11:47 I guess I could just test with the gstreamer example :) Aug 02 12:12:03 I think I tried it with gstreamer and it diddn't work. Aug 02 12:12:11 but good luck Aug 02 12:12:20 SpeedEvil: to set the framerate up to ridiculous heights? Aug 02 12:12:24 yes Aug 02 12:12:38 many cameras have also 60hz as a hardware limit Aug 02 12:12:47 luck: Aug 02 12:12:49 SpeedEvil: do we have that here? Aug 02 12:12:52 lcuk: are you tehre? Aug 02 12:13:03 luck: there? Aug 02 12:13:05 as that's what they've been designed to for live preview use, and you don't need to go faster than that. Aug 02 12:13:08 although 60fps is still something.. Aug 02 12:13:13 lcuk: are you there? Aug 02 12:13:19 mece: I haven't investigated - I think it does 30fps video Aug 02 12:14:56 I nearly died today :) Aug 02 12:15:24 how? Aug 02 12:15:25 with te cookies? Aug 02 12:15:34 the. Aug 02 12:15:42 lardman: on the motorbike Aug 02 12:15:55 oh, glad you survived then Aug 02 12:16:28 it was raining, after a red light, some woman stuck by a lorry on the opposite side of the road decided to cut me off and go straight through a small road just to my right. Aug 02 12:17:51 nasty Aug 02 12:17:55 I hit the back brakes, started to skid, i kicked the back out to my right, front wheel started to skid on a sewer-metal-round-thingie. Managed to stay on the bike, and stay upright. Aug 02 12:18:28 crashanddie: you still in La France? Aug 02 12:18:40 so, nothing broken, nothing hurt. I'm good. The bitch in the car got a nice fine and points on her licence by some nice biker-cops who were waiting for the lights Aug 02 12:18:43 brb Aug 02 12:18:47 lardman: toujours, oui. Aug 02 12:19:20 I've just come back from Quebec, been practising my francais Aug 02 12:22:57 lardman: no, you've practising a dialect, which appears to be a very interesting solution to a problem that should've never existed in the first place. Aug 02 12:23:31 nah, I was speaking French french, they were all rather confused Aug 02 12:23:47 as was I when they spoke back Aug 02 12:23:56 I remember being in Montreal, going to a restaurant Aug 02 12:24:14 the waiter fetches us at the door and says "Bienvenue, suivez-moi" Aug 02 12:24:40 he brings us to our table, I thank him, and he replies "Bienvenue" Aug 02 12:24:58 :) Aug 02 12:25:10 he brings the menus, I thank him, and he says "Bienvenue". Confused, I thank him again, he replies "Bievenue" again. Aug 02 12:25:15 aha Aug 02 12:25:49 Figures that they litterally translated "You're welcome". Aug 02 12:25:59 ROFL Aug 02 12:27:40 das2k, no I am not here. and as I said I don't use that IDE so would be of no help anyway Aug 02 12:27:47 lardman, \o welcome back to uk Aug 02 12:27:52 hi lcuk Aug 02 12:27:56 thanks Aug 02 12:28:17 * lcuk just had lunch but feels like I didn't eayt Aug 02 12:28:18 eat Aug 02 12:28:21 lardman: translate this: "serais tu également disponible jeudi ou vendredi pour qu'en fonction du résultat de ces entretiens, nous puissions nous mettre d'accord sur un contrat ? Pourrrais tu m'envoyer en parallèle tes prétentions salariales afin que je puisse te présenter le package que nous pouvons te proposer" Aug 02 12:29:12 must I? Aug 02 12:29:22 just google translate it :P Aug 02 12:29:32 I think I've finally reached an agreement with a company Aug 02 12:29:35 thurs/fri about a contract Aug 02 12:29:39 Congratulations! Aug 02 12:29:51 had an interview with CEO and CTO last wednesday Aug 02 12:29:51 indeed, congrats Aug 02 12:30:10 (was wondering why the native French speaker wanted my school-boy expertise on that one) Aug 02 12:30:31 hmm, ~£75 to tow a car 2 miles Aug 02 12:30:45 two other interviews with lead dev and manager on wednesday, but they're already asking to be available for finalising the contract Aug 02 12:31:58 lmao, we have this drug for the dog. As soon as there is a lightning storm, he goes bananas. I think I may have given him too much, he's randomly licking furniture... Aug 02 12:32:05 crashanddie: did they really say “package”? Aug 02 12:32:11 Corsac: yup Aug 02 12:32:15 yurk Aug 02 12:32:21 why? Aug 02 12:32:26 that's not exactly french :) Aug 02 12:32:56 well, sure it is: http://fr.thefreedictionary.com/package Aug 02 12:33:18 Ce mot est un anglicisme déconseillé; il vaut mieux employer achat groupé ou forfait. Aug 02 12:33:22 my point :) Aug 02 12:33:24 it's not french Aug 02 12:33:31 it is pretty common these days -- you actually see it on adverts and everything Aug 02 12:33:42 plus the guy isn't exactly french, so I don't give a toot :P Aug 02 12:34:04 AHAA! 3 pcs D2FC-F-7N in old Logitec, of which IIRC all but LMB should still work Aug 02 12:34:18 DocScrutinizer: AWESOME! Aug 02 12:34:53 crashanddie: can you give the company name yet? Aug 02 12:35:05 well, no. Aug 02 12:35:19 ok Aug 02 12:35:29 Not until I sign a contract. Wouldn't want some guy I pissed off on IRC to call them and screw me over :P Aug 02 12:35:46 sometimes it pays off to keep old crap Aug 02 12:35:50 * crashanddie looks at MohammadAG. Aug 02 12:35:54 crashanddie: rooh :) Aug 02 12:36:59 Corsac: it's a pretty "english" fashionned company though (even though it is french). They didn't really look at my diplomas, rather my skills, which is good. They also provide health cover and things like that, rather than a pure financial payment. Aug 02 12:37:12 * MohammadAG looks at crashanddie diabolically Aug 02 12:37:32 (Congrats crashanddie) Aug 02 12:37:35 you're still a bastard Aug 02 12:37:42 that'll never change :P Aug 02 12:38:05 so you admit being one Aug 02 12:39:45 DocScrutinizer: hi Aug 02 12:39:46 well, my old IRC name before I switched to irssi was "From 0 to bastard in 0.3 seconds" Aug 02 12:40:11 I've seen that one Aug 02 12:40:17 barisione: hi! Aug 02 12:43:36 haha funny, they mounted a 20*30*5mm steel block inside that old Logitec mouse, to give it right weight Aug 02 12:44:08 Salutations crashanddie Aug 02 12:45:14 plop Khertan Aug 02 12:45:32 DocScrutinizer: did you ping me to tell me something? Aug 02 12:45:33 DocScrutinizer, and it really important ... most mouse have steel block inside Aug 02 12:46:38 barisione: talk about gstreamer et al, alternatives, problems... but later. Need to fix mouse first Aug 02 12:46:40 Corsac, euh .... franchement ... package ... je l'emploi frequemment :) bien plus que forfait Aug 02 12:47:02 High end logitech gaming mice have specific weights you can add to the mouse so that it gives you the right feel Aug 02 12:47:13 DocScrutinizer: I actually have a fix, I just couldn't manage to polish the code when I was away for GUADEC (too many distractions) Aug 02 12:47:21 Khertan: je ne suis pas certain que ce soit une référence Aug 02 12:48:07 Corsac: d'un autre coté, on s'est fout un peu. Regarde sur le site de SFR, Bouygues, Renault, Honda France, ils ont tous au moins une fois le mot "package". Aug 02 12:48:28 c'est pas une raison hein Aug 02 12:48:31 Corsac, c'est pas faux Aug 02 12:49:31 crashanddie, health cover is frequent now in french company Aug 02 12:51:55 Corsac: languages evolve, and dictionnaries really aren't the place to look to see if a word "exists" or not. Aug 02 12:51:57 Stskeeps, did you know if there is a way to use the meego obs community as a repository for n900 ? Aug 02 12:52:17 crashanddie, specially when there isn't any official dictionnaries Aug 02 12:52:18 :) Aug 02 12:52:39 Khertan: not now. Will come soon. Aug 02 12:52:53 ok thanks Aug 02 12:53:19 crashanddie: et donc, après vérification, google(package site:www.{sfr,orange,bouygues,honda,renault}.fr) renvoie vraiment pas grand chose Aug 02 12:53:20 other question, did you know if someone have build a package from a python setup ? Aug 02 12:53:51 i know that a possibility ... but i didn't understand well how to do, and docs seems missing on suse obs site Aug 02 12:54:12 Corsac, forcement c est site de merde sont en flash au 3/4 Aug 02 12:54:21 trop pas Aug 02 12:54:24 Corsac, forcement ces sites de merde sont en flash au 3/4 Aug 02 12:54:32 hum ... Aug 02 12:54:33 si si Aug 02 12:55:05 lol sfr.fr ... premiere page Aug 02 12:55:09 dans l'encart en flash Aug 02 12:55:13 le mot package Aug 02 12:55:15 hihi Aug 02 12:55:36 ok je suis en anglais Aug 02 12:55:37 lol Aug 02 12:55:38 ;) Aug 02 12:56:05 any idea why promoting a package fails with: "Can not continue promotion, because dependency package icedtea6 is a user section package and needs to be promoted first!" despite icedtea6 being already promoted (it is even in extras free)? Aug 02 12:56:41 rcg-work: are the versions the same? Aug 02 12:56:43 rcg-work: Same version? Aug 02 12:56:59 i did not specify any special version as dependency Aug 02 12:57:04 so any version should do Aug 02 12:57:40 rcg-work: except that because you're not specifying a minimum version number, it may default to the highest available. Aug 02 12:58:02 (just guessing here) Aug 02 12:59:09 ok .. will try to specify a minimum version number Aug 02 13:01:41 ~seen connie Aug 02 13:01:43 connie was last seen on IRC in channel #wowhead, 771d 13h 35m 51s ago, saying: 'omg it's a wow irc lol'. Aug 02 13:01:45 ~seen conny Aug 02 13:01:46 conny <~conny@g229036132.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 32d 15h 23m 57s ago, saying: 'TSCHAKeee2: No :)'. Aug 02 13:05:14 timeless_mbp: sorry I missed your messages yesterday evening, it wasn't hebrew, but anthy (for japanese), that was preventing the OSK to pop, thanks for the heads up Aug 02 13:05:34 Khertan: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10047?sort=0 Aug 02 13:06:47 ~seen javispedro Aug 02 13:06:49 javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 67d 12h 7m 34s ago, saying: 'oh.. aisleriot solitaire with clutter/3D vista-like animations! port port port !'. Aug 02 13:06:59 DocScrutinizer, exactly ... you can look in razor mouse too :) Aug 02 13:07:27 live BG support getting stronger and stronger :) Aug 02 13:07:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4CWd1q8RLU Aug 02 13:07:58 xsnow++ Aug 02 13:08:11 it s not to look like heavy but to make the mouse more balanced Aug 02 13:08:11 Though it needs to be made to work across all 4 desktops Aug 02 13:09:57 lcuk: how does one use liq* to save and view individual sketches? Aug 02 13:10:22 lcuk: liqplayground allows you to make sketches, but I can't see them anywhere Aug 02 13:10:43 lardman, liqrecentsketches shows the graffiti wall Aug 02 13:10:45 Khertan: *nod* Aug 02 13:10:59 but the version currently on maemo.ogr is a bit stale and in very high need of a refresh asap Aug 02 13:11:27 Khertan: I hate cheap lightweight mice running off the table, pulled by own cable :-P Aug 02 13:11:39 DocScrutinizer: Two ways round that. Aug 02 13:11:48 Wireless mice, or trackpoint(tm). Aug 02 13:11:49 lcuk: not in the repo though? Aug 02 13:11:58 I bet I know 4 at least Aug 02 13:12:05 well then 6 Aug 02 13:12:07 lcuk: Would have been useful while I was away to take notes during talks Aug 02 13:12:40 err, 5, as that replaces "throw away cheap mouse" Aug 02 13:13:07 lardman, theres lots in the github repo, its all being slowly cleaned up and broken into projects properly Aug 02 13:13:10 Tape a brick to the mouse. Aug 02 13:13:21 #1 :-) Aug 02 13:13:24 i keep blocking on graffiti wall because i need to integrate a desktop widget along with it Aug 02 13:13:25 lcuk: cool, I look forward to a release Aug 02 13:13:36 yes, me too Aug 02 13:13:39 #2: fix cable at edge of table Aug 02 13:14:05 #3: use rubber mouspad upside down Aug 02 13:15:08 lardman, i have been cleaning up my template and getting my code working on nice standalone projects Aug 02 13:15:27 like this: http://github.com/lcuk/liqcalc/raw/master/liqcalc.screenshot.png Aug 02 13:15:38 (in its own git repo with no playground stuff or mucking around :)) Aug 02 13:15:54 bleader: :) Aug 02 13:16:50 feels a lot better to be able to get a | when using the shell :p Aug 02 13:17:07 hmm, now I got a spare D2FC-F-7N, but desoldering was such a pain (literally :-P Dunno why I tried to solder my finger), and I don't see this easily done on MX Revolution :-S Aug 02 13:18:03 lcuk: the graffiti wall is perhaps more suitable though - what liq features does the calculator have? Aug 02 13:18:29 or was it just a component on the playground so it's now been packaged up? Aug 02 13:19:12 * lardman goes for a post-lunch kip, this jet-lag is killing me Aug 02 13:21:12 lardman|afk: travelling east is always worst. West is peanuts. Aug 02 13:21:53 Unless you go far enough west. Aug 02 13:21:56 (depends if you prefer to wake up or go to bed at 4am :) Aug 02 13:22:40 ... Aug 02 13:24:18 SpeedEvil: nha. I did Australia to London, and had no problems (because the days, even shorter, still go by relatively normally). However, London to Australia completes craps you up. Did the same with Ukraine-US (west coast), same thing happened Aug 02 13:24:33 Sorry. Aug 02 13:24:35 SpeedEvil: I don't think that even if you went round the world, you'd feel very good. Aug 02 13:24:51 I was being boringly pedantic, ans in that if you go far enough west, you go east. Aug 02 13:25:13 Though, Amsterdam - London, very fun. You take off at 5PM, you land at 5PM, woohoooo Aug 02 13:25:33 http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pypackager/3.0.19 Aug 02 13:25:36 oups ... sorry Aug 02 13:25:40 crashanddie: you forgot to stop in singapore Aug 02 13:25:43 Anyone else up for despinning the earth to a ~26 hour day? Aug 02 13:25:49 SpeedEvil: you could also say you're going negative east :P Aug 02 13:26:01 lardman|afk, yes its just a standalone app now, it can live in the playground or be run on its own. its just me noting ideas needed for a portrait calculator Aug 02 13:26:18 toggles_w: didn't :) Well, I stopped in singapore, bangkok, dubai... Aug 02 13:26:25 and includes only one thing I think any calculator needs - a real working solar panel so you can cover it and the screen fades Aug 02 13:27:04 lol, you need to step out of tha airport in singapore lon->aus, preferably for a day to soak up some heat and good food Aug 02 13:27:35 toggles_w: there's the smoking area, which is a nice little bar :D Aug 02 13:27:41 outside Aug 02 13:27:44 yeah, I know it well Aug 02 13:27:52 I'm out. ta. Aug 02 13:27:52 expensive as fuck though Aug 02 13:28:31 * toggles_w quit smoking, then moved to italy, bloody stupid idea.. Aug 02 13:28:39 and everytime an airplane lands/takes off/taxis, you're deaf for a few minutes Aug 02 13:28:58 true, but you have abeer and a smoke.. Aug 02 13:29:24 nha, buy a bottle of water in the mcdonalds, then go outside and smoke Aug 02 13:29:29 free drinks on the plane :D Aug 02 13:29:54 or the gold lounge, bloody mary's for bfast Aug 02 13:30:07 Never went to the lounge in SGP Aug 02 13:30:44 I love how most westerners are super polite to the air hostesses, and only ask for a coke, or a tomato juice when she comes along Aug 02 13:30:58 just ask for a couple or three things Aug 02 13:31:22 This works even better if you're seated on the aisle: they assume you're ordering for everyone in your row Aug 02 13:31:49 crashanddie: lol, you really start to sound like a Dutchman ;) Aug 02 13:31:55 haha Aug 02 13:32:25 Well, after taking my laptop apart, giving it a little clean. It seems to work alright, though I need a new keyboard as it's playing up :/ Aug 02 13:32:26 well, you pay 2 grand for a flight, they'd better give you free drinks Aug 02 13:32:47 alterego: still under warranty? Aug 02 13:33:00 if not, then ebay Aug 02 13:33:26 crashanddie: nope. and it was water damage. Yeah found a suitable one for about ten quid :) Aug 02 13:33:41 water dammage is covered by dell enterprise support Aug 02 13:33:59 Well, I don't have it :) Aug 02 13:35:22 crashanddie: $2000? over here, flights are $100 round-trip Aug 02 13:35:39 luke-jr: from london to aus? Aug 02 13:35:40 and if you want more than a pop and peanuts, you pay extra Aug 02 13:35:51 nah, across the US Aug 02 13:36:03 no idea how much international flights cost Aug 02 13:36:30 but that's probably why US people get the idea of what they can ask for Aug 02 13:37:09 luke-jr: ah, yeah, domestic flights in the US are dirt cheap, but then again, if you go for budget airlines in Europe, you can get a round trip for 30 quid within Europe Aug 02 13:37:21 also, on US flights, each person orders for themself Aug 02 13:39:40 luke-jr: pit->syd last year $876 on United Aug 02 13:42:19 someone have an idea on how i can render a list of recent files in an ui ? Aug 02 13:42:34 a list of QMaemo5ValueButton Aug 02 13:42:39 isn't really optimum Aug 02 13:42:50 (and QMaemo5* aren't available on meego) Aug 02 13:43:35 Khertan: what's the menu like on meego? do you just add actions? or is it more complicated? Aug 02 13:44:24 don't know yet Aug 02 13:44:39 toggles_w, my soft wasn't running yet on meego ... :) Aug 02 13:44:51 i ll say if it s enough once i got it run on it :) Aug 02 13:44:53 ok.. thanks.. Aug 02 13:45:14 but i ll try on meego netbook ux Aug 02 13:45:29 as was never been able to build an image for my n900 Aug 02 13:51:26 i can change the n900 hostname without problem ? Aug 02 13:53:00 It certainly used to cause problems. Aug 02 13:53:09 Dunno if it's safe now. Aug 02 13:53:09 ok Aug 02 13:54:55 I always change the hostname of my n900 Aug 02 13:54:58 nevert had any problems Aug 02 13:55:07 I can imagine it causing problems if you do the change incorrectly Aug 02 13:55:26 remember to change it both in /etc/hosts and in /etc/hostname Aug 02 13:55:34 mgedmin: how do you change it ? i was thinking in editing the /etc/hostname file Aug 02 13:55:36 oh Aug 02 13:55:38 that Aug 02 13:56:06 mgedmin: what i need restart ? Aug 02 13:56:14 the whole device ? Aug 02 13:56:16 maybe, maybe not Aug 02 13:56:34 or not Aug 02 13:56:36 ;) Aug 02 13:56:44 there's a command you need to run to set the hostname Aug 02 13:57:02 and restart certain services (like avahi-daemon, if you have it) that think they know your hostname already Aug 02 13:57:08 rebooting is probably simpler Aug 02 13:57:27 ok Aug 02 13:58:09 barisione: any idea if and why contact-ringtones could deactivate the vibra? Aug 02 14:01:35 yes Aug 02 14:01:45 the default ringtone stuff fails at playing a ringtone Aug 02 14:01:50 barisione: also waht do you think of the idea to exploit the original ringtone playback process, by replacin ~/.local/*/*/ringtone.mp3.wav by a named pipe and feed that one via a process that can switch the data writen any time, even preprocess or generate it Aug 02 14:01:52 and so it also fails at vibrating Aug 02 14:02:21 if you do that then the original ringtone will start playing in any case Aug 02 14:02:40 barisione: or even just rewriting content of the original ringtone.mp3.wav on the fly, while dialer is doing playback Aug 02 14:02:52 DocScrutinizer: when it starts it's too late Aug 02 14:02:53 that would not work Aug 02 14:02:55 barisione: how is your ringtone stuff working? Aug 02 14:03:06 ringtone is locked into memory right? Aug 02 14:03:09 jacekowski: why too late? Aug 02 14:03:25 jacekowski: it just takes care of playing the ringtone and does it by itself, except that currently it takes too long Aug 02 14:03:26 because file is already opened Aug 02 14:03:28 X-Fade: that's the question, how it opens the file Aug 02 14:03:45 Check barisione 's blog. Aug 02 14:03:54 jacekowski: so what? you can change content of an opened file, under linux, no? Aug 02 14:04:12 you can, but it's bad idea Aug 02 14:04:17 yeah, but that would not work Aug 02 14:04:17 because mp3 has metadata in it Aug 02 14:04:23 besides, buffering and stuff Aug 02 14:04:25 jacekowski: it's a wave Aug 02 14:04:27 that'sNOT mp3 Aug 02 14:04:28 DocScrutinizer: http://blog.barisione.org/2010-07/how-hard-can-it-be/ -> memlocked Aug 02 14:04:42 Docscrutinizer: the original file could already be in memory Aug 02 14:04:42 the process, yes Aug 02 14:04:45 if i use netbean at windows but want do something for my n900 using it, what i need do for have all libs and python module if was posible that kind of setup ? Aug 02 14:04:48 barisione: so why your thing is slower than original player? Aug 02 14:05:00 barisione: could, exactly Aug 02 14:05:07 ever tried it? Aug 02 14:05:22 DocScrutinizer: and even if you do it in the best case you get a bit of the original ringtone Aug 02 14:05:24 with a named pipe anyway it should work Aug 02 14:05:55 DocScrutinizer: in the worst case you are just writing random data to a file opened by another process Aug 02 14:05:58 barisione: which isn't at all a bad thing ('original' ringtone), at least better than lag Aug 02 14:06:25 DocScrutinizer: you cant seek in pipes Aug 02 14:06:27 I have a fix that should kill the lag Aug 02 14:06:30 * realitygaps still cant figure out why the scrollbars appearing in conversations.... Aug 02 14:06:33 but it's not finished Aug 02 14:06:43 barisione: (original) that's bean the rationale behind my idea to rewrite original fle Aug 02 14:07:15 and without vibra the whole thing is unusable for me at least Aug 02 14:07:26 realitygaps, usually caused by having stuff to scroll to Aug 02 14:07:31 so why vibra is not working anyways? Aug 02 14:07:57 prolly because dialer doesn't like 0 length ringtone Aug 02 14:08:14 hmm Aug 02 14:08:17 that can be fixed Aug 02 14:08:20 barfs, and stops Aug 02 14:08:27 Silent wavefile? Aug 02 14:08:33 jacekowski: it's slower because gstreamer (having to guess the type, etc.) is not very fast Aug 02 14:08:40 sure, give a silent file of arbitrary nonzero length instead Aug 02 14:08:49 X-Fade: :-D Aug 02 14:08:53 I tried different approaches, in the end I'm writing stuff directly to pulseaudio Aug 02 14:09:00 so what I'm doing is: Aug 02 14:09:11 barisione: what about recoding ringtones to already known format Aug 02 14:09:20 barisione: so it's not too big, and then using that Aug 02 14:09:24 - play directly using PA and wave files (I have the patch but it's ugly) Aug 02 14:09:31 - convert non-wave files to .wav Aug 02 14:09:43 - fix the vibration problem Aug 02 14:09:55 this can be fixed by using an empty file Aug 02 14:10:00 why you don't move vibration to your software? Aug 02 14:10:04 or by making it vibrate directly Aug 02 14:10:13 jacekowski: files in ~/.local are all *.wav by def Aug 02 14:10:14 the latter sounds less hackish Aug 02 14:10:22 lcuk: yep but i dont get the scrollbar, i get a non hildonized scroll bar which i need to use the stylus to scroll on Aug 02 14:10:22 the former could be easier :) Aug 02 14:10:53 http://summel.de/n900/apps/ new quasselclient binary + minitube binary (nice youtube client) Aug 02 14:10:57 hmm, Aug 02 14:11:06 note that I think that also the LED breaks, as it's flashing is controlled by the same thing that plays ringtones and make the phone vibrate Aug 02 14:11:08 LD_PRELOAD for dialer Aug 02 14:11:13 I really appreciate at least vibra still handled by genuine process, in case caller-ringtoned breaks Aug 02 14:11:38 jacekowski: hm? Aug 02 14:11:51 barisione: where do you store association between ringtone and contact? Aug 02 14:11:59 in the contacts Aug 02 14:12:18 as? Aug 02 14:12:20 comment? Aug 02 14:12:24 do you have source avaliable? Aug 02 14:12:25 so eplace 0 byte rintone-default.aac.wav by a silent 1s sample please Aug 02 14:12:28 inside the vcard in a X-RINGTONED-PATH field Aug 02 14:13:35 and what about last question? Aug 02 14:13:40 brb. reboot Aug 02 14:14:08 last question? Aug 02 14:14:28 barisione: please consider extending that to have maybe arbitrary X-userdefined fields, at least one called X-EXECUTE holding path to arbitrary executable to start on "ringing" and send SIGINT on ringtone stop Aug 02 14:15:10 no Aug 02 14:15:13 barisione: don't worry, jacekowski always very fuzzy Aug 02 14:15:25 that can be done in a better way with ringtoned plugins Aug 02 14:15:38 hmhm, ok Aug 02 14:16:03 Just interested in a way to plugin own fancy things on specific contacts Aug 02 14:16:29 aah Aug 02 14:17:27 ever thought of superimposing the special-ringtone property to contac's avatar icon? as there's no generic way to display that in contacts app it seems Aug 02 14:17:47 hm? Aug 02 14:18:19 defining plugins is really easy, see http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=user/bari/ringtoned.git;a=blob;f=per-contact/plugin/plugin.c;h=f24d21fc35f19316788c30db4909c16b74c77d36;hb=HEAD Aug 02 14:18:24 I open contact in contacts. Gives me no clue at first glance there's a special ringtone set Aug 02 14:18:56 so edit the 'photo' stored to contact, to have a small mark indicating the special ringtone is set Aug 02 14:19:21 16:12 < jacekowski> do you have source avaliable? Aug 02 14:19:24 ok i know this is a silly question, but is there a way to toggle the select text function in a conversation? im sure there was but it doesnt exist in mine anymore Aug 02 14:19:31 that question Aug 02 14:19:59 i'm never fuzzy Aug 02 14:20:04 it's just people are too slow Aug 02 14:20:05 DocScrutinizer, an overlay, recently used on twitter for twibbons Aug 02 14:20:07 http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=user/bari/ringtoned.git;a=summary Aug 02 14:20:11 * lcuk hates himself for knowning that Aug 02 14:22:23 * DocScrutinizer mumbles "damn mouse, lemme throw your rocks together" Aug 02 14:24:31 hah, i've got an idea Aug 02 14:46:28 It s funny that in the small open source world will always see the same name ... Aug 02 14:46:28 :) Aug 02 14:46:55 [DIFF] LucasRocha 15:19 Info AndreKlapper Aug 02 14:46:56 :) Aug 02 14:47:04 http://live.gnome.org/RecentChanges Aug 02 14:48:38 hm intressting Aug 02 14:48:45 no llvm packages yet Aug 02 14:49:55 * realitygaps argh cant figure this one out Aug 02 14:51:52 realitygaps, swipe from left hand side of device onto the screen, about 1/3 up from bottom left of screen Aug 02 14:52:16 * lcuk looks to making gestures have screen real estate hint Aug 02 14:52:28 hi lcuk Aug 02 14:53:38 \o hi woglinde Aug 02 14:54:15 thanks... yep, it doesnt exist for me in conversations - only in browser. Somehow the IM/SMS program is giving me a gtk scrollbar not a hildon one and is set to always be in select text mode no idea where to even start looking for a solution Aug 02 14:55:57 but thanks lcuk for confirming it should be there Aug 02 14:57:51 realitygaps, have you been screwing with the theming of conversations? Aug 02 14:58:18 lcuk: nope not at all, thats the strange thing Aug 02 14:58:30 screenshots Aug 02 14:59:19 lcuk: a few days i could use the select from swipe. then suddenly i was stuck in select text mode and ugly gray scrollbars. but only in actual conversations. the main conversations app is fine just individual chats are broken. Getting screenshots uploaded Aug 02 14:59:43 are you launching it as root ? Aug 02 15:00:25 Khertan, nope - normally from menu -> conversations Aug 02 15:01:06 strange Aug 02 15:01:23 yep, cant figure it out-conversations itself is fine with hildon styling Aug 02 15:01:32 just each chat is broken... screens on the way tho Aug 02 15:02:58 barisione: I'm going to try a hotfix by replacing that 0 bytes *.wav and see if that fixes vibra and doesn't break anything else. Maybe if I make it a file with a short jingle and then minutes of silence, I can even get the lag bridged with an early notification Aug 02 15:03:43 DocScrutinizer, what's this about? Aug 02 15:03:55 caller-ringtones Aug 02 15:04:06 per-contact-ringtones? Aug 02 15:04:08 hi doc Aug 02 15:04:12 something like that Aug 02 15:04:18 Hilzu: woglinde Aug 02 15:04:22 err Aug 02 15:04:25 lol Aug 02 15:04:33 Hilzu: sorry ETAB Aug 02 15:04:44 Hi woglinde :-) Aug 02 15:05:32 * DocScrutinizer pulls laptop into reach, covering the mouse slaughtering area... Aug 02 15:05:44 lcuk: cool Aug 02 15:06:20 hwn i try to install dpkg -i cgoban_1.9.14m4-1_armel.deb Aug 02 15:06:30 then dpkg said: cgoban pre-depends on maemo-select-menu-location Aug 02 15:06:35 can anyone help m pls? Aug 02 15:06:48 there is a cgoban package? :) Aug 02 15:06:57 ThoMe: That is a N8x0 package. Aug 02 15:07:15 is from here https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=113&release_id=223 Aug 02 15:07:18 which is fro n900er ? Aug 02 15:07:32 ThoMe: That is a diablo-ism ;) Aug 02 15:07:38 Hi Aug 02 15:07:42 ThoMe: So probably a left over from older versions. Aug 02 15:07:44 hi lardman and x-fade Aug 02 15:07:53 X-Fade: and now? now cgobvan? :/ Aug 02 15:08:09 ThoMe: Remove it and recompile? Aug 02 15:08:15 which? Aug 02 15:08:23 The predepends Aug 02 15:08:27 yo lbt, still swamped? :) Aug 02 15:08:39 hi woglinde Aug 02 15:08:47 hey X-Fade Aug 02 15:08:55 X-Fade: remove? i have download from here https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=113&release_id=223 Aug 02 15:08:55 hi Aug 02 15:09:00 you have no idea TomaszD Aug 02 15:09:57 lbt, what are you doing anyway :) Aug 02 15:11:06 lcuk: you still around? Aug 02 15:11:44 TomaszD: it's the last week of our dev cycle so we have a lot to do by monday. Mainly OBS/xen setup. I've also got the community OBS setup to do Aug 02 15:12:59 lbt, ah, that explains it Aug 02 15:15:34 x-fade are binaries in src.deb upload allowed in maemo? Aug 02 15:16:30 woglinde: You can't upload src.debs directly when in free. Aug 02 15:16:43 x-fade *sigh* Aug 02 15:16:55 lardman, ish Aug 02 15:16:57 I mean in the tar.gz Aug 02 15:17:03 * lcuk is preparing for early start tomorrow Aug 02 15:17:12 lcuk to where? Aug 02 15:17:33 woglinde, nowhere but i have to have things done Aug 02 15:17:48 woglinde: That is possible, people might not like it though. Aug 02 15:18:38 x-fade becasue the icedtea package is only copying stuff Aug 02 15:19:49 in debian that would be a no go Aug 02 15:20:30 woglinde: For free that is not a nice thing to do, no. Aug 02 15:21:19 what's going on with community menber cloaks? Aug 02 15:21:31 is this stalled? Aug 02 15:21:49 Is waiting for me to get some spare time. Aug 02 15:22:01 Af'noon, all Aug 02 15:22:01 who's in charge of dealing with this topic? Aug 02 15:22:05 Holiday time is not the best time for that. Aug 02 15:22:25 ieehks repackaed from debian arm binaries Aug 02 15:27:00 X-Fade: why is holiday interferng with cloaks? /stats -p; /query 'maemo cloak for x, y, z please' - done Aug 02 15:28:20 or even more simple, s/\/stats -p/\/join #freenode/ Aug 02 15:31:38 oops, of course /stats p ; not /stats -p Aug 02 15:32:00 DocScrutinizer: How about you create a nice list with nick and desired cloak for community members who deserve recognition and I'll request them. Aug 02 15:32:07 but honestly, /join freenode, ask - the painless method Aug 02 15:32:37 X-Fade: thought you got such list already Aug 02 15:33:08 DocScrutinizer: Nope. Aug 02 15:33:56 hmm, my list is short, so easily finished with in 5 min. Just one member that starts with Mo Aug 02 15:34:41 Screenshot of the chat/conversations problem im having at http://realitygaps.com/screenfix.jpg . The right scrollbar is the issue Aug 02 15:34:47 no idea where in wiki or elsewhere there's an equivalent to device queue, for cloaks Aug 02 15:35:31 got the idea users applying for cloak are sending mail or other notice to council Aug 02 15:35:57 haye Aug 02 15:37:09 haha, power just went down in a few blocks Aug 02 15:37:29 heh, just installed fmms on a newly flashed device from HAM for the first time.. did not realise it sucks in 7MBs worth of packages :P Aug 02 15:37:30 massive thunderstorm, apparently lightning struck not too far away Aug 02 15:39:04 DocScrutinizer, should be a list on the bug. Aug 02 15:39:12 Wiki is a few nicks out of date. Aug 02 15:39:14 bug?? Aug 02 15:39:35 funny to keep that as a ticket Aug 02 15:39:45 anyway, bug#? Aug 02 15:39:58 875565 Aug 02 15:40:08 muhaha Aug 02 15:40:21 no shit, you got the reference? Aug 02 15:40:35 hm 8 euro umts internetfalt Aug 02 15:40:45 they are crazy here in germany Aug 02 15:41:08 * DocScrutinizer sighs Aug 02 15:41:21 doc? Aug 02 15:41:21 DocScrutinizer, some number or other Aug 02 15:41:29 Has IRC in the summary. . . . Aug 02 15:42:01 X-Fade: MohammadAG: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8450 Aug 02 15:42:03 Bug 8450: Add remaining IRC cloaks Aug 02 15:42:28 GAN900: has also cloak in summary :-D Aug 02 15:44:24 GAN900, that's still not taken care off Aug 02 15:44:26 ? Aug 02 15:47:36 GAN900, ping ^ Aug 02 15:48:14 I'd care about it, but cloaks can be asked for by group owner only Aug 02 15:48:15 crashanddie_, what? Aug 02 15:48:19 brb, N900 reboot due to opera crash Aug 02 15:48:39 GAN900, how come the cloaks aren't taken care off yet? Aug 02 15:48:51 crashanddie_, most of them are. Aug 02 15:49:08 GAN900, why did you ever give up founder status :P Aug 02 15:49:20 But I blame X-Fade's clear laziness and incompetence. :P Aug 02 15:49:21 there's a new application every once in a while - karma is dynamic ;-D Aug 02 15:49:22 crashanddie_ which irc client you're using? Aug 02 15:49:26 crashanddie_, nefver had it. Aug 02 15:49:58 Dmitrys, I'm on the N900, so xchat, but macirssi on the laptop Aug 02 15:50:18 why? something wrong with the encoding? Aug 02 15:50:30 nah Aug 02 15:50:33 it looks ok here Aug 02 15:50:36 on plain ASCII? no Aug 02 15:50:49 ynk! Aug 02 15:50:54 DocScrutinizer: there are ways of messing that up Aug 02 15:50:58 like utf-16 Aug 02 15:51:07 hmm Aug 02 15:51:35 utf-16 is awesomeness in a box Aug 02 15:52:46 crashanddie_: unless you need to be space conscious :-) Aug 02 15:55:43 utf-16 for irc ... have fun ;) Aug 02 15:58:21 * DocScrutinizer sighs on growing a real ticket, with lists and whatnot, of such a simple thing as /query x-fade please give me a cloak Aug 02 15:58:47 lcuk: can't remember what I was going to say - I'll email you if I do :) Aug 02 15:58:55 hey GAN900, how's things Aug 02 15:58:56 ? Aug 02 15:59:42 lardman, pretty good, we kicked the Yankees to the curb last night, so I'm happy. :P Aug 02 15:59:52 lol Aug 02 16:00:04 DocScrutinizer, /msg hpotter please give me a cloak Aug 02 16:00:05 we watched the Giants in SF, was interesting Aug 02 16:00:17 lardman, that's a nice stadium. Aug 02 16:00:28 crashanddie_: your karma needs to be 50.000 for that Aug 02 16:00:40 so they say, certainly had a nice view, but the prices for food & drink were shocking Aug 02 16:00:55 DocScrutinizer, /msg xfade please give me access to the db Aug 02 16:01:13 :-P Aug 02 16:01:30 lardman, and you're surprised? Aug 02 16:01:32 dumbledore will know you cheated Aug 02 16:01:51 crashanddie_: well, it was really expensive, far more so than at a rugby match over here Aug 02 16:02:36 hey, they know you won't go back home once you are there Aug 02 16:02:38 DocScrutinizer, dumbledore is dead Aug 02 16:03:05 is there any info about new meego phones yet? Aug 02 16:03:19 some rumour about the N9 was what I last saw? Aug 02 16:03:20 really? Aug 02 16:03:29 s/new/any Aug 02 16:03:31 lardman, see the kayakers in the Bay waiting for home runs? Aug 02 16:03:48 :) no, were on the other side Aug 02 16:04:11 and there was only one actually, so watching more baseball in the bars I was surprised to see that it can be quite high scoring Aug 02 16:04:12 lardman, well, half of that is SF, half of it is the worthless dollar and the rest is simply attraction food prices. Aug 02 16:04:13 huh, what was that? did I write that? Aug 02 16:04:22 yeah SF is very pricey Aug 02 16:04:25 Garlic fries are really good there. Aug 02 16:04:54 lardman, baseball is very much a game of luck. Aug 02 16:05:14 lardman, do a Segway tour? Aug 02 16:05:40 no, though there was one at my conf which I was trying to get a ride on Aug 02 16:05:55 but failed Aug 02 16:06:05 Too bad. Aug 02 16:06:12 lardman, where are you now? Aug 02 16:06:43 back in UK, suffering from jetlag Aug 02 16:06:54 Ah, did you go shooting? Aug 02 16:07:09 in the end no, didn't really have the time in LV Aug 02 16:07:26 but will have to arrange something next time we're over in a permissive state Aug 02 16:07:36 Too bad, clearly you'll have to come to Florida some time so I can take you. :P Aug 02 16:07:45 hehe Aug 02 16:07:47 sounds like a plan :) Aug 02 16:07:49 shooting Aug 02 16:07:59 GAN900, is that an open invitation? Aug 02 16:08:05 woglinde: get your mind out of the gutter! Aug 02 16:08:10 crashanddie_, sure. Aug 02 16:08:30 GAN900, I'm bidding on a 5dmk2 and merlin steadicam Aug 02 16:09:31 GAN900, it's very poorly advertised, and no bids -- 3 hours to go... 150 euros total Aug 02 16:09:51 Cool Aug 02 16:10:01 lard I only shot with uzi and g3 Aug 02 16:10:13 lardman, they let you shoot at bottles of tannerite here. Aug 02 16:10:20 he and 120mm mortar Aug 02 16:10:32 but that was not in the us Aug 02 16:10:53 GAN900: ah, just googled, so that blows up then? Aug 02 16:11:08 lardman, aye. :D Aug 02 16:11:13 1000yd range Aug 02 16:11:14 Ыщ... Aug 02 16:11:18 err... Aug 02 16:11:19 woglinde: I've shot a shotgun, but that's about it Aug 02 16:11:44 pfff, people comparing the guns they shot... Aug 02 16:12:04 I've downed approx 600 guys over the course of 2 years Aug 02 16:12:43 (as a national paintball competition player) Aug 02 16:12:49 hihi Aug 02 16:13:03 but paintball is not the same Aug 02 16:13:15 paintball is more like counterstrike Aug 02 16:13:19 yeah, you don't worry too much about getting hit Aug 02 16:13:22 no, but it teaches you good tactics Aug 02 16:13:29 fun though, except that my mask always fogs up Aug 02 16:13:35 the "fog of war" Aug 02 16:13:37 tactics? Aug 02 16:13:48 the only tatict I saw was shoot and forget Aug 02 16:14:16 ah we had some tactics, let one chap run out and get "killed" so we could see where they were hidden, etc. Aug 02 16:14:29 lol Aug 02 16:14:39 guess I were real Aug 02 16:14:43 who would do it Aug 02 16:14:46 woglinde: this is 5 people strategic games on speed courses (ctf mode, on a 50 x 150m terrain), not just s&d in the woods Aug 02 16:14:47 crashanddie_, not really. Aug 02 16:15:02 crashanddie_, it teaches you DANGEROUS tactics for a real firefight. :P Aug 02 16:15:10 GAN900 right Aug 02 16:15:18 also I understand that hiding behind a tree doesn't work so well against 7.62mm ;) Aug 02 16:15:20 so you have good communication, with people covering your progress etc Aug 02 16:15:32 crashanddie_: yeah agreed there Aug 02 16:15:35 lard man yes Aug 02 16:15:35 lardman, depends. Aug 02 16:15:45 GAN900: great redwood? ;) Aug 02 16:15:49 Hehe Aug 02 16:16:02 lardman and you can get hit by wood splines too Aug 02 16:16:03 it's not in the woods guys... it's tanks and buildings, or air-inflated obstacles Aug 02 16:16:24 ditto air-inflated obstacles ;) Aug 02 16:16:26 you hide behind your own bullets Aug 02 16:16:46 lardman, I'd say redwoods would not offer much resistance, seeing how flaky their are Aug 02 16:16:56 they** Aug 02 16:17:01 yeah but 10m thick Aug 02 16:17:05 switching to laptop Aug 02 16:17:43 random relevant question, is pyside supported on PCs? Aug 02 16:17:48 10m thick mush is still just that, mush Aug 02 16:18:48 but yeah, competition paintball was heaps of fun, a lot more fun than regular. Plus, you get the added bonus of having equipment that can actually fire some stuff Aug 02 16:19:05 most "rent" equipment will fire what, 3 balls per second, tops? Aug 02 16:19:12 lardman: "supported" as in "will work" or "present in distros" or "will be fixed if non-naemo/meego bugs reported"? Aug 02 16:19:29 The competition stuff, quite a bit more expensive, will shoot up to 18 balls per second, and if you chip it, it can go up to 30 balls per second Aug 02 16:19:49 lardman: okay, gentoo has pyside in main tree Aug 02 16:21:03 slonopotamus: ok, so it's at least workable then, that's good Aug 02 16:21:29 crashanddie: hmm, how many balls in a hopper? Aug 02 16:21:36 lardman: 200 Aug 02 16:22:20 meh Aug 02 16:22:42 bad gsm cables here :/ Aug 02 16:23:21 lardman: depending on the event type (speedball, whatnot), each team has a limited amount of balls extra. In Speedball, it's something like 500 balls extra (from memory, don't quote me), so the guys in the back get a couple of extra loaders, while the guys in the front just storm and don't really have the time to empty the hopper Aug 02 16:23:43 ok Aug 02 16:23:59 * lardman just sees his £10 notes being fired out on full-auto Aug 02 16:24:04 :) Aug 02 16:24:23 at least there's not too much recoil, so they might all hit the same location Aug 02 16:24:43 I suppose you'd need gas recharges too if you're firing that many balls Aug 02 16:24:45 ? Aug 02 16:25:55 :/ Aug 02 16:29:13 lardman: we bought 2000 balls for about 16 euros Aug 02 16:29:56 not on the site then I guess? Aug 02 16:29:57 should make a printer out of them them Aug 02 16:30:03 bye Aug 02 16:30:17 lardman: we use compressed air, and you're only allowed one recharge per game. Each game lasts 2 minutes (in speedball), or 5 minutes (normal) Aug 02 16:30:30 ah quite short then Aug 02 16:30:48 I had one recharge and by the end of the day (3hr) was needing to ballistic lobs Aug 02 16:30:58 Hi folks, I've got a question about package versioning on Maemo (or rather on N900) -- I'm a developer of a desktop application, a Qt-based IMAP e-mail client called Trojita, http://trojita.flaska.net/ Aug 02 16:31:36 a guy came to me and offered to port it to N900, which is a great idea, except that ge already released a version with a version number that doesn't match anything I've done so far Aug 02 16:32:21 is his version lower or higher? Aug 02 16:32:33 I obviously want the version numbers to be synced between the desktop and maemo branches, and so far I've only done "0.1" while he released "0.1-1" and "0.2-1", see http://maemo.org/packages/view/trojita/ Aug 02 16:32:37 and does it need reversioning due to significant changes? Aug 02 16:32:50 oh Aug 02 16:32:54 depending on my role (I was more of a front player, but sometimes had to play pivot), I would use different barrels. Long barrel with custom end made my gun very loud, and brought attention to me, but also gave me increased accuracy so that I could help front-players out if needed. Short barrel for increased mobility and close-quarters combat. Aug 02 16:33:11 sorry, "marker" Aug 02 16:33:32 jkt: well it might be possible to remove the 0.2-x version, but I guess the -X part would be useful for the maemo port if it requires significant changes to the mainline Aug 02 16:33:34 lardman: my "0.1" is ancient, his "0.1-1" and "0.2-1" are based on very similar codebase and differ essentially just in the Maemo GUI work Aug 02 16:34:32 do you plan to release a 0.2 any time soon? Aug 02 16:34:33 lardman: yes, I guess that development on Maemo GUI and on the IMAP core do not correlate much Aug 02 16:34:40 in which case he could bump to 0.2-3 Aug 02 16:34:45 I could, yeah Aug 02 16:34:57 then keep your numbing for the main part, and add the dash stuff for maemo-isations Aug 02 16:35:06 s/numbing/numbering Aug 02 16:35:14 so I could call "0.2" the stuff I have in mainline right now, okay Aug 02 16:35:28 yeah, that's my suggestion anyway Aug 02 16:35:35 +1 Aug 02 16:36:12 you might want to also think about whether you'll want point releases - I don't know if a dash is higher than a point Aug 02 16:36:19 well, the only thing which was holding me back from that is that I've a refactoring going on in a separate branch, so essentially any bugreports I get about that version I release might not be that much useful :( Aug 02 16:36:24 i.e. is 0.2-3 higher than 0.2.1-3? Aug 02 16:36:44 well. running n900 at a higher cpu freq makes more sense wrt the fact that usb connectors still tear off and are fixed by whole motherboard replacement :) Aug 02 16:36:59 I come from gentoo land where 0.2.1-r3 is higher (we add a "-rXXX" for iterations of the packaging work) Aug 02 16:37:19 jkt: -r is special Aug 02 16:37:28 dash is lower Aug 02 16:37:40 than point Aug 02 16:37:49 then Aug 02 16:37:56 ? Aug 02 16:38:00 so 0.2-3 < 0.2.1-2? that's cool (and expected) Aug 02 16:38:08 oh, specifying, not concluding, my bad. Aug 02 16:38:08 jkt: debian policy has exact description on version strings and dpkg-smth is capable of comparing them Aug 02 16:38:28 in which case you're fine, just ask him to use mainline and bump the dash version for his changes Aug 02 16:38:49 okay Aug 02 16:38:54 thanks a lot for your advice, guys Aug 02 16:38:59 jkt: dpkg --compare-versions Aug 02 16:39:29 np Aug 02 16:40:01 * jkt installs dpkg on his Gentoo box Aug 02 16:40:10 jkt: dpkg --compare-versions 0.2-3 lt 0.2.1-2 && echo 'less!' Aug 02 16:40:18 jkt: outputs less! Aug 02 16:40:39 jkt: you have dpkg in maemo Aug 02 16:41:04 man, I've been on unlimited moderating status for over 2 weeks now on slashdot Aug 02 16:41:12 as soon as I hit 1 moderation point, I get 5 again Aug 02 16:41:21 slonopotamus: I don't have a Maemo device Aug 02 16:42:02 lardman: what are you working on these days wrt to Maemo? Aug 02 16:42:05 jkt: the maemo-patcher can compare, I think that should work fine and in any case your current numbering system doesn't need to know whether -<. Aug 02 16:42:12 crashanddie: mbarcode Aug 02 16:42:14 lardman: got any C++ stuff I could dig into? Aug 02 16:42:21 yeah, see above Aug 02 16:42:25 maemo-barcode in Garage Aug 02 16:42:30 k Aug 02 16:42:33 jkt: any debian-based distro will also work :) Aug 02 16:42:38 you want work to do or something to look at? Aug 02 16:42:52 well, if you got bite-sized chunks of things to do Aug 02 16:43:00 jkt: there's also some crappy concept of "epochs" Aug 02 16:43:09 take a look at both the Garage page and the mbarcode thread in TMO Aug 02 16:43:11 I've got an interview on wednesday, need to undust the c++ skills Aug 02 16:43:16 there's a todo list on the Garage page Aug 02 16:43:22 k Aug 02 16:43:50 https://garage.maemo.org/pm/task.php?group_project_id=1347&group_id=732&func=browse Aug 02 16:44:09 some might be done now mind you, I've been away for 3 weeks Aug 02 16:44:14 slonopotamus: thanks, I'll rtfm more, but I guess I can release 0.2 anyway, and the code will be very similar Aug 02 16:45:01 lardman: mind giving me a quick sitrep about the abook lookup thingy? Aug 02 16:45:31 abook header won't compile using C++ compiler, at least not easily Aug 02 16:45:33 jkt: debian policy works as a good reference manual for packaging for non-portage systems :) Aug 02 16:45:53 would be good to wrap it so we can call the abook stuff directly rather than needing to write vCards to a file, then opening the file Aug 02 16:46:07 but, the current method does work, so it's probably not essential Aug 02 16:46:20 yeah, but seems like a fun task Aug 02 16:46:20 of more interest would be some good webpage parsing plugins Aug 02 16:46:28 or that Aug 02 16:46:29 :P Aug 02 16:46:43 lardman: don't you just wrap #include in extern "C" { ... } ? Aug 02 16:46:46 lardman: are you using any web libraries? Aug 02 16:46:50 err wut? writing vcards to file? :-S Aug 02 16:46:55 to perform a lookup of an EAN, and return in some standard format stuff like name, author, desc, review, tracks, etc., etc Aug 02 16:47:04 slonopotamus: my ultimate goal for world domination was to have the packaging done by third parties :) Aug 02 16:47:20 DocScrutinizer: and then using MIME to open them using the Contacts app Aug 02 16:47:23 friggin berkley db Aug 02 16:47:54 jkt: is this some morbid joke where you wrap dead people in giftwrap? Aug 02 16:48:00 jkt: hehe :) that just requires convincing one man per distro of packaging your app :) Aug 02 16:48:32 I guess barisione's ringtone app doesn't do that to injext special X-RINGTONE field to contacts, or to read that out Aug 02 16:49:23 crashanddie: the other one I'm working on now is a plugin that allows external apps to register an interest (and button) so that they can be called and passed barcode info using DBus Aug 02 16:49:33 slonopotamus: in this particular phase, I just wanted to package software, but well, now that you've revealed my ultimate plans, I have no option but to, well, eliminate you Aug 02 16:49:37 meh Aug 02 16:49:46 meh Aug 02 16:49:51 so that might be of use for e.g. existing shopping list apps, mapping apps (geo://), etc Aug 02 16:49:53 s/slonopotamus/crashanddie/ Aug 02 16:50:12 s/meh/yay!/ Aug 02 16:50:12 slonopotamus meant: yay! Aug 02 16:50:16 sorry, tab doesn't work for me today Aug 02 16:50:34 Anybody know how to right-click in microB? Aug 02 16:50:41 marcus: tap and hold Aug 02 16:51:01 Aha, I see now, yeah. I totally forgot that! Aug 02 16:51:02 Thx Aug 02 16:51:04 slonopotamus: no clue, perhaps, I'm not a C++ programmer Aug 02 16:51:17 crashanddie: re web libs, what do you mean? Aug 02 16:51:24 lardman: me neither. that never was an excuse :) Aug 02 16:51:39 I know, well I was short of time then :) Aug 02 16:51:39 lardman: well, the easiest way to parse a webpage is to use a DOM format Aug 02 16:51:50 sure, so a lib to do the parsing Aug 02 16:51:58 lardman: and the only valid way to do so. Aug 02 16:52:02 no, I've not had time to work out the api and write anything Aug 02 16:52:18 lardman: I don't think we need to write anything, there's bunchloads of libs that do that Aug 02 16:52:18 DocScrutinizer: hm? Aug 02 16:52:42 but that would be very useful, as all we really have atm are the barcodes - they can be sent to Google, but that's not as useful as doing the lookup and returning the actual info Aug 02 16:52:51 barisione: [2010-08-02 18:45:54] would be good to wrap it so we can call the abook stuff directly rather than needing to write vCards to a file, then opening the file Aug 02 16:53:09 lardman: the abook headers should work in C++, in the past they didn't because the maemo port of gtk broke it Aug 02 16:53:31 lardman: and yeah, there are better ways to import stuff in the address book Aug 02 16:53:32 barisione: hmm, how recently were they changed? They wouldn't work a month or so ago iirc Aug 02 16:53:37 lardman: ok, will look into that, which trunk is the current version? mbarcode-qt or maemo-barcode? Aug 02 16:53:44 mbarcode-qt Aug 02 16:53:47 lardman: it was supposed to be fixed in pr1.2 Aug 02 16:53:50 plugins in mbarcode-qt-plugins Aug 02 16:53:51 lardman: what's the problem? Aug 02 16:54:21 barisione: compilation problems that look to be C vs C++ related, I don't have it here as this was from a month or more ago Aug 02 16:54:51 DocScrutinizer: and berkley db what? Aug 02 16:55:34 crashanddie: someone who knows DOM/JSON/whatever those damn parsers use would be very useful :) Aug 02 16:55:45 bbiab Aug 02 16:56:42 barisione: abook db is berkley I've been told Aug 02 16:57:02 yes, but you aren't touching it directly, are you? Aug 02 16:59:08 lardman|afk: Qt provides a DOM parser, so I'll be looking into that. Every parser is the same, you just load a document, locate whatever you need to locate, and extract the information. Pretty simple really. Aug 02 16:59:14 DocScrutinizer, jacekowski: is it time for open initfs yet? Aug 02 16:59:26 barisione: obviously not, due to missing tools for berkley Aug 02 16:59:48 barisione, lardman: I am using abook in C++ code myself, no compilation problems Aug 02 16:59:52 barisione: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-07-16.log.html#t2010-07-16T22:49:04 Aug 02 17:00:22 no python bindings for that? Aug 02 17:00:45 DocScrutinizer: missing tools? and even if there were tools, would you really want to read it directly? that's evil Aug 02 17:01:07 crashanddie, and every DOM parser clogs up your memory =p Aug 02 17:01:25 mikhas: well, only if you use them wrong Aug 02 17:01:31 sure it's evil. But as it's now there's no way at all to access on a painless level in e.g scripts or python programs? Aug 02 17:01:43 mikhas: and since I've ported libxerces to maemo, I have a fair understanding of how they work ;) Aug 02 17:01:55 mikhas: but yeah, some parsers suck donkey balls. Aug 02 17:01:55 crashanddie, there is a right way to parse large documents with DOM parsers? Aug 02 17:02:10 mikhas: sure. Use SAX :D Aug 02 17:02:14 well ... Aug 02 17:02:19 DocScrutinizer: but why would you access it directly? the DB is just an internal thing Aug 02 17:02:45 I actually prefer sax parsers Aug 02 17:03:06 I was thinking about doing exactly what you did, but not on such an involved level of C++ coding Aug 02 17:03:19 so I stopped that project Aug 02 17:03:58 touching the DB directly is a sure way to break stuff Aug 02 17:04:08 well, I considered to keep the X-RINGTONE field as a comment Aug 02 17:04:22 mikhas: as with everything, you have to code with a specific target in mind -- speed or memory. In case of the N900, speed will never be blistering, and memory is a frivolous thing... Aug 02 17:04:41 well, but there is an API to access it and the format of the DB can change (and changed in the past) Aug 02 17:04:44 you mean, dont use xml? =p Aug 02 17:04:55 (and the API even works) Aug 02 17:05:23 barisione: granted. I just want a cmdline tool to access it. No matter which api that cmdline tool is based on Aug 02 17:05:54 see, I hate all stuff in unix not accessable via cmdline Aug 02 17:05:55 python has modules for it and the abook bit that access it is open Aug 02 17:05:59 mikhas: also, I tend to prefer SAX myself (as a Java dev). Qt is quite event driven as well, so it kinda makes sense Aug 02 17:06:12 python has? :-D Aug 02 17:06:27 but if you try to modify the DB you will break stuff (there are external indices) Aug 02 17:06:29 so that's enough cmdliny for me Aug 02 17:06:57 barisione: I didn't plan to edit it in hex editor :-P Aug 02 17:07:23 bsddb Aug 02 17:07:33 I'm aware you easily can fsckup DB Aug 02 17:07:41 can I do dist-upgrade in scratchbox? Aug 02 17:09:08 crashanddie: yes Aug 02 17:09:18 barisione: just a short reminder as I forgot: is your ringtone app in extras-devel now, or external .deb? Aug 02 17:09:26 crashanddie: but it could break stuff that you could have to fix manually Aug 02 17:09:35 extras-devel Aug 02 17:09:39 k, thnx Aug 02 17:09:55 (need to re-install, after nuking it yesterday) Aug 02 17:10:38 barisione: so should I apt-get update first? Or just dist-upgrade directly? Aug 02 17:10:40 is it possible to increase the frequency range the fm receiver can receive? Aug 02 17:11:01 GNU\caust1c: nope -- you can get the japanese frequencies IIRC, but not much more Aug 02 17:11:08 GNU\caust1c: 78..108 Aug 02 17:11:15 iirc Aug 02 17:11:18 as in, don't ask to receive FM 800Mhz Aug 02 17:11:43 crashanddie: I just use update+upgrade in my (internal version) of scratchbox. doing it has been known for breaking things, but it was for internal updates and tbh I never had any problem Aug 02 17:12:06 well, I'll try, if it breaks, I'll just nuke it and reinstall Aug 02 17:12:09 GNU\caust1c: though... I never checked back with the chip's datasheet Aug 02 17:13:12 okay :) Aug 02 17:14:01 Hey all Aug 02 17:14:23 Is anyone running an overclocked n900? Aug 02 17:15:23 MOUD: NO! Aug 02 17:15:41 everybody doing that is running a broken N900 Aug 02 17:15:59 DocScrutinizer, ok ok, no need to be all in capital letters Aug 02 17:15:59 ~tell MOUD about omap-oc Aug 02 17:16:14 I think actually there are no reports of overclocking failures as all who have tried have been killed in the explosion. Aug 02 17:16:22 lol Aug 02 17:16:31 MOUD: sorry that's your nick :-P Aug 02 17:16:32 Capital punishment for OC Aug 02 17:16:48 no problem :) Aug 02 17:17:06 off with his head Aug 02 17:24:31 is anyone running psx4all on maemo? If so, which version do you use? Aug 02 17:29:12 I got to go. Bye everyone Aug 02 17:31:53 doesn't nitdroid run at 1ghz on teh n900? Aug 02 17:33:26 overclocking to run software that doesn't do real good powermanagement yet? Aug 02 17:34:58 mikhas: sorry for the delay, is your code available for me to look at? Aug 02 17:35:27 lardman|afk, it is, but it will make your eyes bleed Aug 02 17:35:34 can you afford losing them? Aug 02 17:35:53 * crashanddie offers his eyes for lardman|afk's survival Aug 02 17:36:36 mhh. thought I'd try out tear. launching it restarted my device... Aug 02 17:36:55 is there any simple KISS browser for maemo? Aug 02 17:37:02 mikhas: lol Aug 02 17:37:16 what was the required special incarnation to get it to work then? Aug 02 17:37:24 incantation even Aug 02 17:37:26 lardman|afk, see http://gitorious.org/miniature/miniature/blobs/master/src/telepathy/tpgame.cc (check for the ugly ifdefs) - but you've been warned! Aug 02 17:37:40 it is simply not cleaned up Aug 02 17:38:08 but when mixing gtk+, abook and Qt this is no suprise Aug 02 17:38:15 thanks, will take a look and see if I can get it working Aug 02 17:38:42 you should be able to do it without the gtk+ stuff, as that is only for dialogs. you're mostly interested in the data from abook Aug 02 17:38:42 yeah, exactly, I'd hoped the contacts app backend would have already been wrapped in the Qt stuff really Aug 02 17:39:00 yep, so just glib stuff needed Aug 02 17:39:12 well, the contact roster should be easy to redo Aug 02 17:39:28 (in a Qt-ish way) Aug 02 17:39:45 lardman|afk: Qt Mobility may help you with that Aug 02 17:39:56 this slow break from gtk+ to Qt is as bad if not worse than the pr1.2 break in terms of lost productivity Aug 02 17:40:10 Venemo: does it work/is it available in the repo? Aug 02 17:40:26 (and does it use abook?) Aug 02 17:41:27 lardman|afk: Qt Mobility can access the contacts from the contacts app, yes Aug 02 17:41:37 lardman|afk: although it is not a very good solution yet Aug 02 17:42:51 hmm, well assuming the api won't change that might be worth a look Aug 02 17:43:32 I'll see if I can find it in the repo and do some reading - I did look at it a month or so ago to use it for file opening based on mime types, but it didn't work Aug 02 17:43:35 Venemo, got details regarding "although it is not a very good solution yet" Aug 02 17:43:55 mikhas: yes Aug 02 17:43:57 I mean, the answer should be binary =p Aug 02 17:44:18 mikhas: it does only work with latin character Aug 02 17:44:24 uuuuh Aug 02 17:46:48 hmm, well that's actually a limitation of mbarcode atm too, so perhaps not such a major problem Aug 02 17:46:55 I guess you're working on fixing that? Aug 02 17:48:16 already fixed Aug 02 17:48:22 fix is just not yet released Aug 02 17:49:18 ok, I'll have another look and also see if I can't remember what the issue was of the openurl() vs hildonmime openuri fn Aug 02 17:49:38 oops, he's quit Aug 02 17:49:56 -.- Aug 02 17:53:26 I'm going to follow suit, bbl Aug 02 17:54:15 Oh no!! Aug 02 17:54:54 My N900 won't get past Nokia screen Aug 02 18:00:04 would be great if all the coding competition voting threads would be unstickied in applications subforum now ;o Aug 02 18:05:31 again about the fm radio: i can only go down to 87.5 (using the fm radio program). i guess its some regional restriction? Aug 02 18:21:43 fsckng 4682 posts on overclocking-N900? tmo thread Aug 02 18:21:49 * DocScrutinizer facepalms Aug 02 18:22:37 GNU\caust1c: using FM-booster/whatever app you can extend to some 78MHz iirc Aug 02 18:22:41 DocScrutinizer, ok, so theres a diehard group of 3-4 people Aug 02 18:23:06 i recall the pr1.2 thread had about 100k posts and was mostly populated by only a handful of folks :D Aug 02 18:23:30 WUT? 100k??? :-O Aug 02 18:23:39 something silly like that Aug 02 18:23:44 fm-booster is only for the sender, no? Aug 02 18:23:47 * lcuk cannot remember offhand Aug 02 18:23:54 eliza chatting with /dev/urandom? Aug 02 18:24:25 well this seems a matching tag for whole tmo :-P Aug 02 18:24:49 GNU\caust1c: yes. Aug 02 18:24:52 GNU\caust1c: yes Aug 02 18:25:11 GNU\caust1c: oops yes, but there's something for RX as well Aug 02 18:25:29 okay, i'll search, thanks :) Aug 02 18:25:34 yw Aug 02 18:26:48 hi! i have installed sshfs and adduser, after that added the group fuse and added user to fuse. i also have changed /dev/fuse with chgrp to root.fuse. i can mount, but when i want to umount with fusermount -u mountpoint, i do get "filesystem is not in fstab" Aug 02 18:27:27 hmm-- bzflag. Aug 02 18:27:48 what am I doing wrong? Aug 02 18:28:05 on the n900 Aug 02 18:28:57 omg bzflag has the longest list of things to check in condigure I've ever seen.. daaaam! Aug 02 18:29:14 s/condigure/configure/ Aug 02 18:29:15 mece meant: omg bzflag has the longest list of things to check in configure I've ever seen.. daaaam! Aug 02 18:29:25 make Aug 02 18:29:29 errm.. oops Aug 02 18:29:34 * mece is "making" Aug 02 18:30:20 Do I really need to install linux just to use the flasher app to flash my N900 to get it working again? :'( Aug 02 18:30:48 no, you could run an ubuntu live cd Aug 02 18:30:53 * toggles_w ducks Aug 02 18:31:05 Damn but I Aug 02 18:31:06 there should be a windows version Aug 02 18:31:09 would still have to dl Aug 02 18:31:14 *download Aug 02 18:31:21 ah Aug 02 18:31:37 but that's not very techno mike Aug 02 18:32:03 I installed the rescueboot app, made backup images, and I screwed up something today, so I went and fired up the rescueboot menu and restored rootfs, now its not getting past the nokia screen and rescueboot won't even boot :( Aug 02 18:32:56 i can however umount with root, should i therefore put fusermount into sudoers? on my other linux machines it does work. Aug 02 18:33:24 without putting it in sudoers Aug 02 18:35:16 technomike: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Windows Aug 02 18:36:13 tobis87: fstab gets mangled on boot time. So it's basically unusable Aug 02 18:36:55 i do mount it manuell, so there was never an entry in fstab Aug 02 18:37:41 but unmounting a fuse filesystem should work without root Aug 02 18:37:58 hmm, maybe Aug 02 18:38:08 toggles_w - Many thanks, and sorry for my non-googling first before asking :P I found the same link from Google. Aug 02 18:38:16 Thanks :) Aug 02 18:38:21 no wukkas Aug 02 18:38:28 maybe only for the user actually mounting it? maybe for the user under group fuse? Aug 02 18:39:02 i have already added user to the group fuse, which i had to create first Aug 02 18:39:28 and i also have chgrp /dev/fuse to root.fuse Aug 02 18:40:49 damn i wish i'd paid more attention in math 2 3 Aug 02 18:40:51 and you tried to run fusermount -u mountpoint under which user, which in turn has which group permissions? Aug 02 18:40:51 and i was able to mount it as an user not as root. yes i know that fstab gets mangled, since i changed the swap partition to a virtual created with ramzswap (compcache) Aug 02 18:41:33 hmm, sorry no idea then Aug 02 18:42:26 DocScrutinizer: i run fusermount -u as an user, the default n900 user. and this user is also in the group fuse Aug 02 18:45:24 * DocScrutinizer wonders who's been the guy to share a livecam view ofer fusefs, from N900 Aug 02 18:45:32 over* Aug 02 18:45:56 ShadowJK? Aug 02 18:53:53 i once sshfs mounted my server on the DCIM folder Aug 02 18:54:04 instant publishing Aug 02 18:54:09 DocScrutinizer: Thank you anyway. Are there any news on USB hostmode? I also have read that there is hardware crypto acceleration inside the TI OMAP 3430?! Aug 02 18:54:40 cehteh: yeah, it's been you Aug 02 18:54:58 http://public.pipapo.org Aug 02 18:55:45 tobis87: hostmode is a little bit in hybernation atm. But may change in a few days when old OM folks get their devel devices and join in Aug 02 18:56:32 paul and mickey uttered threats they won't leave it untouched :-D Aug 02 18:56:50 http://public.pipapo.org/20100313_012.jpg :) Aug 02 18:57:35 DocScrutinizer: you can bet :) Aug 02 18:57:48 and mrmoku of course :-D Aug 02 18:57:49 cehteh: that's disgusting. Aug 02 18:57:59 cehteh: The lights are _way_ blowing out the image. Aug 02 18:58:42 yes just snapshots, and before i used a black marker to paint the lens slider rim Aug 02 18:58:52 the photos are not good Aug 02 18:59:15 but the food was good .. Chemnitzer Linuxtage :) Aug 02 19:00:10 cehteh, http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/08/02/1446211 Aug 02 19:01:30 cehteh, instant publishing maybe, but I tried that a while ago and having and expecting data to be live written like that causes problems - much better to have something watching specific folders and upload those using whatever conncetivity is available Aug 02 19:01:34 yeah prolly not the lights :) Aug 02 19:01:35 out of band with the activity Aug 02 19:02:03 this was just a joke but worked well Aug 02 19:02:21 Sorry if this sounds stupid, but flashing my device will not cause me to lose the eMMC contents will it? (The data on the mass storage, 32gb memory) Aug 02 19:02:30 Just confirming Aug 02 19:02:43 unless you flash the emmc image, no Aug 02 19:02:48 DocScrutinizer: I have already buyed an female to female usb adapter for this, but as far as I have understood it, It will only support a certain amount of mA? Is there a hardware list which lists ethernet to usb nics and their amount of mA they need to work? Aug 02 19:03:55 tobis87: any will work. Aug 02 19:04:07 tobis87: It supports the full normal amount of power USB provides. Aug 02 19:04:16 tobis87: However. It is not yet working. Aug 02 19:04:20 (usb host) Aug 02 19:04:44 hm, i cannot find anything about increasing the fm receiver range in the forum :/ Aug 02 19:04:59 GNU\caust1c: you mean reciever? Aug 02 19:05:12 * mrmoku` starts to get angry at his provider :/ Aug 02 19:05:20 wait Aug 02 19:05:22 I don Aug 02 19:05:25 receiver, i guess Aug 02 19:05:45 tobis87: not anyone I know of, and limit is 200mA Aug 02 19:05:52 GNU\caust1c: plug USB lead into top of phone, phones into bottom. That may help. Aug 02 19:06:04 Err - I thought it was 500. Aug 02 19:06:13 * SpeedEvil wonders where he got that from. Aug 02 19:06:22 FR? Aug 02 19:06:23 SpeedEvil: i'm trying to increase the frequency range Aug 02 19:06:30 GNU\caust1c: Ah - you can't. Aug 02 19:06:41 wait, I don't need to download any images if I have image backups of rootfs and optfs do I ? I can just flash those directly Aug 02 19:06:48 GNU\caust1c: Well - you can't - over the hardware spec - which is considerably wider than 88-108 Aug 02 19:06:51 GNU\caust1c: what range? Aug 02 19:07:06 i want to use the asian range Aug 02 19:07:33 Where does maemo store contacts information? is there is specific folder? Aug 02 19:08:32 th3hate: some sqlite db somewhere Aug 02 19:09:21 DocScrutinizer: :-(, at least I could sync my data from a 3.5'' disk. Aug 02 19:09:50 GNU\caust1c: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48866 Aug 02 19:11:19 yeah, found that thread Aug 02 19:12:29 the FM reciever is controlled through the video4linux API Aug 02 19:12:45 you need some software to poke this - in the absence of the GUI doing it Aug 02 19:12:53 ok Aug 02 19:13:03 I'd also wonder if FMRadio could be simply modified to do this, I suspect so Aug 02 19:13:26 ping TomaszD, he should know all about it Aug 02 19:14:30 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36177 Aug 02 19:14:35 cehteh, i think the sqlite db is in the 256MB NAND memory where the rootfs is Aug 02 19:15:07 i doubt that .. but i forgot the location Aug 02 19:16:26 th3hate: /home/user/.osso-abook/db/ Aug 02 19:17:22 cehteh, thanks Aug 02 19:18:29 moin Aug 02 19:18:56 DocScrutinizer, not me Aug 02 19:19:13 yup, was cehteh Aug 02 19:19:23 which repo has unzip? Aug 02 19:20:03 th3hate: it's a berkley db Aug 02 19:20:10 no SQLite Aug 02 19:20:26 and has anyone used cpan on an n900? Aug 02 19:20:26 how to open it? Aug 02 19:20:43 see backscroll, search for berkley Aug 02 19:20:54 or for barisione Aug 02 19:21:32 will try now Aug 02 19:22:03 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog Aug 02 19:22:48 http://pastebin.com/QzkZ7tEg GNU\caust1c Aug 02 19:22:59 nox-: unzip is either devel or tools Aug 02 19:23:03 GNU\caust1c: which raises the possibility it may be more complex Aug 02 19:23:10 (due to above limits) Aug 02 19:23:51 SpeedEvil: are there any decent datasheets for that friggin broadcom chip? Aug 02 19:24:08 dunno, I've not looked Aug 02 19:24:42 that might explain why the hardware wiki pages don't hold any link :-P Aug 02 19:24:43 thx, ill look Aug 02 19:24:49 When i connect n900 via usb it says not charging insufficent power Aug 02 19:24:55 :) Aug 02 19:24:57 Indeed. Aug 02 19:24:59 how to give sufficent power? Aug 02 19:25:22 th3hate: Take the USB cable apart, and wire teh red and blank leads directly to a mains plug, and plug it in. Aug 02 19:25:26 (no, not really) Aug 02 19:25:39 you're plugging it into a PC> Aug 02 19:25:46 err.. Aug 02 19:25:55 Plug it directly in, not through an unpowered hub Aug 02 19:26:07 it's plugged directly Aug 02 19:26:10 SpeedEvil: hmk Aug 02 19:26:41 th3hate: if the PC is enummerating it as a 500mA device, and that's not sufficient, then you probably do nasty things like overclocking, running joghurt sport, or dunno what Aug 02 19:26:44 used to charge 30 min's ago but stopped now Aug 02 19:27:17 actually stopped after transfering a 4GB movie Aug 02 19:27:19 DocScrutinizer: making coffee! Aug 02 19:28:42 kerio: for `sudo make c0ffe` you need working hostmode, and that doesn't match with plugging it into a PC Aug 02 19:28:54 no, i mean, with the n900 Aug 02 19:29:10 sure, me too Aug 02 19:29:14 overclock it to 1ghz and run a primality test for a very large number Aug 02 19:29:24 that'll heat it up nicely Aug 02 19:29:55 still you need the stirring motor attached to USB in Hostmode Aug 02 19:30:50 * DocScrutinizer steals 15kg of raspberries from SpeedEvil and runs Aug 02 19:30:51 does flashing restore rootfs only or rootfs and oftfs? Aug 02 19:31:19 Jaffa: is there anything else you need doing? Aug 02 19:31:23 Please, take them! Aug 02 19:32:05 flashing COMBINED will restore rootfs (and /opt), flashing VANILLA will erase and restore the eMMC Aug 02 19:33:03 which is basically /opt, /home, and ~user/MyDocs Aug 02 19:33:56 so flashing VANILLA always needs to flash COMBINED, preferably after that Aug 02 19:34:25 to restore /opt Aug 02 19:34:49 and ~user/* Aug 02 19:36:27 btw wtf is oftfs? Aug 02 19:36:30 so I am right to be flashing RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin Aug 02 19:36:38 because I do NOT want to erase eMMC Aug 02 19:36:46 yep, if you're in "203" Aug 02 19:36:51 I am :) Aug 02 19:36:55 k Aug 02 19:36:58 go ahead Aug 02 19:37:12 Thanks alot. Just wanted to confirm. Because need the contents on the eMMC :P Aug 02 19:37:15 but anyway do a backup using backup tool Aug 02 19:38:03 I already have backup images on the eMMC, I tried to do a rootfs restore before, and it messed up and bricked my N900. Aug 02 19:38:16 backup images of rootfs and optfs Aug 02 19:38:20 o.O Aug 02 19:38:29 using RescueBoot Aug 02 19:38:34 aah Aug 02 19:39:00 Do you know what I mean? Not sure if its called RescueBoot now... but I think it is Aug 02 19:39:01 no, I'm talking about simple backup app to save your desktop settings and whatnot Aug 02 19:39:09 Ah yeah" Aug 02 19:39:13 :) Aug 02 19:39:24 well here we go. going to attempt flash now Aug 02 19:39:53 * DocScrutinizer waves Aug 02 19:55:03 why do i have libsdl-mixer1.2 *still* conflicting? Aug 02 19:56:47 kerio: because it's maemo. Aug 02 20:01:44 Its done :) Thanks DocScrutinizer Aug 02 20:02:18 Anyone here who has more then 4 desktops on their N900? Aug 02 20:02:36 I saw a thread about it on maemo.org but it wasn't all clear if it worked or not Aug 02 20:02:42 And how it effects the phone Aug 02 20:03:04 affects Aug 02 20:03:16 yeah yeah,,,English isn't my native language Aug 02 20:03:24 saw it, but didn't wanna correct myself hehe Aug 02 20:03:28 neither is it mine. Aug 02 20:03:36 my speech to text program isnt perfect either Aug 02 20:03:50 anyways back to the question pl0x Aug 02 20:04:03 GNU\caust1c: https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1877 Aug 02 20:04:07 tank-man: stt apps don't write "isn't" Aug 02 20:05:33 isnt Aug 02 20:06:08 my text to speech app isnt named Data Aug 02 20:06:10 :) Aug 02 20:06:30 thx :) Aug 02 20:08:25 hmm bzflag compiles and runs just fine in scratchbox x86.. Aug 02 20:09:33 How many times can you reflash the n900 before the memory wears? Aug 02 20:10:27 hm Aug 02 20:10:31 or will the cpu of the n900 be long dead before the memory starts to wear? Aug 02 20:11:09 i guess there is not another repo with perl things like Text::Iconv? Aug 02 20:11:31 tobis87: if you're just reflashing, that's trivial Aug 02 20:11:33 in realistic terms, your n900 will be in a museum and youll be dead before the flash memory in the device nackers from writes Aug 02 20:11:38 tobis87: be worried about journal and swap first Aug 02 20:11:46 tobis87, there are people who flash n900s many times a day (myself, Stskeeps and a load more around here) and have yet to see memory device eol Aug 02 20:12:49 luke-jr: i already do i use ramzswap with a size of 32mb and the swap as backing store. Aug 02 20:13:12 tobis87: does that make a difference? Aug 02 20:13:21 N900 swaps too much period Aug 02 20:13:36 lower swappiness tbh Aug 02 20:13:40 tobis87: personally, I want to use swap on external MicroSD Aug 02 20:13:48 faster and disposable Aug 02 20:13:50 lcuk: i have done so many modifications to the n900, and i have not flashed it for two month. Aug 02 20:13:59 but Fremantle kernel likes to panic over it Aug 02 20:15:43 tobis87, my devices go through phases Aug 02 20:15:48 luke-jr: not with the latest from may, it is fixed. i set swapiness to 50 and it swaps out ~80MB with 5 application opened, 80mb is size witch fit inside the 32mb ramzswap, because it is compressed. Aug 02 20:16:09 sometimes the flashes last a week or two, other times multiple flashes a day Aug 02 20:17:01 tobis87: the 20101501 has the problem Aug 02 20:17:30 What are the differences between VLC and VLC-player in n900 repository? Aug 02 20:17:41 one gets you laid Aug 02 20:17:58 pronto: Oh gawd! Aug 02 20:18:11 i'm useless, i know , i'll shut up now Aug 02 20:18:13 pronto: By some 3d hologram or? Aug 02 20:18:21 4d o.o Aug 02 20:18:36 it's one more D then 3D , like my report cards! Aug 02 20:18:38 pronto: So I can smell her as well? Aug 02 20:18:55 marcus_: No - it supports thetoy.co.uk over bluetooth Aug 02 20:19:09 Rofl Aug 02 20:19:09 pronto, can you identify which is which? Aug 02 20:19:14 Back on topic though :p Aug 02 20:19:17 or is it like schrodingers pussy? Aug 02 20:19:24 that is for you to figure out and me to BOOM! Aug 02 20:19:55 SpeedEvil, i like the rugged bombproof case that comes in Aug 02 20:20:34 So pronto: Could you go back in time and find out which one _didn't_ get you laid, so I can get right one? Aug 02 20:20:51 ;_; Aug 02 20:20:58 ;) Aug 02 20:21:09 sorry I have got things messed up, yes it is the version form january. i hacked the fstab creation file to point it to ramzswap and added the "/sbin/modprobe ramzswap && sleep 1" before the swapon -a in a startup file Aug 02 20:25:16 luke-jr: my version is form 20100124:http://code.google.com/p/compcache/source/detail?r=7f18e56b4acb7dd83aeecc371ed14d82d6f2b86a http://code.google.com/p/compcache/source/detail?r=0b3ae470397ed35ea06923963aca8101654fe582 Aug 02 20:41:56 * crashanddie is classifying/archiving/cleaning up his inbox for the first time in 9 months Aug 02 20:42:02 4800 emails to go through... Aug 02 20:42:08 woah Aug 02 20:42:33 I have to go through and clean my inbox out, only around 2000 though for me Aug 02 20:43:11 *- only Aug 02 20:43:45 imap or local? Aug 02 20:44:01 tobis87: gmail Aug 02 20:44:14 same ^ Aug 02 20:44:58 anybody trying g729 codec on N900, dont bother, it eats 20% more cpu than pcmu Aug 02 20:45:10 g729 on N900 is a fail Aug 02 20:45:37 luke-jr: what codec do you use for talking to asterisk? Aug 02 20:47:19 Actually it appears my keyboard is working fine now .. Aug 02 20:48:09 Oh well, I suppose I can consider the replacement I ordered a nice refurb, as the buttons are wearing out on this keyboard. Aug 02 20:55:05 100% cpu scrolling stick Aug 02 20:55:08 I love it Aug 02 21:01:06 huh GAN900 - what did you do to overload things? Aug 02 21:03:00 lcuk, just using the stupid thing day-to-day. Aug 02 21:03:19 scrolling while rendering is apparently too much to ask Aug 02 21:03:36 rendering what? the mona lisa? what did you have running at the time Aug 02 21:03:41 Much like the rest of the Maemo experience, it's rough, choppy and unpleasant. Aug 02 21:03:53 Just loading a silly Talk thread. Aug 02 21:04:10 what else did you have running? Aug 02 21:04:18 100% CPU is a poor excuse to have keys stick Aug 02 21:04:33 lcuk: you don't need anything but the browser running Aug 02 21:04:33 FBReader, XChat, two SMS windows. Aug 02 21:05:05 GAN900, what tabs were in browser - any flash stuff? Aug 02 21:05:13 errr subwindows Aug 02 21:05:24 One window Aug 02 21:05:28 lcuk: it's inherent to the browser's behavior since PR1.2 Aug 02 21:05:46 It's a kernel issue, supposedly. Aug 02 21:06:20 But I can hardly browse the web without the browser sticking on an arrow scroll and taking me all the way down the page. Aug 02 21:06:28 GAN900, i know its silly, but give me a specific url Aug 02 21:06:41 GAN900: that happen me too Aug 02 21:06:46 in tmo Aug 02 21:06:49 this is not a new issue Aug 02 21:07:10 we have all encountered slowdowns on browser but its not an all the time thing certainly Aug 02 21:07:20 Nearly all the time. Aug 02 21:07:32 well give me an example of a url thats slow for you please Aug 02 21:07:36 Can't say I've had an issue like that. Aug 02 21:07:41 If you want a URL, see the bug on the issue. Aug 02 21:07:43 me neither Aug 02 21:07:48 I have to clear the history every now and again because the autocomplete is a pile of crap Aug 02 21:07:51 i have issues if i have many flash windows open Aug 02 21:08:06 And when I switch to another app whilst a page is loading sometimes it just forgets it's supposed to be loading a page .. Aug 02 21:08:22 gmail was the most frustrating until i found out it pauses if you pan to dashboard Aug 02 21:08:29 alterego, thats a setting Aug 02 21:08:53 lcuk: ? Aug 02 21:09:01 open a browser Aug 02 21:09:03 goto options Aug 02 21:09:10 "allow javascript pausing" Aug 02 21:09:23 happens all the time, just scroll while it's still loading the page Aug 02 21:10:24 * lcuk signs into twitter Aug 02 21:11:00 Erm, it's not javascript Aug 02 21:11:05 Just normal web pages .. Aug 02 21:11:06 there we are Aug 02 21:11:10 https://twitter.com/lcuk/status/20167832025 Aug 02 21:11:13 bug 10289 Aug 02 21:11:14 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10289 Arrow keys scroll inconsistently Aug 02 21:11:54 alterego, depends on how the page is being loaded - isnt gmail basically all js? Aug 02 21:12:08 I don't use gmail Aug 02 21:12:14 I'm talking about going to any webpage. Aug 02 21:12:21 Whilst it's loading if you change to another app. Aug 02 21:12:40 Then go back, most of the time for me it doesn't bother loading the page. I have to refresh it to get it to load and not change app. Aug 02 21:14:20 mm Aug 02 21:15:09 * lcuk ponders who can trace these things Aug 02 21:15:20 trumee: nfc. probably ulaw or gsm Aug 02 21:16:13 does gsm consumes lower cpu than gsm? Aug 02 21:16:22 only on tuesdays Aug 02 21:17:15 Did anyone else think that didn't make any sense?> Aug 02 21:18:00 luke-jr, i think as much as i like g729 on 3g i will have to go with ulaw Aug 02 21:18:02 hahahahahaha Aug 02 21:18:12 just realised that myself too alterego Aug 02 21:18:17 alterego: Not as good as Aug 02 21:18:18 19:05:29 < Robin_Watts> CPU usage for compression or decompression ? Aug 02 21:18:19 19:05:45 < Guest94857> no cpu, it's a phone Aug 02 21:19:05 :> Aug 02 21:19:10 Hahah Aug 02 21:19:21 haha Aug 02 21:22:28 Oh dear ... Aug 02 21:22:41 The Media player on MeeGo looks a little like that which we have on Maemo :) Aug 02 21:23:28 oh shit Aug 02 21:23:53 I don't think they're going to be using mafw though Aug 02 21:23:58 Which is a shame, I really like mafw .. Aug 02 21:24:10 http://www.mafw.org/ mafw? Aug 02 21:24:29 O_O Aug 02 21:24:33 >.> Aug 02 21:30:43 Noticed the new kernel released today had "imrpoved brtfs" :) Aug 02 21:31:29 Does it not corrupt your fs when you run out of space yet? Aug 02 21:34:44 I like this new driver in the kernel release, through only for Atom, Core i3, i5 and i7: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=2671717265ae6e720a9ba5f13fbec3a718983b65 Aug 02 21:37:16 GAN900, ive made a note of the bug and will do what I can to chase it up Aug 02 21:44:01 derf: where the hell was that? Aug 02 21:44:43 #vorbis Aug 02 21:44:51 damn, gmail leaks memory like an alzheimer's patient on viagra Aug 02 21:45:16 why the viagra? :| Aug 02 21:45:27 leaking :P Aug 02 21:45:38 anyway, first time my gmail inbox is empty in over 9 months! Aug 02 21:45:40 viagra makes you lose memory? Aug 02 21:45:50 also select all->archive Aug 02 21:45:51 THERE Aug 02 21:46:01 kerio: nha, I have plenty of tags Aug 02 21:47:14 kerio: business, work, friends, bike, motorbike, writing, website, maemo, family, dontlikethisperson, etc Aug 02 21:47:31 receipts, hobbies, photography, other Aug 02 21:47:44 autotag Aug 02 21:49:27 lol, shutting down my ubuntu vm for the first time in over 2 years Aug 02 21:49:38 my hard drive is dying Aug 02 21:50:20 crashanddie: :'( Aug 02 21:51:42 I didn't mean litteraly, more like, it's suffering Aug 02 21:52:19 anyway, going upstairs, bbl Aug 02 21:53:45 * DocScrutinizer burps Aug 02 21:57:58 nite all, sweet dreams Aug 02 22:52:51 hello!i have 900!i recorded audio by ''recorder'' app and save it with name ''file''!since of first recorded,i recorded second audio and saved it with same name!''file''!in fact second audio recorded overwritten on the first audio recorded!now,i want my first audio!how to recover it?! Aug 02 22:55:02 anyone had any luck getting silverlight streaming to work on the n900? Aug 02 22:58:53 please help me!!? Aug 02 23:01:47 mkargar, if recovery apps didnt help do a dd of the umass device from a pc and give it to someone who knows how to find data on fat fses... Aug 02 23:02:13 and dont write anything else to the filesystem .. better put it readonly instantly Aug 02 23:02:23 that too Aug 02 23:02:26 hi, i've bought a new micro sd card and put it in my n900. i see it but order of cards is not correct. the internal one (30G+) is mmc1 and the external one (8G) is mmc0. however i see in dmesg that swap is set on mmc0p3 that is a non existing partition Aug 02 23:03:05 nedko: kernel numbers != userspace numbers Aug 02 23:03:42 except on alternative OSs Aug 02 23:03:48 nox-:what pc app is best for recovery? Aug 02 23:03:56 luke-jr: how this is achieved? Aug 02 23:04:01 recuva if you're using windows Aug 02 23:04:29 was it stored on card or internal memory? Aug 02 23:04:59 nedko, at some point they get renamed, the old names stick around in a few random places :( Aug 02 23:05:18 MohammadAG51:recuva is recovery app? Aug 02 23:05:48 anyways if it was really important i'd instantly pull the battery out (no clean shutdown) ... but if you dont know how to proceed or it was not *that* important just forget about it and safe the trouble Aug 02 23:05:54 yes Aug 02 23:05:58 There used to be issue where kernel gave them different names if you booted first without card and then added one, and other way around Aug 02 23:06:30 can the flasher make a image from the emmc too? Aug 02 23:06:36 well doing a dd of the device doesnt hurt, you can still decide later what to try on that Aug 02 23:06:46 MohammadAG51:ok!i test it! Aug 02 23:06:53 hmm, i see /lib/udev/mmc_id being used in udev ruleset Aug 02 23:07:01 nox-: there are so much apps writing to the flash and you dont really know whats going on Aug 02 23:07:21 prolly the recording is already destroyed :P Aug 02 23:07:22 cehteh, also the MyDocs fs? Aug 02 23:07:32 depends .. Aug 02 23:07:38 mm Aug 02 23:07:51 i dont know what apps he is using Aug 02 23:08:04 nedko, iostat and /proc/partitions disagree on mine iirc :) Aug 02 23:08:30 MohammadAG51:it supported n900? Aug 02 23:08:42 ShadowJK: but mount does agree Aug 02 23:08:46 umm, it supports mass storage devices Aug 02 23:08:57 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2747 Aug 02 23:08:58 Bug 2747: inconsistent mmc device naming at boot time when one card is missing Aug 02 23:09:22 mhm no flasher cant get an image out from the device .. but iirc there was some receipe how to do that Aug 02 23:09:41 MohammadAG51:ok!very thx!i test it! Aug 02 23:09:49 nedko, be very careful when tocuhing stuff so you dont do it on wrong card.. Aug 02 23:10:01 mkargar: in any case make a image from the flash first Aug 02 23:10:23 dont run a recovery app on the device flash Aug 02 23:10:48 true Aug 02 23:11:32 cehteh:your mean is backup? Aug 02 23:11:35 ShadowJK: i noticed this occasionally because i wanted to check if n900 has a way to read the speed class from the card Aug 02 23:11:37 if you have enough diskspace you make a image, a copy of that image and then work on this copy Aug 02 23:11:53 mkargar: dont use the backup app .. raw image copy Aug 02 23:12:08 tho depending on the recovery app it might do it readonly too Aug 02 23:12:15 I didn't know speed class was a readable property.. Aug 02 23:12:44 speed is: slow, regardless of class Aug 02 23:13:11 cehteh:how to i want give image from my n900? Aug 02 23:13:17 ShadowJK: i think you are wrong: http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/speed_class/ Aug 02 23:13:28 until they figure out how to squeeze in a proper FTL that can give IOPS measured in integer kIOPS ;p Aug 02 23:13:46 ShadowJK: mine has quite good speed. 11 MiB/s read and 16 MiB/s write Aug 02 23:13:47 mkargar: if you dont know, rip the battery out and give it to someone who knows Aug 02 23:14:07 you can do more harm than good with wrong recovery attempts Aug 02 23:15:09 nedko: those are uninteresting figures :) Aug 02 23:15:10 it still degrades to 100kbyte/s if you do any I/O pattern other than thay of a digital/video camera.. :) Aug 02 23:15:17 ShadowJK: IMO if something can record full hd video it is wrong to call it slow Aug 02 23:15:50 cehteh:ok!i want know how to give raw image from n900?is it dificult? Aug 02 23:16:25 well it's just that in my use I never see such an access pattern :P Aug 02 23:16:25 ShadowJK: i measured with a custom tool that writes and reads a single file sequentially, in direct IO mode Aug 02 23:16:25 especially not with a multitasking OS Aug 02 23:17:08 sequentially doesn't interest me much because it rarely happens :) Aug 02 23:17:14 (atleast in my use) Aug 02 23:17:33 ShadowJK: what you do with your flash cards? Aug 02 23:17:44 use them in n900 :P Aug 02 23:17:59 hmm update flasher was taking lots of cpu Aug 02 23:18:06 curious Aug 02 23:18:15 lcuk: last night's top gear was good Aug 02 23:18:15 when you copy/read files/backups it is quite sequential, even in with fs cache enabled... Aug 02 23:18:21 I moved the files with heaviest write activity to uSD to reduce stutter a bit Aug 02 23:18:28 didnt see crashanddie just been looking at some things Aug 02 23:18:36 ShadowJK, oh that helps? Aug 02 23:18:42 and noticed the flasher was making lots of noice Aug 02 23:18:54 All those apps with sqlite databases are pretty evil, fsync() all the time Aug 02 23:19:03 i am going to backup and clean my SMS messages - which database do I move? Aug 02 23:19:14 and where can I get a blank from Aug 02 23:19:26 anyone else is having problems accessing maemo.org? Aug 02 23:19:28 i have every message in there and keep message windows open Aug 02 23:19:32 from the day i got the device Aug 02 23:19:55 i want to see how much of an effect clearing the db will cause Aug 02 23:20:02 MohammadAG51, if you find the right stuff so that you get load spread around a bit Aug 02 23:20:28 I think swap on uSD helps the most though.. the bigger the better Aug 02 23:20:49 lcuk: /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db Aug 02 23:20:54 (and swap on uSD at higher priority than emmc swap, of course) Aug 02 23:21:04 I am getting network error Aug 02 23:21:05 ta crashanddie Aug 02 23:21:26 * lcuk does a full backup and then selects clear conversations from the menu first to see Aug 02 23:21:36 if i need to restore I will just get from backup Aug 02 23:21:36 lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51090 if you want some quick pointers about the python interface Aug 02 23:21:43 * lcuk tries it as a user first Aug 02 23:22:14 i will just peek into the el database and get some stats though if it has a noticable effect Aug 02 23:22:30 i recall on older phones eventually having to clear sms list Aug 02 23:22:37 and now, i talk to tracy so often on it Aug 02 23:22:56 yeah, I have tons of sms messages Aug 02 23:23:03 still loads pretty quickly though Aug 02 23:23:12 I also moved ~/.config/gpodder/ to uSD.. the sqlite database updates when downloading, 500kbyte/s to MyDocs, and constant 100kByte/s of swapping easily caused 1 second hangs/stalls on my device. After the move, only gpodder hangs itself while it's waiting on the sqlite crap to push its evil to the card :) Aug 02 23:23:12 i have all our conversations from months ago Aug 02 23:23:14 I think the display is actually quite smart Aug 02 23:23:15 sure Aug 02 23:23:17 ShadowJK, so a uSD is faster than the eMMC? Aug 02 23:23:17 it has everything Aug 02 23:23:24 but i keep the tracy window open most of the time Aug 02 23:23:28 MohammadAG51, it'a not about that Aug 02 23:23:29 lcuk: same here Aug 02 23:23:35 lcuk: well, not tracy, obviously. Aug 02 23:23:39 heh Aug 02 23:23:49 raid0 between uSD and emmc :) Aug 02 23:24:30 cehteh, amplifies the suck Aug 02 23:24:30 i had one conversation with ~5000 messages, and it got noticeably quicker to open that particular conversation when i emptied it Aug 02 23:24:47 Writing to emmc/sd is like writing to a tape drive. If it's not sequential you're in for a world of hurt. Aug 02 23:24:53 ShadowJK: but you can then install gentoo on the n900 Aug 02 23:25:10 50 bucks on ShadowJK ;-P Aug 02 23:25:30 i'd rather pay infobot Aug 02 23:25:34 infobot, $50 Aug 02 23:25:36 * infobot takes the cash and sucks mohammadag51 off Aug 02 23:25:42 LOL Aug 02 23:25:47 rotfl Aug 02 23:25:50 haha Aug 02 23:26:00 ~botsnack Aug 02 23:26:01 :), DocScrutinizer Aug 02 23:26:46 *gasp* Aug 02 23:26:55 btw is there something like a factoids listing for that bot somewhere? Aug 02 23:26:58 "A New Jersey man was jailed for up to three months on Friday for making himself vomit on a fellow spectator at a baseball game, the Philadelphia district attorney's office said" Aug 02 23:27:19 infobot, $100 Aug 02 23:27:21 * infobot gives mohammadag51 full service! Aug 02 23:27:25 ~listkeys meamo Aug 02 23:27:28 Factoid search of 'meamo' by key returned no results. Aug 02 23:27:40 ~listkeys maemo Aug 02 23:27:43 Factoid search of 'maemo' by key (18 of 19): maemo-dev ;; maemo-lists ;; maemo-qt ;; maemo-version ;; #maemo #DEL# ;; maemo-obsolete ;; maemosdk ;; maemo-man ;; xchat-maemo ;; mxr.maemo.org deb ;; maemo-sdk ;; /.maemo-mapper/paths.db ;; mxr.maemo.org ;; maemo ;; maemo-logs ;; maemo-packaging ;; maemo-brand ;; maemoclone. Aug 02 23:27:46 "Britain is to ban employers looking for lap dancers, strippers, topless barmaids or sexy web-cam performers from placing adverts at Jobcentres." (Job centre = government-powered job ads) Aug 02 23:28:16 why? Aug 02 23:28:23 infobot, maemo Aug 02 23:28:25 i heard maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml Aug 02 23:28:53 ~listvalues maemo Aug 02 23:28:59 Factoid search of 'maemo' by value (20 of 91): accelerometer ;; anidel ;; bluetooth-pan ;; bme ;; boot-sd ;; categories ;; dimming ;; extras ;; extras-upload ;; flash-partitioning ;; flashing ;; free ;; maemo ;; maemo-brand ;; maemo-man ;; maemo-obsolete ;; maemo-packaging ;; maemosdk ;; meego-obsolete ;; microb. Aug 02 23:28:59 ptl: "We shouldn't put vulnerable people in an environment where they're exposed to these types of jobs and could feel under pressure to work in the sex industry." Aug 02 23:29:13 ~bme Aug 02 23:29:13 methinks bme is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_BME Aug 02 23:29:32 crashanddie: oh. the same old excuses. Aug 02 23:29:38 ptl: watch out, next they'll ban porn off the internet, because "they shouldn't put vulnerable people in an environment where they're exposed to these type of videos and could feel under pressure to wank off" Aug 02 23:30:10 crashanddie: steve jobs already banned it from apple devices, it seems Aug 02 23:30:23 how is that related? Aug 02 23:30:25 nox-: there's no complete dump of factoid db available, allegedly for privacy reasons Aug 02 23:30:33 hm ok Aug 02 23:30:49 Apple is a corporation, they can do whatever they want. Very different from a government/country with a constitution Aug 02 23:31:03 it shows a trend. Aug 02 23:31:09 oh piss off Aug 02 23:31:16 ~more DocScrutinizer Aug 02 23:31:22 eww .. who changed the background in fapman? Aug 02 23:31:37 white text on white background ... genius Aug 02 23:31:44 ~listvalues maemo Aug 02 23:31:45 Factoid search of 'maemo' by value returned no results. Aug 02 23:31:49 why the fuck are people so anal and retarded when it comes to Apple. Seriously, just let it be if they bother you. Aug 02 23:31:53 huh Aug 02 23:32:05 wtf Aug 02 23:32:07 ~listvalues maemo Aug 02 23:32:08 because it harms society? Aug 02 23:32:09 Factoid search of 'maemo' by value returned no results. Aug 02 23:32:11 ~status Aug 02 23:32:11 Since Sat Jul 31 16:07:20 2010, there have been 7 modifications, 105 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 50 commands. I have been awake for 2d 7h 24m 51s this session, and currently reference 0 factoids. I'm using about 21708 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 4767.15/155.99 child 0/0.02 Aug 02 23:32:13 lol Aug 02 23:32:13 ~listfamilyvalues Aug 02 23:32:28 omg, now we witnessed it live Aug 02 23:32:31 ptl: banning porn harms society? Aug 02 23:32:46 bot has alzheimer's? Aug 02 23:32:52 yep Aug 02 23:33:00 oh dear... Aug 02 23:33:02 :) Aug 02 23:33:32 WTF Aug 02 23:33:35 crashanddie: in an indirect way, yes, but the effects are complex and it is usually part of something greater. Aug 02 23:34:02 "Microsoft today said that it will not sell upgrades for the upcoming Office for Mac 2011, mimicking the move it made earlier this year when it ditched upgrades for the Windows Office 2010. The new suite's lowest-priced edition will also lack a dedicated e-mail client, another decision copied from Windows." Aug 02 23:35:52 They could do it like with windows itself, make upgrade more expensive ;p Aug 02 23:36:33 anyway, I'm out. Later Aug 02 23:42:56 Phone fully restored, its just downloading and restoring all my apps from the repos Aug 02 23:43:01 brilliant Aug 02 23:43:45 The built in backup app is epic :D Aug 02 23:45:21 rsync is epic Aug 02 23:45:46 Finally - getting to starting to do more on packagetesting, and editing hardware pages to make them better, and I find that I've got to start underpinning/shoring bits of my house, as fucking rats have dug a massive hole under one corner. Aug 02 23:45:53 * SpeedEvil sighs. Aug 02 23:47:02 ~nuke mysql Aug 02 23:47:39 Aug 02 23:48:26 SpeedEvil: rats! Aug 02 23:50:30 Sorry to the developer, and I will post a bugzilla report, or contact him, but screw BackupMenu for bricking my phone. Aug 02 23:51:10 I made backup images of rootfs and opt with it, then tried to restore them using the same app, and it bricked. Aug 02 23:51:58 :/ Aug 02 23:52:06 :( Aug 02 23:52:29 technomike: which repo? Aug 02 23:53:45 To be fair, I am pretty sure its the Extras-Devel so its pretty acceptable. I took the responsibility and chance when I downloaded it from there I suppose. Aug 02 23:54:07 not suppose, you're not even allowed to complain Aug 02 23:54:18 Exactly Aug 02 23:54:30 So its fair enough Aug 02 23:54:34 :) Aug 02 23:54:41 anyway, off to bed Aug 02 23:54:43 ttfn Aug 02 23:54:49 nn :) Aug 03 00:00:56 umm... Why has my vkbd gone blue Aug 03 00:11:12 hmm. 'dorian' - new ebook reader with kinetic goodness. Aug 03 00:12:29 Though no volume button scroll Aug 03 00:16:32 ~status Aug 03 00:16:33 Since Tue Aug 3 00:01:18 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 15m 14s this session, and currently reference 117189 factoids. I'm using about 16096 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 38.6/2.01 child 0.02/0.03 Aug 03 00:17:06 was the bug with ~more ? Aug 03 00:17:28 ~coin Aug 03 00:17:30 somebody said coin was flipped... heads or tails? Aug 03 00:17:42 ~heads Aug 03 00:18:12 ~listvalues maemo Aug 03 00:18:15 Factoid search of 'maemo' by value (20 of 91): bluetooth-profiles ;; boot-messages ;; capture-root ;; categories ;; closed ;; dneary ;; extras ;; extras-uploading ;; flash-partitioning ;; flashing ;; hostmode ;; jebbadbus ;; maemo ;; maemo-brand ;; maemo-dev ;; maemo-logs ;; maemo-packaging ;; maemo-sdk ;; mer ;; mwkn. Aug 03 00:18:19 ~more Aug 03 00:18:21 from memory, more is Displays the contents of the named files, one screenful at a time. Syntax: more (file1) (file2) ...(fileN). Where file1 through fileN are the files to display. Example: more papers/history-final displays the file papers/history-final. Aug 03 00:18:27 ~lart nox- Aug 03 00:18:27 * infobot keeps mailing nox- free America Online CDs until he drowns Aug 03 00:18:28 SpeedEvil: dorian looks interesting Aug 03 00:19:15 haha other bots use more to list the next `page' of a factiod etc Aug 03 00:20:00 Can anyone look up logs for earlier today, and see what pastebin I pasted on the topic of the FM receiver? Aug 03 00:20:01 and more username is then the next page from what another user asked Aug 03 00:20:55 (and i just thought _that_ kind of more triggered the bug) Aug 03 00:21:53 But now I have learnt that the built in backup tool is all I need! Its really cool how it restores the apps etc. I didn't think it did that, so thats why I thought I needed BackupMenu to make backup images, then keep them safe on my PC HDD just incase I needed in future for quick direct recovery. Aug 03 00:21:55 lol SpeedEvil Aug 03 00:21:59 meant to send that before Aug 03 00:22:02 SpeedEvil - http://pastebin.com/QzkZ7tEg Aug 03 00:22:03 not the normal one for my own factoid (which doesnt work with this bot as i now know) Aug 03 00:22:27 thanks Aug 03 00:23:13 oh /dev/radio0 is the transmitter not the receiver? Aug 03 00:23:18 whats the receiver then? Aug 03 00:23:48 I wonder why the reciever was not on the features anyway as default Aug 03 00:24:02 Since the N900 has FM Recieving capability Aug 03 00:24:11 yes Aug 03 00:24:39 i think its part of the bt chip? Aug 03 00:24:53 Yeah Aug 03 00:24:58 but i didnt know it was another device then... Aug 03 00:25:05 oh :o Aug 03 00:25:09 Same here Aug 03 00:25:43 until seeing the pastebin Aug 03 00:26:02 wait thats for the transmitter Aug 03 00:26:08 yeah Aug 03 00:26:25 My mistake Aug 03 00:43:04 nox-: The bug isn't reproducible Aug 03 00:43:16 ah Aug 03 00:43:33 something odd with the factoid db Aug 03 00:43:39 (ms) Aug 03 00:43:55 aka MySQL I guess Aug 03 00:44:09 whats this bot's equivalent of other's `more'? Aug 03 00:44:18 none known Aug 03 00:44:24 .oO(windows was never made to be a server...) Aug 03 00:44:43 db(ms) Aug 03 00:44:44 oh mysql not mssql Aug 03 00:45:04 well pgsql > mysql too :) Aug 03 00:46:08 anyway we've seen that lobotomy several times now Aug 03 00:46:23 switch to another bot? :) Aug 03 00:46:40 I like the factoid database Aug 03 00:46:43 :-S Aug 03 00:46:54 cant it be exported/imported? Aug 03 00:47:12 [2010-08-03 01:30:24] nox-: there's no complete dump of factoid db available, allegedly for privacy reasons Aug 03 00:47:28 yeah ok by whoever runs the bot Aug 03 00:47:32 I asked TimRiker about it Aug 03 00:47:43 tim does Aug 03 00:47:49 ok Aug 03 00:48:54 I'm not exactly sure about the nature of his concerns, but he said "maybe eventually, after I cleaned it up" Aug 03 00:49:01 OWTTE Aug 03 00:50:13 and then there's: Aug 03 00:50:16 ~chaninfo Aug 03 00:50:17 I'm on 106 channels: #debian/894, #maemo/479, #meego/376, #kde/318, #gsoc/221, #asterisk/221, #wowuidev/164, #wowace/158, #openmoko/147, #htc-linux/145, #oe/142, #wowhead/129, #webos-internals/117, #sc2mapster/111, #openmoko-cdevel/95, #utah/63, #bzflag/57, #curseforge/56, #wowwiki/50, #asterisk-dev/48, #edev/47, #slug/47, #tomcat/46, #uclibc/43, #gllug/37, #elinux/36, #uphpu/32, #utos/31, #norganna/31, #/27, #asterisk-bugs/26, #brlcad/25, #storm/24, ... Aug 03 00:50:17 i've cached 4919 users, 3538 unique users, distributed over 106 channels. Aug 03 00:50:39 is there an upcoming meego nokia tablet similar to n900 to be released soon? this year Aug 03 00:50:39 which occasionally comes in handy Aug 03 00:50:44 wow Aug 03 00:50:46 or its just gossips Aug 03 00:51:10 ~seen mickeyl Aug 03 00:51:12 mickeyl is currently on #webos-internals #htc-linux #oe #openmoko #openezx #openmoko-cdevel, last said: 'hmm, ok, when my dream frustration is lower, then i'll try again'. Aug 03 00:52:31 I wonder if nokia announced anything about a new meego tablet Aug 03 01:04:04 check the nokia conversations blog Aug 03 01:04:35 it's more of a monologue than conversations, actually Aug 03 01:04:44 everybody knows Nokia listens to nobody. Aug 03 01:09:56 so hate that their two new phones N8 and C6 are symbian according to nokia.com specification Aug 03 01:11:15 ptl: and you 'know' this how? Aug 03 01:12:18 by trying to contact Nokia multiple times about the problems in my N900, about updates and such, by reading thousands of testimonials in talk.maemo.org, by reading all nokia press releases concerning the N900...??? Aug 03 01:12:32 come on. Don't be bling. Aug 03 01:12:34 *blind Aug 03 01:14:17 that doesnt mean people in Nokia doesnt listen Aug 03 01:14:48 nokia isnt just one big blob. Aug 03 01:18:32 What about 'they listen, but don't respond or do not care' Aug 03 01:18:58 listen to *what* Aug 03 01:22:34 tbh for 99.9% of rant and noise out there I'd not even know of any possible answer Aug 03 01:24:28 btw is there a simple command for (re)connect to wifi? Aug 03 01:24:32 t.m.o "overclocking-the-n900?" thread: ~5000 posts Aug 03 01:24:49 re or connect? Aug 03 01:24:53 both Aug 03 01:25:06 sometimes the connection drops Aug 03 01:25:13 or the ap was off Aug 03 01:25:34 mine does that on a 5min schedule Aug 03 01:25:42 yeah if i want it quicker Aug 03 01:25:44 :) Aug 03 01:25:49 it should know the AP is off within seconds Aug 03 01:26:06 open connections, tap on the one you want to be used Aug 03 01:26:24 connections hmm Aug 03 01:26:29 morning Aug 03 01:26:38 moaning Aug 03 01:27:15 I think my life went to an all time low last night Aug 03 01:27:16 moin TermanaN900 Aug 03 01:27:31 I had a dream about #maemo AND bash.org Aug 03 01:27:51 eh Aug 03 01:27:54 yayayay Aug 03 01:28:49 dreaming about t.m.o would be worse Aug 03 01:30:06 a whole lan party on vista posting usual posts to t.m.o - ugh Aug 03 01:34:05 hm i really only seem to have a connections entry in settings not in the main menu... Aug 03 01:34:07 DocScrutinizer, very lucky it wasnt tmo - I have a fear of troll faces! :P Aug 03 01:35:41 is this maybe different with german locale? Aug 03 01:37:55 nox-, on the n900? Aug 03 01:38:00 yeah Aug 03 01:38:21 nox-, main menu as in where all app icons etc. are? Aug 03 01:38:26 yeah Aug 03 01:38:31 i dont have a connections item there either Aug 03 01:38:44 ah so where is it? Aug 03 01:39:26 nox-, i can get to it from settings or by pressing the notification area Aug 03 01:40:12 err... maybe not the notification area thats just to connect i think Aug 03 01:40:28 well the one from settings only seems to connect when something like the browser is already running Aug 03 01:40:43 but sometimes i want wifi to just use it from the shell... Aug 03 01:41:33 nox-, you can connect to a chosen network by pressing the notification area and then press internet connection Aug 03 01:42:03 list of available connections will come up Aug 03 01:43:47 wheres that, bottom? top? neither seems to pop such a menu up for me Aug 03 01:45:08 ooh found it Aug 03 01:45:11 thx :) Aug 03 01:45:26 no problem ;P Aug 03 01:54:51 gah. does anyone else experience the n900 3G data connection dropping off for no reason (in full 3G signal)? Aug 03 01:55:02 I do Aug 03 01:55:06 especially when I drive out of range Aug 03 01:55:11 <.< Aug 03 01:55:32 TermanaN900: pretty normal here if I use Optus and on a voip call, doesn't happen with another carrier Aug 03 01:57:05 asj, heh i've got a dodo 3G internet sim in. Besides dodos bad track record, their 3G runs on Optus' network Aug 03 01:58:00 But i just put it in my pocket, connected to data and on IRC (here :P), pull it out a few seconds later and the connection has gone dead Aug 03 01:58:33 anyone know how to get ofono working? Aug 03 01:59:11 luke-jr, in maemo? install it and then /etc/init.d/ofono start Aug 03 02:01:26 TermanaN900: Maemo-free Aug 03 02:01:40 don't need oFono in Maemo **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 03 02:59:56 2010