**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 05 02:59:57 2010 Aug 05 02:59:59 the high-end multifunction device should make your camera, GPS, laptop, and phone obsolete garbage. Aug 05 03:01:00 guys Aug 05 03:01:07 what are the top 5 apps to install Aug 05 03:01:09 on the n900 Aug 05 03:01:38 the list aint big but there are so many bad apps that i need to know the quality ones P Aug 05 03:02:19 ipython :D Aug 05 03:02:57 ZogG: and I thought you were referring mostly to hardware because of the "cool device ... not using full potential" part. I thought you meant like there's some hidden or unused part of the hardware that hasn't been utilized but is actually there (N810 anyone?) Aug 05 03:03:06 pleeeease ask me to kick somebody! Aug 05 03:03:46 DocScrutinizer, i can smell it from here Aug 05 03:03:49 * Jucato will keep quiet now Aug 05 03:05:04 DocScrutinizer, kick me Aug 05 03:05:08 "I installed fapman from extras-devel(!!) - meh culdnt bother to read warnings. FOKI FONE now dos not work like I want it. CRAP! will throw it into toilet" Aug 05 03:05:15 * DocScrutinizer facepalms Aug 05 03:05:41 maybe should be renamed to extras-pleasereadwarningsfirst-devel? Aug 05 03:06:14 otther than the warning you click through for every package? :) Aug 05 03:06:28 no, if your stupid enough not to read warnings without being told 100 times, you deserve what you get Aug 05 03:06:30 * mortini blames DocScrutinizer. Aug 05 03:06:36 & TermanaN900. Aug 05 03:06:36 go back to tmo wnkers, where you belong Aug 05 03:07:19 u know what Aug 05 03:07:29 the n900 should have a warning on the box Aug 05 03:07:40 extremely buggy phone Aug 05 03:07:54 * Jucato runs for cover Aug 05 03:08:06 :/ Aug 05 03:08:45 k thx bye Aug 05 03:09:32 What a dumbarse. Did he not read the warning on the box - "we:recycle" - HORRIBLE Aug 05 03:10:10 imo, one of the issues with phones, in general is this long-running idea that the phhone companies want you to upgrade every 9 months. Aug 05 03:10:14 hi guys, i'm planning to grab a N900, but i'm wondering whats the PIM app is called .. wanna look at its API .. Aug 05 03:10:24 its not pimlico right ? Aug 05 03:15:36 mortini I wonder why don't they learn from desktop/ laptop makers.. you don't have to upgrade that every 9 months Aug 05 03:15:54 ie: not in their model. Aug 05 03:16:06 especially for phones sold for over 500 dollars Aug 05 03:16:08 ie: have you seen the movie 'Goodfellas'? Aug 05 03:16:22 phones have *always* ben over 500 dollars Aug 05 03:16:36 it's just over the past few years said phones have one from being toasters to being something actually useful. Aug 05 03:18:22 mortini few, compared to the low-tech phones market share Aug 05 03:20:54 KageSenshi: N900 has no particularly good PIM. Aug 05 03:21:03 at least mot ootb Aug 05 03:21:10 ie: anyways, in the movie 'goodfellas', there's a scene where they talk about mobsters rolling in stolen goods into the back of abar, only to sell them in the front of the bar at whatever prices Aug 05 03:21:28 but, there's the protection price to pay, which is referred to as 'f you, pay me' Aug 05 03:21:47 'the place burns down?' 'f you. pay me' Aug 05 03:21:56 'x happens?' 'f you. pay me.' Aug 05 03:22:05 this is the model that the telcos have largely adopted. Aug 05 03:23:35 DocScrutinizer51, yeah, thats why i'm wondering whats the name/API doc coz wanna look at what I might able to do with it :P Aug 05 03:24:13 mortini In october 2009, I googled n800 - n810 released dates.. thats when I decided not to get an n900 lol Aug 05 03:24:21 get the manual - it's somewheree in the internets Aug 05 03:25:00 KageSenshi: the 'pim' has no decent website with screenshots and shit Aug 05 03:25:00 mortini and only months later, meego was announced Aug 05 03:25:22 still looking around for it .. i found the wiki, but not sure which is the PIM .. Aug 05 03:25:31 yeah .. no decent website for it :( Aug 05 03:27:52 i think this is it .. http://maemo.gitorious.org/calendar-backend .. Aug 05 03:27:54 KageSenshi: but if you're wondering if the 'pim' that comes with bare bones maemo is good enough for you to buy the 'phone' - well then the N900 probably isn't the device for you anyway. Go check http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ and see if that's of any appeal for you. If not then please look for a better phone matching your usage profile Aug 05 03:28:15 mortini seems like they're taking more than I expected for a meego qwerty cellphone Aug 05 03:28:33 I feel like creating a meego witnesses campaign Aug 05 03:29:41 DocScrutinizer, nope, mainly wondering what i can hack around with the PIM data :-) .. Aug 05 03:30:05 n900 is a superb geek phone Aug 05 03:30:06 KageSenshi: there's no such thing like a 'pim' on maemo. Only thing it got is calendar, contacts, dialer, notes, dialogs, a few todo apps of second source Aug 05 03:30:06 lol Aug 05 03:30:08 ... Aug 05 03:30:19 ok Aug 05 03:30:58 thanks Aug 05 03:31:00 :) Aug 05 03:31:44 contacts (and calendar) databease is not for direct access, but there are libraries with documented API to deal with those tables Aug 05 03:32:54 issit in EDS? Aug 05 03:32:57 for hacking see for example http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55018 Aug 05 03:33:08 thanks Aug 05 03:33:09 :) Aug 05 04:26:05 DocScrutinizer, not in python Aug 05 04:27:02 DocScrutinizer, there isn't any py binding for this api Aug 05 04:36:04 Khertan: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-02.log.html#t2010-08-02T20:05:23 Aug 05 04:39:53 DocScrutinizer, yep python have abook module for contacts Aug 05 04:40:01 but nothing for calendardb Aug 05 04:40:26 aah, k :-S Aug 05 04:40:33 but the contact modules doesn't have all the c libs feature Aug 05 04:40:39 which make it pretty useless :) Aug 05 04:41:11 bah Aug 05 04:41:22 this is why i read directly the db ;) Aug 05 04:42:02 reading *might* work Aug 05 04:42:32 yep ... writing is a bit hazardous Aug 05 04:42:37 lol Aug 05 04:42:41 yeah Aug 05 04:43:03 * Khertan didn't understand how developpers can found faster to make ui with QtDesigner than doing it in code ... Aug 05 04:43:43 ?? Aug 05 04:43:45 10 min to made a completly fucked ui ... and was rewritted in less than 4 min in python Aug 05 04:43:53 found designer rather comfy Aug 05 04:44:10 i like glade ... but not designer Aug 05 04:44:33 i think i didn't understand well the philosophy behind Aug 05 04:44:56 maybe Aug 05 04:45:39 it's like very weird CAD Aug 05 04:46:29 actually by meaning of word it *is* CAD Aug 05 04:48:56 ooh wait, you're talking about pyDesigner? Aug 05 04:49:56 no no ... just QtDesigner Aug 05 04:50:02 there is a pyDesigner ? Aug 05 04:50:21 currently i'm fighting with it to put a QPushButton in the toolbar Aug 05 04:50:32 heard that, first time in my life, maybe yesterday, or day before Aug 05 04:51:09 umm, maybe that's not what toolbar is supposed to accept? Aug 05 04:51:43 nfc really Aug 05 04:52:15 DocScrutinizer, it should Aug 05 04:52:16 but could imagine in toolbar you got other widgets, not exactly QPushButton Aug 05 04:52:53 DocScrutinizer, all widget i try to add in the toolbar go to the centralWidgte Aug 05 04:53:08 hmm Aug 05 04:53:42 in python it s just an toolbar.addWidget(mywidget) Aug 05 04:54:01 yeah I seem to remember it's a bit icky to activate the right widget to modify it Aug 05 04:54:07 where one line before : mywidget = QPushButton("Designer isn't easy to use") Aug 05 04:54:33 sure sure Aug 05 04:55:40 but that's just "what's all those fckng keys on that thing... what's the name - PC? Nah I'll use my slideruler, much simpler" Aug 05 04:55:44 ok i think i ll abandon hope to use designer Aug 05 04:56:49 why using a tools if you doesn't help you, and will not, will contrain you in future to use it again or redo everything differently Aug 05 04:56:57 make me you losing time Aug 05 04:57:16 s/me Aug 05 04:57:17 on GUIs of any complexity beyond 5 radiobuttons in a window you go insane with spacing and whatnot, when coding directly Aug 05 04:58:08 hum ... i you aren't coding like monkey ... it should but not insane ! Aug 05 04:58:18 designer is kinda WYSIWYG Aug 05 04:59:04 hum ... Aug 05 04:59:19 i ll not call that wysiwyg Aug 05 04:59:33 * DocScrutinizer fires up qtdesigner for the laughs and giggles Aug 05 05:00:48 while on the topic of Qt (not exactly designer though), has anyone managed to get phonon working on Diablo? (yeah, legacy version ... :( ) Aug 05 05:01:03 must go on ... bye Aug 05 05:01:18 Jucato, sorry my n810 batt died ... could not try Aug 05 05:01:45 thanks. even a simple Phonon::createPlayer(...) player->play() doesnt work ... Aug 05 05:11:39 * slonopotamus reads through "Open letter of support for Python on the Maemo/MeeGo platform" and really wishes there was no python on them. on the other hand, why put foss stuff in ovi at all? Aug 05 05:15:13 * RST38h wishes someone finally fixes Python base packages to avoid making a total mess of the fstab Aug 05 05:16:40 err... my n900 says it has charger plugged in though it doesn't Aug 05 05:20:33 wireless charging, alright! Aug 05 05:36:46 * luke-jr has a Bluetooth charger Aug 05 05:37:08 * swc|666 has a tesla coil charger Aug 05 05:37:26 I like Bluetooth charger better Aug 05 05:37:28 :P Aug 05 05:37:39 lol Aug 05 05:37:46 less radiation Aug 05 05:39:25 yeah well I have a GENUINE flux capacitor Aug 05 05:39:27 :P Aug 05 05:41:58 if ARM can get their efficiency some magnitudes better, solar power might work ☺ Aug 05 05:44:10 during the day Aug 05 05:44:22 if you hold it just right Aug 05 06:03:37 budfive: at that point, the battery should have no problem covering overnight ;) Aug 05 06:04:54 nice. I just noticed my N85 has the same internal battery as my N800....maybe I'll buy a solder iron, and swap batteries (but the solder iron I want, costs over $60, and I don't want to spend that much on it) Aug 05 06:07:35 ello ello Aug 05 06:07:50 mece, 你好 你好 :P Aug 05 06:15:33 WormFood: eh? Aug 05 06:16:02 WormFood: why? Aug 05 06:18:23 hey guys. a thing im very annoyed about: is it possible to mute the vibration and sound of incoming im message for lets say 1 minute after first notification? Aug 05 06:19:01 when im in a meeting and someone sends me 3 bars one after another it goes toktoktoktoktoktoktok... Aug 05 06:33:18 steinex: there are some applications that can gives you custom profiles I think, have you tried those? Aug 05 06:36:29 Morning everyone. Aug 05 06:39:12 D-Iivil_Work: moro Aug 05 06:45:38 will do, thanks Aug 05 06:45:55 another issue: my virtual keyboard is gone Aug 05 06:46:15 tried disabling and reenabling, rebooting, nothing helped Aug 05 06:46:27 anyone seen this before? Aug 05 06:47:03 steinex: I've never enabled my virtual keyboard. Have no idea what it even looks like or how you use it, so no, I haven't. My N900 came with a hw keyboard :) Aug 05 06:48:24 steinex, but I remember reading something about virtual keyboard issues. Can't remember what the issue was though. search tmo. Aug 05 06:48:42 steinex, some themes may cause issues I hear. Aug 05 06:54:21 o.O Aug 05 06:54:22 O.o Aug 05 06:54:28 O_O Aug 05 06:54:34 * IzZy-Bby frowns and leaves Aug 05 06:55:00 mece, is your last name Wikstrm? Aug 05 06:55:12 mece, (just looked your user info) Aug 05 07:03:14 rain \o/ Aug 05 07:10:44 * toggles_w kicks frals Aug 05 07:11:35 * frals trouts toggles_w Aug 05 07:13:03 rain is bad for fun Aug 05 07:13:08 unless you are a duck Aug 05 07:15:42 D-Iivil_Work: yes it is, sorry was afk. Aug 05 07:16:20 D-Iivil_Work: how so? Do we know eachother? Aug 05 07:16:38 mece, are you relateive to Ann Wikstrm or Martin Wikstrm? Aug 05 07:16:42 mece, relative... Aug 05 07:16:58 D-Iivil_Work: martin is my brother. If it's the same one. Aug 05 07:17:09 mece, well.. depends on how old you are :D Aug 05 07:17:19 D-Iivil_Work: tall funny guy :) Martin is 27 Aug 05 07:17:28 mece, okay, then nevermind. Aug 05 07:17:38 mece, just thought if you were relative to my boss :P Aug 05 07:18:08 D-Iivil_Work: Hee :) But you're a musician from uusimaa, so perhaps you know J-P Salokangas? Aug 05 07:19:08 mece, hmm.. sounds familiar... is his band something called wood.. or something similiar to that? Aug 05 07:20:28 D-Iivil_Work: Silkwood, they don't exist anymore though. Aug 05 07:20:43 mece, then I have met the guy, but don't really know. Aug 05 07:21:23 D-Iivil_Work: Check this one out if you're interested: http://www.serenedecay.fi/ Aug 05 07:22:06 checking.. Aug 05 07:23:35 mece, sounds well produced and played, but not my cup of tee in terms of genre / style. Aug 05 07:24:19 mece, I'm more into high & loud ;) Aug 05 07:25:51 Yeah, one of my 2 new pres! http://www.ukkohapponen.fi/media/Galleriat/Soolohommat/Sataman%20Helmi%2027.-29.7.2010/06%20gap%20pre.JPG Aug 05 07:26:14 Ups, wrong forum... Aug 05 07:26:27 Finnish, nice :P Aug 05 07:26:47 Finnish, Golden Age? Aug 05 07:27:01 YEah, Golden Age Project Aug 05 07:27:20 Finnish, was it expensive? Aug 05 07:27:42 A bit under 300€ per piece, I bought two of those Aug 05 07:28:05 Finnish, that's reasonable :) Aug 05 07:28:54 Can't wait to use those ladys in a real session! I bought also a tube ribbon mic, also Golden Age Aug 05 07:29:14 Finnish, I heard it's pretty good all-around-preamp for about everything (not just vocals). Aug 05 07:30:35 Yeah me too, that's why I bought. And what I've read in Gearslutz some compare it to 10x expensive pres in a very positive way. Aug 05 07:31:53 Finnish, yeah. Aug 05 07:33:01 Ok, gotta go to studio to install audio software after reinstall and maybe I have the time to test properly my new hardware. Aug 05 07:41:48 someone wants modest 3.4.8? Aug 05 07:44:36 hrw, what's nice in it? Aug 05 07:45:08 is it faster/ Aug 05 07:46:14 faster Aug 05 07:46:26 hrw, I could give it a try. Where to grab it? Aug 05 07:47:23 I will apply few more patches and will provide repo Aug 05 07:48:33 hrw, please do that and also provide some sort of changelog / fixlist :) Aug 05 07:49:00 dpkg-buildpackage: source version 3.4.8-hrw1 Aug 05 07:49:17 will announce in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41204 Aug 05 07:49:52 building modest in maemovm takes a bit of time Aug 05 07:50:10 hrw, thx Aug 05 08:00:18 and then need to check does 3.4.8 works properly. I know that 3.4.2 works fine Aug 05 08:04:46 ok after i give up in connecting any wlan printer, when will flash 10.1 be ready for maemo, and dont tell me its not going to be ported Aug 05 08:04:49 :| Aug 05 08:05:09 ghostcube: ask adobe? Aug 05 08:05:21 why should i its released from adobe Aug 05 08:05:33 but n900 can run 10.1 flash even today. you just need to boot android Aug 05 08:05:42 ghostcube: adobe writes flash plugin Aug 05 08:06:06 since when does adobe implement the flash packages to n900 Aug 05 08:06:33 mobile 10.1 is released so what are you trying to tell me Aug 05 08:06:37 since ever? Aug 05 08:06:50 flash is adobe product Aug 05 08:07:13 sure but what does this have to do with my question aboove Aug 05 08:07:26 iam not retarded guy i knew what adobe does Aug 05 08:08:22 so what you do not understand? Aug 05 08:09:07 nokia is managing maemo port of flash Aug 05 08:09:12 and they don't care about flash Aug 05 08:09:15 nobody cares about flash Aug 05 08:10:08 woah gets time to not care about nokia i think Aug 05 08:10:14 grml Aug 05 08:10:21 jacekowski: nokia is managing maemo port yes. but without new source drop from adobe they will not move to newer ver anyway Aug 05 08:10:40 well, they everything required to do port Aug 05 08:11:28 shit. modest 3.4.8 crashes often Aug 05 08:27:27 DocScrutinizer: clearly, we need to replace the kbd matrix Aug 05 08:27:39 also good job Aug 05 08:28:02 i'd give you karma on tmo but i can't be arsed joining that crap Aug 05 08:28:33 no, you are looking for non existient problem Aug 05 08:30:46 is there a way to switch layouts like in the russian language? Aug 05 08:31:25 i mean, will the ui realize that the layout i chose has 8 levels instead of 4 or do i have to move to a fake russian layout? Aug 05 08:37:53 does anyone where are the IM logs stored on the n900? Aug 05 08:39:10 ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el*.db Aug 05 08:39:59 thanks Aug 05 08:53:06 * kirma has too much time on vacation and takes a too long look at talk.maemo.org Aug 05 08:53:28 echo 127.0.0.1 talk.maemo.org > /etc/hosts Aug 05 08:53:29 I wonder where the great burning interest and time of the trolls originate... Aug 05 08:53:30 er, >> Aug 05 08:56:57 kirma: virginity, mostly Aug 05 08:59:02 I sort of understand even most manners of apple fanboyism better than this "product I purchased (as I didn't know what I want) is crap (because it doesn't give me illusion of being part of a popular religion), and I continue to come here bashing it even after I switched to another" Aug 05 08:59:44 everybody on the forum have to be listening because they're "angry" :I Aug 05 08:59:49 Aug 05 09:00:41 well, quite frankly, most people on tmo are worse than apple fanbois Aug 05 09:00:49 heck, we're the worst of the bunch Aug 05 09:01:21 crashanddie, thanks for the script. Didn't use it though since there was some issues it caused. Aug 05 09:01:38 ghostcube: not caring about flash is probably the best thing nokia has done in a long time Aug 05 09:01:42 D-Iivil_Work: issues? Aug 05 09:02:20 crashanddie, yeah, it wasn't good idea to increase / decrease all font sizes with same amount. Aug 05 09:02:28 haha Aug 05 09:02:39 crashanddie, and it also replaced some other values in the file that weren't supposed to be replaced :P Aug 05 09:02:51 hey, I did what you asked :P Aug 05 09:02:57 crashanddie, yeah :) Aug 05 09:03:02 crashanddie, and big thank you for that :) Aug 05 09:03:49 hello Aug 05 09:03:53 crashanddie, after toying around I realized I must increase / decrease the sizes unlinear and ended up doing it like this: http://www.pastie.org/1076958 Aug 05 09:04:12 im a new n900 user. is it possible to download directly from a repository with apt? Aug 05 09:04:24 crashanddie, but I learned something new from your script and will probably have other use for that kind of search & replace in the future. Aug 05 09:04:47 phrearch, apt-get install $packagename Aug 05 09:04:48 D-Iivil_Work: the advantage of awk is that it gives you full blown if/else conditions Aug 05 09:05:07 crashanddie, yeah. Didn't know awk before and googling that gave some new ideas. Aug 05 09:05:11 D-Iivil_Work: and also, you can easily compare (== & !=), or parse strings (~) Aug 05 09:05:25 MohammadAG51: ah thanks! Aug 05 09:05:25 crashanddie, awk ftw! Aug 05 09:05:39 awk is one of the better apps to know under unices Aug 05 09:05:57 or, just do everything from python or perl :P Aug 05 09:06:51 hm, seems i need root access Aug 05 09:07:06 i read about a network usage graph generator in bash and awk Aug 05 09:07:24 i mean, an actual image Aug 05 09:07:32 made with sed and awk Aug 05 09:07:39 and imagemagick Aug 05 09:08:49 phrearch: install gainroot from app manager and sudo gainroot after that Aug 05 09:09:01 kirma: thanks :D Aug 05 09:09:41 or was it called rootsh Aug 05 09:10:01 it's basically the first thing I did, so I can't remember the package name ;) Aug 05 09:10:02 crashanddie: i need flash to use some sides i need Aug 05 09:10:09 so i cant say droping flash impresses me Aug 05 09:10:10 kirma: ill find it :) Aug 05 09:10:28 first ill remove all useless $ stuff in the menu Aug 05 09:10:30 its kind of stupid to press flash out and pull vm8 and html5 in Aug 05 09:10:37 cause wont work Aug 05 09:11:00 ghostcube: yeah, because your usage is of such massive importance. Aug 05 09:11:07 hm, speaking of html5, is there a webkit browser for the n900? Aug 05 09:11:21 phrearch, tear Aug 05 09:11:27 iam an tax consultant and yes all tax consultants in de need flash working Aug 05 09:11:38 D-Iivil_Work: cool, ill give it a try Aug 05 09:12:32 phrearch, I've used about all available browsers but I'll always return to MicroB. Allthough during the summer I've been using Opera since it has the "turbo" feature which speeds up the browsing @ 2G network. Aug 05 09:12:55 crashanddie: yes it is Aug 05 09:13:40 D-Iivil_Work: MicroB is mozilla right? Aug 05 09:13:48 phrearch, yeah. Aug 05 09:13:52 it's gecko, yeah Aug 05 09:13:55 phrearch: midori Aug 05 09:14:08 it uses gtk webkit port Aug 05 09:14:21 ghostcube, does that use v8? Aug 05 09:14:21 #midori is the channel Aug 05 09:14:24 ghostcube: huh? Aug 05 09:14:26 cool thanks Aug 05 09:14:30 you would need to ask kalikiana the dev Aug 05 09:14:36 ghostcube: oh my bad, I forgot that the n900 was specifically marketed towards german tax consultants who need to watch porn Aug 05 09:14:42 oh, a webkit browser Aug 05 09:14:50 crashanddie: youre just telling shit Aug 05 09:14:55 and most porn sites work Aug 05 09:15:01 i mean, i heard Aug 05 09:15:06 kerio: hehe Aug 05 09:15:08 lol crashanddie Aug 05 09:15:33 i dont care if you like flash Aug 05 09:15:39 i need flash for work here Aug 05 09:15:51 and i dont care of your dummgelaber crashanddie Aug 05 09:15:59 1-800-NOKIA-RANT Aug 05 09:16:13 DocScrutinizer51: can I? Please? Let me? Aug 05 09:16:21 crashanddie, you can Aug 05 09:16:23 :p Aug 05 09:16:29 ghostcube: please don't insult me Aug 05 09:16:42 you startet Aug 05 09:16:53 and learn to spell, too. Aug 05 09:17:17 lern doch mal deutsch Aug 05 09:17:21 wie wärs damit Aug 05 09:17:24 ghostcube: don't insult anyone you see the name on /cs access #maemo list Aug 05 09:17:38 LOL Aug 05 09:17:55 sheisse Aug 05 09:17:58 hitler kaput Aug 05 09:18:00 +c Aug 05 09:18:03 :D Aug 05 09:18:07 godwin's law! Aug 05 09:18:07 but near by Aug 05 09:18:13 ghostcube: ich verstehe deutsch du schwein Aug 05 09:18:16 and hande hoh Aug 05 09:18:20 -ChanServ- 7 CrashandDie +votriA Aug 05 09:18:22 wtf? Aug 05 09:18:24 that's all i can say in german Aug 05 09:18:45 who the hell opped me? Aug 05 09:18:48 die is all I know Aug 05 09:18:53 lol, doc Aug 05 09:18:56 DocScrutinizer51, Aug 05 09:18:59 jungs um mich zu dissen müsst ihr aber früher aufstehen Aug 05 09:19:06 -.- Aug 05 09:19:09 heh Aug 05 09:19:11 hmm , kinder machen Aug 05 09:19:18 that's what i've learned as well Aug 05 09:19:24 ghostcube: this is an english channel Aug 05 09:20:14 -o ghostcube? Aug 05 09:20:15 lol Aug 05 09:21:27 when does a +q "expire"? Aug 05 09:21:33 never Aug 05 09:21:35 unless we remove it Aug 05 09:21:45 that's why i said "expire" Aug 05 09:21:57 Lawyer: But what about that tattoo on your chest? Doesn't it say, "Die Bart, Die?" Aug 05 09:21:58 Sideshow Bob: No, that's German for "The Bart, The." Aug 05 09:22:04 :) Aug 05 09:32:10 i did setup in fstab to mount internal memoty (27 GB) in /data Aug 05 09:32:38 and disabled auto geneting (and replacing) fstab on boot Aug 05 09:32:57 then copyed /usr to /data Aug 05 09:33:04 and rename /usr Aug 05 09:33:20 and linked /data/usr to /usr Aug 05 09:33:58 but when i restarted my n900, it did not boot!!! Aug 05 09:34:33 that's correct Aug 05 09:35:04 jacekowski: what? Aug 05 09:35:27 it needs /usr to boot Aug 05 09:35:39 and /data was probably on memory card? Aug 05 09:35:45 or emmc? Aug 05 09:35:48 or somewhere? Aug 05 09:36:22 jacekowski: what is there that is needed before running /etc/event.d/rc-last.S ? Aug 05 09:36:43 jacekowski: or somewhere that mount fstab devuces Aug 05 09:36:44 hm, gotta love all those apps available on the n900 :) Aug 05 09:36:52 *devices Aug 05 09:36:55 ilius: everything Aug 05 09:37:04 phrearch: and cool printapp is missing :) Aug 05 09:37:04 ilius: dsme,bme,mce Aug 05 09:37:09 jacekowski: root itself is defined in fstab Aug 05 09:37:25 ghostcube: installing opendune atm :D Aug 05 09:38:48 jacekowski: root itself is defined in fstab? why it could be mounted but my custom folder (/data) could not? Aug 05 09:39:05 no Aug 05 09:39:10 root is not coming from fstab Aug 05 09:39:10 i mounted it before Aug 05 09:39:23 root is coming from kernel command line Aug 05 09:40:56 jacekowski: what can i do now? Aug 05 09:41:27 i was expect a linux-like fstab system Aug 05 09:42:01 ilius: It just means that root is mounted by the kernel earlier than your /data. Aug 05 09:42:26 ilius: And during boot it probably needs things from usr which isn't mounted then? Aug 05 09:43:06 X-Fade: it was in my mind that /usr on needed only for graphic and after all fstab devices mounted Aug 05 09:43:46 ahahahaha... Aug 05 09:43:47 *is needed Aug 05 09:43:52 the US will never have Audi RS cars xD Aug 05 09:44:10 immd Aug 05 09:44:16 who would want that crappy german cars anyways? Aug 05 09:44:22 eh? Aug 05 09:44:23 s/that/these/ Aug 05 09:44:24 jacekowski meant: who would want these crappy german cars anyways? Aug 05 09:44:28 phrearch: you need to install rootsh from appman Aug 05 09:44:33 audi RS are good cars mate Aug 05 09:44:47 not really Aug 05 09:44:58 ferrari is a good car Aug 05 09:45:01 yep too expensive and not really funny Aug 05 09:45:03 lamborghini Aug 05 09:45:05 jacekowski: nope Aug 05 09:45:08 bugatti veyron Aug 05 09:45:09 nope the second Aug 05 09:45:10 subaru Aug 05 09:45:10 ghostcube: got it Aug 05 09:45:12 erhm... cars you can use on a daily basis Aug 05 09:45:14 kerio: ack Aug 05 09:45:16 kerio: that's german as well Aug 05 09:45:16 subaru are pretty shit Aug 05 09:45:23 crashanddie: hrhr full ack Aug 05 09:45:38 ghostcube: RST! Aug 05 09:45:57 jacekowski: lamborghini is german too Aug 05 09:46:00 no Aug 05 09:46:01 ilius: /usr is required during boot Aug 05 09:46:02 italian Aug 05 09:46:04 crashanddie: no it's not Aug 05 09:46:07 it's italian Aug 05 09:46:08 no, it is owned by audi Aug 05 09:46:16 but manufactured in italy Aug 05 09:46:19 the concern is audi -.- Aug 05 09:46:22 from italian parts Aug 05 09:46:28 and with italian hands Aug 05 09:46:33 and faults Aug 05 09:46:37 buy a prius Aug 05 09:46:44 and hug a dtree Aug 05 09:46:48 i never had problems with italian cars Aug 05 09:46:50 s/dtree/tree/ Aug 05 09:46:51 psycho_oreos meant: and hug a tree Aug 05 09:47:04 jacekowski: what can do now? Aug 05 09:47:07 i want the new lotus Aug 05 09:47:08 :D Aug 05 09:47:10 ilius: sit down and cry Aug 05 09:47:17 jacekowski: head of design is Wolfgang Egger -- german enough for you? Aug 05 09:47:24 jacekowski: thank you Aug 05 09:47:25 hmm, yep Aug 05 09:47:29 crashanddie: its still an lambo -.- Aug 05 09:47:34 i'm never going to buy lambo Aug 05 09:47:54 that leaves only lotus and ferrari Aug 05 09:48:02 mclaren Aug 05 09:48:04 :) Aug 05 09:48:19 and ferrari regularly made very, very bad cars Aug 05 09:48:26 or ugly Aug 05 09:48:49 crashanddie: Discussing your new company car? :) Aug 05 09:48:55 X-Fade: nha Aug 05 09:49:16 the last ferrari is ok not so large and strange Aug 05 09:49:16 X-Fade: it's a french company, so I'll probably get a renault or peugeot :P Aug 05 09:49:25 but the rally edition Aug 05 09:49:39 mclaren is owned by mercedes and that's german Aug 05 09:49:40 peugeot 306 rcs Aug 05 09:49:55 jacekowski: but made with british fingers :D Aug 05 09:50:02 jacekowski: drive a fiat, or a alpha romeo, and you'll understand the pain of italian cars Aug 05 09:50:09 i wouldnt say much etter than italian fingers Aug 05 09:50:12 crashanddie: i do Aug 05 09:50:16 I would take this: http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-1970-1979/1970-Plymouth-Hemi-Cuda-Orange-Front-Angle-sy.jpg Aug 05 09:50:17 crashanddie: my father has fiat Aug 05 09:50:21 crashanddie: and he never had problems with it Aug 05 09:50:24 In that color. Aug 05 09:50:27 jacekowski: which fiat? Aug 05 09:50:30 marea Aug 05 09:50:32 focus rs 500 Aug 05 09:51:14 but its sold out .-. Aug 05 09:51:28 jacekowski: ok, so an old car -- I guess the old fiats were still OK. Though now, look at any recent bravo, stilo or punto (except for the fiat 500), and the electronics are absolute shit Aug 05 09:51:46 I had a fiat once. Aug 05 09:51:48 crashanddie: there is an rs version of the fiat 500 Aug 05 09:51:53 jacekowski: the sensor bus is shared amongst the whole car, so there's one bus, that drives every single sensor in the car Aug 05 09:51:55 you don't buy italian cars for reliability Aug 05 09:52:04 you buy them for the design Aug 05 09:52:09 ghostcube: again, who gives a shit about an rs version of the 500? Aug 05 09:52:20 have you seen this thing :D Aug 05 09:52:20 jacekowski: oh yeah, like the fiat marea won design awards Aug 05 09:52:21 but even though, well, it's quite reliable Aug 05 09:52:25 170 ps in this little car Aug 05 09:52:35 '85 Ritmo Abarth 130TC. That was a good car. Aug 05 09:52:36 ps? Aug 05 09:52:38 hp Aug 05 09:53:04 ps == hp in german Aug 05 09:53:32 lol abarth Aug 05 09:53:39 lame cars for poor people Aug 05 09:53:42 kerio, what's lol about that :D Aug 05 09:53:57 buy alfa romeo if you want a sporty car Aug 05 09:53:59 kerio, dyno showed +200hp... Aug 05 09:54:27 WHY, if android runs in a vm, is it not running in a vm on n900? Aug 05 09:54:36 Goodle CEO Eric Schmidt: "Android is selling on 200,000 phones per DAY now" Aug 05 09:54:38 Pretty useless amount of power to transport one person, if you ask me :P Aug 05 09:54:57 I mean, it's not difficult. Want a hot hatchback? Take a VW Golf. Want an ugly hatchback? Take a VW Sirocco. Want a family car? Mercedes Vitto. Want a good road car? BMW 5 series (maybe even M5 if you have the cash). Want a fun little car for the summer? Porsche Boxter S. Ze germans make better cards, end of the story Aug 05 09:55:00 my monaro has 400hp ;-) Aug 05 09:55:04 X-Fade, well.. it was just a summer car for one summer almost right after I got my driving licence. Aug 05 09:55:21 Nowadays I'm driving diesel-powered Opel :P Aug 05 09:55:23 kerio: sure abarth, i think for man whos ladies want a sporty streetcar this is ok as birthday present Aug 05 09:55:30 :D Aug 05 09:55:31 D-Iivil_Work: Sexy ;) Aug 05 09:55:51 ghostcube: lol, i'm driving an alfa mito, you're correct ;-) Aug 05 09:55:59 heh Aug 05 09:56:22 Now the economy matters most when my trip from home to work is ~80km per side. Aug 05 09:56:23 D-Iivil_Work: my first car was a golf 3 gt Aug 05 09:56:29 i don't get the hype for italian cars Aug 05 09:56:31 crashanddie: igitt Aug 05 09:56:42 eh? Aug 05 09:56:46 i mean, my brother has an alfa 147 Aug 05 09:56:55 i meant bah, i hate golf ... Aug 05 09:57:07 i made my driving license on such an damn golf Aug 05 09:57:08 There's a big savings between driving a fuel-powered vechile that takes 8litres / 100km or diesel car that takes 5-6litres / 100km :-P Aug 05 09:57:19 (diesel is cheaper in finland than regular gas) Aug 05 09:57:20 ghostcube: not a GT I expect ;) Aug 05 09:57:29 D-Iivil_Work: diesel is cheaper all around the world :P Aug 05 09:57:32 D-Iivil_Work: how are the taxes on diesel vehicles Aug 05 09:57:35 but it's not *that* good of a car Aug 05 09:57:39 it's good, but... Aug 05 09:57:46 pupnik, about six times more than gas vechiles. Aug 05 09:57:49 hmm nah it was an diesel but the vehicle is the same only 90 ps against 75 diesel ps Aug 05 09:57:50 :D Aug 05 09:57:55 kerio: well, a series one alpha is made out of plastic and all, so... Aug 05 09:58:05 pupnik, but that amount is saved if you drive more than 20.000km per year. Aug 05 09:58:09 hp Aug 05 09:58:12 And last year I drowe 80.00km Aug 05 09:58:12 D-Iivil_Work: see, government can't stand to see anyone get a good deal Aug 05 09:58:22 pupnik, yep... Aug 05 09:58:24 crashanddie: yeah hp sorry Aug 05 09:58:39 Welcome to #sportscar Aug 05 09:58:55 80.000km... not 80.00km Aug 05 09:58:55 rather welcome to #topgearfornoobs Aug 05 09:59:00 :D Aug 05 09:59:05 topgearfornoobs is cool Aug 05 09:59:07 kerio: well, really, maemo is dead right? Aug 05 09:59:17 best sportscar so far i had was an M3 BMW Aug 05 09:59:18 hi all, anyone got the N900 tethering with NetworkManager over Bluetooth? I have the Bluetooth DUN package installed and dund seems to be running, but adding the device in the bluetooth in GNOME does not add any connections to the list Aug 05 09:59:18 toggles_w: no it ain't Aug 05 09:59:32 i don't believe you Aug 05 09:59:36 And now I'd need to find a vechile where I can fit three children's safety seats to the backseats... Aug 05 09:59:46 Saviq: not supported Aug 05 10:00:01 Saviq: use cable Aug 05 10:00:10 D-Iivil_Work: fiat multipla! Aug 05 10:00:12 :D Aug 05 10:00:16 pan is well, Aug 05 10:00:19 jacekowski: isn't that what the Bluetooth DUN is supposed to do? Aug 05 10:00:22 ahhh Aug 05 10:00:23 dun Aug 05 10:00:25 not pan Aug 05 10:00:31 dun should work Aug 05 10:00:34 kerio: woah thats so ugly Aug 05 10:00:45 use cable anyways Aug 05 10:00:47 it's faster Aug 05 10:00:48 hi ... is it possible that my gps is not working very good because my headphone is broken? Aug 05 10:01:00 Saviq: no Aug 05 10:01:04 smooph: no Aug 05 10:01:05 kerio, never heard :D I was thinking about 1.9CDTi Opel Zafira (the 110kW version). Aug 05 10:01:13 smooph: gps doesn't need headphones Aug 05 10:01:51 ghostcube: and yet... Aug 05 10:02:01 it's *fucking confortable* Aug 05 10:02:10 i mean, it's huge Aug 05 10:02:17 yeah but the front window Aug 05 10:02:22 D-Iivil_Work: told you, merco vito Aug 05 10:02:25 and the rear lghts Aug 05 10:02:39 crashanddie, expensive. Aug 05 10:02:47 ghostcube: original, or revision? Aug 05 10:02:51 crashanddie, and have no glue about merco Aug 05 10:02:55 's diesel engines. Aug 05 10:02:56 look at the original version Aug 05 10:03:05 hmm Aug 05 10:03:07 D-Iivil_Work: about 5 grand for a 100k km car Aug 05 10:03:10 is there a difference? Aug 05 10:03:19 crashanddie, where?? Aug 05 10:03:21 D-Iivil_Work: can probably do another 80-120k Aug 05 10:03:37 D-Iivil_Work: well, those are the prices in france, dunno about whereever you might be Aug 05 10:03:53 crashanddie, it's a fucking van :D Aug 05 10:04:04 ghostcube: the first one has a... tooth Aug 05 10:04:06 well, yeah, but trust me, your kids will be comfortable Aug 05 10:04:10 right below the front window Aug 05 10:04:22 D-Iivil_Work: and you can make more babies in the back, and your wife can actually give birth in the back seat Aug 05 10:04:46 have any of you gotten mobile hotspot working on n900? i can connect to the device but the NAT / packet forwarding doesn't work Aug 05 10:04:47 crashanddie, just looking the finnish markets... and Vito that's driven ~100.000km costs between 12.000-30.000 EUR... Aug 05 10:04:55 ouch Aug 05 10:04:57 buy a Lada Aug 05 10:05:25 crashanddie, here's an example: http://www.nettiauto.com/mercedes-benz/vito/3333803 Aug 05 10:05:38 crashanddie, price: 34.900e Aug 05 10:05:40 :P Aug 05 10:05:42 damn Aug 05 10:06:06 what else could be the reason that my gps sucks ? Aug 05 10:06:19 http://www.delta.fi/lada/ Aug 05 10:06:30 crashanddie, I was thinking of making trip to Estonia and getting this: http://eng.auto24.ee/used/750050 Aug 05 10:06:41 Just need to first test how the safety seats will fit in... Aug 05 10:07:03 smooph: do you have a registered sim? Aug 05 10:07:13 i mean, do you have signal? Aug 05 10:07:35 that helps *a lot* Aug 05 10:07:56 jup Aug 05 10:08:15 with a clean sky with no obstacles, and mobile data my gps fixes in 10 seconds Aug 05 10:08:15 or even less Aug 05 10:08:21 I have to go for now but will be back later ... i will contact you Aug 05 10:08:32 don't Aug 05 10:09:07 :D Aug 05 10:09:44 kerio: you just made a friend! Aug 05 10:11:10 Just took me 40 seconds for a cold lock Aug 05 10:11:20 but I'm in doors :) Aug 05 10:11:35 the GPS software SUCKS ASS because you can't enter a KNOWN POSITION and get a fast lock Aug 05 10:11:39 you need the stupid SIM Aug 05 10:11:43 hm aptitude is not installed on the n900, how do you search for apps? Aug 05 10:11:50 apt-cache search Aug 05 10:11:59 pupnik: ok thanks Aug 05 10:12:14 pupnik: your position is not important Aug 05 10:12:21 pupnik: for a fast lock Aug 05 10:12:29 pupnik: we could request the agps app from the N8x0 .. Aug 05 10:12:42 jacekowski: please explain how AGPS is improving lock times Aug 05 10:13:00 pupnik: it downloads ephemeris data from internet Aug 05 10:13:16 hence, the position is important Aug 05 10:13:16 jacekowski: and needs you rough position to know what to look for Aug 05 10:13:31 so it knows which satellites are overhead? Aug 05 10:13:49 ahha... ty much jacekowski Aug 05 10:13:50 the whole point about having the sim is that you get the tower's GPS loc to get the nearby sattelites Aug 05 10:13:52 with ephemeris data knowledge of position is not important Aug 05 10:13:59 well, not that much important Aug 05 10:14:06 crashanddie: i can enter my gps location by HAND Aug 05 10:14:18 pupnik: i know, not countering what you said Aug 05 10:14:26 ephemeris data is critical to get fast lock Aug 05 10:14:36 rough location helps, but alone is useless Aug 05 10:14:52 thanks for making me less ignorant jacekowski Aug 05 10:15:56 jacekowski: which is what AGPS did on Diablo Aug 05 10:16:13 jacekowski: you pinpointed your rough whereabouts, and it woudl download the data for the GPS Aug 05 10:16:48 n900 downloads full ephemeris data Aug 05 10:17:16 so it knows orbits of all satellites Aug 05 10:17:20 crashanddie: pinpoint and rough in the same sentance? :D Aug 05 10:17:39 alterego: well, yeah, you had to place a pin on a map of the world... Aug 05 10:17:45 and unless you have very bad signal, phone can get idea what satelites are overhead in less than second Aug 05 10:17:45 * lcuk never installed agps on n810, but just held device up and prayed to the skygods Aug 05 10:17:47 alterego: which in my book, is pinpointing roughly. Aug 05 10:18:17 crashanddie: I don't remember seeing a graphical indication of where I clicked, but its been a while since I used it :) Aug 05 10:18:54 crashanddie: n8x0 probably relied on almanach data, which require more calculations and if it has rough idea where it is then it can only calculate data for nearby satellites Aug 05 10:19:28 jacekowski: ah yes, that rings a bell, almanach Aug 05 10:19:47 alterego, it was part of agps extra package Aug 05 10:19:53 n900 relies on emphemeris, which is simpler to use Aug 05 10:19:59 ehm, how do you add repositories to the n900? /etc/apt/sources.list seems empty Aug 05 10:20:23 phrearch, with hildon package manager. but the (generated) sources lists are at sources.d directory as well. Aug 05 10:20:23 phrearch, open ham and set the repositories from there Aug 05 10:20:34 ok thanks Aug 05 10:20:35 hm, s/package/application/ Aug 05 10:20:50 ok, ham is definitely going on tonight's pizza, curse you lcuk Aug 05 10:21:23 crashanddie: if phone has valid ephemeris data it can lock to satellite as soon as signal is usable Aug 05 10:21:42 crashanddie: with only almanac data it has to get ephemeris from satellite Aug 05 10:23:06 and accurate time is important for a fast lock Aug 05 10:24:55 pupnik, lol Aug 05 10:27:45 WTF Aug 05 10:27:55 neopwn is selling N900's with the stuff installed Aug 05 10:28:04 hah Aug 05 10:28:04 :P Aug 05 10:28:11 NeoPwn v2 :: N900 + 16GB Aug 05 10:28:11 N900 + 16GB (Class 10) microSD pre-loaded with complete Neopwn v2 Aug 05 10:28:19 $750 Aug 05 10:28:50 well, we can just buy it and then request sources of a driver Aug 05 10:30:51 btw, I recently bought a 16GB class 2 microSD and benchmarked it with bonnie: input and output is 13M/s and 6M/s, respectively Aug 05 10:31:10 still slower than builtin emmc Aug 05 10:31:15 flux, whats the benchmarks for the main partitions Aug 05 10:31:30 lcuk, can't run it, because bonnie requires at least physical memory * 2 capacity Aug 05 10:31:38 some other benchmark would likely work, though Aug 05 10:31:48 jacekowski: from the website "You agree not to resell, re-export, or ship, directly or indirectly, the tools provided in our products in any form without obtaining appropriate export or re-export licenses from the United States government. The fees and costs to obtain such approvals and consents shall be paid by You." Aug 05 10:32:02 or, I could run it, but the results would likely not be meaningful Aug 05 10:32:21 btw, file creation performance: 17 files per second :) Aug 05 10:32:22 crashanddie: so? Aug 05 10:32:26 crashanddie: driver is GPLed Aug 05 10:32:29 weird, i cant seem to login onto my facebook account from the n900 Aug 05 10:32:32 flux, running it with the same ceiling for all partitions (ie a smaller test everywhere) should get more meaningful stuff Aug 05 10:32:40 (but I'm suspecting it might be wrong, because it apperas it did only 16 files) Aug 05 10:32:42 jacekowski: he won't comply Aug 05 10:32:48 jacekowski: the guy just wants to make a profit Aug 05 10:32:58 jacekowski: actually, I'm tempted to buy it, and then put the image on torrent Aug 05 10:33:11 well, then he will have to go to court Aug 05 10:33:28 gpl has been proved valid in court Aug 05 10:33:38 and who would go to those lengths? Aug 05 10:33:42 EFF Aug 05 10:33:51 lcuk: buy it Aug 05 10:34:01 lcuk: I'll repay you (the $50 version) as soon as I get my paycheck Aug 05 10:34:15 or GAN900 Aug 05 10:34:34 wow tweego is brilliant, white text on white background :| Aug 05 10:34:35 i would buy it but well, 21 days delivery Aug 05 10:34:36 gtfo, this is your crusade Aug 05 10:34:48 jacekowski: no, 21 days shipping! Aug 05 10:34:57 jacekowski: so he needs up to 21 days before he even sends it Aug 05 10:35:29 I'm actually tempted to tip the IRS to his sales Aug 05 10:35:35 what are you guys so against anyway? Aug 05 10:35:50 the guy promising free downloads, and then selling it for massive profit Aug 05 10:35:54 somebody put a lot of work in neopwn Aug 05 10:36:02 no he didn't Aug 05 10:36:02 and he wants to make some money on it Aug 05 10:36:11 and crashanddie has a problem with it Aug 05 10:36:18 I have no problem with people making money Aug 05 10:36:35 I do have a problem with people inventing stupid excuses and bad foresight Aug 05 10:38:50 the guy keeps moaning and bitching that he has no time, and received no help from the community. He never asked for help, and doesn't allow it when it is offered. Aug 05 10:38:52 i see nothing wrong with paying for installation media of free software, so yeah once you get it follow the gpl all you want Aug 05 10:39:11 i asked lbt to get usb stick of mer at one point Aug 05 10:39:26 * lcuk is happy to pay for prepackaged software :) Aug 05 10:39:33 (mer for joggler) Aug 05 10:40:01 shame ovi wont take python apps or i would see how much i could rake in on from fmms! Aug 05 10:40:02 crashanddie, so the fact there is usb stick + n900 isnt silly, its astute Aug 05 10:40:20 lcuk: oh, I'm fine with the N900 + uSD card being sold Aug 05 10:40:52 there is a lack of sources available thou Aug 05 10:41:13 there is no product until you buy it though Aug 05 10:41:44 anyway Aug 05 10:41:50 frals: how much do you want to bet that he'll charge you for the sources? Aug 05 10:41:53 i am going to other places Aug 05 10:42:14 lol... The IRS Whistleblower Office pays money to people who blow the whistle on persons who fail to pay the tax that they owe. If the IRS uses information provided by the whistleblower, it can award the whistleblower up to 30 percent of the additional tax, penalty and other amounts it collects. Aug 05 10:42:49 hm weird, i use the same facebook auth on the n900, but it fails there every time Aug 05 10:44:18 frozen-bubble's awesome Aug 05 10:44:28 MohammadAG51: you must be new around linux? Aug 05 10:44:40 no, i'm just playing cross platform :p Aug 05 10:44:56 anyone using tweego on the n900 and can confirm im not the only one getting white on white in inputfields? :\ Aug 05 10:44:57 N900 vs laptop Aug 05 10:45:17 frozen bubble rox the controlling lags a bit :D Aug 05 10:46:10 ghostcube, sdl, can't accelerate that using the powervr afaik Aug 05 10:46:17 Where am I supposed to put nameservers in ubuntu? it says in resolv.conf not to manually edit it Aug 05 10:46:19 frals, you're the only one Aug 05 10:46:42 MohammadAG51: ah ok Aug 05 10:47:25 * frals trouts MohammadAG51 Aug 05 10:47:36 hmmm the only problem i have with cupsd is it doesnt install any ppd files Aug 05 10:47:40 :D Aug 05 10:47:44 hmmm Aug 05 10:47:45 kerio: hey I use the gps when I go for a run with the running software ecoach Aug 05 10:48:28 but last couple of weeks I ether get no gps lock or only very low signal strength Aug 05 10:49:55 oh, i got an idea, if i copy the ppd file from my ubuntu box, it shopuld work in cups on n900 or? Aug 05 10:50:41 hmm, where's noobmonk3y Aug 05 10:50:50 ~seen noobmonk3y Aug 05 10:50:52 noobmonk3y was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 13d 1h 3m 35s ago, saying: 'akshey: joiku has improved alot - manaed to use it for a weekend a few weeks ago and dloaded 2.8gb in the weekend with over 8 people connected :)'. Aug 05 10:53:57 DDUUUUUUUUUUUDES Aug 05 10:54:03 DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDES Aug 05 10:54:06 I HAVE A FUCKING JOB Aug 05 10:54:13 w0000000000000000000000000000000000t Aug 05 10:54:27 CONGRATULATIONS YOU FUCKING BASTARD Aug 05 10:54:32 thanks Aug 05 10:54:40 :p Aug 05 10:54:44 and who are you going to fuck? Aug 05 10:54:52 lol Aug 05 10:55:09 ~rape crashanddie Aug 05 10:55:11 * infobot takes crashanddie behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Aug 05 10:56:41 you guys are sick ... WallMart rly? Aug 05 10:58:06 congrats crashanddie. Aug 05 10:58:44 sorry for the caps, thanks SpeedEvil Aug 05 10:59:06 grats Aug 05 10:59:11 hmmm congrats, but what is the job? Aug 05 10:59:13 may we know where? :) Aug 05 10:59:25 and woah i found the solution for my driver problem with cups Aug 05 10:59:27 Nokia HQ, he's coming for ya frals Aug 05 10:59:27 iam so stupid Aug 05 10:59:39 -.- Aug 05 10:59:47 ghostcube, porting cups? Aug 05 11:00:33 MohammadAG51: doh :< Aug 05 11:00:44 MohammadAG51: he wont find me at nokia hq though, so i guess its ok! Aug 05 11:01:07 frals, trust me, he will Aug 05 11:01:17 MohammadAG51: na get it to work only Aug 05 11:01:27 i didtn read the side 5 in the maemo.org thread Aug 05 11:01:33 cups didn't build for me Aug 05 11:01:34 o.O Aug 05 11:01:47 there are cups packages in devel Aug 05 11:01:58 ghostcube & frals: C++ dev on a VoIP app for major telco comps Aug 05 11:02:02 really? Aug 05 11:02:19 MohammadAG51: yep no joke Aug 05 11:02:20 congrats crashanddie Aug 05 11:02:28 crashanddie: oi Aug 05 11:02:37 * MohammadAG51 waits for crashanddie to exploit and listen to VoIP calls Aug 05 11:02:43 lmao Aug 05 11:02:54 so I'm going from security consultant to c++ dev, why not Aug 05 11:03:12 never knew you knew C++ Aug 05 11:03:17 my condolences :p Aug 05 11:03:19 hmmm c++ is an bastard Aug 05 11:03:23 :D Aug 05 11:03:43 crashanddie: hmm, then you could work on an "better"voip app for maemo Aug 05 11:03:43 :D Aug 05 11:03:51 kill skype Aug 05 11:03:54 -.- Aug 05 11:04:01 skype won't die any time soon Aug 05 11:04:16 and it's not bad for a closed source POS Aug 05 11:04:24 i knew, i use it too :D Aug 05 11:04:30 just an start for crashanddie Aug 05 11:04:33 i still use it Aug 05 11:04:41 it's server-side voip, not client Aug 05 11:04:45 oh Aug 05 11:04:47 I used gizmo5, but it failed Aug 05 11:04:52 i had tried ekiga Aug 05 11:04:55 failed as in no one uses it Aug 05 11:04:56 shame on this Aug 05 11:05:02 well, no one I know Aug 05 11:05:49 the only thing that drives me nuts with skype is, its not working from n900 to linux :| Aug 05 11:05:59 video call Aug 05 11:06:16 works for me :p Aug 05 11:06:24 n900 to linux with vid call? Aug 05 11:06:28 :O Aug 05 11:06:29 how Aug 05 11:06:30 n900 to symbian works too Aug 05 11:06:42 w/ fring on symbian though Aug 05 11:06:56 -.- fring sux Aug 05 11:07:26 i know Aug 05 11:07:38 video calls with jabber work nicely to any platform Aug 05 11:08:07 ;( Aug 05 11:08:11 X-Fade, hmm, if pulseaudio was fixed, does that mean the recharge battery sound won't be machine gun-ny? Aug 05 11:08:15 noone of my friends uses jabba Aug 05 11:09:00 maybe it is time to educate them then :) Aug 05 11:09:08 ghostcube: google talk is jabber too, you know Aug 05 11:09:14 people I need help! I'd like to delete this thread... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58935 but I shouldn't Aug 05 11:09:35 Stskeeps: yeah but now i must tell you 10% of my freinds uses any google account Aug 05 11:09:51 can some of you at least try to slow them down? n00bs helping n00bs screw up their system... Aug 05 11:09:54 hm, adduser doesnt work on the n900, and setting a root pw doesnt seem wise Aug 05 11:10:08 i want to ssh into the n900, but therefor it needs a password Aug 05 11:10:12 preferably a new user Aug 05 11:10:42 ah useradd Aug 05 11:10:49 phrearch: useradd Aug 05 11:10:53 ah ok Aug 05 11:10:54 thanks :) Aug 05 11:11:59 hm, added the user, su'd into it, but passwd returns that the pw cant be changed Aug 05 11:12:24 phrearch: setting the root pw shouldnt be a problem... just don't use god, love or something alike Aug 05 11:13:14 ok, i guess openssh has root login disabled by default Aug 05 11:13:19 so its not a problem Aug 05 11:13:43 phrearch: useradd --password ********* Aug 05 11:14:10 ah you mean root Aug 05 11:14:48 the openssh client/server package at least requires you to set a root password on install Aug 05 11:15:03 SpeedEvil: thats what I thought Aug 05 11:15:34 but one out of three times it didn't ask me Aug 05 11:16:03 odd Aug 05 11:16:42 yeah but it setup right so I was able to root'in and set it by hand Aug 05 11:16:51 gotcha. im in :D Aug 05 11:17:49 phrearch: to have most of the DOS and stuff bots not reach your ssh door you may change the port in the config (needs sshd restart) Aug 05 11:18:14 chem|st: yea probably a good idea Aug 05 11:19:26 wifi seems to be a bit unstable Aug 05 11:19:33 I am around in public IP ranges, my servers stop complaining via watchdog that +1k ssh-knocks with wrong password happened if I change the port to elsewhere Aug 05 11:19:48 phrearch: it is wifi... Aug 05 11:20:04 well, even then... Aug 05 11:20:18 what's wrong with your wifi? Aug 05 11:20:34 status indicator has 2/10 while the router is 3 meters from me Aug 05 11:20:48 fail2ban should work on n900? Aug 05 11:20:59 automatically bans ssh-knockers with iptables Aug 05 11:21:13 phrearch: have you turned of powersaving? Aug 05 11:21:20 off Aug 05 11:21:22 aha no Aug 05 11:21:52 phrearch: some routers have problems with powersaving devices Aug 05 11:22:09 visz: why would you want that? Aug 05 11:22:14 and drop connection quiet often Aug 05 11:22:20 visz: is your password that insecure, or is your SSH forwarded on the web? Aug 05 11:22:21 misread Aug 05 11:22:52 ok, got it disabled for this wlan Aug 05 11:22:52 but on servers though, why wouldn't i use fail2ban? Aug 05 11:23:24 visz: doesn't work that way! the ssh knocks come in random same IP all about weeks not seconds, so would you like to ban every wrong entered password? Aug 05 11:23:45 wow, much better :D Aug 05 11:23:57 i have different experience Aug 05 11:24:02 phrearch: whats your router and if custom which fw Aug 05 11:24:16 5 wrong passwords -> ban the ip Aug 05 11:24:24 ehm, a linksys adsl router Aug 05 11:24:38 model? Aug 05 11:24:39 today already got about 5 bans Aug 05 11:25:18 ehm WAG54G2 Aug 05 11:25:19 visz: I changed the port and don't need any fail2ban anymore... Aug 05 11:25:32 with default firmware Aug 05 11:25:55 i also use fail2ban against sip-scanners Aug 05 11:26:21 sip vicious is quite malevolent in wrong hands Aug 05 11:26:52 hm no mysql available? Aug 05 11:26:54 it's stateless, so it doesn't wait for a reply before sending another register attempt Aug 05 11:27:16 easily gets asterisk-server on its knees Aug 05 11:27:17 phrearch: what you want a mysql server for? Aug 05 11:27:57 visz: there it is handy but not for my ssh-port... Aug 05 11:28:31 chem|st: want to run a webserver on it Aug 05 11:28:45 twisted or the like Aug 05 11:29:27 phrearch: there is lighthttpd Aug 05 11:29:41 ok cool Aug 05 11:29:54 phrearch: have fun I opt out Aug 05 11:30:06 yea, dling the debian img now Aug 05 11:30:13 this is the best toy in years Aug 05 11:30:56 phrearch: you mean in decades... Aug 05 11:31:34 yea, it's awesome. a complete linux box on a phone with all hightech stuff included Aug 05 11:31:51 any good python lib for accessing the gps? Aug 05 11:32:12 phrearch, try python-location :) Aug 05 11:33:01 baraujo: ah thanks! Aug 05 11:40:37 wallmart? Aug 05 11:40:53 biggest wall store in the usa? Aug 05 11:41:11 hmm, anyone gets kep back packages for an dist-upgrade on apt-get? Aug 05 11:41:22 sdl mixer and so claims upstart needs this and this Aug 05 11:41:27 o.O Aug 05 11:41:37 I thought dist-upgrade bootlooped phones Aug 05 11:41:43 or maybe just used to Aug 05 11:42:01 still does in my experience Aug 05 11:42:23 what does dist-upgrade do? Aug 05 11:42:35 also yeah, libsdl-mixer1.2 conflicts with a fremantle metapackage Aug 05 11:42:43 ah ok :) Aug 05 11:43:11 iam used to use apt-get cause iam old debian user :D Aug 05 11:43:22 till now i never had probs so far Aug 05 11:43:27 :) Aug 05 11:43:48 i dont like grafical app installers on any debian base, cause you have dpkg and apt Aug 05 11:45:19 What's not to like about graphical installers? Aug 05 11:45:31 its just faster Aug 05 11:45:44 apt-get install , apt-cache search Aug 05 11:45:49 apt-cache policy Aug 05 11:45:52 its all you need Aug 05 11:45:54 Erm, faster than what? Aug 05 11:46:03 than the grafical installers Aug 05 11:46:13 A graphical wrapper for apt will run just as fast as apt Aug 05 11:46:52 silly command line elitists Aug 05 11:46:59 alterego: HAM is slow Aug 05 11:47:06 alterego: and it's mere wrapper as well Aug 05 11:47:33 It's a poorly written wrapper :P Aug 05 11:47:50 fapman gets better but refreshes too often the lists Aug 05 11:47:56 one time should be enough Aug 05 11:47:59 And I only find it slow whilst atteempting to index the packages. Aug 05 11:48:08 that faster app manager is a godsend Aug 05 11:48:20 eh? Aug 05 11:48:34 ghostcube: it has to index the installed packages everytime something is installed. Aug 05 11:49:17 sure but why refresh for remove and then for install Aug 05 11:49:20 should be the same still Aug 05 11:49:40 you dont have this trouble on commandline Aug 05 11:49:54 Just incase some fool like you uses the command line :P Aug 05 11:49:58 "A Michigan man credited his dog with saving his life by chewing off his diseased big toe as he lay passed out in a drunken stupor." Aug 05 11:50:16 woof .. Aug 05 11:50:24 alterego: :P Aug 05 11:51:01 btw alterego ofcourse of the elektronik music guys or niothing to do with it Aug 05 11:51:05 ghostcube: seriously though, why don't you try and write a reliable appliation manager around apt and see how well yours compares with others :P Aug 05 11:51:07 hey Aug 05 11:51:16 alterego: simple answer? Aug 05 11:51:20 i cant code Aug 05 11:51:21 rofl Aug 05 11:51:28 Heh Aug 05 11:51:59 alterego: doesn't HAM use dpkg rather than apt? Aug 05 11:52:14 crashanddie: not sure. Aug 05 11:52:15 alterego: so there is a good possibility that they completely screwed the queries Aug 05 11:52:23 I'd imagine it uses a bit of both Aug 05 11:52:25 it doesn't use apt-get Aug 05 11:52:33 well, duh Aug 05 11:52:34 apt-worker Aug 05 11:52:35 it uses a fucked up tool called apt-worker Aug 05 11:52:54 no frontend uses apt-get Aug 05 11:52:55 apt-make-you-wait-and-suck-battery-er Aug 05 11:52:55 yeah, they use apt-worker Aug 05 11:53:01 or just dpkg, like aptitude Aug 05 11:53:10 Ah yes, apt-worker Aug 05 11:53:14 aptitude works k on the Aug 05 11:53:16 n900 Aug 05 11:53:24 * MohammadAG murders enter key Aug 05 11:53:48 some people are fucked up Aug 05 11:53:56 how can this happen in this day and age: "A Malaysian state is to allow Muslim girls under the age of consent of 16 years to wed in a bid to stem unwed pregnancies, angering the country's women's activists and politicians." Aug 05 11:54:06 Talingt of keys, myn new laptop keyboard got shiped yesterday :) Aug 05 11:54:16 MohammadAG: now what? Aug 05 11:54:19 ^j? Aug 05 11:54:38 Politician: "We can't stop the girls from getting raped and pregnant" Supporter: "Allow them to wed, j/k" Politician: "That's brilliant! PRESS CONFERENCE" Aug 05 11:54:46 crashanddie: I wondfer how many muslim women at 16 actually have kids :/ Aug 05 11:55:02 crashanddie: you left out the important part: which state Aug 05 11:55:22 pupnik: Malaca Aug 05 11:55:29 Malacca Aug 05 11:55:39 MohammadAG51: aptitude works o.O never tried on n900 Aug 05 11:55:45 http://www.tripbase.com/Flights_to-Malacca_Malaysia.html Aug 05 11:55:51 less is a cool addon for installing :D Aug 05 11:55:52 MohammadAG, re: HAM - patches welcome. Aug 05 11:55:55 well, on bbc there are series "undeage and pregnant" Aug 05 11:56:15 and there are loads of girls that get pregnant at 13 Aug 05 11:56:18 hmm why isnt anybody porting synaptic or kpackagekit :D Aug 05 11:56:36 jacekowski: in england teeny birth rate is high, afaik Aug 05 11:56:46 wrong moralic intentions Aug 05 11:56:50 alterego: 1.2% in Malaysia, 5.2% in Indonesia Aug 05 11:57:00 yep, not as high as in some other countries Aug 05 11:57:19 lcuk, re: re: HAM - don't know C, is --- hildon-application-manager +++ fapman an acceptable patch? Aug 05 11:57:21 somewhere to south of europe Aug 05 11:57:26 crashanddie: so, basically f'all :) Aug 05 11:57:40 ghostcube, I already ported synaptics Aug 05 11:57:43 i'm not going to point precisely because i would get banned for being racist Aug 05 11:57:44 never uploaded it though Aug 05 11:57:52 aptitude works without the GUI Aug 05 11:57:53 alterego: true, but that doesn't make the law right Aug 05 11:58:01 the GUI works, but making it apply changes segfaults Aug 05 11:58:03 MohammadAG: aptitude has ncurses gui Aug 05 11:58:05 MohammadAG, no - fapman is not a drop in replacment for ham and only covers some of the scenarios that HAM manages Aug 05 11:58:15 MohammadAG: woot? Aug 05 11:58:19 where to grab it? Aug 05 11:58:35 ah ok never uploaded Aug 05 11:58:43 well Aug 05 11:58:48 my i5 went down, and it's on it Aug 05 11:58:52 -.- Aug 05 11:58:56 lcuk: huh? Aug 05 11:58:57 like? Aug 05 11:59:06 installing, removing and updating things? Aug 05 11:59:09 SSU, .install, ovi Aug 05 11:59:18 ovi can be handled, use my modified apt package Aug 05 11:59:21 backup app restoration Aug 05 11:59:25 crashanddie: making it law doesn't make people do it, they're not forcing. Aug 05 11:59:27 can be parsed Aug 05 11:59:30 it's plain xml Aug 05 11:59:37 ovi sucks ._. Aug 05 11:59:41 hehe yeah a bit Aug 05 11:59:51 Also, muslim women are under more pressure from their family and the communityover gov't. Aug 05 11:59:59 btw safari opened for addons and extensions Aug 05 12:00:06 Ovi uses a repo with apps in user/hidden, E: Handler Silently Failed is an error that shows when installing from that section Aug 05 12:00:08 Anyhow, I was just saying, with such a low percentage, why bother? Aug 05 12:00:19 for paid apps, ovi uses debs Aug 05 12:00:44 anyway, going for a shower... then going to see my future employer! 'Later Aug 05 12:04:31 hm, Enhanced Linux kernel for power users conflict with maemo kernel Aug 05 12:07:29 phrearch: dont use it Aug 05 12:07:46 ghostcube: ok, its bad then i guess Aug 05 12:07:59 i was looking for an easy way to overclock it Aug 05 12:08:08 oha Aug 05 12:08:13 dont start the OC war Aug 05 12:08:16 -.- Aug 05 12:08:38 heh, sensitive subject then Aug 05 12:09:09 phrearch, please put 20 or so clocks on top of your n900 Aug 05 12:09:12 yeah, iam wondering no one barked after you wrote the oc word Aug 05 12:09:17 overclocked n900 Aug 05 12:09:26 aha :D Aug 05 12:09:48 heh, i'll leave it for now then Aug 05 12:10:02 the power kernel is not just for overclocking Aug 05 12:10:26 also ext3/ext4, ntfs, nfs, samba shares, wifi mesh, iptables with nat Aug 05 12:10:31 nah but i dont get the profit for normal use? is there any, except you can use some kernel plugins more? Aug 05 12:10:41 ghostcube: MobileHotspot Aug 05 12:10:48 oh ok thats a reason Aug 05 12:11:01 isnt that usable with the stock kernel? Aug 05 12:11:05 phrearch: nope Aug 05 12:11:11 you need iptables to NAT Aug 05 12:11:19 hey, how does one go about in getting the latest scratchbox if I have the old one? Is it enough to do some apt-get magic within scratchbox? Aug 05 12:11:25 so, but the power kernel conflicts with the regular one Aug 05 12:11:26 I use the power kernel Aug 05 12:11:37 with overclock.diff removed from debian/patches :P Aug 05 12:11:41 MohammadAG: you are not an normal user Aug 05 12:11:47 :P Aug 05 12:11:55 I have it compiled w/o overclocking xD Aug 05 12:12:05 MohammadAG: i just use the stock settings ._. Aug 05 12:12:25 kerio, sometimes i get tempted to overclock, and having it there makes it easy to oc Aug 05 12:12:32 shitty will, if you will Aug 05 12:12:39 lol Aug 05 12:12:43 Moamjust isn't normal. Aug 05 12:13:01 heh Aug 05 12:13:08 MohammadAG isn't normal .. Aug 05 12:13:12 :) Aug 05 12:13:54 I know, timeless approves of that (he said it in a comment on bugzilla xD) Aug 05 12:14:30 oh wait Aug 05 12:14:33 no Aug 05 12:14:37 he said I was unreal :P https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9478#c2 Aug 05 12:14:38 Bug 9478: Browser takes time to open first page immediatley after closing browser Aug 05 12:15:19 hm, just installed the deb img install, but openoffice says its failed to mount it Aug 05 12:16:08 Moo all Aug 05 12:16:32 * MohammadAG chroots into RST38h and executes apt-get moo Aug 05 12:16:48 404 Aug 05 12:17:04 lool ding the same here Aug 05 12:17:05 :D Aug 05 12:17:31 damn the n900 cant do moo? Aug 05 12:17:33 -.- Aug 05 12:17:40 such a shame Aug 05 12:17:46 huh Aug 05 12:17:54 they removed the super cow powers? Aug 05 12:17:56 :O Aug 05 12:18:01 FUCKING NOKIA Aug 05 12:18:04 yeah Aug 05 12:18:06 :D Aug 05 12:23:10 thats a lie Aug 05 12:24:23 whew Aug 05 12:24:29 apt-get moo works fine. and if my text selection werent playing up id prove it :P Aug 05 12:25:38 my apt-get moo : not found Aug 05 12:25:42 photos don't auto-rotate anymore between portrait and landscape Aug 05 12:25:43 o.O Aug 05 12:26:09 neither do other apps like blubbels and mappero Aug 05 12:26:11 TermanaN900: you did it in an N900 ? Aug 05 12:31:30 ghostcube, yes Aug 05 12:31:32 as root Aug 05 12:31:47 me too Aug 05 12:31:51 strange Aug 05 12:32:38 mine does it as non-root too, so the "as root" part was worthless :P Aug 05 12:34:00 Lazy way of disconnecting my n900 from IRC without touching it :P Aug 05 12:36:48 hm i get an error all the time with debian apps :( Aug 05 12:36:57 Mount failure for debvian-m5-v3d.img Aug 05 12:37:19 debvian? Aug 05 12:37:24 i bet *that* is the problem Aug 05 12:37:36 no, that was my type mistake Aug 05 12:38:59 hmm, importer down? Aug 05 12:40:45 lol Termana mine does it only in bash3 non root Aug 05 12:40:51 as root it didnt work lol Aug 05 12:41:40 ghostcube, heh, thats strange :P Mine works perfectly fine in the default busybox terminal and as root or not :P Aug 05 12:42:00 hmm maybe its my bash3 installation then Aug 05 12:42:48 executing "root" or sudo gainroot opens a busybox shell Aug 05 12:43:01 any idea what cost me 20 mb of free space on my rootfs Aug 05 12:43:03 you need to start the whole bash shell as root to be root in it Aug 05 12:44:03 sudo gainroot in bash 3 opns busybox sure but in this shell i cant use apt-get moo Aug 05 12:44:16 :) Aug 05 12:44:43 it doesn't want to moo, sheesh take a hint Aug 05 12:44:50 :P Aug 05 13:09:05 Hrm, we don't have a colour or a font picker .. Aug 05 13:09:44 who is we :p Aug 05 13:10:35 Heh, shuddup :P Aug 05 13:10:39 Qt for maemo5 Aug 05 13:10:56 And for the 100 millionth time, I'm not going to use liqbase :P Aug 05 13:11:34 thats fine by me Aug 05 13:11:41 theres at least 2 color selectors in qt Aug 05 13:11:45 one which looks like mine Aug 05 13:11:51 and another which looks a bit different Aug 05 13:12:02 I was thinking something maemo specific. Aug 05 13:12:11 But I'll have to use the Qt one I guess :P Aug 05 13:12:50 then there are certainly color select dialogs Aug 05 13:13:18 alterego, http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon-Extras Aug 05 13:29:15 hi! Aug 05 13:29:44 anyone know how to display custom images in notifications using the hildon-notify lib? Aug 05 13:29:54 woah google is willing to pay money for prefering their network traffic? Aug 05 13:29:58 bad Aug 05 13:30:43 ghostcube: there's only so much bandwidth Aug 05 13:30:57 you read the articel? Aug 05 13:31:03 you didn't link one Aug 05 13:31:36 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/technology/05secret.html?_r=2 Aug 05 13:31:37 ups Aug 05 13:31:38 lol Aug 05 13:31:42 sorry Aug 05 13:32:34 Pay by the byte is the only sane model IMO Aug 05 13:34:07 http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consumer/2010/06/ofcom-opens-debate-on-net-neutrality/ - _everyone_ in the UK - please respond to this. Aug 05 13:34:08 different QoS flags should represent different bids ;) Aug 05 13:34:29 luke-jr: yes - and a micropayment per packet architecture would be great. Aug 05 13:34:47 I'd love to be able to setup an AP with a price per packet. Aug 05 13:34:54 Same with my phone. Aug 05 13:35:18 The price per packet climbs steeply as battery runs out, or as my monthly quota nears. Aug 05 13:36:04 I was just thinking paying extra to get VoIP packets prioritized Aug 05 13:38:03 That too. Aug 05 13:40:47 well, priorities are not important if network isn't overloaded Aug 05 13:40:51 and that should be target Aug 05 13:41:13 network that delivers packets with constant delay just because it can Aug 05 13:41:25 jacekowski: every network is overloaded at some point in time Aug 05 13:42:51 IMO the problem is how you bill for prioritized traffic Aug 05 13:43:29 and it opens a can of worms on multiple levels Aug 05 13:43:55 network should be capable of taking any load Aug 05 13:43:55 suddenly people will be trying to get peers to route through them, in hopes of getting such packets Aug 05 13:44:19 jacekowski: don't be silly Aug 05 13:44:28 i mean seriously Aug 05 13:44:37 http://zomgitscj.com/2010/08/05/game-gripper-for-the-nokia-n900-grip-it-like-youre-playing-it/ game gripper finally for n900 Aug 05 13:44:40 there's no point putting in terabit routers if only 100mbit is used on a regular basis Aug 05 13:44:42 if you have isp that has 100000s of customers Aug 05 13:44:45 http://zomgitscj.com/2010/06/06/the-nokia-n900-finally-launches-in-india-we-just-sat-there-blinking/ n900 finally available in India :) Aug 05 13:45:54 luke-jr: isp is not going to have problem with that Aug 05 13:46:17 packet prioritization is not an ISP-level thing Aug 05 13:46:32 it's primarily relevant on backbones Aug 05 13:46:48 backbones should be capable of handling that load Aug 05 13:47:05 if you take a look at traffic at internet exchanges Aug 05 13:47:25 it's very close to constant during a day Aug 05 13:47:27 and end-user ISPs are basically people paying to share a single pipe Aug 05 13:47:42 in which case the ISP has no business charging for priority Aug 05 13:47:48 luke-jr: Also with shared end-nodes. for example sharing 3G or wifi Aug 05 14:25:12 * noobmonk3y prods frals Aug 05 14:25:58 hm. my SDK doesn't download stuff anymore :-( wget can't resolve names, the browser in the Xephyr window can though.very strange. Any ideas as to what's wrong? Aug 05 14:26:11 * MohammadAG throws a frals at noobmonk3y Aug 05 14:26:17 I ~seen Aug 05 14:26:19 'd you today Aug 05 14:26:23 DAMN ENTER KEY Aug 05 14:26:23 * noobmonk3y giigles Aug 05 14:26:26 lol! Aug 05 14:26:41 * noobmonk3y has been in bed for almost a week after pulling 2 back muscles :( Aug 05 14:27:42 hows #maemo been? :) Aug 05 14:27:57 :( Aug 05 14:28:09 * noobmonk3y kicks fmms - mef still cant get it to work :( Aug 05 14:28:12 meh* Aug 05 14:28:32 oi Aug 05 14:28:33 you suck Aug 05 14:28:34 ;) Aug 05 14:28:45 he learns from the best :P Aug 05 14:28:46 lol!!! Aug 05 14:28:46 huh Aug 05 14:29:14 noobmonk3y: what error you getting and what settings are you using on what operator? ;) Aug 05 14:29:23 hmm 1730 already, should go home soon Aug 05 14:29:28 Voda uk, no error at the mo - omfg Aug 05 14:29:29 it worked Aug 05 14:29:32 on havoc mode only Aug 05 14:29:43 took a v long time though! Aug 05 14:29:51 things always work when frals is around Aug 05 14:29:59 hiya noobmonk3y \o Aug 05 14:30:09 hey hey, hows you lcuk? Aug 05 14:30:27 ahhhh frals... i was dloading a picture msg from last month! - probably expired! Aug 05 14:30:33 the new pic msg worked fine Aug 05 14:30:34 good and tired Aug 05 14:30:40 frals: have you considered rewriting fmms in real programming language? Aug 05 14:30:42 awwwwww as per usual then! Aug 05 14:30:56 noobmonk3y: tis takes a long time, its setting up a context with your apn and what not ;) Aug 05 14:31:06 noobmonk3y: and month old messages are most likely gone from server yes ;) Aug 05 14:31:19 jacekowski: you're talking about haskell, right? Aug 05 14:31:23 darn vodafone - it was sleezy porn from my best mate too lol (In sweden) Aug 05 14:31:31 jacekowski: python is a real language! but considered and decided against it because it would be huge effort Aug 05 14:31:41 noobmonk3y, frals moved from sweden now :P Aug 05 14:31:46 slonopotamus: C Aug 05 14:31:47 noobmonk3y: hehe Aug 05 14:31:52 get him to resend sleazy stuff :P Aug 05 14:32:09 frals: python is interpreted piece of crap Aug 05 14:32:42 lcuk: yup i know - gonna harrass him when i goto helsinki next year if i get round to planning it! Aug 05 14:32:51 rare case, but i +1 to what jacekowski said :P Aug 05 14:32:57 * noobmonk3y lols Aug 05 14:33:19 jacekowski: yeah, but tis good enough for fmms.. the gui would benefit some from a rewrite but the backend isnt that slow Aug 05 14:33:31 Python is nice for some things, but not for others :) Aug 05 14:33:33 i dont mind python, its the bloated libraries and slowdowns more than anything Aug 05 14:33:49 it needs a kick up the backside Aug 05 14:34:08 .. and parsing the received mms for a bit longer is ok since the user wont notice it ;) Aug 05 14:34:24 what user can't see doesn't matter Aug 05 14:34:31 * MohammadAG wonders if frals receives a copy of each message fMMS gets Aug 05 14:34:34 that's quite useful principal Aug 05 14:34:34 exactly ^^ Aug 05 14:34:34 jk :P Aug 05 14:34:37 MohammadAG: scch Aug 05 14:34:38 lol Aug 05 14:34:47 nice timing exactly ^^ Aug 05 14:34:52 ;D Aug 05 14:34:53 * noobmonk3y thinks he doesnt... his phone would be forever going into havoc mode and causing havoc tbh Aug 05 14:35:26 N900 Viking edition Aug 05 14:35:56 noobmonk3y: this delivered to my mail, data payed by user *evilgrin* Aug 05 14:36:09 s/this/tis/ Aug 05 14:36:11 frals meant: noobmonk3y: tis delivered to my mail, data payed by user *evilgrin* Aug 05 14:36:12 lols! Aug 05 14:36:24 ;D Aug 05 14:36:59 would be funny to sneak that in to a release and see if qa catches it Aug 05 14:37:05 ;) Aug 05 14:37:13 (no i wont :P) Aug 05 14:37:23 meh Aug 05 14:37:37 the QA wouldn't catch an rm -rf if it hit them in the face Aug 05 14:37:50 MohammadAG: i think it filters out all pics without boobs Aug 05 14:37:59 LOL Aug 05 14:38:34 yeah its why the ui is so slow, the boob detection algo is a monster Aug 05 14:40:20 frals actually .. it should be a reasonable tweak to bullseye detection code I have knocking around somewhere :P Aug 05 14:40:28 lol Aug 05 14:40:44 filtered to skin tones might be quite effective! Aug 05 14:40:52 indeed Aug 05 14:40:59 can it detect trout skin tones? Aug 05 14:41:03 lol Aug 05 14:41:08 s/lol/blabla/ Aug 05 14:41:08 Yoann512 meant: blabla Aug 05 14:41:11 :p Aug 05 14:41:13 * noobmonk3y blinks... trout skin tone... sounds fishy to me....... Aug 05 14:41:14 funny Aug 05 14:41:49 test a test b test Aug 05 14:41:52 s/test/ok/ Aug 05 14:41:53 Yoann512 meant: ok a test b test Aug 05 14:41:56 test a test b test Aug 05 14:41:58 s/test/ok/g Aug 05 14:41:59 Yoann512 meant: ok a ok b ok Aug 05 14:42:01 :pp Aug 05 14:42:17 Haha, I'm officially employed again :D Aug 05 14:42:26 that requires MiniNose2000 (MN2000-MIL - military spec digital nose) addon for the n900 Aug 05 14:42:30 congrats again crashanddie Aug 05 14:42:46 Man it felt good signing those 18 pages worth of contract :D Aug 05 14:43:08 did you read the fine print? Aug 05 14:43:11 has anyone noticed microsd card getting stuck? that is, operations on the card seem to never finish Aug 05 14:43:19 (on n900) Aug 05 14:43:32 it states you need to sign up for MyNokia Aug 05 14:43:45 flux nope Aug 05 14:43:55 but the hildon file manager gets stuck Aug 05 14:44:19 hmm, actually it might be just that screen got stuck :) Aug 05 14:44:38 (now that, after repeating the issue, I finally investigated..) Aug 05 14:45:11 MohammadAG: hehe Aug 05 14:45:16 yep, looks like that.. oh well. it's the fastest way to debug, ask someone. Aug 05 14:45:20 MohammadAG: the fine print also said you're ma bitch :P Aug 05 14:46:55 crashanddie, oh we'll see about that :P Aug 05 14:48:23 right bath time - back in agony again :( Aug 05 14:48:52 So why did qwerty suddenly get a bee in his bonnett? Aug 05 14:49:00 alterego: a hive of bee's :) Aug 05 14:49:18 Yes, and by bonnett I mean pants :) Aug 05 14:49:23 haha ;) Aug 05 14:49:46 I don't get why people are getting so worked up in this community. Aug 05 14:49:59 alterego, cause you're part of it Aug 05 14:50:17 Oh, Aug 05 14:50:35 * alterego sees a future where #maemo is just himself Aug 05 14:50:55 don't forget ChanServ Aug 05 14:51:30 Yeah, and I'll never have ops :) Aug 05 14:51:35 alterego, OMGWTFBBQ!!! THE N900 TITS FULL OF BUGS AND SUXORS. NO APPS TAT OHLLL!!!111!!!! Aug 05 14:51:45 /sarcasim Aug 05 14:51:56 Termana, sometimes you make me want to killall X Aug 05 14:52:19 Hello every one. If u can find time chatting , Why not earn money while chatting!!!!. You can Put som Real Cash into ur Paypal a/c Get Started click here.. http://www.AWSurveys.com/HomeMain.cfm?RefID=munzir Aug 05 14:52:37 !ops GetPaidforFre's Faggotry. Aug 05 14:53:00 ooh Aug 05 14:53:07 meh Aug 05 14:53:09 * MohammadAG backspaces Aug 05 14:53:31 Me and ad bots Aug 05 14:53:35 and chanserv Aug 05 14:54:32 Termana: that doesn't work Aug 05 14:55:38 crashanddie, hmm, I guess I can just say the OC word to get ops attention next time Aug 05 14:55:40 :P Aug 05 14:55:56 Termana: just PM anyone in the /cs access #maemo list Aug 05 14:57:25 So, who's the French villian he moans of? Aug 05 14:59:30 alterego: me Aug 05 15:01:02 Anyone have any nice trick to sort D-pins of USB host port without disassembling the device? I hav Li-ion battery pack with USB port and I need to sort these pins, but this battery pack hasn't got any screws and I don't want to go into glueing... Aug 05 15:01:32 sort the pins? Aug 05 15:01:51 there's only two, I can only imagine you sorting it in two ways: D+ and D- Aug 05 15:02:55 Yes. D-pins together. Aug 05 15:03:51 short them from a cable Aug 05 15:03:52 oh, you mean "short" Aug 05 15:03:57 need to find the reason my N900's boottime sucks Aug 05 15:04:07 MohammadAG: your brain is on overdrive? Aug 05 15:04:18 on rock band, yeah Aug 05 15:04:39 Zucca: sacrifice a USB cable, cut it, and short the wires in it Aug 05 15:05:28 Heh Aug 05 15:05:44 Bored .. Aug 05 15:05:53 Yes. Short. :P I've always thought that is was "sort" not "short". :D Aug 05 15:06:03 MohammadAG, n900 an hero, its the only solution to slow boot times! Aug 05 15:06:29 Termana, +6 minutes is just too much Aug 05 15:06:45 MohammadAG, you think your boot time is bad Aug 05 15:06:48 Look at my ping time Aug 05 15:06:49 Ping reply from hubbard.freenode.net: 52.84 second(s) Aug 05 15:06:53 I think it waits for something and after 5mins it times out. Aug 05 15:07:10 :D I have no clue why it was that. Now its 1 second Aug 05 15:07:45 Yay! Another finn! Aug 05 15:08:01 MohammadAG: why you reboot it at all? Aug 05 15:08:15 slonopotamus_, hmm, well Aug 05 15:08:17 * slonopotamus_ curses his gsm network coverage Aug 05 15:08:21 let's think of a few reasons Aug 05 15:08:24 battery sucks Aug 05 15:08:25 battery sucks Aug 05 15:08:30 oh and, battery sucks Aug 05 15:09:25 MohammadAG, CAUTION: Battery prone to blowing Aug 05 15:09:39 MohammadAG: OC will rescue you :D Aug 05 15:10:44 Termana: battery sucks until it blows? Aug 05 15:11:30 it's called a blow-job Aug 05 15:11:38 LOL Aug 05 15:11:48 :P Aug 05 15:20:38 what is n900's color depth? Aug 05 15:20:44 65k or 16m? Aug 05 15:21:13 x11 uses 16bit, but the diplay is capable of greater depth (and Xvideo YUV mode uses it) Aug 05 15:21:16 that's actually a good question Aug 05 15:21:26 Didn't realize there was a meego sdk Aug 05 15:21:44 i see the depth differences when I switch between YUV and X11 RGB Aug 05 15:22:43 what on earth is Xvideo YUV mode :P? Aug 05 15:23:10 th3hate, the video overlay Aug 05 15:25:05 can i switch to that mode? Aug 05 15:25:13 i wanna see the difference Aug 05 15:25:53 th3hate: does it automagically for video Aug 05 15:26:17 when i play a video it switches to 16m? Aug 05 15:26:18 The desktop and games wont use yuv, it's generally only used for video playback Aug 05 15:26:31 Yes Aug 05 15:29:22 can we trick the screen to make it think device is playing vid all the time :P Aug 05 15:29:50 th3hate, the layout of pixels and color format is completely different Aug 05 15:30:18 why can't maemo use all the 16m? Aug 05 15:30:26 is it a limit that nokia put? Aug 05 15:30:31 or driver problem? Aug 05 15:30:50 The question is probably why doesn't :) Aug 05 15:30:50 th3hate, choice, where is it a problem specifically? Aug 05 15:31:20 if screen is capable of viewing 16m why it doesn't? Aug 05 15:31:59 yprobably memory Aug 05 15:32:02 Whoa. I opened my battery pack now. Damn plastic clips. Although I didn't broke any. :) Now I can short the pins. :) Aug 05 15:32:15 th3hate: cos 24bit is more tough on memory size and takes longer time to pass around Aug 05 15:32:19 ie, less performance Aug 05 15:32:22 at very little benefit Aug 05 15:32:30 th3hate, never said 16m, but the pain of updating 33% more data per frame isnt worth it most of the time Aug 05 15:33:04 some old crappy nokia device like 6120 shows 24bit Aug 05 15:33:14 th3hate: yeah, but their resolution is quite lower too Aug 05 15:33:18 th3hate, sure, at what resolution? Aug 05 15:33:24 heh Aug 05 15:33:28 * lcuk should type faster :P Aug 05 15:33:44 320x240 Aug 05 15:33:48 afaik Aug 05 15:33:51 th3hate: why does it matter anyway? Are you just being a bpp junky? :P Aug 05 15:34:03 nah just wondering Aug 05 15:34:11 wait Aug 05 15:34:15 iphone uses 16m Aug 05 15:34:18 :P Aug 05 15:34:26 at a lower res Aug 05 15:34:27 but resolution is crappy Aug 05 15:34:30 th3hate, since the n900 is 4 times as much - i bet that phone would not handle full speed at that res Aug 05 15:34:58 well iphone4 is 960x620 or something Aug 05 15:35:01 and 16m Aug 05 15:35:09 faster cpu, more memory Aug 05 15:35:29 1ghz cortex A8 Aug 05 15:35:47 not much of a difference Aug 05 15:35:52 n900 can be oc'd too Aug 05 15:35:56 It's almost twice as fast Aug 05 15:36:28 Without increasing voltage to 900MHz. Aug 05 15:36:29 Sure, do it then :P Aug 05 15:36:52 * slonopotamus yawns Aug 05 15:37:37 Zuuccvaries from device to device and that's not the point. At stock settings, recommended by TI and how Nokia designed the N900, it's 6/10 the speed ... Aug 05 15:37:49 ideal mode has increased or decreased voltages? Aug 05 15:38:13 th3hate: decreased (on same freqs as vanilla) Aug 05 15:38:25 ideal is stable at 1100Mhz Aug 05 15:38:26 is there any good reference documentation for hildon? Aug 05 15:38:29 also there are many other things, but iphone4 isnt so fast Aug 05 15:38:37 its just optimised well Aug 05 15:38:47 Mine has been stable running on 1100MHz. Aug 05 15:38:47 And doesn't run as hard Aug 05 15:38:53 and makes good use of the rendering pathway Aug 05 15:38:59 lcuk: indeed Aug 05 15:39:18 Zucca: has been? Aug 05 15:39:19 am trying to show notifications, but have a hard time finding any api documentation Aug 05 15:39:32 elysion_: libosso Aug 05 15:39:53 alterego: isn't that for dbus interfacing? Aug 05 15:40:07 Hahah Aug 05 15:40:08 slonopotamus: Or is, I haven't ran my N900 on 1,1GHz for long... Aug 05 15:40:10 "Ideal" Aug 05 15:40:20 Talk about a good way to kill your device Aug 05 15:40:39 Whether it's "stable" or not has nothing to do with whether you're killing it. Aug 05 15:40:46 queen beecom ftw Aug 05 15:40:48 only oc when needed Aug 05 15:40:49 no, not again Aug 05 15:40:51 Damn... The solarpaner is glued on the USB port solderings... Aug 05 15:40:52 elysion_, libnotify. Aug 05 15:40:57 Zucca: play angry birds or zenbound for 4 hours a day and come back in a couple of weeks :P Aug 05 15:40:58 *solar panel. Aug 05 15:41:31 alterego: I guess I don't want? Aug 05 15:41:42 elysion_, plenty, one such link straight from google http://maemoide.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp?topic=/org.maemo.mica.maemosdk.help.api.c.hildon/api_refs/5.0/hildon/index.html Aug 05 15:43:08 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/ Aug 05 15:43:10 Zucca: that's not the point, you should be able to without jepodising your device. You can't any serious strain, like watching video or playing games, mypaint whatever, will kill your device very quickly at those speeds. Aug 05 15:43:47 hi guys Aug 05 15:43:56 Zucca: not to mention, you're lucky you can make it go that fast, a lot of people start getting issues before that speed. Aug 05 15:44:08 Anyway, overclocking is a boring subject ... Aug 05 15:44:14 Hey Venemo Aug 05 15:44:15 alterego: This is the case of electromigration? Aug 05 15:44:58 Sure, why not. Aug 05 15:44:59 alterego: I've read that 900MHz is safe limit... I guess I shoul set it to max 850MHz... Aug 05 15:45:21 Isn't that what ideal sets? Aug 05 15:45:31 yep 500-850 Aug 05 15:45:39 Then you've not read the important docs, that says 600 is the safe limit ... Aug 05 15:45:50 let one more useless OC discussion begin Aug 05 15:46:12 slonopotamus: I'm already done. ;) Aug 05 15:46:25 slonopotamus, can you suggest another subject..? Aug 05 15:46:26 Thank god for that :) Aug 05 15:47:13 lcuk, GAN900: I'm trying to display a notification with hildon_notification_new(...), but the problem is that I am not able to set the icon for the notification Aug 05 15:47:38 I wrote an app that I saw on android, that just displays a lame scrolling message in a look similar to a LED display Aug 05 15:48:38 Tnough, unlike the android version you can change font and colours. Aug 05 15:49:05 Useless toy app to increase my karma *cough* I bet qwerty is spinning in his grave. Aug 05 15:49:56 alterego: he left maemo, but he ain't dead just yet. Aug 05 15:50:03 oh, trying to create a qt application, so I guess using HildonBanner, HildonNote or HildonCaption could be a bit difficult as the application is not a Gtk application Aug 05 15:50:11 crashanddie: he's dead to me :P Aug 05 15:50:34 elysion_: you can still use 'em Aug 05 15:51:10 Anyhow, I should probably get on. talk to you later folks. Aug 05 15:51:19 yeah, piss off :P Aug 05 15:51:37 I've run my PC OCd for three years now with no issues. Just saying that with any luck you might be able to run N900 at 900MHz for years. Aug 05 15:52:05 But it's no use crying about it if you fry your device :) Aug 05 15:52:24 years? probably not Aug 05 15:52:27 months maybe Aug 05 15:53:21 i've been running it on 850mhz for 5 months, all good so far Aug 05 15:53:29 but im sure it may just turn off any second :P Aug 05 15:53:43 alterego: any guesses why the icons are not showing with hildon_notification_new? Aug 05 15:53:50 the notification displays just fine Aug 05 15:54:20 was looking for the documentation for that api so that I could check what the parameters are Aug 05 15:55:16 I'm actually tempted to ban overclocking discussions from #maemo. Those who want it know it exists, and those who don't shouldn't. Aug 05 15:55:42 And the only thing we hear is always "Moo, mine is running at 15terrahertz omg lol wtf" Aug 05 15:56:16 alterego: currently I have "tasklaunch_media_player" as the third parameter and "media" as the fourth, but it still does not display the icon Aug 05 15:56:20 http://pastebin.com/7NGMkBR4 Aug 05 15:56:23 I've never heard any substantiated proof that the overclocking actually brings anything useful to the phone (other than the psychological buttplug that people get from it) Aug 05 15:56:31 alterego: I think he left Aug 05 15:56:33 err Aug 05 15:56:37 elysion_: I think alterego left. Aug 05 15:56:45 oh :/ Aug 05 15:56:53 < alterego> Anyhow, I should probably get on. talk to you later folks. Aug 05 15:56:57 aa Aug 05 15:56:58 ok Aug 05 15:57:00 danr Aug 05 15:57:02 *darn Aug 05 15:57:28 hard to believe that there is no documentation for the api :( Aug 05 15:57:53 Fools Aug 05 15:58:04 elysion_: what API? Aug 05 15:58:23 Because your Core 2 is overclocked, doesn't measn you can overclocked your N900 safely. Aug 05 15:58:57 Slashdot having 4 dupes, nice: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/3585/screenshot20100805at175.png Aug 05 15:58:59 Venemo: documentation for the hildon_notification_new function Aug 05 15:59:02 "Well, I turbo charged my Subaru to 400HP no problem, so clearly my Geo will do twice the HP easy, too." Aug 05 15:59:11 elysion: I can help you with that. Aug 05 15:59:18 Venemo: nice :) Aug 05 16:00:11 elysion_: are you creating a mainly Qt-based or a mostly Gtk-based application? Aug 05 16:00:20 qt-based Aug 05 16:00:37 elysion_: you are lucky. :) Aug 05 16:01:15 tried also the QMaemo5InformationBox class, but that looked all different Aug 05 16:01:35 elysion_: I did all the hard work for you Aug 05 16:01:38 elysion_: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54815 Aug 05 16:02:17 elysion_: that is a bit old source code, I have since updated it somewhere Aug 05 16:03:32 Venemo: that looks nice :). will dig into it, thanks! Aug 05 16:03:49 elysion_: just hit the Thanks! button for good ol' Venemo! :P Aug 05 16:04:32 elysion_: that code only uses libnotify. later I updated it to use hildon-notify Aug 05 16:04:56 elysion_: if you have 15 minutes, I can hand you the updated source Aug 05 16:06:02 Venemo: sure Aug 05 16:06:39 elysion_: although if you don't need to call a D-Bus method when the notifications are clicked, this stuff will be enough for your needs Aug 05 16:07:11 Venemo: might be that I will need to Aug 05 16:09:13 Soldering done. Tested. Works like a charm. \o/ Aug 05 16:09:25 elysion_: if you want your app to do anything when the user clicks on the bubble, you will need it. Aug 05 16:10:20 ok, well, then I definately need that Aug 05 16:13:10 elysion_: you'll need to familiarize yourself with QtDbus at least a little bit for that Aug 05 16:14:34 Venemo: have used it in another project Aug 05 16:15:45 elysion_: okay :) Aug 05 16:16:31 elysion_: I was thinking about creating a signal-slot wrapper for it, but I decided to stay with the simpler implementation Aug 05 16:17:13 if it works then simple is just fine :) Aug 05 16:19:25 Venemo: hey, nice, the example already displays an icon :) Aug 05 16:19:48 elysion_: yep, that is supported by libnotify itself Aug 05 16:20:01 elysion_: if your app has an installed icon, that's fine for this stuff, too Aug 05 16:20:14 elysion_: the example uses some default icon, if I remember correctly Aug 05 16:20:20 yeah Aug 05 16:21:01 MohammadAG51, you submitted latest liqbase stuff to ubuntu repos? Aug 05 16:21:33 and screenshots of liqcalendar on x86 12" touchscreen please Aug 05 16:21:40 errr not screenshots, photos Aug 05 16:21:47 (hold your tablet against the wall please..) Aug 05 16:22:38 Venemo: any idea where the libnotify searches for the icons? Aug 05 16:23:34 elysion_: in the exact places where you should put your icons for your .desktop files Aug 05 16:23:58 elysion_: /usr/share/pixmaps works for me Aug 05 16:24:07 aa, ok Aug 05 16:49:10 * RST38h wonders what mischief to commit tonight Aug 05 16:51:14 RST38h: build a DVB audio hijacker, that allows you to remix messages in the audio stream of your neighbours Aug 05 16:51:40 no dvb-t here Aug 05 16:51:53 hm, is there a repo for mono? Aug 05 16:51:58 for the n900 that is Aug 05 16:54:53 whats the difference between fremantle and diablo? Aug 05 16:55:07 diablo is for n800/n810 Aug 05 16:55:10 fremantle is for n900 Aug 05 16:55:13 aha ok cool Aug 05 16:55:31 fremantle uses a newly broken gtk+, supports unified messaging, cell phone, etc Aug 05 16:55:44 fremantle is finger oriented while diablo is stylus oriented Aug 05 16:55:47 newly broken? Aug 05 16:55:51 what did they do again? Aug 05 16:56:14 Corsac: Many things, starting with dialog box layouts Aug 05 16:56:33 oh I took that “newly” for “recently” Aug 05 16:56:51 broken since diablo that is Aug 05 16:57:42 it is not broken, just optimized for finger use Aug 05 16:58:31 bah, somehow if i try to apt-get install from the console it always returns that it cant lock Aug 05 16:58:39 HAM running? Aug 05 16:58:44 ham? Aug 05 16:58:51 application manager Aug 05 16:59:07 no dont think so Aug 05 16:59:33 start end quit HAM Aug 05 16:59:35 im in the desktop now without apps opened. logged in from another machine and trying apt there Aug 05 16:59:42 start and quit HAM Aug 05 16:59:43 as root? Aug 05 16:59:56 Venemo: it is broken for god know what reason Aug 05 17:00:00 finger use it is not, Aug 05 17:00:32 RST38h: okay, in what sense is it broken? :) Aug 05 17:00:49 Corsac: ehm, logged in as another user, then sudo gainroot Aug 05 17:01:09 or root Aug 05 17:01:22 id? Aug 05 17:02:03 if i try to su root from the ssh user, it returns su: must be suid to work properly Aug 05 17:02:17 siply "root" Aug 05 17:02:30 short for sudo gainroot Aug 05 17:02:34 Venemo: wasteful use of screen estate Aug 05 17:02:44 Venemo: incompatibility with generic Gtk+ dialogs Aug 05 17:03:09 RST38h: well, the first argument is a matter of opinion. Aug 05 17:03:17 Venemo: various small differences from default widget behaviour that require tweaking code specifically for fremantle Aug 05 17:03:21 Venemo: It is not Aug 05 17:03:24 messybox has no proper su Aug 05 17:03:25 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/246402/ Aug 05 17:03:25 RST38h: I can't talk about the second one, though Aug 05 17:03:38 Venemo: Simply check how much empty space a fremantle dialog has Aug 05 17:03:40 RST38h: for that matter, this applies to Qt, too Aug 05 17:03:45 Venemo: No "opinion" there Aug 05 17:04:11 * RST38h has no preference between qt and gtk+, so no holy war here Aug 05 17:04:24 RST38h: any application needs to be tweaked to work correctly Aug 05 17:04:25 , are you root? Aug 05 17:04:31 Venemo: Not really. Aug 05 17:04:37 what is id saying? Aug 05 17:04:46 RST38h: the more advanced stuff does Aug 05 17:04:53 Venemo: Again, not really Aug 05 17:04:56 uid=30004(jeroen) gid=30006(jeroen) Aug 05 17:05:00 Depends on how it is written and what it does Aug 05 17:05:03 phrearch: please execute "id" Aug 05 17:05:29 RST38h: well, if you wanna show the menu of a QMainWindow, it is only achieveable by a hack Aug 05 17:05:31 There are many cases when people recompiled gtk+ apps for diablo with hardly any changes and the stuff was perfectly usable Aug 05 17:05:48 that's not exactly root 0, this jereon 30006 Aug 05 17:05:55 Venemo: Sorry, I am not familiar with Qt hacking. Generally trying to avoid hacks in my code. Aug 05 17:06:03 indeed, but sudo should work? Aug 05 17:06:10 hey everyone Aug 05 17:06:13 RST38h: its show() method is simply not working on Maemo, without any real explanation about why Aug 05 17:06:26 phrearch: try execute 'root' Aug 05 17:06:47 DocScrutinizer: no result Aug 05 17:07:02 phrearch: are you sure you installed pkg rootsh Aug 05 17:07:03 ? Aug 05 17:07:41 yes, i got that one installed Aug 05 17:07:43 Venemo: Well, as I said, Nokia is breaking things left and right Aug 05 17:07:51 strange Aug 05 17:08:00 Venemo: But you should take it to Qt Mobility people Aug 05 17:08:10 RST38h: it is not part of Qt Mobility Aug 05 17:08:11 phrearch sudo gainroot ? Aug 05 17:08:13 ssh root@127.0.0.1 Aug 05 17:08:31 RST38h: on #qt-maemo they said that this is by design, period. Aug 05 17:08:41 ZogG: see pastebin Aug 05 17:08:51 RST38h: I didn't wanna aruge about whether it is broken or not, just wanted to know why do you think it is :) Aug 05 17:08:53 DocScrutinizer, where? Aug 05 17:09:05 yea, same locally on the n900 and from the remote ssh Aug 05 17:09:48 phrearch try to uninstall it and than install again Aug 05 17:09:55 phrearch: I bet yu're not ssh to N900 Aug 05 17:10:02 ah wait, it works locally but not remotely Aug 05 17:10:03 phrearch: that's other machine Aug 05 17:10:11 phrearch, when you get root youll see some msg or at least you'll have # instead of $ Aug 05 17:10:39 yea, when i login, i get into busybox Aug 05 17:10:58 Hi guys ! Aug 05 17:10:59 * Khertan_ is fightinh the QListView Aug 05 17:11:08 * Khertan_ is fighting with the QListView Aug 05 17:11:23 weird thing is that gainroot seems to work properly from local, but not from ssh Aug 05 17:11:36 Khertan_: what is your issue? Aug 05 17:11:40 id returns root locally, but sshed from another user it fails Aug 05 17:11:49 phrearch: SSH as root, problem solved Aug 05 17:11:50 the paste is from local or eremote? Aug 05 17:11:52 Heya Khertan Aug 05 17:12:12 phrearch, maybe you have to config ssh =) Aug 05 17:12:58 phrearch: that's other machine Aug 05 17:13:07 When apt-get install prints "Ign" for a repository, what does it mean? Aug 05 17:13:07 Venemo: i wanted to prevent that since it requires me to set a pw for root. i dont know if that results in weird results in maeo Aug 05 17:13:09 maemo Aug 05 17:13:10 phrearch: do 'ls' Aug 05 17:13:16 Sorry, apt-get update? Aug 05 17:13:21 Venenom i didn t understand the concept and the purpose :) Aug 05 17:13:21 Venenom i wanted to display a list of tweet with their icon Aug 05 17:13:25 in a QListView but in fact it doesn t look like the best widget to do that Aug 05 17:13:43 phrearch: there's no uid=30004(jeroen) gid=30006(jeroen) usually on maemo Aug 05 17:13:48 phrearch: it doesn't result in anything bad Aug 05 17:13:53 RST38h: that it doesn't need to update because the local repository is up2date Aug 05 17:14:10 Khertan_: I'm not "Venenom", but I can help you :) Aug 05 17:14:24 DocScrutinizer: no i made that user so i can login from my remote linux box Aug 05 17:14:25 damnit Aug 05 17:14:30 200000 new android devices every day Aug 05 17:15:03 if i login with that user, gainroot just seems to fail, thats why it reports the locking thing. just not sure why su root fails Aug 05 17:15:07 Corsac: so that is ok, nothing to worry about? Aug 05 17:15:20 phrearch: well, if you log in with root, you don't need gainroot anymore Aug 05 17:15:20 ah sorry the n900 keyboard miss a tab ( and a larger display) Aug 05 17:15:20 :) Aug 05 17:15:25 crashanddie: feeling threatened or what? Aug 05 17:15:38 Khertan_: np. Aug 05 17:15:47 Venemo: i want to prevent adding a root password Aug 05 17:15:51 phrearch: haha :D sure this user jereon has rights to do gainroot in /etc/sudoers? Aug 05 17:15:52 sorry, food Aug 05 17:15:55 RST38h: not threathened, just amazed Aug 05 17:15:58 RST38h: yep Aug 05 17:15:58 phrearch: yes, but why? Aug 05 17:16:00 DocScrutinizer: good one! Aug 05 17:16:03 ill check Aug 05 17:16:10 sorry, brb Aug 05 17:16:12 crashanddie : 200000 brick every days sold ? Aug 05 17:16:37 Khertan_: no, manufactured. Aug 05 17:17:00 crashanddie: it is the new WinMobile Aug 05 17:17:33 Venemo : If i want to display a list of tweet with there icon and text ... what is the better qwidget to use ? (no qwebkit isn t a real widget :)) Aug 05 17:17:44 s/there/their Aug 05 17:18:00 andridiot, pfffffrrrt Aug 05 17:18:38 what concerns me the most about android is the need to associate it to a google account Aug 05 17:18:49 qt doc lack of picture of the widget in QtGui Aug 05 17:18:51 most amazing thing about andridiot is it works and sells *nevertheless* Aug 05 17:18:52 I think there's no way to use it without that Aug 05 17:19:09 Corsac: like for an iphone ... Aug 05 17:19:20 weel, just like google desktop search did Aug 05 17:19:24 but they ask also for a credit card on iphone Aug 05 17:19:36 well* Aug 05 17:19:53 Khertan_: you need a google account for the iphone? Aug 05 17:19:57 :) Aug 05 17:19:59 Doc: so did winmo Aug 05 17:20:11 *cough* Aug 05 17:20:16 Khertan_: the same thing concerns me about itunes Aug 05 17:20:25 Khertan_: well, a bit more since I don't have a way to run itunes Aug 05 17:20:37 Corsac: do not buy and use apple products nd you won't have this problem Aug 05 17:20:58 RST38h: that's the point, you know? Aug 05 17:21:12 RST38h: sell - yes. Work? Nooooooo, buddy, nooooo Aug 05 17:21:49 RST38h: I was just saying that the stuff which concerns me first and make me not want to buy an android or an iphone (despite their potential technical merits) is that need to associate to google account or itunes Aug 05 17:21:50 true Aug 05 17:22:13 Corsac: Google account I can more or less tolerate Aug 05 17:22:51 Khertan_: you could use QListWidget Aug 05 17:22:56 why should I need to register for a mail account which I won't use? Aug 05 17:22:57 Corsac: But there is no way I am joining the jobsian cult. These people are weird at best, mentally sick at worst Aug 05 17:23:02 well, mail and everything :/ Aug 05 17:23:03 Khertan_: but #qt-maemo is a better place for this Aug 05 17:23:11 even *I* have a google account. And I checked 1 week ago, it didn't expire in the 2 years I forgot about it :-P Aug 05 17:23:37 yeah, I have a google account too (not associated to a gmail account), but I don't really use it either Aug 05 17:23:56 but maybe there are some android-related services which make sense to be associated to an account Aug 05 17:24:01 I just don't know them, tbh Aug 05 17:24:13 Khertan_, same applies for qt as it did for gtk and as it does for other stuff Aug 05 17:24:20 and the fact that I need to associate before even being able to use the phone is a bit scary Aug 05 17:24:21 find a custom renderer that does what you need Aug 05 17:24:39 (facebrick afaik has a nice list with pics and text ..) Aug 05 17:24:54 duh, maybe I can sync N900 to >>>gooogle<<< :-o Aug 05 17:25:06 meh Aug 05 17:25:23 Khertan_: it depends on how much of a custom look you want to have Aug 05 17:25:47 i frackin hate google. I'm not sure why though. Aug 05 17:26:03 Mece_: because they are evil Aug 05 17:26:07 Mece_: I hate them, too Aug 05 17:26:30 how do you feel about Apple, Venemo? Aug 05 17:26:32 Khertan_, Qlister uses a QListWidget. It's pretty custom. Aug 05 17:26:43 MohammadAG51 tricked me into testing that wave thing (hate him for that :-P ) Aug 05 17:26:43 mgedmin: they are just greedy Aug 05 17:27:20 (not really) Aug 05 17:27:24 Venemo, I hate google because people don't seem to understand how evil they are, and google pretend to be not evil, whereas apple are pretty upfront about their evilness. Aug 05 17:28:01 Mece_: agreed Aug 05 17:28:25 Mece_: ack Aug 05 17:28:26 Mece_: Google steals and deceives people wherever they can Aug 05 17:28:31 how do I autocomplete irc nicks in xterm on N900? Aug 05 17:28:45 Mece_: try shift-space Aug 05 17:29:03 and guess you meant xchat? Aug 05 17:29:21 yeah. but it didn't work with shiftspace Aug 05 17:30:08 then config prefs-hotkeys to do nick completion on shift-space :-) Aug 05 17:30:28 lmgtfy err pastebin for you, err Aug 05 17:32:04 .xchat2/keybindings.conf Aug 05 17:32:08 S Aug 05 17:32:09 space Aug 05 17:32:11 Complete nick/command Aug 05 17:32:12 D1:Up Aug 05 17:32:14 D2! Aug 05 17:34:24 wtf? ok.. hold on. Aug 05 17:35:10 Mece_: STOP!! xchat Aug 05 17:35:17 i.e. quit it Aug 05 17:35:29 then edit above said file Aug 05 17:35:41 with editor of your choice Aug 05 17:35:42 ok.. Aug 05 17:35:47 and? Aug 05 17:35:59 should I add the lines you wrote? Aug 05 17:36:01 find S\nspace Aug 05 17:36:25 if not there then add, to end of file maybe Aug 05 17:36:46 if S\nspace is there, then edit Aug 05 17:36:54 there is no s space. only regular space. Aug 05 17:37:00 ok so then I add. Aug 05 17:37:48 watch upper/lower case! Aug 05 17:38:28 yeps Aug 05 17:38:29 ok brb. Aug 05 17:39:14 DocScrutinizer, didn't work. Aug 05 17:39:33 * DocScrutinizer wonders if mece has gotten the bit about *first* quitting xchat, *then* editing file Aug 05 17:40:10 DocScrutinizer, I got it. well I edited, then quit, then saved. Aug 05 17:40:35 hmm, ok. *maybe* should have worked then Aug 05 17:40:46 that file is mega critical with format Aug 05 17:41:05 ok, brb again. Aug 05 17:41:31 feck Aug 05 17:41:39 xchat writes back config on egular quit Aug 05 17:41:40 some typo or something... Aug 05 17:41:46 got an error Aug 05 17:41:56 hold on. Aug 05 17:42:56 DocScrutinizer, buggerit. no error, but it doesn't work either. Aug 05 17:43:02 HP Lovecraft Historical Soc.Dagon Tabernacle Choir - Mi-Go We Have Heard On High Aug 05 17:43:32 Mece_: the xchat "preferences, advanced, keybindings" config dialog is fubar, but you *can* use it as well for that Aug 05 17:43:45 ok.. checking Aug 05 17:43:45 I did, with success Aug 05 17:45:19 Mece_: probably you should find "Complete nick/command" in keybindings.conf and *edit* that entry, rather than add a new one Aug 05 17:45:41 or use menu in xchat :-P Aug 05 17:46:08 it's like the 12th entry from beginning, at least for me Aug 05 17:46:47 you an tell from details at bottom, while jumping down the highlighted line one by one Aug 05 17:47:32 DocScrutinizer, yay! Aug 05 17:47:59 DocScrutinizer, oh didn't notice that last message but got it working anyway. Aug 05 17:48:09 DocScrutinizer, thanks. Aug 05 17:48:09 ¸o/ Aug 05 17:48:17 yw Aug 05 17:49:08 whats the downspeed limit on this thing on 3G? Aug 05 17:49:12 aah, and never do shift-vol+, it segfaults XP Aug 05 17:49:26 XP? Aug 05 17:49:31 ;-P Aug 05 17:49:35 X-P Aug 05 17:49:47 :D Aug 05 17:50:16 10.2 Aug 05 17:50:17 Should say on the back Aug 05 17:50:22 Or did at one point. Aug 05 17:50:44 sure says somewhere in general specs in web Aug 05 17:50:56 I get 150kbytes/s max Aug 05 17:50:58 here Aug 05 17:51:28 which reminds me. Aug 05 17:51:32 sounds like mediocre EDGE Aug 05 17:51:47 SpeedEvil: seen my edits? Aug 05 17:51:50 wait, edge can't do more than 25 kB/s Aug 05 17:51:52 n Aug 05 17:51:54 no Aug 05 17:52:10 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Keyboard Aug 05 17:52:46 ah Aug 05 17:52:50 SpeedEvil: feel fee to move to Hardware_keyboard or whatever you feel might look better that what I did Aug 05 17:53:10 I need to make another pass throughthe lot of docs. Aug 05 17:53:29 it'll never be 'finished' :-D Aug 05 17:53:30 GAN900, well then I've got good speed here. Torrented linux mint 9 kde edition live dvd with 900kb/s average :) Aug 05 17:53:43 but.. Aug 05 17:53:55 SpeedEvil: DAMN GOOD WORK! Aug 05 17:54:23 who the f*** assigns QA testers? Aug 05 17:54:41 SpeedEvil: Nokia should have paid you for that. In the end it would have been *their* damn duty to do that Aug 05 17:55:07 Speed is still way more network dependent. Aug 05 17:56:40 ohla GAN900 Aug 05 18:00:00 MohammadAG: that would be me Aug 05 18:00:10 seriously? Aug 05 18:00:14 no Aug 05 18:00:27 ~trout MohammadAG Aug 05 18:00:29 * infobot slaps MohammadAG around a bit with a large trout! Aug 05 18:00:55 ~kill DocScrutinizer Aug 05 18:00:57 * infobot shoots a super-inverse pseudoneutron gun at DocScrutinizer Aug 05 18:01:22 * DocScrutinizer eats pseudoneutrons for breakfast Aug 05 18:01:30 3G (UMTS) can do up to 1.5 Mbit/s, 3.5G (HSPA) can do up to 7.5 Mbit/s Aug 05 18:01:31 IIRC Aug 05 18:01:40 wasn't it 7.2? Aug 05 18:01:45 speedtest.net shows 8.5 xD Aug 05 18:01:56 150 kbytes/s looks like 1.5 MBit/s to me Aug 05 18:03:23 yeah, wikipedia says 7.2 Mbit/s for HSDPA, typically, although some places can do up to 42 Mbit/s (wow) Aug 05 18:03:42 my data plan is 0.5 Mbit/s ... Aug 05 18:04:01 dudes... Aug 05 18:04:08 get a head Aug 05 18:04:10 HSPA, max. Datenübertragungsgeschwindigkeit 10 MBit/s (Herunterladen)/2 MBit/s (Hochladen) Aug 05 18:04:18 http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=6958534&cache=-1666254496§ion_id=562&culture=de-DE Aug 05 18:04:41 German? Aug 05 18:04:47 Who reads German? Aug 05 18:04:54 GAN900: I do Aug 05 18:04:55 me? Aug 05 18:05:02 Dirty liars. Aug 05 18:05:18 GAN900: you're free to vivit shop.nokia.com Aug 05 18:05:25 GAN900: you're american, that's a synonym for "mono-linguistic" Aug 05 18:05:54 and apparently not a chrome user :) Aug 05 18:05:59 the auto-translate thing is neat. Aug 05 18:06:26 hey i found out how to get rid of a lot of n900 noise in dark pics - pull down the curve of the blue.... Aug 05 18:06:37 i guess that's a bit obvious, but it works nicely Aug 05 18:08:44 DocScrutinizer, what was the good work Speedevil did? Aug 05 18:08:58 Mece_: cocksucking Aug 05 18:09:12 wiki/Hardware_* Aug 05 18:09:12 crashanddie, nice. Aug 05 18:09:22 Mece_: you have no idea how nice :D Aug 05 18:09:57 crashanddie: stfu and take Ur pills Aug 05 18:10:15 Muwhahahaha Aug 05 18:12:15 crashanddie: lemme put it that way: what was *your* great contribution to the community - except insulting people for nothing? Aug 05 18:12:31 wow wow wow, it was a joke Aug 05 18:12:50 DocScrutinizer, happens when you don't closely border many non-English-speaking countries, I guess. Aug 05 18:13:57 DocScrutinizer51, good faith, good faith. Aug 05 18:14:41 hey there's the Niklas whatshisface Q&A on twitter right fn now :) Aug 05 18:16:13 oh oops. it's over apparently. oh well. Aug 05 18:19:06 @twittison: @NiklasatNokia When exactly you will bring 1st MeeGo? Aug 05 18:19:07 @twittison a major product milestone by the end of the year Aug 05 18:19:15 hmm. Aug 05 18:19:28 It's a typo. Aug 05 18:19:43 The E344 millstone. Aug 05 18:19:50 quadband flour mill. Aug 05 18:26:07 so, I'm running the power kernel on my PR1.2 N900, but it still won't get an IPv6 address on my wlan? it assigns LL to both lo and wlan0. Pathetic part is that the iOS4 ipod touch my girlfriend has works without problems :( Aug 05 18:26:42 anyone have any ideas what might be wrong? Aug 05 18:28:25 SwedeMike: maybe the module isn't loaded? Aug 05 18:29:36 hm, where is the insert key on the n900? Aug 05 18:29:39 mikki-kun: then I don't see why it would show link local address in ifconfig? Aug 05 18:29:46 need to write something in vim Aug 05 18:30:13 phrearch, press I Aug 05 18:30:29 phrearch: doesn't have one, you need to go to the top bar and then do that via drop-down menu Aug 05 18:30:38 ah thanks Aug 05 18:31:39 mikki-kun: the module is loaded anyway. Aug 05 18:32:12 hm... ok, just to rule out the most obvious ^^''' happens for me all the time Aug 05 18:33:01 it even says "wlan0: no IPv6 routers present" Aug 05 18:33:06 is there a mono repos available? Aug 05 18:33:20 i found http://www.torosoft.com/mono-maemo5/dists/fremantle/binary/binary-armel/ , but not sure if thats a trusted resource Aug 05 18:33:31 all my other devices that do IPv6 (ipod touch, ubuntu box, win7 box) do IPv6 just fine on my wifi Aug 05 18:34:11 SwedeMike: why do you need IPv6? Aug 05 18:34:28 SwedeMike: it's not like your wifi will ever have to serve more than 4 billion users at once Aug 05 18:34:30 Hi Aug 05 18:34:35 johnsq: hi Aug 05 18:35:42 Venemo: well, I guess you can wait since you don't see the point of it. Aug 05 18:36:11 so back to ipv6, my cisco router sees the n900 in its LL neighbor cache, but for some reason the N900 doesn't do SLAAC Aug 05 18:36:16 Hello everyone, i've got a problem and i hope you can help me. I'm on holyday and i was sharing my internet connection using joikuspot. then some error occured and my dad just closed everything and shut down the device to remove the sim-card and put it into his device... now when i boot the device i cannot start any application and the status area stays empty :/ i can not do anything on the device itself. is there any way i could poss Aug 05 18:37:10 hm, is there another command on the N900 fairly standard P1.2 that gives me equivalent of "ip -6 neighbor list" ? Aug 05 18:37:47 danley: can you ssh into the device? Aug 05 18:38:09 pupnik: sadly no :/ Aug 05 18:38:31 i'd reflash then Aug 05 18:39:11 that was my idea too, but i'm having trouble to download the image over the 3G connection here :/ Aug 05 18:40:39 if joikuspot made something weired with the kernel is there a way to just download the kernel and load it like you would load the meego kernel i've tested? with flasher? Aug 05 18:41:54 afaik joikuspot doesn't touch the kernel, it installs a loadable module Aug 05 18:43:28 ehm, what extra repositories can be enabled savely? Aug 05 18:44:33 all of them, as long as you don't install anything from them ;) Aug 05 18:45:00 ok :) Aug 05 18:45:02 for a long time my goal was to have no 3rd party repositories enabled, just maemo extras + all the builtin ones Aug 05 18:45:05 i was looking for git Aug 05 18:45:19 in the end I gave up and added extras-testing, extras-devel, and sdk/tools Aug 05 18:45:22 want to install opensim on the n900 Aug 05 18:45:38 those testing and devel seem unstable Aug 05 18:46:06 phrearch, git is stable though. just enable whatever repo you need for git, and then disable. Aug 05 18:46:26 ok, maybe its in testing Aug 05 18:46:35 phrearch, it's in extras actually Aug 05 18:46:40 no sorry Aug 05 18:47:14 phrearch, only devel. just enable, apt-get install git-core and disable. Aug 05 18:47:20 ok cool Aug 05 18:47:47 ham is a bit slow when having devel and testing enabled Aug 05 18:47:53 apparently there's a git gui,but I haven't tested. If core is ok then use it. Aug 05 18:48:02 does it update the repos list on each visit? Aug 05 18:48:08 ok thanks Aug 05 18:48:56 "a bit slow" ha ha ha ha you kill me Aug 05 18:50:26 i wish i could figure out why mobile hotspot won't pass-through data Aug 05 18:51:11 pupnik: what mobile hotspot? Aug 05 18:51:56 "mobile hotspot" for n900 Aug 05 18:52:11 pupnik: doesn't it require a special kernel or something? Aug 05 18:52:20 is there anything i can do with the usb-cable alone? Aug 05 18:52:34 to fix or at least identify the issue? Aug 05 18:52:51 alterego, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/frozen-bubble/2.2.0-1maemo4-1/ kthxbye Aug 05 18:53:35 yes crashanddie Aug 05 18:53:46 danley: well, I'm afraid you need console access to enable the usb networking Aug 05 18:54:18 you could do that if you have a bootmenu w/ backupmenu installed Aug 05 18:54:26 danley, well,, maybe stating the obvious but did you try ctrlshift-x? Aug 05 18:54:56 mece: was going to advise that, but considering that there was no icons in the menu bar Aug 05 18:55:14 danley: even more obvious: have you tried rebooting? Aug 05 18:55:32 yes Aug 05 18:55:35 it reboots to the home screen Aug 05 18:55:39 hmm Aug 05 18:55:47 R&D, shoot the lifeguard Aug 05 18:55:57 i even can go into the menu Aug 05 18:55:59 but as soon as a click on an icon Aug 05 18:56:06 the system freezes Aug 05 18:56:10 shoot the damn lifeguard Aug 05 18:56:17 hmm Aug 05 18:56:21 it doesn't reboot? Aug 05 18:58:00 aww damn Aug 05 18:58:07 ? Aug 05 18:58:18 i did sth stupid now.... i figured out pressing the on/ogg button works Aug 05 18:58:24 and i enabled the offline mode Aug 05 18:58:30 and rebooted then Aug 05 18:58:49 now it asks wherther i want to disable offline mode while booting Aug 05 18:58:55 but i can't press yes/no Aug 05 18:59:09 take out the sim, could be helpful Aug 05 18:59:21 hmm Aug 05 18:59:41 and when i use the switch on the side to disable the screen and enable it again the screen shows the oving dots animation Aug 05 18:59:59 the sim is out Aug 05 19:00:40 hm, which browser on the n900 supports webgl? Aug 05 19:00:48 want to test http://www.iquilezles.org/apps/shadertoy/ Aug 05 19:00:51 PR1.2 right? Aug 05 19:00:58 but the same thing happens with sim card Aug 05 19:01:18 MohammadAG51: yes Aug 05 19:02:17 ah, microb seems to support it Aug 05 19:02:45 flash this http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/zImage-fb-omap1.bin Aug 05 19:02:59 could be useful to see where the problem is, if it shows before X starts Aug 05 19:03:05 jacekowski: ping Aug 05 19:03:47 madhav: pong Aug 05 19:04:06 hey facing issues with chrome build on maemo Aug 05 19:04:09 getting error ld --no-poison-directories no options Aug 05 19:04:21 with gold linker Aug 05 19:04:25 use my package Aug 05 19:04:40 or take a look at patches Aug 05 19:04:47 im building it from source.. Aug 05 19:04:55 where r the patches? Aug 05 19:06:15 i think SBOX_EXTRA_CROSS_COMPILER_ARGS=-wno-poison... Aug 05 19:06:21 is the cause for it Aug 05 19:06:33 frak! gaddam google!!! Aug 05 19:06:56 jacejowski: can i have the link for patches Aug 05 19:07:05 I do not want to see google.com in the bottom bar of my firefox when I'm not on a google site. Aug 05 19:07:07 grr argh! Aug 05 19:08:07 hm, has the n900 801.11g or b? Aug 05 19:08:40 phrearch: it has both Aug 05 19:08:48 ah ok nice Aug 05 19:09:26 ok guys, i'll try to download the image and if it's not working i'll just live with it and wait till i get home... still you're an awesome community! thanks! Aug 05 19:10:55 max dl speed seems to be around 150 k or something though Aug 05 19:11:21 802.11g Aug 05 19:11:45 I've seen megabits on it (speedtest.net in microB) Aug 05 19:12:05 actual downloads of files are limited by eMMC write speed, I think Aug 05 19:12:20 and scp is a whole another kettle of fish (CPU bottlenecks for encryption, small window sizes) Aug 05 19:12:35 emmc? Aug 05 19:14:06 the 32 GB of flash memory in a n900 Aug 05 19:14:13 ah ok Aug 05 19:14:29 it also has a faster 256 MB NAND device for the root file system Aug 05 19:14:29 so, i should install a flash card? Aug 05 19:14:56 I dunno, actually... Aug 05 19:15:49 oki, so for so upon further investigation it seems the N900 has problems processing IPv6 frames. I see responses in tcpdump but it never populates the neighbour cache. So it sends NS, gets NA back but doesn't seem to do anything about these NAs. Aug 05 19:17:07 ok thanks. will look at it later. i call it a day. tv time :) Aug 05 19:17:10 bye Aug 05 19:17:33 SwedeMike: using kernel-power? Aug 05 19:17:53 Corsac: yes. Aug 05 19:19:57 where can i activate the tv out? i'm feeling really stupid, im not finding it :S Aug 05 19:20:24 <_llll_> dont think it needs "activating", just plug something into it Aug 05 19:20:31 ok Aug 05 19:25:47 GNU\caust1c: make sure you select the right "TV out" in Settings Aug 05 19:26:01 yep Aug 05 19:26:57 other than that, it's really just litterally "plug and play" Aug 05 19:28:24 unless you happen to be infront of an audience \@/ Aug 05 19:32:48 madhav1: in my svn Aug 05 19:33:15 mgedmin: thing is that encryption could be made really fast on n900 Aug 05 19:33:23 mgedmin: because cpu has hardware support for it Aug 05 19:33:48 yes, well, the n8x0 hardware has support for 3d accel ... Aug 05 19:34:23 i have to harras ti to get datasheets for it from them Aug 05 19:34:24 lcuk: yeah, that was horribly painful Aug 05 19:34:51 lcuk: nerves of steel, btw, to keep going without it Aug 05 19:35:08 bah i barely managed anything Aug 05 19:35:18 * lcuk will do better next time something crops up Aug 05 19:35:31 well, you held your speech, you didn't just storm off the stage Aug 05 19:35:33 jacekowski: i need to diff and check whole tree> Aug 05 19:36:10 madhav1: no, you can ask repository for it Aug 05 19:36:47 crashanddie, reasonable enough Aug 05 19:37:02 * lcuk will have to do it in a way that it doesnt matter which machine i use next time Aug 05 19:37:13 and so others can test hardware ;) Aug 05 19:37:23 MohammadAG51, did you go through with submission? Aug 05 19:37:34 and did oyu manage to take a pic of liqcalendar on your 12incher Aug 05 19:37:51 hmm, i didn't submit to the repos, i'll leave that to you Aug 05 19:38:05 i'll take a pic when it finishes charging from 0 to 100 Aug 05 19:38:06 hmmm good Aug 05 19:38:09 so wheres the x86 patch :P Aug 05 19:38:10 shouldn't take 15 mins Aug 05 19:38:14 xP Aug 05 19:38:15 jacekowski: how im a begginner in svn..so dont know much abt it.. Aug 05 19:38:21 lcuk: I can run it on a 13" if you want Aug 05 19:38:28 lcuk: or an 86", whichever you prefer Aug 05 19:38:30 lcuk: SBOX_EXTRA_CROSS_COMPILER_ARGS=-wno-poison. do u know anything abt it Aug 05 19:38:47 well crashanddie MohammadAG51 is going to get the tiny makefile patch to me Aug 05 19:39:15 and then sometime tonight have to suss out how to make it build using one -D define for maemo and without it on x86 Aug 05 19:39:18 with no autotools Aug 05 19:39:36 madhav1, potentially Aug 05 19:40:37 yay, it works now :) Aug 05 19:40:42 lcuk: im using gold linker from binutils..on arm Aug 05 19:40:49 ahh, then no Aug 05 19:41:04 ld gives error -posion no option Aug 05 19:41:23 lcuk: iif i set SBOX_EXTRA_CROSS_COMPILER_ARGS= Aug 05 19:41:30 -posion? Aug 05 19:41:32 it shws warnings Aug 05 19:41:42 poison directories Aug 05 19:41:53 madhav1: how about you copy/paste the output to a pastebin service Aug 05 19:43:00 crashhandle: basically im trying to build chrome on maemo armel Aug 05 19:43:09 isn't chrome already built? Aug 05 19:43:27 maemo linker gives error at link time.seg fault Aug 05 19:43:38 so im using gold linker from binutils Aug 05 19:44:08 gold linker doesnot allow to use poision directories.. Aug 05 19:44:55 if i set SBOX_EXTRA_CROSS_COMPILER_ARGS= there are warnings..like unsafe instructions Aug 05 19:45:31 any clue? Aug 05 19:45:39 madhav1: yes, paste the output Aug 05 19:46:20 ive told u..ld say no option -Wno-poison-directories Aug 05 19:46:52 i have no log as such now .. Aug 05 19:47:18 im figuring out how to get goldlinker work Aug 05 19:48:06 any one went thru this situation ;) Aug 05 19:49:13 crashhandle:wat do u think Aug 05 19:51:11 I give up Aug 05 19:51:21 when you have to ask more than twice for a pastebin Aug 05 19:51:47 ok..sure Aug 05 19:53:59 any way to use a stronger crypto for /etc/passwd on maemo ? Aug 05 19:55:10 best way is not to use it at all I guess Aug 05 19:55:49 trbs2: you're doing something wrong Aug 05 19:56:13 don't try to treat your n900 as a place where you can store super secure stuff Aug 05 19:56:17 it isn't Aug 05 19:56:19 it won't be Aug 05 19:56:44 system updates don't happen often enough for you to actually have an exploit free system Aug 05 19:56:49 timeless: crypting /etc/passwd isn't for secure stuff Aug 05 19:57:07 [timeless]: You could truecrypt all super secure stuff Aug 05 19:57:25 timeless: and there's no isolation between apps too Aug 05 19:57:41 then again, using truecrypt will only be password-strong. Aug 05 19:57:44 any app can read, write, do anything with any of your file anyway Aug 05 19:58:06 yep Aug 05 19:58:17 and any app can trick app manager into installing anything as root Aug 05 19:58:28 including a kernel module which does whatever Aug 05 19:58:45 and I'm told that any app can kill any number of kittens, too Aug 05 19:59:32 most apps *do* kill kittens Aug 05 19:59:38 timeless: has there been any grey-hat testing against Maemo? Aug 05 19:59:42 hmmm question Aug 05 19:59:45 especially Qt kittens Aug 05 19:59:57 crashanddie: oddly there is fuzz testing Aug 05 20:00:03 in some cases it has even found upstream bugs Aug 05 20:00:04 can i have the feature of skipping to next track when pressing the button on the headset without installing from extras-devel? Aug 05 20:00:07 but not that often Aug 05 20:00:10 fuzz testing? Aug 05 20:00:21 crashanddie: that'd be no fun Aug 05 20:00:25 i saw a program in extras-devel doing that, but i wanted to avoid installing from that repo Aug 05 20:00:28 :/ Aug 05 20:00:28 sending garbage input... Aug 05 20:00:36 timeless: ah, ok Aug 05 20:01:06 I just wonder, what if in a random app, we included a kernel hook that redirected all key input to /dev/null Aug 05 20:01:18 and then, once it's gone through QA, release the results Aug 05 20:02:01 not do anything malicious, but just see how many votes we get, how quickly we manage to go through Aug 05 20:02:28 and also try to test whether being an experienced contributor (like people who have a few apps in extras) affects the thoroughness of the testing Aug 05 20:03:04 Corsac, timeless - i believe the kitten killing app was rejected by extras-testing, apparantly it did not include a bug tracker :P Aug 05 20:03:16 heh Aug 05 20:03:25 woah, I just got /msg spam'd Aug 05 20:03:53 "sebastian, its your mum, your tea is ready" Aug 05 20:24:06 I wish people stopped trying to call me. My Nokia E75's bluetooth dies and N810 loses interwebs :-( Aug 05 20:25:00 moin Aug 05 20:31:52 hi Aug 05 20:33:30 moin rhaamo Aug 05 20:33:47 any ideas on when fcam-drivers or kernel-power will be updated ? I can't upgrade fcam-drivers and .. can't use the camera :/ Aug 05 20:34:04 my n900 deadlocked(?) today when i wanted to use maemo mapper... Aug 05 20:34:13 had to take the battery out :( Aug 05 20:34:30 maybe it was swapping too much? Aug 05 20:35:33 rhaamo, install the official kernel and you are golden Aug 05 20:35:39 Mine had I/O deadlock too Aug 05 20:35:58 * lcuk wonders if there is something in the water Aug 05 20:36:11 lcuk: i'm interested by kernel-power not the default... Aug 05 20:36:31 rhaamo, then suffer. Aug 05 20:37:07 or patch it so it works :D Aug 05 20:38:07 it's kinda frustrating that one can't easily have mobilehotspot and fcam installed at the same time Aug 05 20:38:54 in fact, it's kinda frustrating in general the the default kernel for a communications device doesn't include netfilter Aug 05 20:40:36 modprobe -f ... might help Aug 05 20:41:47 or earn you an OOPS Aug 05 20:42:01 or PANIC Aug 05 20:43:38 BCMM, since each needs a kernel I do agree Aug 05 20:43:55 teamwork is needed to get a kernel (official hopefully) that will work for all the main use cases Aug 05 20:44:19 thought power kernel was that Aug 05 20:45:10 if fcam comes with modules rather than whole new kernel of its own, then see above, modprobe -f might help Aug 05 20:45:54 yup Aug 05 20:46:01 if fcam does its shit monolithic the lart fcam Aug 05 20:46:10 then* Aug 05 20:46:17 but people want it Aug 05 20:46:41 anybody aware of telepathy-sofiasip? Aug 05 20:47:19 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3063 Aug 05 20:47:20 Bug 3063: SIP Voice Mail message notification Aug 05 20:47:56 The bug says that MWI is not implemented. Is it not implemented in gui or in the backend? Aug 05 20:48:23 ask Robot101 Aug 05 20:48:30 i dont know anything about telepathy or telepathy-sofiasip Aug 05 20:49:10 Robot101: ping Aug 05 20:49:13 trumee: yo Aug 05 20:49:35 the N900 has a slightly weird voicemail indication mechanism in it's Skype backend Aug 05 20:49:37 Robot101: is MWI available in telepathy-sofiasip? Aug 05 20:50:02 no - Mikhail Zabaluef who commented there is the main Telepathy SofiaSIP developer Aug 05 20:50:33 we're proposing to do it slightly different way in the main Telepathy specification - but in either case, it'd need to be implemented for SIP Aug 05 20:50:48 Robot101: so the only way to get MWI is to write an application which talks directly to sofia-sip? Aug 05 20:51:09 write a patch to telepathy-sofiasip so it does it in the same way as the skype backend atm Aug 05 20:51:24 is there a way to figure out what repository a package is in? Aug 05 20:53:10 you can't "talk" to sofia-sip, it's a library - and you don't want to make a new SIP registration Aug 05 20:53:52 Lateralus: apt-cache showpkg? Aug 05 20:54:11 Robot101: hmm. but doesnt the */freeswitch servers allow multiple registrations. If sofia-sip can register a new client, they can share voicemail boxes Aug 05 20:54:27 holy crap easy debian is awesome :) Aug 05 20:54:38 DocScrutinizer: doesn't tell me the repo Aug 05 20:54:47 Robot101: so user registered via sofia-sip can capture all the Message notifications Aug 05 20:55:01 Robot101: although, it will be a waste of resources i guess Aug 05 20:55:04 trumee: yes, you can register multiple times, but it's server configuration dependent where calls and messages go Aug 05 20:55:23 trumee: so your calls might get eaten by the notifier, or vice versa Aug 05 20:55:41 trumee: and, you chew power, and have no UI, and have to configure it separately Aug 05 20:56:00 Robot101: is there UI for skype voicemail then? Aug 05 20:56:00 trumee: plus, I don't see how writing a patch to an existing sofiasip process is harder than writing an entirely new one :P Aug 05 20:56:11 yes, although I can't remember how it works off the top of my head Aug 05 20:56:17 I think there's an interface for it Aug 05 20:56:48 http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=rtcom-telepathy-glib.git;a=summary Aug 05 20:56:56 these are the telepathy extensions for the N900 Aug 05 20:57:27 http://git.collabora.co.uk/?p=rtcom-telepathy-glib.git;a=blob;f=rtcom-telepathy-glib/Channel_Interface_Voicemail_Skype.xml;h=9fccc84d7e36b9a7721f78cc115ee18fb2299b0a;hb=e4dae27b83a913927dd41f9b50f9e907cb0c1b2e Aug 05 20:58:14 yeah so you get a voicemail notification message, and provide a sender and timestamp which the UI uses to place the call & retreive the voicemail Aug 05 20:58:32 so, seems pretty simple to trick out the UI with that spec Aug 05 20:59:48 Robot101: seems its not in PR 1.2 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7470 Aug 05 20:59:49 Bug 7470: N900 does not support Skype Voicemail Settings Aug 05 21:00:40 Lateralus: seems it does for me, under "Versions:" Aug 05 21:00:53 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# apt-cache showpkg fmms Aug 05 21:00:57 Versions: Aug 05 21:00:59 1.2.3 (/var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle_free_binary-armel_Packages) Aug 05 21:01:10 ... Aug 05 21:03:36 Robot101: thanks for the pointers. Aug 05 21:04:48 trumee: cool - #telepathy here can help out, although it's more lively during europe working hours Aug 05 21:06:38 hey guys Aug 05 21:06:59 I'm just wondering, what do you think about the recent ragequit of qwerty12? Aug 05 21:07:51 Venemo, those that have an opinion have posted already Aug 05 21:08:16 lcuk: yep, I read some of the thread. but it makes me sad. Aug 05 21:09:08 hi, wondering how i can prevent my IM contacts from merging with my actual phone contacts its a huge mess now in there :) Aug 05 21:09:44 evilbulgarian: yup Aug 05 21:09:50 :-S Aug 05 21:09:57 evilbulgarian: either use a standalone client, or take the time to merge them properly Aug 05 21:10:06 contacts doesn't support groups Aug 05 21:10:19 ok thx guys Aug 05 21:10:33 evilbulgarian: I spent a whole evening with the process of merging my contats with their Skype and MSN identities... Aug 05 21:11:05 yeah i have way too many Aug 05 21:11:33 and alot of them i dont have their numbers just im's Aug 05 21:12:42 mhm, still don't see the particular problem Aug 05 21:13:27 other than no groups supported in contacts Aug 05 21:13:27 can we save contact info to a SIM? or restore from sim? Aug 05 21:13:47 still tempted to buy a n900 Aug 05 21:13:56 restore from SIM yes. Save to SIM nope, at least with default means Aug 05 21:14:01 ty DocScrutinizer Aug 05 21:14:15 yw Aug 05 21:14:33 pupnik: wait for the release of the next device. then the price of the N900 will drop so much that you can buy it single-handedly Aug 05 21:14:56 i'm using e71 and it's so much more practical as a phone, not even funny :| Aug 05 21:14:58 sure? Aug 05 21:15:22 * GAN900 hopes for another proto loan program. Aug 05 21:15:33 * GAN900 has about a month left. Aug 05 21:15:52 pupnik: that is a matter of opinion Aug 05 21:15:59 * DocScrutinizer hopes there won't be, so isn't temped to mess with shitty c-ts and no kbd :-P Aug 05 21:16:13 c-ts? Aug 05 21:16:21 capacative? Aug 05 21:16:25 yup Aug 05 21:16:30 that's the rumour Aug 05 21:16:40 * pupnik sacrifices a chicken Aug 05 21:16:43 No rumor Aug 05 21:16:46 It's fact Aug 05 21:16:55 See the slide from the 2009 Summit Aug 05 21:17:04 hm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEHqKTXpSR0 just flew by. Shouldn't that (Win95 on Android via DosBox) be possible with Maemo on the N900 as well? Aug 05 21:17:06 Capacitive, WVGA, OMAP3 Aug 05 21:17:27 WVGA is how much? Aug 05 21:17:41 http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html Aug 05 21:17:47 muelli: ^^^ Aug 05 21:18:19 oh 800x480 phew Aug 05 21:19:00 1.5x battery life, or no sale for me Aug 05 21:19:05 * Jaffa wouldn't be surprised for no kbd :-( Aug 05 21:19:11 heh Aug 05 21:19:14 pupnik: + 1.5x perceived performance Aug 05 21:19:30 no way I gonna replace my N900 Aug 05 21:19:31 that would be needed for other people Aug 05 21:19:34 just use hardfloat! Aug 05 21:19:53 Venemo: that's why I answered "sure?" Aug 05 21:19:53 RX-78 had how many keys? Aug 05 21:20:03 GAN900: the E900? :) Aug 05 21:20:17 I still can't believe how hard Nokia is screwing over N900 buyers. Aug 05 21:20:22 WTF is RX-78? Aug 05 21:20:26 * GAN900 is glad he never paid retail. Aug 05 21:20:31 71? Aug 05 21:20:33 71 Aug 05 21:20:38 I don't remember the number Aug 05 21:20:41 http://it-chuiko.com/mobile/3618-qwerty-slider-nokia-n98-keyboard-version-of-nokia.html << that thing looks sweet Aug 05 21:20:44 71 from the kernel Aug 05 21:20:47 GAN900: after screwing over n810 buyers, can it really be that surprising? Aug 05 21:20:50 RX-72? yeah Aug 05 21:20:52 * GAN900 is getting old or something Aug 05 21:20:56 some 3 or such Aug 05 21:21:01 Mousey, yeah, but that wasn't as bad. Aug 05 21:21:02 meh Aug 05 21:21:03 Mousey: At least N810 -> N900 was a hardware leap. Aug 05 21:21:09 RX-78 = Gundam Aug 05 21:21:12 i just lost another year of my life :( Aug 05 21:21:23 just turned 17, why is life so cruel Aug 05 21:21:25 * MohammadAG51 sobs Aug 05 21:21:26 it was encouraging that n770 and n800 owners could get as far as maemo5 Aug 05 21:21:27 And they keep professing that they've changed. Aug 05 21:21:28 MohammadAG51: condolences Aug 05 21:21:37 Mousey: N900 -> Harmattan phone is basically the same hw (with capacitive screen). Maybe more RAM? Maybe more battery? Maybe more CPU? But basically the same. Aug 05 21:21:40 (Much like Saddam in the South Park movie) Aug 05 21:21:45 I see regressions. Aug 05 21:21:52 MohammadAG51: 17? In hex? Aug 05 21:21:55 Jaffa: yah, but i wanted a tablet Aug 05 21:22:34 Jaffa: uhm, maybe someone will sell a replacing kit for the touch screen :P Aug 05 21:22:49 * Jaffa started feeding the troll beast lurking within The Rant[TM]. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=777041#post777041 Aug 05 21:22:54 MohammadAG51: I know the feeling Aug 05 21:23:05 MohammadAG51: I felt exactly the same way when I turned to 17 Aug 05 21:23:07 GAN900: would you be happy with AMOLED? i think it's crazy sexy (almost too saturated) Aug 05 21:23:25 Jaffa, no, 17 in decimals :P Aug 05 21:23:45 pupnik, don't care much either way Aug 05 21:23:48 pupnik: AMOLED is illegible outdoors. Aug 05 21:23:52 pupnik: it is crap. Aug 05 21:23:59 Just as long as it isn't shitty like the Nexus One. Aug 05 21:24:07 Jaffa: woah, that thread grew since I last checked Aug 05 21:24:40 Jaffa, can we make it front page next week? :P Aug 05 21:24:41 pupnik: also possibly short endurance Aug 05 21:25:30 MohammadAG51: damn, I got that attitude with 25, not with 17 Aug 05 21:25:32 GAN900: No. Do Not Feed The Trolls. Even if they are a hacker. Aug 05 21:25:46 MohammadAG51: so - ENJOY! :-D Aug 05 21:25:55 * Jaffa got that when he turned %10000. 2^5. Last significant birthday until 2^6! Aug 05 21:26:11 0x20. That hurt. Aug 05 21:27:53 Jaffa, ehehe Aug 05 21:27:54 DocScrutinizer, heh Aug 05 21:30:10 nite all, sweet dreams Aug 05 21:30:23 Jaffa: tztztz Aug 05 21:30:44 ~seen flailingmonkey Aug 05 21:30:48 flailingmonkey <~user@166.199.224.58> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 23d 20h 3s ago, saying: 'with a multimeter'. Aug 05 21:32:23 Jaffa: well, you wouldn't actually be feeding them, considering there is commenting system... just pointing them in the right direction Aug 05 21:32:28 also: Aug 05 21:32:34 ~dict flailing Aug 05 21:32:35 there is no** Aug 05 21:32:36 could not find definition for flailing Aug 05 21:32:50 infobot: useless! Aug 05 21:32:51 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( Aug 05 21:32:57 DocScrutinizer: kick the shit out of Aug 05 21:33:32 it Aug 05 21:33:48 her? Aug 05 21:34:00 whatever :p Aug 05 21:34:30 ~rape MohammadAG51, for birthday gift Aug 05 21:34:31 * infobot takes MohammadAG51, for birthday gift behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Aug 05 21:34:39 o_O Aug 05 21:34:40 ... Aug 05 21:35:02 seriously, $50 would've been better Aug 05 21:35:07 not really ladylike, but meh ;-D Aug 05 21:35:17 infobot, $50 Aug 05 21:35:20 * infobot takes the cash and sucks mohammadag51 off Aug 05 21:35:39 hmm Aug 05 21:35:44 infobot, factinfo $50 Aug 05 21:35:46 $50 -- created by blucode at Sun Apr 15 10:29:21 2001 (3399 days); it has been requested 8 times, last by MohammadAG51, 26s ago. Aug 05 21:35:46 wait what? Aug 05 21:36:02 lol only 8 times Aug 05 21:36:09 nah, a lie Aug 05 21:36:25 she keeps forgetting shit on each restart Aug 05 21:37:00 infobot: $0.25 MohammadAG51 Aug 05 21:37:13 syntax error Aug 05 21:37:26 ~attack tybollt Aug 05 21:37:27 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing tybollt Aug 05 21:37:38 infobot, tybollt Aug 05 21:37:39 methinks tybollt is some bloody idiot Aug 05 21:37:52 :D Aug 05 21:37:59 infobot is so much fun Aug 05 21:38:08 infobot, Venemo Aug 05 21:38:08 * tybollt slaps MohammadAG51 w/ DocScrutinizer Aug 05 21:38:10 who was the one who developed her? Aug 05 21:38:17 infobot, frals Aug 05 21:38:18 [frals] a large smelly trout, or the developer of fMMS Aug 05 21:38:20 TimRiker Aug 05 21:38:24 ~burn MohammadAG51 Aug 05 21:38:25 * infobot pours gasoline all over MohammadAG51, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Aug 05 21:38:25 obviously Aug 05 21:38:38 infobot, die Aug 05 21:38:40 * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. Aug 05 21:38:49 lol Aug 05 21:38:53 who is TimRiker? Aug 05 21:39:12 you're saying you don't know TimRiker? Aug 05 21:39:12 ~timriker Aug 05 21:39:12 well, timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy. Aug 05 21:39:16 THE timeriker? Aug 05 21:39:22 -e Aug 05 21:39:30 (idk him too xD) Aug 05 21:39:53 riker? that's a penitentiary in the US innit? they develop python bots there`? :) Aug 05 21:40:24 python bots or python boots? Aug 05 21:41:48 =D Aug 05 21:42:09 hah. Aug 05 21:42:20 F.Z. - stinkfoot Aug 05 21:42:20 DocScrutinizer: boo no triggering me, I want to pick up line||square however missus is furious and won't let me :):) Aug 05 21:42:26 infobot, factinfo maemo Aug 05 21:42:27 maemo -- created by TimRiker <~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc> at Mon May 30 22:51:00 2005 (1892 days); last modified at Thu Feb 4 13:33:55 2010 by GeneralAntilles!~ryan@Maemo/community/contributor/GeneralAntilles; it has been requested 24 times, last by MohammadAG51, 2d 22h 14m 1s ago. Aug 05 21:42:31 interesting though that every community has different bots on their channel Aug 05 21:42:53 FZ ++ DocScrutinizer Aug 05 21:43:01 puts a hurt on my nose Aug 05 21:43:38 Venemo: some bots are better than others: http://bash.org/?178890 Aug 05 21:43:45 ...and now it's July Aug 05 21:44:38 infobot, factinfo maemo Aug 05 21:44:41 maemo -- created by TimRiker <~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc> at Mon May 30 22:51:00 2005 (1892 days); last modified at Thu Feb 4 13:33:55 2010 by GeneralAntilles!~ryan@Maemo/community/contributor/GeneralAntilles; it has been requested 24 times, last by MohammadAG51, 2d 22h 16m 15s ago. Aug 05 21:44:51 crashanddie: lol Aug 05 21:45:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9FBQ1O5F8k <-stinkfoot Aug 05 21:45:47 crashanddie: the guys at #fedora have a bot that return google "feel lucky" search links Aug 05 21:45:55 Zappa \o/ Aug 05 21:45:57 hmm Aug 05 21:46:19 ~gl test Aug 05 21:46:25 dman Aug 05 21:46:40 anyway, gotta drop the bike off for servicing tomorrow at 7AM xD Aug 05 21:46:58 night maemo Aug 05 21:47:03 good night Aug 05 21:47:31 am i right n900 dont particularly like `bigger' trees of files below MyDocs? Aug 05 21:47:59 hi, in fastsms im getting canot open selected phonebook you need to install the selected phonebook? Aug 05 21:48:07 any ideas? Aug 05 21:48:10 nox-: what do you mean? Aug 05 21:48:24 the file manager gets a bit slow on big directories, if that's what you mean Aug 05 21:48:30 evilbulgarian: perhaps contact the author of fastsms in his TMO thread Aug 05 21:48:38 evilbulgarian: are you Parvanov? Aug 05 21:49:00 incidentally, anyone else find it weirdly inconsistent that the upper-right close/back button isn't used for ../ ? Aug 05 21:49:20 crashanddie: nah Vladi Aug 05 21:49:33 Venemo: i saw it looks like i need to add dev repo and install a phone book Aug 05 21:49:53 evilbulgarian: not sure what you mean by "phone book" Aug 05 21:49:59 Venemo, BCMM, i was just thinking it might try to index the tree causing unwanted cpu/ram/swap use... Aug 05 21:50:13 i mean reindex repeatedly Aug 05 21:50:29 * nox- is wondering why is n900 is swapping so much Aug 05 21:50:35 s/is/his/ Aug 05 21:50:38 nox-: I don't know. AFAIK it indexes when a USB connection has ended to see if there are new media files Aug 05 21:50:54 cos default swappiness is 100? Aug 05 21:52:26 hmm Aug 05 21:52:26 heey a new pyside build :D Is there a changelog? Aug 05 21:52:35 it would be really useful if you could tell it to search only under a specific directory for new media actually Aug 05 21:52:53 BCMM: it does search only /MyDocs, if I'm right Aug 05 21:53:07 would that also explain apps being slow and just xterm+maemo mapper+location test causing the dedlock the phone? Aug 05 21:53:17 Venemo: i know, i meant a subdir of that Aug 05 21:53:35 s/the dedlock/to deadlock/ Aug 05 21:53:35 nox- meant: would that also explain apps being slow and just xterm+maemo mapper+location test causing to deadlock the phone? Aug 05 21:53:48 Venemo: for example, one might quite reasonably carry media that you cannot or do not want to watch on the n900, since it is a mass-storage device Aug 05 21:55:13 also, sound recordings you make as a note to yourself end up playing when you shuffle your music collection Aug 05 21:55:28 BCMM: it won't search for files and directories beginning with '.' Aug 05 21:56:16 yeah, i use linux on all my machines, so keeping everything in hidden directories on the thing i use as a USB stick is not ideal Aug 05 21:56:45 i might configure the sound recorder thingy to put stuff in a .dir though Aug 05 21:57:05 interesting, apparently wasps release an airborne chemical that screams "Avenge me" to all nearby wasps Aug 05 21:57:12 I made Mydocs a 4g partition - vf5 Aug 05 21:57:15 vfvat Aug 05 21:57:27 vfWAT Aug 05 21:57:36 and made the rest a 28g ext3 Aug 05 21:57:44 vfat Aug 05 21:58:01 I Need to cut my nails. Aug 05 21:58:17 Or get bluetooth kbd working Aug 05 21:58:30 n900evil: 9" nails?! Aug 05 21:59:00 No, I have Jhonny Cash nail covers. Aug 05 21:59:16 crashanddie, makes sense i suppose Aug 05 21:59:33 can I have music files in other places than MyDocs btw? And still use them as before? Aug 05 21:59:59 mece, where are you thinking? there isnt much space elsewhere Aug 05 22:00:02 mece: yes Aug 05 22:00:06 tracker will scan mmc Aug 05 22:00:16 mece: If you tell tracker of dir. Aug 05 22:00:24 n900evil, ok. I was just looking for the repartitioning howto, but couldn't find it. Aug 05 22:00:35 n900evil, thanks Aug 05 22:00:47 mece: I have travcker looking at /home/user/data/ which is ext2 Aug 05 22:00:49 3 Aug 05 22:00:56 nod Aug 05 22:01:01 works ok in normal ui Aug 05 22:01:09 tracker.cfg Aug 05 22:01:40 this concept of tracker needs revisiting Aug 05 22:01:40 n900evil: or, one could just mount /home/user/data under /home/user/MyDocs/data or whatnot. Aug 05 22:02:00 hey pupnik :) Aug 05 22:02:09 that causes issues when mydocs is unmounted Aug 05 22:02:12 wow, nox! hi! Aug 05 22:02:19 hehe Aug 05 22:02:45 * nox- finally got an `upgrade' from his old zaurus... :) Aug 05 22:02:59 congratulations! You missed all the lack of apps! Aug 05 22:03:00 nox-: an N900? Aug 05 22:03:04 yeah Aug 05 22:03:09 :) Aug 05 22:03:33 n900evil: why would MyDocs be unmounted? (I don't use mass storage) Aug 05 22:03:37 nox-: congrats! Aug 05 22:03:42 i had maemo mapper(?) daedlock the phone thoday tho Aug 05 22:03:53 * MohammadAG51 unmounted / by mistake once Aug 05 22:04:02 MohammadAG51, and what happened? Aug 05 22:04:16 haha linux lets you even do that? Aug 05 22:04:21 mece: It unmounts if it's used as mass storage. Aug 05 22:04:35 got lots of mp3 (well some) on VFAT partition of uSD. Seems I can playback them, and there's actually a bit of space there (16G to be precise) Aug 05 22:04:38 * lcuk unmounts MohammadAG51 Aug 05 22:04:38 it's like taking out a base of a building Aug 05 22:04:40 mece: As two devices on one fs is bad. Aug 05 22:04:44 nox-, umount -l / Aug 05 22:05:06 then see errors flowing by Aug 05 22:05:22 some shit about forking child processes, terminals not starting etc Aug 05 22:05:27 n900evil: (01:03:34 AM) mece: [...] (I don't use mass storage) Aug 05 22:05:41 ah Aug 05 22:06:12 n900evil: anyway I want to be able to save stuff from the browser for example, in my ext3 parititon comfortably, hence the mounting part. Aug 05 22:07:28 but first, I need to repartition. Aug 05 22:07:42 mece: bindmount helped a lot for me Aug 05 22:08:01 DocScrutinizer, what did you bindmount where? Aug 05 22:08:37 bindmounted /media/MyRoot to / Aug 05 22:08:48 iirc Aug 05 22:09:44 media/MyHome to /home Aug 05 22:10:46 err other way round of course Aug 05 22:11:56 the meh_blarrgh part is adding the mounts to init scripts Aug 05 22:12:10 I cheated. Aug 05 22:12:19 horribly. Aug 05 22:12:32 queen beecon Aug 05 22:12:37 heh! Aug 05 22:12:39 :-D Aug 05 22:12:39 on desktop. Aug 05 22:13:02 to do what? Aug 05 22:13:08 * DocScrutinizer pondering bout creating a AutoStart "folder" on desktop Aug 05 22:13:43 kerio - mount /home/user/data Aug 05 22:13:45 nah, goodbye people Aug 05 22:13:52 good night Aug 05 22:14:04 you cheated! Aug 05 22:14:07 sweet dreams! Aug 05 22:15:55 * DocScrutinizer realizes this autostart 'folder' had to become a button in settings, to open up a config screen where you can tag all executables in $PATH and also enter custom cmdline Aug 05 22:16:24 oufff Aug 05 22:16:34 and can toggle services like modest or bme Aug 05 22:17:02 but isn't there...? Nah was on SHR Aug 05 22:17:48 DOWN WITH BME Aug 05 22:17:54 lol Aug 05 22:18:19 BME IS DOWN WITH YOU. Aug 05 22:18:27 (in soviet russia) Aug 05 22:18:39 ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US Aug 05 22:38:36 debconf has been going on all week, anyone heard any decent stuff to have come out of it so far? Aug 05 22:42:16 GAN900: http://www.allensphotoblog.com/blog1/images/canon40D2.jpg Aug 05 22:52:28 GAN900: (Who reads German?) That's especially for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BppOWoK2Fc Aug 05 22:58:21 Screw my connection Aug 05 22:58:51 hmm Aug 05 22:59:15 DocScrutinizer: got a map that shows what keycode each key ona keyboard outputs when pushed? Aug 05 22:59:32 like you push 'a' and it will generate "23" etc Aug 05 22:59:52 tybollt: nope, but there' Aug 05 23:00:00 s tools to do that Aug 05 23:00:07 yay Aug 05 23:00:09 indeed Aug 05 23:00:13 xv Aug 05 23:00:15 or some such Aug 05 23:00:18 yep Aug 05 23:00:22 * tybollt fails to recall :S Aug 05 23:01:00 DocScrutinizer: as lazy as I am I had been hopin someone olready did the work for me though (never underestimate how lazy users can be ;);). Aug 05 23:02:05 Argh... Aug 05 23:09:12 tybollt, xev you mean Aug 05 23:09:24 but the best is just to printf your own in one of your existing apps Aug 05 23:09:28 in the place you need it Aug 05 23:09:42 * lcuk likes to make the printf spout case blocks Aug 05 23:09:50 so i can copy/paste direct from console into app Aug 05 23:10:15 lcuk: ta, cheers Aug 05 23:13:42 * Mousey scores a meego shirt from oscon Aug 06 00:44:26 hi Aug 06 00:44:29 i'm scared Aug 06 00:45:29 BOOOO ;-P Aug 06 00:47:35 i installed that sixaxis support thing, and it enabled extra-dev, then i noticed there were updates avaible to lots of programs, without thinking i told it to update them, but them when it reached the power kernel the it started to take a long time to move the progres bar so i switched to the browser and went for a site with flash games, then when the game started the device is not... Aug 06 00:47:37 ...reponding anymore, i hear the clicks for keypresses and the sound of the game, and the less cover reminder seems to be buzzing in the background, but nothing i do makes the screen change, it's all frozen Dx< Aug 06 00:47:39 Dx Aug 06 00:47:53 lens* Aug 06 00:48:43 it's not safe to try to shut it down, is it? Aug 06 00:48:52 I mena, the N900 itself Aug 06 00:50:20 wait! Aug 06 00:51:07 it's probably swapping like hell, as you eaten up RAM for browser/flash /flash is *BAD*) Aug 06 00:51:15 :( Aug 06 00:51:30 click on close button for browser, then just wait Aug 06 00:51:51 already tried, the X won't even go blue, the screen is frozen Aug 06 00:51:54 I once had to wait 1h until it recovered from such abuse Aug 06 00:52:19 i mean,t hebackground of the X Aug 06 00:52:21 i got a real freeze (deadlock?) today whit just maemo mapper, location test and xterm running... Aug 06 00:52:28 yepyep screen seems frozen, that's due to processes take ages to get their share of cpu time Aug 06 00:52:34 1h? ouch Aug 06 00:53:10 so you mean it could just have been a memory leak in maemo mapper or something like that? Aug 06 00:53:11 nox-: sure, usually I would have rebooted it, but I was curious Aug 06 00:53:21 at least this happened while i was at home, with the charger avaiable, so no risk of it dieing due to running out of battery Aug 06 00:53:31 nox-: (leak) flash! Aug 06 00:53:36 flash is shit Aug 06 00:53:46 no i mean my hang i got a real freeze (deadlock?) today whit just maemo mapper, location test and xterm running... Aug 06 00:53:54 i worried i'll need to hook it up to my PC and reflash it :( Aug 06 00:54:09 umm Aug 06 00:54:21 TiagoTiago: nope Aug 06 00:54:28 since it was updating the kernel from extra-dev when it froze Aug 06 00:55:01 at least not if power-kernel (deprecated anyway if you don't really know why you *need* it) doesn't mess up anything Aug 06 00:55:04 i only realised it was getting the updates from extra-dev after it had already started so i was afraid of trying to interrupt it in the middle of the thing and make things worse Aug 06 00:56:06 nox-: no idea. Maybe mapper went hamuk Aug 06 00:56:07 i installed it to get better battery time and perhaps overclock the processor when i need a program to run faster Aug 06 00:56:21 didn't find how to set thigns up though] Aug 06 00:56:23 :/ Aug 06 00:56:33 ~tell TiagoTiago about omap-oc Aug 06 00:56:55 ~tell TiagoTiago about overclocking Aug 06 00:57:58 after i read about how it is dangerous in hot wheather wasn't even gonna get close to 1ghz Aug 06 00:58:10 weather* Aug 06 00:58:26 TiagoTiago: you should read the WARNINGs on extras-devel and even -testing Aug 06 00:58:28 oh and rfmon just means monitor mode, or is it also an app? Aug 06 00:58:30 DocScrutinizer, haha Aug 06 00:58:32 * nox- only found kismet... Aug 06 00:59:08 i had jsut installed the SIXAXIS support and forgot it had activated extra-dev when the updates notice showed Aug 06 00:59:22 nox-: you might want to check aircrack Aug 06 00:59:33 ah ok Aug 06 00:59:43 it was a really dumb thing to do aparently Aug 06 01:00:29 GeneralAntilles: ?? Aug 06 01:00:54 i didn't even worry much when extra-dev was enabled 'cause lots of places talk about getting programs that are there like as if it was just a matter of changing your shirt Aug 06 01:01:05 DocScrutinizer, Zappa. Aug 06 01:01:11 :-D Aug 06 01:01:14 most places don't even say somthing like "soon it will get approaved" or osmthing Aug 06 01:01:20 GeneralAntilles: hope you liked it Aug 06 01:01:30 DocScrutinizer, I've actually seen that video before. Aug 06 01:01:34 Funnily enough. Aug 06 01:01:50 like it's just another source for the same type of things we already get by default Aug 06 01:02:15 i can't even get the power button menu toshow now Dx Aug 06 01:02:47 TiagoTiago: Well, -devel is by definition "stuff in development" Aug 06 01:02:57 TiagoTiago: maybe you should just remove battery, and be prepared to reflash Aug 06 01:03:00 Plenty of apps there are usable, but it's not enabled by default for a good reason. Aug 06 01:03:02 ~flashing Aug 06 01:03:03 from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 06 01:03:31 what are the chances of it just comming back up if i hard reboot it? Aug 06 01:03:44 good Aug 06 01:03:44 TiagoTiago: If you want your phone to work, don't use apps from -devel. -testing is /usually/ fairly safe, but again, no guarantees - it's there for a reason. Aug 06 01:04:09 but good is not 100% Aug 06 01:04:17 check ~flashing Aug 06 01:04:27 i got kidna dessentsitized about the risks of -dev agyer seeing so many people suggesting getting programs that are only avaiable there Aug 06 01:04:33 after* Aug 06 01:05:01 TiagoTiago: If you're not comfortable doing recovery tasks by yourself, I would recommend against it. Aug 06 01:05:15 At the very least, don't leave the catalogue enabled. Aug 06 01:05:23 for your excuse we need to appreciate power-kernel is in extras :-S Aug 06 01:05:25 i mean, will it get bricked or hard rebooting has a good chance of allowing me to disable -dev and get everything working again? Aug 06 01:05:30 no idea how it got there Aug 06 01:06:25 DocScrutinizer: Can you do iptables-fu with the stock kernel? Aug 06 01:06:25 TiagoTiago: will *not* get bricked (but prepare for flashing, today or in 5 months) Aug 06 01:06:47 if i wait will thigns get worse? Aug 06 01:06:55 i mean, wait to see if it will unfreeze Aug 06 01:06:59 I was using power-kernel for USBNet-based tethering for a while, but I wasn't sure if I needed it. Aug 06 01:07:09 I suppose I could just build the relevant modules separately, right? Aug 06 01:07:15 jaem: we just discussed that in hostmode channel. No obviously not, but then power kernel shouldn't come with hazardous options enabled Aug 06 01:07:54 DocScrutinizer: Sorry, I must have missed that discussion. Aug 06 01:07:57 TiagoTiago: nope, you can wait another 2h and see what's happening Aug 06 01:08:19 what do you sugegst, should i pull the battery now, or wait to see if it will come back in a couple of hours? Aug 06 01:08:27 jaem: you weren't there, it's a small 'private' unpopular channel Aug 06 01:08:54 DocScrutinizer: Ah. I'm not entirely certain what you meant there, though. What was the "no, obviously not" in response to? Aug 06 01:09:33 response to "can you do netfilters" Aug 06 01:09:50 * jaem nods Aug 06 01:10:02 it's a shame actually Aug 06 01:10:12 iptables doesnt work on n900? Aug 06 01:10:15 It is. Any idea why it's not included? Aug 06 01:10:25 nox-: not by default. It's not hard to set up, though. Aug 06 01:10:36 "we don't need that"? Aug 06 01:10:46 ah, power kernel, i c Aug 06 01:10:53 nox-: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_router Aug 06 01:11:35 DocScrutinizer: Probably. Then again, "you don't need it, so we aren't shipping it" is better than "you don't need it, so we won't let you have it" *cough* Aug 06 01:11:44 i'm nervous, what has better chances or not fucking it up, pulling the battery now or waiting? Aug 06 01:12:00 TiagoTiago: Well, waiting won't make it worse. Aug 06 01:12:13 jaem: there's such a concept like kernel modules Aug 06 01:12:24 DocScrutinizer: Yes, I was planning on going that route. Aug 06 01:12:32 any idea how long untill it's obvious it wont thaw? Aug 06 01:12:41 Oh... I missed your meaning. ;) Aug 06 01:13:12 TiagoTiago: no, not really. Aug 06 01:13:37 as DocScrutinizer said, it's probably not "frozen" - just swapping like there's no tomorrow. Aug 06 01:13:50 * jaem checks the calendar Aug 06 01:14:14 *might* take hours Aug 06 01:14:54 why there is no control-alt-del like on older Windows where you could just tell everything to wait and a task manager with system info etc would be the only thing allowed to run? Aug 06 01:15:01 but also should show *some* kind of reaction to user interaction, at least an ocasional click, vibra, or change on screen Aug 06 01:15:27 TiagoTiago: hold power button for 15s Aug 06 01:15:28 TiagoTiago: That isn't the issue here, most likely. Aug 06 01:15:35 DocScrutinizer: Doesn't that just kill it? Aug 06 01:15:41 that's as close as it gets to ctrl-alt-del Aug 06 01:15:41 screen not changing, key press sounds are working, game sounds continue to play, lens covner reminder buzzes Aug 06 01:15:59 TiagoTiago: so it is responding, but not repainting? Aug 06 01:16:04 yeah Aug 06 01:16:08 it's swapping like hell Aug 06 01:16:25 doesn't that just shuts it down? Aug 06 01:16:34 hya guys..anyone knows how to make an icon for a command line app in easy debian? it works well for gui apps Aug 06 01:17:05 i'm not sure how reponsive it is, i think the programs aren't changing under the screen Aug 06 01:17:05 when i try a prog that runs in the terminal it dosent start (using debbie) Aug 06 01:17:35 not sure though Aug 06 01:17:42 any way i can verify if they are? Aug 06 01:17:44 zeltak: By "make an icon", do you mean "add a launcher"? Aug 06 01:17:47 TiagoTiago: every user action gets stored up and slows down the process even further Aug 06 01:18:14 TiagoTiago: try to shut down gently (powe rbutton) Aug 06 01:18:14 jaem_n900: yeah i create a .desktop file for lets say keepassx and it works great Aug 06 01:18:26 press and hold? Aug 06 01:18:30 yep Aug 06 01:18:36 will that fuck thigns up if the kernel is still being updated? Aug 06 01:18:43 yep Aug 06 01:18:44 but when i use debbie task shell for example in the exex section it dosent work Aug 06 01:18:47 :( Aug 06 01:18:49 works well for gui apps Aug 06 01:18:59 TiagoTiago: reflashing is easy Aug 06 01:19:16 i'm worried about having to install and set evcerything again Aug 06 01:19:23 DocScrutinizer: easy yet always scary lol Aug 06 01:19:30 partially you'll have to do Aug 06 01:20:29 i think perhaps the flash game sound might be looping, though it might also be that it thinks i keep clicking on it Aug 06 01:21:02 you don't want to sit that out to an end Aug 06 01:22:00 chances power-kernel flashing already started are minimal Aug 06 01:22:17 hm, interesting, i jsut found out what i have to do to have the text to speech tlaking clock to do it's thing, double click ont he power button Aug 06 01:22:42 o.O Aug 06 01:23:03 you got a serously interesting config there Aug 06 01:23:44 how can it talk if there isn't processing time left to even update the screen? Aug 06 01:24:09 pulseaudio has higher priority Aug 06 01:24:29 higher priority than task switching etc? Aug 06 01:24:29 also maybe it's really the framebuffer/X/rendering that borked Aug 06 01:24:40 reboot the thing Aug 06 01:24:56 ar as we say here: "Nur mut zum boot!" Aug 06 01:25:23 hmm? Aug 06 01:25:32 if i manage to get the ssh to respond via network, would that provide any more info on what is going on, or allow to get things running again without needing to reflash? Aug 06 01:25:43 but if he was flashing the kernel he only needs to reflash that Aug 06 01:25:49 "ein Boot tut gut" :-D Aug 06 01:26:23 TiagoTiago: chances are you don't need to reflash Aug 06 01:27:26 it's not jsut pulse audio, the txt to speech engine has to run for it to read the time out loud Aug 06 01:27:59 ssh is responding Aug 06 01:28:26 can i get any info using it? (i'm not really used to linux command line) Aug 06 01:28:48 ls Aug 06 01:28:55 oops, lol, wrong window Aug 06 01:30:54 ok, gonna try soft shutdown... Aug 06 01:34:44 ok, bott up seemes to have gone without a hitch Aug 06 01:34:52 boot* Aug 06 01:35:45 fired up app manager, then called the catalogs screen, and it is thinking...... Aug 06 01:36:11 there, disabled -dev Aug 06 01:36:41 what do i need to do to "update" everythign to the latest non-dev version? Aug 06 01:37:19 I read that overclocking actually improves battery life, is this reaaly true? Aug 06 01:40:21 the explanation of why it would makes sense fo rme, but i'm quite far from being an expert on the areas involved Aug 06 01:42:36 I read that it is because of using low voltage, but does that mean that I will get the same just by using the advanced kernel without overclocking? Aug 06 01:44:02 i saw somthign about the low voltage, but also about running things fast and then not needing to keep runnning cause it is already done Aug 06 01:47:35 it switches to a much smaller voltage when idling i belive Aug 06 01:47:37 i play with buying a maemo phone; booting from mmc is possible as far as i read; but where can i get kernel sources? Aug 06 01:47:44 Smhar: no, most probably is an urban legend Aug 06 01:47:58 but like i said, i don't know much about the topic, i'm just repeating what i remember reading about it Aug 06 01:48:25 ~tell Smhar about omap-oc Aug 06 01:49:35 sid_: see /topic, Aug 06 01:49:44 http://mxr.maemo.org/ Aug 06 01:50:24 Y wen a girl call a girl a bitch its ight but if a nigga do it its world war3... If u a bitch u a bitch stop bein 1 an u an u gud K4fWKWoxOnBJl Aug 06 01:52:58 damn, should have banned Aug 06 01:54:23 lol Aug 06 01:54:33 can't you still do it? Aug 06 01:55:20 it's gone Aug 06 01:55:33 got no join/quit logs here Aug 06 01:55:43 * fTfvJzgd6Vx73 (c958e47b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.88.228.123) has joined #maemo Aug 06 01:55:46 anyway, nvm Aug 06 01:55:54 mhm Aug 06 01:55:54 there isn't some bot or server command that will tell you info about people that aren't here anymore? Aug 06 01:56:07 klined anyway I guess Aug 06 01:56:24 /whowas Aug 06 01:56:41 but doesn't work usually as those idiot bots don't register Aug 06 02:00:59 * fTfvJzgd6Vx73 (c958e47b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.201.88.228.123) has joined #maemo Aug 06 02:02:06 anyone here uses claws-email in N900? Aug 06 02:02:14 a few Aug 06 02:03:16 the genuine mail app is so... errr, Freud knows why I even forgot the name Aug 06 02:03:23 Jus finish wit dat shake weight I was gettin crazy wit dat shit 1qVjd9wy1 Aug 06 02:03:26 * cehteh gaves up on hopeing for a useable email client ... Aug 06 02:03:28 I have thunderbird in my desktop. is it possible to copy my thousands of emails with tens of folders and tend of filters to claws? Aug 06 02:03:45 claws is ok but without hildonizing its not that easy to use Aug 06 02:04:12 * DocScrutinizer yawns Aug 06 02:04:53 Smhar: depends on what format the mail folders are, iirc thats most often pita with thunderbird Aug 06 02:05:02 Today will be epic if u get a drunk texts or tweet dat mean I fucks wit u hard imma cry tonight ayeeeee 8kFYv Aug 06 02:05:25 i have an imap server running and just copied all mails to imap folders once .. Aug 06 02:06:36 there are some ways/tools to convert mails from/to different formats.. just try your luck and make a backup Aug 06 02:06:50 I am using pop3 to access the mail. most of the mail is old and is not available in the server, only in my computer Aug 06 02:06:54 Fuk dis ugly fat ass bitch yo he cn go 2 fuking hell 4 all i give a fuk dude go suk a dik go gt run over jump off a building idgaf bout u n… mCbgYKNN3MF Aug 06 02:07:27 o_O Aug 06 02:08:07 DON'T! Aug 06 02:08:19 what else?? Aug 06 02:08:24 may I? Aug 06 02:08:53 [2010-08-06 04:05:05] *** DocScrutinizer setzt Modus: +b *!*@*.201.88.228.123 Aug 06 02:09:04 just seen it Aug 06 02:09:15 banning the webchat is a bad move Aug 06 02:09:28 fuck the webchat is a fail Aug 06 02:09:39 freenode is a fail Aug 06 02:09:57 irc is fail Aug 06 02:10:01 lol Aug 06 02:10:03 agreed, private servers ftw, but you can't force 468 users to move Aug 06 02:10:05 that too Aug 06 02:10:19 hm, what did i do? or wasn't me that made me leave the channel? Aug 06 02:10:32 years ago i wanted to make a p2p messaging system which is wot based .. but never implemented it :P Aug 06 02:10:35 ooh Aug 06 02:10:46 ChanServ, you're a disgrace to the +o you always have Aug 06 02:10:49 nah, was unrelated TiagoTiago Aug 06 02:11:08 what happened? Aug 06 02:11:15 bots, meh Aug 06 02:11:23 TiagoTiago: no idea Aug 06 02:11:27 i see Aug 06 02:12:40 bots seem to have moved elsewhere Aug 06 02:12:49 now who's /join'ing #freenode and tell them to fix their friggin webchat with a capcha? Aug 06 02:13:07 MohammadAG: nope, not so fast ;-P Aug 06 02:13:14 lol Aug 06 02:13:29 is there a way i can have separate contacts catalogs, and copy my current one into a new one? Aug 06 02:13:49 TiagoTiago: alas not Aug 06 02:13:58 with default contacts app Aug 06 02:14:43 is there a program that can interface with the builtin app in order to work like that? Aug 06 02:14:53 you can use completely unrelated contacts app from whatever you prefer though, then probably missing ways to copy Aug 06 02:15:01 like, make a copy, and switch the whole catalog of the builtin app when i tell it ito? Aug 06 02:15:14 nope Aug 06 02:15:18 balls :/ Aug 06 02:15:20 none I know of Aug 06 02:15:32 you can im/export vcards Aug 06 02:16:36 maemo contacts doesn't support any multiple books, or groups, or whatever Aug 06 02:16:48 :-S Aug 06 02:17:25 :/ Aug 06 02:17:25 no business grade application Aug 06 02:17:56 how to use 'tab' in xchat in N900? Aug 06 02:18:05 tab? Aug 06 02:18:14 tab key Aug 06 02:18:18 do you mean auto completion for nicks? Aug 06 02:18:22 is the contacts stored as a single file? Aug 06 02:18:24 yes Aug 06 02:18:35 try shift-space Aug 06 02:18:42 I rebound tab to shift-rightarrow Aug 06 02:18:48 which workd for me Aug 06 02:18:54 DocScrutinizer, good, thanks Aug 06 02:18:57 shift-space is much better Aug 06 02:19:15 ohla raster Aug 06 02:19:35 who's osuosl? :-D Aug 06 02:20:04 haha, now freenode checked it and does kline Aug 06 02:20:11 Oooh - it's a raster. Aug 06 02:20:25 :-D Aug 06 02:20:28 DocScrutinizer, bots gone? Aug 06 02:20:36 yeah, long time no see Aug 06 02:20:37 is there a way i can sandbox programs in maemo? (like, trick the program into thinking it is running in the system itself, but actually it's a copy of the system and it doesn't mess up anything permanently) Aug 06 02:20:37 Here to tease us with his 14GHz multicore phone prototype with a holographic display, and a fleshlight. Aug 06 02:20:45 DocScrutinizer, I read the log you gave me about overclocking, and I understand now, thank you. but do you recommend 'upgrading' the kernel to the advance kernel without overclocking? and why? Aug 06 02:20:49 MohammadAG: Aug 06 02:20:51 [2010-08-06 04:19:02] --> RcP3QX hat den Kanal betreten (5db0f1bb@gateway/web/freenode/session). Aug 06 02:20:52 [2010-08-06 04:19:02] <-- RcP3QX hat den Server verlassen (Disconnected by services). Aug 06 02:20:53 TiagoTiago: yes. Aug 06 02:21:04 DocScrutinizer: kline? Aug 06 02:21:09 TiagoTiago: you copy / into /home/data/chroot or something Aug 06 02:21:15 SpeedEvil: i deny that allegation Aug 06 02:21:16 TiagoTiago: and then chroot into that Aug 06 02:21:17 kinda like how Sandboxie (http://www.sandboxie.com/)( works in Windows Aug 06 02:21:19 hmm Aug 06 02:21:27 * MohammadAG wonders who the other peeps in the ban list are Aug 06 02:22:02 TiagoTiago: do you have a clue with linux? Aug 06 02:22:04 Smhar: I didn't recommend that, it's just needed for some usecases - like netfilters/iptables for hotspot Aug 06 02:22:27 not much, no Aug 06 02:23:03 TiagoTiago: It's possible, but basically nothing is setup for it, and there is no friendly manner for doing it. Aug 06 02:23:07 Here wit Dee Sis N Bro We Bored....... Lol U Kan Get Wit Diz U Kan Get Wit Dat<-----Insider..... Well Ya Girlz Iz Bein Stupid Wit Dee Sis.. 8lvxdLaQaLmFb Aug 06 02:23:45 seems someone just found some sort of proxy and is teesting how to troll and bypass bans... Aug 06 02:23:50 TiagoTiago: There are some problems, as for example, you cannot have multiple desktops running rasily at once - or two phone-UIs Aug 06 02:23:51 If u actually think I'ma "playboy", I got a futuristic jetpack wit gold trimmings dat u can buy from me for $10. -__- 7Nb3bSnqnQYw Aug 06 02:24:07 WTF IS WRONG WITH FREENODE Aug 06 02:24:15 lulz Aug 06 02:24:16 o.O Aug 06 02:24:22 I do as it happens have a design for a hoverboard. Aug 06 02:24:27 might as well ban *@* :P Aug 06 02:24:31 $60000 or so. Aug 06 02:24:40 Up to 4Km in 5 minutes. Aug 06 02:24:48 (6 if you don't want to come back down) Aug 06 02:24:58 DocScrutinizer, any 'side effect' on using the advanced kernel? reasons not to use it Aug 06 02:25:18 fcam won't work, for example Aug 06 02:25:34 recompiled modules work :) Aug 06 02:26:20 fcam is not used anyway Aug 06 02:27:49 video recording doesnt work here with that kernel, no idea why Aug 06 02:28:22 Does anyone else see really bad vignetting with fcam? Aug 06 02:28:59 raster: kline?? Aug 06 02:29:01 Actually - fcam and the stock camera after installing fcam Aug 06 02:29:22 ohla raster Aug 06 02:29:22 who's osuosl? :-D Aug 06 02:29:23 haha, now freenode checked it and does kline Aug 06 02:29:42 aah, 3rd line was unrelated Aug 06 02:29:48 aaaah Aug 06 02:29:48 ok Aug 06 02:31:58 weird, seems on #freenode everybody is so busy fighting the web gateway bot attack - nobody even got a 5s to answer my inquiry abot it :-D Aug 06 02:33:47 web gateway bot attack? Aug 06 02:34:07 DocScrutinizer, what attack? Aug 06 02:34:25 see backscroll? Aug 06 02:34:50 [2010-08-06 04:23:51] If u actually think I'ma "playboy", I got a futuristic jetpack wit gold trimmings dat u can buy from me for $10. -__- 7Nb3bSnqnQYw Aug 06 02:34:52 [2010-08-06 04:24:00] *** MohammadAG setzt Modus: +b *!*c958e47b@*.201.88.228.123 Aug 06 02:34:53 [2010-08-06 04:24:00] *** MohammadAG hat b5fn6 aus dem Kanal geworfen (b5fn6). Aug 06 02:35:10 DocScrutinizer, sorry, wasn't here for that, my bouncer probably has it, but I can't access that from my N900 Aug 06 02:35:23 ah Aug 06 02:39:37 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-06.log.html#t2010-08-06T05:23:51 Aug 06 02:39:39 there Aug 06 02:40:09 and there are many other instances of some random named "person" saying things like that in the log Aug 06 02:40:51 TiagoTiago, thanks. Aug 06 02:48:37 I'm off Aug 06 02:48:40 might stay on the N900 a bit Aug 06 02:48:42 Is imap and maildir better than pop3 and mbox? which one should I use with claws-mail in N900? Aug 06 02:51:20 * mortini casually rasterizes raster. Aug 06 02:51:26 Is imap and maildir better than pop3 and mbox? which one should I use with claws-mail in N900? Aug 06 02:51:32 * mortini flattens to layer. Aug 06 02:52:28 * raster already is rasterised Aug 06 02:53:23 Is imap and maildir better than pop3 and mbox? which one should I use with claws-mail in N900? Aug 06 02:53:39 MohammadAG51: wut? don't go!! Aug 06 02:53:47 :-D Aug 06 02:54:21 raster: lies! Aug 06 02:55:20 Smhar: they are unrelated. I'd prefer mdir, and imap seems to work sub par on maemo mail app Aug 06 02:55:28 so go for pop3 maybe Aug 06 02:55:45 ooh claws Aug 06 02:55:50 is claws mail usable on the n900? Aug 06 02:55:58 does it work on PR1.2? Aug 06 02:56:25 no idea bout claws, some are using it I heard Aug 06 02:57:17 i saw it pre-1.2, just never tried it Aug 06 02:57:33 Maemo's builtin mail is worthless... it takes forever to load and I have never successfuly been able to send a message, even though my smtp settings are 100% correct. Aug 06 02:57:47 seems most normal linux apps built on n900 are kinda meh to use becuase the UI is for normal linux Aug 06 02:58:01 mortini, it is stable enough for me Aug 06 02:58:07 xnt14[N900]: i disagree. Aug 06 02:58:13 * xnt14[N900] wants a hildonized thunderbird for maemo... Aug 06 02:58:15 xnt14[N900]: it's beyond worthless. Aug 06 02:58:27 I love that it randomly checks email. Aug 06 02:58:37 mortini, fine, its good for reading email... Aug 06 02:58:40 lol Aug 06 02:58:41 I was on call this week, and at 2am, it decided to check for mail Aug 06 02:58:49 so, it goes BONG Aug 06 02:59:02 for email delivered ~12 hours before Aug 06 02:59:08 xnt14[N900]: not in my experience Aug 06 02:59:11 I'm having issues sending msgs too :/ Aug 06 02:59:11 brb Aug 06 02:59:21 whever i try to read email it says somehting about not being able to read the msg on server Aug 06 02:59:38 reading haven't been an issue so far though Aug 06 02:59:57 idk, i had to create a seperate account just for the mail client because it can't handle mail of any volume **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 06 02:59:58 2010