**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 11 02:59:57 2010 Aug 11 04:23:01 Really? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60131 Aug 11 04:23:34 Hehe Aug 11 04:28:43 Someone blames Symbian for the mistakes of maemo Aug 11 04:29:10 * RST38h yawns: people tend to blame (and get offended) by wrong things Aug 11 04:29:49 The original guy who created the poll did not try blaming council for anything. He simply questioned council's relevancy Aug 11 04:47:20 moo Aug 11 04:47:58 wow, tmo really went downhill after last night Aug 11 04:48:20 moo Doc Aug 11 04:48:26 Sts: last night? really? :) Aug 11 04:49:42 RST38h: the bye bye nokia thread makes for ample entertainment Aug 11 04:50:00 Stskeeps: Tmo has been down hill for a long time :P Aug 11 04:50:20 The thread may have given it a push Aug 11 04:50:35 Sts: I should start ordering popcorn via the Net. Aug 11 04:51:09 Sts: It is especially entertaining to keep track of the join dates ;) Aug 11 04:51:40 heh - 'how impotent this structure is' Aug 11 04:51:43 good ole tmo Aug 11 04:51:58 spewing sewage at every opportunity Aug 11 04:53:51 Sts: "How can I disable screen rotation animation? (Feb 2010) -- You cannot do it in Maemo5, if you do it, it will break your phone. (Aug 2010)" Aug 11 04:54:19 Break :P heh Aug 11 04:56:19 ok, ttg Aug 11 05:10:37 damn, no more microwave popcorn :-S Aug 11 05:11:01 silvermountain is damn good at putting one in a good mood. Aug 11 05:11:20 lol Aug 11 05:11:40 TermanaN900, Symbian HAS hurt Maemo Aug 11 05:11:43 leme edit that Aug 11 05:11:45 At the management level Aug 11 05:12:54 GAN900: im listening Aug 11 05:13:15 Tell me how symbian itself made this happen Aug 11 05:13:39 TermanaN900, Symbian as a product takes resources and focus away from Maemo. Aug 11 05:14:19 If Symbian didn't exist, or the dinosaurs in management weren't just that then Maemo could've been where it is today 2 years ago. Aug 11 05:14:58 Why was the N900 dropped like a rock? Why is Maemo 5 a flaky piece of shit? Because Symbian exists. Aug 11 05:15:19 It comes down to management and its attitudes. Aug 11 05:15:44 Take those away (or change them) and you have real opportunity to succeed. Aug 11 05:16:00 Otherwise you end up here. Aug 11 05:17:39 symbian is a piece of fail, which is why nokia dropped it out of N series Aug 11 05:17:59 apart from n8 which will be the last shitian to bear N series marking Aug 11 05:18:32 Here is what exactly? I dont know about you, but here for me is getting MeeGo thanks to Nokia paying a team to do it and here is also having Android if MeeGo bums out Aug 11 05:18:46 Here is ok for me. Not perfect but ok Aug 11 05:20:14 Here is years behind where it should be Aug 11 05:20:34 if I wanted a police state OS on a phone I don't need to look for shitty symbian, I'd look for apple iOS, blackberry, win mobile, etc Aug 11 05:20:44 Here is repeatedly pissing in the faces of you staunchest supports and LOYAL customers Aug 11 05:21:30 Here is delivering a platform is unstable, underfeatured, and generally not competitive in the market. Aug 11 05:22:33 Here is having the core of your community come apart not once, but THREE times over the course of five years Aug 11 05:22:44 the maemo platform was not really particularly aiming at the mainstream market, its aimed at users who know what they want out of it not some idiot who thinks the device can do literally everything Aug 11 05:22:57 and only managing to continue on thanks to there being no other viable options in the market. Aug 11 05:23:19 and symbian has been epically closed since the dawn of time until they managed to open their asses to the market Aug 11 05:23:23 you know, i'm starting to think that the moment language like 'pissing on it's customers' came instead of collaboration to make things happen, was the moment maemo.org lost it's ways. it's hard collaborating with people who's initial stance is that nokia is a big evil monolith. when in fact, it's mostly structured out of open source developers (from maemo side) Aug 11 05:23:25 hatake_kakashi, a fault of management. Aug 11 05:23:47 Stskeeps, management has made that impossible. Aug 11 05:23:52 GAN900, a fault of management is only because of nokia, not because of maemo.. maemo is just a software platform Aug 11 05:24:39 It's awfully hard to continue investing energy in collaboration when management does everything it can to make it painful and unrewarding. Aug 11 05:24:56 Good people work for a lot of broken and bad organizations Aug 11 05:25:05 hmmm... ever hear about open governance? Aug 11 05:25:11 It doesn't excuse those organizations. Aug 11 05:25:22 it happens, its not an ideal world we live in.. if you want that you can dream of utopia Aug 11 05:25:31 hatake_kakashi, trust me I get it. Aug 11 05:27:00 * GAN900 starts marking off days until the election. Aug 11 05:29:27 *wraghs* i'm getting nuts... Aug 11 05:29:34 mhusj35u Aug 11 05:31:12 how the **** can i get the monitor mode and injections working on n900.... Aug 11 05:31:34 damn cat Aug 11 05:31:56 monitor mode = titan's power kernel.. injection = not available Aug 11 05:32:25 correction, its available, when neopwn2 comes out Aug 11 05:32:26 apparently injection can work Aug 11 05:32:36 read above ^ ^ ^ Aug 11 05:32:42 i do. i do Aug 11 05:32:46 http://406notacceptable.com/guides/aircrack-on-the-n900/ Aug 11 05:33:00 and that's just a blog about rfmon Aug 11 05:33:09 rfmon? Aug 11 05:33:50 rfmon = monitor mode Aug 11 05:34:27 but why does aireplay -9 work? Aug 11 05:35:25 as far as i see on the related screenshots injection is working Aug 11 05:36:54 they're not working on the current version (PR1.2) test for yourself and see Aug 11 05:37:10 i did. thats why i asked Aug 11 05:37:40 ok. i see... the post is from 2009 Aug 11 05:46:39 so my view remains true :p monitor/rfmon = titan's power kernel, injection = neopwnv2 Aug 11 05:47:11 yes. thanks Aug 11 05:47:20 monitor mode is working with titans power kernel now Aug 11 05:47:51 still wondering why injection was possible in previous versions Aug 11 05:50:43 morn wazd Aug 11 05:50:57 Stskeeps: heya :) Aug 11 05:53:29 Stskeeps: how can I get battery info? :P Aug 11 05:53:51 /sys/class/power_supply is always an empty dir Aug 11 05:54:39 luke-jr: usual problem re battery stuff Aug 11 05:54:48 …? Aug 11 05:55:16 everything Google finds is success Aug 11 05:57:34 7 Aug 11 05:58:16 luke-jr: bme Aug 11 06:02:33 any popcorn left? Aug 11 06:03:02 scratch that-- anyone awake? Aug 11 06:03:05 Texrat: morn dude Aug 11 06:03:09 ;) Aug 11 06:03:19 feeling all cathartic now Aug 11 06:03:30 Morning Aug 11 06:03:37 hey X-Fade Aug 11 06:03:42 another day of work ahead for me - fixing rotation/portrait issue in meego, testing out data connectivity over gpr Aug 11 06:03:45 s Aug 11 06:03:57 you are the man stskeeps Aug 11 06:04:10 oh, that reminds me.. i should probably go to work soon Aug 11 06:04:11 and headdesking over tmo, it seems like Aug 11 06:04:17 lol Aug 11 06:04:26 sorry for goign overboard Aug 11 06:04:47 feeling a bit hyper after applying for another job today Aug 11 06:04:57 lo Texrat Aug 11 06:05:05 Working on community OBS over 3G today it seems, always interesting ;) Aug 11 06:05:07 lo DocScrutinizer Aug 11 06:05:26 GAN900 leave? Aug 11 06:05:30 Texrat: noticed on my twitterfeed, crossing fingers for you (and for decreased spam on my twitterfeed from you ;-)) Aug 11 06:05:37 Texrat: thanks for the meego greeters stuff - looks great so far Aug 11 06:05:48 thanks frals. Thank God people at work don't twitter Aug 11 06:05:49 Texrat, almost dead. Aug 11 06:06:20 hey frals Aug 11 06:06:22 awesome. let's finish GAN900 off Aug 11 06:06:22 GAN900: Sleep is for the weak? :) Aug 11 06:06:40 has there been any reports of fmms breakage on TMO? Aug 11 06:06:52 ds3: uh, not that ive seen.. breakage how? Aug 11 06:06:56 wait: this instead: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ollym/4866376372/ Aug 11 06:06:59 Overslept yesterday Aug 11 06:07:02 hey danielwilms Aug 11 06:07:10 what is this 'sleep' thing Aug 11 06:07:26 frals: donno... I just noticed a few days ago that the autoconverted messages for TMO seems to never get received Aug 11 06:07:31 thanks stskeeps re Greeters Aug 11 06:07:42 glad it's becomign relevant Aug 11 06:07:44 silvermountain's thread put me in a mood not conducive to sleep. Aug 11 06:07:51 frals: trying to figure out if it is a known breakage or if it is the power user kernel or if something else amiss Aug 11 06:07:56 Texrat: morning Aug 11 06:08:04 ds3: dont think i follow what you mean Aug 11 06:08:09 OMG Texrat Aug 11 06:08:14 * mece runs Aug 11 06:08:14 OMG mece Aug 11 06:08:19 :D Aug 11 06:08:22 * Texrat runs after Aug 11 06:08:35 * Texrat brandishes +20 sword of instant annhilation Aug 11 06:08:37 crap, the two biggest spammers in my twitterfeed in irc at the same time... this aint gonna end well Aug 11 06:08:37 frals: TMO automatically converts SMS to MMS under certain conditions... I don't seem to receive teh MMS messages anymore if they meet the conversion conditions Aug 11 06:08:58 * Texrat swings Aug 11 06:09:07 frals: so I am trying to trouble shoot. I did change out my kernel for the mobilehotspot app but last i checked, that didn't matter Aug 11 06:09:09 * mece ducks Aug 11 06:09:22 ds3: uh, dunno.. does anything show up in /tmp/fmms.log? Aug 11 06:09:41 if something ducks like a duck, it's definitely mece Aug 11 06:09:56 ds3: it should say something like "sms push received" and some debugging info after that whenever a mms notification is recvd, if it doesnt show up there chances are the mms never makes it to the phone Aug 11 06:10:02 I was aiming to quack his skull Aug 11 06:10:04 lol Aug 11 06:10:12 (or something in your new kernel breaks /sbin/wappushd) Aug 11 06:10:17 sooo.. what's new and exciting? Aug 11 06:10:25 ah, yes, I see that Aug 11 06:10:32 tmo wars! Aug 11 06:10:40 it's vogue now to hate on the council Aug 11 06:11:12 if I' going to be a despised politician, dammit, I want the bribes and women too! Aug 11 06:11:21 those were from failed sends... Aug 11 06:11:28 let me send a test. Aug 11 06:12:37 texrat, well it's just people who have never clicked any other link up there than the "TALK" link, so who cares? Aug 11 06:12:53 sigh... the test message works Aug 11 06:13:01 I'll watch fmms.log next time Aug 11 06:13:05 unless you count qwerty's emo quit Aug 11 06:14:10 qwerty's emo quit was almost epic Aug 11 06:14:18 just laxked... something Aug 11 06:14:21 lacked too Aug 11 06:15:59 why does people seem to think his rant included a lash out against you, texrat? well, except for the council in general Aug 11 06:16:10 it did stskeeps Aug 11 06:16:17 mayeb he disguised it well though Aug 11 06:16:23 did you ever wikipedia benedict arnold? Aug 11 06:16:34 that wasn't just it Aug 11 06:17:08 I knew who Benedict was anyway-- funny thing is that's not my true last name. Stepdad's ;) Aug 11 06:17:12 * DocScrutinizer sneaks over a suitcase of virtual credits to Texrat - written 'BRIBE' on it in BIG RED letters Aug 11 06:17:50 qwerty had some other dig at me... forget it offhand. I was more pissed that he slammed attila77, et al Aug 11 06:18:15 who would slam attila77? seriously Aug 11 06:19:15 If I was a woman I would have Attila's baby. What a freaking genius it would be Aug 11 06:19:28 * Stskeeps shrugs and gets on with work, too busy for politics Aug 11 06:19:33 ;) Aug 11 06:21:10 Stskeeps, we were actually talking about the cauncil.. (a bit late answer, I know) Aug 11 06:21:49 s/cauncil/council/ Aug 11 06:21:50 mece meant: Stskeeps, we were actually talking about the council.. (a bit late answer, I know) Aug 11 06:23:43 Jaffa just added a very thoughtful post to the discussion at tmo Aug 11 06:23:58 to balance out my bitching at silvermountain Aug 11 06:26:39 word out to all Maemo/MeeGo developers and infrastructure supporters: THANK YOU! Aug 11 06:27:23 i still maintain the giraffe phases are in full swing Aug 11 06:27:24 :P Aug 11 06:34:27 Stskeeps: what does BME have to do with sysfs? Aug 11 06:34:41 luke-jr: well, there's no kernel interface for battery info then Aug 11 06:34:48 … Aug 11 06:37:53 and of course BME doesn't run w/o a bunch of ridiculous deps Aug 11 06:39:35 your view of a ridicolous dep is gconf Aug 11 06:39:35 :P Aug 11 06:39:47 of course, gconf is ridiculous Aug 11 06:40:00 it's part of GNOME proper Aug 11 06:40:04 I don't want that crap on my system Aug 11 06:45:02 Stskeeps: I see nothing in drivers/power/bq27x00_battery.c suggesting BME is needed Aug 11 06:45:08 Stskeeps: (giraffe) My take on it: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=782506#post782506 Aug 11 06:46:17 luke-jr: bme and sysfs are 2 separate things Aug 11 06:46:27 DocScrutinizer: Stskeeps just implicated BME :p Aug 11 06:46:58 DocScrutinizer: so any idea how to get sysfs to work? Aug 11 06:47:38 sure, write decent drivers for bq27200, and of course for the generic battery/power sysnodes Aug 11 06:48:05 what about bq27x00_battery? Aug 11 06:48:35 sorry, not completely awake yet. Dunno about bq27x00_battery Aug 11 06:48:49 and I'm falling asleep Aug 11 06:48:50 x.x Aug 11 06:49:00 just know there's a rather rudimentary bq27200 sysnode driver in power kernel Aug 11 06:49:25 presumably the same one I'm talking about that doesn't do anything Aug 11 06:49:31 and seem to recall the power/battery sysnodes are borked or missing completely Aug 11 06:50:52 general notion sems to be userland must not access sysnodes (debatably) and this has to go to hal. OTOH I heard hal is dead Aug 11 06:51:49 yeah old news, xorg1.8 is already HAL-free Aug 11 06:56:29 so actually we face some problem here, as there is *no* kernel part of bme (despite some say there is) - afaik - and otoh probably jrbme should create those sysnodes to deliver prover figures about charge state of battery etc, and also to control charging mode, boost mode etc. but then jrbme is clearly a userland project Aug 11 06:57:03 couldn't jrbme technically be a kernel driver though? Aug 11 06:57:11 sure could Aug 11 06:58:06 it's just getting much more ambitious Aug 11 06:58:27 Morning, all Aug 11 06:58:44 replacing hal-addon-bme by hal-addon-jrbme for sure is much easier Aug 11 06:58:51 moo Jaffa Aug 11 06:59:21 this should be interesting enough for the people around here to warrant a paste: http://wolfie.github.com/2010/08/10/unconventional-typing.html Aug 11 06:59:32 though arguably all those hal-addon-* are botches Aug 11 07:02:17 for anybody interested in it: look at OM and how it's done there - same bq27000 chip (just in battery where it belongs) and kernel driver reading out that chip and creating some standard conforming sysnodes for it Aug 11 07:03:20 the driver for dumb GTA01 battery is just replacing the bq27000 parts by some rather cute guesswork paulfertser implemented Aug 11 07:04:19 aiui hal is reading these sysnodes to present the notorious lines in lshal Aug 11 07:05:33 but that would mean we need to fix hal-addon-bme to do the right thing (reading sysnodes) rather than talking to hal on bme's behalf. Or we fix hal itself Aug 11 07:06:27 too much before my 2nd yet to have coffee kicks in Aug 11 07:09:28 and in general... Aug 11 07:09:34 ~batteryfaq Aug 11 07:09:35 batteryfaq is probably http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers Aug 11 07:09:40 once more :-D Aug 11 07:10:00 also tangents that topic Aug 11 07:10:42 Ha. In my response to silvermountain's "Nokia representative in the forum" I've got a Thanks for Peter :-) Aug 11 07:11:08 Nice! Aug 11 07:12:29 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#So.2C_how_do_i_use_.22dumb.22_batteries_with_my_freerunner.3F ff Aug 11 07:14:48 Jaffa, I like how mmurfin87 proved your point :D Aug 11 07:15:42 mece: Without even knowing it :) Aug 11 07:16:15 Jaffa, also "How important am I to the Council and the community at large?" made me LOL Aug 11 07:16:40 oh noes! abill_uk is viewing the thread! RUN! Aug 11 07:24:03 * achipa runs to the hills Aug 11 07:24:54 * achipa realizes the nearest hills are about 130km away Aug 11 07:24:56 Stskeeps: (kernel jrbme) as soon as paul fertser gets his developers device, I'm rather sure, with a *little* help from nokia regarding requirement specs for BL-5J charging management, we will see a devent kernel drive in almost no time Aug 11 07:25:26 decent even Aug 11 07:25:38 and driver Aug 11 07:39:20 anyone here familiar w/ hkl's transit cards? Aug 11 07:39:33 hey does qml work on N900? Aug 11 07:39:35 i think i accidentally told it i'm a child Aug 11 07:39:43 how do i tell it to stop? Aug 11 07:39:48 * mece just saw a demo and dropped his jaw Aug 11 07:39:54 mece: what kind of question is that? Aug 11 07:40:21 qml is presumably parsed by qt4.6+'s xml parser Aug 11 07:40:33 timeless, so... yes? Aug 11 07:40:38 which presumably makes it into some useful dom Aug 11 07:40:54 and does things the same way qt would on any other platform.. Aug 11 07:41:15 hkl? Aug 11 07:41:30 helsinki transit Aug 11 07:41:58 timeless, umm..k. righty-o. Well, that does sound like... Well it sounds like victory Aug 11 07:41:58 hrm, this n900's running low on power Aug 11 07:42:06 timeless: cought in a driverless taxi and autopilot doesn't accept your requests as you answered "I'm under 14" ? Aug 11 07:42:20 on a train Aug 11 07:42:43 and i've now paid 2x 1.70eur instead of 1x 2.50eur Aug 11 07:42:44 timeless: just stop talking to the card and you'll be fine Aug 11 07:42:54 timeless: you have to silently sit and wait until it stps for recharge :-P Aug 11 07:43:02 fragment: how long do i have to do that? Aug 11 07:43:35 is there no cancel button on that thing? Aug 11 07:43:53 there are four buttons Aug 11 07:43:57 L 1 2 3 Aug 11 07:44:05 timeless: that is the range, not "child/adult" Aug 11 07:44:07 well, sometimes there's a 0 Aug 11 07:44:13 timeless: then when it stops you kick the autopilot to oblivion and break a windhield to get out of it Aug 11 07:44:41 * timeless offers docs anS Aug 11 07:44:49 timeless: isn't there a time difference in the ticket price? Aug 11 07:44:55 trade me a space for it? Aug 11 07:45:00 like, rush hour vs not Aug 11 07:45:00 windShiled Aug 11 07:45:05 fsack Aug 11 07:45:12 timeless: where are you going to and from? Aug 11 07:45:12 sts: please forgive me for not having a clue Aug 11 07:45:17 * DocScrutinizer stops that ... Aug 11 07:45:32 central railway Aug 11 07:45:43 helsinki immigration police Aug 11 07:45:50 via a K train, i think Aug 11 07:45:52 timeless: if you are travelling only inside helsinki, always use 1 Aug 11 07:46:03 fragment: yeah yeah Aug 11 07:46:04 timeless: if you go from espoo to helsinki for example, use 2 Aug 11 07:46:09 but how do i undo L? Aug 11 07:46:23 the 1 part i know, but i accidentally hit L Aug 11 07:46:33 and now it's treating me like a child Aug 11 07:46:38 or a pair of children Aug 11 07:46:48 ah, conductor person Aug 11 07:46:49 hello you two :-D Aug 11 07:46:55 brb Aug 11 07:46:56 timeless, cry halp :D Aug 11 07:46:57 timeless: the L area is espoo/vantaa/whatever but not helsinki Aug 11 07:47:09 lol Aug 11 07:48:16 conductor useless Aug 11 07:48:24 timeless: :D Aug 11 07:48:26 *sigh* Aug 11 07:48:38 mece: my thoughts exactly Aug 11 07:48:51 fragment: i know what L0123 do Aug 11 07:49:02 timeless: you simply have to pass future controls in two halves ;-D Aug 11 07:49:18 what i don't know is how to get the card to *forget* L Aug 11 07:49:22 timeless: well, I'm not sure if you can cancel it, you could try pressing 1 but it might charge you again Aug 11 07:49:25 override it? Aug 11 07:49:38 it did charge me again Aug 11 07:49:49 as i said, i'm now *two* children Aug 11 07:49:55 hit the hige [C] button? Aug 11 07:49:57 timeless: or just forget it and act like a tourist if a conductor asks ;D Aug 11 07:50:02 huge Aug 11 07:50:29 right Aug 11 07:50:34 off to see the police Aug 11 07:50:35 timeless, install the latest meego snapshot on it, then write a program that removes the L and run it. As root. Aug 11 07:50:47 yes. Aug 11 07:51:06 right, because these boxes are unlocked and don't require signed firmware Aug 11 07:51:21 hrm "where am i?" Aug 11 07:51:47 I think you'll do best with the vehicle entertainment version of meego, since you're in a vehicle, and we're entertained. Aug 11 07:52:05 >>don't IRC and drive<< Aug 11 07:52:36 DocScrutinizer, I don't think timeless is actually driving the train. Aug 11 07:52:48 why not Aug 11 07:53:13 i don't have a driver's license Aug 11 07:53:27 fragment, ^^ Aug 11 07:53:28 besides, the train just left the station without me Aug 11 07:53:39 * timeless climbs stairs Aug 11 07:53:42 :-/ Aug 11 07:53:58 well, it's a good thing Aug 11 07:53:59 so.. did you miss it or get to the station before you got things sorted? Aug 11 07:54:06 ah, ok :) Aug 11 07:54:11 * DocScrutinizer feels like participating in a MUD Aug 11 07:54:13 @dest Aug 11 07:54:15 :D Aug 11 07:54:22 they don't always check tickets Aug 11 07:54:39 but the fine is 40 or 80 eur, i can't recall Aug 11 07:55:34 I got fined in Norway once, because the train forgot to stop at my station, so I had to take another train back, and it was outside my zone. I yelled at the guy fining me a little. Also wrote an angry letter and didn't pay anything. Aug 11 07:56:00 neat Aug 11 07:56:09 i overshot in paris like that Aug 11 07:56:27 and then i realized i had an interrail ass which i think covered uit Aug 11 07:56:31 mece: and now you're banned from norway?:) Aug 11 07:56:42 so i had been wasting money buying tickets Aug 11 07:57:07 @final dest Aug 11 07:57:14 enter queue of doom Aug 11 07:57:30 timeless: inventory Aug 11 07:57:32 fragment, no, my angry letter was so angry that they waived the fine. Aug 11 07:57:55 nice Aug 11 07:57:58 1 charged n900 Aug 11 07:58:05 i vote jrbme becomes a kernel driver Aug 11 07:58:05 1 nearly empty n900 Aug 11 07:58:13 1 mbp Aug 11 07:58:24 1 heavy laptop enabled backpack Aug 11 07:58:36 1 usb card reader Aug 11 07:58:45 2 usb sticks Aug 11 07:58:48 my wallcharger broke :( Aug 11 07:58:50 1 wallet Aug 11 07:58:56 timeless: no smartcard readers? Aug 11 07:58:58 0 wall chargers Aug 11 07:59:00 kerio: mine as well Aug 11 07:59:06 err, no smartcards to go with the reader Aug 11 07:59:09 ? Aug 11 07:59:12 hey guys, anyone knows what "usb_bulk_write: Resource temporarily unavailable" means? Aug 11 07:59:19 once i get back home i'll send everything to nokia Aug 11 07:59:21 4 in wallet, 1 in reader Aug 11 07:59:21 I'm trying to send the meego kernel to my N900 Aug 11 07:59:24 btw here is a demo for the N900: http://download.hedelmae.fi/derelict.zip Aug 11 07:59:33 here's a full output -> http://pastie.org/private/evktu7tvt24n7kvg3uasfa Aug 11 07:59:49 the one in reader has an unknown passphrase Aug 11 07:59:58 which is somewhat problematic :o Aug 11 08:00:03 timeless: just bin it Aug 11 08:00:11 if not at least fairly useless Aug 11 08:00:14 halfbroken vibra, broken red led, broken wallcharger... Aug 11 08:00:21 timeless: well, unless you have the master key Aug 11 08:00:26 that should be enough for a full substitution, right? Aug 11 08:00:50 timeless: if you have the master key, you can send the needed APDUs to kill the APP and USER ROM Aug 11 08:00:56 kerio: my real n900 has a broken top frame Aug 11 08:01:14 kerio: maybe Aug 11 08:01:25 hmm, i need to find more problems Aug 11 08:01:31 my screen is scratched Aug 11 08:01:38 crashanddie: are these things i can likely find easily on an inactive w7 partition? Aug 11 08:01:47 timeless: no Aug 11 08:01:58 timeless: you need specific tools, specific codes Aug 11 08:02:21 heh Aug 11 08:02:33 kerio: scratched screen doesn't help Aug 11 08:02:37 the person sitting next to me has been here for probably gt5mins Aug 11 08:02:53 DocScrutinizer: i know, but i need a replace :) Aug 11 08:02:57 she finally leans across the table to the person across Aug 11 08:03:00 timeless: the tool, I may happen to, I dunno, dump it on an FTP and mistakenly dump you the link to it, you know, by accident Aug 11 08:03:07 it seems they know eachother quite well Aug 11 08:03:11 timeless: the codes, depends on the model and vendor of smartcard Aug 11 08:03:23 hmm... internal battery doesn't hold a charge Aug 11 08:03:37 is that something one can determine from the printed bits on the card? Aug 11 08:03:56 yeah, on the side where the magstrip is, either top right or lower left Aug 11 08:04:31 kinda long Aug 11 08:04:34 well, you can also get the model and vendor using specific APDUs, but you need the tools first :P Aug 11 08:04:43 timeless: gimme the 5 last numbers/letters Aug 11 08:05:22 DocScrutinizer: red led is MIA, vibra gets stuck often, internal battery can't hold a charge, wallcharger is broken, and let's also say the battery life feels shorter Aug 11 08:05:29 is that enough? Aug 11 08:05:44 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Aug 11 08:05:57 for me it'd be, dunno about your dealer Aug 11 08:06:10 my dealer? Aug 11 08:06:20 nokia Aug 11 08:06:39 then I guess sou'll get a repair, no full swap Aug 11 08:06:49 :x Aug 11 08:07:01 but my screen is scratched! Aug 11 08:07:22 and by that i mean that it had some defects that have materialized as scratches Aug 11 08:07:24 yes, and you'll get everything new, except the scratched screen :-P Aug 11 08:07:41 :( :( :( Aug 11 08:07:50 low battery Aug 11 08:08:08 * DocScrutinizer hit's "save game" Aug 11 08:08:14 hits Aug 11 08:08:48 ok, what can i do to get a screen replace? Aug 11 08:09:08 "computer! save scene "crashandie at station" to storage, and end program" Aug 11 08:09:20 "the touchscreen sometimes feels unresponsive!" Aug 11 08:09:31 i love that word, "sometimes" Aug 11 08:09:51 DocScrutinizer: we went to PM :P Aug 11 08:10:24 DocScrutinizer: I'm thinking you would thoroughly enjoy working with smart cards Aug 11 08:11:15 barisione, lcuk, X-Fade : Monorail 0.4 is still not on extras-devel, although it was uploaded yesterday and I got the mail from "Maemo Extras Builder" saying it compiled fine Aug 11 08:11:33 OUCH: http://pastebin.com/GAxYw8yN Aug 11 08:11:35 DocScrutinizer: if you're interested in going into infosec, I can get you a lunchtime meeting with previous colleagues of mine, there's a couple of offices in germany Aug 11 08:12:11 crashanddie: there has to be a reason you quit Aug 11 08:12:20 DocScrutinizer: yeah, they sent me to australia :P Aug 11 08:12:26 lol Aug 11 08:12:39 and? Aug 11 08:12:57 hatake_kakashi: I'm a european bloke, and gf lives in France, so I came back here Aug 11 08:13:09 crashanddie: anyway I might come back to you wrt that Aug 11 08:13:13 crashanddie, mmhmm ok Aug 11 08:13:14 anytime Aug 11 08:13:47 anyway, gotta get registered for social security, and the movers are finally delivering all my stuff from australia -- been living out of a suitcase for the past 8 months now Aug 11 08:14:01 'later Aug 11 08:14:19 iwoohoo, passport Aug 11 08:14:23 i'm leg!! Aug 11 08:14:35 * timeless trips twice walking out of office Aug 11 08:14:42 i'm legal! Aug 11 08:14:53 low battery Aug 11 08:29:19 * timeless curses Aug 11 08:29:25 for a while i could use buzz from my n900 now it forces me to use gmail! Aug 11 08:29:32 WOW :D "put http://youtu.be/gJF9CWkeYlM in background and watch http://bit.ly/cSLeU1, start simultaneously." Aug 11 08:32:48 morning all Aug 11 08:33:05 mornin lardman Aug 11 08:33:24 * timeless tries to get off the train at the wrong stop Aug 11 08:33:43 timeless: the train wouldn't let you? ;) Aug 11 08:33:47 hi mece Aug 11 08:34:03 the station disagreed w/ my pattern recognizer Aug 11 08:34:13 so i had to return to the train Aug 11 08:34:45 timeless: what'z buzz? Aug 11 08:35:14 * BCMM looks it up.... oh, google buzz? Aug 11 08:35:35 * lardman considers the steps necessary to use a usb stick to boot Linux on his new PC Aug 11 08:36:03 buzz.google.com Aug 11 08:36:05 new PCs tend to be fairly good at USB booting don't they? Aug 11 08:36:07 lardman: Go all the way Aug 11 08:36:25 timeless: and they have some sort of user-agent identifier that goes "mobile browser! redirect to gmail"? Aug 11 08:36:26 pcs from '05 tend to be good at usb booting Aug 11 08:36:28 no idea, will find out soon enough ;) Aug 11 08:36:36 bcmm: no Aug 11 08:36:46 mobile browsers can use buzz.google.co Aug 11 08:36:57 desktop browsers get mail.google Aug 11 08:37:02 timeless: so what stops you using it? Aug 11 08:37:08 the n900 is a desktop browser Aug 11 08:37:12 (again) Aug 11 08:37:15 *sob* Aug 11 08:37:23 sp3000 \. Aug 11 08:38:24 morning #maemo \o Aug 11 08:39:19 timeless: yeah but it runs on what is, arguably, a phone Aug 11 08:39:47 hey lcuk Aug 11 08:39:59 lcuk: where's that liq* update? ;) Aug 11 08:40:19 timeless, try this then: www.google.com/mobile/buzz/ Aug 11 08:41:27 oh that yes, I have been a bit distracted with stuff Aug 11 08:41:50 omg i got it - my screen has a couple of "light" spots Aug 11 08:42:12 timeless, no https://m.google.com/app/buzz?force=1 Aug 11 08:42:12 they wouldn't switch just the cover, right? Aug 11 08:42:32 lcuk: me too, don't worry was just ribbing Aug 11 08:42:35 amazing - nobody wants to post where abill_uk did :-D Aug 11 08:42:44 timeless, that works on my disektop firefox. Aug 11 08:42:45 at that point they just give me a new n900 Aug 11 08:42:51 lardman, done some little tweaks to the makefile Aug 11 08:43:03 I think theres a mechanism to build happily for arm and x86 now :) Aug 11 08:43:07 without modification Aug 11 08:43:37 and MohammadAG51 threw a spanner in works by threatening to submit it to ubuntu Aug 11 08:43:51 he was playing with calendar on his 12" x86 tablet Aug 11 08:44:06 hmm, would be good on a larger screen actually Aug 11 08:44:11 it is Aug 11 08:44:19 red led is MIA, vibra is stuck half the time, internal battery can't hold the time, screen has light spots, wallcharger doesn't work Aug 11 08:44:24 but my tablet broke for touch input so I stopped looking Aug 11 08:44:35 I just know it works ;) Aug 11 08:44:36 kerio: I've got some of those light spots on my screen Aug 11 08:45:09 kerio, wow. Mine has a small scratch on the screen. That's it. Aug 11 08:45:13 ok, turns out i'm wrong Aug 11 08:45:21 * lcuk is getting fitted for my crown soon Aug 11 08:45:22 1.70 is the regular fair Aug 11 08:45:29 kept hoping they were just grot, but no, looks like something is a bit damaged - still works mind you Aug 11 08:45:33 timeless, I'm not sure what you actually asked for with the buzz btw.. Aug 11 08:45:40 lcuk: hmm.... Aug 11 08:45:46 timeless, cheap Aug 11 08:45:51 which means i was paying for two adults Aug 11 08:45:54 timeless: i know it's a firefox-based browser, but some browser detection scripts do have it's UA down as a mobile thing Aug 11 08:45:57 * timeless = stupid Aug 11 08:46:10 yeah lardman the other work is nearly done, spent last few months getting other issues sorted :) Aug 11 08:46:32 bcmm: google had switched to marking us as mobile for a while for news Aug 11 08:46:35 timeless: i don't believe that there is a clear qualitative difference between a mobile and desktop browser (unless it's just a WAP browser of course) Aug 11 08:46:42 recently they switched back to desktop Aug 11 08:46:44 timeless: lol Aug 11 08:46:45 timeless: for google search too Aug 11 08:47:14 i'd change the Ua Aug 11 08:47:14 er Aug 11 08:47:16 the UA Aug 11 08:47:43 timeless: 1.70 for the fee, 1.70 for laughs and giggles Aug 11 08:48:01 heh Aug 11 08:48:06 it is annoying when website have two versions and no way to manually choose between them Aug 11 08:48:07 teehee Aug 11 08:48:16 BCMM, very. Aug 11 08:48:18 * timeless tries to get off at the wrong subway station Aug 11 08:48:24 today's going great.. Aug 11 08:48:30 bcmm: indeed Aug 11 08:48:35 it's odd though Aug 11 08:48:37 timeless, we appreciate the entertainment though. Aug 11 08:48:40 timeless: that's easy, did that yesterday. =) Aug 11 08:48:41 gmail lets you switch Aug 11 08:48:46 mece: thanks Aug 11 08:48:47 timeless: (wrong station) again?? Aug 11 08:48:51 mece: especially on the n900, actually: sometimes you'll want the mobile version to read in portrait mode, sometimes you'll want the full version because it has more features and works fine Aug 11 08:48:55 glad someone benefited Aug 11 08:49:01 and the site will usually give you the opposite of what you want Aug 11 08:49:06 Hi ! Aug 11 08:49:13 also, it's extremely annoying that the BBC doesn't have a mobile version of it's RSS feeds Aug 11 08:49:28 BCMM, exactly. It's nice to have the iphone version of sites sometimes, but there has to be a quick way to get to the proper site. Aug 11 08:49:35 and vice versa. Aug 11 08:49:39 docs: a few mins ago it was pasila instead of hel Aug 11 08:49:39 this time kamppi instead of ruho Aug 11 08:49:39 timeless, when you do reach your correct station sit down and get a favorite $DRINK and start again Aug 11 08:50:04 yeah, and vice versa because sites often only recognise the n900 as a firefox derivative and give it the standard page Aug 11 08:50:23 lcuk: that reminds me, i'm running low on tropicana Aug 11 08:50:25 of course, even better would be for people to stop manually specifying minimum widths in the desktop versions of things Aug 11 08:50:49 i use mobile version of stuff on my computer quite a lot just so as not to be forced to maximise everything Aug 11 08:51:02 bcmm: yeah the detection logic is generally wrong Aug 11 08:51:07 timeless: btw I got a highlight on doc: but none on docs: Aug 11 08:51:10 Yeah and stop using css and image ... Aug 11 08:51:16 doc: ok Aug 11 08:51:23 nothing wrong with css and images Aug 11 08:51:27 it's just making assumptions about width Aug 11 08:51:29 * timeless can learn :o Aug 11 08:51:39 which even on a desktop, can force you to maximise Aug 11 08:51:47 HTML is very good at dynamically reflowing text Aug 11 08:52:21 images shouldn't be absolutely huge by default, for the same reason Aug 11 08:52:51 timeless: would be a nice feature to have a fast select option between different browser IDs Aug 11 08:52:51 a good example is wolfram alpha, which one might easily want in a small window while most of the screen is taken up by whatever you are working on that required it Aug 11 08:52:59 i always use the mobile version on my desktop Aug 11 08:53:50 doc: please find someone to make a site property plugin for fennec to do that Aug 11 08:54:04 for fenec?? Aug 11 08:54:20 Stskeeps, Nice work with the unstable image releases. Makes things more interesting for bystanders :) Aug 11 08:54:55 * achipa dons tomato-proof protective gear Aug 11 08:55:15 indeed it does mece, removes half of the issues and lets people see/feel without being ubergods Aug 11 08:55:59 mece: thanks - we are still setting up cronjobs. there won't be a weekly this week cos the images break in building phase (bug reports exist) Aug 11 08:57:17 Stskeeps, one thing - could you mention to quim to perhaps alter his blog post Aug 11 08:57:28 lcuk: in regards to? Aug 11 08:57:37 he mentions the 2gb limit and links to the instructions page below where the "perhaps use 4gb" Aug 11 08:57:53 and if user reads down only from where he linked Aug 11 08:57:54 .. Aug 11 08:58:14 it refers to the wiki page, so Aug 11 08:58:41 http://flors.wordpress.com/2010/08/10/running-meego-1-1-unstable-in-your-n900/ Aug 11 08:58:55 2. Install the raw image in a Micro-SD card of 2Gb or more (Linux and Windows instructions). Aug 11 08:59:50 good idea though, I moved the bit about size Aug 11 08:59:51 feel free to comment yourself on comments Aug 11 08:59:55 to where it would be shown Aug 11 09:00:00 BTW, that requires flashing a new kernel, right? Aug 11 09:00:06 Ford_Prefect: no, just loading it Aug 11 09:00:26 * lardman pays attention as he was planning on trying this out Aug 11 09:00:41 lcuk: i still maintain you managed to get a card of <2gb size ;) Aug 11 09:00:43 in either unit Aug 11 09:01:24 Stskeeps, when I buy a 40gb hard drive, formatted size is not 40gb Aug 11 09:02:07 is there a problem with a 2Gb card? Aug 11 09:02:08 no, it's 40*1000^3 or something Aug 11 09:02:09 QObject::connect: Cannot queue arguments of type 'QVariant' << sniff Aug 11 09:02:15 oups wrong window Aug 11 09:02:17 yours was under that Aug 11 09:02:36 and the image is on the limit, the card said 2gb on the box, it says 2gb on the card itself etc, its just not the same 2gb you expect :p Aug 11 09:02:58 lcuk: yes, but the card specs lie, it seems, it was not 2Gb or 2gb Aug 11 09:03:04 Stskeeps, floppy disks - 1.44MB or 1.76MB Aug 11 09:03:07 same disk Aug 11 09:03:16 you're not getting my point. Aug 11 09:03:17 1,44 is the best Aug 11 09:03:26 I wish I knew who came up with that number Aug 11 09:03:47 your card was closer to 1.8gb, not matching either 2gb or 2GB (in kilo=1000 or 1024) Aug 11 09:04:04 I mean, you can argue "I count storage this way", but how can you employ BOTH 1000 and 1024 at the same time ? Aug 11 09:04:11 achipa: probably the max they thought they could push the density to in a disk of that diameter... Aug 11 09:04:30 BCMM: not talking about the physical capacity, but the NUMBER Aug 11 09:04:31 BCMM, formatting layout Aug 11 09:04:38 21 vs 22 cylinders afaik Aug 11 09:04:41 or something like that Aug 11 09:04:56 achipa: which number? 1.44? Aug 11 09:04:59 0.12 *12 ;) Aug 11 09:06:01 as floppies are nearly as old as the Pyramids, why do we expect them to not be counted in multiples of 12? Aug 11 09:06:13 lol Aug 11 09:06:39 why 12 ... this is due to old way of counting using your thumbs Aug 11 09:06:41 BCMM: yes. 1,474,560 bytes - that's fixed, cool Aug 11 09:06:48 lardman: I have floppies - Even 5 1/4 one lying around. Aug 11 09:06:52 ones Aug 11 09:06:58 BCMM: but the trouble is it is 1.44 * 1024 * 1000 Aug 11 09:07:13 achipa: heh Aug 11 09:07:15 BCMM: so you get to use a SI kilo one time and a CS kile the other Aug 11 09:07:22 kilo* Aug 11 09:07:27 Khertan: hmm, people had more thumbs in those days I guess? ;) Aug 11 09:07:33 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk_format Aug 11 09:07:39 from memory floppies were often sold in 3packs, 6packs and 12packs Aug 11 09:07:40 about the meego images, can one actually run applications there, in the current state? I mean stuff you make yourself. Aug 11 09:07:42 achipa: so it is exactly 1440KB? Aug 11 09:07:46 lardman: I grew up with datasettes also known as winding /dev/null Aug 11 09:07:59 i mean, 1440KiB? Aug 11 09:08:01 exactly 1440KiB Aug 11 09:08:03 yes Aug 11 09:08:05 BCMM: yes Aug 11 09:08:09 if you use your left and right thumb to count your hands phalanges you will fount the magic number 12 Aug 11 09:08:09 heh, 1.44KiKb Aug 11 09:08:11 what would you say if I told you 42422 factoids of infobot start with same 4 chars? anybody got anything beating this? Aug 11 09:08:28 chem|st: I was joking, I also grew up with 5 1/4 disks (and tape drives) Aug 11 09:08:37 i guess they must've used 1440KB originally, then someone in marketting "fixed" it Aug 11 09:08:40 I'm not really interested in (or skillful enough) to develop the os, but I would like to get crackin on applications for it :) Aug 11 09:08:42 Stskeeps, one thing for certain, this debate is amusing \m/ who would have thought it would bring back all the feelings from old lol Aug 11 09:08:44 DuckBoot: I have an 8"-er for historical purposes. That's one big plate Aug 11 09:08:46 lardman: not tapedrives... Aug 11 09:08:58 achipa: Uuuh - That's nice Aug 11 09:09:06 well, my infobot only has 6,301 or so factoids Aug 11 09:09:12 DuckBoot: which 4 chars? Aug 11 09:09:23 BCMM: Wuut? Aug 11 09:09:28 lardman: my drive was looking like an ordinary cassettes player Aug 11 09:09:29 DuckBoot: sorry Aug 11 09:09:32 DocScrutinizer: which 4 chars? Aug 11 09:09:49 Stskeeps: what's of interest re hacking in the N900 Meego image? Aug 11 09:09:58 zip Aug 11 09:10:08 BCMM: reflowing text is all fun and games, but some "UI" features can't be reorganized Aug 11 09:10:11 ~listkeys zip Aug 11 09:10:13 Factoid search of 'zip' by key (18): the cool zippi tool ;; pocketzip drive ;; jzip ;; tkzip ;; pocketzip ;; oldtest zipporah ;; prezip ;; oldtest ziphron ;; gtkzip ;; hzip ;; gzip ;; oldtest ziph ;; jazip ;; jargon zip ;; pkzip for linux ;; bzip2 ;; oldtest zippor ;; jargon zipperhead. Aug 11 09:10:13 n900: making it not bootable? :) Aug 11 09:10:33 lardman: plenty? i mean, closed blobs are SGX, bt/wifi firmware and bme Aug 11 09:10:35 hah, he cleaned them out Aug 11 09:10:42 lardman: rest is open. ofono stack is getting integrated, albeit slowly Aug 11 09:10:45 chem|st: yeah had those at school Aug 11 09:11:08 Stskeeps: so do the closed blobs need integration, or will updates be provided for them? Aug 11 09:11:26 lardman: my brother and I where shivering everytime we tried to save something... 50:50 by any chance Aug 11 09:11:36 lardman: we have a build service tracking meego daily/weekly/trunk and publishing those to the open Aug 11 09:11:47 well, open as in 'n900 owning peeps' Aug 11 09:12:06 :) Aug 11 09:12:25 Stskeeps, is there an rss feed I can read that tells about the releases and what's in them? Aug 11 09:12:45 I was going to try the image, and wondered whether I could do anything useful, or if it's just a case of waiting for people who have access to the source/docs to provide the binaries? Aug 11 09:12:54 lardman: well, give it a try first Aug 11 09:13:05 cool Aug 11 09:13:09 mece: ask about this on meego-dev@meego.com please Aug 11 09:13:15 mece: for meego in general Aug 11 09:13:32 lardman: we sit in #meego-arm and work in the open, people can submit changes to our stuff in gitorious Aug 11 09:13:42 mece: but meego-commits@ is a good list to follow Aug 11 09:13:45 (HIGH TRAFFIC) Aug 11 09:14:19 Stskeeps: thanks, will give the image a go and catch up on the ml, etc Aug 11 09:14:46 http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/HandsetTestReport has handset test reports on current issues Aug 11 09:15:40 Stskeeps, I was hoping for something more in the blog post or log post on the web or something. But no worries. I'll keep track via meego.com. Aug 11 09:16:09 perhaps there could be an automated changelog post to forum.meego.com in a particular thread with the weekly releases? Aug 11 09:16:17 or somewhere else.. Aug 11 09:16:38 changelog since last release that is. Aug 11 09:17:12 mece: meego-dev@meego.com i guess would be best to suggest that. Aug 11 09:17:48 Stskeeps, alright, I will. Aug 11 09:19:28 (it's out of my hands, so) Aug 11 09:19:46 Yay ! First successful voting via kisstester ! Too bad I thought it doesn't work yet so thumbed a perfectly innocent bystander package :S Aug 11 09:20:25 hahaha Aug 11 09:20:25 :D Aug 11 09:20:40 achipa, excellent idea, that software btw. Aug 11 09:21:52 Kisstester? I'm afraid it'll do what I think it'll do. Aug 11 09:21:54 mece: the proof is in the pudding - we'll see how much water the 'laziness was is the determining factor' argument holds :P Aug 11 09:22:10 bbl Aug 11 09:22:41 sharpneli: read it as KISStester, maybe it's a bit less misleading Aug 11 09:22:53 or, at least, misleading in a different way Aug 11 09:23:07 hehehe Aug 11 09:24:06 I always have this problem with names... :) I even have a project I feared to publish as the name is hm... questionable ? Aug 11 09:25:32 It's a dead simple PyQt util that prunes conversations history (as with 30k messages my N900 was getting anaphylactic shocks every time I receive an IM) Aug 11 09:26:09 achipa, in times gone by, I used to archive large databases into a side dataset rather than pruning Aug 11 09:26:27 but I agree, this N900 is the first device I have used where entire sms history is available Aug 11 09:26:36 all my old phones used to shout after 500 messages or something Aug 11 09:26:43 lcuk: i guess you haven't used a symbian phone then? Aug 11 09:27:06 mmmpf, router breakdown again Aug 11 09:27:16 some nokia phones definitely had limits Aug 11 09:27:17 korhojoa, i also used to not sms much - yes I have had a couple over the years Aug 11 09:27:18 lcuk: I kind of do backups, so still have them should I need them Aug 11 09:27:21 I used to just move all my messages to a 'old messages' folder Aug 11 09:27:34 i know a girl in finland who couldn't receive stuff w/o deleting stuff Aug 11 09:27:37 my E61 in the end probably had over 10000 sms's stored Aug 11 09:27:48 (wow, come to think of it, that's a hell of a lot of messages) Aug 11 09:27:51 In an onslaught of dark humor I called it "alzheimer" (I blame it on Garth Marenghis Darkplace, which I watched while writing it) Aug 11 09:28:00 achipa, problem is, I vaped my entire history to not much effect Aug 11 09:28:12 so I put it back again Aug 11 09:28:17 did you vacuum? Aug 11 09:28:25 removed folder Aug 11 09:28:29 new database Aug 11 09:28:32 lcuk: hm, it did help me, though I pruned the conversation list, too Aug 11 09:28:53 I was looking at other effects though Aug 11 09:29:03 and the sms was just one part of it Aug 11 09:29:13 so your cleanup will be a diffferent thing achipa Aug 11 09:33:02 [2010-08-11 11:32:04] Factoid search of 'zip' by key (21 of 42422): zip 13464 ;; zip 14613 Aug 11 09:33:31 ~listkeys zip Aug 11 09:33:41 Factoid search of 'zip' by key (21 of 42422): zip 12886 ;; zip 13483 ;; zip 16678 ;; zip 22656 ;; zip 23432 ;; zip 32440 ;; zip 33075 ;; zip 35762 ;; zip 36609 ;; zip 40932 ;; zip 40939 ;; zip 41228 ;; zip 41465 ;; zip 44416 ;; zip 4564 ;; zip 46105 ;; zip 47106 ;; zip 56226 ;; zip 62640 ;; zip 76548 ;; zip 76702. Aug 11 09:33:51 * DocScrutinizer scratches head Aug 11 09:34:02 Android have a virus now, Aug 11 09:34:38 Lucky our backwater plot isn't really a centre of attention Aug 11 09:35:23 also of the ones who'd spot a virus - after all Aug 11 09:41:02 DocScrutinizer: obviously ... Aug 11 09:48:57 Was contemplating some kind of SIP like wakie takie app for home LANs Aug 11 09:49:10 Which runs on desktop and N900 Aug 11 09:49:41 alterego: not very "walkie" then if it's a desktop Aug 11 09:50:14 More like a base station then :P Aug 11 09:50:56 I'm just working on my app ideas list and see what I come up with. Though these things are better in groups usually :P Aug 11 09:52:07 All of my ideas, not sure if they're salable though :( Aug 11 09:52:40 The only one that would be is going back to my previous employment genre .. Aug 11 09:54:57 cradle baby monitor Aug 11 09:57:16 Stskeeps: what's the best codec to use for a boot video for n900 you were saying? Aug 11 09:57:38 wazd: not sure sorry Aug 11 09:57:52 Stskeeps: hmmm :) Aug 11 09:58:02 wazd, XviD Aug 11 09:58:12 MohammadAG51: ah, thanks :) Aug 11 09:58:26 wazd: whatever format the nokia hands are in? :) Aug 11 09:58:47 I'm making a PS3 XMB live wallpaper now :) Aug 11 09:59:09 mostly stealing it from here :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EgpBh9A-zA&fmt=22 Aug 11 09:59:32 wazd, for the N900? cool :D Aug 11 09:59:42 MohammadAG51: yep Aug 11 10:00:10 MohammadAG51: Live Wallpaper app allows to place looped video on the background :) Aug 11 10:00:25 battery suck! :P Aug 11 10:00:57 wazd, yeah, noticed that, it's not @ a high fps though Aug 11 10:01:27 MohammadAG51: well, built in trailers are playing at fullspeed Aug 11 10:01:40 MohammadAG51: captured videos are unusable though Aug 11 10:01:50 yeah, tried those Aug 11 10:01:56 * MohammadAG51 checks trailers Aug 11 10:06:24 alterego: what's wrong with peer2peer sip? Aug 11 10:07:11 hello Aug 11 10:07:57 DocScrutinizer: n900 doesnt support it well Aug 11 10:08:15 cehteh: i'm not sure it supports it at all Aug 11 10:08:16 yes Aug 11 10:08:48 you cant call out at least, i wonder if it can accept calls Aug 11 10:09:04 i like telephons With maemo Aug 11 10:09:26 I'm just juggling ideas, not looking into the current avialability. Aug 11 10:09:50 I don't really have any ideas at the moment. I think I need some beers. Aug 11 10:10:06 cehteh: along the line 'user:"itsme@"' Aug 11 10:10:22 i just trying that Aug 11 10:10:36 no registrar Aug 11 10:10:52 no proxy Aug 11 10:10:57 sip:user@10.40.20.101 ... Aug 11 10:11:02 doesnt work Aug 11 10:11:13 outbound or in? Aug 11 10:11:36 from laptop to n900 Aug 11 10:11:45 mhm Aug 11 10:11:55 for the other way around there isnt even a gui Aug 11 10:11:58 would be interesting to see a pcap Aug 11 10:12:16 cehteh: not sure about the gui part Aug 11 10:12:17 Aug 11 10:12:24 i am sure Aug 11 10:12:51 you can only make sip calls when you are logged in at some sip proxy/registrar Aug 11 10:12:59 :-(( Aug 11 10:13:03 i havent one configured Aug 11 10:13:07 get twinklephone! Aug 11 10:13:12 and some nokians saied this isnt possible Aug 11 10:13:30 well someday i put a sip proxy on my server Aug 11 10:13:41 anyways .. lunch .. bbl Aug 11 10:13:47 fscking cumbersome Aug 11 10:14:31 3 cheers for closed-source dialer Aug 11 10:14:53 F*CKNG stipidity Aug 11 10:15:03 s/ip/up/ Aug 11 10:15:04 DocScrutinizer meant: F*CKNG stupidity Aug 11 10:15:19 the dialer can be replaced Aug 11 10:15:25 it's a simple fucked up tool Aug 11 10:15:39 yep, I'm aware of that Aug 11 10:15:54 anyway the ntegration sucks donkey balls Aug 11 10:16:25 does the n900 support video calls ocer sip? Aug 11 10:16:35 over skype and gtalk Aug 11 10:16:40 idk about the rest Aug 11 10:16:50 not over sip afaik Aug 11 10:17:13 though gtalk *might* be SIP Aug 11 10:20:07 anyone on PR1.1.1? Aug 11 10:20:25 not since your kernel :-P Aug 11 10:20:42 lol Aug 11 10:20:51 system is 1.1.1 still Aug 11 10:21:15 k, /query Aug 11 10:21:45 I wonder if we could get a proper SIP telepathy plugin Aug 11 10:23:31 Looks like there is already Aug 11 10:23:50 sofiasip Aug 11 10:24:57 Yup, I definitely have a sip client ... Aug 11 10:25:05 alterego: what is wrong with the built in SIP? Aug 11 10:25:19 BCMM: I dunno, I've not used it :P Aug 11 10:25:22 alterego: i mean, it doesn't actually work here, is that a universal experience? Aug 11 10:25:58 Maybe, seems to be the consensus so far, again though, I've only just found it :P Aug 11 10:26:54 it's a shame; it's very cool the way there is a common interface for calling on SIP, GSM and Skype Aug 11 10:27:21 what is sofiasip? Aug 11 10:28:19 what's the license of the mediaplayer? Aug 11 10:28:35 * MohammadAG51 pokes Stskeeps Aug 11 10:28:46 wondering if I could distribute a binary Aug 11 10:30:07 closed Aug 11 10:30:18 Stskeeps, distributable? Aug 11 10:30:24 doubt it Aug 11 10:30:44 * MohammadAG51 wonders what would happen if he distributed it Aug 11 10:31:23 * TermanaN900 wags finger at MohammadAG51 Aug 11 10:31:34 BCMM: sofiasip is the telepathy plugin that handles SIP on the N900 Aug 11 10:31:44 * MohammadAG51 termintes TermanaN900 Aug 11 10:31:51 alterego: is it in a repository? Aug 11 10:31:54 terminates* Aug 11 10:32:11 alterego: an alternative one, or the one that come preinstalled? Aug 11 10:32:21 MohammadAG51, I'll be back! Aug 11 10:32:31 oh i'm sure Aug 11 10:36:23 BCMM: the one that comes preinstalled Aug 11 10:36:37 oh, i was hoping there was a more-working alternative... Aug 11 10:36:38 nm Aug 11 10:36:48 BCMM: seems to be the only one there at least Aug 11 10:37:21 BCMM: do you know what you problem is? Or it just doesn't work? Aug 11 10:37:32 alterego: oh, i can't remember exactly Aug 11 10:37:46 alterego: various things, could've been network or SIP provider issues Aug 11 10:38:00 but tried with multiple providers, and it worked OK from my comptuer on the same network Aug 11 10:38:09 there were different issues per provider, i think Aug 11 10:39:41 BCMM: 'usual' SIP (over provider & registrar) just WFM Aug 11 10:39:47 like a charm Aug 11 10:40:00 DocScrutinizer: hmm, which provider? Aug 11 10:40:06 sipgate.de Aug 11 10:40:13 DocScrutinizer: also, i am somewhat confused about SIP Aug 11 10:40:17 DocScrutinizer: what is a registrar? Aug 11 10:40:38 the auth server and "exchange" of the provider Aug 11 10:41:34 DocScrutinizer: uh huh, so if i have an account with a typical sip provider set up, it's what you'd consider "usual" sip? Aug 11 10:41:47 yep Aug 11 10:42:21 do they have a site for people that only speak english? Aug 11 10:42:32 ~hail fapman author Aug 11 10:42:34 * infobot bows down to fapman author and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Aug 11 10:42:34 is sipgate.co.uk the same system? Aug 11 10:42:35 sipgate.co.uk maybe Aug 11 10:43:17 MohammadAG51: nokia legal will come and eat you alive ;-) Aug 11 10:43:42 uh? Aug 11 10:43:52 MohammadAG51 doing nasty again? Aug 11 10:44:13 was wondering if i could distribute a binary :p Aug 11 10:44:20 haha Aug 11 10:44:45 why distribute if everyone that has an n900 already has the binary? Aug 11 10:44:50 not without written permission signed by Nokia CEO Aug 11 10:45:08 you know, the bbc site would be a whole lot less annoying the the "mobile" link in the upper left corner went to a mobile version of the *current article*, not the bloody front page every time Aug 11 10:45:57 BCMM: mhm, but how could #maemo help you out on it? Aug 11 10:46:17 DocScrutinizer: there was a discussion earlier about various people's broken mobile browser detection Aug 11 10:46:44 sorry, was kinda offtopic Aug 11 10:46:47 *nod* Aug 11 10:47:45 [2010-08-11 10:52:51] timeless: would be a nice feature to have a fast select option between different browser IDs Aug 11 10:47:47 [2010-08-11 10:53:50] doc: please find someone to make a site property plugin for fennec to do that Aug 11 10:58:33 for all interested parties, KISStester is available from extras-devel Aug 11 10:59:05 damn autobuilder Aug 11 11:00:41 http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/camera/SexAndSmartPhones.png Aug 11 11:01:08 What do we have in the way of RDF parsers/processors? Aug 11 11:07:48 The advert urged people to call the "Anti-Terrorist Hotline" to report suspicious behaviour such as anyone paying with cash "because he doesn't have a bank card", or keeping his curtains closed "because his house is on a bus route". Aug 11 11:08:21 "based on trends identified by police and had been amongst evidence given in court at recent terrorism trials" <=== ahhahaha Aug 11 11:11:20 http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/camera/SexAndSmartPhones.png Aug 11 11:11:34 hmm maemo and meego arent even there :P Aug 11 11:11:55 Ok, androids are not getting any. Aug 11 11:12:26 those aren't even corelated... Aug 11 11:12:45 Mohammad: BTW, is synaptic usable on N900? Aug 11 11:12:52 yeah Aug 11 11:12:55 well Aug 11 11:13:03 current package is broken, just uploaded a new one Aug 11 11:13:58 the autobuilder fails to build synaptic, so the packages will be in non-free till it's sorted Aug 11 11:14:14 yep Aug 11 11:15:08 * MohammadAG51 slaps X-Fade Aug 11 11:15:11 pings* Aug 11 11:15:48 http://i.imgur.com/64bwT.png updated graph Aug 11 11:15:57 TermanaN900, I run a unix based OS, which means I get laid about as much as I have to reboot my computer Aug 11 11:16:00 TermanaN900: it's a fairly known fact that in questions of polls about sex, that word can plainly be substituted with "ego" Aug 11 11:16:04 rofl jophish Aug 11 11:16:25 oh god I lold koala_man Aug 11 11:16:40 koala_man, ;) Aug 11 11:16:50 it isn't a measure of sexual activity, contrary to the graph title Aug 11 11:17:17 koala_man: my colleague has a gf with a N900 Aug 11 11:17:23 it could just demonstrate that stupid people tend not to form long-term relationships Aug 11 11:17:27 my gf has a n900 ;o Aug 11 11:17:30 achipa: a gift from him? Aug 11 11:17:42 frals: and tits? Aug 11 11:17:51 frals: which you prefer? Aug 11 11:17:56 koala_man: good question, don't know, but she *is* a geekette Aug 11 11:18:13 uh, yes Aug 11 11:18:37 well, this graph is based on hits from a single's dating site. that just means N900 geek girls don't need such sites Aug 11 11:18:40 jophish: in case of n900 this is quiet often then? Aug 11 11:18:43 frals: still no sorting images by date descending in fmms :( Aug 11 11:19:02 frals: tits or destiny? Aug 11 11:19:15 ^of Aug 11 11:19:16 koala_man: actually saw her wearing earrings that say Q and T. I guess I should take a photo and sent it to Oslo :) Aug 11 11:19:39 * MohammadAG sees frals ignoring subject as the channel is logged Aug 11 11:19:41 chem|st, well, at the moment my phone powers off when I depress the g and h keys together. I'm just hoping that that counts as a reboot :) Aug 11 11:20:07 GH = Go to Hell, so it reboots Aug 11 11:20:11 ?? Aug 11 11:20:37 Giant Hiccup in HW language Aug 11 11:20:51 that multiboot thing is driving me crazy... how do I get that thing to boot maemo properly and not die in the first 3 tries? Aug 11 11:21:16 press b I uninstalled it Aug 11 11:21:32 b? Aug 11 11:21:42 that thing between n and v Aug 11 11:22:10 well I am not familiar with this bootloader so please explain what it does on "b" Aug 11 11:22:17 boot :) Aug 11 11:22:42 I think it falls back to the default boot script Aug 11 11:22:43 well default then? cause i press "0" atm Aug 11 11:22:56 hmm, not sure about 0, I've always used b Aug 11 11:23:05 I try next time Aug 11 11:23:19 just had the point of no return and had to reboot Aug 11 11:23:29 anyways, I went back to bootmenu Aug 11 11:23:45 till someone ports grub :P Aug 11 11:24:46 grub would be nice... also the 1st one to have a passwd set Aug 11 11:25:36 koala_man, lol @ updated graph :P Aug 11 11:33:24 koala_man: in rules of minor 3 this means all b**ches owning an iphone are easy? Aug 11 11:38:17 chem|st: yes, especially the ones with an iphone 4. they can't even call the police when you follow them Aug 11 11:38:54 ~flashing Aug 11 11:38:56 flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 11 11:48:20 fukkn openwrt.org is down :/ Aug 11 11:49:47 oh.. THAT flashing. I thought you meant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhibitionism#Types_of_exposure (NSFW, hm, does this mean Wikipedia should have an 18+ rating ?) Aug 11 11:50:50 that's why we have conservapedia Aug 11 11:51:06 not that it's very safe for anyone either... Aug 11 11:51:22 oh.. it's back Aug 11 11:54:12 achipa: my browser needs an 'images off' button for use w/ nsfw sites Aug 11 11:54:17 so i can use Playboy for the articles :) Aug 11 11:54:24 heh, forum.nokia claims N900 has 768M NAND memory :-) Aug 11 11:55:01 well my n900 is on its way for warranty repair. Aug 11 11:55:20 so, i saw this cool new browser Aug 11 11:55:27 it was sporting a brand new feature Aug 11 11:55:31 so is opensource a kind of flashing ? :) Aug 11 11:55:34 which my 3com audrey had in 2000 Aug 11 11:55:37 I had forgotten how big the n800 screen looks! Aug 11 11:55:46 xkr47-di: it's a lame form of exhibitiionism, yes Aug 11 11:56:23 timeless, what feature was that? Aug 11 11:58:52 A stop button that stops? Aug 11 11:59:25 DantonicN800: yeah it s an amazing good screen ! Aug 11 11:59:48 it's so big! Aug 11 12:00:14 it s so great and well sized :) Aug 11 12:00:27 hey all Aug 11 12:00:32 And the touch layer is closer to the screen :) Aug 11 12:00:36 hi :) Aug 11 12:00:39 also ! Aug 11 12:01:02 but after some month of coding on my n900 i prefer the n900 keyboard Aug 11 12:01:23 ya wish n900 had a bgger screen Aug 11 12:01:30 * Khertan wish too Aug 11 12:02:20 i was hoping that a n910 with bigger screen appear but this didn't happen Aug 11 12:02:31 Scelt: patches welcome, i have nfc how to do it in hildonfilechooser Aug 11 12:02:42 frals: :] Aug 11 12:03:03 now i hope that an other constructor will use meego to made phone with form factor of the n810 Aug 11 12:03:10 bigger screen, more ram, more keys.. time to dram of a N910? :) Aug 11 12:03:29 i didn't whine for more ram or more keys :) Aug 11 12:03:45 i ve successfully place my tabs button in the toolbar :) Aug 11 12:04:30 I'm having trouble connecting to wifi via eap-tls (cert only) and it seems to be slightly different from the bugs on b.m.o... the n900 connects just fine, but displays a popup "Certificate not currently valid" for the radius server and in syslog I see a complaint about a self-signed cert. Now... I do have installed the ca. Aug 11 12:04:51 my question is: anyone seen this popup? Aug 11 12:05:32 it was working fine once Aug 11 12:05:33 satmd: is the certificate expired? Aug 11 12:06:16 the radius server certificate was expired but I renewed it Aug 11 12:06:18 satmd: Clock correct? Aug 11 12:06:28 clock is correct Aug 11 12:06:30 satmd: how did you renew it? Aug 11 12:06:32 blargh! meego Aug 11 12:06:41 revoked the old one, resigned the csr Aug 11 12:06:45 did you install the replacement? Aug 11 12:06:52 * satmd nods Aug 11 12:07:09 note that revoking an expired certificate is pointless Aug 11 12:07:11 * satmd did a complete reflash in a desperate attempt Aug 11 12:07:26 but necessary for the CA requirements "unique subject" Aug 11 12:07:37 browsers don't really care about certificate revokations for expired certificates Aug 11 12:07:54 um Aug 11 12:08:07 the ca side cares ;) Aug 11 12:08:09 there's an integer like field which one typically bumps Aug 11 12:08:15 yeah, the index Aug 11 12:08:24 X-Fade, ping Aug 11 12:08:31 well, I admit I could have messed up the renewal process Aug 11 12:08:42 MohammadAG: pong Aug 11 12:08:49 but then I hoped I could get more debug information about the login process Aug 11 12:09:05 the n900 syslog doesn't tell *which* certificate seems to be selfsigned Aug 11 12:09:10 * timeless goes off to poke someone about an expired cert Aug 11 12:09:20 X-Fade, https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/synaptic_0.62.1maemo2/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt any ideas? Aug 11 12:09:25 builds fine on scratchbox Aug 11 12:09:25 satmd: there's a guy juhani, you can bug him :) Aug 11 12:09:32 ok :) Aug 11 12:09:39 Hi X-Fade, did you have a chance to look at why Miniature 0.4 is not accepted by the build robot? Aug 11 12:10:02 MohammadAG: Yes, no outside network access. Aug 11 12:10:09 X-Fade, no way around that? Aug 11 12:10:20 MohammadAG: yes, include file in your source. Aug 11 12:10:41 I was thinking something like enabling outside network access, but I'll see about it :P Aug 11 12:10:54 MohammadAG: No, no builder will ever do that. Aug 11 12:11:03 never* Aug 11 12:11:08 oh Aug 11 12:11:08 nvm Aug 11 12:11:12 * satmd suggests supplying a local copy of the xsl Aug 11 12:11:17 * MohammadAG facesmacks Aug 11 12:11:26 albanc: checking. Aug 11 12:12:25 how comes each time I try to approach meego it ends in me feeling pissed after max 30 minutes? Aug 11 12:12:47 X-Fade: can ask you who manage/maintain the obs community repository ... and who can help me to understand some errors that i don't ? Aug 11 12:13:17 DocScrutinizer: Cause they have lots of booze? Aug 11 12:13:26 Khertan: That could be me. Aug 11 12:14:03 albanc: Can you give me some details on what doesn't work? Aug 11 12:14:10 albanc: As I don't see any builds? Aug 11 12:14:39 X-Fade, I tried twice yesterday: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-August/026320.html and https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-August/026328.html Aug 11 12:15:08 X-Fade: oh :) i'm trying to made a package for khteditor for meego from dist-utils with a spec file and i got the following error : /bin/rpm: error while loading shared libraries: liblua- Aug 11 12:15:18 X-Fade: does the rpm command is available ? Aug 11 12:15:19 albanc: That is not miniature? :) Aug 11 12:15:23 (and working :) ) Aug 11 12:15:58 X-Fade, the first time with dput, and the second time using the webform. In both case, I received the email from the robot saying OK. But then, no packages appears on http://maemo.org/packages/view/monorail/ Aug 11 12:16:10 so, on the subject of certificate Aug 11 12:16:10 X-Fade, oh, I'm sorry, I meant Monorail, not Miniature Aug 11 12:16:11 s Aug 11 12:16:25 getting a new one does your users no good if you don't restart the server with it installed Aug 11 12:16:29 (in reference to some private server) Aug 11 12:18:47 albanc: Very strange. It seems to build fine: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/monorail_0.4/results/ Aug 11 12:20:12 DuckBoot: yeah probably - at least those dudes when they bigmouthedly announced meego to be much more open and foss and everything than maemo. For sure they had enough booze prior to announcing that. Fact is meego is completely hostile, developed 'behind the wall" like all Nokia does, and has no docs or community involvement in any part of the process. It's just another example of "develop in a closed process, then drop source on community Aug 11 12:20:13 together with the finished binaries" Aug 11 12:20:17 restarted multiple times Aug 11 12:20:39 goddammit Aug 11 12:20:44 satmd: that comment was actually about another service Aug 11 12:20:44 DocScrutinizer: yet at the same time you're bitching there's a shitload of SDK people from nokia and intel discussing in #meego-meeting Aug 11 12:20:49 :D Aug 11 12:20:49 it was for some of us to laugh at Aug 11 12:21:00 now the usb cable doesn't work either, unless i push the plug towards the "battery" side Aug 11 12:21:07 it just happens to coincide with your problems Aug 11 12:21:11 is this a common problem, and is there a way to fix it happily? Aug 11 12:21:18 s/happily/easily/ Aug 11 12:21:19 kerio meant: is this a common problem, and is there a way to fix it easily? Aug 11 12:21:22 wtf am i writing Aug 11 12:22:22 Stskeeps: so? am I supposed to have 2 weeks of holiday and read the logs of that channel, just to find out e.g what's the general concept of sensorfw? Aug 11 12:22:36 DocScrutinizer: no, minutes of each minute is published Aug 11 12:22:58 * satmd waves at Stskeeps Aug 11 12:23:00 doesn't change anything Aug 11 12:23:16 so it's a closed process when you're too lazy to participate? right Aug 11 12:23:17 :P Aug 11 12:23:24 * Stskeeps sighs and goes away Aug 11 12:23:36 :( Aug 11 12:26:07 DocScrutinizer: broken usb plug too now :( Aug 11 12:26:33 btw: nota bene who's discussing there! >>[2010-08-11 14:20:44] DocScrutinizer: yet at the same time you're bitching there's a shitload of SDK people from nokia and intel discussing in #meego-meeting Aug 11 12:26:42 well, usb port Aug 11 12:27:21 yep, exactly. a shitload of SDK people from nokia and intel - fine Aug 11 12:28:12 thanks for supporting my point Aug 11 12:28:30 DocScrutinizer: and everyone else allowed to participate and discuss. not 'only' those. Aug 11 12:28:52 mhm Aug 11 12:29:41 albanc: I submitted the build again and now it finished fine. Aug 11 12:30:09 albanc: No idea what happened yesterday. Aug 11 12:30:58 X-Fade, I had the same problem months ago when I uploaded Map Buddy. Maybe it is a problem specific to my account... Aug 11 12:31:04 kerio: now that should maybe suffice for a complete replacement :-S Aug 11 12:31:08 X-Fade, thanks for uploading again :) Aug 11 12:31:20 yay :( Aug 11 12:31:30 albanc: Well the upload was ok, as the sources are there. Aug 11 12:31:31 well, it works if i push the plug towards the battery Aug 11 12:31:38 albanc: It failed mid build. Aug 11 12:31:41 \o/ X-Fade sometimes I believe you wear a superhero costume whilst working. thanks \o Aug 11 12:32:10 I'd be pretty happy to have this replaced by OBS btw :) Aug 11 12:32:34 indeed, it just moves the issues though Aug 11 12:33:02 So the package should appear is about 1 hour :) http://maemo.org/packages/view/monorail/ Aug 11 12:33:28 albanc: Probably within half an hour. Aug 11 12:33:34 Is it correct that a script is run every hour to put the compiled packages in the repositories? Aug 11 12:33:36 or 4 minutes:P Aug 11 12:33:59 MohammadAG, thats just your special timing Aug 11 12:34:00 wasn't it :05 and :35 of every hour? Aug 11 12:34:03 you sense when its due Aug 11 12:34:11 which is in the next minute Aug 11 12:34:28 lcuk, nah, that's noobmonk3y Aug 11 12:35:01 nahhh when n00bmonk3y is coding it doesnt matter - he pushes 100 builds/minute anyway Aug 11 12:35:21 lol Aug 11 12:35:40 no, that's frals Aug 11 12:35:43 :P Aug 11 12:35:45 heh Aug 11 12:36:14 dont hate on release early releasae often! Aug 11 12:36:21 I'd be pretty happy to have this replaced by OBS btw :) <<< i think it s far more complex and will generate more questions :) Aug 11 12:36:41 but seems a really nice tool Aug 11 12:36:55 * MohammadAG facepalms http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60161 Aug 11 12:37:05 frals, we're not hating on that, we're hating on you :P Aug 11 12:37:47 kernel-power v40 has overclocking enabled? Aug 11 12:38:32 I doubt t-tan will take out the only reason his kernel is popular Aug 11 12:38:42 MohammadAG: is that real ? Aug 11 12:38:50 ( the battery ) Aug 11 12:38:50 * MohammadAG headdesks Aug 11 12:39:03 im running it atm, it's sayng: sh: kernel-config not found Aug 11 12:39:04 E0x, I hope you're joking Aug 11 12:39:16 i not Aug 11 12:39:17 th3hate, sudo kernel-load or something Aug 11 12:39:28 MohammadAG: hmm... mobilehotspot? Aug 11 12:39:29 too cheap Aug 11 12:39:36 * frals trouts MohammadAG Aug 11 12:39:49 th3hate: apt-get install kernel-power-config Aug 11 12:39:54 kerio, that had a kernel on its own Aug 11 12:40:06 MohammadAG: ext4? Aug 11 12:40:18 kerio, most users who have the kernel don't know what ext4 is Aug 11 12:40:54 MohammadAG: whatever - it's still the "standard" extra kernel Aug 11 12:40:59 if anything, because it's in the repos Aug 11 12:41:10 and why did it get into the repos? Aug 11 12:41:26 cause noobish overclockers gave it +10 votes when it can burn out your device Aug 11 12:41:44 couldn't find package: kernel-power-config Aug 11 12:41:50 I'm in a good mood to see if i2c-tools can make it into extras Aug 11 12:41:52 pulled out repos? Aug 11 12:41:58 kernel-power-settings Aug 11 12:42:13 whats sending international sms messages? Aug 11 12:42:17 i was going by memory Aug 11 12:42:18 kernel-power-settings - Tools for the customization of kernel settings Aug 11 12:42:22 th3hate: apt-cache search kernel-power Aug 11 12:42:24 Hi all. I'm still hesitating between buying a Nokia N900 or an Android based smartphone (e.g. Samsung Galaxy). Main objective for me is support for (easily) writing applications using Python as a base. Any pros/cons that you guys could advice me on? Aug 11 12:42:24 ham5, cherry? Aug 11 12:42:24 I notice an extra 2 or so a month seince I got the phone Aug 11 12:42:35 cherry = MyNokia Aug 11 12:42:35 cherry? Aug 11 12:42:50 apt-get install notmynokia and kill the fag Aug 11 12:43:38 apt-get uninstall ? Aug 11 12:43:43 why should I install more Aug 11 12:44:18 cause mp-fremantle-generic-pr most likely depends on it Aug 11 12:44:40 tclerckx: android sucks balls Aug 11 12:44:46 MohammadAG: it does Aug 11 12:44:59 kerio, didn't check, that's why I said most likely Aug 11 12:45:01 that just a meta packagE? Aug 11 12:45:07 needed by SSU Aug 11 12:45:17 SSU? Aug 11 12:45:19 if you don't give a crap about SSU, break it Aug 11 12:45:21 ~ssu Aug 11 12:45:22 from memory, ssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU Aug 11 12:45:29 ~botsmack Aug 11 12:45:30 OWW! Aug 11 12:45:33 LOL Aug 11 12:45:36 tclerckx: the n900 is very hack-friendly but if you will dev to profit android right now have more market Aug 11 12:45:44 (i meant to write smack) Aug 11 12:45:48 or just wait for the next n900 replacement Aug 11 12:45:50 yea I dont need that I just flash with usb Aug 11 12:45:58 then break it Aug 11 12:46:20 also check Xsession, see if uninstalling it keeps leftovers Aug 11 12:54:17 anyone installed Shake-N-Surf from ovi store? Aug 11 12:54:37 can't uninstalled it.. i dont find it in applications list Aug 11 12:59:02 dpkg -r shake-n-surf Aug 11 13:02:53 that did the trick thanks Aug 11 13:03:18 whats the difference between "apt-get remove x" and "apt-get remove x --purge" Aug 11 13:04:05 purge gets rid of configuration files in etc Aug 11 13:04:30 kerio: don't smack infobot! Aug 11 13:04:55 sorry Aug 11 13:05:03 :-) Aug 11 13:05:23 1500mA battery -WOOOOW Aug 11 13:05:37 DocScrutinizer, for $6!!!!11111!!111111 Aug 11 13:05:54 that's... that's... err 200mA *more* than the original one Aug 11 13:06:02 ~smack self Aug 11 13:06:03 * infobot smacks self upside the head. Aug 11 13:06:07 * wazd has forgotten to confirm torrent download in utorrent 3 hours ago... doh! Aug 11 13:06:08 arrr Aug 11 13:06:22 DocScrutinizer, at half half the price Aug 11 13:06:41 with double double the fun :-P Aug 11 13:06:42 is it me, or have people reached a new level of stupidity Aug 11 13:07:02 yeah, I'm sure it'd be explosive Aug 11 13:07:10 it's you, people always been like that Aug 11 13:09:08 I'm sure you have better experience as an engineer Aug 11 13:20:13 funny post: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=774148&postcount=652 Aug 11 13:21:44 It would be awesome to extend PoE to 802.11 xD Aug 11 13:21:52 Mmm Aug 11 13:23:01 romen: the antenna will have to be rather large Aug 11 13:23:08 "Whenever close to a hotspot - charge" Aug 11 13:27:38 is 50C safe for n900 :P? Aug 11 13:28:48 is 50C safe for you? Aug 11 13:29:19 take it to sauna and you'll see Aug 11 13:29:21 Hello, Can I use this to clean up (and hide some scratches) the screen of N900? Aug 11 13:29:27 what do you compare me with n900? Aug 11 13:29:34 Yabbapappa: This? Aug 11 13:29:50 th3hate: it is Aug 11 13:29:51 Ohh, sorry this Aug 11 13:30:10 i mean n900's temp Aug 11 13:30:11 korhojoa: been with it in a sauna? Aug 11 13:30:13 th3hate: well. sorry. it was wrong of me to say that. i've had it in +50 conditions and it's survived Aug 11 13:30:20 Yabbapappa: Probably yes Aug 11 13:30:25 Scelt: nope. in a car in the sun Aug 11 13:30:35 korhojoa: good enough Aug 11 13:30:39 * MohammadAG facepalms Aug 11 13:30:40 There is finnish netstore which says that it is not for touch screens Aug 11 13:30:52 is 50C safe for a cooled PC CPU? no Aug 11 13:30:58 Scelt: Qatar in the summer isn't that forgiving Aug 11 13:31:08 MohammadAG: tbh, the laptop survived it just fine, it just throttled down Aug 11 13:31:11 120c is safe for GPU's Aug 11 13:31:17 modern ones Aug 11 13:31:26 korhojoa, screw laptops, mine runs at 100C Aug 11 13:31:27 korhojoa: :] Aug 11 13:31:28 the cpu sits at ~97C with full fan... so. Aug 11 13:31:47 anyways, no Aug 11 13:31:56 50C isn't safe for a brick size tank Aug 11 13:32:20 queen beecom showed 50c yesterday after playing movie @900mhz for 1 hr Aug 11 13:32:27 MohammadAG: my desktop for some reason doesn't throttle the fan that much, so it's quite often at over 75C Aug 11 13:32:32 what were using to play the movie? Aug 11 13:32:38 SiB Aug 11 13:32:48 makes sense Aug 11 13:32:55 SiB ? Aug 11 13:33:03 some frontend for mplayer Aug 11 13:33:05 Mplayer Aug 11 13:33:11 ah Aug 11 13:33:16 M != m Aug 11 13:33:22 mPlayer Aug 11 13:33:26 P != p Aug 11 13:33:29 fml Aug 11 13:33:35 well the DSP can usually handle video a lot better (assuming that there's a codec that supports it) Aug 11 13:33:52 indeed, and it won't load the CPU as much Aug 11 13:33:54 mplayer doesn't use the dsp? Aug 11 13:33:57 no Aug 11 13:34:01 it's CPU only Aug 11 13:34:05 i thought everyone knew that Aug 11 13:34:18 so only default media player uses it? Aug 11 13:34:30 it does use all arm neon optimizations though Aug 11 13:34:38 gstreamer uses the DSP, if something uses gstreamer it uses the DSP Aug 11 13:34:38 i've had a few video files though that play just fine with mplayer but stutter like hell with the DSP Aug 11 13:35:07 any gstreamer player that can zoom vid to fit screen? Aug 11 13:35:19 mediabox i guess? Aug 11 13:35:33 mediabox uses gstreamer I guess Aug 11 13:35:38 gstreamer-flv is a dep Aug 11 13:37:18 hmm, SIM card crossed out for some reason Aug 11 13:37:30 * MohammadAG thinks he needs to visit a Nokia care center Aug 11 13:39:15 can anyone apt-get install synaptic Aug 11 13:39:23 doesn't seem to be working for me Aug 11 13:40:35 Ha, I love living in Florida. Aug 11 13:40:47 MohammadAG: not work here Aug 11 13:40:56 "It's raining an awful lot." Aug 11 13:40:59 MAFW uses the dsp? Aug 11 13:41:02 "Is that a hurricane?" Aug 11 13:41:33 E0x, did you update the repos first? Aug 11 13:41:58 MohammadAG, MAFW uses dsp? Aug 11 13:42:03 not Aug 11 13:42:17 for music? afaik nope Aug 11 13:42:30 for videos Aug 11 13:42:44 the media player does Aug 11 13:43:03 mediabox can choose MAFW as a player backend for avi Aug 11 13:43:40 check gstreamer Aug 11 13:44:02 it has gstreamer also Aug 11 13:44:07 but sets MAFW as default Aug 11 13:51:51 hmm Aug 11 13:51:53 X-Fade, poke Aug 11 13:53:10 So, what about the battery lifetime of the n900? Aug 11 13:54:17 what about it? Aug 11 13:54:30 <_trine> the N900 seems very variable my phone can run at 1150 MHz on the starving profile but my wifes can only run at 900 MHz on the LV profile Aug 11 13:54:43 DocScrutinizer: do it Aug 11 13:54:50 you know you want to Aug 11 13:54:51 tclerckx: No worries - I carry a small nuclear powerplant on my back, so I always charge it. Aug 11 13:54:52 heh? Aug 11 13:55:28 tclerckx: don't OC it Aug 11 13:55:29 really Aug 11 13:55:42 i doubt that the battery wouldn't last longer than the use of the phone Aug 11 13:55:46 kerio: what do you mean, don't OC it? Aug 11 13:55:47 ~tell _trine about omap-oc Aug 11 13:55:56 there's a way to overclock the cpu Aug 11 13:55:58 and a new one won't cost too much Aug 11 13:56:01 but it's a *bad* idea, as TI says Aug 11 13:56:38 battery life is good enough to get back home to charge it Aug 11 13:56:55 oh, charge frequency Aug 11 13:59:12 tclerckx: the n900 is an awesome device Aug 11 13:59:23 android phones are phones Aug 11 13:59:37 their main purpose is still to make phone calls and write SMSes Aug 11 14:00:15 same with my n900 Aug 11 14:00:28 it has to make calls and send/receive sms Aug 11 14:00:32 <_trine> why would running a cpu at a higher speed reduce its life ,, I cant see that Aug 11 14:00:52 _trine: it's a matter of heat dissipation and electromigration Aug 11 14:00:55 <_trine> what would reduce its life is a higher tempreature Aug 11 14:00:55 reading emails/tweets/webpages etc is extra Aug 11 14:01:03 <_trine> not speed Aug 11 14:01:09 speed causes heat, duh Aug 11 14:01:50 <_trine> running a proc at a higher speed does not necessarily create more speed Aug 11 14:01:59 <_trine> more work creates more heat Aug 11 14:02:12 <_trine> running a proc at a higher speed does not necessarily create more heat*** Aug 11 14:02:42 _trine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromigration Aug 11 14:02:47 hmm Aug 11 14:02:53 <_trine> so if you want to benefit from short term speed increases then I see nothing wrong in 1150 Aug 11 14:02:57 * MohammadAG wonders if uploading the SDK apt to the repos was a smart move Aug 11 14:03:08 prolly not Aug 11 14:03:25 <_trine> kerio, I understand about what you are trying to say Aug 11 14:03:44 kerio, don't bother discussing overclocking Aug 11 14:04:29 <_trine> most of the time at least 98% of the time my cpu is running at 250 MHz Aug 11 14:04:48 <_trine> but it can burst to 1150 and i like that Aug 11 14:04:57 _trine: guess why infobot passed that nice link to you Aug 11 14:05:06 <_trine> yes thanks Aug 11 14:05:06 ~ompa-oc Aug 11 14:05:12 then keep it at 1150 Aug 11 14:05:14 ~omap-oc Aug 11 14:05:16 omap-oc is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! Aug 11 14:05:18 I have chosen to OC my N900, because I will probably find something more new and shiny before I manage to trash my N900. So I think of OC as a choice. And I choose to shorten the lifespan of my device, since I will not keep it as long as it takes it to die on me. Aug 11 14:05:19 it'll burn, but you like that Aug 11 14:06:45 * _trine looks around his room at all the stuff that he has paid a lot of money for in the past which is still working but useless by todays standards Aug 11 14:07:11 <_trine> and thats surely the way the N900 will go to Aug 11 14:07:33 <_trine> in 2 years it will be scrap Aug 11 14:07:44 * DocScrutinizer suggests sledge hammer - more reliable way to make sure this won't happen Aug 11 14:07:49 oh god i want to overclock now :O Aug 11 14:07:51 <_trine> he he Aug 11 14:07:53 it's going to be scrap much faster Aug 11 14:07:53 they're persuasive Aug 11 14:07:57 DocScrutinizer: MAKE THEM STOP Aug 11 14:08:23 * _trine would over clock his wife if he could Aug 11 14:09:13 does the processor have a hidden record of the clock speeds? Aug 11 14:09:22 <_trine> just checked my CPU temp its 44 Aug 11 14:09:27 because i tried overclocking it in the past Aug 11 14:09:27 kerio: we must not tell you Aug 11 14:09:37 and i'll have to send it to nokia now for unrelated reasons Aug 11 14:10:09 _trine, your wife would have problems if you overclocked her. Aug 11 14:10:37 <_trine> lcuk, yes but she would get the housework done faster Aug 11 14:10:56 also you'd last long enough in bed Aug 11 14:11:01 hurr durr Aug 11 14:11:07 _trine, but note that she may get involved in a runaway process and burn herself out on the poolboy Aug 11 14:11:14 <_trine> kerio, I'm past all that now Aug 11 14:11:33 that's so sad :( Aug 11 14:11:37 i mean, for you Aug 11 14:11:39 <_trine> I'll leave the sex to you young whippersnappers Aug 11 14:11:40 hehe Aug 11 14:11:44 <_trine> :) Aug 11 14:11:59 anyway, once i get my new n900 from nokia - yay warranty - i'll probably overclock it Aug 11 14:12:02 to something realtively sane Aug 11 14:12:14 relatively Aug 11 14:12:19 DocScrutinizer: take that Aug 11 14:12:24 <_trine> if the kernel would allow it i would try faster Aug 11 14:12:43 <_trine> I would like to see how far it would go Aug 11 14:13:38 <_trine> and you never know it could outlive me Aug 11 14:13:49 yeah, you could get hit by a bus Aug 11 14:14:00 just sayin' Aug 11 14:14:19 <_trine> can you imagine lay on your death wondering if it would have gone faster Aug 11 14:14:25 <_trine> :))) Aug 11 14:15:26 <_trine> I remeber all this kind of talk when asus brought out their eeepc with the solid state 40 gig drive Aug 11 14:15:40 <_trine> some said it would not last long Aug 11 14:15:43 you also could explode together with your N900 :-P Aug 11 14:16:00 <_trine> some said dont use ext3 because it would wear it out quickly Aug 11 14:16:19 <_trine> but my eeepc has been made to work hard and its still here Aug 11 14:16:52 DocScrutinizer: we need a heart rate monitor that broadcasts over the net Aug 11 14:16:58 so we can know if the n900 died before him Aug 11 14:17:14 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, I'm 64 years old this stuff almost all carries a lifelong warranty for me Aug 11 14:17:19 <_trine> he he Aug 11 14:17:19 _trine you do know someone lost a battery cause of OC'ing right? Aug 11 14:17:30 64? wow Aug 11 14:17:54 i'm just 18 Aug 11 14:18:01 and I was complaining I got old last week Aug 11 14:18:03 ._. Aug 11 14:18:09 <_trine> MohammadAG, I bought 2 spare batteries at only 8 for the 2 Aug 11 14:18:19 kerio, don't feel sad, I'm 17 Aug 11 14:18:33 hmm, makes chances for a nice explosion even better :-D Aug 11 14:18:35 <_trine> 64 is good too Aug 11 14:18:40 <_trine> ha ha Aug 11 14:18:53 Yay, found a bug in UIQ3 to turn the whole OS into landscape mode. :D Aug 11 14:19:39 <_trine> MohammadAG, I have computer stuff I built which is still running from before you came to Earth :) Aug 11 14:19:42 <_trine> lol Aug 11 14:19:49 isn't UIQ3 that strange "OS" on cheaper smartphones? Aug 11 14:20:02 DocScrutinizer: that symbian that's not exactly symbian Aug 11 14:20:11 <_trine> isnt life great Aug 11 14:20:11 _trine, but does it blend? Aug 11 14:20:12 :P Aug 11 14:20:14 Even I have computer stuff older than 17 years, and it's still running. Aug 11 14:20:24 well i have a working n64 Aug 11 14:20:30 take that, losers Aug 11 14:20:34 <_trine> he he Aug 11 14:20:38 ;-P Aug 11 14:20:44 I have an atari, HA! Aug 11 14:20:45 <_trine> you're all making me laugh Aug 11 14:20:55 <_trine> thanks guys Aug 11 14:21:00 hmm Aug 11 14:21:03 I think it was a jaguar Aug 11 14:21:13 * lcuk knocks over _trine's stack of punchcards Aug 11 14:21:14 actually, is Aug 11 14:21:16 I still have it Aug 11 14:21:17 MohammadAG: WHERE DID YOU LEARN TO FLY Aug 11 14:21:18 I have a VIC-20 in prime condition at home. Aug 11 14:21:25 DocScruntizer, I use my P1i atm due to N900 being on reparation Aug 11 14:21:52 kerio, red bull gives you wings Aug 11 14:21:54 :P Aug 11 14:21:54 again n900 can't sync google calendar.. so tired Aug 11 14:22:05 on a more serious note, I hate that crap Aug 11 14:22:06 * _trine remembers building 300 baud modems for use on radios Aug 11 14:22:08 I dumped my NASCOM-I and other antique stuff 2 years ago Aug 11 14:22:31 even the HP41-CV Aug 11 14:22:39 * DocScrutinizer sobs Aug 11 14:22:40 I like the fact that the system works pretty fine in landscape with minor flaws Aug 11 14:22:41 <_trine> hey i even remember the the house lit by gas mantles Aug 11 14:23:09 DocScrutinizer: Sacrilege Aug 11 14:23:26 <_trine> I still have some zx spectrum bits Aug 11 14:23:37 dumped Aug 11 14:23:45 turn on cam application and instantly open the SME menu, go to random application Aug 11 14:23:50 <_trine> and possibly an old zx81 in the roofspace Aug 11 14:23:50 zx-81 dumped Aug 11 14:24:01 but some of them forces revert to portrait. :( Aug 11 14:24:18 got ~8 of them, with 16k RAM extension :-P Aug 11 14:24:41 * DuckBoot had some hard arguments back then - which was best: VIC-20 or the ZX-81 Aug 11 14:24:46 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, the first one I built had only 1k of ram Aug 11 14:25:05 <_trine> with an upgrade to 2k Aug 11 14:25:19 The one with the "Z", or even better, "X", of course Aug 11 14:25:26 P1i is on of the few symbian based phones whose multitasking feature actually works properly without "OUT OF MEMORY!!!!!!!!!!!11" msgs Aug 11 14:25:39 My oldest working system is a Z88. (1988 tablet computer). Aug 11 14:26:00 NASCOM-1 Aug 11 14:26:03 So anyone has experience with the N900 combined with the BH-905 headset? Aug 11 14:26:07 Stuck 4 AA in it a couple of months ago, and it booted just fine, with saved files (eeprom) there. Aug 11 14:26:26 I will be happy if the n900 lasts as long. Aug 11 14:26:45 kernel-config limits gives " frequecny limit arguments missing" Aug 11 14:26:49 any idea why? Aug 11 14:27:06 ~tell th3hate about omap-oc Aug 11 14:27:08 <_trine> I think the slide arrangement for the N900 keyboard may be the bit that breaks first Aug 11 14:27:32 _trine: Mine already seems a bit shaky Aug 11 14:27:55 <_trine> kernel-config limits 250 900 Aug 11 14:28:10 Well - dinner awaits. cd ~ Aug 11 14:28:34 <_trine> does anyone use kernel-config load starving Aug 11 14:28:58 nonsense Aug 11 14:30:02 wtf is "starving"? Aug 11 14:30:10 <_trine> or is most people here using ideal Aug 11 14:30:14 starving profile = less power usage? Aug 11 14:30:28 <_trine> there is :- Aug 11 14:30:37 <_trine> starving lv and ideal Aug 11 14:30:49 and ulv+ xlv Aug 11 14:30:56 <_trine> yeah Aug 11 14:31:09 but starving = lowest voltages i think Aug 11 14:31:25 <_trine> my N900 runs on starving at 1150 Aug 11 14:31:40 <_trine> happyly Aug 11 14:31:55 doesn't crash on heavy load? Aug 11 14:32:03 <_trine> nope Aug 11 14:32:10 <_trine> it runs perfectly Aug 11 14:32:19 its easy for an individual machine to be made to do almost anything. Aug 11 14:32:23 <_trine> but I wifes N900 will not do it Aug 11 14:32:33 its more difficult to find something that can work in every condition Aug 11 14:32:41 you set lowest ferq 250 or 500? Aug 11 14:32:51 <_trine> 250 1150 Aug 11 14:32:59 one person can sail round the work in a dingy, but it does not mean its good for normal travel Aug 11 14:33:33 yep Aug 11 14:33:48 <_trine> the best I can get my wifes N900 to work at is on lv profile 250 900 Aug 11 14:34:25 <_trine> so these phones are very variable Aug 11 14:34:26 different cpu revisions maybe Aug 11 14:34:45 \o Ford_Prefect Aug 11 14:35:13 o/ lcuk Aug 11 14:35:35 and btw ULV, starving etc pp probably do pretty poor job on battery live extension. CPU is ~100mA on full nominal rate. ULV can reduce this by a few percent at most Aug 11 14:36:08 th3hate: nope, different chips Aug 11 14:36:11 <_trine> another thing too Aug 11 14:36:18 same make Aug 11 14:36:36 Hi Aug 11 14:36:46 <_trine> my phone is much better than the other one in terms of wifi and gps sensitivity Aug 11 14:37:03 DocScrutinizer, i thought all n900's use the same chip? Aug 11 14:37:06 <_trine> quite significantly so Aug 11 14:37:16 th3hate: same make, as I told Aug 11 14:37:34 different chip, same make? Aug 11 14:37:35 it's variation in particular chip Aug 11 14:38:11 another chip of same type Aug 11 14:38:27 that's kinda not fair :P Aug 11 14:38:40 well, life's a bitch Aug 11 14:38:45 :) Aug 11 14:38:54 well, you can try to buy a 'certified OC-1100' Aug 11 14:39:26 but maybe this will change after 2 weeks, when CPU is worn out Aug 11 14:39:28 :-P Aug 11 14:39:34 <_trine> does that mean my phone is worth more :P Aug 11 14:39:52 <_trine> only joking Aug 11 14:39:54 _trine: *now* Aug 11 14:39:57 starving profile = less power usage = less heat at the same freq? Aug 11 14:40:05 your phone is worth *zero* now that it's been OC'd Aug 11 14:40:06 you keep using it that way, it'll blow up soon Aug 11 14:40:54 DocScrutinizer: does nokia know if you *ever* OCed it? Aug 11 14:40:59 how does stuff appear on maemo.org/news/ Aug 11 14:41:01 yes Aug 11 14:41:11 DocScrutinizer: how? Aug 11 14:41:12 :o Aug 11 14:41:23 kerio: we must not tell you Aug 11 14:41:30 <_trine> the main thing is as i said before not the speed at which the cpu is overclocked to but rather the temperature its running at Aug 11 14:41:43 DocScrutinizer: a log in CAL? Aug 11 14:41:50 maybe Aug 11 14:41:57 DocScrutinizer: come on... Aug 11 14:42:00 :( Aug 11 14:42:06 and for sure a log in chip itself Aug 11 14:42:30 the chip doesn't forget, and that's the whole crux about OC Aug 11 14:42:58 <_trine> my cpu temp is at this moment 44 Aug 11 14:43:02 but normal shops probably wont check that log Aug 11 14:43:07 <_trine> and thats very good Aug 11 14:43:07 when we sell it to them Aug 11 14:43:09 who cares? Aug 11 14:43:21 i care! my miniusb port is faulty! Aug 11 14:43:41 that's clearly unrelated to OC Aug 11 14:43:57 _trine, it's about electromigration Aug 11 14:44:01 not temp Aug 11 14:44:01 yeah but i want a full replace :3 Aug 11 14:44:12 except it maybe grown faster than normal :-P Mine is still micro Aug 11 14:44:21 am i a bad person? Aug 11 14:44:28 <_trine> th3hate, heat and electromigration are related Aug 11 14:44:35 35*C.. is it high value ? Aug 11 14:44:35 DocScrutinizer: ooh, so *that* is the problem Aug 11 14:44:37 hehe Aug 11 14:44:52 <_trine> cpu speed and electromigration are NOT related Aug 11 14:46:01 speed and heat are related Aug 11 14:46:13 _trine: wrong. CPU clock CPU Vdd current electromigration Aug 11 14:46:49 but *not* linear proportional Aug 11 14:46:54 simple english please :( Aug 11 14:47:07 <_trine> more speed does create more heat but thats only significant when its continually run at a higher speed which is not the case here Aug 11 14:47:18 more like 10 ^ (x ^ 2) Aug 11 14:47:29 Grr, this Meego image refuses to be written to my microSD card Aug 11 14:47:44 I get a "no space left on device" after 10 MB Aug 11 14:47:50 go to #meego Aug 11 14:48:10 th3hate: ah, right Aug 11 14:48:18 _trine: again wrong. Hotspots on die heat up in microseconds rather than minutes Aug 11 14:48:44 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, but that will not significantly make any difference Aug 11 14:48:58 <_trine> they will heat up anyway Aug 11 14:48:59 mhm Aug 11 14:49:14 <_trine> thats just the physics of it Aug 11 14:49:41 what is it then you are talking about? metaphysics? Aug 11 14:49:46 <_trine> this type of talk is scaremongering Aug 11 14:50:46 device also heats up on default freqs when under heavy load Aug 11 14:50:52 you might want to read the comment about smartreflex in http://wiki.maemo.org/Overclocking#Undervolting_and_voltage_tables anyway Aug 11 14:51:15 <_trine> electromigration ALWAYS takes place over time with every piece of kit Aug 11 14:52:06 <_trine> there is noting you can do about it look at the electromigration thats happened to me in 64 years Aug 11 14:52:11 <_trine> shit Aug 11 14:52:17 <_trine> :) Aug 11 14:52:25 <_trine> dont worry Aug 11 14:52:41 again wrong - EM is an exponential function of electron energy aka current density. There's a threshold though, und which the quantum noise doesn't exceed the crystal structure binding forces Aug 11 14:52:54 <_trine> everything wears out eventually Aug 11 14:53:23 ergo -> with a certain amount of current density not exceeded you see very very very few EM Aug 11 14:53:45 <_trine> is this taking into account the Heisenberg uncertainty principle Aug 11 14:54:08 for OMAP3530 this threshold seems to be at a current equaling a clock freq of ~500MHz Aug 11 14:54:19 <_trine> or are we talking about Schroedingers cat Aug 11 14:54:50 nope, we don't talk shroedinger here, but heissenberg is surely involved Aug 11 14:55:16 <_trine> and if we are talking quantum then in lots of the other worlds my phone will live forever Aug 11 14:55:23 so anything over 500Mhz is bad for cpu? Aug 11 14:55:34 th3hate: yes Aug 11 14:55:47 should i underclock it then? Aug 11 14:55:51 to 250-500? Aug 11 14:55:52 no Aug 11 14:56:08 <_trine> I have a great way of making your phone last a lot longer Aug 11 14:56:14 <_trine> turn it off Aug 11 14:56:24 liquid nitrogen? Aug 11 14:56:29 _trine: than the accu dies. Aug 11 14:56:37 <_trine> he he Aug 11 14:56:50 well, if you use Nokia standard cpufreq governor setup, then the duration it actually runs at 600 is reasonably restricted not to do noticable harm to the CPU Aug 11 14:56:51 X-Fade, ping Aug 11 14:57:06 <_trine> I just dont worry about such things ,, when if it breaks I will buy another Aug 11 14:57:12 scp: /var/www/extras-devel/incoming-builder/fremantle/packagename_source.changes: Permission denied Aug 11 14:57:52 _trine: ok, then please let's stop with this whole topic now Aug 11 14:58:02 <_trine> ok Aug 11 14:58:17 can we place OMAP4 chip instead of the current one if we find compatible drivers? Aug 11 14:58:25 <_trine> but you were the one carrying it on Aug 11 14:59:13 It's a SoC, you'll have to replace the whole board Aug 11 14:59:33 whole board = everything inside? Aug 11 15:00:19 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, are you interested in quantum mechanics Aug 11 15:00:26 th3hate: simple answer: no you can not Aug 11 15:00:34 <_trine> I can reccomend a very good web site Aug 11 15:00:49 thanks, nothing new to learn there Aug 11 15:01:20 <_trine> quantum mechanics is one of my life long interests Aug 11 15:01:28 I got my quantum shit sorted for all I need for EE purposes (and a bit beyond) Aug 11 15:03:40 <_trine> http://streamer.perimeterinstitute.ca/mediasite/viewer/ Aug 11 15:03:55 <_trine> those are some of the student lectures Aug 11 15:04:08 <_trine> there are some good public lectures too Aug 11 15:05:03 <_trine> http://www.perimeterinstitute.ca/en/Outreach/Public_Lectures/View_Past_Public_Lectures/ Aug 11 15:06:34 Ещ штыефдд ыщьуерштп акщь Фвщиу Ш ырщгдв сдщыу умукнерштп акщь Фвщиу фтв Ашкуащч Aug 11 15:06:38 oh shit Aug 11 15:06:47 hehe Aug 11 15:07:09 looks like captions from Borat :D Aug 11 15:07:50 Looks like Unicode. Aug 11 15:08:38 dang, this a/v receiver is complicated to set up.. Aug 11 15:08:40 wazd, I am pleased you realised you had mucked up. I thought for a minute I had started drinking early Aug 11 15:08:58 :-D Aug 11 15:09:19 I was trying to tell that to install something from Adobe I shoud close everything from Adobe and Firefox Aug 11 15:09:28 21st century Aug 11 15:10:09 wazd, it wasn't even russian Aug 11 15:10:17 google translate result Aug 11 15:10:22 Esch shtyefdd yschuershtp aksch Fvschiu W yrschgdv sdschyu umuknershtp aksch Fvschiu FGTS Ashkuaschch Aug 11 15:10:35 * lcuk is even more confuddled Aug 11 15:10:50 lcuk: that was english typed with wrong language selected :D Aug 11 15:10:56 lcuk: my common problem :) Aug 11 15:11:23 ahhh PEBKAC Aug 11 15:11:27 you type looking at the keyboard? Aug 11 15:11:40 * lcuk does Aug 11 15:11:50 even thought I can fluently touchtype Aug 11 15:12:21 8@#9"5*"#+9'358'3+85-*8:+ Aug 11 15:12:45 T9 turned itself off? Aug 11 15:13:07 fn lock failed to turn off Aug 11 15:14:15 there are apps (FuelPad) that sort of enable Fn mode for numeric entry boxes Aug 11 15:14:42 try to input a floating point value in those -- 124 work fine, but to enter '.' you need to hold Fn Aug 11 15:14:44 wtf Aug 11 15:15:07 yep, amazing feature :-D Aug 11 15:15:20 hm, they default to , for me, which happens to be the decimal separator in my locale Aug 11 15:15:23 mgedmin: fuelpad takes floating point with "," as separator Aug 11 15:15:49 chem|st, to enter ',' you also have to hold down Fn Aug 11 15:15:53 ShadowJK: HAHAHA - now that sounds more like a bug then Aug 11 15:15:54 nope Aug 11 15:16:00 what? Aug 11 15:16:20 mgedmin: you should be able to enter it without Aug 11 15:16:20 yes Aug 11 15:16:30 I don't have to hold it Aug 11 15:16:30 mmh wierd Aug 11 15:16:31 I get = if I don't hold fn Aug 11 15:16:40 To continue installation, close all listed processes: Acrobat.exe, Dreamweaver.exe, Illustrator.exe, Photoshop.exe, InDesign.exe, Firefox.exe" Aug 11 15:16:54 But I have a Finnish layout which has . and , in the same key Aug 11 15:16:58 DocScrutinizer, it always made sense to me that boxes for entering numbers automatically set layout to numbers entry :p Aug 11 15:17:03 good for you Aug 11 15:17:09 * DocScrutinizer stares at .exe and starts coughing Aug 11 15:17:13 The developer of FuelPad is also finnish I think Aug 11 15:17:22 ah you got a separate key for , Aug 11 15:17:23 I use the english layout (I'm not sure if it's US or UK) Aug 11 15:17:27 which explains why the issue has gone unnoticed Aug 11 15:17:34 mgedmin: both the same Aug 11 15:17:35 do you think it's a FuelPad issue? Aug 11 15:17:44 ShadowJK: sure, but not taking into account different separators seems odd Aug 11 15:17:44 I though it set a property on the gtk input box Aug 11 15:17:50 mgedmin: yes Aug 11 15:17:58 So go ahead and file a bug for FuelPad. I'm sure it'll be fixed. Aug 11 15:18:17 ShadowJK: looks like it's not completely locale aware Aug 11 15:18:19 and the rest is just OS input method doing what it wants to do Aug 11 15:18:29 mgedmin: I'd love to rearange all the readings on my keys... Aug 11 15:18:35 ShadowJK: ot too aware Aug 11 15:18:38 btw port numbers in advances connection settings is also auto-numbers Aug 11 15:19:06 yeah but you don't need special characters there Aug 11 15:19:08 mhm, but those are always written with dots Aug 11 15:19:19 not port numbers Aug 11 15:19:32 ip addresses? Aug 11 15:19:43 ooh port numbers Aug 11 15:20:28 ok it is odd Aug 11 15:21:04 aaauagh I hate google reader sometimes Aug 11 15:21:18 sometimes? Aug 11 15:21:30 open a post (it's marked as read), leave it for a few hours, move to a different network, and now you can't do anything Aug 11 15:21:35 can't mark it as "not read" Aug 11 15:21:48 google.com/reader/i Aug 11 15:27:39 How does stuff get syndicated onto /news? Aug 11 15:28:58 SpeedEvil: There's a syndicate your blog link on Planet (which gets to /news) and some specific news sources are listed as well Aug 11 15:30:43 ah Aug 11 15:38:54 * Jaffa is restraining himself, badly, on the "Who needs the council" thread Aug 11 15:39:33 i just saw that thread Aug 11 15:39:50 * SpeedEvil imagines the council walking on stage with 'The Who'. Aug 11 15:39:57 lol Aug 11 15:40:17 "Whoooooo are you? Whoo Whooo Who Who" Aug 11 15:41:06 CSI FTW Aug 11 15:43:31 Hehe, haven't you seen this coming though? Aug 11 15:49:34 RST38h: Sure Aug 11 15:51:03 * RST38h wonders how landscape changes once the Harmattan device is out Aug 11 15:51:12 Would be fun to watch Aug 11 15:51:33 RST38h: what about portrait? Aug 11 15:51:42 As achipa says, so much is still unknown. Aug 11 15:51:51 Corsac: NO FLASH! Aug 11 15:52:09 Nokia insist it'll be more MeeGoish; but there'll be loads of questoins on meego.com about packaging debs? Hmm. Aug 11 15:52:15 s/questoins/questions/ Aug 11 15:52:16 Jaffa meant: Nokia insist it'll be more MeeGoish; but there'll be loads of questions on meego.com about packaging debs? Hmm. Aug 11 15:52:29 debs on MeeGo? Aug 11 15:54:14 Jaffa: Personally I do not expect too much traffic at meego.com Aug 11 15:54:36 Jaffa: People will stay at maemo.org Aug 11 15:56:25 wtf is wrong with the autobuilder Aug 11 15:57:37 nothing, just needs a medium sized sacrifice Aug 11 15:59:24 Flash, ooooh, savior of the universe Aug 11 15:59:25 * RST38h checks out Meego APIs documentation. Doxygen again. How typical... Aug 11 16:07:12 MohammadAG: Debs on MeeGo-Harmattan (or whatever it gets called) Aug 11 16:07:28 oh, that MeeGo Aug 11 16:12:01 Jaffa, what, not having fun yet? Aug 11 16:22:35 http://i.imgur.com/64bwT.png Aug 11 16:24:16 There are also studies that indicate that the dumber a person is, the more active sexlife he/she has. Aug 11 16:24:22 GAN900: Yeah, lots of fun cos I like fishing for compliments :) Aug 11 16:24:33 MiXu-: Ah, that explains it. Aug 11 16:24:45 MiXu-: Well, that and 6 years of marriage Aug 11 16:24:57 :) Aug 11 17:01:08 RST38h: if you find docs about sensorfw API, please tell me Aug 11 17:02:22 any ideas how to get /dev/video* to appear w/o Maemo? -.- Aug 11 17:02:42 modprobe v4l2 ? Aug 11 17:02:49 wild guess Aug 11 17:06:55 DocScrutinizer: all the modules are loaded ofc Aug 11 17:07:24 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Aug 11 17:07:48 guess they'll need some config as well Aug 11 17:08:09 as for quite different vlavours of cam out there Aug 11 17:08:22 flavours even Aug 11 17:09:38 fcamera. Aug 11 17:09:39 think I've seen some very specific nokia (kernel?) daemons in ps as well, that sounded like video/cam Aug 11 17:09:53 Can I tell it to take shots forever until it runs out of space. Aug 11 17:10:04 camera-ui? Aug 11 17:10:31 nothing a while true; do loop couldn't do, with fcam - aiui Aug 11 17:11:26 does fcam take commandline args? Aug 11 17:12:07 no idea, but that's what I thought Aug 11 17:12:53 I was wondering about tonight. Aug 11 17:12:55 Perseids Aug 11 17:13:19 ooh :-D Aug 11 17:13:33 * DocScrutinizer curses clouds Aug 11 17:14:38 Any idea why my N900 is sometimes so damn sloe, hildon-home hogs CPU and sometimes I miss calls cause phone is feeling so slow? Aug 11 17:14:46 and milk which tastes like garlic :-O** so no latte macchiato for DocScrutinizer51 Aug 11 17:15:13 I've gone over to UHT milk. Aug 11 17:15:16 - heat treated. Aug 11 17:15:27 The modern stuff I can't taste any difference. Aug 11 17:15:32 won't help on that one :-D Aug 11 17:15:35 And I can buy 30l and jam it in the cupboard. Aug 11 17:16:16 stupid cow eaten a whole field of that garlic-alike herbs it seems Aug 11 17:16:22 Ah. Aug 11 17:16:32 yeah - used to have goats. Aug 11 17:16:38 (well - parents did) Aug 11 17:17:00 Milk when they'd been on some stuff - hawthorne - for example - was very tainted. Aug 11 17:17:05 Garlic mustard? Aug 11 17:17:19 * SpeedEvil has pulled most of that out of the garden I think. Aug 11 17:18:07 ramson? Aug 11 17:18:30 SpeedEvil, awesome idea (perseids) Aug 11 17:18:55 I'd not even see an iridium flare Aug 11 17:19:07 clouds :-( Aug 11 17:20:04 Hi again Aug 11 17:20:40 * DocScrutinizer ponders about an iridum flare alarm app Aug 11 17:22:25 should do ISS and perseids as well Aug 11 17:23:22 of course GPS based Aug 11 17:23:55 Noone have package newer version of pylint for #extras repository ? Aug 11 17:30:09 I'm still asking myself if stopping maintain my package in extras repository was a good idea ... as now there are outdated version of python module or apps that stay in the extas repository and noone else maintain them Aug 11 17:31:50 yeah, you don't quit with garage. No matter where you run to Aug 11 17:34:09 btw - does something other then mediaplayer and gallery use data from Tracker? Aug 11 17:36:05 so anyhow Aug 11 17:36:21 N900 battery lasts *much* longer with R&D disabled… Aug 11 17:36:47 3 hours off AC, GPRS+Wifi enabled, still over 85% Aug 11 17:36:53 of course Aug 11 17:37:06 DocScrutinizer: the problem is mainly that they refuse to remove my package from extras so let s thinking user that it still maintained. And specially when application manager ignore package from third party repository even newer if they exists in maemo repository Aug 11 17:37:23 R&D disabled ? Aug 11 17:37:43 Stskeeps: any idea how to get cameras to work? :P Aug 11 17:37:49 luke-jr: on mainline? Aug 11 17:37:57 on Fremantle Aug 11 17:37:59 luke-jr: another area we're working in, but that one is a bit more difficult Aug 11 17:38:01 luke-jr: v4l2 Aug 11 17:38:09 also, not "of course"-- R&D *should* just disable the stupid watchdogs :P Aug 11 17:38:19 Stskeeps: /dev/video* don't exist without Maemo… Aug 11 17:38:26 luke-jr: then you're not loading the right modules Aug 11 17:38:34 yes I am :/ Aug 11 17:38:38 or rather, udev is Aug 11 17:38:46 I manually loaded every video-related module tho Aug 11 17:39:17 Any news on the obs to create repository for maemo ? Aug 11 17:39:24 Good reviews in a hotel bar. How glamours Aug 11 17:39:33 Nokia-N900:~# ls /dev/video* -l Aug 11 17:39:33 crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 2 Jan 1 1970 /dev/video0 Aug 11 17:39:33 crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 1 Jan 1 1970 /dev/video1 Aug 11 17:39:39 * luke-jr wonders if fcam is open source Aug 11 17:39:44 hrw: you have Maemo running Aug 11 17:39:46 s/Good/Code/ Aug 11 17:39:46 Jaffa meant: Code reviews in a hotel bar. How glamours Aug 11 17:39:53 luke-jr: yes, I have Aug 11 17:40:17 s/glamours/glamourous/ Aug 11 17:40:17 Jaffa meant: Good reviews in a hotel bar. How glamourous Aug 11 17:40:22 hrw: that's cheating Aug 11 17:40:23 luke-jr: you asked 'on fremantle'... Aug 11 17:40:31 hrw: Fremantle kernel Aug 11 17:41:06 check who's responsible for dev major 81 Aug 11 17:41:08 I wish to have 2nd n900 for playing with 2.6.35 on it Aug 11 17:41:29 board_rx51_camera? Aug 11 17:41:54 hrw: NITDroid has some multiboot thing, and Stskeeps is playing with uBoot Aug 11 17:42:23 bye. Must disconnect ... low battery Aug 11 17:44:42 luke-jr: I know - have multiboot and nitroid installed. multiboot is crap - to reboot maemo5 I need to power on it too often Aug 11 17:45:23 ah Aug 11 17:48:29 Hi Aug 11 17:51:44 so is FCam 100% open, and if so, is it usable as a daily-life digicam? Aug 11 17:52:06 when they add flash light support, yeah Aug 11 17:52:24 luke-jr, I'd use it as a replacement for the camera app, if it had flash support Aug 11 17:53:34 I use fcamera instead of normal one. lack of flash does not bother me as I do not use it anyway Aug 11 17:54:05 wazd, any estimate on the xmb live-wp? :) Aug 11 17:54:51 MohammadAG51: I'm working on it right now, faced some crazy shit again - proper codecs don't wan't to show up Aug 11 17:55:09 they are installed but neither Premiere nor VDub see them Aug 11 17:55:19 hmm? Aug 11 17:55:30 wazd, i thought live-wp weren't videos? Aug 11 17:55:36 live-wps* Aug 11 17:55:45 (like the matrix one) Aug 11 17:55:51 MohammadAG51: well, they are videos aswell :) Aug 11 17:56:10 so you're using the new version Aug 11 17:56:19 MohammadAG51: yep Aug 11 17:57:55 timeless: 'MeeGo Devices at Nokia is looking for Project Lead, Localization Testing' Aug 11 18:01:38 O.o Aug 11 18:02:25 oh, fiixed Aug 11 18:03:47 wazd, yay? :p Aug 11 18:11:10 MohammadAG51: 1.43Gb -> 3Mb :D Aug 11 18:11:48 do fcam-drivers affect normal non-fcam use at all? Aug 11 18:12:19 wazd, made a new compression spec? :P Aug 11 18:15:21 Stskeeps: interesting Aug 11 18:15:57 MohammadAG51: well, it still lags a bit, maybe downscaling will help Aug 11 18:16:16 wazd, mind throwing it over? or at least an online preview? :) Aug 11 18:18:21 MohammadAG51: wait a sec :) Aug 11 18:19:40 MohammadAG51: basically it is this video downscaled http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EgpBh9A-zA Aug 11 18:28:15 MohammadAG51: http://wazd.ucoz.ru/XMB_LW.avi Aug 11 18:29:58 wazd, waz'dat? Aug 11 18:30:47 mece: not sure :D Aug 11 18:31:21 wazd, awesome! Aug 11 18:31:25 now colours :P Aug 11 18:31:39 MohammadAG51: well, that's simple Aug 11 18:31:56 MohammadAG51: if you mean hue change :) Aug 11 18:32:41 MohammadAG51: I'll try to make different versions after 400x240 video experiment Aug 11 18:33:57 wazd, it's awesome as it is tbh, different colours and i'd release it Aug 11 18:34:32 MohammadAG51: I have some lags right now, is it fine on your device? Aug 11 18:34:41 yeah Aug 11 18:34:49 it's not like the on my ps3 Aug 11 18:34:51 but it's fine Aug 11 18:43:59 MohammadAG51: well, thank that guy that has done all the dirty work :D Aug 11 18:44:20 MohammadAG51: I've done only re-encoding :) Aug 11 18:46:32 wazd, :) Aug 11 18:46:39 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Aug 11 18:47:00 did you see the startup videos for maemo Aug 11 18:47:13 theres one with glowing balls threading through Aug 11 18:47:21 I shall dig the thread out Aug 11 18:48:39 if we can make a followon for a more immersive experience still Aug 11 18:48:40 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32935 Aug 11 18:52:24 well, low res video acted surprisingly worse Aug 11 18:52:45 lol wazd Aug 11 18:53:10 has anybody used ssh through bluetooth? Aug 11 19:00:48 umm, which profile? Aug 11 19:01:18 does something other then mediaplayer and gallery use data from Tracker? Aug 11 19:01:54 not by default afaik Aug 11 19:08:42 I just disabled nepomuk on desktop Aug 11 19:09:26 as I do not see sense in application which has to index GBs of data just to give me a bit better search results Aug 11 19:56:50 hrw: Nepomuk can't be disabled anymore Aug 11 19:57:05 hrw: on Maemo, Photos requires Tracker Aug 11 19:58:36 luke-jr: system settings -> nepomuk has an option "enable nepomuk semantic desktop" (or sth like that in english) Aug 11 19:58:42 so it can be disabled Aug 11 19:58:54 hrw: what old version? :P Aug 11 19:59:17 luke-jr: kde sc 4.5.0-rc Aug 11 19:59:33 hum Aug 11 19:59:38 maybe I just mean at build Aug 11 19:59:42 ii libnepomukquery4a 4:4.5.0b-0ubuntu1 the Nepomuk Query Library for the KDE Platform Aug 11 20:02:43 hrw: my point exactly Aug 11 20:07:56 http://gizmodo.com/5609444/iphones-users-have-twice-as-much-sex-as-android-users-plus-which-camera-makes-you-sexiest Aug 11 20:08:11 i think i'm going to buy an iphone Aug 11 20:08:39 jacekowski: fail Aug 11 20:09:55 don't know where to begin with how wrong that graph is Aug 11 20:10:01 let me Aug 11 20:10:04 well, maybe the graph isn't wrong Aug 11 20:10:06 they're not corelated Aug 11 20:10:07 but the conclusions are Aug 11 20:10:25 jacekowski: look closer .. get some surgery make yourself a woman :P Aug 11 20:10:29 12 sexual partners, 1 time each Aug 11 20:10:34 vs 1 sexual partner, every night Aug 11 20:10:52 i prefer different partner every night Aug 11 20:11:03 jacekowski: that's your problem Aug 11 20:11:36 commitment ftw Aug 11 20:12:42 how fast to amoled screens refresh at? Aug 11 20:13:09 is there a set rate, and if you refresh slower do you save the life of them (but can you still see them) Aug 11 20:15:45 awesome, amoled would work well with white text black background Aug 11 20:15:50 and be most energy efficient Aug 11 20:19:09 12 sexual partners, at 1 time everyone Aug 11 20:19:34 btw. these numbers looks fakeish Aug 11 20:20:07 jacekowski 101, Aug 11 20:20:10 ?* Aug 11 20:20:34 well, 12 partners Aug 11 20:20:44 during lifetime, a year or what? Aug 11 20:21:17 during lunch? Aug 11 20:21:39 jacekowski: it says before age 30-something Aug 11 20:21:53 that looks low Aug 11 20:21:57 SpeedEvil: o/ Aug 11 20:22:27 jacekowski: if anything, high Aug 11 20:22:42 seeing as it should be 0 or 1 for almost all persons Aug 11 20:23:31 emm, what? Aug 11 20:23:33 don't get luke-jr going on a moralistic topic, please Aug 11 20:23:45 why is it that the camera app needs an internet connection when geo-tagging is enabled? Aug 11 20:23:51 it's really annoying Aug 11 20:23:56 i just want it to write gps coords Aug 11 20:24:04 hi Aug 11 20:24:38 jacekowski: unless ones wife dies, the number of partners should never rise above 1 Aug 11 20:24:47 Timbo: AGPS Aug 11 20:24:59 is there a way i can cripple the settings for using cell voice calls and SMS sending so the N90 will spit out an error when a program tries to use that functionality to help me verify if there is somthing hidden eating up my credits? Aug 11 20:25:00 Timbo: It wants to look up the geocode of the place. Aug 11 20:25:31 any way to turn that off Aug 11 20:25:39 dunno Aug 11 20:25:43 n900* Aug 11 20:27:37 you mean long term partners? Aug 11 20:28:41 jacekowski: please stop Aug 11 20:29:14 Tiagotiago, tablet mode Aug 11 20:29:49 it allows you to turn the n900 back into a wifi only tablet Aug 11 20:30:02 i'm fscked if I can remember the name of the package though Aug 11 20:30:09 will that spit an error when a program tries to use those funcitonalities? Also, would there be a way to cripple the functionality without it being noticeable by programs untill they try to use it? Aug 11 20:30:56 Tiagotiago, just try it, afaik it does Aug 11 20:31:21 it works like you unplugged the sim I think, I put device into tablet mode when Jake wants to play Aug 11 20:31:26 leave tcpdump running on phonet interface Aug 11 20:32:32 jacekowski: I mean sexual partners, yes Aug 11 20:32:42 aka spouses Aug 11 20:32:53 the builtin SMS prog just puts the msg on the outbox to wait when SMS funcitonality is enabled again, which might 9indicate other programs can also detect when the phone is in tablet mode and just not send anything Aug 11 20:32:58 * luke-jr wonders if Wireshark supports phonet Aug 11 20:34:55 umm, why not? Aug 11 20:35:29 if ifconfig does, why should wireshark fail? Aug 11 20:36:11 think I even seen pkg wireshark for maemo Aug 11 20:37:13 DocScrutinizer: I mean dissection Aug 11 20:37:23 analyzing the content of the packets Aug 11 20:37:33 umm, no. You mean monitor mode Aug 11 20:37:40 no, I don't. Aug 11 20:37:43 tcpdump works fine for that Aug 11 20:38:10 rap, i deleted the msg i tried to send while in tablet mode, but it still got sent when i brought the cell functinality back online, more money down the drain :( Aug 11 20:38:14 tcpdump can write me a nice pcap file with all the binary data going over phonet Aug 11 20:38:29 what I wonder is if I open that file up in Wireshark if it will explain the binary data to me Aug 11 20:38:30 how's a packet tcp over GPRS different to dissect than same packet TCP over e.g WLAN? Aug 11 20:38:45 DocScrutinizer: who said TCP? Aug 11 20:38:48 or GPRS? Aug 11 20:38:59 sorry you lost me Aug 11 20:39:07 DocScrutinizer: phonet0 != gprs0 Aug 11 20:39:38 completely Aug 11 20:41:22 the answer is no Aug 11 20:41:30 Wireshark has phonet packets 'unknown' Aug 11 20:42:22 * kirma notes that qt git repos seem to have pr1.3 related branches that are updated constantly Aug 11 20:42:44 mhm Aug 11 20:42:56 .o=(???) Aug 11 20:44:07 Wireshark is gimming only a bunch of SLL unicast packets, even when i make a call Aug 11 20:44:07 http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/commits/4.7-fremantle-pr1.3 at least Aug 11 20:45:11 hm, a couple of "sent by us" packets popped in now Aug 11 20:45:17 Tiagotiago: … Aug 11 20:45:45 Wireshark is not helping me figure out if i have some hidden program eating up my credits :( Aug 11 20:46:10 lol Aug 11 20:47:01 what filter should i use to filter outgoing SMS' in Wireshark? Aug 11 20:47:45 umm... Aug 11 20:47:54 Tiagotiago: Wireshark doesn't understand phonet, I just said Aug 11 20:48:04 oh Aug 11 20:48:08 obviously it can't filter what it doesn't understand Aug 11 20:48:08 When did these SMSs happen? Aug 11 20:48:12 that is what you mean Aug 11 20:48:13 And how many SMSs are there? Aug 11 20:48:24 Was it one/tw at installation of 1.2 ? Aug 11 20:48:27 tow Aug 11 20:48:28 tow Aug 11 20:48:29 tow Aug 11 20:48:30 toe Aug 11 20:48:33 /kick SpeedEvil Aug 11 20:48:35 * SpeedEvil sighs. Aug 11 20:48:35 i dunno, i'm not even sure they are being sent at all, but my credit keeps trickling down Aug 11 20:48:36 two Aug 11 20:49:03 Tiagotiago: Do you not have a online account monitoring at you phone provider that will tell you where your credit is going? Aug 11 20:49:11 since i've mangled the username of the GPRS conection i don't think any program is using it, so that leaves me SMS Aug 11 20:49:53 i talked with the support yesterday they will be sending me the log of use of my account by snailmail in the next few days, the guy i talked with didn't knew why they don't offer the log online Aug 11 20:51:38 or can programs use their own GPRS connection indenpendent of the conetion defined in the control panel? Aug 11 20:53:14 offering logs online increases risk of accidental exposure Aug 11 20:53:27 i wouldn't want my provider having logs available online Aug 11 20:53:39 the good side is i didn't had much credits to start with, so even if i take several days to figure out what is going on, i'll jsut hit zero credits and not have lost much money (should be around 5 bucks total) Aug 11 20:54:04 as long as they provide strong password and encryption etc, shouldn't be much of an issue Aug 11 20:54:16 you're assuming they're competent Aug 11 20:54:22 that's a terrible assumption Aug 11 20:54:25 lol Aug 11 20:54:28 yeah, they aren't Aug 11 20:54:35 see! Aug 11 20:54:52 silly guy Aug 11 20:55:05 if you know someone isn't competent, don't assume they are in your expectations o... Aug 11 20:55:52 but it would be aviable int he same place where i can do other things that would cost me money, so my account is already in danger anyway Aug 11 20:55:58 luke-jr: phonet0==gprs0 * Aug 11 20:57:05 it's protected behind a 4 digits numeric password and a 4 char alphanumeric captcha though Aug 11 20:57:09 while phonet0 gives me -> SLL sent by us ; gprs0 works just fine Aug 11 20:57:46 now you might google for SLL if you feel like :-) Aug 11 20:58:00 Sercure Link Layer? Aug 11 21:01:21 Wikipedia says SLL is the abreviation for the currency of Sierra Leone Aug 11 21:02:53 kirma: pr1.3 named branches does not mean that pr1.3 will happen Aug 11 21:03:51 it does however show that the developers are trying to do something about it. Aug 11 21:04:23 what pr1.3 branches? Aug 11 21:04:36 or need more stable branch for working on code which will end in somewhere Aug 11 21:04:44 * MohammadAG51 unpacks mp-fremantle-generic-pr to customize it Aug 11 21:05:02 MohammadAG51, at least post pr1.2 mods :) Aug 11 21:05:19 hd :) Aug 11 21:05:27 as one example Aug 11 21:05:56 * MohammadAG51 wonders why pulseaudio is closed Aug 11 21:06:03 bug 7901 i think? Aug 11 21:06:11 die povbot Aug 11 21:06:12 MohammadAG51: well, in this case Qt stuff. seems to be Qt update to 4.7 and some bugfixes... http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/blobs/4.7-fremantle-pr1.3/debian/changelog Aug 11 21:06:31 * MohammadAG51 sees the word blobs Aug 11 21:06:36 * MohammadAG51 grins Aug 11 21:06:46 * lcuk sees MohammadAG51 as a blob Aug 11 21:06:57 * MohammadAG51 blobs lcuk with a frals Aug 11 21:07:21 * lcuk sets an overweight trout on MohammadAG51 Aug 11 21:08:11 found ya, osso-product-info -s OSSO_VERSION="RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_MR0" Aug 11 21:08:40 hmm Aug 11 21:08:46 that's in cal isn't it? Aug 11 21:09:46 Maintainer: Nokia Aug 11 21:09:56 follow standards and shove an email next to the name Aug 11 21:10:17 file a bug technically Aug 11 21:13:30 Very negative tmo today :/ Aug 11 21:18:17 Tiagotiago: your provider *might* charge you for data sent in pointless retries to associate to wron SPN Aug 11 21:18:20 APN Aug 11 21:18:26 Hello all Aug 11 21:18:44 Anyone care to help me out? My n900 is acting strange Aug 11 21:18:45 wouldn't those pop up an error message? Aug 11 21:19:44 Basically it claims to have run out of memory for installable applications, but I know it shouldn't have Aug 11 21:19:51 Tiagotiago: nope Aug 11 21:20:14 is thre a log somewhere listing those events? Aug 11 21:20:19 i mean, on the device itself Aug 11 21:21:04 dunno. Seems your best and simplest bet is to associate to wlan, as then GPRS should be down reliably Aug 11 21:21:59 AfroMark: df -h ? Aug 11 21:22:23 i've been using wlan all this time my credits have been trickling down Aug 11 21:22:52 you installed fmms Aug 11 21:22:54 ? Aug 11 21:23:02 yep Aug 11 21:23:06 haven't used it yet though Aug 11 21:23:07 see? Aug 11 21:23:28 that prog is known to keep trying to connect to GPRS? Aug 11 21:23:32 fmms configures a second APN Aug 11 21:23:49 i've mangled the user name ont hat one as well Aug 11 21:24:01 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Aug 11 21:24:22 at least that connection won't go down on WLAN connect aiui Aug 11 21:24:32 does fmms runs on the background? Aug 11 21:24:35 the connection fmms uses is hidden Aug 11 21:24:36 no Aug 11 21:24:48 err wut? Aug 11 21:24:50 DocScrutinizer: I've tried df -h before, but I don't know what I'm looking for. What is the name of the directory where applications are installed? Aug 11 21:24:58 if i uninstall it, will that be enough, if it is what is causing the issue? Aug 11 21:25:16 Tiagotiago: you'll tell us Aug 11 21:25:19 DocScrutinizer, it doesn't show in the connecton UI Aug 11 21:25:43 this usb port is *annoying* Aug 11 21:25:43 wut was for no Aug 11 21:25:59 i have to charge with the cable half below my laptop so it pulls down a little and makes the connection Aug 11 21:26:03 does fmms runs on the background? Aug 11 21:26:47 kerio: great, so you have another 2 plug rounds maybe to let it fix without complete swap of mainboard Aug 11 21:27:01 nooooo :( Aug 11 21:27:02 orit doesn't show in the dashboard, but i dunno if the process is running Aug 11 21:27:16 use miniB, it worked for someone Aug 11 21:28:07 MohammadAG51: shouldn't fmms run all the time, to receive mms on the time they happen? Aug 11 21:28:22 it doesn't Aug 11 21:28:32 * MohammadAG51 pokes frals Aug 11 21:28:33 DocScrutinizer: … Aug 11 21:28:54 luke-jr: ;;; Aug 11 21:29:10 DocScrutinizer: (⁂) Aug 11 21:29:18 DocScrutinizer: is it something i could do by myself Aug 11 21:29:20 could it associate with thebuyiltin messaging prog and have it launch fMMS when a MS arives? Aug 11 21:29:39 kerio: depends on your skills Aug 11 21:30:24 i think the inside connector is just misaligned Aug 11 21:30:27 Tiagotiago: quite possible Aug 11 21:30:50 i'll see if i find a nokia store nearby Aug 11 21:30:53 aiui a mms is a sms that contains a URL to the media content Aug 11 21:31:34 kerio: if it's misaligned then most probably it's coming off Aug 11 21:32:45 the fact it's not completely loose shows you have the electric contacts stil somewhat connected, and PCB not yet destroyed by tearing off pads and traces Aug 11 21:33:12 * MohammadAG51 pokes frals with a chainsaw Aug 11 21:33:18 bye Aug 11 21:34:00 DocScrutinizer: so you're saying i should hurry? Aug 11 21:34:10 or that's fixable with home tools? Aug 11 21:34:38 I say you SHOULD NOT use the usb recepacle any longer, prior to fixing Aug 11 21:34:41 ~2119 Aug 11 21:34:42 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. Aug 11 21:35:10 could anyone please hear out my problem in a private conversation? I don't think it'll get anywhere otherwise Aug 11 21:35:26 DocScrutinizer: and what, not charge the battery? Aug 11 21:35:27 :/ Aug 11 21:36:00 how will you charge when receptacle totally broken and so the PCB? Aug 11 21:36:24 AfroMark, and miss out on the collective knowledge of 514 other enthusiasts? Aug 11 21:36:25 is installing nitdroid safe? Aug 11 21:36:36 i would pick a public community discussion over PM anyday! Aug 11 21:36:41 android eats your babies Aug 11 21:36:42 oh ok. Aug 11 21:37:01 can someone tell me what directory installed applications are held in? Aug 11 21:37:05 lcuk, 513, never count yourself Aug 11 21:37:18 you just have to ask the right questions and offer the right information beforehand :) Aug 11 21:37:20 AfroMark, / Aug 11 21:37:26 lol Aug 11 21:37:33 my n900 is telling me it has no memory available for applications, but there should be plenty Aug 11 21:37:36 AfroMark, whats your actual problem Aug 11 21:37:41 AfroMark: please paste the 3 lines df gave you Aug 11 21:37:44 in that case Aug 11 21:37:47 AfroMark, /opt Aug 11 21:37:52 ok, open the console, type "df" and tell us what it says for the "/" area Aug 11 21:37:52 there are more than three lines Aug 11 21:37:54 as MohammadAG51 said Aug 11 21:37:56 or /home/opt to be more precise Aug 11 21:38:14 also for /home Aug 11 21:38:35 we need a new pastebinit Aug 11 21:38:55 what is the free space on each of the partitions? Aug 11 21:39:00 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# df -h / /home Aug 11 21:39:02 Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on Aug 11 21:39:03 rootfs 227.9M 141.0M 82.7M 63% / Aug 11 21:39:05 /dev/mmcblk0p2 2.0G 379.0M 1.5G 20% /home Aug 11 21:39:06 right, so rootfs and ubi:rootfs are both mounted to / and use indicated 94% Aug 11 21:39:20 rootfs is ubi:rootfs Aug 11 21:39:22 ouch Aug 11 21:39:52 the problem is, i havnt installed many apps, and Ive even removed some to no avail Aug 11 21:39:56 94% doesn't sound good anyway - please enter the command like above Aug 11 21:40:09 what about /home? Aug 11 21:40:29 df -h / /home Aug 11 21:41:03 ok one sec Aug 11 21:41:03 hmm, crap /dev/mmcblk0p1 27.0G 26.7G 286.4M 99% /home/user/MyDocs Aug 11 21:41:12 lol Aug 11 21:41:33 how do you guys paste all this stuff? I'm on my pc atm Aug 11 21:41:36 MohammadAG51, *implied facepalm* Aug 11 21:41:39 MohammadAG51: delete that pr0n Aug 11 21:41:43 cool, this was at 36MBs a week ago, /dev/mmcblk0p2 2.0G 1.1G 758.9M 60% /home Aug 11 21:41:50 MohammadAG51: share that pr0n Aug 11 21:41:56 AfroMark, ssh usually, but thats a whole other topic Aug 11 21:41:57 DocScrutinizer, who stores porn, streaming ftw Aug 11 21:42:04 AfroMark: I'm logged in to N900 via ssh from my PC Aug 11 21:42:13 c&p is easy that way Aug 11 21:42:38 yeh, ssh is a bit beyond me - ive tried messing with linux before but never got the hang of it Aug 11 21:43:03 using putty i can easilly get a remote terminal on my PC Aug 11 21:43:06 Putty* Aug 11 21:43:08 MohammadAG51: I'm headscratching how you managed to fill 26.7G though Aug 11 21:43:26 DocScrutinizer, pretty much the same Aug 11 21:43:49 wtf Aug 11 21:43:49 apt pkg cache? Aug 11 21:43:55 1.6GBs of maps? Aug 11 21:43:59 AfroMark, :) maemo was my first ever fulltime linux installation, at some point in the future, get hold of winscp and putty and open your mind to it - its simple :) Aug 11 21:43:59 i don't even use maps Aug 11 21:44:19 * MohammadAG51 rm -rfs Aug 11 21:44:56 1.1GB DCIM/ Aug 11 21:44:59 AfroMark: but for now it's enough to quote the %used figures from those 2 lines Aug 11 21:45:05 4G .documents/ Aug 11 21:45:07 MohammadAG51, is that all? Aug 11 21:45:31 MohammadAG51: you think this helps? Aug 11 21:46:03 491M backups lol Aug 11 21:46:34 300M fcamera wtf Aug 11 21:46:59 MohammadAG51: see, you made him angry, he took his pills and metamorphed to lcukn900 Aug 11 21:47:13 right. should have some stats for you in a sec Aug 11 21:47:25 i'm doing this a bit of a long way round Aug 11 21:47:27 is installing nitdroid safe? Aug 11 21:47:31 i use FireFTP to connect via sFTP Aug 11 21:47:37 since its all in MicroSD Aug 11 21:47:57 and can i just remove SD card and it will boot maemo like normal? Aug 11 21:48:25 ok, so just "df" gave this table (it's a bit squashed) Aug 11 21:48:28 ~ $ df Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on rootfs 233344 214192 14868 94% / ubi0:rootfs 233344 214192 14868 94% / tmpfs 1024 108 916 11% /tmp tmpfs 256 80 176 31% /var/run none 10240 72 10168 1% /dev tmpfs 65536 4 65532 0% /dev/shm /dev/mmcblk0p1 28312128 11828544 16483584 42% /home/user/MyDocs Aug 11 21:48:30 Tiagotiago, I found winscp first, how comfortable/configurable is fireftp Aug 11 21:48:46 where's /home Aug 11 21:49:02 df -h / /home Aug 11 21:49:10 2.9G .sounds Aug 11 21:49:16 "df -h /home" gave this: Aug 11 21:49:22 MohammadAG51: that's enough Aug 11 21:49:23 3.7G .videos Aug 11 21:49:26 I haven't used WinSCP yet, dunno how they compare to eachother Aug 11 21:49:29 ~ $ df -h /home Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on rootfs 227.9M 208.7M 15.0M 93% / Aug 11 21:49:39 1.1G DCIM Aug 11 21:49:43 MohammadAG51: pastebin it Aug 11 21:50:05 DocScrutinizer, can't, du -h'ing shit manually Aug 11 21:50:08 and "df -h / /home" gave this: Aug 11 21:50:12 ~ $ df -h / /home Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on rootfs 227.9M 208.7M 15.0M 93% / rootfs 227.9M 208.7M 15.0M 93% / Aug 11 21:50:20 oh Aug 11 21:50:25 adobe photoshop CS5 Aug 11 21:50:30 that explains it Aug 11 21:50:34 this is a tad oftopic; is there a way i can setup Gmail to fwd msgs sent by people in a list of senders i create? Aug 11 21:50:50 umm Aug 11 21:50:52 wtff? Aug 11 21:50:52 AfroMark: you rouned /home Aug 11 21:51:01 ruined Aug 11 21:51:14 technically I didn't do it Aug 11 21:51:24 mompls Aug 11 21:51:55 I sent my phone to a nokia carecentre to be looked at cause it stopped working. They apparently flashed it and replaced the on/off button Aug 11 21:52:01 AfroMark: please copy this: mount|grep home Aug 11 21:52:08 When I got it back, it still had all my old files on Aug 11 21:52:18 Although the OS was reset Aug 11 21:52:25 so reflash Aug 11 21:52:27 easy Aug 11 21:52:33 this is so i can have msgs from people i know be fwd'd to the "secret" account i have set on my device without any spam getting thru (since only Google knows about the address, well, at least the only spam will be from Google) Aug 11 21:52:34 ++ Aug 11 21:52:43 yep, full reflash should do Aug 11 21:52:48 but if you want to backup photos now, then do so.. Aug 11 21:52:52 hmm Aug 11 21:53:03 what if you lost the 2GB partition Aug 11 21:53:05 how do I get a pipe symbal in terminal>? Aug 11 21:53:13 I wonder where photos could live when even /home is gone Aug 11 21:53:21 blue arrow + ctrl Aug 11 21:53:24 thats a good point Aug 11 21:53:39 aha. never knew that! Aug 11 21:53:43 useful! Aug 11 21:53:54 kerio: … this is someone who can't figure out ssh Aug 11 21:54:24 Weee, time to unset some TMs. Aug 11 21:55:17 heh, found the PR1.0 image Aug 11 21:55:41 ok, so mount grep home gave this: Aug 11 21:55:43 ~ $ mount|grep home /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir) Aug 11 21:56:11 damn that's weird Aug 11 21:56:32 MohammadAG51, heh Aug 11 21:56:32 ls -lid /home Aug 11 21:57:06 is it possible that the Nokia shop reinstalled Maemo into the smaller memory partition for apps? Aug 11 21:57:30 AfroMark: please type: stat /home Aug 11 21:57:35 i dbout they'd know how to do that Aug 11 21:57:39 AfroMark, can you paste entire output of df and mount into pastebin Aug 11 21:57:40 DocScrutinizer, was the "ls" command for me to try? Aug 11 21:57:40 and paste the result here Aug 11 21:57:44 having random lines is a bit confusing Aug 11 21:57:48 and actually Aug 11 21:57:55 opt > rootfs Aug 11 21:58:09 pastebin? Aug 11 21:58:10 lcuk: ack# Aug 11 21:58:17 ~pastebin Aug 11 21:58:18 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. Aug 11 21:58:20 this is academic really, since the guys have already mentioned best way to cure this Aug 11 21:58:21 sorry, i'm a bit of a n00b Aug 11 21:59:04 thats ok, but something is off, its just finding out what - i think best will be to reflash like others Aug 11 21:59:05 hmm, the second half of that info doesn't really help AfroMark :-P Aug 11 21:59:08 everyone is, at one point or another Aug 11 21:59:32 4 years ago, i didn't know what ls was Aug 11 21:59:49 I'd like to learn how /home can be gone while /home/user/MyDocs still there Aug 11 21:59:51 or was it 3 years Aug 11 22:00:05 home can't go away DocScrutinizer Aug 11 22:00:20 i doubt maemo would boot w/o a /home Aug 11 22:00:39 yeah, but look at the pasts of AfroMark Aug 11 22:00:59 i think /home went after booting Aug 11 22:01:04 for some reason.. Aug 11 22:01:07 yep Aug 11 22:01:30 fs corrupt maybe Aug 11 22:01:50 shall see clearer once the whole paste is there Aug 11 22:01:51 AfroMark: see-> Aug 11 22:01:55 * lcuk cannot grep lines Aug 11 22:01:55 ~flashing Aug 11 22:01:57 rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 11 22:02:40 AfroMark: you need to flash both VANILLA (aka eMMC) *and* COMBINED (aka rootfs) Aug 11 22:03:28 AfroMark: most painless under linux Aug 11 22:03:42 ok, so you're suggesting I flash certain areas of the device? I though a flash was an entire OS reinstall Aug 11 22:03:48 even a live-CD will do Aug 11 22:04:05 we need a maemo live cd Aug 11 22:04:14 AfroMark: you need a *complete* reflash Aug 11 22:04:22 coreutils + flasher, 30MBs or so in size Aug 11 22:04:34 yep, brilliant idea Aug 11 22:04:42 and you're saying I should do this from a linux machine? Aug 11 22:04:44 DSL or somesuch Aug 11 22:04:54 yep, just take out X Aug 11 22:05:01 Damn Small Linux Aug 11 22:05:17 best said in a texas accent Aug 11 22:05:21 anyways Aug 11 22:05:31 sorry, but I'm pretty lost Aug 11 22:05:38 AfroMark: would be less pain for sure Aug 11 22:06:08 mhm Aug 11 22:06:19 if you got absolutely no way to get a linux machine, you can try via windows, but failure rate is much higher Aug 11 22:06:53 timeless: you told me to bug someone juhin...something (would have to scroll up)... but he/she did not turn up here? Aug 11 22:06:59 can you tell me where to look for him/her? Aug 11 22:07:10 that was about the certificate problem Aug 11 22:07:26 ive got a machine running xubuntu in my room Aug 11 22:07:38 cool Aug 11 22:07:50 just I'm not entirely sure what you're saying I should do Aug 11 22:08:00 ~flashing Aug 11 22:08:02 well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Aug 11 22:08:06 look there Aug 11 22:08:07 can you point me to a maemo wiki page or something? Aug 11 22:08:13 oh. Aug 11 22:08:19 i need to type faster =P Aug 11 22:08:19 it's actually easy if you precisely follow the steps Aug 11 22:08:21 too late, he already did Aug 11 22:08:23 :p Aug 11 22:09:18 MohammadAG51: How many new versions of musb been created? Aug 11 22:09:28 hmm? Aug 11 22:09:34 hehehe Aug 11 22:09:38 good question Aug 11 22:09:39 aha. so I shouldn't lose any files after flashing? Aug 11 22:09:54 by that I mean photos, video etc as long as it's in Mydocs? Aug 11 22:09:55 lol? Aug 11 22:09:55 you'll lose everything Aug 11 22:10:15 if you reflash the vanilla image, you'll lose your life too Aug 11 22:10:20 except a possible uSD card Aug 11 22:10:20 oh. the first paragraph of that wiki is misleading then Aug 11 22:10:23 jk, but you'll lose mydocs Aug 11 22:10:30 well Aug 11 22:10:35 if you reflash rootfs only Aug 11 22:10:41 then you only lose / Aug 11 22:10:52 hmm, not very accurate Aug 11 22:10:57 he needs full reflash vanilla and / Aug 11 22:11:13 as it seems /home is borked Aug 11 22:11:13 /usr /var /lib /etc Aug 11 22:11:28 stupid question but Aug 11 22:11:32 so he'll lose all data on device Aug 11 22:12:21 AfroMark: that's why lcuk (?) suggested to backup all data you need *now* Aug 11 22:12:49 did you try to reboot? Aug 11 22:12:49 try just flashing one part Aug 11 22:12:49 contacts/calendar etc backup are saved onto the sim card, right? Aug 11 22:12:49 the if that fails, flash both Aug 11 22:12:49 then if that fails contact nokia care again because your problem is not solved Aug 11 22:12:52 just it's a pain to have to redo all that Aug 11 22:12:53 AfroMark ^^ Aug 11 22:12:57 no Aug 11 22:13:03 you sent device to nokia care Aug 11 22:13:21 yay the closest nokia care is 122km away Aug 11 22:13:21 lost you there, lcuk Aug 11 22:13:23 at that point, you basically expect to lose it? flashing only the rootfs *may* retain it Aug 11 22:13:25 ._. Aug 11 22:13:28 wtf am i going to do? Aug 11 22:13:28 lcuk, tbh, nokia care should actually check if it's working Aug 11 22:13:31 but flashing the emmc will remove totally Aug 11 22:13:59 including all backups? Aug 11 22:14:10 home/user/MyDocs still there. mass storage might work Aug 11 22:14:35 does the nokia care also work by mail? Aug 11 22:15:02 sure kerio - they send you a package of instant repair Aug 11 22:15:03 yes I think if you take your unit to a nokia shop they will mail it for you Aug 11 22:15:11 DocScrutinizer: yay Aug 11 22:15:25 really though - is there a way i can just send them the n900? Aug 11 22:15:39 should Aug 11 22:15:46 sure thing Aug 11 22:16:49 right. I'm going to try out flashing following the wiki steps. Thanks for all your help everyone. I'll let you know how it goes. Aug 11 22:17:13 AfroMark: first of all: plug N900 to your windows system via USB cable, and see what file you might recover Aug 11 22:17:24 I can recover all of them Aug 11 22:17:28 they're all accessible Aug 11 22:17:35 handy, really Aug 11 22:17:39 so copy them *now* Aug 11 22:17:45 will do. Aug 11 22:19:17 I love how MicroB is incapable of zooming text 70% of the time. Aug 11 22:19:27 then I suggest you go for a full reflash (both image files, without booting in between), as odds are you won't recover /home by reflashing rootfs anyway Aug 11 22:20:27 AfroMark: I even suggest you flash VANILLA image first, it's more safe if something goes wrong with the "no boot" part Aug 11 22:20:45 what's VANILLA? Aug 11 22:20:55 the eMMC image Aug 11 22:20:58 ok Aug 11 22:21:07 bla-VANILLA_EMMC-bla Aug 11 22:21:13 I'm assuming it goes into detail about how to do this on the wiki Aug 11 22:21:33 yes Aug 11 22:22:14 why i can't access the right click menu in about:config in microB? Aug 11 22:23:17 because you haven't enabled the cursor mode? Aug 11 22:23:29 hm Aug 11 22:23:33 Heh Aug 11 22:23:58 nope, that didn't help Aug 11 22:24:06 Tiagotiago: you know, that swipe-from-left trick Aug 11 22:24:07 actually Aug 11 22:24:14 microb is kinda retarded Aug 11 22:24:20 it allows right clicks with a mouse Aug 11 22:24:24 yep, no right click even with that Aug 11 22:24:29 see scratchbox emu or x11vnc Aug 11 22:24:35 I managed to do that Aug 11 22:24:38 or a bt mouse, w/e Aug 11 22:24:40 in about:config Aug 11 22:24:43 neither with using VNC to connect to the device from a WinXP box Aug 11 22:24:55 hmm, idk then Aug 11 22:24:59 Leace this stupid thing on for m9re than a day and it's unusable Aug 11 22:25:07 but right clicking works in the address bar Aug 11 22:25:11 Weee 100% key repeat bug. Aug 11 22:25:13 when on scratchbox Aug 11 22:25:22 right click works fine on regular pages, but not on about:config Aug 11 22:25:36 CPU load + long keypress = sucks Aug 11 22:25:36 Well, I'd better be off. Thanks again all for the help! I'll be back if anything goes wrong. Aug 11 22:25:42 Tiagotiago: WFM Aug 11 22:25:50 oh you'll be back, i assure you :P Aug 11 22:25:58 It's Linux turned into Windows 98 Aug 11 22:26:02 that does WFM stands for? Aug 11 22:26:02 Good job, Nokia! Aug 11 22:26:08 /reboots Aug 11 22:26:12 WorksForMe Aug 11 22:26:13 ~WFM Aug 11 22:26:14 somebody said wfm was (Wired For Management Baseline) This is an Intel hardware specification that is designed to allow for compliance with easier management of desktop PCs in a networked environment. The specification calls for computers to be compatible with a pre-boot protocol that can be used to update the system or perform other management options. Also, the computer must be compatible with network/desktop management applications.. Works For Me Aug 11 22:26:29 ~wtf wfm Aug 11 22:26:31 WFM: works for me Aug 11 22:26:36 oh Aug 11 22:26:36 is shorter Aug 11 22:26:39 ~wtf wtf Aug 11 22:26:40 WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck Aug 11 22:26:50 cool Aug 11 22:26:52 ~wtf rofl Aug 11 22:26:54 ROFL: rolling on floor laughing Aug 11 22:27:00 hmm Aug 11 22:27:06 actually nope, there's no context menu Aug 11 22:27:06 * MohammadAG51 goes to the extremes Aug 11 22:27:10 ~wtf roflmao Aug 11 22:27:11 what for? Aug 11 22:27:11 ROFLMAO: rolling on floor laughing my ass off Aug 11 22:27:17 smartass eh? Aug 11 22:27:21 ~wtf roflmaowpimp Aug 11 22:27:24 Gee... I don't know what roflmaowpimp means... Aug 11 22:27:26 ha! Aug 11 22:27:29 take that Aug 11 22:27:37 * MohammadAG51 thinks he needs to sleep Aug 11 22:27:42 ~tell MohammadAG51 about query Aug 11 22:27:56 ~botsnack Aug 11 22:27:57 :), MohammadAG51 Aug 11 22:28:03 xD DocScrutinizer Aug 11 22:28:06 satmd: bugzilla Aug 11 22:28:31 There, that should be better for about 8 hours. Aug 11 22:28:47 docscrutinizer wants you to know: talk dirty to me! LOL Aug 11 22:29:21 Tiagotiago: doubleclick on about:config does anything I need there Aug 11 22:29:55 DocScrutinizer, i think there's a reset to default option Aug 11 22:29:57 does that just bring the edit value dialog (or toggle boolean values) ? Aug 11 22:30:06 yep Aug 11 22:30:26 use the enter key for that Aug 11 22:30:28 that doesn't help if you don't know the default value Aug 11 22:30:29 if clicking fails Aug 11 22:31:32 ok Aug 11 22:31:48 * DocScrutinizer burps and ponders maybe microb doesn't know as well what's the default value :-P Aug 11 22:32:01 it does Aug 11 22:32:12 in gecko you'd normally right click and select reset Aug 11 22:32:15 timeless_mbp: :-D Aug 11 22:32:19 enlighten us Aug 11 22:32:20 with Firefox on my desktop right clicking on a settign in about:config shows a menu with among other things the option to reset the value of the setting to default Aug 11 22:32:33 you can try adding a user.js file which specifies the default value Aug 11 22:32:37 and then restart gecko Aug 11 22:32:39 where is it taking the custom value to replace after i delete prefs.js? Aug 11 22:32:55 it says the value is user defined, bold and stuff Aug 11 22:34:13 hmm, for booleans it's probably easy to figure which was default. For ints maybe. For filenames etc it might get a lil tad time consuming :-P Aug 11 22:34:54 Tiagotiago: which pref? Aug 11 22:35:08 if it's one of the ones microb screws w/ you'll need to write an extension which rescrews them Aug 11 22:35:19 lol Aug 11 22:35:24 hahaha Aug 11 22:35:38 or you simply reinstall the shit Aug 11 22:36:21 what does it say on yours for general.useragent.vendor? Aug 11 22:36:30 on your N900* Aug 11 22:36:32 tell me which file you need and I'll post it to you Aug 11 22:37:17 i don't know where it is stored since even if i delete prefs.js the custom value is restored next time i fire upmicroB Aug 11 22:37:28 Tiagotiago: that's microb Aug 11 22:37:29 NONDEFAULT de_DE Aug 11 22:37:32 just write an extension Aug 11 22:37:49 i don't have the knowledge required for doing that yet Aug 11 22:38:02 and i don't expect i'll manage to get it any time soon Aug 11 22:38:10 err vendor Aug 11 22:38:10 it's pretty simple Aug 11 22:38:36 a basic extension which listens to some profile notification Aug 11 22:38:45 it looks like it is where the user agent string is stored, the text there matches what sites report as my user string Aug 11 22:38:47 and uses the pref service to set the pref to the value you want Aug 11 22:38:50 or reset the pref Aug 11 22:38:54 NONDEFAULT Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser 1.7.4.8 RX-51 N900 Aug 11 22:39:13 btw, did you try using the override pref? Aug 11 22:39:18 i don't think we set it Aug 11 22:39:26 which means you should be able to just set that Aug 11 22:39:27 timeless_mbp: yeah, soooo simple (I wouldn't even know where to start) Aug 11 22:39:32 yeah, didn't help Aug 11 22:39:35 ? Aug 11 22:39:40 didn't help how? Aug 11 22:40:53 general.useragent.override Aug 11 22:41:00 it isn't set Aug 11 22:41:06 there's no way we're stupid enough to step on that Aug 11 22:41:07 some sites keep refreshing :/ Aug 11 22:41:20 if you set it, that's the thing that will go out over the wire Aug 11 22:41:30 no need to mess with general.useragent.vendor Aug 11 22:41:38 which really is perfectly reasonable as a microb bit Aug 11 22:41:58 nonoes!! timeless_mbp, he installed FF or somesuch interfering app Aug 11 22:42:06 ????? Aug 11 22:42:12 what the heck? Aug 11 22:42:20 ? Aug 11 22:42:25 check irclogs of yesterday Aug 11 22:42:39 Tiagotiago: wasn't that you? Aug 11 22:42:43 ceweasel that came with EasyDeb? Aug 11 22:42:47 Iceweasel* Aug 11 22:43:35 somebody (not me) told you this is the cause of your reloading pages most likely Aug 11 22:43:58 i wouldn't expect them to write on each other's folders Aug 11 22:44:06 dunno if timeless_mbp has some better comment on it Aug 11 22:44:12 which easy debian doesn't do Aug 11 22:44:25 easy debian is _in_a_chroot_ Aug 11 22:44:35 It doesn't screw with the system at all. Aug 11 22:44:39 microb's profile is ~/.mozilla/microb or something Aug 11 22:44:44 fennec should not be using that Aug 11 22:44:44 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Aug 11 22:44:56 Iceweasel has it's own folder there Aug 11 22:44:56 nor should firefox or iceweasel Aug 11 22:44:58 iceweasel can't use that Aug 11 22:45:01 i'm not sure what your problem is Aug 11 22:45:07 but i don't really want to care right now Aug 11 22:45:30 a) easy_deb was never mentioned yesterday, b) I don't have the slightest idea Aug 11 22:45:33 then it's not chrooted? i didn't find Iceweasel to uninstall, and i have the impression it only showed up among other apps after i installed eAsyDeb Aug 11 22:45:45 EasyDeb* Aug 11 22:45:53 it's 1:45am and i'm watching tv :) Aug 11 22:46:44 mhm, actually a good idea Aug 11 22:50:18 perseides probably even better than TV Aug 11 22:51:00 SpeedEvil: did some photos? Aug 11 22:51:08 DocScrutinizer: a bit cloudy Aug 11 22:51:14 http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100811/01343110578.shtml - insanity. Aug 11 22:51:25 Pre-suing people for acts that haven't happened yet. Aug 11 22:51:44 I'll head out and check what's the weather here.. Aug 11 22:51:47 bbl Aug 11 22:51:55 heh, minority report Aug 11 22:53:07 :) Aug 11 22:53:14 Doubleplusgood! Aug 11 22:53:40 SpeedEvil: i'd like to go there, claim to be one of those john doe, and ask for instant dismissal plus legal expenses for lack of evidence Aug 11 22:55:33 it's worse than minority report, they don't even know who actually is even interested in committing the crime in the future Aug 11 22:56:06 what happens if less than the sued people actually watch the concert? Aug 11 22:56:34 I also wonder what happens to the 101th infringer. Aug 11 22:57:26 he gets to go home free? Aug 11 22:57:35 Tiagotiago: it's clever Aug 11 22:57:39 and seems to be working Aug 11 22:57:52 kerio: no Aug 11 22:57:58 you amend the claim later Aug 11 22:58:09 meh, clouds Aug 11 23:00:12 I wish the display would go another factor of a thousand dimmer Aug 11 23:00:56 oh, it doesn't? Aug 11 23:01:03 i wish my usb port worked properly :( Aug 11 23:01:07 that *is* a bad thing Aug 11 23:03:22 until it's broken completely, you can prove by the kind of damage whether it's due to mistreatment/excessive force, or it's a production bug Aug 11 23:04:04 FWIW, Gentoo-N900's fremantle-sources now has a USE flag to pre-patch fcam into the kernel itself :D Aug 11 23:04:17 when you tear it off completely then by any POV you caused it to come off and Nokia won't fix for free Aug 11 23:06:19 that's why i'm not using it atm Aug 11 23:06:28 but i really don't know how am i going to get it to nokia Aug 11 23:07:49 send a package? Aug 11 23:08:23 with ensurance. Get a RMA from your care center you send it to Aug 11 23:10:35 if i have to wait a month i can just wait until i get back home and go to a nokia care there Aug 11 23:14:15 i don't want to wait a month :'( Aug 11 23:14:28 do bl-5j standalone chargers exist? Aug 11 23:14:32 i could cope with that Aug 11 23:15:25 yes, not by nokia but yes Aug 11 23:15:34 got mine for $1.5 shipped Aug 11 23:15:39 since i have 3 batts Aug 11 23:15:43 are they safe? Aug 11 23:15:52 the way i see it, yes Aug 11 23:16:04 "the battery won't explode in my pocket"? Aug 11 23:16:08 mine seems to stop charging when the battery is full Aug 11 23:16:23 err, it's a charger, not a battery Aug 11 23:16:33 it charges *batteries* Aug 11 23:16:34 :) Aug 11 23:17:01 what's the difference? Aug 11 23:17:06 * kthomas_vh waits to be smacked Aug 11 23:17:22 ~smack kthomas_vh Aug 11 23:17:23 * infobot smacks kthomas_vh upside the head. Aug 11 23:17:46 thank you infobot Aug 11 23:17:46 no worries, kthomas_vh Aug 11 23:17:49 may I have another Aug 11 23:17:50 ? Aug 11 23:18:13 kerio, well, chances are it'll explode on the charger, not in your pocket Aug 11 23:18:19 MohammadAG51: yeah Aug 11 23:18:21 which is good Aug 11 23:18:24 yep Aug 11 23:18:27 as opposed to the alternative Aug 11 23:18:33 30 days? meh Aug 11 23:18:46 solder a port onto it Aug 11 23:19:30 nah, i'd rather wait for the solution that gives me a hopefully brand new n900 Aug 11 23:19:32 :D Aug 11 23:19:39 are bl5js common? Aug 11 23:19:52 even wehn i delete the line about custom user agent string and make prefs.js readmonly microB sitll loads a custom value for general useragent.vendor , what is going on? Aug 11 23:20:11 Tiagotiago: microb is... "special" Aug 11 23:20:35 lol Aug 11 23:24:36 MohammadAG51: are the batteries you use nokia original batteries? Aug 11 23:24:54 yeah, BL-5Js Aug 11 23:25:22 from Nokia of course, not the retarded 7000mAh ones on ebay Aug 11 23:29:46 i'd buy a mugen battery if they didn't look horrendously hideous Aug 11 23:30:38 hm, crap, seems microB won't uninstall extensions, i even tried deleting the folders inside the profile and they still come back next time i load microB Aug 11 23:37:41 ok, ordered battery + external charger Aug 11 23:37:48 it's still 5 days i have to live without charging Aug 11 23:37:57 in a place with bad coverage Aug 11 23:38:00 ;'( Aug 11 23:38:31 I wonder how much QML will be in MeeGo/Harmattan ... Aug 11 23:45:29 Tomorrow,my mission is to add QML into my mixed Qt and GLES code. Aug 11 23:47:40 why microB keeps undoing stuff when i try to uninstall extensoins? Aug 11 23:47:51 I mean, besides the programmers screwing up Aug 11 23:48:31 umm, what extensions Aug 11 23:49:33 User Agent Switcher ( i thought i had uninstalled it ages ago) and pt-br dictionary, i even tried delting their folders in the extensions folder inside the microB profile folder Aug 11 23:50:36 rm -rf ~/.mozilla? Aug 11 23:51:11 there are other folders there besides microB's Aug 11 23:51:24 do you care about them? Aug 11 23:54:02 i woudl rather not go deleting things unecessarilly Aug 11 23:54:40 there, deleted the microB folder itself, it was recereated and the exnteions still listed when i opened microB again Aug 11 23:55:29 :( Aug 11 23:55:58 thigns with a ~in the beggining are links, right? Aug 11 23:56:39 ~ is your home Aug 11 23:56:45 and the infobot command prefix Aug 11 23:56:47 ~botsnack Aug 11 23:56:47 kerio: aw, gee Aug 11 23:56:53 there there Aug 11 23:57:07 eems the exnteion folders are being symlinked automaticly from another palce Aug 11 23:57:39 ls -l Aug 11 23:57:45 usr/lib/browser/extensions Aug 11 23:57:45 * MohammadAG suggests reflashing Aug 12 00:02:32 ~factinfo ~ Aug 12 00:02:33 there's no such factoid as ~, DocScrutinizer Aug 12 00:03:58 there, deleted the targets of the links, lets see if that fix it Aug 12 00:05:57 deleting that and extensions.* in the profile seems to have done it Aug 12 00:17:33 at least the part about removing the extensions Aug 12 00:27:42 I'd suggest a >>apt-get install $(apt-cache search microb|grep " - "|cut -f 1 -d " ") --purge --reinstall Aug 12 00:32:14 as root? Aug 12 00:33:27 * MohammadAG51 wonders why dreamremote isn't working Aug 12 00:34:02 apt-get install = needs to lock a dir + unpack to dirs, such as /usr, so yeah, as root Aug 12 00:34:14 ok Aug 12 00:35:35 not tested! only if you know what you're doing (won't probably work ootb anyway) Aug 12 00:37:07 MohammadAG51: maybe your dreams are detuned Aug 12 00:38:27 TiagoTiago: anyway appending a -s won't hurt for first testrun Aug 12 00:41:05 MohammadAG51, maybe too old firmware? Aug 12 00:46:36 it said, among other things, this: http://pastebin.com/TZsB9XzL Aug 12 00:48:23 do i need to do anything about it? Aug 12 01:01:06 doesn't seem like anything has changed :/ Aug 12 01:43:04 my N900's been off AC for 11 hours-- down to 40% battery left Aug 12 01:43:12 man, R&D mode really really kills battery life XD Aug 12 01:56:29 * SpeedEvil sighs at fucking web designers. Aug 12 01:57:04 100K - of html - to show a simple list of 20 products. Aug 12 01:57:29 Dreamboxes rock! Aug 12 01:57:45 I can mute a sucky TV show w/o anyone noticing how I did Aug 12 01:57:50 <3 web interfaces Aug 12 01:58:43 'this thing doesn't work' Aug 12 01:58:54 'I know, for his birthday, we'll install a tivo' Aug 12 02:01:00 DocScrutinizer, ping? Aug 12 02:01:41 Been playing around with LEDs on Ubuntu, it's (very) low quality, but that's understandable since I downscaled it from 15MBs to 1, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PysqcYAQtto Aug 12 02:02:30 running the script twice is kinda fun xD Aug 12 02:02:31 pong Aug 12 02:02:58 damnit Aug 12 02:03:01 my power went out Aug 12 02:03:15 and it's like 100 degrees and humid Aug 12 02:03:16 DocScrutinizer51, link above Aug 12 02:03:20 NO AC! AHHHH!! Aug 12 02:03:35 * Macer opens the ac app on his n900 Aug 12 02:04:27 Macer: I have a solution for you! Aug 12 02:04:33 Macer: you can come and live in my shed. Aug 12 02:04:35 a backup generator :( Aug 12 02:04:38 It's pleasantly cool. Aug 12 02:04:40 i'm going to buy one soon Aug 12 02:04:44 power outages SUCK Aug 12 02:04:58 especially days like this where it is like 99% humidity Aug 12 02:04:59 Macer: And I think I've killed all of the rats Aug 12 02:05:06 agreed, especially with a laptop like mine Aug 12 02:05:09 haha Aug 12 02:05:16 11 minute battery life Aug 12 02:05:20 from 100 to cold dead Aug 12 02:05:21 well. if the power doesn't turn on soon my fridge will spoil Aug 12 02:05:29 but i'm sure the freezer can keep in the cool for quite a while Aug 12 02:05:40 4h Aug 12 02:05:42 or 8h Aug 12 02:05:51 power was down for 7h last week Aug 12 02:06:02 MohammadAG: yeah. we had one like that last month Aug 12 02:06:10 summertime :) too many air conditioners Aug 12 02:06:20 then again they probably shut it off on purpose to do stupid crap Aug 12 02:06:28 and say it was a problem with this or that Aug 12 02:06:30 I've overclocked my fridge. Aug 12 02:06:37 yeah, like charging an N900 or sth Aug 12 02:06:41 (well, I removed the baffle that normally insulates it) Aug 12 02:06:45 my ups isn't going to last much longer even with the main fileserver down Aug 12 02:06:48 It's now at -15C, not 4. Aug 12 02:06:55 And I'm using it as another freezer. Aug 12 02:06:56 i probably have like 45 mins left with this low power stuff on it Aug 12 02:07:30 the baffle that insulates it? Aug 12 02:07:41 don't you want more insulation in a freezer? :) Aug 12 02:07:55 Macer: Ideally. I've got some pressed against the sides. Aug 12 02:08:12 is it like some hard core industrial insulation? :) Aug 12 02:08:21 Macer: it's a fridge/freezer. It's got a tiny freezer compartmnet at the top, and a larger compartment at teh bottom Aug 12 02:08:44 i'm waiting for my ups to flatline :) Aug 12 02:08:49 the beeps are getting closer Aug 12 02:09:03 These are seperated by a barrier normally which when the freezer part is at the correct temperature allows enough heat to leak up from the fridge to keep the fridge at the correct temp. Aug 12 02:09:11 REmove the barrier, and it gets a lot colder. Aug 12 02:09:44 I have maybe 6h of uptime on UPS, and can swap to battery bank + inverter for another 48 or so. Aug 12 02:10:00 Then I'd need to fix the generator. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 02:59:57 2010