**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 02:59:57 2010 Aug 12 03:39:18 hello Aug 12 03:39:35 need helper here... Aug 12 03:40:08 ask your question , dont ask to ask Aug 12 03:40:10 just ask Aug 12 03:40:39 how to use fm tran widget? Aug 12 03:42:10 have you checked the wiki/forums/google? Aug 12 03:43:43 forum yeap but -ve Aug 12 03:51:53 one last thing before i go sleep, i think i figured out how to solve my issue, the mozilla folder can't be hidden, can't have a dot int he beginning of the name, just a fucking dot was causing all this mess, just get rid of the dot and you're done, it's that simple!!! :D Aug 12 03:53:21 anywaygotta go sleep, cya Aug 12 03:58:48 hhmmm.. Aug 12 05:18:59 general question: how stupid is it to think that formatting a flash drive to udf is a good idea because then windows, linux, osx all can read/write without 3rd party drivers? Aug 12 05:22:35 ieatlint: and they can't with vfat? Aug 12 05:23:14 they can, but fat32 has a 4gb filesize limit Aug 12 05:23:20 and that is a problem Aug 12 07:17:55 morning **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 07:18:02 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 07:24:15 2010 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 07:26:10 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 07:28:14 2010 Aug 12 07:32:16 oooh a new user posted his first talk post. in a whine on nokia thread, AND (and here's the kicker) It was a good post! omg! Aug 12 07:33:37 url? Aug 12 07:33:53 81.22.246.6 Aug 12 07:33:55 erm.. Aug 12 07:33:56 no Aug 12 07:33:59 LOL Aug 12 07:34:07 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=783671&postcount=15 Aug 12 07:34:08 hehe Aug 12 07:35:11 SwedeMike: was it you? Aug 12 07:35:17 no. Aug 12 07:35:24 ok. Another mike then :) Aug 12 07:35:47 mece: Is it all the Council's fault? Aug 12 07:36:10 mece: Ooh, good first post. Aug 12 07:36:36 Jaffa, I don't know, all I saw was Whine Whine whine, sarcasm, ACTUAL QUESTION, whine, sarcasm Aug 12 07:38:52 Jaffa: yes, everything's always the Council's fault Aug 12 07:39:04 Jaffa: btw, how are the elections coming along? You should start campaigning Aug 12 07:40:10 well, council is doing fuck all to my experience Aug 12 07:40:10 no Aug 12 07:40:14 and just cover their ass Aug 12 07:40:14 the Council is infallible Aug 12 07:40:27 stick it to the man Aug 12 07:40:30 they are like a nokia bitches Aug 12 07:40:32 and women Aug 12 07:40:35 lol Aug 12 07:40:42 jacekowski: yeah, like GAN never criticised Nokia, eh? Aug 12 07:41:08 crashanddie, thats ALL GAN does now Aug 12 07:41:14 LOL Aug 12 07:41:22 well, i still remember chromium issue Aug 12 07:41:23 put me on the council Aug 12 07:41:26 I won't know wtf to do Aug 12 07:41:28 lol Aug 12 07:41:30 Loving QML, Aug 12 07:41:38 and all council did was just said how bad red bend is Aug 12 07:41:39 QML FTFW! Aug 12 07:41:43 and we should listen to nokia Aug 12 07:41:46 why is there even a Maemo Council when Maemo is dead anyhow? Aug 12 07:42:05 to organize the zombie horde Aug 12 07:42:10 maemo is not dead, it's just resting Aug 12 07:42:17 Want to see what I can do with Qt, QML & OpenGL ES 2 Aug 12 07:42:17 luke-jr, its like the executors of an estate Aug 12 07:42:19 :P Aug 12 07:42:20 rest in piece Aug 12 07:42:20 ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE! RUUUUNNN!! Aug 12 07:42:22 s Aug 12 07:42:30 TermanaN900: except Council has no authority… Aug 12 07:42:31 alterego, simple minds think alike :D Aug 12 07:42:47 if council has authority… srsly elect me so I can free gpsdriver and BME Aug 12 07:42:52 wtf, now this room turned into a whine thread. Aug 12 07:42:56 luke-jr, well no, but i just meant the dead part really :P Aug 12 07:43:03 mece: you're mixing media too? :) Aug 12 07:43:18 luke-jr: watching bme code will melt your brain Aug 12 07:43:23 mece: I didn't know IRC supported threading! Aug 12 07:43:36 jacekowski: I just want to compile it with -O9! Aug 12 07:43:39 jacekowski: Err, on Chromium I remember repeatedly sending you emails asking if such-and-such an action on the code was feasible; or asking if you wanted us to help talk to Red Bend with you. You didn't answer or reply at all. Aug 12 07:43:46 IRX is pipes and filters :) Aug 12 07:43:59 jacekowski, having to USE it will melt your brain Aug 12 07:44:08 alterego, well no, but I also "Want to see what I can do with Qt, QML & OpenGL ES 2" Aug 12 07:44:09 :D Aug 12 07:44:23 Ah, cool Aug 12 07:44:36 luke-jr: It's a Maemo *Community* council. Go read the fucking thread, and take jacekowski with you to actually learn something before mouthing off. Aug 12 07:44:46 alterego, I watched the demo on the trollblog and was amazed. Aug 12 07:44:54 Jaffa: you take life too seriously. srsly. Aug 12 07:45:26 maybe you need to join #luke-jrIsAnAsshat Aug 12 07:45:27 Isn't chromium in the repos anyway? Aug 12 07:45:31 luke-jr: No, I just reached the end of my tether. Aug 12 07:45:37 mece: it's in my repo Aug 12 07:45:43 teh drama? Aug 12 07:45:45 jacekowski, oh. Aug 12 07:45:51 I like how smooth QML feels on the device. Aug 12 07:46:01 alterego, what have you done? Aug 12 07:46:01 Jaffa: I have no clue what we're talking about, just saying random things that sound interesting Aug 12 07:46:03 and some people are just too stupid Aug 12 07:46:12 that's e-mail i've recieved recently Aug 12 07:46:18 can you please help me install chrome on my N900. Aug 12 07:46:18 I am not able to locate the libxss on the link provided. Aug 12 07:46:38 o wells Aug 12 07:46:39 night Aug 12 07:47:05 jacekowski, wot? I just clicked the thing and it installed. Go figure. Aug 12 07:47:05 mece: Well, I've got OpenGL and Qt playing nice. I'm just looking into QML now, how I can interface with it from C++ and vice versa. Aug 12 07:47:22 mece: well, some people have problem Aug 12 07:47:32 Making custom QML widgets and also linking up application code dynamically. Aug 12 07:47:58 http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/Chromium#comments Aug 12 07:47:59 ehh Aug 12 07:48:03 alterego, sounds complicated. I just wanna do everything in QML, since it's easy. Aug 12 07:48:24 mece: No, Nokia received a C&D from Red Bend. http://maemo.org/community/council/chromium-removed_from_maemo-org_repositories/ jacekowski, as package maintainer, and the council were informed and told what Nokia Legal would do. We agreed to take it down as a gesture of good faith so that we could start discussions about uploading a version without courgette and whether jacekowski was interested in us talking to Red Bend to see if that would be sufficient (i.e Aug 12 07:48:45 mece: I was thinking of having my ui specified in QML, then C++ binds the application logic to the QML elements through element ids'. Aug 12 07:48:55 So, you can understand I'm a bit pissed off that the packager in that instance claims we're covering our asses and shills for Nokia. Aug 12 07:48:58 i did upload version without courgette Aug 12 07:49:03 and it was removed **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 08:22:14 2010 Aug 12 08:22:32 have you tried installing gimp or open office? Aug 12 08:22:43 ok, let's end this discussion right here, guys Aug 12 08:22:43 Yes, I actually have both installed Aug 12 08:22:51 -bin? Aug 12 08:23:03 of OOo, but not for gimp Aug 12 08:23:34 but that is because OOos build process is borked and cannot be multithreaded due do bad build scripts from Oracle(former Sun) Aug 12 08:24:04 gimp took about 11 mins to build on an Core2 Duo SU7300 Aug 12 08:24:29 lejonet: last warning before you're quieted, I don't care about it, nor does the channel Aug 12 08:24:30 Well like I said before, I might be missing an USB module, i'll check my kernel Aug 12 08:24:48 waspy today Aug 12 08:24:59 He asked, but I see your point, my apologize Aug 12 08:25:20 it's just that the whole gentoo debate team has been round here plenty of times, and I'm tired of the flaming and burns it causes Aug 12 08:25:29 ooh? Aug 12 08:25:43 lejonet: I could also ask you to quote last 80 pages of the bible, not sure you'd do it, right? Aug 12 08:25:52 hello.. could anyone help me to mount ftp destination on N900 ? Aug 12 08:25:58 so "he asked" really is about as strong an argument for blaming someone else as "he started" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 08:26:17 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 08:28:15 2010 Aug 12 08:29:58 i wonder if i'm still banned on #paludis Aug 12 08:30:55 why did you get banned there? (I dont use it anyway :P) Aug 12 08:31:24 about 4 years ago Aug 12 08:31:30 when paludis was new and barely worked Aug 12 08:31:38 i joined that channel Aug 12 08:31:40 according to some it still barely works :P Aug 12 08:31:57 and said hi, and asked when paludis would be usable Aug 12 08:32:06 that was all Aug 12 08:32:30 Well yeah, I have heard horror stories about the paludis devs :P Does not surprise me Aug 12 08:32:31 \ Aug 12 08:32:31 \ Aug 12 08:32:31 \ Aug 12 08:32:32 \ Aug 12 08:32:35 sorry Aug 12 08:32:38 cleaning keyboard Aug 12 08:32:43 crashanddie: now kick yourself Aug 12 08:33:08 lejonet: at the time it was only one dev Aug 12 08:33:21 Aug 12 08:33:33 and well, i was using gentoo at 1.6Ghz amd Aug 12 08:33:35 jacekowski: ouchies :P Aug 12 08:33:50 but then my motherboard died Aug 12 08:34:03 and other mobo had problems with that cpu Aug 12 08:34:12 so i had to use 850MHz duron Aug 12 08:34:26 haha that is a huge bummer Aug 12 08:34:28 and i still remember 30h build of open office Aug 12 08:34:56 Well like they say in gentoo-chat, no one with their sanity actually compiles OOo, unless they got an monster machine :P Aug 12 08:35:14 or 10 minues of calculating dependencies for emerge -avDN world Aug 12 08:35:26 hmm, n should be lowercase Aug 12 08:35:32 no Aug 12 08:35:36 nope Aug 12 08:35:50 -DuvaN Aug 12 08:35:56 for upgrading Aug 12 08:36:11 Should still be less, unless your HDD was a pos Aug 12 08:36:24 Ford_Prefect: 4 years ago portage was slow Aug 12 08:36:26 Or your metadata cache was completely b0rked Aug 12 08:36:51 well, it's still slow, but 4 years ago it was worse Aug 12 08:36:58 esspecialy with coupld overlays Aug 12 08:37:02 loads of packages installed Aug 12 08:37:02 jacekowski: I was using it 4 years ago too, on a PIII running at 550 Mhz :) Aug 12 08:37:24 jacekowski: found the missing link, it was an kernel module missing :P Aug 12 08:37:33 * crashanddie wonders whether #maemo isn't obvious enough as a channel name Aug 12 08:37:35 USB gadget driver lol :P Aug 12 08:37:55 * crashanddie renames #maemo to #gentoo-offtopic for the time being Aug 12 08:38:21 Nah, it would have to be #maemo-offtopic. We're completely on-topic for a Gentoo channel :p Aug 12 08:38:31 * Ford_Prefect cuts it out Aug 12 08:39:59 crashanddie: My sincere apologies, I did not mean to create an gentoo discussion, but I have now found what was causing my N900 to not be found Aug 12 08:41:18 the wiki is editable by registred users right? I might add that you need to make sure you have that module unless you use an distro that have most stuff in the kernel as modules like Arch, Puppy and Ubuntu Aug 12 08:42:21 moo all Aug 12 08:42:35 lejonet: how do you not find your n900? Aug 12 08:42:39 isn't it in your pocket? Aug 12 08:43:07 timeless_mbp: not atm, its on the table :P But my computer wasnt aware of that :P it was happily unaware Aug 12 08:43:41 lejonet: it's editable by all Aug 12 08:43:58 is there any useful personal wiki for maemo available? Aug 12 08:44:35 jacekowski: i'll just add it then Aug 12 08:50:26 win: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10940342 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 09:08:57 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 13:58:16 2010 Aug 12 13:58:21 It's just not cured with a nice cure. Aug 12 13:58:50 i just go into the forrest and find a wild boar Aug 12 13:58:59 Hmm Aug 12 13:59:04 cut up and left to cure in my smoking shed for a few months Aug 12 13:59:09 Bacon across international borders is weird. Aug 12 13:59:22 canadian bacon is like drian ham Aug 12 13:59:23 its yuck Aug 12 14:00:14 dried Aug 12 14:02:34 <[DarkGUNMAN]> give me uk bacon straight from the local butchers anyday :) Aug 12 14:02:53 ++ Aug 12 14:03:07 how do I partition my sdcard without touching the first partition on device? (sfdisk, or is there anything else available?) Aug 12 14:03:58 cfsdisk is available on some repo Aug 12 14:04:03 I found it more friendly Aug 12 14:04:31 hmmm ... who should I bother with opening new projects on bugzilla ? niels or andre ? Aug 12 14:04:38 Also - most SD cards would be full. Aug 12 14:04:51 No vacant space, so you can't add partitions. Aug 12 14:05:54 SpeedEvil: devel I guess... Aug 12 14:05:56 achipa, http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Adding_Extra_products Aug 12 14:06:56 andre__: yes, that is the page I somehow managed to miss in the search results. thanks Aug 12 14:07:28 SpeedEvil: well I dont want to move all the stuff around... Aug 12 14:07:42 Why are all of these new people following me on twitter. . . . Aug 12 14:07:47 I don't tweet. Aug 12 14:07:51 They are stalkers Aug 12 14:07:51 chem|st: you mean you want to repartition the internal 32G? Aug 12 14:07:58 Clearly Aug 12 14:08:19 And they think you are Samantha Fox Aug 12 14:09:20 SpeedEvil: nope I try to get meego on the sd and partittion it afterwards for nitdroid and fat Aug 12 14:16:02 ok now my first partition is the size of my previous fat... darn Aug 12 14:21:58 pigeon, I just ordered one too :) from the EU site **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 14:26:17 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 14:38:15 2010 Aug 12 14:38:16 Ah, the Cabal Aug 12 14:38:57 Evil conspiracy by the council members to hide Flash 10.x from the N900 users. Aug 12 14:40:52 UK bacon, bah. Andaluz Cerano bacon! Yummy Aug 12 14:41:24 wait, maybe that's ham? Aug 12 14:41:40 Whois is Andaluz Cerano? Is he legal to eat? =) Aug 12 14:41:45 ok other way round... I try to dd the meego.raw directly at the end fingers crossed Aug 12 14:42:05 Andalucia is a region in south Spain Aug 12 14:42:14 carno is the name of the bacon Aug 12 14:42:22 cerano even Aug 12 14:43:00 oh Aug 12 14:43:33 GAN900: LOL Aug 12 14:43:50 RST38h: what ever you like, thats from spain as DocScrutinizer said, the 3 top notches in europe are spain italy and south-west germany Aug 12 14:43:52 GAN900: got your asbestos underwear today? Aug 12 14:44:50 poor scandinavians do not even get participate? =) Aug 12 14:44:55 s/get/get to/ Aug 12 14:44:56 RST38h meant: poor scandinavians do not even get to participate? =) Aug 12 14:45:55 GAN900: who's been the genius to post such brilliant statement? Aug 12 14:46:02 I dunno, but MY Flash 10.1 works great. Aug 12 14:46:08 DocScrutinizer, Peter. . . . Aug 12 14:46:17 DocScrutinizer, Peter. . . . Aug 12 14:46:26 ??? Aug 12 14:46:31 Why was that sent twice? Aug 12 14:46:48 arrow-up+enter - fat fingers? Aug 12 14:46:56 LOL Aug 12 14:47:12 GAN900: we know you better :-D Aug 12 14:47:41 twittering on IRC while the talk goes on :-D Aug 12 14:48:05 Somebody want to drop the MyNokia idiocy on Peter re: stonewalling? Aug 12 14:48:36 too early for tmo here Aug 12 14:49:10 need to bash 5 OC fanboys in IRC first, to get the right adrenaline level :-P Aug 12 14:49:25 DocScrutinizer: true... I need to be very tired to read 10 pages of such an idiotic thread... Aug 12 14:50:08 GAN: It is useless to drop stuff on peter. He is the PR guy, he will snake his way out. Aug 12 14:51:06 GAN: Right now, I am inclined toward solutions that in no way involve Nokia. I.e. third party repositories, Maemo5 base packages patched by non-nokians and placed there, outside distribution channels, etc Aug 12 14:51:15 internettablettalk.com too Aug 12 14:52:11 * alterego shudders, Aug 12 14:52:40 Sir Engineer is now suggesting we rename maemo.org to something else, as maemo no longer exists... Aug 12 14:53:30 Sir Engineer? The allmighty? Aug 12 14:53:45 why does t.m.o defaults to american date format? Aug 12 14:53:49 :) Aug 12 14:54:20 ma emo dot org -> u r emo dot org? Aug 12 14:54:23 jacekowski: because they couldn't find any more fsckedup format, except maybe unix jiffies, and they'd be too long Aug 12 14:54:25 Sorry :) Aug 12 14:54:54 Shouldn't that be your mom? Aug 12 14:55:11 * achipa wonders if doing X tunneling via ssh to start vmware which runs a virtual machine hosting scratchbox is the right way to develop software for Maemo Aug 12 14:55:58 achipa: been there, done that :P Aug 12 14:56:40 * DocScrutinizer wonders if he can be bothered to find the URL and open up that thread once again... but nah Aug 12 14:56:54 DocScrutinizer: I can give you the URL if you like :P Aug 12 14:56:55 alterego: how many beers does it take until it becomes accetable in speed over an ADSL uplink ? Aug 12 14:57:08 I wouldn't I'm quite ashamed now of how he's made me react .. Aug 12 14:57:28 achipa: Hah, you mean how many beers per-pixel you'll have ? Aug 12 14:57:37 In the end who cares about notion of a few noobs and id.... regarding council? Aug 12 14:57:53 Yeah Aug 12 14:58:08 I'm pretty happy with those guys around my daily IRC :-D Aug 12 14:58:24 I support the council 100% Aug 12 14:58:29 ack Aug 12 14:58:33 I don't think there's any need for any reform now. Aug 12 14:58:37 btw... Aug 12 14:58:47 GAN900: news from quim? Aug 12 14:59:02 I'm quite happy that the MeeGo guy said he still wants a MeeGo council. Aug 12 14:59:16 Probably one of the 3 posts that are actually interesting in that thread. Aug 12 14:59:41 alterego: but as inconsequential as the rest of them Aug 12 14:59:43 OMFG meEgo guys on tmo - it's doomsday Aug 12 15:00:50 Heh Aug 12 15:00:55 Nokia guy on tmo Aug 12 15:01:01 The Nokia MeeGo guy Aug 12 15:01:42 it does help if you use his real nick so people understand who you mean Aug 12 15:02:16 * RST38h chants "Doomsday! Doomsday!" while getting some marshmallows Aug 12 15:02:27 hehehe Aug 12 15:03:09 will someone please maim abill_uk soon Aug 12 15:03:20 You'd think it was the end of the world Aug 12 15:03:42 mm Aug 12 15:04:17 abill_uk is an agent. You need to be Neo to maim him Aug 12 15:05:32 Stskeeps: Who let him out again, anyway? I though he has been banned? Aug 12 15:05:35 or enter red-pill-mode and simply close that browser window Aug 12 15:05:49 * RST38h misses the original itt nutcases Aug 12 15:06:01 DocScrutinizer, nothing yet. Aug 12 15:06:12 New ones are dumb and boring Aug 12 15:06:14 GAN900: as usual Aug 12 15:06:48 :) Aug 12 15:07:03 I'd give tmo a rest, but occasionally there is still a lot of interesting stuff. Aug 12 15:07:09 It's just a shame about the noise. Aug 12 15:07:17 Even reading the topics gives me a headache sometimes. Aug 12 15:07:28 DocScrutinizer, yeah. . . . Aug 12 15:07:55 Whatever the Nokia guys think, I don't think the Intel people want a council. Aug 12 15:07:57 GAN900: tell him hostmode and esp jrbme is waiting? Aug 12 15:08:36 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=783849&postcount=206 Aug 12 15:08:49 GAN900: (don't want) that's pretty obvious from general mood over there Aug 12 15:08:57 Amazingly I'm actually rather agreed with silvermountain there. Aug 12 15:09:09 * Stskeeps adds 127.0.0.1 talk.maemo.org to his /etc/hosts Aug 12 15:09:17 :D Aug 12 15:09:17 hehehe Aug 12 15:10:02 * DocScrutinizer adds 8.8.8.8 to Stskeeps' resolv.conf **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 15:18:14 2010 Aug 12 15:18:20 achipa: Nokia people never understood the Council either, IMO Aug 12 15:18:38 lcuk: This causes both well deserved butthurt to some council members *and* evil glee in some less psychologically stable members of the community Aug 12 15:18:51 I don't think a MeeGo council will be what Nokia have in mind, I think Nokia plan on maybe having a Nokia/MeeGo-Community Council Aug 12 15:19:05 Intel don't have to understand it, if Nokia are willing to be our connectivity. Aug 12 15:19:33 what's the point of having a council if they're ignored? Aug 12 15:19:43 Not to mention, the openness of what MeeGo is representing kind of makes a lot of what we see the Council for as redundant, they'll just end up being party hosts :) Aug 12 15:19:43 RST38h: that can be read the other way round, too, you know. Even with a mudslinging contest you couldn't muster more than one fourth of the people visiting to say 'wont miss' Aug 12 15:19:48 luke: and thay is exactly the topic of that thread Aug 12 15:19:52 smoke and mirrors has to be good for something, right? Aug 12 15:20:03 Gotta pacify the proles. Aug 12 15:20:12 achipa: Don't forget the people who do not even bother to vote. Aug 12 15:20:25 achipa: All these count against the council's relevancy Aug 12 15:20:50 achipa: So, no, at the end <50% is not healthy, I am afraid Aug 12 15:21:01 RST38h, for a poll? nahhh Aug 12 15:21:08 achipa: And it is not like council can do much about it, given the situation Aug 12 15:21:15 we elect entire governments on less Aug 12 15:21:17 RST38h: IMO, the problem with the council is Nokia's fault, not anyone else's Aug 12 15:21:33 RST38h: sure, but it's easier to muster support for nay than for yea Aug 12 15:21:46 lcuk: Yea, but we are smart people here, right? And we both understand that people who do not bother basically do not care Aug 12 15:21:46 i know some around have been listening to community and liaiasing and communicating about things that matter Aug 12 15:22:03 achipa: Depends :) Aug 12 15:22:06 maybe the Council should operate more like a union Aug 12 15:22:32 Personally, I would be happy if Council sorted out the Extras bottleneck, but even THAT is not going to happen Aug 12 15:22:35 I'd say that the poll is pretty favourable of the council. Aug 12 15:22:40 if enough customers give them the authority, they can make demands of Nokia at risk of losing those customers :P Aug 12 15:22:49 alterego: It is not. Really. Aug 12 15:22:52 luke-jr: is that because of the party thing ? unions around here are more into providing, you know, food, coal, sugar... Aug 12 15:23:02 alterego: The <50% number is deeply disturbing Aug 12 15:23:06 It also kind of gives us an indication of how many lusers are on the forum :P Aug 12 15:23:18 RST38h: It beats No by 100% Aug 12 15:23:21 achipa: they're supposed to negotiate deals ;) Aug 12 15:23:22 And no, calling everyone you do not agree with a loser is not gonna fix it Aug 12 15:23:45 alterego: that would be unrealistic Aug 12 15:24:04 luke-jr: are you saying the council are more like anti-terrorists? :) Aug 12 15:24:04 whereas one employee/customer cannot make demands of the management on his own, a union allows the employees/customers to team up and make such demands together Aug 12 15:24:09 alterego: But I would call anything <66% unhealthy Aug 12 15:24:53 the real question is, can the community organize a customers' union of relevant size? Aug 12 15:25:17 I think to an extent, that would require agreeing on some common goals and ideals. Aug 12 15:25:26 Yeah .. Aug 12 15:25:32 We just need to build a fence .. Aug 12 15:25:48 I *think* everyone can agree the ideal is completely open Aug 12 15:25:56 but there's bound to be disagreement on size, etc Aug 12 15:26:00 luke-jr: I don't :P Aug 12 15:26:07 alterego: you'd prefer everything closed? Aug 12 15:26:08 What Union? What the hell are you talking about? Aug 12 15:26:24 RST38h: basically giving the Council some real power Aug 12 15:26:24 How is your union going to be better than the current council? Aug 12 15:26:25 After what has happened this year, I'd prefer all the "enduser" types were somewhere else. Aug 12 15:26:44 alterego: how is that relevant to openness? Aug 12 15:26:48 That is easy to do Aug 12 15:26:57 luke-jr: freedom of speech? :) Aug 12 15:26:58 alterego: troll/idiot != enduser Aug 12 15:27:17 Told you before: either a filter-by-join-date on tmo, or, barring that, a google group with careful membership policy Aug 12 15:27:18 achipa: I know, some are extremely useful and valuable, I like my software being appreciated. Aug 12 15:27:21 etc. Aug 12 15:27:32 RST38h: filter by join date, hahah. Aug 12 15:27:35 I.e. everyone can read, only sane people can post Aug 12 15:27:36 RST38h: what? Aug 12 15:27:39 alterego: it's just that one troll/idiot can bother you more than 100 perfectly normal end-users Aug 12 15:27:51 With the list of sane people updated once every few weeks Aug 12 15:27:59 RST38h: how does controlling the community give the Council any power against Nokia? Aug 12 15:27:59 achipa: you've got a good point there, thank you for resetting my perspectivity. Aug 12 15:28:06 ~perspective .. Aug 12 15:28:08 luke: It does not Aug 12 15:28:28 luke: It simply frees me from having to read every single idiot Aug 12 15:28:52 Which is what *I* care: personal comfort Aug 12 15:29:23 Intelligent discussion forums, easy way to distribute apps, serious bug reports properly prioritized and addressed. Aug 12 15:30:06 As to you "community", "openness", or "union", I do not give a flying fuck. They are issues, I do not do issues. Aug 12 15:30:12 s/you/your Aug 12 15:32:00 * GAN900 decides not to throw MyNokia at Peter in a public forum. Aug 12 15:32:58 GAN900, I think you would need a really strong arm to throw your nokia at Peter, isn't he based in Helsinki still? Aug 12 15:33:18 Anyone know how to switch GTK on the N900 to the default style? Aug 12 15:34:03 PhonicUK: I don't think the theming works if you run the app as root .. Aug 12 15:34:14 That is, should use gtk default then .. Aug 12 15:34:37 actually, it does Aug 12 15:34:40 after I installed EasyDebian and changed the theme in there, it changed it too for everything else that uses GTK Aug 12 15:34:52 RST38h: oh well, I just remember someone complaining about it some time. Aug 12 15:34:56 Never tried myself :) Aug 12 15:36:15 Dance, its all I wanna do, so won't you dance. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 15:38:15 2010 Aug 12 15:38:50 GAN900: thoughts on giving the Council power? Aug 12 15:40:31 we'll probably send people ads for WidSets Aug 12 15:40:36 i met a guy today who showed me one such ad Aug 12 15:40:53 (in case people aren't aware, WidSets has been dead for a while, but he got the SMS based ad relatively recently) Aug 12 15:41:07 luke-jr, does Nokia management agree? Aug 12 15:41:24 I had to introduce myself to Ari twice while wearing a nametag. Aug 12 15:41:27 GAN900: I didn't mean in a way they had a choice Aug 12 15:41:40 luke-jr: power for what ? Aug 12 15:41:55 GAN900: I mean by having enough customers agree to honour Council boycotts of Nokia and such Aug 12 15:41:58 so the Council can make demands Aug 12 15:42:31 "stop this MyNokia crap or none of us will buy the next device" Aug 12 15:42:50 INBANA ! Aug 12 15:42:56 wtf is that Aug 12 15:42:59 luke-jr: but how else will we reach our target? :) Aug 12 15:43:38 … Aug 12 15:43:41 anyway, that will not solve your problem - you can obtain more power to hurt Nokia but that does imply getting what you really want Aug 12 15:44:08 achipa: it does, because they have to make products that will sell Aug 12 15:44:15 nah Aug 12 15:44:17 not a requirement Aug 12 15:44:26 nokia gives products to vendors who have to sell them Aug 12 15:44:28 if everyone has agreed not to buy it unless X, then they kinda have to do X Aug 12 15:44:45 timeless: as if vendors sell N90 Aug 12 15:44:46 N900 Aug 12 15:45:03 *facepalm* Aug 12 15:45:11 luke-jr: why would they have to ? :) that's like saying politicans should be truthful and modest because that will get them more votes. Yes. Well. Sort of. Aug 12 15:45:23 i'm told the n900 is one of verkokauppa's best selling nokia products :) Aug 12 15:45:42 there are of course better ways to do things, like leveraging the community to find ways to motivate and improve sales Aug 12 15:46:06 and finding positive aspects in things Aug 12 15:46:18 yeah, i just did ^ :) Aug 12 15:46:19 glass half empty or glass half full kinda scenario Aug 12 15:46:30 oh timeless I 100% agree Aug 12 15:46:31 luke-jr: I think the best example is Apple why this don't work Aug 12 15:46:50 you have spoken about Nokia in a positive light and wanted to improve things for as long as I have known you! Aug 12 15:47:14 you have introduced more people to speaking clearly than anyone I know Aug 12 15:47:40 :D Aug 12 15:47:43 :) Aug 12 15:48:11 luke-jr, too idealistic, I think. Aug 12 15:48:22 luke-jr, not a poor idea, really, but not realistic. Aug 12 15:55:50 Hi Aug 12 15:58:47 considering lcuk's advice, perhaps better would be to sketch up a general design of a device, then let people sign on as "I would buy this for up to $___" Aug 12 16:00:10 maybe a "No. This is why:" comment box :P Aug 12 16:00:32 nokia already doing that Aug 12 16:00:50 lcuk: I haven't seen any such polls Aug 12 16:01:19 luke-jr, because you're not a good enough customer Aug 12 16:01:31 They don't ACTUALLY want your money. Aug 12 16:01:37 http://conversations.nokia.com/design-by-community/ Aug 12 16:01:38 there was a poll series a while ago for that Aug 12 16:03:03 lcuk: interesting. I see a couple of flaws with the implementation at first glance Aug 12 16:03:15 end-users shouldn't decide 'capacitive'; they're too ignorant Aug 12 16:03:24 ah yeah, that one Aug 12 16:03:30 they should vote on things like 'multitouch', 'accuracy', 'pressure sensitive' Aug 12 16:03:33 Oh, hahah, like the tags Aug 12 16:04:04 luke-jr, seriously. Aug 12 16:04:13 GAN900: ? Aug 12 16:04:16 luke-jr: true... I wont buy an capacitive device ever! I will sit and wait for resistive multitouch Aug 12 16:04:21 "Oh, capacitive, Apple says I want that. So I want that." Aug 12 16:04:24 any... Aug 12 16:04:30 heh Aug 12 16:04:41 only 8 mpixel? O.o Aug 12 16:04:43 * GAN900 hands alterego an "I feed trolls" shirt. Aug 12 16:04:55 * luke-jr wonders if having optical zoom on a handheld is really practical Aug 12 16:05:01 luke-jr: yes. Aug 12 16:05:14 luke-jr: but you need to dedicate a reasonable case volume to it Aug 12 16:05:16 I suppose if they can make it larger.. Aug 12 16:05:27 GAN900: I don't have the post count to do tags :P Aug 12 16:05:35 * luke-jr finds his metric ruler Aug 12 16:05:58 wtf Aug 12 16:06:05 these dimensions are basically N900 Aug 12 16:06:15 and they want to add an inch to the screen? Aug 12 16:06:18 how does that work? Aug 12 16:06:31 GAN900, realistically if you want something productive, find a way to get debian packages on all those meego apps in gitorious Aug 12 16:06:40 Less bezel Aug 12 16:06:41 and find a way for community to start patching them Aug 12 16:06:53 and why the (%#$( did USB 3 get in? IIRC isn't USB 3 *not* compatible with basically anything?\ Aug 12 16:06:56 lcuk, I don't have any energy for that Aug 12 16:06:57 then we can be playing with apps from both sides Aug 12 16:07:02 Hi! What does the file /dev/mtd4 correspond to? Aug 12 16:07:14 well some folks have been having energy from other places Aug 12 16:07:23 GAN900: pardon me for not reading scrollback but what is the fuzz all about? Aug 12 16:07:25 and it's not in my area of expertise anyway Aug 12 16:07:31 cinemascope screen will fit the 4" Aug 12 16:07:34 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=783849 Aug 12 16:07:39 GAN900: ta Aug 12 16:07:41 so perhaps if you have no energy to try something constructive I can understand why the poll reults dont have energy to be positive either Aug 12 16:07:59 Weeeeeeee Aug 12 16:08:53 lcuk, there are things I'm good at and things I'm not good at, .debs and infra are not one of them. Aug 12 16:09:04 talking with the council you can do though Aug 12 16:09:20 Talking he can do. Aug 12 16:09:27 He's very good at talking :P Aug 12 16:09:30 theres a fuckload of new apps just been dropped on gitorious Aug 12 16:09:41 they arent in great shape and we cant just run them now Aug 12 16:09:49 lcuk: MeeGo? Aug 12 16:09:52 but with a concerted effort perhaps we can Aug 12 16:09:54 yes Aug 12 16:09:59 Schweet. Aug 12 16:10:05 * alterego goes to check 'em out Aug 12 16:10:10 there's reference apps to improve Aug 12 16:10:10 :P Aug 12 16:10:16 Stskeeps, yes, my point Aug 12 16:10:20 and features to be implemented Aug 12 16:10:23 Exactly, Aug 12 16:10:26 get them running in maemo Aug 12 16:10:35 and maybe just maybe there will be some more energy Aug 12 16:10:39 The best most of us can hope for is a good MeeGo base UX experience .. Aug 12 16:11:14 its fun to boot into meego once in a while or look at the videos Aug 12 16:11:24 it will be more fun to be able to cherry pick apps as they mature Aug 12 16:11:30 I doubt we'll inherit anything from Harmatten I guess is my point. Aug 12 16:11:37 and actually replace bits in small chunks Aug 12 16:11:43 (despite those discussions) Aug 12 16:12:37 and GAN900 if the council wants to be valued, they best stop talking about themselves as the outgoing, final dead end council Aug 12 16:12:47 alterego: we're actually inheriting a full desktop, lib toolkit, systemui, .. etc Aug 12 16:12:52 more of a platform we ever had in maemo5 Aug 12 16:13:36 Stskeeps: ovi store. Aug 12 16:13:38 :) Aug 12 16:13:38 GAN900, I see kisstester has finally took off, when I was discussing this in the future of maemo meeting a few months ago I was told not to bother Aug 12 16:13:43 Stskeeps: that may be, but MeeGo isn't Harmattan, we'll be using RPM's whilst Harmattan will still be on Debs Aug 12 16:13:53 ... Aug 12 16:13:56 alterego: packaging doesn't really matter. Aug 12 16:14:03 anyway, http://bugs.meego.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=3209&hide_resolved=1 Aug 12 16:14:03 * SpeedEvil does not get the package managment nazis. Aug 12 16:14:04 getting testing on the device and along with the apps themselves is something I REALLY like to see happening Aug 12 16:14:10 its one of the most positive steps in a long time Aug 12 16:14:13 It'll be interesting, because in theory the N900 will be using more up-to-date software than the successor. Aug 12 16:14:37 I need to finish off http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management Aug 12 16:14:57 Which is part of the way there to explaining why stuff uses power. Aug 12 16:15:00 SpeedEvil, I might want to discuss that with you and someone else Aug 12 16:15:01 Which has got me thinking, I probably wont bother with the next device :) Aug 12 16:15:01 Hopefully tonight. Aug 12 16:15:09 lcuk? Aug 12 16:15:13 Hell, I had to pay full whack for the N900 as I didn't have the karma. Aug 12 16:15:21 wonders why i keep disconnecting from the IRC Aug 12 16:15:24 I doubt I'll get anything this time around for cheap either :/ Aug 12 16:15:25 I paid full wack too. Aug 12 16:15:26 Well... Aug 12 16:15:39 So I think I'll just step back and enjoy the N900 as much as Ican. Aug 12 16:16:04 I paid full wack - minus the 15% accessories discount, minus the 15% nokia club discount, minus the 15% I forget what it was discount, minus 50 quid from cashback, minus 50 quid from a study on usage. Aug 12 16:16:28 so how much did you really pay ? Aug 12 16:16:40 Something like a little under half price. Aug 12 16:16:53 hmm ok Aug 12 16:17:14 But that was simply being in the right place at the right time, and risking the discount codes working. Aug 12 16:17:23 As there was no way I could afford it without them. Aug 12 16:17:33 haha , i do the exact thing .. i love to Bargain Aug 12 16:18:31 Stskeeps, I know end game is full meego Aug 12 16:18:45 but if you spot any simple mechanisms to get the meego apps running on maemo please speak up Aug 12 16:18:57 chroot Aug 12 16:19:22 SpeedEvil, not practical Aug 12 16:19:36 lcuk: libmeegotouch works.. Aug 12 16:19:36 You said simple. You diddn't say practical. Aug 12 16:19:43 yeah Stskeeps Aug 12 16:19:45 but yeah, chroot Aug 12 16:19:52 theres some other deps which are being sorted atm **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 16:44:15 2010 Aug 12 16:44:16 its nothing major, just someone was asking me the sorts of questions I know you guys have been answering and thought it would be better to have a proper get together about it and see if we can get some docs tooling processes fixed up better Aug 12 16:44:30 trumee: yes Aug 12 16:44:50 SpeedEvil: so it can take both sdhc and micro sdhc? Aug 12 16:45:01 trumee: No - it can only take micro. Aug 12 16:45:02 SpeedEvil: http://www.play.com//ProductOutline.aspx?title=4949676&r=ELEC Aug 12 16:45:17 SpeedEvil: will the above work, i have bought this. Aug 12 16:45:33 SpeedEvil: seems it is only a sdhc card Aug 12 16:45:49 No. Aug 12 16:45:58 It's physically about 10* too large. Aug 12 16:46:09 SpeedEvil: damn it! Aug 12 16:48:29 http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb10-16.html HaHa \o/ flash <3 :-P Aug 12 16:50:29 >>Adobe recommends all users of Adobe Flash Player 10.1.53.64 and earlier versions upgrade to the newest version 10.1.82.76 by downloading it from the Adobe Flash Player Download Center or by installing it via the auto-update mechanism within the product when prompted.<< :-P Aug 12 16:51:04 so can we get every maemo user banging on their doors? Aug 12 16:51:12 Oh - interesting! Aug 12 16:51:22 they've released a version of flash 9 Aug 12 16:52:06 * timeless sighs Aug 12 16:52:16 there's actually an effort here to try to do something about that for maemo5 Aug 12 16:52:22 but it got complicated Aug 12 16:52:25 code is easy Aug 12 16:52:28 nothing else is Aug 12 16:52:57 yeah timeless Aug 12 16:52:59 heh Aug 12 16:53:49 frals, are you on pmo jabber, might as well play with new toy Aug 12 16:54:01 timeless: *nod* Aug 12 16:55:08 * frals goes back to sc2 Aug 12 16:55:43 timeless: seems finally Nokia has to appreciate N900 is a computer and not a closed source cellphone. So like every computer it eventually comes to the point where you need patchdays or whatever, between the major releases of FW Aug 12 16:56:25 um Aug 12 16:56:30 nokia is not a sentient being Aug 12 16:56:36 no matter how much we might wish it were Aug 12 16:57:02 :-S right Aug 12 16:57:48 anyway, to join in the trolly mood here, this is another nice topic council coult pick up at Aug 12 16:57:52 could* Aug 12 16:59:25 I mean, that's a sevey security issue. Nokia has to address it - otherwise somebody might consider sueing them for all the resulting damage Aug 12 16:59:39 severe* Aug 12 17:00:59 I hope that flash will be completely eliminated sooner or later.. Aug 12 17:01:03 I can't stand it Aug 12 17:01:11 hopefully HTML5 will make a change Aug 12 17:01:17 yeah, i hate it when people can watch viral videos Aug 12 17:01:22 it makes me feel so left out Aug 12 17:01:29 it's really terrible! Aug 12 17:01:35 no matter how to address it - maybe even by a mail to all users suggesting to disable flash in microb's about:settings or whatever Aug 12 17:01:39 what's the security issue of flash "this time"? Aug 12 17:01:40 HTML 5 in MeeGo? Aug 12 17:03:21 Hi Aug 12 17:03:46 o_O DocScrutinizer Aug 12 17:04:15 Funnyface: Critical vulnerabilities have been identified in Adobe Flash Player version 10.1.53.64 and earlier. These vulnerabilities could cause the application to crash and could potentially allow an attacker to take control of the affected system. Aug 12 17:04:20 lcuk: ?? Aug 12 17:04:57 nm Aug 12 17:05:09 timeless, "cat videos of the world unite" Aug 12 17:05:12 gan900: html5 is like ajax Aug 12 17:05:17 it's a collection of junk Aug 12 17:05:23 you mean html5video Aug 12 17:05:34 but which video format do you want? Aug 12 17:05:36 flv? Aug 12 17:05:39 mp4? Aug 12 17:05:44 ogg? Aug 12 17:05:48 webm? Aug 12 17:11:47 timeless: is there a way to config microb so it won't autoload and play each embedded flash thingie, but rather have a button to click inside the frame saying "start playback"? Aug 12 17:13:48 DocScrutinizer: you want flashblock? Aug 12 17:13:55 as malware flash usually doesn't come via the youtube video you clicked intentionally to watch it, but rather by one of the 53 flash animated adds from nobody-knows-where on the side banner Aug 12 17:14:08 zash: ooh, yep. probably Aug 12 17:16:41 so probably we should get a recommendation "to all maemo users: please install flashblock. If in doubt, don't playback flash media" Aug 12 17:19:33 also deprecating rootsh in favour of ssh-client/server metapkg which already comes with madatory password, might be sensible **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 17:22:21 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 17:34:15 2010 Aug 12 17:43:20 it would be awesome for the sms app to have an ncurses interface so i could just leave my phone upstairs charging, and ssh to it to send and recieve texts Aug 12 17:53:46 root; grep -q 'root:*' & passwd & sed "s/user ALL = NOPASSWD: \/usr\/sbin\/gainroot/user ALL = PASSWD: \/usr\/sbin\/gainroot/" /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo; echo "who is/does update-sudoers? if it's not done on next boot, you need to edit /etc/sudoers accordingly" Aug 12 17:54:27 this is an untested *suggestion* Aug 12 17:55:51 pronto, not exactly sms, but I'm working on something that'll help with ssh control Aug 12 17:56:02 so, need help on that Aug 12 17:56:06 suppose I have: Aug 12 17:56:07 string "general" Aug 12 17:56:07 string "silent" Aug 12 17:56:14 how do I get the text between the "" Aug 12 17:56:26 so I can get general\nsilent Aug 12 17:58:10 MohammadAG: in bash? Aug 12 17:58:15 yeah Aug 12 17:58:20 well, sh Aug 12 17:58:38 I was thinking awk, but idk the first thing about it Aug 12 17:58:39 ... | cut -f 2 -d '"' is one way Aug 12 18:00:23 hmm, sure? Aug 12 18:00:23 mohammad@mohammad-laptop:~$ echo " string "general" Aug 12 18:00:23 string "silent"" | cut -f 2 -d '"' Aug 12 18:00:24 string general Aug 12 18:00:24 string silent Aug 12 18:01:26 Change that echo so the first and last " are ' Aug 12 18:02:09 :-D Aug 12 18:02:53 [2010-08-12 02:27:42] I'd suggest a >>apt-get install $(apt-cache search microb|grep " - "|cut -f 1 -d " ") --purge --reinstall Aug 12 18:04:16 is it possible to add another user under maemo? Aug 12 18:04:18 cut \m/ Aug 12 18:04:59 hmm, how many mb/s is the mmcs supposed to pull generally? Aug 12 18:05:30 err 11 ? Aug 12 18:05:46 don't quote me on that Aug 12 18:06:49 speedevil or ShadowJK or cehteh might know better Aug 12 18:07:02 * Stskeeps ponders idly why i/o utilization on his bootchart shows 52 mb/s then Aug 12 18:08:10 more than 11 Aug 12 18:08:17 i had like 15M/s write Aug 12 18:08:24 so it has to do more in read Aug 12 18:12:52 [MeeGo-dev] Making meego fast - quick tests and lots of input needed http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-August/004797.html Aug 12 18:14:25 how i can do something like this in python : for i = 1 o 5 Aug 12 18:14:33 ( vb :D ) Aug 12 18:14:46 E0x, for i in range(1,6) Aug 12 18:15:07 oops Aug 12 18:15:19 E0x, for i in range(1,6): Aug 12 18:15:30 making meego fast? simple: make maemo fast, then port to meego Aug 12 18:15:32 i try that but i got a error , but i think is because the last number is inside of var Aug 12 18:15:45 and say something about that get a float type Aug 12 18:15:48 range(x) is 0...x-1 Aug 12 18:15:55 Who was playing with the sound subsystem 'directly'. Aug 12 18:15:55 range(a, b) is a...b-1 Aug 12 18:16:00 I forget. Aug 12 18:17:01 well, it returns an iterator that's iterated through by for Aug 12 18:17:37 DocScrutinizer51, indeed Aug 12 18:17:49 lots of things run well now Aug 12 18:17:50 guys, anybody knows what micro sdhc plus is? http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/12761327/Samsung-8GB-Micro-SDHC-Plus-Memory-Card/Product.html Aug 12 18:17:56 meego, not so much from what I see Aug 12 18:18:10 a range() object Aug 12 18:18:14 in python3 Aug 12 18:18:27 The card above is a samsung 8 gb class 6 card, but micro sdhc plus is scaring me off. will it work with N900? Aug 12 18:19:39 here it is http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/memory-cards-hdd-odd/memory-card/micro-sd-plus/MB-MP8G026/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=specification Aug 12 18:19:57 15 mm by 11mm by 1mm, is that microsdhc? Aug 12 18:20:09 trumee: eh? Aug 12 18:20:15 will that fit into N900? Aug 12 18:20:22 crashanddie: http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/memory-cards-hdd-odd/memory-card/micro-sd-plus/MB-MP8G026/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&tab=specification Aug 12 18:20:37 trumee: if it says microSD, it'll fit Aug 12 18:20:52 crashanddie: what is micro sdhc plus? Aug 12 18:21:18 btw. do we know who's manufacturing rapuyama? Aug 12 18:21:21 trumee: marketing Aug 12 18:22:41 crashanddie: thanks Aug 12 18:23:55 jacekowski: TI? Aug 12 18:24:14 trumee: if you buy it in a B&M shop, ask the salesman for confirmation, in case it doesn't work you can exchange it Aug 12 18:24:26 is that official info or just assumption? Aug 12 18:28:52 semi official assumption, as a TI engineer was involved in chip development Aug 12 18:30:44 It looked like a TI/nokia project. Aug 12 18:30:53 Somewhat at least in-house for nokia Aug 12 18:31:49 well, it uses same code signing as other ti chips but is it just maybe licensed technology Aug 12 18:31:55 http://www.visualcv.com/fgoeusse Aug 12 18:31:57 see that Aug 12 18:34:26 well, it looks like nokia is quite big client for ti Aug 12 18:34:36 - "Nokia Business Unit Architecture Department" Aug 12 18:44:52 * RST38h moos at VDVsx, a little bit Aug 12 18:45:14 * VDVsx moos back at RST38h Aug 12 18:45:34 RST38h, still in mordor or the situation is better now ? :P Aug 12 18:49:31 DocScrutinizer: there might be a flashblock, flashclicktoplay, or noscript Aug 12 18:49:35 any of them should work Aug 12 18:50:12 timeless, i never asked - the thing that needs kicking needs kicking Aug 12 18:50:20 I will remind you daytime tomorrow Aug 12 18:50:48 timeless: mm k, was more of a suggestion rather than a question Aug 12 18:51:06 lcuk: yeah, your timing sucks :) Aug 12 18:51:26 but you can use the other thing for pinging since it hits my phone directly Aug 12 18:51:28 I tried earlier Aug 12 18:51:35 and frals is crap at passing on messages ;) Aug 12 18:51:43 sure Aug 12 18:51:52 doc: um... microb is a dead end Aug 12 18:51:59 and the future product already supports at least noscript Aug 12 18:52:11 so as suggestions go, i don't see it going anywhere else Aug 12 18:52:13 no need Aug 12 18:52:13 it would be nice to get flashblock there Aug 12 18:52:17 alreadyfixed Aug 12 18:52:17 * lcuk has a stake in that Aug 12 18:52:25 well, a code fix at any rate Aug 12 18:52:33 http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2008/07/flashblock-port-to-microb/ Aug 12 18:52:49 awesome url Aug 12 18:53:00 i know its on microb Aug 12 18:53:09 but I meant on future thing as you just mentioned :P Aug 12 18:53:46 hrm, flashblock hasn't been ported to fennec? Aug 12 18:53:53 timeless: this is about a hotfix bandaid to cope with the adobe flash vulnerability threat Aug 12 18:53:54 well.. tell someone to get hoping Aug 12 18:53:54 i dunno Aug 12 18:54:00 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/mobile/search/?q=flashblock&cat=all&lver=any&pid=1&sort=&pp=20&lup=&advanced= Aug 12 18:54:03 i didnt know thats what you were implying Aug 12 18:54:26 s/hoping/hopping/ Aug 12 19:06:24 DocScrutinizer: not sure nokia actually cares about security updates for fremantle Aug 12 19:07:29 they damn better did, it's not something a company can afford to gamble with Aug 12 19:07:32 does nokia care about a broken usb port? Aug 12 19:07:54 DocScrutinizer: as if they cared about old, dumb phones Aug 12 19:08:18 actually Aug 12 19:08:23 does nokia care care about a broken usb port? Aug 12 19:08:26 DocScrutinizer: think about all the flawed bluetooth stacks which were never patched Aug 12 19:08:42 yup Aug 12 19:08:47 :-S Aug 12 19:08:49 who uses those Aug 12 19:08:57 kerio: a lot of people Aug 12 19:09:12 those lot of people should learn to turn the bluetooth off Aug 12 19:09:34 kerio: that's a workaround, sure Aug 12 19:09:39 that's exactly the rationale to consider this a minor threat Aug 12 19:09:41 but they're idiots who bought a smartphone to be cool, so... Aug 12 19:09:49 kerio: but some people actually use bluetooth :) Aug 12 19:09:59 kerio: I didn't talk about smartphones **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 19:12:16 2010 Aug 12 19:18:37 jacekowski, what was the sys/procnode that used to test all 3 LEDs? Aug 12 19:18:43 I remember you asked us to cat it **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 20:08:15 2010 Aug 12 20:12:12 what i need restart for get update the widget list ? Aug 12 20:13:02 TomaszD, hehe Aug 12 20:13:17 what *do* i need *to* restart *to* update the widget list Aug 12 20:13:22 alterego, not sure, wouldn't that need the same sort of thing as html? ie a javascript block! Aug 12 20:13:45 lcuk: that's sort of what I was thinking Aug 12 20:13:52 *kerio* *I* *don't* *know* *which* *list* *you* *mean* Aug 12 20:14:01 I suppose I can stick it in an onload initialization func Aug 12 20:14:22 I think he's talking about Qt Creator Aug 12 20:14:28 In which case, yes :) Aug 12 20:15:04 lcuk: read more scrollback Aug 12 20:16:01 E0x, same question :P Aug 12 20:20:42 hehe sorry Aug 12 20:20:50 the list of available widget Aug 12 20:20:57 widgetS Aug 12 20:20:58 when you go to add one Aug 12 20:47:14 MohammadAG51: what? test all 3 LEDs? Aug 12 20:50:00 kerio: clear proof of E0x's pidgin is better than your English :-P Aug 12 20:53:30 kerio: when 9 pidgin speakers and 1 native english speaker join in a conference, then in the end 10 people go away with a clear idea about the points of 9 of the 10 people :-D (sic!) Aug 12 20:53:54 DocScrutinizer: i'm not a native english speaker Aug 12 20:53:56 i'm italian Aug 12 20:54:03 born in italy, living in italy Aug 12 20:54:14 the point holds true nevertheless Aug 12 20:54:28 hold *this* point Aug 12 20:54:54 and I never stated you'd be a *native* englsih speaker Aug 12 20:57:04 nite all, sweet dreams Aug 12 20:58:50 * DocScrutinizer yawns and waves @ Trem Aug 12 21:00:52 could we run microb in a chroot, or flash in a sandbox, or whatever? Aug 12 21:01:19 user microb ? Aug 12 21:02:17 and user microb has write permisions to MyDocs only Aug 12 21:04:14 will be a bombastic migraine I guess, as microb is a support function for so many other services Aug 12 21:04:50 DocScrutinizer: the latest firefox can run flash in a separate process Aug 12 21:04:58 mhm Aug 12 21:04:58 i guess it wouldn't be hard to run *that* inside a sandbox Aug 12 21:05:03 without having to sandbox the whole browser Aug 12 21:05:14 yep Aug 12 21:05:40 yay i did my first widget that do something Aug 12 21:05:41 :D Aug 12 21:06:51 now for a shell 5liner to fix that borked gainroot... Aug 12 21:07:23 who is or does update-sudoers ? Aug 12 21:07:47 s/who/what (process)/ Aug 12 21:07:48 DocScrutinizer meant: what (process) is or does update-sudoers ? Aug 12 21:10:48 if the author for gpsrecorder is here, THANK YOU for adding the thumbtack thingie Aug 12 21:12:29 ouch, I don't want my thumb tacked :-) Aug 12 21:41:37 wb everybody Aug 12 21:41:37 ~ping Aug 12 21:41:38 :-/ Aug 12 21:41:39 she doesn't like netsplits Aug 12 21:41:44 ~ping Aug 12 21:41:49 ~ping Aug 12 21:41:49 ~pong Aug 12 21:41:55 ~botsnack Aug 12 21:41:56 ~botsnack Aug 12 21:41:57 DocScrutinizer: aw, gee Aug 12 21:42:01 :( Aug 12 21:42:49 kerio: thanks Aug 12 21:43:01 ~botsnack Aug 12 21:43:02 aw, gee, luke-jr Aug 12 21:43:05 ^_^ Aug 12 21:43:15 ~docsnack Aug 12 21:44:55 blargh kerio - rancid! Aug 12 21:45:48 why you ungrateful... Aug 12 21:48:06 it wasn't good! gimme another Aug 12 21:48:24 ~docsnack Aug 12 21:48:26 * infobot snaps the snack in a flying jump, and runs to bring it to DocScrutinizer. Halfway there, eats snack Aug 12 21:48:36 hehe Aug 12 21:48:36 :-S Aug 12 21:48:41 poor DocScrutinizer Aug 12 21:48:56 where are you running infobot, btw? Aug 12 21:50:25 kerio: your punctuation is abyssmal. >> where are you running, infobot, btw?<< Aug 12 21:51:21 I guess she won't answer Aug 12 22:08:04 is the user account for bugs.maemo.org different than talk.maemo.org? Aug 12 22:08:07 have you seen new opera Aug 12 22:08:11 with faster JS Aug 12 22:08:12 Our further-optimized JavaScript engine is over 50% faster than in Opera 10.50. Aug 12 22:11:16 smhar, yes. Aug 12 22:11:57 my God, how many accounts do I need to keep track of?! :-) Aug 12 22:12:48 smhar, Talk predates bugzilla by a few months Aug 12 22:13:05 And Talk started off as internettablettalk.com Aug 12 22:13:08 Not maemo.org Aug 12 22:13:14 and 3 accounts. :) Aug 12 22:13:36 GAN900, o_O didn't know Aug 12 22:13:46 bug #1 has comments from april 28 2005 Aug 12 22:13:47 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it Aug 12 22:14:02 wheres earliest "first post" in tmo? Aug 12 22:14:05 they could have used the same account for bugzilla, what is the 3rd? Aug 12 22:16:02 smhar, Garage Aug 12 22:16:14 smhar, for Bugzilla and Talk? No, no they couldn't have Aug 12 22:16:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39 is earliest thread I can find, posted july 27 2005 Aug 12 22:16:39 That's why I told you they were started as separate websites. Aug 12 22:16:52 lcuk, bugzilla was private initially, I believe. Aug 12 22:17:05 But I hadn't realized bug #1 was that old. Aug 12 22:17:14 So, scratch that, reverse it. Aug 12 22:17:24 /Wonka Aug 12 22:17:33 GAN900, sure, understandable, just looking at the uber coolness that is the start! Aug 12 22:17:55 i once did same for slashdot, that has such humble beginnings too! Aug 12 22:18:28 but do I really need to have an account just to view the bugs? Aug 12 22:18:30 heh, that bug1 got bumped again this year :D Aug 12 22:18:44 no, you can view openly i believe? Aug 12 22:18:49 bug 10000 Aug 12 22:18:49 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10000 Overwriting of devices in PAIRED DEVICES LIST Aug 12 22:19:02 can you see that ^ Aug 12 22:20:06 smhar, no. . . . Aug 12 22:20:15 smhar, remove httpS Aug 12 22:20:29 oh yeah Aug 12 22:20:57 yes.. thanks. I followed a link that did not show anything, probably for reporting bugs: https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=DreamRemote Aug 12 22:21:15 is there an api to get gps coordinates using a shell? Aug 12 22:21:46 do shells know their location? I thought they had hermit crabs in? Aug 12 22:22:06 smhar, yes, that's a reporting bug. Aug 12 22:22:22 smhar, you'll want to use Advanced search to view all bugs for a product. Aug 12 22:22:26 guess not Aug 12 22:22:34 * MohammadAG uses the reverse engineer method Aug 12 22:23:03 MohammadAG, i think you can though Aug 12 22:23:13 luke-jr, must have found a way at some point Aug 12 22:23:23 yeah, the reverse engineer method :P Aug 12 22:23:29 strace -p $(pidof location-daemon) -e read=6 2>&1|grep '| 000' Aug 12 22:23:49 The fact that it's a function of the modem makes things retardedly complicated. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 22:30:20 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 12 22:56:14 2010 Aug 12 22:56:37 anyway, off to bed Aug 12 22:59:44 which filesystem for sd for n900? Aug 12 23:00:29 vfat? Aug 12 23:01:07 what is the best way to get a map widget in a qt n900 program? Aug 12 23:04:58 http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/qt_map_widget/ Aug 12 23:05:01 yuizy__: Aug 12 23:05:08 some thoughts (largely not mine) Aug 12 23:05:48 okay just going to try vfat tomorrow since i left my charger Aug 12 23:05:51 hope i'm right Aug 12 23:14:34 vfat should work Aug 12 23:54:37 how good is bandwidth on repository.maemo.org? Connection there timeouts on me all the time Aug 13 00:01:07 bad "weather" - try again later Aug 13 00:01:43 sweet fucking metero shower the night :D Aug 13 00:01:51 *meteor Aug 13 00:02:45 fsckng clouds Aug 13 00:03:08 not even a +8 iridum flare came thru Aug 13 00:04:11 fair enough Aug 13 00:18:01 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=784527#post784527 pleeeease tell me his exact coords so I can program the minuteman - this ignorant A... Aug 13 00:27:43 hya..just came back from linxucon..played a bit with the new mameo phone ;-) (intel dev unit) Aug 13 00:31:21 i meant new meego phone obviously ;-) Aug 13 00:35:04 morning Aug 13 00:35:49 btw how can one create a shortcut to run a cli app i tried osso-xterm -e COMMANd but that dosent seem to work Aug 13 00:49:21 zeltak: I don't know, but I would imagine that if you looked at whatever irssi does you should do that Aug 13 00:50:16 I think im a cyber criminal now. I thought i'd do some unsecured phpmyadmin sites last night Aug 13 00:50:17 can someone help with /etc/hosts? Aug 13 00:50:30 * MohammadAG wants to redirect facebook.com to some local site Aug 13 00:50:41 and i "accidently" dropped a sites main table Aug 13 00:50:57 now their site is borked. hope they have a backup Aug 13 00:50:57 :P Aug 13 00:51:24 If not, i've taught them the important lesson of backups Aug 13 00:52:52 MohammadAG, add this to your /etc/hosts file: Aug 13 00:53:05 127.0.0.1 facebook.com Aug 13 00:53:31 mohammad@mohammad-laptop:~$ cat /etc/hosts Aug 13 00:53:31 127.0.0.1 localhost facebook.com Aug 13 00:53:51 do it on a seperate line Aug 13 00:53:54 so Aug 13 00:54:04 127.0.0.1 localhost Aug 13 00:54:11 127.0.0.1 facebook.com Aug 13 00:54:35 it might work on a singular line, but :P i dont know Aug 13 01:03:39 what email clients do you guys use? im looking for something fast and low resource? Aug 13 01:03:57 zeltak: mail.app Aug 13 01:03:58 :) Aug 13 01:04:17 :) Aug 13 01:18:11 Who wants to start taking bets on how many releases we have left? Aug 13 01:18:25 My money's on 0-1. Aug 13 01:18:59 DocScrutinizer: awesome, clouds went away, and now I have my rapier :) Aug 13 01:19:44 Nokia is really a clueless company. Aug 13 01:19:56 mcepl: lemme check :-) maybe my clouds also are gone now :-) Aug 13 01:20:03 Talk about screwing over your contributors. Aug 13 01:20:36 GAN900: except feeling the urge to ask you "you noticed now?" - what's up, pal? Aug 13 01:20:56 DocScrutinizer, just tired of the endless BS. Aug 13 01:21:07 :-S Aug 13 01:21:23 Rather irritated about the fact that I apparently wasted the last 5 years of my hobby time on them. Aug 13 01:21:43 yay, such bad mood Aug 13 01:21:44 DocScrutinizer: well, I've bought N900 just day before yesterday, and I have to admit that I am still getting over the shock, that N900 is apparently not supported on Ovi. Aug 13 01:21:52 DocScrutinizer, resigned, mostly. Aug 13 01:22:22 mcepl: well, tbh ovi is the LAST thing I'm missing Aug 13 01:22:50 yeah, but it tells something about the engagement of Nokia with N900 Aug 13 01:23:06 just about to pick up loose ends of hostmode discussion and wondering where and why we got stuck Aug 13 01:23:41 mcepl, not supported by Nokia at all, actually. Aug 13 01:24:02 You probably wouldn't have guessed from the advertising, but it's EoL. Aug 13 01:33:08 seriously now..ive been searching mameo.org and google for like 20 minutes..id appriciate your email app recomendation guys..whda you guys use? Aug 13 01:34:27 zeltak: thunderbird on laptop Aug 13 01:36:17 ok so no one uses email on the n900..gotcha... Aug 13 01:36:39 I use email very rarely. Aug 13 01:36:44 I suppose you've tried modest? Aug 13 01:37:11 yeah the default email app? seems very cluncky and got a bad rap on maemo.org :) Aug 13 01:39:07 You can always submit patches. Aug 13 01:39:27 or rewrites Aug 13 01:39:37 Or whole new apps. Aug 13 01:39:59 femail Aug 13 01:40:14 faster email, sounds like female Aug 13 01:40:22 excellent name, just like fapman Aug 13 01:42:22 ok...sorry for asking... Aug 13 01:47:56 Asking is fine, maybe you'll even get an answer! Aug 13 01:48:00 :) Aug 13 01:48:26 I don't actually recall any email apps in extras. Aug 13 01:48:34 Lots of communication and ... Aug 13 01:49:33 k thx SpeedEvil ill just use the built in mail app Aug 13 01:50:09 If you're having particular issues with it, you might consider raising a bug on the bugrtracker. Aug 13 01:50:16 I don't know if this would do anything. Aug 13 02:02:48 kk thx again Aug 13 02:05:01 is there any way ro manually define folders to be shown in file manager? Aug 13 02:06:32 it does not show root (/) and mmclk0p1 (mounted in /usr) Aug 13 02:07:14 and memory card with ext3 fs (that is mounted in /data) Aug 13 02:07:43 acually the file manager does not show anything Aug 13 02:09:15 and i can not take any picture with the camera Aug 13 02:10:17 i use the gpe (?) file manager Aug 13 02:10:31 i really crawed to move /usr outside of tiny rootfs, and then ... Aug 13 02:11:26 tank-man: thanks, but what about camera folder? Aug 13 02:12:14 sorry i can't help with that Aug 13 02:12:53 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=784834#post784834 Aug 13 02:13:18 tank-man: thanks anyway Aug 13 02:17:53 oh gpe fm is very nice :D Aug 13 02:25:00 MohammadAG: can it change camera folder? i can not find anything Aug 13 02:27:01 what? Aug 13 02:34:44 camera problem sol. Aug 13 02:34:49 solved Aug 13 02:35:10 i think it was permission problem Aug 13 02:35:33 was unable to write on MyDocs Aug 13 02:50:28 I have two vey silly questions: a) is there an app which would display a current layout of my keyboard (how to do a long vowles on a Czech keyboard)? b) how to actually take a picture with a camera? (I am ashamed of the last one, but I repeat myself "There are no stupid questions, just stupid answers" :)) Aug 13 02:51:04 *vowels Aug 13 02:51:13 mcepl, I can maybe help with b). Aug 13 02:51:38 so? Aug 13 02:51:45 mcepl: the cam part should be easy? Aug 13 02:51:55 mcepl, When you open the camera lens cover, do you see an app launched that shows the camera view? Aug 13 02:51:56 open slider, press trigger Aug 13 02:52:05 trigger? Aug 13 02:52:24 right top button. Aug 13 02:52:30 the cam trigger pressbutton Aug 13 02:52:52 loccated where right handed people would expect it Aug 13 02:52:54 that tells me I can shutdown display, kill the current app etc. That's probably not a right button? Aug 13 02:53:13 that's center button? Aug 13 02:53:17 mcepl, That's the center button, I believe. Aug 13 02:53:26 Go right, young man. Aug 13 02:53:35 yes, works! Aug 13 02:53:37 silly me Aug 13 02:53:49 oh my, it's late **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 13 02:59:57 2010