**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Aug 16 02:59:56 2010 Aug 16 03:00:29 * luke-jr notes he publishes his lat/lon in DNS :P Aug 16 03:00:41 hehe Aug 16 03:00:43 actually, I should have my N900 publish its lat/lon in DNS too… Aug 16 03:00:55 or not Aug 16 03:01:01 that'd be too easily abuse Aug 16 03:01:03 d Aug 16 03:01:47 hmmm driving through omaha next aug Aug 16 03:02:18 that sounds exciting Aug 16 03:02:37 beytter than n.dekota Aug 16 03:02:53 haha, ok, maybe Aug 16 03:03:02 also better than utah i guess Aug 16 03:03:03 or iowa Aug 16 03:03:27 i have friends from iowa that strongly insist that des moines has some nice bars and iowa city isn't bad Aug 16 03:03:34 montana ok once you hit the mountains Aug 16 03:03:59 ames is borimg Aug 16 03:06:26 DangerMaus: well good luck w/ that Aug 16 03:06:36 I now understand *why* T-Mobile says they have no service here Aug 16 03:06:38 it's very spotty Aug 16 03:06:45 hehe Aug 16 03:07:21 i had service in northhern WI where they said they had none Aug 16 03:07:31 (and I think Verizon owns the tower) Aug 16 03:07:50 had to climb a tree here and there Aug 16 03:08:30 ridge and vallley problems Aug 16 03:09:31 and popped up on att now and then Aug 16 03:09:42 your T-Mo SIM will roam on AT&T? Aug 16 03:09:44 mine won't connect Aug 16 03:10:51 mine will roam on att (at least in Michigan) Aug 16 03:10:59 heh mine did Aug 16 03:11:17 had to give it permission the first time Aug 16 03:11:30 got data too Aug 16 03:11:39 mine won't even login on 3G Aug 16 03:11:46 or connect or whatever 3G does Aug 16 03:12:36 it wasnt 3g like 2.5 Aug 16 03:12:44 well, 2G then Aug 16 03:12:46 whatever Aug 16 03:12:51 enough for maps Aug 16 03:13:29 and to pick up 20 txt in waiting Aug 16 03:13:40 att 3g is incompatible with tmo 3g.. Aug 16 03:13:47 yes, I mean 2G Aug 16 03:14:06 roaming between att and tmo on 2g is possible, but only in specific regions where pre-existing roaming agreements are in place Aug 16 03:14:24 yeah, att was 2.5g but at least worked Aug 16 03:14:46 at home i get 3.5 but then not in the rich areas Aug 16 03:15:07 i'm still waiting for tmobile to drop hspda+ here :( Aug 16 03:15:19 ieatlint: be glad you have anything Aug 16 03:15:28 heh Aug 16 03:15:47 well, i live in a city with notoriously spotty cell coverage Aug 16 03:16:00 someone should start a new cell company where all the customers run towers Aug 16 03:16:13 lots of hills + density + people fighting new towers because it'll give them cancer or some bullshit Aug 16 03:16:20 then to get coverage over a new city you just need to find 10 well-located friends Aug 16 03:16:52 where i work i love beimg able to find an open wifi and use skype Aug 16 03:17:02 Skype ftl Aug 16 03:17:09 I can't wait! 2 houres and 45 minutes untill I can call my insurance company and tell them I NEED an Nokia N900 rigth NOW! Aug 16 03:17:22 xae8koo: …? Aug 16 03:17:34 I want a N900 SOO bad! Aug 16 03:17:39 why Aug 16 03:17:47 and wtf does your insurance company have to do with it? Aug 16 03:18:04 back to the old relay like systems... Aug 16 03:18:13 don't worry, your enthusiasm for the phone will drop once you try to use it :P Aug 16 03:18:28 haha Aug 16 03:19:14 I am xae8koo Aug 16 03:19:24 My terminal disseapered Aug 16 03:19:24 xae8koo he's just a grouch Aug 16 03:19:41 I am currently using a Sony ericson z610i Aug 16 03:19:47 It is embarrasing! Aug 16 03:22:00 this is stsrting to suck only got this as of yesterday when lappie ran outta battery left my glasses at home Aug 16 03:22:17 with the chargers Aug 16 03:22:44 atleast the tv has a usb port Aug 16 03:24:46 luke-jr, or 10 well-located churches and flag poles Aug 16 03:25:00 TermanaN900: … Aug 16 03:25:09 no connectivity w/o power and internet :P Aug 16 03:26:25 got another lappie with no connectivity and w2k so no pc suit for that Aug 16 03:26:26 Enhanced Linux kernel for power users v2.6.28-maemo37, is it any good? Aug 16 03:28:01 no cd drive either... cant find a flash drive to put a live cd on to boot it install linux just sol here luke-jr Aug 16 03:42:25 xae8koo: sure Aug 16 03:53:13 for üpwer users... ummpff Aug 16 03:53:22 power* Aug 16 03:53:35 required for normal use though :P Aug 16 03:53:44 some idiot left IPv6 out of the default kernel Aug 16 03:53:59 I'm NO power user, I'm a nooooooob Aug 16 03:54:05 :-P Aug 16 03:54:54 maybe I become less noobish when I install kernel for power users? Aug 16 03:57:02 DocScrutinizer: nope, you're a n00b for life Aug 16 03:58:33 xae8koo: if you don't know exactly why you *need* another kernel, keep the stock one. A non-standard kernel will give you trouble for sure - not worth if you don't have clearly defined benefit from it to balance the trouble Aug 16 04:31:16 luke-jr: mhm, yep Aug 16 04:34:06 Whats the password on Nokia_N900_RX-51_Schematics.pdf? Aug 16 04:37:00 anyone? Aug 16 04:41:22 hmm Aug 16 04:41:58 * xnt14[N900] pokes someone at random and asks them the bloddy password on the schematics pdf :P Aug 16 04:42:20 *bloody Aug 16 04:44:55 xnt14[n900], googled a bit and found this quote: "those friggin schematics.pdf was fine on evince on my desktop. N900 says "need password" - wtf?" Aug 16 04:45:22 just disable DRM on your PDF reader? :P Aug 16 04:45:36 flux, hmm, ah :P Aug 16 04:45:51 luke-jr, cmd for N900's pdf reader? Aug 16 04:46:01 nfc Aug 16 04:46:16 * xnt14[N900] stabs his N900 with its stylus Aug 16 04:47:02 don't have my N810 handy for rading the schematics... Aug 16 04:47:50 **reading Aug 16 04:48:27 my hands hurt from this keyboard... , thats a really embarassing typo :P Aug 16 04:53:21 xnt14[N900]: N810 would probably do DRM too Aug 16 04:53:37 luke-jr, -_- Aug 16 04:53:47 installing evince atm :) Aug 16 04:54:17 but evince probably isn't hildonized, so it'll kill my eyes :P Aug 16 04:57:40 xnt14[N900]: use a *decent* pdf viewer, and forget about fsckng password :-P Aug 16 04:59:05 DocScrutinizer, just installed evince, it works but it hurts my eyes Aug 16 04:59:14 evince is pretty ok, and it works with schematics :-D Aug 16 04:59:37 DocScrutinizer, whats better than evince? Aug 16 04:59:50 no idea Aug 16 04:59:59 hehe Aug 16 05:00:03 hmm Aug 16 05:00:07 I found evince ok for my needs Aug 16 05:00:23 * xnt14[N900] looks for a way to make evince not hurt his eyes Aug 16 05:00:36 what's wrong with evince? Aug 16 05:00:56 moo lcuk Aug 16 05:01:12 lcukn900 even Aug 16 05:01:56 DocScrutinizer, evince + N900 = harming eyes Aug 16 05:02:07 why? Aug 16 05:02:38 cant read pin #s on the schematic Aug 16 05:02:45 text too tiny Aug 16 05:02:47 hmm Aug 16 05:02:54 zoom in then Aug 16 05:03:35 yes, but then: 1) scrolling is too bouncy, 2) I hate scrolling :P Aug 16 05:06:58 * xnt14[N900] gives up and goes to sleep Aug 16 05:07:19 night Aug 16 05:14:08 anyone know how to get DNS to work in the xephyr scratchbox? Aug 16 05:37:28 hidaren, take a look at scratchbox /etc/resolv.conf? Aug 16 05:43:53 flux: i think i fixed that.. but still no go Aug 16 05:44:03 and i looked at my nsswitch.conf and it seems okay too Aug 16 06:21:01 mornin Aug 16 07:09:15 aloha Aug 16 07:20:13 * timeless pokes tiagotiago with a stick Aug 16 07:30:44 docscrutinizer u around? i was wondering if having a fairly strong magnet near the device would send if whacky? Aug 16 07:44:57 DangerMaus: no, the only thing it does is unlock it Aug 16 07:49:20 Hi all ! Aug 16 07:49:40 hi Khertan_! Howzit? Aug 16 07:49:59 Brain is not working well :) Aug 16 07:50:23 Praat jij nie Afrikaans nie? Aug 16 07:50:28 Just joking :P Aug 16 07:50:34 the left part doesn't seems to communicate with the right part Aug 16 07:50:49 and you ? Aug 16 07:51:08 yeah, good, second week working :) Aug 16 07:51:10 did you find any interesting jobs ? Aug 16 07:51:24 yeah, I'm a C++ dev now Aug 16 07:51:43 malloc ... dealloc ... malloc ... segfault Aug 16 07:51:45 arf : Aug 16 07:51:46 ! Aug 16 07:51:52 C++, not C Aug 16 07:51:58 so more like new and delete :P Aug 16 07:52:10 :) Aug 16 07:52:13 but yeah, segfault about 10 seconds quicker than C :P Aug 16 07:52:31 bbl Aug 16 07:53:25 Someone know how to open network connection in qt on maemo if noone exits ? Aug 16 07:54:30 "Nvidia says no to Linux on Tegra netbooks, chooses WinCE" <<<--- Mike Rayfield http://www.facebook.com/mrayfield Aug 16 07:54:50 insert appropriate Bill Hicks quote here Aug 16 08:27:06 Morning, all Aug 16 08:27:13 hi Aug 16 08:27:45 really just need a serial port and the model 102 would be fine for a lot of things Aug 16 08:35:09 morning Jaffa timeless and pupnik_ Aug 16 08:35:28 * timeless sighs Aug 16 08:35:36 "ooh cool; ooh, uncool, idiots!" Aug 16 08:35:37 Someone know how to open network connection in qt on maemo if noone is open ? Aug 16 08:35:38 good old Khertan_ ... cheers Aug 16 08:35:47 :) Aug 16 08:35:54 i just saw an icon near my bt indicator Aug 16 08:35:58 and realized how stupid it was :( Aug 16 08:36:43 what icon? Aug 16 08:36:46 Hi x-fade :) Aug 16 08:36:53 the headset icon Aug 16 08:37:03 is there a connection manager widget? Aug 16 08:37:11 timeless: why is that stupid? Aug 16 08:37:14 kerio: why? Aug 16 08:37:24 kerio: lemme get a picture Aug 16 08:38:01 hi Khertan_ Aug 16 08:38:40 timeless! you have access to the nokia hq, right? Aug 16 08:38:50 release all the source code to wikileaks! Aug 16 08:39:00 lol Aug 16 08:39:11 hrm Aug 16 08:39:22 hq = espoo? Aug 16 08:39:25 that costs too much Aug 16 08:39:28 i'd have to take a bus Aug 16 08:39:31 or a taxi Aug 16 08:39:49 in french we usually reply : tu veux pas 100 balles et un mars ? Aug 16 08:39:49 :) Aug 16 08:39:50 timeless: not that kind of access, silly Aug 16 08:39:57 kerio: why would you want people's eyes to bleed Aug 16 08:40:00 remote access Aug 16 08:40:02 besides, the info nokia has would bore people out of their skulls, i'd be charged w/ murder Aug 16 08:40:16 hack n crack n shit Aug 16 08:40:37 timeless: nah, i'd just like a git blame src/bme/main.c Aug 16 08:40:38 this session doesn't actually have access to the nokia network fwiw Aug 16 08:41:01 hasn't someone already come forward to take blame for bme? Aug 16 08:41:10 * timeless thought someone did Aug 16 08:41:13 or maybe some comment that can explain *WHY* Aug 16 08:41:24 "because we were told to" Aug 16 08:41:27 "because we had to" Aug 16 08:41:31 "because we were in a hurry" Aug 16 08:41:35 "because someone requried it" Aug 16 08:41:39 pick one or more of the above? Aug 16 08:41:41 "There is no bme" Aug 16 08:41:52 * timeless hands duckboot a spoon Aug 16 08:42:27 the right way takes less time, works better and has no drawbacks ._. Aug 16 08:43:05 you must be new here =b Aug 16 08:43:19 that's what everybody tells me Aug 16 08:43:29 but they do nothing to change the situation Aug 16 08:43:50 so please shut up while i surround myself with happy thoughts and candy Aug 16 08:44:06 *omnomnom* Aug 16 08:44:14 * timeless hands out some rose colored glasses Aug 16 08:44:24 Uuuh - Shinies Aug 16 08:44:40 nokia has made many happy thoughts and candy with 770, 800, 810 and 900 Aug 16 08:44:48 timeless: hmm, can they fit over my own glasses? Aug 16 08:44:54 * timeless gives pupnik 3 'n's Aug 16 08:44:59 kerio: sure Aug 16 08:45:19 pupnik_: bme Aug 16 08:45:24 timeless: why does android have momentum, while maemo did not Aug 16 08:45:40 timeless: awesome! Aug 16 08:45:43 * pupnik_ tries to understand Aug 16 08:45:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ8mlC3mWW4 Aug 16 08:46:02 because maemo isnt on any massmarket phones.. i assume Aug 16 08:46:11 pupnik: because google understands marketing? Aug 16 08:46:13 /dcc timeless get glasses/rose.gls Aug 16 08:46:52 and google created a platform which is offered to other hardware vendors Aug 16 08:47:01 google basically agreed to do most of the software dev Aug 16 08:47:04 and provide marketing Aug 16 08:47:15 leaving the vendors w/ just the task of deploying to hardware Aug 16 08:47:27 the alternative stacks were symbian and winmo Aug 16 08:47:36 timeless: and creating the hardware :) Aug 16 08:47:41 symbian spent 2 years being "opened" which meant it was frozen Aug 16 08:47:54 and winmo keeps getting iced and rebooted anyway Aug 16 08:48:02 Khertan_: creating the hardware *is* the easy part for hardware companies Aug 16 08:48:14 nid0++ Aug 16 08:48:14 nid0: true :) Aug 16 08:48:17 its the software to go with it thats always been hassle, and is the hassle google took away Aug 16 08:48:32 nid0: but many still fail to create good hw Aug 16 08:48:37 s/its/it's/ Aug 16 08:48:54 khertan: "easy" is relative Aug 16 08:50:45 besides nid0 didn't say anything about creating good hardware :) Aug 16 08:50:50 it takes time to create anything Aug 16 08:51:16 True Aug 16 08:51:18 it takes longer to create software, even bad software. sometimes, especially bad software and, especially, bad software Aug 16 08:53:06 that's why I'm so slow. Aug 16 08:53:21 hey Khertan_, are you back in extras repos? Aug 16 08:53:26 I saw an update for pypackager Aug 16 08:54:05 mece: yep Aug 16 08:54:25 ask to X-Fade how i'm currently bothering him :) Aug 16 08:54:32 Khertan_, that's nice to hear. Aug 16 08:54:50 mece: i got too many report from user not using the last version of my software Aug 16 08:55:02 is keditor (or whatever it's called) in working condition? Aug 16 08:55:14 and as i didn't found a way to turn arround the Application manager problem Aug 16 08:55:30 mece: depends on what you call working condition ... Aug 16 08:56:09 mece: it was working well except the whitespaceremover plugin which was fixed this morning Aug 16 08:56:11 Khertan_, well I use pygtkeditor now, would you recommend going to keditor already? Aug 16 08:56:24 I see. ok then. Aug 16 08:56:29 mece: currently khteditor just do syntax hilight for python Aug 16 08:56:39 and isn't packaged Aug 16 08:56:51 that's ok. I only do python on device Aug 16 08:56:55 oh :) Aug 16 08:57:14 is it faster than pygtkeditor? for scrolling and such? Aug 16 08:57:20 mece: but if you want to try it on your device ... you can use the setup.py script Aug 16 08:57:31 is it faster than pygtkeditor <<< clearly ! Aug 16 08:57:40 ok cool. Aug 16 08:57:44 willl do. Aug 16 08:57:50 where can I find it? Aug 16 08:58:06 mece: i ve abandon pygtkeditor for my own use in favor of kht :) Aug 16 08:58:07 http://gitorious.org/khteditor Aug 16 08:58:27 setup.py didn't bother dependancy Aug 16 08:58:39 so install manually pyqt4 binding before Aug 16 08:59:45 Khertan_, well I'm already working on pyqt stuff som that's all good. Thanks Aug 16 09:00:49 mece: there is a button in the toolbar without any icon ... if you click on it ... it ll fill your code comment containing the result of a pylint parse :) Aug 16 09:01:15 but i warn you that the pylint plugin is still experimental Aug 16 09:01:27 oki Aug 16 09:01:46 http://khertan.net/khteditor Aug 16 09:01:54 and bug tracker : http://khertan.net/khteditor:bugs Aug 16 09:02:23 the bugs tracker has just been created Aug 16 09:02:24 :) Aug 16 09:02:41 the bug tracker is experimental too Aug 16 09:02:57 it s plugin for dokuwiki created recently Aug 16 09:02:57 :) Aug 16 09:03:03 because reinventing the wheel is awesome Aug 16 09:03:08 good stuff. I'll just clone so I can pull updates later. Aug 16 09:03:12 fuck Trac Aug 16 09:03:47 kerio: i'm not reinventing the wheel ... as there was no bug tracker for dokuwiki Aug 16 09:03:58 kerio: and trac doesn't feed my need Aug 16 09:04:35 you're reinventing a differently-sized wheel :) Aug 16 09:05:44 mece: yep you are welcome to clone it, and do not hesitate to submit suggestions, idea, bug fixes ! Aug 16 09:06:30 Khertan_, well, if I come across something. I have a ton of projects and very little time, so don't hold your breath though ;) Aug 16 09:06:40 mece: no soucy Aug 16 09:07:59 setup needs setuptools? Aug 16 09:08:00 mece: did you know how to open a connection if none is open in a pyqt program ? Aug 16 09:08:10 mece: hum ... i think Aug 16 09:08:19 mece: or at least distutils Aug 16 09:08:26 but it s available on n900 Aug 16 09:08:37 as this is the way i install it :) Aug 16 09:10:19 hm Khertan_, no I haven't done it, but Of the top of my head it's in.. http://doc.trolltech.com/4.6/qnetworkrequest.html or something around that. Aug 16 09:10:57 I usually just use the regular qt references when doing pyqt Aug 16 09:11:35 i do the same Aug 16 09:11:48 funny thing...at my friend's, my n900 battery lasts a lot less than elsewhere, it showed about 50% when I went to sleep here, and when I woke up it was dead :) nothing happening in the background either and saw no usage during the night Aug 16 09:12:14 'saw no usage' = how Aug 16 09:12:15 do you use their wlan? Aug 16 09:12:20 oh - right Aug 16 09:12:32 wlan with crappy router with no PSM? Aug 16 09:12:35 yes I use wlan here, but I do at home too without problem Aug 16 09:12:37 cronjob? Aug 16 09:12:43 but it also does that without wlan Aug 16 09:12:46 mece: but QNetworkResquest just do a request and but i do my request thought urllib2 and just want to open the connection Aug 16 09:12:59 wlan without powersave working wll last several hours. wlan with powersave working lasts sreveral days Aug 16 09:13:24 I only remembered she had a wlan last week Aug 16 09:13:46 but good point still Aug 16 09:13:48 could just be some random snafu unrelated to location, I had that happen to me once at home Aug 16 09:14:09 pathalogical recamping can do that too Aug 16 09:14:28 lol Aug 16 09:14:29 went to bed with the battery on like 80%, woke up to find the device had died in the middle of the night, for no reason at like 1am the battery power according to battery-eye just dropped like a stone Aug 16 09:15:06 guess I'll have to get another charger here ;) Aug 16 09:15:12 Khertan_, ok yeah but urllib2 doesn't ask the phone to connect iirc, it just goes "damn, nothing" and gives up. Aug 16 09:15:36 mece: there's a dbus command to make the connection window come up Aug 16 09:17:36 kerio: did you know it ? Aug 16 09:18:24 no Aug 16 09:18:35 not sure how maemo apps do it Aug 16 09:18:58 using the tablet connection manager maybe Aug 16 09:47:01 abill_uk is at it again :D Aug 16 09:51:15 mece: on whine.maemo.org ? Aug 16 09:51:56 i think the nokia tablets were a bit ahead of their time Aug 16 09:53:12 abill's agenda seems a bit unclear for me (besides all the whine regarding support, support and support) Aug 16 09:53:16 Khertan_, yep. It's very entertaining. Aug 16 09:53:40 or not ... this is one of the reason i didn't read t.m.o anymore Aug 16 09:53:57 i read one or two post by month Aug 16 09:53:58 not more Aug 16 09:59:59 https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-August/026580.html Aug 16 10:00:01 oups Aug 16 10:00:19 oh right Aug 16 10:00:20 http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/headset.png Aug 16 10:00:27 someone was asking why i didn't like the icon Aug 16 10:00:31 take a look at the icon Aug 16 10:00:51 how many people here have headsets where one headphone is half as tall as the other?! Aug 16 10:01:24 :) Aug 16 10:01:49 timeless: yeah it s stupid ... they should expand the status bar by 20 just for displaying the icon :) Aug 16 10:02:03 s/20/20 pixel Aug 16 10:02:34 -- Aug 16 10:02:34 I have no problem recognizing a microphone though :) Aug 16 10:02:34 An HTTP error 0 occured. Aug 16 10:03:30 ? Aug 16 10:03:42 i use webchat :) Aug 16 10:03:55 pupnik, what's this now? Aug 16 10:05:27 what what Aug 16 10:05:37 /comments/anon_vote/comment/598166/1/1 Aug 16 10:05:39 a present mece Aug 16 10:05:40 respect Aug 16 10:05:57 bbl Aug 16 10:06:05 khertan: nah, they just need to use a different size for things... Aug 16 10:06:37 who's attending the conference? Aug 16 10:07:27 ?? Aug 16 10:07:49 MeeGo conference Aug 16 10:08:28 MohammadAG51: http://conference2010.meego.com/attendees :) Aug 16 10:08:41 trying my best to get someone else to pay for it - if that happens, i'll be there. Aug 16 10:09:03 X-Fade, ty, thought the list was private Aug 16 10:16:42 i still don't get why rsync hogs cpu and ram this way Aug 16 10:16:45 is there a cheaper check that i can set? Aug 16 10:20:46 Personnaly i don't think i ll come to the summit Aug 16 10:21:25 Khertan_, conference, its a conference :p Aug 16 10:21:35 hmm Aug 16 10:21:53 hey frals, back at your house now? Aug 16 10:21:59 lcuk: same Aug 16 10:23:50 lcuk: http://maemo.org/packages/view/khweeteur/ Aug 16 10:23:54 lcuk: yeah back in .fi now, got in this morning Aug 16 10:24:04 cool Aug 16 10:24:05 lcuk: me and a billion mosquito bites Aug 16 10:24:09 o_O Aug 16 10:24:17 I took jake for a walk yesterday Aug 16 10:24:27 and he was good as gold Aug 16 10:24:36 itching all over.. great combination with being up since 0400 :D Aug 16 10:24:38 but when I got back I realised we had walked 5k Aug 16 10:24:44 hehe Aug 16 10:24:51 how do i start a local proxy in N900? Aug 16 10:25:11 ilius, you mean a proxy thats usable by other machines on your network? Aug 16 10:25:12 like toonel or yourfreedom.net Aug 16 10:25:21 or configure the proxy setting on your default connection? Aug 16 10:25:35 lcuk: no just for use in my device Aug 16 10:26:02 ilius, afaik, you can set the proxy from the connection settings dialog Aug 16 10:26:17 lcuk: no i know that Aug 16 10:26:28 asuming that i haven't a vpn or a personal proxy server Aug 16 10:26:50 i want to start a local proxy sever Aug 16 10:26:55 *server Aug 16 10:27:45 ilius: same way you do on debian then, more or less ;) Aug 16 10:31:32 http://khertan.net/khweeteur Aug 16 10:38:23 holy crap Aug 16 10:38:25 We just uploaded livewallpaper 0.8 and xscreensaver to extras-devel. Aug 16 10:38:25 Please test it. Aug 16 10:38:25 Important! Please reboot your device after update. Aug 16 10:38:25 We need community help. Aug 16 10:38:25 Xscreensaver has 124 themes. Aug 16 10:39:34 lol ... lcuk the microsoft dev ! update require a reboot ! Aug 16 10:39:36 huhu Aug 16 10:40:09 Khertan_, no, this is live wallpaper from vlad http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45728&page=36 Aug 16 10:40:25 no excuse Aug 16 10:40:26 :=) Aug 16 10:41:14 is livewallpaper still slowish? Aug 16 10:42:08 not as slow as before Aug 16 10:42:15 not 60fps Aug 16 10:44:38 lcuk: theme as in xscreensaver "hack", right? Aug 16 10:45:14 BCMM_, xscreensaver is just x11 instructions to draw onto the screen at screensaver time, those appear to have just been redirected inside Aug 16 10:45:20 so its not a "hack" as suh Aug 16 10:45:27 such Aug 16 10:45:37 lcuk: uh, xscreensaver screensavers are called "xscreensaver hacks" Aug 16 10:45:48 aren't they? Aug 16 10:45:49 well then yes! :p Aug 16 10:45:52 i dunno Aug 16 10:46:14 anyway, by "theme", you mean "screensaver"? Aug 16 10:46:54 yes Aug 16 10:46:57 also, what does livewallpaper do? can it show xscreensaver hacks on the desktop? Aug 16 10:48:03 BCMM_, yes Aug 16 10:48:04 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=787001#post787001 Aug 16 10:48:06 video here Aug 16 10:48:12 oh, neat Aug 16 10:50:48 does livescreensaver use CPU time when the display is locked or the desktop is not visible? Aug 16 10:51:16 BCMM_, undetermined at the moment, its work in progress and vlad knows this requirement Aug 16 10:51:28 hence it not being at 1.0 yet :) Aug 16 10:53:53 I think we need a wiki page to clear up all this crap about maemo5 maemo6 harmattan and MeeGo Aug 16 10:54:23 It's getting really annoying the noise of people getting it wrong, which just makes more people believe the wrong statements. Aug 16 10:54:28 It's like chinese whispers or something. Aug 16 10:59:14 alterego, I'd read that page! I've been trying to find info about that but there's nothing good out there Aug 16 11:06:07 unabill_uk ... Aug 16 11:06:10 * alterego chuckles Aug 16 11:06:12 I'm a bad man. Aug 16 11:12:53 how well does a-gps work on the n900? Aug 16 11:13:01 as well as on other nokia devices? Aug 16 11:13:14 IcanCU: depends on who you ask, it works very well for me. Aug 16 11:13:21 i see Aug 16 11:13:29 ive been using nokia's some time now Aug 16 11:13:32 but no maemo Aug 16 11:13:50 none of my nokia's seemed to have a clue about where they were Aug 16 11:13:55 I'm pretty much certain to get a lock within 10-30 seconds, depending on the environment. Aug 16 11:13:58 until they got a proper gps fix Aug 16 11:14:13 for me its always like 1 minutes or so Aug 16 11:14:14 Interesting, AGPS worked fine for me on the N96 Aug 16 11:14:21 i mean 15 minutes Aug 16 11:14:21 Though the N96 bis probably the worst Nokia I've had ;) Aug 16 11:14:39 IcanCU: 15 minutes is somewhat ridiculous, were you inside? Aug 16 11:14:45 in a car Aug 16 11:14:59 also a gps doesn't seem to help at all Aug 16 11:15:01 some cars have GPS opaque windows Aug 16 11:15:14 but when i open google maps Aug 16 11:15:23 it knows where i am immediately Aug 16 11:15:32 even with gps turned off Aug 16 11:15:35 It's much harder to get a lock when you're moving relatively fast (i.e. car) Aug 16 11:15:36 IP Aug 16 11:15:48 X-Fade: ping Aug 16 11:15:55 Trick is to get a lock before you set off, stick your handset on the car roof for a minute or two before you leave. Aug 16 11:16:03 ok Aug 16 11:16:11 or strap it on the roof and vnc into it Aug 16 11:16:16 MohammadAG51: :) Aug 16 11:16:22 :P Aug 16 11:16:29 achipa: pong Aug 16 11:16:38 how come nokia maps don't know where i am.. not even in what country Aug 16 11:16:40 You could mount it near the rear and use the camera as a rear view too ;) Aug 16 11:16:41 without gps Aug 16 11:17:03 it doesn't use IPs? Aug 16 11:17:15 I wonder how much lower the N900 will go Aug 16 11:17:19 X-Fade: if we have, say, a package that is specifically for No. Aug 16 11:18:08 the N900 hasn't dropped in price in holland since launch Aug 16 11:18:10 Not until we use OBS for repo creation. Aug 16 11:18:11 X-Fade: ah well Aug 16 11:18:16 its still 499 in most strores Aug 16 11:18:29 .uk it's come down quite a bit. Aug 16 11:18:41 achipa: It would require a lot of work to get it done properly at least. Aug 16 11:18:46 You can also get it on PAYG plans now for half it's price on nokia.com originally .. Aug 16 11:19:13 IcanCU: buy it from germany? Aug 16 11:19:21 X-Fade: ok, it's not a critical package so I'll just suggest keeping it in extras-devel and have it properly advertise PR version in the title Aug 16 11:19:43 achipa: why are you back supporting anyway? Aug 16 11:20:16 achipa: also, maybe make the depends field explicitly depend on the version of the maemo release you're targetting, that will make it hard for anyone else to install it. Aug 16 11:20:25 alterego: not me, somebody submitted a package to QA pre-1.2 Aug 16 11:20:34 i'm thinking about getting a N900 as a small home computer Aug 16 11:20:43 for skype and to control my media center Aug 16 11:20:45 alterego: that don't work, the appmanager won't let you do that Aug 16 11:20:57 why Aug 16 11:21:14 Eh, are you sure? Aug 16 11:21:17 X-Fade: the other issue... have you seen that libsdl-2.0-0 thingy ? Aug 16 11:21:19 bbiam Aug 16 11:21:33 alterego: absolutely. It's a safeguard so packages would not block OTA Aug 16 11:22:05 alterego: I experienced it firsthand with tweakflashver - when I wanted to depend on the exact package of flash... BAM - policy violation Aug 16 11:22:31 achipa: sdl is a pain :( Aug 16 11:23:06 X-Fade: I'm talking packaging mainly, why are they pushing pointless updates into extras when it's Nokia repo material anyway ? Aug 16 11:24:02 achipa: which package? Aug 16 11:24:16 X-Fade: X-Fade: the other issue... have you seen that libsdl-2.0-0 thingy ? Aug 16 11:24:29 achipa: I don't see that being updated in extras? Aug 16 11:25:09 X-Fade: for example http://maemo.org/packages/view/libsdl-ttf2.0-0/ Aug 16 11:25:27 achipa: Well that is not nokia pushing it ;) Aug 16 11:25:50 X-Fade: okay, indt then, you nitpick :P Aug 16 11:26:14 are n900 users more like to go on irc? Aug 16 11:26:42 achipa: Well libsdl-ttf2.0 is a nokia package. -0 is a safe repacement? Aug 16 11:26:53 morning ka \o Aug 16 11:27:01 X-Fade: err... no Aug 16 11:27:01 lcuk: o/ Aug 16 11:27:32 achipa: different name to bypass domain restrictions? Aug 16 11:27:32 X-Fade: it the same we-started-in-extras-but-moved-to-nokia-repo-without-telling story Aug 16 11:28:28 achipa: For the ttf case we had it on device, but not in the sdk repo. This was fixed in some release. Aug 16 11:29:26 achipa: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10450 Aug 16 11:29:28 Bug 10450: libsdl-ttf2.0 missing from device repositories Aug 16 11:29:33 X-Fade: the problem is there is no chance the app manager (or even apr-get) will pick up the last one in extras-devel and replace the old one from extras properly Aug 16 11:29:49 that's why you don't use SSU Aug 16 11:29:53 you reflash!1!1!1 Aug 16 11:30:00 achipa: The one in extras was there because people couldn't build ttf based apps. Aug 16 11:30:52 lcuk: working now, my local config problem. Aug 16 11:31:05 uploaded Aug 16 11:31:09 heh always the way \o/ Aug 16 11:31:10 bonus Aug 16 11:31:19 so which package is that? Aug 16 11:31:50 <_berto_> will we do this too on maemo's birthday? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=592392 Aug 16 11:32:26 lcuk: spatialite for the moment, then mapbuddy 0.4 Aug 16 11:32:39 X-Fade: I'm reading the bug rept, but the problem is the same - that transitional package is only in extras-devel and will have a hard time reaching end-users who already have a previous version installed Aug 16 11:33:02 X-Fade: and then if a newer package comes along that depends directly on the one in the nokia repo, poof Aug 16 11:33:22 achipa: No that works. Aug 16 11:33:23 _berto_, lol yes, of course we will stop iceweasel from working for a day :P Aug 16 11:33:28 the package was libsdl-mixer1.2 Aug 16 11:33:30 achipa: As that is the one on device. Aug 16 11:33:37 held back by mp-fremantle-generic-pr Aug 16 11:33:44 <_berto_> lcuk: LOL Aug 16 11:34:39 achipa: Anyway, things like this really make it obvious that we need to switch to OBS asap ;) Aug 16 11:34:53 X-Fade: what am I doing wrong, then: http://pastebin.com/7FGcFMph Aug 16 11:34:57 achipa: As then the entire repo just rebuilds automatically if something changes. Aug 16 11:36:31 (note that I already had the old libsdl-ttf-2.0-0, via brainparty/fheroes2/enigma) Aug 16 11:38:27 achipa: I guess it comes from this: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/python-pygame/1.9.1release-0maemo1/ Aug 16 11:41:12 X-Fade: the point is, it's not exactly good if you can install an app only depending on what other apps have you installed previously :) In other words, why not add provides/replaces/conflicts to the nokia package and kill it altogether from extras ? Aug 16 11:42:17 achipa: Have you seen glaciers move? Aug 16 11:42:21 achipa: Same thing there. Aug 16 11:43:39 X-Fade: I have packaged apps through an SSH X tunnel to a machine running VMWare, which had an ubuntu image containing scratchbox for diablo. Does that count ? Aug 16 11:44:55 X-Fade: I have seen glaciers move, and when the right conditions are in place, they move pretty fast. Aug 16 11:45:29 X-Fade: so what do we do with QA ? Say 'hey, pykake works, but only if you have not previously installed brainparty' ? Shrug ? Aug 16 11:46:58 achipa: Whell no SSU will ever work when you have brainparty installed. Aug 16 11:47:07 or any gles1 app for that matter. Aug 16 11:48:12 X-Fade: ok, enigma then :) Aug 16 11:49:08 achipa: I would reopen the bug and see what can be done if I were you. Aug 16 11:49:16 X-Fade: aye Aug 16 11:49:21 achipa: I can remove the package from Extras, but that doesn't solve much? Aug 16 11:50:31 X-Fade: it would if the nokia one had the provides clause :) :( Aug 16 11:54:25 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/08/oracle-sues-google-over-use-of-java-in-android-sdk.ars Aug 16 11:54:29 ouch Aug 16 11:56:23 Khertan_: ju$t bu$ine$$ a$ u$ual, nothing to $ee Aug 16 11:57:29 i really hope oracle will win this one Aug 16 11:57:46 and then they will not license java to google Aug 16 11:58:49 i hope too ... and they noone will use java anymore ... and Python could rule the world ! (Pinky and the brain background sound) Aug 16 11:58:50 jacekowski: They will probs agree on Google paying $ to Oracle, and then business will be as usual. Aug 16 12:00:22 i hope they will not Aug 16 12:00:30 and that we there will be no more shitdroid Aug 16 12:00:54 anyone got any ideas how to install reprepro without root access? Aug 16 12:01:19 jacekowski: Way too much money invested in Android, so google will pay _alot_ to see that it will not be discontinued. Aug 16 12:01:48 DuckBoot: that is the point - they dont want it dead, they want to milk it Aug 16 12:03:00 MohammadAG: --force-not-root Aug 16 12:03:11 MohammadAG: Option for dpkg Aug 16 12:03:17 seriously? Aug 16 12:04:06 dpkg: operation requires read/write access to dpkg status area Aug 16 12:04:08 MohammadAG: and use --instdir=dir to put somwhere you have write-access Aug 16 12:04:13 hmm Aug 16 12:04:29 MohammadAG: And --admindir=dir Aug 16 12:04:41 MohammadAG: To fake /var/lib/dpkg Aug 16 12:04:57 ;-P Aug 16 12:06:26 Youhou !!! My favorite game is now free : http://ioquake3.org/2010/08/12/welcome-wolfenstein-enemy-territory-and-return-to-castle-wolfenstein/ Aug 16 12:06:34 at least the engine Aug 16 12:07:31 yeah :) Aug 16 12:07:46 enemy territory was always free, wasn't it? Aug 16 12:08:07 free as in beer Aug 16 12:08:14 oh, now it's been opensourced? Aug 16 12:08:17 yes Aug 16 12:08:22 big deal Aug 16 12:08:24 old game Aug 16 12:08:46 alley cat is an old game. this is still relevant Aug 16 12:09:15 timeless: you're a mac user, right? do you use itunes? Aug 16 12:09:25 chess is an old game Aug 16 12:09:45 lcuk: sorry, i'll get off your lawn now Aug 16 12:10:14 if you were on my lawn you would already be shot Aug 16 12:13:51 lcuk, auto machine gun? Aug 16 12:14:52 HEAVYMASCHINEGUN! Aug 16 12:15:07 RAWKET LAWNCHAIR Aug 16 12:16:21 100 people registered at Meego Conf in less than a week ... are they hoping a free device ? :) Aug 16 12:16:38 * alterego burps, in your face! Aug 16 12:16:44 ./reprepro: error while loading shared libraries: libarchive.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Aug 16 12:16:54 how do I force it load the lib from a different dir? Aug 16 12:17:00 --force Aug 16 12:17:02 Khertan_: guess so :) Aug 16 12:17:10 MohammadAG: LD_LIBRARY_PATH? Aug 16 12:17:14 ty Aug 16 12:22:31 really, is it normal that rsync through ssh brings my n900 down? Aug 16 12:22:32 :/ Aug 16 12:22:40 how can i speed it up? Aug 16 12:23:08 how do you use it? Aug 16 12:23:31 cehteh: rsync -vru --modify-window=5 --delete --exclude '*DS_Store' --exclude '._*' ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes\ Music/Music/ ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes\ Music/Audiobooks/ root@10.0.2.6:/home/user/MyDocs/rec/Music Aug 16 12:23:39 rsync on FAT filesystem works bad, fat iirc has only 2 seconds fule time precision Aug 16 12:23:46 i know :) Aug 16 12:24:34 i sometimes nice/ionice rsync or even use --bwlimit Aug 16 12:24:50 of course takes longer then, but doesnt bring the device down Aug 16 12:25:47 see also what the -a sets you may need some of them (update times on the dest!) and -P is also favorable or at least --partial Aug 16 12:25:58 hmm, what's Label in reprepro for? Aug 16 12:26:01 * cehteh usually uses -aPH Aug 16 12:26:11 Finally managed to get Qt 4.7 + Madde + Qt Creator to work :) Aug 16 12:32:27 cehteh: the time update is done by u Aug 16 12:32:38 i can't and shouldn't use a, that also preserves permissions Aug 16 12:32:50 kerio on my computer is uid 501 Aug 16 12:32:55 user on the n900 is... different Aug 16 12:33:02 i mean, i'm using root, but still Aug 16 12:58:32 could it be that ssh is hogging the cpu? Aug 16 12:58:53 for what? Aug 16 12:59:02 Sometimes pepople try bruteforce my password Aug 16 12:59:13 disable passwords Aug 16 12:59:22 Clearly the best solution. Aug 16 12:59:39 That doesn't stop them from trying? Aug 16 12:59:56 still eats battery :) Aug 16 13:00:42 ShadowJK: iptables Aug 16 13:00:54 Or - still battery-issue. Aug 16 13:01:12 "stop sshd" works too ;p Aug 16 13:01:45 kerio: -a is archive and does the same as -rlptgoD where -t is preserve times Aug 16 13:02:10 SpeedEvil: for the transfer Aug 16 13:02:31 i mean, using socat or something like that would probably be faster Aug 16 13:05:26 people are trying to bruteforce your n900's SSH password? Aug 16 13:05:34 Where the heck are you, on the wifi of a russian mob? Aug 16 13:06:35 LOL Aug 16 13:11:14 crashanddie: nah, they'd just hit you until you reveal the password Aug 16 13:12:22 ShadowJK: changeing the port does magic ;) Aug 16 13:12:43 till they do a port scan Aug 16 13:15:43 port scan doesn't help against port change Aug 16 13:15:48 as long as you don't use a standard port Aug 16 13:15:55 port scanning takes heaps of time, especially a DPS Aug 16 13:23:35 why is gitroious's login f'd up Aug 16 13:43:14 omfg. next thing afer database corruption: "unable to send or receive new messages, device storage full". needless to say there is plenty of space on all filesystems Aug 16 13:49:52 Arkenoi: ? - You got database corruption? Aug 16 13:52:03 Hi ! Aug 16 13:52:05 again :) Aug 16 13:56:13 question: is there a nokia phone emulator around? I mean something to run in maemo and simulate whole old style nokia phone (with snake!) Aug 16 13:59:02 lcuk: if you build snake from source it should run in the qtcreator emulator Aug 16 13:59:14 but then, if you have the source you could run it on the desktop ;-) Aug 16 14:00:24 There is a snake in extras Aug 16 14:00:28 it's not very original-like Aug 16 14:00:44 hardaker, i am talking about the full original monochrome UX and even button presses where practical Aug 16 14:01:12 ad Aug 16 14:01:13 ah Aug 16 14:10:53 interesting idea, just for the laughs and giggles Aug 16 14:12:20 now if it also would emulate monitor mode ( http://nobbi.com/phones.htm ) that would actually be a great thing :-D Aug 16 14:17:07 shouldn't be too hard to create an emulator for the whole "UI and application system OS" as found on e.g. a 6210-1.gen Aug 16 14:18:27 3310 ftw Aug 16 14:18:41 too new :-P Aug 16 14:18:45 one of the best phones *ever* made imo Aug 16 14:19:07 the 6120c is probably the modern day equivalent Aug 16 14:20:33 how's N900 USB host mode getting along? Aug 16 14:20:42 I'm talking about that one though http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Nokia_6210_ladestation_01.JPG&filetimestamp=20061216190656 Aug 16 14:20:55 Funnyface: slowly Aug 16 14:22:37 hmm :P Aug 16 14:24:44 yeah. Aug 16 14:24:50 Sit on a 3310. Aug 16 14:25:00 'I'd better move, this is uncomfortable'. Aug 16 14:25:12 Sit on n900. 'Oh noes!' Aug 16 14:27:19 still haven't finished the rsync ._. Aug 16 14:27:24 Sit on a ... k, I'll get me coat Aug 16 14:28:21 sp3000: Especially if it's running sybianOS Aug 16 14:29:58 why don't I bring your coat too :) Aug 16 14:33:43 Hi! Quick question about "X Terminal" on N900/Maemo 5: sometimes I have the arrow icon on the lower right corner that lets me cut&paste, and sometimes the icon is not present. How can I have the icon appear if it is not there? Aug 16 14:34:21 there's no sshfs in Diablo? Aug 16 14:35:52 kwtm, it's not there if there's nothing to scroll Aug 16 14:36:05 so copy/paste should work if it's not there Aug 16 14:36:53 ShadowJK: Oh, so if there's nothing to scroll I can still highlight text and do copy paste? Hmm, that's not what I found, so I must be doing something wrong, then. Aug 16 14:37:10 ShadowJK: Thanks for the info. Aug 16 14:37:15 that's the idea anyway :/ Aug 16 14:37:48 like, if I open new xterm, the arrow icon in lower left is missing Aug 16 14:37:51 ShadowJK: Maybe vim takes control of the scrolling so X Terminal thinks it's doing a copy/paste, but I can't seem to copy properly when I highlight and vim leaps out with the "Visual" mode... Aug 16 14:38:11 when I press enter until first line scrolls offscreen, the arrow icon appears Aug 16 14:38:34 ShadowJK: I see. Thx! Aug 16 14:39:00 Oh, if vim uses "mouse", then vim controls what pointer/mouse/touchscreen does Aug 16 14:39:36 I know nano does this too, and just moves the cursor when I tap, until I turn mouse mode off Aug 16 14:39:42 ShadowJK: Right. I was hoping it would be like MicroB where you can put it in "quit using my mouse!" mode, and you can highlight instead of having the program (vim/MicroB) respond to the mouse/pointer. Aug 16 14:40:18 vim is in control of it entirely I think Aug 16 14:40:46 well, how would you highlight text to mark for copy in vim, without using a mouse? Aug 16 14:40:52 ShadowJK: Yeah, vim is in control of me entirely, too. :P When I program using vim, half the time I'm looking up the reference for vim, not the actual programming language. :P Aug 16 14:41:17 Hi! Does anyone mind to recompile Dosbox with propper INT28 support? http://pastebin.com/aUiBGacZ Aug 16 14:42:02 in a 'usual editor' you'd moce the cursor while holding shift Aug 16 14:42:08 move* Aug 16 14:43:22 Dosbox with int28 will sleep if nothing is typed at the command prompt. And therefore reduce battery usage. Aug 16 14:45:50 tobis87: good find. You should post it to the maemo-dosbox project homepage, wherever that might be Aug 16 14:46:05 or even open a ticket for it Aug 16 14:47:18 DocScrutinizer51: On bugs.maemo.org? I thought It was just build and not really supported. Aug 16 14:49:38 DocScrutinizer: esc, v, move the cursor Aug 16 14:49:54 called 'visual mode' Aug 16 14:50:43 DocScrutinizer51: It's in extras-testing and the promotian was rejected. It should be easy through, I think a apt-get source dosbox, patch and dpkg-buildpackage should do it. Aug 16 14:52:32 when it's in testing, then there has to be a bugtracker link to point you to where such bugfix should get posted Aug 16 14:54:25 DocScrutinizer51: No it has not a bugtracker: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/dosbox/0.73-7maemo5/ Aug 16 14:54:43 DEMOTE!!! Aug 16 14:54:52 tbh Aug 16 14:54:54 sure when dosbox eats cpu like mad by polling user input, then it's been rejected for promoting for good reason Aug 16 14:55:00 the check should be automatic Aug 16 14:55:07 if something doesn't have a bug tracker, reject Aug 16 14:55:19 * MohammadAG pokes X-Fade Aug 16 14:55:57 yay, rsync complete Aug 16 14:56:06 now to index 13gb of music Aug 16 14:56:10 :/ Aug 16 14:56:21 lol Aug 16 14:56:36 * RST38bis politely asks the Tentacled One to either disconnect .gr from the Net completely, or make it stop doing what it is currently doing Aug 16 14:56:56 what's .gr? Aug 16 14:58:32 greece? Aug 16 14:58:36 RST38bis: what's up? Aug 16 14:58:43 yes Aug 16 14:58:49 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.gr = win Aug 16 15:00:01 aquatix: hot, humid, internet cheap but unstable Aug 16 15:01:33 aquatix: + it looks like the whole country shuts down for Monday afternoon, no idea why Aug 16 15:02:01 mmh, the application manager on my N810 says (no applications installed) Aug 16 15:02:56 dpkg -l shows installed packages, though Aug 16 15:03:16 ~seen javispedro Aug 16 15:03:17 javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 81d 14h 3m 34s ago, saying: 'oh.. aisleriot solitaire with clutter/3D vista-like animations! port port port !'. Aug 16 15:04:43 * RST38bis also met a wifi ap that does not like powersaving, for the first time. Guess those poor complaining souls were right after all... Aug 16 15:04:55 doesn't the application manager just run dpkg -l to get the list? Aug 16 15:06:47 So if anyone has some spare time, could he/she please compile dosbox with int28? Aug 16 15:07:12 RST38bis: ah, right Aug 16 15:21:21 has anyone tried a 'remote wipe' of an N900 activesync client? Is it just the exchang-ish stuff? (i.e. can the system recognise that as a 'ive been stolen' cue and nuke other things? even wait for PUK code?) Aug 16 15:22:01 err, is that even implemented in the n900?` Aug 16 15:22:13 i see the option there on owa but im not game to try it Aug 16 15:22:27 frals: the rest of activesync seems to be Aug 16 15:22:38 i guess thats my question :) Aug 16 15:23:04 dont think the n900 supports remote wipe since it isnt a provisioned device in exchange eyes but dunno Aug 16 15:23:42 it doesn't support it Aug 16 15:23:49 the MfE team wanted to add support Aug 16 15:23:58 but they couldn't get whatever was required Aug 16 15:24:07 mental sanity? Aug 16 15:24:09 it's also unclear *how* to remote wipe w/ a Flash based file system Aug 16 15:24:27 i think the only real way to support it is for the entire file system to be encrypted Aug 16 15:24:28 timeless: dd if=/dev/zero? Aug 16 15:24:37 kerio: have you ever used a flash based file system? Aug 16 15:24:41 do you know how it works? Aug 16 15:24:45 nope Aug 16 15:24:55 among fun things, dd tends to fail when it hits errors Aug 16 15:25:02 and flash based files systems are built assuming errors Aug 16 15:25:09 hmm Aug 16 15:25:12 what about the eMMC? Aug 16 15:25:17 timeless: nope, no encryption required for MfE remote wipe -- at least, not full encryption. You just need OS signature to ensure you're running a controlled OS, AFAIK Aug 16 15:25:19 they also tend to remap fields Aug 16 15:25:26 eMMC is no different when you get down to it Aug 16 15:25:38 you aren't really directly addressing a raw array of bits Aug 16 15:25:51 you're addressing a wear-leveled system Aug 16 15:26:02 which intentionally avoids writing to the same locations Aug 16 15:26:10 timeless: interesting (about the sync/wipe) thanks. Aug 16 15:26:14 meaning the data that was there before what you tried to replace Aug 16 15:26:20 is almost certainly going to be there Aug 16 15:26:28 because that's the *last* place the system wants to write Aug 16 15:26:50 cheriff: basically, the MfE team is aware and really wants to help Aug 16 15:26:58 but the technology kinda sucks Aug 16 15:27:00 im impressed exchange support works as well as it does! Aug 16 15:27:14 w/ crypto, it's vaguely possible Aug 16 15:27:19 which is more than i can say for MSs own Entourage on mac :/ Aug 16 15:27:24 if you can ensure that the *only* place which held the cert is destroyed Aug 16 15:27:41 cheriff: yeah, my manager hates entourage Aug 16 15:27:47 i dunno, for me, it more or less works Aug 16 15:27:57 but i didn't become a Mail.app/iCal.app addict Aug 16 15:28:09 i just use my n900s :) Aug 16 15:28:13 and yeah, they work ! :) Aug 16 15:28:27 cheriff: entourage works fine? Aug 16 15:28:54 the old Palms which required a physical battery to retain memory were some of the few devices where remote wiping really works :) Aug 16 15:28:59 i find it usable enough, just weirded out that it resorts to polling teh server every 7 mins. Phone gets emails instantly, pc gets it (time % 7) mins later :) Aug 16 15:29:09 everything else is kinda a lot of hand waving Aug 16 15:29:19 unless they really rewrite each sector a dozen times or something Aug 16 15:29:28 cheriff: same thing on outlook Aug 16 15:29:31 cheriff: heh Aug 16 15:29:45 * timeless uses 30min sync w/ n900 Aug 16 15:29:51 i get mail too often to want constant updates Aug 16 15:30:03 and 99.99% of it is spam Aug 16 15:30:27 I went to 3h email fetching Aug 16 15:30:45 timeless: true. although a simple delete, enough to stop some damn kid who stole my phone from reading work email would be a good 1st pass. holding up to determined espionage can wait :) Aug 16 15:31:02 but no big deal, i' just curious, really Aug 16 15:31:11 cheriff: for that, you can get smoeone to make a third party app... Aug 16 15:31:30 keep in mind that the people who buy and provision really are worried about espionage Aug 16 15:31:35 cheriff: there's a stolen N900 project Aug 16 15:31:48 cheriff: "phone home" or something Aug 16 15:32:17 timelsee: i wasn't aware wipe relied on provisioning. so there you go, for my ignorance :) Aug 16 15:32:45 regarding encryption, I heard that the omap does support hardware crypto acceleration, but I could only find a module for hash (sha1 & md5) acceleration in the kernel source. Aug 16 15:33:55 which also has to be modified, i think a asm define is wrong in this driver. Aug 16 15:34:12 tobis87: i'm pretty sure we've announced that harmattan will include more encryption support Aug 16 15:34:18 and yeah, that's coming from hardware Aug 16 15:34:52 supporting things from a cpu requires resources Aug 16 15:35:18 so if things aren't required by a project, they don't generally get resources Aug 16 15:35:19 timeless: nice Aug 16 15:35:36 hildon is dead http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/commit/624231109e727e7b4c21c9f1a526ff191c309e5a Aug 16 15:35:40 since the only thing for fremantle which could have really required the crypto was mfe, and it didn't get a go ahead,... no crypto Aug 16 15:35:40 timeless: I wouldn't mind sha1 hardware generation on the next interation Aug 16 15:36:17 TomaszD: that's old news from last week mate Aug 16 15:37:06 my, this is the first time I connected to the N810 via ssh - wonder what's wrong, it is _slow_ - something like 10 seconds from typing something until there's a reaction Aug 16 15:37:21 timeless: i know that it requires resource. i had a nice experience with the new via nano processor. which also has crypto acceleration, but we always got wrong results from the hash engine, it turned out that it was a hardware fault. via forgot to connect the three highest bits in 32-bit eax/ecx to the padding generator. Aug 16 15:37:23 CutMeOwnThroat: PSM Aug 16 15:37:35 ? Aug 16 15:37:37 tobis87: awesome Aug 16 15:37:54 CutMeOwnThroat: Power Save Mode isn't playing nice with your router Aug 16 15:38:36 crashanddie, oh, you're saying it goes to sleep all the time? What's the router got to do with it? Aug 16 15:38:57 so I keep hitting the touch screen? Aug 16 15:40:52 CutMeOwnThroat: no, power save mode is a wifi thingie, has nothing to do with the screen. What it basically means is that the n810 is saying "I'm sleeping for 580ms, keep my messages 'till then", but the router doesn't understand this, and sends everything through immediately, and then the n810 asks "Hey bro, you got anything for me?" And the router doesn't reply, as it doesn't understand what he's asking... Aug 16 15:41:44 thats an awesome explanation :) Aug 16 15:42:53 hehe Aug 16 15:42:57 any workaround? Aug 16 15:43:26 TomaszD: BS, hildon is mature Aug 16 15:43:51 and yes... nice explanation :) Aug 16 15:44:04 wow Aug 16 15:44:06 ~ping Aug 16 15:44:07 ~pong Aug 16 15:44:28 TomaszD: I agree they could have chosen a less pathetic wording Aug 16 15:44:38 I actually disconnected the ethernet cable, went up one flight of stairs, plugged back in to my office's ethernet, and I'm still connected! Aug 16 15:44:54 it happens... Aug 16 15:44:58 don't rely on it, though Aug 16 15:45:38 sometimes I put the laptop into sleep mode for 5 minutes, then go back and the ssh i had opened is still active Aug 16 15:45:55 CutMeOwnThroat: the best way to see if it's the PSM that's screwing with your N810, check a few wireless networks and see if you have the same issue Aug 16 15:46:09 yeah - handy for when moving from desks to meeting rooms, etc. can just close the lid. Aug 16 15:46:11 tobis87: (3 highest bits) ouuuuch Aug 16 15:46:12 if not, then change your router, for something that actually works Aug 16 15:46:46 if you still have the problem on every single network you try, it may be something else, dunno what though, as I've only seen this in relation with PSM Aug 16 15:46:47 Hi again Aug 16 15:46:48 mmmh, both not easy Aug 16 15:47:33 no open wireless around here, as a rule Aug 16 15:47:34 but thanks Aug 16 15:47:45 Someone have try Khweeteur ? Aug 16 15:47:46 not even at starbucks/mcdonalds? Aug 16 15:48:02 kht_n900: twitter is for twats, so not me :P Aug 16 15:48:28 twats ? could you trad ? Aug 16 15:48:32 crashanddie, but that wouldn't become visible when using the network from the tablet? Aug 16 15:48:48 hmm... come to think of it... perhaps it did... didn't use the net so much here Aug 16 15:50:15 DocScrutinizer: Yes, files up to 512mb were correct, after that it broke. The padlock engine is messed up anyway, via nano stepping 2 fetches to many bytes when using aes acceleration and vmx support was also broken, but they forgot to disable it in the bios. Aug 16 15:50:58 ~psm-fault is power save mode is a wifi thingie, has nothing to do with the screen. What it basically means is that the n810 is saying "I'm sleeping for 580ms, keep my messages 'till then", but the router doesn't understand this, and sends everything through immediately, and then the n810 asks "Hey bro, you got anything for me?" And the router doesn't reply, as it doesn't understand what he's asking... Aug 16 15:50:59 okay, DocScrutinizer Aug 16 15:52:42 anyway, going back home Aug 16 15:52:45 'later all Aug 16 15:52:50 asdf Aug 16 15:53:10 tobis87: EE's nightmare - find a severe bug after first bunch of 100k has been manufactured Aug 16 15:53:32 DocScrutinizer: I think they pushed it into the market, because they wanted to compete with the intel atom, the via nano is faster than the atom in superpi and it supports long mode. But the atom feels faster because it supports hyperthreading. Aug 16 15:54:11 :-D Aug 16 15:55:29 hello Aug 16 15:55:50 Someone know how to automatically open network connection in a qt apps ? Aug 16 15:56:21 -ve Aug 16 15:57:36 DocScrutinizer: And the worst of all, gcc fails to compile in long mode. Therefore gentoo x86_64 is a no go on the nano. Aug 16 15:58:02 long mode? Aug 16 15:58:17 64bit Aug 16 15:58:32 My atom board is running 64bit debian right now :) Aug 16 15:58:53 need quick help here : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51147 Aug 16 15:58:56 ShadowJK: The new ones do support it? Aug 16 15:59:43 atom board! Aug 16 15:59:45 tobis87, long mode has been/is disabled on laptop versions, enabled on desktop versions iirc Aug 16 16:00:25 ShadowJK: But if I can remember correctly, the atoms don't support out of order execution. Aug 16 16:01:18 via is a bit strange. The via-made boards are 3 times more expensive than third party boards with via, but I haven't heard of a third party via board that's stable.. Aug 16 16:01:30 would any binary *rely* on out of orser execution? Aug 16 16:02:01 no it's a performance thing Aug 16 16:02:24 sure Aug 16 16:02:37 ShadowJK: Yes, video drivers for linux on via boards are a nightmare! Aug 16 16:05:02 I vaguely remember a lkml thread where a third party via board only was stable under windows because it came with a binary blob that fixed timings to work around board bugs, because they were too lazy/incompetent to change the via bios to do it Aug 16 16:05:27 so it either booted or didn't boot windows, bit of luck required, and if it did, it was stable Aug 16 16:05:45 but never survived a day in linux :) Aug 16 16:05:54 tobis87: yeah atoms are in-order, hence hyperthreading is actually more useful there than it mihgt've been on say P4: rather than stall, get the execution units progressing on the other thread. Aug 16 16:06:46 ooo takes up so much silicon :) Aug 16 16:13:34 bump! Aug 16 16:13:55 bounce! Aug 16 16:14:02 need quick help here : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51147 Aug 16 16:14:34 n900 mini monitor-queen beecon Aug 16 16:14:52 image not found Aug 16 16:14:55 ?? Aug 16 16:15:20 cheriff: if there wouldn't be 20 years old programs for x86, which still have to run. it wouldn't really make sense to transform x86 instructions into micro ops internally. but intel failed with the itanium. I like the idea from transmeta to emulate x86 instructions, hardware faults like these from via could easily got fixed. Aug 16 16:17:53 I mean look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_QQchhMqHo , adding nopl support after 10 years!:-D Aug 16 16:21:03 lol@you guys keeping connections alive that way Aug 16 16:21:28 hmm... is it only me or http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/2010/08/16/three-interesting-maemo5-bits/ doesn't have post text? Aug 16 16:21:35 i can plug an ethernet cable while i'm connected via wifi and all traffic goes through the ethernet Aug 16 16:21:43 same router, same ip Aug 16 16:21:49 gotta love ARP Aug 16 16:29:20 so... preorders for the N8 are open Aug 16 16:29:38 less maemo, less space, more megapixels Aug 16 16:29:42 :/ Aug 16 16:36:06 kerio: it's likely to be the last N series phone with Symbian. Aug 16 16:36:45 kerio: of course, the new C series and the E series will remain symbian. Aug 16 16:43:37 It is damn a shame that nokia did not kill symbian in N series *this* year, as promised Aug 16 16:43:38 oh, and what program can tell me how much free space the root partition has? df doesn't print anything Aug 16 16:44:09 * Arkenoi played with N8 prototype, it sucks Aug 16 16:44:12 err? Aug 16 16:44:23 actually hardware damn rules, but symbian sucks Aug 16 16:44:36 df *should* print _something_ Aug 16 16:45:12 UI sucks, absense of unified communications sucks Aug 16 16:46:06 well, it prints Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on Aug 16 16:46:09 UI sucks a bit less than 5800/n97 but it is still eversucking symbian touch with its lousy inability to recognize simple intuitive gestures like tap and scroll properly Aug 16 16:46:15 On symbian I'm mostly annoyed by the lack of apps, and the nightmareish APIs and devtools Aug 16 16:46:23 if I do df -h . in $HomE Aug 16 16:46:35 or df -h / Aug 16 16:46:38 remove the . Aug 16 16:46:52 then it only shows the memory card, not the root filesystem Aug 16 16:47:09 oh, actually not Aug 16 16:47:11 thanks... Aug 16 16:47:14 weird behavior Aug 16 16:47:35 No . is the "current directory", so it just shows that fs Aug 16 16:47:48 has anyone tried to boot maemo via vbox ? Aug 16 16:47:52 and if you feed it nonsense, it wont find a matching fs and shows nothing Aug 16 16:48:09 ShadowJK, I know... but it didn't Aug 16 16:48:17 x act ly Aug 16 16:48:21 . is on the same partition as / in $HOME Aug 16 16:48:45 nope Aug 16 16:48:54 df -h / does the same Aug 16 16:49:03 $HOME is not on same fs as /, unless something is wrong Aug 16 16:49:53 * DocScrutinizer51 suspect pebcak Aug 16 16:50:27 what part of "df -h /" also prints nothing is it that you don't understand? Aug 16 16:50:42 but you're right, plain "df -h" does Aug 16 16:50:43 copy paste resukts of plain df? Aug 16 16:50:58 also of 'mount' Aug 16 16:51:15 (to pastebin type site) Aug 16 16:51:57 also ofr 'df /' Aug 16 16:52:33 http://pastebin.com/NzDNhTSr Aug 16 16:53:42 oh, N810 :-) Aug 16 16:53:56 I said that up there somewhere ^^^^^ Aug 16 16:54:02 CutMeOwnThroat: now that's definitely odd Aug 16 16:54:07 not so very recently, though Aug 16 16:54:13 why os mtdblock4 both on initfs and /... Aug 16 16:54:40 ah it's probably just df confused Aug 16 16:56:26 for reference: http://paste.debian.net/83701/ Aug 16 16:56:33 DocScrutinizer, btw. want to add to the factoid that one can switch PSM off in the connection manager for certain connections? Aug 16 16:56:36 df / doesn't work on my N810 either :) Aug 16 16:57:04 am i missing something: can only select dialing acct (cellular or SIP) a) globally or b) on dialpad? Aug 16 16:57:13 so /home is on the internal sd card on the N900? Aug 16 16:57:20 yep Aug 16 16:57:37 I just an N900 :D Aug 16 16:58:06 what's the pymaemo stuff? Aug 16 16:58:26 bindmounts to move python to internal sd too Aug 16 16:59:05 The battery was emptwont turn on Aug 16 16:59:27 if it's empty, dont try turn it on Aug 16 16:59:29 The charing ligth is on thoug Aug 16 16:59:30 CutMeOwnThroat: but as I noticed just now, that's N810 Aug 16 16:59:38 ShadowJK: How long should I wait Aug 16 16:59:54 right... Aug 16 17:00:34 CutMeOwnThroat: (PSM) that's not correct afaik, it's a global setting for all connections Aug 16 17:00:46 is it continous on, or is it blinking/glowing? Aug 16 17:01:15 The ligth is yellow Aug 16 17:01:28 I don't think it is glowing Aug 16 17:01:49 ~flatbatrecover Aug 16 17:01:50 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Aug 16 17:02:10 what infobot says Aug 16 17:03:14 If you just got an n900, and the battery was low like that, there's a nonzero chance the battery has taken some damage, depending on how long it has been empty. they dont like being empty Aug 16 17:03:29 yep Aug 16 17:03:30 DocScrutinizer, I just did that.... and you find it on the N810 when you re-enter/accept all data for the connection, then use the little "advanced button" and select "other"... if that's global, then that fact is well-hidden Aug 16 17:03:54 nevertheless it is Aug 16 17:04:12 DocScrutinizer, and I just checked another connection and there it says "Power saving: On (maximum)" Aug 16 17:04:30 check advanced settings for a different connection, they changed as well Aug 16 17:04:39 duh Aug 16 17:04:40 that's what I just did and it isn't Aug 16 17:04:45 do anyone know why there is the same version gconf-editor sitting in both maemo4 extra and extra-devel? Aug 16 17:04:48 that's new Aug 16 17:05:12 (nevermind me, i didn't have 'use for telephone numbers' enabled, but it still showed in the dialer. it does work as I expected. nice) Aug 16 17:05:18 maybe that's just the power then (10/100mW) but not the PSM Aug 16 17:05:38 might make sense Aug 16 17:05:51 might be... didn't touch the 10/100mW... didn't see any use changing that Aug 16 17:06:09 PSM is AP specific, while TX power is independent of association to any AP Aug 16 17:06:33 What did a blincking ligth mean? Aug 16 17:06:34 CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for pushing my nose into it Aug 16 17:06:51 tx power thing is only like useful if you're in france anyway, where you can only use 10mW outdoors Aug 16 17:07:24 xae8koo, it shines, it stops shining, it shines, it stops shining Aug 16 17:07:25 xeor: amber blinking indicator? means the device booted up to act_dead minimal system and is charging Aug 16 17:07:36 xae8koo: ^^ Aug 16 17:07:38 uhm .. 10mW .. how far goes that with line of sight? 15m? Aug 16 17:07:45 DocScrutinizer Aug 16 17:08:00 *revenge highlight* Aug 16 17:08:03 DocScrutinizer, and thanks for the "plain df" thing... I might never have tried that and noticed... :) Too much output, so I always tried to supply a specific directory Aug 16 17:08:15 cehteh, "glue to AP" Aug 16 17:08:33 I love this phone Aug 16 17:08:38 It is so fancy! Aug 16 17:08:41 cehteh, probably. Maybe they are lmited on space so they cant build houses at 100mW range from eachother :P Aug 16 17:08:43 cehteh: 10 times TX power means double the range Aug 16 17:09:52 ideally .. but in practice i suspect 10mW is worse than half the range of 100mW Aug 16 17:09:58 how do you end up with "twice" ? Aug 16 17:10:04 cehteh: and, depending on your receiver mostly, as well as on gain of your TX antenna, 10mW may have a range of 100km Aug 16 17:10:13 :-D Aug 16 17:10:17 yeah in practice Aug 16 17:10:17 3.3-fold range ideally, I'd say Aug 16 17:10:29 100mW is usually advertized as 400m ... Aug 16 17:10:32 500km Aug 16 17:10:48 We're getting 500-600Km on 10mW@433MHz in the uk Aug 16 17:10:52 kirma: nope, it's cubic Aug 16 17:10:55 balloon-ground. Aug 16 17:10:55 ^3 Aug 16 17:10:57 50bps rtty Aug 16 17:11:08 How do I install easy debian, or anything for that matter? Aug 16 17:11:12 4/3 r^3 pi Aug 16 17:11:36 Application Manager - menu - catalogs, enable maemo.org Aug 16 17:11:39 browse apps Aug 16 17:11:39 * cehteh speaking about consumer access points with stump antennas and n900 .. not 3m dishes on each side Aug 16 17:11:42 not exactly, but more alike it than ^2 Aug 16 17:12:09 surface area of a sphere grows with r^2, volume with r^3. area is what matters Aug 16 17:12:41 unless the air is particularly non-transparent at the wavelength, but it's not the case with normal wlan Aug 16 17:12:46 means would 10mW even be practical for Wlan access on your balcony .. prolly thats already unreliable Aug 16 17:13:08 nope, it isn't Aug 16 17:13:35 Hi Aug 16 17:13:48 (unreliable) Aug 16 17:13:48 isnt practical or isnt reliable? Aug 16 17:13:51 :) Aug 16 17:14:31 it's wireless, it's unreliable by definition Aug 16 17:14:41 anyway i set my AP to 'highest transmit power' ... marking my terrain ;P Aug 16 17:14:54 cehteh: given above facts quoted, if 100mW = 400m then 10mW = 200m Aug 16 17:15:12 DocScrutinizer: err - those aren't facts. Aug 16 17:15:20 It's 1/r^2, not 1/r^3 Aug 16 17:15:21 whatever Aug 16 17:15:26 that are facts ... in a ideal physical world Aug 16 17:15:35 uhuh Aug 16 17:15:38 may actually work on the moon when you on the rim of a crater :) Aug 16 17:15:40 how that? Aug 16 17:15:44 Unless you're making other assumptions. Aug 16 17:16:01 With a clear line of sight, and neglecting noise, signal drops as 1/r^2 Aug 16 17:16:05 transmission ideally is sperical Aug 16 17:16:11 spherical Aug 16 17:16:17 when they say 400m they probably mean big antenna on both sides :) Aug 16 17:16:21 The _area_ of a sphere grows as r^2 Aug 16 17:16:26 but in practice the casing already absorbs a bit, there is a lot noise around, reflections and all crap Aug 16 17:16:37 the signal is diluted by the area, so it's 1/r^2 Aug 16 17:16:40 so surface of a sphere with twice the diameter is what exactly? Aug 16 17:16:54 yeah my AP hardly reached 30m ... but thats inside a old building Aug 16 17:16:56 ooop Aug 16 17:16:58 s Aug 16 17:16:59 4*, not 8* Aug 16 17:17:40 damn coffe :-( - need to run buy milk, it seems it doesn't work without Aug 16 17:18:04 SpeedEvil: sorry, of course you're right Aug 16 17:20:49 one has to notice that a relatively thin obstruction can reduce signal strength by 10 decibels, which equals roughly to doubling distance to the access point... and human is also reasonably good insulator Aug 16 17:21:21 multipathing also tends to reduce the efficiency from what it could be in unobstructed environment Aug 16 17:23:04 also, plain direct line of sight isn't enough, but obstructions slightly away from the path can affect the situation, depending on the wavelength Aug 16 17:25:29 * GAN900 boggles at abill's new 200-post thread. Aug 16 17:28:10 yo, how do I make a forward in wiki? Aug 16 17:28:36 GAN900, indeed. boggles is exactly the right word for it. Aug 16 17:29:13 What is the name of the infared remote on the N900? Aug 16 17:30:36 I love this phone! Aug 16 17:31:33 #REDIRECT [[asdf]] Aug 16 17:31:39 if anyone's interested. Aug 16 17:31:51 thought I might make some wiki fixes. Aug 16 17:32:25 Hi... when i open the ovi map on n900, this download about 0,5MB... why? i'm in roaming mode... and this is expensive... Aug 16 17:32:30 is a bug? Aug 16 17:34:55 it does all sorts of stuff like checking for new maps, downloading maps if you don't have them, and so on.. Aug 16 17:36:20 i have ALL maps downloaded.... Aug 16 17:36:35 rlinfati, wow, impressive Aug 16 17:37:00 yep... now i not close ovi maps... but is not a real solution... Aug 16 17:37:28 almost... on roaming mode.... the ovi maps need disable this check Aug 16 17:38:34 I just staid offline when roaming Aug 16 17:38:39 seemed easiest Aug 16 17:40:06 but, i want a fast gps lock... and need a data conection .) Aug 16 17:43:44 just wait until the automatic check for software updates kicks in, it uses alot more than 0.5M :) Aug 16 17:45:33 yeah, stay offline while roaming... Aug 16 17:45:55 xae8koo: irreco, qtirreco Aug 16 17:47:06 ShadowJK: i disable the SSU:) Aug 16 17:48:10 GAN900: heh, abill_uk started an own thread to stay away from 'normal worlds' and also to scoop up all the trolls there? great idea :-P Aug 16 17:50:25 rlinfati: didn't you read the warning on first start of maps app? it says exactly that: "high data transfer volume! be warned... own risk and bill, bla bla" Aug 16 17:54:25 anyway I strongly suggest we get app specific netfilter rules, plus a convenient GUI to set/enable/disable them, plus an API to do same via d-bus Aug 16 17:54:59 It would be nice to get the meego to a state where one can update to the latest version from a repository directly from within meego (or the chroot) so you don't have to rebuild a new image and whatnot.. Aug 16 17:55:26 disabling the whole netfilter/iptables thing in stock kernel for sure wasn't a brilliant idea Aug 16 17:56:00 wait what? why the hell are they disabled? Aug 16 17:56:17 How do I install skype? Aug 16 17:56:39 xae8koo: installed by default, at least on the n900 Aug 16 17:57:30 mece, afaik yes, that's why mobilehostspot needs a custom kernel Aug 16 17:58:09 BCMM_: Where do I find it? Aug 16 17:58:23 Settings > IM accounts Aug 16 17:58:25 or similar Aug 16 17:58:54 mece, well... things work that way everywhere except nokia world :) Aug 16 17:59:44 ooh well. since there are custom kernels... Aug 16 18:00:16 xae8koo, if you bought your phone in india you need to flash international firmware to get skype. Aug 16 18:00:33 Norway Aug 16 18:01:04 Settings > IM accounts Aug 16 18:01:13 How bout MSN? Aug 16 18:01:14 * MohammadAG VNCs into N90 Aug 16 18:01:20 telepathy-haze, install it Aug 16 18:01:23 no Aug 16 18:01:24 pecan Aug 16 18:01:27 haze blows. Aug 16 18:01:41 pecan doesn't allow nicknames Aug 16 18:01:41 in my opinion. Aug 16 18:01:47 pecan blows, imo :P Aug 16 18:01:58 haze eats batteries like there's no tomorrow Aug 16 18:02:01 :P Aug 16 18:02:19 really? Aug 16 18:02:25 well at least more than pecan Aug 16 18:02:45 in my experience. although it's been about 6 months since I tried haze, so it could be improved. Aug 16 18:03:01 s/be/have been/ Aug 16 18:03:02 mece meant: in my experience. although it's have beenen about 6 months since I tried haze, so it could be improved. Aug 16 18:03:07 damn Aug 16 18:03:10 that failed Aug 16 18:04:35 wasn't haze having the liblongcat dependency?:) Aug 16 18:09:17 Hello Aug 16 18:10:07 I have a little problem on my n900, searched TMO and the rest of the web but did'nt find anything relevant, so I'd like to ask here before flashing my device... Aug 16 18:10:21 usually searching TMO leads to nothing and trolls Aug 16 18:10:21 :) Aug 16 18:10:25 ! Aug 16 18:10:56 I have no more sms and missed call notifications, e-amils are ok Aug 16 18:11:11 (no vibration, led, sound, popup, nothing !) Aug 16 18:11:46 for smses, the conversation sw opens, but its preview in the task manager doesn't indicate there is a new msg Aug 16 18:12:23 I run PR 1.2 with a lot of devel stuff (I don't mind the occasionnal instability at all, but this is annoying :D) Aug 16 18:12:28 any ideas ? Aug 16 18:13:05 poussah: You've installed something from devel which bfroke stuff. This is why there are warnings. Aug 16 18:13:24 poussah: Using anything like tweakr, N9Presetor Custom Ringtones? Aug 16 18:13:30 nope Aug 16 18:14:20 @Jaffa, II know the risks of devel, but before removing a whole big bunch of apps or flashing, I prefer to ask here if anyone had the same preblem recently Aug 16 18:16:56 poussah: nope. Would be nice if you report back after you found what's causing the problem Aug 16 18:18:31 poussah: do you get your usual ringtones on inbound calls? Aug 16 18:18:46 lo Jaffa Aug 16 18:18:49 DocScrutinizer: sure, will do... not much time to look for it right now, though, could be a few days. Google gave me someone who had the same problem but it was solved by a reboot. Not the case here though. Aug 16 18:19:03 DocScrutinizer: yes yes, no problem with that Aug 16 18:19:37 but if i don't answer, it's like it never appenened, except in the calls log Aug 16 18:19:38 The irreco Aug 16 18:19:42 poussah: ...so that you can report bugs to the appropriate developers, I assume? :) Aug 16 18:19:46 How can I make it work for my TV? Aug 16 18:20:19 Jaffa: well if i can link that to a specific app, sure i will report it Aug 16 18:20:29 do you have anything that tampers with /etc/mce/mce.ini ? like e.g. led pattern editor, or wibrator settings or something similar Aug 16 18:20:31 ? Aug 16 18:20:56 LPE yes Aug 16 18:21:07 but I set it like 3 months ago Aug 16 18:21:16 restore /etc/mce/mce.ini to default state Aug 16 18:21:33 and there hasn't been an update recently, i think (checking now) Aug 16 18:21:39 yep, will try that Aug 16 18:21:39 * DocScrutinizer wonders how to actually acomplish that Aug 16 18:21:52 accomplish what, restore ? Aug 16 18:21:58 yep :-D Aug 16 18:22:09 LPE makes a backup, if I remember correctly Aug 16 18:22:20 (left the phone in the car, can't check right now...) Aug 16 18:22:27 I maybe wouldn't trust into that either Aug 16 18:22:43 lol Aug 16 18:23:21 google might help. If no success in locating original file, come back here, somebody may pastebin it Aug 16 18:23:35 LPE not updated in 3 months... Aug 16 18:23:48 gotta go, I'll report if I ever solve it :( Aug 16 18:23:56 thx Jaffa and DocScrutinizer :-) Aug 16 18:28:45 xae8koo: qtirreco is simpler Aug 16 18:29:48 darn he's gone - forgot to advice him to check mtime of mce.ini, to get a clue what actually messed it - if anything Aug 16 18:31:09 kerio: I think it is what I have, not sure though Aug 16 18:33:33 it is qtrecco Aug 16 18:33:37 Still it doesnt work Aug 16 18:33:57 it's not the tv, it's the remote Aug 16 18:34:08 there's a database of *remotes* Aug 16 18:34:25 I think it was messy Aug 16 18:49:41 Dammit, qtrecco doesn't work with my tv Aug 16 18:49:43 Doesn Aug 16 18:49:52 't have an auto search feature? Aug 16 18:51:27 xae8koo, the IR is TX only Aug 16 18:51:45 hi Aug 16 18:51:55 I need some help with cross-compiling mplayer Aug 16 18:52:15 using scratchbox, everything seems to work fine Aug 16 18:52:26 cc nicely produces arm binaries Aug 16 18:52:38 but then it chokes on some assembly Aug 16 18:52:44 arm/dsputil_arm.S:113: Error: bad instruction `ldm r1,{r4-r7}' Aug 16 18:52:45 etc Aug 16 18:53:08 anyone got an isea of what I'm doing wrong here? Aug 16 18:54:19 * Stskeeps glances at talk.maemo.org and just shakes his head. Aug 16 18:56:25 Stskeeps, what, maybe you don't want to "increase megapixels" huh? Aug 16 18:56:53 TomaszD: 640x480 ought to be enough for everyone! Aug 16 18:57:16 word Aug 16 19:00:48 * MohammadAG opens tmo Aug 16 19:01:27 * MohammadAG sees "+ As anyone can see, some apps on the iPhone can enlarge the photo from 2 Megapixel (iPhone 2G-3G) to 4-5 Megapixel, and somehow to 7 Megapixel but the photo still in good quality." Aug 16 19:01:30 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Aug 16 19:01:39 yeah so... Aug 16 19:01:50 wtf? Aug 16 19:01:54 reencode picture, use worst decompression, make image 10MBs in size Aug 16 19:02:06 call it resizing image Aug 16 19:02:12 haha Aug 16 19:02:13 laugh at all idiots believing it Aug 16 19:02:22 nono, make it like 10000x10000 pixels Aug 16 19:02:34 oh, nevermind Aug 16 19:02:39 * mortini is context-illiterate. Aug 16 19:02:48 a million! Aug 16 19:27:14 * DocScrutinizer drive-by types *YAWN* Aug 16 19:38:33 greetings Aug 16 19:39:04 aloha Aug 16 19:40:23 I just modded the intake of my bike Aug 16 19:40:34 great sound it has now Aug 16 19:41:29 Does it sing? Aug 16 19:42:03 well, depends Aug 16 19:42:38 Like, real music. Aug 16 19:42:58 Not any of this stupid "like beautiful engineering" shit. Aug 16 19:43:01 well, it's just a 125cc engine, so it's not going to rival a 650 or 1000cc Aug 16 19:43:19 so I'm guessing the answer would be "no" Aug 16 19:43:45 HAI Aug 16 19:43:49 CAN HAS stdio? Aug 16 19:43:52 CAN HAS TMO-ADMIN? Aug 16 19:43:56 I HAS MAYI Aug 16 19:43:59 GIMME MAYI Aug 16 19:44:00 lolcode <3 Aug 16 19:44:03 IZ MAYI LIKE "OK"? Aug 16 19:44:07 YARLY Aug 16 19:44:10 GONAUSE KILL-ALL FRO TMO-ADMIN Aug 16 19:44:20 * crashanddie hands DocScrutinizer a happy pill Aug 16 19:44:23 KTHNXBYE Aug 16 19:44:48 also, a 7 megapixel image is easy to create from a 2 megapixel image Aug 16 19:46:04 eh? Aug 16 19:48:19 feels like COBOL :-P Aug 16 19:49:59 Kids these days. Aug 16 19:51:00 I'm lost Aug 16 19:51:19 best thing of cobol: STOP RUN Aug 16 19:51:38 feels like LOLCODE :-P Aug 16 19:51:45 * timeless cries Aug 16 19:54:50 woops Aug 16 19:55:44 * timeless can't figure out how to get a usb device to talk to OSX or VBox Aug 16 19:56:16 timeless: you have osx and vbox running on it? Aug 16 19:56:22 watch 'darkstar" :-) Aug 16 19:56:30 i have two macs Aug 16 19:56:38 a G5 and a MBP(intel) Aug 16 19:56:39 double problem Aug 16 19:56:41 i understand Aug 16 19:56:48 the MBP has VBox Aug 16 19:56:59 i want to use a Pinnacle USB TV thing Aug 16 19:57:01 well, we can start sorting out simpler problem Aug 16 19:57:08 ouch Aug 16 19:57:11 ouch Aug 16 19:57:16 that needs overlays and shit Aug 16 19:57:21 ?? Aug 16 19:57:34 oi Aug 16 19:58:39 all those USB TV come with windose drivers. If you're *very* lucky you can find linux drivers for older models Aug 16 19:58:54 i think that's why he uses virtualbox Aug 16 19:59:01 it's an old model, circa '8 Aug 16 19:59:07 err '98/'99 Aug 16 19:59:13 oi Aug 16 19:59:20 if you don't have a MacOS driver coming with the DVB-stick, then you're probably busted Aug 16 19:59:21 usb? Aug 16 19:59:41 11 years old usb tv device? Aug 16 19:59:48 Pinnacle Studio PCTV USB Aug 16 19:59:52 that was usb 1.0 Aug 16 19:59:58 yeah, so? Aug 16 20:00:05 is usb1.0 not supported? Aug 16 20:00:13 12Mbits Aug 16 20:00:17 streaming video over usb1.0? Aug 16 20:00:18 so? Aug 16 20:00:23 all i want to do is watch tv Aug 16 20:00:24 how that even worked? Aug 16 20:00:45 it did Aug 16 20:00:52 * timeless used it in 98 or 99 Aug 16 20:00:59 well enough to watch tv Aug 16 20:01:03 thing is that usb passtrough is not going to happen on osx Aug 16 20:01:16 ? Aug 16 20:01:19 what do you mean? Aug 16 20:01:30 i have usb crypto passing from my mac to vbox Aug 16 20:01:32 to w7 Aug 16 20:01:47 (smart card reader) Aug 16 20:01:53 there are two ways of doing passtrough Aug 16 20:01:54 why should this device be "special"? Aug 16 20:02:04 * timeless listens Aug 16 20:02:05 full passtrough Aug 16 20:02:16 which presents device as is to guest Aug 16 20:02:20 fake passtrough Aug 16 20:02:31 which emulates device to guest using host drivers Aug 16 20:02:41 um, ok Aug 16 20:02:48 vbox allows full passthrough, doesn't it? Aug 16 20:02:59 if not vbox, then vmware or parallels Aug 16 20:03:01 but it needs drivers for it Aug 16 20:03:10 I once tried linux -> windows vbox full usb passthrough for a tv tuner and it crashed spectacularly every time Aug 16 20:03:14 and cpu with pacifica/vanderpool Aug 16 20:03:18 timeless: this won't be your hapiest day today Aug 16 20:03:51 doc: i've had a number of unhappy days Aug 16 20:03:52 and usb tv stick is probably not going to work very well in any non native setup Aug 16 20:03:56 erhm, I thought fake passthrough required drivers, rather than the opposite Aug 16 20:04:06 but technically my unhappy day was yesterday when my scart supporting LCD died Aug 16 20:04:18 (or rather: gave up the ghost, it had been dying for a while) Aug 16 20:04:29 crashanddie: no special driver are required on host side for fake passtrough Aug 16 20:04:32 this is hardly a stick Aug 16 20:04:43 crashanddie: vbox just talks to device and that's all Aug 16 20:04:46 http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.manifest-tech.com/images/pc_video/pinn_pctv/pctv_system_cables.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.manifest-tech.com/media_pc/pinn_pctv.htm&h=130&w=188&sz=6&tbnid=2Towh2_L30VYMM:&tbnh=71&tbnw=102&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPinnacle%2BStudio%2BPCTV%2BUSB&usg=__orsWFjzbBLhK8aPUno5WpsRkniI=&sa=X&ei=uZlpTP_uN-idOKyM0bkF&ved=0CC0Q9QEwBQ Aug 16 20:04:51 like any normal app would do Aug 16 20:05:11 passing trough real device is harder Aug 16 20:05:19 because you need more controll Aug 16 20:05:30 as that guest may tell device to modify/read memory Aug 16 20:05:43 jacekowski: I guess I'm confused in the lingo, nvmd me Aug 16 20:05:47 timeless: if you manage to get one of those to work tell me, i have a pinnacle dvbt tuner too and it doesn't work with eyetv :( Aug 16 20:06:06 crashanddie: are you sure there are no native drivers avaliable Aug 16 20:06:12 hmm, not you Aug 16 20:06:17 timeless: you Aug 16 20:06:53 why don't you buy apple tv Aug 16 20:07:04 um... Aug 16 20:07:11 how much? and how's it work? Aug 16 20:07:21 i don't own the mac w/ vbox Aug 16 20:07:21 lol Aug 16 20:07:22 it has steves blessing Aug 16 20:07:24 i own the g5 Aug 16 20:07:27 the iTV sucks Aug 16 20:07:31 (it's now called iTV) Aug 16 20:07:36 i'm in scart land Aug 16 20:07:43 http://www.apple.com/appletv/ Aug 16 20:07:52 it's an underpowered mac mini with crappy, locked-down software Aug 16 20:07:53 hmm, not that Aug 16 20:08:27 it doesn't have scart in Aug 16 20:08:33 timeless: it does have sort of Aug 16 20:08:36 so i don't see how it's useful Aug 16 20:08:37 not *in* Aug 16 20:08:43 not in? Aug 16 20:08:46 oh, that sucks Aug 16 20:08:54 that's why i don't like apple Aug 16 20:08:55 http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html Aug 16 20:09:01 nah, scart is crap Aug 16 20:09:06 having it is a sign of a bad product Aug 16 20:09:20 timeless: pff, you should buy tv series from the iTunes Music Store! Aug 16 20:09:33 shit should standarise on ethernet for everything Aug 16 20:09:41 kerio: ... Aug 16 20:09:47 i should buy my programming in finnish? Aug 16 20:09:47 anyways Aug 16 20:09:55 i want to go and watch eureka Aug 16 20:09:55 after i agree to a finnish license agreement? Aug 16 20:10:04 i'd ike to watch eureka Aug 16 20:10:08 it runs here sometimes Aug 16 20:10:18 it runs on torrents for me Aug 16 20:10:29 do you want http link for it? Aug 16 20:10:37 from fast server all 3 seasons Aug 16 20:10:56 nah, i like legal content Aug 16 20:10:59 bitmetv > http Aug 16 20:11:02 well, it's legal Aug 16 20:11:02 i get eureka legally here Aug 16 20:11:08 how? Aug 16 20:11:11 it's legal to record stuff Aug 16 20:11:23 and then share Aug 16 20:11:29 well it's legal but it ain't 100% legal, they want you to l33ch from home or certain designated places Aug 16 20:11:32 'share' has some restrictions Aug 16 20:11:49 'broadcast' isn't allowed Aug 16 20:12:13 slingbox is ok Aug 16 20:12:25 i could probably make arrangements to sling from my parents.. Aug 16 20:12:56 anyway, can we try a solution? Aug 16 20:13:03 i want *something* Aug 16 20:13:12 i don't want to lose more than ~600EUR for the solution Aug 16 20:13:18 timeless: i think vmware/parallels will work Aug 16 20:13:19 try the trial Aug 16 20:13:22 i currently have one cinema display (17"?) Aug 16 20:13:25 kerio: ok Aug 16 20:13:32 wait Aug 16 20:13:35 well, it's less "think" and more "hope" Aug 16 20:13:37 hrm, ok Aug 16 20:13:48 they both offer trials iirc Aug 16 20:14:07 https://nct.tryparallels.com/fulfill/0285.001 ? Aug 16 20:14:25 dunno Aug 16 20:14:46 right.. so... Aug 16 20:14:51 my mac is a G5 Aug 16 20:15:00 running 10.5. Aug 16 20:15:11 it has firewire and usb... Aug 16 20:15:24 my sound system uses optical audio Aug 16 20:15:36 i want *something* which can work w/ optical audio Aug 16 20:15:45 that could be something which runs on the g5 (which is already using it) Aug 16 20:16:00 optical audio is useless Aug 16 20:16:21 optical audio :/ Aug 16 20:16:24 i want something which can work w/ DVI (same as above) although i could live w/ HDMI if it didn't break the bank (see limit above) Aug 16 20:16:27 yeah, don't know Aug 16 20:16:30 crashanddie: i hate cabling Aug 16 20:16:37 optical audio cabling Aug 16 20:16:47 except w/ idiotically designed boxes Aug 16 20:16:51 timeless: until you step on it Aug 16 20:16:55 (see handan cv7700) Aug 16 20:17:25 i want something which can record a program M-F Aug 16 20:17:35 or has at least 25 slots Aug 16 20:18:11 wow, parallels requires 400+mb of disk space Aug 16 20:18:23 anyway, where was my shopping list Aug 16 20:19:24 support for English UI :) Aug 16 20:19:36 support for SAP and subtitles :o Aug 16 20:19:47 hello Aug 16 20:19:52 !list Aug 16 20:19:53 timeless, clearly you need an Intel upgrade. Aug 16 20:19:55 timeless: external bawks, or something for the mac? Aug 16 20:19:56 ability to hide channels which are locked Aug 16 20:19:57 Also: EyeTV? Aug 16 20:20:02 ottoliere2: wrong channel Aug 16 20:20:03 kerio: not picky Aug 16 20:20:20 gan900: we /think/ EyeTV requires an intel upgrade Aug 16 20:20:29 which more or less breaks the budget Aug 16 20:20:33 timeless, dunno about the latest. Aug 16 20:20:36 it doesn't :/ Aug 16 20:20:40 the latest doesn't work on ppc Aug 16 20:21:04 but there's at least *one* version that works afaik Aug 16 20:21:08 I have an EyeTV 200 and 500 that worked on my dual 2.5 Aug 16 20:21:12 Maybe ebay? Aug 16 20:22:14 This virtual hard disk cannot be processed because something is wrong with it. Please contact the Parallels support team for assistance. Aug 16 20:22:20 yay! Aug 16 20:23:01 * timeless thinks this is fun Aug 16 20:23:06 lol Aug 16 20:23:13 new w7 install? :) Aug 16 20:23:17 anyone have a sample parallels vm w/ some tiny linux i can try? Aug 16 20:23:22 i don't have a license for that Aug 16 20:23:29 new windows something install? Aug 16 20:23:35 timeless: vmware fusion Aug 16 20:23:37 there's something zen about installing VMs Aug 16 20:23:39 timeless, why Parallels? Aug 16 20:23:50 gan900: because someone told me to try it Aug 16 20:23:52 so i'm trying Aug 16 20:24:03 try both Aug 16 20:24:03 VMWare is better these days. Aug 16 20:24:30 * Arkenoi prefers virtualbox Aug 16 20:24:39 anyway, can someone point me to a linux based machine i could try that would actually work w/ parallels? Aug 16 20:24:44 arkenoi: i use vbox Aug 16 20:24:50 but it isn't working here for this stupid device Aug 16 20:24:55 so i'm trying something else Aug 16 20:25:12 i want a network of VMs Aug 16 20:26:06 easily done Aug 16 20:26:11 started a small community ssu, upgrades the mp-fremantle-generic-pr package, current fixes: hildon-desktop, hildon-home, hildon-status-menu, hildon-application-manager Aug 16 20:26:35 timeless: yeah but i cba actually making it Aug 16 20:26:36 MohammadAG++, though i think it's a bit early Aug 16 20:26:49 with 2GB of free ram, you can easily run between 2 and 8 VMs, depending on the OS you're trying to run Aug 16 20:27:01 ooh Aug 16 20:27:06 it offers me Download Chrome OS Aug 16 20:27:12 that sounds liek a good thing to try Aug 16 20:27:13 I don't have any hopes for a PR1.3 anytime soon Stskeeps, anyways, it's meant to be a small experiment Aug 16 20:27:22 Hello guys ! Aug 16 20:27:23 cute! Aug 16 20:27:32 although Hexxeh's build is probably better Aug 16 20:27:38 Stskeeps, plus I don't think it would conflict with PR1.3 when that comes out Aug 16 20:27:45 s/liek/like/ Aug 16 20:27:45 timeless meant: that sounds like a good thing to try Aug 16 20:27:59 timeless: i herd u liek chromeos Aug 16 20:28:01 kerio: I recycled an old machine running debian, with 4GB of RAM, and ran some 10 VMs on it Aug 16 20:28:03 mohammadag: you're dreaming Aug 16 20:28:19 timeless, don't we all? Aug 16 20:28:27 aren't we** Aug 16 20:28:28 there's no spoon etc. etc. Aug 16 20:28:40 crashanddie, whatever :) Aug 16 20:29:10 I got an an strange error on Khweeteur ... application closed ... without any error segfault ... after many minutes or more Aug 16 20:29:13 * lcuk sighs Aug 16 20:29:26 * MohammadAG sighs back, I know I know Aug 16 20:29:28 someone have an idea on how i can trace what happen ? Aug 16 20:29:50 use gdb snd attach and repeat Aug 16 20:30:02 timeless on device ? Aug 16 20:30:17 gdb for a python apps Aug 16 20:30:37 it s like using a rocket launcher to kill a moskito Aug 16 20:30:56 bah tracy is @ a reception and jake is being a shitbag Aug 16 20:30:58 Khertan: pdb Aug 16 20:32:05 lcuk: what's he doing? Aug 16 20:32:14 MohammadAG: nice :-D Aug 16 20:32:42 just not listening Aug 16 20:32:45 sure Aug 16 20:32:48 or use gdb-server Aug 16 20:33:12 lcuk: slap him? Aug 16 20:33:12 it's a python app Aug 16 20:33:13 * lcuk doesn't think he can install gdb on jacob Aug 16 20:33:14 use pdb Aug 16 20:33:39 lol crashanddie nah Aug 16 20:33:50 he doesnt like balloons Aug 16 20:33:56 and the reception is full of them Aug 16 20:34:04 balloon :3 Aug 16 20:34:06 lcuk: threathen him that if he doesn't stop, you'll never stop the icecream van ever again Aug 16 20:34:21 lol Aug 16 20:34:32 no, we walked 5km yesterday to find an ice cream van :) Aug 16 20:34:39 * lcuk won dad of the century for that one Aug 16 20:35:38 I'd probably had to walk 500km to find one Aug 16 20:35:43 Icecream van? Make mine a 99! :-P Aug 16 20:35:47 lol Aug 16 20:36:13 lcuk: you're the best there ever was ;) Aug 16 20:36:13 we don't normally have to search, he stops outside my window and deafens me normally Aug 16 20:36:27 andre__, its gone dark Aug 16 20:36:45 ice cream men are like anti-vampires - you never see them out at night Aug 16 20:37:41 crashanddie, we had just gone for a short walk, but it turned into a whole epic trek, and as we got round corner from home this ice cream van was there, was like a mirage in the desert or something Aug 16 20:38:04 ok, parallels is booting chrome os Aug 16 20:38:08 "I can see it, it's just there" Aug 16 20:40:54 * DocScrutinizer muses why this icecream van concept is mostly unknown in Germany Aug 16 20:41:51 we have actual ice cream here Aug 16 20:41:53 :/ Aug 16 20:44:10 DocScrutinizer, dunno Aug 16 20:45:04 wow Aug 16 20:45:10 parallels recognizes the name of my usb device Aug 16 20:45:15 that's better than OSX/VBox Aug 16 20:50:19 so, can someone explain how to use usb devices in parallels? :) Aug 16 20:51:04 ooh Aug 16 20:51:07 click usb icon, click device Aug 16 20:51:13 device gets connected to VM Aug 16 20:51:19 parallels recognized my device attach and let me tell it i wanted to use it in the vm Aug 16 20:51:40 I was going to download 1,3 gb at burgerking, but I forgot and used the 3,5g network :( Aug 16 20:51:45 font sizes in chromeos are crap Aug 16 20:52:09 lol Aug 16 20:52:26 does chromeos have a terminal? Aug 16 20:52:36 i guess not? Aug 16 20:52:40 i guess it has xterm? Aug 16 20:52:48 \_O_/ Aug 16 20:52:54 try alt+f2 Aug 16 20:53:01 or just, you know, ctrl+alt+f1 Aug 16 20:53:06 MohammadAG, cool. Aug 16 20:53:33 um, how do i get rid of capture? Aug 16 20:54:42 ah, ctrla-lt Aug 16 20:54:51 rtfm Aug 16 20:54:58 and i mean that with all the love in the world :) Aug 16 20:55:00 what m? Aug 16 20:55:15 parallels' m, i guess Aug 16 21:01:04 ~ubuntu kerio Aug 16 21:01:05 * infobot lovingly explains to kerio in a way that causes kerio to weep with gratitude that kerio must read the fine, friendly manual Aug 16 21:01:22 screw that Aug 16 21:01:27 he wouldn't understand Aug 16 21:01:29 ~debian kerio Aug 16 21:01:30 * infobot tells kerio to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Aug 16 21:01:53 DocScrutinizer: it's not me :/ Aug 16 21:02:00 nice Aug 16 21:02:19 for ones MohammadAG did that thing and didn't have _my_ nick in there ;) Aug 16 21:02:34 ~tybollt Aug 16 21:02:35 rumour has it, tybollt is some bloody idiot Aug 16 21:03:17 :) Aug 16 21:10:32 hi Aug 16 21:10:38 MohammadAG51: make sure settings_product-info and other common ways to inquire version do show a clue about those upgrades Aug 16 21:11:01 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=752676&postcount=51 is this possible without rd mode? Aug 16 21:11:07 sry timed out Aug 16 21:14:56 skyscraper_: what part of the message don't you understand? Aug 16 21:15:06 "The need for R&D mode will be fixed soon, I didn't save how I did last time so I'll need to figure it out again." Aug 16 21:15:27 crashanddie: thougt maybe anyone fixed it ;) Aug 16 21:17:21 is r-d mode risky??? Aug 16 21:19:33 it's bad for battery life Aug 16 21:19:43 why Aug 16 21:20:46 and the gainroot app from extras is not bad for battery? Aug 16 21:23:00 DocScrutinizer: www.wo-ist-der-eismann.de ;-) Aug 16 21:25:05 hum.... all away? Aug 16 21:26:23 do i loss warranty with rd mode? Aug 16 21:32:39 kerio: and if pdb and ipython exit with status 0 how to debug and understand what happen ? Aug 16 21:33:42 skyscraper_: no you won'z Aug 16 21:33:46 t Aug 16 21:34:24 DocScrutinizer: ok so i can enable it without probs Aug 16 21:34:27 skyscraper_: and why the heck should gainroot have any impact on battery life? Aug 16 21:35:13 DocScrutinizer: why infects rd mode battery life? Aug 16 21:35:54 why should I know? I never tested it :-D Aug 16 21:36:05 rd mode propably enables quite a lot of stuff besides few bits in one shell =) Aug 16 21:36:32 r&d mode doesn't enable any bit in any shell Aug 16 21:36:55 dockane_: lost in translation Aug 16 21:36:58 can i easily disable it, after trying out ubuntu 9.10? Aug 16 21:37:40 it enables some funny blinking on kbd (which btw would for sure create some useless drain on battery), also it stops a few safeguards so you can mess up device more thoroughly and still get a boot Aug 16 21:38:01 i didnt mean rd enables other stuff than getting a root access in shell Aug 16 21:38:28 yes, obviously Aug 16 21:38:39 r&d != rootsh Aug 16 21:38:48 doctoc "obvious" scrutinizer51 to the rescue! Aug 16 21:39:10 can i kill my device completely with r&d enabled?? Aug 16 21:39:17 sure Aug 16 21:39:26 and without i cannot? Aug 16 21:39:31 as easily as without - just use a sledgehammer Aug 16 21:39:44 but then again you can kill it just as easily without r&d mode ;) Aug 16 21:39:58 skyscraper_: you are fast learner! Aug 16 21:40:10 xD -.- Aug 16 21:40:48 so... Aug 16 21:41:05 whlie i was able to get parallels to recognize the device name Aug 16 21:41:16 it hasn't managed to give the device to a linux vm Aug 16 21:41:17 i only want to tryout ubuntu 9.10 Aug 16 21:42:00 you don't even need r&d mode enabled to kill your device Aug 16 21:42:10 but it's mildly easier to kill w/ r&d mode Aug 16 21:42:49 timeless: yes. in the dark you'll aim on it easier with the sledgehammer Aug 16 21:43:04 due to the kbd blinking Aug 16 21:43:33 how to disable r&d? Aug 16 21:43:39 if you have the kbd blinking on, then yeah :) Aug 16 21:43:46 same way you enable it Aug 16 21:43:46 skyscraper: roughly the same way you enable it... Aug 16 21:44:26 flasher-3.5 --disable-rd-mode Aug 16 21:44:27 ? Aug 16 21:44:35 (if on) right, there's been a sysnode to control that Aug 16 21:44:42 typically flasher-3.5 isn't in your path.. Aug 16 21:44:49 but otherwise, yeah Aug 16 21:45:04 xd Aug 16 21:45:10 ./flasher-3.5 --disable-rd-mode Aug 16 21:45:17 :p Aug 16 21:45:35 that's more likely to work =b Aug 16 21:46:42 * DocScrutinizer thinks he's missing the right emoticon fontpage Aug 16 21:47:44 W°.°W Aug 16 21:48:36 * skyscraper_ is downloading Ubuntu 9.10 for N900 atm Aug 16 21:48:45 moin Aug 16 21:48:53 moinmoin Aug 16 21:49:05 moin DocScrutinizer Aug 16 21:54:29 ooh Aug 16 21:54:45 according to parallels JeOS has bound to my usb device Aug 16 22:26:04 This cgroups thing is worrying me Aug 16 22:30:20 ShadowJK: why does cgroups worry you? Aug 16 22:30:33 iiuc fremantle has some cgroups stuff Aug 16 22:31:12 yeah Aug 16 22:31:49 So I found a conf file with a shitload of application categories, rules putting apps into different categories Aug 16 22:32:07 and memory limits (or guarantees?) for then Aug 16 22:32:08 them Aug 16 22:32:49 I'm wondering, when device has been in use a week or whatever, and processes have fattened up to reach those limits, what happens? Aug 16 22:34:07 Yesterday, after efforts to keep n900 running as long as possible, I was in a situation where with nothing open, there was a constant 2-5 Meeg/sec activity to/from swap Aug 16 22:34:17 and everything was painfully slow Aug 16 22:34:56 du you have `bigger' file trees on there? Aug 16 22:34:58 but as far as top sort by mem, memory use looked ok. I couldn't figure out why it'd be feeling so much memory pressure Aug 16 22:36:02 Nope, no complicated file trees Aug 16 22:36:29 It I/O deadlocked itself before I could figure it out :( Aug 16 22:36:38 heh Aug 16 22:36:39 hm Aug 16 22:36:58 so, fwiw, the cgroups category stuff scared me too when i looked at it last week Aug 16 22:37:12 mine one once hung after (re-)starting maemo mapper + location test... Aug 16 22:37:24 but my impression was that the maemo5 impl was fairly limited Aug 16 22:37:31 when it was still waiting for a gps fix Aug 16 22:37:38 and that you'd need maemo6 to truly suffer :) Aug 16 22:37:53 so i believe you're chasing the wrong criminal Aug 16 22:38:10 this is just a juveile delinquent waiting to grow up into a real villain Aug 16 22:38:18 s/ei/eni/ Aug 16 22:38:18 timeless meant: this is just a juvenile delinquent waiting to grow up into a real villain Aug 16 22:39:39 lol Aug 16 22:40:01 timeless, so what happens if Xorg is in some system critical cgroup and some unnamed app causes Xorg to allocate and touch 80 megs of ram? :) Aug 16 22:43:22 I should mention that what ultimately triggered the "unrecoverable" swapstorm was accidentally opening a forum thread with about 100 megabytes (raw) of images.. :) Aug 16 22:44:09 I did a killall on browser and browserd afterwards, and thry came back lean and fresh Aug 16 22:44:24 but everything I tried to do caused a swapstorm :) Aug 16 22:44:51 just keylock on/off generated about 200 megabytes of swap io Aug 16 22:46:48 ShadowJK: haha. nice. Aug 16 22:48:51 having flashbacks of when 128 MB was a lot of memory... Aug 16 22:49:51 and 300mb hdd was massive Aug 16 22:52:09 Now 256 is woefully small :) Aug 16 22:52:27 Heh... N900 phone app didn't work well when call came during full screen youtube video.. :P Aug 16 22:52:40 define didn't work well? Aug 16 22:52:49 Had to reboot before audio returned Aug 16 22:52:56 pulseaudio :P Aug 16 22:53:11 that isn't supposed to break Aug 16 22:53:16 can you repeat? Aug 16 22:53:18 * PolarFox thinks so too Aug 16 22:53:29 i'll call you if you need an incoming call... Aug 16 22:53:30 Well.. I can't get anyone to call me at this hour.. Aug 16 22:54:12 btw phone app... has anyone managed to send dtmf using an n900? Aug 16 22:54:21 But I can't repeat the exact scenario.. as I can't keep a normal profile during the night Aug 16 22:54:30 But I can test it tomorrow. Aug 16 22:54:30 nox: it works w/ +1800555TELL Aug 16 22:54:40 in pr1.2 Aug 16 22:54:45 hm Aug 16 22:54:51 w/POTS, SIP and Skype Aug 16 22:55:01 well, SIPs Aug 16 22:55:14 * timeless isn't going to call a us number w/ SIP ... Aug 16 22:55:32 if you have a skype account, you can try that number... Aug 16 22:55:34 * nox- was unable to check the money in the prepaid account using his n900... Aug 16 22:55:40 err Aug 16 22:55:44 that is *not* DTMF Aug 16 22:55:51 oh Aug 16 22:55:52 loser Aug 16 22:55:59 asks me to hit a 2 or something Aug 16 22:56:17 anyway, try using skype to call the number above Aug 16 22:56:32 skype doesn't bill you for toll free numbers Aug 16 22:56:53 so you can use that to confirm for yourself that DTMF works Aug 16 22:57:03 what does gsm/3g use when you hit digits during a call? Aug 16 22:57:31 typically when people complain about prepaid checks, they aren't asking about dtmft Aug 16 22:57:53 s/dtmft/dtmf/ Aug 16 22:57:54 timeless meant: typically when people complain about prepaid checks, they aren't asking about dtmf Aug 16 22:58:25 they typically are complaining about USSD iirc Aug 16 22:59:08 however, part of the support for USSD was included w/ PR1.2 too Aug 16 22:59:10 anyway Aug 16 22:59:16 1. what version of Maemo 5 are you using? Aug 16 22:59:25 2. please get a skype account and try that number Aug 16 22:59:26 btw... xscreensaver live backgrounds are cool. Aug 16 23:00:01 * timeless pokes polarfox: Aug 16 23:00:10 it's 2am, i'm willing to call you, but i need a phone number :) Aug 16 23:00:15 ah no doesnt look like that, here you just dial a number and it talks to you, `hit 1 to check balance, hit 2 to enter a cashcode... etc' Aug 16 23:00:32 hrm Aug 16 23:00:39 again, please answer the above questions Aug 16 23:00:54 if you're running old firmware, you're wasting everyone's time Aug 16 23:01:06 i _think_ i have 1.2 Aug 16 23:01:09 and if you don't confirm for yourself that DTMF works, ... Aug 16 23:01:16 open settings, go to about product (it's at the bottom) Aug 16 23:01:28 it'll give you a long number, if it starts 10.<...> it's pr1.2 Aug 16 23:01:36 if it starts w/ a number less than 10, it's old Aug 16 23:01:44 yeah says 10.2010.19-1 Aug 16 23:01:48 ok Aug 16 23:01:51 so you have 1.2 Aug 16 23:01:56 now, grab a skype account :) Aug 16 23:02:06 dont have one :) Aug 16 23:02:07 unless you're in the US ... in which case you could just call direct :) Aug 16 23:02:12 they're free! Aug 16 23:03:04 mm.. maybe another time :) Aug 16 23:03:21 nox: ok, is the number something you can share? Aug 16 23:04:42 hm i think its internal to the operator's network Aug 16 23:07:38 * timeless grumbles Aug 16 23:07:42 can you at least reveal your operator? Aug 16 23:07:45 (and country) Aug 16 23:07:52 users really suck Aug 16 23:08:44 germany, pennymobil which uses tmobile's network (and that number) Aug 16 23:09:04 (i was still looking for the number...) Aug 16 23:09:18 ... how can you be looking for the number? Aug 16 23:09:23 my number is in the logs somewhere xD Aug 16 23:09:49 surely your n900 knows it if you've called it and haven't succeeded in getting what you want done Aug 16 23:09:58 if you tap and hold on a call entry you can open contact card Aug 16 23:10:31 number seems to be 2000 Aug 16 23:10:47 heh Aug 16 23:10:53 yeah, that's not a portable number :) Aug 16 23:10:59 yeah Aug 16 23:11:02 is pennymobil pay as you go? Aug 16 23:11:13 it shouldn't be hard for us to get someone in .de to pick one up Aug 16 23:11:23 we have regular transits between .de and .fi Aug 16 23:11:40 tmobile xtracard uses the same one i think Aug 16 23:11:49 (but pennymobil is cheaper) Aug 16 23:11:53 heck, i could probably get someone from the maps team (based in .de) to do basic testing Aug 16 23:12:34 http://www.pennymobil.de/ is ugly fwiw Aug 16 23:12:58 hehe yeah Aug 16 23:13:30 i was just looking for an affordable data plan for rare use... Aug 16 23:13:37 (3 dm/day) Aug 16 23:13:40 err eur Aug 16 23:13:57 (since most of the time i have wifi) Aug 16 23:14:11 Yeah.. microphone works but speaker & headphone don't.. Aug 16 23:14:12 X-Fade: ping Aug 16 23:14:34 X-Fade: I've had that fscking annoying, stupid, Midgard bug again where it says "URL name (internal) Given name is not "clean", try 'conference-november-dublin-registration_open_and_time_running_out_for_papers'" Aug 16 23:14:36 I can't hear anything from N900 but I can hear what is said to N900 mic Aug 16 23:14:43 X-Fade: Which is fantastic, but I can't edit the stupid thing. Aug 16 23:14:54 Now tested with normal call and skype call Aug 16 23:15:10 sounds like pulse being helpful Aug 16 23:15:27 nox: it looks like one can grab a pennymobil for 5eur Aug 16 23:15:34 which for testing wouldn't be a problem Aug 16 23:15:38 Is it possible to install ubuntu packages on debian on the n900? Aug 16 23:15:48 celesteh: in theory Aug 16 23:15:55 why not install debian packages on debian... Aug 16 23:16:05 hm i think it was 9 eur or so Aug 16 23:16:06 keep in mind that package dependencies and package layouts don't give you a good chance of happiness Aug 16 23:16:16 nox: not a big deal either way :) Aug 16 23:16:18 The only working PPA thing for supercollider is the one for the pure:dyne distro Aug 16 23:16:24 especially launchpad Aug 16 23:17:14 nox: anyway, DMTF and limitted USSD should both be present in pr1.2 Aug 16 23:17:18 and btw you can enter a cashcode using *101*# too, just not check the balance Aug 16 23:17:21 which means there's something 'interesting' going on Aug 16 23:17:27 heh Aug 16 23:17:33 https://launchpad.net/~puredyne-team/+archive/ppa Aug 16 23:19:03 oh, wrong number, its 9577 on pennymobil Aug 16 23:19:27 either way, that number would require a sim... Aug 16 23:19:31 yeah Aug 16 23:19:33 nothing i can test from here Aug 16 23:19:36 yep Aug 16 23:20:44 * Jaffa wonders if the netbook battery will last longer than it takes Midgard to save a page. Aug 16 23:21:14 Heh Aug 16 23:21:41 Yay. "Connection reset by peer". I broke it! Aug 16 23:21:52 lol Aug 16 23:24:13 stop peering at your connection then Aug 16 23:24:31 they can be shy like that Aug 16 23:33:08 Yay, it saved: http://maemo.org/community/council/meego-conference-2011/ Aug 16 23:54:20 has anyone else been having trouble getting the diablo firmware for the n810? the website is complaining that my id number is wrong Aug 16 23:55:44 http://maemo.org/community/council/meego-conference-2010/ - deleted the other one Aug 16 23:55:57 hmm Aug 16 23:56:19 my device says Cellular network not available for USSD codes Aug 16 23:58:39 on the n900, does the wifi or bluetooth use more power? Aug 17 00:03:52 morning Aug 17 00:09:21 nox-: what's the problem? Aug 17 00:09:54 the dtmf problem? Aug 17 00:09:58 mhm Aug 17 00:10:07 over GSM or SIP? Aug 17 00:10:12 gsm Aug 17 00:10:17 or 3g in this case Aug 17 00:10:20 should 'just work' Aug 17 00:10:24 heh Aug 17 00:10:57 call arbitrary number, press arbitrary key on DTMF keypad, listen to tone coming in on far end Aug 17 00:11:42 * nox- wanted to check balance on pennymobil prepaid, said press $digit and keypad wasnt recognized... Aug 17 00:11:59 I'm not sure if DTMF for GSM is generated in linux domain or in cellmo domain, or even transmitted out of band over GSM Aug 17 00:12:12 but for sure doesn't depend on nmber you're caling Aug 17 00:12:36 nox-: tried reboot? Aug 17 00:12:52 hmm maybe some #s listen for dtmf and others for special out of band signals? Aug 17 00:12:59 nope Aug 17 00:13:01 nope Aug 17 00:13:25 http://tomch.com/wp/?p=116 Aug 17 00:13:33 there's just no oob signalling to far end termination Aug 17 00:13:35 rtpmux: rtpdtmfmux: RTP muxer Aug 17 00:13:42 dtmf: dtmfsrc: DTMF tone generator Aug 17 00:13:43 dtmf: rtpdtmfsrc: RTP DTMF packet generator Aug 17 00:13:43 dtmf: rtpdtmfdepay: RTP DTMF packet depayloader Aug 17 00:13:50 *nod* Aug 17 00:13:57 they're done by gstreamer iiuc Aug 17 00:14:02 that's SIP though Aug 17 00:14:10 partially Aug 17 00:14:39 dtmfsrc probably is gstreamer interface Aug 17 00:14:39 there's just no oob signalling to far end termination - even if `far end' is within operator's own network? Aug 17 00:14:51 yes, even then Aug 17 00:15:00 hm ok Aug 17 00:15:31 DocScrutinizer: docz! Aug 17 00:15:35 lemme put it that way: you're supposed to be able to feed DTMF into MT via acoustic coupling of a signal generator Aug 17 00:15:43 lo rasterman! Aug 17 00:16:06 http://www.gsm-modem.de/dtmf-gsm.html Aug 17 00:16:09 is vaguely amusing Aug 17 00:16:21 well what shall i say, now it works o_O Aug 17 00:16:23 oh feeding dtmf tones Aug 17 00:16:30 happy times, fond memories Aug 17 00:16:42 nox: it works now? heh Aug 17 00:16:59 maybe it really just needed a reboot Aug 17 00:17:33 if gstreamer is unhappy Aug 17 00:17:37 it wouldn't shock me... Aug 17 00:17:39 heh Aug 17 00:18:03 nox-: and even if there's some ootb signaling of DTMF on GSM, then for sure N900 is supposed to do all signaling pathes in parallel, just like it's usually done on SIP Aug 17 00:18:16 DocScrutinizer: how gooes? Aug 17 00:18:28 raster: starving Aug 17 00:18:47 DocScrutinizer, well it works now, probably just gstreamer was unhappy or something like that Aug 17 00:18:57 yep Aug 17 00:19:01 got some cheez-its here Aug 17 00:19:02 known effect Aug 17 00:19:14 (though not paricularly on N900 :-P) Aug 17 00:19:19 hehe Aug 17 00:20:41 on 6210 there was that bug that broke DTMF on dunno (anymore) what. Anyway it still played DTMF via earpiece transducer, but didn't send them anymore Aug 17 00:21:20 DocScrutinizer: eats! go get some grub! Aug 17 00:21:49 hmm, late at night here, and also broke Aug 17 00:22:50 ooh that sucketh :( Aug 17 00:23:11 :( Aug 17 00:24:48 GSM handles non-voice very poorly. Aug 17 00:24:55 At least the base codecs. Aug 17 00:25:16 is 3g better? Aug 17 00:25:16 They're designed to only reproduce sounds that can be emitted by the human throat. Aug 17 00:25:21 yeah Aug 17 00:25:28 So it can't do DTMF well. Aug 17 00:25:37 Hence it goes out of band Aug 17 00:26:10 Out of band to the tower at least - the tower demodulates it into in band Aug 17 00:26:21 ah Aug 17 00:28:45 probably Aug 17 00:29:07 though usually even GSM should be good enough for inband DTMF Aug 17 00:29:51 maybe not with standards conforming levels and precise frequencies, but it should be able to do Aug 17 00:30:23 the answer is not in the box, it's in the band. Aug 17 00:30:37 otoh usually even the MT detects inband DTMF and creates oob signalling for each detected event Aug 17 00:31:31 conversion to inband happens at gateway Aug 17 00:33:56 DocScrutinizer: It doesn't work well Aug 17 00:34:02 also it announces the balance right at the beginning of the call, i guess i was just curious of there also was an expiry date like with eplus prepaid... Aug 17 00:34:13 raster: thought about telling you... There's been a report in TV a few hours ago, there's really cheap nice old houses now, in several small villages of Bavaria Aug 17 00:34:15 DocScrutinizer: especially if there is any background noise. Aug 17 00:34:15 s/of there/if there/ Aug 17 00:34:15 nox- meant: also it announces the balance right at the beginning of the call, i guess i was just curious if there also was an expiry date like with eplus prepaid... Aug 17 00:35:38 SpeedEvil: yes. Noise floor is really a showstopper for GSM codecs Aug 17 00:36:33 nox-: tried *100# ? Aug 17 00:36:55 whats that? Aug 17 00:37:16 the 'frontpage' of *101*98498# Aug 17 00:37:36 at least on O2 Aug 17 00:37:59 whats 98498? Aug 17 00:38:11 i guess these things are different on every overator... Aug 17 00:38:22 operator even Aug 17 00:40:30 ~101*# is what you stated will charge up your account Aug 17 00:40:31 DocScrutinizer: okay Aug 17 00:40:46 ~forget 101*# Aug 17 00:40:47 i forgot 101*#, DocScrutinizer Aug 17 00:41:08 *101*# is what you stated will charge up your account Aug 17 00:44:36 also you could test *#101# Aug 17 00:45:18 as well as *101# Aug 17 00:48:24 hey cool *100# does work Aug 17 00:48:40 thx DocScrutinizer :) Aug 17 00:48:53 menu? Aug 17 00:49:23 sayd `message: your balance is xxx' Aug 17 00:49:27 said even Aug 17 00:49:30 mhm Aug 17 00:50:43 (and the cashcodes are much longer than five digits) Aug 17 00:51:15 yesyes Aug 17 00:52:20 that ->http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10055 is what I get on *100#, with O2 Loop Aug 17 00:53:43 the menu points are equivalent to *101# ... *108# Aug 17 00:53:51 i guess thats ussd then... Aug 17 00:54:28 btw whats `pack to go'? Aug 17 00:54:36 yep USSD Aug 17 00:54:57 and also equiv to *100*1# ... *100*8# Aug 17 00:55:14 no idea Aug 17 00:56:17 charging is *103*# iirc Aug 17 00:56:28 for o2 Loop Aug 17 00:56:41 *101# is query Aug 17 00:59:15 http://www.prepaid-wiki.de/index.php5?title=Pack-to-go Aug 17 00:59:17 crazy stuff... Aug 17 01:03:05 hmm that flatrates for calls may be nice, but for my data flat I prefer a loop-up30, which pais for the 25EUR INTERNET-L and also gives me 30EUR bonus for voice. Better deal than 25EUR internet pack-to-go L Aug 17 01:06:15 hi guya..i have a weird thing going on..i cant switch to any profile apart from "silent"..the general profile is avilable in settings but i cant switch to it.. Aug 17 01:06:26 has anyone come across such a thing? Aug 17 01:07:20 nope Aug 17 01:07:26 http://www.prepaid-wiki.de/index.php5?title=PENNY_MOBIL (sorry for de) Aug 17 01:08:59 thx DocScrutinizer ..i guess ill post in the forums..very annoying since i cant hear calls..its always on silent :( Aug 17 01:09:20 tried a reboot? Aug 17 01:09:22 strange Aug 17 01:09:40 nox-: rebooted a couple of times Aug 17 01:09:45 :( Aug 17 01:10:06 maybe you have installed some automatic profile switcher? Aug 17 01:10:23 i used a progeam called alarmed thats uses cron to switch profiles based on time..i susupect that did it..i uninstalled it and rebooted but still no go Aug 17 01:10:39 or something like tweakr and that messed up your standard profile? Aug 17 01:11:15 alarmed is pretty nice, and I doubt it will do such things, but... Aug 17 01:11:46 hmm yeah i do have tweaker Aug 17 01:11:53 ill try to uninstall that to Aug 17 01:12:04 anyway, maybe you did some mess in standard profile, and now it refuses to stich to that as it's borked? Aug 17 01:12:24 some mes..dont think i ever played with it at all Aug 17 01:12:34 tweakr, should enable you to create another profile and see if you can swtich to that one Aug 17 01:13:11 s/stich/switch Aug 17 01:14:17 i see Aug 17 01:14:26 ill re-instal it then..lol :) Aug 17 01:15:52 ehhh..uninstalling tweakr fixed it :).. DocScrutinizer" you de man" :) Aug 17 01:17:14 thx Aug 17 01:41:11 I must be dreaming. SSU Updates on N810 :-D Aug 17 01:46:22 wow. Aug 17 01:54:56 i missed a call today because of the stupid n900 Aug 17 01:55:39 the brick is becoming more and more slow and laggy everyday Aug 17 01:58:27 any clues dudes? Aug 17 02:03:03 did you install crap recently? Aug 17 02:03:12 shiny crap can still be crap.. Aug 17 02:21:29 N900dude: reboot it every so oftne Aug 17 02:21:46 * luke-jr thinks his N900 is delusional Aug 17 02:21:58 it thinks the battery level is going up without being on charge… Aug 17 02:24:12 so disappointing the n900 is Aug 17 02:24:35 1.2pr was a big freaking joke Aug 17 02:25:18 do you happen to have larg(ish) trees of files on there? Aug 17 02:25:29 it was a big disappointment that they wouldn't officially release meego for the N900 yes, but apart from that I am happy with the device Aug 17 02:25:31 nox: ignore n900dude Aug 17 02:25:33 he's a troll Aug 17 02:25:40 :( Aug 17 02:25:51 funnyface: don't feed the troll Aug 17 02:25:55 great hardware, great display, great battery time Aug 17 02:25:58 timeless: he's not wrong Aug 17 02:26:02 hehe ok :P Aug 17 02:26:02 it does get very slow over time Aug 17 02:26:07 I think something's leaking memory Aug 17 02:26:19 luke-jr, somethings, not something's. . . . :( Aug 17 02:26:33 luke: pr1.2 was an update Aug 17 02:26:33 sure...fanbois.... missing calls because buttons are all fucked up is good in your eyes right? Aug 17 02:26:38 it might not be perfect, but it was an update Aug 17 02:26:44 GeneralAntilles: why are you trying to teach me bad grammar? Aug 17 02:26:54 timeless, in many ways it was more regression than update. Aug 17 02:27:02 timeless: I can't comment on that statement, mine came with PR 1.2 Aug 17 02:27:04 luke-jr, no, my point was several things are clearly leaking, not just one. :P Aug 17 02:27:06 gan: really? Aug 17 02:27:10 timeless, really. Aug 17 02:27:13 luke: wow Aug 17 02:27:17 something's is correct :P Aug 17 02:27:21 GeneralAntilles: then correct it without ruining my grammar? :P Aug 17 02:27:25 Funnyface, of course it's correct. Aug 17 02:27:26 * timeless didn't know we'd shipped n900s w/ 1.2 Aug 17 02:27:31 It was wordplay. Aug 17 02:27:32 Yeesh Aug 17 02:27:35 timeless, you don't. Aug 17 02:27:48 actually...considering nokia is dumping maemo why am i surprised 1.2 was/is shit ? Aug 17 02:27:49 timeless, http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Developer_Device_Queue Aug 17 02:28:23 N900dude, because, like many of us, despite 5 years of repeated and forceful demonstrations to the contrary, we still kind of believe Nokia might do the right thing? Aug 17 02:28:40 unreal Aug 17 02:28:54 I'd take the N900 just for the hardware to be honest, it's a great device Aug 17 02:29:25 Funnyface: I think I can agree with that, except for the closed specs Aug 17 02:29:25 basic functionality of answering an incoming phone call is fucked up.... i dont have a lot of stuff installed... the n900 just is getting worse over time Aug 17 02:29:33 n900: i'm pretty sure 1.2 more or less predated meego Aug 17 02:29:37 N900dude: it's not a phone. don't expect it to act like one. Aug 17 02:29:40 so that's not a useful connection Aug 17 02:29:53 luke-jr: you're joking right? Aug 17 02:29:58 N900dude: no Aug 17 02:30:03 i mean, you're welcome to draw whatever random conclusions you like Aug 17 02:30:11 but that one's a bit too far out there Aug 17 02:30:24 luke-jr: then why have the phone functionality if it's going to be fucked up? Aug 17 02:30:37 oddly, that's called demand Aug 17 02:30:44 N900dude: it wasn't going to originally, that was just added because it was trivial Aug 17 02:30:54 why do you think nokia made the booklet, which has an integrated cellular modem? Aug 17 02:31:06 it isn't a phone Aug 17 02:31:08 but it has a modem Aug 17 02:31:12 N900dude: it's a tablet with phone functionality. the core of the layout of the UI isn't supposed to be the same as what you see on a "phone" where the "phone" features are the easiest accessible ones Aug 17 02:31:17 nokia decided there was some demand Aug 17 02:31:22 original N900 specs said data-only ;) Aug 17 02:31:38 luke-jr, that was more PR than anything. Aug 17 02:31:40 I am just curious: are there any non fanbois in this chat room ? Aug 17 02:31:46 N900dude: me Aug 17 02:31:55 luke-jr, original specs said the next device would SUPPORT data. Aug 17 02:31:56 everyone here knows I'm very cricial of Nokia Aug 17 02:32:01 but I stick to real criticism :P Aug 17 02:32:03 n900dude: luke-jr generally bashes nokia Aug 17 02:32:15 but he has fairly reasonable arguments Aug 17 02:32:18 N900dude: it's a bit like expecting your laptop to be a landline phone, just because it has a dialup modem in it Aug 17 02:32:22 gan is not a fanbois, he is also a criitic Aug 17 02:32:25 but he too has grounds Aug 17 02:32:33 i'm not even a heavy promoter Aug 17 02:32:36 My n900 does not get slow over time Aug 17 02:32:43 SpeedEvil: interesting Aug 17 02:32:49 i'm an employee, but that doesn't mean i endorse everything it does Aug 17 02:32:51 Funnyface: you work for nokia by chance? you sound like you do Aug 17 02:32:56 SpeedEvil, I find rebooting about once a day works here. . . . Aug 17 02:32:58 * luke-jr just dumped his ps -eo size,args to a file, and will try comparing it in a few days Aug 17 02:33:12 GeneralAntilles: I'm an unusual user I suspect. Aug 17 02:33:16 N900dude: nah, I'm just some random N900 owner Aug 17 02:33:25 SpeedEvil, I need to track down exactly what's eating all the RAM. Aug 17 02:33:29 GeneralAntilles: I never make calls, ... Aug 17 02:33:36 I don't really, either. Aug 17 02:33:40 * luke-jr makes calls over SIP Aug 17 02:33:41 apt-get remove modest freed some RAM for me Aug 17 02:33:42 Maybe once every few days. Aug 17 02:33:44 Ha Aug 17 02:33:49 I use Modest, though. Aug 17 02:33:54 SpeedEvil: that might be worth trying, actually Aug 17 02:34:02 I setup Modest, but I never use it in practice Aug 17 02:34:10 I don't. It does use a quite significant amount of RAM. Aug 17 02:34:33 one of my n900s has 2d5h uptime Aug 17 02:34:50 more annoying to me than the leak, though, is that Telepathy seems to screw up my accounts Aug 17 02:34:58 I get Network Error all the time for no reason Aug 17 02:35:04 tcpdump shows it never even *attempts* to connect Aug 17 02:35:06 the other only 19h Aug 17 02:35:21 that tends to be because i forget to plug them in overnight Aug 17 02:35:24 is http://84.49.158.66/ accessible to you if you don't mind testing it? :> Aug 17 02:35:30 luke-jr: Isn't the internet framework wonderful. Aug 17 02:35:38 timeless: heh, I've done that a few times when the battery is lasting a long time :P Aug 17 02:35:55 SpeedEvil: no? Aug 17 02:36:55 Funnyface, says `test' Aug 17 02:37:09 nox-: great, it works then. thanks Aug 17 02:37:56 windows webserver? Aug 17 02:38:46 I just dump files and photos into it, I don't really host anything significant Aug 17 02:39:39 heh ok Aug 17 02:39:39 who uses Windows? Aug 17 02:39:54 .oO(windows was never made to be a server...) Aug 17 02:40:19 my ISP sent me a new pain in the ass modem where port forwarding didn't work properly, and the NAT engine was generally sluggish and crashing. but I finally figured out how to disable it all to let my access point deal with it all Aug 17 02:40:34 aah :) Aug 17 02:40:50 * nox- uses freebsd as router (and now ap too for the n900) Aug 17 02:40:57 Funnyface: NAT is an ugly hack Aug 17 02:40:58 luke: i do :) Aug 17 02:41:00 just use IPv6 Aug 17 02:41:03 timeless: fail -.- Aug 17 02:41:09 it's one of the few platforms w/ decent debuggers and compilers Aug 17 02:41:17 lol? Aug 17 02:41:19 luke-jr: yep, that's the exact wording I use too :P Aug 17 02:41:33 but without it, chances are we wouldn't have been chatting here right now ^^ Aug 17 02:41:37 I liked my old ISP a lot Aug 17 02:41:38 seriously Aug 17 02:41:42 Funnyface: … Aug 17 02:42:20 I didn't need NAT with them, they just gave me a simple ethernet bridge modem, where IP ran directly on top of that ethernet Aug 17 02:42:31 I could practically get as many WAN IPs as I wanted Aug 17 02:42:38 wow Aug 17 02:42:58 no PPPoE connection, just plain IP over ethernet :P Aug 17 02:43:01 * SpeedEvil has static IP. Aug 17 02:43:15 I could have got 8 IPs if I'd have asked for free. Aug 17 02:43:17 its funny how you come here with a legitimate issue like the phone functionality being screwed up and the nokia defenders all come out of the woodwork with comments like : " i dont use phone " Aug 17 02:43:24 But I suspect not now. Aug 17 02:43:49 N900: I am not defending the problems with phone functionality. Aug 17 02:43:53 * nox- has dynamic v4 ip which shortly disconnects every 24h... Aug 17 02:44:06 single ip Aug 17 02:44:08 N900dude: It's just I can't really comment, as I have recieved 2 calls on it. Aug 17 02:44:16 the only issue I had was that my computers could end up on different subnets, so traffic between them didn't go straight over my LAN Aug 17 02:44:20 SpeedEvil: fair enough Aug 17 02:44:26 instead it went through my ISP's network and back to me Aug 17 02:45:27 funny how n900 phone works for me Aug 17 02:45:47 timeless: what's a good debugger for windows? Aug 17 02:46:12 hey angasule :) Aug 17 02:46:17 lpotter: funny how it's tottaly messed up for me Aug 17 02:47:02 i guess most windows ppl use the ms tools... Aug 17 02:47:09 hey nox! Aug 17 02:47:24 nox-: I have been using VS for a few months now, and it kinda sucks... too slow Aug 17 02:47:56 N900dude: I just think it's foolish to buy something that isn't made to be a phone, then complain it isn't a good phone. Aug 17 02:48:04 N900dude: I am not sure what you expected when you bought your N900, but I get the impression that you've got the wrong device Aug 17 02:48:09 it wasn't designed to be a good phone, *of course* it won't be a good phone Aug 17 02:48:16 lol luke, we have the same minds :P Aug 17 02:48:32 you people are unbelievable Aug 17 02:48:44 anyway personally I think an iPhone would fit better for you :P Aug 17 02:48:47 N900dude: if someone sold it to you as a phone, complain to them Aug 17 02:48:52 Funnyface: no, Android Aug 17 02:49:13 I wouldn't wish an iPhone on anyone Aug 17 02:49:17 that's just outright hatred Aug 17 02:49:27 * lpotter is on N900dude 's side about the n900 being a phone Aug 17 02:49:48 * nox- also no fanboi, i mostly just wanted a `replacement' for my zaurus... Aug 17 02:49:52 if it does voice calls, its a phone Aug 17 02:49:56 go on...laugh....you folks can only hope that your little maemo, mego or whatever the fuck nokia calls it today can compete with android/ios Aug 17 02:50:15 lpotter: I never realized my desktop was a phone! Aug 17 02:50:29 N900dude: it's not supposed to compete with Android or IOS Aug 17 02:50:39 It is sold as a phone by many vendors. Claiming it is not a phone is insane. Aug 17 02:50:39 luke-jr: are you for real dude???? Aug 17 02:50:46 nox-: as a Zaurus replacement, I am VERY disappointed in NITs :P Aug 17 02:50:56 N900dude: it's not. Symbian competes with Android/IOS. Aug 17 02:51:01 luke-jr: any call for the doc? Aug 17 02:51:06 doc? Aug 17 02:51:09 luke-jr: you're comparing desktop computing to a mobile device ? Aug 17 02:51:16 NITs? Aug 17 02:51:22 nox-: Nokia Internet Tablets Aug 17 02:51:25 smells like trolling Aug 17 02:51:26 oh Aug 17 02:51:30 N900dude: that's what I want it for Aug 17 02:51:50 luke-jr: but thats you Aug 17 02:52:02 N900dude: it's also much closer to what it was designed to be Aug 17 02:52:10 and fits within the scope of how it is marketted Aug 17 02:53:08 "raw computing power" and all Aug 17 02:53:52 angasule, yeah IDEs usually are resource hogs... Aug 17 02:55:05 nox-: VS is too much of a hog, I love my vim Aug 17 02:55:09 the n900 is a piece of shit.... you all know it.... hopefully nokia can learn from mistakes and n9 will be better Aug 17 02:56:30 angasule, yeah i mostly use vim too :) Aug 17 02:56:38 * DocScrutinizer51 shrugs, mumbles amas long as you have fun' and turns back to TV Aug 17 02:56:43 N900dude: weren't you in here a few days ago trolling the channel about how dissatisfied you were and complaining that not everyone else was so upset? Aug 17 02:56:47 get the right device for the right purpose Aug 17 02:57:08 comments like that sound so immature to be honest Aug 17 02:57:14 we get the point -- you don't like it, few people in here if any give a fuck, least of all nokia Aug 17 02:57:23 ieatlint: no. you're mistaking me with another one of thousands dissatisfied n900 customers Aug 17 02:57:28 N900dude: give me your n900, I won't complain. Aug 17 02:57:29 ieatlint: exctly Aug 17 02:58:32 angasule: give me your address... i will send you my n900....just to prove my point that it's a piece of shit Aug 17 02:59:38 N900dude: hey, I'll take it… :P Aug 17 02:59:42 no, the 3 skype phone by Amoi was a POS Aug 17 02:59:44 N900dude: either you stop this negative useless statements immediately, or find at least 5 chan users to vote for you, or get kicked in a second Aug 17 02:59:47 would be handy for my wife to have one **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Aug 17 02:59:57 2010