**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 18 02:59:57 2010 Aug 18 03:11:52 info eipi2 Aug 18 03:13:30 night everyone Aug 18 03:13:39 pronto can we sort this fucking shit oot or what i mean your supposed to be a adult ! Aug 18 03:15:55 thats the last time i fuck a dude under 25 get over yourself pronto !!!!!! Aug 18 03:19:44 who is pronto? Aug 18 03:19:51 ? Aug 18 03:19:57 need somethign ShadowJK ? Aug 18 03:20:37 Oh well drama is no fun when I have no clue who's involved Aug 18 03:20:52 Dont worry about it ShadowJK just some up his self little fag that i have wasted to many hours over and i assume has me on ignore Aug 18 03:21:13 :| Aug 18 03:22:40 * DocScrutinizer searches for popcorn Aug 18 03:22:47 bah, out Aug 18 03:24:36 DocScrutinizer, don't feel bad i'm out too Aug 18 03:25:22 it's only my popcorn that's out of supply Aug 18 03:25:46 thought I'd need some :-P Aug 18 03:26:19 hehe rgr that Aug 18 03:26:28 I suspect there wont be any show :/ Aug 18 03:26:35 yup Aug 18 03:26:40 swc|666: how goes that GPL infringement? Aug 18 03:27:57 though I'm tempted you utter my dislike of the speech Aug 18 03:27:59 luke-jr, no idea what you're talking about or what drugs you are on tonight Aug 18 03:28:09 s/you/to/ Aug 18 03:28:09 DocScrutinizer meant: though I'm tempted to utter my dislike of the speech Aug 18 03:28:28 swc|666: that binary-only kernel module NeoPwn is selling Aug 18 03:29:14 its not for sale nor is the work for the driver paid for yet Aug 18 03:29:32 you're distributing it in exchange for moneys. that's called sale. Aug 18 03:29:38 uh no Aug 18 03:30:13 How safe it is to overclock N900 to 1ghz via power kernel? Aug 18 03:30:14 i think you need to re-read the gpl there dude Aug 18 03:30:22 in any case, the GPL makes no exceptions for distribution without fee either Aug 18 03:30:35 ~tell Finnish about omap-oc Aug 18 03:30:36 Finnish: not. Aug 18 03:30:42 Finnish: that's why it's overclocking. it's NOT safe. Aug 18 03:31:03 luke-jr: finished (SCNR) Aug 18 03:31:28 SCNR? Aug 18 03:31:37 ~wtf scnr Aug 18 03:31:39 SCNR: sorry, could not resist Aug 18 03:31:46 gpl violations mean nothing for the software user cause they can't do anything legally, only the owner of the copyrighted work Aug 18 03:31:49 DocScrutinizer: I don't get it. Aug 18 03:32:02 tank-man: of course. they'll probably get away with it. Aug 18 03:32:03 luke-jr, Not safe? It will brake my phone? Aug 18 03:32:10 doesn't mean we can't give them slack over it, and refuse to buy it. Aug 18 03:32:15 Finnish: over time, yes Aug 18 03:32:35 Finnish: Nokia already ships it overclocked enough that it will fry within a year if used constantly. Aug 18 03:32:46 unless you're lucky Aug 18 03:33:23 Finnish: would you please consider reading the nice link infobot posted to you Aug 18 03:34:03 Well I don't have other needs to oveclock, but my phone slows down, always. After reboot I have to reboot it in 4-5 days, otherwise home-hildon slows me down so much I'm skipping/missing calls because phone is not that responsive Aug 18 03:34:37 that's memory usage, not CPU usage Aug 18 03:35:02 Finnish: reboot it daily Aug 18 03:35:03 Finnish: so you thought you'll overclock it maybe then it reaches that point even faster? Aug 18 03:35:05 yeah overclocking wont help.. Aug 18 03:35:11 DocScrutinizer: LOL Aug 18 03:35:36 So how can I prevent that RAM leaking or whatever that's called? Aug 18 03:35:45 * ShadowJK is starting to suspect cgroups.. though timeless said they're still mostly harmless in m5 Aug 18 03:35:54 it's probably swap fragmentation Aug 18 03:36:08 Finnish, be careful what 3rd party apps you leave running all the time. reduce the amount of widgets on your desktop Aug 18 03:36:23 Finnish: and ShadowJK is the man to tell you more about it Aug 18 03:36:24 There's more than just swap fragmentation Aug 18 03:36:45 I haven't figured it out Aug 18 03:36:58 Finnish: rebooting regularly Aug 18 03:37:14 ShadowJK: cgroups? Aug 18 03:37:28 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# uptime Aug 18 03:37:29 05:36:42 up 11 days, 17:07, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 Aug 18 03:37:42 WFM Aug 18 03:37:44 luke-jr, like "this group of processes can only use 20megs of ram" Aug 18 03:37:48 Theres an optimization script which will just restart the appropriate processes rather than do a full reboot Aug 18 03:37:53 on tmo somewhere Aug 18 03:39:04 ShadowJK, start from dpkg -L ohmd, it manages it, from there you'll find the scary conf file for it.. Aug 18 03:39:07 iirc Aug 18 03:39:31 oops Aug 18 03:39:32 duh Aug 18 03:40:17 TermanaN900: that mysterious script fist had to know what *are* the processes to restart Aug 18 03:40:33 that doesnt exist Aug 18 03:40:40 luke-jr, have a look /usr/share/policy/etc/current/syspart.conf Aug 18 03:40:58 DocScrutinizer, iirc it just kills everything, more or less Aug 18 03:41:05 lol Aug 18 03:41:09 (and upstart/dsme brings it back) Aug 18 03:41:14 kill 'em all and let init sort 'em out? Aug 18 03:41:25 muhaha Aug 18 03:41:29 good one Aug 18 03:41:29 LOL Aug 18 03:41:58 :D Aug 18 03:42:23 I prfer a clean boot anytime - though, as mentioned above - just WFM Aug 18 03:42:56 I should see how long I can go without a reboot Aug 18 03:43:00 Hmm sometimes when i reboot my n900, the interface is immediately unusable, laggy, missing icons, transitions not working etc. Aug 18 03:43:04 reboot fixes it Aug 18 03:43:10 anyone else get this? Aug 18 03:43:17 any interesting widgets running? Aug 18 03:43:27 seems I'm just a little bit more careful to my system, or maybe just more aware what's actually going on Aug 18 03:44:01 nope, i have just screen with 2 rows of shortcuts and the other 3 screens have been left as default Aug 18 03:44:35 * johnx suddenly wants to start an uptime competition at t.m.o :D Aug 18 03:44:50 last really bad situation was caused by accidentally opening a forum thread with lots of gigantic images Aug 18 03:44:51 * DocScrutinizer pulls tracker to court Aug 18 03:45:16 the swapping persisted even after I killed browser and browserd Aug 18 03:45:28 johnx: not enough rant, wn't fly Aug 18 03:45:34 * ShadowJK wonders if xorg has a memory limit it exceeded after microb bloated its heap Aug 18 03:46:30 prolly not but could use one Aug 18 03:47:03 btw flash can have absolutely same effect Aug 18 03:47:22 Xorg is a memory hog >:/ Aug 18 03:47:55 well flash has a habbit of write(1byte);fsync();fsync();fsync(); Aug 18 03:48:26 which takes about 2 seconds on ext3 on emmc Aug 18 03:50:25 ugh, I need to make a vmstat tool that uses /syspart info :) Aug 18 03:52:56 cat /syspart/applications/standby/background/memory.limit_in_bytes /syspart/applications/standby/background/memory.max_usage_in_bytes Aug 18 03:53:31 I gwt two identical numbers :) Aug 18 03:56:50 feel like a fool, reading this on N900, then jumping up and heading to laptop 2 rooms away, just to use ssh login to same N900 :o) Aug 18 03:58:49 it would be awesome to send and receiver text messages via ssh on the n900 Aug 18 04:00:17 MohammadAG51 has uttered rant about some script doing that - among other things - aiui Aug 18 04:00:49 should have hit extras-devel some days ago Aug 18 04:03:56 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-13.log.html#t2010-08-13T01:51:14 Aug 18 04:12:48 nice statistics: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=Mr_Nobu 5:2 winner is - explicit speech Aug 18 04:16:10 DocScrutinizer, hmm. That mother fucker Aug 18 04:16:12 :P Aug 18 04:25:08 lol that guy is still here? Aug 18 04:27:34 moo GeneralAntilles Aug 18 04:32:10 TermanaN900: flea power is pure poison :-P Aug 18 04:32:16 powder* Aug 18 04:36:02 hmm, too late for USA, too early for Europe? And Aussies don't answer when asked for fleapowder :-/ Aug 18 04:40:17 DigitalPioneer, heh, no poison labels on this flea powder Aug 18 04:58:30 Stskeeps: your planet maemo post is overpathos Aug 18 04:58:46 slonopotamus: don't really care, people like it Aug 18 04:58:47 :P Aug 18 04:59:23 btw, community ssu for n8x0 - ? i missed something? Aug 18 04:59:44 there's one Aug 18 04:59:49 this is mostly a n900 post though Aug 18 05:00:12 it's too shiny to be true :) Aug 18 05:03:26 yeah, got 4 updates for N810 :-D Aug 18 05:04:11 slonopotamus: i don't state anything that's not fact there, rest is just direction and ways to petition nokia Aug 18 05:30:34 (planet mer-proj blog) sounds like a SOS to me, not like the promise of a great shiny future. If meego-arm would implement a POC project about the promised forward compatibility/portability of maemo Qt apps to meego actually going to happen and feasible, that for sure would be more attracting for developers than the promise of a shiny meego future at the expense of abandoning maemo Aug 18 05:31:26 DigitalPioneer: POC? Aug 18 05:31:36 ~wtf poc Aug 18 05:31:38 POC: point of contact Aug 18 05:31:43 DigitalPioneer: it does work, why bother trying then? :P Aug 18 05:31:50 ooh nope, proof of concept Aug 18 05:32:17 DigitalPioneer: libmeegotouch and all that stuff obviously started on maemo Aug 18 05:32:44 if maemo qt apps are sane qt apps, they should run wherver qt runs, no? Aug 18 05:32:49 right Aug 18 05:33:18 I know, but then why isn't there a 'script' yet to port maemo apps? Aug 18 05:33:40 are we ignoring packaging? Aug 18 05:34:18 i guess packaging has to be converted by hand Aug 18 05:34:35 cos then it usually just bends down to running qmake or whatever Aug 18 05:34:56 lol Aug 18 05:39:49 * slonopotamus switches topic Aug 18 05:40:20 well, I'll keep the 'power user' perspective for that. As long as maemo allows me to use my N900 for a phone+palmtop (that'S what I bought it for), why should I sacrifice that for developing on meego bare bones where I can't get neither normal phone usage nor my favouite apps, even when willing to jump the configure; make; make install hoops Aug 18 05:40:59 is it time for open initfs for n8x0 yet? Aug 18 05:42:21 slonopotamus: lol? Aug 18 05:46:28 luke-jr: wut? Aug 18 05:46:46 [00:40:20] is it time for open initfs for n8x0 yet? Aug 18 05:46:51 as if it would remotely work Aug 18 05:47:00 why bother with a initfs.. Aug 18 05:47:09 what you'll want is just bme compiled for a sane os Aug 18 05:47:12 :P Aug 18 05:48:57 that's an antinom. A OS with working bme isn't sane - by definition Aug 18 05:49:30 at least THAT particular flavour of bme Aug 18 05:50:54 Stskeeps: what we want is blob-free Aug 18 05:51:08 luke-jr: join the club, but not going to happen on n8x0 Aug 18 05:51:10 especially blobs that force shutdowns Aug 18 05:51:54 and a QA that cares about backward compatibility to maemo as much as about forward compatibility to meego head Aug 18 05:53:24 that blog talks a lot about daily QA to meego head, but no word about maemo Aug 18 05:54:54 instead it tells maemo users "bye suckers, that's my last word to you" :-( Aug 18 05:56:04 sure a rather polite invitation Aug 18 05:56:45 then again you do perceive quite a lot of things with a negative connotation out of the average which does seem to understand what i'm trying to say Aug 18 05:56:48 :P Aug 18 05:58:17 I'm just applying the context framework that meego has tought me Aug 18 05:58:21 aaah Aug 18 05:58:24 :-P Aug 18 05:58:29 Stskeeps: would be nice if I could use the N810 Aug 18 05:58:37 but I can't because BME forces it to shutdown minutes after I unplug it Aug 18 06:18:29 luke-jr: disable the bme! Aug 18 06:18:30 :D Aug 18 06:18:41 … Aug 18 06:20:05 indetermination principle! if nothing is checking the battery, it sits in a entangled state of "charged" and "not charged" Aug 18 06:20:21 also brb switching battery Aug 18 06:23:35 i feel stoned!! Aug 18 06:24:34 if the power goes down in a phone alone, does it make a sound? Aug 18 06:28:18 hello Aug 18 06:28:34 I'm developing a networking game using bluez. Aug 18 06:28:49 cool Aug 18 06:28:57 But at most 3 clients can connnect to server. Aug 18 06:29:25 ya,what is it about Aug 18 06:29:29 When the 4th one connect to server, it returns "Host is down" Aug 18 06:29:45 how are you trying to connect? Aug 18 06:30:02 I don't think it is error of program Aug 18 06:30:10 socket Aug 18 06:30:38 rfcomm Aug 18 06:31:14 when I quit a client, the 4th client can connect to server Aug 18 06:31:40 Are you using psd or wlan? Aug 18 06:31:56 and is the server a mobile device also? Aug 18 06:32:04 I'm using bluetooth Aug 18 06:32:08 bluez Aug 18 06:32:19 Ah, ok. I'm not familiar with that Aug 18 06:33:12 i ahve seen bluz working with one client but have not tried mutiple clients sorry Aug 18 06:33:12 but there's a little differences between bt and wifi in socket programming Aug 18 06:34:03 I haven't heard of simultaneous bt connections used anywhere before Aug 18 06:34:08 Is there any limits on bluez device about max connections? Aug 18 06:34:15 So it may be a technical limitation Aug 18 06:34:53 but many games support multi players using bluetooth Aug 18 06:35:43 ok Aug 18 06:38:09 Does bluez' s configuration limits max connections? Aug 18 06:38:25 came1: hmm... move from a client-server configuration to a p2p Aug 18 06:39:12 p1 opens the server, p2 connects to p1, p3 connects to p2 Aug 18 06:39:45 aah Aug 18 06:40:02 I think I've read some limits apply to BT multiconnect Aug 18 06:40:22 tbh I never heard of it until a few weeks ago Aug 18 06:40:37 Please tell me about the limits apply to BT multiconnect Aug 18 06:40:46 where can I read it? Aug 18 06:41:15 there was a nice howto repartition N900 on tmo, but now I can't find it. Anyone know what the thread was called? Aug 18 06:41:30 If there're some limits, then kerio's method is a resolvement Aug 18 06:43:14 BT piconet: 1 master, up to seven active slaves Aug 18 06:43:45 but kerio's method constuct a chain. If a client is down, other clients may be affected Aug 18 06:44:25 http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:BluetoothScatternet-de.svg&filetimestamp=20060816124833 Aug 18 06:44:43 yes. I know total 8 terminals in a BT picone Aug 18 06:45:01 so i design at most 8 players in a game Aug 18 06:45:22 but now the 4th one is denied Aug 18 06:45:48 what BT profile are you using anyway? Aug 18 06:46:12 I use the default one of Diablo Aug 18 06:53:09 came1: hmm... allow two inbound connection then Aug 18 06:53:19 but balancing the net is complicated Aug 18 06:54:15 it's too complicated Aug 18 06:56:21 I'm know using 4 N800s for developing. Aug 18 06:56:25 know Aug 18 06:56:27 now Aug 18 06:57:16 I don not know much about BT profile. Aug 18 06:58:06 I'm using socket of BT rfcomm, just like INET. Aug 18 06:59:20 Will profile affect connection number? Aug 18 07:16:15 hello everybody Aug 18 07:16:28 hi there Aug 18 07:17:05 anyone managed to activate fm transmitter on n900 while on headset/mic input Aug 18 07:18:04 ??? Aug 18 07:19:22 skyscraper: sure Aug 18 07:19:29 jacekowski.org Aug 18 07:19:39 install the modified fmtxd Aug 18 07:19:58 nice ! thought its not possible Aug 18 07:20:00 the UI will still check for the headphones, so you need to use the fm widget or fmtx_client from a terminal Aug 18 07:20:08 or enable it and then plug the headphones in Aug 18 07:21:06 i want to transmit external mono-source through fmtx - so i would plug video cable with adapter and then transmit it Aug 18 07:23:41 thing is that you can enable fmtx Aug 18 07:23:45 and then plug in your cable Aug 18 07:23:51 and fmtx will keep transmitting Aug 18 07:24:21 where do i have to put in the modified fmtxd? Aug 18 07:24:44 hm. dont know gstreamer command anymore how do playback mic incput Aug 18 07:27:22 cant find original fmtxd bin Aug 18 07:27:37 Does bluez-pan is implemented in maemo? Aug 18 07:28:29 skyscraper: somewhere in sbin? Aug 18 07:29:34 Hello I have a problem with the media player ... As far as I know it should be able to play h.264 videos with aac, right? but the mediaplayer tells me format not supported Aug 18 07:30:04 in /usr/sbin Aug 18 07:30:14 @kerio Aug 18 07:30:20 If you want to take a look at the video it's available here http://tinyurl.com/2cga7ay Aug 18 07:30:52 smooph install mplayer xD Aug 18 07:31:15 mplayer doesn't work either Aug 18 07:31:59 if there is somebody here who knows his way around codecs it might have something to do with "baseline 3" but I don't understand that Aug 18 07:32:35 hm my vlc is playing many videos Aug 18 07:33:38 theres no gui but plays good Aug 18 07:33:53 try http://www.remlab.net/files/vlc/fremantle/ Aug 18 07:34:07 i thought vlc was already ported Aug 18 07:34:30 with gui??! Aug 18 07:35:00 don't think so Aug 18 07:35:28 i only know the CLI version posted above Aug 18 07:36:42 so... installed modified fmtxd - now testing with headphones connect Aug 18 07:38:28 ok so you guys think vlc should work and i will try it but why is the standard mediaplayer not working ? Aug 18 07:39:02 via fmtx desktop widget i can enable it too, while connected headphone! very nice!!! thank you. (i have no radio here to check if its work, but i'll do it later) Aug 18 07:42:09 hm Aug 18 07:42:34 audio can only routed to headset OR fmtx? right? Aug 18 07:42:41 yes Aug 18 07:42:55 why not to both? Aug 18 07:44:10 Is slashdot dead? Aug 18 07:44:13 (the interface, I mean) Aug 18 07:44:17 does anyone know gstreamer command to playback headset mic? forget it bcause 3 month ago it wasnt possible to fmtx mic input Aug 18 07:44:23 I can't access any stories, and it doesn't recognise my cookies Aug 18 07:44:56 crashanddie, borked for me too. so yeah. Aug 18 07:45:01 is this channel logged, too? Aug 18 07:45:07 skyscraper, yep Aug 18 07:45:28 where? posted the command months ago here Aug 18 07:45:32 mece: ta Aug 18 07:45:37 skyscraper: topic? Aug 18 07:45:45 skyscraper: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ Aug 18 07:47:04 Khertan: encore une autre preuve que la conf est gérée par des abrutis: les prix qu'on obtient directement des hotels est plus avantageux que les prix annoncés sur meego.com Aug 18 07:52:40 f.... cant find gstreamer command anymore Aug 18 07:53:09 anyone know if theres more suitable terminals for screen/irc use than xterm? Aug 18 07:54:07 jani: I use rxvt-unicode myself. Aug 18 07:54:12 oh Aug 18 07:54:18 sorry, disregard Aug 18 07:54:40 for N900 if i wasnt clear enough :) Aug 18 07:54:53 yeah, I didn't look at the channel name before writing the first line Aug 18 07:55:04 :) Aug 18 07:55:57 i guess xterm would be good too but id propably need to remap some keys Aug 18 07:56:28 any ideas if putty has been ported to maemo? Aug 18 07:56:47 jani: why would you want _putty_ in maemo? Aug 18 07:56:56 jani: there is ssh. Aug 18 07:56:59 lol Aug 18 07:57:11 jani: nice one, you've just put a big Aug 18 07:57:16 "noob" sign on your head :) Aug 18 07:57:20 aaahahaha Aug 18 07:57:23 eyup Aug 18 07:57:48 djeezus... new aston martin going for 7.5 million quid Aug 18 07:57:51 wtf youäre talking about? Aug 18 07:57:52 jani: but that's ok. Welcome to the world of real operating systems, finally! :) Aug 18 07:58:06 lol Aug 18 07:58:07 Hi Aug 18 07:58:10 he asked about x-term substitute, didn't talk about ssh Aug 18 07:58:33 Scelt: Putty ain't an xterm substitute Aug 18 07:58:35 Scelt: and putty is not a terminal Aug 18 07:58:39 yeah saved a note do docs. command for playback mic is! Aug 18 07:58:45 gst-launch autoaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! autoaudiosink Aug 18 07:58:53 its terminal emulator with sshä Aug 18 07:59:06 is there an alternative terminal btw? Aug 18 07:59:12 crashanddie: I know. but I'd answer the original question Aug 18 07:59:26 but for real.. last time i checked ssh didnt work wo/ terminal Aug 18 07:59:46 mece: I tried to compile some alternatives, but they aren't optimized for the display, so I went back to xterm. Aug 18 08:00:25 xterm works great? Aug 18 08:00:36 it does for me.. Aug 18 08:00:44 me2 Aug 18 08:00:44 +1 Aug 18 08:01:02 me too but maybe not for jani Aug 18 08:01:06 ofcourse it works but meta key inputs (i mentioned screen) are pain Aug 18 08:01:37 jani: that's true. fn + esc + number and it fails every second time Aug 18 08:01:43 talking about irssi Aug 18 08:01:55 i'm using apps like htop via ssh without problem - xterm is great Aug 18 08:02:33 xterm fails to properly render my alpine mail client with colours, sometimes it drops lines etc Aug 18 08:02:49 so yes, I'd also like to know a good alternative Aug 18 08:03:21 but most of the time I just think the screen is too small to use for terminal work, it's mostly emergency situations that I end up using it Aug 18 08:03:59 normally I run a 132x50 char window for my screen, it's hard to have less rows Aug 18 08:04:24 impossible with n900 xyd Aug 18 08:04:26 xD Aug 18 08:04:39 you can ... with a font.size = 6 Aug 18 08:04:41 :) Aug 18 08:04:52 http://vala-terminal.garage.maemo.org/ Aug 18 08:04:58 SwedeMike and jani: ^ Aug 18 08:05:08 it s can be readable if you output the video to a larger screen :) Aug 18 08:05:31 Scelt: does it work on n900? Aug 18 08:05:41 SwedeMike and jani: sorry, next time I open the link first myself :P for N810 mainly Aug 18 08:06:00 kerio: dunno Aug 18 08:06:03 question ... is it possible to have a different output screen resolution on video out ? Aug 18 08:07:41 dont think so Aug 18 08:07:53 but i guess my "problems" could be solved by just adding few more keyboard shortcuts to xterms bar Aug 18 08:08:12 @khertan1 Aug 18 08:08:22 heheheh maple may on tmo is funny :D Aug 18 08:08:24 skyscraper: thx Aug 18 08:08:53 Khertan1 say me when you got working xD Aug 18 08:09:11 Khertan1: nope, the only change you can make is pal or ntsc Aug 18 08:09:23 jani, well, do you need more, or can you replace what is there? Aug 18 08:09:30 SwedeMike: 80 col screen? :P Aug 18 08:10:18 osso-xterm allows for a 79x25 screen Aug 18 08:10:21 it's probably good enough Aug 18 08:10:24 jani, I have 7 buttons (+ ctrl and fullscreen, and arrow, which can't be removed. Aug 18 08:10:45 and you can get to fullscreen Aug 18 08:11:17 gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false" Aug 18 08:11:21 is it possible to press f1 or f2 or stl in xtern? Aug 18 08:11:29 skyscraper: by remapping your keyboard Aug 18 08:11:31 sure Aug 18 08:11:49 xterm is readable at 42 rows fullscreen, if you have good eyesight. Aug 18 08:12:09 and maybe modify xterm for quickkeys like tab and escape? Aug 18 08:12:28 Khertan1: t'as recu mon message précédent? Aug 18 08:12:30 why would you modify xterm Aug 18 08:12:32 remap your keyboard Aug 18 08:12:47 i have esc, tab, pgup/dwn, home and end on the keyboard Aug 18 08:12:57 can i remap it only for xterm??! Aug 18 08:12:57 same as most of the symbols Aug 18 08:13:02 why would you do that Aug 18 08:13:12 tab as fn+backspace is useful everywhere Aug 18 08:13:14 i know :) im not that noob as i was said to be. Aug 18 08:13:15 well, not everywhere Aug 18 08:13:20 but it's useful in microb Aug 18 08:13:33 hm i think i should better use bluetooth keyboard. but wont work very well Aug 18 08:14:06 ctrl-i is tab Aug 18 08:14:18 mece: that, too Aug 18 08:14:57 would be nice to map fn-shift- to F keys. Aug 18 08:15:05 it's possible Aug 18 08:15:21 by, you know, remapping the keyboard Aug 18 08:15:22 :) Aug 18 08:15:34 tried to pair the logitech dinovo edge of my brother with my n900 but doesnt worked Aug 18 08:15:45 /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx51 Aug 18 08:16:15 hehe i just entered telnet's control character by typing ctrl+fn+shift+c Aug 18 08:18:03 and at the office. with a proper terminal & keyboard =) Aug 18 08:18:04 skyscraper: you have to enable correct profile Aug 18 08:18:09 skyscraper: and it then just works Aug 18 08:18:23 skyscraper: at least i tried it with apple keyboard i bought jut for n900 Aug 18 08:18:24 where to do that? Aug 18 08:18:37 google Aug 18 08:19:13 jacekowski thank you for you fmtxd by the way!! Aug 18 08:19:51 Morning, all Aug 18 08:21:04 Jaffa: morning mate Aug 18 08:21:24 morning Jaffa Aug 18 08:21:31 anyone know a cheap portable bluetooth keyboard works with n900? Aug 18 08:23:32 So... instead of posting on TMO, i'll ask here. Can anyone help me on changing the image in the background of the multitasking screen ? Aug 18 08:24:06 Munkiii: change the background of your desktop screen? Aug 18 08:24:06 Munkiii: it s the same as the one on your desktop Aug 18 08:24:28 well it seems i have a problem then. Aug 18 08:25:06 could depends on theme too Aug 18 08:25:11 unless it's my Transitions.ini that is making it look fubared Aug 18 08:25:17 maybe Aug 18 08:26:40 *grabs transitions.ini from phone* Aug 18 08:32:01 crashanddie, slashdot fixed. Aug 18 08:34:00 mece: yeah, noticed Aug 18 08:34:20 skyscraper: it can only be routed to one because after it leaves DAC it goes trough analog changeover switches that can only route to one or another Aug 18 08:34:45 it would be nice to have multiple outputs in next phon Aug 18 08:34:47 phone* Aug 18 08:35:31 skyscraper: and as i said, i'm using apple keyboard, because it's metal so it will take some abuse Aug 18 08:37:40 Munkii, where's the transitions.ini again? Aug 18 08:37:59 s/Munkii/Munkiii/ Aug 18 08:38:00 mece meant: Munkiii, where's the transitions.ini again? Aug 18 08:38:20 usr/share/hildon-desktop Aug 18 08:39:02 jacekowski thank you for that information! where can i select where it should output? when plugging in headphones it seems to be autorerouted to headphones? Aug 18 08:39:29 yes Aug 18 08:39:37 it's pulseaudio doing that stuff Aug 18 08:39:38 do i have to restart fmtxd after plugging in headphones? Aug 18 08:40:04 i suppose restarting may work Aug 18 08:40:41 jacekowski do you tested playing mic input via fmtx? Aug 18 08:40:54 no Aug 18 08:41:18 and tested phoning via fmtx? Aug 18 08:41:28 that's disabled Aug 18 08:41:38 its impossible? Aug 18 08:41:39 call-ui disables fmtx when calling Aug 18 08:41:56 not "hackable"? Aug 18 08:41:57 possible but you would have to modify software Aug 18 08:42:07 well, if you know arm assembly Aug 18 08:42:12 then it's hackable Aug 18 08:42:37 no, i dont. but you disassembled fmtxd, too? Aug 18 08:43:26 What is this Maemo 5 Update i'm being told of by auto-updater? something to do with multiboot and NITDroid... Aug 18 08:44:17 will it affect my current Titan OC + NITDroid multiboot? Aug 18 08:44:42 hm there is no new maemo update for me Aug 18 08:45:13 Maemo 5 PR1.2 kernel for multiboot Aug 18 08:46:27 it's probably new titan kernel Aug 18 08:46:30 iirc Aug 18 08:50:19 lol looks nice: http://cgi.ebay.de/Neu-Silikon-Bluetooth-Mini-Tastatur-deutsche-Version-/250667440986?pt=Handy_Zubeh%C3%B6r Aug 18 08:52:08 extremly unconfortable Aug 18 08:52:21 it's hard for me to say that Aug 18 08:52:33 but apple wireless keyboard seems to be the best for that Aug 18 08:53:22 [skyscraper]: Silikon = pretty useless Aug 18 08:53:26 easier to carry though Aug 18 08:53:58 i dont have so much money at this time... i'm searching very cheap.... maybe iGo stowaway keyboard Aug 18 08:54:39 I've got a small HTPC keyboard so if usb hostmode will ever work I could use that :) Aug 18 08:55:10 usb otg wont work atm Aug 18 08:55:16 \o morning Aug 18 09:01:08 skyscraper: usb host mode is working Aug 18 09:01:38 jacekowski HOW??? oO Aug 18 09:01:54 seen some pics working with externally powered usb hub Aug 18 09:02:48 n900 can supply 200mA Aug 18 09:03:10 where is a manual for that? works keyboard too?? Aug 18 09:03:17 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host Aug 18 09:04:13 hi I installed vlc and tried playing the video ... it does work but it's unwatchable ... I have no frames at all ... just the one picture Aug 18 09:04:15 no video Aug 18 09:04:37 yes Aug 18 09:04:47 check ur device Aug 18 09:04:48 because it's not using neon/dsp Aug 18 09:05:01 and video decoding in arm core is slow Aug 18 09:05:34 i dont think that ill get usb otg working Aug 18 09:05:45 yeah, otg is not going to work Aug 18 09:05:47 ok what can i do ... the standard mediaplayer doesnt play the "tageschau" german news-podcast Aug 18 09:05:54 smooph: nothing Aug 18 09:05:58 looks very complicated Aug 18 09:06:00 smooph: they are using not supported codec Aug 18 09:06:36 they use h.264 aac which is supported at least thats what it says on my box Aug 18 09:06:58 no it's not Aug 18 09:07:04 only one profile is supported Aug 18 09:07:14 and they are probably using the unsupported one Aug 18 09:07:44 http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ Aug 18 09:08:24 is that the "baseline 3" problem ... i have no clue what i am talking about but this is what i read in the forums Aug 18 09:08:39 there are different profiles of h264 Aug 18 09:09:01 and only one has fully supported codec using neon/dsp Aug 18 09:09:18 all other profiles are using arm core and arm core isn't fast enough Aug 18 09:09:36 so when is this going to change ? Aug 18 09:09:52 it really sucks I can't watch any of my podcasts Aug 18 09:10:15 it's probably not going to change Aug 18 09:10:31 maybe you can convert the video to support the playback Aug 18 09:10:37 WTF xchat, where has your menu gone Aug 18 09:10:37 no Aug 18 09:11:04 is this a technical problem or are there not enough developer? Aug 18 09:11:16 using handbrake or something else Aug 18 09:11:39 \@/ xchat menu bar can be unhidden with f9 key Aug 18 09:12:00 damn amazing - the prototype of sun for touchscreen device in '92 www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg8OBYixL0 Aug 18 09:12:03 smooph: not enough developers that care Aug 18 09:12:21 razr: yes i could do that I know but I'd really hate to download the video to my pc convert it and then put it on my device ... Aug 18 09:12:27 smooph: xvid is the most popular codec and that's fully supported Aug 18 09:12:34 smooph: well, you can download it to your phone Aug 18 09:12:39 smooph: convert on phone Aug 18 09:12:55 how ? Aug 18 09:12:55 but conversion will take some time Aug 18 09:13:01 mencoder Aug 18 09:13:17 but there is no acceleration of that at all Aug 18 09:13:29 and make sure ur device is not overclocked or it may smoke :P Aug 18 09:13:29 you mean memcoder form easydebian ? Aug 18 09:13:30 so it will probably take at least 5 minutes to convert 1 minute of video Aug 18 09:13:37 mencoder from extras Aug 18 09:13:41 kk Aug 18 09:14:03 not overclocked at least I didn't Aug 18 09:14:56 well this might make it a little easier but I really hope that vlc developer will fix this and include the codec format Aug 18 09:15:12 I should start voting for my bugs Aug 18 09:17:45 i doubt that Aug 18 09:17:53 it's a lot of work Aug 18 09:17:58 and not a lot of profit Aug 18 09:18:05 there are more important things Aug 18 09:26:35 hum .. i ve think i ve found a good way to learn to pronounce the word awesome, incredible, great, easy and amazing in 110s : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx7v815bYUw Aug 18 09:26:45 s/word/words Aug 18 09:26:56 lcuk: also ctrl+enter Aug 18 09:27:09 i want usb host btw Aug 18 09:27:39 also jacekowski: why don't you make a fmtx-patch package? Aug 18 09:29:26 kerio, thanks Aug 18 09:30:38 * lcuk hmms Aug 18 09:31:51 is there an app to modify screen brightness in relation to luxus sensor? automatic screen brightness adjustment knows only bright and dark, i think Aug 18 09:33:39 ping Aug 18 09:35:33 hm. need an nice irc app for n900. webchat sucks. Aug 18 09:36:51 xchat? Aug 18 09:36:53 irssi? Aug 18 09:37:22 skyscraper, Surfa is correct - lots of people use xchat Aug 18 09:38:07 [skyscraper]: I think irssi is great, but xchat is probably easier Aug 18 09:38:08 ok. will check it in a moment. in windows im using mirc Aug 18 09:38:32 Jaffa: did you know if other apps depends on python-twitter ? Aug 18 09:41:02 Khertan1: hermes, witter, cservices, barriosquare, khweeteur Aug 18 09:41:17 I seriously can't understand maemo.org news rank system, but whatever Aug 18 09:44:54 I'm experiencing a strange problem... telepathy has just decided that the last account in my list of voip/im accounts need to have a "Network error"... I ahd the problem with the bonjour one (the last I added), then one day I removed it and it started to affect my skype account, I just remove my skype account (to recreate it, hoping it solved the problem) and now my MSN account is flagged as "network error" and it was running just fine a Aug 18 09:44:54 few minutes ago, without any change at its configuration.......... Aug 18 09:45:19 how can I further debug it? Aug 18 09:46:00 wazd: which part ? it's suffering from feedback loop reinforcement, but other than that it's pretty understandable... I guess Aug 18 09:46:03 the problem started one day apparently out of nowhere, no updates or new packages installed that day (at least that I can remember) Aug 18 09:50:34 achipa: well, my post was immediately gone from the main page with 11/1 Aug 18 09:51:14 achipa: it's not a big deal at all, but still pretty weird Aug 18 09:52:00 wazd: how old was the article ? Aug 18 09:52:14 is there some place where a meaningful log my be read to understand what does "network error" mean? Aug 18 09:52:15 wazd: (it has this sqrt or 1/n expiry thing) Aug 18 09:52:37 achipa: I've posted it yesterday Aug 18 09:53:38 Thx X-Fade ... i ll try locally before as i think there is an api break between the 0.6 and the 0.8 Aug 18 09:55:33 wazd: in that case, weird indeed.. could it be that one down means that much ? Aug 18 09:56:06 wazd: (I can see a 6/0 which is older than your article being higher) Aug 18 09:58:44 achipa: not a big deal anyway :) Aug 18 09:59:10 achipa: I was just a bit surprised :) Aug 18 09:59:49 wazd: yeah, happened to me too a few times. Though in the last 2-3 days we had a lot of articles so a lot of movement... Aug 18 09:59:55 Also gets karma from external sources like digg and technorati etc. Aug 18 09:59:56 DocScrutinizer, your observations about cpu use in XScreensaver.. Aug 18 10:00:15 community have been building up the wiki page about specific live backgrounds in xscreensavers Aug 18 10:00:17 http://wiki.maemo.org/Xscreensaver Aug 18 10:02:34 ~20Mb free left on /. I bet OTA update to next firmware won't pass. Aug 18 10:03:18 Arkenoi, and my car only first 5 people in Aug 18 10:03:30 only fits 5 people in Aug 18 10:10:37 Khertan1: We need rdepends in maemo.org/packages. I *think* I saw one, but I dunno Aug 18 10:11:01 rdepends ? Aug 18 10:13:21 Jaffa: I have the beginnings of rdepends in there now, but it doesn't do unique now. And also isn't doing nesting yet. Aug 18 10:13:56 X-Fade: Khertan1: http://bit.ly/b7cCZN Aug 18 10:14:45 Jaffa: Now make sure it is showing uniques ;) Aug 18 10:14:47 Khertan1: Looks like Witter is/has been using python-twitter, as well as Casual Services, barriosquare, Aug 18 10:15:00 X-Fade: Used by brain for that and went up to page 10 :-) Aug 18 10:15:07 Jaffa: lol ;) Aug 18 10:16:22 s/by/my/ Aug 18 10:16:22 Jaffa meant: X-Fade: Used my brain for that and went up to page 10 :-) Aug 18 10:16:43 :) Aug 18 10:19:49 Jaffa: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/python-twitter/0.6-maemo1/ Aug 18 10:20:30 the version 0.8 break the api ... now it s require oauth token Aug 18 10:20:37 username/pass isn't enough Aug 18 10:21:16 twitter switched to oauth Aug 18 10:24:26 yep Aug 18 10:24:46 but the old login/pass is still used Aug 18 10:24:54 and so they should keep it Aug 18 10:38:01 so how to do ... ? as the new api in 0.8 of python-twitter break the compatibility ? Aug 18 10:44:31 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60574 < any alternative to QFontDialog for fremantle ? Aug 18 10:48:01 Khertan1: maemo extras Aug 18 10:48:26 There's some Qt wrapped Gtk widgets somewhere that have font selector. Aug 18 10:50:13 hildon extras, that's what I meant :) Aug 18 10:50:29 Khertan1: http://wiki.maemo.org/Hildon-Extras Aug 18 10:58:56 back later or tomorrow Aug 18 10:58:57 bb Aug 18 10:59:24 Khertan1: Patch (driven upstream where possible) to reintroduce user/pass? Aug 18 11:00:48 X-Fade: Nice. Box needs larger height. Aug 18 11:01:11 Who's dist master now then? Aug 18 11:01:25 alterego: There isn't one. Aug 18 11:01:30 NOOOOOOO! Aug 18 11:01:31 Jaffa: Yeah, needs css change. Aug 18 11:01:31 alterego: Council is talking to Nokia about it. Aug 18 11:01:33 What will we do?!?! Aug 18 11:01:39 Erm, Aug 18 11:01:43 what did you do before? Aug 18 11:01:49 alterego: Jump ship Aug 18 11:01:58 What exactly did the dist-master/StsKeeps do? :) Aug 18 11:02:04 there wasnt one before and we coped happily, though someone to poke about a bit is wise Aug 18 11:02:07 I thought it was X-Fade's job :P Aug 18 11:02:10 timeless: Have noone owning the Hacker Editions; which meant they were useless and no-one was managing patches/releases. Aug 18 11:02:14 alterego: get yelled at once in a while Aug 18 11:02:20 Heh Aug 18 11:02:28 Where do I apply?! :D Aug 18 11:02:31 lcuk: distmaster would be useful for managing Maemo 5 Community SSU and MeeGo-Harmattan HE Aug 18 11:02:33 jaffa :) thats integration and not distmastery ;) :P Aug 18 11:02:36 * alterego chuckles Aug 18 11:02:45 lcuk: Fell under the distmaster job description ;-) Aug 18 11:02:48 alterego; i'll yell at you for free here, if you like Aug 18 11:03:00 indeed jaffa Aug 18 11:03:24 Well, I can't help but agree with Stskeeps' sentiments on MeeGo being the future for the NITs' Aug 18 11:03:47 I don't think the SSU or HE will happen .. Aug 18 11:04:30 Or take off and get the love it needs. Aug 18 11:05:07 ssu and HE arent needed at this time Aug 18 11:05:27 though as you rightfully say, meego is the new hacker edition Aug 18 11:05:34 Agreed, that will change the minute the Harmatten device comes out Aug 18 11:05:40 just get someone who'll work to get harmattan bits on meego(.com) and work on the meego.com based nokia release to have it maintained for n900 too Aug 18 11:05:43 :P Aug 18 11:06:03 Besides, I like the idea of the community jumping ahead of Nokia on this one for a change ;) Aug 18 11:06:56 This is how I've been thinking for a while though, and Stskeeps just managed to say it much more elequently in that infuriating thread of abill's :) Aug 18 11:07:53 I don't quite get it, I said the same things, in shorter posts, Stskeeps comes up with a essay describing it all, and he finally seems to understand what we've all been telling him. Aug 18 11:08:36 I swear the guy just doesn't listen to me. Aug 18 11:08:45 he=abill, i assume? Aug 18 11:08:46 :P Aug 18 11:08:51 Hi everybody is there something like a collection off repositories that can be used with the n900 Aug 18 11:08:51 Indeed. Aug 18 11:09:09 smooph: there are repositories all over the place :P Aug 18 11:09:14 off -f Aug 18 11:09:36 problem is alterego many developers have 1 N900 and cannot do destructive or intensive testing of Meego at the moment, even wit hthe boot to alternative OS scenario - they lose their phone function etc. so suggestions around making the meego packages usable in maemo is a good half way house because it will let devs test andbuild and learn how to do t properly Aug 18 11:09:38 I know thats why I am asking for a collection o.O Aug 18 11:10:40 lcuk: I know, I'm one of them, if I had another N900 I'd be a lot more proactive in the MeeGo world :( Aug 18 11:10:52 ++ Aug 18 11:10:56 smooph: there used to be a wiki page that had a list of 'em. Aug 18 11:11:54 do you think we could start a new one if that page doesn't exist anymore Aug 18 11:12:19 it's kind of sad that I only half the apps available for my phone Aug 18 11:12:38 smooph: all the apps worth having are in extras Aug 18 11:12:56 If you're brave then extras-testing and if you're _really_ brave and know what you're doing extras-devel Aug 18 11:12:58 firefox, vlc ? Aug 18 11:13:26 vlc have their own, firefox should be in extras-devel I believe. Aug 18 11:14:47 lcuk: well, the n900 will run harmattan eventually Aug 18 11:14:51 with the meego ui Aug 18 11:15:03 :) Aug 18 11:15:11 so there you go, meego packages on maemo Aug 18 11:15:51 ooh, queen beecon update, forgot i had that installed Aug 18 11:15:55 neat things you can do with it? Aug 18 11:16:28 MeeGo packages on Maemo Aug 18 11:16:39 Seems a bit backwards :) Aug 18 11:17:02 On the otherhand, I guess we can't do that opposite :D Aug 18 11:18:14 why not? for people iwth the skills that would be feasible? Aug 18 11:18:23 community hildon etc - gtk is already there Aug 18 11:18:41 lcuk: toolkits sure, apps, not likely :P Aug 18 11:18:49 I am of course refering to the closed aspects of Maemo Aug 18 11:19:48 even closed apps have source somewhere. and if the support libs (which are open, as I say hildon*) then who says when a HE is polled internally interested people won't just recompile :P Aug 18 11:20:34 * lcuk gets back to this packaging thing anyway, its a pita Aug 18 11:20:59 how's jrbme going, btw? Aug 18 11:21:03 lcuk: should programs written directly in machine code be considerd closed or open? :| Aug 18 11:21:20 Heh Aug 18 11:21:26 open if they're documented :) Aug 18 11:21:32 hello... when you slide your finger on the screen, it moves the screen to the left or right, is there any way to adjust the sensitivity? (you have to slide your finger half way across the screen for it to change desktops but I just want to shorten that slide) Aug 18 11:21:32 zash: depends Aug 18 11:21:40 the programmer should be shot though Aug 18 11:21:46 to put him out of his misery Aug 18 11:21:56 why? Aug 18 11:22:05 hmm Aug 18 11:22:06 nvm Aug 18 11:22:08 machine code Aug 18 11:22:27 i code quite often directly in machine code Aug 18 11:22:31 assembly is somewhat better Aug 18 11:22:38 not whole programs Aug 18 11:22:41 but patches Aug 18 11:22:51 http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/d/dd/MachineCode_from_batman.jpg Aug 18 11:23:02 (mildly nsfw) Aug 18 11:23:03 kerio: that image is made of win! Aug 18 11:23:57 anyway, cool things to do with queen beecon? Aug 18 11:24:56 ?DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 Aug 18 11:25:17 dcat_: funny Aug 18 11:25:23 ?DCC CHAT CALM_INTERNET_CHATTING_NOTHING_ELSE Aug 18 11:25:27 hahahaha Aug 18 11:25:36 thx Aug 18 11:25:46 what client is he using? Aug 18 11:25:54 mirssi Aug 18 11:33:27 is it possible to flip the screen on n900? It really annoys me that the usb plug is at the top of the phone when I'm talking on the phone. It would be nice if I could just flip the screen when it's in portrait mode. Aug 18 11:34:20 ekhm Aug 18 11:34:20 jo-erlend, wouldnt that cause a problem for the mic? Aug 18 11:34:25 and speaker Aug 18 11:34:31 ah.. I didn't consider that. :) Aug 18 11:34:41 don't worry Aug 18 11:34:45 damn... Nice catch. :) Aug 18 11:34:51 somebody has to have iq lower than 100 Aug 18 11:34:58 so average is still the same Aug 18 11:35:05 hehe, it's actually not too bad. :) Aug 18 11:43:48 lol MohammadAG51 loving the trouting via pm! Aug 18 11:45:14 What is a decent reminder app for fremantle with alarms? Aug 18 11:45:55 Makes you wonder, why they bothered to add touch support to S40 considering they're removing it. Aug 18 11:46:04 Ebzzry: the calendar? Aug 18 11:46:24 I'm currently setting up a new scratchbox environment, since I broke my last one up to a point where I can't fix it anymore, so my question is there an easy way to create some sort of backup of the scratchbox to revert to when I broke it again? Aug 18 11:47:02 merlin1991: how about installing linux into a virtual image? Aug 18 11:47:07 like virtualbox Aug 18 11:48:06 I got slight performance problems doing that on my hardware :/ Aug 18 11:48:32 oh Aug 18 11:49:18 merlin1991: Nighlty filesystem-backup? Aug 18 11:50:18 do I need to back up only the /scratchbox folder, or is some other stuff in use too? Aug 18 11:50:19 merlin1991: tar czf .tar.gz Aug 18 11:50:36 Wolfie: But I can only set an alarm the day before, not the day itself. Aug 18 11:50:40 I think it is enough to backup the folder Aug 18 11:51:14 Wolfie: I'm looking for something like the Reminders app, reminiscent of older Nokia phones. Aug 18 11:54:01 Ebzzry: calendar Aug 18 11:54:17 Ebzzry: add new event and it will remind you about it Aug 18 11:57:28 lcuk, ping Aug 18 11:57:38 hey mece Aug 18 11:57:53 lcuk, did you ever come up with a top 5? Aug 18 11:58:33 mece, a load of people did! Aug 18 11:58:34 http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23maemotop5 Aug 18 11:58:38 its growing nicely Aug 18 11:58:47 it would be great to have input from as many as possible on twitter Aug 18 11:59:00 okok.. tweeting mine in a bit. Aug 18 12:07:24 jacekowski: What are the alarm settings for this new event? Aug 18 12:07:44 you have to set them as well Aug 18 12:07:49 whatever you define Aug 18 12:08:30 jacekowski: There are only two alarm settings available: none and day before. Aug 18 12:10:23 i have more options Aug 18 12:13:53 I only have two. Aug 18 12:14:59 lcuk, are you doing some sort of ranking thing based on the tweets? Aug 18 12:17:31 I added a Task, instead of an Event. Aug 18 12:22:45 mece, just curiosity and will do some tallies later Aug 18 12:23:50 lcuk, looking forward to it. Aug 18 12:25:31 mece nice of you to include a specific list of built in apps on #maemotop5 hashtag :) Aug 18 12:31:51 lcuk: are twittering strongly now? Aug 18 12:33:13 i dunno crashanddie have a look, I am pythoning Aug 18 12:33:21 and tweet your own :P Aug 18 12:33:44 i don't see the point Aug 18 12:34:20 http://twattering.co.uk/ Aug 18 12:34:29 * lcuk renames crashanddie marvintheparanoidandroide Aug 18 12:34:44 -e Aug 18 12:36:26 damn Aug 18 12:37:57 When (hmm, if?) I get an Android device, it's Bluetooth name will have to be "Marvin" :) Aug 18 12:38:39 ooh, you just might be the first person to do that... Aug 18 12:38:51 Remarkably interesting that your first choice of words was "when", rather than "if". Aug 18 12:39:02 Jaffa: I thought it would have been "Paranoid" :) Aug 18 12:39:26 sig^: Shock Aug 18 12:39:30 crashanddie: Indeed. Aug 18 12:44:19 Is there a possibility to disable that the program manager checks for new updates as soon as I go online? Aug 18 12:44:20 hello Aug 18 12:44:45 is there a way to charge the n900 through a common cable? Aug 18 12:45:01 not the propitary nokia one... Aug 18 12:45:39 um Aug 18 12:45:43 user: Any microusb cable? Aug 18 12:45:53 any standard micro usb cable that offers power works... Aug 18 12:46:07 Jaffa: Marvin's a good name for an android device :) Aug 18 12:46:10 including the micro usb to usb cable that you use w/ your computer Aug 18 12:46:11 user: As long as it provides > 250 mAh. Aug 18 12:46:29 X-Fade: is that the most common type of small usb cable? Aug 18 12:46:31 (that was included in the box) Aug 18 12:46:45 user: no, that is mini usb. Aug 18 12:46:53 btw this reminds me that in a month I'll have to return my loaned pre-prod device :( Aug 18 12:47:07 anidel: did you get good use from it? Aug 18 12:47:12 ive got one for a canon camera and ps3 controller Aug 18 12:47:25 user: That is mini usb, you need micro usb. Aug 18 12:47:37 ahh Aug 18 12:47:42 user: please understand that what nokia ships isn't non-standard Aug 18 12:47:44 timeless: without it there would be no Xournal for Fremantle... yes I did get very good use of it Aug 18 12:47:50 the wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from Aug 18 12:47:54 microusb is the future Aug 18 12:48:00 what kind of devices uses that? Aug 18 12:48:03 miniusb was the past Aug 18 12:48:13 blackberry, htc Aug 18 12:48:18 miniusb had a rather short life though .. Aug 18 12:48:27 N95 :) Aug 18 12:48:43 htc supports miniusb Aug 18 12:48:57 user: not on future devices, i presume Aug 18 12:48:58 timeless: my microusb port is broken :( Aug 18 12:49:22 "all" new devices will be microusb Aug 18 12:49:45 user: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.35005 Aug 18 12:49:57 my future device will have a nuclear fusion battery Aug 18 12:50:06 htc hero can use both? Aug 18 12:50:06 and will only use wireless transfer Aug 18 12:50:14 all future device sold in EU will have to have a MicroUSB to charge Aug 18 12:50:18 microusb is manufacturer independend "standard" in the future Aug 18 12:50:31 it's accepted by all major manufacturers Aug 18 12:50:38 china, EU and US has all mandated micro usb as the new charger standard. Aug 18 12:50:41 user: the htc hd2 for instance is microusb, afaict Aug 18 12:50:47 http://www.eetimes.com/design/other/4016269/How-to-conform-to-China-s-new-mobile-phone-interface-standards china was first Aug 18 12:51:10 http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hd2/specification.html Aug 18 12:51:23 http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/08/europe-univeral-phone-charger/ Aug 18 12:51:31 swedemike: no one cares about china ;-) Aug 18 12:51:32 but I dont have one Aug 18 12:51:35 lcuk: ping Aug 18 12:51:47 user: you can buy one Aug 18 12:51:56 or don't lose the two that you got in the package Aug 18 12:51:56 timeless: right. Aug 18 12:51:57 And my N900 eats the battery faaaaast Aug 18 12:52:17 They are at home... Im not Aug 18 12:53:01 I need an improvised way to do this... Aug 18 12:53:09 user: any tech store will sell them Aug 18 12:53:15 any tech friend should have one Aug 18 12:53:23 next time, don't travel w/o a charger Aug 18 12:53:27 it's kinda stupid Aug 18 12:53:36 it'd be like me taking my expensive Camera on a 1 month trip w/o a charger Aug 18 12:53:44 can you imagine me being stupid enough to do that? Aug 18 12:53:52 I was only awat for 8 houres Aug 18 12:53:53 http://cgi.ebay.com/CAR-HOME-CHARGER-USB-CABLE-fr-NOKIA-N85-N900-8800-ARTE-/150479956446?pt=PDA_Accessories is kind of nice, even though the cables are not very high quality, but they work and are great for spares. Aug 18 12:54:06 and wont be home for another few Aug 18 12:55:24 well,... Aug 18 12:55:39 i'm pretty sure the n900 will get at least 8 hours idle Aug 18 12:55:44 i presume you weren't idling your n900/ Aug 18 12:55:47 SwedeMike: and if they're dumb cables they won't charge :) Aug 18 12:55:58 Nope Aug 18 12:56:01 idle and with no data connection, or idle with data connection? Aug 18 12:56:29 It was expemcive, I need to use it for it to be worth. Aug 18 12:57:16 hey guys Aug 18 12:57:18 user: the usb to usb cable included in the package is fairly light Aug 18 12:57:31 you can also probably find shorter usb to usb cables in stores Aug 18 12:57:35 when ppl say MeeGo OBS, what does OBS stand for ? Aug 18 12:57:50 carry one of those with you in the future Aug 18 12:57:54 infobot obs? Aug 18 12:58:05 !obs Aug 18 12:58:08 ~obs Aug 18 12:58:10 Hi. I have recently bought a N900 and wonder how I can connect it to my LAN so I can transfer files without using a usb-cable Aug 18 12:58:13 :( Aug 18 12:58:14 * timeless kicks infobot Aug 18 12:58:25 Malin_: wireless router? Aug 18 12:58:37 ~obs is opensuse build service Aug 18 12:58:38 X-Fade: okay Aug 18 12:58:40 whats obs ? Aug 18 12:58:46 oh Aug 18 12:58:50 ok Aug 18 12:58:54 thanks Aug 18 12:59:01 Is there a possibility to disable that the program manager checks for new updates as soon as I go online? Aug 18 12:59:11 It is a fancy autobuilder ;) Aug 18 12:59:20 Malin_: install openssh, get it online on wireless, ssh to it like any other linux machine Aug 18 12:59:26 n900-space: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=meego+obs Aug 18 12:59:26 Really cool features. Aug 18 12:59:43 ag0ny: yeah, there's a gconf key afair, maybe look in the wiki or tmo for the correct key and way to change it Aug 18 13:00:07 Corsac: maemo.org wiki you mean? Aug 18 13:01:47 thanks timeless Aug 18 13:02:51 Brik, I know, I did yesterday, but I want to copy files from my server to my N900 Aug 18 13:02:57 from my server Aug 18 13:03:10 Malin_: oh.. Aug 18 13:03:13 maybe it could be done via terminal, but was looking for a more gui-way to do it Aug 18 13:03:31 Malin_: grsync Aug 18 13:03:49 ag0ny: yes Aug 18 13:03:52 Malin_, scp Aug 18 13:04:05 gui, can copy over ssh from the server Aug 18 13:04:07 and it integrates in linuxand windows (with things like winscp) Aug 18 13:05:48 okey, thanx, Will try it :) Aug 18 13:11:55 guys do you know if there's maemo running on neo freerunner? Aug 18 13:13:09 pfft Aug 18 13:13:12 there isnt Aug 18 13:13:29 haha Aug 18 13:13:40 even if there were, it'd be so slow... Aug 18 13:14:00 so the only solution for me 'd be a used n900? Aug 18 13:14:54 yeah, if you want a phone with maemo... otherwise you can wait for meego devices Aug 18 13:18:28 e/w 19 Aug 18 13:24:41 umm Aug 18 13:24:43 anyone on PR1.2 Aug 18 13:24:48 dpkg -l hildon-desktop Aug 18 13:24:53 need the version number Aug 18 13:25:18 ii hildon-desktop 1:2.2.138-1+0m Hildon desktop for Fremantle Aug 18 13:25:24 MohammadAG: 2.2.138-1+0m Aug 18 13:25:32 hmm Aug 18 13:25:40 surely it's +0m5 Aug 18 13:25:57 DuckBoot, sure it's not cut out? (zoom out) Aug 18 13:26:03 crashanddie, it starts with 1: :) Aug 18 13:26:28 MohammadAG: Sorry - you're right Aug 18 13:26:31 ii hildon-desktop 1:2.2.138-1+0m5 Hildon desktop for Fremantle Aug 18 13:26:33 there's no m5 Aug 18 13:26:34 thanks Aug 18 13:26:38 well, in the default view Aug 18 13:26:42 crashanddie, zoom out Aug 18 13:42:46 crashanddie, DuckBoot ty http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=790504#post790504 Aug 18 14:08:21 MohammadAG51: we didn't even get mentionned for our amazing help? Aug 18 14:08:23 bastard Aug 18 14:08:36 LOL Aug 18 14:11:15 X-Fade: if repository management cleans up a package... why is it still in the Packages file ? Aug 18 14:11:38 lol Aug 18 14:12:57 achipa: Because the repo lags. Aug 18 14:13:10 errm... how many months ? Aug 18 14:13:32 X-Fade: http://maemo.org/packages/view/quickbrownfox/ Aug 18 14:13:33 achipa: hehe, well a hour or so, should not be more. Aug 18 14:13:42 achipa: it's holland, count a few years before they're done smoking weed Aug 18 14:13:42 about 1/744th of month Aug 18 14:13:49 achipa: otherwise the cleaning didn't happen correcly. Aug 18 14:14:07 X-Fade: the version from february is still in there Aug 18 14:14:32 X-Fade: even though it claims to have been cleaned in April Aug 18 14:15:24 achipa: Which repo? Aug 18 14:15:34 X-Fade: extras Aug 18 14:15:57 Ah crap. fremantle-1.2 induced pain. Aug 18 14:16:00 X-Fade: frematle-1.2 Aug 18 14:16:04 exactly Aug 18 14:16:07 (oops) Aug 18 14:16:17 Doesn't delete there at all it seems. Nice. Aug 18 14:16:28 might be other packages, too, this one just occured to me as it's mine Aug 18 14:16:59 well, at least that means HAM will get quicker... right ? :P Aug 18 14:17:00 No, should happen for every package then. Aug 18 14:17:08 anyone got ESD for maemo5 somewhere? Aug 18 14:17:13 A bit, yes. Aug 18 14:18:19 for a moment that read like LSD for maemo5. I blame crashanndie. Aug 18 14:19:29 achipa, who doesn't Aug 18 14:19:48 * MohammadAG blames crashanddie for stuttering audio Aug 18 14:21:57 good grief, you're making my computer go "tuut" for this shit? Aug 18 14:22:08 now I have to pretend with a serious face that it's important (I'm in a meeting) Aug 18 14:26:12 * MohammadAG is thinking of highlighting crash and die for the lulz Aug 18 14:26:37 * crashanddie readies the banhammer Aug 18 14:26:47 you wouldn't dare Aug 18 14:38:13 ban! ban! ban! Aug 18 14:39:33 ha ha nokia! "You're one step away from opening your Nokia account, please open this link: https://account.nokia.com/acct/v?id=........." but.. when you click the link has already expired and I need to reentre my mobile number Aug 18 14:39:37 why highlight crashanddie? O.o Aug 18 14:39:50 * luke-jr doesn't get it. Aug 18 14:40:04 he's in a meeting, pinging him dings xchat Aug 18 14:40:09 lol what? Aug 18 14:40:14 who gets audible alerts from IRC? Aug 18 14:40:19 that seems like insanity IMO Aug 18 14:40:20 apparently he does Aug 18 14:40:27 my point stands you wouldn't dare Aug 18 14:41:00 on another note, I never noticed his name split to 'crash and die' Aug 18 14:41:10 LOL Aug 18 14:41:10 I read it as 'crash haddie' Aug 18 14:41:12 another Ovi store usability glitch huh... maybe best to stick with making devices and not online services Aug 18 14:41:32 first time I saw it I thought it was crash handle Aug 18 14:41:36 idk why Aug 18 14:42:29 X-Fade: ping Aug 18 14:42:48 so do you think crashanddle will be able to keep his serious expression reading all this? Aug 18 14:44:13 yeah, no sweat Aug 18 14:44:31 XD Aug 18 14:44:59 though, mo, I implied I'd ban you if you kept HLing me Aug 18 14:45:18 sudo make me a sandwich Aug 18 14:45:44 what do you mean, you type crashanddie and his laptop makes a sound? Aug 18 14:45:57 luke-jr http://xkcd.com/149/ Aug 18 14:45:58 lol Aug 18 14:46:07 is crashanddie still waving his dick around I see Aug 18 14:46:08 merlin1991: no crap Aug 18 14:46:11 kerio: I muted hours around Aug 18 14:46:17 oh :( Aug 18 14:46:19 odin_: I'm sorry? Aug 18 14:46:21 er, :) Aug 18 14:46:30 around<->ago Aug 18 14:46:36 crashanddie, you wouldn't ban me if I came to france and... Aug 18 14:46:47 ban! ban! ban! Aug 18 14:46:49 nope, you're a terrorist, you're already banned Aug 18 14:47:03 odin_: may I suggest you don't say things like that again? Aug 18 14:47:03 oh am I? Aug 18 14:47:26 crashanddie: oh sod it, mohammad's a nice terrist, we lubz him! Aug 18 14:47:27 * MohammadAG also suggests that, I'm just fucking around Aug 18 14:47:45 MohammadAG: sure, me too, I luvz u Aug 18 14:47:47 we lub you too tybollt Aug 18 14:49:36 * MohammadAG51 counts to 10 Aug 18 14:49:44 oh this shit doesn't work, FOR FUCK'S SAKE Aug 18 14:49:55 odin_: also, next time, at least have the guts to step up when confronted instead cowardly asserting something and then keeping your mouth shut when called on it Aug 18 14:50:50 crashanddie, you confronted me ? when ? s/dick/cock/ Aug 18 14:53:03 MohammadAG: know the term 'pink mist'? Go create some - perfect anger management passtime... Aug 18 14:53:28 tybollt, nope, never heard of it, care to shed some light on me? Aug 18 14:54:06 oh headshots Aug 18 14:54:10 tybollt, they got boring Aug 18 14:54:29 :-) Aug 18 15:01:37 i wonder how much of the n900 codebase (meaning maemo 5) is proprietary Aug 18 15:01:48 is the network stuff open source? Aug 18 15:01:50 43% is oss Aug 18 15:02:02 ~openness Aug 18 15:02:03 serious? Aug 18 15:02:04 rumour has it, openness is http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html Aug 18 15:02:51 oh thanks very much! that looks interesting! Aug 18 15:03:15 thank Stskeeps, he made it afaik Aug 18 15:03:34 Stskeeps: damn, I could've sworn it was 42,677% :-| Aug 18 15:03:41 LOL Aug 18 15:18:03 Stskeeps, the osso-calculator-engine looks pretty good to use with liqcalc by the way Aug 18 15:18:08 then it will be 100% open source Aug 18 15:18:28 a fully tested extremely capable parametric calculator engine :) Aug 18 15:19:14 * lcuk has been peeking around all this OSSO stuff recently :) Aug 18 15:21:36 Fully functional?\ Aug 18 15:21:46 Turing complete, and able to pass the turing test? Aug 18 15:21:52 That's what I want of any calculatorr. Aug 18 15:22:11 "calculataur", the nerds of dinosaurs. Aug 18 15:22:58 SpeedEvil, right now its just solar powered :P but tying it up with the osso backend seems like the most sensible option Aug 18 15:25:03 LOL crashanddie Aug 18 15:33:04 hmm xterm font went really small, have to use sizes from 16 upwards to make it readable at all Aug 18 15:33:50 is there a zoom feature i missed? Aug 18 15:34:00 volume keys Aug 18 15:34:03 the 'volume' buttons Aug 18 15:34:26 wow Aug 18 15:34:32 mind=blown Aug 18 15:41:55 i,d like to see xterm vibrate on bell Aug 18 15:43:21 hmmmmm http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=790445#post790445 Aug 18 15:46:04 b-man|N900, the calculator question or the nick collision? Aug 18 15:53:24 lcuk, the nick collision Aug 18 15:53:39 kke_: pester RST38h + cehteh to damn deliver a help or even config gui for the xterm notification BS Aug 18 15:54:10 kke_: there's some commend for that in xterm, but I forgot it Aug 18 15:54:24 command Aug 18 15:55:40 kke_: something like /notification +V Aug 18 15:58:45 what? Aug 18 15:59:40 eh xterm or xchat? Aug 18 16:00:04 xchat Aug 18 16:00:10 (--coffe) Aug 18 16:00:24 :-S Aug 18 16:01:13 to turn vibration on: /notify_mode +v Aug 18 16:01:34 vib on xterm bell is actually a nice idea (and such a precise wording I wonder how I could miss the meaning) Aug 18 16:02:17 cehteh: thanks - will go into my autostart script NOW. Fsckng blue led Aug 18 16:02:36 cat /home/user/.xchat2/maemo_notify.conf Aug 18 16:02:36 VIBRA_PATTERN PatternIRCMessage Aug 18 16:02:36 NOTIFY_MODE +bvld Aug 18 16:02:36 DIALOG_THROTTLE 2 1800 Aug 18 16:03:08 :-D Aug 18 16:03:23 PatternIRCMessage you possibly dont have :) Aug 18 16:04:40 thanks, I got .xchat/notify.sh, so no need for any of that Aug 18 16:05:17 well my plugin reads the maemo_notify.conf but you can place this commands in any startup script Aug 18 16:05:28 and it's *BAD* it comes enabled by default, and it's NASTY there's no GUI for it Aug 18 16:05:49 yeah .. i know, people keep complainins instead adding this :) Aug 18 16:07:20 btw will anyone of you at FrOSCon next weekend? Aug 18 16:08:32 cehteh: friggin notify.conf is empty :-S Aug 18 16:08:50 here too .. i dont even know what it is for Aug 18 16:08:59 some other plugin :) Aug 18 16:09:02 no gui Aug 18 16:09:04 no docs Aug 18 16:09:06 haha :) Aug 18 16:10:02 ~lart cehteh Aug 18 16:10:02 * infobot hauls cehteh up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles Aug 18 16:11:06 there *is no* maemo_notify.conf Aug 18 16:12:07 and still I got that fscking blue LED after every xchat start, and I have to disable it with that BS /notify command Aug 18 16:12:50 you write that maemo_notify.conf Aug 18 16:12:51 I *hate* this extension Aug 18 16:13:03 and add NOTIFY_MODE -l there Aug 18 16:13:10 then led blinking is disabled Aug 18 16:13:14 I got rid of the .so and used the .sh instead Aug 18 16:13:16 anyways Aug 18 16:13:30 MohammadAG: how? Aug 18 16:13:37 rm ?? Aug 18 16:13:43 mv, it won't load it Aug 18 16:13:44 sec Aug 18 16:14:17 /usr/lib/xchat/plugins Aug 18 16:14:57 lol Aug 18 16:15:26 i almost threw my n900 across the room the night that got installed Aug 18 16:15:50 people who dont RTFM :) Aug 18 16:17:27 i made everything configureable and every default can be changed wen building it Aug 18 16:17:31 * lcuk adds line in pr1.3 "if username='cehteh': play_loud_music randomly" :p Aug 18 16:17:52 the initial defaults are just all bells and whistles enabled .. Aug 18 16:18:30 and that's BAD Aug 18 16:19:03 initial defaults should be all bells and whistles disabled Aug 18 16:19:07 no update ever is supposed to shove new possibly unpleasant features down user's throat Aug 18 16:19:17 *ahem* Aug 18 16:20:17 i dont care Aug 18 16:20:59 ok, that attitude will get you eternal fame with all the testers, I'm sure Aug 18 16:21:38 afternoon Aug 18 16:21:45 any Debian gurus about? Aug 18 16:21:46 moo lardman Aug 18 16:21:50 hey Doc Aug 18 16:22:38 I'll explain our problem with mBarcode dependencies anyway and see if anyone has any bright ideas Aug 18 16:23:04 DocScrutinizer, would pushing some rm -rf /* package into -testing teach testers, or annoy innocent users Aug 18 16:23:32 We have an mbarcode package and a number of mbarcode-plugin-this/that packages, mBarcode does not require plugins, but doesn't do much without them Aug 18 16:23:33 maybe both Aug 18 16:24:20 I would like to make a meta package mbarcode-plugins, which lists each plugin, and make mbarcode recommend that, but HAM doesn't seem to support/do anything with recommends, is this right? Aug 18 16:25:08 the question is how to get the plugins installed with mbarcode, but allow individual plugins to be removed (and mbarcode can't depend on the plugins as they depend on mbarcode) Aug 18 16:25:36 or is this a question that simply can't be handled by apt/dpkg or HAM? Aug 18 16:26:06 MohammadAG: is xchat loading xchat/plugins/*.so or xchat/plugins/* ? Aug 18 16:26:24 hmm, * I think Aug 18 16:26:32 brb dinner Aug 18 16:26:38 DocScrutinizer, I moved it to / Aug 18 16:26:45 *nod* Aug 18 16:29:08 DocScrutinizer51: ping Aug 18 16:29:16 \o/ Aug 18 16:29:27 lardman, hmm Aug 18 16:29:36 hi lcuk Aug 18 16:29:57 i encountered similar things i nthe past Aug 18 16:30:02 hey lardman, lcuk Aug 18 16:30:06 and just ended up adding a subset of packages Aug 18 16:30:07 hi crashanddie Aug 18 16:30:25 MohammadAG, ping Aug 18 16:30:40 lcuk: yeah I'm thinking of an mbarcode-all-plugins type of package and have a spash screen at first run that suggests the user goes back to HAM to install this if no plugins are found Aug 18 16:30:53 well Aug 18 16:30:54 would be nice if recommends was seen and acted upon by HAM though Aug 18 16:30:59 I wouldnt have it with none ever Aug 18 16:31:07 it runs with none though Aug 18 16:31:14 perhaps mbarcode itself should tie in with the "core" ones Aug 18 16:31:16 still.. Aug 18 16:31:30 yeah, but the core ones would still tend to get updates more often than mbarcode Aug 18 16:31:45 and that would mean an mbarcode release for a plugin tweak, which is not ideal Aug 18 16:31:57 can one have circular deps? and have them resolved? Aug 18 16:32:17 hmm Aug 18 16:32:33 i mean just making mbarcode depend on a couple of plugins Aug 18 16:32:54 lardman: make mbarcode-plugins-all real package that depends on all plugins. Aug 18 16:33:02 yeah but that would mean you could install the plugins, but they can't run without mbarcode not vice versa Aug 18 16:33:03 make mbarcode depend on mbarcode-plugins-all | mbarcode-plugin Aug 18 16:33:15 make mbarcode-plugin-foo Provide mbarcode-plugin Aug 18 16:33:23 lardman, I think you can force an installation of one package, and then the other package should install fine. Aug 18 16:33:43 Mece: forcing is one thing, but will HAM allow it? I think now Aug 18 16:33:44 lardman: that should work at least with apt and dpkg, and hopefully also with HAM, unless they screwed it up. Aug 18 16:33:44 not Aug 18 16:33:55 no. it wont. Aug 18 16:33:55 lardman: (that's what xorg does in debian) Aug 18 16:34:15 perhaps using deb deps is the wrong way to do this, I don't know Aug 18 16:35:01 lardman: and if my suggestion doesn't work, split out the part of mbarcode that everything depends on in a separate package. like a libmbarcode package Aug 18 16:37:12 svuorela: the problem is that mbarcode doesn't *need* any plugins, but just doesn't do very much without them Aug 18 16:37:32 i.e. nothing needs the plugins Aug 18 16:38:20 if I make mbarcode depend on mbarcode-all-plugins, which I don't really like but perhaps is the only way, can I remove one of the plugins that mbarcode-all-plugins depends on without problems? Aug 18 16:38:20 lardman: is that actually a interesting use case ? else, do a package mbarcode-plugin-dummy that provides mbarcode-plugin if you want to cater for that as well Aug 18 16:39:01 lardman, do you have a mechanism to disable plugins Aug 18 16:39:02 lardman: if you make mbarcode depend on mbarcode-all-plugins | mbarcode-plugin and make all the plugins provide mbarcode-plugin, then you should be able to remove all but one plugin Aug 18 16:39:03 probably not interesting, but I also want to avoid someone uninstalling a package and that getting dpkg all messed up as it was depended upon by the meta package Aug 18 16:39:08 or do they have all get used if they exist? Aug 18 16:39:18 svuorela: ah, I see where you're coming from now Aug 18 16:39:40 lcuk: no mechanism yet, but is on the list Aug 18 16:39:56 thats potentially why you are worrying more Aug 18 16:40:15 like firefox etc, you can disable individual plugins Aug 18 16:40:15 * svuorela found at least one very useless mbarcode plugin Aug 18 16:40:16 yeah Aug 18 16:40:23 and so users would look for a way to uninstall really Aug 18 16:40:29 unless they uninstalled specifics Aug 18 16:40:53 ok, so I like svuorela's suggestion and also need to get the enable/disable page working asap Aug 18 16:41:30 lardman: it is solutions that is tested in debian since ages ,) Aug 18 16:42:09 hence my asking for some Debian gurus as I'm not one ;) Aug 18 16:42:15 thank too :) Aug 18 16:42:19 thanks even Aug 18 16:42:23 * lardman can't type today Aug 18 16:42:44 I'm one fo the debian qt/kde guys, so I have learned some tricks ;) Aug 18 16:43:23 I want full qt 4.6 docs offline for N900 Aug 18 16:43:23 lardman: while you are around, I have a few interesting requests. if I scan a datamatrix/qrcode that contains a vcard or a mecard it would be nice if they could be inserted into the addressbook, and if I scan a code that contains a ical event, getting it into my calendar could be nice. Aug 18 16:43:38 the first should work Aug 18 16:44:28 (I'm kind of hackin on getting some of the kde apps to be able to show 2d barcodes of data ;) Aug 18 16:44:37 the second I'm not so sure about as ical isn't recognised by the MIME handler, so I'd need to find some example code for calendar manipulation and when I last looked I couldn't find any Aug 18 16:45:25 but yes, that was my original plan, to get iCal working, I'm happy to take another look at that if someone can point me towards some relevant code Aug 18 16:46:24 lardman: when I tried mecards a while ago, I didn't get the possibility to do anything about it Aug 18 16:47:59 hmm, mecards I might not have finished Aug 18 16:48:26 I've been away for a month or so, sorry about that Aug 18 16:48:40 no need to be sorry ;) Aug 18 16:49:01 well I feel bad as these things should have been sorted out, but I've just been really busy at the day job Aug 18 16:49:14 ok, I'll have a check on the mecard code Aug 18 16:49:22 and also iCal if I can find some import method Aug 18 16:52:03 lardman: rather than feeling bad, just offer people their license fees back. Aug 18 16:52:24 lardman: iCal? Aug 18 16:53:14 licence fees? Aug 18 16:53:19 crashanddie: calendar exchange Aug 18 16:53:34 svuorela: yeah, I'm not the BBC! :) Aug 18 16:53:48 lardman: you're charging for mbarcode? Aug 18 16:54:19 no of course not Aug 18 16:54:45 hihi Aug 18 16:56:24 holy crap, $260k for a watch Aug 18 16:56:58 hmm Aug 18 16:57:09 http://www.gtspirit.com/2010/08/17/parmigiani-fleurier-bugatti-super-sport Aug 18 17:02:49 crashanddie, hey buddy Aug 18 17:03:03 hi Aug 18 17:03:16 Conundrum! Aug 18 17:03:23 crashanddie sup Aug 18 17:03:27 I have an N900 game-gripper, but no N900! Aug 18 17:03:40 Gadgetoid_iMac so send it to me Aug 18 17:03:42 Gadgetoid_iMac, lol Aug 18 17:03:50 not much, just waiting for everyone getting ready and leaving to the restaurant Aug 18 17:03:52 I ordered a gamegripper today. Aug 18 17:03:53 Must review it! Aug 18 17:03:57 MohammadAG hey Aug 18 17:04:08 hi Aug 18 17:04:14 crashanddie, french food? =) Aug 18 17:04:28 aye Aug 18 17:04:28 MohammadAG51, have you missed me? Aug 18 17:04:29 It's not groundbreaking in terms of manufacture quality, but it certainly looks like it'll do what it says on the tin Aug 18 17:04:31 well, catalan Aug 18 17:04:32 i bet DocScrutinizer did Aug 18 17:04:39 ZogG, no Aug 18 17:04:43 MohammadAG51 =( Aug 18 17:05:06 crashanddie boune appetite Aug 18 17:05:11 I dare say the D-pad would even hit diagonals, although that would require support in the emulator for left/down etc to be registered as such Aug 18 17:05:16 ZogG, bon* Aug 18 17:05:31 MohammadAG51 - boner Aug 18 17:05:32 ZogG: it's a little restaurant, you're seated under the trees, and some old fat guy is half dying in front of a 5 billion degrees barbecue, cooking brochettes for everyone Aug 18 17:05:41 MohammadAG, hey, about the kinetic scrolling package.. Aug 18 17:06:01 ZogG: "bon appetit", pronounced "bohn apeh ti" Aug 18 17:06:09 crashanddie does he have gay waiters ? Aug 18 17:06:22 dunno Aug 18 17:06:43 I'm not used to asking people their sexual orientation when they're waiting my table Aug 18 17:06:44 crashanddie, i know how it's pronounced but never can learn to write it right, learned french for several years but don't remember a shit Aug 18 17:07:27 Mece, yeah? Aug 18 17:07:38 crashanddie, you can see it, it just sounds like this old guy has young employees serving tables at evening and him at night =) Aug 18 17:08:08 ah, no, it's a smallish family-owned thingie Aug 18 17:08:12 like, 10 tables max or so Aug 18 17:09:38 MohammadAG, you could change it to another package name, that replaces the files in the old package. that way ham wont suggest upgrade maemo 5 Aug 18 17:09:52 crashanddie just kidding Aug 18 17:11:20 Gonna have to hunt for a display N900 somewhere... ho hum Aug 18 17:11:41 Anyone here in/near Norwich? :D Aug 18 17:13:10 Gadgetoid_iMac broked a screen? Aug 18 17:13:16 maybe ebay can help you Aug 18 17:13:27 Nah ZogG, I need an N900 temporarily Aug 18 17:13:42 or some chinese sites aka dealerextreme Aug 18 17:13:57 Gadgetoid_iMac, would give mine for review but i'm from isral =) Aug 18 17:14:00 israel* Aug 18 17:14:09 Hahaha, wowser! Aug 18 17:14:24 Props to you guys for bringing us Infected Mushroom Aug 18 17:14:32 =)) Aug 18 17:15:00 And to a lesser extent.. .either Alogia or Angra... I can't remember which Aug 18 17:15:01 thank you to bringing us shrooms so we could bring you infected mushrooms =) Aug 18 17:15:05 Hahahahahaha Aug 18 17:15:25 and lsd so we give you skazi =) Aug 18 17:16:19 the music industry would be in a sorry state without drug abuse Aug 18 17:17:34 yeah Aug 18 17:17:35 is advanced-power package known to make Xorg use 100% CPU all the time? Aug 18 17:17:38 true Aug 18 17:18:23 why would noone till now port any task manager to maemo? Aug 18 17:18:31 i mean good detailed one Aug 18 17:18:42 anyone here have free heroes 2 installed? Aug 18 17:18:48 Because nobody has had time+skill+inclination Aug 18 17:18:54 bbl chaps Aug 18 17:18:57 thanks for the ideas Aug 18 17:20:13 SpeedEvil =( Aug 18 17:21:30 wtf is a task manager? Aug 18 17:21:51 isn't that a windose concept? Aug 18 17:21:56 oui Aug 18 17:21:57 DocScrutinizer nope Aug 18 17:22:12 i have one in my linups Aug 18 17:22:35 top with gui and more detailed Aug 18 17:22:43 and not that annoying as you =)_ Aug 18 17:22:56 The load applet had a process explorer on Diablo, not sure about the Maemo 5 version Aug 18 17:28:20 bef0rd haven't seen it there Aug 18 17:28:40 so we could see every process child and than to decide if is advanced-power package known to make Xorg use 100% CPU all the time? Aug 18 17:30:31 * DocScrutinizer throws htop at ZogG Aug 18 17:30:45 DocScrutinizer, it's not gui Aug 18 17:30:51 pfff Aug 18 17:30:53 and not that nice on small screen Aug 18 17:31:00 no touch thingy Aug 18 17:31:31 http://www.gadgetoid.com/2010/08/18/n900-game-gripper-review/ pow! Aug 18 17:32:31 ZogG, htop does the job pretty well Aug 18 17:33:01 advanced-power-monitor package rapes the cpu badly Aug 18 17:33:54 Gadgetoid_iMac how you managed to do it without n900 =P Aug 18 17:34:05 ZogG: a 'task manager' that has a mem footprint of 28MB and eats up 58% of CPU just for updating a fancy GUI is maybe shiny but *totally* useless for real life emergency handling Aug 18 17:34:30 DocScrutinizer just say you don't like me Aug 18 17:34:45 still i think it's much better than live wallpapers = Aug 18 17:34:47 =\ Aug 18 17:35:50 ZogG: I didn't Aug 18 17:36:00 Going to hunt down an N900 to do a followup + video if I can Aug 18 17:36:12 might just ask Nokia for one Aug 18 17:36:38 you can ask them - doubt you'll get any answer =) Aug 18 17:36:50 Well, they've sent me phones before Aug 18 17:36:58 Which I promptly lost down the side of the passenger seat in my car Aug 18 17:37:05 lol Aug 18 17:37:05 And accidentally sent them back an empty box... Aug 18 17:37:14 hahaha Aug 18 17:37:30 not really cool to do with company you want to get somewthing from them =) Aug 18 17:37:59 Indeed Aug 18 17:38:06 It was a hilarious escapade Aug 18 17:39:12 GAN900: ping Aug 18 17:41:41 Can't spawn "debian/rules": No such file or directory at /madbin/dpkg-buildpack age line 474. Aug 18 17:41:41 dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules clean failed with unknown exit code -1. Any idea as to why that occurs? In advance, thanks. Aug 18 17:41:56 Whops Aug 18 17:44:02 pastebining the file helps Aug 18 17:45:05 It appears Stsd Aug 18 17:45:25 Damn keyboard. It appears Stskeeps replied quite fast. Haha. Sorry about that. Accidentally hit enter too quick. Aug 18 17:46:48 Khertan: are you there? Aug 18 17:46:57 cc Khertan1 Aug 18 17:47:15 ** Khertan1 Aug 18 17:47:16 :P Aug 18 17:47:36 Khertan1, i heard xnt14 is searching for you Aug 18 17:48:06 yeah Aug 18 17:48:21 the "Auth to Twitter" button in Khweeteur isn't working :/ Aug 18 17:51:07 hm, does removing the bootvid (meaning, rm $VID) have any negative sideeffects like boot not executing? i don't wanna see those hands anymore... Aug 18 17:55:07 i hate those hands Aug 18 17:56:12 DocScrutinizer, pong? Aug 18 18:12:08 kerio: swap for nice pr0n Aug 18 18:12:19 heh Aug 18 18:12:27 really though, does it need to be there? Aug 18 18:12:52 yes, for some reason it needs the file, or boot will fail - aiui Aug 18 18:12:54 http://www.npccomic.com/2010/08/18/nokia-n900/ Aug 18 18:13:07 and can i switch it with a 1 frame video that's completely white? Aug 18 18:13:17 sure Aug 18 18:13:57 I even ran into the config file with pointer to that file, several times. Alas forgot Aug 18 18:25:37 Anyone want to take a jump into this tiny bit of error here in MADDE? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=789987&postcount=6 Quite frustrating, I might add. :) Aug 18 18:29:01 g/me blames it on the internet Aug 18 18:29:05 * lcuk blames it on the internet Aug 18 18:30:14 ah that reminds me Aug 18 18:30:21 Stskeeps, since you started using twitter again I thought I would remind you about a post I just made mentioning you and calling to action :P Aug 18 18:30:23 * frals starts VM to move debian/ folder somewhere Aug 18 18:30:44 :P Aug 18 18:30:51 lcuk: how should the dir structure be? Aug 18 18:30:52 frals, "git add debian" Aug 18 18:30:57 * frals never bothered with this... Aug 18 18:31:03 git commit -a -m "added debian folder cos I left it off" :P Aug 18 18:31:05 git push Aug 18 18:31:16 debian is ../ from src Aug 18 18:31:19 ;o Aug 18 18:31:22 o_O Aug 18 18:31:23 does it still work? :p Aug 18 18:31:35 packaging seperate from application, silly people! Aug 18 18:31:35 :P Aug 18 18:31:36 idunno how can it exist outside the main folder? Aug 18 18:32:07 lcuk: i have fmms/ and them fmms/src fmms/po fmms/debian Aug 18 18:32:10 or something along those lines :p Aug 18 18:32:13 frals, so you have only got git itself in the src folder Aug 18 18:32:17 * lcuk nods Aug 18 18:32:17 yes Aug 18 18:32:31 altho didnt I see a po folder in your gitorious? Aug 18 18:32:42 no, its a separete repo there Aug 18 18:32:52 because transifex has commit access there Aug 18 18:33:15 http://gitorious.org/fmms/fmms/trees/master/po Aug 18 18:33:26 you do have a po folder in your gitorious (however empty) Aug 18 18:33:27 oh yeah that one Aug 18 18:33:33 * lcuk knew he wasnt going blind Aug 18 18:33:38 its there because of ehh Aug 18 18:33:44 nfc, but its there! ;p Aug 18 18:33:58 and as for your base folder Aug 18 18:33:59 mmm Aug 18 18:34:07 combination of git moves usually does the trick Aug 18 18:34:17 bah Aug 18 18:34:19 :P Aug 18 18:34:45 lol Aug 18 18:34:45 having it separate means i dont have to have all the junk on device Aug 18 18:34:45 ;D Aug 18 18:35:04 then dont move it Aug 18 18:35:17 * lcuk will just file a bug against not being able to package your source :P Aug 18 18:35:20 so you remember Aug 18 18:35:22 ill engineering something! Aug 18 18:35:26 * lcuk nods Aug 18 18:35:37 it was only for a test as you know anyway Aug 18 18:35:45 yeah Aug 18 18:35:49 hmpf Aug 18 18:36:08 hihih Aug 18 18:36:22 my fish can see again! Aug 18 18:36:35 only feature im missing from svn is being able to checkout only a subfolder from git Aug 18 18:36:40 or more precisely, I found out the fish was still i nthe tank Aug 18 18:36:42 and its driving me insane every time Aug 18 18:36:49 lol Aug 18 18:37:22 hmm lcuk Aug 18 18:37:24 are there any alternative OSes that I could install on my n800 and are reasonably usable? Aug 18 18:37:43 lcuk: you are gonna need statusmenu-fmms and err sharing-fmms or something as well i guess Aug 18 18:37:45 Tu13es, chinook or diablo work well Aug 18 18:37:55 ..alternative OSes? Aug 18 18:38:05 iirc it has diablo on it already Aug 18 18:38:21 i figure it'd be fun to dig it out and install something new, if it was actually usable Aug 18 18:38:44 what was original on device OS for N800? Aug 18 18:39:10 Tu13es, in the 8x0 period people were inventive with OSes, the closest to really workable was Mer Aug 18 18:39:33 but people seemed to run happily with all sorts of things Aug 18 18:39:39 yeah, hmm Aug 18 18:39:43 i can't remember if i tried mer Aug 18 18:39:51 i was hoping for NITdroid but they stopped dev on the n8x0 ( Aug 18 18:39:52 :( Aug 18 18:40:01 I dont know what the latest great stable one was, I think it was 0.17 Aug 18 18:40:17 yeah, looks like it Aug 18 18:40:21 had good compatability too Aug 18 18:40:30 seemed that people could just transfer their apps Aug 18 18:40:51 cool Aug 18 18:42:11 Tu13es, have you installed Mirror on your 800? Aug 18 18:42:17 Mirror? Aug 18 18:42:25 its a tiling window manager like the fremantle one Aug 18 18:42:29 doesn't ring a bell Aug 18 18:42:31 but without the 3d requirement Aug 18 18:42:50 maybe not mirror Aug 18 18:42:57 ahhh phoey Aug 18 18:42:59 telescope Aug 18 18:43:42 http://www.youtube.com/user/DenielOlivo#p/a/u/2/6FhOf4evqtU Aug 18 18:44:30 ooh, cool Aug 18 18:57:01 Aside from Mauku and MaStory, what other blogging apps are available on Fremantle? Does a feature comparison list exist? Aug 18 18:57:45 ebzzry, not that I am aware of, but since you are in a position to try, if you identify the features please blog/upload them :) Aug 18 18:58:55 lcuk: OK Aug 18 19:20:35 tracker.cfg: # Minimizes memory use at the expense of indexing speed Aug 18 19:20:37 LowMemoryMode=false Aug 18 19:20:38 :-S Aug 18 19:20:47 heh Aug 18 19:21:48 # Set to true to disable indexing when running on battery Aug 18 19:21:49 BatteryIndex=false Aug 18 19:22:29 :-[ Aug 18 19:24:21 is there already some way to sync google calendar with the n900 calendar? :/ Aug 18 19:24:36 sucks that the exchange sync thingy does not work :( Aug 18 19:24:41 Hey Aug 18 19:24:48 Gh0sty: it works perfectly for me Aug 18 19:24:53 Gh0sty: what is the problem? Aug 18 19:25:06 if I try to sync it syncs 1 time and then stops? :/ Aug 18 19:25:21 huh? can't reproduce Aug 18 19:25:26 problem already talked about in 50 threads @ maemo.org it seems ... Aug 18 19:25:31 well Gh0sty. I have to fully resync every now and then, too. Esp. when I edit stuff on both, the device and on the web Aug 18 19:25:36 unless that should have gotten fixed the last weeks? :/ Aug 18 19:25:39 however, i use nuevasync.com to sync several google calendar accounts at once... Aug 18 19:26:45 ah yes nuevasync ... you pay for that? :/ Aug 18 19:27:15 I have a problem with my N900.. mircousb charger won't charge my N900 (but it will charge my brothers E75 or smth) and when i plug my n900 to computer it charges it Aug 18 19:27:22 nope, the free option is good enough for me Aug 18 19:27:31 my symbian phone could sync perfectly with mail for exchange Aug 18 19:27:46 Mehta: apple chargers only charge apple devices, too Aug 18 19:27:50 so I'm not surprised Aug 18 19:27:52 well perfectly ... things deleted did not get deleted on the google calendar but that was minor issue Aug 18 19:28:26 Mehta: you need to short the data wires Aug 18 19:28:39 see maemo.org and search the forum for dumb chargers Aug 18 19:28:48 rgr Aug 18 19:28:51 cheers Aug 18 19:29:23 or you can buy a cable from brando i believe which will do the same Aug 18 19:29:28 Haven't seeen this pic before: http://thecoolgadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/nokia_symbian_ui_concept_2010.jpg Aug 18 19:31:08 I just was wondering because it has worked like half a year before this Aug 18 19:31:12 they copied the "...." to show the current desktop from android Aug 18 19:31:32 just died day before yesterday Aug 18 19:32:46 haha alterego i make n900 do that for real :P Aug 18 19:33:38 Weird, why didn't that highlight my nick .. Aug 18 19:33:49 lcuk: yeah, this is symbian though :)P Aug 18 19:35:59 Quite funny though, do a google image search for "concept ui" and it's 90% Nokia, makes you wonder if they're all dreamers and no doers at Nokia :) Aug 18 19:36:07 guys Aug 18 19:36:12 name a random gtk app in extras Aug 18 19:36:36 gpodder Aug 18 19:36:45 Heh, I don't even use it :) Aug 18 19:36:50 gtk or hildon? Aug 18 19:37:22 frals, fMMS Aug 18 19:37:41 simple brightness applet Aug 18 19:37:43 lcuk, cept for fmms, trying to track down why 2 labels isnt showing for hwoarang ;) Aug 18 19:38:20 * lcuk does not generally know which framework different apps are written in Aug 18 19:38:52 xsnow! Aug 18 19:38:55 any widget Aug 18 19:39:02 almost Aug 18 19:39:19 ahhh frals: ecoach, 100% Aug 18 19:40:03 So symbian^4 is going to replace AIKON with Qt? Aug 18 19:40:22 I guess they can drop the Series 60 brand name. Aug 18 19:43:33 http://davemark.com/images/stencil.jpg Aug 18 19:43:36 That is sweet. Aug 18 19:45:06 lol Aug 18 20:12:24 which app is creating .mediaartlocal/ ? Aug 18 20:13:38 DocScrutinizer: google says "tracker". Aug 18 20:13:46 o.O Aug 18 20:14:03 have we got UFO:AI on N900 yet? Aug 18 20:14:26 ...or should I get right on that? Aug 18 20:16:20 so let me put it that way: How would I create cover art for albums that don't have yet? Aug 18 20:16:48 cat /dev/random > img.jpg Aug 18 20:16:50 :D Aug 18 20:16:58 mmm Aug 18 20:17:02 or, something like that. Aug 18 20:17:11 * lcuk will find out for you if no1 manages it DocScrutinizer Aug 18 20:18:50 I'm just puzzled about a few .medaiartlocal about 9 months old, which have nice cover picture, and some other albums never got that though I'm sure the usual sources in net have that cover as well Aug 18 20:24:02 * DocScrutinizer suspects canola to be creator of those cover arts Aug 18 20:25:28 ok hmm seems UFO:AI is a bit more... modern than the UFO games I played.. Aug 18 20:32:36 lcuk: weird thing is all the .mediaartlocal/ have a date of 2009-12-01, same time Aug 18 20:36:32 lcuk i think you are the guy i know from twitter? =P Aug 18 20:37:08 All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. Aug 18 20:37:22 see and my alterego left too :P Aug 18 20:38:52 lol... I just got a PM on a motorbike forum that "I shouldn't be posting legalese on public forums as I might get sued for giving wrong information" Aug 18 20:39:18 I was but quoting the law, with a link to the governmental website where it is hosted Aug 18 20:39:19 .. Aug 18 20:39:21 bloody suckers Aug 18 20:39:25 yeah Aug 18 20:39:39 but the law depends on both country and the fact you are interpretting what someone asked Aug 18 20:39:55 so you could show them clear full original scrolls of law Aug 18 20:39:59 which might be about something totally different Aug 18 20:40:36 well, in this case it was about "driving in EU countries with a 125 motorbike using a french car licence" Aug 18 20:40:39 quite specific :P Aug 18 20:40:45 "you are ok to pee in a milk bottle and deposit it behind a drainpipe after 3am, it says so here.." Aug 18 20:40:48 And I may not be the brightest around, but I'm not that thick :D Aug 18 20:41:11 you are quite chunky actually :P but yeah we know you aint thick dude Aug 18 20:41:24 oh yeah, I'm a slice alright :D Aug 18 20:41:48 are you enjoying new job? Aug 18 20:41:55 and more importantly, riding to work on newbike :P Aug 18 20:41:55 well, it's still hardcore training Aug 18 20:42:07 yeah, I went on the pushbike today, really enjoyed that Aug 18 20:42:13 "hardcore training" without knowing which job it is, I am afraid to ask Aug 18 20:42:15 thoroughly enjoying the motorbike rides too, though Aug 18 20:42:21 do you have to wear protective clothes? Aug 18 20:42:30 for training? No. Aug 18 20:42:38 For the motorbike, yes Aug 18 20:42:57 :D Aug 18 20:42:58 I was hired as a C++ dev on a VoIP platform Aug 18 20:43:06 cool beans! Aug 18 20:43:49 so there's like two other guys ("the other unmanageable C++ dev", and a PHP dev) and a maintenance chick getting trained along with me Aug 18 20:44:28 the guy who's training us probably has an IQ that surpasses all of ours combined Aug 18 20:44:53 cool Aug 18 20:45:00 so he's going at full speed, he actually just forgets parts of words and pronounces the end of the next word Aug 18 20:45:13 "SIP management" becomes "Simagement" Aug 18 20:45:15 i do that when typing Aug 18 20:45:34 I normally write a space before finishing the previous word Aug 18 20:45:34 so, really intense trying to keep up Aug 18 20:46:14 the guy who wrote the software lives pretty much next to the d-day beach in northwestern france Aug 18 20:46:32 he doesn't answer the phone, doesn't respond the emails, never has gtalk connected Aug 18 20:46:35 so its a bit of a trek if you need to see him? Aug 18 20:46:38 tsk tsk Aug 18 20:46:44 long ride through open countryside Aug 18 20:46:49 yeah Aug 18 20:47:23 and even though it runs on Linux, and the long-term plan is to open source the project Aug 18 20:47:38 it doesn't use a single bit of FOSS libraries Aug 18 20:48:05 XML parser? He wrote it himself, a new one. SIP library? He wrote it himself, a new one. Multi-host IPC library? He wrote it himself, a new one Aug 18 20:48:21 actually, lcuk, you'd like him :D Aug 18 20:48:36 * lcuk was just agreeing with you :P Aug 18 20:48:44 hey speaking of such matters Aug 18 20:48:47 liqcalc Aug 18 20:48:51 got a lovely front end now Aug 18 20:48:56 but no guts Aug 18 20:49:13 there happens to be osso-calculator-engine available as OSS in maemo :) Aug 18 20:49:20 The guy wrote an FTP server via which you can update the XML configuration of a project, but get this: he integrated the XML parser inside the FTP server, so it actually bounces your file if it's no good. Aug 18 20:49:20 canola sucks Aug 18 20:49:26 and I am trying to work out how to integrate it Aug 18 20:49:41 :-( Aug 18 20:50:29 lcuk: he wrote his own javascript engine :D Aug 18 20:50:32 lol crashanddie Aug 18 20:50:42 again, nothing drastic ;) Aug 18 20:50:47 SUUUUUUUCKS Aug 18 20:51:04 lcuk: well, there's dozens of 'em on the net Aug 18 20:51:31 lol crashanddie indeed Aug 18 20:51:50 lcuk: but yeah, even though this week is kinda tedious (having to listen to a guy full on about his stuff without ever seeing it run is quite painfull), the team is good, and I'm quite enjoying mixing with people again Aug 18 20:52:14 I'm sure as soon people start coming back from holidays and stuff, and I'm being asked to work on some bugs, things will smooth out very quickly Aug 18 20:52:18 Hi Aug 18 20:52:37 anyway, going to watch a true blood episode, bye all Aug 18 20:52:40 bloody idiots designing canola GUI Aug 18 20:52:57 windose brainwashed **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Aug 18 20:55:40 2010 Aug 18 20:55:59 DocScrutinizer, :P bah same as not wanting people to play games Aug 18 20:56:04 kids like new shiny Aug 18 20:56:28 so its not right for you, but others love its smoothness Aug 18 20:56:35 believe it or not, I'm too stupid to get back from playing a single song to playlist selection. Even no obvious way to quit that piece of shit Aug 18 20:56:44 shiny is good, response times is better Aug 18 20:56:50 ++ Aug 18 20:57:12 for the most parts seb, canola had both Aug 18 20:57:16 lcuk: what's wrong with other F/LOSS symbolic calculators? Aug 18 20:57:17 :/ Aug 18 20:57:17 has ^ Aug 18 20:57:25 kerio, they don't have solar panels Aug 18 20:57:31 oh, i see Aug 18 20:57:34 totally justified then Aug 18 20:57:47 lcuk: i remember using it on the n810, and especially remember the 30+ second boot time, and 5s menu response times Aug 18 20:57:51 lcuk: never tried it on n900 Aug 18 20:57:54 and I am not against it, I am merely pointing it out as a viable option Aug 18 20:58:07 crashanddie, should be revived after summer Aug 18 20:59:32 BCMM: let's start with complete takeover/hijacking of screen, so you need ctrl-bs hw-kbd shortcut to switch to any other app Aug 18 20:59:45 DocScrutinizer: ah, i think i remember it now Aug 18 20:59:58 DocScrutinizer: widget appearances are all custom aren't they? Aug 18 21:00:06 yep Aug 18 21:00:17 screw that Aug 18 21:00:37 feels like windows mobile Aug 18 21:01:08 needlessly theming widgets really annoys me Aug 18 21:01:21 (unless it's in a game, and done well) Aug 18 21:01:27 so probably that's a clue about which users are those considering canola a defacto standard Aug 18 21:02:14 wtf is canola? Aug 18 21:02:16 * lcuk giggles Aug 18 21:02:21 and doesn't create .mediaartlocal/ as well :-P Aug 18 21:02:49 DocScrutinizer, :D do you need slippers and pipe app? Aug 18 21:03:16 lcuk: Elementary! Aug 18 21:03:20 nurse app :-D Aug 18 21:03:42 o_O Aug 18 21:04:11 I am sure there are some hot themes we could make - multi desktop pannables Aug 18 21:04:20 when i was doing A-levels, our computing (not IT) teacher told us that it was a good idea to use nonstandard widget colours in our applications Aug 18 21:04:30 if they come with hookers XP Aug 18 21:04:39 that way, whichever screen the user was looking at, they'd know which application they were using... Aug 18 21:04:45 (facepalm) Aug 18 21:05:01 she was typically wrong on programming stuff too... Aug 18 21:05:10 * lcuk only ever sets base colors and captions on buttons and will let themes sort out the rest Aug 18 21:05:23 BCMM: I hope you gave her an F Aug 18 21:05:51 not entirely sure she could program, actually Aug 18 21:06:27 she tended to answer questions that weren't textbook-obvious by saying VB (which we were forced to use) "wasn't her language" Aug 18 21:06:37 eventually, she said that about quite a lot of other languages too... Aug 18 21:06:50 which one was? Aug 18 21:07:10 * DocScrutinizer starts to think the cover art maybe is included in the ID3-tags or whatever it's called, for the albums that have .mediaartlocal/ Aug 18 21:07:14 mavhc: we never worked that out... Aug 18 21:07:39 DocScrutinizer, yes, albumart is extracted from within the mp3s if its there Aug 18 21:07:50 DocScrutinizer: what's .mediaartlocal? Aug 18 21:07:52 so possibly it's actually tracker who creates these Aug 18 21:07:55 but i wouldn't be at all surprised if it was either something domain-specific like SQL or like HTML or something Aug 18 21:08:02 rsync always deletes it Aug 18 21:10:03 kerio: /media/mmc1/allofmp3/S/Sisters of Mercy/Floodland/.mediaartlocal Aug 18 21:10:07 lcuk: quite right to let themes sort it out, and it's not just aesthetic: overriding default colour schemes is people that hate the partially-sighted... Aug 18 21:10:14 DocScrutinizer: i know Aug 18 21:10:15 ^is for Aug 18 21:10:31 but rsync with --delete always deletes them and the mediaplayer still works fine Aug 18 21:10:48 BCMM, :P actually colour hints are enough but I don not make things unreadable Aug 18 21:11:22 kerio: so obviously tracker recreates them Aug 18 21:11:33 nope Aug 18 21:12:30 First N900 Maemo Coding competition looks to be all wrapped up with winners sorted in each category http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=780555#post780555 Aug 18 21:13:04 screwit, what a PITA Aug 18 21:13:21 ~lart tracker & mediaplayer Aug 18 21:13:24 * infobot declares tracker & mediaplayer a moron Aug 18 21:14:17 lol Aug 18 21:23:09 anyway a Throttle=10 instead of Throttle=0 doesn't hurt in tracker.cfg Aug 18 21:24:12 might easily fix some general sluggishness percieved by user during tracker doing its thing Aug 18 21:24:43 (throttle == unix niceness) Aug 18 21:24:52 it seems Aug 18 21:26:03 unix niceness on new enough kernel also means ionice unless you explicitly go poke withionice Aug 18 21:26:51 ShadowJK: \o/ Aug 18 21:28:11 what theme is this : http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13048&stc=1&d=1282109505 Aug 18 21:28:19 http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=13050&stc=1&d=1282109537 Aug 18 21:28:41 ? Aug 18 21:30:25 btw can anybody enlighten me how tracker/mediaplayer finds mp3 on uSD at all? I mean there's no single mentioning of /media/card(/*) in any of the include paths of tracker.cfg, just EXcludes Aug 18 21:30:49 magic Aug 18 21:30:55 nokia-magic Aug 18 21:31:06 fsck nokia-magic Aug 18 21:42:17 moin Aug 18 21:44:00 moinmoin Aug 18 21:44:08 moin DocScrutinizer51 Aug 18 21:48:39 nite all, sweet dreams Aug 18 22:07:39 hey Aug 18 22:08:03 is there any python lib that deals with n900s wifi? Aug 18 22:16:00 mc_teo`: os Aug 18 22:16:10 import os; os.system("ifconfig wlan0 up") Aug 18 22:27:58 is anyone using load applet to capture screenshots? Aug 18 22:28:17 I have Aug 18 22:28:40 * kerio uses ^P Aug 18 22:28:51 i cant make it work :) When I click the camera icon and then press the camera putton, the camera functionality pops up requiring me to open the camera cover Aug 18 22:28:57 = no screenshot taken Aug 18 22:29:48 I dunno. Aug 18 22:30:04 I think I used it a couple of times by just ignoring that, and waiting for it to timeout Aug 18 22:30:42 i see Aug 18 22:31:34 ctrl+shift+p works fine Aug 18 22:32:01 yes it does but i was just wondering ... Aug 18 22:32:36 It conflicts with camkeyd Aug 18 22:33:15 can i tweak that deamon? Aug 18 22:36:59 SpeedEvil: camkeyd is not installed :-/ Aug 18 22:37:55 anyway i ll use ctrl+shift+p Aug 18 23:20:26 please... a friend of mine installed kernel-power-settings (apt-get install kernel-power-settings), rebooted and uname-r keeps showing 2.6.28-omap1 Aug 18 23:21:32 is there more things to do in order to install kernel-power-settings ? Aug 18 23:22:22 looks like kernel-power-settings doesn't depend on the actual power kernel then... Aug 18 23:22:58 pigeon, what he should do? Aug 18 23:23:52 install kernel-power too i guess? Aug 18 23:24:49 ty! Aug 18 23:26:07 astruasdh: http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power Aug 18 23:27:09 it says kernel-power-settings will automatically other things, though it's not your case then... Aug 18 23:29:14 I said him to apt-get install kernel-power kernel-power-flasher kernel-power-settings Aug 18 23:29:28 this should work Aug 18 23:29:42 I need to find the better battery for my N97 Aug 18 23:33:40 I dont know other smartphones, but my battery is ok Aug 18 23:34:57 There are a few packages to add AIM/MSN/Yahoo! IM protocol support to the N900. Which is the proper package to choose? Aug 18 23:54:45 astruasdh: I feel its not enough Aug 18 23:54:52 I use it for 6-8 houres Aug 18 23:55:04 lolcat93, but you use it like a laptop? Aug 18 23:55:06 Playing with it, mobile broadband with bad reception Aug 18 23:55:08 Yes Aug 18 23:55:29 so it is ok, I think... my laptop lasts for an hour and half Aug 18 23:55:37 Yeah Aug 18 23:55:44 lolcat93, using as a cellphone, my n900 lasts 2,5 days Aug 18 23:55:48 But since I also use it as a phone Aug 18 23:56:01 I want the bigger battery Aug 18 23:56:11 ya Aug 18 23:56:22 Like, if it isn't too expencive Aug 18 23:56:37 I want to have the one with twice the capacity Aug 18 23:56:42 I will buy a unlimited 3g internet next week, so this battery will be a nice thing for me too Aug 18 23:56:42 I just dont know its name Aug 18 23:56:54 is there such a battery? Aug 18 23:57:07 but is it an official one? Aug 19 00:03:58 It is a third party one Aug 19 00:04:06 I have a "dumbass" insurance Aug 19 00:04:23 It covers any "accidental" mistake I migth make with the battery Aug 19 00:06:24 this one? http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/nokia/nokia-n900.html Aug 19 00:06:53 (and no i havent tried it :) Aug 19 00:07:38 Yes Aug 19 00:07:53 expencive though Aug 19 00:08:01 * lolcat93 checks deal-xtreme Aug 19 00:09:24 lolcat93, but it sounds good! Aug 19 00:09:34 can u tell me the name if u find it? Aug 19 00:09:44 see my link Aug 19 00:09:48 mugen Aug 19 00:10:37 nice, ty Aug 19 00:10:52 but it is not a nokia's offical one... is it? Aug 19 00:10:57 Nope Aug 19 00:11:00 no its not official Aug 19 00:11:02 But I'm insured Aug 19 00:11:23 What alternatives do I have? Carrying a charger, and hoping a socket is nearby Aug 19 00:11:37 A solar charger (it is quite dark in norway) Aug 19 00:11:54 The mugen battery Aug 19 00:11:56 u can buy a battery backpack and use it :P just kidding Aug 19 00:12:08 brb Aug 19 00:12:09 solar charger might work, friend of mine uses it in england and it's not like we ever have sun there Aug 19 00:12:59 I saw on dealxtreme there were some with 4000mAh batteries inside Aug 19 00:13:06 So it didn't actually need sun... Aug 19 00:15:49 a pocket full of original BL-5J Aug 19 00:16:52 All you need is a car charger, a 12V car charger socket, a sturdy backpack and http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/12V-90AH-800AMPS-VARTA-CAR-BATTERY-/260651179172?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM Aug 19 00:17:11 lolcat93: 4000mAh formfactor BL-5J??? that's nuttin, you can buy a 800.000mAh from me - at least that's what's written on it when it comes to you Aug 19 00:17:48 Dealxtreme could probaly send me CHEAP ass batteries and a charger that doesn't require the phone... Aug 19 00:17:59 Run your n900 for around a couple of months active time. Aug 19 00:18:38 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.32444 Aug 19 00:19:08 I could buy four originals for the price of a mugen Aug 19 00:19:18 or 20 unoriginals Aug 19 00:19:25 I question if those are originals. Aug 19 00:19:26 both a better deal Aug 19 00:19:57 It says and I quote: "100% genuine Nokia product" Aug 19 00:20:19 ... Aug 19 00:20:25 $14.97 shipped if I buy 5... Aug 19 00:21:51 questionable quality Aug 19 00:23:23 Original battery sucks, so this one probably does too Aug 19 00:23:40 But I could always buy 10 of the unoriginal for $30 Aug 19 00:23:56 I'd either go for the ~30$ genuine Nokia ones from a local dealer you can hit his nose when it's a fake, or for the 5$ explicit fake ones. No use in paying for counterfeit "package" Aug 19 00:24:27 My suggestion is _much_ better value. Aug 19 00:24:57 For around the same price as 5 bl5js, you get abourt 300* the storage. Aug 19 00:25:16 And you can cancel that expensive gym membership too. Aug 19 00:25:33 hmm one bl5j = 5$... Aug 19 00:25:43 :-) Aug 19 00:26:00 one BL-5J Nokia is 30$ Aug 19 00:26:04 maybe more Aug 19 00:26:17 It's $15 for those 'genuine' nokia batteries. Aug 19 00:26:39 that's double fake Aug 19 00:27:17 as you also have to pay for the counterfeit hologram and shits Aug 19 00:27:23 lmao Aug 19 00:27:28 DocScrutinizer: $3 with shipping for the fake one Aug 19 00:28:00 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.34910 Would this work to charge it? Aug 19 00:28:41 Oh well, it is so cheap I can afford it anyways... Aug 19 00:29:05 a once off charger? Aug 19 00:29:42 If I buy 10 fake, or 5 fake fake I will need somehow to charge it without putting it into the phone Aug 19 00:29:55 lol Aug 19 00:30:06 how about 2 fake fake fake? Aug 19 00:30:20 that particular charger looks really crappy Aug 19 00:30:46 not even mentioning any charge management Aug 19 00:31:02 could get nasty Aug 19 00:31:05 So I need a real charger then Aug 19 00:31:07 I agree Aug 19 00:31:18 But how much could that be? Aug 19 00:31:48 seen other ones with at least some product description mentioning charge management electronics, for about same pricetag Aug 19 00:32:18 Where? Aug 19 00:32:26 ebaeh Aug 19 00:34:05 like 7.99 with one fake bl5j "genuine" Aug 19 00:34:33 But the comments confirms this is real... Aug 19 00:34:52 don't ask *me* Aug 19 00:35:14 I'm proud to claim I wasn't the one who built them Aug 19 00:35:53 It is not impossible they get cheap ones. Aug 19 00:36:04 Sometimes the factories can be convinced to run off extras. Aug 19 00:36:25 For example - I have a Thinkpad X60S laptop. Aug 19 00:36:46 I have a replacement factory identical bottom metal shell. Aug 19 00:36:57 Also a identical to original power connector Aug 19 00:38:05 I found out, five batteries, *migth* be a little impractical... Aug 19 00:38:21 But that would give me 40 houres of phone usage Aug 19 00:38:26 48 actually Aug 19 00:38:41 for extra-long benders? Aug 19 00:40:15 Huh? Aug 19 00:44:19 But I need to do something about this battery time Aug 19 00:44:31 I could probably order one of each though Aug 19 00:46:39 What is your usecase? Aug 19 00:47:22 lolcat93: http://gadgetgui.de/blog/2007/02/kurbelantrieb-fuers-handy/ Aug 19 00:47:28 :-P Aug 19 00:47:53 I go from my house, and use the phone VERY active aroudn town in bad reception areas for about 12 houres a day. Aug 19 00:48:12 Most of the time I do not have time to charge the battery in a wall/computer socket Aug 19 00:48:47 DocScrutinizer: Would rather use a solar panel Aug 19 00:49:57 lolcat93: ah Aug 19 00:52:23 c'mon, 2.99GBP Aug 19 00:52:36 meh, out of stock Aug 19 00:54:22 DocScrutinizer: What? Aug 19 00:58:08 lolcat93: http://www.gadgetshop.com/ViewAll/Wind-Up-Phone-Charger/EPN274050 2.99GBP, out of stock Aug 19 01:01:27 anyway I'd sugest to use CA-146C adapter with such device, not to make magic blue smoke escape from N900 Aug 19 01:04:28 blue smoke is awesome though :o Aug 19 01:23:43 hmm, what's the remedy for fcam stopping the led from working? Aug 19 01:36:20 pigeon, stop mce; sleep 1; start mce Aug 19 01:37:24 i've done that, even rebooted, and uninstalled fcam too, but still :( Aug 19 01:46:06 ouch Aug 19 01:46:23 which LED stopped working? Aug 19 01:47:08 * DocScrutinizer frowns Aug 19 01:47:12 charging light not working, all tests from LED patterns fail. Aug 19 01:47:26 Odd. Aug 19 01:47:32 that's really odd Aug 19 01:47:36 Unplug bat. Aug 19 01:47:40 And USB Aug 19 01:47:41 mhm Aug 19 01:47:47 * pigeon tries. Aug 19 01:47:49 now, plug in bat, and plug in charger Aug 19 01:48:00 If the yellow does not go on - it's a hardware failure Aug 19 01:48:03 watch LED Aug 19 01:48:36 at least a short yellow flashing should be visible for sure Aug 19 01:48:41 you know Aug 19 01:48:55 kill mce and bme, then shove an empty battery in there Aug 19 01:49:45 MohammadAG51: bq24150 recovery charge *always* kicks in, until bme/mce started Aug 19 01:49:48 or NOLO Aug 19 01:49:53 to be precise Aug 19 01:50:32 first hardware emg-chrg yellow, then NOLO yellow flashing, then bme/mce yellow flashing Aug 19 01:51:44 First stage is yellow LED - before CPU has booted. Aug 19 01:51:52 No software is running at this point Aug 19 01:52:04 on plugin of charger to a powered down system. Otherwise without USB the first thing is NOLO ramping up white lifelight LED Aug 19 01:52:40 well, the powering on led light still works Aug 19 01:52:45 also a good test Aug 19 01:53:08 as it includes all 3 LED colors plus LP5523 Aug 19 01:53:36 then /etc/mce/mce.ini probably is borked Aug 19 01:53:56 unplugging the batteries seem to have done the trick. Aug 19 01:54:02 strange enough we had same issue yesterday Aug 19 01:54:15 charging light is back Aug 19 01:54:24 mhm, then it's been a lockup of LP5523 Aug 19 01:54:51 there's no way to hardreset LP5523 except removal of battery Aug 19 01:55:05 thanks Aug 19 01:55:18 * DocScrutinizer highfives SpeedEvil Aug 19 01:55:54 :) Aug 19 01:55:59 guess i'll try fcam again much later... :) Aug 19 01:56:37 unrelated to fcam Aug 19 01:57:12 I'd guess... :-) Aug 19 01:57:16 i thought it was only because of: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60508&page=5&highlight=fcam Aug 19 02:08:45 hmm, no idea Aug 19 02:09:11 can't see how fcam would interfere with indicator LED at all Aug 19 02:09:32 but LED blinker device somewhat sounds like that, yes Aug 19 02:10:25 otoh maybe that's flash LED 'blinker', dunno Aug 19 02:18:04 pigeon: are U using titan kernel? Aug 19 02:18:33 DocScrutinizer: i'm using power kernel. Aug 19 02:18:47 *nod* Aug 19 02:19:05 is that titan? Aug 19 02:19:06 obviously another flaw in that kernel Aug 19 02:22:45 there are several malprovements in that kernel, e.g aiui loading the bq27200 module locks up direct I2C access to the batery gauge chip so all kinds of strange things can happen as we don't know exactly why is usually talking to that chip via I2C and what's going to bork when that fails. At least bme is known to query bq27200 via I2C directly Aug 19 02:23:40 wouldn't feel surprised if LP5523.ko also got messed up in some way Aug 19 02:24:34 or any other incompatibility that interferes with mce, leading to mce in turn messing up LP5523 chip Aug 19 02:24:48 sounds ugly Aug 19 02:25:02 the only thing i want from that kernel, really, is nat. Aug 19 02:25:06 is there another kernel that supports wifi monitor mode? Aug 19 02:25:12 heh Aug 19 02:25:31 messing with kernel without thorough knowledge of the whole system and possible incompatibilities is nasty by definition Aug 19 02:26:05 i suppose i could rebuilt from the stock config with nat turned on if i'm desperate... yeah? Aug 19 02:26:14 yep Aug 19 02:26:19 think so **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Aug 19 02:59:57 2010