**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 20 02:59:56 2010 Aug 20 03:00:17 TiagoTiago, for any reason in particular? Or just inexplicably suddenly pissed off? Or 'pissed' in the sense the British use the word? Aug 20 03:00:29 back when i still hadn't installed anything i came here asking for suggestion on what would be the better way to make sure i wouldn't run out of memory to install stuff and i was told to come back when it becomes an issue, as if it wasn't somhing i shloud worry about Aug 20 03:01:23 it's not Aug 20 03:01:53 guess what, it's full, and i have lots of stuff i would have to reinstall and setup again, and my PC has HDD issues right now Aug 20 03:02:00 Actually, that's a good question. Is there a new script floating around to tell you what's taking up space on / ? Aug 20 03:02:07 du Aug 20 03:02:27 well, yeah, du would be part of it Aug 20 03:02:33 … Aug 20 03:02:39 du does everything you asked for Aug 20 03:02:39 there is a program that shows a "treemap" of the storage areas Aug 20 03:03:05 luke-jr, by "what's taking up space" I meant "what packages" not "what files" Aug 20 03:03:12 o i c Aug 20 03:03:38 so ideally, I'd probably want to pick the top several files and see what packages "own" them Aug 20 03:03:56 If no one knows of one I'll write one in a couple minutes Aug 20 03:04:01 it's called Storage Usage i think Aug 20 03:04:14 hm Aug 20 03:04:17 well Aug 20 03:05:48 other than uninstalling/deleting stuff there is nothing i can do to once again be able to install stuff without having to reflash or otherwise wipe the "disks"? Aug 20 03:06:45 well, some packages (especially from -testing or -devel) might not be properly packaged to put big files on the big storage, so a lot of times you'll find 1 or 3 packages that were taking up 80% of your space Aug 20 03:14:25 There is really no way to do a live repartitioning without loosing data? Aug 20 03:14:47 loosing data? Aug 20 03:14:54 who cares about that Aug 20 03:15:02 live repartition that thing Aug 20 03:15:50 i guess that was redundant Aug 20 03:15:53 Not sure re-partitioning would help in your care ... Aug 20 03:16:07 s/care/case/ Aug 20 03:16:07 johnx meant: Not sure re-partitioning would help in your case ... Aug 20 03:16:42 why not? wouldn't it grow the partitions that are to small while shrinking the partiton that got space to spare? Aug 20 03:16:46 johnx, it probably wouldn't but it would provide some lulz Aug 20 03:19:45 TiagoTiago, uhm, the small / partition (that holds the OS and small parts of programs that need to be opened quickly) is a physically separate chip from the bigger storage on /opt and /home/user Aug 20 03:20:10 but first, just try and get a handle on which packages are taking up the most space Aug 20 03:20:19 also, how much space do you have left on /? Aug 20 03:20:44 6MB Aug 20 03:21:23 123 on /home Aug 20 03:22:32 ok. just checking because some people say things like "I only have 128MB left on /! Help!" Aug 20 03:22:41 so go figure out what packages are wasting the most space Aug 20 03:23:02 there is a folder called git-core that is using up lots of space, can i do somthing with it without risk? Aug 20 03:23:14 what package does it belong to? Aug 20 03:23:24 I thought you were saying "storage usage" told you that? Aug 20 03:24:09 nomis, sorry, i only saw you were looking for the package info after i had already sent the msg Aug 20 03:24:22 hm, sorry* Aug 20 03:24:36 ah, then give me a sec and I'll write a script that does it :) I've been meaning to do that for a while Aug 20 03:24:53 you gonna be on here for another 30 minutes or so? Aug 20 03:30:20 ok Aug 20 03:31:02 hah! flash will save you 6MB right there :) Aug 20 03:31:22 ? Aug 20 03:31:42 I'm testing my script. Getting rid of flash will save you 6MB on / :) Aug 20 03:34:08 but i use flash o.o Aug 20 03:34:16 well, that's a problem :) Aug 20 03:38:05 I remember i saw some scripts on the wiki to optfy some known progs but they had all sorts of warnings about things from missing icons to reboot loop and even plain bricking Aug 20 03:38:26 yeah, they're even less safe now :) Aug 20 03:38:31 they were made for 1.0 I think Aug 20 03:38:47 and they failed to take symlinks into account anyways, so now they show a lot of false positives Aug 20 03:38:56 better to have a script provide suggestions and then take action on your own Aug 20 03:39:58 :( Aug 20 03:40:17 Hiya :D Aug 20 03:42:54 hi :) Aug 20 03:43:14 Hows it going random interweb person Aug 20 03:43:33 pretty great, other voice in my head :) Aug 20 03:43:46 Sweet :D Aug 20 03:46:18 so what brings you to this corner of the intarwebz? Aug 20 03:47:00 random i guess :) Aug 20 03:47:21 started just messin with some1 but they took it the wrong way Aug 20 03:47:28 was funny as hell xD Aug 20 03:47:39 so folk cant handle the banter Aug 20 03:48:42 *some Aug 20 03:49:01 and some people are just really really good at annoying other people Aug 20 03:50:06 yea true Aug 20 04:00:33 can i uninstall git or does the system needs it? Aug 20 04:00:46 uhm, did you install it? Aug 20 04:01:17 I dont remember Aug 20 04:01:37 seems like somthing i would install, but i donmt remember if i did Aug 20 04:02:02 well, go and see if it's listed in application manager Aug 20 04:02:10 or try and remove it from the command like with apt-get Aug 20 04:02:25 apt-get will warn you if uninstalling it would uninstall other packages Aug 20 04:02:52 yeah, it's listed on HAM, gonna gimme about 10MB back Aug 20 04:03:05 so....n900 is oficially dead eh? Aug 20 04:03:17 does HAM do that too? Aug 20 04:03:20 N9, and you killed him! murderer! Aug 20 04:03:37 TiagoTiago, if it's listed in HAM, then, yeah, you probably installed it :) Aug 20 04:03:47 ok Aug 20 04:04:00 no more n900 on nokiausa site for purchase.... obsolete 9 months after release Aug 20 04:04:24 liers Aug 20 04:04:55 wow, not even on nokiausa? Aug 20 04:05:11 exactly Aug 20 04:05:16 didn't Nokia said the sa!es of the N900 surpassed their expectative by an order of magnitude or so? Aug 20 04:05:24 I was seeing decent deals for it coming up in my RSS reader for a while, but $399 is still a bit much just for a spare Aug 20 04:05:25 sales* Aug 20 04:05:38 could be they stopped making them too early :) Aug 20 04:06:05 TiagoTiago: maybe it did surpas....what im sayin is it is now being killed off by nokia Aug 20 04:06:19 perhaps we're gonna have a G2 N900? Aug 20 04:06:54 n9 is coming Aug 20 04:10:02 do you just make shit up or what? Aug 20 04:10:04 http://www.nokiausa.com/find-products/phones/nokia-n900 Aug 20 04:10:48 they should keep the two chars names for the Symbian^* devices Aug 20 04:11:03 http://store.nokia.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdetail_10500_10101_-1_10000367 -- or if you prefer, in stock, 479 and well...still there Aug 20 04:11:28 ok...it came back i guess Aug 20 04:12:33 http://pastebin.ca/1920798 Aug 20 04:12:42 that should do it Aug 20 04:12:56 you can tweak the script to give you a different number of results Aug 20 04:14:30 /home can be repartitioned, right? Aug 20 04:14:36 yeah Aug 20 04:14:47 you could change the split between /opt and /home Aug 20 04:14:53 how can i repartiton it without loosing data? Aug 20 04:15:17 back up your data first Aug 20 04:15:17 isn't opt inside home? Aug 20 04:15:34 /home/user and /opt I should say Aug 20 04:15:39 err scratch that Aug 20 04:15:44 /home/user/MyDocs and /opt Aug 20 04:17:02 i find it hard to believe it's not possible to change partiton sizes of existing partitons without loosing the dataa already in them if there is enough free space in the partiton that's being reduced Aug 20 04:17:33 yeah, so install parted, read the manual, carefully change partition sizes Aug 20 04:17:40 and if you screw up your phone doesn't boot Aug 20 04:17:56 TiagoTiago: there are, it's not easy...good luck. I've only used them on desktop systems Aug 20 04:18:00 then reflash it, and pray that you backed up Aug 20 04:18:32 why it isn't as easy as it is on a desktop? Aug 20 04:19:32 because no one ported the the nice partitioning app Aug 20 04:19:38 TiagoTiago: you assume it's easy on a desktop Aug 20 04:19:40 maybe you could port it and adapt it to the small screen? Aug 20 04:19:45 because your desktop OS hides the ugly details Aug 20 04:19:54 luke-jr, used gparted? Aug 20 04:20:01 johnx: no Aug 20 04:20:02 when i did it on my desktop it was Aug 20 04:20:14 johnx: and that's part of hiding details Aug 20 04:20:20 gparted is actually pretty nice and I've found it quite reliable Aug 20 04:20:27 and on your desktop when something goes wrong you just boot off a cd/network/anything and fix it Aug 20 04:20:28 no real reason it couldn't be hildonized Aug 20 04:20:52 the use case is pretty slim though Aug 20 04:21:01 really? Aug 20 04:21:05 and are you really running out of space on /home/opt? Aug 20 04:21:49 i thought there were lots of people that had to repartion 'cause of the little space for applications Aug 20 04:22:21 example? Aug 20 04:22:45 there's 2 gigs...and I'm not even 50% full and I have a lot of apps I'm sure compared to others Aug 20 04:23:13 Storage Usage says opt is using 1.2 gigs from /home Aug 20 04:24:07 resizing a mounted partition isn't a wise thing Aug 20 04:24:10 aaah, and you want to claim more space for your mp3s? Aug 20 04:24:29 DocScrutinizer, ah, right. that is one of the big show stoppers Aug 20 04:25:31 if i close all the programs on the dashboard, is there still somthing under /home that is needed? Aug 20 04:25:52 opt for example Aug 20 04:26:10 what in opt would be needed? Aug 20 04:26:46 could the repartitioning be scheduled to the next boot to happen before it's mounted? Aug 20 04:26:49 lsof might tell you of a few things Aug 20 04:27:02 yes Aug 20 04:27:16 TiagoTiago, look, unless you're going to write an app to repartition the device, you're out of luck Aug 20 04:27:20 if you dare to tamper with initscripts Aug 20 04:27:25 and no, I don't recommend taking space away from opt Aug 20 04:27:39 just get yourself a microsd card if you're out of space in MyDocs Aug 20 04:27:48 or, delete some of your mp3s Aug 20 04:27:55 good luck, back later Aug 20 04:27:58 wait Aug 20 04:28:02 no Aug 20 04:28:02 he ran out of space in MyDocs⁇ Aug 20 04:28:05 how is that even possible? Aug 20 04:28:24 I just wanna grow /home and children, i know i'll have less space on the fat partition Aug 20 04:28:27 I shrank my MyDocs to 2 GB and haven't even noticed Aug 20 04:28:47 TiagoTiago: the fat partition *is* the *only* child of /home Aug 20 04:29:19 i thought the fat partition had like 25 GB and not just 2 Aug 20 04:29:26 yes Aug 20 04:31:03 Storage Space tells me /home, with opt inside, has only 2GB total, while MyDocs has a bunch og gigs Aug 20 04:31:19 of* Aug 20 04:31:19 exactly? Aug 20 04:31:23 and you're out of space in opt? Aug 20 04:32:16 there is still 123 MB left there, i want more Aug 20 04:33:00 MOAR Aug 20 04:34:06 oo, found a way in Storage Space to see consumption per package, it's in the "hidden" title bar menu :) Aug 20 04:34:24 ooo* Aug 20 04:35:37 doesn't help all that much. difficult to tell what space is used where Aug 20 04:35:52 one of your games is probably using all the space in opt Aug 20 04:36:02 away now :) mythbusters time :D Aug 20 04:41:59 du /opt |sort -n|less Aug 20 04:42:45 then pick the greedy hog pkg and mv to MyDocs, and symlink Aug 20 04:43:19 I wish i hadn't believed when i was told i shouldn't worry about space, and instead repartitioned /home to a decent size before having instal!ed all the progs Aug 20 04:46:18 tzz Aug 20 04:47:03 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# df -h /home Aug 20 04:47:04 Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on Aug 20 04:47:06 /dev/mmcblk0p2 2.0G 384.1M 1.5G 20% /home Aug 20 04:47:06 ? Aug 20 04:47:18 and I'm not exactly running a lean system here Aug 20 04:48:19 maybe even: Aug 20 04:48:27 du /home |sort -n|less Aug 20 04:48:54 2G won't get lost by accident Aug 20 04:49:53 thare has to be one app that better had its files installed to MyDocs rather than /opt or ~user Aug 20 04:51:13 My take on that is summarized in Aug 20 04:51:18 ~optification Aug 20 04:51:19 rumour has it, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs Aug 20 04:51:39 but nevertheless, 2G isn't exactly small Aug 20 04:53:17 moment, uninstalling stuff, HAM keeps freezing everything Aug 20 04:53:44 and, as you see even in URL above, any package eating up too large chunks of 2G /home is supposed to rather move such files to MySpace Aug 20 04:55:20 less not found Aug 20 04:58:57 I knew he'd say that ;-) Aug 20 05:01:38 do you think you know how to cope with this, or should I suggest a few solutions? Aug 20 05:03:02 I'll study that page, if i still can't make things better i'll vome back Aug 20 05:04:20 lolcat93, flipping channels i've stumbled upon "Zombie Stripers" xP Aug 20 05:04:56 erm, wtf?! Aug 20 05:05:05 how did i do autocomplete? Aug 20 05:33:22 Morning, all Aug 20 05:33:31 moin Aug 20 06:11:56 Ahhahahaha: http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6424/1480435621a76c04303e0b3.jpg Aug 20 06:12:14 The TRUE Mac Mini! Aug 20 06:15:25 wow, that's disturbing Aug 20 06:16:53 i think n9 design is shitty Aug 20 06:17:02 good night (i'm after night shift ) Aug 20 06:19:43 i still miss the keyboard on the g1 Aug 20 06:19:58 easily the best i've had on a phone... Aug 20 06:22:34 also, with the recent complaints about the microusb port on the n900, and an editorial of sorts attributing it to the fact that the connector is simply soldered on... you'll all appreciate that the pics of the pcb of the n9 also appears to show the microusb port simply soldered on :P Aug 20 06:23:12 ieatlint: someone else noticed it was done differently than on n900 Aug 20 06:24:59 * ieatlint shrugs... looks like just solder to me http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277344 Aug 20 06:29:33 Stskeeps: He is right, it is simply soldered on Aug 20 06:29:59 doesn't it have to be soldered anyway? :P Aug 20 06:30:06 Stskeeps: not even the usual plastic goo to protect it. on the other hand, it is labeled as a B2 prototype Aug 20 06:30:44 Stskeeps: Well, if you *are* stupid/dogmatic enough to go with the microUSB for charging, you should at least screw it to the board Aug 20 06:30:49 connectors are often attached to pcbs with plastic tabs to make them much more durable Aug 20 06:31:28 Stskeeps: If you are too much of a miser to spend on screws, use the connector with the pins going all the way through the PCB Aug 20 06:31:29 solder is of course an extremely soft metal that with stress will fail over time Aug 20 06:31:42 Stskeeps: But the supposed "N9" connector is simply surface-soldered. Aug 20 06:31:59 ieatlint: the PCB traces will most likely fall off first Aug 20 06:32:07 moo wazd Aug 20 06:32:12 haha, perhaps Aug 20 06:32:22 that's even worse of a repair Aug 20 06:33:01 i'm wondering if the issue on the n900 is just a matter of luck, abuse, or some combination thereof Aug 20 06:33:19 Stskeeps: Of course, a much easier solution would be to provide a 3.5" or even a 2" power plug socket Aug 20 06:33:29 ieatlint: oh, it is simple Aug 20 06:33:49 couldn't the port also be glued on in addition to being soldered on? or is that a difficult process-wise.. Aug 20 06:34:10 should just do it same way n810 had it for the small port.. Aug 20 06:34:13 ieatlint: it is a matter of bending the plug face down/up Aug 20 06:34:19 plastic thing around it, easily replacable Aug 20 06:34:40 ieatlint: As long as you only bend it sideways, it is ok, but when you bend the whole thing up or down, the strain is too much and it comes off Aug 20 06:34:58 heh, good to know Aug 20 06:35:16 ieatlint: this may happens either because of your habits pulling it out, or because somebody pulled the cable and the thing flew Aug 20 06:41:46 OK, that settles it. Android can take a walk. *grumbles* Aug 20 06:45:46 also, hummus is awesome Aug 20 06:45:55 it is Aug 20 06:45:56 i should go get some hummus, flatbread and beer Aug 20 06:56:16 hmm, should apps that install a .desktop file in /home/user/.local/share/applications/hildon also automatically be listed in the "Add shortcut" list in the Desktop customization menu? Aug 20 06:58:32 andre__, why should they not? Aug 20 06:59:21 yeah, I'm wondering Aug 20 07:03:38 MohammadAG is a freaking genius btw Aug 20 07:03:55 Especially if he pulls off a community SSU for N900 Aug 20 07:18:59 if he pulls off a community ssu, and i have the time, i'll actually look at trying to fix a bug or two or more Aug 20 07:19:37 RST38h: community ssu is easy.. Aug 20 07:19:44 the timing is what might be problem Aug 20 07:20:03 cos all hell breaks loose if a SSU comes out when people are using cssu :) Aug 20 07:20:33 i now have beer, hummus and flatbread, i am pleased Aug 20 07:20:50 ieatlint, your nick is false advertising :P Aug 20 07:21:23 for you it is Aug 20 07:24:13 ieatlint: pics or it didn't happen ;) Aug 20 07:24:31 you want pics of my food/beer? Aug 20 07:25:50 I think he wants pics of why your nick is 'ieatlint' :D Aug 20 07:26:12 beer is far more interesting Aug 20 07:32:03 so, I know there have been a couple general purpose daemons for mapping 'events' to 'actions' like ActionManager (and there was something kinda similar for Maemo 4) Aug 20 07:32:34 Is there anything like that in a reasonably working state that works in a hardware abstracted general sort of way? Aug 20 07:33:58 moo johnx Aug 20 07:34:05 m00f RST38h Aug 20 07:34:40 johnx: afaik maemo5 has no uniform way to report hw events Aug 20 07:34:45 johnx: so, prolly not Aug 20 07:35:05 but listening to certain dbus messages and acting on them is as general as it gets Aug 20 07:35:30 that and then I'd want to be able to trigger based on time Aug 20 07:35:48 (and yes there was a tracker for adding uniform way of hw sensors querying/signalling which of course had not been acted upon) Aug 20 07:35:51 I'm thinking it's easiest to just suck up the job of cron while I'm at it Aug 20 07:36:58 also, what was that 'uniform way'? Do you mean DSME or ...? Aug 20 07:38:31 The "Nokia N9 real leak" thread is surprisingly unsatisfying Aug 20 07:38:53 So many people who don't know what they are talking about and do not even know English there... Aug 20 07:38:54 the news that it's 'RM-680' is possibly the most interesting thing Aug 20 07:39:14 RST38h: You just summarized every forum in the internet. Aug 20 07:39:21 johnx: I mean a node in /dev which I can open and read from Aug 20 07:39:44 MiXu-: Compare with N900 speculation threads (circa 1H2009) Aug 20 07:40:09 MiXu-: Where most posters could actually be classified as human Aug 20 07:40:40 RST38h, so just have any process interested in being notified of an event sit there and read() from /dev/foo ? Aug 20 07:40:49 RST38h: Yeah, then the mainstream ruined TMO. Aug 20 07:41:02 johnx: yes, or use the linux notification mechanisms to see if this node ever gets changed Aug 20 07:41:31 MiXu-: Not the mainstream. The kids. Aug 20 07:41:39 Hi, I'm getting weird slowdowns on my N900, and I'm not sure what I've updated on it - extras-devel is enabled though. Transitions and scrolling are noticably jerky Aug 20 07:41:44 MiXu-: TMO as it was has pretty much been mainstream Aug 20 07:41:49 RST38h, I suppose you're against cron since programs should just sleep? Aug 20 07:41:55 RST38h: how do kids afford an N900? Aug 20 07:41:57 MiXu-: Lots of different people there, power users most of them Aug 20 07:42:19 VoltageX: I do not know. Probably getting presents for BD, or buying it on their first paycheck ot something Aug 20 07:42:26 RST38h: The mainstream always brings the kids with it Aug 20 07:42:42 VoltageX, running any interesting desktop widgets or statusbar applets? Aug 20 07:42:49 also, what does top say? Aug 20 07:43:01 johnx: I think cron is a higher level of abstraction, it is ok for shell scripts etc but not if you are doing a standalone program Aug 20 07:43:21 MiXu-: Again, depens on what you mean by mainstream Aug 20 07:43:38 johnx: Data monitor widget, personal ip widget, what am I looking for in top? Aug 20 07:44:05 RST38h: True. But consumer electronics mainstream is the thing that usually includes a bunch of kids. Aug 20 07:44:06 MiXu-: If by mainstream you mean the crowd of cell phone freaks who can't afford a flashy car, so they go for the next less expensive thing, then yes Aug 20 07:44:19 in top? dunno, high CPU usage? some program using a whole bunch of memory? Aug 20 07:44:39 MiXu-: Not necessarily. Consider business laptops. TVs. Dishwashers. Aug 20 07:44:59 RST38h: Ok. Point taken :) Aug 20 07:45:31 MiXu-: Cell phone has apparently become some kind of a status object for the kids. Aug 20 07:46:09 johnx: I'm wondering if it's either the IP or Data widget leaking memory because I can't see anything standing out right now Aug 20 07:46:12 RST38h, it just seems that there are a lot of programs that it would be useful to send a message to based on some set of user definable conditions, like 'battery charged' 'driving at 50+MPH' Aug 20 07:46:39 VoltageX, could be. Also, did it come up slowly, or did it suddenly get slow? Aug 20 07:46:54 johnx: Yea, except Maemo Devices never thought about it Aug 20 07:46:59 noticed it during the day today. Aug 20 07:47:03 johnx: ANd they ignored my request to add it Aug 20 07:47:45 johnx: I have been told that the kernel / drivers people are very difficult to talk to. They generally do not give a shit to what you want. Aug 20 07:48:42 they seem very friendly to me, but sure.. Aug 20 07:48:43 :P Aug 20 07:49:12 RST38h, I don't think it needs to be at the kernel level. I figure it should be a daemon with a bunch of different backends, such as dbus and inotify and sleep() Aug 20 07:49:32 johnx: browserd has ~6 processes using 10% memory each Aug 20 07:49:33 then it should either run a script as well as having a couple of special cases, such as sending a d-bus message Aug 20 07:49:52 Stskeeps: Then I hope you can ask them to do something on these bugs: Aug 20 07:49:56 VoltageX, if it's exactly the same amount of memory in each, I'd bet that it's actually only 10% total, give or take Aug 20 07:50:04 hmm, looks like the PS3 hack was a fake Aug 20 07:50:04 RST38h: do they exist in 2.6.35? Aug 20 07:50:06 oh, right Aug 20 07:50:14 crashanddie, huh. interesting Aug 20 07:50:17 crashanddie: typical Aug 20 07:50:21 wonder how many pre-orders they got :> Aug 20 07:50:25 Bug #6038 Aug 20 07:50:25 crashanddie: wow, got one of the australian shops very interested - hope he didn't put any money down Aug 20 07:50:27 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6038 Implement common device-level interface for accessing hw sensors Aug 20 07:50:35 Bug #5329 Aug 20 07:50:36 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5329 Provide real accelerometer device (via /dev/input* devices) instead of forcing D-Bus Aug 20 07:50:37 well, at least a thousand I'd say Aug 20 07:50:43 so they just made $150k Aug 20 07:50:51 RST38h: sensorfw in meego, 5329, we already have one in 2.6.35 Aug 20 07:50:59 well, it's not really a fake, it's just useless to the population at large AFAICT Aug 20 07:51:07 The unit they're running is already a debug unit Aug 20 07:51:22 (You can purchase them for about $10k from Sony, it's for game development) Aug 20 07:51:41 RST38h: that bug looks similar to the reaction I got from asking for direct access to the GPS Aug 20 07:51:58 Stskeeps: So, for Maemo5, when? Aug 20 07:52:00 RST38h: check for these bugs in meego kernel and we'll see if anything can be done about it. some of these things are dealing with linux kernel directly though (and you need to convince linus & co) Aug 20 07:52:20 But I do not have Meego, I have Maemo5. Aug 20 07:52:23 RST38h: i think it's fair to assume kernel development beyond fixing bugs that aren't enhancements for maemo5 is dead. Aug 20 07:52:30 RST38h: didn't we have to read a file for the accelerometer interface? Aug 20 07:52:46 crashanddie: YOu have to OPEN, read, and CLOSE the file. For each reading. Aug 20 07:52:58 RST38h: I know Aug 20 07:52:59 And the value is in floating point, as text Aug 20 07:53:07 RST38h: but how is that related to dbus? Aug 20 07:53:25 crashanddie: it is not, I do not know what you mean Aug 20 07:53:34 09:49 < RST38h> Bug #5329 Aug 20 07:53:35 09:49 < povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5329 Provide real accelerometer device (via /dev/input* devices) instead of forcing D-Bus Aug 20 07:53:35 Bug 5329: Provide real accelerometer device (via /dev/input* devices) instead of forcing D-Bus Aug 20 07:53:45 ah that Aug 20 07:54:05 the bug has been filed when the accelerometer-via-file access has not been made official yet Aug 20 07:54:13 ah, ok Aug 20 07:54:21 and it is still relevant Aug 20 07:54:27 but yeah, agreed, the open/read/close is bollocks Aug 20 07:54:52 sounds like college student-level implementation Aug 20 07:55:01 Stskeeps: Once again, the problem is that nobody has Meego here, so people want Meego Devices to fix their current firmware, not the next one Aug 20 07:55:27 Is it too much to expect support for my 6 month old phone? Aug 20 07:55:37 Nokia dropped the N900 too quickly Aug 20 07:55:41 RST38h, so any thoughts on my horrible re-inventing the wheel abstraction idea? Aug 20 07:55:46 Stskeeps: (the usual list of arguments for that follows here) Aug 20 07:55:49 RST38h: i don't really care, kernel development happens in upstream kernel and enhancements are rarely backported to earlier kernels. there's an active team upstreaming kernel patches to support n900 properly Aug 20 07:55:50 VoltageX: erhm, not 6 months Aug 20 07:56:04 VoltageX: in a couple of months, it'll be over a year old Aug 20 07:56:14 VoltageX: IIRC, the warranty goes for a year Aug 20 07:56:23 johnx: Well, from practical point of view, I suggest you take the EventDaemon (or whatever it is called) from Extras-Devel and enhance/rectify it the wa you would like Aug 20 07:56:42 johnx: I think it does what you want as far as events aggregation is concerned, but not cron Aug 20 07:56:43 ah, you mean 'ActionManager' or is there another one? Aug 20 07:56:44 crashanddie: I mean more like development Aug 20 07:56:55 oh, and it only came out in Australia a month or two ago. Aug 20 07:57:09 the PS2 only came out in Brazil recently ... Aug 20 07:57:17 johnx: ActionManager probably Aug 20 07:57:33 * RST38h never installed it Aug 20 07:57:51 VoltageX: so april is only 2 months ago? Aug 20 07:57:55 RST38h: file those bugs toward main linux kernel, bugzilla.kernel.org Aug 20 07:58:00 johnx: What you can do is make it listen to whatever dbus stuff it has to listen and signal events in a uniform way via a unix pipe Aug 20 07:58:02 at least the sensor one Aug 20 07:58:02 VoltageX: the N900 was released in April in Oz, I know, I was there for the launch Aug 20 07:58:12 johnx: So it will be the next best thing to the /dev/* stuff Aug 20 07:58:33 crashanddie: oh, oops, I only paid a little attention to the date because I already had one. Aug 20 07:58:44 Stskeeps: Nah, I would rather go to a nearby church and pray there. Aug 20 07:58:52 RST38h, heh. not exactly where I was going. I was actually thinking mostly about it sending d-bus messages Aug 20 07:59:20 Not interested in kernel.org, it is in no way related to the device I have at hand Aug 20 07:59:35 johnx: It can do both. Aug 20 07:59:46 I'm thinking about it more for making policy decisions Aug 20 07:59:50 johnx: But the thing is, most of these events are already present as MCE dbus messages Aug 20 08:00:36 What policy decisions? Aug 20 08:00:51 So I want to solve the problem of 'how do I tell my tablet to start bittorrent automatically, when I'm on my home wifi, and my N900 is charging or mostly charged, and it's between 10PM and 6AM' Aug 20 08:01:27 PROLOG! Aug 20 08:01:29 * timeless drops off n900 for repairs :-) Aug 20 08:01:34 (btw, it is already on the N900) Aug 20 08:01:51 timeless: farewell, n900! Aug 20 08:02:06 <_< Aug 20 08:02:10 sadly they don't have the part right now. So i need a temporary phone Aug 20 08:02:30 but the truth is, most users cannot even program their VCR (when they had one, anyway), so your idea is somewhat too elaborate for them Aug 20 08:02:56 this n81 8g isn't terrible for irc :-) Aug 20 08:05:11 so the other thing it should solve is 'when the device has been idle for 5 minutes on battery, and battery charge is less than 80%, what should it do' Aug 20 08:05:39 is there even a question? :) Aug 20 08:05:47 just because most users can't understand cron syntax, doesn't mean they aren't taking advantage of tasks that run from cron Aug 20 08:05:48 stay idle, for Tentacled's sake! Aug 20 08:06:03 but maybe it should kill your bittorrent client too? Aug 20 08:06:18 no, because I started it, so I probably want it running Aug 20 08:06:40 heya, i got a problem with my N900 and sip-calls, i've added my sipgate.de account, i can call in to the device but incomming calls are always displayed as missed (not ringing once - they are getting dropped) and i've no option to use sip for outgoing calls (the dropdown menu only shows cellular and skype). Any ideas? Aug 20 08:06:47 ttg, bb Aug 20 08:08:37 from memory you need to set "use for phone calls" in advanced in voip settings for the account Aug 20 08:09:25 timeless: i wish i could see that option.. Aug 20 08:12:20 which version and which locale? Aug 20 08:12:57 andi-: your network is crap Aug 20 08:13:05 newest upstream versions and english settings with german timezone Aug 20 08:13:08 andi-: the RTP ports can't be established Aug 20 08:13:40 crashanddie: from the notebook on the same wireless it works.. but thanks for the info ;) Aug 20 08:13:42 the last n900 i met (mine oddly) was running 1.1 ... Aug 20 08:13:50 andi-: hmm, weird Aug 20 08:13:57 andi-: sipgate usually works fine Aug 20 08:14:16 andi-: if I were home I'd make you connect to my server, but I'm at work at the moment Aug 20 08:14:58 and can't really just give out SIP servers like that, not during my second week :D Aug 20 08:16:12 i'll check if i've some weird "new version" of the sip plugin installed via test/devel.. maybe it's just something i can't remember anymore. Aug 20 08:16:40 on the sipgate page ist says: Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.6.2 sofia-sip/1.12.10devel.. Aug 20 08:16:54 andi-: well, their SIP works Aug 20 08:17:02 I'm connected to them via my server Aug 20 08:30:27 back Aug 20 08:33:03 * johnx digs into dbus / glib and for the first time in quite a while: C Aug 20 08:33:43 dbus in c is kinda eh Aug 20 08:33:59 saw that. was thinking of using glib Aug 20 08:34:28 glib is awesome, yes... not going to make dbus that great Aug 20 08:34:40 heh Aug 20 08:34:51 but it gives you a main loop with signal support so you can at least do stuff :P Aug 20 08:35:18 hmm... what can give you a main loop with signal support... oh right Aug 20 08:35:22 POSIX Aug 20 08:35:31 POSIX is overrated Aug 20 08:35:43 you're overrated Aug 20 08:35:48 POSIX is for Eunuchs Aug 20 08:35:59 no, actually i'm pretty aptly rated as an idiot Aug 20 08:36:09 no no, that is overrated as well :P Aug 20 08:36:14 :P Aug 20 08:36:19 (you asked for it) Aug 20 08:36:26 I'm open to other options, but I think I need to speak D-Bus to get anywhere in this case Aug 20 08:36:32 normally i don't get what i ask for though Aug 20 08:36:51 I have one simple rule about ass kicking. If you're asking for it, I have to let you have it. Aug 20 08:37:10 Quote from Taylor Mali Aug 20 08:37:13 johnx: No glib, please, no glib Aug 20 08:37:14 fair enough... where do i have to go for it? Aug 20 08:37:40 RST38h: what's your problem with glib? Aug 20 08:38:04 RST38h, great. I'll have a daemon that links against Qt then? or maybe one written in python? Aug 20 08:38:16 * RST38h suddenly found out the comments on the N9 leak in Eldar's blog to be more sensible than the ones on TMO Aug 20 08:38:23 Not a good sign, really not a good sign... Aug 20 08:38:41 ahaha Aug 20 08:38:46 hey Aug 20 08:38:47 johnx: Why not do it in C, anyway? Aug 20 08:39:03 I looked at the dbus API for C and it told me not to use it Aug 20 08:39:15 johnx: You only need to use it once, for a wrapper. Aug 20 08:39:25 johnx: Then you can forget about it. Aug 20 08:39:25 lol Aug 20 08:39:39 c is awesome, as long as you don't have to learn it Aug 20 08:39:46 BTW, I hope to do the same thig with the meego touch API :) Aug 20 08:39:48 and that applies to its libraries too Aug 20 08:40:02 RST38h, it needs to go both ways for what I'm thinking, both receiving messages, checking conditions, then potentially sending a dbus message Aug 20 08:40:04 C is ok to learn and use Aug 20 08:40:22 there are several things which are cumbersome to do in C, but we have C++ for that Aug 20 08:40:42 johnx: Usually comes down to three API calls Aug 20 08:41:00 johnx: Receive, Send, SendAndWaitReply Aug 20 08:41:14 johnx: You wrap those three, and you are free to do your own stuff Aug 20 08:41:40 yeah. I kinda thought it shouldn't be too hard, but when the API doc itself says "No, look over here" I tend to take notice Aug 20 08:42:15 anyways, there's scheme bindings so I'll just do that instead. I never liked for and while anyways Aug 20 08:42:18 johnx: just means people who wrote it were assholes Aug 20 08:42:45 * RST38h looks into the mirror, lovingly Aug 20 08:43:20 it told mE: WARNING: you should NOT use this API unless you absolutely have to. This is NOT designed for application developers. Application developers should use one of the bindings if at all possible. If you are writing in C then the GLib bindings are recommended. Aug 20 08:43:52 it's right... and glib is decent methinks Aug 20 08:44:02 johnx: Ok, use glib. Aug 20 08:44:10 Why the hell not... Aug 20 08:44:18 great. two votes for glib Aug 20 08:44:52 ieatlint: Well, glib is designed by some hellbent C++ haters who successfully recreated C++ in C, with twice the mess Aug 20 08:45:03 haha Aug 20 08:45:09 ieatlint: But it is already on the device and everybody uses it, so why not Aug 20 08:45:32 i'd argue that it backports some c++ features to c, so you can use them and still not have to deal with the mess that is c++ Aug 20 08:45:58 You are not forced to deal with the WHOLE C++ standard Aug 20 08:46:03 anyone can tell me where the telepathy plugins are stored or epsecially the sip plugin is located on the phone? Aug 20 08:46:12 Using it as a "better C" is perfectly ok and practiced by most programmers I have seen Aug 20 08:46:37 it's how i treat c++, heh Aug 20 08:46:44 but i still like c a lot Aug 20 08:47:05 As long as you preventively whack every person in your team who mutters "STL" or "multiple inheritance", or "let us use exceptions", you are ok Aug 20 08:47:25 haha Aug 20 08:47:31 exceptions are an awesome idea Aug 20 08:47:39 but impossible to maintain in any large program Aug 20 08:47:44 ON ERROR GOTO is an excellent idea? Aug 20 08:48:00 hey, even knuth says goto has its place Aug 20 08:48:21 ieatlint <-- obviously has not understood the construct and where it came from Aug 20 08:48:49 * ieatlint obviously is not as obtuse as others in here Aug 20 08:49:25 google for it Aug 20 08:49:50 RST38h: o/ Aug 20 08:49:52 RST38h: ON ERROR GOTO NEXT Aug 20 08:50:11 RST38h: http://s43.radikal.ru/i101/1008/61/6ced4d011b37.jpg <- OMWeather on it's tough way to MeeGo :) Aug 20 08:50:20 wazzzd: http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6424/1480435621a76c04303e0b3.jpg Aug 20 08:50:36 RST38h: yeah, NokBook Pro :P Aug 20 08:50:42 wazd: Fun =) I have just started creating an EMULib port to MeegoTouch Aug 20 08:50:58 wazd: No, Mac Mini Real(C) Aug 20 08:51:08 RST38h: hehe :) Aug 20 08:51:17 RST38h: Air I guess :) Aug 20 08:51:37 wazd: AirMore! Aug 20 08:51:44 or MoreAir, anyway Aug 20 08:51:50 MAcBook Hydrogen :D Aug 20 08:52:27 But I think it won't be silver anyway :) Aug 20 08:52:46 wazd: Eldar says it is supposed to be black "in most markets" Aug 20 08:52:50 And "n9" label really bothers me :) Aug 20 08:53:04 wazd: But, of course, usual warnings apply Aug 20 08:53:22 wazd: What bothers me is that it is running what looks like vanilla Meego UI Aug 20 08:53:36 RST38h: I think it's an old photo Aug 20 08:53:36 wazd: I.e. we do not know if it is a Meego device, really ;) Aug 20 08:53:57 RST38h: It looks the same as the device from old leaked ad Aug 20 08:54:09 RST38h: so I think the body is real Aug 20 08:54:16 RST38h: though it's not finished Aug 20 08:54:17 oh, the C0 aka E7 ? Aug 20 08:54:26 RST38h: yeah Aug 20 08:54:34 wazd: but that was clearly a symbian device Aug 20 08:54:46 RST38h: nono, not video Aug 20 08:54:50 RST38h: ad Aug 20 08:54:55 ah Aug 20 08:54:59 RST38h: with sliding cartoonish stuff Aug 20 08:55:03 RST38h: HTC'like Aug 20 08:55:44 RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSQoAgASnPQ&fmt=34 Aug 20 08:56:36 Stskeeps, http://i.imgur.com/JEFqh.jpg Aug 20 08:56:47 shot with the n900 :) Aug 20 08:57:05 not bad Aug 20 08:57:14 RST38h: aaaaahahahha, check 0:14, there's an airbourne goat :D I guess this is the source of creativity for those crazy guys with donkey :D Aug 20 08:57:33 are you talking about the nokiabook pro? Aug 20 08:57:41 * timeless rotf *crying* ? Aug 20 08:57:45 wazd: well just look at the symbian foundation artwork... Aug 20 08:58:03 RST38h: yeah Aug 20 08:59:26 Stskeeps, this one is a bit worse, but I like the expression on its face ;) http://i.imgur.com/yn50b.jpg Aug 20 08:59:48 RST38h: still I'd prefer some hardware buttons on the front Aug 20 09:00:26 wazd: I think they are trying to capitalize on the idea that weird shit draws attention Aug 20 09:00:30 TomaszD: 'omg this stick feels and looks like a N9'? Aug 20 09:00:51 wazd: (which of course ignores the fact the the punters have seen so much weird shit lately that NOTHING can draw their attention any more) Aug 20 09:01:13 it's a game of escalation Aug 20 09:01:26 Stskeeps, or "yeah, you took your picture, now gtfo, I have flies to catch" Aug 20 09:01:40 eventually they'll have to physically throw a whole bunch of bouncy balls down a city street just to sell a TV Aug 20 09:01:46 ...oh wait Aug 20 09:02:07 it wasn't actually difficult to take these, they weren't scared by the n900, and it was about 5 centimeters away Aug 20 09:04:05 I just don't understand why the standard camera doesn't shoot in such beatiful quality when it clearly is able, the hardware ain't too shabby it looks like Aug 20 09:04:11 johnx: well, this will only have a local effect, while the rest will call it photoshopping Aug 20 09:04:14 *camera-app Aug 20 09:04:40 RST38h, heh. already getting to the point where tv spots come with a 'making of' video Aug 20 09:04:43 johnx: But I am eagerly awaiting live gladiator games (to the death) on the US TV, since that Gladiator movie Aug 20 09:05:12 johnx: It probably just requires a few really good lawyers Aug 20 09:05:42 TomaszD: fcam? Aug 20 09:05:52 yeah, this is fcam's bidding Aug 20 09:05:55 RST38h, the TV show you're looking for is called "American Gladiators" Aug 20 09:06:24 johnx: Lame, weird competitions, no fatalities Aug 20 09:06:33 locked the focus at 5cm, ISO100... Aug 20 09:07:14 it did keep hard-resetting my n900 every couple of pictures though, I think I was shooting too fast for processing Aug 20 09:07:23 I hope this new version will be better Aug 20 09:07:25 RST38h, yeah. I couldn't resist suggesting it just based on the name Aug 20 09:07:39 it's actually fairly old and totally goofy Aug 20 09:07:47 TomaszD: nice pictures Aug 20 09:08:49 crashanddie, last one worth showing http://imgur.com/bnYn6 Aug 20 09:09:01 johnx: But the thing is, the public wants blood, it wants golden imperial banners, soldiers in dusty uniforms marching, heroic and scenic conquest of the barbarians, etc Aug 20 09:09:19 I took dozens, but it's really hard to do a macro shot, even if the subjects are cooperating like this ;) Aug 20 09:09:22 TomaszD: shame about the backdrop here, my favourite is the second one, excellent bokeh and backdrop choice Aug 20 09:09:32 macro is easy :P Aug 20 09:09:53 yeah, but the fence was tall Aug 20 09:10:25 RST38h, yeah. but don't encourage them until I get the hell out of dodge Aug 20 09:10:50 hmm, what's a bokeh :P Aug 20 09:11:15 johnx: In the worst case, there should be some Aug 20 09:11:38 johnx: senatorial intrigue, but with the losing side getting torn apart by the crowds or at least crucified Aug 20 09:12:51 ok, now I know what's bokeh and I must assure you crashanddie that it was completely accidental, as well as the backdrop :) Aug 20 09:13:31 johnx: (on the other hand, I have not been in the US for a while, so maybe the tastes have changed, with the crisis and all) Aug 20 09:14:24 yeah, the 'bread' might be more popular than the 'circus' at this point, but I think there's room for both Aug 20 09:24:16 there is still no rubust and working posibility to syncronize the calendar (or contacts) over the air, right? Aug 20 09:24:33 intellisync to exchange? Aug 20 09:24:35 MfE Aug 20 09:24:55 though, isync to mac os x is working ok for me Aug 20 09:25:05 totally non-ideal, but not totally awful Aug 20 09:25:21 I have neither an Exchange-Server nor a Mac. Aug 20 09:25:54 some people have had some success using intellisync to google calendars Aug 20 09:26:25 in fact I do have an Exchange-server at work, but I don't want put my personal dates in there... Aug 20 09:26:30 or my contacts. Aug 20 09:29:21 hi Aug 20 09:30:00 I encountered mime type errors after issuing apt-get upgrade from scratch box Aug 20 09:30:10 here is the errors list Aug 20 09:30:34 * Error in type 'application/x-pkcs12' Aug 20 09:30:35 * (in /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml): Aug 20 09:30:35 * Unknown freedesktop.org field 'generic-icon'. Aug 20 09:30:35 * Error in type 'application/x-planperfect' Aug 20 09:30:35 * (in /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml): Aug 20 09:30:42 * Unknown freedesktop.org field 'generic-icon'. Aug 20 09:30:43 * Error in type 'application/x-pw' Aug 20 09:30:45 * (in /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml): Aug 20 09:31:27 harsh Aug 20 09:31:27 :P Aug 20 09:31:49 Yeah, but that list is probably 200 lines long ;) Aug 20 09:33:59 ignore mime type errors in scratchbox Aug 20 09:34:58 MohammadAG: thanks again for the hildon-desktop Aug 20 09:35:14 MohammadAG: Any hint of what other packages you are going to include into your SSU? Aug 20 09:35:45 Hello Everyone ! Aug 20 09:35:58 RST38h, probably pulseaudio Aug 20 09:36:19 join #maemo-ssu Aug 20 09:36:24 and you're welcome ;) Aug 20 09:37:14 Mohammad: I would be interested to take a look at PulseAudio code once again Aug 20 09:43:50 hey guys Aug 20 09:44:38 http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/failure-to-display-cad-screen.png Aug 20 09:44:41 just out of curiosity... what is the current status of the USB Host mode development for the N900? Aug 20 09:46:45 Hi guys, is there any way to disable this virtual keyboard from jumping on my screen Aug 20 09:46:54 And to get it only by pressing button Aug 20 09:47:48 Foob, you want to hit a keyboard button to see the virtual keyboard? Aug 20 09:48:35 yes Aug 20 09:48:39 ee Aug 20 09:48:52 This button in N800, what usually makes this full screen keyboard Aug 20 09:49:23 aaah, on the N800 Aug 20 09:49:27 that's different then Aug 20 09:49:39 hmm, mine isn't charged right now otherwise I'd look Aug 20 09:49:40 You can disable this fullscreen mode, from settings. But I need to disable the whole virtual keyboard from jumping on my face. When I'm using one text based program Aug 20 09:55:54 Foob: you can deactivat ethe virtual keyboard too Aug 20 09:56:03 Foob: on my n810 I removed it completely Aug 20 10:01:48 Well the thing is, that I dont wan't to loose it totally Aug 20 10:01:54 After all i have N800 Aug 20 10:02:01 No physical keyboard :/ Aug 20 10:02:47 Hello all ! Aug 20 10:02:58 foob =~ s/loose/lose/ Aug 20 10:04:04 Foob, a specifics purpose ? Aug 20 10:04:11 Foob, ah, there's a script called when you plug in a usb keyboard or pair a bt keyboard. you could track it down, see what it does, then run that before starting your app Aug 20 10:07:13 Khertan, I have program what uses ncurse. Aug 20 10:07:37 Menus are working with just clicking them, but same time my virtual keyboard is jumping up. And i have to close it everytime Aug 20 10:07:42 or menus arent working correctly Aug 20 10:08:18 * johnx sleeps Aug 20 10:08:20 Foob: disable vkb completely ? Aug 20 10:08:42 well I was thinking, that it might be easier. If i just use this physical button Aug 20 10:08:44 to bring it up Aug 20 10:08:49 when i actually need it Aug 20 10:11:04 Or actually just disabling vkb for a while would be ok Aug 20 10:11:09 If i can bring it back, when I need it Aug 20 10:11:45 Foob, arg i ll like to try ... but my n800 isn't running Maemo :) Aug 20 10:11:46 sorry Aug 20 10:12:48 Oh, what is your N800 running ? Aug 20 10:13:27 a custom things builded from mer :) Aug 20 10:13:36 with a mix of meego :) Aug 20 10:13:56 and there is just the xterm :) Aug 20 10:14:11 so on n800 it s not very usefull Aug 20 10:14:11 :) Aug 20 10:14:34 my header column in gtk doesn't appear since 2 weeks, have you got this bug ? Aug 20 10:14:57 by default it s doesn't appear Aug 20 10:15:02 in gtk maemo style Aug 20 10:15:05 hmm Aug 20 10:15:05 morrrrrrrrrrrrrrrning \o Aug 20 10:15:08 interesting Aug 20 10:15:16 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMoooooooooooooorrrninnnnnnnnnnnng Foob Aug 20 10:15:22 MMMMMMMMMMMMMMoooooooooooooorrrninnnnnnnnnnnng lcuk2 Aug 20 10:15:30 oups sorry stupid completion :) Aug 20 10:15:40 Khertan, ok Aug 20 10:15:41 :D Aug 20 10:15:52 hmm Aug 20 10:15:58 what else I could install to my n800 Aug 20 10:16:27 I know that some are trying to build meego handset for n800 Aug 20 10:16:32 I know that some are trying to build meego handset for n800/n810 Aug 20 10:16:51 oh god i hope the n9 leaked image are fake ... :) Aug 20 10:17:16 heehe Aug 20 10:17:17 Khertan Aug 20 10:17:23 actually if you think about it... Aug 20 10:17:37 on my table I have N800 N810 and N900 Aug 20 10:17:37 :D Aug 20 10:17:53 * Stskeeps looks at his office Aug 20 10:17:55 and somewhere in this room there is also N770 Aug 20 10:18:01 Foob, n810 n900 n900 on my desktop currently :) Aug 20 10:18:05 or was it nokia 770 Aug 20 10:18:16 just nokia 770, not n.. predates n-series Aug 20 10:18:22 Hee, Actually only N800 is from me Aug 20 10:18:28 two dead 770's, 2x n800, 1xn810, 1xn900, a omapzoom2, a joggler, an aava mobile, smartq5.. Aug 20 10:18:41 everything else company owns Aug 20 10:18:41 aava mobile ? Aug 20 10:18:42 :< Aug 20 10:18:43 huhu Aug 20 10:19:28 Khertan: for work Aug 20 10:19:32 each time i use the keyboard of the n810 i found the n900 one better ... but i regret the n810 screensize Aug 20 10:20:48 Stskeeps, yes i didn't doubt but i think none was available yet Aug 20 10:21:18 Hehe Aug 20 10:22:23 do u know how can i force to show gtk column header ? Aug 20 10:24:39 nokia could have lead the way with 4" phones Aug 20 10:25:27 i would never carry a 4" phone to anywhere.. Aug 20 10:25:39 juke_, .show_headers methods will show headers Aug 20 10:25:57 Surfa, i ll carry a 4' phone everywhere Aug 20 10:26:10 everyone's making them now Aug 20 10:26:20 Khertan: is that a phone in your pocket.... Aug 20 10:26:52 mavhk, i have always put my n810 in my pocket Aug 20 10:26:56 Khertan, crazy Aug 20 10:27:01 and take it everywhere Aug 20 10:27:14 not crazy ... matters of preferences ... Aug 20 10:27:19 me too Aug 20 10:27:49 give user the choice ... make same device with same hardware ... just some little differences Aug 20 10:27:55 I'm not paying smartphone bills, I'll buy a kindle for free 3g browsing Aug 20 10:28:28 a n900 with small screen and a n910 with a larger one will content everyone Aug 20 10:28:40 (and maybe an n901 without hw keyboard) Aug 20 10:29:13 they're not going to make variations unless the software is actually ready Aug 20 10:29:31 mavhk, lol ... Maemo can handle the variation Aug 20 10:29:55 same resolution on screen ... but with different size Aug 20 10:30:06 and software didn't see any difference Aug 20 10:30:28 I mean cost wise Aug 20 10:31:12 hum ... Aug 20 10:31:24 they will never made any varations so Aug 20 10:31:50 and why they do variations for symbian ? the os is far from being ready since it s firt versions :) Aug 20 10:33:05 well, they didn't much when it was epoc Aug 20 10:34:16 hmm Aug 20 10:34:32 i didn't like this new mode that every company are trying to force (and apple the first) where one design is the better one and fills everyone needs Aug 20 10:34:49 Sorry about spam of questions, but you guys know how to disable this power saving mode Aug 20 10:34:52 or what ever it is Aug 20 10:41:42 Foob: you mean on wireless/whatever? Aug 20 10:43:29 wireless Aug 20 10:43:31 basically Aug 20 10:44:31 bbl ... Aug 20 10:46:06 Whenever I use Ctrl-F in the browser, I have to scroll the see the highlighted find Aug 20 10:46:19 Is that normal? Aug 20 10:47:09 The result won't render on the screen unless I scroll first Aug 20 10:54:53 Foob: internet connections -> select the connection -> edit -> next until you get advanced ->advanced: should be under there Aug 20 10:54:59 Hmmm Aug 20 10:56:37 My n900 has stopped interfacing with the USB port, cant charge through it from the computer, nor does it show up as a device Aug 20 10:57:45 It's broken. Quite common problem. Aug 20 10:58:16 As the port is attached to the device with only small solder pads it tends to get ripped off extremely easily. Use your warranty to replace the device. Aug 20 11:03:01 flashn: does it charge with a wall charger? Aug 20 11:04:00 Yeah the other possibility is that the computer has a broken usb port :p Aug 20 11:04:11 it charges with the wall charger Aug 20 11:04:18 but I have tried 2-3 different computers Aug 20 11:04:21 and all the usb ports Aug 20 11:04:27 which works with other devices Aug 20 11:04:36 Broken cable? Aug 20 11:04:52 hello everybody Aug 20 11:04:55 Im gonna try some updates then its off to service Aug 20 11:05:08 X-Fade, hardly, works for my colleague on his htc desire Aug 20 11:05:20 anyone tried to get working the "Logitech Cordless MediaBoard Pro" (for PS3 xD) with the N900? Aug 20 11:06:57 yesterday i managed to get the Logitech diNovo Edge Keyboard AND Touchpad from my brother working on N900... but only the keyboard layout is a bit wrong (äöü ...) Aug 20 11:07:59 so i think it should be possible with that other logitech board, too? Aug 20 11:10:10 i think keyboard layout problems are common with bluetooth and n900 Aug 20 11:10:23 iirc there's a thread on tmo somewhere.. :/ Aug 20 11:10:46 my bt keyboard does not work with n900 at all., what layout problems? Aug 20 11:20:23 hm Aug 20 11:20:42 RST38h: i can set model to pc105 and layout us with setxkbmap Aug 20 11:21:03 but i CANT set model pc105 and layout de - and its an qwertz keyboard with öäü etc Aug 20 11:22:28 but the touchpad from the diNovo edge works very great without problems... when i use the script to display mousecursor its like a normal pc ;) Aug 20 11:23:43 maybe i will buy an Logitech Cordless MediaBoard Pro for PS3 later this day... i need external keyboard for n900 Aug 20 11:24:52 so i can chat and surf via my n900 very fast... and display it on tv, for example Aug 20 11:25:23 Skyscraper: apple wireless keyboard Aug 20 11:25:42 jacekowski: pricing?! Aug 20 11:26:07 ah and jacekowksi ? with your modified fmtxd the fmboost script doenst work anymore, right?! Aug 20 11:27:56 Skyscraper: well, it works Aug 20 11:27:59 Skyscraper: but it's not required Aug 20 11:29:09 jacekowski i need a fixed rate of 118 for fmtx - otherwise i have no clear signal in my car... - with original fmxtd and fmboost it works... with your fmtxd and fmboost it doenst works?! Aug 20 11:29:36 my fmtxd defaults to 120 Aug 20 11:29:52 omg? 118 is maximal allowed for the fmtx chip? Aug 20 11:29:59 no Aug 20 11:30:15 i've seen the specifications of the chip Aug 20 11:30:33 not the full spec Aug 20 11:31:01 but anyways Aug 20 11:31:13 do you have hex editor at hand? Aug 20 11:31:23 but with 120 it should be very nice in my car without problems? but with your fmtxd it wont work :/ Aug 20 11:31:38 hm not directly but i can get one Aug 20 11:31:47 i can give you offsets to modify Aug 20 11:32:49 118 is hardware max Aug 20 11:32:52 120 is ignored Aug 20 11:33:01 And treated as 118 Aug 20 11:33:03 IIRC Aug 20 11:33:05 ah okay.... maybe this is the problem ;) Aug 20 11:33:47 maybe values higher than 118 would be reset to 114 or slt? Aug 20 11:34:37 27C0 - Aug 20 11:34:42 27C8 Aug 20 11:34:47 ehh Aug 20 11:35:10 27D8 and 27C0 - change to 0x75 Aug 20 11:35:23 then its 118? Aug 20 11:35:35 27C8 and 27DC change to 0x76 Aug 20 11:35:45 and it will default to 118 Aug 20 11:35:53 but modify my modified fmtxd Aug 20 11:36:03 it will not work on original one Aug 20 11:37:24 yes i will do^^... i need your modified version ;) - because i need active fmtxd while connected headset/external mic/input Aug 20 11:38:17 can i mirror your modified fmtxd on my homepage? Aug 20 11:38:42 where do you live? Aug 20 11:38:50 germany Aug 20 11:39:00 if you want to go to prison Aug 20 11:39:05 why that? xD Aug 20 11:39:09 it's illegal Aug 20 11:39:17 oh - dont know oO Aug 20 11:40:13 why its illegal? Aug 20 11:41:21 because you modify nokia closed source with disassembling or because its not legal to have txrate 118 in germany`? Aug 20 11:41:42 is that the one that can transmit on TV frequencies? :D Aug 20 11:43:08 lol Aug 20 11:43:16 Skyscraper, modified binary Aug 20 11:43:25 you may not disassemble binaries Aug 20 11:43:37 hm okay thats why its illegal? Aug 20 11:44:05 118 could also be illegal :P Aug 20 11:44:18 Hi Aug 20 11:44:32 hm... so nokia should open the code from fmtxd then it isnt illegal? xDd Aug 20 11:46:11 they won't open it Aug 20 11:47:23 i know... but WHEN they would do it... its lgal Aug 20 11:47:25 legal Aug 20 11:47:27 Skyscraper: well both Aug 20 11:47:48 then 118 will still be illegal Aug 20 11:47:51 but Aug 20 11:48:01 MohammadAG: when will you upload next ubuntu image? Aug 20 11:48:05 there are different laws about disassembling Aug 20 11:48:19 UK law is quite lax about that Aug 20 11:48:20 jacekowski ok i WONT upload your binary to my homepage :D Aug 20 11:48:22 Skyscraper, probably tonight Aug 20 11:48:26 you can legally disassemble stuff Aug 20 11:48:37 for research purposes Aug 20 11:48:37 fmtxd? Aug 20 11:48:38 yeah sounds good MohammadAG Aug 20 11:48:45 isn't that the radio transmitter stuff? Aug 20 11:48:48 it is Aug 20 11:49:15 uhm... there are also legal things regarding frequencies you'll have to keep in mind. Aug 20 11:49:46 as far as I know you shouldn't be able to send below 88.0 and above 108.0 Aug 20 11:49:53 at least here in .at Aug 20 11:50:01 which is quite similar to germany Aug 20 11:50:21 well, that's illegal as well Aug 20 11:50:36 jacekowski: found a new favorite word, huh? Aug 20 11:50:50 yes but i dont need that... i'm sending on 88.1 which is very free frequency Aug 20 11:50:52 favorite words are illegal Aug 20 11:51:05 :P Aug 20 11:51:09 I'm testing 87.5 today Aug 20 11:51:17 never seen a 76.1 radio Aug 20 11:51:22 just little bit illegal then Aug 20 11:51:32 MohammadAG: japan Aug 20 11:51:35 * ShadowJK has a 50-180 radio Aug 20 11:51:35 well, the car radio goes down to 87.5 Aug 20 11:51:40 I never got mine working with the radio in the car Aug 20 11:51:53 maybe the metal of the car shields it too much to work Aug 20 11:51:56 my car radio goes 88.0-107.9 Aug 20 11:52:17 ToeiRei: keep it close to radio Aug 20 11:52:17 when i get free time i want to try enable the fmtx chip's find-free-frequency Aug 20 11:52:21 I plug into a car charger and raise power to 118 Aug 20 11:52:35 transmission reaches the car next to it on the road (tested this xD) Aug 20 11:52:38 ShadowJK: it's not fmtx chip feature Aug 20 11:52:49 jacekowski: I can't stuff it into the radio. by now it's below the radio device. Aug 20 11:52:50 ShadowJK: it needs fm reciever for that Aug 20 11:52:55 jacekowski, i thought i saw it in the datasheet Aug 20 11:53:08 jacekowski: no, it doesn't. Aug 20 11:53:26 jacekowski: There is a power reciever in the FMTX chip Aug 20 11:53:29 btw - I got the N900 since a few days... is anyone able to confirm ActiveSync problems? Aug 20 11:53:29 MohammadAG: but its not possible to override real stations with fmtx 118 Aug 20 11:53:45 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter Aug 20 11:53:53 Skyscraper, when it's plugged into the car I can Aug 20 11:54:02 in fact, it completely overrides it Aug 20 11:54:20 * ShadowJK can override any station without fmboost.. at a range of 1-2m :) Aug 20 11:54:25 MohammadAG: wtf? how do you do that? - i need to search free freqencys Aug 20 11:55:14 That will depend on your receiver Aug 20 11:55:17 With a peltor headset radio, the N900 boosted fmtx has a range of about 30-50m indorors.. with the newer radio receivers it's more like 10m Aug 20 11:55:20 It all depends on how crappy your radio is. Aug 20 11:55:28 The crappier the better. Aug 20 11:55:31 In general, FM receivers will latch onto the strongest signal Aug 20 11:55:37 ahhh Aug 20 11:55:42 fmtx can recieve as well Aug 20 11:55:47 X-Fade, I doubt chevy radios are crap :P Aug 20 11:55:53 especially 09 ones Aug 20 11:56:02 Also the orientation of your phone is quite essential. Aug 20 11:56:05 Skyscraper, just plug into a "car charger" Aug 20 11:56:13 or in my case Aug 20 11:56:15 MohammadAG: Well if they aren't shielded well, fmtx works a lot better. Aug 20 11:56:24 ShadowJK: well, they no longer make good radios, with AM gone and FM localized Aug 20 11:56:26 MohammadAG: car charger is very BAD... - i use DCAC converter with AC10e Aug 20 11:56:27 a 12-240V transformer Aug 20 11:56:34 same here then Aug 20 11:56:37 ^^ Aug 20 11:56:47 MohammadAG, actually many cheaper radios are better, where cheaper means ones with lots of analog components Aug 20 11:56:58 works very great because car chargers have only 500mA normally Aug 20 11:57:07 ShadowJK, yeah I know, but it works fine in a shielded radio here Aug 20 11:57:09 the radio-on-a-chip modern things are crap Aug 20 11:57:12 well, not "in" Aug 20 11:57:32 Nokia DC-10 microusb car charger gives 1200mA :) Aug 20 11:57:34 MohammadAG: And also antenna cable has a lot to do with it. Aug 20 11:57:50 Anyways, with the Sony audio center, I only get 20cm of distance with N900, even at the highest signal strength Aug 20 11:58:11 ShadowJK: maybe - but when i buy this, i can buy a 12 -> 230 V converter for 15€,too - and use original nokia AC10 - its cheaper Aug 20 11:58:11 i.e. N900's FMTX is fairly useless in my case Aug 20 11:58:31 See the inherent_limitations section in the FM transmitter page Aug 20 11:58:35 Irt's designed to be Aug 20 11:58:40 with the car radio, I get a couple of meters maybe, as long as N900 is not blocked by my hand Aug 20 11:58:44 where is the transmitter Aug 20 11:59:02 Nowhere near 30-50m, or even 10m Aug 20 11:59:17 Mohammad: antenna should be at the left upper corner Aug 20 11:59:29 RST38h: That is really a receiver issue. Aug 20 11:59:38 * MohammadAG solders a 10 foot antenna to it Aug 20 11:59:45 * MohammadAG solders the antenna to a satellite Aug 20 11:59:58 X-Fade: Both receivers have no problem receiving broadcasting FM stations Aug 20 12:00:16 RST38h: Those are 1000s of times more powerfull ;) Aug 20 12:00:25 RST38h: Kilowatts instead of nanowatts. Aug 20 12:00:37 i think its important in what angle you hold your n900 to radio/antenna Aug 20 12:00:53 MohammadAG, if you manage to solder your n900 to an antenna big enough for a sat, then perhaps we could get some small monkeys to climb it! Aug 20 12:01:16 * MohammadAG PMs noobmonk3y Aug 20 12:01:22 lcuk: No, then you should just use line-out ;) Aug 20 12:01:23 MohammadAG: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-144 Aug 20 12:01:36 RST38h, the 30-50m involved careful placement of N900 /and/ the receiver antenna :) Aug 20 12:01:52 X-Fade: they are also much further away Aug 20 12:01:53 hehe Aug 20 12:01:55 ShadowJK: Oh, no placement can sole my distance problem, tried many :) Aug 20 12:02:07 ShadowJK: with a transmitter antenna too? Aug 20 12:02:16 SpeedEvil, no just n900 Aug 20 12:02:41 ShadowJK: connect USB cable (loose) to n900 Aug 20 12:02:47 FMTX goes a lot further Aug 20 12:02:51 lol? Aug 20 12:03:04 SpeedEvil: ! Aug 20 12:03:08 Skyscraper: ? Aug 20 12:03:12 SpeedEvil, connect it fully, FMTX goes a lot lot further Aug 20 12:03:26 open USB-Cable helps fmxt? Aug 20 12:03:26 I mean with stock firmware Aug 20 12:03:29 fmtx Aug 20 12:03:34 Headphone cable probably works even better Aug 20 12:03:34 yes Aug 20 12:03:36 stock firmware here :P Aug 20 12:03:42 Because it is used for FMRX antenna anyway Aug 20 12:03:47 headphone cable turns off tx with stock firmware Aug 20 12:03:52 oh Aug 20 12:03:57 usb doesn't Aug 20 12:03:59 basically inside a large building with many wires and cables running from floor to ceiling, it formed "bubbles" with no reception as near as 5m of n900, and bubbles with perfect reception as far as 50m :) Aug 20 12:04:13 headphone cable DOESNT disables fmtx :D - i love modified fmtxd Aug 20 12:04:24 he said stock Aug 20 12:04:31 jip Aug 20 12:04:50 stock is bad :p Aug 20 12:05:48 so i can transmit any external mono-source to fm with n900 Aug 20 12:06:02 the environment at work is harsh for fm, ethernet blocks out 97-103 approx, nearby residential cable network leaks so much that the real fm chans get blocked in many parts :) Aug 20 12:08:07 so... installing little hed exit Aug 20 12:08:12 hex edit ^^ Aug 20 12:10:23 pulseaudio is restarted at start up right? Aug 20 12:10:31 i.e I have to reboot to apply new packages Aug 20 12:12:53 or simply killall pulseaudio Aug 20 12:13:32 or type in the terminal: Aug 20 12:13:37 stop pulseaudio Aug 20 12:13:41 start pulseaudio Aug 20 12:13:47 worksform Aug 20 12:13:51 worksforme Aug 20 12:14:30 jacekowski: Aug 20 12:14:32 27D8 and 27C0 - change to 0x75 Aug 20 12:14:39 27C8 and 27DC change to 0x76 Aug 20 12:14:40 done Aug 20 12:14:45 should work now? Aug 20 12:15:04 es Aug 20 12:15:06 yes* Aug 20 12:15:32 ok.. will ssh it in a moment to my n900 Aug 20 12:15:40 hm, there seems to be a new ca-146c without cable part, bigger enclosure instead Aug 20 12:15:58 maybe they thibk bigger plastic heatsink will fix it :) Aug 20 12:16:39 you mean no USB cable??? Aug 20 12:19:47 looks like a usb plug attached to a doublematchbox size box Aug 20 12:25:43 stupid Aug 20 12:25:57 given a known fragile connector Aug 20 12:26:49 ya :) Aug 20 12:30:27 SpeedEvil, perv! Aug 20 12:30:50 ? Aug 20 12:31:13 who's on facebook twitter Aug 20 12:31:18 who's on facebook/twitter* Aug 20 12:31:34 your comment about someone doing a recital of HGTG Aug 20 12:31:48 does opening either make music stutter? Aug 20 12:32:33 I'd imagine those sites with js and flash enabled consume large amounts of ram Aug 20 12:33:14 lcuk: Ah. Aug 20 12:33:26 lcuk: What's wrong - you don't like douglas adams? Aug 20 12:33:38 lol nope Aug 20 12:33:44 just the description of the recital Aug 20 12:33:52 do let us know if theres a repeat ummm performance Aug 20 12:34:10 That would imply I regularly watch. Aug 20 12:35:08 lol Aug 20 12:39:15 Skyscraper: could you send a patch? Aug 20 12:44:01 newsflash, the moon may have shrunk 300 feet (~100m) over the past billion years Aug 20 12:44:32 in other news, statistically speaking you are more likely to die than reach 100 years of age, and teenagers jerk off regularly Aug 20 12:45:21 Thanks for the update, that's very interesting news. Aug 20 12:45:50 anytime Aug 20 12:46:03 I think I might apply for a repoter position at Fox News Aug 20 12:46:05 I dispute that fact. Aug 20 12:46:17 Regularly implies a schedule. Aug 20 12:46:19 korhojoa_: for what? Aug 20 12:47:13 SpeedEvil: actually, it means "with constant frequency or pattern", so if the pattern is 3 days without, one day with, then it's "regularly" Aug 20 12:47:25 Skyscraper: err, fmtxd? Aug 20 12:47:44 SpeedEvil: it could even mean "zero or more times a day", and still be a pattern Aug 20 12:48:31 korhojoa_: http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD Aug 20 12:48:54 ahh. how handy Aug 20 12:50:37 korhojoa_: fixes automatic disable of fmtx when plugging headset Aug 20 12:52:03 Skyscraper: I noticed. Me gusta. Aug 20 12:59:39 is it true that modified fmtxd sets FMTX power to 120 ? Aug 20 13:00:05 somebody written that at talk.maemo.org but on jacekowski.org there's no word about that Aug 20 13:02:05 SpeedEvil: every half a day? Aug 20 13:02:27 * aquatix hasn't been a teenager for while anymore, so might be off Aug 20 13:04:06 vltR: didn't measure but I guess it does Aug 20 13:04:19 vltR: yes it is true Aug 20 13:04:28 hi jace Aug 20 13:05:08 but truely I don't get any difference, with boost or without Aug 20 13:05:16 subjective... Aug 20 13:07:37 well, more important thing is that it doesn't reduce power when cables are connected Aug 20 13:07:49 and connecting cables will make it better Aug 20 13:08:53 rotfl Aug 20 13:08:55 http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/08/20/how-to-make-your-n900s-fm-transmitter-work-in-the-76-0mhz-107-9mhz-range/ Aug 20 13:08:59 . Follow this TMO thread for more. Original hack by Jake Kowski. Aug 20 13:09:06 Jake Kowski Aug 20 13:09:08 that's new Aug 20 13:10:46 jacekowski: butbutbut, you're jake right? ;) Aug 20 13:11:03 gotta love those name fails Aug 20 13:12:41 no Aug 20 13:12:43 i'm not jake Aug 20 13:16:15 i'm quite surprised that nobody took that t.m.o thread down Aug 20 13:16:17 because it's illegal Aug 20 13:19:59 jacekowski, illegal threads? Aug 20 13:20:36 It's not illegal in japan Aug 20 13:26:20 afternoon all Aug 20 13:26:55 * lardman browses the Google My bookshelf api Aug 20 13:26:58 jacekowski: from poland? :) me bialystok ;) Aug 20 13:29:18 vltR: well, i don't live in poland at the moment Aug 20 13:30:03 hmm, can you have fmrx running at the same time as fmtx? Aug 20 13:33:15 Yes - from a hardware pov Aug 20 13:33:24 The stock software won't let it Aug 20 13:35:03 who uses stock nowadays Aug 20 13:35:15 stupid nokia :( Aug 20 13:35:20 so fmtx can transmit Aug 20 13:35:27 and fmrx can map free frequencies Aug 20 13:35:30 based on noise levels Aug 20 13:35:51 and with rds radio should be able to follow changes Aug 20 13:35:56 MohammadAG, LOTS of people use stock software and will continue to do for a long time Aug 20 13:35:57 instead of doing it with fmtx only Aug 20 13:36:28 fmtx can find free frequencies faster Aug 20 13:36:33 the engine is designed for spedd Aug 20 13:36:37 hmm, have not tried fmtx Aug 20 13:36:57 I always thought it was just a desktop plugin Aug 20 13:37:11 I mean the hardware Aug 20 13:37:13 fmtx can also check noise levels Aug 20 13:37:13 sorry Aug 20 13:40:49 SpeedEvil, and I suppose that's disabled too? Aug 20 13:41:25 no - not enabled Aug 20 13:41:45 not used, actually Aug 20 13:41:54 Same as tap events on the accellerometer, and adjacent cell information in the phone. Aug 20 13:42:24 nobody made a scanner yet Aug 20 13:42:33 SpeedEvil, let me guess, enabling it isn't the easiest thing to do Aug 20 13:44:11 SpeedEvil: yeah, but fmrx can do it in background without any interruption Aug 20 13:45:29 fmtx can find free frequencies faster Aug 20 13:45:29 the engine is designed for spedd Aug 20 13:45:41 it will still take time Aug 20 13:45:52 so instead of having couple second interruption to scan for frequencies Aug 20 13:46:03 fmrx can scan for them Aug 20 13:50:20 hmm, not sure if I can stop holding my breath now that PythonQT has started building Aug 20 13:52:27 lardman, just don't pass out. Aug 20 13:53:05 GAN900: yeah, I gave up when it all went black around the edges, and it's still compiling so sacrificing the goat must have helped too Aug 20 13:53:52 lardman, you are interested in a2dp stuff aren't you? (hi btw) Aug 20 13:54:20 lcuk: vaguely interested, not overly relevant for me atm though as I've not had a chance to play with the DSP on the N900 Aug 20 13:54:24 hi too :) Aug 20 13:54:57 okies :) Aug 20 13:55:06 what was it though, go on Aug 20 13:57:26 I've had a _much_ easier time with the C64x than I ever did with the C55x. Aug 20 13:57:44 Like, I actually got something that worked at the end. Aug 20 13:57:55 oh cool :) Aug 20 13:58:18 Though perhaps this was because I had someone else doing the hard work :). Aug 20 13:58:23 Well the SBC encoder worked, but just wasn't useful what with the memory transfers Aug 20 13:58:35 I imagine 8bit types would be nice and helpful :) Aug 20 13:58:45 For video, they're essential. Aug 20 13:58:59 nah, you can do lots of ORing ;) Aug 20 13:59:12 I got bored of that though and moved onto other things Aug 20 13:59:13 Not if you expect things to run in a reasonable amount of time. Aug 20 13:59:20 yes, that was a minor issue ;) Aug 20 13:59:48 C64x also has a bunch of SIMD instructions, etc. Aug 20 13:59:58 It's much more capable overall. Aug 20 14:00:06 Though it's considered the gas-guzzling SUV of DSPs. Aug 20 14:00:14 well they've added 9 to the CXX so I'd hope so :) Aug 20 14:01:15 derf: what are you up to these days? Aug 20 14:01:23 still audio & video codecs? Aug 20 14:01:27 Yeah. Aug 20 14:01:52 I've managed to get a full-time job doing it, finally. Aug 20 14:02:00 cool, well done Aug 20 14:02:08 Only took a decade. Aug 20 14:02:20 lol Aug 20 14:03:38 derf: Congratrs! Aug 20 14:03:53 Thanks. Aug 20 14:04:52 damn, spoke too soon about PythonQT Aug 20 14:05:33 pyuic or somesuch doesn't exist Aug 20 14:07:32 anyone know what pyuic is? Aug 20 14:07:51 Actually do we have a maemo-Python channel around here? Aug 20 14:09:42 It's the thing they put in the keep lardman from making things work. Aug 20 14:10:18 yeah, buggers! Aug 20 14:10:20 :) Aug 20 14:10:52 It's the thing they put in to annoy lardman enough that he can't be bothered to compile the package that is a dep for the work he wants to do Aug 20 14:12:23 ~ping Aug 20 14:12:24 ~pong Aug 20 14:14:45 alterego: ping Aug 20 14:14:56 ~seen alterego Aug 20 14:14:57 alterego is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 73 messages. Is idling for 1h 29m 35s, last said: 'Thanks for the update, that's very interesting news.'. Aug 20 14:15:31 ~seen icee Aug 20 14:15:32 i haven't seen 'icee', SpeedEvil Aug 20 14:29:27 can anyone point me at a python based map thingy? Aug 20 14:30:06 python based, or one with bindings? Aug 20 14:30:16 python based Aug 20 14:30:19 iirc libchamplain has bindings Aug 20 14:30:23 oh, sorry Aug 20 14:30:29 Someone is looking for a python map program Aug 20 14:30:46 what version of Qt do we have on the device? Aug 20 14:30:54 4.6.x? Aug 20 14:44:04 Nokia announced Friday that it will acquire Motally, a small, privately held mobile analytics firm in San Francisco. Aug 20 14:44:08 Staffed by a team of only eight people, Motally offers mobile app developers a service for tracking the usage of their software. The goal is to help developers enhance and optimize their apps by understanding how people use them. Aug 20 14:44:16 http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20014217-94.html Aug 20 14:45:47 I wonder if this is related to 360 Aug 20 14:46:06 crashanddie, they should before offer a plateform for developper to sell and distribute their apps Aug 20 14:46:11 ovi isn't one :) Aug 20 14:46:20 ov... oh Aug 20 14:46:47 lardman, yes, 4.6 is default since pr1.2 with 4.7 in -devel Aug 20 14:46:59 lardman, still here ? Aug 20 14:47:13 lardman, 4.6.2 ... pyuic is available on device Aug 20 14:47:50 maemo-Python channel <<< no python channel ... but pyqt channel have some maemo addict :) Aug 20 14:48:24 and if you have any pyqt question maybe i can answer it :) Aug 20 14:49:03 and a pyqt apps example : gitorious.org/khteditor or gitorious.org/khweeteur ... and there is many pyqt apps already in repo Aug 20 14:49:14 <[DarkGUNMAN]> daft question. how do you lower the colour depth in maemo ? Aug 20 14:49:30 you don't Aug 20 14:49:41 you don't even imagine how many things will break Aug 20 14:49:44 w00t_: BTW, following on from the MeeGo Touch Framework tutorial, do you know if there's an equivalent one focussed on nicely interactive Qt apps? Aug 20 14:49:47 Khertan: yep, am here Aug 20 14:49:49 and it will stop hardware acceleration Aug 20 14:50:29 Khertan: ah, I don't want PyQT, I want PythonQT which allows one to embed the python interpreter in a Qt app so I can perform scripting Aug 20 14:50:46 http://doc.trolltech.com/qq/qq23-pythonqt.html Aug 20 14:50:51 [DarkGUNMAN], to what end are you wanting lower colour depth? Aug 20 14:51:00 because when I started, it was one of hte questions I asked Aug 20 14:51:19 and I ended up using XVideo and the YUV overlay to allow 256greyscale Aug 20 14:51:21 lcuk: teh* Aug 20 14:51:22 lardman, such strange idea ... why not use python everywhere Aug 20 14:51:24 In some cases lowering bit depth can reduce power Aug 20 14:51:30 (I just neglected drawing onto the UV layers initially Aug 20 14:51:30 Khertan: lol Aug 20 14:51:35 SpeedEvil: but it will disable hardware acceleration Aug 20 14:51:41 re. Aug 20 14:51:42 I have one laptop that uses 10% less powerr at 4 bit, than 24 Aug 20 14:51:45 SpeedEvil: one of quirks of linux X Aug 20 14:51:47 lardman, let me look :) Aug 20 14:51:58 SpeedEvil: hardware acceleration works only on 24bpp Aug 20 14:52:07 jacekowski, it depends if the intermediate compositor handles it happily Aug 20 14:52:15 its mute really because things will break Aug 20 14:52:27 but its not a technical foregone conclusion Aug 20 14:52:51 and jacekowski thats really good since x11 is in 15bit mode Aug 20 14:53:15 so reevaluate your point quickly ;) Aug 20 14:53:23 no wai Aug 20 14:53:37 <[DarkGUNMAN]> i was hoping to use 16bit. Aug 20 14:53:55 hmm, Aug 20 14:53:58 [DarkGUNMAN], what are you using to do the drawing etc Aug 20 14:54:09 well, desktop 3d Aug 20 14:54:17 ati drivers and nvidia drivers require 24bit Aug 20 14:54:31 oh, sorry I forgot we were on a desktop linux channel Aug 20 14:54:40 :|A Aug 20 14:55:10 that would be cool actually to plugin a new graphics card to maemo device Aug 20 14:55:19 <[DarkGUNMAN]> yep. lower the desktop colour bpp in hildon Aug 20 14:55:25 well, you sort of can Aug 20 14:55:35 x can do 3d over network Aug 20 14:55:58 [DarkGUNMAN], to know you want to lower it you must have evidence its using a higher BPP Aug 20 14:56:57 * lcuk has to convert 24BPP YUV images down to 15/16bit for viewing on X11 ximage Aug 20 14:57:08 fwiw here's my error: http://maemo.pastebin.com/qWeV6s7w Aug 20 14:57:10 lardman, ouch hard to found "pythonqt" documentation with google ... it s cache all python+qt Aug 20 14:57:15 have to pop out and pick up my wife's car Aug 20 14:57:36 yeah, the project page is here: http://pythonqt.sourceforge.net/ Aug 20 14:57:53 bbl anyway, any thoughts gladly accepted :) Aug 20 14:58:13 lardman, uic is in a devel package Aug 20 14:58:16 <[DarkGUNMAN]> fair enough, its just speculation really to see of it would speed up the desktop Aug 20 14:58:58 sure [DarkGUNMAN] - which parts are bottlenecks for you? Aug 20 14:58:59 Venemo: pong? Aug 20 14:59:06 * lcuk thinks desktop runs well on the whole Aug 20 15:00:06 Khertan: (not quite gone yet), yeah uic is present Aug 20 15:00:11 not sure why the error Aug 20 15:00:28 uic maybe but pyuic ? Aug 20 15:00:36 <[DarkGUNMAN]> an experiment to see if scrolling and transitions are better. possibly .avi files. Aug 20 15:01:03 avi files would be a different case usually because they would use the nice rapid renderer afaik Aug 20 15:01:04 <[DarkGUNMAN]> if its easy for someone with limited experience like me to do Aug 20 15:01:10 * lcuk never experiences problems watching movies Aug 20 15:01:54 scrolling is different to transitions also - you can tweak the transitions.ini file to find a different balance Aug 20 15:02:43 alterego: well, I solved it since then :P Aug 20 15:02:54 <[DarkGUNMAN]> me neither, but i know i had issues with tv streaming during the world cup, mplayer needed less detail to run smooth Aug 20 15:03:13 alterego: I wanted to port fpaste to Maemo :P Aug 20 15:03:45 <[DarkGUNMAN]> though vlc had issues at times as well Aug 20 15:04:07 [DarkGUNMAN], streaming video has problems beyond local optimisations Aug 20 15:04:49 because you are working many more components ontop of an unreliable connection Aug 20 15:06:05 alterego: and I succeeded :P Aug 20 15:06:08 <[DarkGUNMAN]> never mind, it was just an idea :) Aug 20 15:06:21 [DarkGUNMAN], of course Aug 20 15:06:22 plus, I can only imagine that the world cup wasn't exactly bandwidth friendly on streaming servers Aug 20 15:06:35 alterego: just pinged you, because it was Python code and I never worked with Python Aug 20 15:09:20 Are there Hildon bindings / libraries to enable PyQt users to use the N810/N900-specific goodies? Aug 20 15:10:16 going home, 'later Aug 20 15:35:47 help!!! Aug 20 15:35:52 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/252454/ Aug 20 15:35:53 mva: hey Aug 20 15:36:22 mva: how did you get to this? Aug 20 15:37:01 apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade Aug 20 15:37:30 mva: what repos do you have enabled? Aug 20 15:37:58 MohammadAG: http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/commit/624231109e727e7b4c21c9f1a526ff191c309e5a Aug 20 15:39:24 RST38h: this is old news Aug 20 15:39:54 Venemo, http://pastebin.ca/1921454 Aug 20 15:40:36 ah ok Aug 20 15:40:39 mva: interesting, I have the same output Aug 20 15:40:50 RST38h, but ... thx ... i didn't know ! Aug 20 15:41:04 so it s now official Aug 20 15:41:07 no more update :) Aug 20 15:41:14 Khertan: this is not true Aug 20 15:41:22 Khertan: this is only for hildon-desktop... Aug 20 15:41:39 Venemo, yes ... hildon-desktop Aug 20 15:41:52 well hildon-desktop is what you see 90% of time Aug 20 15:42:04 well, it is considered stable Aug 20 15:42:08 hum ... Aug 20 15:42:14 * RST38h laughs hysterically Aug 20 15:42:16 some consider it stable Aug 20 15:42:19 try MohammadAG's fixed version Aug 20 15:42:34 the one which conflict with many packages ? :) Aug 20 15:42:59 Khertan: afaik it doesn't conflict with anything Aug 20 15:43:09 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60599 Aug 20 15:43:42 Khertan: read the first post Aug 20 15:43:51 it was in the past :) Aug 20 15:44:13 Khertan: ? Aug 20 15:44:32 yep i'm reading it Aug 20 15:44:40 Venemo, any ideas, how to fix it? :) Aug 20 15:44:51 first release was conflicting with some maemo "official" package Aug 20 15:44:55 ruskie, ping Aug 20 15:44:59 mva: no idea. but I'd say ignoreit Aug 20 15:44:59 this seems to be fixed right now Aug 20 15:45:11 Khertan: I dunno... it works for me Aug 20 15:45:27 Venemo, :) Aug 20 15:45:34 Khertan: it eliminates the PR 1.2 call ui glitch too Aug 20 15:45:41 i like this sentence ... : "works for me" Aug 20 15:45:48 i use it everydays ! Aug 20 15:46:14 PR1.2 call ui glitch? Aug 20 15:46:34 Venemo, i hope it fixes the last memory leak :) Aug 20 15:46:54 dmj726_devel, yes ... should be PR1.2 call ui glitches Aug 20 15:46:55 :) Aug 20 15:48:17 dmj726_devel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54556 Aug 20 15:48:30 dmj726_devel: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10613 Aug 20 15:48:31 Bug 10613: screen glitches on incoming call Aug 20 15:48:50 Khertan: you should be aware of the "works on my machine" certification then Aug 20 15:49:29 Not sure if that's what happens to me or not, but it quite likely is. Aug 20 15:49:31 pff, "works as coded" is the best one Aug 20 15:49:41 http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2007/03/the-works-on-my-machine-certification-program.html Aug 20 15:49:53 read this Aug 20 15:49:57 dmj726_devel: possibly. Aug 20 15:50:13 dmj726_devel: there is also a youtube video about the issue, found in the bugtracker Aug 20 15:50:32 * RST38h idly wonders what it would be worth to rotate application icons in hildon-desktop, when in portrait mode Aug 20 15:50:46 currently i working for a company where i always say : conform to specs ... no specs ... no code ! Aug 20 15:51:00 I've noticed the call ui can be laggy (and momentarily redraw itself funny) when the phone is under load Aug 20 15:51:02 no specs ... no features is frequent also Aug 20 15:51:08 portrait mode sucks ._. Aug 20 15:51:18 Khertan: :D Aug 20 15:51:25 dmj726_devel, particulary when it switch to portrait ... :) Aug 20 15:51:32 yeah Aug 20 15:52:41 dmj726_devel: that's it Aug 20 15:53:10 probably one of the more annoying aspects of the device Aug 20 15:53:27 Anyway i think there will be no more update for n900. Aug 20 15:53:38 Khertan: Obsession with specs is usually a sure way to fail the project Aug 20 15:53:47 Not that specs are unimportant, but... Aug 20 15:53:52 RST38h, but none is the otherone Aug 20 15:54:11 RST38h, as when there is no specs ... no real definition of what they want Aug 20 15:54:17 Khertan: not right. PR 1.3 is coming. Aug 20 15:54:20 no testing validation Aug 20 15:54:47 RST38h, when the client got the soft ... they just say ... this is not what who want ... we want more ... Aug 20 15:54:48 Ah, just because you have specs does not mean you can always do validation... Aug 20 15:55:08 Khertan: Yea, the task has to be properly defined Aug 20 15:55:30 RST38h, ah ... yes of course ... but this isn't the case Aug 20 15:55:39 Khertan: It goes bad when they start specifying HOW you are supposed to achieve their goal Aug 20 15:55:39 Khertan: that message wrt hildon-desktop is far after pr.1.2, so pr 1.3 is quite likely (and from what I have heard certain) Aug 20 15:55:39 the task isn't define Aug 20 15:56:02 RST38h, but it s not better when they clearly not explain their need Aug 20 15:56:16 i could write specs myself ... if i know what they want :) Aug 20 15:56:19 Khertan: do they ever? :) Aug 20 15:56:24 ever Aug 20 15:56:37 PR 1.3 IS COMING TO GET YOU Aug 20 15:56:39 they just ... not like that Aug 20 15:57:10 Venemo, yeah pr1.3 ... bug fixes ... but real evolve ... meego is the futur Aug 20 15:57:18 Venemo, yeah pr1.3 ... bug fixes ... but no real evolve ... meego is the futur Aug 20 15:58:10 and at least .... i should try to install meego on a micro sd and try to install pyside Aug 20 15:58:23 just to see what my editor look like under meego :) Aug 20 15:58:27 meego handset Aug 20 15:58:32 Incredibly, rotating icons in hildon-desktop may not be that difficult Aug 20 15:58:36 you also need ...... to use less ... ellipses..... Aug 20 15:58:42 * RST38h looks at the sources of hd-launcher-tile.c Aug 20 15:59:08 Just need to hook up to the rotation signal on DBus and tell those tiles to rotate Aug 20 15:59:11 RST38h, i think it s useless ... there is enough glitchs when switching to portrait Aug 20 15:59:12 but I have to say that some people have been whining about FUD in tmo, at least nokia is completely responsible for any FUD with their policy of not saying anything about n900's or maemo's future Aug 20 15:59:19 N9 photos http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=855903283 Aug 20 15:59:45 rmrfchik, it s horrible ... Aug 20 16:00:01 hmm, fud Aug 20 16:00:10 omnomnom Aug 20 16:00:27 hehe, at least fud is good for something Aug 20 16:00:43 Khertan: it's nokia Aug 20 16:01:19 Treibholz, they've said plenty. If not in so many words. Aug 20 16:01:21 rmrfchik, and ? i like the n900 design ... Aug 20 16:01:50 Khertan: well. all good nokia is in the past Aug 20 16:04:13 omnomnom! Aug 20 16:04:15 other than failing with the keyboard layout as badly as they have with the n900, i dont see the problems with the "n9" you guys seem to Aug 20 16:07:18 hopefully they will get rid of excessive bezel around the screen in the final model, amd none of the pics show well how thick n9 is either so hard to say in from that POV Aug 20 16:11:00 keyboard fail again ._. Aug 20 16:11:15 it's a pretty big deal, you know Aug 20 16:12:05 is fennec the default handset browser? Aug 20 16:12:23 Nokia's hardware developers are foolish. Aug 20 16:12:26 ack Aug 20 16:12:34 s/developers/designers Aug 20 16:12:40 nokia fails Aug 20 16:12:47 Indeed Aug 20 16:13:15 how can a company make something that kickass and then fail so badly at easy stuff like talking to your community Aug 20 16:13:35 Ask openmoko. Aug 20 16:13:55 will they answer? Aug 20 16:13:56 :P Aug 20 16:13:57 A open linux mobile could have happened xmas 2007. Aug 20 16:14:19 but... Aug 20 16:15:10 openmoko lacked lots of features back then Aug 20 16:15:34 psycho_oreos: True. Much of that was hardware. Aug 20 16:15:36 Err Aug 20 16:15:37 software Aug 20 16:16:03 In xmas 2007 - a phone with basic phone/sms/... functions could have happened, that was able to run random GTK stuff. Aug 20 16:16:19 The march 2007 stack was 'ok' as a phone. Aug 20 16:19:09 Hardware sure didn't help Aug 20 16:20:33 n900 may have sucked but by far it was still a better overall internet tablet/phone compared to its competitors in terms of being hacker-friendly.. period. Aug 20 16:23:07 GAN900: No. But there was nothing too fundamentally broken about neo1973 that could not have been fixed with minor hardware mods. The rest is arguable form factor breakage that will put some off. Aug 20 16:25:57 the n900 is a great internet tablet, is a good enough phone and it's a truly kickass smartphone Aug 20 16:28:06 ( will they answer?) depends on whom you ask Aug 20 16:28:23 DocScrutinizer: how can a company make something that kickass and then fail so badly at easy stuff like talking to your community? Aug 20 16:28:50 By not having someone with a clue high up that is a liason. Aug 20 16:29:03 yep Aug 20 16:29:25 You need someone at at least the same level as the software dev lead. Aug 20 16:30:01 re Aug 20 16:33:13 kerio, everybody grows up. Aug 20 16:34:35 kerio: noone knows Aug 20 16:35:08 kerio, you will find that very few companies have a community presence Aug 20 16:35:35 their community is different to the communities you are thinking about Aug 20 16:36:47 lcuk: what do you mean? Aug 20 16:37:16 I would not expect 'proper' community involvement in many companies to hit for >>10 years Aug 20 16:37:42 Venemo, where I used to work, a normal company - there was no user community as such. its a different environment because their community are other businesses etc Aug 20 16:51:43 hi, a question: how many colors can the n900 show? on some sites you see 65k (e.g. nokia website) on some others you can read aout 16,7 million Aug 20 16:54:59 65k on the screen normally Aug 20 16:55:20 The hardware can do 24 bit, and in some compositing things that's what's used Aug 20 16:56:45 SpeedEvil: 24? sure? i think 16 Aug 20 16:59:57 it's normally 16 Aug 20 16:59:58 lcuk was saying earlier that it does 24 bit in overlay Aug 20 17:00:07 but the hw is capable of 24 Aug 20 17:00:11 Or was it luke-jr Aug 20 17:00:16 let's always use overlay! Aug 20 17:00:18 it was me Aug 20 17:00:19 I always get those two confused Aug 20 17:00:22 ah. Aug 20 17:00:39 * lcuk notices difference when switching between YUV and RGB Aug 20 17:00:50 kerio, not practical, YUV is a completely different color space Aug 20 17:00:59 and converting between them is an intensive process Aug 20 17:01:10 make X convert the colors Aug 20 17:01:15 .. and lossy Aug 20 17:01:19 the lazy bastard Aug 20 17:01:24 kerio, its not just converting colors Aug 20 17:01:47 anyway, is there a way to just enable 24bit while in RGB mode? Aug 20 17:03:01 bah, the maxPITA is the AV fb, which seems 12bpp or somesuch Aug 20 17:03:06 i doubt Aug 20 17:03:17 to take a 16bit full screen (native RGB) and convert to YUV, you have 768000 bytes of information on source side and 576000 bytes on destination side Aug 20 17:04:20 you can read the source pixels using a planar run, but the destination require 3 planes and encounter all sorts of optimisation issues that make it a non trivial issue (but there is technically hardware available to do it Aug 20 17:04:37 IVA on n8x0 and called something else on the n900 Aug 20 17:04:41 but not used afaik Aug 20 17:04:47 kerio: dunno about n900 but on n8x0 /dev/fb1 that is used by X to output stuff only provides mmap-able area with 16bpp. Aug 20 17:05:32 lcuk will correct me if i'm wrong :) Aug 20 17:06:06 it sounds reasonable, I am not actually sure about the lower graphics modes available directly on the N900 Aug 20 17:06:21 RST38h is actually better able to speak up most likely, since some of his apps use it Aug 20 17:06:57 alas there's once more no datasheet available for LCD module, but odds are it can't do anything better than 32k colors anyway Aug 20 17:08:16 lcuk: i know that because i was rewriting text2screen (whose colors are broken on both n8x0/n900 because it doesn't convert them to 16bpp :) Aug 20 17:09:52 Hi Aug 20 17:09:56 lcuk: try text2screen -t test -T 0x00ff00. it is yellow :) Aug 20 17:10:23 johnsq: hello Aug 20 17:10:51 DocScrutinizer, it can certainly manage greater than the 16bit Aug 20 17:11:05 (and with fb_text2screen it is properly green) :) Aug 20 17:11:15 I will try to show you 2 pictures taken in YUV and RGB Aug 20 17:14:49 lcuk: why do you think it can? Aug 20 17:16:15 lcuk: aiui the LC driver logic usually has really crappy D/A converters, so the number of discrete physical states you can drive the crystals to is rather limited Aug 20 17:16:15 hello Aug 20 17:16:17 lcuk: that won't make sense if i'll be looking at them from 16bpp n900 :D Aug 20 17:16:39 anyone know anything about restarting n900 using bluetooth keyboard/mouse? Aug 20 17:16:53 skyscraper: sure Aug 20 17:17:09 slonopotamus: whats the problem? Aug 20 17:17:26 use bt mouse to launch terminal, then use keyboard to type root, enter, reboot Aug 20 17:17:35 lol Aug 20 17:17:39 and voila, n900 is restarted Aug 20 17:17:42 -.- Aug 20 17:17:54 it restarts itself .. and shouldnt do that Aug 20 17:18:00 oh. Aug 20 17:18:54 slonopotamus: you should improve your pidgin :-) I also got it wrong Aug 20 17:18:58 i've get bluetooth keyboard working - partially...- mousepad works - and... keys working... but no CAPS and no numbers and no äöü ... the arrows are ö . and left/right Aug 20 17:19:14 err Aug 20 17:19:24 seems to be keymap error Aug 20 17:19:32 skyscraper: ^^^ Aug 20 17:19:33 yes Aug 20 17:19:39 i wanted to remap with Aug 20 17:19:59 setxkbmap -device 4 -I -I/usr/share/X11/xkb-chinook -rules base -model pc105 -layout de Aug 20 17:20:03 but it wont work Aug 20 17:20:21 slonopotamus, DocScrutinizer - I can see a distinct amount of stepping on gradients on normal x11 vs much smoother gradients on yuv Aug 20 17:20:26 after reboot this command with "-layout us" works... but with "-layout de" i get an error.. Aug 20 17:20:32 model pc105 ? does that even exist? Aug 20 17:20:43 DocScrutinizer: after rereading i still understand the question that way :) Aug 20 17:20:44 it seems that the bluetooth keyboard uses same mappings as internal keypad Aug 20 17:20:56 now I have put my foot in it, I have added 10second waitstates to one of the functions and just found out its called multiple times per frame Aug 20 17:21:06 DocScrutinizer: get it from http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=5221 Aug 20 17:21:09 * lcuk might reevaluate this section of code Aug 20 17:21:20 like described in http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Bluetooth_Keyboard_Layout Aug 20 17:22:23 skyscraper: seems it's missing the de layout Aug 20 17:22:34 DocScrutinizer: where to get it? Aug 20 17:23:03 sorry, talking outa my a... Aug 20 17:23:08 no idea, really Aug 20 17:24:11 lcuk: hw can do 16 bit rgb and 24 bit yuv? Aug 20 17:24:32 lcuk: and x runs in rgb because most stuff it draws is rgb Aug 20 17:24:43 skyscraper: -I/usr/share/X11/xkb-chinook vs Fremantle_Bluetooth_Keyboard_Layout makes me scratch head though Aug 20 17:25:16 hm, btw, is there kind of a reason the front facing cam on the n900 has a blueish-green tone? Aug 20 17:25:17 copied it from there 1to1 Aug 20 17:25:41 ok, so it's intentional Aug 20 17:25:45 might be ok Aug 20 17:26:16 prolly pc105 layout changed little from chinook to fremantle ;-P Aug 20 17:26:19 hm.... whats wrong with the mapping..argh... double-mouseclick seems to be "reboot" xD... Aug 20 17:26:31 mikki-kun: if its colors are damaged the same way as text2screen, it would explain that Aug 20 17:27:15 hm, may i ask how i can check that? till now i haven't heard of text2screen Aug 20 17:28:29 the bluetooth connection itself seems to be ok: > ACL 00:07:61:FF:ED:EA handle 11 state 1 lm MASTER AUTH Aug 20 17:28:40 it outputs 24 bit color to 16bit device without doing conversion so higher bits of RED get lost Aug 20 17:28:41 slonopotamus, yes Aug 20 17:28:52 slonopotamus, DocScrutinizer http://liqbase.net/liq.20100820_comparison_yuv_rgb_x11.htm Aug 20 17:30:26 lcuk: yuv one looks... lighter Aug 20 17:30:37 mikki-kun: missing/borked white balance, together with artificial light? Aug 20 17:31:00 slonopotamus, color banace gamut differences - its the gradients which you are talking about Aug 20 17:31:04 balance Aug 20 17:31:31 now, I might have done something wrong in my conversion, but I could not get the 24bit RGB path to work Aug 20 17:31:48 DocScrutinizer: uhm, well, i can't say that good... the problem is that somehow the image is in general either too blueish-green with mplayer or just way too dark (as in my room) Aug 20 17:31:52 but those screenshots are taken in the respective mode directly Aug 20 17:32:09 one using liqbase YUV image taking tool, the other with ctrl+sh+p Aug 20 17:32:50 lcuk: screenshots mean nothing, but anyway you see massive gradient steps in the second shot Aug 20 17:33:43 to get reasonable comparision you need real *screen* shots Aug 20 17:33:49 yeah DocScrutinizer that gradient step is noticable as the conversion is occuring Aug 20 17:33:52 with a really good cam, in macro Aug 20 17:34:14 yeah Aug 20 17:34:17 i use as a command with mplayer "mplayer -tv driver=v4l2:width=640:height=488:outfmt=rgb32:quality=100:hue=0:contrast=10:brightness=10:saturation=50:gain=100:fps=30:device=/dev/video1 -vo xv tv:// -vf mirror Aug 20 17:34:23 but the time when like for like is onscreen is very short Aug 20 17:34:50 I just posted those because it was possible to do it reasonably reproducably Aug 20 17:34:51 the contrast, hue, saturation and brightness i will adjust as i need to check it at times Aug 20 17:34:58 mikki-kun: try to adjust hue Aug 20 17:35:13 DocScrutinizer: well, i try from -100 to 100 in different steps Aug 20 17:35:19 it kinda doesn't work Aug 20 17:35:57 sorry, no idea with mplayer. Maybe use gstreamer, maybe ask SpeedEvil Aug 20 17:36:32 hm, i've till now only used mplayer for mostly any stuff related to checking webcams and stuff... i am not very talented with gstreamer Aug 20 17:36:44 hm... no one know how to remap all those keys? Aug 20 17:36:45 but i think i'll try searchign for a command Aug 20 17:36:59 skyscraper: sorry, what's the question? Aug 20 17:37:06 hildon-im-xkbtool --list .... output looks great Aug 20 17:37:11 skyscraper: check the related wiki pages Aug 20 17:37:15 ID 4, Name: "Logitech Cordless MediaBoard Pro(TM)" Aug 20 17:38:10 xorg needs a kick in the ass to accept normal mice afaik Aug 20 17:38:22 lcuk: smth is wrong. i can see gradients difference using n900 xorg :/ Aug 20 17:38:30 the fremantle special flavour of xorg Aug 20 17:38:45 skyscraper: ask MohammadAG51 Aug 20 17:38:59 slonopotamus_, huh? Aug 20 17:39:04 i just said, 16bit is known Aug 20 17:39:24 hurrah I came back to life Aug 20 17:39:31 * MohammadAG wakes up Aug 20 17:39:52 ~wake MohammadAG Aug 20 17:39:53 * infobot throws a barrel-full of ice water on MohammadAG and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" Aug 20 17:40:30 DocScrutinizer: hm, i found something for gstreamer, but it can't find specified command... via 'find / | grep gst-launch' it isn't findable either... Aug 20 17:40:48 lcuk: i opened your page in microb (that should be in same mode as X) and can visually see that gradients differ. Aug 20 17:41:05 hah Aug 20 17:41:08 now that's a morning... i'd say hot coffee would be more effective ^^ Aug 20 17:41:09 mikki-kun: apt-cache search is your friend Aug 20 17:41:11 thats probable for other reasons Aug 20 17:41:18 thanks for the hint :) Aug 20 17:41:55 slonopotamus_, I did the best I could wit hthe YUV/RGB conversion, but the gamut is slightly off, its enough on those photos to see what I see on screen Aug 20 17:42:50 lcuk: how about setting up a decent calibration screen? Aug 20 17:43:09 with color and grey gradient bars Aug 20 17:43:22 lcuk: you do yuv24->rgb16 or yuv24->rgb24->rgb16? Aug 20 17:43:59 yuv24->rgb24->rgb16 Aug 20 17:44:19 per pixel, the YUV->rgb is 24bit oriented Aug 20 17:44:29 then it gets dropped and chopped and bitrolled Aug 20 17:44:40 rgb16 is 5/6/5 !! Aug 20 17:45:13 so any greenish clor in rgb24 data displayed as rgb16 is expected Aug 20 17:45:15 DocScrutinizer: surpsize :) Aug 20 17:46:37 yeah Aug 20 17:46:41 ~ping Aug 20 17:46:42 ~pong Aug 20 17:46:44 at least i got bluetooth encryption working Aug 20 17:47:06 but generally everything should look completely odd when 'converting' 8/8/8 (RGB24) to 5/6/5 (RGB16) by mere truncation of higher bits or whatever Aug 20 17:47:32 DocScrutinizer: 1 sec, i got conversion thingie somewhere Aug 20 17:47:58 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms893078.aspx Aug 20 17:48:07 * lcuk thanks microsoft everytime I look at that formula Aug 20 17:48:27 DocScrutinizer: http://git.slonopotamus.org/?p=fb_text2screen;a=blob;f=fb_text2screen.c;h=3092efacb7724fe32f3c4547cdc6e92e94ecfa4b;hb=HEAD#l49 Aug 20 17:49:02 slonopotamus_: waiting for the beers to bribe me into looking at that *now* Aug 20 17:49:02 slonopotamus_, thats endian specific? Aug 20 17:49:03 no wonder why it didn't work Aug 20 17:49:20 johnsq, the YUV->RGB works nicely Aug 20 17:49:35 lcuk: RGB conversion for sure is endian-dependant Aug 20 17:49:39 more informative than any other bit of pseudo code I found Aug 20 17:49:58 lcuk: i guess that's little-endian Aug 20 17:50:27 yeah, that might be why you had problems with wrong colors ;) Aug 20 17:51:34 i didn't have Aug 20 17:51:43 text2screen has :) Aug 20 17:52:13 w/e Aug 20 17:52:52 lcuk: your rgb gradients are bad :) n900 can do better Aug 20 17:53:21 slonopotamus_, I don't see how because I am filling the available colour space from what I can gather Aug 20 17:53:23 * MohammadAG yawns and wakes up Aug 20 17:53:30 ~nuke DocScrutinizer Aug 20 17:53:31 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DocScrutinizer ... B☢☢M! Aug 20 17:53:45 DocScrutinizer: hm, i can't seem to find the right packet for gst-launch... maybe you have an idea where it could be? Aug 20 17:53:59 lcuk: gradients do differ when seen on n900. yuv one is smoother Aug 20 17:54:16 * lcuk looks Aug 20 17:54:36 slonopotamus_, that might simply be other interpolation perhaps, let me bring it up Aug 20 17:55:17 http://liqbase.net/liq.20100820_comparison_yuv_rgb_x11.htm Aug 20 17:55:48 (and colors are visually different, what hints that you're coing smth wrong) Aug 20 17:56:11 timeless, does microb do colour interpolation and dithering? Aug 20 17:56:29 * lcuk takes a screenshot of the screenshot Aug 20 17:56:33 lcuk: i saw that link already :/ Aug 20 17:57:00 :D Aug 20 17:57:27 lcukn900 hadn't though ;) Aug 20 17:57:28 * slonopotamus_ takes a screenshot of lcuk saying he takes a screenshot of screenshot Aug 20 17:57:38 ooh Aug 20 17:57:43 there is another layer between Aug 20 17:58:07 * lcuk investigates Aug 20 17:58:30 gosh, N900 down to <$300 already… tempting to buy for once Aug 20 17:59:35 mikki-kun: hmm, I got gst-launch installed, sorry no idea where from, but I generally didn't care about any gst pkg installation Aug 20 18:00:02 maybe when i install all gst packages? Aug 20 18:00:06 luke-jr: some interesting updates in "relicense bme" bugreport Aug 20 18:00:23 slonopotamus_: really? I must not be subscribed… Aug 20 18:00:27 link? Aug 20 18:00:37 what would be the proper command for that? i am not familiar with apt-get install... would "apt-get install gstreamer*" work? Aug 20 18:00:38 you've reported it Aug 20 18:00:56 the mid range has a green hue Aug 20 18:02:15 mikki-kun: gst-tools is da pkg Aug 20 18:02:27 luke-jr: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314#c12 Aug 20 18:02:28 Bug 9314: relicense BME Aug 20 18:02:35 ahhh, big thanks :) Aug 20 18:02:47 povbot: wtf povbot Aug 20 18:02:48 slonopotamus_: Error: "wtf" is not a valid command. Aug 20 18:03:01 povbot: quit Aug 20 18:03:01 slonopotamus_: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. Aug 20 18:06:08 wtf Aug 20 18:06:43 I've read something and YES: the bluetooth keyboard can type numbers etc. in DOSBOX... - but in DOSBOX it seems to be US layout Aug 20 18:07:38 US layout doesn't have numbers? Aug 20 18:07:59 updated the page with some more info and that screenshot of micro Aug 20 18:08:01 microb Aug 20 18:08:48 * lcuk is pleased at least some of it is a bug in code and hopefully rectifiable :) Aug 20 18:09:48 infobot: attack slonopotamus_ Aug 20 18:09:50 * infobot grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing slonopotamus_ Aug 20 18:09:57 slonopotamus_: US layout has numbers... but / on german "-" or "-" on german "ß" Aug 20 18:11:10 and in easy debian some things work, too... but not in maemo itself Aug 20 18:13:21 lcuk: i'm not sure yuv image goes through rgb24 when seen in microb (though i don't know how to check that) Aug 20 18:13:56 no, i know. do direct yuv24->rgb16 conversion and output to screen bypassing X Aug 20 18:14:54 DocScrutinizer: the image looks the same when using gstreamer for the pic... i'll try and search for more settings now Aug 20 18:14:58 at least it starts now Aug 20 18:15:31 there should be options for white balance Aug 20 18:15:44 lcuk: though i don't know what we'll gain after finding root of this issue :P Aug 20 18:16:03 MohammadAG: are you here? Aug 20 18:16:18 gotcha! Aug 20 18:16:20 DocScrutinizer, Aug 20 18:16:30 you mentioned something about 454 or something? Aug 20 18:16:30 eh? Aug 20 18:16:31 skyscraper, no, IRC does not exist Aug 20 18:16:39 lcuk: 565 Aug 20 18:16:41 xD Aug 20 18:16:42 :) Aug 20 18:16:47 slonopotamus_, DocScrutinizer !! Aug 20 18:16:48 http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/portrait_test/src/liqx11_cover.c#L124 Aug 20 18:16:52 lcuk: 16 in total :) Aug 20 18:16:53 sussed where the drop is Aug 20 18:17:02 I am losing the single bit of green plane data Aug 20 18:17:07 all are being dropped to 555 Aug 20 18:17:10 * MohammadAG is bored Aug 20 18:17:13 * MohammadAG slaps lcuk Aug 20 18:17:13 hehe Aug 20 18:17:19 MohammadAG: maybe you know why i cant "setxkbmap -I -I/usr/share/X11/xkb-chinook -rules base -model pc105 -layout de" Aug 20 18:17:22 moin Aug 20 18:17:29 o_O Aug 20 18:17:31 :) Aug 20 18:17:35 * MohammadAG would suggest qole Aug 20 18:17:35 ok, so theres a very slight advantage available Aug 20 18:17:37 whoa man mypaint is _amazing_ Aug 20 18:17:45 it actually works pretty damn well Aug 20 18:17:50 Shapeshifter, reactionfaceoff doesn't start Aug 20 18:18:10 MohammadAG: wat Aug 20 18:18:19 MohammadAG: what happens Aug 20 18:18:27 lcuk: rgb16 usually is either 5/6/5 or actually rgb15 Aug 20 18:18:29 sec, lemme paste backtrack Aug 20 18:18:30 err Aug 20 18:18:33 backtrace Aug 20 18:18:38 * MohammadAG hits head Aug 20 18:18:38 ... Aug 20 18:18:41 traceback Aug 20 18:18:53 DocScrutinizer: you need to develop your math skills :/ Aug 20 18:19:11 slonopotamus_: eh? Aug 20 18:19:22 what's a faster pastebin? Aug 20 18:19:28 DocScrutinizer: 5+6=11. 11+5= 16 Aug 20 18:19:37 no Aug 20 18:19:41 5+6 = 56 Aug 20 18:19:43 duh Aug 20 18:19:45 slonopotamus_: so WHAT? Aug 20 18:19:52 MohammadAG: pastie.org Aug 20 18:20:42 what's wrong with 5+6+5=16???? Aug 20 18:21:03 hm. no one has any idea? Aug 20 18:22:00 DocScrutinizer: i accidentally skipped "either" in your message, sorry Aug 20 18:22:03 skyscraper, whats up? Aug 20 18:22:14 i cant get fucking numbers work -.- Aug 20 18:22:17 slonopotamus_: you need to develop your troll skills Aug 20 18:22:40 DocScrutinizer: is that an invitation to talk about OC? :) Aug 20 18:22:47 Shapeshifter, http://pastebin.com/9uKQDxgy Aug 20 18:23:01 i hear overclocking's well great and perfectly safe, discuss. Aug 20 18:23:28 hmm skyscraper which numbers which app which language, dont they work normally? Aug 20 18:23:46 nid0, so do I, clearly you should try 1.25GHz. Aug 20 18:23:47 MohammadAG51: well that's great. That bug is in numpy... Aug 20 18:23:58 MohammadAG51: I'll look into how it got there... Aug 20 18:24:02 lcuk n900 bluetooth keyboard... Aug 20 18:24:24 GAN900, meh, 6GHz is where it's at atm Aug 20 18:24:41 skyscraper, hmm Aug 20 18:25:00 MohammadAG: mhh but I think something's wrong with your numpy version. Did you install something on your own? Aug 20 18:25:02 nid0: very few people have set themselves on fire Aug 20 18:25:16 MohammadAG: will you upload ubuntu this night, really? Aug 20 18:25:28 lcuk setxkbmap doenst work Aug 20 18:25:31 doesnt Aug 20 18:25:43 MohammadAG: I'm all up to date and if I run python and then import numpy; numpy.core.numeric I see which means the module DOES exist contrary to what your backtrace says Aug 20 18:25:48 skyscraper, not sure, still not going home Aug 20 18:26:06 skyscraper, not sure on this one Aug 20 18:26:11 Shapeshifter, it worked before i reflashed Aug 20 18:26:13 perhaps others with bt keyboards can help Aug 20 18:26:14 MohammadAG: hm... hoped ;( Aug 20 18:26:23 well Aug 20 18:26:25 lcuk maybe.. but seems to no one is only Aug 20 18:26:27 online Aug 20 18:26:32 still not on my way home Aug 20 18:26:38 max tomorrow though Aug 20 18:26:50 skyscraper, try to write a clear mail to the mailing list or potentially on talk.maemo.org Aug 20 18:27:05 lcuk: the funnies thing is when watching through microb, you see _both_ images in 16 bit :) Aug 20 18:27:12 slonopotamus, sure Aug 20 18:27:28 slonopotamus, I am pleased I can see why its a problem at least Aug 20 18:27:30 lcuk: and bad gradient effects on PLUS are seen on both images Aug 20 18:27:53 theres no gradient problem on device in yuv mode Aug 20 18:28:08 so that part is still valid Aug 20 18:28:13 because it's 24 bit :) Aug 20 18:28:17 it was just highlighted more by my bug Aug 20 18:28:43 * lcuk has been saying hes crap at coding Aug 20 18:28:46 for ages Aug 20 18:29:47 its crazy... i dont understand why keyboard works great in DOSBOX but not in maemo Aug 20 18:29:57 now, the interesting part is what is 32 bit mode :) Aug 20 18:30:13 MohammadAG: you could run python and then execute import numpy; numpy.version.version Should say 1.4.0 Aug 20 18:30:19 skyscraper: because dosbox rocks and maemo doesn't Aug 20 18:30:28 slonopotamus, 32bit graphics is rgba Aug 20 18:30:30 Shapeshifter, which package is that part of anyways? Aug 20 18:30:31 quite well known Aug 20 18:30:48 slonopotamus: but dosbox runs IN maemo... why can handle dosbox all those keys and maemo cant? Aug 20 18:31:01 and for end of the line the A isnt used, but aligning pixels on long boundaries gives benefits Aug 20 18:31:13 lcuk: well, with nvidia card i can only set 24bbp in xorg.conf. but with ati one i can set 32. Aug 20 18:31:23 skyscraper, so the dosbox on maemo sees the keys but the hildon-input-method doesn't ? Aug 20 18:31:27 if thats the case, file a bug Aug 20 18:31:36 with very very specific reproduction Aug 20 18:31:39 MohammadAG: python-numpy I guess Aug 20 18:31:49 * MohammadAG reinstalls Aug 20 18:31:51 lcuk the problem is the hildon keyboard map... Aug 20 18:31:52 brb Aug 20 18:32:00 skyscraper: art of breaking stuff in most mysterious ways is a nokia know-how Aug 20 18:32:16 slonopotamus: :D Aug 20 18:32:39 MohammadAG: apt-cache show python-numpy should be 1.4.0-1maemo2 apparently Aug 20 18:32:47 at least that's what I have and it works Aug 20 18:33:16 lcuk: so, now you see two visually indistinguishable images after fixing your bug? Aug 20 18:35:58 slonopotamus, Aug 20 18:36:01 no i wouldnt Aug 20 18:36:04 can anybody check something for me Aug 20 18:36:08 it would go from smooth full 24bit Aug 20 18:36:13 to the same as the microb image Aug 20 18:36:16 does that modified fmtxd work without modified kernel module Aug 20 18:36:28 i mean, frequency part Aug 20 18:36:33 i mean, wheb screenshotted and seen from X :) Aug 20 18:37:01 slonopotamus, doubt it, the conversion I am doing from yuv to rgb will give differences Aug 20 18:37:27 lcuk: will give differences from what X does? Aug 20 18:38:04 slonopotamus, I am not going to be changing the yuv->rgb code, just ensuring I retain that extra bit of green Aug 20 18:38:07 i have to go anyway Aug 20 18:38:15 btw, why 16bit rgb at all? saving ram/cpu? Aug 20 18:38:25 lcuk: bye Aug 20 18:38:40 go look at the mode that x11 is on Aug 20 18:59:05 timed out? Aug 20 18:59:07 ping Aug 20 18:59:54 hi, anyone here who can help me with the jagged alliance 2 port? Aug 20 19:02:36 when i want to start, it closes... in the terminal is written Opening file failed ; Creating an emergengy savegame failed. ; Please report this error with a description of the circumstances. Aug 20 19:04:09 what can i use on Linux to view all the metadata from fcamera's DNGs? Aug 20 19:08:54 pincy: start with 'strace ' Aug 20 19:09:38 somewhere in last few lines of output you'll find the name of the file that failed to create Aug 20 19:20:14 jacekowski: are you there? Aug 20 19:21:28 anyone with n900 and bluetooth keyboard here? -.- Aug 20 19:21:49 yeh Aug 20 19:22:03 nid0: working? Aug 20 19:22:06 my keyb uses a serial connection so doesnt work with the n900 though Aug 20 19:22:53 maemo doesnt like my numbers on the keyboard ;) Aug 20 19:25:38 always getting "Error loading new keyboard description" when setxkbmap Aug 20 19:28:02 skyscraper: i'm here Aug 20 19:28:28 maybe you know why setxkmap wont work? Aug 20 19:32:39 nope Aug 20 19:32:48 never had to use it Aug 20 19:38:39 posted problem to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=793386&posted=1#post793386 Aug 20 19:43:43 @DocScrutinizer: with what package i can use strace? strace not found in /bin/sh Aug 20 19:46:24 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/strace#Installing_Strace Aug 20 19:46:37 :) Aug 20 19:47:08 install from tools repo using apt-get I'd guess Aug 20 19:50:51 are most developers in here Qt developers? Aug 20 19:51:34 pincy: http://maintenance.maemo.org/packages/view/strace/ Aug 20 19:52:09 yeah, had to add the catalogue.. Aug 20 19:52:19 now ill look for it again :) Aug 20 19:52:34 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/s/strace/strace_4.5.18-1.1+0m5_armel.deb Aug 20 19:52:45 clicking this link should also work Aug 20 19:53:10 but then i would have to shove it to my phone :) Aug 20 19:56:28 WFM iirc. Just clicking the link opens up HAM and installs the .deb from web Aug 20 19:57:18 ight be related to some funny thing called red-pill-mode though Aug 20 19:59:19 clicking link opens icrob, which in turn asks 'store to device or open with HAM?" Aug 20 19:59:35 n9 is looking very must-get :| Aug 20 19:59:47 err Aug 20 20:03:27 ok doc, so i installed it, startet 'strace ja2' Aug 20 20:04:02 and the last line is 'exit group(1) =?' Aug 20 20:05:43 look for file related lines before that Aug 20 20:06:02 skyscraper, might upload it tonight after all Aug 20 20:07:36 the last one with a file is 'unlink("Temp//files.dat") =0' Aug 20 20:08:53 [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/src/testing/gdb_example] > strace -e trace=file ./gdb_example Aug 20 20:09:38 also -f might be necessary Aug 20 20:10:27 all together before the ja2 or shall i type it in its own line? Aug 20 20:12:15 btw i think qemu linux-user emulation has an -strace too in case you do need to test an actual arm executable Aug 20 20:13:15 kk, its closed and now, where do i find the file Aug 20 20:13:17 ? Aug 20 20:13:17 pincy: strace -f -e trace=file ja2 Aug 20 20:16:17 or shall i write the last lines?^^ Aug 20 20:17:56 MohammadAG51: yes very nice msg Aug 20 20:17:59 when tonight? Aug 20 20:18:33 pincy: you'll most probably find a line similar to >>open("/opt/man/de/cat7", O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK|O_LARGEFILE|O_DIRECTORY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Aug 20 20:19:12 yes Aug 20 20:19:19 4 times Aug 20 20:20:21 check the "/opt/man/de/cat7" part, which in your case might point to a file that ja2 fails to create, also the end of the line holds details about the error and reason (why it failed) Aug 20 20:23:20 the problem is with files.dat, finances.dat, email.dat and history.dat Aug 20 20:24:49 but whats the "/opt/man/de/cat7" part? my n900 says not found Aug 20 20:25:19 that's an unrelated example I created from man man command Aug 20 20:26:30 pincy: if you got no clue how to process from strace output to fixing ja2 setup, then probably it's reasonable to pastebin the last ~200 lines of output Aug 20 20:27:08 I'm sure somebody here will happily have a look and tell you what's wrong Aug 20 20:27:20 anyway I'm afk now, good luck Aug 20 20:27:30 thanks so far Aug 20 20:29:30 jagged alliance 2? Aug 20 20:29:32 ;) Aug 20 20:30:28 yes Aug 20 20:35:52 Uh, has someone found out how to save as png in MyPaint? Aug 20 20:38:39 mypaint is just awesome. too bad I'm not good at drawing. If I was an artist I'd be shitting bricks by now. Aug 20 20:42:55 lol... just saw an video with wine on n900 for i386 apps?! Aug 20 20:44:41 and.... whats "bochs"? i've seen it in app-mgr those days... Aug 20 20:45:10 bochs is even slower then plain qemu Aug 20 20:45:14 than Aug 20 20:45:38 i'm just bored... trying out some things :D Aug 20 20:45:48 haha Aug 20 20:46:11 searching for very interesting and useful things for n900 Aug 20 20:47:01 actually qemu was first implemented to run wine on ppc... (linux-user came before system emulation) Aug 20 20:47:20 ^^ Aug 20 20:47:55 ah and i'm searching for an decibell-meter app for n900... Aug 20 20:51:47 how can that be, that when im trying to install the irc client, i get the message of not enough memory....???? the files 112kb and ive got around 250mb free Aug 20 20:53:43 bad colors xD Aug 20 20:55:30 test Aug 20 20:56:35 how to disable all those colors in XChat? Aug 20 20:56:42 cant see anything Aug 20 20:58:47 strace of ja2: ewemail.sti", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Aug 20 21:05:06 anyone can program an simple SPL DB-meter for n900? Aug 20 21:05:50 probably? Aug 20 21:05:55 anyone can do anything. Aug 20 21:06:00 -.- Aug 20 21:06:04 i CANT do that Aug 20 21:06:23 i CAN do that for windows with pascal xD... but not for n900 with c++ (qt) Aug 20 21:07:37 you don't have to do qt Aug 20 21:08:07 you could even do a spl meter with awk + zenity Aug 20 21:08:18 qt is easier than plain c++? Aug 20 21:08:31 awk+zenity?? Aug 20 21:08:55 zenity is a trivial program to show dialogs from scripts. Aug 20 21:09:03 awk is a simple scripting language. Aug 20 21:09:21 <3 awk Aug 20 21:10:02 dont know how Aug 20 21:10:31 could also use something like python or perl with zenity or whatever. Aug 20 21:11:35 Qt is easier than C++ IMO Aug 20 21:11:45 but only in some cases Aug 20 21:11:56 the right tool for the job, really Aug 20 21:12:20 hm Aug 20 21:12:47 the most complex part of doing a spl meter is getting data from the microphone, it would seem Aug 20 21:13:02 in a meaningful way Aug 20 21:18:31 hm Aug 20 21:19:00 its hard for me in pascal... so i CANT do it in c++ Aug 20 21:21:15 skyscraper: oh grow up Aug 20 21:21:55 ? Aug 20 21:21:58 My device is giving 'SIM registration failed' at somewhat random intervals. Aug 20 21:22:10 skyscraper: step 1: read documentation on how to use the mic, step 2: write trivial application in python. Use this tutorial as a starting point: http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/firstprograms/ Aug 20 21:22:14 Cleaning the SIM and adding a paper shim behind the holder has not worked. Aug 20 21:22:20 Does anyone have any thoughts? Aug 20 21:22:26 SpeedEvil, restarting usually fixes it. Aug 20 21:22:29 At least here Aug 20 21:22:44 yeah Aug 20 21:22:47 [SpeedEvil]: Mine too, my SIM card is pretty weared though, it's probably 4 / 5 years old Aug 20 21:22:50 SpeedEvil: having same problem sometimes Aug 20 21:22:53 wore out* Aug 20 21:23:11 doesn't really help if I miss calls as my cell functrionality died Aug 20 21:23:31 SpeedEvil: maybe get a new sim from your provider? Aug 20 21:24:10 on your side i would go to an office of my operator and make them as long probs till they give a new simcard Aug 20 21:24:43 for them its no thing to give u a card and bind it to your njumber Aug 20 21:25:16 night all Aug 20 21:25:33 maybe Aug 20 21:26:37 * SpeedEvil wanders round his providers website. Aug 20 21:28:38 SpeedEvil, are you talking about the n900? Aug 20 21:29:05 do you randomly get the "no-sim" icon in the status area? Aug 20 21:31:06 is there now the possibility to dump wlan with n900? Aug 20 21:31:59 'dump wlan'? Aug 20 21:32:12 airodump-ng Aug 20 21:32:37 I once got the "no sim" icon when it was just the operator fucking up Aug 20 21:32:51 and it went away without rebooting or reseating sim :/ Aug 20 21:33:14 airodump works Aug 20 21:33:14 yes TomaszD Aug 20 21:33:15 injection doesn't, yet Aug 20 21:33:42 airodump yes aireplay no? Aug 20 21:34:02 skyscraper: yup Aug 20 21:34:08 SpeedEvil, yeah, your cellmo is dying Aug 20 21:34:20 http://406notacceptable.com/guides/aircrack-on-the-n900/ how did he do it? Aug 20 21:34:53 try with another sim card SpeedEvil, but in a few days that nosim icon will be permanent Aug 20 21:35:34 been doing it for a month or two Aug 20 21:35:42 oh Aug 20 21:35:46 then that's different Aug 20 21:35:49 Same here since September. Aug 20 21:35:51 isnt aircrack in extras-devel nowadays? (you need power kernel tho afaik) Aug 20 21:35:52 have you had that happen to you? Aug 20 21:36:01 Not dead yet. Aug 20 21:36:20 I've had my maemo summit device Aug 20 21:36:30 's cellmo die on me during the summit Aug 20 21:36:48 with exactly the same symptoms Aug 20 21:37:27 hey guys I have a question. I had to send my N900 in for warranty repair, and I got it back a couple of days ago. They wiped everything on it and did a fresh install. I used to be able to run commands with the "sudo" command like "sudo reboot" stuff like that. I can no longer do it, it asks me for a password. I cannot remember for the life of me how to get rid of that password prompt Aug 20 21:37:34 sent it back to Finland, got a replacement Aug 20 21:37:47 lol http://www.neopwn.com/store.php Aug 20 21:38:02 Dantonic: rootsh Aug 20 21:38:09 Dantonic, install rootsh package Aug 20 21:38:11 SpeedEvil, rootsh lets me do sudo gainroot Aug 20 21:38:18 right? Aug 20 21:38:23 not sudo command Aug 20 21:38:26 you just type droot Aug 20 21:38:28 yes, or just "root" Aug 20 21:38:30 and you're root Aug 20 21:39:30 SpeedEvil, TomaszD but is there a way to enable the sudo command? at this point I'm just curious.... "root" is a lot better than "sudo gainroot" Aug 20 21:40:19 well... you have to edit the sudoers file, but in order to do that you have to be root Aug 20 21:40:38 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=45472&page=31 ^^ Aug 20 21:41:03 Dantonic: install rootsh package Aug 20 21:41:09 TomaszD, I never did that in the beginning I'm curious to understand how I was able to run "sudo command" before they flashed the device... Aug 20 21:41:19 SpeedEvil, I have it installed Aug 20 21:41:26 "root" works Aug 20 21:41:40 There are still bugs though. Aug 20 21:41:43 Nokia-N900-02-8:~$ sudo make me a sandwitch Aug 20 21:41:43 make: *** No rule to make target `me'. Stop. Aug 20 21:42:00 haha Aug 20 21:42:00 lol Aug 20 21:42:43 Dantonic, rootsh enabled sudo for you Aug 20 21:42:52 but sudo gainroot is deprecated Aug 20 21:42:55 just use root Aug 20 21:43:20 TomaszD, yes, I'm just saying the ability to just type "sudo" and a command after it right from the terminal Aug 20 21:43:23 like you can do under ubuntu Aug 20 21:43:25 for example Aug 20 21:43:42 I used to reboot my tablet all the time just typing "sudo reboot" Aug 20 21:44:20 without "rooting" it first Aug 20 21:44:25 you don't need 'sudo' on a system with real root Aug 20 21:44:46 $ sudo reboot Aug 20 21:44:46 + [ x6 = x-t ] Aug 20 21:44:46 + touch /tmp/reboot Aug 20 21:44:47 su -c 'command here' for example Aug 20 21:44:47 ... Aug 20 21:44:49 It works Aug 20 21:44:54 jusrt intall rootsh Aug 20 21:45:09 sudo as root in n900 doesnt work Aug 20 21:45:19 you had to have it "rooted" first, as sudo is disabled by default Aug 20 21:45:46 SpeedEvil, rootsh is installed and it does not work for me. Aug 20 21:45:52 it asks me for a password Aug 20 21:46:13 isn't the password "rootme" ? Aug 20 21:46:17 hey all, i have a strange problem on my N810! on my normal OS (on the memory card) the battary gauge does not show the correct charge (does not animate when charging). but in my backed up one in the internal memory card it works fine Aug 20 21:46:23 r&d helps ;p Aug 20 21:46:23 did anyone come across this? Aug 20 21:47:08 skyscraper, u think maybe I used to have R&D mode enabled before? Aug 20 21:47:15 nooo Aug 20 21:47:15 that's why it worked that way without password request? Aug 20 21:47:27 that might explain why the battery life is sooo much better now Aug 20 21:47:28 :P Aug 20 21:47:31 works without r&d ;) Aug 20 21:47:44 can someone please help me? its urgent for me to locate and fix this problem! Aug 20 21:49:04 is there a place where i can get help with the ja2 port? Aug 20 21:49:34 man what is this password that it asks for it's not "rootme Aug 20 21:49:36 " Aug 20 21:49:53 I set a password when I installed the SSH client/server but that doesn't work either Aug 20 21:50:01 I think that's just a user password tho right? Aug 20 21:51:35 and I can't even SSH into the tablet Aug 20 21:51:39 the password I set does not work Aug 20 21:52:41 can you ping it? Aug 20 21:53:19 i had this problem only one time, i restarted terminal, and tried again "sudo gainroot" then it worked Aug 20 21:53:36 I do ssh@ip and it prompts me to add RSA to list etc... then it asks for password Aug 20 21:53:39 but pass doesnt work Aug 20 21:53:53 err ssh user@ip Aug 20 21:54:23 might anyone know how the battery status works in the N810? something is making it show wrong readings on mine, while an older os i have installed works fine Aug 20 21:55:02 guysoft22, maybe try asking in the forums u might have better luck if you can't get an answer here.... Aug 20 21:55:34 Dantonic, im flying to india in two days, just found it out now.. and i been searching with no mention of something like this Aug 20 21:55:50 guysoft22, have you tried installing one of the other apps that do battery monitoring? maybe that will work Aug 20 21:56:16 Dantonic, i just installed advanced power thing testing it while posting here Aug 20 21:56:24 ya I use that on my N800 Aug 20 21:58:14 Dantonic, ok, the good news is it shows when it charges, which is an improvement.. i guess ill see if it shows fully charge tomorrow morning Aug 20 22:01:04 ok guysoft22 another option could be just making a backup of your settings and apps, and flashing the device... see if that works. Maybe your battery is starting to go bad as well. I am not an expert all here just so u know. Aug 20 22:01:29 Dantonic, i dont have time for that, its a problem :-/ Aug 20 22:03:38 hello maemoers \o Aug 20 22:04:05 if someone here is touch with the problems the jagged alliance 2 port causes pls help me in the thread Aug 20 22:05:19 Is there a standard "This program is loading" app that tells the user to wait until the app actually appears? PyQt apps can take 15-20 seconds to load. Aug 20 22:05:55 spinningcompass, an application can configure a fake cover screen Aug 20 22:06:04 ok SpeedEvil, TomaszD, skyscraper I am a little dumb.. I was trying to ssh into user, but I kept chaing the password for root... so as root I did a passwd user and changed the password. now I can ssh into the N900... however now when I try to run a "sudo command" I get the message "Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute '/sbin/reboot' as root on Nokia-N900" Aug 20 22:06:41 now it doesnt even ask me for the password Aug 20 22:06:43 it just says that Aug 20 22:06:53 Dantonic: borked sudoers ? Aug 20 22:07:03 zash idk I didn't touch it Aug 20 22:07:14 Dantonic, are you trying to "sudo /sbin/reboot" Aug 20 22:07:44 well lcuk... I jsut got my N900 back from repair, the flashed it. I used to be able to run sudo commands like "sudo reboot"... now I can't do it anymore Aug 20 22:07:49 with rootsh I can do root Aug 20 22:07:54 but not with just a straight sudo command Aug 20 22:08:03 it was asking me for a password when I would try Aug 20 22:08:17 I had installed the ssh server/client Aug 20 22:08:22 and set a password for the server Aug 20 22:08:46 honestly I'm not sure what I'm doing lcuk Aug 20 22:08:49 :P Aug 20 22:09:07 sounds reasonable, I dont think I have ever tried to sudo from user Aug 20 22:09:24 id say you need to add an entry for reboot to sudoers, heres a manpage: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=sudoers&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+8.1-RELEASE+and+Ports&format=html Aug 20 22:09:29 used to work for me since I bought the thing... that's how I would always reboot my device "sudo reboot" Aug 20 22:09:31 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10307 GAN900 Aug 20 22:09:32 Bug 10307: Unregistered SIM error Aug 20 22:10:18 nox-, nahhh adding an entry into sudoers is different Aug 20 22:10:32 nox-, ya but that's not the point... I used to always be able to run commands like that... like when wanting to edit a file: "sudo leafpad file.txt" Aug 20 22:10:32 at least for a specific call like that Aug 20 22:10:41 or "sudo apt-get install package" Aug 20 22:10:45 without having to root first Aug 20 22:10:57 just wondering why I cannot do it anymore Aug 20 22:11:16 oh well then you want to allow sudo globally like on ubuntu... Aug 20 22:11:19 Dantonic, you are missing sudser Aug 20 22:11:20 http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access Aug 20 22:11:32 I thought sudser was no longer available for N900 Aug 20 22:11:37 is it available? Aug 20 22:11:37 idk Aug 20 22:11:43 that's what that link says Aug 20 22:11:45 but that does what you are after Aug 20 22:11:47 and I cannot find it in the repositories Aug 20 22:11:49 perhaps you have had it from start Aug 20 22:12:04 and now I don't :( Aug 20 22:12:08 :*( Aug 20 22:12:19 how sad Aug 20 22:12:32 It is not currently available for Fremantle (i.e. N900). Aug 20 22:12:58 rootsh works well enough Aug 20 22:13:27 oh wow i didnt know about /etc/sudoers.d ... thats even different again then o_O Aug 20 22:14:29 So my firefox mobile randomly stopped loading today on my n900. Anyone know the command to launch it from cli so I can see what is wrong? Aug 20 22:14:29 So my firefox mobile randomly stopped loading today on my n900. Anyone know the command to launch it from cli so I can see what is wrong? Aug 20 22:14:34 * nox- so far only edited sudoers on non-n900 :P Aug 20 22:14:39 Dantonic, its on diable and chinook repositories Aug 20 22:14:53 if it installs happily for you Aug 20 22:15:07 perhaps you could follow it up and push to fremantle for everyone Aug 20 22:15:36 what if I wanted to run a command from an applet or something that needs that sudo how could I do it then? Aug 20 22:15:44 lcuk I have no idea how to do that Aug 20 22:17:10 ok Dantonic I can point you to the repository but since its for the old OS and its not been pushed to fremantle theres no confidence it will work and it might bork your system etc Aug 20 22:17:29 lcuk that's ok thanks for trying but I don't want to risk that Aug 20 22:17:34 * lcuk nods Aug 20 22:17:45 I just got it back from repair because it was "borked" Aug 20 22:17:51 yeah thought as much Aug 20 22:17:54 theres an ff version in ovi store too Aug 20 22:18:07 * lcuk will test it Aug 20 22:18:09 (or is that one outdated as well?) Aug 20 22:18:29 I just don't get how I could do it before.... heh what a mystery! Aug 20 22:19:44 * lcuk just installed sudser and from x-terminal did "sudo reboot" Aug 20 22:19:49 which before would not let me Aug 20 22:19:51 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/chinook/free/s/sudser/sudser_0.2.0-2_all.deb Aug 20 22:20:02 Dantonic: you want Aug 20 22:20:04 * lcuk ponders how to submit now to fremantle Aug 20 22:20:09 Dantonic: queen-beecon Aug 20 22:21:38 lcuk who knows maybe I installed that back in the day... and can't remember hehehe Aug 20 22:24:06 Has anyone installed syslogd Aug 20 22:24:10 I've installed it. Aug 20 22:24:25 On inspection of the syslog it says it's logging to /home/user/var/log/syslogd Aug 20 22:24:28 but it's not Aug 20 22:25:56 hmm Aug 20 22:26:15 Killing it manually and restarting makes it do the right thing. Aug 20 22:26:18 * SpeedEvil is confused. Aug 20 22:26:58 lcuk: I always thought *#-enabler would be the most minimal 'pkg* possible. But sudser? c'mon Aug 20 22:27:42 SpeedEvil: probably it's started too early? Aug 20 22:28:22 SpeedEvil: btw killing isn't necessary, think kill -SIGxxx rereads the config, should suffice Aug 20 22:28:28 Dantonic, potentially, as SpeedEvil says queenbeecon gives lots of nice features, try than Aug 20 22:29:52 looks complicated Aug 20 22:30:00 I'll have to read the wiki for it Aug 20 22:30:27 but in the meanwhile u should work on sudser!! :) Aug 20 22:31:22 Dantonic: man sudoers; Aug 20 22:32:35 Dantonic, I have no personal need for it Aug 20 22:32:41 I just ssh root@localhost Aug 20 22:32:48 whenever I need anything Aug 20 22:33:04 I am happy to leave sudo as it stands Aug 20 22:33:29 man visudo Aug 20 22:33:39 is it already in maemo? Aug 20 22:33:47 ie keeping it simple :P Aug 20 22:34:02 queen beecon is :3 Aug 20 22:34:12 still haven't found a use for it, but meh Aug 20 22:38:08 Dantonic, I am sending a mail to its maintainer :) its a long shot but might be ok Aug 20 22:38:25 cool Aug 20 22:43:09 Dantonic, can you PM me your mail address please and I will cc you into the mail Aug 20 22:43:18 and you can poke me in a while if nothing happens ;) Aug 20 22:46:12 ok Dantonic you have the mail now I hope, I *will* forget about this, so since you are eager to have its functionality you can poke me Aug 20 22:46:27 ok ty Aug 20 22:47:18 . Aug 20 22:47:25 ~ping Aug 20 22:47:26 ~pong Aug 20 22:47:29 ok Aug 20 22:47:50 Dantonic: root; echo -e "Defaults targetpw\nuser ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" >/etc/sudoers.d/dantonic_special Aug 20 22:48:38 Dantonic: root; echo "user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL" >/etc/sudoers.d/dantonic_special Aug 20 22:48:41 even Aug 20 22:48:46 and DocScrutinizer having that as a package is 100000000% better Aug 20 22:49:00 because in 6 months time when he reinstalls he could just restore a backup and get it back Aug 20 22:49:02 * DocScrutinizer cackles Aug 20 22:49:05 with your method he iwll forget Aug 20 22:49:20 DocScrutinizer: s/dantonic_special/massive_security_hole/ Aug 20 22:49:25 * lcuk2 loves the fact we *can* do scripts like that Aug 20 22:49:33 but hate to see them relied on by others Aug 20 22:49:34 kerio: exactly my point Aug 20 22:49:48 kerio: roots is as well Aug 20 22:49:51 kerio, yeah just like ubuntu as i said :) Aug 20 22:49:55 rootsh Aug 20 22:49:59 DocScrutinizer, really? Aug 20 22:50:06 ty DocScrutinizer I wrote that down... gtg now ttyl everyone Aug 20 22:50:11 if you give user the physical device anyway its game over Aug 20 22:50:23 yep Aug 20 22:50:27 yeah rootsh also doesnt ask for pw Aug 20 22:50:52 but giving malware uncontrolled access to root via a compromised user account is a different thing Aug 20 22:51:01 lcuk2: ^^^ Aug 20 22:51:09 nox-: ubuntu asks for a password Aug 20 22:51:19 mm ok Aug 20 22:51:29 i still don't get why passwording the user account results in a bootloop Aug 20 22:51:32 so how to implement the ubuntu like Aug 20 22:51:34 i mean, i can figure why Aug 20 22:51:34 is there any malware trojan etc for n900 already? Aug 20 22:51:39 but COME ON, it's ridiculous Aug 20 22:51:40 kerio: root; echo -e "Defaults targetpw\nuser ALL = (ALL) ALL" >/etc/sudoers.d/dantonic_special Aug 20 22:51:40 ask once in 5mins approach Aug 20 22:51:42 you should allow for it Aug 20 22:51:45 skyscraper: maybe ;) Aug 20 22:52:02 lcuk2: ^^^ Aug 20 22:52:16 pointing to some mystic runes does not explain Aug 20 22:52:36 kerio: root; echo -e "Defaults targetpw\nuser ALL = (ALL) PASSWD: ALL" >/etc/sudoers.d/dantonic_special; #if you like it explicit Aug 20 22:52:41 is the functionality already built in? Aug 20 22:52:47 but just needs enabling with that incantation? Aug 20 22:53:01 hm Aug 20 22:53:08 lcuk2: huh? Aug 20 22:53:17 DocScrutinizer: you also need to run update-sudoers Aug 20 22:53:19 ok fine I admit it Aug 20 22:53:27 anyone knows anything about "advanced power monitor" Aug 20 22:53:29 ubuntu asks for root password if you havent entered it in last ~5minutes Aug 20 22:53:30 ? Aug 20 22:53:33 anyone who's updated their extras in the last month is now streaming me live webcam video and GPS coords Aug 20 22:53:38 duh? wtf is update-sudoers? Aug 20 22:53:47 aah, yep Aug 20 22:53:55 lol Aug 20 22:54:17 seems some noob didn't realize man sudoers Aug 20 22:54:54 The #includedir directive can be used to create a sudo.d directory that the system package manager can drop Aug 20 22:54:55 sudoers rules into as part of package installation. For example, given: Aug 20 22:54:57 #includedir /etc/sudoers.d Aug 20 22:55:41 "advanced power monitor" from extras does nothing, only cpu 100%.... why? Aug 20 22:55:43 tbh the config of sudo is on par with everything else on maemo :-S Aug 20 22:55:49 like e.g Aug 20 22:55:54 ~optification Aug 20 22:55:55 well, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs Aug 20 22:58:43 lcuk2: was that about runes and "is it implemented" to me? Aug 20 22:59:03 nm Aug 20 22:59:13 DocScrutinizer: ssssh, don't spoil the fun Aug 20 22:59:19 * lcuk2 is wandering off for a shower Aug 20 23:01:00 * DocScrutinizer as well :-D Aug 20 23:02:09 * DocScrutinizer just points to concept of %wheel for a last rant, prior to shower Aug 20 23:02:32 * mortini removes DocScrutinizer from wheel Aug 20 23:05:27 * skyscraper goes to bed - gn8 Aug 20 23:05:37 gn8 skyscraper Aug 20 23:21:40 * DocScrutinizer stares at /usr/sbin/update-sudoers, scratches head and wonders how's that gonna be smarter than #includedir /etc/sudoers.d Aug 20 23:34:16 hi Aug 20 23:34:27 any nitdriod experts here? i cant get usb working :( Aug 20 23:42:32 Mrlehey: #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help will probably be more useful Aug 20 23:44:25 thanks crashanddie Aug 20 23:50:06 nitdroid has usb host working? :o Aug 20 23:52:28 how can i use the usbhost app? is there anywhere an adapter to buy? Aug 20 23:57:52 usb host still doesn't work Aug 20 23:58:05 and yeah, you'll need an adaptor Aug 20 23:58:19 female usb A - female usb A Aug 20 23:58:30 connect standard cable, plug adapter Aug 20 23:58:34 ??? Aug 20 23:58:35 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host Aug 20 23:58:38 usb port! Aug 20 23:58:39 It does not yet work Aug 21 00:00:20 SpeedEvil: how would the autodetect of a usb device work? Aug 21 00:00:26 i mean in theory Aug 21 00:00:33 without the hardware otg support Aug 21 00:00:52 a button in the power menu that switches between device mode and host mode? Aug 21 00:02:10 (also, what happens when two on-the-go devices connect togheter?) Aug 21 00:06:53 kerio: only one end of an OTG cable is configured as Host Aug 21 00:07:09 luke-jr: oh, you need a particular cable? Aug 21 00:07:10 wtf Aug 21 00:07:29 …yes Aug 21 00:08:09 usb host mode ftfw then Aug 21 00:08:27 kerio: USB always has a Host end and a Device end… Aug 21 00:08:36 OTG cables are no different in this regard Aug 21 00:09:05 luke-jr: female-to-female adaptors do exist Aug 21 00:09:16 i just assumed you could use one of those to use OTG Aug 21 00:09:29 micro-A end with ID pin grounded (host side) <-> micro-B end (device) Aug 21 00:12:34 how bad is it to be hitting on my bank manager? Aug 21 00:12:59 crashanddie: what are you using to hit? Aug 21 00:13:05 it depends Aug 21 00:13:11 if it's sharp or heavy, it's bad Aug 21 00:13:25 crashanddie: she just wants your money. Aug 21 00:13:36 or he. Aug 21 00:13:42 actually, I'm thinking she wants more than just that Aug 21 00:13:55 unlike most people, though, she already knows you have it. Aug 21 00:14:20 she wants your long and hard... loan Aug 21 00:14:41 i went to open an bank account somewhere. the lady was so-so, and after they opened the account, they ran whatever and she all of a sudden was really flirty and nice with me. Aug 21 00:14:43 also post pics Aug 21 00:14:58 both of you Aug 21 00:15:22 kerio: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro-USB#USB-Stecker_und_-Kabel 3rd table Aug 21 00:15:24 kerio: well, I basically emailed her to try and buy her lunch tomorrow Aug 21 00:15:57 DocScrutinizer: not that kind of pics Aug 21 00:15:57 crashanddie: good luck, man Aug 21 00:16:00 ._. Aug 21 00:16:03 I called her earlier today, and saw her as I had to swing by real quick, but well... Aug 21 00:16:11 mortini: thing is... I have a girlfriend Aug 21 00:16:15 oh, well. Aug 21 00:16:36 so, uhm, nevermind. crashanddie :P Aug 21 00:16:51 crashanddie: you're a bad person Aug 21 00:16:53 I'm trying to figure out whether what I'm doing is cheating or not Aug 21 00:16:54 srsly Aug 21 00:17:05 cuz, nothing happened, and nothing explicit has been said Aug 21 00:17:15 it's not like I'm meeting up in a dodgy hotel for a 30 minute sex session Aug 21 00:17:15 dies is a bit extreme, but it was tabbed. Aug 21 00:17:54 crashanddie: are you happy with your girlfriend? Aug 21 00:18:07 well, yeah, but I don't see it going anywhere Aug 21 00:18:10 then wtf are you doing Aug 21 00:18:19 kerio: http://timconrad.org/download/attachments/589939/DSCI0028.JPG <- a picture Aug 21 00:18:36 that's a nice pic Aug 21 00:18:39 the gf is a student, no idea what she wants in life, fucked up family, easily offended and very insecure Aug 21 00:18:55 so you're not happy with her Aug 21 00:19:07 well, I like her Aug 21 00:19:13 so you are happy Aug 21 00:19:18 I dunno Aug 21 00:20:16 this one is a bank manager at age 28, has the most beautiful eyes I've seen in a long time, definitely knows what she wants and where she's headed, shares a shitload of hobbies with me, isn't quite as insecure, and seems to have a normal family Aug 21 00:20:39 it's up to you, really Aug 21 00:21:01 just don't try this thing with the bank manager before clearing up things with your current gf Aug 21 00:21:11 it's being an asshole Aug 21 00:21:17 thing is... my gf is my sister's flatmate, and my mum's kind of adopted her Aug 21 00:21:21 nha mate, I'm not such a dick Aug 21 00:22:12 I want to see her again, see if she was just flirting with me so I would sign up for the credit card while eyeing her cleavage or if she's really interested Aug 21 00:22:30 boobies! Aug 21 00:22:39 and beautiful at that Aug 21 02:46:18 hi Aug 21 02:47:21 ohai. Aug 21 02:47:29 MohammadAG51 no new ubuntu upload this night anymore? Aug 21 02:50:26 hm nothing new on the space ;( Aug 21 02:50:37 hm. i go to bed.... byebye Aug 21 02:50:48 ta Aug 21 02:52:07 nihao Aug 21 02:53:14 maybe nothing new, but a nice ISS flyby at -3.5 magnitude Aug 21 02:54:19 and N900 comes in handy to watch http://esa.heavens-above.com/ Aug 21 02:56:11 * DocScrutinizer wonders if the've seen the green "ground control to major tom" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 21 02:59:57 2010