**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 22 02:59:58 2010 Aug 22 03:43:58 http://www.flickr.com/photos/52549449@N05/4915160604/ thoughts? Aug 22 03:47:55 has anyone gotten imhere to actually work? Aug 22 03:48:11 It'd be really nice to have. But so far all I've gotten it to do is segfault. Aug 22 03:48:50 some source code would be best of all! Aug 22 03:49:21 what is it? Aug 22 03:49:36 cellphone tracking system Aug 22 03:49:45 you send your cellphone an SMS and it replies with GPS coords Aug 22 03:49:58 O.o Aug 22 03:50:09 I'd rather just have it constantly updating my server <.< Aug 22 03:51:39 yeah, that's what I'm looking at right now Aug 22 03:51:48 hacking together some kind of python script that updates my server Aug 22 03:52:00 on the other hand, GPS eats battery Aug 22 03:52:19 yeah, I was thinking have a flag on my server which my N900 polls. Aug 22 03:52:54 polling probably would use more power <.< Aug 22 03:53:22 Yeah, but I charge it every night anyway Aug 22 03:53:26 lol Aug 22 03:53:32 as if it can go a full day w/o charging Aug 22 03:53:50 mine certainly can Aug 22 03:54:15 not if you do GPS or polling constantly for sure Aug 22 03:54:53 oh, no. Not GPS. But server polling, perhaps. Aug 22 03:54:58 Or maybe SMS-triggered. Aug 22 03:55:10 Is it possible to intercept SMSes without the UI noticing them? Aug 22 03:55:21 So that, if it matches a string, it won't be passed on to the UI? Aug 22 03:56:33 segfault. Again. Aug 22 03:56:48 Argh. Why didn't you publish the source before disappearing! Aug 22 03:58:26 btw, does anyone know of a way to "fake" SMSes so that I can debug without breaking the bank? :) Aug 22 03:58:58 ah, here's something Aug 22 04:09:00 hm, no Aug 22 04:13:11 might be fun to do it as a telepathy script Aug 22 04:13:54 would have to be a telepathy script I think Aug 22 04:14:04 why not just setup a private XMPP account for it? Aug 22 04:14:20 exactly Aug 22 04:16:51 Anyway. Aug 22 04:16:57 it's 6:15 - AM. Aug 22 04:17:05 I really made this work day longer than normal, huh. Aug 22 05:24:50 toresbe: the joy of closed source apps and API designs tailored to fit those closed source apps' usecases in a maximum restrictive way :-/ Aug 22 05:45:04 hmm, on the n900 is there a way to be root before installing the gainroot package? Aug 22 05:49:29 you can enable r&d mode Aug 22 05:49:40 or install openssh server package Aug 22 05:50:59 thanks, guess i'll try the r&d mode then. Aug 22 05:52:43 what do you intend to do anyway? Aug 22 05:53:55 trying to fix my uncle's n900, seems he's getting this problem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59174 Aug 22 05:54:23 n900-locales-ppchinese has a typo in package control file Aug 22 05:54:31 so not able to install anything. Aug 22 05:55:17 post number #9 on that page in face. Aug 22 05:59:29 so whats wrong with gainroot package? heh Aug 22 06:01:03 it's gone into the "can't install anything" state... Aug 22 06:02:00 yeah its an issue with the dpkg, the fix below that post #9 might help Aug 22 06:02:01 is there a way to see the current status of the n900 battery while it's charging? Aug 22 06:02:45 psycho_oreos: but sudo is asking me for password Aug 22 06:02:50 maybe with modprobing of the bq thingy Aug 22 06:03:22 this is neat, skype is now crashing my phone :| Aug 22 06:03:33 pigeon, yes because you're not normally allowed to gain root.. if you installed gainroot package and then do sudo gainroot it should work Aug 22 06:03:46 ha, how does skype crash? Aug 22 06:03:51 hence post #11 and post #12 in fact. Aug 22 06:03:57 it crashed so hard, the phone went off Aug 22 06:04:03 it didnt do this last night :| Aug 22 06:04:17 well, r&d mode for now that is... Aug 22 06:05:08 did it crash or did the battery die ;) Aug 22 06:05:16 considing the phone is plugged in Aug 22 06:05:20 i'd say it crashed Aug 22 06:05:41 O.o when i try to open the conversations app, that crashes Aug 22 06:06:56 Hi ! http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/vectormine/1.1.0-4/<<< need your votes Aug 22 06:07:22 pigeon, ssh ? Aug 22 06:07:40 haven't got that installed yet either. Aug 22 06:07:57 woah this is weird, i can't open the Converstions app Aug 22 06:08:07 pigeon what s the application manager logs said ? Aug 22 06:09:12 Khertan: the same error with n900-locales-ppchinese as in: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=771006&postcount=9 Aug 22 06:09:28 can't install or uninstall anything basically. Aug 22 06:10:24 yep ... :) Aug 22 06:10:27 i just switched to r&d mode now, should be able to fix it. Aug 22 06:10:43 you can fix it easily by apt-get purge Aug 22 06:10:48 you can fix it easily by apt-get update Aug 22 06:10:55 and remove the broken package Aug 22 06:11:09 but ... yep ... without root ... Aug 22 06:11:36 Application Manager didn't provide the necessary tool to fix problem if one problem happen Aug 22 06:12:22 hehe, this was unexpected... Aug 22 06:12:28 suspended to ram last night Aug 22 06:12:56 this morning, 23.41pm Aug 22 06:13:03 :| Aug 22 06:13:21 when i try to open up the Converstaions app, it just crashes 'Internal error applicatoin 'Converations' closed' Aug 22 06:13:41 i'll blame whoever made the mistake in n900-locales-ppchinese ;) Aug 22 06:13:45 is it because my internal battery is crap? Aug 22 06:14:02 damn chinese people... ;) Aug 22 06:14:07 (i am chinese :) Aug 22 06:14:53 i'd just move to england/the us and claim to be english Aug 22 06:16:27 technically i'm australian anyway... Aug 22 06:17:27 suspend to ram = bad Aug 22 06:17:29 :( Aug 22 06:17:53 i bet *that* is why nokia doesn't use it Aug 22 06:23:37 done and done... fixed... Aug 22 06:24:06 DocScrutinizer: does nokia know of the crappy internal batteries? Aug 22 06:25:36 kerio: I don't know if they know Aug 22 06:28:17 pigeon: nihao Aug 22 06:28:33 DocScrutinizer: g'day ;) Aug 22 06:30:04 is there a way to delete text messages via command line? Aug 22 06:31:30 because the conversation app keeps crashing Aug 22 06:34:40 hihi Aug 22 06:39:05 pronto: messages/im logs are stored in a database in .rtcom-eventlogger/, you can delete things using sqlite3 Aug 22 06:49:58 oh yay i fixed the crashing of conversatoins Aug 22 06:50:01 im not even using software Aug 22 06:50:44 yet skype still crashes :/ Aug 22 06:55:15 try to evade the chaos? Aug 22 06:56:18 was that directed at me? Aug 22 06:58:06 i can't find any usage help for savedepz Aug 22 06:59:56 sorry lol Aug 22 07:00:09 hmmm, another usefull tool https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/armel/dpkg-repack/1.32 Aug 22 07:00:10 i feel terrible but im just easily distracted Aug 22 07:00:24 was -just- there man Aug 22 07:00:27 how lol Aug 22 07:01:04 right now im running a umpc as well Aug 22 07:06:29 * kirma observes how the quality tmo commentators are capable of spinning N9 leak follow-ups way beyond the quality of engadget discussion (and not in a positive sense) Aug 22 07:06:50 troll.maemo.org Aug 22 07:18:41 you people Aug 22 07:23:35 DocScrutinizer: suspending to ram with *these* batteries is impossible Aug 22 07:23:52 err? Aug 22 07:24:10 i woke up this morning and it was 23pm Aug 22 07:24:14 :D Aug 22 07:24:38 the internal ones Aug 22 07:25:00 umm, and how's that related to backup battery? Aug 22 07:25:14 the rtc? Aug 22 07:25:37 offline mode, suspended to ram, internal clock stopped ticking Aug 22 07:25:54 the RTC runs off main battery as long as there's any with more than 2V Aug 22 07:26:02 oh, then... wtf? Aug 22 07:26:09 \_o_/ Aug 22 07:26:37 `date` reported 23pm Aug 22 07:27:16 kerio: suspend to ram obviously stops system clock, a 'hwclock' will show you the RTC is still correct Aug 22 07:27:31 oh, i see Aug 22 07:27:35 * kerio is a noob Aug 22 07:27:57 we need a script for the suspend that also syncs back the time Aug 22 07:28:40 exactly, if you want to put susp2ram to purpose, you need to cope with such things Aug 22 07:29:35 we'd first need a way to tell the phone not to bug the system with waking-up signals on signal change Aug 22 07:30:05 yep Aug 22 07:30:27 is there a way? Aug 22 07:33:53 jacekowski: is there a way? you're the rapuyama h4xx0r Aug 22 07:35:34 timeless: sometimes some buttons in the microb toolbar are missing... wtf? Aug 22 07:38:50 Morning, all Aug 22 07:41:12 morn jaffa Aug 22 07:41:33 kerio: some of them or the entire toolbar? Aug 22 07:41:44 we know there's a way to end up w/o a toolbar Aug 22 07:41:52 but i haven't seen a bug for missing buttons Aug 22 07:42:05 (please file w/ picture, preferably w/ steps) Aug 22 07:43:13 is there a way to see the current status of the n900 battery while it's charging? Aug 22 07:45:51 ooh, goody, my account will expire just as i start my vacation Aug 22 07:47:38 how to install dpkg-dev on n900? Aug 22 07:48:41 i dont know how to add this repository http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/ Aug 22 07:49:16 yello Aug 22 07:52:51 next step will be retweet, search storage, and optimization Aug 22 07:52:55 oups wrong window Aug 22 07:52:57 :) Aug 22 07:54:38 ilius, dpkg-dev Aug 22 07:55:08 ouch ... it ll require that you replace the busybox tar too Aug 22 07:55:23 as it didn't understand some options use by dpkg Aug 22 07:55:49 Khertan: ? Aug 22 07:56:23 anyone know how to use savedepz? Aug 22 07:57:30 ah sorry ... i think you are trying to package apps on device :) Aug 22 07:57:55 i want to make packages from installed apps Aug 22 07:57:57 nope sorry never use it Aug 22 07:58:08 ilius, what a strange idea Aug 22 07:58:18 why not download them from repository ? Aug 22 07:58:21 way of doing what? Aug 22 07:58:26 like dpkg-repack in desktop Aug 22 07:58:43 Khertan: yes, after flashing Aug 22 07:58:58 DocScrutinizer51: isn't it that rtc runs of small backup battery as long as it's working? Aug 22 07:59:00 Khertan: to save time Aug 22 07:59:20 it s seems you are losing more trying to use savedepz :) Aug 22 07:59:41 "savedepz --help" gives nothing Aug 22 07:59:52 and there is no "man" command Aug 22 08:00:02 and google gives no result Aug 22 08:00:08 :-/ Aug 22 08:02:55 ~seen dneary Aug 22 08:02:56 dneary <~dneary@Maemo/community/docmaster/dneary> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 32d 21h 20m ago, saying: 'esac'. Aug 22 08:04:15 Ah, "last week in August" Aug 22 08:05:01 that's the first week in Vyctorious! Aug 22 08:05:02 :p Aug 22 08:19:46 is it possible to dpkg -i more than 1 package at once, like "dpkg -i /home/user/MyDocs/1.deb 2.deb 3.deb Aug 22 08:20:04 My N900 fell from my desk to the carpeted floor while a USB cable was connected to the N900. I think my N900 landed on the micro USB plug because now the micro USB socket is bent/crooked and the USB connection for charging (I use Wireless LAN to access my N900 via ssh.) is intermittent. :( Aug 22 08:20:17 get it to repairs.. Aug 22 08:20:18 :P Aug 22 08:22:06 th3hate: With bash, you could run "for pkg in pkg1.deb pkg2.deb pkg3.deb; do dpkg -i ${pkg}; done". Aug 22 08:23:24 brolin_empey, i have 12 package named from 1-12, can you tell me the command? Aug 22 08:24:50 dpkg -i * Aug 22 08:24:51 :P Aug 22 08:26:53 for pkg in 1.deb 2.deb 3.deb 4.deb 5.deb 6.deb 7.deb 8.deb 9.deb 10.deb 11.deb 12.deb; do dpkg -i ${pkg}; done Aug 22 08:27:10 but what abou the path ? /home/user/MyDocs Aug 22 08:29:10 jacekowski: would that be reasonable? Aug 22 08:29:27 new pulseaudio package seems to have fixed stuttering for most users :) Aug 22 08:29:33 or at least reduced it Aug 22 08:30:04 th3hate: I think you can simply put all the .deb files in a directory containing no other files and run "dpkg -i /path/to/dir/*.deb", as frals suggested. Aug 22 08:31:58 brolin_empey, thanks Aug 22 08:31:59 what MohammadAG51 ? how about cpu use? Aug 22 08:32:08 dpkg -i [1-9].deb 1[012].deb Aug 22 08:33:25 or you can use a bash for loop: for((i=1;i<=12;i++)); do dpkg -i $i.deb; done Aug 22 08:33:26 pupnik_, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60788 :) Aug 22 08:34:05 budfive, so i write this in command line: "for((i=1;i<=12;i++)); do dpkg -i $i.deb" ? Aug 22 08:34:16 yes Aug 22 08:34:31 first cd to dir ? Aug 22 08:34:37 MohammadAG51: In a way which makes audio work now? :-) Aug 22 08:34:49 th3hate: yah Aug 22 08:35:07 th3hate: that assumes you're using full bash. busybox shell likely doesn't support that fanciness Aug 22 08:35:14 Jaffa, it seems the patch needs the newer unreleased kernel, or some patch which is in kernel-power :) Aug 22 08:35:25 Jaffa, in short, won't work on current stock Aug 22 08:35:50 budfive, how to use full bash? Aug 22 08:36:01 MohammadAG51: Ah, right. Aug 22 08:36:20 MohammadAG51: afaik the resampling is about as fast as it gets, but i was wondering if resampling can get bypassed completely with a 48khz source Aug 22 08:37:12 also how about a limiter-controlled xprot speaker protection - only kicks in if total volume > 75% or 50% or smth Aug 22 08:37:29 isn't for (( a bashism? Aug 22 08:37:48 DocScrutinizer51: yep Aug 22 08:37:57 th3hate: Why not use my simple solution so you do not even need to install bash? Aug 22 08:38:00 what module provides /sys/devices/platform/omap-mcbsp.3/st_enable Aug 22 08:38:22 the regexp version 'dpkg -i [1-9].deb 1[012].deb' likely will work even in busybox Aug 22 08:38:24 brolin_empey, this "dpkg -i /path/to/dir/*.deb" ? Aug 22 08:38:46 uh Aug 22 08:38:56 dpkg -i [1-9].deb 1[012].deb Aug 22 08:38:58 budfive: should, by definition Aug 22 08:39:32 DocScrutinizer51: Even in busybox? I never bothered to figure out exactly which features the busybox shell was missing Aug 22 08:39:40 MohammadAG51, packages are named 10 11 12 not 011.. etc Aug 22 08:40:00 simple shel regex for sure is messybox even Aug 22 08:40:06 k Aug 22 08:41:16 DocScrutinizer51: Don't you mean lamebox? ;) Aug 22 08:41:48 but is it really so complicated? a /bla/*.deb usually does Aug 22 08:44:24 th3hate: Yes. Make a new, temporary dir, put all the .deb files in it, then run "dpkg -i /path/to/dir/*.deb". That should work in even the simplest shell, even if regexes are not supported. Aug 22 08:45:24 brolin_empey, i could do "dpkg -i *" = everything in the dir Aug 22 08:45:30 * is a simple shell regex Aug 22 08:45:31 dir only contains debs Aug 22 08:45:49 th3hate: dpkg -i * Aug 22 08:46:16 budfive, is there a way to force install them without asking y/n Aug 22 08:46:57 DocScrutinizer51: No, '*' is a shell globbing pattern. Aug 22 08:47:17 do dpkg -i --force-help Aug 22 08:47:19 If there are no objections, I'll announce it on the Council blog Aug 22 08:47:24 Ignore that Aug 22 08:47:35 * Jaffa was trying to mention globbing vs. regex Aug 22 08:47:40 no objections to? Aug 22 08:47:41 :P Aug 22 08:48:47 Jaffa: The conversation in this channel moves too fast. :/ Aug 22 08:48:49 budfive, dpkg -i --force-all * ? Aug 22 08:49:10 th3hate: you tell me. I don't know what you want to force :) Aug 22 08:49:11 dpkg shouldn't ask y/n o_O Aug 22 08:49:14 Stskeeps: Election dates Aug 22 08:49:24 budfive, all packages in the dir Aug 22 08:49:29 Stskeeps: It's been six months already Aug 22 08:49:30 early elections? :P Aug 22 08:49:30 why force? Aug 22 08:49:46 MohammadAG51, i don't want it to ask y/n when installing Aug 22 08:49:47 Stskeeps: Last were in March Aug 22 08:50:03 th3hate, dpkg doesn't ask y/n Aug 22 08:50:03 Speaking of elections, we just had a federal election :P Aug 22 08:50:07 Jaffa: ah Aug 22 08:50:07 apt-get does Aug 22 08:50:17 in which case you can use apt-get -y install Aug 22 08:51:03 Stskeeps: You mean Nokia's repair service? Aug 22 08:51:11 * Jaffa pokes GeneralAntilles and GAN900 as the only other council member here. And meta-pokes Texrat, achipa and javispedro Aug 22 08:51:24 brolin_empey: right Aug 22 08:52:22 Stskeeps: Sorry for the delay; I got sidetracked by helping th3hate. :) Aug 22 08:52:43 brolin_empey, thanks for help :) Aug 22 08:55:17 th3hate: You are welcome, but you would probably benefit from studying at least the basics of Bourne shell usage. :) Aug 22 08:55:51 brolin_empey, only if you give me some newbies guide :P Aug 22 08:56:05 X-Fade, we need a Maemo/community/troll/* cloak Aug 22 08:58:14 Stskeeps: I do not think Nokia's repair service is available to me because I live in Canada and bought my N900 from NewEgg.ca, but the N900 has still not even been released in Canada. :( Aug 22 08:58:48 brolin_empey: check consumer laws.. Aug 22 08:59:44 brolin_empey: Jaffa: yep, I mixed BRE and globbing Aug 22 09:00:45 anyway [abc] and * are of same class in a shell Aug 22 09:01:24 good morning guys Aug 22 09:01:25 Stskeeps: I failed so badly because I picked up my N900 right after I got out of bed on Saturday morning/afternoon because I saw I had a new message, but I was still sleepy and dropped my beloved N900 for the first time. :( Aug 22 09:03:08 see man bash /pathname expansion ->* Matches any string... [...] Matches any one of the enclosed characters. Aug 22 09:03:09 <__a> what the f.. my widgets are disappearing off the homescreen every other day Aug 22 09:03:13 brolin_empey: I dropped mine several times (accidentally), but it doesn't have a problem Aug 22 09:03:31 __a: this may happen if hildon-home crashes Aug 22 09:05:05 __a: when this happens, it gets rid of some 3rd party widgets that it thinks caused the problem Aug 22 09:05:38 Venemo: Did you drop it while it had a USB cable connected? Aug 22 09:05:43 <__a> Venemo: soo I have to remove them all and bring back one by one? Aug 22 09:06:16 brolin_empey: no. Aug 22 09:06:45 __a: well, try to deduce which of them causes the problem Aug 22 09:06:54 i dropped mine with the charger connected Aug 22 09:07:24 <__a> i got facebook, GPE calendar and shutter... Aug 22 09:07:28 __a: eg. Sticky Notes doesn't run in hildon-home, so it always stays there even during a crash Aug 22 09:07:36 <__a> apart from the built in ones Aug 22 09:07:55 __a: the other thing, Python widgets usually cause crashes for some people Aug 22 09:07:58 Venemo: I (accidentally, of course!) dropped mine while the USB cable was connected; I think it landed on the micro USB plug, which bent/pushed the micro USB socket so the USB connection is now intermittent, at least for charging. :( Aug 22 09:11:10 <__a> Venemo: thanks man! im starting to think its the gpe cal. widget.. gpe seems buggy all over Aug 22 09:11:16 brolin_empey: oooh... that sounds bad Aug 22 09:13:08 brolin_empey: well, since the MicroUSB connectors of the N900 are generally bad, you could just return it to warranty repair Aug 22 09:13:22 brolin_empey: noone's gonna ask if you dropped it or whatever Aug 22 09:13:31 brolin_empey: i have same problem Aug 22 09:13:49 i mean the intermittent charging Aug 22 09:14:25 Stskeeps: My understanding of the paper warranty documents included with my N900 was that I do not have warranty coverage because I did not buy my N900 in USA and/or because I do not live in USA, but I received my N900 in late June, so I could have forgotten by now. Aug 22 09:14:45 brolin_empey: sucks then Aug 22 09:15:20 brolin_empey: where have you bought your n900 Aug 22 09:15:30 brolin_empey: and where do you live? Aug 22 09:16:30 jacekowski: Has your N900 been dropped too? Aug 22 09:16:43 probably Aug 22 09:16:46 but i'm not sure Aug 22 09:16:57 well, it was dropped multiple times Aug 22 09:17:07 but i don't think it was dropped with usb cable connected Aug 22 09:17:55 camera gives error "Memory not accessible", but i checked folder ~/MyDocs/DCIM and has write permissions Aug 22 09:18:25 fat32? Aug 22 09:18:34 check which memory it's saving to Aug 22 09:18:44 jacekowski: I bought my N900 from NewEgg.ca and I live in Delta, British Columbia, Canada. Aug 22 09:20:46 <[DarkGUNMAN]> MohammadAG51 - out of curiosity, what do the patches in /public/maemo/debfiles on your website do? my device is due a reflash and i'm trying stuff out before it gets wiped again. Aug 22 09:21:09 which ones? Aug 22 09:21:20 <[DarkGUNMAN]> hildon-desktop Aug 22 09:21:21 MohammadAG51: by the way, did you add the mp launch option to phone control? Aug 22 09:21:34 thinkpad baking in the sun - cpu 54c Aug 22 09:21:35 afaik yes Aug 22 09:21:58 [DarkGUNMAN], the kinetic one has all new patches + a kinetic scrolling "fix" Aug 22 09:22:08 it's stable, you can install it after the reflash Aug 22 09:22:26 restart the desktop if you want to see the scrolling changes Aug 22 09:22:46 <[DarkGUNMAN]> nice :) Aug 22 09:23:51 MohammadAG51: hmm, i dont see it and i have the latest version installed 0.2.3 Aug 22 09:25:03 hmm Aug 22 09:25:07 sec, lemme check that Aug 22 09:25:15 MohammadAG51: its not on memory card Aug 22 09:25:46 MohammadAG51: i dont want to mount memory card into MyDocs Aug 22 09:26:11 Can I repair the micro USB socket on my own? Can the N900 be easily disassembled and reassembled without risk of damage? Aug 22 09:26:53 BluesLee: o/ Aug 22 09:27:59 brolin_empey: unplugging the flat plastic cable connecting the upper half is rather prone to damage the plug/cable Aug 22 09:28:31 DocScrutinizer: hi Aug 22 09:28:42 brolin_empey: but seems usually people manage to disassemble without breaking it Aug 22 09:29:34 brolin_empey: and yes, resoldering the USB receptacle isn't particularly difficult as long as it's not completely off and possibly damaged PCB traces Aug 22 09:30:24 * brolin_empey already had to disassemble his FreeRunner and have our electronics technician at work replace the mini USB socket because the D- pin got bent, so he could still charge via USB but had no USB data. Aug 22 09:34:29 DocScrutinizer: Flat plastic cable? Do you mean inside the N900's case? Aug 22 09:35:00 * brolin_empey has not even tried to disassemble his N900. Aug 22 09:35:31 lmao Aug 22 09:35:57 brolin_empey: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/IMG_1941.JPG the brown thing in center Aug 22 09:36:27 Slashdot has one article about the N900 doing something, and all the fucking fanbois are out Aug 22 09:36:30 http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/08/21/2256206/Real-Time-Detailed-Face-Tracking-On-a-Nokia-N900 Aug 22 09:36:52 heh Aug 22 09:37:02 brolin_empey: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/ for other views Aug 22 09:37:15 timeless_mbp: just some buttons Aug 22 09:37:31 The few guys who are trying to tell the truth have been modded to oblivion, either "troll" or "flamebait", and all the "I luvz my little n900, it has xterm" are marked as +5 insightful Aug 22 09:37:50 had it happen twice, once it was the refresh button missing, the other one was just address bar+refresh Aug 22 09:37:54 nothing else Aug 22 09:38:06 will take a screen next time it happens Aug 22 09:40:16 kerio: ctrl-shift-p Aug 22 09:40:19 please Aug 22 09:41:18 hello again Aug 22 09:41:28 mohammadag51 are you there? Aug 22 09:42:04 crashanddie: But it does have teh xt3rm. Aug 22 09:42:04 speedevil? Aug 22 09:42:45 speedevil found out: # get frequency range; currently only the US/Europe frequency band is supported by the driver Aug 22 09:43:01 so i need modified driver for the fmrx? Aug 22 09:44:05 Jaffa: yup, but I'm pretty damn sure the iPhone does as well ;) Aug 22 09:44:36 SkyscraperN900, yes, haven't up'd the image yet Aug 22 09:45:14 mohammadag51 ah okay. why? and when you'll up it? i cant wait ;) Aug 22 09:45:32 Jaffa: btw, this is superb: http://churchturing.org/w/iphone-ssh/ Aug 22 09:46:02 crashanddie: what's "the truth"? Aug 22 09:46:31 mavhc: that maemo 5 and the n900 was a great idea, very poorly executed? Aug 22 09:46:57 too vague Aug 22 09:47:04 crashanddie: Mmm, secure :-) Aug 22 09:47:23 Jaffa: just give bogus information and connect Aug 22 09:47:36 crashanddie: Ah :-) Aug 22 09:47:57 anyone know how to switch fmrx of n900 to japan fm band? Aug 22 09:48:09 N900 Jeopardy! Answer = "LA LA LA LA LA! Not a problem! Don't want to hear about it!" Aug 22 09:48:27 Question = "How did nokia deal with pulseaudio taking 12-20% cpu?" Aug 22 09:48:45 that would be a specific criticism, crashanddie Aug 22 09:48:52 I wonder that too Aug 22 09:49:08 SkyscraperN900, what's the range of the Japanese FM band? Aug 22 09:49:27 pupnik_: Or "how did Nokia deal with hildon-desktop regression causing 10-15% CPU?" Aug 22 09:50:01 pupnik_: Or "how have Nokia helped developers migrate from Maemo to MeeGo with 'legacy' applications?" Aug 22 09:50:03 johnx 76.0 up to 108.0 MHz Aug 22 09:50:04 SkyscraperN900, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60567 Aug 22 09:50:12 they need to fund a 'this needs to get fixed' contract-based system imo Aug 22 09:50:27 crashanddie: actually, it was an experiment, and it was successful Aug 22 09:50:27 pupnik_: Or how Ari Jaaski was talking about "how nokia was skeptical about Open Source, but Maemo and the community convinced them?" Aug 22 09:50:30 pupnik_: Or "how did Nokia make such a fast CPU have a laggy and unresponsive UI; which gets worse with updates?" Aug 22 09:50:30 if someone out there has the knowledge and motivation to fix something (up to spec and code review) they should get a bounty Aug 22 09:50:54 crashanddie: and after the experiment, noone cares about the subjects any more :P Aug 22 09:51:07 johnx i'm talking about fmRX not fmTX ;) Aug 22 09:51:22 ah. that would make more sense :) Aug 22 09:51:33 I bet a lot of WONTFIX are really "would be nice to have, but no time" issues Aug 22 09:51:36 I was wondering why you couldn't find a free station to transmit on :P Aug 22 09:51:47 Or how Nokia is so free to share their code that everyone can contribute to the code and make the device better? Aug 22 09:52:24 because, you know, throwing code out on gitorious and saying "This is dead fish now, we don't care about it anymore" is really "the spirit of open source" Aug 22 09:52:37 (actually, that's not so far from the truth) Aug 22 09:52:39 crashanddie: fortunately, this situation is improved with MeeGo Aug 22 09:52:43 MohammadAG51: is your pulseaudio from generic upstream or nokia? Aug 22 09:52:55 Venemo: HAH, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Aug 22 09:53:09 crashanddie: btw, the sources were on gitorious for a long time... not just the last commit Aug 22 09:53:13 pupnik_, same one you have installed + one patch from nokia Aug 22 09:53:14 Venemo: thanks, tmmd Aug 22 09:53:38 MohammadAG51: so all the maemo-specific stuff is in the scripts for PA? Aug 22 09:53:53 crashanddie: 'tmmd'=? (sorry, non-native English speaker here) Aug 22 09:53:56 yes, it's from the maemo.org repos Aug 22 09:54:03 Venemo: "that made my day" Aug 22 09:54:08 i'm curious about doing that limiter code to bypass EQ and resampling Aug 22 09:54:16 it would be a hack, but what the heck Aug 22 09:55:06 i can manage an if-then block :P Aug 22 09:55:37 crashanddie: ah. thank you :) Aug 22 09:58:23 SkyscraperN900, sooo, feel like doing some kernel hacking? Aug 22 09:59:55 The N800 was in the same situation, but someone apparently created a patch for the kernel to allow selecting from the Japanese band: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2249 Aug 22 09:59:56 Bug 2249: FM Radio frequency not set for use in Japan Aug 22 10:00:05 johnx i cant to that Aug 22 10:00:39 Very positive attitude :P You're probably out of luck then Aug 22 10:01:58 SkyscraperN900: s/to/do/ ?? Aug 22 10:02:34 johnx does this help? http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/media/radio/radio-bcm2048.c Aug 22 10:03:52 well huh Aug 22 10:03:56 that's interesting :) Aug 22 10:04:33 * timeless_mbp is glad to see people using mxr :) Aug 22 10:04:56 SkyscraperN900: it's easy to change region Aug 22 10:05:05 jacekowski how? Aug 22 10:05:08 SkyscraperN900: just echo 4 > /sys/somewhere/region Aug 22 10:05:14 after module is loaded Aug 22 10:05:32 jacekowski yes done it already Aug 22 10:05:33 find /sys -name region Aug 22 10:05:44 AFTER module is loaded Aug 22 10:06:06 done /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-0022 # echo 4 > region Aug 22 10:06:08 would the radio app itself have a fixed range, possibly? Aug 22 10:06:43 SkyscraperN900: that's fmtx Aug 22 10:06:45 jacekowski then v4l2-ctl -d /dev/radio1 --all Aug 22 10:07:06 shows Frequency range : 76.0 MHz - 108.0 MHz Aug 22 10:07:24 ok Aug 22 10:07:27 and now it's done Aug 22 10:07:44 but when i set v4l2-ctl -d /dev/radio1 -f 76.0 Aug 22 10:07:59 i get VIDIOC_S_FREQUENCY: failed: Input/output error Aug 22 10:08:07 try 77 Aug 22 10:08:09 Try 76.1? Aug 22 10:08:23 same error Aug 22 10:08:31 try 100 Aug 22 10:08:38 allows only 87.5 to 108.0 Aug 22 10:08:44 hmm Aug 22 10:08:55 you have to recompile Aug 22 10:09:06 for example: Frequency set to 1668800 (104.300000 MHz) Aug 22 10:09:06 it looks like on the fly frequency change is unsupported Aug 22 10:09:21 try japanese firmware Aug 22 10:09:28 well, japanese kernel Aug 22 10:09:31 eeek Aug 22 10:09:49 there isn't a japanese firmware, isn't it? Aug 22 10:10:06 arigato Aug 22 10:10:09 intreresting Aug 22 10:10:23 cant i just modify the kernel driver for radio to 76-108 mhz for all regions? Aug 22 10:10:26 -testing can have two versions of the same package if one of them has been unlocked but not actually promoted? Aug 22 10:10:34 SkyscraperN900: you can Aug 22 10:10:39 i can't remember - does the n900 ship with vi, or did i have to install that? Aug 22 10:10:47 http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/sql_query.jpg Aug 22 10:10:52 BCMM it needs installing, it's in extras Aug 22 10:11:12 BCMM, it ships with a quite stripped down version that's part of busybox. Certainly doesn't have vim by default though Aug 22 10:11:23 how to modify those driver, jacekowski ? Aug 22 10:11:32 ah, bb has a vi implementation; that explains it Aug 22 10:11:36 well, open a text editor Aug 22 10:11:39 modify it Aug 22 10:11:40 save Aug 22 10:11:41 close Aug 22 10:11:49 compile Aug 22 10:11:50 flash Aug 22 10:11:57 or you can go hardcore Aug 22 10:11:59 and Aug 22 10:12:10 modify binary driver Aug 22 10:12:14 hexedit :-P Aug 22 10:12:15 so you don't have to flash Aug 22 10:12:27 how to compile? cant i just replace only the binary? Aug 22 10:12:39 without flashing Aug 22 10:12:50 you have to flash whole kernel Aug 22 10:13:01 not full fiasco image Aug 22 10:13:03 just kernel Aug 22 10:13:08 hm Aug 22 10:13:09 + modules Aug 22 10:13:13 duh, why? Aug 22 10:13:20 i think thats to hardcore for me ;( Aug 22 10:13:25 different toolchain Aug 22 10:13:26 isn't the radio driver a module though? Aug 22 10:13:31 it will taint the kernel Aug 22 10:13:45 errrrr?? Aug 22 10:13:49 well, if you can live with tainted kernel you can only replace module Aug 22 10:14:44 hoped its easy to use those freqs. but it seems not. i'm not good enough to modify kernel -.- Aug 22 10:15:08 that's simple mod Aug 22 10:15:15 if you can use google Aug 22 10:15:17 jacekowski, so you're positive it needs to be set at compile time? Aug 22 10:15:34 default region Aug 22 10:15:35 yes Aug 22 10:16:02 and what's the name of the module? *not seeing any bcmXXX here ...* Aug 22 10:16:33 why change region? when i just modify the driver? to say region 2 has band 76-108, too? Aug 22 10:16:52 well, both changes are simple Aug 22 10:17:07 well, if you could figure out how to change it to region 4, you'd have 76.0 to 108.0 Aug 22 10:17:09 can you do that?! Aug 22 10:17:17 yes Aug 22 10:17:23 in ~5 minutes Aug 22 10:17:27 maybe less Aug 22 10:17:34 can you do it for me? xD Aug 22 10:17:39 + time required to find my phone Aug 22 10:17:45 and i probably left it in my car Aug 22 10:18:03 unless you can send me a copy of that driver Aug 22 10:18:06 i need hours or days for that i think Aug 22 10:18:19 copy from where? Aug 22 10:18:25 /lib/modules Aug 22 10:18:26 me wonders if we could go for 50..180 Aug 22 10:18:34 DocScrutinizer51: not according to datasheet Aug 22 10:18:36 no Aug 22 10:18:46 which datasheet??? Aug 22 10:18:50 bcm2048 can go 76-108 Aug 22 10:18:54 the one on interwebs Aug 22 10:19:05 haha Aug 22 10:19:25 http://www.datasheetpro.com/595821_download_BCM2048_datasheet.html Aug 22 10:19:29 well, "datasheet" Aug 22 10:19:38 yep Aug 22 10:19:42 pamphlet Aug 22 10:19:44 jacekowski having 2 folders in /lib/modules Aug 22 10:19:52 current Aug 22 10:20:05 what are the names Aug 22 10:20:26 jacekowski, if there are 2, one is current, one is -omap1, both are the same Aug 22 10:20:29 :) Aug 22 10:20:43 just type find | grep 2048 Aug 22 10:20:51 and send that to jacekowski@jacekowski.org Aug 22 10:20:56 err wut? Aug 22 10:21:04 have found it Aug 22 10:21:17 DocScrutinizer51: i don't have my phone with me Aug 22 10:21:24 find . -name '.*2048.*' Aug 22 10:21:33 that would work as well Aug 22 10:21:38 but grep is shorter Aug 22 10:21:58 radio-bcm2048.ko Aug 22 10:22:35 hmm, somebody keeps sending me e-mail with subject Aug 22 10:22:38 so, now on pc, too - easier Aug 22 10:22:44 "Your wife photos attached" Aug 22 10:22:54 can you repost mail-adress? Aug 22 10:23:01 you... never mentioned you had a wife... so I'm assuming you don't? Aug 22 10:23:08 and i don't remember that i was so drunk to marry somebody Aug 22 10:23:14 xD Aug 22 10:23:18 jacekowski@jacekowski.org Aug 22 10:23:26 and well, it's not getting caught on spam filters Aug 22 10:23:30 which worries me even more Aug 22 10:23:55 jacekowski: Morning, did you had a look at the aes module? Aug 22 10:23:58 so look into that mail, dude! or you'll never know whom you married Aug 22 10:25:04 tobis87: nope Aug 22 10:25:10 jacekowski: Would my record be selected if I was female? I am 80 kg, 191 cm, 23 years young, but the Y chromosome was not my choice. :) Aug 22 10:25:11 time to test debootstrapping lucid xD Aug 22 10:26:22 brolin_empey: you would need tits Aug 22 10:26:35 dd makes an exact copy of a partition right? Aug 22 10:26:41 MohammadAG: yes Aug 22 10:26:55 so I needn't worry about permissions and crap Aug 22 10:27:10 vme humms 'tainted kernel' by 'micro soft cell' Aug 22 10:27:23 And apparently my prime year of birth is the same as tobis87? :) Aug 22 10:27:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RBSrUtX0bA Mr Bungle - Stubb (A Dub) [ode to one of the band members' dogs] Aug 22 10:27:43 i'm going to eat something Aug 22 10:28:18 tobis87: that module is only part of solution Aug 22 10:28:29 jacekowski: Well, I think it's the only driver which is missing on the n900 Aug 22 10:28:35 tobis87: i would like to store key in some secure are as well Aug 22 10:28:38 area* Aug 22 10:28:51 MohammadAG: dd does a block copy if you copy a block device Aug 22 10:28:51 tobis87: so it would behave like a non encrypted phone Aug 22 10:28:52 jacekowski: something like a tpm chip? Aug 22 10:29:02 sort of Aug 22 10:29:15 DocScrutinizer51, which means I can restore partition tables right? Aug 22 10:29:15 tpm does more stuff as well Aug 22 10:29:22 sure Aug 22 10:29:23 m-shield would do the job Aug 22 10:30:04 WAAAAAAH TPM D-: Aug 22 10:30:31 well, encrypted partition Aug 22 10:30:31 jacekowski: yes, but it is can be broken, the best area for a key to store is your brain, or steghide it inside some picture. Aug 22 10:30:33 internet explorer crashed xD Aug 22 10:30:41 jacekowski: i mailed it to you ;) Aug 22 10:30:47 + remote wipe Aug 22 10:30:53 but instead of wiping partition Aug 22 10:31:05 < DocScrutinizer51> vme humms 'tainted kernel' by 'micro soft cell' <- haha Aug 22 10:31:19 jacekowski: how do you want to wipe a flash based drive? Aug 22 10:31:26 i don't Aug 22 10:31:32 i just want to wipe a key Aug 22 10:31:36 jacekowski: did you get mail? Aug 22 10:31:42 so if phone was wiped because you weren't sure where it is Aug 22 10:31:45 you can get data back Aug 22 10:31:53 by typing that key from keyboard Aug 22 10:32:19 but if anything happens key is wiped automaticaly + remote wipe support as well Aug 22 10:32:21 skyscraper_: yep Aug 22 10:32:24 jacekowski: My breasts are already the same size as a girl's, but they would probably be larger if I was a woman. ;) Aug 22 10:32:53 i'm not sure if we are talking about same kind of girls Aug 22 10:33:08 TPM is BS! mega BS Aug 22 10:33:58 jacekowski: I mean a literal girl as in a female human child, not a colloquialism for a young woman. Aug 22 10:34:22 jacekowski: I don't know how you can do it on the n900, but I onced had the idea to store a key inside the EBR, since only not all of the 64bytes are used for the extended partition record. if you have more than one logical volume you could split the key between the ebr's. Aug 22 10:35:06 according to limited information i found Aug 22 10:35:15 m-shield provides secure storage as well Aug 22 10:36:02 tobis87: and what's the use of such kinky thing? Aug 22 10:36:44 hmm, strange word to use there Aug 22 10:37:52 DocScrutinizer51: I think nobody would expect you, to do such a kinky thing, also if you dd the partiton, you could not find the key and it really looks like random data if it is stored in the ebr. Aug 22 10:38:40 hmm Aug 22 10:39:08 I could think of a dozen better ways to 'hide' some data Aug 22 10:39:45 First way: Memorize it Aug 22 10:40:00 DocScrutinizer51: Maybe they do know now :-D , I mean they already take dsl router with them if they search your home nowadays. At least that is what I have heard. Aug 22 10:40:02 exactly Aug 22 10:40:03 hy Aug 22 10:41:25 oO Aug 22 10:41:32 that driver doesn't match the source Aug 22 10:41:50 jacekowski: which driver? Aug 22 10:41:56 lol Aug 22 10:42:14 seems nothing in maemo really does Aug 22 10:42:16 I'm trying to overclock my N900, but now after rebooting, always go to Nokia screen, and shutdown, and go again to Nokia screen...shutdown...Etc... :s Aug 22 10:42:43 ~tell yannux about omap-oc Aug 22 10:42:54 someone know how can I do to make it better? Aug 22 10:43:07 flash stock kernel Aug 22 10:43:08 DocScrutinizer: what ? Aug 22 10:43:41 build a time machine and not overclock in the first place? Aug 22 10:43:44 but battery is not full charged :s Aug 22 10:43:45 and modules :-P Aug 22 10:44:13 yannux: too bad. You've been warned Aug 22 10:44:25 yes .... i know.... Aug 22 10:44:45 what a shit day >.> Aug 22 10:44:57 jacekowski: the aes module needs some kernel part as well, I merged the kernel part into it. i double checked that the aes2_ick instruction is availible in the n900 kernel tree. Aug 22 10:46:01 during the flashing with usb cable , is it charging ? Aug 22 10:46:02 jacekowski: http://pastebin.com/14rfNjUe , the diff http://pastebin.com/ZDJV5P7Z Aug 22 10:46:57 jacekowski: the original http://pastebin.com/FN9SdUZ5 Aug 22 10:47:43 yannux: nope Aug 22 10:48:24 bad day Aug 22 10:48:48 yannux: you reached deadlock state. Only way out: get external charger or other means to have a fully charged battery, without using the N900 Aug 22 10:49:13 ok thanks DocScrutinizer Aug 22 10:49:20 DocScrutinizer: looks like we were right in the end, OC will kill your device, and ruin your sunday Aug 22 10:49:30 hehehe Aug 22 10:49:35 completly ! Aug 22 10:50:05 first and last Aug 22 10:50:11 jacekowski: have you done it?^^ Aug 22 10:52:21 DocScrutinizer: when I press u during the nokia screen, it doesn't shutdown, static screen with usb logo on top right corner Aug 22 10:53:28 great, so try to flash COMBINED stock fiasco img Aug 22 10:54:59 so if there is usb logo seems that is charging ? Aug 22 10:55:11 nope Aug 22 10:55:47 oh ? :s Aug 22 10:55:49 it means it's in flash mode, and it doesn't charge in flash mode Aug 22 10:56:01 ok :s Aug 22 10:56:16 and if it stop during flash, what's the risk ? Aug 22 10:56:46 jacekowski: i'm short away to shower ... Aug 22 10:57:27 ok Aug 22 10:57:29 yep Aug 22 10:57:30 done Aug 22 10:57:32 jacekowski: See first comment on . ;) Aug 22 10:59:06 skyscraper_: are you there? Aug 22 10:59:53 skyscraper_: option one - offset 0x2774 - change 0x02 to 0x04 Aug 22 11:00:00 skyscraper_: that will change default region Aug 22 11:00:35 option two Aug 22 11:01:00 0x459c - here are the region_info structures Aug 22 11:01:45 yannux: for your case? None Aug 22 11:01:46 file offsets Aug 22 11:01:50 not memory offsets Aug 22 11:02:18 DocScrutinizer: ok so if it's stop, just need to retry with full battery ? Aug 22 11:02:26 yes Aug 22 11:02:55 well, there is no way to damage phone using software Aug 22 11:03:08 you would have to unlock otp areas Aug 22 11:03:13 and then wipe config Aug 22 11:03:22 that's only case when it wouldn't boot Aug 22 11:03:43 jacekowski: bet? Aug 22 11:03:53 DocScrutinizer: ok thanks Aug 22 11:03:55 :-P Aug 22 11:03:55 ok, what do you propose? Aug 22 11:04:05 yannux: np Aug 22 11:04:15 dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mtd can be recovered with coldflash Aug 22 11:04:16 I must flash only PR or emmc vanilla too ? Aug 22 11:04:40 jacekowski, I can confirm Aug 22 11:04:45 jacekowski: 100bucks, on my sw damaging your N900 Aug 22 11:04:52 a cold flash requires a bootloader image Aug 22 11:04:56 2nd image Aug 22 11:05:06 DocScrutinizer51: OC doesn't count Aug 22 11:05:10 and overvoltage as well Aug 22 11:05:15 hah Aug 22 11:05:35 #back Aug 22 11:05:39 * MohammadAG hands DocScrutinizer51 i2c-tools Aug 22 11:05:54 DocScrutinizer51: If I remove the 6 Philips screws from the back of my N900 (where the battery is), can I easily access the PCB with the micro USB socket? Aug 22 11:05:58 jacekowski: im back Aug 22 11:06:16 skyscraper_: read what i said earlier Aug 22 11:06:33 brolin_empey, they're not 6 screws Aug 22 11:06:37 brolin_empey: 2 are T5 and yes, in theory you can Aug 22 11:06:42 they're 4 PH0s and 2 are T6 Aug 22 11:06:49 jacekowski: offset 0x2774 - change 0x02 to 0x04 would help? Aug 22 11:06:53 yes Aug 22 11:06:53 DocScrutinizer51, T6 Aug 22 11:07:02 maybe Aug 22 11:07:06 unless something else is blocking it Aug 22 11:07:09 I'm sure of it Aug 22 11:07:17 since I couldn't find less than 6 xD Aug 22 11:07:21 DocScrutinizer: I must flash only PR or emmc vanilla too ? Aug 22 11:07:31 nope Aug 22 11:07:34 yannux: it's the best to flash both Aug 22 11:07:47 vanilla is not needed Aug 22 11:08:09 sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F --flash-only=kernel -f -R is this command enough ? Aug 22 11:08:57 nope Aug 22 11:09:27 so : sudo flasher-3.5 -F -f -R ? Aug 22 11:09:32 you need to flash the full image, so no -flash-only Aug 22 11:09:41 yep Aug 22 11:10:13 ok Aug 22 11:10:20 so let's go Aug 22 11:11:09 jacekowski: now when i start the fmradio i have region set to 4 automatically.. and v412-ctl -d /dev/radio1 --all say freqency range is 76.0 to 108.0 MHz.... - but again: when i try to set v4l2-ctl Aug 22 11:11:22 show me your dmesg Aug 22 11:11:26 to -f 76.0 i get error Aug 22 11:11:27 after you try that Aug 22 11:11:31 MohammadAG: Yes, you are correct: the 2 bottom screws are Torx, not Philips. I should have looked closer. :) Aug 22 11:11:44 dmesg? Aug 22 11:12:48 DocScrutinizer: flash in progress. ..it's seems fast Aug 22 11:13:15 skyscraper_, dmesg in terminal Aug 22 11:13:17 Steep programming cmt Aug 22 11:13:23 hmm Aug 22 11:13:31 Longest two steps in flashing, erasing and programming the cmt Aug 22 11:13:59 yes :D thanks a lot DocScrutinizer for your advise ! Aug 22 11:14:16 skyscraper_: it might be fmrx itself blocking lower frequencies Aug 22 11:14:16 advice* Aug 22 11:14:17 jacekowski: theres nothing in dmesg.. Aug 22 11:14:33 jacekowski: but why? the chip itself allows 76-108? Aug 22 11:14:46 but it may be preprogrammed by nokia Aug 22 11:14:57 on the chip? Aug 22 11:15:01 to be blocked in eu version Aug 22 11:15:11 without full datasheet it's hard to tell Aug 22 11:15:21 try unloading module and using i2c to talk to it Aug 22 11:15:23 strace Aug 22 11:15:37 you can't strace modules Aug 22 11:16:05 http://www.ic-on-line.cn/IOL/datasheet/bcm2048_1119264.pdf Aug 22 11:16:36 that's useless Aug 22 11:16:40 full datasheet would be ncie Aug 22 11:16:42 nice* Aug 22 11:16:46 nope, but you can strace the app v2ctl Aug 22 11:20:18 i dont understand why v4l2-ctl -d /dev/radio1 -f 76.0 fails.... - when i echo region 2 and say that ill get an error VIDIOC_S_FREQUENCY: failed: Numerical argument out of domain - but when i have region 4 i get VIDIOC_S_FREQUENCY: failed: Input/output error Aug 22 11:20:22 btw I suggest to recompile that app Aug 22 11:20:28 DocScrutinizer: seems that doing reboot with xterm cause my N900 fails Aug 22 11:21:50 yannux: sorry? Aug 22 11:22:29 after installing needed package for overclock, I ve reboot by sudo gainroot, reboot Aug 22 11:22:40 someone who do like me was crashing too Aug 22 11:23:06 yannux: omg, you told DocScrutinizer51 about Overclocking, run for your live ! Aug 22 11:23:26 yes marmoute :) but I saved me ! Aug 22 11:24:13 but my N900 is often slowly :s Aug 22 11:24:39 mp3 + web + sms make it alway slow :( Aug 22 11:25:13 :-/ Aug 22 11:25:20 here just after flashing, display sms make all interface slow :( Aug 22 11:25:48 close the sms window ~3seconds Aug 22 11:26:35 no application running, and switching between 4 desktop makte it slow :s little freeze :s Aug 22 11:26:49 yannux, after reflashing did you restore from your backup and put all the apps back on Aug 22 11:26:52 hmm, I changed my mind. Probably you *should* flash vanilla as well Aug 22 11:27:06 lcuk: no Aug 22 11:27:16 DocScrutinizer: oh ok :) I think I'll do it Aug 22 11:27:20 can you make a short video showing your specific delays Aug 22 11:27:28 ahh ok nm Aug 22 11:27:36 notice you always need to flash rootfs same step when flashing eMMC/vanilla Aug 22 11:27:58 hm... i must go ;( - jacekowski if you find a way, write me mail xD Aug 22 11:28:10 waiting more charging and go Aug 22 11:28:11 yes, first kernel without -R and after the emmc Aug 22 11:28:53 huh Aug 22 11:29:30 you can't flash the eMMC without flashing the fiasco Aug 22 11:30:04 ~wake MohammadAG Aug 22 11:30:05 * infobot throws a barrel-full of ice water on MohammadAG and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" Aug 22 11:30:16 good bye all Aug 22 11:30:36 illegal instruction = problem related to the CPU right? Aug 22 11:30:37 lcuk: i'll do vanilla flash too, and see if it's better Aug 22 11:30:46 what the... Aug 22 11:30:52 vanilla = eMMC Aug 22 11:32:09 MohammadAG: did this chane recently? :-P Aug 22 11:32:12 ? Aug 22 11:32:19 yannux: nm Aug 22 11:32:41 yannux: MohammadAG forgot his glasses Aug 22 11:32:43 DocScrutinizer51, no, he mentioned he's reflashing the kernel, then the eMMC, then the vanilla Aug 22 11:32:56 nope he didn't Aug 22 11:33:26 emmc isn't same as vanilla? Aug 22 11:33:32 yes, first kernel without -R and after the emmc lcuk: i'll do vanilla flash too, and see if it's better Aug 22 11:33:34 yes it is Aug 22 11:33:37 eMMC = vanilla Aug 22 11:33:48 ok yes :) Aug 22 11:33:48 so what? Aug 22 11:34:08 my bad english perhaps we didn't understand Aug 22 11:34:12 ~wake MohammadAG again Aug 22 11:34:13 * infobot throws a barrel-full of ice water on MohammadAG again and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" Aug 22 11:34:52 do that once more and you'll have a nuke vising germany :P Aug 22 11:34:59 visiting* Aug 22 11:35:51 read your backscroll, will improve your trolling performance :-D Aug 22 11:36:33 lol Aug 22 11:36:45 MohammadAG: yannux used vanilla and eMMC as synonyms Aug 22 11:36:56 they are synonyms lol Aug 22 11:37:04 hey guys Aug 22 11:37:12 wow, laptop stutters more than the N900 now Aug 22 11:37:13 yes and everybody is aware of that Aug 22 11:37:14 hey technomike Aug 22 11:43:16 i found out about some really cool thermoplastic stuff last night Aug 22 11:43:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzghjRrZZws Aug 22 11:43:16 for making prototype mouldings of stuff Aug 22 11:43:16 http://www.tomps.com/shop/polymorph-thermoplastic-250g-p-208.html Aug 22 11:43:39 MohammadAG: hihi laptop - uninstall PA shit and smile Aug 22 11:43:47 * lcuk has ordered some and will try making a portrait stand for n900 Aug 22 11:44:15 DocScrutinizer, and what's an alternative to that? Aug 22 11:44:35 learn to love stuttering audio? :-P Aug 22 11:44:45 that = pulseaudio lol Aug 22 11:44:56 aah Aug 22 11:45:02 ALSA of course Aug 22 11:45:56 had an accident with my n900 and now the right speaker isn't working. do i take it to a mobile repair shop? Aug 22 11:46:00 like it's been since ~10y until some gross guru decided to shove PA down everybodies throat Aug 22 11:46:13 again! Aug 22 11:46:40 technomike: not any shop Aug 22 11:46:45 technomike: nokia approved Aug 22 11:46:50 ah Aug 22 11:47:05 so nokia service point Aug 22 11:47:08 technomike: otherwise they may just fuck it up Aug 22 11:47:09 check your power button when they send it back :P Aug 22 11:47:25 hehe Aug 22 11:47:35 check power button? wtf lol Aug 22 11:47:56 and also take a picture of screen from side, so when they make ditches to it you can complain Aug 22 11:48:20 they scratched yours? Aug 22 11:48:36 It has a slight "hill" Aug 22 11:49:14 they obviously somewhat forced the new LCD main PCB into the upper half Aug 22 11:49:42 well, i would just go to them with paper that i gave them a phone with no scratches on screen Aug 22 11:49:51 or scratches here and there Aug 22 11:50:08 signature and data Aug 22 11:50:11 date* Aug 22 11:50:18 if they scratched it more then it's their problem Aug 22 11:50:20 better do a video of the dude in shop inspecting the device :-) Aug 22 11:51:03 MohammadAG: For your new pulseaudio package, which module needs to be modified in order to use it with the stock kernel? Aug 22 11:51:51 new pulseaudio eh? Aug 22 11:52:06 does that fix the glitching audio when multitasking Aug 22 11:52:06 new pulseaudio! Aug 22 11:52:07 technomike: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60788 Aug 22 11:52:14 does it not run now? Aug 22 11:52:28 that's the only improvement i can think of Aug 22 11:52:30 kerio: yes but only with the power kernel Aug 22 11:53:18 >>Hello! I have figured out that you have an available job. I am quiet intrested in it. So I send you my resume, Looking forward to your reply. Thank you.<< attachment: My_Resume_ID478.zip Aug 22 11:53:24 MUHAHAHA Aug 22 11:53:32 finally then!!!! no more stuttering!! Aug 22 11:54:18 thanks mohammadAG Aug 22 11:54:38 you're welcome :) Aug 22 11:54:41 DocScrutinizer: P.S. the password for the zip file is "viruscheckpassed" Aug 22 11:54:49 LOL Aug 22 11:54:51 btw, what I gathered is that the newest package doesn't stutter at all Aug 22 11:54:55 and thanks tobis87 for link Aug 22 11:55:13 the one I hosted is not the newest one Aug 22 11:55:23 that one is locked down in the depths of maemo.org Aug 22 11:55:54 nokia.com? Aug 22 11:56:36 i'm still curious about this photo: http://junk.kegetys.net/mobile_gaming.jpg what app and setup is that? Aug 22 11:57:29 Kegetys, perhaps you would be best to answer that for pigeon Aug 22 11:57:30 special LOL for >>I am quiet intrested<< Aug 22 11:58:20 DocScrutinizer: it must be a real person then, with typos :) Aug 22 11:59:17 ah... kegetys.net, i should have known... Aug 22 11:59:33 i want a pr1.3 with bugfixes :( Aug 22 11:59:51 lol will that ever come out? Aug 22 12:00:46 psycho_oreos: tomorrow Aug 22 12:01:02 DocScrutinizer, pr1.3? world release?!?! Aug 22 12:01:18 holy cow I am so far behind the times heh Aug 22 12:01:49 sure, called harmattan MH Aug 22 12:02:11 MohammadAG: So the locked down package, is it a official package and will it be availible in pr1.3? Aug 22 12:02:17 ~pr1.3 Aug 22 12:02:18 pr1.3 is probably a ban'able subject now..... Aug 22 12:02:31 yes, if that's available Aug 22 12:02:36 nokia.com? no Aug 22 12:05:03 oh no... :( its another one of those times where I feel like such a noob. But its a learning step so yeah... just installed kernel-power and typed wget then the address of all.tar.gz Aug 22 12:05:12 now! to install that Aug 22 12:05:36 what do i do? apt-get install ? Aug 22 12:06:50 eummm Aug 22 12:07:07 technomike: You have not just installed the power kernel, only because of the pulseaudio fix? The power kernel causes much more trouble, than having the sound shuttering. Aug 22 12:08:16 oh no!!! I did not realise. Aug 22 12:08:24 technomike: apt-get install gtar; gtar xfz all.tar.gz; dpkg -i *.deb Aug 22 12:08:44 So you don't reccommend the power kernel? Aug 22 12:09:00 tobis87, like what? Aug 22 12:09:08 if you don't OC, it shouldn't cause problems Aug 22 12:10:45 technomike: I think the power kernel is bloated. For troubles e.g. the fcam-driver or the modules in extra-devel. Aug 22 12:11:30 MohammadAG: It also removes the 125mhz step. Aug 22 12:11:42 by default? Aug 22 12:11:53 actually Aug 22 12:12:01 fcam-drivers was sorted by the fcam team Aug 22 12:12:07 I think it works on all kernels atm Aug 22 12:12:54 MohammadAG: Yes, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=597703&postcount=141 Aug 22 12:14:41 so it doesn't run at 125? Aug 22 12:14:58 he removed 125MHz Aug 22 12:15:01 that's unstable Aug 22 12:15:05 and not in the stock kernel Aug 22 12:15:57 I can't see how removing 125MHz issue would be really problematic, I am using power kernel now and talking through VoIP with bluetooth headset and I can see via conky that the CPU is using 500MHz Aug 22 12:16:36 sure maybe power usage would be pretty piss poor considering the ARM is working its ass off but I'm sure it wouldn't be all that bad Aug 22 12:17:16 lcuk: flash done, but sms display seems always slow :s but there is only one contact to display :s Aug 22 12:17:43 make a video? Aug 22 12:17:51 see if others agree Aug 22 12:17:59 ok Aug 22 12:18:23 using load applet video function is good ? Aug 22 12:18:26 psycho_oreos: Maybe, but if something is not working, it would be hard to pinpoint if it was caused by the kernel or by the application. Aug 22 12:20:53 tobis87, partially true Aug 22 12:22:05 psycho_oreos: He modified all sort of things in the power kernel. The diff between the stock and the power has a size of 4MB. Aug 22 12:23:24 tobis87, you mean between the normal titan's power kernel and tobis's power kernel ontop of titan's? Aug 22 12:26:22 psycho_oreos: No, between the nokia's stock kernel and the titan's power kernel. I only modify kernel modules for myself, the only stuff I have taken from the titan kernel was the wifi monitor patch. Aug 22 12:27:43 tobis87, ahh ok fair enough Aug 22 12:30:05 awesome, ninja bread men http://thedailywh.at/post/979316514/kickass-cookie-cutters-of-the-day-coming-soon Aug 22 12:33:29 yannux: never worked for me Aug 22 12:34:01 ah ? it's running here Aug 22 12:36:50 when i go to Downlod in application manager , it's very slow too before displaying application categories Aug 22 12:37:28 Download* Aug 22 12:37:49 yannux: amazing. I always got black screen video Aug 22 12:38:02 maybe should give it another try Aug 22 12:41:00 DocScrutinizer: hum not goo to do vidéo with it, it's running faster than real Aug 22 12:41:29 good Aug 22 12:41:54 lcuk: I'l try to do a video soon, video from N900 playing too fast, Aug 22 12:42:02 at least it actually does something now for me :-) Aug 22 12:42:05 then use a normal camera Aug 22 12:42:11 seems that load applet do many screenshot Aug 22 12:42:16 don't have one Aug 22 12:42:18 or is the problme not as big as you think Aug 22 12:43:03 perhaps is not big, but is very disapointing me Aug 22 12:43:21 once I've another camera I'll do it Aug 22 12:43:23 lcuk: do wideo with frontcam + mirror? :-D Aug 22 12:43:42 :D Aug 22 12:44:16 this is when I have one contact sms or 3, 4 more.. Aug 22 12:45:33 yannux, this is why i am interested in seeing it Aug 22 12:45:41 i want to know which expectation is broken Aug 22 12:46:02 seems that it's slow to load old message thats are displayed before Aug 22 12:46:11 I'll try to do it soon Aug 22 12:46:58 what exactly are you doing? contact sms? Aug 22 12:47:39 sms with 3 or more contact Aug 22 12:48:02 but with 1 contact, sometimes it's slow too for displaying the windows Aug 22 12:48:41 I don't get what's a sms with a contact Aug 22 12:48:54 sending sms Aug 22 12:49:07 I know sms and I know contacts Aug 22 12:49:15 tchating by sms with many contact or one Aug 22 12:49:31 contact= people for me :) Aug 22 12:49:37 sms are subsumed in conversations Aug 22 12:49:52 sending to one or more people Aug 22 12:49:54 sms are often slow to display Aug 22 12:50:18 eeew multi-addressee sms Aug 22 12:50:28 never tested that Aug 22 12:50:41 no, one by one Aug 22 12:52:02 well, normal conversations works rather snappy here Aug 22 12:53:23 oh :s perhaps it's me but sometime it runs quickly, sometimes slowly. :s Aug 22 12:53:35 might be related to most of the threads in conversations are not addressed to addrbook contacts, with avatar and all that Aug 22 12:54:27 also to me it seems your device is running into massive swapping Aug 22 12:55:13 New 8-Bit Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TrmDfsJFhg Aug 22 12:56:00 yes I was thinking that there is many thread, but here after the flashing, only threads with one people, arround 10 sms, sometimes slow to display Aug 22 12:58:49 Khertan, so your packager can now give out debs or rpms? Aug 22 12:58:57 in a "semi standard" working manner? Aug 22 13:00:08 what's worse than a kill -9? Aug 22 13:00:44 kill -chainsaw Aug 22 13:00:55 lcuk rpm isn't working well yet :) Aug 22 13:01:05 Khertan, good to know you are looking anyway :) Aug 22 13:01:07 just type "kill -9 1" :P Aug 22 13:01:24 MohammadAG51, as root on a server, kill random people's processes with -11 Aug 22 13:01:42 sudo kill -9 -1 Aug 22 13:01:43 that's mean Aug 22 13:02:17 lcuk, and i'm specially looking how to generate package for OBS ... Aug 22 13:02:41 ShadowJK: that's nasty Aug 22 13:03:26 just type "kill -9 1" :P Aug 22 13:03:27 lol Aug 22 13:03:29 jacekowski, it's true BOFH Aug 22 13:03:33 i wouldn't fall for that xD Aug 22 13:03:36 DocScrutinizer: yes oftent big swapping Aug 22 13:04:58 root@mohammad-laptop:~# kill -11 975 Aug 22 13:04:58 often* Aug 22 13:04:59 root@mohammad-laptop:~# kill -11 975 Aug 22 13:05:02 root@mohammad-laptop:~# Aug 22 13:05:19 ShadowJK, nope, it's not dying Aug 22 13:05:30 MohammadAG51: i'm no longer cruel enough to suggest it if i thought you would :P Aug 22 13:05:47 lol Aug 22 13:05:58 i might suggest you join channel #2,000 still though Aug 22 13:06:01 it would just kill the laptop till i reboot :P Aug 22 13:06:03 LOL Aug 22 13:06:10 #2,0 works :P Aug 22 13:06:18 anything ,0 does Aug 22 13:06:25 i know xD Aug 22 13:06:38 btw, i think it doesn't do anything on irssi Aug 22 13:06:49 it's not client, it's server Aug 22 13:06:56 joining channel 0 is part of the irc rfc Aug 22 13:08:06 so Aug 22 13:08:14 anything better than kill -11? Aug 22 13:08:21 before i kill 1 Aug 22 13:08:46 -9 should always work, if it doesn't, that's it... must be hung on an io call that you just need to wait out (or reboot) Aug 22 13:09:22 in times where sigint doesn't work, sigquit can Aug 22 13:09:29 (sometimes) Aug 22 13:10:08 lol init isn't dying Aug 22 13:10:54 you're going to kill init?? o.O Aug 22 13:11:08 [#0] Welcome to #0 - the channel that shouldn't exist... Aug 22 13:11:35 Khertan, join 0, not #0 :P Aug 22 13:11:37 not "#0", just "0" Aug 22 13:11:38 it does exist though :P Aug 22 13:12:00 you're going to kill init?? o.O Aug 22 13:12:02 why not Aug 22 13:12:15 lol Aug 22 13:12:25 joining "#2,0" works because the rfc says you can join multiple channels in one statement, comma separated Aug 22 13:12:37 so "join #2,0" says to join #2 and 0 Aug 22 13:12:40 0 is close all channels Aug 22 13:12:46 yep i see :) Aug 22 13:12:53 #o,0 is a bit subtle Aug 22 13:14:10 yay Aug 22 13:14:15 kill -11 1 worked Aug 22 13:14:18 where is the file that stores the PATH variable? I remember it was in /etc somewhere but the name of the file escapes me Aug 22 13:14:32 /etc/profile Aug 22 13:14:41 ieatlint, thanks! Aug 22 13:14:46 although you may have a file in your homedir that also modifies it Aug 22 13:15:01 (eg, for bash, ~/.bash_profile which is run after /etc/profile ) Aug 22 13:22:27 sigsegv init Aug 22 13:22:32 * DocScrutinizer shakes head Aug 22 13:23:50 MohammadAG51: why don't you use telinit? Aug 22 13:24:44 if you want to see something funny, load http://www.google.com/search?q=οraclе Aug 22 13:25:25 unicode o and e Aug 22 13:25:30 not a real o Aug 22 13:26:11 :P Aug 22 13:33:10 http://www.google.com/search?q=gοοglе Aug 22 13:34:08 DocScrutinizer, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=google Aug 22 13:34:09 8 vs 1.470.000.000 Aug 22 13:36:28 Termana: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gοοglе Aug 22 13:37:37 Termana: so what exactly was it you planned to tell me? Aug 22 13:38:41 LOL - I can't believe Google/lmgtfy is so bad that some searches for google don't even show google Aug 22 13:38:59 DocScrutinizer, this one then - http://lmgtfy.com/?q=google&l=1 :P Aug 22 13:39:22 Termana: http://gοοglе.com Aug 22 13:39:26 I can't believe how much of a noob Termana is xD Aug 22 13:40:47 I didn't realise how much MohammadAG wanted to be knocked over the head with a tin can on a string Aug 22 13:40:49 Derp Aug 22 13:40:59 :p Aug 22 13:41:34 might consider to create a new user account on tmo :-P Aug 22 13:42:06 joerg_ro Aug 22 13:42:12 DocScrutinizer, a roll account? Aug 22 13:42:12 read only Aug 22 13:42:20 MohammadAG, :P Aug 22 13:42:33 what, he's rw now :p Aug 22 13:42:47 thought more about jοеrg Aug 22 13:43:10 joerg_rw's k, why create a new account Aug 22 13:43:10 if you want to see a real glitch with google, load https://google.com Aug 22 13:43:20 then tell me if you're on ssl or not Aug 22 13:43:20 DocScrutinizer, maybe you could use "DocScrutinizer" Aug 22 13:43:44 ugh, enough with google, go play pacman or something http://www.google.com/pacman/ Aug 22 13:44:01 Termana, he can PM a supermod/admin and have the name changed Aug 22 13:44:14 ieatlint, you're not... did you check the address bar when you visited Aug 22 13:44:14 ieatlint, not ssl Aug 22 13:44:40 yeah, that's my point Aug 22 13:44:47 https://www.google.com will work Aug 22 13:44:57 I mean, did you really expect Google to just decide "hey, lets give people an invalid url page when they they try this" Aug 22 13:44:59 but their redirect from google.com will always strip ssl Aug 22 13:45:50 ieatlint, would it make you feel better if they pretended search was with ssl when you went to https? Aug 22 13:45:58 ieatlint: prolly intentional Aug 22 13:46:16 Termana: search is with ssl if you go to https://www.google.com Aug 22 13:46:47 ieatlint, not for me Aug 22 13:47:14 even one of my mail providers does that sorta shit for each and every link on their webmailer site Aug 22 13:47:18 Termana: then something is wrong, it should load an ssl page with a google doodle that says "ssl" and "beta" Aug 22 13:47:33 ieatlint, must be a US only thing Aug 22 13:47:37 DocScrutinizer: it was added after a lot of pleas by the eff and other organisations, and in contact with them Aug 22 13:47:59 The Australia site doesn't do it Aug 22 13:48:09 weird Aug 22 13:48:11 Termana: WFM Aug 22 13:48:34 it's supposed to be more for non-US peoples Aug 22 13:48:48 If I force it to go to the US site, it works for me. Aug 22 13:48:56 But Australia has obviously not been included Aug 22 13:48:57 the idea was people in restrictive places, where they could hide their search queries from anyone potentially watching Aug 22 13:49:29 What does that tell you about the US? Aug 22 13:49:35 compared to Australia Aug 22 13:49:37 :P Aug 22 13:49:53 that australia hates porn, especially women with small breasts Aug 22 13:50:10 perfectly sane rationale for things like https://google.com/?q=mao%20bastard Aug 22 13:50:32 ieatlint, I was actually waiting for someone to say something about any potential australian internet filter Aug 22 13:54:17 well, you can get idea about search queries based on referes send to sites that you open Aug 22 13:54:57 true, and also based on what you actually load Aug 22 13:55:05 like maosucks.com after google Aug 22 13:55:11 still, a step in the right direction :P Aug 22 13:58:06 LOL @ hildon-desktop's code Aug 22 13:58:13 I love the devs' song choice Aug 22 13:58:14 /* Fade to black ((c) Metallica) */ Aug 22 13:58:40 hello all Aug 22 13:58:55 lo wazd Aug 22 13:59:27 Stskeeps: so many designers are already doing talks :) Aug 22 13:59:40 wazd: really? Aug 22 14:00:13 Stskeeps: http://conference2010.meego.com/session/design-open Aug 22 14:01:12 http://conference2010.meego.com/session/10-tips-mobile-web-design Aug 22 14:01:36 * slonopotamus gets flooded by comments on bug 9314 Aug 22 14:01:38 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314 relicense N8x0 BME Aug 22 14:02:22 i'm pondering to remove myself from CC as n8x0 is no way in hell it's getting opened Aug 22 14:02:40 and any progress on it was ruined by luke-jr's sudden change to n900 Aug 22 14:02:43 er, n8x0 Aug 22 14:03:05 in that case it really IS Nokia's fault :P Aug 22 14:03:16 original name was 'relicense BME' Aug 22 14:03:25 Yes - the original name wasn't inapproprate Aug 22 14:03:31 and the discussion seemed positive. Aug 22 14:03:40 Well - some of it Aug 22 14:03:46 things are changing a little bit, i mean, BME is going redistributable Aug 22 14:03:48 changing title diddn't IMO contribute Aug 22 14:03:58 for n900, at least Aug 22 14:04:20 which fwiw was what i said was best case scenario back then Aug 22 14:04:23 'Priority MEDIUM since it's not a blocker, but I propose placing BME under a Aug 22 14:04:23 license that allows binary redistribution and having that as goal. It's up for Aug 22 14:04:23 discussion though if there's better ideas, keeping all the above in mind. Aug 22 14:04:24 ' Aug 22 14:04:30 relicensing N900 BME doesn't accomplish anything much Aug 22 14:04:33 sure it does Aug 22 14:04:38 Nokia only seems to relicense useless code Aug 22 14:04:42 Stskeeps: and even http://conference2010.meego.com/session/creating-slick-user-interfaces-using-qt-choosing-right-technology-your-app Aug 22 14:04:44 :) Aug 22 14:04:52 wazd: i still think you have a niche Aug 22 14:04:52 :P Aug 22 14:05:10 Stskeeps: how? sounds from IRC chatter that N900 BME is pointless and easily replacable Aug 22 14:05:27 luke-jr: still, no installable solution Aug 22 14:05:28 wazd is just making excuses Aug 22 14:05:29 either way Aug 22 14:05:30 :P Aug 22 14:05:34 Stskeeps: yet Aug 22 14:05:39 wazd: do they get points for cutting off the Intel logo on their sign? :) Aug 22 14:05:39 luke-jr: yeah but having the source or at least the specifications of the bl5j allows us to make a real, guaranteed-to-work-except-not-because-of-the-gpl replacement Aug 22 14:05:42 Stskeeps: I can meet all those people in the airport though :D Aug 22 14:05:47 it reads 'ntel Aug 22 14:05:52 it's sunday, sunny, and all of you are idiots for not having a cold beer instead of ircing Aug 22 14:05:55 :P Aug 22 14:05:57 bbl Aug 22 14:06:22 Stskeeps: who says i don't have a cold beer here? Aug 22 14:06:28 i mean, i don't, but i don't drink Aug 22 14:06:49 Who says I don'e either. Aug 22 14:06:50 timeless_mbp: who exactly? :) Aug 22 14:06:55 Though I don't drink also. Aug 22 14:07:24 Stskeeps: the only reason I haven't bothered to make a workable daemon based on that script I found is because jrBME is doing a real one already Aug 22 14:07:33 luke-jr, I think making software charge the battery is crappy full stop. Shouldn't need to argue the merits of how good/bad BME is Aug 22 14:07:54 Termana: indeed… it has to use battery to charge battery :P Aug 22 14:07:59 wazd: http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/meego-ntel.png Aug 22 14:08:18 and this differentiation nonsense and "everyone else is going to do the same thing" nonsense… Aug 22 14:08:30 not a SINGLE non-Nokia device to my knowledge has a closed battery charger daemon Aug 22 14:08:41 I certainly hope they're not going to push things in that direction Aug 22 14:08:48 that's open->closed, not closed->open Aug 22 14:09:11 making formerly open things into closed things would make Nokia a direct enemy of free software Aug 22 14:09:28 so we can insult them? awesome Aug 22 14:09:34 timeless_mbp: aw :) Well, I think designer was more worried about showing beer than intel logo :P Aug 22 14:09:34 timeless_mbp, get a bigger screen. If your talking about the one on the MeeGo site, it shows fine for me Aug 22 14:09:43 wazd, :P Aug 22 14:10:04 Termana: wtf Aug 22 14:10:31 my window is >800px Aug 22 14:10:31 converting a dvd for the n900 to watch it on the tv because we have no dvd player... feels good man Aug 22 14:10:36 that's more px than my n900 has Aug 22 14:10:46 Termana: in fact sponsor's logo should be visible at any circumstances Aug 22 14:11:10 wazd, Nokia's logo shows fine. Thats all that matters right? Aug 22 14:11:12 Kidding :P Aug 22 14:11:12 in fact, i had about 1040 px wide Aug 22 14:11:19 that's >1024px Aug 22 14:11:26 which is another *standard* screen size Aug 22 14:11:49 timeless_mbp, I'm on 1280 x 1024 and it shows fine for me Aug 22 14:12:12 pigeon: its dosbox running stunt island Aug 22 14:12:35 dosbox is the best (only) good reason for an x86 core to exist :P Aug 22 14:13:28 delta, how? Aug 22 14:13:44 termana: how what? Aug 22 14:13:55 delta, did your n900 break Aug 22 14:14:04 termana: gcc. Aug 22 14:16:35 I have no idea why he decided he would leave here and continue his N900 broken discussion in ##linux Aug 22 14:16:44 timeless_mbp: 17" macbook pro? Aug 22 14:17:36 my browser window is 1330px wide as of now Aug 22 14:17:38 :D Aug 22 14:18:02 use proper OSs for god sake :D Aug 22 14:18:24 15" i think Aug 22 14:18:31 timeless_mbp: heh, small Aug 22 14:19:22 you really consider a 17" model a laptop? Aug 22 14:19:28 15" YOU THINK? "Yeah, I got this Macbook Pro. Screen size? Oh well, I don't know, I brought it cause of the shiny apple logo" Aug 22 14:19:36 well, i bought it to replace an imac Aug 22 14:19:41 it's not really a laptop Aug 22 14:19:45 but it's definetely portable Aug 22 14:19:50 i bought it to get rid of full disk encryption and Nokia Windows Aug 22 14:19:53 and by portable i mean i can use it while laying down on my bed Aug 22 14:19:57 (not to be confused w/ Microsoft Windows) Aug 22 14:20:46 yours is ~1.5lbs heavier... Aug 22 14:21:05 it's portable in the sense that i can carry it with me Aug 22 14:21:07 this reporter on BBC is showing off Aug 22 14:21:09 in a bag Aug 22 14:21:14 and i can use it on my bed Aug 22 14:21:18 he's saying the name of the volcano in iceland Aug 22 14:21:28 (again, and again, and again) Aug 22 14:22:56 something more than 13" is DTR imo :) Aug 22 14:23:27 www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=DTR ? Aug 22 14:24:16 timeless_mbp: meh :) Aug 22 14:24:32 timeless_mbp: desktop replacement :) Aug 22 14:24:34 timeless_mbp, does that seem to fit the sentence? Aug 22 14:24:36 one of the hits was NSFW Aug 22 14:24:47 Termana: none of the hits did Aug 22 14:24:58 would you prefer the NSFW link? Aug 22 14:25:03 (hint: you don't) Aug 22 14:25:10 timeless_mbp, you obviously are low on Google fu Aug 22 14:25:19 nah, low on sleep Aug 22 14:25:31 timeless_mbp: Drunk Texter's Remorse fits well :) Aug 22 14:26:15 desktop replacement is what my mbp is Aug 22 14:26:33 although it does have a comically long-lasting battery Aug 22 14:27:05 If it ran an OS worthy of being a desktop OS, then you could call it a desktop replacement Aug 22 14:27:21 kerio: it's too heavy to be 'really' portable Aug 22 14:27:41 kerio: you can take it with you in a bag of course :) Aug 22 14:27:52 define portable Aug 22 14:27:55 i can carry it around Aug 22 14:28:06 i can't do that easily with a desktop Aug 22 14:28:06 timeless_mbp, kerio, please enlighten me - for what exact reason do you use OS X, over say - Linux? Aug 22 14:28:15 We don't need to discuss the merits of using it over Windows Aug 22 14:28:16 :P Aug 22 14:28:30 Termana: my macbook pro gives me a hardon Aug 22 14:28:32 Termana: i'd use *anything* over linux Aug 22 14:28:38 kerio: Thing that you can take with you without any difficulties Aug 22 14:28:46 but really, corporate policy says: Aug 22 14:29:00 if you laptop isn't running mac os x, it needs full disk encryption Aug 22 14:29:03 Termana: not a real hardon, mind you Aug 22 14:29:09 timeless_mbp: huh? what about linux? Aug 22 14:29:17 the policy for os x says "you can use filevault for your home drive" Aug 22 14:29:25 kerio: why should linux be special? Aug 22 14:29:32 why should os x be special? Aug 22 14:29:36 it still needs full disk encryption Aug 22 14:29:39 kerio: 3 kg is kinda heavy even for a trained man :) Aug 22 14:29:41 kerio, I was about to say " 'nuff said" about it giving you a hard on but ok Aug 22 14:29:48 :P Aug 22 14:29:57 kerio: they trust os x to stick documents into the ~/Documents folder which is encrypted? Aug 22 14:30:07 i wouldn't trust linux to do that Aug 22 14:30:16 * timeless_mbp shrugs Aug 22 14:30:21 Why would you trust OS X to do that, when you can save them anywhere? Aug 22 14:30:21 what? Aug 22 14:30:22 asking why policy says X is stupid Aug 22 14:30:27 why wouldn't trust linux to do that? Aug 22 14:30:30 Termana: you can't Aug 22 14:30:36 you can only save files in ~ Aug 22 14:30:37 mounting /home on a truecrypt disk is not hard Aug 22 14:30:41 which is encrypted Aug 22 14:30:50 kerio: not an option per policy Aug 22 14:30:53 arguing w/ policy is stupid Aug 22 14:31:00 timeless_mbp: what? you can save documents everywhere Aug 22 14:31:08 kerio: not w/o being root Aug 22 14:31:13 and you aren't root on os x Aug 22 14:31:26 well, i could save a file to /tmp Aug 22 14:31:29 that's useful.. Aug 22 14:31:35 i can create a file on / without the system asking for a password Aug 22 14:31:36 and i'm not root Aug 22 14:31:47 Swap is encrypted timeless_mbp? Aug 22 14:31:53 SpeedEvil: it is Aug 22 14:32:00 it's always encrypted, i thought Aug 22 14:32:04 kerio, must be why its so slow Aug 22 14:32:07 :D Aug 22 14:32:13 no, maybe not Aug 22 14:32:18 only when you enable filevault Aug 22 14:33:37 kerio, but you still haven't given a real reason for your usage. timeless_mbp has been excused from his sin, due to corporate policy. Aug 22 14:33:47 Tell us truthfully, do you have a man-crush on Steve Jobs Aug 22 14:34:03 i kinda do Aug 22 14:34:17 but seriously, the mbp is a slick piece of ass^Whardware Aug 22 14:34:29 and os x is good Aug 22 14:35:16 also, team fortress 2 Aug 22 14:37:17 i was using osx for couple days Aug 22 14:37:22 and well, never again Aug 22 14:37:31 maclaptop maybe Aug 22 14:37:40 but i'll probably buy sony as my next laptop Aug 22 14:37:49 why? :( Aug 22 14:37:50 I want to buy lenovo. Aug 22 14:37:57 And get them to make 4:3 laptops again. Aug 22 14:38:08 Can anyone spare several hundred million? Aug 22 14:38:21 it's not that expensive Aug 22 14:38:43 os x is kewl Aug 22 14:38:55 kerio: why osx sucks or why sony? Aug 22 14:39:00 why os x sucks Aug 22 14:39:03 and also why sony Aug 22 14:40:31 because it changes my ways of using pc Aug 22 14:40:37 buttons on left side Aug 22 14:40:37 well, duh Aug 22 14:40:41 it's another os Aug 22 14:40:43 bar on top of the screen Aug 22 14:40:47 and you don't use buttons Aug 22 14:40:51 you use keyboard shortcuts Aug 22 14:40:55 so if i have small window i have to click on that bar Aug 22 14:41:12 no X Aug 22 14:41:19 and why sony Aug 22 14:41:20 i wonder what's the last time i actually used a title bar button Aug 22 14:41:25 and there's X Aug 22 14:41:36 because i had different laptops so far Aug 22 14:41:47 jacekowski, when was your last use of OS X? There is an X button :P Aug 22 14:41:56 Although it only closes the window - not the app Aug 22 14:42:00 oh, not x11 Aug 22 14:42:03 windows' X Aug 22 14:42:08 X11 Aug 22 14:42:26 There's X11 available for OS X Aug 22 14:42:28 and going back to why sony Aug 22 14:42:44 i had sony laptops Aug 22 14:42:46 compaq Aug 22 14:42:47 jacekowski: /Applications/Utilities/X11.app Aug 22 14:42:48 hp Aug 22 14:42:57 asus Aug 22 14:42:59 and i think X autostarts if you ssh -X or something Aug 22 14:43:09 and so far sony was most reliable Aug 22 14:43:13 I think my Dell XPS M1530 is pretty awesome, even for a two year old model :) Aug 22 14:43:17 and it took the most abuse Aug 22 14:43:41 Only issue _I've_ had is having to replace the keyboard after I spilt a load of water on it about a month back Aug 22 14:44:09 and besides, decent mac costs about 30% more than same sony laptop Aug 22 14:44:21 anybody seen achipa ? Aug 22 14:44:25 how much for a sony laptop with a fullhd 17" with 8 hours of battery life? Aug 22 14:44:26 and that's 30% that i could spent on bitches or something Aug 22 14:44:39 Or now an N900 :) Aug 22 14:45:01 kerio: i don't need laptop for watching movies Aug 22 14:45:03 i am getting a new laptop soon Aug 22 14:45:22 kerio, just wondering, how can you have a man crush on someone that doesn't change their clothes? Aug 22 14:45:41 asus eeepc 1215n . despite being a netbook. its powerful. Aug 22 14:47:15 Anyone compiled madde from scratch? Aug 22 14:47:39 kerio: i7 8G of ram under 1k Aug 22 14:48:40 jacekowski: battery? weight? Aug 22 14:49:29 3.1kg Aug 22 14:49:54 190minutes Aug 22 14:50:04 on standard battery Aug 22 14:50:06 lol 2 hours Aug 22 14:50:14 3h Aug 22 14:50:19 over 3h Aug 22 14:50:27 over 3h = 2h if you're lucky Aug 22 14:50:35 lol, can your maclaptop do that much? Aug 22 14:51:02 about 6 Aug 22 14:51:06 (marked as 8) Aug 22 14:51:18 6h doing what? Aug 22 14:51:18 i shit you not Aug 22 14:51:46 Mind you, that 3 hours is rated with cock-mongering Windows running Aug 22 14:52:24 jacekowski: meh, stuff Aug 22 14:52:29 well, on my old sony i can play world of warcraft for example Aug 22 14:52:32 irc, web browsing, movies Aug 22 14:52:45 for about 2h30m Aug 22 14:52:48 games drain the battery a bit more, but it's still more than 3h Aug 22 14:52:54 and it's marked as 200 minutes Aug 22 14:54:00 so well, it's only 25% off from rated time Aug 22 14:54:06 on battery that's 2 years old Aug 22 15:39:20 does the webdave sharing plugin work for anybody> Aug 22 15:45:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wGy9_rc8dU&feature=player_embedded#! Aug 22 15:48:40 I'm having an issue with package libsdl-ttf2.0 Aug 22 15:48:42 install fails Aug 22 15:48:59 dpkg error processing Aug 22 15:53:29 Heh .. webdave .. Aug 22 16:07:36 epic! my right speaker in my n900 has started working again :S Aug 22 16:09:17 the only ones who care are nokia care Aug 22 16:10:00 i was going to have to send it to nokia care Aug 22 16:10:06 but luckily its ok now Aug 22 16:10:11 huh... Aug 22 16:10:12 The default mediaplayer on N900 can't play AAC files? Aug 22 16:10:19 n900-dk: it can, surely? Aug 22 16:10:19 :o Aug 22 16:10:37 it uses the DSP too Aug 22 16:10:39 maybe it's the container Aug 22 16:11:46 n900-dk: it uses gstreamer Aug 22 16:11:55 whatever gstreamer supports, it does Aug 22 16:12:04 weird, it goes to the app-switcher, when I press the play button Aug 22 16:12:05 Hi Aug 22 16:12:12 and doesn't start playing Aug 22 16:16:32 n900-dk I've had that happen due to the sound subsys being in a bad state. things to try are changing volume, restart media player, reboot. i believe however that it will not play DRM'ed AAC. that may be the issue. If so I'd file a bug,because it should emit a message it could not play due to drm/format Aug 22 16:23:39 okay, it is a podcast, but guess it is ok Aug 22 16:29:17 Are anyone able to play this in the mediaplayer: http://podcast.dr.dk/P1/harddisken/enhanced/harddisken_aac_100818.m4a Aug 22 16:35:49 nope doesn't work Aug 22 16:36:02 just stops straight away Aug 22 16:36:35 ok, thx for trying Aug 22 16:58:45 I'm trying to use the Maemo emulator in Nokia SDK, but the instructions for activating it from QtCreator tell me a) it should be already configured (and it did not seem to be) or b) that I should start Mad Developer in the emulator (and I don't even know how to get to the emulator) Aug 22 16:59:11 Any ideas? Aug 22 17:05:03 hmm, the movie player shows green outside of the move itself Aug 22 17:05:05 movie Aug 22 17:05:10 well, greenish Aug 22 17:06:03 kerio, YUV or whatever it's called Aug 22 17:06:42 the color *does* look good Aug 22 17:07:41 * slonopotamus really wonders why https://garage.maemo.org/projects/jrbme/ still has no code Aug 22 17:08:19 because DocScrutinizer sucks Aug 22 17:08:25 DocScrutinizer: :D :D :D :D :D Aug 22 17:09:05 and i mean that with all the love of the world Aug 22 17:09:38 kerio: do you use Nokia SDK? Aug 22 17:09:45 me? no Aug 22 17:09:57 i can't code in C anyway Aug 22 17:10:04 kerio: C++, usually. Aug 22 17:10:30 Gah, no emulator, and the 'simulator' shows me stuff with desktop widgets Aug 22 17:10:32 whatever Aug 22 17:10:38 i don't do compiled stuff Aug 22 17:10:40 What's wrong with my setup? Aug 22 17:17:28 Jaffa, pong Aug 22 17:18:25 I'd really really appreciate any help/ideas/wild guesses/works-for-me statements for anyone using the latest Nokia SDK Aug 22 17:18:49 kerio, if you set the bitmap memory used for YUV to all 0's, it is that bright green color Aug 22 17:19:04 to get black, you need to set the Y channel to 0, the U and V channels to 128 Aug 22 17:19:21 some graphics cards cheat and use 0,0,0 as black and others dont and its the wrong way ;) Aug 22 17:20:02 lcuk: that's... stupid ._. Aug 22 17:20:07 will i get problems on my tv? Aug 22 17:20:19 or is it another colorspace? Aug 22 17:27:38 This is the error I get from simulator, regardless of the project: http://pastebin.com/2vidy8F6 Aug 22 17:27:52 GeneralAntilles: nothing specific Aug 22 17:37:28 can I use 20 minutes for dublin talk instead of 30?) Aug 22 17:37:45 I can't talk for 30 minutes :) Aug 22 17:38:39 wazd: 10 mins for questions, talk more slowly (almost always appropriate) or finish 5 mins early :) Aug 22 17:41:13 wazd: You can try the pantomime! Aug 22 17:41:21 jaffa: sounds like a plan :) Especially slow talk :D Aug 22 17:41:37 RST38h: :D Aug 22 17:42:30 RST38h: I can sing something too :P Aug 22 17:45:15 sometimes I wish my second name was Castro :D Aug 22 17:52:44 wazd: You like wearing military uniforms in hot tropical climates? Aug 22 17:52:54 Or is it the Cigar? Aug 22 17:54:28 RST38h: Cigar indeed :P Aug 22 17:56:09 Weird: there are TWO sharing-service-picasa packages in the repos Aug 22 17:56:55 One is 1.2.4 by Tero Niemela, another is 1.4.4 by Alexander Bokovoy Aug 22 17:57:06 if you put python files into zip, python doesn't create .pyo/.pyc _anywhere_. isn't it wonderful? :) Aug 22 17:58:36 slonopotamus: this is bad because? Aug 22 17:58:42 (no caching?) Aug 22 17:58:47 this is good Aug 22 17:58:48 RST38h, we met alex at the summit didn't we Aug 22 17:59:04 timeless_mbp: you have a single file to access instead of N*3 Aug 22 18:01:38 wazd: 20min + 10min Q/A Aug 22 18:01:59 wazd: or add more nice stuff to show, or something (not knowing what you will talk about) Aug 22 18:03:59 hey guys. Aug 22 18:04:01 and girls. Aug 22 18:04:15 thresh: o/ Aug 22 18:04:20 any program to count my expenses ong asoline and showing nice graphs? Aug 22 18:04:24 -g Aug 22 18:04:39 used to be fuelpad on older tablets Aug 22 18:04:41 dot? :) Aug 22 18:04:58 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/fuelpad/ Aug 22 18:05:01 gnuplot Aug 22 18:05:39 hey wazd sup? Aug 22 18:05:46 thanks, will check Aug 22 18:08:25 lol gnuplot Aug 22 18:08:57 thinking about Dublin Aug 22 18:09:25 thresh: trying to come up with something to talk about in Dublin :) Aug 22 18:09:42 anyone nearby the conference with a couch and working shower that wants like $100 for a week of couch usage? :P Aug 22 18:10:09 gnuplot is probably a valid answer Aug 22 18:10:10 wazd: nice. going to meego conf? Aug 22 18:10:10 but it's true for... half of the problems in the world Aug 22 18:10:19 how are you going to use that couch? Aug 22 18:10:24 lol Aug 22 18:10:26 I wish someone paid me for flight, I'd come there too :D Aug 22 18:10:27 just for sleeping :P Aug 22 18:11:46 thresh: well, knowing previous years, my will to go is not enough to get there :D Aug 22 18:13:13 wazd: more importantly, have you got the passport> Aug 22 18:18:36 RST38h: yep :) Aug 22 18:19:07 well it's a simple matter of getting enough euros Aug 22 18:21:21 wazd: wowowowow Aug 22 18:29:20 for diablo maemo, where shall i place the root certificate authority that I need to connect, securely, to a wireless network? Aug 22 18:37:41 <_trine> http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/26C3/mp4/26c3-3507-de-fuzzing_the_phone_in_your_phone.mp4 Aug 22 18:38:00 <_trine> interesting Aug 22 18:39:55 _trine: what's that Aug 22 18:41:02 <_trine> its a very interesting lecture about hacking sms unfortunately it uses the Iphone but it wont be far away from the n900 Aug 22 18:42:05 "Hacking sms"? Aug 22 18:42:37 <_trine> sms injecting into the phone system Aug 22 18:43:43 does it hurt? Aug 22 18:43:57 my girlfriend doesn't like injections Aug 22 18:44:33 poor you Aug 22 18:44:39 :DD Aug 22 18:44:39 haha Aug 22 18:45:04 lol Aug 22 18:45:14 * lcuk retracts his comment Aug 22 18:45:39 the connection manager on the n810 references the option to add a certificate but the drop down menu shows "none"; what is the location that it is looking in? Aug 22 18:45:54 yeah, I'm awesome. Aug 22 18:54:24 bummer, I need to figure out how to convert .arm to .cer (if that is possible) Aug 22 19:02:28 <_trine> Well that was a very interesting lecture is anyone else watching it? Aug 22 19:03:25 watching what? Aug 22 19:04:00 <_trine> the link I posted Aug 22 19:04:13 oh, no I saw you post something Aug 22 19:04:20 but it got filtered Aug 22 19:05:13 <_trine> well thats a shame now you wont see it Aug 22 19:05:42 :) and nothing of value was lost. Aug 22 19:06:14 <_trine> not to you :) Aug 22 19:10:26 is there a way to see the current status of the n900 battery while it's charging? Aug 22 19:10:28 Could someone tell me what Nokia SDK's default settings for connecting to the Maemo emulator are? Aug 22 19:11:16 Mine has none, and I'm wondering what I should input there. Aug 22 19:12:02 Lynoure: which "emulator"? Aug 22 19:12:07 and which "nokia sdk"? Aug 22 19:13:57 Lynoure, potentially in the documentations there will be nicescreenshots and settings list? Aug 22 19:14:01 but otherwise, IDK Aug 22 19:14:18 * timeless_mbp sighs Aug 22 19:14:29 my 2 phones both decided having power wasn't important Aug 22 19:14:44 my n81 8g is "special", it has micro usb, but you can't use it for power (!) Aug 22 19:14:58 timeless_mbp, I have full battery, I could sms it over to you Aug 22 19:15:23 thanks :) Aug 22 19:16:29 timeless_mbp: the latest Nokia SDK, from http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html , upgraded with its build-in upgrade tool Aug 22 19:16:52 timeless_mbp: on 32bit Linux, if it makes a difference. Aug 22 19:19:18 sorry, i haven't used that :/ Aug 22 19:19:58 timeless_mbp: if you have used any earlier version that has Maemo emulator settings, I could try with those... Aug 22 19:21:04 i don't think i have anything close enough, i'd personally just install again as long as i had the disk space Aug 22 19:21:10 i tend to use vm's for junk like this :) Aug 22 19:22:07 timeless_mbp: I did, twice. First again as root, then as user. Aug 22 19:22:25 and wiped the settings between both. Aug 22 19:33:44 moin Aug 22 19:44:08 DocScrutinizer: DocScrutinizer51: Around? Aug 22 19:44:43 So far, my N900 is easier to disassemble than my FreeRunner. :) Aug 22 19:45:49 I will note that DocScrutinizer bricked his when dissasembling. Aug 22 19:46:07 Also - the screen screws are torqued hard enough that you should replace. Aug 22 19:46:21 They actually do fail if you try to reuse them. Aug 22 19:47:09 Only fingers + 2 screwdrivers required for N900, no guitar pick like for FreeRunner. :) Aug 22 19:50:35 SpeedEvil: I have not removed the screen screws. I only need to access the motherboard/mainboard to resolder 2 pads for the micro USB socket. Aug 22 19:50:54 ah Aug 22 19:51:02 you have tried nokia care first? Aug 22 19:51:25 SpeedEvil: I assume you mean DocScrutinizer bricked his N900, not his FreeRunner, right? Aug 22 19:53:16 SpeedEvil: No. I do not think they will help me because I did not buy my N900 in USA and I do not live in USA: I live in Canada and bought my N900 from NewEgg.ca. Aug 22 19:54:44 SpeedEvil: And I have already mostly disassembled my N900 without breaking anything AFAICT. :) Aug 22 19:55:31 yes, n900 Aug 22 19:55:42 SpeedEvil: My FreeRunner still works after multiple disassemblies and reassemblies. Aug 22 19:55:53 don't you need those small torx screwdrivers? Aug 22 19:56:02 torx isn't hard to find Aug 22 19:59:05 pupnik_: Yes, I already bought a miniature Torx screwdriver set in 2009 or earlier because I needed the same T6 to disassemble my Palm Z22 PDA after its touchscreen stopped working. Aug 22 20:01:57 SpeedEvil: Do you know how to remove the small board with the microSD card slot so I have easier access to the micro USB socket? Aug 22 20:02:19 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/ Aug 22 20:02:22 may be of use Aug 22 20:05:42 i think nokia care will do his thing anyway Aug 22 20:06:11 the n900 has less than one year of life anyway Aug 22 20:08:14 I plan on being using mine in ~3 years time, unless stuff goes wrong. Aug 22 20:16:22 we aro moving to MeeGo soon huh? Aug 22 20:16:50 no Aug 22 20:21:26 Does facetiousproxy have multiple personalities? Aug 22 20:22:15 brolin_empey: you mean freerunner actually worked, the first time they shipped it? Aug 22 20:22:56 kerio: looks like my internet dropped out for a bit there; why do you say the n900 has less than a year's life? Aug 22 20:27:58 crashanddie: defined "worked" Aug 22 20:33:05 BCMM: I think kerio meant Nokia is planning to replace the N900 with its successor in <1 year. Aug 22 20:37:14 crashanddie: My FreeRunner's hardware works, but I replaced my FreeRunner with my N900 because my FreeRunner user experience was very disappointing. QtMoko was the most usable distro I tried, but I still did not have a usable handset. Aug 22 20:54:16 brolin_empey: but the Freerunner is free Aug 22 20:54:47 BCMM: also, Nokia has a history of dropping support for devices about 6 months before the next is released Aug 22 20:55:09 eww Aug 22 20:55:28 6? bull Aug 22 20:55:37 Stskeeps: more? Aug 22 20:55:56 N810 was dropped January 2009 (or was it 2008?) right after I got mine Aug 22 20:56:08 N900 was released in the fall of the same year Aug 22 20:56:12 hrm Aug 22 20:56:13 :P Aug 22 20:56:33 then again n800 had both os2007 and 2008 Aug 22 20:56:40 Stskeeps: true enough Aug 22 20:56:48 but the difference between N800 and N810 was trivial Aug 22 20:57:09 I suppose that applies to N900 and Harmattan-device Aug 22 20:57:18 n800 was jan 2007, n810 was october 2007 Aug 22 20:57:20 I can't believe they're going to do another OMAP3 Aug 22 20:57:27 ah, that explains it Aug 22 20:58:14 last ssu was december 2008 i think Aug 22 20:58:26 so about a year's lifetime from product announcement Aug 22 21:00:59 luke-jr: Maybe more is different than we expect; although I wonder where it could be beyond screen. RAM is obvious. Aug 22 21:01:29 specs started to appear now? Aug 22 21:04:42 Stskeeps, on the RM-680 / N9? I think we always knew it would be OMAP3, and there have been suggestions of more RAM for a while Aug 22 21:04:47 (: Aug 22 21:05:01 so you might as well just confirm the rumors with your internal knowledge :> Aug 22 21:05:04 i still recall fondly when we tried out the rx-51's in may Aug 22 21:05:16 omap3 and multitouch iirc Aug 22 21:05:40 Stskeeps, about? Aug 22 21:05:52 Stskeeps, and you count from the ANNOUNCEMENT date? Aug 22 21:06:18 it's the standard tick-tock cycle. tick = entirely new architecture. tock = refinement Aug 22 21:06:42 Stskeeps: there's tear-down photos Aug 22 21:06:49 Stskeeps, yeah. I was totally right about it being essentially final hardware, BTW :P Aug 22 21:06:59 Jaffa / luke-jr, OMAP36x. Aug 22 21:07:06 So, could be 1GHz. Aug 22 21:07:10 could be? Aug 22 21:07:13 single core? Aug 22 21:07:25 oi, we just had this same discussion about NOT DISCUSSING SPECULATIVE LEAKED HARDWARE Aug 22 21:07:52 we did? Aug 22 21:07:54 ah, sorry. Was probably asleep at the time Aug 22 21:07:56 luke-jr, define "core". But, OMAP3 is Cortex A8. Aug 22 21:08:00 lcuk, meh. Aug 22 21:08:04 * GAN900 has ops here. Aug 22 21:08:05 GAN900: so pretty much obsolete Aug 22 21:08:10 And I say meh. Aug 22 21:08:11 Well the beagleboard had similar specs as n900, so I'm going to guess it'll be like beagleboard-xm :P Aug 22 21:08:19 luke-jr, some did in #meego, granted it wasnt here but I recognise some faces that were :P Aug 22 21:08:21 ShadowJK++ Aug 22 21:08:31 ShadowJK, except that's not 45nm, is it? Aug 22 21:08:50 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60845 :P Aug 22 21:09:38 well it's 1GHz, dunno Aug 22 21:09:50 that's what Nokia *should* make.. Aug 22 21:09:54 Tapping the close button when MicroB locks scrolling on an arrow key press will make it crash. Aug 22 21:10:15 ShadowJK, yeah, I haven't been paying any attention to the Beagle progress. Aug 22 21:10:15 GAN900: minor bug, since you want it to go away anyhow Aug 22 21:10:32 luke-jr, annoying having to see the banner, though. Aug 22 21:10:48 tbh I've never seen what happens on Maemo when a user app crashes Aug 22 21:10:52 luke-jr, is that the same design as the Zaurus Cxx00 and Cxx0? Aug 22 21:11:05 johnx: I wasn't aware there was a difference. Neither? Aug 22 21:11:23 How's that tilted screen work on the N97? Aug 22 21:11:29 Not thrilled about it for N9. Aug 22 21:11:29 johnx: it's capable of C760 movement (minus rotating screen) combined with N900 movement Aug 22 21:11:44 hey do any of you edit your videos take with your N900? Aug 22 21:11:47 what program do you use? Aug 22 21:11:50 the N97 keyboard is a joke Aug 22 21:11:52 luke-jr, aah. so wireless screen with its own battery? :> Aug 22 21:11:57 johnx: no Aug 22 21:12:18 johnx: wires in the moving hinge :P Aug 22 21:12:32 it makes the zx spectrum keyboard look good Aug 22 21:12:47 and what's the advantage of that layout compared to the standard 'convertible tablet' aka zaurus cxx? Aug 22 21:12:57 johnx: you can use it like you use a N900 Aug 22 21:13:32 Anybody extrapolate some dimensions from those photos? Aug 22 21:13:49 johnx: also, the N900-movement would have multiple locking points Aug 22 21:13:49 we could do it based off the size of the micro usb port, jah? Aug 22 21:14:04 johnx: so you could have the screen covering the number keys when you don't need them Aug 22 21:14:16 Yeah Aug 22 21:14:19 or only show the bottom row of keys (shortcut keys?) Aug 22 21:14:26 that sounds pretty involved for small gains ... Aug 22 21:14:26 Or that Chinese person's hand. *g* Aug 22 21:15:01 johnx: well, it's also harder to break the screen connector? :P Aug 22 21:15:12 johnx: rotate a C760 screen the wrong way and oops Aug 22 21:15:28 but it might take up too much space I guess Aug 22 21:15:36 mine still works fine ... Aug 22 21:15:44 mine too Aug 22 21:15:55 actually, my 802.11b card stopped working for it a year or so ago Aug 22 21:15:59 and I'd bet that your LCD cable would get destroyed pretty quickly sliding all over the place Aug 22 21:16:02 I did the magic reengineering thing… Aug 22 21:16:06 ha! I killed 3 so far Aug 22 21:16:34 I ripped the plastic apart, took the board out, glared at it, then scotch taped the plastic back on Aug 22 21:16:37 works as good as new now Aug 22 21:16:49 I did that to one and it worked for a bit longer Aug 22 21:16:53 hehe Aug 22 21:17:00 it gets pretty hot w/o the complete plastic actually Aug 22 21:17:34 I was kinda hoping there'd be room to cut the board shorter and just stick it entirely inside the C760, but oh well Aug 22 21:18:01 * johnx sighs at Sharp for missing the boat, again and again and again Aug 22 21:18:38 and Nokia for not learning from their successes and failures with Linux Aug 22 21:19:08 johnx: I think the problem is people don't want to spend $800 on any handheld device Aug 22 21:19:16 they do, just not all at once Aug 22 21:19:18 maybe it takes time to learn? Aug 22 21:19:27 and are too stupid to realize they spend about that much on all the individual devices total Aug 22 21:19:28 they like the illusion of a cheap handset Aug 22 21:19:48 and they think in "how much can I afford per month" and not "how much will this cost me overall" Aug 22 21:19:59 microlith: well, I suppose the downside of having all-in-one is you destroy it all at once… Aug 22 21:20:01 thinking more about the way they approached the community, but also about the form factors Aug 22 21:20:15 luke-jr: assuming you're irresponsible with your property, yes Aug 22 21:20:25 microlith: that's the only reason for a cheap handset IMO Aug 22 21:20:41 well there's cheap then there's "cheap" Aug 22 21:20:44 :P Aug 22 21:20:48 brolin_empey: (mini PCB) it's glued with doublesided sticky Aug 22 21:21:05 I'd probably be worried about it too, if I didn't still have my C760 :P Aug 22 21:21:25 so I know from experience I take good enough care to last long beyond use Aug 22 21:21:50 my SL5500 is still working :) Aug 22 21:21:57 speaking of Zaurus Aug 22 21:22:04 and I still miss the portrait layout + keyboard a lot Aug 22 21:22:12 johnx: I'm not interested in non-clamshells :P Aug 22 21:22:18 apparently it's taken ~5 years but I saw none of them in Akihabara these last two weeks Aug 22 21:22:19 at least not the Zaurus non-clamshell style Aug 22 21:22:35 microlith, sadness Aug 22 21:22:47 I think I caught a picture at the height of the Zaurus Cxx used market Aug 22 21:22:50 * johnx digs up a pic Aug 22 21:22:56 though I did see other hardware, a Sharp device obviously, running Ubuntu Aug 22 21:23:03 microlith: PC-Z1? Aug 22 21:23:05 believe so Aug 22 21:23:11 i.MX51 based Aug 22 21:23:14 microlith: too big for a pocket, right? Aug 22 21:23:15 mmmm Aug 22 21:23:19 not my pockets :) Aug 22 21:23:29 oh Aug 22 21:23:30 not that Aug 22 21:23:34 XD Aug 22 21:23:41 DocScrutinizer51: Did you really brick your N900 while disassembling it, as SpeedEvil claims? Aug 22 21:24:00 PC-T1 Aug 22 21:24:03 err Aug 22 21:24:03 Z1 Aug 22 21:24:19 http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnxx/452167911/ Aug 22 21:24:24 microlith, were you at that store? Aug 22 21:24:45 johnsq: probably, didn't see a single Zaurus at any used hardware store Aug 22 21:25:04 well, by strange incidence the FPC failed after reassembly, but we have similar reports for several users who didn't disassemble Aug 22 21:25:11 huge racks of iPhones and iPod Touches though :/ Aug 22 21:25:12 * luke-jr wonders where microlith lives to see Zaurus on a regular basis Aug 22 21:25:12 DocScrutinizer51: And should I remove the mini PCB before trying to resolder the micro USB socket? Aug 22 21:25:24 sure Aug 22 21:25:27 luke-jr: was back in 2003 when I was previously in Tokyo Aug 22 21:25:29 I'm pretty sure I've always been the only person for like 100 miles with a C760/N810/N900 Aug 22 21:25:30 ah. they weren't all that common even when I was there, except for this one incredibly cramped store. I don't remember tha name sadly Aug 22 21:25:38 when the CXXX series was still getting new models Aug 22 21:25:49 johnx: when was that? Aug 22 21:25:51 and be *extremely* carefull with the FPC Aug 22 21:25:53 ah, 2007 Aug 22 21:25:57 2007 - 2008 Aug 22 21:26:14 DocScrutinizer51: where's teh jrBME code? Aug 22 21:26:15 yeah, no surprise Aug 22 21:26:26 they had a rack of sony clies next to it, too Aug 22 21:26:36 Though with the b-mobile card I had, my N900 was awesome the whole time Aug 22 21:26:53 there was some beautifully geeky hardware. I'd love to see those same form factors re-imagined with modern internals and a modern screen Aug 22 21:27:03 luke-jr: a first draft is on tmo Aug 22 21:27:06 Kegetys: ah... thanks Aug 22 21:27:14 DocScrutinizer51: src repo? Aug 22 21:28:14 anyways. out of here for now Aug 22 21:29:16 DocScrutinizer51: searching jrbme on tmo finds 2 mere references Aug 22 21:30:36 *sigh* you make me leave bed Aug 22 21:31:06 … Aug 22 21:31:12 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=658278#post658278 Aug 22 21:31:51 the shell script is jrbme? -.- Aug 22 21:32:12 luke-jr: after you understood what it's doing, you'll be able to 'fix' the 'bug' it has Aug 22 21:32:12 it's supposed to charge Aug 22 21:32:24 but it has a few bugs :) Aug 22 21:32:30 I doubt I'll *ever* understand what that is doing Aug 22 21:33:33 bq24150 datasheet helps :) Aug 22 21:33:48 luke-jr: then it's not for you, honestly - and no, that's not jrbme, that's a first draft as noted in the post Aug 22 21:34:52 ShadowJK: but… that's not the chip in N900… Aug 22 21:35:03 eh? Aug 22 21:35:07 what is then? Aug 22 21:35:13 bq27200 Aug 22 21:35:22 *SIGH* Aug 22 21:35:38 … Aug 22 21:35:38 * DocScrutinizer heads off direction bed again Aug 22 21:35:50 bq24150 is the charger. bq27200 is the charge meter Aug 22 21:35:55 o Aug 22 21:36:35 so at charging finished, does it automatically go into "maintain charge" mode, or start discharging? Aug 22 21:37:11 It stops charging. Then it later restarts charge if it has dropped Aug 22 21:37:18 ew :/ Aug 22 21:37:40 You know "maintain charge" kills batteries, right? Aug 22 21:37:46 no? :P Aug 22 21:37:57 how about "run off AC" then? Aug 22 21:38:09 not possible Aug 22 21:38:27 wait, BME does "maintain charge"… is it killing the battery? Aug 22 21:38:44 or is it lying? Aug 22 21:39:02 No it doesn't. It stops charging, and then it starts charging when charge level has dropped Aug 22 21:39:05 bme does microcycling just like bq24150 Aug 22 21:39:36 so BME reporting constant 100% is a lie? Aug 22 21:39:42 It always says "Battery Full" after reaching battery full, until battery is at about 50-75 percent or something :) Aug 22 21:39:50 27200 is reporting 100 too O.o Aug 22 21:40:11 but yes, odds are its doing so micro microcycling, it may kill battery Aug 22 21:40:32 hmm Aug 22 21:40:55 and when screen on, it actually never stops charging Aug 22 21:40:56 * luke-jr ponders a smart battery charger daemon that predicts when I depart and plans ahead to hit 100% about that time… Aug 22 21:40:58 Well the top-off charge happens at a point where the battery is sp full any system load will drop the total current into battery below bq27200's end-of-charge detection threshold Aug 22 21:42:00 would it in fact be better for the battery to let it drop to 5% overnight? Aug 22 21:42:25 no Aug 22 21:42:32 just 50-75? Aug 22 21:42:40 let it drop to 85 Aug 22 21:43:10 then it kicks in with recharge, automatically Aug 22 21:43:30 bme shuts down the system before 6 percent ;) (and then kids find ways to drain the remaining 6 percent and wonder why they can't charge) Aug 22 21:43:42 oh, so the shell script doesn't need to keep running? O.o Aug 22 21:44:08 That shell script, if its bugs were fixed, would exit on full battery Aug 22 21:44:14 it does a one shot charge Aug 22 21:44:36 what kicks in with recharge automatically, then? Aug 22 21:44:55 anyone tried to play wargus on N900? Aug 22 21:45:05 my version here is keeping 'charging', but not finished yet Aug 22 21:45:22 o Aug 22 21:45:33 the bq and the bme both do Aug 22 21:45:43 If the script was modified to not exit when status is "Done", the hardware would automatically kick in the re-recharge Aug 22 21:46:07 ShadowJK: so just kick the watchdog forever? Aug 22 21:46:10 bme at 99, bq at ~85 Aug 22 21:46:38 luke-jr: yep Aug 22 21:46:43 or I guess I should check what happens if I remove AC power… Aug 22 21:46:44 luke-jr, yep, or until status other than charging or charge done anyway Aug 22 21:46:46 basically Aug 22 21:47:14 ShadowJK: like removal of external power src? Aug 22 21:47:24 yes Aug 22 21:47:25 or can i seriously just write an init script and cronjob? <.< Aug 22 21:47:32 lol Aug 22 21:48:09 hmm Aug 22 21:48:16 does sound like a job for a kernel driver IMO Aug 22 21:48:22 IME if there's a fault condition reported by bq24150 you need to read it in order to clear it Aug 22 21:48:32 but I don't want to step on you guys' toes either Aug 22 21:49:30 So a proper thing would watch /sys/bus/i2c/devices/something/twl4030_usb/vbus to detect presence of power on usb Aug 22 21:49:57 and bring bq24150 out of hibernation to initiate charge Aug 22 21:50:25 bq24150 can do that autonomously Aug 22 21:50:48 what it can't do is determine the allowable current Aug 22 21:51:11 when charger cable is unplugged, twl4030_usb/vbus goes to 0, bq24150 throws fault codes and IME does nothing for awhile unless you give it instructions :) Aug 22 21:51:12 … so back to init script + cronjob Aug 22 21:51:42 ShadowJK: not according to datasheet Aug 22 21:52:26 will drawing too much current break the battery, or the charger? <.< Aug 22 21:52:36 also when unplugging charge cable I do echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/link, usb sometimes start eating large amounts of power Aug 22 21:53:25 ShadowJK: can I do that *with* USB plugged too? <.< Aug 22 21:53:30 luke-jr, well it could break a pc usb port, but chargers usually lower voltage which reduces amount going into n900 Aug 22 21:53:34 I don't actually use it for data, after all Aug 22 21:56:56 what you can do is to always charge @500, this won't usally break any usb port, doesn't need fancy enum shit nevertheless, and no musb core to detect charger Aug 22 21:57:51 and delays charge-full with charger for only maybe 30..45min Aug 22 21:58:14 I hear in 2.6.34 they have a powersupply framework/api now so that stuff can properly notify eachother of this kind of stuff :) Aug 22 21:58:29 given you idle and dim screen Aug 22 22:00:52 hmm, need to hit 'post' on that comment to bugtracker. Wondering since 2 days if it's what I want to say Aug 22 22:01:30 BCMM: huh? i meant that *all* n900s are still under warranty Aug 22 22:02:38 oh i guess it's only picky about watchdog timeout :D Aug 22 22:04:45 DocScrutinizer51: go ahead, you're more informed on N900 BME than I am Aug 22 22:04:53 :p Aug 22 22:05:14 (or open an actual bug for N900 BME…) Aug 22 22:05:30 luke-jr: NOTABUG/WONTFIX Aug 22 22:05:44 DocScrutinizer, ok you're right :) Aug 22 22:05:57 keeping bq24150 tickled "just works" Aug 22 22:06:29 but I find usb is eating extra 75mA or so after unplugging charger :) Aug 22 22:07:11 75-150.. Aug 22 22:07:12 is this script's 4V200 = 500 ? Aug 22 22:08:36 leave 4V200 alone Aug 22 22:08:57 4.2 is the voltage to charge a Li-Ion battery to Aug 22 22:09:28 You could theoretically lower it to 4.1 and make the battery last 2 years instead of 1 year Aug 22 22:09:32 or something Aug 22 22:09:40 4 vs 2 years, whatever Aug 22 22:10:06 but you'd also only use 80% of its capacity Aug 22 22:10:17 FUUUUUCK Aug 22 22:10:46 ShadowJK: hmm… Aug 22 22:10:52 they changed #9314 properties, so I can't commit post now Aug 22 22:10:56 Increasing it will wear it out exponentially faster for little gain, and it's also not safe Aug 22 22:11:04 so it *does* auto-detect the input current? Aug 22 22:11:26 ShadowJK: more like 90% Aug 22 22:11:26 Yeah the charger seems to autodetect and go Aug 22 22:11:36 luke-jr: nope it doesn't Aug 22 22:11:51 luke-jr: RTFDS Aug 22 22:12:04 meh Aug 22 22:12:31 guess it depends what you mean by that :) Aug 22 22:12:41 DocScrutinizer: maybe try with a new form? I didn't get an email of any such change Aug 22 22:13:26 bug 9314 Aug 22 22:13:27 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314 relicense N8x0 BME Aug 22 22:13:46 subject changed from relicense bme to relicence n9x0 bme, milestone changed, dunno what :-/ Aug 22 22:14:02 Yeah I couldn't even submit a comment because someone submitted a comment while I was writing mine Aug 22 22:14:11 N900 isn't bq24150A, right? no A? Aug 22 22:14:50 DocScrutinizer: I would think you don't have access to change subject/etc Aug 22 22:15:00 I can because I reported it Aug 22 22:30:25 It's A Aug 22 22:31:57 bq24150a -> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/n900_11.jpeg Aug 22 22:32:31 the 'A' is rather meaningless though, aiui Aug 22 22:33:10 it's a silicon revision afaik Aug 22 22:33:28 DocScrutinizer: what is the purpose of (reg 0) 0xc9 masked to 0x77, when 0x77 makes 0x80 of 0xc9 ignored? Aug 22 22:33:49 that is, why not 0x49 Aug 22 22:34:14 err, memory location 4 I mean Aug 22 22:34:21 the masks are buggy Aug 22 22:34:48 O.o? Aug 22 22:34:51 i2cset does read-mask-modify-write Aug 22 22:35:03 not exactly buggy, but suboptimal Aug 22 22:35:19 and there are registers that have different function when read from and when written to Aug 22 22:35:26 yep Aug 22 22:35:40 Like the reset register, always reads as 1, iirc :) Aug 22 22:35:40 I still don't get it, other than "buggy" Aug 22 22:35:58 CE isn't correctly taken care of in the draft, as is reset Aug 22 22:36:13 masking 0x41 with 0x77 is the same as masking 0xc9 with 0x77 Aug 22 22:36:39 * ShadowJK doesn't use any masks at all Aug 22 22:36:47 luke-jr: the values aren't generic, they are derived from what I read out from chip when bme is running Aug 22 22:37:20 then I created the masks to mask out bits that have different meaning when read and write Aug 22 22:38:57 luke-jr: as mentioned, I have a better yet unfinished version here, if you want to wait for it then you don't need to bother with the draft at all Aug 22 22:39:10 hey guess what happened when I tried open that image on n900 ;p Aug 22 22:39:17 o Aug 22 22:39:32 swap-lock? Aug 22 22:39:54 :) Aug 22 22:39:57 btw, I know the OTG pin isn't connected on the USB chip, but is the bq chip connected? Aug 22 22:40:30 err, it's connected to several parts of system, yes Aug 22 22:41:27 now you managed to wake me :-S Aug 22 22:41:36 * DocScrutinizer heading out for coffee Aug 22 22:41:44 If you have connected a charger, and do cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger; you get a '1' as result, and the otg pin input on bq24150 goes high Aug 22 22:43:56 hrm Aug 22 22:44:01 32 seconds to kick the charger :/ Aug 22 22:44:15 cron doesn't have that granularity Aug 22 22:44:29 and waking the CPU up every 32 seconds will harm battery life significantly I think Aug 22 22:44:45 I think bme already wakes up every 32x Aug 22 22:44:54 so for all practical purposes, it needs to be turned off/on Aug 22 22:45:02 ShadowJK: well then, we can significantly improve battery life ;P Aug 22 22:45:20 make that 15s Aug 22 22:45:31 timer is +-50% or something Aug 22 22:45:34 at least in theory… Aug 22 22:45:38 but yeah, a nicer way would be inotify on /sys/bus/i2c/devices/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus Aug 22 22:46:07 not a concern of mine I guess since to be useful I want N900 constantly tracking GPS and IM :/ Aug 22 22:46:40 * luke-jr ponders if it would help to turn GPS off when accelerometers don't detect motion Aug 22 22:46:56 ShadowJK: what's exactly what we should do, for jrbme Aug 22 22:47:19 enabled /CE and HZ_MODE on bq24150 when vbus goes away, when vbus appears: disable HZ_MODE, program charge params, unset /CE Aug 22 22:47:38 DocScrutinizer: are you planning a release soon? Aug 22 22:47:50 ShadowJK: exactly :-) Aug 22 22:48:18 (btw, I presume you're already sure inotify works on sysfs?) Aug 22 22:48:32 nfi :) Aug 22 22:48:43 I did a bit of editing yesterday, as I feel we need something soonish. But I'm really lazy/sick/depressed atm, so no hard schedule Aug 22 22:49:08 * ShadowJK has regular work plus fibre splicing :-( Aug 22 22:49:51 luke-jr: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management - see the script Aug 22 22:50:02 for a moderately friendly power watcher. Aug 22 22:50:06 DocScrutinizer: btw, I think your bug comment confirmed N8x0 BME would be enough for your purposes, since it presumably uses the same interfaces other than the battery hw? Aug 22 22:50:07 luke-jr: I'm not even thinking about sysfs nodes yet Aug 22 22:50:17 except for polling them Aug 22 22:50:27 I have never seen the system go idle more than about 3.5 seconds on average. Aug 22 22:50:49 luke-jr: alas that's not correct Aug 22 22:51:01 Stskeeps told me the interfaces changed Aug 22 22:51:01 what did I miss? Aug 22 22:51:04 o Aug 22 22:51:05 :/ Aug 22 22:51:09 yep Aug 22 22:52:23 for (jr)bme purposes a polling freq of one per 30s seems sufficient and bearable Aug 22 22:52:40 though it will delay charger plugin detection by max 30s Aug 22 22:52:51 bearable in my book Aug 22 22:53:41 the main problem is: can we detect charger at all, without bme? Aug 22 22:54:13 the fastcharger detect is done in musb-core, but I'm not sure it will work without bme Aug 22 22:54:26 you mean charger or vus Aug 22 22:54:27 b Aug 22 22:54:28 ah Aug 22 22:54:34 D+- short Aug 22 22:54:52 DocScrutinizer: how can I check from userspace? Aug 22 22:55:19 err read out sysnodes? or actively triggering a check? Aug 22 22:55:34 "fastcharger detect" Aug 22 22:55:43 although I don't know if I have a fastcharger… Aug 22 22:55:54 Do you have the stock nokia one? Aug 22 22:55:57 It's fast Aug 22 22:56:06 SpeedEvil: only the European one and the adapter Aug 22 22:56:12 that's fine Aug 22 22:56:14 if the adapter is a fastcharger, then eys Aug 22 22:56:16 yes* Aug 22 22:56:16 seems it *should* get triggered by a read to charger sysnode of musb-core Aug 22 22:56:18 err Aug 22 22:56:22 what adaptor Aug 22 22:56:32 SpeedEvil: adapter for N810 power thing Aug 22 22:56:46 I have a european plug nokia charger, which has grown a UK mains plug. Aug 22 22:57:04 SpeedEvil: I have no European outlets Aug 22 22:57:11 Me neither. Aug 22 22:57:16 me three Aug 22 22:57:32 That's why I put two large choc-connectors on the pins. Aug 22 22:57:40 and a cable to a plug on the other end Aug 22 22:57:42 hehehe Aug 22 22:57:57 And wrapped it in wood and duct tape so it was secure and safe. Aug 22 22:58:02 O.o Aug 22 22:58:13 mad scottsh Aug 22 22:58:29 It's OK - wood and duct tape qualifies as double layer insulation, so it's quite legal. Aug 22 22:58:37 lol Aug 22 22:58:40 * luke-jr is glad he can stick his fingers in an outlet here and live Aug 22 22:58:58 I have mislaid my UK charger. Aug 22 22:59:04 circuit breakers are mandatory here Aug 22 22:59:08 I was using it while cutting the hedge. Aug 22 22:59:16 kerio: It has a 1A fuse in the plug Aug 22 22:59:17 kerio: here too I think Aug 22 22:59:24 well, unless you mean fuses don't count Aug 22 22:59:30 It may be on top of the garage on reflection. Aug 22 22:59:46 not a fuse, a... how do you call them... Aug 22 22:59:56 my house has fuses :p Aug 22 23:00:08 the thing everything passes through that interrupts the circuit if there's a short circuit Aug 22 23:00:10 kerio: Circuit breaker is probably the corect rterm. Aug 22 23:00:10 DI Aug 22 23:00:27 kerio: You're in the US? Aug 22 23:00:31 I seem tro recall. Aug 22 23:00:47 Delta-I differential current circuit breaker. Only useful if <30mA Aug 22 23:00:53 SpeedEvil: italy Aug 22 23:01:37 yeah Italy and Spain *need* those, due to abysmal electric craftsmanship Aug 22 23:01:53 ._. Aug 22 23:01:56 it's a measure of safety ffs Aug 22 23:02:22 also probably more than half of our buildings have no ground Aug 22 23:02:26 so yeah Aug 22 23:02:32 kerio: don't worry, they are mandatory here in D as well now Aug 22 23:04:35 I fsckng wonder how I could let my electrician get away with that shit - have a 20mA plug DI here for my workbench, but odds are the computers will go down as well when I DIY some funny things, as the main DI triggers faster than the plug Aug 22 23:04:45 hehe Aug 22 23:05:12 some funny things? Aug 22 23:05:23 somehow i think it's for the best that the power goes down this quickly Aug 22 23:06:00 DocScrutinizer, rcd? Aug 22 23:06:16 I need my electric shock every once in a while :-P But I don't like the shock when *all* the electrics go down on that Aug 22 23:06:31 get a UPS Aug 22 23:06:35 yep Aug 22 23:06:44 already planned Aug 22 23:06:56 * ShadowJK pretends to be an electrician at work occasionally :D Aug 22 23:07:09 ShadowJK: rcd?? Aug 22 23:07:25 return current difference thingy? Aug 22 23:08:03 like that thing that checks how much goes uut on phase and how much comes back on n and trips if the diff is too big? Aug 22 23:08:08 aah yep, seems there's no standard name in English I'm aware of - in germany thay are called FI-switch Aug 22 23:08:40 heh, the italian term translates literally to "lifesaver" Aug 22 23:08:55 * DocScrutinizer heads of to fuse box, to check the exact current of the main FI Aug 22 23:09:17 i think they're called "ground current breaker" here.. Aug 22 23:09:52 0.03A Aug 22 23:10:50 main. So odds are my plug adapter type 0.02A I use for workbench is not 'protecting' the main switch from trigering as well Aug 22 23:12:25 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FI-Schalter RCD is european standard name :-D Aug 22 23:21:45 in the absence of qualified people I was troubleshooting an electrical problem at work and opened this equipment box Aug 22 23:22:20 I found lots of 380V wiring connected by twisting wires around eachother and wrapping in electrical tape :) Aug 22 23:22:49 * ShadowJK put it back very carefully and decided not to touch that shit Aug 22 23:23:07 hehe Aug 22 23:23:22 sounds like US American method Aug 22 23:23:37 it's safe :| Aug 22 23:23:44 electrical tape insulates Aug 22 23:24:25 the length of the wiring was about 4 times longer than what was required, so it looked like someone had basically collected the wires in his hand and started jamming it into the box until it fit, and then screwed the lid on Aug 22 23:24:38 omg Aug 22 23:25:00 Yes, well, tape starts looking brittle and fragile after 20 years, and the adhesive doesn't hold so good either :) Aug 22 23:26:14 oh well, it's only like 40kW going through that spaghettinest :D Aug 22 23:26:30 that's what breakers are for ;) Aug 22 23:26:58 :) Aug 22 23:26:59 (and you should be scared, I'm an electrical engineer) Aug 22 23:27:04 So for some reason my text messgaes have been randomly not showing up/randomly being removed last couple of days on my n900 Aug 22 23:27:06 in New Orleans on a Media Fair, I faced those noobs over there considered our booth requirement "220V" as 3 phase 130V :-P Aug 22 23:27:12 any suggestions? Aug 22 23:28:43 delete all messages Aug 22 23:29:11 how docscrutinizer? Aug 22 23:29:27 I forgot the root password to n810, is there some easy way to get it to default? How can I boot it to single mode? Aug 22 23:29:48 nvm found it Aug 22 23:30:31 heoa, install rootsh, type sudo gainroot, passwd root ? Aug 22 23:32:08 (new orleans) then when I asked them for 3 1:1 transformers, to build a triangle to star converter, they came along with those nasty things like a hollow cone with a thread inside - you just screw it onto the copper ends of up to 4 wires to connect them. Somewhat similar to the twist-and-isolate method Aug 22 23:32:55 ShadowJK: Thank you. Aug 22 23:34:47 Wirenuts seem like a horribly bad idea. Aug 22 23:34:51 Is there any phone by Nokia that is btw a communicator and N900? Still satisfied with 9300 but would like to get it upgraded with n810-style console Aug 22 23:34:57 Sure - in principle it is a nice gas-tight joint. Aug 22 23:35:01 If done just right. Aug 22 23:35:12 or preferrably n900 style debian things Aug 22 23:35:48 SpeedEvil: wirenut - exactly :-D Aug 22 23:37:02 heoa, n900 is the only linux phone from nokia Aug 22 23:38:08 and it's not even Linux or a phone! Aug 22 23:38:12 :P Aug 22 23:38:13 I suspect the Communicator is dead and buried by nokia Aug 22 23:40:00 luke-jr: how is it not linux? Aug 22 23:40:20 it's not mainline linux ;p Aug 22 23:40:31 tzz Aug 22 23:40:34 and doesn't work with mainline linux Aug 22 23:40:41 uhuh Aug 22 23:41:09 I think that description more applies to buntkuh than to maemo though Aug 22 23:41:44 haha Aug 23 00:18:08 did you guys check out http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ Aug 23 00:32:40 not exactly the trac. Why? Aug 23 00:33:15 did Harald something exciting new? Aug 23 00:49:05 ugh, SMS spam now? Aug 23 00:49:24 My SMS spam is limited to tmo. Aug 23 00:49:31 tmobile that is. Aug 23 00:52:37 :P Aug 23 01:00:52 SpeedEvil: regarding the given fact there's not just the one emergency number, it's probably really complex how dialer-ui and bme and cellmo/rapuyama work together to enable 911 calls during overtemp or lowbat conditions Aug 23 01:05:28 yes. Aug 23 01:06:11 is there an app that will auto remove text messages that are X days old? Aug 23 01:24:02 hey guys Aug 23 01:26:09 hi Aug 23 01:43:40 hallo Aug 23 01:45:28 hay johnx :) Aug 23 01:45:55 hey b-man|laptop :D Aug 23 01:46:03 hacking on anything fun lately? Aug 23 01:46:25 experimenting with debian on my N900 :) Aug 23 01:46:34 fun times Aug 23 01:46:45 Anybody got any fun speculation for me to stick on the mwkn summary of the N9 photos? Aug 23 01:46:53 http://b-man.xceleo.org/repo/nitdebian ;) Aug 23 01:47:51 GAN900, I heard it has a fuel cell battery and it can also act as a beer keg, which can be dispensed by d-bus signal Aug 23 01:48:21 the metapackage system is set up alot like deblet/ubuntu-n8x0, but i'm aiming to implement stuff from MeeGo :) Aug 23 01:48:46 I think this time I might actually develop for meego Aug 23 01:48:58 I might actually be getting burned out from the distro wars Aug 23 01:49:07 hehe Aug 23 01:49:11 GAN900: has no stylus so probably a c-ts Aug 23 01:49:39 johnx, sweet! Aug 23 01:49:46 backlid /battery cover is fixed by screws Aug 23 01:49:47 Remember dbus-scripts? I think I'm actually going to try and put together a general policy layer on top of it Aug 23 01:49:51 DocScrutinizer51, this we know from the Summit. Aug 23 01:50:10 DocScrutinizer51, lol. Aug 23 01:50:20 DocScrutinizer51, I imagine that's a proto issue. ;) Aug 23 01:50:26 usb receptacle seems same crappy smt type Aug 23 01:50:39 Hopefully that's also a proto thing. . . . Aug 23 01:51:27 actually, that reminds me: Has anyone else lost their kickstand magnet? Aug 23 01:52:16 MohammadAG lost his a couple of times Aug 23 01:52:39 GAN900: maybe there's no stereo speakers and just a combined earpiece/speaker transduced Aug 23 01:52:48 luckily for me the glue came off but the kickstand magnet stuck to the case magnet, so I still have it Aug 23 01:53:05 Are there any commercially available micro-USB connectors with through-hole anchors? Aug 23 01:53:25 johnx, yes. Aug 23 01:53:34 Although it's still magnetically attached Aug 23 01:53:40 Just need some super glue. Aug 23 01:53:51 Yeah, was thinking of busting out the super glue Aug 23 01:54:00 that will be incredibly fiddly to fix though Aug 23 01:54:09 I may just let Nokia fix it, though Aug 23 01:54:59 * b-man|laptop hates handling super glue Aug 23 01:55:31 yeah, the trick is less handling -> more applying Aug 23 01:57:21 johnx: btw, how is that pandora? - I've began to reconsider ordering one lol :) Aug 23 01:57:30 * johnx sighs Aug 23 01:57:37 The other issue is that the socket is fundamentally not strong. Aug 23 01:57:44 uhm, I have to send it back to the UK to get the wifi repaired Aug 23 01:57:47 it'd be awesome to run meego on one of those :) Aug 23 01:57:52 that's the problem of being an early adopter Aug 23 01:58:02 eww :( Aug 23 01:58:04 Yeah, I am looking forward to getting meego running on it Aug 23 01:58:07 It can't take significantly more force than the solder joints can support Aug 23 01:58:34 though, now I'm thinking that a Sharp PC-Z1 really isn't that much more expensive Aug 23 02:01:16 * johnx has learned his lesson about pre-ordering things. Aug 23 02:02:05 Though, really, I *am* glad I supported them. I just hope the experience goes to getting more 'community' hardware development projects launched a bit more smoothly Aug 23 02:27:15 does the N900 have Hebrew font support? Aug 23 02:30:45 I honestly doubt in success of 'community' hw development Aug 23 02:32:58 EdLin, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37340&highlight=n900+hebrew Aug 23 02:33:03 have you seen that? Aug 23 02:33:09 johnx: what community-developed hardware? Aug 23 02:33:34 luke-jr, well, I should say, community influenced hardware, created by a small business Aug 23 02:33:57 DocScrutinizer, I think it's a matter of having more of the parts being "off the shelf" Aug 23 02:34:01 community hw development is like community composing a symphony Aug 23 02:34:13 I think things like the beagleboard are a big part of that Aug 23 02:34:32 DocScrutinizer: the same applies equally to sw Aug 23 02:34:49 not at all, as you can evolve sw Aug 23 02:35:21 true Aug 23 02:36:03 DocScrutinizer: did you comment on my concept btw? Aug 23 02:36:15 it's like community driven development of mars rover sw, without any prior tests Aug 23 02:36:28 concept? Aug 23 02:37:11 http://www.flickr.com/photos/52549449@N05/4915160604/ Aug 23 02:37:24 (sw) what are the chances this sw will be right on first shot, and doesn't need a single fix? Aug 23 02:37:27 nevermind the sketch bit… nobody gets it, and it's probably not ideal Aug 23 02:37:39 johnsu01: http://wiki.maemo.org/Hebrew_N900 - it has pretty good support, apparently. Aug 23 02:37:55 -sjansen Aug 23 02:41:19 ahha! just got my game gripper Aug 23 02:46:44 luke-jr: sounds like a nice Marketing Product Requirements Spec. Some bits are arguable, some gimmick things I'd add, but nevertheless... Aug 23 02:47:00 pigeon: for n900? Aug 23 02:47:06 SpeedEvil: yeah Aug 23 02:47:15 It's not vapour? Wow. Aug 23 02:47:25 heh Aug 23 02:47:30 infobot: what's up? Aug 23 02:47:31 Up is the direction away from the central point of gravity. Aug 23 02:47:58 infobot: what's sjansen? Aug 23 02:47:59 sjansen is probably one hoopey frood who really knows where his towel is Aug 23 02:48:59 weird Aug 23 02:49:28 luke-jr: Is that supposed to show a reversible screen that folds down backwards on the keyboard for protection? Aug 23 02:50:08 SpeedEvil: nope :P Aug 23 02:50:13 but closer than most people got I think Aug 23 02:50:27 folds down forwards, after you pull it up Aug 23 02:51:01 ah Aug 23 02:51:21 I'm unconvinced you can't make that better than fucking unreliable. Aug 23 02:51:31 but as johnx pointed out, there is too little gain for the wasted space and wear Aug 23 02:52:07 so if it ever becomes real, it would probably have a Zaurus clamshell shell Aug 23 02:52:11 -like Aug 23 02:52:34 hopefully it will also have a space bar :) Aug 23 02:52:58 Also- no fucking way is that under $800 unless you get >>>1K Aug 23 02:52:58 johnx: that one is ponderful Aug 23 02:53:19 johnx: not sure how to fit it in w/ the e-paper design Aug 23 02:53:31 SpeedEvil: get what? Aug 23 02:53:42 Software controlled lens cover is also complete fail. Aug 23 02:53:52 Many more than 1K units Aug 23 02:54:10 I would hope to. if there's a market. :| Aug 23 02:54:16 Sure. Aug 23 02:54:19 why no sw controlled lens cover? Aug 23 02:54:27 Flaky. Aug 23 02:54:32 a *motorized* lens cover? Aug 23 02:54:35 srsly? Aug 23 02:54:36 I've never had a problem? Aug 23 02:54:52 Motorised lens covers of necessity have tiny motors. Aug 23 02:55:06 Tiny motors have fuck-all torque, and get jammed by stuff. Aug 23 02:55:16 like a tiny bit of sand Aug 23 02:55:32 or strawberry jam Aug 23 02:55:36 O.o Aug 23 02:55:48 SpeedEvil: you just a fly wheel and some slack in the gears... ;) Aug 23 02:55:50 All the devices I have had with sw lens covers have failed in some way Aug 23 02:56:11 (then it could duble as the vibrator) Aug 23 02:56:28 Also - 12MP/5* optical zoom isn't happening. Aug 23 02:56:33 which is why one of my favorite digicam designs was the coolpix 2100: http://www.google.com/images?q=coolpix%202500 Aug 23 02:56:37 SpeedEvil: why not? Aug 23 02:56:47 It requires a physically large package. Aug 23 02:56:53 IIRC those are like $100 on TigerDirect with a smaller size Aug 23 02:57:00 fsck lens cover. make that a sapphire glass which is easily changed when ever scratched Aug 23 02:57:12 luke-jr: what are Aug 23 02:57:22 SpeedEvil: 12MP+5*zoomdigital cameras Aug 23 02:57:26 Right. Aug 23 02:57:42 The camera module in the n900 is approximately 10mm*4mm*10mm Aug 23 02:57:51 including lens. Aug 23 02:57:55 it might take up half the device's thickness, but it should be doable Aug 23 02:57:58 perhaps 6mm thick Aug 23 02:58:25 luke-jr, anyways. prove me wrong by getting it built Aug 23 02:58:33 johnx: no resources :P Aug 23 02:58:38 The camera assembly in a 'proper' camera is more like 20*20*40 or more. Aug 23 02:58:42 SpeedEvil: for size, think N810 with double the thickness Aug 23 02:59:17 ouch, a real brick then Aug 23 02:59:32 And pop-out lenses in devices are even more of a failure than sliding lens covers. Aug 23 02:59:44 DocScrutinizer: same size as C760 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 23 02:59:56 2010