**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 05 02:59:58 2010 Sep 05 03:32:45 can one of you recommend a place online to buy an extra battery and charger for the n900? Sep 05 03:39:58 whatwhatwhat: i bought a universal li-ion charger Sep 05 03:40:23 it's a bit fiddly to align the pins with the proper terminals on the battery but otherwise works fine Sep 05 03:41:57 hmm, I found some interesting things on ebay for cheap Sep 05 03:45:03 wonder if any of these damage the battery though Sep 05 03:53:53 http://econtalk.org/ <<< this is a great podcast for learning economics Sep 05 05:30:24 how do I get root access on an n800 w/ the latest nokia release? Sep 05 05:32:15 ask the wiki? Sep 05 05:32:22 ~rootsh Sep 05 05:32:23 from memory, rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/, or http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/rootsh/ Sep 05 05:32:30 you want os2008 .. Sep 05 05:34:40 yep, I have OS2008... Sep 05 05:34:50 the latest official nokia release Sep 05 05:34:55 or last I suppose : ) Sep 05 05:35:16 does screen run on the n900? Sep 05 05:35:30 It's funny how quickly "community support" went from "Maemo5 on N8x0" to "MeeGo on N900" Sep 05 05:35:40 jpinx: it does on mine Sep 05 05:35:51 funny and sad* Sep 05 05:35:54 luke-jr: stsndard repo? or extra? Sep 05 05:36:02 jpinx: I run Gentoo. Sep 05 05:36:23 I run gentoo as well Sep 05 05:36:25 btw, KDE runs on N900 too Sep 05 05:36:29 internet high five Sep 05 05:36:31 : ) Sep 05 05:36:45 npt: you use my overlay? Sep 05 05:36:51 so, do I have to install rootsh? Sep 05 05:36:58 is that in a chroot? Sep 05 05:37:02 do you mean you run it on your nit? Sep 05 05:37:10 jpinx: cound be Sep 05 05:37:13 npt: yeah, both of them Sep 05 05:37:18 wow! Sep 05 05:37:22 N810 and N900 Sep 05 05:37:24 I would LOVE to do that Sep 05 05:37:28 I have an n800 Sep 05 05:37:41 do you have instructions on how you did it? Sep 05 05:37:43 not sure how useful it will be w/o a keyboard, but… Sep 05 05:37:46 not for N900 yet Sep 05 05:37:51 luke-jr: I was hoping to install screen and bitlbee on the native maemo Sep 05 05:37:54 http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 Sep 05 05:38:12 thanks luke-jr Sep 05 05:38:23 luke-jr: I have ssh over usb to give me a keyboard ;) Sep 05 05:39:38 npt: N900 isn't too much different Sep 05 05:39:43 just a different overlay Sep 05 05:40:57 so, on older releases there was a hack for root access that was built in Sep 05 05:41:09 been out of the NIT scene for like 9 months Sep 05 05:41:12 maybe a year Sep 05 05:41:32 is there anything in that LAST n800 nokia release that will allow me root access? Sep 05 05:41:37 npt: maybe sshd? Sep 05 05:41:37 or must I install rootsh Sep 05 05:41:56 I don't think I installed rootsh/gainroot/etc on any Maemo Sep 05 05:42:06 but it's been quite some time since N810's install Sep 05 05:42:11 well Sep 05 05:42:22 do you mean if I run sshd root has no pass or what? Sep 05 05:42:42 IIRC it asks you to set a password Sep 05 05:42:51 ahh nice Sep 05 05:42:54 npt: by default root has no password iirc Sep 05 05:42:55 thanks luke-jr Sep 05 06:45:04 Morning, all Sep 05 06:48:38 afternoon Sep 05 07:21:49 guys, how can i bypass pulse-audio using mplayer on N900? Sep 05 07:22:24 trumee: -ao alsa ? Sep 05 07:23:20 valdyn: with that pulseaudio is still eating 26% cpu Sep 05 07:23:54 trumee: read the help text in mplayer, you can specifiy the alsa hw device Sep 05 07:26:02 trumee: hmm i guess thats not in the help text, but its in the docs, something similar to -ao alsa:device=hw,0,0 , dont remember the syntax Sep 05 07:26:15 valdyn: cheers Sep 05 07:44:50 mplayer xx.mp3 -ao alsa:noblock:device=hw=0 doesnt produce any audio? Sep 05 07:46:53 trumee: why alsa? Sep 05 07:48:03 kerio: I am playing an ogg internet stream and mafw eats up 40% cpu Sep 05 07:48:22 kerio: and that is with headphones plugged in! Sep 05 07:48:30 yeah, i doubt mplayer will be much faster than mafw Sep 05 07:48:41 it's pulseaudio the problem, not mafw-gst-renderer Sep 05 07:50:53 kerio, dont think so. with mplayer -ao pulse the load is 21% with mafw it is 40% Sep 05 07:51:03 hm Sep 05 07:51:13 yeah, it's still pulseaudio the problem Sep 05 07:51:18 the fat, greedy bitch Sep 05 07:52:29 he takes about 15/20% cpu just by doing nothing :< Sep 05 07:53:12 kerio, so any idea what alsa device should i select with mplayer? Sep 05 07:53:17 no idea Sep 05 07:53:53 kerio, mafw is not suitable for ogg streams :( Sep 05 07:54:11 why? Sep 05 07:54:56 kerio, because of the cpu load. Sep 05 07:55:04 40%? Sep 05 07:55:10 it's less than 100 Sep 05 07:55:52 kerio, cant browse the web along with that in the background. Sep 05 07:55:57 codecs not supported by hardware acceleration take more cpu. news at 11 Sep 05 07:56:04 kerio: 50.8% puke Sep 05 07:57:00 kerio: but mplayer with same codec takes 15-20% Sep 05 07:57:11 and doesn't work Sep 05 07:57:13 :P Sep 05 07:57:19 kerio: and using -ao pulse Sep 05 07:57:27 kerio: it does work! Sep 05 07:57:33 oh, i see Sep 05 07:57:38 then... you have no problems Sep 05 07:58:09 kerio: yes, dont have any problem. but starting mplayer is a bit of hassle Sep 05 07:58:15 try canola Sep 05 07:58:26 kerio: i will try mediabox Sep 05 08:24:19 uhm Sep 05 08:24:57 how do i creat an m3u playlist for n900? Sep 05 08:32:14 Chibi-Taiga: it's just a textfile. copy an old one by hand ;) Sep 05 08:43:48 good morning guys :) Sep 05 09:07:59 semms no one here Sep 05 09:17:37 WAKE UP MAEMO, IT'S SUNDAY! Sep 05 09:37:28 Good day to you :) Sep 05 09:39:14 crashanddie, as if it wasn't quiet enough of weekdays, weekends its a ghost town Sep 05 09:39:38 shh Sep 05 09:40:15 I have a theory for this though Sep 05 09:41:14 Either A) people who visit #maemo have lives (unlikely) or B) People only visit #maemo while working Sep 05 09:41:41 b is partially true for me Sep 05 09:41:46 case in point, i work sundays :( Sep 05 10:18:58 I should make some breakfast I'm starving ... Sep 05 10:19:40 You can have some of my pancakes. Sep 05 10:23:34 OooooOOooo Sep 05 10:23:37 :) Sep 05 10:24:16 Just send an insulated SAE. Sep 05 10:31:01 Heh :) Sep 05 10:34:16 dude, it sounds legit, don't be a wuss Sep 05 10:34:25 you do want pancakes, right? Sep 05 10:36:02 Sure, and my girlfriend has not returned from a party she went to last night, so I have noone to make me pancakes :( Sep 05 10:36:46 :( Sep 05 10:36:58 yeah, i need to make my own food too... my SO is at burning man, heh Sep 05 10:40:13 tbh, my gf is a pretty awful cook, and she hates it when I tell her she's doing something wrong. And she never lets me cook Sep 05 10:40:39 So I kind of like it when she goes out for a day or two :) Sep 05 10:42:57 :/ Sep 05 10:43:06 I cheat. Sep 05 10:43:17 And make up truly massive quantities of food, and freeze them in portions. Sep 05 10:43:20 <_llll_> so does his girlfriend Sep 05 10:43:41 So pancakes are a matter of snapping 3 off the 4Kg stack in the freezer, then nuking for 2 min Sep 05 10:43:53 Heh, nice. Sep 05 10:44:08 I don't have a freezer. Sep 05 10:44:33 So I'm forced to eat the massive portions my gf makes :D Sep 05 10:44:35 alterego: hey Sep 05 10:44:42 Well - to be honest, I'd prefer a girlfriend rather than a freezer. Sep 05 10:44:49 So I'm not sure you're losing out there. Sep 05 10:44:49 Luckily I get a fair amount of excercise. Sep 05 10:44:55 Venemo: aloha Sep 05 10:45:08 :) Sep 05 10:45:09 alterego: I was looking for you the entire week Sep 05 10:45:24 Oh, what can I do for you? Sep 05 10:45:32 alterego: you owe me a workaround you promised to tell me in #qt-maemo :P :) Sep 05 10:45:35 I generally just idle Sep 05 10:46:13 alterego: yeah, I noticed :) Sep 05 10:48:02 In the paint method for you child dialog, check the desktop width & height and set the portrait option on the dialog appropriately, then call the superclasses paint. Sep 05 10:48:17 It's a one liner, but I'm not in front of my computer :P Sep 05 10:48:59 freezers + microwaves are awesome Sep 05 10:49:32 and there's a US company that sounds like the vulgar german word for penis that sells all sorts of frozen stuff cheap -- schwans.com Sep 05 10:50:18 alterego: from the sound of it, not a one-liner Sep 05 10:51:02 this->setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5PortraitOrientation, QApplication::desktop().width() < QApplication::desktop.height()) Sep 05 10:51:09 sure it is :P Sep 05 10:51:38 and woo, i just got ipv6 working on my n900 Sep 05 10:51:48 which uh, is totally useful .. yeah Sep 05 10:52:00 Then: QDialog::paintEvent() Sep 05 10:52:39 alterego: ahm. Sep 05 10:53:00 alterego: too bad the autoorientation is buggy Sep 05 10:53:44 Well, it works well enough for me, I created a subclass called Maemo5Dialog with that code and some other stuff in it. Sep 05 10:54:27 alterego: what is the other stuff? Sep 05 10:54:42 I'd have to look at the code, Sep 05 10:54:59 I can't remember what whacky stuff I've been doing. Sep 05 10:56:05 Probably nothing too interesting, I think just some "helper" code that I tend to use in my apps which warrented sticking it in a shared set. Sep 05 10:56:18 alterego: ahm Sep 05 10:56:19 Hi, if anyone is interested I took together the problems I have with the omap-aes module: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org/msg04890.html Sep 05 10:56:34 alterego: I created a library release for the stuff I have Sep 05 10:56:46 :) Sep 05 10:57:34 alterego: and I would be interested in some of the stuff you mentioned, too Sep 05 11:01:58 Okay, I'll upload some stuff when I get home. Sep 05 11:02:47 alterego: no need to hurry :) Sep 05 11:03:49 Well, I don't know whyen I'm heading home yet :P Sep 05 11:03:59 Need to get two buses and a train Sep 05 11:04:16 And it's a Sunday which means a lot of waiting around :D Sep 05 11:05:25 alterego: yeah... Sep 05 11:05:32 alterego: I know the feeling Sep 05 11:05:45 alterego: I got home yesterday, and I'm leaving today Sep 05 11:07:30 morning folks o/ Sep 05 11:07:43 morning MNZ o7 Sep 05 11:07:58 man iam gettin angry with nokia here :\ Sep 05 11:08:03 already 6 weeks gone my phone Sep 05 11:08:08 still no sign of it yet :< Sep 05 11:08:29 :/ Sep 05 11:08:33 first they said within 2 weeks youll get it back Sep 05 11:08:34 dr34m: poor soul Sep 05 11:08:44 ye sure thing almost 2 months now :| Sep 05 11:08:56 dr34m: have you contacted them? Sep 05 11:08:59 yea Sep 05 11:09:14 they have to replace some smaller part inside the phone they couldnt fix Sep 05 11:09:15 What did you break? Sep 05 11:09:44 why not just send a new phone damnit.. theres so many people who got new ones :( Sep 05 11:10:09 dr34m: agreed Sep 05 11:10:11 dr34m: they've sold out of new nes now :P Sep 05 11:11:13 hehe might be Sep 05 11:11:24 gonna get em tomorrow once agin Sep 05 11:13:36 dr34m: just harass them until they give it back Sep 05 11:15:29 Harrass them until they give you a new one :) Sep 05 11:17:02 Think it's almost time for me to make the journey home. Sep 05 11:19:24 moo chan, MNZ Sep 05 11:19:56 That reminds me, think I'll start working on the theme engine for my GPS app when I get back. Sep 05 11:20:31 Venemo: know any good resources on customising interfaces in Qt? Sep 05 11:20:49 I'd like to be able to allow users to hack it too. Sep 05 11:22:44 dr34m: 8 weeks is really too long, that's unbearable. Nokia can't say they are short of silly little parts they need to replace, they have whole working phones. I'd shout at them if I were you Sep 05 11:23:15 I agree :) Sep 05 11:30:52 btw, at least here in Germany, but I thinks also in whole Europe, when you e.g. buy a laptop which after 4 months breaks and can't be repaired or replaced, you get your money back. However manufacturer is allowed to charge you for the 4 months you used it and the amount you get back will be considerably less than what you originally paid Sep 05 11:31:47 I'd think same applies for manufacturer keeping you from using your device, just reverse order of things. Device loses value while sitting on their workbench Sep 05 11:32:02 alterego: customizing how much? Sep 05 11:32:23 alterego: there is QSS Sep 05 11:32:35 alterego: then there will be QML in 4.7 Sep 05 11:32:49 alterego: and you could also try MeeGo Touch Sep 05 11:33:00 alterego: (will be backported to Maemo5) Sep 05 11:35:15 wth is meego-touch? Sep 05 11:37:57 DocScrutinizer: it is a Qt-based UI library for MeeGo Sep 05 11:38:10 DocScrutinizer: formerly known as "DUI" or "DirectUI" Sep 05 11:38:42 dr34m: btw it usually isn't exactly Nokia you need to pester, but the shop you bought it at, at least in Europe Sep 05 11:40:17 Venemo: darn, yet another lib layer Sep 05 11:40:44 DocScrutinizer: yes... Sep 05 11:41:17 DocScrutinizer: alhough (fortunately) it is not based on the existing Qt widgets stuff Sep 05 11:41:36 just out of curiosity I'd like to know the number of lib layers between LCD and app :-P Sep 05 11:41:52 haha! :D Sep 05 11:42:12 a lot doc, a lot. Sep 05 11:42:17 DocScrutinizer: they said that it will allow the UI to be rendered with hardware acceleration, which wasn't allowed by the previous ones Sep 05 11:43:01 sounds like a Qt mega fail Sep 05 11:44:33 wasn't there a promise meego will be Qt based so all maemo apps correctly based on Qt were easily ported to meego :-( Sep 05 11:44:55 and *vice versa* Sep 05 11:45:30 sounds to me like they are breaking promises just another time Sep 05 11:46:59 and honestly if they need new lib to implement hw-accel, instead if plumbing it into Qt in a transparent manner, I'd say that's candidate for the annual WTF Sep 05 11:47:40 DocScrutinizer: the existing Qt stuff will work on MeeGo too Sep 05 11:48:04 DocScrutinizer: so, using this stuff is purely optional. Sep 05 11:48:11 bah Sep 05 11:48:34 DocScrutinizer: although I agree with your opinion Sep 05 11:48:38 anyways, brb Sep 05 11:48:42 I'm going ot lunch Sep 05 11:48:47 to Sep 05 11:52:20 right... irc installed on my pc.... lol Sep 05 11:52:23 purely optional like the use of meego instead of maemo, or even like the usage of Nokia prodacts in general. Go somewhere else if you don't like it Sep 05 11:52:27 morning alls! Sep 05 11:52:34 lo Noobmonk3y Sep 05 11:52:40 morning :) Sep 05 11:53:14 * Noobmonk3y is considering trying the sratchbox method of designing for the n900 - allthough if i'm correct that does involve some form of C ... meh Sep 05 11:54:09 morning MohammadAG51 , morning lcuk , oi frals troutface! Sep 05 11:54:39 and meh, tis afternoon, oh well Sep 05 11:55:26 Petition to pressure Kevin Rose to eat uncured pork bacon live on streaming video and drink COLD BEER with it. Have him prove that simple greed and or incompetence was the reason behind Digg 4.0 and its selling out and not something else, if you get my drift! Sep 05 11:55:30 Sign the petition here: Sep 05 11:55:32 http://www.petitiononline.com/krbacon/petition.html Sep 05 11:56:04 random Sep 05 11:56:05 what is digg 4.0 mr spammer? Sep 05 11:56:10 who is kevin rose and why do i care? Sep 05 11:56:41 DocScrutinizer, did someone fart? this place is a deadzone.... Sep 05 11:57:08 sorry, no idea. Fartfilter enabled here Sep 05 11:57:16 lol Sep 05 11:57:41 It's been me who played partypooper 1 min before you said hello Sep 05 11:58:08 :P Sep 05 11:58:16 no more moped for you Sep 05 11:58:17 but that didn't change the general funeral mood Sep 05 11:58:31 lets test the awakeness... Sep 05 11:58:33 BACON Sep 05 11:58:42 TROUT Sep 05 11:58:51 yesterday was bacon day Sep 05 11:58:59 every day is bacon day! Sep 05 11:59:03 except for MohammadAG51 Sep 05 11:59:06 \o Sep 05 11:59:16 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Bacon_Day Sep 05 11:59:22 w0000000p Sep 05 11:59:29 lol ieatlint Sep 05 12:00:04 lcuk, hows the ear? Sep 05 12:00:14 ieatlint, that being tomorrow? Sep 05 12:00:50 labour day in the US is monday, yes Sep 05 12:00:58 so yesterday (saturday) was bacon day Sep 05 12:01:33 yummy, bacon-themed drinks Sep 05 12:01:37 lol Sep 05 12:01:41 1 day is not enough Sep 05 12:01:43 shiiit, bought bacon yesterday but forgot to eat :/ Sep 05 12:01:45 i shall go and make bacon Sep 05 12:01:58 Nitial, you must eat double Sep 05 12:02:04 Noobmonk3y, its ok Sep 05 12:02:04 good idea me 2... tis lunchtime after all, not that i need an excuse to eat bacon! Sep 05 12:02:05 btw Sep 05 12:02:05 makes sense Sep 05 12:02:06 : Sep 05 12:02:07 http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100803.html Sep 05 12:02:07 noobmonkey was talking about mini earth things earlier Sep 05 12:02:08 i remembered afterwards I had this saved Sep 05 12:02:08 :) its a great photo Sep 05 12:02:15 well, the article also states you may celebrate it on dec 30, and the first saturday in january Sep 05 12:02:23 one would assume you should celebrate it on all these days Sep 05 12:02:28 lcuk, i likie!!! great pic! Sep 05 12:02:40 bartender bring me a california triple bacon on the rocks! Sep 05 12:02:43 that is a great example! Sep 05 12:02:51 Petition to pressure Kevin Rose to eat uncured pork bacon live on streaming video and drink COLD BEER with it. Have him prove that simple greed and or incompetence was the reason behind Digg 4.0 and its selling out and not something else, if you get my drift! Sep 05 12:02:51 Sign the petition here: Sep 05 12:02:51 http://www.petitiononline.com/krbacon/petition.html Sep 05 12:02:58 bacon flavoured trout, its the new bacon Sep 05 12:03:07 Dilberto, why, why why! why would i bother? Sep 05 12:03:11 pigs with snorkles Sep 05 12:03:27 lcuk, makes a change from flying pigs i suppose Sep 05 12:03:41 heh Sep 05 12:04:01 DocScrutinizer: what's in a california triple bacon? :) Sep 05 12:04:25 you don't know?? damn, I'll find a better bar Sep 05 12:04:40 ieatlint, i expect reminders next year Sep 05 12:04:44 before the time Sep 05 12:05:06 and IDB needs fixing on a specific preplanned date :P Sep 05 12:05:12 lcuk: i sadly found out at 9pm yesterday :( Sep 05 12:05:14 it was sad Sep 05 12:05:16 lcuk, does it matter? thats an american day, just start an english one for today Sep 05 12:05:43 nah, bacon is to be shared by all, not just an american day Sep 05 12:05:45 its an international day Sep 05 12:05:59 "Some cultures, however, celebrate on December 30th, while others celebrate the day on the first Saturday in January after the new year." Sep 05 12:06:06 well, that means i get 3 days a year Sep 05 12:06:06 it's a day where we can all come together and make fun of jews, muslims and vegetarians Sep 05 12:06:11 oh screw it Sep 05 12:06:16 its international_bacon_week Sep 05 12:06:16 yesterdat, dec 30th and first sat in jan.... Sep 05 12:06:56 december 30 sounds just right for chaos communication congress Sep 05 12:07:43 * ieatlint wishes he could afford a trip to 27c3 Sep 05 12:08:03 * DocScrutinizer wishes too ieatlint could afford Sep 05 12:08:11 so we would meet there Sep 05 12:08:27 if i get a decent job this month, i might be able to pull it off... Sep 05 12:08:50 yeah, you'd get to see me try and speak german Sep 05 12:09:12 ich kann ein bisschen deutsch sprechen, aber gar nicht gut Sep 05 12:09:16 * SpeedEvil is a jelly-donut. Sep 05 12:11:08 wooop chicken, bacon and chips on the go.... Sep 05 12:11:28 ieatlint: nobody will be amused :-) most of the talks are LANG=en_EN anyway Sep 05 12:11:54 yeah, i've sadly not been, but i've got quite a few friends who have Sep 05 12:11:57 hmmm, which vmware image do i need from this page? - http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Sep 05 12:12:36 and yeah, you people are too nice to those struggling with crappy german... people kept lying to me saying i spoke it well Sep 05 12:13:08 ieatlint: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/impressions-of-25C3/ :-) Sep 05 12:14:04 arm chips? Sep 05 12:14:10 yup Sep 05 12:14:13 a few Sep 05 12:14:34 random Sep 05 12:14:50 Hello,I was using QCpuFreq for over clocking,I upgraded Enhanced Kernel and now it seems I can only under clock,any reasons? Sep 05 12:14:57 just a grab into my box of crap Sep 05 12:15:28 well, there's a chance i'll make it Sep 05 12:15:39 (no I didn't bother to pick that litter up after taking the pics) Sep 05 12:15:51 Warning: Overclocking voids your warranty, may damage your device and is at your own risk! Overclocking is disabled by default and can be configured during runtime. => configured during runtime? Sep 05 12:16:01 what part of germany are you in anyway? Sep 05 12:16:16 sounth Sep 05 12:16:22 south even Sep 05 12:16:32 ah, so where there's actually good beer and food Sep 05 12:16:38 yep Sep 05 12:17:25 * Noobmonk3y used to live in hamburg..... mMMmmmm hamburgers Sep 05 12:17:27 more good beer than you can drink and remember the taste Sep 05 12:17:43 highest brewery density in whole world Sep 05 12:18:07 http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/verden/1.7279144 - copenhagen suborbital (the guys with the sub and rocket - live launch stream - launching in 5 min) Sep 05 12:18:22 Noobmonk3y: the way you say it sounds somewhat... scary :-P Sep 05 12:18:35 :) Sep 05 12:19:15 my favourite is still altbier :P Sep 05 12:20:21 Bildeoverføringen kan til tider være ustabil Sep 05 12:20:38 uhuh, probably explains why I got a white page Sep 05 12:20:46 haha what wall of highlights Sep 05 12:20:48 yay for bacon Sep 05 12:20:52 just I don't get anything except ustabil Sep 05 12:20:59 though they have now updated to say 12:30 GMT - 12 min Sep 05 12:21:44 lol kerio you have bacon set too now? Sep 05 12:22:18 yeah Sep 05 12:22:53 No one? Sep 05 12:22:53 \o/ Sep 05 12:23:20 ~tell knightstalker about omap-oc Sep 05 12:24:13 Aha,Thanks Sep 05 12:24:32 ~debian knightstalker Sep 05 12:24:33 * infobot tells knightstalker to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Sep 05 12:24:54 kerio,Stfu Sep 05 12:25:00 ^_^ Sep 05 12:25:16 too rude? Sep 05 12:25:19 ~ubuntu knightstalker Sep 05 12:25:20 * infobot lovingly explains to knightstalker in a way that causes knightstalker to weep with gratitude that knightstalker must read the fine, friendly manual Sep 05 12:25:32 Better Sep 05 12:25:32 :P Sep 05 12:25:37 kerio: though power kernel and esp cpufreq-UI manual is maximum useless Sep 05 12:25:58 I just did overclock for 3 mins and I liked it a bit :p Sep 05 12:26:06 revert, really Sep 05 12:26:15 I did,forcefullu Sep 05 12:26:16 i mean, waiting 3 seconds more won't destroy your life Sep 05 12:26:24 ah Sep 05 12:26:26 but overclocking *will* destroy your cpu Sep 05 12:26:36 kerio,not when playing PS games Sep 05 12:26:41 they'll run ... :P Sep 05 12:26:45 buy a playstation Sep 05 12:26:48 But as I said,I can not overclock anymore Sep 05 12:26:50 kerio: I just took a deep breath from that glue can, and I also liked it a bit. Should I make that a daily custom? Sep 05 12:26:55 Ah,I do have one,I want one on the go Sep 05 12:27:10 buy a psp Sep 05 12:27:13 :P Sep 05 12:27:22 Psht,That will cost me weight :p Sep 05 12:27:24 it's not like the n900 is good as a game console without a gamegripper Sep 05 12:27:31 and I do not like psp >;p Sep 05 12:27:32 incidentally, i want one Sep 05 12:27:39 and knightstalker rather than increasing the speeds Sep 05 12:27:44 could it be considered like the n8x0 had Sep 05 12:27:47 to change the mode Sep 05 12:27:52 to stay at one speed Sep 05 12:28:02 re Sep 05 12:28:09 lcuk: pretty sure that when actively using the cpu the frequency doesn't scale down Sep 05 12:28:21 kerio, thats what i am asking Sep 05 12:28:31 on the n8x0 liqbase used to render so fast Sep 05 12:28:39 it never triggered the speed up to full Sep 05 12:28:41 Noobmonk3y: it's been some time since I saw you here! Sep 05 12:28:44 epic :D Sep 05 12:28:50 so the cpumode changed from ondemand to performance Sep 05 12:29:01 and then cpu sat happily at its speed Sep 05 12:29:02 lcuk: i wanna have pretty graphics too, what should i instal? Sep 05 12:29:04 hehehe Sep 05 12:29:07 and appeared faster and more responsive Sep 05 12:29:09 libqbase? Sep 05 12:29:11 yeah, moved home, never set my pc back up properly Sep 05 12:29:14 kerio, #liqbase Sep 05 12:29:20 kinda concentrated on life for a bit :P Sep 05 12:29:48 Noobmonk3y: so where did you move? :) Sep 05 12:30:01 about 2 miles away from where i lived, but in with the misses :) Sep 05 12:30:10 so still on the south coast, uk Sep 05 12:33:13 Noobmonk3y: anyways, congrats Sep 05 12:33:13 hmm,so what about under clock? Sep 05 12:34:26 hehe, cheers Venemo :) Sep 05 12:36:21 Noobmonk3y: how is healthcheck? :) Sep 05 12:36:36 knightstalker: no use in that. The device usually will run @250MHz unless real CPU grunt needed. By incidence that's the lowest clock speed the CPU works reliably, as for 125MHz there are stability issues Sep 05 12:36:48 good question, not updated it in a few months, just reinstalling all the programmy stuff now :) Sep 05 12:37:04 well, after i eat my chicken, bacon and chips :) hehehe Sep 05 12:37:12 bacon! Sep 05 12:37:14 Venemo: Noobmonk3y: speadking of healthcheck, it could display some extra info, now that QtMobility is available... (hint, hint) Sep 05 12:37:33 achipa, yup! thats another reason i'm back kinda, been waiting for qtmobility for a loooong time! Sep 05 12:37:52 just been reading up on it this morning :0 - looks good! Sep 05 12:38:05 i'm assuming qtmultimedia still doesnt work, and probably wont though? Sep 05 12:38:09 achipa: has the address book bug been fixed in Qt Mobility? Sep 05 12:38:24 knightstalker: you know the 'l33t" tool powertop? Sep 05 12:38:30 hey, hey, I maintain just the bindings :) Sep 05 12:38:50 DocScrutinizer,No? Sep 05 12:39:36 Venemo: wouldn't expect much until/if QtM 1.1 lands Sep 05 12:40:03 achipa: I mean the bug with the unicode characters Sep 05 12:40:29 achipa: I heard it was already fixed but not released... has it been released yet? (They talked about 1.0.1 at the time) Sep 05 12:41:04 Venemo: no idea, 1.0.2 is the actual stable on the N900 Sep 05 12:41:19 knightstalker: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333#post491333 http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:Search?search=powertop&go=Go Sep 05 12:41:32 Venemo: so if it has the fix, yay, if not, wait for 1.1 Sep 05 12:44:42 achipa: well then, I guess it has the fix. Sep 05 12:51:56 * DocScrutinizer especially recommends this *very* useful short explanation about powertop: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powertop Sep 05 12:52:23 hi Sep 05 12:53:27 are there any Nokia (MADDE) developers here? Sep 05 12:53:42 I mean, those responsible for MADDE Sep 05 12:53:52 nope Sep 05 12:54:03 eh Sep 05 12:54:04 not afaik Sep 05 12:54:44 i'd like to ask about flags/parameters used to configure cross-compiling gcc for MADDE... tried looking on the net, but haven't found Sep 05 12:54:58 built-in headers point to user savanain Sep 05 12:55:01 so just ask Sep 05 12:56:21 odds are somebody is listening who knows an answer, or can point you to a better place for getting advice Sep 05 12:57:07 well, I'm trying to replace gcc in madde with a more recent version (4.5.1) Sep 05 12:57:17 I have the compiler built already Sep 05 12:57:42 now seeking how to build support libs Sep 05 12:58:35 I'm following these steps: Sep 05 12:58:46 http://wiki.osdev.org/GCC_Cross-Compiler Sep 05 12:59:06 right now I'm failing at the attempt to build libgcc Sep 05 13:01:11 I can be more specific about error I get if it's interesting... but does anyone remember any maemo-specific docs on replacing the compiler? Sep 05 13:01:41 (4.2.1 seems to have problems with NEON intrinsics) Sep 05 13:02:13 if there's no answer in 30min, repost. then if still no answer, try tomorrow. Seems today quite a bunch of chan members are inactive Sep 05 13:02:30 Okay, thanks :) Sep 05 13:04:41 odds are US westcost will join in the next few hours :-) Sep 05 13:05:21 oh, I see :) Sep 05 13:10:07 moo all Sep 05 13:15:06 * DocScrutinizer mooes at RST38h Sep 05 13:15:45 RST38h: well, I'm trying to replace gcc in madde with a more recent version (4.5.1) Sep 05 13:21:50 DocScrutinizer, thanks for reposting :) Yeah, seems like I'm now able to build libgcc (who knew they relied on libppl-c being installed for their configure... that library looks completely unrelated for me) Sep 05 13:22:26 http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q="madde"+gcc+4.5.1 Sep 05 13:28:26 well, actually including libgcc in the search produces better results :) Sep 05 13:28:51 Warning: if Laszlo Papp comes and adds you on gtalk Sep 05 13:29:29 o.O Sep 05 13:29:33 he's an idiot, just refuse... he's adding people from the mailing lists and hopes to have his work done by others Sep 05 13:29:38 what's gtalk? :-P Sep 05 13:30:19 jabber/xmpp Sep 05 13:47:05 I have a new N900 and I get on quit well. It's a nice box. There are some "handlings" issues... Sep 05 13:47:21 How do I come to the virtual console from Xterm? Sep 05 13:47:49 actually I't not clear, but in firefox it sometimes comes automatically. Sep 05 13:48:12 aaaaaaaaaargh! Sep 05 13:48:21 yes, raster? Sep 05 13:48:36 nokia are being arsetarts again. Sep 05 13:48:48 "ooh maemo 5 update avilable" Sep 05 13:48:55 huh? Sep 05 13:49:10 "yay! i cant update vai std package manager... i have to connet to pc and use "pc suite" Sep 05 13:49:12 whihc is windows-only Sep 05 13:49:14 hooray Sep 05 13:49:25 O_o? Sep 05 13:49:34 i'm staring at the dialog right now Sep 05 13:49:46 if some german speaking people are here, I make my notes over Maemo and N900 here: http://ddy.ch/Maemo/N900Technologie Sep 05 13:49:46 "Maemo update" Sep 05 13:50:10 are you running PR1.2 raster ? Sep 05 13:50:10 raster: try deinstalling soft to make free space on / Sep 05 13:50:13 "To update your device to this version of the operating system you must use Nokia PC Suite on your PC." Sep 05 13:50:23 "Conect the device.. blah blah" Sep 05 13:50:29 fantastic. Sep 05 13:51:27 Appiah: 10.2010.19-1 Sep 05 13:51:32 raster: I had the same problem with PR 1.2 (only PC suite update proposed), but it was only because there was too less free space left on / Sep 05 13:51:55 RCL_: it'd be nice that it actually said that Sep 05 13:51:56 eg Sep 05 13:52:00 raster: so you got PR1.1 Sep 05 13:52:01 it checked for the amount of space Sep 05 13:52:07 and then appropriately complained Sep 05 13:52:13 :) Sep 05 13:52:19 probably Sep 05 13:52:22 i havent updated in a while Sep 05 13:52:32 1.1 or 1.1.1 Sep 05 13:52:35 i want to see if the newer firmware/kernel/gl fixes the gl bugs i see Sep 05 13:52:37 raster: not news (them being arsetarts) Sep 05 13:52:45 raster: you definitely want PR1.2 Sep 05 13:52:46 bnah Sep 05 13:52:51 but making space is going to be hell Sep 05 13:52:52 hmm Sep 05 13:52:54 raster: you definitely CAN do it without PCSuite Sep 05 13:53:01 i'll try that Sep 05 13:53:10 it'd be nice if they had a better err msg Sep 05 13:53:10 raster: #1: Remove SSH, it is interfering with update Sep 05 13:53:11 :) Sep 05 13:53:22 RST38h: wtf? ssh is? Sep 05 13:53:32 how the hell am i meant to get stuff done? :) Sep 05 13:53:33 raster: #2: Move bloody apt cache away to the mmc Sep 05 13:53:42 raster: you will reinstall it later Sep 05 13:54:02 ugh Sep 05 13:54:08 well i have a lot more on there Sep 05 13:54:10 like gcc Sep 05 13:54:12 and make Sep 05 13:54:16 raster: In any case, it is suggested that you try installing that nokia update with apt-get install - the error messages will be way more meaningful Sep 05 13:54:18 and a few dev pkgs etc. Sep 05 13:54:18 how does ssh interfere Sep 05 13:54:38 RST38h: nice that the update manager tells me that :) Sep 05 13:54:42 Mohammad: Dunno, seems to lock something PR1.1.1update wanted to ...eh... update Sep 05 13:54:48 MohammadAG51: other than using up space.. dunno Sep 05 13:55:09 another possible cause of can't-update is an older qt Sep 05 13:55:17 lets uninstall a bunch of stuff and see Sep 05 13:55:31 needs to be manually removed (if apt-get install nokia-update tells you that it is a problem) Sep 05 13:56:14 anybody knows how to enter a & in the N900 console? (I have a "german" layout, which might differ vrom us) Sep 05 13:56:21 "How come I have got this new shiny i7 and it does not feel faster at all?" :) Sep 05 13:56:40 RST38h: because you run windows... or use gnome? :) Sep 05 13:57:05 raster: yep Sep 05 13:57:17 raster: Burning ubuntu cd, going to install Sep 05 13:57:56 * raster hopes the gl bugs are gone... got a nice sgx out of memory errrr Sep 05 13:58:08 SGX Out of mem event Sep 05 13:58:08 SGX Out of mem event Sep 05 13:58:08 SGX Out of mem event Sep 05 13:58:09 ... Sep 05 13:58:11 yay! Sep 05 13:58:12 :) Sep 05 13:58:20 pog, try pressing arrow two times and then sym Sep 05 13:58:30 list of symbols should appear Sep 05 14:01:53 twice arrow, the all blue Signs are pressed, o.k. but fuer example I don't see a & my keyboard Sep 05 14:02:31 I have to see, whether the behaviour is different in console as in let's say ff. Sep 05 14:03:55 it's true, I pushed the wrong buttum it's the buttom over the arrow, which one has to push twice Sep 05 14:03:59 thanks! Sep 05 14:04:04 n/p :) Sep 05 14:05:31 man this takes too long to uninstall goops Sep 05 14:05:35 goop Sep 05 14:06:04 * raster slaps his n900 Sep 05 14:06:09 work damnit Sep 05 14:06:10 work! Sep 05 14:07:20 raster: yep - mine's dead slow to install, download, configure and load apps, but once loaded they zip along - so i leave everything running :) Sep 05 14:09:34 jpinx-eeepc: fair enough Sep 05 14:09:36 still Sep 05 14:09:46 a tad frustrating when i have to "clear space" for an upgrade Sep 05 14:11:30 raster: the joys ;) Sep 05 14:11:49 i dont even know if that wil work Sep 05 14:11:50 boo Sep 05 14:11:51 i have spacre Sep 05 14:11:56 just in different partitions Sep 05 14:11:59 partitions SUCK Sep 05 14:12:07 * raster sucks on his n900 partitions Sep 05 14:12:22 always leaving u with no space in 1 spot Sep 05 14:12:29 and all the spare room somewhere else Sep 05 14:17:03 Any of you use Nokia SDK for development for maemo5? Sep 05 14:17:40 I don't seem to have Maemo Emulator configured by the SDK and I have no idea what to do with that. Sep 05 14:17:45 Lynoure: yes Sep 05 14:17:59 thoi dont use the emulation stuff Sep 05 14:18:07 just scratchbox for building Sep 05 14:18:16 raster: One you have set up yourself? Sep 05 14:18:31 yes Sep 05 14:18:41 well not like it was already on my machine Sep 05 14:18:53 so i did have to set it up Sep 05 14:19:30 i wish the gcc handled neon asm properly :) Sep 05 14:19:42 raster: I guess I'll have to dig out the instructions and do that... I'm getting really frustrated with this. (even the device simulator shows just desktop widgets, not maemo widgets) Sep 05 14:19:45 and my arm toosl didnt segv inside of it for some unknown reasons Sep 05 14:19:52 (and gdb isnt of much use) Sep 05 14:20:05 * ShadowJK longs for some nonsucky SD/uSD/USB-flash :( Sep 05 14:20:52 i guess i could try the qemu and gdb remote stuff Sep 05 14:21:05 b ut it seems the build tools work on other sbox sdk's fine Sep 05 14:21:11 wow from my N900 Sep 05 14:21:11 and on the real arm targets fine Sep 05 14:21:15 so beats me whats up Sep 05 14:24:51 The Nokia SDK claims it does the setup for you... but nah, no such luck so far. Sep 05 14:25:22 raster: other box's sdk is Nokia SDK or Maemo5 SDK? Sep 05 14:25:41 as I read you develop on PC with this kit and the crosscompile... (but I not yet have tried out). Sep 05 14:27:07 Lynoure: its another scratchbox based sdk for arm+linux+stuff for a different linux os Sep 05 14:27:26 raster: yes, but which sdk of the two? Sep 05 14:27:47 neither Sep 05 14:27:51 different os Sep 05 14:28:11 ah, different target os, you mean? Sep 05 14:29:04 well still linux, glibc, x11, etc, Sep 05 14:29:28 just yes - a different os in name and marketing. not in general raw "guts and infra" Sep 05 14:30:02 i test my stuff against many an os.build/device Sep 05 14:30:06 it keeps me honest Sep 05 14:30:19 need to find out why yuv texture stuff is not working on tegra2 tomorrow Sep 05 14:31:10 just to make my chi feel better about "hopefuly not violating an gl-es spec assumptions that work on sxg and s3c gpu's and desktop gl, but not gles "strictly" and nvidia has interpreted it that way for tegra2" Sep 05 14:31:13 so to speak Sep 05 14:32:56 hi, i tried compile supertux2 (v0.3.3) with opengles support, build completed, but when i start the game, no image, just black screen with sound... I can start the leveles, and etc, but no image :D. Could anyone help me? pls :) Sep 05 14:33:23 i found the older gle-s drivers had some egl correctness bugs Sep 05 14:33:40 they dont allow proper egl fb config specification according to the egl specs Sep 05 14:33:49 so u have to disable some requested info to get thinjgs to work Sep 05 14:34:02 i want ot get a latest update to test if those and other bugs have been fixed Sep 05 14:35:45 raster: updating to 1.2 from 1.1 on a device with many installed apps of which a large number isn't optified, that's actually a pita Sep 05 14:36:56 DocScrutinizer: actually most are Sep 05 14:37:00 its all my dev shit Sep 05 14:37:03 gcc, -dev pkgs Sep 05 14:37:04 make Sep 05 14:37:06 etc. i think Sep 05 14:37:13 bloody partitions Sep 05 14:37:18 should just have / on mmc Sep 05 14:37:21 and be done with it Sep 05 14:37:26 a single / mmc partition Sep 05 14:37:28 and thats it Sep 05 14:39:22 http://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting http://wiki.maemo.org/Cannot_install_firmware_update http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space Sep 05 14:39:47 and of course my personal POV: Sep 05 14:39:51 ~optification Sep 05 14:39:51 optification is probably a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs Sep 05 14:39:59 DocScrutinizer: no more nand Sep 05 14:40:02 much better Sep 05 14:40:34 accept it Sep 05 14:40:41 nand is for bootloader and a rescu os fs+kernel Sep 05 14:40:42 thats it Sep 05 14:40:50 and maybe some perisstent info Sep 05 14:40:56 like have a snapshjotting logging fs Sep 05 14:40:59 couldn't agree more Sep 05 14:41:05 and stick in nand the last known good snapshot date/rev/tag Sep 05 14:41:13 so if all hell break sloose during a pkg upgrade Sep 05 14:41:22 u can reboot into the last known good snap Sep 05 14:41:23 :) Sep 05 14:41:51 nand just keeps a circular bufefer with a list of those known tags and dates and some meta-info for them Sep 05 14:41:55 the basic brainfart is to have /usr on NAND Sep 05 14:42:12 (and of course /var as well) Sep 05 14:42:47 don't forget /srv Sep 05 14:42:57 eh? Sep 05 14:45:00 sorry no idea what /srv is all about Sep 05 14:46:13 i wonder if i should uninstall all those spurious language packages i never use Sep 05 14:52:23 ooo an fmms update - i'm behind the times Sep 05 14:52:36 * Noobmonk3y slaps frals around a bit with a trout Sep 05 14:52:49 a large one? Sep 05 14:53:05 frals - why does it still say "send and receive MMS, hopefully"??! Sep 05 14:53:15 and yes Corsac it was a tunafish sized trout Sep 05 14:53:44 Noobmonk3y, extra optimism Sep 05 14:53:50 lol Mo Sep 05 14:54:09 wow 120kb - biggy for fmms Sep 05 14:55:33 no visible change :P Sep 05 15:01:20 Hi Sep 05 15:05:00 Anyone knows where the placement of widgets on the home screens are saved? Sep 05 15:05:43 RST38h: ssh (both server and client) never blocked SSU for me Sep 05 15:06:03 Doc: Did for me Sep 05 15:06:16 Not that I am saying it will do so always Sep 05 15:06:24 also I never heard of this before Sep 05 15:06:36 Noobmonk3y: because users still suck ;) Sep 05 15:08:54 in gconf Sep 05 15:14:57 lol frals :) Sep 05 15:16:23 so hows you Noobmonk3y? not seen you in ages Sep 05 15:16:50 very good thankee, finally got round to setting up my pc :) Sep 05 15:17:07 just finished dloading the sdk, so may give Madde or similar a go Sep 05 15:19:53 hows finland frals? Sep 05 15:19:56 still cold up there? :P Sep 05 15:20:28 heh, tis decent.. fuckin weather is horrible now Sep 05 15:20:46 but im in stockholm this weekend so enjoying being back to civilziation :D Sep 05 15:20:52 yay! :) Sep 05 15:21:06 nice it is so close :) Sep 05 15:21:17 bit like me working in paris i spose :P Sep 05 15:21:26 downside would have to be speaking french though lol Sep 05 15:22:21 hehe Sep 05 15:25:25 any one knows how to execute a c file in maemo,i mean from within the scratchbox Sep 05 15:26:12 i used this code to compile it in scratchbox gcc base.c `pkg-config hildon-1 --cflags --libs` -o base Sep 05 15:26:26 bince: ./base Sep 05 15:26:47 alterego:oh thanx a lot Sep 05 15:26:48 :D Sep 05 15:32:15 I can't copy or paste from or to Tear or Midori's url bar. does anyone know why? or am i stuck using microb :/ Sep 05 15:38:53 sevard: Ctrl+C then Ctrl+V should work everywhere Sep 05 15:56:12 Ok so who here has heard of DMAI and gstreamer_ti ? Sep 05 16:07:36 hello Sep 05 16:11:24 anyone know how i can make an m3u playlist for n900 ? Sep 05 16:11:47 s/everywhere/almost everywhere, except in xterm and similar apps where those keys got special meanings/ Sep 05 16:12:13 Chibi-Taiga: I told you earlier Sep 05 16:13:28 earlyer ? Sep 05 16:13:30 when Sep 05 16:13:39 i probaly didnt read it Sep 05 16:13:59 so much for giving you help then :p Sep 05 16:14:19 copy/paste it pls Sep 05 16:14:44 * jpinx-eeepc can't be arsed /lastlogging it Sep 05 16:15:25 a M3U file is just a text file - nothing magic - copy the format and write your own Sep 05 16:15:48 i like to write it by pc , i thought it was like '/home/user/MyDocs/Music/" Sep 05 16:15:51 but no luck Sep 05 16:17:02 its easyer with playlists, specialy if you have acdsee jusr select all and copy > paste in notepad and save as m3u Sep 05 16:17:27 ok just rename the folder but thats 1 shot to with replace Sep 05 16:17:46 it would be beter if the nokias could folder play Sep 05 16:18:44 i tried compile supertux2 (v0.3.3) with opengles support, build completed, but when i start the game, no image, just black screen with sound... I can start the leveles, and etc, but no image :D. Could anyone help me? pls :) Sep 05 16:18:53 btw where does n900 save its playlist ? Sep 05 16:19:10 i might take it and use it as sample Sep 05 16:19:39 Andy1210: why aren't you using the sw renderer? Sep 05 16:20:08 because slow and laggy Sep 05 16:20:11 i cant find anything usefull on google eighter Sep 05 16:22:35 Chibi-Taiga: /home/user/.mafw-playlists/* Sep 05 16:23:06 so with that line i can make a playlist ? Sep 05 16:24:38 Andy1210, you will have to look at how tuxrace was compiled Sep 05 16:24:41 and see about similar Sep 05 16:24:59 * lcuk plays supertux original often Sep 05 16:28:22 Chibi-Taiga: yup Sep 05 16:28:59 and with grep FmpAudioPlaylist /home/user/.mafw-playlists/* line you even can get current playlist it seems Sep 05 16:30:36 so "/home/user/.mafw-playlists/music/exit trance/" ? Sep 05 16:30:39 tuxrace not similar Sep 05 16:36:16 Chibi-Taiga: mafw is using tracker database to refer to media files, so please look at the content you findin path quoted above, and relate what you find to what youcreated with 'save playlist' in mediaplayer Sep 05 16:37:11 im in that folder, but how can i see what files aare in there? ,im totaly not used to linux based systems Sep 05 16:37:27 <- windows noob Sep 05 16:37:46 ls will help :) Sep 05 16:37:51 i prefer ls -lsA Sep 05 16:38:04 Chibi-Taiga: tracker in turn is relying on tags inside mp3 rather than directory structure, so creating your own playlists in a generic way will involve getting the content of thos ID3 tags Sep 05 16:38:26 uhh ? Sep 05 16:38:28 How do you take screenshot of your N900? Sep 05 16:38:42 ctrl-shift-p Sep 05 16:39:19 i used to creat playlist for my n82 "e:\Music\Exit Trance Presents Speed Anime Trance Best 7\" that always worked Sep 05 16:39:39 but this is more difficult, i should have stayed symbian Sep 05 16:39:46 It didnt work! Sep 05 16:39:51 * DocScrutinizer51 shrugs Sep 05 16:40:04 it worked Sep 05 16:40:14 really! Sep 05 16:40:16 lolloo: it always works Sep 05 16:40:28 i always use playlists instead tags and the order how nokias order them Sep 05 16:40:33 its confusing Sep 05 16:40:45 Chibi-Taiga: ack Sep 05 16:40:53 it should be like the walkmenphones onf sony Sep 05 16:40:57 of* Sep 05 16:41:08 mediaplayer and tracker are a brainfuck and a PITA Sep 05 16:41:36 just simple play a folder , although a playlist is fine to sothat it plays on order Sep 05 16:41:37 DocScrutinizer51: where is the shot? Sep 05 16:41:38 tracker - as in gps ? Sep 05 16:42:29 where can I find the screenshot I did by using Ctrl+shift+P Sep 05 16:42:37 lolloo: /home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots Sep 05 16:43:08 DocScrutinizer51: I will check, thank you! Sep 05 16:43:11 or in imageviewer, after tracker has indexed them :-P Sep 05 16:43:53 i guess i make them the long way -.- Sep 05 16:44:07 jpinx-eeepc: tracker as in spotlight / kerry beagle / desktop search, dunno what Sep 05 16:44:14 bbiab Sep 05 16:44:21 1043 music files but ohwell Sep 05 16:45:24 DocScrutinizer51: oh Thank you! you the man! Sep 05 16:45:47 Chibi-Taiga: at least with decent ID3 tags you got interprets & albums as generated 'playlists' in mediaplayer. And there's musorgsky app to add cover art and edit ID3 on N900 Sep 05 16:46:20 well, i have folders to with random tracs Sep 05 16:47:09 Chibi-Taiga: I am completely on same page with you about size and type of balls it sucks that media player doesn't know a shit about directory structure of media file collections, but meh Sep 05 16:47:41 thats why i want to creat playlists but i dont know how its formulated for n900 Sep 05 16:47:45 there's just so much you can do about it Sep 05 16:48:07 playlist is easyer for me Sep 05 16:48:55 i cant even figure out what drive leter the massa storage has mby that will fix the problem like on smartphones symbian Sep 05 16:49:47 Chibi-Taiga: do `ls -l /home/user/.mafw-playlists`; then save a playlist and do same again. You'll find a new file Sep 05 16:50:10 ill try Sep 05 16:50:51 then you look at that new file by `cat /home/user/.mafw-playlists/4` for example, where 4 is the name of the new file Sep 05 16:52:58 6. line=number of files (guess); 3. line is name of playlist you gave; 2. line is ???; 8.+ lines are the songs in your playlist Sep 05 16:53:12 uhh ? Sep 05 16:53:25 i made an test playlist in the media player Sep 05 16:53:34 named as test Sep 05 16:54:05 but it doesnt seems to find it Sep 05 16:54:39 the name of the file is not you playlist name Sep 05 16:54:49 o i c Sep 05 16:54:51 it's a random sequence number integer Sep 05 16:54:55 oh Sep 05 16:55:39 3. line is name of playlist you gave Sep 05 16:56:43 http://a.imageshack.us/img715/9508/screenshot2010090518523.png for ls -l /home/user/.mafw-playlists/ Sep 05 16:56:48 most likely your new playlist is the highest number file you find by `ls -l /home/user/.mafw-playlists` Sep 05 16:57:17 am i going the rite way ? Sep 05 16:57:45 yup, do `cat /home/user/.mafw-playlists/4` as suggested above Sep 05 16:59:18 http://a.imageshack.us/img545/9438/screenshot2010090518554.png Sep 05 16:59:21 like that Sep 05 16:59:32 Chibi-Taiga: but honestly and no offense intended - are you sure you have the necessary knowledge to deal with creating your own new playlists this way? Sep 05 17:00:07 w00t_, your avatar really has that "Muahaha!" evil smirk look going at the maemo.org pixel count. Sep 05 17:00:07 uhh not this way, it looks complicated compare to windows way Sep 05 17:01:03 i thought it woulda be simple to creat an m3u like on the smartphones Sep 05 17:01:34 seems mediaplayer doesn't care about m3u :-S Sep 05 17:01:45 i simply selected all random tracks and copy and then pasted it in notepac Sep 05 17:01:54 well it does read m3u Sep 05 17:02:02 but just the directory Sep 05 17:02:17 it cant locate the files cuz the folder is wrong Sep 05 17:02:38 like i said earlyer i though /home/user/mydocs/music/ Sep 05 17:03:32 but it seems it doesnt work that way Sep 05 17:05:13 and i cant find on google eighter how it folders it Sep 05 17:05:41 can someone post the output of uname -r for kernel-power Sep 05 17:07:26 if i only know how i can access the right pad to music Sep 05 17:08:30 MohammadAG, 2.6.28.10power40 Sep 05 17:08:51 ta Sep 05 17:11:33 linux is to complicated -.- Sep 05 17:13:36 Chibi-Taiga, my care engine is complicated too, i could never fix it myself, but i can still happily drive my car around. Sep 05 17:13:47 i get an headache of this phone Sep 05 17:14:14 all i wanted is a simple playlist not a code playlist Sep 05 17:14:46 hahaha Sep 05 17:14:47 simply just d:\music\random\ Sep 05 17:15:13 :( Sep 05 17:15:16 never thought it would be this hard for something simple like it should be Sep 05 17:15:48 Chibi-Taiga, hmm lemme just read scrollback because it shouldnt be *odd* Sep 05 17:15:51 why in the heck does it support m3u anyways Sep 05 17:16:06 if I remember correctly m3u should be just a text file with file paths Sep 05 17:16:12 yeah Sep 05 17:16:19 it is a simple text file Sep 05 17:16:26 get used to it. Sep 05 17:16:35 for a player that cant order like nokia players Sep 05 17:16:41 hehehe Sep 05 17:16:54 just do "ls dir > file.m3u" to create it Sep 05 17:17:04 this is not a phone its a gadget Sep 05 17:17:11 linux is awesome :) Sep 05 17:17:14 uhm Sep 05 17:17:21 i want to creat it on pc Sep 05 17:17:26 easyer copy/paste Sep 05 17:17:27 and done Sep 05 17:17:29 >_> Sep 05 17:17:46 Dassu: I really want to know basics of linux, where do I start: Sep 05 17:17:55 doesnt media player end up showing things in folders/albums anyway Sep 05 17:18:06 * lcuk has never touched console to play music Sep 05 17:18:22 folders no, albums yes Sep 05 17:18:25 lcuk: how did you do that? Sep 05 17:18:33 well my mp3s are just in folders Sep 05 17:18:35 lolloo has never Sep 05 17:18:42 and media player ended up deciding that they are albums Sep 05 17:18:48 * lcuk shrugs Sep 05 17:18:49 i has few cd's and losts randoms Sep 05 17:18:58 mmm how did you write in 3rd person? Sep 05 17:19:02 but i noticed this phone dont play on order Sep 05 17:19:07 lolloo has never used Sep 05 17:19:10 lolloo: dunno actually Sep 05 17:19:11 it plays on artst or something Sep 05 17:19:12 lcuk: nope Sep 05 17:19:35 lcuk: tracker decided they are albums, based on ID3 tags Sep 05 17:19:36 it knows kylie fever Sep 05 17:19:46 thats just a folder Sep 05 17:19:52 lolloo: well double tab presses gives you list of commands Sep 05 17:19:54 and pulp different class Sep 05 17:19:56 ditto Sep 05 17:19:57 its bothersome to use i3d tags Sep 05 17:20:02 id3 Sep 05 17:20:11 lolloo: then there is "man" thar gives you the manual Sep 05 17:20:31 whoosh then :S Sep 05 17:21:08 * lcuk carries on bashing liqflow into submission Sep 05 17:21:12 why does nokai miss something this special" folder play" Sep 05 17:21:31 nobody knows Sep 05 17:21:33 lolloo: then you might search for the "bash guide" actually you can script (do programming) on linux shell. like " if [ 0 ]; then echo lol ; fi" Sep 05 17:22:03 sigh ill keep using my n95 Sep 05 17:22:48 Chibi-Taiga, is the music actually coming over to your 900 correctly Sep 05 17:22:55 its just not playlisting in the order you want? Sep 05 17:23:06 DocScrutinizer: has to be said that the n900 default software is badly sukky Sep 05 17:23:14 anyway you can play single files from folders, by clicking them in filemanager Sep 05 17:23:15 well for random tracs its anoying Sep 05 17:23:17 Chibi-Taiga: You should be excited to enbark on this new mission ( Like indiana jones) Sep 05 17:24:39 need a player like TTpod Sep 05 17:24:49 thats one awesome custom player Sep 05 17:25:52 lcuk: seems Chibi-Taiga has random selections of mp3 in a folder called 'my-evenings-playlist' or whatever, or he has ludwig_van/9/1.mp3 and it doesn't have ID3 tags so is sorted under 'unknown interpret' by mediaplayer Sep 05 17:26:10 >_> Sep 05 17:26:45 there are linked tracs, well tracks that follow to each other Sep 05 17:27:00 but since it are only 2-3 trachs i drop it under random Sep 05 17:27:09 tracks* Sep 05 17:28:12 i just dont get it why it support m3u i cant make one Sep 05 17:28:32 i guess linux systes dont use drive letter Sep 05 17:28:38 assignments w/e Sep 05 17:28:42 systems* Sep 05 17:28:46 not at all Sep 05 17:28:53 fact is (for all I've seen) mediaplayer doesn't know a shit about file hirachy, and only cares about ID3 tags, displaying the plain filename only for files.mp3 that have no tags at all Sep 05 17:28:56 it mounts a filesystem to a directory Sep 05 17:30:40 i give up, i hope someday someone creat a plugin "folder play" Sep 05 17:30:44 >_> Sep 05 17:31:11 i tryed everything i can think of to creat m3u files Sep 05 17:31:18 but it cant find the files Sep 05 17:31:42 even for those ID3-less files there's no way to get info about full pathname of file and implicit details like album-name/some-song.mp3 - the album name goes unnoticed Sep 05 17:32:09 i dont care for id3 Sep 05 17:34:17 oooh :-o, sorry I didn't notice Sep 05 17:34:18 all i want is "e:\Music\Exit Trance Presents Speed Anime Trance Best 7\01 Cagayake! GIRLS (K-ON! OP Theme).m4a" like that Sep 05 17:34:31 0,localtagfs::music/albums/Seventeen%2520Seconds/%2Fmedia%2Fmmc1%2Fallofmp3%2FC%2FCure%2C%20The%2FSeventeen%20Seconds%2F03%20 -%20Secrets.mp3 Sep 05 17:34:40 actually has full pathname Sep 05 17:35:02 o.o? Sep 05 17:36:30 fucking hell Sep 05 17:36:32 seriously Sep 05 17:36:35 i made some photos Sep 05 17:36:42 and then i had nothing in gallery Sep 05 17:36:44 or anywhere Sep 05 17:37:08 lol, killed tracker? Sep 05 17:37:08 just messages in dmesg that there was some problem with fs Sep 05 17:37:16 ouch Sep 05 17:37:22 WTF??? Sep 05 17:37:29 why there was no message that saving failed Sep 05 17:38:41 photos i make appear on pc link under images Sep 05 17:38:48 Chibi-Taiga: do you think your "e:\Music\Exit Trance Presen..." foo would work even on a different winblows box, where those friggin driveletters might be completely different? Sep 05 17:39:14 what you mean ? Sep 05 17:40:00 I mean you're asking for something to work on a linux device which would fail even on windows Sep 05 17:40:24 [ 3650.241302] FAT: Filesystem error (dev mmcblk1p1) Sep 05 17:40:24 [ 3650.241302] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 371193997) Sep 05 17:40:24 [ 3650.241333] FAT: Filesystem error (dev mmcblk1p1) Sep 05 17:40:24 [ 3650.241333] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 371193997) Sep 05 17:40:29 that kind of shit Sep 05 17:42:07 no on windows it works fine >_> Sep 05 17:42:17 BS Sep 05 17:42:18 als on my n95 Sep 05 17:43:26 but i know i cant use that path for n900 so i thought to change it to" /home/user/mydocs/music/Exit Trance Presents Speed Anime Trance Best 7\01 Cagayake! GIRLS (K-ON! OP Theme).m4a" Sep 05 17:43:31 DocScrutinizer: m3u files have relative paths Sep 05 17:43:35 on *your* windows it works fine, locally. You never tested the porting to a different machine, and now you bitch it doesn't work to port these playlists tah work for your local setup, when you take them to linux Sep 05 17:43:54 jacekowski: all i want is "e:\Music\Exit Trance Presents Speed Anime Trance Best 7\01 Cagayake! GIRLS (K-ON! OP Theme).m4a" like that Sep 05 17:43:58 all systems i have is windows Sep 05 17:44:01 unless it's m3u made with some braindead player Sep 05 17:44:14 and i know each pc has its own drive assignemt Sep 05 17:44:44 if i copy file to c it would be "c:\Exit Trance Presents Speed Anime Trance Best 7\01 Cagayake! GIRLS (K-ON! OP Theme).m4a" Sep 05 17:45:04 that are things i know but i dont know anything for linux Sep 05 17:45:41 besides, nobody listen to trance Sep 05 17:45:59 * DocScrutinizer gives up Sep 05 17:46:20 m3u should be portable Sep 05 17:46:26 because it's using relative file names Sep 05 17:46:50 well i copy them from pc to device Sep 05 17:46:55 then obviously that's no m3u Chibi-Taiga is using Sep 05 17:46:56 i dont use any applications Sep 05 17:47:09 well its made by foobar Sep 05 17:48:04 but it seems i cant copu the old m3u files to this device Sep 05 17:48:10 copy Sep 05 17:48:34 yeah Sep 05 17:48:48 foobar uses absolute paths Sep 05 17:49:46 so can we agree on "use decent tools and please don't pester linux folks about borkedness of windows shitty tools", pretty please? Sep 05 17:50:48 thing is that most players try to deal with absolute paths Sep 05 17:50:48 >_> Sep 05 17:50:50 and find files Sep 05 17:51:03 so what? Sep 05 17:51:28 so, at the moment i've got no photos Sep 05 17:51:34 patch linux to support windows driveletters??? Sep 05 17:51:36 so what app can make them for linux ? Sep 05 17:51:45 because n900 decided that my fs is fucked without any warning Sep 05 17:51:56 jacekowski: ass rage now Sep 05 17:52:12 disable automounter on your local box, ass rage, dd everything Sep 05 17:52:24 then fsck Sep 05 17:52:49 i did Sep 05 17:52:53 but it's too late now Sep 05 17:52:56 kerio: thanks for a few sensible words, I was about to go nuts Sep 05 17:52:56 :( Sep 05 17:52:56 photos are gone Sep 05 17:53:17 if it would warn me i could deal with the problem Sep 05 17:53:20 but there was no warning Sep 05 17:53:27 use a recoverer Sep 05 17:53:31 something like undelete Sep 05 17:53:31 no Sep 05 17:53:38 photos were not written at all Sep 05 17:53:45 oh, you mean the last two photos Sep 05 17:53:47 who cares Sep 05 17:53:52 it's your data you're talking about here Sep 05 17:53:53 :| Sep 05 17:54:07 anyways atleast tell me what app i can use to make playlist readablefor n900 Sep 05 17:54:21 Chibi-Taiga: really, fix your tags :< Sep 05 17:54:50 there are a couple programs who can find tags from the path Sep 05 17:54:51 but tags arnt good for randomness Sep 05 17:54:59 tags are *definetely* good for randomness Sep 05 17:55:00 duh Sep 05 17:56:05 as a side note, i don't listen to anything that isn't worth listening togheter with the full album Sep 05 17:56:39 kerio: so when you go for a quickie, you watch anal addicts 1 through 12? Sep 05 17:57:09 crashanddie: nah, i just continue where i left off Sep 05 17:57:12 o.O Sep 05 17:57:16 my tags looks like http://a.imageshack.us/img825/1549/82854374.png Sep 05 17:57:22 ;P Sep 05 17:57:27 kerio: good one :P Sep 05 17:57:48 Chibi-Taiga: so? Sep 05 17:57:52 Chibi-Taiga: is it a japanese song? Sep 05 17:58:05 i don't expect my english songs to have an italian title Sep 05 17:58:09 basicly all are i only romanized them for n95 Sep 05 17:58:24 n95 no kanji support Sep 05 17:58:27 >_> Sep 05 17:58:52 seems n900 has kanji support Sep 05 17:58:52 Chibi-Taiga, lol, so you can flex your stuff for the n95 but can't do similar flexing for n900 Sep 05 17:59:08 which by tagging your media would actually help for now and evermore :P Sep 05 17:59:10 romanizing japanese is not that hard Sep 05 17:59:27 anyway, if you're really into japanese music, you should learn at least the alphabet Sep 05 17:59:27 kerio: nope, you just need an english keyboard :D Sep 05 17:59:32 eh ? likei said i said i used playlist, ofcource n95 had kanji tracks witch appeared as squares Sep 05 17:59:53 so... you didn't fix the tags and lived with the square titles? Sep 05 17:59:56 which would help with randomness i bet Sep 05 18:00:03 lcuk: lol Sep 05 18:00:14 so what part do i have to fix then ? Sep 05 18:00:24 Chibi-Taiga: meh, write a script to romanize the tags for you Sep 05 18:00:27 And also awesome if you want to share it with a friend, "Dude, what's that song's name?" "errr." Sep 05 18:00:28 run an id3 scanner on it Sep 05 18:00:41 to store id3 tags based on your folder stuff? Sep 05 18:00:57 oh, right Sep 05 18:01:11 i'd just use a romaji converter Sep 05 18:02:00 i dont get it anymore though Sep 05 18:02:18 Chibi-Taiga: the default mediaplayer is somewhat of a nonstandard mess Sep 05 18:02:24 the media player can read on album or artist Sep 05 18:02:38 so yeah, good luck on getting playlists on Sep 05 18:02:41 so i have to rename all albumsto random ? Sep 05 18:02:49 huh? Sep 05 18:02:51 what do you want to do? Sep 05 18:02:58 listen to random songs? Sep 05 18:03:20 just press the "random" button? Sep 05 18:03:21 there's a button to do that, yknow Sep 05 18:03:24 or shuffle Sep 05 18:03:36 crashanddie: dude! Sep 05 18:03:41 do you *want* apple to sue you? Sep 05 18:03:47 :P Sep 05 18:03:54 I'm not afraid Sep 05 18:03:58 I'm drinking orange juice! Sep 05 18:04:28 i used to play them in folders http://a.imageshack.us/img834/6027/57998819.png Sep 05 18:04:38 just like they apear Sep 05 18:05:04 where... where's the antialias Sep 05 18:05:17 i don't even Sep 05 18:06:36 Chibi-Taiga, you could look at different media players which do what you want Sep 05 18:06:40 but the system one does not Sep 05 18:06:48 i believe ukmp plays by folder Sep 05 18:06:59 and when canola comes out that should too afaik Sep 05 18:07:08 i see Sep 05 18:07:19 so if you want to group like you have them Sep 05 18:07:33 you will have to id3 tag them into whatever combination you want Sep 05 18:07:36 i do since w850i Sep 05 18:07:38 prior to copying on Sep 05 18:07:44 i understand Sep 05 18:07:50 its a quesiton a lot of people have pondered Sep 05 18:08:11 when i got n95 and n82 i created playlist Sep 05 18:08:14 lcuk: do you know of media players that support bluetooth controls? Sep 05 18:08:14 but the tracker for whatever reason does not care for the layout of your mmc folders Sep 05 18:08:21 no Sep 05 18:08:25 but you could look :P Sep 05 18:08:30 * lcuk rarely plays much music Sep 05 18:08:47 * DocScrutinizer is pondering to throw together a silly lil script to create mediaplayer playlists from folder names Sep 05 18:08:55 good thing is it supports flac to now , no more converting needed Sep 05 18:09:13 DocScrutinizer, ++ Sep 05 18:09:22 and allow it to be rerun Sep 05 18:09:26 to rescan as required Sep 05 18:09:35 sure :-P Sep 05 18:09:35 * lcuk supports that kind of thinking Sep 05 18:09:48 simple workaroundish at least Sep 05 18:10:19 oh another question , perl where can i get it since some xchat scripts need it Sep 05 18:11:06 lcuk: because it's supposed to be file-agnostic Sep 05 18:11:07 I'm not sure xchat on N900 is perl-enabled Sep 05 18:11:16 move songs, media player doesn't care Sep 05 18:11:25 i see Sep 05 18:12:16 hmm perl is deffo available, but as doc says xchat might not have it usable Sep 05 18:12:36 humm Sep 05 18:12:59 when i try loading a script it ask for perl or python w/e its called Sep 05 18:13:30 RST38h refuses to pull in too many dependencies for building xchat Sep 05 18:13:53 i see Sep 05 18:13:56 python definitely isn't enabled in xchat Sep 05 18:14:08 isn't python preinstalled? Sep 05 18:14:14 ohwell Sep 05 18:14:16 if it's not, i should really install it Sep 05 18:14:22 RST38h: where's my python enabled xchat?? :-P Sep 05 18:14:24 tobad there is no mirc for linux Sep 05 18:14:33 Chibi-Taiga: mirc is a mediocre irc client Sep 05 18:14:34 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/xchat/2.8.6-maemo16/ Sep 05 18:14:38 perl not a dep of xchat Sep 05 18:15:01 err perl not mentioned as a dependency within xchat Sep 05 18:15:02 kerio: the xchat python plugin is missing Sep 05 18:15:03 rather Sep 05 18:15:19 lcuk: I thought about making a nifty IRC client using liqbase Sep 05 18:15:20 DocScrutinizer: no, i mean, python Sep 05 18:15:21 infobot, maemosdk Sep 05 18:15:21 maemosdk is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Sep 05 18:15:23 possibly python3 Sep 05 18:15:28 i rather use mirc then xchat Sep 05 18:15:32 lcuk: or at least a fast UI framework Sep 05 18:15:46 crashanddie, sure, i thought about it too Sep 05 18:15:46 Chibi-Taiga: so install windows 98 under dosbox Sep 05 18:16:10 i even started to make some notes: http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_191242._maemo.scr.png Sep 05 18:16:13 crashanddie, ^ Sep 05 18:16:19 thats to slow , i tryed that on n82 , and 300mhz wont make any difrents Sep 05 18:16:21 Chibi-Taiga: then / than. Sep 05 18:16:26 not for an windows Sep 05 18:16:46 Chibi-Taiga: you should also read about sarcasm Sep 05 18:16:51 lcuk: it needs some sexing up though Sep 05 18:17:52 sofar n900is an ok phone though, just need to get used to the os Sep 05 18:18:33 crashanddie, indeed it does :) Sep 05 18:18:37 huh? it's not a phone Sep 05 18:18:45 i was more intested in looking at functionality Sep 05 18:18:47 ok pocket pc Sep 05 18:18:50 and requirements Sep 05 18:19:00 than of making it look good too early Sep 05 18:19:20 kerio: yes it is indeed a pocket pc since it cant make sip calls reliably. Sep 05 18:19:38 pocketpcs are made by microsoft Sep 05 18:19:40 it's a NIT Sep 05 18:19:42 dammit >.< Sep 05 18:19:48 kerio: NIT, whatever. Sep 05 18:19:48 >_> Sep 05 18:20:00 netbook >_> Sep 05 18:20:06 mini netbook Sep 05 18:20:15 only flash is missing Sep 05 18:20:17 >_> Sep 05 18:20:17 nini metbook! Sep 05 18:20:27 ans silverlight Sep 05 18:21:23 laso is miss hdmi >_> Sep 05 18:21:34 flash is there :| Sep 05 18:21:46 adome flash player ? Sep 05 18:21:49 adobe Sep 05 18:22:01 plugin for web browser ? Sep 05 18:22:09 3 months on a 'major' sip bug and no resolution until now, bug #10388 Sep 05 18:22:10 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? Sep 05 18:22:10 yes... Sep 05 18:22:10 i cant view youtube Sep 05 18:22:23 works perfectly here Sep 05 18:23:26 guess its opera then Sep 05 18:23:32 that donw play youtube Sep 05 18:24:10 I have firefox, how can I install flash for youtube? Sep 05 18:24:17 Chibi-Taiga: opera doesnt support flash on N900 Sep 05 18:24:23 which package should i Sep 05 18:24:27 install? Sep 05 18:24:47 darn Sep 05 18:25:02 what extention should I download? Sep 05 18:25:14 firefox for n900 ? Sep 05 18:25:22 yes please... Sep 05 18:25:27 i need that Sep 05 18:25:50 it directed me to adobe website to download flash Sep 05 18:26:14 moin Sep 05 18:26:16 but which extention is compatibil with N900? Sep 05 18:27:00 linux probaly Sep 05 18:27:46 btw are there any good vid players for mkv ? Sep 05 18:28:34 i tried enabling flash with fennec but i only got audio... Sep 05 18:28:36 lolloo: there's an extension for fennec that enables the plugin for youtube Sep 05 18:28:47 oh i just enabled it in about:config Sep 05 18:30:00 Chibi-Taiga: FWIW, adobe.com only provides x86 and x86_64 Linux images Sep 05 18:30:18 i see Sep 05 18:30:31 it's preinstalled Sep 05 18:30:35 it just doesn't work on opear Sep 05 18:41:35 meh firefox is crap it doesnt support plugins i use on pc Sep 05 18:42:28 you mean adobe doesnt support the browser you use Sep 05 18:42:31 kerio: Thank you, but in the adobe.com site which file is compatible with maemo5? Sep 05 18:42:42 lolloo: it's preinstalled Sep 05 18:42:43 >.< Sep 05 18:42:52 hahaha Sep 05 18:43:47 opera is the best for now, tobad no flash support but i use the regular wb for it Sep 05 18:44:02 Chibi-Taiga, the built in web browser has flash support Sep 05 18:44:14 i know Sep 05 18:44:18 i just tested it Sep 05 18:44:33 just opera dont Sep 05 18:44:44 what about firefox? Sep 05 18:44:52 it does support flahs Sep 05 18:44:56 flash Sep 05 18:45:06 it sems i cant find out how to get flash running in ff Sep 05 18:45:17 I think firefox is best Sep 05 18:45:23 fast too Sep 05 18:45:24 also it dont suppor some of the plugins i use on pc Sep 05 18:45:30 fast ? Sep 05 18:45:32 youre nuts Sep 05 18:45:38 hahaha Sep 05 18:45:40 ff is one of the slowest web brouwser Sep 05 18:45:53 since it takes alot ram to load it Sep 05 18:46:13 true Sep 05 18:46:17 even on my pc it takes uo +/-10 sec befor ff opens Sep 05 18:46:28 up to * Sep 05 18:46:42 its just ff supports alot Sep 05 18:46:50 is a reason why i use it on pc Sep 05 18:48:58 oh yeah is there an messenger live for maemo ? Sep 05 18:56:04 hmm Sep 05 18:56:28 psfreedom needs musb_core.h to be built Sep 05 18:56:42 that's not part of the headers package Sep 05 18:56:59 can i provide binaries in the source package, or should I pull in the whole kernel source? Sep 05 18:58:23 did you all ignore Chibi-Taiga but me? Sep 05 18:59:55 MohammadAG51, Sep 05 19:00:04 "musb_core.h" needs building? Sep 05 19:00:09 what does it get compiled into Sep 05 19:00:11 its a header.. Sep 05 19:00:40 * Noobmonk3y lols Sep 05 19:00:41 MohammadAG51: add build depend to kernel sources Sep 05 19:01:49 lol @kerio Sep 05 19:03:29 kerio, o_O no i had looked away Sep 05 19:06:07 lol and yay!!!! scratchbox is working! Sep 05 19:08:23 lcuk, musb.c i think Sep 05 19:08:42 err, .o Sep 05 19:08:46 then it goes in the kernel Sep 05 19:10:25 MohammadAG51, check first Sep 05 19:10:27 does maemo use 3d graphics very well? I get sluggish performance when moving through apps! Sep 05 19:10:31 because .h usually does not produce anything Sep 05 19:10:34 since its headers Sep 05 19:10:51 lolloo, powervr dashboard and desktop panning and stuff Sep 05 19:11:01 and the dialogs fade and pop using it Sep 05 19:11:05 i'll check the full source when i'm back Sep 05 19:11:14 when do you get sluggishnes Sep 05 19:11:14 s Sep 05 19:11:20 should get a bag for my new laptop Sep 05 19:11:41 it doesn't fit in my old 12" one, for obvious reasons Sep 05 19:12:15 right, back laters! :) Sep 05 19:12:17 nite alls Sep 05 19:12:19 lcuk: contacts, programs dashboard Sep 05 19:12:40 lolloo, dashboard works for many people, which bit of it doesnt Sep 05 19:12:43 nite Noobmonk3y Sep 05 19:12:44 \ol Sep 05 19:15:32 lcuk: When scrolling through my apps i get sluggish movements as if thier is no gfx card built in the fone, and dont forget contacts! horrible slideshow! Sep 05 19:16:20 * nox- suspects the sluggishness just means is swapping Sep 05 19:16:26 its Sep 05 19:16:58 I get sluggishness when scrolling stuff in gpodder too :) Sep 05 19:17:00 * ShadowJK blames gtk Sep 05 19:17:17 .oO(which might be the reason iphones only allow running one app at a time?) Sep 05 19:17:32 lol Sep 05 19:17:34 iphone Sep 05 19:17:37 the worst ever Sep 05 19:17:42 hehe Sep 05 19:17:55 onlything thats good about them is the display Sep 05 19:18:08 thats all the rest is crap for a huge ammount of $$ Sep 05 19:18:20 no really I get bad performance when looking through my contacts! Sep 05 19:18:34 * nox- still remembers the time when apple computers came with schematics and everything, and now you have to `jailbreak' their stuff... Sep 05 19:18:37 my n900 works fine wit htat Sep 05 19:18:44 where has the world come to :( Sep 05 19:19:08 maemo5 should have better gfx drivers! Dont you guys think that? Sep 05 19:19:23 its probaly not the drivers but the chip Sep 05 19:19:35 I even overclocked my fone but sluggynish is still there! Sep 05 19:19:44 825 mhz here Sep 05 19:19:46 works fine Sep 05 19:19:50 niceeeee Sep 05 19:20:17 Do you use QcpuFreq? Sep 05 19:20:18 when i try 900mhz, it reboots but its still stock Sep 05 19:20:21 no Sep 05 19:20:26 xterminal overclock Sep 05 19:20:58 http://www.symbian-freak.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=43054 Sep 05 19:21:40 900mhz is safe still Sep 05 19:21:47 1150 mhz is rage Sep 05 19:22:05 youre phone need to be realy stable to run that Sep 05 19:22:22 is there any means of using GnuPG with maemo 5's built-in mail client? Sep 05 19:23:57 nox-, one app at a time wouldnt matter, its the sheer work that gtk + x11 combined have to do and whilst I know theres optimisations around, am not sure of whether they were stable and generic enough to be accepted Sep 05 19:25:25 mm idunnu xorg on my 486 was more `responsive' as long as the box wasnt swapping... Sep 05 19:25:27 ~overclocking Sep 05 19:25:27 "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" Sep 05 19:25:41 ~botsnack Sep 05 19:25:41 MNZ: :) Sep 05 19:26:04 yes, what if I... Sep 05 19:26:09 and then... Sep 05 19:26:13 nox-, make your 486 do compositing too Sep 05 19:26:13 it should work, right? Sep 05 19:26:23 Heh Sep 05 19:26:27 lcuk, :) Sep 05 19:26:28 ~nuke Overclocked N900 Sep 05 19:26:28 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at Overclocked N900 ... B☢☢M! Sep 05 19:27:32 lcuk, the gfx card could only do 2d `accelleration' (was an s3 trio 64 with 2 MB) Sep 05 19:27:52 ~nuke nox's house Sep 05 19:27:52 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at nox's house ... B☢☢M! Sep 05 19:28:06 like i said its fully tested 900 mhz is safe Sep 05 19:28:15 over it its a chance to break it Sep 05 19:28:23 1150 mhz can do at max Sep 05 19:28:35 rtyler, the 486 was already dead anyway :P Sep 05 19:28:47 I did 1000 but using QcpuFreq Sep 05 19:28:56 is it reliable? Sep 05 19:29:01 i dont know Sep 05 19:29:01 oi Chibi-Taiga Sep 05 19:29:06 "is safe" Sep 05 19:29:09 quit that Sep 05 19:29:21 well acording to the forums 900mhz is safe Sep 05 19:29:22 in your singular experience you may run that Sep 05 19:29:24 can you provide me with the commands for xterm? Sep 05 19:29:35 you need files for it Sep 05 19:29:46 i did Sep 05 19:29:53 and i posted the link for it Sep 05 19:29:53 uname -r Sep 05 19:29:56 just register Sep 05 19:30:00 i get power40 Sep 05 19:30:06 Chibi-Taiga: we already had couple people here with broken phones Sep 05 19:30:13 kernel-config something Sep 05 19:30:15 Chibi-Taiga: because they were thinking that 800MHz is safe Sep 05 19:30:17 no Sep 05 19:30:27 you will be next Sep 05 19:30:36 jacekowski: god, you're such a troll :P Sep 05 19:30:43 will see Sep 05 19:30:43 well, not a troll, just a douche, really. Sep 05 19:30:53 do i look like i care? Sep 05 19:30:54 sofar it runs like this 2 months Sep 05 19:31:05 Chibi-Taiga: that being said, jacekowski is right. You'll break your phone, and then come and cry in here Sep 05 19:31:30 at which point, we'll go "haha" Sep 05 19:32:09 if it really was `safe' wouldnt it already be running at that speed by default already? Sep 05 19:32:23 hm one already too much :) Sep 05 19:32:39 how about this, a vnc server for maemo5? Sep 05 19:32:47 there is one Sep 05 19:32:56 in the garage? Sep 05 19:33:02 * rtyler is still getting used to digging about Sep 05 19:33:06 http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=vnc&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same Sep 05 19:33:16 maemo packages interface is good Sep 05 19:33:19 for eywords Sep 05 19:33:23 not only that, nox-, but the real power would come from increasing the RAM speed, MMC speed, etc Sep 05 19:33:29 rtyler, in HAM Sep 05 19:33:48 humm Sep 05 19:33:55 link for ram speed Sep 05 19:34:00 Chibi-Taiga: when I use QcpuFreq and alter the speed, I go to Xterm and type "kernel-config show" Sep 05 19:34:06 lcuk: what's HAM an acronym for? Sep 05 19:34:13 rtyler: Hildon Application Manager Sep 05 19:34:15 hildon application manager Sep 05 19:34:19 I get the new speed correctly Sep 05 19:34:27 s/hildon/slow/ Sep 05 19:34:32 humm Sep 05 19:34:33 ah, is that something different than the default package manager in maemo5? Sep 05 19:34:39 no Sep 05 19:34:44 it's the default app manager Sep 05 19:34:47 but after reboor is the speed back to stock ? Sep 05 19:34:50 there is fapman as well Sep 05 19:34:51 reboot Sep 05 19:34:59 and fapman is a lot faster Sep 05 19:35:04 Chibi-Taiga: yes Sep 05 19:35:16 well the xterminal way stays Sep 05 19:35:22 no need to reconfig Sep 05 19:35:38 also Qcpufreq is easy Sep 05 19:35:47 jacekowski, remove all your extra repositories Sep 05 19:35:52 you can change speed in one click Sep 05 19:35:53 so its the proper safe ones Sep 05 19:35:59 and its a lot lot faster Sep 05 19:36:07 -devel and -testing really strain it Sep 05 19:36:16 Chibi-Taiga: Thanks mate Sep 05 19:36:22 with thousands more packages than it ever used to have to handle Sep 05 19:36:30 so what do i need for this Qcpufreq Sep 05 19:36:33 and many many more versions thereof Sep 05 19:36:37 tough Sep 05 19:36:39 mmm but I still get sluggish movement in contacts Sep 05 19:36:56 Chibi-Taiga: Nothing really just install it Sep 05 19:37:04 and try it out Sep 05 19:37:08 link ? Sep 05 19:37:10 one more stupid question, maemo5 is codenamed diablo or fremantle? Sep 05 19:37:15 fremantle Sep 05 19:37:19 fremantle. Sep 05 19:37:21 fanks Sep 05 19:37:28 and use "kernel-config show" to be sure overclocked is applied Sep 05 19:37:44 conky i use to se if its oced Sep 05 19:37:50 lol @ rtyler Sep 05 19:38:35 I figure with x11vnc I'll be able to get stuff done faster while at my desktop Sep 05 19:40:10 is it called Qcpufreq in app list ? cuz i didnt see it Sep 05 19:40:48 apt-cache says the package name is qcpufreq Sep 05 19:41:03 ~omap-oc Sep 05 19:41:04 omap-oc is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! Sep 05 19:41:22 uhh is that another packlist that apt cashe? Sep 05 19:41:32 hm, which package should I take, from the Freemantle extras-devel or extras-testing Sep 05 19:41:41 * rtyler wonders if the "testing" denotation is similar to debian Sep 05 19:41:50 devil doesnt even work for me Sep 05 19:41:56 rtyler; Most definitely not. Sep 05 19:42:15 noted Sep 05 19:43:04 given the choice between -devel and -testing though, I'm uncertain which is safer Sep 05 19:43:06 is there app which well let you search through contacts. Sep 05 19:43:16 trumee: the contacts app does Sep 05 19:43:21 trumee; search for what? Sep 05 19:43:25 or do you mean by more than just name? Sep 05 19:43:30 rtyler: yes Sep 05 19:43:45 on PC is just do a grep on the vcf file. Sep 05 19:43:46 Qcpufreqohwell im happy it runs 825 Sep 05 19:44:12 trumee; install extended-contacts-search Sep 05 19:44:15 i want to search for any string match in the contacts Sep 05 19:44:23 h4waii: cheers Sep 05 19:44:30 Send beer. Sep 05 19:45:53 h4waii: extras-devel app. hmm Sep 05 19:47:27 trumee; Continue and your own risk. Sep 05 19:47:48 I'm trying game development, and I noticed some banding in my 32-bit images. If this is because the n900's screen is 16bit, I can't find a way to convert those images into a suitable format. At least using Photoshop. Sep 05 19:48:03 anyone has any experience on this ? Sep 05 19:48:04 h4waii: yeah. last thing i want is to crash the contacts db. Sep 05 19:48:26 trumee; Back it up, export all contacts to VCF and store off-site. Sep 05 19:48:27 i miss syncing the phone with Kde using opensync. Sep 05 19:48:40 trumee; The plugin works just fine on my device for the past who knows long. Sep 05 19:48:54 h4waii: N95 worked very well with opensync. N900 just craps out. Sep 05 19:49:13 jacktheripper: Adding a little noise can help Sep 05 19:49:19 h4waii: i dont care much about funambol or google sync :( Sep 05 19:50:10 SpeedEvil: I don't get how noise could help. They're gradients. Sep 05 19:50:41 jacktheripper: If you add noise to the amount of 1/2 LSB, you 'dither' the banding Sep 05 19:52:02 h4waii: does it search in Note field as well? Sep 05 19:52:11 h4waii: http://maemo.org/packages/view/extended-contacts-search/ doesnt mention that. Sep 05 19:52:43 trumee; No. Sep 05 19:52:57 h4waii: ok. doesnt help me then. Sep 05 19:53:31 h4waii: i usually have interesting bits in the Note field. Sep 05 19:54:37 jacktheripper: either use dithering, or use YUV Sep 05 19:56:23 ok guys. Thanks a lot. I'm trying dithering now. Sep 05 19:58:54 I want it smooth. And noise doesn't make it look good. When I apply some blur, banding kicks back in. I'll check what YUV is now. Sep 05 20:00:07 d'oh Sep 05 20:00:14 jyväskylä Sep 05 20:00:26 and another 3 day maemo-course Sep 05 20:01:02 thank god, advanced stuff and not again basic qt :) Sep 05 20:02:01 photoshop does not support YUV :/ Sep 05 20:03:20 :otep: Anybody here using BitchX? Sep 05 20:03:23 wtf Sep 05 20:03:31 OT: Sep 05 20:03:39 jacktheripper, omg Sep 05 20:03:59 http://a.imageshack.us/img830/5720/screenshot2010090521592.png wierd i dont even have them installed Sep 05 20:04:12 jacktheripper, thats a real shock - but the YUV mode suggested is not just for images Sep 05 20:04:28 it is a video mode and very different to the normal modes available Sep 05 20:04:49 kerio mentioned it because it does indeed support full 24bit, but its not just a single switch in your code to make it work Sep 05 20:04:50 I noticed, after reading some. Sep 05 20:05:07 (incidentally, all jpeg images are stored as YUV internally..) Sep 05 20:05:44 and you should not be attempting to use "smoothing" in your stuff Sep 05 20:05:48 you should be using dithering Sep 05 20:06:00 the same mechanism used commonly in gif images Sep 05 20:06:00 but I don't want 24bit support. Isn't the screen 16bit ? Sep 05 20:06:14 to allow their 256colors to be used as effectively as possible Sep 05 20:06:38 jacktheripper, the x11 drivers and all the usual software side is set in 16bit mode Sep 05 20:07:23 the video card can support an alternative video mode (which is the yuv overlay) used for movies and other apps, which is YUV mode and sends full 24bit color over Sep 05 20:07:38 but i think even then the screen is not fully 24bit, i dont think any lcd is Sep 05 20:08:07 it's 18bit. I think. So that's why videos don't look as bad as normal images ? Sep 05 20:08:13 yes Sep 05 20:08:44 jacktheripper, here is a page showing some differences (and a bug in my code) http://liqbase.net/liq.20100820_comparison_yuv_rgb_x11.htm Sep 05 20:09:47 I actually tried liqbase. Your scrolling is pretty impressive. Sep 05 20:10:13 ty Sep 05 20:40:54 Does Maemo Emulator actually come with Nokia SDK like the docs say or is that a myth? Sep 05 20:41:14 Lynoure: there is an N900 emulator, yes Sep 05 20:41:30 Venemo: how does on activate it? Sep 05 20:41:44 Lynoure: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54225 Sep 05 20:41:45 Venemo: I don't mean the simulator, but the emulator Sep 05 20:42:29 ah, different... worth a try Sep 05 20:42:45 Lynoure: this is about an N900 emulator Sep 05 20:42:58 Lynoure: no way related to the "simulator" Sep 05 20:43:05 Venemo: I don't seem to have those commands after installing Nokia SDK Sep 05 20:43:22 Lynoure: launch the MADDE terminal Sep 05 20:43:27 Venemo: where? Sep 05 20:44:02 Lynoure: if you installed the Maemo toolchain, it is in the start menu Sep 05 20:44:14 Venemo: I'm a linux user... Sep 05 20:44:35 Lynoure: well, I'm sure it's there, too Sep 05 20:44:50 Venemo: don't see it there next to the other stuff the SDK installed, at least :/ Sep 05 20:44:53 Lynoure: I have it installed on my Fedora, too, but I'm currently booted from Windows Sep 05 20:45:46 Lynoure: http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE Sep 05 20:45:49 I've so far tried on 2 different Kubuntus and 1 Debian, and the darn emulator is nowhere to be seen. Sep 05 20:45:58 Lynoure: "Use the terminal to run the MADDE commands as described in the guides." Sep 05 20:46:12 Lynoure: you have the mad command working, right? Sep 05 20:47:24 Venemo: that was the command that was not found. Do I need to install MADDE separately in addition to the SDK? Sep 05 20:48:04 Lynoure: no, the SDK works with MADDE, too Sep 05 20:48:36 Lynoure: but you can certainly try installing MADDE Sep 05 20:48:40 Lynoure: should work Sep 05 20:48:41 Venemo: hmm... but I don't have that command. :/ Sep 05 20:49:28 Lynoure: I believe you. Try installing MADDE separately Sep 05 20:50:39 Venemo: takes a bit to download, but yes, trying. Sep 05 20:50:56 Lynoure: works for me on Windows, btw Sep 05 20:51:46 Venemo: not quite ready to change an OS for this =) Sep 05 20:52:04 Lynoure: I know, I know Sep 05 20:52:09 Lynoure: just sayin' that it works Sep 05 20:52:45 Venemo: *nod* Sep 05 20:53:24 Lynoure: btw, someone else asked for this the other day... worked for him too after I have him the link Sep 05 20:53:31 Lynoure: although I dunno what OS he used Sep 05 21:04:44 you guys give me a headache Sep 05 21:05:00 this is a two way discussion, no need for the specific nicknaming :P Sep 05 21:06:11 what do you mean crashanddie? Sep 05 21:10:49 Hi! On a mobile phone with maemo installed, can I even install debian there? Sep 05 21:15:09 SparFux: on *a* mobile phone? Sep 05 21:15:12 :) Sep 05 21:15:22 maemo runs on exactly 1 phone Sep 05 21:15:34 check out easy debian Sep 05 21:15:39 it runs on lots of phones Sep 05 21:15:47 a massive amount of phones Sep 05 21:15:52 huh? Sep 05 21:15:53 they just all look similar Sep 05 21:15:55 :) Sep 05 21:15:59 lol Sep 05 21:16:07 wait, how massive? Sep 05 21:16:27 idk Sep 05 21:16:33 kerio: Yes. :-) Sep 05 21:16:42 kerio: like, on a smartphone for example. Sep 05 21:17:05 kerio, but things like this dont come from nowhere http://pininthemap.com/maemo Sep 05 21:17:43 Venemo: seems there is a similar qemu image somewhere installed, and commands for starting it... just well hidden. Sep 05 21:18:12 Lynoure: I dunno. Haven't tried it on Linux yet Sep 05 21:18:43 Venemo: this was an observation, not a question Sep 05 21:19:03 Lynoure: ah. Does it work? Sep 05 21:21:47 Venemo: after manual starting and manual configuration into the sdk... the emulator button still stays grey, but yes, other than that. Sep 05 21:22:14 Lynoure: you have to set up a connection to the emulator manually Sep 05 21:22:27 Venemo: I have. Sep 05 21:22:43 Venemo: it works in running apps, but the button stays grey Sep 05 21:22:55 Lynoure: in Qt creator, Tools/Options/Projects -> Maemo device configurations, add a new device, with the type emulator Sep 05 21:23:25 Venemo: I did that Sep 05 21:23:30 like I said.. Sep 05 21:23:41 Lynoure: ookay... :) Sep 05 21:23:44 Lynoure: sorry. :) Sep 05 21:24:10 The button above the hammer is the one that stays greyed out, but I'm not sure that matters Sep 05 21:25:49 Lynoure: that is greyed out for me, too... (has been forever) Sep 05 21:26:12 Lynoure: anyways, come to #qt-maemo in European working hours. The Qt guys are there and they are helpful Sep 05 21:26:58 I tried there twice earlier... But probably not during office hours Sep 05 21:30:48 ( wait, how massive?) think of nn*10^5 Sep 05 21:31:19 that's a big number, unless nn=0 Sep 05 21:32:14 nevertheless I'd bet I got a hit Sep 05 21:32:53 even with nn!=0 Sep 05 21:33:01 wait, at most 9900000? Sep 05 21:33:21 you thinks it's more? Sep 05 21:33:39 i'd say much less, but what do i know Sep 05 21:33:58 definitely more tha 100.000 Sep 05 21:34:01 nite all, sweet dreams Sep 05 21:34:35 ARE MADE OF THIS Sep 05 21:34:45 WHO WOULD MIND TO DISAGREE Sep 05 21:34:48 who in a mile to disagree Sep 05 21:34:58 huh? Sep 05 21:35:06 ooh, my memory fails it seems Sep 05 21:35:40 ... everybody's waiting for something? Sep 05 21:35:55 lol @ mikhas Sep 05 21:36:12 anyway neuronal scientists would love that statement, as they could tell my brain working differently than usual Sep 05 21:48:27 None of you people make any sense. Sep 05 21:48:35 That's not even English. Sep 05 21:48:56 Jamesey's Breakfast Cocktail Sep 05 21:48:58 1.5 ounces bacon-infused Compass Box Peat Monster Scotch Sep 05 21:48:59 .75 ounce molasses syrup Sep 05 21:49:01 .75 ounce lemon juice Sep 05 21:49:02 .25 ounce Grand Marnier Sep 05 21:49:03 eggplant verisimilitude. Sep 05 21:49:26 bacon! Sep 05 21:49:29 "Bacon-infused"... now you're talkig sense. Sep 05 21:50:01 are we human, or are we dancer Sep 05 21:51:27 Me English nicht verstehen. Sep 05 21:51:40 99 luft balons. Sep 05 21:51:57 fuckin rainbows after a rain Sep 05 21:52:37 to decorate grate some schwarzwaelder schinken over the drink, before serving Sep 05 22:00:14 derf: like to DIY? an easy instruction on how to create bacon-infused burbon http://whiskyparty.net/?p=322 Sep 05 22:01:17 ( lcuk has to be dead :-P ) Sep 05 22:02:01 otherwise how can it be we don't hear any comment? Sep 05 22:02:11 howdie maemoes:) Sep 05 22:02:12 It _is_ somewhat late there. Sep 05 22:02:18 He has to sleep sometime. Sep 05 22:02:40 bye #maemo! :) Sep 05 22:03:16 :) Sep 05 22:03:39 can anyone recommend a sip client for the n900? Sep 05 22:03:51 the... default one Sep 05 22:03:53 Phone Sep 05 22:03:59 ick:| Sep 05 22:04:20 eats >100% cpu.. Sep 05 22:04:33 >100% !? Sep 05 22:04:33 yeah, it eats 300% cpu Sep 05 22:04:46 omg he has a dualcore OMAP4 Sep 05 22:04:48 jacktheripper: if you overclock the thing ;p Sep 05 22:05:19 then it's clearly the overclocking that *realy* eats your CPU :-P Sep 05 22:05:21 okay hm. so a decent sip client isn't out there.. Sep 05 22:06:12 the high cpu usage isn't exactly an unknown issue on the default sip client.. hence my question. Sep 05 22:06:24 FrieT: the SIP client _is_ somewhat decent. You'll not find a better one, as it's PA and not the client that 'eats cpu' Sep 05 22:06:38 yes.. true. Sep 05 22:07:22 stupid PA :( Sep 05 22:08:01 fix it, or convince nokia to use better audio hardware ;-) Sep 05 22:08:13 MNZ! Sep 05 22:08:15 better hardware? Sep 05 22:08:17 hurry! Sep 05 22:08:23 kerio, don't get me started :/ Sep 05 22:08:27 what's wrong with hw? Sep 05 22:08:29 well, apparently PA is doing stuff it shouldnt do Sep 05 22:08:42 mikhas, we already know that Sep 05 22:08:45 PA is... software Sep 05 22:08:47 it uses 30%+ .. Sep 05 22:09:02 except we can't do shit about it because it's closed source Sep 05 22:09:11 gt wonder why symbian pulled it off on an old e61:) Sep 05 22:09:12 so the answer is either: fix PA, or: move that stuff to HW Sep 05 22:09:19 I AM working on an alternative solution, but no use to SIP Sep 05 22:09:25 it's already in the HW Sep 05 22:09:31 we have a hw equalizer Sep 05 22:09:33 MNZ: we can jettison the whole module. Should be 'easy' Sep 05 22:09:37 and a hw decoder Sep 05 22:09:47 kerio: hw equalizer? any frontend for that?:p Sep 05 22:09:47 DocScrutinizer, yes, and start at the guessing game again :/ Sep 05 22:10:02 FrieT, hopefully... but don't get too excited Sep 05 22:10:07 FrieT: if i ask MNZ one more time he'll kill me Sep 05 22:10:17 ;) Sep 05 22:10:24 ok well i'll send flowers..? Sep 05 22:10:25 :) Sep 05 22:10:27 MNZ: more like starting the gambling how long the speakers will survivie :-P Sep 05 22:10:49 nah Sep 05 22:10:58 solder em out, attach ghetto blasters, done Sep 05 22:11:07 then it's a matter of how long the little tiny amp will last Sep 05 22:11:21 FrieT, the little tiny amp can probably handle it Sep 05 22:11:31 then go for it:) Sep 05 22:11:47 the amp is 'undestructable' Sep 05 22:11:51 anywho, I have some good (?) news that I hadn't yet announced, mostly because of that question mark after 'good' Sep 05 22:12:06 do share:) Sep 05 22:12:12 It seems that the hardware accel for audio/video decoding is not actually being used Sep 05 22:12:22 And TI are working on gstreamer plugins for the thing Sep 05 22:12:29 \o/ Sep 05 22:12:29 neat Sep 05 22:12:31 :) Sep 05 22:12:31 now of course it's not just gstreamer plugins Sep 05 22:12:32 wow Sep 05 22:12:49 The thing involves about 2Gigs of SDK and code and kernel shit Sep 05 22:12:49 well that'd help with the decoding Sep 05 22:12:58 ouch Sep 05 22:13:03 and I'm downloading stuff right now to figure out how to fit it into maemo Sep 05 22:13:03 not to mention we're not fully using the led controller Sep 05 22:13:22 :) Sep 05 22:13:25 haha Sep 05 22:13:31 yeah that led is underused Sep 05 22:13:47 kerio: you maybe not. *I* however do, occasionally :-P Sep 05 22:13:55 how about disco-blinkenlights with that led?:o) Sep 05 22:14:07 FrieT: it's actually a true cpu Sep 05 22:14:23 with a small instruction set Sep 05 22:14:31 kerio: It's even a battery charge indicator, without any main CPU involved Sep 05 22:14:36 cpu like or microcontroller like? Sep 05 22:14:56 probably powerful enough to run an atari2600 game Sep 05 22:15:01 *a Sep 05 22:15:05 impressive:) Sep 05 22:15:06 *an Sep 05 22:15:08 FrieT: something like 2 local and one global 8bit var Sep 05 22:15:21 add, mul, sub, and conditional branches Sep 05 22:15:34 i just knew they'd come up with use for the ol c=64:> Sep 05 22:16:11 loop counters Sep 05 22:16:36 and it's really 3 of those little engines Sep 05 22:16:48 so a true multicore :-P Sep 05 22:16:49 one per led colour? Sep 05 22:16:51 :) Sep 05 22:16:54 haha Sep 05 22:16:57 yeey. Sep 05 22:17:30 why the hell is pulseaudio being used anyhow? :| Sep 05 22:17:44 *SIGH!* Sep 05 22:18:06 okay i guess i just asked a terrible FAQ:D Sep 05 22:18:14 FrieT, basically to turn the device audio architecture "APE Centric" Sep 05 22:18:16 FrieT: come join the PA haters' club! Sep 05 22:18:25 where APE is not a monkey Sep 05 22:18:28 DocScrutinizer: well based on cpu load !!... Sep 05 22:18:50 ape being? Sep 05 22:19:01 but more akin to Application P* Engine Sep 05 22:19:01 FrieT: because nokia is taking the piss Sep 05 22:19:08 I forget Sep 05 22:19:12 FrieT: no terrible FAQ, just a Q with a terribly unknown or disgusting answer Sep 05 22:19:25 DocScrutinizer: ic.. Sep 05 22:19:33 Application Processor Engine Sep 05 22:19:44 sounds like a marketing buzzword.. Sep 05 22:20:06 One of the reasons given by Sarha (dude who wrote all the PA mods) was to remove all the hardware complications of doing routing down there Sep 05 22:20:12 and just put it all through the CPU Sep 05 22:20:21 because it *SIMPLIFIES* shit Sep 05 22:20:32 that makes sense for a quad-core desktop Sep 05 22:20:34 and it does really Sep 05 22:20:41 and adds terrible overhead? Sep 05 22:20:52 and still, you'd want to use jackd, not pa Sep 05 22:21:13 kerio, exactly! have you seen friggin jack2? Sep 05 22:21:15 it's amazing Sep 05 22:21:24 uhm Sep 05 22:21:40 I dunno how it adds no overhead, and uses almost 0 cpu :/ Sep 05 22:21:56 so basically this is what, supposed to be a software mixer of sorts? Sep 05 22:22:11 tell me why my last desktop system updtae broke my perfect alsa installation by shoving PA down my throat for nuttin, and maybe I manage to remember why Nokia has chosen to adopt PA shit for maemo Sep 05 22:22:35 FrieT, it mixes streams and does some stuff to protect speakers when on speaker output Sep 05 22:22:44 i don't need that! Sep 05 22:22:51 i'll blast my speakers if i very darn well please! Sep 05 22:22:58 highpass filter for protecting speakers (or they go bunk) and dynamic compression Sep 05 22:23:06 oh boy. Sep 05 22:23:10 that reminds me of... http://matt.bottrell.com.au/uploads/Pics/linuxaudio.png Sep 05 22:23:15 and that is done in software because? Sep 05 22:23:27 now i remember why i use windows/ASIO for my audio stuff:P Sep 05 22:24:06 In many cases, it's done in software, as software is the only place that can do it. Sep 05 22:24:11 (and btw for comparison, freebsd's sound drivers have in-kernel mixing and per-app volume control so rarely does one there need any `sound daemons'... :) Sep 05 22:24:18 In this case, it's not - as there is an equalisation feature in the hardware Sep 05 22:24:24 which is unused Sep 05 22:24:27 nox-, we have in-kernel mixing Sep 05 22:24:43 alsa does that these days too iirc Sep 05 22:24:56 FrieT, it's one of the oldest modules, dmix, not 'these days' Sep 05 22:24:56 nox-: sounds like ALSA Sep 05 22:25:00 ah ok but not in the beginning Sep 05 22:25:13 well last time i checked out linux audio was hm Sep 05 22:25:25 when alsa was not in the kernel upstream yet Sep 05 22:25:28 it did exist tho Sep 05 22:25:35 so i'm a little out of touch Sep 05 22:25:53 Actually, I haven't really witnessed OSS first-hand Sep 05 22:25:57 so I can't tell Sep 05 22:26:21 mmm oSS. fond memories of horror-noise. Sep 05 22:26:22 for the record: dmix is in ALSA at least since 0.96 and it just works since 1.0.1 Sep 05 22:26:36 DocScrutinizer, but isnt dmix in userland? Sep 05 22:27:05 umm, that's a good question. probably yes, dmix is userland (though I'm not sure) Sep 05 22:27:06 blah.. on a phone, why do audio in userland? Sep 05 22:27:33 DocScrutinizer, at least it was once Sep 05 22:27:43 maybe that has changed tho Sep 05 22:27:45 FrieT, actually, do you have anything against userland :/ ? Sep 05 22:27:54 nox-, actually I'm not sure about dmix either Sep 05 22:27:59 i do when it's latency-sensitive Sep 05 22:28:15 dmix couldn't be in userland Sep 05 22:28:21 ALSA doesn't use a userland daemon Sep 05 22:28:26 okay.. Sep 05 22:28:27 984 1 pulse R < 3596 1.4 24.4 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority Sep 05 22:28:30 playing an mp3 .. Sep 05 22:28:35 nox-: bot otoh dmix is used by several distinct userland processes that don't now shit about each other...? Sep 05 22:28:45 FrieT: N900 isn't a phone, and PulseAudio is crap Sep 05 22:28:58 ack on both :) Sep 05 22:29:41 luke-jr: yep, for dmix and ALSA Sep 05 22:29:50 there's no alternative audio systems that have PA wrappers? Sep 05 22:30:03 let's go beat up the guy who decided PA was a good idea Sep 05 22:30:12 WUT?? yet another wraper around the wrapper? Sep 05 22:30:16 noooo dude Sep 05 22:30:31 yo dawg i heard you like overhead Sep 05 22:30:39 hey, seeing how efficient this thing is at dd if=- of=/dev/dsp Sep 05 22:30:43 it can't be thàt bad Sep 05 22:31:02 FrieT, :) Sep 05 22:31:31 seriously now.. eiter it does all the audio decoding and i'm OK with it using cpu, or it just does software mixing and this is just out of whack. hm. Sep 05 22:31:52 kerio: you mixed up things - I like headroom, not overhead Sep 05 22:31:53 FrieT, the next top process would be mafw-gst-renderer Sep 05 22:31:58 heh Sep 05 22:32:05 FrieT, that's where the decoding happens Sep 05 22:32:10 yes i know Sep 05 22:32:10 AIUI Sep 05 22:32:11 hence .. Sep 05 22:32:16 FrieT: mixing takes more cpu than decoding :/ Sep 05 22:32:24 17% decoding Sep 05 22:32:33 27% for a unix pipe .. Sep 05 22:32:43 eww Sep 05 22:32:46 and then there's the kernel-cpu time for the audio driving itself. Sep 05 22:32:47 unix pipe? Sep 05 22:32:57 And my attempts at running pulseaudio through valgrind on the ARM failed miserably :D Sep 05 22:33:10 lol Sep 05 22:33:15 FrieT, it does mixing and a bunch of other stuff... not just a unix pipe Sep 05 22:33:25 it doesn't have to mix anything right now :) Sep 05 22:33:34 good point XD Sep 05 22:33:55 ONE audio stream. should be 1-2%cpu if you add some protect-the-speakers voodoo Sep 05 22:33:57 like IIR highpass filter, and (adaptive) dynamic compression Sep 05 22:34:08 DocScrutinizer: so how do i rip that out? Sep 05 22:34:12 heh Sep 05 22:34:13 do we have sources to this? Sep 05 22:34:17 nope Sep 05 22:34:26 PA is totally closed? Sep 05 22:34:27 but i guess you could tell PA to stop doing it Sep 05 22:34:32 PA is oss Sep 05 22:34:42 but? Sep 05 22:34:43 the nokia modules are closed Sep 05 22:34:53 are the nokia modules doing the compression ? Sep 05 22:35:03 yes Sep 05 22:35:06 fsk Sep 05 22:35:08 and the speaker protection Sep 05 22:35:09 http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-modules-meego/trees/master/src/cmtspeech Sep 05 22:35:19 and ugly relatives Sep 05 22:35:20 the speakers sound like shit anyway Sep 05 22:35:36 speaker protection.. explains why ringtones can't distort Sep 05 22:35:41 too bad. Sep 05 22:36:06 i'd happily void warranty and save cpu/batterylife:P Sep 05 22:36:36 Hrmmm someone should seriously get nokia to release the code Sep 05 22:36:51 it's not like they have any super top secret IP in there :/ Sep 05 22:36:52 how? do they still care about maemo? Sep 05 22:37:11 if they don't care about maemo then all the more reason to release code Sep 05 22:37:40 i have zero contacts with them:) Sep 05 22:37:46 the highpass is a *good* thing, and incidentally can be done in hardware. MNZ is working on that. The dynamic compander is a BS addon doen for the leetness, and we could kick it out and replace by a much saner level control Sep 05 22:37:48 unless you count their DSL stuff:) Sep 05 22:38:25 highpass is a good thing, but at least i want to be able to turn it off. Sep 05 22:38:53 FrieT, turn it off = blow speakers, apparently Sep 05 22:38:57 turn off is easy, just tweak ploicy files Sep 05 22:39:03 policy even Sep 05 22:39:12 i'll happily test that MNZ:P Sep 05 22:39:38 DocScrutinizer: not familiar enough yet with "tweak policy files" Sep 05 22:39:40 FrieT, that's great actually, just wait a bunch more so you can test the stuff I write instead of blowing speakers by turning off PA :P Sep 05 22:39:41 MNZ: blow speakers on high volume with plenty of bass Sep 05 22:40:01 MNZ: i took out insurance for this thing, so i get it replaced when it blows. Sep 05 22:40:11 the drop-coffee-on-device kind of insurance Sep 05 22:40:17 so yes, i'd be happy to test:P Sep 05 22:40:55 nowwww where do i disable the compression / filtering?;D Sep 05 22:41:08 any, just on a sidenote, speakers are replaced easily and probably don't cost that much Sep 05 22:41:20 true Sep 05 22:41:26 ghettoblasters ftw Sep 05 22:41:28 delayed reaction DocScrutinizer ! Sep 05 22:41:37 eh? Sep 05 22:41:44 ooh BACON Sep 05 22:41:54 the smell finally reached me Sep 05 22:41:59 hehehehe Sep 05 22:42:15 hmm Sep 05 22:42:27 * DocScrutinizer hands lcuk a Jamesey's Breakfast Cocktail Sep 05 22:42:29 Actually one of my concerns was if I got the hardware thing working I wouldn't have the guts to test it :D Sep 05 22:42:36 bacon! Sep 05 22:42:48 MNZ: i'll test it, for sure:) Sep 05 22:43:14 MNZ: no worries, there are dudes to test (me being one of them) Sep 05 22:43:34 MNZ: I mean ther has to be a reason I got a devel device of Nokia Sep 05 22:43:59 ah good, because I had kinda stopped on the hardware thing and gave hacking at PA a shot, which didn't work out Sep 05 22:44:15 yet Sep 05 22:44:47 lcuk, it's surprisingly not fun profiling stuff on linux on ARM.... more over closed source stuff Sep 05 22:45:16 indeed Sep 05 22:45:24 ok. discovery: 22khz saves 5% cpu :P Sep 05 22:45:28 MNZ: do you think somebody doing THIS: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/ is afraid of testing audio software? XP Sep 05 22:45:33 its getting easier Sep 05 22:45:44 more diagnostics are available etc Sep 05 22:46:01 DocScrutinizer: yes:P Sep 05 22:46:35 DocScrutinizer :O Sep 05 22:46:37 FrieT: sorry? Sep 05 22:46:40 :D Sep 05 22:46:48 i never said i'm a good thinker:) Sep 05 22:47:36 DocScrutinizer, how many pieces were left over after you put it back together? :) Sep 05 22:47:56 zero Sep 05 22:48:13 :D Sep 05 22:48:33 FrieT, he was working with the openmoko guys, so I guess he knows what he's doing, aye doc :D ? Sep 05 22:48:55 MNZ: I *was* the hw openmoko guy ;-P Sep 05 22:49:10 during a vertain timespan Sep 05 22:49:16 cetain* Sep 05 22:49:20 :) Sep 05 22:49:26 oh Sep 05 22:49:48 awesome! Sep 05 22:49:54 okay.. any way to rip out this compression thing in the xpolicy file? Sep 05 22:50:18 look at page one of http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf Sep 05 22:51:20 DocScrutinizer51: Sep 05 22:51:22 ack Sep 05 22:51:37 DocScrutinizer51: "no tomo font" it looks great, except all the fonts are dots :) Sep 05 22:51:47 * asj hates pdf Sep 05 22:52:00 asj: use a decent pdf reader :-P Sep 05 22:52:00 DocScrutinizer: can only the highpass filter be ripped out easily? Sep 05 22:52:10 FrieT, I have never actually looked at it the file extensively... there are only two nokia mods that music goes through, module-nokia-music and module-nokia-voice Sep 05 22:52:18 mm Sep 05 22:52:25 DocScrutinizer: isn't that an oxymoron? Sep 05 22:52:42 the media player connects to the sink on module-nokia-music, which is connected to voice then to alsa sink Sep 05 22:52:54 you can work around voice by messing with the policy Sep 05 22:52:55 wrappedeewrap Sep 05 22:53:08 FrieT: You need to carefully check. Sep 05 22:53:08 asj: anyway that's been as good as it got, without losing searchability of the pdf Sep 05 22:53:09 but I'm not sure if you can work around music Sep 05 22:53:16 or Sep 05 22:53:19 you can set a default sink Sep 05 22:53:33 FrieT: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management - get that script - and use it - and compare battery usage Sep 05 22:53:36 why can't everything just be dumped into the same sink?:P Sep 05 22:53:36 set alsa as the default sink. I really don't know about the PA config files Sep 05 22:53:54 FrieT: redirect ideally to a file. Sep 05 22:53:55 FrieT, they manage different stuff Sep 05 22:54:05 MNZ: music is connected to voice? o.O Sep 05 22:54:12 DocScrutinizer, yeah :/ it's weird Sep 05 22:54:15 FrieT: Confusing, as 5% CPU difference may be very far from 5% bat volts Sep 05 22:54:24 MNZ: FFS Sep 05 22:54:36 FrieT, you can just skip PA as a whole and use mplayer to play directly to ALSA Sep 05 22:55:29 you can even completely kick PA all together aiui, by PA-disabler orwhatyacallit Sep 05 22:55:30 DocScrutinizer, it's why I suspect the speaker stuff happens in voice, as everything seems to dump into it Sep 05 22:56:00 FrieT, in general I'd suggest you wait a while or otherwise prepare for a lot of messing about Sep 05 22:56:06 :D Sep 05 22:56:12 i'll do both Sep 05 22:56:21 or do both :D Sep 05 22:56:23 why is youtube vids low resolution? Sep 05 22:56:48 what else? HD? Sep 05 22:56:53 the vids on youtube with my N900 has bad quality Sep 05 22:57:13 they're zoomed in. Sep 05 22:57:14 am using stock browser Sep 05 22:57:22 the vids on youtube with my * has bad quality Sep 05 22:57:26 i can alot of squares Sep 05 22:57:29 on the vid Sep 05 22:57:42 maemo5 Sep 05 22:57:46 I accidentally the whole thing Sep 05 22:58:16 really bad quality when usin stock browser Sep 05 22:58:25 to watch youtube vids Sep 05 22:58:28 lolloo: they're zoomed in. Sep 05 22:58:37 flash is just `optimized for windows'... Sep 05 22:58:54 is my vid codecs are updated? Sep 05 22:59:02 ffplay plays flash vids insanely low CPU compared to flash Sep 05 22:59:08 It's flash. Sep 05 22:59:15 SpeedEvil, yep that what i meant Sep 05 22:59:18 Flash is unfortunately a bitofa bottleneck. Sep 05 22:59:49 nokia has built-in gfx card Sep 05 22:59:56 the only place they care about performace if at all is on windows Sep 05 22:59:59 why isnt youtube flash using it? Sep 05 23:00:04 * MNZ facepalms and withdraws into a corner Sep 05 23:00:18 lolloo, why isnt x86 linux flash using xv? Sep 05 23:00:21 lolloo: Because that would be flash 10. Sep 05 23:00:34 lolloo: Flash 10 is not on the n900. Sep 05 23:00:39 wow never knew Sep 05 23:00:43 Exactly why is a good question. Sep 05 23:00:44 thank you all Sep 05 23:01:22 also - some vids are worse than others. Sep 05 23:01:53 is there kind of an app for youtube Sep 05 23:02:03 make vids have better quality Sep 05 23:02:15 because this seriously bad Sep 05 23:02:38 cant watch youtube with good quality atleast Sep 05 23:02:42 take this: videos taken with N900 are mere crap on my 1.6GHz dual-core, while they play just fine on N900 Sep 05 23:02:44 * MNZ facedesks Sep 05 23:03:23 i cant see a thing on youtube from my fone Sep 05 23:03:27 all sqaures Sep 05 23:03:31 bad quality Sep 05 23:03:54 btw, am using xchat on it now Sep 05 23:03:58 odd Sep 05 23:04:00 is it only me or does someone else smell a troll? Sep 05 23:04:01 lolloo: you're sufering from a strange pulseaudio buffer jitter or what? Sep 05 23:04:07 wtf Sep 05 23:04:17 * lolloo is using Xchat Sep 05 23:04:28 * lolloo is using Xchat on Nokia N900 Sep 05 23:04:32 seems like you say things two or three times, in random order Sep 05 23:04:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0un_5pXeCHw watch this video it's funny. Sep 05 23:05:21 haha but still bad quality Sep 05 23:05:34 he is all squares Sep 05 23:05:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0un_5pXeCHw watch this video it's funny. Sep 05 23:06:32 really bad quality when usin stock browser because this seriously bad cant watch youtube with good quality atleast all sqaures Sep 05 23:06:44 haha but still bad quality he is all squares Sep 05 23:07:19 lolloo: you're close to tripping turing test and get banned for a specially annoying bot Sep 05 23:07:55 sorry but annoying Sep 05 23:08:22 :) Sep 05 23:09:43 hmmm what repository can i grab screen from ? Sep 05 23:09:50 umm Sep 05 23:11:33 IroN900:~# apt-cache search screen -> gives me ~150 hits, so, sorry nfc Sep 05 23:11:34 what if I use firefox, do you think maybe it has better built-in flash support? Sep 05 23:11:46 :o) Sep 05 23:11:59 hmm Sep 05 23:12:01 afaik fifo has no flash support at all on N900 Sep 05 23:12:17 It diddn't used to be this bad Sep 05 23:12:22 ah Sep 05 23:12:23 * lolloo sighses Sep 05 23:12:35 the pre-content ads render shittily Sep 05 23:12:41 even if the content may come OK Sep 05 23:12:48 though somebody claimed it could get enabled Sep 05 23:12:59 lolloo, i tried flash on fennec and only got audio Sep 05 23:13:23 yeah i enabled it in about:config, maybe that was not enough... Sep 05 23:13:28 kmplayer does youtube pretty well though.. Sep 05 23:13:35 might have been timeless who should know what he's talking bout Sep 05 23:17:48 which extentions is compatibile with N900: .YUM , .tar, .rpm ? Sep 05 23:18:17 huh? does yum support .yum? :D Sep 05 23:18:22 or .deb ? Sep 05 23:18:34 debian. Sep 05 23:18:36 so deb. Sep 05 23:18:52 FrieT: guess so Sep 05 23:20:48 wtf is .yum Sep 05 23:20:52 I think I got the update 10.1 for firefox! YAY Sep 05 23:20:57 lolloo: uh, bad logic Sep 05 23:21:06 offf its 1wmb Sep 05 23:21:11 which screws are compatble with Boing? M5, M6, or witworth Sep 05 23:21:13 N900 doesn't care what package format you use Sep 05 23:21:14 12 MB Sep 05 23:21:35 Maemo5 does, and only uses .deb packages, but any non-Maemo .deb is unlikely to work too Sep 05 23:21:47 I found deb file for Flash 10.1 for FireFox Sep 05 23:21:57 .rpm/.deb/.tar aren't compatible with themselves even Sep 05 23:21:57 but its 12MB Sep 05 23:22:04 lolloo: it won't work Sep 05 23:22:13 lolloo: you understand that n900 is arm right and can't run x86 code? Sep 05 23:22:15 it opened appmanager Sep 05 23:22:21 lolloo: it still won't work Sep 05 23:22:26 only Maemo .debs will work Sep 05 23:22:36 no I am noob in Linux noob Sep 05 23:22:43 lolloo: think of .exe Sep 05 23:22:48 but this one opened app manager Sep 05 23:22:52 just because you have a .exe doesn't mean you Windows can run it Sep 05 23:22:56 and installing Sep 05 23:22:56 Basically, you're trying to shovel coal into the fuel tank of your shiny new car. Sep 05 23:23:03 hahaha Sep 05 23:23:09 SpeedEvil: nah, that'd be a RPM Sep 05 23:23:18 a better analogy is pouring water into the gas tank Sep 05 23:23:23 Let me try it out i will send you screenshots! Sep 05 23:23:23 it'll fit, but it sure won't run the car Sep 05 23:23:26 well more like diesel fuel into a gas car Sep 05 23:23:28 lolloo: no, you won't. Sep 05 23:23:37 asj: that won't fit :P Sep 05 23:23:40 the nozel looks the same Sep 05 23:23:51 the nozel won't fit Sep 05 23:24:09 non-Maemo .deb fits the package manager, but it won't run the car Sep 05 23:24:13 luke-jr: the diesel nozels here are smaller Sep 05 23:24:43 0Mgoat your right Sep 05 23:24:48 didnt work Sep 05 23:24:52 gggrrrr Sep 05 23:24:54 lolloo: ya figure? Sep 05 23:24:58 * MNZ is shocked Sep 05 23:25:08 NO SHIT SHERLOCK! Sep 05 23:25:12 10.1 where art thou Sep 05 23:25:12 lol Sep 05 23:25:21 lolloo: Flash sucks anyway. don't use it. Sep 05 23:25:34 how do you watch youtube? Sep 05 23:25:44 you mean you never watch it? Sep 05 23:25:56 Youtube works OK for most of trhe content - apart from the ads - IME Sep 05 23:26:01 i guess you could use yuotube-dl + mplayer... Sep 05 23:26:03 the ads are blocky and break up Sep 05 23:26:05 lolloo: you tube doesn't need flash 10... Sep 05 23:26:34 lolloo: 1) web browsers aren't supposed to be media players Sep 05 23:26:38 lolloo: 2) HTML 5 Sep 05 23:26:46 lolloo: 3) YouTube downloader sites Sep 05 23:27:17 2) fails due to codecs Sep 05 23:27:21 I found app called "Zoutube" Sep 05 23:27:30 SpeedEvil: no? Sep 05 23:27:35 SpeedEvil: Chromium works fine for me Sep 05 23:27:39 ah Sep 05 23:27:47 not tried chromium. Sep 05 23:27:59 Some sites do not support html5 though - only flash. Sep 05 23:28:09 luke-jr: I will try it, where from? Sep 05 23:28:16 luke-jr: Does html5 youtube work OK in it? Sep 05 23:28:19 SpeedEvil: only YouTube is perservered enough to force me to use my browser as a media player Sep 05 23:28:21 abuse* Sep 05 23:28:25 SpeedEvil: yes Sep 05 23:28:34 lolloo: no clue, I just emerge chromium Sep 05 23:28:37 google payed the h264 ppl, mozilla doesnt so only chrome can play h264 html5 video Sep 05 23:28:57 omg I envy them Sep 05 23:28:58 I thought h25 just went royalty rfree Sep 05 23:29:07 or was I confused by clver marketing people. Sep 05 23:29:48 SpeedEvil, for ppl hosting videos for free, not sure if also for ppl implementing players... Sep 05 23:30:07 ah Sep 05 23:30:22 http://meegoportal.com/?p=90 Sep 05 23:31:17 luke-jr: while I'm usually hate when people talk like there's no other OS than win on earth, I still feel like reminding you this chan is about maemo, so it's not exactly helping to suggest to newcomers 'emerge chrome' Sep 05 23:31:29 Indeed Sep 05 23:31:32 Hrmmm... I think we can't pass data directly from IVA2.2 (OMAP component doing decoding) to the audio codec... still has to go through cpu, which is simply acting as a gateway between both components Sep 05 23:32:52 but they didnt bring a solution to youtube problem, Sep 05 23:33:08 certainly better than nothing though Sep 05 23:33:31 DocScrutinizer51: Chrome doesn't support Gentoo. It's 'emerge chromium'. Sep 05 23:33:39 DocScrutinizer51: also, I suggest you reread how I phrased it Sep 05 23:34:02 Yes I would hate to use stock browser to watch youtube vids Sep 05 23:34:43 [2010-09-06 01:25:10] luke-jr: I will try it, where from? [2010-09-06 01:25:35] lolloo: no clue, I just emerge chromium Sep 05 23:34:52 luke-jr: gtfo Sep 05 23:37:49 Only 8 more hours left for the download, will wake up to some hacking tomorrow Sep 05 23:37:54 good night folks! Sep 05 23:38:01 nighty MNZ:) Sep 05 23:38:03 DocScrutinizer: 'no clue' isn't clear enough? Sep 05 23:38:05 i'm off too. Sep 05 23:38:14 cheers folks Sep 05 23:38:18 i'm off three. Sep 05 23:38:23 DocScrutinizer: or you mean it's a problem to explain why I have no clue, without being asked? Sep 05 23:40:24 luke-jr: do you think a +q would help you to ponder and find the correct answer to that question by yourself? Sep 05 23:43:45 DocScrutinizer51: no, I think it would make me resent your trolling and power abuse Sep 05 23:44:02 hello world Sep 05 23:44:09 hi Sep 05 23:44:11 * timeless is in london Sep 05 23:44:20 (btw it's kinda starnge that this special flavour of egocentric "I just do xy" without giving clue about this doesn't apply to the remaining 99% of linux users not running gentoo, actually is found frequently among gentooers Sep 05 23:44:34 anyone here know how to configure their n900's SIP account to route inbound calls? Sep 05 23:45:08 timeless: you mean forward? or just answer? Sep 05 23:45:12 luke-jr: seems the jury is still out about who's trolling here Sep 05 23:45:26 nah actually not, it's you Sep 05 23:47:07 DocScrutinizer: troll, judge, and jury. Sep 05 23:47:28 answer Sep 05 23:47:50 timeless: it's working for me… are you getting an error, or? Sep 05 23:47:59 i've only ever used my n900 for outbound sip(s) Sep 05 23:48:16 luke-jr: and, btw, that's exactly same pattern I warned you about when you did same shit wrt that fsckng formulas about meter and meters and dunno what Sep 05 23:48:28 luke-jr: can i get you to try calling me? i promise not to answer Sep 05 23:48:37 and you start to make me upset, and I don't like to get upset Sep 05 23:49:30 cute, a moment ago skype worked and nothing else did Sep 05 23:49:38 now everything but skype is working Sep 05 23:49:40 timeless: sure.. Sep 05 23:52:20 timeless: when inbound sip doesn't work, that's usually a NAT problem Sep 05 23:53:04 docscrutinizer: this isn't the sip people are used to Sep 05 23:53:04 this is pots-sip bridging Sep 05 23:53:12 luke: hang up Sep 05 23:53:46 timeless: sorry you lost me Sep 05 23:54:21 timeless: I suppose you don't do pots-sip bridging on N900 Sep 05 23:55:50 so if we take as granted the N900 has no wire to plug to a pots outlet, you must be talking about plain inbound SIP Sep 05 23:56:19 my provider has a sip service Sep 05 23:56:43 timeless: I think I concur with DocScrutinizer's NAT theory Sep 05 23:56:44 it lets me list my caller id as my normal pots phone number Sep 05 23:56:48 mhm, I call this a sip-provider Sep 05 23:57:35 does a normal sip provider also allow for normal pots phones w/ the same outbound numbera? Sep 05 23:57:45 * timeless doesn't see that very often Sep 05 23:57:50 sure, some do Sep 05 23:57:59 i'm currently using hotel wifi Sep 05 23:58:14 i can switch to o2 internet Sep 06 00:02:36 timeless: you can try: go to "advanced" in SIP setup, toggle 'loose routing', toggle/conjugate 'keepalive mechanism', set 'keepalive period' to 30s, toggle 'auto STUN detection' Sep 06 00:02:45 timeless, nice offering, whos your provider? Sep 06 00:02:55 timeless: each one at a time Sep 06 00:03:12 my employer :) Sep 06 00:03:46 * lcuk nods Sep 06 00:04:30 timeless: and make sure you don't enter anything to fileds 'outbound proxy' and 'username' if they need to stay empty. You can't delete later on - a bug in maemo Sep 06 00:05:39 ... Sep 06 00:06:28 eh Sep 06 00:06:42 * luke-jr always uses those fields Sep 06 00:07:02 * timeless grumbles Sep 06 00:07:15 http://topupsurprises.o2.co.uk/ Sep 06 00:07:26 *almost* works in my n900 Sep 06 00:07:38 except, i can't manage to click login Sep 06 00:08:18 * lcuk gets topus Sep 06 00:08:24 you can call a shortcode afaik Sep 06 00:08:30 topup surprises even Sep 06 00:08:38 timeless: o2 website used to not work even on my desktop for ages Sep 06 00:08:53 optimized for ms explorer Sep 06 00:09:21 oh brother Sep 06 00:09:27 it's a flash game Sep 06 00:09:31 and it kinda works Sep 06 00:09:47 but can you imagine going fishing w/ a slow fishing rod? Sep 06 00:10:30 dare I ask, is there an optimised flash experience on any mobile Sep 06 00:11:18 timeless: ooh I forgot, you also usually can change port 5060 to something else, like 5070, to ship around any SIP block in a local firewall, e.g of a nasty hotel Sep 06 00:12:19 DocScrutinizer: only if the SIP provider supports another port… Sep 06 00:13:25 this hotel seems relatively nice Sep 06 00:13:30 timeless: depends on what UA actually does on that, if it chages dest and origin port, or only origin. Also depends on provider which usually allows other ports for dest. And last not least you can add :5060 to a sip URL Sep 06 00:13:47 i mean, skype and sip and ssh all work Sep 06 00:13:51 at least you SHOULD be able to do this Sep 06 00:13:55 ~2119 Sep 06 00:13:55 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. Sep 06 00:15:09 timeless: a common problem is when both sides are behind a NAT, you get the signaling but RTP audio never goes through Sep 06 00:15:30 some providers do RTP relay in such a situation Sep 06 00:15:35 others don't Sep 06 00:19:45 doc: ... Sep 06 00:20:48 did you suggest twiddling discover public address? Sep 06 00:21:00 also, how the heck does one test this junk? Sep 06 00:21:17 do i need a friend to call me a dozen times? Sep 06 00:23:24 * timeless kills the quacking ducks Sep 06 00:23:44 timeless, second option for testing - use direct hotel call Sep 06 00:23:45 timeless: call yourself from another phone? Sep 06 00:23:52 does it cost if you dont answer Sep 06 00:24:12 * lcuk beds anyway \o Sep 06 00:24:12 you mean run up a huge bill on my hotel room? Sep 06 00:24:14 lemme think about that Sep 06 00:24:27 " does it cost if you dont answer" Sep 06 00:24:27 sure i have a 100gbp pre auth Sep 06 00:24:38 that doesn't mean i want to spend it :) Sep 06 00:25:12 lcuk: if i were them i'd charge a bit just for placing the call Sep 06 00:25:45 actually.. Sep 06 00:26:13 i do know that in theory w/ laptops i'm supposed to be able to route inbound calls via sip for this number Sep 06 00:26:25 timeless: testing is a pita Sep 06 00:27:52 your best options for testing are the logs of decent UA like twinklephone, or wireshark Sep 06 00:28:11 i have *one* n900 Sep 06 00:28:20 and one generic s40 phone Sep 06 00:28:24 plus thorough knowledge about SIP Sep 06 00:28:24 nothing else Sep 06 00:28:45 i left my spare n900 on my couch when i rushed to catch my flight Sep 06 00:29:00 timeless: hmm, call SIP from S40? Sep 06 00:29:18 um, ? Sep 06 00:29:38 s40 is using a roaming sim and i don't think it has wifi Sep 06 00:30:06 nah, call the landline number that forwards to SIP Sep 06 00:30:23 i only have two phone numbers... the o2 number which i want to answer the nok number Sep 06 00:30:28 and the nok number Sep 06 00:30:42 calling yourself is messy Sep 06 00:31:01 very hard to prove it's doing the right thing Sep 06 00:31:03 hmm, I see Sep 06 00:31:28 iirc it doesn't do what you want, but tends to tripple bill and send you direct to voicemail Sep 06 00:31:38 I can give you any number of testcalls, as long as you don't answer Sep 06 00:31:49 i won't answer Sep 06 00:36:40 HAs anyone else had problems with the modem sometimes randomly lose the mobile signal? Sep 06 00:36:56 like on a TGV? :) Sep 06 00:37:05 No, like on a sofa. Sep 06 00:37:12 And randomly. Sep 06 00:37:26 Bending the SIM socket pins out seems to have fixed it Sep 06 00:49:07 anyone know where i can download android 2.2 for my n810? Sep 06 00:53:20 androidn810: see the 'nitdroid' project. i don't have url Sep 06 00:56:51 pupnik_: ok, will try searching nitdroid, but is it compatible with android 2.2 and run on n810's armel arch? Sep 06 00:58:55 i don't know, but nitdroid is the name of the project porting android to maemo Sep 06 00:59:07 to n900 rather Sep 06 01:02:41 pupnik_: i need it for the n810, not the n900 Sep 06 01:03:32 oh right Sep 06 01:03:33 sorry **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 06 02:59:57 2010