**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 06 02:59:57 2010 Sep 06 03:13:25 Why is it every tool we use for mwkn puts up all of the roadblocks it can towards allowing us to get work done? Sep 06 03:17:30 they're making you think twice :) Sep 06 03:31:07 First Docs was generally unreliable, then messed with their API. Now Twitter messed with their API and I can't access old tweets to work around it. Sep 06 03:31:21 Will be a VERY short issue this week. ;) Sep 06 03:49:05 Barack Obama gave 'permission' to General Petraeus to "Unilaterally engage in *assassination* in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Iran, the former Russian Republics, Yemen, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Keynia, The Horn of Aftica, and >> wherever else he deems necessary <<" Sep 06 03:51:56 pupnik_: this is #maemo, take it elsewhere, and I don't care how drunk you are today Sep 06 03:52:46 likewise asj Sep 06 04:32:49 I guess that nobody still havent found out how one could manage to get a decent Perl installed on a Nokia n900? It's really frustrating having to port code backwards. Sep 06 04:41:23 scp1: in a chroot of debian? Sep 06 04:41:32 (just a thought) Sep 06 04:45:02 jpinx-eeepc, When I tried the debian chroot it'd no longer boot. Sep 06 04:47:17 scp1: bugger - I was going to install that todaay, but I have heard that there are issues Sep 06 04:47:52 scp1: I wanted to install it and then remove most of the ridiculous stuff like gimp and OOo Sep 06 04:48:58 scp1: do you mean the chroot would not boot or the phone itself was bricked? Sep 06 05:14:45 jpinx-eeepc, the phone was bricked. 2 hours after I bought it Sep 06 05:41:29 aananybody know why tweego was abandoned? seems to be the case a lot these days: abandonware Sep 06 05:42:44 such a shame Sep 06 05:43:44 have the devs jumped ship? Sep 06 05:44:15 that new ship looked SO much COOLER! Sep 06 05:44:17 sorry Sep 06 05:44:18 :p Sep 06 05:44:30 what? Sep 06 05:44:58 we just HAD to jump ship Sep 06 05:45:03 and swim to the cooler looking one Sep 06 05:45:53 its pretty freaking annoying when apps stop working. fail. epic fail. Sep 06 05:46:37 blaming Nokia seems to be popular Sep 06 05:47:22 cant blame the devs...there aint no money to be made in maemo i guess Sep 06 05:48:41 tweego was a half assed effort at a serious app but at least it worked. now its dead Sep 06 05:48:52 twitter is changing its' policies if I remember right Sep 06 05:48:59 yes Sep 06 05:49:09 N900sexi: jcrawford killed it. Sep 06 05:49:25 whos jcrawford? Sep 06 05:49:33 no idea Sep 06 05:49:51 whats your point then? Sep 06 05:50:29 no point Sep 06 05:50:38 just counter-trolling Sep 06 05:51:38 trolling? so you deny there is abandonware ? you decide to insult instead? Sep 06 05:52:02 N900sexi: coming in here and complaining isn't going to fix it Sep 06 05:52:33 right but this is a maemo channel isnt it? cant we talk about it? Sep 06 05:53:05 well, it's dead, right? Sep 06 05:53:23 it is...true Sep 06 05:54:43 i just hope nokia takes matters into their hands when n9 comes....they cant afford to have fuck ups like this Sep 06 05:54:46 basically, you can't really get mad about a free software developer abandoning a project. they're free to do as they please. what you can do is try to find an alternative or the pick the project up yourself Sep 06 05:55:00 N900sexi: seriously, Nokia is the core of the problem Sep 06 05:55:19 they abandon Maemo, why *shouldn't* 3rd party devs do so also? Sep 06 05:55:20 i know Sep 06 05:55:33 sad Sep 06 05:55:47 exactly Sep 06 05:56:03 definitely hasn't made me very happy about my N900 purchase Sep 06 05:56:18 exactly Sep 06 05:56:27 I'll probably install MeeGo on it, but that's not going to be officially supported Sep 06 05:56:31 afaik Sep 06 05:57:02 but i guess this is what we get for buying into nokia lies Sep 06 05:57:17 lies? like what? Sep 06 05:57:57 im sorry but abandoning N900 and its os after 8 months is a joke Sep 06 05:58:21 Who said it's being abandoned? Sep 06 05:58:24 N900sexi: Nokia is paying people to port MeeGo to N900 Sep 06 05:58:33 and dont give me this "community support" bullshit please Sep 06 05:58:39 as far as Maemo… Nokia's track record is the same Sep 06 05:58:48 I'm sure there'll be more updates to maemo5 Sep 06 05:58:50 N810 was abandoned about 8 months later IIRC Sep 06 06:26:23 is the source for opengl es drivers for n900 available somewhere? Sep 06 06:27:41 zokier: no Sep 06 06:27:47 zokier: probably never will be Sep 06 06:30:44 so if i think i found a bug in them, i can't do anything about it. awesome Sep 06 06:31:16 zokier: what kind of bug? Sep 06 06:31:32 zokier: right Sep 06 06:32:20 fragment, glReadPixels seems to behave oddly Sep 06 06:32:30 segfaults or strange results Sep 06 06:33:00 zokier: get a job at ImgTec, get promoted to a decision maker… Sep 06 06:42:29 luke-jr, you need to be a decision maker to fix a bug? Sep 06 06:42:51 i'd assume that nokia has access to the source, but i don't believe that they are interested in n900 anymore Sep 06 06:48:16 oh, flame Sep 06 06:48:40 saved by the "power on for alarm even if battery is empty" feature \o/ Sep 06 06:49:14 oh, i'm sorry... i'm just bit annoyed atm Sep 06 06:50:39 how do i disble the ld-mode? Sep 06 06:50:41 rd-mode Sep 06 06:51:44 sort of same way you enabled it ... Sep 06 06:53:13 yeah Sep 06 06:53:18 * sejo slaps head Sep 06 06:53:30 shauld have looked before asking Sep 06 06:53:33 should Sep 06 06:54:38 is it possible that in rdmode the keyboard lights are always on (at least the ones at the side) Sep 06 06:57:59 in rd mode they blink for different events Sep 06 06:58:04 thats documented somewhere Sep 06 07:03:17 scp1: did you reflash it? Sep 06 07:10:32 good mornin' maemo :D Sep 06 07:11:23 hi johnx :) Sep 06 07:11:51 I have ssh ove usb and the n900 is now using my eeepc as it's gateway;) Sep 06 07:12:00 hot sauce Sep 06 07:12:05 knew you could pull it off Sep 06 07:12:52 bricked it once - had to do a long battery out to recover - but didn't have to flash ;) Sep 06 07:13:08 X-Fade: ping Sep 06 07:13:55 jpinx-eeepc, yeah Sep 06 07:14:50 scp1: and it being bricked was definitely a result of the chroot install? Sep 06 07:23:19 morning Sep 06 07:23:22 jpinx-eeepc, Yeah for sure. The only thing I'd done other then making the chroot was adding my friends number and changed the background. Sep 06 07:23:44 did you try again? Sep 06 07:23:53 jpinx-eeepc, But maybe I just suck - though it told me 'SUCCESS' Sep 06 07:23:56 Hell no :) Sep 06 07:24:07 I almost shitted down my pants when the thing didnt boot Sep 06 07:24:24 make a backup Sep 06 07:24:35 then it's not going to be a problem Sep 06 07:24:46 it's almost impossible to brick n900 with a software Sep 06 07:24:49 Well - what should I backup, and how? And, uh, how do I restore it? Sep 06 07:24:54 and almost means - OC Sep 06 07:25:05 there is backup app in menu Sep 06 07:25:10 backup to memory card Sep 06 07:25:19 Yeah. I thought that was just crap (they usually are) Sep 06 07:25:56 no it's not Sep 06 07:26:10 I'm not sure I need the chroot now though... I cant recall why I wanted it in the first place, hmm Sep 06 07:26:54 jacekowski: I've done it too :) Sep 06 07:27:16 scp1, when I got my n900 I had the randomly rebooting firmware that didn't boot anymore after a specific amount of reboots, wich was reached after 1 day Sep 06 07:27:25 lol Sep 06 07:27:46 merlin1991: gets all the toys :( Sep 06 07:27:53 I'm pretty used to flashing my hardware but I've never actually bricked anything - until the n900 Sep 06 07:28:01 I had too make a special effort to brick mine Sep 06 07:28:02 if you even can call that bricked Sep 06 07:28:40 if it comes back without a JTAG I think it wasn't bricked Sep 06 07:28:48 that brick was easy to fix though, flash to rd mode reboot porperly once and you got 21 crashboots again Sep 06 07:29:12 I forgot the rd mode when I flashed mine >_> Sep 06 07:29:27 Guess I'll have to reflash again Sep 06 07:29:30 but I had to try 3 pcs untill I finally could flash :D Sep 06 07:30:23 for some reason on 2 the flasher never recognized the phone Sep 06 07:30:34 We're one bunch of cool guys, yes we are. Anyone experienced more girls surrounding him after he bought the n900? Sep 06 07:31:05 uhm yeah 2 for about 4 seconds (quote: "uuuh you got a new phone") Sep 06 07:31:15 :D Sep 06 07:31:15 LOL Sep 06 07:31:33 and then you started with the "Yeah, it's awesome, it runs Linux" Sep 06 07:31:42 At which point they evaporated Sep 06 07:31:43 I didn't even get that far :P Sep 06 07:31:51 yea - until they take it in their hand and say "It's so HEAVY" Sep 06 07:32:10 and then you replied 'and so are YOU' Sep 06 07:32:12 "It has a lot of technology inside it, it has to be heavy" Sep 06 07:32:34 anyway - I'll go for the chroot again Sep 06 07:32:35 "And it has a big battery to accomodate for the amazing uptime... [toing Low Battery]" Sep 06 07:32:39 "Of course it's big and heavy: It's full of awesome!" Sep 06 07:32:45 LOL Sep 06 07:32:49 'size matters' Sep 06 07:32:55 at least they all agree the vibra motor's strong Sep 06 07:33:07 "It's so heavy" "Indeed, imagine that vibrating on your clit" Sep 06 07:33:10 somehow this is bash.org material :D Sep 06 07:33:50 I showed off yesterday, showing the girl I'm hitting on how I can remotely control every computer at home, showed her mutt and irssi, whereby she said 'But how do you call someone?' and I showed her ./call and she was like ':C'. Sep 06 07:33:51 I'm amazed there still isn't a vibrator mode on the N900 Sep 06 07:33:52 does bash.org still get updated? somehow all the stuff on it seem to involve references to things that are not recent ... Sep 06 07:34:02 bash.org hasn't had anything new in months Sep 06 07:34:23 johnx: fancy writing an app that will vibrate specific patterns based on what texts you receive? Sep 06 07:34:26 crashanddie, what? I have lots of vibrations Sep 06 07:34:30 johnx: the ranchier the words, the harder it vibrates Sep 06 07:34:34 ah Sep 06 07:34:35 :D Sep 06 07:34:53 bonus points if we get text to speech included Sep 06 07:35:11 that's very much possible Sep 06 07:35:40 LOL, indeed Sep 06 07:35:41 If you go back home, can't find your N900, but hear a buzzing sound coming from your wife's underside, punctuated by "I want to suck on your " Sep 06 07:35:56 Well, in that case I hope you have a lawyer Sep 06 07:35:58 crashanddie, my wife says "That's awesome!" Sep 06 07:36:09 johnx: there's actually a dildo with a SIM card Sep 06 07:36:32 johnx: I'd hate to know the woman on which they did a "buffer overflow" Sep 06 07:36:33 /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator Sep 06 07:37:00 echo 255 > /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/brightness Sep 06 07:37:06 that's your vibra mode crashanddie Sep 06 07:37:27 crashanddie: I do that all the time... *oops* Sep 06 07:37:33 install some otheros on the N900 and feel your N900 fall apart Sep 06 07:37:53 johnx: actually, bonus points if you can get the accelerometer to detect an orgasm, and text it back to the "dude". If the other phone is an N900 too, play a sound "Mission accomplished" Sep 06 07:38:05 * merlin1991 wonders who it was that pointed him to the glib reference manual Sep 06 07:38:12 me Sep 06 07:39:02 I read through ~20% of it already, time @ the army base can be boring :P Sep 06 07:39:02 merlin1991: good on ya for not saying "who was that twat who pointed..." Sep 06 07:40:47 haha, just had a colleague swing by my office and ask "Could you do me... [turns head as someone called her]" me: "No problem, when and where?" her: "A favour... [confused look] [blushes] nevermind" Sep 06 07:41:11 I've earned Pervert Level 1 in the company Sep 06 07:42:27 lol Sep 06 07:42:30 crashanddie, FYI, in the US that'd probably earn you a sexual harassment lawsuit Sep 06 07:42:43 which is why I'm happy not to be in France Sep 06 07:42:55 s/France/the US of A/ Sep 06 07:42:55 crashanddie meant: which is why I'm happy not to be in the US of A Sep 06 07:43:08 If you try to get a lawsuit through for that here, the judge probably asks you if you're crazy :D Sep 06 07:43:16 crashanddie: what was the original version? Sep 06 07:43:38 Corsac: that was the original version Sep 06 07:44:04 (those two lines look weird) Sep 06 07:45:10 crashanddie: ho, didn't you were speaking english at work :) Sep 06 07:45:24 Corsac: only with a couple of people Sep 06 07:45:41 They want to improve their english, I don't mind. Sep 06 07:45:48 :D Sep 06 07:45:57 * jpinx-eeepc is pretty much in English teaching mode 24/7 :/ Sep 06 07:46:29 "French: the language of love. English: the language of sexual harassment" Sep 06 07:47:18 German: mostly understood as constant swearing by non speakers Sep 06 07:47:45 crashanddie: yeah, I can see how you doing her is improving her tongue skills Sep 06 07:47:50 swearing and or threats of violence Sep 06 07:48:53 Corsac: J'ai même pas encore osé faire la blague des "cours de langue" Sep 06 07:49:01 was auch immer Sep 06 07:49:20 pff :) Sep 06 07:52:28 good morning #maemo Sep 06 07:52:39 morning alterego Sep 06 07:53:32 Wow this coffee is awful :) Sep 06 07:56:48 hm "Sometimes you would like to dynamically create a mutex. If you don't want to require prior calling to g_thread_init(), because your code should also be usable in non-threaded programs, you are not able to use g_mutex_new() ", wait why would I need a mutex if I'm running a non threaded program? Sep 06 07:56:49 The monday-morning-coffee is what reminds you that you're at work again. Sep 06 07:58:32 merlin1991: that's only useful if the same codebase can run in multi-threaded mode or not Sep 06 07:59:17 merlin1991: for example, by default you run in single threaded mode, but have an option to enable multi-threaded Sep 06 07:59:30 Useful for desktop apps considering there are so many different number of cores flying around Sep 06 08:09:08 ~seen Khertan Sep 06 08:09:18 khertan was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 21h 31m 56s ago, saying: 'i ve already tryed :)'. Sep 06 08:12:31 ~seen Khertan_work Sep 06 08:12:33 khertan_work was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 4d 23h 26m 50s ago, saying: 'bye'. Sep 06 08:12:36 hmpf Sep 06 08:21:20 * merlin1991 is starting to wonder if he really wants to learn using the glib Sep 06 08:21:45 Qt! :) Sep 06 08:21:56 glib is quite cool though Sep 06 08:22:27 alterego, I'll learn qt too, I'm just not sure if I'm going to continue with glib :) Sep 06 08:22:35 btw can anyone recommend a good bock on opengl? Sep 06 08:22:45 s/bock/book Sep 06 08:22:59 s/bock/book/ Sep 06 08:23:00 merlin1991 meant: s/book/book Sep 06 08:23:03 :D Sep 06 08:23:18 OpenGL or OpenGL ES? Sep 06 08:23:36 OpenGL Sep 06 08:24:43 Probably "The Red Book" Sep 06 08:25:24 i've heard that the red book teaches a lot of legacy (opengl 1.x) stuff Sep 06 08:25:32 IT does yes. Sep 06 08:25:43 i'd get a book that focuses on modern opengl Sep 06 08:26:44 Even though it's concentrating on GLES2, I've got a really good book on it :) Sep 06 08:26:55 Addison Wesley - OpenGL ES 2.0 Programming Guide Sep 06 08:27:11 A lot of it is transferrablel to desktop GL Sep 06 08:28:57 hm the cover isn't great ("includes iphone development") :D Sep 06 08:29:08 Yeah, don't let that put you off ;) Sep 06 08:29:14 easy-deb-chroot installed by hand ok - now getting the image and filesystem :) Sep 06 08:29:38 jpinx-eeepc, I installed it with ham :) Sep 06 08:31:10 merlin1991: my internet connection is by ssh over usb to my eeepc as a gateway to the local public wifi - and the guis app man in the n900 doesn't play with that :( Sep 06 08:31:51 merlin1991: but now that the basics are installed, apt-get is doing fine at sorting out the rest Sep 06 08:33:27 alterego, I ordered it on amazon Sep 06 08:35:29 jpinx-eeepc, why do you need the ssh tunnel? Sep 06 08:35:49 long story.... Sep 06 08:36:16 merlin1991: the wifi here is public unencrypted and only allows one device per username Sep 06 08:37:40 yeah, but why ssh?, why not simply route the usb0 connection into the wifi network? Sep 06 08:38:16 I am running the eeepc ont he wifi -- or am I missing what you mean? Sep 06 08:38:25 yeah Sep 06 08:38:55 run the eeepc on the wifi, and have it nat route the n900 into the wifi Sep 06 08:39:13 over usb? Sep 06 08:39:24 sure Sep 06 08:39:30 I did that even with win7 :) Sep 06 08:39:59 heh Sep 06 08:40:22 ok - can I come back later and pick your brains? I need to go outt to work now:( Sep 06 08:40:23 KaKaRoTo: hey, Engadget is talking about you! :D Sep 06 08:40:40 kerio, again ??? Sep 06 08:40:53 KaKaRoTo: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/05/ps3-jailbreak-adapted-to-nokia-n900-palm-pre-in-wake-of-austral/ Sep 06 08:41:20 jpinx-eeepc, sure Sep 06 08:41:32 kerio, oh yeah, it was this morning :) Sep 06 08:41:51 kerio, I thought it was a new post about me since we just got it working on most HTC/android devices now :) Sep 06 08:41:59 KaKaRoTo: you traitor :( Sep 06 08:42:02 lol Sep 06 08:42:05 I wrote open source code Sep 06 08:42:09 people contributed Sep 06 08:42:29 + to get it on the droid, they just had to do type 'make' instead of android's sdk.. no changes were required.... Sep 06 08:43:01 kerio, but for android they need to flash a new kernel :p Sep 06 08:43:07 whew Sep 06 08:43:26 you should've used as many features of the n900 as possible :< Sep 06 08:49:29 Updated Qt Creator Sep 06 08:49:48 Anyone know a good C++ editor for OSX? (Compiling Linux code, though) Sep 06 08:49:50 I broke mine the last time I used the updater Sep 06 08:49:53 And don't mention Eclipse. Sep 06 08:50:18 crashanddie: Qt Creator? :) Sep 06 08:50:27 I said C++, not Qt :P Sep 06 08:50:35 Does C++, don't have to use Qt Sep 06 08:51:07 vim, textmate, emacs? Sep 06 08:51:24 gedit? :) Sep 06 08:51:25 vim is what I use at the moment Sep 06 09:02:53 I use emacs in a vim window, in an emacs window Sep 06 09:19:07 grrrr. the N900 really doesn't like watet at all Sep 06 09:19:37 did anybody sent his n900 back for repair? Sep 06 09:20:22 few reÃ¥air water damage even for money :( Sep 06 09:20:28 repair* Sep 06 09:20:52 I don't care I just want at least one device that fully work. Sep 06 09:21:36 * merlin1991 did, but not for water, but a broken emmc Sep 06 09:22:23 I stil have two devices , one with SD not working and one with WIFI not working. Sep 06 09:23:05 I tried the drain in water + oven method and that recovered the WIFI-less one for one day and now the WIFI is not working again Sep 06 09:23:29 the other one the non working SD is hopeless I guess Sep 06 09:24:51 cool - it's temporrarily bricked while it munches that monster chroot package download - I'll leave it and come back after work Sep 06 09:25:41 keesj, have you heard of the "drain in ethanold + oven" method? :-) Sep 06 09:27:17 hey Sep 06 09:28:27 Xchat for N900 stops to work today for me with no reason it seems :( internal error when auth ; any idea to solve that ? Sep 06 09:29:47 LOD: use irssi ;) Sep 06 09:29:58 I like Xchat a lot Sep 06 09:30:06 but maybe a solution yes Sep 06 09:30:12 ethanol will probably dilue the stiker that holds the keyboard Sep 06 09:30:19 I like paris hilton a lot :) Sep 06 09:30:31 hehe :D Sep 06 09:31:02 screen + irssi is really the only "great" solution for chatting I know of. but perhaps there are good irc relay's that can connect to xchat Sep 06 09:31:19 keesj: add bitlbee Sep 06 09:32:25 apparently Quassel IRC works with a client/server to allow the same kind of thing as screen, but I never tried it myself Sep 06 09:55:20 morning folks Sep 06 09:56:18 gug Sep 06 10:00:05 ok, solved, Ive deleted all setting files and it runs again, thank you bye Sep 06 10:02:44 morning MNZ and #maemo in general Sep 06 10:02:56 morning Sep 06 10:03:24 morning lcuk Sep 06 10:04:31 hey danielwilms \o Sep 06 10:05:10 I thought about your running exploits when I read this, thankfully I don't think your technology failed like this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-11191700 Sep 06 10:06:04 uhhhh Sep 06 10:06:11 that sounds bad :) Sep 06 10:06:37 danielwilms, its a lot of extra work, makes you wonder how marathons used to be timed before electronic tagging! Sep 06 10:07:06 hehe...I run smaller marathons, and there they are having paperlists Sep 06 10:07:18 and 2-3 guys counting the laps Sep 06 10:07:36 but there are mostly <50 participants Sep 06 10:09:19 yeah Sep 06 10:41:12 # apt-get install sharing-service-evernote just says "E: Handler silently failed" Sep 06 10:41:23 whats going on? Sep 06 10:42:07 TTilus, does it install from ham Sep 06 10:42:23 will try Sep 06 10:43:12 Morning all ! Sep 06 10:43:17 crashanddie: ping Sep 06 10:43:35 Khertan_: pong Sep 06 10:43:44 Khertan_: t'as de la chance, je viens de revenir au bureau Sep 06 10:43:51 :) Sep 06 10:43:59 j'ai besoin de ton aide avec des regex Sep 06 10:44:04 je me galere comme un porc Sep 06 10:44:10 lcuk: umm, it is not even listed in ham, or im being blind Sep 06 10:44:36 hmm TTilus Sep 06 10:46:16 Khertan_: hey Sep 06 10:46:26 Khertan_: khteditor 0.4 seems broken Sep 06 10:47:09 mece: you lie :) Sep 06 10:47:15 mece: what is broken ? Sep 06 10:48:43 mece: for information i'm currently working on hilighting natively other language instead of using pygments Sep 06 10:49:17 mece: this is why i ask help to crashanddie as i've some problem with regexp :) Sep 06 10:49:46 okay I've read trough most of the glib documentation, now I only have to read the gio and gobject one too untill I can start working on my program, yay :/ Sep 06 10:51:12 merlin1991, what's your program? Sep 06 10:51:54 xfire protocal for telepathy Sep 06 11:03:22 hm is libgio merged into glib on maemo? because pkg-config --cflags gio-2.0 in scratchbox returns -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include Sep 06 11:03:52 merlin1991, I thought it was part of glib2 everywhere Sep 06 11:04:08 does the same on any other normal desktop system I use Sep 06 11:04:28 hm on my ubuntu it does this instead: -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include Sep 06 11:04:53 erm... Sep 06 11:04:59 and there's a difference where exactly? Sep 06 11:05:08 that I failed to copy Sep 06 11:05:09 :D Sep 06 11:05:28 anyway a lot of distros tend to patch ton of stuff around Sep 06 11:05:33 just grab an upstream copy and examine Sep 06 11:06:49 lcuk: damn! "package has been removed" Sep 06 11:06:52 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/sharing-service-evernote/0.5.0/ Sep 06 11:07:08 how does it still show up on apt-cache search? Sep 06 11:07:17 when was the last time you ran an apt-get update? Sep 06 11:07:22 because it's a cache? Sep 06 11:07:26 about 25 seconds ago Sep 06 11:08:05 crashanddie: i flashed PR1.2 two weeks ago, the package has been removed last spring Sep 06 11:08:05 and you can verify it's not in the distro pages and that the packages have been regeneretade etc??? Sep 06 11:08:24 ruskie: how do i do that? Sep 06 11:08:52 check on repository.maemo.org iirc Sep 06 11:09:34 also it would show it if it's installed Sep 06 11:09:43 I think Sep 06 11:09:48 If osso = open source software operations, how the f was bug 5549 wonfix'd Sep 06 11:09:49 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 libosso-abook should be open source Sep 06 11:11:49 MohammadAG51, clearly states they don't want to touch anything maemo related anymore Sep 06 11:12:29 so anyone thinking about adding vibration and perhaps raise a notify on ctrl-g bell to xterm? Sep 06 11:12:32 that would be great Sep 06 11:12:34 ruskie: umm, can't find evernote sharing plugin in http://repository.maemo.org/ Sep 06 11:13:59 well as said... could be due to you having it installed or the Packages file not yet being regenerated Sep 06 11:17:59 any way to find out why it was removed? Sep 06 11:23:13 oh my, evernote sharing plugin lives now in ovi store Sep 06 11:23:25 that explains why it was removed ;) Sep 06 11:24:29 kinda Sep 06 11:24:53 but afaik i should still be able to ham (or apt-get) it Sep 06 11:25:02 they fixed that iirc Sep 06 11:25:27 why else would i have ovi listed in my sourcers Sep 06 11:25:33 ruskie: "fixed"? Sep 06 11:25:36 what? Sep 06 11:25:57 you can't get stuff from ovi store unless you actually use the ovi store to get them Sep 06 11:26:10 apparently neither ham nor apt-get from ovi does not work for me Sep 06 11:26:21 it was possible to bypass payment through apt-get Sep 06 11:26:27 :D Sep 06 11:26:34 as said... it got fixed Sep 06 11:26:48 and what i see is the fixed :D Sep 06 11:27:01 ..functionality Sep 06 11:27:12 dysfunctionality ;) Sep 06 11:30:10 rmrfchik: how goes vexed? Sep 06 11:41:31 who here knows about kernel compiling/customising for n900? I'm trying to look for the section where it allows one to enable screen rotation based of accelerometer, for some reason it was working on a standard titan's kernel but when one customises the config it doesn't Sep 06 11:42:25 Sounds like you might have lost the accelerometer driver somewhere. Sep 06 11:42:34 check your .config Sep 06 11:42:45 psycho_oreos: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Accelerometer Sep 06 11:43:01 cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord Sep 06 11:43:24 If that file - or the directory it's in ispresent, then thedriver is enabled. Sep 06 11:43:57 SpeedEvil, ahh ta :) Sep 06 11:44:25 iPlayer looks nicer now. Sep 06 11:45:33 I just use get_iplayer Sep 06 11:55:43 http://creativetone.deviantart.com/#/d2vuihx Mypaint + Nokia N900 painting (!) Sep 06 11:56:30 hey about mypaint, how does one get a file format one can use? Sep 06 12:00:29 mornin all Sep 06 12:00:34 'ello Sep 06 12:01:22 hey Sep 06 12:01:28 ho Sep 06 12:01:38 so whats everyone up to today? Sep 06 12:01:52 << kernel compiling for n900 Sep 06 12:02:34 << playing sauerbraten Sep 06 12:02:39 i'm pulling 250kbs downstream on tmobile 10$ a month 3g lol Sep 06 12:03:06 but i'm also on the 3rd story of a hotel Sep 06 12:03:20 faster than my dsl. Sep 06 12:03:22 wait, 250KB/s is a lot? Sep 06 12:03:31 yea its goin fast man lol Sep 06 12:03:36 how much quota will $10 a month get you? Sep 06 12:03:37 Kb or KB is quite different Sep 06 12:03:38 600-700 is normal around here :| Sep 06 12:03:43 i get unlimited Sep 06 12:03:44 and i mean KB/s Sep 06 12:03:54 over 3G ? Sep 06 12:04:00 kerio, as in KiloBYTE ? Sep 06 12:04:00 yeah Sep 06 12:04:03 yea i'm on 3g Sep 06 12:04:04 kilobyte Sep 06 12:04:05 yu Sep 06 12:04:05 p Sep 06 12:04:10 250KiB is not unusual for 3g. Sep 06 12:04:17 d*mn thats good, here its never unlimited for 3G Sep 06 12:04:22 hsdpa rules Sep 06 12:04:26 the bandwidth is heavily metred here. Sep 06 12:04:35 this service plan only works with nokia n900 lol Sep 06 12:04:55 o/ Sep 06 12:05:01 is there any way to use the N900 as a BT headset? Sep 06 12:05:10 o hai DocScrutinizer Sep 06 12:05:43 \o DocScrutinizer Sep 06 12:05:43 rcnetwork force-reload :-S Sep 06 12:05:48 MohammadAG51, dunno but I suppose you could switch the roles of the bluetooth to be slave, getting the stuff to work properly probably requires some apps Sep 06 12:06:27 (there's definitely anotehr few bugs in linux :-P) Sep 06 12:06:59 there's always bugs, its built for humans by humans :p Sep 06 12:08:49 psycho_oreos: you'd just need a A2DP "server" Sep 06 12:08:53 or HFP Sep 06 12:09:36 kerio, heh I'm pretty clueless on that, sure its possible just need the right apps like I said :) Sep 06 12:09:54 well, yeah Sep 06 12:10:34 but why would you Sep 06 12:10:39 * psycho_oreos thinks its a little rather unusual one tries to turn n900 into bt headset lol maybe doing it on budget Sep 06 12:10:39 since the audio system of the n900 kinda sucks atm? Sep 06 12:11:01 well it is based on pulseaudio so ... ;D Sep 06 12:11:10 a pair of bluetooth headphones (stereo) costs about 50€ anyway Sep 06 12:11:45 i bought one pair, sony dr-bt100cx Sep 06 12:11:50 they work nicely Sep 06 12:11:57 I got myself that bh-905 Sep 06 12:13:09 i wear glasses, i can't wear those kind of headphones Sep 06 12:13:12 i need earbuds Sep 06 12:13:38 sadly Sep 06 12:13:58 heh I wear glasses as well, and I was hoping it would be as big as a studio monitor type headphones, unfortunately it just sits on top of my ears... loosely Sep 06 12:14:20 those bt100cx have a clip that holds mic and buttons Sep 06 12:14:46 psycho_oreos, nah, i just need 4 BT mics and i'm not going to buy one for a one day thing :P Sep 06 12:15:42 MohammadAG51, ah Sep 06 12:15:42 which sadly, doesn't work really well for tshirts Sep 06 12:16:29 MohammadAG51: a2dp? Sep 06 12:16:32 hfp? Sep 06 12:16:34 hsp? Sep 06 12:16:44 no, wait, a2dp is only listening Sep 06 12:16:54 bt mics suck dude Sep 06 12:17:21 hsp probably requires both headphone and mic hardware imo Sep 06 12:17:29 Hrm Sep 06 12:17:56 psycho_oreos: hey, what do you know Sep 06 12:18:00 the n900 has a speaker and a mic Sep 06 12:18:17 kerio, yup because it has phone capability afterall :) Sep 06 12:18:24 it's not a phone ;_; Sep 06 12:18:31 it's a NIT Sep 06 12:18:43 * kerio feels superior to all those people having smartphones Sep 06 12:19:05 I didn't say it was a phone, I said it has phone capability lol Sep 06 12:19:14 albeit feeble -_- Sep 06 12:20:15 so its officially a "NIT"? Sep 06 12:20:36 and yes I'm happy to still own my very own n900, looks bulky for a phone but otherwise it packs some seriously decent hardware (except broadcrap bt and puny battery) plus all the flexibility you want from an embedded device more or less Sep 06 12:20:40 what does that stand for? Sep 06 12:20:49 nokia internet tablet Sep 06 12:21:15 lol Sep 06 12:21:24 and do they know that, at least in en_GB, a "nit" is a headlouse's egg? Sep 06 12:21:35 i just call it my computer Sep 06 12:22:00 so nitdroid would be headlouse's egg droid? ;) Sep 06 12:22:17 i've found myself interchangebly referring to it as my "phone", "computer" or "camera", without really meaning to Sep 06 12:22:22 its got a processor.. ram.. ssd.. it's a computer lol Sep 06 12:22:33 it's not a smartphone it's a dumbputer Sep 06 12:22:36 Hi, can I have a workaround if I would not like to install debian related distribution on my PC to work with maemo and meego debian packages that are not available in open source format ? I am using archlinux currently. Sep 06 12:22:51 internet tablet/tablet is meant to have a processor and RAM, etc lol Sep 06 12:22:52 djszapi: vm? Sep 06 12:22:54 washing machines are computers too, but they don't make it easy to run whatever you want on them Sep 06 12:23:02 kerio: what's the sense of that ? Sep 06 12:23:08 virtual machine Sep 06 12:23:11 kerio: what's the sense of that ? Sep 06 12:23:13 therefore, the n900 is a proper computer, and the iPhone is a washing machine Sep 06 12:23:23 BCMM: i <3 u Sep 06 12:23:26 I thought of rebuilding apt-get from source Sep 06 12:23:27 kerio: thx Sep 06 12:23:33 or providing a debian chroot. Sep 06 12:23:38 agree with BCMM... Sep 06 12:23:40 vm is out of the question of course. Sep 06 12:23:57 i heard u can dosbox 98.. Sep 06 12:24:12 there was a website to prove it Sep 06 12:24:20 err win95 on n900 Sep 06 12:24:32 "computer appliances" upset me in any context, tbh Sep 06 12:24:38 seems like a dreadful waste of resources Sep 06 12:24:40 yea maybe for some games but really? why go threw that Sep 06 12:24:57 some people do it to show off I suppose Sep 06 12:25:48 i mean, even stuff like linux-based NAS boxen that don't make it easy to run random server software they weren't designed for upset me a bit Sep 06 12:26:28 BCMM: that's why you buy a sheevaplug Sep 06 12:26:35 n900 to me is more of internet tablet with phone capability, sure its doesn't have the best of both worlds but at least its all in one for that purpose Sep 06 12:26:50 i don't need the speakers, i only need the mic on the N900 to be a BT mic :) Sep 06 12:27:11 lol rip the mic out ;) Sep 06 12:27:20 Sep 06 12:27:34 i owned the n800 and n810 before the n900 so i'm strait without the phone part lol. i got an old sim card months expired that i still leach tmobile 3g from.. Sep 06 12:28:26 i skype on that connection too without issue usually Sep 06 12:28:30 cool Sep 06 12:28:32 n900 is the first nit I've ever owned, and its quite a shame maemo is going to be unsupported soon Sep 06 12:29:23 if only apple had maemo and kept it open... Sep 06 12:29:46 my requirements was a linux phone but not like android, and out came the decision of maemo Sep 06 12:30:07 ech0Asus: waitwaitwait, you run data over an expired SIM? Sep 06 12:30:09 apple is kinda like oracle, turning open stuff into proprietary :p Sep 06 12:30:18 yes i run data over an expired sim lol Sep 06 12:30:35 ech0Asus: what's your def of expired then? Sep 06 12:30:38 i'm pullin 250kbs downstream now Sep 06 12:30:55 probably when the service is fully disconnected and he doesn't get any signal/coverage Sep 06 12:30:55 exp is i got a prepaid tmo account then didn't pay the next month or any month after? Sep 06 12:30:57 lol Sep 06 12:31:05 no more minutes.. can't call anyone.. Sep 06 12:31:14 nice Sep 06 12:31:14 no one can call me.. Sep 06 12:31:19 wow Sep 06 12:31:25 but 3g works Sep 06 12:31:41 little loophole there :) Sep 06 12:31:48 and i pay nothing and seems to still be goin Sep 06 12:31:50 ech0Asus: for free?? Sep 06 12:31:57 for the record tschibo/o2 stop the data service Sep 06 12:32:01 LOL @ retarded operator Sep 06 12:32:16 tchibo Sep 06 12:32:22 i skype perfectly on it.. Sep 06 12:32:35 clone the sim Sep 06 12:32:37 CLONE IT Sep 06 12:32:44 haha Sep 06 12:32:46 I WANT TMOBILE Sep 06 12:33:01 hmm Sep 06 12:33:07 i wonder if roaming works Sep 06 12:33:10 I want that unlimited 3G cap Sep 06 12:33:35 i had bought the unlimited 3g prepaid was like 100$ for first month then paid nothing else on the account again. Sep 06 12:33:45 was with the phone thing Sep 06 12:33:50 unlimited calling and text Sep 06 12:34:06 incredible Sep 06 12:34:38 * mgedmin is going to Germany for a week and wondering about 3g options Sep 06 12:34:42 MNZ: pff Sep 06 12:34:49 got joikuspot and i share with my netbook which i'm on now Sep 06 12:35:05 ech0Asus: NEVER!!!!!! call the hotline, what ever problem you face! also NEVER pay anything to that card! :-P Sep 06 12:35:06 streaming music from last.fm and talkin on xchat on my netbook Sep 06 12:35:24 nope never goin to pay anything on this card lol Sep 06 12:35:46 i got a cricket phone i pay 30 a month for Sep 06 12:35:59 umlimited lol Sep 06 12:36:03 in italy you just buy a bunch of anonymous, prepaid sim cards and connect with them until they reach -4000€ Sep 06 12:36:06 then you throw them away Sep 06 12:36:47 i mean, nowadays anonymous sim cards cost a lot Sep 06 12:36:49 but still Sep 06 12:37:02 ech0Asus, are you sure you can't clone? pretty please? Sep 06 12:37:06 kerio: in italy you also have your elctricity meters hanging head down, and a knife in every gas meter Sep 06 12:37:43 nah, we don't :( Sep 06 12:37:59 * lcuk sends mail to tracy about kylie tickets Sep 06 12:38:12 but the slightly older model of electricity meter can be reprogrammed with a IR port to get to 6KW instead of 3 Sep 06 12:38:15 without paying more Sep 06 12:38:30 also, stealing electricity is dumb Sep 06 12:38:31 you can't store it Sep 06 12:38:37 kerio: yes you can Sep 06 12:38:46 kerio: In the form of pot. Sep 06 12:38:46 you definitely can! Sep 06 12:38:53 how? buying loads of batteries? Sep 06 12:39:11 no, just one big ass battery Sep 06 12:39:13 Large lamps + plants = solid electricity! Sep 06 12:39:16 kerio, pumping water up a mountain, and have a turbine ready when you need it :D Sep 06 12:39:22 lol Sep 06 12:39:25 loads of batteries is the same thing as one big battery Sep 06 12:39:29 like the stuff used for solar panels Sep 06 12:39:48 also, pumping water up and then letting it run through a turbine is actually a real energy storage thing that people actually do Sep 06 12:39:55 yeah Sep 06 12:39:57 kerio: reprogram wut?` 3kW -> 6kW??? Sep 06 12:40:01 loads of that shit here in austria Sep 06 12:40:02 what's that?? Sep 06 12:40:05 BCMM: Well - not really. Sep 06 12:40:12 BCMM: It doesn't work on an individual scale. Sep 06 12:40:13 SpeedEvil: which bit? Sep 06 12:40:16 DocScrutinizer: the standard limit is 3kwh Sep 06 12:40:24 if you want more, you have to pay a lot more Sep 06 12:40:25 yeah, it's not something people do to power their homes Sep 06 12:40:31 BCMM: A ton of water raised 1m stores the same energy as a n900 battery Sep 06 12:40:50 kerio: sorry don't get it Sep 06 12:40:52 kerio: 'the limit is 3kwh' - per day? Sep 06 12:40:53 but there are people operating hydro dams that work by pumping water up using off-peak electricity and then letting it down to sell peak-time electricity Sep 06 12:41:03 so if you're in a desert, and have your n900 with you, you just dig a 1m deep hole and you're alright? Sep 06 12:41:04 SpeedEvil: huh Sep 06 12:41:05 per.. hour? Sep 06 12:41:07 kw/h Sep 06 12:41:08 SpeedEvil: heh, that's cool Sep 06 12:41:13 hmm Sep 06 12:41:19 grub isn't starting :/ Sep 06 12:41:25 kerio: 3Kwh/h = 3Kw silly person. Sep 06 12:41:37 kerio: yur meters break circuit when >3000W ? Sep 06 12:41:38 lol @ mgedmin Sep 06 12:41:44 yeah Sep 06 12:42:03 well, it's not exactly 3000 Sep 06 12:42:06 there's some tolerance Sep 06 12:42:18 W*T*F??! Sep 06 12:42:26 why would you need more than 3kW Sep 06 12:42:39 kerio: Are you charged on the basis of peak power? Sep 06 12:42:45 my warm water takes 24kW Sep 06 12:42:49 kerio: Or is it an additional price. Sep 06 12:42:57 kerio: Per KWh Sep 06 12:42:58 is there a way for one to repack a deb file adding another file into it but retaining the same information of the deb file? Sep 06 12:43:02 SpeedEvil: we're charged per kwh Sep 06 12:43:04 period Sep 06 12:43:13 kerio: So why the 3/6kw ? Sep 06 12:43:25 so you can run more stuff at the same time Sep 06 12:43:41 kommi deficit economy Sep 06 12:43:42 think washing machine + a/c + oven Sep 06 12:43:43 kerio, more than 3kw, sauna? Sep 06 12:43:51 merlin1991: haha, no Sep 06 12:43:53 nah wait berlusconi isn't a kommi Sep 06 12:43:58 we actually have the sun here Sep 06 12:44:02 merlin: A fridge/freezer will peak at 1KWh Sep 06 12:44:17 merlin: for a second or so on startup. Sep 06 12:44:44 while checking SpeedEvil's claim on Wolfram Alpha: "Assuming "mAh" is a unit | Use as a deity instead" Sep 06 12:44:44 yo Sep 06 12:44:47 sooo.. Sep 06 12:44:53 pptp on N900 doable? Sep 06 12:45:21 * DocScrutinizer is puzzled, as here in Germany >95% of elctricity meters are still classic mechanical type Sep 06 12:45:31 DocScrutinizer, here too Sep 06 12:45:36 here too Sep 06 12:46:30 DocScrutinizer: yeah, we had those Sep 06 12:46:36 we still have, but the new meters are more precise Sep 06 12:46:52 and nasty :-P Sep 06 12:46:54 yeah Sep 06 12:47:10 err Sep 06 12:47:10 nah, the latest model is not easily configurable Sep 06 12:47:11 :( Sep 06 12:47:11 Sigh Sep 06 12:47:15 'will peak at 1Kw' Sep 06 12:47:17 I'm tired. Sep 06 12:47:53 I'm not awake Sep 06 12:48:01 are you typing in your sleep? Sep 06 12:48:02 :o Sep 06 12:48:10 yep Sep 06 12:48:17 cool Sep 06 12:48:18 I'm in the army atm, so basically braindead :D Sep 06 12:48:56 kerio: like a dolphin, half of brain is idle Sep 06 12:49:49 physicist rage... "This long-lasting, lightweight Li-Ion battery gives you 1320 mAh of power" Sep 06 12:49:58 * BCMM throws things at Nokia Europe Sep 06 12:50:15 damn it, I forgot to enable logging on this client Sep 06 12:50:18 eh? Sep 06 12:50:38 not a power, and not even an energy (the actually useful number) without the voltage Sep 06 12:50:56 ok Sep 06 12:51:16 hehe Sep 06 12:51:35 voltage goes down over time though, doesn't it Sep 06 12:51:39 merlin1991, #maemo is logged Sep 06 12:51:52 I think it has an implied "at the battery's nominal voltage". Sep 06 12:52:08 kerio: slightly, but it's nominally a 3.7V battery, and once it drops substantially, you need to recharge Sep 06 12:52:19 MohammadAG, yeah, but it's easier to grep trough local files Sep 06 12:52:32 the problem is that a number in mAh doesn't actually tell you how much energy there is in the battery, at all Sep 06 12:52:45 i presume the reason it's a standard is that it's good for comparing car batteries, since cars are basically all 12V Sep 06 12:52:52 yeah :P Sep 06 12:53:22 and the other problem is that they call the number they're using as a poor proxy for energy storage "power" Sep 06 12:53:51 BCMM: for tools they brag with "this has a 7 cell battery" and "this even has 8 cells" Sep 06 12:53:58 how silly is THAT? Sep 06 12:54:08 slightly less silly, but still silly Sep 06 12:55:09 but, but... Sep 06 12:55:20 some manufacturers tell battery capacities in Wh, which is bit more reasonable Sep 06 12:55:38 actually all do, *somewhere* Sep 06 12:55:47 all laptop batteries I've seen report mWh Sep 06 12:55:59 SpeedEvil, weird for some reason microB still doesn't offer portrait web browsing even though I have the device driver compiled into the kernel, I have tested the line that you have pasted and it does output co-ordinates, using AccDisplay I could see that the accelerometer is working however it seems like microB still refuses to rotate :/ Sep 06 12:56:09 except the one in my Asus EeePC abuses that field to report percentage Sep 06 12:56:42 Umm - I don't think microb does by default rotati Sep 06 12:56:45 rotate Sep 06 12:56:55 I'm not sure it can with accel. Sep 06 12:57:21 well normally it can, on stock PR1.2 kernel along with precompiled titan's power kernel it does Sep 06 12:57:48 microb never rotated for me Sep 06 12:58:05 psycho_oreos, did you also enable it from the settings? Sep 06 12:58:19 it is definitely off by default Sep 06 12:58:19 psycho_oreos, or is that the issue, it doesn't provide the option? Sep 06 12:58:22 flux, just checked that *slaps forehead* Sep 06 12:58:36 actually, my microb seems to forget most of it's data about once a week Sep 06 12:58:38 flux, yeah I didn't enable it *duh* of all the things Sep 06 12:58:44 bookmarks stay, but it loses history and settings Sep 06 12:58:56 (including rotation) Sep 06 12:58:58 merlin1991, looks like its the settings Sep 06 12:59:01 anyone else get that? Sep 06 12:59:30 I may have an issue with the settings, I don't know about the history, lemme check Sep 06 12:59:45 psycho_oreos, yes it's in the settings, I just enabled it Sep 06 13:01:02 uh oh, the ball bearing of my notebook fan just started to change it's noise in a bad way Sep 06 13:01:38 BCMM, I didn't lose the complete browsing history however anything past a week in the history is truncated (I guess its to save space) but sometimes browsing back pages using the swipe function does not go to whichever page I point to at times Sep 06 13:01:45 merlin1991, still no rotation? Sep 06 13:01:52 hmm Sep 06 13:01:57 psycho_oreos, now I have rotation Sep 06 13:01:59 for me, it definitely loses settings Sep 06 13:02:09 since rotation gets disabled and it start starting up fullscreen again Sep 06 13:02:13 merlin1991, hehe :) Sep 06 13:03:56 BCMM, weird, I know in the past I used to have rotation enabled but I've done lots and lots of kernel flashing since then.. some of the experimental features I've enabled caused my n900 to reboot several times and to lose its previous settings.. I've noticed my hildon-desktop at one stage lost all of the shortcuts, widgets that I have placed, thinking back now about it, I think the portrait mode browsing may have been disabled since then Sep 06 13:05:26 hm easiest way to check cpu temp on ubuntu? Sep 06 13:05:44 lmsensors + gkrellm Sep 06 13:05:59 cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature Sep 06 13:06:06 or something equivalent Sep 06 13:06:38 thx zokier Sep 06 13:07:31 43C, should be ok Sep 06 13:07:42 pekuja: you need to be a decision maker, to open source the driver Sep 06 13:08:02 luke-jr, right Sep 06 13:09:36 Hi all Sep 06 13:09:42 Jaffa_, Ping? Sep 06 13:21:47 humm can anyone help me to install unzip? cuz it keep failing Sep 06 13:23:53 what's wrong with python-Imaging? I'm installing openwatch (depends on python-Imaging) but it seems package manager is really confused about case-sensitivity (python-imaging and Imaging) Sep 06 13:25:17 Debian package names are (supposed to be) all-lowercase Sep 06 13:25:52 Chibi-Taiga: what error? Sep 06 13:25:53 some tools force names to lowercase, some don't mangle names -> so if you name a package using mixed case, things break Sep 06 13:34:14 how do i copy/paste from webrowser to xchat on n900 Sep 06 13:35:23 go into cursor mode, select text, ctrl+c, then in xchat ctrl+v Sep 06 13:36:20 Hrm, contemplating using gconf over QSettings .. Sep 06 13:36:28 MNZ: got the stuff ?:) Sep 06 13:36:55 FrieT, yup, and it's not nearly as complicated as I originally thought :D Sep 06 13:37:01 if you don't know what i mean by cursor mode, see http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures#Web_Browser_Gestures (labelled hover mode there) Sep 06 13:37:02 wow Sep 06 13:37:06 quite a bit more Sep 06 13:37:09 you downloaded ànd read it already? Sep 06 13:37:16 * FrieT bows Sep 06 13:37:26 I think you missed the last message Sep 06 13:37:31 quite a bit more Sep 06 13:37:33 welll Sep 06 13:37:37 "started to read" Sep 06 13:37:48 seriously i'm barely past my morning coffee and replacing some faulty disks:P Sep 06 13:38:02 http://a.imageshack.us/img26/8387/screenshot2010090615054.png Sep 06 13:38:09 that error Sep 06 13:39:14 hi all Sep 06 13:39:21 how do i set up a bluetooth keyboard? Sep 06 13:39:25 Chibi-Taiga: try manually specifying the dependencies? Sep 06 13:39:37 huh? Sep 06 13:39:57 eg, "apt-get install libsdl-ttf2.0" Sep 06 13:40:03 for each of the packages listed Sep 06 13:40:13 ok ill try Sep 06 13:42:19 kerio: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles#Bluetooth_Keyboard might help Sep 06 13:42:27 good start at least Sep 06 13:43:47 no luck Sep 06 13:43:58 also tryed -f Sep 06 13:44:03 what error? Sep 06 13:45:09 http://img827.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010090615074.png/ Sep 06 13:46:58 that would imply that the dependencies are in fact installed, but there's inconsistencies with the names Sep 06 13:47:17 like "libSDL_ttf2.0" instead of "libsdl-ttf2.0" Sep 06 13:47:38 uhm k... Sep 06 13:48:08 what can i do about it? Sep 06 13:48:42 hrm.. i'm not typically a debian user, but there should be a switch to ignore dependencies Sep 06 13:49:25 k Sep 06 13:49:33 "--ignore-missing" maybe Sep 06 13:49:55 grr, can't ssh locally Sep 06 13:50:23 the problem seems to be that you have the dependencies installed, but from different packages than what freeciv thinks they should be in. apt won't install the dependencies named by freeciv because the clobber the already installed dependencies Sep 06 13:50:36 uhm i can try Sep 06 13:50:39 so it *might* work to just ignore dependency requisites, and install the package Sep 06 13:50:40 i see Sep 06 13:52:00 ohwell Sep 06 13:52:03 isn't linux fun? Sep 06 13:52:12 not at all Sep 06 13:52:19 :( Sep 06 13:52:29 it's the package's fault Sep 06 13:52:35 or rather, the maintainer's Sep 06 13:52:43 probably Sep 06 13:52:45 ignore-missing dont work Sep 06 13:53:26 uh, i don't know apt well enough... there should be some sort of force switch, but dunno Sep 06 13:54:19 im a windows nob so i have no clue eighter Sep 06 13:54:47 i'm a gentoo guy Sep 06 13:54:53 Does anyone know how to make Maemo 5 rebuild all the thumbnail images shown by the "Photos" app? Sep 06 13:55:07 Chibi-Taiga: are you installing a local package? Sep 06 13:55:26 if not, wget it, and use dpkg --force -i package.deb Sep 06 13:56:03 wget? Sep 06 13:56:29 Ken-Young, my guess would be "rm -rf /home/user/.thumbnails/*" but then again, I'm only guessing Sep 06 13:56:33 not local i think Sep 06 13:56:37 wget it, means download it Sep 06 13:56:58 MNZ, Thanks, I'll try that (I'll just rename it, though). Sep 06 13:57:03 apt-get install unzip Sep 06 13:57:08 is what i do Sep 06 13:57:15 Ken-Young, yeah, better safe than sorry Sep 06 13:57:39 wget is a standard utility on *nix systems to download files -- eg, "wget http://something.com/file.zip" Sep 06 13:58:01 o.o? Sep 06 13:58:53 so i do wget install unzip? Sep 06 13:59:13 uh, does "apt-get install unzip" not work? Sep 06 13:59:32 no it give the errors like ishowed Sep 06 14:00:04 Chibi-Taiga: just zip, i think Sep 06 14:00:14 but i don't remember installing it, so it's possibly already installed Sep 06 14:01:47 MNZ, That worked. Thanks again. Sep 06 14:06:11 if i wanna unzip something i get "unzip:not found" Sep 06 14:12:43 Chibi-Taiga: apt-cache search unzip Sep 06 14:13:07 Chibi-Taiga, if you have Python installed, you can use python -m zipfile -e your.zip . Sep 06 14:15:08 humm i remember installing python complete pack or something Sep 06 14:15:50 but i dont see a gui like on s60v3 n82 Sep 06 14:16:44 that's probably because symbian is not like linux where everything must be GUI Sep 06 14:16:49 :p Sep 06 14:17:06 so how do i ryun python Sep 06 14:17:24 rmrfchik: how goes vexed? Sep 06 14:17:46 you need to install python packages? Sep 06 14:18:00 ok i go do that brb Sep 06 14:18:04 Is there a bot here that supports "seen"? Sep 06 14:18:16 I'd like to know the last time someone was active in-channel Sep 06 14:18:47 [dneary]: I think you can write ~seen here Sep 06 14:18:53 povbot, seen dneary Sep 06 14:18:53 mgedmin: dneary was last seen in #maemo 37 seconds ago: I'd like to know the last time someone was active in-channel Sep 06 14:18:56 only works for this channel though IIRC Sep 06 14:18:57 there you are Sep 06 14:19:18 mgedmin, ToJa92: Hvala Sep 06 14:19:29 pyqt4 full install i have installed Sep 06 14:19:36 dneary, I know Jaffa was away yesterday, dunno if he's back yet. Sep 06 14:19:53 GAN900, Any other council people active ATM? Sep 06 14:20:18 Me? Sep 06 14:20:39 Nobody else is really on IRC. Sep 06 14:20:41 GAN900, How about you? Perhaps announce a Maemo team meeting for next Tuesday, if it's too short notice for tomorrow? Sep 06 14:21:08 Probably too short for tomorrow, compounded by the US holiday. Sep 06 14:21:16 US holiday? Sep 06 14:21:17 GAN900: no, he's not back yet Sep 06 14:21:26 GAN900: he just tweeted that he's still at legoland. Sep 06 14:21:53 dneary, Labor Day Sep 06 14:22:03 Labour** Sep 06 14:22:04 :P Sep 06 14:22:08 so whatmdo i need more for python Sep 06 14:22:18 what do* Sep 06 14:22:33 GAN900, The US doesn't celebrate its workers on May 1st with the rest of the world? Sep 06 14:22:53 And I'm with crashanddie on the u. Sep 06 14:24:00 no, may day is not a holiday in the US Sep 06 14:24:09 hrw: damn, i'm running out of time. too many work. Sep 06 14:24:27 hrw: i'm figthing with orientation now Sep 06 14:24:36 guys what are python packages called? Sep 06 14:25:26 python packages :P Sep 06 14:25:40 python2.5-*? Sep 06 14:25:43 rmrfchik: changing layout of UI? Sep 06 14:25:49 dneary, rm -rf en_GB Sep 06 14:26:14 dneary: well, they hate communists Sep 06 14:26:20 Amen. Sep 06 14:26:38 may day was invented by the second international Sep 06 14:26:44 hrw: yes. seems like I know how to catch the orientation changing and relayouting. But now program crahes on exit Sep 06 14:26:47 *** glibc detected *** qexed: free(): invalid pointer: 0x001ff3b0 *** Sep 06 14:26:57 dneary, drafting the email. Sep 06 14:26:59 after l->removeItem; l->addItem Sep 06 14:27:15 <_trine> can anyone tell me the name and where to get an app to record audio Sep 06 14:27:24 <_trine> on the n900 Sep 06 14:27:38 better dead than red Sep 06 14:27:41 rmrfchik: add checks for items.count()? Sep 06 14:27:43 http://pastie.org/1141540 -> But this describtion writes it: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html Sep 06 14:27:52 kewl Sep 06 14:27:53 ahh... may be i shouldn't use *item functions Sep 06 14:27:55 sec Sep 06 14:28:01 _trine: recaller Sep 06 14:28:15 _trine, audacity, for example? Sep 06 14:28:16 <_trine> thanks kerio Sep 06 14:28:21 tiny widget, supports recording of about any audio source, can also record calls, and can do that automatically Sep 06 14:28:24 * hrw wants apmefo sources... Sep 06 14:28:28 real ones... Sep 06 14:28:30 Ah, sorry - /me sees "on the n900" Sep 06 14:28:44 ieatlint, there's a reason the US economy is falling to pieces. ;) Sep 06 14:29:00 does everybody use debian here ? Sep 06 14:29:15 Nokia provides mostly deb packages and it is a closed source development. Sep 06 14:29:18 GAN900: is the same reason as greece? Sep 06 14:29:23 <_trine> djszapi: I do a bit Sep 06 14:29:26 or most of europe? Sep 06 14:29:31 I use slackware, maemo. Sep 06 14:29:32 :P Sep 06 14:29:52 pog: i know Sep 06 14:29:53 :D Sep 06 14:30:02 The free market made us #1, now socialism is steadily killing us. Sep 06 14:30:05 okia does not provide source packages all the time, sometimes just deb packages ... Sep 06 14:30:19 any idea for it ? http://pastie.org/1141540 -> I am trying to use lenny. Sep 06 14:30:20 djszapi: fremantle on my tablet, jaunty on my server, snow leopard on my laptop Sep 06 14:30:37 jaunty uses deb packages ... Sep 06 14:30:47 it does Sep 06 14:30:48 fremantle too Sep 06 14:30:50 :) Sep 06 14:31:07 <_trine> kerio: where can I get the recaller app Sep 06 14:31:10 I would like to keep my archlinux... Sep 06 14:31:12 huh, repos? Sep 06 14:31:22 I have just installed lenny into my chroot subdirectory. Sep 06 14:31:27 djszapi, no, I am using arch Sep 06 14:31:30 rly ? Sep 06 14:31:38 very good news ;) Sep 06 14:31:46 GAN900: i'd respond to that statement, but for two reasons... first, to the thanks of everyone in here for not getting too much into politics, and second, because you're from florida Sep 06 14:31:56 not on the n900... on my bigger computers Sep 06 14:31:59 scp1: do you deal with the new harmattan project ? Sep 06 14:32:03 ofc ... Sep 06 14:32:07 no idea what that is Sep 06 14:32:12 maemo 6 Sep 06 14:32:22 I got my phone like a week ago :) Sep 06 14:32:29 http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Harmattan Sep 06 14:32:58 oh I see Sep 06 14:33:04 well, what is it, really ? http://pastie.org/1141540 -> But this describtion writes it: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html Sep 06 14:33:10 scp1: debootstrap from AUR. Sep 06 14:33:18 then install debian into chroot subfolder. Sep 06 14:33:22 that is what I tried. Sep 06 14:33:29 then I got the above mentioned error ;) Sep 06 14:33:29 scp1: it's not a phone :< Sep 06 14:33:48 djszapi, I'm really NOT much into debian... Sep 06 14:33:53 oops. I didnt say that. sorry :p Sep 06 14:34:01 n900, a good phone, yes. phone phone phone Sep 06 14:34:19 Adeon: i hate you :( Sep 06 14:35:19 ieatlint, how progressive of you. Sep 06 14:35:31 does anybody use debian here ? Sep 06 14:35:47 all except for us probably :p Sep 06 14:35:55 djszapi, I do. And a lot of us do indirectly, by using ubuntu (debian based) Sep 06 14:36:01 yeah show of hands, who doesn't have easydebian installed? Sep 06 14:36:02 :P Sep 06 14:36:06 GAN900: please, like you wouldn't stereotype me from being from san francisco Sep 06 14:36:26 my SO is from tampa, i'd say i have slightly more perspective :P Sep 06 14:36:37 i'll wait for that bmw-meego cooperation and someone crying 'it's not a car' Sep 06 14:36:54 uh Sep 06 14:36:58 it isn't.. Sep 06 14:37:05 it's a satnav with wheels. Sep 06 14:37:14 ieatlint, lot of my family lives in SF. Sep 06 14:37:16 MNZ: what can be the above pasted problem ? I have just followed the official instructions. Sep 06 14:37:18 pexi, it really IS NOT a phone :/ It's a tablet that happens to have phone functionality Sep 06 14:37:35 yeah, too bad nokia market it as their highend phone Sep 06 14:38:02 mine doesn't look even tablet Sep 06 14:38:04 cool Sep 06 14:38:09 we've got awesome burritos Sep 06 14:38:11 it looks more like.. i donno.. phone Sep 06 14:38:12 it's not a tablet eiter Sep 06 14:38:20 it's a hackable multipurpose device i suppose:P Sep 06 14:38:26 Anyone not calling it a phone is barking mad. Sep 06 14:38:30 instead of bitching about if it's a phone or not, is there a way to use > Perl 5.8.3 natively? Sep 06 14:38:40 incoming call ! Sep 06 14:38:41 :P Sep 06 14:38:42 It's sold as a phone - therefore not calling it a phone is the act of an insane person. Sep 06 14:38:46 djszapi, I don't have any mentions of scratchbox.org in my sources.list Sep 06 14:39:10 how did you install it then ? Sep 06 14:39:25 djszapi, like everyone else, I just used the automated installer script Sep 06 14:39:44 lawl... Sep 06 14:40:23 nah, it's not nokia's high-end phone Sep 06 14:40:30 it's just in another league Sep 06 14:40:44 this is starting to sound just like in #ubuntu Sep 06 14:40:47 djszapi, the sane thing would really be to download the automated script and read it Sep 06 14:40:54 i'm not saying what it is, i'm saying what they portray it to be Sep 06 14:41:01 n97 beats it as a phone. Sep 06 14:41:17 * mgedmin likes to say N900 is a crappy phone but a superb netbook Sep 06 14:41:20 >> Bleiben Sie im Gespräch Es ist ein Mobiltelefon. Und ein Computer. Genießen Sie flexible Kommunikation über das Mobilfunknetz, Internettelefonie (VoIP) und Instant Messaging (Chat). Sep 06 14:41:23 ieatlint, roadside Mexican food in CA is ridiculous. Sep 06 14:41:28 http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=6958534 Sep 06 14:41:33 djszapi, here's what the script does to apt sources: http://pastebin.com/An4bwPf5 Sep 06 14:41:41 ./scratchbox/tools/scratchbox-base/files/sb_base/run_me_first.sh Sep 06 14:41:41 Host kernel is lacking binfmt_misc support! Sep 06 14:41:41 You need it to run scratchbox. Sep 06 14:41:42 duno, it's an OK phone. it just uses too much battery for audio :P Sep 06 14:41:44 lawl .... Sep 06 14:41:44 hence:D Sep 06 14:41:47 that module is loaded Sep 06 14:42:15 GAN900: what we lack in bbq, we make up for in mexican/chinese food... :P Sep 06 14:42:21 So if Nokia says >>it's a mobile phone. And it's a computer<< then bviously everybody claiming 'it's not a phone' is in conflict with Nokia, no? Sep 06 14:42:43 Its a computer phone! Sep 06 14:43:03 Wow. Sep 06 14:43:04 fine I give up :( it's a computer in disguise as a phone Sep 06 14:43:04 well...nop... Sep 06 14:43:09 this is the right repo: deb http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386 ./ Sep 06 14:43:23 there is no need for automated script or whatever. Sep 06 14:43:33 It turns out I actually have OK signal, not spotty inside my house. (2g/3g) Sep 06 14:43:40 djszapi, yes, if you want the stuff from scratchbox, but if you want to do maemo development you are going to need the maemo packages Sep 06 14:43:51 : deb http://scratchbox.org/debian/ stable main Sep 06 14:43:57 All I needed to do was to bend the SIM connector pins a lot Sep 06 14:44:02 wat Sep 06 14:44:04 so they contact more firmly Sep 06 14:44:05 anyone here have O2 pay as you go? Sep 06 14:44:16 MNZ: what are you talking about ? Sep 06 14:44:19 It is the same ... Sep 06 14:44:21 I live in an area where the people voted not to have a cell phone tower in my development.. but I still get a signal Sep 06 14:44:22 they sent me s60(?) instructions for my n900.. Sep 06 14:44:26 http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html Sep 06 14:44:39 after pr 1.2 my signal strength improved dramatically Sep 06 14:44:58 djszapi, just so we are clear, you want scratchbox to do maemo development right? Sep 06 14:44:59 no idea why Sep 06 14:45:06 SpeedEvil: now that's WTF Sep 06 14:45:19 mmmmmm the thought of s60 on the n900. where can i get it? -g- Sep 06 14:45:19 MNZ: pls pls read the pasted link. Sep 06 14:45:25 it will be clear what I would like to do. Sep 06 14:45:38 2.1 and 2.2 do the same. Sep 06 14:45:41 I mean the final purpose. Sep 06 14:45:46 arg Sep 06 14:46:00 c or v? Sep 06 14:46:02 how the heck does one manually configure a gprs connection? Sep 06 14:46:09 hmm Sep 06 14:46:13 settings->network connections Sep 06 14:46:14 djszapi, it's clear you want to install scratchbox, just answer my question please, maemo development or just scratchbox for some other purpose? Sep 06 14:46:15 pkill(toggles_w) Sep 06 14:46:18 then edit that one Sep 06 14:46:22 ouch Sep 06 14:46:29 MNZ: why am I here ? Sep 06 14:46:34 kerio: as in a *new* one Sep 06 14:46:37 djszapi, exactly. Sep 06 14:46:42 change the old one Sep 06 14:46:48 if i select new, it presumes i want wifi Sep 06 14:46:48 it doesn't support more than one by default Sep 06 14:46:55 thought you knew Sep 06 14:46:58 install fAPN Sep 06 14:47:02 djszapi, in that case I'm pretty sure you need the maemo repos Sep 06 14:47:25 and ? Sep 06 14:47:31 i cant find python package in app download list Sep 06 14:47:34 kerio: the n8x0s didn't have this limit Sep 06 14:47:44 scary - I just picked up the n900 and clicked debian chroot and there I am in squeeze :) Sep 06 14:47:47 why would a later product we made suck more? Sep 06 14:47:49 the n8x0s had no gprs Sep 06 14:47:52 djszapi, eh wait wait wait. Are we talking about apt inside or outside scratchbox? Sep 06 14:48:04 sure.. but it could use gprs via bt Sep 06 14:48:05 inside ... Sep 06 14:48:09 * timeless did all the time Sep 06 14:48:16 since my host is arch as I mentioned it above Sep 06 14:48:19 as i said, install fAPN Sep 06 14:48:36 djszapi, oh, so I wasn't wrong... yeah you need the maemo repos lol. So add the maemo repos, and just remove the scratchbox one Sep 06 14:48:47 wut ?? Sep 06 14:48:54 timeless: (why would a later) good question! :-P Sep 06 14:48:55 I had to install scratchbox somehow ... Sep 06 14:48:59 * Khertan_ is fighting distutils ... does there is a distutils expert here in the room ? Sep 06 14:49:13 guess i google it then Sep 06 14:49:38 Khertan_, you might try #python Sep 06 14:49:55 mgedmin: yep of course :) Sep 06 14:49:56 I can usually get distutils/setuptools to do what I want by cannibalizing other setup.py scripts Sep 06 14:50:02 docs: please remind me to yell at someone rsn Sep 06 14:50:10 dooc: .. Sep 06 14:50:13 doc: .. Sep 06 14:50:13 lol Sep 06 14:50:15 I suspect becoming an expert in distutils will cost one's sanity Sep 06 14:50:22 your nick is too hard to type Sep 06 14:50:26 :)))) Sep 06 14:50:32 timeless: tab? Sep 06 14:50:38 timeless: of course, a pleasure :-D Sep 06 14:50:44 MNZ: what do you mean ? Sep 06 14:50:45 mgedmin: i 'm currently trying to integrate xml in the package :) Sep 06 14:50:53 press tab Sep 06 14:51:04 *** Value of INSERT_MODE set to OFF Sep 06 14:51:05 its esyer for nicknames Sep 06 14:51:11 *** Value of INSERT_MODE set to ON Sep 06 14:51:19 that's what tab does here Sep 06 14:51:35 lol Sep 06 14:51:49 what's "here"? Sep 06 14:51:50 Khertan_, are you looking for install_package_data=True ? Sep 06 14:51:52 is ~65 mA of power use when idle (screen off) reasonable? or do you guys do significantly better Sep 06 14:52:01 (BT and wifi enabled) Sep 06 14:52:13 i dont know if the n900 has tab but lon pc it works Sep 06 14:52:28 "" ircII EPIC4-2.0 Linux 2.4.35 - Accept no limitations.."" lol for the trailing part Sep 06 14:52:31 my n900 has tabs Sep 06 14:52:37 ctcp version me? Sep 06 14:52:37 FrieT, I've no idea how to measure the power usage on a n900 Sep 06 14:52:55 sb-adduser lpapp Sep 06 14:52:55 Host kernel is lacking binfmt_misc support! Sep 06 14:52:55 You need it to run scratchbox. Sep 06 14:52:57 what's it ? Sep 06 14:53:00 wait until it dies, divide the battery capacity (in mAh) by the number of hours? Sep 06 14:53:02 this module is loaded in the host. Sep 06 14:53:06 FrieT: depends Sep 06 14:53:13 mgedmin: good one indeed;> Sep 06 14:53:13 guys any link for python n900? Sep 06 14:53:39 FrieT: somewhat ok for WLAN enabled Sep 06 14:53:48 DocScrutinizer: depends? i'm not doing bg jobs when it's idle, if it checks mail it's going to peak of course. i'm talking "idle" with gsm + bt + wifi. Sep 06 14:53:59 mgedmin: i'm more trying to integrate the xml file in the package as a part of the package and not as 'data' Sep 06 14:54:00 djszapi, have you got the maemo-sdk rootstraps? Sep 06 14:54:19 what do you mean ? Sep 06 14:54:20 Chibi-Taiga: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ Sep 06 14:54:22 FrieT: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Sep 06 14:54:38 now it's down to 40mamp Sep 06 14:54:46 up& down there Sep 06 14:54:48 Khertan_, what do you mean by that? you want setup.py install to copy the .xml files from where to where? or something else? Sep 06 14:54:49 MNZ: I will use harmattan Sep 06 14:55:08 djszapi, .... you don't actually have any of the maemo stuff. There's a rootstrap (a / filesystem) to create the scratchbox target based on Sep 06 14:55:17 500mamp , incoming call Sep 06 14:55:25 for distutils 'data' is everything that's not a .py file Sep 06 14:55:34 djszapi, I'm sorry I don't think I can help you, my info about scratchbox comes mostly from watching the installer script work and from messing about a little Sep 06 14:55:45 mgedmin: yep ... this is what i try to change Sep 06 14:55:46 MNZ: maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh ? Sep 06 14:55:51 mgedmin: the current http://gitorious.org/khteditor/khteditor/blobs/master/setup.py Sep 06 14:56:01 if you don't want your .xml files in /usr/lib/python (which is a bit against debian policy), I don't think you can do that with distutils ... Sep 06 14:56:17 i need to integrate in the khteditor/syntax module the .xml file Sep 06 14:56:20 for download i mean Sep 06 14:56:25 djszapi, no I used the python based installed. It downloads two rootstraps (one for arm and one for i386), I guess you can install those through sb-menu Sep 06 14:56:28 oh wow, you can? Sep 06 14:56:39 mgedmin: oh it s against debian policy ? Sep 06 14:56:49 MNZ: what do you mean ? Sep 06 14:57:07 djszapi, you haven't even gotten to the part where you create targets anyway. Sep 06 14:57:14 mgedmin: so maybe i should rewrite some part to change the location so Sep 06 14:57:15 :) Sep 06 14:57:18 Khertan_, I think so; better double-check Sep 06 14:57:35 IIRC things like .xml files are supposed to be in /usr/share, not /usr/lib/python* Sep 06 14:57:55 djszapi, sorry but like I said, can't help much Sep 06 14:57:56 MNZ: what do you mean ? Sep 06 14:58:34 why isnt python in app sdownload list Sep 06 14:58:40 well, i'm now using o2 for internet access Sep 06 14:58:46 2.5g, "wow" Sep 06 14:58:58 I got the following report in khweeteur bug tracker : Khweeteur is based on the obsolete and buggy package python2.5-qt4-maemo5. An example of bug is that with auto-capitalization disabled, the Shift status is reversed for the first character (typing a letter key gives an uppercase letter, typing Shift + letter gives a lowercase letter). python2.5-qt4-experimental-dev should be used (see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11250). Sep 06 14:58:59 Bug 11250: Shift status is reversed for the first character (Shift+letter gives lowercase) Sep 06 14:59:04 3.5g tmobile here Sep 06 14:59:14 i thought that experimental is ... experimental ... Sep 06 14:59:23 so nothing should depends on it Sep 06 14:59:24 gtalk and skype connected, Sep 06 14:59:47 sip provider failed Sep 06 14:59:47 but ssh works Sep 06 15:00:17 guess i ask on forrums Sep 06 15:01:28 ooh, 3g and one bar of signal, or 3.5 and that same one bar Sep 06 15:05:15 28.8/5.8Mbitwireless internets Sep 06 15:05:26 i want that Sep 06 15:05:29 hmm, how do I disable a button in python? Sep 06 15:06:36 button.enabled = false ? Sep 06 15:07:35 MohammadAG: button.destroy() Sep 06 15:07:36 :) Sep 06 15:07:56 i wanna download it but i cant find it Sep 06 15:08:31 Khertan_, nope, that doesn't do anything :/ Sep 06 15:09:38 Khertan_, that's for PyGTK right? Sep 06 15:10:19 MohammadAG: should destroy it under pygtk or qt :) Sep 06 15:10:29 weird, it doesn't Sep 06 15:10:34 no errors though Sep 06 15:10:47 button.hide() should hide the button in pygtk Sep 06 15:10:52 guess i do it on pc ,to botherdome to search for python n900 Sep 06 15:11:08 also screw unzip Sep 06 15:11:14 Khertan_, button.hide() works in PyQt, but that hides the button Sep 06 15:11:20 I just want to disable it (gray it out) Sep 06 15:13:23 should have gotten n97 instead lovely symbian phones and easy to use Sep 06 15:14:01 meh, I had the N97 before the N900 Sep 06 15:14:10 MohammadAG: button.set_sensitive(False) Sep 06 15:14:52 bah, PyGTK only, AttributeError: 'QPushButton' object has no attribute 'set_sensitive' Sep 06 15:15:11 Hey guys Sep 06 15:15:23 well this os is no fun , hacking symbina slows more then maemo also w/o errors Sep 06 15:15:38 is it possible on N900 / Maemo5, to make an ssh -X N900, then to export a display to my ubuntu PC. the command on the conole open the Application Window on the N900... (I don't seem to be the only one with problems like this). Sep 06 15:15:53 <_Lucretia_> anybody replaced the toolchain in madde? Sep 06 15:16:32 maemo dont even have good players Sep 06 15:16:39 Chibi-Taiga, S60 sucks balls, especially after 9.1, when they locked it down Sep 06 15:16:51 Chibi-Taiga: please go and swap N900 for a symbian phone. You complain since days about supposedly complicated linux, quite obviously N900 is absolutely not the right gadget for you Sep 06 15:16:54 good players? wanna go 1v1 on cod? Sep 06 15:17:07 i cant swap Sep 06 15:17:17 yes pog Sep 06 15:17:27 bcuz somwhygiene rule here Sep 06 15:17:29 dneary, sent. Sep 06 15:17:32 Chibi-Taiga: that's not *anybody's* problem but your own Sep 06 15:18:11 all i want is simple just an unzipper or an unrar Sep 06 15:18:39 just this phone is to picky to install it Sep 06 15:18:49 all I want is just a cahn without that constant whining Sep 06 15:18:58 just install xarchiver Sep 06 15:19:05 http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=unrar&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same Sep 06 15:19:22 Note: UI needs stylus Sep 06 15:19:27 i dont remember seeing that in app download list Sep 06 15:19:57 http://maemo.org/packages/view/xarchiver Sep 06 15:21:06 * DocScrutinizer points Chibi-Taiga to talk.maemo.org - please consider moving your complaints and constant whining over there Sep 06 15:21:29 i just recommended n900 to somebody Sep 06 15:21:35 and i hope i won't regret it Sep 06 15:21:47 n900 is not for everybody Sep 06 15:21:57 Did you get your referral bonus? Sep 06 15:22:03 Oops - not supposed to mention that. Sep 06 15:22:09 hehe Sep 06 15:24:02 do i need an account to see a download buttona. Sep 06 15:24:11 button?* Sep 06 15:24:11 MohammadAG: ah sorry i think you were looking for a pygtk method Sep 06 15:25:22 jacekowski, heh, if only people here listen to recommendations, he asked about the N900, knowing him as a noob I suggested an iPhone, the next day he got an N900 Sep 06 15:26:19 <_Lucretia_> luke-jr: I saw your comment here: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html, what's not compatible between gcc-4.4 and 4.5? The ABI should be the same, that was the whole point of the ABI changes in GCC a few years back. Sep 06 15:27:35 just version change is enought to break a lot Sep 06 15:28:59 <_Lucretia_> jacekowski: was that aimed at me? Sep 06 15:29:02 btw that extras-devil is it dead? Sep 06 15:41:42 huh... iphone-controlled quadricopter Sep 06 15:41:47 300£ Sep 06 15:45:40 kerio: the N900 can control a real helicopter! Sep 06 15:46:05 kerio: so iCrap is lagging behind... again :D Sep 06 15:46:05 Wouldn't want to be on that thing... Sep 06 15:46:08 anyone know how "london" and "city of london" differ? Sep 06 15:46:17 ignore the obvious character count issue Sep 06 15:46:30 "cit... damn timeless Sep 06 15:46:59 timeless: my guess would be that London also means the general area around the city Sep 06 15:46:59 and i'm typing on my n900 Sep 06 15:47:23 timeless: lcuk should perhaps know better Sep 06 15:47:25 timeless, city of london is the tiny core afaik Sep 06 15:47:34 http://consumero2.directoryconnection.com/site_details.php?id=1077684 Sep 06 15:47:41 my search gave me that Sep 06 15:47:50 anyone see anything obviously missing? Sep 06 15:48:34 dneary, Nokia World is next Tuesday. Sep 06 15:48:39 hmm Sep 06 15:48:46 good coffee? Sep 06 15:50:03 hi Sep 06 15:50:21 drizztbsd: hi Sep 06 15:50:28 I'm doing a .deb package, how can I know if I'm building on N900/fremantle or N810 or N800 etc? Sep 06 15:50:42 I want to do an universal source package Sep 06 15:50:52 drizztbsd: what SDK are you building with? Sep 06 15:50:55 GAN900, Are the Maemo staff & council going? Sep 06 15:50:57 maemo 5 Sep 06 15:51:04 It's for n900 Sep 06 15:51:05 Let's do it Thursday then Sep 06 15:51:12 but I want to release an universal source package Sep 06 15:51:13 this thursday Sep 06 15:51:16 dneary, Jaffa is, apparently. Sep 06 15:51:18 OK Sep 06 15:51:25 drizztbsd: for Maemo 4, build with its SDK Sep 06 15:51:33 * lcuk hmm Sep 06 15:51:49 * GAN900 will need to manage not to throw up first. Sep 06 15:51:53 drizztbsd: the two versions have two different set of libraries and stuff... Sep 06 16:10:29 timeless: london ussualy means greater londo Sep 06 16:10:41 timeless: while city of london is just one of boroughs Sep 06 16:10:58 humm is it possible to attach an ext hdd on n900 ? Sep 06 16:11:20 kind of maybe yes Sep 06 16:11:23 i'd guess with the proper usb trickery, yes Sep 06 16:11:49 humm so it need a trick ? Sep 06 16:11:54 nah Sep 06 16:11:55 nfs client ? Sep 06 16:11:56 :) Sep 06 16:12:11 chibi-taiga: not through the usb port currently Sep 06 16:12:31 i saw an youtube vid though so i was wondering Sep 06 16:12:48 he used an thumpstick Sep 06 16:13:05 It only randomly works afaik Sep 06 16:13:16 i see Sep 06 16:13:21 would be nice though Sep 06 16:13:28 extra storage Sep 06 16:19:38 * Chibi-Taiga -< MPClassic >-< [HorribleSubs] HIGHSCHOOL OF THE DEAD - 10 [720p].mkv >-< Playtime 00:00 of 25:13 @ ~312.81KB/s (462.2MB) >-< ( N/A ) >- Sep 06 16:20:07 extra storage? hell, even my laptop has less than 64GB Sep 06 16:20:21 your laptop fails Sep 06 16:20:25 my netbook has 640gb though Sep 06 16:20:28 that's not enough for half of the full mame romset :< Sep 06 16:22:07 it's also a bit small for mp2 vids of all the movies I've ever seen - but meh Sep 06 16:22:19 anybody that knows how to help the person that reported https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11247 ? Sep 06 16:22:20 Bug 11247: Custom Ringtones - Conflict Packages at Program installation Sep 06 16:22:28 she reported it as a custom ringtones bug Sep 06 16:22:37 but it looks like a maemo upgrade problem Sep 06 16:22:47 she gets: Sep 06 16:22:48 Conflicts between Maemo 5 (2.2009.51-1) Sep 06 16:22:48 hildon-thumbnail (3.0.43+0m5) Sep 06 16:23:08 my main comp has slighly more though Sep 06 16:23:18 Hard Disks: (Total/Free: 8.41/2.37TB , Total/Free space on: C: 75.13/40.11GB , D: 465.76/216.14GB , E: 390.62/388.26GB , F: 931.51/250.41GB , G: 931.51/87.27GB , H: 1.36/1.36TB , I: 1.36/0.03TB , J: 2.73/0.01TB , K: 232.88/18.49GB) Sep 06 16:23:28 haha i see letters Sep 06 16:23:30 lots of letters Sep 06 16:23:37 my god, why would someone think that's a good idea Sep 06 16:23:40 i have to flash from scratch and all i have is an osx laptop Sep 06 16:23:45 your setup begs for LVM Sep 06 16:24:09 do i need anything other than RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin ? Sep 06 16:24:27 or even better, some raid0 Sep 06 16:24:29 Chibi-Taiga: yeah, but can it hotswap? like 32GB uSD on N900? :-P Sep 06 16:24:43 it supports 16gb+ ? Sep 06 16:25:15 and by uSD, he means µSD Sep 06 16:25:22 kerio: begs for decent OS, first of all Sep 06 16:25:24 and yes my rig is hotswap Sep 06 16:25:28 DocScrutinizer: well of course Sep 06 16:25:28 :) Sep 06 16:25:29 wtf. i can't flash an n900 with osx? Sep 06 16:25:32 macer: yeah flashing just emmc is bad idea Sep 06 16:25:35 Macer: i did :| Sep 06 16:26:22 http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6691/19022010009.jpg http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3228/07122009384.jpg Sep 06 16:26:25 ShadowJK: what else do i need to start from scratch? Sep 06 16:26:32 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N900 Sep 06 16:26:35 that is what i am reading Sep 06 16:26:51 the nokia site only seems to have the emmc stuff that is relevant to flashing it Sep 06 16:27:05 maybe i should just go ahead and use a damn windows flasher and let it all do it for me Sep 06 16:27:39 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin Sep 06 16:27:39 Macer: the flasher is the same :| Sep 06 16:27:46 oh ... maybe that would be the one i need? :) Sep 06 16:28:07 Latest Maemo 5 USA release for Nokia N900 Sep 06 16:28:14 flash the global, duh Sep 06 16:29:14 OK. Let me shove the battery back in this n900 Sep 06 16:29:38 blah. too bad nitdroid doesn't have the modem working completely yet.. otherwise it would be worth using as default :) Sep 06 16:30:15 yay Sep 06 16:30:25 modified unzip-fm to unrar-fm :P Sep 06 16:30:41 unzip-fm? Sep 06 16:30:43 :o Sep 06 16:31:07 the filemanager addon that unpacks zips using osso-filemanager Sep 06 16:31:14 oh Sep 06 16:31:27 i thought it was related to the radio Sep 06 16:32:15 unzipping the radio? Sep 06 16:32:29 unzip filemanager Sep 06 16:32:35 fm stands for filemanager Sep 06 16:32:41 i made that mistake as well Sep 06 16:32:55 and disassembled libcpfm or something Sep 06 16:33:00 looking for some reference to radio Sep 06 16:33:06 lol Sep 06 16:33:25 anyways Sep 06 16:33:26 home time Sep 06 16:35:06 hi Sep 06 16:36:34 general question on the maemo sw running on an N900: there is the modest email client. when I set it to update emails periodically, it won't automatically connect to the internet. when I manually start it and update emails, it connects automatically. is this a known bug? Sep 06 16:37:27 anime is just to awesome Sep 06 16:37:44 Goliath23: just configure phone to connect automaticaly Sep 06 16:39:09 jacekowski: Then I would be online all the time. The wanted behaviour is, that maemo connects (to WLAN or GPRS) when I (or a program that I configured to periodically check some data on the net) needs the connection. (and disconnect afterwards, which I can achieve by installing AutoDisconnect) Sep 06 16:40:41 ok. flasher is waiting for the device Sep 06 16:40:48 the device boots with a usb symbol for a second Sep 06 16:40:52 then goes into multi boot Sep 06 16:40:57 it doesn't seem to want to find the device :( Sep 06 16:41:36 macer: ping Sep 06 16:41:39 http://www.o2.co.uk/webtopup/helpwithtoppingup Sep 06 16:41:54 Goliath23: the supposed usage mode however is to keep GPRS enabled all the time Sep 06 16:42:05 can you click on the which credit/debit card line? Sep 06 16:42:06 uhm Sep 06 16:42:17 as there's usually not a single advantage in disabling GPRS Sep 06 16:42:27 * timeless sighs Sep 06 16:42:33 o2 is being evil Sep 06 16:42:40 i'm trying to fix my n900 :-P Sep 06 16:42:51 their iPhone plan is tied to the imei for iphones Sep 06 16:43:00 doc: how about you? Sep 06 16:43:08 (i got your nick right! Sep 06 16:43:15 DocScrutinizer: It allows me to use the device a whole day. Keeping the device connected all the time drains the battery very fast. Sep 06 16:43:16 wut? Sep 06 16:43:22 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Sep 06 16:43:24 load that link Sep 06 16:43:31 DocScrutinizer: I'd call that a major advantage. Sep 06 16:43:32 click the credit card line Sep 06 16:43:40 Goliath23: that's a problem not to be solved via disabling GPRS Sep 06 16:43:47 DocScrutinizer: huh? Sep 06 16:43:48 do i have to do somthing special to this n900 to put it into flashable mode or something? Sep 06 16:43:48 really? Sep 06 16:43:49 DocScrutinizer: but? Sep 06 16:43:53 is that also true for umts/hsdpa? Sep 06 16:44:00 Macer: huh Sep 06 16:44:04 plug the usb cable while holding u Sep 06 16:44:19 * timeless sighs Sep 06 16:44:23 kerio: sure Sep 06 16:44:23 DocScrutinizer: shall I solve it by chharging more often? :) Sep 06 16:44:46 dneary, i am at manchester university at that time thursday Sep 06 16:44:52 anyone have an app that does phone number based contact awarching? Sep 06 16:44:55 DocScrutinizer: wait, WHAT Sep 06 16:45:08 Goliath23: I suggest to solve it by learning about the fundamentals of GPRS Sep 06 16:45:17 i'm talking umts/hsdpa here Sep 06 16:45:48 DocScrutinizer: I'm a user whose Handset runs out of battery quite fast. Not a developer. maybe that's the wrong channel then. Sep 06 16:45:59 maybe it's the wrong phone Sep 06 16:45:59 :) Sep 06 16:46:07 Hi, i have a problem on my n900. I was trying to install SCIM and MSCIM for japanese input but it was not working, so i've decided to delete it and go back to default input method. Anyway after this i can't no longer see the special character popup: when i press Sum+Fn does not happens anything! Sep 06 16:46:18 could anyone help me? Sep 06 16:46:37 hm. now i have the usb symbol on an unlit nokia screen Sep 06 16:46:38 DocScrutinizer: is one of the GPRS fundamentals, that it doesn't need more power no matter if there is an active connection or not? Sep 06 16:46:41 but flasher still has Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Sep 06 16:47:10 Goliath23: exactly Sep 06 16:47:12 Macer: what distro? Sep 06 16:47:18 OSX Sep 06 16:47:29 the power needed for an established login to GPRS is ~3mA Sep 06 16:47:32 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Sep 06 16:48:00 Macer: hm, I once had the same. was a version conflict ina dependency iirc Sep 06 16:48:08 OMG Sep 06 16:48:19 this seriously should not be this difficult Sep 06 16:48:23 * timeless rotfl Sep 06 16:48:25 let me just plug the damn thing into a windows box :) Sep 06 16:48:43 could someone w/ a web browser read the last line of Sep 06 16:48:44 http://www.o2.co.uk/shop/paygotopup/creditdebitcardtopup Sep 06 16:48:54 where it says "a telefonica ..." Sep 06 16:48:58 Macer: yes, maybe this works. or an ubuntu based distro Sep 06 16:49:24 Goliath23: it's the transmission of data either direction, that consumes lots of power. Establishing a connection does a fair amount of data transfer. The idle connection is really humble, needing some ~3mA Sep 06 16:50:00 Goliath23: that's the rationale you usually *keep* the connection, rather than to tear it down every so often Sep 06 16:50:21 DocScrutinizer: okay, but 3mA is not really nothing, right? Sep 06 16:50:36 ok now to hunt down this damn windows updater Sep 06 16:50:42 Goliath23: but - quite obviously - you want to make sure you don't transfer data over GPRS all the time Sep 06 16:50:46 builder dead? Sep 06 16:50:46 it's really preyy close to nothing Sep 06 16:50:54 DocScrutinizer: according to the wiki page, the difference between 2G and 3G is 1.4mA and I can really feel the difference Sep 06 16:50:59 umts is 8ma Sep 06 16:51:07 Goliath23: it is small enough to allow 400h of standby Sep 06 16:51:37 hrm Sep 06 16:51:50 * timeless wonders if firefox is available somewhere Sep 06 16:52:20 Goliath23: nope, you're looking the wrong row for this. What you feel is the difference of 45mA vs 136mA Sep 06 16:52:37 for 10s pings Sep 06 16:52:39 timeless, a telephonica company? Sep 06 16:52:41 timeless, that page shows up in english for me, sorry Sep 06 16:52:44 timeless: uh.. "A telefonica company" ... "(C) 2010 Telefonica O2 UK Limited." ... terms and conditions.. privacy policy? Sep 06 16:52:51 err 30s Sep 06 16:52:57 s/ph/f/ Sep 06 16:52:57 MohammadAG meant: timeless, a telefonica company? Sep 06 16:52:58 DocScrutinizer: aha Sep 06 16:53:35 does it say company? Sep 06 16:53:36 lcuk: Propose an alternative time, but I'd really like to have some kind of meeting this week Sep 06 16:53:40 136mA means battery down after 10h Sep 06 16:53:50 for me it said something like that, but not actually that Sep 06 16:54:06 turn off image loading Sep 06 16:54:06 and inplies there's something constantly sending/receiving data over GPRS Sep 06 16:54:13 you need to read the alt tag Sep 06 16:54:40 dneary, friday same time perhaps, or earlier thursday or wednesday etc? Sep 06 16:55:01 lcuk: Propose on the mailing list Sep 06 16:55:18 Maybe mail the council first to see if there's a particular time that suits the 5 of you? Sep 06 16:55:27 DocScrutinizer: and 3mA reduce standby by what amount? Sep 06 16:55:52 3mA would drain battery after ~400h Sep 06 16:56:01 DocScrutinizer: facebook widget? Sep 06 16:56:03 omfg this is retarded Sep 06 16:56:09 where can i download the nokia updating app for windows? Sep 06 16:56:16 MohammadAG? Sep 06 16:56:21 * lcuk isnt council :P Sep 06 16:56:22 ugh. It started reloading every winow when I switched images to "Never". This will take ages. Sep 06 16:56:22 the one that downloads and updates it all for you? Sep 06 16:56:23 Macer: not sure why you're having problema Sep 06 16:56:37 kerio: yeah. that makes two of us but evidently my mb doesn't want to see the n900 Sep 06 16:56:46 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Sep 06 16:56:59 stupid question... you're root, right? Sep 06 16:57:15 timeless: the first telefonica vanished without images Sep 06 16:57:20 I bet he's not Sep 06 16:57:38 as there is no root on OSX by default :_P Sep 06 16:57:43 huh? Sep 06 16:57:45 it's unix Sep 06 16:57:47 there's always a root Sep 06 16:57:50 timeless, I don't... get it A Telefónica comapny Sep 06 16:58:05 i'm running it as sudo so yes? Sep 06 16:58:09 MohammadAG? Sep 06 16:58:16 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Sep 06 16:58:23 oops, scrollback Sep 06 16:58:24 could someone w/ a web browser read the last line of Sep 06 16:58:25 http://www.o2.co.uk/shop/paygotopup/creditdebitcardtopup Sep 06 16:58:29 maybe i should just sudo -s and try running it? Sep 06 16:58:43 Macer Sep 06 16:58:50 keep flasher running Sep 06 16:58:53 © 2010 Telefónica O2 UK Limited. Sep 06 16:58:53 take out the battery Sep 06 16:58:56 plug in the USB Sep 06 16:58:59 i didn't know telefonica bought o2 Sep 06 16:59:01 plug in the battery Sep 06 16:59:06 watch flasher scroll Sep 06 16:59:20 you didn'tt get it? Sep 06 16:59:23 maybe hold 'u' while inserting battery Sep 06 16:59:27 get what? Sep 06 16:59:28 you quoted the right bit! Sep 06 16:59:37 oh, yeah, in the left there's a "a telefonica company" image Sep 06 16:59:40 Telefónica comapny Sep 06 17:00:31 MohammadAG: nope Sep 06 17:00:33 * ShadowJK couldn't copy/paste it Sep 06 17:00:56 yea, iphones suck ... Sep 06 17:00:58 :) Sep 06 17:01:23 hm. let me try holding u again :) Sep 06 17:01:33 @@@ Sep 06 17:01:42 if your n900 boots it wont work Sep 06 17:01:55 or has booted Sep 06 17:02:00 MohammadAG, so ever met a comAPNy before? Sep 06 17:02:15 LOL Sep 06 17:02:17 OH WAIT. it just took off :) Sep 06 17:02:43 * Macer watches his n900 get bricked right before his eyes Sep 06 17:02:44 now you have, thanks to telefonica Sep 06 17:02:44 haha Sep 06 17:02:47 Macer, that'll be 50 IRC bucks please Sep 06 17:02:55 Hi Sep 06 17:03:02 macer: if your commandline includes -R, it'll fail :) Sep 06 17:03:10 ok, next challenge Sep 06 17:03:13 https://registration.o2.co.uk/o2/webtopup/mobiledetailsprepare.do Sep 06 17:03:22 ShadowJK: uh oh Sep 06 17:03:42 Macer: so now if you either manage to keep device from regular boot between flashing, or flash VANILLA image first, then you got chances to actually flash eMMC and get a working system Sep 06 17:03:44 can someone please find something which specifies what kind of terms and conditions apply to cc payment? Sep 06 17:04:02 someone from o2 claimed it's mention british credit cards only Sep 06 17:04:19 i can't even find anything mentioning terms Sep 06 17:04:27 looks like it's trying to boot Sep 06 17:04:51 Macer, first boot takes a shitload of time Sep 06 17:04:56 really i just want to make sure the nitdroid installer works properly so i figured i'd put a stock maemo on it Sep 06 17:05:08 docscrutinizer: well no, if he first flashes emmc and boots, it boots into broken system.. if he first flashes fiasco and boots, data gets moved to emmc and system becomes broken once he flashes emmc Sep 06 17:05:19 for some reason the nitdroid installer made maemo stop booting.. probably some obscure multiboot problem Sep 06 17:05:22 so just dont use the reboot flag :D Sep 06 17:05:35 ShadowJK: so isn't that exactly what I said? Sep 06 17:05:38 would be nice to try out meego too once they get the modem working as well Sep 06 17:06:08 humm kernel power flasher cant find it on maemo.org Sep 06 17:06:20 Ironic that you can make calls on N900+Android but not on N900+MeeGo :) Sep 06 17:06:21 wtf. a piece of my phone .... fell out? Sep 06 17:06:30 wtf is that?? Sep 06 17:06:30 docscrutinizzer: you implied one could boot after flashing vanilla and still flash emmc without a third flash of fiasco again :) Sep 06 17:06:35 ShadowJK: and by the way the rationale why I always say the wiki is abysmal wrong on recommending to flash rootfs first Sep 06 17:06:40 DocScrutinizer: I'll take your comments as a chance to try with "always on" ... I set the search interval to 60 minutes, prolonged the update intervals of some widgets and configured AutoDisconnect to automatically switch to 2G if there is not much data transferred. Sep 06 17:06:52 ShadowJK: vanilla IS eMMC Sep 06 17:07:27 Stskeeps sweared voicecalls are working. i seeing last (prebuilt) version now... now phone support yet, seems Sep 06 17:07:40 MiXu-, no voicecalls @nitdroid yet Sep 06 17:07:57 heh Sep 06 17:08:01 ShadowJK: so I implied nothing of what you claim I did Sep 06 17:08:04 try loading https://registration.o2.co.uk/ Sep 06 17:08:18 ah ok Sep 06 17:08:22 DocScrutinizer: btw. If I would set search interval to 5 minutes and NOT set "change to WLAN if possible" .. would that drain a lot of battery? (since it theoretically wouldn't need to check if there is a GPRS connection) Sep 06 17:09:22 wlan has or had a tendency to get stuck active for me when I had change to wlan activated... it'd drain battery in 6 hours when the bug hit Sep 06 17:10:46 "check if there's a gprs connection" shouldn't use any power Sep 06 17:10:47 Goliath23: search interval seems to have impact on battery life no matter if it autoswitches to WLAN or not Sep 06 17:11:45 DocScrutinizer: probably a software bug Sep 06 17:12:08 Goliath23: especially if you have any connection configured that has "hidden SSID", which is a real nonsense Sep 06 17:12:26 DocScrutinizer: is there a bug entry for that? Sep 06 17:12:40 Goliath23: that's not actually a bug Sep 06 17:13:13 DocScrutinizer: ok, it's an important missing feature .. Sep 06 17:13:22 a wishlist entry :) Sep 06 17:13:47 Goliath23: see, if you have a connection with hidden SSID of "foobar" and the wifi scans all available staions, it needs to SEND a query to all stations with hidden SSID if they by any incident are "foobar" Sep 06 17:14:00 guys what can i do about this http://a.imageshack.us/img824/2392/screenshot2010090619092.png Sep 06 17:14:17 Goliath23: sending is expensive Sep 06 17:15:10 Goliath23: and there's only so much you can do about all that Sep 06 17:15:22 Goliath23: just don't use 'hidden SSID' Sep 06 17:15:22 wtf is kernel-flasher-maemo Sep 06 17:15:32 DocScrutinizer: okay. I was still at the easier case (don't scan for connections if a) a gprs connection is active and b) "swtich to wlan" is disabled Sep 06 17:16:13 Enhanced Linux kernel for power users Sep 06 17:16:30 i wanan underpower the cpu to enlarge the battery life Sep 06 17:16:31 so what is the device actually supposed to do at all during scan periods? Sep 06 17:17:34 Chibi-Taiga: NOOOOOO, please go away from whereever you are this moment. And never ever mention it here for next 6 months *at least* Sep 06 17:17:47 http://img830.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010090521592.png/ Sep 06 17:18:15 ~omap-oc Sep 06 17:18:15 i heard omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! Sep 06 17:18:17 You seriously don't want to underclock. The thing is slow as is. Sep 06 17:18:26 have you heard about flash 10.1 for arm Sep 06 17:18:42 and underclocking is mega BS regarding battery savings Sep 06 17:18:45 overclock and underpower should be good as they say Sep 06 17:19:08 Chibi-Taiga: do whatever you want Sep 06 17:19:12 Chibi-Taiga: please read that link, and stop it now Sep 06 17:19:18 Chibi-Taiga: just don't tell us that your phone is dead Sep 06 17:19:32 its oced to 900 mhz now Sep 06 17:19:40 it was for 2 months on 825 Sep 06 17:19:55 just want to see what it is capable off Sep 06 17:19:58 Chibi-Taiga: We don't give a damn shit about it Sep 06 17:20:28 read http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 !!! Sep 06 17:21:19 <_Lucretia_> I'm trying to set up my N900 as a target, I've tried the new root password that I set when I installed mad developer, and I've tried the password that is created when I press the developer password button, none work Sep 06 17:21:23 <_Lucretia_> I can ping the device Sep 06 17:21:25 so anyways why would a phone die from overclock, its basicly a pocked pc, cpu's are made to over clock rite ? look at it many i7 users oc to 4ghz, ok thats cooled, but for a lappy it isnt Sep 06 17:21:43 it's different cpu Sep 06 17:21:47 different design Sep 06 17:21:55 take that OC nonsense to t.m.o where it belongs. There you find literally all sorts of claims and their exact opposite, and nobody has a fsckng clue about it Sep 06 17:22:06 designed to spend most of it's lifetime in 0Hz mode Sep 06 17:22:59 Chibi-Taiga: a last time: please read the link above, and keep that nonsense out of here Sep 06 17:23:10 Chibi-Taiga: and have you noticed that these 4GHz+ cpus ussualy don't last very long Sep 06 17:23:45 who knows , lots humans live long specialy gamers Sep 06 17:24:17 it's your decision Sep 06 17:24:26 just don't come back crying Sep 06 17:24:29 i myself had an 3.8ghz amd dual core but i jumed over to an 6core though Sep 06 17:24:29 DocScrutinizer: when I have gprs on and am traveling, does it need to send and receive data on every cell change? Sep 06 17:24:38 i know what the risks are Sep 06 17:24:39 yes Sep 06 17:24:53 Goliath23: it does anyway, for GSM Sep 06 17:24:54 DocScrutinizer: additional data, compared to just GSM? Sep 06 17:24:57 Have reports been coming in yet about N900s fried by overclocking? I haven't seen one. Sep 06 17:24:59 nope Sep 06 17:25:01 DocScrutinizer: ah, okay Sep 06 17:25:09 there were Sep 06 17:25:19 i saw somebody couple days ago Sep 06 17:25:55 if ocing is that dangerous they wouldnt publish it on the net would they ? Sep 06 17:26:16 Chibi-Taiga: what do you mean by they Sep 06 17:26:32 Chibi-Taiga: you also are publishing it right now, and those who do the same have no any better clue than you Sep 06 17:26:33 Chibi-Taiga: guns are dangerous and you can buy them in every shop in US Sep 06 17:26:56 jacekowski, Not *every* shop. Sep 06 17:26:57 well why would they publish oc settings for the n900 if its that dangerous Sep 06 17:27:15 Chibi-Taiga: BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST LIKE YOU Sep 06 17:27:26 NOW TAKE IT ELSEWHERE Sep 06 17:28:04 it's sort of like HV is dangerous Sep 06 17:28:12 i think iphones are more dangerous with its exploding batteries Sep 06 17:28:22 why we are making 110kV transformers Sep 06 17:28:31 anybody can buy one Sep 06 17:28:34 (Nokia has not, does not, and will not publish OC settings for the N900) Sep 06 17:28:44 Stop spreading the FUD about OC being dangerous! :| Sep 06 17:28:48 Chibi-Taiga, it's not dangerous Sep 06 17:28:49 lol, you bet they won't Sep 06 17:28:53 just costly, that's all Sep 06 17:29:15 DocScrutinizer: hmm, well, i don't see why nokia would care really Sep 06 17:29:21 MNZ: nobody except Chibi-Taiga used the term 'dangerous' Sep 06 17:29:31 DocScrutinizer: it's not their problem if user fucks up their device Sep 06 17:29:58 HellOlAloHallOhayo.. I HI.. Sep 06 17:30:31 but ok if you say its bad then i set it back to 600 Sep 06 17:30:45 set it to 9000 Sep 06 17:30:53 OVER 9000! Sep 06 17:30:57 it wont reach that Sep 06 17:31:01 ArkAnGiCIA: hi Sep 06 17:31:02 try Sep 06 17:31:03 its no scouter Sep 06 17:31:07 >_> Sep 06 17:31:29 My Symbol virtual keyboard is disappeared! Anyone can help me? Sep 06 17:31:37 MNZ: less memes, more audio Sep 06 17:31:50 DocScrutinizer, count to 10, and -o Sep 06 17:32:17 count to 10 and /kick ArkAnGiCIA Sep 06 17:32:50 ArkAnGiCIA: ping Sep 06 17:33:09 kerio, :| Sep 06 17:33:09 oh, thought you were going to kick someone else Sep 06 17:33:18 ArkAnGiCIA: identify as human being, or get kicked Sep 06 17:33:18 19:29 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from ArkAnGiCIA: mIRC v6.32 Khaled Mardam-Bey Sep 06 17:33:22 ok i used the qcpuferq to set it to 550 Sep 06 17:33:28 * MNZ goes back to his hole Sep 06 17:33:51 <_Lucretia_> Can anyone help me with this? http://pastebin.com/C1SR0aU7 <- I can set up the n900 via QtCreator, but not by hand Sep 06 17:33:55 MNZ: <3 Sep 06 17:34:03 hmm Sep 06 17:34:18 <_Lucretia_> and before someone tells me just to use QtCreator, I'm not intending on using it just yet Sep 06 17:34:48 DocScrutinizer: update - ssh over usb working, N900 using the eeepc as a gateway to the wifi, debian chroot installed and the fs.img copied to allow me to "experiment" ;), Sep 06 17:35:35 currently logged in my ssh over USB and chroot int he copy and installing some stuff to see what'll run Sep 06 17:36:06 meh, out for shopping Sep 06 17:37:57 'ello Sep 06 17:38:13 shopping? it's midnight:30 ffs! Sep 06 17:38:20 snap , it stays 900mhz if i run overclock option 5 Sep 06 17:38:30 oh you're still there jpinx-eeepc Sep 06 17:39:01 that's good Sep 06 17:39:09 leave it at 900 Sep 06 17:39:32 700 now lowest i can set it with the app Sep 06 17:41:36 oh, wow Sep 06 17:41:44 this keyboard has ~ too Sep 06 17:42:02 no need for the blue menu for it! Sep 06 17:42:17 what kbd? Sep 06 17:42:21 timeless, which keyboard is thaT? Sep 06 17:42:32 and my keyboard has ~ too Sep 06 17:42:38 as shift+fn+a Sep 06 17:43:02 I'd like to map my backspace button to allow fn+bksp do tilde .. Sep 06 17:43:03 is 700mhz also bad its still an oc of 50mhz per core though Sep 06 17:43:16 I've got alt-gr " on mine. It's a keytronic from 1991 :) Sep 06 17:43:19 alterego: nah, that's tab Sep 06 17:43:36 kerio: is it? Well, that's kind of cool too :) Sep 06 17:43:51 also shift+fn+bksp = esc Sep 06 17:43:51 kerio: ctrl-i is tab Sep 06 17:44:02 ...fn+bksp is not tab Sep 06 17:44:18 merlin1991: I'm having fun here - the chroot is copied for experrimentation Sep 06 17:44:21 I think he might have been saying that's what he'd want it to be because of the simularity. Sep 06 17:44:26 joga: it is on my remapped keyboard Sep 06 17:44:30 kerio, ok Sep 06 17:44:48 jpinx-eeepc, but you're still using your weird ssh tunnel :D Sep 06 17:44:53 merlin1991: I'm still using the ssh over usb and the eeepc as a gateway to the public wifi Sep 06 17:44:55 on my keyboard capslock is also ctrl, right ctrl is escape and scroll lock is esc+a but whatever :) Sep 06 17:45:01 for me fn-z is ~ and fn-c is | Sep 06 17:45:06 which is grerat Sep 06 17:45:08 oh and the key to the left of 1 is alt Sep 06 17:45:17 as i have no need for GBP or EUR Sep 06 17:46:05 I haven't remapped the n900 keyboard but having pipe and stuff would be nice, now I have those on the key bar though Sep 06 17:46:40 is there some howto on remapping? Sep 06 17:46:49 I wouldn't know where to start. Sep 06 17:48:57 hmm Sep 06 17:49:56 mece: sudo vi /usr/share/x11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 Sep 06 17:50:13 or X11 Sep 06 17:54:24 kerio, thanks.. looks like hard work though. Sep 06 17:54:52 nah Sep 06 17:55:15 just mind the indistinguishable combos Sep 06 17:56:00 Hello, i need help on my n900: i can't no longer see the special character view pressing Sym+Fn Sep 06 17:56:28 otacon: did you install something like the hebrew keyboard? Sep 06 17:56:41 timeless, i've installed scim some days ago Sep 06 17:56:44 but i've removed it Sep 06 17:56:55 completly Sep 06 17:57:28 since when i've installed scim the special character view doesn't appear Sep 06 17:58:11 hello Sep 06 17:59:09 Am trying to recieve Arabic E-mail... but when I open it in my N900 it shows wrong characters! Sep 06 17:59:35 as if it is not using the right unicode characters Sep 06 17:59:57 it shows multiple "??????" so many Sep 06 17:59:58 guys how can i get set my cpu to stock sped ? Sep 06 18:01:15 Enter text here...Ciao bella2026sono un bel 25 enne 2026.aggiungimi su messenger ho cam e ci divertiamo2026se vuoi anche in anonimo2026il mio contatto è soltantodonne@live.it AGGIUNGIMI2026CI DIVERTIAMO2026PROVARE X CREDERE Sep 06 18:02:15 Hello, my friend has a problem with his n900. If he has sms chat open, but display off his phone will not give any notification of received sms to that chat. Sep 06 18:03:13 No sms ring tone, flashing led or vibration. Sep 06 18:03:36 Has anyone else had this problem? Sep 06 18:04:11 seems likely to be by design Sep 06 18:04:37 mmm try call notifier app Sep 06 18:08:06 lolloo you mean this? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48501 Sep 06 18:08:27 or is there another app Sep 06 18:09:33 yes this one Sep 06 18:10:28 i have no idea why but modest will no longer work with zimbra imap Sep 06 18:10:32 lolloo ok thanks. Sep 06 18:10:33 any other client works Sep 06 18:10:55 it will download the email lists from the imap but when trying to open an email it just kind of tries to open it then goes back to the email list screen Sep 06 18:10:59 mece: (gone, bah) http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Keyboard_characters Sep 06 18:13:23 Macer: dunno if notifier app will help, but likely it's a design flaw of conversations app Sep 06 18:14:01 Macer: also a known issue, though I don't know if there's a ticket for it yet Sep 06 18:14:34 Macer, happens to me sometimes, I clear modest's cache and it works again Sep 06 18:14:43 err, sorry ->arggu Sep 06 18:15:37 * DocScrutinizer hates drive-by askers Sep 06 18:15:50 MohammadAG: hm. where does it store the cache? in ~/.modest? Sep 06 18:16:09 yes, you might lose some settings :P Sep 06 18:16:17 the word some is probably an understatement here Sep 06 18:16:17 xD Sep 06 18:16:50 nope Sep 06 18:17:00 it doesn't seem to even want to refresh the imap acct Sep 06 18:17:54 was working fine with modest until i updated zimbra. but it is still odd that all other clients work with it EXCEPT modest :) Sep 06 18:18:01 even the android email app works fine with it Sep 06 18:18:17 modest is the only one that isn't playing nice with zimbra Sep 06 18:18:49 is there anywhere else modest keeps stuff? Sep 06 18:20:19 there's a clear cache option in the modest menus, iirc Sep 06 18:20:40 is there a verbose flag for running it from a term? Sep 06 18:22:29 DocScrutinizer but How it can be a design flaw because it works on my n900 Sep 06 18:23:25 nope. still fail Sep 06 18:23:33 although i'm a little confused as to me rm -rf .modest Sep 06 18:23:38 and i still have settings at all :) Sep 06 18:23:46 what is a good price for a second hand n900 these days? Sep 06 18:24:02 keesj: about $200 with a new contract from any carrier to get a good android phone Sep 06 18:24:05 * Macer grins Sep 06 18:24:10 moin Sep 06 18:25:30 blah. of course modest has to be the only damn email client that doesn't work .. go figure Sep 06 18:25:35 the ONLY one i WANT to work :) Sep 06 18:25:48 Khertan_, ping Sep 06 18:25:50 is there some other email client i can get for maemo that is integrated? Sep 06 18:25:59 or that can be integrated? Sep 06 18:26:17 nope Sep 06 18:26:21 awesome Sep 06 18:26:36 * ShadowJK used tcpdump to figure out what was wrong with his modest Sep 06 18:27:00 ShadowJK: you are using a zimbra server too? Sep 06 18:27:22 wtf. i rm -rf .modest and i stil have settings Sep 06 18:27:40 gconf :P Sep 06 18:27:53 or .config/modest Sep 06 18:28:04 apt-get remove modest Sep 06 18:28:05 there isn't a .config/modest Sep 06 18:28:20 gconf-crap Sep 06 18:28:23 Macer, no I use dovecot Sep 06 18:28:27 maybe Sep 06 18:28:37 guys is there an easy way to return to stock settings for cpu ? Sep 06 18:28:39 SpeedEvil, that fixes half the problem and creates another half Sep 06 18:28:58 Chibi-Taiga: reflash Sep 06 18:29:04 maybe you need to kill modest first Sep 06 18:29:11 it's left running after you close it Sep 06 18:29:40 ARGH Sep 06 18:30:05 and odds are it even writes back config on regular quit :-P Sep 06 18:30:09 Chibi-Taiga, uhh, reflash stock kernel Sep 06 18:30:12 i want to get a G2 but i don't think i can take this n900 anymore Sep 06 18:30:29 i try Sep 06 18:30:34 but it doent work Sep 06 18:30:55 http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7388/screenshot2010090620215.png http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8855/screenshot2010090620214.png Sep 06 18:31:07 is what it says but no changes Sep 06 18:31:17 is there symbian for n900? Sep 06 18:31:21 no Sep 06 18:31:26 when use this apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher Sep 06 18:31:38 Well you could try install it, I suppose, but then you'd have like 0 apps Sep 06 18:31:50 and probably not all the hw drivers needed to talk to stuff liek modem Sep 06 18:31:50 haha Sep 06 18:31:53 ~flashing Sep 06 18:31:53 [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 06 18:32:02 I don't see a reason Symbian^3 can't be ported Sep 06 18:32:10 other than being pointless Sep 06 18:32:22 Chibi-Taiga: That's a know problem - probably libsdl-ttf Sep 06 18:32:24 * ShadowJK nods Sep 06 18:32:31 i was hoping maybe since it was nokia's official OS that they might have had that going on or something Sep 06 18:32:37 "avoid-frequencies" was misspelled btw Sep 06 18:32:47 i see Sep 06 18:32:49 not that I know what putting "echo" inside it would doo Sep 06 18:33:08 Macer, on the other hand they've shown videos of symbian on atom Sep 06 18:33:09 Chibi-Taiga: I had to remove som games because of it. Sep 06 18:33:21 well i dont know what to remove Sep 06 18:33:31 i can uninstall everything again Sep 06 18:33:31 ~flashing Sep 06 18:33:32 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 06 18:33:37 ShadowJK: right about now i'd take anything other than maemo as long as the modem worked Sep 06 18:33:46 i hope nitdroid puts the modem stuff in their next release Sep 06 18:33:46 remove freeciv Sep 06 18:34:02 I think you're in the wrong channel then :) Sep 06 18:34:06 Macer: It's the plan atleast Sep 06 18:35:01 Macer: get a decent android phone? Sep 06 18:35:39 sigh this i wont do, last time when i changed libusb i had to format my pc since usb wont work so cant use kb/mouse Sep 06 18:35:42 I mean, that's about as silly as it can get - get a N900 and seek for nitdroid Sep 06 18:35:47 DocScrutinizer: yeah. i'm looking at them now Sep 06 18:36:52 ohwell guess i should use my portable charger now, since its idling at 500-700mhz Sep 06 18:36:53 DocScrutinizer: well. i would stick with maemo if it was realistically going to be around in another year or so but that cow is dead Sep 06 18:36:56 moo Sep 06 18:37:00 * DocScrutinizer stares at Chibi-Taiga Sep 06 18:37:20 i suppose it will be around in a "well.. this is all i have to work with" kind of way with internet tablets Sep 06 18:38:02 would it work if i use nsu 3 ? Sep 06 18:38:31 would it be stock again ? Sep 06 18:39:00 Macer: tell me why is that all dudes turning away from maemo for debatable reasons have the stong urge to let whole maemo community know about it? Sep 06 18:39:43 Chibi-Taiga: REFLASH!!! Sep 06 18:39:46 ~flashing Sep 06 18:39:47 well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 06 18:39:48 * MohammadAG would bang head on keyboard, but the laptop's new Sep 06 18:40:07 guess i try it with nsu Sep 06 18:40:26 I guess I try it with +q Sep 06 18:41:14 debatable? :) i don't know. maybe to lure devs away from a dying os so they can work on one that might be around later.. but then again.. judging by what nokia did to maemo you never know what may be next ;) Sep 06 18:41:52 hm. they don't seem to make newer android phones with hw qwerty :/ Sep 06 18:42:23 _Lucretia_: I'm not sure on the 4.4 -> 4.5 changes; ABI also broke from 4.3 -> 4.4 Sep 06 18:42:25 when I installed chroot, where was the command chroot installed? Not in /sbin I believe ? Sep 06 18:43:33 `which chroot` helps Sep 06 18:44:03 thanks DocScrutinizer Sep 06 18:44:43 I'm starting to build up a mood that's not adequate for participating in this chan... So o/ Sep 06 18:45:10 take it easy mate :) Sep 06 18:45:41 Macer, MeeGo? Sep 06 18:47:01 <_Lucretia_> luke-jr: the abi thing tho, was an error and was fixable or was it done on purpose? Sep 06 18:47:17 * DocScrutinizer switches the anti-t.m.o MTHELs to automatic mode, and leaves, mumbling weird stuff Sep 06 18:47:17 _Lucretia_: neither Sep 06 18:47:34 <_Lucretia_> eh? Sep 06 18:47:36 _Lucretia_: well, either intentional or acceptable Sep 06 18:47:45 might have been a "oh, that broke compat… oh well" Sep 06 18:48:45 <_Lucretia_> luke-jr: I'll look into it Sep 06 18:48:58 <_Lucretia_> luke-jr: do you know why I can't log into my n900 from mad? Sep 06 18:49:03 <_Lucretia_> password just fails Sep 06 18:49:05 _Lucretia_: no idea what mad is Sep 06 18:49:09 <_Lucretia_> madde Sep 06 18:49:20 still Sep 06 18:49:49 <_Lucretia_> k Sep 06 18:50:02 * _Lucretia_ gave up on scratchbox and is trying madde instead Sep 06 18:50:22 _Lucretia_: http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.4/changes.html Sep 06 18:50:25 * luke-jr is forbidden to tell what he uses. Sep 06 18:50:41 _Lucretia_: Packed bit-fields of type char were not properly bit-packed on many targets prior to GCC 4.4. On these targets, the fix in GCC 4.4 causes an ABI change. Sep 06 18:50:43 <_Lucretia_> luke-jr: cant be any worse than sb or buildroot Sep 06 18:51:03 _Lucretia_: what aare you trying to do? Sep 06 18:51:04 _Lucretia_: no, probably better. but DocScrutinizer insists it is off-topic and unwelcome here. Sep 06 18:51:12 Need some advice on installing one ap on n900. Anyone? Sep 06 18:51:26 _Lucretia_: if you're interested anyway, feel free to PM Sep 06 18:51:43 bobb: i advice avoiding installing it Sep 06 18:51:51 <_Lucretia_> slonopotamus: and there will not be a 4.4 build of the fw for n900? Sep 06 18:52:07 _Lucretia_: almost certainly not. that would break ABI :p Sep 06 18:52:09 <_Lucretia_> jpinxN900chroot2: in what respect? general dev or madde? Sep 06 18:52:09 _Lucretia_: maemo is abandoned, isn't it? Sep 06 18:52:59 <_Lucretia_> dunno Sep 06 18:53:03 (well, maybe there'll be pr1.3 with minor fixes, but i don't believe any more updates will happen) Sep 06 18:53:12 <_Lucretia_> most likely, nokia tend to create something then abandon it straight away Sep 06 18:53:34 <_Lucretia_> slonopotamus: that is very annoying Sep 06 18:53:38 http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/buscatcher-never_miss_another_tram/ Sep 06 18:53:46 _Lucretia_: that's nokia way Sep 06 18:53:49 <_Lucretia_> especially after spending £400 on the thing Sep 06 18:53:52 so nokia dropped the maemo project ? Sep 06 18:54:13 last time i readed something that nokia want all its new deviced in maemo platform Sep 06 18:54:31 Chibi-Taiga: officially, not yet (though they stopped developing hildon) Sep 06 18:54:48 i see Sep 06 18:55:00 Chibi-Taiga: uh, where'd you read that myth? Sep 06 18:55:14 so much crap talked Sep 06 18:55:15 <_Lucretia_> jpinxN900chroot2: My aim is to get a full ARM port of the GNAT compiler and wanted to use the latest version, oh well Sep 06 18:55:15 ways back Sep 06 18:55:23 Chibi-Taiga: the closest thing I've heard from Nokia is that Symbian is their phone platform Sep 06 18:55:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c 0:55 - all I can say Sep 06 18:55:42 nokia wanted to o completly over to maemo t Sep 06 18:55:44 ive readed Sep 06 18:55:55 Chibi-Taiga: that's outdated info :) Sep 06 18:55:55 anybody want to buy my n900.. i'm going to switch to verizon and get an android phone in a couple of days so if anybody here is looking for one just let me know Sep 06 18:56:26 Chibi-Taiga: current thing is meego (though it doesn't support lots of stuff yet) Sep 06 18:56:28 symbian seems the be most populair os for smartphones Sep 06 18:56:37 no it does Sep 06 18:56:39 <_Lucretia_> symbian really is shit tho Sep 06 18:56:44 just need to code it yourself Sep 06 18:56:59 linux is same as windows 2000nt Sep 06 18:57:06 all manual instalation and coding Sep 06 18:57:26 <_Lucretia_> does piss me off that we get fuck all from nokia, we give em £400-500 for this thing and then they say, fuck off Sep 06 18:57:39 fud. all of it Sep 06 18:57:42 <_Lucretia_> I wasn't going to buy an n900 either, I was talked into it Sep 06 18:57:51 nokia never told me to fuck off Sep 06 18:57:54 ? Sep 06 18:57:58 _Lucretia_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c 0:55 Sep 06 18:57:59 _Lucretia_: you wasn't forced to buy n900 Sep 06 18:58:01 someone adviced me n900 Sep 06 18:58:32 DocScrutinizer: :( This video contains content from Turner EU, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds Sep 06 18:58:40 but he was a linux user so he knows his ways Sep 06 18:58:54 ROFL @ DocScrutinizer Sep 06 18:59:21 Chibi-Taiga: please stop talking crap Sep 06 18:59:43 Chibi-Taiga: Nxxx are good until they're abandoned (what happens < 2 years after inception) Sep 06 18:59:47 jpinxN900chroot2: he won't - I asked several times Sep 06 18:59:58 <_Lucretia_> Appiah: not directly, but by releasing something then dropping it after people pay (a lot of money for it), that's tantamount to saying "fuck off" Sep 06 19:00:29 dropping it? Sep 06 19:00:29 what the support is dropped? Sep 06 19:00:37 WHO? DROPPED? WHAT? Sep 06 19:00:40 i see Sep 06 19:00:44 <_Lucretia_> potatoes Sep 06 19:00:45 <_Lucretia_> anyway Sep 06 19:00:46 I dropped my lenses! Sep 06 19:00:46 please show me the source of this information _Lucretia_ Sep 06 19:00:55 <_Lucretia_> can anyone help me with this madde thing? Sep 06 19:00:55 I dont belive nokia would drop the support Sep 06 19:00:55 i should realy gone off samsung android Sep 06 19:01:09 <_Lucretia_> Appiah: just what I keep hearing in places like this Sep 06 19:01:25 well they have not :D Sep 06 19:01:36 DocScrutinizer: nokia stopped _any_ hildon development. that is called "drop support" Sep 06 19:01:58 <_Lucretia_> Appiah: and this -> (well, maybe there'll be pr1.3 with minor fixes, but i don't believe any more updates will happen) Sep 06 19:02:08 that's what is called "mission accomplished" in my book Sep 06 19:02:10 Chibi-Taiga, #android Sep 06 19:02:11 <_Lucretia_> Appiah: and what slonopotamus just said Sep 06 19:02:12 _Lucretia_: that does not mean end of support Sep 06 19:02:21 but what would be best os for phones these time ? Sep 06 19:02:28 _Lucretia_: if you are a dev, you should know better than to spread cruft like that Sep 06 19:02:30 <_Lucretia_> Appiah: does mean dead project tho Sep 06 19:02:40 means they move on.. Sep 06 19:02:46 slonopotamus, nahh Sep 06 19:02:47 <_Lucretia_> too quickly Sep 06 19:02:47 just like must OSs do Sep 06 19:02:51 <_Lucretia_> can anyone help me with this madde thing? Sep 06 19:02:56 slonopotamus: no, thats called stopping development Sep 06 19:02:56 who are you to decide the lifecycle? Sep 06 19:03:05 <_Lucretia_> the end user Sep 06 19:03:17 <_Lucretia_> anyways Sep 06 19:03:23 that'll be enough of the flaming guys Sep 06 19:03:25 lpotter: "any development" includes bugfixes reported by users Sep 06 19:03:25 <_Lucretia_> I just need help with -> can anyone help me with this madde thing? Sep 06 19:03:25 o2 pretty much scewed me out of 20gbp Sep 06 19:03:35 _Lucretia_: So your device is unusable the minute development stops? :) Sep 06 19:03:36 wonder if i can get $200 for this n900 Sep 06 19:03:44 i bet i can easily ebay it to some sucker for that much :) Sep 06 19:03:48 sigh, go watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c 0:55 another few times, it's (for) *you* Sep 06 19:03:51 and they can't even spell company right... Sep 06 19:03:59 lpotter: if user reports a bug against hildon and doesn't get it fixed, it effectively means he has no support Sep 06 19:04:08 slonopotamus, ahh Sep 06 19:04:16 andre__: it's your last day? Sep 06 19:04:18 you mean like the one madam fixed after his little posting Sep 06 19:04:29 yes, i understand Sep 06 19:04:29 Anyway, the n900 may have the longest support ever with meego on it. Sep 06 19:04:56 DocScrutinizer, when will you start kicking? Sep 06 19:04:57 lcuk: i don't parse your random sounds :) Sep 06 19:05:03 <_Lucretia_> X-Fade: and I saw a post today that mentioned it's likely it won't be an official image anyway Sep 06 19:05:12 slonopotamus, you don't have to. madam said hildon was free Sep 06 19:05:27 _Lucretia_: Well, current development images published already look very promising. Sep 06 19:05:33 Disgruntled consumers (yes, you do have a right to be) should take their complaints to Nokia (doesn't) Care. Sep 06 19:05:34 its a solid reliable desktop Sep 06 19:05:48 lcuk: yeah, but the point is that _nokia_ doesn't support it anymore Sep 06 19:05:53 _Lucretia_: you have probably talked your way out of any possibility of help in here Sep 06 19:05:58 MNZ: not long until I either start shouting and kicking, or rather should really go for a walk, and hope the whining mood here will go away until I return Sep 06 19:06:01 The phone number will be listed on your country's Nokia site. Sep 06 19:06:09 slonopotamus, strange Sep 06 19:06:13 do you have a problem with it Sep 06 19:06:13 crashanddie, is it? Sep 06 19:06:18 if so, wheres the bug Sep 06 19:06:20 <_Lucretia_> jpinx-eeepc: why's that? because I had an opinion? I wasn't getting any anyway Sep 06 19:06:36 and have you contacted nokia support about it? Sep 06 19:06:39 crashanddie, are you confusing Karsten with Andre? Sep 06 19:06:41 to ask Sep 06 19:06:53 if not, how do you know its not supported? Sep 06 19:07:25 Now, this isn't to say that contacting Care wont be painful as hell, but it's better thanm shouting into the ether here. Sep 06 19:07:35 lcuk: you want to say there are no open bugreports in bugzilla against hildon? Sep 06 19:07:47 slonopotamus, i want you to ask nokia support directly Sep 06 19:07:51 if you have a problem Sep 06 19:08:15 GAN900, andre__: apologies, my email ticker showed me an email from Andre quoting Karsten... without indicating it was a quote Sep 06 19:08:20 this channel is not a support mechanism Sep 06 19:08:37 crashanddie: in that case I am sorry too, as you've not gotten rid off me yet in maemo ;-)) Sep 06 19:08:59 andre__: well, that's the whole point, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO GO Sep 06 19:09:13 I was nearly shellshocked, "ANOTHER ONE LEAVING????? OMGeleven!!!" Sep 06 19:09:22 crashanddie: now that makes things more complicated. Sep 06 19:09:39 lol, I'm kicking off "caps alerts" against myself Sep 06 19:10:50 crashanddie: I don't plan to leave currently. However I've got my personal expectations towards Nokia with deadlines included that I communicate to them, as it seems that they learn too slowly from their mistakes. Sep 06 19:10:51 crashanddie: now you have to kick'n'ban yourself Sep 06 19:10:51 crashanddie: We can't have andre__ leave, he is worth his weight in gold. (well not if he has a big mean, but normally yes ;) Sep 06 19:11:03 s/mean/meal/ Sep 06 19:11:04 X-Fade meant: crashanddie: We can't have andre__ leave, he is worth his weight in gold. (well not if he has a big meal, but normally yes ;) Sep 06 19:11:23 X-Fade: I know I have to lose weight (my g/f says the same), but thanks for the nice way you chose to express it ;-) Sep 06 19:11:51 andre__: Hehe no problem ;) Sep 06 19:12:40 Unrar add-on for the file manager, for those lazy to use the CLI :P http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=808840#post808840 Sep 06 19:13:08 MohammadAG: available in extras*? Sep 06 19:13:21 (maybe i'm too lazy) :D Sep 06 19:13:31 extras-devel Sep 06 19:13:39 cool Sep 06 19:13:45 +1 for you then :) Sep 06 19:14:38 slonopotamus, addendum, if you do find and fix a bug in hildon, submit a merge request to gitorious and see if it gets accepted :) Sep 06 19:14:56 is there a maemo 6 SDK ? Sep 06 19:15:25 :)) Sep 06 19:15:59 http://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux Sep 06 19:18:00 meh Sep 06 19:18:32 so there will be official support for meego on n900? Sep 06 19:18:52 nobody knows, neither does Nokia Sep 06 19:19:13 ok :) Sep 06 19:19:47 No, not official .. Sep 06 19:33:12 btw is there any way to make folders to drop the apps like on smartphones? Sep 06 19:33:17 i mean menus Sep 06 19:35:09 wut? Sep 06 19:35:29 you can uninstall applications yes, if that was what you asked Sep 06 19:36:00 no i wanna make menus like " internet applications in menu internet" Sep 06 19:36:02 smartphones? are they available yet? Sep 06 19:36:10 ah, categories Sep 06 19:36:27 yea Sep 06 19:36:32 http://maemo.org/packages/view/catorise/ Sep 06 19:36:58 is it safe ? Sep 06 19:37:07 djszapi / nox-, no, no there wont be. Sep 06 19:37:10 screw catorize Sep 06 19:37:13 1st time i tryed mymeny my whole menu was gone Sep 06 19:37:30 apmefo ftw Sep 06 19:37:32 ok Sep 06 19:38:03 Ev'ning Sep 06 19:38:03 Chibi-Taiga: look for app called apmefo Sep 06 19:38:03 andre: i was told by o2 that my n900 being a smartphone wasn't in the same class as the iphone Sep 06 19:38:15 I hate flights which afre delayed. Sep 06 19:38:16 ok i do Sep 06 19:38:28 jaffa: geoping Sep 06 19:38:44 especially when your phone battery starts dying. When your phone is an N900, that doesn't take that lokng Sep 06 19:39:04 not when you're using it heavily Sep 06 19:39:09 * timeless only has one n900 for a month Sep 06 19:39:11 timeless: LHR (heading to Stockholm) Sep 06 19:39:19 jaffa: darn Sep 06 19:39:21 the radios eat power like candy Sep 06 19:39:27 i'm downtown Sep 06 19:39:41 lo Jaffa_ Sep 06 19:39:49 had i stayed at a cheap hotel i could have tried to meet you at the airport Sep 06 19:39:53 ml-mobile: No shit. Sep 06 19:40:05 I think the battery scale is geometric. Sep 06 19:40:09 although i suspect that'd cost you two passport stamps Sep 06 19:40:18 Going from half to dead takes no time at all. Sep 06 19:40:35 gan: it isn't linear Sep 06 19:40:46 my impression is that this is fairly common Sep 06 19:41:44 * Jaffa_ belatedly pongs dneary (tho' he's not here) Sep 06 19:42:17 Hmm, why am I underscroed. Sep 06 19:42:24 s/roe/ore/ Sep 06 19:42:24 Jaffa_ meant: Hmm, why am I underscored. Sep 06 19:53:51 timeless: around? Sep 06 19:59:57 bobb, why would you ask that sort of question in a private message window? Sep 06 20:01:44 it says on the page he doesnt want to push to extras atm Sep 06 20:01:49 ie, ask him directly Sep 06 20:01:51 :P Sep 06 20:04:59 Hi! My last test shows, that twofish-cbc-essiv 256bit is as fast as aes-cbc-essiv 128bit WITH hw accel on the N900. :-D Sep 06 20:05:11 Woo! Sep 06 20:05:18 Or not. Sep 06 20:05:29 Do you happen to recall what the fastest hashing speed you've seen is? Sep 06 20:05:32 I would like ssh to my phone without password so I did it this manual http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41547 but I got this error http://codepad.org/Vs2MjCzP Sep 06 20:05:33 maybe this is, because aes was optimized for x86 Sep 06 20:06:06 hmm.. that worked for me at least. Sep 06 20:06:36 mece: this how to ? Sep 06 20:06:51 yeah Sep 06 20:07:02 well I think it was that one. Sep 06 20:07:23 a different things I saw was in /etc/passwd Sep 06 20:07:42 blowfish was faster on all other architectures than x86... I don't know how much twofish builds on blowfish, but this is interesting... But could still be that the hw accel. driver is not working properly. Sep 06 20:07:48 humm hey guys what was that unzipper called earlyer linked to me Sep 06 20:08:03 in this how to it was user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh but mine was user:wN1DAS0Mqp3vE:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh Sep 06 20:08:47 mintux1: you need to check etc/passwd and the perms of your home, .ssh, and .ssh/* Sep 06 20:09:19 DocScrutinizer51: what should I check ? what looks for ? in /etc/passwd Sep 06 20:09:34 user:!: won't work Sep 06 20:10:23 your home and ssh dir mustn't be readable for others Sep 06 20:11:52 DocScrutinizer51: in /etc/passwd is user:*: Sep 06 20:12:05 that's ok afaik Sep 06 20:12:50 DocScrutinizer51: .ssh dir per is drwx------ Sep 06 20:13:19 DocScrutinizer51: and auth..._keys is -rw------- Sep 06 20:14:42 SpeedEvil: without encryption 16,1MB/s, aes-128 5,7MB/s, aes-128 hw accel 7,9MB/s, aes-256 4,4MB/s, aes-256 hw accel 6,6MB/s, blowfish-256 7,6MB/s, blowfish-320 7,6MB/s, twofish-256 7,9MB/s Sep 06 20:15:39 SpeedEvil: gdd bs=1M count=100 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mapper/swap Sep 06 20:16:41 mintux1: and ~/. Sep 06 20:16:48 3 times, calculated the average Sep 06 20:17:25 DocScrutinizer i cant find that ApMeFo to download Sep 06 20:18:10 Chibi-Taiga, apt-get install apmefo Sep 06 20:18:47 MNZ: wtf? why not use ham? Sep 06 20:18:51 DocScrutinizer: drwxr_xr_x Sep 06 20:18:57 cant find package Sep 06 20:19:04 so it says Sep 06 20:19:10 chmod go-a ~/. Sep 06 20:19:27 DocScrutinizer, if he was using HAM he would have found it, I was assuming he didn't find it because he was trying "ApMeFo" with apt-get Sep 06 20:19:38 and extras devil dont work Sep 06 20:19:46 mintux1: or chmod 700 ~/. Sep 06 20:21:10 DocScrutinizer: got same error.it my log http://codepad.org/eUyJWFng Sep 06 20:22:14 Chibi-Taiga, apmefo is on extras-devel, not extras-devil. Sep 06 20:22:23 so anyone has the deb file or install ? Sep 06 20:22:32 is what i mean Sep 06 20:22:39 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/apmefo/0.9-6/ http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/a/apmefo/apmefo_0.9-6_all.deb Sep 06 20:22:45 i downloaded an install file for that devel Sep 06 20:22:50 operation failed Sep 06 20:23:20 mintux1: .ssh/authorized_keys isn't an important file Sep 06 20:23:37 crashanddie: I copy content on it Sep 06 20:23:48 http://my-maemo.com/faq/showquestion.php?faq=4&fldAuto=16 used those files Sep 06 20:23:50 mintux1: well, yeah, but other than that it's moot Sep 06 20:23:53 but the devel dont work Sep 06 20:24:01 crashanddie: so what shall I do now ? Sep 06 20:24:01 crashanddie: huh? Sep 06 20:24:09 mintux1: the problem from that log you've shown is the fact it can't read your private key Sep 06 20:24:29 wait, now crashanddie comes with his /etc/based ssh config Sep 06 20:24:45 not at all Sep 06 20:24:58 I'm just looking at that log file, and seeing a bunch of errors about whitespaces Sep 06 20:24:58 crashanddie: means I should create keys again and copy on it ? Sep 06 20:25:12 which tells me that your id_rsa file is buggered Sep 06 20:25:52 tobis87: what about cpu usage? Sep 06 20:25:55 authorized_keys is a directory or file ? Sep 06 20:26:05 file Sep 06 20:26:17 debug3: Not a RSA1 key file /home/mrg/.ssh/id_rsa. Sep 06 20:26:46 so I copy contents of id_rsa.pub into authorized_keys Sep 06 20:26:47 more importantly: Sep 06 20:26:47 debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----END' Sep 06 20:26:47 debug3: key_read: missing keytype Sep 06 20:27:01 I copied Sep 06 20:27:10 mintux1: yeah, cp .ssh/id_rsa.pub .ssh/authorized_keys Sep 06 20:27:14 I did everything wrote in that how to Sep 06 20:27:26 ok, last question Sep 06 20:27:33 crashanddie: I did it before Sep 06 20:27:42 tobis87: I note time dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=102400|md5sum - Sep 06 20:27:42 real 0m 3.49s Sep 06 20:28:02 well, I'm guessing that you have the wrong keys on the wrong machine Sep 06 20:28:07 kerio: I didn't had any other program running than xterm, so I assume the fastes is the one with the most bytes per cycles. Sep 06 20:28:20 mintux1: aiui your local .ssh/id_rsa is borked Sep 06 20:28:22 mintux1: you're trying to connect to your n900 over ssh with public keys, correct? Sep 06 20:28:35 crashanddie: I did this steps: first remove both .ssh dir on my pc and phone. then I did that manual Sep 06 20:28:47 crashanddie: yes Sep 06 20:28:50 "that" means nothing to me Sep 06 20:29:04 OK, I'll be your manual from now on Sep 06 20:29:15 thanks Sep 06 20:29:18 rm -rf ~/.ssh on both computer and n900 Sep 06 20:29:27 yikes Sep 06 20:29:33 SpeedEvil: is the speed calculation from gdd not correct? why md5sum? Sep 06 20:29:38 suggest that to me, dude :-P Sep 06 20:30:04 crashanddie: done Sep 06 20:30:14 mintux1: on the computer: ssh-keygen Sep 06 20:30:23 tobis87: It's the only hashing function I'm aware of on the n900 by default Sep 06 20:30:26 (use a passphrase, it's safer) Sep 06 20:30:42 empty or not? Sep 06 20:30:48 ... Sep 06 20:30:55 SpeedEvil: Yes, I have compiled rmd256... and used this for the tests Sep 06 20:30:58 Actually - no - sha1sum is there too Sep 06 20:31:06 I used passphrase Sep 06 20:31:08 then Sep 06 20:31:29 ok, on your n900: mkdir ~/.ssh Sep 06 20:31:37 md5sum goes at 30M/s, sha1 at 13.7 Sep 06 20:31:41 now im in Enter same passphrase again: what should I enter? Sep 06 20:32:09 SpeedEvil: does md5sum use the kernel modules, or a userspace implementation? Sep 06 20:32:12 ok I made .ssh Sep 06 20:32:17 tobis87: Oh. Sep 06 20:32:44 tobis87: and : gdd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=102400|gmd5sum - Sep 06 20:32:44 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 2.24353 s, 46.7 MB/s Sep 06 20:32:57 good evening guys Sep 06 20:33:03 &girls (if any) Sep 06 20:33:08 crashanddie: then ? Sep 06 20:33:16 With gsha1 being 21M/s Sep 06 20:33:32 mintux1: chmod 711 .ssh Sep 06 20:33:45 (from memory, not sure of that one) Sep 06 20:34:02 done Sep 06 20:34:10 morning guys Sep 06 20:34:23 on your computer scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub user@IPofyourN900:.ssh/ Sep 06 20:34:27 on n900 chmod 711 .ssh done Sep 06 20:34:27 711? Sep 06 20:34:28 tobis87: I would assume userspace. Sep 06 20:34:32 not 700? Sep 06 20:34:47 DocScrutinizer: no, sshd needs to be able to enter it to read the authorized_keys file Sep 06 20:34:54 ooh Sep 06 20:35:16 1 is x on directory (traverse) Sep 06 20:35:17 so i see the hw crypto is not much better than the sw crypto Sep 06 20:36:02 crashanddie: I could not ssh http://codepad.org/71Tylb55 Sep 06 20:36:04 kerio: This is hashing speed. Sep 06 20:36:19 yeah, whatever Sep 06 20:36:19 kerio: Also - trhe power usage may be different Sep 06 20:36:23 ooh good point Sep 06 20:36:31 afetr that manual I can not ssh to my phone Sep 06 20:36:43 maybe I should change something in sshd_config Sep 06 20:36:50 mintux1: not really Sep 06 20:36:57 SpeedEvil: So the gnu program is faster... Anyway using sha1 is unsafe. There aren't many hash functions which are safe and fast. Whirlpool might be safe, but hell slow... The sha-2 group is only a matter of time to become broken, I would recommend rmd -> http://homes.esat.kuleuven.be/~bosselae/ripemd160.html Sep 06 20:36:59 PasswordAuthentication no Sep 06 20:37:01 mintux1: just get your id_rsa.pub file on there some other way Sep 06 20:37:16 send per email :-P Sep 06 20:37:18 crashanddie: I did in ssh_config PasswordAuthentication no Sep 06 20:37:25 return it ? Sep 06 20:37:31 could help Sep 06 20:37:34 sorry, did not compute. Sep 06 20:37:41 but yeah, set it to yes for a second Sep 06 20:37:48 you'll have to create a password for the user account though Sep 06 20:37:49 tobis87: Sure. Sep 06 20:37:57 tobis87: It's interesting for some cases. Sep 06 20:38:08 I guess he already has Sep 06 20:38:13 kerio: it is faster, but only for aes... twofish is as fast as the hw version of aes Sep 06 20:38:19 tobis87: sha1 isn't safe? Sep 06 20:38:43 in this how to it was user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh but mine was user:wN1DAS0Mqp3vE:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh Sep 06 20:38:43 tobis87: For example - deciding if of all of the pages in RAM - any are identical Sep 06 20:38:48 but Sep 06 20:38:57 DocScrutinizer51: in /etc/passwd is user:*: Sep 06 20:39:00 crashanddie: I see password prompt but it doesn't accept my password Sep 06 20:39:44 mintux1: on the n900, root, then passwd user Sep 06 20:39:45 DocScrutinizer: I think it refer to that point. it doesn't accept my pasword my config is user:*:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh now Sep 06 20:39:56 ok Sep 06 20:40:04 mintux1: passwd user on N900 xterm Sep 06 20:40:20 DocScrutinizer: he has to root first, otherwise it asks for the current password Sep 06 20:40:31 yep Sep 06 20:40:43 that's why passwd user, not just passwd Sep 06 20:40:50 true Sep 06 20:41:11 done . but I got http://codepad.org/vkPBxgWa Sep 06 20:41:29 SpeedEvil: http://cryptome.org/sha1-attacks.htm Sep 06 20:42:09 mintux1: ls .ssh please Sep 06 20:42:11 mintux1: ls -l ~/.ssh Sep 06 20:42:23 even that Sep 06 20:42:52 it's wonderful I created ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub before . http://codepad.org/lAsDxFS9 Sep 06 20:43:27 I created again Sep 06 20:43:28 mintux1: were you root when you did ssh-keygen? Sep 06 20:43:37 lol Sep 06 20:43:42 ssh-keygen generates the id_rsa and id_rsa.pub files Sep 06 20:43:51 tobis87: For whch I utterly don't care about those attacks as long as sha1 is a valid hash function. I do not especially care about attacks on the hashing algorithm. Sep 06 20:43:52 it even sets the right permissions on .ssh and files inside it Sep 06 20:43:59 in the .ssh of *current user* Sep 06 20:44:05 in ~ . but I think something is wrong . I'll create it again Sep 06 20:44:23 now I have it Sep 06 20:44:29 :-) Sep 06 20:44:34 done Sep 06 20:44:39 id_rsa.pub 100% 397 0.4KB/s 00:00 Sep 06 20:44:47 good, now try to ssh Sep 06 20:44:58 woops, sorry Sep 06 20:44:59 eh? Sep 06 20:45:00 forgot one step Sep 06 20:45:16 mv rsa.pub hosts_allowed Sep 06 20:45:21 no Sep 06 20:45:39 mv ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub ~/.ssh/authorized_keys Sep 06 20:45:51 err, yes Sep 06 20:45:52 on the N900, AS USER Sep 06 20:45:55 not root Sep 06 20:45:58 pffty Sep 06 20:46:02 ssh-copy-id wfm Sep 06 20:46:10 luke-jr: ack Sep 06 20:46:38 luke-jr: well, that only works if password is allowed in the first place, which wasn't the case here :P Sep 06 20:47:08 I disconnected . please copy if you wrote anythings Sep 06 20:47:20 sorry Sep 06 20:47:39 mintux1: as user on n900: mv ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub ~/.ssh/authorized_keys Sep 06 20:47:50 ok Sep 06 20:48:15 done Sep 06 20:48:20 now it should work Sep 06 20:48:53 yeah Sep 06 20:48:56 that works Sep 06 20:49:02 it's great Sep 06 20:49:22 now I can continue writing my bash script Sep 06 20:49:35 crashanddie: DocScrutinizer: thanks so much Sep 06 20:49:47 my pleasure Sep 06 20:49:51 yw Sep 06 20:49:58 :) Sep 06 20:50:15 so that was the good deed for the day Sep 06 20:50:17 now I can go to bed Sep 06 20:50:34 mintux: keep your rsa_key and rsa_key.pub, you can use them everywhere and multiple times Sep 06 20:50:44 hmm Sep 06 20:50:53 and deactivate password login on n900 Sep 06 20:50:53 SpeedEvil: Yes, it won't be easy to replace it anyway, since it is used everywhere... But if you can choose, you should consider to not use it. Regarding OTP, i meant to use it to encrypt a harddisk would be unpractical. Of course you could use otp to encrypt the key which then unlocks the harddrive. But the harddrive itself wouldn't be otp encrypted, only the key is. Sep 06 20:50:55 excellent Sep 06 20:51:08 crashanddie: why deactivate? Sep 06 20:51:22 tobis87: which is what I explained last time Sep 06 20:51:27 tobis87: Or for some tasks, it's uninteresting - as I don't care if the encryption is any stronger than CRC32 Sep 06 20:51:27 it's on your discretion Sep 06 20:51:30 it works now without deactivate Sep 06 20:51:38 hmm ok thanks Sep 06 20:51:48 crc32 is awesome and inexpensive Sep 06 20:51:57 crashanddie: have good night Sep 06 20:51:58 mintux: just it's a security consideration to either keep passwd-auth or disable it Sep 06 20:52:10 ok Sep 06 20:52:49 DocScrutinizer: means . if ssh from another machine that config will loss ? Sep 06 20:52:49 any idea how many watts the N810 needs on AC? Sep 06 20:53:03 wondering if I can use a splitter to put N810 and MBP on a 100 watt power inverter.. Sep 06 20:53:12 what mbp? Sep 06 20:53:16 MacBook Pro Sep 06 20:53:20 duh Sep 06 20:53:22 mintux: nope Sep 06 20:53:26 what one? Sep 06 20:53:27 there's more than one MBP? Sep 06 20:53:35 there's like 25 different MBPs. Sep 06 20:53:37 i think the 13" have the smaller charger Sep 06 20:53:43 the 65W Sep 06 20:53:47 as opposed to the 85W Sep 06 20:53:53 how can I tell? Sep 06 20:53:59 it's written on the charger Sep 06 20:53:59 it just means whenever you want to establish ssh keys on any other machine, don't rerun ssh-keygen but just use the same files Sep 06 20:54:00 :) Sep 06 20:54:21 kerio: 60W mine says Sep 06 20:54:24 85W Sep 06 20:54:33 oh, it was 60 Sep 06 20:54:36 luke-jr: hmm Sep 06 20:54:43 that leaves you with 15W for the charger :| Sep 06 20:55:20 which is 3 amps at 5V, largely enough Sep 06 20:55:22 mintux: use ssh-copy-id to any machine, as suggested by luke-jr, or do same steps of scp and mv, but do NOT rerun ssh-keygen Sep 06 20:55:37 so how much does N810 need? Sep 06 20:55:45 DocScrutinizer: hmm Sep 06 20:55:48 does it make any difference if I intend my MBP to be powering my N900 btw? Sep 06 20:55:51 luke-jr: it's written on the charger Sep 06 20:55:55 luke-jr: do NOT rm -rf .ssh Sep 06 20:55:56 crashanddie: not mine Sep 06 20:56:01 luke-jr: nah Sep 06 20:56:08 err Sep 06 20:56:08 hmm, can MBP charge when it's asleep? :/ Sep 06 20:56:15 mintux: do NOT rm -rf .ssh Sep 06 20:56:15 luke-jr: not mine :( Sep 06 20:56:17 luke-jr: no Sep 06 20:56:25 it works for the fucking ipod, why doesn't it work for the n900 :( Sep 06 20:56:32 Is there a difference between bash and bash3 in the repos? Sep 06 20:56:33 DocScrutinizer: yeah ok . ill be careful Sep 06 20:56:44 luke-jr: the N900 thinks it is, because the mbp provides 5V, but there's some weird apple voodoo going on with the data wires Sep 06 20:56:45 anyway, keep in mind that your battery can probably output more W than the charger Sep 06 20:57:03 * luke-jr wonders if there's any possibility to have MBP power off its hard drive completely until I say otherwise Sep 06 20:57:07 i have a 85W charger but the battery could output 90W Sep 06 20:57:13 luke-jr: hmm Sep 06 20:57:16 hibernate? Sep 06 20:57:28 kerio: I have the 60W charger and 85W battery Sep 06 20:57:36 heh Sep 06 20:57:52 kerio: so when I'm running hardcore compilation or photo work, my battery drains even when on AC Sep 06 20:57:53 luke-jr: can't you charge the n8x0 with the mbp? Sep 06 20:57:58 kerio: err, no? Sep 06 20:58:10 why not? :o Sep 06 20:58:17 why not? Sep 06 20:58:18 luke-jr: N810 etc power converter charger needs some 5W MAX Sep 06 20:58:19 no power through usb? Sep 06 20:58:37 N8x0 doesn't charge via USB… Sep 06 20:59:04 sorry for not knowing the hardware of a tablet i don't have and i don't care about :< Sep 06 20:59:09 (my N8x0 doesn't charge period, though) Sep 06 20:59:17 luke-jr: sure you can: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/nokia-ca-100 Sep 06 20:59:21 it only runs with AC Sep 06 20:59:30 crashanddie: I'm not in Europe Sep 06 20:59:39 they sell it everywhere :D Sep 06 20:59:43 meh Sep 06 20:59:54 or ebay does Sep 06 21:00:08 I don't have time Sep 06 21:00:17 need it in under 24 hours Sep 06 21:00:31 the inverter will work doc sez Sep 06 21:00:48 yup Sep 06 21:01:28 cool Sep 06 21:01:40 assuming it does 100W as advertised… Sep 06 21:01:41 <.< Sep 06 21:01:52 hmm Sep 06 21:01:52 is there anything faster than X11vnc? Sep 06 21:01:52 like.. starting X remotely Sep 06 21:01:52 I want my N900's display on my laptop's screen Sep 06 21:01:53 tobis87: at some stage, we attempted to use smart-card provided certificates for hard drive encryption Sep 06 21:02:08 MohammadAG: no Sep 06 21:02:14 usually they do a bit more even than what's advertised, though only for a short while Sep 06 21:02:42 MohammadAG: X11 was compiled without TCP support :( Sep 06 21:02:45 tobis87: the main problem was that a/ you limit yourself to one single user b/ recovery is a lot more difficult, even with key escrow Sep 06 21:02:56 luke-jr: also your MBP charger won't take max all the time Sep 06 21:03:05 MohammadAG: buy a tv capture card Sep 06 21:03:09 :P Sep 06 21:03:24 tobis87: which is why it is now commonly accepted practice to use a proxy key that still enables admin/recovery. Sep 06 21:03:31 tobis87: and multiple users, too. Sep 06 21:05:07 kerio, AV sucks Sep 06 21:05:13 TV out that is Sep 06 21:05:26 crashanddie: sounds sensible Sep 06 21:05:39 worked nicely to watch inglorious basterds for me Sep 06 21:05:51 well, it's a shit movie Sep 06 21:05:54 so shit quality won't hurt it Sep 06 21:05:55 it's really not Sep 06 21:06:00 it totally is Sep 06 21:06:10 is not Sep 06 21:06:12 now half of america is going to think hitler died in a fire in paris Sep 06 21:06:20 lol Sep 06 21:06:28 crashanddie: so it's not a shit movie, it's a shit population Sep 06 21:06:30 #defocus Sep 06 21:07:14 meh, scratch that, me off for TV Sep 06 21:07:16 :-P Sep 06 21:07:17 it's still a shit movie that uses a tragic event and marginalises it Sep 06 21:07:41 crashanddie: eli roth killing a nazi with a baseball bat Sep 06 21:08:05 People will remember the 6 mass murdering jews, who beat the graphic shit out of poor nazis who were doing the ethical thing Sep 06 21:08:27 and by "people" you mean americans Sep 06 21:08:29 ("No, I shall not give up my intel so you can kill more of my friends, I will die before that") Sep 06 21:08:56 no, I mean any generation who hasn't passed age 20 when seeing this movie Sep 06 21:09:08 i still haven't passed age 20 Sep 06 21:09:11 and even then some Sep 06 21:09:39 It's as bad a movie as the passion of christ Sep 06 21:10:00 except that nazis are real Sep 06 21:10:25 not sure why you try to attribute a meaning to a movie by tarantino Sep 06 21:10:26 well, there is scientific proof that Jesus has lived. Whether he is or not the son of a god is up for debate Sep 06 21:11:07 let's just agree to disagree Sep 06 21:11:12 and leave it at that Sep 06 21:11:20 but... you're wrong! Sep 06 21:11:24 crashanddie: I don't have much knowledge regarding smartcards, but I hope the key server sits behind a DMZ. Latest thing I tried to do at home was a transparent firewall with layer 3 filtering, but I never had the time to do it properly. Sep 06 21:11:25 :( Sep 06 21:12:04 tobis87: what do you mean by key server? Sep 06 21:12:07 The certificate authority? Sep 06 21:12:16 Yes Sep 06 21:12:26 Well, the root CA is always heavily protected Sep 06 21:12:46 Root CA is usually just a hard drive in a safe Sep 06 21:12:52 Heh, the transitions between my apps' "themes" are gonna be awesome :D Sep 06 21:13:11 crashanddie: is it mirrored? Sep 06 21:13:14 * DocScrutinizer51 burps a shitty root CA Sep 06 21:13:26 kerio: it can, but isn't necessarily Sep 06 21:13:55 no, i mean, is there a way to find out if it was manipulated? Sep 06 21:14:03 oh, yeah Sep 06 21:14:10 you need n-of-m keys to open it Sep 06 21:14:25 for example, the DoD has a 16 of 128 keys policy Sep 06 21:14:26 the safe? Sep 06 21:14:43 meaning they need 16 smart cards of the 128 smart cards issued to open the private key of the root ca Sep 06 21:14:49 oh, i see Sep 06 21:15:00 and the keys are distributed to trusted people Sep 06 21:15:16 none of the people holding the smart cards know another one who holds the key, and none of them know the PIN of the card Sep 06 21:15:27 so effectively, they need 32 people available Sep 06 21:15:40 wait, everyone knows all the other PINs? Sep 06 21:15:44 nope Sep 06 21:16:04 one person only knows one PIN, but doesn't know who holds the smartcard Sep 06 21:16:09 damn, they're really overcomplicating it Sep 06 21:16:16 lol Sep 06 21:16:26 I think that's the whole point of the exercice :P Sep 06 21:16:56 kerio: I won't even begin to explain VeriSign's architecture... They have 3 root CAs... Sep 06 21:17:02 well, 3 public ones, at least Sep 06 21:17:05 crashanddie: Tell us, is DoD 5220.22-M safe, or do we need to use the Gutmann method (35 patterns) to wipe our harddrives. :-D Sep 06 21:17:19 no idea what you're talking about, lol Sep 06 21:17:35 crashanddie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutmann_method Sep 06 21:17:46 crashanddie: and every CA needs 512 of 4096 smart cards to open *and* a piece of data that's stored togheter the other two? Sep 06 21:18:00 kerio: nha, not that crazy, but still Sep 06 21:18:08 while in the middle of a pentagram made of blood Sep 06 21:18:26 in a full moon *and* a solstice Sep 06 21:18:35 and someone in the kitchen has to walk around an old citroen counter clockwise while painting himself with kitten blood Sep 06 21:19:23 those kittens are sacrificing themselves for our SSLed irc ;_; Sep 06 21:20:20 so... who are those 128 people? Sep 06 21:20:20 basically, what those protocols do is make it more likely for a technology-based attack than a methodology Sep 06 21:20:21 :) Sep 06 21:20:28 kerio: I have no idea Sep 06 21:20:42 kerio: I wasn't cleared for top secret with US intel Sep 06 21:21:55 I was vetted as SC in the UK Sep 06 21:22:06 though that's been withdrawn ever since I applied for the Australian Visa Sep 06 21:27:21 KaKaRoTo: you've been 1upped by a TI-84 Sep 06 21:27:23 crashanddie, SC == Sarcastic Cu?? Sep 06 21:27:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOSpCoCmOns Sep 06 21:27:30 remember that twilight zone episode "to serve man"? Sep 06 21:27:35 security clearence? Sep 06 21:27:45 lcuk: what kerio said Sep 06 21:27:52 clearance? Sep 06 21:27:53 * lcuk was pulling leg Sep 06 21:28:03 lcuk: pull *this* leg Sep 06 21:28:09 no ta Sep 06 21:28:19 "That's not a cu.." Sep 06 21:28:35 so this ps3 thing, are people raving because its finally got a game to play on it Sep 06 21:28:44 "i can unlock it" Sep 06 21:28:59 lcuk: nha, it's because they now can feel as poor as wii players Sep 06 21:29:07 lcuk: "ps3 has no gamez lolol" is not true anymore Sep 06 21:29:09 (who've had homebrew for ages) Sep 06 21:29:12 idk whats top game on the ps3? Sep 06 21:29:14 but of course, wii > ps3 Sep 06 21:29:20 lcuk: as of now... hmm Sep 06 21:29:26 maybe uncharted 2? Sep 06 21:29:29 as of ever Sep 06 21:29:31 killzone? Sep 06 21:29:37 and of course mgs4 Sep 06 21:29:43 * lcuk never heard of them Sep 06 21:29:44 little big planet? Sep 06 21:29:48 littlebigpl-dammit Sep 06 21:30:00 heavy rain? Sep 06 21:30:04 little bi gpl? Sep 06 21:30:11 * RST38h moos Sep 06 21:30:27 hey RST38h Sep 06 21:30:29 µ, RST38h Sep 06 21:30:54 lcuk: also this hack actually allows for true homebrews Sep 06 21:30:55 heya lcuk, how are things? Sep 06 21:31:11 kerio, i thought ps3 supported linux natively Sep 06 21:31:12 relatively cheap Cell Sep 06 21:31:15 RST38h, good i think Sep 06 21:31:15 lcuk: nope Sep 06 21:31:19 not since 1st april Sep 06 21:31:19 huh? Sep 06 21:31:27 firmware "upgrade" removed the Other OS function Sep 06 21:31:31 sony removed OtherOS feature Sep 06 21:31:38 that's what prompted this unlock Sep 06 21:31:38 you think? hmmm... Sep 06 21:32:04 RST38h, hammering liqflow inside livewp last couple of hours Sep 06 21:32:12 motorstorm? grand turismo? the elder scrolls? resistance 1 & 2? infamous? tekken 6? ratchet & clank? ninja gaiden? resident evil? god of war? street fighter? dead space? fallout? killzone, batman, bioshock, modern warfare... yeah, definitely no games available on PS3 Sep 06 21:32:26 at first glance it runs just as smoothly as normal Sep 06 21:32:29 but behind all the icon Sep 06 21:32:31 :) Sep 06 21:32:35 crashanddie: half of those are multiplatform Sep 06 21:32:38 * lcuk smiled broadly when i saw that Sep 06 21:33:12 well, the linux on ps3 was a dud anyway Sep 06 21:33:23 the 3 guys who used it must be disappointed, sure... Sep 06 21:33:23 lcuk: so it should yea Sep 06 21:33:35 kerio: well, the other half then :P Sep 06 21:33:42 hi Sep 06 21:34:21 i just try to install some of the maemo developer tools on my n900 Sep 06 21:34:33 RST38h, which side of the pond are you on atm? Sep 06 21:34:36 maemo has developer tools? Sep 06 21:34:50 some i can install, but with otheres, e.g. less, i get a warning cannot authenticate package Sep 06 21:35:07 johndo, auth warnings come based on repository Sep 06 21:35:09 from the fremantle/tools repository Sep 06 21:35:25 yes, but both packages are in the same repo Sep 06 21:35:31 and the n900 itself is geared up to expect authenticated repos and packages afaik Sep 06 21:35:41 its a warning.. Sep 06 21:35:45 not a blocker? Sep 06 21:35:56 but its on your head anyway :P Sep 06 21:36:01 MNZ: what's state of things with bi-quad filtering for hw EQ? Sep 06 21:36:01 yeah, but i'm somewhat hesitate to install unauth packages ;) Sep 06 21:36:04 lcuk: west side Sep 06 21:36:24 johndo: are you on a network you don't trust? Sep 06 21:36:30 johndo, so wait, you rooted your machine, connected it to the maemo.org official sdk repository and no others Sep 06 21:36:44 the same repo that everyone uses for their scratchbox Sep 06 21:36:45 and same files Sep 06 21:37:01 i just added the fremantle/tools repo Sep 06 21:37:07 haha Sep 06 21:37:11 breakage in sight Sep 06 21:37:12 other repos are default only Sep 06 21:37:35 johndo, ok, heres what you do Sep 06 21:38:17 You get an orangutan. I’m not talking a monkey or some dancing chimp BS, I mean a damn orangutan. Don’t ask me how you’re gonna get an orangutan that’s not my problem. Sep 06 21:38:48 thanks for the hint xd Sep 06 21:39:12 johndo, don't install the files if you don't trust them. simple as - follow the trail and trust your instinct Sep 06 21:39:29 i don't install them Sep 06 21:39:41 then sorted :P Sep 06 21:39:57 RST38h, are you there for long Sep 06 21:39:58 but what makes me curous is that i can install one package from a repository (like screen) , but not another (like less) Sep 06 21:40:04 * crashanddie throws a lucky strike to lcuk Sep 06 21:40:13 menthol? Sep 06 21:40:18 nope Sep 06 21:40:31 Original Reeeeeed... It's Toasted! Sep 06 21:40:35 blargh menthol Sep 06 21:40:51 lcuk: going back east side next week Sep 06 21:40:56 johndo, packages can be signed and unsigned and I believe its down to the uploader Sep 06 21:41:16 RST38h, are you enjoying your visit thusfar? Sep 06 21:41:22 * DocScrutinizer rolls up some decent netherlands tobacco Sep 06 21:41:42 oh, so the packages in the tools repo may not be signed? Sep 06 21:41:47 lcuk: It's ok Sep 06 21:41:48 i grought back a box of 100 finnish cigars once Sep 06 21:41:48 DocScrutinizer: drum? Sep 06 21:41:49 that's allowed? ^^ Sep 06 21:41:55 VanNelle Sep 06 21:42:01 i still have 99 finnish cigars somewhere Sep 06 21:42:06 * RST38h wonders what a finnish cigar is Sep 06 21:42:24 RST38h, amusement value at the airport Sep 06 21:42:33 any other safe way to get tools like less to the device? Sep 06 21:42:39 RST38h: it's the things you pick up in the ashtray when other people are done with them Sep 06 21:42:40 oelyulfmjukusmoerf Sep 06 21:42:46 that more is so crippled does not even support a back key :( Sep 06 21:42:53 RST38h: lcuk calls them cigars, we call them "cigarette butts" Sep 06 21:42:55 Do they roll those from bog moss or what? Sep 06 21:43:02 johndo, whats unsafe about maemo.org? if you specifically feel there is a serious problem, then please raise a bug Sep 06 21:43:05 Ah Sep 06 21:43:07 (finnish cigar) Sep 06 21:43:37 DocScrutinizer: damn, I thought that was the next volcano Sep 06 21:43:38 hmm, i'm used from debian to trust only signed packages Sep 06 21:43:56 thats good Sep 06 21:44:03 johndo: maemo is roughly based on debian, but somehow they forgot to implement the really good bits Sep 06 21:44:07 but it's only a phone device, not a server, so ... Sep 06 21:44:11 is there a command i can run to show which are signed/unsigned? Sep 06 21:44:18 crashanddie: probably the cigars are named after a smoking volcano Sep 06 21:44:27 apt-get install package :P Sep 06 21:44:32 and list them all from the sdk/tools repository ? Sep 06 21:44:33 DocScrutinizer: could be Sep 06 21:44:40 johndo, not quite what I had in mind Sep 06 21:44:52 i know, but i don't know a better command Sep 06 21:45:04 DocScrutinizer, sorry was grabbing bite Sep 06 21:45:21 johndo, do you have a scratchbox install handy Sep 06 21:45:22 somehow I misread "bite" as "tits" Sep 06 21:45:50 lcuk: no, only the n900 so far Sep 06 21:45:53 DocScrutinizer, well, right now I'm more concentrated on getting hardware accelerated decoding and completely bypassing PA for headphone playback Sep 06 21:46:05 woot Sep 06 21:46:18 I'm really close to building the damn code Sep 06 21:46:20 MNZ: first instance approach, http://www.musicdsp.org/files/Audio-EQ-Cookbook.txt looks like a job for a spreadsheet, to implement a PoC Sep 06 21:46:48 hmm Sep 06 21:46:52 DocScrutinizer, yeah I found this, but this is only useful if you want to do presets Sep 06 21:46:55 less is from a different repo afaik Sep 06 21:47:06 problem is, we have only two 'points' or filters Sep 06 21:47:14 johndo, you will come up on other roadblocks if you expect full dev Sep 06 21:47:26 for an EQ, you would have to approximate the shape of the curve and use two filters to get a close shape Sep 06 21:47:29 build-essential works, but dpkg-buildpackage doesnt Sep 06 21:47:43 and autotools has a few hiccups needing more gnu tools Sep 06 21:47:53 which is no easy task when you don't know what you are doing :/ Sep 06 21:47:56 MNZ: hmm, lemme see if I can make sense of your words Sep 06 21:47:59 damn... nitdroid is good minus the lack of modem support Sep 06 21:48:01 too bad :) Sep 06 21:48:19 it's pretty awesome Sep 06 21:48:29 lcuk: apt-cache policy tells me less and screen are from the same repository Sep 06 21:48:44 which is.. Sep 06 21:48:50 DocScrutinizer, I really didn't understand anything until I read this http://www.student.oulu.fi/~oniemita/dsp/dspstuff.txt Sep 06 21:48:54 and johndo i already said that its basesd on the package itself Sep 06 21:48:55 lcuk: at the moment i'm only interested in some tools, devel stuff may be later only Sep 06 21:48:57 and not on the repo Sep 06 21:49:09 MNZ: you mean we only got one filter function implemented in hw, and we want to use it for bass and treble same time? Sep 06 21:49:34 how can I disconnect my phone from network in command line ? suppose I connected via some connections I define . but I want to disconnect from cmd Sep 06 21:49:54 lcuk: was just in reply to your "less is from a different repository" Sep 06 21:50:22 DocScrutinizer, no, we have a fourth-order filter for the effects, which is made of 2 cascaded (ie, in series) biquads. So we basically have two biquads, so we can use two sets of coefficients to have two filters. Sep 06 21:50:48 sounds fine, no? Sep 06 21:50:55 not really Sep 06 21:50:58 * lcuk has odd repository configuration hence asking you Sep 06 21:51:08 you can't really do a real EQ as far as I'm concerned Sep 06 21:51:12 you can only approximate Sep 06 21:51:34 to get a feel for this you need the TI calculator and add two points and mess with them Sep 06 21:51:37 we just need to avoid blowing up the speakers Sep 06 21:51:52 kerio, no we are talking about the EQ Sep 06 21:51:57 when they have unsigned packages in the repo i may have to live with unauth packages Sep 06 21:51:58 not the highpass filtering thing Sep 06 21:52:07 equalizers are for pussies Sep 06 21:52:11 how to disconnect wifi from cmd in n900 Sep 06 21:52:13 ? Sep 06 21:52:21 ifdown wlan0 Sep 06 21:52:24 kerio, EQ rocks! HW EQ doubly so! Sep 06 21:53:04 DocScrutinizer, to understand me just get this (it's win32, runs fantastic in wine) http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/coefficient-calc.html Sep 06 21:53:25 johndo, if you can specifically identify a list of them Sep 06 21:53:27 * DocScrutinizer scratches head Sep 06 21:53:39 then it may be possible to at least ask that something be done Sep 06 21:54:03 kerio: doesn't work. I connected from applet manger . not from commandline Sep 06 21:54:10 lcuk: good idea, will note all of them i run into Sep 06 21:54:30 DocScrutinizer, after you download it, enable exactly two points and mess with their settings (bandwidth/gain/type). Those are our constraints, two filters/points. Sep 06 21:54:30 johndo, great Sep 06 21:54:38 Do any of you guys have trouble with Nokia Messaging today? Sep 06 21:54:45 It keeps aksing for my password Sep 06 21:54:45 and i just tested, it is the same directly in scratchbox Sep 06 21:54:55 just started with the n900, so maybe needs some time ;) Sep 06 21:54:58 but since the packages are uploaded as part of the SDK itself Sep 06 21:54:58 MNZ: maybe in that calculator Sep 06 21:55:33 johndo, you have a keen eye and such details are important Sep 06 21:55:35 lcuk: so you also get the warning about unauth in scratchbox? Sep 06 21:55:42 yes Sep 06 21:55:54 ok, good it's not only me Sep 06 21:56:12 indeed, but please compile a list of those you find Sep 06 21:56:12 DocScrutinizer, no, we really are constrained to two filters :D have you seen the equation of the filter in the datasheet? it's two huge brackets multiplied, each one of those can be considered a separate filter and takes it's own set of coefficients Sep 06 21:56:20 sudo ifconfig wlan0 down worked. but the wireless icon is on top and also the connected icon is light Sep 06 21:56:26 and good luck with your n900 \o/ Sep 06 21:56:29 hope you enjoy it Sep 06 21:56:36 MNZ: for a usual treble/bass EQ I'd just pick the HPF and LPF of http://www.musicdsp.org/files/Audio-EQ-Cookbook.txt, and calculate the coefficients for the desired f0 and gain Sep 06 21:56:54 yeah, i have nearly no experience with the n900, but it's a kind of debian on it :) Sep 06 21:57:02 crashanddie, liqflow flowing behind desktops on multiple machines o_O Sep 06 21:57:06 DocScrutinizer, oh, if we want just a simple 2 band EQ then yeah.... can be done Sep 06 21:57:08 Stupid NM :( Sep 06 21:57:26 lcuk: i do so far, only the battery is somewhat weak :( Sep 06 21:58:00 depends what you do with it Sep 06 21:58:19 but yeah a housebrick and 4months of uptime would be nice Sep 06 21:58:25 hehe Sep 06 21:58:28 MNZ: what I say... :-D Sep 06 21:58:38 DocScrutinizer, I was over-complicating things a bit... my idea was for a 6 (or even 12) band eq, and we smooth the 'curve' created by it and use two filters to achieve something similar Sep 06 21:58:45 how much juice do fuelcells give? Sep 06 21:58:48 hmm Sep 06 21:58:59 alcoholic n900 Sep 06 21:59:11 MNZ: that's theoretically feasible, but meh, my head hurts Sep 06 21:59:20 I will have a pint and my n900 will have a vodka and coke Sep 06 21:59:40 DocScrutinizer, exactly. I had my head hurting for about two days when I realized it's going to take a bunch more reading than what I've done :S Sep 06 21:59:44 eeek, a coke Sep 06 21:59:47 poor n900 Sep 06 21:59:51 DocScrutinizer, ok, so I can do a bass/treble thing for starters Sep 06 22:00:03 GREAT! :-DDD Sep 06 22:00:07 johndo: OMG Sep 06 22:01:05 DocScrutinizer, like I said though, right now I'm building TI's code for using the audio/video hw accel. It looks promising! Sep 06 22:02:23 lol jo Sep 06 22:02:27 johndo, ^ Sep 06 22:02:34 hi all Sep 06 22:03:12 * lcuk vanishes Sep 06 22:04:04 autodisconnect app is binary or script ? Sep 06 22:06:01 mintux: binary Sep 06 22:06:35 johndo: I need to disconnect wifi from ssh in my pc . but I don't know how can I do that Sep 06 22:07:59 mintux: ifdown wlan0 doesn't do the job? Sep 06 22:08:00 mintux: try `rmmod wl12xx.ko` Sep 06 22:08:32 can you remove a module while it's in use on the n900? Sep 06 22:08:51 after ifdown it shouldn't be in use anymore? Sep 06 22:08:59 johndo:it worked . but the wifi icon doesn't disappear and seems is connected Sep 06 22:09:01 dunno Sep 06 22:09:18 I'm trying to find which is the max sample rate that is available in the audio card of n800 Sep 06 22:09:25 DocScrutinizer: what is rmmod wl12xx.ko ? Sep 06 22:09:32 do you know whre it could be documented? Sep 06 22:09:34 what is wl12xx.ko ? Sep 06 22:09:40 it's not my idea to do rmmod, I only seen it at some places Sep 06 22:09:58 DocScrutinizer: what happens after that ? Sep 06 22:10:01 anybody knows if the gui package manager on the n900 uses apt as it's backend? so that it would support preferences? Sep 06 22:10:04 mintux: wl12xx is the wlan driver Sep 06 22:10:53 johndo: HAM is using apt as a backend, yes Sep 06 22:10:55 if I can disappear wifi icon beside antenna icon . my problem will solve Sep 06 22:11:26 means after ifconfig ifdown disappear wifi icon Sep 06 22:14:04 mintux: try this as well: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-disconnect-net Sep 06 22:17:01 mintux: also check this (/me curses wiki server sluggish like molasses once more): http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Sep 06 22:18:10 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Disconnect_internet Sep 06 22:21:47 mintux: if this works for you, it'd be nice of you to edit above linked wiki page, to share your findings (also about whether it affects the wifi icon in systray etc) Sep 06 22:23:36 ok thanks Sep 06 22:24:12 n900 irssi :D Sep 06 22:24:27 i more and more love this toy Sep 06 22:31:30 what are the signs when the kernel voltage settings of an n900 are too low? Sep 06 22:31:40 are they obvious like crashes or more subtle? Sep 06 22:33:13 <_trine> johndo, it crashes Sep 06 22:33:22 i'm at the "starving" settings now and anything seems to work properly, that's suspicious ^^ Sep 06 22:34:01 johndo: the likelihood for segfaults or any other kind of odd behaviour just rises Sep 06 22:34:27 <_trine> I use starving on my phone and its works perfectly however if I try it on my wifes phone it crashes in a short time Sep 06 22:34:39 just wanted to go down until it crashes and the go one or two steps back Sep 06 22:34:45 *then Sep 06 22:35:34 does lowering these voltage settings help much for battery life or has it a rather small effect? Sep 06 22:36:12 <_trine> johndo, are you overclocking at the same time Sep 06 22:36:15 johndo: despite it's digital, every electronics is an analog system in the end. While with correct core voltage you may see one false computation during 10^5years of operation, it rises to 1 false op during hours or minutes, with increasingly lower voltage Sep 06 22:36:27 _trine: no, no overclocking Sep 06 22:37:20 so far it seems fast enough, i just wanted to get a longer battery life Sep 06 22:37:20 johndo: read my above comment carefully, think about it, and then rethink your plan of "go down until crah, then one or two steps up" Sep 06 22:37:45 DocScrutinizer: yeah, doesn't sound good Sep 06 22:38:00 so keep my fingers away from it and switch back to default? Sep 06 22:38:18 <_trine> johndo, with these phones because they are so variable in there manufacture its simply a case of suck it and see Sep 06 22:38:37 i just was surprised that the kinda recommended set "ideal" had even overclocking to 850 MHz in it Sep 06 22:39:02 it depends on whether you're ok with your phone crashing out randomly (potentially corrupting data) in the pursuit of longer battery life Sep 06 22:39:16 _trine: and who told you about that variability in manufacture? Sep 06 22:39:21 if you say "yes" to that, then by all means, go as low as you can Sep 06 22:39:53 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, its plainly bloody obvious no one needs to tell me Sep 06 22:40:02 johnx: well, i just wanted both :D Sep 06 22:40:14 but i guess i have to find the compromise by myself :) Sep 06 22:40:20 yup Sep 06 22:40:43 aah, ok then. I'm still amazed how much you can learn from non-EE in IRC, even after 40 years of profeesional experience Sep 06 22:40:49 <_trine> the manufacturing process is very broad to say the least Sep 06 22:41:01 keep in mind that an error in the wrong place might not manifest as a crash. it might manifest as corrupted data being saved Sep 06 22:41:48 howdy all! Sep 06 22:41:56 hallo jophish Sep 06 22:42:00 johnx: yeah, and the data partition is a FAT filesystem :( Sep 06 22:42:13 _trine: many thanks for educating me :-P Sep 06 22:42:44 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, sarcasm is not one of your better attributes Sep 06 22:42:57 I'm trying to get bluetooth dial up working. I am stumped as to how to use ppponfig though. I don't know where I cn get the information for my provider.I'm using t-mobile UK, with a 3 plan Sep 06 22:43:11 I'm running debian on my computer Sep 06 22:45:42 <_trine> however I love my N900 Sep 06 22:47:23 <_trine> if I could run it at 2300 MHz instead of 1150 I would and when/if it failed I would just buy another Sep 06 22:47:28 <_trine> :) Sep 06 22:47:44 jophish: have you bothered to even *check* how much (or probably little) gain in battery life undervolting will buy you? Not by gut feeling based random numbers made up, but by using e.g bq27200.sh script to get exact numbers of power consumption during doing heavy calculations or video playback, and then comparing same situation one time with undervolt and one time with stock settings Sep 06 22:48:18 err sorry jophish Sep 06 22:48:26 DocScrutinizer: I haven't looked into that, but _trine might have Sep 06 22:48:26 johndo: ^^^ for you Sep 06 22:48:28 hello people Sep 06 22:48:30 jophish, are you following a guide that told you to use pppconfig? could you give us a link? I got it setup correctly on ubuntu, but that was with networkmanager Sep 06 22:48:56 does anyone know if the 3g video calls will be supported Sep 06 22:48:59 johnx: I have been following this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Debian-Tethering Sep 06 22:49:06 or a programmer is working on it Sep 06 22:49:07 ? Sep 06 22:49:12 but I have discovered that the gnome networknamager has something similar Sep 06 22:49:33 overall undervolting should have a minimal impact, since the voltage is 0V duriing the vast majority of time N900 is on.. Sep 06 22:49:35 yeah. if you're running gnome on debian, I'd follow the ubuntu guide Sep 06 22:49:37 johndo: probably you'll find it's absolutely not worth it Sep 06 22:49:44 <_trine> aircrack-ng is wonderful on an N900 Sep 06 22:49:45 DocScrutinizer: no, that's why i was asking Sep 06 22:49:49 unless you've got something crap installed consuming cpu, of course Sep 06 22:50:00 i did not even found a trustworthy powertop so far Sep 06 22:50:03 but It filled in the wrong information by default, and I am not eager to get tmobile charging me for trying to use a data plan I didn' pay for Sep 06 22:50:15 johndo Sep 06 22:50:24 are you following Sep 06 22:50:25 ? Sep 06 22:50:59 helloooooo Sep 06 22:51:15 any help here Sep 06 22:51:17 ? Sep 06 22:51:44 jophish: where ar eyou? Sep 06 22:51:53 SpeedEvil: I'm in the uk Sep 06 22:52:12 jophish: I haver t-mobile PAYG + 6 mo internet booster. Sep 06 22:52:14 looking at the information on the phone, the username is t-mobile, and the password is two characters long Sep 06 22:52:15 Works well. Sep 06 22:52:37 SpeedEvil: have you go that working with tethering? Sep 06 22:53:14 ShadowJK: so the n900 has real cpu sleep mode or however that is called and not only switch back to min frequency? Sep 06 22:53:22 then it probably doesn't gain much Sep 06 22:53:32 johndo: it does zero-clock Sep 06 22:53:58 jophish: yes Sep 06 22:54:00 is there any way to find out how much time it spends in that mode? Sep 06 22:54:04 jophish: password 'web' Sep 06 22:54:11 jophish: and web Sep 06 22:54:13 i only found the time spend in diff frequencies so far Sep 06 22:54:15 johndo: powertop Sep 06 22:54:20 is frals here? Sep 06 22:54:21 is frals here? Sep 06 22:54:24 SpeedEvil: looking on the phone, it is only two characters long though Sep 06 22:54:32 is the username t-mobile? Sep 06 22:54:34 ha, again that what i dont have Sep 06 22:54:34 people Sep 06 22:54:35 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powertop Sep 06 22:54:38 are you here? Sep 06 22:54:41 I need to fix it Sep 06 22:54:47 answer me Sep 06 22:54:47 is the binary in the forum thread trustworthy? Sep 06 22:55:17 i need to talk to frals Sep 06 22:55:21 why don't you answer Sep 06 22:55:45 medo, if nobody got an answer, you'll probably not want 483 users answering "medo, sorry, but no" Sep 06 22:55:58 medo: now stop spamming the channel Sep 06 22:56:00 johndo: It seems to work for any password Sep 06 22:56:28 thanks doc Sep 06 22:59:56 medo: t help you out of your pain: Sep 06 23:00:00 ~seen frals Sep 06 23:00:05 frals is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 7h 24m 29s, last said: 'haha'. Sep 06 23:00:30 you have been a great help Sep 06 23:00:33 thanks a lot Sep 06 23:00:57 how can i follow him on this channel Sep 06 23:00:59 ? Sep 06 23:01:22 medo: set a highlight on in your irc client Sep 06 23:01:31 or simply /query frals Sep 06 23:01:55 johndo: my binary has sha1sum 5426e35133941c100e1de582e174c219bbbb4799 Sep 06 23:02:13 I took it from the firmware image that had powertop before it was removed Sep 06 23:02:30 DocScrutinizer, you are the man Sep 06 23:02:31 is a higher cpuidle state more or less power consumption? it seem to have state 0 to 3 Sep 06 23:02:52 ShadowJK: thanks, i'll check the one from the thread Sep 06 23:02:53 iirc higher == less power Sep 06 23:03:16 do you have any idea about the 3g video calls for the n900? Sep 06 23:03:19 DocScrutinizer Sep 06 23:03:49 medo: nope, otherwise I had answered your question Sep 06 23:04:03 you are totally right Sep 06 23:04:10 johndo: 0 is higher Sep 06 23:04:11 frals is not answering me Sep 06 23:04:20 C4 in powertop is clock off voltage off Sep 06 23:04:24 i have some ideas for his fmms program Sep 06 23:04:40 ShadowJK: i just found the files in the /sys tree Sep 06 23:05:16 yeahl there's one set of numbers that apply for active and oner set of numbers for sleep Sep 06 23:05:59 about 3% in stage 0, 10% in stage 1, 10% in s2 and 77% in s3 Sep 06 23:06:11 during the last day or so Sep 06 23:06:22 i guess the numbers are since last reboot Sep 06 23:06:54 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpuidle/* ? Sep 06 23:06:59 yes Sep 06 23:07:07 .. stageX/time Sep 06 23:07:17 *state Sep 06 23:07:29 johndo - get powertop Sep 06 23:07:37 i'm on it :) Sep 06 23:07:46 See above page for explanation Sep 06 23:08:03 stat3/name C4, if it's 77 percent, that's good Sep 06 23:08:04 Also - you don't care about it. Sep 06 23:08:15 Look at the power consumption number - with that script. Sep 06 23:08:22 And how it changes over time. Sep 06 23:08:28 exactly Sep 06 23:08:59 SpeedEvil: whith that script? sory, must have missed something Sep 06 23:09:08 that bq27200? Sep 06 23:09:13 yep Sep 06 23:09:26 ~seen dalal Sep 06 23:09:30 i haven't seen 'dalal', medo Sep 06 23:09:47 see an example listing I posted at end of that wikipage, under random adds Sep 06 23:11:43 oops, that's been http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Software Sep 06 23:28:35 is there any way to get the FAT partition remounted while the USB cable still is connected? Sep 06 23:28:48 the FAT partition is umounted remotely already Sep 06 23:29:36 unplug the far end of the cable. Sep 06 23:29:38 Reboot Sep 06 23:29:59 SpeedEvil: ah, the far end, good idea :D Sep 06 23:30:29 just don't wanted to unplug the n900 side every time .. Sep 06 23:30:52 You can also cut off the little 'lugs' on the n900 connector to reduce insertion force. Sep 06 23:33:00 i really like hdmi connector Sep 06 23:33:05 socket and plug Sep 06 23:33:08 looks robust Sep 06 23:33:16 * raster wonders how well nokia test the gl-es drivers ont he n900 Sep 06 23:33:23 really robust compared to all recent connectors Sep 06 23:37:30 that powertop is quite different from the debian one at the pc Sep 06 23:37:49 ARM is quite different from X86 :) Sep 06 23:37:52 doesn't look good if i understand it right, 10% C0, 90% C2 Sep 06 23:37:57 no C4 :( Sep 06 23:38:11 both are made of silicon Sep 06 23:38:23 and transistors Sep 06 23:41:17 250 wakeups per seconds, is that normal? sounds much Sep 06 23:42:09 johndo: nah, that's ok Sep 06 23:42:41 Read the caveats on the above page johndo Sep 06 23:43:54 SpeedEvil: you mean http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption ? Sep 06 23:44:32 yes Sep 06 23:44:38 I need to finish off that Sep 06 23:50:19 SpeedEvil: these numbers are very interesting Sep 06 23:50:25 SpeedEvil: Do you think reverting this patch, would increase throughput even more? http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org/msg01266.html Sep 06 23:50:45 so switching GSM or WiFi off doesn't gain much when it's idle, suspend seems to work very well Sep 06 23:51:08 where do I get that bq27200 script from? is it in the pdf? Sep 06 23:52:04 johndo: no. you copy and paste it from the page Sep 06 23:52:19 tobis87: no idea, sorry Sep 06 23:52:55 hmm, i'm too blind, there is no script Sep 06 23:52:59 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption ? Sep 06 23:53:18 johndo: oh - that's not there. Sep 06 23:54:04 The script mentioned only gives more info on the battery state - it's not importantr for instantaneous power consumptrion use. Sep 06 23:54:11 And indeed uses extra power. Sep 06 23:54:41 Run the script on that page under screen, and you will see ~6mA or so with it idle. Sep 06 23:54:48 And not actively using wifi Sep 06 23:55:01 If you don't have any battery eating stuff installed. Sep 06 23:56:25 There is an article on optimizing aes for arm7, it is not directly related to twofish of course, but they also test aes with unrolled functions: http://bit.ly/b80pdJ Sep 06 23:57:06 SpeedEvil: sorry, cannot follow you, I don't see how I can get these numbers for the current consumption of the device Sep 06 23:57:32 oh - right Sep 06 23:57:36 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management Sep 06 23:57:37 sorry Sep 06 23:57:49 I missed rthat you were referring to a different page. Sep 06 23:58:07 I hope to polish that script some more, add some user-friendliness, and ship it to extras soon. Sep 06 23:58:48 SpeedEvil: ah, that looks better, thanks :) Sep 07 00:00:45 looks like the old powertop does not fit very well for PR 1.2 or the community kernel Sep 07 00:01:02 1.2 is fine Sep 07 00:01:07 it is confused by more freqs Sep 07 00:01:46 even when they are not active? I have min 250 and max 600 too Sep 07 00:02:10 so the community kernel from Extras is not recommended? Sep 07 00:04:06 yes Sep 07 00:04:15 It confuses powertop Sep 07 00:04:23 this is not a reason not to use it Sep 07 00:21:24 powertop is a tool very close to kernel internals, so it should be compiled for the kernel it is used for. A powertop for stock kernel obviously doesn't match power kernel perfectly Sep 07 00:24:39 * satmd disgrees Sep 07 00:25:06 as long as you have recent kernel headers, you're fine Sep 07 00:25:17 it can decide which features to use during run-time Sep 07 00:25:35 it plain simple looks in /proc and /sys ;) Sep 07 00:26:27 the powertop version from PR 1.1 (?) quite obviously gets confused on my device Sep 07 00:26:33 the C states are messed up Sep 07 00:28:18 does the "default" parameter set for the power kernel conforms to the original settings of the nokia kernel? Sep 07 00:29:19 i cannot get the divice down to the 6mA, the minimum i get is about 25mA with GSM, WiFi, BT and display off Sep 07 00:30:12 johndo: I need to recheck my numbers. Sep 07 00:30:20 But I will note that I have had 100h battery Sep 07 00:30:27 which is around 12mA Sep 07 00:31:41 I rather would doubt in my numbers for now, not in yours ;) Sep 07 00:32:44 How were you connectring to the system? Sep 07 00:32:45 i just do a sleep 30; cat /sys/..../current_now and switch off the screen on the right side, than wait for the number Sep 07 00:33:12 and get about 130 .. 140 Sep 07 00:33:25 you know that it's not mA? Sep 07 00:33:32 that's about 20 to 25 mA, right? Sep 07 00:33:57 I don't recall Sep 07 00:34:14 `$current_read` * 3570 / 22 / 1000 Sep 07 00:34:18 from the script Sep 07 00:36:21 yeah Sep 07 00:37:16 Also - sometimes for no good reason it can start using more battery Sep 07 00:38:43 where is a good place to put own srcipts and bins to on the device without conflicting with the internal package managemant? Sep 07 00:38:56 seems i cannot chmod +x on the FAT partition :( Sep 07 00:39:05 /usr/local/bin Sep 07 00:39:30 I add /usr/local/bin - which is a symlink to /home/usr/local/bin Sep 07 00:39:31 that will be ignored by the package management? ok Sep 07 00:47:02 shit is built! I finally got it all built!!!! I think I'm gonna cry :') Sep 07 00:47:14 Now to testing. This is either going to be EPIC WIN or EPIC FAIL. Sep 07 00:47:19 nothing in between unfortunately Sep 07 00:51:18 :) Sep 07 00:51:31 It could explode in a really cool way Sep 07 00:51:53 SpeedEvil, well no, no explosions. Not today at least ;) Sep 07 00:52:10 the epic fail will be if I spent all this time and it doesn't work Sep 07 00:57:42 SpeedEvil: I also have much more events than you, about 70 events/sec Sep 07 00:58:08 processes which are consuming CPU are hildon-desktop (about 7%) and Xorg (about 1%) Sep 07 00:58:42 johndo, you have catorise? Sep 07 00:58:50 thinking about apps .. could it be that the little cpu & memory meter causes that load? Sep 07 00:58:54 yes Sep 07 00:59:49 MNZ: that's the subfolder app for the application manu, right? does it use any CPU? Sep 07 00:59:55 *menu Sep 07 00:59:59 there's a rather cool hildon-desktop bug, it's stuck in an endless loop and will not stop consuming ~5% cpu Sep 07 01:00:13 oops Sep 07 01:00:20 you need to update hildon-desktop Sep 07 01:00:23 or stop using catorise Sep 07 01:00:32 only when you have that catorise installed? Sep 07 01:00:42 it's not really catorise's fault Sep 07 01:01:00 it only triggers when your main menu is less than 1 page and doesn't require scrolling Sep 07 01:01:21 the 'bounce' animation starts and it never ends. And you don't actually see it. Sep 07 01:01:42 nice one :) Sep 07 01:06:03 and the moment of truth. Now either the kernel crashes and dies, or nothing happens..... Sep 07 01:07:28 or of course.... it simply doesn't load :@ Sep 07 01:08:06 ah... need to flash kernel... bleh Sep 07 01:10:30 looks like that hildon-desktop package is a nokia one Sep 07 01:10:42 where from do i get a more recent version of that package? Sep 07 01:11:14 it's only available through a community repo, or you could build it from git Sep 07 01:11:16 hold on Sep 07 01:11:51 oops, build and git .. i do not have a devel environment for the n900 so far ;) Sep 07 01:12:22 and i do still not know how to flash .. ;) Sep 07 01:12:37 no need to build Sep 07 01:12:41 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/repo/pool/free/h/hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop_2.2.142-1_armel.deb Sep 07 01:12:51 there, just download that and open through filemanager Sep 07 01:13:18 hmm, that put my device into beta test stage then? Sep 07 01:13:48 johndo, what does that mean? Sep 07 01:14:20 i rather get rid of the catorise, i go into holidays naxt weak and need the device to work :) Sep 07 01:14:34 don't worry it works perfectly Sep 07 01:14:41 I've been using it for a few weeks Sep 07 01:14:45 and so have many others Sep 07 01:14:47 that package from your url is stable quality or still testing ? Sep 07 01:15:07 it's technically 'testing' but practically it's stable Sep 07 01:15:19 ok, i'll download it and think about it until tomorrow :) Sep 07 01:15:31 it's too late today anyway Sep 07 01:17:05 thank you guys for all your hints Sep 07 01:17:24 i'm quite sure I'll come back and ask more stupid questions :P Sep 07 01:17:32 but not today Sep 07 01:17:34 bye Sep 07 01:17:39 bye o/ Sep 07 01:20:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZS8tPbIXPw << Amazing! >> Matt Whilhelm's BMX flatland artistry Sep 07 01:32:23 hi Sep 07 01:33:36 Hi Sep 07 01:34:25 do know of a way to make it so the /home and MyDocs partitons' sizes are dynamic, like, both share the same free space and if you fill it in one of them the other also sees the freespace disapearing, and if you free space in one both seee the new free space? Sep 07 01:35:17 no Sep 07 01:35:45 TiagoTiago, I think the way to do that would be to repartition, and make /home and MyDocs be in the same partition. Sep 07 01:36:50 tho then you couldnt export it via usb mass storage anymore (at least) Sep 07 01:36:50 Then you'd of course lose windows/mac/whatever compatibility Sep 07 01:37:01 i imagine it could be done making the partitons actually be regular files in a third partition with some program or driver tricking the system into seeing them as partitoins, files can easilly grow and shrink Sep 07 01:37:38 isn't there an issue with the camera and a few otherr hings when you don't have a vfat partition avaiable? Sep 07 01:38:01 just for the record, I removed catorise to test, now I get 2 to 5 events/sec and a current usage of 4 to 5 mA :D Sep 07 01:38:15 TiagoTiago, that may very well too Sep 07 01:38:16 looking forward to the 100 hour battery lifetime ^^ Sep 07 01:38:21 well be Sep 07 01:38:43 you're saying catorise keeps running in the bckground unecessarlly. Sep 07 01:39:06 johndo, you'll have multiday batterylife with that Sep 07 01:39:15 lol Sep 07 01:39:21 catorise is known battery killer btw Sep 07 01:39:28 it's not catorise Sep 07 01:39:47 it's not really catorise's fault Sep 07 01:39:47 it only triggers when your main menu is less than 1 page and doesn't require scrolling Sep 07 01:39:47 the 'bounce' animation starts and it never ends. And you don't actually see it. Sep 07 01:39:49 TiagoTiago: no, got the hint that it's a hildon-desktop bug which get triggered by catorise Sep 07 01:40:03 Does Truecrypt allows for files holding the image growing and shrinking? Sep 07 01:40:05 oh Sep 07 01:40:07 thanks to MNZ :) Sep 07 01:40:39 now I'm gone for real, bye bye Sep 07 01:41:08 can you add like 3-6 folders more for catorise and work around the bug? Sep 07 01:41:11 cya Sep 07 01:41:12 MNZ: WTF? Sep 07 01:41:23 TiagoTiago, I'd imagine you cannot really solve optification by adding another layer of complexity. It'd be rather ironic Sep 07 01:41:29 DocScrutinizer, you never heard of this bug? Sep 07 01:41:34 nope Sep 07 01:41:51 heh, this was probably the first thing that got me on #maemo :D Sep 07 01:42:03 it's fixed since Sep 07 01:42:07 there gotta be a program/driver that works like how i described Sep 07 01:42:13 and fix is in MohammadAG51's repo Sep 07 01:42:55 TiagoTiago, install this update http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/repo/pool/free/h/hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop_2.2.142-1_armel.deb Sep 07 01:42:58 actually it sounds like somthing that might even come with most zLinux distros.... Sep 07 01:43:23 TiagoTiago, well the only sensible way would be to use filesystems designed to handle resizing quickly, but then you're back to losing the original point of having a separate vfat partition in the first place Sep 07 01:44:04 it's not possible to have a vfat that can be rfedimensioned on the fly? Sep 07 01:44:17 MNZ: what's the fix? Sep 07 01:44:40 tiagotiago: it takes ages to do it Sep 07 01:45:05 DocScrutinizer, madam fixed the animation, it's in git, and the hildon-desktop in mohammad's ssu has it. http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/repo/pool/free/h/hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop_2.2.142-1_armel.deb Sep 07 01:45:14 MNZ: ooh, ok Sep 07 01:45:21 if resizing isn't possible, then add a imaginary file that is an MB or so smaller than the avaible free space and change itms size when the amount of free space changes Sep 07 01:45:36 I'll simply go for the deb Sep 07 01:46:08 DocScrutinizer, this is weird, if you were experiencing the bug then you would have definitely noticed Sep 07 01:46:14 i'll not install it right now 'cause i' probably gonna be reflashing today or in the next few days Sep 07 01:46:24 MNZ: you're sure? Sep 07 01:46:30 battery time is down to like 8 hours :/ Sep 07 01:46:47 it's a constant 5-7% cpu by hildon-desktop Sep 07 01:46:48 i've seen infinite bouncing on microB a few times, though that was more loike jitter than bounce Sep 07 01:46:50 MNZ: I rarely are off charger for >2..3h Sep 07 01:47:03 ah Sep 07 01:47:46 MNZ: 5percent hd sounds familiar Sep 07 01:49:30 hd 7% 2h+ Sep 07 01:51:29 'update not possible, program not compatible' :-/ Sep 07 01:51:46 what? Sep 07 01:51:52 seems it's not optimized for HAM Sep 07 01:52:02 ah, dpkg is your friend Sep 07 01:53:06 hey, is MohammedAG around? Sep 07 01:53:18 PhonicUK, sound asleep Sep 07 01:53:22 balls Sep 07 01:53:33 has anyone got PSFreedom to work on their N900? Sep 07 01:53:39 KaKaRoTo, ping Sep 07 01:53:46 MNZ, yeah Sep 07 01:53:50 Kaadlajk, kalem ya 3am Sep 07 01:54:40 KaKaRoTo, err I think PhonicUK has a question for you Sep 07 01:54:52 MNZ, ah ok, thx Sep 07 01:55:03 PhonicUK, yes, tons of people, follow the instructions and it should just work.. Sep 07 01:55:10 I'm getting this error when I try to use it: "Invalid module format" Sep 07 01:55:14 PhonicUK, make sure your ps3 is version 3.41 or it won't work Sep 07 01:55:26 PhonicUK, so you use the power kernel or something.. the binary available is for stock kernel only... Sep 07 01:55:34 ah Sep 07 01:55:43 PhonicUK, be patient, others are currently building the module for the power kernel Sep 07 01:55:49 ok, cheers Sep 07 01:55:55 just gonna check PS3 firmware verison Sep 07 01:56:04 has it been patched out of newer firmwares already? Sep 07 01:58:25 ah good im on 3.41 :) Sep 07 01:58:52 PhonicUK, no new firmware, 3.41 is the latest Sep 07 01:59:07 PhonicUK, but many people haven't updated since 3.15 (since linux support was removed) Sep 07 01:59:11 ok Sep 07 01:59:17 i have a slim anyway Sep 07 01:59:25 and since the exploit overwrites functions in memory, it's specific to the firmware 3.41 Sep 07 01:59:35 no supprises Sep 07 01:59:42 but someone is working on finding the right memory offset to overwrite to make it 3.15 compatible Sep 07 01:59:49 i just need to remove the power user kernel Sep 07 02:00:03 i wonder if this will lead to running Linux on the slim Sep 07 02:00:04 MNZ: think I'll need a HDM restart aka reboot Sep 07 02:00:33 DocScrutinizer51, no, just killall hildon-desktop Sep 07 02:00:49 upstart should reload it for ya, good as new Sep 07 02:02:40 modules loaded successfully!!! I'm now about to try hw accelerated video! Sep 07 02:02:55 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=809137 <-thread rerquesting that virtual partitions sharing free space thing Sep 07 02:06:56 MNZ: nice. HDM 0% Sep 07 02:07:14 MNZ, gratz :D Sep 07 02:07:55 shit Sep 07 02:07:59 i just bricked my N900 Sep 07 02:08:11 :( Sep 07 02:08:19 :( Sep 07 02:09:04 permanet or you can still solve it with a reflash? Sep 07 02:09:17 i think it just needs its kernel flashing Sep 07 02:09:38 could be worse Sep 07 02:09:55 can i flash the kernel without removing the contents of the root filesystem? Sep 07 02:10:54 there is an option qith the flasher for lfashing kernel only, but i dunwhat exactly it considers as being the kernel Sep 07 02:12:38 has anyone wine the Nokia pc suite on linux ? I want tom do some contact management, but I was wondering if the wined up suite is worth it Sep 07 02:12:56 does anyone got a link handy for the thread about reflashing changing the sizes of the partitions? Sep 07 02:13:22 Ovi Suite is bprobably better for usiing with the N900 Sep 07 02:13:48 is there no reflasher for 64-bit systems? :( Sep 07 02:13:53 TiagoTiago_: have you ran it under linux ? Sep 07 02:14:05 nope, sorry Sep 07 02:14:11 k Sep 07 02:14:42 brb, gotta reboot Sep 07 02:14:46 PhonicUK, Sep 07 02:14:49 good luck Sep 07 02:14:56 the 32 bit flasher works fine Sep 07 02:14:59 need to disable driver signing xD Sep 07 02:15:13 eh, windoze Sep 07 02:15:13 okie Sep 07 02:16:46 TiagoTiago: wasn't that you who was advised to bookmark http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools ? Sep 07 02:17:20 ah, that was about that? ok Sep 07 02:18:28 ok back Sep 07 02:18:49 wb Sep 07 02:20:11 hi all Sep 07 02:20:17 hi Sep 07 02:21:41 there is indeed a kernel only option :) Sep 07 02:21:47 downloading the image Sep 07 02:24:05 :) Sep 07 02:35:15 arg Sep 07 02:35:38 ? Sep 07 02:35:49 i think i have to run flasher as admin xD Sep 07 02:36:41 nope no help :\ Sep 07 02:36:49 "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." Sep 07 02:40:32 did you boot the N900 holding the U key? Sep 07 02:40:53 wait, no Sep 07 02:41:19 i think it's having it shutdown, then hold U and plug the USB and wait Sep 07 02:42:15 yeah i did Sep 07 02:42:49 unplug and try again? Sep 07 02:43:27 no dice Sep 07 02:43:42 windows says that there is a Nokia N900 (Update Mode) present Sep 07 02:43:47 meh I'm off Sep 07 02:43:55 is there enough charge? Sep 07 02:44:14 yes, its full Sep 07 02:44:23 hm, that one didn't show when i did my reflaash, but then it was kinda messed up Sep 07 02:44:53 are you sure you're plugging it in a 2.0 port? Sep 07 02:45:00 yes Sep 07 02:45:10 gonna try rebooting again Sep 07 02:46:30 is there a way i can follow the instructions on th5 joerg page without having to boot Linux on my desktop? Sep 07 02:46:49 ermmm Sep 07 02:47:06 dunno, what's windows? Sep 07 02:47:14 WinXP Sep 07 02:47:48 there are actually other OS than unixoid ones? Sep 07 02:47:56 ah, lol Sep 07 02:47:59 sorry, no idea Sep 07 02:49:19 TiagoTiago: I guess if you find a decent hexeditor, then you can changemthe string '2048' this way Sep 07 02:49:22 ok lets try this again... Sep 07 02:49:45 i see Sep 07 02:50:27 so it's supposed to only have that in one place in the whole file? Sep 07 02:51:40 yes Sep 07 02:51:50 ok Sep 07 02:52:15 ffs why wont it work :( Sep 07 02:52:17 hm, it's not the same file as the one used to flash the kernel, is it? Sep 07 02:52:29 and the context is quite speeaking Sep 07 02:52:51 it refuses to start flashing Sep 07 02:52:58 no, it's vanilla eMMC Sep 07 02:53:22 has anyone ever managed to flash on a 64-bit system :( Sep 07 02:53:25 different file, ok Sep 07 02:54:28 PhonicUK: windows? often a reboot helps, to reset the USB Sep 07 02:54:36 i have done, twice now Sep 07 02:55:03 aah hangon Sep 07 02:55:06 i think i saw a link for doing it in 64bits Windows in the wiki, not sure Sep 07 02:55:46 reboot time Sep 07 02:57:09 really, I'd prefer booting a linux live CD all days Sep 07 02:57:20 each day even Sep 07 02:57:35 it's only the first box in that page that is about the refllashing with bigger /home ? Sep 07 02:58:35 yes Sep 07 02:58:51 ok **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 07 02:59:57 2010