**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 11 02:59:57 2010 Sep 11 03:00:09 ShadSEC: see: Sep 11 03:00:23 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management Sep 11 03:00:27 TRhe script in that. Sep 11 03:00:45 I'm polishing it, and goign to release it to extras maybe - but it works werll Sep 11 03:00:51 Oh Sep 11 03:01:03 that doesn't actually show remaining battery. Sep 11 03:01:19 It could easily though Sep 11 03:01:20 hey, anyone able to control any tv with this thing yet? Sep 11 03:01:27 yes - see irreco Sep 11 03:12:29 so...nokia got themselves a new CEO....how do you guys feel about it ? Sep 11 03:13:10 can't hurt I guess Sep 11 03:13:35 he grew up not too far from where i live.... Sep 11 03:13:42 speedevil, again it is a bit overkill for what I need, I will just store the value and check it once in a while Sep 11 03:14:09 speedevil, but that script is great to check current consumption, thx! Sep 11 03:14:41 his 1st order of the day should be to clear the air about the n900 with the users Sep 11 03:15:14 aptget doesnt find irreco Sep 11 03:15:54 so whats this shit i'm hearing about 1.3? is it coming? Sep 11 03:16:27 mmmm, 220mah just with remote ssh doesnt seem right.... Sep 11 03:21:15 Lets see what it says just after reboot... Sep 11 03:23:11 Sat Sep 11 05:19:22 CEST 2010 219mA 73 total events, 14.547 events/sec Sep 11 03:23:13 mmmmmm Sep 11 03:25:23 SpeedEvil, is this script giving real results? Sep 11 03:25:46 if it is, theres somethign very wrong with my phone lol Sep 11 03:31:10 Anyone else that has tested this script could tell me its ouput from remote ssh with screen off ? Sep 11 03:31:30 ha? Sep 11 03:40:00 SpeedEvil, this script has an awesome diagnostics value Sep 11 03:49:00 ShadSEC: it is ballpark if your wireless is not properly powersaving Sep 11 03:49:19 ShadSEC: 30 idle to 6 if you're redirecting to a file Sep 11 03:50:33 Sat Sep 11 04:46:35 BST 2010 52mA 35 total events, 6.965 events/sec Sep 11 03:50:33 Sat Sep 11 04:46:40 BST 2010 17mA 26 total events, 5.181 events/sec Sep 11 03:50:33 Sat Sep 11 04:46:45 BST 2010 17mA 27 total events, 5.392 events/sec Sep 11 03:53:14 SpeedEvil, in fact the remote SSH is going thru 3G, maybe that explains it... but yours are really low figures Sep 11 03:54:00 It's also useful to check charges... AC charger, arund 800ma, USB charging 400mah, car charger 600mah Sep 11 03:54:04 chargers Sep 11 03:54:18 any of you guys know how hildon-desktop generates e-tag? Sep 11 03:55:56 Ah. Sep 11 03:56:00 3G is insane. Sep 11 03:56:42 Through screen - Sat Sep 11 04:52:24 BST 2010 11mA 30 total events, 5.973 events/sec Sep 11 03:56:42 Sat Sep 11 04:52:29 BST 2010 9mA 16 total events, 3.195 events/sec Sep 11 03:57:13 yep.. I will later check from 3G... but its wlan0 what I am remotely playing with, so i need to ssh through 3g Sep 11 03:57:28 wifi with powersave - above numbers Sep 11 03:57:41 If powersave isn't working - 200 isn't unreasonable Sep 11 03:57:43 is that idle or interactive ssh? Sep 11 03:58:05 The first was idle with only the script Sep 11 03:58:18 the second was redirected to a file - both with wlan active Sep 11 03:58:51 that makes sense... again, this script is great to optimize usage of the n900 Sep 11 03:59:07 I need to polish it and release properly. Sep 11 03:59:08 this time with exact figures, not just intuition Sep 11 03:59:46 it seems to be working great to me... Sep 11 04:02:08 frequency stats would be good too. Sep 11 04:04:29 yep Sep 11 04:05:06 but i think watching the exact real time current is more interesting Sep 11 04:15:11 hi all, i've just completely bricked my n900 any fail safe to restore? Sep 11 04:15:58 fail safe? Sep 11 04:16:54 not really Sep 11 04:17:20 you could reflash it but specifying the original kernel Sep 11 04:20:56 theres no 64bit version :( Sep 11 04:21:05 of? Sep 11 04:21:24 flasher Sep 11 04:21:27 so it seems Sep 11 04:21:31 flasher? I don't think that would matter much unless you're running ia-64 Sep 11 04:23:31 Error: Wrong architecture 'i386' afraid it does :( Sep 11 04:24:24 can you set the n900 not to echo the letters you type for password fields completely? Sep 11 04:25:05 found something on the wiki using google thats telling me to force the install so i'll give that a try Sep 11 04:30:50 is there any way in the n900 to copy/paste from a regular text file into a text message to be sent? Sep 11 04:31:51 do ctrl-c/ctrl-v work? Sep 11 04:32:20 no - that's why I am asking Sep 11 04:34:42 Does wl1251 support multiple virtual interfaces? ie, two, each connected to a different AP in managed mode Sep 11 04:35:24 ShadSEC, as long as they are on the same channel and you use only one gateway Sep 11 04:37:20 psycho, good...and whats the command to create them? I dont see wlanconfig here Sep 11 04:38:03 and i supposse you mean only one DEFAULT gateway, dont you? Sep 11 04:39:25 ShadSEC, you'll need to compile iw :) and yes one default gw Sep 11 04:40:53 psycho, and it will compile? mmmm, lets try... :P Sep 11 04:42:23 ShadSEC, provided that you have met all the deps under scratchbox Sep 11 04:42:55 I use a chroot for native compiling Sep 11 04:43:21 i find it easier to do the job Sep 11 04:44:14 you compile all the stuff using n900? Sep 11 04:44:44 yep Sep 11 04:44:58 it is not that slow Sep 11 04:45:08 in fact i think it is very fast Sep 11 04:45:47 * jpinx uses a chroot in the n900 for his routine computing now Sep 11 04:46:10 * psycho_oreos thinks some people are nuts Sep 11 04:46:25 lol Sep 11 04:46:30 psycho_oreos: why? Sep 11 04:47:20 I can ssh in and use a bigger kbd screen from anywhere -- even internetcafes Sep 11 04:47:41 carry around putty on a usb, plug it in, ssh into the n900 :) Sep 11 04:47:54 jpinx, well there's lack of space to begin with unless you either repartition the onboard 29GB or have a large flash drive... then there's issues with CPU doing all that compiling when you could have a normal desktop PC do the job whilst you tinker around n900 more without excessive lags Sep 11 04:48:29 psycho, my chroot is on a loop mounted ext3 Sep 11 04:48:37 no space issue Sep 11 04:48:43 ShadSEC: same here Sep 11 04:49:02 and for compiling... unless you recompile a kernel, everything is fine Sep 11 04:49:09 even a kernel would be ok during my sleep Sep 11 04:49:12 in other words you have about 3 or so GB to play with :) Sep 11 04:49:20 ShadSEC: do you use screen? Sep 11 04:49:44 4Gb on the sdk chroot Sep 11 04:49:55 yep, screen is great Sep 11 04:50:09 yeah no more than 4GB as per FAT32 limitation Sep 11 04:50:40 yes, and in my tests, theres almost no overhead for using a loop mounted image than a real partition Sep 11 04:51:02 so the images just lie on the big useles FAT Sep 11 04:51:20 lay Sep 11 04:51:50 ShadSEC: here's my scenario - chroot into the image, su $USER (because I don't want to appear in irssi as root) and I get /dev/pts/# permissions. Easy enough to fix manually, but I wondered if there could be a way to automate that? Sep 11 04:52:12 I normally compile stuff with scratchbox unless I'm in a place where I can't install scratchbox, then I'll consider about a chroot environment under n900 Sep 11 04:52:27 a script Sep 11 04:52:59 jpinx, you cant script the commands you do manually? Sep 11 04:53:05 chroot dev environment I should add Sep 11 04:53:41 psycho, the truht is that I didn't even care to setup scratchbox... cross compiling sounded more complicate to me Sep 11 04:53:43 ShadSEC: no - because the /dev/pts/# is not always the same Sep 11 04:54:25 jpix, isnt there a pattern? I mean... how do you find out whats the # is using? manually Sep 11 04:54:27 ShadSEC, granted it would for most people but once you get the hang of it, you won't find yourself to still be alienated :) Sep 11 04:55:28 ShadSEC: su $USER and ask for a screen - it'll complain and tell me which /dev/pts/# it was trying to use - so I go back to root and chown that one Sep 11 04:56:25 psycho, i was considering setting up a scratchbox... but now that I have native compiling I doubt I will Sep 11 04:56:56 jpinx, ok, you can redirect stddr to a file Sep 11 04:57:03 ShadSEC, fair enough Sep 11 04:57:03 and grep /dev/pts it Sep 11 04:58:12 ShadSEC: that'll tell me which /dev/pts/# but I still need root to chown it Sep 11 05:00:24 screen 2>&1 | grep "dev/pts" .... Sep 11 05:00:34 mmmm, gainroot? Sep 11 05:01:57 it's a chroot, I only have to exit the user I am su'd into Sep 11 05:02:08 mmmmm Sep 11 05:02:45 ShadSEC: I'll work on it - the manual fix is no sweat, so it's not a high priority - just a niggle Sep 11 05:02:51 you can always make you script to communicate to another one outside the chroot using netcat to do the chown for you Sep 11 05:03:03 but I am sure there are simpler ways :) Sep 11 05:03:19 i'm having problems flashing Sep 11 05:03:30 ShadSEC: I need to look at how /dev/pts# are allocated and maybe i can predict before I su as $USER Sep 11 05:03:58 that's it Sep 11 05:04:02 it pissed me off Sep 11 05:04:10 you can also use group permissions Sep 11 05:04:15 i'm tiered of people making forum the trash Sep 11 05:04:31 ShadSEC: yea - didn't think of that ;) Sep 11 05:04:33 give rw group permision to all pts Sep 11 05:04:39 and make the user be part of that group Sep 11 05:04:42 ugly, but.... Sep 11 05:06:08 ShadSEC: it's only a chroot ;) Sep 11 05:06:25 yep, and in a damn phone :P Sep 11 05:06:41 http://pastebin.com/vWbsuT1q can someone look at this pastie of mine concerning my n900 and flasher Sep 11 05:07:55 which btw I am going to throw out of the windows if i cant make this thing to work before i go to bed :( Sep 11 05:11:04 yikes Sep 11 05:12:03 it justs keeps on resetting itself and not getting picked up Sep 11 05:13:58 jpinx, any idea? Sep 11 05:14:57 ShadSEC: :) Sep 11 05:15:23 openstandards: I've reflashed a few times with no issues at all Sep 11 05:15:43 so - no - sorry I have no idea about errors there Sep 11 05:18:07 jpinx, have you tried configuring wlan0 from command line? there's something not working ... Sep 11 05:18:39 ShadSEC: no - I haven't explored all that from the chroot yet - it's on my todo Sep 11 05:18:54 everything is correctly setup but it just dont associate Sep 11 05:19:23 I would need to know what exact commands is the connections manager using... Sep 11 05:19:45 its uninportant from the the chroot or outside Sep 11 05:19:53 it isnt working either for me :( Sep 11 05:21:11 true - you should be able to do it from withing the chroot without issues - I need to look into all that Sep 11 05:21:30 currently I cheat and use the wifi of my laptop over ssh/usb Sep 11 05:22:15 mmmmmm Sep 11 05:22:32 i havent tried the usb networking yet Sep 11 05:22:48 but I am going to have to bite the bullet this weekend and get the "normal2 networking to behave Sep 11 05:23:21 usb networking was not too difficult to configure, just get the gateway and static IP's right Sep 11 05:23:58 jpix, its windows on this side... Sep 11 05:24:18 use Putty? Sep 11 05:24:33 yeah, I mean the usb networking setup Sep 11 05:24:36 never tried Sep 11 05:25:03 anyway I am ssh'ing via wifi-internet-3g-n900 Sep 11 05:25:04 yea - putty in windows will give you linux-like ssh Sep 11 05:25:35 only problem is that i has a considerable lag Sep 11 05:25:38 it Sep 11 05:26:01 what does ? My usb is fast Sep 11 05:26:27 yep, usb might be better, perhaps tomorrow i will set it up Sep 11 05:27:02 anyway is managng the wifi from command line what is giving me a headache Sep 11 05:27:32 and it should be very easy, i dont understand it Sep 11 05:28:26 ok - see you tomorrow maybe - I'm off Sep 11 05:28:56 wohoo i've manage to unbrick it Sep 11 05:29:17 see you jpinx Sep 11 05:29:26 cyas jpinx Sep 11 05:30:55 ShadSEC, a nice tool for when i used windows in the past was winscp....coping files over ssh :) Sep 11 05:34:24 grrr, talk.maemo.org broken again somehow Sep 11 05:34:50 openstandards, yes, all about shh is great Sep 11 05:36:18 it is i love logging into my servers all the time Sep 11 05:37:23 since flashing my phones lagging on everything Sep 11 05:37:34 on the n900 how are you supposed to bring up the software on screen keyboard? Sep 11 05:47:49 it seems i have this problem since the first day, the virtual keyboard just won't show up when it should. Sep 11 06:24:10 how can i make XChat join both Maemo and NITDroid channels on startup? Sep 11 06:24:21 at the moment it only joins Maemo Sep 11 06:53:49 hmm, that's cute... kroll installs things under /home/user/ Sep 11 08:40:11 anyone around to help? Sep 11 08:40:56 i was just using the n900 optimized website version of google maps... Sep 11 08:41:31 when it asked "do you want this website to use your location" Sep 11 08:41:40 i said "yes always" Sep 11 08:42:04 but now i want to change that back to always ask Sep 11 08:42:22 anyone know how? Sep 11 08:46:59 Munkiii: ask timeless Sep 11 08:49:38 good morning folks Sep 11 08:53:51 good morning MNZ Sep 11 09:28:40 finally fixed it :) did some updates on my n900 and then majority of images wouldn't load in any browser.. had to set user agent back.. Sep 11 09:38:19 hmm Sep 11 09:38:31 Destroid the game Sep 11 09:38:37 announced here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58837 Sep 11 09:38:50 says that its high scores are stored in /home/opt/ ... Sep 11 09:39:16 I thought user apps couldn't write into anywhere outside /home/user normally Sep 11 09:40:10 mm, of course they can Sep 11 09:40:16 uups, omm i meant Sep 11 09:43:13 secyritas, hmm Sep 11 09:43:16 Nokia-N900:/root$ cd /home/opt Sep 11 09:43:16 Nokia-N900:/home/opt$ touch hmm Sep 11 09:43:16 touch: hmm: Permission denied Sep 11 09:43:16 Nokia-N900:/home/opt$ Sep 11 09:43:30 (as user) Sep 11 09:48:19 * lcuk says meh and goes to the Science and Industry museum Sep 11 10:13:45 lcuk: where are you? Sep 11 10:13:56 hmm, manchester Sep 11 10:45:42 does anyone know if I could run mobile-hotspot with these modules here: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/2.6.28-omap1/ ? Sep 11 10:51:04 Has anyone did any measuremets on how long battery will last when ssh kept open all day (say irc open on channel like this) with hight compression and nocompression at all? Sep 11 10:52:12 Zucca: wifi or gprs/umts? Sep 11 10:52:55 kerio: gprs/umts. Sep 11 10:53:04 Zucca: hahaha Sep 11 10:53:11 i'd say 8 hours Sep 11 10:53:14 and i'm being optimistic Sep 11 10:54:07 kerio: It lasts my whole works day, but what I'm interested is wow ssh compression affects this. Sep 11 10:54:15 it doesn't, really Sep 11 10:54:29 (damn typos) Sep 11 10:55:06 Yeah. I think I has very little meaning... Sep 11 10:56:45 I keep ssh conccention open all the day. Usually it lasts cloes to 10 hrs. Sep 11 10:57:09 When I keep... Sep 11 11:05:24 hello Sep 11 11:05:41 how can I install ffmpeg on n900 device Sep 11 11:05:46 any help Sep 11 11:09:45 :( you want to do encoding on your n900 Sep 11 11:09:47 ? Sep 11 11:14:14 sure, to share videos with other devices for e.g. Sep 11 11:14:32 that can't play your existing format Sep 11 11:14:38 would be a nice gui program Sep 11 11:14:51 'encode for' 'nokia e71' Sep 11 11:16:21 no Sep 11 11:16:26 nandan: There is a complex answer - and there is http://www.mauve.plus.com/test/ffmpeg Sep 11 11:16:39 i want to install ffmpeg on n900 Sep 11 11:16:52 for playing video Sep 11 11:16:55 (in around a minute) Sep 11 11:17:07 now i think we can play only mp4 Sep 11 11:17:22 ffmpeg does not play video Sep 11 11:17:22 ffplay will play video, but not sanely. Sep 11 11:17:24 It plays on the raw framebuffer device Sep 11 11:17:35 umm - wrong Sep 11 11:17:45 mplayer and the media player will play lots of types of files Sep 11 11:18:02 ya .....but for ffplay u need ffmpeg to install Sep 11 11:18:04 ffplay would need ported to run sanely Sep 11 11:18:13 no you don't. Sep 11 11:18:23 ffplay and ffmpeg are quite seperate binaries Sep 11 11:18:53 ffplay cannot be used sanely on the n900 without porting, which as far as I'm aware, nobodies done. Sep 11 11:18:56 ya binary r separate but comes with name ffmpeg source code Sep 11 11:20:04 URL http://www.mauve.plus.com/test/ffmpeg is not valid one Sep 11 11:20:14 I deleted it Sep 11 11:20:26 As you said you weren't looking for ffmpeg Sep 11 11:20:31 ya Sep 11 11:20:59 in general can u suggest hoe can i install a package on n900 Sep 11 11:21:13 which is ment for x86 arc Sep 11 11:21:22 For a random package, get the package source, port it to maemo, compile. Sep 11 11:21:45 i have tried with ffmpeg Sep 11 11:21:53 and got some error Sep 11 11:22:08 For ffmpeg - the porting is null - just compile it. For ffplay - it's quite complex, and you need to implement some sort of window awareness. Sep 11 11:23:05 while configuring I got error like Sep 11 11:23:06 I don't remember any significant errors. Sep 11 11:23:08 Unable to create temporary file in /var/tmp. Sep 11 11:23:13 well - fix that Sep 11 11:23:26 how to fix that Sep 11 11:23:36 as i m compiling as root Sep 11 11:23:52 On the n900? Sep 11 11:23:58 ya Sep 11 11:24:14 Move a copy of / into a chroot on /home - and compile there. Sep 11 11:24:26 You don't want to compile on the base system, for a number of reasons. Sep 11 11:25:02 Also - what you will end up with is a ffplay that plays flickery images in the corner of the framebuffer, overlayed badly over the existing content, with no UI at all. Sep 11 11:25:51 actually i installed ffmpeg using apt-get Sep 11 11:26:12 and that plays video well using ffplay Sep 11 11:26:29 Well - someones ported it then. Sep 11 11:26:31 now i want to compile ffmpeg 4m svn Sep 11 11:26:46 So do. Sep 11 11:26:54 Get the source of the package ffmpeg Sep 11 11:26:58 ya Sep 11 11:26:59 Compare with stock ffmpeg Sep 11 11:27:08 Patch those changes over Sep 11 11:27:10 compile Sep 11 11:27:44 how can i get source code that i installed using apt-get Sep 11 11:29:08 http://maemo.org/packages/view/ffmpeg/ Sep 11 11:29:37 thanks SpeedEvil Sep 11 11:30:00 also can u tell how to install a new os /image on N900 Sep 11 11:30:22 Flash it. Sep 11 11:31:06 ya how to do that Sep 11 11:31:57 ~flashing Sep 11 11:31:57 rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 11 11:52:57 is there a applet to check batterie capacity and powerconsumtion during uptime of N900. Mein N900 stopped once, and I'm not shure, wether it's due to emptiy batterie. Sep 11 11:53:33 pog: u can see that when starting it again Sep 11 11:53:54 pog: if it crashed it will tell you, if it didnt not, then there wont be a message Sep 11 11:54:08 it didn't seem to start. After hanging on the Adapter, it worked again, later. Sep 11 11:54:28 ah it can be seen when it was a crash. Sep 11 11:54:30 pog: Do you know what a shellscript is? Sep 11 11:54:35 yes Sep 11 11:54:51 I know Linux rather well. Sep 11 11:54:58 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management Sep 11 11:55:12 thanks, I will have a look at that. Sep 11 11:55:15 An unpolished script - I hope to release a nice version of trhis this week to extras Sep 11 11:55:16 Also Sep 11 11:55:27 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Sep 11 11:55:32 pog: low battery will trigger a clean shutdown Sep 11 11:55:40 it will help me, thanks a lot Sep 11 11:56:12 o.k. then I can see, that the shutdown was o.k., if there is no error... Sep 11 11:56:36 pog: on top of that, whenever *my* n900 crashes i have to remove the battery Sep 11 11:56:55 may be, it's even possible to write a message in this case. Sep 11 11:57:23 I is well possible, that it was a power problem. Sep 11 11:57:49 otherwise, my N900 runs reliably. Sep 11 11:57:51 lcukn900: well, the app could have its own user/group that has the permissions to write in a specific directory Sep 11 11:58:15 pog: my n900 crashes due to some pressure, in my pocket, not otherwise Sep 11 11:58:34 it crashes due to pressure? Sep 11 11:58:42 What is it? A problem with its bladder? Sep 11 11:58:53 ah, that's not so good. Sep 11 12:00:05 I got a extra box for the N900, I hope this avoids the pressure problems... Sep 11 12:00:59 Pressure problems indicate a loose joint somehere thart is not likely to get better Sep 11 12:01:02 I might also be a contact with the batterie which fails, when moving the device. Sep 11 12:01:05 Or maybe loose battery contacts Sep 11 12:01:08 I've had that Sep 11 12:01:18 valdyn: not exactly clean shutdown Sep 11 12:01:27 with a tiny screwdriver, press the battery contacts a little towards the middle. Sep 11 12:01:33 So they grab the pins more firmly Sep 11 12:02:02 SpeedEvil: i always have to remove the battery after such a crash Sep 11 12:02:35 valdyn: hmm. I'd say the first then. Sep 11 12:03:10 maybe ill just return it before warranty is over Sep 11 12:03:25 yep Sep 11 12:03:29 try flashing it first Sep 11 12:04:28 either way the n900 has to many places where dust creeps in, maybe its just that Sep 11 12:05:58 but somebody already had that problem Sep 11 12:06:04 that phone doesn't shut down correctly Sep 11 12:06:28 it does shut down correctly Sep 11 12:06:37 just not when it crashes Sep 11 12:07:29 and it doesnt crash without physical contact or pressure of some kind that only happens when like sitting on it Sep 11 12:07:55 it may be crack on pcb Sep 11 12:07:57 or something Sep 11 12:07:57 jeans + n900 = always some pressure, but i cant reproduce it reliably Sep 11 12:12:28 thanks for the hints.. Sep 11 12:12:53 try flashing it Sep 11 12:12:58 it may be just something ellse Sep 11 12:13:01 else* Sep 11 12:13:05 and if that doesn't help Sep 11 12:13:11 then send it back Sep 11 12:15:55 you sit on your phone? Sep 11 12:16:10 Depending on your weight, I'd understand the phone crashes. Sep 11 12:16:32 :D Sep 11 12:17:44 * crashanddie starts writing MyChair and uploads it to devel. A software protective shield for all you phat geeks who sit on your phone, and have too much flab to feel it. Sep 11 12:18:47 apple is releasing the iSit very soon Sep 11 12:19:37 There are ways round that problem. iButtPlug Sep 11 12:20:08 "If we're all God's children, what's so special about Jesus?" Sep 11 12:44:39 hello. I would like to ask something, I am using ubuntu is it possible to take a source app that I run on ubuntu and compile it to use on N900 running maemo? Sep 11 12:45:42 with qt, maybe Sep 11 12:46:09 l5test Sep 11 12:46:17 so i cant just take let's say xchat, cand compile it in my phone to get it running as it is? Sep 11 12:46:19 In principle, yes. Sep 11 12:46:25 apt-get install xchat Sep 11 12:46:50 You can compile GTK/QT apps, and they 'just' work. Sep 11 12:46:55 is apt-get working on maemo? sorry if I ask dumb questions but I see maemo as another distro.. I don't know if it's debian based or not Sep 11 12:46:57 For various values of work. Sep 11 12:47:07 xchat is in extras Sep 11 12:48:15 nice! is there a list of what packages that are included in the repos? (both enabled and disabled (if any)) Sep 11 12:48:21 is it maemo.org/packages ? Sep 11 12:48:36 yes Sep 11 12:48:40 IIRC Sep 11 12:49:50 thank you. I would also like to see a list of phones running maemo as I only know of Nokia N900 atm :\ is there a better one? what phones do you own? Sep 11 12:50:39 only n900 Sep 11 12:50:40 Antonis: your list seems to be complete Sep 11 12:51:15 oh :p Sep 11 12:51:26 okay then! thanks Sep 11 12:51:55 expecting maemo to work on some other devices? lol Sep 11 12:53:11 a list of phones? Sep 11 12:53:17 the n900 is not a phone Sep 11 12:54:03 problem is that when a device has phone capability, people assume its a phone Sep 11 12:54:19 especially small handheld devices Sep 11 12:54:34 the n900 *has* a phone Sep 11 12:54:40 phone: noun, an instrument for reproducing sounds at a distance; specifically : one in which sound is converted into electrical impulses for transmission (as by wire or radio waves) Sep 11 12:54:50 it's right there as phonet0 Sep 11 12:55:08 liori: so a computer is a phone? Sep 11 12:55:25 kerio: Go away. It's sold as a phone, it's a phone. Move on. Sep 11 12:55:32 wireless dongles/cards would also be deemed as a phone ;) Sep 11 12:55:48 bluetooth, 3G/HSDPA/HSUPA/etc Sep 11 12:56:07 kerio: yes, of course, as long as it has software... Sep 11 12:57:43 nokia does sell it as a phone so I call it a phone :P Sep 11 12:58:09 the n900 integrates a screenless phone Sep 11 12:58:24 that's used to route audio calls and gprs data Sep 11 12:58:37 I am just affraid that 256MB of ram isn't enough Sep 11 12:59:06 Antonis: you just made me feel old Sep 11 12:59:31 lol, why is that? Sep 11 13:00:01 i used to do quite a lot on a 1MB machine Sep 11 13:00:31 256M is fine. Sep 11 13:00:35 More would benicer. Sep 11 13:00:36 256MB RAM with 768MB swap that sits on Flash based memory and you're saying its not enough? Sep 11 13:00:45 But the problems are not RAM based Sep 11 13:00:57 does anyone know how to clear the cache for the email application? it literally takes 20 seconds to open an email now, and it never used to :( Sep 11 13:01:09 Modest is pure crap Sep 11 13:01:39 indeed it is. within the first few days after i reflash, it was quick. opened an email in 2-3 secs. now it takes upwards of 20-30secs Sep 11 13:01:50 psycho_oreos: in other words, just 256 MB Sep 11 13:01:58 psycho_oreos: flash memory is SLOW Sep 11 13:02:26 Antonis: Nokia *doesn't* sell it as a phone… Sep 11 13:02:35 luke-jr: Bullshit Sep 11 13:02:38 at least nowhere I've seen Sep 11 13:02:55 luke-jr, it isn't that bad, it could just be pure 256MB like iphone 3/3G and you'll have to put up with killed applications/quitting applications because there simply isn't enough RAM no? Sep 11 13:02:58 their site says Sep 11 13:03:03 "mobile computer" Sep 11 13:03:12 * kerio hugs luke-jr Sep 11 13:03:17 psycho_oreos: not sure which is worse Sep 11 13:03:19 http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products/all-phones/nokia-n900?intc=estore-fw-ilc-bdy-con-na-nokiacom-gb-6-brandn900_228x96 Sep 11 13:03:37 Page title. 'buy the nokia n900 mobile phone here' Sep 11 13:03:45 luke-jr, I think 256MB RAM with no ability to setup swap is worse Sep 11 13:03:58 luke-jr, try n95-1 (non-NAM version) Sep 11 13:05:03 cute Sep 11 13:05:12 N900 isn't even listed in Nokia USA's store anymore Sep 11 13:05:36 haha. Sep 11 13:05:40 http://www.ovi.com/services/ Sep 11 13:05:49 Still pimps 'files' Sep 11 13:06:26 the rest of the uk page says "mobile computer" Sep 11 13:06:31 I think the phone bit was an error Sep 11 13:06:43 It is sold as a phoneby many carriers. Sep 11 13:06:56 haha yeah right Sep 11 13:07:03 like I'm going to believe carriers sell N900 Sep 11 13:07:09 yes Sep 11 13:07:11 they do Sep 11 13:07:15 Vodafone sells it Sep 11 13:07:18 luke-jr: in US, maybe not Sep 11 13:07:21 wtf is Vodafone? :P Sep 11 13:07:28 UK mobile phone network Sep 11 13:07:30 some nordic operator Sep 11 13:07:31 in sweden telenor (vodafone) sells it Sep 11 13:07:33 the first one here in the UK Sep 11 13:07:33 and eu Sep 11 13:07:37 and I think Comviq does as well Sep 11 13:07:54 in any case, those companies do *phone service* Sep 11 13:08:01 of course they're going to stress it as a "phone" Sep 11 13:08:12 http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ Sep 11 13:08:13 orange planned to sell it in poland, but they changed their mind Sep 11 13:08:14 luke-jr: what about the dell streak? Sep 11 13:08:19 h3g ita does sell it Sep 11 13:08:35 liori: then again n900 is fairly expensive for a typical pole pay.. Sep 11 13:09:17 oscillik: what about it Sep 11 13:09:33 it's sold by carriers over here, and that's not a phone Sep 11 13:09:37 Stskeeps: this is not a device for typical person Sep 11 13:10:06 yeah, that i know Sep 11 13:10:06 :P Sep 11 13:10:36 and IT people earn more even in poland :-) Sep 11 13:10:51 because a typical person would use a mobile phone Sep 11 13:11:46 kerio: there's more cell phones than people in the world IIRC :P Sep 11 13:12:14 last i heard, italy's cellphones/people avg. was at like 6 Sep 11 13:13:59 i have three Sep 11 13:19:25 Stskeeps: cheaper than iphone but more people have iphone Sep 11 13:19:36 :nod: Sep 11 13:19:52 the iphone is hip Sep 11 13:20:00 i guess it says a lot about the attitude when most commercials for these type of products come with "X zt per month" announcements instead of the whole price.. Sep 11 13:20:01 it's also a phone Sep 11 13:20:34 is it possible to run meego on n900? Sep 11 13:20:37 but the thing is that same contract with same phone costs 50% mroe in poland Sep 11 13:20:39 Antonis: yes Sep 11 13:21:11 and apple stuff sometimes costs 3x as much as everywhere else Sep 11 13:21:19 that's normal Sep 11 13:22:01 jacekowski, is it something like an upgrade or? I mean if I buy n900 it will run maemo 5. how can I install meego? Sep 11 13:22:21 I think you'll find it will cost x amounts over the normal pricing compared to buying it direct from the source of manufacture :p Sep 11 13:22:25 Antonis: google Sep 11 13:22:43 Antonis: but it's not going to be supported Sep 11 13:23:06 psycho_oreos: you still need a contract Sep 11 13:23:11 and its not complete Sep 11 13:23:31 jacekowski, yes, no diff, that's typical of apple's stance ;) Sep 11 13:23:31 and here contract with 400minutes and texts and internet costs £25 which would be around 110zl Sep 11 13:24:08 bah t-mobile is doing £10/mo with internet and 60 minutes and texts Sep 11 13:31:15 N900 is a handset Sep 11 13:31:15 :P Sep 11 13:32:01 Antonis: meego is not useful right now Sep 11 13:32:07 Antonis: except for developers Sep 11 13:32:48 i'm on giffgaff Sep 11 13:32:54 valdyn, yeap I read about it.. but i also read that it will not be supported or released for n900. Sep 11 13:33:08 Only a developer version will be Sep 11 13:33:13 or is Sep 11 13:42:02 DOes anyone know of a way to see the distribution of 1, 2 .. 5 star ratings for an individual app in the Extras repository? Sep 11 13:56:09 Ken-Young: how so? Sep 11 13:57:52 crashanddie, I'm just wondering if there is a way to see the distribution of different star ratings a particular app listed on memo.org has. Sep 11 13:58:07 s/memo.org/maemo.org/ Sep 11 13:58:07 Ken-Young meant: crashanddie, I'm just wondering if there is a way to see the distribution of different star ratings a particular app listed on maemo.org has. Sep 11 13:58:14 Ken-Young: based on the versions of a specific app? Sep 11 14:00:02 crashanddie, maemo.org shows a sort of graphic representation of the average number of stars users have given an app in their ratings. It also lists how many ratings have been issued. I was hoping there was a way to find the number of 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 star ratings there were, that produced the average shown." Sep 11 14:00:21 ah Sep 11 14:00:26 not available AFAIK Sep 11 14:00:57 crashanddie, OK, thanks. It's certainly not an important thing. I was just curious. Sep 11 14:01:35 a'ok Sep 11 14:01:48 what is new and exciting? Sep 11 14:05:39 Quick Question : Hermes doesn't seem to import my facebook contact birthdays. I checked and it's a reported bug. Sep 11 14:05:47 * GAN900 wants an A15 for his file server. Sep 11 14:06:17 I cloned the source code. Would I have to get the whole maemo sdk. If I want to work on hermes? Sep 11 14:06:41 I have a couple of spare hours. I thought I'll try to fix the bug :) Sep 11 14:08:25 hahaha http://www.koreus.com/video/pasteque-face.html Sep 11 14:08:37 Why do people come to bookstores and ask for Kindles? Sep 11 14:22:44 Holy piece of shit Sep 11 14:22:58 "kindle" = "ebook reader" Sep 11 14:23:01 Can't unlock this thing without entering swap hell. Sep 11 14:23:07 like "google", you know... Sep 11 14:23:23 GAN: swappiness to 30, quit ham Sep 11 14:25:41 RST38h: Where's the value for swappiness again? Sep 11 14:26:36 a moment Sep 11 14:27:13 Jaffa: /etc/init.d/rcS Sep 11 14:27:54 /proc/sys/vm/swappiness Sep 11 14:28:17 RST38h: jacekowski: thanks Sep 11 14:30:29 is there any way to force application to fullscreen when using X forwaring. I use spotify from my desktop, but the search form is under the left corner menu (where clock and stuff are) Sep 11 14:30:52 -geom Sep 11 14:30:54 ? Sep 11 14:31:06 -geom? tell me more? Sep 11 14:32:02 http://www.xfree86.org/current/X.7.html#sect6 Sep 11 15:01:28 Khertan_, !! Sep 11 15:02:56 lcuk !! Sep 11 15:03:39 afternoon frals Sep 11 15:03:50 ello Sep 11 15:03:52 hows you? Sep 11 15:04:34 I am ok, had a (cut short) visit to the Manchester Museum of Science and Technology with Tracy n Jake Sep 11 15:07:57 Those are always fun. Sep 11 15:08:05 Minus the cutting of the durationing. Sep 11 15:09:40 GAN900, yeah - theres loads to see and play with - plus theres trains, so its actually easy to convince jake to go Sep 11 15:09:54 :D Sep 11 15:10:54 Sounds like we could use the same incentive for frals. Sep 11 15:11:36 theres a trout museum in Helsinki :P Sep 11 15:12:11 I dunno how, but I had not seen the textiles area last time I went Sep 11 15:12:27 they had an awesome Jacquard loom which took punch cards Sep 11 15:12:37 * lcuk got photos and will decode them Sep 11 15:12:43 The one on Baltimore has a massive barb- and razor-wire collection. Sep 11 15:12:46 Complete history. Sep 11 15:13:15 Didn't /. have a story about punchcard looms the other day? Sep 11 15:13:20 idk Sep 11 15:17:22 GAN900, i hope thats one collection thats not really hands on! Sep 11 15:26:54 a rather generic look at application installation and updates Sep 11 15:26:57 http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2010/09/07/linux-and-application-installing/ Sep 11 15:30:01 how do i switch to the phone storage of the sim card? Sep 11 15:31:19 for what? Sep 11 15:32:12 Contacts? Sep 11 15:32:28 Why would you want to store on SIM? Sep 11 15:32:34 you can access them from the contacts Sep 11 15:32:40 menu->groups->SIM Sep 11 15:37:28 GAN900, technically contacts stored on sim are easier to switch between devices (switch sim, contacts go with it etc) Sep 11 15:37:37 but the contacts on n900 are more advanced and stuff Sep 11 15:48:32 anyway, there's no method in maemo to store contacts to SIM, that I know of Sep 11 15:48:43 just import _from_ SIM Sep 11 15:49:59 you *might* be able to edit SIM contacts using Kandy or gnokii Sep 11 15:50:37 or via pnatd, the generic way :-P Sep 11 16:04:33 * DocScrutinizer ponders idly to write an exploit for http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb10-14.html maemo Sep 11 16:05:00 and make free phone calls?:) Sep 11 16:06:53 Seems it really needs an exploit out in the wild, for Nokia starts feeling like getting active Sep 11 16:08:03 or has there been any security fix update to flashplayer on maemo that I missed? Sep 11 16:11:33 Which will lead to PR1.3 that removes flash Sep 11 16:11:43 timeless: this security advisory is ~10 weeks old now. Are you aware of any action Nokia is planing to address this vulnerability? Sep 11 16:12:14 SpeedEvil: heh :-P Sep 11 16:14:08 pr1.3 ? which will come out AFTER duke nukem forever is released? :p Sep 11 16:17:27 Gh0sty: exactly :-P Sep 11 16:19:26 You mean, after pr1.3 removes flash all the Sep 11 16:19:42 Ha Sep 11 16:19:45 FIXED Sep 11 16:19:48 sepeople will stop whining about lack of flash10 support? Sep 11 16:19:53 We dropped Flash. Sep 11 16:21:54 Gh0sty: huh? DNF will be released in 2011 Sep 11 16:22:31 GAN900: honestly, even a hotfix from Nokia disabling flash all together - **until proper measure (update to flash10.1.53.64) is taken** - would be much better, than just ignoring the issue completely Sep 11 16:24:30 DocScrutinizer, yes, but this is NOKIA. Sep 11 16:24:58 GAN900: while Nokia never promised to support and develop maemo beyond what you got when buying the device, I think they still are liable for fixing critical vulnerabilities in their products Sep 11 16:25:32 Doc: Apparently, Nokia never even promised to make Cut&Paste work in Modest Sep 11 16:25:58 Doc: So, looks like relying on Nokia promising anything is kinda fruitless Sep 11 16:26:30 means users could sue them for all damage suffered from some exploit using this flash vulnerability Sep 11 16:26:51 You can, of course, sue Nokia, but why? Sep 11 16:28:22 RST38h: *I* won't do that. I said *users* caould, and I don't know *why* they usually do Sep 11 16:28:38 users won't buy it anymore Sep 11 16:28:44 and there goes a good product ... Sep 11 16:29:01 Doc: Users will (and do) take the easier route Sep 11 16:29:09 Doc: They are buying Android Sep 11 16:32:00 RST38h: buying andridiot device won't pay the carrier bill of any N900 user who suffered an exploit of flash vulnerability and found his phone calling 0900-* premium charged numbers without him noticing Sep 11 16:33:01 Doc: But it will prevent that from happening again and provide the user with reasonable support for his newdevice Sep 11 16:33:24 maybe, but that's not exactly the point of my rant Sep 11 16:34:57 Doc: Your rant is about Nokia absolutely having to update N900 Flash player NOW Sep 11 16:35:19 Doc: You know the answer to that - No. We do not care. We do not have to. We are the phone company. Sep 11 16:35:24 yes, or at least take any other action to cope with the threat Sep 11 16:35:31 Doc: So there is no reason to rant, won't change a thing Sep 11 16:37:39 AAAArggg I have a blue light flashing on my n810 and it won't go away. No applications open, no updates available, not logged into chat, i reboot and it come back after boot. any suggestions? Sep 11 16:39:52 sevard: use dbus-monitor started during boot, to find out which process is sending a comand to mce to start that blue flashing Sep 11 16:42:07 * RST38h desperately wants Oolite for N900 Sep 11 16:42:16 OOlite? Sep 11 16:42:32 ah Sep 11 16:42:37 might be any process started during boot that thinks there's something new (an unread mail or anything) that needs blue flashing to signal to user about it, then later this process quits ungracefully and mce never gets notice to stop the blue flashing Sep 11 16:45:13 DocScrutinizer: what.. should dbus be saying Sep 11 16:45:17 sevard: also mce itself might got confused, check mce.ini file if it maybe was changed in a way mce doesn't like Sep 11 16:48:43 sevard: something like `dbus-monitor --system | grep -C15 led_pattern Sep 11 16:49:09 sevard: refer to http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-activate-led Sep 11 17:01:53 RST38h, I know aegidian and Ahruman from Redline. Sep 11 17:02:01 RST38h, I guess I need to convince them. Sep 11 17:02:48 yessss Sep 11 17:02:54 <3 DocScrutinizer Sep 11 17:03:18 Oolite is written in that horrible ObjectiveC thing andrequires the whole OpenNeXTstep framework Sep 11 17:03:37 So, not sure how easy it will be to port... Sep 11 17:09:33 sevard: so what's been the cause? Sep 11 17:12:12 RST38h, ah, right, forgot about that. Sep 11 17:12:31 Perhaps if you buy them both N900s and give them about $10k. Sep 11 17:13:56 <`Francesca_Lucch> does n900 have any good headsets with controller"? Sep 11 17:15:13 no Sep 11 17:16:23 ...or simply run Spectrumversion on Speccy... Sep 11 17:17:22 ehh? Sep 11 17:17:25 <`Francesca_Lucch> ｔｈａｔ　ｓｕｘ　ｉｖｅ　ｒｅａｄｅ　ｂｌｕｔｏｏｔｈ　ｏｎｃｅ　ｓｕｃｋ　ｔｏ Sep 11 17:17:48 `Francesca_Lucch: stop that! Sep 11 17:18:06 <`Francesca_Lucch> stop what ? Sep 11 17:18:22 <`Francesca_Lucch> dont tell me youre client dont support it Sep 11 17:18:29 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=799047#post799047 Sep 11 17:18:37 it does not Sep 11 17:18:38 <`Francesca_Lucch> utf-8 show and encode Sep 11 17:18:51 `Francesca_Lucch: simply stop it Sep 11 17:20:05 <`Francesca_Lucch> lame Sep 11 17:20:07 <`Francesca_Lucch> ohwell Sep 11 17:20:12 btw ""that sux ive reade blutooth once suck to"" doesn't make any sense at all, not to talk about spelling Sep 11 17:20:18 <`Francesca_Lucch> seems i go for headphones only Sep 11 17:20:41 <`Francesca_Lucch> well sorry my english is not perfect Sep 11 17:20:48 <`Francesca_Lucch> its not even 10% Sep 11 17:21:02 <`Francesca_Lucch> im only dutch afterall Sep 11 17:21:56 <`Francesca_Lucch> so is there no plugin that can fix the headset controllers ? Sep 11 17:22:08 no. Sep 11 17:22:51 <`Francesca_Lucch> darn i thought nokia would add something to support it , its a nokia afterall Sep 11 17:23:07 no. Sep 11 17:26:07 I remember reading about some deamon that could bind those keys. Just search the forums Sep 11 17:31:40 Dassu: not for wired headsets. For BT it actually should work Sep 11 17:34:49 refer to tmo post, link above Sep 11 17:34:49 <`Francesca_Lucch> so bt headsets work humm Sep 11 17:35:16 <`Francesca_Lucch> tobad the bd once are crap Sep 11 17:39:52 Hu Sep 11 17:40:00 hey, since today my n900 tells me "network connection error, try again?" whenever I try to connect to a wireless network, gprs/umts works though, anywhere I can get a more decent error message? Sep 11 17:40:41 hey merline i saw on #liqbase to see #maemo :P Sep 11 17:40:41 try ifupping it Sep 11 17:41:17 merlin1991, retry as suggested, if it still doesnt work, reboot and pop out the battery and spin device around 270degrees Sep 11 17:41:23 the spinning is important Sep 11 17:42:27 hello Sep 11 17:42:32 hm sudo ifup wlan0 --> ifup ignoring unkown interface wlan0 Sep 11 17:42:48 Just a very simple question. Sep 11 17:43:08 Anybody running OS2008 on there N800? Sep 11 17:44:03 skibur, isnt that the latest one for n800? Sep 11 17:44:05 i am Sep 11 17:44:28 Diablo would be the latest Sep 11 17:44:46 yea i have that Sep 11 17:44:55 survey done ? :) Sep 11 17:45:48 ok Sep 11 17:46:40 hm kerio, ifup eth0 --> ifup: don't seem to have all the variables for eth0/inet Sep 11 17:49:58 any ideas what I could try, except flashing? Sep 11 17:50:10 reboot Sep 11 17:50:13 battery out etc Sep 11 17:50:24 DocScrutinizer, (reading scrollback) don't be a fucktart Sep 11 17:50:26 d Sep 11 17:50:44 what? Sep 11 17:50:48 btw all I can think of what I did regarding networking, was playing around with /etc/resolv.conf a bit Sep 11 17:51:06 your suggestion earlier. Sep 11 17:51:44 sorry, but seems you need to elaborate Sep 11 17:52:45 nahh i will let you decide which one of your suggestions I would feel so strongly against Sep 11 17:53:04 sorry, I'll fail on that task Sep 11 17:53:39 ~flashing Sep 11 17:53:40 from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 11 17:57:10 kulve: ping Sep 11 17:58:41 lcuk: I hope you don't consider writing and publishing an exploit PoC without rogue payload a fucktard thing Sep 11 17:59:05 anyone has any idea where to get powertop? Sep 11 18:00:02 felipec: http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ Sep 11 18:00:26 You may or may not find http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management#Powertop useful too Sep 11 18:00:26 ok, SpeedEvil was faster than me. Sep 11 18:01:07 hmm, I thought I had enabled extras-devel Sep 11 18:01:13 anyway, maybe it helps for something: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333#post491333 Sep 11 18:07:33 DocScrutinizer: thanks, but I guess the one in extras-devel should be the latest one Sep 11 18:09:27 sure Sep 11 18:19:43 * merlin1991 flashed, lets see if it helps Sep 11 18:20:43 hmm, I get crashes with powertop Sep 11 18:23:57 felipec, hmm Sep 11 18:24:00 which build? Sep 11 18:24:36 1.13.3 Sep 11 18:26:25 You're not overclocking? Sep 11 18:26:51 Powrertop is as far as I'm aware doing nothing more than reading various /proc and /sys files Sep 11 18:26:56 Itr does nothing 'invasive' Sep 11 18:28:16 :) hi Sep 11 18:29:08 I just formated the internal mmc by mistake :P is it possible to get the 'default nokia files' somehow? Sep 11 18:30:00 SpeedEvil: nope, no overclocking Sep 11 18:30:37 Off. Sep 11 18:30:40 Odd Sep 11 18:42:41 howdy everybody, I'm wondering if anybody is syncing calendars from remote providers like Yahoo or Google with their maemo 5 devices? Sep 11 18:43:07 i do Sep 11 18:43:08 google Sep 11 18:43:18 Arkenoi: are you using GPE Calendar or something else? Sep 11 18:43:20 via MfE and Nuevasync Sep 11 18:43:36 no, just default calendar Sep 11 18:43:40 interesting Sep 11 18:43:44 what's MfE short for? Sep 11 18:44:00 mail for exchange Sep 11 18:44:10 ~mfe Sep 11 18:44:17 ah, I see: http://wiki.nuevasync.com/wiki/bin/view/Public/maemoConfiguration Sep 11 18:44:24 ~MfE is Mail for Exchange Sep 11 18:44:24 okay, jacekowski Sep 11 18:44:26 ~mfe Sep 11 18:44:26 extra, extra, read all about it, mfe is Mail for Exchange Sep 11 18:44:31 heh Sep 11 18:44:50 Arkenoi: and you trust nuevasync with your information like that o_O Sep 11 18:44:58 ~tmo Sep 11 18:44:58 i guess tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic Sep 11 18:45:18 ~mohammadag Sep 11 18:45:18 extra, extra, read all about it, mohammadag is a package maintainer that would jump off a cliff if crashanddie asked him to Sep 11 18:45:23 ouch, I got the buzzer sooner than expected Sep 11 18:45:41 rtyler: kind of. i have no other options ;-) Sep 11 18:46:13 so I suppose if I can find a way to setup an exchange-server that does forwarding of calendaring/contacts for my accounts, I'd be set Sep 11 18:46:15 there is syncevolution but i was unable to get it working Sep 11 18:46:34 some obscure errors on google side and that's all Sep 11 18:46:53 and direct MfE sync does not work as well Sep 11 18:47:36 direct to an exchange server? or direct to google? Sep 11 18:47:38 rtyler, if you know how to sync your exchange with your remote provider, it should work Sep 11 18:47:58 rtyler, direct to google, i have no exchange Sep 11 18:48:05 * rtyler nods Sep 11 18:49:54 jacekowski: so I suppose besides the MfE hack you don't have any other ideas for sync? Sep 11 18:50:05 * rtyler thinks syncevolution might be a bridge too far Sep 11 18:58:51 <`Francesca_Lucch> humm seems n900 has lots trouble connecting to a windows 7 system Sep 11 18:59:02 <`Francesca_Lucch> onlyone that works always is the memory card Sep 11 18:59:10 what the hell does "connecting to system" actually mean? Sep 11 18:59:19 <`Francesca_Lucch> but not the pc suite or the massa memory Sep 11 19:00:49 how can i make my phone recieve a message through bluetooth when entering bluetooth range? Sep 11 19:04:49 `Francesca_Lucch, I was able to connect it to a Windows 7 Professional x64 with Ovi Suite Sep 11 19:05:27 <`Francesca_Lucch> well it worked the 1st 20 times with connecting Sep 11 19:05:43 <`Francesca_Lucch> the icons came up under "my computer" Sep 11 19:05:55 <`Francesca_Lucch> but latly it dont Sep 11 19:47:55 what can the IR feature be used for besides controlling tvs? Sep 11 19:48:27 heyya: I've used it on cameras as well. Sep 11 19:49:46 I use it for controlling elephants. Sep 11 19:52:06 lol, what else? Sep 11 19:53:11 blind cameras with night vision Sep 11 19:53:19 so you can sneak past them without being recorded Sep 11 19:53:40 so when you steal stuff at night all they have is just nothing Sep 11 19:56:09 i dont think the IR port on the n900 is very powerful Sep 11 19:56:12 in terms of output Sep 11 19:57:23 enough to make your face invisible to the camera Sep 11 19:59:46 re there docs about provisioning an maemo phone through sms? Sep 11 20:02:38 My girlfriend just did the best lapsus ever Sep 11 20:02:43 Right in front of my grand-aunt Sep 11 20:02:55 I ask "You wanna go upstairs?" Sep 11 20:03:11 She replies "You wanna f[stutter]uck-Finish 'Finder's Fee'?" Sep 11 20:03:40 luckily, my grand aunt doesn't really understand English all that well. Sep 11 20:05:33 :) Sep 11 20:07:50 i want to provision wifi+sip settings through sms and it shouldn't matter what brand your phone is. Is that even possible? Sep 11 20:27:26 niekvlessert: no Sep 11 20:27:36 niekvlessert: most phones don't do sip Sep 11 20:27:44 and lot of them have no wifi Sep 11 20:27:54 you'll be suprised how many do these days... Sep 11 20:28:18 nobody uses it, but that's something else Sep 11 20:36:11 Whenever a new phone comes out it takes a few weeks before my operator has realized it and created settings for it Sep 11 20:36:20 so that makes me think it's all per-device Sep 11 20:36:32 instead of a generic format for settings Sep 11 20:36:47 I think N900 doesn't receive settings well :P Sep 11 20:36:55 I only got some broken WAP settings from my operator Sep 11 20:37:03 whereas with my E75 I even got SIP settings :-) Sep 11 20:41:50 you got SIP settings? great stuff Sep 11 20:42:00 i think those messages are kinda standard Sep 11 20:42:17 providers can't support all phones and all firmwares all the time Sep 11 20:42:24 so i guess it's the other way around Sep 11 20:42:40 the phone creators just should make 'm work Sep 11 20:43:51 jacekowski: which app turns on the IR port to try this blinding? Sep 11 20:45:27 There's an app for controlling digital cameras too Sep 11 20:45:29 iirc Sep 11 20:52:07 ShadowJK: yep, it's been revealed by german mag c't some years ago. All cmos cam chips have some IR decoder implemented in chip firmware/hardware, to control such things like freeze-frame, blackout whole picture or parts of it, even upload artifact frame data to expose via freeze-frame after upload finished. It's said the American CIA or NSA has a secret agreement with chip manufs for doing this Sep 11 20:53:43 actually cameras come with remotes these days Sep 11 20:55:02 ShadowJK: this is another channel to control the sensor chip directly though. Usable on virtually every surveillance cam, if you have the right remote control to send the IR codes directly to the sensor Sep 11 20:55:29 :-P Sep 11 21:05:57 <`Francesca_Lucch> humm solarwolf game dont work can anyone help me? Sep 11 21:14:57 DocScrutinizer, they tested this? Sep 11 21:16:33 they published an app that used those IR commands directed to CMOS cam chip. Alas I think it was the mag issue of end of March, 1st of April ;-D Sep 11 21:31:01 moin Sep 11 21:31:36 moin Sep 11 21:31:57 moin DocScrutinizer Sep 11 21:32:59 * GAN900 is out of cookies. :( Sep 11 21:34:41 evening folks Sep 11 21:38:46 DocScrutinizer, lol I just read all of that, and then april 1st tagline bologne! Sep 11 21:38:47 haha Sep 11 21:38:58 or punchline, rather Sep 11 21:54:31 what the fuck are you on about? Sep 11 21:55:30 does it matter? Sep 11 22:08:44 is there a tool to measure the battery drain? Sep 11 22:11:04 felipec: FTD, possibly Sep 11 22:11:15 well, or the community tools for battery graphing Sep 11 22:12:33 Stskeeps: right, but I don't need graphing, just measure the drain in say one minute (or a configurable period of time) Sep 11 22:12:46 :nod: Sep 11 22:13:02 i would cook up something with libbmeipc personally Sep 11 22:20:12 I wouldn't give a sh... about bme lies and rather use values from bq27200 directly Sep 11 22:21:20 DocScrutinizer: but that module is only available in special kernels, right? Sep 11 22:21:37 nope, you can read out via I2Ctools Sep 11 22:21:53 DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's another method Sep 11 22:22:46 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powerscript Sep 11 22:23:23 felipe: that does 5s, as the hardware is 5s period Sep 11 22:23:44 It seems to idle at around 6mA load - if you redirect to a file Sep 11 22:24:27 hi, Sep 11 22:24:37 I've the lastest kernel source and it still does that: Sep 11 22:24:38 http://pastebin.com/6dFgLE9f Sep 11 22:24:50 with the rx51 maemo defconfig Sep 11 22:25:03 kernel was from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/k/kernel/ Sep 11 22:27:16 DocScrutinizer: SpeedEvil: yeap, that seems to be what I want Sep 11 22:32:15 hello everyone Sep 11 22:32:18 felipec: there's also ShadowJK's script that reads out a lot more from bq27200 chip. Not just actual current but also precise elapsed mAh discharge (relative reading_new - reading_old) Sep 11 22:32:40 felipec: alas I seem to lack any pointer to that script Sep 11 22:33:05 has anybody managed to successfully use gtk eventbox in c? Sep 11 22:33:14 DocScrutinizer: but I need a special kernel Sep 11 22:33:21 no Sep 11 22:33:22 why? Sep 11 22:33:44 great thanks Sep 11 22:33:49 all you need is I2Ctools Sep 11 22:34:01 itsME, sorry i wasn't replying to you Sep 11 22:35:16 ShadowJK: where to download or otherwise get your script? isn't it on any wiki page yet? Sep 11 22:35:37 well i dont even know if its the right place, maybe theres some other channel for developerrs Sep 11 22:35:55 Well I've only ever offered it to people who ask for it in irc Sep 11 22:36:16 iirc http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar Sep 11 22:36:17 maybe Sep 11 22:36:21 ShadowJK: can't you add at least a link to it, to http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter Sep 11 22:36:22 ? Sep 11 22:37:00 Or I do if you don't mind Sep 11 22:37:01 I'd rather not Sep 11 22:37:08 hmm, why? Sep 11 22:37:32 I think I'd want to expand SpeedEvil's script to include network packets :) Sep 11 22:37:38 there's also SpeedEvil's power drain script Sep 11 22:37:52 then it'd be like 10X more useful for power debugging Sep 11 22:38:08 ShadowJK: I have a sort of proto-script that tries tocap _everything_ Sep 11 22:38:15 ShadowJK: But it's not finished. Sep 11 22:38:18 And meh. Sep 11 22:38:34 yeah, nice. But a plain script to read out FULL info from bq27200 and nothing else, would be nice as well Sep 11 22:38:53 DocScrutinizer, does that ring a bell: http://pastebin.com/6dFgLE9f ? Sep 11 22:38:58 hi btw Sep 11 22:39:09 the kernel doesn't compile Sep 11 22:39:27 DocScrutinizer, also if it's not published anywhere public I don't need to finish it ;D Sep 11 22:39:38 GNUtoo|laptop: sorry, but no Sep 11 22:39:56 but go ahead if you want to Sep 11 22:40:05 ok Sep 11 22:40:56 GNUtoo|laptop: which kernel triggered that? Sep 11 22:41:11 the official one I bet: Sep 11 22:41:16 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/k/kernel/ Sep 11 22:41:22 the last one Sep 11 22:41:27 and a previous one too Sep 11 22:41:53 GNUtoo|laptop: weird, I've compiled the internal kernel many times Sep 11 22:42:09 ah ok Sep 11 22:42:13 maybe wrong defconfig Sep 11 22:42:23 I took the rx51 one in arm/defconfig Sep 11 22:43:05 GNUtoo|laptop: can I just take kernel_2.6.28.orig.tar.gz or do I need to do something else? Sep 11 22:43:21 you need the maemo patches Sep 11 22:43:40 maybe I'll try manually Sep 11 22:44:02 GNUtoo|laptop: kernel_2.6.28-20101501+0m5.diff.gz ? Sep 11 22:44:17 yes Sep 11 22:45:30 DocScrutinizer, here's my unfinished always-running charge script conversion, filled with dead code and pointless crap, haven't cleaned it up yet after converting it to always-on: http://pastebin.com/m4uMMRgm Sep 11 22:45:38 There's some lines of SpeedEvil and you surviving in there still ;p Sep 11 22:46:12 I guess I should make it query bq27200 directly too instead of examining the logfile of my bq27200 script ;D Sep 11 22:46:15 ShadowJK: is enivax.net down? Sep 11 22:46:33 nope, but the dns likes to die Sep 11 22:46:51 my current bq27200 script, taken right off of my device just now http://pastebin.com/bPiqjzVa Sep 11 22:48:08 whoa... I just want to calculate battery drain to compare different codecs Sep 11 22:49:03 lol Sep 11 22:51:16 The one from the power page is probably sanest for that felipec :) Sep 11 22:52:39 felipec, you are talking about gstreamer codecs right? Sep 11 22:52:50 Although for long term comparison you might want to compare NAC Sep 11 22:53:08 MNZ51: more like FFmpeg codecs through GStreamer API :) Sep 11 22:53:12 what does i2cget -y 2 0x55 0x14 w do? Sep 11 22:53:45 It sends a request on i2cbus 2, to address 0x55, requesting to read the Word size register 0x14 Sep 11 22:54:05 .. which is the average current register Sep 11 22:54:20 0x55 on i2c bus 2 is the battery meter Sep 11 22:54:27 aka bq27200 Sep 11 22:54:35 ok, so it doesn't matter how often you use it Sep 11 22:54:50 felipec, you will find that most codecs will drain much less power through the default gstreamer pipeline Sep 11 22:55:06 nope, not for anything important. Though each run will use a bit of power Sep 11 22:55:12 except for ogg Sep 11 22:55:19 there are no registers with side effects in bq27200 Sep 11 22:56:17 and potentially mp3 might be better on ffmpeg. Sep 11 22:56:17 felipe: It only updates evety 5.12s Sep 11 22:56:57 MNZ51: I locked the frequence, and top showed significantly better performance... but what do you mean by "default pipeline"? Sep 11 22:57:14 offline mode and screen off is almost a requirement to do accurate measurements since ambient light conditions and the contents on the screen will affect backlight power level... Sep 11 22:57:46 I wouldn't find it inplausible if ffmp3 was better than the default mp3 decoder :) Sep 11 22:58:02 https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/Mp3dec Sep 11 22:58:02 also Sep 11 22:58:11 felipe: top lies. Sep 11 22:58:20 felipe: It doesn't know about cpufreq Sep 11 22:58:31 SpeedEvil, he said he locked frequency ;) Sep 11 22:58:39 felipe: 10%@600MHz may use more power than 50%@250MHz Sep 11 22:58:48 cpuidle effects are probably interesting too... Sep 11 22:58:50 felipec, most video decoding is done on the DSP (separate processor) Sep 11 22:59:23 SpeedEvil: I'm aware of that :) I work in Nokia and I've done many CPU measurements Sep 11 22:59:28 k Sep 11 22:59:44 Threre are all sorts of wackos here. :) Sep 11 23:00:00 hm, I should convert my script to use "i2cget" instead of "./i2cget" Sep 11 23:00:00 MNZ51: yeah, I know, I wrote gst-dsp :) Sep 11 23:00:19 but I'm working on gst-av now, to get decent audio decoding with FFmpeg Sep 11 23:00:20 !! Sep 11 23:00:22 :) Sep 11 23:00:28 Awesome. Sep 11 23:00:39 maemo is not abandoned!! Sep 11 23:00:52 felipec, I take it you saw tkulve's vorbis vs mp3 battery benchmarks? :-) Sep 11 23:01:00 (they're ancient) Sep 11 23:01:09 but still interesting Sep 11 23:01:52 ShadowJK: yes, I helped him a bit... gst-av is mentioned there Sep 11 23:02:13 MNZ51: gst-dsp is a pretty universal omap3 component, even on angstrom or other linux OS'es. Sep 11 23:02:14 he said he wanted to switch to it, but apparently he's been to busy lately Sep 11 23:02:20 I'm unsure if the DMA unit is smart enough and lower power than the CPU core that it can decode 1s@600MHz say, then drop it to the codec with the CPU off Sep 11 23:02:55 not sure if I've ever seen C4 during audio playback, but I've atleast seen C3, iirc.. Sep 11 23:03:08 stskeeps I was unaware of that Sep 11 23:03:36 MNZ51: we naturally have it in meego/n900 too (but not yet active for various legal reasons) Sep 11 23:04:27 " maemo is not abandoned!!" << you have been helping yourself, of course its not! Sep 11 23:04:49 have you guys seen/tested gstreamer_ti?? Sep 11 23:05:02 ShadowJK: but I want to measure libvorbis vs ffvorbis, libflac vs ffflac, and nokiamp3dec vs ffmp3: I definitely don't want to run the tests until the device runs out of battery =/ Sep 11 23:05:24 lcuk indeed :) Sep 11 23:05:40 MNZ51, speaking of which, how is the hardware EQ looking? Sep 11 23:06:12 lcuk I just got all the kernel parts working right today morning Sep 11 23:06:15 felipec, ok check if you can get repeatable and sensible results with SpeedEvil's script.. If not, we'll have to read the NAC register instead Sep 11 23:06:37 awesome! Sep 11 23:06:42 Shadikka: you mean the Powerscript? Sep 11 23:06:55 lcuk now need to dig into ways of integrating into the UI Sep 11 23:06:59 bq27200 integrates current-in and current-out measurements into NAC, so it's better suited for longer than 5 second measurements :P Sep 11 23:07:07 felipec, yeah the one on the wiki Sep 11 23:07:08 felipe: the script I wrote above I've never seen it give measurements that seem inaccurate. Sep 11 23:07:30 I need to put a scope on the battery, but it seems consistent. Sep 11 23:07:34 MNZ51, of course! Sep 11 23:08:00 SpeedEvil, no I mean current consumption varies alot for me as-is, that it might be difficult to see the "big picture" from several 5 second readings Sep 11 23:08:52 GNUtoo|laptop: I'm seeing the same compiler error... let me diff with the internal repo Sep 11 23:09:25 felipec, ok thanks a lot !!! Sep 11 23:09:50 SpeedEvil: why should it be inconsistent? It's just not appropriate for long time average evaluations Sep 11 23:10:10 felipec: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter#Software Sep 11 23:10:36 I just postprocess it. Sep 11 23:10:48 has pointer to ShadowJK script now, which also offers long term NAC mAh values from bq27200 Sep 11 23:10:49 awk to average over 30s, 60s, ... Sep 11 23:10:58 NAC is in rartehr big units Sep 11 23:11:44 It's hard to get equivalent accuracy to simply adding the instant readings unless you have a long baseline. Sep 11 23:11:57 felipec, have you evaluated TI's own gstreamer plugin for decoding over the DSP before? Sep 11 23:12:59 SpeedEvil: I'd rather say postprocessing introduces an ever rising error, while NAC is always quite accurate Sep 11 23:13:53 but more granular.. nothing is perfect :) Sep 11 23:13:53 DocScrutinizer: Sure. Sep 11 23:13:57 of course within limits of resolution Sep 11 23:14:07 DocScrutinizer: the absolute error in the NAC reading is quite high though Sep 11 23:14:08 ShadowJK: well, I'm running an ffmp3 test, and it seems to revolve around 60mA, however, when I go to offline mode it bumps to 200mA Sep 11 23:14:18 I think that's the bug Igor was talking about Sep 11 23:14:34 is that without sim? Sep 11 23:14:53 felipe: it's unplugged from the charger? Sep 11 23:15:06 (and usb) Sep 11 23:15:18 MNZ: I really dislike that software stack: gst-ti -> codec-engine -> dmai -> dsp-link Sep 11 23:16:05 MNZ: plus dsp-link needs *a lot* of reorganization that already happened in dsp-bridge Sep 11 23:16:21 I think I tried to compile it once... I gave up Sep 11 23:16:27 felipec, same here Sep 11 23:16:42 after a 1.6gb download and 2 wasted days Sep 11 23:17:27 the only correct way to get precise values is having a local logfile, device not connected to USB, not registered to GSM and WLAN, and issueing an initial sleep 120, during which you need to switch off screen Sep 11 23:18:09 MNZ: gst-dsp -> dsp-bridge, that's way easier, plus dsp-bridge is now upstream (on staging), and TI has a small package for the binaries, just put them on /lib/dsp, and you are good to go :) Sep 11 23:18:33 anyone knows which tweeter client is supposed to work now? Sep 11 23:18:37 then playback same media file for some 10min, and stop and read out bq27200 NAC Sep 11 23:19:30 make sure you have volume set to 1 step above mute, and preferably wired headset plugged in Sep 11 23:20:16 pigeon: you want to post messages only, or see your friend updates and so on? Sep 11 23:20:52 both, just that both witter and tweego won't login anymore. Sep 11 23:21:13 you know, those oauth changes and stuff. Sep 11 23:21:53 pigeon, for now I believe Khweeteur Sep 11 23:21:53 DocScrutinizer: yes, I know all those tricks to get good measurements, except that I was using the Nokia internal tool Sep 11 23:21:57 but its very -dev Sep 11 23:22:06 Khertan_ has been developing it Sep 11 23:22:12 and it works with the oauth stuff Sep 11 23:22:47 DocScrutinizer: so how do I read the NAC? Sep 11 23:23:03 Stupid internets. Sep 11 23:23:28 DocScrutinizer: but here GSM off actually seems to affect negatively Sep 11 23:23:42 felipe: I missed the answer - you are unplugged? Sep 11 23:23:50 Because that's very odd. Sep 11 23:24:37 felipec: (read NAC) see bottom of http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter#Software. (GSM off negative) that's REALLY odd Sep 11 23:25:04 GNUtoo|laptop: it seems some files are missing Sep 11 23:25:20 ah ok Sep 11 23:25:46 felipec: (GSM) what exactly means "GSM off"? Sep 11 23:26:08 quick question, is there any particular reason why we can't run audio decoding algorithms on the DSP? Sep 11 23:26:21 DocScrutinizer: not in offline mode Sep 11 23:26:21 MNZ: The DSP is a seperate functional unit. Sep 11 23:26:27 MNZ: Waking it up is not free. Sep 11 23:26:42 felipec: so what else if not in offline mode? Sep 11 23:27:06 felipe: by not GSM do you mean locked to 3g? Sep 11 23:27:07 MNZ: it _can_ be done... it's just that NEON is good enough Sep 11 23:27:11 felipec, will there be a new release? Sep 11 23:27:12 felipec: actually offline mode is mandatory Sep 11 23:27:13 SpeedEvil, sp decoding, say, a 4 minute mp3 file is not really worth the hassle? Sep 11 23:27:15 felipe: because 3G uses stupid power Sep 11 23:27:20 of the kernel sources Sep 11 23:28:16 MNZ: I would say that in principle working out how to fastest possible decode - say - 1M of audio to raw is a net win. Then you go to sleep, and just throw that out via DMA Sep 11 23:28:20 MNZ: I'm unsure. Sep 11 23:28:30 MNZ: it might be that just passing audio buffers around consumes more CPU than the whole decoding on NEON, it's hard to tell, maybe not if it's properly implemented, but at least the numbers I saw with OpenMAX IL were pretty bad Sep 11 23:29:06 felipec: nota bene a missing SIM does *not* mean cellmo is off. Au contraire it eats probably vast amounts of power searching for all available carriers to possibly issue a 911 call Sep 11 23:29:10 If you're simply dribbling data out at a low rate from the DSP it's probably a clear lose. Sep 11 23:29:24 GNUtoo|laptop: well, you should file a bug, but I can provide the files to you... just let me try and see if they really fix the problem Sep 11 23:29:29 It's only a win if you're decoding 'massive' chunks of data at once. Sep 11 23:29:43 felipec, ok thanks Sep 11 23:30:52 There is also the question if the DMA unit can be awake with the sound serial unit, with the rest of the CPU asleep. Sep 11 23:31:04 I think it can - but I need to read the datasheet a bit more. Sep 11 23:32:15 SpeedEvil: I'm not sure what you mean by DMA unit, but I think the biggest factor is the fact that audio data must come back to ARM side in order for pulseaudio to process it Sep 11 23:32:35 felipe: I'm ignoring pulseaudio for the moment. Sep 11 23:32:39 felipec, speaking of pulseaudio....... Sep 11 23:32:53 I'm considering what the absolute minimum power to play mp3 is that the hardware can do. Sep 11 23:33:16 AIUI the DSP can be programmed to pipe data directly to the codec chip for output..? Sep 11 23:33:42 MNZ: I don't think that's quite how it works. Sep 11 23:34:04 with the right connections in the HW of course, unless I'm missing something else Sep 11 23:34:07 SpeedEvil: MNZ: yes, the DSP can output audio directly Sep 11 23:34:13 Ah - K. Sep 11 23:34:18 I've not read it in detail. Sep 11 23:34:24 but that doesn't fit Maemo architecture Sep 11 23:34:33 ah, wait, i spoke too soon, witter works, i just need to blow away my old config, and configure oauth stuff in the settings. Sep 11 23:34:34 no volume control etc? Sep 11 23:34:36 felipec, I kinda want to bypass the whole PA fiasco Sep 11 23:34:53 lcuk, volume control can be done by the audio codec Sep 11 23:35:09 about audio and pulseaudio etc...I bet the pulse plugin does something special to get rid of the buffer underruns Sep 11 23:35:10 MNZ, but that opens up whole ball of other stuff Sep 11 23:35:24 yeah, like stopping playback when a call comes in... Sep 11 23:35:34 doesnt the audio have to have channels managed and switch to higher priority tasks etc Sep 11 23:35:38 * lcuk nods Sep 11 23:35:52 At least in principle, pulseaudio is open. So you can find out the calls it makes simply. Sep 11 23:36:06 However - pulling out pulseaudio will break calls Sep 11 23:36:08 thats an awful lot Sep 11 23:36:12 Unless I'm confused. Sep 11 23:36:21 That is phonecalls. Sep 11 23:36:22 the dsp improvement would have to be pretty drastic at this point Sep 11 23:36:23 lcuk: no cheap speakers exploding protection :) Sep 11 23:36:33 * ShadowJK discovered today that stopping ohmd makes calls come through speakers instead of earphone :D Sep 11 23:36:35 felipe: there is a IIR filter in the codec Sep 11 23:36:36 felipec, I'm kinda working on a solution to that :D Sep 11 23:36:41 felipe: that works fine. Sep 11 23:36:43 felipec, yeah, that too Sep 11 23:36:48 * lcuk has exploded ears atm Sep 11 23:36:49 there are two filters actually Sep 11 23:37:05 * lcuk would like to use dsp as a blitter one day :P Sep 11 23:37:15 hehe Sep 11 23:37:17 especially on 8x0 Sep 11 23:37:25 MNZ: the hardware supports it... but I'm not sure how maemo sw might interfere Sep 11 23:37:33 and i'll try Khweeteur too Sep 11 23:37:50 pigeon, as I said Khertan_ is working hard and responding to things Sep 11 23:38:04 so if you do try it, discuss with him and help improve it with him Sep 11 23:38:06 felipec, I'm improving the audio codec's driver right now, and I've got the IIR filter and 3D effects working so far. Sep 11 23:38:16 :) Sep 11 23:38:36 any hints on where to look if we are to pass data from dsp to audio codec directly? Sep 11 23:39:20 give it to PA :D Sep 11 23:39:33 MNZ: you mean from the DSP side? Sep 11 23:39:43 MNZ: I'm not sure, TI calls that DASF Sep 11 23:40:45 felipec, yeah. I would have to mess with the code that's sent to the dsp right? I'm just not sure what kind of messing around is needed Sep 11 23:40:55 lcuk: sure Sep 11 23:40:57 ShadowJK:(charging script) nice :-). Would you like me to edit a few things? Sep 11 23:41:15 MNZ: yes - you'd need to code stuff on the DSP Sep 11 23:41:48 SpeedEvil, the question is more like do I have to reimplement the codec driver? Sep 11 23:41:58 dunno Sep 11 23:42:03 MNZ: I haven't touched much DSP side code =/ Sep 11 23:42:17 mnz, the dsp is scary and few who venture into it ever come out alive! Sep 11 23:42:28 it changes them. Sep 11 23:42:31 lcuk, I know that now :/ Sep 11 23:42:37 I don't know if you can do 'pipes' onthe DSP Sep 11 23:42:47 that is - redirect the 'normal' output and do stuff with it Sep 11 23:43:04 DocScrutinizer, my TODO list is something like: move low battery detection and warning from bq27200.sh to charge.sh, add the LED notification back in, handle error codes, check parameters after error codes Sep 11 23:43:13 SpeedEvil: yes, it's possible Sep 11 23:43:18 lcuk: (exploded ears) testing codecs via headset? or your son screaming? Sep 11 23:43:31 Interesting. Sep 11 23:44:01 so any pointers on where I should start reading would be greatly appreciated :D Sep 11 23:44:13 MNZ: I think you should ask in #linux-omap, or the mailing list Sep 11 23:44:14 DocScrutinizer, burst eardrum a few weeks ago. i yawned and it (re)ruptured it. Sep 11 23:44:17 or #beagle Sep 11 23:44:23 ShadowJK: yes, along that line. Also a few flws are there I'd like to fix Sep 11 23:44:25 (had an infection in 2006) Sep 11 23:44:25 I vaguely remember someone here was playing with DSP Sep 11 23:44:37 lcuk: FSCK! :-/ Sep 11 23:44:42 thats what I said Sep 11 23:44:44 DocScrutinizer, like? Sep 11 23:44:47 along with many other strong words Sep 11 23:44:51 sleep 28 Sep 11 23:44:56 is too long Sep 11 23:44:59 SpeedEvil, lardman Sep 11 23:45:04 possibly Sep 11 23:45:04 has to become sleep 15 Sep 11 23:45:06 yes Sep 11 23:45:15 doing the bluetooth stuff on 8x0 Sep 11 23:45:18 Apart from programming it for mugen2400 and ignoring USB cable to host PC scenario entirely Sep 11 23:45:54 ovewrtemp throttle has some niche cases where it actually is doing worse than better Sep 11 23:46:25 also seems to me you're reading out bq27200 die temp rather than battery cell thermistor Sep 11 23:46:40 Yeah I don't know how to read it yet Sep 11 23:46:41 there is no thermistor Sep 11 23:46:42 oh Sep 11 23:46:47 yes - on the mugen there is Sep 11 23:46:49 there's one near the battery, in N900 Sep 11 23:46:49 but... Sep 11 23:46:52 there is Sep 11 23:46:57 There is? Sep 11 23:47:10 yeah it's connected to gaia madc iirc Sep 11 23:47:14 hmm Sep 11 23:47:16 search schematics, next to twl4030 Sep 11 23:47:21 I thought that was mislabeled Sep 11 23:47:24 ShadSEC: EXACTLY Sep 11 23:47:34 tab tab tab tab... Sep 11 23:47:35 And it was actually the capacirty indication wire on the battery Sep 11 23:47:47 SpeedEvil, there are two Sep 11 23:47:50 Ah. Sep 11 23:48:16 sorry capsmock Sep 11 23:48:24 two battery related things (well, atleast 2) connected to madc.. BSI to capacity indication thingy inside battery, and another to some thermistor that's close to the battery Sep 11 23:48:46 Hmm. Sep 11 23:48:49 GNUtoo|laptop: actually, no, the files are not missing... I'm getting the same error on the internal repo =/ Sep 11 23:48:57 i think the thermistor is one of the exposed components in the battery bay.. Sep 11 23:49:04 i looked up the exact location once but I forget.. Sep 11 23:49:19 I had no luck locating it Sep 11 23:49:26 felipec, ah ok, so how come the kernel shipped compiled? Sep 11 23:49:33 is there some workarround? Sep 11 23:49:44 but I guess it shall be in thermal junction to the metallic bay Sep 11 23:50:06 Is it exposed? Sep 11 23:50:08 GNUtoo|laptop: it probably depends on the compiler, I remember someone from Google fixed that... let me look for the patch Sep 11 23:50:17 ok thanks a lot!!! Sep 11 23:50:21 lshal doesn't say anyrthing obvious on temp. Sep 11 23:51:27 Stskeeps once asked my what to ask Nokia about charging, and a told him (among other things) we need to know what values we expect to read from bat temp ADC, when to sgut down for overtemp. Alas no results of all that yet Sep 11 23:52:10 DocScrutinizer, It looked like a surface mounted rectangle like any other to me ;P Sep 11 23:52:45 how much further is bq* ? Sep 11 23:52:47 madc has open source driver though, and we can empirically figure out what the numbers mean, right? Sep 11 23:52:51 ShadowJK: but maybe it has a level or spring touching it, from metal bat bay Sep 11 23:52:55 hm Sep 11 23:53:08 Is bq27200 round the back off the contacts - I forget Sep 11 23:55:05 btemp R1310, twl4030 ADCIN0 Sep 11 23:55:32 Battery temperature sensor Sep 11 23:56:19 Hmm. Sep 11 23:56:26 BME was polling madc wasn't it Sep 11 23:56:32 yup Sep 11 23:56:37 afaik Sep 11 23:56:41 GNUtoo|laptop: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.omap/28461 Sep 11 23:56:54 thanks a lot Sep 11 23:58:31 ShadowJK: anyway when battery signals overtemp during *actually* DIScharging (according to bq27200), you MUST NOT throttle charger Sep 11 23:58:33 ~2119 Sep 11 23:58:34 The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. Sep 11 23:59:06 DocScrutinizer, yeah I just added it for my own use case Sep 11 23:59:09 ShadowJK: seems bme is wrong on that detail as well Sep 11 23:59:11 Or possibly just power off Sep 11 23:59:45 Where dropping to 550 brings current as reported by bq27200 to around 0 Sep 12 00:00:07 DocScrutinizer: yeah, but I notice that when I go to offline mode, the consumption goes up to 200mA Sep 12 00:00:59 felipec, is that with a sim card or without? Is wlan0 interface up? There's a bug that leaves it up occasionally, eating about 200 or so.. Sep 12 00:01:01 bq24150 charging + bq27200 DIScharging = high system load, "Not enough power for charging!". DO NOT switch off charging, not even on high temp. On critical overtemp start to throttle system load instead Sep 12 00:01:35 felipec: that's really freakin weird Sep 12 00:02:16 You know, with the charger chip's 70-90% efficiency, and the 130-ish mOhm of resistance between charger and battery, and the mugen battery's lower internal resistance, there might be less heat generation with charger fully off :P Sep 12 00:02:32 ShadowJK: with a sim card; normal mode, 3G, wlan + audio playback I get ~60mA. offline mode + audio playback, I get 200mA Sep 12 00:08:23 ShadowJK: nonono, you need to throttle system load. Then system power consumption will drop, and temperature will drop, and battery will resume to charge as bq24150 is delivering sufficient power to supply systen *and* charge battery. If temp still too high then, your normal charge trottling will kick in as now battery is not DIScharging any more. Charge trottling will cause battery to discharge again, causing further system load throttling. Sep 12 00:08:25 .. this continues until temperature is going down to a reasonable level Sep 12 00:13:10 felipec, do you have any insider information on PA? Is it only needed for speaker protection and audio prioritizing (calls mute other audio, etc) ? or is there more to it? Sep 12 00:13:26 (insider information that can be shared, ie :) Sep 12 00:15:07 MNZ: I don't think there's anything internal about it, Jyri Sarha did a presentation about it Sep 12 00:15:33 http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/slides/Jyri-Sarha-audio_miniconf_slides.pdf Sep 12 00:15:41 felipec, yes, I've seen the slides and they're rather vague. And if there's nothing internal... why no sources? Sep 12 00:16:00 ShadowJK: for this to work properly, you should differentiate the temperature reading, ans also delay the charge throttling by some 30..60s, so when you throttle system load, you give cell temp some 30s time to idicate it "plans to drop", and not start charge throttling if temp is on its way down Sep 12 00:17:01 MNZ: pulseaudio is used for many reasons, good latency control, protection of the speakers, audio policy, mixing Sep 12 00:17:31 volume Sep 12 00:18:07 people hate it though when it eats 30% CPU and they could be using that for something else :) Sep 12 00:18:56 felipec, all that can be managed without PA. It's only the audio policy that might be tricky, but DocScrutinizer says he's got an answer in the form of an alsa plugin :D Sep 12 00:19:25 mixing: ALSA dmix. latency control: we don't need that, and actually latency with PA is usually even higher than with mere ALSA. Protection of speakers: could have been implemented as a ALSA plugin as well. Audio policy: well I elaborated on that some 23h ago, in this chan. Sep 12 00:19:33 oh dear god, alsa plugins.. I thought they invented pulseaudio just because alsa plugins were undebugable and unfixable ;P Sep 12 00:20:28 DocScrutinizer: I don't recall the issues with ALSA dmix, but there certainly were Sep 12 00:20:55 I've never seen dmix working yet :/ Sep 12 00:20:58 mhm, not here. I got severe issues with PA mixing instead Sep 12 00:21:13 DocScrutinizer: and no, the algorithms are proprietary from Nokia, the couldn't be implemented as ALSA plugins without violating the licence, or something like that Sep 12 00:21:15 ShadowJK: I've never seen it failing Sep 12 00:21:31 LOL Sep 12 00:22:00 ShadowJK, alsa on most systems is running dmix by default as they can't do multiple streams natively, AIUI Sep 12 00:22:37 so we use PA as Nokia doesn't like the licence of ALSA, and also doesn't think it could disclose the code of those 'magic' plugins. Now that's what I call reasonable Sep 12 00:22:42 MNZ, i think they moved to having pulse open alsa hw direct because dmix was too buggy? ;p Sep 12 00:23:35 dmix never was buggy, as long as I know about it Sep 12 00:23:37 ShadowJK, I'm on debian right now and they have a deep rooted hate for PA. Audio works like a charm. I can actually do mp3 at close to 1% cpu on my core 2 duo Sep 12 00:24:33 DocScrutinizer: what do you expect? Nokia to spend a huge amount of money rewriting some internal code that is considered a competitive advantage into something open-source friendly? Sep 12 00:24:52 hmm, maybe? Sep 12 00:25:06 ok so there IS some internal stuff, felipec ? Sep 12 00:25:25 DocScrutinizer: we would be releasing the N900 right now if everything had to be perfect Sep 12 00:25:34 :) Sep 12 00:25:50 felipe: can you elaborate on what the closed code is for in the audio chain? Sep 12 00:25:54 sorry, but that's no argument Sep 12 00:25:56 just how much of a competitive advantage though :/ I mean audio mixing and policy?? Sep 12 00:26:15 SpeedEvil: you mean in PA chain? Sep 12 00:26:24 I suspect they more mean acoustic echo cancellation and speech pre/post processing. Sep 12 00:26:29 felipe: yes Sep 12 00:27:43 sorry, nothing personal, but I feel I'm building up a mood to argue. So I prefer to part this convo for a while, chilling... Sep 12 00:28:25 haha cheers doc :) Sep 12 00:31:21 SpeedEvil: I don't recall all the details, but there were quite a lot; echo cancellation, equalizer, speaker protection Sep 12 00:32:11 hmm. The PDF I saw on the PA phone interface strongly implied that the phone module did all of that. Sep 12 00:32:17 the echo that is. Sep 12 00:32:24 Thanks. Sep 12 00:33:23 SpeedEvil: no, the phone chip is doing some stuff, but I don't recall exactly what Sep 12 00:33:56 fortunately PA seems to have it's own echo cancellation nowadays :) Sep 12 00:34:08 yeah. Sep 12 00:34:32 Whose code is that? Sep 12 00:35:53 derf: I don't know, I've seem some patches from Wim Tayman, from GStreamer/Collabora Sep 12 00:36:45 Just wondering if they're based on the Speex one, or something else. Sep 12 00:37:17 Hmm. I wonder if the echo cancellation is for skype Sep 12 00:37:25 /sip Sep 12 00:37:26 Skype does their own. Sep 12 00:38:22 so it seems it will not be possible to rip out PA completely because of the closed source stuff depending on it (ie, phone functionality). But for media purposes it looks quite possible to replace PA completely (as far as the info we have goes...) Sep 12 00:39:08 I'm unsure. Sep 12 00:39:13 Yes, PA is using the Speex one. Sep 12 00:39:19 Found the patch. Sep 12 00:39:29 I think it's possible. Sep 12 00:41:13 AFAICT everything's pretty much covered. Anywho, I'll find that out soon enough :D Sep 12 00:41:24 Great work MNZ Sep 12 00:42:15 :) Sep 12 00:43:17 Which reminds me... anyone willing to do a quick parametric EQ UI for maemo :/ ??? pretty please? Sep 12 00:46:16 MNZ, you have to give more info about the available data :) Sep 12 00:46:26 the NAC says 10mAh are consumed each 10min Sep 12 00:46:28 ie format, frequency etc Sep 12 00:47:20 felipec, so that's 60mA Sep 12 00:47:34 But like, the precision is only good enough for +- 10% :) Sep 12 00:48:08 lcuk, I just want an empty shell really... sliders for bandwidth and center frequency and gain, and a selector for filter type. The difficult part (I think) is in figuring out how to integrate this into hildon the Right Way(tm) Sep 12 00:48:29 you can use kitchen scales to accurately determine the weight of a single penny Sep 12 00:48:51 if you do enough samples with multiples of them :P Sep 12 00:48:54 ShadowJK: well, that matches the AI Average Sep 12 00:49:07 MNZ, right so you want the input side of it Sep 12 00:49:16 not the graphical output Sep 12 00:49:23 lcuk: Or you are a geek. And your kitchen scales weigh to 0.1g Sep 12 00:49:45 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.17483 Sep 12 00:49:46 SpeedEvil, i actually meant bathroom scales Sep 12 00:49:51 * lcuk is tired Sep 12 00:50:07 greetings Sep 12 00:50:09 lcuk, heck if you can graph the curves then all the better :P but yeah the plan was just to have a basic UI as opposed to no ui at all Sep 12 00:50:10 and I once did it using a lovely pile of pennies Sep 12 00:50:12 I have contemplated refitting my bathroom scales with 18 bit ADCs Sep 12 00:50:40 MNZ, specifically different ends of the spectrum literally Sep 12 00:51:02 but something that it would have to do is like a real eq Sep 12 00:51:14 a single swipe across all the inputs should set the levels of each Sep 12 00:51:44 lcuk, I'm afraid you lost me Sep 12 00:51:55 felipec, getting any usable comparison data btw? Sep 12 00:52:13 well if you have a 10 bar EQ - 10 sliders. you dont want to need to click change each Sep 12 00:52:28 you want to be able to run finger horizontally across all Sep 12 00:52:31 in one swipe Sep 12 00:52:56 I have a small home network. I can connect to it wirelessly using the N900 and I can access the internet to read emails/browse/install applications ..etc . the problem is: although I can ping my router -and browse its admin page- from N900, I can not ping or access my dreambox . any tips? Sep 12 00:53:16 what is your dreambox? Sep 12 00:53:25 I guess it's like a dreamcatcher. Sep 12 00:53:31 Is it made by indians? Sep 12 00:53:41 There's like a PMP/DVR thingy called "dreambox". Sep 12 00:53:47 i think Sep 12 00:54:07 lcuk, thing is, it's not a graphical EQ really, mostly because I haven't figured out how to (if it's possible) go from a graphical eq to parameters for a parametric eq (which is closer to what we have) Sep 12 00:54:41 ShadowJK is right (i have one too :) Sep 12 00:54:46 oh... sorry. dreambox is my TV satellite receiver -linux based- which is connected to my router using LAN Sep 12 00:55:07 smhar, can other devices on your network happily ping or access it? Sep 12 00:55:14 on your wifi network Sep 12 00:55:17 can you ping other boxen on your lan from n900? Sep 12 00:55:47 ShadowJK: not yet, now that I know I can get some relatively good number I'll start gathering data for gst-av, and then the alternatives Sep 12 00:56:04 ok :) Sep 12 00:56:10 the N900 is the only device accessing the network through wifi, the rest all all in LAN using ethernet Sep 12 00:56:37 smhar: you should look at your router config Sep 12 00:56:39 an I can ping/telnet to DB from all the other computers. Sep 12 00:56:39 smhar, then I would suggest trying something else on the wifi Sep 12 00:56:47 and look towards problem being router config Sep 12 00:56:57 can you ping your other devices, not counting router? Sep 12 00:57:00 smhar: the router is probably not setup to bridge the two nets Sep 12 00:57:14 I must get some eye shut time... good night #maemo! Sep 12 00:57:22 nn MNZ \o Sep 12 00:58:10 yes. I can ping my other computers from N900 Sep 12 00:58:21 huh Sep 12 00:58:23 :/ Sep 12 00:58:46 checked packet filter rules on the router? Sep 12 01:00:45 no, will try that Sep 12 01:02:43 ok, I tried something else: I pinged N900 from other computers: it worked. I tried pinging DB from other computers: it failed !! Sep 12 01:03:04 probably the DB does not accept pinging Sep 12 01:03:08 ? Sep 12 01:03:17 oh Sep 12 01:03:33 can the n900 get to the dreambox' httpd? Sep 12 01:04:28 (and btw mine doesnt block pings tho its also an old one, dm7000) Sep 12 01:04:53 nox-, mine is dm7000 :-) Sep 12 01:04:56 hm Sep 12 01:05:02 which firmware do you use? Sep 12 01:05:36 anyway try pointing a browser at it Sep 12 01:05:46 I do not remember.. its been a while since I last updated it, it uses the gemini Sep 12 01:05:52 ah Sep 12 01:09:55 k, 9h on WLAN with xchat on 7 chan: bq27k says bat=85%, lshal aka bme says 75% Sep 12 01:13:48 stupid me . the network cable to the DB was disconnected, probably my 1yr old son :-) I can ping DB from N900 now Sep 12 01:14:37 aah :) Sep 12 01:15:09 now you can try dreamremote :) Sep 12 01:15:36 first level help desk rules: 1. question - is your device plugged into mains? Sep 12 01:15:54 hehe Sep 12 01:16:57 2. Should it be? Sep 12 01:17:03 3. Has it burst into flames? Sep 12 01:18:26 nox-, did you try DreamRemote? is it working with your DB7000? Sep 12 01:19:16 no my firmware is too old... Sep 12 01:21:24 nox-, why not updating it?! Sep 12 01:21:58 you know the old saying `if it aint broke dont fix it'? :) Sep 12 01:22:49 uf it ain't broke it needs more custom feature patches Sep 12 01:22:49 (actually i read about `boot problems' on dm7000 with newer fw...) Sep 12 01:23:26 ..and then i just dont felt like messing with it :) Sep 12 01:27:27 Anyone knows what else is playing with wlan connections besides wlancond? Sep 12 01:28:21 icd Sep 12 01:28:24 icd2 even Sep 12 01:28:37 and why I can connect to a wlan from commandline but not doing the same when wlancond is stopped, that is whats driving me crazy Sep 12 01:29:58 The closedpartrs are really annoying in this case. Sep 12 01:30:02 SpeedEvil, you say to me? Sep 12 01:31:02 yes Sep 12 01:31:25 The interactions of icd and wlancond are not transparent Sep 12 01:31:29 never heard about icd2, doing some reasing thanks :) Sep 12 01:31:54 And inmany cases get inthe way Sep 12 01:31:57 Hey, is it possible to restore Nokia files from the built in emmc? I formatted it by accident :P Sep 12 01:32:08 and is there any steps to free wlan from their interaction while I am managing it? Sep 12 01:32:33 i mean, any steps already documented i could follow, i dont seem to find anything about it Sep 12 01:32:35 No public way Sep 12 01:32:45 It's a closed sourcethingy Sep 12 01:32:45 urgh Sep 12 01:33:17 I want to tether over wifi. Sep 12 01:33:20 So, basically, i cant FREELY manage wlan without some process messing it? Sep 12 01:33:24 And it gets in the way trhere. Sep 12 01:33:33 As I understand it, yes, you can't. Sep 12 01:33:47 madness :S Sep 12 01:33:48 You can kill wlancond and icd - but obvious problems then happen Sep 12 01:34:20 wlancondd i thought everything was ok, until i noticed then something is missing for everything to work alright Sep 12 01:34:49 gezz, i lost all past night thinking it was my fault Sep 12 01:35:49 What are you trying to do? Sep 12 01:36:41 at this time, i am porting one program i made some years ago for running on openwrt Sep 12 01:36:54 similar to airoscript Sep 12 01:37:11 what's it do? Sep 12 01:37:47 do you know airoscript? Sep 12 01:39:24 No. Sep 12 01:40:00 oh ok, anyway, its not the same... Sep 12 01:40:42 its the part where i need to setup a regular connection to an ap where it is giving trouble Sep 12 01:40:58 it only associates if wlancond is running Sep 12 01:41:13 but then it just steps into when it feels like Sep 12 01:41:28 wlancond or whatever is messing with my setup Sep 12 01:41:39 yeah. :/ Sep 12 01:41:47 you have iwconfig? Sep 12 01:41:50 and friends Sep 12 01:41:51 yep Sep 12 01:42:03 its what i am using to setup it up Sep 12 01:42:17 the problem is whatever is messing with my connection afterwards Sep 12 01:42:26 sometimes sooner, sometimes later Sep 12 01:49:00 well, if I wlancond is the main offender i guess its time to strace it till death :) Sep 12 01:52:42 this any help? http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Networking Sep 12 01:59:23 mmm, the disconnect internet d-bus call is interesting Sep 12 01:59:44 is there a program for n900 that lets me copy text from it and then paste it on the pc? Sep 12 01:59:59 i supposse theer are many more dbus calls not documented there, righ? Sep 12 02:01:26 lolloo, you could use sshd + screen i guess... Sep 12 02:01:37 how have people get to know about all those dbus calls? maybe there is some source for all of them or just reverse engineering? Sep 12 02:02:02 source i mean, documentation or something Sep 12 02:02:10 reverse engineering Sep 12 02:02:12 AIUI Sep 12 02:02:16 ceck the authorr Sep 12 02:02:20 or a standard.. i never heard about those dbus calls before n900 Sep 12 02:02:22 of the wiki Sep 12 02:02:44 i see, so then that main source that there is for now Sep 12 02:02:49 thats Sep 12 02:03:27 introspection Sep 12 02:04:17 though lots of the Nokia specific systems don't support dbus introspection Sep 12 02:04:38 nox- , ssh? what is it? Sep 12 02:05:12 oh is that like apple blocking tracing of itunes on osx? Sep 12 02:05:40 lolloo, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openssh Sep 12 02:06:19 nox- , thanks Sep 12 02:06:21 interesting Sep 12 02:06:22 mdbus2 might come in handy Sep 12 02:07:41 lolloo, there is no simple way to do that that i know of Sep 12 02:08:38 well screen should support copy/paste but yes its not `that' simple :) Sep 12 02:08:42 >> mdbus2 -i drops you into a shell mode, where you can interactively explore services and call methods using readline command line completion and history. Sep 12 02:12:41 if there was a website link on my n900, and I wanted to send it to the pc.. mmm maybe I need notepad? Sep 12 02:14:20 pastebinit Sep 12 02:24:27 or use some url shortener Sep 12 02:32:08 wlancond is NOT stepping into my setup... now lets see if it is just something missing or is it another program.... Sep 12 02:33:45 I guess this is another of the ways ppl is using to document dbus calls: Sep 12 02:33:54 read(4, "l\1\0\1\0\0\0\0\357\5\0\0\216\0\0\0\1\1o\0\33\0\0\0/com/nokia/wlancond/request\0\0\0\0\0\6\1s\0\22\0\0\0com.nokia.wlancond\0\0\0\0\0\0\2\1s\0\32\0\0\0com.nokia.wlancond.request\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\1s\0\6\0\0\0status\0\0\7\1s\0\5\0\0\0:1.89\0\0\0", Sep 12 02:41:34 hahaha Sep 12 02:41:40 here it is :) Sep 12 02:41:44 read(4, "l\1\0\1@\0\0\0M\6\0\0\266\0\0\0\1\1o\0\33\0\0\0/com/nokia/wlancond/request\0\0\0\0\0\6\1s\0\22\0\0\0com.nokia.wlancond\0\0\0\0\0\0\2\1s\0\32\0\0\0com.nokia.wlancond.request\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\1s\0\24\0\0\0settings_and_connect\0\0\0\0\10\1g\0\17iayiiayayayayiu\0\0\0\0\7\1s\0\5\0\0\0:1.89\0\0\0\10\0\0\0\10\0\0\0fon2200\0\1\0\0\0 \0\0\0\r\0\0\0\372\372\372\372\372\372\372\372\372\372\372\372\372\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0 Sep 12 02:41:49 strace is yer friend :P Sep 12 02:42:02 thats the dbus call for setting up a wlan Sep 12 02:42:50 372/372/372... etc is the WEP key fon2200 the essid etc... Sep 12 02:47:26 http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-monitor.1.html might be easier than strace :) Sep 12 02:48:22 oh Sep 12 02:49:05 thx, i guess i need to read a lot more about that dbus thing :P Sep 12 02:54:08 wow,this is awesome Sep 12 02:54:28 so the "right" way to do things on n900 is through dbus? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 12 02:59:57 2010