**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 23 02:59:58 2010 Sep 23 04:45:24 hellooo0oo Sep 23 04:45:43 the onion router doesnt work with Xchat Sep 23 04:45:54 do you think there is a way? Sep 23 04:47:40 is there a way to make Xchat work with onion router? Sep 23 04:58:23 worksforme Sep 23 04:59:57 MohammadAG51: how's hildon going? :P Sep 23 05:00:21 stalled, too excited about hostmode w(ing)fm Sep 23 05:01:43 ~wtf wfm Sep 23 05:01:45 WFM: works for me Sep 23 05:04:26 i think there are too many abandoned mobile platforms Sep 23 05:09:26 all those qtopia, gpe, opie (sorry if i missed some), now hildon Sep 23 06:03:21 slonopotamus црфе вщ ерун гыу шт ьуупщ, Sep 23 06:03:28 what do they use in meego? Sep 23 06:04:30 ZogG: for gui? no idea, smth rewritten from scratch for sure. Sep 23 06:05:10 meego or nokia meego - asked at #meego same question btw Sep 23 06:28:09 Anyone looked at the election results yet? Sep 23 06:28:47 The voting period for the specified election has closed, but the results of the election have not yet been calculated. It is not possible to see the results now. Sep 23 06:28:53 thats what i get ;( Sep 23 06:31:31 frals: Yeah, but the ballots are available and people generally try running the results before dneary does ;-) Sep 23 06:32:34 Jaffa: seems people are slacking this time ;) Sep 23 06:33:07 Tsk Sep 23 06:33:15 * Jaffa best go finish getting ready for Greece. Sep 23 06:33:37 :) Sep 23 06:46:21 frals: did you get that imagemagick commandline call? Sep 23 06:47:22 Scelt: could you leave it in a query for me please? :) Sep 23 06:47:32 sure Sep 23 06:47:59 thanks :) Sep 23 06:48:21 np :) Sep 23 06:57:18 frals: Over 440 votes is the extent of the grepping I've done Sep 23 07:03:09 o/ i need to isntall bzip2 but i cant find that package anywhere :o Sep 23 07:03:59 if you add scratchbox repo. you can install bzip2 Sep 23 07:05:05 psycho_oreos: is there a wikipage for that repo? Sep 23 07:05:55 oh you mean extras-devel? Sep 23 07:06:32 summel, no but it might also be in there Sep 23 07:06:37 i have extras-devel enabled but there is no bzip2 package in there Sep 23 07:06:39 ah i see Sep 23 07:07:16 but http://wiki.maemo.org/Scratchbox_repositories tells the same repository url that i use for extras-devel Sep 23 07:07:28 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free Sep 23 07:07:57 nope there should be maemo5.0 line somewhere in there Sep 23 07:08:23 thats the fremantle line Sep 23 07:08:32 there is nothing with maemo on that wiki page :( Sep 23 07:08:39 ah Sep 23 07:08:41 theres a link Sep 23 07:09:32 do i need the one with the eula thingy? Sep 23 07:10:40 not sure hang on lemme check (on N900 myself now) Sep 23 07:11:34 ok thx :) Sep 23 07:12:42 summel, http://repository.maemo.org/#sdk_repositories Sep 23 07:12:51 thx Sep 23 07:13:41 just read the forewarning before you proceed :) Sep 23 07:16:42 oh i just use the n900 for toying around nothing important on it :) Sep 23 07:18:48 lol wait till you realise how versatile it is ;) Sep 23 07:34:15 Morning everyone Sep 23 07:35:21 evening Sep 23 07:35:32 morning Sep 23 07:36:04 kicking this shit IRC client into the bin, switching to x-chat. Later Sep 23 07:36:31 afternoon Sep 23 07:36:41 morning :) Sep 23 07:37:03 * RST38h yawns Sep 23 07:37:04 yea - but which day? ;) Sep 23 07:37:05 moo Khertan Sep 23 07:38:07 :) Sep 23 07:38:23 * Khertan start to understand how obs is working Sep 23 07:49:28 hi, anyone running cups here? i cant get the page to be shown i only see quellcode in the browser Sep 23 07:49:32 o.O Sep 23 07:50:19 0.o Sep 23 07:50:26 [-_-] Sep 23 07:51:16 d(-_-)b Sep 23 07:51:36 everyone peering over lcuk's shoulder while he develops a new feature on liqbase: [-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-_-]-]-]-]-]-]-]-]-]-]-]-] Sep 23 07:51:47 ewww Sep 23 07:52:05 heh Sep 23 07:54:03 hmm, i managed to get cups back working after installing syslog. and this showing an error in cupsd.conf i tried to fix it but seems iam missing any option, is there an default cupsd.conf on n900 after installing? Sep 23 07:55:34 * Khertan lost 10 min with obs just to see that tar cannot uncompress zip file ... Sep 23 07:55:49 well, obviously Sep 23 07:55:54 tar is tar, unzip is zip Sep 23 07:56:56 crashanddie, yep ... Sep 23 07:57:20 this is just that i didn't take care of file extension Sep 23 07:57:49 but ... i ve never seen a tar.zip before :) Sep 23 07:58:00 common are tar.gz tar.bz2 Sep 23 07:58:13 but didn't see the purpose of a tar.zip :) Sep 23 07:59:10 khertan: listen to "The Ordinary Boys - Over the Counterculture", tell me what you think of it Sep 23 08:03:01 crashanddie, hum ... Sep 23 08:03:12 crashanddie, this is far from my music style Sep 23 08:03:17 is it? Sep 23 08:03:20 What do you listen to usually? Sep 23 08:03:58 hum ... there is many finnish metal bands Sep 23 08:04:05 some german Sep 23 08:04:05 oh bloody hell Sep 23 08:04:12 FTW! Sep 23 08:04:26 dude, the 90s called, they want their nu-metal crapshoot back. Sep 23 08:04:45 Finnish metal, I'm loving it Sep 23 08:04:49 crashanddie, die apokalyptischen reiter - adrenalin Sep 23 08:04:50 There are some good french ones too :) Deathspell Omega and Gorod :) Sep 23 08:04:56 dude, the 80's called wanting omd and alphaville back Sep 23 08:05:03 o.o Sep 23 08:05:13 cr33dog, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_wcrFOTH6o Sep 23 08:05:17 crashanddie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_wcrFOTH6o Sep 23 08:05:28 ghostcube, in case you didn't get my earlier message, I'll spell it out: stop with the fucking stupid emoticons, k? Sep 23 08:05:28 stupid xchat tab Sep 23 08:05:40 hehe "dass es leicht rammstein-like klingt" Sep 23 08:05:53 mece, :) Sep 23 08:06:21 the last song ... the previous album have more english song Sep 23 08:06:27 ghostcube, or at least, put them on the same line as your initial comment. Thanks Sep 23 08:06:35 and look like more death metal than rammstein :) Sep 23 08:06:51 rammstein is fucking shit.. Sep 23 08:07:10 well, they've democratised a good deal of that kind of music Sep 23 08:07:16 made it accessible, easy to follow, and partly commercial Sep 23 08:07:17 ghostcube, pretty good up until reise reise imo. Sep 23 08:07:39 its not very well textet and its not very well played ... Sep 23 08:07:40 which means a lot of people hate it because it's "too mainstream", even though it's one of the bands that has done most for the music style Sep 23 08:07:58 and they permit to other groups to exists Sep 23 08:08:23 but as german i dont like them cause i hate the base they build the first song on Sep 23 08:08:26 anyone who says "not very well texted" is not allowed to criticise the writing quality of an internationally renowned band. Sep 23 08:08:47 s/texted/textet/ Sep 23 08:08:47 crashanddie meant: anyone who says "not very well textet" is not allowed to criticise the writing quality of an internationally renowned band. Sep 23 08:09:04 as german i do this Sep 23 08:09:11 if you like it or not Sep 23 08:09:18 most metal is mainstream her in FI Sep 23 08:09:24 whether** Sep 23 08:09:26 not if :) Sep 23 08:09:30 s/her/here/ Sep 23 08:09:30 mece meant: most metal is mainstream here in FI Sep 23 08:09:49 crashanddie: and dont alwas correct my english, or we can start talking german as i said weeks before Sep 23 08:09:57 Ahhaha: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Autoconf.svg/220px-Autoconf.svg.png Sep 23 08:09:59 crashanddie, and there is an other german compositer that i hear often : l.v. beethoven Sep 23 08:10:30 khertan? Sep 23 08:10:35 Khertan, ? Sep 23 08:10:35 and? Sep 23 08:10:46 you ask me my style :) Sep 23 08:10:51 you ask me my style of music:) Sep 23 08:10:55 ah, you listen to him, k Sep 23 08:10:55 i answer you :) Sep 23 08:11:20 how do I change pin code in n900? Sep 23 08:11:31 roh mais ca va oui ! comme si je parlais l'anglais comme une vache espagnole ! Sep 23 08:11:34 settings Sep 23 08:11:34 :) Sep 23 08:11:41 khertan, who's your favourite conductor Sep 23 08:11:47 smaug____, with the keyboard Sep 23 08:12:07 khertan, tu te debrouilles tres bien, mais j'ai quand meme le droit de mal comprendre parfois :) Sep 23 08:12:23 ah, found Sep 23 08:12:37 ghostcube, whatev mate :) Sep 23 08:12:48 ;) Sep 23 08:13:41 ghostcube, again, it's really not about *you* making mistakes, it's about more about helping out than anything else. English isn't my native language either :) Sep 23 08:14:00 i know about i just want to bother you a bit :P Sep 23 08:14:03 after the first one Sep 23 08:14:06 np Sep 23 08:14:19 ok, but again to my cups problem Sep 23 08:14:22 its strange one Sep 23 08:14:24 crashanddie, i listen often some from a small orchestra of a french small town where i learn piano. They have record some cd but aren't well know Sep 23 08:14:32 maybe anyone a idea about it ? Sep 23 08:14:53 khertan, did you hear about the MusOpen project? Sep 23 08:15:13 crashanddie, nope Sep 23 08:16:12 it's a project to record public domain recordings of pieces that have been copyright-free for centuries Sep 23 08:16:53 oh nice Sep 23 08:17:07 they managed to gather $68000 Sep 23 08:17:12 in about 5 days Sep 23 08:17:32 they were hoping for $11k, went a bit bigger than that Sep 23 08:17:38 :) Sep 23 08:20:30 crashanddie, what are this small local meego meeting ? Sep 23 08:21:00 eh? Sep 23 08:22:23 crashanddie, http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Local_MeeGo_Networks Sep 23 08:27:13 no idae Sep 23 08:27:53 i just ask myself what there are talking about as there is nothing to see and nothing to talk Sep 23 08:27:54 :) Sep 23 08:53:00 Swappolube thread overrun by lemmings, unsubscribing... Sep 23 08:56:00 anyway to make the n900 act as a bluetooth headset? or atleast as a bluetooth speaker? Sep 23 09:25:53 hello Sep 23 09:26:20 anyone know if is possible to listen on dbus for the notifications events ? Sep 23 09:29:57 yes it is Sep 23 09:30:29 i believe you can find examples @ wiki Sep 23 09:31:23 example on wiki shows only how to sends notifications.... Sep 23 09:33:38 re Sep 23 09:33:53 b0unc3: use google Sep 23 09:35:01 jacekowski, that's what I've done, before asking here Sep 23 09:38:56 can anybody with chromium reproduce http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=54556 for me? Sep 23 09:39:20 would be nice to know if it is a debian specific issue or a real upstream bug Sep 23 09:46:40 is the TeamViewer on N900? Sep 23 09:50:12 nope Sep 23 09:50:19 hi Sep 23 09:52:56 lindi-, Not confirmed. I can see the maps Sep 23 09:55:29 is the TeamViewer on N900? Sep 23 09:55:34 app Sep 23 09:57:45 why isn't FLASH 10.1 on N900? Sep 23 09:58:16 lolloo: ask adobe Sep 23 09:58:33 lolloo: that's a pretty dumb question tbh, why do you think flash 10.1 isn't on the N900? Sep 23 09:58:41 it isn't Sep 23 09:59:02 lrn2google Sep 23 09:59:19 * Papayawhip looking for a cup of popcorn :) Sep 23 09:59:33 * admiral0 too Sep 23 10:00:54 does firefox have flash plug-in for maemo? Sep 23 10:01:10 I hate flash 9 bad baaad Sep 23 10:01:33 when is flash 10.1 will come to maemo or linuks Sep 23 10:01:48 lolloo: why do you hate flash 9? Sep 23 10:02:00 rofl Sep 23 10:02:08 GNU/Linux has flash 10, but on desktop Sep 23 10:02:10 * satmd has flash 10 beta, 64bits on his linux Sep 23 10:02:32 with beta vulns too? Sep 23 10:02:42 probably Sep 23 10:03:01 Corsac: i see you prefer nspluginwrapper :) Sep 23 10:03:14 * satmd has no multilib support :( Sep 23 10:03:16 what is Vulns? Sep 23 10:03:21 so I only can use that one Sep 23 10:03:25 short for vulnerability Sep 23 10:03:41 satmd: what distro is that? Sep 23 10:03:52 gentoo Sep 23 10:04:00 amigadave: I especially don't use flash Sep 23 10:04:04 I decided for myself to go no-multilib, but... Sep 23 10:04:15 I didn't expect flash to not be real 64bits yet Sep 23 10:04:37 it was. then it stopped, now it's again 64 bits Sep 23 10:04:53 there's another story about adobe Sep 23 10:04:56 i'm waiting for lightspark Sep 23 10:05:04 many of us probably remember the problems with non-ascii and spaces Sep 23 10:05:12 and how they got rid of it in reader 9 Sep 23 10:05:23 satmd: link? Sep 23 10:05:36 well, the reason is... the api they've been using all that time... doesn't exist anymore so they had to move to unicode Sep 23 10:06:00 don't have one Sep 23 10:06:10 found out firsthand Sep 23 10:07:08 our company gets a lot of pdfs with russian file names Sep 23 10:07:14 and I'm the one told to "fix it" Sep 23 10:07:16 :/ Sep 23 10:07:25 and you lol a lot, i presume Sep 23 10:07:47 about some things, but most make me sad Sep 23 10:08:19 mostly the stuff that is known for a loooong time and vendors still ignoring reality Sep 23 10:08:20 likeusing reader while there are a lot of poppler-based open readers? Sep 23 10:08:57 s/likeusing reader/like using adobe reader/ Sep 23 10:08:57 admiral0 meant: like using adobe reader while there are a lot of poppler-based open readers? Sep 23 10:09:09 infobot: <3 Sep 23 10:09:10 I love you. <3 Sep 23 10:09:23 that's only half of the truth Sep 23 10:09:48 poppler itself is also having vulns regularily Sep 23 10:10:11 is there an app/a command that can show me how full the battery is charged and how long it will take to be fully charged? Sep 23 10:10:20 also, it doesn't do the propietary stuff we depend on :( Sep 23 10:10:33 summel: advanced power Sep 23 10:10:40 satmd: the kernel? Sep 23 10:10:44 no, the app Sep 23 10:10:52 *searches* Sep 23 10:10:53 iirc in testing Sep 23 10:11:19 k Sep 23 10:11:33 Well - sometimes you can convince devs to add functionality with cash. Sep 23 10:11:54 yep, it's the way oss works actually Sep 23 10:12:06 SpeedEvil: tried that didnt work : Sep 23 10:12:08 :S Sep 23 10:13:20 * satmd still is trying to convince his boss to go oss Sep 23 10:13:25 mainly for security reasons Sep 23 10:13:32 we work in research Sep 23 10:13:48 and I actually do audit some of the code Sep 23 10:13:56 satmd: i installed it but it is only a "widget" in the status area dropdown` Sep 23 10:13:56 ? Sep 23 10:14:26 summel: yes, but that dropdown will tell you how long the battery will hold enough power Sep 23 10:14:31 hm Sep 23 10:14:38 or how long it'll charge Sep 23 10:14:48 it displays on that it is charging and then the infinity smybol :O Sep 23 10:14:55 mhm Sep 23 10:14:57 i guess it shouldnt take THAT long Sep 23 10:14:57 :D Sep 23 10:15:08 I thought it did calculate charge time, too Sep 23 10:15:08 :( Sep 23 10:15:14 idk Sep 23 10:15:15 :/ Sep 23 10:15:20 but thanks anyways Sep 23 10:15:42 * satmd is missing this feature, too Sep 23 10:15:58 * satmd has a question himself Sep 23 10:16:09 summel: do you understand what :(){ :|:& };: is? Sep 23 10:16:13 what does it mean if my bug on b.m.o gets an alias of int-...? Sep 23 10:16:25 smiley gangbang Sep 23 10:16:25 satmd: that someone takes it seriousy Sep 23 10:16:27 * satmd runs Sep 23 10:16:27 l Sep 23 10:16:31 Stskeeps: yay :D Sep 23 10:16:51 SpeedEvil: uhm regex? :o Sep 23 10:16:56 hopefully they turn to me for more information or feedback, too :) Sep 23 10:17:30 summel: Ok - not too stupid a wrong answer - there is a script that does it - but not a clean user solution. Sep 23 10:17:35 Stskeeps, i got an error with obs build that i didn't understand ... maybe you can help me :) : /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.5b8jtA: line 40: fg: no job control Sep 23 10:17:35 error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.5b8jtA (%install) Sep 23 10:17:48 summel: Do you have power kernel installed? Sep 23 10:17:50 https://build.obs.maemo.org/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=python-qt4&project=home%3Akhertan&repository=MeeGo_1.0_Core Sep 23 10:17:56 SpeedEvil: no Sep 23 10:18:03 no job control. hmm. Sep 23 10:18:16 yep but what 's that ... Sep 23 10:18:18 Ok - easy then - see http://qkwv.com/bat.jpg Sep 23 10:18:18 if it were a desktop, I'd say... no real console Sep 23 10:18:19 argh Sep 23 10:18:20 not that Sep 23 10:18:23 do i just install it from the app manager or do i have to do some work? Sep 23 10:18:26 stupid autocomplte Sep 23 10:18:32 omg Sep 23 10:18:32 :D Sep 23 10:18:34 SpeedEvil, lol Sep 23 10:18:37 lol. Sep 23 10:19:13 http://www.mauve.plus.com/bat.tar.gz Sep 23 10:19:20 * satmd has ONE question less to ask :D Sep 23 10:19:34 This is a script made by ShadowJ - it polls the battery meter. Sep 23 10:19:35 does anybody know if there is a easy way to build cmake projects with nokia sdk? Sep 23 10:19:56 SpeedEvil: thx i try Sep 23 10:20:03 it does only work with the power kernel= Sep 23 10:20:05 ? Sep 23 10:20:15 the hard way is to write nokiasdk.cmake Sep 23 10:20:22 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption - http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Sep 23 10:20:29 summelno - only works without Sep 23 10:20:54 bin/bq27200.sh 20 LOOPMODE=20 mv RSOC CSOC mA NAC CACD CACT TTF TTE TEMP EDV1 LOW 18:36 4092 100 100 -134 1187 1187 1187 65535 530 37 0 Sep 23 10:21:03 argh - see the above wiki page Sep 23 10:21:12 power kernel=awesome Sep 23 10:21:14 anyway - the TTF field is time till full. Sep 23 10:21:22 It isn't very accurate. Sep 23 10:21:37 RSOC is % ull Sep 23 10:21:39 full Sep 23 10:22:56 is there any bq27200-based battery widget out there? Sep 23 10:23:33 ah ok Sep 23 10:24:02 oO more then 8 hours? Sep 23 10:24:03 :S Sep 23 10:25:09 satmd: http://blog.admiral0.org/2010/09/bot-love/ you ended here Sep 23 10:25:45 summel: what's the percentage charge? Sep 23 10:25:50 15 Sep 23 10:25:54 Oh - that's in minutes Sep 23 10:26:01 time till full Sep 23 10:26:07 :O Sep 23 10:26:09 yes Sep 23 10:26:17 oh Sep 23 10:26:20 ah Sep 23 10:26:21 yes Sep 23 10:26:24 it says Sep 23 10:26:39 TTF 469 minutes Sep 23 10:26:39 :O Sep 23 10:26:39 496 Sep 23 10:26:55 right - what's it plugged into? Sep 23 10:27:04 And is it doing anything Sep 23 10:27:43 http://www.fonearena.com/blog/23073/smartphone-championship-semi-final-nokia-n900-vs-palm-pre.html fuck yea Sep 23 10:27:58 SpeedEvil: my macbook Sep 23 10:28:04 and no just running the terminal app Sep 23 10:28:07 not even wifi enabled Sep 23 10:28:30 ah - if the screen is bright - turn it down to minimum Sep 23 10:28:36 Or lock it. Sep 23 10:28:46 then unlock it, and re-look at xterm 30s later Sep 23 10:29:10 k Sep 23 10:30:05 still over 4 hours atm Sep 23 10:30:07 but better Sep 23 10:30:26 What is the reported charge current? Sep 23 10:30:42 mA Sep 23 10:30:48 When 4h is reported Sep 23 10:31:29 240 ? Sep 23 10:31:44 with 4.8 hours Sep 23 10:31:50 That's a bit low. for 15% charge Sep 23 10:31:57 With screen blanked? Sep 23 10:33:51 yes Sep 23 10:33:59 ill check again in a few minutes Sep 23 10:34:14 or maybe i looked at the wrong numbers :D Sep 23 10:34:56 318 Sep 23 10:35:03 hm no Sep 23 10:35:13 NAC is 259 mAh Sep 23 10:35:20 CACD is 259 Sep 23 10:35:21 tha'ts current capacity Sep 23 10:35:26 and CACT also Sep 23 10:35:28 259mAh Sep 23 10:35:34 It can provide 259mA for 1h Sep 23 10:35:51 The charger will charge it much faster. Sep 23 10:36:06 yes but i left it at home :( Sep 23 10:52:48 usb host can provide no more than 500mA. Now if your system is running some heavy computing tasks (check system load, htop), or any of the power hogs like display backlight, GSM TX, gfy accel, is active then the system will bite out a huge chunk of that 500mA available, so charging current goes way down to 350, 300, 250 Sep 23 10:53:39 DocScrutinizer: as i said... im charging using the usb port on my laptop Sep 23 10:53:44 actually the system in some situations can consume even more power than usb host can deliver, so despite hoked up to a usb host the batery gets discharged Sep 23 10:54:02 summel: that's why I'm writing this :-D Sep 23 10:54:12 ah :D Sep 23 11:05:08 hmm anyone having cupsd running on N900 and maybe can help me with my cupsd not starting right problem? Sep 23 11:05:25 vnc lets you control ur pc Sep 23 11:06:03 sometimes I have the feeling lolloo is a bot Sep 23 11:08:11 lolloo: wrong channel? or am i missing something? Sep 23 11:08:38 VNC is in repo for N900 Sep 23 11:08:43 check it out Sep 23 11:10:29 oh, it actually wasn't meant to be a response to anything Sep 23 11:10:40 VNC is pretty well known, i'd've thought Sep 23 11:10:48 but yeah, it's cool Sep 23 11:10:53 i have the client and server installed Sep 23 11:12:06 y'know, you can pay money to buy a VNC client for the iphone that costs money Sep 23 11:12:30 hmmm who needs an iphone o.O Sep 23 11:16:13 ghostcube: i can only conclude that stuff costing money is a feature Sep 23 11:16:15 ghostcube, it might be the best handheld gaming device atm :) Sep 23 11:16:28 pexi: the iphone has emulators? Sep 23 11:16:44 pexi: ok thats right :D Sep 23 11:17:45 BCMM, you actually play with n900? Sep 23 11:18:02 meh, not a great deal; i have a desktop Sep 23 11:18:42 i have tried with different emus and stuff, but the experience is so.. well you can guess :) Sep 23 11:19:01 this new 3d engine coming for ios4 is well done Sep 23 11:19:07 the demo looks cool Sep 23 11:19:14 actually dune2 almost burnt my leg.. gladly the phone did also survive :) Sep 23 11:19:24 ghostcube, the id software one? Sep 23 11:19:25 haha Sep 23 11:19:44 woah no idea i read about in c't Sep 23 11:19:51 yes unreal engine Sep 23 11:24:31 FYI (hostmode) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 Sep 23 11:29:00 DocScrutinizer: fuckin' awesome Sep 23 11:29:23 mmmh? Sep 23 11:29:51 the hostmode thingy :)= Sep 23 11:29:54 er, :) Sep 23 11:30:33 hostmode is awesome, the post however has few awesome details. Best in it is first & 2nd line Sep 23 11:31:11 well, i don't know those people Sep 23 11:31:18 hi Sep 23 11:31:22 but if they're good hackers, it's only good for the n900 Sep 23 11:31:32 yes, exactly Sep 23 11:39:37 hehe Sep 23 11:45:41 how can i make the xterm beep on an N900 Sep 23 11:45:43 ? Sep 23 11:48:39 play-sound /usr/share/sounds/game-chess_checkmate.wav Sep 23 11:48:56 o_o Sep 23 11:49:00 ;) Sep 23 11:49:13 i mean the echo -e "\a" Sep 23 11:49:21 is not working Sep 23 11:50:51 I know. Sep 23 11:50:55 I don't thnk it does Sep 23 11:53:32 max__: toldya, you're out of luck. Actually toldya twice Sep 23 11:55:07 on desktop consoles rely on root console to output their beep via IO there. desktop xterm is using whatever audio device is configured. maemo xterm seems doesn't support it Sep 23 11:55:38 so that perl hook with irssi will help mybe Sep 23 11:56:28 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/osso-xterm - laims that there is a source package Sep 23 11:57:02 there is Sep 23 11:57:04 it's oss Sep 23 11:57:06 libvte and osso-xterm Sep 23 12:08:58 Any of you guys played with matan's 9 desktop hack along with desktop activity manager? Sep 23 12:10:16 ? Sep 23 12:11:27 Corsac, you do? ever found out the magic number for how long it will take for the varied background pics to be changed as per various theme setup? Sep 23 12:12:02 psycho_oreos: I didn't, I don't even know what it is :) Sep 23 12:13:11 greetings, gents. Sep 23 12:13:14 Corsac, ahh, matan's 9 desktop hack isn't new and it isn't well supported, by default n900 gives you 4 desktops, matan's hack gives you up to 9.. and then there's desktop activity manager which can change user's backgrounds/shortcuts/widget's placement with a few clicks Sep 23 12:13:21 are any of you fine fellows using shortcutd? Sep 23 12:13:33 I use but not much, why? Sep 23 12:14:00 was hoping i could use it to answer a phone call via a physical button, but i'm not having much luck Sep 23 12:14:40 using the dbus script, but i'm not sure if maybe there's an incompatibility with the 1.2 firmware... or why it wouldn't work Sep 23 12:15:33 wait, you mean kinda like speed dial but attached to a physical button? Sep 23 12:16:33 no, when a call comes in, i want to answer it via a physical button. my only real problem with the phone is accidentally hanging up on people in the process of getting the phone out of my pocket and hitting the 'answer' button Sep 23 12:17:13 and there doesn't seem to be a GUI solution coming, ie. a slider to replace the buttons on the screen Sep 23 12:17:46 is there a reason dpkg cant do reconfigure? Sep 23 12:17:55 ahh I haven't tried that, my solution was having one of those phone holders that strap onto yer belt and/or using bluetooth headset Sep 23 12:19:20 hostmode prealpha now out, looking forward to hearing feedback from non-noobs (sorry :P) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824298#post824298 Sep 23 12:19:24 gah. neither of those is going to work for me. going to try switching cases, but i imagine i'm still going to have a lot of problems when the phone's in my pocket. not sure why a slider solution can't be made available. Sep 23 12:20:08 hmmm definetly dpkg on N900 is missing reconfigure Sep 23 12:21:00 ghostcube, you maybe able to add that option if you get dpkg-dev version from scratchbox (do note that the pre-packed stuff for scratchbox aren't meant to be used on n900 but you can only if you wanted to) Sep 23 12:21:18 where is the kernel crash log on the n900? Sep 23 12:21:34 psycho_oreos: i want to try reconfiguring my cupsd :) so it works again Sep 23 12:21:46 after installation of power kernel it stoped for a reason Sep 23 12:21:54 superchode, I guess part of the issue is that n900 wasn't meant to function as a proper phone.. it was released as an internet tablet with phone functionality hooked on... there's lots of other issues with n900 Sep 23 12:22:12 i'm getting at least one kernel crash per day lately :\ Sep 23 12:22:18 i never answer calls with my n900 Sep 23 12:22:29 ghostcube, heh normally a log somewhere would help.. maybe in /var/log/ Sep 23 12:22:29 i have another phone for that Sep 23 12:22:50 yeah i installed sysklogd for this and found out its an cupsd.conf porblem Sep 23 12:23:07 after setting one i found cups/error_log claiming about an mailformed cupsd.conf Sep 23 12:23:17 but i never had one :) Sep 23 12:23:23 yeah, nothing really useful in /var/log/ Sep 23 12:23:34 psycho_oreos, or, more likely, someone was just incompetent and didnt realise that a resistive screen would mean people would accidently answer it thanks to pressure Sep 23 12:23:38 pigeon: sysklogd is starting syslog Sep 23 12:23:45 ghostcube, probably you might need to make one I suppose lol Sep 23 12:23:58 Termana: or the n900 is not a phone ;) Sep 23 12:24:01 psycho_oreos: yeah, the 'not-a-phone' thing doesn't really carry much water Sep 23 12:24:04 psycho_oreos: lol i have but now the cups page only shows source code in html Sep 23 12:24:04 pigeon, no, by default there's no kernel log.. though installing syslog may help Sep 23 12:24:07 no real page :D Sep 23 12:24:18 just put a slider on there. or, when you realize there's a problem, add a slider then Sep 23 12:24:36 Termana, I'd still say n900 is released as a premature baby :) Sep 23 12:25:06 the phone functionality is just fine... other than the fact i keep hanging up on people accidentally Sep 23 12:25:07 ghostcube, lol well I dunno, I hardly ever bothered with cupsd let alone fiddling it on me n900 Sep 23 12:25:23 maybe i ask in cups hmm Sep 23 12:25:33 cups is huge Sep 23 12:25:35 I hate to tell everyone that trys to say its not a phone - that is the worst excuse ever. Nokia sell it as a phone. It is even on some (non-US) carriers subsidized. Sep 23 12:25:45 why would you install it on the n900 Sep 23 12:25:57 host mode doesn't even work Sep 23 12:25:57 i bought it subsidized here in the netherlands. one year plan Sep 23 12:26:05 it's a phone! Sep 23 12:26:16 blutooth Sep 23 12:26:21 bluetooth printers exist Sep 23 12:26:26 as indeed to wlan printers Sep 23 12:26:31 and other networked forms Sep 23 12:27:00 why would you need cups for a network printer Sep 23 12:27:09 it probably *has* cups Sep 23 12:27:09 lol Sep 23 12:27:18 here we go again about n900 not being a phone -_-' Sep 23 12:27:25 senseless and moot topic Sep 23 12:27:34 fine, it's a crappy phone Sep 23 12:27:43 happy? Sep 23 12:27:53 kerio: define crappy Sep 23 12:27:54 kerio: printer is not with cups i want to get an wlan printserver to work on my n900 Sep 23 12:28:05 *with Sep 23 12:28:09 i'd say it's a great smartphone. except i keep hanging up on people accidentally! Sep 23 12:28:30 its not a crappy phone, it was premature because nokia didn't want to spend too much time on potentially what would have been dubbed as vapourware I suppose Sep 23 12:28:48 jpinx-eeepc: low battery life for a phone, weird sound system, clumsy and unintuitive ui Sep 23 12:28:53 (for a phone) Sep 23 12:28:57 I use n900 as a phone (main phone) but I still have my aging n95-1 as backup Sep 23 12:28:58 exact for a phone Sep 23 12:29:06 I think I'll look and see how awful this looks in IE Sep 23 12:29:10 i came from an iphone, and the n900 provides, for me, a better experience Sep 23 12:29:10 never was the attention of the N900 to be an only use for call phone Sep 23 12:29:14 kerio, no one said it was crappy phone. Nor that it was a crappy product. Simply that saying it isn't a phone is not an excuse Sep 23 12:29:40 kerio: interesting - 'cos I went from a Nokie 6310i to a n900 . never had any other smart phone, and I found it eay to use Sep 23 12:30:16 superchode: I'd agree - my gf has an iPhone and it's crap by comparison Sep 23 12:30:31 now, if i could stop hanging up on people, i'd be all set Sep 23 12:30:33 jpinx-eeepc: heh, the fact that maemo is better than symbian or iOS is not arguable imo Sep 23 12:30:40 :) Sep 23 12:30:40 well the n900 wasn't to function purely as a phone but because it has phone capabilities people just dubbed it as a phone rather than internet tablet with phone functionality for simplistic sake Sep 23 12:30:58 yeah... right Sep 23 12:31:53 superchode: how do you do that? Sep 23 12:32:04 hang up on people? Sep 23 12:32:07 yea Sep 23 12:32:20 it generally happens as i pull the phone out of my pocket Sep 23 12:32:37 My previous phone had less battery life than N900 - when doing the same thing as I do on N900. :) Sep 23 12:32:54 using your hands is overrated - buy a BT headset ;) Sep 23 12:33:14 :P Sep 23 12:33:16 superchode: ah . set the screen to be off, use the slidy switch to activate, and keep turning activation off for the phone function - it's a real pita Sep 23 12:33:41 even if you lock the screen, an incoming call will unlock it Sep 23 12:34:03 or are you saying there's a way around that? Sep 23 12:34:13 superchode: ok - can't say I've noticed that, but I'll wqtch for it ;) Sep 23 12:35:04 a slide to answer or reject on the phone GUI would fix it, obviously. i'm not sure if that's possible from anyone other than nokia, though Sep 23 12:35:35 nokia probably can but they're too busy on their new project now.. meego Sep 23 12:36:04 going to try an invisible shield instead of the wrap-around case i use now... see if that helps Sep 23 12:36:29 a bit frustrating that the simple/logical solution isn't implemented or going to be, though Sep 23 12:38:06 superchode: I'll have a rummage through settings/configs later - remind me tomorrow maybe ;) Sep 23 12:38:27 MohammadAG, no source? ;) Sep 23 12:38:43 alright. i had a go, but i'm not an expert (only had the phone for a month or so). couldn't get the screen lock to stay active when a call was coming in Sep 23 12:39:18 superchode: I agree - it should ring only if you want Sep 23 12:39:36 and the little indicator light come on Sep 23 12:39:45 but not the whole screen Sep 23 12:40:51 they seem to be relying on the proximity sensor, but that doesn't provide any sort of reliability Sep 23 12:41:32 it's obviously not doing it's thing if yours is in a case and still comes on Sep 23 12:42:20 was trying to setup shortcutd so that i could answer the call while the phone's still in my pocket, via a physical button, and then take it out Sep 23 12:42:52 i use the phone for work... can't really be hanging up on people all the time. Sep 23 12:43:01 hell no ..... Sep 23 12:43:19 I'll take a look later.... food now... Sep 23 12:43:24 heh. thanks. Sep 23 12:45:04 MohammadAG, nevermind, I found patches :) Sep 23 12:50:07 ( a slide to answer or reject on the phone GUI would fix it, obviously) My suggestion since months Sep 23 12:51:05 the idea was along tweaking some gtk/qt lib.so that provide the buttons, to have a special button on this special location Sep 23 12:51:29 maybe using ldpreload. Or even hard patching the dialer binary Sep 23 12:53:43 looking at the maemo forums, this solution is pretty well documented, as an idea. but there doesn't seem to be any developed that can be thrown on the phone to address it Sep 23 12:53:58 any app or hack, i mean Sep 23 12:54:20 none I heard of, yeah Sep 23 12:55:18 I'm also constantly pissed of the proximity of accept and reject button, and the poor usability wrt accidentally hitting any of those buttons Sep 23 12:55:32 yeah, it sucks, frankly Sep 23 12:56:12 funny thing is that i don't really have any other complaints with the phone functionality. it's a good phone, with a shitty interface when a call comes in Sep 23 12:56:57 yeah, since *# basic phone functions are quite good Sep 23 12:57:35 ;-D Sep 23 12:57:52 change the theme Sep 23 12:58:03 for your phone it helped me Sep 23 12:58:29 do you have a specific suggestion as to a theme that helps with the call answer interface? Sep 23 12:58:36 Doc: According to the worldwide blogging masses, "this feature is still missing from N900" though =) Sep 23 12:58:40 yes I do Sep 23 12:58:47 i don't suppose there's any with a slider Sep 23 12:59:10 try okuda theme Sep 23 12:59:13 k Sep 23 12:59:52 isnt okuda the one with the strange sounds? Sep 23 12:59:56 the star trek theme? Sep 23 13:00:01 ah! Sep 23 13:00:16 maybe Sep 23 13:00:23 it's a trap! Sep 23 13:00:25 but the theme is faaaast Sep 23 13:00:29 hahaha Sep 23 13:00:31 and ugly as hell Sep 23 13:00:33 o.O Sep 23 13:00:46 RST38h: who cares about blogosphere? Sep 23 13:01:23 feels like a weird hostile parallel universe to me Sep 23 13:03:04 ghostcube: tbh the term "ugly as hell" has lost its meaning to me, during the last ~3 years Sep 23 13:03:22 yeah. this looks a bit funny. we'll have to see if it helps on the call answer interface. Sep 23 13:03:33 sometimes I think hell has to be a nice cosy place compared to some other shit Sep 23 13:04:07 * superchode waits for a phone call Sep 23 13:04:53 frals? Sep 23 13:06:25 DocScrutinizer: hrhr Sep 23 13:06:29 hahaha @ superchode Sep 23 13:06:38 want me to call ya? Sep 23 13:06:48 it does look a bit like someone barfed inside the phone... hopefully it's worth it Sep 23 13:06:53 hahaha Sep 23 13:07:07 superchode: you installed the sounds too? Sep 23 13:07:10 no Sep 23 13:07:13 this will drive u nuts Sep 23 13:07:17 I like it cause it's dark and doesnt hurt my eyes Sep 23 13:07:17 oh ok :D Sep 23 13:07:31 the default theme is dark as well Sep 23 13:07:38 i run the andoroid theme Sep 23 13:07:40 works fine Sep 23 13:08:01 i didn't realize it was possible to change the call answer screen layout via a theme Sep 23 13:08:12 is there any way to see what people have done with it? Sep 23 13:08:21 yes it's faster with this theme Sep 23 13:08:35 but still laid out in the exact same way? Sep 23 13:08:36 and always check with always rotate Sep 23 13:08:42 when incoming call Sep 23 13:08:51 you can find it in menu Sep 23 13:09:15 if the 'answer' button was above the 'reject' button, i'd accidentally answer the phone instead of accidentally hanging up. Sep 23 13:09:19 that would be more convenient Sep 23 13:09:30 does fmms only work over 3G? or can you use it via wireless? Sep 23 13:09:32 ping Sep 23 13:09:46 pong Sep 23 13:09:52 FireFly|n900, fmms works over GSM here Sep 23 13:09:54 not wifi Sep 23 13:09:58 hmm Sep 23 13:09:59 thought so Sep 23 13:10:00 but GPRS/MMS makes it work Sep 23 13:10:05 bloody t mobile Sep 23 13:10:17 i never tried it on 3g because i don't have any signal here Sep 23 13:10:58 hmm ty :) Sep 23 13:11:04 time to spank t mobile Sep 23 13:11:15 Usually the mms servers aren't accessible from the internet Sep 23 13:11:50 ShadowJK thats what i thought. But thought i would ask :0 Sep 23 13:13:45 FireStorm|: ? Sep 23 13:13:55 it's ok they answered quesition :) Sep 23 13:13:59 ok Sep 23 13:14:40 ok, that's what i thought. the call answer interface is exactly the same, just in a different colour. a theme doesn't seem to be the solution. plus the screens are way more sluggish now. Sep 23 13:17:26 ShadowJK: wouldnt that mean that i would have to pay for reading an mms? Sep 23 13:20:44 eep thunderstorm Sep 23 13:21:05 even just 'hot-wiring' the default call answer GUI to switch the functionality of the answer and reject buttons would be a solution for me... Sep 23 13:30:28 Hi..I am not able to display words(Indian language support) on Qt simulator ..need help.. :( Sep 23 13:31:44 Hi, I have a car running Maemo 6, quad core 1200cc petrol injection engine, but the wheels are not connected to the car ... need help... :( Sep 23 13:32:33 crashanddie, yo purchased a flying car, it has no wheels Sep 23 13:33:25 but I paid 2000 extra per wheel for the titanium/carbon fibre rims! They sent 12 of them! Sep 23 13:33:58 is any one here for help.. Sep 23 13:34:28 ramz, you might have more luck in #qt Sep 23 13:38:33 lol Sep 23 13:40:40 * jpinx-eeepc sends crashanddie a parachute and a lollipop Sep 23 13:41:08 yeah, good luck, maemo in a car sounds dangerous :P Sep 23 13:41:43 ieatlint, maemo was in cars before :) Sep 23 13:41:48 the n810 mapping tool was awesome Sep 23 13:41:54 ieatlint, i already have maemo in my car Sep 23 13:42:07 directly connected the calculator engine Sep 23 13:44:12 good maps on maemo? i don't believe it Sep 23 13:45:07 i did notice someone made an app for the n900 to connect to one of the OBD-II bluetooth dongles Sep 23 13:45:23 am tempted to buy one of the dongles now Sep 23 13:46:36 obdII in general is ok for bigger probs a no go Sep 23 13:46:51 actually a mapping program that also used the car's onboard computer to help generate stats Sep 23 13:46:58 would be awesome Sep 23 13:47:23 i'd love to have a track log giving gps coords, speed, gear, rpms and fuel consumption Sep 23 13:48:08 ieatlint: there was a program on maemo 4 that did all that Sep 23 13:48:32 http://openbossa.indt.org/carman/ Sep 23 13:48:33 yeah, stupid simple i guess Sep 23 13:48:42 just polling data, no calculation even Sep 23 13:51:11 Hi. What's a good program for maemo5 that lets me browse the dbus, see what signals are available, etc.? Equivalent of qdbus on KDE? Someone mentioned one, called mdbusviewer or something like that? Sep 23 13:52:14 kwtm, mdbus2 and the standard dbus-monitor tool are 2 utils I know of Sep 23 13:53:21 MNZ: Thanks, will try mdbus2 (if I recall, dbus-monitor requires a bit more work, e.g. need to already know what programs have hooked up to the dbus or something --can't remmeber.) Sep 23 13:53:33 :D Sep 23 13:54:37 kwtm, yeah it's more raw and it basically dumps everything that's being sent Sep 23 13:54:53 I have not found a way to find out which program is listening for which signal though Sep 23 13:55:22 and according to #dbus, that's not possible at all unless you listen to the program's library calls to libdbus to see what it hooks to Sep 23 13:56:26 ieatlint, my car use a proprietary like odb connector so i do it my self and use some python script to communicate Sep 23 13:57:08 the script was mainly a fork of the project that was using odb2 on diablo Sep 23 13:57:38 kwtm, d-feet is useless Sep 23 13:58:29 MNZ, hum i ll try maybe it ll help me to find my dbus notification pb on khweeteur :) Sep 23 13:59:29 Khertan, I gave it quick try with gdb but didn't bother to investigate further, mainly because I have close to 0 knowledge of dbus Sep 23 13:59:35 MNZ, mdbus2 is available in the repository ? Sep 23 13:59:56 yes it is Sep 23 14:00:00 hum Sep 23 14:00:16 extras-devel Sep 23 14:00:30 hum ... so refresh Sep 23 14:00:31 :) Sep 23 14:05:13 found :) Sep 23 14:06:02 * Khertan should stop to do so many things at the same time Sep 23 14:06:41 I found an up-to-date version on extras-testing, same as on extras- devel, so I'll pull it frmo there. Sep 23 14:07:33 That way in case I accidentally update anything ("hey! THere's a new update to the Linux kernel available!") at least I'll have pulled from extras-testing and not extras-devel. Just as a safer habit. Sep 23 14:08:48 i keep the habbit to use apt, and extras-devel activated all time :) Sep 23 14:08:57 just to test my own package Sep 23 14:08:58 :) Sep 23 14:09:07 curious: why is d-feet useless, Khertan? Just that it is not yet mature and does not have many features? Or is it actually buggy? Sep 23 14:09:23 Khertan: You use apt with su? Or sudo? Sep 23 14:09:38 d-feet is useless for debugging purpose :) Sep 23 14:10:00 kwtm, i change user for root Sep 23 14:10:07 so mainly : su root :) Sep 23 14:11:03 Okay. I'm basically looking for the signal that switches the N900 to silent profile. Clearly, alsamixer is not the way to go: even if I set volume to zero, some other app comes in, ignores the volume setting, and sets of all sorts of beeping and dinging, and when I check alsamixer, volume is still zero., Sep 23 14:11:30 I tried TimedSilencer, but basically I need a button that says, "Turn off sound for the next 60 minutes then turn it back on." Sep 23 14:12:32 kwtm, the silent profile doesn't help? Sep 23 14:13:23 MNZ: Yes, I want to use the silent profile, but want to automate it in that: 1) too many button clicks to turn on the silent profile, and 2) it doesn't switch back to general profile automatically after 1 hour. Sep 23 14:13:44 MNZ: Is there a CLI command for "use silent profile"? Sep 23 14:14:05 no idea Sep 23 14:14:55 dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.profiled /com/nokia/profiled com.nokia.profiled.set_profile string:"silent" Sep 23 14:15:02 dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.profiled /com/nokia/profiled com.nokia.profiled.set_profile string:"general" Sep 23 14:15:35 Khertan: Aha! It *was* a dbus signal! Thanks. That's what I wanted to catch on the N900. Thanks for saving me the trouble. Sep 23 14:16:24 some other interesting signal was in the maemo wiki : http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Sep 23 14:21:53 wow, thanks, Khertan. Yay! Now I can control the phone from the command-line and not have to rely on that stupid Nokia GUI. Sep 23 14:22:06 :) Sep 23 14:22:22 It takes, like, 2 seconds for the phone GUI to respond to my taps, and half the time I miss the calls. Sep 23 14:22:45 I think it's looking up the contacts database. That thing has got to be the slowest phone database existent. Sep 23 14:22:45 ouch ... not normal Sep 23 14:23:17 didn't have such problem Sep 23 14:23:23 I call up the contact list and press "A", and the N900 goes, "uhh.... duhh.... ooookay, now looking for contacts containing 'A'. Please wait 4-6 weeks for processing...." Sep 23 14:23:35 instant for me :) Sep 23 14:23:43 Apparently I have more contacts than other people. :P Sep 23 14:23:51 but how many contacts did you have ? Sep 23 14:23:55 >> 1000 ? Sep 23 14:24:01 more than 10 000 ? Sep 23 14:24:08 Khertan: Did you ever have problems importing your contacts? Apparently it only imports 1000 contacts at a time. Sep 23 14:24:15 I currently have something like 2500 contacts. Sep 23 14:24:33 I have only 1800, but is fast Sep 23 14:24:33 kwtm, nope didn't have any problems importing them Sep 23 14:24:34 Which I think is perfectly reasonable, given how long I have been building up this contact database. Sep 23 14:24:49 arround 2000 and it s really fast Sep 23 14:25:21 BugBlauw: Maybe it's something else slowing down the N900 --I saw in some forum that there was something I coujld do to make the N900 fast again (it gradually started slowing down). Already tried rebooting. Sep 23 14:28:15 Anyway, thanks for info --will try the dbus signals listed on the web page. Sep 23 14:28:23 Be back later! Sep 23 14:55:47 Not sure if everyone saw - but the N900 made it into the final on the fonearena Smartphone Championship :P Sep 23 14:55:59 We beat the Pre! :P Sep 23 14:58:57 ok. swapped out the wrap-around leather case for an invisible shield. we'll see if that makes the phone less prone to accidental hang-ups Sep 23 14:59:00 I voted. Sep 23 14:59:02 Twice. Sep 23 14:59:03 :) Sep 23 14:59:50 Termana: "We beat the Pre." No longer up to date on Palm now, but isn't the Pre obsolete? As in, "Darnit, we tried to boost sales by making the Pre 'open-source', but that fell flat, so now let's do the Palm Pixi!" Sep 23 15:00:27 kwtm, no? Sep 23 15:00:39 Termana: Okay. So Pre is still supported? Sep 23 15:00:46 The Pixi is the same OS anyway Sep 23 15:00:49 kwtm, yes Sep 23 15:00:50 * asedeno_work weeps for the PrÄ“. Sep 23 15:00:56 isn't the n900 obsolete too? Sep 23 15:01:06 Plus, the Pre has better hardware than the Pixi Sep 23 15:01:08 i see the iphone pulled the droid first round and lost Sep 23 15:01:57 The Pixi is an old MSM7xxx chipset (7xxx nor the QSD with Snapdragon or MSM8xxx with Snapdragon) vs the Pre's OMAP3430 Sep 23 15:02:02 doesn't negate the fact that i've only seen a few droids actually in people's hands here, and every 2nd person has an iphone Sep 23 15:02:08 not the* Sep 23 15:02:44 Corsac: :) Yeah, pretty much --if it weren't the only smartphone available that lets me use it like my laptop, I'd switch! (I hear Samsung is coming out with something...) Sep 23 15:03:05 Where should I look for news on the Smartphone Championship? Sep 23 15:03:34 superchode: It merely makes the iPhone a commodity and the others (like N900) attention-getters. :) Sep 23 15:04:10 Termana: Do the Pre or Pixi have shell access? I hear it's just like Droid in that the OS runs on top of Linux but otherwise shell scripts are uselless, you don't get Python, etc. etc. Sep 23 15:04:12 wow Sep 23 15:04:19 kwtm, which century do you live in? Sep 23 15:04:31 kwtm, fonearena.com - the latest article on it is here: http://www.fonearena.com/blog/23287/smatphone-championship-semi-final-xperia-x10-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-nokia-n900-beats-palm-pre.html Sep 23 15:05:37 samsung with bada os? Sep 23 15:05:53 kwtm, no, webOS runs a generally normal linux stack, except it doesn't seem to use Xorg IIRC, but you can install xorg. Sep 23 15:06:49 And apps are SUPPOSE to be written in Javascript/HTML - but I think they have a native access layer, but if you root it you can install native apps anyway Sep 23 15:07:27 Hi all! Sep 23 15:07:40 hello dneary Sep 23 15:07:41 I've been in meetings all day, but I just got time to generate election results Sep 23 15:07:41 ghostcube: No, some guy named "raster" said that Samsung's coming out with something that you can just pull Ubuntu packages onto. Not sure how much to believe, but since I won't be shopping for a new phone until next year, I can afford to wait and see. Sep 23 15:07:57 isnt this bada? Sep 23 15:08:04 the brand new samsung thingy? Sep 23 15:08:13 but you can run android on ubuntu in future :D Sep 23 15:08:15 No, apparently he said, "Don't bother with bada". But I'll just see. Sep 23 15:08:19 http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb10-22.html Sep 23 15:08:19 kwtm, Some guy called "raster" is the main developer behind Enlightenment and EFC Sep 23 15:08:20 ah ok Sep 23 15:08:28 kwtm, it's safe to believe raster. Sep 23 15:08:53 ghostcube: Other way around. You want Ubuntu to run on what you own, not something else to run on Ubuntu. Sep 23 15:09:01 cool, still have the option of .debs on a phone Sep 23 15:09:10 Termana: Okay. So there's even more credibility. Although I don't know how much to believe Samsung. Sep 23 15:09:36 For all I know, Microsoft could parachute in at the last minute and say, "Wait wait! Microsoft Windows for Geekphones v8 will be coming out Any Time Now!" Sep 23 15:09:43 I don't want ubuntu anywhere near anything I own Sep 23 15:09:50 I like my computers to work well Sep 23 15:10:33 dneary: and also the main developer behind that new linux thing from Samsung that's not bada Sep 23 15:10:39 kfx: Not the point: I want a phone *capable* of running apps written for desktop, which means that the phone will have access to a much larger collection of software than something like, Palm/iPhone, say, with apps specifically written for the phone. Sep 23 15:10:53 I don't know who his employer is (weather it's Samsung or not), but I know raster gets source access to certain closed things and early prototypes. So, if he says that somethings coming, hes probably violating an NDA and you should report it. lol kidding :P Sep 23 15:11:04 DocScrutinizer: Yeah, whatever you call it --NLTFSTNB (New Linux Thing From Samsung That's Not Bada) Sep 23 15:11:07 kwtm: me too! that's why I like my n810 and my n900 :) Sep 23 15:11:43 kfx: Ah, then you're probably the person to ask: do you have Gnumeric running on N900? Is it safe to pull in from extras-devel? Sep 23 15:12:02 kwtm, technically, you can do that on an Android phone as well Sep 23 15:12:11 Termana: I know raster good enough to tell you he doesn't violate NDAs Sep 23 15:12:13 By "safe" I mean "does not ruin the system in a way that needs command-line to fix". Sep 23 15:12:37 kwtm: I just leave extras-devel enabled all the time Sep 23 15:12:38 Termana: What, you mean run linux desktop apps on Android? Or there is a *port* of gnumeric to Android? Sep 23 15:12:56 DocScrutinizer, He probably isn't - but I haven't seen any announcements from Samsung about this new platform :P Sep 23 15:12:59 I use gnumeric -- if you have a really huge spreadsheet it will get really ugly Sep 23 15:13:05 kfx: Okay, more specific question: Is Gnumeric usable by Average Joe on the N900? Sep 23 15:13:10 but I mean, a spreadsheet with millions of rows Sep 23 15:13:14 kwtm: yes imo Sep 23 15:13:23 kfx: Thx. Will try it out. Sep 23 15:13:34 it won't break your device afaik Sep 23 15:13:46 worst case it runs a little slower than you'd like and you uninstall it :) Sep 23 15:13:56 kwtm, run linux desktop apps. As long as you have root access on your Android phone, you can set up a Debian chroot and install Debian apps. Sep 23 15:14:01 Termana: no? you haven't seen raster talking about it? Sep 23 15:14:35 DocScrutinizer, I haven't, actually, but that's not exactly what I would call an announcement from Samsung. Sep 23 15:14:48 Termana: does android run an x11 server? Sep 23 15:14:57 or do you have to install all that crap from debian Sep 23 15:15:03 Termana: have you seen any announcement of Nokia about N9? Sep 23 15:15:37 kfx, no Android runs in its own little bubble. You have to install it in Debian Sep 23 15:15:57 DocScrutinizer, bad analogy. Someone did violate an NDA showing the N9. Sep 23 15:16:49 Termana: so it sounds like installing eg gnumeric is way more of a pain in the ass on android than maemo Sep 23 15:16:59 How does this FoneArena championship work? Is it just votes? It's a popularity contest? Sep 23 15:17:09 Termana: see? that's why you haven't seen anything about that NLTFSTNB - raster isn't violating NDA Sep 23 15:17:20 Termana: Yeah, honestly, raster didn' Sep 23 15:17:42 Termana: Yeah, honestly, raster didn't say anything much more than "Have hope, Nokia's not the only one working on a Real Linux Phone" Sep 23 15:18:14 kfx, yes it is. Like I said, technically its possible. Weather you would want to do it, at least inside Android, is another thing. Sep 23 15:18:48 kwtm, it's just votes. I suppose it's a popularity contest. Sep 23 15:18:48 kwtm: I know a bit more about what raster is actually working on though Sep 23 15:19:59 i'd buy rasters ubuntu phone Sep 23 15:20:12 but then i bought an openmoko, so i'd buy anything Sep 23 15:20:22 I'd not - it's capacitive touchscreen :-P Sep 23 15:20:40 ew Sep 23 15:20:52 I hope someone holds out against this capacative screen fad Sep 23 15:21:51 What drawbacks should I look for with capacitive touchscreen, if I don't need to paint or use other pressure-sensitive apps? Sep 23 15:22:03 you can't use it while wearing gloves? Sep 23 15:22:44 no stylus, just wieners? Sep 23 15:22:49 DocScrutinizer: Bada exists, and will get onto phones. It's kind of like Samsung's Brew Sep 23 15:23:03 DocScrutinizer: I have high hopes for the RasterPhone, but I'm more wondering about the politics of it. I mean, Microsoft parachuted in with the OLPC at the last minute and put Windows on the OLPC... Sep 23 15:23:12 kfx, honestly - I've tried using my n900 with gloves, I don't think it works that great with resistive either. I mean, it works, but not very well. Sep 23 15:23:26 kfx: Alright, no gloves. What else? Sep 23 15:23:30 kfx, I had to end up using the stylus. You can get capacitive styluses as well Sep 23 15:24:13 no, you get capacitive wiener sausage Sep 23 15:24:22 dneary: not sure if you know this already, but raster was specifically referring to something OTHER THAN bada. Sep 23 15:24:37 Who's DocScrutinizer51? I wanna be DocScrutinizer102! Sep 23 15:26:02 I've had no problems using gloves on my n900 Sep 23 15:26:25 and sure you can get capacitive styluses but on the other hand any object I want is now my stylus Sep 23 15:26:38 including the back of the pen on my desk Sep 23 15:27:04 DOes capacitive touch work with anything other than fingers? Like a metal pen, for instance? Sep 23 15:27:17 also OLPC never shipped a single Windows XO Sep 23 15:27:29 and afaik no deployment nation signed such a deal with MS either Sep 23 15:27:31 olpc didn't? What did they ship? Sep 23 15:27:45 they ship an OS based on Fedora 11 Sep 23 15:27:56 Oh! That's good news. Sep 23 15:28:16 microsoft devoted engineering time to ensure that windows *could* be run on the laptop Sep 23 15:28:19 ...but nobody does that Sep 23 15:29:20 kwtm: metal pen yeah Sep 23 15:29:30 kwtm: but contact surface has to be big enough Sep 23 15:30:17 kfx: Ahh.. I see now. Thought it came with WinXO. Sep 23 15:31:49 kwtm: no, capacitive works with conductive *area*, so a usual metal sylus or pen doesn't Sep 23 15:31:59 What about durability? WHen I used my Palm III / TRGpro / Handera, there was always this trend that, after a year or so, the resistive touchscreen started getting spurious jumps (e.g. it would detect a tap as a stroke that started elsewhere and traveled to my fingertip). Does capacitive start to malfunction like that after a year or so? Sep 23 15:32:03 kwtm: MS's bullying was actually pretty handy. The XO-1 only has 1gb of non-upgradeable onboard storage. MS wanted a bootable SD card slot so there'd be room for windows ... so the machine shipped with an SDHC slot :) Sep 23 15:32:05 capaicitve stylii look like wieners Sep 23 15:32:28 kwtm: resistive technology has not been stagnant since the palm iii days Sep 23 15:32:36 kwtm: i never had that kind of problem with resistive Sep 23 15:32:40 kwtm, no. Plus that just sounds like bad design. Sep 23 15:32:41 kfx: Ah! No wonder the price went up. I read "MS drops in on OLPC -- now the $100 laptop costs $200" Sep 23 15:32:51 capacitive tends to depolarize (lose the static charge) and fails after a few years Sep 23 15:32:59 kwtm: it was never $100 Sep 23 15:33:32 kwtm: yeah it was a lot of work for no results as far as MS is concerned Sep 23 15:33:34 Termana: sorry, please explain context for your "Plus that just sounds like bad design." --not sure what part of the conversation that's from. Sep 23 15:33:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Comparison_of_touchscreen_technologies Sep 23 15:34:00 kwtm, your resistive screens going ape shit Sep 23 15:34:18 kfx: Excellent, so you seem to be saying that at least the quality is better nowadays with slower degradation? (I ask because it's actually NOT to the manufacturer's advantage to improve the durability of resistive) Sep 23 15:35:00 jacekowski: Yeah, but it was *known as* "the $100 laptop". Oh, well. Speaks of the wisdom of naming your product after a specific dollar amount in a specific currency. :) Sep 23 15:35:31 MNZ: Thanks for the link. Reading now. Sep 23 15:37:38 MNZ: It says there's 4-wire and 5-wire resistive touchscreen. Which is N900? Sep 23 15:37:48 beats me Sep 23 15:37:56 MNZ: 4wire Sep 23 15:38:15 err, kwtm ^^^ Sep 23 15:38:34 Got it, DocScrutinizer. Sep 23 15:39:46 with 5wire you can actually do multitouch on r-ts (well dualtouch) Sep 23 15:40:14 you *can* do with 4wire as well, but that's not commonly used Sep 23 15:41:12 SPeaking of which, I like that proposal someone put forth that "multi-touch equivalent" is that a tap-and-swipe denotes multitouch. Sep 23 15:42:47 lcuk implemented a fake mt like that Sep 23 15:43:20 no I didn't. it was actual multitouch as in >1 finger on screen at once :P Sep 23 15:43:41 *is Sep 23 15:43:54 it doesn't appear to be in extras Sep 23 15:43:58 yesyes. I referred to this looking to the ts like a touch and rapid swipe Sep 23 15:45:02 if you don't accidentally manage to put your both fingers on the screen same microsecond :-P Sep 23 15:45:54 in which case your fake mt would look like somebody leaning on the screen with his elbow Sep 23 15:54:47 it s funny to see that nokia didn't use dbus-default-callback hint but set in hard there call depending on category ! Sep 23 15:54:50 mouarf ! Sep 23 15:55:41 you can set it on your own notifications Sep 23 16:01:07 my n900 usb connector move more and more Sep 23 16:01:27 if he breaks i think i ll try to made a no connection connector : Sep 23 16:01:29 :) Sep 23 16:04:39 is HS-44 and WH-205 same (except HS-44 got control buttons) or not? Sep 23 16:25:34 Congratulations to the new council! andy80, jaffa, timsamoff, revdkathy, achipa Sep 23 16:26:29 May they rule for a thousand years. Sep 23 16:28:01 congrats new council members Sep 23 16:34:46 Indeed, well done chaps and chapess Sep 23 16:36:09 hey lardman Sep 23 16:36:22 hi lcuk Sep 23 16:40:23 am doing the fun and exciting process of consolidating and cleaning up code Sep 23 16:41:34 hy, is it normal that executing pcsuite-enable.sh gives a "sh: 0: unknown operand"??? Sep 23 16:43:07 no idea, where's the code? Sep 23 16:44:08 of pcsuite-enable.sh? Sep 23 16:44:13 yep Sep 23 16:44:45 its in /usr/sbin/ I can post on astebin (its gpl) if you want Sep 23 16:44:57 that's ok, I'll look on my device Sep 23 16:45:45 I was just rying MohammadAG usb host thing Sep 23 16:45:58 *trying Sep 23 16:46:42 hmm, I can't see why it would be failing off-hand Sep 23 16:46:53 so no idea I'm afraid Sep 23 16:47:14 what happens if you execute it? Sep 23 16:47:23 heya lardman Sep 23 16:47:44 hey RST38h Sep 23 16:47:54 Hi Sep 23 16:48:06 flexxxv: I get G_FILE_STORAGE_REMOVE and on the next line G_NOKIA_READY Sep 23 16:48:16 hello johnsq Sep 23 16:48:38 and not that "sh: 0: unknown operand" ? Sep 23 16:48:42 nope Sep 23 16:48:48 did you modify the script? Sep 23 16:49:05 or copy and paste it from a web browser or somesuch? Sep 23 16:49:07 no :-O could you pastebin yours? so that i can do a diff Sep 23 16:49:22 yeah, hang on a tick Sep 23 16:51:17 http://maemo.pastebin.com/epp2kdfL Sep 23 16:51:40 thx btw I dont get the G_FILE_STORAGE_REMOVE Sep 23 16:51:56 it might not be insmodded of course Sep 23 16:53:03 I need to find a >2Gb SD card to try installing Meego Sep 23 16:53:08 shopping trip I think Sep 23 16:53:23 * lardman talks to himself randomly, just ignore me Sep 23 16:53:34 have fun ;) Sep 23 16:54:05 what shopping!? ;) Sep 23 16:54:19 lardman: you want to see an os without apps :> Sep 23 16:54:36 johnsq: yeah that's a minor issue of course Sep 23 16:54:56 johnsq: as long as the phone works and a calendar (not sure about that one mind you) Sep 23 16:55:54 and without ability to charge your battery Sep 23 16:56:07 and no, phone does not work yet Sep 23 16:56:14 yeah that's not ideal Sep 23 16:56:26 Stskeeps: mentioned somewhere that the phone stuff would be working soon Sep 23 16:56:45 needed to be accepted into trunk or somesuch Sep 23 16:56:55 90% is accepted, ofono's working Sep 23 16:58:14 Stskeeps: is there a calendar app? and contacts? Sep 23 16:58:24 (just thinking about trying to use the phone inbetween hacking) Sep 23 16:58:25 there's an calendar but i haven't tried it Sep 23 16:58:37 can't be any worse than what we already have ;) Sep 23 16:58:43 it's not completely at a level where i'd eat my own dogfood Sep 23 16:58:47 1.2 should approach that rapidly Sep 23 16:58:48 except the 10s+ loading time perhaps Sep 23 17:02:01 Stskeeps: When is 1.2 supposed to show up? =) Sep 23 17:02:51 RST38h: 6 months from 1.1 Sep 23 17:03:12 and 1.1? :) Sep 23 17:03:45 hy, is it normal that executing pcsuite-enable.sh gives a "sh: 0: unknown operand"??? Sep 23 17:03:46 yes Sep 23 17:03:53 bad Nokia scripting Sep 23 17:04:05 Stskeeps:Next year then? Sep 23 17:04:07 lardman: first release candidate next week so you can imagine the panic Sep 23 17:04:22 and it' Sep 23 17:04:22 indeed, so I'll stop asking silly questions Sep 23 17:04:25 s not mine :) Sep 23 17:04:30 @MohammedAG thx for info Sep 23 17:04:49 MohammedAG: cant get the host mode stuff to work Sep 23 17:05:18 tried 2 flash drives and one external powerd HD Sep 23 17:05:26 RST38h: development model of 1.2's supposed to be different, i think Sep 23 17:05:31 so earlier stable results Sep 23 17:05:41 (don't hold me up on that) Sep 23 17:05:55 The flash drive gets the power but its not recognized :( Sep 23 17:06:28 flexxxv, check PM Sep 23 17:06:47 MohammedAG: MohammedAG Sep 23 17:06:51 MohammedAG: thx Sep 23 17:08:12 MohammedAG: Inbox contains 0 messages. You have 0 messages stored, of a total 300 allowed. :P Htink I'll just wait a few minutes... Sep 23 17:08:45 :/ Sep 23 17:08:48 type /query MohammadAG Sep 23 17:15:07 hi guys... we had this conversation yesterday about dd zeroing the whole flash in order to block up badblocks from the flash... I tried it today but it wasn't successfull :( Sep 23 17:19:34 Otto_: didn't you say you work for nokia? get it fixed Sep 23 17:20:06 Otto_: if it's emmc, it sounds dead Sep 23 17:21:40 yes its emmc and it can't be fixed. only solution is to get a new phone Sep 23 17:21:59 or, you know, fix it Sep 23 17:22:03 send it to nokia Sep 23 17:22:13 it should be quite the short roundtrip in your case Sep 23 17:22:15 :) Sep 23 17:22:20 can't you read, it can't be dixed :) Sep 23 17:22:25 fixed Sep 23 17:22:29 nokia can fix it Sep 23 17:22:40 and by "it" i mean the phone Sep 23 17:22:46 "block up"? Sep 23 17:22:57 replace the emmc Sep 23 17:22:57 Otto_: i would get a new phone through RMA, obviously dead chip Sep 23 17:23:04 very difficult to replace Sep 23 17:23:07 yup Sep 23 17:23:18 In my experience, once you get bad blocks on flash media, it never goes away Sep 23 17:23:32 Some chips stop responding alltogether the first time you touch a bad block :( Sep 23 17:23:44 maybe that's the case Sep 23 17:24:11 we were brainstorimg that rewriting the whole flash the flash controller would "block up" the bad blocks Sep 23 17:24:17 hey! guys its great to find this channel. Sep 23 17:24:32 Otto_, well this could be the case if the controller was actually smart Sep 23 17:24:36 but it's incredibly dumb ;p Sep 23 17:24:40 :) Sep 23 17:24:49 it seems so Sep 23 17:25:23 With engineering level access to the chip, with proprietary software, you might be able to shrink the size of it to not include the most dead area Sep 23 17:25:27 if it would as smart as we expected there would be a LOT less fighting with the flash Sep 23 17:25:53 but the only manufacturer I know of that publish such tools is OCZ, and that only works for a handful of devices :) Sep 23 17:26:01 ye, but it's usually easier to replace the whole phone Sep 23 17:26:27 There's a Omap3 CPU, it has to be smart instead of the flash Sep 23 17:26:28 i have written a small game four digits in python on n900 Sep 23 17:27:04 eMMC? CLEAN CUP! Clean cup! move down move DOWN! Sep 23 17:27:05 Otto_, "fighting with the flash"? :-) Sep 23 17:27:24 all the trouble it's causing to people who has bought a n900 Sep 23 17:27:43 i want to make it available on app manager Sep 23 17:27:55 how do you do it? Sep 23 17:27:57 Well.. I think it's pretty rare that it actually dies Sep 23 17:28:33 And then running filesystems on top of it that aren't aware of flash properties can result in spectacular filesystem corruption on unclean shutdown :D Sep 23 17:28:37 njain, pypackager is a good start. Or did you package it already? Sep 23 17:28:50 true that :) Sep 23 17:30:31 njain, here are instructions for uploading and so on: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras Sep 23 17:42:52 libwnck is not there on maemo is it ? Sep 23 18:09:44 heya wazd Sep 23 18:10:15 RST38h: o/ Sep 23 18:11:55 wazd: how is suffering? Sep 23 18:12:34 RST38h: trying to get bloody irish visa :D Sep 23 18:14:02 wazd: tell them you are a persecuted leprechaun, then ask for asylum Sep 23 18:14:33 RST38h: yeah, I guess that will help :D Sep 23 18:19:36 It's 2010. The world shouldn't be so backwards. Sep 23 18:20:26 You must live in a different world than I do. Sep 23 18:20:31 the world goes in circles anyway Sep 23 18:21:22 derf, optimism of youth? *g* Sep 23 18:22:18 to go or not to go ... Sep 23 18:22:31 mgedmin, to Dublin? Sep 23 18:22:32 Go. Sep 23 18:22:34 yes Sep 23 18:22:38 by all means, go and flush after yourself! Sep 23 18:22:44 nokia's probably not going to distribute development devices this year ... Sep 23 18:22:47 At worst you get to drink with some Maemo people. Sep 23 18:23:15 GAN900, you're surprisingly convincing -- and I don't even drink ;) Sep 23 18:23:19 well, I don't drink beer Sep 23 18:23:31 mgdemin: then you will drink tea or something Sep 23 18:23:37 Nor I, usually. Sep 23 18:23:49 are you guys tring to get submitted to bash.org er sumn? Sep 23 18:24:06 cuz its not working Sep 23 18:24:18 Er, no? Sep 23 18:24:30 That is ok, Mr Nixon, you can switch off your listening equipment now. Sep 23 18:24:53 thats RobotNixon to you Sep 23 18:26:11 To me, it is 41.130.59.206 Sep 23 18:28:31 41 = Egypt Sep 23 18:28:54 or webchat.freenode Sep 23 18:31:38 hold on... so webchat.freenode.net sets your name to your ip? Sep 23 18:32:01 yea...do they eve have computers in egypt? Sep 23 18:34:14 RobotNixon, yes, we do. Friggin camel keeps pissing on the PC though Sep 23 18:35:49 cooling must be a pain Sep 23 18:36:05 RobotNixon, no you shouldn't Sep 23 18:36:18 I KNEW it was you haha Sep 23 18:36:22 lol Sep 23 18:37:14 hmm, Dublin, difficult one that Sep 23 18:44:09 :P Sep 23 18:45:45 lardman, you're not going? Sep 23 18:45:53 not decided yet Sep 23 18:46:06 I have a meeting that week and am off to India the next week Sep 23 18:46:10 so will be rather busy Sep 23 18:46:48 I might try popping over for the sat/sun Maemo get-together (assuming that happens) and then just come to Monday so I can get back for my Wed meeting (and prepare on Tue afternoon) Sep 23 18:47:00 Well, I'm going. Sep 23 18:47:10 ah good stuff, I will make an effort then Sep 23 18:47:11 :) Sep 23 18:47:11 So you damn well better be there. Sep 23 18:47:14 lol Sep 23 18:47:21 I could appear over a video link ;) Sep 23 18:47:27 (hinging on sponsorship, though) Sep 23 18:47:49 Ha Sep 23 18:47:53 does anyone know what the plan is for the sat/sun? Sep 23 18:47:57 That was my plan for 2008. Sep 23 18:48:12 real pita that I've had something rescheduled for wed of that week Sep 23 18:48:25 Tell them to go to hell. Sep 23 18:49:12 well, it's a meeting that we're laying on, so probably not such a good idea Sep 23 18:49:52 I wonder when the conf timetable will be finalised, then I can see what's on on the Tuesday and decide whether to get a late or early flight back Sep 23 18:50:38 within a week, hopefully Sep 23 18:50:48 cool Sep 23 18:51:52 has anyone booked yet for the D4 hotels? What the per-night cost? Sep 23 18:53:47 you'd think they were scots Sep 23 18:53:47 :P Sep 23 18:54:01 I just found that libwnck-2.26.2 compiles on scratchbox and it doesn't exist in the maemo.org repos. Can I post it or something ? Sep 23 18:54:38 jacktheripper: submit it to extras-devel Sep 23 18:54:46 Stskeeps: what do you mean? Sep 23 18:54:51 ok Sep 23 18:57:11 lardman: do I upload it using a prog, or it's done through the site ? sorry, first time here :D Sep 23 18:58:11 http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel Sep 23 18:58:38 basically you need a login then upload a source package via a web interface Sep 23 18:58:53 assuming it builds correctly (deps) then you're fine Sep 23 19:00:37 well, it builds correctly on scratchbox. Sep 23 19:00:58 ARMEL target Sep 23 19:01:34 well upload it and check you've got all the deps in there, it's easy to miss them! :) Sep 23 19:01:59 bbiab Sep 23 19:02:30 lardman|afk: think i paid like 105 eur or something Sep 23 19:02:40 per night Sep 23 19:04:16 DocScrutinizer, hostmode worked for WhiteWolf Sep 23 19:04:21 whoever he is Sep 23 19:04:25 * MohammadAG PMs for syslog Sep 23 19:04:48 http://paste.debian.net/91307/ Sep 23 19:05:31 that's your device? Sep 23 19:17:35 any WH-701 in-ear owner here? Sep 23 19:17:45 interesting Sep 23 19:18:13 is it -devel fail or a bug that results in the toolbar disappearing if you lock and lockup your standby screen? :P Sep 23 19:19:32 http://paste.debian.net/91309/ Sep 23 19:23:46 ah, nvm, a -devel fault. :) Sep 23 19:24:36 the iphone ruined my life thank god for open sorce **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 23 20:48:15 2010 Sep 23 21:09:54 moin Sep 23 21:24:02 Did we ever get an answer about where the Maemo awards money went for Calling All Innovators? Sep 23 21:24:25 yes Sep 23 21:24:29 I forgot it thogh Sep 23 21:24:39 Someone mentioned it last night I think Sep 23 21:56:15 I have nokia n810, Diablo system. I would like to try to programming a bit. What should I download? Probably some SDK. this one? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation Sep 23 21:56:35 on my Linux desktop. Sep 23 21:56:36 maemo 5 is n900 only Sep 23 21:56:39 so no Sep 23 21:56:47 I don't know about the 810 Sep 23 21:57:07 but there is no: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_4_Final_SDK_Installation Sep 23 21:57:48 I don't know where it mght be, I do know that maemo 5 does not run on the n900, so that's unlikely to be helpful Sep 23 21:58:14 It's unusually quiet tonight. Sep 23 21:58:25 *does not run on the N810 Sep 23 21:58:37 err Sep 23 21:58:38 yes Sep 23 21:58:40 that Sep 23 21:58:40 Maemo 5 runs extremely well on the N900 :D Sep 23 21:59:06 maybe hier? http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ Sep 23 21:59:18 markinfo, that sounds about right Sep 23 22:55:34 is it normal that xorg constantly uses average 6% cpu? Sep 23 22:55:36 This is to inform you that you have won £500,000.00 GBP in Nokia Online Lottery. Kindly contact us at office001@computermail.net for claims with the following information below; Full names, Address, Phone number, Age, Sex, Marital status, Occupation. Sep 23 22:56:16 Half a million? You should probably adjust your ammounts for real currencies. Sep 23 22:56:55 and also gbps what a prize Sep 23 22:57:16 crap I only have one full name I'm not qualified Sep 23 22:57:26 Haha. Sep 23 22:57:44 Also, my marital status would probably get me arrested. Sep 23 22:58:26 does xorg use 6 ,ercent of cpu in average? Sep 23 23:02:42 sandstorm|mobile: when active - it's not unexpected. Sep 23 23:02:58 Some large portion of an apps drawing on screen is really done by X Sep 23 23:03:07 If it's using thatr wehn blanked, ten it's a bug Sep 23 23:04:03 only way I can understand that is to ssh while blanked right? Sep 23 23:06:31 yes Sep 23 23:06:49 Generally doing anything on the device while trying to work out performance is fail. Sep 23 23:07:03 htop is also probably more useful than the crippled top Sep 23 23:08:22 ah I was using conky but I got htop as well thanks for the advice Sep 23 23:11:22 btw catorize removal made a huge difference on battery life Sep 23 23:13:51 sandstorm|mobile: Wait, what? Catorize uses batteries? (or catorize saves batteries?) How? It's just software that runs when you try to use the launcher, no? Sep 24 00:01:48 hi all Sep 24 00:02:05 has the sms blocking option been added to pycallblocker or added somewhere? Sep 24 00:02:10 else Sep 24 00:02:25 * sivang asks before trying to implement this himself. Sep 24 01:27:24 the notorious HDM scrolling/bouncing bug **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 24 02:05:42 2010