**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 25 02:59:57 2010 Sep 25 05:00:30 yello Sep 25 06:28:21 Khertan_Home, didn't know you are french =) Sep 25 06:32:21 Windows Live - gone Sep 25 06:32:28 WinAmp Detector - gone Sep 25 06:32:34 "Free" Quickbooks - gone Sep 25 06:32:50 RST38h, we don't talk russian man Sep 25 06:33:13 * RST38h wonders if he should get rid of the MS Office Sep 25 06:33:29 ZogG, do you talk russian woman then? Sep 25 06:34:10 new notebook? Sep 25 06:34:22 yea Sep 25 06:34:39 RST38h install haiku on it Sep 25 06:34:41 or plan9 Sep 25 06:35:12 * RST38h has got an extra "drive" labelled "Drive Q: Microsoft Office Click-to-Run 2010" Sep 25 06:35:24 yea Microsoft things Sep 25 06:35:29 As fully expected, clicking it returns "Access denied" Sep 25 06:36:12 never understood what's that for Sep 25 06:36:33 Doesn't matter, it will be gone in a moment... Sep 25 06:38:25 RST38h, btw, specs? :P Sep 25 06:42:54 bef0rd: Toshiba R700 S1331 Sep 25 06:47:33 great battery life, and seems to be pretty light Sep 25 06:53:41 hey Sep 25 06:54:26 is there a way to dualboot stock kernel and power? Sep 25 06:55:00 nope Sep 25 06:55:09 why would you do such thing anyways Sep 25 06:56:03 psjailbreak ;) Sep 25 06:56:44 you can do that on power kernel Sep 25 06:56:53 I think there are compiled .ko's for stock and power Sep 25 06:56:57 or you can kexec Sep 25 06:57:07 well, you can build your own modules Sep 25 06:57:09 yeah, but the newest psfreedom is stock kernel only Sep 25 06:57:14 or try to forceload them Sep 25 06:57:23 try insmod module.ko -f Sep 25 06:57:34 it may load Sep 25 06:57:41 or panic Sep 25 06:57:45 one of two Sep 25 06:57:52 hehe Sep 25 06:57:54 wel, it may not load at all Sep 25 06:57:57 so one of 3 Sep 25 08:25:55 ~deadbattery Sep 25 08:58:20 what do you do when even shazam doesn't recognise a song? Sep 25 09:00:39 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0_uEQp2Vg8 Sep 25 09:05:36 crashanddie, so vinyl has come full circle it seems Sep 25 09:05:49 did you see the slashdot thing last night Sep 25 09:05:56 saw it this morning Sep 25 09:06:21 so... now you can get the poor quality of the vinyl *and* the poor quality of digital audio? Sep 25 09:06:23 nice Sep 25 09:07:16 heh kerio Sep 25 09:07:20 http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/09/24/2322232/CD-Sales-Continue-To-Plummet-Vinyl-Records-Soar Sep 25 09:07:23 kerio: nope, it's analog Sep 25 09:07:23 for those that didnt Sep 25 09:07:31 crashanddie: neat Sep 25 09:07:41 how are they going to stop the deterioration of the vinyl though? Sep 25 09:07:43 and kerio, turn the laser power up and you get to play the record only once Sep 25 09:08:01 kerio, laser tracking instead of physical pulling Sep 25 09:08:11 lcuk: how's that not affecting the vinyl Sep 25 09:08:12 errr dragging a needle Sep 25 09:08:32 kerio: light produces a lot less friction than? Sep 25 09:08:37 a lot less Sep 25 09:08:52 I never thought "damn, light is damned heavy today" Sep 25 09:09:07 ask me how many times i can play PCM audio without changing it Sep 25 09:09:26 how many times can you play PCM audio without changing it? Sep 25 09:09:31 infinite Sep 25 09:09:38 and? Sep 25 09:09:47 and that's impossible with vinyl Sep 25 09:09:48 : Sep 25 09:09:50 *:) Sep 25 09:10:00 you do realise that there are still plenty of people who already have a massive vinyl collection? Sep 25 09:10:09 take a photo of the record Sep 25 09:10:10 do they *listen* to it? Sep 25 09:10:16 put it back in its sleeve Sep 25 09:10:25 lcuk: photons hit the surface Sep 25 09:10:29 it's not the same anymore Sep 25 09:10:52 meh Sep 25 09:11:01 I don't give a shit about the supposed "warmth" that vinyls have Sep 25 09:11:12 I do care about compression Sep 25 09:11:16 the warmth they have is a distortion of the low frequencies Sep 25 09:11:24 :) Sep 25 09:11:35 so don't buy crappy cds Sep 25 09:11:44 http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1798856&cid=33693998 <- lol Sep 25 09:11:45 And even though some vinyls have a bit of compression, it's usually less than what you get on all CDs produced today Sep 25 09:12:02 yeah :( Sep 25 09:12:06 kerio: find the metallica guitar hero comment in there Sep 25 09:12:16 i know about that Sep 25 09:12:22 the guitar hero version of a song is of better quality than the CD version :( Sep 25 09:12:38 (well, you *can't* compress the sound so much on a vinyl - that's why it's not done) Sep 25 09:12:46 sure you can Sep 25 09:13:06 nah, you'll get pops Sep 25 09:13:12 the needle will do tiny jumps Sep 25 09:13:24 well, that's just poor compression :P Sep 25 09:13:30 and depends of the needle, too Sep 25 09:14:02 if I understand it correctly, loudness sounds better on crappy soundsystems Sep 25 09:14:23 crashanddie: s/better/less crappy/ Sep 25 09:14:30 so that billy bob and co can listen to a CD of justin bieber and think "Woah, this sounds really good" Sep 25 09:14:59 well, i'd say the problem is in billy bob's head, not in the cd Sep 25 09:15:18 replaygain would fix that, but meh Sep 25 09:15:34 no, the problem is that one-size-fits-all is what the majors think is best for us Sep 25 09:15:49 the majors can suck it Sep 25 09:16:00 and vinyl is not best for anyone Sep 25 09:16:07 except old people who have nostalgia of the plastic disc Sep 25 09:16:19 true audiophiles buy SACD Sep 25 09:16:32 audiophiles are ignorant twats Sep 25 09:16:49 not much better than linux wankers who get a tiny hardon when they thing their system is 1% better Sep 25 09:16:59 "OMFG, GOLDEN CABLES, weeeeeeeeee" Sep 25 09:17:02 lol Sep 25 09:17:47 for the same reason that you can buy dvd, bluray, and even still vhs a few years ago, because different people had different demands, why is it not possible to get a normally engineered soundtrack, and then the loudness wars casualty one on sale everywhere Sep 25 09:18:05 the people who give a fuck will give a fuck, and go the extra length to buy the not crappy one Sep 25 09:18:34 the same reason I hate the fact that I can't buy a DVD in France and watch it in English without having french subtitles distracting me Sep 25 09:18:51 huh? you surely can? Sep 25 09:19:06 depends, it's getting better these days, and haven't seen it on bluray yet Sep 25 09:19:15 disable subtitles, from the Video menu Sep 25 09:19:26 but most movies are hard-coded to only support english channel with the french subtitles Sep 25 09:19:50 on the other hand, vlc is hard-coded to do what i tell him to do Sep 25 09:19:50 (I'm talking about playback on PS3 or standalone DVD player) Sep 25 09:20:36 Yes, sure, I could slam it in the macbookpro, hook it up to the telly, and play it from there Sep 25 09:20:47 but after a week of work? I can't be bothered, really Sep 25 09:20:49 make a HTPC Sep 25 09:20:54 no Sep 25 09:21:10 why would I have to invest more instead of the companies getting it right? Sep 25 09:21:18 because the companies don't get it right? Sep 25 09:21:21 And they've listened -- bluray doesn't do that anymore. Sep 25 09:21:22 duh Sep 25 09:21:47 also i think pretty much every dvd player has a "subtitles" button that lets you choose Sep 25 09:22:04 yes, and when you hit it, it says "Operation unavailable" Sep 25 09:22:13 then you have the wrong dvd player Sep 25 09:22:30 no, this is France Sep 25 09:22:48 kerio: ever had the Disney adverts that take up 20 minutes before the movie begins? Sep 25 09:22:56 And how they sometime don't allow you to fast forward? Sep 25 09:22:57 crashanddie: i don't buy dvds Sep 25 09:23:02 for precisely that reason Sep 25 09:23:02 well then fuck off Sep 25 09:23:13 don't argue in a discussion you know nothing about, ffs. Sep 25 09:23:27 if i borrow one from a friend, i just watch it on my computer Sep 25 09:23:53 crashanddie, you have seen Taxi 1,2,3,4 i gather? Sep 25 09:23:59 nope Sep 25 09:24:02 Just 1, maybe 2 Sep 25 09:24:04 not the rest Sep 25 09:24:19 I'm not big on french movies Sep 25 09:24:20 first French movies I had tried and liked Sep 25 09:24:42 any others in similar genre - amusing and fast Sep 25 09:25:16 Dunno if they're translated in English, but there's one seriously stupid and very funny: Asterix and Obelix: Mission Cleopatra Sep 25 09:25:32 well taxi was subtitled only Sep 25 09:25:58 * lcuk will watch out for asterix Sep 25 09:27:19 lcuk: Dobermann, The Nest, District 13, and the sequel apparently is good (never seen it): District 13 Ultimatum Sep 25 09:30:44 cool, think I have seen District 13 Sep 25 09:31:01 or at least some parts of it - its got a heavy freerunning section afaik Sep 25 09:31:07 also 36 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8HSXswW5MA ) and slightly darker: A Prophet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiZSIQwNk3k) Sep 25 09:31:19 it's only about freerunning, lol Sep 25 09:31:45 heh Sep 25 09:44:45 crashanddie, i just watched asterix trailer Sep 25 09:44:51 i was half expecting animated version Sep 25 09:45:01 so pleasantly surprised to see its a real movie :D Sep 25 09:46:33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kfkBaMg4h8 Sep 25 10:32:14 hy, what is the easiest way to get the source code of the modules I need for cd drive support in maemo? Sep 25 10:33:09 huh... kernel.org? Sep 25 10:33:14 also, why Sep 25 10:33:22 the n900 has no cd drive Sep 25 10:33:40 pics if u have modded! Sep 25 10:34:32 usb host and usb cd drive?:) Sep 25 10:34:47 I thought n900 did not have host mode Sep 25 10:34:52 imagine amiga cd32 emulator and pad with n900 Sep 25 10:38:38 morning all Sep 25 10:39:54 * sivang continues with the backup/ reflash saga Sep 25 10:40:01 any good tips and warnings before? Sep 25 10:40:07 I already connected a cd drive successfully :D Sep 25 10:40:21 just cant use it because of the missing modules Sep 25 10:41:43 so am I right that if I would compile the modles I could use it right? no need to recompile the patched kernel? Sep 25 10:42:35 I never compiled modules taht are normally included in the vanilla kernel Sep 25 10:42:48 MohammadAG51: ping Sep 25 10:42:50 flexxxv: if you can use an inserted module, then just build it with your kernel headers and try and insmod or modprobe it and it should work, yes Sep 25 10:43:08 flexxxv: yeah, but in most of the times, this will just create the device node- you will still have to mount it manually Sep 25 10:43:20 that would be no problem :D Sep 25 10:43:23 flexxxv: so mount /dev/cdXX /media/cdrom or somesuch Sep 25 10:43:32 satmd: host mode is coming along just fine Sep 25 10:43:53 satmd: I'd say another couple weeks and we'll be able to hook up an external hard drive no problem Sep 25 10:43:55 i know; but how can I can I only build the cd modules? Sep 25 10:44:12 Think you can already use an ext HD :D Sep 25 10:44:31 well, there are bugs that will appear pretty soon Sep 25 10:44:45 yay :D Sep 25 10:44:48 which is why I'd say another 2 weeks will be necessary to have something working reliably Sep 25 10:44:57 * sivang wonders if the work being done through mameo-devel will be reused in MeeGO. Sep 25 10:45:11 what work? Sep 25 10:45:23 the ext HD Sep 25 10:45:29 (think so) Sep 25 10:45:42 I mean the modules I need are included in the vanilla kernel. but i dont need the hole vanilla kernel just the modules so how to do this? Sep 25 10:45:57 did not compute. Sep 25 10:47:37 sry, HD isn't working for me :( Sep 25 10:47:40 MohammadAG51: I'll be studying for the theoretical exam too in the next few days Sep 25 10:50:03 crashanddie, lost your license? Sep 25 10:50:16 Ok hd is working just was using wrong cable :-O Sep 25 10:50:27 but no no ntfs modules :( Sep 25 10:50:37 i'm not sure someone ported fuse Sep 25 10:50:49 MohammadAG51: nope, full motorcycle licence Sep 25 10:50:56 SpeedEvil: moinmoin. Factoid: write speed of MyDocs over ass rage: 11MB/s (average for 13.2GB of data written) Sep 25 10:51:01 :D Sep 25 10:51:01 logs, NAO Sep 25 10:51:01 :P Sep 25 10:51:30 flexxxv, download them, the stock kernels should load fine, if not ping me in 10-20 mins Sep 25 10:52:11 MohammedAG51: need to leave now, will be back in 30 min Sep 25 10:52:28 hmm, k Sep 25 10:52:32 * MohammadAG51 adds a note Sep 25 10:52:49 DocScrutinizer: write speed of mydocs with rsync? :) Sep 25 10:53:35 kerio: which part of "MyDocs over ass rage" was unclear? Sep 25 10:53:55 no, i mean, from the n900 itself Sep 25 10:54:18 * DocScrutinizer throws a M* and STO* in kerio's general direction Sep 25 10:54:26 i keep not getting it Sep 25 10:54:45 mass storage Sep 25 10:54:50 yeah Sep 25 10:54:53 i got that much Sep 25 10:56:17 Hi, does someone know how ham accesses the nokia repositories https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ and https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 ? I'm looking for the correct adress to Contents-armel.gz. Sep 25 10:56:36 * MohammadAG51 hints at /etc/apt/ Sep 25 10:59:23 A change in Symbian's naming scheme was proposed. This would see a move to major and minor release numbers; this would mean Symbian^4.0, Symbian^4.2, Symbian^4.3, Symbian^5.0 (and so on), rather than Symbian^4, Symbian^5, Symbian^6 (and so on). Sep 25 10:59:46 * RST38h can't quite restrain himself from laughing satanically Sep 25 10:59:57 * DocScrutinizer thinks there's some authentication involved, as for instance the cherry dissect says "download via wget to your N900, it doesn't work to directly dl to desktop PC" (OWTTE) Sep 25 11:02:01 yes, but this is strange: dists is ./ and there is no section in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list, https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/dists/./Contents-armel.gz does not work. Sep 25 11:02:34 The council discussed the deprecation of AVKON (in Symbian^4) onwards. It will become a platform API from Symbian^4 onwards. CONE and UIKON will remain because of dependencies. Sep 25 11:02:56 CONE and UIKON will remain, hehe Sep 25 11:04:55 after learning about sybian, I'm not quite sure if I want to know what's a CONE or a UIKON :-P Sep 25 11:05:09 right. Sep 25 11:10:21 DocScrutinizer: sybian != symbian ;) btw... Sep 25 11:11:17 :D Sep 25 11:11:19 DocScrutinizer: hehe, you would be amazed what video's wikipedia has in store for this definition Sep 25 11:11:27 * sivang thought wikipedia was PG13 Sep 25 11:12:05 you'd be surprised Sep 25 11:14:03 what are those CONE and UIKON? Sep 25 11:14:27 I'm more people find a sybian more enjoyable than ever thought symbian was enjoyable...and symbian has I'm sure sold 1x10^6 more devices Sep 25 11:14:53 :) Sep 25 11:15:43 hehe Sep 25 11:15:57 sivang: google says UIKON is some of the graphics foundation, and I hope to neve rlearn about CONE Sep 25 11:18:33 RST38h: that's lame, they should change the naming to something more like Symbian^(4/1), Symbian^(4/2), etc ;) Sep 25 11:20:20 asj_: hehe Sep 25 11:31:46 hmm Sep 25 11:32:03 plugging my N900 to Ubuntu does not make the automounting go poof like before Sep 25 11:33:16 still the fs's seem to have been properly unmounted from the device itself Sep 25 11:33:18 what gives? Sep 25 11:33:27 * sivang beats his ubuntu laptop Sep 25 11:37:09 hmm, so I managed to mount something of size 29G which is a vfat, Sep 25 11:37:19 where is MyDocs and everything else? Sep 25 11:37:53 * sivang guesses there no way but to rsycn stuff to the mSD and copy it from there to external device Sep 25 11:38:34 I noticed that data+web isn't in the MeeGo 1.1 released .. Sep 25 11:38:35 Stskeeps: ^ (trying to follow your rsync advice for /, /home, /home/user/MyDocs ) Sep 25 11:38:43 So much for people thinking that will save the N900 .. Sep 25 11:39:09 alterego: data+web ? Sep 25 11:39:49 wrt is in 1.2 if u mean that Sep 25 11:39:56 cellmo data + network connectivity Sep 25 11:49:19 alterego - are you sure? I'm pretty sure phone functionality got accepted yesterday Sep 25 11:50:21 cooooool Sep 25 11:50:31 now, BME, a few more touches, and... Sep 25 11:51:36 RST38h - bme is available in closed images already Sep 25 11:52:14 blaaaaaarrrghh Sep 25 11:53:41 you're aware bme even *blocks* implementation of proper open interfaces, like e.g. a bq24150 driver allowing to access the chip via sysfs nodes? Sep 25 11:54:44 RST38h: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=10187&postcount=183 Sep 25 11:55:29 and ShadowJK is using his N900 since 7 weeks now, without ever starting bme. He's using an augmented version of my charging script Sep 25 11:57:00 TermanaDesire: Phone functionality isn't network data connectivity though is it. Sep 25 11:57:07 You can make calls but not connect to hte internet. Sep 25 11:57:08 Stskeeps: coooooooooooooooool =) Sep 25 11:57:31 well I hope data connectivity will come too,in a while Sep 25 11:57:52 Whether this is a minor problem with there not being any MeeGo support for operators, so you have to configure ofono manually, or whether there's some underlying problem .. Sep 25 11:58:35 RST38h: it's there but just not in UI Sep 25 11:59:04 hey, can anyone recommend a ffmpeg audio and video codec and the mimetype to go with it for transcoding upnp to n900 in mediatomb? I have it working quite well with just mpeg2video, just wondering if there is anything better Sep 25 12:00:50 MohammadAG51: I downloaded the vanilla kernel linux-2.6.28 . what do I have to do to compile modules like: cdrom.ko isofs.ko etc ? Sep 25 12:02:00 Stskeeps: And I hope someone if writing a SIM PIN entry dialog? :) Sep 25 12:02:16 flexxxv: scratchbox Sep 25 12:02:18 RST38h: hopefully.. not sure if it makes it into 1.1 though Sep 25 12:02:40 alterego: Is installed :D Sep 25 12:02:57 flexxxv: well, you need to compile the kernel and modules you need. Sep 25 12:03:12 how to do this? :D Sep 25 12:03:13 Have you ever compiled a kernel before? :) Sep 25 12:03:23 no :D Sep 25 12:03:31 Oh, well, I'd suggest learning to do that then :P Sep 25 12:03:33 just some kernel modules.... Sep 25 12:03:58 flexxxv, funny, I'm compiling them atm Sep 25 12:04:34 :) Sep 25 12:04:42 MohammadAG_: I have no experience with that could you tell me what you did? Sep 25 12:04:45 MohammadAG_: had much success with testers then? Sep 25 12:04:51 I must be doing something wrong :/ Sep 25 12:05:05 I'll probably have a proper look tomorrow. Sep 25 12:05:06 flexxxv, I'll upload them when I'm done Sep 25 12:05:11 alterego, hmm? Sep 25 12:05:16 did it fail for you? Sep 25 12:05:38 Yeah, the other day. I've not tested it with my powered externel HDD yet Sep 25 12:05:41 And I got an infinite reboot. Sep 25 12:06:05 MohammadAG_: thx (but I need to figure it out in any way how to do such stuiff :D ) Sep 25 12:06:32 MohammadAG_: I'd appreciate dvb-t drivers ^.^ Sep 25 12:06:39 Butr I know I'll have to do that myself :D Sep 25 12:06:54 alterego: we had dvb-h for n8x0 Sep 25 12:07:05 dvb-t Sep 25 12:07:12 alterego: think dvb t will never wrk Sep 25 12:07:17 * RST38h wonders how alterego is going to receive dvb on his phone Sep 25 12:07:27 With my DVB-T usb dongle Sep 25 12:07:28 given the lack of harware Sep 25 12:07:29 dvb adapter? Sep 25 12:07:43 umgh, ugly Sep 25 12:07:52 So's your face :P Sep 25 12:08:03 alterego: don't think that the n900 can decode the data stream fast enough Sep 25 12:08:24 flexxxv: sure, maybe not, I just want a portable archiver Sep 25 12:08:35 OR a digital radio receiver .. Sep 25 12:08:37 alterego: hmm intresting :D Sep 25 12:08:59 Besides, I can record, then transcode Sep 25 12:09:04 Then watch :) Sep 25 12:09:10 very handy Sep 25 12:09:23 btw I have two dvb-t sticks laying around :D :D :D (and a big antenna) Sep 25 12:09:23 Would be in a car yes Sep 25 12:09:34 bbiab Sep 25 12:10:05 hey there Sep 25 12:10:08 http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-490 Sep 25 12:10:47 just wondering, how can i add my own pyqt script to the main, regular application menu Sep 25 12:10:53 are there general 'nice-to-have' application collection site for n900? like iboog g4 era there were some hacks and suggestions for touchpad and "spotlight" Sep 25 12:11:03 MohammadAG_: do you know a good page on internet to learn how to compile such modules? Sep 25 12:11:12 (I mean from the vanilla kernel) Sep 25 12:11:17 google? Sep 25 12:11:58 hmm yeah that was what I did. :D but cant find the right keyworks :( Sep 25 12:12:04 just a general notice on hostmode: the currently published "pre-alpha" is actually a special kernel version made for research purposes *only*. It's not supposed to be used for production, nor will it ever work correctly. It doesn't need some minor fixes to implement hostmode properly, but will get discarded completely and replaced by a entirely different concept Sep 25 12:12:13 hmmm H8H8O3 Sep 25 12:12:20 the point is to find consencus of good apps/hacks so that u don't have to try everything yourself and do some power consumption measurements and user experience evaluation :) Sep 25 12:12:33 rather, yum H8H8O3 Sep 25 12:12:39 indeed, it contains too many debugging crap Sep 25 12:12:47 which, if you have syslog installed, eats your rootfs Sep 25 12:13:04 MohammadAG_: basically it contains ONLY debugging crap Sep 25 12:13:08 echo "" > /var/log/syslog to clear Sep 25 12:13:27 I can only agree with you Sep 25 12:13:32 just wondering, how can i add my own pyqt script to the main, regular application menu Sep 25 12:13:46 DocScrutinizer: replaced completely? but we will alway need a patched kernel right? Sep 25 12:13:57 yes Sep 25 12:13:59 yes Sep 25 12:14:23 so new concept = new mode for te usb driver for host mode or what? Sep 25 12:14:33 proper patches Sep 25 12:14:34 just wondering, how can i add my own pyqt script to the main, regular application menu Sep 25 12:14:40 mc_teo, you already asked once Sep 25 12:14:56 twice Sep 25 12:15:21 mc_teo: http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format Sep 25 12:15:21 i was ignored in both instances, hence asking a third Sep 25 12:15:39 yes, i have made my own one of those Sep 25 12:15:49 and copied it to the correct di Sep 25 12:15:52 dir* Sep 25 12:15:58 oh, a shortcut Sep 25 12:16:07 and killed the desktop to restart it Sep 25 12:16:09 I thought you're working on something ala catorize Sep 25 12:16:19 it scans the dir, you don't need to kill it Sep 25 12:16:19 but it does not appear Sep 25 12:16:25 pastebin the file Sep 25 12:16:31 mc_teo which directory? Sep 25 12:16:46 /usr/share/applications/hildon Sep 25 12:16:50 pastebin the file Sep 25 12:18:24 flexxxv: new concept = throwing out all the handles in sysfs that are used now to *force* kernel manually thru a fixed sequence of USB OTG states, and replace that by a smarter properly implemented in-kernel mechanism that just does "The Right Thing", when doing a "echo host >./mode" Sep 25 12:18:32 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/267061 Sep 25 12:18:55 mostly based on nmaps and xterms Sep 25 12:19:19 DocScrutinizer: sounds good :D Sep 25 12:19:47 DocScrutinizer: what kind of logs are you intrested in most? Sep 25 12:19:50 btw, did no one get my joke about vanilla? Sep 25 12:19:59 its chemical formula is H8H8O3 Sep 25 12:20:46 take out the X- lines Sep 25 12:20:56 flexxxv, syslogs, and patches if you're a dev Sep 25 12:21:05 sorry Sep 25 12:21:09 take out the X- lines mc_teo Sep 25 12:21:19 and remove the " from Exec= Sep 25 12:21:28 im on the border of the ap, so i got disconnected Sep 25 12:22:10 flexxxv: we can use a single fully blown log of successful hostmode session, for every distinct class of usecase (like storage attached, hub attached, low-speed device attached [won't ever work now]) Sep 25 12:22:36 * MohammadAG found better success with a hub Sep 25 12:22:45 what didn't work before works now Sep 25 12:23:07 so I'm using a hub on my N900, connected to a flash, a mouse 2.4GHz receiver, and a keyboard Sep 25 12:23:10 kb maps are shit though Sep 25 12:23:22 flexxxv: alas fullsize log means we'd need more than just the syslog copy Sep 25 12:23:23 yeah thats right a hub makes live so much easier :D how did you change the keyboard mapping??? Sep 25 12:23:37 I didn't, they're the rx51 crap Sep 25 12:23:50 so not too usefull Sep 25 12:24:07 ...as in syslog not all interesting things show up. Due to the kernel not being optimized for logging either Sep 25 12:24:19 DocScrutinizer: tell me exactly what you want and i'll try to do Sep 25 12:24:27 argh need to leave again :( Sep 25 12:24:39 flexxxv: I had hoped MohammadAG would do this Sep 25 12:24:46 ok Sep 25 12:25:33 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/267068 Sep 25 12:25:39 still doesnt show Sep 25 12:25:48 just thought that there are different hardware revisions out and so you need some more logs Sep 25 12:26:24 flxfrom a devel POV this release wasn't intended to help in any way. MohammadAG did it "to attract developers" Sep 25 12:26:37 flexxxv|afk: ^^ Sep 25 12:27:45 flexxxv|afk: there's definitely very little use in "testers" for now, for hostmode development Sep 25 12:29:09 MohammadAG can provide us (the kernel devels) with all the logs we need. And there's nothing yet to actually 'test' on a larger user basis Sep 25 12:29:48 Umm, didn't I already? Sep 25 12:31:14 nevertheless it's nice to learn there's not just MohammadAG's N900 in this world than actually *can* do hostmode, so it's a general proof of concept, yielding evidence hostmode *can* be done without any hardware mods, without external power, without special adapters Sep 25 12:31:29 MohammadAG: sure, mostly Sep 25 12:31:49 of course further logs for e.g the hub case are welcome Sep 25 12:32:34 can the hardware give power through usb? Sep 25 12:32:47 also please refer to my suggestion I posted to you yesterday in #mhd, about augmenting the echo cals in hostmode.py Sep 25 12:32:57 yes yes, will do mate Sep 25 12:32:59 kerio: 200mA Sep 25 12:33:02 just having problems with some shit Sep 25 12:33:06 DocScrutinizer: that sucks... :( Sep 25 12:33:13 it's enough for a flash, a mouse and a kb Sep 25 12:33:13 kerio: you suck Sep 25 12:33:15 apparently Sep 25 12:33:24 * MohammadAG is tempted to plug a CD drive Sep 25 12:33:47 MohammadAG: won't work Sep 25 12:33:56 and a CD drive powered by another 5V plug (Y cable) Sep 25 12:34:17 drives quite regularly draw even more than the allowed 500mA max, for spinning up Sep 25 12:35:08 this *would* work, but will ruin hostmode setup, due to VBUS applied prematurely Sep 25 12:35:28 of *this debug botch kernel* Sep 25 12:35:44 on a decent kernel it of course would work flawlessly Sep 25 12:35:53 indeed Sep 25 12:36:04 I just don't get why I need to start bme, connect the plug then stop bme Sep 25 12:36:24 when starting bme, it pumps out some power out of the USB port Sep 25 12:36:29 enough to light up my flash drive Sep 25 12:36:38 then less than 1s later, it disables that Sep 25 12:37:52 still no look Sep 25 12:37:57 luck* Sep 25 12:38:02 MohammadAG: I bet that's related to 2 things: a) bme accessing charger detection, thus activating ULPI interface, and b) VBUS voltage is buffered in some capacitors, so killall vboost.sh makes VBUS decay at random rate, and eventually an IRQ for either VBUS_VALID or SESSION_VALID kicks in Sep 25 12:38:14 maybe i need more that just the .desktop file? Sep 25 12:38:28 both IRQ are generated by 1707 via ULPI, and happen at certain voltage levels of VBUS Sep 25 12:40:15 damn 3G base station has died, so I only have 2G :( Sep 25 12:40:27 the whole hostmode establishing in current debug version, as done by hostmode.py, is highly at random and depending on quite a number of physical and timing properties of the particular device Sep 25 12:41:17 Good innit Sep 25 12:42:05 i this i saw this phononomen in hp:mor Sep 25 12:42:24 its called the bystander phononomen Sep 25 12:42:59 where everyone passes on the responsibility of doing something to another of the people Sep 25 12:43:11 making it less of their responsibilty Sep 25 12:44:10 and there if you use direct names, or target a single person, they become aware of it being their responsibility Sep 25 12:44:26 so MohammadAG, i choose you! Sep 25 12:44:44