**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 27 02:59:57 2010 Sep 27 03:02:32 it is a moog synthesizer Sep 27 03:03:25 MooGo Sep 27 03:11:44 hm Sep 27 03:13:08 pupnik, why neptune? its hot as hell here *sweat* Sep 27 03:14:38 cause Uranus was full Sep 27 03:14:50 * pupnik ducks Sep 27 03:25:02 andax: I agree. Sep 27 03:25:10 johnx: not all characters are letters Sep 27 03:25:15 for example, >= Sep 27 03:25:19 could be ≥ Sep 27 03:25:30 and == could be ≡ Sep 27 03:25:37 serial > parallel Sep 27 03:25:50 I never said otherwise Sep 27 03:26:13 wait, I bet your an emacs guy :) Sep 27 03:26:20  Sep 27 03:26:21 s/your/you're/ Sep 27 03:26:21 johnx meant: wait, I bet you're an emacs guy :) Sep 27 03:27:01 hm. I don't appear to have a font installed that deals with that ... Sep 27 03:27:17 johnx: and there's only two places to get one :D Sep 27 03:27:26 one is me. the other is Armagetron Advanced. Sep 27 03:27:27 :p Sep 27 03:27:36 though the latter case requires trunk Sep 27 03:27:55 and the question is: do I care enough to ... sorry got distracted, going back to what I was doing Sep 27 03:30:15 thanks luke-jr (and whow, i can see them correctly) Sep 27 03:31:31 andax: you got Arma trunk? :p Sep 27 03:34:45 I guess no. Which ARMA? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARMA Sep 27 03:36:52 "Arma, an extinct Choco language" lol Sep 27 03:37:13 mmmm, chocolate flavored languages Sep 27 03:37:52 awesome :) Sep 27 03:56:41 andax: Armagetron Advanced Sep 27 03:57:02 andax: besides me, AA trunk is the only source for a font to display them correctly ;P Sep 27 03:58:00 aah! Sep 27 05:25:34 hello Sep 27 05:27:18 finally have the USB cable for my n810 .... plugging it to the PC has no effect without turning the n810 on? Sep 27 05:28:07 and when i do turn it on, it just keeps rebooting like it does not connected, except a blue "usb" logo is visible in the upper right for a second Sep 27 05:30:55 only way to get it to stop rebooting is to take out the battery Sep 27 05:31:02 wtf?? Sep 27 05:31:09 what happened to it? Sep 27 05:31:34 i moved stuff from /usr/share to the 2gb partition, and forgot it was a WINDOWZ PARTITION. Sep 27 05:32:20 so... no symlinks, no UID/GID on files, no rwx flags, ...... Sep 27 05:32:40 finally have the USB cable for my n810 .... plugging it to the PC has no effect without turning the n810 on? Sep 27 05:32:48 and when i do turn it on, it just keeps rebooting like it does not connected, except a blue "usb" logo is visible in the upper right for a second Sep 27 05:33:17 so you want to flash it or what? Sep 27 05:33:19 then it shows a white screen with black rectangles in upper right and lower left, then reboots Sep 27 05:33:30 no, i just want to mount the partitions from a PC and fix it Sep 27 05:34:19 if its off, nothing will show up on yoru pc Sep 27 05:34:24 move the stuff back, see if that helps, if not, see if i can put the uid/perms/etc. the way they were Sep 27 05:34:34 otherwise at least keep a backup of stuff thats on it now Sep 27 05:35:14 flash a rescue kernel to it and boot from micro sd Sep 27 05:35:25 dun have a SD card :( Sep 27 05:35:35 the linux kernel is what provides the logic to let a PC access the file system Sep 27 05:36:34 ok.... so what fucktard decided that a few things missing from /usr/share makes the device unusable? Sep 27 05:36:53 turn off watchdog, see if it boots then Sep 27 05:36:58 uh, how? Sep 27 05:37:38 tried holding down about every combination of buttons while turning it on Sep 27 05:37:42 delt, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=n900+disable+watchdog Sep 27 05:37:52 (it's an n810) Sep 27 05:38:00 n810 here, not n900 Sep 27 05:38:16 same still works? Sep 27 05:38:17 lol ... Sep 27 05:38:45 yes, googling still works if you have an N810 Sep 27 05:39:12 unbelievable! Sep 27 05:39:12 ok, found this http://andrew.daviel.org/N810-FAQ.html Sep 27 05:39:27 which i think i already read, and wasn't very useful. Sep 27 05:40:04 I found this http://carloseducesa.blogspot.com/2009/09/retu-watchdog-turning-off-n810.html Sep 27 05:40:08 oh, what is "r&d mode" Sep 27 05:40:29 http://carloseducesa.blogspot.com/2009/09/retu-watchdog-turning-off-n810.html Sep 27 05:41:05 ah, "flasher" ... source code available? Sep 27 05:41:11 nope Sep 27 05:42:22 so wtf would trigger the watchdog to reboot anyway... kernel panic? Sep 27 05:42:29 lots of things Sep 27 05:42:44 because of /usr/share/locale and /usr/share/(misc.game stuff) missing??? Sep 27 05:42:59 the gtk theme Sep 27 05:43:13 icons, that sort of thing Sep 27 05:43:35 so how do i see the standard kernel bootup? Sep 27 05:44:04 flash modified initrd or kernel Sep 27 05:44:42 how do i flash just the kernel onto it? Sep 27 05:44:52 or do you mean use a SD card? Sep 27 05:45:00 flasher -k kernel -f Sep 27 05:45:04 ~flasher Sep 27 05:45:05 i guess flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Sep 27 05:45:24 oh and most importantly, is there a cross-compiler to even compile a kernel for arm cortex from a pc? Sep 27 05:45:45 N810 has an ARM11, not a cortex A8 Sep 27 05:45:51 and yes, of course there is Sep 27 05:45:58 but not for windows I imagine Sep 27 05:46:04 linux here Sep 27 05:46:05 dunno what you mean by PC Sep 27 05:46:14 linux slackware running on standard pc Sep 27 05:46:46 you can get the maemo SDK from nokia, or just the cross compiler from probably code sourcery Sep 27 05:46:50 or bootstrap your own Sep 27 05:46:59 so i could also put the real binutils commands etc etc...instead of busybox? Sep 27 05:47:09 alongside, not instead of Sep 27 05:47:28 oh, that would be just as good Sep 27 05:47:40 they're already packaged I think Sep 27 05:47:55 so, flasher..... available from nokia's website i would guess? Sep 27 05:48:04 yup Sep 27 05:48:05 ~flasher Sep 27 05:48:06 it has been said that flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Sep 27 05:48:37 thanks Sep 27 05:48:47 kind of tired, will take care of all this tomorrow.... Sep 27 05:49:05 good night and thx for the info Sep 27 05:50:20 heya johnx Sep 27 05:52:04 hey RST38h Sep 27 05:52:09 just on way to store Sep 27 05:52:11 back in a bit Sep 27 07:06:48 morning Sep 27 07:21:32 hi Sep 27 07:55:03 Enjoy, punks: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/27/technology/27nokia.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&ref=technology Sep 27 08:03:13 yeah, and they copied that from a small innovative company that introduced 2001-2002 fully java-based touchscreen phone with sliding and acc meter effects :) Sep 27 08:04:36 actually only htc desiree has beaten that ux (for me) Sep 27 08:05:35 donno what happened to that company but it sure didn't make it Sep 27 08:10:16 I'm pretty sure nokia actually had online app store in 2004/2005 unlike that article says because I did some contract work on one Sep 27 08:11:08 though it might've just been typically nokia to have multiple competing managers each pushing their own thing and ruining it for everyone Sep 27 08:12:21 yeah, sonera sure did that :) Sep 27 08:13:08 actually they gave the same projects to diff groups and the winning one was chosen to lead etc Sep 27 08:14:04 probably main reason why app store thing failed was that symbian was just terrible to code for and there were only handful of 3rd party apps Sep 27 08:14:26 has anyone heard of http://github.com/rkirti/maemo_angstrom ? Sep 27 08:14:51 people threatened to quit if you made them write symbian code Sep 27 08:15:08 Lopi: yeah, almost drove her mad :) Sep 27 08:15:24 hah Sep 27 08:15:50 does it work well? Sep 27 08:15:55 not really, and is outdated Sep 27 08:16:21 hm, anything else out there like it? Sep 27 08:16:54 best way is meego Sep 27 08:17:07 :/ Sep 27 08:37:03 hello, I'm trying to follow the packaging guide on the maemo wiki to create a debian package of libwnck. I followed everything mentioned but I don't get the binary in the its package or the headers/doc in its dev package. What am I missing !? Sep 27 08:37:35 Stskeeps, does rkirti still come to the maemo irc? Sep 27 08:38:55 sometimes Sep 27 08:42:59 jacktheripper: do you have "install ..." in debian/rules? Sep 27 08:44:09 "install: " yes, as a template I think Sep 27 08:44:22 I mean I didn't mess with it Sep 27 08:45:27 first time I'm doing packaging. So be patient :D Sep 27 08:45:38 anyone know what's easiest way to make whole layout (containing just QLables) clickable? Sep 27 08:45:45 does just extending widget class and setting that custom class as widget for layout work? Sep 27 08:47:28 jacktheripper: it should install your files Sep 27 08:47:50 pastebin your debian/rules Sep 27 08:48:02 ASAP as I have to go soon ;) Sep 27 08:49:45 http://pastebin.com/GqQdTr8t Sep 27 08:49:46 here! Sep 27 08:50:55 I think this will not work: $(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp install Sep 27 08:51:27 well, it's not mentioned in the wiki that I should modify anything Sep 27 08:58:02 do you use autotools? Sep 27 08:58:31 yes I think Sep 27 08:58:37 it's not my source code Sep 27 08:59:55 check debian/tmp dir Sep 27 09:00:02 any your files? Sep 27 09:00:46 yes Sep 27 09:00:52 they're libwnck compiled Sep 27 09:01:03 with headers Sep 27 09:01:12 so, they should be in deb files then Sep 27 09:01:32 they aren't for some reason Sep 27 09:02:11 at least not in data.tar.gz Sep 27 09:02:46 data.tar.gz just has copyright and changelog in /usr/share/doc/libwnck/ Sep 27 09:04:00 have no idea :( Sep 27 09:04:25 thanks for the help anyway :D Sep 27 10:08:39 Hi ! Sep 27 10:09:31 Does the bluetooth mac address is like tcp/ip mac address with a range attributed to one developpers ? Sep 27 10:09:45 i think so Sep 27 10:11:53 does we know which range is attributed to n900 ? Sep 27 10:13:26 It's probably the range allocated to broadcom Sep 27 10:13:44 the hardware manufacturer of the bluetooth device. Sep 27 10:17:58 Morning, all Sep 27 10:18:08 tekojo: ping Sep 27 10:18:20 Jaffa: morning Sep 27 10:18:57 tekojo: Who, in X-Fade's absence, can change the council@ mail alias? Sep 27 10:20:27 ferenc or eero, at least Sep 27 10:20:30 I'll ping Sep 27 10:22:40 tekojo: Thanks Sep 27 10:26:20 SpeedEvil: hum ... will be difficult to differenciate n900 from other device using the same chipset Sep 27 10:26:56 by mac? yes Sep 27 10:27:16 but luckily bluetooth has mechanisms to enumerated device services Sep 27 10:28:19 no Sep 27 10:28:25 I mean yes. Sep 27 10:28:39 You can't generally tell devices from their ID alone. Sep 27 10:29:04 Simply as it's the bluetooth devices ID you're measuring, and that will be shared among many makers of end-user hardware Sep 27 10:45:57 mrmoku|away, you can deactivate your away script. We don't care. Sep 27 10:52:51 mrmoku|away: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html Sep 27 10:53:49 MohammadAG51: ping Sep 27 10:56:03 MohammadAG51: Are you now intrested in logs? because on one hand you say the thread is only there to attract developers and on the other you want some logs (but i was told here on irc that syslog isn't enogh). Sep 27 10:59:10 'ello Sep 27 10:59:17 how goes things? Sep 27 11:04:34 away-script? Sep 27 11:06:28 >> That said, changing your nick is a lesser sin than public /away messages, because it's easy to filter out. << Sep 27 11:07:59 crashanddie: what makes you think that's a script? Maybe mrmoku|away changed his nick voluntarily to document he's 2 weeks on holiday Sep 27 11:08:55 DocScrutinizer: public away messages? Ugh do people say 'me too' still, too? :) Sep 27 11:09:11 tybollt: heh? Sep 27 11:09:46 what fsckng public away message? Sep 27 11:10:45 IRSeekBot: ? Sep 27 11:11:07 IRSeekBot: status Sep 27 11:11:12 IRSeekBot: help Sep 27 11:11:16 IRSeekBot: info Sep 27 11:12:33 hm Sep 27 11:18:19 zash: thanks for the link :-) Sep 27 11:22:42 ouff Sep 27 11:22:43 halp Sep 27 11:23:18 "Warning: Promotion of packages depending on libsdl-ttf2.0-0 has been disabled. We hope to remove this blockage as soon as possible." Sep 27 11:23:30 so what should the dependency be? is it libsdl-ttf2.0 ? Sep 27 11:23:34 * RST38h laughs satanically Sep 27 11:23:41 FINALLY. Sep 27 11:25:00 mece: achipa is your man; I think libsdl-ttf2.0, but Nokia have caused (again) an enormous mess. Sep 27 11:25:25 Well, this is a pretty old problem, so "again" may not apply :) Sep 27 11:25:45 The two packages are the same, right? Sep 27 11:25:51 in terms of content Sep 27 11:25:59 yes Sep 27 11:26:03 ok. Sep 27 11:26:57 does Global image contain all regions? Sep 27 11:27:07 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Sep 27 11:27:15 no Sep 27 11:27:42 it's image for all regions except ones that have region specific image Sep 27 11:28:06 hmmm Sep 27 11:30:57 Jaffa: LOL Sep 27 11:31:32 whats the different between regions? only localization? Sep 27 11:32:00 ilius: like india, UK, err... Vodafone :-P Sep 27 11:32:59 ilius: nobody knows for sure. Some might be regulatory (WLAN channels etc), some are pretty clear (for the chinese version :-D) Sep 27 11:33:22 india missing skype afaik Sep 27 11:33:26 DocScrutinizer: and sim card? Sep 27 11:33:30 nope Sep 27 11:33:35 not afaik Sep 27 11:34:00 as a general rule the global version works great for all regions Sep 27 11:34:36 Segway company owner dies in freak segway accident. Sep 27 11:35:55 mece: ? Sep 27 11:36:15 Millionaire owner of Segway firm dies in freak accident after riding one of his two-wheel machines off a cliff Sep 27 11:36:20 really? Sep 27 11:36:21 :P Sep 27 11:36:22 oh my Sep 27 11:39:51 Appiah: Noooo? Sep 27 11:40:08 dont worry Sep 27 11:40:11 where's the "rumour has it he committed suicide after reading too much tmo" part? Sep 27 11:40:16 they wont stop making em Sep 27 11:40:36 or wait, is this OT maybe? Sep 27 11:40:46 http://www.techeye.net/business/owner-of-segway-rides-segway-off-cliff-dies Sep 27 11:41:21 a n900 o a segway would be cool Sep 27 11:41:28 (now we are back on topic?) Sep 27 11:41:32 on* Sep 27 11:45:09 ""No, Ladies and Gentlemen, let me demonstrate the cool new autopilot AI in Segway advanced!"" Garry, WTF did you do to the repositories? FUUUuuuu.... Sep 27 11:45:59 s/No/Now Sep 27 11:46:56 :) Sep 27 11:49:31 I don't even... Sep 27 11:49:43 What idiot rides a segway near a cliff anyway? Sep 27 11:50:41 a 64y old idiot that bought Segway earlier this year because he thought it's cool to own the company building the thing he loves so much Sep 27 11:51:49 maybe he was trying something new, trying to bring the segway into "extreme" sports Sep 27 11:51:50 I got to try out a segway once, it was pretty funny Sep 27 11:51:59 I think you can find similar incidents for Ferraris, paragliders, whatnot Sep 27 11:52:38 this is way more cool http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cartech/dtv-shredder-gnarly-tank-inspired-skateboard-50000826/?tag=mncol;txt#ixzz10BctgSfs Sep 27 11:52:43 * DocScrutinizer wonders what's an 'utter plonker' Sep 27 11:53:09 Hi dudes, I'm facing with e disaster :D Sep 27 11:53:29 after flashing, my n900 does not detect my SIM card. any idea? Sep 27 11:54:08 guys ? I'm trying to package this library for maemo (my first ever debian package), I get all files created in debian/tmp but not in the actual .deb package. What am I missing ? Sep 27 11:54:35 PeYKaR, flashed an older image than the one you had on there? Sep 27 11:55:07 (eg. PR 1.1.1 when you had 1.2 on there, or whatever) Sep 27 11:55:09 Termana, i don't know what version it was. but i flashed with latest version (maemo 5) USA Sep 27 11:56:32 check the fw version installed Sep 27 11:56:43 PeYKaR, Put a thin piece of cardboard/folded paper in the sim tray before putting your sim in, to hold it tight there Sep 27 11:57:16 Termana, i just worked fine before flashing... Sep 27 11:57:19 it* Sep 27 11:59:07 i flashed the same version (RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM) but there was absolutely no problem with sim card Sep 27 11:59:24 joga: (the bad guys would give up on general principle) that's exactly the American Way of omnipotence misconception. The bad guys will have big fun on on playing shooting clay pigeons with those badass soldiers Sep 27 11:59:26 PeYKaR: maybe solve with that paper Sep 27 12:00:30 let me try Sep 27 12:02:22 PeYKaR: check firmware version, clean SIM contacts, check for PEBKAC Sep 27 12:03:07 i hate E: PEBKAC Sep 27 12:03:17 who doesn't Sep 27 12:03:32 pbekac? Sep 27 12:03:33 wtf? Sep 27 12:03:35 sucks when it's your mum too Sep 27 12:03:41 yo Sep 27 12:03:49 ~pebkac Sep 27 12:03:49 PEBKAC: Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. Sep 27 12:04:57 Almost finished the food menu now :) Sep 27 12:05:04 Which means, I've almost finished the site. Sep 27 12:05:21 Well, content wise, then I have to work on refining the style. Sep 27 12:05:31 why don't you say 95% of computer errors, straight ? Sep 27 12:05:33 DocScrutinizer, what is PEBKAC? Sep 27 12:05:34 Got another meeting this evening, so hopefully he'll be happy with what I've got. Sep 27 12:05:42 Oh, crap, wrong channel ... Sep 27 12:05:45 PeYKaR: see backscroll Sep 27 12:05:46 :)) Sep 27 12:06:25 * merlin1991 wants live partitions shrinking! Sep 27 12:07:29 and scp over usb to the n900 is slow, really slow Sep 27 12:07:41 PeYKaR: there's actually some reports about poorly manufactured SIM cards not contacting to the gold springs that well, so you have to support it someway (I usually suggest some layers of scotchtape to the back of SIM, rather than messing around with paper inlays) Sep 27 12:08:31 PeYKaR: but when your SIM worked flawlessly before the upgrade, it's quite unlikely it borked on mere coincidence Sep 27 12:09:57 DocScrutinizer, any idea? :-/ Sep 27 12:10:12 >90% are user errors though, not correctly closing and locking the SIM holder Sep 27 12:11:03 PeYKaR: make sure your image is the most recent COMBINED file, then reflash that one Sep 27 12:11:49 nokia download site is quite confusing, easy to pick the wrong image file Sep 27 12:12:10 DocScrutinizer, i flashed with: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin (PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1) Sep 27 12:12:21 looks ok Sep 27 12:12:25 mentioned: Latest Maemo 5 USA release for Nokia N900 Sep 27 12:12:45 maybe try global version instead Sep 27 12:12:58 dunno about the USA version Sep 27 12:13:16 I'm in iran, but i don't think it is a regional limit, because my friends flashed their owns with USA version. Sep 27 12:13:21 might conflict with a previous global version PR1.1.1 Sep 27 12:13:27 um Sep 27 12:14:38 USA has some rather screwed carriers, maybe the modem firmware for USA actually is different Sep 27 12:15:34 like "do not accept any Iran SIM" X-P Sep 27 12:15:55 DocScrutinizer, I'm downloading Middle East version... maybe makes it work Sep 27 12:16:15 I suggest to use global version Sep 27 12:16:34 DocScrutinizer, ow, will download it too :) Sep 27 12:17:10 well, middle east might have some RTL text support that you like to get - tbh I got nfc what's the differences between the global and localized versions of PR Sep 27 12:17:57 just know a global device is supposed to work globally Sep 27 12:18:08 DocScrutinizer, i think so :P Sep 27 12:22:19 docscrutinizer: are you actually doing it on purpose to be nearly un-understandable? Sep 27 12:23:11 "rtl tbh nfc pr" Sep 27 12:23:21 you read like a mismanaged middle-manager :P Sep 27 12:24:10 hi Sep 27 12:24:54 any idea why the builtin media player somtimes will switch to another weradio bookmark while playing http://spamradio.com/listen ? Sep 27 12:26:12 crashanddie, doc only has the long term irc disorder ;) Sep 27 12:30:41 TiagoTiago: I would guess it's coming to the 'end' of a track due to a temporary glitch. Sep 27 12:32:21 shouldn't it just stop playing? webradio bookmarks aren't supposed to be a playlist...... Sep 27 12:32:44 I dunno Sep 27 12:34:26 is there a way i can create a subfolder for webradio nbookmarks so ii can control to which stream it will switch to when it glitches like this? Sep 27 12:36:32 Dunno. I'm just hypothesising. Sep 27 12:37:24 it makes sense, when it happens it always skips to the bookmark that comes after it Sep 27 12:37:48 Is there a 'loop' mode? Sep 27 12:37:58 hum... t.m.o down Sep 27 12:38:40 X-Fade, what did you do again? Sep 27 12:38:52 he killed m.o. Sep 27 12:38:59 Khertan_, it's working here... Sep 27 12:39:09 crashanddie, passed the test yet? Sep 27 12:39:21 MohammadAG51, not before the next couple months, lol Sep 27 12:39:29 MohammadAG51, you know, I have a job, and all :) Sep 27 12:39:44 school counts as a job :P Sep 27 12:39:51 no it don't :P Sep 27 12:40:02 the only loop mode is with stored audio files, and it doesn't loop a single file, but all of them Sep 27 12:41:46 crashanddie: uh ... didn't for me :( Sep 27 12:42:11 it counts if you're a teacher Sep 27 12:42:21 DocScrutinizer, I did not hold "u" button first time I flashed. but second time I reflashed it with holding "u". maybe it is because of that? isn't it? Sep 27 12:42:22 and a student Sep 27 12:45:51 PeYKaR: unlikely Sep 27 12:46:11 PeYKaR: either flashing succeeds or it fails completely, leaving device in original state Sep 27 12:46:18 usally Sep 27 12:47:03 only way to create a borked flashing is to prematurely abort the process after it started to actually flash the device Sep 27 12:47:24 or flash a bad image, no? Sep 27 12:48:00 yes, but that's a successful flashing of a borked image then, not a borked flashing of a good image Sep 27 12:49:26 if there is bad contacts in the USB cable and you bump it during flash, will itr finish prematurelly or is there the chance it will send corrupt daata and jut keep flashing to the normal end? Sep 27 12:49:41 USB is generally checksummed Sep 27 12:49:50 DocScrutinizer, hooray, yaaay, worked like a charm :) Middle East version :) Sep 27 12:49:50 at quite a low level Sep 27 12:49:53 DocScrutinizer, tnx dude :) Sep 27 12:50:05 PeYKaR: you're welcome Sep 27 12:50:13 why do you like middle east version? Sep 27 12:50:28 TiagoTiago, scroll up :D Sep 27 12:50:41 then why thumbdrives get bricked if you pull out too soon? Sep 27 12:51:05 TiagoTiago: (bad contacts) aiui the flashing process is secured by checksum Sep 27 12:51:45 hm, i don't see why you would want the ME instead of the Global version, was that mentioned before i came? Sep 27 12:52:15 TiagoTiago: because you rip the the filesystem, just like with pulling plug of any arbitrary computer Sep 27 12:53:19 ok, ut what about when you just bump it without completly removing it? Sep 27 12:53:40 TiagoTiago: actually for flash drives it's even worse, as the blocksize of an aborted "sector" write isn't 512 bytes as on former HDD, but something like 256k Sep 27 12:53:58 lol I love it how I have to apt-get remove rhytmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, to stop rhythmbox from segfaulting :D Sep 27 12:54:13 hey guys Sep 27 12:54:39 my n900 tells me Device (memory card corrupted) Sep 27 12:54:43 any idea how i can fix that Sep 27 12:54:53 ~flashing Sep 27 12:54:54 extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Sep 27 12:55:02 only simple way Sep 27 12:55:07 o_O Sep 27 12:55:11 wtf mate Sep 27 12:55:25 DocScrutinizer, for a corrupted external memory card? Sep 27 12:55:42 who said 'external' except of you Sep 27 12:55:48 that is external Sep 27 12:56:04 mine always says that Sep 27 12:56:15 cause fremantle is too retarded to detect ext3 Sep 27 12:56:22 actually seif_ provided so few info I shouldn't have answered at all, first instance Sep 27 12:56:31 MohammadAG51, i dont have a memory card in yet Sep 27 12:56:44 flashing it is Sep 27 12:56:54 I've fixed that issue with external flash to work with ext3, alas camera-ui app won't save photos to ext3 Sep 27 12:57:07 * MohammadAG51 apologizes to DocScrutinizer Sep 27 12:57:18 what if you simlink to it? Sep 27 12:57:35 (got a date and I'm late, so I try to answer faster on IRC X-P... to compensate) Sep 27 12:57:35 Hooray for Nokia's proprietary differentiation. Sep 27 12:57:54 vfat can't have symlinks Sep 27 12:58:00 GAN900: YEAH!! Sep 27 12:58:12 which differentiation is this Sep 27 12:58:25 good luck Doc *crosses fingers hoping Doc'll get some* Sep 27 12:58:26 psycho_oreos: I made a 4G partition and shrunk mydocs onto this. Sep 27 12:58:33 DocScrutinizer: good luck. Sep 27 12:58:38 * MohammadAG51 has a 3GB /opt Sep 27 12:58:43 psycho_oreos: Then a 26G remainder. Sep 27 12:58:44 ""we differentiate in that we force user to use borked apps"" Sep 27 12:58:51 sp3000, camera-ui, at the moment. Sep 27 12:58:53 ah, yeah, you gotta save to vfat Sep 27 12:59:09 DocScrutinizer, you know what we're doing in hostmode's development Sep 27 12:59:18 what, there's a better nonprop alternative at hand? :) Sep 27 12:59:19 wouldn't corrupted mean the partition itself is not mountable? I've had that issue awhile back, corrupted internal storage but the data remains visible and intact when connected to host PC, after mounting and checking the contents Sep 27 12:59:23 TiagoTiago: date with a doc to fix my left arm :-S Sep 27 12:59:27 # Real hackers don't read docs. Sep 27 12:59:30 we read docs Sep 27 12:59:43 sp3000, there would be if Nokia had opensourced it. Sep 27 12:59:50 oh, lol Sep 27 12:59:57 there is that Sep 27 13:00:05 sp3000, point being, most of Nokia's differentiation code just plain sucks. Sep 27 13:00:09 SpeedEvil, heh my solution was to create loopfs and mount them through there.. I have not been able to repartition that 29GB (and not willing to) Sep 27 13:00:13 sure :) Sep 27 13:00:21 i would call that an appointment and not a date, dates are usually the romantic kind Sep 27 13:00:21 can't the host fsck it just fine? Sep 27 13:00:31 or, wasn't that the traditional solution Sep 27 13:00:47 GAN900: MicroB (and Symbian browser) are Nokia differentiation code Sep 27 13:00:51 And the DO NOT suck Sep 27 13:01:14 Symbian address book and (to some degree) media player do not suck either Sep 27 13:01:18 ...on the ooutside? :) Sep 27 13:01:33 Maemo isn't what I expected it to be though Sep 27 13:01:37 Maps sort-of-doesn't suck. Sep 27 13:01:50 So, I would avoid the "sucks" qualifier Sep 27 13:01:55 MicroB's settings are randomlly generated each time i load it, they are not saved at all Sep 27 13:02:02 the connection agent is annoying. Sep 27 13:02:03 They are saved here Sep 27 13:02:04 most sites said "open device" Sep 27 13:02:10 false advertising sucks Sep 27 13:02:18 RST38h, browser-ui sucks. Sep 27 13:02:29 MohammadAG51: It is an open device. Sep 27 13:02:37 GAN: Got 2-3 warts Sep 27 13:02:37 MohammadAG51: It's the most open phone out there. Sep 27 13:02:40 the system isn't Sep 27 13:02:44 GAN: What sucks is Nokia unwilling to fix them Sep 27 13:02:57 psycho_oreos: (repartition) see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools for repartitioning the easy way, during VANILLA flashing Sep 27 13:03:02 i agree it's the most open phone, but it's not an open phone Sep 27 13:03:05 For example, not providing saved setting for the freaking reflow feature Sep 27 13:03:05 RST38h, yeah, that's the worst part. Sep 27 13:03:07 the device itself isn't quite open, lots of proprietary hardware Sep 27 13:03:24 At least they could let the community take over. Sep 27 13:03:35 MohammadAG51: I would say that nokia n900 - at the time of launch - was significantly more fundamentally open than the openmoko neo1973 a year later. Sep 27 13:03:38 GAN: Stuff like this can be fixed by community in a week Sep 27 13:03:39 TiagoTiago, like what? Sep 27 13:03:49 TiagoTiago, hardware can't be closed Sep 27 13:03:51 drivers can be Sep 27 13:03:54 GAN: 'cause it is trivial technically Sep 27 13:04:02 As it basically functioned, and let devs do stuff to provide apps for users. Sep 27 13:04:09 TiagoTiago: sorry, my non-technical english conversation skills suck like hell Sep 27 13:04:35 Open devices can suck if they have a bad software stack. Sep 27 13:04:51 Anyone can get their hands on the plans for the ARM processors or the GSM modem? Sep 27 13:04:59 lol Sep 27 13:05:12 DocScrutinizer, thanks for that but I'm not too particularly interested in it :) hopefully once I get my 32GB mmc I'll be able to allocate the entire thing as ext3 for more scratch spaces Sep 27 13:06:18 if yes, what are the license for those plans? Sep 27 13:06:27 licenses* Sep 27 13:06:35 TiagoTiago <== hardly knows what he is talking about Sep 27 13:06:49 lol Sep 27 13:07:11 TiagoTiago: you can get your hands on the ARM processor specs. Though not the TI implementation of it. And the full docs of a GSM/HDSPA/... modem. Sep 27 13:07:26 TiagoTiago: It will not be cheap, and will come with NDAs. Sep 27 13:07:42 doesn't sound open Sep 27 13:07:57 SpeedEvil: I wonder what he is going to do with these specs Sep 27 13:08:15 You also need a billion dollar fab to instantiate the ARM chip. Sep 27 13:08:39 aren't specs just numbers, like component count and performance measurements/expectations? Sep 27 13:08:47 No. Sep 27 13:09:06 Full specs of the ARM chip includes detailed mask design and VHDL/... glue logic. Sep 27 13:09:12 raster: hi :-D Sep 27 13:09:14 i see Sep 27 13:09:32 ~specs Sep 27 13:09:40 balls Sep 27 13:10:28 Full specs are what would enable you to make your own device from sand and rocks. Sep 27 13:10:51 ok Sep 27 13:10:59 nothing out there in this universe comes with FULL specs of that kind Sep 27 13:11:14 lol Sep 27 13:11:26 TiagoTiago: well, you have specs of specific arm chip that are just numbers and how to use it Sep 27 13:11:38 TiagoTiago: and you have specs from arm that have full design of chip Sep 27 13:12:59 i see Sep 27 13:13:09 anyway, I like to try and catch that appointment. Need my arm for the future Sep 27 13:13:12 cya Sep 27 13:13:25 good luck, cya Sep 27 13:13:57 * MohammadAG51 gives DocScrutinizer an ARM Coretex-8 Sep 27 13:14:05 lol Sep 27 13:14:06 Cortex* Sep 27 13:14:25 ShadowJK, ping Sep 27 13:15:32 If you gotta pay and sign a NDA, or reverse engineer the thing to get the plans for the hardware, i don't think you can call that hardware open Sep 27 13:15:53 ARM will sell you the plans outright. Sep 27 13:16:03 It will be hideously expensive. Sep 27 13:16:08 without a NDA? Sep 27 13:16:12 Yes. Sep 27 13:16:20 $200k? Sep 27 13:16:32 No, much, much more. Sep 27 13:16:35 why isn't it on Wikileaks or some torrent sites already? Sep 27 13:16:41 got some spare cash MohammadAG51 ? :D Sep 27 13:16:49 A sizeable fraction of the value of company ARM. Sep 27 13:16:55 $200kk? Sep 27 13:17:03 merlin1991, i wish Sep 27 13:17:20 i think not so much Sep 27 13:17:29 So basicly you would have to buy the IP becoming the new owner? Sep 27 13:17:53 yes. Sep 27 13:18:02 If you want the rights to distribute it. Sep 27 13:18:03 * MohammadAG51 pays 200kk and makes a new CPU Sep 27 13:18:11 i mean they get most of their money from fee that you pay for each unit manufacture Sep 27 13:18:14 manufactured Sep 27 13:18:21 is FOOT FET-9 a good name? Sep 27 13:18:27 lol Sep 27 13:18:37 i mean i saw a development board Sep 27 13:18:48 that had fpga instead of real cpu Sep 27 13:18:52 hi guys Sep 27 13:18:56 hello Sep 27 13:19:25 all these busyness talk is just confirming the thing is closed Sep 27 13:19:26 my N900's battery is totally dead, and it won't charge either on the wall charger or a USB cable Sep 27 13:19:37 try to reboot Sep 27 13:19:43 hadr reboot Sep 27 13:19:45 perhaps your usb port is dead? Sep 27 13:19:53 and it may be your failing usb port failed Sep 27 13:20:03 no Sep 27 13:20:03 it may well be died battery too Sep 27 13:20:09 it is shut down Sep 27 13:20:13 that's exactly the way it behaves as it dies Sep 27 13:20:16 and it won't turn on Sep 27 13:20:28 Surfa, not if bme isn't running Sep 27 13:20:32 Venemo: Unplug battery. Leave out for a minute. Plug battery back in. Attach to wall-charger. Sep 27 13:20:35 would plugging to the wall without the battery be a good idea? Sep 27 13:20:36 Venemo: Leave for an hour. Sep 27 13:20:47 Venemo: Do you happen to have a voltmeteR? Sep 27 13:20:49 TiagoTiago: no Sep 27 13:20:52 MohammadAG51, doesn't really mean anything Sep 27 13:20:54 ok Sep 27 13:21:01 Surfa, actually, it does Sep 27 13:21:16 MohammadAG51, i have seen plenty of devices behaving such way if battery doesn't work Sep 27 13:21:17 SpeedEvil, hmm? DocScrutinizer's hotswap depends on that Sep 27 13:21:24 SpeedEvil: I don't have one right now Sep 27 13:21:40 SpeedEvil: I plugged it out and in, and left it on the wall charger for over 8 hours Sep 27 13:21:52 Surfa, stop bme, the device will cold shut down when the battery's dead Sep 27 13:21:57 SpeedEvil: although I didn't wait a minute before plugging it back Sep 27 13:22:13 MohammadAG51: It also relies on setting teh device in a very specific condition first Sep 27 13:22:23 Venemo: a minute shouldn't really be needed. Sep 27 13:22:37 Venemo: had you got any indications that your USB connector was dodgy? Sep 27 13:22:42 my device charges fine when it's dead Sep 27 13:22:48 cold dead Sep 27 13:22:56 SpeedEvil: no Sep 27 13:23:14 SpeedEvil: although I did stop bme, so I think the battery is simply dead Sep 27 13:23:29 Venemo: Do you get a light when you plug in the charger? Sep 27 13:23:33 bq27xx chaeging should always kick in Sep 27 13:23:40 Venemo, if i were you i'd try out other battery in the first place and try anything else afterwards Sep 27 13:23:42 charging Sep 27 13:23:52 Hardware charging should always start then on flat battery, and give orange light. Sep 27 13:24:07 Once the device boots initally though things can go wrong. Sep 27 13:24:08 even without a battery Sep 27 13:24:24 steady orange (or amber depending on your eyes and semantics) Sep 27 13:24:50 or yellow Sep 27 13:24:50 about charging: this morning I plugged the charger in on the n900 Sep 27 13:24:54 and the n900 shut down Sep 27 13:25:00 this has happend to me before Sep 27 13:25:05 without a battery and with a broken kernel, you can start the device without a battery Sep 27 13:25:16 did it come back? or stayed off? Sep 27 13:25:18 and I need to take out the battery and insert it again to be able to start it Sep 27 13:25:26 oh, wow Sep 27 13:25:39 happend last week too =/ Sep 27 13:25:46 SpeedEvil: nothing happens when I plug in the charger. no LEDs Sep 27 13:25:50 is it hot? Sep 27 13:26:02 is the usb port loose at all? Sep 27 13:26:11 TiagoTiago: no Sep 27 13:26:27 TiagoTiago: it is not loose, and the N900 doesn't get hot Sep 27 13:26:49 Venemo: Do you also not get any lights when plugged into a computer? Sep 27 13:27:06 did you use it in a moist environment or dropped any liquids on it? Sep 27 13:27:57 SpeedEvil: indeed Sep 27 13:28:12 TiagoTiago: no, I didn't Sep 27 13:28:22 hi all! Sep 27 13:28:31 Venemo: My first attempt would be to unplug battery for a minute, to ensure it's not a state problem. Then I'd go looking for a multimeter. Sep 27 13:29:00 lo rodarvus :) Sep 27 13:29:20 why people on Africa can use their mobiles as wireless wallet even for things like vending machines and I have to a significant percentage of minuimum wage just to browse the web on my mobile? :/ Sep 27 13:29:45 have to pay a significant* Sep 27 13:30:07 TiagoTiago: ekhm, where? Sep 27 13:30:09 TiagoTiago: because it's probably different technology Sep 27 13:30:24 TiagoTiago, because you my sad friend, live in America and not Africa. That's why. Sep 27 13:30:35 or Europe Sep 27 13:30:36 no, i blame the governament and the carriers Sep 27 13:30:57 hey its the land of the free right? Sep 27 13:31:03 TiagoTiago: Where ar eyou? Sep 27 13:31:05 passive aggressive complaining always helps Sep 27 13:31:06 TiagoTiago: I forgot. Sep 27 13:31:08 free to take any charge(rate?) :) Sep 27 13:31:15 I find it most consoling Sep 27 13:31:21 too many taxes and the carriers want too big profits for too little service Sep 27 13:31:27 Brazil Sep 27 13:32:14 SpeedEvil: so what do I do with a multimeter? Sep 27 13:32:23 multimete Sep 27 13:32:37 Venemo: set it to volts. Measure the voltage between the + and - connections on the battery Sep 27 13:32:43 Do you want me to tell you where you should stick it? Sep 27 13:32:51 Xp Sep 27 13:33:16 well, I don't have a multimeter with me Sep 27 13:33:36 sorry, I was not familiar with the meaning of the word in English :( Sep 27 13:33:55 would licking the battery work? Sep 27 13:34:08 sorry, i was just being silly Sep 27 13:34:55 TiagoTiago: same here Sep 27 13:35:29 a multimeter is a device that measures a bunch of electricity related properties of stuff, can be used to check the charge of batteries if set correctly Sep 27 13:35:35 Is there anyway to get the N900 camera to, you know, not suck? Sep 27 13:35:53 Termana: in what way Sep 27 13:36:05 It is astonishing for what it is. Sep 27 13:36:10 SpeedEvil, all my pictures turn out blurry and dark Sep 27 13:36:16 (even with the flash) Sep 27 13:36:17 But you can only get so much performance out of something 6*6mm Sep 27 13:36:21 In the dark? Sep 27 13:36:24 TiagoTiago: yeah, I figured that out :) thanks :) Sep 27 13:36:33 SpeedEvil, in the light Sep 27 13:36:38 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/ - all my recent pics are n900 Sep 27 13:36:52 I'd not say they suck. Sep 27 13:36:54 Termana: just don't try dark photos with it, and it is quite good. Sep 27 13:37:05 didn't they break some records in the N8 with some optics and material tricks? Sep 27 13:37:08 fcam will do very good efforts in the dark. Sep 27 13:37:20 SpeedEvil: yet another app? :) Sep 27 13:37:23 fast cam? Sep 27 13:37:26 (the composition of the pictures may suck) Sep 27 13:37:26 like fam Sep 27 13:37:38 also lack of details in the target helps Sep 27 13:37:41 But the dynamic range/resolution are acceptable. Sep 27 13:37:43 what is you guys' opinions on that Bless900 prog? Sep 27 13:37:49 SpeedEvil: I had troulbe falling asleep knowing I did not managet to set up USB networking :) Sep 27 13:37:55 n900 camera is really shitty in low-light, but good for outdoors in daylight Sep 27 13:38:08 dsg: It's OK for slow-shots indoors with fcam. Sep 27 13:38:15 sivang: use Mad Developer Sep 27 13:38:24 dsg: I get not bad results with flash Sep 27 13:38:29 I saw on the web some night videos taken with N900 and they looked surprisingly good Sep 27 13:38:31 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs185.snc4/37577_1505114797535_1524226484_1232793_5100651_n.jpg <- one of my favourite N900 pictures Sep 27 13:38:41 ah, fcam the research project Sep 27 13:38:47 funny I read about it 3 motnhs ago and frogot Sep 27 13:38:54 SpeedEvil: Hm, haven't tried fcam :) Sep 27 13:38:54 visz, that ain't an N900, THAT'S NOTRE DAME! Sep 27 13:39:07 strasbourg Sep 27 13:39:14 Venemo: yes, but that doesn't make me not need to setup networking Sep 27 13:39:14 same difference Sep 27 13:39:30 oh, right Sep 27 13:39:32 Cathédrale Notre-Dame-de-Strasbourg Sep 27 13:39:35 fcam can produce OK pictures where the PR1.1 viewfinder would have been black. Sep 27 13:39:42 PR1.2 got lots better with night mode. Sep 27 13:39:44 I have some pretty nice ones from somewhere very nice in Europe :) Sep 27 13:40:12 oh ! I must continue my persuit to flashing but before backing up but for that I need USB networking :-P Sep 27 13:40:25 that beaked thing photo was taken with a N900? Sep 27 13:40:31 vidoes are better than photos in the dark, even with my PR1.1. Sep 27 13:41:17 why are you still using the older PR? Sep 27 13:41:24 SpeedEvil: okay, I now separated the battery for more than a minute. put it back, put the N900 on the charger. no effect Sep 27 13:42:22 you're placing the battery in the right position, right? Sep 27 13:42:49 Venemo: I would be leaning towards hardware problems. Sep 27 13:42:56 TiagoTiago: yes... Sep 27 13:43:18 * MohammadAG51 suggests charging it externally Sep 27 13:43:25 btw, check the contacts on both ends see if the metal plates aren't bent out of the way Sep 27 13:43:57 TiagoTiago, Venemo knows his shit :P Sep 27 13:44:06 k.... Sep 27 13:44:40 TiagoTiago: they are not bent in any way. This happens since the battery was depleted yesterday, so I would bet this is an issue with the battery itself Sep 27 13:44:53 or the bq chip Sep 27 13:45:12 and it only appeared yesterday since the bat was depleted Sep 27 13:45:26 TiagoTiago: before you ask, no, I didn't short-circuit it. neither did I throw it into fire, nor any ridiculous stuff like that Sep 27 13:45:42 lol Sep 27 13:45:57 ~flatbatrecover Sep 27 13:45:58 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Sep 27 13:46:06 did you drink consume the battery as an energy drink? Sep 27 13:46:24 DocScrutinizer: you are the third one today recommending that. :) Sep 27 13:46:48 DocScrutinizer: and it isn't working Sep 27 13:47:32 do you happen to be flying over the Bermuda triangle, or have you witnessed any hauntings latelly? Sep 27 13:47:32 then your hardware is broken (or more likely you're not exactly following the recomendations, or have a borked firmare image on your sevice) Sep 27 13:47:38 device* Sep 27 13:47:50 Venemo: Sounds similar to my first n900, USB connector ripped the track up from the PCB so it stopped charging in the middle of the night, in the morning it was permanently dead Sep 27 13:47:59 DocScrutinizer: no, I simply stopped bme and let it deplete Sep 27 13:48:07 it's not even lighting up steady, so i don't think it can be a firmware issue Sep 27 13:48:17 DocScrutinizer, firmware can't affect the bq afaik Sep 27 13:48:17 DocScrutinizer: the LED doesn't light up Sep 27 13:49:02 hey MohammadAG51 Sep 27 13:49:26 DocScrutinizer: there's something enchanting with the word "b0rk3d" Sep 27 13:49:34 i'm off Sep 27 13:49:38 hi sivang Sep 27 13:49:42 studying, cya Sep 27 13:49:49 MohammadAG51: goodbye Sep 27 13:51:10 I think I'll check whether the device works with another battery. if yes, the battery died. if no, then something else is wrong and a warranty repair is in order Sep 27 13:52:19 remember to check if it can charge other batteries to confirm if it isn't the USB socket gone bad Sep 27 13:52:31 TiagoTiago: good thought Sep 27 13:54:04 Venemo, no joy? Sep 27 13:55:13 h4waii: I don't have another BL-5J with me, so I dunno Sep 27 13:55:30 * sivang retires USB networking setup. Sep 27 13:58:12 erm Sep 27 14:00:03 i unplugged the charger on mine, it went ploool with the battery indicator red, i quickly plugged the charger back in panic, but then i remembwred i had just checked a few minutes ago and it had full battery, so i unplugged the charger again and now it recognized the full charge....go figure.... Sep 27 14:00:14 When you plug it in, watch the LED very closely - does it spark just a TAD? Sep 27 14:00:28 me? Sep 27 14:00:35 No, Venemo Sep 27 14:01:02 k Sep 27 14:01:38 h4waii: nope Sep 27 14:01:52 h4waii: not at all Sep 27 14:02:48 TiagoTiago: You can't trust the battery meter, especially after a partial charge. This is true of all consumer electronics. Sep 27 14:03:40 it had been plugged for hours and with the screen off the LED was green Sep 27 14:04:08 it choked when i pulled the plug the first time, but got it right the seocond time Sep 27 14:06:18 Venemo, you CAN direct wire lines to the hot and ground on the battery to charge it. Sep 27 14:06:45 Venemo, but I wouldn't do it for more than an hour or so. Or just buy an external charger and spare BL-5J. Sep 27 14:09:40 Jaffa, ping? Sep 27 14:11:01 crashanddie: sorry for annoying you... will turn it off Sep 27 14:11:09 zash: yeah, nice link, thanks :) Sep 27 14:11:12 thanks, much appreciated. Sep 27 14:13:44 h4waii: there is no hot on battery Sep 27 14:13:49 h4waii: it's positive and negative Sep 27 14:14:37 TiagoTiago: that happens quite often Sep 27 14:14:40 TiagoTiago: bme goes haywire Sep 27 14:14:46 TiagoTiago: you have to reboot Sep 27 14:15:02 GAN900: pong Sep 27 14:15:09 GAN900: Thanks for doing so much of the issue last night Sep 27 14:16:33 it seems to be working right now, i'll wait for a bit more and see if the baterry charge indicator doesn't go down, only then i'll reboot (unless somthing else makes me reboot earlier) Sep 27 14:17:56 uptime junkie? Sep 27 14:18:27 lol Sep 27 14:19:01 just don't wanna reboot when i don't have too Sep 27 14:19:17 right now it seems to be working alright Sep 27 14:19:26 Jaffa, I like Engadget's source/via links. Sep 27 14:19:35 Jaffa, can we do something like that for mwkn? Sep 27 14:19:42 Jaffa, and no problem. :) Sep 27 14:19:44 the lowcharge scare seems to have been just a hiccup Sep 27 14:20:08 unrelated, but cool: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/23/adobe-shows-off-plenoptic-lenses-that-let-you-refocus-an-image-a/ Sep 27 14:20:09 TiagoTiago: lshal|grep battery.voltage.current Sep 27 14:20:28 i wud like to install qt 4.7 experimental packages on my N900.. i tried googling it... i cudnt get a proper ans.. does "apt-get install libqt4-experimental-*" work on my mobile?? Sep 27 14:20:29 TiagoTiago: 4165 or so = fully charged. 3000= empty. Sep 27 14:21:09 4001 Sep 27 14:21:16 mostly flat then Sep 27 14:21:19 err Sep 27 14:21:25 60% or soc harge I mean Sep 27 14:21:30 that was a 4 Sep 27 14:21:51 yes Sep 27 14:22:34 according to BatteryGraph it's pretty close to full Sep 27 14:24:21 GAN900: Rather than just "read more"? Sep 27 14:24:32 batterygraph believes the normal API I think. Sep 27 14:24:34 i wud like to install qt 4.7 experimental packages on my N900.. does "apt-get install libqt4-experimental-*" work on my mobile?? do i need to uninstall libqt4-maemo5-core first? Sep 27 14:24:35 Which is broken. Sep 27 14:27:45 it got like 3 or 4 different lines that move somewhat close together while the charger is unplugged, they all seem to be related to battery charge and they are all near the top Sep 27 14:29:10 ok, now the battery charge indicator in the status bar shows a little bit of charge gone, still close to the top Sep 27 14:30:36 are you saying that if i reboot now it will jump to about half charge left? Sep 27 14:32:41 well, ok, lets see what hapen Sep 27 14:33:28 hello der.... i wud like to install qt 4.7 experimental packages on my N900.. does "apt-get install libqt4-experimental-*" work on my mobile?? do i need to uninstall libqt4-maemo5-core first? Sep 27 14:35:11 nope, it's still shows the same amount of charge Sep 27 14:37:39 perhaps the maximum my battery ever gets is significantly lower than it should be? Sep 27 14:39:00 reboot Sep 27 14:39:07 just did Sep 27 14:39:25 hmm Sep 27 14:39:31 stop bme Sep 27 14:39:36 and discharge it Sep 27 14:39:45 what do you mean? Sep 27 14:39:50 and charge it as soon as it dies Sep 27 14:40:11 just keep using battery till it dies? Sep 27 14:40:17 yes Sep 27 14:40:20 but with stopped Sep 27 14:40:24 stopped bme Sep 27 14:40:32 so it dies because of low voltage shutdown Sep 27 14:40:39 and then charge it with dedicated charger Sep 27 14:40:50 that may help Sep 27 14:40:52 is there a way to do it in jsut a few minutes without harming anything? Sep 27 14:40:58 no Sep 27 14:41:02 it will take hours Sep 27 14:41:04 you mean the wall charger or a separated battery charger? Sep 27 14:41:42 wall charger Sep 27 14:41:51 it should go into emergency charge mode Sep 27 14:42:00 and don't try to start it Sep 27 14:42:03 just leave it Sep 27 14:42:27 and that will make it show full battery with a bigger value? Sep 27 14:42:32 maybe Sep 27 14:42:39 nothing else you can do Sep 27 14:42:53 but it will let bq27000 learn true capacity of battery Sep 27 14:43:11 Jaffa, yeah. Sep 27 14:43:28 is it dangerous to let it die of low charge? like will there be risk it will mess up the file system? Sep 27 14:43:31 Jaffa, since we get that meta-summary thing going for a lot of stories. Sep 27 14:43:45 very unlikely Sep 27 14:43:52 Would he be telling you to do something that would fubar your device? Sep 27 14:43:58 Jaffa, be nice to be able to link to both the real content (a wiki page, perhaps) and the commentary. Sep 27 14:44:04 ok Sep 27 14:44:08 h4waii: i would Sep 27 14:44:19 so i run killall bme or what? Sep 27 14:44:31 h4waii: if somebody would be asking stupid questions or stuff i wouldn't have any problems with that Sep 27 14:44:34 TiagoTiago: stop bme Sep 27 14:44:36 TiagoTiago: that command Sep 27 14:44:37 and how long after plugging it can i power it back? Sep 27 14:44:48 when it goes out of emergency charge mode Sep 27 14:44:53 which should be 32 minutes Sep 27 14:45:12 hello everybody... i wud like to install qt 4.7 experimental packages on my N900.. does "apt-get install libqt4-experimental-*" work on my mobile?? do i need to uninstall libqt4-maemo5-core first? Sep 27 14:45:14 so when it is pulsing orange? Sep 27 14:45:25 i dunno vat Sep 27 14:45:30 in emergency charge mode it's steady orange Sep 27 14:45:41 when it disappears emergency charge is finished Sep 27 14:45:53 so when it stops being steady it's safe to turn on again? Sep 27 14:46:00 wtf Sep 27 14:46:04 Are you trolling dude? Sep 27 14:46:08 me? Sep 27 14:46:22 Do you have a comprehension problem? Serious question. Sep 27 14:46:49 I just wanna be sure so i won't fuck things up Sep 27 14:46:56 TiagoTiago: i think he mean vatsap Sep 27 14:47:04 ok Sep 27 14:47:04 TiagoTiago: you can't fuck it up as such Sep 27 14:47:12 aight Sep 27 14:47:14 TiagoTiago: but Sep 27 14:47:26 i won't sue you Sep 27 14:47:30 TiagoTiago: if you charge it to level when it's barely enough to boot Sep 27 14:47:39 but not enough to start system Sep 27 14:47:44 you may end up in reboot loop Sep 27 14:47:54 so leave it pulsing orange for a bit? Sep 27 14:48:15 when it will discharge to level when you have to start from emergency charge again Sep 27 14:48:25 ideally when steady orange disappears Sep 27 14:48:33 disconnect it and then connect back again Sep 27 14:48:41 ok Sep 27 14:48:50 if it's still steady orange leave it Sep 27 14:49:05 but 32 minutes should be enough to charge it Sep 27 14:49:06 i see Sep 27 14:49:16 if you connect it as soon as it dies Sep 27 14:49:26 it is yellow, not orange, isn't it? Sep 27 14:49:37 Oh god. Sep 27 14:49:55 anything you recomend i do to make the battery go down the fastest that would be safe? Sep 27 14:49:58 lol Sep 27 14:50:06 Turn on everything. Sep 27 14:50:34 i was supposed to be yellow, some call amber, looks kinda orange to me Sep 27 14:50:41 Screen brightness up, always on. GPS, WiFi, BT, FMTX all turned on and transmitting/receiving. Sep 27 14:51:02 and play a video while you're at it. Sep 27 14:51:27 You'll cook it in 1 hour and can start recharging it. Sep 27 14:51:57 h4waii, you're trolling. Quit it. Sep 27 14:52:04 i don't think i can use the FM tunner with the transmitter at the same time Sep 27 14:52:25 crashanddie, hardly. Sep 27 14:52:36 cellphone is far more significant Sep 27 14:52:41 well, you are going to quit, whether you agree or not. Sep 27 14:52:50 I'm not the one asking the same question, over and over. Sep 27 14:52:53 transfer data over 3G, turn the brightness up to max, and you're about 70% of max load Sep 27 14:53:13 I've done absolutely nothing to warrant a banhammer. Sep 27 14:53:34 that will cost me lots of money, way to much to compensate the reduced wait Sep 27 14:53:57 Call your voicemail. Should be free. Sep 27 14:54:04 s/compensate/be worth/ Sep 27 14:54:05 TiagoTiago_ meant: that will cost me lots of money, way to much to be worth the reduced wait Sep 27 14:54:30 wait, i think the first time might have been right, i'm confused now... Sep 27 14:56:38 does the FM transmitter consume more or less energy than the builin speakers at full volume? Sep 27 14:56:57 FMTX, logically. Sep 27 14:56:58 less Sep 27 14:57:02 it uses cookies Sep 27 14:57:06 How so, SpeedEvil ? Sep 27 14:57:21 h4waii: because it does. Sep 27 14:57:47 so i should be blasting it out of the speakers instead of the FMTX in order to drain the battery faster? Sep 27 14:58:34 yes Sep 27 14:58:43 though speakers aren't really very draining. Sep 27 14:58:54 more than the FMTX at least Sep 27 14:58:55 watch something streaming over 3G with flash Sep 27 15:00:31 would trying to launch too much stuff and make the system lag drain battery any significantly faster than leaving the device usable? Sep 27 15:00:55 What do you think? Sep 27 15:00:58 no Sep 27 15:01:06 Watch something over 3G with flash. Sep 27 15:01:09 Tying up the processor will save energy? Sep 27 15:01:10 i dunno if the processor eats lots of battery when kept at maximum clock Sep 27 15:01:11 With screen brightest. Sep 27 15:01:29 no 3G, too expensive Sep 27 15:01:34 That will eat lots. Discharge in an hour and a half or so. Sep 27 15:01:34 You can't use common sense to see it will require more energy at a high clock? Sep 27 15:01:46 wifi then - 2.5h or so Sep 27 15:01:55 h4waii: No, you can't. Sep 27 15:02:07 SpeedEvil, what? Sep 27 15:02:20 h4waii: common sense does not give sensible answers to electronic questions if you don't understand the fundamentals. Sep 27 15:02:36 Often locking the CPU to a lower frequency will cause more power to be used. Sep 27 15:02:48 no, i mean, will it use significantly more energy at full clock flipping so many bits it starts to lag, or i can just keep playing games and it will drain the battery in about the same time Sep 27 15:02:49 To the specific question he posed, common sense can be used. Sep 27 15:03:21 If I am driving at WOT as opposed to half, will it use more gas? Sep 27 15:03:55 I realize the principle of electricity is different, yes. Sep 27 15:03:57 i know flipping more bits uses more battery, i wanna know if it will make any noticeable difference having it lag or just keep streaming music, GPS indoors, WIFI no power saving and playing games Sep 27 15:04:26 But the primary logic is the same, SpeedEvil. Sep 27 15:05:41 h4waii: Druving WOT is most efficient for an internal combustion engine. Sep 27 15:05:47 SpeedEvil: that is because CPUs have sleep states. Doing X units of work at low clock speed may cost more power due to taking more time, and having less time to sleep. But if the work never ends, high clock speed will use power faster Sep 27 15:06:12 SpeedEvil, efficiency is not what we're discussing. We're talking about fuel consumption. Sep 27 15:06:54 SpeedEvil, and there are other components that work with the internal combustion engine that do NOT take kindly to the effects of WOT. Sep 27 15:06:59 h4waii: See the hypermiling sites for ways to use that in practice to greatly exceed the continuous mileage of a car at pulse. Sep 27 15:07:17 (where in practice WOT is not used) Sep 27 15:07:18 anyway, if you want to waste cpu power, easy: run in the terminal: cat /dev/zero > /dev/null Sep 27 15:07:43 SpeedEvil, there is a trade-off location where WOT will win, yes. But the problem is reaching it. Sep 27 15:07:56 cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null Sep 27 15:08:32 if it won't make battery go off much earlier than if i just keep listening to music and playing games what would be the point of making the device just lag and heat up without being used? Sep 27 15:09:28 it is being used Sep 27 15:09:38 when it produces heat it's using energy from battery for it Sep 27 15:09:49 it's being used a a heater and night light, not as a computing device Sep 27 15:10:16 it doesn't have small ZPM inside Sep 27 15:10:26 which would be nice if it would have Sep 27 15:10:30 indeed Sep 27 15:10:36 http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/articles/t-pulse-and-glide-plus-warp-stealth-in-the-prius-ii-for-maximum-fe--1224.html Sep 27 15:10:45 TiagoTiago_; out of curiosity, what is your age? Sep 27 15:10:50 25 Sep 27 15:11:05 SpeedEvil, I can clearly see the article is biased just from the title stored in the URL. Sep 27 15:11:59 h4waii: That does not in principle make it incorrect. Sep 27 15:12:16 i could be playing or doing other shit on my desktop, but i've developed a sweet tooth for Dstroy latelly...... Sep 27 15:12:55 The basic idea is really very simple. The efficiency of the engine is much larger at significant fractions of the maximum power output than ticking over at 10% or so. Sep 27 15:13:58 i'm off all, have a good one Sep 27 15:14:01 having your car be powered by pulse blasts sounds quite geeky Sep 27 15:15:01 re Sep 27 15:16:48 hi folks, is it only me or got anyone probs with urpo? Sep 27 15:19:11 urpo, thihihihi Sep 27 15:20:31 :) Sep 27 15:24:27 FIQ|n900: are you running xchat clienT? Sep 27 15:24:41 if so set nickserv pw as server pw you authing to late Sep 27 15:24:46 :) Sep 27 15:25:29 how hard it is to hack the Prius II onboard computer to facilitate those tricks? Sep 27 15:28:51 moo wazd Sep 27 15:31:03 "The European union has banned by law trading of incandescent light bulbs due to their bad efficiency/ecology reasons (most of the energy is transformed into heat). A company is now trying to bypass this by offering their incandescent light bulb products as a heating device." Sep 27 15:31:22 lol Sep 27 15:32:11 I'm not surprised... good , if I want to pay more for my electricity then this is my problem not UE's Sep 27 15:33:03 thought it's everyone's problem if you use too much electricity i guess Sep 27 15:33:31 yeah let's ban all too fast graphics cards as well :) Sep 27 15:33:38 lol Sep 27 15:34:34 there is a technology that resuses the waste heat of CPUs and GPUs to produce electricity though... Sep 27 15:36:07 in some datacenter heat is used to warm swimming pool water :) Sep 27 15:36:15 lol Sep 27 15:37:52 TiagoTiago: no, there isn't. Sep 27 15:38:13 TiagoTiago: you can in principle get maybe 10% of the power into a GPU and going out as thermal back into electrical. Sep 27 15:38:15 Carnot. Sep 27 15:38:16 reminds me, stirling engine cpu fan: http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/02/29/msi_eco_2.jpg Sep 27 15:38:44 if nothing else, you could put a stirling generator with the hot side facing the heat dissipator of the computer and the cold side facing the outside Sep 27 15:39:38 RST38h: heya :) Sep 27 15:39:46 RST38h: how's it going? Sep 27 15:39:59 but i'm pretty sure i read they got some motherboards, or perhaps some video cards or some other computer related hardware that is making the waste heat not be completly wasted Sep 27 15:40:38 lol, when i want the battery to drain fast, it is slow Xp Sep 27 15:40:38 TiagoTiago: if you do that, you add temperature. Sep 27 15:41:02 TiagoTiago: if you add an extra 30C, you can extract about 10% of the energy. Sep 27 15:41:09 (In principle) Sep 27 15:41:23 But you also make the device run hotter, and add lots of complexity Sep 27 15:41:53 depending on host country having a computer pump out excess heat may be a benefit Sep 27 15:41:57 As long as you get the heat away from the delicate components fast enough i imagine there shouldn't be any issues Sep 27 15:43:31 Do you know of a homescreen widget that is a speedometer of battery consumption? Sep 27 15:44:26 I haven't gotten it done yet. Sep 27 15:44:38 lemme know when you do please? Sep 27 15:44:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management Sep 27 15:44:41 see that script Sep 27 15:45:26 TiagoTiago_, some of the live wallpapers are high consumers Sep 27 15:45:59 do you know which one is the biggest? Sep 27 15:46:55 no TiagoTiago_ are your hands cold or something? Sep 27 15:47:07 lol Sep 27 15:47:39 someone here i am not sure the name suggested i turn off bme adn draint he battery to get a good calibration of battery capacity, i wanna drain my battery fast Sep 27 15:48:11 * Stskeeps passes lcuk a plate with bacon Sep 27 15:48:16 BACON!!!!! Sep 27 15:48:21 ta dude :) Sep 27 15:49:55 if i keep one of the side arrow keys held down in the home screens they start spinning so fast they go black Sep 27 15:50:58 Go to youtube. Play something on loop. Sep 27 15:51:07 drained in a couple of hours Sep 27 15:51:57 hey lcuk did you knew that things get messy if you have liwflow running and set liwflow as livewallpaper? Sep 27 15:52:14 liqflow* Sep 27 15:52:39 what's the battery daemon in maemo? bce? Sep 27 15:53:26 bme Sep 27 15:54:10 TiagoTiago_, yes, theres a clear button in the bottom, once i get head into things the options dialog will arrive as well as all the other stuff it has Sep 27 15:54:42 i mean, if you have liqflow standalone running and then you also set liqflow as livewallpaper Sep 27 15:55:16 ahh well, bug in x11 stuff of mine Sep 27 15:55:20 im goin tho Sep 27 15:55:26 aight, cya Sep 27 15:56:18 it's like both of them are fighting to use the screena at the same time Sep 27 15:57:37 i wonder how much heat is dissipated by the air moved by the speakers versus how much heat the speakers themselves genereate Sep 27 16:00:51 hihi Sep 27 16:01:15 does the battery charge indicator freezes when you stop bme? Sep 27 16:01:19 is there a reason why I can't find MADDE under "Development" section after enabling all extras- ? Sep 27 16:01:38 do you already have it installed? Sep 27 16:04:05 hm, now i got a ghost liqflow running, it only shows in certain pixels of some programs.... Sep 27 16:04:23 there Sep 27 16:04:48 TiagoTiago_: I might, let me check. Sep 27 16:06:17 I it would be a totall waste of processing power (not to mention battery charge), but is there any way i can get somthing liek Winamp's Milkdrop audio "visualizations" on my N900? Sep 27 16:07:34 hello, anyone interested in participating in an open source study? Sep 27 16:09:12 what would be involved? Sep 27 16:09:56 hey lbt Sep 27 16:10:29 sivang: hi Sep 27 16:10:35 is it helthy to run lots of stuff to the point of the N900 is hot and keep running till the battery dies? Sep 27 16:10:51 TiagoTiago_: if you asked me, it would be just me :) Sep 27 16:11:08 huh? Sep 27 16:13:58 Hi ! Sep 27 16:14:05 biodi: sure, but I'll be leaving in ~15 min. Please send any questions/links in a private message, and I'll get back to it in a few hours Sep 27 16:14:53 TiagoTiago_: I did it several times, the machine is intact afterwards but mine's relatively new and I don't do heavey use of it per se. Sep 27 16:15:05 TiagoTiago_: I like to multitask on it, so... Sep 27 16:15:13 i see Sep 27 16:18:49 TiagoTiago_: and it does get terribly hot. Sep 27 16:19:37 yay! the batter is over! Sep 27 16:19:42 battery* Sep 27 16:20:15 time for steady orange Sep 27 16:25:03 RST38h, well they make sense in .fi. It's light during summer and people don't use lights. In the winter it's cold and the lights are close to 100% efficient if you think of them as combined heat and lighting devices :) Sep 27 16:25:44 SEtup a generator to take advantage of the temperature difference between indoors and outdoors Sep 27 16:25:51 and sell electricity Sep 27 16:30:44 if the yellow light looks orange, is the green or the red too weak? Sep 27 16:31:27 too strong red? :) Sep 27 16:31:39 ShadowJK: interesting point Sep 27 16:31:39 or that Sep 27 16:32:53 TiagoTiago_: assuming you're talking about RGB Sep 27 16:32:59 indeed Sep 27 16:33:09 right, so MADDE is installed Sep 27 16:33:22 so it is only in the installed apps section Sep 27 16:33:39 or! you're doing wrong 24-bit -> 16 bit rgb conversion :) Sep 27 16:34:02 when you install somthing it only shows in the installed section (and when there is an update, in the update section) Sep 27 16:39:03 TiagoTiago_: yes, would make more sense to just show it in the apps for installation list but have a small icon next to it or some mark that's it is already installed Sep 27 16:39:12 TiagoTiago_: like the UI version of dpkg -l Sep 27 16:39:14 ;) Sep 27 16:41:37 Like on Synaptic? Sep 27 16:41:46 or however that is spelled Sep 27 16:46:41 hi, my n900 seems to get very sluggish after 3 days of uptime. can someone help me track what is cauzing this? Sep 27 16:46:57 hm, i'll see if i can figure out how to rip that "Brace for impact! Heads down! Stay down! Heads down! Stay down!" recording from that Delta airlines crashlanding to use as ringtone Sep 27 16:52:45 no matter what I do, no packets pass onto the USB networking. Sep 27 16:52:49 * sivang args Sep 27 16:52:51 arghs Sep 27 16:52:57 TiagoTiago_: not difficult - use audacity Sep 27 16:53:16 i gotta find a good source online Sep 27 16:53:57 i thought mad-developer would help Sep 27 16:54:11 it does get the module up, and configured but other than that- nothing works Sep 27 16:54:26 did you try the orientation on the wiki? Sep 27 16:54:44 TiagoTiago_: yes, a couple of times already- there are a couple, which one were you referring to? Sep 27 16:55:21 there is more than one? I dunno then, i remember seeing one when i was trying to find a way to use another cellphone as a modem for the N900 Sep 27 16:55:28 there used to be a very simple document someone from FN showed me on a Qt Dev Days, but I can't find it. Sep 27 16:55:40 frals lol @your tweet!! Sep 27 16:55:49 Noobmonk3y: ? Sep 27 16:55:57 supposedly! Sep 27 16:55:59 Noobmonk3y: its teh truth :( Sep 27 16:56:03 evening alls! Sep 27 16:56:06 hey frals Sep 27 16:56:09 evening Noobmonk3y Sep 27 16:56:18 i are a sweaty betty today!! Sep 27 16:56:18 o/ Sep 27 16:56:23 bastard Sep 27 16:56:24 :D Sep 27 16:56:35 what did it say? Sep 27 16:56:35 hahaha Sep 27 16:56:53 off to turkey for a day next week i think Sep 27 16:57:19 Hi Sep 27 16:57:32 hey Sep 27 16:58:02 hi Noobmonk3y Sep 27 16:58:20 * MohammadAG51 curses school tests, waves bye Sep 27 16:58:24 frals, come all the way to greece, within 10 mins the family friend said.... can you fix my pc's please!!! damn greeklish keyboards! Sep 27 16:58:28 hey mo!!! Sep 27 16:58:55 Noobmonk3y: lol Sep 27 16:59:02 I wanna find the video CNN used on TV, it got the audio perfect, all the way back from "Brace for impact" Sep 27 16:59:12 and havent slept for 2days! Sep 27 16:59:53 Noobmonk3y: tell them we don't fix PCs :) Sep 27 17:00:19 lol! :P Sep 27 17:00:20 better, tell them you don't fix PCs that don't speak english Sep 27 17:00:27 Noobmonk3y: atleast i bet you dont have +8C and cloudy? :P Sep 27 17:01:02 ahhhhh 30 and no cloud! :) but was -2 when i left for the airport yesterday at 2am Sep 27 17:01:06 it is more +37c in the desert here. Sep 27 17:01:18 lol tiago! Sep 27 17:01:29 clouds are nice, they protect you from the damaging sun's radiation Sep 27 17:01:36 sivang, im from the uk, anything above 15 is damn hot! Sep 27 17:01:48 damn right Sep 27 17:01:53 Noobmonk3y: I'm not from the UK, and it is the same for me :) Sep 27 17:02:03 Noobmonk3y: at the wrong spot of the globe ;) Sep 27 17:02:07 Myrtti: *born Sep 27 17:02:11 err, Noobmonk3y ^ Sep 27 17:02:30 I think +10c is enough for summer. Sep 27 17:02:32 lol Sep 27 17:02:42 lol sivang Sep 27 17:02:49 take it you get no snow! Sep 27 17:02:51 hehehe Sep 27 17:02:56 NO! :-/ Sep 27 17:03:17 and I don't think Santa really visits us, it'll be bad for his blood pressure Sep 27 17:03:19 Hi all Sep 27 17:03:23 Noobmonk3y: you have to wait to 16 before you can say that. Sep 27 17:03:28 Noobmonk3y: Oh - temperature. Sep 27 17:03:52 Noobmonk3y: we're lucky to have rain :-p Sep 27 17:04:14 :) that is one thing i dont want in 10 days!!! hehehe Sep 27 17:04:15 * SpeedEvil looks at the solid grey sky. Sep 27 17:04:18 Noobmonk3y: Whereabouts in the UK are you? Sep 27 17:04:24 Noobmonk3y: hehe Sep 27 17:04:49 11C +-1C for the next 2 days, with no sun at all forecast. Sep 27 17:04:52 He flies faster than light at high altitudes and dives on chimneys, i don't think he's worried about his blood pressure Sep 27 17:04:56 Noobmonk3y: yes, british people keep complaining about the weather, but I tell you it is much nicer to sit in a coffee house when it's 10c a bit cloudy then it is 37c and a desert Sep 27 17:04:58 near brighton, but in lesvos at the mo! Sep 27 17:05:37 sivang, i agree, but its the same affect reversed, i only want it hot for summer, hehehe Sep 27 17:05:40 And jumpers are a lot easier than ice-packs. Sep 27 17:06:03 speed, cold beer is much better than hot chocolate Sep 27 17:06:06 can anyone help me in converting videos for the N900? Sep 27 17:06:31 Noobmonk3y: I absolutely loved the weather in Edinburgh Sep 27 17:06:38 Noobmonk3y: I prefer Coffee so.. :) Sep 27 17:06:47 if I only want to watch these videos on the N900, what are the best and the optimal settings to be used? Sep 27 17:07:01 Noobmonk3y: although Little Britian spare it not when talking about recommended vacation destenations. Sep 27 17:07:04 hehehe Sep 27 17:07:10 :) :) Sep 27 17:07:18 at most 480 of height, at most 800 of width, i dunno about the rest Sep 27 17:07:22 Noobmonk3y: they have this piece about the scottish hotel owner :) Sep 27 17:08:35 Tiago, thanks. Any graphical click-and-convert tool that you recommend Sep 27 17:10:35 * sivang -> out , be back later. Sep 27 17:10:42 ciao! Sep 27 17:12:00 I haven't tried converting any videos yet, a few programs i've used in the past are Super (damn link maze int he site to figure out how to download), MediaCoder, and VirtualDub ,, VLC is supposed to be able to do things like that too, but i haven't had sucess figuring out what to do in the past, i didn't tried too hard though Sep 27 17:12:15 right back to my holiday! ciao alls!!! Sep 27 17:12:16 I mean, i haven't tried converting any videos to use with the N900 yet Sep 27 17:12:25 Hi again Sep 27 17:12:50 someone have try qtmobility and the location api ? Sep 27 17:13:24 i always got a isValid()==False even after gps got fix Sep 27 17:14:02 you have checked you've got fix using location-test-gui Sep 27 17:14:30 an icon in the status menu should be enough for the api to return True Sep 27 17:14:57 mprayertime is in Qt, and uses the location api, but it's C++ Sep 27 17:15:29 the gps icon stop to blink and stay on so should be enought, isn't it ? Sep 27 17:15:35 yes Sep 27 17:15:59 though I have no idea about QtMobility, sorry :) Sep 27 17:17:08 where is that guy about videos? Sep 27 17:17:21 is there any channel for the nokia qt sdk ? Sep 27 17:17:42 hi again Sep 27 17:18:10 digitalsurgeon, #qt ? Sep 27 17:18:26 vkvraju: i have no idea about what codecs or other details about the format might be make videos be compatible and play smoothly Sep 27 17:19:32 Tiago, Thats ok. Probably I need to spend some more time on this to find a satisfying result/way Sep 27 17:20:31 TRansfer that video that comes with the N900 to your desktop and check what are the parameters on it Sep 27 17:20:54 http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding Sep 27 17:21:48 ~video enconding Sep 27 17:21:49 Friends, I am quite sure this topic would have already been beaten to death here. But now that Qt 4.7 is out, how realistic is PR 1.3 for our N900. Sep 27 17:21:56 so where exactly does one find the source code for an N900 app? Sep 27 17:22:03 Tiago, I think thats a good way to start Sep 27 17:22:08 depends on the app Sep 27 17:22:18 nsschedule is what i'm looking for Sep 27 17:22:48 why infobot didn't say anything? isn't she supposed to make a funny comment about not knowing what i was talking about if she didn't? Sep 27 17:23:11 vkvraju : December 2011 Sep 27 17:23:21 superchode : you can go to repos. Go here http://maemo.org/packages/ and search for the app you are looking for. You might get a link to the code for this app Sep 27 17:23:34 Khertan : lol :) Sep 27 17:24:16 yeah, that worked. thanks Sep 27 17:24:44 are you sure it isn't 2012-12-21 ? Sep 27 17:25:11 by Dec 2011, I would be expecting 3rd software release for the mystery N9 Sep 27 17:26:35 vkvraju : hum n900 got two update in one year ... n9 should be out in december so only expect 2nd release :) Sep 27 17:26:41 Why the N900 doesn't support all the H.264 profiles? Sep 27 17:27:08 because Sep 27 17:27:18 lol Sep 27 17:27:38 Khertan : It doesn't matter how many updates we got. All it matters is how usable and friendly the device is. Anyways, lets please not debate on the usable part Sep 27 17:28:37 Btw Friends, is the End-of-the-Day thing right on schedule ? Or will it be delayed ? If so, I would get into trouble Sep 27 17:29:10 btw, what happens with the extra 54 pixels from videos recorded at full resolution when played in the N900 itself? Sep 27 17:29:27 vkvraju : to be honest, when i see how usable the n900 is think the Meego device will be good too ! Sep 27 17:29:52 RST38h: ( incandescent light bulb products as a heating device) and that's exactly what I plan to use them for :-D Sep 27 17:30:05 there are displayed out side of the screen Sep 27 17:30:05 s/there/they Sep 27 17:30:27 lol Sep 27 17:30:44 RST38h: damn it's be insane to have an electric radiator, if yiou can get light for free from same amount of electric energy Sep 27 17:31:05 I had scratches there, so couldn't see those extra pixels. Sep 27 17:31:14 lol Sep 27 17:31:51 I would give MeeGo a chance till their 1.2 release before I start using it Sep 27 17:32:12 even 1.2 might be too optimistic Sep 27 17:32:30 1.3 should be correct Sep 27 17:32:44 vkvraju : 1.2 should be the first usable release for handset if i understand the roadmap Sep 27 17:32:55 1.0 was core release (only a terminal) Sep 27 17:33:02 lol Sep 27 17:33:23 Khertan : Nokia reads it as usable, true. But we should read it an Deployable. Sep 27 17:33:23 1.1 will be release soon Sep 27 17:33:36 1.2 would be device ready Sep 27 17:33:39 1.3 should be user ready Sep 27 17:33:46 lies Sep 27 17:33:54 so do not expect too much Sep 27 17:34:08 it really annoys me when people rellease 1.* versions that aren't yet really out of beta stage Sep 27 17:34:15 exactly, I have lowered my expectations Sep 27 17:35:02 Tiago 1.0 isn't out of beta stage for netbook Sep 27 17:35:02 s/isn't/is Sep 27 17:35:09 on a side note, how do I reply to particular user here. I am using webchat.freenode.net. For some odd reasons, pidgin doesn't allow me to log in Sep 27 17:35:49 if it is still betta it isn't worthy of comming out of zero-point-somthing IMO Sep 27 17:35:50 Khertan_n900: "usable" doesn't mean you'll enjoy to use it Sep 27 17:35:59 :) like me ... enter his name + ':' Sep 27 17:36:03 or remap a shortcut for tab Sep 27 17:36:03 i m using webchat too Sep 27 17:36:29 Khertan_n900: testing Sep 27 17:36:37 oops, that didn't go well Sep 27 17:37:04 btw, I am very new to this IRC stuff too Sep 27 17:37:42 ok, pulsing orange again, gonna wait a few more minutes just to be sure and it's boot time Sep 27 17:37:53 DocScrutinizer: depends on your usage Sep 27 17:37:59 DocScrutinizer : phone call, + 3g internet, and pyqt4 binding will made me a happy user of Meego Sep 27 17:38:06 TiagoTiago_: pulsing orange still might mean it's NOLO chaging Sep 27 17:38:22 i pulled out and plugged back and it didn't go back to steady Sep 27 17:38:23 TiagoTiago_: give it at least! plus 30min Sep 27 17:38:26 Khertan : Even I too expect the same thing from MeeGo 1.1 Sep 27 17:38:41 30minutes, aight Sep 27 17:39:36 * Khertan_n900 hate fucking website that redirect to wap page !!!! GRRRR Sep 27 17:39:42 Khertan_n900: what's with your webchat? :-P Sep 27 17:40:17 are you going to code that via pyqt4 bindings then? Sep 27 17:40:50 talking about that, why does the OVI store redirects to .mobi ? Sep 27 17:41:25 oh nice Sep 27 17:41:42 /dev/mtd1 stores the lock code as DES Sep 27 17:41:50 that's kinda retarded Sep 27 17:42:01 MohammadAG51: :-D Sep 27 17:42:13 DocScrutinizer: webchat ? http://webchat.freenode.net ... can t use real irc .... block by the isp Sep 27 17:42:22 not the default though - it's 12345 PLAIN TEXT X-P Sep 27 17:42:23 mebbit? Sep 27 17:42:32 ssh port forwarding is a useful tool Sep 27 17:42:52 It's kinda a downer, you buy an expensive device supposed to have desktop web browsing capabilities and the very company that makes it redirects their site to a mobile version when you try to acess it with the device Sep 27 17:43:06 Khertan_n900: I was interested how you'll going to use that with phone call, + 3g internet, and pyqt4 binding Sep 27 17:43:37 hmm Sep 27 17:43:48 /dev/mtd2 holds logs, possibly NOLO logs? Sep 27 17:44:04 kernel panic and OOPS logs Sep 27 17:44:10 MohammadAG51: lots of people are very thankfull for that retardation, there is a whole thread on TMO about recovering forgoten lock codes Sep 27 17:44:41 TiagoTiago_, I'm sure stolen phone shops agree Sep 27 17:44:43 yeah and john takes ~0.8s to decode :-P Sep 27 17:44:43 MohammadAG51, kernel oops i think Sep 27 17:44:54 http://pagesjaunes.fr redirect now to a wap page Sep 27 17:45:06 130903.349609] Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt Sep 27 17:45:09 btw, is there a way to see a kernel panic on my n900 ? Can I try it ? Also, when that happens, how do I collect logs ? Sep 27 17:45:09 was working well before Sep 27 17:45:09 seems so Sep 27 17:45:29 vkvraju, framebuffer kernel Sep 27 17:45:44 causes a maximum of 3 reboots at boot up, but works Sep 27 17:45:46 sorta Sep 27 17:45:57 so, how do I try it Sep 27 17:46:03 reboot 3 times continously ? Sep 27 17:46:15 vkvraju: echo heartbeat > /sys/*/*/led:r*/trigger Sep 27 17:46:23 This convo already happened in the forum, the view there was that the lock code isn't for preventing use by thiefs, but keeping nosy friends out of your deviec while you're going #1 or whatever Sep 27 17:46:29 with closed kbd and locked screen Sep 27 17:47:24 collection of framebugger kernels, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/ Sep 27 17:47:29 Doc: but then, how would I collect logs and how do I get out of the situation Sep 27 17:47:30 typo intended Sep 27 17:47:40 I hope it would not cause too much harm to my N900, right? Sep 27 17:47:48 no, it won't Sep 27 17:48:13 vkvraju: or simply "cat /dev/kmem" Sep 27 17:48:22 why powerkernel doesn't come with such an option? Sep 27 17:48:27 or does it? Sep 27 17:48:36 what option? Sep 27 17:48:37 vkvraju: logs are in /dev/mtd2, you get out of the situation by automatic reboot Sep 27 17:48:39 So Moammad: Do I need to install them from that page? Sep 27 17:48:50 yes Sep 27 17:48:50 the framebuffer thing Sep 27 17:49:05 it causes some reboots occasionally Sep 27 17:49:07 at boot up Sep 27 17:49:11 ah Sep 27 17:49:14 nothing that affects use though Sep 27 17:49:23 * timeless_pidgin waves from ... Sep 27 17:49:29 Killarney Sep 27 17:49:32 hi timeless Sep 27 17:49:36 Bermuda triangle? Sep 27 17:49:43 damn, battery low Sep 27 17:49:48 * MohammadAG51 kills bme Sep 27 17:50:02 "Ring of Kerry" Sep 27 17:50:05 tried cat /dev/kmem after becoming root. Device just rebooted Sep 27 17:50:11 is this waht kernel panic is Sep 27 17:50:11 lol Sep 27 17:50:23 vkvraju: yes Sep 27 17:50:42 "kernel panic" sounds like things should burst into flames and scream like a little girl in a horror movie... Sep 27 17:50:45 I was expecting to see something on the terminal that says Kernel Panic or something of that sort Sep 27 17:50:47 * MohammadAG51 tries command typed above Sep 27 17:51:07 vkvraju: stock kernel has no console Sep 27 17:51:38 (at least none on device - there's a serial console though) Sep 27 17:52:15 those contacts under the battery? Sep 27 17:52:20 yep Sep 27 17:52:40 Stock configuration doesn't use it Sep 27 17:52:49 someone should make a battery cover that slips some plugs under the batter and has extrenal plugs for those things Sep 27 17:52:49 It's terrible for battery life Sep 27 17:52:49 duh! Sep 27 17:52:58 trying to see through that logs under /dev/mtd2. Need to be root for that too Sep 27 17:53:03 yeah, that's why you got flasher flags Sep 27 17:53:04 s/batter/battery/ Sep 27 17:53:05 TiagoTiago_ meant: someone should make a batteryy cover that slips some plugs under the batter and has extrenal plugs for those things Sep 27 17:53:21 TiagoTiago: fail Sep 27 17:53:26 lol Sep 27 17:54:09 what was the correct syntax? Sep 27 17:54:15 regex are really hard to get right, it seems Sep 27 17:54:19 Stronger match Sep 27 17:54:24 lol Sep 27 17:54:28 Regexp matches left to right Sep 27 17:54:28 ah, i see Sep 27 17:54:40 So you needed to not match the first instance Sep 27 17:54:53 i thought it looked for individual words first instead of just the first match Sep 27 17:55:09 which would've been easy, you just append a " " Sep 27 17:55:18 hm, good point Sep 27 17:55:29 wouldn't have helped if it was the last word int he msg though Sep 27 17:55:48 i guess that is where punctuation is missed Sep 27 17:55:55 but it helps on / he / Sep 27 17:56:12 instead of "helped" Sep 27 17:56:27 s/ he / the / Sep 27 17:56:37 hmm, looked at the mtd2 logs. Didn't understand even a single bit. God please give strength to all those who debug issues based on these logs Sep 27 17:56:53 he he he Sep 27 17:56:53 You can include words or letters preceding your match, you just have to include them in the replacement Sep 27 17:57:02 s/he$/xx/ Sep 27 17:57:06 meh Sep 27 17:57:13 ~useless Sep 27 17:57:14 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( Sep 27 17:57:45 ii think someoone the other day said it's not a real regex thing, it just looks like it Sep 27 17:57:54 On emulators - http://b3ta.com/board/10196281 Sep 27 17:57:55 Oh, and infobots have broken regexp parsing Sep 27 17:58:13 Don't expect wild cards or other symbols to work Sep 27 17:58:20 whats this infobot thing U all discussing Sep 27 17:58:23 Yep Sep 27 17:58:33 Infobot: you? Sep 27 17:58:34 somebody said infobot was better than wowbot Sep 27 17:58:43 they basically have NO regex parsing, just a very elementary string match Sep 27 17:58:44 * timeless_pidgin points Sep 27 17:58:45 ~infobot Sep 27 17:58:45 well, infobot is better than wowbot Sep 27 17:58:52 lol Sep 27 17:58:53 Infobot: have a botsnack Sep 27 17:58:54 timeless_pidgin: thanks Sep 27 17:58:59 !asl Sep 27 17:59:08 is it a real user or just some spam bot stuff ? Sep 27 17:59:10 Mousey: die. Sep 27 17:59:11 ~status Sep 27 17:59:11 Since Thu Sep 16 09:58:38 2010, there have been 67 modifications, 1161 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 519 commands. I have been awake for 11d 8h 9s this session, and currently reference 117289 factoids. I'm using about 38392 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3637.57/92.97 child 0/0 Sep 27 17:59:14 oh! Sep 27 17:59:15 ~asl Sep 27 17:59:16 Old enough, yes please, my place. Sep 27 17:59:17 i think the one they use on the Firefox channel at moznet is smarter, or perhaps i'm thinking of another one Sep 27 17:59:29 * Mousey huggles TiagoTiago_ Sep 27 17:59:30 oops Sep 27 17:59:34 * Mousey huggles timeless Sep 27 17:59:35 wait Sep 27 17:59:36 nm Sep 27 17:59:37 no hugs Sep 27 17:59:38 lol Sep 27 17:59:48 group hug!!!! Sep 27 17:59:56 ~grouphug Sep 27 17:59:57 * infobot hugs everbody and makes it all better... Sep 27 18:00:01 ^_^ Sep 27 18:00:02 Btw guys, anyone from France here ? Sep 27 18:00:10 :) Sep 27 18:00:13 word: Since Thu Sep 2 13:39:07 2010, there have been 1 modifications and 7 questions. I have been awake for 24 days, 21 hours, 20 minutes, 18 seconds this session, and currently reference 6301 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. Sep 27 18:00:14 i am Sep 27 18:01:07 The infobot here has a large database. I'm unsure about the quality of its database... Sep 27 18:01:16 cool, I MIGHT have to travel to France for few days for an event Sep 27 18:01:48 lol Sep 27 18:01:53 Sophia Antipolis Cedex Sep 27 18:01:55 timeless_pidgin: 50% are zip codes Sep 27 18:02:01 vkvraju : be carefull there are some strike currently Sep 27 18:02:09 oh ok Sep 27 18:02:15 DocScrutinizer: ... Sep 27 18:02:20 btw, it will take me another 10 days before I start Sep 27 18:02:29 Infobot: airport code HEL? Sep 27 18:02:40 and I would be there for only 5-6 days Sep 27 18:02:41 Infobot: HEL? Sep 27 18:02:41 methinks hel is (Hardware Emulation Layer) This provides software-based emulation of features that are not directly available in hardware. Sep 27 18:02:52 Grr Sep 27 18:03:00 Infobot: .br? Sep 27 18:03:00 .br is, like, Brazil Sep 27 18:03:13 Infobot: area code 512? Sep 27 18:03:13 far out Sep 27 18:03:13 well, area code 512 is Austin and Corpus Christi, Texas Sep 27 18:03:15 Infobot: .in? Sep 27 18:03:37 Infobot: FU Sep 27 18:03:37 FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- Sep 27 18:03:44 Area codes/zip codes/country codes Sep 27 18:03:45 hehe Sep 27 18:03:46 lol, not what i expected Sep 27 18:03:49 ~listkeys zip Sep 27 18:03:52 Factoid search of 'zip' by key (21 of 42422): zip 17771 ;; zip 18944 ;; zip 19969 ;; zip 22125 ;; zip 2358 ;; zip 33960 ;; zip 37773 ;; zip 40205 ;; zip 42324 ;; zip 44305 ;; zip 49343 ;; zip 49958 ;; zip 58225 ;; zip 59863 ;; zip 60548 ;; zip 61825 ;; zip 6415 ;; zip 6480 ;; zip 65259 ;; zip 66667 ;; zip 67008. Sep 27 18:03:55 Sometimes vaguely useful Sep 27 18:04:02 ~~ Sep 27 18:04:13 Infobot: ~ Sep 27 18:04:20 balls Sep 27 18:04:23 Infobot: zip 90210 Sep 27 18:04:23 from memory, zip 90210 is Beverly Hills Los Angeles CA Sep 27 18:04:37 Infobot: listkeys hel Sep 27 18:04:38 Factoid search of 'hel' by key (15 of 340): applix shelf ;; asking if they needed help as the linux version ;; devhelp ;; drywall help ;; eggdrop help ;; eggyknapsweebitoforaclehelp ;; handhelds.org status ;; helix's kiss ;; hello hell ;; hello, ;; hello-world ;; helpvampire ;; jargon hello, sailor!2 ;; linuxhelp ;; markybob help. Sep 27 18:04:42 So, Khertan, is Sophia Antipolis Cedex entirely the name of the city Sep 27 18:05:09 Infobot: listkeys airport Sep 27 18:05:11 Factoid search of 'airport' by key (18 of 1802): airport bkk ;; airport bpn ;; airport dca ;; airport evn ;; airport flo ;; airport fod ;; airport gig ;; airport isb ;; airport lca ;; airport mee ;; airport mgf ;; airport mle ;; airport nra ;; airport pgv ;; airport pqi ;; airport pto ;; airport pug ;; airport qdb. Sep 27 18:05:31 * timeless_pidgin kicks pidgin Sep 27 18:05:43 ~airport hel Sep 27 18:05:44 rumour has it, airport hel is The code for the airport in: Helsinki, Finland Sep 27 18:05:59 Right... Sep 27 18:06:17 ~Lady Gaga Sep 27 18:06:33 Backstreet Boys Sep 27 18:06:34 ~tell TiagoTiago_ about query Sep 27 18:06:42 vkvraju : i think but it s in the south of france so didn't know Sep 27 18:07:04 if it s not the name of the city it s the name of the area Sep 27 18:07:08 oh ok, i am awaiting visa Sep 27 18:07:09 a bit like silicon valley Sep 27 18:07:12 :) Sep 27 18:07:13 ohk Sep 27 18:07:59 I think once I have my plans confirmed, I would ask more about it Sep 27 18:08:05 :) Sep 27 18:08:08 * timeless_pidgin kick pidgin again Sep 27 18:08:17 Btw, Infobot didn't answer my previous query Sep 27 18:08:26 Infobot: .in? Sep 27 18:08:38 You got the syntax wrong :) Sep 27 18:09:14 whats the correct one then? Sep 27 18:09:42 ~tell vkvraju about query Sep 27 18:10:21 not yet, is it lunch time for the bot :) Sep 27 18:10:25 "what is (foo-that-may-or-may-not-exist)?" Sep 27 18:10:27 who is apt? Sep 27 18:10:42 apt is infobot Sep 27 18:10:49 .in didn't exist. Someone presumably deleted it Sep 27 18:11:03 hehe :) Sep 27 18:11:22 ~factinfo .in Sep 27 18:11:23 .in -- created by timeless_pidgin <~timeless@83-71-74-190-dynamic.b-ras1.lmk.limerick.eircom.net> 2m 1s ago; it has been requested once, last by timeless_pidgin, 1m 22s ago. Sep 27 18:12:18 Well, just because it *didn't* exist when you asked doesn't mean it shouldn't exist the next time someone asks :) Sep 27 18:12:20 hm, seems infobot can learn by spying what we say Sep 27 18:12:35 ~literal .in Sep 27 18:12:36 ".in" is "India" Sep 27 18:12:45 Depends on whether it's in passive or active mode Sep 27 18:13:01 now I am confused. whats the deal with this timeless_pidgin. I am new to IRC. So, kindly bear with me Sep 27 18:13:32 vkvraju: just forget it Sep 27 18:13:42 vkvraju: doesn't mean a thing Sep 27 18:13:44 It doesn't matter Sep 27 18:14:01 timeless is a person, infobot is a bot Sep 27 18:14:03 having some fun with a bot Sep 27 18:14:08 Anyone you talk to could be a bot, or a dog Sep 27 18:14:18 Ok, now I got it. hehe Sep 27 18:14:23 or an FBI agent pretending to be an underaged kid Sep 27 18:14:26 Some things you talk to might be people Sep 27 18:14:54 Regardless of whether you are talking to people or bots, someone might be upset if you misbehave Sep 27 18:15:00 so, FBI is interested in maemo? Interesting Sep 27 18:15:01 or an underaged kid pretending to be an FBI agent pretending to be an underaged kid Sep 27 18:15:49 FBI is just interested in *you* Sep 27 18:16:03 The point is that you shouldn't misbehave Sep 27 18:16:09 what about Interpol, scotland yard? are they here too ? :) Sep 27 18:16:15 Nor should you make assumptions Sep 27 18:16:15 sure Sep 27 18:16:28 There are 478 connections Sep 27 18:16:33 tey're spying on FBI :-P Sep 27 18:16:39 At least one of which publishes logs Sep 27 18:16:47 ok, now back to topic, when can we expect PR 1.4 for our N900 Sep 27 18:16:47 Which are indexed by google Sep 27 18:17:01 Infobot: pr1.4? Sep 27 18:17:13 Infobot: pr1.3? Sep 27 18:17:13 extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... Sep 27 18:17:44 ~pr1.4 Sep 27 18:17:46 Infobot: pr1.4 is extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.4 is a ban'able subject now..... Sep 27 18:17:47 timeless_pidgin: okay Sep 27 18:17:49 Infobot: Kill switch? Sep 27 18:17:50 * infobot shoots a magneto-ionized anti-photon gun at switch Sep 27 18:18:11 Infobot tell vkvraju about pr1.4 Sep 27 18:18:26 ~timebomb vkvraju Sep 27 18:18:34 hehe Sep 27 18:18:48 Infobot: Nokia rules Sep 27 18:18:56 balls, infobot doesn't know how to play timebomb Sep 27 18:18:59 :( Sep 27 18:19:07 :( :) Sep 27 18:19:37 Tiago, try nuclear bomb. It's a modern bot Sep 27 18:20:18 the explosive technology is less important than the trigger Sep 27 18:20:41 whenever I see that N8, I am getting tempted to go for it. The camera module is really amazing there. Sep 27 18:21:27 like that card ad says "power is nothing without control" Sep 27 18:21:31 gah Sep 27 18:21:43 like that car ad says "power is nothing without control" Sep 27 18:21:55 was it Toyota ? :) Sep 27 18:22:01 damn, I need a coffe Sep 27 18:22:03 e Sep 27 18:22:05 lol Sep 27 18:22:08 ~pr1.4 Sep 27 18:22:09 extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.4 is PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject Sep 27 18:22:16 obviously Sep 27 18:22:19 ~pr2.4 Sep 27 18:22:31 Infobot: ~pr2.4 Sep 27 18:22:44 ~pr1.4 Sep 27 18:22:44 PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject Sep 27 18:23:18 infobot: Who's your daddy? Sep 27 18:23:19 YOU are, Mr Sexy Pants! Sep 27 18:23:27 vkvraju: messing too much with infobot also might count as off topic chan spamming (/me going to kick himself) Sep 27 18:23:28 * TiagoTiago_ rolls eyes Sep 27 18:23:51 ok Sep 27 18:24:43 on a general notice: Sep 27 18:24:43 In other news: ... Sep 27 18:24:45 ~query Sep 27 18:24:46 talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query apt" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) Sep 27 18:24:51 Oh brother Sep 27 18:25:00 I can't copy a history item Sep 27 18:25:06 * timeless_pidgin stabs someone Sep 27 18:25:13 * mgedmin says "ouch" Sep 27 18:25:18 why not? Sep 27 18:25:20 Docscrutinizer: what number is next! Sep 27 18:25:30 lol, 4711 Sep 27 18:26:05 ~ timeless number is 27 Sep 27 18:26:06 okay, DocScrutinizer Sep 27 18:26:23 http://www.neatorama.com/2010/09/27/this-is-how-i-link-science-articles/ Sep 27 18:26:36 ~ timeless number Sep 27 18:26:37 i guess timeless number is 27 Sep 27 18:27:15 infobot: no, timeless number is 28 Sep 27 18:27:16 okay, DocScrutinizer Sep 27 18:27:30 ~timeless umber Sep 27 18:27:33 ~timeless number Sep 27 18:27:34 from memory, timeless number is 28 Sep 27 18:27:44 interesting Sep 27 18:28:05 That number is correct ? Sep 27 18:28:11 * timeless_pidgin is about to use it Sep 27 18:28:26 i have no idea Sep 27 18:28:33 Docscrutinizer ? Sep 27 18:28:47 this hostmode tester thread has become amazing. Sep 27 18:28:59 timeless_pidgin: I lost track of it Sep 27 18:29:05 MohammadAG; I hope you're having a laugh Sep 27 18:29:09 timeless_pidgin: so might be off a few Sep 27 18:29:11 My entries go to 24 Sep 27 18:29:26 k, my memories were 25 initially Sep 27 18:29:27 It's possible i spent 25+ Sep 27 18:29:36 thought I must have missed 1 or 2 Sep 27 18:29:37 Did you find a 25? Sep 27 18:29:51 h4waii, no, I'm about to shoot myself Sep 27 18:29:59 hard to grep the logs for it Sep 27 18:30:05 unfortunately I'm not licensed to own a gun Sep 27 18:30:05 no special keyword Sep 27 18:30:12 Yeah... Sep 27 18:30:13 are there any docks available for the n900, anyone? Sep 27 18:30:34 does infobot really learns by observing or only when addressed directly? Sep 27 18:30:39 Dude, it's pure awesome. Sep 27 18:30:39 25. History and anything like it (bookmarks) need to support basic operations (like copy). After all, if it's important enough to retrieve, it should be available for copying (grr: microb) Sep 27 18:30:46 I am dying laughing. Sep 27 18:30:46 only when addressed Sep 27 18:31:14 Tiagotiago: this one is in required mode, or at least as it requires a command char is effectiv Sep 27 18:31:20 TiagoTiago_: only by direct addressing Sep 27 18:31:20 We need a Misinfobot, that learns from what anyone says Sep 27 18:31:21 Ely require Sep 27 18:31:28 though : ... Sep 27 18:31:31 We don't Sep 27 18:31:32 ~seen TiagoTiago_ Sep 27 18:31:33 I wish some mods would get off there arses Sep 27 18:31:38 Tilde foo is bar Sep 27 18:31:43 Would teach it Sep 27 18:31:51 So it isn't technically require Sep 27 18:31:52 tiagotiago_ is currently on #maemo (3h 54m 54s). Has said a total of 152 messages. Is idling for 31s, last said: 'We need a Misinfobot, that learns from what anyone says'. Sep 27 18:31:54 damn, who killed her? Sep 27 18:31:57 ooh Sep 27 18:32:26 Infobot is currently lagging a bit it seems Sep 27 18:32:30 Most learning is probably done in private Sep 27 18:32:44 ~exec forkbomb(); Sep 27 18:35:40 to suspend the setlments constructions, and then start a regime of random bombing and boobytrapping the building sites untill they learn they shouldn't go there, then one last carpetbombing to clean the mines and let the other people come Sep 27 18:35:45 we need to* Sep 27 18:38:20 :( the box (run by a friend) which had hosted my blog died. That explains why it's offline :( Sep 27 18:38:30 :( Sep 27 18:38:35 got backups? Sep 27 18:38:56 It was mostly restored Sep 27 18:39:08 thats good Sep 27 18:39:13 Bur the web server itself isn't up Sep 27 18:39:36 :( Sep 27 18:40:21 s/r/t/ Sep 27 18:40:21 timeless_pidgin meant: But the web server itself isn't up Sep 27 18:48:03 DocScrutinizer i got gree light, is it safe to turn it on now? Sep 27 18:48:11 sure Sep 27 18:49:09 this is an absurd, skreemr.com doesn't got any mp3 indexed for "heads down stay down" !! Sep 27 18:49:23 bq27200.sh script will show you a nice Cycle Count since Learning: 0 Total Cycle Sep 27 18:54:27 where do i find that? Sep 27 18:57:57 nvm Sep 27 18:58:31 hm, wait, thaty wasn't it Sep 27 19:03:43 googling for that isn't helping Sep 27 19:09:26 running that command Speed suggested, ith near full charge now, it's about 3983 Sep 27 19:09:56 lshal|grep battery.voltage.current Sep 27 19:10:41 SpeedEvil: doing the draining battery thing didn't seem to have changed anything... Sep 27 19:12:58 oh, it was jacekowski that suggested draining Sep 27 19:17:02 DocScrutinizer is the script you mentioned there this http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management#Powerscript ? Sep 27 19:17:21 not exactly Sep 27 19:17:45 where do i find that bq script you mentioned? Sep 27 19:18:07 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar Sep 27 19:18:48 lol, that lhal command now is reporting a 4007 instead of 3983 Sep 27 19:19:02 thanx Sep 27 19:31:35 indeed the count is zero Sep 27 19:32:10 would that charge.sh in that same address also be of my interest? Sep 27 19:34:13 re Sep 27 19:35:10 ~re Sep 27 19:35:11 i guess re is religious education Sep 27 19:35:16 <.< Sep 27 19:39:02 sivang? Sep 27 19:44:42 TiagoTiago_: hehe Sep 27 19:45:22 "I'm so happy cause today I managed to mak USB networking work!.." (sung in Nirvana's SLTS tune) Sep 27 19:45:50 yay! Sep 27 19:46:07 so stupid wok network had the range which is default to setup offered in the wiki , MADDE or anything mentioned about it for that matter. Sep 27 19:46:18 I am now using 10.100.10.x and it works like a harm Sep 27 19:46:22 err, charm Sep 27 19:46:36 lol Sep 27 19:46:40 (laptop is unplugged and is mostly idle so keystrokes are missed) Sep 27 19:46:55 but you know what? sb runs surprisingly well on it Sep 27 19:47:18 now we can rock on, not to install sshfs/nfs to rsync for full backup Sep 27 19:47:33 actually better save it on the uSD Sep 27 19:50:41 *now Sep 27 19:55:22 what I don't get it is, once I added my DNS server ip address to the device, it can access the whole wide world. Is ipv4_forward = 1 by default in recent Ubuntus? Sep 27 19:57:16 no Sep 27 19:57:52 not unless you install something like ipmasq Sep 27 19:59:37 mgedmin: doesn't seem to have it, why does forwarding works then? Sep 27 20:00:24 mgedmin: packages reach the device back without problem, only thing I needed to do was add my DNS in /etc/resolv.conf Sep 27 20:00:31 something must have turned it on Sep 27 20:00:33 I should say, packets Sep 27 20:00:43 * sivang checks Sep 27 20:03:39 btw, for those with whom I discussed the unsupported wifi chip through 9.04 that rumors has it is now in 10.04's kernel is rtl819xSE Sep 27 20:07:34 ah no more echo > .../ipv4 something, only sysctl? Sep 27 20:08:01 both work Sep 27 20:08:07 sysctl is a bit nicer perhaps Sep 27 20:08:18 no jumping through hoops if you need to use sudo Sep 27 20:09:09 right, so judging by sysctl v4 forwarding is not enabled Sep 27 20:09:17 I mean, by the sysctl.conf file Sep 27 20:09:45 DocScrutinizer5 Sep 27 20:09:57 hey h4waii Sep 27 20:10:15 Hi. Sep 27 20:10:50 how odd Sep 27 20:11:46 sysctl reports that it is turned off, maybe network manager has some in built forwarding it does on its own?? Sep 27 20:11:58 * sivang hates it when things work and he does not know why Sep 27 20:12:03 I am still looking for the config that controls the Phone app rotation. Sep 27 20:12:15 I prefert them to break otherwise :) Sep 27 20:12:32 network manager has an option for internet sharing, but afaiu it turns on that sysctl and spawns dnsmasq as a dns/dhcp server Sep 27 20:13:30 mgedmin: dnsmasq is intsalled, but not running Sep 27 20:15:22 h4waii: you want to stop it form rotating? Sep 27 20:15:37 I want to know where the config file is. Sep 27 20:15:57 gconf? Sep 27 20:16:01 No. Sep 27 20:16:10 There is a static text conf Sep 27 20:16:20 It's in a dothidden directory. Sep 27 20:16:23 h4waii: I see, maybe retcomm something ? Sep 27 20:18:38 there are two packages, phonet, and phonet-at Sep 27 20:18:46 * sivang tries to poke at them Sep 27 20:18:49 ... Sep 27 20:19:00 That has nothing to do with what I'm looking for. Sep 27 20:19:46 umm Sep 27 20:19:53 sec Sep 27 20:20:24 /home/user/.osso/call-ui.ini Sep 27 20:20:31 FFS. Thank you. Sep 27 20:20:36 :) Sep 27 20:21:37 heh Sep 27 20:23:30 well, i'm heading off, cya Sep 27 20:28:12 MohammadAG: interestingly, [sudo] password for sivan: Sep 27 20:28:13 net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0 Sep 27 20:28:40 MohammadAG: oops, I meant: lsof | grep rtcom | grep ui does not cover the settings file, when is it accessed? Sep 27 20:28:59 sivang - what are you talking about? Sep 27 20:29:33 h4waii: trynig to find what files the call ui proram access Sep 27 20:29:42 For what purposes? Sep 27 20:29:44 only that Sep 27 20:30:01 MohammadAG: ? Sep 27 20:30:16 the settings file is accessed at the startup of the phone app Sep 27 20:30:28 killall -9 rtcom-call-ui Sep 27 20:30:42 that will reboot your phone Sep 27 20:30:53 no Sep 27 20:30:56 MohammadAG: ah I see Sep 27 20:31:00 Has renice been ported? Sep 27 20:31:09 it will just kill the phone app Sep 27 20:31:12 so maybe watch -n1 would help here Sep 27 20:31:18 and dsme will restart it Sep 27 20:31:50 and after you kill it 3rd time dsme will reboot phone Sep 27 20:32:14 not sure about that Sep 27 20:32:22 but kiling it once doesn't reboot the phone Sep 27 20:32:23 jacekowski: what's dsme? Sep 27 20:32:23 killing Sep 27 20:32:57 sivang: some useless daemon in Maemo Sep 27 20:32:59 oh damn right, the app is there idling until it's is called Sep 27 20:33:08 ~dsme Sep 27 20:33:12 it doesn't actually do nything *useful* that I know of :p Sep 27 20:33:19 ~dsme is Device State Managment Entity Sep 27 20:33:19 jacekowski: okay Sep 27 20:33:24 i hope i spelled it right Sep 27 20:33:49 yes, that's what the deb pkg desc says Sep 27 20:34:02 but "Is it alive??" (tm) Sep 27 20:34:11 or waht does it do? Sep 27 20:34:24 it's dealing with watchdogs Sep 27 20:34:33 and keeping important apps alive Sep 27 20:34:44 like the phone app? Sep 27 20:35:00 yeah Sep 27 20:35:02 and xorg Sep 27 20:35:04 and bme Sep 27 20:35:10 watchdogs are central to embedded development, we have one in PlugPC Sep 27 20:35:11 and pa Sep 27 20:35:22 we have loads of them in maemo Sep 27 20:35:39 jacekowski: is pa important app? :-p Sep 27 20:35:52 yeah, sound would die without it Sep 27 20:35:59 yeah I Know Sep 27 20:36:06 bad joke Sep 27 20:36:08 so unless you replace it it's important Sep 27 20:36:26 I tried reading the other day about its routing paradigm Sep 27 20:36:59 it is one hell of complicate piece of software, at least according to docs about it. (never looked at the sources) Sep 27 20:37:53 I guess the watchdog is fairly good, given I'v never seen my phone drop to a terminal Sep 27 20:37:57 it's complicated solution to simple problem Sep 27 20:38:31 that mandriva guy has a fairly nice and drilling address at it Sep 27 20:39:10 he also has ideas for improvement, especially with the stream restoration Sep 27 20:40:24 hmm, ufw is also disabled so no idea why forwarding works Sep 27 20:41:13 ~dsme is actually Device State Management Entity Sep 27 20:41:14 ...but dsme is already something else... Sep 27 20:41:25 that's why I'm correcting you idiot Sep 27 20:41:37 ~dsme is Device State Management Entity Sep 27 20:41:37 ...but dsme is already something else... Sep 27 20:41:47 * MohammadAG facesmacks Sep 27 20:41:58 ~forget dsme Sep 27 20:41:58 MohammadAG: i forgot dsme Sep 27 20:42:02 ~dsme is Device State Management Entity Sep 27 20:42:02 MohammadAG: okay Sep 27 20:43:23 * sivang wonders what happens on the phone if Xorg is killed Sep 27 20:43:38 jacekowski: what other watchdogs do we have in the platform? Sep 27 20:44:16 read trm and stuff Sep 27 20:44:27 IIRC it reboots Sep 27 20:44:28 there is hardware wd in case dsme dies Sep 27 20:45:03 That bugger that restarts the device after 30s Sep 27 20:45:17 heh Sep 27 20:46:21 jacekowski: high precision timers? Sep 27 20:47:05 how can I upload into the SDK repos ? Sep 27 20:48:41 ipv6 forwarding is also disabled Sep 27 20:48:44 hrm Sep 27 20:55:51 I'm trying to upload a library to extras, where do I upload the -dev package ? Sep 27 20:57:00 umm Sep 27 20:57:13 whenever I unlock the screen my N900 reboots Sep 27 20:57:38 jacktheripper, extras Sep 27 20:58:20 MohammadAG, development is supposed to be done on the SDK right ? Sep 27 20:58:32 yes Sep 27 20:59:12 well, is the extras repo available for the sdk ? Sep 27 20:59:21 yes Sep 27 20:59:27 ah Sep 27 21:04:34 moin Sep 27 21:05:12 hey nox- Sep 27 21:05:43 nox-: mayeb you have an idea why forwardin works for my USB netowrk when I did not set it to '1' in the host PC? Sep 27 21:05:49 and moins, btw Sep 27 21:06:01 hey there Sep 27 21:06:17 when i try to boot up meego with bootmenu Sep 27 21:06:23 the screen goes black Sep 27 21:06:31 but with flasher it is possible Sep 27 21:06:39 did the bootmenu code changed? Sep 27 21:07:25 its a n900 btw Sep 27 21:08:47 sivang, you mean like ip forwarding? does the device get an ip in your host's subnet? Sep 27 21:11:01 nox-: no Sep 27 21:11:32 no to first or second q? :) Sep 27 21:11:36 or to Sep 27 21:11:49 nox-: 10.100.10.x's while my host subnet is 192.168.1.x, once I put the DNS server into /etc/resolv.conf, (192.168.1.1) the device has access to outside world as if it is using NAT/ip_forwarding Sep 27 21:12:00 nox-: :) Sep 27 21:12:04 are you sure it's not connected with something else too? Sep 27 21:12:23 hm sounds as if the host is doing nat or even something like slirp... Sep 27 21:12:28 kerio: hrm Sep 27 21:12:36 * sivang palmfaces Sep 27 21:13:04 kerio: damn thing connected to the wifi as well ! Sep 27 21:13:08 heh Sep 27 21:13:09 hahahaha i knew it Sep 27 21:13:13 is there a way to dualboot meego? Sep 27 21:13:22 haha Sep 27 21:13:37 Pillum: not in a safe way, the preferred way is to boot through a USB host with the image on a mSD Sep 27 21:13:49 Pillum: this will be worked on though Sep 27 21:13:56 nox-: yes :) Sep 27 21:13:59 ok, thx sivang Sep 27 21:14:22 Pillum: np :) Sep 27 21:15:30 kerio: thanks for helping me sort that out, the phone is darkened so I did not see the wifi connection on :) Sep 27 21:17:09 when in doubt , the simple explenations usually holds. Sep 27 21:18:43 occam ftw Sep 27 21:19:50 didn't know that's how it is called, but interesting read on wp nonetheless Sep 27 21:21:50 or who's named this rule Sep 27 21:25:55 occam's razor? well known Sep 27 21:26:46 think I even had to learn about it n school, physics lessons Sep 27 21:28:24 nobody taught me that and I studied a few semseters in Math and CS in uni Sep 27 21:28:39 in economics probably it is well taught Sep 27 21:29:27 it is well known, tho i dont remember if i learned it at school... Sep 27 21:33:12 I'm getting this "checking for X... no Sep 27 21:33:12 checking for XLIB... no Sep 27 21:33:13 configure: error: "no (requires X development libraries)" Sep 27 21:33:13 make: *** [config.status] Error 1 Sep 27 21:33:13 dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2 Sep 27 21:33:13 " when I try to upload my library package, there's no X in that environment !? Sep 27 21:33:20 Sorry for the flood Sep 27 21:35:31 did anybody every experience the fonts getting enlarged suddenly with no apparent reason, or under high multitasking load? Sep 27 21:35:36 for example, in modest Sep 27 21:35:44 maybe this is localized to modest only, duonno Sep 27 21:41:28 guys, I'm sure someone has an answer to this, some help, please ? Sep 27 21:48:35 jacktheripper, i never uploaded any package but could this be just a missing dep? Sep 27 21:56:52 nox-: I think he means the buildd, e.g. the server that rebuilds the package from source if it is like ubuntu where you never upload binary package Sep 27 21:57:03 nox-: in debian, you used to I think Sep 27 21:57:19 yeah but he'll have to specify the deps nevertheless (right?) Sep 27 21:57:28 sivang: if he's missing the deps, the server won't necessarily provide them Sep 27 21:57:31 build deps that is Sep 27 21:57:40 that was the case five minutes ago, but even after adding libx11-dev to the deps, it still doesn't build. Sep 27 21:57:54 I think I figured it out anyway Sep 27 21:57:57 an ideal build farm would actually use a libc wrapper to pretend files not depended on don't exist ;) Sep 27 22:01:01 luke-jr__: right Sep 27 22:01:22 luke-jr__: and right :) Sep 27 22:07:45 jacktheripper: what was it? Sep 27 22:08:37 sivang: I'm not yet sure I solved it, but my -dev package didn't have the deps (though I did do a rebuild after changing debian/controls). After another rebuild, it has it. Uploading now. Sep 27 22:15:59 jacktheripper: i'll hold fingers for you Sep 27 22:16:03 jacktheripper: do you dupload ? Sep 27 22:16:37 sivang: no, the web wizard. Sep 27 22:17:08 jacktheripper: ah, don't know what's that- I used dupload when I worked on Ubuntu Sep 27 22:17:10 sivang: just got it now, same message.. Sep 27 22:17:14 bah Sep 27 22:17:49 jacktheripper: and it builds on your sb? Sep 27 22:18:00 I'm not specifying header packages for the binary package, could that be the problem ? Sep 27 22:18:03 sivang: yep Sep 27 22:18:25 jacktheripper: no, you don't need headers for running the binary Sep 27 22:18:40 jacktheripper: just a way for pkgconfig to return a sane asnwer when configure queries it Sep 27 22:19:01 not sure what's going on there, wanna send me the source and I will try to build it on my sb? Sep 27 22:19:05 jacktheripper: ^ Sep 27 22:19:09 sivang: I know, that's why I didn't add it. But I lost all the possible errors. Sep 27 22:19:18 oh shit, stuxnet - now it's becoming really nasty Sep 27 22:19:40 sivang: actually I'll try the tar.gz that gets built :) Sep 27 22:20:43 * sivang wondres if there's a way to apt-get build-dep $pkg where $pkg is your created pkg and not in the repo Sep 27 22:22:07 jacktheripper: make sure subtvars et al not changing your control files for the build-deps Sep 27 22:22:20 btw guys, I was actually talking about the orig.tar.gz I send the server. That doesn't have any 'deps' does it ? Sep 27 22:22:38 jacktheripper: that would be the prestine source no? Sep 27 22:22:43 jacktheripper: e.g. without debian cruft Sep 27 22:22:55 sivang: yes. But the server uses it to build the debian package. Sep 27 22:23:07 sivang: and of course it didn't reach that stage yet. Sep 27 22:23:17 sivang: it's failing at the ./configure stage Sep 27 22:23:22 jacktheripper: how does it know about build-deps then? Sep 27 22:23:53 sivang: no idea, it's actually my first time getting into packaging :/ Sep 27 22:24:48 jacktheripper: ah okay, where's the web interface can you toss me the link? Sep 27 22:25:10 https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php Sep 27 22:25:26 but I send files before that, I'll check the deps there Sep 27 22:26:06 .dsc doesn't say any deps other than debhelper and autotools-dev, while they're there in debian/control. Sep 27 22:26:29 jacktheripper: that do you have else then orig.tar.gz ? Sep 27 22:27:10 yes. The interface needs a .changes, a .dsc and a .diff.gz too Sep 27 22:27:33 jacktheripper: and does the .changes file represents the diff to the previous package version's control file? Sep 27 22:27:44 jacktheripper: for example, the added build-deps Sep 27 22:28:01 jacktheripper: ah, it is in the diff actually Sep 27 22:28:12 jacktheripper: never mind, forget what I said - no idea though, sorry Sep 27 22:28:28 np. There's no previous package anyway. Sep 27 22:28:44 I just got the source off some site, and I'm trying to package it Sep 27 22:29:30 I'd try the dput way just to test, as I found here: http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html#how-to-prepare-and-upload-source-packages-for-build Sep 27 22:32:31 I found that dpkg-source, which is called somewhere, doesn't take the control file I supply as input. And it generates the .dsc without it. Sep 27 22:32:44 I could either hack the .dsc, or do it the right way. Sep 27 22:32:53 I choose the right way :D Sep 27 22:33:40 jacktheripper: good Sep 27 22:35:47 hi? Sep 27 22:36:12 jacktheripper: what control file does it take? how do you supply it? Sep 27 22:37:25 sivang: no idea, that's why doing the right way is usually hard. Sep 27 22:39:11 i can not get install libpcre3 from maemo extras devel, because it is not shown up there and in the xterminal with sudo gainroot.....apt-get install libpcre3 it says ist could be in a another repository CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP ME i am on NOKIA N900 Sep 27 22:41:35 jacktheripper: it says in the man page that if a relative path is givne, it will add he root of the source tree to the path Sep 27 22:41:50 jacktheripper: http://man.he.net/man1/dpkg-source search for -ccontorlfile Sep 27 22:42:04 I saw that Sep 27 22:42:08 jacktheripper: you can try specify the control file through that and see what happens Sep 27 22:42:12 problem is, I don't know where dpkg-source is called Sep 27 22:42:25 in debhelper I mean Sep 27 22:42:55 can you help me please after your problem? Sep 27 22:43:46 i can not get install libpcre3 from maemo extras devel, because it is not shown up there and in the xterminal with sudo gainroot.....apt-get install libpcre3 it says ist could be in a another repository, i am on NOKIA N900 Sep 27 22:44:11 what can i do Sep 27 22:46:10 jacktheripper: you can pass this option to dpkg-buildpackage and it will communicate it down to dpkg-source IIRC Sep 27 22:46:27 sivang: oh. thanks. Sep 27 22:46:35 jacktheripper: anwyay, I'm bugging instead of helping, should get to sleep already. Good Luck! Sep 27 22:46:52 and good night Sep 27 22:46:56 good night :) Sep 27 22:47:01 hey are you ignoring me Sep 27 22:47:10 Handyspacko: add the repo mentioned here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=821492 Sep 27 22:47:22 Handyspacko: and there's no 'ignoring' on IRC. Sep 27 22:47:38 mhh thx i am looking on it Sep 27 22:50:47 ok whhhhaaat? i dont get it Sep 27 22:50:55 what i have to do? Sep 27 22:51:09 Handyspacko: did you add repositories before ? Sep 27 22:51:14 yes Sep 27 22:51:21 devel and testing Sep 27 22:51:32 in program manger Sep 27 22:51:51 do that Sep 27 22:52:13 except, when specifying configuration, add the info mentioned in the second post of that link Sep 27 22:52:22 i want to instal kismet but it says i have to install missing package libpcre3 Sep 27 22:53:29 i searched the net and everyone says libpcre is in maemo devel an i have add the repo but nothing shown up there Sep 27 22:54:42 in terminal i have apt-get update and apt-get install libpcre3 and apt-get install -f libpcre3 but nothing Sep 27 22:55:59 Handyspacko: yes, add the repo in that link. It's in it. Sep 27 22:56:26 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps this one??? Sep 27 22:56:46 sorry i am german Sep 27 22:57:11 Handyspacko: yes, and no problem. Sep 27 22:57:30 i try Sep 27 22:57:40 please be paciend Sep 27 22:57:44 sure. Sep 27 23:02:03 ok i have add it but did not shown up there in program manager Sep 27 23:02:40 libpcre3 ? Sep 27 23:02:48 apt-get install libpcre3 Sep 27 23:03:11 yes this file Sep 27 23:03:18 i try in console Sep 27 23:03:20 yes Sep 27 23:06:01 Handyspacko, worked ? Sep 27 23:06:14 failed to fetch https;// downloads........ Sep 27 23:06:27 what's the error ? Sep 27 23:07:19 ok i type sudo gainroot then apt-get install libpcre3 ... Sep 27 23:07:22 then Sep 27 23:07:52 i say yes Sep 27 23:08:42 just say the failed to fetch error, is it 404 ? Sep 27 23:08:50 and then err https://downoads.maemo........ could not resolve hoast Sep 27 23:08:57 mhhh Sep 27 23:09:19 no error number Sep 27 23:10:02 could you say the full link ? Sep 27 23:10:10 https://downloads.maemo then ? Sep 27 23:10:12 unable to fetch some arichves mabye run apt-get update i have do it but nothing Sep 27 23:10:28 yes please i am slow Sep 27 23:10:36 no problem Sep 27 23:12:28 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ .libpcre3_6.7-1osso1+r1_armel.deb Sep 27 23:12:44 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/.libpcre3_6.7-1osso1+r1_armel.deb Sep 27 23:14:02 i download it manually and i will instal it with dkpg i try Sep 27 23:14:16 it says Access Denied Sep 27 23:14:21 there is a problem with the repository Sep 27 23:15:00 yes but why it shows up in programm manger the ohter programms? Sep 27 23:16:03 ok i try give me please 2 minuts Sep 27 23:18:09 yes it worked i have found the file here http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/libpcre3/6.7-1osso1+r1/ Sep 27 23:18:13 thx Sep 27 23:18:46 you helped me how to find the right deb file i whanted Sep 27 23:19:03 love irc extremmmm thx Sep 27 23:19:49 where do you come from? Sep 27 23:20:31 this problem has used maybe 9 hours Sep 27 23:22:48 Handyspacko: egypt :D Sep 27 23:23:03 cool salam a leykum^^ Sep 27 23:23:25 haha Sep 27 23:24:06 glad to help. Sep 27 23:24:11 wow germany sucks it is so cold and all the germans are working or are so stubborn^^ Sep 27 23:24:12 I'm leaving, good night #maemo Sep 27 23:24:35 Handyspacko: xD Sep 27 23:24:35 ok thankyou very much good night Sep 27 23:24:40 welcome Sep 27 23:29:16 i probably know what's the problem Sep 27 23:29:16 and error message in that problem states how to fix it Sep 28 00:30:25 9 Sep 28 00:30:56 8 Sep 28 00:31:49 7 Sep 28 00:33:19 3 Sep 28 00:33:46 2 Sep 28 00:33:53 fail Sep 28 00:33:58 -1 Sep 28 00:42:20 wooh! i almost have netbsd booting on my N900 :) Sep 28 00:42:49 just need to figure out how to resolve the undefined instruction errors Sep 28 00:44:59 … Sep 28 00:47:14 displays boot information for about 10 seconds, and then dies with an "undefined instruction in kernel" error Sep 28 00:47:29 so it partially works Sep 28 00:57:51 b-man`, why netbsd? Sep 28 00:58:10 for an experiment Sep 28 00:58:44 :) Sep 28 00:58:49 undefined instruction... maybe wrong compiler flags? Sep 28 01:00:39 it's using a toolchain straight from the source tree Sep 28 01:00:42 hmm Sep 28 01:14:47 shouldn't 'SIGILL' cause a kernel oops or panic that would yield some pointer on where in source to search for the illegal instruction? Sep 28 01:16:02 true maybe he can put a kernel debugger in (that would be ddb on freebsd...) Sep 28 01:16:19 no kernel debuggers on arm :-/ Sep 28 01:16:30 oh Sep 28 01:16:50 I'd be more than pleased to stand corrected Sep 28 01:17:41 would be mad useful for hostmode :-D Sep 28 01:17:51 hm freebsd /sys/conf/files.arm does have some optional ddb entries... Sep 28 01:18:02 * DocScrutinizer starts hating printk() Sep 28 01:18:46 oh btw isnt there a qemu fork now that emulates n900? that should have a gdbstub too... Sep 28 01:19:15 (which ofc is more useful than ddb :) Sep 28 01:20:26 * nox- remembers using that when debugging qemu's zaurus emu some time ago... Sep 28 01:20:46 qemu-system-arm -s ... Sep 28 01:20:52 Hello Sep 28 01:20:57 (gdb) target remote 127.1:1234 Sep 28 01:23:07 i managed to get my n810 to talk to the PC via the USB port, now i can enable/disable "r&d mode" etc .... but how can i make it boot with an initrd as root filesystem? Sep 28 01:23:33 (without modifying the contents of the partitions on the n810) Sep 28 01:24:19 oh, and where would one find such initrd images? (and newest OS version etc...) Sep 28 01:24:24 Does Vanilla flashing re-write the kernel to original state? Sep 28 01:24:48 removing Host Mode, NITdroid and other hacks? Sep 28 01:25:23 um, i dont think that's the kernel, it would be config files on the root partition Sep 28 01:26:35 what would be practical is a way to "flash out" (extract) an image of the root fs FROM the device Sep 28 01:27:01 then mount it locally (on the pc) with -o loop Sep 28 01:29:54 hmmm Sep 28 01:31:19 me sees a lot of jvm_fault_* errors before the undefined instruction in kernel" errors Sep 28 01:31:53 gah, typefail :P Sep 28 01:32:21 s/jvm/vm/ ? Sep 28 01:32:48 jvm_fault_ Sep 28 01:33:01 * b-man` needs to disable watchdogs to read them Sep 28 01:33:16 otherwise it shuts down before i can lol Sep 28 01:34:21 or could you use the n900 qemu too? Sep 28 01:36:25 yeah Sep 28 01:36:50 gah, screen is scrolling too fast :P Sep 28 01:37:04 hmm Sep 28 01:50:26 hm http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/search?v=NETBSD&string=jvm_fault returns empty quickly and http://fxr.watson.org/fxr/search?v=NETBSD&string=vm_fault seems to find only(?) uvm_fault stuff... Sep 28 01:51:27 wuhh?? if the battery is empty (or there's no battery) you can't even plug the n810 on a usb port? Sep 28 01:51:54 does it charge the battery while it's rebooting and rebooting if its plugged into a charger? Sep 28 01:53:01 oh, and why can't you use the charger while connecting to USB port? that would suck if the battery is empty Sep 28 01:54:08 nox-: just took another look, seems to actually be uvm_fault Sep 28 01:54:16 ah :) Sep 28 01:55:11 so there might be a problem with the virtual memory system Sep 28 01:55:18 perhaps a bad address? Sep 28 01:55:49 maybe... Sep 28 01:56:25 of course white screen with brightness to MAXIMUM.... does this use up the battery when plugged via USB? Sep 28 01:56:35 i guess you want either the serial console or the n900 qemu (as long as the error happens there too...) Sep 28 01:57:11 delt, i dont know about n810, can it charge via usb too? Sep 28 01:57:13 delt: no Sep 28 01:57:35 ah ok.... but it DOES require the battery to be present to turn it on...>? Sep 28 01:57:40 oh - don't know about the 810 Sep 28 01:57:49 As far as I'm aware - yes - it requires a battery Sep 28 01:57:58 nox: i think it does (charge via usb) Sep 28 01:57:59 thats also what i think Sep 28 01:58:11 delt, ah ok then you should be fine Sep 28 01:58:44 iirc it says on the box, 2sec Sep 28 02:02:00 hmm, seems like you can't charge over usb :( :( Sep 28 02:02:15 oh Sep 28 02:02:54 and the usb connector is to near to the charging one for both to be plugged in at the same time? Sep 28 02:02:59 too near Sep 28 02:03:44 on the 810? no, there's a good 3 cm distance between Sep 28 02:04:15 oh, and why can't you use the charger while connecting to USB port? that would suck if the battery is empty Sep 28 02:04:50 am just wondering why the docs say to NOT use the charger while flashing the rootfs Sep 28 02:05:09 ooh while flashing... Sep 28 02:05:36 i guess thats `special' then :) Sep 28 02:06:19 so, i guess the device's hardware does charge the battery by default, when it's rebooting constantly? Sep 28 02:06:36 if not, then nokia's engineers need to be shot. Sep 28 02:07:18 Need to be shot anyhow. Sep 28 02:07:25 :P Sep 28 02:07:27 i think its more that charging needs at least `some' kernelsupport which is impossible during flashing Sep 28 02:07:42 s/suppport/ support/ Sep 28 02:08:29 nox-, more like, when not doing an emergency charge it needs BME (meaning, a working userspace) Sep 28 02:08:42 ok Sep 28 02:08:53 i just checked, plugged to USB, and blue USB logo showing up in the upper right... take out battery (which is the only way to turn it off) ... shuts off Sep 28 02:09:23 delt, yes, you didn't expect it to continue to work without the battery did you? Sep 28 02:09:39 Termana: there's a +5V pin on the usb port, yes or no? Sep 28 02:10:06 delt, I don't know specifics, but I know that doesn't work (from previous work that's been displayed here) Sep 28 02:10:45 Search t.m.o for DocScrutinizer's post on changing batteries while the device is still on Sep 28 02:11:17 well, i assumed (wrongly) that if some tablets can charge the battery through a usb port, then this one can at least run using power from it Sep 28 02:11:34 It adds cost. Sep 28 02:11:39 :/ Sep 28 02:12:56 ok... so i have the charger, usb cable, and the battery, but (let's say) the battery is dead. My n810 won't do anything but reboot constantly unless it's plugged on the USB port (and that needs a battery) ....what do i do? Sep 28 02:13:03 it doesn't work Sep 28 02:13:34 get a new batrtrery Sep 28 02:13:49 modem takes too much (worst case), usb connectors can't take that much current Sep 28 02:13:59 so for all i know the battery might be at 1% - and if i start flashing, this might brick the device permanently. Sep 28 02:14:02 did i see some random hack for some device involving jump leads Sep 28 02:14:50 delt, charge first? or is that also broken? Sep 28 02:14:55 nox: how? Sep 28 02:15:17 what are jump leds? Sep 28 02:15:22 that's why i asked 22:06 < delt> so, i guess the device's hardware does charge the battery by default, when it's rebooting constantly? Sep 28 02:15:24 leads Sep 28 02:15:28 not leds :) Sep 28 02:15:39 cables soldered on the pcb? Sep 28 02:16:00 thats what i understand it as Sep 28 02:16:30 delt, hold on a second. Are you talking about an n810 or an n900? Sep 28 02:16:38 Not that it really makes much difference either way Sep 28 02:16:47 basically none of NITs charges without proper userland working Sep 28 02:16:47 n810. anyway, i turn on the tablet. it does nothing but reboot (doesnt even show the blue progress bar at the bottom) Sep 28 02:17:20 how does this `emergency chage' work? Sep 28 02:17:28 could that help him? Sep 28 02:17:41 nox-, there is no emergency charge on the n810 Sep 28 02:17:45 ooh Sep 28 02:17:46 I thought he was talking about an n900 Sep 28 02:18:02 Termana: but N810 can boot w/o battery Sep 28 02:18:06 just before rebooting, the brightness goes lower (i presume to what i set it to) and there's a 2cm x 1cm black rectangle on the LOWER LEFT and UPPER RIGHT corners for about 2 seconds. Sep 28 02:18:08 and then run BME Sep 28 02:19:18 luke-jr__, yeah, except he's userspace is screwed (or at least I think so), so he can't run BME Sep 28 02:19:22 yes, it works with a charger, but for some reason the docs say i can't use the charger when flashing the n810 Sep 28 02:20:40 DocScrutinizer51: NIT == Nokia Internet Tablet? Sep 28 02:20:54 Termana: so flash whiel on AC power? Sep 28 02:20:55 (just a wild guess) Sep 28 02:21:10 delt, yes, 770, N800, N810 and N900 Sep 28 02:21:12 luke-jr__: [ ... ] but for some reason the docs say i can't use the charger when flashing the n810 Sep 28 02:21:32 delt, have you tried to do it, forgetting what the docs say? Sep 28 02:21:37 delt: then build a charger kernel Sep 28 02:21:50 Termana: not yet, no Sep 28 02:21:53 luke-jr__: wuh?? Sep 28 02:22:08 a kernel that runs on the ac/dc adapter.... not following Sep 28 02:22:11 delt: if you try Termana's idea, just be sure to NOT include NOLO in your flashin Sep 28 02:22:30 delt: a self-encapsulated kernel+initramfs with BME on it to charge Sep 28 02:22:30 OH yeah that makes sense (being the boot loader) Sep 28 02:22:46 flasher can then boot that kernel w/o flashing Sep 28 02:22:46 BME == ? Sep 28 02:22:55 BME is the blob that charges the battery Sep 28 02:22:59 ah ok Sep 28 02:23:09 so how do i do that without a minisd card? Sep 28 02:23:14 .. Sep 28 02:23:19 with flasher Sep 28 02:23:24 MiniSD wouldn't even be useful here Sep 28 02:23:31 and preferably without replacing the current content of the tablet? Sep 28 02:23:37 with flasher Sep 28 02:23:44 see -l option Sep 28 02:23:48 (lowercase L) Sep 28 02:23:51 flasher can load things as well as flash them Sep 28 02:23:56 -l, --load Only load all supplied images Sep 28 02:24:12 yeah, as in, into RAM Sep 28 02:24:14 oh so thats a bit like pxe? Sep 28 02:24:15 The whole BME situation is a pain in the arse. I hope Nokia sees the light of day and forgets all about BME for future linux based devices. Sep 28 02:24:22 nox-: except PXE is network Sep 28 02:24:23 wait a minute... load as in, EXTRACT FROM the device? Sep 28 02:24:28 Termana: LOL Sep 28 02:24:30 yeah, usb instead of notwork Sep 28 02:24:43 Termana: Nokia's already come out and basically said they're going to pressure other MeeGo vendors to close their charging stuff too Sep 28 02:24:45 :/ Sep 28 02:24:56 uh :( Sep 28 02:24:56 :| Sep 28 02:25:01 delt: no, load the kernel file to RAM, for booting Sep 28 02:25:14 oh, on the tablet's ram Sep 28 02:25:16 Termana: see the BME bug Sep 28 02:25:26 Nokia, I am disappoint Sep 28 02:25:54 luke-jr__, whats the point of having closed charging stuff? Sep 28 02:26:05 nox-: besides pissing people off? no clue :D Sep 28 02:26:11 some kind of mumbling about people blowing up their battery Sep 28 02:26:17 oh :( Sep 28 02:26:23 johnx: which is unfounded Sep 28 02:26:30 then some kind of mumbling about it costing money to open source Sep 28 02:26:38 you're more likely to blow up your battery without code/docs, than with it Sep 28 02:26:49 could be some kind of 3rd party intellectual property for all we know Sep 28 02:27:05 luke-jr__: so i suppose it would be possible "flasher -l" an initrd/initramfs that will let me tar up the whole contents of the n810, then i can erase them from the n810 Sep 28 02:27:17 johnx, well, you know if they actually did charging properly, it wouldn't interfere with userspace and it would be fine. Sep 28 02:27:19 delt: it only loads kernels. kernels can contain initramfs inside Sep 28 02:27:21 johnx, i charging _that_ difficult? :) Sep 28 02:27:24 ah ok Sep 28 02:27:27 nox-: no Sep 28 02:27:32 s/i/is/ Sep 28 02:27:32 nox- meant: johnx, is charging _that_ difficult? :) Sep 28 02:27:41 Termana, yup. I remember the Zaurus as well :) Sep 28 02:28:00 luke-jr__: ah. so, where could i find such a "rescue" kernel image? Sep 28 02:28:10 Termana: actually, I like the idea of having the charger on the CPU somewhere :P Sep 28 02:28:18 delt: afaik nobody has ever made it before. Sep 28 02:28:46 Termana: I'd prefer to tweak my device to lengthen the battery lifespan Sep 28 02:28:49 so i have to compile one. which involves a cross-compiler for ARM (at least) Sep 28 02:28:59 Termana: supposedly if you let it discharge more, before topping off, it lasts longer Sep 28 02:29:07 delt: or a native one, sure Sep 28 02:29:25 native one running on what? Sep 28 02:29:49 Termana: so it'd be cool to tell my handheld what time I need to leave home, and have it plan its overnight charging routine to hit 100% right at that time Sep 28 02:29:55 delt: another ARM system Sep 28 02:30:02 which i dont have :( Sep 28 02:30:11 oh well Sep 28 02:30:11 delt, google had this to say: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Sep 28 02:30:18 johnx: that's N900 Sep 28 02:30:23 ah, crap Sep 28 02:30:25 yeah Sep 28 02:30:36 but might still be useful info on there Sep 28 02:30:43 johnx: tell dr.google "wrong patient" n810 here Sep 28 02:30:49 luke-jr__, sounds good. But I personally just like to have it out of the way. Weather that be code hidden in the bootloader/radio code or hardware based. More reliable, and doesn't give you this crap. Sep 28 02:30:52 the theory is probably sound at least Sep 28 02:30:54 sorry delt Sep 28 02:31:45 why does he need a new kernel vs just a modified initrd? Sep 28 02:31:52 johnx: 22:28 < luke-jr__> delt: afaik nobody has ever made it before. Sep 28 02:32:04 i assume he was talking about a rescue-kernel image? Sep 28 02:32:17 luke-jr__: citation needed. Nokia can't 'press other meego device manufs' Sep 28 02:32:29 I mean, sure you could change the kernel, but modifying the initrd is easier Sep 28 02:32:34 johnx, possibly to build in the initramfs (into the kernel) Sep 28 02:32:35 and it's what we did to boot Mer from SD Sep 28 02:32:52 you're just trying to get a rescue shell, right delt? Sep 28 02:33:14 johnx: that would be useful, if USB is supported Sep 28 02:33:23 Termana: you're right about bme = PITA, but don't think an open solution would solve bootstrap problems Sep 28 02:33:42 delt, it is of course Sep 28 02:33:57 im just trying to salvage the contents of the tablet before i flash it Sep 28 02:34:18 great. let's see if I can find a ready-made initrd Sep 28 02:34:22 otherwise you'll have to make one Sep 28 02:34:57 AND make sure the battery has enough power to perform such flash operation OR know if i can use a charger contrary to what the documentation says Sep 28 02:35:02 if he just flashes kernel/rootfs wouldnt the user data still be alive? or is that only possible on n900? Sep 28 02:35:31 even on the N900, you would lose parts of $HOME Sep 28 02:35:37 hm ok Sep 28 02:36:04 delt, you know how init works, right? if not i'll give the long explanation, but ... Sep 28 02:36:18 johnx: init on normal unix systems? yeah Sep 28 02:36:23 as in PID 1? Sep 28 02:37:20 ie. with most linux boot loaders you can override the default /bin/init with kernel boot argument init=/whatever/else ...? am i thinking about the right "init" ? Sep 28 02:37:29 yeah Sep 28 02:37:34 right, so init is in initrd. to change which initrd gets mounted we could change the kernel image Sep 28 02:37:38 DocScrutinizer51, Nah I didn't think an open solution would - like I said, Nokia should have had the foresight to do what other manufactures are doing - weather they are hiding the code in radio/bootloader or charging completely in hardware. Sep 28 02:38:07 uhuh Sep 28 02:38:09 but that's a pain (cause we'd have to rebuild it). so in this case we substitute a modified initrd, and run a rescue shell from it Sep 28 02:38:36 ok, following so far, especially "that's a pain (cause we'd have to rebuild it)." Sep 28 02:38:41 heh Sep 28 02:39:04 right, so BME and DSME (device state monitor(?) entity) run out of initrd, so we're all good there Sep 28 02:39:21 so all we really need to do is shoehorn a small telnetd into place and we're good Sep 28 02:39:53 initrd being initRAMDISK, right? ie. filesystem loaded in RAM and not physicall on disk (or flash mem) Sep 28 02:39:56 Termana: I know about other devices with similar problems, but you're right NOLO could have a 'hold C for bat chrg' opton Sep 28 02:40:13 delt, well, it's loaded from a flash partition Sep 28 02:40:28 but it's not written back to flash Sep 28 02:40:41 or at least not unless we 'flash' it back Sep 28 02:40:50 Termana: but then a proper rescue system would've been even nicer Sep 28 02:40:53 why from a flash partition? Sep 28 02:41:07 cause it's easy Sep 28 02:41:26 and how do i write it to a flash partition with the device in this state Sep 28 02:41:26 ? Sep 28 02:41:26 no need to have a filesystem driver, just "load n bytes from m offset" Sep 28 02:41:34 you use flasher to write it :) Sep 28 02:41:45 you tell flasher "just replace my initrd" Sep 28 02:41:56 and overwrite the partition's allocation table? Sep 28 02:41:57 but we're getting ahead of ourselves Sep 28 02:42:09 just overwrite the contents of that flash partition Sep 28 02:42:27 anyways, that's the easy part Sep 28 02:42:34 first we need to make you a rescue initrd by hand Sep 28 02:43:24 so in 2-3 years, no one has EVER encountered a problem like this, and no one has EVER made a "minimal" kernel with a initrd that just lets you boot, charge, use usb, ....? Sep 28 02:43:26 DocScrutinizer51: Maemo bug 9314 comment 12 (Quim Gil), suggesting that more vendors should close "charging systems"; contrast with the present situation where every vendor except Nokia that uses Linux for charging has an open charging system Sep 28 02:43:27 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314 Relicense BME Sep 28 02:43:53 no room for an initramfs in the kernel partition and can't redistribute the initrd because of BME :) Sep 28 02:44:10 johnx: BME is redistributable non-commerically Sep 28 02:44:25 johnx: and flasher can presumably load kernels up to 128 MB :p Sep 28 02:44:26 kernel partition is NOT the / partition right? Sep 28 02:44:37 delt, correct Sep 28 02:44:42 luke-jr, dunno then Sep 28 02:44:47 ie. on PC, when you use lilo you're not writing to a filesystem Sep 28 02:45:06 so the normal way to go is to 'create' a custom initrd on the device itself with automated scripts that pull the initrd out of that device, modify it (add telnetd, bootmenu) and write it back, all on a running device Sep 28 02:45:19 you're reading your kernel image FROM a filesystem and writing it to the first blocks of your hdd (or partition) Sep 28 02:45:45 uh wait a minute " Sep 28 02:45:54 delt, actually, with LILO, aren't you just writing a list of kernels to the boot sector? Sep 28 02:46:01 uh wait a minute "pull the initrd out of that device" how do you do that? Sep 28 02:46:18 on a running device? mount it read-only and cp -a Sep 28 02:46:34 "pull a copy of it" Sep 28 02:46:49 ok, so constantly rebooting doesn't count as "running" device i suppose? Sep 28 02:47:01 can you execute arbitrary code on it? Sep 28 02:47:25 well, the bootup code seems to behave pretty arbitrarily to me Sep 28 02:47:32 :/ Sep 28 02:47:39 *rim shot* Sep 28 02:48:29 anyways, it doesn't boot even with watchdog disabled, right? Sep 28 02:48:42 haven't tried that Sep 28 02:48:47 please try that Sep 28 02:49:00 how do i disable watchdog timer? Sep 28 02:49:19 "rd mode" then a specific flag i think i read the other day? Sep 28 02:49:24 http://carloseducesa.blogspot.com/2009/09/retu-watchdog-turning-off-n810.html Sep 28 02:50:05 oh yeah, i saw that page yesterday... doesnt he say NOT to try that? Sep 28 02:50:29 huh Sep 28 02:50:37 hasn't been my experience on an N800 Sep 28 02:50:45 maybe it's a different command Sep 28 02:50:50 So, avoid to try to disable the watchdog on retu, or your N810 will be turned off by its watchdog :) Sep 28 02:51:04 delt: … LILO is very obsolete :p Sep 28 02:51:06 that's uhm, contrary to what I've experienced Sep 28 02:51:08 ok, plugging back the tablet to usb, enabling rd mode... Sep 28 02:51:31 luke-jr__: wgaff, it works Sep 28 02:51:35 besides, so is my brain Sep 28 02:52:43 ah Sep 28 02:52:45 right Sep 28 02:52:49 'no-lifeguard-reset' Sep 28 02:53:02 ok, so, flasher --enable-rd-mode now thsi little "control panel" thing appeared under the blue nokia logo Sep 28 02:53:26 yeah Sep 28 02:53:29 --set-rd-flags right? Sep 28 02:53:34 hang on Sep 28 02:53:37 finding the right command Sep 28 02:54:02 so you already ran 'enable-rd-mode' right? Sep 28 02:54:06 now: flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset -R Sep 28 02:55:07 ah, now i get kernel output in green on top of the nokia startup screen Sep 28 02:55:46 luke-jr__: meh, have read that before, idn't make me cheer and dance. But honestly, Nokia is acting stupid here, bme is acting stupid, and the differentiation argument is stupid Sep 28 02:55:47 kernel 2.6.21-omap1, initfs 2008-43, nolo 1.1.16 Sep 28 02:56:52 luke-jr__: but I haven't read anything about Nokia pressing other manufs to do anything. They simply can't Sep 28 02:57:04 stays stuck there (BUT i can turn it off with the power switch) Sep 28 02:57:35 delt, did you see if plugging it into a computer gets you access to the internal card? Sep 28 02:58:00 ie. it should show up as a mass storage usb device? Sep 28 02:58:26 yep. sdb appears Sep 28 02:58:43 with one partition sdb1 Sep 28 02:58:54 well, some of your stuff is there :) Sep 28 02:59:01 aight! Sep 28 02:59:05 uhm, what all did you want off of it? Sep 28 02:59:47 oh, can i now fdsik this piece of shit WINDOWZ partition into an ext2/3 ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 28 02:59:57 2010