**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 01 02:59:58 2010
Oct 01 03:00:04 <delt> (i designed the schism tracker logo!!)
Oct 01 03:00:11 <delt> like 5 years ago
Oct 01 03:00:47 <delt> and fixed a few bugs / added a few features+enhancements in schism, when i had a few braincells left
Oct 01 03:02:32 <SpeedEvil> newbie007: have you swirtched it to NTSC/PAL/...
Oct 01 03:02:32 <delt> anyway, when i first got this tablet, that was one of the first programs i was wondering "will schismtracker run on that?"
Oct 01 03:03:22 <delt> s/when/before/
Oct 01 03:03:23 <infobot> delt meant: anyway, before i first got this tablet, that was one of the first programs i was wondering "will schismtracker run on that?"
Oct 01 03:03:44 <delt> s/got/bought/
Oct 01 03:03:45 <infobot> delt meant: anyway, when i first bought this tablet, that was one of the first programs i was wondering "will schismtracker run on that?"
Oct 01 03:03:52 <delt> s/bought/was offered to buy/
Oct 01 03:03:56 <newbie007> SpeedEvil: never thought of it,, I don't think either device has it though.. ?
Oct 01 03:03:56 <delt> ok ok....
Oct 01 03:04:13 <SpeedEvil> newbie007: you can switch the video standard onn900
Oct 01 03:04:24 <SpeedEvil> newbie007: umm.... settings -> tv out I think
Oct 01 03:04:26 <newbie007> ah ok,, good idea.. settings.. probally
Oct 01 03:05:10 <delt> but seriously, with a foldable bluetooth keyboard, that would really be kickass =)
Oct 01 03:05:25 <newbie007> SpeedEvil: I went to pal, but same outcome
Oct 01 03:06:25 <newbie007> SpeedEvil: if I hook it to the tv, it just works.. I think it might be the cable.. It's a male headphone jack - smaller male headphone jack
Oct 01 03:10:03 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Oct 01 03:13:54 <newbie007> SpeedEvil: I did a av audio cables connection between the two devices and it works!
Oct 01 03:15:52 <SpeedEvil> :)
Oct 01 03:15:57 <newbie007> if anyone cares: the quality of the projector (pico100) is less than I had thought, but works well, I can switch between pal/ntsc
Oct 01 03:20:26 <GAN900> "Don't respond to goddamn screen taps."
Oct 01 03:20:32 <GAN900> is a good OS feature
Oct 01 03:21:06 <GAN900> The more technology I use the more I loathe it.
Oct 01 03:22:26 <SpeedEvil> newbie007: the resolution is something like 250 pixels horizontally
Oct 01 03:22:30 <SpeedEvil> Of the otuput
Oct 01 03:25:09 <raster> GAN900: software used to be simple and reliable. then users wanted features. thats where it all fell apart. :)
Oct 01 03:40:33 <newbie007> 640x480. barley usable, but it works
Oct 01 03:42:57 <SpeedEvil> It's not 640 pixels
Oct 01 03:43:18 <SpeedEvil> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52794
Oct 01 03:51:48 <raster> SpeedEvil: i think u got rows and columns mised up
Oct 01 03:51:49 <raster> :)
Oct 01 03:52:07 <SpeedEvil> raster: nope
Oct 01 03:52:09 <raster> u flip between them
Oct 01 03:52:20 <raster> There are simply not 800 columns displayed on any TV standard, by most sensible measures.
Oct 01 03:52:32 <raster> then instantly u go into the 480 rows of ntsc
Oct 01 03:52:32 <raster> :)
Oct 01 03:52:53 <raster> the rest makes sense
Oct 01 03:53:04 <SpeedEvil> Seperate topics
Oct 01 03:53:15 <SpeedEvil> 800 columns - from the 800 pixel resolution of the screen
Oct 01 03:53:21 <SpeedEvil> umm
Oct 01 03:53:24 <SpeedEvil> Or is it 820
Oct 01 03:53:32 * SpeedEvil forgets
Oct 01 03:53:39 <raster> of the n900?
Oct 01 03:53:48 <SpeedEvil> yes
Oct 01 03:53:54 <raster> 800x480
Oct 01 03:53:59 <raster> well u flip back and forth
Oct 01 03:54:07 <raster> columens, then rows, then back to horiuzontal res
Oct 01 03:54:15 <raster> next paragraph
Oct 01 03:54:31 <SpeedEvil> I was responding to 'etting at least the same resolution as the internal screen would be great.'
Oct 01 03:54:36 <raster> the active picture is 52/64ths of the line
Oct 01 03:54:50 <raster> ie that means that the HORIOZNTAL visible region is 52/64ths of the line
Oct 01 03:55:19 <raster> u cant getanywhere near the internal screen indeed
Oct 01 03:55:26 <raster> composite is hoirrid
Oct 01 03:55:38 <raster> i think u;'ll be lucky to get 400x240 out of it
Oct 01 03:55:45 <SpeedEvil> I don't see the problem you're having with the text
Oct 01 03:56:13 <raster> oh wait
Oct 01 03:56:15 <raster> never mind
Oct 01 03:56:17 <raster> i see
Oct 01 03:59:03 <SpeedEvil> It could probably be clearer - but meh
Oct 01 03:59:10 <raster> hmm
Oct 01 03:59:16 <raster> actuallyt your numebrs might be a little off
Oct 01 03:59:22 <raster> tho about right-ish
Oct 01 03:59:37 <raster> @ 4.5mhz for liminance
Oct 01 03:59:40 <SpeedEvil> I was shooting for order of magnitude
Oct 01 03:59:47 <raster> u have 29.96 frames per sec (interlaced frames)
Oct 01 03:59:58 <raster> and 480 lines (not all visible)
Oct 01 04:00:19 <raster> so thats more like 312
Oct 01 04:00:25 <raster> of which only part of the line is visible
Oct 01 04:00:28 <raster> etc. etc.
Oct 01 04:00:43 <raster> but order of magnitude you're right :)
Oct 01 04:00:48 <raster> tv out is crap
Oct 01 04:00:51 <raster> anyway
Oct 01 04:01:47 <SpeedEvil> 480 lines of picture information, some of which may be lost to overscan
Oct 01 04:01:52 <raster> yup
Oct 01 04:02:10 <raster> <raster> and 480 lines (not all visible)
Oct 01 04:02:15 <raster> (the not all visible bit)
Oct 01 04:04:34 <SpeedEvil> And anyway, I divided by the line frequency
Oct 01 04:08:27 <SpeedEvil> http://www.analog.com/en/analog-to-digital-converters/ad-converters/ad7195/products/product.html
Oct 01 04:08:30 <SpeedEvil> argh
Oct 01 04:10:15 <raster> bah
Oct 01 04:10:16 <raster> analog
Oct 01 04:34:40 <newbie007> is there any way to display a blender image or html5 on the n900 ?
Oct 01 04:35:02 <SpeedEvil> Someone got blender up and running
Oct 01 04:35:28 <newbie007> really I'd just want a player.. I'll googalge it
Oct 01 05:38:14 <h4xordood> heya :)
Oct 01 05:38:30 <h4xordood> can some one tell how to change theme from xterminal
Oct 01 05:38:47 <h4xordood> my theme button in system settings not workin
Oct 01 05:39:00 <h4xordood> when i click themes it shows nothin
Oct 01 06:00:47 <slonopotamus> and now, after a year of porting gentoo on my n800 and compiling kde for it, i can finally feel the full glory of being able to play KTron on it!
Oct 01 06:01:00 <Stskeeps> it took a year to compile kde?
Oct 01 06:01:01 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 01 06:02:15 <newbie007> how can I get the source for Desktop Clock Widget v0.4 ?
Oct 01 06:02:50 <slonopotamus> no, i tried gnome before that :)
Oct 01 06:04:32 <merlin1991> newbie007: apt-get source desktop-clock-widget 0.4
Oct 01 06:05:08 <merlin1991> newbie007: or http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras_free_source/desktop-clock-widget/0.4/
Oct 01 06:05:18 <newbie007> merlin1991: thanks, what ah perfect
Oct 01 06:05:45 <newbie007> I'm currently running  a rpm based os
Oct 01 06:08:09 <slonopotamus_> oh noes
Oct 01 06:08:16 <slonopotamus_> it doesn't go UP
Oct 01 06:08:51 <slonopotamus_> looks like world domination failed.
Oct 01 06:27:30 <skyscraper> hi
Oct 01 06:28:05 <skyscraper> is it possible to configure n900 to only connect to sip-number "xy" only when its connected to wlan "abc"
Oct 01 06:28:06 <skyscraper> ?
Oct 01 06:34:33 <mveplus> hello guys
Oct 01 06:38:04 <flailingmonkey> sounds like that guy with the pico projector "discovered" how Nokia went with a non-standard AV/headphone jack
Oct 01 06:54:47 <flailingmonkey> so, did usb host-mode and jrbme on N900 get stuck?
Oct 01 06:54:58 <flailingmonkey> in their development
Oct 01 07:03:04 <slonopotamus_> flailingmonkey: afaik, usb host-mode has separate channel, can't remember its name though
Oct 01 07:03:38 <flailingmonkey> hmm, interesting
Oct 01 07:03:52 <flailingmonkey> probably could search the irc logs for it
Oct 01 07:04:24 <flailingmonkey> s/probably/I/
Oct 01 07:04:24 <infobot> flailingmonkey meant: I could search the irc logs for it
Oct 01 07:04:34 <T-Co> usb host-mode in N900? Say what?
Oct 01 07:04:44 <psycho_oreos> its in alpha state
Oct 01 07:04:52 <mveplus> yes
Oct 01 07:04:57 <T-Co> Awesome
Oct 01 07:05:24 <slonopotamus_> flailingmonkey: #maemo-hostmode-discussion
Oct 01 07:05:26 <flailingmonkey> when fremantle goes to community SSU, I expect that will help it to be deployed
Oct 01 07:05:43 <flailingmonkey> slonopotamus_: thanks
Oct 01 07:05:52 <Koll> hi all
Oct 01 07:06:25 <mveplus> thanks slonopotamus_
Oct 01 07:06:28 <Koll> Here you can chat about different topics?
Oct 01 07:06:36 <slonopotamus_> flailingmonkey: also, this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52227&page=22
Oct 01 07:06:49 <slonopotamus_> Koll: except nitdroid
Oct 01 07:07:04 <psycho_oreos> Koll, as long as its related to maemo
Oct 01 07:08:18 <Koll> what is nitdroid? i am russian
Oct 01 07:08:29 <slonopotamus_> :D
Oct 01 07:08:32 <Koll> i bad know english
Oct 01 07:08:51 <slonopotamus_> Koll: android port for nokia tablets
Oct 01 07:09:07 <flailingmonkey> slonopotamus_ beat me to it
Oct 01 07:09:28 <slonopotamus_> flailingmonkey: uh?
Oct 01 07:09:53 <slonopotamus_> Koll: whatever, ask your question :)
Oct 01 07:11:27 <Koll> Here you can talk about American life? Parties, get-togethers, entertainment?
Oct 01 07:11:44 <Stskeeps> only bacon
Oct 01 07:12:18 <Koll> bacon??
Oct 01 07:12:32 <johnx> american life = bacon
Oct 01 07:12:52 <Koll> why?
Oct 01 07:12:58 <johnx> parties? only kind of party that's worth talking about is a bacon party
Oct 01 07:14:26 <Koll> oh...
Oct 01 07:15:40 <Koll> and for films like American Pie. These parties do not?
Oct 01 07:17:00 <Koll> hey
Oct 01 07:17:12 <Koll> are you sleeping
Oct 01 07:17:14 <Koll> ?
Oct 01 07:18:09 <psycho_oreos> I really don't think here would be a nice place to talk about American life :) not all of us comes from stateside (US)
Oct 01 07:18:24 <kerio> BACON!!!!!!!
Oct 01 07:18:35 <johnx> kerio, see. you understand me at least ...
Oct 01 07:19:08 <T-Co> Yanks. pfft
Oct 01 07:19:34 <johnx> T-Co, at least we can agree on bacon
Oct 01 07:19:35 <kerio> i'm actually italian ._.
Oct 01 07:19:48 <johnx> <- yank :)
Oct 01 07:19:50 <T-Co> johnx, Word
Oct 01 07:19:52 <delt> mOOOzzarella!
Oct 01 07:19:59 <T-Co> I'm Finnish
Oct 01 07:20:07 <ieatlint> nah, we don't agree on bacon in my experience
Oct 01 07:20:18 <delt> i eatta riggatOOOOni with you tonIIIght!
Oct 01 07:20:28 <johnx> O_o;
Oct 01 07:20:29 <ieatlint> europe tends to prefer a thicker cut than is at all popular or common here in the states
Oct 01 07:20:53 <delt> "a fish called wanda" hilarious movie :D
Oct 01 07:21:11 <T-Co> I just bought 0.5cm slices of bacon for my Coq au Chainti I'm planning to make today
Oct 01 07:21:24 <T-Co> *Chianti
Oct 01 07:21:24 <delt> coq au quoi???
Oct 01 07:21:33 <delt> uh... *quoi?
Oct 01 07:21:49 <T-Co> Coq au vin but made in Chianti so Coq au Chianti
Oct 01 07:21:50 <CWhiteham> C'est quoi un coq au chianti?
Oct 01 07:22:06 <delt> en plein ce que j'allais demander
Oct 01 07:22:22 <Koll> are you smoke weeds?
Oct 01 07:22:28 <ieatlint> yeah, 5mm bacon is much thicker than you find here
Oct 01 07:22:31 <T-Co> delt, :)
Oct 01 07:22:36 <ieatlint> we're typically probably 2mm or so
Oct 01 07:23:08 <xkr47> lol
Oct 01 07:23:10 <delt> i remember "coq ou poule" from when i was a kid (those plants that grow in grass)
Oct 01 07:23:27 <Koll> you eat bacon?
Oct 01 07:24:03 <delt> me? generally yes, but not right now. i am eating Pretzel und Bier.
Oct 01 07:24:23 <Koll> )))
Oct 01 07:24:44 <Koll> and smoke canabis ?
Oct 01 07:24:52 <delt> Bacon nicnt enthalten.
Oct 01 07:25:09 <delt> nope... never touched that shit in my life, and dont intend to
Oct 01 07:25:23 <crashanddie> delt, isn't poule ou coq a game?
Oct 01 07:25:34 <delt> s/dont intend to/wouldnt be a good idea/
Oct 01 07:25:36 <infobot> delt meant: nope... never touched that shit in my life, and wouldnt be a good idea
Oct 01 07:25:45 <delt> medications and all
Oct 01 07:26:33 <delt> crashanddie: yeah, a stupid 5 year old thing.... you had to guess if it was "coq" (rooster) or "poule" (uh..female chicken == hen?)
Oct 01 07:26:40 <mece> MohammadAG51, ping
Oct 01 07:26:47 <T-Co> I once od'd and never touched since. First and last time :)
Oct 01 07:26:49 <Koll> is the prevention of cancer. And flies)
Oct 01 07:27:26 <delt> drugs is the prevention of cancer, and flies??
Oct 01 07:27:44 <delt> <--- not following
Oct 01 07:28:43 <Koll> dependance has not
Oct 01 07:29:07 <CWhiteham> wir sall but probably doir sasn't havir sa thir sa faintir sast cluir sa what is going on.
Oct 01 07:29:11 <CWhiteham> s/ir sa/e/g
Oct 01 07:29:11 <infobot> CWhiteham meant: well but probably doesn't have the faintest clue what is going on.
Oct 01 07:29:25 <delt> heh
Oct 01 07:30:08 <delt> i was thinknig about coming with some completely obfuscated gibberish, which once through s/a/b/ or something, said "go fuck yourself" or something
Oct 01 07:30:25 <delt> (i may have just invented a new artform :D )
Oct 01 07:31:12 <pupnik_> review stoner ideas later, when sober
Oct 01 07:31:26 <Koll> delt i bad understand you
Oct 01 07:31:55 <delt> oooh, so the bot can take several -e arguments, just no "-e"
Oct 01 07:32:01 <delt> now about that sa/e/g..??
Oct 01 07:33:04 <Koll> i not understanding
Oct 01 07:33:06 <delt> koll which part?
Oct 01 07:33:28 <Koll>  i was thinknig about coming with some completely obfuscated gibberish, which once through s/a/b/ or something, said "go fuck yourself" or something
Oct 01 07:33:57 <Koll> you were stoned to?
Oct 01 07:34:38 <delt> hxlly mzthxfzckxr -> hello motherfucker (s/x/e/ s/y/o/ and so on)
Oct 01 07:35:07 <delt> so the "art form" i "invented" consists of:
Oct 01 07:35:10 <delt> type a bunch of junk
Oct 01 07:35:15 <delt> then s/ a bunch of junk
Oct 01 07:35:26 <flailingmonkey> why would #maemo have any topics other than the BEEESSSTTT mobile phone os commercially released
Oct 01 07:35:35 <delt> and the bot says <user> meant: <something clever/obscene/amusing/etc...>
Oct 01 07:36:15 <flailingmonkey> infobot always understands me. she's my best friend
Oct 01 07:36:53 <mece> flailingmonkey, well fonearena haven't officially announced the winner yet, if that's what you're referring to.
Oct 01 07:37:10 <delt> how do you define and/or determine the gender of an irc bot?
Oct 01 07:37:27 <FauxFaux> Stick it in it, and see if you're gay afterwards.
Oct 01 07:37:47 <delt> oh, good one... this woman comes home, and finds her husband with a fly swatter.
Oct 01 07:38:06 <delt> He says "Hey honey, i just killed 5 flies! 2 males and 3 females"
Oct 01 07:38:22 <delt> so she asks "how do you tell the males from the females???"
Oct 01 07:38:41 <delt> "easy: 2 were on the beer cans, and 3 were on the phone :D "
Oct 01 07:39:01 <flailingmonkey> lool
Oct 01 07:39:21 <Koll> lol)
Oct 01 07:40:08 <delt> not as "true story" as the "dont call your brother a SOB in front of your mom" but kind of amusing none the less -)
Oct 01 07:41:48 <Koll> bye
Oct 01 07:42:11 <delt> in french it's even worse "fils de pute" means son of a hooker/prostitute/whore/whatever
Oct 01 07:42:17 <delt> nite koll
Oct 01 07:42:56 <delt> or good morning in your case? (i probably should have "nite"d a number of hours ago)
Oct 01 07:43:38 <mece> LOL
Oct 01 07:43:42 <mece> good one delt :)
Oct 01 07:44:10 <delt> uh what? -)
Oct 01 07:45:07 <delt> oh yeah, about backing up the jffs2 partition on the n810 ... hahaha dunno wtf i was thinking :D :D
Oct 01 07:50:22 <delt> well, /usr/src/<project_of_some_importance> and /tmp/src/<any_other_junk_i_need_slash_want_to_install> have worked great for the last 15 years, using the root account only to install....
Oct 01 07:51:03 <delt> so whoever said /usr/ HAS TO be mounted read-only.... do you have mount points in /usr/src and /usr/local ...?
Oct 01 07:51:45 <delt> not to mention 5 or 6 hdd's partitioned for each directory from /
Oct 01 07:57:31 <johnx> delt, /tmp commonly gets erased during boot on a lot of distros, just FYI :)
Oct 01 07:59:53 <delt> johnx: yeah like maemo heheh.....
Oct 01 07:59:55 <skyscraper> i'm having a problem installing an app - getting: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255
Oct 01 08:00:15 <johnx> skyscraper, probably other errors. pastebin the whole output if you can
Oct 01 08:00:27 <delt> personally i just think of /tmp as a part of my filesystem i should cleanup myself, sort out what i want to keep and rm -rf the rest
Oct 01 08:00:35 <skyscraper> johnx its the nitdroid installer O:-)
Oct 01 08:01:12 <johnx> skyscraper, ok
Oct 01 08:01:35 <skyscraper> Setting up nitdroid-installer (0.2.6-3) ... dpkg: error processing nitdroid-installer (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255
Oct 01 08:02:20 <johnx> is that actually the whole output from when you typed the command until you're back at a prompt?
Oct 01 08:02:35 <johnx> if it's too long, use pastebin
Oct 01 08:02:41 <skyscraper> not 100%
Oct 01 08:02:57 <johnx> uhm, other than that, look at the content of the script it's talking about and try and understand why it would exit 255
Oct 01 08:03:51 <skyscraper> wait
Oct 01 08:04:11 <skyscraper> Nokia-N900-42-11:~# apt-get install nitdroid-installer Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree        Reading state information... Done nitdroid-installer is already the newest version. The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:   python-crypto libtpsession telepathy-salut pidgin-facebookchat libqt4-maemo5-dbus liblongcat1 libqt4-maemo5-gui libqtm-messaging   python-telepathy acc
Oct 01 08:04:17 <johnx> ~pastebin
Oct 01 08:04:18 <infobot> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.
Oct 01 08:05:05 <delt> ~maemo
Oct 01 08:05:06 <infobot> i heard maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml
Oct 01 08:05:13 <skyscraper> http://pastebin.com/wQx5DBq0
Oct 01 08:05:33 <delt> ~women
Oct 01 08:05:33 <infobot> women are not boys! :P
Oct 01 08:05:47 <delt> ~men
Oct 01 08:05:47 <infobot> Men are dumb! Thank goodness I'm just a bunch of bits on the interweb!
Oct 01 08:05:59 <delt> ~interweb
Oct 01 08:06:24 <delt> ~infobot
Oct 01 08:06:25 <infobot> somebody said infobot was better than wowbot
Oct 01 08:06:25 <Myrtti> are you done soon?
Oct 01 08:06:46 <delt> soon as sometime in the recent/immediate past, yes (and sry :D )
Oct 01 08:07:14 <johnx> delt, if you want to have long conversations with infobot you can actually send a PM I believe
Oct 01 08:07:37 <johnx> skyscraper, look at the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/nitdroid-installer.postinst or some similarly named file
Oct 01 08:07:46 <johnx> then try and find where it says to exit 255
Oct 01 08:08:10 <delt> heh =)
Oct 01 08:08:26 <delt> ~johnx infobot -> marital_status
Oct 01 08:08:33 <skyscraper> Nokia-N900-42-11:/var/lib/dpkg/info# cat nitdroid-installer.postinst  #!/bin/sh  update-sudoers Nokia-N900-42-11:/var/lib/dpkg/info#
Oct 01 08:09:26 <delt> oh, "jk" here would be kind of .... um, over-sarcastic
Oct 01 08:09:46 <skyscraper> fixed it - renamed the nitdroid-installer.postinst
Oct 01 08:10:14 <johnx> skyscraper, just FYI, you may or may not just have made your N900 unbootable
Oct 01 08:10:22 <johnx> google about 'update-sudoers' a bit
Oct 01 08:10:40 <skyscraper> why?
Oct 01 08:11:03 <johnx> why? cause I googled and people were having booting problems and talking about update-sudoers in the same post
Oct 01 08:11:10 <skyscraper> argh
Oct 01 08:11:19 <johnx> so you should read up and make sure it's not a problem before you reboot
Oct 01 08:11:27 <johnx> 5 minutes of reading now will save you time later
Oct 01 08:11:41 <skyscraper> i've done "update-sudoers" manually in shell
Oct 01 08:11:41 <johnx> entirely possible I'm wrong (likely even), but do your homework :)
Oct 01 08:11:43 <skyscraper> no error
Oct 01 08:12:04 <johnx> update-sudoers ; echo $?
Oct 01 08:12:08 <johnx> run that ^
Oct 01 08:12:18 <skyscraper> ok wait
Oct 01 08:12:24 <johnx> if it prints 0, you're good. if it prints 255 it means it's still failing
Oct 01 08:13:18 <skyscraper> Nokia-N900-42-11:/home/user# update-sudoers ; echo $? 255
Oct 01 08:13:38 <johnx> time to do a bit of googling before you reboot
Oct 01 08:14:06 <skyscraper> nitdroid wont install to
Oct 01 08:14:18 <skyscraper> Going to download the installation files. This will take a rather long time!  Downloading nitdroid.manifest ...done Downloading NitDroid-0.0.8-Popov.tar.bz2 ...FAILURE. Bailing out.
Oct 01 08:14:21 <skyscraper> afk a bit
Oct 01 08:14:25 <skyscraper> be back later
Oct 01 08:20:54 <delt> whoa... i need to sleep... be back in a few weeks :/
Oct 01 08:43:16 <skyscraper> re
Oct 01 08:44:12 <skyscraper> WTF
Oct 01 08:44:18 <skyscraper> my /etc/sudoers is very long
Oct 01 08:57:36 <skyscraper> having massive problems -.-
Oct 01 08:58:53 <Hoxzer> which one uses more power on n900 3/4 wlan or full bar 3G?
Oct 01 08:59:07 <Stskeeps> you mean low bar 3g
Oct 01 08:59:13 <skyscraper> when i have to reflash n900 is the /home/user/* folder deleted?
Oct 01 08:59:13 <Stskeeps> low bar == need stronger signal
Oct 01 08:59:33 <Hoxzer> Stskeeps: no, zI mean full bar
Oct 01 08:59:49 <Hoxzer> a.k.a high bar
Oct 01 09:00:42 <skyscraper> f*** i CANT remove kernel-module-cifs... it says its in a very inconsistent state
Oct 01 09:01:21 <psycho_oreos> you could probably try force remove
Oct 01 09:01:32 <skyscraper> it says it should reinstall it... but when i try he wants to replace but gets many errors
Oct 01 09:02:57 <skyscraper> anyone could help? http://pastebin.com/C3SZ8kHt
Oct 01 09:04:09 <pupnik_> http://learningwebgl.com/blog/?p=2303  WebGL on N900!
Oct 01 09:06:31 <psycho_oreos> skyscraper, which kernel version are you running (in full detail)
Oct 01 09:08:26 <skyscraper> psycho_oreos... i had stable kernel-power running... 10 minutes ago i used apt-get upgrade and updated kernel-power to extras-devel version.. so i think its kernel-power beta
Oct 01 09:09:20 <psycho_oreos> skyscraper, do uname -r and print out the output
Oct 01 09:10:28 <skyscraper> Nokia-N900-42-11:/home/user#  uname -r  2.6.28.10power37
Oct 01 09:10:36 <skyscraper> i doestn rebootet atm
Oct 01 09:11:32 <skyscraper> anyone said i should NOT restart when my update-sudoers fails with error code 255
Oct 01 09:11:38 <psycho_oreos> you'll most likely need to reboot, as the package manager was looking for the current kernel version that you are running (which is obviously non-existent because you did kernel upgrade
Oct 01 09:11:47 <skyscraper> Nokia-N900-42-11:/home/user# update-sudoers ; echo $? 255
Oct 01 09:11:57 <skyscraper> is this a problem?
Oct 01 09:12:24 <psycho_oreos> I don't know about that but I don't know why you updated the kernel without rebooting before installing a kernel modules
Oct 01 09:12:24 <skyscraper> Nokia-N900-42-11:/home/user# update-sudoers ; echo $?
Oct 01 09:12:31 <psycho_oreos> s/modules/module/
Oct 01 09:12:31 <infobot> psycho_oreos meant: I don't know about that but I don't know why you updated the kernel without rebooting before installing a kernel module
Oct 01 09:12:40 <skyscraper> hm
Oct 01 09:13:05 <skyscraper> should i use "sudo reboot" or shutdown and start it via power button?
Oct 01 09:13:54 <psycho_oreos> how relevant is the update-sudoers anyway?
Oct 01 09:14:09 <skyscraper> dont know
Oct 01 09:15:00 <psycho_oreos> or who said it or from where you read it/are following it?
Oct 01 09:15:28 <mece> anyone who understand things about qml+js present?
Oct 01 09:16:13 <skyscraper> psycho_oreos: johnx said it
Oct 01 09:16:24 <psycho_oreos> skyscraper, hmm
Oct 01 09:16:46 <psycho_oreos> did he also tell you to upgrade the kernel, or did you do that yourself?
Oct 01 09:17:17 <skyscraper> i did that because i hoped that "apt-get upgrade" will fix some probs
Oct 01 09:18:45 <psycho_oreos> well yeah in other words you've complicated the matter yourself lol
Oct 01 09:18:52 <skyscraper> -.-
Oct 01 09:20:12 <psycho_oreos> what you could do is either symlink that current kernel version with the installed kernel version for directory of kernel modules (or mount --bind) and then install the package.. double check to see if update-suoders thing exits with 0, if it still doesn't.. then reboot lol
Oct 01 09:21:59 <skyscraper> hmm
Oct 01 09:23:48 <psycho_oreos> I don't understand how update-sudoers work let alone relate to the situation on hand but johnx seems to be a reputable person so I'm going to assume the same thing as well, make sure that it exits with 0 by all means :)
Oct 01 09:34:01 <yacc> Wondering, does maemo support usbnet when connected via USB?
Oct 01 09:34:14 <yacc> Basically is there a way to tether through a N900 via USB?
Oct 01 09:34:45 <psycho_oreos> yes, usb ip networking?
Oct 01 09:35:27 <yacc> So I just need to "click" PC-Suite and do the ifconfigs on both sides?
Oct 01 09:35:44 <psycho_oreos> no its not that simple.. hang on there's a link
Oct 01 09:35:57 <psycho_oreos> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking
Oct 01 09:37:47 <skyscraper> yeah that with the symlink worked!
Oct 01 09:37:50 <skyscraper> installed ok
Oct 01 09:38:13 <skyscraper> but kernel-power-flasher crashes
Oct 01 09:38:38 <skyscraper> because of post-install "update-sudoers" (crashing with 255)
Oct 01 09:38:57 <Stskeeps> RST38h: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/miles-kington/high-court-hangups-747313.html
Oct 01 09:39:03 <mece> Check out this short film by Blender Foundation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ It's very impressive :)
Oct 01 09:39:15 <skyscraper> anyone could help with crashing "update-sudoers"?
Oct 01 09:40:31 <psycho_oreos> after install, you should remove the symlink
Oct 01 09:40:34 <yacc> Well, actually I want to do it the other way, does the N900 default kernel have iptables NAT available?
Oct 01 09:41:08 <skyscraper> ok
Oct 01 09:41:12 <psycho_oreos> I don't think N900 by default would have iptables but I could be wrong
Oct 01 09:42:18 <mece> Stskeeps, omgwtflol!
Oct 01 09:42:28 <skyscraper> should i restart or its possible to fix the problem with update-sudoers?
Oct 01 09:47:18 <ShadowJK> uusually you use n900 as usb 3g modem, not as usb ethernet device..
Oct 01 09:49:31 <mece> Stskeeps, it continues:.. http://www.ocnus.net/artman2/publish/Light_Side_14/The_Man_who_Stole_40_000_Coat_Hangers.shtml
Oct 01 09:49:38 <nandan> hello
Oct 01 09:49:41 <korhojoa> hello
Oct 01 09:49:49 <nandan> i want to flush n900
Oct 01 09:49:56 <nandan> how can i do it
Oct 01 09:49:57 <psycho_oreos> there are instances where you need n900 to function as usb ethernet device :p such as file transfers whilst maintaining shell/vnc access
Oct 01 09:49:59 <korhojoa> uhh.
Oct 01 09:50:15 <korhojoa> put it in the toilet bowl. push button/pull lever
Oct 01 09:50:25 <nandan> sorry flash
Oct 01 09:50:25 <korhojoa> i don't know why you want to do that though
Oct 01 09:50:26 <nandan> :)
Oct 01 09:50:30 <korhojoa> send it to me instead
Oct 01 09:50:41 <korhojoa> read the wiki
Oct 01 09:50:42 <nandan> i got some problem
Oct 01 09:50:46 <yacc> ShadowJK, you mean that I get an USB "serial device" that I can set AT commands to do connect?
Oct 01 09:50:47 <psycho_oreos> nandan, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware
Oct 01 09:50:52 <nandan> okk
Oct 01 09:50:54 <nandan> thanks
Oct 01 09:51:06 <psycho_oreos> nw
Oct 01 09:55:00 <psycho_oreos> any of you have bh-905? mine no longer powers up.. damn flaky nokia devices :|
Oct 01 09:56:52 <skyscraper> rebooted.... n900 bricked
Oct 01 09:57:16 <skyscraper> showing some crazy bootmanager restarting all the time and i cant select anything
Oct 01 09:57:52 <skyscraper> oh
Oct 01 09:58:06 <psycho_oreos> ahh fixed it, stupid thing
Oct 01 09:58:14 <skyscraper> when i press "1" without pressing anything before it boots original maemo kernel
Oct 01 09:58:18 <skyscraper> omap... not power
Oct 01 09:58:46 <skyscraper> yeah back in maemo now :D
Oct 01 09:58:56 <skyscraper> how to modify the bootmanager to boot the powerkernel?
Oct 01 09:59:27 <marmoute> skyscraper: with a bootmanager modifycation tools
Oct 01 09:59:40 <skyscraper> marmoute: can i download it with apt-get?
Oct 01 10:00:12 <skyscraper> uname -r says 2.6.28-omap1... thats original kernel istn it?
Oct 01 10:09:50 <majeru> hi, has anyone in here OC'ed a N900?
Oct 01 10:10:21 <secyritas> ye
Oct 01 10:10:30 <Stskeeps> majeru: would recommend against it
Oct 01 10:10:37 <majeru> :)
Oct 01 10:11:24 <majeru> mine is running at 900 MHz for a few minutes now, and seems stable
Oct 01 10:11:54 <majeru> i'm keeping it at max with an infinite loop
Oct 01 10:12:04 <Stskeeps> yeah, but your eMMC suffers and other parts
Oct 01 10:12:25 <majeru> the temperature is now 38C
Oct 01 10:12:29 <Stskeeps> people has been getting bad sectors on emmc = fucking bad
Oct 01 10:12:30 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 01 10:12:32 <DocScrutinizer2> ~tell majeru about omap-oc
Oct 01 10:12:40 <majeru> Stskeeps: ouch
Oct 01 10:12:49 <Stskeeps> so that's why i'm saying 'don't do it'
Oct 01 10:12:54 <majeru> thanks
Oct 01 10:13:01 <SpeedEvil> majeru: you cannot measure the core temperature
Oct 01 10:14:09 <majeru> ok, I quit then
Oct 01 10:14:35 <majeru> I didn't notice much improvement anyway
Oct 01 10:19:56 <ShadowJK> i'm surprised if it just appears as bad block
Oct 01 10:20:31 <ShadowJK> that'd be like the first flash device i'd ever seen that fails so benignly
Oct 01 10:21:07 <ShadowJK> usually they just lock up and require poweroff reset on a bad block condition ;p
Oct 01 10:22:13 <ShadowJK> yacc: yes
Oct 01 10:24:26 <yacc> ShadowJK: Only issue left is that phone starts to act as an comedian when used as an USB modem => I'm getting yellow band messages about the phone using more power than it gets from the host, and it recommends to use the power outlet charger instead. Wonder where Nokia has hidden that second USB port, if I know my luck it's under the battery and inaccessible ;)
Oct 01 10:24:47 <ShadowJK> hehe
Oct 01 10:25:08 <lcuk> yacc, if you have yellow messages visible, that means your screen is illuminated ;)
Oct 01 10:25:18 <ShadowJK> power use stays approximately balanced at +-0 with screen off for me
Oct 01 10:26:35 <yacc> lcuk, ah, I see, I shouldn't use the N900 to surf on top of being a modem, so I'll finish that and switch to the PC, and everything will be fine :)
Oct 01 10:28:20 <lcuk> yacc, I find I can do most things in any order even using usb
Oct 01 10:28:34 <lcuk> but I have my screen brightness quite far down (2nd notch)
Oct 01 10:29:45 <SpeedEvil> max notch to one down saves most power
Oct 01 10:29:54 <SpeedEvil> subsequent powersaving is really quite small.
Oct 01 10:30:06 <yacc> lcuk, well, the N900 seems to have a much nicer battery than my old G1. Even taking in account that the G1 batteries have been used 1-1.5 years already, leaving the G1 in UMTS mode overnight tended to have it drained, while the N900 showed only a tiny dip in the battery state, ...
Oct 01 10:30:15 <yacc> Wonder how well the N900 can detect the state of the battery.
Oct 01 10:30:35 <lcuk> yacc :) at different times and different uses thats happened to people too
Oct 01 10:31:04 <lcuk> its entirely possible to abuse the available capacity
Oct 01 10:31:11 <yacc> (the G1 battery setup was basically stupid, and based on Android & the kernel doing an educated guess based on usage how your battery is)
Oct 01 10:31:14 <lcuk> and it can detect charge quite well
Oct 01 10:31:23 <yacc> lcuk, it's not my first smartphone.
Oct 01 10:31:43 <lcuk> shhh, some here will tell you the n900 is not a smart phone
Oct 01 10:32:15 <yacc> lcuk, the most embarrassing thing had been always the E61 phones where me and my wife had exactly the same phone. Mine always drained in under a day, hers kept for a week, ...
Oct 01 10:32:30 <yacc> lcuk, oh, it's a smartphone as it should be, ..
Oct 01 10:32:32 <lcuk> :) me and tracy notice the same things with our n900s
Oct 01 10:32:46 <lcuk> tho hers is more an angrybirds phone
Oct 01 10:33:28 <yacc> lcuk, it's basically an ARM based Debian-derived laptop in a form factor that makes it useable as a mobile phone, ...
Oct 01 10:34:26 <lcuk> indeed :)
Oct 01 10:35:49 <lcuk> yacc so what do you use yours for then (apart from phone and internet :P)
Oct 01 10:36:42 <yacc> I wonder, how does one restore the thing after killing the OS on it? I know a former friend of mine managed to overfill the root partition, basically brick the device, and he mentioned that it's was trivial to unbrick, as he said, it seems to be almost completely safe even for crazy users, ...
Oct 01 10:37:27 <yacc> lcuk, well, IM, Email, Ebooks, browser, and when the situation warrents network accesspoint.
Oct 01 10:38:05 <lcuk> you can download lovingly created and fully tested images of the default OS and eMMC
Oct 01 10:38:12 <yacc> lcuk, the phone needs a data package for all the apps anyway, and I've never seen the joy of paying two data packages so that I have my phone and my USB modem working.
Oct 01 10:38:29 <yacc> lcuk, and how do I install them when the thing is bricked?
Oct 01 10:38:48 <pexi> i'm thinking of buying a real smart phone because of the calendar sync problems :)
Oct 01 10:38:49 <lcuk> you misuse the term bricked :)
Oct 01 10:39:16 <lcuk> the usb flashing part is very early in the boot sequence and practically impossible to break from the OS itself
Oct 01 10:39:28 <misc--> hi all, is it possible to send sms from the terminal?
Oct 01 10:39:36 <yacc> What tools do I need for that on the host, just to be safe for the future?
Oct 01 10:40:08 <yacc> lcuk, yeah, as I said, the comment of this guy was that his N900 was near unbrickable, and that's absolutely great for a device one wants to play with.
Oct 01 10:40:18 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
Oct 01 10:40:18 <infobot> [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Oct 01 10:41:14 <lcuk> misc--, its easy to do via python, I am not sure if there is a direct dbus call though
Oct 01 10:41:22 <lcuk> http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS
Oct 01 10:41:41 <misc--> lcuk: ahhh, ok thanks
Oct 01 10:42:47 <lcuk> yacc, lots of work done by a great many people in ensuring the device is as solid and reliable as possible :)
Oct 01 10:44:38 <yacc> lcuk, yeah, but it's the idea that counts. An G1 with HardSPL installed is quite hard to kill to, but stupid T-Mobile puts a castrated SPL on it by default, so you always that one moment where you need to replace the boot loader, where you brick your device easily, ...
Oct 01 10:46:46 <_|Nix|_> X-Fade: Hey! Can you please have a look at libhildon-extras_0.9.6? It's been building the x86 portion for a while. Is it stuck with the X server again? I've made some changes ...
Oct 01 10:47:32 <yacc> lcuk, Nokia OTOH has made it easy and relatively safe.
Oct 01 10:48:41 * lcuk nods :)
Oct 01 10:50:28 <yacc> Well, let's be truthful, the G1 was not a bad mobile, but the N900 is clearly superior to it (perhaps with the exception of the touch screen), ...
Oct 01 10:57:22 <mece> QtWRT is included in Qt4.7, right?
Oct 01 11:03:53 <mgedmin> DocScrutinizer2++ for the informative overclocking lecture
Oct 01 11:04:08 <mgedmin> does infobot count ++ when it's followed by more text?
Oct 01 11:06:56 * Arkenoi watched meego video. fascinating. how did they manage effectively reduce 800x600 screen to 4 lines of text, restoring famous nokia 3210 feel?
Oct 01 11:08:43 <harbaum> my wifes n900 just lost its usb recepticle :-(
Oct 01 11:09:42 <Hoxzer> :(((
Oct 01 11:09:56 <mgedmin> another one bites the dust :(
Oct 01 11:09:59 <Hoxzer> my n900 broke my 3rd party charger
Oct 01 11:10:05 <mgedmin> Arkenoi, which video?
Oct 01 11:10:10 <Hoxzer> the usb plug was too strong :(
Oct 01 11:10:28 <Arkenoi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S20k1mvL8 this one
Oct 01 11:10:45 <Stskeeps> malformed video id
Oct 01 11:11:05 <mgedmin> Arkenoi, "The URL contained a malformed video ID."
Oct 01 11:11:24 <mgedmin> harbaum, you know what to do, right? Nokia Care
Oct 01 11:11:41 <mgedmin> the weak USB socket is a design deficiency
Oct 01 11:11:53 <Hoxzer> imho it sucks that nokia will not replace those phones.
Oct 01 11:12:08 <Hoxzer> or some of the people had their phones replaced
Oct 01 11:12:27 <Hoxzer> just as mgedmin it is desing flaw
Oct 01 11:12:43 <Hoxzer> the charger should break not the n900
Oct 01 11:13:04 <harbaum> do they actually care? I don't want to send it in just to have them requireing weeks to fix it
Oct 01 11:15:27 <Arkenoi> oops , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S20k1mvL8d0
Oct 01 11:17:26 <mgedmin> harbaum, yesterday people on this channel talked about it
Oct 01 11:17:41 <mgedmin> "weeks to repair" was mentioned as someone's actual experience :(
Oct 01 11:18:02 <mgedmin> but it is covered by the warranty, as far as I understand
Oct 01 11:19:38 <mgedmin> http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2010/08/29/the-n900-microusb-defect-and-your-chance-to-do-something/
Oct 01 11:20:17 <harbaum> The Nokia site just ack'ed that it's still under waranty
Oct 01 11:20:28 <mgedmin> http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-Devices/Nokia-responds-to-reports-about-the-N900-micro-usb-port-getting/td-p/629019/highlight/false
Oct 01 11:20:37 <_|Nix|_> *sigh* ... can anyone besides X-Fade have a look at libhildon-extras_0.9.6? It's been building for a while, and I'm afraid it's stuck, and when I re-submitted, that just keeps sitting in the queue ...
Oct 01 11:20:44 <_|Nix|_> Please?
Oct 01 11:39:18 <harbaum> mgedmin: Thanks for the links. This may help to convince certain people that this is covered by waranty
Oct 01 11:52:11 <rmrfchik> http://pics.livejournal.com/ibigdan/pic/00k1d08h
Oct 01 11:52:34 <mece> rmrfchik, hee
Oct 01 11:54:21 <psycho_oreos> harbaum, which revision version is your wife's n900?
Oct 01 11:56:11 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Oct 01 11:56:33 <Jaffa> _|Nix|_: Raise a bug.
Oct 01 11:56:51 <_|Nix|_> Jaffa: I guess ...
Oct 01 11:58:53 <jacekowski> my  vwindow goto
Oct 01 11:58:58 <jacekowski> ehh
Oct 01 11:59:37 <_|Nix|_> Jaffa: MB#11357
Oct 01 12:07:42 <|187|> guys how long does a charging cycle via usb cable usually take? phone was down to about 20% its charging 3hrs at my office pc already
Oct 01 12:07:47 <|187|> that normal ?
Oct 01 12:08:58 <mgedmin> I think it takes longer to charge from a PC than from a wall socket
Oct 01 12:09:10 <Jartza> sure
Oct 01 12:09:15 <mgedmin> ~2 hours for a wall socket, maybe 3, 4 from a PC
Oct 01 12:09:27 <mgedmin> numbers approximate since I never measured
Oct 01 12:09:31 <Jartza> wall charger has more "ooomph"
Oct 01 12:09:50 <Jartza> meaning more milliamperes, than usb
Oct 01 12:10:13 <mgedmin> the technical term is "current"
Oct 01 12:10:31 <mgedmin> my laptop's fan started making a noise :(
Oct 01 12:11:07 <ShadowJK> 4-5 from a PC sounds about normal I think
Oct 01 12:14:32 <psycho_oreos> what about powered USB hub? :)
Oct 01 12:15:10 <mgedmin> same
Oct 01 12:17:11 <Khertan_> lbt_: any news about the community obs sync ?
Oct 01 12:28:34 <Khertan_> Morning all !
Oct 01 12:34:11 <harbaum> psycho_oreos: Dunno. HW rev or what? I don't have the device here
Oct 01 12:35:43 <psycho_oreos> harbaum, ahh ok, its either printed inside the device or the retail packaging itself.. I'm curious to know if that revision is higher or lower than mine
Oct 01 12:37:52 <joga> hmm...trying to use mobile hotspot (with power kernel installed; says it's started and stuff), but my laptop doesn't seem to be able to pump an ip from it
Oct 01 12:38:11 <joga> any tips what to check?
Oct 01 12:40:02 <joga> I can see in iwconfig that it has associated with the n900, shows the essid
Oct 01 12:45:23 <luke-jr_> joga: it only works with the mobile hotspot kernel
Oct 01 12:50:24 <joga> luke-jr_, oh, I thought the power kernel is required
Oct 01 12:52:25 <joga> heh, now that I actually tried using the net with n900 while it's using the hotspot, I have speeds of 0.5-3kB/s with 3g
Oct 01 12:58:33 <joga> luke-jr_: what's this "mobile hotspot kernel" and where do I get it?
Oct 01 13:04:45 <Hoxzer> joga: You can download it from repos.
Oct 01 13:05:05 <ieatlint> i've learnt that having a touchscreen makes me try and use regular monitors incorrectly :(
Oct 01 13:05:44 <GAN900> So who's going to justify themselves for a PandaBoard?
Oct 01 13:06:02 <Hoxzer> joga: it's called "Enchanced linux kernel for power users"
Oct 01 13:06:25 <ieatlint> if i could think of anything to try and sell the pandaboard peoples, i would
Oct 01 13:07:25 <GAN900> I wonder if anybody has proposed "Porting MeeGo" yet.
Oct 01 13:07:57 <Hoxzer> eh,? YOu can install development version of meego on n900
Oct 01 13:08:10 <joga> Hoxzer, but that's exactly what I have
Oct 01 13:08:33 <Hoxzer> joga: try uname -r in terminal
Oct 01 13:08:34 <tybollt> gan
Oct 01 13:08:49 <ieatlint> in theory, there is no "porting" of meego to the pandaboard
Oct 01 13:08:54 <joga> Hoxzer: 2.6.28.10power37
Oct 01 13:09:03 <Hoxzer> yes, then the mobile hotspot should work.
Oct 01 13:09:08 <ieatlint> pandaboard has a working kernel, which is 95% of the work to "port meego" to a device
Oct 01 13:09:20 <ieatlint> instead, it's just installing software
Oct 01 13:09:21 <GAN900> ieatlint, yes, but do they know that?
Oct 01 13:09:23 <joga> Hoxzer: it does start the hotspot and I can see it from my laptop, but I can't get an ip
Oct 01 13:09:33 <ieatlint> i damn well hope so :P
Oct 01 13:09:33 <GAN900> ieatlint, and the key phrase there being "in theory".
Oct 01 13:09:51 <Hoxzer> joga: :/ Hmm, you mean your laptop can't get the ip?
Oct 01 13:09:55 <joga> Hoxzer: yes
Oct 01 13:09:56 <GAN900> ieatlint, make the proposal and find out. :D
Oct 01 13:10:01 <ieatlint> yeah, well, i suppose you could sell a meego image for the device
Oct 01 13:10:05 <joga> tried both unsecured and wep
Oct 01 13:10:14 <Hoxzer> joga: and your laptop works with all hotspots (using dhcp) ?
Oct 01 13:10:15 <GAN900> tybollt, yeeeesss?
Oct 01 13:10:16 <ieatlint> partitioned and such with a specific profile setup
Oct 01 13:10:21 <joga> Hoxzer: yeah, had no problems yet
Oct 01 13:10:26 <ieatlint> netbook i guess, as handset and tablet don't fit
Oct 01 13:10:29 <Hoxzer> joga: try without encryption
Oct 01 13:10:40 <joga> Hoxzer: as I said already, tried it :)
Oct 01 13:10:43 <Hoxzer> :(
Oct 01 13:11:08 <lcuk> GAN900, isnt there an omap4 board video shown running meego already?
Oct 01 13:11:26 <Hoxzer> then I have no more tips for you. Usually works fine with me
Oct 01 13:11:43 <Hoxzer> you can try restarting n900 or laptop
Oct 01 13:11:52 <ieatlint> no idea i have would actually accentuate the pandaboard as a platform, or require any features it has over the beagleboard
Oct 01 13:11:55 <Hoxzer> joga: btw, remember to close all connections before you start mobile hotspot
Oct 01 13:12:57 <joga> Hoxzer: yes, I've done all of those, and now I tried to reinstall mobilehotspot, restart n900, make sure it's not connected, then start hotspot unencrypted, it starts, I can see it from the laptop, but it just gets stucks at obtaining ip
Oct 01 13:13:45 <MohammadAG> lcuk, indeed
Oct 01 13:13:46 <joga> I'm using wicd on the laptop, which has no problems connecting to the other wireless networks
Oct 01 13:14:14 <lcuk> seems to run it very well too from what i can gather
Oct 01 13:14:17 <joga> does n900 support master mode?
Oct 01 13:14:29 <ieatlint> has the price for the pandaboard been announced even?
Oct 01 13:14:44 <Hoxzer> joga: try to login as root and type "route" in n900
Oct 01 13:15:09 <ieatlint> kinda looks like it could replace a number of the soekris uses, if the price is reasonable
Oct 01 13:15:23 <joga> Hoxzer: hotspot is now running, I only have one line: 10.132.128.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0
Oct 01 13:15:59 <joga> I also tried to manually assign an ip and gateway for my laptop but to no avail
Oct 01 13:16:14 <joga> (chose 10.132.128.2 as ip, as the n900 appeared to be .1)
Oct 01 13:16:30 <ShadowJK> hm, is there no way to "stream" readings from accelerometer..
Oct 01 13:16:43 <Hoxzer> joga: try "ifconfig"
Oct 01 13:16:44 <joga> ShadowJK, what do you mean "stream"?
Oct 01 13:16:58 <tybollt> GAN900: just aying hi really
Oct 01 13:16:59 <tybollt> :)
Oct 01 13:17:00 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: See http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-1795.2009.00326.x/abstract
Oct 01 13:17:02 <SpeedEvil> err
Oct 01 13:17:03 <SpeedEvil> not that
Oct 01 13:17:14 <joga> Hoxzer: any specific thing you want to know there? wlan0 is up and has the .1 ip
Oct 01 13:17:16 <GAN900> tybollt, hi. :)
Oct 01 13:17:22 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Accelerometer is a link to the APIs I think
Oct 01 13:17:24 <Hoxzer> joga: gprs0
Oct 01 13:17:27 <joga> says it hasn't received anything
Oct 01 13:17:34 <joga> gprs0 is down
Oct 01 13:17:35 <SpeedEvil> the hardware does not support streaming mode, the CPU has to poll it
Oct 01 13:17:38 <Hoxzer> joga: it should be up
Oct 01 13:17:54 <joga> then I guess mobile hotspot screws up :)
Oct 01 13:18:03 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, yeah it just seems I can poll it at the rate of i2c bus
Oct 01 13:18:07 <Hoxzer> joga: verify that the "Connection" is specified correctly
Oct 01 13:18:11 <joga> but I try again: I'll make an internet connection without hotspot once, then disconnect and try it
Oct 01 13:18:16 <joga> Hoxzer: it is, only one choice there
Oct 01 13:18:16 <ShadowJK> I was hoping it'd delay giving reply until a new value is available
Oct 01 13:18:17 <GAN900> lcuk, and what does that mean, exactly? We should all know how things are with getting operating systems running on ARM.
Oct 01 13:18:26 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: there is I think a flag.
Oct 01 13:18:38 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: but you poll it at ~400Hz, and it works.
Oct 01 13:18:52 <Hoxzer> joga: for me the N900 reports that there was a problem connecting and then askes for connection
Oct 01 13:18:56 <Corsac> hmhm, is there some kind of synergy client for n900 (using touchscreen and keyboard to control remote box through wifi)
Oct 01 13:19:20 <Hoxzer> joga: you can try running mobilehotspot in terminal.
Oct 01 13:19:21 <dsg> Corsac: There's a VNC client
Oct 01 13:19:31 <joga> Hoxzer: now hotspot is not running, I made the internet connection and see gprs0 being up. should I now manually disconnect from it and then run hotspot or should hotspot do this for me?
Oct 01 13:19:47 <Hoxzer> hotspot should do it for you
Oct 01 13:19:53 <joga> ok, I will try starting it now then
Oct 01 13:19:58 <Hoxzer> wait
Oct 01 13:20:01 <ShadowJK> 6000 samples in 11 seconds, 545.454529/s
Oct 01 13:20:02 <ShadowJK> 972 unique, 88.363640/s
Oct 01 13:20:18 <joga> kay
Oct 01 13:20:25 <Hoxzer> joga: try "mobilehotspot_backend start" in terminal
Oct 01 13:20:46 <joga> apparently fails to insmod nf_conntrack.co
Oct 01 13:20:56 <joga> hmm, maybe as root :)
Oct 01 13:21:37 <Hoxzer> go-ahead
Oct 01 13:21:49 <joga> ok it seemed to have done the tricks to put wlan0 up and stuff
Oct 01 13:22:00 <joga> gprs0 and wlan0 are up
Oct 01 13:22:32 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: my mistake.
Oct 01 13:22:35 <joga> still not giving ip with dhcp, it seems
Oct 01 13:22:39 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: It can interrupt on new data
Oct 01 13:22:55 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, the driver calls sysfs_notify but I don't know how to hook into that :)
Oct 01 13:23:04 <SpeedEvil> See 7.4
Oct 01 13:23:11 <SpeedEvil> on the datasheet
Oct 01 13:23:22 <Hoxzer> joga: try the "route" again
Oct 01 13:23:38 <joga> Hoxzer: default thru gprs0, and then there's the wlan0 supnet
Oct 01 13:23:42 <joga> *subnet
Oct 01 13:24:04 <Hoxzer> joga: does it said "default" for gprs0 ?
Oct 01 13:24:07 <joga> yes
Oct 01 13:24:17 <joga> which sounds proper to me
Oct 01 13:24:22 <Hoxzer> yes it is.
Oct 01 13:26:00 <joga> in iwconfig encryption is off, it's in ad-hoc mode and everything seems normal
Oct 01 13:26:43 <joga> err...
Oct 01 13:27:01 <joga> I'm seeing a different mac address from my laptop than what is shown in ifconfig wlan0 on the n9000
Oct 01 13:27:04 <joga> *n900
Oct 01 13:27:56 <joga> that's not normal, right?
Oct 01 13:28:41 <Hoxzer> dunno
Oct 01 13:28:59 <joga> wlan0 starts like C8:97:9F... and the laptop shows 36:97:64...
Oct 01 13:29:54 <joga> that one doesn't even seem to be valid
Oct 01 13:30:30 <joga> oh, well, I think I'll look at this later, have some stuff to do. Thanks for your kind help Hoxzer
Oct 01 13:31:04 <Hoxzer> nope...
Oct 01 13:40:11 <juk> just reflashed n900, calendar glitching, with internall error, and contacts refuses to read sim sim
Oct 01 13:41:40 <juk> wireless works
Oct 01 13:45:46 <juk> modest mail app not works
Oct 01 13:46:29 <juk> contacts from sim still not showing up :(
Oct 01 13:47:10 <juk> modest mail app not works Unable to select server inbox
Oct 01 13:47:34 <juk> flashed with lates global image
Oct 01 13:47:44 <juk> what's wrong?
Oct 01 13:48:48 <juk> but i didn't flash external memory
Oct 01 13:50:17 <juk> who the fuck cares here
Oct 01 13:52:32 <ShadowJK> If by external memory he meant emmc, then that'd explain why the flashing didn't help :)
Oct 01 13:53:55 <nocturnal> using the gui installer for the maemo sdk i ran into an error when it was setting up scratchbox targets. i've pasted the last parts of the install log here http://pastebin.com/DH5Majyh
Oct 01 13:54:27 <nocturnal> i've tried running /scratchbox/login manually but it says run sb-menu first, and sb-menu says i'm not allowed to run it. even though my user is in sbox group. i've also tried with root.
Oct 01 13:56:11 <node808> ahhh sooky sooky yeah boiiiii.....i need dat new look...that fresh fresh...whatchall feel those new momo rims in black...be stunnin them boys
Oct 01 13:56:53 <nocturnal> pardon?
Oct 01 14:04:06 <node808> oh snap...my bad dog
Oct 01 14:04:31 <node808> i had seent this room..thought it was the momo rims room
Oct 01 14:04:37 <node808> my bad playa
Oct 01 14:14:58 <GAN900> Stereotype.
Oct 01 14:15:20 <MohammadAG> ~seen javispedro
Oct 01 14:15:31 <infobot> javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 15h 30m 12s ago, saying: 'and instead of backscrolling,  I just wasted more bandwidth and a bit of everybody's time. Like I'm doing now!'.
Oct 01 14:28:03 <DocScrutinizer2> ShadowJK: you sorted your accel readout and notification issues?
Oct 01 14:28:29 <ShadowJK> eh I just wanted to dump it to a file at max rate
Oct 01 14:28:44 <DocScrutinizer2> :nod:
Oct 01 14:30:48 <DocScrutinizer2> ShadowJK: most natural way to use gmeter is to set a convenient threshold and get a uevent/kevent/knotify or whatever it's called when that threshold is tripped, so you can read out the new value
Oct 01 14:32:13 <DocScrutinizer2> ShadowJK: for high resulution continuous recording I'm not sure if gmeter itself has a mode for triggering an IRQ @ 400Hz, or you simply read out the sysfs node @400/s
Oct 01 14:34:44 <MohammadAG> ~maemosdk
Oct 01 14:34:45 <infobot> from memory, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation
Oct 01 14:34:47 <DocScrutinizer2> (kevent) I tried to find out about how to do that a few days ago, but lost my way in /usr/src/linux/Documentation
Oct 01 14:35:25 <sivang> ~info
Oct 01 14:35:57 <sivang> how can I tell myself about something from the infobot?
Oct 01 14:36:35 <DocScrutinizer2> ~query
Oct 01 14:36:37 <infobot> talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query apt" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :)
Oct 01 14:38:18 <DocScrutinizer2> sivang: help helps a bit about what you can do
Oct 01 14:39:02 <ferenc> hello, FYI: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo-org-service-break-2010-10-03/
Oct 01 14:39:03 <DocScrutinizer2> listkeys and listvalues are useful cmds to grep in database
Oct 01 14:41:21 <DocScrutinizer2> ~maemo-down is http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo-org-service-break-2010-10-03/
Oct 01 14:41:21 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer2
Oct 01 14:41:44 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: Does anyone aside from X-Fade have access to the buildbot? I uploaded libhildon-extras_0.9.6 to the fremantle build queue, and it never finished building. Then, when I tried to upload it again, it got stuck in the queue. I'd need someone to terminate the previous build attempt.
Oct 01 14:42:23 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: It's probably stuck at the very end because it launches an X server (required for gtk-doc generation) and probably never terminates it.
Oct 01 14:42:37 <flexxxv> hy is the source of the maemo 5 calculator included
Oct 01 14:42:55 <flexxxv> I mean avaiable
Oct 01 14:43:49 <satmd> infobot: do you notice that '/query apt' is not the correct nick? :p
Oct 01 14:43:49 <ferenc>  _|Nix|_ : I will check and try to remove it from the queue, but I am not so familiar with the build infra.
Oct 01 14:43:49 <infobot> yes, I notice that '/query apt' is not the correct nick? :p.
Oct 01 14:43:56 <satmd> lol.
Oct 01 14:44:37 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: (kevents) FSO is using that mechanism a lot, so you should be able to spot examples in python and vala there
Oct 01 14:46:26 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: (on FR kernel notifies FSO fsodeviced(?) about battery charging state changes, which in turn switch notification LED via yaml rules)
Oct 01 14:47:51 <DocScrutinizer> satmd: are you sure?
Oct 01 14:48:12 * DocScrutinizer suggests a /whois apt
Oct 01 14:48:27 <DocScrutinizer> also /whois ibot
Oct 01 14:49:08 <satmd> :P
Oct 01 14:49:30 <satmd> ^- that's what she said
Oct 01 14:50:09 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen ibot
Oct 01 14:50:13 <infobot> ibot is currently on #gsoc (14d 21h 17m 41s) #bzflag (14d 21h 17m 41s) ##bspress (14d 21h 17m 41s) #brlcad (14d 21h 17m 41s) #handhelds (14d 21h 17m 41s) #utah (14d 21h 17m 41s) #oe (14d 21h 17m 41s) #zaurus (14d 21h 17m 41s) #gllug (14d 21h 17m 41s) #pillbox (14d 21h 17m 41s) #arm-netbook (14d 21h 17m 41s) #handhelds-gpe (14d 21h 17m 41s) #uphpu (14d ...
Oct 01 14:50:22 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen apt
Oct 01 14:50:23 <infobot> apt is currently on #debian (15d 4h 44m 14s) ##icf (15d 4h 44m 14s) #elive (15d 4h 44m 14s) #htc-linux (15d 4h 44m 14s) #kde (15d 4h 44m 14s) #wowroster (15d 4h 44m 14s) #openmoko (15d 4h 44m 14s) #slug (15d 4h 44m 14s) #lugwv (15d 4h 44m 14s) #openmoko-cdevel (15d 4h 44m 14s) #debian-france (15d 4h 44m 14s) #debianppc (15d 4h 44m 14s) #linuxpakistan (15d ...
Oct 01 14:50:34 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen infobot
Oct 01 14:50:35 <infobot> infobot is currently on #utos (15d 4h 14m 32s) #asterisk-doc (15d 4h 14m 32s) ##t42 (15d 4h 14m 32s) #fredlug (15d 4h 14m 32s) #maemo (15d 4h 14m 32s) ##ols (15d 4h 14m 32s) #flyspray (15d 4h 14m 32s) #asterisk-dev (15d 4h 14m 32s) #webos-internals (15d 4h 14m 32s) #opensimpad.org (15d 4h 14m 32s) #asterisk (15d 4h 14m 32s) #byumug (15d 4h 14m 32s) ...
Oct 01 14:54:12 <DocScrutinizer> apt: hi!
Oct 01 14:54:12 <apt> hi
Oct 01 14:54:27 <DocScrutinizer> ~status
Oct 01 14:54:28 <apt> Since Thu Sep 16 09:58:38 2010, there have been 101 modifications, 1563 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 760 commands.  I have been awake for 15d 4h 54m 56s this session, and currently reference 117310 factoids.  I'm using about 38392 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 5077.74/127.37 child 0/0
Oct 01 14:55:10 <merlin1991> apt help
Oct 01 14:55:16 <merlin1991> apt, info
Oct 01 14:55:19 <merlin1991> hm
Oct 01 14:55:24 * merlin1991 doesn't know the apt bot
Oct 01 14:55:42 <ShadowJK> I suspect it needs beer
Oct 01 14:56:31 <DocScrutinizer> ~status
Oct 01 14:56:31 <infobot> Since Thu Sep 16 09:58:38 2010, there have been 101 modifications, 1563 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 761 commands.  I have been awake for 15d 4h 57m this session, and currently reference 117310 factoids.  I'm using about 38392 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 5078.35/127.45 child 0/0
Oct 01 14:56:36 <ilius> how to see pidgin's body list window?
Oct 01 15:00:40 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: thanks
Oct 01 15:00:58 <sivang> ~flashing
Oct 01 15:00:58 <infobot> flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Oct 01 15:01:02 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: Dunno what you (or anyone else) did, but libhildon-extras1 seems to be gone from the queue ... dunno if it's building now, or if it got simply yanked, but I'll wait. Thanks a lot!
Oct 01 15:01:35 <sivang> thanks infobot
Oct 01 15:01:49 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
Oct 01 15:01:50 <infobot> :), DocScrutinizer
Oct 01 15:01:51 <ferenc> _|Nix|_: it's building, but I am afraid that the build git stuck again.
Oct 01 15:01:56 <ferenc> s/git/got
Oct 01 15:02:44 <sivang> the topic still mentioned extras is hosed, is that so?
Oct 01 15:02:48 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: Damn!
Oct 01 15:02:54 <DocScrutinizer> ferenc: seems IT is a somewhat deterministic thing
Oct 01 15:03:14 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: OK. I'll revert the X portion to what we had in 0.9.5 ...
Oct 01 15:03:23 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: Can you please kill it again?
Oct 01 15:03:23 <DocScrutinizer> sivang: I heard no complains last 24h, so maybe not
Oct 01 15:03:44 <sivang> okey
Oct 01 15:04:01 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: I wish I could kill these things from here, but it seems that, if not all processes quit, the build gets stuck ...
Oct 01 15:04:27 <DocScrutinizer> sivang: otoh odds are nobody bothers to mention it's still broken for some of the servers, as the fact and a workaround is known :-P
Oct 01 15:04:56 <ferenc> _|Nix|_: I am looking for the build log to get more clue..
Oct 01 15:05:09 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: ah, really? The workaround being using a community member that mirrors the repo somewhere? :)
Oct 01 15:05:30 <DocScrutinizer> ferenc: you got access to the reporsitory server farm?
Oct 01 15:05:58 <DocScrutinizer> sivang: bother to click the URL mentioned in topic
Oct 01 15:06:18 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: I launch a copy of Xvfb using a script called run-xvfb.sh which I may not be killing ...
Oct 01 15:06:26 <DocScrutinizer> the workaround is to resolve repository.maemo.org to an IP of a good server
Oct 01 15:07:29 <sivang> yes, read this now- thanks again, I should have more trust in channel's topic pastebin'd instructios :)
Oct 01 15:07:35 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: The problem is that I cannot reproduce this problem in my own scratchbox.
Oct 01 15:07:46 <ferenc> DocScrutinizer: I have access to the origin server, from where content is being fetched by the caches. what's the problem?
Oct 01 15:08:10 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: I suspect it has something to do with the fact that the buildbot collects all output into the file, and if not all processes quit, the file is never closed.
Oct 01 15:08:11 <DocScrutinizer> some of the caches had a broken *.gzip file
Oct 01 15:08:23 <DocScrutinizer> not all but only some of them
Oct 01 15:08:41 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: I remember once reproducing this hangage by running dpkg-buildpackage > filename 2>&1, but it's not working now ...
Oct 01 15:09:19 <DocScrutinizer> ferenc: see /topic
Oct 01 15:11:50 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: I wish it posted the log of the hangage after you kill it, so I can compare it with my own scratchbox's output, to tell what the difference is.
Oct 01 15:13:31 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: If it's stuck, can you please kill it one more time, and I'll revert to the previoius version and try again. If it gets stuck, I don't mind waiting till Monday if you decide to call it a day.
Oct 01 15:14:11 <ferenc>  _|Nix|_: I found the build logs, but see no errors there. Strange. I kill the processes again.
Oct 01 15:14:32 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: Thanks!
Oct 01 15:14:35 <DocScrutinizer> ferenc: see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-09-30.log.html#t2010-09-30T02:10:52 until / and http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-09-30.log.html#t2010-09-30T02:26:57
Oct 01 15:14:39 <_|Nix|_> I'll revert then.
Oct 01 15:16:02 <DocScrutinizer> _|Nix|_: starting X on a buildhost? sounds weird
Oct 01 15:16:06 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: Just checking: You do know that the problem is only happening on the i38 side, right? I see no logs from i386 here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libhildon-extras_0.9.6/
Oct 01 15:16:15 <_|Nix|_> DocScrutinizer: Necessary for proper gtk-doc generation.
Oct 01 15:16:35 <ferenc> _|Nix|_: oops. let me check the i386 logs then.
Oct 01 15:17:45 <ferenc>  _|Nix|_: no sign of the i386 build here on the server :(
Oct 01 15:19:23 <ferenc> DocScrutinizer: do you refer to the broken Packages file in the extras repo?
Oct 01 15:19:30 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Oct 01 15:20:25 <DocScrutinizer> ferenc: diablo was broken as well, see URLs above
Oct 01 15:21:13 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: Yeah ... weirdness ... I think the file never gets created, because all processes don't qui.
Oct 01 15:22:45 <ferenc> DocScrutinizer: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz looks good to me.
Oct 01 15:22:54 <ferenc> DocScrutinizer: same for fremantle.
Oct 01 15:23:44 <DocScrutinizer> ferenc: it was broken only on some of the akamai servers of the server farm. Worked for one IP while it failed for another
Oct 01 15:24:29 <ferenc> _|Nix|_: from the x86 build logs:
Oct 01 15:24:32 <ferenc> test -x debian/rules
Oct 01 15:24:32 <ferenc> mkdir -p "."
Oct 01 15:24:32 <ferenc> Starting X server ...
Oct 01 15:24:32 <ferenc> kill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec] [pid | job]... or kill -l [sigspec]
Oct 01 15:24:38 <MohammadAG> ferenc, do you have access to the packages on the repos?
Oct 01 15:24:43 <DocScrutinizer> depending on where you get redirected to by the load balancing you either encountered problems or not
Oct 01 15:24:43 <MohammadAG> I want to remove a non-free package
Oct 01 15:24:47 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: You dound it ...
Oct 01 15:24:50 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: Nice.
Oct 01 15:25:00 <ferenc>  DocScrutinizer: yes, unfortunately I can not clean the caches.
Oct 01 15:25:06 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: Yeah, that's OK, as long as it kills it at the end.
Oct 01 15:25:19 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: It starts the X server twice and should kill it once at the end.
Oct 01 15:25:36 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: Look at the i386 build log for libhidon-extras_0.9.5
Oct 01 15:25:40 <ferenc> MohammadAG: I can remove it from our origin server, but not from the caches.
Oct 01 15:25:43 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: ... for comparison.
Oct 01 15:25:47 <DocScrutinizer> ferenc: ok. I guess it will just "fix itself" on next rsync. Would be interesting to have a look into the cause of it
Oct 01 15:26:06 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: BTW: I reverted the X server related changes and I'm trying again ... *cross fingers*
Oct 01 15:26:15 <ferenc> _|Nix|_: ok
Oct 01 15:27:19 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: My original motivation for making changes to the way I run the X server was the fact that when I first submitted 0.9.6, it failed to start an X server at :2 because one was already running
Oct 01 15:27:31 <ferenc> DocScrutinizer: I am not sure if Akamai uses rsync, otherwise it would have been fixed already :)
Oct 01 15:27:44 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: My X server killing method may not work.
Oct 01 15:27:52 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: kill -9 $(pidof Xvfb)
Oct 01 15:27:59 <DocScrutinizer> :nod: rsync was more like $RSYNC
Oct 01 15:28:36 <ferenc> _|Nix|_: yeah, I think this is the problem.
Oct 01 15:28:40 <MohammadAG> ferenc, can you remove psfreedom from non-free?
Oct 01 15:28:51 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: But this worked with 0.9.5 ...
Oct 01 15:28:53 <ferenc> MohammadAG: yes. hold on.
Oct 01 15:29:00 <DocScrutinizer> ferenc: I suspect it happened when $RSYNC got started in 'a wrong moment'
Oct 01 15:29:05 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: BTW: The armel portion of the new submission has completed.
Oct 01 15:29:47 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: I'm expecting the i38 portion to fail because of an already-running server ... unless you killed it :)
Oct 01 15:29:57 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: It built!
Oct 01 15:30:12 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: Can you please check if there are any Xvfb instances still running?
Oct 01 15:30:34 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: ... now that the build has completed.
Oct 01 15:31:08 <ferenc> _|Nix|_: There are no  Xvfb instances.
Oct 01 15:31:40 <ferenc>  MohammadAG: fremantle non-free?
Oct 01 15:32:14 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: Cool. So, it worked.
Oct 01 15:32:14 <MohammadAG> ferenc, yep
Oct 01 15:33:26 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: Next time, if my build fails because of a X server running on the same DISPLAY as the one I'm trying to start (:2), I'll simply try to re-submit. In no case will I mess with this setup though, I don't think, because it works, as long as no server is running on :2.
Oct 01 15:34:06 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: Or, maybe, if a server is already running on :2, I should just use it, instead of trying to start one of my own.
Oct 01 15:34:08 <dRbiG> hmm, does anyone else share my view that larger python scripts consist in 40% of string 'self.'? ;D
Oct 01 15:34:16 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: In any case, thanks a lot for your help!
Oct 01 15:34:29 <ferenc> _|Nix|_: I did not see a new build starting after I killed the build for the 2nd time. So I am not sure if this build is ok. :(
Oct 01 15:35:01 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libhildon-extras_0.9.6/
Oct 01 15:35:05 <ferenc> MohammadAG: I might be blind, but I can't find psfreedom :(
Oct 01 15:35:12 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: All signs point to it being OK.
Oct 01 15:35:27 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: The build doesn't take very long ... unless it gets stuck, of course :)
Oct 01 15:35:40 <ferenc>  _|Nix|_: ok, good. the build must have been fast.
Oct 01 15:36:01 <DocScrutinizer> ferenc: either block $RSYNC to the caches (in whatever way that can be done), or make sure the master always has a consistent image to sync to the caches, so no races occur that sync a half done image that's "build in progress" - my 2 cent
Oct 01 15:36:10 <_|Nix|_> ferenc: Yep :) Thanks a lot!
Oct 01 15:36:25 <ferenc> _|Nix|_: you are welcome!
Oct 01 15:36:54 <MohammadAG> ferenc, http://maemo.org/packages/view/psfreedom/
Oct 01 15:37:21 <DocScrutinizer> s/block/during build block/
Oct 01 15:37:21 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: ferenc: either during build block $RSYNC to the caches (in whatever way that can be done), or make sure the master always has a consistent image to sync to the caches, so no races occur that sync a half done image that's "build in progress" - my 2 cent
Oct 01 15:37:58 <ferenc> MohammadAG: ah, it is in extras-devel. ok. removed it.
Oct 01 15:38:37 <MohammadAG> ferenc, ty :)
Oct 01 15:38:54 <ferenc> MohammadAG: no
Oct 01 15:39:00 <ferenc> MohammadAG: np, i meant :)
Oct 01 15:40:59 <ferenc> DocScrutinizer: Akamai fetches stuff that has been built. I know what went wrong last time. We were testing a new export control feature and I enabled debugging. During that time Akamai refreshed its content and received a "wrong" Packages file. After the tests Tero cleaned the caches, but some crap remained there :(
Oct 01 15:41:57 <DocScrutinizer> ferenc: fine :-D problem cause identified, problem solved. Thanks a lot
Oct 01 15:43:11 <MohammadAG> ferenc, did you just remove all of psfreedom? lol
Oct 01 15:43:13 <ferenc> DocScrutinizer: I hope we can negotiate access to the cache web ui, so such problems can be cured faster.
Oct 01 15:44:07 <ferenc> MohammadAG: yes, from non-free. You asked: "can you remove psfreedom from non-free?"
Oct 01 15:44:25 <MohammadAG> yeah, but it's not free
Oct 01 15:44:32 <DocScrutinizer> ferenc: I assume caches should all have received their good sync now?
Oct 01 15:44:38 <MohammadAG> it's not in free*
Oct 01 15:44:46 <MohammadAG> http://maemo.org/packages/view/psfreedom/
Oct 01 15:45:21 <ferenc> DocScrutinizer: yes, hopefully.
Oct 01 15:46:32 <ferenc> MohammadAG: sorry, I lost you. psfreedom is no longer in fremantle-1.3 / extras-devel / non-free section.
Oct 01 15:46:43 <satmd> 1.3?
Oct 01 15:46:47 <ferenc> MohammadAG: it has also been removed from the Packages tool itself.
Oct 01 15:47:08 <ferenc> satmd: well, the latest fremantle release..
Oct 01 15:47:20 <satmd> mhm ok
Oct 01 15:47:46 <MohammadAG> ferenc, why?
Oct 01 15:47:56 <MohammadAG> 0.3-4 was in free
Oct 01 15:48:10 <ferenc> MohammadAG: ok, I am sorry. I will revert it.
Oct 01 15:48:16 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: just upload it again?
Oct 01 15:48:57 <DocScrutinizer> nm
Oct 01 15:49:43 <MohammadAG> sigh, can you add it back to the packages tool?
Oct 01 15:51:37 * sivang dar's the content of the phone that was backed up to an mSD before "The Big Reflash"
Oct 01 15:52:02 <sivang> I guess I am a little bit paranoid when it comes to back ups
Oct 01 15:53:20 <Scelt> ~flash
Oct 01 15:53:21 <infobot> rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Oct 01 15:53:26 <DocScrutinizer> sivang: ??
Oct 01 15:53:56 <sivang> Scelt: yes yes, I am well aware of that, I just commencted about backing up partition contents before
Oct 01 15:54:12 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: I didn't satisfy with the internal backup program
Oct 01 15:54:35 <Scelt> sivang: oh, no. I needed the flashing url myself :]
Oct 01 15:54:41 <DocScrutinizer> fair enough
Oct 01 15:54:49 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I did, it was rejected :P
Oct 01 15:54:59 <DocScrutinizer> :P
Oct 01 15:55:05 * sivang still carries the sysadmin mindset to other disciplines
Oct 01 15:55:23 <DocScrutinizer> sivang: keep that habit
Oct 01 15:55:36 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: yeah, it is *always* to be safe than sorry :-[
Oct 01 15:55:41 <sivang> :-p
Oct 01 15:55:47 <sivang> *better
Oct 01 15:56:23 <DocScrutinizer> except sometimes in strictly social activities, where such mindset isn't alway appreciated :-P
Oct 01 15:56:29 <ferenc> MohammadAG: do you need this instance kept: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/psfreedom/0.3/
Oct 01 15:56:31 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: hehe, true
Oct 01 15:57:11 <MohammadAG> ferenc, that's the one I wanted you to remove
Oct 01 15:57:41 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: heh
Oct 01 15:58:19 <ferenc> MohammadAG: The Packages web UI and the repo are 2 different things. I removed the package from the repo and then I also deleted the "psfreedom" entry from the Packages catalog.
Oct 01 15:58:47 <ferenc> MohammadAG: the latter one was restored, but I can clean up the non-free "package instance" from there too.
Oct 01 16:12:36 <MohammadAG> ferenc, thanks :)
Oct 01 16:13:14 <MohammadAG> ferenc, you can remove the non-free instance
Oct 01 16:13:43 <ferenc> MohammadAG: yes, I will try..
Oct 01 16:14:55 <GAN900> Anybody recommend a registrar these days?
Oct 01 16:15:28 <ferenc> MohammadAG: done.
Oct 01 16:15:51 <MohammadAG> thanks
Oct 01 16:16:01 <ferenc> MohammadAG: welcome
Oct 01 16:16:29 <slonopotamus> evening, ladies and gentlemen
Oct 01 16:24:53 <RST38h> good evening,heffalumpus
Oct 01 16:25:42 <slonopotamus> :P
Oct 01 16:26:13 <slonopotamus> meh, can't find any traces on controlling wifi psm :/
Oct 01 16:27:07 <MohammadAG> any DSLR experts?
Oct 01 16:27:12 <slonopotamus> and wtf is that post by Teemu Harju on t.m.o?
Oct 01 16:27:23 <slonopotamus> err, on maemo planet
Oct 01 16:30:31 <frals> slonopotamus: link?
Oct 01 16:33:02 <RST38h> Hmm, installing Mohammad'sSSU packages broke apt-get
Oct 01 16:33:26 <slonopotamus> frals: oh, it was removed already. i got it via rss.
Oct 01 16:33:36 <RST38h> It now thinks that the system is broken as mp-fremantle-generic-pr has unsatisfied dependencies
Oct 01 16:33:53 <frals> slonopotamus: what was it?
Oct 01 16:34:45 <MohammadAG> RST38h, dpkg -r it and install it again
Oct 01 16:35:03 <MohammadAG> unfortunately, 6-1 > 7, or that's what apt thinks
Oct 01 16:35:34 * slonopotamus can't paste unicode into maemo xchat... wtf
Oct 01 16:35:57 <MohammadAG> no, you can't paste more than one line
Oct 01 16:36:43 <slonopotamus> i didn't
Oct 01 16:37:01 <slonopotamus> oh, k, some weird symbol
Oct 01 16:37:09 <slonopotamus> that post was titled "次のエクシオで名誉挽回"
Oct 01 16:37:14 <RST38h> ah
Oct 01 16:37:31 <slonopotamus> and here's full contents: http://dpaste.org/bVhM/
Oct 01 16:37:42 <merlin1991> lol
Oct 01 16:37:45 <slonopotamus> i have no idea what that means
Oct 01 16:38:40 <RST38h> Mohammad: You mean I should install one from your repo?
Oct 01 16:39:04 <MohammadAG> yeah, version maemo7
Oct 01 16:39:22 <RST38h> hmmm ok
Oct 01 16:40:09 <MohammadAG> apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr=10.2010.19-1maemo7
Oct 01 16:40:11 <merlin1991> ah MohammadAG hearing about your repo all the time but never saw an url, gimme! :D
Oct 01 16:40:19 <MohammadAG> it will say downgrading, but it's actually upgrading
Oct 01 16:40:23 <MohammadAG> sometimes apt confuses me
Oct 01 16:41:07 <MohammadAG> #maemo-ssu, if you can test the .install file I'd be grateful :)
Oct 01 16:41:59 <RST38h> hm ok
Oct 01 16:44:30 <RST38h> Interesting,installing mp-fremantle-generic-pr for some reason keeps back libsdl-mixer1.2 perl-base
Oct 01 16:45:12 <merlin1991> it keeps that back on my phone too
Oct 01 16:45:22 <merlin1991> but I don't have the ssu enabled yet
Oct 01 16:45:47 <MohammadAG> RST38h, apt-get install perl-base
Oct 01 16:45:51 <MohammadAG> don't touch the sdl package
Oct 01 16:46:07 <MohammadAG> the perl-base package was updated by Nokia (thanks X-Fade)
Oct 01 16:46:36 <MohammadAG> the sdl package is a package in -devel which breaks your metapackage, idk who uploaded
Oct 01 16:46:36 <MohammadAG> it
Oct 01 16:47:54 <jacktheripper> is it possible to dump microphone input to the FM transmitter on the N900 ?
Oct 01 16:48:36 <RST38h> Mohammad: scary
Oct 01 16:49:57 <MohammadAG> jacktheripper, just dump microphone input anywhere, then start the FM transmitter
Oct 01 16:50:02 <MohammadAG> idk what node the mic is in /dev
Oct 01 16:50:19 <RST38h> apt-get install perl-base tells it is going to remove the mp-fremantle-generic-pr and a whole bunch of maemo5 core packages
Oct 01 16:51:11 <jacktheripper> umm what do you mean by dumping it anywhere ? I want it live not recorded if that's what you meant.
Oct 01 16:53:51 <jacktheripper> can I just dd mic input into radio0 ?
Oct 01 16:54:10 <lcuk> jacktheripper, try it?
Oct 01 16:54:25 <jacktheripper> okay
Oct 01 16:54:43 <lcuk> chances are you will hear SNFGFKUESNGESUGHDAT.KSHFRIUENRKUNHAINHESAFKJre KIND NOISES
Oct 01 16:54:48 <lcuk> but IDK
Oct 01 16:56:02 <MohammadAG> RST38h, then ignore it
Oct 01 16:56:47 <SpeedEvil> jacktheripper: no, it's horribly more complex than that.
Oct 01 16:56:53 <SpeedEvil> Radio0 is not a sound device
Oct 01 16:57:14 <SpeedEvil> you need to convince pulseaudio to do it.
Oct 01 16:57:34 <SpeedEvil> It may be possible to use sox to do this.
Oct 01 16:57:39 <sivang> MohammadAG: maybe it'd be better to provide each package upgrade separately ?
Oct 01 16:58:16 <sivang> SpeedEvil: is Radio0 an pulseaudio "sink" that has it's protocl/API for accessing and not plain dev node?
Oct 01 16:58:18 <MohammadAG> no
Oct 01 16:58:53 <sivang> MohammadAG: why not? to you need to authenticate the whole package (is it a meta package btw?) for HAM to accept it?
Oct 01 17:00:11 <MohammadAG> it uses a fake mp-fremantle-generic-pr package
Oct 01 17:00:23 <MohammadAG> but no, if you want separate packages remove the existing metapackage
Oct 01 17:00:58 <sivang> MohammadAG: so the meta package exists in purpose to not allow you to individually upgrade some of the core componenets and still have the nokia package in?
Oct 01 17:01:01 <SpeedEvil> radio0 has nothing whatsoever to do with audio
Oct 01 17:01:05 <SpeedEvil> it's just a control node
Oct 01 17:01:13 <sivang> SpeedEvil: ah, so to enable/disable
Oct 01 17:01:20 <SpeedEvil> yes, and tune, and ...
Oct 01 17:01:37 <sivang> SpeedEvil: so like to choose the transmitting frequency ?
Oct 01 17:01:56 <MohammadAG> <jacktheripper> umm what do you mean by dumping it anywhere ? I want it live not recorded if that's what you meant.
Oct 01 17:02:14 <MohammadAG> I meant you don't have to address the FM transmitter directly, just find a way to play mic input through speaker output
Oct 01 17:02:23 <RST38h> MohammadAG: Basically, removing the mp-*-pr thing automatically suggests removal of pretty important system packacges like rtcom stuff
Oct 01 17:02:44 <RST38h> MohammadAG: So, I guess, living without any mp-*-pr at all is not a good idea
Oct 01 17:02:57 <MohammadAG> no, it shouldn't
Oct 01 17:03:33 <MohammadAG> I lived without it for a month or two actually :)
Oct 01 17:06:32 <Khertan> Hi again
Oct 01 17:06:43 <RST38h> MohammadAG: I hope you did not do apt-get autoremove during that time :)
Oct 01 17:07:21 <Khertan> I got strange charging problem since three night with wall charger on my n900
Oct 01 17:07:54 <Khertan> the two first time the n900 was powered so i think that it s come from process eating cpuj
Oct 01 17:08:22 <Khertan> but this night i shut it down and in the morning it was only charged at 40% when i power up
Oct 01 17:09:10 <Khertan> so more than when it  s start to charge but less than it should be after 6 hours of charge
Oct 01 17:09:30 <Khertan> could it be the charger which is defect
Oct 01 17:09:30 <Khertan> ?
Oct 01 17:09:46 <Khertan> but i see the charging icon when i plug it in the n900
Oct 01 17:09:59 <Khertan> this is kinda strange, isn t it ?
Oct 01 17:09:59 <RST38h> Electronic Arts and developer Danger Close have bowed to pressure and announced that the Taliban side would simply be referred to as "opposing force."
Oct 01 17:10:17 <RST38h> Medal of Honor would allow players to take the role of Taliban forces in multiplayer games, causing no small amount of consternation among political groups and military supporters.
Oct 01 17:10:52 <RST38h> Khertan: I had two N900s (one a developer unit) fail to go into charging mode during the night, for unknown reason
Oct 01 17:11:23 <RST38h> Khertan: Might have somethingto do with voltage spikes in the outlet, dunno
Oct 01 17:11:29 <Khertan> rst38h: it will be a borring game : run ... run ... run ... explode with the bomb
Oct 01 17:11:57 <RST38h> Khertan: Nah, talibs are actually more lively than that
Oct 01 17:12:10 <stef_204> hi, does anyone know if there is a way so that the email client in maemo on n900 does NOT dowload all attachments when checking for emails (IMAP)?
Oct 01 17:12:29 <GAN900> RST38h, saw that a few times on my proto.
Oct 01 17:12:39 <Khertan> RST38h : hum maybe but the electronic alarm haven t lost his datetime
Oct 01 17:12:45 <GAN900> Obnoxious when the phone is dead leaving the house.
Oct 01 17:13:15 * sivang -> (out, "be back later")
Oct 01 17:13:18 <RST38h> I know for sure it is not related to the N900 hw
Oct 01 17:13:28 <RST38h> Because TWO of them could not do the same thing in a row
Oct 01 17:15:02 <Khertan> RST38h, but yes it s possible has we have many electricals problem on the electrical network many out of power every day. And when i start electrical device i can see light blinking
Oct 01 17:15:13 <RST38h> shit, something installed python again =(
Oct 01 17:15:48 <RST38h> Khertan: If you can get an old voltage stabilizer, get one
Oct 01 17:16:24 <RST38h> Khertan: Or a UPS, I guess, will do the same thing
Oct 01 17:17:04 <SpeedEvil> I have a ferroresonant power conditioner.
Oct 01 17:17:21 <RST38h> How do I check who depends on a given package? =)
Oct 01 17:18:32 <RST38h> Your next Nokia device: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/07/wp7main1.jpg
Oct 01 17:18:35 * RST38h hides
Oct 01 17:18:42 <rdesfo> is there a perl6 version that works with nokia's n900?
Oct 01 17:19:57 <Khertan_> hum ups will beep during the night in the room
Oct 01 17:19:57 <Khertan_> my wife will be not happy
Oct 01 17:19:57 <Khertan_> :)
Oct 01 17:22:41 <SpeedEvil> Place ape over beeper.
Oct 01 17:22:44 <SpeedEvil> tape
Oct 01 17:24:24 <Khertan__> grrr third deconnection
Oct 01 17:25:27 <Khertan__> ~ping
Oct 01 17:25:28 <infobot> ~pong
Oct 01 17:26:36 <nocturnal> using the gui installer for the maemo sdk i ran into an error when it was setting up scratchbox targets. i've pasted the last parts of the install log here http://pastebin.com/DH5Majyh
Oct 01 17:26:45 <nocturnal> i've tried running /scratchbox/login manually but it says run sb-menu first, and sb-menu says i'm not allowed to run it. even though my user is in sbox group. i've also tried with root.
Oct 01 17:28:37 <lcuk> nocturnal, did you try reading the troubleshooting guide and specifically about vdso?
Oct 01 17:28:53 <nocturnal> no i did not, thank you lcuk
Oct 01 17:29:17 <lcuk> nocturnal, I googled the first error
Oct 01 17:29:22 <lcuk> something you could have done ;)
Oct 01 17:29:23 <lcuk> http://suppressingfire.livejournal.com/35277.html
Oct 01 17:30:08 <nocturnal> very nice of you =)
Oct 01 17:30:11 <lcuk> hope it fixes it anyway :P
Oct 01 17:30:15 <nocturnal> thanks
Oct 01 17:35:53 <RST38h> Khertan: Just move somewhere with stable power, dammit~! B)
Oct 01 17:41:09 <dRbiG> anyone here got some experience with gtk(+) programming?
Oct 01 17:41:44 <dRbiG> i need a widget to be hidden _and_ not to be included in the size calculation of the container and i have currently no idea how to do it :)
Oct 01 17:42:05 <dRbiG> or i'm just getting the impression that the hidden widget is still used for the calculations
Oct 01 17:43:47 <DrIDK> Can somebody help me to test something : try to open http://thecorpo.fr/sacha/stream2.mpeg from your brother
Oct 01 17:44:18 <_llll_> mt brother's on holiday
Oct 01 17:48:04 <jacktheripper> why does 'cat /dev/kmem' crash the device here ?
Oct 01 17:51:31 <SpeedEvil> unsure.
Oct 01 17:51:39 <SpeedEvil> I tried that ages ago, and it did
Oct 01 17:51:43 <nocturnal> i'm seeing a lot about debian x64 being unsupported with the SDK. is this serious? should i maybe reinstall with just 32-bit?
Oct 01 17:53:05 <nocturnal> meh i'll give it another shot now that i disabled vdso
Oct 01 17:59:04 <GAN900> Weather starts dipping into the 80s and it feels like winter.
Oct 01 17:59:38 * kirma has learned that mr. jaaksi is leaving today :I
Oct 01 18:01:11 <pupnik_> what was he responsible-for?
Oct 01 18:01:51 <Stskeeps> kirma: :O
Oct 01 18:01:51 <Stskeeps> kirma: [citation needed]
Oct 01 18:01:51 <pupnik_> i find the explosion of arm-based portables mysterious, looking at n810... n900... somehow missed the wave
Oct 01 18:02:01 <pupnik_> how did that happen?
Oct 01 18:02:13 <RST38h> Epic, definitely epic: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/30/nokia-n8-vs-iphone-4-camera-showdown/?utm_source=engadget&utm_medium=twitter
Oct 01 18:02:20 <kirma> I can't give citations. consider it a rumor.
Oct 01 18:02:52 <juk> so I installed, scratchbox following http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have af-sb-init.sh :(
Oct 01 18:02:52 <RST38h> (and yes, few people understand that "overprocessed"!="better")
Oct 01 18:02:56 <Stskeeps> kirma: please let the replacement -not- be someone from MS..
Oct 01 18:02:56 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 01 18:03:10 <juk> how to emulate
Oct 01 18:03:22 <kirma> and... I'm not a nokia employee, nor employee of a subsidiary or other company in direct interaction with nokia
Oct 01 18:04:08 <RST38h> Jaaksi gone?
Oct 01 18:04:20 <RST38h> Ohhoho, more Changes are coming
Oct 01 18:04:21 <juk> help
Oct 01 18:04:31 <tybollt> RST38h: jaaksi gone? why?
Oct 01 18:04:41 <kirma> I really hope for a proper verification for this word-of-mouth
Oct 01 18:04:48 <kirma> too...
Oct 01 18:05:26 <RST38h> kirma: URL or it didn'thappen.
Oct 01 18:05:39 <kirma> then it didn't
Oct 01 18:06:03 <juk> how to emulate using Xephyr?
Oct 01 18:06:10 <juk> so I installed, scratchbox following http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have af-sb-init.sh :(
Oct 01 18:06:23 <MohammadAG> ~maemosdk
Oct 01 18:06:24 <infobot> methinks maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation
Oct 01 18:07:02 <juk> thanks infobot
Oct 01 18:09:19 <tybollt> ~slap juk
Oct 01 18:09:20 * infobot slaps juk, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
Oct 01 18:10:27 <pupnik_> ty RST38h
Oct 01 18:10:42 <juk> infobot, it's kind of welcome, i get it
Oct 01 18:11:21 <tybollt> ~kill juk
Oct 01 18:11:22 * infobot shoots a hyper-charged positrino gun at juk
Oct 01 18:12:08 <juk> ~headshot juk
Oct 01 18:12:09 * infobot shoots juk in the head
Oct 01 18:12:22 <juk> ~blood juk
Oct 01 18:13:08 <juk> ~bleeding juk
Oct 01 18:20:58 <juk> MohammadAG: I did everything by instructions why Im missing that af-sb-init.sh?
Oct 01 18:21:40 <juk> anyone have one, would share content?
Oct 01 18:21:42 <MohammadAG> nokia-binaries?
Oct 01 18:21:46 <juk> yes
Oct 01 18:22:08 <juk> by imea i got link added to list updated ...
Oct 01 18:23:36 <juk> and replacing symlinks by dir is outdated info, it is already dirs
Oct 01 18:24:54 <juk> tybollt: im sorry i meant no offence, emotions
Oct 01 18:26:32 <tybollt> juk: :)
Oct 01 18:27:11 <RST38h> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2tpSCVVujc
Oct 01 18:27:28 <RST38h> Sweat dreams.
Oct 01 18:28:37 <juk> RST38h: im not allowed to watch youtube
Oct 01 18:28:57 <RST38h> And?
Oct 01 18:30:20 <juk> RST38h: do you know what in af-sb-init.sh
Oct 01 18:30:33 <RST38h> some shell code?
Oct 01 18:30:47 <juk> RST38h: exactly
Oct 01 18:31:16 <juk> RST38h: i need it, shortly
Oct 01 18:31:21 <RST38h> And?
Oct 01 18:32:03 <juk> RST38h: i assume you don't have it, so have I nice day
Oct 01 18:33:30 <johnsq> Hi
Oct 01 18:35:22 <GAN900> RST38h, you said Jaaksi is leaving? *eg*
Oct 01 18:35:40 <RST38h> GAN: not me, some other guy
Oct 01 18:35:42 <juk> so I installed, scratchbox following http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have af-sb-init.sh :(
Oct 01 18:35:51 <RST38h> GAN: Said he heard it, no URL though
Oct 01 18:36:28 <RST38h> GAN: But there is a cute video of a living electroturd devouring an iPhone at the above URL, to make you forget =)
Oct 01 18:40:03 <TiagoTiago> hi
Oct 01 18:40:42 <TiagoTiago> my photo gallery is broken :(
Oct 01 18:41:04 <TiagoTiago> it says operation failed and says there are no images
Oct 01 18:41:50 <TiagoTiago> hm, the builtin media player also isn't finding anything
Oct 01 18:42:29 <SpeedEvil> reboot
Oct 01 18:42:40 <TiagoTiago> already did
Oct 01 18:42:55 <TiagoTiago> hm, rootfs got zero bytes free....
Oct 01 18:43:13 <SpeedEvil> rm -rf /
Oct 01 18:43:20 <SpeedEvil> (will break your device more)
Oct 01 18:43:26 <TiagoTiago> lol
Oct 01 18:43:28 <kirma> I said... the leaving part. but consider it a rumor slipped out from regular intoxicated finns on a friday night. :I
Oct 01 18:43:57 <RST38h> kirma: Go back there, bring 'em more booze!
Oct 01 18:44:31 <juk> so I installed, scratchbox following http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have af-sb-init.sh, please give me, who have got one
Oct 01 18:46:47 <juk> so I installed, scratchbox following http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have af-sb-init.sh, if you got one, pastebin output: cat `which af-sb-init.sh` from your scratchbox
Oct 01 18:47:50 <juk> so I installed, scratchbox following http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have af-sb-init.sh, if you got one, *pastebin output: cat `which af-sb-init.sh` from your scratchbox*
Oct 01 18:48:16 <Stskeeps> ..
Oct 01 18:48:20 <juk> so I installed, scratchbox following http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have *af-sb-init.sh*, if you got one, pastebin output: cat `which af-sb-init.sh` from your scratchbox
Oct 01 18:49:25 <GAN900> kirma, so I should source you when I write it up for next week's mwkn? *g*
Oct 01 18:50:02 <RST38h>  
Oct 01 18:50:48 <juk> so I installed scratchbox, following: http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have *af*-*sb*-*init*.*sh*, if you got one, pastebin output: cat `which af-sb-init.sh` from your scratchbox
Oct 01 18:51:06 <RST38h> Somebody, help that juk guy, he is getting really annoying now.
Oct 01 18:51:08 <tybollt> GAN900: 'some dude on IRC said that..."
Oct 01 18:51:37 <juk> RST38h: no, im cool, just reformarting...
Oct 01 18:51:48 <RST38h> GAN900: Just source Eldar Murtazin, nobody will say a word at that =)
Oct 01 18:54:39 <GAN900> Ha
Oct 01 18:55:19 <GAN900> Well, clearly if Jaaksi's on his way out, they must've signed a deal with Darius.
Oct 01 18:55:25 <GAN900> He's got his think tank.
Oct 01 18:57:10 <RST38h> His think tank is filled up with nuts up to the rim.
Oct 01 18:58:46 <lcuk> juk, why didnt you follow the official scratchbox installation instructions or use the GUI installer that makes it trivial?
Oct 01 18:59:16 <jacktheripper> found that FM transmitter routes all the audio automatically to FM, so I just have to route mic input to audio output. Can I do THAT, with dd ?
Oct 01 19:01:45 <juk> so I installed scratchbox, following: http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have *af*-*sb*-*init*.*sh*, if you got one, pastebin output: cat `which af-sb-init.sh` from your scratchbox
Oct 01 19:01:52 <juk> gives command: Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb &
Oct 01 19:01:56 <MohammadAG> <jacktheripper> found that FM transmitter routes all the audio automatically to FM, so I just have to route mic input to audio output. Can I do THAT, with dd ?
Oct 01 19:01:57 <juk> Unrecognized option: -kb
Oct 01 19:02:07 <MohammadAG> not sure about dd, but I told you that about 2 hours ago :P
Oct 01 19:02:46 <juk> please someone edit wiki
Oct 01 19:03:24 <MohammadAG> juk, take out -kb
Oct 01 19:03:36 <MohammadAG> you're probably on Ubuntu 10.04
Oct 01 19:03:47 <jacktheripper> damn, didn't notice :/
Oct 01 19:03:51 <jacktheripper> sorry for that :D
Oct 01 19:04:12 <juk> MohammadAG: yes, 9 days remaining to 10.10
Oct 01 19:04:22 <TiagoTiago> gotta go, cya
Oct 01 19:04:27 <gregoa> juk: my /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh --> http://paste.debian.net/92766/
Oct 01 19:05:15 <MohammadAG> juk, I'm on 10.10, but that's not the point, the Xephyr package on 10.04+ doesn't have the -kb option
Oct 01 19:05:25 <MohammadAG> so just hit ALT+F2
Oct 01 19:05:40 <MohammadAG> paste Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac
Oct 01 19:05:40 <MohammadAG> hit ok
Oct 01 19:05:50 <MohammadAG> or run, whatever
Oct 01 19:09:17 <juk> gregoa: god bless you kind man, could you also pastebin: /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh
Oct 01 19:10:22 <juk> MohammadAG: thanks
Oct 01 19:10:36 <gregoa> juk: sure --> http://paste.debian.net/92767/
Oct 01 19:20:26 <juk> My God help you in everything you doing, last thing:
Oct 01 19:20:33 <juk> AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/osso-gtk.defs' not found
Oct 01 19:20:33 <juk> AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/keyboard.defs' not found
Oct 01 19:20:33 <juk> AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/sdl.defs' not found
Oct 01 19:21:56 <juk> gregoa: if it makes sense, i dont know how many, else
Oct 01 19:23:00 <gregoa> juk: here we are (all 3): http://paste.debian.net/92769/
Oct 01 19:24:13 <ikke-t> hi, i'm having problems getting stacked windows working on my test app
Oct 01 19:24:25 <ikke-t> is there any limitations for using them?
Oct 01 19:25:13 <ikke-t> i made three widgets, and tried to obey the example, but failed getting them appear as stacked window
Oct 01 19:25:22 <pronto> anyone know how to get a self timer working for the n900?
Oct 01 19:27:59 <opdf2> ANyone have a simliar problem of Call Notify always saying I have 5+ missed SMS when i only have one?
Oct 01 19:28:23 <Funnyface> do you know if the performance of wimax is comparable to DSL? or is it just about as sheite as UMTS/HSDPA?
Oct 01 19:28:52 <Funnyface> packet loss and latency wise
Oct 01 19:29:03 <Surfa> depends
Oct 01 19:29:35 <ShadowJK> packet loss depends on signal
Oct 01 19:29:48 <ShadowJK> I have about 30 - 50ms latency, consistently
Oct 01 19:30:14 <ShadowJK> (on UMTS/HSDPA your first pings take 1000ms before it starts becoming reasonable)
Oct 01 19:31:07 <ShadowJK> Then again I have a 30cm fixed dish in a tower in my backyard, pointing at the base station 500m away.
Oct 01 19:32:28 <Surfa> but is wimax really alive somewhere? :)
Oct 01 19:32:35 <RST38h> Yes
Oct 01 19:33:01 <ShadowJK> it's filling the adsl/umts notspot here.
Oct 01 19:36:38 <juk> gregoa: May God protect you from whole the trobles of life, thank you!
Oct 01 19:37:25 <gregoa> juk: you're welcome
Oct 01 19:37:50 <juk> MohammadAG: I got this output when run af-sb-init.sh, looks like bug: http://paste.debian.net/92771/ help
Oct 01 19:38:25 <MohammadAG> sb-conf select FREMANTLE_X86
Oct 01 19:40:00 <juk> and?
Oct 01 19:41:14 <juk> << Startup Xephyr, with the x86 targets pointing the output to it >> what that suppose to mean 12 step dartarrow.net
Oct 01 19:45:40 <nocturnal> http://i.imgur.com/A7C2K.jpg finally got the sdk working! thanks for all the help you guys who helped me figure out vdso32.
Oct 01 19:47:00 <juk> nocturnal: mac?
Oct 01 19:49:08 <nocturnal> yes
Oct 01 19:49:21 <nocturnal> i use vmware fusion to run linux
Oct 01 19:52:57 <juk> MohammadAG: http://paste.debian.net/92777/
Oct 01 19:53:24 <lcuk> nocturnal, :)
Oct 01 19:53:32 <juk> nocturnal: why no app panel?
Oct 01 19:53:43 <MohammadAG> juk, echo $DISPLAY
Oct 01 19:54:07 <nocturnal> the dock you mean. i think it's worthless when you have spotlight. unfortunately Adolf Jobs hard coded it into the desktop so turning it off disables like 4 other services and makes the desktop unusable.
Oct 01 19:54:11 <nocturnal> so it's only hidden to the side
Oct 01 19:54:22 <juk> MohammadAG: [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > echo $DISPLAY
Oct 01 19:54:23 <juk> :2
Oct 01 19:55:06 <MohammadAG> are you sure you have nokia-binaries installed?
Oct 01 19:56:19 <ShadowJK> nocturnal, why does your nick look completely unknown to me on freenode, but when I see your own irc window it looks familiar
Oct 01 19:56:31 <juk> MohammadAG: how comes, I am apologising, please, i din't realise, apparently not [:shame:]
Oct 01 19:56:47 <MohammadAG> lol
Oct 01 19:57:08 <nocturnal> ShadowJK: no idea, i've been on freenode since like 2000 but mostly in #freebsd back before the extra #
Oct 01 20:01:05 <BugBlue> clear
Oct 01 20:03:00 <DocScrutinizer> poll!
Oct 01 20:03:49 <DocScrutinizer> who thinks /topic should lose the "| Skype...*$" part?
Oct 01 20:05:47 <DocScrutinizer> please post "topic -" if you think the topic should get shorter (i.e. delete the part after&incl " | Skype"
Oct 01 20:05:51 <DocScrutinizer> )
Oct 01 20:06:21 <DocScrutinizer> please post "topic +" when you think the topic is ok as it is now
Oct 01 20:06:28 <korhojoa> topic -
Oct 01 20:06:47 <korhojoa> (are we allowed to start yet?)
Oct 01 20:06:53 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Oct 01 20:06:56 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Oct 01 20:08:45 <DocScrutinizer> topic -
Oct 01 20:09:06 <juk> DocScrutinizer: why in India?
Oct 01 20:09:30 <DocScrutinizer> inia COMBINED image comes without Skype
Oct 01 20:09:44 <juk> DocScrutinizer: clear
Oct 01 20:09:49 <DocScrutinizer> some legalese about encryption
Oct 01 20:11:03 <SpeedEvil> I wonder why wpa2 is ok
Oct 01 20:18:35 <nocturnal> has anyone managed to setup cpu transparency for ARMEL so you can run the ARM apps without transferring them to the tablet?
Oct 01 20:18:45 <nocturnal> i get a missing devkit.
Oct 01 20:19:29 <luke-jr_> nocturnal: yes
Oct 01 20:19:36 <luke-jr_> but not necessarily *Maemo* apps
Oct 01 20:19:55 <nocturnal> luke-jr_: ok well should i read this for help on how? http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/devkit.html
Oct 01 20:20:00 <nocturnal> or how did you do it?
Oct 01 20:20:02 <luke-jr_> but I do have a working ARM chroot for Gentoo
Oct 01 20:20:44 <luke-jr_> http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0/qemu
Oct 01 20:21:05 <luke-jr_> again, not sure how that can be modified to run Maemo apps or not
Oct 01 20:21:08 <luke-jr_> but it's a start
Oct 01 20:23:18 <TiagoTiago> is it safe to optify the python stuff under /usr/lib/ ?
Oct 01 20:26:57 <nocturnal> thanks luke-jr_
Oct 01 20:27:03 <luke-jr_> np
Oct 01 20:27:31 <TiagoTiago> oh, and  hi
Oct 01 20:30:32 <TiagoTiago> anyone?
Oct 01 20:41:14 <kirma> &last 200
Oct 01 20:41:18 <kirma> er.
Oct 01 20:41:32 <TiagoTiago> is it safe to optify the python stuff under /usr/lib/ ?
Oct 01 20:43:11 <SpeedEvil> Has anyone used witter?
Oct 01 20:43:16 <SpeedEvil> I can't setup oauth
Oct 01 20:43:21 <ShadowJK> isnt it already optified
Oct 01 20:43:42 <ShadowJK> check output of df..
Oct 01 20:43:46 <SpeedEvil> On returning from the browser, and clickg ok, I get a window that's off the bottom of the screen with what looks to be an entry box that I can't use.
Oct 01 20:48:05 <sivang> hi
Oct 01 20:48:33 <sivang> how do I know which firmware my N900 is? Middle east, UK , it was sent to me from Espoo, Finland
Oct 01 20:48:50 <sivang> does this holds as a UK version or the "plain" images?
Oct 01 20:49:30 <sivang> as per FNC gift
Oct 01 20:49:54 * sivang picks "GLOBAL" release
Oct 01 20:51:30 <opdf2> nm had to edit callnotify.py
Oct 01 21:02:52 <dRbiG> hmm, how are the efforts to enable n900 to be a usb host?
Oct 01 21:05:50 <sivang> is the maemo Fiasco image called like this due to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiasco_(L4_clone)#Fiasco ?
Oct 01 21:07:31 <wmarone> doubtful
Oct 01 21:10:18 <DocScrutinizer> dRbiG: they are like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62787
Oct 01 21:10:52 <sivang> wmarone: it is acually mentioned with relationg to Symbian and in some way Maemo
Oct 01 21:12:49 <ArGGu^^> sivang you can check your firmware version from settings->about product
Oct 01 21:13:31 <pupnik> spend some time educating folks, if you know something
Oct 01 21:14:08 <juk> i don't know, i think i'm cursed, emulation wont start!
Oct 01 21:14:18 <sivang> ArGGu^^: 3.2010.02-8
Oct 01 21:14:31 <ArGGu^^> sivang I bought my n900 from  Finland and it has global firmware
Oct 01 21:14:40 <sivang> ArGGu^^: great, then that's probably what I have
Oct 01 21:14:41 <ArGGu^^> sivang that should be global
Oct 01 21:14:44 <sivang> ArGGu^^: thanks :)
Oct 01 21:14:47 <sivang> ArGGu^^: how do you gather that?
Oct 01 21:15:00 <sivang> ArGGu^^:  I mean, that the version is global firmware?
Oct 01 21:16:14 <ArGGu^^> usa firmware version should in .002, middle east and north america .003, india .004 and uk .203.x
Oct 01 21:16:24 <ArGGu^^> *should end
Oct 01 21:17:09 <sivang> ArGGu^^: nice, is this on the wiki somewhere?
Oct 01 21:17:13 <sivang> ArGGu^^: how do you know that? :)
Oct 01 21:17:26 <ArGGu^^> global firmware just have the normal version number It does not have it own suffix
Oct 01 21:18:04 <ArGGu^^> sivang http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php
Oct 01 21:18:24 <ArGGu^^> firmwares that you can download from there has those suffix
Oct 01 21:18:32 <ArGGu^^> and global has none suffix
Oct 01 21:18:44 <juk> I'm cursed, emulation wont start! http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/504157/ help me!!!
Oct 01 21:19:37 <E0x> juk: start dbus
Oct 01 21:19:53 <sivang> ArGGu^^: but that appears to be only in the file name no
Oct 01 21:20:18 <sivang> ArGGu^^: so the "Brief Description" column has the same version number for any make
Oct 01 21:20:35 <ArGGu^^> sivang http://regmedia.co.uk/2010/02/16/n900_1.jpg
Oct 01 21:20:37 <sivang> ArGGu^^: but if your's global, and was bought in finland then that's okay
Oct 01 21:20:45 <ArGGu^^> there is screenshot of about product
Oct 01 21:20:49 <sivang> uh-ha!
Oct 01 21:20:53 <sivang> ArGGu^^: thank you SO MUCH
Oct 01 21:20:56 <ArGGu^^> and it has the .002 suffix
Oct 01 21:21:54 <sivang> ArGGu^^: yes, I see that now, I never saw a different device so that helps
Oct 01 21:22:19 <sivang> It is very rare hre
Oct 01 21:22:20 <sivang> here
Oct 01 21:22:23 <sivang> ;)
Oct 01 21:22:25 <juk> E0x: after dbus manually started: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/504158/
Oct 01 21:23:44 <sivang> ArGGu^^: now the _COMBINED image means it has the eMMC vanilla as well?
Oct 01 21:25:07 <sivang> ArGGu^^: or do I still need to fetch the older in version time stamp image of the eMMC here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin
Oct 01 21:26:06 <juk> E0x: again http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/504161/
Oct 01 21:27:33 <juk> E0x: screw it, i gonna do all over again
Oct 01 21:28:01 <ArGGu^^> sivang I'm not sure of that. I have just updated my n900 using ssu
Oct 01 21:28:49 <sivang> ArGGu^^: ah okay.
Oct 01 21:30:13 <juk> yeah
Oct 01 21:31:23 <juk> where's home directory actually in scratchbox?
Oct 01 21:31:58 <sivang> juk: it is bind mounted to your regular home, IIRC
Oct 01 21:33:06 <juk> sivang: i want take rootstarps out of there and blow off /scratchbox
Oct 01 21:33:49 <juk> sivang: btw, it's not my actual home dir
Oct 01 21:34:20 <ArGGu^^> sivang I think that depends where you have bind it. I got in /scratchbox/users/<username>/home/user
Oct 01 21:34:32 <ArGGu^^> juk check /scratchbox/users/<username>/home/user
Oct 01 21:35:11 <juk> ArGGu^^: yeah, thats deal
Oct 01 21:36:56 <sivang> ArGGu^^: ah, right
Oct 01 21:39:58 <ArGGu^^> btw has anyone tested meego on n900?
Oct 01 21:40:04 <DocScrutinizer> sivang: it's quite varbatim in ~flashing - anyway COMBINED is rootfs + possibly bootloader + possibly cellmo FW, and VANILLA is partitioning of eMMC and content of MyDocs which happens to be a eMMC partition
Oct 01 21:41:12 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: yes, I just now deduced it since there was no other things for it to be combined with, as if ti was combined with the eMMC somehow, they would not provide the eMMC as well:)
Oct 01 21:41:22 <DocScrutinizer> so if you want to keep $HOME and MyDocs, you do not want to flash VANILLA
Oct 01 21:42:47 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: yep, noted thanks.
Oct 01 21:42:55 <juk> sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop
Oct 01 21:43:03 <juk> WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING
Oct 01 21:43:10 <juk> Trouble umounting!  Some mounts could still be active!
Oct 01 21:43:28 <juk> am I clear to rm -rf /scratchbox ?
Oct 01 21:43:55 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: that's quite hilarious :) - NEW-HOME-SIZE=4096
Oct 01 21:43:56 <sivang> sed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/*VANILLA*.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin
Oct 01 21:44:10 <DocScrutinizer51> eh?
Oct 01 21:44:20 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: I mean, one would think it'd require more than that.
Oct 01 21:44:23 <nox-> moin
Oct 01 21:44:27 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: so I was quite surprised to see that
Oct 01 21:44:30 <sivang> moins nox-
Oct 01 21:44:38 <DocScrutinizer51> no, that's just enough
Oct 01 21:45:34 <nox-> moin sivang
Oct 01 21:45:50 <juk> why it happens to me?!
Oct 01 21:45:52 <ArGGu^^> juk You want to remove scratchbox?
Oct 01 21:46:03 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: how much can you enlarge it than its original size? I mean, the size of the eMMC is 32G tops right?
Oct 01 21:46:03 <juk> ArGGu^^: yes, very much
Oct 01 21:46:31 <ArGGu^^> juk How did you install it?
Oct 01 21:47:12 <DocScrutinizer51> sivang: yes, and you'll need 768M for swap, and should keep at least 1G for MyDocs
Oct 01 21:47:24 <juk> ArGGu^^: sudo aptitude install scratchbox-core scratchbox-libs scratchbox-devkit-qemu scratchbox-devkit-debian scratchbox-devkit-doctools scratchbox-devkit-perl scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 scratchbox-devkit-svn scratchbox-devkit-git scratchbox-devkit-apt-https
Oct 01 21:47:50 <DocScrutinizer51> sivang: so up to 30G for home should work
Oct 01 21:47:56 <juk> and lots of lots stuff waisting my connection
Oct 01 21:48:18 <ArGGu^^> juk http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Un-installation
Oct 01 21:48:40 <juk> I knew it gonna be messy, why did I
Oct 01 21:49:52 <DocScrutinizer> juk: BEWARE! BEWARE! rm -rf /scratchbox has nukes quite some systems, because of the bindmounts back to "host"-system
Oct 01 21:50:39 <juk> DocScrutinizer: I dont care now
Oct 01 21:51:18 * DocScrutinizer neither. Is fetching popcorn and watching the horrormovie to come in this channel :-P
Oct 01 21:52:23 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: HAHAHA
Oct 01 21:52:44 <DocScrutinizer> juk: probably if you'd go for a clean new install of your PC's linux OS right away, that'd be much easier than first nuking it by rm -rf /scratchbox
Oct 01 21:53:18 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: this happened to me once, so I learned on the flesh. Never happend since. (Not with Maemo, but with various ubuntu chroots bindmounted for network and other stuff)
Oct 01 21:53:41 <sivang> I reacalled scratchbox has an uninstall "feature" no?
Oct 01 21:54:33 <juk> DocScrutinizer: really that bad, apparently I can't remove it
Oct 01 21:55:18 <DocScrutinizer> juk: check mount
Oct 01 21:55:57 <juk> echo /scratchbox on /scratchbox/users/juk/scratchbox type none (rw,bind)
Oct 01 21:55:57 <juk> /tmp on /scratchbox/users/juk/tmp type none (rw,bind)
Oct 01 21:56:20 <juk> echo /dev on /scratchbox/users/juk/dev type none (rw,bind)
Oct 01 21:56:29 <DocScrutinizer> hehe, so if you don't need your /tmp anymore...
Oct 01 21:56:44 <DocScrutinizer> nor your /dev
Oct 01 21:56:45 <nox-> just umount those first?
Oct 01 21:56:52 <DocScrutinizer> yes!
Oct 01 21:57:00 <MohammadAG> no
Oct 01 21:57:05 <sivang> juk: try to umount first, if yo get 'fs busy' make sure no apps or shell session are in those dirs
Oct 01 21:57:15 <sivang> MohammadAG: ?
Oct 01 21:57:20 <juk> sivang: no way
Oct 01 21:57:24 <juk> sivang: busy
Oct 01 21:57:36 <MohammadAG> there's a way to stop the mounts
Oct 01 21:57:46 <MohammadAG> sec
Oct 01 21:58:13 <sivang> MohammadAG to the rescue!
Oct 01 21:58:21 <MohammadAG> mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core stop
Oct 01 21:58:21 <MohammadAG> Stopping Scratchbox: umount, binfmt_misc.
Oct 01 21:58:27 <sivang> oh right
Oct 01 21:58:29 <sivang> silly me
Oct 01 21:58:43 <juk> MohammadAG: Im done
Oct 01 21:59:46 <sivang> MohammadAG: thanks for keeping us humane and not vilde hayes :)
Oct 01 21:59:59 <MohammadAG> lol
Oct 01 22:00:24 <MohammadAG> I rm -rf'd /scratchbox on my server once
Oct 01 22:00:28 <sivang> heh
Oct 01 22:00:31 <sivang> I see
Oct 01 22:00:36 <MohammadAG> was about 100km away from it for 2 months or so
Oct 01 22:00:40 <sivang> oh dear
Oct 01 22:00:43 <MohammadAG> ssh failed
Oct 01 22:00:43 <sivang> I have a VDS
Oct 01 22:00:51 <MohammadAG> i couldn't reboot
Oct 01 22:01:25 <sivang> makes it much easier if I screw things up, so you also learned the hard way. So did I with 2 weeks worth packaging work that went downt the drain when rm -rf bindmounted dirs.
Oct 01 22:01:41 <sivang> MohammadAG: in a VDS you can reboot and do whatever you want through a web vmware console
Oct 01 22:01:44 <sivang> MohammadAG: it is quite nice
Oct 01 22:01:54 <sivang> there where omniqueue.com is hosted
Oct 01 22:01:58 <sivang> *that's
Oct 01 22:02:32 <MohammadAG> well
Oct 01 22:02:39 <MohammadAG> you can't reboot it in any way
Oct 01 22:02:46 <MohammadAG> cause the linux kernel is fooked
Oct 01 22:02:50 <MohammadAG> try it
Oct 01 22:02:52 <ArGGu^^> btw As here is lot of n900 users I think this good place to ask one question
Oct 01 22:02:59 <MohammadAG> rm -rf /dev/* /proc/* /sys/*
Oct 01 22:03:10 <sivang> yes, so I can just reinstall an image
Oct 01 22:03:14 <MohammadAG> you won't recover from that easily without a cold reboot
Oct 01 22:03:15 <sivang> if I want to, through a web ui
Oct 01 22:03:16 <ArGGu^^> http://arggu.ath.cx/IrGGu.png here is screenshot of irc client that I'm making for n900
Oct 01 22:03:29 <sivang> MohammadAG: true, that's is why having a VDS is nice (Virtual Dedicated Server)
Oct 01 22:03:32 <MohammadAG> it probably doesn't have a core i5 :P
Oct 01 22:03:41 <sivang> MohammadAG: no, but is very very strong
Oct 01 22:03:59 <MohammadAG> I wanted an i5 back then
Oct 01 22:04:05 <SpeedEvil> http://qkwv.com/xchat.png ArGGu^^
Oct 01 22:04:10 <SpeedEvil> I find useful
Oct 01 22:04:16 <ArGGu^^> I put a tab button next text input for nick completion, but I just would want to that if someone has better idea.
Oct 01 22:04:30 <ArGGu^^> SpeedEvil I don't like xchat on n900
Oct 01 22:04:31 <SpeedEvil> It would be ideal if it was possible to be able to easily rename the tabe.
Oct 01 22:04:34 <sivang> MohammadAG: builds packages in a blink of an eye, I should try qt on it sometime soon, maybe tomorrow
Oct 01 22:04:34 <SpeedEvil> Fair enough
Oct 01 22:04:55 * sivang logs in to his irssi from the N900
Oct 01 22:04:55 <MohammadAG> sivang, try the linux kernel
Oct 01 22:04:57 <ArGGu^^> *want to know
Oct 01 22:05:06 <SpeedEvil> ArGGu^^: it's some ideas - I like tabs on the left - or right - as usually the chat lines are not long enough to take up a whole line.
Oct 01 22:05:11 <sivang> MohammadAG: will do, should be a nice experiment
Oct 01 22:05:27 <MohammadAG> anyways, I have a laptop now
Oct 01 22:05:31 <SpeedEvil> ArGGu^^: And configurable short aliases for those names would be good.
Oct 01 22:05:36 <MohammadAG> compiling the zImage takes about 3-5 mins
Oct 01 22:05:49 <ArGGu^^> SpeedEvil n900 has some screen so I'm not going use any names list or channel list
Oct 01 22:05:56 <MohammadAG> school day tomorrow, night o/
Oct 01 22:06:06 <SpeedEvil> ArGGu^^: some screen?
Oct 01 22:06:15 <MohammadAG> ideally
Oct 01 22:06:18 <ArGGu^^> network and channels are switched with hot keys
Oct 01 22:06:24 <MohammadAG> the IRC client would have both
Oct 01 22:06:25 <ArGGu^^> SpeedEvil sry type I mean small
Oct 01 22:06:29 <MohammadAG> userlists and networks
Oct 01 22:06:29 <ArGGu^^> *typo :D
Oct 01 22:06:34 <sivang> MohammadAG: night!
Oct 01 22:06:41 <MohammadAG> you would have to swipe left/right to show them
Oct 01 22:06:56 <MohammadAG> up/down to scroll
Oct 01 22:07:00 <SpeedEvil> ArGGu^^: OK. I typically have several channels open - so that wouldn't work well for me
Oct 01 22:07:07 <MohammadAG> hold on screen to activate copy mode
Oct 01 22:07:59 <SpeedEvil> ArGGu^^: Also consider that your massive date/timestamp takes up as much room as a chanlist
Oct 01 22:08:38 <ArGGu^^> SpeedEvil that timestamp is only in playback from bouncer
Oct 01 22:08:45 <SpeedEvil> ah
Oct 01 22:09:14 <MohammadAG> ArGGu^^, do consider my points :)
Oct 01 22:09:22 <MohammadAG> o/
Oct 01 22:09:45 <ArGGu^^> I would like to have nick completion used from keyboard but I can't think any good key for it :S
Oct 01 22:09:59 <sivang> ArGGu^^: maybe a quick double press?
Oct 01 22:10:01 <SpeedEvil> I use shift-rightarrow
Oct 01 22:10:02 <sivang> ArGGu^^: on the speace
Oct 01 22:10:06 <SpeedEvil> It works well for me
Oct 01 22:10:23 <sivang> ArGGu^^: have youipasted mock ups of the ui somewhere?
Oct 01 22:11:14 <ArGGu^^> MohammadAG yes I will consider.
Oct 01 22:12:02 <ArGGu^^> sivang http://arggu.ath.cx/IrGGu.png here is the ui of client
Oct 01 22:13:00 <ArGGu^^> I like n900 keyboard so using mostly keyboard shortcuts works for me
Oct 01 22:13:18 <ArGGu^^> but maybe I could take more use of the touch screen
Oct 01 22:13:32 <SpeedEvil> I find it vital
Oct 01 22:13:47 <SpeedEvil> Opening and closing the screen to switch channels would be _annoying_
Oct 01 22:14:10 <ArGGu^^> Opening and closing screen?
Oct 01 22:14:25 <ArGGu^^> why need to open and close the screen
Oct 01 22:15:31 <ArGGu^^> my default shortcuts are ctrl+up previous network, ctrl+down next network and channels prev ctrl+left, next ctrl+right
Oct 01 22:15:51 <ArGGu^^> but shortcuts can be changed from options dialog
Oct 01 22:26:42 <sivang> is there a way to force time udpate ?
Oct 01 22:26:56 * sivang boogles at why it does not happen automatically as it used to
Oct 01 22:31:51 * sivang googles through the wiki
Oct 01 22:32:55 <SpeedEvil> sivang: apt-get instal openntpd
Oct 01 22:33:13 <SpeedEvil> opening and closing keyb
Oct 01 22:34:00 <sivang> SpeedEvil: why do I have to install something new if it worked before? have I changed anything unintentionally?
Oct 01 22:41:05 <SpeedEvil> dunno
Oct 01 22:41:15 <SpeedEvil> I'm suggesting a workaround
Oct 01 22:41:49 <sivang> SpeedEvil: sure, thanks, I just like to understands what happens behind the scenes :)
Oct 01 22:43:15 <SpeedEvil> Do not look at the man behind the curtain.
Oct 01 22:43:19 <sivang> hehe
Oct 01 22:43:22 <DrGrov> Good evening
Oct 01 22:45:58 <Goliath23> hi
Oct 01 22:46:35 <crashanddie> "The telephone number pasted on boxes of cereal named for Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chad Ochocinco was supposed to be for a charity -- but mistakenly directed callers to a sex line"
Oct 01 22:47:11 <crashanddie> How the hell do you recover from such a mistake and keep your job?
Oct 01 22:47:17 <crashanddie> "err, woops"?
Oct 01 22:47:46 <SpeedEvil> crashanddie: By having a lucrative job lined up at an adult buisness PR department.
Oct 01 22:47:58 <sivang> heh
Oct 01 22:48:06 <Goliath23> i'm writing an homescreen widget that displays bundesliga (expandable to other leagues as well) live scores. now i'm thinking of creating a public repo on the web. maybe someone can help my lousy programming skills. what would be the best place? garage.maemo.org?
Oct 01 22:48:28 <nox-> or maybe they just stopped paying for the line and the phone equivalent of a domain squatter grabbed it...
Oct 01 22:48:48 <crashanddie> nox-: no, they typo'd 888 instead of 800
Oct 01 22:48:54 <nox-> haha ok
Oct 01 22:48:59 <sivang> hehe
Oct 01 22:49:06 <Goliath23> its written in qt and currently it just displays a table with the curremt scores with no automatic update yet (it updates at start)
Oct 01 22:49:26 <crashanddie> Goliath23: gitorious.org is pretty popular, garage.m.o might do, it contains features such as bugtracker, source control management and mailing lists
Oct 01 22:49:45 <SpeedEvil> Has anyone used witter recently?
Oct 01 22:49:46 <crashanddie> Goliath23: also, what the hell is bundesliga?
Oct 01 22:49:54 <SpeedEvil> Football.
Oct 01 22:49:56 <crashanddie> SpeedEvil: no, USE KHWEETEUR
Oct 01 22:50:21 <Goliath23> crashanddie: what vcs does garage use?
Oct 01 22:50:22 <crashanddie> oh, german word for first league?
Oct 01 22:50:30 <crashanddie> Goliath23: svn, IIRC
Oct 01 22:50:30 <Goliath23> crashanddie: yes
Oct 01 22:50:37 <Goliath23> crashanddie: ok
Oct 01 22:50:53 <Goliath23> I think i go with garage for now
Oct 01 22:51:08 <crashanddie> and git, as well
Oct 01 22:51:35 <Goliath23> btw. does anyone know when full compisite will come to qt on hildon?
Oct 01 22:51:51 <crashanddie> I'm guessing about two months after second coming
Oct 01 22:52:14 <crashanddie> well, 6 weeks after second coming, most probably.
Oct 01 22:52:25 <Goliath23> seems that only the top level widget can be made translucent. i have a tableview and I can't get rid of the black background..
Oct 01 22:53:11 <GAN900> crashanddie, Ochocinco is an ass. It's OK.
Oct 01 22:53:22 <sivang> crashanddie: second coming?
Oct 01 22:53:35 <crashanddie> GAN900: fairy nuff
Oct 01 22:54:01 <crashanddie> sivang: never heard of second coming?
Oct 01 22:54:11 <sivang> crashanddie: it is related to religion right?
Oct 01 22:54:17 <crashanddie> yeah
Oct 01 22:54:18 <sivang> crashanddie: like, a revalation
Oct 01 22:54:20 <Goliath23> something like duke nukem forever?
Oct 01 22:54:42 <crashanddie> sivang: no, it's supposed to be the second time that christ will walk the earths
Oct 01 22:54:54 <sivang> crashanddie: yes, so a revalation to his believers
Oct 01 22:55:35 <GAN900> sivang, yes, Revelation.
Oct 01 22:55:44 <GAN900> crashanddie, book of the bible.
Oct 01 22:56:09 <sivang> err, excuse my terrible after midnight spelling
Oct 01 22:56:22 <sivang> I was bound to go to sleep already but am drawned by the magic spells this channel puts on me.
Oct 01 22:59:53 <crashanddie> actually, second coming isn't described in the book of revelations (which is written by John, and discusses the end of the world, apocalypse, four horsemen, etc) -- second coming is far from that.
Oct 01 23:01:04 <sivang> crashanddie: so it si rather a good thing than an apocalypse?
Oct 01 23:01:21 <crashanddie> well, ironically, the second coming will predict the end of the world, so...
Oct 01 23:01:29 <crashanddie> take your pick :D
Oct 01 23:01:45 <crashanddie> sivang: i'm not a religious guy at all, I hate religion with a passion.
Oct 01 23:02:04 <crashanddie> I just thoroughly enjoy the books as fiction.
Oct 01 23:02:27 <crashanddie> GAN900: I met the tech lead of my new job
Oct 01 23:02:41 <crashanddie> the guy's a frigging genius/maniac/awesomeness in a box.
Oct 01 23:03:18 <crashanddie> At some point, he started a sentence with "In most of the (programming) languages I designed, I've always tried to include..."
Oct 01 23:05:59 * sivang flashes rootfs
Oct 01 23:07:30 <sivang> how long should it show the progress bar once it rebooted?
Oct 01 23:07:58 * sivang phews
Oct 01 23:08:08 <sivang> the logo and setup appears
Oct 01 23:08:11 <sivang> jesus
Oct 01 23:08:12 <sivang> oops
Oct 01 23:09:14 <sivang> wawo
Oct 01 23:09:21 <sivang> the new first time setup screen is amazing
Oct 01 23:09:23 * sivang likes
Oct 01 23:10:20 <sivang> especially the card
Oct 01 23:10:23 <sivang> err, the clock
Oct 01 23:11:42 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: we have 2 or 3 votes for shorter /topic, none for keeping as is
Oct 01 23:12:01 <sivang> odd how some of the desktop icons remained and some vainshed
Oct 01 23:12:10 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer: sure
Oct 01 23:12:11 <pronto> is there a way to have the camera have a timer before it takes a photo?
Oct 01 23:12:16 <DocScrutinizer> go?
Oct 01 23:12:33 <crashanddie> yeah, no problem
Oct 01 23:12:58 <crashanddie> I thought that skype and nitdroid thing would stay for a day or two, not more
Oct 01 23:15:45 <sivang> hmm, so most of the packages vanished so I have to resync them from the backup
Oct 01 23:15:46 <sivang> oh well
Oct 01 23:16:06 * sivang notes browser is much faster.
Oct 01 23:17:16 <sivang> kinetic scroll is much better
Oct 01 23:19:24 <sivang> odd I forgot the dimmer applet was stock /me reinstalls
Oct 01 23:20:05 * sivang just fell inlove deeper with the device.
Oct 01 23:20:43 <DocScrutinizer> still kinetic scroll is way from perfect. It's painfully missing a dynamic damping factor, like throwing 3 times in a sequence gives higher scrolling speed AND much less damping, so scroll persists longer
Oct 01 23:21:31 <dRbiG> DocScrutinizer: so true
Oct 01 23:21:49 <dRbiG> and there should be an option to reverse it
Oct 01 23:21:58 <sivang> dRbiG: yes, but such a difference for the previous version!
Oct 01 23:22:00 <DocScrutinizer> basically you'd want to have it at a final mode where scrolling never stops until end of window reached.
Oct 01 23:22:06 <sivang> dRbiG: I got terribly annoyed at it already
Oct 01 23:22:21 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: is this the case for iPhone?
Oct 01 23:22:37 <DocScrutinizer> NFC, I never touched an iPhone
Oct 01 23:23:12 <sivang> okay. how do I make the protrain mode take affect btw?
Oct 01 23:23:33 * sivang thanks people here for pointing him at right wiki resources for making this a smooth process and non destructable
Oct 01 23:23:36 <DocScrutinizer> a first simple approach would be: the faster the scrolling the smaller the damping
Oct 01 23:23:50 <DocScrutinizer> aka 'friction'
Oct 01 23:24:54 <DocScrutinizer> a second stage of sophistication could take into account the number of throws user applied to the current scroll
Oct 01 23:26:07 <DocScrutinizer> one fast fierce throw would give fast scroll that slows down quickly, while 3 or 4 gentle throws give a slow scroll that never slows down
Oct 01 23:27:18 <sivang> right, so backup app asks me if I want to overwrite the osso-addressbook file since the device has a newer version
Oct 01 23:27:33 <sivang> I accidently cliked outside the question, and it just stoped the back up and rebooted
Oct 01 23:27:34 <DocScrutinizer> nice, no?
Oct 01 23:27:36 <sivang> bahg!
Oct 01 23:27:42 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Oct 01 23:28:22 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: what bugs me here, how will a simple, former iphoner toleratethe fact the backup program asks him about a a file he will never rememebr backing up?
Oct 01 23:28:29 <DocScrutinizer> sivang: you can restore from arbitrary backups as often as you want
Oct 01 23:28:54 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: "An more up to date version of your conacts exists on the device"
Oct 01 23:28:58 <dRbiG> imo n900 is not for iphone users
Oct 01 23:29:11 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: at least that:)
Oct 01 23:29:15 <DocScrutinizer> sivang: thank god not all on maemo is tailored to please ex iPhone users
Oct 01 23:29:32 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: hehe, yes, well, I am mor ethinking of someone even coming from Symbian
Oct 01 23:29:45 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Oct 01 23:29:50 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: it never asks you about "thie file that has an odd osso- prefix"
Oct 01 23:30:09 <sivang> "Restoring contacts" instead
Oct 01 23:30:24 <psycho_oreos> sivang, my previous phone was symbian :p
Oct 01 23:30:43 <DocScrutinizer> I'm thinking of "checkmark your last phone you used!" err, [x]winmoob -.-.->BOOOOOM
Oct 01 23:31:15 <sivang> HAHA
Oct 01 23:31:32 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: it is not healthy for me to laugh so louly at this hour of night :)
Oct 01 23:31:55 <sivang> psycho_oreos: Yes, did S60 ever asked you to replace a file ? :)
Oct 01 23:32:42 <psycho_oreos> sivang, I don't recall that in particular but symbian was just a piece of shite :) utterly and completely
Oct 01 23:33:21 <psycho_oreos> almost always everything is either `certificate not valid'; `cannot write to device'
Oct 01 23:33:30 <DocScrutinizer> sivang: had sybian ever any notion about what's a file? :-P
Oct 01 23:33:49 <psycho_oreos> its like a hardened windows
Oct 01 23:34:06 <sivang> guys comm'on, given symbian's heritage and early design decision it has gone pretty far with S3 in my view
Oct 01 23:34:16 <sivang> ;)
Oct 01 23:34:18 <DocScrutinizer> granted
Oct 01 23:34:27 <sivang> I have a book FN sent me,
Oct 01 23:34:36 <DocScrutinizer> still don't want to swap linux for it
Oct 01 23:35:00 <sivang> and it explains some of the design decision that were never suited for the advanced SoC S60's carry now, and still they make faiely good usage of the hardware
Oct 01 23:35:12 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: sure- me neither, Maemo/N900 is like a true dream come true
Oct 01 23:35:18 <psycho_oreos> I personally don't care about the heritage of an OS, if I bought a device with whatever software its included I expect it to do whatever I please not to give me stupid excuses of needing this or that
Oct 01 23:35:24 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: But I have special affection to my N97mini
Oct 01 23:35:31 <sivang> it has blazing fast photo taking
Oct 01 23:35:41 <sivang> responsiveness to the shot button
Oct 01 23:35:58 <sivang> and the email client is superb for fetching stff out of gmail imap
Oct 01 23:36:03 <sivang> without draining the batteyr at all
Oct 01 23:36:10 * sivang is not sure how ti does that
Oct 01 23:36:22 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, I considered to get N95-8G a few years ago. But when I had to learn it doesn't have any more external storage slot, I though "meh, screwit"
Oct 01 23:36:44 * sivang fights the replace dialog
Oct 01 23:37:13 <sivang> I wish we could port the mail client to Maemo/MeeGo :-)
Oct 01 23:37:28 <psycho_oreos> I got N95-1 (the non-NAM version) it was loaded with dreaded puny RAM which hardly allows one to do multitasking let alone the ability to be able to make any use out of symbian
Oct 01 23:37:31 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: yeah., the storage in this device si something else. I use it as a mobile SSHD
Oct 01 23:38:00 <sivang> psycho_oreos: what other alternatives were at that time? consider what other companies were offering :)
Oct 01 23:38:03 <DocScrutinizer> sivang: wtf? aren't there ANY good mail clients out there, that only need a Qt GUI to work on maemo/meego like a charm?
Oct 01 23:38:15 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: yes,my plan as well :)
Oct 01 23:38:35 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: true. There are some quite nice protocol middlwares that ould just use a Qt GUI thrown at them.
Oct 01 23:38:41 * sivang thinks this could be a nice practice
Oct 01 23:38:55 <psycho_oreos> sivang, I would have personally gone for my very own first linux phone.. maybe an old HTC.. but instead N900 became my first linux phone
Oct 01 23:39:02 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: I actually started exploring some of those after going over the changelog of MohammadAG51 's modest package
Oct 01 23:39:28 <psycho_oreos> N95-1 shits me to tears in most cases
Oct 01 23:40:32 <sivang> psycho_oreos: consider the alternative at that time, when my friend bought his N95 and played albeit transcoded movies to a tv, or used N-Gage to play games, people astonished
Oct 01 23:41:28 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG51 is a constant pain in that he refuses to set up some central wiki location summarizing all his great work, and one decent git repo to pull sources from, and easy-to-install packages for everything, even a repo for HAM
Oct 01 23:42:52 <DocScrutinizer> and he's using tmo way too much to announce his things :-P
Oct 01 23:43:06 <sivang> tmo?
Oct 01 23:43:11 <luke-jr_> DocScrutinizer: I know someone who refuses to use git or Bazaar because they require* SSH keys…
Oct 01 23:43:21 <luke-jr_> sivang: talk.maemo.org duh
Oct 01 23:43:23 <DocScrutinizer> while no sane human can look at tmo more frequently than once a month
Oct 01 23:43:24 <sivang> ah
Oct 01 23:43:33 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: I agree.
Oct 01 23:43:37 <luke-jr_> DocScrutinizer: that often? must be an edge case
Oct 01 23:43:41 <sivang> real men use mailing lists :-p
Oct 01 23:43:46 <luke-jr_> pfft
Oct 01 23:43:48 <sivang> luke-jr_: hehe
Oct 01 23:43:50 <luke-jr_> real men use NNTP
Oct 01 23:43:55 <sivang> luke-jr_: for news?
Oct 01 23:43:57 <luke-jr_> the standard protocol for such purposes
Oct 01 23:44:02 <sivang> luke-jr_: dude, that's the past
Oct 01 23:44:08 <nox-> sivang, gmane
Oct 01 23:44:10 <luke-jr_> what protocol has replaced NNTP?
Oct 01 23:44:21 <Carneque> hi all is there a good organizer that syncs with outlook calendar?
Oct 01 23:44:27 <sivang> luke-jr_: so you have a news reader for MLs?
Oct 01 23:44:35 <nox-> <nox-> sivang, gmane
Oct 01 23:44:38 <sivang> luke-jr_: no protocl
Oct 01 23:44:42 <luke-jr_> sivang: ML is just a hacky implementation of discussion groups
Oct 01 23:44:52 <luke-jr_> NNTP is the standard protocol for them
Oct 01 23:44:59 <DocScrutinizer> Carneque: simply? no
Oct 01 23:45:09 <luke-jr_> I suppose one could implement discussion groups with IMAP4…
Oct 01 23:45:30 <luke-jr_> Carneque: I doubt many, if any, people serious about N900 use Outlook, or even Windows
Oct 01 23:45:34 <sivang> nox-: ah, I will look to how to allows to subscribe and everything, never thought about checking it
Oct 01 23:45:55 <Carneque> anything for organizing urself?
Oct 01 23:45:57 * sivang used to use NNTP in 1997
Oct 01 23:46:06 <nox-> sivang, example: gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.user
Oct 01 23:46:09 <luke-jr_> unfortunately, NNTP clients are falling by the wayside
Oct 01 23:46:10 <DocScrutinizer> Carneque: more elaborate: there's ways to sync the maemo genuine calendar and contacts, and there are organizers that sync easily but don't integrate into maemo well
Oct 01 23:46:18 <luke-jr_> but it is still the standard, and still best suited for the purpose
Oct 01 23:46:26 <sivang> nox-: I'll install a news reader, do we have something for the tablet?
Oct 01 23:46:37 <nox-> you are soo right luke-jr_
Oct 01 23:47:01 <nox-> sivang, im cheating i ssh to a bsd box and run trn4...
Oct 01 23:47:10 <sivang> nox-: heh
Oct 01 23:47:17 <luke-jr_> once upon a time I wrote a discussion group server that supported frontends for email (mailing list style), NNTP, and phpBB2…
Oct 01 23:47:22 <sivang> I can try and do it on my server actually, and then I Might not need gmail at all!
Oct 01 23:47:48 <luke-jr_> storing messages losslessly in their native/original formats internally, as well as convertible metadata
Oct 01 23:47:56 <Carneque> what should i download on my computer so i can update my schedule there and sync my phone with it?
Oct 01 23:48:29 <sivang> perhaps other than proper email
Oct 01 23:48:29 <luke-jr_> Carneque: in theory, you can probably use any standard calendar app and git or bazaar
Oct 01 23:48:50 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr_: WUT??
Oct 01 23:48:59 <nox-> sivang, i run mutt on the bsd box too :)
Oct 01 23:49:09 <sivang> nox-: ah mutt! me long lost friend
Oct 01 23:49:10 <luke-jr_> DocScrutinizer: don't tell me Maemo isn't standards compliant for calendar? :/
Oct 01 23:49:26 <sivang> it is isn't it?
Oct 01 23:49:30 <sivang> ther'es a paper about that somehwere
Oct 01 23:49:32 <DocScrutinizer> wtf has calendar of any form to deal with git??
Oct 01 23:49:37 <Carneque> hmmm ive never heard of git or bazaar
Oct 01 23:49:39 <luke-jr_> DocScrutinizer: for syncing
Oct 01 23:49:51 <luke-jr_> all my PIM data is in a Bazaar repo
Oct 01 23:49:57 <hatake_kakashi> sivang, not really, your friend has different needs and wants compared to me.. I still would have loved to have my very own first linux phone
Oct 01 23:49:59 * DocScrutinizer scratches head, extendedly
Oct 01 23:50:07 <nox-> sivang, and i even have a local nntpd for a few lists that i dont read via gmane
Oct 01 23:50:16 <luke-jr_> DocScrutinizer: efficient sync and merging capable
Oct 01 23:50:18 <sivang> hatake_kakashi: sure, I was not saiying it can come instead of a linux phone
Oct 01 23:50:32 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr_: sounds nifty
Oct 01 23:50:38 <Carneque> this is basic functionality isnt it?
Oct 01 23:50:43 <sivang> nox-: that's 7133t
Oct 01 23:50:45 <luke-jr_> DocScrutinizer: my maildir is also in git
Oct 01 23:51:03 <luke-jr_> DocScrutinizer: and I have a server-side script that automatically makes commits for changes (monitored with inotify)
Oct 01 23:51:07 <Carneque> i would think peeps wuld be all over developing that
Oct 01 23:51:08 <hatake_kakashi> sivang, not for me, I thought symbian would have been more flexible than that motorola crap OS I had on me lost motorola v3
Oct 01 23:51:18 <hatake_kakashi> alas that wasn't the case
Oct 01 23:51:19 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr_: that's damn nifty for sure
Oct 01 23:51:52 <luke-jr_> DocScrutinizer: works well, even with ~220 folders and over 700,000 messages
Oct 01 23:52:02 <Carneque> is anyone interested in a project like that?
Oct 01 23:52:05 <DocScrutinizer> Carneque: take it. Nobody of the devs really is using outlook
Oct 01 23:52:08 <sivang> hatake_kakashi: well depends on what you're used to I guess. I've only had Samsungs and Ericsson and they were not customiziable anough to my taste
Oct 01 23:52:14 <luke-jr_> anything else would take forever to sync that… but git can pull it off snappy
Oct 01 23:52:20 <luke-jr_> so I get real-time backups ;)
Oct 01 23:52:24 <sivang> bzr new knit format is cool, yes
Oct 01 23:52:25 <sivang> "new"
Oct 01 23:52:27 <luke-jr_> (it pushes to my local desktop too)
Oct 01 23:52:32 <sivang> it is not that much new by now
Oct 01 23:52:47 <sivang> so how od I get back the root mode?
Oct 01 23:52:51 <sivang> hmm
Oct 01 23:52:53 <sivang> through HAM?
Oct 01 23:52:54 <luke-jr_> …
Oct 01 23:52:58 <luke-jr_> sudo -i -H
Oct 01 23:53:09 <sivang> luke-jr_: ah, thanks
Oct 01 23:53:11 <Carneque> i guess im confused... i dont need outlook just something like it on the desktop
Oct 01 23:53:16 <nox-> or the rootsh package
Oct 01 23:53:32 <luke-jr_> Carneque: honestly, I maintain 3 independent calendars
Oct 01 23:53:36 <luke-jr_> one of which is Maemo's
Oct 01 23:53:42 <hatake_kakashi> sivang, or there's always the option to ignore mainstream developers at the time and head for linux phones :) remember trolltech qtopia? :)
Oct 01 23:53:45 <luke-jr_> the other, KDE's on my desktop
Oct 01 23:53:47 <sivang> also the prompt changes, so I don't get the ncie "/home/user>" anymore
Oct 01 23:53:55 <luke-jr_> finally, a custom one I wrote for a weekly unchanging stuff
Oct 01 23:53:56 <DocScrutinizer> Carneque: aiui sync to a evolution server is pretty much ootb. So if you're using standard gnome/linux
Oct 01 23:54:01 <sivang> hatake_kakashi: never had ti, but read about it yes.
Oct 01 23:54:20 <sivang> hatake_kakashi: quite rad in my view, and predicted a bit of the future if I may say
Oct 01 23:54:20 * luke-jr_ glares at DocScrutinizer for putting 'gnome' and 'standard' together
Oct 01 23:54:37 <Carneque> evolution server
Oct 01 23:54:41 <Carneque> hmmm
Oct 01 23:54:52 * DocScrutinizer is amazed to type the cgar seqence starting with 'g' at all
Oct 01 23:54:52 <luke-jr_> hmm, my maildir git repo is 25 GB now…
Oct 01 23:55:00 <DocScrutinizer> g* == EVIL
Oct 01 23:55:13 <Carneque> i then setup a server to manage my calendar?
Oct 01 23:55:15 <sivang> luke-jr_: asks for a password
Oct 01 23:55:20 <luke-jr_> sivang: so give it
Oct 01 23:55:25 <sivang> luke-jr_: the root one?
Oct 01 23:55:32 <hatake_kakashi> sivang, it made me droll but it was not available in shops around my area at the time.. I still would have loved to own it compared to what has been my epic time of using mainstream brands of phones until n900
Oct 01 23:55:32 <DocScrutinizer> Carneque: a server in unix is a process, not a box
Oct 01 23:56:18 <DocScrutinizer> Carneque: you got several servers on your N900 even
Oct 01 23:56:29 <Carneque> i worked in debian and never heard that term explained like that im still fresh though
Oct 01 23:56:46 <DocScrutinizer> most commonly known is X server
Oct 01 23:57:06 <sivang> luke-jr_: have no idea what the password it, /me tries to install rootsh from HAM
Oct 01 23:57:08 <Carneque> which is a box right?
Oct 01 23:57:49 <DocScrutinizer> Carneque: wikipedia is your friend
Oct 01 23:58:08 * sivang don't get why restore did not reinstall the rootsh package and since he did not erase the .bash* stuff why everytning changed for the prompt settings etc
Oct 01 23:58:11 <Carneque> yeah but im in a chattin mood
Oct 01 23:59:20 <sivang> anyway, time to continuw with this tomorrow
Oct 01 23:59:26 <sivang> byte all! thanks for all the fish!
Oct 01 23:59:34 <Carneque> nice
Oct 01 23:59:38 <sivang> (and for teaching how to fish)
Oct 01 23:59:46 <sivang> err, bye all, that is.
Oct 02 00:00:09 <Carneque> nite all im out too
Oct 02 00:00:34 <Carneque> ill check out git and bizaar thanks for the advice
Oct 02 00:00:34 <DocScrutinizer> sivang: pkgs installed via apt-get aren't backup'd. Just a kind reminder. Also a hint: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Oct 02 00:02:36 <luke-jr_> [18:55:50] <DocScrutinizer> most commonly known is X server
Oct 02 00:02:38 <luke-jr_> [18:56:12] <Carneque> which is a box right?
Oct 02 00:02:39 <luke-jr_> LOL
Oct 02 00:03:06 <DocScrutinizer> I was amazingly calm and reluctant, no?
Oct 02 00:03:32 <nox-> DocScrutinizer, you seen this ticket?  https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6009
Oct 02 00:03:33 <povbot`> Bug 6009: "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications
Oct 02 00:03:49 <luke-jr_> wrong is subjective
Oct 02 00:03:51 <luke-jr_> :p
Oct 02 00:03:53 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, not yet
Oct 02 00:03:53 <nox-> theres a patched .deb in there (and also my workaround)
Oct 02 00:07:58 <nox-> luke-jr_, well a `real' xterm doesnt send an esc sequence for keypad enter either
Oct 02 00:09:57 <nox-> well or at least not a wrong one :)
Oct 02 00:40:03 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools :-D Thanks
Oct 02 00:41:00 <nox-> yw :)
Oct 02 01:04:38 <yacc_> any idea why an installed applet (flashlight-applet) doews not showup?
Oct 02 01:05:49 <luke-jr_> yacc_: it only shows up when the shutter is open, and the Camera app off
Oct 02 01:06:19 <DocScrutinizer> yacc_: flashlight applet only shows up in system status menu
Oct 02 01:06:59 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr_: actually it also shows when camera is still active, but it's useless :-P
Oct 02 01:07:24 <luke-jr_> [20:05:24] <halberd> you can be like jabba if you eat 10,000 calories a day- 5 loaves of bread at $2 a loaf
Oct 02 01:07:34 <luke-jr_> [20:05:33] <luke-jr_> Jabba isn't a human
Oct 02 01:07:35 <luke-jr_> [20:05:43] <halberd> jabba isn't real luke-jr
Oct 02 01:07:44 <luke-jr_> tell me he's lying!
Oct 02 01:08:19 <DocScrutinizer> who's jabba?
Oct 02 01:09:33 <luke-jr_> Jabba the Hut!
Oct 02 01:09:47 <luke-jr_> you know, Pizza the Hut's cousin?
Oct 02 01:10:38 <DocScrutinizer51> nfc
Oct 02 01:10:42 <luke-jr_> …
Oct 02 01:10:47 <luke-jr_> are you serious? O.o
Oct 02 01:11:45 <luke-jr_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabba_the_Hutt
Oct 02 01:17:23 <raster> MUHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
Oct 02 01:27:36 <DocScrutinizer> raster: ??? :-D
Oct 02 01:28:09 <raster> thats what jabba would say
Oct 02 01:28:55 <DocScrutinizer> aah, ok. I prefer hypnotoad
Oct 02 01:29:11 <DocScrutinizer> r33b.net
Oct 02 01:39:48 <newbie007> does anyone know how to animate a svg image on the n900.. I'm thinking of going javascript/setTimeout .. any better ideas?
Oct 02 01:41:39 <newbie007> fyi the clock is svg based, not sure if animation is supported "smil"?
Oct 02 01:51:50 <TiagoTiago> hi
Oct 02 01:52:38 <TiagoTiago> seems i might have somehow messed up the thing that autolocks the keysa and screen, it's set to do it but the screen stays lit and responding
Oct 02 01:53:57 <TiagoTiago> i/e already treid rebooting as well as unsetting and setting it again
Oct 02 01:54:52 <TiagoTiago> i've*
Oct 02 01:56:53 <TiagoTiago> any idea how i can figure out how to fix this?
Oct 02 01:58:55 <DocScrutinizer51> try replacing mce.ini with a clean version
Oct 02 02:04:08 <TiagoTiago> can i paste the current contents of that file on  pastebin for you to check if ythere is any bad parameters?
Oct 02 02:06:23 <TiagoTiago> http://pastebin.com/TGqjDe2u <- if you're willing
Oct 02 02:35:43 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, no obvious odds
Oct 02 02:36:20 <DocScrutinizer> TiagoTiago: maybe you switched to "screen always on" in any app, like xchat?
Oct 02 02:36:33 <pupnik> ttp://www.engadget.com/2010/07/22/blindtype-vows-to-autocorrect-all-wrongs-by-replacing-your-virtu/    Ok, here's an invention I wish i'd had.  "Blindtype" for android.
Oct 02 02:38:09 <Termana> Looks like you could use it to mitigate you missing your h key as well
Oct 02 02:47:53 <pupnik> oh sorry
Oct 02 02:48:18 <pupnik> nevertheless it's fun to try to think of how one would implement that
Oct 02 02:50:36 <pupnik> ""Our application permissions model protects against this type of threat. When installing an application, users see a screen that explains clearly what information and system resources the application has permission to access, such as a user's phone number or sending an SMS. Users must explicitly approve this access in order to continue with the installation"  << google on the recent virus announcement
Oct 02 02:52:18 <Termana> pupnik, android virus? It's not like what google is saying isn't true - it DOES show you in fine grain detail what the application is allowed to do
Oct 02 02:54:22 <pupnik> Termana: that's quite a nice feature, actually
Oct 02 02:57:25 <DocScrutinizer> SElinux?
Oct 02 02:57:36 <DocScrutinizer> AppArmor?
Oct 02 02:57:59 <DocScrutinizer> damn, we have that since ages, not like a new invention of google
Oct 02 02:58:49 <nox-> tho maemo isnt using it (right? :)
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