**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 10 02:59:57 2010
Oct 10 04:02:19 <ieatlint> maemo 5pr1.2 has qtmobility 1.0 stuff right?
Oct 10 04:15:00 <GAN900> ieatlint, air shows are FUN.
Oct 10 04:15:28 <ieatlint> not as fun when they're buzzing your house
Oct 10 04:15:34 <ieatlint> fireworks just finished for it
Oct 10 04:15:48 * GAN900 has lived under a flight path for the local municipal airport for most of his life and fails to notice aircraft.
Oct 10 04:16:05 <GAN900> Also: CentCom flies jets over all the time.
Oct 10 04:16:56 <ieatlint> it's different when an F-18 flies 500 feet above your apartment at 800+km/h
Oct 10 04:18:15 <GAN900> ieatlint, how about F-15s? :P
Oct 10 04:19:09 <ieatlint> don't think any F-15s were part of it
Oct 10 04:20:54 <ieatlint> there was an F-16 and 5 F-18s
Oct 10 04:21:06 <ieatlint> and several other types of aircraft, but i think those were the only jets
Oct 10 05:16:57 <opdf2> tmo?
Oct 10 06:38:23 <OCTOLITHIC> So what's the word on the next MeeGo device?
Oct 10 06:46:13 * MohammadAG51 wakes up
Oct 10 06:46:37 <MohammadAG51> OCTOLITHIC, wrong channel, nothing official though
Oct 10 06:58:09 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Oct 10 06:58:20 <Stskeeps> morn jaffa
Oct 10 06:58:57 <MohammadAG51> morning Jaffa
Oct 10 07:08:24 <Jaffa> Reigstering a new URI schema (e.g. 'wtai') should be a case of: creating a .desktop file which points at a service which can handle something via DBUS; and then adding the desktop & URI scheme to /usr/share/applications/uri-action-defaults.list?
Oct 10 07:19:58 <Jaffa> http://wiki.maemo.org/URL_Handler - excellent
Oct 10 07:24:30 * MohammadAG51 lurks in #ubuntu-release-party 
Oct 10 07:24:59 * johnx already runs 10.10 on 4ish machines
Oct 10 07:25:12 <MohammadAG51> johnx, RC here
Oct 10 07:25:26 <johnx> even runs well on PPC (!!)
Oct 10 07:25:39 <MohammadAG51> the beta and RC were epic
Oct 10 07:25:45 <MohammadAG51> lucid was a big fail
Oct 10 07:26:03 <johnx> and I finally switched from gnome-do's dock-mode to docky
Oct 10 07:26:05 <johnx> win all around
Oct 10 08:35:16 <MohammadAG51> wow, linux/routers are sometimes retarded, my N900 and my laptop had the same IP assigned
Oct 10 08:35:44 <johnx> heh
Oct 10 08:35:56 <johnx> our juniper netscreen does that at work :)
Oct 10 08:36:04 <psycho_oreos> which brand of router you got?
Oct 10 08:36:07 <johnx> which distro is it running?
Oct 10 08:36:25 <psycho_oreos> or software router
Oct 10 08:36:59 <johnx> psycho_oreos, all linux routers are software routers ;)
Oct 10 08:37:07 <MohammadAG51> New TP-Link, stock, still haven't ddwrt'd it
Oct 10 08:37:20 <johnx> an, the 1043WNDR or something like that?
Oct 10 08:37:48 * johnx has one with the latest openwrt. been working really nicely
Oct 10 08:38:07 <MohammadAG51> nah, couldn't find that one
Oct 10 08:39:23 <psycho_oreos> johnx, MohammadAG51 said his is linux/router so it could just be a router or a linux distro on a router. Plus I find standard software on the SOHO routers substandard.
Oct 10 08:39:49 <MohammadAG51> psycho_oreos, both my N900 and laptop run linux
Oct 10 08:40:20 <psycho_oreos> even though they are running linux as base (which most of them do)
Oct 10 08:40:57 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG51, I meant your router :)
Oct 10 08:45:58 <MohammadAG51> wtf
Oct 10 08:46:04 <MohammadAG51> my battery went from 75 to red bar
Oct 10 08:46:35 <psycho_oreos> bad battery? ;)
Oct 10 08:46:49 <johnx> high load?
Oct 10 08:47:02 <MohammadAG51> nope
Oct 10 08:47:15 <psycho_oreos> using mobile broadband?
Oct 10 08:47:36 <MohammadAG51> wifi
Oct 10 08:48:09 <psycho_oreos> is wifi on any power saving mode?
Oct 10 08:48:50 <MohammadAG51> yes, intermediate
Oct 10 08:49:37 <psycho_oreos> humm, maybe lots of data transfers to and fro?
Oct 10 08:50:08 <MohammadAG51> but i took it off the charger an hour ago
Oct 10 08:51:28 <psycho_oreos> still, if your using stuff like VNC and/or sshfs (actively transfer) it may use a fair bit *shrugs*
Oct 10 08:51:42 <MohammadAG51> nope, no vnc or ssh
Oct 10 08:51:47 <MohammadAG51> i'm only on xchat
Oct 10 08:51:53 <kerio> "only"
Oct 10 08:52:51 <MohammadAG51> wtf
Oct 10 08:53:04 <MohammadAG51> xorg's taking +50% cpu usage
Oct 10 08:53:19 <BCMM> xrestop
Oct 10 08:54:09 <BCMM> i know it isn't for CPU usage, but in my experience, the application that's to blame tends to hog other stuff too
Oct 10 09:52:14 <xDaReaperx> Hi is there any application IRC ?
Oct 10 09:52:21 <Stskeeps> xchat..
Oct 10 09:52:21 <xDaReaperx> to discuss issues with Applications
Oct 10 09:52:23 <Stskeeps> morning andre__
Oct 10 09:52:47 <xDaReaperx> no i mean could i discuss the issues relating to Theme Customizer software for the N900 ?
Oct 10 09:52:59 <Stskeeps> er.. no idea
Oct 10 09:53:07 <xDaReaperx> ...
Oct 10 09:53:07 <Stskeeps> andre__: saw your bugs BoF got approved btw?
Oct 10 09:53:54 <andre__> Stskeeps, uh, no. nice
Oct 10 09:54:02 <andre__> though Eric and me plan to merge our talks :-P
Oct 10 09:56:26 <Stskeeps> andre__: well, if you're letting go of the slot let us know asap :)
Oct 10 09:56:53 <Stskeeps> or repurpose it
Oct 10 10:01:03 <andre__> yupp, will do
Oct 10 10:01:16 <Stskeeps> i found out i actually had a meego arm slot too, so :P
Oct 10 10:01:22 <Stskeeps> and i'm even on the bloody committee
Oct 10 10:01:22 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 10 10:01:33 <johnx> xDaReaperx, this is the general maemo IRC channel. here would probably be a fine place to ask
Oct 10 10:02:14 <xDaReaperx> well i wanted to know if The theme-customizer app is compatible with the Kinetic scrolling edit by Mohammad
Oct 10 10:02:45 <xDaReaperx> and the two two column task switcher
Oct 10 10:08:17 <xDaReaperx> no idea is it ?
Oct 10 10:12:40 <andre__> xDaReaperx, why shouldn't it be compatible?
Oct 10 10:13:22 <xDaReaperx> no i wonder if it wouldn't be , cause last time i installed some app from the devel i had to reflash
Oct 10 10:13:39 <xDaReaperx> so this time i'd bettah not take the risk
Oct 10 10:25:02 <andre__> xDaReaperx, well, "devel".
Oct 10 10:25:25 <xDaReaperx> yeah i understand
Oct 10 10:25:45 <johnx> xDaReaperx, asking is the smart thing to do. and you're one of the first people I've seen who has stopped by to ask ;)
Oct 10 10:25:54 <johnx> if I had the answer, I'd definitely tell you
Oct 10 10:26:05 <xDaReaperx> Oh thanks a lot :D
Oct 10 10:55:25 <dRbiG> hmm
Oct 10 10:55:44 <dRbiG> dns stopped working while using usb connection
Oct 10 10:55:47 <dRbiG> wtf
Oct 10 10:56:03 <dRbiG> it worked perfectly yesterday
Oct 10 11:16:54 <dRbiG> does maemo come with sth like cron?
Oct 10 11:17:10 <MohammadAG51> alarmd
Oct 10 11:17:45 <dRbiG> can i use it like cron? ie. for execution of commands
Oct 10 11:21:00 <DocScrutinizer2> alarmed even
Oct 10 11:21:28 <DocScrutinizer2> alarmed has cron-alike syntax for cmdline
Oct 10 11:21:38 <DocScrutinizer2> :-D
Oct 10 11:22:00 <DocScrutinizer2> (guess who suggested that :-P )
Oct 10 11:22:26 <dRbiG> yeah, right now i have another new problem: i made the dns work, but app manager asks me to connect to a network... i'm connected through the usb and all is working
Oct 10 11:22:47 <dRbiG> it seems as the gui world part of maemo doesn't see that i'm connected
Oct 10 11:23:07 <dRbiG> that would also go in pair with the fact that the dns wasn't setup automagically
Oct 10 11:23:49 <dRbiG> ehh
Oct 10 11:31:34 <DocScrutinizer2> just in case you are puzzled: alarmd is a daemon like crond & atd, while alarmed is the UI like crontab
Oct 10 11:31:56 <DocScrutinizer2> only much smarter :-D
Oct 10 11:32:03 <timeless_mbp> why would anyone be puzzled by that!? :)
Oct 10 11:33:34 <DocScrutinizer> quite a number of people thought I mistyped
Oct 10 11:34:02 <DocScrutinizer> not noticing there's an app pkg called alarmed (with 'e')
Oct 10 11:34:12 <luke-jr_> DocScrutinizer: sounds like an argument for Android replacing X11 with whatever :p
Oct 10 11:34:26 <luke-jr_> cron is the *nix standard, not some proprietary alarmd
Oct 10 11:34:45 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr_: can't bother at all
Oct 10 11:35:17 <DocScrutinizer> cron is completely unsuited for usage on a mobile device
Oct 10 11:35:33 <luke-jr_> why?
Oct 10 11:35:51 <timeless_mbp> luke-jr:  x11 sucks
Oct 10 11:35:59 <timeless_mbp> everyone in their right mind replaces it :)
Oct 10 11:36:09 <kerio> x11 is great
Oct 10 11:36:19 <luke-jr_> timeless_mbp: so nobody?
Oct 10 11:36:19 <kerio> you can open windows through a network
Oct 10 11:36:20 <Stskeeps> luke-jr_: alarmd is open
Oct 10 11:36:20 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 10 11:36:20 <kerio> OH WAIT
Oct 10 11:36:24 <timeless_mbp> um, Photon and RDP are great
Oct 10 11:36:30 <DocScrutinizer> maybe because they didn't concern about battery consumption when developing crond ?
Oct 10 11:36:35 <luke-jr_> Stskeeps: still non-standard <.<
Oct 10 11:36:39 <Stskeeps> luke-jr_: no u
Oct 10 11:36:56 <luke-jr_> DocScrutinizer: cron is a standard, not a specific implementation
Oct 10 11:37:14 <luke-jr_> there are at least 4 implementations of cron, and there could be a 5th if they weren't suitable
Oct 10 11:37:25 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr_: I suggest a symling from crond to alarmd :-P
Oct 10 11:37:33 <DocScrutinizer> symlink
Oct 10 11:38:01 <timeless_mbp> luke-jr: where's the standard for cron?
Oct 10 11:38:06 <timeless_mbp> http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/crontab.html has stuff for crontab
Oct 10 11:38:11 <DocScrutinizer> the fastest lowest effort implementation of your life
Oct 10 11:38:15 <luke-jr_> timeless_mbp: nfc
Oct 10 11:38:41 <timeless_mbp> luke-jr:  if you can't point to it, it doesn't exist!
Oct 10 11:39:02 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: don't feed the troll X-P
Oct 10 11:39:10 <luke-jr_> you just did
Oct 10 11:39:20 <timeless_mbp> luke-jr: that's for the app which manages it
Oct 10 11:39:21 <DocScrutinizer> applies to me as well, yes
Oct 10 11:39:27 <psycho_oreos> alarmd is woeful, after a few days of uptime with device and alarm going off, it takes at least 5 seconds before the UI acknowledges the user has already pressed a specified button.. and all that time it has been sounding away assuming user has yet to press a button
Oct 10 11:39:29 <timeless_mbp> it's legal for a standard to define an access method
Oct 10 11:39:33 <timeless_mbp> without defining a file format
Oct 10 11:39:49 <timeless_mbp> you claimed cron (the engine or the control format) was standard
Oct 10 11:39:53 <timeless_mbp> my reference is to an editor
Oct 10 11:40:07 <luke-jr_> timeless_mbp: read your link
Oct 10 11:40:14 <timeless_mbp> i tried to
Oct 10 11:40:17 <luke-jr_> it defines the format
Oct 10 11:40:25 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: not alarmd's fault
Oct 10 11:40:33 <psycho_oreos> and if alarmd was superior to crond why is alarmed using crond?
Oct 10 11:40:44 <timeless_mbp> luke-jr: where?
Oct 10 11:40:45 <luke-jr_> psycho_oreos: I wish it were that good
Oct 10 11:40:57 <luke-jr_> timeless_mbp: "INPUT FILES"
Oct 10 11:41:16 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, well not exactly but its not like alarmd is fault free either
Oct 10 11:41:21 <luke-jr_> as it is, Maemo's alarm never works for me anymore it seems :/
Oct 10 11:41:44 <timeless_mbp> ooh, i can't schedule a cron to run at minute 60 :(
Oct 10 11:41:46 <timeless_mbp> lame
Oct 10 11:41:52 <timeless_mbp> (or was it second 60? whatever)
Oct 10 11:42:04 <timeless_mbp> (probably second 60 actually)
Oct 10 11:42:19 <luke-jr_> timeless_mbp: cron doesn't support sub-minute resolution
Oct 10 11:42:26 <timeless_mbp> lame :)
Oct 10 11:42:42 <luke-jr_> ooh, cron doesn't support Tonal units. lame ☹
Oct 10 11:42:44 <luke-jr_> :P
Oct 10 11:43:23 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, luke-jr_ seems doesn't support a --nontroll option - lame ;-P
Oct 10 11:43:24 <luke-jr_> actually, on a serious note, cron's inability to support sub-minute resolution prevents it from kicking the battery charger's watchdog ☹
Oct 10 11:43:42 <timeless_mbp> heh
Oct 10 11:43:43 <luke-jr_> DocScrutinizer: RTFM. It's -D or something
Oct 10 11:43:45 <timeless_mbp> sleep()
Oct 10 11:44:53 <DocScrutinizer> probably +q
Oct 10 11:44:56 <timeless_mbp> do people really use the % feature?
Oct 10 11:46:02 <DocScrutinizer> ??
Oct 10 11:46:54 <timeless_mbp> see my url
Oct 10 11:46:59 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Oct 10 11:47:07 <timeless_mbp> (example 2)
Oct 10 11:47:11 <timeless_mbp> 0 12 14 2 * mailx john%Happy Birthday!%Time for lunch.
Oct 10 11:47:30 <DocScrutinizer> wtf?
Oct 10 11:47:58 <timeless_mbp> luke-jr: so..
Oct 10 11:48:03 <timeless_mbp> RATIONALE
Oct 10 11:48:03 <timeless_mbp> All references to a cron daemon and to cron files have been omitted. Although historical implementations have used this arrangement, there is no reason to limit future implementations.
Oct 10 11:48:20 <timeless_mbp> technically the file isn't required to exist. so there =b
Oct 10 11:48:27 <luke-jr_> what file?
Oct 10 11:48:38 <timeless_mbp> i was right in surmising that crontab is merely an api for editing/viewiing
Oct 10 11:48:49 <timeless_mbp> there need not necessarily be a real file w/ that format :)
Oct 10 11:48:53 <DocScrutinizer> as is alarmed
Oct 10 11:48:53 <luke-jr_> I wasn't talking about anything else
Oct 10 11:49:10 <timeless_mbp> you seemed to claim that 'cron' was a standard
Oct 10 11:49:19 <luke-jr_> 'cron' to me means the standard :P
Oct 10 11:49:21 <timeless_mbp> my link clearly shows that only 'crontab' (an editor) is a standard
Oct 10 11:49:29 <timeless_mbp> well, you're wrong!
Oct 10 11:49:33 <luke-jr_> pedantic!
Oct 10 11:49:43 <timeless_mbp> that's the whole goal of standards!
Oct 10 11:49:44 <DocScrutinizer> hahahahahahaaa
Oct 10 11:50:30 * DocScrutinizer prints >>[2010-10-10 13:47:34] <luke-jr_> pedantic!<< in 60PT and pins it to the wall
Oct 10 11:50:32 <luke-jr_> where does it say "it is forbidden to refer to this standard as 'cron'"?
Oct 10 11:50:32 <dRbiG> oh, alarmed provides some 'built-in' functions
Oct 10 11:50:33 <dRbiG> nice
Oct 10 11:50:45 <dRbiG> wonder if i can add more than one built-in to an event
Oct 10 11:51:22 <dRbiG> okey, seeing the list of built-ins my question is irrelevant
Oct 10 11:51:29 <DocScrutinizer> dRbiG: nope, this suggestion of mine isn't yet implemented to alarmed
Oct 10 11:51:57 <dRbiG> DocScrutinizer: with that amount of built-ins it doesn't matter
Oct 10 11:52:14 <timeless_mbp> luke-jr:  you can call an apple a pear, but that doesn't make it one
Oct 10 11:52:19 <dRbiG> i was hoping to find sth like 'connect to wifi' etc.; a lot more built-ins
Oct 10 11:52:28 <DocScrutinizer> you can even extend the 'built-ins' with your own definitions
Oct 10 11:52:32 <dRbiG> but that's not a problem, i'll just write a script for what i want
Oct 10 11:53:06 <DocScrutinizer> dRbiG: yep
Oct 10 11:54:03 <DocScrutinizer> actually Shapeshifter did an amazing job by implementing alarmed
Oct 10 11:58:50 <dRbiG> another topic: can i somehow get the info about the package (like description, from which repository it came, etc.) using apt-*/dpkg?
Oct 10 11:59:25 <DocScrutinizer> apt-cache --help
Oct 10 12:00:06 <air> does bluetooth support multiple connected devices?
Oct 10 12:00:08 <DocScrutinizer> dpkg -S ;#iirc
Oct 10 12:00:26 <DocScrutinizer> air: a good question
Oct 10 12:00:32 <SpeedEvil> yes air.
Oct 10 12:00:43 <SpeedEvil> (neglecting the API/hardware of the n900)
Oct 10 12:00:44 <air> thanks
Oct 10 12:01:01 <DocScrutinizer> seems it's limited to 4 connections, while standard requires 8 - afaik
Oct 10 12:01:31 <DocScrutinizer> (the N900 BT that is)
Oct 10 12:02:01 <DocScrutinizer> also that's not applicable for all BT profiles aiui
Oct 10 12:02:40 <DocScrutinizer> e.g. it seems you can't connect two BT headsets concurrently
Oct 10 12:02:47 <SpeedEvil> a2dp for example has limits
Oct 10 12:05:40 <DocScrutinizer> aiui only bt pan actually supports multiple connected devices. But I have to admit I haven't wrapped my head around it
Oct 10 12:07:00 <DocScrutinizer> air: probably bluez ML and/or channel is a beter place to discuss this :-)
Oct 10 12:07:40 <Bash1> Hey Guys :)
Oct 10 12:07:53 <DocScrutinizer> lo Bash1
Oct 10 12:08:26 <Bash1> how are you guys doing on this fine day?
Oct 10 12:08:39 * MohammadAG51 is studying chemistry, grr
Oct 10 12:08:46 <MohammadAG51> o/ Bash1
Oct 10 12:09:03 <SpeedEvil> I am pondering white goods.
Oct 10 12:09:17 <DocScrutinizer> whatever that means
Oct 10 12:09:26 <SpeedEvil> Specifically, whether to get a stupidly large, or a ridiculously large chest freezer.
Oct 10 12:09:27 * MohammadAG51 stabs perverted mind :P
Oct 10 12:09:36 <MohammadAG51> Oh!
Oct 10 12:09:41 <MohammadAG51> silly me :p
Oct 10 12:10:14 <SpeedEvil> http://www.appliancesonline.co.uk/product/RCNAA33P-Hotpoint-Chest-Freezer-White-15798.aspx
Oct 10 12:10:21 <MohammadAG51> DocScrutinizer, solved the lag issue, psm was causing it
Oct 10 12:10:38 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, so white goods is actually "weisse ware"
Oct 10 12:10:47 <MohammadAG51> as well as both my laptop and N900 having the same ip
Oct 10 12:10:50 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG51: :-D
Oct 10 12:11:01 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Oct 10 12:11:09 <MohammadAG51> DHCP fails sometimes
Oct 10 12:11:21 <BCMM> MohammadAG51: you assigned the same address to two devices, and your biggest problem was *lag*?
Oct 10 12:11:33 <DocScrutinizer> IP collisions can bring down whole server farms :-P
Oct 10 12:11:34 <MohammadAG51> BCMM, i didn't
Oct 10 12:11:36 <MohammadAG51> router did
Oct 10 12:11:43 <BCMM> burn it
Oct 10 12:11:45 <noodles900> my mobile ISP blocks all gmail, hotmail, yahoo mail account login pages ! wtf!?
Oct 10 12:11:49 <MohammadAG51> it's new xD
Oct 10 12:11:54 <BCMM> noodles900: you need a new ISP
Oct 10 12:12:02 <noodles900> there only is one
Oct 10 12:12:07 <BCMM> noodles900: are you in china?
Oct 10 12:12:10 <MohammadAG51> make a new one
Oct 10 12:12:15 <MohammadAG51> LOL
Oct 10 12:12:21 <noodles900> BCMM: close ;)
Oct 10 12:12:24 <SpeedEvil> noodles900: https probaly
Oct 10 12:12:29 <MohammadAG51> BCMM, that's kinda racist :P
Oct 10 12:12:36 <MohammadAG51> you associated noodles with china
Oct 10 12:12:43 <BCMM> MohammadAG51: heh
Oct 10 12:12:45 <SpeedEvil> Noodles are italian.
Oct 10 12:12:52 <noodles900> SpeedEvil: possibly indeed - it all goes through their crappy proxy
Oct 10 12:12:56 <BCMM> ofc, i was actually referring to the country with the most internet filtering
Oct 10 12:12:59 <DocScrutinizer> while everybody knows noodles are associated to Italy :-P
Oct 10 12:13:07 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: ITYM north korea
Oct 10 12:13:10 <BCMM> noodles900: i feel pretty ignorant; i don't actually know where .th is
Oct 10 12:13:15 <noodles900> BCMM: check my whois
Oct 10 12:13:20 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: not having internet doesn't really count
Oct 10 12:13:24 <noodles900> giyf ;)
Oct 10 12:13:28 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: It's where all the thighs are.
Oct 10 12:13:40 <BCMM> noodles900: ah, .th is thailand
Oct 10 12:13:44 <noodles900> SpeedEvil: indeed - and you should see them
Oct 10 12:14:06 <BCMM> noodles900: so you only have one mobile network? (or only one which does internet)
Oct 10 12:14:18 <noodles900> yep
Oct 10 12:14:44 <BCMM> noodles900: any idea why? can you use those from "normal" ISPs in your country?
Oct 10 12:15:07 <noodles900> define "normal" ;) everything here is sniffed
Oct 10 12:15:26 <BCMM> noodles900: i mean, is it a government thing, or is it just that ISP?
Oct 10 12:15:38 <BCMM> noodles900: do you know how they block it? if it isn't illegal and stuff, maybe you can just use a different DNS server?
Oct 10 12:15:39 <noodles900> I need a ssl irc ;)
Oct 10 12:15:40 <DocScrutinizer> noodles900: ever tried an open proxy?
Oct 10 12:16:47 <noodles900> DocScrutinizer: it goes through the ISP's proxy first . port 8080
Oct 10 12:17:06 <DocScrutinizer> noodles900: VPN to a box in free Europe :-D
Oct 10 12:17:32 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: hmm, where is that these days?
Oct 10 12:17:52 <BCMM> sweden?
Oct 10 12:17:57 <DocScrutinizer> extending from my chair to at least my flat's door
Oct 10 12:18:25 <DocScrutinizer> well Germany still pretty good
Oct 10 12:18:46 <DocScrutinizer> regarding privacy and neutrality of net services
Oct 10 12:19:06 <DocScrutinizer> sweden and holland also OK I guess
Oct 10 12:20:10 <BCMM> maybe he can't - do you have an actual internet connection from your phone, or are you just on a LAN with an HTTP proxy?
Oct 10 12:20:27 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: what's the name of that Nokia tech preview for that Finland based proxy service?
Oct 10 12:20:48 <timeless_mbp> err, i thought it was .us based
Oct 10 12:20:54 <timeless_mbp> it was ipv6 something
Oct 10 12:20:56 <DocScrutinizer> maybe
Oct 10 12:20:58 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Oct 10 12:21:22 <DocScrutinizer> might be exactly what noodles900 needs
Oct 10 12:22:01 * timeless_mbp kicks adium for being stupid
Oct 10 12:23:06 <noodles900> and then of course there are the frequent breakages...
Oct 10 12:24:57 <DocScrutinizer> MEH http://ipv6.nokia.net/
Oct 10 12:25:23 <DocScrutinizer> Offline Sorry for the inconvenience. Please check back at a later date.
Oct 10 12:26:14 <noodles900> sounds like my ISP :p
Oct 10 12:26:22 <timeless_mbp> yeah, that's the right link
Oct 10 12:27:27 * DocScrutinizer envisions a pentium box sending smoke signals, at Nokia
Oct 10 12:28:52 <DocScrutinizer> "well, this didn't pan out nicely. Oh my, let's start something new... How's about streaming video service?" X-P
Oct 10 12:29:29 <SpeedEvil> mynokiacam
Oct 10 12:29:31 <DocScrutinizer> ...intergrated to OVI - muhahaha
Oct 10 12:36:16 <DocScrutinizer> http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10092 :-D
Oct 10 12:40:36 <DrWilken> DocS: Nice :)
Oct 10 12:50:02 <pupnik_> what is on that link DocScrutinizer - requires flash. :/
Oct 10 12:50:43 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, it's just a N900.mp4 vid
Oct 10 12:51:41 <DocScrutinizer> showing MHD alt-tab alike window/task switching
Oct 10 12:51:55 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools for details
Oct 10 12:52:58 <DocScrutinizer> It's just so incredibly cool I felt like sharing
Oct 10 12:53:18 <DocScrutinizer> ~hail matan
Oct 10 12:53:19 * infobot bows down to matan and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
Oct 10 13:00:06 <BCMM> MHD?
Oct 10 13:00:55 <MohammadAG51> modified hildon-desktop
Oct 10 13:01:08 <DocScrutinizer> btw, as OVI had some weird problems authenticating my media share service on N900, I uploaded via webpage and laptop. OVI converts the mp4 to a flash video, and reduces resulution while streaming the whole thing in "HD" by default. This doesn't pan out on N900 microB - switching to "SD" (lower right of toolbar) greatly improves user experience in microB
Oct 10 13:02:16 <DocScrutinizer> in HD it's like slow-motion
Oct 10 13:02:37 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart OVI
Oct 10 13:02:38 * infobot throws OVI's poor little doggy off a cliff
Oct 10 13:04:14 <RST38h> Google has built a fleet of cars that drive themselves, and over the past several months, these robotic vehicles have driven over 140,000 miles on public roads
Oct 10 13:04:34 <DocScrutinizer> OMG
Oct 10 13:04:37 <RST38h> Next: attaching weaponry
Oct 10 13:05:47 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: you missed that step. It's obsolete meanwhile, rsp has been done years ago. Driving in battle field is much easier than in a public road, and it's already accomplished
Oct 10 13:06:06 <DrWilken> DocS - Just set it up... Yeah, it's cool... ;)
Oct 10 13:06:12 <DrWilken> Thx for sharing :)
Oct 10 13:06:16 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Oct 10 13:06:19 <Corsac> well, the point being to attach weaponry on public road :)
Oct 10 13:06:34 <RST38h> Who said they will drive with weapons on the battlefield?
Oct 10 13:06:49 <RST38h> Nooo, Doc, this is not what the robotic weaponry is for =)
Oct 10 13:07:02 <RST38h> Meanwhile: ...what the investigators experienced during their "life inside Foxconn" will simply add to the company's widespread reputation as a hideous workplace where employees commit suicide, are roughed-up by company goons (and then commit suicide), are exposed to toxic chemicals, and more...
Oct 10 13:07:02 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: where's the video?
Oct 10 13:07:07 <DocScrutinizer> Corsac: great plan! :-D probably cheaper to rip such a car, than to pay for automatic waepons delivered by russian maffia
Oct 10 13:07:24 <RST38h> Doc <-- missing the point
Oct 10 13:08:20 <DocScrutinizer> sivang: see backscroll?
Oct 10 13:09:03 <pupnik_> http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/  Debian+FreeBSD
Oct 10 13:10:15 <RST38h> Why do you need Debian there? FreeBSD is sufficient.
Oct 10 13:13:51 <erani>  /ignore #maemo joins parts quits modes
Oct 10 13:16:00 <DocScrutinizer> erani: :-D
Oct 10 13:16:26 <RST38h>    /ignore #maemo all
Oct 10 13:16:40 <DrWilken>  /ignore #maemo noti
Oct 10 13:16:47 <alterego> That's mean
Oct 10 13:16:57 <erani> O.o'
Oct 10 13:16:57 <alterego> I didn't even do anything :P
Oct 10 13:17:02 <_llll_> /ignore alterego
Oct 10 13:17:18 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: but can't find the video on your page at tmo
Oct 10 13:17:37 <erani> in busy channels i find more comfortable to ignore stuff except discussion. :P
Oct 10 13:17:45 <DocScrutinizer> there's no video on my tmo page (tmo????)
Oct 10 13:18:09 <DocScrutinizer> wmo maybe
Oct 10 13:18:11 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: talk.maemo.org
Oct 10 13:19:30 <DocScrutinizer> the vid is on ovi: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10092 - the details are on wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools - no tmo involved at all
Oct 10 13:20:20 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: so ovi agreed for it  eventually? :)
Oct 10 13:20:30 <DocScrutinizer> eh?
Oct 10 13:20:38 <sivang> DocScrutinizer: btw, if you want to keep files running, or anybody else for that matter, we should speak
Oct 10 13:20:45 <DrWilken> It's just a vid upload to OVI :)
Oct 10 13:21:32 <sivang> oh okay
Oct 10 13:21:36 <sivang> I got too passionate
Oct 10 13:21:40 <sivang> ;)
Oct 10 13:21:42 <DrWilken> :D
Oct 10 13:26:55 <BCMM> ooh, that's pretty neat
Oct 10 13:27:41 <MohammadAG51> the iPhone 4 beats the N900 at taking photos
Oct 10 13:27:54 <MohammadAG51> at least it doesn't spend ages taking a pic and processing it
Oct 10 13:28:24 <RST38h> MohammadAG: http://scalarmotion.wordpress.com/2009/03/15/propeller-image-aliasing/
Oct 10 13:28:26 <erani> N900 is a bit way older than iPhone 4 I think
Oct 10 13:28:49 <MohammadAG51> hmm, what's the processor in that POS?
Oct 10 13:31:16 <DocScrutinizer> POS?
Oct 10 13:31:55 <DocScrutinizer> aah
Oct 10 13:31:58 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Oct 10 13:32:00 <DocScrutinizer> ~pos
Oct 10 13:32:01 <infobot> See ibmpos
Oct 10 13:32:06 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Oct 10 13:32:10 <DocScrutinizer> ~ibmpos
Oct 10 13:32:11 <infobot> methinks ibmpos is IBM Piece Of S#$t or a stinking piece of antique technology made to drive programmers insane
Oct 10 13:32:46 <MSJ1983> hey
Oct 10 13:33:53 <BCMM> MohammadAG51: how much manual stuff does the iphone provide for photos?
Oct 10 13:35:14 <BCMM> RST38h: does the n900's camera do that?
Oct 10 13:35:16 <RST38h> Actually iPhone4 camera app is really good at image processing
Oct 10 13:35:20 <RST38h> BCMM: No idea
Oct 10 13:35:28 <RST38h> Prolly not though
Oct 10 13:36:01 <MSJ1983> halllo mohammadAG51... serached for you long time ... can i plz pm you???
Oct 10 13:36:01 <RST38h> iPhone creates visually attractive small images, loved by most non-photographers
Oct 10 13:36:48 <RST38h> at closer distance they are garbage of course, but so are most cameraphone photos anyway
Oct 10 13:38:27 <MSJ1983> are you there mohammedAG51????
Oct 10 13:39:57 <MSJ1983> oky somebody that knows mohammedag51 that can help me????
Oct 10 13:40:49 <MSJ1983> i have truble installeing a program called psfreedom on my nokia it says something about python2.5-qt4
Oct 10 13:40:55 <MSJ1983> how do i get it???
Oct 10 13:40:57 <MSJ1983> :-)
Oct 10 13:47:43 <DrWilken> MSJ1983 - It's in extras so You should be able to install it using the application manager - It's called "PyQt4 Full Install"
Oct 10 13:47:51 <DrWilken> http://maemo.org/packages/view/python2.5-qt4/
Oct 10 13:48:07 <MSJ1983> can i plz pm you
Oct 10 13:49:11 <DrWilken> psfreedom is in Extras-Devel so if You have Extras and Extras-Devel enabled You should be able to install it all via application manager.
Oct 10 13:49:45 <DocScrutinizer> MSJ1983: there's no secret knowledhe about insatlling PyQt that mustn't get disclosed in this channel publicly - so why pm?
Oct 10 13:49:56 <sivang> MSJ1983: you have to enable the repository so make sure you have it enabled.
Oct 10 13:51:01 <MSJ1983> it says that i need to install libq4-testand libq4-script before i can install the pyqt4 full install
Oct 10 13:51:02 <MSJ1983> :-)
Oct 10 13:51:08 <MSJ1983> what to do
Oct 10 13:51:21 <DocScrutinizer> *who* says that?
Oct 10 13:51:55 <DocScrutinizer> the application manager?
Oct 10 13:52:11 <DrWilken> Don't download it from the link I provided... Install if using the Application Manager... :)
Oct 10 13:52:18 <DrWilken>  /it
Oct 10 13:52:33 <MSJ1983> that what i did
Oct 10 13:52:42 <MSJ1983> then it says it need two more files
Oct 10 13:52:43 <MSJ1983> :-)
Oct 10 13:52:49 <DocScrutinizer> *who* says that?
Oct 10 13:53:04 <MSJ1983> the app manager
Oct 10 13:53:09 <DrWilken> Then let it install them.
Oct 10 13:53:37 <DocScrutinizer> appmngr is supposed to pull dependencies 'automatically'
Oct 10 13:53:57 <MSJ1983> oky i try again it wont let me install the pyqt4 begause it need the two other files before i can
Oct 10 13:54:04 <MSJ1983> is my english so bad :-)
Oct 10 13:54:06 <DocScrutinizer> if it complains about missing pkgs, I guess you miss a few repos/catalogs
Oct 10 13:54:13 <DrWilken> Make sure You've got Extras, Extras Testing and Extras Devel enabled.
Oct 10 13:54:51 <DocScrutinizer> ...in 'catalogs' in appmanager
Oct 10 13:54:53 <MSJ1983> i have all off them maemo.org extras maemo extra delvel extras testing all of them
Oct 10 13:55:18 <MSJ1983> tried in two days too make it work
Oct 10 13:56:06 <DrWilken> You might have misconfigured one of them
Oct 10 13:56:26 <DrWilken> Check the catalogs one by one
Oct 10 13:56:56 <DrWilken> http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras (N900 for firmware PR 1.2)
Oct 10 13:57:01 <DrWilken> http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing#How_to_activate_Extras-testing
Oct 10 13:57:07 <DrWilken> http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#How_to_activate_Extras-devel
Oct 10 13:57:51 <DocScrutinizer> and it's fremantle, not freemantle ;-D
Oct 10 13:58:03 <DocScrutinizer> (a common oopsie)
Oct 10 13:58:04 <SpeedEvil> Stupid name.
Oct 10 13:58:08 <SpeedEvil> That gets most people.
Oct 10 13:58:15 <DrWilken> Jup :)
Oct 10 13:59:42 <MSJ1983> oky i will try it out will be bak soon with updates
Oct 10 14:06:01 <MSJ1983> oky tried it but no go... :-)
Oct 10 14:08:16 <alterego> Dum-de-dum-do-do
Oct 10 14:08:51 <MSJ1983> is it somything about the new update for the nokia n900
Oct 10 14:08:59 <DrWilken> ?
Oct 10 14:09:00 <MSJ1983> i have read a tons of stuff via google
Oct 10 14:09:05 <MSJ1983> many have the problems
Oct 10 14:09:07 <MSJ1983> for it
Oct 10 14:09:23 <DrWilken> link?
Oct 10 14:10:16 <MSJ1983> whait i have too find it again :-)
Oct 10 14:10:26 <SwedeMike> what new update is that?
Oct 10 14:11:16 <DrWilken> I'll just try to install psfreedom in the meanwhile
Oct 10 14:12:16 <DrWilken> I didn't have any problems installing it.
Oct 10 14:12:26 <MSJ1983> and you have a nokia n900??
Oct 10 14:12:31 <MSJ1983> what the ....
Oct 10 14:12:37 <MSJ1983> what wrong with me its new
Oct 10 14:12:41 <DrWilken> no N9
Oct 10 14:12:46 <DrWilken> Yes, I have a N900 :)
Oct 10 14:12:52 <MSJ1983> :-)
Oct 10 14:13:02 <MSJ1983> whats wrong with mne
Oct 10 14:13:12 <MSJ1983> mine
Oct 10 14:13:17 <MSJ1983> you have updatged it right
Oct 10 14:13:18 <DrWilken> pulled 15 packages incl. psfreedom
Oct 10 14:13:20 <DrWilken> Yes
Oct 10 14:13:36 <MSJ1983> how did you do it did you write it on xterminakl
Oct 10 14:13:50 <DrWilken> No
Oct 10 14:14:14 <DrWilken> Using fapman but it should work using the standard app manager too
Oct 10 14:14:37 <MSJ1983> oky i try download fapman and try whait a sec
Oct 10 14:14:45 <DrWilken> I still think Your catalogs aren't set up correctly
Oct 10 14:14:52 <DocScrutinizer51> MSJ1983: can you save appmanager log please, and pastebin it
Oct 10 14:14:58 <MSJ1983> i have checked ever one of them mate
Oct 10 14:15:04 <DrWilken> ok
Oct 10 14:15:33 <MSJ1983> doc>>> how do i pastebin it :-)
Oct 10 14:15:40 <DocScrutinizer51> of course after trying to install psfreedom
Oct 10 14:15:53 <DocScrutinizer51> ~pastebin
Oct 10 14:15:54 <infobot> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.
Oct 10 14:16:22 <MSJ1983> i have too install that can i imagine right
Oct 10 14:16:43 <MSJ1983> ??
Oct 10 14:17:10 <DrWilken> doesn't matter. just paste the log to one of the sites mentioned and provide the link
Oct 10 14:18:21 <DocScrutinizer51> http://pastebin.ca/upload.php
Oct 10 14:19:08 <MSJ1983> i have done it on pastebin.com
Oct 10 14:19:10 <MSJ1983> :-9
Oct 10 14:19:20 <MSJ1983> sry didt see you link befor now
Oct 10 14:19:33 <DrWilken> link? :)
Oct 10 14:19:42 <MSJ1983> http://pastebin.com/JAMJwBkX
Oct 10 14:19:48 <MSJ1983> sryi am new at this
Oct 10 14:20:33 <MSJ1983> drwilken>>> cannot find the fapman program mate
Oct 10 14:20:44 <MSJ1983> is it right docs???
Oct 10 14:20:51 <DrWilken> one thing at a time... :)
Oct 10 14:22:01 <MSJ1983> oky... drwilken,... but isent it wired that you can do it with no problem... could it be begause i live in dk??
Oct 10 14:22:16 <DrWilken> I live in DK to... :D
Oct 10 14:22:18 <DrWilken> so no ;)
Oct 10 14:23:05 <DrWilken> there isn't anything useful in your log. try installing psfreedom and paste the log after that.
Oct 10 14:23:21 <MSJ1983> oky 3 sec
Oct 10 14:25:02 <MSJ1983> where do i find the log for it dr...
Oct 10 14:25:03 <MSJ1983> ??
Oct 10 14:25:27 <DrWilken> application manager -> log -> save as
Oct 10 14:25:43 <DrWilken> (You just did it 2 secs ago) :)
Oct 10 14:26:01 <MSJ1983> but its the same that it saying that why i asked
Oct 10 14:27:35 <DrWilken> weird. try pressing update and then check if there's anything useful in the log
Oct 10 14:28:02 <MSJ1983> oky
Oct 10 14:28:05 <MSJ1983> whait :-)
Oct 10 14:28:27 <DrWilken> a catalogue fails? :)
Oct 10 14:28:37 <MSJ1983> witch one
Oct 10 14:28:38 <MSJ1983> ???
Oct 10 14:28:50 <DrWilken> it was a question :) hence the '?'
Oct 10 14:29:15 <MSJ1983> no update... it just says
Oct 10 14:30:22 <MSJ1983> somthing els in the log
Oct 10 14:30:26 <MSJ1983> will copy it know
Oct 10 14:30:30 <DrWilken> ok
Oct 10 14:30:45 <DrWilken> i'm installing psfreedom using application manager now
Oct 10 14:31:23 <MSJ1983> now
Oct 10 14:31:25 <MSJ1983> oky
Oct 10 14:33:16 <dolp> what do i need to add to my madde project so i can use qt mobility messaging abilities.. i cant seem to get it to work
Oct 10 14:33:36 <DrWilken> no problem - pastebin.ca/1958664
Oct 10 14:33:55 <MSJ1983> what does that mean drwilkien
Oct 10 14:34:19 <DrWilken> that's just the log of the install. You should be getting something similar when trying to install.
Oct 10 14:34:40 <MSJ1983> oky should i try again or??
Oct 10 14:35:46 <DrWilken> I'm almost certain that You're having problems with a catalogue.
Oct 10 14:36:04 <MSJ1983> oky i will try the whole thin again
Oct 10 14:36:09 <DrWilken> ok
Oct 10 14:36:58 <MSJ1983> i have too add all the 3 links right
Oct 10 14:37:07 <MSJ1983> do you have tdc internet also
Oct 10 14:37:25 <MSJ1983> can i deactivtae the other catelagoes
Oct 10 14:37:30 <MSJ1983> that comes with nokia
Oct 10 14:37:32 <DrWilken> no
Oct 10 14:37:47 <DrWilken> just check that they are correct
Oct 10 14:37:53 <MSJ1983> also the qvi
Oct 10 14:38:00 <DrWilken> just leave it
Oct 10 14:38:28 <MSJ1983> pre-PR1.1 is ours not 1.2
Oct 10 14:38:28 <MSJ1983> +??
Oct 10 14:38:35 <DrWilken> yes
Oct 10 14:38:42 <DrWilken> I posted that earlier too :)
Oct 10 14:38:51 <MSJ1983> so what do to with http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
Oct 10 14:38:59 <DrWilken> there's instructions for 1.2. too...
Oct 10 14:39:09 <DrWilken> "The configuration below is for N900 for firmware PR 1.2:"
Oct 10 14:39:13 <MSJ1983> aha... is eee
Oct 10 14:39:17 <MSJ1983> see--
Oct 10 14:40:03 <DrWilken> when You have checked all 3 catalogues are correct let it update again and make sure that no catalogs failed
Oct 10 14:41:40 <MSJ1983> did you write commands like deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free
Oct 10 14:41:48 <DrWilken> No this is fremantle
Oct 10 14:42:05 <DrWilken> I'll write a page with all the settings You need and give You a link
Oct 10 14:43:05 <MSJ1983> oky... many thx... mate...
Oct 10 14:44:21 * DocScrutinizer51 starts to have daydream nightmares about fixing a borked maemo system after some really icky pkgs like powerkrnl were installed by someone that has no idea about the warnings that come with devel 
Oct 10 14:44:52 <MSJ1983> now it asked for libqt4-test
Oct 10 14:44:55 <MSJ1983> and another file
Oct 10 14:44:59 <MSJ1983> isent that wired
Oct 10 14:45:00 <MSJ1983> ??
Oct 10 14:46:09 <DrWilken> lol Doc :)
Oct 10 14:46:34 <DrWilken> http://pastebin.com/muNV8PwM
Oct 10 14:46:56 <DrWilken> BEWARE: Testing and Devel might break You device... Don't come cryin'... ;)
Oct 10 14:48:59 <MSJ1983> oky
Oct 10 14:49:04 <MSJ1983> give me 5 min
Oct 10 15:03:47 <timeless_mbp> anyone here have a picture of the maemo crash reporter complaining about http response 100?
Oct 10 15:15:57 <ShadowJK> heh, google search is pretty broken on maemo4 diablo with microb now
Oct 10 15:18:30 <SpeedEvil> :(
Oct 10 15:18:36 <alterego> Shame microb isn't OSS really ;)
Oct 10 15:18:52 <ShadowJK> That's weird. On N800 there are magnifying glass icons next to results, trying to click results blanks out most of the page and pops up a small preview elsewhere
Oct 10 15:19:03 <ShadowJK> but on N810 google search works
Oct 10 15:19:19 <MohammadAG> alterego, indeed
Oct 10 15:19:41 <MohammadAG> alterego, did I hear you say something about the PandaBoard the other day?
Oct 10 15:19:41 <MohammadAG> was lagging too much
Oct 10 15:20:45 <alterego> MohammadAG: yeah, applied with a proposal, even if I don't get accepted I think I'll buy one, looks too good :)
Oct 10 15:21:36 <MohammadAG> alterego, I want one
Oct 10 15:21:42 <MohammadAG> and flash 10.1 :P
Oct 10 15:22:51 <alterego> Heh, I don't care much for flash, as long as iplayer and youtube continue working.
Oct 10 15:28:19 <MSJ1983> mohammadAG i have problems with your psfredom plz help
Oct 10 15:29:31 <MohammadAG> MSJ1983, enable devel, and install it from the repos
Oct 10 15:29:38 <DocScrutinizer> MSJ1983: you got plenty of help already, why pester MohammadAG now?
Oct 10 15:29:54 <alterego> Hah
Oct 10 15:30:07 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: see? exactly what half a dozen other users here told you before
Oct 10 15:30:12 <MohammadAG> yeah, I'm singing on rb2 :P
Oct 10 15:30:16 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: sorry
Oct 10 15:30:21 <DocScrutinizer> MSJ1983: ^^^
Oct 10 15:30:40 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, xP
Oct 10 15:30:53 <nidO> sigh, lack of any decent tablet to buy is dull :(
Oct 10 15:31:23 <MohammadAG> sweet, gold stars
Oct 10 15:31:31 * MohammadAG thinks about porting libhildon and hildon-desktop to MeeGo
Oct 10 15:31:35 <MohammadAG> the existing UI sucks
Oct 10 15:31:48 <MohammadAG> Maemo 5's UI rocks
Oct 10 15:31:58 <DocScrutinizer> what's the correct way to have a file of mime type application/x-install-instructions - on microB/maemo5 ?
Oct 10 15:32:03 <MSJ1983> what does enable devel mean :-)
Oct 10 15:32:14 * MohammadAG facepalms
Oct 10 15:32:29 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, .htaccess
Oct 10 15:33:36 <MohammadAG> [hostnamehidden]$ repo/.htaccess
Oct 10 15:33:36 <MohammadAG> AddType application/x-install-instructions .install
Oct 10 15:33:43 <DrWilken> MSJ -> I've tried helping You with it, but it seems that You're having problems with the Nokia repositories. Wait until they work again
Oct 10 15:34:09 <MSJ1983> yes you are right drwilken
Oct 10 15:34:10 <MSJ1983> :-9
Oct 10 15:34:12 <MSJ1983> :-)
Oct 10 15:34:27 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: thanks but MEH :-S
Oct 10 15:36:22 <MSJ1983> but nice app
Oct 10 15:36:27 <MSJ1983> mohammed
Oct 10 15:39:59 <alterego> I really need to do some more coding, I've been hit with a load of webbsite contracts and short deadlines :/
Oct 10 15:40:09 <alterego> Still, it's money :J
Oct 10 15:42:41 * MohammadAG gives alterego his two cents
Oct 10 15:43:57 <alterego> :)
Oct 10 15:45:30 <alterego> Well, I've finoshed one now, gotta upload it and get paid tomorrow, then I should have a little extra time to finish my projects.
Oct 10 15:48:30 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: isn't there a predefined filename pattern for mime type appication/x-install-instructions on default maemo?
Oct 10 15:49:26 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I mean, even clicking on a local install file doesn't open it with HAM
Oct 10 15:50:21 <DocScrutinizer> I.E.: what filename extension does a install file need so HAM is invoked when clicking on the install file?
Oct 10 15:51:34 <DocScrutinizer> err, nm
Oct 10 15:52:30 <DocScrutinizer> filemanager is happy with my install file, only microb - when using 'file:///home/user/foobar.install' URL - just shows plain text
Oct 10 16:02:51 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: needs a content type when using uris, which isn't possible with file: schemes :)
Oct 10 16:03:30 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm. yes
Oct 10 16:04:41 <DocScrutinizer51> well, wait a day. I'll set up an URL to click - to install all those repos
Oct 10 16:08:28 <DocScrutinizer> for now you can download http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/repositories.install to some location in MyApps, then 'open' it with filemanager
Oct 10 16:09:37 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not absolutely sure it works without 'dist' though HAM is supposed to use current dist of OS (so fremantle for N900) if it's empty
Oct 10 16:10:27 <DocScrutinizer> anyway HAM has included the catalogs, checked updates, and no errors popped up
Oct 10 16:10:55 <DocScrutinizer> but for now those are duplicates on my N900
Oct 10 16:11:03 <DocScrutinizer> need a few more tests
Oct 10 16:11:15 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I think it doesn't, but fremantle/tools is NOT optified
Oct 10 16:11:39 <DocScrutinizer> lol, I know
Oct 10 16:14:10 <DocScrutinizer> y'know I'm temped to hard replace the config file, but then I thought doing it the 'right way' would be a nice exercise
Oct 10 16:15:00 <dRbiG> hmm, can i add my own led/vibrator patterns? i was thinking about a little script that will flash the led in some specific way every hour
Oct 10 16:15:50 <DocScrutinizer> rduse led pattern editor pkg for editing LED patterns, use alarmed + dbus-send to trigger the pattern
Oct 10 16:15:59 <DocScrutinizer> dRbiG: ^^^
Oct 10 16:16:13 <dRbiG> DocScrutinizer: exactly what i was thinking about
Oct 10 16:16:36 <DocScrutinizer> dRbiG: for vibra you need to manually edit /etc/mce/mce.ini
Oct 10 16:16:40 <nox-> moin
Oct 10 16:16:47 <dRbiG> i just didn't see any way in led pattern editor to actually add new patterns
Oct 10 16:17:00 <DocScrutinizer> there's nonne?
Oct 10 16:17:03 <dRbiG> so i'm asking if adding one directly in mce.ini is supposed to work
Oct 10 16:17:04 <DocScrutinizer> none*
Oct 10 16:17:16 <DocScrutinizer> yes, it's supposed to work
Oct 10 16:17:55 <dRbiG> DocScrutinizer: you can edit the ones that are available, and there is some 'copy' button, but that is all
Oct 10 16:17:56 <DocScrutinizer> you need to boot to make mce take notice of changed mce.ini iirc
Oct 10 16:18:06 <dRbiG> cant i kill -HUP it?
Oct 10 16:18:14 <DocScrutinizer> maybe works too
Oct 10 16:22:05 <MohammadAG> NO!
Oct 10 16:22:13 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, even the copy button is flawed. And the timing also is off by factor 2. LED pattern editor needs some fixes
Oct 10 16:22:17 <MohammadAG> stop mce or start mce
Oct 10 16:22:18 <MohammadAG> don't use kill
Oct 10 16:22:37 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: calm down, look, think! :-D
Oct 10 16:23:09 <dRbiG> okey, thx, no killing will be performed :)
Oct 10 16:23:24 <DocScrutinizer> dRbiG: kill -HUP is ok iirc
Oct 10 16:23:54 <DocScrutinizer> or maybe it was -USR1
Oct 10 16:23:59 <DocScrutinizer> or whatever
Oct 10 16:24:12 * RST38h quacks, for achange
Oct 10 16:24:35 <nox-> its kind of common for daemons to handle SIGHUP as `reload config'
Oct 10 16:24:43 <DocScrutinizer> ack
Oct 10 16:25:35 <DocScrutinizer> (except for mgetty :-P )
Oct 10 16:26:54 <nox-> hah well thats not exacttly what youd usually call a daemon :)
Oct 10 16:27:00 <nox-> exactly
Oct 10 16:27:29 <DocScrutinizer> exacTTlY ;-D
Oct 10 16:27:49 <nox-> exacttyly? :)
Oct 10 16:39:11 <dRbiG> anyone here uses queenbeecon widget (what a name btw.)?
Oct 10 16:39:32 <lcuk> fapman is better
Oct 10 16:42:46 <dRbiG> anyway there are about three features that desktop cmd exectuin widget lacks and i would find them quite useful
Oct 10 17:06:15 <alterego> Hrm, is it possible to change the colours the terminal uses me wonders
Oct 10 17:08:00 <MohammadAG> alterego, tap title bar, then select font
Oct 10 17:08:15 <MohammadAG> I want gnome-terminal
Oct 10 17:08:42 <alterego> No,I mean the ansii colours.
Oct 10 17:09:19 <RST38h> I'm afraid not
Oct 10 17:11:52 <alterego> I'd quite like gnome-terminal too :)
Oct 10 17:12:07 <alterego> I looked into porting it a while ago, then lost interest
Oct 10 17:12:28 <RST38h> Anyone knows how I can get rid of all those mount points created by Python?
Oct 10 17:12:33 <RST38h> I removed Python already
Oct 10 17:16:45 <RST38h> Anyone???
Oct 10 17:16:56 <MohammadAG> python-optify?
Oct 10 17:17:00 <MohammadAG> or whatever it's called
Oct 10 17:17:03 <RST38h> it has been removed
Oct 10 17:17:07 <RST38h> but the crap stayed
Oct 10 17:17:08 <MohammadAG> pymaemo-optify?
Oct 10 17:17:25 <RST38h> rc  pymaemo-optify                                      0.5                               PyMaemo optification package
Oct 10 17:17:25 <RST38h> rc  python2.5-minimal                                   2.5.4-1maemo6                     A minimal subset of the Python language (version 2.5)
Oct 10 17:17:28 <RST38h> Both marked rc
Oct 10 17:21:23 <RST38h> Purged them with dpkg -P. Crap is still n 'df'
Oct 10 17:23:08 <nox-> just ignore it (and hope they're gone after next reboot :)
Oct 10 17:24:38 <MohammadAG> rc?
Oct 10 17:33:05 <DocScrutinizer51> RST38h: uninstalling a package or even sysinit scripts will not umount
Oct 10 17:34:45 <dolp> what do i have to do to be able to compile something with Qt Mobility (Messaging) things on MADDE (0.6.72)?
Oct 10 17:45:08 <dRbiG> hmm, pattern i added seems not to be working, and now the wondering starts
Oct 10 17:45:54 <RST38h> Doc,Mohammad: I cannot find this stuff in rc, and all py-related packages have been purged
Oct 10 17:46:03 <RST38h> weird crap =(
Oct 10 17:48:24 <rapidsp> how to open archives in GUI?
Oct 10 17:49:11 <Myrtti> that almost made sense without context
Oct 10 17:49:51 <RST38h> Moo, Myrtti
Oct 10 17:49:59 <Myrtti> baabaa
Oct 10 17:50:32 <johnsq> Hi
Oct 10 17:53:07 <RST38h> Ahhaha, I have found where this garbage resides
Oct 10 17:55:25 <RST38h> Bindings are gone now, but still cannot deletedirectories
Oct 10 18:06:06 <dRbiG> does alarmed cron strings accept modern cron syntax? like: 0 8-20/2 * * 1,3,5
Oct 10 18:08:18 <dRbiG> nope, it doesn't :S
Oct 10 18:29:51 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: hmm, interesting
Oct 10 18:30:51 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: where?
Oct 10 18:33:37 <timeless_xchat> hello world. anyone here have an n900 and a few minutes?
Oct 10 18:34:10 <Venemo_N900> timeless_xchat: I do
Oct 10 18:37:02 <RST38h> Doc: /etc/mtab
Oct 10 18:37:28 <DrWilken> RST - That's just a  list of the currently mounted filesystems AFAIK
Oct 10 18:38:08 <DrWilken> http://www.brunolinux.com/02-The_Terminal/Fstab_and_Mtab.html
Oct 10 18:38:27 <DrWilken> "This file handles the mounted devices and is automatically updated by the mount command."
Oct 10 18:38:47 <RST38h> well it is the only place
Oct 10 18:39:33 <DrWilken> Try a grep -R <search-phrase> /
Oct 10 18:39:45 <DrWilken> You need gnu-grep installed.
Oct 10 18:42:01 <DrWilken> You did reboot after uninstalling pymaemo-optify, right?
Oct 10 18:42:32 <RST38h> yeah, multiple times
Oct 10 18:42:46 <DrWilken> ok
Oct 10 18:43:02 <DrWilken> guess an uninstall doesn't clean up as it should... :/
Oct 10 18:44:09 * RST38h wonders who came up with this abomination at the first place
Oct 10 18:44:28 <DrWilken> There was a need for it before PR1.2
Oct 10 18:45:01 <RST38h> what changed with pr1.2?
Oct 10 18:45:24 <DrWilken> Lot's of stuff was put in /opt/maemo
Oct 10 18:45:47 <DrWilken> which previously was in rootfs
Oct 10 18:45:53 <DrWilken> I think I've found it
Oct 10 18:45:59 <RST38h> ?
Oct 10 18:45:59 <DrWilken> /etc/default/pymaemo-optify
Oct 10 18:46:13 <DrWilken> /etc/default/pymaemo-optify:BIND_MOUNTS="/usr/lib/python2.5 /usr/share/pyshared /usr/lib/pyshared /usr/share/python-support /usr/lib/python-support"
Oct 10 18:46:14 <RST38h> I do not have it
Oct 10 18:46:50 <RST38h> in fact, pymaemo-optify cannot be found anywhere in /etc
Oct 10 18:47:20 <DrWilken> That's weird. I'll just try to move it out of /etc/default and reboot and see if it still does the bind mounts.
Oct 10 18:48:08 <RST38h> maybe dpkg -P killed it a while ago
Oct 10 18:48:46 <DrWilken> then it shouldn't do the bind mounts, should it? :)
Oct 10 18:49:34 <DrWilken> their gone after putting a # in front of the BIND_MOUNTS line
Oct 10 18:49:42 <crashanddie> they're
Oct 10 18:49:48 <DrWilken> thanks :)
Oct 10 18:50:07 <crashanddie> yw
Oct 10 18:50:15 * DrWilken feels educated :)
Oct 10 18:52:12 <DrWilken> Just did a dpkg -L pymaemo-optify and these are the (important) files it brings: /etc/default/pymaemo-optify, /etc/event.d/pymaemo-optify and /etc/init.d/pymaemo-optify
Oct 10 18:52:29 <RST38h> aha
Oct 10 18:52:42 <RST38h> none are present
Oct 10 18:52:47 <DrWilken> /etc/event.d/pymaemo-optify executes /etc/init.d/pymaemo-optify start
Oct 10 18:54:31 <DrWilken> /etc/init.d/pymaemo-optify checks if /etc/default/pymaemo-optify exists and creates bind mounts for each of the entries in it.
Oct 10 18:54:54 <DrWilken> I have no idea why Yours are still present... :/
Oct 10 18:55:18 <RST38h> maybe it needs yet another reboot...will see
Oct 10 18:55:48 <DrWilken> might be a good idea after editing /etc/mtab :D
Oct 10 18:56:42 <nox-> edit /etc/mtab ?  i thought that one's generated?
Oct 10 18:56:51 <RST38h> apparently it is
Oct 10 18:57:03 <DrWilken> :)
Oct 10 18:57:08 <RST38h> but that was the only place where python was even mentioned
Oct 10 19:00:16 <DocScrutinizer> by reboot we meant your maemo, not your memory
Oct 10 19:07:04 <DrWilken> RST -> I don't know what mounts them if it's not pymaemo-optify. no idea...
Oct 10 19:14:07 <DrWilken> If You just want to get rid of the bind mounts You could always reinstall pymaemo-optify and just comment out the BIND_MOUNTS line in /etc/default/pymaemo-optify... :D
Oct 10 19:16:19 <DrWilken> Ugly fix for an ugly hack... or was it the other way round? :)
Oct 10 19:17:36 <RST38h> python probably won't work then =)
Oct 10 19:17:56 <Jaffa> DrWilken: pymaemo-optify just adds the lines to /etc/fstab IIRC
Oct 10 19:18:08 <DrWilken> I think it will ;)
Oct 10 19:18:21 <Jaffa> RST38h: Indeed, unless you have oodles of rootfs space to put the libraries back in their original locations.
Oct 10 19:18:27 <DrWilken> it's just bind mounts to links ;)
Oct 10 19:18:43 <RST38h> Jaffa: Remind me, why didn't symlinks work?
Oct 10 19:19:27 <DrWilken> I forgot about that. whoops :)
Oct 10 19:23:08 <arvut> Hi..
Oct 10 19:27:15 <arvut> wow this seems abit dead, is this a chitchat or support channel?
Oct 10 19:27:54 <lcuk> arvut, if we said hi to everyone who entered my keys would be worn out :P
Oct 10 19:28:03 <lcuk> and you caught it at a quiet time
Oct 10 19:28:26 <arvut> heh true
Oct 10 19:29:19 <arvut> so, what kind of channel is it?
Oct 10 19:30:57 <DrWilken> RST - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=427441&postcount=29
Oct 10 19:31:12 <nox-> anyone here like jarre?  http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ten10ten
Oct 10 19:34:31 <DrWilken> RST: Actually this one explains why symlinks don't work
Oct 10 19:34:32 <DrWilken> http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-October/021348.html
Oct 10 19:49:08 <dolp> what needs to be done to be able to use QMessageManager in my widget app? compiled using MADDE (0.6.72)
Oct 10 20:20:53 <DocScrutinizer> apache anybody?
Oct 10 20:21:31 <DocScrutinizer> what config option is stopping apache from listing directory content?
Oct 10 20:21:44 <Stskeeps> lack of +Indexes ?
Oct 10 20:21:57 <DocScrutinizer> never seen this
Oct 10 20:22:22 <DocScrutinizer> is this a file name, or a config option in .htconfig?
Oct 10 20:22:54 <DrWilken> config option. it's under a directory statement
Oct 10 20:23:04 <DrWilken> <Directory /blah/blah>
Oct 10 20:23:12 <DrWilken> Options +Indexes
Oct 10 20:23:17 <DocScrutinizer> thanks
Oct 10 20:29:11 <DocScrutinizer> meh, still the friggin Apache 2 Test Page
Oct 10 20:30:47 <DrWilken> vhost?
Oct 10 20:30:50 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Oct 10 20:30:59 <DrWilken> Name based?
Oct 10 20:31:07 <DocScrutinizer> err yep
Oct 10 20:31:12 <DocScrutinizer> think so
Oct 10 20:31:42 <DocScrutinizer> index.html is working fine
Oct 10 20:31:47 <DrWilken> ok
Oct 10 20:31:53 <DrWilken> that was my next question :)
Oct 10 20:32:12 <DrWilken> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html
Oct 10 20:32:26 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: i have apache2
Oct 10 20:32:28 <DocScrutinizer> just w/o index.html it doesn't list files but instead shows that test page
Oct 10 20:32:41 <jacekowski> that's strange
Oct 10 20:33:02 <jacekowski> what are you trying to achieve?
Oct 10 20:33:45 <jacekowski> ehh
Oct 10 20:33:47 <jacekowski> http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/Chromium#comment-96
Oct 10 20:33:54 <DocScrutinizer> very simple, something similar to http:/people.openmoko.org
Oct 10 20:34:38 <jacekowski> mod_autoindex
Oct 10 20:35:09 <DocScrutinizer> errm, lemme grep this
Oct 10 20:35:26 <jacekowski> basicaly what you have to do is create a folder that apache can access
Oct 10 20:35:34 <jacekowski> have your folder there
Oct 10 20:35:35 <DocScrutinizer> there is
Oct 10 20:35:42 <jacekowski> folders*
Oct 10 20:35:44 <jacekowski> then
Oct 10 20:36:20 <DocScrutinizer> there is a folder with a file, I can access the folder/file and I can access folder/index.html
Oct 10 20:36:25 <DrWilken> If You don't have mod_autoindex it should complain about Options +Indexes
Oct 10 20:36:35 <DocScrutinizer> when I enter URL >folder>
Oct 10 20:36:39 <jacekowski> take a look at
Oct 10 20:36:55 <jacekowski> http://blah.jacekowski.org/server-info
Oct 10 20:37:18 <jacekowski> that's full config of my apache
Oct 10 20:37:29 <DrWilken> jacekowski - that's not a permanent page is it?
Oct 10 20:37:31 <DrWilken> :)
Oct 10 20:37:51 <jacekowski> it is
Oct 10 20:37:57 <jacekowski> i don't have any passwords there
Oct 10 20:38:30 <jacekowski> there is nothing that would be any threat there
Oct 10 20:38:36 <DocScrutinizer> [Sun Oct 10 22:26:14 2010] [error] [client 85.116.194.200] Directory index forbidden by Options directive: /www/vhosts/jr/mae
Oct 10 20:38:37 <DocScrutinizer> mo/
Oct 10 20:38:47 <DrWilken> Just found this: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/CommonMisconfigurations
Oct 10 20:39:11 <DrWilken> jace - Just a lot of useful info for a hacker - version etc. Your choice ;)
Oct 10 20:39:27 <jacekowski> blah
Oct 10 20:39:34 <jacekowski> like version gives anything to anybody
Oct 10 20:39:43 <DrWilken> like security issues?
Oct 10 20:39:50 <jacekowski> why
Oct 10 20:40:08 <jacekowski> that only means that attacker has to try couple more exploits
Oct 10 20:40:13 <DrWilken> if they know your using a vulnerable version of let's say php they'll try to exploit it
Oct 10 20:40:21 <DrWilken> true
Oct 10 20:40:29 <DrWilken> maybe i'm just paranoid :)
Oct 10 20:40:31 <jacekowski> they can exploit it without knowing version
Oct 10 20:40:39 <jacekowski> that's security by obscurity
Oct 10 20:40:46 <luke-jr_> when does anyone verify version before attempting an exploit?
Oct 10 20:41:03 <DrWilken> script kiddies do
Oct 10 20:41:09 <SpeedEvil> Security by obscurity is security too.
Oct 10 20:41:12 <luke-jr_> doubt it
Oct 10 20:41:14 <DrWilken> yes :)
Oct 10 20:41:20 <DrWilken> that's my motto :)
Oct 10 20:41:20 <DocScrutinizer> could anybody comment on >>Directory index forbidden by Options directive: /www/vhosts/jr/maemo<<
Oct 10 20:41:27 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: i can
Oct 10 20:41:28 <luke-jr_> also, if you're running a vulnerable version… UPDATE IT
Oct 10 20:41:28 <SpeedEvil> It is poor security, but it adds.
Oct 10 20:41:29 <luke-jr_> duh
Oct 10 20:41:42 <SpeedEvil> First rule of security.
Oct 10 20:41:48 <SpeedEvil> You do not have to run faster than the bear.
Oct 10 20:41:51 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: <Directory "/www/vhosts....">
Oct 10 20:41:59 <jacekowski> Options Indexes
Oct 10 20:42:03 <jacekowski> </Directory>
Oct 10 20:42:15 <DrWilken> no trailing slash on the directory statement afair. that's pretty important
Oct 10 20:42:19 <DocScrutinizer> meh, I have Options +Indexes
Oct 10 20:42:20 <luke-jr_> SpeedEvil: heh, that assumes the bear is indiscriminate
Oct 10 20:42:42 <jacekowski> well, i prefer to have version that has no known vulnerabilities
Oct 10 20:43:00 <DrWilken> me 2. but i _also_ hide version(s)
Oct 10 20:43:00 <jacekowski> rather than have vulnerable version and hide it
Oct 10 20:43:38 <jacekowski> well, that only adds maybe 3-4 versions
Oct 10 20:43:42 <SpeedEvil> I'm not saying that's not a good thing.
Oct 10 20:43:44 <DrWilken> lots of exploits are out before there are fixes
Oct 10 20:43:50 <luke-jr_> I prefer to have a version with no known vulns, that claims to be an especially vuln version, and counter-attacks when someone attempts to exploit it
Oct 10 20:43:51 <luke-jr_> <><
Oct 10 20:44:02 <DrWilken> :)
Oct 10 20:44:24 <luke-jr_> or at least null-routes the attacking IP
Oct 10 20:44:26 <DrWilken> i don't counterattack, just drop
Oct 10 20:44:36 <DrWilken> or redirect to 127.0.0.1
Oct 10 20:44:38 <DocScrutinizer> no luck :-S
Oct 10 20:44:43 <jacekowski> well, PaX and grsec will kill apache if shit happens
Oct 10 20:44:49 <lcuk> people who do not want their devices to get infections should use a condom as a pouch
Oct 10 20:45:03 <luke-jr_> …
Oct 10 20:45:20 <jacekowski> so even if it's vulnerable there is no way to inject shellcode
Oct 10 20:45:31 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. Options Indexes still gives me Apache 2 Test Page
Oct 10 20:45:43 <luke-jr_> DocScrutinizer: remove index
Oct 10 20:45:50 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: your vhost config is messed up
Oct 10 20:45:57 <DocScrutinizer> uhu
Oct 10 20:46:07 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: take a look at my config
Oct 10 20:46:07 <DrWilken> does it resolve?
Oct 10 20:46:08 <DocScrutinizer> remove what index??
Oct 10 20:46:20 <jacekowski> <VirtualHost *:80>
Oct 10 20:46:27 <luke-jr_> index*
Oct 10 20:46:48 <jacekowski>     ServerName shell.jacekowski.org
Oct 10 20:47:02 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr_: jr$ remove index --> bash: unknown command: remove
Oct 10 20:47:27 <jacekowski> <------><Directory /var/www/>
Oct 10 20:47:27 <jacekowski> <------><------>Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews ExecCgi
Oct 10 20:47:27 <luke-jr_> DocScrutinizer: find / -name index.* | xargs rm -v
Oct 10 20:47:36 <jacekowski> and that sort of stuff
Oct 10 20:47:37 <DocScrutinizer> yayayaya
Oct 10 20:47:39 <DrWilken> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/
Oct 10 20:47:42 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr_: sure
Oct 10 20:47:47 <luke-jr_> (you might not want to actually do that)
Oct 10 20:47:53 <DocScrutinizer> pfff
Oct 10 20:49:04 <DrWilken> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#virtualhost
Oct 10 20:49:33 <DrWilken> but as jace said use *:80
Oct 10 20:49:36 <DocScrutinizer>     <Directory "/www/vhosts/jr/maemo">
Oct 10 20:49:38 <DocScrutinizer>         Options Indexes
Oct 10 20:49:39 <DocScrutinizer>     </Directory>
Oct 10 20:49:41 <DocScrutinizer> </VirtualHost>
Oct 10 20:51:31 <DrWilken> Right before Options put this
Oct 10 20:51:35 <DrWilken> Order Allow,Deny
Oct 10 20:51:37 <DocScrutinizer> 'elo? everything working like a charm, just it shows that fsckng Apache2 Test Page instead of a ls -l, when there's no index.html file in the dir
Oct 10 20:51:42 <DrWilken> Allow from All
Oct 10 20:52:25 <DrWilken> And the Directory statement doesn't _need_ to be _inside_ the VirtualHost
Oct 10 20:52:35 <DrWilken> not sure if it makes any difference
Oct 10 20:53:06 <DrWilken> I always put them by themselves - after </VirtualHost>
Oct 10 20:54:54 <DrWilken> Do You have AllowOverride Indexes in your httpd.conf ?
Oct 10 20:55:04 <DocScrutinizer> there has to be a BS Option or LoadModule somewhere that overrides fileindex with that apache2testpage, no?
Oct 10 20:55:20 <DocScrutinizer> lemme check
Oct 10 20:56:25 <DocScrutinizer> three times "AllowOverride None"
Oct 10 20:57:17 <DrWilken> just a sec. not sure if AllowOverride only has to do with .htaccess files.
Oct 10 20:58:34 <DrWilken> it's only for allowing options in .htaccess files
Oct 10 20:58:42 <DocScrutinizer> is this goddamn testpage hardcoded into apache?
Oct 10 20:59:08 <DrWilken> It's in httpd.conf
Oct 10 20:59:08 <DocScrutinizer> otherwise you'd think it should be pointed to somewhere in httpd.conf
Oct 10 20:59:30 <luke-jr_> the test page is an index.* file
Oct 10 20:59:43 <DrWilken> Which distro are You using?
Oct 10 20:59:49 <DocScrutinizer> centos
Oct 10 20:59:56 <DrWilken> ok
Oct 10 21:00:08 <DrWilken> SELinux? :)
Oct 10 21:00:16 <DocScrutinizer> errrrr nope?
Oct 10 21:00:19 <DrWilken> sure?
Oct 10 21:00:23 <DocScrutinizer> noo
Oct 10 21:00:27 <DrWilken> check /etc/sysconfig/selinux
Oct 10 21:01:02 <DrWilken> If it's enforcing it's blocking disk access to the apache process
Oct 10 21:01:23 <DocScrutinizer> #       disabled - SELinux is fully disabled.
Oct 10 21:01:25 <DocScrutinizer> SELINUX=disabled
Oct 10 21:01:32 <DrWilken> OK, that's not it then ;)
Oct 10 21:02:21 <DrWilken> When You're accessing the website You have a / in the end of the URL, right?
Oct 10 21:02:38 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Oct 10 21:02:40 <DrWilken> ok
Oct 10 21:25:38 <Corsac> hmhm, was there some packages to add some codecs to gstreamer which could be used by the jabber video calls?
Oct 10 21:27:18 <yacc> Wondering => does maemo support compcache?
Oct 10 21:39:01 <Jartza> oh
Oct 10 21:39:23 <Jartza> btw. is there any fixes for the long-press-context-menu thingie?
Oct 10 21:39:36 <Jartza> 3rd party fix is also fine
Oct 10 21:40:38 <Jartza> still work erratically in n900, almost the only thing that still bothers me
Oct 10 21:41:36 <BCMM> still kinda feels like magic that scratchbox executes ARM ELFs from a "normal" shell
Oct 10 21:41:41 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, updated my tools page
Oct 10 21:41:51 <Jartza> menu appears under your finger, so it's impossible to see it & raising your finger closes the menu
Oct 10 21:41:57 <Jartza> :(
Oct 10 21:41:58 <DocScrutinizer> if somebody might bother to test the repo install
Oct 10 21:41:59 <johnx> BCMM, qemu 'user mode' is awesome (when it works), isn't it?
Oct 10 21:42:10 <BCMM> johnx: yeah!
Oct 10 21:42:13 <luke-jr_> johnx: when doesn't it work?
Oct 10 21:42:28 <johnx> luke-jr, when your binary wants to call some syscall that isn't implemented
Oct 10 21:42:46 <BCMM> yeah, as it happens i'm trying to play with the accelerometer, so i see my error message first thing
Oct 10 21:42:47 <DocScrutinizer> many thanks to DrWilken
Oct 10 21:42:49 <BCMM> but still
Oct 10 21:43:09 <luke-jr_> johnx: which is all of them afaik, up to some 2.6 ver
Oct 10 21:43:17 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: where is your tools page?
Oct 10 21:43:31 <BCMM> btw, i am right in saying that scratchbox still doesn't work with ARM binaries that want to use the X server?
Oct 10 21:43:44 <johnx> luke-jr, uhm, then why did you ask "when doesn't it work?" ?
Oct 10 21:44:21 <Jartza> no fix? :(
Oct 10 21:45:02 <johnx> Jartza, not that I know of? do you have 'vibrate on tap' on so you can at least tell if the 'click' was registered?
Oct 10 21:45:14 <Jartza> nope
Oct 10 21:45:22 <Jartza> I hate the vibrate on tap :)
Oct 10 21:45:44 <johnx> this would explain why the menu thing bothers you more than me ;)
Oct 10 21:46:16 <Jartza> I was positively surprised that those menus work better in symbian^3
Oct 10 21:46:46 <johnx> they work just fine for me like 95+ % of the time ...
Oct 10 21:46:57 <Jartza> I surely can see that the menu appears, yes. but mostly it appears under finger :P
Oct 10 21:47:21 <Jartza> and it could stay open until dismissed like a dialog
Oct 10 21:47:31 <johnx> aaaah, the context menu
Oct 10 21:47:34 <johnx> not the app menu
Oct 10 21:47:37 <johnx> got it
Oct 10 21:47:39 <Jartza> yes
Oct 10 21:47:41 <johnx> yeah, those are a PITA
Oct 10 21:47:46 <Jartza> "right click"
Oct 10 21:47:55 <johnx> it's worst when the system is under load too
Oct 10 21:48:07 <Jartza> I didn't even realise how pita they are until I got N8 :)
Oct 10 21:48:29 <Jartza> even if I hate symbian, context menus work like charm on that :)
Oct 10 21:49:30 <johnx> that's like saying, "This car drives like crap, the seats are uncomfortable, but the power windows work great!" :P
Oct 10 21:49:38 <Jartza> yeah :)
Oct 10 21:49:53 <Jartza> but it has high mpg :)
Oct 10 21:50:10 <Jartza> another positive thing was battery
Oct 10 21:50:15 <johnx> because it has a slow engine :P
Oct 10 21:50:24 <johnx> s/slow/weak/
Oct 10 21:50:25 <infobot> johnx meant: because it has a weak engine :P
Oct 10 21:50:33 * johnx can sit here and make car analogies all day :>
Oct 10 21:50:48 <MohammadAG> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=837973#post837973 :)
Oct 10 21:50:52 <Jartza> maybe so. it's still not as crap as I thought it would be :)
Oct 10 21:51:17 <Jartza> but I still prefer my n900
Oct 10 21:51:58 <johnx> MohammadAG, that would be an awesome way to make splash screens. thanks
Oct 10 21:52:09 <Jartza> hmm
Oct 10 21:52:21 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Oct 10 21:52:34 <Jartza> maybe I have to bite into sources and look where those context-menus are
Oct 10 21:52:42 <Jartza> and see if that can be fixed
Oct 10 21:52:47 <MohammadAG> johnx, I used to edit hermes to make those splash screens :)
Oct 10 21:52:48 <johnx> actually, one of the most annoying things is when mail starts and I think it's usable since it lists my accounts, but it's actually not ready to accept clicks yet
Oct 10 21:53:14 <Jartza> that I don't know as I have mail open all the time :)
Oct 10 21:53:21 <johnx> terminal makes me even more crazy though :)
Oct 10 21:53:34 <Jartza> why? :)
Oct 10 21:54:03 <johnx> it appears, shows a prompt, I type something quick, hit enter, it sits there, then accepts the last half of the command I typed and tries to run it, fails
Oct 10 21:55:14 <Jartza> :)
Oct 10 21:55:18 <Jartza> type more slow
Oct 10 21:56:21 <johnx> or: change my x terminal PVR screenshot so it says "Please wait, loading ..." over the center
Oct 10 21:56:38 <Jartza> :)
Oct 10 21:56:48 <johnx> when the prompt is there, I should be able to start typing. that's the meaning of prompt :P
Oct 10 21:57:42 <MohammadAG> johnsq, I do the same in PSFreedom "Application loading, please wait..."
Oct 10 21:57:56 <nox-> if you're swapping that much, maybe just type a space first and wait till that appears before you contine typing?
Oct 10 21:58:11 <nox-> continue even
Oct 10 21:58:38 <johnx> nox-, that's fair and usually I wait for the typed letters to appear before I hit enter
Oct 10 21:59:26 <MohammadAG> johnx, watch for the spinning indicator next to the name in the title bar
Oct 10 21:59:33 <MohammadAG> when it's done spinning, XTerm's loaded
Oct 10 21:59:34 <johnx> but I'm a cranky unix guy who's been trained for years that "when the prompt is there, all is well" and I'm resistant to change my behavior on one of the many unix-like systems I use :)
Oct 10 21:59:47 <johnx> <- just complaining, please ignore :)
Oct 10 21:59:59 <johnx> I'll make myself a splash screen next time it annoys me :)
Oct 10 22:00:05 * MohammadAG likes complaints, as long as they're not @ him
Oct 10 22:00:32 * nox- found the enter key bug more annoying, i even hacked terminfo/termcap before i found theres a ticket with a patched deb...
Oct 10 22:02:01 <MohammadAG> school tomorrow, night peeps
Oct 10 22:02:09 <johnx> 'night MohammadAG
Oct 10 22:02:21 <DocScrutinizer> night moh
Oct 10 22:36:15 <opdf2> I can't seem to use patch mode with PSFreedom
Oct 10 22:39:00 <Jaffa> RST38h: Belatedly, Python has readlinks scattered throughout its source, but not sufficiently to be consistent either way (AIUI, IIRC)
Oct 10 23:32:54 <luke-jr_> johnx: because it always works?
Oct 11 01:41:19 <viewer> is it possible to use the n900 sort of reverse tethering, so you could make calls through your computer when your phone is plugged in?
Oct 11 01:41:45 <viewer> just wondering if anyones ever heard of that
Oct 11 01:41:58 <viewer> for linuxMCE perhaps
Oct 11 01:55:54 <SpeedEvil> viewer: Is it possible, yes.
Oct 11 01:56:01 <SpeedEvil> viewer: H?as anyone implemented it - no.
Oct 11 01:56:05 <SpeedEvil> AFAIK
Oct 11 01:56:14 <SpeedEvil> you can do SIP or ... calls using the data conneciton.
Oct 11 02:41:34 <DocScrutinizer51> you could even use an external USB attached 'soundcard' (or pulse to do network audio) to replace the built in mic and earpiece
Oct 11 02:55:01 <DocScrutinizer> or N900 pretends to be a soundcard
Oct 11 02:56:03 <DocScrutinizer> probably easier to handle that way round
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