**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 16 02:59:58 2010
Oct 16 03:25:36 <DocScrutinizer> heyho anybody awake and eager to dive into (kernel) code?
Oct 16 03:26:10 <DocScrutinizer> irreco uses lirc uses /lib/modules/2.6.28-hostmode1/lirc_rx51.ko
Oct 16 03:27:17 <DocScrutinizer> <quote origin=file:///usr/share/doc/packages/lirc/html/help.html#new_remote> If you want to use a config file to send IR commands you should try to vary the modulation frequency of the signals.
Oct 16 03:27:32 <DocScrutinizer>  Using the correct modulation frequency will increase range significantly.
Oct 16 03:28:01 <DocScrutinizer> You can set the modulation frequency for a remote control by adding the line
Oct 16 03:28:02 <DocScrutinizer>         frequency <freq>
Oct 16 03:28:04 <DocScrutinizer> to the according section of the config file
Oct 16 03:28:08 <DocScrutinizer> </quote>
Oct 16 03:29:24 <DocScrutinizer> on fremantle with lirc and irreco I find ~3..6 config files named or similar in structure to /etc/lircd.conf
Oct 16 03:30:16 <DocScrutinizer> and it's completely inclear if the lirc_rx51.ko takes a freq parameter at all and from which file
Oct 16 03:31:44 <DocScrutinizer> so if anybody is complaining about poor range of CIR of N900 (using [qt]irreco) then maybe you want to look into that, and find the proper frequency for your appliance
Oct 16 03:32:12 <DocScrutinizer> as you know now: >>Using the correct modulation frequency will increase range significantly.<<
Oct 16 03:33:48 <SpeedEvil> By as much as 10* or more
Oct 16 03:33:58 <DocScrutinizer> btw there's a bug in irreco spamming /etc/lirc.conf with identical lines >>include "/home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/50PG6000"<<
Oct 16 03:34:34 <DocScrutinizer> this is both nonsense for the multiple identical lines, and also for the nonexisting pathname
Oct 16 03:37:00 <DocScrutinizer> I guess one such line is added for every remote you download in irreco
Oct 16 03:38:02 * DocScrutinizer wants his atimes back :-/
Oct 16 03:43:17 <DocScrutinizer> >>Usually values from 34000 to 44000 are good choices.<<
Oct 16 03:43:35 <DocScrutinizer> (for <freq>)
Oct 16 03:44:07 <DocScrutinizer> though I also know of 48000 and even >50000 remotes
Oct 16 03:45:40 <DocScrutinizer> if you find out which is the right file to add that 'frequency 44000' line, it'd be kind to let me know
Oct 16 03:51:18 <DocScrutinizer> candidates:  /etc/lircd.conf;  /etc/lirc/lircd.conf; /etc/lirc/hardware.conf; /home/user/.irreco/lircd.conf; /home/user/.irreco/*.conf??; /etc/modprobe.d/* line "options lirc_rx51.ko ???=???" (though a modinfo doesn't suggest it takes any parameters)
Oct 16 03:53:53 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, of course /etc/init.d/lirc
Oct 16 03:59:40 <DocScrutinizer> hmm /init.d/lirc seems to suggest the relevant file is /etc/lirc/lircd.conf, I just wonder what /etc/lircd.conf does and who created it
Oct 16 04:03:09 <vdv> does anybody know some pdf reader which can reflow text (word wrap)?
Oct 16 04:03:24 <vdv> for maemo :)
Oct 16 04:03:45 <DocScrutinizer> meh, /etc/lircd.conf and /home/user/.irreco/lircd.conf both have same mtime, of today - while /etc/lirc/lircd.conf has mtime of 23.Apr2009
Oct 16 04:08:13 <DocScrutinizer> while for the logic in it, the 'frequency 35555' line belongs into file /home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/*(50PG6000 for my LG TV)
Oct 16 04:46:06 <DocScrutinizer> ok, to save you a lot of trying: a line 'frequency 38000' somewhere in /home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/* (actual filename to be found in /etc/lircd.conf) will work. I added that line directly after the 'name xyfoobar50PG6000" line next to start of file
Oct 16 04:46:39 <DocScrutinizer> irreco executes /etc/init.d/lirc, so you don't need to bother about that
Oct 16 04:47:58 <DocScrutinizer> I get twice the range on LG with 39000 (~3.5), than with 58000 (~1.5m)
Oct 16 04:48:29 <DocScrutinizer> with 34000 range is shorter than with 39000
Oct 16 04:49:06 <DocScrutinizer> but differences from 36000 to 40000 seems very small
Oct 16 04:49:18 <DocScrutinizer> YMMV
Oct 16 04:50:42 <DocScrutinizer> ahh, and irreco writes an additional line to /etc/lircd.conf on every program start, so maybe you occasionally want to clean that file before your rootfs is crammed
Oct 16 04:50:53 <SpeedEvil> From vague recollections of IR reciever modules, some have way tighter filters than others.
Oct 16 04:51:07 <DocScrutinizer> yep, that's why YMMV
Oct 16 04:51:54 <DocScrutinizer> anyway it proves N900 is weak compared to a 'normal' customer IR remote
Oct 16 04:52:24 <DocScrutinizer> I get a range of ~5..6m easily with the TV genuine remote
Oct 16 04:55:04 <DocScrutinizer> of course the IR wavelength also might be wrong for some classical IR remotes. If only we knew about the exact type of IR-LED used there
Oct 16 06:32:37 <RST38h> Hmm...new laptop twice faster than the old laptop at USB transfers to N900
Oct 16 06:32:48 <RST38h> Same USB standard. Go figure...
Oct 16 06:38:08 <jpinx-ee1pc> is the wiki down¿?
Oct 16 06:50:46 <TermanaN900> DocScrutinizer, ping
Oct 16 07:15:23 <loft306> yay my buddy in Tuckey just finnaly got an N900
Oct 16 07:15:39 <loft306> i geuss they dont sell them there
Oct 16 07:16:47 <loft306> i told thim to take his wife on vacation to europe  just dont tell her your goingthere to buy a shone and your secondary for the trip
Oct 16 07:17:01 <loft306> *phone
Oct 16 07:20:51 <ieatlint> that's an awesome story
Oct 16 07:26:53 <loft306> *Turkey
Oct 16 07:28:17 <loft306> ieatlint he has wanted one since i told him about it he was looking at an android at the time
Oct 16 07:28:38 <loft306> only wanted to know if it had an ssh app
Oct 16 07:28:46 <loft306> like its nix ofcourse
Oct 16 07:29:26 <loft306> <loft306> power where you get the phone?
Oct 16 07:29:26 <loft306> <power> well,from a guy who lives in russia
Oct 16 07:29:26 <loft306> <power> the keyboard have both qwerty layout and russian printed on keys
Oct 16 07:44:33 <Goliath23> hi
Oct 16 07:44:50 <Goliath23> whats a good way to write a debug log file of a homescreen widget? /tmp?
Oct 16 07:44:57 <Goliath23> s/way/place/
Oct 16 07:44:57 <infobot> Goliath23 meant: whats a good place to write a debug log file of a homescreen widget? /tmp?
Oct 16 07:45:08 <Goliath23> yep :)
Oct 16 07:45:16 <Goliath23> lol
Oct 16 08:55:57 <RST38h> wazzzzd
Oct 16 09:01:16 <dreamer> hey all, just got my n900 yesterday and playing with it like mad :D
Oct 16 09:01:26 <brik> :)
Oct 16 09:02:00 <alterego> Welcome to club Maemo
Oct 16 09:02:02 <dreamer> so, I'm trying the advanced-power-monitor ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24905 ), but after reboot I don't have any battery-monitor on my desktop anymore
Oct 16 09:02:16 <dreamer> alterego: looking forward to meego too ;)
Oct 16 09:02:23 <alterego> :)
Oct 16 09:02:48 <alterego> Yeah, it's coming along nicely, will be a while before we have something good enough to replace Maemo though
Oct 16 09:04:05 <mavhc> my n810 is really confused about charging, most of the time, when power is unplugged, it still says it's charging, it doesn't charge fully overnight, it turns off without warning, and the touchscreen often needs recalibrating. So, battery replacement needed, software problem, or hardware?
Oct 16 09:05:25 <pupnik_> sounds broken
Oct 16 09:05:52 <dreamer> so, anyone an idea where my battery monitor went? or should I reboot again to see if it comes up? (that is really a windows solution though :P)
Oct 16 09:07:55 <MohammadAG51> N900 got dented :/
Oct 16 09:08:17 <alterego> Battle scars every N900 should have 'em :D
Oct 16 09:08:24 <pupnik_> wow
Oct 16 09:15:05 <dreamer> hmm, nope, still no battery monitor :/
Oct 16 09:50:01 <psycho_oreos> any of you guys noticed a strange behaviour that some music players/games won't play audio through to bluetooth headsets when N900 is already paired with one? I've only just noticed today that all of the sudden audio is actually playing through my headsets using instinctiv. I'm looking through the kernel logs as I believe there has been some issues that may have led up to muted audio to bluetooth headset
Oct 16 10:20:25 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Oct 16 10:24:29 <RST38h> Meanwhile: http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Record+numbers+of+Finns+resign+from+church+after+gay+rights+panel+discussion+on+TV+/1135260896872
Oct 16 10:28:26 <loft306>  heh
Oct 16 10:34:56 <dreamer> hmm, I'm trying to change the default shell to bash wth chsh, but I get a '/bin/bash is an invalid shell.'
Oct 16 10:40:01 <psycho_oreos> are you sure you have installed bash3?
Oct 16 10:41:35 <SpeedEvil> dreamer: the normal scrips do not work with badsh, and you end up witha device ahte bootloops if you do that.
Oct 16 10:41:38 <SpeedEvil> scripts
Oct 16 10:41:39 <SpeedEvil> bash
Oct 16 10:41:42 <SpeedEvil> that
Oct 16 10:41:46 * SpeedEvil sighs.
Oct 16 10:42:02 <psycho_oreos> isn't it bash-setup that is borked? I dunno I just manually edit /etc/passwd lol
Oct 16 10:42:07 <SpeedEvil> dunno
Oct 16 10:42:34 <SpeedEvil> I just remember that maybe half a dozen people have bootlooped their device trying
Oct 16 10:42:36 <psycho_oreos> I've tried numerous times to set the logged in user (which is obviously user) as bash but it never works
Oct 16 10:42:49 <psycho_oreos> ahh yes
Oct 16 10:43:12 <SpeedEvil> Also - bash is considerably slower with scripting.
Oct 16 10:43:13 <psycho_oreos> I wouldn't dare symlink /bin/ash with /bin/bash lol I saw that coming real quick when autodisconnect fails to work
Oct 16 10:43:42 <SpeedEvil> As with busybox, everything is uilt in - so all of the 'builtin' commands start lots fasrter, with less RAM use.
Oct 16 10:44:22 <psycho_oreos> the only problem is that busybox's standard ash or sh is somewhat less user friendly
Oct 16 10:45:44 <dreamer> SpeedEvil: ah .. hmm, so I can't use it as the default shell?
Oct 16 10:46:00 <dreamer> or any other shell except for the default ash?
Oct 16 10:46:14 <SpeedEvil> nope.
Oct 16 10:46:23 <dreamer> meh
Oct 16 10:46:25 <SpeedEvil> Well - not without verifying all of the scripts run as user work OK
Oct 16 10:47:07 <SpeedEvil> Look at ls -l /bin/|grep busybox
Oct 16 10:47:31 <SpeedEvil> All of these start considerably faster with busybox than bash or whatever, and use less RAM, as they are mostly already in RAM
Oct 16 10:47:52 <SpeedEvil> For scripting, on a constrained platform, busybox is clearly the correct solution.
Oct 16 10:48:49 <psycho_oreos> I use /bin/bash as default shell for my own account, works fine, just don't go symlinking /bin/ash or /bin/sh as /bin/bash lol
Oct 16 10:49:15 <psycho_oreos> doesn't mean that you'll need to code work with /bin/bash it just means that you now have 3rd option
Oct 16 10:49:23 <psycho_oreos> s/code/script/
Oct 16 10:49:23 <infobot> psycho_oreos meant: doesn't mean that you'll need to script work with /bin/bash it just means that you now have 3rd option
Oct 16 10:49:36 <SpeedEvil> Souns sane - I haven't investigated closely.
Oct 16 10:49:47 <SpeedEvil> replacing sh with bash was never very interesting to me.
Oct 16 10:49:53 <dreamer> psycho_oreos: I installed bash with apt yes
Oct 16 10:50:15 <dreamer> I'm also considering zsh actually (don't know if that's available though)
Oct 16 10:50:22 <dreamer> heard many wonderfull things about it ;)
Oct 16 10:50:24 <psycho_oreos> dreamer, I meant bash3, and manually edit /etc/passwd (if you're confident with CLI work)
Oct 16 10:50:41 <psycho_oreos> SpeedEvil, I wouldn't do symlinking, you'd probably end up bootloops :D
Oct 16 10:51:08 <dreamer> psycho_oreos: I did usermod -s /bin/bash user
Oct 16 10:51:38 <dreamer> seemed to work, but my regular .bashrc didn't seem to do anything (fancy colouring and such)
Oct 16 10:51:39 <psycho_oreos> dreamer, ahh I didn't try that.. I tried bash-setup a couple of times before giving it up and hand editing /etc/passwd
Oct 16 10:52:23 <dreamer> psycho_oreos: tried chsh first, didn't work (but maybe because of busybox' commands), anyway for you bash seems to work just fine with busybox' scripts?
Oct 16 10:52:37 <psycho_oreos> you'll need to symlink it with .bash_profile.. my one when I hand edited /etc/passwd gave me colourful prompt for user which is not what I want and I found out symlinking ~/.bash_profile to ~/.bashrc works
Oct 16 10:53:22 <psycho_oreos> dreamer, yes as long as busybox scripts continue using /bin/ash or /bin/sh respectively.. like I said I only changed it for user logins or else you'd have a very fubared setup :)
Oct 16 10:53:57 <pupnik_> see solitaire on wine on n900? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfcEsJc74Qs
Oct 16 10:54:00 <dreamer> psycho_oreos: ok, well with userbod it should only by for user right? :)
Oct 16 10:54:07 <dreamer> mod*
Oct 16 10:54:09 <dreamer> be*
Oct 16 10:54:19 <dreamer> (typoterror in this chan eh?)
Oct 16 10:54:20 <psycho_oreos> dreamer, never really tried that :)
Oct 16 10:54:37 <dreamer> usermod is the same as editting /etc/passwd afaik
Oct 16 10:54:46 <dreamer> except you don't need to use an editor ;)
Oct 16 10:55:15 <psycho_oreos> sometimes proper user intervention armed with nothing than a text editor is the only way :D
Oct 16 10:56:04 <psycho_oreos> if usermod has successfully changed user's shell to bash, you should be able to grep that via /etc/passwd
Oct 16 10:57:23 <psycho_oreos> grep /bin/bash /etc/passwd
Oct 16 10:59:56 <dreamer> psycho_oreos: yup
Oct 16 10:59:58 <psycho_oreos> any of you guys managed to install man-db? looks like I managed to make a massive dep hell
Oct 16 11:02:33 <dreamer> anyway, back to trying to get ssh-agent to work with this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=19370
Oct 16 11:03:29 <dreamer> specifically the .bash_profile snippet at the end, or does anyone have another sollution to this?
Oct 16 11:20:53 <dreamer> wewt, got ssh-agent working \o/
Oct 16 11:21:03 <dreamer> this phone is getting better and better ;)
Oct 16 11:21:13 <dreamer> too bad advanced-power-manager didn't work
Oct 16 11:23:51 <psycho_oreos> dreamer, you got bt headset/headphone?
Oct 16 11:24:09 <dreamer> no, why?
Oct 16 11:24:30 <psycho_oreos> curious, got an issue with intermittent audio not working through bt headset
Oct 16 11:32:28 <jpinx-eeepc> dreamer: I am trying to get X over ssh to work, but I can't get the display to come up in the laptop that is ssh'd in
Oct 16 11:41:54 <dreamer> jpinx-eeepc: so? why you telling me? :P
Oct 16 11:42:19 <jpinx-eeepc> asking -- in case you had managed it...
Oct 16 11:42:43 <dreamer> I barely have my n900 for 24 hours
Oct 16 11:43:09 <dreamer> but ehm, this a general ssh-question?
Oct 16 11:43:12 <dreamer> eh, x-forwarding
Oct 16 11:43:57 <dreamer> what are you using on your work-pc? (on linux or windoze?)
Oct 16 11:45:29 <jpinx-eeepc> linux - debian stable
Oct 16 11:45:41 <jpinx-eeepc> I ssh in with -x AS PER USUAL
Oct 16 11:45:46 <jpinx-eeepc> Ooops
Oct 16 11:46:08 <jpinx-eeepc> and sshfs works fine too
Oct 16 11:47:28 <jpinx-eeepc> I have a custom chroot of squeeze in the n900 and installed links2 to test from the remote laptop, but links2 -g google.com pops up on the phone screen
Oct 16 11:48:46 <alterego> I guess I should do a full backup of my N900
Oct 16 11:50:03 * haj just remembers it's been a while since he rsync'ed his N900... :)
Oct 16 11:51:08 * psycho_oreos is being reminded of dar
Oct 16 11:55:33 <psycho_oreos> dreamer, did you find out more info about zsh on n900?
Oct 16 11:55:47 <dreamer> psycho_oreos: nope, didn't look :P
Oct 16 11:56:10 <psycho_oreos> dreamer, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie
Oct 16 11:56:16 <dreamer> jpinx-eeepc: thought it was -X ;)
Oct 16 11:56:30 <dreamer> jpinx-eeepc: is the server set up to enable x-forwarding?
Oct 16 11:57:24 <jpinx-eeepc> yes . sorry for the typo - it's actually ssh -tX blah
Oct 16 11:57:56 <dreamer> psycho_oreos: ok, so it's in the repo .. but he says 'don't use it as the default', but is that for user or for the system? :P
Oct 16 11:58:08 <dreamer> psycho_oreos: anyway, I'm happy that I got ssh-agent to work now ;)
Oct 16 11:58:13 <jpinx-eeepc> and the laptop is already used for ssh x-forwarding from another box
Oct 16 11:58:26 <dreamer> jpinx-eeepc: ok, then it's just weird :P
Oct 16 11:58:46 <psycho_oreos> dreamer, its in a custom repo and I think it might be for the user but not that I have tried zsh or that repo anyway. I'm browsing the repo as we speak
Oct 16 11:58:55 <dreamer> maybe ask in #debian or the distro-channel of your laptop. not in any way #maemo related
Oct 16 11:59:47 <jpinx-eeepc> dreamer: yea - it's to do with how  consoles are allocated in maemo - I'll sort it later, just hoped for a shortcut ;)
Oct 16 12:00:32 <dreamer> jpinx-eeepc: ok wait, you _are_ trying to x-forward on your maemo device?
Oct 16 12:00:51 <dreamer> because you mentioned your home-laptop and work-pc .. so not sure what you mean
Oct 16 12:00:57 <jpinx-eeepc> yes
Oct 16 12:01:53 <jpinx-eeepc> dreamer: a chroot in the n900, ssh -tX in from my laptop, run links2 -g google.com from remote and it comes up in the n900 screen
Oct 16 12:02:40 <dreamer> ok, I have no idea why you would do a setup like that :P
Oct 16 12:03:13 <jpinx-eeepc> so that I can use a decent-sized kbd and screen whie running X applications on the n900
Oct 16 12:03:29 * dreamer try BlessN900
Oct 16 12:03:49 <psycho_oreos> you'll need to restart N900 after installing that
Oct 16 12:04:08 <dreamer> psycho_oreos: I know :)
Oct 16 12:04:35 * dreamer wishes he was in a world where qwerty was not the standard keyboard layout
Oct 16 12:05:00 <dreamer> to be honest it really does not work well when typing with your thumbs (or any other time tbh)
Oct 16 12:05:30 <psycho_oreos> well you can get azwerty keyboard I think for n900
Oct 16 12:05:47 <dreamer> same
Oct 16 12:05:54 * dreamer likes dvorak
Oct 16 12:06:24 <dreamer> the n900 keyboard isn't very optimal anyway, I've seen some 4-rowed smartphones that looked more logical
Oct 16 12:06:28 <dreamer> ah well
Oct 16 12:06:35 <dreamer> the rest of the specs are awesome ;)
Oct 16 12:06:35 * psycho_oreos has never used any other keyboard other than qwerty.. granted the keyboard on n900 is puny making most of the typing a thumbwork but then again
Oct 16 12:06:56 <dreamer> psycho_oreos: if you like your hands, don't use qwerty ;)
Oct 16 12:06:57 <jpinx-eeepc> hence my use of a thin client ;)
Oct 16 12:07:09 <psycho_oreos> yeah someone else also complained about 3 row keyboard for n900
Oct 16 12:07:15 <dreamer> jpinx-eeepc: oh now it's a thin client?
Oct 16 12:07:35 <dreamer> so how many computers are you using to x-forward? :P
Oct 16 12:07:37 <psycho_oreos> dreamer, lol ok I'm not willing to go into keyboard layout wars :)
Oct 16 12:07:57 <dreamer> hehe
Oct 16 12:08:07 <jpinx-eeepc> dreamer: a laptop ssh'd into the n900 to operte the n900 apps - a thin client
Oct 16 12:08:09 <dreamer> ah well, it's all the fault of the typewriter industry :(
Oct 16 12:08:30 <psycho_oreos> mouse can be argued as the least hand friendliest :) known to cause RSI and even worse CTS
Oct 16 12:08:31 <dreamer> jpinx-eeepc: I thought the home-laptop was the one forwarding
Oct 16 12:08:38 <dreamer> and the work-pc the client
Oct 16 12:08:47 <dreamer> didn't really understand what te n900 even had to do with it :P
Oct 16 12:08:48 <ShadowJK> the actual keys on the N900 are awesome though
Oct 16 12:09:04 <jpinx-eeepc> dreamer: the n900 is where everything runs
Oct 16 12:09:04 <ShadowJK> everything else has so flat keys, with no distinctive feel for when you've pressed the key or not
Oct 16 12:09:20 <psycho_oreos> i.e. touchscreen? :)
Oct 16 12:09:33 <dreamer> jpinx-eeepc: maybe explain your topology again
Oct 16 12:10:40 <kloklo> hello
Oct 16 12:10:41 <psycho_oreos> I remember someone posted a link in here about how there was experimental work on n900 in making touchscreen feels a little more like touching keys or something
Oct 16 12:11:09 <jpinx-eeepc> dreamer: n900 with USB cable to laptop. Laptop ssh -tX user@n900. Run X application from the cli over ssh and it does not come up in the laptop screen, but on the n900 screen
Oct 16 12:11:12 <psycho_oreos> too bad it's not available for the production series of n900 it was some privately made stuff
Oct 16 12:11:20 <psycho_oreos> kloklo, hi
Oct 16 12:11:35 <jpinx-eeepc> kloklo: o/
Oct 16 12:12:02 <kloklo> excuse me, is there a way to have irc in conversation ? (like the msn, skype plugin)
Oct 16 12:12:31 <psycho_oreos> doubt it
Oct 16 12:12:39 <kloklo> (sorry for my poor english btw, i'm french..)
Oct 16 12:12:49 <jpinx-eeepc> kloklo: not sure exactly which way round you want to do it, but bitlbee puts all messangers into an irc client
Oct 16 12:13:07 <psycho_oreos> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19510-nokia-touchscreen-creates-texture-illusion.html
Oct 16 12:13:20 <dreamer> jpinx-eeepc: then what did your work-pc have to do with it?
Oct 16 12:13:49 * jpinx-eeepc does not remember mentioning a work pc
Oct 16 12:14:16 <dreamer> ok, my bad then .. I thought you did :P
Oct 16 12:14:20 <jpinx-eeepc> :)
Oct 16 12:14:33 <dreamer> jpinx-eeepc: anyway, did you set /etc/ssh/ssh_config ForwardX11 yes ?
Oct 16 12:14:35 <kloklo> jpinx-eeepc: mm, no the idea was to have some sort of irc directly in conversation on n900...
Oct 16 12:15:22 <psycho_oreos> I can't really imagine how conversation would work with irc, one would have so many users popping up in contacts lol
Oct 16 12:15:36 <dreamer> jpinx-eeepc: lol, I see where I got it wrong: 'X over ssh to work' << I thought you wanted to forward ssh to your work ;)
Oct 16 12:15:39 <dreamer> haha
Oct 16 12:15:48 <dreamer> sorry, not really awake yet (ahum, got up like 4 hours ago ..)
Oct 16 12:15:57 <jpinx-eeepc> heh
Oct 16 12:16:09 <kloklo> psycho_oreos: yeah i know, just wanted to try :)
Oct 16 12:16:15 <jpinx-eeepc> kloklo: irssi works in the n900 for irc
Oct 16 12:16:23 <psycho_oreos> and then there's xchat
Oct 16 12:16:46 <kloklo> yeah i already use xchat, it's good
Oct 16 12:16:50 <jpinx-eeepc> kloklo: and bitlbee *is* what you want
Oct 16 12:17:06 <jpinx-eeepc> unless I am totally misunderstanding you
Oct 16 12:17:31 <psycho_oreos> kloklo, no afaik it isn't available.. maybe you can start making one.. but I think one will be humiliated.. I mean what if one is in multiple channels whereby there's at least more than 100 users per channel? :)
Oct 16 12:17:42 <dreamer> jpinx-eeepc: so, did you set that config?
Oct 16 12:17:46 <kloklo> jpinx-eeepc: haha why ? bitlbee iirc is for having msn/etc.. on irc ..
Oct 16 12:18:09 <psycho_oreos> spend eternity scrolling through contacts if you don't recall a handle's first letter
Oct 16 12:18:17 <jpinx-eeepc> kloklo: that's what you want - chatrooms in yahoo in your irc client -- am I right?
Oct 16 12:18:19 <kloklo> yep i know
Oct 16 12:20:27 <kloklo> my idea was to connect to my own irc server (with pratically no one on it..) and then when the few people who comes on it are talking, i can see it, without the need to have a full irc client (xchat or irssi) always on..(battery wise..)
Oct 16 12:21:14 <ShadowJK> I think the biggest energy cost is for the communications, not the CPU
Oct 16 12:21:19 <ShadowJK> atleast in the case of xchat
Oct 16 12:21:28 <psycho_oreos> to have irc server on n900 would somewhat be overkill and I don't think there would be that many people use IRC these days.. hardly any of my peers use IRC
Oct 16 12:21:37 <ShadowJK> (the one in maemo repositories have had all the CPU consumption during idle cut out)
Oct 16 12:21:51 <dreamer> just run irssi with bitlbee on a server somewhere
Oct 16 12:21:55 <alterego> Right, well, I've done a selective backup of what I want to keep, and I've done a full backup just incase I've forgotten anything ^.^
Oct 16 12:22:03 <dreamer> you only need a terminal on your n900 .. and hey, it's already there!
Oct 16 12:22:06 <korhojoa> that is what i do, i've got irssi with bitlbee on a serer at home
Oct 16 12:22:26 <korhojoa> i also have irssi running on the phone, which connects using irssi_proxy
Oct 16 12:22:38 <dreamer> I haven't used bitlbee in about 6 months though .. too lazy to set it up again :P
Oct 16 12:22:42 <korhojoa> this provides access even when connectivity is bad
Oct 16 12:22:48 <korhojoa> setting it up is trivial
Oct 16 12:22:56 <kloklo> but then you have to manually check if there is activity on the channels..
Oct 16 12:22:57 <dvoid_> i need a text to speech-call function to maemo ;)
Oct 16 12:22:59 <vdv> have anybody tried to install diff?
Oct 16 12:23:01 <dreamer> hmmm irssi_proxy?
Oct 16 12:23:13 <kloklo> with a plugin, the led can blinks and tell you
Oct 16 12:23:25 <korhojoa> yes, irssi_proxy. it lets you run irssi as a kind of bouncer
Oct 16 12:24:08 <dreamer> hmm
Oct 16 12:24:19 <jpinx-eeepc> dreamer: #   ForwardX11 no
Oct 16 12:24:43 <jpinx-eeepc> commented out  . or should I uncomment it and say "yes"-
Oct 16 12:25:32 <dreamer> jpinx-eeepc: uncomment and say yes
Oct 16 12:25:43 <kloklo> in fact i actually saw and tested a plugin for that, too bad it didn't work :)
Oct 16 12:25:45 <kloklo> http://maemo.org/packages/view/account-plugin-idle/
Oct 16 12:25:46 <jpinx-eeepc> korhojoa: not having a server at home I use screen and leave irssi running ;)
Oct 16 12:25:48 <dreamer> korhojoa: hmmm, sorry, I prefer just running irssi in screen and connecting over ssh :P
Oct 16 12:25:55 <dreamer> don't need to run irss local :p
Oct 16 12:26:04 <korhojoa> yeah, but that's really not an option when on a train here
Oct 16 12:26:16 <korhojoa> connectivity is really really bad, so ssh keeps getting disconnected
Oct 16 12:26:32 <dreamer> hmm, trie
Oct 16 12:26:33 <dreamer> true*
Oct 16 12:26:34 <korhojoa> local irssi just takes a while to get messages, but it at least doesn't require me to reconnect all the time
Oct 16 12:26:53 <dreamer> well, ssh didn't disconnect or timeout here, but it's not big fun :P
Oct 16 12:30:31 <kloklo> mm, i will test xchat on a day-usage to see if it drains the battery :)
Oct 16 12:30:31 <jpinx-eeepc> dreamer: ok - did the uncomment and changed to yes, restarted ssh , but same result - links2 -g google.com comes up in the n900 screen
Oct 16 12:31:25 <dreamer> ok, because that is the exact config that would enable it for you :P
Oct 16 12:31:30 <dreamer> did you completely restart sshd?
Oct 16 12:32:12 <kloklo> see ya guys
Oct 16 12:32:13 <jpinx-eeepc> dreamer: /etc/init.d/ssh restart
Oct 16 12:32:20 <kloklo> have a nice day
Oct 16 12:32:25 <kloklo> bye
Oct 16 12:32:50 <jpinx-eeepc> dreamer: all done as root
Oct 16 12:33:26 <dreamer> k, I don't have sshd installed, so can't check
Oct 16 12:33:34 <dreamer> and kind of have other stuff to do
Oct 16 12:33:37 <dreamer> good luck though :)
Oct 16 12:33:49 <jpinx-eeepc> dreamer: ok - thanks anyway :)
Oct 16 12:34:04 <dreamer> ttl
Oct 16 12:52:09 <steinex> can i safely remove ~/MyDocs/.Trash-1000?
Oct 16 12:56:57 <jpinx-eeepc> steinex: I suggest you can delete it's contents, but the system might depend on it existing
Oct 16 12:57:20 <steinex> i mean the content of course ;)
Oct 16 12:57:31 <steinex> just wondered that there is a trash anyway
Oct 16 12:59:28 <jpinx-eeepc> let me look...
Oct 16 13:01:01 <jpinx-eeepc> steinex: I do not appear to have that file
Oct 16 13:14:48 <vdv> how can i look package detail info with dpkg?
Oct 16 13:16:19 <SpeedEvil> apt-cache show less
Oct 16 13:21:40 <jpinx-eeepc> I have ssh -Xt into my n900 over usb networking, installed a chroot of squeeze there, installed links2, set X-forwarding to "yes" in both the phones native OS  and in the chroot, but the display of links2 -g google.com still comes up in the phone, not the laptop - any ideas anyone?
Oct 16 13:23:30 <SpeedEvil> check your /etc/sshd/config - or whatever the file is - is set to allow it
Oct 16 13:23:33 <lindi-> jpinx-eeepc: echo $DISPLAY
Oct 16 13:25:03 <jpinx-eeepc> SpeedEvil:    ForwardX11 yes
Oct 16 13:25:23 <jpinx-eeepc> lindi-: in the laptop or the phone?
Oct 16 13:25:49 <jacktheripper> does the N900 have a gyroscope ?
Oct 16 13:26:21 <jacktheripper> I saw one mentioned i the hardware page, but no info on how to use it, just the accelerometer
Oct 16 13:27:14 <jacktheripper> oh it's under 'additional hardware'..
Oct 16 13:27:30 <Ergon> maemo
Oct 16 13:28:11 <jpinx-eeepc> lindi-: jpinx@chroot-N900:/# echo $DISPLAY
Oct 16 13:28:12 <jpinx-eeepc> :0.0
Oct 16 13:28:23 <Ergon> maemo
Oct 16 13:29:21 <jpinx-eeepc> Ergon: root@Nokia-N900:~# echo $DISPLAY
Oct 16 13:29:22 <jpinx-eeepc> :0.0
Oct 16 13:29:29 <Ergon> maemo
Oct 16 13:29:51 <psycho_oreos> interesting iputils and valgrind is not available in the tools repo
Oct 16 13:29:59 <Ergon> maemo
Oct 16 13:30:22 <lcuk> Ergon, :D
Oct 16 13:30:28 <Ergon> maemo
Oct 16 13:30:58 <psycho_oreos> banstick anyone? :)
Oct 16 13:31:04 <Ergon> why
Oct 16 13:31:09 <lcuk> psycho_oreos, valgrind was not working on arm until recently afaik
Oct 16 13:31:30 <psycho_oreos> Ergon, all you do is repeat `maemo'
Oct 16 13:31:34 <psycho_oreos> lcuk, bah
Oct 16 13:31:48 <Ergon> psycho_oreos: it's correct
Oct 16 13:32:03 <jpinx-eeepc> lindi-: sorry - those pastes were for you
Oct 16 13:32:09 <Ergon> maemo
Oct 16 13:32:46 <psycho_oreos> Ergon, and you don't have anything better to do than to repeat `maemo' with occasional responses to words other than `maemo'?
Oct 16 13:33:04 <Ergon> maemo is correct
Oct 16 13:34:10 <lindi-> psycho_oreos: valgrind support for arm is still bit incomplete?
Oct 16 13:34:28 <Ergon> maemo
Oct 16 13:34:32 <psycho_oreos> lindi-, I dunno I couldn't get the package installed
Oct 16 13:34:57 <Ergon> maemo
Oct 16 13:34:57 <lcuk> Ergon, :) what do you like most about maemo
Oct 16 13:34:59 <psycho_oreos> despite it being noted on the wiki as dev tools for fremantle
Oct 16 13:35:08 <Ergon> lcuk: that it's correct
Oct 16 13:35:14 <lcuk> define correct
Oct 16 13:35:26 <Ergon> maemo is a correct word
Oct 16 13:36:16 <lcuk> maemo is a word generated by a password gen thingy, its enetered normal use as an uber cool debian based os, but what do you specifically like about maemo beyond just the word itself
Oct 16 13:36:56 <Ergon> maemo is a word with an immense beauty.
Oct 16 13:37:18 <lcuk> which way do you pronounce it?
Oct 16 13:37:29 <MohammadAG> sounds like a bot to me
Oct 16 13:37:30 <Ergon> meimo
Oct 16 13:37:38 <Ergon> mohammadag sucks
Oct 16 13:37:49 <jacktheripper> too bad it's being replaced by meego -.-
Oct 16 13:38:49 <Ergon> maemo
Oct 16 13:38:52 <xDaReaperx> yeah as i was asking : how many meters can the FM Transmit frequencies to ? if it is set to 120 as the max transmissino rate
Oct 16 13:38:53 <MohammadAG> bot!
Oct 16 13:39:04 <Ergon> mohammadag: silence.
Oct 16 13:39:10 <Ergon> you suck.
Oct 16 13:39:19 <lardman> ~curse Debian for their naming scheme
Oct 16 13:39:20 <infobot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Debian for their naming scheme !
Oct 16 13:39:20 <MohammadAG> smart one
Oct 16 13:39:23 <lcuk> xDaReaperx, its different based on environmental conditions
Oct 16 13:39:33 <Ergon> maemo
Oct 16 13:39:43 <lcuk> with a large reciever dish you could potentially pick up the signal from 100s of miles away :P
Oct 16 13:39:47 <Ergon> maemo
Oct 16 13:39:48 <xDaReaperx> hmm at 111 it transmits only upto 1-2 meters
Oct 16 13:39:50 <xDaReaperx> for me
Oct 16 13:39:50 <lardman> What do you think one would call this in Debian? http://pythonqt.sourceforge.net/
Oct 16 13:39:53 <xDaReaperx> weird
Oct 16 13:39:54 <Ergon> maemo
Oct 16 13:40:01 <MohammadAG> installing a bot
Oct 16 13:40:05 <Ergon> maemo
Oct 16 13:40:16 <MohammadAG> nope, doesn't reply to bot...
Oct 16 13:40:17 <xDaReaperx> Oh okay it's also based on how you receive the frequencies
Oct 16 13:40:29 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer51 ping? +q in order
Oct 16 13:40:48 <Ergon> mohammadag is a moron
Oct 16 13:41:00 <xDaReaperx> =/
Oct 16 13:41:03 <MohammadAG> lol?
Oct 16 13:41:14 <Ergon> maemo
Oct 16 13:41:21 <maybeWTF> mmmatt damon?
Oct 16 13:41:22 <lcuk> yes xDaReaperx - some cars have antennas which are not in direct line of sight through the window and the signal has to travel through the metal roof
Oct 16 13:41:37 <Ergon> maemo is a correct and beautiful word
Oct 16 13:41:50 <xDaReaperx> Hmm i was playing it on my Home theater .. didn't try it in my car yet
Oct 16 13:42:24 <Ergon> maemo is a correct and beautiful word. do you concur?
Oct 16 13:43:31 <MohammadAG> ok?
Oct 16 13:43:45 <Ergon> do you concur, moron?
Oct 16 13:43:54 <lardman> Ergon: shut up
Oct 16 13:44:26 <Ergon> lardman sucks
Oct 16 13:44:30 * lardman is not overly happy
Oct 16 13:44:40 <RST38h> moo, lardman
Oct 16 13:44:40 <Ergon> haha
Oct 16 13:44:42 <lardman> saturday shopping does that to a man
Oct 16 13:44:46 <lardman> hey RST38h
Oct 16 13:44:51 <Ergon> lardman is a douchebag
Oct 16 13:44:58 <MohammadAG> ugh for fuck's sake
Oct 16 13:45:00 <xDaReaperx> lol
Oct 16 13:45:03 <MohammadAG> what do ops do on this channel
Oct 16 13:45:06 <lardman> someone kick him
Oct 16 13:45:11 * MohammadAG pings Stskeeps and GeneralAntilles 
Oct 16 13:45:12 <Ergon> mohammadag: go back to mekka
Oct 16 13:45:13 <RST38h> And what is this little funny fece?
Oct 16 13:45:20 <Ergon> maemo
Oct 16 13:45:32 <MohammadAG> nice, it's not a bot
Oct 16 13:45:43 <Ergon> mohammadag is a muslim
Oct 16 13:45:52 <Stskeeps> MohammadAG: what?
Oct 16 13:45:53 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 16 13:45:54 <MohammadAG> thanks for the input captain obvious lol
Oct 16 13:45:58 <xDaReaperx> lol wut ?
Oct 16 13:46:00 <RST38h> Good! WE HAVE GOT A LIVE ONE!
Oct 16 13:46:01 <MohammadAG> Stskeeps, annoying bot/retard, whatever
Oct 16 13:46:08 <Stskeeps> Ergon: what are you?
Oct 16 13:46:14 <Ergon> an ergon.
Oct 16 13:46:20 <lardman> MohammadAG: not bright enough to be a bot
Oct 16 13:46:26 <maybeWTF> eliza gone wild, maemo edition
Oct 16 13:46:33 <RST38h> Stskeeps: Do you really want to know that or should an IP address ban suffice?
Oct 16 13:46:43 <MohammadAG> lol
Oct 16 13:46:52 <Ergon> mohammadag sucks
Oct 16 13:47:23 <RST38h> Wrong move.
Oct 16 13:47:24 <lardman> thanks Stskeeps
Oct 16 13:47:47 <lardman> what does mode +q do?
Oct 16 13:47:52 <RST38h> quiets him
Oct 16 13:47:53 <MohammadAG> quiet
Oct 16 13:48:02 <lardman> ok
Oct 16 13:48:05 <RST38h> But setting it to a nickname is kinda useless
Oct 16 13:48:17 <MohammadAG> that's an ident, not a nickname
Oct 16 13:48:42 <jpinx-eeepc> lindi-: did you get my DISPLAY settings?
Oct 16 13:48:44 <RST38h> No.
Oct 16 13:48:46 <xDaReaperx_> wow it is true , can't see the 360p and 480p options on youtube while browsing with the N900
Oct 16 13:48:54 <RST38h> Anything to the left of ! is nickname
Oct 16 13:49:07 <psycho_oreos> user!ident@host
Oct 16 13:49:07 * lardman prepares to do some Debianisation
Oct 16 13:49:15 <lardman> urgh
Oct 16 13:50:39 <lindi-> jpinx-eeepc: yes, it points to local display
Oct 16 13:51:27 <psycho_oreos> any of you guys have bluetooth headset/headphone and uses music players like instinctiv or symfonie and have music playing through bluetooth headset/headphones? I'm having intermittent issues with mine, it has only worked once so far. Every other time I don't get sounds coming out of my bluetooth headset/headphone.
Oct 16 13:51:32 <lardman> would people be unhappy if I pushed a package called python-qt?
Oct 16 13:51:41 <lardman> it looks rather similar to the pyqt package names
Oct 16 13:51:47 <jpinx-eeepc> lindi-: so how do I make it point to the laptop when the command comes over ssh?
Oct 16 13:51:55 <lardman> oops, or rather mine would be called pythonqt, with no -
Oct 16 13:52:01 <MohammadAG> lardman, I'd ask achipa first
Oct 16 13:52:08 <lindi-> jpinx-eeepc: what ssh server and client are you using?
Oct 16 13:52:08 <MohammadAG> /atilia77 on tmo
Oct 16 13:52:24 <jpinx-eeepc> lindi-: openssh
Oct 16 13:52:28 <lardman> it's not PyQt, it's allows Python scripts to be called from inside Qt
Oct 16 13:52:44 <lardman> and is actually called PythonQt confusingly
Oct 16 13:53:01 <lardman> hence my larting the Debian naming scheme
Oct 16 13:53:22 <lindi-> jpinx-eeepc: I guess enabling ForwardX11 on both ends and installing xauth should be enough
Oct 16 13:53:39 <MohammadAG> lardman, python-qt-scripts?
Oct 16 13:53:44 <jpinx-eeepc> lindi-: done all that and restarted ssh
Oct 16 13:55:16 <lardman> MohammadAG: bit ambiguous though that name
Oct 16 13:55:23 <lardman> though I guess pythonqt is too
Oct 16 13:56:15 <lardman> perhaps I could go for qtpython as it does the reverse of python-qt ;)
Oct 16 13:56:47 <lardman> in fact I think I'll leave it called pythonqt, as that is the sourceforge name, and make it clear in the description what it's for
Oct 16 13:59:36 <lardman> ah, perhaps libpythonqt
Oct 16 13:59:57 * lardman should really get on with Debianising rather than talking about it to delay the pain
Oct 16 14:12:20 <noodles900> lindi-: on restartng ssh in the n900 I get this http://paste.debian.net/96744/
Oct 16 14:13:26 <GAN900> I know I love it when MicroB decides to rerender pages for no reason while you're reading them.
Oct 16 14:20:13 <flux> gan900, ..and mess a finely rendered page in the process..
Oct 16 14:29:57 <atorok> hi, does anyone have connection problems with yahoo IM  ?
Oct 16 14:30:02 <atorok> it just stoped working for me
Oct 16 14:31:12 <jpinx-eeepc> atorok: I'm  online there atm
Oct 16 14:34:20 * lardman is quite impressed by the maemo packaging/debianisation docs
Oct 16 14:34:25 <lardman> well done dneary
Oct 16 14:34:47 <atorok> on http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/account-plugin-haze/ and it seems other people are having this trouble too ...
Oct 16 14:35:10 <atorok> jpinx-eeepc: did you do any upgradeing lateley ?
Oct 16 14:40:38 <jpinx-eeepc> atorok: upgrading of what?
Oct 16 14:41:08 <atorok> jpinx-eeepc: anything. I got an for some packages a couple of days ago
Oct 16 14:41:14 <atorok> that might have caused it
Oct 16 14:41:25 <atorok> i didn't chekc exactly what was it
Oct 16 14:41:38 <jpinx-eeepc> atorok: I update often
Oct 16 14:41:52 <atorok> jpinx-eeepc: how about in the last 3 days or so ?
Oct 16 14:42:01 <atorok> jpinx-eeepc: do you have pending updates now?
Oct 16 14:42:03 <jpinx-eeepc> often = daily
Oct 16 14:42:10 <lardman> hmm, error: Python.h: No such file or directory
Oct 16 14:42:45 <jpinx-eeepc> atorok: everytime you open apps manager it hunts for updates.
Oct 16 14:46:45 <MohammadAG> does hildon allow non full screen popups?
Oct 16 14:47:00 <ruskie> dreamer, don't use it as default anywhere
Oct 16 14:47:16 <dreamer> ruskie: bash?
Oct 16 14:47:22 <ruskie> dreamer, zsh
Oct 16 14:47:33 <lardman> Does python come with a pkgconfig file, apparently not, does one have to manually add include paths for apps that require python then?
Oct 16 14:47:38 <dreamer> ok, not that interested to use zsh actually, just wondering
Oct 16 14:47:42 <dreamer> ruskie: why not actually?
Oct 16 14:47:51 <lardman> MohammadAG: dialogs?
Oct 16 14:47:52 <ruskie> dreamer, all my experiments turned out to break the system
Oct 16 14:48:00 <ruskie> dreamer, either root or user
Oct 16 14:48:07 <ruskie> in both cases the system became unbootable
Oct 16 14:48:19 <dreamer> ok, weird that it won't boot as user though
Oct 16 14:48:24 <MohammadAG> lardman, not exactly useful to what I want to do
Oct 16 14:48:40 <lardman> sorry! :)
Oct 16 14:48:42 <dreamer> for busybox I can imagine it won't work (aka root-stuff). but shouldn't matter that much for user should it?
Oct 16 14:48:42 <MohammadAG> lardman, shitty video, but still http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-TLJcKbl2c
Oct 16 14:48:48 <dreamer> anyway, now using bash for user .. and is fine :)
Oct 16 14:49:02 <dreamer> ruskie: I think I'll try zsh for my server and/or laptop first some time :)
Oct 16 14:49:14 <lardman> MohammadAG: ah I see
Oct 16 14:49:35 <ruskie> dreamer, I just put into the .sh_profile or .shrc to launch zsh as my shell when I ssh... and just have a separate terminal shortcut to launch it with zsh
Oct 16 14:49:54 <lardman> MohammadAG: no idea though, sorry
Oct 16 14:50:08 <dreamer> ruskie: why?
Oct 16 14:50:25 <ruskie> as said... caused breakages for me
Oct 16 14:50:26 <dreamer> why not have zsh for your user on the remote host then?
Oct 16 14:50:32 <ruskie> I meant on the n900
Oct 16 14:50:46 <dreamer> what does ssh have to do with it then?
Oct 16 14:50:52 <ruskie> I ssh into the device?
Oct 16 14:50:53 <dreamer> anyway, w/e don't use it :P
Oct 16 14:51:07 <dreamer> ok, but why use it at all then? if it breaks stuff
Oct 16 14:51:22 <ruskie> because zsh to me is better than other shells
Oct 16 14:51:23 <dreamer> or it just breaks the boot and not while turned on?
Oct 16 14:51:25 <xDaReaperx> meh
Oct 16 14:51:26 <dreamer> hehe
Oct 16 14:51:31 <ruskie> it just breaks boot
Oct 16 14:51:33 <ruskie> not while on
Oct 16 14:52:14 <dreamer> ok
Oct 16 14:52:24 <dreamer> but on boot the user doesn't do anything does it?
Oct 16 14:52:29 <ruskie> does
Oct 16 14:52:36 <dreamer> did you set it with usermod -s /bin/zsh ?
Oct 16 14:52:37 <dreamer> ok
Oct 16 14:52:45 <ruskie> a ton of stuff get's run as user
Oct 16 14:52:50 <dreamer> ah, hmm
Oct 16 14:52:53 <dreamer> ah well
Oct 16 14:52:55 * dreamer afk
Oct 16 14:52:59 <ruskie> I just edit passwd file like on any other system ;)
Oct 16 14:56:19 <xDaReaperx> yay i got all the 3 level packs for angry birds :D
Oct 16 15:23:15 <lardman> hmm, libpythonqt seems to have built, first step towards mBarcode python plugins done
Oct 16 15:24:20 <DocScrutinizer> ~messybox
Oct 16 15:24:20 <infobot> messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils
Oct 16 15:27:17 <DocScrutinizer> and even worse, maemo initscripts rely on busyboxisms (a severe bug that WONTFIX aiui), so replacing messybox by coreutils and a decent shell for use at boottime has been reported several times to break things (allegedly only for user user, not for user root - prolly the messyboxisms are in user startscripts)
Oct 16 15:27:57 <lardman> If I want to call make distclean in my debian/rules clean: section, how do I stop it failing if the package has already been cleaned?
Oct 16 15:28:54 <lardman> other than specify that it generates the Makefile before cleaning. I suppose an existence check is in order, but is that the normal method?
Oct 16 15:35:26 <intelinsider> hm
Oct 16 15:36:11 <lardman> ah, simply add a minus sign in front of the $(MAKE)
Oct 16 15:36:21 <lardman> the things one learns by reading webpages hey
Oct 16 15:38:44 * GAN900 stabs microb.
Oct 16 15:39:13 <alterego> Erm, why isn't the backup program seeing my backups?
Oct 16 15:40:22 <alterego> ffs, I've just done a complete reflash and now I can't bring back my contacts :(
Oct 16 15:40:49 <GAN900> did you reflash the eMMC?
Oct 16 15:41:06 <alterego> Ah, it needs to be under the "backups" directory.
Oct 16 15:43:33 <vdv> which filemanager are you use on n900?
Oct 16 15:48:02 <alterego> "File Manager"
Oct 16 15:48:14 <alterego> Anyway, looks like that worked, I'd hate to have to re-add everyone again ^.^
Oct 16 15:49:02 <alterego> And to answer the question, no, the N900 doesn't merge conversations, when restoring a backup.
Oct 16 15:52:47 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: yeah, isn't it great you have not even a way to tell apart files of same name which are on different storage devices (i.e backup1 on eMMC and backup1 on uSD will be impossible to distinguish)
Oct 16 15:53:21 <DocScrutinizer> hooray for "simplicity" (of mind?)
Oct 16 15:54:08 <DocScrutinizer> (and if "of mind" then whose mind, the users' or the designers')
Oct 16 15:55:47 <noodles900ch> why can I get the n900 camera to show in the laptop over ssh, but not X apps -- Grrrr
Oct 16 15:56:01 <DocScrutinizer> errr wut?
Oct 16 15:56:40 <noodles900ch> DocScrutinizer: xauth installed in the n900, but now restarting ssh throws errors :(
Oct 16 15:56:59 <SpeedEvil> DISPLAY
Oct 16 15:57:21 <SpeedEvil> You just xhost phone on your desktop, thenset the appropriate keyb.
Oct 16 15:57:24 <noodles900ch> .0.0
Oct 16 15:57:28 <SpeedEvil> Also I need to vaccum my keyboard
Oct 16 15:57:29 <DocScrutinizer> not really sure if I get what you're doing, but I heard x-forwarding doesn't work (ootb) on N900
Oct 16 15:57:29 <SpeedEvil> err
Oct 16 15:57:34 <SpeedEvil> set the approrpiate DISPLATY
Oct 16 15:57:36 <SpeedEvil> sigh
Oct 16 15:58:00 <noodles900ch> SpeedEvil: "appropriate" ?
Oct 16 15:58:34 <noodles900ch> it's :0.0 atm
Oct 16 15:59:40 <DocScrutinizer> could you get more verbose and share some details (like cmdlines etc) so we could actually follow?
Oct 16 16:00:23 <DocScrutinizer> also HTF did you get camera on laptop? over ssh?
Oct 16 16:00:41 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: ok - there is a chroot in the n900 running links2, I ssh
Oct 16 16:00:46 <DocScrutinizer> I suppose this can be done via gstreamer only
Oct 16 16:01:24 <jpinx-eeepc> I do " ssh -Xt root@n900IP " and then chroot in
Oct 16 16:01:50 <SpeedEvil> noodles900ch: DISPLAY=laptop:0
Oct 16 16:02:13 <jpinx-eeepc> working over ssh in the chroot I do links2 -g google.com and it shows on the n900 screen - not tthe laptop
Oct 16 16:02:47 <jpinx-eeepc> SpeedEvil: how should I identify the laptop? by IP ?
Oct 16 16:02:52 <SpeedEvil> or name
Oct 16 16:03:29 <SpeedEvil> I had to fiddle with my laptop sshd config to get it to allow X forwarding - it had it setup to disallow.
Oct 16 16:03:36 <jpinx-eeepc> SpeedEvil: and that will permanently change DISPLAY I presume?
Oct 16 16:03:42 <SpeedEvil> Though the above method of course doesnt'.
Oct 16 16:03:49 <SpeedEvil> DISPLAY is anenvironment variale.
Oct 16 16:03:55 <SpeedEvil> any subshells inherit
Oct 16 16:04:07 <jpinx-eeepc> SpeedEvil: yea - the default is no X forwarding - but I have that set to yes
Oct 16 16:05:02 <DocScrutinizer> I always had the idea ssh deals with DISPLAY automatically
Oct 16 16:05:04 <jpinx-eeepc> so if I change DISPLAY in the chroot, and then use the kbd on the n900, it'll show in the laptop?
Oct 16 16:05:25 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: it did in my other setup between 2 debian boxes
Oct 16 16:06:04 * jpinx-eeepc goes to fiddle with DISPLAY and hopes not to lose it....
Oct 16 16:06:21 <SpeedEvil> ssh deals with DISPLAY if it is doing forwarding.
Oct 16 16:06:28 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Oct 16 16:06:37 <DocScrutinizer> that's what I meant
Oct 16 16:07:01 <jpinx-eeepc> SpeedEvil: well ssh is doing forwarding from the n900, but restarting ssh threw errors
Oct 16 16:07:19 <jpinx-eeepc> let me pastebin...
Oct 16 16:09:31 <jpinx-eeepc> http://paste.debian.net/96762/
Oct 16 16:09:48 <jpinx-eeepc> thaat was after installing xauth
Oct 16 16:10:03 <intelinsider> should i buy a nokia n900?... i want a new smartphone and i try to like maemo/meego
Oct 16 16:10:21 <jpinx-eeepc> yes - buy a n900 :)
Oct 16 16:10:46 <DocScrutinizer> no, don't buy a N900
Oct 16 16:10:53 <intelinsider> :)
Oct 16 16:11:12 <jpinx-eeepc> yes - *DO* buy a n900 :)
Oct 16 16:12:30 <intelinsider> and the future with meamo on the n900 device?
Oct 16 16:12:32 <DocScrutinizer> honestly, if you don't *know* you *wnat* a linux phone that doesn't work without you working on it, you better get an adridiot or spyPhone
Oct 16 16:12:34 <jpinx-eeepc> SpeedEvil: what did you make of that error?
Oct 16 16:13:31 <SpeedEvil> jpinx-eeepc: I diddn't look at it.
Oct 16 16:13:42 <DocScrutinizer> anybody wonder "iPhone or N900" for sure should bet an iPhone
Oct 16 16:13:58 <DocScrutinizer> s/ bet/ get/
Oct 16 16:13:58 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: anybody wonder "iPhone or N900" for sure should get an iPhone
Oct 16 16:13:58 <SpeedEvil> I got distracted considering manufacturing a 1Kw solar panel for my shed.
Oct 16 16:14:07 <intelinsider> no i dont want a android, bada or win mobile os
Oct 16 16:14:08 <jpinx-eeepc> SpeedEvil: http://paste.debian.net/96762/
Oct 16 16:14:33 <SpeedEvil> The first killer-app for me for the n900 was when my laptop hard-disk went dodgy, and I realised the easiest way to backup was to rsync / onto the phone
Oct 16 16:15:46 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: a friend of mine got a used iPod for that :-D
Oct 16 16:15:58 <SpeedEvil> That looks like a syntax error in the script to me jp
Oct 16 16:16:00 <SpeedEvil> inx
Oct 16 16:16:34 <jpinx-eeepc> SpeedEvil: I'm looking for a 16Gb micro SD and I'll be able to backup the phone *and* the eeepc :)
Oct 16 16:16:35 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: still nickexpand on shift-right? :-P
Oct 16 16:16:44 <intelinsider> but i search a new challenge...
Oct 16 16:17:00 <jpinx-eeepc> intelinsider: you just found it :p
Oct 16 16:17:21 <jpinx-eeepc> SpeedEvil: what script?
Oct 16 16:17:31 <DocScrutinizer> intelinsider: months and years of challenge :-D
Oct 16 16:17:35 <DocScrutinizer> and fun
Oct 16 16:17:51 <jpinx-eeepc> it's a lot of fun - but frustrating at times
Oct 16 16:17:54 <intelinsider> hehe
Oct 16 16:18:04 <intelinsider> i like it ;)
Oct 16 16:20:09 <SpeedEvil> jpinx-eeepc: the script you called
Oct 16 16:20:13 <DocScrutinizer> intelinsider: (frustration) there's not only an adoption market for unloved N900 babies on ebay, but allegedly also a cemetery for those devices thrown out of the window in a destructive frenzy
Oct 16 16:20:56 <DocScrutinizer> intelinsider: you got to know your own frustration tolerance
Oct 16 16:21:33 * DocScrutinizer frowns at -erani-
Oct 16 16:21:49 * DocScrutinizer ponders a +q
Oct 16 16:22:43 <jpinx-eeepc> SpeedEvil: hang on - there's more gremlins..  I can get X from maemo, but not from the chroot
Oct 16 16:23:04 <intelinsider> hmmm
Oct 16 16:23:18 <intelinsider> i think i try the n900
Oct 16 16:23:36 <jpinx-eeepc> yay \o/
Oct 16 16:24:40 <DocScrutinizer> intelinsider: if problems arise, please don't start bitching and flaming, but come here and ask for help. Almost everything can be solved if you're willing to jump some hoops
Oct 16 16:25:09 <jpinx-eeepc> Fiery hoops at times...  ;)
Oct 16 16:25:18 <intelinsider> no no no :)
Oct 16 16:25:36 <DocScrutinizer> intelinsider: if you feel that's not what you want to do, please silently sell the device. We are not interested in learning if or why you did
Oct 16 16:25:44 <intelinsider> why i should flame? :) no i use the energy to find solutions
Oct 16 16:26:02 <jpinx-eeepc> that's whaat *she* said
Oct 16 16:26:06 <DocScrutinizer> good mindset :-D
Oct 16 16:26:10 <intelinsider> :P
Oct 16 16:27:21 * lardman wanders over to Windows for a bit of Medal of Honor [sic], bbl
Oct 16 16:30:03 <DocScrutinizer> intelinsider: I change my prev advice: yes, you should buy a N900 :-)
Oct 16 16:34:01 <jpinx-eeepc> SpeedEvil: ok - in maemo DISPLAY is "localhost:10.0" and when I fire up an app over ssh, it shows up in the laptop
Oct 16 16:34:31 <jpinx-eeepc> I set DISPLAY to the same in the chroot and it still comes up in the n900
Oct 16 16:35:38 <jpinx-eeepc> so  I did " DISPLAY=193.168.2.14:10.0 " in the chroot , but it *still* comes up in the n900
Oct 16 16:36:40 <marmoute> who is 193.168.2.14
Oct 16 16:37:28 <jpinx-eeepc> it's the IP of the laptop on the usb network
Oct 16 16:37:56 <jpinx-eeepc> I have tried it with the hostname of the laptop as well - still no good
Oct 16 16:38:20 <marmoute> using the IP of the laptop won't work
Oct 16 16:38:41 <jpinx-eeepc> so I  discovered ;)
Oct 16 16:38:44 <marmoute> the X is ss *forwarded*
Oct 16 16:39:17 <jpinx-eeepc> yea - forwarded *to* the laptop
Oct 16 16:40:06 <pupnik> http://www.google.com/trends?q=maemo&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all
Oct 16 16:40:28 <pupnik> are those news article picks machine or human-generated?
Oct 16 16:41:58 <jpinx-eeepc> marmoute: so what do I set DISPLAY to if it is not the IP or hostname?
Oct 16 16:45:21 <marmoute> jpinx-eeepc: forwarded *to* the laptopn *through* the N900
Oct 16 16:46:16 <jpinx-eeepc> marmoute: ok - so what is the setting for the chroot DISPLAY ?
Oct 16 16:46:32 <marmoute> jpinx-eeepc: the N900 one, but you have to make sure the socket is acessible from the CHroot. anyway an acessible socket would lead to no display at all. It's most likely that your DIPLAY var is not defined propertly
Oct 16 16:46:39 <jpinx-eeepc> the n900 is set to localhost:10.0
Oct 16 16:47:49 <intelinsider> should i destroy the system from the n900, can i restore/repair it?
Oct 16 16:48:19 <ShadowJK> Using a PC, yeah
Oct 16 16:48:24 <intelinsider> i mean in the worst case ;)
Oct 16 16:48:50 <ShadowJK> You could write to /dev/mtd directly and erase your bootloader
Oct 16 16:48:57 <ShadowJK> then you couldn't recover yourself anymore
Oct 16 16:49:11 <ShadowJK> actually i dont remember if bootloader is included in the default partitions
Oct 16 16:49:33 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski claims it *can* be recovered on N900
Oct 16 16:50:10 <DocScrutinizer> using coldflash via USB, which on N900 is supported by ROM BL
Oct 16 16:50:42 <intelinsider> okay a flash tool to reset, thanks
Oct 16 16:50:45 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless you probably should refrain from nuking your mtd's
Oct 16 16:51:50 <DocScrutinizer> intelinsider: for all usual cases of "I nuked my rootfs and now it bootloops" there's ~flashing
Oct 16 16:51:54 <DocScrutinizer> ~flashing
Oct 16 16:51:55 <infobot> methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Oct 16 16:51:58 <jpinx-eeepc> marmoute: well - I am truly stuck - I have tried setting DISPLAY in the chroot to the hostname of the n900 or to the hostname of the laptop,
Oct 16 16:52:15 <jacekowski> well, there are 3 stages of bootloader
Oct 16 16:52:16 <intelinsider> ;)
Oct 16 16:52:22 <jacekowski> rom BL
Oct 16 16:52:32 <jacekowski> 1st stage bootloader - x-loader
Oct 16 16:52:38 <jacekowski> 2nd stage bootloader
Oct 16 16:52:44 <DocScrutinizer> rom(0), xloader(1), NOLO(2[+3?])
Oct 16 16:53:03 <jacekowski> xloader in n900 is nokia version of xloader
Oct 16 16:53:10 <jacekowski> called nolo-x-loader iirc
Oct 16 16:53:18 <jacekowski> and 2nd stage is called noloscnd
Oct 16 16:53:46 <jacekowski> as far as i know there is no easy way to wipe rom bl
Oct 16 16:54:00 <jacekowski> if there is way of doing that at all
Oct 16 16:54:01 <DocScrutinizer> that's why it's called ROM ;-D
Oct 16 16:54:03 <jacekowski> as it may be really rom
Oct 16 16:54:04 <RST38h> ok, moo.
Oct 16 16:54:16 <RST38h> what's cooking tonight?
Oct 16 16:54:21 <jacekowski> which i doubt that it's rom,
Oct 16 16:54:42 <jacekowski> because it needs some storage space for keys and stuff so i suppose it's all in one flash
Oct 16 16:54:52 <jacekowski> on-die flash
Oct 16 16:54:58 <DocScrutinizer> nah, probably no mask rom, but some eprom, or even flash with a fuse
Oct 16 16:55:47 <DocScrutinizer> flash with per-page-fuses sounds sensible
Oct 16 16:58:04 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: stage0 is checking stage1 (xloader) for proper signature, correct? Do you know if stage1 xloader does same for stage2?
Oct 16 16:59:09 <jacekowski> as far as i know it doesn't
Oct 16 17:00:05 <DocScrutinizer> so basically we could RE NOLO, and write our own?
Oct 16 17:00:21 <jacekowski> we could
Oct 16 17:00:28 <DocScrutinizer> resp patch the existing one
Oct 16 17:00:29 <jacekowski> but what for?
Oct 16 17:00:38 <DocScrutinizer> e.g for multiboot
Oct 16 17:00:48 <jacekowski> i mean, we can load u-boot from existing nolo
Oct 16 17:00:53 <DocScrutinizer> proper real multiboot
Oct 16 17:00:57 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Oct 16 17:01:01 <DocScrutinizer> Iknow
Oct 16 17:01:25 <DocScrutinizer> chainloading is what meego guys are implementing right now
Oct 16 17:05:16 <jacekowski> only strange thing is that 1st stage is in thumb
Oct 16 17:05:19 <jacekowski> 2nd stage is arm
Oct 16 17:05:23 <johnsq> Hi
Oct 16 17:07:17 <DocScrutinizer> anyway I had *one* simple patch I'd like to see in NOLO: if emergency recovery charging finally boots up to xloader and NOLO (on 3.2V) it seems NOLO charges a bit more until ~3.5V before it actually tries to boot the kernel. I'd like to change that level to 4.0V, so NOLO would charge battery to a level safe for flashing. Could be conditional ("hold 'C' while plugging in the charger")
Oct 16 17:09:16 <DocScrutinizer> to fix those bootloop-on-flatbat-deadlocks for good
Oct 16 17:09:37 <DocScrutinizer> ... which occur when you hosed bme/system
Oct 16 17:10:34 <trumee> guys, is it possible to access the emmc and sdcard when N900 is connected in PCsuite mode in linux?
Oct 16 17:10:49 <ShadowJK> you want mass storage mode
Oct 16 17:11:12 <ShadowJK> wait, do you want to access it from pc or from n900?
Oct 16 17:11:40 <trumee> from the pc
Oct 16 17:11:51 <ShadowJK> you want mass storage mode, not pc suite mode
Oct 16 17:12:12 <trumee> in windows the emmc can still be accessed while in PC suite mode.
Oct 16 17:12:49 <trumee> i am presently connected to the internet via N900 modem using pcsuite mode. to get into mass storage mode i will have to disconnect the internet.
Oct 16 17:13:13 <DocScrutinizer> lsusb ftw
Oct 16 17:18:30 <trumee> crap. my network died.
Oct 16 17:18:42 <DocScrutinizer> aiui the notorious "Nokia PCSuite" is meant to also access data on N900, no?
Oct 16 17:18:45 <trumee> ShadowJK: so there is no way to access emmc in pcsuite mode?
Oct 16 17:18:53 <Proteous> then how are you talking to us!!!
Oct 16 17:19:18 <trumee> Proteous: it is alive again. sorry.
Oct 16 17:19:25 <Proteous> heh
Oct 16 17:20:41 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: on windows there is something like access internal drive or something while in PC Suite mode
Oct 16 17:22:58 <DocScrutinizer> directly after plugging in N900 to PC - prior to selecting any mode from popup menu - there are 2 mass stroage devices showing up on lsusb -v -d 0421:01c7
Oct 16 17:23:19 <jpinx-eeepc> trumee: using sshfs maybe? -- I haven't tried
Oct 16 17:23:43 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: micro SD ?
Oct 16 17:24:33 <DocScrutinizer> selecting pcsuite mode chages vendor:id to 0421:01c8
Oct 16 17:27:13 <DocScrutinizer> so after selecting pcsuite, lsusb shows a friggin lot of 'nodes': http://paste.debian.net/96775/
Oct 16 17:27:56 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: yea - it shows all the ghastly mounts in maemo
Oct 16 17:28:30 <DocScrutinizer> there's CDC OBEX for example
Oct 16 17:28:39 <jpinx-eeepc> but once you have selected PCSuite mode, you can't change back without disconnecting :(
Oct 16 17:29:38 <DocScrutinizer> CDC OBEX Data, to be precise. There's CDC OBEX SyncML also
Oct 16 17:30:11 <DocScrutinizer> of course ACM
Oct 16 17:30:44 <DocScrutinizer> iInterface             10 CDC Ethernet Control Model (ECM)
Oct 16 17:30:55 <DocScrutinizer> bInterfaceSubClass      6 Ethernet Networking
Oct 16 17:35:19 <trumee> jpinx-eeepc: how can i use sshfs. i am using N900s modem and there is no wifi here.
Oct 16 17:35:26 <DocScrutinizer> so no, you'll not get an external storage access in pcsuite mode. but you might access via network filesystem over CDC ECM
Oct 16 17:35:36 <trumee> jpinx-eeepc: N900 doesnt have any ipaddress of its own.
Oct 16 17:35:52 <DocScrutinizer> ...or scp, or whatever
Oct 16 17:35:54 <jpinx-eeepc> trumee: usb cable
Oct 16 17:36:26 <trumee> jpinx-eeepc: so i use usb networking + N900 modem. both can work at the same time?
Oct 16 17:36:41 <DocScrutinizer> looks like
Oct 16 17:36:48 <jpinx-eeepc> dunno about modem
Oct 16 17:36:54 <jpinx-eeepc> but probably
Oct 16 17:37:23 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: see last 30 lines here
Oct 16 17:37:52 <jpinx-eeepc> trumee: I use the usb cable for ssh, sshfs, and the n900 connecting through the laptop wifi
Oct 16 17:38:04 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: no idea how to do network filesystem over CDC ECM
Oct 16 17:38:19 <DocScrutinizer> me neither
Oct 16 17:38:30 <ShadowJK> you can maybe talk MTP or obex over one of the "serial ports"..
Oct 16 17:38:46 <trumee> jpinx-eeepc: i need laptop connecting through N900 3g modem. plus ssh/sshfs.
Oct 16 17:38:46 <DocScrutinizer> I guess you get a virtual NIC on PC which you need to configure
Oct 16 17:39:07 <jpinx-eeepc> trumee: should work ok
Oct 16 17:39:15 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: there are dedicated OBEX ports
Oct 16 17:39:41 <jpinx-eeepc> trumee: follow the wiki page guide
Oct 16 17:39:49 <trumee> jpinx-eeepc: ok. i will try this.
Oct 16 17:40:53 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: opensuse 11.3 networkmanager is crap. it doesnt see my n900 ethernet interface. i have to go into yast change to manual ifup approach and back to NetworkManager.
Oct 16 17:41:32 <DocScrutinizer> yes, looks like
Oct 16 17:43:20 <trumee> it worked!
Oct 16 17:43:46 <trumee> i can now ssh into N900 via usb + use N900 internal modem
Oct 16 17:43:59 <jpinx-eeepc> trumee: toldya!
Oct 16 17:44:44 <jpinx-eeepc> and you can run the n900 apps on your laptop screen too
Oct 16 17:44:47 <trumee> jpinx-eeepc, DocScrutinizer: thanks for pointers
Oct 16 17:45:09 <trumee> jpinx-eeepc: via ssh -X ?
Oct 16 17:45:15 <jpinx-eeepc> trumee: yep
Oct 16 17:45:41 <trumee> jpinx-eeepc: i am happy with cli. just wanted to grab some photos i had taken.
Oct 16 17:45:58 <jpinx-eeepc> ok :)
Oct 16 17:54:38 <trumee> jpinx-eeepc: i will like to upload photos to picasa from N900. is there any i can invoke that N900 app from the laptop?
Oct 16 17:54:47 <trumee> jpinx-eeepc: no idea what the app is.
Oct 16 17:55:18 <jpinx-eeepc> trumee: iirc there is an app for that in the maemo repos
Oct 16 18:01:14 <trumee> jpinx-eeepc: ok, i am directly sharing the images which is weird. N900 (images) <> PC over usb networking<> N900 3g modem.
Oct 16 18:01:41 <trumee> but hey it is working great.
Oct 16 18:02:00 <jpinx-eeepc> trumee: al things are possible with the n900 :p
Oct 16 18:04:49 <ilius> liquidwar 6 is excellent! much better than 5
Oct 16 18:05:09 <ilius> i like to play it in N900
Oct 16 18:07:14 <johnsq> ilius: and what stops you?
Oct 16 18:08:05 <ilius> johnsq: the package in maemo repo is version 5
Oct 16 18:08:28 <ilius> johnsq: i have to buid myself
Oct 16 18:13:30 <intelinsider> jpinx-eeepc: now i buyed a n900 with car charger :>
Oct 16 18:16:12 <lcuk> intelinsider, :D
Oct 16 18:17:43 <kerio> you buyed?
Oct 16 18:17:48 <kerio> BUYED?
Oct 16 18:18:09 <intelinsider> ae buy :O
Oct 16 18:19:33 <Stskeeps> lo texrat
Oct 16 18:19:53 <Texrat> hey Stskeeps
Oct 16 18:20:03 <RevdKathy> Hi Tex
Oct 16 18:20:09 <Texrat> RevDKathy you here yet
Oct 16 18:20:14 <Stskeeps> Texrat: so your talk got accepted?
Oct 16 18:20:28 <Texrat> Stskeeps amazingly enough yes... your doing?
Oct 16 18:20:54 <Texrat> damn it, now I have to work :P
Oct 16 18:21:10 <RevdKathy> I'm here
Oct 16 18:21:28 <Texrat> ok Revdkathy I just need to remember how to create a new channel...
Oct 16 18:21:29 <Stskeeps> Texrat: nah :) only one out of four but it got the job done
Oct 16 18:21:41 <Texrat> I'm still blaming you Stskeeps
Oct 16 18:21:56 <intelinsider> and now?
Oct 16 18:22:01 <Texrat> brb... coffee done
Oct 16 18:22:05 <RevdKathy> k
Oct 16 18:22:07 <intelinsider> waiting for mail
Oct 16 18:22:13 <DocScrutinizer> Texrat: /join anychannel
Oct 16 18:22:17 <RevdKathy> Meanwhile... is lcuk here?
Oct 16 18:22:55 <DocScrutinizer> Texrat: /msg chanserv help register
Oct 16 18:23:15 <DocScrutinizer> Texrat: ...only if it's a channel to stay
Oct 16 18:23:27 <DocScrutinizer> lo RevdKathy
Oct 16 18:23:28 <Texrat> ah ok thanks DocScrutinizer
Oct 16 18:23:42 <Texrat> hot coffee!
Oct 16 18:23:48 <DocScrutinizer> Texrat: np
Oct 16 18:24:02 <lcuk> RevdKathy, I am in #meego
Oct 16 18:24:08 <RevdKathy> Lo DocScrutinzer
Oct 16 18:24:27 <RevdKathy> ahhh ok, will chase you there, then lcuk
Oct 16 18:24:30 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: Lies! you're here, evidently
Oct 16 18:31:24 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: i gather you've returned home from your HEL(l) adventure - I am supposed to remind you to implement some dimming via ALS for liqcalc solar cell
Oct 16 18:32:29 <lcuk> :D of course, yes thank you for the reminder
Oct 16 18:33:08 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: though I thought the solar cell gets replaced by a input textbox for infinte precision calctool
Oct 16 18:33:26 <lcuk> heh no
Oct 16 18:33:44 <lcuk> I just wanted to try turning the lights off  inthe room and watching the little mini calc screen dim
Oct 16 18:33:48 <lcuk> (but keep the buttons lit up)
Oct 16 18:34:10 <lcuk> it wouldnt be as effective as covering the cell itself
Oct 16 18:34:18 <lcuk> but it would be fun :D
Oct 16 18:35:09 <DocScrutinizer> you ported calctool to maemo meanwhile?
Oct 16 18:35:43 <lcuk> no, I have had 10000000 more important things on my mind
Oct 16 18:35:54 <DocScrutinizer> sure, just asking
Oct 16 18:36:01 <lcuk> and have done little coding myself of late
Oct 16 18:36:22 <DocScrutinizer> maybe MohammadAG51 could be talked into it :-)
Oct 16 18:36:48 <DocScrutinizer> it's a simple cmdline tool after all
Oct 16 18:37:40 <erani> DocScrutinizer: huh? O.o
Oct 16 18:38:04 <DocScrutinizer> eh, hi erani
Oct 16 18:38:19 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-10-16 18:18:11] [Notice] -erani- I'm sorry, but I'm away (off)
Oct 16 18:38:33 <erani> sorry, i guess my away hilight had reloaded itself :) did unload it (again) now...
Oct 16 18:38:47 <erani> away hilight notice* script i mean
Oct 16 18:38:56 <DocScrutinizer> fine :-)
Oct 16 18:40:35 <RST38h> lcuk: is meegotouch available for maemo5 at all?
Oct 16 18:43:09 <lcuk> RST38h, http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=meegotouch&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same
Oct 16 18:44:41 <lardman> re
Oct 16 18:44:52 <lcuk> hey lardman \o
Oct 16 18:45:14 <lardman> hi lcuk
Oct 16 18:45:44 <RST38h> hm
Oct 16 18:47:34 * lardman thinks to himself that MoH is not as good as he was expecting
Oct 16 19:03:24 <Texrat> busy today!
Oct 16 19:03:37 <Texrat> the whole gang is here
Oct 16 19:04:02 <Texrat> and lcuk the newly-bearded one too :P
Oct 16 19:04:20 <lcuk> :D oh hai Texrat
Oct 16 19:05:15 <Texrat> Revdkathy working out my MeeGo conf flight :D
Oct 16 19:05:22 <Texrat> so brace yourselves!!!!
Oct 16 19:05:25 <lcuk> lardman, sometimes sequals don't capture the essense of the original and need refinement and tweaking to get it right
Oct 16 19:06:06 <MohammadAG> hey Texrat
Oct 16 19:06:27 <Texrat> hey MohammedAG
Oct 16 19:06:59 <MohammadAG> you can probably use tab to complete nicknames :)
Oct 16 19:07:17 <MohammadAG> wb lcuk, haven't seen you for a while
Oct 16 19:07:59 <Texrat> MohammedAG what is CTCP VERSION ?
Oct 16 19:07:59 <MohammadAG> my N900's condition went downhill today :(
Oct 16 19:08:05 <MohammadAG> Texrat, checked your client :)
Oct 16 19:08:08 <MohammadAG> qwebirc
Oct 16 19:08:37 <MohammadAG> /ctcp nickname VERSION and the client will reply with the name and version
Oct 16 19:08:42 <Texrat> ah
Oct 16 19:08:45 <MohammadAG> -MohammadAG- VERSION xchat 2.8.8 Ubuntu
Oct 16 19:08:46 <Texrat> browser ;)
Oct 16 19:08:50 <MohammadAG> -Texrat- VERSION qwebirc v0.90, copyright (C) 2008-2010 Chris Porter and the qwebirc project -- Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E)
Oct 16 19:09:00 <Texrat> holy shit
Oct 16 19:09:23 <Texrat> PC my ass, this is a WORKSTATION!  ROAR!!!!
Oct 16 19:09:28 <MohammadAG> lol
Oct 16 19:09:55 <Texrat> 4 cores, 4 g ram, 1TB drive dammit
Oct 16 19:10:30 <MohammadAG> 4 cores, 4GB RAM, 500GBs, and it's a laptop :P
Oct 16 19:10:38 <Texrat> ok that's it
Oct 16 19:10:45 <Texrat> now I'm humiliated
Oct 16 19:11:00 <MohammadAG> xD
Oct 16 19:11:06 <Texrat> does your laptop have 7.1 audio?  :P
Oct 16 19:11:23 * MohammadAG looks at 2.0
Oct 16 19:11:25 <Texrat> and a huge thumping subwoofer?  nooooooooo
Oct 16 19:11:30 <MohammadAG> it has HDMI!!!!!!1111!!!
Oct 16 19:11:31 <Texrat> redeemed
Oct 16 19:13:00 <MohammadAG> Texrat, and a 3.5mm jack, HA!
Oct 16 19:13:10 <MohammadAG> 2 actually :P
Oct 16 19:13:57 <GAN900> I don't know how many times I've watched delivery drivers lie about attempting a delivery.
Oct 16 19:14:05 <pupnik> really\
Oct 16 19:14:08 <pupnik> bad culture
Oct 16 19:14:12 <Texrat> I accidentally closed channel-- did someone ask me something?
Oct 16 19:14:18 <Texrat> pupnik!!!
Oct 16 19:14:40 <MohammadAG> GAN900, less than I have :P
Oct 16 19:15:11 <soltys>                                                                               │ progtryk
Oct 16 19:15:16 <pupnik> Evening texrat - nothing was said between your leaving and joining
Oct 16 19:15:31 <soltys> sry ppm ;/
Oct 16 19:15:34 <Texrat> I saw an alert though
Oct 16 19:15:52 <pupnik> The bull next door is going kerbonkles all evening mooing as loud as it can
Oct 16 19:18:28 <GAN900> One of these times I'm going to run yelling into the street.
Oct 16 19:18:28 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> Texrat, and a 3.5mm jack, HA!
Oct 16 19:18:28 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> 2 actually :P
Oct 16 19:19:50 <pupnik> i found a way to wear a tablet that nobody else did
Oct 16 19:19:54 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: I usually sit on the street not letting cars pass by until they are identified and ripped off they carriage where due :-)
Oct 16 19:20:39 <pupnik> spin a thinkpad tablet around so the screen is facing backwards.  loop a strap around the screen and wear it around, with a nice 12" screen jutting out of your chest
Oct 16 19:21:04 <pupnik> it's the worst of geek fashion
Oct 16 19:21:48 * DocScrutinizer shudders
Oct 16 19:24:56 <GAN900> So USPS only attempts delivery once, which means I have to pick it up at the central sorting center.
Oct 16 19:26:11 <GAN900> Which, of course, isn't open any time I can reasonably get to it.
Oct 16 19:26:12 <pupnik> what you waiting for GAN900
Oct 16 19:26:40 <pupnik> hahah WYSE amber terminals with the mini-displays in this 1991 'Cheers'
Oct 16 19:26:55 <GAN900> 7D
Oct 16 19:27:14 <DocScrutinizer> err
Oct 16 19:28:52 <pupnik> what's 7D GAN900
Oct 16 19:29:01 <RST38h> canon 7d?
Oct 16 19:30:15 <Texrat> yay thanks to RevDkathy I have flight to MeeGo conference!!!!
Oct 16 19:30:27 <Texrat> so you have all been warned
Oct 16 19:31:02 <pupnik> congrats Texrat
Oct 16 19:31:47 <GAN900> RST38h, yeah.
Oct 16 19:31:56 <GAN900> Texrat, why Kathy?
Oct 16 19:32:00 <Jaffa> Texrat: No credit or debit card?
Oct 16 19:32:04 <GAN900> Ah
Oct 16 19:32:14 <SpeedEvil> Congrats rat!
Oct 16 19:33:05 <Texrat> man I owe the reverend Kathy
Oct 16 19:33:31 <Texrat> jaffa I have zero credit cards and we are beyond broke thanks to loss of my Nokia job
Oct 16 19:33:45 <Texrat> we are actually backpedalling due to bills :(
Oct 16 19:33:57 <Texrat> GAN900 Kathy volunteered to help
Oct 16 19:34:07 <pupnik> hey i just thought of a new idea for video compression
Oct 16 19:34:29 <pupnik> why not use facial recognition to ensure that faces get priority in the bitbucket
Oct 16 19:36:17 * GAN900 needs to book his flight.
Oct 16 19:37:21 <Texrat> sounds reasonable pupnik
Oct 16 19:37:23 * RevdKathy opens bottle of eden ale
Oct 16 19:38:10 <pupnik> waiting for someone to say 'that's been done already' Texrat :)
Oct 16 19:44:31 <SpeedEvil> pupnik: Solid modeling is in principle a much more general area.
Oct 16 19:44:58 <SpeedEvil> Perceptual coding can be exploited as in audio.
Oct 16 19:45:27 <SpeedEvil> Though you have to know about your audience. If all black people look the same to your viewer, they are really simple to code.
Oct 16 19:51:16 <RST38h> pupnik: I can give you an even better optimization idea :)
Oct 16 19:53:19 <RST38h> pupnik: drop image quality at the edges of a frame: most viewers concentrate at the frame center, so you can smear the edges a bit =)
Oct 16 19:55:55 <SpeedEvil> But seriously - solid modeling is gonna be where the next gains come.
Oct 16 19:56:39 <SpeedEvil> And human modeling. Virtual skeleton + muscles + texturemapped skin.
Oct 16 19:57:12 <SpeedEvil> You can code a human object fairly accurately - statically - with relatively few muscles.
Oct 16 19:59:28 <RST38h> why do you need to film real humans then?
Oct 16 20:00:11 <RST38h> do it Final Fantasy style, in 3d, and most youngsters won't give a shit that it is "not real"
Oct 16 20:00:48 <SpeedEvil> Because I suspect human actors will be cheaper than coding all the muscle movements well.
Oct 16 20:01:10 <RST38h> only for a short while, until the next great cpu hits the market
Oct 16 20:01:27 <SpeedEvil> Of course, once you decouple the appearance of the humans from the output, the actor pool widens considerably.
Oct 16 20:05:40 <intelinsider> jpinx-eeepc: and now? waiting :P
Oct 16 20:29:00 <pupnik> RST38h: mencoder has had the lower-rate at edges for a few years at least
Oct 16 20:37:28 <user___> I have problem using vim
Oct 16 20:38:01 <intelinsider> ?
Oct 16 20:38:06 <kerio> use notepad
Oct 16 20:38:08 <user___> vim on ubuntu via ssh
Oct 16 20:38:42 <user___> kerio: what's that?
Oct 16 20:39:37 <user___> what they did in 10.10, ugly bar appears in ssh
Oct 16 20:40:52 <erani> http://mobilernr.com/had-apple-announced-the-nokia-n8/
Oct 16 20:41:53 <user___> I type :q it switchs to insert mode? anyone having issue or Im halucinating
Oct 16 20:44:54 <ColdFyre> eh
Oct 16 20:45:01 <ColdFyre> i don't think i'll be getting the n8
Oct 16 20:49:02 <kerio> the n8 is a ridiculously great piece of hardware
Oct 16 20:49:07 <kerio> sadly, the software is crap
Oct 16 20:49:35 <kerio> now, why didn't they use meego on it is beyond me
Oct 16 20:49:59 <kerio> but i guess they don't want to draw too much attention on THEIR NEW FLAGSHIP OS, right
Oct 16 20:51:03 <ColdFyre> i _need_ a hardware keyboard
Oct 16 20:51:24 <user___> kerio: help
Oct 16 20:54:01 <pupnik> me too ColdFyre
Oct 16 20:54:13 <pupnik> preferably a japanese built thinkpad
Oct 16 20:54:46 <ColdFyre> thinkpad's are too hard to use on the freeway at 80mph
Oct 16 20:55:02 <kerio> ColdFyre: you better be joking
Oct 16 20:55:34 <ColdFyre> hence me using my n900 in lieu of a thinkpad
Oct 16 20:56:02 <ColdFyre> however, i do have a touch screen i dash computer i made that i tether to my n900 so i can irc and drive
Oct 16 20:56:08 <ColdFyre> in dash*
Oct 16 20:56:13 <RevdKathy> Goodnight all
Oct 16 21:11:01 <pupnik> do you have a keg of beer in the trunk with a feeder line to the sunvisor?
Oct 16 21:14:01 <ColdFyre> no
Oct 16 21:14:03 <ColdFyre> but .. http://cfdigital.com/cpc2.jpg
Oct 16 21:14:28 <ColdFyre> http://cfdigital.com/cpc3.jpg
Oct 16 21:14:35 <ColdFyre> it's not too dangerous
Oct 16 21:14:50 <steinex> ColdFyre: cool.
Oct 16 21:15:26 <steinex> but.. fedora? :p
Oct 16 21:15:38 <ColdFyre> yes :)
Oct 16 21:16:01 <joga> one person at work had some sort of custom steering wheel thingy where he could mount a phone and type while holding the wheel, I didn't see it though
Oct 16 21:16:20 <ColdFyre> it was gentoo, but it was way too much of a PITA to compile everything on an atom cpu
Oct 16 21:16:48 <steinex> i imagine
Oct 16 21:17:10 <steinex> back in the days(TM) i touched nothing but FreeBSD, now i'm on Ubuntu :p
Oct 16 21:17:24 <steinex> but well, for servers, the above statement still applies
Oct 16 21:17:36 <ColdFyre> i used to use ubuntu, but i grew to dislike it
Oct 16 21:18:57 <ColdFyre> i should better document my car pc
Oct 16 21:36:45 <Wizzup> Hi. My /home/ seems to be Read only. Which means /opt is also read only... I can't think of any other reason for this to happen than an unsafe USB disconnect
Oct 16 21:36:54 <Wizzup> However, I rebooted a few times and that doesn't help
Oct 16 21:37:16 <Wizzup> In mount it doesn't show as ro
Oct 16 21:40:57 <Wizzup> So it's not the MyDocs that's ro, just /home/
Oct 16 21:41:02 <Wizzup>  / isn't ro either
Oct 16 21:41:08 <Wizzup> So I'm completely lost reallly
Oct 16 21:41:18 <Wizzup> I can create  a file in /, but not in /home/
Oct 16 21:43:19 <kerio> Wizzup: MyDocs is another partition
Oct 16 21:43:21 <kerio> it makes sense
Oct 16 21:43:28 <kerio> reflashan time!
Oct 16 21:43:49 <Wizzup> I understand it makes sense I can write to MyDocs, but / and /home are the same mount
Oct 16 21:44:20 <Wizzup> o wait. That's not true
Oct 16 21:45:51 <lardman> night chaps
Oct 16 22:45:10 <logisist> can anyone make me feel better about having the a7 model rather than the a8?
Oct 16 22:45:30 <logisist> considering I just bought it, and at a premium since I didn't want to wait for it to ship\
Oct 16 22:45:41 <logisist> it's not very logical.
Oct 16 22:45:49 * SpeedEvil forgets a7->a8
Oct 16 22:46:46 <GAN900> a7?
Oct 16 22:46:57 <SpeedEvil> A7 has buzz-fiz applied
Oct 16 22:46:57 <ShadowJK> What the hell is a7?
Oct 16 22:47:04 <logisist> ARMv7
Oct 16 22:47:06 <SpeedEvil> rev a7 of freeruner
Oct 16 22:47:07 <peb_> Logisist --> Audia A7 ??
Oct 16 22:47:13 <SpeedEvil> logist - also - #openmoko
Oct 16 22:47:16 <ShadowJK> wtf
Oct 16 22:47:22 <logisist> NokiaN900
Oct 16 22:47:30 <ShadowJK> Cortex A8 = ArmV7
Oct 16 22:47:37 <logisist> oh
Oct 16 22:47:41 <logisist> :)
Oct 16 22:47:52 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: there's never been a real A8 :-)
Oct 16 22:47:58 <SpeedEvil> logisist: err - sorry - I was assuming you were meaning rfreerunner.
Oct 16 22:47:58 <ShadowJK> N900 is Omap3, which includes a Cortex A8 core, Cortex A8 is ArmV7
Oct 16 22:48:05 <SpeedEvil> yeah - I was about to say that.
Oct 16 22:48:45 <peb_> Logisist: software rules ... so don't care so much about the nitty-gritty differences in these processors ....
Oct 16 22:49:31 <ShadowJK> There's just one CPU model in N900..
Oct 16 22:49:40 * DocScrutinizer points to the A5-A7 part in http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf
Oct 16 22:50:00 <ShadowJK> The guy bought N900 not freerunner :P
Oct 16 22:50:31 <SpeedEvil> Where is rthe revisions of the n900 found?
Oct 16 22:50:38 <SpeedEvil> I mean - exposed to users.
Oct 16 22:50:52 <ShadowJK> lol
Oct 16 22:51:32 <DocScrutinizer> osso-product-info?
Oct 16 22:51:34 <SpeedEvil> anyone have a revision other than 2101 in cat /proc/cpuinfo?
Oct 16 22:51:42 <DocScrutinizer> or proc/cpuinfo
Oct 16 22:52:31 * nox- 2204
Oct 16 22:52:37 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Oct 16 22:53:02 <SpeedEvil> nox-: how recently purchased?
Oct 16 22:53:22 <peb_> speedevil, I've 2014 as the revision ..
Oct 16 22:53:31 <peb_> sorry ... 2104
Oct 16 22:53:34 <nox-> i also didnt notice the usb plug going in `too difficult'
Oct 16 22:53:46 <nox-> SpeedEvil, few monts ago
Oct 16 22:53:52 <SpeedEvil> Interesting.
Oct 16 22:53:52 <nox-> months even
Oct 16 22:54:09 <SpeedEvil> I haven't seen that problem - with rev 2101
Oct 16 22:54:14 <nox-> guess i was lucky :)
Oct 16 22:57:09 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: I had that usb problem with my first one for a few weeks, the second one was ok from beginning. Both 2101
Oct 16 22:58:19 <nox-> oh
Oct 17 00:47:48 <user___> is there a date for a stable release of meego?
Oct 17 00:55:08 <jacekowski> never
Oct 17 00:57:14 <lcuk> RIP Beniot Mandelbrot, you were awesome.
Oct 17 00:57:33 <nox-> :(
Oct 17 00:58:58 <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIlwFpz9s_I
Oct 17 01:00:25 <joga> also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO9ugnn8DbE
Oct 17 01:01:04 <FauxFaux> More like http://vimeo.com/1908224
Oct 17 01:01:21 <FauxFaux> Actually, I'm not even sure that's my favourite.
Oct 17 01:01:48 <lcuk> I remember my first time seeing mandelbrot set.
Oct 17 01:02:03 <lcuk> it took 24 hours to render a single black and white frame on my zx spectrum
Oct 17 01:02:20 <lcuk> i can render it in realtime on my n810
Oct 17 01:02:39 <lcuk> computers are awesome
Oct 17 01:02:39 <nox-> heh /me did that too
Oct 17 01:02:55 <nox-> (fractals on spectrum :)
Oct 17 01:03:37 <lcuk> i wrote a mandel zoom algorithm that fit inside the 256byte cache o nthe 680ec20 on the amiga o_O
Oct 17 01:03:49 <nox-> :)
Oct 17 01:04:13 * lcuk wishes that hard drive still existed :)
Oct 17 01:05:00 <lcuk> ( context, on my n810: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_testfeatures.AVI )
Oct 17 01:26:52 <user___> exit
Oct 17 01:40:07 * DocScrutinizer rendered on a M70 Siemens process controller engine ('realtime' BS-2000 spinoff) and printed to a needle impact printer, tool some 40h iirc, for one page
Oct 17 01:47:55 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.tentacle.franken.de/m80/index.html  16 bit CPU operating at 37,5 MHz
Oct 17 01:48:40 <FauxFaux> CoX OS?  WANT.
Oct 17 02:19:08 <newbie007> hi could someone tell me where firefox (default browser) downloaded a file? according to the browsers file dialog its at /Nokia N900/Documents
Oct 17 02:20:15 <newbie007> i really dont like it when save dialogs or open dialog obscure the real path
Oct 17 02:23:31 <newbie007> got it ~MyDocs/.documents/<here>
Oct 17 02:23:57 <DocScrutinizer> newbie007: ooh, I just had to learn "users do not like to bother about pathnames and directories" (quote Nokia guy)
Oct 17 02:24:09 <newbie007> next question is how can i unzip?
Oct 17 02:25:03 <newbie007> but in this os perhaps we can assume the users have a certain level of skill
Oct 17 02:25:20 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, as even Nokia wasn't able to create a filesystem completely without pathnames, they decided to translate ~user/MyDocs to "N900", and the dir .documents in there to "Documents"
Oct 17 02:25:46 <DocScrutinizer> I'm surprised you're not happy with this X-P
Oct 17 02:26:19 <newbie007> X-P ?
Oct 17 02:26:31 <DocScrutinizer> emoticon
Oct 17 02:26:44 <newbie007> i think i might make a virtual link
Oct 17 02:27:14 <newbie007> *symbolic link*
Oct 17 02:27:26 <DocScrutinizer> err, symlinks don't work there as it's VFAT (another concession to make your life easier :-P )
Oct 17 02:27:35 <newbie007> ha
Oct 17 02:28:08 <newbie007> its fine this is still the best phone ever
Oct 17 02:28:27 <DocScrutinizer> for unzip I suggest you might want to install package mc (midnight commander) and maybe also unzip
Oct 17 02:29:02 <newbie007> mc is a file system browser?
Oct 17 02:29:06 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Oct 17 02:29:11 <DocScrutinizer> like norton commander
Oct 17 02:29:24 <newbie007> i dont think there is a package unzip
Oct 17 02:29:50 <DocScrutinizer> probably not in Hildon Application Manager
Oct 17 02:30:07 <newbie007> i would apt-get it but it seems i limited to only one command prompt (using irssi)
Oct 17 02:30:24 <DocScrutinizer> you'll need to install it from xterm via "apt-get install"
Oct 17 02:30:37 <lcuk> http://maemo.org/packages/view/unzip-fm/
Oct 17 02:31:04 <newbie007> ok thanks i'll brb then
Oct 17 02:31:10 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Oct 17 02:36:41 <DocScrutinizer> moin raster
Oct 17 02:37:12 <n900user> I'm newbie007
Oct 17 02:37:19 <DocScrutinizer> hey :-)
Oct 17 02:37:33 <DocScrutinizer> you can have multiple xterms!
Oct 17 02:37:48 <DocScrutinizer> there's a 'new' button in xterms menu
Oct 17 02:37:56 <n900user> I'm using pidgin now
Oct 17 02:38:08 <n900user> Oh good to know
Oct 17 02:38:16 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Oct 17 02:38:17 <tarpdocks> does anyone know if there is a /dev interface for the n900 microphone?
Oct 17 02:38:32 <tarpdocks> like
Oct 17 02:38:42 <tarpdocks> im trying to play a file over a phonecall but am finding it impossible
Oct 17 02:38:44 <DocScrutinizer> tarpdocks: nope
Oct 17 02:38:48 <n900user> Do i want fremantel or diablo? Using n900 vanilla install
Oct 17 02:38:50 <DocScrutinizer> not really
Oct 17 02:38:54 <raster> DocScrutinizer: doc!
Oct 17 02:39:07 <DocScrutinizer> n900user: fremantle for N900
Oct 17 02:39:28 <n900user> Thanks again
Oct 17 02:39:31 <DocScrutinizer> np
Oct 17 02:39:34 <tarpdocks> theres no way to redirect sound input from the microphone?
Oct 17 02:39:50 <DocScrutinizer> you'll need something like gstreamer
Oct 17 02:40:17 <n900user> Sorry i386 or armel?
Oct 17 02:40:22 <DocScrutinizer> armel
Oct 17 02:41:30 <paulynsamantha> hi all
Oct 17 02:43:13 <paulynsamantha> sorry to bother but does anyone know the output of the stock Nokia N900 wall charger?
Oct 17 02:45:50 <peb_> paulynsamantha DC 5.0V/1200mA
Oct 17 02:47:13 <logisist> any way to back up your conversations?
Oct 17 02:47:22 <logisist> I have an N900 w/ Maemo
Oct 17 02:47:53 <DocScrutinizer> dunno, backup app might do that
Oct 17 02:47:55 <logisist> oh, I see the backup software just takes care of that for me
Oct 17 02:49:20 <n900user> DocScrutinizer sorry do i need to add a repo? I cant seem to find unzip except here http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/unzip/6.0-1maemo1/
Oct 17 02:49:48 <DocScrutinizer> paulynsamantha: the output alone isn't all to know about the Nokia charger. It also has a relatively 'new' signalling about it being a charger: the datalines D+ and D- are shortcircuit
Oct 17 02:49:58 <paulynsamantha> OMG i need to buy the stock one
Oct 17 02:50:14 <paulynsamantha> ive been using a random one
Oct 17 02:50:36 <n900user> It's not standard usb?
Oct 17 02:50:53 <paulynsamantha> thanks so much, Doc do u remeber me from before
Oct 17 02:51:51 <paulynsamantha> n900user: yes but i used kinda rigged up one because i needed more output
Oct 17 02:53:13 <n900user> More output? You mean amps? Voltage?
Oct 17 02:53:22 <paulynsamantha> amps?
Oct 17 02:53:23 <DocScrutinizer> n900user: maybe you like to have a short glance at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Oct 17 02:54:41 <DocScrutinizer> paulynsamantha: sorry, can't recall. Anyway more output won't help anything as N900 takes a max of 1050mA for charging
Oct 17 02:54:50 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: do you never sleep? :)
Oct 17 02:55:02 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: sleep is overrated
Oct 17 02:55:34 <jpinx-eeepc> yea - well...
Oct 17 02:55:34 <paulynsamantha> hey did yous know that the gnuetella fire sharing client Phex works almost perfectly on N900
Oct 17 02:55:39 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: and I heard people die while sleeping
Oct 17 02:56:39 <n900user> I dont really want dev or test repos but i do want unzip. Should i click the link?
Oct 17 02:57:28 <DocScrutinizer> you could click the .deb link in N900 microB browser, this should start HAM and install the pkg iirc
Oct 17 02:58:40 <DocScrutinizer> no real need to enable the extras-devel repo, but I guess sooner or later you'll end with configuring that repo anyway, and just keep it disabled usually
Oct 17 02:59:38 <n900user> Orry i dont understand HAM or iirc
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