**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 17 02:59:58 2010 Oct 17 03:01:52 like the Doom!! Message.. Ok I'll give it a shot Oct 17 03:01:55 Thx! Oct 17 03:04:16 DocScrutinizer: why disabled? Oct 17 03:06:21 HAM=Hildon_App_Manager, Oct 17 03:06:24 ~iirc Oct 17 03:06:25 somebody said iirc was "if I recall correctly" Oct 17 03:07:35 is n900 no longer on NokiaUSA Store online i cant find it lol looking for charger Oct 17 03:07:41 jpinx-eeepc: you might want to keep versions of packages at extras-repo level usually, not at bleeding edge extras-devel repo Oct 17 03:08:31 I've got dependancy issues now :( Oct 17 03:08:32 # apt-get install unzip Oct 17 03:08:33 Reading package lists... Done Oct 17 03:08:33 Building dependency tree Oct 17 03:08:33 Reading state information... Done Oct 17 03:08:33 You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: Oct 17 03:08:33 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Oct 17 03:08:33 python-pygame: Depends: libsdl-ttf2.0 (>= 2.0.9) but it is not going to be installed Oct 17 03:08:34 E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). Oct 17 03:08:40 DocScrutinizer: not sure what I've installed from there.. Oct 17 03:09:14 * jpinx-eeepc shoots n900user Oct 17 03:11:17 Is there a way to reread the file rx-51 without rebooting? Oct 17 03:12:14 what is in that file Oct 17 03:12:31 keymap Oct 17 03:12:32 cat rx-51 would read it Oct 17 03:12:36 keymaps* Oct 17 03:12:49 oh yes, Oct 17 03:12:56 enjoy breaking that and reflashing :) Oct 17 03:13:06 Help: http://pastebin.com/SBwFuAyd Oct 17 03:13:40 hi n900user Oct 17 03:13:47 Gah. Oct 17 03:14:21 Hi pupnik Oct 17 03:14:51 n900user: Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages Oct 17 03:15:35 n900user: hmm, I know libsdl threw errors for quite a while now Oct 17 03:15:48 Pupnik just tried same error Oct 17 03:16:05 Will pastebin... Oct 17 03:16:23 your first pastebin actually should have enough info for anyone with a device Oct 17 03:16:40 usually i fix that by removing the broken package Oct 17 03:17:06 oh i just LOVE the treatment SDL has received since 2007 here DocScrutinizer Oct 17 03:17:26 nfc what it is at all Oct 17 03:17:37 anyone install moc on maemo5 N900? Oct 17 03:17:52 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=812131#post812131 <<< n900user Oct 17 03:18:23 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=777400 << n900user Oct 17 03:18:26 http://pastebin.com/RDGit9m0 Oct 17 03:18:27 thx Oct 17 03:19:40 Should i remove the repo... ? Oct 17 03:20:08 disabling is sufficient, but won't change the problem here Oct 17 03:20:29 Ell it didnt melt Oct 17 03:20:45 *Well it didnt melt Oct 17 03:22:02 friggin libsdl pkg is broken or sth Oct 17 03:22:39 the explanation is in my second link Oct 17 03:22:45 pupnik suggested removing python-pygame Oct 17 03:22:48 aiui Oct 17 03:22:59 no Oct 17 03:23:04 dpkg --force-all -r libsdl-ttf2.0-0 Oct 17 03:23:13 apt-get install -f Oct 17 03:23:31 that's what i suggested Oct 17 03:23:59 sorry if that was unclear Oct 17 03:24:39 < pupnik> usually i fix that by removing the broken package Oct 17 03:24:44 < DocScrutinizer> nfc what it is at all Oct 17 03:24:47 yup... Oct 17 03:24:53 That doesn't look to safe Oct 17 03:25:41 http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html Oct 17 03:25:51 any mobile Maemo users here running Pidgin? Oct 17 03:28:20 the extras-devel libsdl-ttf2 is inconsistent with the official nokia one, n900user ... if you want to use the newer one from -devel, you have to first remove the one from nokia and then do a install -f Oct 17 03:28:20 Logisist i be Oct 17 03:28:42 interesting, I had an issue installing it Oct 17 03:28:46 conflicting packages Oct 17 03:29:10 I hate when I see "Ssl" Oct 17 03:29:12 well i googled libsdl-ttf and maemo and the threads were in the first few hits Oct 17 03:29:16 maybe you could try that next time Oct 17 03:29:18 www.google.com Oct 17 03:30:59 How can i disable a package? Oct 17 03:31:05 I mean repo Oct 17 03:32:28 application manager lets you Oct 17 03:32:35 or edit the sources.list file(s) Oct 17 03:46:25 click menu in HAM, catalogs, click on catalog, checkmarh [x]disabled Oct 17 03:47:03 good morning Oct 17 03:47:56 good moaning TermanaN900 Oct 17 03:49:13 ~libdsl is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=777400 Oct 17 03:49:17 okay, DocScrutinizer Oct 17 03:49:27 man this is the best phone ever Oct 17 03:49:29 :D Oct 17 03:49:30 bah Oct 17 03:50:08 logisist: yep Oct 17 03:50:19 ~libsdl Oct 17 03:50:20 well, libsdl is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=777400 Oct 17 03:50:36 DocScrutinizer, quick pm? Oct 17 03:50:42 hopefully after I update Maemo I'll be able to use Pidgin Oct 17 03:50:43 go ahead Oct 17 03:50:49 hoping for more organization in my buddy list Oct 17 04:01:53 god damn Oct 17 04:02:24 why did my n900 decide to cease charging on any usb stuff except its own wall-plug thing only? Oct 17 04:02:43 * raster kicks his n900 Oct 17 04:07:15 i want an n810 Oct 17 04:07:38 u'd have to likely get one 2nd hand Oct 17 04:07:48 or if someone is sitting on old unsold stock... Oct 17 04:07:59 or just get an n900 Oct 17 04:08:07 which is probably a much better bet Oct 17 04:08:38 i have n900 Oct 17 04:09:34 i want n810 cause of the like thumbpad thing Oct 17 04:09:58 not many people are fans of it Oct 17 04:10:33 ah really? Oct 17 04:10:35 raster: it never did Oct 17 04:10:55 DocScrutinizer: eh? Oct 17 04:11:07 DocScrutinizer: it has done so ever since Oct 17 04:11:13 just plug it into pc with us cable Oct 17 04:11:14 raster: for proper charging it needs either ENUM from host, or a short from D+ to D- Oct 17 04:11:15 it charges Oct 17 04:11:32 it decided to stop doing that all of a sudden Oct 17 04:11:33 on host it should, yes Oct 17 04:11:52 my galaxy-s charges like a charm on the same usb plug Oct 17 04:12:02 hmm Oct 17 04:12:11 n900 used to Oct 17 04:12:13 USB works, for data purposes? Oct 17 04:12:23 device shows up on lsusb? Oct 17 04:12:30 for weeks its been sitting on my desk keeping powered Oct 17 04:12:33 and the screen on 24x7 Oct 17 04:12:52 ya when i plug in my ca-101 for n900 into any usb port it always says insuffiant power not charging Oct 17 04:13:00 or soething like that Oct 17 04:13:17 also strange Oct 17 04:13:43 i know Oct 17 04:13:51 usually 'insufficient power' means it's consuming more power than can be delivered by charging though Oct 17 04:14:17 which is a problem of sw running and subsystems activated Oct 17 04:14:56 ya but its does that when its idle? Oct 17 04:15:02 e.g 3G TX needs a friggin lot of power, so the max 500mA from host might not be sufficient Oct 17 04:15:21 quite obviously it isn't idle Oct 17 04:15:34 how long will it operate from batery? Oct 17 04:16:18 i almost always have like the wifi disabled and 2.5g to save battery life Oct 17 04:16:58 i have to charge it multiple times a day Oct 17 04:17:05 raster: might be a defect cable or usb receptacle (N900 usb receptacle is a known flimsy part) Oct 17 04:17:26 paulynsamantha: see? Oct 17 04:17:48 something is eating lots of power - probably 2.5G data transfer Oct 17 04:18:15 its always internet not connected Oct 17 04:18:52 i think i have a retarded BL-5J Oct 17 04:19:13 I'm absolutely sure you have a misconfigured system Oct 17 04:19:34 i think i might flash it Oct 17 04:19:36 reflash^^ Oct 17 04:19:49 good start to tackle it Oct 17 04:19:58 DocScrutinizer ok. something bizaRRE Oct 17 04:20:00 oops Oct 17 04:20:03 something bizartre Oct 17 04:20:11 usb hub is a powered one Oct 17 04:20:18 so everythnig except the n900 worked and charged Oct 17 04:20:19 check charging and battery life before restoring previously saved apps and configs Oct 17 04:20:34 but somehow the usb hub this hub was plugged into decied to stop communicating Oct 17 04:20:52 hehe Oct 17 04:20:55 (yes hub plugged into hub plugged into pc - all hubs are powered tho) Oct 17 04:21:07 everything BUt the n900 charged and worked with no usb data conn Oct 17 04:21:11 n900 bar4fed Oct 17 04:21:23 usb networking is generally flaky - I use it a lot and unplu/replug is a lottery Oct 17 04:21:29 cheap hubs won't manage the 'powered' property correctly for ENUM Oct 17 04:21:56 raster: sure, N900 is more pedantic about that Oct 17 04:22:18 the other devices basically are buggy when charging in such a situation Oct 17 04:22:30 but they work Oct 17 04:22:33 using a hub just makes things *more* flaky ;) Oct 17 04:22:34 unlike the n900 Oct 17 04:22:34 :) Oct 17 04:23:00 jpinx-eeepc: not practical considering how far it is to get to the usb plugs on the pc Oct 17 04:23:06 2 at the front and 6 at the back Oct 17 04:23:11 raster: yes, they 'work' just like the USB-fan with no cpu or electronics inside Oct 17 04:23:17 raster: use a back one Oct 17 04:23:22 the pc is 1.5m away at the end of the bench Oct 17 04:23:39 raster: get a longer usb cable ;) Oct 17 04:23:39 thats why u got the powered hubs to make sure i have enough juice to keep most things happy Oct 17 04:23:51 raster: check lsusb, it will tell you how much the hub negotiated with N900 for VBUS Oct 17 04:23:54 jpinx-eeepc: no thnaks. got to omany bloody cables Oct 17 04:24:08 heh - yea - such is life ;) Oct 17 04:24:44 it's not N900's fault other devices don't care about that USB spec and *possibly* break the host or hub by drawing "excessive" current Oct 17 04:24:50 i am so keen ont he day my entire desk is just one big wireless charging pad Oct 17 04:25:06 DocScrutinizer: hub with only n900 plugged in Oct 17 04:25:23 raster: just don't put your head in that wireless loop ;) Oct 17 04:25:28 hub has a 2000ma 5w supply Oct 17 04:25:34 evening folks :D Oct 17 04:25:42 raster: really - hubs are a pita for the n900 Oct 17 04:25:50 rtyler: o/ Oct 17 04:26:12 raster: a hub that doesn't know about its own external power is supposed to limit current to 100mA for each of its 4 downstream ports Oct 17 04:26:24 lsusb will tell you in verbatim Oct 17 04:27:20 so if the hub doesn't tell host about "I got my own power" then host will ENUM N900 for max VBUS of 100mA Oct 17 04:27:34 DocScrutinizer: I've had some shocking hubs;) Binned them all Oct 17 04:28:47 raster: 4*100mA for downstream + 100mA for powering hub = 500mA which happens to be max VBUS from host, according to USB spec Oct 17 04:29:36 N900 is following this spec, and limits charging to a 100mA in your situation Oct 17 04:29:37 beats the crap out of me which hub it is Oct 17 04:30:02 http://slexy.org/view/s20mPJymxa Oct 17 04:31:13 any of you chaps hacking atop Maemo5? Oct 17 04:31:23 I suppose if you really research the spec and buy a top-quality hub it'll do ok for the n900 Oct 17 04:31:48 raster: lsusb -v ;-) Oct 17 04:32:02 don't redirect to printer :-P Oct 17 04:32:03 i know Oct 17 04:32:08 but "which one" :) Oct 17 04:35:33 raster: http://paste.debian.net/96775/ Oct 17 04:36:27 raster: watch out for changing product-id! Oct 17 04:36:46 oh u meant check for the n900 Oct 17 04:36:48 not the hub? Oct 17 04:38:02 MaxPower 500mA Oct 17 04:38:06 same Oct 17 04:38:10 well now it is Oct 17 04:38:12 err, you can check every device, but yes I've been talking about enum result for N900 like MaxPower 500mA #28 in my pastebin Oct 17 04:38:39 i thought u meant check to see what the usb hub says power-wise Oct 17 04:38:41 :) Oct 17 04:38:52 thats why is aid "beats me.. i have a fuck0-tonne of hubs listed" Oct 17 04:39:30 :nod: - odds are more than half of them are internal hubs of your host Oct 17 04:40:36 maybe Oct 17 04:40:37 maybe not Oct 17 04:40:43 i have a 10 port hub Oct 17 04:41:02 and a card reader with 3 more usb ports plugged into that Oct 17 04:41:11 which is actually like 3 or 4 logical hubs in itself :-) Oct 17 04:41:11 and another 4 port powered hub plugged into the 10 port Oct 17 04:41:17 and my monitor has a usb hub too Oct 17 04:41:20 with 4 ports Oct 17 04:41:22 and card reader Oct 17 04:41:46 and yup- that doesnt include any possible internal hubs on the motherboard Oct 17 04:41:47 :) Oct 17 04:42:03 thus why i went "crap... which one?" :) Oct 17 04:42:08 lol Oct 17 04:42:15 i could eliminate by uplugging everything Oct 17 04:42:16 etc. Oct 17 04:42:20 but i'm not going to bother Oct 17 04:42:21 :) Oct 17 04:42:25 following bus hierarchy usually helps Oct 17 04:48:31 hubs plugged into hubs is not going to be nice to the n900 I reckon Oct 17 04:58:50 lol, I'm checking hubs etc here. got a memstick (allegedly transcend) that gives me on lsusb -v -d1307:0165 : Oct 17 04:58:53 can't get debug descriptor: Connection timed out Oct 17 04:58:55 cannot read device status, Connection timed out (110) Oct 17 04:59:17 after several correct lines Oct 17 05:06:42 yea - I can buy "branded" kit here in the market and it's crapware ;) Oct 17 05:17:28 I need a mail client that can do multiple identities, any ideas? Oct 17 05:39:30 some of you might be interested in my success to enable hostmode in a different way than ~hostmode Oct 17 05:39:37 ~hostmode Oct 17 05:39:41 hostmode is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 Oct 17 05:40:49 no timing critical fiddling with starting/stopping bme, with plugging in memstick at a certain moment, etc Oct 17 05:42:06 Possibly interesting! Oct 17 05:42:31 I shall need to wake up - I'm just up to get painkillers, and am going to bed having not read it. Oct 17 05:42:33 great! Oct 17 05:43:06 this is more of a n900 question, would it be possible to use the touchscreen as a mouse for my desktop? Oct 17 06:02:38 goddam wifi :( Oct 17 06:17:37 rtyler: http://g.mmowe.com/index.php/archives/87712 Oct 17 06:20:22 I am having trouble understanding this Oct 17 06:20:33 I'm hoping english isn't the author's first language O_O Oct 17 06:20:37 morning all Oct 17 06:23:57 rtyler: Cantonese, I think. Oct 17 06:26:25 the little front sky has attempted to have assembled an once again , available , excited unexpectedly regularly Oct 17 06:26:59 mhm :-D Oct 17 06:28:14 well, nite peeps, hostmode the decent way made me so tired I'm going to follow up on this in 3h Oct 17 06:30:04 DocScrutinizer: looks good so far - keep up the good work-thanks Oct 17 06:36:15 mooorning? Oct 17 06:37:55 hey RST38h Oct 17 06:50:24 Oracle asked the founders of the Document Foundation and LibreOffice to leave the OpenOffice.org Community Council. Oct 17 06:50:26 Hehe Oct 17 06:50:36 lol Oct 17 06:50:37 ? Oct 17 06:50:42 why ? Oct 17 06:50:50 RST38h: erm, hadn't it already disbanded? Oct 17 06:50:56 * sivang googles Oct 17 06:50:57 dunno Oct 17 06:51:04 duncare Oct 17 06:51:16 But it is a DRAMA! Oct 17 06:51:24 well, if it had then it's FUDrama Oct 17 06:51:54 hehe Oct 17 06:55:03 doc: fud directed at whom? Oct 17 06:56:34 how do you define directed? If it's false, and I'm not sure it is, then it looks bad to Oracle Oct 17 06:56:46 erm, bad for Oracle, pr-wise Oct 17 06:57:09 enjoy: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council_Log_20101014 Oct 17 06:57:47 foss politics, not interesting, got a specific time? :) Oct 17 06:58:19 nevermind, found something someway relevant I think Oct 17 06:58:24 * doc|home reads Oct 17 06:59:35 doc: the enemy in question is CorNouws Oct 17 06:59:55 doc: He is both on the OO council and working on the fork Oct 17 07:00:37 doc: and they do not like that at all Oct 17 07:01:18 ok, seems the founders left, and the council itself didn't actually disband Oct 17 07:02:03 my memory of this is why I thought it had http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/28/openoffice_independence_from_oracle/ Oct 17 07:02:11 yes, theregister, I know :( Oct 17 07:03:06 * RST38h like the register Oct 17 07:03:18 it's reporting is blegh at best :/ Oct 17 07:03:21 (its Oct 17 07:04:00 Better than gizmodo Oct 17 07:05:00 Oh well... Oct 17 07:07:16 hi Oct 17 07:07:18 all Oct 17 07:07:34 hey Doc: Oct 17 07:08:15 hello all Oct 17 07:09:52 hey i think i figured out why my battery goes low Oct 17 07:11:34 i changed kernel power defualt to ideal Oct 17 07:22:40 N9 schematics: http://xckd.com/730/ Oct 17 07:31:49 RST38h, the best section of The Register is the BOFH section :p Oct 17 07:44:57 hey bigbrovar Oct 17 07:45:46 Texrat: hey Oct 17 07:45:55 name rings a bell Oct 17 07:46:12 I've seen you post at alk.maemo.org Oct 17 07:46:16 talk* Oct 17 07:46:49 yeah thats it Oct 17 07:46:58 I hardly there nowadays though Oct 17 07:47:02 where I think I hold the posting record :D Oct 17 07:47:06 yeah Oct 17 07:47:09 it's tailing off Oct 17 07:47:30 yeah ever since maemo became "mainstream" Oct 17 07:47:53 its what happens to your favourite underground artist when there go big screen lol Oct 17 07:50:55 not to mention MeeGo now getting the glory Oct 17 07:51:24 well, it certainly causes some waves when anything meego is mentioned Oct 17 07:52:10 i'm not sure if i should be happy or sad it was the pr 1.3 'multiboot' people spread around instead of the more important part, me being technical lead of meego/n900 ;) Oct 17 07:58:42 What is all the buzz about PR1.3 "enables multiboot maemo/meego"? As I've read, it's just like before - that the only people getting it is actually the same as before? Oct 17 07:58:58 basically a misunderstanding.. Oct 17 07:59:05 i.e. developers/power users feeling to test things Oct 17 07:59:12 PR1.3 kernel adds patches for kexec Oct 17 07:59:18 Ah, ok Oct 17 07:59:24 the way we'll do it in meego/n900 is through u-boot instead Oct 17 08:04:10 as far as the N900 is concerned I rather have a working functional as bug free as possible maemo than meego. N900 is the taget device of maemo and it would be hard for meego to have the same level of integration and smooth running Oct 17 08:04:43 give me turn by turn navigation and that is all I need. am good to go Oct 17 08:04:58 I can always get a meego device if one is eventually released Oct 17 08:09:07 pretty pleased with my N900 Oct 17 08:09:14 it survived a trip to Burning Man Oct 17 08:09:26 mine has lost its wifi capabilities Oct 17 08:09:29 it just craps out Oct 17 08:09:34 i think its the hardware Oct 17 08:09:35 most of my electronics gear dies a toasty death after my vacation week to that event in the desert Oct 17 08:09:41 the checksum of the kernel module and firmware is okay Oct 17 08:09:49 it complains about timeout when initializing the wifi Oct 17 08:10:09 oh shame about that Oct 17 08:15:57 Hi, all Oct 17 08:17:49 Hi, you Oct 17 08:26:20 redeeman: hey, there's been a report about a new N900 with broken wifi just yesterday Oct 17 08:36:56 DocScrutinizer: interresting Oct 17 08:37:02 you wouldn't happen to remember the number? Oct 17 08:37:24 number? Oct 17 08:37:30 bug# Oct 17 08:37:33 it's been here Oct 17 08:38:53 hey, can somebody point me to the dir where the n900 saves it's confugrations for wireless networks? i'd need to check a password i got for which version of it the n900 successfully uses... Oct 17 08:40:12 mikki-kun|N900: hmm, grep -Ri for the network in /? Oct 17 08:40:50 mikki-kun|N900, it's stored in gconf, I believe Oct 17 08:41:48 uhm, if it were me I'd do something like: gconftool -R / | less Oct 17 08:41:56 then type / in less and search for your network SSID Oct 17 08:42:14 maybe there's a more friendly/easy way, but I don't know it Oct 17 08:45:12 it does @sho it but like 10k likes other crap Oct 17 08:46:03 but less is not working Oct 17 08:46:24 switch out less for grep -C 10 MySSID Oct 17 08:46:25 every time i press enter ESCOM appears -_- Oct 17 08:46:58 Anyone use there N900 without a Sim with bluetooth tether? Oct 17 08:47:19 thanks Oct 17 08:47:23 that worked :) Oct 17 08:47:54 * johnx is impressed he's actually started to remember grep options ... Oct 17 08:48:12 only took 10 years Oct 17 08:48:52 LOL Oct 17 08:50:01 nice johnx :) Oct 17 08:51:05 johnx: you missed to metion the ^M instead of CR you'll need in an unpatched xterm for less / Oct 17 08:51:39 <_trine> does anyone use asterisk on their N900 here ? Oct 17 08:52:21 DocScrutinizer, good to know. I'd given it up as a lost cause and started learning to do without it Oct 17 08:52:52 I fixed the root cause instead :-P Oct 17 08:53:35 Noes, no hg for n900 Oct 17 08:56:12 FIQ|n900: porting hg should be a relatively no-brainer Oct 17 08:56:43 it's python... Oct 17 09:00:15 Hey Oct 17 09:00:28 How do I get out of the reboot loop? Charging and usb cable doesnt work... Oct 17 09:01:03 lolcat93, is your data backed up? Oct 17 09:01:05 I fixed the root cause instead :-P Oct 17 09:01:06 how? Oct 17 09:01:14 johnx: I'm not sure I have any... Oct 17 09:01:24 I really hate how ENTER is KP_ENTER... Oct 17 09:01:34 why the fuck did they even do that Oct 17 09:01:43 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 17 09:01:58 johnx: Any suggestions? Oct 17 09:02:11 at bottom Oct 17 09:02:17 johnx: I am not far away form returning it to the shop in hope to get a new one Oct 17 09:02:21 lolcat93, will it wait if you pull battery, plug in usb, hold 'u' (on the N900) and plug in the battery? Oct 17 09:02:41 lolcat93, returning it is another good answer :) Oct 17 09:03:10 MohammadAG: i'm still wondering about that one Oct 17 09:03:22 when van i releaze u? Oct 17 09:03:53 Looks like it does nothin.. Oct 17 09:03:54 Aww, Mandelbrot is dead Oct 17 09:03:55 when it stops at the 'usb logo' screen Oct 17 09:04:08 Nokia it says Oct 17 09:04:21 lolcat93, with a little 'usb' icon in the corner? Oct 17 09:04:26 yep Oct 17 09:04:30 you're set Oct 17 09:04:31 reflash Oct 17 09:04:35 how? Oct 17 09:04:44 what OS do you run on your desktop? Oct 17 09:04:51 and can i releaze u? Oct 17 09:04:51 ~flashing Oct 17 09:04:52 extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 17 09:04:54 ~flash Oct 17 09:04:54 i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 17 09:04:58 ubuntu Oct 17 09:05:31 Can I releaze the u? Oct 17 09:05:35 yeah Oct 17 09:05:36 yes XD Oct 17 09:06:06 I said 'when it stops at the 'usb logo' screen' a couple minutes ago :) Oct 17 09:06:19 lol Oct 17 09:06:23 Ahh Oct 17 09:06:40 It was a pita to hold it down while typing and such Oct 17 09:06:56 * DocScrutinizer cackles Oct 17 09:07:06 :D yeah, it just forces the device into 'flashing' mode. once it's there you're good Oct 17 09:08:09 I recommend though you switch it off immediately, read ALL the page about flashing, prepare everything, then continue doing same procedure to get to "u" mode Oct 17 09:08:58 otherwise odds are your battery drains to point of no return, which will create a nice deadlock as you can't charge without flashing, and can't flash without prior charging Oct 17 09:09:21 Is this a long thing? Oct 17 09:09:33 I'll get a replacement within a week if I return it Oct 17 09:09:33 flashing? naw, 60s Oct 17 09:09:54 There is no link to download the damn software Oct 17 09:10:06 * lolcat93 havent slept and is mildly grumpy Oct 17 09:10:15 might want to leave it until tomorrow Oct 17 09:10:50 there is a link, look for URL with nokia in it Oct 17 09:11:20 since it will get to flashing mode we know it's possible to restore it, but if you're tired and impatient and screw up the command you might have a whole bunch more work to restore it Oct 17 09:11:50 Oh, I just had to scroll down to see the accept thing Oct 17 09:12:16 unless you drain your battery meanwhile, then suddenly you can't enter flashing mode anymore Oct 17 09:12:40 Doh it doesnt work with 64 bit... Oct 17 09:12:49 but in case you end up like this, it's still possible to charge your battery with another n900 (or at the store) Oct 17 09:12:56 lolcat93: it does, but you need ia32-libs Oct 17 09:12:57 lolcat93, --force-architecture Oct 17 09:14:02 off-topic: I really wish we had multiarch already ... Oct 17 09:15:29 I guess I will just go to the shop Oct 17 09:15:40 I haven't done anything that could possibly break it Oct 17 09:16:21 sounds like a good option :) Oct 17 09:18:01 johnx: I assume it will take forever Oct 17 09:18:15 heh. which option? Oct 17 09:18:47 flashing? maybe 30 minutes total time, including downloading the tools, and ia32-libs, and actually flashing Oct 17 09:18:49 Returning it Oct 17 09:19:00 It will take at least a week Oct 17 09:19:02 taking it to a store? yeah maybe instantaneous or maybe weeks Oct 17 09:19:30 if you're not comfortable with the CLI there's a GUI flasher for windows Oct 17 09:19:30 But if this happens three times, they are obligated by law to give me my money back, or a new device Oct 17 09:19:46 I'm not really comfortable with Windows anymore Oct 17 09:20:18 it's nice when that leaves Oct 17 09:20:21 It is Linux all the way here Oct 17 09:20:25 eventually the memories fade too lolcat93 Oct 17 09:20:36 then, it's time to start getting comfy with the Linux CLI Oct 17 09:20:44 you might even get to like it eventually :) Oct 17 09:20:44 all those wonderful midnights you wanted to run down the street with a submachinegun Oct 17 09:20:50 With Windows 95 I knew EVERYTHING, I could fix whatever Oct 17 09:20:50 shooting into anything that moved Oct 17 09:20:58 But with Vista I know nothing Oct 17 09:21:11 Barley toutched Windows 7 Oct 17 09:21:28 I like ubuntu, especially here where I have to use a wired network Oct 17 09:23:36 But the fun thing with this phone is that, I got it on the insurance for my stolen N97. Then I got a discount of around $200-300 because it had a scratch in the screen (display phone). I told him I would just loose the money, so he gave me a "package deal" where I got a 16 gb micro-sd card and a handsfree and something else. But on the recite it says I only paid for the N900 Oct 17 09:24:36 well, that's good and bad :) Oct 17 09:24:41 And the three strike rule is awesome. If I get the money back, I can order it from a cheaper store, and if I get a new one I get rid of the scratch Oct 17 09:26:40 how do I suppress killall? Oct 17 09:26:49 rm killall Oct 17 09:26:52 suppress? Oct 17 09:26:59 MohamadAG-N900:/etc$ killall somethingthatisntrunning Oct 17 09:26:59 killall: somethingthatisntrunning: no process killed Oct 17 09:27:02 get rid of that ^ Oct 17 09:27:11 killall foo 2> /dev/null Oct 17 09:27:19 2> Oct 17 09:27:20 ? Oct 17 09:27:26 redirect stderr Oct 17 09:27:29 1 is stdout Oct 17 09:27:35 ah Oct 17 09:27:37 thanks :D Oct 17 09:28:10 useful construct: killall myprogram 2> /dev/null || echo "my own error message" Oct 17 09:35:29 even more useful sometimes: while killall foobar 2>/dev/null; do sleep 0.1; done Oct 17 09:36:57 and all sorts of fun variations including printing a '.' everytime you go through the loop :) Oct 17 09:37:35 though, uhm, isn't your logic backwards? Oct 17 09:38:23 backwards logic? Oct 17 09:38:46 the loop waits until the process actually terminates Oct 17 09:38:47 if it was killed, loop? Oct 17 09:39:06 yes Oct 17 09:39:24 yeah, guess I could see that Oct 17 09:39:26 great as long as something isn't respawning it for you ;) Oct 17 09:39:58 if it's respawning too fast then you're busted Oct 17 09:41:26 I believe the saying goes " ... and now you have two problems" Oct 17 09:45:35 ~lart comcast's DNS admins Oct 17 09:45:36 * infobot gives comcast's DNS admins a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" Oct 17 09:46:01 that, uh, isn't helping infobot ... Oct 17 09:48:54 i want to install many development packages from debian repo to my scratchbox, but i get dependency error Oct 17 09:49:50 Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed Oct 17 09:56:49 ilius, then it looks like those packages will need to be reworked before they can be installed Oct 17 10:21:34 are there any apps which use QFile to read data? Oct 17 10:26:03 nevermind, Symbian example helped :/ Oct 17 10:39:56 Hello. Oct 17 10:40:23 hallo D-Iivil Oct 17 10:40:41 what's up here? Oct 17 10:43:48 not too much. Oct 17 10:43:52 late saturday night :) Oct 17 10:44:42 johnx, it's already mid sunday here. Oct 17 10:44:53 what's it like in the future? Oct 17 10:45:02 hehe :) Oct 17 10:45:13 Pretty much the same as elsewhere I think. Oct 17 10:45:38 do you have flying cars yet? Oct 17 10:45:53 No, no yet. Oct 17 10:46:02 bah. I'll just sleep in then Oct 17 10:46:12 lol Oct 17 10:46:39 Yeah, tomorrow's gonna be pretty boring worldwide. Oct 17 10:46:59 hmm Oct 17 10:47:10 I wonder if anyone changed their green full battery light into something else... Oct 17 10:47:41 MohammadAG, why? It should be pretty easy. Oct 17 10:47:57 cause I want to use a green light in my app lol Oct 17 10:48:24 MohammadAG, you're programming traffic lights app? :P Oct 17 10:48:33 maybe :P Oct 17 10:48:56 "red, orange, GO!" Oct 17 10:49:31 Would actually be pretty cool with 0-60mph gps timer bundled with :P Oct 17 10:50:56 D-Iivil, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50NhK5tl9xw Oct 17 10:50:57 Since I'm here I will ask this guestion here aswell; is there a way to restart Xorg without rebooting the whole device (N900)? Oct 17 10:51:20 with those boards, when the jailbreak is in progress, it shows a red LED, when it's done, it changes to green Oct 17 10:51:25 MohammadAG, too lazy to try to stream that over 2G... Oct 17 10:51:28 the N900 has both colours :) Oct 17 10:51:32 oh lol Oct 17 10:51:56 And I'm already almost out of battery too. Oct 17 11:00:44 Anyone? No ideas about that Xorg guestion? Oct 17 11:01:33 not on n900 lol Oct 17 11:01:54 D-Iivil, check in the init script. you might be able to do it, but I doubt it's safe to do all the time Oct 17 11:01:58 Strange how without the -opengl option to qmlviewer my code runs smoother and looks better. Oct 17 11:03:13 johnx, will do that, thanks :) I'm just bored to boot the phone while testing stuff and I want to try if restarting Xorg would really clear all cached theme elements and show changed ones like after the reboot :) Oct 17 11:04:17 alterego, makes sense. after all, you're already in a composited context without 'opengl' mode ... Oct 17 11:07:30 Hrm, maybe, I would have thought some of the QML primitives would be optimized for OpenGL. Oct 17 11:08:40 correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that if you tried to use openGL in a window in maemo 5 you'd basically end up having to render-to-texture before it got to the screen Oct 17 11:09:39 Yeah .. Oct 17 11:09:51 Well, no Oct 17 11:10:17 Normal programs are effectively being run like that. Oct 17 11:10:37 But if you create a opengl app you get your own gl context. Oct 17 11:11:14 Actually, when you use the opengl flag on qmlviewer there are more colours, just not good antialiasing and the animations don't seem as smooth. Oct 17 11:11:28 huh. what happens when you do the 'app switcher' thing? Oct 17 11:12:28 It usually works alright, I think becausr then the compositor reads the buffer Oct 17 11:12:55 if you say so :) Oct 17 11:19:31 hi Oct 17 11:24:04 first app which uses LEDs and doesn't break mce? http://gitorious.org/psfreedomui/psfreedomui/blobs/master/src/procwatch.cpp :P Oct 17 11:24:25 * MohammadAG should learn how to use dbus properly instead of using system() Oct 17 11:26:21 * johnx makes his own life more difficult than it needs to be Oct 17 11:43:22 it's really hard to go back to a 770 for browsing :) Oct 17 11:46:03 * pupnik is amazed how long it took between announcement of omap3 and products with omap3 Oct 17 11:47:26 pupnik, that is horrible. Why would you do such a thing? Oct 17 11:47:27 :p Oct 17 11:47:31 hi, anyone know how to add a new encoding to microb? Oct 17 11:49:01 TermanaN900: still waiting for my omap3 ship to come in. waiting since feb 2007 Oct 17 11:50:01 browser->adjust view->encoding Oct 17 11:56:07 MohammadAG: uh, hasnt that req_lead_pattern_activate been known for a while? :D Oct 17 11:57:14 frals, true, but most apps write to /sys directly, or disable the engine1 & engine2 Oct 17 11:57:35 writing to /sys eats CPU, disabling engine1 & 2 requires an mce restart after the app's run Oct 17 11:57:42 fcamera would be an example Oct 17 11:57:55 i think i played around wit the dbus stuff when trying to get mms notifications working :P Oct 17 11:58:07 with default patterns, I'm sure :) Oct 17 11:58:36 'writing to sys eats CPU' ? Oct 17 11:58:46 oshin: *WHY*? Oct 17 11:59:03 SpeedEvil, lemme rephrase, while true; do echo 255 > lednode; done Oct 17 11:59:26 timeless_mbp, to force an encoding over a page that use wrong encoding in the html header. Oct 17 11:59:36 ah Oct 17 11:59:55 otherwise, mce would turn off the led Oct 17 12:00:14 oshin: let's try again Oct 17 12:00:18 WHAT PAGE!@ Oct 17 12:00:25 WHICH ENCODING Oct 17 12:00:29 * timeless_mbp *hates* users Oct 17 12:00:45 SHOW ME THE MONEY Oct 17 12:00:49 timeless_mbp, some thai page that the contents are in iso-8859-11 but the html header says utf-8 Oct 17 12:01:00 Oh I'm sorry. Wrong situation Oct 17 12:01:02 :p Oct 17 12:01:27 oshin: thai? glory Oct 17 12:01:42 any idea? Oct 17 12:01:48 i am bored by grepping. Oct 17 12:02:01 oshin: personally i'd just yell at the idiotic page author Oct 17 12:02:14 then i'd load content from elsewhere and boycott his page until he fixed it Oct 17 12:02:33 so you don't know? Oct 17 12:02:34 but if for some *insane* reason you persist in visiting such an idiotic service provider Oct 17 12:02:38 to get such *Crappy* content Oct 17 12:02:48 then you're best served by using firefox for mobile, or perhaps opera Oct 17 12:02:54 it could happened with content automated by bots etc. Oct 17 12:03:05 well some idiot is clearly providing content Oct 17 12:03:06 anyway, thanks. Oct 17 12:03:10 managing the bot, etc Oct 17 12:03:17 do the world a favor and complain to that guy Oct 17 12:03:23 the design of microb is to give users choices that make sense for the product Oct 17 12:03:30 the product (the n900) does not include support for Thai Oct 17 12:03:35 pissing the hell out of timeless_mbp and what not Oct 17 12:03:54 so including menu options which are not remotely useful for 99.99% of the target audience is a huge waste of resources Oct 17 12:04:01 not counting localization, testing, etc Oct 17 12:04:05 well Oct 17 12:04:09 there's adjust view option Oct 17 12:04:11 it actually confuses the majority of the userbase Oct 17 12:04:21 and that's a single line of iconv that can be coded Oct 17 12:04:27 um Oct 17 12:04:28 no Oct 17 12:04:31 not even remotely close Oct 17 12:04:34 1. it isn't iconv Oct 17 12:04:48 yes, and any poor sap who actually needs to use that for a supported region will be stuck w/ one more useless and confusing option Oct 17 12:04:48 3. underpants Oct 17 12:04:54 and a sane coder should just have loaded another editable text file to map the conversion Oct 17 12:05:02 a sane coder wouldn't work for nokia Oct 17 12:05:10 and a sane coder would fire a user like you Oct 17 12:05:13 i'm picking the latter option Oct 17 12:05:28 Also - nokia has a fundamental problem with UI - they tend to have nigh-immovable specs set in stone. Oct 17 12:05:41 SpeedEvil: understatement Oct 17 12:05:41 Which do not take account of sensible user comments. Oct 17 12:05:51 note: this user's comments aren't sensible Oct 17 12:05:53 may be greasemonkey could help me on this. Oct 17 12:06:01 oshin: i highly doubt it Oct 17 12:06:06 +5 insightful SpeedEvil Oct 17 12:06:19 i bet i can change the html header with it? Oct 17 12:06:21 oshin: greasemonkey gets a page once you have the page Oct 17 12:06:24 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10354 - for example. Mashing two keys shouldn't work - you should always press them carefully in the right order. Oct 17 12:06:27 Bug 10354: Symbol virtual keyboard inconsistent to access from hardware keyboard. Oct 17 12:06:27 which means decoding is already done Oct 17 12:06:46 SpeedEvil: yeah, our ui designers are idiots Oct 17 12:07:06 they conspire w/ the intl/l10n/kb people to produce the worst experience possible Oct 17 12:07:11 and they're very good at it Oct 17 12:07:26 ill modify polipo then, thanks. Oct 17 12:07:28 and by "decoding", please read "destructive mangling" Oct 17 12:08:04 I'm unsure. I see the value of consistency - even if it annoys some users. Where I object is whenthat spec is not updated when updating it would not confuse the user in any way or complicate the interface, and be useful for users. Oct 17 12:08:10 oshin: really, getting decoding right by the time it gets to browsers is full of fail Oct 17 12:08:18 and real users can not use such a menu Oct 17 12:08:32 we used it all the time here. Oct 17 12:08:35 and if someone does manage to screw up the headers, they probably also will manage to *mix* the screwed up content Oct 17 12:08:36 They should all just learn en-us. :) Oct 17 12:08:39 a lot of pages were like that. Oct 17 12:08:57 oshin: used which? Oct 17 12:08:59 where? Oct 17 12:08:59 due to some migration of database of php webboard i think.. well, dunno. Oct 17 12:09:08 ah see, some idiot screwed something up Oct 17 12:09:16 and instead of you complaining to the right idiot Oct 17 12:09:18 you come here Oct 17 12:09:18 timeless, do adjustment on page encoding. Oct 17 12:09:27 expecting a miracle Oct 17 12:09:39 i expect some sane in the development. Oct 17 12:09:55 that a simple stuffs like encoding should be easily added Oct 17 12:09:56 well, i expect the idiot who screwed up the conversation to be the one who gets whipped Oct 17 12:09:58 MuhammedAG its there coming any updates on psfreedom? Oct 17 12:10:02 that's where it went wrong Oct 17 12:10:05 that's why the world has something called 'work-around' Oct 17 12:10:05 that's where it should be fixed Oct 17 12:10:18 yeah, work-around = find a better content provider Oct 17 12:10:21 one which doesn't get this wrong Oct 17 12:10:27 it's a part of software engineering since stone edge. Oct 17 12:10:41 * timeless_mbp ponders Oct 17 12:10:43 no Oct 17 12:10:53 if you can't read EDBIC Oct 17 12:10:58 you don't add support for EDBIC Oct 17 12:11:04 you just don't waste time reading EDBIC Oct 17 12:11:10 it saves everyone lots of time and money Oct 17 12:11:20 MSJ1983, yes, tomorrow hopefully Oct 17 12:11:25 in about:config there seems to be a list of encoding Oct 17 12:11:27 and if someone really wants that EDBIC content, they convert it *properly* and publish it in a supported format Oct 17 12:11:32 wonder what it can do. Oct 17 12:11:38 oshin: the MicroB ui is not Gecko Oct 17 12:11:43 it's hand written gtk-c Oct 17 12:11:54 and the strings are .po/.mo based Oct 17 12:12:00 so, in short, "it does nothing" Oct 17 12:12:14 you could of course try Firefox for mobile Oct 17 12:12:24 * timeless_mbp said that about 30 lines ago Oct 17 12:12:30 what's the package of software that has this adjustview menu implemented? Oct 17 12:12:45 offhand, probably tablet-browser-ui or something Oct 17 12:12:46 it's closed Oct 17 12:12:50 don't bother looking for it Oct 17 12:12:55 heh, i didn't notice firefox thanks Oct 17 12:12:59 ... Oct 17 12:13:01 * oshin tries. Oct 17 12:13:15 oshin: please do me a favor and read everything i write to you instead of ignoring it Oct 17 12:13:22 i'm not writing things to you because i like writing Oct 17 12:13:27 i'm inherently lazy Oct 17 12:13:32 timeless_mbp, may I ask why it's closed? it's fairly simple Oct 17 12:13:40 dude you type to fart and pardon me i am not even a native english user Oct 17 12:13:41 unlike bme and that stuff Oct 17 12:13:50 but do me the common courtesy of reading answers to questions you ask Oct 17 12:13:56 can you send text message (sms) from command line, and read incoming messages too? Oct 17 12:14:00 MohammadAG: management process failure Oct 17 12:14:10 timeless_mbp: you should probably just switch to a different channel, you seem to care about this way too much Oct 17 12:14:24 oshin: if you don't understand something someone says, ask for clarification Oct 17 12:14:25 timeless_mbp: http://xkcd.com/386/ Oct 17 12:14:26 well firefox is slow Oct 17 12:14:26 don't ignore it Oct 17 12:14:39 I left #maemo for a few months, it was great Oct 17 12:14:42 and yeh i can safely ignore it later. Oct 17 12:14:53 in fact it was just my irssi config that brought me back by mistake Oct 17 12:14:55 like 'on the fly' ignoring the resolution. Oct 17 12:15:00 Robot101: heh Oct 17 12:15:01 s/re// Oct 17 12:15:02 oshin meant: like 'on the fly' ignoring the solution. Oct 17 12:15:27 i was wondering why you ended up back here Oct 17 12:15:40 I wonder why you stay here if it makes you so angry :) Oct 17 12:15:49 Robot101: it doesn't most of the time :) Oct 17 12:15:57 and sometimes people listen Oct 17 12:16:08 or at least, i have to hope that once in a while people would listen Oct 17 12:16:11 it could happen! Oct 17 12:16:11 well it doesn't make me angry most of the time either, but when it does it really excels :P Oct 17 12:16:12 yeh he's useful most of the time. Oct 17 12:16:30 I'm mostly just laughing at the moment Oct 17 12:16:35 oshin: you do realize that i *work* on the browser, right? Oct 17 12:16:44 which is good because I needed cheering up Oct 17 12:16:48 you're more or less asking about my baby and then ignoring me Oct 17 12:16:48 hell no! Oct 17 12:16:52 which is a terrible idea Oct 17 12:17:08 and if you don't know what a person here does, there's a part of maemo.org w/ profiles that would tell you Oct 17 12:17:18 i was thinking about hermes 4 or somthing that come up MuhammadAG Oct 17 12:17:29 i wouldn't bother reading that for just a simple question Oct 17 12:17:50 like how to add more encoding and get 'no' rather than 'why' Oct 17 12:18:09 see? world work easier that way. Oct 17 12:18:14 oshin: if there's a major content producer, i'm willing to use that either to contact the producer directly Oct 17 12:18:26 or to suggest to some future UI person that we might need to include the option Oct 17 12:18:36 well, that's like xml philosophy Oct 17 12:18:41 people do produces error Oct 17 12:18:53 s/produces error/produce errors/ Oct 17 12:18:57 yes, you've proven that Oct 17 12:19:19 and why you wasting your time manifying the error? Oct 17 12:19:25 aren't you producing it as well? Oct 17 12:19:59 * timeless_mbp looks up http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=manify Oct 17 12:20:14 did you mean magnify?… Oct 17 12:20:31 oshin: put differently Oct 17 12:20:43 if you have content which has a tiny error in it, such as your typos Oct 17 12:20:48 you ignore it, right? Oct 17 12:20:49 it's fun, but.. i dont have time Oct 17 12:20:53 yeh Oct 17 12:20:57 why don't you ignore the minor errors w/ the thai content? Oct 17 12:21:00 like rasterman Oct 17 12:21:08 i can't read them Oct 17 12:21:10 what's so different between the thai content and me? Oct 17 12:21:22 well hey, it's cool but later Oct 17 12:21:22 well, why is that thai content so important? Oct 17 12:21:31 need to get something done quickly Oct 17 12:21:33 (this was my original question) Oct 17 12:21:34 friend sutffs Oct 17 12:21:40 like chatting board Oct 17 12:21:51 later! Oct 17 12:21:55 surely there's an admin you could contact Oct 17 12:22:01 well... no Oct 17 12:22:02 if you do that, you'll fix your problem forever Oct 17 12:22:03 too bad Oct 17 12:22:12 they hardly response you know Oct 17 12:22:15 instead of having to fix it for each page or at least each session Oct 17 12:22:21 have you tried? Oct 17 12:22:25 sure Oct 17 12:22:29 on this item? Oct 17 12:22:31 i even know his home Oct 17 12:22:32 (with pictures) Oct 17 12:22:56 well.. since in other browser they can have default encoding Oct 17 12:23:04 we can too Oct 17 12:23:16 for a limited set of encodings that made sense for our target audience Oct 17 12:23:17 and adjust encoding that can be easily accessed Oct 17 12:23:26 people lived with it Oct 17 12:23:30 and they don't bother fixing Oct 17 12:23:37 ah works! Oct 17 12:23:40 thanks really! Oct 17 12:23:50 which works? firefox for mobile? Oct 17 12:24:01 no, firefox desktop Oct 17 12:24:14 i am on mobile they are on desktop so i don't know Oct 17 12:24:14 "you can't take it with you" Oct 17 12:24:50 fwiw, i can't see any obvious way to manually add an encoding to Safari on OS X Oct 17 12:25:00 and i'd be shocked to discover i could w/ Safari on my iPod touch Oct 17 12:25:15 (first I'd have to find my iPod touch, then i'd have to find the charging cable, and then ...) Oct 17 12:25:19 can't you just edit nib on safari osx? Oct 17 12:25:36 the odds of that doing anything remotely useful are rather poor Oct 17 12:25:42 but sure, i can edit a nib Oct 17 12:25:43 to add more encoding if the underlying coversion is in something like iconv Oct 17 12:25:50 no Oct 17 12:25:55 not generally Oct 17 12:26:04 you're assuming a very specific form of plumbing Oct 17 12:26:09 which is unlikely to be present Oct 17 12:26:30 well i have that in the framework ive been working on say gnustep Oct 17 12:26:34 in Gecko's case, sometimes something like that works Oct 17 12:26:45 add something we don't code, we fix the nibs Oct 17 12:26:59 but in MicroB or Safari, you typically have a UI which maps a stringID to a number and a user visible string Oct 17 12:27:18 the number is then specifically hard coded to do work in a couple of functions Oct 17 12:27:27 so adding a new user visible string does nothing Oct 17 12:27:43 because there's no hard coding on the other side for the other number to do what you want â„¢ Oct 17 12:28:02 i think i better port libobjc2 to meego Oct 17 12:28:10 thanks! Oct 17 12:28:14 (this is definitely true for MicroB, how accurate it is for Safari, I can't say) Oct 17 12:28:41 "have fun storming the castle" Oct 17 12:30:01 * timeless_mbp wonders if people recognize that line Oct 17 12:30:43 yeh it's cool Oct 17 12:31:21 btw Oct 17 12:31:34 when i say "ah works" it means argh i have some works to do. Oct 17 12:31:52 i just found the conversaions' meaning went downhill lol Oct 17 12:32:45 oh, you meant "ah, work :(", not "ah, [it] works" Oct 17 12:32:58 * timeless_mbp sighs Oct 17 12:32:59 yeh Oct 17 12:33:00 lol Oct 17 12:33:03 welll Oct 17 12:33:05 see, getting things right is important Oct 17 12:33:07 n/m Oct 17 12:33:09 sure Oct 17 12:33:14 but we can fixed it later Oct 17 12:33:17 like now Oct 17 12:33:23 depends Oct 17 12:33:29 that requires someone to recognize there was a mistake Oct 17 12:33:34 and it assumes no one storms off in a huff Oct 17 12:33:39 (as Robot101 suggested) Oct 17 12:33:52 just different approach on how to collecting expereience on how to producing error Oct 17 12:34:32 i am thinking of something, sorry for the grammar Oct 17 12:39:12 http://apps.open-pandora.org/cgi-bin/viewarea.pl?Games Oct 17 12:39:13 Games, portable to n900. There Oct 17 12:50:31 is there any compiler that can obfusticate the resulting binary, maybe sign each with a unique hash? Oct 17 12:52:30 more hames Oct 17 12:52:31 :- Oct 17 12:52:34 games :-) Oct 17 12:55:44 MSJ1983: there are only a handful un-ported ones. but some look cool Oct 17 12:56:13 jaii... Oct 17 12:56:24 somebody tried live wallpapers on the nokia n900 Oct 17 12:56:30 myne crashes now all time Oct 17 12:56:38 somebody know what do to Oct 17 12:56:57 i can not make i normal again Oct 17 12:57:00 plz help Oct 17 12:58:00 MSJ1983, hrm Oct 17 12:58:05 which specific ones are you trying Oct 17 12:58:15 and whats the actual errors and when do they happen Oct 17 12:58:27 that withe ariplane Oct 17 12:58:29 and city Oct 17 12:58:30 thing Oct 17 12:58:33 crap program Oct 17 12:58:45 Hey Oct 17 12:58:48 how's everyone doing ? Oct 17 13:00:31 weee Oct 17 13:00:44 somebody know if i reset the nokia n900 what happend to my contackts Oct 17 13:01:41 hmm Oct 17 13:01:59 top metal bar is making an annoying click whenever I touch it Oct 17 13:02:03 any fixes? Oct 17 13:02:25 :_( Oct 17 13:03:32 lcuk, I noticed the new hildon-desktop (probably for PR1.3) has live-bg code in it Oct 17 13:03:57 MohammadAG, its been there for a while, or do you mean new code Oct 17 13:04:55 not sure, but it has to do with the desktop bg not moving when live-bg is active Oct 17 13:05:06 which wasn't planned in the old PR1.2 live-bg Oct 17 13:05:48 afaik its there already, since livewp has option for one background over all screens as does gas balls Oct 17 13:12:07 Anyone from India here ? i needed to know if there were any stores where i could buy the N900 screen protector Oct 17 13:12:48 I used ebay for mine. Oct 17 13:13:00 Got a pack of 10, used 1 Oct 17 13:13:01 3 Oct 17 13:13:34 Cost ? Oct 17 13:14:15 got a DQC-160 Oct 17 13:14:15 3.99 pounds I think. Oct 17 13:14:18 really cheap Oct 17 13:14:25 omg thats so cheap Oct 17 13:14:38 Martin Fields costs like 20 $ with shipping for 1 Oct 17 13:14:42 yes Oct 17 13:15:21 I'm not saying these protectors fon't suck compred to an expensive one - but personally, they make the device no harder to use, and protect mys crren from scratches. Oct 17 13:15:22 * lcuk was surprised by how many multitouch devices failed the boobie test Oct 17 13:16:08 boobie? test? Oct 17 13:16:44 o.0 Oct 17 13:16:46 Vikuiti DQC-160, about €10 shipped i think Oct 17 13:16:46 controlling the device with boobs? Oct 17 13:17:02 using it since january Oct 17 13:17:08 Ow .... Okay do they provide a clear display ? Oct 17 13:17:15 MohammadAG51, multitouch computers from lots of manufacturers, I played with a load of them and just try to draw 2 big circles on the screen one with each hand Oct 17 13:17:23 device got scratched, screen didn't Oct 17 13:17:25 like boobies Oct 17 13:17:44 aww. that's a far less entertaining mental image ;) Oct 17 13:18:14 Chani, I walked out of the store leaving loads of screens with amusingly incorrect drawings Oct 17 13:18:26 lol Oct 17 13:18:31 hehe Oct 17 13:18:36 i removed the youtube of it, but I have the original video from earlier this year here.. Oct 17 13:18:52 liqbase.net? :P Oct 17 13:19:03 http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp4 Oct 17 13:19:30 there was a hp dual mode slate which appeared to work better than naything :) it even had a stylus! Oct 17 13:19:36 anything ^ Oct 17 13:20:30 should be on TPB Oct 17 13:21:01 i want to disassemble the screen Oct 17 13:21:04 but i'm scared Oct 17 13:21:27 MohammadAG51, my n900 is scratched o_O Oct 17 13:21:41 happened sometime on my trip Oct 17 13:21:54 my N900's screen is scratched .. very lightly though .. caused by the stupid stylus Oct 17 13:22:15 i pulled the headset out of my pocket, the n900 was connected, it didn't hold well so it hit the ground Oct 17 13:22:29 xDaReaperx, the stylus does not scratch the screen Oct 17 13:22:43 but it has a very small surface area and if it catches a piece of grit Oct 17 13:22:45 got a scratch on the battery cover Oct 17 13:22:50 it will carry it around Oct 17 13:22:52 and near the right speaker Oct 17 13:23:02 * lcuk used a wet wipe on the plane and made it squeeky clean Oct 17 13:23:05 metal bar is still new, but it creaks at the top now Oct 17 13:23:33 i don't know but when ever i use the stylus , while scrolling i fell like i'm scratching the screen Oct 17 13:23:48 its barely visible , but i'd better get a screen protector Oct 17 13:24:23 xDaReaperx, I have learnt to feel that situation Oct 17 13:24:34 its like trying to write with a pencil with broken lead tip Oct 17 13:24:38 you "feel" it quickly Oct 17 13:24:43 kind of Oct 17 13:25:22 ahhh I also did that video: http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.confused.multitouch.20100329_006.mp4 Oct 17 13:25:33 lol Oct 17 13:26:39 I found that a sharpened bit of twig was actually much less liably to grab grit than the pointer. Oct 17 13:26:44 its frustrating because microsoft surface components include multiplayer games Oct 17 13:26:45 Oddly. Oct 17 13:27:06 SpeedEvil, potentially because the grit could be taken up into the wood a little Oct 17 13:27:16 I _wrecked_ my first protector due to 'blocks'. Oct 17 13:27:22 haha Oct 17 13:27:26 i was once on the train Oct 17 13:27:37 and a woman next to me pulled out a dell axiom Oct 17 13:27:46 I couldnt see her actual screen pixels Oct 17 13:27:58 but the reflection caught her scratch marks Oct 17 13:28:34 the internet says using a banana could remove scratches =/ Oct 17 13:28:45 and she must play solitaire every single day Oct 17 13:29:09 xDaReaperx: Rub a bananna in your eye, and you can't see scratches. Oct 17 13:29:20 haha Oct 17 13:29:37 In practice, removing scratches is very much harder trhan not creating them. Oct 17 13:29:50 Also - the gel on the backof screen protectors will cover up most. Oct 17 13:30:08 * lcuk once tried to remove a scratch from CRT with anti glare coating Oct 17 13:30:30 I did that too. Oct 17 13:30:53 I ended up going over the screen with SiC paper, to make it even, and then coating with linseed oil. Oct 17 13:31:01 It worked surprisingly well. Oct 17 13:31:13 ~moo Oct 17 13:31:14 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Oct 17 13:31:36 Actually. Oct 17 13:31:42 More methane comes out of the mouth. Oct 17 13:33:10 curse infobot for putting that song in my head Oct 17 13:33:29 lol srsly ? banana's : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfT9qfVkVQM Oct 17 13:46:22 sad thing is i can't buy online i'm like only 17 Oct 17 13:46:41 could have bought a screen protector online or else Oct 17 13:48:08 * RST38h yawns Oct 17 13:48:24 You can buy online even if you are only a dog Oct 17 13:48:49 like how ? Oct 17 13:48:59 i dont have a credit card ... also Oct 17 13:49:05 not even a bank account lol Oct 17 13:49:17 well your restriction isnt being 17 Oct 17 13:49:21 its not having a bank account. Oct 17 13:49:41 They won't sell you booze, but you can probably get uranium chloride Oct 17 13:50:00 meaning ? Oct 17 13:51:16 nidO: true Oct 17 13:51:20 I've had a bank account since I was 5 Oct 17 13:51:28 how can someone not have a bank account at 17? Oct 17 13:51:32 *boggle* Oct 17 13:51:40 nah i dont have one sadly no joke Oct 17 13:52:09 Myrtti: tztztzz Oct 17 13:52:26 get a debit card? Oct 17 13:52:42 hmm no , i have paypal with no cash in it Oct 17 13:52:44 lo MohammadAG Oct 17 13:53:04 in Israel they let you buy one at any age, yet in other shops they think having a credit/debit card means your 18+ Oct 17 13:53:12 o/ DocScrutinizer Oct 17 13:53:14 hah!! now we got to the root issue - you got no MONEY Oct 17 13:53:30 xDaReaperx, go out and buy one Oct 17 13:53:35 uh i get pocket money Oct 17 13:53:37 our local post office sells debit card Oct 17 13:53:39 s Oct 17 13:53:48 hmm ok Oct 17 13:53:54 hi Termana *cracks knuckles* Oct 17 13:54:04 errr hello Oct 17 13:54:10 what have I done now? :p Oct 17 13:54:32 you showed up xP Oct 17 13:54:42 heh :P Oct 17 13:55:45 Myrrti: I did not have bank account at 17. Oct 17 13:56:25 But as I didn't have any money either, it didn't bother me:) Oct 17 13:56:27 well i went to getjar.com yesterday and i wrote to them about including Maemo application softwares on their website and include support for the phones N770, N800 , N810 and N900, i got an email saying : We're working on it.Thanks, Oct 17 13:56:29 xDaReaperx, resistive screens seem to scratch more easily and the worst bit about them is that you can actually feel and hear it as you use it (once you've scratched it - feels/sounds aweful) Oct 17 13:56:43 Either resistive screens or maybe it's just Nokia's Oct 17 13:56:52 * lcuk pokes VDVsx Oct 17 13:56:58 yes thats right ... thats why it feels weird while using the stylus to scroll and stuff Oct 17 13:57:02 But I got it on my N810 and it seems to be starting on my n900 as well Oct 17 13:57:30 * DocScrutinizer stares at N900 "switching on" from act_dead, like the 1000th time, wondering... Oct 17 13:57:59 I don't know but , Nokia had better touch screen on the N97 Oct 17 13:58:19 dashavoo: act_dead? Oct 17 13:58:25 ~lart xDaReaperx Oct 17 13:58:26 * infobot turns xDaReaperx into a lifesized tux doll Oct 17 13:58:35 sivang: huh? Oct 17 13:58:36 wow lol Oct 17 13:59:06 sivang, I think you meant DocScrutinizer Oct 17 13:59:11 aah, tabcomplete fail Oct 17 13:59:12 ETAB Oct 17 13:59:40 sivang, and act_dead is the state it's in when you plug the charger in when it's off and it starts booting and then goes "dead" Oct 17 14:00:06 sivang: act_dead aka "charging" aka possibly runlevel 1 Oct 17 14:01:08 does anyone have any idea why I can't connect to the network using mobilehotspot? Months ago it worked fine, but nowadays it all seems to start ok but I can't connect. Oct 17 14:01:19 depending on a few config vars it can even run updates in that state, keep GSM data connections and whatnot Oct 17 14:01:26 DocScrutinizer, when the device is charging, X is up Oct 17 14:01:26 no idea why Oct 17 14:01:43 i was googling for the answer for a while, but there is only so much i can stand using the internet on a phone screen Oct 17 14:01:56 Termana, Nokia, the N900 scratches more than the N97 Oct 17 14:02:11 yes thats what i meant ^ Oct 17 14:02:30 MohammadAG: I think that's heritage from N810/diablo where there was an always-on charging screen Oct 17 14:02:49 DocScrutinizer, so it might be actually runlevel 5 Oct 17 14:02:59 or that Oct 17 14:03:05 DocScrutinizer, the N900 has a charging screen, no battery indicator though Oct 17 14:03:20 the screen can be forced on by some changes to the kernel coupled with R&D mode Oct 17 14:03:35 it just shows the 5 moving dots continuously Oct 17 14:04:18 FFS Oct 17 14:06:36 damn this dodgy phone network >=( Oct 17 14:06:41 DocScrutinizer, I know, it's half baked and stupid Oct 17 14:06:52 did anyone respond to my question by any chance? Oct 17 14:07:47 wtf? Oct 17 14:07:50 Oct 20 20:49:04 Nokia-N900-02-8 maemo-launcher[1507]: invoking '/usr/bin/worldclock.launch' Oct 17 14:08:28 dashavoo: nope Oct 17 14:08:30 DocScrutinizer: OMGz Oct 17 14:08:31 any rumored change logs for pr1.3? Oct 17 14:09:08 Scelt: most centrainly it won't inclue the fix to the microb tap in problem :) Oct 17 14:09:29 There will be none! people will have to figure out what changed Oct 17 14:09:33 sivang: microb tap? Oct 17 14:09:44 DocScrutinizer: I had a feeling this what happens, I guess that it why when the battery is completely dead it goes bricked. Oct 17 14:09:57 Scelt: "None of the most popular bmo bugs will be fixed.Ever. " Oct 17 14:10:10 sivang, you mean it becomes unbootable for an unspecified amount of time Oct 17 14:10:11 RST38h: ;D Oct 17 14:10:24 normally once something is bricked, its only ever future usecase is as a brick in a wall :P Oct 17 14:10:24 lcuk: heh, yeah soemthing like that Oct 17 14:10:36 * RST38h laughs satanically and displays a pair of lightup horns Oct 17 14:10:42 sivang: err sorry? Oct 17 14:10:42 heh Oct 17 14:10:49 RST38h, :D Oct 17 14:11:12 getting ready for halloween Oct 17 14:11:17 DocScrutinizer: Well, when you get the battery *completely* drained, and you need to restore the rootfs, Oct 17 14:11:27 DocScrutinizer: you need to charge the battery esle where Oct 17 14:11:42 DocScrutinizer: since quite design errornously, it needs to boot to charge. Oct 17 14:11:55 but I had a hunch since i saw messages are getting updated Oct 17 14:12:04 can the N900 ever have Multi touch ? Oct 17 14:12:11 nope Oct 17 14:12:23 It already does Oct 17 14:12:32 MAWAHAHAHA Oct 17 14:12:44 Oct 20 20:49:04 Nokia-N900-02-8 maemo-launcher[1507]: invoking '/usr/bin/worldclock.launch' Oct 17 14:12:59 it auto opens apps to speed up the way they launch Oct 17 14:13:02 ala iPhone I think Oct 17 14:13:09 edit the .desktop file to change that Oct 17 14:13:16 Okay, so not traditional multi touch but you can do fake multi touch on it :p Oct 17 14:13:25 sivang: err, yes? known issue - though I don't agree on the part "quite design errornously," Oct 17 14:14:01 DocScrutinizer: can you please explain? I would expect charging to not rely on anything that could block getting the device back into usable state Oct 17 14:14:02 Scelt, yes, PR1.3 solves the US recession problems Oct 17 14:14:11 Change, is coming! Oct 17 14:14:16 DocScrutinizer: but then again, I'm not a hardware expert Oct 17 14:14:24 Ow like that cool Oct 17 14:14:29 DocScrutinizer: so this might be a technical constraint which is unsolveable Oct 17 14:14:32 Oh, Mohammad, REALLY? Oct 17 14:14:33 MohammadAG: wat is dat? Oct 17 14:14:48 MohammadAG: PR1.3 has been announced? Oct 17 14:14:54 sivang: bq24150 charger chip isn't perfect, but among the best you can get for the given amount of money Oct 17 14:14:55 RST38h, yes, it also bring world peace Oct 17 14:15:05 and solves poverty and famine Oct 17 14:15:21 Anything about unicorns? Oct 17 14:15:21 It will also get you laid. Oct 17 14:15:25 sivang, in all seriousness, no, but it's coming Oct 17 14:15:37 derf: nooooooooooooo... Oct 17 14:15:38 sivang: Nokia could listen to my suggestion and include a 'hold C' mode for charging, to MOLO Oct 17 14:15:43 err Nolo Oct 17 14:15:48 MohammadAG: I know it is coming, thought there was something new on that :) Oct 17 14:16:05 Doc: The first partof that sentence is guaranteed to be false. Oct 17 14:16:06 DocScrutinizer: but they didn't? maybe you can suggest this to meego? Oct 17 14:16:09 but that's not a hw design issue Oct 17 14:16:31 meego doesn't deal with bootloaders Oct 17 14:16:31 sivang NOLO doesn't have to do with maemo or meego Oct 17 14:16:32 errr Oct 17 14:16:37 maybe it does :-) Oct 17 14:16:43 no Oct 17 14:16:46 MohammadAG: as it is the boot loader? Oct 17 14:16:47 yes Oct 17 14:16:48 MeeGo chainloads using uboot Oct 17 14:16:57 ah right Oct 17 14:17:02 uBoot is a bootloader :-P Oct 17 14:17:02 does this make things better? Oct 17 14:17:14 and NOLO is? Oct 17 14:17:15 true, but it doesn't have to do with nolo Oct 17 14:17:34 NOkia LOader Oct 17 14:17:37 or something Oct 17 14:17:40 I still don't think it should need any user input, it should just play fucking dead and charge, not even try to boot. :P anyway Oct 17 14:17:53 NOLO is a bootloader as well Oct 17 14:17:57 Termana, flash a broken kernel, it'll do that Oct 17 14:18:18 but NOLO kicks brightness to 255, so it might use more power than the bq will supply Oct 17 14:18:23 MohammadAG, sure, but who else is closer to Nokia than the MeeGo N900 adaptation team :p Oct 17 14:18:26 that's why the trick they are going to use for meego is called chainloading Oct 17 14:18:30 Termana++ Oct 17 14:18:32 at least with the emergency charging stuff Oct 17 14:18:50 MohammadAG, yes that's great (and I already knew it would do that), but it doesn't help when your battery is flat Oct 17 14:19:09 and you have a reboot loop or something like that Oct 17 14:19:14 Termana, all finnish peeps :P Oct 17 14:19:16 Termana: technically act_dead is a fully booted state Oct 17 14:19:37 Termana, that's the point, flash a kernel that kernel panics Oct 17 14:19:43 DocScrutinizer, no, I mean act dead as in stay the hell off, not act_dead Oct 17 14:19:46 -> no reboot loop, it just drools there Oct 17 14:19:54 MohammadAG, you can't flash when the battery is below a certain point Oct 17 14:20:08 Termana, yes you can, use a knife on the flash Oct 17 14:20:37 MohammadAG, FLASH, I don't want SLASH it Oct 17 14:20:39 Termana: it will charge to 3.7V maximum without booting, which isn't exactly what you'd expect it to do normally when "charging" Oct 17 14:21:13 DocScrutinizer, and what's the minimum level to reflash? Oct 17 14:21:34 dunno, maybe 3.8V Oct 17 14:23:03 anyway, if it's for reflashing, then you'll need NOLO no matter what. So why not charge in NOLO (which means hardware *has* booted) rather than requiring hw to do the charging unattended Oct 17 14:23:57 or charge in uBoot for that behalf, as we can't patch NOLO that simply Oct 17 14:24:06 DocScrutinizer, your solution of using a button to put it into a charging mode in NOLO is acceptable, certainly better than it is at the moment. Oct 17 14:24:26 OTOH with uBoot you got proper dual boot in place and can as well boot to a working OS for charging Oct 17 14:24:56 I still think it's better for it to just stay off. Especially from a user point of view. Oct 17 14:25:11 Termana: nonsense Oct 17 14:25:30 DocScrutinizer, the other thing with having to press a button is that you have to sit with it while it emergency charges and quickly hit it before it starts trying to boot. Oct 17 14:25:32 from a user POV it means you got no proper charging indication Oct 17 14:25:50 all other aspects are not a bit different from user POV Oct 17 14:26:10 DocScrutinizer, sure you do. My Desire shows an orange light while it's charging, and a green light when it's done Oct 17 14:26:27 DocScrutinizer, what other output are you getting in act_dead? None Oct 17 14:26:36 Just the LED Oct 17 14:27:42 Termana: oh, you're discussing hardware mods now - the severe kind like ripping out whole charging circuit and replacing it by something different and much more expensive. Sure, you are free to do that, on your N900 :-P Oct 17 14:28:16 heh :p Oct 17 14:28:53 Termana: and how the heck are you sure about your Desire is *not* booted to do the whole charging and LED blinkenlights? Oct 17 14:29:08 DocScrutinizer, its not booted into USERSPACE. Oct 17 14:29:19 /kick Termana Oct 17 14:29:27 meh Oct 17 14:29:28 DocScrutinizer, I know this because I completely wiped the userspace on it. Oct 17 14:30:01 (and the charging mechanism continued functioning when off) Oct 17 14:35:15 Termana: don't you think that's done in Desire's bootloader, just like I suggested doing it on N900? Why do you want to ruin your N900 by stupid hw mods, and why are you arguing with me about that, stealing my time? Oct 17 14:37:58 DocScrutinizer, It is possibly done in the bootloader, but it shouldn't need to turn on and have the user press a button (which is your n900 solution), you should be able to just put it on the charger and leave it there. Secondly, I'm not doing stupid hardware mods I was comparing it to another device and as to your final question, you have nothing else to do and your in an IRC channel, so I am discussing the merits of what I feel is Oct 17 14:37:58 a design flaw by Nokia with someone that has more brain capacity than someone on t.m.o Oct 17 14:39:03 sorry I don't get this. But I feel like I'm not actually interested in getting it Oct 17 14:46:14 hello, someone knows, how to get maps in the eCoach with N800? Oct 17 14:52:23 i use google latitude better than maps Oct 17 15:13:02 * lardman considers PythonQtObjectPtrs Oct 17 15:13:44 * MohammadAG curses translating Python to C++ Oct 17 15:14:01 perhaps PythonQt would be of interest then Oct 17 15:14:10 I hate python Oct 17 15:14:18 Python scripting within C++/Qt Oct 17 15:14:25 and I'm 90% complete Oct 17 15:14:36 Python is ok, at least it's quick and doesn't require a compiler Oct 17 15:14:47 but I'm stuck at the help window Oct 17 15:14:48 and it also has lots of "libraries" available Oct 17 15:14:55 which is some ugly code imo Oct 17 15:14:57 +1 hate py Oct 17 15:15:26 * lardman wonders if implementing python plugins for mBarcode was a waste of time then! Oct 17 15:15:26 love objective-c and can see everybody -1 for it Oct 17 15:15:56 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jV7jtLY4 Oct 17 15:16:23 lardman, see how ugly that is ^? Oct 17 15:17:28 hmm, interesting approach there Oct 17 15:18:11 there must be an easier way Oct 17 15:18:21 I just want a window with Phat Slim Oct 17 15:18:24 select model Oct 17 15:18:28 then it displays page 1 Oct 17 15:18:30 with next button Oct 17 15:18:33 page 2 with next/back Oct 17 15:18:50 next and back would use the next or previous image Oct 17 15:18:50 big select{} Oct 17 15:19:02 err? Oct 17 15:19:15 but don't ask me, I just write procedural code :) Oct 17 15:19:29 lardman: sometimes these things happen slowly Oct 17 15:19:39 * pupnik is also procedural generation Oct 17 15:20:06 all in one fn, then use a variable to hold the page # and change the label contents accordingly Oct 17 15:21:54 MohammadAG: dont blame the language when the developer has been writing shitting code ;) Oct 17 15:22:08 frals, python is slow, admit it :) Oct 17 15:22:27 fMMS is the slowest app (to start at least) on my N900 Oct 17 15:22:50 on a PC, you might notice it, but on a 600MHz device with a shitty eMMC... Oct 17 15:23:03 browser is slowe when not prestarted ;-) Oct 17 15:23:07 Oooh, I've just received my first MMS, speaking of which Oct 17 15:23:24 I wondered why my phone had decided to go online for no apparent reason Oct 17 15:23:39 frals, the browser loads a whole engine ;) Oct 17 15:23:56 frals, does fMMS have a daemon of some sort? Oct 17 15:24:01 MohammadAG: that lurks in browserd afair Oct 17 15:24:04 I got an MMS notification and it wasn't running Oct 17 15:24:19 yes, the daemon is responsible for notifications etc Oct 17 15:24:27 ah Oct 17 15:24:34 ie the client doesnt have to be open :p Oct 17 15:24:53 Curious, I connected to my wifi connection, then fmms told me I'd need to change connection and afict it's just connected to it again Oct 17 15:24:53 frals, anyway, I've given up on python for large apps, eats too much memory and it's slow Oct 17 15:25:04 PSFreedom takes 12 seconds to load in Python, 4 in C++/Qt Oct 17 15:25:47 lardman: that part of the code is a tad buggy.. i blame icd2 for not doing as i tell it to ;) Oct 17 15:26:22 so I should connect to the mms connection manually? Oct 17 15:26:36 lardman: yeah, thats the foolproof way of doing it Oct 17 15:26:59 MohammadAG: 12 seconds sounds a tad excessive.. but 4 in compiled sounds bad as well imo :D Oct 17 15:27:07 hmm, doesn't like the connection Oct 17 15:27:18 perhaps that's why I've never managed to send an MMS Oct 17 15:28:33 frals, well, my N900 takes 6 mins to boot up, do the maths :P Oct 17 15:29:15 lardman: quite possibly :P Oct 17 15:30:14 one of those things I use so infrequently that I can never be bothered to track down where exactly it's failing Oct 17 15:30:16 never mind Oct 17 15:30:22 MohammadAG: fmms starts in ~5secs on my device fwiw :p Oct 17 15:30:48 lardman: if you cant connect to the mms apn manually there is no way fmms can send/receive messages :) Oct 17 15:31:29 frals 11 Oct 17 15:32:12 frals: of course, but I used to be able to connect to the Vodafone one, though no messages could pass, and now it's automatically set me up with a wap.voicestream.com (iirc) server Oct 17 15:34:29 * MohammadAG slaps Noobmonk3y with a compiled frals Oct 17 15:34:36 * Noobmonk3y giggles Oct 17 15:34:39 * Noobmonk3y waves Oct 17 15:34:40 lo alls Oct 17 15:34:45 my hands hurt :/ Oct 17 15:34:58 too much slapping? Oct 17 15:35:00 * MohammadAG curses rock band, continues playing Oct 17 15:35:01 lol!! Oct 17 15:35:04 hahaha Oct 17 15:37:24 * lardman wonders how to return a QStringList from Python Oct 17 15:37:49 by feeding it bacon Oct 17 15:38:12 no, feeding me bacon makes me look at the docs so I can write the right code ;) Oct 17 15:38:44 lol what ya doing with it? Oct 17 15:38:49 could chuck it into a list? Oct 17 15:38:56 QStringList list; Oct 17 15:39:00 list = str.split(","); Oct 17 15:39:28 am writing an mBarcode plugin which itself contains and handles all the Python plugins to be supported via PythonQt Oct 17 15:39:41 oooooooooo Oct 17 15:39:49 BACON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oct 17 15:40:01 Noobmonk3y: ";"? Oct 17 15:40:02 wtf Oct 17 15:40:07 I need to interogate each Python plugin to get things like name, description, which barcodes it wants to handle and pass them to the C++ code which handles the overall plugin arch Oct 17 15:40:24 lol kerio :P Oct 17 15:40:38 lard, that just sounds confusing :) Oct 17 15:40:53 Hangup tset: unknown terminal type xterm Oct 17 15:40:55 yeah is pretty confusing Oct 17 15:41:08 i cant change my scratchbox target Oct 17 15:41:09 wb lcuk Oct 17 15:41:17 can someone help me with that? Oct 17 15:41:23 ignore the layered plugins bit, that's just so that mBarcode doesn't require people to install python unless they want to Oct 17 15:41:28 hey Noobmonk3y \o Oct 17 15:41:40 hey lcuk Oct 17 15:41:40 hey hey ! :) Oct 17 15:41:43 Pillum, why not? run sb-menu, kill all the existing processes in current target then switch ? Oct 17 15:41:52 hiya lardman \o Oct 17 15:42:51 lcuk: Hangup \n tset: unknown terminal type xterm \n Terminal type? Oct 17 15:42:56 using Ubuntu 10.10 Oct 17 15:43:25 Pillum, huh? at what point and was it working happily before you did this? Oct 17 15:43:32 and have you tried rebooting your ubuntu :P Oct 17 15:43:38 mom :D Oct 17 15:43:54 Pillum, CTRL^C then start scratchbox again Oct 17 15:43:55 its a fresh sdk installation from yesterday Oct 17 15:43:56 I get the same Oct 17 15:43:59 didnt used it since then Oct 17 15:44:02 it'll switch targets properly Oct 17 15:44:09 k Oct 17 15:44:10 you just have to restart scratchbox Oct 17 15:44:27 lardman, are you a red or a white wine person? Oct 17 15:44:50 red for sure Oct 17 15:44:51 is there a mlt package available for n900 yet? Oct 17 15:44:59 need that for audio/video cutter Oct 17 15:45:17 Pillum, try it and see Oct 17 15:45:44 talkinf of wine... must be time for a quick glass :) Oct 17 15:45:48 talking* even Oct 17 15:46:01 anyone would think you had one already Oct 17 15:46:13 ;) Oct 17 15:46:37 hey Noobmonk3y I met frals last week and contrary to popular beileve, he does not carry a quick release trout in a scabbard Oct 17 15:46:57 omg! and yay!!! - he came to the UK, or was this the meego convention thingy? Oct 17 15:47:00 what about a pike? Oct 17 15:47:15 Noobmonk3y, helsinki meego meetup Oct 17 15:47:23 luck - if he showed you his hidden trout supply, he would then have to kill u! Oct 17 15:47:24 lardman, that would fit better I assume Oct 17 15:47:32 omg - havnt been to sinki in 10+ years! Oct 17 15:48:27 brb Oct 17 15:48:31 \o Oct 17 15:48:42 * lardman wonders if Noobmonk3y has a teleporter Oct 17 15:49:15 so lardman what goes better with chicken, red or white? Oct 17 15:50:03 white :P Oct 17 15:50:06 yeah Oct 17 15:50:18 though I'll drink red with anything Oct 17 15:50:21 unless you cook chicken + bacon, and then a fruity red :P Oct 17 15:50:36 heh Oct 17 15:50:36 doesn't it partially depend on what sauce you are having for chicken? Oct 17 15:50:42 yeah, with a strong sauce a more robust red might be applicable Oct 17 15:50:42 found out mcdonalds do a BIG BACON Oct 17 15:50:54 MORE BACON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oct 17 15:51:19 hmm Oct 17 15:51:40 my HP laptop has some accelerometer process in windows Oct 17 15:51:40 I wonder if it has an accelerometer :O Oct 17 15:51:48 * lcuk shall let hosts select fine wines to go with dinner :) Oct 17 15:52:00 lcuk: MORE BACON DAMMIT Oct 17 15:52:06 MohammadAG, dont most laptops have accelerometer nowadays? Oct 17 15:52:14 even if the tech is in the harddrive Oct 17 15:52:18 even my old x41 has one Oct 17 15:52:49 * SpeedEvil ponders putting an accel and gyro and magno in laptop. Oct 17 15:52:56 Probably silly. Oct 17 15:53:18 SpeedEvil, in a normal laptop its a bit wasteful Oct 17 15:53:23 but in a slate its more practical Oct 17 15:53:57 hmm, /sys/module/hp_accel Oct 17 15:53:57 'HP accelerometer: free fall detection working, testers wanted' - MARC LOL Oct 17 15:54:05 haha Oct 17 15:54:13 n900fly Oct 17 15:55:09 lol Oct 17 15:58:22 some days all i eat is ramen and popcorn Oct 17 15:58:25 that can't be good Oct 17 15:58:42 where is /usr/local located in the scratchbox? Oct 17 15:59:08 pupnik, some days I eat rice only Oct 17 15:59:23 as long as you both eat daily... Oct 17 15:59:36 ah got it Oct 17 15:59:50 is there a way to get the number of a SIM card, without dialing anything? Oct 17 16:00:20 no Oct 17 16:00:25 number isn't stored on sim card Oct 17 16:01:21 lcuk: yes. Oct 17 16:01:37 lcuk: It's just I'm about to be ordering the accel/gyro for the n900 Oct 17 16:01:56 lcuk: And I have schematics for my x60s, and am taking it apart anyway to fix the case. Oct 17 16:06:14 when try to run ppu-gcc i get this: bash: /usr/local/ps3dev/ppu/bin/ppu-gcc: No such file or directory Oct 17 16:06:24 it is in the path Oct 17 16:06:35 btw. im running this on scratchbox Oct 17 16:06:43 without scratchbox it runs fine Oct 17 16:07:13 changing to that dir manually doesnt help either Oct 17 16:07:49 jacekowski, yeah, I know it's assigned at the operator Oct 17 16:07:49 jacekowski, is there a way to get the number with fixed dialing active? Oct 17 16:08:03 fixed dialing? Oct 17 16:08:04 Pillum, umm, compiling the bins for PSFreedom should be done OUTSIDE scratchbox Oct 17 16:08:29 MohammadAG: just following this guide: http://psfreedom.com/wiki/Nokia_N900#Compile_using_kernel-power_.28titan.27s.29_maemo_kernel Oct 17 16:21:55 latest psfreedom compiled for power kernel if someone needs it Oct 17 16:40:32 bloody hell Nokia QT SDK takes aaaages to install! Oct 17 16:46:00 Noobmonk3y, installed in 5 minutes here Oct 17 16:46:14 meh - Oct 17 16:46:18 and I have to say it's awesome Oct 17 16:46:21 almost 1 hour 45 mins here so far, at 61% Oct 17 16:46:29 except for the madde bit where it removes any packages with the existing name Oct 17 16:46:30 ooo 63% Oct 17 16:48:14 RevdKathy, how is your Sunday going thusfar? Oct 17 16:56:05 Fun, fun: http://gizmodo.com/5665968/massive-outage-nukes-older-peek-devices Oct 17 16:56:21 And you, people, complain about N900 sending a single SMS to Nokia... Oct 17 16:56:29 you people? Oct 17 16:56:36 or you, people even... Oct 17 16:56:37 lol Oct 17 16:57:43 meh, sdk installer stuck at 63% Oct 17 17:01:40 "Downloading archive for component Madde Qt 4.6.2" - meh Oct 17 17:04:33 oo jumped 1% in 15 mins :| Oct 17 17:06:00 Noob: Accept that it doesn't like you, terminate, restart Oct 17 17:08:03 meh meh meh meh Oct 17 17:10:17 Noobmonk3y, downloading? Oct 17 17:10:22 I used the offline installer haha Oct 17 17:10:25 oh Oct 17 17:10:28 i used what it gave me Oct 17 17:11:12 ahhh, at 75% now Oct 17 17:22:14 r Oct 17 17:38:22 ~hostmode Oct 17 17:38:23 extra, extra, read all about it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 Oct 17 17:47:46 Hrm, I reflashed eMMC and rootfs the otherday and now Ovi store isn't working, anyone know why? Oct 17 17:48:00 alterego: ovi store not working, sounds like a fix to me ;) Oct 17 17:48:42 well, you'd miss couple of good apps and games Oct 17 17:49:21 Yeah, I wanna download some stuff I bought :P Oct 17 17:49:35 Some stuff I bought that I've not backed up ;) Oct 17 17:49:51 ahhhhhhhhhhhh Oct 17 17:49:56 whats the error? Oct 17 17:50:20 Takes me to the maemo ovi page Oct 17 17:50:28 Which says update the software O_o Oct 17 17:50:46 I remmeber this being a known issue with some users a while ago. Oct 17 17:51:48 hmmmm, have seen it before bu i'm a bit rusty, you need some brains like MohammadAG or lcuk to assist :) Oct 17 17:52:14 This is basically the issue: http://www.lookatbowen.com/2010/06/how-to-avoid-ovi-store-not-working-on-n900 Oct 17 17:52:20 my brain is offline this weekend Oct 17 17:53:03 94% GOOOOOOOOOOO AWWWWWWWWWWWWWN installer! Oct 17 17:53:19 Oh, hahah Oct 17 17:53:25 alterego, osso-product-info -s OSSO_VERSION="RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_MR0" Oct 17 17:53:27 I forgot I installed that ^.^ Oct 17 17:54:39 lol Oct 17 17:54:51 * Noobmonk3y knew that mo had some hidden braininess somewhere :) Oct 17 17:56:02 Seems after I installed that user agent switcher it screwed it up. Oct 17 17:56:08 Figures. :) Oct 17 17:56:19 lol Noobmonk3y Oct 17 17:56:27 it's the command I use in the SSU package Oct 17 17:56:30 so ovi doesn't break Oct 17 17:56:38 ;) Oct 17 17:56:55 Noobmonk3y, rewrite healthcheck in C++/Qt :) Oct 17 17:57:15 rewrite it in asm/qt Oct 17 17:58:01 MohammadAG: as soon as it actually installs i might get round to it! had today free! but spent most of it looking at this darn installer! Oct 17 17:58:09 lcuk, rewrite liqbase in whitespace Oct 17 17:58:18 MohammadAG: i agree, lcuk should do that Oct 17 17:58:27 Noobmonk3y, should've downloaded the offline installer lol Oct 17 17:58:28 the weird thing, he probably could lol Oct 17 17:58:33 900MBs, but it installs in 5 minutes Oct 17 17:58:39 MohammadAG: i should have got a better tinterweb connection Oct 17 17:59:03 it might be bad, but mine isn't better lol Oct 17 17:59:13 I finally found a freenode server that doesn't lag Oct 17 17:59:22 lol! Oct 17 18:02:44 MohammadAG, Noobmonk3y - whitespace is a tricky language, but I can write native brainf*ck and transliterate into whitespace code if you like Oct 17 18:03:08 hahaha :P :) Oct 17 18:03:26 lcuk, fine by me, I'll shit bricks when I see the binary Oct 17 18:03:45 w0000p 96%! Oct 17 18:03:47 braincopter is way better Oct 17 18:04:03 brainf*ck is fairly logical, afaik its turing complete too Oct 17 18:04:17 malbolge is turing complete too, it doesn't mean it's a good idea to use it Oct 17 18:04:34 reasonable Oct 17 18:04:35 piet is also turing complete. Oct 17 18:04:56 but seeing as if github thinks liqbase playground is already written in visual basic, I don't suppose brainf*ck is much more difficult :P Oct 17 18:05:08 braincopter is better than piet Oct 17 18:05:15 Piet and liqbase would seem to go together. Oct 17 18:05:20 * lcuk should get his visual basic -> liq* generating qt projects someday Oct 17 18:05:40 i know of a guy working on a c2bf converter Oct 17 18:05:41 SpeedEvil, :D Oct 17 18:05:48 kerio, thats easy Oct 17 18:05:52 try perl2bf Oct 17 18:06:21 kerio -> for c, get gcc to generate asm, then generate bf direct from the asm Oct 17 18:06:34 lcuk: pypy to c to asm to bf! Oct 17 18:06:47 now we are talking! Oct 17 18:06:51 * Noobmonk3y actually did some assembly language last week and was proud i remembered it :) Oct 17 18:06:54 * MohammadAG loves it when this channel goes off topic Oct 17 18:07:05 MohammadAG: there is a topic? shit! Oct 17 18:07:06 doesn't happen a lot in #ubuntu :P Oct 17 18:07:07 * SpeedEvil has been on-an-off coding a bitsliced GPS correlator. Oct 17 18:07:17 Bitslicing is fun. Oct 17 18:07:25 Noobmonk3y, I'm not complaining Oct 17 18:07:29 yayyyyyyyyyyyy installinginging! Oct 17 18:07:46 * MohammadAG also loves how some people haven't left the community Oct 17 18:07:56 momentum back in december was better Oct 17 18:07:57 * Noobmonk3y is still here, most of the time! :P Oct 17 18:08:23 i'm still gonna try a healthcheck version that works on the n8, n900 etc Oct 17 18:08:27 I remember when I used to see lots of [Announce] threads Oct 17 18:08:32 just need other phones to test it on :P Oct 17 18:08:36 Noobmonk3y, impossible imo Oct 17 18:08:50 lol MohammadAG nothing is impossible, except world peace :P Oct 17 18:08:50 Symbian doesn't use /sys Oct 17 18:08:55 or /proc Oct 17 18:09:06 world peace is possible, just nuke all 7 continents Oct 17 18:09:18 the penguins will revolt! Oct 17 18:09:20 ATLANTIS PREVAILS! Oct 17 18:09:32 MohammadAG, [announce] threads come and advance as they do and people hack and work on stuff in fits and spurts Oct 17 18:09:35 penguins with frikkin lasers v atlantians... cool! Oct 17 18:09:41 i still haven't tried pypy btw :< Oct 17 18:09:45 lcuk: more fits than spurts Oct 17 18:09:52 Noobmonk3y, :) Oct 17 18:10:03 its like buses Oct 17 18:10:05 hehe, RevdKathy - keeping v quiet :P Oct 17 18:10:08 lcuk, true, I just enjoyed it more when others were there to help Oct 17 18:10:11 \o/ Oct 17 18:10:15 you wait a couple of weeks for an announce thread and you get 3 together at once :P Oct 17 18:10:25 lcuk: better then taxi's - 30 come every 2 minutes and 29 try to rip you off :p Oct 17 18:10:28 qwerty12 was a huge loss tbh :( Oct 17 18:10:30 Didn't think anyone had noticed I was here! Oct 17 18:10:37 hmmm, i agree MohammadAG , Oct 17 18:10:44 RevdKathy: how could we not notice? :) Oct 17 18:10:45 * lcuk noticed Oct 17 18:10:46 heya RevdKathy Oct 17 18:10:49 I'm going to become nokia certified trainer \o/ Oct 17 18:10:53 i even spoke to you Oct 17 18:10:56 * MohammadAG too Oct 17 18:10:58 lcuk actually said hi to you earlier ;) Oct 17 18:11:04 lol Oct 17 18:11:05 * Noobmonk3y needs a new job Oct 17 18:11:08 anyone got any jobs going? Oct 17 18:11:10 Jartza, :D nice Oct 17 18:11:12 You did? Not in red - I'd have noticed! Oct 17 18:11:18 RevdKathy: lol... Oct 17 18:11:21 RevdKathy: o/ Oct 17 18:11:27 * MohammadAG pries off Noobmonk3y's X button Oct 17 18:11:33 LOL brains slowly atrophying, I think Oct 17 18:11:38 just in case the missus is talking to you while you're IRCing Oct 17 18:11:44 Evening one and all properly, then. Oct 17 18:11:47 hahaha Oct 17 18:11:53 MohammadAG: she's back in 30 mins Oct 17 18:11:56 it doesn't change that much, except I can finally use something as a reference Oct 17 18:11:59 :D Oct 17 18:12:22 * MohammadAG puts Noobmonk3y's X button back where it belongs Oct 17 18:12:22 RevdKathy, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-17.log.html#t2010-10-17T19:45:21 Oct 17 18:12:26 all the other commitments or tasks are under NDA, so can't tell :D Oct 17 18:12:27 next to the M button Oct 17 18:12:43 Jartza, whizbang Oct 17 18:13:55 customers give me the funny eye always when I tell them that I'm competent but can't really show it because of NDA :) Oct 17 18:14:14 Jartza, you are telling them wrong Oct 17 18:14:35 "I can offer oyu a brief overview of my work, but unfortunately I must remove your eyeballs after" Oct 17 18:14:37 Ah you may have spoken to me when my n900 accidentally signed me in and I hadn't noticed? Oct 17 18:14:50 idk Oct 17 18:14:52 lcuk: :) Oct 17 18:15:19 Jartza, you could offer other alternatives for people who wish to remove specific pieces of bodywork Oct 17 18:15:50 luke was talking about the extra weight his front brakes on his bmx added, so he removed them Oct 17 18:15:52 hmm. there's an idea Oct 17 18:16:05 following this through to its natural conclusion, he will be doing stunts on a unicycle soon Oct 17 18:16:23 I can tell you. it only costs a tongue. Oct 17 18:16:43 tongues are important Oct 17 18:16:58 so are brakes? :) Oct 17 18:17:16 wheels are unimportant Oct 17 18:17:17 * RevdKathy remembers reading"The Little Mermaid" as a child and being terrified Oct 17 18:17:26 they are in you head Oct 17 18:17:30 he launches himself over big ramps and quarterpipes, I think the brakes just give him a way to bail out! Oct 17 18:18:48 anyone else got airodump-ng on the n900 running, and has the problem that channel hopping doesnt work ? it always sticks to channel 1 Oct 17 18:20:35 you can't get it to work on the stock kernel Oct 17 18:21:26 well it works for channel 1 Oct 17 18:22:00 monitor mode needs kernel-power Oct 17 18:22:06 injection needs neopwn's kernels Oct 17 18:22:07 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, would you happen to know why when I run petrovich from cli it gives this error ? Oct 17 18:22:08 <_trine> http://dpaste.com/259293/ Oct 17 18:22:27 i dont want injection, i just want the promisc mode Oct 17 18:23:14 for all channels not just for ch1 Oct 17 18:23:51 pppplllläääääääähhh. Oct 17 18:31:17 _trine: no idea. But aiui petrovich is obsolete as HFM has obex sharing over BT now Oct 17 18:32:35 f0rkb0mb: The monitor patch applied to the wireless module, compiled for the stock kernel; http://www.mediafire.com/?ydy49ndggnty846 Oct 17 18:33:21 thank, will have a look Oct 17 18:33:47 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, can you be more explicit because I dont know what HFM is but I could guess Hildon file something Oct 17 18:34:19 hildon file manager Oct 17 18:34:27 aka File Manager Oct 17 18:34:30 <_trine> where is that on the n900 Oct 17 18:34:33 <_trine> ah Oct 17 18:34:41 <_trine> you answered Oct 17 18:35:25 * MohammadAG prefers filebox Oct 17 18:35:31 <_trine> I have seen HFM but to be honest it looks very messy Oct 17 18:35:34 hildon-fm lags a lot Oct 17 18:35:50 <_trine> I have filebox and that is much better Oct 17 18:36:07 <_trine> but petrovich was nice in its simplicity Oct 17 18:36:24 f0rkb0mb: Backup the wl12xx.ko kernel module, copy the new, run depmod -ae and reboot it. Conky should then display the connection rate correctly. Oct 17 18:36:40 and monitor should worl Oct 17 18:37:16 n910? Oct 17 18:37:19 <_trine> has neopwn not gone public yet Oct 17 18:37:38 kk Oct 17 18:38:22 <_trine> MohammadAG, do you know if neopwn has gone public like they promised ? Oct 17 18:38:40 I would be interested, what changes have been made for the neopwn kernel. Oct 17 18:39:58 <_trine> tobis87, it was just the wifi drivers as far as I know that were needed Oct 17 18:40:11 Because loading the hacked neopwn modules (vermagic modified and __versions striped) into the stock kernel forces a reboot. Oct 17 18:40:13 <_trine> although there was a modified kernel Oct 17 18:40:59 <_trine> but the modified kernel was not part of neopwn Oct 17 18:41:06 _trine, no, he didn't Oct 17 18:41:31 the modified kernel is all that's needed Oct 17 18:41:46 <_trine> MohammadAG, I dont understand how he can get away with that Oct 17 18:42:09 _trine, ping swc|666 when he's here Oct 17 18:42:14 ~seen swc|666 Oct 17 18:42:14 <_trine> will the injection work without the new drivers Oct 17 18:42:27 swc|666 <~neopwn@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 16d 9h 41m 35s ago, saying: 'chmod -x $(which banshee) .. j/k'. Oct 17 18:42:40 <_trine> MohammadAG, where does he fit into this ? Oct 17 18:43:41 <_trine> I'm absolutly surprised there has not been a torrent for it Oct 17 18:43:52 * MohammadAG strips infobot's reply Oct 17 18:43:57 swc|666 <~neopwn@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821> Oct 17 18:44:00 swc|666 <~neopwn Oct 17 18:44:00 * Noobmonk3y blinks Oct 17 18:44:25 <_trine> well he should be asked why its not public AS PROMISED Oct 17 18:45:21 Is it possible to build Qt apps on the device (n900)? Oct 17 18:45:50 I'm away from pc, but have the sources and would like to compile it and try it out. Oct 17 18:46:13 Installing libqt4-dev and then running qmake project.pro gives error: Oct 17 18:46:59 "I think shyness is a myth, ppl dont drink to be less shy around girls, they drink because sober they know better than to get involved with them." -kermit Oct 17 18:47:10 D-Iivil, no gcc Oct 17 18:47:11 /usr/bin/qmake: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected Oct 17 18:47:17 I could use the drivers with injection, but only if I also flash a kernel which was modified and I don't know what was changed. I also don't have the kernel headers for this kernel. Therefore I stay with the monitor "only" patched driver and wait until it has been reverse engineered, if ever. Oct 17 18:48:20 <_trine> perhaps in the interests of justice it should be pirated Oct 17 18:48:22 MohammadAG, no gcc? Like no go? Oct 17 18:48:37 gcc = compiler Oct 17 18:48:44 libqt4-dev = headers Oct 17 18:48:50 you need both Oct 17 18:48:51 Hi Oct 17 18:49:18 lcuk, got gcc on his N900, but it takes a huge space in / Oct 17 18:50:13 ok. Thanks for clearing that out :) Oct 17 18:50:44 So there's no relatively easy way to compile qt apps on device? Oct 17 18:51:04 * D-Iivil is sick of remote desktopping to pc over gsm... Oct 17 18:51:15 yes MohammadAG Oct 17 18:51:52 build-essential should be run through and optified, but the sdk components are not geared for on device so theres no official reason to request the change Oct 17 18:52:03 it would be nice too though :) Oct 17 18:53:09 D-Iivil, other than a chroot, no Oct 17 18:53:14 How about installing the whole scratchbox to device? Oct 17 18:53:16 lcuk, agreed Oct 17 18:53:32 chroot Oct 17 18:53:40 I mean if it's possible to run easy debian... Oct 17 18:53:57 scratchbox is a cross compiler, when compiling on the N900 you're natively compiling it Oct 17 18:54:11 MohammadAG, give me something to google for please :) Oct 17 18:54:15 qole got an image Oct 17 18:54:34 MohammadAG, chroot gives way too many hits :P Oct 17 18:55:15 D-Iivil, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=786521&postcount=3 Oct 17 18:56:18 MohammadAG, thx! Oct 17 19:03:57 * D-Iivil has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) Oct 17 19:04:03 he probably started extracting the image lol Oct 17 19:04:11 * MohammadAG watches as dd rapes his N900 Oct 17 19:04:20 it's not responding to anything Oct 17 19:05:01 MohammadAG: yeah that's not the friendliest command to use Oct 17 19:05:21 pupnik, I know, I was just too lazy to enable mass storage Oct 17 19:05:26 try various block-sizes Oct 17 19:05:36 i never got around to benchmarking that Oct 17 19:05:46 dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/user/MyDocs/maemo-sdk-v1_2.img.ext2 count=2097152 Oct 17 19:05:49 i also suspect maybe there's a lower level prefetch Oct 17 19:05:56 bs=.... Oct 17 19:06:15 I wonder what the load is Oct 17 19:06:22 but i think the system slowdown comes from something at kernel level Oct 17 19:06:30 not responding to ssh Oct 17 19:06:33 right Oct 17 19:06:43 Load average: 14.20 10.61 5. Oct 17 19:07:44 maybe someone smart knows more Oct 17 19:08:40 It's IO contention Oct 17 19:08:43 the mmc doesn't multitask Oct 17 19:08:54 And the kernel is trying to make it do that Oct 17 19:09:28 ShadowJK, so it's a kernel bug Oct 17 19:11:23 ty ShadowJK Oct 17 19:12:18 something that can probably be fixed Oct 17 19:15:45 It's more of a missing feature thing Oct 17 19:16:12 But a workaround is to set swappiness to 1 before doing any heavy IO Oct 17 19:16:57 too late I guess Oct 17 19:21:26 aha! Oct 17 19:23:21 hey, anyone here can open the player on thedailyshow.com? Oct 17 19:32:24 whats with the recent strange entries on planet maemo? Oct 17 19:33:57 * MohammadAG pings Jaffa Oct 17 19:34:12 who is roger sperberg? Oct 17 19:35:46 MohammadAG, I got the chrooted sdk running fine and installing Nokia binaries atm. Just one question; how can I copy my stuff located under MyDocs to chrooted sdk for compiling? Oct 17 19:36:09 mount it and use cp :P Oct 17 19:36:38 MohammadAG, mount which and from where? :) I know I have to mount, but what and how? Oct 17 19:36:55 where did you mount it to install nokia-binaries Oct 17 19:37:09 "/sdk Oct 17 19:37:29 qchroot image /sdk Oct 17 19:38:45 If that's what you asked... Oct 17 19:43:39 MohammadAG: QT Designer error on run? - hmod: /usr/local/bin/Healthcheck: No such file or directory Oct 17 19:43:41 meh Oct 17 19:44:15 Noobmonk3y, so I guess that means you need to refine the tests :P Oct 17 19:47:26 lol trying to run something on my device, i think:P Oct 17 19:47:51 it can communicate with the n900 - but assuming not copying the files Oct 17 19:50:04 install madde on your device Oct 17 19:50:22 have done Oct 17 19:50:40 but using root to install, when i try the developer user + generated password it doesnt connect Oct 17 19:51:43 I'm guessing your program is called Healthcheck? Oct 17 19:53:53 Saying Goodnight folks. Oct 17 19:54:02 Lcuk - I'll email in the morning Oct 17 19:54:08 Night all! Oct 17 19:55:39 hehe yeah alterego Oct 17 19:55:47 just gonna try and redesign it Oct 17 19:55:52 using qt designer Oct 17 19:55:53 Have you checked it's there? Oct 17 19:55:56 the current one is pyqt Oct 17 19:55:59 Under /usr/local/bin ? Oct 17 19:56:01 well, nope it isnt :p Oct 17 19:56:07 i assumed it would copy it Oct 17 19:56:13 Okay, so it's not on run, it's on deploy. Oct 17 19:56:24 Deploy is done with dpkg at the moment. Oct 17 19:56:30 sorry my first time using qt designer Oct 17 19:56:36 oh, so cant do it in qt deisgner? Oct 17 19:56:48 designer? Oct 17 19:56:50 I think the problem is the fact you can't get it to work with the developer user account Oct 17 19:57:06 will try again Oct 17 19:57:25 Because sudo dpkg as root doesn't work, I'm guessing. Oct 17 19:58:00 What you wanna do is get it to work using mad-developer on the device and integrated with Qt Creator, then deploy an SSH key and you shouldn't have the authentication problem again. Oct 17 19:59:05 ahhhhhh it makes sense in a foreign kinda way lol! Oct 17 19:59:11 :) Oct 17 19:59:35 so i need to figure out how to get the ssh key bit across first i assume? Oct 17 19:59:48 Well, Qt Creator has a deploy ssh key feature Oct 17 19:59:56 But you need to get it to work with a password first. Oct 17 20:00:22 You can however do it manually yourself. Oct 17 20:00:27 don't use Qt Designer alone Oct 17 20:00:37 use it inside Qt Creator Oct 17 20:00:47 i'm in qtcreator Oct 17 20:00:50 MohammadAG: I don't think he is, I think he's just confused. Oct 17 20:00:54 yup Oct 17 20:00:57 * Noobmonk3y = confused Oct 17 20:01:04 :) Oct 17 20:01:25 Would you like me to walk you through setting up an N900 with Qt Creator? Oct 17 20:01:47 awww you are great if you have a spare few mins that would be cool! :) Oct 17 20:02:09 got mad developer running on the n900 - so done the basics i think Oct 17 20:02:20 Okay, start Qt Creator then Oct 17 20:02:25 done! Oct 17 20:02:34 Are you running on Windows btw? Oct 17 20:02:38 win 7 Oct 17 20:02:44 Oh, hrm .. Oct 17 20:02:47 hehe Oct 17 20:02:53 * Noobmonk3y = pain in the ass Oct 17 20:03:07 This should all still work the same, I would have thought, but I've not used Win 7 + maemo Oct 17 20:03:11 Do you have putty? Oct 17 20:03:15 cool! - well this may be a first Oct 17 20:03:29 nope but i can do, i have winscp Oct 17 20:03:40 Well, that'll do actually ;) Oct 17 20:04:19 (and it connects!) lol Oct 17 20:05:32 I want you to try connecting to the N900 via usb networking using the developer user account and the password it says in mad-developer Oct 17 20:05:56 Or are you using wifi or something? Oct 17 20:05:57 oh, usb? pooooooo! Oct 17 20:06:01 using wifi :P Oct 17 20:06:08 Okay, using wifi then :) Oct 17 20:06:08 it connects fine though :) Oct 17 20:06:15 will try the madde one though Oct 17 20:06:16 2 secs Oct 17 20:07:36 yup connects fine Oct 17 20:07:56 Okay, in Qt Creator, go Tools->Options->Projects->Maemo Device Configurations Oct 17 20:08:02 done Oct 17 20:08:22 got one pre-setup (as much as i can) Oct 17 20:08:36 So you've entered the correct IP address? Oct 17 20:08:40 yup Oct 17 20:08:44 And username and password? Oct 17 20:08:46 just double checked Oct 17 20:08:54 Okay, click Test then Oct 17 20:09:04 yup Oct 17 20:09:12 ooooooooo Oct 17 20:09:14 What does it say? Oct 17 20:09:16 working now! Oct 17 20:09:18 how random! Oct 17 20:09:26 test works Oct 17 20:09:52 Okay, well close mad-developer Oct 17 20:09:59 done Oct 17 20:09:59 You shouldn't need to run that any more Oct 17 20:10:04 cool! Oct 17 20:10:08 And everything else should be working fine now Oct 17 20:10:29 As you're using windows, don't bother setting up a key because I don't know how that works under windows. Oct 17 20:10:34 hmmmm - when you close madde developer though it looses the password Oct 17 20:10:45 Ah Oct 17 20:10:55 so i have to use a key? Oct 17 20:10:56 Okay, close mad-developer Oct 17 20:11:00 done Oct 17 20:11:09 and as root on the N900 type: passwd developer Oct 17 20:11:15 And enter in that password again. Oct 17 20:11:15 oo clever! Oct 17 20:12:09 Cool thats done Oct 17 20:12:12 although.......... Oct 17 20:12:14 Anyhow, provided you dont run mad-developer again that should all stay persistant. Oct 17 20:12:30 i'm assuming 'run' doesnt just work, as it keeps saying cant connect Oct 17 20:12:33 yet test works fine Oct 17 20:12:40 Hrm .. Oct 17 20:13:15 oooo Oct 17 20:13:16 maybe not Oct 17 20:13:21 ;) Oct 17 20:13:22 (Reading database ... Finished running remote process. Oct 17 20:13:27 but nothing on the deviec :P Oct 17 20:13:30 device* Oct 17 20:13:39 Give it a bit Oct 17 20:13:44 lol Oct 17 20:13:54 Can take some time, that's it using dpkg Oct 17 20:14:07 okey dokey! Oct 17 20:14:16 Well, shouldn't take this long. Oct 17 20:14:16 processor doesnt look to be doing much, will try again Oct 17 20:14:27 Try killing that and doing it agagin Oct 17 20:14:28 chmod: /usr/local/bin/Healthcheck: No such file or directory Oct 17 20:14:32 :p Oct 17 20:14:44 Interesting Oct 17 20:15:03 sorry missed that b4, but thats the error Oct 17 20:15:07 fail xD Oct 17 20:15:10 but just checked test, working fine Oct 17 20:15:13 what did it install then Oct 17 20:15:16 MohammadAG: .... yup :( Oct 17 20:15:21 MohammadAG: boobies Oct 17 20:15:35 nice Oct 17 20:15:42 Yeah would like to see that deb Oct 17 20:15:47 :P Oct 17 20:15:51 boobies_0.0.1.deb Oct 17 20:15:58 What does this app actually do? Is it just a "hello, world" type thing right now? Oct 17 20:16:44 alterego: pretty much, just the windows with no major code Oct 17 20:16:58 8008135.deb you mean? Oct 17 20:17:27 I think that's how it names shit Oct 17 20:17:48 lol Oct 17 20:17:54 Well, I've got to run now, if you catch me or Venemo tomorrow one of us can help you Oct 17 20:18:10 I'd recommend having a look at the contents of the generated .deb file. Oct 17 20:18:21 darn it Oct 17 20:18:22 It'll be in your project-build directory and on the device in /home/developer Oct 17 20:18:23 sounds geeky Oct 17 20:18:25 umm, wtf happened to planet maemo? Oct 17 20:18:31 thank you alterego :) Oct 17 20:18:34 very appreciated :) Oct 17 20:18:43 * MohammadAG pings GeneralAntilles / GAN900 and Jaffa Oct 17 20:18:49 evil|Jonne: working fine for me. Oct 17 20:18:51 * Noobmonk3y pongs MohammadAG Oct 17 20:19:11 seems like some blog got added that doesn't really add any useful content Oct 17 20:19:12 alterego, i think it's getting spammed Oct 17 20:19:29 Oh, I see Oct 17 20:19:57 can someone take a macro pic of the N900's top with the battery removed? Oct 17 20:19:59 please? Oct 17 20:20:16 alterego: i know the problem! Oct 17 20:20:19 if n900guide.com doesn't get removed i'll just unsubscribe Oct 17 20:20:20 dpkg - warning: downgrading healthcheck from 1.2.1-3 to 0.0.1. Oct 17 20:20:24 Noobmonk3y: ? Oct 17 20:20:28 Oh, hahah Oct 17 20:20:34 That might be it. Oct 17 20:20:34 my app is the current version! Oct 17 20:20:36 lol Oct 17 20:20:44 maybe change the name? lol! or uninstall hc? Oct 17 20:20:46 bbl Oct 17 20:20:56 cheers Oct 17 20:20:58 Yeah, change the name until you've got something you want. Oct 17 20:21:00 Noobmonk3y, should downgrade Oct 17 20:21:07 should bu tdoesnt Oct 17 20:21:20 it downgraded here Oct 17 20:22:01 MohammadAG: - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOHAUvbuV4o Oct 17 20:22:22 its genius when adverts are better than tv! Oct 17 20:25:25 ARGH Oct 17 20:25:28 flash player crashed Oct 17 20:25:31 * MohammadAG loads again Oct 17 20:25:31 lol! Oct 17 20:26:18 lol Noobmonk3y Oct 17 20:26:47 :) :) Oct 17 20:26:49 * Noobmonk3y likes Oct 17 20:27:06 no offense, but the gal's english accent doesn't fit in rap :P Oct 17 20:27:36 not at all - but neitehr do the others! Oct 17 20:27:46 LOL @ owl Oct 17 20:28:13 english accents in rap don't sound proper :P Oct 17 20:28:28 the rest are cool Oct 17 20:28:47 but the ad is epic xD Oct 17 20:28:47 MohammadAG: west country doesnt sound right normally lol Oct 17 20:29:00 i think the idea is to not sound cool + but be cool randomly! Oct 17 20:29:26 Noobmonk3y, check PM :P Oct 17 20:29:31 Starting remote application. Oct 17 20:29:31 Selecting previously deselected package healthcheck. Oct 17 20:29:31 (Reading database ... Finished running remote process. Oct 17 20:54:34 MohammadAG: pong Oct 17 20:55:10 Jaffa, a lot of people have been complaining about Planet Maemo Oct 17 20:55:42 hi all ! Oct 17 20:55:50 MohammadAG: "A lot"? Oct 17 20:55:53 anyone any ideas about usb host mode on the Nokia N900 ? Oct 17 20:56:00 MohammadAG: Presumably because of old posts showing up in RogerS' feed? Oct 17 20:56:02 anyone here have experience using the n900's IR port? Oct 17 20:56:09 i have a remote - DVR combo which isn't working Oct 17 20:56:23 i'm wondering if it's possible to try to send commands to my DVR w/ an n900 Oct 17 20:56:32 Jaffa, yes Oct 17 20:57:10 anyone ? Oct 17 20:57:35 MohammadAG: Seems to have stopped. Send him a polite email and vote them down. Latter's already been done, I see. Oct 17 20:57:35 cheesecake? Oct 17 20:58:02 Myrtti: to me ? Oct 17 20:58:34 to everyone, I'm feeling somewhat indifferent right now Oct 17 20:58:39 Jaffa, I'm not subscribed to planet maemo, I just pinged you cause two users complained here Oct 17 20:58:47 timeless_mbp try irreco Oct 17 20:58:55 MohammadAG: OK, ta. Oct 17 20:59:02 ok nm Oct 17 20:59:14 I do see this: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host Oct 17 20:59:21 anyone any ideas ? Oct 17 20:59:25 or experience ? Oct 17 20:59:43 that just threw me off to Old Spice -mode Oct 17 20:59:45 MohammadAG: TBH, I'm not bothered; it's not like the feed is overflowing with stuff - and a lot of people would say it's the raw feed and you're "supposed" to subscribe to /news/ instead. Oct 17 21:00:07 "see this, this is diamonds on my hand, see again, now they've turned into that phone you love" Oct 17 21:00:38 MohammadAG: But thanks for the headsup Oct 17 21:01:24 * Jaffa is not well inclined towards people complaining due to someone arguing about a sponsorship decision for the conference, saying "my karma's not being calculated properly due to a known bug" and then points at something been RESOLVED FIXED for months. Oct 17 21:01:29 So I'm going to bed :-) Oct 17 21:03:29 gimme karma! Oct 17 21:06:39 does anyone know how to make the camera have a timer? Oct 17 21:15:48 someone did plug any USB device on its nokia ? Oct 17 21:16:16 help Oct 17 21:38:43 ~karma corsac Oct 17 21:38:44 corsac has karma of 1 Oct 17 21:39:21 kpoman: ~hostmode Oct 17 21:39:58 ~hostmode Oct 17 21:39:58 i guess hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 Oct 17 21:54:17 I wonder what Nokia's plans are for updating Qt on the N8 et al Symbian devices. Oct 17 22:01:06 Can't wait for Qt 4.7 in PR1.3 .. Oct 17 22:01:16 Gonna make writting little apps so much more fun :D Oct 17 22:01:37 Anyhow, bed time, g'night folks. Oct 17 22:15:07 f0rkb0mb: how would i use it? Oct 17 22:26:05 timeless_mbp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HblSL0hG6Wg Oct 17 22:27:51 dont expect a huge range, i need to stand 2m in front of my tv, which makes it totally useless for me Oct 17 22:28:27 why is "Sent" in each account showing the same message I sent from one account? Oct 17 22:37:15 f0rkb0mb: as long as i don't need to teach it Oct 17 22:37:27 because i don't think my original remote works Oct 17 22:45:29 timeless_mbp: there's a lirc controller def for almost every IT reco chip available Oct 17 22:47:36 timeless_mbp: I found most predefined IRrecos rather 'test' though - so I decided to create an ow test :-) may be you like to base your own design on some ideas in there Oct 17 22:48:11 look for TV LG jr*_1/2 Oct 17 22:48:35 where would i find DVR in the list? Oct 17 22:48:57 no idea Oct 17 22:54:40 maybe DVD? Oct 17 22:54:58 or your appliances brand Oct 17 22:56:30 ah the fun or IR transmitters Oct 17 22:57:11 can N900 gfx run in palletted mode? :) 8 or more bit CLUT? :D Oct 17 23:01:39 timeless_mbp: check yesterday's chanlog for how to tune lirc IR carrier frequency in (grepstring:) lircd.conf rsp included file Oct 17 23:03:19 alas this didn't change my experience with N900 CIR, just like said above: range = ~2m to TV Oct 17 23:03:37 maybe 3 with good aiming and luck Oct 17 23:04:28 yo Oct 17 23:04:40 seems there's actually something fishy with the IR LED plus associated hardware Oct 17 23:06:47 pants. Oct 17 23:06:57 signal noise or underpowered? Oct 17 23:08:16 underpowered, poor on/off ratio, maybe instable carrier freq (had to scrutinize the rx51-lirc.ko source - or whateverthename) Oct 17 23:08:57 wrong IR wavelength, poor design of aperture glass, who knows Oct 17 23:09:22 I think I need to hold it 3 metres away from the edge of the atmosphere to get a GPS fix in a useful time Oct 17 23:09:27 :( Oct 17 23:10:16 lol Oct 17 23:11:32 you got a sim with valid registration, booked in to carrier? plus some connectivity to the internets? enabled assisted mode? Oct 17 23:11:45 should be less than 20s then for TTFF Oct 17 23:12:04 as long as you're not indoors Oct 17 23:12:48 keep in mind most apps give up and stop GPS if no fix after 60s Oct 17 23:13:14 I can get a fix in mere seconds. Oct 17 23:13:22 I must live in some sort of N900 paradise Oct 17 23:13:27 think I had all of those things, there were quite a few tall buildings but not that many (Bristol) Oct 17 23:13:55 I had a fix inside by the time google maps was done loading (over wifi) Oct 17 23:14:13 for proper tests you'll want to use location test app Oct 17 23:14:19 granted it can be up to 30 seconds in other situations, and without cell service it tends to just give up Oct 17 23:14:28 maybe it was ovi maps, but the GPS icon was flashing while it said looking for gps so thought it was looking Oct 17 23:15:00 I have the same problem in London too Oct 17 23:15:08 that's a lie Oct 17 23:15:26 it says it's looking for GPS but in fact gave up Oct 17 23:15:42 use Location Test Oct 17 23:15:49 damn you ovi maps, fair enough then :) Oct 17 23:16:00 it doesn't give up, and yields proper info what's going on Oct 17 23:16:39 never give up Oct 17 23:16:44 trust your instincts Oct 17 23:17:27 gpsjini recently annoyed me Oct 17 23:17:31 ok, irreco works Oct 17 23:17:39 \o/ Oct 17 23:17:41 i have a minimal remote with most of the buttons i need Oct 17 23:17:45 terrible range Oct 17 23:17:49 yep Oct 17 23:17:54 but better than nothing Oct 17 23:18:08 sometimes, sometimes Oct 17 23:19:56 it needs support for portrait mode. Oct 17 23:20:47 standingatthemachineverydayforallmylifeimusedtodoitandineedititstheonlythingiwantitsjustaRUSH RUSH RUSH Oct 17 23:20:57 sometimes - sometimes Oct 17 23:22:31 * johnx just has horrible luck with set-top boxes, let alone their remotes Oct 17 23:22:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lF262d38Vo&list=QL&feature=BF Oct 17 23:26:45 johnx: right Oct 17 23:26:53 i want someone to help me find a DVR that doesn't *SUCK* Oct 17 23:27:06 nah, the 1983 version is definitely better Oct 17 23:27:14 curse remixes Oct 17 23:27:25 * SpeedEvil ponders. Oct 17 23:27:37 * johnx agrees with DocScrutinizer. timeless_mbp, just get a VCR Oct 17 23:27:56 BetaMax? Oct 17 23:28:12 the 1988 VCR from the US was smarter than the DVRs available here in .FI Oct 17 23:28:35 YEAH!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKx36PZdzwg&feature=related Oct 17 23:28:41 (vcrs can record a program 5 days a week...) Oct 17 23:28:54 hmm Oct 17 23:28:59 and a 1991 or so VCR supported program code recording Oct 17 23:29:28 whereas the insane DVRs here can't deal w/ stupid 5-45 minute shifts in programming Oct 17 23:29:35 timeless: myth? Oct 17 23:29:38 even though they *know* the name of the programs Oct 17 23:29:45 SpeedEvil: i don't want to pay 1000EUR Oct 17 23:29:55 find me a solution that's <250EUR Oct 17 23:30:02 i have a G5 power mac Oct 17 23:30:05 cancel your cable, buy a google tv Oct 17 23:30:12 and a 1998 era pc (and a 1999 era pc) Oct 17 23:30:31 johnx: how does that work? Oct 17 23:30:47 dunno. I need you to buy one and tell me Oct 17 23:30:59 I guess you buy or rent DRMed stuff from amazon and netflix Oct 17 23:31:26 things that aren't a solution: anything from seagate Oct 17 23:31:53 i want to watch: Grey's Anatomy, Dexter, House, Numb3rs, ... Oct 17 23:35:01 new episodes or old ones? Oct 17 23:36:22 WESTBAM, hmmm... Oct 17 23:41:41 timeless_mbp, get an appleTV. I'm curious if it doesn't suck anyways, so make sure you review it Oct 17 23:42:36 johnx: on most series i'm about 1 1/2 seasons behind Oct 17 23:42:45 because finland is at least 1 season behind Oct 17 23:43:05 i do not want to have to pay for each series Oct 17 23:43:24 I started making a spreadsheet at one point, but I gave up on the DVR idea and I'm thinking I'll just pay up to 'the man' on a per show basis Oct 17 23:43:25 and i'm not really willing to pay much more than 0.10 USD per episode Oct 17 23:43:32 you guys might like this: Oct 17 23:43:34 Flexible computer credit card with software-rewriteable strip and led indicators + display ..... ..... ..... http://173.192.209.77/videos43ll/78f81d327fe3c0b235e97d41ec8a0c65_card.flv.mp4 Oct 17 23:43:36 do you get cable? Oct 17 23:43:45 johnx: yes Oct 17 23:43:53 and how much does it cost per month? Oct 17 23:43:55 the problem is that my DVR and its Remote are flaky Oct 17 23:44:15 johnx: apparently very little Oct 17 23:44:32 it's not much of a "plan", it's some sort of "slightly more than aerial" Oct 17 23:44:41 so you actually watch enough TV that you end up paying 10c an episode? Oct 17 23:44:59 and how much time do you spend hacking up your DVR to work? how much is your time worth? Oct 17 23:45:05 when i complained that my DVR was breaking/broken they tried to say i wasn't paying anything Oct 17 23:45:10 but then noted that i was paying something Oct 17 23:45:33 johnx: i probably watch 20 hours a week i guess Oct 17 23:45:36 * timeless_mbp ponders Oct 17 23:45:41 gah Oct 17 23:45:54 grey's, ncis, ncis, numbers, house, Oct 17 23:46:25 the dvr is recording so i can't ask for a menu Oct 17 23:47:31 is your cable encrypted? Oct 17 23:47:56 there's a card in my dvr Oct 17 23:48:03 so i think so Oct 17 23:50:41 well if its ci you _might_ still get it working with a pc... Oct 17 23:50:59 (assuming its digital) Oct 17 23:51:13 flv.mp4 >:-( Oct 17 23:51:28 it's digital Oct 17 23:51:29 meh Oct 17 23:52:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Interface Oct 17 23:55:14 also Eureka Oct 17 23:55:24 the Good Wife Oct 17 23:56:21 you'd need a dvb card with ci slot and a module thats compatible with your card, then you probably could use even linux software like vdr Oct 17 23:56:43 * nox- uses vdr too, tho only for fta channels Oct 17 23:56:57 (i have neither cable nor paytv...) Oct 17 23:57:09 nox-: price tag? Oct 17 23:58:09 not sure but i suspect it would be < 250eur Oct 17 23:58:18 (if you already have the pc) Oct 18 00:03:11 pc dates to 2004 (g5) or 98/99 (p2/p3) Oct 18 00:05:15 well, at least hdtv might then be a problem :) Oct 18 00:07:00 if you just want to record without transcoding and playback somewhere else it might not be bad Oct 18 00:07:12 true Oct 18 00:07:32 last time I did this I had analog cable ... Oct 18 00:07:38 what a *&#$ing nightmare Oct 18 00:07:44 still happy with maemo nox- ? Oct 18 00:08:03 recording dvb hdtv is not a problem, just playing hd h264... Oct 18 00:08:38 oh yes Oct 18 00:09:15 pupnik, i dont expect miracles, so yes :) Oct 18 00:09:55 i should have ignored the annoyances more Oct 18 00:10:04 :) Oct 18 00:10:13 online-vdr? Oct 18 00:10:27 DocScrutinizer, what do you mean? Oct 18 00:10:55 oh, playback via streamdev etc? sure thats possible Oct 18 00:11:35 webinterface too Oct 18 00:12:13 http://www.onlinetvrecorder.com/ Oct 18 00:20:46 so... Oct 18 00:20:49 about irreco Oct 18 00:21:11 the remote i have has buttons for , , , , Oct 18 00:21:19 it's Qtirreco isn't it? Oct 18 00:21:25 the thing i'm using doesn't seem to have those Oct 18 00:21:33 jpinx-eeepc, no irreco is still alive too Oct 18 00:21:36 qtIrreco is a Qt frontend to irreco. Oct 18 00:21:47 it claims Irreco 0.8.11 Oct 18 00:21:54 fairysnuff - I just installed the qt version... Oct 18 00:22:08 i don't think this is related to the UI Oct 18 00:22:19 it seems to be related to the data available for the remote i picked Oct 18 00:22:27 let's see if it'll run the model helicopter Oct 18 00:25:24 what does an Irreco "theme" do? Oct 18 00:40:29 ok, so, how is the theme used in irreco? Oct 18 00:40:48 probably just eyecandy Oct 18 00:40:55 and where are my remotes saved? Oct 18 00:43:08 * timeless_mbp sighs Oct 18 00:43:14 * timeless_mbp finds the way to use the theme Oct 18 00:43:17 boy this sucks Oct 18 00:46:02 Looking for help tethering my N900 to a iden phone using Bluetooth DUN Oct 18 00:48:42 timeless_mbp: theme means button icons Oct 18 00:49:14 the commands are all listed when you edit or create new button, in the middle section for the button Oct 18 00:49:31 the names should be self explaining Oct 18 00:50:11 iden? Oct 18 00:50:33 … so where does the file i'm editing live? Oct 18 00:50:53 timeless_mbp: the available commands are defined in the lirc part Oct 18 00:50:55 DocScrutinizer: yeah iden is only phone I have that works at work, and since I got promoted I had to give back my company phone Oct 18 00:50:56 and is the file i'm making compatible w/ the qt version Oct 18 00:51:01 DocScrutinizer: yeah yeah Oct 18 00:51:04 but i'm building a remote Oct 18 00:51:09 where the heck does that file live on disk"? Oct 18 00:51:37 timeless_mbp: there's ~user/.irreco/* Oct 18 00:51:50 /etc/lircd.conf Oct 18 00:52:05 /etc/lirc.d/* Oct 18 00:52:19 and does the Qt version suck less? Oct 18 00:52:23 ans ome shit on MyDocs/.irreco Oct 18 00:52:32 someone was not very sensible about how the editing works Oct 18 00:52:32 don't think so Oct 18 00:52:40 you tap on a button and it either randomly moves Oct 18 00:52:43 yes, editing sucks Oct 18 00:52:44 or maybe you get a context menu Oct 18 00:52:48 w/ tiny buttons Oct 18 00:53:22 well, the config files are all plain text ;-D Oct 18 00:53:43 timeless_mbp: I'm sure you'll have no problems to figure it Oct 18 00:54:46 the commands and lirc backend hw specs are on MyDocs, the file is linked from /etc/lircd.conf Oct 18 00:55:10 s/link/include Oct 18 00:55:50 the layout is in ~user/.irreco/*.layout or somesuch Oct 18 00:56:16 looking at the mtimes also helps Oct 18 00:58:01 no one using there n900 without a sim card? guess I will start uing n810 at work I'm still not sure why they didn't leave the gui to set this up on n900 Oct 18 00:58:45 I use my N900 without a SIM card. Oct 18 00:59:10 derf: you use it with another phone or just wifi? Oct 18 00:59:16 Just wifi. Oct 18 00:59:40 derf: k Oct 18 00:59:57 one just wifi, one as a phone Oct 18 01:00:19 err, make that "one just wifi and usb hostmode" Oct 18 01:02:38 hey Oct 18 01:02:48 is there an Apple Remote profile for iireco? :) Oct 18 01:04:47 can you get internet on N900 from a computer with a bluetooth connection Oct 18 01:08:10 you mean BT PAN? Oct 18 01:08:29 http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN Oct 18 01:12:53 * timeless_mbp sighs Oct 18 01:13:03 is Qt Irreco under development? Oct 18 01:17:24 ooh, Qt Irreco has a fingerable download remote dialog Oct 18 01:17:32 (barely) Oct 18 01:22:28 qt irreco's category is bad Oct 18 01:26:07 eww, it uses system modal dialogs Oct 18 01:33:43 * pupnik ponders Oct 18 02:38:04 hi all **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 18 02:59:57 2010