**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 20 02:59:56 2010
Oct 20 04:36:01 <TermanaN900> good morning
Oct 20 05:28:15 <andrewfblack> builder is taking for every tonight
Oct 20 05:30:55 * RST38h yawns
Oct 20 05:30:59 <RST38h> PR1.3?
Oct 20 05:32:10 <TermanaN900> morning andrewfblack and RST38h
Oct 20 05:35:32 <andrewfblack> morning TermanaN900
Oct 20 05:36:02 <andrewfblack> RST38h: I was just about to joke about PR 1.3 would be out before my software got built
Oct 20 06:14:33 <eish1> hi all
Oct 20 06:15:47 <eish1> i've been borrowed an N900 for a few days. is there a way to zoom in on a picture in the photos apllication?
Oct 20 06:17:19 <TermanaN900> eish1, have you tried with the volume rocker or circle right on screen?
Oct 20 06:17:58 <eish1> thanks :)
Oct 20 06:18:23 <eish1> volume rocker does it. circlin didn't work
Oct 20 06:19:48 <eish1> i might just get my friend to sell me the phone
Oct 20 06:56:20 <sejo> hmm each time i try to add a sharing account I get an internal error :Settings closed
Oct 20 06:56:29 <sejo> anyone knoms what that's about?
Oct 20 07:15:24 * VladNistor-mob says hello
Oct 20 07:18:59 <sejo> bleh no useable twitpic (or alternative) bleh the n900 is failing a lot lately
Oct 20 07:27:38 <vis_> oh crap
Oct 20 07:27:44 <vis_> got boot loop
Oct 20 07:27:48 <Stskeeps> hah-ha
Oct 20 07:27:48 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 20 07:28:46 <visz> halted while doind normal software update, and removing the battery did not do any good
Oct 20 07:29:44 <mece> sejo, huh? My twitpic works just fine..
Oct 20 07:31:01 <sejo> mece: I cannot sign in on the n900 (but don't have a twitpic account as i login through twitter)
Oct 20 07:31:17 <sejo> so should be able to provide the twitter credentials right?
Oct 20 07:31:53 <mece> hmm
Oct 20 07:31:54 <mece> yes
Oct 20 07:32:01 <mece> let's see..
Oct 20 07:32:07 <mece> ok sent now..
Oct 20 07:32:08 <mece> hmm
Oct 20 07:32:44 <mece> tadaa: http://twitpic.com/2z75xt
Oct 20 07:32:49 <mece> works just fine.
Oct 20 07:33:05 <sejo> alsways get Internal Error: Settings closed
Oct 20 07:33:13 <mece> what are you using?
Oct 20 07:33:23 <sejo> twitpic shsaring plugin
Oct 20 07:33:31 <mece> I use twitter sharing plugin
Oct 20 07:33:34 <mece> I think
Oct 20 07:33:36 <sejo> (witter just doesn't send through twitpic)
Oct 20 07:33:56 <mece> I've never used witters twitpic option
Oct 20 07:33:59 <sejo> i'll searh the sharing
Oct 20 07:34:20 <mece> yep, twitter sharing plugin
Oct 20 07:34:24 <mece> it uses oauth
Oct 20 07:34:27 <mece> it's in ovi
Oct 20 07:34:28 <mece> I think
Oct 20 07:34:45 <sejo> k
Oct 20 07:35:44 <sejo> i witched back to the base theme also, read that themes might give issues
Oct 20 07:36:02 <mece> sejo, this one: http://store.ovi.com/content/24018
Oct 20 07:36:34 <mece> wait.. maybe not. I'm, not sure.
Oct 20 07:37:19 <mece> yeah must be that one
Oct 20 07:37:24 <sejo> i'll install it
Oct 20 07:38:11 <sejo> thx mece
Oct 20 07:38:25 <sejo> still lately my n900 is letting me down..
Oct 20 07:39:52 <mece> mine's getting better every day :)
Oct 20 07:40:21 <sejo> mine not bad battery
Oct 20 07:43:56 <alterego> I've been working on MeeGo recently and am becoming quite overwhelmed by how cool the N900 is :)
Oct 20 07:44:04 <mece> heh, erection is trending on twitter
Oct 20 07:44:15 <mece> alterego, no shit!
Oct 20 07:44:17 <sejo> alterego: i found meego very slow on the n900
Oct 20 07:44:28 <sejo> (until 3 weeks ago)
Oct 20 07:44:52 <sejo> took ages to boot and the backpanel issue was a drag!
Oct 20 07:44:56 <mece> sejo, you can hardly compare todays meego to yesterday, so 3 weeks ago slowness means nothing.
Oct 20 07:45:06 <alterego> Yeah, it's not lightening fast, but it's quite cool how far its' come.
Oct 20 07:45:56 <alterego> I've got a crosscompilation tool chain setup and have been writing some meego touch fw apps
Oct 20 07:46:26 <sejo> I have issues testing as i'm on 64bit without multilib (so no working flasher :/)
Oct 20 07:47:12 <sejo> bleh installed your plugin and when pressing using existing aggount I get the Internal error again :/
Oct 20 07:47:23 <sejo> seriously what's going on?
Oct 20 07:48:32 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Oct 20 07:51:12 <alterego> Hey Jaffa
Oct 20 07:54:00 <dreamer> hmm, I changed my default browser, but now links from the terminal don't open
Oct 20 08:10:40 <sejo> hmm something is seriously broken :/
Oct 20 08:10:53 <sejo> can't even mount the storage anymore on my pc
Oct 20 08:11:03 <sejo> settings dialog fails all the time
Oct 20 08:17:46 <sejo> doing a backup and will reinstall the bugger
Oct 20 08:32:02 <psycho_oreos> I have sort of found a trick to making sure that it will allow remounting of the device's filesystem (namely /home/user/MyDocs) and it works on linux. In most cases it should work with using the same command for every time before one physically disconnects the cable
Oct 20 08:33:11 <psycho_oreos> though the safest (and slowest) way is to use via pc suite + USB networking route.
Oct 20 08:33:41 <psycho_oreos> hi there
Oct 20 08:35:41 <psycho_oreos> I can't wait to get my otto commuter case, it will come tomorrow in my timezone. After that I'll need to purchase a new keypad for n900 (backspace key has lost some of the paint and the LED light can be partially seen)
Oct 20 08:36:34 <hrw> who tried that 'leaked' pr1.3 image?
Oct 20 08:37:04 <RobbieThe1st> ~pr1.3
Oct 20 08:37:05 <infobot> STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever
Oct 20 08:37:41 <RobbieThe1st> To be honest, its not worth trying
Oct 20 08:37:48 <RobbieThe1st> Nothing's fixed in it, really
Oct 20 08:37:50 <MohammadAG51> hrw, me
Oct 20 08:38:02 <MohammadAG51> RobbieThe1st, not really
Oct 20 08:38:03 <MohammadAG51> it has fixes
Oct 20 08:38:20 <hrw> MohammadAG51: something worthy?
Oct 20 08:38:24 <RobbieThe1st> But none of the big stuff, like any BME enhancements, nor any new QT version(?)
Oct 20 08:39:03 <hrw> RobbieThe1st: new Qt is in extras-devel
Oct 20 08:39:15 <RobbieThe1st> Yea, but not in PR1.3, right?
Oct 20 08:39:21 <hrw> so what?
Oct 20 08:39:39 <hrw> RobbieThe1st: if application developer needs 4.7 then it is available
Oct 20 08:39:46 <RobbieThe1st> So... why not just use PR1.2 + extras devel? Why risk the PR1.3 image is it's not useful?
Oct 20 08:40:02 <jacekowski> RobbieThe1st: why not
Oct 20 08:40:14 <RobbieThe1st> uh...?
Oct 20 08:40:19 <RST38h> Robbie: there is no reaosn to risk installing a leaked pr1.3 image
Oct 20 08:40:28 <RobbieThe1st> AND THAT'S MY POINT!
Oct 20 08:40:29 <RST38h> Robbie: So, by all means, DO NOT install it
Oct 20 08:41:00 <hrw> I remember leaked pr1.2 and it was worth installing compared to pr1.1
Oct 20 08:41:17 <RobbieThe1st> >.< I try to dissuade somebody from installing a leaked PR1.3 image, and I get told not to install it.
Oct 20 08:41:19 <RST38h> and then everyone who did had to reflash
Oct 20 08:41:50 <RST38h> Robbie: Because you should not persuade/dissuade other people
Oct 20 08:41:53 <hrw> RST38h: no, I dist-upgraded
Oct 20 08:41:54 <X-Fade> Problem with trying newer firmware is that your modem gets updated.
Oct 20 08:41:58 <X-Fade> So you can't go back.
Oct 20 08:42:11 <psycho_oreos> I believe leaked firmwares should only be left to power users :p
Oct 20 08:42:11 <crashanddie> The modem?
Oct 20 08:42:17 <RST38h> hrw: bold.
Oct 20 08:42:25 <RobbieThe1st> ..? Why not?
Oct 20 08:42:39 <X-Fade> Yes, so worst case you flash older version and you only have a tablet.
Oct 20 08:42:42 * RST38h believes 90% current "power users" should stop believing themselves power users =)
Oct 20 08:43:22 <RobbieThe1st> IMHO, a power user is someone who is willing to reflash their N900 if something goes wrong... WITHOUT complaining about it.
Oct 20 08:43:36 <RST38h> no :)
Oct 20 08:43:42 <hrw> RobbieThe1st: no, it is just good user
Oct 20 08:43:52 <X-Fade> But you can't go back from newer firmware most of the time. That is the problem ;)
Oct 20 08:44:04 <jacekowski> X-Fade: well, i think you can build your own fiasco image with old modem firmware
Oct 20 08:44:20 <jacekowski> anyways, i have fast mirror for pr1.3
Oct 20 08:44:24 <X-Fade> jacekowski: I think there are checks?
Oct 20 08:44:25 <hrw> jacekowski: not fiasco image. you can build rootfs image
Oct 20 08:44:39 * Khertan believe 90% current "developper" should stop believing themselves developpers ...
Oct 20 08:44:49 <toggles> how come MOUNTS_OK isn't?
Oct 20 08:45:00 <hrw> Khertan: you mean nokia ones or maemo ones?
Oct 20 08:45:19 <jacekowski> X-Fade: checks are only done by nolo to stop downgrading modem firmware
Oct 20 08:45:35 <Corsac> ok, I definitely hate addressbook syncs
Oct 20 08:45:36 <Khertan> hrw, not only in the maemo context ... 90% of the world developper populations
Oct 20 08:45:45 <Corsac> it never goes well :/
Oct 20 08:46:09 <Khertan> to explain a bit i'm currently debugging a source code from one of our partner with 45 if/else included block
Oct 20 08:46:23 <Khertan> i ll rewrite it ...
Oct 20 08:46:26 <hrw> Khertan: send it to daily wtf
Oct 20 08:46:27 <jacekowski> X-Fade: and i think there is nothing to stop it from keeping it at the same version
Oct 20 08:46:28 <RobbieThe1st> With a switch?
Oct 20 08:46:35 <jacekowski> X-Fade: or you can just do rootfs flash
Oct 20 08:47:12 <X-Fade> jacekowski: I thought there were more parts requiring a certain version though.
Oct 20 08:47:26 <MohammadAG51> X-Fade, you're back!
Oct 20 08:47:26 <MohammadAG51> wb
Oct 20 08:47:52 <MohammadAG51> hrw, pulseaudio
Oct 20 08:47:54 <MohammadAG51> that's about it
Oct 20 08:48:03 <MohammadAG51> Qt 4.7 has a broken QTextBrowser
Oct 20 08:48:10 <MohammadAG51> black text on black background
Oct 20 08:48:23 <X-Fade> MohammadAG51: Yes I am, have been for a few days though ;)
Oct 20 08:48:23 <jacekowski> X-Fade: well, i'm not sure about firmware and call-ui and stuff there
Oct 20 08:48:38 <jacekowski> X-Fade: but during flashing there is nothing that would break things
Oct 20 08:48:39 <hrw> MohammadAG51: Qt 4.7 on maemo5 you mean?
Oct 20 08:48:46 <MohammadAG51> hrw, yes
Oct 20 08:48:49 <X-Fade> jacekowski: afaik, you don't have any gsm functionality if you mix.
Oct 20 08:48:55 <hrw> MohammadAG51: reported bug?
Oct 20 08:48:59 <jacekowski> X-Fade: but that makes upgrade safe
Oct 20 08:49:04 <MohammadAG51> hrw, not supported
Oct 20 08:49:11 <jacekowski> X-Fade: so if there are problems you can go back easily
Oct 20 08:49:14 <X-Fade> jacekowski: Sure, only your phone is useless ;)
Oct 20 08:49:28 <jacekowski> X-Fade: and if it's working you can upgrade modem firmware and have gsm
Oct 20 08:49:41 <MohammadAG51> hrw, i'll get a wontfix, or a kick from DocScrutinizer
Oct 20 08:53:18 <TermanaN900> Yeah, yet another design flaw. Who in the hell designed it so that you couldn't downgrade the radio
Oct 20 08:53:52 <X-Fade> TermanaN900: No, that is by design.
Oct 20 08:54:02 <jacekowski> TermanaN900: everybody
Oct 20 08:54:02 <X-Fade> TermanaN900: That is how you normally break simlocks :)
Oct 20 08:54:10 <TermanaN900> X-Fade, yeah that's a "feature"
Oct 20 08:54:28 <jacekowski> TermanaN900: you can't downgrade modem firmware in any phone i know of
Oct 20 08:54:40 <jacekowski> well, you can do it in n900 probably
Oct 20 08:54:49 <TermanaN900> jacekowski, I can downgrade my Desire's modem
Oct 20 08:54:51 <RobbieThe1st> I guess you just need to change the FW version on your old firmware to do it...
Oct 20 08:54:51 <jacekowski> via f-bus/m-bus
Oct 20 08:54:55 <Corsac> it's not a phone, it's a mobile computer!
Oct 20 08:55:29 <jacekowski> RobbieThe1st: and sign it
Oct 20 08:55:54 <jacekowski> RobbieThe1st: rapuyama is basicaly an omap 2 or 3 with m-shield
Oct 20 08:56:05 <RobbieThe1st> Corsac: Then just pull your sim out and ignore the whole thing
Oct 20 08:57:37 <jacekowski> so flashing firmware into rapuyama isn't a problem
Oct 20 08:57:40 <jacekowski> it's making it run
Oct 20 08:57:56 <RobbieThe1st> Yea, I suppose so
Oct 20 08:58:47 <TermanaN900> Corsac, 111!!!111!!
Oct 20 09:09:01 <andrewfblack> any idea why this is failing, I havn't done a theme in a while, I've tried using my old file and I remade the files to build package and I get the same error https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/maemo-org_2.0-3/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt
Oct 20 09:09:08 <TermanaN900> I haven't mentioned closed source speaker protection yet.
Oct 20 09:09:18 <TermanaN900> I think I might make a blog post
Oct 20 09:10:26 <X-Fade> andrewfblack: probably you have a broken debian/control file.
Oct 20 09:11:40 <andrewfblack> anything changed in a while to make control file change?
Oct 20 09:11:56 <andrewfblack> I havn't done a theme since before pr 1.2
Oct 20 09:12:14 <TermanaN900> I could make it - 10 things I hate and 10 things I love about the n900. I could put ads on the side and make some money and for such controversy I might see hits skyrocket
Oct 20 09:13:24 <TermanaN900> Now which of you capitalists are with me?
Oct 20 09:13:25 <TermanaN900> :p
Oct 20 09:14:34 <kerio> i'm with you if i don't have to do anything and i get money
Oct 20 09:15:47 <jacekowski> heh
Oct 20 09:15:55 <jacekowski> i just found tools for signing stuff
Oct 20 09:16:03 <jacekowski> that stuff is public
Oct 20 09:16:15 * lcuk normally uses a pen to sign stuff :P
Oct 20 09:16:22 <TermanaN900> kerio, did I say I was running RedHat?
Oct 20 09:16:24 <TermanaN900> :P
Oct 20 09:16:25 <jacekowski> well, yeah, but that leaves only keys
Oct 20 09:16:38 <kerio> TermanaN900: you didn't
Oct 20 09:16:46 <kerio> you didn't say you're not running redhat though
Oct 20 09:16:46 <jacekowski> understanding how exactly signature works isn't a problem then
Oct 20 09:18:21 <TermanaN900> jacekowski, it really only seems like a big deal for maemo. I'm not sure weather incompatibilities are introduced for ofono or just csd
Oct 20 09:45:12 <ilius> #maemo-ir started :)
Oct 20 09:47:05 <Stskeeps> -ir?
Oct 20 09:49:28 <Wizzup> infra red?
Oct 20 09:51:29 <timeless_mbp> TermanaN900: i'll take a 1% consultant's fee (it's a steal!) to be with you
Oct 20 09:51:55 <timeless_mbp> TermanaN900 =~ s/weather/whether/
Oct 20 09:51:57 * timeless_mbp storms
Oct 20 09:53:46 <TermanaN900> timeless_mbp, hi crashanddie
Oct 20 09:54:13 <crashanddie> TermanaN900, hey
Oct 20 09:55:09 <TermanaN900> see they appear at the same time. COINCIDENCE?
Oct 20 09:57:05 <crashanddie> eh?
Oct 20 09:57:09 <crashanddie> You highlighted me, bitch
Oct 20 10:36:02 <Danu> Hello guys
Oct 20 10:36:12 <Danu>  I want to share my broadband internet connection on PC with N900 via USB
Oct 20 10:36:20 <Danu>  can you help me to find a howto for that ? :D
Oct 20 10:38:16 <psycho_oreos> USB networking
Oct 20 10:46:29 <loufoque> isn't that done automatically?
Oct 20 10:46:46 <loufoque> plug it in, select PC suite mode, and you're good to go
Oct 20 10:47:00 <SpeedEvil> other way round
Oct 20 10:47:51 <psycho_oreos> it isn't done automatically for me. I had to set it up according to the wiki
Oct 20 10:49:02 <ShadowJK> the "N900 as USB modem" thing works automatically for me
Oct 20 10:49:16 <ShadowJK> when I seledct PC Suite Mode
Oct 20 10:50:13 <psycho_oreos> Danu wasn't talking about USB modem
Oct 20 10:51:48 <ShadowJK> oh, other way around
Oct 20 11:10:34 <FIQ|n900> maemo?
Oct 20 11:10:37 <Danu> guys , i want to share my broadband connection in my Lucid Desktop with N900 via usb , can somebody point me to right direction ?
Oct 20 11:10:37 <FIQ|n900> aw
Oct 20 11:12:43 <Danu> Anybody home ?
Oct 20 11:14:45 <psycho_oreos> Danu, USB networking
Oct 20 11:15:16 <Danu> hi oreos , i tried but i get a message saying "no connection available"
Oct 20 11:16:12 <psycho_oreos> Danu, once you add it in you're supposed to ifup the interface
Oct 20 11:16:54 <psycho_oreos> or do you mean getting standard applications (like fennec, HAM, etc) to work with the USB networking?
Oct 20 11:16:55 <Danu> i can ping N900 from my desktop
Oct 20 11:17:18 <Danu> but i cannot share my ADSL connection on Desktop with N900
Oct 20 11:17:31 <Danu> i want to share it and save my 3.5G conn :D
Oct 20 11:17:52 <Danu> i just want to share my desktop internet conn with N900 :D
Oct 20 11:18:10 <jpinx-eeepc> Danu: you need the dummy network configured
Oct 20 11:18:11 <psycho_oreos> can you resolve hostnames inside n900's shell?
Oct 20 11:18:19 <Danu> yup
Oct 20 11:18:25 <Danu> i have added google dns
Oct 20 11:18:35 <Danu> i have added a dummy network too
Oct 20 11:18:53 <psycho_oreos> and that dummy network should appear inside your internet connections
Oct 20 11:18:55 <jpinx-eeepc> Danu: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking
Oct 20 11:19:17 <Danu> eeepc  i followed that guide too
Oct 20 11:19:30 <Danu> oreos  dummy network does not show up :(
Oct 20 11:19:39 <jpinx-eeepc> Danu: I just followed the guide and got mine working nicely
Oct 20 11:19:58 <jpinx-eeepc> Danu: the dummy network needs to be there
Oct 20 11:20:01 <Danu> oh i see
Oct 20 11:20:02 <psycho_oreos> Danu, in the same link which is the same one that I've said before in regards to USB networking it does have guides for one to try and get dummy network to appear on the list
Oct 20 11:20:05 <Danu> let me check
Oct 20 11:20:06 <DocScrutinizer> anybody tested PC connectivity manager?
Oct 20 11:20:22 <Danu> let me try again and come back to you guys
Oct 20 11:20:23 <Danu> brb
Oct 20 11:20:32 <jpinx-eeepc> Danu: down near the end o that page...
Oct 20 11:20:35 <visz> crap
Oct 20 11:20:54 <Danu> eeepc  , i saw it thanks :D
Oct 20 11:20:58 <visz> flashing emmc did not help my boot loop problem
Oct 20 11:21:01 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: no - but I just installed WifiEye and it's magic :)
Oct 20 11:21:47 <visz> says "installing software update" and after a while boots again
Oct 20 11:21:57 <visz> hmm
Oct 20 11:22:01 <Danu> guys , another issue ,N900 also says that my device storage is full  , how do i add more space to the system ?
Oct 20 11:22:02 <visz> doesn't boot meego either
Oct 20 11:22:28 <jpinx-eeepc> Danu: transfer some stuff to a micro SD card?
Oct 20 11:22:47 <jpinx-eeepc> uninstall unsed apps - I had to do that
Oct 20 11:23:03 <Danu> eeepc that is also possible , but is it possible to share more user space with the system ?
Oct 20 11:23:18 <Danu> so i dont have to worry about uninstalling when needed :D
Oct 20 11:23:26 <pupnik_> why does wifieye show a network spanning multiple channels jpinx-eeepc
Oct 20 11:23:28 <jpinx-eeepc> dunno - I havenpt found a need for that
Oct 20 11:23:42 <Danu> there must be a way for it
Oct 20 11:23:48 <pupnik_> http://www.kriyayoga.com/images/blog_photos/n900/Screenshot-wifi-eye.jpg
Oct 20 11:23:52 <DocScrutinizer> Danu: you've done soemthing silly, or installed brainfscked pkg
Oct 20 11:23:53 <jpinx-eeepc> pupnik_: because of the frequency tail-off
Oct 20 11:24:14 <Danu> Doc , most definitely :D
Oct 20 11:24:23 <pupnik_> so i could join America-Lobby on channel 8 in that picture?
Oct 20 11:24:41 <jpinx-eeepc> pupnik_: a channel 10 transmitter will put out a little bit in channels either side
Oct 20 11:25:03 <psycho_oreos> Danu, make sure the apps are optified or your main rootfs will be full very quickly
Oct 20 11:25:34 <jpinx-eeepc> pupnik_: depends on whether it's encrypted etc
Oct 20 11:25:35 <Danu> of course oreos ,  but i want to get the internet shared on N900
Oct 20 11:25:38 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik_: because actual bandwidth of a channel in wifi is much beyond that channel
Oct 20 11:25:39 <jpinx-eeepc> but yes
Oct 20 11:25:46 <Danu> once that is done , sky is the next limit :D
Oct 20 11:26:13 <jpinx-eeepc> Danu: get you usb network to work properly first..  ;)
Oct 20 11:26:18 <pupnik_> that's new to me.  If i ever connect to a wlan on the wrong channel, i'll let you know.
Oct 20 11:26:21 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik_: so wifieye shows which channels are noisy when a certain chan is used
Oct 20 11:26:24 <Danu> yup eeepc :D
Oct 20 11:26:30 <jpinx-eeepc> pupnik_: you won't
Oct 20 11:26:41 <psycho_oreos> Danu, internet shared is as per what was said before, read up on the link on how to get dummy network to appear
Oct 20 11:27:01 <jpinx-eeepc> pupnik_: your system will go for the "main" channel being transmitted
Oct 20 11:27:26 <pupnik_> ok so wifieye's display is meant to encourage folks to not set up wifi on adjacent channels
Oct 20 11:27:26 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik_: rule of thumb: 2..3 free chan between used chan
Oct 20 11:27:37 <pupnik_> ty DocScrutinizer jpinx-eeepc
Oct 20 11:27:53 <jpinx-eeepc> pupnik_: I find the realtime graph most useful
Oct 20 11:28:04 <Danu> sure oreos ,  i get another issue after connecting the usb cable and going on pc suite mode , my internet on the Lucid desktop stops working , definitely due to address resolving problem , have you faced that before ?
Oct 20 11:28:15 <jpinx-eeepc> pupnik_: you can see if the wifi breaks - as mine does often - and not try to send anything
Oct 20 11:28:49 <jpinx-eeepc> Danu: set up the gateway in the laptop
Oct 20 11:29:08 <Danu> eeepc its set by DHCP
Oct 20 11:29:15 <Danu> from the broadband router
Oct 20 11:29:38 <Danu> shud i change those ?
Oct 20 11:29:55 <psycho_oreos> Danu, yes, you just need to delete the default route and change it or hack the ifupdown scripts under lucid
Oct 20 11:30:19 <jpinx-eeepc> it's all in the how-to page ;)
Oct 20 11:30:37 <Danu> oh my bad , i didnt see it :(
Oct 20 11:30:39 * timeless_mbp ponders
Oct 20 11:30:44 <timeless_mbp> anyone here familiar w/ unix pipelines?
Oct 20 11:31:02 <timeless_mbp> if i reduce the priority of a process later in the pipeline, can that hurt anything?
Oct 20 11:31:15 <jpinx-eeepc> Danu: fwiw I am currently using my eeepc as a thin client and a gateway for the n900,  but irssi etc are running on the n900
Oct 20 11:31:31 <achipa> Build status: Start in 12 hours
Oct 20 11:31:37 * achipa grabs some coffee
Oct 20 11:31:38 <SpeedEvil> timeless: it's irrelevant
Oct 20 11:31:46 <Danu> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=10207 <-- this is the issue i get
Oct 20 11:31:54 <SpeedEvil> timeless: priority is a scheduling thing.
Oct 20 11:32:26 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: so there shouldn't be any harm in me renicing the later parts of the pipeline?
Oct 20 11:32:30 <SpeedEvil> timeless: if the pipeline fills, then the process earlier on will block, and allow the other to be scheduled
Oct 20 11:33:03 <SpeedEvil> timeless: It will of course slow the other parts down, if it is not getting enough CPU.
Oct 20 11:33:13 <Danu> <--- AFK
Oct 20 11:34:40 <sx0n> http://www.unix.com/unix-advanced-expert-users/14793-pipe-fifo-buffer-size.html
Oct 20 11:36:57 <ShadowJK> (but there wont be any runaway buffers)
Oct 20 11:37:17 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: find | xargs perl | sort
Oct 20 11:37:21 <timeless_mbp> is basically my pipeline
Oct 20 11:37:26 <timeless_mbp> i think find is actually done
Oct 20 11:37:37 <timeless_mbp> and i think xargs is done too
Oct 20 11:37:53 <sx0n> xargs perl?
Oct 20 11:37:55 <timeless_mbp> so it's basically a fight between perl (disk i/) and sort (cpu)
Oct 20 11:38:15 <timeless_mbp> sx0n: well the perl does something :)
Oct 20 11:38:28 <timeless_mbp> would it help to know it's -pne ?
Oct 20 11:38:57 <SpeedEvil> Well - IIRC - sort does not output anything until it has done most of its IO
Oct 20 11:39:13 <timeless_mbp> that's right
Oct 20 11:39:41 <SpeedEvil> oh - misread
Oct 20 11:39:42 <DocScrutinizer> a pipe is a fifo
Oct 20 11:39:46 <timeless_mbp> this task set really would be better as map-reduce
Oct 20 11:39:46 <DocScrutinizer> man fifo
Oct 20 11:40:03 <SpeedEvil> what are you trying to do?
Oct 20 11:40:03 <DocScrutinizer> each end of a pipe can block the other
Oct 20 11:40:17 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: get a sorted list of all "words" in all "files" in a directory tree
Oct 20 11:40:34 <sx0n> i don't speak perl fluently so it does not help me..
Oct 20 11:40:48 <SpeedEvil> Generally, unless there are special conditions - swap contention and certain RAM access patterns - nice won't help
Oct 20 11:40:57 <DocScrutinizer> so they are mutually blocking and that makes them basically one process group. Impact of renicing is only wrt to other processes in the system
Oct 20 11:42:37 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: i'm wondering if it would have been faster for me to do the sort as a distinct process after perl finished
Oct 20 11:42:53 <SpeedEvil> well - what % of CPU are they using - and what % of RAM
Oct 20 11:43:05 <SpeedEvil> Also - are you actually getting swap traffic
Oct 20 11:43:18 <timeless_mbp> sort approaches 90% of cpu (i presume on 1 of 2 cpus)
Oct 20 11:43:19 <SpeedEvil> If you're not getting swapping much, thenthe answer is probably not.
Oct 20 11:43:26 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: depends on amount of data in pipe, and if swap is involved
Oct 20 11:43:50 <timeless_mbp> it was using about 50mb of ram at one point
Oct 20 11:44:11 <timeless_mbp> i have 600mb of ram free
Oct 20 11:44:11 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, then odds are a pipe is suboptimal for that
Oct 20 11:44:16 <timeless_mbp> so it shouldn't be starving
Oct 20 11:44:22 <SpeedEvil> Also - for two cores - if it makes sense - xargs -p2
Oct 20 11:44:36 <DocScrutinizer> eeeh? 650mb of ram? I suppose that's not N900?
Oct 20 11:44:43 <SpeedEvil> He's got a n901
Oct 20 11:44:59 <sx0n> find . -name "*.cpp"| xargs -i cat {} | sort -u ?
Oct 20 11:45:05 <timeless_mbp> ooh, looks like perl is done
Oct 20 11:45:30 <timeless_mbp> there's now contention between sort and uniq (later pipe stage)
Oct 20 11:45:45 <timeless_mbp> all done!
Oct 20 11:45:46 <sx0n> uniq will wait for eof
Oct 20 11:45:51 <SpeedEvil> man sort
Oct 20 11:45:57 <SpeedEvil> useless use of uniq
Oct 20 11:46:08 <DocScrutinizer> look, sort can't operate on imput data subsets, as last input line might become first output line
Oct 20 11:46:22 <timeless_mbp> SpeedEvil: oops
Oct 20 11:46:29 <DocScrutinizer> so sort will allocate ram in the size of input data
Oct 20 11:46:36 <SpeedEvil> Or temp disk files
Oct 20 11:46:53 <timeless_mbp> oh brother
Oct 20 11:46:55 <timeless_mbp> stupid me
Oct 20 11:47:02 <timeless_mbp> i ran the command from the wrong directory
Oct 20 11:49:19 * timeless_mbp cries
Oct 20 11:49:56 <timeless_mbp> sx0n: not lines, words
Oct 20 11:50:54 <timeless_mbp> ok, total fail, grumble
Oct 20 11:51:51 * RST38h yawns and loudly wonders what is going on in the maemoland tonight
Oct 20 11:51:52 * DocScrutinizer curses all medical doctors, and ponders text input systems not involving the left arm/hand
Oct 20 11:52:21 <RST38h> Doc: a secretary.
Oct 20 11:52:22 <SpeedEvil> :(
Oct 20 11:52:34 <DocScrutinizer> good idea
Oct 20 11:52:58 <DocScrutinizer> I'll take the young one from my orthopaedic doctor
Oct 20 11:54:17 <RST38h> She can probably do massage too...
Oct 20 11:54:37 <DocScrutinizer> nah, please don't touch... the shoulder :-P
Oct 20 11:54:44 <RST38h> What's wrong with the hand, anyway?
Oct 20 11:55:21 <timeless_mbp> fwiw, using sort was also stupid, but...
Oct 20 11:55:25 <DocScrutinizer> hand mostly ok, but impossible to lift arm to kbd level, without support
Oct 20 11:56:42 <DocScrutinizer> med droid killed my shoulder with a syringe
Oct 20 11:57:14 <DocScrutinizer> did teh opposite of what it was supposed to do, making things *much* worse
Oct 20 11:58:26 <SpeedEvil> I am currently not lifting arm at all when typing.
Oct 20 11:58:39 <SpeedEvil> I'm lying down under the blankets on the sofa, with the keyboard in my lap.
Oct 20 11:58:56 <DocScrutinizer> blin dtyping, nice
Oct 20 11:59:00 <SpeedEvil> I should probably get up.
Oct 20 11:59:18 <SpeedEvil> But it looks like such a lovely day out throughthe window, it's nice to look out there.
Oct 20 11:59:27 <SpeedEvil> It's just damn cold if I actually did.
Oct 20 12:00:02 <DocScrutinizer> honestly, any suggestions for one-hand kbd?
Oct 20 12:00:45 <DocScrutinizer> not that my 4.7 finger system bothhand is worth much, but for sure better than one hand one finger system
Oct 20 12:02:33 <DocScrutinizer> fsck!
Oct 20 12:04:53 * DocScrutinizer mumbles "about time for a better dragon dictate... there's been a project I had on my revisit list..." ... checks bookmarks
Oct 20 12:17:24 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: any one handed kbd will have to be asymettirc to make best use of the thimb and so it will have to be produced  "handed"
Oct 20 12:17:50 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: sure
Oct 20 12:18:38 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: thought about that earlier and always planned to get a left hand version. Now seems I'd need a right hand version instead
Oct 20 12:18:39 <jpinx-eeepc> space under little finger, ctrl under thumb
Oct 20 12:19:40 <jpinx-eeepc> alt at top of 1st finger range, del at top of 2nd finger range.
Oct 20 12:19:56 <jpinx-eeepc> I have thought about this before too ;)
Oct 20 12:20:50 <jpinx-eeepc> you have to be able to do Ctrl-Alt-Del with one hand ;)
Oct 20 12:21:57 <jpinx-eeepc> shift is above ctrl for thumb - I am unaware of any key combinations that need shift-ctrl-foo
Oct 20 12:22:06 <DocScrutinizer> nah, nonsense, of course a left hand version, now more than ever - I mean what else could I do with a left arm with damaged shoulder, than typing blind to one hand kbd
Oct 20 12:22:10 <Wizzup> Does anyone know where maemo stores the contact list?
Oct 20 12:22:54 <DocScrutinizer> err, some berkley or sql db
Oct 20 12:23:02 <jpinx-eeepc> osso is in the name
Oct 20 12:23:21 <Wizzup> ah, so it is probably not in my backups / MyDoc tbz ;)
Oct 20 12:23:23 <jpinx-eeepc> I am not on the n900 right now or I could look...
Oct 20 12:23:48 <MohammadAG51> convo logs are sqlite3
Oct 20 12:24:19 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51, you know that radio channel i've been getting all the past songs from
Oct 20 12:24:22 <jpinx-eeepc> iirc you can import / export the4 contact list
Oct 20 12:24:30 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51, I have 240000 songs in total :D
Oct 20 12:25:08 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: what about dragon?
Oct 20 12:25:13 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51, over the past two years, they've played U2 songs over 7000 times. That's more than 10 times a day.
Oct 20 12:26:08 <DocScrutinizer> Wizzup: /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db looks like it
Oct 20 12:26:20 <MohammadAG51> crashanddie, LOL
Oct 20 12:26:41 <Wizzup> DocScrutinizer: thx, I probably flashed that then ;)
Oct 20 12:27:04 <crashanddie> MohammadAG51, I have all the data in sqlite3 db, I'm going to dump it on a google apps engine page with some nice stats
Oct 20 12:27:05 <MohammadAG51> crashanddie, did you update your ps3 btw?
Oct 20 12:27:32 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: it's their jingle :-P
Oct 20 12:28:08 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer, nope, it's not. The top 100 songs have been played once a day over the past 2 years. That's on average 6.5 hours every day of music you've already heard for the past two years, every day.
Oct 20 12:29:10 <crashanddie> I'm discussing with a major musicstore admin to get their stats
Oct 20 12:29:20 <crashanddie> I want to see whether the radio is driving the sales, or the sales is driving the radio.
Oct 20 12:29:49 <DocScrutinizer> don't you think that's business confidential data?
Oct 20 12:30:51 <DocScrutinizer> damn, at OM not even staff got a proper figure of sales numbers
Oct 20 12:31:25 <DocScrutinizer> except sales staff of course :-P
Oct 20 12:31:30 <crashanddie> it's probably confidential, so?
Oct 20 12:32:47 <X-Fade> crashanddie: Isn't it a known fact that radio drives sales? It is big business.
Oct 20 12:33:38 <X-Fade> crashanddie: Almost nobody likes a song the first time, but after 100 times you automatically grow into liking it.
Oct 20 12:33:56 <nidO> that or you just dispise it all the more and smash your radio in
Oct 20 12:34:10 <nidO> e*
Oct 20 12:34:30 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: there are other "tricks" though. It's known major labels buy back their own records in bunch from stores, to push a record up the sales statistics
Oct 20 12:35:44 * MohammadAG51 wants to watch South Park on his N900 without a client :/
Oct 20 12:36:13 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: Sure, that is easy. And if you buy 10000 units you are at the top of the list ;)
Oct 20 12:36:24 <Wizzup> DocScrutinizer: It seems to be Berkeley DB :-) I found it in one of my backups
Oct 20 12:36:25 <SpeedEvil> Bittorrent + media player MohammadAG51
Oct 20 12:36:30 <X-Fade> DocScrutinizer: Physical sales are down to almost nothing, so that is not hard.
Oct 20 12:36:38 <DocScrutinizer> Wizzup: yes it's berkley
Oct 20 12:36:51 * Wizzup happy
Oct 20 12:37:08 <tybollt_> why are you happy? Please stop that imediately
Oct 20 12:37:20 <tybollt_> who allowed you to be happy?
Oct 20 12:37:33 <DocScrutinizer> without paying for it, even
Oct 20 12:37:48 <tybollt_> yes, indeed!
Oct 20 12:37:50 <Wizzup> Techincally I didn't say I *am* happy
Oct 20 12:37:52 * SpeedEvil injects tybollt_ with happy juice.
Oct 20 12:37:55 <Wizzup> I just said happy
Oct 20 12:37:58 <tybollt_> :)
Oct 20 12:38:10 * SpeedEvil notices when putting it away that the container says 4 min epoxy.
Oct 20 12:38:20 <tybollt_> >:)
Oct 20 12:38:47 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Oct 20 12:39:17 <tybollt_> so how are things in maemo land these days=?
Oct 20 12:39:28 * DocScrutinizer wonders if the real strong painkillers could serve for a happy juice for him today
Oct 20 12:40:26 <DocScrutinizer> damn, not even getting grumpy is real fun anymore
Oct 20 12:41:15 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG51: fix that hostmode kernel, lazy lad!
Oct 20 12:42:51 <DocScrutinizer> hell, I'm amazed it doesn't eat your USB with hair and hooves, with all those nasty bugs in there
Oct 20 12:45:09 * Wizzup reads contacts with python
Oct 20 12:51:18 <DocScrutinizer> python has a Berkley interface?
Oct 20 12:51:47 <Wizzup> import bsddb
Oct 20 12:51:55 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
Oct 20 12:52:07 <Wizzup> I googled for 'read berkeley db' and the third hit was python, suits me :)
Oct 20 12:53:00 <DocScrutinizer> any way I guess the recommended method to access contacts is via some friggin lib provided by Nokia
Oct 20 12:53:24 <Wizzup> It's pretty readable this way
Oct 20 12:53:35 <DocScrutinizer> read might be ok, usually
Oct 20 12:53:54 <DocScrutinizer> I'd refrain from altering/inserting to the db though
Oct 20 12:54:02 <Wizzup> I don't want to alter my backups ;)
Oct 20 12:54:10 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Oct 20 12:54:19 <DocScrutinizer> fair enough
Oct 20 12:54:44 <Wizzup> Plus, I still need to go to the shop and get a replacement n900
Oct 20 12:56:31 <DocScrutinizer> Wizzup: you could create a quite useful pkg out of this: "backup-access: reads out your contacts... whatnot... from the backup .tgz created on N900. Python, so will run on your PC as well"
Oct 20 12:57:54 <Wizzup> Sounds nice... Although I don't even know what other default formats there are for contacts. I tried hard to forgot about the contacts importing / exporting last time I did an import from my old phone
Oct 20 12:58:49 <DocScrutinizer> Wizzup: first intermediate goal, extract and print contacts, csv or vcard format
Oct 20 12:59:21 <Wizzup> Perhaps, when I have some time to spare...
Oct 20 12:59:25 * Wizzup has to study for exams now
Oct 20 12:59:35 <DocScrutinizer> sure :-)
Oct 20 13:23:23 <Appiah> Is there any news on Flash 10?
Oct 20 13:23:36 <Appiah> (working on n900)
Oct 20 13:24:13 <crashanddie> ~ping
Oct 20 13:24:14 <infobot> ~pong
Oct 20 13:28:22 <DocScrutinizer> Appiah: Stskeeps installed some version 10 you *might* get from Intel AIUI
Oct 20 13:28:34 <Termana> DocScrutinizer, Intel?
Oct 20 13:28:36 <Termana> TI
Oct 20 13:28:36 <Stskeeps> DocScrutinizer: no, TI and out of the question after the lemmings attacked
Oct 20 13:28:42 <DocScrutinizer> err TI, yes
Oct 20 13:28:56 <Termana> Stskeeps, they stopped allowing it?
Oct 20 13:29:24 <Stskeeps> Termana: probabl
Oct 20 13:29:24 <Stskeeps> y
Oct 20 13:30:10 <Appiah> O_o
Oct 20 13:30:53 <Termana> Meh. I'm more of an HTML5 person anyway
Oct 20 13:30:56 <Termana> :p
Oct 20 13:31:31 <marmoute> Termana wear web socket
Oct 20 13:32:16 <Termana> marmoute, yeah cause flash sockets are wondering
Oct 20 13:32:32 <Termana> They even terminate everything as \0 for you
Oct 20 13:32:36 <Termana> Because they love you
Oct 20 13:32:51 <Termana> wonderful*
Oct 20 13:33:24 <dan_> Hello guys , i have a dummy connection but it does not show up at "always ask"
Oct 20 13:33:43 <dan_> why ?
Oct 20 13:36:38 <crashanddie> dan_, question you make sense little.
Oct 20 13:36:40 <crashanddie> dan_, why?
Oct 20 13:39:01 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: actually it makes a bit of sense. But I'd not know how to answer it :-P
Oct 20 13:39:19 <Termana> He's gone anyhow
Oct 20 13:39:26 <DocScrutinizer> uhuh
Oct 20 13:49:50 <crashanddie> "A Chinese man who got his arm stuck in a toilet pipe in an attempt to retrieve his dropped mobile phone had to be freed by rescuers."
Oct 20 13:50:10 <crashanddie> I'm guessing that really was a shit phone?
Oct 20 13:50:19 <RST38h> It wasn't an N900. Wouldn't ever pass through there.
Oct 20 13:50:37 <Jaffa> Difficult blockage to explain to a plumber: yeah, I quite literally dropped a brick.
Oct 20 13:51:09 <RST38h> You want to tell your plumber that you have just dropped a *device* instead? =)
Oct 20 13:51:23 <javispedro> moo RST38h, Jaffa
Oct 20 13:54:37 <mgedmin> there was a sad story about someone dropping a cellphone into a privy somewhere in africa
Oct 20 13:54:46 <mgedmin> several people drowned trying to get it out
Oct 20 13:55:24 <javispedro> "several"? was it an iphone?
Oct 20 13:55:25 <logisist> do I have any other options for an email client in Maemo?
Oct 20 13:56:44 <Jaffa> logisist: What options do you think you have?
Oct 20 13:56:50 <marmoute> mgedmin: urban legend
Oct 20 13:57:17 <Jaffa> logisist: There's Modest, web browser, pine (eugh), SSH+mutt/pine/..., write a new one using QMF, ...
Oct 20 13:57:28 <RST38h> ehlo javispedro
Oct 20 13:57:35 <DocScrutinizer> lo javispedro
Oct 20 13:57:49 <javispedro> morning
Oct 20 13:58:21 <javispedro> is LD_PRELOADing still the best way to override a shared library symbol?
Oct 20 13:59:16 <javispedro> I want to do a ltrace-like app for some calls (GL-related) and thus need some performance (on ARM)
Oct 20 13:59:53 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: err, yes?
Oct 20 14:00:41 <javispedro> dunno :)
Oct 20 14:02:14 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: depends on what exactly you're trying to achieve. LD_PRELOAD is fine for a single process with some replaced *.so
Oct 20 14:03:19 <DocScrutinizer> if you want system wide efect, then I guess there are better things to do that than a mere "LD_PRELOAD=mylib.so myapp"
Oct 20 14:03:42 <logisist> Jaffa: I don't know what options I have, heh... hence the question, do I have any
Oct 20 14:04:18 <logisist> the obvious CLI/HTTP based clients are platform independent
Oct 20 14:04:18 <DocScrutinizer> if you want more control and don't mind clumsy handling, then I guess you can create some gdb wizardry
Oct 20 14:04:25 <javispedro> heh
Oct 20 14:04:49 <logisist> but Modest I'll look it, thanks Jaffa
Oct 20 14:05:13 <javispedro> I guess I need to lookup which order ld uses to resolve symbols when they're on more than one shared library (without using LD_PRELOAD)
Oct 20 14:06:17 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, mompls
Oct 20 14:12:10 <Venemo> hey guys
Oct 20 14:12:38 <javispedro> bah, even padsp & the like use LD_PRELOAD, so I guess that's it.
Oct 20 14:13:27 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: LD_DEBUG=bindings
Oct 20 14:13:43 <Venemo> I got an N810 and I like it :)
Oct 20 14:13:45 <Pillum> how can i format the micro sd card through command line`?
Oct 20 14:13:48 <Pillum> on n900
Oct 20 14:14:13 <Venemo> it is much better in some regards than an N900
Oct 20 14:14:37 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: interesting.
Oct 20 14:16:58 <Venemo> how does autocompletion work on OS2008 xchat?
Oct 20 14:18:42 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: nick completion?
Oct 20 14:19:22 <Venemo> yes
Oct 20 14:19:56 <DocScrutinizer> Pillum: sfdisk xxxxxxx; mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk1p1
Oct 20 14:20:01 <Venemo> i didnt find a tab key
Oct 20 14:20:28 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: edit keybindings in ~/.xchat2
Oct 20 14:20:42 <Venemo> but it can tether my old N95 very well
Oct 20 14:20:46 <DocScrutinizer> or do the same via preferences menu
Oct 20 14:22:28 <Venemo> k
Oct 20 14:22:40 <Pillum> DocScrutinizer: what is xxxxxxx?
Oct 20 14:23:54 <DocScrutinizer51> some parameters I don't know, as I usually use cfdisk instead of that clumsy sfdisk
Oct 20 14:27:54 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, thanks
Oct 20 14:28:12 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, I was able to set it to ctrl
Oct 20 14:28:49 <Venemo> the only thing that annoys me a bit is the lack of kinetic scrolling
Oct 20 14:29:55 <Gh0sty> kinetic scrolling
Oct 20 14:29:58 <Gh0sty> whats that? :/
Oct 20 14:30:33 <Venemo> Gh0sty, you are joking, right?
Oct 20 14:31:08 <Gh0sty> i think you mean if you give it a good slide it keeps sliding a bit after? :p
Oct 20 14:31:14 <Gh0sty> or whatdoyoumean? :/
Oct 20 14:31:45 <Venemo> Gh0sty, yes
Oct 20 14:31:59 <Gh0sty> that works doesn't it ? :/
Oct 20 14:32:37 <Gh0sty> at least in my photo gallery
Oct 20 14:33:10 <Gh0sty> slide-lifts finger-screen keeps sliding through photos
Oct 20 14:33:16 <Venemo> nope, I have to use scrollbars
Oct 20 14:33:22 <javispedro> n810!
Oct 20 14:33:23 <DocScrutinizer51> we're talking bout xchat though
Oct 20 14:33:44 <Gh0sty> oh xchat :x
Oct 20 14:34:11 <DocScrutinizer51> and diablo
Oct 20 14:34:32 <Venemo> this is mainly annoying in the browser
Oct 20 14:34:34 <DocScrutinizer51> diablo has no such thing
Oct 20 14:36:46 <lcuk> Gh0sty, the gallery photo view does not use kinetics really, it advances to the next logical unit (photo)
Oct 20 14:37:02 <lcuk> fixed boundary smooth scroll to :P
Oct 20 14:38:04 <Venemo> hm
Oct 20 14:38:20 <Venemo> is the community SSU worth it?
Oct 20 14:39:19 <timeless_mbp> hey, debian-kernel people
Oct 20 14:39:25 <timeless_mbp> if i have a kernel module which is running
Oct 20 14:39:34 <timeless_mbp> and someone wants to tell me that keeping it running would be bad
Oct 20 14:39:44 <timeless_mbp> should they ask me to "purge the module" or "remove the module"?
Oct 20 14:40:06 <Stskeeps> or terminate the module!
Oct 20 14:40:07 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 20 14:40:19 <timeless_mbp> ...
Oct 20 14:40:23 <timeless_mbp> you aren't helping!
Oct 20 14:40:27 <Stskeeps> sorry :)
Oct 20 14:43:10 <Venemo> why is tableteer.nokia.com not working?
Oct 20 14:47:01 <DocScrutinizer51> timeless_mbp: module 'running'?
Oct 20 14:47:21 <timeless_mbp> yeah, it's running
Oct 20 14:47:28 <DocScrutinizer51> you're talking bout .ko?
Oct 20 14:47:29 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: http://www.virtualbox.org/attachment/ticket/7616/VBox-Installer-linux-debian-templates
Oct 20 14:47:42 <timeless_mbp> search that url for purge
Oct 20 14:48:02 <DocScrutinizer51> mmh
Oct 20 14:51:21 <SuPrSluG> anyone use vpngui? can't find it in the file system to launch the program
Oct 20 14:53:44 <mrcarrot> hello... this has probably been asked several times but i could not find any sure answer through googling
Oct 20 14:53:58 <mrcarrot> is it possible to upgrade a n810 past os2008
Oct 20 14:54:12 <crashanddie> Short answer, No.
Oct 20 14:54:12 <mrcarrot> for example something community created
Oct 20 14:54:15 <crashanddie> long answer, ask Stskeeps
Oct 20 14:54:27 <Stskeeps> there's openwrt for the adventorous
Oct 20 14:54:28 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 20 14:54:59 <mrcarrot> Stskeeps: that is mainly for routers.... have you tried it on your n810?
Oct 20 14:55:06 <Stskeeps> mrcarrot: no, not recently
Oct 20 14:55:31 <mrcarrot> could you with it get out on internet through a phone?
Oct 20 14:56:10 <orospakr> are the nokia* gstreamer elements the ones that do the OMAP/IVA2+ codec acceleration?
Oct 20 14:58:37 <DocScrutinizer51> probably
Oct 20 15:16:02 <visz> hmh
Oct 20 15:16:35 <visz> fixed my n900's boot loop. now it's like a new born baby again with blank everything
Oct 20 15:17:11 <javispedro> orospakr: no, look for "OpenMAX" or "omx" elements
Oct 20 15:17:37 <javispedro> or "dsp", fwiw
Oct 20 15:19:00 <Venemo> hi again
Oct 20 15:19:07 <pupnik> huhu
Oct 20 15:19:37 <Venemo> huhu?
Oct 20 15:19:56 <pupnik> hi
Oct 20 15:20:24 <Venemo> hi :P
Oct 20 15:26:23 <orospakr> javispedro, ahh, right.
Oct 20 15:28:11 <tybollt_> anyone yusing ze spotify on ze n900?
Oct 20 15:39:33 <javispedro> RST38h: lol, the Palm guys patched in the SDL the infamous pulseaudio client deadlock when quitting app =)
Oct 20 15:39:58 <orospakr> hey, where's the source for BatteryGraph?
Oct 20 15:40:14 <orospakr> ewww "non-free" license.
Oct 20 15:40:26 * orospakr feels like his parade has been rained on. :(
Oct 20 15:47:29 * orospakr ponders sending a donation along with a note to the effect of "Cool app, but source code would be great!"
Oct 20 15:54:36 <Khertan> javispedro, ? really ? it s now fixed ?
Oct 20 15:55:01 <Venemo> what is fixed?
Oct 20 15:56:03 <javispedro> Khertan: I do not think it was ever fixed on Maemo iirc, but since they removed one of the causes (muting games while mediaplayer was playing)
Oct 20 15:56:13 <javispedro> it does not manifest itself as often
Oct 20 15:56:17 <Khertan> Venemo: <javispedro> RST38h: lol, the Palm guys patched in the SDL the infamous pulseaudio client deadlock when quitting app =)
Oct 20 15:56:30 <javispedro> Pre guys do some trickery on SDL to always quit from the pulse thread
Oct 20 15:56:43 <javispedro> instead of waiting for it to die
Oct 20 15:56:44 <Venemo> Khertan, souns good
Oct 20 15:56:45 <Khertan> javispedro, lol i hope we will not have tcp/ip stack dead lock ... else they will probably remove it
Oct 20 15:57:04 <ZogG> Khertan so i didn't get answer yesterday
Oct 20 15:57:12 <Khertan> ZogG,  ?
Oct 20 15:57:12 <ZogG> where is moon trip?
Oct 20 15:57:18 <ZogG> honey moon
Oct 20 15:57:28 <Khertan> oh not decided yet :)
Oct 20 15:57:38 <ZogG> mazal tov anyway
Oct 20 15:57:42 <ZogG> wrote you on twitter
Oct 20 15:58:05 <Khertan> the short honeymoon  week end was in france near the sea :)
Oct 20 15:58:16 <Khertan> in fact ... not near ... on the sea :)
Oct 20 15:58:19 <ZogG> are you not french?
Oct 20 15:58:26 <Khertan> i'm french ...
Oct 20 15:58:34 <ZogG> but you don't live there?
Oct 20 15:59:01 <Khertan> yes and no ;) i live in Paris, but france isn't a small country
Oct 20 15:59:16 <Khertan> and there are so beautiful place to go :)
Oct 20 15:59:21 <ZogG> i used to live in russia - france is small man =)
Oct 20 15:59:29 <Khertan> ZogG, :)
Oct 20 15:59:35 <Khertan> just a point of view
Oct 20 16:00:02 <Khertan> take a 2D representation of earth with france in the center ... russia appear smaller :)
Oct 20 16:00:11 <ZogG> lol
Oct 20 16:01:57 <Noobmonk3y> if you zoom in and block out all the other countries, England actually looks pretty big, compared to an ant :)
Oct 20 16:03:01 <MohammadAG51> compare it to IL
Oct 20 16:03:18 <Venemo> lol
Oct 20 16:04:10 <Venemo> okay, look at a map from 600 years ago... Hungary was a huge country :)
Oct 20 16:04:17 * Noobmonk3y is hungary
Oct 20 16:04:24 <Noobmonk3y> well, hunfry at least
Oct 20 16:04:26 <Noobmonk3y> hungry*
Oct 20 16:04:28 <Noobmonk3y> oh ffs
Oct 20 16:04:41 <Venemo> Noobmonk3y, not a good joke :P
Oct 20 16:04:50 * Noobmonk3y fails, quite regularly......
Oct 20 16:06:09 <Noobmonk3y> not quite as regularly as frals, but not far off ;)
Oct 20 16:06:33 * frals slaps Noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout
Oct 20 16:06:41 <frals> oi watch your mouth you wnkr ;)
Oct 20 16:06:57 <Noobmonk3y> hahaha!
Oct 20 16:07:02 <Noobmonk3y> damn he's awake ;)
Oct 20 16:07:10 <Noobmonk3y> evenin ;)
Oct 20 16:07:12 <e-yes> I like maps dated may'1945
Oct 20 16:07:17 <pupnik> do we have any news of n9 being released in nov?
Oct 20 16:07:35 <Noobmonk3y> pupnik, 50/50 its a yes or no
Oct 20 16:07:42 <MohammadAG51> wow
Oct 20 16:07:53 <Noobmonk3y> or maybe a maybe, darn stats!
Oct 20 16:07:58 <MohammadAG51> Noobmonk3y, inside info, nice
Oct 20 16:08:11 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG51: technically i'm not inside an N9 that would just be freaky!
Oct 20 16:08:20 <ZogG> MohammadAG51 agreed, even the word "Israel" don't have place, so we always go little bit to Iraq or Iran or Egypt =))
Oct 20 16:08:47 <alterego> Who knows how I can continually record frames from the framebuffer?
Oct 20 16:08:49 <ZogG> e-yes hjey what are you doing herE?
Oct 20 16:08:57 <CutMeOwnThroat> is something wrong with the repositories? getting an error when trying to update package lists on .... maemo.org ones, I think... just closed the list
Oct 20 16:09:18 <ZogG> MohammadAG51, i'm thinking to get student package from orange with iphone4
Oct 20 16:09:26 <ZogG> and sell it or use as second phone
Oct 20 16:09:30 <ZogG> for games =)
Oct 20 16:09:46 <ZogG> CutMeOwnThroat they are preparing for update
Oct 20 16:09:58 * alterego wonders about tail -f
Oct 20 16:10:00 <Noobmonk3y> yup armageddon will be uploaded to maemo.org soon ;)
Oct 20 16:10:09 <CutMeOwnThroat> ZogG, so will be down today?
Oct 20 16:10:14 <alterego> Grr
Oct 20 16:10:17 <ZogG> CutMeOwnThroat yes, till 2012
Oct 20 16:10:25 <ZogG> cause after it wouldn't matter
Oct 20 16:10:54 <CutMeOwnThroat> year? :)
Oct 20 16:11:02 <ZogG> centure
Oct 20 16:11:05 <ZogG> century
Oct 20 16:12:16 <intelinsider> hi
Oct 20 16:12:24 <CutMeOwnThroat> oh no... dual boot with meego
Oct 20 16:12:53 <CutMeOwnThroat> I'm not very happy with the switch to meego... rpm insted of apt :(
Oct 20 16:13:27 <Noobmonk3y> meh - its not being forced upon ya ;)
Oct 20 16:14:11 <CutMeOwnThroat> not immediately... but I thought that means maemo goes away over time to be replaced by meego...
Oct 20 16:14:12 <Stskeeps> CutMeOwnThroat: rpm instead of dpkg, zypper instead of apt..
Oct 20 16:15:06 <Venemo> does the n810 have some memory card slot?
Oct 20 16:15:06 <javispedro> pfft.
Oct 20 16:15:13 <ZogG> CutMeOwnThroat you wouldn't get it anyway
Oct 20 16:15:23 <wmarone> CutMeOwnThroat: it's a change for the better, since we get rid of the last of Nokia's "differentiation" ;)
Oct 20 16:15:25 <CutMeOwnThroat> right... i knew that wasn't expressed totally correct... but don't even know zypper, so .. :)
Oct 20 16:15:44 <ZogG> CutMeOwnThroat and i hate getting iphone instead of n900
Oct 20 16:15:47 <javispedro> Venemo: yes, look behind the stand
Oct 20 16:16:01 <javispedro> (or the user's manual, fwiw =) )
Oct 20 16:16:06 <Venemo> k
Oct 20 16:16:55 <intelinsider> use anybody a sip acc to call contacts?
Oct 20 16:17:22 <CutMeOwnThroat> i know, i know... it's probably a good idea in that regard... I just had very bad experiences with the rpm mess before they had things like... yum? zypper? or whatever... and mostly very good experiences with apt
Oct 20 16:17:56 <CutMeOwnThroat> so from gut feeling it will always be a step back
Oct 20 16:18:47 <wmarone> zypper will hopefully be better than yum
Oct 20 16:19:22 <wmarone> yum is kinda braindead, and seems to insist on pulling down package libraries before every searc
Oct 20 16:19:24 <wmarone> +h
Oct 20 16:20:09 <ZogG> ok i'll explaine
Oct 20 16:20:20 <ZogG> U DON'T HAVE TO install meego as second os
Oct 20 16:20:24 <ZogG> noone force you
Oct 20 16:20:30 <ZogG> TADA \o/
Oct 20 16:20:35 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, tell them
Oct 20 16:20:44 <intelinsider> :)
Oct 20 16:20:48 <javispedro> not to mention yum was written in python, which means it was.. SLOW!!
Oct 20 16:20:55 <ZogG> intelinsider liar
Oct 20 16:21:03 <ZogG> you are my poop-outsider
Oct 20 16:21:13 * Noobmonk3y farts
Oct 20 16:21:31 <ZogG> Noobmonk3y, oh smeels like pizza
Oct 20 16:21:36 <Noobmonk3y> lol!
Oct 20 16:21:42 <ZogG> am i right?
Oct 20 16:21:56 <intelinsider> rofl
Oct 20 16:22:18 <Noobmonk3y> naaa, bacon roll!
Oct 20 16:22:26 <kerio> <nsvon
Oct 20 16:22:28 <kerio> er
Oct 20 16:22:29 <kerio> BACON
Oct 20 16:22:54 * lcuk goes and eats chips 
Oct 20 16:23:13 <CutMeOwnThroat> ZogG, I think I  got that the first time around :)
Oct 20 16:23:33 <ZogG> CutMeOwnThroat the pizza thing?
Oct 20 16:23:45 <CutMeOwnThroat> well... guess that, too
Oct 20 16:23:55 <CutMeOwnThroat> but actually I was referring to the dual-boot thingy
Oct 20 16:24:24 <ZogG> CutMeOwnThroat ok, now you can do what your nick says
Oct 20 16:24:34 <ZogG> am i rude?
Oct 20 16:25:01 <CutMeOwnThroat> maybe... you also betray your ignorance :) Cut Me Own Throat (C.M.O.T) Dibbler is a most enterprising 'merchant venturer' in Terry Pratchett's Discworld series.  He is famous for selling meat by-products, i.e. sausages to unsuspecting souls (often referred to with "Can't make both ends meat").  His name originates from his catchphrase 'I'll even sell it to you for $XX, and that's cutting me own throat.'
Oct 20 16:25:58 <CutMeOwnThroat> ... giving me the opportunity to spread the word about Pratchett :-P
Oct 20 16:26:03 <ZogG> CutMeOwnThroat is it you?
Oct 20 16:26:05 <ZogG> no?
Oct 20 16:26:09 <ZogG> so do it now
Oct 20 16:26:21 <CutMeOwnThroat> although that had not been the intention when choosing the nick
Oct 20 16:26:26 <CutMeOwnThroat> right...
Oct 20 16:26:31 <CutMeOwnThroat> ZogG, sausage inna bun?
Oct 20 16:27:32 <ZogG> CutMeOwnThroat oh i like it
Oct 20 16:34:54 <intelinsider> hm i lost contact details... crap ovi suite :(
Oct 20 16:35:02 <timeless_mbp> sp3000:  ping me when you head out
Oct 20 16:35:36 <sp3000> k, 30-60 or something I think
Oct 20 16:35:58 <sp3000> 50/60
Oct 20 16:36:29 <lopz> hi .)
Oct 20 16:36:56 <Venemo> hi
Oct 20 16:38:26 <javispedro> oh god, TMO crew are going to love what I just done
Oct 20 16:38:40 <javispedro> s/TMO crew/TMOers
Oct 20 16:39:10 <pupnik> ?
Oct 20 16:39:17 <pupnik> whats that javispedro
Oct 20 16:39:34 <javispedro> I've run a Pre game on the N900 =)
Oct 20 16:39:51 <pupnik> nice
Oct 20 16:40:03 <javispedro> See, I wasn't lying when I was saying that Pre and Maemo were sister platforms :)
Oct 20 16:40:20 <javispedro> s/Pre/WebOS
Oct 20 16:42:16 <javispedro> And for some reason, Palm does not even have a treacherous stance against Vorbis and free audio codecs, so most Pre games use vorbis :(
Oct 20 16:42:37 <javispedro> unlike Nokia.
Oct 20 16:43:15 <Stskeeps> nokia has improved in that matter
Oct 20 16:43:15 <Stskeeps> :P
Oct 20 16:44:20 <javispedro> possibly because stripping Ogg from Meego would have been too much evil =)
Oct 20 16:44:22 <timeless_mbp> s/in/on/
Oct 20 16:44:23 <infobot> timeless_mbp meant: sp3000:  pong me when you head out
Oct 20 16:44:30 <timeless_mbp> no i did not!
Oct 20 16:44:35 <timeless_mbp> Stskeeps =~ s/in/on/
Oct 20 16:44:49 <timeless_mbp> javispedro: no
Oct 20 16:44:56 <timeless_mbp> ogg stance changed before meego merge
Oct 20 16:45:10 <timeless_mbp> not that i can prove that to you, but it's true
Oct 20 16:45:40 <Stskeeps> timeless_mbp: i know it did
Oct 20 16:45:49 <Stskeeps> it was in a bug report
Oct 20 16:46:30 <timeless_mbp> hrm did we mark fixed in harmattan?
Oct 20 16:46:32 <timeless_mbp> we probably did
Oct 20 16:51:01 <timeless_mbp> wow, learn something new every day
Oct 20 16:51:02 <timeless_mbp> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_the_Czech_Republic
Oct 20 16:51:18 <javispedro> bug #176
Oct 20 16:51:19 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=176 Ogg Vorbis support out of the box
Oct 20 16:51:22 <javispedro> yes, you did.
Oct 20 16:52:02 * Noobmonk3y pongs MohammadAG51 
Oct 20 16:52:15 <oshin> anyone know how to add digital compass?
Oct 20 16:52:37 <MSJ1983> anyone tried the new psfreedom???
Oct 20 16:55:38 <pupnik> javispedro: how much work went into the port for that pre game?
Oct 20 16:56:23 <javispedro> pupnik: virtually nothing and all of it is generic
Oct 20 16:56:26 <SpeedEvil> oshin: to the phone?
Oct 20 16:56:38 <SpeedEvil> oshin: open it up, add compass to the I2C bus
Oct 20 16:56:42 <javispedro> pupnik: some stubs here, and a LD_PRELOADed small lib to handle opengl differences
Oct 20 16:56:45 <SpeedEvil> Write driver.
Oct 20 16:57:21 <javispedro> pupnik: and with that I get gl, audio, touchscreen working. missing is accelerometer, ogg sound, rotation
Oct 20 16:58:06 <pupnik> you are running a *binary* javispedro ?
Oct 20 16:58:10 <javispedro> pupnik: yep
Oct 20 16:58:23 <pupnik> nice
Oct 20 16:58:34 <oshin> SpeedEvil, is there something like microsd compass?
Oct 20 16:58:42 <SpeedEvil> oshin: no.
Oct 20 16:58:46 <javispedro> pupnik: a commercial one fwiw
Oct 20 16:58:53 <SpeedEvil> oshin: I wanted to make one, but the microSD is too thin.
Oct 20 16:59:00 <oshin> SpeedEvil, I see.
Oct 20 16:59:03 <SpeedEvil> oshin: It would e easy to do in a SD
Oct 20 16:59:21 <SpeedEvil> But the available magnetometers are all around 1.5mm thick, and the SD is around 1.3mm thick.
Oct 20 16:59:27 <SpeedEvil> This leads to a packaging problem.
Oct 20 16:59:31 <pupnik> well that'll be a fun thread to see :)
Oct 20 16:59:39 <oshin> SpeedEvil, I think you can have the edge at 1.3 mm?
Oct 20 16:59:52 <SpeedEvil> oshin: not in the n900
Oct 20 16:59:59 <oshin> like it doesn't have to be shaped exactly like microsd for the slot
Oct 20 17:00:09 <SpeedEvil> Tere are seperate specs for microSDIO - but that won't fit.
Oct 20 17:00:52 <SpeedEvil> Unless you tear off the metal cover of the slot - it pretty much does.
Oct 20 17:01:10 <oshin> nice idea
Oct 20 17:01:19 <oshin> or replace with a modified one, 3d printed..
Oct 20 17:01:50 <SpeedEvil> No, tear off is pretty much the only option, there isn't enough room to replace
Oct 20 17:02:31 <javispedro> pupnik: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=846257&postcount=8
Oct 20 17:02:43 <DocScrutinizer51> hooray, blackout :-/
Oct 20 17:02:45 <SpeedEvil> In some ways the easier way is just to open it.
Oct 20 17:02:47 <oshin> i am thinking about printing the back cover.
Oct 20 17:03:34 <oshin> i have some printed stuff here it's very precise.
Oct 20 17:03:58 <SpeedEvil> The hinge pins need to be quite strong too.
Oct 20 17:04:34 <oshin> the material is pretty strong
Oct 20 17:04:50 <oshin> and can bend
Oct 20 17:05:43 <oshin> or may be something optical attached to the front camera?
Oct 20 17:05:53 <oshin> hmm AR need to use camera.. n/m
Oct 20 17:08:14 <Goliath24> build notification emails don't seem to work. a known problem?
Oct 20 17:08:59 <javispedro> Goliath24: what? they do work, I just got one minutes ago
Oct 20 17:09:33 <RST38h> javispedro: java?
Oct 20 17:10:04 <Goliath24> javispedro: I had several failed builds and now a working one and didn't get a notification
Oct 20 17:10:23 <javispedro> RST38h: it's C++. though  clearly from a java me->c++ code translator
Oct 20 17:11:07 <RST38h> javispedro: interesting
Oct 20 17:11:20 <RST38h> javispedro: so it is a palmpre binary running on n900?
Oct 20 17:11:26 <javispedro> RST38h: yep
Oct 20 17:11:41 <javispedro> there's some 3d glitches, but considering I'm not even trying to set any gl attribute at all (like presence of depth buffer =) ) this is better than what I though
Oct 20 17:11:49 <javispedro> s/better/easier
Oct 20 17:12:18 <RST38h> cooooooooool
Oct 20 17:12:27 <RST38h> no way to rotate/zoom the image though?
Oct 20 17:13:16 <javispedro> yes, app already knows what the game thinks is the current screen orientation, so I just need to patch viewport
Oct 20 17:13:46 <javispedro> (and mouse events. hmpf.)
Oct 20 17:15:17 <javispedro> and replicate what accelemymote is doing.
Oct 20 17:16:22 <javispedro> it would be nice to fix the issue with current sdl and rotated screen, btw.
Oct 20 17:16:46 <javispedro> basically, sdl does not refresh its internal list of valid resolutions after a xrandr event properly
Oct 20 17:17:08 <javispedro> I cannot fix that without fixing SDL itself.
Oct 20 17:19:52 <pupnik> why not LD_PRELOAD sdl?
Oct 20 17:21:11 <javispedro> pupnik: forking SDL itself is harder than what I did =). Also, fixing that would benefit native Maemo apps.
Oct 20 17:29:02 <Noobmonk3y> hmm is it possible to upload an already created QT project into gitorious (and overwrite a previous project?)
Oct 20 17:29:08 <Noobmonk3y> (directly from QT)
Oct 20 17:36:04 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, git init, git add ., git commit, git push origin master
Oct 20 17:36:15 <Noobmonk3y> from within qt, not using command line
Oct 20 17:36:24 <Noobmonk3y> i can drag down from gitorious fine
Oct 20 17:36:32 <Noobmonk3y> and create a new project, but can't upload a current one?
Oct 20 17:37:07 * Noobmonk3y pongs toggles :) ::) me again! :P
Oct 20 17:37:36 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, not sure, never used Qt Creator to upload stuff
Oct 20 17:37:42 <MohammadAG> I just learned basic git
Oct 20 17:37:43 <Noobmonk3y> hehe me neither :P
Oct 20 17:37:52 <MohammadAG> and I learned that deleting local files doesn't delete remote ones
Oct 20 17:38:04 <MohammadAG> so I had to wipe the repo clean, then readd it
Oct 20 17:38:56 <Noobmonk3y> lol
Oct 20 17:40:32 <mece> javispedro, ping?
Oct 20 17:40:45 <timeless_mbp> sp3000: eta?
Oct 20 17:40:51 <sp3000> now
Oct 20 17:40:52 * timeless_mbp has picked up a dom telco to pass time
Oct 20 17:41:00 <timeless_mbp> ooh, ok, lemme find a headset
Oct 20 17:41:17 <javispedro> mece: pong
Oct 20 17:42:10 <mece> javispedro, did you copy the sims binaries from a palm pre, or how did that work?
Oct 20 17:42:22 <timeless_mbp> sp3000: ok, where?
Oct 20 17:42:26 <sp3000> timeless_mbp: so lunch was vaguely indian
Oct 20 17:42:30 <javispedro> mece: yes, see backlog for some explanation
Oct 20 17:42:32 <timeless_mbp> ok
Oct 20 17:42:40 * Noobmonk3y meh's
Oct 20 17:42:42 <timeless_mbp> i didn't have lunch
Oct 20 17:42:46 <intelinsider> nice nice nice...
Oct 20 17:42:53 <timeless_mbp> which kinda argues against the slow service place
Oct 20 17:43:03 <intelinsider> i sync my contacts  and a lot of details are away...
Oct 20 17:43:10 <intelinsider> fuck!
Oct 20 17:43:39 <sp3000> timeless_mbp: thai?
Oct 20 17:43:51 * Noobmonk3y grumbles at gitorious
Oct 20 17:43:58 <mece> javispedro, that's pretty sweet :)
Oct 20 17:44:04 <timeless_mbp> yes!
Oct 20 17:44:07 <intelinsider> know anybody this problem?
Oct 20 17:44:23 <timeless_mbp> how about the far/big thai
Oct 20 17:44:49 <mece> javispedro, what about the bit where you actually get the game? can you buy pre games without actually having a pre?
Oct 20 17:45:18 <javispedro> mece: there's a reason I can only try that game.
Oct 20 17:45:27 <javispedro> mece: I mean, that's the reason.
Oct 20 17:46:04 <mece> ok.. hmm
Oct 20 17:46:15 <mece> what's the palm app store called?
Oct 20 17:46:26 <timeless_mbp> sp3000: ok?
Oct 20 17:48:14 <javispedro> mece: "catalog"
Oct 20 17:50:16 <mece> javispedro, did you check what "send to phone" does?
Oct 20 17:50:52 <javispedro> mece: not trying that way. I just got the binary from a colleague's Pre.
Oct 20 17:51:18 <mece> javispedro, ok. Was wondering if one could get a link with the sms or something.. to a installation file or whatnot.
Oct 20 17:53:59 <kerio> Erica: FaceTime is the first mobile device video calling -- this will come as a surprise to anyone who has used mobile video calling on any other devices
Oct 20 17:54:11 <kerio> lol
Oct 20 17:57:20 <javispedro> kerio: that's Apple for you! they invented smartphones, personal computers, the internet, the global menu bar, user friendliness, mp3 players, dvd recorders, ...
Oct 20 17:57:26 <ieatlint> has someone made a comic sans theme for maemo yet?
Oct 20 17:59:07 <RST38h> ...reality distortion field....
Oct 20 18:01:04 <kerio> so...
Oct 20 18:01:06 <kerio> app store for os x
Oct 20 18:01:17 <kerio> i really hope they're not walling down os x too
Oct 20 18:01:19 <javispedro> oh, it's true
Oct 20 18:01:25 <MohammadAG> javispedro, they invented users too
Oct 20 18:01:35 <javispedro> today's the day they release os x++?
Oct 20 18:01:42 <kerio> javispedro: yup
Oct 20 18:01:45 * javispedro forgot
Oct 20 18:01:46 <kerio> os x 10.7 lion
Oct 20 18:01:48 <RST38h> os y!
Oct 20 18:02:14 <RST38h> btw they also invented letters i and x
Oct 20 18:02:41 <javispedro> what's worse is that "invent" stuff they already invent!
Oct 20 18:02:41 <ieatlint> we're all just waiting for the DEA to do a raid on 1 infinite loop
Oct 20 18:02:47 <ieatlint> it'll be a hilarious day
Oct 20 18:02:47 <javispedro> didn't iChat already have video chat?
Oct 20 18:02:54 <javispedro> didn't apple.com already have an OS X app catalog?
Oct 20 18:03:10 <javispedro> s/they already invent/they already have
Oct 20 18:03:13 <ieatlint> ichat isn't on phones or truly mobile devices
Oct 20 18:03:24 <ieatlint> what i don't get is why ichat can't communicate with "facetime"
Oct 20 18:04:43 <javispedro> ieatlint: that's what his steveness is advertising today
Oct 20 18:04:58 <ieatlint> i remember being truly annoyed when the iphone came out in 2007, and i had to deal with apple advertising and friends talking about how it brought all these new things, like a real web browser
Oct 20 18:05:21 <MohammadAG> Apple fails in IL
Oct 20 18:05:32 <MohammadAG> went to see prices of an iPhone for my dad
Oct 20 18:05:33 <ieatlint> "uh, my nokia n80 i bought 14 months ago can do all that, has 3g, video calling, multitasking and 3rd party app development"
Oct 20 18:05:36 <MohammadAG> the lady there was like
Oct 20 18:06:00 <MohammadAG> the iPhone 4 is like the iPhone 3G S, with a better design
Oct 20 18:06:03 <MohammadAG> I was like wtf
Oct 20 18:06:05 <MohammadAG> what about the cam
Oct 20 18:06:10 <MohammadAG> she was like 3.2 is enough
Oct 20 18:06:14 <MohammadAG> i sighed and left
Oct 20 18:06:21 <kerio> why do you even talk to them
Oct 20 18:06:23 <kerio> :<
Oct 20 18:06:29 <javispedro> what use is 5 mpixels for a ugly phone cam
Oct 20 18:06:38 <mece> arsetime!
Oct 20 18:07:32 <mece> (the adult version if facetime)
Oct 20 18:07:32 <ieatlint> apple is currently running adverts here declaring the iphone 4's camera as being the "highest resolution camera ever in a phone"
Oct 20 18:07:42 <kerio> so... builtin drm and 70/30 revenue for devs
Oct 20 18:07:46 <mece> ieatlint, que?
Oct 20 18:08:01 <ieatlint> i'm not sure the claim is untrue :P
Oct 20 18:08:07 <ieatlint> but it's kinda misleading
Oct 20 18:08:15 <kerio> 2010: Apple invents package management
Oct 20 18:08:32 <mece> ieatlint, how is it true?
Oct 20 18:08:43 <ieatlint> mece: name a phone with a higher camera res
Oct 20 18:08:52 <mece> n8
Oct 20 18:09:30 <ShadowJK> 3.2 is enough :)
Oct 20 18:09:42 <ieatlint> hah, ok, not familiar enough with the n8 specs
Oct 20 18:09:43 <ShadowJK> They should start specifying sensor size in mm^2 instead
Oct 20 18:09:49 <MohammadAG> ieatlint, 12MP
Oct 20 18:09:54 <ieatlint> but the n8 isn't on anyone's radar here sadly
Oct 20 18:10:28 <mece> ieatlint, still makes it false advertising. Then again I have no idea what resolution iphone cameras have...
Oct 20 18:10:55 <ieatlint> false advertising here is pretty difficult to prove
Oct 20 18:10:57 <mece> I played with an n8 today.
Oct 20 18:11:14 <mece> ieatlint, where's here?
Oct 20 18:11:17 <ieatlint> i don't even recall the last time someone successfully pulled off a lawsuit for it
Oct 20 18:11:21 <ieatlint> US
Oct 20 18:11:44 <mece> ieatlint, ok.. well I guess false advertising isn't an issue then :)
Oct 20 18:12:15 <slingr> oh the memories
Oct 20 18:12:22 <slingr> i had the n80ie about 3 years ago
Oct 20 18:12:29 <slingr> i miss it. my first nseries phone
Oct 20 18:13:12 <ieatlint> heh, apparently the claim is even more bullshit than i thought, as i'm now seeing the n86 with an 8mp camera
Oct 20 18:14:35 <mece> n80ie was excellent. Great screen on that one.
Oct 20 18:15:17 <mece> HTC Evo has 8Mp too
Oct 20 18:16:04 <ieatlint> i still have my old n80 sitting in a drawer
Oct 20 18:16:22 <mece> I still have my ngage
Oct 20 18:16:44 <mece> I used to play on it every now and then, but became obsolete with my gamegripper :D
Oct 20 18:16:53 <javispedro> ah, already at the "One more thing..." episode.
Oct 20 18:17:08 <mece> wot?
Oct 20 18:17:29 <mece> is steve talking about something right now?
Oct 20 18:17:31 <ieatlint> the n80's connector was screwed though, i had two of them fail
Oct 20 18:17:33 <slingr> mece> mine was actually an N80, i just changed the product code and reflashed to n80ie to have the VOIP stack
Oct 20 18:17:55 <javispedro> mece: yep, trying to sell you a new macbook air! it fills on an envelope!
Oct 20 18:18:02 <javispedro> *fits
Oct 20 18:18:16 <mece> so does my desktop computer..
Oct 20 18:18:18 <mece> :)
Oct 20 18:18:21 <slingr> from the n80, i got the n95-1, then then n95-4 (twice, i lost one), and now i use the n900
Oct 20 18:18:33 <mece> what's the n95-4?
Oct 20 18:18:40 <slingr> 3g for north america
Oct 20 18:18:44 <mece> o
Oct 20 18:19:34 <javispedro> place your bets ladies and gentlemen, is it an arm netbook?
Oct 20 18:19:40 <javispedro> ah bah
Oct 20 18:19:43 <javispedro> too late already
Oct 20 18:19:46 <mece> what was it?
Oct 20 18:19:52 <javispedro> intel
Oct 20 18:20:12 <mece> a netbook nevertheless?
Oct 20 18:20:23 <javispedro> "new" macbook air
Oct 20 18:20:35 <ieatlint> i'm still waiting for the arm netbooks to appear
Oct 20 18:20:36 <mece> to compete with the ipad?
Oct 20 18:20:56 <ieatlint> nah, macbook air will run osx
Oct 20 18:21:12 <ieatlint> it has crazy features like multi-tasking, and full usb support (with required dongle)
Oct 20 18:21:29 <mece> multi tasking? OMG!
Oct 20 18:21:49 <javispedro> and they now even force the SSD version upon you. will it still be $3000? =)
Oct 20 18:22:24 <ieatlint> i thought the macbook air was always ssd-only
Oct 20 18:22:38 <ShadowJK> Maybe the new thing is that it's a ssd that performs like a ssd
Oct 20 18:22:48 <mece> ok, so Pratt, Morris and Knuth walk into a bar
Oct 20 18:22:49 <ieatlint> i only know one person who ever owned a macbook air
Oct 20 18:22:57 <javispedro> and he says "PC industry tests don't reflect real world use". And goes on to proudly present their own battery tests, which is basically "idle + wifi".
Oct 20 18:22:58 <ieatlint> and they hated it... thing had serious heat management issues
Oct 20 18:24:54 <mece> i don't know anyone who had a macbook air
Oct 20 18:25:25 <MohammadAG> I don't know anyone who had a macbook
Oct 20 18:25:40 <mece> what's a macbook?
Oct 20 18:25:42 <javispedro> MohammadAG: this channel is full of them.
Oct 20 18:25:55 <kerio> i have a macbook
Oct 20 18:25:55 <MohammadAG> was talking about rl
Oct 20 18:26:02 <MohammadAG> crashanddi e has one
Oct 20 18:26:06 <MohammadAG> and time less
Oct 20 18:26:09 <kerio> and me!
Oct 20 18:26:13 <MohammadAG> who else
Oct 20 18:26:14 <MohammadAG> hmm
Oct 20 18:26:20 <mece> can't think of anyone..
Oct 20 18:26:21 <ieatlint> i
Oct 20 18:26:24 <ieatlint> 've got a thinkpad
Oct 20 18:26:31 <mece> I've got an n900
Oct 20 18:26:39 <MohammadAG> OMG ME TOO!!1111!
Oct 20 18:26:39 * kerio waves his hands in front of MohammadAG 
Oct 20 18:26:48 <MohammadAG> nope, can't think of anyone who has a macbook
Oct 20 18:27:02 <mece> No-one else? I guess that was everyone here.
Oct 20 18:27:44 * mece giggles at kerios feeble attempt for attention
Oct 20 18:28:06 <mece> is the apple thing over?
Oct 20 18:28:10 <MohammadAG> NOOO
Oct 20 18:28:10 <MohammadAG> Angry Birds Halloween coming Exclusively to iOS Tomorrow
Oct 20 18:28:12 <mece> or is he still bs:ing?
Oct 20 18:28:35 <mece> and for everyone else the day after that.
Oct 20 18:28:44 <MohammadAG> LOL really?
Oct 20 18:28:47 <mece> no.
Oct 20 18:28:50 <mece> well, maybe
Oct 20 18:29:30 <mece> that is some damn good advertising for the angry birds people :)
Oct 20 18:31:18 <ZogG> MohammadAG,
Oct 20 18:31:27 <javispedro> Apple makes the SSD non-user replaceable (now requiring reballing or even worse), and Engadget even praises them for that.
Oct 20 18:32:10 <javispedro> mece: so yes, he's still with the bs.
Oct 20 18:32:15 <mece> hehehe
Oct 20 18:33:00 <MohammadAG> yes?
Oct 20 18:33:13 <ieatlint> MohammadAG,
Oct 20 18:34:19 <mece> ok. I think I'll watch some tv. Ta.
Oct 20 18:34:35 <javispedro> Jobs's done! Number of OS X++ details revelead = 0, profit made = $$$$
Oct 20 18:35:03 * javispedro goes back to hacking after the two minutes of hate
Oct 20 18:40:03 <pupnik> enjoy
Oct 20 18:40:13 <Shapeshifter> how can I unpack a .deb on the n900? I don't have ar and file-roller doesn't seem to work
Oct 20 18:40:28 <slingr> -.-
Oct 20 18:40:47 <slingr> dpkg -i *.deb will install it
Oct 20 18:40:57 <Shapeshifter> I said unpack
Oct 20 18:41:24 <MohammadAG> dpkg-deb -x file.deb .
Oct 20 18:41:42 <slingr> dpkg -x somepackage.deb ~/temp/
Oct 20 18:41:55 <Shapeshifter> MohammadAG: thanks
Oct 20 18:42:46 <Goliath24> I get a /usr/bin/rcc -name resources ../../src/resources.qrc -o qrc_resources.cpp
Oct 20 18:42:46 <Goliath24> RCC: Error in '../../src/resources.qrc': Cannot find file 'Icons/Köln.png'
Oct 20 18:43:07 <MohammadAG> nice name :P
Oct 20 18:43:09 <Goliath24> error when building. what is the encoding I should save the qrc file in for maemo-extras build?
Oct 20 18:43:19 <javispedro> Goliath24: Unless you really feel confident in your encoding skills, I would not use non-ASCII chars.
Oct 20 18:43:35 <Noobmonk3y> :P
Oct 20 18:43:50 <Goliath24> javispedro: shouldn't it be okay to just save the file in another encoding? whats the standard encoding of maemo?
Oct 20 18:44:20 <javispedro> It's UTF-8. The standard encoding of Qt is UTF-16 for all I know, though.
Oct 20 18:44:42 <Goliath24> in qt creator I can save in whatever encoding the maemo build server likes
Oct 20 18:46:34 <javispedro> there's more than that, like what encoding are your file names being saved in whatever tarball you upload to the autobuilder, etc.
Oct 20 18:46:48 <javispedro> is this GNU/Linux, or Window?
Oct 20 18:47:06 <javispedro> and, either way, use ASCII.
Oct 20 18:47:34 <Goliath24> linux, okay, i'll do the renaming :)
Oct 20 18:50:32 <Goliath24> gee, I's the year 2010 and still not everyone is using UTF-8 :/
Oct 20 19:03:53 <phryk> evening
Oct 20 19:04:14 <phryk> today i got an n900 and promptly got the application manager to die horribly.
Oct 20 19:04:22 <phryk> no catalogs, etcpp anymore
Oct 20 19:05:24 <SpeedEvil> Congrats!
Oct 20 19:05:42 <SpeedEvil> If you restart it, does it still act wierd?
Oct 20 19:05:50 <SpeedEvil> And ahve you done anything strange to it?
Oct 20 19:06:02 <Venemo> phryk: see
Oct 20 19:06:05 <Venemo> ~flashing
Oct 20 19:06:05 <infobot> well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Oct 20 19:06:14 <phryk> i tried uninstalling rootsh after doing chmod +s /bin/su
Oct 20 19:06:31 <Venemo> phryk: ensure that the software version you use is the latest. if not, reflash your device to the latest
Oct 20 19:06:34 <phryk> Venemo: i updated the firmware today via the app.manager
Oct 20 19:06:46 <phryk> sources.list is empty o_O
Oct 20 19:07:04 <Venemo> phryk: try reflashing, that is a bit more effective
Oct 20 19:07:22 <phryk> gimme a second
Oct 20 19:07:25 <phryk> how do i reboot that thing?
Oct 20 19:07:33 <phryk> there is neither shutdown nor reboot
Oct 20 19:07:43 <phryk> not even init
Oct 20 19:07:43 <Venemo> long-press power key
Oct 20 19:07:47 <phryk> ah
Oct 20 19:08:03 <Venemo> or single-press, then tap "shutdown" (has the same effect as a long press)
Oct 20 19:08:41 <phryk> ah booting now
Oct 20 19:12:17 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: is there any example code for interacting with the n900 terminal/dbus etc anywhere?
Oct 20 19:12:24 <Noobmonk3y> (i mean c++ 'y)
Oct 20 19:12:36 <phryk> catalogs semm to be back
Oct 20 19:13:29 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, system()
Oct 20 19:13:56 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, QProcess for Qt, but open files with QFile, don't use system("cat /somefile") then read the output
Oct 20 19:14:01 <MohammadAG> that's a very lazy way :P
Oct 20 19:14:06 <Noobmonk3y> lol :P
Oct 20 19:14:12 <Noobmonk3y> thanks :)
Oct 20 19:14:38 <phryk> unistalling rootsh takes forever, maybe it works this time ^^;
Oct 20 19:14:52 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, hint, procwatch.cpp in PSFreedomUI
Oct 20 19:15:00 <Noobmonk3y> cool :0
Oct 20 19:15:03 <MohammadAG> it reads /proc/psfreedom/status, it'll help youi
Oct 20 19:15:05 <MohammadAG> -i
Oct 20 19:16:06 <Venemo> alterego: I got your code from MohammadAG. Nice coding :)
Oct 20 19:16:35 * MohammadAG only gave out a link
Oct 20 19:16:44 <Venemo> true, true
Oct 20 19:16:47 <alterego> Hah
Oct 20 19:16:49 <alterego> I should have uploaded it ages ag o tbh
Oct 20 19:16:54 <alterego> And I'm sure it's buggy to shit
Oct 20 19:17:03 <Venemo> do you have a lib in Extras that has this code?
Oct 20 19:17:16 <alterego> No
Oct 20 19:17:31 <MohammadAG> <alterego> And I'm sure it's buggy to shit << encouraging
Oct 20 19:17:33 <Venemo> would you mind if I put it into one (and of course gave you commit access)
Oct 20 19:17:46 <alterego> MohammadAG: well, I've not found anything wrong with it :P
Oct 20 19:17:58 <alterego> Venemo: sure, feel free :)
Oct 20 19:18:02 <phryk> yeaaaah
Oct 20 19:18:07 <phryk> successfully uninstalled
Oct 20 19:19:54 <Venemo> alterego: of course then I'd expect you to fix your "buggy to shit" code, too :P
Oct 20 19:20:07 <alterego> Heh
Oct 20 19:20:42 <alterego> I might port some of it to MeeGo actually.
Oct 20 19:21:23 <alterego> I'm basically concentrating my development efforts there until PR1.3
Oct 20 19:21:37 <alterego> Mainly because I Alove using Qt 4.7 : and the meego ui framework
Oct 20 19:22:07 <Venemo> :)
Oct 20 19:22:12 <Venemo> is it really that good?
Oct 20 19:23:13 <Venemo> hm... flashing guide to N810 says, "hold down the Swap button"
Oct 20 19:23:17 <Venemo> which is the Swap button?
Oct 20 19:23:28 <alterego> I was a bit uneasy about it when  heard about  all these knew M* widgets, but after reading the introduction I'm sold ;)
Oct 20 19:23:45 <alterego> It's the task switcher button
Oct 20 19:23:58 <Venemo> ah, okay
Oct 20 19:24:17 <phryk> I just remembered that Nokia owns Qt… And thought to myself "Oh, THAT might be why they are using it so much" ^^;
Oct 20 19:24:44 <Venemo> alterego: question: how can I use your Maemo5* classes when compiling to Maemo and the Q* ones when compiling for something else... without #ifdefing the crap
Oct 20 19:25:18 <alterego> Yup, you can't :P
Oct 20 19:26:14 <Venemo> hm, what would happen to the poor N810 if I flashed an N900 image to it?
Oct 20 19:26:49 <BCMM> it would implode, leaving a small black hole that would devour your cat
Oct 20 19:27:15 <alterego> Heh
Oct 20 19:28:29 <Venemo> BCMM: LoL :D
Oct 20 19:28:30 <phryk> can i mount the n900 as mass storage device? if so what kernel driver do i need?
Oct 20 19:28:39 <Venemo> you can, by default
Oct 20 19:28:54 <Venemo> phryk: plug in the USB cable and choose "Mass Storage mode"
Oct 20 19:29:15 <phryk> Venemo: where do i do that?
Oct 20 19:29:57 <Venemo> phryk: a dialog should pop up
Oct 20 19:30:15 <phryk> wtf
Oct 20 19:30:30 <alterego> Heh
Oct 20 19:30:36 <phryk> i plugged the usb thing into the damned rj45 o_O
Oct 20 19:30:41 <phryk> am I drunk?!
Oct 20 19:30:49 <phryk> I didn't even know that could fit o_O
Oct 20 19:31:03 <BCMM> USB-B or A?
Oct 20 19:31:17 <BCMM> USB-B actually fits really neatly in an RJ45
Oct 20 19:31:21 <phryk> Big one, that's b, isn't it?
Oct 20 19:31:24 <BCMM> yeah
Oct 20 19:31:33 <phryk> yep
Oct 20 19:31:38 <BCMM> the one that printers usually have
Oct 20 19:31:38 <phryk> mhh
Oct 20 19:31:42 <BCMM> yeah, that one fits nicely
Oct 20 19:31:52 <phryk> i have no printer
Oct 20 19:31:56 <BCMM> but did you know that an rj45 plug will go into an rj45 socket?
Oct 20 19:31:57 <BCMM> upside down?
Oct 20 19:31:58 <phryk> BCMM: you sound like you did that before^^
Oct 20 19:32:03 <BCMM> with sufficient force
Oct 20 19:32:07 <phryk> :D
Oct 20 19:32:11 <BCMM> no, but my father has done both
Oct 20 19:32:25 <phryk> Thanks, I feel less dumb now ;P
Oct 20 19:32:33 <mgedmin> usb plugs go into rj45 sockets without using excessive force
Oct 20 19:32:35 <BCMM> he had this tiny laptop, which i took apart into many even tinier pieces while clearing up after the upside-down rj45
Oct 20 19:33:21 <BCMM> the necessity of an rj-45 port seemed to have decided the thickness of the laptop, so the case had opened up :)
Oct 20 19:33:47 <mgedmin> and I mean usb a
Oct 20 19:34:07 <mgedmin> I'm not ignorant enough to try plugging usb b into a laptop
Oct 20 19:34:46 <phryk> mgedmin: Leave that to the idiots like me ^^;
Oct 20 19:35:03 <BCMM> i hadn't thought of that; what was the other end plugged in to?
Oct 20 19:35:11 <phryk> the n900
Oct 20 19:35:13 <phryk> the right way
Oct 20 19:35:27 * mgedmin once pushed a disk's IDE cable upside-down, then had to pull the pin out of the body with pliers
Oct 20 19:35:31 <mgedmin> the disk worked fine
Oct 20 19:35:36 <phryk> :D
Oct 20 19:35:43 <phryk> mhh
Oct 20 19:35:51 <phryk> the almost-ide cables had no pins
Oct 20 19:36:00 <phryk> what were they called again… the cdrom ones
Oct 20 19:36:09 <phryk> atapi^^
Oct 20 19:36:30 <mgedmin> really?
Oct 20 19:36:36 <phryk> yes
Oct 20 19:36:41 <mgedmin> because atapi is for CD-ROM's over ATA, which is the official name of IDE
Oct 20 19:36:43 <phryk> i'm pretty sure at least^^
Oct 20 19:36:47 <phryk> yes
Oct 20 19:36:53 <phryk> but the cables were a bit different
Oct 20 19:37:20 <mgedmin> hm
Oct 20 19:37:43 <phryk> maybe it was just a really fucked up cable i had ^^;
Oct 20 19:38:06 <BCMM> mgedmin: i was under the impression that IDE is just an old name for ATA
Oct 20 19:38:15 <BCMM> mgedmin: and ATA is now an old name for PATA
Oct 20 19:38:19 <nox-> moin
Oct 20 19:38:48 <Venemo> lol
Oct 20 19:39:24 <mgedmin> phryk, maybe you had one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panasonic_CD_interface ?
Oct 20 19:40:51 <phryk> maybe the cable…
Oct 20 19:41:05 <phryk> the drive i connected to the ide connector on the mainboard and it worked fine…
Oct 20 19:42:45 <orospakr> How does Maemo on the N900 specify which parititon should be exposed by USB mass storage?
Oct 20 19:43:06 <orospakr> I assume it unmounts it and everything before exposing it.
Oct 20 19:43:25 <orospakr> (I have the latest PR and I want to get rid of the massive VFAT)
Oct 20 19:44:48 <phryk> mhh
Oct 20 19:44:57 <phryk> need to get toecutter on there for a ringtone
Oct 20 19:45:09 * pupnik still thinks that 'The Sims' binary running on N900 is the coolest thing all month
Oct 20 19:45:42 <ds3> hey pupnik, is anyone working on getting the stuff on your website going for the N900?
Oct 20 19:46:24 <pupnik> yes
Oct 20 19:46:26 * phryk ~ Toecutter - XianOvenaxxSoisanteNeuf :: Vomit! (PROB002) [@19% vol]
Oct 20 19:46:31 <phryk> that sounds like a ringtone to me <3
Oct 20 19:50:40 <orospakr> also, what is responsible for generating /etc/fstab?
Oct 20 19:56:50 <jacekowski> orospakr: one of boot scripts
Oct 20 20:08:39 <orospakr> maybe the simplest way to get rid of VFAT is to reformat MyDocs as ext3, and do nothing else.
Oct 20 20:11:16 <orospakr> maybe the right answer is to resize them.  I wonder if I can do an ext3 online resize (grow).
Oct 20 20:21:26 <phryk> oh my god
Oct 20 20:21:33 <phryk> this thing has an fm transmitter
Oct 20 20:21:35 <phryk> <3
Oct 20 20:21:47 <orospakr> aw dang, that won't work: MyDocs is the first partition on the disk.  Maybe if I reformatted it as ext3, copied all of my maemo profile bits into it, and then swapped the IDs around, that might do it.
Oct 20 20:21:52 <orospakr> phryk, it does!
Oct 20 20:22:29 <orospakr> (and then reformatted the former /home partition as vfat if I cared enough)
Oct 20 20:23:51 <orospakr> all problems then would be higher level: MyDocs would still be the mountpoint of this new vfat partition, and I'd want MyDocs to just be a directory right there.
Oct 20 20:24:10 <Venemo> okay
Oct 20 20:24:33 <Venemo> can the N810's backup/restore app restore the contacts from the backup created by the same app on the N900?
Oct 20 20:24:51 <orospakr> problem is, I can't really change what fstab is doing on account of this bootscript thing (I have some vague goal of being compatible so if I upgrade to the next PR things won't completely explode).
Oct 20 20:24:55 <MohammadAG> if it uses sqlite3, yes
Oct 20 20:26:06 <orospakr> maybe another approach would be to reformat mydocs as ext3 and somehow change the mount filesystem type that the bootscripts/fstab generator uses, and change nothing else. I don't care about vfat compatibility for mass storage.
Oct 20 20:26:31 <alterego> Have fun in infinite reboot land orospakr :P
Oct 20 20:26:52 <orospakr> alterego, :(
Oct 20 20:27:12 <RST38h> Ok, lemmings have found leaked PR1.3
Oct 20 20:27:26 <RST38h> with expected results
Oct 20 20:27:29 <orospakr> I don't want to use crappy vfat :(
Oct 20 20:27:41 <orospakr> especially not on a 27 GB volume...
Oct 20 20:27:47 <alterego> RST38h: you're kidding? AGAIN?!
Oct 20 20:27:48 * MohammadAG adds a tmo 127.0.0.1 redirect
Oct 20 20:28:07 <MohammadAG> I just hope they do something useful with it
Oct 20 20:28:11 <MohammadAG> like file bug reports
Oct 20 20:28:23 <RST38h> Mohammad: bug reports on maemo5 are not useful
Oct 20 20:28:37 <MohammadAG> RST38h, QTextBrowser shows black text on a black bg
Oct 20 20:28:49 <MohammadAG> if that stays broken like that, someone's pretty retarded at maemo
Oct 20 20:29:00 <RST38h> but I do hope many of them will brick their devices and go somewhere else, or something :)
Oct 20 20:29:30 <DocScrutinizer> orospakr: almost all your ideas will end in a bootloop and reflash. So why not just reflash and patch the VANILLA (eMMC) image to have /home 25GB instead of 2GB?
Oct 20 20:29:37 <RST38h> Mohammad: SHit happens, and the leaked stuff is 5 weeks earlier than the supposed release stuff
Oct 20 20:31:47 <DocScrutinizer> orospakr: you won't get rid of VFAT completely, without massive edits in initscripts, which in turn will break system on next SSU. And even then... some apps seem to rely on VFAT and its idiocies like no proper users, perms, caseSENSITIVITY
Oct 20 20:34:43 <DocScrutinizer> orospakr: a simple shell neliner on your desktop PC should scratch most of your itches, if you're going to reflash N900. See http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools 2nd box
Oct 20 20:42:25 <MohammadAG> trolls will hate me, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=846447&postcount=46
Oct 20 20:42:52 <Ljrn900> only trolls?
Oct 20 20:44:51 <javispedro> gotta love those.
Oct 20 20:44:55 <MohammadAG> Ljrn900, yes, I never said anything bad
Oct 20 20:45:09 <MohammadAG> I just said the forum holds a lot of bullshit
Oct 20 20:45:14 <MohammadAG> which got censored by the forum
Oct 20 20:45:29 <javispedro> See, mods can censor a forum by deleting posts.
Oct 20 20:45:40 <javispedro> but users can also censor a forum by conveniently forgetting about stuff =)
Oct 20 20:45:53 <nox-> .oO(why do webforums keep reminding me of fidonet...)
Oct 20 20:46:01 <nox-> :)
Oct 20 20:48:12 <javispedro> oh god no
Oct 20 20:48:24 <javispedro> did slashdot just migrate me to the new, slow, javascripty version AGAIN?
Oct 20 20:49:23 <wmarone> yes
Oct 20 20:49:30 * javispedro twitches
Oct 20 20:49:34 <wmarone> I had it disabled too, and now it's back
Oct 20 20:49:44 <javispedro> and I can't find the option!
Oct 20 20:49:46 * javispedro starts to panic
Oct 20 20:50:11 <wmarone> I think it may be permanent :(
Oct 20 20:50:25 <javispedro> http://slashdot.org/my/comments *relief*
Oct 20 20:51:10 <GAN900> Ha
Oct 20 20:52:42 <javispedro> I wonder if some admin just thought "let's punch all those users in the face, and count how many of them set it back to the old system. if count < threshold, kill the old system."
Oct 20 20:54:41 <dreamer> hmmm, I'm trying to get qstardict to work, but tar doesn't seem to do what I want
Oct 20 20:54:52 <dreamer> or is not compiled with bz2?
Oct 20 21:00:59 <javispedro> if it's the messybox one, you can be happy it does even untar things =)
Oct 20 21:01:08 <dreamer> hehe
Oct 20 21:01:29 <javispedro> pull gnutar o gtar iirc, and bz2 ofc.
Oct 20 21:01:45 <dreamer> well, I'm not sure how I can even use qstardict .. because I can't see the ~/.qstardict when hooked to my pc. so I have to do it on my device (n900)
Oct 20 21:02:40 <nox-> untar into another dir and mv the dir afterwards?
Oct 20 21:02:53 <dreamer> hmm, yeah I guess :/
Oct 20 21:03:12 <dreamer> there is tar-gnu in the repo though
Oct 20 21:03:30 <nox-> yeah thats the other option as javispedro said
Oct 20 21:05:21 <dreamer> k, I'll do that then ;)
Oct 20 21:05:29 <dreamer> want my device to be as independent as possible ;)
Oct 20 21:09:48 <dreamer> gah -> gtar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No Such file or directory
Oct 20 21:10:13 * Noobmonk3y is actually getting somewhere with QT/c++
Oct 20 21:10:16 <Noobmonk3y> wohooooooooooo
Oct 20 21:10:25 <alterego> Noobmonk3y: (thumbs up)
Oct 20 21:10:30 <Noobmonk3y> hehehe :)
Oct 20 21:10:53 <Noobmonk3y> So far (3 days in) i have an autorotating menu with stackablewidgets, and i'm reading in values, with the layouts working correctly!
Oct 20 21:11:10 <dreamer> ah, bzip2 was not installed .. -doh-
Oct 20 21:11:11 <Noobmonk3y> next step is to get the threading class working (just to eat the battery lol) - then replicate the value reading in!
Oct 20 21:11:21 <Noobmonk3y> and by 3 days i mean about 6 hours lol -
Oct 20 21:11:34 <dreamer> haha
Oct 20 21:11:38 <Noobmonk3y> Healthcheck V3 due sometime around xmas at this rate!
Oct 20 21:11:44 <Noobmonk3y> lol dreamer
Oct 20 21:11:55 <dreamer> Noobmonk3y: I've been wanting to play with QT/c++ for a while .. just not able to find the time -_-
Oct 20 21:12:30 <Noobmonk3y> hehe :) its not quite as bad as i thought, just the learning c++ that is a mind bender!
Oct 20 21:14:00 <dreamer> finding time is quite a problem here hehe
Oct 20 21:14:16 <javispedro> pfft. the pre sdl_mixer even has some optimizations for arm/neon.
Oct 20 21:14:24 * javispedro grabs, might even package it for maemo native apps.
Oct 20 21:14:28 <GAN900> Nice
Oct 20 21:14:34 <Noobmonk3y> lol know the feeling, been 3/4 months since i last updated healthcheck, so finally got of my ass. The GF has started sign language, so at least 1 day a week i have 3 or so hours spare :)
Oct 20 21:14:38 <GAN900> Pre 2 is purty.
Oct 20 21:14:48 <Noobmonk3y> GAN900: wash your mouth out lol
Oct 20 21:15:30 <javispedro> I've always said it has been like, my "second option" after Maemo.
Oct 20 21:15:41 <javispedro> it's the most Maemo-like by a large, large margin.
Oct 20 21:16:13 <javispedro> (well, save for Openmoko and the like)
Oct 20 21:16:22 <Noobmonk3y> hehehe
Oct 20 21:16:57 <BCMM> anyone else occasionally find their n900 won't turn on?
Oct 20 21:17:09 <BCMM> and is there a better way to fix it then popping the battery out for a moment?
Oct 20 21:17:09 <javispedro> BCMM: curiously enough, this morning.
Oct 20 21:17:49 <Noobmonk3y> ooo interesting not had that yet :|
Oct 20 21:18:00 <javispedro> BCMM: I also fixed it that way. I think I left it with a NFS mount, entered a reboot loop, and emptied the battery. was your battery empty?
Oct 20 21:18:06 <Noobmonk3y> was just telling mo, next april is when i get a new device, so a while to go :P
Oct 20 21:18:13 <Noobmonk3y> still loving the n900 :)
Oct 20 21:18:54 <javispedro> Noobmonk3y: the device itself has a lot of problems -- slow, capacitive, lo res screen, ...
Oct 20 21:19:05 <Noobmonk3y> the n900? lol
Oct 20 21:19:12 <Noobmonk3y> thank god i aint that geeky, mines been fine :)
Oct 20 21:19:13 <javispedro> no =) the Pre.
Oct 20 21:19:16 <Noobmonk3y> oh!
Oct 20 21:19:19 <Noobmonk3y> :)
Oct 20 21:19:29 <Noobmonk3y> or the pre 2?
Oct 20 21:19:40 <javispedro> dunno, I've only tried 1.
Oct 20 21:19:52 <Noobmonk3y> lol pre2 not out yet though isnt it? its the new model to come?
Oct 20 21:20:04 <javispedro> I think it's out already.
Oct 20 21:20:12 <BCMM> javispedro: nope
Oct 20 21:20:19 <javispedro> :P
Oct 20 21:20:22 <Noobmonk3y> http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/index.html#tab4
Oct 20 21:20:25 <BCMM> javispedro: it just does that occasionally
Oct 20 21:20:45 <BCMM> i vaguely suspect that trying to turn it on while plugging it into a charger might do it
Oct 20 21:20:46 <Noobmonk3y> actually - http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre2/index.html#tab2
Oct 20 21:20:48 <BCMM> but i'm not sure
Oct 20 21:20:54 <Noobmonk3y> still not that great i agree
Oct 20 21:21:18 <Noobmonk3y> will stick with a more powered device i feel
Oct 20 21:21:55 <Noobmonk3y> BCMM: yeah i've had that before, if you try to do it too quickly, seems to be an order needed at times, but then i just unplug, wait 2 seconds and turn on
Oct 20 21:22:31 <javispedro> BCMM: mine does it around 2 o 3 times a year.
Oct 20 21:31:21 <dreamer> so, I'm trying FF4 beta, but it doesn't find the flashplayer. anyone know how I can enable this?
Oct 20 21:43:15 <nox-> last i tried ff4 on maemo they still had plugins disabled (video was too jerky), so unless they fixed that now...
Oct 20 21:45:42 <Noobmonk3y> how do i call a function from another class/file in c++?
Oct 20 21:46:02 <Noobmonk3y> oh my fault
Oct 20 21:46:05 <Noobmonk3y> lol ignore me
Oct 20 21:46:14 <dreamer> nox-: yeah, finally found a thread on it .. it's still very much beta I guess, but they say youtube should work (but the suggested youtube-enabler is not available)
Oct 20 21:46:55 <dreamer> but, the features in FF4 are much MUCH nicer then fennec I must say
Oct 20 21:47:06 <Noobmonk3y> meh time for bed i feel!
Oct 20 21:47:11 <Noobmonk3y> nit alls
Oct 20 21:47:12 <dreamer> except I can't circle-zoom ;)
Oct 20 21:47:16 <dreamer> yeah, here too
Oct 20 21:47:16 <dreamer> nn
Oct 20 21:59:30 <pupnik> http://slashdot.org/story/10/10/20/1958209/UK-To-Track-All-Browsing-Email-and-Phone-Calls    "The UK government plans to introduce legislation that will allow the police to track every phone call, email, text message and website visit made by the public. The information will include who is contacting whom, when and where and which websites are visited, but not the content of the conversations or messages. Every communications provider will be req
Oct 20 21:59:44 <wmarone> yes, we can read slashdot too
Oct 20 22:01:05 <pupnik> notice to UK residents...
Oct 20 22:01:20 <wmarone> oh and you had to go poo across both meego channels too...
Oct 20 22:04:03 <nox-> .oO(so if `1984' wasnt true yet it soon will be... ):
Oct 20 22:06:07 * oshin prays 1.3 fixed #10747
Oct 20 22:06:33 <kerio> pupnik: England prevails!
Oct 20 22:06:59 <javispedro> ave imperator!
Oct 20 22:07:45 <pupnik> this isn't productive use of resources or human time
Oct 20 22:12:43 <Scelt> bug 10747
Oct 20 22:12:44 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10747 Corrupted Thai text in conversation input box when using backspace.
Oct 20 22:15:28 <oshin> Scelt, can produce that for me if you have leaked 1.3?
Oct 20 22:15:44 <Scelt> don have
Oct 20 22:15:52 <oshin> ok, thanks.
Oct 20 22:24:12 <andre__> oshin: "Status: NEW" in that bug report is quite clear compared to "RESOLVED FIXED", isn't it?
Oct 20 22:24:54 <oshin> andre__, it was close source and I wonder if the bug was handled internally
Oct 20 22:25:22 <oshin> as if it weren't i would have fixed it already.
Oct 20 22:25:32 <andre__> oshin, if there was any internal feedback I would have forwarded it to bugs.maemo.org. There wasn't. :-(
Oct 20 22:25:41 <oshin> :/
Oct 20 22:25:45 <andre__> Nokia, master of silence.
Oct 20 22:26:00 <oshin> X(
Oct 20 22:26:44 <oshin> it wasn't broken in 1.1
Oct 20 22:27:02 <oshin> may be i could flash back and copy the conversation
Oct 20 22:29:03 <oshin> can i disable smiley in conversations ?
Oct 20 22:30:47 <oshin> found, wouldn't help
Oct 20 22:32:37 <oshin> I wonder if I could do something around /usr/share/rtcom-messaging-ui/html
Oct 20 22:36:23 <oshin> anyone has the content of that dir from PR 1.1?
Oct 20 22:42:23 * GAN900 boggles at Mac App store.
Oct 20 22:42:33 * SpeedEvil sighs.
Oct 20 22:42:39 <GAN900> And so begins the commoditization of OS X software.
Oct 20 22:43:13 <nox-> ..and soon osx needs to be `jailbroken' too?
Oct 20 22:45:05 <GAN900> nox-, Apple Computer, Inc. -> Apple, Inc. was an evil change.
Oct 20 22:45:22 <GAN900> What's Canonical's cut on the Ubuntu Store?
Oct 20 22:47:56 * rtyler points to /topic
Oct 20 22:48:01 * rtyler ducks
Oct 20 22:54:18 <DocScrutinizer> oshin:
Oct 20 22:54:22 <DocScrutinizer> Nokia-N900-02-8:~# ls -l /usr/share/rtcom-messaging-ui/html/
Oct 20 22:54:23 <DocScrutinizer> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         1920 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsChatConversation.css
Oct 20 22:54:24 <DocScrutinizer> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         5627 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsChatConversation.html
Oct 20 22:54:26 <DocScrutinizer> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        24642 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsChatConversation.js
Oct 20 22:54:27 <DocScrutinizer> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         3203 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsSMSConversation.css
Oct 20 22:54:29 <DocScrutinizer> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         2494 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsSMSConversation.html
Oct 20 22:54:31 <DocScrutinizer> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        27731 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsSMSConversation.js
Oct 20 22:54:32 <DocScrutinizer> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         3090 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsSingleSMS.css
Oct 20 22:54:34 <DocScrutinizer> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         2768 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsSingleSMS.html
Oct 20 22:54:35 <DocScrutinizer> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        10184 Dec  8  2009 MessagingWidgetsSingleSMS.js
Oct 20 22:54:39 <DocScrutinizer> oops, this looks quite like spamming now... sorry
Oct 20 22:54:52 <oshin> cool
Oct 20 22:54:57 <oshin> can I have that?
Oct 20 22:55:08 <oshin> you didn't upgrade?
Oct 20 22:56:12 <oshin> would you tar zcvf /home/user/MyDocs/sendme.tgz /usr/share/rtcom-messaging-ui | mail object@gmail.com ?
Oct 20 22:56:50 <oshin> er wonder if can pass binary just like that heh
Oct 20 22:57:03 <oshin> mmencode!
Oct 20 22:58:01 <nox-> or mime attach...
Oct 20 22:58:20 <oshin> X)
Oct 20 22:59:38 <oshin> well, just no need to create the tgz i copied that from another window and forgot to remove
Oct 20 23:00:22 <oshin> (btw)
Oct 20 23:07:19 <DocScrutinizer> oshin: pm
Oct 20 23:07:28 <oshin> DocScrutinizer, thanks.
Oct 20 23:48:35 <DocScrutinizer> I hope my pastebomb hasn't nuked the channel permanently :-)
Oct 20 23:48:40 <DocScrutinizer> ~bark
Oct 20 23:48:41 * infobot barks, like a rabid dog.
Oct 20 23:50:20 <jpinx-eeepc> what did you do?
Oct 20 23:51:10 <ieatlint> you've scarred us all with your css javascript mess
Oct 20 23:51:43 * SpeedEvil sighs at stupid t-mobile.
Oct 20 23:52:03 <SpeedEvil> I was trying to debug my pppd - when I realised it wouldn't connect normally.
Oct 20 23:53:33 <oshin> :)
Oct 20 23:54:18 <pupnik> it would be so convenient if my laptop had a decent fm transmitter
Oct 20 23:54:35 <pupnik> i bought an external one but it sucks
Oct 20 23:57:24 <jpinx-eeepc> anyone know why my n900 has decided it doesn't want to mount my fs.image? mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /home/user/MyDocs/chrootmountpoint/ failed: Invalid argument
Oct 21 00:12:07 <_chun> Is there any way to take a picture with the camera via the terminal in maemo5?
Oct 21 00:15:38 <ds3> gstreamer?
Oct 21 00:17:11 <oshin> thinking of some small app which launch camera and send xevent for the shutter key
Oct 21 00:17:59 <oshin> or just hack fcamera a bit?
Oct 21 00:22:07 <pupnik> http://pandaboard.org/  wheeeee omap4 dev board now shipping - $179
Oct 21 00:24:01 <ds3> now go try to buy silicon ;)
Oct 21 00:28:47 * SpeedEvil is pondering buying a kilo of silicon.
Oct 21 00:30:39 <SpeedEvil> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/360-Watts-Mono-Solar-Cells-6x6-Broken-1KG-1-2-cells-/200520270540?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eaff082cc
Oct 21 00:32:47 <pupnik> ttp://blog.adl.pl/android-makes-me-cry/539   "I have been using Nokia N900 as a primary mobile phone for nearly a year now and I am quite happy with it. However, quite recently I’ve also bought the best value-for-money Android 2.1 device you can currenly get..."
Oct 21 00:33:13 <pupnik> http://blog.adl.pl/android-makes-me-cry/539   "I have been using Nokia N900 as a primary mobile phone for nearly a year now and I am quite happy with it. However, quite recently I’ve also bought the best value-for-money Android 2.1 device you can currenly get..."
Oct 21 00:35:42 <DocScrutinizer> ieatlint: yeah, wasn't nice to just annoy you with a ls, while keeping the content for myself
Oct 21 00:35:54 <DocScrutinizer> wait a minute, I'll paste the full plain text content
Oct 21 00:36:26 <oshin> something's wrong with the matrix
Oct 21 00:37:10 <SpeedEvil> oshin: what are you wanting to do?
Oct 21 00:37:20 <oshin> i saw pupnik deja-vu
Oct 21 00:37:55 <jpinx-eeepc> is there a way to get full syslog working in maemo -- like debians /var/log/syslog to make debugging easier/possible?
Oct 21 00:38:07 <SpeedEvil> apt-get install syslogd
Oct 21 00:38:10 <SpeedEvil> buyt it's a bit broken
Oct 21 00:38:28 <SpeedEvil> you need to killall -HUP syslogd to get it to write it in /home/user/var/log/syslog
Oct 21 00:39:00 <jpinx-eeepc> SpeedEvil: :(  I'll give it a whirl - when do I do that killall - every reboot?
Oct 21 00:39:26 <SpeedEvil> I cheat.
Oct 21 00:39:39 <SpeedEvil> I stick it in a 'queen beecon'  - that is on the desktop
Oct 21 00:40:02 <SpeedEvil> It does mount /home/user/data - a large ext2 and other stuff
Oct 21 00:40:18 <SpeedEvil> there is a right way to do this, but I can't be bothered screwing with /etc/
Oct 21 00:40:28 <jpinx-eeepc> ?
Oct 21 00:40:42 <jpinx-eeepc> is it documented anywhere?
Oct 21 00:41:53 <SpeedEvil> no
Oct 21 00:42:23 <oshin> should I install some boot menu?
Oct 21 00:42:37 <SpeedEvil> oshin: ?
Oct 21 00:42:38 <oshin> hmm we have had this conversation.
Oct 21 00:42:56 <oshin> SpeedEvil, like if my system went into a boot loop, may be some boot menu can help
Oct 21 00:43:08 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/Queen_BeeCon_Widget
Oct 21 00:43:11 <SpeedEvil> I dunno about that.
Oct 21 00:43:29 <SpeedEvil> I just avoided screwing with it, as the queen beecon runs on desktop coming up.
Oct 21 00:44:03 <pupnik> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Orange-San-Francisco-ZTE-Blade-Android-New-Unlocked-NEW-/180571953882?pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item2a0aed5ada#ht_500wt_1156    128 GBP!   800x480  etc
Oct 21 00:44:27 <oshin> well for any possible accident
Oct 21 00:44:48 <oshin> i should just backup
Oct 21 00:45:51 <ieatlint> who named that the "san francisco"?
Oct 21 00:46:19 <pupnik> heh
Oct 21 00:46:36 <pupnik> that says some scary things about price competition nokia faces in 2011
Oct 21 00:46:53 * oshin goes backup
Oct 21 00:46:56 <ieatlint> it wouldn't exactly work too well in san francisco without any 3g support :P
Oct 21 00:47:28 <SpeedEvil> pupnik: yes.
Oct 21 00:48:37 <SpeedEvil> However - ebay is not a source of pricing.
Oct 21 00:48:48 <SpeedEvil> As you can't tell what channels things are coming from.
Oct 21 00:48:55 <SpeedEvil> Can you order 10 at that price
Oct 21 00:49:02 <pupnik> i think the price direct from orange was 150
Oct 21 00:49:41 <nox-> that with a contract tho?
Oct 21 00:49:46 <pupnik> no, unlocked
Oct 21 00:49:51 <nox-> oh
Oct 21 00:49:53 <pupnik> oh from orange
Oct 21 00:49:58 <nox-> yeah
Oct 21 00:49:59 * jpinx-eeepc installed queen bee widget thingie ;)
Oct 21 00:50:00 <pupnik> locked from orange but codes are cheap
Oct 21 00:50:42 <nox-> i germany the police is going after phone unlocking `services' now... o_O
Oct 21 00:51:01 <nox-> (as if they dont have more important things to do)
Oct 21 00:51:10 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: seems my pr1.1 syslog works flawlessly logging to /var/log/syslog
Oct 21 00:51:29 <DocScrutinizer> dunno about pr1.2, had to check, mompls
Oct 21 00:51:34 <jpinx-eeepc> DocScrutinizer: do tell ? :)
Oct 21 00:52:39 <DocScrutinizer> meh, need to force it into my wlan :-P
Oct 21 00:54:34 <SpeedEvil> Here I think it tries to log to /home/user before it's mounted
Oct 21 00:55:21 <DocScrutinizer> meh, last log is from Oct 12, and logger test does nuttin
Oct 21 00:55:34 <DocScrutinizer> in /var/log/syslog
Oct 21 00:55:38 <DocScrutinizer> :-o
Oct 21 00:55:52 <nox-> need to SIGHUP?
Oct 21 00:56:14 <oshin> my head spin, bb
Oct 21 00:57:05 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, but I definitely never did, and sighup would change log to /home/var/blah/blub/foo/syslog, according to SpeedEvil - my last logline from 2010-10-12 is in /var/log/syslog though
Oct 21 00:57:46 <SpeedEvil> Dunno why
Oct 21 00:57:57 <SpeedEvil> I guess it must be an older version of syslog?
Oct 21 00:58:05 <DocScrutinizer> sighup WHAT?
Oct 21 00:58:12 <SpeedEvil> killall -HUP syslogd
Oct 21 00:58:22 <DocScrutinizer> meh, it's not started XP
Oct 21 00:58:39 * DocScrutinizer larts upstart
Oct 21 00:58:56 <SpeedEvil> I diddn't do anything other than apt-get install syslogd
Oct 21 00:59:33 <DocScrutinizer> and I can't find sys* in init.d/
Oct 21 00:59:52 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Oct 21 01:00:08 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: what's your startscript called?
Oct 21 01:00:40 <DocScrutinizer> or is that an upstart event script?
Oct 21 01:00:59 <SpeedEvil> I don't know.
Oct 21 01:01:07 <SpeedEvil> I haven't done anything.
Oct 21 01:03:34 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# find /etc/init.d /etc/event.d/ -name '*sys*' -o -name '*sys*'
Oct 21 01:03:40 <DocScrutinizer> :-(
Oct 21 01:03:55 <DocScrutinizer> who made /var/log/syslog for me?
Oct 21 01:04:55 <SpeedEvil> ls -l /etc/event.d/sysklogd
Oct 21 01:04:55 <SpeedEvil> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          419 Aug 17  2009 /etc/event.d/sysklogd
Oct 21 01:05:08 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# cat installed-aps.sh | grep syslog ; suggests I never installed syslog on the new one
Oct 21 01:05:20 <DocScrutinizer> k
Oct 21 01:05:28 <DocScrutinizer> thanks, and sorry for pestering
Oct 21 01:05:33 <SpeedEvil> np
Oct 21 01:07:28 <DocScrutinizer> 19056 root      1620 S    /sbin/syslogd -n ; 19137 root      2820 S    /sbin/klogd -n ; :-D much better
Oct 21 01:09:15 <DocScrutinizer> Oct 12 01:15:27 IroN900 cellmo-watch[894]: Link UP: MCU-SW Ver: V ICPR82_10w08, 25-02-10, RX-51, (c) Nokia
Oct 21 01:09:16 <DocScrutinizer> Oct 21 03:02:49 IroN900 syslogd 1.5.0#5maemo7+0m5: restart.
Oct 21 01:09:18 <DocScrutinizer> Oct 21 03:02:50 IroN900 kernel: klogd 1.5.0#5maemo7+0m5, log source = /proc/kmsg started.
Oct 21 01:09:23 <jpinx-eeepc> nok - I installed syslogd, mkdir /home/user/var/log . did killall _HUP syslogd, and went to do /etc/init.d/syslogd - but it's not there. What to do?
Oct 21 01:09:24 <DocScrutinizer> still /var/log/sayslog
Oct 21 01:10:03 <DocScrutinizer> jpinx-eeepc: I did apt-get nstall syslogd, no starting, no nothing
Oct 21 01:10:22 <DocScrutinizer> logs to /var/log/syslog here
Oct 21 01:10:32 <jpinx-eeepc> ah - let me look thre
Oct 21 01:11:27 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# df -h /var/log/syslog
Oct 21 01:11:29 <DocScrutinizer> Dateisystem           Size  Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf
Oct 21 01:11:30 <DocScrutinizer> ubi0:rootfs           228M  146M   79M  65% /
Oct 21 01:11:38 <jpinx-eeepc> yep - it's there - thanks guys
Oct 21 01:12:06 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: sure you didn't edit your syslog.conf ?
Oct 21 01:12:21 <SpeedEvil> 99.99%
Oct 21 01:12:55 <DocScrutinizer> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1278 2009-08-17 12:02 /etc/syslog.conf
Oct 21 01:13:32 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# md5sum /etc/syslog.conf
Oct 21 01:13:33 <DocScrutinizer> 6f616f9a94030b05c84814128c4bbd1e  /etc/syslog.conf
Oct 21 01:13:43 <SpeedEvil> prhaps
Oct 21 01:14:00 <pupnik> have you seen/read much of Bada OS? (samsung)  - it's like zero community in english speaking realm or what
Oct 21 01:14:17 <SpeedEvil> I know I edeted it, I diddn't think I moved it.
Oct 21 01:14:25 <DocScrutinizer> it's "a hickup" </quote raster>
Oct 21 01:14:57 <SpeedEvil> Actually - I probably did.
Oct 21 01:15:01 <SpeedEvil> As syslog is on /
Oct 21 01:15:21 <SpeedEvil> Sorrry for the confusion.
Oct 21 01:15:34 <DocScrutinizer> np, happy to help make it clear
Oct 21 01:16:53 <pupnik> "The Wave S8500′s much-hyped 720p HD video recording is great, until the camera app locks up and demands the battery be pulled before you can use the phone again."
Oct 21 01:17:15 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, probably pkg syslog should depend on pkg logrotate
Oct 21 01:17:59 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik: hrhr
Oct 21 01:18:39 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, my stylus - it has a notch running the entire length of it now
Oct 21 01:18:50 <lcuk> but it inserts/removes itself easier :)
Oct 21 01:20:59 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: wow, what a hack
Oct 21 01:21:17 <lcuk> heh
Oct 21 01:21:31 <lcuk> lateral thinking ;)
Oct 21 01:21:42 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it even feels better now to hold the stylus
Oct 21 01:23:24 * DocScrutinizer pokes with stylus in N900, trying to catch that spring
Oct 21 01:24:03 <lcuk> heh
Oct 21 02:10:01 * GAN900 groans
Oct 21 02:10:08 <GAN900> Good food, good wine.
Oct 21 02:10:37 <ieatlint> i want some
Oct 21 02:11:51 <GAN900> ieatlint, if only we had replicators.
Oct 21 02:12:07 * GAN900 torrents a new Macbook air.
Oct 21 02:13:17 <ieatlint> well, i do have a car and a grocery store
Oct 21 02:13:25 <ieatlint> but that would involve me putting on pants
Oct 21 02:14:51 * SpeedEvil has about 3 months food, before it gets boring.
Oct 21 02:17:05 <javispedro> wow
Oct 21 02:17:21 <javispedro> this sims game looks beatiful in 800x480 =)
Oct 21 02:18:19 <SpeedEvil> Is there in principle a way to legitimately buy it without using another device?
Oct 21 02:18:55 <javispedro> none that I know of.
Oct 21 02:20:09 <javispedro> ... in fact you could argue there's no legitimate way to even extract the binaries from the device ...
Oct 21 02:20:19 <javispedro> depending on your legislation.
Oct 21 02:20:52 <pupnik_> javispedro: how did you rotate/stretch?
Oct 21 02:21:12 <javispedro> pupnik_: hacking glLoadIdentity to return .. not the identity matrix =)
Oct 21 02:21:21 <pupnik_> awesome
Oct 21 02:22:00 <javispedro> it causes some artifacts, though, so I guess I should render at native and rescale, but at least i can see how it would look if someone started doing real commercial stuff for N900
Oct 21 02:22:28 <pupnik_> start a business
Oct 21 02:22:31 <SpeedEvil> What does the 'emulator' stack look like?
Oct 21 02:23:22 <javispedro> SpeedEvil: you mean, a general overview of used/patched components?
Oct 21 02:23:42 <SpeedEvil> yes
Oct 21 02:24:01 <javispedro> it is not an emulator at all -- binaries are run as is, with the stock dynamic loader
Oct 21 02:24:10 <javispedro> there's just like 11 stub libraries
Oct 21 02:24:18 <SpeedEvil> yeah - why I put the quotes in.
Oct 21 02:24:21 <SpeedEvil> neat
Oct 21 02:24:26 <javispedro> most of which would not actually be needed if this one binary had been built --as-needed
Oct 21 02:24:39 <nox-> that sounds like some `hacking' job :)
Oct 21 02:24:46 <javispedro> a big mess of an LD_PRELOAD hack which I'm trying to clean
Oct 21 02:24:56 <nox-> what was the binary for orgininally?
Oct 21 02:25:09 <javispedro> and the WebOS' own version of SDL_mixer
Oct 21 02:25:12 <rokr1> hey is the bug for dns resolution solved
Oct 21 02:25:14 <javispedro> (compiled frm source)
Oct 21 02:25:14 <rokr1> ??
Oct 21 02:25:15 <pupnik_> palm pre
Oct 21 02:25:29 <nox-> bbl
Oct 21 02:25:42 <rokr1> or is there  any work around for dns resolution?
Oct 21 02:25:59 <SpeedEvil> WRT what?
Oct 21 02:36:25 <rokr1> hey is the BUG#995 DNS resolution ignores local domain resloved ??
Oct 21 02:36:26 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=995 DNS resolution ignores local domain
Oct 21 02:36:39 <rokr1> any solutions
Oct 21 02:36:40 <rokr1> ??
Oct 21 02:38:25 <cehteh> iirc works for me at least on the n900, does the n770 use this dnsmasq proxy too?
Oct 21 02:38:46 <cehteh> you have to tweak the config a little then
Oct 21 02:39:01 <cehteh> (and no, i didnt read the whole discussion on that bug)
Oct 21 02:39:12 <rokr1> can u help me with that
Oct 21 02:39:38 <rokr1> /etc/resolv.conf has nameserver 127.0.0.1
Oct 21 02:40:12 <cehteh> read the dnsmasq manpage.. well first check that the n770 uses that actually
Oct 21 02:40:37 <rokr1> and /var/run/resolv.conf.wlan0
Oct 21 02:40:50 <rokr1> i have N900
Oct 21 02:42:04 <rokr1> then i have to write a script when wlan0 or gprs0 or tap0 is up
Oct 21 02:42:48 <cehteh> see comment #3
Oct 21 02:42:50 <rokr1> then replace 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf to nameserver 192.168.x.x
Oct 21 02:43:23 <rokr1> i dont have a domain name
Oct 21 02:43:24 <cehteh> actually thats what i've changed :)
Oct 21 02:43:45 <rokr1> i have tomato
Oct 21 02:43:51 <rokr1> firmware
Oct 21 02:43:54 <cehteh> eh so whats your proble then? the bug talks about that probelm
Oct 21 02:44:15 * cehteh is to tired to type ...
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