**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 25 02:59:57 2010 Oct 25 03:01:53 nooooooooo Oct 25 03:01:58 not real life Oct 25 03:02:02 * raster kicks real life in the nuts Oct 25 03:38:59 any success cehteh? Oct 25 03:40:12 doing other things, no time Oct 25 06:22:29 where's MNZ :( Oct 25 06:23:09 my pulseaudio sucks, i have to let out my anger at someone Oct 25 06:23:33 Why MNZ? Oct 25 06:24:08 There is plenty of others that can be forsaken. Oct 25 06:46:52 If I can't find the wireless-tools and python-location in the extras-devel... Where to get them? Oct 25 07:07:32 anyone have a scratchbox install running? Oct 25 07:09:20 could someone run an apt-get update? Oct 25 08:21:49 tekojo: apt-get update works fine Oct 25 08:26:16 rmrfchik: thanks Oct 25 08:32:15 hey Oct 25 08:48:46 Ah, PR1.3. Oct 25 08:49:21 omg what where?! Oct 25 08:49:26 does one have idea why 'ar' binary is not linked dynamically agaisnt libbfd on armv7 ? Oct 25 08:49:37 hmhm, will have to wait this evening :) Oct 25 08:50:10 * against Oct 25 08:50:47 RST38h not out yet Oct 25 08:50:55 !pr1.3 Oct 25 08:50:59 ~pr1,3 Oct 25 08:51:03 ~pr1.3 Oct 25 08:51:03 STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever Oct 25 08:51:42 ZogG: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/n900 Oct 25 08:51:50 "Latest software release for Nokia N900 is 20.2010.36-2" Oct 25 08:51:52 mece - so? Oct 25 08:52:03 mece it's test release Oct 25 08:52:20 and the most trustfull info is dev-nokia Oct 25 08:52:27 why would they mention a test release on the official support page? Oct 25 08:52:30 that makes no sense Oct 25 08:52:41 mece likethose thing never happened Oct 25 08:53:00 why would they mention the release of the 32 week when it's 42 week now? Oct 25 08:53:32 is maemo libfkash only in /usr/lib/browser/plugins? Oct 25 08:55:00 ZogG: what's libfkash? Oct 25 08:55:35 libflash* Oct 25 08:55:59 timeless_mbp just replaced libflash.so with the one from android Oct 25 08:56:06 nt working =) Oct 25 08:56:08 ZogG, well it says 36 there, and they would not release this weeks build this week, since that would not have been tested yet. And uk users got pr1.2 over ssu before it appeared on tablets-dev. So both points are null and void. Doesn't mean pr1.3 is out though. Oct 25 08:56:14 "nt"? Oct 25 08:56:39 mece: fwiw, releases do end up having rather old numbers Oct 25 08:56:41 mece let's pray for best, maybe they are pissed of leaked release? Oct 25 08:56:42 tablets-dev has historically gotten releases later, quite a bit of the time Oct 25 08:56:52 timeless_mbp, that's what I meant. Oct 25 08:56:52 cause if it's the same as the leaked one - it's not that cool =( Oct 25 08:57:17 36-2 is the right release though Oct 25 08:57:20 so it should be pr1.3 Oct 25 08:57:21 There are always 3 places where updates are released. Oct 25 08:57:25 it's what i've been running for a while Oct 25 08:57:37 X-Fade on my phone, yours and nokia lab? Oct 25 08:57:42 timeless_mbp, thanks Oct 25 08:57:42 heh Oct 25 08:57:44 For windows flasher on nokia.com, for linux on tablets-dev and SSU. Oct 25 08:57:53 but than it means leaked one was final pr1.3? Oct 25 08:58:01 eyup Oct 25 08:58:10 that is not sweet =( Oct 25 08:58:12 ZogG: if you call leaking it to nokia.com a leak Oct 25 08:58:25 1)there were more bugfixes after Oct 25 08:58:25 * timeless_mbp finds that to be an amusing way to leak something Oct 25 08:58:43 timeless_mbp: well it's been out on teh intertubes for a couple of weeks Oct 25 08:58:44 ZogG: you'd rather people wait *another* two months? Oct 25 08:58:55 timeless_mbp, maybe Nokia got it from forum with leaked one and released it? Oct 25 08:59:06 timeless_mbp i would wait for better release Oct 25 08:59:13 ... Oct 25 08:59:18 you're nuts Oct 25 08:59:23 didn't waited so much before someone mentioned it would be released Oct 25 08:59:36 timeless_mbp, it might be last release, so i rather wait Oct 25 08:59:48 * timeless_mbp can't follow the logic Oct 25 08:59:53 * mece neither Oct 25 08:59:56 if 36-2 is the last release, why wait? Oct 25 09:00:21 anyway, i've been happy w/ 36-2 for a while now Oct 25 09:00:26 wow 36-2 eh? woudda thought it wouldn't take that long to get through qa Oct 25 09:00:30 it isn't perfect certainly, and there are bugs i'd like to see fixed Oct 25 09:00:31 timeless_mbp because i would like to have last release with as much improves as i can Oct 25 09:00:41 so i would wait for 77-2 =) Oct 25 09:00:44 asj__, anyone who follows Nokia's previous releaes :) Oct 25 09:00:55 you do realize that 53 is the max number, right? Oct 25 09:00:57 it's a week number Oct 25 09:01:00 LOL Oct 25 09:01:03 ranging from 00, 0 .. 53 Oct 25 09:01:09 don't ask how 0 and 00 differ Oct 25 09:01:11 anyway, i've been happy w/ 36-2 for a while now // there would be no later, that's my point Oct 25 09:01:36 timeless_mbp didn't know that anyway want 77 Oct 25 09:01:40 johnx, well pr1.2 was week 19 and released week 22 Oct 25 09:01:46 iirc Oct 25 09:01:57 i have a question Oct 25 09:02:14 in setting menu in about thing, i got n900 version - unknown Oct 25 09:02:18 why would it be ? =) Oct 25 09:02:26 mece: well except it was probably supposed to be wk12 ;) Oct 25 09:02:26 ZogG: there are some files it uses to calculate that Oct 25 09:02:32 if they're unhappy, it'll say that Oct 25 09:02:45 7 weeks is probably the upper end of the spectrum. might be a sign that they want it to be right so they don't have to go back ... Oct 25 09:02:46 * timeless_mbp can't remember if one of them is the pr metapackage Oct 25 09:02:56 ZogG, you're overclocking :) Oct 25 09:03:11 johnx, yep Oct 25 09:03:12 johnx: 42-36 = 6, not 7, right? Oct 25 09:03:20 42 Oct 25 09:03:25 VladNistor-of nope - i don't =) Oct 25 09:03:46 timeless, isn't it week 43? Oct 25 09:03:46 oh brother Oct 25 09:03:51 johnx: i wouldn't know Oct 25 09:03:55 hahah Oct 25 09:03:58 * timeless_mbp doesn't use week numbers Oct 25 09:04:01 ZogG, you have a custom kernel then probably Oct 25 09:04:03 date '+%W' Oct 25 09:04:04 it's the last release for us Oct 25 09:04:04 do i look like a Finn? Oct 25 09:04:08 makes me sad Oct 25 09:04:09 timeless_mbp: you're an ical user? Oct 25 09:04:17 VladNistor-of don't think so Oct 25 09:04:28 Corsac: i'm mostly a gCal user i suppose Oct 25 09:04:35 and the maemo calendar Oct 25 09:04:40 the custom kernel is the only reason for missing version number in about I know of Oct 25 09:05:02 damn why i can't update cause of libsdl-gfx1.2-4 Oct 25 09:05:21 ZogG: So let me clarify, the official pr1.3 is the same as the leaked pr1.3? :) Oct 25 09:05:26 moo johnx Oct 25 09:05:30 quite. Oct 25 09:05:38 m00f RST38h Oct 25 09:05:51 RST38h are you asking me? as the dates says - it s =( Oct 25 09:06:11 timeless_mbp, you're a Maquis -- US guerilla infiltrated inside the European persona. Oct 25 09:06:12 I guess I need to reinstall my original hildon-desktop to be able to upgrade normally. Oct 25 09:06:15 ZogG: I see. Oct 25 09:06:15 * VladNistor-of doubts the leaked version is the same as pr1.3 will be Oct 25 09:06:52 ZogG, RST38h is telling you. VladNistor-of, doubting doesn't make it less so. Oct 25 09:07:06 VladNistor-of: leaks don't exist Oct 25 09:07:18 but the thing on the nokia page which claims that 36-2 is real shouldn't be lying Oct 25 09:07:19 I'm gonna take a leak right now. Oct 25 09:07:20 brb. Oct 25 09:07:38 mece, if it were ready, they would have no reason to keep it back. Oct 25 09:07:40 now that there's a real thing out there, you're free to use it Oct 25 09:07:51 VladNistor-of, it was in QA. Oct 25 09:07:51 VladNistor-of: eh? Oct 25 09:07:56 images are made Oct 25 09:07:59 then they're tested Oct 25 09:08:10 then after basic testing, they go to other testing Oct 25 09:08:14 then they go to wider testing Oct 25 09:08:22 then they go to management to get release approval Oct 25 09:08:29 then they go to you Oct 25 09:08:32 VladNistor-of, what timeless_mbp said. Oct 25 09:08:32 then everyone switches to Android. Oct 25 09:08:37 then you find bugs Oct 25 09:08:41 I thought there was a maze there somewhere Oct 25 09:08:50 i dunno how Nokia does it, but I believe packages are tested, not images Oct 25 09:08:52 then you're eaten by a grue Oct 25 09:08:55 Actually, it probably happens somewhere between step #2 and step #3 Oct 25 09:09:00 VladNistor-of: we test images Oct 25 09:09:02 not packages Oct 25 09:09:14 RST38h: i think closer to step #1 Oct 25 09:09:18 but whatever floats your boat Oct 25 09:09:32 my bad then Oct 25 09:09:41 sp3000: the maze is somewhere between steps 4 and 5 Oct 25 09:09:54 VladNistor-of: that's "we" being the entire group Oct 25 09:10:06 individual teams which make individual packages might test individual packages Oct 25 09:10:10 but even that is relatively unlikely Oct 25 09:10:17 Hello all ! Oct 25 09:10:20 the browser team doesn't ship one package, we might ship ~10 Oct 25 09:10:28 so we'd test our *packages* as a set Oct 25 09:10:44 i'm actually not sure i know of *any* teams which ship only one package Oct 25 09:11:07 But if you test an image and see problems you'll make a new one with fixes, so that's why i said that if pr1.3 would be different from the particular image "leaked" Oct 25 09:11:11 perhaps the kernel team? but even they need to test against an image to ensure they haven't broken too many other packages Oct 25 09:11:29 hrm Oct 25 09:11:31 no Oct 25 09:11:36 if we see problems, we file bugs Oct 25 09:11:46 whether or not we make fixes is a management decision Oct 25 09:11:57 I guess it depends on if the bug is a blocker Oct 25 09:12:13 heck, we might make fixes to our local packages, but those changes can be excluded if management doesn't want them Oct 25 09:12:35 lol argued with guy about harm of symlink use flag for kernel in gentoo, after long arguing i just got answer that he updates kernel more often than system =) Oct 25 09:12:36 timeless_mbp, ah ... the management .... Oct 25 09:13:24 aaand, talk.maemo.org is down Oct 25 09:13:27 fun times Oct 25 09:13:29 ;) Oct 25 09:13:31 Khertan: you're noticing a pattern? Oct 25 09:14:06 is 1.3 out now or why are we talking about it again? :)) Oct 25 09:14:19 anyway the "leaked" is 20.2010.36-2, as is pr1.3. It's leaked because it was in the hands of end users before it was done testing. It has nothing to do with the results of the testing Oct 25 09:14:26 VladNistor-of, I'd point you to an interesting talk.m.o thread, but t.m.o is down ... Oct 25 09:14:27 VladNistor-of: according to europe.nokia.com, it's out Oct 25 09:14:40 timeless_mbp, hum .... i'm currently working on implementing a unspecified feature before fixing critical bugs in on of our software because our management team say that fixing bug doesn't bring money Oct 25 09:14:41 leaks remains me wikileaks, does techno companies employees also leak there or is it only politics :) Oct 25 09:14:58 so yes ... it s about the same pattern everywhere :) Oct 25 09:14:59 Khertan: business as usual? Oct 25 09:15:08 Yea. *sigh* Oct 25 09:15:09 timeless_mbp, exactly :) Oct 25 09:15:12 VladNistor-of, apparently you can install it with the software updater from windows. Or so says nokia support here: http://europe.nokia.com/support/download-software/device-software-update?n900= Oct 25 09:15:20 Khertan, pattern? like a design pattern? Oct 25 09:15:24 thanks, johnx, timeless mbp Oct 25 09:15:30 mece: someone should try using that in Wine Oct 25 09:15:34 * timeless_mbp wants to know if it works Oct 25 09:15:38 boyer-moore pattern matching Oct 25 09:15:55 design pattern #134: sneak bug fixes into feature releases to get them past management Oct 25 09:16:17 johnx :) Oct 25 09:18:08 ZogG: Just confirms that Gentoo is for serial kernel compilers Oct 25 09:18:25 Heh Oct 25 09:19:11 RST38h, I think we should just classify it as a mental health disorder: Constant Kernel re-Compile Syndrome (CKCS) Oct 25 09:19:11 RST38h: but i want to meet parallel kernel compilers! Oct 25 09:19:12 is "serial kernel compilers" like "serial killer" but in the geek world? Oct 25 09:19:49 "Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you." Oct 25 09:20:02 crashanddie, yes. a lot of us read slashdot :) Oct 25 09:20:02 everyone is checkin' for pr1.3 as the whole tmo is lagging? Oct 25 09:20:11 no over-the-air update yet it seems. Oct 25 09:20:26 VladNistor-of, some people got it, apparently Oct 25 09:20:33 johnx, well, as being a +5 funny, I'm pretty sure a google of that sentence points to /. anyway :) Oct 25 09:20:46 johnx, "But that AC was me!" Oct 25 09:20:57 i just updated the package list with fapman Oct 25 09:21:22 fap fap fap Oct 25 09:21:24 VladNistor-of, keep in mind that Nokia's repository servers use geo-DNS Oct 25 09:21:39 ... to route you to an akamai cache near you Oct 25 09:21:51 some will take longer to update than others Oct 25 09:22:12 Shouldn't be more than an hour though. Oct 25 09:22:12 so 1.3 is actually released? Oct 25 09:22:16 worth putting in the topic? Oct 25 09:22:38 changelog about somewhere? Oct 25 09:22:39 There is no SSU nor linux flashable one out yet. Oct 25 09:22:44 RST38h just confirms that idiots are out there =) Oct 25 09:23:02 yeah, it shoulnd't take to long. I'm in Romania btw, so no joy here Oct 25 09:23:23 VladNistor-of i'm in israel no joy here as well Oct 25 09:23:36 ZogG, "either" Oct 25 09:23:42 "shouldn't" and "won't" aren't the same thing :) Oct 25 09:23:49 same as "theory" and "practice" Oct 25 09:23:55 * VladNistor-of agrees Oct 25 09:24:08 it bugs me that there is not jerusalem or any israel city timezone when you config n900 for the first time in the time zone lists Oct 25 09:24:20 ZogG: bah Oct 25 09:24:35 it bugs me that i can't pick HEL as my timezone and keep my language/region as NAM Oct 25 09:24:43 you have to go to map thing to set it =( Oct 25 09:24:46 HEL? Oct 25 09:24:47 wtf Oct 25 09:24:56 slowely but surely? Oct 25 09:24:58 and what's NAM? Oct 25 09:25:06 HELsinking NorthAMerica Oct 25 09:25:12 s/g/i/ Oct 25 09:25:13 timeless_mbp meant: HELsinkini NorthAMerica Oct 25 09:25:22 "Hell sinking"? Oct 25 09:25:32 crashanddie: freudian slip? Oct 25 09:25:40 Nuclear Ammunition Machine Oct 25 09:25:54 timeless_mbp, or maybe you're watching fat chick porn? "Hell's Bikini?" Oct 25 09:26:08 i presume i don't want to know? Oct 25 09:26:11 crashanddie \o/ Oct 25 09:26:13 :) Oct 25 09:26:21 hi crashanddie :) Oct 25 09:26:27 Hey Khertan Oct 25 09:26:27 it might be a bit cold to be in bikini in helsinki though Oct 25 09:26:41 so if it's out there where is it Oct 25 09:26:42 Is tmo okay? Oct 25 09:26:43 damn =) Oct 25 09:26:45 (and in slip too) Oct 25 09:26:48 Can't seem to access it Oct 25 09:27:21 alterego, down for me as well (also down for downforeveryoneorjustme.com) Oct 25 09:27:44 timeless_mbp, i ve a question for you ... i ve try qtwebkit on n900 it seems faster than microb ... what is the main diff between the both engine ? Oct 25 09:27:53 Khertan: age? Oct 25 09:27:53 johnx: thanks :) Oct 25 09:28:03 timeless_mbp, age ? Oct 25 09:28:06 or probably about 24 months to be more precise Oct 25 09:28:09 Always good to know it's not just me Oct 25 09:28:27 is it me or TMO is down? Oct 25 09:28:27 Khertan: did you branch qtwebkit based on when microb branched from mozilla-central? Oct 25 09:28:30 timeless_mbp, it s not a reason firefox on n900 is worst :) Oct 25 09:28:33 or did you take one from roughly today? Oct 25 09:28:43 hell sin keep? Oct 25 09:29:12 timeless_mbp, yep on my n800 webkit was faster ... but with a poor render :) Oct 25 09:29:15 DocScrutinizer51: wtf? [20:05] < DocScrutinizer> Myrtti: now what alarm is due for that? Oct 25 09:29:31 Khertan: like links! :D Oct 25 09:29:35 Khertan: anyway, ask a stupid question, get the answer you get Oct 25 09:29:39 take it or leave it Oct 25 09:29:42 dillo ftfw Oct 25 09:29:54 timeless_mbp, but i think my question wasn't well explain :) Oct 25 09:30:03 i should tell lcuk to port dillo to liqbase Oct 25 09:30:10 i think that qualifies as stupid, yes Oct 25 09:30:11 lcuk: port dillo to liqbase Oct 25 09:30:24 timeless_mbp, the question was more about the main tech diff between gecko and webkit Oct 25 09:30:45 timeless_mbp, you can qualify it as stupid, it s your right :) Oct 25 09:30:49 Khertan: http://http://arewefastyet.com/ Oct 25 09:30:51 http://arewefastyet.com/ Oct 25 09:30:56 * timeless_mbp kicks chrome for being stupid Oct 25 09:31:00 :) Oct 25 09:31:02 stupid but fast! Oct 25 09:31:08 but stupid Oct 25 09:31:14 but fast! Oct 25 09:31:16 kerio: running into a wall fast doesn't help me Oct 25 09:31:23 if you're fast enough, you break the wall Oct 25 09:31:26 GAN900, http://twitpic.com/2zw0s8 Oct 25 09:31:39 Khertan, totally different codebase, with very different goals (originally), started at different times, by different people, in different environments Oct 25 09:31:58 tmo back up now Oct 25 09:32:01 johnx: fwiw, webkit was actually forked from khtml by mozilla engineers Oct 25 09:32:19 (well netscape engineers who had been working on gecko and were hired by apple to make webkit) Oct 25 09:32:40 it's all a grand conspiracy really Oct 25 09:32:41 anyway, microb makes certain additional tradeoffs Oct 25 09:32:44 timeless_mbp, I was thinking KHTML vs Netscape though :) Oct 25 09:32:53 johnx: i suspected you might have been Oct 25 09:33:08 good news Oct 25 09:33:16 Why isn't 1.3 on tablets-dev if it's been released? Oct 25 09:33:28 alterego: that's a bannable question Oct 25 09:33:36 alterego, sometimes tablets-dev is behind the nokia.com and even the SSU release Oct 25 09:33:38 there are a bunch of different places where releases have to go Oct 25 09:33:50 Urgh Oct 25 09:33:58 No manual download then? Oct 25 09:34:04 not yet Oct 25 09:34:06 you can wait a few hours Oct 25 09:34:12 it should be there by Wednesday :) Oct 25 09:34:13 Yeah, I know :) Oct 25 09:34:16 Hahah Oct 25 09:34:19 you've been waiting 2 months Oct 25 09:34:22 what's another 2 days? Oct 25 09:34:27 or install a windows VM, and use the Nokia updater Oct 25 09:34:31 * timeless_mbp shakes head Oct 25 09:34:32 Waiting? Meh :P Oct 25 09:34:34 * johnx flips back to vmware player Oct 25 09:34:38 … end users… no sense of scale Oct 25 09:34:44 I'm just bored and want something to do :P Oct 25 09:34:47 /perspective Oct 25 09:34:56 alterego: try Wine Oct 25 09:34:59 lemme know if it works Oct 25 09:35:07 Heh, wine on n900. Oct 25 09:35:07 note that you only need to convince the updater to *download* the image Oct 25 09:35:09 DeaDBeeF hitted maemo Oct 25 09:35:09 not flash it Oct 25 09:35:17 RST38h, ^ Oct 25 09:35:38 http://imglink.ru/pictures/23-10-10/319c31cfa9dcda9783956c5998502795.jpg Oct 25 09:35:43 Khertan: i can't login to identi.ca using Khweeteur 0.0.37 - are you aware of this issue? Oct 25 09:35:51 good morning eerybody Oct 25 09:36:17 thp, yep Oct 25 09:36:17 * sivang wonders if Harmattan apps development can happen on the 1.3 SDK upgrade Oct 25 09:36:32 this ... grrr identi.ca oauth is full of bugs Oct 25 09:36:33 http://23.fi/deadbeef-n900/ Oct 25 09:36:38 hey timeless_mbp Oct 25 09:36:41 timeless_mbp: 'sup? Oct 25 09:36:45 sivang: should do, though you may need the harmattan ui framework Oct 25 09:36:47 poking hg Oct 25 09:36:57 thp, there is some problem with datetime when loggin Oct 25 09:37:14 ZogG: Not until they maemoize it. Oct 25 09:37:16 thp, sometime you have less than 5s to enter the token and validate ti Oct 25 09:37:17 it Oct 25 09:37:34 Khertan: ugh.. that does not really work right now with having to select it, etc.. Oct 25 09:37:39 RST38h what you mean maemoize it? Oct 25 09:37:42 alterego:I guess it will be released soon into sb Oct 25 09:37:46 maybe you are using the machine-readable oauth api and that one has this time limit? Oct 25 09:37:50 RST38h it's port optified as i understand Oct 25 09:37:51 ZogG: That menu bar basically saus "I know how to compile stuff under Linux but I cannot code" Oct 25 09:38:03 Khertan: also, maybe you can use QtWebKit inside your app to auto-grab the token once its displayed? Oct 25 09:38:09 timeless_mbp: ah, on what code? Oct 25 09:38:14 hey thp :) Oct 25 09:38:22 thp, yep this is why i m playing currently with qtwebkit :) Oct 25 09:38:30 RST38h, http://23.fi/kuvat/deadbeef-n900.png Oct 25 09:38:34 sivang: hey Oct 25 09:38:42 ZogG, how weird, that screenshots shows one fucked-up font. Did you break your device? Oct 25 09:38:43 RST38h, it even has portrait mode - what are you talikng =) Oct 25 09:38:46 Harmattan <<< it s not a dead project ? Oct 25 09:38:47 sivang: hg-crew Oct 25 09:38:51 crashanddie it's not mine =) Oct 25 09:39:09 RST38h: i can code :D Oct 25 09:39:27 petteri, no, you can't. Oct 25 09:39:35 :/ Oct 25 09:39:48 patches are wellcome Oct 25 09:39:55 wellcum? Oct 25 09:40:11 forum is back Oct 25 09:40:21 crashanddie: booo Oct 25 09:40:30 petteri is it your code? Oct 25 09:40:30 counter-boo Oct 25 09:40:42 petteri is it your port* Oct 25 09:40:58 Anyone that knows about disassembly of the n900 around? Oct 25 09:41:38 So everyone disappears... Oct 25 09:41:41 :p Oct 25 09:42:14 ZogG: I just compiled it in scratchbox Oct 25 09:42:18 TermanaDesire: i know for a fact DocScrutinizer broke his n900 while disassembling it Oct 25 09:42:24 and he's an EE Oct 25 09:42:26 , but will update it later when I have time Oct 25 09:42:41 so that should either question his ability as a EE, or the feasibility of disassembling the N900 Oct 25 09:42:42 crashanddie: please send patches if you have problems with the port Oct 25 09:42:45 or both, i guess Oct 25 09:42:50 DocScrutinizer: ;) Oct 25 09:43:00 petteri, I don't use your app :) Oct 25 09:43:21 kerio: mine won't turn on already so I'm not so worried about breaking it Oct 25 09:43:38 i recommend nokia care Oct 25 09:44:00 I just want to open it and stab the board Oct 25 09:44:04 crashanddie: ok Oct 25 09:44:10 Khertan: great, khweeteur is one of the most promising twitter apps on the n900, so i'd love to use it with identi.ca as well Oct 25 09:44:11 do that from the outside Oct 25 09:44:15 *way* more satisfying Oct 25 09:44:19 (only problem is I might be bugging you with feature requests like merging identi.ca and twitter.com posts that are the same once it starts working :p) Oct 25 09:44:23 kerio: nokia care will do nothing it's been in water Oct 25 09:44:29 of course it will Oct 25 09:44:32 if you give them money Oct 25 09:44:39 less money than you'd need to buy another one Oct 25 09:45:20 how do phones get into water? Oct 25 09:45:27 *mystery* Oct 25 09:45:28 by dropping them over the loo Oct 25 09:45:38 thp, :) it s a good idea :) Oct 25 09:45:42 crashanddie: that happend to me once with a stupid samsung of my terrible ex, Oct 25 09:45:50 cause or effect? Oct 25 09:45:55 Not by the loo for me Oct 25 09:45:56 petteri so announce it on forums and push it to repos? Oct 25 09:46:06 crashanddie: heh Oct 25 09:46:08 thp, the main problem i have with the identi.ca bugs ... is that i cannot reproduce it with my account Oct 25 09:46:10 My little brother dunked it while I slept Oct 25 09:46:22 crashanddie: since then I'm prefer to die than to go over the toilet with my N900 Oct 25 09:46:37 I guess that's one good thing for the iPad Oct 25 09:46:41 it doesn't fit in the bowl Oct 25 09:46:45 Reminder : don't keep phones in your pocket with little kids Oct 25 09:46:54 petteri: get rid of the menubar Oct 25 09:46:57 crashanddie, mouarf ! Oct 25 09:46:59 ZogG: I will do it later when it is ready Oct 25 09:47:11 more ready :) Oct 25 09:47:12 Khertan, I helped out a friend on his shitty django website Oct 25 09:47:17 I asked for an iPad as payment Oct 25 09:47:28 petteri: Oct 25 09:47:33 1. get rid of the menubar Oct 25 09:47:48 2. switch to outlook style 2 lines per message = 2 lines per track Oct 25 09:48:02 crashanddie, and now ... what you will do with it ? Oct 25 09:48:04 3. don't chop off duration like that Oct 25 09:48:23 DocScrutinizer: ping Oct 25 09:48:32 Khertan, dunno, as I said when it was announced, keep it in the living room for couch-surfing while watching the news or sitting next to gf while watching movie? Oct 25 09:48:43 timeless_mbp: it requires quite a lot of work. It is mostly straight recompile in scratchbox. The GUI is the same as it is the desktop version. I have not done anythin else than added rotation support Oct 25 09:48:47 4. don't use a tiny volume triangle. show volume as a percentage or something and when tapped then show a 400+px wide widget Oct 25 09:49:25 5. don't use a button border to indicate active state Oct 25 09:49:29 (play) Oct 25 09:49:42 anyway, that's enough of a basic list :) Oct 25 09:49:43 crashanddie, and you think that you will have hand free while watching movie with gf ? Oct 25 09:49:49 :) Oct 25 09:50:05 Khertan, yeah, she's not too sticky Oct 25 09:50:15 timeless_mbp: thanks for the tips Oct 25 09:50:25 fwiw, i'd probably do Album, Track, Duration on one line. and Playing, Title on the next Oct 25 09:50:38 crashanddie, lol Oct 25 09:50:42 actually, probably put the title line above the artist line Oct 25 09:51:33 petteri: also, does it make sense to show the artist in the title area? Oct 25 09:51:42 i'd imagine the title is more useful Oct 25 09:51:52 6. ^ Oct 25 09:52:47 "Museum offers night on a magic mushroom: Visitors to Berlin's Museum for Contemporary Art can book themselves a night in an installation which includes a floating hotel room on a platform shaped like a mushroom at a cost of 1,000 euros" Oct 25 09:52:59 I was hoping for another kind of magic mushroom :( Oct 25 09:53:06 crashanddie: hehe Oct 25 09:53:17 crashanddie: you shoudl come here, or go to India :) Oct 25 09:53:33 crashanddie: does it include some padded surface to fall off onto? Oct 25 09:56:09 Oh hang on Oct 25 09:57:37 Anyone fancy buying a human head? just 22000 euros: http://www.plastination-products.com/Silicone-specimens/Human/Head/Whole-head/Head-trigeminal-nerve::435.html Oct 25 09:57:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD98O0rVev0 Oct 25 09:58:14 a palm game natively (or near) on maemo :) Oct 25 09:58:16 hihi Oct 25 09:58:37 Khertan, your bug tracker has a bug Oct 25 09:58:51 kathy and I tried filing a bug on it on sunday morning Oct 25 09:58:56 lcuk, ? Oct 25 09:59:07 oh really ? Oct 25 09:59:13 what s the problem ? Oct 25 09:59:15 and it would not accept that and kept saying the math question was wrong Oct 25 09:59:26 and I know it was early, but we tried multiple times Oct 25 09:59:35 kathy has a screenshot Oct 25 09:59:46 we were filing something based on a bug in khweeteur Oct 25 10:00:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqJDuZIcQ34 Oct 25 10:02:14 "SUP-RITE" Oct 25 10:03:23 lcuk, didn't have any problem Oct 25 10:03:36 How can I check for PR1.3 availability from a desktop browser? Is there a URL? Oct 25 10:04:02 RST38h: please; no trolling Oct 25 10:04:33 lcuk, http://khertan.net/khweeteur/bugs Oct 25 10:04:34 :) Oct 25 10:05:29 Hello, is today d-day for pr1.3? Because I install something called 20.2010.36-2 right now... Oct 25 10:05:45 Khertan, now try it from n900 :P Oct 25 10:05:56 Yabba: > Yeah, that's the new FW for N900 Oct 25 10:06:01 seriously, 1.3 today? Oct 25 10:06:07 lcuk, ah ... Oct 25 10:06:17 lcuk, with microb ? Oct 25 10:06:17 it is? Oct 25 10:06:20 pontus: Hej! Verkligen, 1.3 idag? Oct 25 10:06:22 lcuk, or ff Oct 25 10:06:26 no announcment nothing? Oct 25 10:06:35 someone please; a changelog for 1.3? Oct 25 10:06:37 Khertan, microb Oct 25 10:07:15 RST38h check the livepr1.3.org Oct 25 10:07:21 tybollt: What trolling??? Oct 25 10:07:50 ZogG: No, seriously, what is the URL for the repository? Oct 25 10:07:57 Khertan, get hold of kathy, she has screenshot of both the bug report and actual problem we were trying to highlight Oct 25 10:08:13 RST38h: well, my apaologies then... :-S Oct 25 10:09:04 lcuk, lol... i didn't have any problem Oct 25 10:09:07 mouarf Oct 25 10:09:08 :) Oct 25 10:09:17 maybe it s related to something else Oct 25 10:09:38 Take a look here: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/n900 Oct 25 10:09:54 Kathy never come on irc, isn't it ? Oct 25 10:10:06 Latest software release for Nokia N900 is 20.2010.36-2 * Oct 25 10:10:07 Comes here every now and then Oct 25 10:10:12 Khertan: she does visit here yes, however, not very often. Oct 25 10:10:28 tybollt: > Du har ju maemosweden and meegosweden att hänga i också om du vill ;) Oct 25 10:10:52 en-* please :) Oct 25 10:11:07 PontusOhman: oh fan, visste inte :-o Oct 25 10:12:03 timeless_mbp: jajaja Oct 25 10:12:20 timeless_mbp: changelog, please? Oct 25 10:12:35 * tybollt pokes timeless_mbp w/ a rusty fork Oct 25 10:12:56 tybollt: andre will probably publish it when he has time. Oct 25 10:13:17 maemo and meego forum infra seems unable to cope with load today... Oct 25 10:13:18 tybollt: yeah, i'll leave it to andre Oct 25 10:13:27 X-Fade: you're in the committee right? Can't you give him a gentle nudge? :) Oct 25 10:13:29 too much excitement, clearly. Oct 25 10:13:51 tybollt: not much point, it's pretty safe to assume he'll do it Oct 25 10:13:57 tybollt: He's not online, so can't do that ;) Oct 25 10:14:06 a nudge is only worth doing if it doesn't arrive w/in a week Oct 25 10:14:13 arg ... it s hard to test my package with all this timeout Oct 25 10:14:18 A release w/out a changelog is like a hot fudge sundae ... w/out the hot fudge... :-S Oct 25 10:14:23 he's either already working on it, in which case nudging is just annoying Oct 25 10:14:55 no Oct 25 10:14:55 "Nokia don't do changelogs" - always been the case with maemo, although the last release wasn't too bad I have to admit. Oct 25 10:14:59 or has something "much" more important he's working on, in which case the nudge would have to be ignored anyway and is thus both bothersome and counterproductive Oct 25 10:15:00 hmm, with lirc Oct 25 10:15:08 the point is; annoy the man until he releases it Oct 25 10:15:09 have anybody tried to controll air conditioning? Oct 25 10:15:21 lirc is so terrible. :s Oct 25 10:15:24 jacek: Say what? Oct 25 10:15:50 jacekowski: beyond turning the knob to control "cooling", adjusting a target temperature on a thermostat, or simply turning it on / off? Oct 25 10:15:52 hi guys Oct 25 10:15:58 Milhouse: err Oct 25 10:16:07 timeless_mbp: i just want to use my phone instead of remote Oct 25 10:16:10 there have been changelogs for maemo for a long time Oct 25 10:16:18 jacekowski: x10? Oct 25 10:16:25 also, food Oct 25 10:16:25 x10? Oct 25 10:16:39 sp3000: now? i'm planning to do it ~2pm :( Oct 25 10:17:02 timeless: it's been discussed often and Nokia/Maemo have always been reluctant to produce detailed changelogs. The situation has improved under Andre, but only to the extent of pulling out the public bug fixes Oct 25 10:17:31 tybollt: a release w/o a changelog is like a hot fudge sunday w/o the detailed ingredient list indicating exactly how much fat each sprinkle adds Oct 25 10:17:50 timeless: in the early days there were no changelogs, mind you everything used to change from one release to the next so hardly surprising. Oct 25 10:18:12 Milhouse: i did the browser release notes around maemo3 iirc Oct 25 10:18:15 or maemo4 Oct 25 10:18:30 i know people appreciated them, but the reality is that the source input is garbage Oct 25 10:18:45 which is ironic when you consider that maemo process requires *everything* go into a debian/changelog file Oct 25 10:18:46 timeless: yeah, but I'm talking about the whole system, not just one app (thanks btw) Oct 25 10:18:47 Heh Oct 25 10:19:03 Can we start speculating about 1.4 now? Oct 25 10:19:17 Qt 4.8? Oct 25 10:19:20 the problem is that the stuff that went into those debian/changelog files by virtue of being mandatory was mostly junk to satisfy a process requirement Oct 25 10:19:24 :D Oct 25 10:19:40 timeless, what do you mean by the source input is garbage? Oct 25 10:19:41 alterego: it Qt 4.8 is needed for the MeeGo to be used in some hypothetical Nokia MeeGo first offering Oct 25 10:19:47 timeless: yep, there was public criticism of some entries - there may even be a bug entry for it Oct 25 10:19:50 alterego, why do you ask? Oct 25 10:19:52 alterego, before you should make a thread that pr1.3 didn't bring new feature and say that nokia ignore you and that you sell your device Oct 25 10:19:55 then it's a reasonable bet on Qt 4.8 Oct 25 10:20:10 otoh, if 4.8 won't be in that first offering, it's reasonable to bet against it Oct 25 10:20:16 wondering if a full battery is sufficient to install PR1.3... very slow update process. Oct 25 10:20:17 Could you guys stop releasing software updates, that cesspool by the name of t.m.o. is not responding :/ Oct 25 10:20:30 ShadowJK: lol Oct 25 10:20:35 Khertan: noted, I'll also mention at how MeeGo is the bastard son of intel and nokia and will never see the ligght of day, hahah Oct 25 10:20:43 t.m.o and forum.meego have both gone down - same infra. whoops. :) Oct 25 10:20:51 arf Oct 25 10:20:53 Hahah Oct 25 10:21:03 timeless_mbp: boo :P Oct 25 10:21:11 I should call Nokia Care and see if they've fixed my N900 yet Oct 25 10:21:14 Is Qt 4.7 in PR1.3? Oct 25 10:21:17 btw, http://talk.maemo.org/ is unreachable ? Oct 25 10:21:20 so this is really PR1.3 ? with Qt 4.7 ? Oct 25 10:21:21 what, 1.3 has been released for real? Oct 25 10:21:29 becks: yep, as is the meego forum. Oct 25 10:21:29 becks: only mentioned 10 times in the last 5mins Oct 25 10:21:38 timeless_mbp: sorry... Oct 25 10:21:42 becks: yeah, the kiddies are probably jizzing their pants over this release Oct 25 10:21:48 tybollt: lol Oct 25 10:22:10 oh just put http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/talk.maemo.org in the topic already ;) Oct 25 10:22:38 lol Oct 25 10:24:13 I wonder what would happen, if google started to completely ignore all icmp packets from one day to the other… Oct 25 10:24:48 would that be your 20% project at google? Oct 25 10:25:03 my what? Oct 25 10:25:27 google employees have one day per week to work on their own random projects Oct 25 10:25:50 oh god Oct 25 10:25:53 awesome Oct 25 10:25:57 tybollt, http://pastebin.com/K8RAgg2j Oct 25 10:25:57 yeah Oct 25 10:26:01 one reason more to work for google Oct 25 10:26:13 lol Oct 25 10:26:18 working at Google must suck ass Oct 25 10:26:22 i heard there is project googlenet Oct 25 10:26:23 and if it is good enough, it'll be productized Oct 25 10:26:24 I am thinking about doing that anyways Oct 25 10:26:26 crashanddie: why that? Oct 25 10:26:33 and googlenoid Oct 25 10:26:33 like gmail Oct 25 10:26:35 work environment at google is pure awesome Oct 25 10:26:58 Did an interview for them, the only thing they showed me for 2 hours was "Look, FREE CAFETERIA! Look, FREE GYM! Look, FREE BILLIARD! Look, FREE WII!" Oct 25 10:27:12 Is talk.maemo.org down for anyone? Oct 25 10:27:25 When asked if I could see the actual work spaces, they said "Well you'll have plenty of time to see those if you pass the interviews" Oct 25 10:27:27 yes Oct 25 10:27:28 crashanddie: they asked me mind boogling python question to try and use python as c, not like! Oct 25 10:27:34 crashanddie: lol Oct 25 10:27:36 xnt14: no works for me, what's the problem? ;-) Oct 25 10:27:44 xnt14: not for the faint of heart :) Oct 25 10:27:54 Khertan i have 11 only Oct 25 10:28:05 11 ? Oct 25 10:28:10 Milhouse, sivang: it gives me "connection reset" Oct 25 10:28:12 and dist-upgrade doesn't work of dependies problem or something Oct 25 10:28:36 ZogG, ah yes i ve some depandancy problem :) Oct 25 10:28:38 Khertan about this one http://pastebin.com/K8RAgg2j Oct 25 10:28:52 Google these days is more of a sect than a company. Oct 25 10:28:53 but this was just to see which package are updated Oct 25 10:29:30 Khertan pr1.3? Oct 25 10:29:31 morning Oct 25 10:29:38 ZogG, it seem's Oct 25 10:29:50 ZogG, my nit is downloading Oct 25 10:29:53 will see Oct 25 10:29:54 :) Oct 25 10:30:07 i didn't get it yet Oct 25 10:30:09 nevermind, it loaded now. :) Oct 25 10:30:15 is there a changelog? Oct 25 10:32:13 crashanddie, like apple? Oct 25 10:32:27 lol didn't install ask for pc suite Oct 25 10:33:42 Venemo_N810: hey, the changelog is here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt Oct 25 10:33:52 danielwilms, thx Oct 25 10:34:26 is this OTA? We won't need a specific image/components for the pre-summit devices? Oct 25 10:34:39 Youhou ! Qt4.7 Oct 25 10:34:54 i got an OTA Oct 25 10:35:00 but ask for pcsuite Oct 25 10:35:07 i don't want to flash Oct 25 10:35:14 so trying to made some place to see Oct 25 10:35:36 k Oct 25 10:35:40 danielwilms, this is for the sdk, right? Oct 25 10:38:58 getting errors from the Opera repository after the upgrade - 404 not found, so will disable. Oct 25 10:39:47 danielwilms, is there one for the device? Oct 25 10:40:35 Milhousecause it changed to pr1.3 from pr1.3 ? Oct 25 10:40:52 Venemo_N810: yep, that's for the SDK Oct 25 10:40:53 yeah, looks like 1-3 has been appended Oct 25 10:41:27 for the device I don't know, but I can try to figure out Oct 25 10:42:14 Interesting new packages added are: dsme-dev dsme-thermalobject-surface libqt4-declarative python-xcbgen qt4-declarative-qmlviewer Oct 25 10:42:23 For SDK that is. Oct 25 10:42:29 hmm Oct 25 10:42:53 well the latter are self-explanatory Oct 25 10:43:04 but what can one do with dsme-dev Oct 25 10:43:05 ? Oct 25 10:43:09 i even don't know what firmware i have i think i got global last update as i flashed Oct 25 10:43:10 Heh Oct 25 10:43:13 but not sure =) Oct 25 10:43:21 * sivang tries to update Oct 25 10:43:34 OTA Oct 25 10:43:34 no updates here =( Oct 25 10:43:44 but is only shows me updates for ukeyboards and other Oct 25 10:43:57 stil checks for updates, takes it a good while Oct 25 10:43:57 =( Oct 25 10:44:03 crashanddie: indeed, you see people entering google all the time - rarely see anyone leaving... Oct 25 10:44:41 is there a fw file for flashing too? Oct 25 10:45:34 F*CK! Why can't they do it right from the begining... To update now I need a freaking Winbloat machine :@ Oct 25 10:45:43 X-Fade: yes, so the nice guys from Helsinki were right. The dsme "docs" got released Oct 25 10:46:00 or sort of Oct 25 10:46:02 PontusOhman, why? Oct 25 10:47:22 Venemo_N810: > Got the update on my phone right now... But when I wanted to update it tells me I need a PC to continue :@ Oct 25 10:47:23 I've posted a message in the Maemo5 thread on the opera forum asking them to add a symlink from http://deb.opera.com/maemo/dists/fremantle-1.3 to http://deb.opera.com/maemo/dists/fremantle which is what they did for PR1.2. Hope they read it soon. Oct 25 10:47:33 PontusOhman ерфт игн ЗС =) Oct 25 10:47:40 than buy PC =)* Oct 25 10:47:48 PontusOhman, same here Oct 25 10:47:59 PontusOhman, that sux Oct 25 10:48:01 And for us with Linux it's no go Oct 25 10:48:08 hrm, no fiasco images, guess ill wait then :| Oct 25 10:48:10 PontusOhman, i think cleaning root is the answer Oct 25 10:48:50 PontusOhman, but i can't point you on how to do, as the thread explaining how to is on t.m.o which is down Oct 25 10:48:59 ZogG: что Oct 25 10:49:08 PontusOhman, I agree with Khertan... make room on rootfs Oct 25 10:49:11 i can't see no update Oct 25 10:49:23 atleast no OTA Oct 25 10:49:42 hm Oct 25 10:49:49 visz - what language is your device? Oct 25 10:50:15 finnish Oct 25 10:50:18 PontusOhman, remove extra devel if installed Oct 25 10:50:37 well i'm not in a hurry Oct 25 10:51:03 visz: certainly available in the UK (I'm using the Global image). maybe other languages are being rolled out? Oct 25 10:51:14 f#k my version is unknow ( Oct 25 10:51:34 anyone know the cause of the "conflicting distribution" warning with PR1.3? Oct 25 10:51:44 ZogG: Just re-install the meta package then. Oct 25 10:51:52 Khertan: > They are removed ^^ Oct 25 10:51:56 "W: Conflicting distribution: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release (expected fremantle-1.3 but got )" Oct 25 10:51:57 X-Fade maemo package? Oct 25 10:51:59 Milhouse: Yes. Oct 25 10:52:07 X-Fade: Do tell :) Oct 25 10:52:13 X-Fade trying to unisntall kernel utf and ntfs support Oct 25 10:52:31 should nitdroid kernel and kexec do this? Oct 25 10:52:36 X-Fade: Is there a fix? Oct 25 10:52:40 I still need to remove the symlink and properly index the fremantle-1.3 repo. Oct 25 10:52:45 On the server end. Oct 25 10:52:56 X-Fade: aha, ok thanks. will wait patiently. :) Oct 25 10:53:28 Milhouse: Or edit your catalog entry and put fremantle-1.2 in there ;) Oct 25 10:53:29 X-Fade are you repo admin ? Oct 25 10:53:53 ZogG: Yes. Oct 25 10:54:37 so nokia asked to have TMO downed so as to not spread any gossip about the release, eh? Oct 25 10:54:45 so far pr1.3 does feel snappier - might be just my imagination but opening apps (email, conversations, contacts, xterm) is instant, no delays. Oct 25 10:54:47 <-- tin-foil-hat-ON Oct 25 10:55:01 Milhouse, so is said Oct 25 10:55:06 well Oct 25 10:55:14 X-Fade is the package name is mp-freemantle-003-pr and how do i force to reinstall Oct 25 10:55:14 ? Oct 25 10:55:44 ZogG: just apt-get install it? Oct 25 10:55:46 "speed improvements" is one of those lovely things you can just spout and noboy will be able to quantify it so dumb users everywhere just buys right into it :) Oct 25 10:56:08 tybollt: Well it has a lot less swapping, so it will indeed be faster. Oct 25 10:56:11 emails should open much quicker thanks to the notification icon close bug being squashed (bug 11139) Oct 25 10:56:12 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11139 Long delays in email interface Oct 25 10:56:13 oddly internally we spend a lot of time measuring speed Oct 25 10:56:26 X-Fade says it newest one - nothing to do =) Oct 25 10:57:38 pr1.3? Oct 25 10:57:56 Is it OTA yet? Oct 25 10:58:00 yes Oct 25 10:58:01 waiting for browserd to wake up still means first page load in microb is sloooow. one reason why I prefer Opera, but then when I hit a page with flash (eg. BBC News) I hancker for microb. I wish that could be fixed, it really lets microb down badly. Oct 25 10:58:30 SpeedEvil: Yes, at least for English/Global Oct 25 10:58:50 damn and i have unknown version at all =( Oct 25 10:58:55 ~pr1.3 Oct 25 10:58:55 STILL a ban'able subject, more than ever Oct 25 10:58:56 damn Oct 25 10:58:58 * SpeedEvil ponders what customisation he has that would be wiped out. Oct 25 10:59:28 ~pr1.3 //selfban? Oct 25 11:01:34 lol Oct 25 11:01:50 SpeedEvil: Pondering flashing? Oct 25 11:02:07 tybollt: something like that Oct 25 11:05:08 http://thenokiablog.com/2010/10/13/nokia-n900-pr13-dual-boot-meego/ Oct 25 11:05:10 so Oct 25 11:05:21 what is a 'meego developer'? Oct 25 11:05:29 user -> sign nda -> meego developer? Oct 25 11:05:38 nda? Oct 25 11:05:44 what ndas? Oct 25 11:05:45 :P Oct 25 11:05:53 Stskeeps: :) Oct 25 11:06:18 so again, what makes one a meego developer then? Oct 25 11:06:23 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/280347/ Oct 25 11:06:26 anyone has a clue? Oct 25 11:06:33 A developer that develops meego, tybollt? Oct 25 11:06:41 tybollt: the fact he gets commit access to b.m.c ? Oct 25 11:06:49 tybolt: anyone capable of downloading a file, copying to a microsd and running flasher to boot their device. Oct 25 11:07:09 tybolt: I think it's meant in the broadest sense Oct 25 11:07:17 yeah Oct 25 11:07:21 So... In lieu of t.m.o, is there a changelog or such document for pr1.3 yet? Oct 25 11:07:22 should be Oct 25 11:07:27 (or any feedback at all?) Oct 25 11:07:28 ccooke: not yet. Oct 25 11:07:31 Milhouse: cheers Oct 25 11:07:46 * RST38h still thinks that to qualify as "enabling meego boot", PR1.3 should have contained a runtime selection, even via a key held during bootup Oct 25 11:07:47 ccooke: seems quicker, so claims of "performance improvements" seem genuine, at least so far! :) Oct 25 11:08:01 Nobody is going to be pulling/inserting SD cards on the permanent basis Oct 25 11:08:10 RST38h - would have been nice, very slick and garned some kudos too. Oct 25 11:08:17 Milhouse: how did you quantify that? Before and after results using microb? Oct 25 11:08:35 Milhouse: what scripts are you using what apps do you have installed... etc etc :) Oct 25 11:08:44 1.3 downlaoind over the air Oct 25 11:08:46 * sivang goes to lunch Oct 25 11:08:47 RST38h - I don't pull my card, I just dd to it while it remains in the device. Oct 25 11:08:50 Is there a changelist somewhere? Oct 25 11:09:18 RST38h: apparently "andre is working on it"... is all I got Oct 25 11:09:23 mghm Oct 25 11:09:24 tybollt: yep, it "feels" quicker. My most often used apps (email, conversations, contacts) now start up "super quick" (c) Steve Jobs Oct 25 11:10:09 aha? Oct 25 11:10:10 Milhouse: Wow, some proof you got there :) Oct 25 11:10:35 tybolt: hey, go do your scientific tests yourself. I've only had it 30 minutes. Oct 25 11:10:38 woop de fucking woop. "It feels faster" Oct 25 11:11:04 :) Oct 25 11:11:09 Maybe Nokia should release a placebo PR every month, and in 6 months, the N900 will be faster than a quad core xeon. Oct 25 11:11:09 crashanddie: surely that's all that fcking matters? Oct 25 11:11:18 :D Oct 25 11:11:25 crashanddie: :-D Oct 25 11:11:57 crashanddie: I'll wait patiently for your in depth and scientific testing. When can we expect it? Oct 25 11:12:15 crashanddie, yeah Oct 25 11:12:20 Milhouse: how's about the indication that we'd be able to dual-boot meego? Oct 25 11:12:26 Nokia PM: "OK, The files have been updated, send out the PR!" Nokia engineer 1: "So what exactly did we change?" Nokia engineer 2: "The file last modified date timestamp" Oct 25 11:12:26 just got the OTA in Romania, but i need to wait until I get home. I also need to uninstall M-AG's modest to be able to upgrade. Oct 25 11:12:33 crashanddie: you perfectly well know that Nokia cannot release a PR every month Oct 25 11:12:34 ccooke: what indication? it was all a misunderstanding. Oct 25 11:12:47 crashanddie: It has to go through several layers of testing, certificaiotn, and approval Oct 25 11:12:48 Milhouse: I was expecting that :-) Oct 25 11:13:00 crashanddie: Very important business, that PR is... Oct 25 11:13:02 RST38h, QA scripts for "touch"? Oct 25 11:13:11 oh lol Oct 25 11:13:19 didn't expect this Oct 25 11:13:20 anybody has an idea, shout Oct 25 11:13:22 any ideas how to separate music from audiobooks/application sound files in n900 mediaplayer? it's annoying to hear some navigation software "turn left at the next intersection after 300 meters"-stuff in middle of music Oct 25 11:13:26 and parts of audiobooks Oct 25 11:13:29 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/280347/ Oct 25 11:13:30 Milhouse: he didn't assert it is faster - YOU asserted it is faster indeed, so either you put up or shut up :-) Oct 25 11:13:37 or rather, why would this have changed since last upgradE? Oct 25 11:13:52 so I assume I don't have to take any precautions for this PR as it doesn't do much? Oct 25 11:13:59 Milhouse, I don't really care about it. I'm just amazed at the plethora of "it feels faster/snappier", when really, it's just thanks to a reboot for most users who had it on for the past couple months or so. Oct 25 11:14:05 tybollt: Someone asked MY opinion!!! Jeezz.... tough crowd. Oct 25 11:14:31 crashanddie: I've been rebooting/starting apps long enough to know if they're "feel" quicker Oct 25 11:14:46 crashanddie: Sorry I don't have the nanosecond timing that you crave Oct 25 11:14:47 Milhouse, and it really isn't against you, just the general communities (be it Maemo, Android or iOS) doing exactly the same thing for every update. Oct 25 11:15:00 kke: exclude from search Oct 25 11:15:01 kke, try to separate them by metadata... eg, album, artist, etc Oct 25 11:15:06 kke: See... Oct 25 11:15:17 it was a snapshot opinion, what more do you expect for something that has only been available a few hours? blimey. Oct 25 11:15:19 kke: ~/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg Oct 25 11:15:38 * alterego sighs Oct 25 11:15:43 SpeedEvil: hmm ok cool Oct 25 11:15:45 Milhouse, how about we just let this boat float away silently? :) Oct 25 11:15:46 I juss wanna firmware image. Oct 25 11:15:59 crashanddie: agreed. :) Oct 25 11:15:59 kke: exclude the dirs they are in Oct 25 11:16:04 Milhouse: that's picosecond to you... Oct 25 11:16:14 tybollt, femtoseconds? Oct 25 11:16:23 alterego: no image on tablets-dev? Oct 25 11:16:41 venomo: not yet Oct 25 11:16:42 tybollt, or maybe even zeptoseconds? Oct 25 11:16:51 heh Oct 25 11:17:04 Nope Oct 25 11:17:09 am I actually reading this right that the ota image needs 84.5mb of rootfs space? Oct 25 11:17:34 nid0: sounds about right - mine was 84.3MB Oct 25 11:17:40 nidO, if that is the case, then lol Oct 25 11:17:42 but yeah, what crashie says... it's the general "zOMG this is so much faster thatn $PRIOR_RELEASE" w/out ever actually verifying that... Oct 25 11:17:52 my version is unknown and reisntalling mp-fremantle-003-pr didn't help here Oct 25 11:17:58 meh Oct 25 11:18:23 Venemo_N810, yeah thats the lol i've run up against, app manager is telling me to fo and use pc suite :\ Oct 25 11:18:45 nidO, or make enough room on rootfs Oct 25 11:18:50 damn Oct 25 11:19:07 74mb free atm, to my knowledge even a fresh flash is only a couple of mb more than that Oct 25 11:19:13 where am I supposed to dig up 20mb of root space... /me disables -devel Oct 25 11:19:28 And tmo is still screwed Oct 25 11:19:33 Milhouse: Can you see if updating Extras now works without the warning? Oct 25 11:19:42 Milhouse: Should be fixed now. Oct 25 11:19:44 see the various moveroot scripts or uninstall -devel stuff Oct 25 11:20:22 see my comment re a fresh flash. this update cant expect more rootfs space than a clean install provides without having to move shit, surely Oct 25 11:20:29 Let us wait for 7+ days and see if the performance degradation is there yet Oct 25 11:20:52 If the device still becomes dead slow in 7 days.... Well you know... Oct 25 11:21:01 X-Fade: Verified fixed, many thanks! That was quick, although I don't have any accurate timings to verify this blah blah. ;) Oct 25 11:21:25 now Oct 25 11:21:30 Milhouse: It is just one of those todo items on a release day ;) Oct 25 11:21:38 if this doesn't do anything, why should I be bothered with updating even. Oct 25 11:21:43 and moving stuff Oct 25 11:21:47 silly update... Oct 25 11:22:02 Shapreshifter: emails open quicker (and provably so!) :) Oct 25 11:22:05 Qt 4.7 is the big change. Oct 25 11:22:24 mh :| Oct 25 11:22:29 qt 4.7 rulz Oct 25 11:22:45 I'll just go install alt of those wonderous Qt 4.7 apps... oh. Oct 25 11:22:51 I always had some 65mb free, now it's 55 for some reason after a reboot. lame. and disabling -devel didn't do anything Oct 25 11:23:12 hmm, it looks like camera flash is brighter during flash than during any other operation Oct 25 11:23:15 http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com would be down if everyone checksif TMO is down? Oct 25 11:23:36 jacekowski: that's because it is Oct 25 11:23:44 jacekowski: Of course. There is flash and flash light mode. Oct 25 11:24:07 jacekowski: Flash is 250mA, flashlight is 50mA or so ;) Oct 25 11:24:18 lol Oct 25 11:24:18 ;_; Oct 25 11:26:26 PR1.3 ? Oct 25 11:26:37 mmm.. should 1.3 be at tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php? Oct 25 11:26:47 xrk47: yes, it's out Oct 25 11:26:51 dolp: yes, eventually Oct 25 11:26:51 \o/ Oct 25 11:26:57 dolp: always takes longer Oct 25 11:27:02 dolp, notyet Oct 25 11:27:07 oh ok.. how much longer? :) Oct 25 11:27:15 hours? days? weeks? Oct 25 11:27:18 10 mins, it's uploading Oct 25 11:27:31 woot, I just got it OTA Oct 25 11:27:37 argh dpkg Oct 25 11:27:46 why so complicated... Oct 25 11:27:51 Shapeshifter: dun worry lad, it' Oct 25 11:28:00 isn't this upgrade 20.2010.36-2 just pr1.2 update? Oct 25 11:28:06 Shapeshifter: dun worry lad, it'll soon be rpm and yum all around (goes to the corner to vomit) Oct 25 11:28:13 erani, no Oct 25 11:28:34 tybollt, rpm yes, yum no Oct 25 11:28:39 is it OTA for UK? Oct 25 11:28:41 tybollt: I don't know rpm but by now I doubt it's worse than apt... Oct 25 11:28:46 /deb Oct 25 11:28:50 jacekowski: yep, got it here in south london Oct 25 11:29:09 i'm in finland and my phone just notified of the fw upgrade Oct 25 11:29:13 jaceokowski: mind you, i picked it up over WiFi Oct 25 11:29:18 yeah also downloading here in Bath Oct 25 11:29:39 lardman: I hope you have accidental damage insurance. Oct 25 11:29:48 Shapeshifter: You will learn how indeed it CAN be worse, a great fucking deal worse, than apt/deb :-) Oct 25 11:29:48 SpeedEvil: ;) Oct 25 11:29:53 fff, I might just do OTA Oct 25 11:29:59 I don't wanna though :( Oct 25 11:30:16 I doubt OTA will work for many, due to the reported stupid space needed Oct 25 11:30:21 Heh Oct 25 11:30:32 tybollt: really? Like in debians packaging files (which there are many of) the syntax needs to be spot-on, like "two spaces at the beginning of that line or else I'll screw your dog" Oct 25 11:30:36 Venemo_N810: ah pardon me then, I suppose moblin invented their own whee... wrapper for rpm then? Oct 25 11:30:46 and there's a billion files involved in making the simplest of packages Oct 25 11:30:55 hmm, I've got a Summary saying it requires PC Suite, and conflicts with libqt4-test and libgles1-sgx-img Oct 25 11:30:59 SpeedEvil: Worked fine for me, but then I don't have that much cr@p on my device. :) Oct 25 11:31:00 What? Another wrapper? Oct 25 11:31:04 and then there's all those completely superfluous states like "installed but not configured" Oct 25 11:31:04 tybollt, I dunno, Stskeeps told me it's not yum Oct 25 11:31:17 RST38h: you tell me? :S Oct 25 11:31:19 lardman: Should nto require PC Suite Oct 25 11:31:28 lardman: But you better get rid of those libs Oct 25 11:31:34 RST38h: just what the update summary says in HAM Oct 25 11:31:49 * RST38h probably connected via US-based network proxy, still no update here Oct 25 11:31:59 lardman: try apt-get Oct 25 11:32:11 tybollt: so, how would I go about finding out which packages I installed came from extras-devel? Oct 25 11:32:45 ehr... ask RST, he's the expert :) Oct 25 11:33:08 but I suppose dpkg -l some some could tell you? Oct 25 11:33:14 dammit... qtlocation.. Oct 25 11:33:27 ok, so removing libqt4-test removes python2.5-qt4 Oct 25 11:33:31 tybollt: no. packages usually don't know where they come from Oct 25 11:33:32 no worries there really Oct 25 11:33:34 why not just remove it? Oct 25 11:33:59 Shapeshifter: fair enough, then I've no idea. Oct 25 11:34:16 and CloudGPS pulled in the libgles1 dep Oct 25 11:34:28 brain party also uses libgles1 Oct 25 11:34:47 does anybody use claws mail? is it possible to hide from tasklist, but still receive mails? has it daemon? Oct 25 11:35:02 to be perfectly honest I didnt even restore my backup onto my device after getting it back from the shop... Oct 25 11:35:02 no Oct 25 11:35:42 oh and the beauty of it is I just started a new gig so I get new phone numbers en masse... so doing the backup restoration thing will mean effectively merging phonebooks Oct 25 11:35:56 oh sweet baby jeebus :-| Oct 25 11:36:09 hehe Oct 25 11:36:30 tybollt: well do you know how to list all packages in a repo? Oct 25 11:37:22 "Maemo 5 - Download now via WLAN to get the latest" ... WLAN ? :) Oct 25 11:37:51 Shapeshifter: For *deb based distros that is always provided as a list on http someplace.. (google -> ubuntu deb repo for instance)... so I'm guessing maemo.org provides some similar Oct 25 11:38:12 ask X-Fade Oct 25 11:38:32 ._. Oct 25 11:39:18 xkr47: ? Oct 25 11:39:22 got update Oct 25 11:39:24 tybollt: have you used any other package managers for linux before? Oct 25 11:39:33 hmm usually with apt it keeps a list of the contents in a repo or the repo site Oct 25 11:39:36 that was the comment for the update.. Oct 25 11:39:49 Shapeshifter: what point are you making? :) Oct 25 11:39:50 xkr47: WLAN == WiFi Oct 25 11:39:57 are they saying "WLAN" to avoid people accidentally updating via 3G Oct 25 11:40:07 yea Oct 25 11:40:17 I prefer USB networking ;-) Oct 25 11:40:25 ~curse HAM for its stupid "Operation is in progress please wait" messages without any visible activity indication Oct 25 11:40:25 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, HAM for its stupid "Operation is in progress please wait" messages without any visible activity indication ! Oct 25 11:40:25 it should be installed by default Oct 25 11:40:27 xkr47: moving 86megs over 3g might be bad for some people Oct 25 11:40:43 tybollt: if it had aptitude, I could do something like sudo aptitude search "?origin () ?installed" Oct 25 11:40:44 Shapeshifter: if you want me to rain on your parade and list each and everyone of the EPIC FAILs in yum, sure I'll do it. Oct 25 11:40:54 You guys actually -use- the app manager? Ouch. Oct 25 11:41:05 tybollt: yes please, because I don't know anything about it Oct 25 11:41:05 Odd. Oct 25 11:41:10 RobbieThe1st: only when I have time to waste Oct 25 11:41:10 UK - no update found Oct 25 11:41:12 Between apt-get and (occasionally) FAM/// Oct 25 11:41:22 RobbieThe1st: Not if I can help it. Oct 25 11:41:24 Shapeshifter: Hmm good point, so aptitude isn't ported then? Oct 25 11:41:25 * SpeedEvil checks version. Oct 25 11:41:50 "sudo gainroot", "sudo apt-get update", "sudo apt-get install app". Some of the most time-saving commands imaginable Oct 25 11:41:50 update's finally going for me after clearing out libgles1-sgx-img Oct 25 11:41:50 SpeedEvil: ORLY? Even we in .se have got it OTA now... Oct 25 11:42:10 update in app-manager, and I get nuffink Oct 25 11:42:11 SpeedEvil: Works for me Oct 25 11:42:17 Bye all Oct 25 11:42:21 nothing here Oct 25 11:42:21 tybollt: nah. I'd really just need a list of all packages, I'm looking for that html atm, because then I could do cat the-list | grep $(dpkg -l | awk -F '\t' '{print $2}') Oct 25 11:42:25 no update for uk Oct 25 11:42:29 tybollt: nah. I'd really just need a list of all packages, I'm looking for that html atm, because then I could do cat the-list | grep $(dpkg -l | awk -F ' ' '{print $2}') actually Oct 25 11:42:30 ~rant nokia Oct 25 11:42:35 jacekowski: works for me Oct 25 11:42:36 i got libqtm updates in app manager from nokia software update catelog, but they coflict with every qt 4.6 package, how do i install them? Oct 25 11:42:42 lardman: do you have UK firmware? Oct 25 11:42:45 lardman: or global? Oct 25 11:42:50 UK afaik Oct 25 11:43:02 but then again it's a pre-summit device, so who knows Oct 25 11:43:37 lardman: You haven't returned yours yet? Oct 25 11:43:52 Shapeshifter: again... it seems highly reasonable to probide it via html, certainly seeing as ubuntu and debian does so. Oct 25 11:43:57 RST38h: I asked if I could keep it to keep working on and was told yes Oct 25 11:44:21 RST38h: I didn't pick up one at the summit Oct 25 11:44:24 lardman, what are you working on? Oct 25 11:44:28 tybollt: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ can't find it :| I'd need to extract the Packages.gz Oct 25 11:44:28 mBarcode Oct 25 11:44:33 Now on Nokia Conversations, but doesn't say anything we didn't already know: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ Oct 25 11:44:39 lardman: Same here Oct 25 11:44:40 tybollt: but then I'm just as far as apt-cache dumpavail Oct 25 11:44:53 lardman: Mine went to the next guy though, I bought myself a new one Oct 25 11:45:16 anyone had problem with python2.5-minimal and pymaemo-optify? Oct 25 11:45:31 pymaemo-optify sucks. Oct 25 11:45:46 tybollt: and apt-cache doesn't take a repo argument Oct 25 11:45:51 tybollt: or at least I don't see one Oct 25 11:45:57 it doesn't Oct 25 11:46:26 MohammadAG51: do you know how to list all packages that reside in a repo? Oct 25 11:46:28 it should show repository names during dumpavail though Oct 25 11:46:40 RST38h yes, can't upgrade cause of it Oct 25 11:47:01 ZogG: Remove all Python packages. Oct 25 11:47:10 RST38h: doesn't Oct 25 11:47:21 RST38h, it would remove a lot of stuff i use and need and love =) Oct 25 11:47:24 the "Brilliant just got better" link in maemo.nokia.com site takes the user to the older news from May... Oct 25 11:47:43 nothing big but just mentioned :o Oct 25 11:50:28 Epic Fail on Nokia just now... The update manager in my phone tells me to hock up my phone to a Windows PC with Nokia PC Suite! Nokia PC Suite isn't compatible with N900 :@ Oct 25 11:50:41 or use flasher Oct 25 11:50:42 :P Oct 25 11:50:45 Shapeshifter, apt-cache something Oct 25 11:50:53 MohammadAG51: orly Oct 25 11:51:00 Stskeeps: Have they released it as a flash? Oct 25 11:51:09 Shapeshifter, apt-cache pkgnames Oct 25 11:51:09 hmm, slightly worrying my screen has gone black Oct 25 11:51:18 MohammadAG51: excuse me? Oct 25 11:51:21 PontusOhman: Ovi suite is Oct 25 11:51:30 MohammadAG51: My question was, how I could list all packages that are available in extras-devel Oct 25 11:51:39 sigh Oct 25 11:51:43 Shapeshifter: packrat Oct 25 11:51:44 lardman, Once you go black, there's no way back. Oct 25 11:51:52 tybollt: > Yeah, on Winbloat ^^ Oct 25 11:52:07 so how can i fix this python thing without actually removing all python apps? Oct 25 11:52:19 crashanddie: :-D Oct 25 11:52:20 crashanddie: is it doing something in the bg then? Oct 25 11:52:24 Just remove Python and all Python apps Oct 25 11:52:29 apt-cache stats Shapeshifter Oct 25 11:52:33 or are you taking the mick? :) Oct 25 11:53:05 RST38h =( Oct 25 11:53:07 MohammadAG51: what do you mean? that just prints stats. I mean a *list* of one package name per line, listing all packages Oct 25 11:53:09 <_davidx_> Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? Oct 25 11:53:15 Stskeeps: > No flashfile here. http://tablets-dev.[D[D[D[D[Dnokia.com/nokia_N900.php Oct 25 11:53:38 gahahaha Oct 25 11:53:52 please someone KB _davidx_, obvious spambot :-) Oct 25 11:53:55 Shapeshifter, dude, i already answered that Oct 25 11:53:55 apt-cache pkgnames Oct 25 11:53:56 dpkg -l Oct 25 11:54:05 <_davidx_> are you sure i'm a spambot? Oct 25 11:54:06 crashie? Oct 25 11:54:25 SpeedEvil, he asked for all packages in the repo, not the ones installed :) Oct 25 11:54:33 ah Oct 25 11:54:35 MohammadAG51: but that lists *all* packages, not just those of a given repo Oct 25 11:54:40 install all packages Oct 25 11:54:43 _davidx_, identify yourself Oct 25 11:54:56 Shapeshifter, disable other repos Oct 25 11:54:56 don't know any other way Oct 25 11:54:58 <_davidx_> i'm a person Oct 25 11:54:58 umm, sec Oct 25 11:55:17 tybollt, he's australian Oct 25 11:55:20 <_davidx_> i'm actually a bot designed to pass the turing test Oct 25 11:55:23 tybollt, might be a bit weird Oct 25 11:55:26 <_davidx_> am I passing? Oct 25 11:55:34 OTA update successful here o/ from quick walkthrough it seems that OS and transistions speeds have increased greatly... Oct 25 11:55:34 _davidx_: with your sentence above you did not Oct 25 11:55:37 crashanddie: fair enough... Oct 25 11:55:38 _davidx_: your post didn't look like, so prove Oct 25 11:55:45 <_davidx_> prove what? Oct 25 11:55:48 <_davidx_> that i'm not a spambot? Oct 25 11:56:11 k, god enough for me :-D Oct 25 11:56:16 good* Oct 25 11:56:21 <_davidx_> it better be Oct 25 11:56:25 Can someone who has applied the OTA update tell me if you get a black screen, and if so how long does it last for before rebooting? Oct 25 11:56:32 _davidx_, "it better be"? Oct 25 11:56:32 what's $DEITY to do w/ this doc? :P Oct 25 11:56:40 Shapeshifter, Nokia-N900:/opt/var/lib/apt/lists# cat repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle_free_binary-armel_Packages | grep Package | grep -v Packaged | sed s/Package\:\ //g Oct 25 11:56:45 <_davidx_> it better be "good enough". Oct 25 11:56:58 crashanddie: didn't last long. the whole update took 15min and reboot for about ~15-20sec Oct 25 11:56:58 this is good enough for me too, bitch Oct 25 11:57:11 ,-D Oct 25 11:57:15 lardman: i mean Oct 25 11:57:16 -.- Oct 25 11:57:19 erani: did you have a working screen throughout? Oct 25 11:57:40 no, when the update process began the screen locked and I used the slider to unlock to see the progress bar Oct 25 11:57:51 hohohoh Oct 25 11:57:55 ah, perhaps that's it Oct 25 11:58:03 phew, thanks Oct 25 11:58:08 monday morning madness? Oct 25 11:58:33 DocScrutinizer: got to be something to take away the pain of a Monday ;) Oct 25 11:58:45 Shapeshifter, got what you wanted? :) Oct 25 11:58:50 mine told me there's not enough battery for the upgrade Oct 25 11:58:51 that's nice Oct 25 11:59:02 * sivang will plug into the wallet and retry Oct 25 11:59:05 MohammadAG51: thanks! Oct 25 11:59:09 crashanddie: was this really necessary? Oct 25 11:59:15 ok Oct 25 11:59:19 :-D Oct 25 11:59:53 Bless him, finally Peter the marketing bloke gets around to spreading the word... http://twitter.com/#!/PeterMeeGo/status/28682507212 Oct 25 12:00:20 If this were Google or Apple, they'd have been spinning this for weeks already. Oct 25 12:00:48 oh, nice to see that all contacts' portrait photos got better resolution back again :) with 1.2 they somehow blurred after syncing with FB && merge Oct 25 12:00:58 erani: so you got OTA update already? Oct 25 12:01:00 Probably tweeting because he can't access tmo :) Oct 25 12:01:03 Scelt: yeah Oct 25 12:01:18 It's on nokia conversations now too. Oct 25 12:01:19 OTA what? Oct 25 12:01:24 Milhouse: You've to consider that Nokia don't really want or care for N900... it's like the cinderella of mobile phones... Oct 25 12:01:31 pr1.3 came out? Oct 25 12:01:33 erani: what operator? Oct 25 12:01:47 wait is this pr1.3? Oct 25 12:01:49 all menus and calendars work now without glitching or slowing down \o/ yay Oct 25 12:01:59 calendar* Oct 25 12:02:02 * tybollt tilts MohammadAG51 w/ frals Oct 25 12:02:04 Scelt: elisa @ FI Oct 25 12:02:15 erani, what update Oct 25 12:02:19 erani: I have saunalahti so I think I should get it too Oct 25 12:02:22 pr1.3 better not come out Oct 25 12:02:29 why not? Oct 25 12:02:37 MohammadAG51: Already did. Oct 25 12:03:43 MohammadAG51: who said fremantle was dead ;) Oct 25 12:03:53 erani: did you do any changes or just updated thru app manager? Oct 25 12:04:10 Stskeeps, sorry about #meego lol Oct 25 12:04:14 MohammadAG51: 20.2010.36-2 was the codename, it seems that it is the pr 1.3 update yeah. maemo.nokia.com has the news too Oct 25 12:04:33 Stskeeps, Qt 4.7 has a bug, I hope it isn't there in... Oct 25 12:04:33 wtf Oct 25 12:04:35 Scelt: just backed up everything and updated via app manager Oct 25 12:04:45 erani: odd, I see no trace about pr1.34 Oct 25 12:04:47 36-2 is the leaked testing image Oct 25 12:04:47 -4 Oct 25 12:04:57 MohammadAG51: -.o' Oct 25 12:05:11 got it via official repos though Oct 25 12:05:35 oh shit i can't upgrade :< Oct 25 12:05:37 yes, but it has bugs Oct 25 12:05:43 erani, install psfreedom Oct 25 12:05:47 tap title bar Oct 25 12:05:52 click kernel messages Oct 25 12:06:00 MohammadAG51: 20100909. Oct 25 12:06:02 if it shows black text on black bg, it still has the bug Oct 25 12:06:11 X-Fade, ? Oct 25 12:06:19 MohammadAG51: That is the git snapshot. Oct 25 12:06:55 humm ... style warn about installing via nokia update Oct 25 12:06:57 grrr Oct 25 12:07:01 what's that dreadful parameter to the kernel to allow sb qemu to run? Oct 25 12:07:02 need more rootfs space Oct 25 12:08:29 hmm, well it's certainly running quite snappily Oct 25 12:08:33 man, that was an easy flsh Oct 25 12:08:42 hmph, app manager does not offer pr1.3 for leaked img Oct 25 12:08:44 oooooh, media player works in portrait. gonna love that @ school Oct 25 12:08:49 erani: I see it now. fapman failed to see it before Oct 25 12:09:15 hi, why I can't install binary-only packages for diablo4.1.2_armel in scrathbox? http://pastebin.com/ivJxf8J4 Oct 25 12:10:00 sivang: echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled ? Oct 25 12:10:17 sivang: there's another if it's not exposed there Oct 25 12:10:26 lardman: thanks Oct 25 12:11:23 damn, memory errors again with OTA Oct 25 12:11:27 oh well, the portraid media player was a bug anyways... managed to enjoy 1min of it =) Oct 25 12:11:29 memory full I mean Oct 25 12:11:34 mhhhhh. something is wrong with the n900's grep. This: should print the line: echo "asdf lol bar" | grep -F "$(echo 'foo'; echo 'bar')" but it doesn't. Oct 25 12:11:42 The question is now: How to update if you can't update thru the phone because you need Winbl0at =/ And no flasher file is out yet :( Oct 25 12:11:44 so grep -F is broken. Oct 25 12:11:44 sivang: sudo sysctl vm.vdso_enabled=0 Oct 25 12:11:44 iirc Oct 25 12:12:09 PontusOhman: free root space, remove conflicting software Oct 25 12:13:24 anyone know if they fixed the swap issue? Oct 25 12:13:45 erani: how much free on root fs? I have 65 MB Oct 25 12:13:47 Shapeshifter: busybox tools are not gnu Oct 25 12:14:00 Shapeshifter: messybox grep Oct 25 12:14:03 ah right. Oct 25 12:14:06 Ok Oct 25 12:14:12 so 1.3 is there on my device Oct 25 12:14:12 ~messybox Oct 25 12:14:12 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Oct 25 12:14:56 I'm a wee bit dsimayed there are no pink dancing unicorns or anything... nokia - you could've done so much better :( Oct 25 12:15:19 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php <-- still not available Oct 25 12:15:22 mhh. where did bash get installed, even? Oct 25 12:15:29 I have it installed but /bin/bash is busybox Oct 25 12:15:37 LOL Oct 25 12:15:37 nidO: > The darn update manager tells me to plug my phone into a Winbl0at PC using Nokia PC Suite O_O Oct 25 12:15:44 PontusOhman, :) Oct 25 12:15:54 ll Oct 25 12:15:58 That's epic Fail Oct 25 12:16:01 PontusOhman: yep, means you either have too little rootfs space, or a conflicting package Oct 25 12:16:01 lol even Oct 25 12:16:13 2 of which were identified here a little while ago Oct 25 12:16:22 have you checked to ensure you have neither installed? Oct 25 12:16:25 nidO: which ones? Oct 25 12:16:30 is there a way to suppress the usb dialog? Oct 25 12:16:42 MohammadAG51++ I'd like that too Oct 25 12:16:44 libqt4-test and libgles1-sgx-img Oct 25 12:16:48 Oct 25 12:17:07 it'sthe libqt4 test.... Oct 25 12:17:34 USB dialog? Oct 25 12:17:38 MohammadAG51, pingelypong Oct 25 12:17:40 hey Oct 25 12:17:51 mass storage/pc suite DocScrutinizer Oct 25 12:18:39 Scelt: how do i check it Oct 25 12:18:41 Ahaa! The Healthcheck was the enemy :p Oct 25 12:18:48 modprobe -r g_nokia, someting along that line? Oct 25 12:18:50 MohammadAG51, remove the module :) Oct 25 12:18:51 erani: df -h in terminal for example Oct 25 12:18:53 ie the FUCKING annoying dialog that always pops up when you least need/want it :) Oct 25 12:19:10 DocScrutinizer, i need g_nokia Oct 25 12:19:16 erani: df -h | grep -i rootfs Oct 25 12:19:31 MohammadAG51, are you sure ? Oct 25 12:19:43 new versions of qt mobility it seems too. nice. Oct 25 12:19:51 hmm Oct 25 12:20:15 is there an app to copy clipboard content from n900 to desktop pc (linux)? Oct 25 12:20:19 Scelt: 84mb free Oct 25 12:20:24 actually Oct 25 12:20:24 erani: ok, thx Oct 25 12:20:25 or should i do some xsel magic? Oct 25 12:20:30 no, i don't need it Oct 25 12:20:33 it's actually removed Oct 25 12:20:35 I try to remove libqt4-test first Oct 25 12:20:39 would be useful for barcode purposes Oct 25 12:21:18 MohammadAG51, i ve a conflict with the hildon-desktop package you have made Oct 25 12:21:30 MohammadAG51, and pr1.3 any idea on how to remove it ? :) Oct 25 12:21:36 anyone else have trouble upgrading Scratchbox? Oct 25 12:21:44 Khertan, reinstall original from repos Oct 25 12:21:51 hmm Oct 25 12:21:52 BBL :) Oct 25 12:22:04 mece, right, but what's the version number :P Oct 25 12:22:21 doh.. Oct 25 12:22:23 wait I'll check Oct 25 12:22:40 it s on the nokia repository ... cannot browse it Oct 25 12:22:43 403 Oct 25 12:22:44 grrr Oct 25 12:23:04 hildon-desktop2.2.140-1+0m5 Oct 25 12:23:07 I believe Oct 25 12:23:27 1:2.2.138-1+0m5 Oct 25 12:23:40 apt-get install hildon-desktop=1:2.2.138-1+0m5 Khertan Oct 25 12:23:47 oh.. ok then Oct 25 12:23:53 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-desktop/ here is .140 Oct 25 12:24:02 you need a backslash before the + btw. Oct 25 12:24:33 hehe, pr1.3? nevermind, I did apt-get remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr, so seems it doesn't pester me :-P Oct 25 12:24:51 but wait. dpkg -L bash3 tells me /bin/bash is bash, yet grep -F is still broken in that bash. Oct 25 12:24:59 hildon-desktop is already the newest version. Oct 25 12:25:00 lol Oct 25 12:25:03 lol Oct 25 12:25:09 Khertan, --reinstall Oct 25 12:25:11 grep is not a bash internal Oct 25 12:25:24 indeed Oct 25 12:25:33 Shapeshifter, install grep-gnu Oct 25 12:25:48 Shapeshifter: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 25 12:25:48 MohammadAG51: thanks Oct 25 12:25:50 Reinstallation of hildon-desktop is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. Oct 25 12:25:52 mouarf Oct 25 12:25:52 Shapeshifter: WFM Oct 25 12:26:03 lol? Oct 25 12:26:17 Khertan: try this: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop_2.2.138-1+0m5_armel.deb Oct 25 12:26:17 it doesn't try to download it Oct 25 12:26:30 dpkg -i Oct 25 12:26:32 :) Oct 25 12:26:36 Shapeshifter: PATH=/usr/bin/gnu:$PATH Oct 25 12:27:00 tgx Oct 25 12:27:04 mece, thx Oct 25 12:27:07 reinstalled :) Oct 25 12:27:15 let see if it s works now Oct 25 12:28:22 Khertan, maybe you had my package pinned? rm /etc/apt/preferences Oct 25 12:28:33 already done :) Oct 25 12:28:37 was pinned Oct 25 12:28:51 but i ve remove the pref before asking to you :) Oct 25 12:29:03 ah Oct 25 12:29:04 k Oct 25 12:29:33 roh an other conflict Oct 25 12:29:39 libqt4-test Oct 25 12:29:44 dpkg -r it Oct 25 12:29:50 it conflicts with the leaked image Oct 25 12:30:17 actually, it no longer does... Oct 25 12:30:19 weird Oct 25 12:30:27 it does Oct 25 12:30:31 oh well, the image gallery performance is still a slight disappointment... i usually have a large portion of images with me and it's quite laggy -.o' Oct 25 12:30:34 i m trying to upgrade ota Oct 25 12:30:42 with a pr1.2 Oct 25 12:30:46 erani, gtk, sadly Oct 25 12:30:48 s/with/from Oct 25 12:30:59 i'm on 1.3 (leaked) Oct 25 12:31:02 now it installs Oct 25 12:31:04 MohammadAG51: can haz QT apps? :'( Oct 25 12:31:30 arg ... removing libqt4-test will remove python2.5-qt4 Oct 25 12:32:11 Khertan, right, that's the one that conflicts Oct 25 12:32:17 wonder if the qt versions will be ported to n900 too when they are ready... Oct 25 12:32:17 python2.5-qt4 Oct 25 12:32:27 no Qt versions afaik Oct 25 12:32:32 unless someone makes one Oct 25 12:32:51 you mean of the official nokia software? Oct 25 12:32:57 Right, laptop now has ubuntu 10.10 on it .. Oct 25 12:33:02 hmm, so PR1.3 can't be updated OTA? Oct 25 12:33:08 felipec: it can Oct 25 12:33:13 Well, it can Oct 25 12:33:23 felipec, but remove python2.5-qt4 ... Oct 25 12:33:25 meh, my masterplan has failed Oct 25 12:33:33 so any idea what specific new featuers 1.3 brings to the table? Oct 25 12:33:43 other than the highly fuzzy "it's faster" Oct 25 12:33:43 tybollt, bug fixes Oct 25 12:33:54 Khertan: shrug... olrit Oct 25 12:33:54 e Oct 25 12:33:58 wget -q -O - http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages | grep "Package: " | awk '{print $2}' | /usr/bin/gnu/grep -F "$(dpkg -l | awk -F ' ' '{print $2}')" was supposed to list all packages installed which are in extras-devel but there's the problem that many packages are in extras-devel but *also* in extras. Oct 25 12:34:05 so complicated. Oct 25 12:34:22 Shapeshifter: There you go, I told ya! Oct 25 12:34:24 \o/ Oct 25 12:34:38 pacman -Sl community | grep "$(pacman -Q | awk '{print $2}')" Oct 25 12:34:57 remove all packages in extras-devel Oct 25 12:35:07 Hey. is it possible to update to PR 1.3 using Linux (so no nokia suite) and _without_ reflashing the whole thing using nokia flasher? Oct 25 12:35:14 erani: Khertan: ok, I'll try that once this slow backing app finishes Oct 25 12:35:15 no Oct 25 12:35:51 MohammadAG51: was that the answer to my question? Oct 25 12:36:07 yes Oct 25 12:36:08 so, if I have made a backup (which also saves the currently installed apps), and I uninstall some applications now to free some space, and then update the PR, and then restore the backup, all the applications should be reinstalled, right? Oct 25 12:36:08 :P Oct 25 12:36:24 too bad :-( Oct 25 12:36:28 Flyser__: you can update with apt-get or app manager I suppose :) Oct 25 12:37:39 downloading 84Mb... yawn Oct 25 12:37:49 perhaps I should have gone wlan before I did this Oct 25 12:37:54 =) Oct 25 12:37:58 oh damn, nevermind this is really fast! Oct 25 12:38:06 25% done now.. Oct 25 12:38:22 mece: does that actually work? Oct 25 12:38:24 dear I just hope meego wont be as broken as maemo. Oct 25 12:38:38 Shapeshifter: it won't. Much more broken :-D Oct 25 12:38:46 Shapeshifter: Well duuuh, it's linux - OF COURSe it'll be... Oct 25 12:38:47 Shapeshifter: exactly Oct 25 12:39:03 Shapeshifter, there is nothing broken on maemo Oct 25 12:39:08 tybollt: what's that supposed to mean Oct 25 12:39:09 Flyser__, well I'm installing now, we'll see. Oct 25 12:39:23 Anyone else in the UK not seeing the update? Oct 25 12:39:24 Odd. Oct 25 12:39:31 Khertan: busybox, crippled gnu-tools, totally messed up mounting/partitioning Oct 25 12:39:37 Shapeshifter, take a look in details to see if there is no package conflict Oct 25 12:39:39 no man pages by default Oct 25 12:39:40 Shapeshifter: what do you mean by "broken os" Oct 25 12:39:49 SpeedEvil: me, but I'm not UK Oct 25 12:39:50 Shapeshifter, one point :) Oct 25 12:39:50 agreed Oct 25 12:39:58 the man page bit is a bastard Oct 25 12:39:59 except for man :) Oct 25 12:40:19 They are not broken gnu tools. Oct 25 12:40:23 They are not gnu tools. Oct 25 12:40:24 X-Fade, any idea when the bin will be out Oct 25 12:40:26 yeah Oct 25 12:40:33 man-db-n900 :P Oct 25 12:40:37 This is the right decision - it will make 99.99% of users experience better. Oct 25 12:41:06 As the busybox tools are lighter-weight and load faster/use less RAM for scripting. Oct 25 12:41:23 ~messybox Oct 25 12:41:24 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Oct 25 12:41:32 well they could use zsh... :D Oct 25 12:41:43 the issue is not zsh or bash or sh Oct 25 12:41:50 also much faster, more lightweight than bash but complete shell Oct 25 12:41:57 It's that grep and shell - for example - are the same binary largely. Oct 25 12:41:59 MohammadAG51: No, but that should not be that long. Oct 25 12:42:02 Shapeshifter: zsh is that fucker that even tab completes hostnames and shit? Oct 25 12:42:25 X-Fade, can you remove a package for me Oct 25 12:42:28 This means that execing busybox grep is _substantially_ faster than forking a truly seperate process. Oct 25 12:42:28 tybollt: hostnames? well I guess that is doable but it doesn't do that by default. Do you know bash-completion? Oct 25 12:42:37 MohammadAG51: Sure. Oct 25 12:42:44 SpeedEvil: yeah but it's no use that it's faster if it's broken. Oct 25 12:42:52 Shapeshifter: sure do - not all the intrinsics but yeah... Oct 25 12:42:53 X-Fade, someone was here in #maemo and they removed my whole maemo.org packages page Oct 25 12:42:54 the only ``issue'' is the fubar initscripts relying on busyboxisms Oct 25 12:42:55 Shapeshifter: But it's not broken for 99.99% of users. Oct 25 12:43:15 Shapeshifter: and the .01% should just install gnu tools. Oct 25 12:43:21 MohammadAG51: ?? Oct 25 12:43:23 X-Fade, psfreedom non-free Oct 25 12:43:27 keep the free version Oct 25 12:44:14 why can't I install pr 1.3 over wlan? it asks me to update via pc suite, but apparently pc suite doesn't support n900 ? Oct 25 12:44:20 which part of ~messybox did you ignore? Oct 25 12:44:38 X-Fade: oh, btw, could you please remove this package? http://maemo.org/packages/view/maemoreactor/ I've written you an email and asked in here before but I guess you didn't notice. Oct 25 12:44:44 have anyone managed to install the pr 1.3 update? Oct 25 12:44:52 erani Oct 25 12:45:22 messybox is neither broken nor "not broken for 99.99%" - it's just not an interactive shell Oct 25 12:45:35 Scelt: Oct 25 12:45:36 LOL wife called and exactly as the dialer appeared the installation set phone to offline mode. Oct 25 12:45:37 so uhm... is there any kind of changelog for that 80mb update thingy? Oct 25 12:45:46 erani: 15:40:53 < raimo> have anyone managed to install the pr 1.3 update? Oct 25 12:45:53 oh :P Oct 25 12:46:02 Shapeshifter: Hmm I must have really missed that. Oct 25 12:46:12 mece: something to talk about at home Oct 25 12:46:15 Shapeshifter: Every version from every repo? Oct 25 12:46:40 X-Fade: yes, that package is completely deprecated in favour of "reaction face-off" Oct 25 12:46:47 maybeWork: bug+performance updates and ovi services support is what I've heard Oct 25 12:47:06 is it safe to delete /usr/lib/locale/"locale-archive" from rootfs, if i'm satisfied with english only? Oct 25 12:47:17 erani: so you got it installed? how did you do it? It won't install it over-the-air for me Oct 25 12:47:21 X-Fade: thanks Oct 25 12:47:28 raimo: OTA via WLAN @ App manager Oct 25 12:47:31 raimo: libqt4-test and libgles1-sgx-img Oct 25 12:47:45 Scelt: ? Oct 25 12:47:46 raimo: those packages need to be removed in order to install OTA Oct 25 12:47:52 ah okay Oct 25 12:48:01 at least worked for me Oct 25 12:48:02 erani: without nokia pc suite? Oct 25 12:48:06 Flyser__: yeah Oct 25 12:48:11 &%§)(*'"42"$(/ bootcycling after upgrade to PR1.3... flashing again wtf Oct 25 12:48:36 chem|st: o.O Oct 25 12:49:12 raimo: yes it installed and settings and browser were missing so I restarted into bootcycle Oct 25 12:49:46 raimo: if you are missing enough free space it asks you to upgrade via suite Oct 25 12:50:08 DocScrutinizer: had that with 1.2 and now with 1.3... Oct 25 12:50:19 chem|st: okay, thanks Oct 25 12:50:20 enable r&d mode? Oct 25 12:50:21 * DocScrutinizer wonders why tmo is MIA, lol MUAHAHAHAAA Oct 25 12:50:26 anybody knows how to query for orphan packages? Oct 25 12:50:37 would've helped if it would've actually told me that.. :] Oct 25 12:50:41 how much free space is needed? Oct 25 12:50:44 the application manager tells me that for the current update i need the nokia pc suite Oct 25 12:50:54 which apparently only exists for windows?? Oct 25 12:50:55 Flyser__: no idea, but I had 84mb of rootfs mem and it installed Oct 25 12:50:56 Flyser__: 80Mb Oct 25 12:51:02 ok Oct 25 12:51:07 phryk: [15:45] < chem|st> | raimo: if you are missing enough free space it asks you to upgrade via suite Oct 25 12:51:08 nope Oct 25 12:51:18 erani: it is not rootfs I guess Oct 25 12:51:23 ah okay Oct 25 12:51:23 Flyser__: I have 65 Mt and lets me to go for OTA instead of pc suite Oct 25 12:51:23 oh Oct 25 12:51:28 I have exactly 80.4MB and it wont install Oct 25 12:51:37 it installed with 66MB free / at mine Oct 25 12:51:39 Flyser__, it's a conflicting package Oct 25 12:51:40 lets delete some stuff :) Oct 25 12:51:41 Flyser__: have you removed those packages Scelt mentioned Oct 25 12:51:44 yeah :P Oct 25 12:51:54 where is the apt-cache again? Oct 25 12:51:57 Flyser__: libqt4-test and libgles1-sgx-img Oct 25 12:52:04 heya javispedro Oct 25 12:52:08 hi javispedro Oct 25 12:52:09 phryk, it's not in / anymore Oct 25 12:52:14 Scelt: no. is it safe to do so? Oct 25 12:52:29 phryk: I guess in /home/user somewhere isnt it? Oct 25 12:52:32 oh wow, this script is *golden* http://www.robinhill.me.uk/downloads/pkgsize.py Oct 25 12:52:35 morning Oct 25 12:52:39 Scelt: yes restriticions for OTA somewhat relaxed or what? Oct 25 12:52:42 same here Oct 25 12:52:59 Flyser__: I had to remove few apps with those packages but nothing important Oct 25 12:53:06 git-core isn't optified and used up 14.4mb on rootfs :| Oct 25 12:53:07 javispedro: joining in monday-1.3-madness ? :-) Oct 25 12:53:07 javispedro, have a nice cup of pr1.3 Oct 25 12:53:09 sivang: seems so Oct 25 12:53:21 too bad Oct 25 12:53:24 I take it PakageView should see those packages ? it shows absolutely nothing for me Oct 25 12:53:27 PR1.3 release has slashdotted tmo Oct 25 12:53:37 which means I won't get engadget'd for preenv =) Oct 25 12:53:42 now flashed 1.2 reinstated settings only and upgrade to 1.3 (again) Oct 25 12:53:52 raimo: to terminal, root and then dpkg -l | grep libgles Oct 25 12:54:27 wow this updating is not super fast... Oct 25 12:54:28 X-Fade, removed psfreedom from non-free? Oct 25 12:54:38 downloading went in a jiffy but the updating is going slooooow Oct 25 12:54:41 MohammadAG51: yes. Oct 25 12:55:38 Shapeshifter: how about this? dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n' | sort -k1,1n Oct 25 12:55:56 MohammadAG51: btw, not sure if there was a problem with psfreedom itself but this morning there was an update of psfreedom and I let it install and went away and when I came back the n900 wouldn't come back from sleep and I had to remove the battery Oct 25 12:56:10 oh, just found a strange bug of the 1.3... when you open the app menu from desktop and browse to the bottom of the list and a bit outside of it (where it should bounce back the icons) it just jams and tick by tick gets back to normal Oct 25 12:56:13 Hi all. Who tried to run nokia pc suite uneder wine? Oct 25 12:56:23 X-Fade: why Nokia broke the traditional scheme of releasing on Friday, when next Monday is holiday and everybody off for a week? Oct 25 12:56:31 :-) Oct 25 12:56:42 felipec: nice. doesn't show space used exclusively on rootfs, though Oct 25 12:56:44 DocScrutinizer: I guess because that got delayed? ;) Oct 25 12:56:51 foxfell: Not worth it. Virtualbox is the only way to run it on a Linux machine. Oct 25 12:57:16 so, is tablets-dev keeping up? Or I should not even try? :) Oct 25 12:57:26 Oli```: no alternatives? Oct 25 12:57:29 javispedro: nope Oct 25 12:57:51 javispedro: still 1.2 Oct 25 12:58:01 foxfell: not really, no Oct 25 12:58:04 thats why I just flashed 1.2 and upgraded to 1.3 Oct 25 12:58:10 foxfell: who would need that crap on linux anyway? Oct 25 12:58:13 foxfell: if you're just flashing, you can flash from Linux IIRC Oct 25 12:58:16 foxfell: Oli```: it probably can't work through a virtual system Oct 25 12:58:31 felipec: it does Oct 25 12:58:32 foxfell: Oli```: of course there is... use flasher Oct 25 12:59:02 tnx guys Oct 25 12:59:06 Hi! Is there a way to invoke the "back" button in windows programatically? Oct 25 12:59:10 Shapeshifter, can't see how it can be related :) Oct 25 12:59:16 ~flashing Oct 25 12:59:17 rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 25 12:59:18 give me back tmo! Oct 25 12:59:30 X-Fade, thanks, can you refresh the description? Oct 25 12:59:40 javispedro: :-P Oct 25 12:59:58 [2010-10-25 14:46:29] * DocScrutinizer wonders why tmo is MIA, lol MUAHAHAHAAA Oct 25 13:00:00 MohammadAG51: Will get updated automatically. Oct 25 13:00:26 X-Fade, description too? it wasn't updated when i updated the package Oct 25 13:00:30 Flashing the rootfs on your N900 will reset the device back to factory settings. sounds bad Oct 25 13:00:45 DocScrutinizer: abstinence syndrome! Oct 25 13:01:12 foxfell, no Oct 25 13:01:13 DocScrutinizer: missing in action? what happened to it? Oct 25 13:01:19 flashing the eMMC will Oct 25 13:01:57 I wonder if using third party application manager like the Faster App Manager for pr update is doomed to fail? Oct 25 13:02:03 * sivang wonders how flasher detects which is the eMMC, extended storage, SD etc Oct 25 13:02:07 sivang: nobody knows. History will show where and why it got lost in famous battle of 1.3 Oct 25 13:02:11 because it started updating without any complains.. :] Oct 25 13:02:14 DocScrutinizer: HAHAHA Oct 25 13:02:33 I did see flasher is rather wise about that- Oct 25 13:02:37 knowing what not to destry Oct 25 13:02:39 which is nice Oct 25 13:02:50 foxfell: Updating by flashing is still pretty abrasive. It knocks out anything installed. You'd probably do better to wait for the OTA update. Oct 25 13:03:00 Oli```: not so much Oct 25 13:03:01 foxfell: that's what the Nokia PC would do, AFAIK Oct 25 13:03:06 nothing wrong with a bit torched earth now and then Oct 25 13:03:09 foxfell: that's why you need to backup Oct 25 13:03:11 sivang: that's my experience of it Oct 25 13:03:17 Oli```: you upgrade, you move away to a different storage, you flash, restore everything and viola Oct 25 13:03:23 foxfell: of course you could try to free space so that OTA works Oct 25 13:03:27 Oli```: was a breeze for me, even better than OTA Oct 25 13:03:36 but yes, I'd hate to say- Oct 25 13:03:38 YMMV Oct 25 13:03:45 indeed Oct 25 13:03:49 I did remove stuff that was not neccessary Oct 25 13:03:58 e.g. every package that I decided I don't use anymore- got purged Oct 25 13:04:04 and then reflashed Oct 25 13:04:46 That said, if you're drowning in clutter, a reflash is a good way to get back to a nice sane set of defaults. Just make sure you backup anything you might want. Oct 25 13:05:22 so, how would I be able to find out which package conflicts with the PR update? Oct 25 13:05:36 Shapeshifter, in the update screen Oct 25 13:05:38 in ham Oct 25 13:05:43 click on Maemo Update Oct 25 13:05:46 then details Oct 25 13:05:55 Khertan: thanks! Oct 25 13:05:57 2 or 3 notebook you will see the details Oct 25 13:05:58 update with appmanager walked flawlessly. Oct 25 13:06:42 Shapeshifter, for me it was libqt4-test, and a package that replace hildon-desktop :) Oct 25 13:06:53 mece: grats Oct 25 13:07:02 * Oli``` wishes his OTA update would show up Oct 25 13:07:05 Oli```: I actually regret storing the settings, yes Oct 25 13:07:09 Khertan: WTF is the wiki page summarizing all that? Oct 25 13:07:17 the slowness of the uk release again. annoying. Oct 25 13:07:22 Oli```: since it brought me back to clutter of tweakui and other things Oct 25 13:07:33 Oli```: should have just restored everything else Oct 25 13:07:47 emmmm... what are you do updating? Oct 25 13:07:47 DocScrutinizer: the wiki page summerziing the update and the changeset? Oct 25 13:07:54 DocScrutinizer, the wiki ? Oct 25 13:08:00 I needed to dpkg -i this file: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/h/hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop_2.2.138-1+0m5_armel.deb after that it was smooth sailing. Oct 25 13:08:02 DocScrutinizer, don't know ... was down Oct 25 13:08:05 and conflicting pkg and 42, yes Oct 25 13:08:11 heh Oct 25 13:08:26 anyway I'm off. ta. Oct 25 13:08:28 starting the update with power bar at 1/3rd = good idea c/d? Oct 25 13:08:31 DocScrutinizer: I'm surprised as well. this seems the most discrete upgrade ever in free software ? :) Oct 25 13:08:42 maybeWTF: it will tell you if it has enough battery Oct 25 13:08:48 maybeWTF: told me to plug to waller Oct 25 13:09:09 same here. used usb cable though. worked fine. took about 15 minutes to upgrade. Oct 25 13:09:15 hehe, nice Oct 25 13:09:16 seriouslt though. I'm off. Oct 25 13:10:08 I just used Faster Application Manager to OTA update and it seemed to go through just fine Oct 25 13:10:24 although the nokia application manager wouldn't run it Oct 25 13:10:30 heh Oct 25 13:10:32 X-Fade: honestly, wouldn't it be more sane to *first* publish the fiasco img and changelog and stuff, *then* a day later enable the SSU? Oct 25 13:10:32 well, sorry if it was answered. is apt-get upgrade safe for 1.3? Oct 25 13:10:36 "its complicated" Oct 25 13:10:42 you should really use the builtin apt manager Oct 25 13:10:48 between HAM and FAPMAN Oct 25 13:10:48 DocScrutinizer: Yes Oct 25 13:10:52 it does more stuff that a plain apt-get upgrade Oct 25 13:11:00 javispedro++ Oct 25 13:11:03 javispedro: hmm, for example? Oct 25 13:11:04 rmrfchik: apt-get upgrade is *never* safe Oct 25 13:11:12 rmrfchik: including but not limited to "tuning" compression ratos for the ubifs Oct 25 13:11:19 DocScrutinizer: hmm. you ruine my world. Oct 25 13:11:19 javispedro: oh dear Oct 25 13:11:26 javispedro: that is something out of this world, I was nto aware. Oct 25 13:11:29 javispedro: ok, thanks Oct 25 13:11:32 apt-get upgrade is safe in a way that you can always reflash the device?-) Oct 25 13:11:39 javispedro: how did you find out it does that? Oct 25 13:11:42 sivang: iirc since pr1.2 Oct 25 13:12:08 javispedro: from changelog? Oct 25 13:12:14 t.m.o is down? ;) Oct 25 13:12:18 sivang: sorry, mxr doesn't not yet index pr1.2 code seems, get hildon-application-manager src pkg Oct 25 13:12:21 How popular can t.m.o be .. Oct 25 13:12:26 It's been down for about 6 hours now. Oct 25 13:12:29 flux, not really ... image isn't available yet :) Oct 25 13:12:39 flux: beating the brick wall is alway safe as you can recover by healing your bones :-P Oct 25 13:12:40 alterego: "I updated to PR1.3 and now everything is broken" Oct 25 13:12:41 alterego: Wait for reggie to wake up ;) Oct 25 13:12:47 Heh Oct 25 13:12:50 khertan, well, you can upgrade the previous version, you're not (much) worse off than what you started with :) Oct 25 13:13:05 flux ... hum ... true Oct 25 13:13:12 Shapeshifter: "PR1.3 ruined my life, now I can't rant about how awful it is on t.m.o NOKIA cens0rs!" Oct 25 13:13:23 javispedro: k, thanks for the tip Oct 25 13:13:33 alterego: it's not down, it's just MIA Oct 25 13:13:40 Heh Oct 25 13:13:45 alterego: aka lemmings running a DDoS Oct 25 13:13:46 yea, with enough patience you can still reach it Oct 25 13:13:51 (contributing to the slashdotting) Oct 25 13:14:05 All those Android fanbois Oct 25 13:14:16 so 1.3 ruins the installation? Oct 25 13:14:25 sivang: found it! http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/hildon-application-manager/src/apt-worker.cc#4802 Oct 25 13:14:27 and changelog are ... Oct 25 13:14:42 * sivang thanks timeless for mxr Oct 25 13:14:44 that's what i'd like to know too... Oct 25 13:14:45 javispedro: thanks Oct 25 13:14:50 what do we get in 1.3 ? Oct 25 13:15:15 nothing Oct 25 13:15:23 a new version number! Oct 25 13:15:24 ElAngelo: you get 2 hours of caring for your device to make it able to update OTA. Oct 25 13:15:34 * javispedro plans to reflash either way Oct 25 13:15:42 I think I'm still using pr1.1 modest.... Oct 25 13:15:42 PR1.3 -- enlarge your version number! Oct 25 13:15:56 bug fixes Oct 25 13:16:10 is Shapeshifter the channel troll now? Oct 25 13:16:41 the changelog has been posted on t.m.o. but nobody can read it. Oct 25 13:16:50 ElAngelo, and you are? Oct 25 13:16:53 okay well the bulid in app manager still shows the maemo update after updating with the faster app manager, but now it allows an OTA update. so I'm running that now :D Oct 25 13:16:54 javispedro: oh that you are in pain, my friend, modest is still not as good as it could be IMHO, but 1.1 was a nightmare Oct 25 13:17:04 ElAngelo, because as I recall, Shapeshifter has been around here a heckuvalot longer than you have. Oct 25 13:17:08 I'm supriced if I don't manage to f*ck something up with this.. Oct 25 13:17:23 crashanddie: don't know... just a user Oct 25 13:17:26 sivang: I had patched it and never bothered to forward port stuff to 1.2 =) Oct 25 13:17:30 Hi! is there a place where I can see the changelog of PR 1.3 ? Oct 25 13:17:35 I love websites with a thousand and one in-window popup ads, advisements and survey requests. Oct 25 13:17:42 i just scrolled up a couple of lines and saw Shapeshifter trolling all over the channel Oct 25 13:17:47 GAN900: web 3.0! Oct 25 13:17:52 javispedro: ah, I see Oct 25 13:17:57 did anyone spot 'And there’s even more great news. Ovi Music Store is now accessible right from your N900 (where available). You can use your inbuilt browser to access music.ovi.com and download your favorite tunes straight to your device in DRM-free format.' ? Oct 25 13:18:06 * MohammadAG saw it Oct 25 13:18:07 Stskeeps: wtf Oct 25 13:18:12 couldn't care less Oct 25 13:18:15 Neat Oct 25 13:18:22 does that meant it's free? Oct 25 13:18:22 Stskeeps: actually that was somewhat known in the sprint already :) Oct 25 13:18:31 Stskeeps, shill. :P Oct 25 13:18:32 raimo, no, it means it's DRM-free Oct 25 13:18:42 Stskeeps: one of the reasons for me to upgrade as well Oct 25 13:18:46 right Oct 25 13:18:47 ElAngelo, sorry, you must have some foo I don't, I've not seen Shapeshifter troll anyone. Oct 25 13:19:02 i could reason with DRM-free music and paying for it. Oct 25 13:19:06 DRM'ed music, fuck no Oct 25 13:19:33 I want lossless encoding on music I pay for Oct 25 13:19:38 Stskeeps: so drop that idea of security framework! Oct 25 13:19:54 DocScrutinizer: There's a such? Oct 25 13:19:56 then i misunderstood the quotes Oct 25 13:20:10 ElAngelo, it would appear so indeed. Oct 25 13:20:43 Stskeeps: yeah... I buy all of my music there so that was a nice upgrade :) Oct 25 13:21:16 ~pr1.3 Oct 25 13:21:16 LALALALALALALALALAAAAAA Oct 25 13:21:17 I would be happy about such a thing Oct 25 13:21:32 ;D Oct 25 13:21:43 ~factinfo pr1.3 Oct 25 13:21:43 pr1.3 -- created by noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@host86-178-53-101.range86-178.btcentralplus.com> at Tue May 25 07:13:59 2010 (153 days); last modified 1h 30m 44s ago by DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 45 times, last by hrw, 27s ago. Oct 25 13:21:44 gives me good vibes about "open mode" kernel in harmattan security framework Oct 25 13:21:48 it was literally as painful as shooting my own leg when I bought a 20 song collection album and I had to tap the download icon one by one at each song, wait for the page to refrest etc... Oct 25 13:21:56 javispedro: feels like a hack, is thee no lib for playing with mount? Oct 25 13:21:57 DocScrutinizer, somehow, I knew it could only be you :P Oct 25 13:21:59 javispedro: re http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/hildon-application-manager/src/apt-worker.cc#4802 Oct 25 13:22:04 refresh* Oct 25 13:22:15 sivang: well, there's this "mount" syscall ;) Oct 25 13:22:32 javispedro: but it was not used :-PP Oct 25 13:22:43 ~pr1.2 Oct 25 13:22:43 [pr1.2] available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update Oct 25 13:22:52 ~forget pr1.3 Oct 25 13:22:53 i forgot pr1.3, MohammadAG Oct 25 13:23:01 crashanddie: best most precise and accurate info I could offer to infobot Oct 25 13:23:03 MohammadAG: dangerous to the device? Oct 25 13:23:24 javispedro: execing commands like mount scares me... Oct 25 13:23:27 sivang, huh?! Oct 25 13:23:29 javispedro: from a c program Oct 25 13:23:40 MohammadAG: you made infobot forget 1.3 Oct 25 13:24:01 sivang, you know what's really scary? Calling rm -rf from a perl script. Oct 25 13:24:04 sivang: well.. the entire thing already runs on root, what could go wrong? ;) Oct 25 13:24:14 you never know what that / might turn into Oct 25 13:24:24 javispedro: HA HA HA HA Oct 25 13:24:30 * javispedro notes that until recently, ALL, ALL, EACH and EVERY program on the Palm Pre ran as the root user Oct 25 13:24:31 ~pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update Oct 25 13:24:32 ...but pr1.3 is already something else... Oct 25 13:24:39 ~forget pr1.3 Oct 25 13:24:40 i forgot pr1.3, MohammadAG Oct 25 13:24:45 ~pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update Oct 25 13:24:45 okay, MohammadAG Oct 25 13:24:55 MohammadAG: pm with infobot instead of such noises Oct 25 13:25:02 ~flashing Oct 25 13:25:03 well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 25 13:25:05 javispedro, Stop abusing forget! Oct 25 13:25:10 well, app manager dont want to upgrade system. it wan ovi suite to do it Oct 25 13:25:19 ~no, pr1.3 is is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday 25th October 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update Oct 25 13:25:26 i bet OTA won't pass again Oct 25 13:25:33 rmrfchik, conflick package ... go to details and remove conflicting package Oct 25 13:25:35 no wonder Oct 25 13:25:38 Arkenoi: chmoke Oct 25 13:25:40 MohammadAG, please don't insult us by using american date format Oct 25 13:25:46 everyone here uses extras-devel, Oct 25 13:25:53 javispedro, nope, I don't Oct 25 13:25:59 Khertan: ah.. it may be MohammadAG's fixes :) Oct 25 13:26:02 i don't too Oct 25 13:26:06 either** Oct 25 13:26:07 and I counted every time someone uploaded a package breaking SSU there: it's in the hundreds. Oct 25 13:26:13 crashanddie: and did OTA work for you? Oct 25 13:26:13 crashanddie, lol it wasn't on purpose, I just copied the date from Ubuntu's top bar Oct 25 13:26:28 crashanddie: hehe Oct 25 13:26:28 javispedro, dunno, N900 is with the gf Oct 25 13:26:30 Monday, October 25 2010 <-- is how it's output from the top gnome-panel Oct 25 13:26:34 rmrfchik, yep MohammadAG fixes and python2.5-qt4 Oct 25 13:26:35 :) Oct 25 13:26:41 actually OTA *never* worked for anyone with reasonable number of apps installed Oct 25 13:26:45 MohammadAG, then gnome-panel is obviously broken. Oct 25 13:26:47 rmrfchik: that means you need to reflash, fwiw Oct 25 13:26:51 crashanddie, heh Oct 25 13:27:05 Arkenoi: I'm 100% sure it would work here, but that's because I smell apps breaking it from a hundred miles Oct 25 13:27:08 sivang: i will revert modest, pulse and desktop Oct 25 13:27:08 so i do not expect it to work now, either Oct 25 13:27:09 will see Oct 25 13:27:10 Arkenoi, works for me ... just remove conflicting package Oct 25 13:27:23 oh, now i have PR1.3 at OTA Oct 25 13:27:32 (unfortunately, and due to sdl-ttf bug, most of my apps also break it... :( ) Oct 25 13:27:38 Arkenoi: yes, but I guess this is not something for Maemo to solve already Oct 25 13:27:39 funny, I don't get any updates on the leaked 1.3 Oct 25 13:27:41 Arkenoi: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9089 Oct 25 13:27:42 with Sonera Finland Oct 25 13:27:42 Bug 9089: Upgrading Maemo itself (nokia official recommended upgrade) failed with "no enough space" on target device. Oct 25 13:27:49 meaning the released 1.3 is actually a released testing image? Oct 25 13:27:52 Khertan, ah, yes, and spend a few hours trying to find out which one is to blame and even more cleaning up / space Oct 25 13:27:53 javispedro: ttf was changed in pr1.3 Oct 25 13:28:03 i just update my n900.. how can i check if its pr 1.3 or not? Oct 25 13:28:15 kPb_in_: go to settings -> device information Oct 25 13:28:20 Arkenoi: or just look Oct 25 13:28:27 Is there a reason I can't see the update in update manager? I'm in the UK on an unlocked, unbranded straight-from-nokia N900. Oct 25 13:28:28 sivang, that's what i expected Oct 25 13:28:30 it should be running fw version 20.2010.36-2 Oct 25 13:28:38 X-Fade: everyone who upgraded to borked package will be able to SSU? Oct 25 13:28:48 "You can now enter a lowercase letter at the beginning of a sentence." is my favourite bugfix for 1.3 Oct 25 13:28:57 Arkenoi, it take me 10min Oct 25 13:29:01 kPb_in_: in the settings application goto about product and the version should say 20.2010.36-2 Oct 25 13:29:03 Oli```: nope Oct 25 13:29:05 javispedro, no, but they will be able to downgrade to the old one Oct 25 13:29:06 just read the detail in the update Oct 25 13:29:06 X-Fade: or -- more like everyone who upgraded to it will NOT be able to? :) Oct 25 13:29:06 :) Oct 25 13:29:08 erani, u meant About product? Oct 25 13:29:08 Shapeshifter: ** Oct 25 13:29:16 kPb_in_: err, yes :P Oct 25 13:29:21 X-Fade: (not blaming you ofc) Oct 25 13:29:26 still flash 9, i guess? Oct 25 13:29:29 erani, alterego cool thanx :) Oct 25 13:29:34 chem|st: so I should be able to see it? Oct 25 13:29:37 Shapeshifter: where's the changelog? Oct 25 13:29:42 Mohammad: I have got your SSU installed (no PR1.3 yet). Anything I should know about? Oct 25 13:29:47 MohammadAG: not until -devel is rebuilt! Oct 25 13:29:48 javispedro: No idea, why don't you try it out ;) Oct 25 13:29:57 \ Oct 25 13:29:59 Can /scratchbox be a symlink? Oct 25 13:30:09 alterego: it can be a bind mount... Oct 25 13:30:10 PR 1.3 was suppose to bring meego dual boot right? Oct 25 13:30:15 Urgh Oct 25 13:30:23 Oli```: I had that problem with 1.2 it showed in the install pages but not in the update page Oct 25 13:30:25 Shapeshifter, mine is the fix in the QListView scrolling :) Oct 25 13:30:28 kPb_in_: No. Oct 25 13:30:30 kPb_in_: yes Oct 25 13:30:35 Hmm Oct 25 13:30:38 chem|st, no Oct 25 13:30:40 ?? Oct 25 13:30:41 I just had an email from some headhunter Oct 25 13:30:48 kPb_in_, i don't know, but what i read from the blog, it gives the ability to do a dual boot Oct 25 13:30:51 alterego: rm -rf /scratchbox, a nice way to kill your system Oct 25 13:30:52 Khertan: what does it do? Oct 25 13:30:53 crashanddie: googlers? Oct 25 13:30:57 no no no! Oct 25 13:30:57 MohammadAG: thats what they said?! Oct 25 13:30:58 tybollt, dunno Oct 25 13:31:00 looks like my way of first updating with Faster Application Manager and then with the build in one worked :p Oct 25 13:31:08 * tybollt was headhunted for the current job... Oct 25 13:31:11 PR1.3 brings kexec patches to the kernel by default Oct 25 13:31:11 although it didn't allow me to update with the build in one first Oct 25 13:31:15 I had like 68Mt free Oct 25 13:31:17 tybollt, the guy is basically telling me off for them having _my_ CV in _their_ records, and that I'm not fit for the job. Oct 25 13:31:18 Shapeshifter, the viewport didn't remember well is original position Oct 25 13:31:23 it doesn't allow dual booting without a boot menu Oct 25 13:31:27 Shapeshifter, it s fixed in qt4.7 :) Oct 25 13:31:37 umm, is ovi store working for you guys? I can't click on anything on the store site after opening it from main menu Oct 25 13:31:39 MohammadAG: ah well Oct 25 13:31:40 crashanddie, as usual Oct 25 13:31:42 Scelt: couldn't find a changelog but apparently there's one on tmo but google hasn't cached it yet (or I couldn't find the cached version). Just hear-say from some random maemo page Oct 25 13:31:45 crashanddie: uhm... did you even apply for it..? Oct 25 13:31:53 Khertan, check QTextBrowser in 4.7 Oct 25 13:31:53 crashanddie: BS, nigerian 2.0 Oct 25 13:31:56 MohammadAG: keep sorting nuts for size pls Oct 25 13:31:57 Shapeshifter: okay Oct 25 13:32:00 tybollt, hint, I never applied. I sent him a response explaining I didn't apply for anything, and he responded by saying "Please stop wasting my time" Oct 25 13:32:02 MohammadAG, :) Oct 25 13:32:09 tosser. Oct 25 13:32:17 crashanddie: behave! Oct 25 13:32:17 Khertan, I think it's broken :P Oct 25 13:32:27 DocScrutinizer, no no, the company is legit, and so are the phone numbers. Oct 25 13:32:41 crashanddie: that's when you are to reply by means of dead cats in his mail or some such ;) Oct 25 13:32:42 so spam their phone Oct 25 13:32:46 crashanddie, most of time if i ve free time ... i wait for a meeting Oct 25 13:32:50 to insult them :) Oct 25 13:33:10 it s more funny Oct 25 13:33:11 :) Oct 25 13:33:35 crashanddie: anyway that was alarmingly retarded of that bloke... :-/ Oct 25 13:34:38 not unusual though Oct 25 13:34:47 Youhou ... Khweeteur Scrolling bug magically fixed by Qt4.7 Oct 25 13:34:47 :) Oct 25 13:35:16 RST38h: Really? I've only ever really had ... positive exeperience of the head hunters... Oct 25 13:35:20 hehehe, it was /etc/apt/preferences with pinned modest Oct 25 13:35:25 I may be the odd one out Oct 25 13:35:31 RST38h, usual in france Oct 25 13:35:42 remove preferences before upgrading Oct 25 13:35:51 Khertan: A rude frenchman? YOU DON'T SAY!?!?! Oct 25 13:35:55 * sivang boogles at freeswitch not passing and inbound call Oct 25 13:35:59 tybollt: hehe Oct 25 13:36:04 got the same experience ten or twenty time Oct 25 13:36:08 rmrfchik: thou shalt not play with pins! Oct 25 13:36:14 err, maemo update? Oct 25 13:36:22 auenf: so it seems Oct 25 13:36:23 DocScrutinizer: Needles however... ;) Oct 25 13:36:25 DocScrutinizer: blame MohammadAG! Oct 25 13:36:31 ;) Oct 25 13:36:34 oh well... it seems that after the update ovi store website doesn't work correctly for half of the time -.- Oct 25 13:36:35 rmrfchik: We all do... Oct 25 13:36:39 1.3, or something minor? Oct 25 13:37:26 I'm blaming MohammadAG since a week, for not building my kernel Oct 25 13:37:32 it hope it will not format my home partition Oct 25 13:37:54 Why would it? Oct 25 13:37:55 I'm blaming MohammadAG for bad weather here Oct 25 13:38:02 number look like the same as the leaked firmware Oct 25 13:38:06 hawaii_: dunno. I expect all from nokia Oct 25 13:38:21 Right. Oct 25 13:38:23 hmm, update claims to be 20.2010.36-2 Oct 25 13:38:37 DocScrutinizer: can I join this facebook club? Oct 25 13:38:59 nfc Oct 25 13:39:06 wtf is facebook? Oct 25 13:39:49 DocScrutinizer: do u know /facepalm? Oct 25 13:39:54 it's the same, but with books Oct 25 13:40:01 DocScrutinizer: Facebook is the opposite of Orwell's 1984' "Memory Hole" Oct 25 13:40:08 facebook is where only part-time computer users go to play flash games Oct 25 13:40:40 watch the doc to lrn2troll Oct 25 13:41:13 auenf: and full-time, from watching students's monitors =) Oct 25 13:41:16 rmrfchik: wouldn't be bricks much more effective? Oct 25 13:41:32 than books Oct 25 13:41:40 auenf: where do fulltime computer geeks play flash games? Oct 25 13:41:43 javispedro, students dont have anything else to do but play facebook games it seems Oct 25 13:41:52 quick question. I updated some qt mobility libraries (after removing libqt4-xxx), I see update available from apt-get but nothing in app manager. Should I use apt-get or just wait more? Oct 25 13:41:54 chem|st, on their N900's Oct 25 13:41:54 auenf: true Oct 25 13:42:07 well, i have 20mb free on /, i guess i should not even bother to try OTA, as expected :-/ Oct 25 13:42:18 auenf: I got no flash games... Oct 25 13:42:28 auenf: what is much more disturbing is that so many developers seem to have nothing better to do than *write* facebook games Oct 25 13:42:39 so how does the maemo/meego dualboot system work? Oct 25 13:42:44 but they dont limit themselves facebook games, they actually play real games Oct 25 13:42:55 dolp: it shows an interactive flash demo and people can't tell the difference. Oct 25 13:42:58 ahh, uninstalled libgles1-sgx-img and got OTA update working.. Oct 25 13:43:02 dolp: with a bootloader Oct 25 13:43:13 hmm, 0:37 Oct 25 13:43:18 l0up_: was the same for me. it killed off a couple of games Oct 25 13:43:25 thats not a good time to start installing a maemo update Oct 25 13:43:28 will sleep instead Oct 25 13:43:35 Arkenoi: just uninstall shit and clean root Oct 25 13:43:37 Arkenoi: try it depends on other space than / Oct 25 13:43:53 rootfs 227.9M 199.9M 23.8M 89% / Oct 25 13:44:01 this is _during_ installation Oct 25 13:44:24 N9 looks nice Oct 25 13:44:36 jacekowski, ? Oct 25 13:44:45 jacekowski: subjective... Oct 25 13:44:47 jacekowski: poor trolling Oct 25 13:44:49 is apt-get update the right way? ... anyone? Oct 25 13:44:52 there is a video on youtube Oct 25 13:45:00 DocScrutinizer: ? Oct 25 13:45:08 dolp: technically we don't really require pr1.3 for it.. Oct 25 13:45:10 jacekowski: an official Nokia video? Oct 25 13:45:15 no Oct 25 13:45:22 seba_: I do Oct 25 13:45:24 dolp: we'll be using u-boot Oct 25 13:45:34 seba_: more over, upgrading is on the way Oct 25 13:45:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVznicTiUOI Oct 25 13:45:39 dolp: boot chainload Oct 25 13:45:39 can I update pr1.3 without windows? Oct 25 13:45:45 oshin: yes Oct 25 13:45:47 it says something about nokia suite Oct 25 13:45:50 ok Oct 25 13:45:59 dolp: unrelated to pr1.3 Oct 25 13:46:03 thanks. Oct 25 13:46:03 completely Oct 25 13:46:14 err, jacekowski isn't that just e7... Oct 25 13:46:17 so anything on the positive side for today? :) Oct 25 13:46:20 Nokia PC Suite message should be placed in topic I think ;) Oct 25 13:46:27 * javispedro wonders what happened to those days where the question was "can I update to XXX with windows?" Oct 25 13:46:27 besides TMO missing in action, pr1.3 issues etc Oct 25 13:46:32 rmrfchik, thanks. will go with that then. Oct 25 13:46:39 javispedro: heh Oct 25 13:46:40 jacekowski, E7, meh Oct 25 13:46:52 oh jebus, his speech makes my teeth grate Oct 25 13:46:57 seba_: I was said to use app manager for upgrade. And I followed advise Oct 25 13:47:07 hehe Oct 25 13:47:20 mh Oct 25 13:47:46 so how much space in rootfs is needed for upgrade? Oct 25 13:48:03 prolly 47M as usual :-P Oct 25 13:48:03 oshin: for me helped to remove these packages: libqt4-test and libgles1-sgx-img . Before that it would not upgrade Oct 25 13:48:08 yup, all the 'n9' stuff that was previewed (that all still had symbian ui) is just the E7 Oct 25 13:48:17 * GAN900 is sorely tempted by a MacBook Air. Oct 25 13:48:20 I wonder why nothing come up in app manager while apt-get shows 66mb of available archives Oct 25 13:48:43 seba_: dont install! Oct 25 13:48:48 petteri, ok, thanks a lot. Oct 25 13:48:52 As expected, it wants me to flash via USB :-/ Oct 25 13:48:56 GAN900: NOOOOOO!!!!! Oct 25 13:49:01 GAN900: the very same GAN-the-netbook-hater is interested in Apple's Netbook offerings? =) Oct 25 13:49:08 DocScrutinizer: thx Oct 25 13:49:12 it is about 80 and as ussual it will break because of the missing 25mb Oct 25 13:49:15 need to flash via usb cause not enough rootfs? Oct 25 13:49:27 auenf: what's E7? Oct 25 13:49:40 gpd: don't go THERE!!! Oct 25 13:49:42 41M free - time to regain space Oct 25 13:49:43 oops Oct 25 13:49:44 http://kuvaton.com/browse/15985/mac3.jpg :P Oct 25 13:49:44 *AS EXPECTED*, there is no further diagnostics. Oct 25 13:49:45 that was Oct 25 13:49:46 symbian^3 Oct 25 13:49:51 http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-e7 Oct 25 13:50:00 n8 with a keyboard essentially Oct 25 13:50:06 GAN900: don't go there!! We must fight the temptation! Oct 25 13:50:18 auenf: I ee Oct 25 13:50:24 or should I say, I eee Oct 25 13:50:27 Er, not really. Oct 25 13:50:30 erani: lol Oct 25 13:50:41 It has the same "build" as the N8. Oct 25 13:50:51 btw Oct 25 13:51:02 why isn't /var/lib/dpkg optified? Oct 25 13:51:02 it gets huge Oct 25 13:51:04 It has an EDoF camera, and drops microsd, however. Oct 25 13:51:09 far too many phone buyers buy on design of the phone only ;) Oct 25 13:51:21 It feels great. Oct 25 13:51:31 But the nHD resolution kills it, IMHO. Oct 25 13:51:32 MohammadAG: because HAM is moving it dynamically to MyDocs? Oct 25 13:51:42 oj, kernel is updating... my overclocks!!! Oct 25 13:51:50 MohammadAG: good question Oct 25 13:51:58 javispedro, netbook hater? Oct 25 13:52:03 DocScrutinizer, impossible Oct 25 13:52:07 * GAN900 currently owns a Mini 9. Oct 25 13:52:12 DocScrutinizer, that Oct 25 13:52:13 DocScrutinizer: oh Oct 25 13:52:17 that's /var/lib/apt Oct 25 13:52:34 /var/lib/dpkg is NOT optified Oct 25 13:52:35 MohammadAG: wild guess, nothing more Oct 25 13:52:35 GAN900: stick to it, don't help Apple ales Oct 25 13:52:40 GAN900: *sales Oct 25 13:52:41 i own an eeepc 1000h w 10.10 right now, but my personal opinion would be that I'd never buy a thousand-dollar mini-pc... Oct 25 13:52:44 mini-mac* Oct 25 13:52:44 I'd like something that can handle RAW, though. Oct 25 13:53:00 GAN900: LG T380 UV Oct 25 13:53:07 * rmrfchik uses eee 901. it's just a magic with my debian Oct 25 13:53:09 GAN900: great machine, apart for very screwed up keyboard. Oct 25 13:53:23 but it so suck in c++ for n900 development :( Oct 25 13:53:25 sivang, you'll be very disappointed by my Mac Pro, then. :P Oct 25 13:53:26 GAN900: once I get meego onboard it, it will be even better Oct 25 13:53:32 GAN900: oh:/ Oct 25 13:53:43 sivang, screwed up keyboard is a non-starter. Oct 25 13:54:02 GAN900: which one? The new thin one? Oct 25 13:54:16 GAN900: well, I have a hunch it is ubuntu's too obtrusive throttling or something, so need to test with meego Oct 25 13:54:35 herm, scratchbox hathor does not have svn devkit packages :/ Oct 25 13:54:38 well.. seems like it was updated OK. at least, it asked me pin Oct 25 13:54:46 GAN900: I was able to build Qt 4.7 on it in 4 hours, including everything. Not bad for a netbook no? Oct 25 13:54:59 GAN900:didn't you something alone the lines of "a tablet/nit for mobile stuff, a laptop/workstation for big stuff"? Oct 25 13:55:02 *say Oct 25 13:55:09 alterego: were you able to upgrade your 1.2 sb? Oct 25 13:55:14 alterego: it completely brok emine Oct 25 13:55:15 alterego: grab apophis devkits, they work Oct 25 13:55:37 sivang: what you mean? I use hathor sb since it was released Oct 25 13:55:42 sivang: luckily I'm actually just reinstalling my laptop. Oct 25 13:55:51 :D Oct 25 13:56:11 javispedro, I'm now needing something that can handle 18MP photos on the road, though. Oct 25 13:56:21 aha! Oct 25 13:56:26 better get an alienware then Oct 25 13:56:29 GAN: A camera maybe? =) Oct 25 13:57:09 GAN900: thinkpad X201s, core i7, 6GB RAM, SSD, ~1kg. That's what I have :) Oct 25 13:57:21 It's kind of annoying, I always thought tablets-dev was the first to get updasted. Oct 25 13:57:25 * lbt touches "update" Oct 25 13:57:28 holy shit Oct 25 13:57:30 sdk update Oct 25 13:57:40 MohammadAG: broke completely Oct 25 13:57:49 * sivang will reinstall Maemo SDK Oct 25 13:57:59 ouch ... they slow down scrolling ... Oct 25 13:58:00 * RST38h trembles at the thought of updating SDK+/SB2 Oct 25 13:58:05 in pr1.3 Oct 25 13:58:16 that's bad Oct 25 13:58:18 "to update you must use PC suite..." ? Oct 25 13:58:19 RST38h, do python code no need for sdk and sb2 Oct 25 13:58:20 it was already slow in 1.2 Oct 25 13:58:28 lbt, now touch the details Oct 25 13:58:29 lbt: the infamous upgrade bug Oct 25 13:58:34 Khertan: in qt? Oct 25 13:58:35 sivang, how Oct 25 13:58:38 lbt, and remove the conflicting package you see :) Oct 25 13:58:38 madde update.. Oct 25 13:58:40 it just says "backup" Oct 25 13:58:53 Khertan, how could scrolling get slower. . . . Oct 25 13:58:54 lbt, before the intall :) Oct 25 13:59:09 reinstalling is for the faint hearted :P Oct 25 13:59:11 GAN900, there is less inertia Oct 25 13:59:27 hrw, in hildon-desktop Oct 25 13:59:28 * GAN900 facepalms. Oct 25 13:59:36 It's like Nokia hates usability. Oct 25 13:59:43 hrw, :) Oct 25 13:59:45 less inertia = faster scrolling Oct 25 13:59:46 Khertan: thanks.... non-obvious :) Oct 25 14:00:03 Tsk. TMO down? Oct 25 14:00:09 MohammadAG, ==more touch down to scroll == so more Oct 25 14:00:11 tmo MIA Oct 25 14:00:15 Jaffa, yes Oct 25 14:00:23 Khertan, where? Oct 25 14:00:32 MohammadAG: Any chance of a fremantle-1.3.1 with the Modest patches? Oct 25 14:00:34 So, is there an updated madde sysroot too? :D Oct 25 14:00:36 MohammadAG, hildon-desktop application menun Oct 25 14:00:41 And Nokia Qt SDK?! Oct 25 14:00:43 Khertan: I did not see any conflicting packages Oct 25 14:00:52 hopefully it s not the case in microb Oct 25 14:00:58 :) Oct 25 14:00:59 "New update! We threw in some bug fixes, but we need to figure out how to make it less usable and more obnoxious." Oct 25 14:01:00 ouf ... Oct 25 14:01:11 Khertan, check transitions.ini Oct 25 14:01:13 damn.. not enough memory for install Oct 25 14:01:17 Jaffa, sure, I was waiting for 1.3 Oct 25 14:01:24 MohammadAG, never touch it :) Oct 25 14:01:32 Jaffa, now I can announce the SSU, when I fix HAM and make it accept it Oct 25 14:01:33 can maemo make phone calls with a nokia n900 ;P? Oct 25 14:01:43 rotate in khweeteur is faster too Oct 25 14:01:44 * DocScrutinizer YAWNS at all 1.3 hype Oct 25 14:01:45 GAN900: hey, better than the last time where they less usable part was not trivially noticed :) Oct 25 14:01:45 Khertan, I'm asking you to Oct 25 14:01:53 s/they/the Oct 25 14:01:57 MohammadAG, where is it located ? Oct 25 14:02:07 Khertan, check if /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini has deceleration_rate Oct 25 14:02:09 * DocScrutinizer doesn't see a single point in updating right now Oct 25 14:02:24 Neither me. Oct 25 14:02:28 DocScrutinizer, Qt4.7 Oct 25 14:02:36 blaarg Oct 25 14:02:41 fix many bugs :) Oct 25 14:02:52 I can see this being a bit of a fail .. Oct 25 14:03:00 I fixed all bugs that annoyed me, without 1.3 Oct 25 14:03:01 qt4.7? that's newer stuff than my desktop runs Oct 25 14:03:03 :-P Oct 25 14:03:15 We all update to PR1.3 and there's no Nokia Qt SDK to develop with Oct 25 14:03:25 yep Oct 25 14:03:28 exactly Oct 25 14:03:32 Khertan: rotating in khweeteur was awful... Oct 25 14:03:35 DocScrutinizer: that means you have the changelog then? Oct 25 14:03:41 I thought maemo was focused on hildon ui? Oct 25 14:04:03 alterego: isn't that the exact same "chicken or the egg" problem that struck us last time around? :-S Oct 25 14:04:11 * KaffeeJunky123 just ordered a nokia n900 yesterday and is very eager to find out about maemo stuff Oct 25 14:04:26 welcome on board Oct 25 14:04:28 zImage-2.6.28-20103103+0m5 is PR1.3 kernel? Oct 25 14:04:29 reset Oct 25 14:04:32 Meh Oct 25 14:04:49 1007 packages to upgrade - nice set Oct 25 14:04:49 Well, I suppose we have scratchbox .... Oct 25 14:04:53 erani: not quite yet, the phone is yet to be delivered Oct 25 14:04:56 MohammadAG, http://pastebin.com/szqBpswH Oct 25 14:05:02 I fixed all bugs that annoyed me, without 1.3 <-- mail client? Oct 25 14:05:25 alterego, Nokia Qt SDK is useless ! Oct 25 14:05:29 oh damn Oct 25 14:05:30 * GAN900 contemplates attempting the upgrade on EDGE Oct 25 14:05:31 erani: I hope my prior linux experience will help with maemo, I'm using debian stable as my main os on my desktop. Oct 25 14:05:34 there's no bug annoying me in modest, as I largely ignore modest Oct 25 14:05:40 the hildon desktop conf was overwritten .... Oct 25 14:05:41 PR1.3 is now on tablets-dev Oct 25 14:05:44 modest is slow and slow Oct 25 14:05:46 and slow Oct 25 14:05:46 alterego: what do you mean? wouldn't the nokia qt sdk work on Maemo 1.3? Oct 25 14:05:48 why do they do that. that's what I call broken Oct 25 14:05:54 WHAT, THE, FUCK Oct 25 14:05:57 alternative to modest then? Oct 25 14:06:04 MohammadAG: ??? Oct 25 14:06:04 that's what I call make backups inb4 updating ^^ Oct 25 14:06:06 it's older than my package Oct 25 14:06:16 KaffeeJunky123: configs aren't supposed to be deleted on linux. Oct 25 14:06:16 No UK varient .. Oct 25 14:06:26 Khertan, it's quite awesome really :) Oct 25 14:06:27 Shapeshifter: I know, but just in case Oct 25 14:06:35 jacekowski, modest is old old old, I'll update my package for 1.3 Oct 25 14:06:49 auenf: Konversation/Kmail Oct 25 14:06:52 MohammadAG, ? the .ini ? Oct 25 14:07:00 alterego: not yet. Oct 25 14:07:01 PR1.3 is now on tablets-dev where? Oct 25 14:07:01 :) Oct 25 14:07:06 auenf: and even that is at it's limits with my mail Oct 25 14:07:21 X-Fade: well, I always use the global variant anyway ^.^ Oct 25 14:07:33 Shapeshifter: you never know when updates'll blow up things, it's not a linux only rule Oct 25 14:07:37 MohammadAG: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Oct 25 14:07:47 hildon-desktop in 1.3 is not the latest git source Oct 25 14:07:53 s/Konversation/Kontacts Oct 25 14:07:54 well, PR1.3 is released, start wishing for PR1.4. rinse-repeat. Oct 25 14:07:55 lol Oct 25 14:07:59 No updated eMMC content though ^.^ Oct 25 14:08:07 KaffeeJunky123: on linux, the rule is: don't overwrite configs and if you have to put a new config in place because of broken compatiblity, then make a backup before doing so. Oct 25 14:08:09 javispedro: think big. PR1.6! Oct 25 14:08:11 javispedro, last hildon-desktop :) Oct 25 14:08:17 javispedro: ask for ~pr1.5! Oct 25 14:08:21 hum ... map start faster Oct 25 14:08:22 * alterego starts speculating about PR1.4 Oct 25 14:08:32 PR1.4 will end world hunger! again! Oct 25 14:08:33 does it have voice navigation now? Oct 25 14:08:34 Maybe we should just start trolling users on tmo Oct 25 14:08:36 * maybeWTF ducks & covers Oct 25 14:08:37 Shapeshifter: wich simply means some packet maintainer fucked up the update Oct 25 14:08:38 did anyone get the new maemo update working without the pc suite?? Oct 25 14:08:41 Hah Oct 25 14:08:51 KaffeeJunky123: some *nokia* package maintainer ^^ Oct 25 14:08:53 where is pr1.3 fiasco image? i give up with ota. Oct 25 14:08:57 phryk: yeah Oct 25 14:08:59 Hahahah Oct 25 14:09:00 alterego: tmo down, too many lemmings today, too loud screams Oct 25 14:09:00 Khertan: I don't think it starts faster Oct 25 14:09:04 Shapeshifter: nothing less to expect from them I guess Oct 25 14:09:04 maybeWTF: no there's not Oct 25 14:09:06 Arkenoi: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Oct 25 14:09:15 erani: how much space did you have free on / Oct 25 14:09:30 Can everyone wait until I've downloaded it though, I don't want to have to wait an hour for the image to download if everyone starts ripping it .. Oct 25 14:09:39 wow Oct 25 14:09:46 mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/Desktop/PR1.3$ md5sum RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Oct 25 14:09:46 b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Oct 25 14:09:46 that's the leaked image Oct 25 14:09:48 wow? Oct 25 14:09:49 I see the N900 as a nerd toy capable of making phone calls, is that about right? Oct 25 14:09:54 b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin this is the official one Oct 25 14:09:58 If you'd all kindly wait 7 minutes for my download to complete ;) Oct 25 14:10:00 phryk: 84mb Oct 25 14:10:02 KaffeeJunky123: seems right Oct 25 14:10:05 KaffeeJunky123: pretty much Oct 25 14:10:08 erani: i have 81.2mb free Oct 25 14:10:09 mohammad, yes, we know Oct 25 14:10:14 so it is what I want =) Oct 25 14:10:14 leaked = official, I'm disappointed Oct 25 14:10:16 doesn't surprise me. Oct 25 14:10:18 erani: sure that it was the update that came out today? o_O Oct 25 14:10:21 Heh Oct 25 14:10:29 MohammadAG: lol, then I flashed the official one for nothing ... Oct 25 14:10:40 phryk: yeah :P double and triple-checked today Oct 25 14:10:47 MohammadAG: "disappointed" is the only word that comes after a PR update. You eventually realize it and stop wishing for those :) Oct 25 14:10:48 (not really, but yeah it's the correct one) Oct 25 14:11:10 javispedro, having qt4.7 make me happy :) Oct 25 14:11:22 I'm actually looking forward to Qt Ovi Maps with the voice navigation to N900... but I'm quite sceptical for it to come on the device, but you never know... Oct 25 14:11:37 No voice nav, sir. Oct 25 14:11:39 Damn, the leaked was the official global image? Oct 25 14:11:40 I really wish Oct 25 14:11:56 Meh. no good. modest still doesn't upload sent emails using IMAP Oct 25 14:11:58 crap. Oct 25 14:12:00 somebody would replace Nokia Oct 25 14:12:02 Or maybe the chinese have hacked tablets-dev .. Oct 25 14:12:09 hehe Oct 25 14:12:11 Hi, on pr1.3 (ota version) the repository for OVI is https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/ovi/ ? is correct ? Oct 25 14:12:12 that is funny Oct 25 14:12:21 GAN900: isn't intel replacing nokia? ^^ Oct 25 14:12:25 erani: weird, ill try to free the remaining 2mb :/ Oct 25 14:12:28 Shapeshifter: you expected sane mailer in maemo? Oct 25 14:12:37 Shapeshifter: aren't there dozens of other mail clients you could possibly use? Oct 25 14:12:38 MohammadAG: so version number was identical for leaked and current? Oct 25 14:12:41 alterego: so I need to do work in between, 1.3 does not have a compatble qt sdk yet? Oct 25 14:12:45 hrw: expect? no. have a glimmer of hope? yes Oct 25 14:12:54 alterego: or madde cross compilation env or am I fuding? Oct 25 14:12:57 phryk: no rush, Scelt had only ~60mb free, but you'll have to remove two packages to do the update (if you have them installed) Oct 25 14:13:04 sivang: should do in scratchbox, but no madde sysroot Oct 25 14:13:16 alterego: ah I see, back to the good 'o days Oct 25 14:13:16 erani: which ones? Oct 25 14:13:22 KaffeeJunky123: not really. they're not made for mobile use. apart from the sent mail thing and the fact that you cannot select text when viewing an email, modest is okay. Oct 25 14:13:25 at least for me Oct 25 14:13:32 alterego: how did you confirm that, tried deploying from creator to the new 1.3 running image? Oct 25 14:13:37 phryk: libqt4-test and libgles1-sgx-img Oct 25 14:13:42 Shapeshifter: lose all hope the ones who use maemo - or sth like that wrote one guy eons ago... Oct 25 14:13:50 ^^ Oct 25 14:13:55 GAN900: do you think a lot of our frustration and ill will towards Nokia, in fact I don't have any, but most peoples is actually because, what other company can anyone say they've worked so hard and close to for the past 4 years? Oct 25 14:13:57 sorry, took some time to scroll the logs for those pkg names... Oct 25 14:13:59 KaffeeJunky123: it is also quite slow Oct 25 14:14:07 For a community. Oct 25 14:14:36 Shapeshifter: hold shift and select the text you want? Oct 25 14:14:39 alterego, and what other company exists that manages to deliver a platform and product that's half as much as what Maemo is? Oct 25 14:14:39 DocScrutinizer, version number? meh, md5sums are equal Oct 25 14:14:40 Maybe because I'm not interested, but does microsoft/MSDN ever do what Nokia have done for/with us? Oct 25 14:14:46 LOL Oct 25 14:14:51 alterego: things aren't that bad. Maemo was and still provides the best development experience in my taste. Oct 25 14:14:57 frals: !!! Oct 25 14:15:01 re: openess and able to tinker with down stuff Oct 25 14:15:08 Anyone have any working QtMobility QContact related code? Oct 25 14:15:09 sivang: I don't think things are bad at all, I'm still having fun Oct 25 14:15:14 frals: thanks! I didn't know about that :< Oct 25 14:15:16 sivang: as long as emacs runs on it :> Oct 25 14:15:18 MohammadAG: md5sum are broken afaik ;-) Oct 25 14:15:20 MohammadAG: your bug-bashing was a 110% success stroy it seems Oct 25 14:15:22 besides - you don't have to pay 99$ per year to develop on n900 \o/ Oct 25 14:15:22 If I upgrade to PR 1.3 do I loose the power kernel or do I wait for a new power kernel or what? Oct 25 14:15:25 sorry* Oct 25 14:15:30 I'm merely talking about GAN900's snipe at Nokia a minute ago :P Oct 25 14:15:33 story* Oct 25 14:15:37 erani: i have neither of those Oct 25 14:15:39 it's just that this community has already gotten used to so high standards, that they like to affection-complain about stuff. Oct 25 14:15:43 phryk: strange Oct 25 14:15:45 DocScrutinizer, b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Oct 25 14:15:46 erani: right! Oct 25 14:16:05 b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784 Official Oct 25 14:16:11 erani: let me first try again Oct 25 14:16:15 lardman: I have... mycontacts Oct 25 14:16:19 removed lots of packages on my way^^; Oct 25 14:16:23 If I'd known that, I would have got the leaked ;) Oct 25 14:16:25 mhh Oct 25 14:16:43 nokia will send you the source code of open source stuff used in maemo on CD if you request it by mail xD Oct 25 14:16:46 phryk, and most of them were solely on emmc card, I suppose Oct 25 14:16:52 When did the leak leak, it was only thursday last week wasn't it? Oct 25 14:16:56 Shapeshifter: np :) Oct 25 14:16:59 I wonder if someone ever ordered one of those CDs. Oct 25 14:17:04 frals, I'm thinking some other person (or company) is broken Oct 25 14:17:11 alterego, Oct 8th. Oct 25 14:17:12 flashing n900 now Oct 25 14:17:21 ffs Oct 25 14:17:21 QTextBrowser has a bug in the leaked version Oct 25 14:17:36 I hope it's because of it being compiled against 4.6.2 Oct 25 14:17:46 oh YEAH! Oct 25 14:17:48 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8747 Oct 25 14:17:49 Bug 8747: Ringing tone selector crashes Settings application Oct 25 14:17:49 alterego, the image is dated week 36 Oct 25 14:17:51 XXX has a bug! Oct 25 14:17:56 ohnoes! Oct 25 14:17:58 so this is what 1.3 i about! Oct 25 14:18:00 Shapeshifter: could be fun to try :-) Oct 25 14:18:11 it is about my own precious bug that died some time ago...:-D Oct 25 14:18:27 * javispedro 's not getting any bugzilla spam, so... bad luck. Oct 25 14:18:27 thanks andre__ Oct 25 14:18:50 "try again next PR!" Oct 25 14:18:57 people, we should all agree it is fun to be here, right? Oct 25 14:18:59 javispedro: HAHAHA Oct 25 14:19:17 sivang, SDK update worked Oct 25 14:19:33 MohammadAG: okay, then something was crapped here Oct 25 14:19:34 javispedro: ask infobot about next PR, like ~pr1.4 and esp ~pr1.5 ! Oct 25 14:19:41 sivang, hardly anymore. Oct 25 14:19:58 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9963 lol nokia Oct 25 14:19:58 Bug 9963: Geolocation status in IM stops working after connection problem Oct 25 14:20:02 wontfix Oct 25 14:20:09 fcrochik: ah, great, will take a look Oct 25 14:20:27 Shapeshifter: :D Oct 25 14:20:29 "Not critical enough to fix in Maemo5" it's *broken* half of the time Oct 25 14:20:53 Shapeshifter: it is better to conceal your location, trust me. Oct 25 14:21:00 they're probably focusing on maemo6 Oct 25 14:21:04 sivang, sure :) Oct 25 14:21:05 "We don't have any resources committed to improving Maemo. It's still supported, though!" Oct 25 14:21:13 GAN900++ Oct 25 14:21:22 "supported" Oct 25 14:21:31 lardman: what are you looking for? Oct 25 14:21:40 andre__: the problem is, I had some trouble reproducing after 1.2, I will try harder after 1.3 Oct 25 14:21:42 you've the source code, so there are chances the community will fix it Oct 25 14:21:47 jaska, clearly the issue. Oct 25 14:21:51 fcrochik: adding a new contact Oct 25 14:21:58 andre__: I wish we could add automatic regression testing for that Oct 25 14:22:12 fcrochik: I'm parsing MECARDs decoded from QR code barcodes and trying to add them to the db Oct 25 14:22:25 andre__: I mean, it is quite expansive to find out those things, so once we found it, it is better to memorate it for eternity Oct 25 14:22:26 lardman: I haven't tried that... mycontacts is "readonly" Oct 25 14:22:30 KaffeeJunky123, depends. We don't have source for many things. Oct 25 14:22:47 fcrochik: ok, well at least I can see how you got the correct QContactManager backend Oct 25 14:22:58 GAN900: that's pretty stupid then ^^ Oct 25 14:23:03 rather than just trying each in turn until one works which is my current method Oct 25 14:23:03 lardman: cool idea! there is an example on git ...can't remember where I saw Oct 25 14:23:11 disable agps?:D Oct 25 14:23:32 where's the friggin changelog to convince me I want pr1.3? Oct 25 14:23:45 fcrochik: yeah I'm using an example I found, but I get an error, so thought I'd try to use something that is proven to work Oct 25 14:23:47 sivang: how so? Oct 25 14:23:56 lardman: that is the easy part....just use the default constructor.... there is only one backend for the n900... maemo5 Oct 25 14:24:03 DocScrutinizer: it's far snappier, that alone is worth it Oct 25 14:24:08 sivang: all people in my jabber contacts are people I know personally. and I'm not that paranoid about anything else Oct 25 14:24:12 fcrochik: ah ok Oct 25 14:24:22 Shapeshifter: kidding :) Oct 25 14:24:30 Shapeshifter: I personally don't like to share location, that's all Oct 25 14:24:32 andre__, has your job description been changed to "For the purpose of posterity" yet? :P Oct 25 14:24:39 lardman: sorry when I have a hard time believing in that Oct 25 14:24:49 lardman: you won't find the souce code for mycontats on the repository but feel free to let me know and I will get you whatever I have Oct 25 14:24:49 np :D Oct 25 14:24:59 fcrochik: ok cheers Oct 25 14:25:12 GAN900: what job description? I thought I'd simply s/maemo/meego :-P Oct 25 14:25:47 DocScrutinizer: from a qt pov it might be very well be snappier (qt4.7) Oct 25 14:26:12 lardman: are you sure this "much snappier" claim isn't caused by mere fact of reflashing clean, or simply removing cruft pkgs? Oct 25 14:26:24 Docscrutinizer: I did OTA Oct 25 14:26:40 * MohammadAG hates human psychology Oct 25 14:26:44 and only removed a couple of packages to clear some space, none of which run all the time Oct 25 14:26:44 why? cause it's shit Oct 25 14:26:59 it doesn't feel snappier to me Oct 25 14:27:03 PR 1.3 yay ! Oct 25 14:27:05 andre__, yeah, but they have Intel people to do your job in MeeGo. :P Oct 25 14:27:09 * MohammadAG remembers when someone said his device felt snappier cause of OCing, checked their device, it was @ 600MHz Oct 25 14:27:14 how will i know when the update comes on my phone ? Oct 25 14:27:19 he only thought it was OC'd, and so, it felt snapper Oct 25 14:27:19 Shapeshifter: oh, oh well Oct 25 14:27:23 MohammadAG: ACK!! Oct 25 14:27:26 MohammadAG: so the trick is to underclock? Oct 25 14:27:35 GAN900: yeah, but they suck as much as the Nokians sucked ;-) Oct 25 14:27:46 I'm using fapman for the upgrade, hope there won't be any issues Oct 25 14:27:52 maybeWTF: the trick is age old and called placebo Oct 25 14:27:58 Intel people Oct 25 14:28:04 they're focused on their platform only Oct 25 14:28:06 andre__: I should talk to timo and vilvo probably right? :) Oct 25 14:28:15 doubt they'll do anything about arm Oct 25 14:28:16 no tricks, our brains are shit Oct 25 14:28:32 andre__: well, at least it seems like your subversive methods are having an effect :) Oct 25 14:28:35 * MohammadAG replaces brain with a core i7 Oct 25 14:28:46 don't do it Oct 25 14:28:51 registry optimizers (WinShit) using this 'trick' all the time Oct 25 14:28:54 i wouldn't do that MohammadAG, it can't program itself :)) Oct 25 14:29:11 MohammadAG: our brains are quite good. they're just bad at maths. Oct 25 14:29:13 andre__, doesn't https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10294 need a comment of yours :) Oct 25 14:29:14 Bug 10294: Email desktop widget does not display mails from Nokia Messaging accounts Oct 25 14:29:23 VladNistor: I am using good old apt-get ;D Oct 25 14:29:27 sivang: no idea who those both actually are, sorry :) Oct 25 14:29:30 VladNistor: in remote ssh session Oct 25 14:29:37 DocScrutinizer: didn't work for me, auctually those crappy tools tend to make windoze even slower Oct 25 14:29:37 andre__: qa people. nevermind :) Oct 25 14:29:51 andre__, yeah, convincing they're managers of that is problematic, though. Oct 25 14:30:19 DocScrutinizer: switching to gnu/linux helped though Oct 25 14:30:30 sivang, maybe I have seen them of some list but not on a public mailinglist yet. but they are welcome to ;-) Oct 25 14:30:33 hrw, yeah, that should work too. I think fapman doesn't store it's stuff on the small rootfs, so i shouldn't run into the issues some people are having with connecting to a pc Oct 25 14:31:07 andre__: right, I was just looking for meeg-qa ml and failed Oct 25 14:31:14 uhm Oct 25 14:31:17 fapman *giggle* Oct 25 14:31:20 there's meego-qa@ Oct 25 14:31:25 and it just had a shitload of qa reports posted Oct 25 14:31:34 sivang: so let's take over. I don't care if people have some position on a paper. It's what you *do* and act ;-) Oct 25 14:31:45 hi. while trying to work around the "flacs are not seekable" bug, I installed decibel-audio-player (from the official tarball) and all its dependencies Oct 25 14:32:02 it's a great time for that. many things still to define :) Oct 25 14:32:23 VladNistor: to tell the truth tricks which fapman does makes me want to hack fapman to stop doing it Oct 25 14:32:41 Stskeeps, one intel person even answers part of my question on that mailing list (and doesn't answer a few others) Oct 25 14:33:03 tmo seems to be back Oct 25 14:33:19 MohammadAG, Re 10294: Right. but I wonder what to do as 50% are WONTFIX and 50% are FIXED :-P Oct 25 14:33:38 problem: it crashes on startup, unless I unset GTK2_RC_FILES. Any existing bug on that? How to debug? Oct 25 14:33:40 andre__: okay, thanks :) Oct 25 14:33:46 alterego: tmo maybe found some time to answer your request - that doesn't mean it's 'back' Oct 25 14:33:54 andre__, add a FIXED...NOT option to bugzilla Oct 25 14:33:57 Heh Oct 25 14:34:22 another 20 packages to install... Oct 25 14:34:36 andre__: and nice to see you around, are you coming to meego-conf? Oct 25 14:34:40 MohammadAG: you mean NOTABUGFORNOKIA? Oct 25 14:34:50 KOWABUNGA? Oct 25 14:35:14 turtles rule! Oct 25 14:35:14 or just WEDONOTCAREMAYBEINMEEGO Oct 25 14:35:30 hrw: that'll be better, at least fo rthe community Oct 25 14:35:36 WEDONTSPEAKNOAMERICANO Oct 25 14:35:42 heh Oct 25 14:35:54 sivang, yepp. I even have a talk on MeeGo bugtriaging, but on Wednesday morning and after a party evening. I have the naive hope that some "MeeGo QA" people will attend so one could discuss Oct 25 14:36:06 sivang: but community uses devices which will not be supported in nokiameego Oct 25 14:36:41 ok, fingers crossed. rebooting n900 Oct 25 14:36:50 andre__: abandon all hope Oct 25 14:37:19 sivang: so maemo5 bugs can be fixed or ignored. mostly are ignored Oct 25 14:37:23 andre__: well, even if not,I have some hopes for my talk to create some traction and discussion, qa should be one of the subjects, although there are already quite some :) Oct 25 14:37:42 hrw: some of the wontfix are sad, indeed. Oct 25 14:37:50 the upgrade one the most for me.. Oct 25 14:37:55 ~hail wdgt_bd_done Oct 25 14:37:55 * infobot bows down to wdgt_bd_done and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Oct 25 14:38:01 sivang, when is yours? Oct 25 14:38:05 as it is used as mockery of the platform by other platform owners Oct 25 14:38:07 my phone lost l10n Oct 25 14:38:21 andre__: wed as well I think Oct 25 14:38:24 yay Oct 25 14:38:30 wdgt_va_ago_minutes Oct 25 14:38:53 andre__: and I have timeless to keep me realisitc :) Oct 25 14:39:11 hrw, talking about fapman, it stopped after downloading 600/1021 packages Oct 25 14:39:15 andre__: actually, it would help if you could come and provide you view of things, to be recorded and documented Oct 25 14:39:37 andre__: check the abstrac,t I don't want to log into the site too many times form here:) Oct 25 14:40:30 * hrw goes to change cpal_fi_pr_device_language Oct 25 14:41:00 WHAT. THE. Oct 25 14:41:08 ok, have a nice time /me -> other uds session Oct 25 14:41:13 libgls1-sgx-img is broken again in this PR? Oct 25 14:41:25 (I did not try but already getting PMs about it...) Oct 25 14:41:35 Define broken. Oct 25 14:41:45 mismatched version with sgx-img-common Oct 25 14:41:48 javispedro: Every update will break apps. As it has strict dependencies. Oct 25 14:41:50 (uninstallable package) Oct 25 14:41:51 Yes. Oct 25 14:42:24 X-Fade: the issue is that, not being part of the core image, its version number "falls behind". until someone realizes and bumps it, that is. Oct 25 14:42:30 Are we talking post or pre update? Oct 25 14:42:35 post-update Oct 25 14:42:44 Yes, it is broken. Oct 25 14:42:58 hah Oct 25 14:43:16 * javispedro prepares for the eventual PM flood, creates gmail filter for @tmo stuff Oct 25 14:43:21 is there any speculation as to N900 NG what it'll be and when it is due? Oct 25 14:43:41 there was a (obviously fake) pic floating around... Oct 25 14:43:59 NIT NG? or what? Oct 25 14:44:25 the N9 builds "off" the N900 Oct 25 14:44:44 E7-style device, N900-style internals. Oct 25 14:44:48 i got this maemo 5 update shown on my mobile should i update guys ? Oct 25 14:45:00 or charge my battery and update Oct 25 14:45:01 anyway, off to freeswitch Oct 25 14:46:00 hawaii_: URL? :) Oct 25 14:46:21 IRL. Oct 25 14:46:22 anyone ? Oct 25 14:46:31 xDaReaperx: having a fully charged battery prior to updating is always a good idea - good on you. Oct 25 14:46:40 ok ty Oct 25 14:46:48 should i update from the mobile Oct 25 14:46:54 or use flasher ? Oct 25 14:46:54 sure, why not Oct 25 14:47:00 ok Oct 25 14:47:08 try OTA first Oct 25 14:47:22 cause i read elsewhere you need vanilla emcc or something Oct 25 14:47:27 ok Oct 25 14:47:37 i can install meego later right ? Oct 25 14:47:48 sure you can Oct 25 14:47:49 was there any kind of official changelog for pr1.3? Oct 25 14:47:55 ok ty Oct 25 14:48:03 jarkkom: everyone's asking, so far nothing... Oct 25 14:48:13 <-- official FAQ engine today... :-/ Oct 25 14:48:35 tybollt: thanks for that :-) Oct 25 14:48:53 Venemo_N810: hey, the changelog is here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt Oct 25 14:49:35 BTW: hi lcuk Oct 25 14:49:37 ;) Oct 25 14:49:53 \o Oct 25 14:50:00 * lcuk been busy today Oct 25 14:50:03 is there any details about that dualboot option thing? Oct 25 14:50:42 I was actually just about to test kexec ;) Oct 25 14:51:03 Has work not shifted to uBoot? Oct 25 14:51:05 alterego: ooo Oct 25 14:51:21 * sivang hopes for the 1.3 changelog to come soon Oct 25 14:51:24 too bad there isn't qt mobility 1.1 yet for n900 as that would've added map widget to qt :| Oct 25 14:51:27 If I upgrade to PR 1.3 do I loose the power kernel or do I wait for a new power kernel or what? Oct 25 14:51:28 but maybe it can be accessed from the HAM? Oct 25 14:51:38 dolp: dualboot as in meego is done via chainloading uBoot bootloader. It's not related to kexec Oct 25 14:51:43 * lcuk ponders Oct 25 14:51:48 sorry for being blank (just say yes!) but what's the power kernel? Oct 25 14:51:52 nokia sucks Oct 25 14:52:04 ~tell sivang about pr1.3 Oct 25 14:52:19 sivang: custom kernel that allows overclocking and has other stuff Oct 25 14:52:21 upgrade to 1.3 from FAM should be safe, yes? Oct 25 14:52:26 Apparently already had working kexec Oct 25 14:52:28 better nuke maemo and stick with nitdroid or meego Oct 25 14:52:33 my favivourite bug with l10n is not fixed Oct 25 14:52:34 sivang: The custom kernel with IPv6 and ext4 etc. Oct 25 14:52:41 they don't bother fixing silly bug that block the usage for my people Oct 25 14:52:45 and don't release the source Oct 25 14:52:51 stupid company with stupid engineers Oct 25 14:53:12 * oshin gets away Oct 25 14:53:37 dos1: it is better to use application manager -- it will work nevertheless. Oct 25 14:53:37 oshin: you're a nokia employee?! Oct 25 14:54:38 * chem|st patches tybollt with PR1.3 now available at tablets-dev.nokia.com Oct 25 14:56:09 eMMC image going to be updated? (tablets-dev.nokia.com) Oct 25 14:56:32 ~tell dolp about flashing Oct 25 14:57:02 wonder why DocScrutinizer does ~tell tybollt to GTFO all the time :( Oct 25 14:57:03 ;) Oct 25 14:57:24 tybollt: ??? Oct 25 14:57:24 doc ok :) Oct 25 14:57:34 is it "normal" that sometimes while charging the orange led does not blink? :/ Oct 25 14:57:35 DocScrutinizer: I was just joking around... never mind :) Oct 25 14:57:54 DocScrutinizer: I've a terrible sense of humour Oct 25 14:58:34 Gh0sty, usually means it's not actually charging. Oct 25 14:58:51 oshin: yeah, blame the engineers, its probably their fault....... Oct 25 14:58:51 sivang: I have to say the linked URL isn't a proper changelog either Oct 25 14:58:53 hmm, running the update via shell on an ssh session is much more convenient, and it doesnt complain about leeching it via umts or because of package conflicts Oct 25 14:58:54 or emergency charging Oct 25 15:00:51 DocScrutinizer: noted Oct 25 15:02:16 ~PR1.3 Oct 25 15:02:17 pr1.3 is, like, the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt Oct 25 15:02:34 any known conflicts for pr1.3? ussd widget? advanced kernel? Oct 25 15:03:55 Arkenoi, libqt4-test Oct 25 15:04:18 GAN900: it is charging, if i look at the screen it shows the battery icon as charging ... Oct 25 15:04:19 Gh0sty: MUHAHA Oct 25 15:04:19 what? :p Oct 25 15:04:19 ghosts in the machine? :p Oct 25 15:04:20 ~flatbatrecover Oct 25 15:04:20 Since when upgrading the firmware over ssu requires PC Suite Oct 25 15:04:20 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Oct 25 15:04:20 yay Oct 25 15:04:20 ArGGu^^: since you have packages in conflict or not enough space Oct 25 15:04:20 QTextBrowser broken even when using 1.3 SDK, nice, it was working on 1.2 and now they broke it Oct 25 15:04:20 * MohammadAG cba to open a bug Oct 25 15:04:20 Heh Oct 25 15:04:20 won't be fixed Oct 25 15:04:21 chem|st well then I must have conflict with packages Oct 25 15:04:21 MohammadAG: come on, of course it will PR1.4 ftw! Oct 25 15:04:21 ArGGu^^: qt4 testing and gles-sdx Oct 25 15:04:42 I have not installed none of those Oct 25 15:04:47 frals, for being too stupid to fix a silly bug they invented in PR1.2 and my device can't sms anymore yes, i can blame them. Oct 25 15:04:55 alterego, meh Oct 25 15:05:03 uninstall some devel and testing apps... Oct 25 15:05:06 says, SMS Oct 25 15:05:21 I only have apps from the extra Oct 25 15:05:24 oshin: ah? what kindof bug? Oct 25 15:05:28 err, what's up with infobot and services Oct 25 15:05:28 oshin: why does it stop SMS? Oct 25 15:05:46 sivang, text input mess up for my language. Oct 25 15:06:02 ~botsnack Oct 25 15:06:02 DocScrutinizer: thanks Oct 25 15:06:14 sivang, and I reported a bug a few months ago Oct 25 15:06:23 ArGGu^^: then it is space Oct 25 15:06:24 Just rembered I have one app that is not from maemo repos Oct 25 15:06:38 W*T*F?? Oct 25 15:06:46 #10747 Oct 25 15:06:48 hmm, how do i update with a half-broken usb port? Oct 25 15:06:52 :3 Oct 25 15:07:04 kerio: wifi? Oct 25 15:07:13 oshin: yes, this is surely all nokia engineers fault, they are all idiots, lets burn em Oct 25 15:07:37 chem|st: good point Oct 25 15:07:40 but i updated libsdl Oct 25 15:07:44 so i'm not sure if that will work Oct 25 15:07:49 * chem|st hands matches to oshin Oct 25 15:08:02 frals, I didn't say all. Oct 25 15:08:28 17:48:59 < oshin> stupid company with stupid engineers Oct 25 15:08:40 see there's no all in that Oct 25 15:08:55 theres no word indicating anyone specific either Oct 25 15:09:04 ^^^^^ frals is a nokia engineer and one of the worlds leading MMS developers :P Oct 25 15:09:22 frals, then it's your problem. Oct 25 15:09:30 frals, and like I care. Oct 25 15:09:30 maah wtf Oct 25 15:09:33 * kerio hugs frals Oct 25 15:09:48 i can't update because the sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list is fucked up Oct 25 15:09:50 *sigh* Oct 25 15:09:59 and not the repos i added, but the ones that are there by default o_O Oct 25 15:10:08 oshin: please take your nokia complains to nokia care, they are happy to hear them Oct 25 15:10:12 I just started a "apt-get dist-upgrade".... am I going to regret it? Oct 25 15:10:25 fcrochik: maybe Oct 25 15:10:32 fcrochik: if you have devel/testing enabled you might Oct 25 15:10:47 frals, no, i won't, coz that's the reason why i will stop spending time with maemo Oct 25 15:10:48 Probably. Oct 25 15:10:50 frals: I surely do! Oct 25 15:10:56 fcrochik: depends on the active repos Oct 25 15:11:09 fcrochik: chances are you will regret it then :) Oct 25 15:11:24 frals: with sdk active sure he will Oct 25 15:11:26 chem|st remove amsn but still wants pc suite, I have 25,69gb free for my docs and for apps 1,55gb free Oct 25 15:11:34 frals: great! I assume trying to stop will be even worst, right? Oct 25 15:11:35 oshin: so please do that Oct 25 15:11:36 kerio: you did what to libsdl? Oct 25 15:11:36 oshin: please dont complain in the maemo community channel then Oct 25 15:11:41 ArGGu^^: and / Oct 25 15:11:41 javispedro: updated it Oct 25 15:11:49 looks like PR1.3 finally fixed my Ovi suite on my win7 64bit machines Oct 25 15:11:51 fcrochik: dunno, im no expert, just going on past mistakes ;D Oct 25 15:11:54 kerio, i don't care Oct 25 15:12:01 can someone tell me what to put there instead of "./" ? i tried "fremantle-1.2 free non-free" but that did not work Oct 25 15:12:04 fcrochik: if it is still downloading just ctrl-c it Oct 25 15:12:05 * Arkenoi just never used ovi suite Oct 25 15:12:07 kerio: is it changed? O.o /me faints Oct 25 15:12:16 frals, i can sure don't care to leave my last words Oct 25 15:12:19 chem|st: no...that is the problem ...it has removed a lot of stuff already Oct 25 15:12:25 forum taking a beating? Oct 25 15:12:40 you seem to care a lot for someone whos not caring :) Oct 25 15:12:44 fcrochik: what was the install size? Oct 25 15:12:51 or dl size? Oct 25 15:13:07 chem|st: don't remember but was a "lot" Oct 25 15:13:17 fcrochik: 84MB? Oct 25 15:13:23 chem|st 85.7mb Oct 25 15:13:35 in / Oct 25 15:13:41 ArGGu^^: free? Oct 25 15:13:46 yes Oct 25 15:14:06 what is the ssu package name? Oct 25 15:14:13 chem|st: no idea....it is still removing... :( Oct 25 15:14:18 anyone knows? Oct 25 15:14:20 ArGGu^^: then I dont know why it is requesting suite upgrade Oct 25 15:14:28 should SSU just automagically work? Oct 25 15:14:36 fcrochik: screwed... but there is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Oct 25 15:14:44 chem|st ok thanks for help Oct 25 15:14:51 yes, SSU should "just work". Oct 25 15:15:08 chem|st: one day I will learn to ask the question first.... Oct 25 15:15:09 fcrochik: while it is deleting and upgrading let backup run Oct 25 15:15:25 <<-- probably a conflicting package Oct 25 15:15:26 chem|st: I ran backup first...at least! Oct 25 15:15:40 libqt4-test is one possible Oct 25 15:15:58 Khertan: is that in extras? Oct 25 15:16:05 just read what it s say in the details about which are the conflicting package Oct 25 15:16:09 chem|st, probably not Oct 25 15:16:25 answered yourself Oct 25 15:16:30 ooh an update for maemo 5 :i Oct 25 15:16:35 pr 1.3 is out ? :o Oct 25 15:16:46 chem|st, lol Oct 25 15:16:47 Gh0sty: you are one of the faster people arent you? Oct 25 15:16:50 it seems to be removing EVERY package on the device, including ALL applications Oct 25 15:17:00 nawak Oct 25 15:17:10 fcrochik: at least anything with hildon or osso in its name... Oct 25 15:17:28 chem|st: not just....every application (including the ones I created :( ) Oct 25 15:17:39 Does the PR.13 show any changes ? like the browser loads faster ? Oct 25 15:18:03 xDaReaperx: still removing stuff from flashing Oct 25 15:18:05 everything seems the same to me Oct 25 15:18:08 ok Oct 25 15:18:15 yeah must be only bug fixes Oct 25 15:18:15 GREAT NEWS! yes! yes.... the phone just crashed! :( Oct 25 15:18:34 will the MohammadAG's better kinetic scrolling interfere with the update ? Oct 25 15:19:01 no, it'll just remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr Oct 25 15:19:06 ok ty Oct 25 15:19:09 hahah Oct 25 15:19:11 lol Oct 25 15:19:19 xDaReaperx: at first view it seems to be a bit more responsive when on load Oct 25 15:19:28 so there are no release notes? Oct 25 15:19:30 yeah the browser starts up faster Oct 25 15:19:33 i think Oct 25 15:20:17 I really don't notice a difference .. Oct 25 15:20:22 felipec: no Oct 25 15:20:30 chem|st in the updates details in summary tab also is that it needs PC Suite Oct 25 15:20:33 felipec: at least not for devices Oct 25 15:20:45 oshin: this is a cmmunity channel - send a mail to Nokia if you want to shout at them or let them know you're pissed. We dn't care and can't help Oct 25 15:20:52 ArGGu^^: what does the installs show? Oct 25 15:20:55 Mohammad: Should I remove the generic-pr package before installing PR1.3? Oct 25 15:21:08 o_O Oct 25 15:21:14 how are you installing it? Oct 25 15:21:27 chem|st there is not installs tab :S Oct 25 15:21:44 Has anyone tested PR 1.3 with power-kernel multiboot and or nitdroid? Oct 25 15:22:11 DocScrutinizer, I won't send one, I don't even bother with that anymore why you? Oct 25 15:22:18 Mohammad: I still do not have it showing up in the HAM, but going to do it with apt-get install Oct 25 15:22:21 just let it go coz I already gave up. Oct 25 15:22:35 chem|st found the reason the is problems tab and it has conflict with libgles1-sqx-img Oct 25 15:23:02 so... where's the ssu Oct 25 15:23:03 ArGGu^^: that I told you at the beginning Oct 25 15:23:10 RST38h, you'll need to downgrade all 5 packages first Oct 25 15:23:18 not that I never sent, must let you know, they don't bother, actually i should sue them if I have time. so I let you know so you don't waste time suggesting anyone to do that. Oct 25 15:23:25 chem|st yeah but why I have somtehing like that installed :S Oct 25 15:23:28 they don't care my problem. Oct 25 15:23:29 MohammadAG: could you pastebin necessary lines? Oct 25 15:23:31 *something Oct 25 15:23:35 RST38h, sedc Oct 25 15:23:36 sec Oct 25 15:23:48 DocScrutinizer: there are some Nokia people here who do care Oct 25 15:23:58 oshin: I don't know what's your problem, but if you reported a bug "a few months" ago, that was probably too late for PR1.3 Oct 25 15:24:26 Can anyone who has updated to PR 1.3 post the results of uname -a here? Oct 25 15:24:31 oh shit 93mb of archives Oct 25 15:24:32 is that right? Oct 25 15:24:35 guys, help me here Oct 25 15:24:51 kerio: yeah the pr itself is about 84 Oct 25 15:25:03 can i just upgrade with apt? Oct 25 15:25:05 ahynes1: Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown Oct 25 15:25:11 ahynes1, August 6 if that's what you want Oct 25 15:25:20 try ham first Oct 25 15:25:22 felipec, 3 months ago, my bad then Oct 25 15:25:40 ham doesn't let me :( Oct 25 15:25:48 felipec: That's what I was looking for... Oct 25 15:25:51 what does it say? Oct 25 15:26:13 kerio: use pc-suite? Oct 25 15:26:25 chem|st: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Oct 25 15:26:37 oshin: no, it's not your fault, there just wasn't much time to fix that when your bug was posted Oct 25 15:26:39 i'm using PC suit Oct 25 15:26:40 Looks like it doesn't anything substantial the kernel, still 2.6.28 so power-kernel and nitdroid *should* still work. Oct 25 15:26:43 if i could flash i'd just flash Oct 25 15:26:45 kerio: what? if yes you have a conflicting package Oct 25 15:27:05 oshin: anyway, I recommend you contact Nokia customer support Oct 25 15:27:21 felipec, thanks, I did, several time Oct 25 15:27:49 libgles1-sgx-img and qt4-test conflict Oct 25 15:27:58 see? I should sue them. Oct 25 15:28:04 but i won't waste my time. Oct 25 15:28:12 coz I don't use SMS Oct 25 15:28:12 oshin: what is it about anyway? Oct 25 15:28:29 but the rest of others who were cheated Oct 25 15:28:49 pastebin.com down? :P Oct 25 15:29:00 chem|st, forget about it. don't bother. let it goes, like river. Oct 25 15:29:08 RST38h, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yMQvkDF8 Oct 25 15:29:13 that should do it I suppose Oct 25 15:29:16 Thanks, Mohammad! =) Oct 25 15:29:21 oshin: maybe we could fix this problem n community? Oct 25 15:29:26 if not, I'll need to get you the packages from my old SDK :) Oct 25 15:29:35 where should SSU appear, really? Oct 25 15:29:51 apt tells me there are a thousand upgrades Oct 25 15:29:57 some people already had it Oct 25 15:30:01 Will try once I get home from work, looks like US still has not got PR1.3 Oct 25 15:30:07 DocScrutinizer, I wasn't sure, there's no source. Thanks for a lot of your helps in the past I really appreciate them. Oct 25 15:30:32 funny thing, tmo is not the fastest webserver today =) Oct 25 15:30:35 may be they need to learn a lesson for not to buy nokia product. Oct 25 15:30:45 apt tells me I have 1042 packages to upgrade... I'm about to try an OTA upgrade. Worked nicely when I went from 1.1 to 1.2 Oct 25 15:30:47 kerio: apt-get remove libgles1-sgx* qt4-test Oct 25 15:30:50 oshin: sue sue! Oct 25 15:31:03 kerio: and look into ham again Oct 25 15:31:27 hi Oct 25 15:31:36 any armel developpers there? Oct 25 15:31:37 javispedro, there are a few more important stuffs I need to spend time in court. Oct 25 15:31:50 javispedro, may be if this happen again in my life, i will. Oct 25 15:31:57 oshin: I might want to have a look into it. Is there any bug report where it's precisely described how to reproduce the issue? Oct 25 15:32:12 alterego, is there a way to set background colour explicitly? Oct 25 15:32:15 DocScrutinizer, #10747 Oct 25 15:32:29 oshin, bug 10747 you mean Oct 25 15:32:31 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10747 Corrupted Thai text in conversation input box when using backspace. Oct 25 15:32:39 lcuk, yes. Oct 25 15:32:48 please use the bugbot correctly it helps people know what you are waffling about Oct 25 15:32:49 * DocScrutinizer .oO("maybe related to SMS PDU") Oct 25 15:32:50 MohammadAG: setStylesheet('background-color: #000000'); Oct 25 15:32:50 oshin: so don't make mistakes :) Oct 25 15:33:03 chem|st got it now to upgrade the libgles1 was in tuxrace depends, so thats whyt it was installed. Thanks for the help. Oct 25 15:33:21 kerio, practically it is impossible to do that. Oct 25 15:33:22 How to modify Makefile to compile armel? Oct 25 15:33:35 What are the cflags? Oct 25 15:34:56 i'm connecting the n900 using cable and through PC suit , my PC suit also detects the phone , but it keeps telling me to update the device you must use PC suit on your PC Oct 25 15:35:49 is it worth it to upgrade to pr 1.3? Oct 25 15:36:00 rst38h: I'm doing an OTA pr 1.3 in the U.S. as we speak Oct 25 15:36:02 pronto: no, stay with PR1.0 Oct 25 15:36:10 ahynes1: Does not let me do it Oct 25 15:36:12 alterego, without using styleSheets Oct 25 15:36:19 eh? 1.0? :/ Oct 25 15:36:22 MohammadAG: what's wrong with stylesheets? Oct 25 15:36:24 ahynes1: do you know the exact package name by any chance? Oct 25 15:36:33 alterego: they are evil? Oct 25 15:36:34 อาอา อาอา อาอ hmmm Oct 25 15:36:36 RST38h: he's just a bit irritated :) Oct 25 15:36:43 oops Oct 25 15:36:47 pronto: ^^ Oct 25 15:36:48 alterego: They do not show up in Lynx? Oct 25 15:36:51 MohammadAG: well: hang on, I'll mock up a pastie as it's a couple of line worth Oct 25 15:36:59 pronto: you can upgrade, but not sure what the result will be, handle with care (tm) Oct 25 15:37:17 bbl Oct 25 15:37:23 DocScrutinizer, note that in my language it's Ah, Ah, Ahhhhh, hmmm Oct 25 15:37:29 brb Oct 25 15:37:38 pronto: some of us had some tinkering to be done after the upgrade, or before Oct 25 15:37:38 RST38h: I'm doing it from the command line: sudo apt-get upgrade Oct 25 15:37:44 some conflicting packages, et al Oct 25 15:37:46 Probably mentioned already but the PR1.3 images are now up on tablet-dev Oct 25 15:37:52 ahynes: ok Oct 25 15:37:53 ~tell pronto 1.3 Oct 25 15:38:19 Phase one is giving me 242 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 75 to remove and 802 not upgraded. Oct 25 15:38:29 oshin: this is definitely not occurring in any other txt input field, just conversations? Oct 25 15:38:29 ~tell Oct 25 15:38:37 MohammadAG: http://pastie.org/1247564 Oct 25 15:38:40 Something liek that Oct 25 15:38:50 This is actually from removing a bad app. Next, I'll do apt-get dist-upgrade to get the remaining 802 packages. Oct 25 15:39:02 ~tell pronto about pr1.3 Oct 25 15:39:12 DocScrutinizer, yes, just the conversation Oct 25 15:39:14 hmm, I am not godo at this Oct 25 15:39:35 alterego, ty, rebooting Oct 25 15:39:41 DocScrutinizer, may be something to do with the smiley support Oct 25 15:40:09 quite reasonable assumption Oct 25 15:40:23 alterego: what's that brush doing? Oct 25 15:40:29 * alterego installs his scratchbox targets Oct 25 15:40:31 hmm Oct 25 15:40:40 sivang: setting the background color of the widget :) Oct 25 15:40:52 MohammadAG: oh, and you need widget->setAutoFillBackground(true) Oct 25 15:41:14 Ahahaha Oct 25 15:41:22 Apparently, "I live in United Kingdom" Oct 25 15:41:31 And not getting PR1.3 Oct 25 15:41:32 RST38h: cool, come visit me ::) Oct 25 15:41:39 Yea, right Oct 25 15:41:44 RST38h: You have always lived in Oceania! Oct 25 15:41:52 RST38h: and the enemy has always been Eurasia! Oct 25 15:41:57 RST38h: just download the image from tablets-dev? Or do you want OTA specifically? Oct 25 15:42:07 i want OTA Oct 25 15:42:12 don't want to flash if I can Oct 25 15:42:33 alterego: hackish! Oct 25 15:42:34 :) Oct 25 15:42:38 Meh, I flashed, screwed up my background image and icons, oh and my wifi ap configs Oct 25 15:43:05 alterego: wifi config just changed name, gconf editing fixed it Oct 25 15:43:05 sivang, well, it's _the_ way to do it without stylesheets :P Oct 25 15:43:13 http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/ubuntu-moves-away-gnome Oct 25 15:43:17 Oh, right Oct 25 15:43:21 alterego: as in, the recommended way? Oct 25 15:43:28 sivang: yup Oct 25 15:43:32 alterego: now that I think of it, I forgot how I edited it- Oct 25 15:43:46 alterego: there's a terminal binary for gconf to edit Oct 25 15:43:55 alterego: the backup program stores all that in settings... Oct 25 15:43:57 * sivang wonders why it changes names Oct 25 15:44:38 greets allz Oct 25 15:45:50 Anyone got a sysroot for PR1.3 then? For madde? Oct 25 15:46:15 hmm, maybe i disabled SSU somehow? Oct 25 15:46:26 is there any reason to assume RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin md5sum is not correct in the MD5SUMS file? Oct 25 15:46:33 downloaded it twice now, both checksums are different Oct 25 15:46:46 macmaN: your download is crap? :) Oct 25 15:46:52 alterego: i'd like that too.. Oct 25 15:46:53 macmaN: third time's the charm! Oct 25 15:46:58 Heh Oct 25 15:47:15 PR_COMBINED came through correct Oct 25 15:47:33 i'm currently trying to solve the red cross sim icon Oct 25 15:47:40 is there a howto / hint how to enable and setup meego 1.1 multiboot? Oct 25 15:47:46 after today's v20 update went half way and then failed on me Oct 25 15:48:23 i'm assuming i need to flash back to fresh 1.2 now Oct 25 15:48:44 macmaN: pr1.3 is available to flash Oct 25 15:48:53 so... Oct 25 15:48:58 no upgrades available in HAM Oct 25 15:49:06 the fuck, ham Oct 25 15:49:11 Commander1024: I'm doing an OTA upgrade right now. Then I'll see if I can get MeeGo to do anthing. Oct 25 15:49:18 chem|st: at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php ? Oct 25 15:49:20 apt tells me i can upgrade 1000 packages Oct 25 15:49:25 macmaN: yes Oct 25 15:49:36 I've already installed MeeGo and done chroots to it, but haven't been successful with anything more. Oct 25 15:49:45 kerio: have you got tuxracer installed? Oct 25 15:49:45 (Although I am multibooting NitDroid nicely) Oct 25 15:49:50 no i haven't Oct 25 15:49:58 any other gles game? Oct 25 15:50:09 but i did have to remove a metapackage Oct 25 15:50:15 to upgrade libsdl1.2-mixer Oct 25 15:50:19 chem|st: what the hell, i didnt see them in the list like 2 hours ago :) Oct 25 15:50:36 macmaN: they are there for now about 45min Oct 25 15:50:56 <_berto_> macmaN: 488809ff96a0a05479d692e9f77aeb4f Oct 25 15:50:59 <_berto_> isn't it correct? Oct 25 15:51:07 kerio: I think the sdl1 is also conflicint Oct 25 15:51:10 ing Oct 25 15:51:15 then fuck this shit Oct 25 15:51:20 hehe Oct 25 15:51:21 i really need to fix this port Oct 25 15:51:22 chem|st: lol, amazing things happen while you step out to the supermarket to get ben&jerrys Oct 25 15:51:23 :< Oct 25 15:51:37 <_berto_> I have the file in my hd and both sums match Oct 25 15:51:37 macmaN: not only then! Oct 25 15:51:44 _berto_: did you generate that md5 from test download? Oct 25 15:51:45 alterego, used styleSheet after all lol Oct 25 15:51:59 <_berto_> macmaN: I had already downloaded that file some time ago Oct 25 15:52:58 MohammadAG: :P Oct 25 15:53:23 _berto_: right... well yeah that checksum is correct but im getting different ones, i have no idea how bits get mangled during downloading Oct 25 15:53:34 _berto_: i'm downloading PR1.3 now anyway Oct 25 15:53:42 kerio: just uninstall some of the larger (in terms of program not size) programs Oct 25 15:56:29 nonsense Oct 25 15:56:50 uninstalling optifies stuff won't help Oct 25 15:58:58 How much free space do I need to install PR1.3 ? Oct 25 15:59:20 fyi, I got ~23 megabytes :| It's quite low. Oct 25 15:59:24 Maybe you could try and see if it'll work? Oct 25 15:59:47 Learning on your own is a fabulous way to learn. Oct 25 15:59:48 hawaii_: tried, It doesn't. Oct 25 15:59:53 * hardaker crosses fingers and sips his coffee Oct 25 16:00:17 well then free up some space. Oct 25 16:01:21 hawaii_: I would like to know that "some space" since It's not a great way to describe quantity. Oct 25 16:01:41 Over 42MB. Oct 25 16:01:43 \o/ 1.3 :) Oct 25 16:01:59 thank you =) Oct 25 16:02:20 * hawaii_ giggles Oct 25 16:02:49 du -x /|sort -n Oct 25 16:02:59 DocScrutinizer51: if it is asking for pc-suite it is a package conflict, otherwise it wont show or tells that there is not enough space Oct 25 16:03:23 es Oct 25 16:03:25 gltron caused problems with a qtlib4-test library Oct 25 16:03:27 yes Oct 25 16:03:56 It will show a package conflict if you select the second tab. Oct 25 16:04:15 lbt: known conflicts are qtlib4-test libgles1-sgx-img and one I forgot about already Oct 25 16:04:38 chem|st: they came from the gltron game Oct 25 16:04:38 chem|st: yeah i think qtlib4-test conflict fucked me up Oct 25 16:04:55 so removing that fixed it Oct 25 16:04:56 i wonder why the test lib is in there in the first place.. Oct 25 16:04:59 hawaii_: not all people reported that it shows a second tab yet Oct 25 16:05:14 lbt: or tuxracer Oct 25 16:05:21 *nod* Oct 25 16:05:27 or some other game Oct 25 16:05:39 judging from the name, its the unittest lib thta comes on qt. Oct 25 16:05:40 Well OTA *really* hosed my device... Looks like it may be time for a flash Oct 25 16:05:56 I dont know what found me as I never looked into ham... Oct 25 16:05:57 thought you may want to know :) ... maybe to put something on pmo Oct 25 16:06:03 apt shows lots of package to upgrade, but Application Manager does not show the update, should I go with flashing? Oct 25 16:06:20 my OTA went very smoothly after removing that game Oct 25 16:06:23 but I was powercycling and used nitdroid instead to find out about the problem Oct 25 16:06:29 (I don't have those packages that seem to conflict) Oct 25 16:06:39 what is the quickest way to completely delete all user data from n900? Oct 25 16:06:55 Noma_: tread on it Oct 25 16:07:01 will it tell you there's a conflict before you upgrade? Oct 25 16:07:02 rm -rf Oct 25 16:07:05 agi: does apt show some about 85-90MB? Oct 25 16:07:21 or 30 something? Oct 25 16:07:22 or do I need to make sure to remove it before? or is it written at the link infobot knows about? Oct 25 16:07:25 * agi check Oct 25 16:07:27 s Oct 25 16:07:35 0:-) Oct 25 16:07:39 DocScrutinizer51: ^ Oct 25 16:07:43 was the Qt SDK updated? Oct 25 16:07:55 btw, a funny things to share, every time I contact nokia care, they always point me to maemo.org to fix all the problem myself. Oct 25 16:08:00 chem|st: 1006 upgrade, needs 83MB Oct 25 16:08:11 sivang: only in ham, apt will just hold back other packages but the initial maemo5meta will remove those held back and you are screwed Oct 25 16:08:22 agi: that sounds about right Oct 25 16:08:27 Noma_: mkfs of some sort on the user partition is probably the quickest. There may be none user data on there Oct 25 16:08:41 so if i rant something here, you should also contact nokia care not to point me here. Oct 25 16:08:53 chem|st: yep, no remove or no "not upgraded" Oct 25 16:08:53 but the noshow in ham makes me wonder if you got enough space in / and /home/user/ Oct 25 16:08:59 ooh. that's new. Oct 25 16:09:09 (just in the sense of humor) Oct 25 16:09:30 Just had a popup to tell me the n900 was drawing more power than the USB cable it was plugged into can deliver, and would I please consider plugging it in to the wall :-) Oct 25 16:10:17 well PR1.3 md5sum matches fine... third download of VANILLA underway Oct 25 16:10:25 agi: disable testing devel and sdk if you wnat to run dist-upgrade Oct 25 16:10:42 macmaN: you do not need to flash mmc image! Oct 25 16:10:56 macmaN: at least not if you do not want to Oct 25 16:11:13 chem|st: i dont? hmmm Oct 25 16:11:19 LOL Oct 25 16:11:58 chem|st: I disabled all repos but nokias already. is it ok to upgrade via apt? Oct 25 16:12:13 how do pr1.3 and madde come along? newer sysroots needed or how does it work? i like to use madde to compile my desktop widgets Oct 25 16:12:13 macmaN: yes you dont, the mmc image is there if you fupped your emmc or want a clean device (for selling it or something) Oct 25 16:12:32 chem|st: youre right, http://www.maemofanatics.com/how-to-flash-your-nokia-n900/ actually doesnt say anything about vanilla :) Oct 25 16:12:33 dolp: need a new sysroot I told you that earlier :P Oct 25 16:12:42 agi: will I be hunted if it doesnt and told yes? Oct 25 16:13:00 chem|st: nope :) Oct 25 16:13:05 agi: let the backup program run ahead all action Oct 25 16:13:12 PR 1.3 is available? Oct 25 16:13:15 sure, thanks a lot chem|st Oct 25 16:13:30 was too much to ask to have the "gtk-update-icon-cache" back? or was it fixed some other way? I hate the blue square icons!!!! Oct 25 16:13:31 just to make sure you are clean to flash if something went wrong Oct 25 16:13:51 alterego: i must have missed that line :) but good to know. wondering where to get that sysroot. hopefully soon.. Oct 25 16:14:00 so chem|st will screw me if I use it for the upgrade? Oct 25 16:14:25 so does pr1.3 have anything cool? the changelog was cryptic (better app support and performance update) Oct 25 16:14:32 fcrochik: all icons showed with proper icons when I installed the 120pkgs again... Oct 25 16:14:35 t.m.s is so slow! Oct 25 16:14:44 sivang: DON'T use dist-upgrade! I screwed my device trying :( Oct 25 16:14:51 scoobertron: kexec in kernel Oct 25 16:14:55 fcrochik: I never do that, I use HAM Oct 25 16:15:05 ~pr1.3 Oct 25 16:15:06 rumour has it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt Oct 25 16:15:13 trumee: t.m.s? Oct 25 16:15:28 chem|st: that is nice! Oct 25 16:16:06 chem|st: I am still waiting for the phone to finish reinstalling my applications.... but went to check for the gtk-update just in case Oct 25 16:16:20 sivang: does it tell something in ham or does the package just not show? Oct 25 16:16:35 chem|st: t.m.o Oct 25 16:16:57 fcrochik: and the best... apart of some widgets all desktop icons are back where they used to be ;) Oct 25 16:17:11 right none of the docs mention anything about conflicting packages Oct 25 16:17:17 chem|st: I did not try yet Oct 25 16:17:19 trumee: the pr slashdotted tmo... Oct 25 16:17:26 chem|st: crap! Oct 25 16:17:29 chem|st: it stopped seeing I do not have enough battery Oct 25 16:17:59 sivang: showing you mean Oct 25 16:18:01 hmm sync files with ovi? Oct 25 16:18:03 interesting Oct 25 16:18:05 that is what it says Oct 25 16:18:09 on that blgo post Oct 25 16:18:10 ~dict slashdot Oct 25 16:18:13 Okay i've updated to PR 1.3 Oct 25 16:18:19 chem|st: yes Oct 25 16:18:20 now what ? Oct 25 16:18:21 i could not get info from dict.org 'alarm at /home/ibot/infobot/src/Modules/Dict.pl line 42. Oct 25 16:18:27 i'm restoring backup Oct 25 16:18:29 xDaReaperx: nothing... Oct 25 16:18:38 where's the portait mode ? Oct 25 16:18:40 lol Oct 25 16:18:45 xDaReaperx: you flashed? Oct 25 16:19:12 alterego, Oct 25 16:19:13 styleSheet worked in scratchbox, not on device :/ Oct 25 16:19:35 MohammadAG: hrm, Oct 25 16:19:42 Try doing the brush approach Oct 25 16:19:59 I've almost finished setting up scratchbox so I'll be able to have a bit of a play in a bit myself ;) Oct 25 16:20:19 back Oct 25 16:20:30 stupid net keeps disconnecting Oct 25 16:20:34 chem|st: there was slashdot entry about 1.3 ? Oct 25 16:20:40 i updated using PC SUITE Oct 25 16:21:18 mkay, successful boot of pr1.3 it seems Oct 25 16:21:25 * wmarone kicks off pr1.3 install Oct 25 16:21:49 it shows version : 20.2010.36-2.003 < it's PR 1.3 ? Oct 25 16:21:53 jani: not that I can see Oct 25 16:22:49 Crap, UK version isnt released yet! Oct 25 16:23:07 trumee: Im in the uk and updating ota at the moment Oct 25 16:23:22 alterego, and it didn't work with the palette Oct 25 16:23:31 scoobertron: i dont want to do ota. i prefer to do via the flasher Oct 25 16:23:41 scoobertron: i cant seen uk version in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ Oct 25 16:24:22 trumee: my bad, I misunderstood. Oct 25 16:24:43 trumee: uk was first last time, so they thought they'd make us wait this time. Oct 25 16:24:47 I use global anyway Oct 25 16:25:07 alterego: i guess i will use global version this time Oct 25 16:25:18 :) Oct 25 16:25:23 alterego: is there any difference between UK and global versions? Oct 25 16:25:29 There really is no difference Oct 25 16:25:39 I just think it effects SSU availability or something. Oct 25 16:26:07 hmm. USA version is bigger in size compared to Global version. Oct 25 16:26:09 Oh and some functionality, like in some countries you're not allowed FMTX Oct 25 16:27:37 alterego: Global doesnt have these restrictions? Oct 25 16:28:12 Is there no change in emmc vanilla version, latest one is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin? Oct 25 16:28:40 * wmarone sighs as flash kills firefox on his desktop Oct 25 16:28:43 There is no EMMC image on tablets-dev, do we use the PR1.2 vanilla or will there be a PR1.3 vanilla uploaded at some point (along with the UK varient)? Oct 25 16:29:14 has there been any proper changelog for the release yet ? Oct 25 16:29:34 trumee: hasn't for me. Oct 25 16:29:45 And we have a working scratchbox environment :) Oct 25 16:30:04 can't find a changelog Oct 25 16:31:07 scoobertron: update doesnt give me an ota option Oct 25 16:31:25 there's no need to flash eMMC alias VANILLA for pr1.3 Oct 25 16:31:39 i got OTA option > but it was telling me to update using PC suite Oct 25 16:31:49 xDaReaperx: package conflict? Oct 25 16:31:51 if you want to nevertheless, then the old version is just fine Oct 25 16:32:02 xDaReaperx: qt4-testlib something? Oct 25 16:32:10 no i installed it using PC Suite any ways Oct 25 16:32:18 i uninstalled all QT apps Oct 25 16:32:20 DocScrutinizer51: wont it be better to flash emmc, since settings might have changed for some programs (just a guess) Oct 25 16:32:20 and QT 4 Oct 25 16:32:36 trumee: odd - I doubt it would be due to being on a different network or anything like that. Oct 25 16:32:54 hey i noticed the Application manager has changed a bit Oct 25 16:32:57 trumee: not neccessary, from experience, but it could help some hconf settings getting crazy Oct 25 16:33:01 gcong Oct 25 16:33:04 err Oct 25 16:33:05 gconf Oct 25 16:33:06 while showing Install Applications you get a choice to install what apps you want Oct 25 16:33:08 cool Oct 25 16:33:09 scoobertron: i have 203 version i think Oct 25 16:33:41 scoobertron: yes check the About product page, definitely 203 Oct 25 16:33:45 * wmarone watches the actual update begin Oct 25 16:34:11 scoobertron: is your phone with O2/vodaphone ? Oct 25 16:34:27 trumee: im in the middle of updating, so I can't check. though I think I am on the global firmware, which might make a difference Oct 25 16:34:33 trumee: nope, t-mobile Oct 25 16:34:58 xDaReaperx: install multiple apps at once ? Oct 25 16:37:46 scoobertron: ah! that explains it. Oct 25 16:37:54 scoobertron: global firmware Oct 25 16:39:33 trumee: interesting - this might be another advantage of going global Oct 25 16:39:45 hmmmmmmm Oct 25 16:40:09 before i make a stupid mistake, i have win 7 - should i download ovi suite 2.2 or pc suite 7.1 Oct 25 16:40:23 (to connect and update my n900 that is) Oct 25 16:40:39 Back Oct 25 16:41:01 now i have to install all apps again .. =/ Oct 25 16:41:09 thats like 860 MB Oct 25 16:41:37 Noobmonk3y, if you're gonna use QTextBrowser, don't update Oct 25 16:41:43 lol!!! Oct 25 16:41:45 i'm not :p Oct 25 16:41:51 is it buggered? Oct 25 16:41:58 but that will bugger healthcheck instantly Oct 25 16:42:06 (the old one) Oct 25 16:42:09 chem|st: cant see PR1.3 on slashdot. Oct 25 16:42:53 whats slashdot ? Oct 25 16:42:57 but MohammadAG that didnt answer my Q - installing ovi suite Oct 25 16:43:10 don't you guys think the app manager is a bit quicker ? Oct 25 16:43:21 hi.. what images do i have to flash my N900 with to have the whole factory state? Oct 25 16:43:28 dunno havent update, same speed as it was yesterday for me ;) Oct 25 16:43:36 Wee Oct 25 16:43:41 Woo Oct 25 16:43:44 That only took 1.5 hours on GPRS. Oct 25 16:43:49 updating? Oct 25 16:43:57 Yeah Oct 25 16:44:01 lol :P Oct 25 16:44:03 took me half an hour Oct 25 16:44:08 now i need to install all apps again Oct 25 16:44:17 is this normal after updates ? Oct 25 16:44:21 * GAN900 didn't reflash. Oct 25 16:44:23 i restored , it shows my app list Oct 25 16:44:28 If you do them incorrectly, yes. Oct 25 16:44:39 xDaReaperx: now there's a question i wasnt expecting =) Oct 25 16:44:54 ok Oct 25 16:45:20 hi.. what images do i have to flash my N900 with to have the whole factory state? Oct 25 16:45:59 vltR: surely factory state means last sept/october? Oct 25 16:46:02 is it just me or the browser feels faster? :P Oct 25 16:46:14 or do you mean the current latest firmware but latest clean buld and flash emmc? Oct 25 16:46:29 my first casualty of PR13: mycontacts (alternative) backend will fail to load with qt4.7 and will endup deleting all the groups. It is easy to fix by changing the configuration file but has to be done before you run mycontacts for the first time after upgrade Oct 25 16:47:13 Noobmonk3y, buggered is an understatement Oct 25 16:47:19 Noobmonk3y: i want to make total cleanup Oct 25 16:47:35 so everything to factory state but with updates :) Oct 25 16:47:37 total cleanup doesnt answer my question vltR ..... Oct 25 16:48:01 factory state = original firmware, you would then be asked to update all the way back to 1.3?! Oct 25 16:48:10 Noobmonk3y, http://oi54.tinypic.com/11s2f0j.jpg Oct 25 16:48:18 ~tell vltR about flashing Oct 25 16:48:19 reboot... Oct 25 16:49:19 eh but if i update firmware all my apps will be on the phone.. i dont want that Oct 25 16:49:22 Pro update. Oct 25 16:49:29 MicroB fails to load all pages now. Oct 25 16:49:55 seems that themes support on 1.3 differs somehow: some colors are reverted to default Oct 25 16:49:58 lol Oct 25 16:50:08 vltR - I tried an OTA update, but am now doing a reflash. Oct 25 16:50:23 Take a look at http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/02/05/how-to-hard-reset-the-n900-to-the-factory-state/ Oct 25 16:50:38 Just use the latest flash file and you should be good. Oct 25 16:50:47 GAN900: worksforme :/ Oct 25 16:51:11 * GAN900 stabs Nokia Oct 25 16:51:20 Transitions are all jittery now, too. Oct 25 16:53:38 jani: don't know but that's more a figurative description it was nokia'ed?! Oct 25 16:53:53 Reboot time. Oct 25 16:54:44 chem|st: ack ok, so you where only talking about the effect, not the site ;) Oct 25 16:56:03 great ovi suite says there is no update :P Oct 25 16:56:04 bahhhhhhhhhhhhh Oct 25 16:56:08 yet the phone says there is Oct 25 16:56:10 jani: yes :) Oct 25 16:56:16 Noobmonk3y, why not just SSU? Oct 25 16:56:26 or not update at all :P Oct 25 16:56:26 ove ther air? Oct 25 16:56:31 meh i would need to remove crap :P Oct 25 16:56:43 or fix HealthCheck, as I said, http://oi54.tinypic.com/11s2f0j.jpg :P Oct 25 16:57:01 how much space we need to be able to update? Oct 25 16:57:09 Noobmonk3y: NOS3 tells... Oct 25 16:57:26 andyph666: probably ~50MB Oct 25 16:58:37 crap i only have 18 :o any way to see what takes up the most space? Oct 25 16:58:52 andyph666: at least that's been the magnitude of free space on root for last few SSU Oct 25 16:58:55 lol MohammadAG51 !!! Oct 25 16:58:55 du -h | grep M Oct 25 16:59:09 du -x /|sort -n Oct 25 16:59:16 Noobmonk3y, black on black ftw Oct 25 16:59:26 o/ Venemo Oct 25 16:59:37 hey MohammadAG :) Oct 25 16:59:40 thanks guys Oct 25 17:00:06 does it break android or titans kernel? Oct 25 17:00:17 can't beleive the textbrowser issue didnt get seen and fixed! Oct 25 17:00:35 does here anybody have a sports-strap for his n900? Oct 25 17:01:23 andyph666: android no titans idk Oct 25 17:01:40 5 Oct 25 17:01:43 i was curious how well they do... i'd need one for some casual biking so i can always check which way to go Oct 25 17:01:44 pardon... Oct 25 17:01:50 videocalling died again? Oct 25 17:02:12 enter still doesn't work properly when running ncurses stuff in the terminal *sob* Oct 25 17:02:40 scoobertron: there is a libvte fix attached at the bugreport Oct 25 17:02:42 scoobertron: I hate that one :/ Oct 25 17:02:44 scoobertron: fix it! http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 25 17:02:49 Noobmonk3y: the community could fix that one, right? Oct 25 17:02:58 scoobertron: try to remap your key to "return" as value and 'remove' that "XK_Enter" stuff which is there... Oct 25 17:03:10 Kill me Oct 25 17:03:12 Venemo: it is... Oct 25 17:03:13 Still not working Oct 25 17:03:27 GAN900: that is against the law so we cannot follow your order Oct 25 17:03:34 Venemo: next year maybe lol Oct 25 17:03:58 Venemo: Noobmonk3y agi https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2705 Oct 25 17:03:59 Noobmonk3y: well we could do the fix, then release it through MohammadAG's SSU Oct 25 17:04:33 maybe it is now another version did not check yet Oct 25 17:04:45 no idea what the SSU is, that whole thing just confused the buggery outta me Oct 25 17:04:53 chem|st: thanks! Oct 25 17:05:01 chem|st: ? Oct 25 17:05:04 Noobmonk3y, community repository Oct 25 17:05:13 Noobmonk3y, when Nokia drops support, you'll need one Oct 25 17:05:13 MohammadAG51: kinda got it, but it just confused me Oct 25 17:05:13 agi: if you installed tell if it is still working well Oct 25 17:05:17 lol kk Oct 25 17:05:22 Noobmonk3y, i.e, from today Oct 25 17:05:22 agi: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Oct 25 17:05:29 Noobmonk3y: MohammadAG started his own SSU(=Seamless Software Update) which provides fixes not yet released by Nokia in the open source packages Oct 25 17:05:34 DocScrutinizer: yep, reading thru it :) Oct 25 17:05:38 * Noobmonk3y is just uninstalling the world off his N900 so i can do the over the air Oct 25 17:05:40 Noobmonk3y: it did eliminate some serious PR 1.2 bugs back then Oct 25 17:05:41 Noobmonk3y, no, they really don't have to announce that they dropped support Oct 25 17:06:13 Venemo, hildon-desktop in my repo is newer than the one in PR1.3, makes me sad Oct 25 17:06:21 interesting. apparently I don't have any repos any more. that is going to be fun to do by mand. Oct 25 17:06:25 modest too I think Oct 25 17:06:45 Back Oct 25 17:06:52 scoobertron: empty repo lists shoed in 1.2 quiet often Oct 25 17:07:09 wait a bit longer with opening the list Oct 25 17:07:49 is the app manager slow in loading application list still ? Oct 25 17:08:07 seems to be Oct 25 17:08:21 and did they say there would be portait mode ? Oct 25 17:08:31 portrait * Oct 25 17:08:36 xDaReaperx: you bet it is, why shouldn't it? Oct 25 17:08:46 didn't see anything in the release notes Oct 25 17:08:48 does everything load in portrait ? Oct 25 17:08:51 no Oct 25 17:08:53 nothing does for me Oct 25 17:08:58 it feels same as PR 1.2 Oct 25 17:09:00 kind of Oct 25 17:09:27 chem|st: seems to work just fine (re: libvte4) Oct 25 17:09:38 agi: nice Oct 25 17:09:44 agi: thanks! :-) Oct 25 17:09:54 thank you both :) Oct 25 17:10:05 reboot fixed the repo thing. emergency over. Oct 25 17:10:20 what is FIASCO image? Oct 25 17:10:57 * agi puts libvte4 on hold now Oct 25 17:11:30 lol Oct 25 17:11:51 i have to flash FIASCO image before flashing emmc... ? Oct 25 17:12:07 agi: it says incompatible application package Oct 25 17:12:12 there a changelog yet? Oct 25 17:12:18 ? Oct 25 17:12:29 so i did aptget -dist-update and in the middle of updating phone turns off and can't turn on - only Nokia on white screen. though ntdroid boots fine. i smell flashing =) good i just backedup before Oct 25 17:12:43 vltR: My suggestion is to do it other way round: VANILLA first, then COMBINED Oct 25 17:12:52 apt-get install --force-reinstall tybollt Oct 25 17:12:56 chem|st: http://paste.debian.net/98064/ Oct 25 17:13:26 time to start tweeting about the PR 1.3 , so it gets into the news media blogs Oct 25 17:13:38 ZogG: you asked for it, you got it. --dist-upgrade is *DEPRECATED* Oct 25 17:13:38 * agi thinks chem|st meant s/agi/XXXXX/ in the incompatible stuff Oct 25 17:13:42 ~slap chem|st Oct 25 17:13:42 why would HAM tell me to use Nokia Software Suite to upgrade? Oct 25 17:13:42 * infobot slaps chem|st, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Oct 25 17:13:50 agi: and enter works? Oct 25 17:13:56 yes it does Oct 25 17:14:45 it working in the shell, and it working in the case that didn't work for me before (gnupg passphrase prompt) Oct 25 17:14:48 mgedmin: cause you got incompatible libs installed Oct 25 17:15:01 chem|st, any ideas how to find out which? Oct 25 17:15:19 mgedmin: second tab in HAM Oct 25 17:15:42 or some simple questions... have you got gltron or tuxracer installed? Oct 25 17:15:53 no Oct 25 17:16:01 I ran into a similar problem with ZogG and had to flash my phone. I'm busy reinstalling apps now Oct 25 17:16:14 even i'm installing all apps ^ Oct 25 17:16:25 OTA for some reason just didn't work , but no matter .. Oct 25 17:16:26 check if libgles1-sgx-img is installed and libqt4-test Oct 25 17:16:47 libgles1-sgx-img installed (v 0.20091104.34+0m5) Oct 25 17:16:57 dependency? Oct 25 17:17:02 libqt4-test: not installed Oct 25 17:17:18 the gles is conflicting Oct 25 17:17:25 thanks for the pointer Oct 25 17:17:31 http://maemo.nokia.com/news/new-n900-software-update-available/ Oct 25 17:17:40 tells whats in the update Oct 25 17:17:43 * mgedmin Does Not Like HAM Oct 25 17:20:08 agi: ham said... Oct 25 17:20:16 cloudgps pulled it in Oct 25 17:20:59 chem|st: ah, I dpkg'ed it in Oct 25 17:21:32 hey MohammadAG: cant seem to update due to the pulseaudio patch to reduce stuttering, how do i revert back to the standard packages? Oct 25 17:21:58 rm /etc/apt/preferences && apt-get install pulseaudio Oct 25 17:22:05 then open app manager Oct 25 17:22:48 Wtf :D Oct 25 17:22:57 app manager seems the same to me. slow, and one package at at time Oct 25 17:23:06 "Unable to update 'Maemo 5' - Conflict with application packases: perl(5.8.3-3osso11+0m5) Oct 25 17:23:09 *g Oct 25 17:23:26 * MohammadAG pokes X-Fade Oct 25 17:23:39 Shadikka: welcome to the jungle Oct 25 17:23:57 thank u sir :p Oct 25 17:24:23 WTF?!!! 30PT fonts http://maemo.nokia.com/userguides/.en-US/GUID-013B5D9B-4AB8-4938-93FE-472A64BE7E63.html#d0e32302 Oct 25 17:24:32 * Shadikka enters the o_O Oct 25 17:24:43 uhhh, now that was an arrow fail, but that works too. Oct 25 17:24:48 is tehre any wiki page on how to dual boot to meego with pr 1.3? Oct 25 17:25:44 apol_: dual boot is NOT related to PR1.3 Oct 25 17:25:56 "The following packages will be REMOVED: frozen-bubble perl perl-modules" Oct 25 17:25:58 ...suits me fine. Oct 25 17:26:27 DocScrutinizer: at all? ok Oct 25 17:26:43 I thought it had to be easier now Oct 25 17:27:02 for the flashing i need full charge or it doesn't matter that mcuh? Oct 25 17:27:23 i had only half charge Oct 25 17:27:23 pr1.3 has fixed kexec, but meego dual boot doesn't use that. It is implemented via chainloading uBoot Oct 25 17:27:47 but its recommended you charge fully Oct 25 17:27:55 ZogG: for flashing a charged battery is mandatory Oct 25 17:29:36 i'm at zero now =) Oct 25 17:30:50 aghhhh how much rootfs do i need? :P Oct 25 17:30:53 up to 59 :p lol Oct 25 17:31:29 crap i only have 30 Oct 25 17:31:29 lol Oct 25 17:31:53 hehehe Oct 25 17:31:59 been uninstalling for 20 mins Oct 25 17:32:53 u happen to know what apps that take up a lot on rootfs? Oct 25 17:33:07 What's the maemo.org openid URL? Oct 25 17:33:32 hi. is the new update, the supposed PR1.3 compatible with titan kernel, or I have to wait for the new kernel? Oct 25 17:34:00 I don't know about titan, but I'm using 1.3 with power-kernel Oct 25 17:34:34 is the power-kernel the one that supports ipv6? Oct 25 17:34:59 ahynes1: really using, or did SSU and thus whatever kernel you were using got overwritten with the stock one? :) Oct 25 17:35:04 Yup. I'm running power kernel with PR 1.3 and ipv6 right now Oct 25 17:35:41 ok, thanks. so how did you update? OTA? Oct 25 17:36:18 OTA and then installed the power kernel? give me some details because I need ipv6... and I want the pr1.3 too Oct 25 17:36:19 :-) Oct 25 17:37:06 I tried OTA but it trashed my machine so I ended up flashing it. Oct 25 17:37:19 Busy reinstalling thnigs now Oct 25 17:37:35 ok, that's what I'll do too. thanks Oct 25 17:38:38 X-Fade: did you get to rebuild the symbol files? Oct 25 17:38:43 ohwhyme: du -x /|sort -n Oct 25 17:39:28 ioan: ahynes1: titan==power Oct 25 17:39:59 installing kernel-power on PR1.3 downgrades your kernel Oct 25 17:40:08 sure :-P Oct 25 17:40:29 Hey all Oct 25 17:40:37 PR1.3 !! Oct 25 17:40:41 wat ?? Oct 25 17:40:41 DocScrutinizer: yeah. I love their advice to "uninstall applications" Oct 25 17:40:47 is it out now ?? Oct 25 17:40:48 ... Oct 25 17:41:00 Shapeshifter: yep, fools :-) Oct 25 17:41:17 ~pr1.3 Oct 25 17:41:18 well, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt Oct 25 17:41:26 rokr1: ^^^ Oct 25 17:41:33 I thought it wasn't really "1.3" Oct 25 17:41:36 but more like 1.2.1 Oct 25 17:41:42 w00t?! Oct 25 17:41:42 DocScrutinizer: (re 30pt font) blame the N900 lying about screen DPI. Oct 25 17:41:46 update?! Oct 25 17:41:53 Shapeshifter: nope it is 1.3 Oct 25 17:41:59 :o Oct 25 17:42:11 javispedro: ooh, so "this page best rendered on microb" or what? Oct 25 17:42:18 DocScrutinizer: indeed Oct 25 17:42:25 chem|st: but it's 20.2010.36-2 Oct 25 17:42:30 javispedro: it looks horrible on konqueror Oct 25 17:42:39 is there a way to get mobile hotspot to work with pr1.3 Oct 25 17:42:50 so what? Oct 25 17:42:52 DocScrutinizer: the css with 800px hardcodec everywhere should also be a hint =) Oct 25 17:42:58 *coded Oct 25 17:43:16 chem|st: ah right nvm Oct 25 17:43:21 how is pr1.3? Oct 25 17:43:27 ?? Oct 25 17:43:33 * DocScrutinizer shakes head, deeply saddened Oct 25 17:43:39 well, it can't be worse than pr1.2 Oct 25 17:43:50 javispedro: shsh Oct 25 17:43:54 DocScrutinizer: konqueror? people still use that? :) Oct 25 17:43:56 DocScrutinizer: Ah, then PR 1.3 is running okay with titan for me Oct 25 17:44:26 i'm almost thinking of using my flaky usb connection to reflash :3 Oct 25 17:44:28 * javispedro ponders reflashing.. Oct 25 17:44:30 what can go wrong? Oct 25 17:44:38 Shapeshifter: I dunno about people, he's not talking to me anymore. But me, yes, I'm using Konqueror usually Oct 25 17:44:42 hmm Oct 25 17:44:47 e-mail seems unbugged Oct 25 17:44:58 DocScrutinizer: what can go wrong? Oct 25 17:45:01 hey Oct 25 17:45:15 * javispedro asks his magic-8-ball whether to reflash... Oct 25 17:45:18 mikki-kun: very similar to 1.2 - they don't seem to have fixed anything that bothered me. Oct 25 17:45:21 "As I see it, Yes" Oct 25 17:45:27 thanks, magic8ball!! Oct 25 17:45:28 everything seems to work a bit faster and smoother or maybe its just placebo. anyhooooooo, mobile hotspot is borken :F Oct 25 17:45:36 MohammadAG: Problem. Oct 25 17:45:44 ~pr1.4 Oct 25 17:45:44 PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject Oct 25 17:45:46 i guess i'll stick then to 1.2 Oct 25 17:45:50 looooooooooooooooooooooooool Oct 25 17:45:52 MohammadAG: None of the packages you told me to downgrade to are availablefrom the repos. Oct 25 17:45:55 MUHAHAHA Oct 25 17:45:57 faster and smoother isn't unusual after a reboot or fresh install, the question is what happens over time Oct 25 17:46:08 MohammadAG: Any place I can get them? Oct 25 17:46:11 kerio: 1.5!! Oct 25 17:46:15 ~pr1.5 Oct 25 17:46:16 * infobot beats kerio with a Nostradamus papercopy 69.6 times. "That's your PR1.5!" Oct 25 17:46:23 ~pr1.6 Oct 25 17:46:26 what's up with tmo? Oct 25 17:46:26 how abt PR2.0 (that looks awesome) Oct 25 17:46:46 argh argh argh Oct 25 17:46:46 wmarone: my 1.2 didnt get too slow even after few months uptime Oct 25 17:46:48 * javispedro launches osso_backup and hopes for the best Oct 25 17:47:10 started updating... while it was still on the gprs connection Oct 25 17:47:11 how many times did u recharged the battery l0up Oct 25 17:47:15 this may take a while... Oct 25 17:47:15 there won't be a pr1.4, they are going to call it "pr 95" or "pr me" Oct 25 17:47:22 rokr1: when? :o Oct 25 17:47:30 l0up_: then you are lucky, mine got quite creaky after a few weeks of uptime Oct 25 17:47:50 infobot: PR1.6 is, like, the future man! Oct 25 17:47:56 ioan: Later on, pr XP Oct 25 17:48:01 vista Oct 25 17:48:08 ._. Oct 25 17:48:09 got to buy that mugen battery Oct 25 17:48:14 infobot: PR1.6 is the future man! Oct 25 17:48:14 kerio: okay Oct 25 17:48:16 l0up_, moving from desktop to desktop is definitely smoother. Oct 25 17:48:25 anyone who have it Oct 25 17:48:27 ?? Oct 25 17:48:51 Hey guys. Could you please clear something up for me...? Maemo 6 == Harmattan == MeeGo? Oct 25 17:49:14 3 hours, application reinstall after reflash still running Oct 25 17:49:50 Arkenoi: heh, I luckly installed OTA Oct 25 17:50:01 i am on it Oct 25 17:50:04 OTA Oct 25 17:50:04 toresbe: Harmattan != MeeGo, but it is supposed to be MeeGo compatible Oct 25 17:50:09 but 1.3 din't bring any happiness Oct 25 17:50:13 downloading it now Oct 25 17:50:20 1.3 is so 1.2 Oct 25 17:50:27 toresbe: somewhat, yes Oct 25 17:50:46 got people tell abt its capabilities Oct 25 17:50:54 aiui they call it meego HE Oct 25 17:50:58 dual boot to meego bla bla bla Oct 25 17:51:11 where I can find dual boot? Oct 25 17:51:11 So how do I test out meego on the N900? Oct 25 17:51:14 for hybrid, err harmattan edition Oct 25 17:51:16 ahynes1, have you tried IPv6 on stock kernel? maybe they enabled the IPv6? :-) Oct 25 17:51:45 now where did that IPv6 come from Oct 25 17:52:12 rokr1: there's no dualboot meego in pr1.3 Oct 25 17:52:40 rmrfchik: probably on the site of the second OS Oct 25 17:53:06 it's time for starcraft Oct 25 17:53:20 toresbe: that's a question better asked in #meego Oct 25 17:53:20 rmrfchik: good idea! Oct 25 17:53:42 scv ready Oct 25 17:53:59 ZERG FTW! Oct 25 17:54:07 fruitdealler Oct 25 17:54:22 aint doing anything till i upgrade to 1.3 :p Oct 25 17:54:43 DocScrutinizer: you're probably right :) Oct 25 17:55:05 rmrfchik, amen. Oct 25 17:55:40 pffft Oct 25 17:55:49 protossssssss Oct 25 17:56:03 Hello,okay,so I fucked up my phone when I did apt-get dist-upgrade on terminal(to upgrade to PR1.3)now any vanilla flash way so I can use them to upgrade to PR1.3? Oct 25 17:56:10 javispedro, void ray whore. Oct 25 17:56:15 >:) Oct 25 17:56:17 hm Oct 25 17:56:19 (my maemo is no longer working) Oct 25 17:56:32 apt-get --dist-upgrade IS *DEPRECATED* Oct 25 17:56:34 dundundun Oct 25 17:56:36 high templars :D Oct 25 17:56:36 ~tell knightstalker about flasher Oct 25 17:56:53 DocScrutinizer,your saying is no longer helpful :P Oct 25 17:56:54 DocScrutinizer: it' not "deprecated" per se, it's just a miracle it ever worked for anyone Oct 25 17:56:56 words* Oct 25 17:57:03 (at least on Maemo) Oct 25 17:57:13 anyways,why the hell I needed to use PC suite,I have linux damn it Oct 25 17:57:21 sigh. Oct 25 17:57:28 :( Oct 25 17:57:28 ohwhyme: got some stalkers for you Oct 25 17:57:32 DocScrutinizer and what if holding "u" and connecting to usb shows dim nokia logo but without usb symbol? =) Oct 25 17:57:37 apt-get -u dist-upgrade worked fine for me Oct 25 17:58:01 MohammadAG: http://pastie.org/1247909 Oct 25 17:58:19 ~tell knightstalker about flashing Oct 25 17:58:30 1.3 running. Oct 25 17:58:36 DocScrutinizer: did that already.. Oct 25 17:58:44 knightstalker: because nokia can't cook linux Oct 25 17:58:48 ;) Oct 25 17:58:55 why it uses linux for maemo then? Oct 25 17:58:56 -.- Oct 25 17:59:07 btw,I have multiboot boot loader(from nitdroid package),does it have U function,still? Oct 25 17:59:10 sigh, sigh. Oct 25 17:59:11 DocScrutinizer: nvm I said flasher Oct 25 17:59:31 ~flashing Oct 25 17:59:31 flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 25 17:59:32 knightstalker: yes Oct 25 17:59:41 I'd really like to be able to do an OTA update just once ... Oct 25 17:59:41 would you like at that url Oct 25 17:59:43 * GAN900 has won 1v4 matches with void rays. Oct 25 17:59:48 knightstalker: because symbian is dying, and they heard linux is kool Oct 25 17:59:59 GAN900: and they only make it more powerful with every update.. Oct 25 18:00:05 I have successfully multibooted both PR 1.3 and Nitroid Oct 25 18:00:06 rmrfchik,linux is kooool :P,and yeah symbian is DYING :p Oct 25 18:00:07 range: tell what it says we tell what to do! Oct 25 18:00:15 javispedro, nerfed marginally with the last one. Oct 25 18:00:21 Well, the usual - use PC-Suite :) Oct 25 18:00:25 ahynes1,I have successfully booted non working PR1.3 and Nitdroid,Hooray! Oct 25 18:00:38 multibooted* Oct 25 18:00:42 got a error message in OTA conflicts with libqt-4...., and libgles-sgx... Oct 25 18:01:04 rokr1: you need to remove those to get 1.3 Oct 25 18:01:10 rokr1: uninstall Oct 25 18:01:15 cool Oct 25 18:01:29 rokr1: its a game like gltron or tuxracer Oct 25 18:01:31 i know that libgles-sgx is a system file Oct 25 18:01:54 a suggestion Oct 25 18:02:01 if you want to keep on playing gles1 games, Oct 25 18:02:06 Tomorrow I can look forward to setting up my server to do continuous integration builds. Oct 25 18:02:09 looks like the released PR1.3 is identical with the leaked PR1.3 Oct 25 18:02:14 better wait until appropiate persons are pinged Oct 25 18:02:17 Anybody here with PR1.3 and T-Mobile ? After flashing my N900 does not seem to want to do cell service anymore Oct 25 18:02:49 wtf is cell service? Oct 25 18:02:50 T-Mobile USA for sake of completeness Oct 25 18:02:58 njsf1: you broke it... how did you upgrade? Oct 25 18:03:02 And the program manager is a PITA. Oct 25 18:03:17 as in actually being able to make calls or connecting through GRPS ? Oct 25 18:03:39 flash-3.5 following the instructions from the maemo.org page Oct 25 18:04:02 njsf1: so you did flash it and not upgrade from 1.2? Oct 25 18:04:03 and all was successful according to the logs Oct 25 18:04:16 yes, I did flash it Oct 25 18:04:25 so which logs then? Oct 25 18:04:32 and all works fine except no SIM seems to be detected Oct 25 18:04:40 the logs of the flasher DocScrutinizer Oct 25 18:04:44 alterego, see ssu channel Oct 25 18:04:48 hmm Oct 25 18:05:21 and if i can't get to usbmode for flashing/charge and ./flasher-3.5 -i doesn't do anything Oct 25 18:05:29 erm, what's that again? Oct 25 18:05:36 Does somebody have a link for bugs fixed PR1.3 handy? Oct 25 18:05:46 I'm not in the channel Oct 25 18:05:55 njsf1: make sure your SIM is properly seated, and you actually enabled phone (as in "flightmode=off") Oct 25 18:06:09 I already did DocScrutinizer Oct 25 18:06:13 Shadikka: andre is on it afaik try bugs.maemo.org Oct 25 18:06:37 hmm, probably a reflash of COMBINED wouldn't hurt Oct 25 18:06:38 chem|st: Yeah, I'm just definitely not good with the search page there :) That's why I asked. Oct 25 18:06:46 I am now trying the following... Restore the backup I made before the flash, then take the sim out, reboot, then turn off, put the sim on again, just in case Oct 25 18:06:58 DocScrutinizer any ideas? Oct 25 18:07:05 nitdroid works fine Oct 25 18:07:10 only nitdroid =( Oct 25 18:07:21 ZogG: charge battery Oct 25 18:07:27 DocScrutinizer the COMBINED image for USA was the one I flashed... Oct 25 18:08:06 DocScrutinizer it doesn't charge, i connect to usb or wall charger it turns dim logo than charging led and after 5 seconds it restarts with the same Oct 25 18:08:10 njsf1: I seem to remember ther've been other reports of US-COMBINED breaking cellmo. Oct 25 18:08:12 "Flexible, Stretchable, Implantable LED Arrays Created" Oct 25 18:08:23 Wel...you know where it is going. Oct 25 18:08:34 njsf1: try the global version Oct 25 18:08:38 ZogG: you're screwed Oct 25 18:09:09 will try global next. tnx Oct 25 18:10:03 update successful, actually feels snappier Oct 25 18:10:04 njsf1: yep, this fixed it for that other instance Oct 25 18:10:05 placebo effect ftw Oct 25 18:10:13 RST38h: Sell your body as ad space? Oct 25 18:10:14 Anyone have the link to the changelog? Oct 25 18:10:22 actually, a reboot makes the n900 snappier Oct 25 18:10:27 and an os update requires a reboot Oct 25 18:10:30 so it's not just placebo Oct 25 18:10:30 hush Oct 25 18:10:51 whoa, scary -- update still in progress, but the statusbar on top disappeared Oct 25 18:11:05 mgedmin: Happened to me too, probably some hildon-desktop update(?) Oct 25 18:11:05 hehe Oct 25 18:11:13 could be Oct 25 18:11:55 I wasn't sure what would happen... right after it told me everything would be unavailable during the update and I hit continue, my wife called. software update running, phone ringing. Oct 25 18:12:35 didn't break the update, but sound quality was crap Oct 25 18:12:44 much better now that the update is done Oct 25 18:12:49 tell your wife she bricked your phone, make her buy you a spare n900 Oct 25 18:13:58 am i going to need to worry about the power kernel for this 1.3 update? Oct 25 18:14:03 update is success! Oct 25 18:14:46 nice Oct 25 18:14:51 mgedmin Oct 25 18:15:34 DocScrutinizer, lol Oct 25 18:15:52 can it doesn't go to usb mode if the battery is really low? Oct 25 18:15:55 Hmm Oct 25 18:16:10 Did anyone else get the n900-fmrx-enabler with PR 1.3? Oct 25 18:16:18 yes Oct 25 18:16:20 yes Oct 25 18:16:23 I re-flashed my N900 to PR 1.2 and updated it, and it was installed Oct 25 18:16:27 Alright.. Oct 25 18:16:31 Why is it there? Oct 25 18:16:43 There's the enabler but no software to use it so :D Oct 25 18:16:45 ask that to a senior member Oct 25 18:16:50 (Except FM Radio on Extras) Oct 25 18:16:53 well who is it ?? Oct 25 18:16:54 omg,how can I know if I need Global/Middle East and... flash thingy? Oct 25 18:17:14 stalk Oct 25 18:17:22 Shadikka, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 links to the Bugzilla query for public tickets fixed in PR1.3 Oct 25 18:17:47 knightstalker just wild guest Oct 25 18:17:52 guess* Oct 25 18:18:06 ZogG,hmm? Oct 25 18:18:13 I got 44.4 mb free rootfs, how much do I need to install PR1.3 ? Oct 25 18:18:31 andre___: Thanks! Oct 25 18:18:48 It's a pain to symlink important stuff, so I would appreciate an exact answer. Oct 25 18:19:14 Aranel_: approx 85 MB according to others Oct 25 18:19:28 Venemo: oh.. well. :| Oct 25 18:19:34 Venemo: thanks. Oct 25 18:19:39 andre___: doesnt work Oct 25 18:19:47 knightstalker where do you live? Oct 25 18:19:55 Aranel_: I haven't tried it myself (my N900 is at repair atm, and I will do a reflash...) Oct 25 18:20:18 trumee, what? Oct 25 18:20:30 ZogG,Middle East,however according to the forums it wont recognize the SIM Oct 25 18:20:38 ZogG,hmm,can I just use Global ver? Oct 25 18:20:44 There's simply no way for me to free up that much space. Oct 25 18:20:46 they recommended that Oct 25 18:20:47 I had about 1030 music files, after the update its 960... I wonder which albums got excluded ? :D Oct 25 18:21:16 atm ?? Oct 25 18:21:20 andre___: my dns had failed me. link works fine Oct 25 18:21:26 ah :) Oct 25 18:21:57 Hello Oct 25 18:22:10 good to hear that appiah that reminds me to copy the songs Oct 25 18:22:11 They fixed the screen glitch on incoming call <3 (just tested) Oct 25 18:22:22 I want to rip by device clean and start fresh with the PR 1.3 firmware... what is the best way to backup my contacts? Oct 25 18:22:29 nice to hear that to shadikka Oct 25 18:22:58 rokr1: i think my flac files got excluded Oct 25 18:23:03 not removed Oct 25 18:23:06 yay! just reflashed the USA image again and it works... weird, but fine by me :D Oct 25 18:23:44 Hi! I can't make the update OTA, any suggestions? Oct 25 18:24:01 ~flashing Oct 25 18:24:01 knightstalker i cn't say i know the difference Oct 25 18:24:02 wats the message u get the lord of the rings Oct 25 18:24:02 [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 25 18:24:08 the last question will be about the cold flash and warm flash,in my case(the OS not being loaded,it'll just turn off the device after sometime),which must be selected? Oct 25 18:25:29 MohammadAG: your modest fixes made into PR 1.3? Oct 25 18:26:18 hi oshin Oct 25 18:26:24 if I do a backup of applications, then manual flashing, and then restore tha backup it will all be ok? Oct 25 18:26:34 trumee, not yet Oct 25 18:26:44 MohammadAG: crap! Oct 25 18:26:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_Enhanced_Nuclear_Induction_Spectroscopy Oct 25 18:27:01 MohammadAG, modest still doesn't store a local copy of the emails isn't it? Oct 25 18:27:07 oops, wrong channel =) Oct 25 18:27:09 the_lord : best is to just back up contacts and calender (if u use that) Oct 25 18:27:31 but cool tech anyway Oct 25 18:27:55 DocScrutinizer, solved the puzzle Oct 25 18:29:02 I'm in the united states, can someone can firm this is the firmware I want? RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin Oct 25 18:29:22 DocScrutinizer, flashed with 8% baattery Oct 25 18:29:30 first launch Oct 25 18:29:47 damn fkuc tehnologic Oct 25 18:29:48 Alright, I'll ask this just once more. _Why_ did the N900-fmrx-enabler V1.51 come with the _official_ PR 1.3 when there is _no_ software for it to use? Was it a bugfix, though I can't seem to find it fixed in Bugzilla? Oct 25 18:29:53 if almost no visual change was included in this minor update they could have added few songs atleast Oct 25 18:30:13 (Again, except the FM Radio from Extras) Oct 25 18:30:26 soo sooo *** ZogG Oct 25 18:30:30 where are the debs from ovi store saved? Oct 25 18:30:52 read on ovi store that download could be done only 5 times? Oct 25 18:31:12 *read on tmo about ovi store Oct 25 18:31:18 rokr1 =( Oct 25 18:32:46 rokr1 lol, i'm not the guy to piss off of somebody from internetz =) just kiding too Oct 25 18:33:07 restoring is cool Oct 25 18:33:12 YEAH \o/ Oct 25 18:33:17 have my phone back Oct 25 18:33:27 heh, i'd forgotten how painfully slow the backup app is Oct 25 18:34:30 tortoise vs the hare. i would rather it was done properly. but really people rarely complain of the speed of the backup app Oct 25 18:34:45 * mgedmin thinks people rarely make backups Oct 25 18:36:09 eh.. not complaining exactly, more just like whining :P Oct 25 18:37:02 tmo is dead again Oct 25 18:38:27 i noticed this version of maemo has lot of DRM packages Oct 25 18:38:31 NOKIA NOKIA Oct 25 18:38:34 trumee, reggie is saying the server load is through the roof Oct 25 18:39:16 Don't know if this has been mentioned earlier today but the CTRL+Shift+R seems to work for longer now with PR 1.3 Oct 25 18:39:18 Venemo: have you dont anything with my code? Oct 25 18:39:27 I'm thinking of sticking in in a project on gitorious Oct 25 18:39:28 tmo server load average now: 181.96, 157.52, 120.12 from reggie (via twitter) Oct 25 18:39:39 (I just created a gitorious account and it's kind of empty) :) Oct 25 18:39:44 E.g. when I launch Conversations, press the combo and browse the app, it doesn't go off Oct 25 18:39:47 Odd Oct 25 18:40:07 wat abt flash player Oct 25 18:40:09 ?? Oct 25 18:41:19 rantom: in pr1.2 it worked until you closed app Oct 25 18:41:24 javispedro: looking at preenv, when you said "copy your application storage directory out of it" did you mean "com.ea.app.nfsuc" ? Oct 25 18:41:31 hrw: Now it works longer than that Oct 25 18:41:54 hrw: I can continue using Conversations in portrait, even after closing the app and relaunching it Oct 25 18:42:00 Aranel_: the directory where that is located Oct 25 18:42:17 rantom: cool, need to check then Oct 25 18:42:21 pr1.3 is a lie, give us pr1.4 already!!!! Oct 25 18:42:54 urgh Oct 25 18:42:55 rantom does it look better in portrait? or it's the same Oct 25 18:42:58 PR1.x are always lie may be we have to wait for PR2.x Oct 25 18:43:02 rantom: does not work for calendar Oct 25 18:43:02 wonder which PR1.x will have Ovi maps turn by turn Oct 25 18:43:08 qmlviewer doesn't work in scratchbox Oct 25 18:43:24 hi Oct 25 18:43:28 ovi maps donot have online accounts in maemo Oct 25 18:43:37 like in symbian Oct 25 18:43:47 the idiot's OS Oct 25 18:43:50 rokr1: what do you mean? Oct 25 18:43:52 not so nice Oct 25 18:43:55 ZogG: I'm not sure but IMO it's ok Oct 25 18:43:57 rokr1: online accounts? Oct 25 18:43:59 alterego already found sysroot? :D Oct 25 18:44:03 Though there's no way to type in portrait so Oct 25 18:44:09 ovi so that u can share location Oct 25 18:44:15 my phone says that I need "nokia pc suite" to update to pr 1.3 , so how can one update if he doesn't use windows? o.0 Oct 25 18:44:19 Also, Hildon Application-Manager seems to be fixed for portrait Oct 25 18:44:21 Hmm Oct 25 18:44:25 biertie: with flasher Oct 25 18:44:35 Although the background-image is duplicated Oct 25 18:44:36 wtf Oct 25 18:44:37 ~flashing Oct 25 18:44:37 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 25 18:44:39 not again -_- Oct 25 18:44:40 rantom: h-a-m should be removed Oct 25 18:44:45 hrw: True Oct 25 18:44:45 ~pr1.5 Oct 25 18:44:46 * infobot beats hrw with a Nostradamus papercopy 50.8 times. "That's your PR1.5!" Oct 25 18:44:50 ;d Oct 25 18:44:51 biertie: maybe you dont have enough space on rootfs Oct 25 18:45:28 biertie: you cant use OTA update unless you have required amount of space on rootfs Oct 25 18:45:28 l0up_: I don't think that's the issue, because I had that with the other release, but then he just told me that was the problem :) Oct 25 18:45:34 biertie: you need 47MB free on / Oct 25 18:45:57 I had 72 Mb Oct 25 18:45:59 biertie: i had the same notification and checked the rootfs space and it was 14 megs short Oct 25 18:46:03 No luck, had to re-flash 1.2 in Oct 25 18:46:40 biertie: and i also had to remove libgles1-sgx-img to get update Oct 25 18:46:44 l0up_: hrw: I still have 85MB free on my root fs Oct 25 18:46:57 rantom: if you have space and h-a-m complains then go to terminal and do "apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade" as a root Oct 25 18:46:59 Harri Hakulinen -> who is this guy Oct 25 18:47:19 i need to meet him with Maemo public interest Oct 25 18:47:31 i'm doing ota now, had 76.9mb at start Oct 25 18:47:33 dual boot eh Oct 25 18:47:45 hrw: I'll try to remember to do that the next time, thanks Oct 25 18:48:03 hrw: It was just easier this time around to re-flash the OS and do it from that Oct 25 18:48:10 rokr1: that line of text was blown out of proportion, you expected PR1.3 to install meego too? :P Oct 25 18:48:23 heh i tried doing it with fapman, that crashed but it kept updating. used all 48m of rootfs. definitely not installed right. Oct 25 18:48:27 I unfortunately lost all my applications but fortunately got also rid of those, that I didn't really need :D Oct 25 18:48:35 rantom: I do not have time to reinstall all apps and re-add all hacks which I have in rootfs Oct 25 18:48:55 I do Oct 25 18:49:03 I'm unemployed Oct 25 18:49:04 :) Oct 25 18:49:10 heh, i love that one of the bugs fixed is "incorrect grammar" Oct 25 18:49:12 shame Oct 25 18:49:39 * javispedro 's going to love tmo's "How do I dualboot this PR1.3 meego?" thread. Oct 25 18:49:39 not enough space to upgrade Oct 25 18:49:45 uninstall few apps Oct 25 18:49:46 * javispedro grabs popcorn while waiting for tmo to load Oct 25 18:51:22 javis: the right answer is "you don't"? Oct 25 18:51:40 just keep pressing refresh Oct 25 18:51:41 RST38h: exactly. And it's gonna make some lemmings quite angry. Oct 25 18:51:46 in fact, open several windows and do it Oct 25 18:51:47 yeah Oct 25 18:52:11 the nokiablog guy who made the claim is gonna receive a lot of angry comments/mail Oct 25 18:52:20 is it abt rootfs ?? Oct 25 18:52:24 RST38h: see a few lines above in the backlog for the first one Oct 25 18:52:32 the reason why i cant upgrade ?? Oct 25 18:53:28 Damn Oct 25 18:53:50 The e-mail-app doesn't work with the continuous CTRL+Shift+R Oct 25 18:54:06 bad for u Oct 25 18:54:06 Meaning : you'll have to reapply it every time you open the app Oct 25 18:54:41 how do i get the install to continue, it's just listed everything as "to be installed" Oct 25 18:54:47 * trumee doesnt care about portrait mode Oct 25 18:55:07 How can I clear my home directory? Oct 25 18:55:28 pyther: flash the vanilla emmc firmware Oct 25 18:56:21 Conversations does work and I think that's it :D Oct 25 18:56:27 Oh well Oct 25 18:56:39 I'm probably due a reflash, haven't nuked the lot since I got my n900 :> Oct 25 18:56:54 Oh, and Contacts does work Oct 25 18:57:07 No need for MyContacts for that matter then, heh Oct 25 18:57:30 Ovi Suite rocks the house. Oct 25 18:57:31 rantom: just out of curiosoty what does it work on contacts that didn't before? Oct 25 18:57:40 I'd rather like it to be faster. Oct 25 18:58:08 fcrochik: I mean, that if you press the Ctrl+Shift+R you'll get the portrait-mode on Oct 25 18:58:27 fcrochik: On PR 1.2 it was only for that time, when the app was on, otherwise you'd have to reapply it Oct 25 18:58:47 fcrochik: Now, with PR 1.3, you don't have to reapply it, although I think reboot removes it Oct 25 18:58:52 What is the package name for the base maemo system? Oct 25 18:58:55 rantom: nice spot on the portrait conversations app. doesn't seem to persist for email though. which is annoying Oct 25 18:59:14 scoobertron: There's a patch for that :) Oct 25 18:59:20 heheh Oct 25 18:59:36 * wmarone watches the media player do weird things inportrait mode Oct 25 18:59:38 Sadly though tmo is offline so you can't download it from there. MohammadAG has made a patch for it Oct 25 18:59:48 Also, for the Settings as well Oct 25 18:59:54 biertie resolve problems you get Oct 25 18:59:59 ios: “there's an app for that”, maemo: “there's a patch for that” Oct 25 19:00:00 :) Oct 25 19:00:05 Yep Oct 25 19:00:09 hmm? Oct 25 19:00:20 trumee: alrigt, I'll give it a go Oct 25 19:00:26 which types of files is stored in rootfs Oct 25 19:00:28 ?? Oct 25 19:00:30 ahh great, mobile hotspot needed just kernel-power reinstall and all is well again w/ 1.3 Oct 25 19:00:33 MohammadAG: Nah, just talking about the patch you made for the e-mail app and System Oct 25 19:00:33 corsac: you mean "there's a NOFIX for that" Oct 25 19:00:35 i want to clear those Oct 25 19:00:49 maybeWTF: there's a “fixed in harmattan” for that! Oct 25 19:00:52 Err, I mean _Settings_ Oct 25 19:01:32 ah Oct 25 19:01:45 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/portrait/ Oct 25 19:01:47 afaik Oct 25 19:01:48 Well it's basically this : Maemo 5 : there's an OS to that (MeeGo) Oct 25 19:01:55 rantom: is it complicated to install the patch? Oct 25 19:02:04 not if you're on 1.2 Oct 25 19:02:12 rantom: there is not Oct 25 19:02:30 Corsac: and by that you mean "just pay us another $550 when the new device comes out at some indefinite point for the fix!" Oct 25 19:02:31 :P Oct 25 19:02:44 MohammadAG: So it doesn't work with 1.3? Oct 25 19:02:49 Oh, tmo is up Oct 25 19:03:02 quick, everyone reload and take it back down Oct 25 19:03:04 but for how long! Oct 25 19:03:07 :D Oct 25 19:03:10 5 mins, tops Oct 25 19:03:17 anyone who uses mugen battery? Oct 25 19:03:37 rantom, it does, it will break the metapackage though Oct 25 19:03:50 So not recommended, I assume Oct 25 19:04:30 ah, here comes the cherry sms Oct 25 19:04:37 looks like Stskeeps gave a nice and precise answer to the "how do i dual-boot?" thread Oct 25 19:04:37 well, I suppose there isn't a PR1.4, so it shouldn't matter Oct 25 19:04:55 oh dear, i forgot to check back in there.. Oct 25 19:05:03 ieatlint: he's a karma whore, after all *clicks thanks link* Oct 25 19:05:13 hehe Oct 25 19:05:26 just wait for the requests to push out the u-boot package now Oct 25 19:05:33 Sts, you old dirty karma whore... =) Oct 25 19:06:34 :P Oct 25 19:06:40 * Noobmonk3y stares at Stskeeps Oct 25 19:06:47 * Noobmonk3y stares at some bacon.... Oct 25 19:06:51 mm bacon Oct 25 19:06:51 * Noobmonk3y still prefers bacon Oct 25 19:06:53 i had bacon today. Oct 25 19:06:55 hehehe Oct 25 19:06:56 oooh, bacon Oct 25 19:06:59 * Noobmonk3y just had bacon :) Oct 25 19:07:00 RST38h, at least he admits it, HA! :P Oct 25 19:07:06 * javispedro stares at his account balance after having to send the cherry sms again Oct 25 19:07:19 Hey,I have no problems admiting I am an old dirty karma whore =) Oct 25 19:07:36 Not that it were particularly true but anyways Oct 25 19:07:47 ffs this upgrade is takin a while Oct 25 19:07:54 well, that raped my battery, but otherwise a successful update :) Oct 25 19:08:03 ah, freshly flashed n900. smells like new! Oct 25 19:08:35 javispedro: the old fashioned apt-get way seems to work too, so far Oct 25 19:08:41 ieatlint: how long for the actual install? Oct 25 19:08:47 ooooh.... email client is much faster Oct 25 19:08:56 http://gitorious.org/hildon-portrait-keyboard gah, still no activity considering the development Oct 25 19:08:59 Dammit Oct 25 19:09:00 uh, including the backup, about an hour Oct 25 19:09:07 ignoring the backup lol Oct 25 19:09:16 the install is sitting there on about 2% for me :P Oct 25 19:09:25 err, no, wait, 45min Oct 25 19:09:32 30min for the update, and about 15 for the backup Oct 25 19:09:51 and that included the download OTA on 3g Oct 25 19:09:58 how much rootfs space is enough for update Oct 25 19:10:04 oh ok!, well i'm using wifi Oct 25 19:10:07 so should be ok Oct 25 19:10:14 it seems like i need a lot space Oct 25 19:10:18 rokr1: 73mb is not enough, 80 is lol Oct 25 19:10:27 BACOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON Oct 25 19:10:36 A handwriting recognition him plugin would be more fun Oct 25 19:10:37 morning kerio ;) Oct 25 19:10:43 for update noobmonk3y Oct 25 19:10:47 yup rokr1 Oct 25 19:10:50 Someone even got it running, just not stable enough Oct 25 19:10:50 but nice one Oct 25 19:10:59 it ultimately dropped my rootfs free space by about 4.7mb Oct 25 19:11:13 oh no Oct 25 19:11:13 just removed all then still had to symlink something to get enough room, with all barr one catalogue disabled!! Oct 25 19:11:26 but tbh........... my backup was taken before, so doesnt bother me Oct 25 19:11:33 rokr1: i just did it with 76.9mb free... don't know what the minimum is Oct 25 19:11:33 noob u not kidding rite ?? Oct 25 19:11:34 will just reinstall it Oct 25 19:11:38 nope rokr1 Oct 25 19:11:45 spent the last 1.5hrs uninstalling Oct 25 19:11:45 lol Oct 25 19:11:56 nice Oct 25 19:11:59 brb grill to clean whilst it installs :)P Oct 25 19:12:19 then wats ****** OTA for ?? Oct 25 19:12:20 * RST38h installed, upgrading third party packages now Oct 25 19:12:33 have not rebooted yet, so may well end up with a brick Oct 25 19:12:33 what is restore application in app namager? Oct 25 19:12:39 manager* Oct 25 19:13:05 RST38h, hope you suffer as i did =) Oct 25 19:13:36 so cheerful :) Oct 25 19:14:00 Damn Oct 25 19:14:06 MeeGo Forums are down too Oct 25 19:15:37 I do not see it flash a new kernel, is it ok? Oct 25 19:16:16 okey, this probably is a silly question ;) but with the forums down and the wiki not saying anything, What does the update do, Bugfixes yes, but is there a changelog somewhere, or anything like that? Oct 25 19:16:34 is there a way to offline flash pr 1.3 without overwriting existing stuff? Oct 25 19:16:47 RST38h i don't think it has new kernel Oct 25 19:17:23 redeeman, yes and no, flash offline but you need to install all apps from begining after that Oct 25 19:17:30 use backup manager for that Oct 25 19:17:43 ZogG ah ok Oct 25 19:17:47 i installed with power kernel ... no issues, although i haven't actually checked if power kernel is still there Oct 25 19:17:50 the backup tool on the phone or on some flash tool? Oct 25 19:17:53 So, mine seemsto have installed PR1.3 Oct 25 19:18:01 redeeman phone Oct 25 19:18:08 RST38h, mine too Oct 25 19:18:13 that backs up applications? Oct 25 19:18:20 RST38h, but flashed - now all apps =( Oct 25 19:18:22 woo.. me too! Oct 25 19:18:30 redeeman: no Oct 25 19:18:33 redeeman list of applications and configs Oct 25 19:18:36 it backs up a list of installed application Oct 25 19:18:44 which you can then in theory re-install from the repos Oct 25 19:19:15 i see Oct 25 19:19:35 i wanted to do OTA, but my wifi is broken Oct 25 19:19:47 i did it over 3g Oct 25 19:19:50 here i have no space Oct 25 19:19:57 87mb download... on 3g it took little time Oct 25 19:19:59 redeeman steel from neighbours Oct 25 19:20:01 that appears broken too Oct 25 19:20:08 ZogG: nono, on the phone Oct 25 19:20:23 Flash gone smooth,Wow,Not lost any music/video,Not lost any backups so not lost conversation,app list and..,OMG,what a nice flash XD Oct 25 19:20:31 and the good part is its fixed :D Oct 25 19:20:48 Try accessing your wifi hotspots :P Oct 25 19:20:53 I lost my wifi hotspots .. Oct 25 19:21:06 to install the PR1.3 to a bricked device which has the default firmware, do I need to follow special steps or just flash the latest EMMC and then the PR1.3? Oct 25 19:21:27 guille_: yes exactly Oct 25 19:21:29 eMMC reflash will wipe MyDocs Oct 25 19:21:33 There's nothing special about a bricked Oct 25 19:21:33 hah, the led turns red now when you use the front camera Oct 25 19:21:39 "bricked" .. Oct 25 19:22:43 alterego: yep, it was just in case Oct 25 19:22:45 thanks Oct 25 19:24:54 a suggestion: when you upgrade your sdk, disable extras-devel there too. Oct 25 19:26:03 javispedro, why? Oct 25 19:26:13 is there a way i can flash only the kernel? Oct 25 19:26:24 yes Oct 25 19:27:40 MohammadAG: for example the ttf broken stuff that... uh Oct 25 19:27:55 * javispedro notes that.. Oct 25 19:28:03 javispedro, oh, my upgrade went fine :) Oct 25 19:28:08 ohno. oh no. Oct 25 19:28:32 today is 2010-10-25 ? Oct 25 19:28:44 no, 25-10-2010 :P Oct 25 19:29:02 so we get to keep the _borked_ sdlttf in tools repo? Oct 25 19:29:05 also my progress bar appears to go all jumpy when i start the device, but im not on pr 1.3 yet Oct 25 19:29:13 this seemed to happen same time as my wifi breaking Oct 25 19:29:14 is there a way i can flash only the kernel? // it's all in flashing wiki on maemo, but anyway kernel flash wouldn't get you pr1.3 Oct 25 19:29:16 i cant go onto 3g either Oct 25 19:29:22 javispedro, we get to keep a lot of borked stuff Oct 25 19:29:26 Upgraded just fine! Hurrrraaah Oct 25 19:29:43 ZogG: i know, its just that i would like to try reflash my kernel to fix wifi, even though i seriously doubt its gonna work Oct 25 19:29:55 * MohammadAG wants his old laptop HDD back, grr Oct 25 19:30:17 javispedro,Mohammad: Have you noticed anything diffeent though? So far it feels exactly like the previous version Oct 25 19:30:56 nah, it has a bug or two more Oct 25 19:31:30 Meanwhile: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/25/symbian-foundation-winding-down-operations/ Oct 25 19:32:05 the only thing i've noticed that's new that isn't a fixed bug is the red led when the front camera is turned on Oct 25 19:32:23 and we waited 6 months for that? Oct 25 19:32:50 * MohammadAG noticed modest has zoom, not sure if that was there before Oct 25 19:32:58 my bluetooth also disappeared Oct 25 19:32:59 this update is for MEEMO Oct 25 19:33:05 seriooooooooously Oct 25 19:33:07 to duel boot with n900 Oct 25 19:33:09 is the bluetooth/wifi on same physical transciever? Oct 25 19:33:19 do all libqtm libs really need to be in user/*? Oct 25 19:33:24 duel boot? wohey! Oct 25 19:33:26 meemo, hybrid maemo/meego? Oct 25 19:33:36 lol wtf washed the grill and kitchen and update still only at 25% lol! Oct 25 19:34:10 ya Oct 25 19:34:11 lolloo: pr1.3 doesn't add that functionality Oct 25 19:34:17 it does Oct 25 19:34:24 it adds multiboot support Oct 25 19:34:25 i love fapman, going to install 87 apps in one go. brilliant! Oct 25 19:34:26 for meego Oct 25 19:34:34 is it a fight with swords duel, or fight with muskets duel? Oct 25 19:34:36 i don't believe it installed a new u-boot Oct 25 19:34:36 lolloo: multiboot support! I will be able to boot GRUB? Oct 25 19:34:54 it is made specially for Meego, Oct 25 19:34:55 and a new u-boot is 99% of what is needed to enable multi-boot Oct 25 19:35:01 dunno about other things Oct 25 19:35:15 lolloo, yes. Oct 25 19:35:16 seems that browser was definitely improved, esp. portrait mode Oct 25 19:35:22 lolloo, PS3s, too. Oct 25 19:35:26 * MohammadAG loves how BS spreads fast Oct 25 19:35:32 Arkenoi: they enabled reflow? Oct 25 19:35:34 am upgrading to 1.3 just for Meego Oct 25 19:35:39 RST38h: you have to ask, really? Oct 25 19:35:39 RST38h, no, ha ha Oct 25 19:36:02 javispedro: Yes, because I am such a morbid kind of guy Oct 25 19:36:10 lolloo, I heard PR1.4 will BE MeeGo. Oct 25 19:36:31 omg dunno about that Oct 25 19:36:31 and I heard that by PR1.77 they will start following user/* packaging rules properly!! Oct 25 19:36:47 javispedro, liar. Oct 25 19:36:56 * RST38h has heard PR1.5 will be Android Oct 25 19:36:57 go meego website Oct 25 19:37:06 * Noobmonk3y grumbles Oct 25 19:37:12 * MohammadAG heard PR2.0 will be able to divide by zero! Oct 25 19:37:16 RST38h, will it have a stupid pastry name? Oct 25 19:37:17 I was hoping for a python update Oct 25 19:37:24 MohammadAG: nice! Oct 25 19:37:36 GAN900: Yes. It will be named Shitcake. Oct 25 19:37:43 mwahah Oct 25 19:37:46 LOL Oct 25 19:37:47 Just to add insult to the injury you know Oct 25 19:37:54 But I also want the Meego dualboot possibility when it comes about Oct 25 19:38:00 ~pr1.3 Oct 25 19:38:04 methinks pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt Oct 25 19:38:04 :P Oct 25 19:38:08 ~pr1.4 Oct 25 19:38:08 PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject Oct 25 19:38:11 But isn't PR1.3 supposed to bring changes to bootloader or method in order to accomodate official Meego dual-booting? Oct 25 19:38:17 wait what? Oct 25 19:38:22 ~pr1.5 Oct 25 19:38:22 pr1.3 came out? Oct 25 19:38:23 lolloo , when uboot is available yes Oct 25 19:38:24 * infobot beats rst38h with a Nostradamus papercopy 26.4 times. "That's your PR1.5!" Oct 25 19:38:24 ;) Oct 25 19:38:30 bcmm yes Oct 25 19:38:31 lolloo, atm, no Oct 25 19:38:33 ~pr1.6 Oct 25 19:38:34 hmm... pr1.6 is the future man! Oct 25 19:38:36 ok Oct 25 19:38:36 BCMM: yes Oct 25 19:38:37 LOL Oct 25 19:38:40 ~pr1.7 Oct 25 19:38:43 did we get flash 10? Oct 25 19:38:50 no, duh Oct 25 19:38:51 aha, it does not know of pr1.7 Oct 25 19:38:52 rst38h: nope, but it looks better somehow. actually there was some poor man's reflow activated by some obscure hotkey, but it did not work always Oct 25 19:39:00 what does pr stand for anyway? Oct 25 19:39:01 lolloo, I think it's about kexec Oct 25 19:39:02 Arkenoi: correction Oct 25 19:39:11 Arkenoi: It is not poor man, it is a pretty decent reflow Oct 25 19:39:14 BCMM: Poodle Reduction Oct 25 19:39:20 Arkenoi: Activated with Ctrl+Shift+I Oct 25 19:39:22 public release? point release? Oct 25 19:39:23 everytime you install it, it kills a poodle Oct 25 19:39:48 * RST38h catches and reduces a poodle, with extreme prejudice Oct 25 19:39:49 RST38h, yep, but sometimes it just stops working and that's all :-( Oct 25 19:39:57 Arkenoi: Correction Oct 25 19:40:07 Arkenoi: Not sometimes but every time you open a new window :) Oct 25 19:40:11 what's "Ovi Suite" Oct 25 19:40:20 * dreamer update to pr1.3 Oct 25 19:40:24 fingers crosed :D Oct 25 19:40:27 Arkenoi: (and yes, it sucks, considering that all they had to do was add a setting for it) Oct 25 19:40:30 well I am still restoring the apps.... Oct 25 19:40:32 * javispedro updates to Shitcake Oct 25 19:40:35 awww, my new Nokia sponsored nailpolish is a bit shite Oct 25 19:40:36 for ~40m now Oct 25 19:40:38 btw Oct 25 19:40:47 with each PR, there used to be an update for widgets Oct 25 19:40:56 Myrtti: Is it BLUE? Oct 25 19:41:18 RST38h: no, but I've got enough moneys on the gift certificate left to buy blue! Oct 25 19:41:34 ~flashing Oct 25 19:41:35 flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 25 19:41:43 umm.. guys.. how long does this update take to install? Oct 25 19:41:47 http://maemoteam.wordpress.com/2010/10/25/pr1-3-just-released-now-with-qt4-7-and-qt-mobility/ Oct 25 19:41:51 so what does the "slowly but surely" bit mean? Oct 25 19:41:54 can anyone explain? Oct 25 19:41:57 flashing: 10m tops Oct 25 19:42:01 Meego is supported Oct 25 19:42:05 restoring your apps: timeless :D Oct 25 19:42:09 ? Oct 25 19:42:19 k, thx Oct 25 19:42:20 ..and it still takes several seconds for any Qt program to start :-/ Oct 25 19:42:46 modest client is quite quick with NM in PR1.3 Oct 25 19:43:01 lolloo: no, it says that it now has the same version of Qt as meego 1.1 will have, making porting stuff easy Oct 25 19:43:06 haaaaaaaaargh argh arhg Oct 25 19:43:15 bah. Oct 25 19:43:15 trumee: "NM"? Oct 25 19:43:17 Myrtti: ...and an N8! =) Oct 25 19:43:18 hahaha thanks BCMM Oct 25 19:43:27 ^easier, rather Oct 25 19:43:30 BCMM: nokia messaging ? Oct 25 19:43:44 ah Oct 25 19:43:55 so is there a changelog somewhere? Oct 25 19:44:06 is QT important? Oct 25 19:44:13 no there isnt BCMM Oct 25 19:44:16 sorry Oct 25 19:44:20 RST38h: I wish Oct 25 19:44:20 nah, qt is a minor lib Oct 25 19:44:38 ~pr1.3 Oct 25 19:44:38 i heard pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt Oct 25 19:44:39 lolloo: it's "Qt" ("QT" mean QuickTime) Oct 25 19:44:44 release notes Oct 25 19:45:01 MohammadAG: ain't that for the SDK? Oct 25 19:45:07 yes Oct 25 19:45:15 POP3 still takes forever to update in this PR Oct 25 19:45:17 meh Oct 25 19:45:24 RST38h, who uses POP :P Oct 25 19:45:26 i think qt-mobility 1.0.2 was actually available for pr1.2, heh Oct 25 19:45:26 so, you get each package's new version number and manually see each package's debian/changelog Oct 25 19:45:29 MohammadAG: me. Oct 25 19:45:32 lolloo: Qt is a cross-platform framework for C++ Oct 25 19:45:50 lolloo: amongst other things, it's a way of making graphical applications Oct 25 19:46:18 overclock pr1.3 omg!! Oct 25 19:46:24 HAMseems to be a bit faster now Oct 25 19:46:41 And not that bad to the rest of the system, although this will only show after 7 days or so Oct 25 19:46:56 lolloo: Qt is slowly replacing GTK+ as the standard GUI toolkit for maemo Oct 25 19:47:15 wohoooooooooooooooooo ... still installing Oct 25 19:47:21 Odd. Oct 25 19:47:26 Still no OTA. Oct 25 19:47:34 speed, where are you ? Oct 25 19:47:44 awesome info thanks alot BCMM Oct 25 19:47:47 Scotland. Oct 25 19:47:56 vodafine uk? Oct 25 19:47:59 vodafone! Oct 25 19:47:59 Though for IP-location purposes - england. Oct 25 19:48:01 no. Oct 25 19:48:03 lol freudian slip Oct 25 19:48:04 I'm having an issue upgrading  libgsf-1, would that be a problem? apparently it is "The GNOME Structured File Library (GSF) is an I/O abstraction for reading/writing compound files." as per http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/libgsf-1/1.14.18-3/ Oct 25 19:48:09 I guess N900 needs a good gaphical interface Oct 25 19:48:10 hmm me is england Oct 25 19:48:11 * javispedro does apt-get update inside DIABLO scratchbox... no luck. Oct 25 19:48:13 I bought outright. Oct 25 19:48:16 (as part of pr1.3) Oct 25 19:48:19 generic firmware Oct 25 19:48:31 but took me a few hours to uninstall apps etc to get the ota Oct 25 19:48:37 I do have a vodaphone SIM 1m from the phone, but I don't think that would affect it. :) Oct 25 19:48:48 what firmware though? Oct 25 19:48:59 erm, it may do speed Oct 25 19:49:08 people are pointing out it does look kinda blocked Oct 25 19:49:13 theres a thread on it at the mo Oct 25 19:49:18 javispedro: optimist Oct 25 19:49:18 i'm voda, but using wireless Oct 25 19:49:20 libgsf-1 fails on step: Optifying usr/share/doc/libgsf-1 -> /opt/maemo/usr/share/doc/libgsf-1 Oct 25 19:49:31 so is this going to wipe out installed apps again? Oct 25 19:49:41 bcmm - yes and it kills all hamsters Oct 25 19:49:50 Noobmonk3y: the SIM is not installed in the phone, and i'm connected through plusnet Oct 25 19:50:01 oh, randomness Oct 25 19:51:08 and it still takes FOUR taps to get to your inbox in Modest and no one sees any problem in that Oct 25 19:51:34 :q Oct 25 19:52:01 BTW how do I make app menu scroll faster in PR1.3 hildon-desktop? Oct 25 19:52:05 oh ffs, at this rate the install will finish some time near 1am Oct 25 19:52:07 is there a setting? Oct 25 19:52:13 hm, the only bug fix I mildly care about in PR 1.3 is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8394 Oct 25 19:52:15 Bug 8394: apostrophe (') in title gets translated to &pos; for Flickr Oct 25 19:55:29 * Aranel noticed that 59 Megabytes of free rootfs is enough. No need to free up 80~ megabytes, but definitely need 50+ Oct 25 19:55:53 I had 100+ free Oct 25 19:56:04 When I handed in my N900 for repairs 2.5 weeks ago :( Oct 25 19:56:25 I admire you :P I've moved everything to free up space, microb, locales and lots of other system apps Oct 25 19:56:31 and It's still 59. Oct 25 19:56:31 haven't you already had to repair it? Oct 25 19:56:39 i did it with 48 Oct 25 19:56:51 RST38h, it's still on the first trip to repair Oct 25 19:56:55 Aranel: 73 is not enough, i had to get just over 80 Oct 25 19:56:56 meh Oct 25 19:56:56 oh Oct 25 19:56:56 just apt-get upgrade -f after it fails to install half of everything :| Oct 25 19:57:06 * RST38h installed with 65MB Oct 25 19:57:09 (i started at 36mb free! - took a while!) Oct 25 19:57:12 hm.. Oct 25 19:57:15 hm.. Oct 25 19:57:21 n900-fmrx-enabler?? Oct 25 19:57:21 it works ok if you apt-get install Oct 25 19:57:57 * Noobmonk3y is up to the 'a' in 'Updating' about 25%?! Oct 25 19:58:00 Noobmonk3y: and it worked? Oct 25 19:58:08 well its installing! Oct 25 19:58:15 has been for over an hour Oct 25 19:58:16 javispedro, saw that too. Oct 25 19:58:16 wow. Oct 25 19:58:18 n900-fmrx-enabler is now in the base image. I guess some qt mobilility thingie? Oct 25 19:58:32 (previously it was part of fmradio...) Oct 25 19:58:33 Listed under Ovi Software. Oct 25 19:58:54 I wonder If my rootfs is corrupt or something, I've removed lots of apps, moved/symlinked everything I found and It's still 50 free. Oct 25 19:58:59 it's not bad that they sometimes "standarize" on community-made stuff. Oct 25 19:59:13 if the "official" ovi fm radio player uses it... the better. Oct 25 19:59:44 Arkenoi: yes four taps to reach email is horrible Oct 25 19:59:53 my only gripe... did it also have to be user/*????? Oct 25 19:59:56 * javispedro sighs Oct 25 20:00:04 javispedro: I was going to ask you but got disconnected; you said that there's a folder above com.ea.foo, what's the name of that folder? Oct 25 20:00:15 is the sdk update to build againt PR 1.3? Oct 25 20:00:24 Aranel: "applications". Oct 25 20:00:44 huh, i'm wondering if the qtm-location update has changed the default location type from satellite to other... with things like ovi maps, i can lock on gps in under 10s, but qtm-location/qgeosource i can only get the cell tower approx with a 4km accuracy Oct 25 20:00:54 javispedro: thanks =) Now I'm going to copy it to my N900. Oct 25 20:01:29 javispedro: btw I'm pretty sure that you already know that but you don't mention it because it's not perfectly legal, anyway: you don't need a Pre to get those files. Oct 25 20:01:45 javispedro: I think adding this information to thread might be useful. Oct 25 20:01:53 Hi all Oct 25 20:02:13 Aranel: so, how are you buying the games without a Pre? Oct 25 20:02:26 I don't have PR1.3 in OTA but... can I upgrade if I apt-get dist-upgrade? ;) Oct 25 20:03:10 dont do that Oct 25 20:03:20 RST38h: tbh, HAM seems more slower than even. It's taking me a while to remove all the cruft. Oct 25 20:03:24 *ever Oct 25 20:03:29 u may brick u r phone Oct 25 20:03:41 woohooo 30% updated Oct 25 20:03:41 javispedro: well.. *I'm caught :p* maybe you can buy the game, then download .ipk from official repos (if it's not possible, pirating is the only way :|) and uncompress it. Oct 25 20:03:42 so, better wait or manually flash? Oct 25 20:03:53 use flasher Oct 25 20:03:57 k Oct 25 20:04:12 javispedro: It's not perfectly legal but It's better than nothing, worth mentioning i think. Oct 25 20:04:15 or just uninstall all the apps if u can and then do a OTA update Oct 25 20:04:31 Aranel: if you find a way of buying them without owning a Pre, do tell. Oct 25 20:04:33 OTA update is not available in my location yet Oct 25 20:04:57 I will make a backup, flash and restore ;) Oct 25 20:04:59 lol in finland Oct 25 20:05:05 ironically, yes Oct 25 20:05:09 NOKIA NOKIA Oct 25 20:05:09 :) Oct 25 20:05:29 if it came after 16h, everyone was home already :D Oct 25 20:05:32 look properly Oct 25 20:05:39 try to do it again Oct 25 20:05:59 javispedro: dunno if it's possible. Maybe It's possible to trick Pre Store, I'm not sure. Oct 25 20:06:12 is OTA available over wifi? Oct 25 20:06:18 or should i stick a SIM in? Oct 25 20:06:19 chx: yes. Oct 25 20:06:23 chx: yes Oct 25 20:06:37 checking my catalogues to be 300% sure Oct 25 20:06:41 yes to SIM? Oct 25 20:06:47 anyone here got it in Finland? Oct 25 20:06:51 chx: yes to wifi. Oct 25 20:06:54 ah Oct 25 20:06:57 chx: you don't need a SIM. Any means of IP connectivity Oct 25 20:07:08 try over vpn Oct 25 20:07:51 * chx opens his crate of carrier grade pigeons. Oct 25 20:08:08 ..."Checking for updates"... Oct 25 20:08:28 How do you guys handle the rootfs problem? Don't you install non-optified apps, or do you create new partitions, or just symlinking? Oct 25 20:08:53 ~flashing Oct 25 20:08:53 eh? rootfs has not been a problem in ages Oct 25 20:08:53 methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 25 20:08:57 hmhm, is there a changelog for 1.3? Oct 25 20:09:11 jaco2k just down load firmware from nokia's website Oct 25 20:09:13 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 is still empty Oct 25 20:09:21 i mean maemo's website Oct 25 20:09:22 how many apps you have installed if rootfs is a problem?? :D Oct 25 20:09:25 Jaco2k: It's a huge problem for me. It's always low. Oct 25 20:09:30 all ofem Oct 25 20:10:05 rokr1: Ah! Thought you were talking about OTA! :) Yes, I know the firmware can be had from the website and that is where I was heading ;) Oct 25 20:10:06 Over a hundred plus some multiboot tricks (They use 10~ mb) Oct 25 20:10:26 i am preparing my phone for flashing Oct 25 20:10:39 there ain't much to prepare... :D Oct 25 20:10:44 make a backup Oct 25 20:10:45 flash Oct 25 20:10:48 its like doing a postmortem Oct 25 20:10:50 restore backup :D Oct 25 20:11:04 i am not worried abt apps Oct 25 20:11:09 but contacts Oct 25 20:11:18 backup keeps those also Oct 25 20:11:24 backup keeps everything Oct 25 20:11:24 i would advice the same Oct 25 20:11:38 every thing is waste Oct 25 20:11:50 just collect all ur contacts Oct 25 20:11:58 if u have a fast internet Oct 25 20:11:59 Contacts (just in case...) I always sync with Outlook Oct 25 20:12:21 anyone knows if we need to flash a new eMMC? Oct 25 20:12:29 or is it enough to flash Vanilla? Oct 25 20:12:52 Is that pr 1.3 i see in my maemo updates this morning? Oct 25 20:13:03 i dont know abt u but i am about to flash both Oct 25 20:13:27 because it seems its revised image Oct 25 20:13:43 may be optimized Oct 25 20:14:06 yeah Oct 25 20:14:09 I think the same Oct 25 20:14:18 ...one more thing to backup ;) Oct 25 20:14:28 ouch Oct 25 20:14:35 eMMC content 1.2009.41-1 Vs eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 Oct 25 20:14:36 25 mins to move all the stuff out! Oct 25 20:14:39 Are there any reasons an unbranded UK N900 wouldn't have its OTA 1.3 update showing? Could there be a package conflict? How could I find out? Oct 25 20:14:43 Anyone have a link to the firmware image off hand? Oct 25 20:14:45 flashing worked great for me aside from wiping out my whole contact DB! (whoops) Oct 25 20:15:13 yes Oct 25 20:15:14 oli Oct 25 20:15:15 hardaker: but of course you made a backup and now you can restore it, right? right? :) Oct 25 20:15:23 wtf is up w/ tmo today anyway? Oct 25 20:15:29 wohooooooooooo 35%! Oct 25 20:15:31 that's *after* restoring everything from a backup. Oct 25 20:15:32 I forgot to backup my mplayer binary Oct 25 20:15:42 ooooook... Oct 25 20:15:48 hmmmm Oct 25 20:15:50 hi guys after upgradging to 1.3 via image i do an restore backup then i do apt-get dist-upgrade and i see that quite a bit of packages are slotted for removal like ones that seem are system packages any ideas? Oct 25 20:15:50 (I'm restoring the communication and calendar again now while crossing my fingers. It's really hard to type with crossed fingers) Oct 25 20:15:53 come on pyther Oct 25 20:15:56 Oli```: me too! Oct 25 20:16:11 rokr1_: worse yet I think I got rid of the vm with sdk Oct 25 20:16:15 so I have to recompile that Oct 25 20:16:23 err.. reinstall that Oct 25 20:16:26 * Jaco2k makes a mental note: Make sure to sync with Outlook to preserve contacts. Just in case... Oct 25 20:16:37 its fine Oct 25 20:16:49 but thats the only way it seems Oct 25 20:16:57 cannot do a OTA Oct 25 20:17:07 so i need to flash Oct 25 20:17:08 oh dear, pr1.3 seems to be quite buggy here Oct 25 20:17:25 at least, everything is damned buggy Oct 25 20:17:29 eh, slow* Oct 25 20:17:30 good thing is that there is a new emmc version available Oct 25 20:17:48 and this is my first time to flash emmc Oct 25 20:17:54 same Oct 25 20:18:03 need to do some reading Oct 25 20:18:08 ya Oct 25 20:18:12 you flash it first or after=? Oct 25 20:18:14 thats wat i am doing Oct 25 20:18:15 how much does the pr1.3 upgrade require free space in root, or is there some other reason why it refuses to upgrade OTA? Oct 25 20:18:17 SpeedEvil: I guess I'll just try to forget about 1.3 for a few days and try again. I mean it's been 6-12 months for some of these bugs... I'm sure a few more days won't kill me. Oct 25 20:18:20 I have read conflicting Oct 25 20:18:33 Oli```: me too Oct 25 20:18:46 Trewas: Try to disable some catalogs/repos Oct 25 20:18:47 i read and compared flashing instructions for my E6 perfectly Oct 25 20:18:50 once Oct 25 20:18:55 wow, my n900 is completely unuseable now -_- (and ofcourse I did not make a backup ..) Oct 25 20:18:57 upon a time Oct 25 20:19:15 dreamer: Was it OTA? Oct 25 20:19:20 nice just flash firmware dreamer Oct 25 20:19:26 Jaco2k: OTA? Oct 25 20:19:43 I upgraded using the package manager btw Oct 25 20:19:44 Did you get a notification from App manager to update? ;) Oct 25 20:19:44 contents in the emmc will not be destroyed Oct 25 20:20:08 Jaco2k: already did, 72MB free in root and no good idea how to check which packages should be removed to make more free space there Oct 25 20:20:10 as i told earlier apt-get upgrade uh huh Oct 25 20:20:23 Jaco2k: I did an update then upgrade packages (actually using the 'faster application manager', which is still apt ofcourse) Oct 25 20:20:31 and maemo5 was available Oct 25 20:20:34 can it be the slowness is coming from the tracker indexer running? Oct 25 20:20:55 I guess you now have a shitload of conflicting packages Oct 25 20:20:59 I rebooted when it was done Oct 25 20:21:07 but, now I rebooted again and it seems ok Oct 25 20:21:23 yeah it's actually fine now .. weird stuff Oct 25 20:21:30 tracker indexer Oct 25 20:21:38 what's that Jaco2k ? Oct 25 20:21:44 it was probably re-indexing all your data Oct 25 20:21:50 carrier pigeons work. Oct 25 20:21:53 :p Oct 25 20:21:58 now downloading. Oct 25 20:22:31 now then... flasher in Linux or flasher in Windows? Decisions, decisions.. :D Oct 25 20:22:37 ssu Oct 25 20:22:44 go with linux Oct 25 20:22:52 1 st priority Oct 25 20:22:57 last time I did it with Windows and it went fine Oct 25 20:23:22 me too its my first time in linux Oct 25 20:23:23 actually, don't quote me on this, I think the Windows flasher is recommended over the Linux one.. .;) Oct 25 20:23:34 it's not Oct 25 20:23:38 it's same software Oct 25 20:23:44 for noobs ys Oct 25 20:24:00 hi all, question: i flashed rootfs without -R , then im trying to flash eMMC, but still 'device not found' .. what to do ? Oct 25 20:24:03 I would also think there is no difference Oct 25 20:24:05 i am a daring person Oct 25 20:24:08 So... is my phone going to run all iPhone and Android apps after this miraculous upgrade? Oct 25 20:24:10 * chx runs Oct 25 20:24:16 Well, if you're comparing flasher-3.5 to NSU... then I'd say flasher-3.5 wins anyday Oct 25 20:24:23 except in beginner friendliness ;p Oct 25 20:24:43 flasher is as basic as it comes :D Oct 25 20:24:44 cool vlty u have to flash emmc first then firmware Oct 25 20:25:06 I was going to say that NSU is pretty basic in what it does, flasher is more powerful ;) Oct 25 20:25:09 it doesn't matter Oct 25 20:25:10 or should had Oct 25 20:25:14 just don't reboot in between Oct 25 20:25:23 mmmm fast downloads++ Oct 25 20:25:29 jacekowski: Thanks for the tips Oct 25 20:25:53 really jace?? Oct 25 20:26:15 rokr1_: how to flash emmc first? i can't do that because still 'device not found' Oct 25 20:26:26 Jaco2k: what, like an updatedb? Oct 25 20:26:48 Eep, my N900 says Maemo update! Oct 25 20:26:50 jacekowski: i haven't reboot Oct 25 20:27:02 btw, anyone know why apt is keeping back libsdl-mixer1.2? Oct 25 20:27:15 vltR: Remove the battery, start the flasher and just push the battery in at the same time Oct 25 20:28:32 it says updating maemo 5 20 2010 36 2 0002 Oct 25 20:29:24 wat is r & d mode Oct 25 20:29:30 in flasher Oct 25 20:29:31 ?? Oct 25 20:29:45 to disable hardware watchdog ?? Oct 25 20:29:49 is the 'u' key the power button one? Oct 25 20:29:59 no Oct 25 20:30:06 nice one guille Oct 25 20:30:09 it is the "u" key :) Oct 25 20:30:32 haha ok ok Oct 25 20:30:58 "Duh... where is the 'any' key? I must press it..." :D Oct 25 20:31:43 dreamer: Did you get your contacts back? Oct 25 20:31:48 slide the keyboard Oct 25 20:32:13 and now he goes: "Oh! This has a HW keyboard also???" :D Oct 25 20:32:15 its like trouble shooting US grand mama Oct 25 20:32:18 Oh crap, it needs PC Suite? Am I stuffed on Linux? It also says it can't update due to some other package conflicting... Oct 25 20:32:37 thorbjorn: Join the flasher group ;) Oct 25 20:32:51 Jaco2k: Won't that erase my stuff? Oct 25 20:32:57 likely Oct 25 20:33:00 Correction FLASHERS LEAGUE Oct 25 20:33:10 but also a backup will likely bring it back Oct 25 20:33:17 although YMMV Oct 25 20:33:36 Jaco2k: yup, also the contacts I added after using this phone :P Oct 25 20:33:37 Maybe I'll wait until I'm at work and use a colleague's Windows machine. Oct 25 20:33:50 i am confused emmc 1st or firmware ?? Oct 25 20:34:01 egg or chicken ? Oct 25 20:34:11 even there is a solution for that Oct 25 20:34:18 dreamer: So and just to make it clear, you COULD restore your backup, right? Oct 25 20:34:35 rokr1_: As they said, I don't think it really matters Oct 25 20:34:36 Jaco2k: i did not have a backup Oct 25 20:34:41 * dreamer was bad Oct 25 20:35:02 * dreamer afk Oct 25 20:35:06 you are writing two different memory locations so... it doesn't really matter which order you do it on Oct 25 20:35:22 Anyone here happen to have experience with using flasher with "--local"? Oct 25 20:35:38 Now if somebody can tell me what is "PC Suite" and how to use it to upgrade Maemo Oct 25 20:35:52 In which Fedora repository I can find it? Oct 25 20:35:57 look at that, noob hour :) Oct 25 20:36:23 zap: PC Suite is Windows only IIRC Oct 25 20:36:26 sure, Nokia declared today as "noob day" Oct 25 20:36:28 zap: use flasher-3.5 Oct 25 20:36:31 coping my offline maps now Oct 25 20:36:38 what is "Windows"? I have two windows in my room, will it work? Oct 25 20:36:44 crashanddie: was that addressed at me? Oct 25 20:36:53 rokr1_: You use Nokia maps in N900? Oct 25 20:36:57 crashanddie: and if so, how can I get it? :) Oct 25 20:37:08 yes Oct 25 20:37:09 what are you? a masochist?? :D Oct 25 20:37:23 rokr1_: are you flashing the emmc image? Oct 25 20:37:30 why can't app manager just install the upgrade .deb without any kind of "windows"? Oct 25 20:37:40 about to y ? Oct 25 20:37:52 is there any advice Oct 25 20:37:53 ?? Oct 25 20:37:53 DocScrutinizer51, MohammadAG, Stskeeps, lcuk: Let's all work together to help out on a troublesome night, yes? Oct 25 20:37:54 I want to make a whole micro sd card into a chroot so I did a mkfs.ext3 on it, but it is not seen by the n900. What's the workaround'? Oct 25 20:38:04 crashanddie: what? Oct 25 20:38:05 mount it Oct 25 20:38:05 :P Oct 25 20:38:13 crashanddie, gf's bday? Oct 25 20:38:17 jpinx-eeepc: the default stuff won't mount 'wierd' FSs Oct 25 20:38:22 MohammadAG: went fine, bought her a nice watch Oct 25 20:38:24 cool Oct 25 20:38:32 why didn't I think of that... Oct 25 20:38:33 wat watch !!! Oct 25 20:38:47 rokr1_: well, I haven't checked the info about PR1.3, but usually you don't have to flash the emmc in order to upgrade the rootfs Oct 25 20:38:52 jpinx-eeepc: I recommend installing 'queen beecon' - then setting up a script that is run once on system start - to mount shizzle. Oct 25 20:39:05 crashanddie, not usually required Oct 25 20:39:09 SpeedEvil: is ext3 wierd? ;) Is there a way around this other than making a huge .img file ? Oct 25 20:39:14 main flash only Oct 25 20:39:20 lcuk: thanks for confirming Oct 25 20:39:27 backup first, do main flash, restore backup Oct 25 20:39:33 is the fiasco image ready on the servers? Oct 25 20:39:39 Not OTA-only anymore? Oct 25 20:39:40 jpinx-eeepc: wierd - as in not expected by the software designed to be used by windows users, and therefore expecting only *FAT Oct 25 20:39:43 (I'm just getting online) Oct 25 20:39:54 idk, they are being hammered at the moment, i am just heading for a shower tho Oct 25 20:40:00 k Oct 25 20:40:03 enjoy Oct 25 20:40:24 lcuk: btw, weather's shite over here, feels like doncaster or something. Oct 25 20:40:36 SpeedEvil: ok -- what do you mean by "mount shizzle" ? Oct 25 20:40:37 was frosty in birmingham on sunday morning Oct 25 20:40:58 wats the difference between eMMC content 1.2009.41-1 and eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 versions Oct 25 20:40:59 ? Oct 25 20:41:09 jpinx-eeepc: stuff that should happen near boot Oct 25 20:41:15 one is later than the other rokr1_ Oct 25 20:41:28 nice one lcik Oct 25 20:41:30 * SpeedEvil imagines lcuk with a waterproof keyboard. Oct 25 20:41:32 usually its maps Oct 25 20:41:41 i havent gone yet, i am wasting water Oct 25 20:41:58 SpeedEvil: why waterproof? He's just moving his N900 in bullet time to evade the droplets of water Oct 25 20:42:15 * SpeedEvil sighs. Oct 25 20:42:26 A writeable accelerometer would be so cool. Oct 25 20:42:49 SpeedEvil: ok - thanks - nfc about that Oct 25 20:42:57 * crashanddie points SpeedEvil to bluetooth-controlled pneumatic-pumps Oct 25 20:43:00 iphone as stethoscope Oct 25 20:43:02 hmm, so I must buy Windows in order to upgrade my Maemo5 firmware? Oct 25 20:43:10 SpeedEvil, hm? Oct 25 20:43:13 zap: please stop trolling, of course not. Oct 25 20:43:28 ~flashing Oct 25 20:43:29 i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 25 20:43:34 speedevil: i saw a movie once that had that. it also had a zero-inertia bubble of spacetime extending around the writable accelerometer Oct 25 20:43:36 zap: read the above Oct 25 20:43:50 Or four of http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15230 Oct 25 20:43:58 after an unfortunate Oct 25 20:44:04 blb Oct 25 20:44:07 bbl even Oct 25 20:44:16 Operating system successfully updated!! Oct 25 20:44:33 Does anyone have any knowledge about using the flasher whilst running on the device itself? Oct 25 20:44:34 ok, so I will lose all custom installed packages Oct 25 20:44:43 veeeery good update Oct 25 20:44:52 hmmmm Oct 25 20:45:03 I have it on NSU.... Oct 25 20:45:06 hmmmmmmmmmmm Oct 25 20:45:12 am I gonna regret this? :D Oct 25 20:45:17 zap if you cannot do ssu, yes - but using backup/restore will save the repo list and give opportunity to reinstall everything Oct 25 20:45:26 its main reason why I push people to make packages from hacks Oct 25 20:45:39 well, worse that can happen is I fall back to flasher if NSU borks it :) Oct 25 20:45:46 whoops_ apt-get dist-upgrade, the device does not boot, so the flashing. do I have any chance of get it working just installing the PR1.3? tl;dr are the packages +kernel "just" in the PR image? Oct 25 20:46:19 anyone here done it via NSU and had issues? Oct 25 20:46:29 dist-upgrade will work? Oct 25 20:46:32 NSU is a waste Oct 25 20:46:33 Jaco2k: define "NSU" Oct 25 20:46:35 zap: NO Oct 25 20:46:42 time consuming Oct 25 20:46:42 Nokia Software Update Oct 25 20:46:49 zap: the guy just told you that dist-upgrade failed, and you ask if it works? Oct 25 20:46:59 Hello! Oct 25 20:47:02 well, I don't know why it failed for him :) Oct 25 20:47:08 hello sjk Oct 25 20:47:11 zap: it'll fail for everyone Oct 25 20:47:12 meybe he don't have enough disk space Oct 25 20:47:15 ok :( Oct 25 20:47:27 and with PC Suite it will replace my packages anyway? Oct 25 20:47:33 guille_: try just the fiasco image first before emmc image Oct 25 20:47:44 NO ZAP Oct 25 20:47:55 zap: well, it will break symlinks, so yeah, you'll lose packages, but using the backup/restore functionnality will make that change only temporary Oct 25 20:48:18 zap: just backup, install, restore the backup, and you'll be a happy camper Oct 25 20:48:22 zap: now go troll tmo Oct 25 20:48:25 or /b/ Oct 25 20:48:36 I don't speak 4ch Oct 25 20:48:54 but I hate what I see Oct 25 20:49:16 yesterday I upgraded a computer from Fedora3 to Fedora13 without any "windows" and package loses Oct 25 20:49:21 Hi lads. I'm interested in purchasing a new mobile phone! I have used an iPhone for a while, and I'm quite happy with it, but I miss being able to code my own applications Oct 25 20:49:41 sjk: just download the SDK and code? Oct 25 20:49:42 I'm used to coding and C and a BSD (and some Linux) environment. I don't want to learn Objective-C or Java. Oct 25 20:49:49 Is Maemo something for me? Oct 25 20:49:52 sjk: ah, fair enough then Oct 25 20:50:01 sjk: well, you can run C code on Android as well Oct 25 20:50:18 sjk: we're posix and we're pretty much any language you want. Oct 25 20:50:19 crashanddie, yes, but they're telling me it's going to make things complicated, and that I need to wrap it in java Oct 25 20:50:33 sjk: it really depends what you expect from a phone. The n900 is starting to be pretty dated, and the future with regards to MeeGo is still quite uncertain Oct 25 20:50:36 *cough* QT *cough* Oct 25 20:51:04 sjk: on Maemo, you'll get a lot of people shoving Qt down your throat (C++), or PyQt (python + qt). It's annoying, but you get used to it Oct 25 20:51:11 sjk: see above for example Oct 25 20:51:12 right now right here, maemo is the awesomest linux-like phone there is Oct 25 20:51:17